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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) Subject: Re: Product of the Year (92) Message-ID: <1993Jan7.150751.7547@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Usenet) Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA References: <1993Jan7.141115.5652@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:07:51 GMT In article <1993Jan7.141115.5652@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) writes: > In article <1993Jan6.201433.9395@dvorak.amd.com> root@aunext1.amd.com > (Operator) writes: > > I'm officially casting my vote for S&G's > > book! If not the BEST product...certainly > > the most important (to me anyway). > > > > Ronald Pomeroy > > Advanced Micro Devices > > CAM Applications Group > > Austin, Texas > > rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com > I hope to pick up my copy of S&G today. Maybe I'll make it the product of > the year for 1994. For 1993, though, the top ones on my list are: > NeXTStep 3.0 (yes, bugs and all!) > Concurrence (used it for 3 seminars) > EquationBuilder (used it with TeXMenu, and with Concurrence) > DarkForest (It's useful, but more important, it cracks me up!) > -- I guess I meant to say S&G for 93, and the others for 92, since 94 isn't here yet, is it? [Let's see, how many times DID I go through that wormhole?] -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... .cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center .*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. .FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: emilia@natinst.com (Emilia Hezari) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: missing documentation in NS 3.0 Date: 7 Jan 1993 10:46:25 -0600 Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX Message-ID: <1ihmp1INNd0m@falcon.natinst.com> Keywords: missing online documentation 3.0 Some online documentation seems to be missing after the upgrade to NextStep 3.0. Under /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/OSSoftware/, 01_Mach, 02_Messages,and so on are empty. Does anyone have an explanation for this? Thanks a lot Emilia Hezari
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) Subject: Re: Kermit 5A(188) - 31 Dec 92 - available for ftp Message-ID: <C0Htw7.CCp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Keywords: kermit, ftp, cica Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: CICA - Center for Innovative Computer Applications References: <ntomczak.726387671@vega> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:00:07 GMT In article <ntomczak.726387671@vega> ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) writes: > >Thank to kind offer ot Todd Green the following archive > kermit.5a.188.tar.Z >was uploaded to ftp.cica.indiana.edu, directory pub/next/submissions. >It can be also reached by gopher via cica.cica.indiana.edu. >All attempts to put it on sonata.cc.purdue.edu or cs.orst.edu >so far miserably failed. If you will find some leftovers from >these tries - do not bother. The true archive is 442994 bytes >long. I've moved the file to /pub/next/3.0/bin/kermit.5a.188.tar.Z. I've also retar'd it so that it resides in its own directory (the new size is 443394 bytes). Finally the preferred method to reach the anonymous ftp server via gopher is through cica_gopher.cica.indiana.edu (which was just set up (as a DNS alias) this morning.) cica.cica might not always be the gopher server but cica_gopher is always guaranteed to point to the server. Happy ftp'ing, Todd --
From: hamm@mbcl.rutgers.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Garfinkel & Mahoney's book : please post ordering info Message-ID: <2131.2b4c0d0d@mbcl.rutgers.edu> Date: 7 Jan 93 14:59:25 GMT References: <C0DBLw.C8w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan5.082843.20911@news.media.mit.edu> <1993Jan6.000145.13689@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1993Jan6.224203.22313@news.media.mit.edu> Could someone please post the full title, publisher, ISBN, etc., for the book -- I'd like to order it. Thanks, Greg - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gregory H. Hamm || Phone: (908)932-4864 Director, Molecular Biology Computing Lab || FAX: (908)932-5735 Waksman Institute/CABM || BITNET: hamm@biovax P.O. Box 759, Rutgers University || Internet: hamm@mbcl.rutgers.edu Piscataway, NJ 08855 * USA || - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Please upload DarkForest (was: Re: Product of the Year (92)) References: <1993Jan7.141115.5652@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <C0Hz71.8r2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:54:35 GMT [Why did this have USA distribution on it?] Robert F. Cahalan writes > DarkForest (It's useful, but more important, it cracks me up!) Would someone please upload this program to the NeXT archive at sonata.cc.purdue.edu? Thanks, -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:04:03 CST From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93007.130403U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Garfinkel & Mahoney's book : please post ordering info References: <C0DBLw.C8w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan5.082843.20911@news.media.mit.edu> <1993Jan6.000145.13689@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1993Jan6.224203.22313@news.media.mit.edu> <2131.2b4c0d0d@mbcl.rutgers.edu> Hello - The full information for the Garfinkel/Mahoney book is: NeXTSTEP Programming Step One:Object-Oriented Applications Simson L. Garfinkel - Michael K. Mahoney ISBN 0-387-97884-4 Pub: Springer-Verlag (TELOS - The Electronic Library of Science) $39.95 Call Springer-Verlag to order: 1-800-SPRINGER 1-800-777.4643 __________ Tom Nawara ideaLabs U54876.uicvm.uic.edu
From: borchers@poogh.llnl.gov (Robert R. Borchers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CPU hog Keywords: atalkd, ssslllooowwwww Message-ID: <145366@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> Date: 7 Jan 93 19:26:07 GMT Sender: usenet@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV I had to reboot my machine this morning, cube running 3.0, and all of a sudden things are ssslllooowwwww!!!!!. NPERFMon says that System CPU usage is about 100 percent. ps says the culprit is atalkd. Does anyone know what is going on. I presume that atalkd is related to the abortive attempt in 3.0 to connect to appletalk, which I have turned on so I can use my Mac printer. Correct?? Bob -- Robert R. Borchers L-414 Livermore, Ca 94551 borchers@llnl.gov NeXTmail Welcome
From: roland@unixg.ubc.ca (Corinne H Roland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FAXing Date: 7 Jan 93 20:22:58 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <roland.726438178@unixg.ubc.ca> I am having some trouble with my Fax software! When I try to fax something I always get an error message saying that the fax software has failed and I should reboot my machine and try it over again. I am running 2.1. Has anyone else ever had this problem, if so what do you suggest I do? Thanks for any comments.
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: Product of the Year (92) Message-ID: <HARDY.93Jan7115209@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:07:51 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Distribution: usa References: <1993Jan7.141115.5652@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1993Jan7.150751.7547@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: 7 Jan 93 19:52:13 GMT In my opinion Tom Rokicki's TeX/TeXview which come with 3.0. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: billb@nasty (Bill Burcham) Subject: Re: Product of the Year (92) Message-ID: <1993Jan7.184053.11573@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <1993Jan7.150751.7547@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 18:40:53 GMT Speaking of Product of the Year -- did anyone else read the BYTE Awards this time?!? I think that every product that was either announced or upgraded by Microsoft this year won! There were exactly 0 NeXT or NeXT-related products. This bums me out. Microsoft is on the war-path with bits and pieces of technology that we take for granted on this platform, and here I sit waiting for the NeXTSTEP '486 and RISC ports. ARRRRRRGH!!!! -- +--------------------------------+----------------------------------+ | Bill Burcham | "Make no small plans; they have | | First National Bank of Chicago | no magic to stir men's souls" | | billb@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | Daniel J. Burnham | +--------------------------------+----------------------------------+
From: Alex Raftis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GraphicsWorkshop broken under 3.0? Message-ID: <1993Jan07.203354.158577@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 7 Jan 93 20:33:54 GMT References: <7256@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Douglas Scott writes >I have just noticed that GraphicsWorkshop, the viewer for gifs and jpeg files, >refuses to open any files under 3.0. The Open menu command does nothing, and >double-clicking on a .jpg file produces an error panel saying it cannot open >the file, but that there is no error. Is there a new version of this program? > >Thanks. You have an older version of GraphicsWorkshop. The version you are using would also not work on non-extended release versions of 2.1 and 2.2. You can get a working copying from sonata.cc.purdue.edu. It's been sitting around in the submissions directory since aroud July, when I uploaded it. Alex -- ______________________________________________________ Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: Garfinkel & Mahoney's book : please post ordering info Message-ID: <C0I4A0.H6I@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <C0DBLw.C8w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan5.082843.20911@news.media.mit.edu> <1993Jan6.000145.13689@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1993Jan6.224203.22313@news.media.mit.edu> <2131.2b4c0d0d@mbcl.rutgers.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:44:22 GMT In <2131.2b4c0d0d@mbcl.rutgers.edu> hamm@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes: >Could someone please post the full title, publisher, ISBN, etc., for >the book -- I'd like to order it. I just ordered it today. Here is the info: NeXTSTEP Programming -- STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Appcliations Simson L. Garfinkel and Michael K. Mahoney Hardbound, 664 pages, includes DOS diskette ISBN: 0-387-97884-4 I got this info from somebody else a while back but I forget who. My apologies to that person as well as a thank you. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca Unix Support Group (NeXT Mail Welcome) University of Manitoba Computer Services "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) Subject: Re: SoftPC (eject disc) Message-ID: <1993Jan7.180212.2847@boba.rhein-main.de> Sender: borris@boba.rhein-main.de Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing References: <1992Dec30.201547.21564@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:02:12 GMT In article <1992Dec30.201547.21564@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> andrew@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (Andrew Penn) writes: I have a floppy disc entombed in my Station running 3.0 curtesy of SoftPC 2.0. Can someone tell me how to get it out? Andrew Penn E-Mail: andrew@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca I tried to answer via email, but there must be something wrong with your adress. So let me answer on the pulbic way (it might be interesting to other, too!): ... try the following: 1 - detach floppy at SoftPC 2 - click at your browser 3 - choose disk - eject at the browser (nothing happens now!) 4 - click back at SoftPC (the disk now should be ejected) I know, it sounds a bit funny. And it sometimes is hard to do all these steps running a 'backup'-command in SoftPC over a lot of discs. But at my site it works! -Borris- -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.UQF,5QF M<W=I<W,@2&5L=F5T:6-A.WT*7&UA<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R M=&)L.UQR960P7&=R965N,%QB;'5E,#M]"EQP87)D7'1X,3$U,EQT>#(S,#1< M='@S-#4V7'1X-#8P.%QT>#4W-C!<='@V.3$R7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DR,39<='@Q M,#,V.%QT>#$Q-3(P7&8P7&(P7&DP7'5L;F]N95QF<S(T7&9C,%QC9C`@7`I< M"DEN(&%R=&EC;&4@/#$Y.3)$96,S,"XR,#$U-#<N,C$U-C1`:V%K=V$N=6-S M+G5A;&)E<G1A+F-A/B!A;F1R97=`=6%N975R;RYU86@N=6%L8F5R=&$N8V$@ M*$%N9')E=R!096YN*2!W<FET97,Z7`H*7'!A<F1<='@P7'1X,3$R,%QT>#(R M-#!<='@S,S8P7'1X-#0X,%QT>#4V,#!<='@V-S(P7'1X-S@T,%QT>#@Y-C!< M='@Q,#`X,%QT>#$Q,C`P7'1X,3(S,C!<='@Q,S0T,%QT>#$T-38P7'1X,34V M.#!<='@Q-C@P,%QT>#$W.3(P7'1X,3DP-#!<='@R,#$V,%QT>#(Q,C@P7&9C M,5QC9C$@7`H*7'!A<F1<='@U,C!<='@Q,#8P7'1X,38P,%QT>#(Q,C!<='@R M-C8P7'1X,S(P,%QT>#,W,C!<='@T,C8P7'1X-#@P,%QT>#4S,C!<9C%<9F,P M7&-F,"!)(&AA=F4@82!F;&]P<'D@9&ES8R!E;G1O;6)E9"!I;B!M>2!3=&%T M:6]N(')U;FYI;F<@,RXP(&-U<G1E<WD@;V8@4V]F=%!#(#(N,"X@0V%N('-O M;65O;F4@=&5L;"!M92!H;W<@=&\@9V5T(&ET(&]U=#]<"EP*06YD<F5W(%!E M;FY<"D4M36%I;#H)"6%N9')E=T!U86YE=7)O+G5A:"YU86QB97)T82YC85P* M"EQP87)D7'1X,3$U,EQT>#(S,#1<='@S-#4V7'1X-#8P.%QT>#4W-C!<='@V M.3$R7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DR,39<='@Q,#,V.%QT>#$Q-3(P7&9C,%QC9C`@7`I< M"DD@=')I960@=&\@86YS=V5R('9I82!E;6%I;"P@8G5T('1H97)E(&UU<W0@ M8F4@<V]M971H:6YG('=R;VYG('=I=&@@>6]U<B!A9')E<W,N(%-O(&QE="!M M92!A;G-W97(@;VX@=&AE('!U;&)I8R!W87D@*&ET(&UI9VAT(&)E(&EN=&5R M97-T:6YG('1O(&]T:&5R+"!T;V\A*3I<"EP*"EQP87)D7'1X-3(P7'1X,3`V M,%QT>#$V,#!<='@R,3(P7'1X,C8V,%QT>#,R,#!<='@S-S(P7'1X-#(V,%QT M>#0X,#!<='@U,S(P7&9C,5QC9C$@+BXN('1R>2!T:&4@9F]L;&]W:6YG.EP* M7`HQ("T@9&5T86-H(&9L;W!P>2!A="!3;V9T4$-<"C(@+2!C;&EC:R!A="!Y M;W5R(&)R;W=S97)<"C,@+2!C:&]O<V4@9&ES:R`M(&5J96-T(&%T('1H92!B M<F]W<V5R("AN;W1H:6YG(&AA<'!E;G,@;F]W(2E<"C0@+2!C;&EC:R!B86-K M(&%T(%-O9G100R`H=&AE(&1I<VL@;F]W('-H;W5L9"!B92!E:F5C=&5D*5P* M7`I)(&MN;W<L(&ET('-O=6YD<R!A(&)I="!F=6YN>2X@($%N9"!I="!S;VUE M=&EM97,@:7,@:&%R9"!T;R!D;R!A;&P@=&AE<V4@<W1E<',@<G5N;FEN9R!A M("=B86-K=7`G+6-O;6UA;F0@:6X@4V]F=%!#(&]V97(@82!L;W0@;V8@9&ES M8W,N($)U="!A="!M>2!S:71E(&ET('=O<FMS(5P*7`HM0F]R<FES+5P*"GT* ` -- --- Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 - D-6000 Frankfurt am Main - Germany Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324 - e-mail borris@boba.rhein-main.de
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CDROM Audio Disk Trouble Message-ID: <8405@news.duke.edu> Date: 7 Jan 93 21:59:45 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu Okay, I'm sure this has been hashed out before, but my CD-ROM unit hadn't arrived, so the information went into part of my leaky memory and was quickly dumped into the proverbial mental bit bucket. Machine setup: 68040 Classic Cube, 12Mb RAM, 660Mb HD ESDI Device: Canon MO Drive SCSI Device: Maxtor 660 Mb HD SCSI #1 SONY/NeXT CDROM SCSI #4 Moto 68040 25 MHz SCSI #7 NS3.0-Gold installed back in 10/92 from borrowed CDROM drive. Popped in my NS3.0-Gold CD and it showed up in the File Viewer without any trouble. Accessed a few files and ejected the disk with a Cmd-e. Exchanged discs and put in a Mannheim Steamroller audio CD. The disc spins around a bit while the system takes a sniff at it, then promptly spits it out with the following Console message: sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 4 (no valid label) sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 8 (no valid label) sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 12 (no valid label) DISK UNFORMATTED Disk is Write Protected Jan 7 16:39:31 Workspace: Mounted scsi disk at /cdaudio cdaudio.util: CANNOT OPEN CDPlayer Now, for fun, I fire up CDPlayer.app from the Workspace and: cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 4 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 7 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied Any thoughts would be helpful. Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD | Internet:dblakele@acpub.duke.edu | | Ambulatory Care Service (11C) | BITNET:blake007@dukemc.mc.duke.edu | | Durham VA Medical Center | FORUM:blakeley,dean d@durham.va.gov | | Durham NC 27705 | NeXTMail accepted #include <disclaim.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mflafeer@athena.mit.edu (Mohamed F. Lafeer) Subject: Disk buffers Message-ID: <1993Jan7.230140.11715@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:01:40 GMT We just upgraded our NeXTstation from 8 to 20 meg. I remember reading about having to increase the numbe of disk buffers or something when you upgrade the memory. How do you do this? Thanks, Firoze
From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Please upload DarkForest (was: Re: Product of the Year (92)) Message-ID: <tlm.726447923@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: 7 Jan 93 23:05:23 GMT References: <1993Jan7.141115.5652@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> <C0Hz71.8r2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA In <C0Hz71.8r2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: >[Why did this have USA distribution on it?] >Robert F. Cahalan writes >> DarkForest (It's useful, but more important, it cracks me up!) >Would someone please upload this program to the NeXT archive at >sonata.cc.purdue.edu? Or even NeXTmail it to me? please please! ? Tom
From: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cancel <8405@news.duke.edu> Message-ID: <8406@news.duke.edu> Date: 7 Jan 93 22:45:05 GMT References: <8405@news.duke.edu> Control: cancel <8405@news.duke.edu> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu <8405@news.duke.edu> was cancelled from within rn. -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD | Internet:dblakele@acpub.duke.edu | | Ambulatory Care Service (11C) | BITNET:blake007@dukemc.mc.duke.edu | | Durham VA Medical Center | FORUM:blakeley,dean d@durham.va.gov | | Durham NC 27705 | NeXTMail accepted #include <disclaim.h> |
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CDROM Audio Disk Trouble Message-ID: <8408@news.duke.edu> Date: 7 Jan 93 22:55:05 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu Okay, I'm sure this has been hashed out before, but my CD-ROM unit hadn't arrived, so the information went into part of my leaky memory and was quickly dumped into the proverbial mental bit bucket. Machine setup: 68040 Classic Cube, 12Mb RAM, 660Mb HD ESDI Device: Canon MO Drive SCSI Device: Maxtor 660 Mb HD SCSI #1 SONY/NeXT CDROM SCSI #4 Moto 68040 25 MHz SCSI #7 NS3.0-Gold installed back in 10/92 from borrowed CDROM drive. Popped in my NS3.0-Gold CD and it showed up in the File Viewer without any trouble. Accessed a few files and ejected the disk with a Cmd-e. Exchanged discs and put in a Mannheim Steamroller audio CD. The disc spins around a bit while the system takes a sniff at it, then promptly spits it out with the following Console message: sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 4 (no valid label) sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 8 (no valid label) sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 12 (no valid label) DISK UNFORMATTED Disk is Write Protected Jan 7 16:39:31 Workspace: Mounted scsi disk at /cdaudio cdaudio.util: CANNOT OPEN CDPlayer Now, for fun, I fire up CDPlayer.app from the Workspace and: cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 4 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 7 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied CDPlayer sends me an error message saying that the drive unit could not be found?? So, I have a burst of inspiration and log in as root to try things out. I fire up CDPlayer.app and this time it asks me to load in an audio disk. I comply, and lo and behold, I'm now listening to Tangerine Dream's Tangram. What gives, and what permissions are screwed up. I'm trying to locate cdutil, but haven't been lucky as of yet. Any thoughts? Peace (Sorry about reposting, but I sent the first article out before I was through with it) -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD | Internet:dblakele@acpub.duke.edu | | Ambulatory Care Service (11C) | BITNET:blake007@dukemc.mc.duke.edu | | Durham VA Medical Center | FORUM:blakeley,dean d@durham.va.gov | | Durham NC 27705 | NeXTMail accepted #include <disclaim.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Product of the Year (92) Message-ID: <tlm.726447509@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Jan7.141115.5652@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1993Jan7.150751.7547@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> <HARDY.93Jan7115209@golem.ps.uci.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:58:29 GMT In <HARDY.93Jan7115209@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes: >In my opinion Tom Rokicki's TeX/TeXview which come with 3.0. >-- >Hardy >----- I'll second that, although I think you'd have to include the whole suite of the new TeX, EquationBuilder, and TeXmenu (perhaps auc-tex as well for emacs people like Hardy). Add PS TeX fonts (or use EqB) and the NeXT is suddenly *the* platform for any type of scientific publishing/presentations. I've given a couple of posters/talks recently where people say "the work is nice, but how did you make...?" (where the dots stand for colored equations, or an equation with arrows added in Diagram! or....) and I always end up saying "Oh, it's trivial, but you need a NeXT" ;-) TLM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: teb@dendron.forestry.umn.edu (Thomas E. Burk) Subject: help installing gnuplot Message-ID: <1993Jan7.232736.14789@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:27:36 GMT I have 3.0 of gnuplot, gnuplot.NeXT, and gnuplot.NeXT_term.v2. I can make the stuff in gnuplot, but have no luck with the other two. If I understood the relationship between the three things it might help. Would some kind person please help me understand? -- Thomas E. Burk University of Minnesota Internet: teb@dendron.forestry.umn.edu BITNet: teburk@umnacvx.bitnet USFS DG: t.burk:x400
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: CPU hog Message-ID: <1993Jan8.000421.878@antigone.com> Organization: Antigone Press, San Francisco, CA, USA References: <145366@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:04:21 GMT -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: 1-415-431-3650
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: G&M Book (was: S&G book...OOPS sorry 'bout that folks) Message-ID: <1993Jan7.235036.14233@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:50:36 GMT OOPS...Got the subject field mangled. No more coffee for this guy :-) NeXTSTEP PROGRAMMING STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Applications Simson L. Grafinkel and Mikael K. Mahoney ISBN: 0-387-97884-4 3-540-97884-4 to order call the pubisher (Springer Verlag) at 1-800-SPRINGER -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM/EIS Applications Group Austin, Texas rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Product of the Year (92) Message-ID: <1993Jan8.000925.15212@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Jan7.150751.7547@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 00:09:25 GMT In article <1993Jan7.150751.7547@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) writes: >>In article <1993Jan7.141115.5652@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> >>cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) writes: >>> In article <1993Jan6.201433.9395@dvorak.amd.com> root@aunext1.amd.com >>> (Operator) writes: >>> > I'm officially casting my vote for S&G's >>> > book! If not the BEST product...certainly >>> > the most important (to me anyway). >>> > >>> > Ronald Pomeroy >>> > Advanced Micro Devices >>> > CAM Applications Group >>> > Austin, Texas >>> > rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com >>> I hope to pick up my copy of S&G today. Maybe I'll make it the product >>of >>> the year for 1994. For 1993, though, the top ones on my list are: >>> NeXTStep 3.0 (yes, bugs and all!) >>> Concurrence (used it for 3 seminars) >>> EquationBuilder (used it with TeXMenu, and with Concurrence) >>> DarkForest (It's useful, but more important, it cracks me up!) >>> -- >>I guess I meant to say S&G for 93, and the others for 92, since 94 isn't >>here yet, is it? [Let's see, how many times DID I go through that >>wormhole?] >> >>-- >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>..Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... >>..cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center >>..*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. >>..FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ha! Looks like my typo slid right on by ya. I'm just glad I didn't say "The S&M book is GREAT!" Egads! -- Ronald Pomeroy [Objective-Cruntime: [Smalltalk runtime]]; Advanced Micro Devices [self dream-on]; CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
From: darenp@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daren Patel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anyone know about NeXTstaion powerdown sequence? Message-ID: <86315@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 8 Jan 93 01:09:21 GMT Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Originator: darenp@happy.cc.utexas.edu I would appreciate any info on how the NeXTstation machines power down once the power key has been pressed. The reason for my query is that my station no longer seems to make that characteristic "snap" when it powers down. I had a motherboard that went bad that exhibited the same symptoms before it bought the farm and I'm praying that it's not the same thing again. I dought that the machine is getting bad power because it's hooked up to an UPS which I know to be in proper working order. Any info is greatly appreciated... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daren Patel -- darenp@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu -- The University of Texas at Austin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kluge daniel) Subject: Re: Running PPP on the NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan7.232611.3822@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <1iftp9INN2d2@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:26:11 GMT tll@kanga.caltech.edu (Tal Lewis Lancaster) writes: : I would like to set up my NeXT to use PPP. Does anybody know what needs : to be done to do this? ie. What files need to be set up? Is there any : software that is needed? : : Thanks, : : : Tal Lancaster : : There is a next-ppp package at merit.edu, with all the binaries, and some explanations to the installation on the NeXT, among the binaries, there are some sources, that are impossible to compile (IMHO offcourse). Another site for ppp might be archive.cis.ohio-state.edu - daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) Subject: Re: how to read a (ie: 'tar') floppy?!? In-Reply-To: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch's message of 6 Jan 93 11: 47:33 GMT Message-ID: <FISCHER.93Jan8030031@orange.iesd.auc.dk> Sender: news@vaxc.aud.auc.dk (USENET News System) Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University References: <1993Jan6.060123.3560@netcom.com> <1993Jan6.114733.21118@ifi.unizh.ch> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:00:31 GMT >>>>> "kluge" == kluge daniel (kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch) kluge> Ok, the command is disk -e <raw-device> Another option is the "eject" command that is part of the mtools package. Mtools is pretty much necessary if you want to use MS-DOS disks and stay sane. /Lars -- Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things. -- Calvin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: johair@afit.af.mil (John R. O'hair) Subject: Re: SoftPc Professional Message-ID: <1993Jan8.023036.24274@afit.af.mil> Sender: news@afit.af.mil Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology References: <1993Jan7.012140.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:30:36 GMT adunn@fnalo.fnal.gov writes: >I saw the ad in the latest NeXTWorld for SoftPC Professional. Has anyone tried >it yet? How well does it work under NeXTStep 2.1? I called yesterday. It's not out yet. Should be released by the end of January. They are taking orders, and if your upgrading its $100. John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Re: Garfinkel & Mahoney's book : please post ordering info Message-ID: <1993Jan8.025647.1034@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 References: <C0DBLw.C8w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan5.082843.20911@news.media.mit.edu> <1993Jan6.000145.13689@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1993Jan6.224203.22313@news.media.mit.edu> <2131.2b4c0d0d@mbcl.rutgers.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:56:47 GMT In <2131.2b4c0d0d@mbcl.rutgers.edu> hamm@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes: >Could someone please post the full title, publisher, ISBN, etc., for >the book -- I'd like to order it. If you order it from me, you can save a few bucks and get better-than-average service. I'm charging $39 _including_ U.S. shipping, vs. $42.45 from the publisher, allow you to order conveniently by e-mail, and save you from having to deal directly with the publisher (which can be a big or small advantage, depending on the particular publisher -- no comment on which it is in this case; try it with a bunch of them and see for yourself). (Yes, you $40 people who already ordered are being re-priced at $39 when your books ship and you are finally billed. We're decent folks here! And your books should arrive any day now!) We'll need your Visa or Mastercard (only) number and expiration date, mailable delivery address, and, to the extent they exist, e-mail, fax, and day and evening phone numbers. THIS IS IMPORTANT! People almost as smart as you have accidentally given us impossible (there's a check digit) credit card numbers, phone numbers with exchanges that don't exist, and street addresses but no city. Protect yourself by giving us as many ways of reaching you as possible! My re-selling your home phone number is about as likely as your re-selling mine (which you have, by the way, so please be courteous about when to call; I'm on the West Coast). We're happy to take overseas orders if you're happy to pay the shipping. We charge an averaged rate of $9 by sea (but expect arbitrary delays beyond actual shipping time of up to 4 additional weeks, by both countries' postal authorities, to encourage the use of airmail) or $17 by airmail. We also sell the official (by NeXT) NeXTSTEP Developer's Library at an even more attractive price (thanks to a bigger discount from the publisher); please inquire if interested. Regards and happy programming, - Irving -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com Happy Man Corp. 206/463-9399 x101 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 fax x108 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info free; sample $20. Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: David.Kelman@launchpad.unc.edu (David Kelman) Subject: Webster CompactDictionary Message-ID: <1993Jan8.045521.5089@samba.oit.unc.edu> Sender: usenet@samba.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:55:21 GMT While looking through the files on NS 3.0, which I finally received Tuesday after a five month wait, I noticed that in Webster's there is both a CompactDictionary and a Dictionary. The Compact is 13.6 Meg, while Dictionary is 20.3 Meg. Are both necessary, or can I delete the compact and free up a lot of space? David Kelman -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Software for Music Publishing Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:23:21 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1ij349INN7e6@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1992Dec29.040654.6712@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> <1i42v5INN1aj@schroeder.cpp.ob.open.de> I just received an evaluation copy of Finale 2.6.1 and will be testing it with Executor during the next six weeks. If it works out, I'll investigate possibilities of re-selling it to educators and supporting it with Executor. Drop me a note and I'll let you how things work out. Also, there is another gentleman somewhere working on a notation package specifically for the NeXT. Maybe he would care to speak up and give us details as to how things are going. maurices
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Programming Book Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:40:14 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1ij43uINN7od@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993Jan5.050933.9766@athena.mit.edu> One can also order the book directly from the publisher via 800 number. I got mine the week before Christmas and my local bookstore has it now also. Their selling fast. Good luck. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: G&M Book (was: S&G book...OOPS sorry 'bout that folks) Message-ID: <1993Jan8.055704.19760@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1993Jan7.235036.14233@dvorak.amd.com> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:57:04 GMT In article <1993Jan7.235036.14233@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: >>OOPS...Got the subject field mangled. No more coffee for this >>guy :-) >> >>NeXTSTEP PROGRAMMING >>STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Applications >>Simson L. Grafinkel and Mikael K. Mahoney >>ISBN: 0-387-97884-4 >> 3-540-97884-4 >>to order call the pubisher (Springer Verlag) >>at 1-800-SPRINGER Err, you should definitely stay away from the coffee... The authors are Simson L. Garfinkel & Michael K. Mahoney. - another Michael -- --> Michael B. Johnson --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jlu@cs.umr.edu ( Eric Jui-Lin Lu ) Subject: Re: Kermit 5A(188) - 31 Dec 92 - available for ftp References: <ntomczak.726387671@vega> <C0Htw7.CCp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:08:37 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Keywords: kermit, ftp, cica Sender: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Post) Message-ID: <1993Jan8.070837.9831@umr.edu> In article <C0Htw7.CCp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) writes: >In article <ntomczak.726387671@vega> ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) writes: >> >>Thank to kind offer ot Todd Green the following archive >> kermit.5a.188.tar.Z >>was uploaded to ftp.cica.indiana.edu, directory pub/next/submissions. > >I've moved the file to /pub/next/3.0/bin/kermit.5a.188.tar.Z. I've also ^^^ Can I run it in NS2.x? --Eric -- ***************************************--- Grad. student ---* * Obviousness is always the enemy of * \ Jui-Lin Lu (Eric) / * * correctness. -- Bertrand Russell * / jlu@cs.umr.edu \ * ***************************************--- Univ. of Missouri-Rolla ---*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer From: schlangm@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Harald Schlangmann) Subject: Using HP LJIIIp with djf_for_3.0? Keywords: Printer,djf_for_3.0,IIIp Originator: schlangm@hphalle0i.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Sender: news@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (USENET Newssystem) Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:34:16 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan8.093416.702@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> I wounder if anyone out there patched djf_for_3.0 (or earlier versions) to work with a HP Laserjet IIIp? I've tried the Dots-Demo and it is working, djf produces just garbage. Shouldn't djf work with IIIp also? As far as I know, HP's IIIp uses PCL5 and should support mode 2 and 3 compression --- or is just a initializer missing? Any help would be nice. Please answer to schlangm@informatik.uni-muenchen.de, I will summarize if I get any helpfull reply. Thanx, Harald
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 229-3361) Subject: Re: NeXTWORLD Feb/Mar 1993 problems Message-ID: <1993Jan7.233352.12983@cuug.ab.ca> Sender: news@cuug.ab.ca (Network News Reader) Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group References: <C0GKG9.5ux@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 23:33:52 GMT In article <C0GKG9.5ux@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: > >1) It seems that the Ten Most Wanted list people should collaborate with the rest of the magazine's people. The number one entry says that there is "still no word" on NeXTWORLD Expo '93, yet both the cover and a small ad later on in the magazine say when and where the Expo is. Not a big deal, but since that entry has been cleared up, it makes me wonder what the new item in the >list would be. > It's likely that the date was announced after the top ten was finalized. The ad and cover were likely adjusted just before publication. >2) Still in the Ten Most Wanted list, it says that the current version of NeXTSTEP is 2.9. On all the documentation and versions I've seen, my OS says that it is version 3.0. I don't even think there was a 2.9. A little proofreading could have cleared this one up in a jiffy. > I think this was meant as a sarcastic comment. You know, not really ready for shipping, therefore not really 3.0 Yes the cover is cheap, the magazine is late, and my 'three free issues of the new NeXTWORLD Extra' will never arrive. The more things change ... Terry Wilcox
From: tg@chmsr.gatech.edu (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Seeking information on Wacom tablet Message-ID: <79486@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 8 Jan 93 14:03:49 GMT Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Center for Human-Machine Systems Research - Georgia Tech I recently acquired a copy of Virtuoso. Since it can support the Wacom tablet, I would like to determine if it is worth getting one. I have no idea of how much it costs and what other applications can use the Wacom tablet. Any comments and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. govind -- T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873 tg@chmsr.gatech.edu,NeXTmail welcome. Member, League for Programming Freedom (write lpf@uunet.uu.net) School of Industrial and Systems Engineering, Georgia Institute of Technology 765 Ferst Drive, ISyE-0205, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205.
From: tg@chmsr.gatech.edu (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fax software for SupraFAX modems? Message-ID: <79487@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 8 Jan 93 14:09:56 GMT Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Center for Human-Machine Systems Research - Georgia Tech I use PDFax for sending faxes using a SupraFAX v.32bis modem. I have also placed an order for the fax software from Total Systems Software. Since TotSysSoft does not seem to be ready, and there is no indication when it will be available, I would be interested in other fax software. Is there anything else available? Thanks. govind -- T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873 tg@chmsr.gatech.edu,NeXTmail welcome. Member, League for Programming Freedom (write lpf@uunet.uu.net) School of Industrial and Systems Engineering, Georgia Institute of Technology 765 Ferst Drive, ISyE-0205, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) Subject: Re: Please upload DarkForest (was: Re: Product of the Year (92)) Message-ID: <1993Jan8.142233.13528@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Usenet) Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA References: <C0Hz71.8r2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:22:33 GMT In article <C0Hz71.8r2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: > [Why did this have USA distribution on it?] > > Robert F. Cahalan writes > > DarkForest (It's useful, but more important, it cracks me up!) > > Would someone please upload this program to the NeXT archive at > sonata.cc.purdue.edu? > > Thanks, > -- > -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) > -- NeXTmail welcome When I tried to put it in sonata's submissions directory, my ftp session hung. When I tried to put it in cs.orst.edu's submissions directory, the session was terminated. I'm willing to NeXTMail it to anyone willing to make it generally available. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... .cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center .*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. .FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) Subject: Re: Kermit 5A(188) - 31 Dec 92 - available for ftp Message-ID: <C0JJ4I.82r@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Keywords: kermit, ftp, cica Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: CICA - Center for Innovative Computer Applications References: <ntomczak.726387671@vega> <C0Htw7.CCp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1993Jan8.070837.9831@umr.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:02:41 GMT In article <1993Jan8.070837.9831@umr.edu> jlu@cs.umr.edu ( Eric Jui-Lin Lu ) writes: >>I've moved the file to /pub/next/3.0/bin/kermit.5a.188.tar.Z. I've also > ^^^ > >Can I run it in NS2.x? lothario:/tmp/kermit(360)# otool -L kermit /usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib (minor version 55) No, and I don't have access to a 2.X machine to recompile it. Perhaps someone else will and if they upload it to ftp.cica.indiana.edu, I'll happily move it to /pub/next/2.0/bin. Todd -- NeXTmail: tagreen@cica.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: G&M Book (was: S&G book...OOPS sorry 'bout that folks) Message-ID: <1993Jan8.163455.11103@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Jan8.055704.19760@news.media.mit.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:34:55 GMT In article <1993Jan8.055704.19760@news.media.mit.edu> wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes: >>In article <1993Jan7.235036.14233@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: >>>>OOPS...Got the subject field mangled. No more coffee for this >>>>guy :-) >>>> >>>>NeXTSTEP PROGRAMMING >>>>STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Applications >>>>Simson L. Grafinkel and Mikael K. Mahoney >>>>ISBN: 0-387-97884-4 >>>> 3-540-97884-4 >>>>to order call the pubisher (Springer Verlag) >>>>at 1-800-SPRINGER >> >>Err, you should definitely stay away from the coffee... >>The authors are Simson L. Garfinkel & Michael K. Mahoney. >> >>- another Michael >> >>-- >> >>--> Michael B. Johnson >>--> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group >>--> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu I give up (at least I can spel this rite) :-) -- Ronald Pomeroy [Objective-Cruntime: [Smalltalk runtime]]; Advanced Micro Devices [self dream-on]; CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) Subject: Score file -> Snd file ?? Message-ID: <1993Jan8.203046.3491@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: Score , Sound, Music Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:30:46 GMT Can anyone tell me how to convert a score file to a sound (snd) file? Thanks! Oscar -- ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks NASA, Real Time Systems Branch Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Mail Code: DL-DSD-24
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Score file -> Snd file ?? Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:39:59 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1iksbf$88i@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Jan8.203046.3491@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> In article <1993Jan8.203046.3491@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) writes: >Can anyone tell me how to convert a score file to a sound (snd) >file? playscore can do this according to the man page. See man playscore. or ScorePlayer.app which is in MusicKit from CCRMA can do this. It can convert between a lot of formats including snd, midi, playscore, and DSP commands from the Save As menu button. Get MusicKit 3.1 from ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: al@expovision.ogi.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: French.... Keywords: dictionary Message-ID: <1993Jan8.151656.245@expovision.uucp> Date: 8 Jan 93 15:16:56 GMT Article-I.D.: expovisi.1993Jan8.151656.245 References: <1ifl5dINNokt@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: al@expovision.uucp Organization: Edition Electronique Expovision inc. In article <1ifl5dINNokt@agate.berkeley.edu> william@moica.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) writes: > > > Does anyone know of any English<->French dictionaries or > utilities that are available for the NeXT ? > > Ditto for English<->Russian. > > Bill Grosso English<->French Pro Lexis will be available in Q-3 1993 at latest. A later version will support full grammatical analysis. Pro Lexis contains 500,000 words. The French only version is now shipping. Pro Lexis v1.0 (French only) is presently available for the NeXT (Write Now and Word Perfect) and Macintosh (Quark Express extension). Pro Lexis(French only) will be available for Windows and Word on the Macintosh in Q-2 1993. For more information you can contact: Andre Lalonde Plexus Distribution 53 McNider Ave. Outremont, Quebec Canada H2V 3X5 Phone: (514) 277-2712 Fax: (514) 277-3811 E-mail: info%expovision@CAM.ORG (NeXT Mail accepted) ______________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcelam@confused (James Clifton Elam) Subject: NeXTReview boo-boo Message-ID: <1993Jan8.213320.13316@glv.uucp> Keywords: good laugh.... Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:33:20 GMT Great, just great. I just got my newest copy of NeXTREVIEW and the title story has a big embarassing goof on the front page. In the "NeXT systems muscle out mainframes" story the man in the picture is not "tapping data that once resided on IBM 4341 mainframes in New York." He's playing flight simulator. Sure, it's a business commuter, er, computer. -- James "Cliff" Elam | jcelam%witsend@glv.com - NeXT mail! (919) 460-3240 (v,w) | NeXTStep/Intel + IB + DBKit @ $200 ! (919) 460-3295 (fax) | All I want to do is go home now, please.
From: emilia@natinst.com (Emilia Hezari) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <1ihmp1INNd0m@falcon.natinst.com> Control: cancel <1ihmp1INNd0m@falcon.natinst.com> Date: 8 Jan 1993 16:59:02 -0600 Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX Message-ID: <1il0vnINNn02@falcon.natinst.com> References: <1ihmp1INNd0m@falcon.natinst.com> <1ihmp1INNd0m@falcon.natinst.com> was cancelled from within rn.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: krishnan@bliss.uucp (Dr. Ganapathy Krishnan) Subject: Non Next printers Message-ID: <1993Jan8.031209.22842@bliss.uucp> Summary: Anyone have experience with non-next printers ? Keywords: printer Organization: Stetson University Math/CS Dept. Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:12:09 GMT I'd like to know if there's anyone there who has connected generic postscript printers such as HP Laserjets to the Next. I presume that you need to connect it to a serial port. What is the highest baud rate you can run it at, and how good is its performance ? Please email me directly. Thanks in advance. krishnan@stetson.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Dataviz instructions for the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan9.020207.29680@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 02:02:07 GMT Hi there- Does anyone out there know how to use the DataViz program that NeXT used to have bundled with the 1.0 systems? I have a copy and it seems very simplified--just 3 buttons and the menu panel, so I am trying to figure out how to get it to work. I notice that it drives the system load up to infinity while it is waiting for a connection. Please cc: to my email address. Thanks, Avery Wang
From: woolf@isi.edu (Suzanne Woolf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Any reviews of Garfinkel & Mahoney's book? Message-ID: <23185@venera.isi.edu> Date: 8 Jan 93 22:38:58 GMT References: <1993Jan5.082843.20911@news.media.mit.edu> <C0DJJ8.2HD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Information Sciences Institute, Univ. of So. California In article <C0DJJ8.2HD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: >Michael B. Johnson writes >[a great review in favor of the book] > >I should have said this before, but also hearing from people who >don't already know how to program for the NeXT would be valuable. I You said you didn't want to hear from people who hadn't seen the published version, which I haven't yet; I was one of the pre-publication reviewers. However, I'll boldly jump in anyway. Since I hope to get my copy soon, I'll retract any of this that's changed since I saw the manuscript :-) >appreciate Michael B. Johnson's review, however I would also like to >know if there's anything missing in the book; something whose absence >is noticed by a beginner, but for an experienced NeXTSTEP programmer >would be something assumed or just known (and therefore not thought >about). I got to review it by answering a request (here on the net) for "beginning programmers" who wanted to review it. When I started, my qualifications were: Systems administration and user support on various flavors of Unix, including NeXTs; some college programming courses, including C; and no NeXTSTEP programming at all-- I knew NeXTSTEP only as a user. I found that the authors started by assuming even less experience than I had. Familiarity with programming in general and C in particular is assumed, familiarity with NeXTSTEP even as a user isn't. It goes quickly enough to cover a lot of ground, and it takes effort to keep up, but (IMHO) they don't leave the less experienced programmer behind. If you don't have a working knowledge of C, or Unix, or programming style/technique issues (modular design, etc.) you might want to start someplace else, because the code examples might not make much sense to you; some design decisions, for instance, might be confusing. Otherwise, you'll probably find it's aimed at people with a working knowledge of programming who want to learn Objective-C and get a start on understanding and effectively using the NeXTSTEP programming environment by writing code and watching what it does. It is *not* a substitute for the reference documentation, but if you've looked at the reference documentation, decided you weren't sure how to tackle it, and longed for someone to help you find a place to start, this book is it. I hope this answers your question.... >I assume that this book is aimed at beginners only because it doesn't >make much sense, to me, to talk to experts about how to program with >NeXTSTEP. I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean "It doesn't make sense to write a book for experts on how to program with NeXTSTEP," I don't agree-- experts can learn new stuff too, and they'd better if they want to keep being experts in a field that changes as fast as ours. But, agreed that this book isn't really for experts. It probably doesn't have too much to say to someone with extensive experience writing code in multiple languages, who already understands OOP and GUI principles, and who can spend a lot of time reading the reference documentation and writing code-experiments. But any of us less-advanced folk can probably learn a lot from the book. Suzanne woolf@isi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: GS+AFP Unix server Message-ID: <C0KE8F.CnL@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Distribution: na Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:14:39 GMT I have several mac's and a GS connected via Localtalk to a ci which is running Apple's Internet Router and is Ethertalked to a NeXT Cube which is running IPT's uShare AFP server, as a task. I can mount the NeXT volume on the GS desktop, move files back and forth and print to the NeXT printer without any problems.[ Same with a 486 which is also on Localtalk.]. There seems to be 2 problems though, also shared by the PC, but not by the Mac's. (1) Moving a GS file to the server causes it to lose it file type and creator (this is not the case with Mac files from a Mac). (2) Logging off the server (either by dragging the volume to the garbage can or OA-Y) hangs the GS. This problem also occurs with the PC using Windows' based software (specifically Copstalk and Farallon's sw). The file type/creator issue seems to be similar to one that happens with CAP. Does anyone have a fix for this (Todd?)? The logging off problem is different though. Could this be a funtion of the Internet Software router that I am using (may not be the most recent). Any clues would be much appreciated. The speed with which one can print to the NeXT laser is impressive using uShare/uPrint, but the logging off issue is really a pain. On the PC it completely hangs the system to the point of requiring a hard reset. Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: kcarroll@stein.u.washington.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: syquest compatability? Date: 9 Jan 1993 02:03:19 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1ilbp7INN18u@shelley.u.washington.edu> Any one have a Syquest running off a NeXT Station? How? What driver? email: kcarroll@stein.u.washington.edu thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) Subject: NeXTStep on HP? Message-ID: <9301090331.AA09466@alychne-nc.canon.com> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:33:16 GMT [This was paraphrased when it got to me - I have entered it exactly as I received it. In particular, I think there's a mistake in the 3rd paragraph; I assume they meant to discuss NeXTStep '486.] ***** Source: New York Times, 1/6/93 NeXT has been in discussions with Hewlett Packard over licensing NeXTStep. It was further reported that the discussions were not limited to a software license only, but may broaden into an investment from HP. Further, NeXT may use a version of HP's microprocessor in a future version of their workstation. There has been speculation around Silicon Valley, that NeXT may not survive if they don't receive additional investments from a major partner like HP. Work has already begun at NeXT on an Intel version of their workstation which has been delayed for release until mid-1993. Other options being considered by NeXT include the NT operating system from Microsoft or software from Taligent, the joint venture established between IBM and Apple. *****
From: gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: VT100 codes(?) send funny characters on the modem? Date: 9 Jan 1993 05:18:53 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1iln7tINNf13@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> When I dial in to the NeXT, with kermit (PC or Mac) occasionally some scrren control codes don't work properly. Generally it is around the time that the screen should be cleared, but sometimes the screen does clear (it always works in the same place and always goofs up in the same places). Generally I get it when I log on, before the first prompt appears, but I get it when I quit a few programs and lots of times in the Goper client (1.1 I think?) Sometimes it goofs up with words in the man pages, I think thos words are inverse or underlined. The most common code is ?[;H?[2J and it generally starts with ?[; but not always. It NEVER errors when I am running terminal from the console, and I don't think i t errors when I use NCSA telnet on the Mac (TCP mode). Any suggestions?? It doesn't bother me much, but the others using the modem don't like it very much and worry about the strange chracters, especally when screenfuls of information overwrite themselves. -- Gary J LaPointe gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu Michigan State University Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: Re: NeXTWORLD Feb/Mar 1993 problems Message-ID: <1993Jan09.073818.25206@microsoft.com> Date: 09 Jan 93 07:38:18 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corporation A couple of previous posters wrote... |> 2) Still in the Ten Most Wanted list, it says that the |> current version of NeXTSTEP is 2.9. On all the documentation |> and versions I've seen, my OS says that it is version 3.0. I |> don't even think there was a 2.9. A little proofreading could |> have cleared this one up in a jiffy. | | | I think this was meant as a sarcastic comment. You know, not | really ready for shipping, therefore not really 3.0 Was NeXTWORLD also being sarcastic when they said that the "Publishing Splashdown" article (pg. 7, Feb/Mar '93) continues on page 15? Turn to page 15; its a full-page ad for Insignia Solutions' SoftPC. The article is actually continued on page 14. How ironic that this occurred in an article complaining about publishing presence... , | |/\ ______/| eff__/| / enshaw______________________________ |/ \/ /| jhenshaw@microsoft.com \| not a microsoft spokesperson
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Webster CompactDictionary Distribution: world Message-ID: <dillon.0tke@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> References: <1993Jan8.045521.5089@samba.oit.unc.edu> Date: 8 Jan 93 18:09:48 PST Organization: Not an Organization In article <1993Jan8.045521.5089@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Kelman@launchpad.unc.edu (David Kelman) writes: > While looking through the files on NS 3.0, which I finally received >Tuesday after a five month wait, I noticed that in Webster's there is both a >CompactDictionary and a Dictionary. The Compact is 13.6 Meg, while >Dictionary is 20.3 Meg. Are both necessary, or can I delete the compact and >free up a lot of space? > >David Kelman One interesting thing I did was simply remove The dictionary, quotations, and literature directories entirely, replacing them with softlinks to the CDRom. Works great, though of course you must have the CDRom in if you want to access them. I'm somewhat disappointed that the NeXT CDRom drive doesn't spin-down an idle drive, though, it makes for totally unecessary wear. -Matt >-- > The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of > North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information > Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. > internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 -- Matthew Dillon dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US 1005 Apollo Way uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmuilu@joyke7.joensuu.fi (Juha Muilu) Subject: Re: Webster CompactDictionary Message-ID: <1993Jan9.130555.1169@cs.joensuu.fi> Sender: news@cs.joensuu.fi Organization: University of Joensuu References: <dillon.0tke@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:05:55 GMT In article <dillon.0tke@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: > .... > I'm somewhat disappointed that the NeXT CDRom drive doesn't spin-down > an idle drive, though, it makes for totally unecessary wear. > > -Matt > Nice to know. I got very bad looking scratches on my NStep disk and bad block messages to console :-( -- Juha Muilu Department of Chemistry,University of Joensuu,P.O. Box 111 80101 Joensuu,FINLAND Email:Juha.Muilu@joensuu.fi (NeXT mail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: rlp@sunset.lanl.gov (Dick Phillips) Subject: Re: Blue Sky CM fonts Message-ID: <1993Jan9.135202.11125@newshost.lanl.gov> Keywords: NeXT, PostScript Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <1992Dec31.210935.23876@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:52:02 GMT In article <1992Dec31.210935.23876@newshost.lanl.gov> rlp@sunset.lanl.gov (Dick Phillips) writes: > Folks: > > This may seem like an esoteric problem, but it's very real when you > MUST solve it. I'm running TeX on a NeXT, which is a PostScript machine. > For a book I'm doing, I need to use PostScript versions of the CM fonts; > bitmapped versions are unacceptable. Fortunately, Blue Sky Research > sells Type 1 versions of the CM fonts, 75 in all. I've bought them and > installed them. Everything seemed to go smoothly until I tried printing > the quadratic equation. That is, I used the simple Plain TeX expression: > > $$-b\pm\sqrt{b^2-4ac}\over 2a$$ > > Curiously, all elements appeared to be correct, except the minus and > plusminus signs were missing. I've tried several other equations with > integral signs, matrix brackets, greek characters, etc., and I get > mixed results. For example, theta is missing, while alpha and phi are > correct. Also, the multiply "x" and left arrow don't appear. Any > thoughts on what might be amiss? Seems like an encoding problem, but > I wouldn't know where to look. Since this problem is not likely to be > of widespread interest, please reply directly to me at rlp@lanl.gov. > Thanks, > > Dick Phillips Thanks to all who replied to my plea for help. Barry Smith of Blue Sky Research called within an hour of my posting and talked me through a potential solution. The evidence seemed to indicate that many characters were missing, both from the font encoding vectors and the *.afm files, in the first 32 positions. Not included in my posting was the fact that I bought the Macintosh version of the CM fonts and used Altsys' Metamorphosis Pro to convert them for use on the NeXT. While I have had no trouble with that program in the past, it apparently can not deal with TeX encodings properly. I have just reinstalled the CM fonts, starting from MS DOS versions (thanks again to Barry Smith) and everything works perfectly. Thanks again, Dick Phillips
From: greimann@pecan.cns.udel.edu (J. Brandon Greimann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: syquest compatability? Date: 9 Jan 1993 16:37:31 GMT Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Message-ID: <1imv0bINN18c@nigel.ee.udel.edu> References: <1ilbp7INN18u@shelley.u.washington.edu> In article <1ilbp7INN18u@shelley.u.washington.edu> kcarroll@stein.u.washington.edu writes: >Any one have a Syquest running off a NeXT Station? >How? What driver? > >email: kcarroll@stein.u.washington.edu > >thanks I've got the 88-meg version connected to my NeXTStation Color...so far no problems. Drivers? Please. It's a NeXT! Just plug it in! (poweroff first) Seriously, though. I bought it out of a Mac catalog, discarded the Mac cable and installation disk (hehehehe), plugged it in, powered up, and formatted the disk... One problem, though, is a lack of auto-eject (like the floppy) It makes the unmounting/ejecting a bit weird. The NeXT asks you to eject the disk when you drag it to the recycler or eject...so you have to push the button on the SyQuest (no big deal really, just not as convenient as the auto-ejecting drives.) The disk also seems to screw up the filesystem when it is unmounted when a file is still being used off of it...this must be NeXTs fault. I tried the diskejectfix that's available, but it doesn't seem to do anything. You also won't want to remove the disk without unmounting/ejecting it...also a drawback to manual eject. Overall, it's a decent drive, especially if you need compatability with Mac SyQuest's. I'd suggest an OD of some kind, though...the 120 meg 3.5" drives look like a good prospect or one of the larger NeXTlike ODs.. --Brandon -- ............................................................................... To reach me through e-mail: greimann@freezer.cns.udel.edu Phone: (302) 368-4862
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com Subject: Re: syquest compatability? Message-ID: <1993Jan9.170430.245@dtint.uucp> Sender: usenet@dtint.uucp Organization: Digital Technology, International References: <1ilbp7INN18u@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 17:04:30 GMT In article <1ilbp7INN18u@shelley.u.washington.edu> kcarroll@stein.u.washington.edu writes: > Any one have a Syquest running off a NeXT Station? > How? What driver? > > email: kcarroll@stein.u.washington.edu > > thanks It's plug-and-play. Works fine. No extra driver required. -- Nevin Pratt, Digital Technology, Int'l Orem, Ut NeXTmail preferred, but ONLY at my REAL email address: nevin@dtint.dtint.com -- --- root root@dtint.dtint.com Digital Technology Int. (801)226-2984 500 W. 1200 South, Orem UT, 84057 FAX (801) 226-8438
From: tg@chmsr.gatech.edu (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fax software for SupraFAX: correction and apologies Message-ID: <79610@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 9 Jan 93 17:45:36 GMT Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Center for Human-Machine Systems Research - Georgia Tech In my LocalApps directory I put the driver in a directory called PDFax (for Public Domain Fax). In trying to recollect why I did this, I seem to recall that I tried the send-only version of NXFax driver after making the ZyXEL driver to work. I must have named the latter directory PDFax. I am not sure about this, though. I looked through the sonata archives for the ZyXEL driver earlier today, but could not locate it. (It is possible that the folder from which I copied was named PDFax. My memory is a bit hazy on this. Sorry.) Once again, I apologize for the misinformation. The ZyXEL driver does work for the SupraFAX modem in the send-only mode. A number of friendly folks on the net have informed me that the people who wrote NXFax have a version for the SupraFAX almost ready (in beta test). I plan to check with them soon. Let us hope that this becomes available soon. govind -- T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873 tg@chmsr.gatech.edu,NeXTmail welcome. Member, League for Programming Freedom (write lpf@uunet.uu.net) School of Industrial and Systems Engineering, Georgia Institute of Technology 765 Ferst Drive, ISyE-0205, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205.
From: Michael Maurer <maurer@nova.stanford.edu> Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.khoros,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.sys.apollo,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.super Subject: RESULT: comp.soft-sys.matlab passes 749:18 Followup-To: news.groups Date: 9 Jan 1993 13:29:56 -0500 Organization: STAR Lab, Stanford University, California USA Sender: tale@rodan.UU.NET Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1in5j4INN1rs@rodan.UU.NET> The voting period for comp.soft-sys.matlab ended at 1993 Jan 7 23:59 GMT, and 767 valid votes had been received by that time. YES: 749 NO: 18 The count passes both requirements for group creation: 1) at least twice as many YES as NO votes 749 > 2*18 2) at least 100 more YES than NO votes 749 > 100+18 The vote tally is below, NO votes first. The list is sorted by mail "From:" header, without regard to case. NO Votes: 18 ============ NO "Eric J. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CPU hog Message-ID: <1993Jan9.105831.3732@nic.csu.net> From: sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) Date: 9 Jan 93 10:58:30 PST References: <145366@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> <1993Jan8.000421.878@antigone.com> Organization: San Francisco State University My problem is with console (Window Server). It took up 12.7% of cpu time when no other application running. If I run Microphone, and do downloading it goes up to 60% for console (Window Server). Why???? It really slows down the machine. I am running NS 3.0 -- Mul | Alt. address: sulistio@futon.sfsu.edu sulistio@sutro.sfsu.edu | NeXTmail -> sarong!sulistio@cs.sfsu.edu #include "std/disclaimer.h" | Thomas Alva Edison (1847-1931) >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: More Login Tiffs Message-ID: <1993Jan9.223922.3021@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 22:39:22 GMT Prompted in part by the apparent success of my first batch of login tiffs, I've created a new but quite different set and put it up on my work machine (yak.macc.wisc.edu, 144.92.30.18) for anonymous ftp (sorry, no automatic mail server), in directory pub/next/images/logintiffs. The relevant files are 31_wisdoms.tar.Z and 31_wisdoms.README. The new tiffs are simple black panels, with the usual spaces for login and password, each carrying a short wise saying from the Inner Chapters of the Chinese Taoist sage Chuang Tsu. May you derive comfort and tranquility from considering these texts, as I do. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Saving Postscript files in 3.0 Message-ID: <1048@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 10 Jan 93 01:04:08 GMT References: <961@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Jeff Adams writes > > I am trying to create oversize pages (like 11 x 20.5 inches) to be eventually > sent off to a typesetter using a Linotronic 200. > ... > However, If I create a dummy Linotronic 200 printer using PrintManager, and for > example save postscript on a document with an oversize page (like 11 x 20.5 > inches) using the chosen printer (Linotronic 200), and save two versions, both > a version with device independent postscript (the default) and postscript for > the chosen printer (Lino) the only difference between the two files (using > diff) is the Creation Date field. I think the problem is that you are asking for a non-standard page size, and the NeXT software is only set up to handle specific named page sizes. The Linotronic can handle user-definable page regions since it uses roll-fed paper, but most printers have only fixed choices. The PPD files have a key entry called "VariablePaperSize", I think, that can be either True or False. If it's True, then it should let you specify non-standard sizes and generate calls to the "setpageparams" operator to effect this change. I think NeXT does not support this under 3.0. There are two things you can do. The first is to choose a pre-existing page size, like Tabloid, for example, and I believe it will put the correct code into the file for you. The other choice, which I have not verified but think should work, is to edit the PPD file yourself and add an entry for the paper size you need. You should be able to copy/paste the code for some of the other page sizes and get the entry to show up in the popup list on the NeXT panel, and it should then also copy the code into the print file for you. I have not tried this, since I don't use 3.0 in my daily work (I'm still happily at 2.1). You may need to look in the Linotronic manual to get the exact "setpageparams" code to put into the PPD file, but I think it should all work okay. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Music software??? Message-ID: <1046@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 10 Jan 93 01:03:05 GMT References: <960@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Glenn Reid writes mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu writes > > Is there a package that will actually typeset music and let you hear it. > By typeset, I mean let me put notes on a staff and so forth. > > If such a program is available, where can I find it? > Thanks! We have an upcoming music publishing and notation product called Music Scribe. It is very sophisticated and produces extremely precise notation. It has already been used to produce many hundreds of pages of orchestral scores. It was originally written by William Clocksin of Cambridge University, and we will be bringing it to the market shortly, although we have not set an exact schedule or price yet. There has been some discussion on the net about whether or not MusicScribe supports chords. The product is not yet shipping, and the chord work is under development. It was in the plan from the start, but was not in the early beta releases. For more information, call us at the number below or send Email to info@rightbrain.com -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Music software??? Message-ID: <1055@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 10 Jan 93 01:09:41 GMT References: <972@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com [Sorry this is late; our last two months' postings went to /dev/null!] Maurice Shihadi writes > I called Right Brain and checked on "Miniscribe". As far as I can tell, It > will not produce music notation adaquately for any stylistic genre past the > Baroque era 1600-1750 etc. > > Incidently, "Score" is no longer being distributed by Passport and the gentlemanwho wrote it probably still teaches at Stanford. Maybe someone could convince > him to port it over. It was a heck of a notation program even though it ran > on a DOS machine. Alas, I can't remember his name. We met him the other day, after we ran the ad in NeXTWORLD announcing (ahem) Music Scribe. We did an obviously incomplete name search in a hurry to make the ad deadline, and chose the name "Score" for our product. Needless to say, we have already changed the name to "Music Scribe", with great apologies to the owner of the "Score" namd, Leland Smith of Stanford. His software, Score, does indeed run on DOS, and as far as I know does not run under UNIX or the NeXT. It is a very impressive piece of work, highly respected in the music notation industry. As for Music Scribe, it is true that it lacks some features for modern music, including chords. See related posting for some more information about that. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The easy way to install fonts (Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!) Message-ID: <1056@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 10 Jan 93 01:10:11 GMT References: <978@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com [Sorry this is late; our last two months' postings went to /dev/null!] Gordon Van Huizen writes > In article <1gqa6tINNham@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. > Sears) writes: > > I guess that everyone misunderstood my question. I know > > how to use buildafmdir and cacheAFMData to install new > > fonts. I also know about FontInstaller.app from Adobe. > > Apparently they do not do exactly the same thing, because > > after I install fonts with FontInstaller.app, the > > following directories are created: > > > > afm > > bitmap > > outline > > > > These are old directories - this is the way the NeXTSTEP > had these files organized prior to NeXTSTEP 2.0. I don't > know of any app that requires these directories to be > there (except perhaps FrameMaker which has some sort of > anlternate font installation scheme - I can't say). I can help a little with this (my name's in the Info panel on Adobe's installer :-) The afm, bitmap, and outline directories were indeed the NeXTSTEP 1.0 method of organizing fonts, which were obsoleted by NS 2.0 and the "font wrapper" files, which are much better. The afm, bitmap, and outline directories are created by the Adobe Font Installer, but only the afm directory has its contents updated. The sole reason for this extra step was that FrameMaker reads all the AFM files at startup, and the old version of FrameMaker (I think it was version 1.0 or 2.0) used to crash immediately on startup if the afm directory wasn't there. I don't know of any other application that requires these directories. The current (and previous) versions of FrameMaker DO NOT have this problem, and these directories can be safely deleted if you don't have the old version of FrameMaker. It has been long enough since NS 1.0 that the Adobe Installer could be modified to not create these directories without any particular ill effect, I imagine. On the other hand, a few symbolic links don't hurt much :-) -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Book on NeXTSTEP Programming Message-ID: <1060@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 10 Jan 93 01:12:45 GMT References: <986@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Michael B. Johnson writes > It's also probably infinitely easier (and cheaper) to get DOS disks > duplicated than NeXT format ones. When you want to get a few thousand > books out, I'm sure that was a mitigating factor. Not really. As long as you stick to the 1.44 floppies, the same machines (and companies) that duplicate DOS floppies can duplicate NeXT floppies too. The disk copier doesn't care about the format, as long as the low- level format is the same (which it is). We do this all the time. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Richard Page resigns ... Date: 10 Jan 1993 02:06:22 GMT Organization: Univ of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> From San Francisco Chronicle Business Section B2, Jan 9, 93. Co-Founder Resignes Post At Next Inc. Richard Page, a co-founder with Steven Jobs of the computer maker Next Inc., resigned as general manager of hardware yesterday, increasing speculation that the company was moving to become a software publisher. Page, who was one of the principal hardware engineers at Apple Computer Inc. involved in the design of the original Macintosh computer, joined Jobs and four others in leaving Apple seven years ago to found Next. Since then, three of the original founders have left the company, leaving only Jobs and George Crowe. A company spokeswoman said that Page had left for "personal reasons" and that she did not know his plans. ------------------------------------------------------------- Posted without comment. If anyone has statements or press releases about this, please post. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $BBg_78^=;(B ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTmail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: NS3.0 Gold .vs Green????!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan10.053455.24730@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:34:55 GMT Hi, Just notice that my 3.0 CD-ROM is different from others. Mine has got a green top, and I heard someone's got GOLD. What are the difference between these two? I got my from the Edu CD-ROM Drive bundle deal, is that why I get the green instead of Gold? Gary -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Subject: Re: NS3.0 Gold .vs Green????!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan10.062621.544@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology References: <1993Jan10.053455.24730@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:26:21 GMT In article <1993Jan10.053455.24730@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu writes: >Hi, > > Just notice that my 3.0 CD-ROM is different from others. >Mine has got a green top, and I heard someone's got GOLD. > > What are the difference between these two? I got my from the Edu >CD-ROM Drive bundle deal, is that why I get the green instead of Gold? > >Gary The "box" the CD comes is in gold with green lettering. The CD itself is half black (top half), half green (bottom half). I don't know of another shipping version. Eric
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GS+AFP Unix server Date: 10 Jan 1993 08:54:03 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: na Message-ID: <1ioo7bINN2c0@gap.caltech.edu> References: <C0KE8F.CnL@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >The file type/creator issue seems to be similar to one that happens with CAP. >Does anyone have a fix for this (Todd?)? Nope. The problem that I had a fix for is that you'd get garbage for the filetypes for both unix files and files you copied to the server, and also the System 7 Filesharing bug that floored auxtypes to $FFFFFFFF every so often. This problem seems more like an incompatibility between the server software and the AppleShare FST, and I don't know what the real scoop is (and can't find out for you, since I am no longer actually at Caltech nor is my GS connected to any networks except by modem). >The logging off problem is different though. Could this be a funtion of the >Internet Software router that I am using (may not be the most recent). Ya got me. This definitely did _not_ happen with CAP when I was using it. BTW, the Mac manager at Caltech told me he has decided that Apple's Internet Router is a piece of sh*t, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was the problem. Todd Whitesel toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: grw@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (George Wu) Subject: Using tar with a SCSI DAT drive Message-ID: <1993Jan10.090824.24470@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 09:08:24 GMT I recently installed an Archive Python SCSI DAT drive on my system (NeXTStation Mono running NS 2.1) for backup purposes. However, I have been unable to use tar on the drive. I always get an 'I/O error' when I run tar and the associated SCSI error is as follows. st: cmd = 0x15 sr_io_status = 2H Sense key = 0x5 Sense Code = 0x1a According to scsireg.h the SCSI command causing the problem is MODE SELECT and the sense key (0x5) indicates invalid request. Does anyone know the solution to this problem ? Any help is appreciated. George Wu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: CPU hog Message-ID: <C0Mt3H.8t@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <145366@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> <1993Jan8.000421.878@antigone.com> <1993Jan9.105831.3732@nic.csu.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 09:30:53 GMT In article <1993Jan9.105831.3732@nic.csu.net> sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) writes: >My problem is with console (Window Server). It took up 12.7% of cpu time >when no other application running. If I run Microphone, and do downloading >it goes up to 60% for console (Window Server). Why???? It really slows down >the machine. I am running NS 3.0 It would be interesting to know if Microphone turned out to be the culprit. When I used to run Synapse on the Neuron there were no such problems when downloading (with Microphone you can't really do anything else while d/l'ing). Same with tip and zmodem- no problem. Perhaps Software Ventures has newer drivers for the various modems they support? Microphone has potential, but the downloading issue and the updating of the screen could do with a small fix. Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Any reviews of Garfinkel & Mahoney's book? Message-ID: <1993Jan9.113208.19916@prim> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Jan5.082843.20911@news.media.mit.edu> <C0DJJ8.2HD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <23185@venera.isi.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:32:08 GMT In article <23185@venera.isi.edu> woolf@isi.edu (Suzanne Woolf) writes: >But, agreed that this book isn't really for experts. It probably >doesn't have too much to say to someone with extensive experience >writing code in multiple languages, who already understands OOP and >GUI principles, and who can spend a lot of time reading the reference >documentation and writing code-experiments. But any of us >less-advanced folk can probably learn a lot from the book. > I'll buy the book if, after reading it, you have a clear idea of why the functionality of a Button is split between two classes (Button and ButtonCell) rather than one. The philosophy behind the appkit heirarchy is not well explained in the NeXT documentation. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Source for USENET archives of comp.sys.next Message-ID: <1993Jan9.114045.19973@prim> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1ifff2INNilq@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <1993Jan8.031906.9026@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:40:45 GMT In article <1993Jan8.031906.9026@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> slugg@mouthers.wa.com writes: >Is there another site to which we can move (and posthaste start filling up ;)? There's a good site somewhere in Germany (not sure of the name, but it maybe fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de/141.14.140.32). Last time I checked they were copying everything from sonata and seemed to have a better organized directory heirarchy. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Re: Using tar with a SCSI DAT drive Message-ID: <1993Jan10.115715.5128@news.csuohio.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University References: <1993Jan10.090824.24470@cs.ucla.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 11:57:15 GMT George Wu (grw@oahu.cs.ucla.edu) wrote: : I recently installed an Archive Python SCSI DAT drive on my system : (NeXTStation Mono running NS 2.1) for backup purposes. However, I : have been unable to use tar on the drive. I always get an 'I/O error' : when I run tar and the associated SCSI error is as follows. : st: cmd = 0x15 sr_io_status = 2H : Sense key = 0x5 Sense Code = 0x1a : According to scsireg.h the SCSI command causing the problem is MODE : SELECT and the sense key (0x5) indicates invalid request. Does anyone : know the solution to this problem ? Any help is appreciated. : George Wu Well, it would have helped if you indicated your command line for tarring. I have the same drive, and I can tar, no problems at all, with this comman line syntax (from root /): tar -xvf /dev/rst0 * I usually use gnutar with this syntax: gnutar -xvpf /dev/rst0 * Give it a try. My current DAT scsi id is "6" | Joe Rosenfeld cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu | CSU Law Library joer@inca.law.csuohio.edu | "We look for things ... to make us go!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: franks@nadia.stgt.sub.org (Frank Siegert) Subject: Photo CD and Toshiba drive Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:06:32 GMT Organization: Stuttgart Net Systems, FRG Keywords: Photo Cd drive problem bug Summary: toshiba drive refuse Photo Cd Message-ID: <1993Jan9.160632.22944@nadia.stgt.sub.org> Hello! We have a Toshiba SCSI Photo CD (multisession) drive here. Connecting the drive to the NeXT is no problem and 'normal' data CD works fine _but_ whenever I insert a Photo CD in the Toshiba the drive spins up blinks one time (NeXT reading signature I guess) and spins down, ejecting the Photo CD. The same CD in the NeXT CD drive works ok (for the first session). Can anyone give me an advice? Frank Siegert // No NeXT mail, please! / franks@nadia.stgt.sub.org // // u288869@uebung3.rz.fh-reutlingen.de //
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) Subject: Re: NS3.0 Gold .vs Green????!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan10.181929.29299@seas.smu.edu> Sender: news@seas.smu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas References: <1993Jan10.053455.24730@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1993Jan10.062621.544@athena.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:19:29 GMT In article <1993Jan10.062621.544@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >In article <1993Jan10.053455.24730@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu writes: >>Hi, >> >> Just notice that my 3.0 CD-ROM is different from others. >>Mine has got a green top, and I heard someone's got GOLD. >> >> What are the difference between these two? I got my from the Edu >>CD-ROM Drive bundle deal, is that why I get the green instead of Gold? >> >>Gary > >The "box" the CD comes is in gold with green lettering. The CD itself is >half black (top half), half green (bottom half). I don't know of another >shipping version. > >Eric > > From what I understand, the "gold" version is pre-release 2, while the "green" version is the production release (ie the final release). David L. Leon dleon@seas.smu.edu .
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Using tar with a SCSI DAT drive Message-ID: <un8fkqo@zuni.esd.sgi.com> Date: 10 Jan 93 19:47:53 GMT References: <1993Jan10.090824.24470@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: news@zuni.esd.sgi.com (Net News) Distribution: usa Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA In <1993Jan10.090824.24470@cs.ucla.edu> grw@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (George Wu) writes: | I recently installed an Archive Python SCSI DAT drive on my system | (NeXTStation Mono running NS 2.1) for backup purposes. However, I | have been unable to use tar on the drive. I always get an 'I/O error' | when I run tar and the associated SCSI error is as follows. | | st: cmd = 0x15 sr_io_status = 2H | Sense key = 0x5 Sense Code = 0x1a | | According to scsireg.h the SCSI command causing the problem is MODE | SELECT and the sense key (0x5) indicates invalid request. Does anyone | know the solution to this problem ? Any help is appreciated. sense code 1a indicates parameter overrun, which presumably means that one of the bytes in the command is out of range. Perhaps you (or the driver) is trying for a blocksize that the drive doesn't support? -- Let no one tell me that silence gives consent, | Dave Olson because whoever is silent dissents. | Silicon Graphics, Inc. Maria Isabel Barreno | olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davisj@wimpy.aero.org (john davis) Subject: printing envelopes Message-ID: <1993Jan10.204203.19528@speedy.aero.org> Sender: news@speedy.aero.org Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:42:03 GMT I'm trying to print standard size envelopes using my Next printer, but I'm having problems with the envelopes only feeding halfway and then stalling. Is there a way to print envelopes through the paper try or is the only way to do it is by manual feed? Any suggestions or tips would be welcomed. Thanks John C Davis davisj@wimpy.aero.org (NeXT Mail ok)
Organization: Arizona State University Date: Sunday, 10 Jan 1993 13:40:49 MST From: <ASODL@ASUACAD.BITNET> Message-ID: <93010.134049ASODL@ASUACAD.BITNET> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Richard Page resigns ... References: <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> I will try and follow with the exact article listing and reference information later this week on this matter. In addition to the information you listed about Richard Page's resignation, the blurb in the Friday, Jan. 8th edition of the Tempe Tribune (Tempe, AZ) relative to this also mentioned that he was burnt out and would probably start a company of his own. Also, and somewhat of a surprise, this article announced that NeXT was DROPPING support of NeXTWorld if I recall correctly. Like a hot rock is how it sounded to me.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Need Faster Screen Refresh and Better Focus. Message-ID: <1993Jan8.184500.20952@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <C0EGyy.HFK@Novell.COM> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:45:00 GMT Tony Wosnjuk writes > Is nice to see some different colors for a change, but my screen > is not as sharp as before (Black and White) and the refresh takes > much longer when going from one application to another. The new > windows(open applications) seems like to row halfway, stop and > continue. This is specially true when openning mail, file viewer, > or any app which occupies a big enough part of the screen. > Does anybody know what I could do to make the response time of the > interface faster. I have 16M of memory, monitor model no. N4001, > . > Oh, please don't tell me to buy more memory. Nope, sorry. Gonna HAFTA tell you to do that. The pause you are seeing is the window buffer getting paged in off of disk. 16M is barely adequate for a monochrome station, and when you consider that the screen framebuffer and window buffers occupy 4 times as much memory - OUCH! -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu (Pascal Chesnais) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTReview boo-boo Message-ID: <1993Jan10.213349.8780@news.media.mit.edu> Date: 10 Jan 93 21:33:49 GMT References: <1993Jan8.213320.13316@glv.uucp> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory In article <1993Jan8.213320.13316@glv.uucp> jcelam@confused (James Clifton Elam) writes: > Great, just great. I just got my newest copy of NeXTREVIEW and the > title story has a big embarassing goof on the front page. More embarassing is that the NeXT logo is at 45 degrees. pasc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: Low-level format of 400MB drive Message-ID: <1993Jan10.214623.1229@selway.umt.edu> Organization: University of Montana Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:46:23 GMT Our power went off a few weeks ago and since then our color station won't boot properly. I have to tweak it a little bit every time the computer goes through a hard reboot, but can get it running. I have the CD-ROM drive and have loaded 3.0 but that didn't fix that problem. Also, the error log lists a couple hundred files with messages such as, "couldn't copy", "couldn't make folder", and {my favorite:->) "couldn't change settings on". It looks like hard disk damage to physical blocks, and in fact fsck says there are some unresolved problems. Has anyone out there done a low-level format or surface analysis? What is the trick to loading 3.0 if you are working with an empty hard drive? Obviously you must boot from the CD-ROM. Any help on this would be appreciated. Rich
From: rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu (Rob Snyder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Start up problem. (Exception #3) Date: 10 Jan 1993 21:58:41 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1iq66hINN4ic@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Howdy all, I've got a little problem with my NeXT Station Mono (non-turbo). When ever I either a) do a alt-command-*, or b)Power up, I get an Exception #3: 'Exception #3 (0xc) at 0x1000374' After this happens I can simply type 'bsd' and everything runs fine. Any help/hints would be greatly appreciated as to what this problem is! Thanks a lot! -- *--------------------------------------------------* * Rob Snyder. /\/e><T Mail accepted * * 'rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu' * * 'snyderre@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu' * * (812)877-8721 * *--------------------------------------------------*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@cubetech.com Subject: Re: Richard Page resigns ... Message-ID: <1993Jan10.212134.17542@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:21:34 GMT In article <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >From San Francisco Chronicle Business Section B2, Jan 9, 93. > >Co-Founder Resignes Post At Next Inc. > >Richard Page, a co-founder with Steven Jobs of the computer maker >Next Inc., resigned as general manager of hardware yesterday, >increasing speculation that the company was moving to become >a software publisher. > >Page, who was one of the principal hardware engineers at >Apple Computer Inc. involved in the design of the original >Macintosh computer, joined Jobs and four others in leaving >Apple seven years ago to found Next. Since then, three >of the original founders have left the company, leaving >only Jobs and George Crowe. > >A company spokeswoman said that Page had left for "personal >reasons" and that she did not know his plans. >------------------------------------------------------------- > >Posted without comment. If anyone has statements or >press releases about this, please post. According to the Times article, he was burned out and had tried to resign several times in the past, but Jobs urged him to stay. People working closely with Steve Jobs getting burned out is not at all unusual or uncommon. The original Macintosh group at Apple had t-shirts that said "Working 100 hours a week and loving it.".... andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@cubetech.com Subject: Re: Need Faster Screen Refresh and Better Focus. Message-ID: <1993Jan10.214010.17722@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <C0EGyy.HFK@Novell.COM> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:40:10 GMT In article <C0EGyy.HFK@Novell.COM> Tony Wosnjuk writes: > >I just got hold of a NeXTstation COLOR. I was very excited at first. > >Is nice to see some different colors for a change, but my screen is not as >sharp as before (Black and White) and the refresh takes much longer when >going from one application to another. The new windows(open applications) >seems like to row halfway, stop and continue. This is specially true when >openning mail, file viewer, or any app which occupies a big enough part of >the screen. > >Does anybody know what I could do to make the response time of the >interface faster. I have 16M of memory, monitor model no. N4001, . > >Any good tweakers out there. > >Oh, please don't tell me to buy more memory. Buy more memory. The problem is that you are using quite a bit more memory than you have RAM. So what's happening is pages of memory are being stored on disk, and it takes significantly longer to retrieve them. That's why the windows take a long time to "appear." The only other solution is to use less memory. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sunthej@alleg.edu (Jake Blues) Subject: Re:NeXT lex- solution Message-ID: <1993Jan10.224459.2976@pellns.alleg.edu> Sender: news@pellns.alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:44:59 GMT Thank you to all of you who pointed out the cause of the mysterious ommision of the last line of my programs after they were proceessed by lex: The last line was not followed by a newline character. Thanks to all Jake
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: andrew@cubetech.com Subject: Re: Reading data from serial ports Message-ID: <1993Jan10.214647.17818@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1if20rINNfjn@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:46:47 GMT In article <1if20rINNfjn@menudo.uh.edu> sears@uh.edu writes: > >Is there a way to read data in from the serial ports? We have tried >something to the effect of > >cat /dev/ttya | od -c > >but we are not getting any results. We need to grab all data comming in >via either serial port and the data is 8-bit (binary, thus the need to >pipe to od). Can anyone tell me what we are doing wrong? Which of the >ttys would be best to use (ttya, ttyda, ttydfa, ttydfa)? The best way would probably be to get one of the serial port objects. To read the data from the port you basically send a readData: message to the object and pass it a buffer... BenaTong has an object called SerialSolutions. I think it's $50, and it looks easy to use (I have only seen the API - I have not used it). It's probably worth checking it out. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: dictaphone software/hardware Message-ID: <1993Jan10.233436.24031@ms.uky.edu> Date: 10 Jan 93 23:34:35 GMT Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences anyone seen dictaphone software/hardware for the next. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ "There's a reason for everything." Kevin Solie Director of Developement: benchMark Developements, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu Subject: Re: Webster CompactDictionary References: <1993Jan8.045521.5089@samba.oit.unc.edu> Message-ID: <1993Jan10.235159.26668@ms.uky.edu> Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:51:59 GMT David Kelman writes -> While looking through the files on NS 3.0, which I finally received -> Tuesday after a five month wait, I noticed that in Webster's there is both a -> CompactDictionary and a Dictionary. The Compact is 13.6 Meg, while -> Dictionary is 20.3 Meg. Are both necessary, or can I delete the compact and -> free up a lot of space? -> -> David Kelman -> -> -> -- -> The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of -> North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information -> Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. -> internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 I "think" the data is redundant. I've removed the compact dict and have had no prob. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ "There's a reason for everything." Kevin Solie Director of Developement: benchMark Developements, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harryt@world.std.com (Harry D Tirrell) Subject: Exception # Message-ID: <C0nvEL.HCF@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:18:21 GMT Does anyone have an available list of what all the diffferent exception errors are ? Also does anyone have a list of 3.0 bugs and available workarrounds? My machine has been flaky ever since I went to 3.0 harry harryt@world.std.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- harryt@world.std.com All comments are my own and tirrellh@novavax.nova.edu bare no relationship to any
From: michael@stb.info.com (Michael Gersten) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Speed of next CD? Message-ID: <1993Jan10.180508.369@stb.info.com> Date: 10 Jan 93 18:05:08 GMT Organization: Serial Tree BBS, +1 310 319 3778 Does anyone know what the speed of the next CD rom drive is? Both seek time and throughput bytes/sec? Please reply by mail, and I'll summarize. (I'm a month behind reading this stuff) Michael -- Michael Gersten michael@stb.info.com NeXT Registered Developer (NeRD) # 3860 -- Hire me! Quick! Will program computers for food (and net connection, health benefits, cash,...)
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NUCA Summary: NeXT Users' Choice Awards Keywords: NeXT Users' Choice Award Message-ID: <Jan.10.21.37.59.1993.2596@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 02:38:00 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. N U C A NeXT Users' Choice Awards---Thanks to Conrad Geiger for the name! I will take submissions from the net until Jan 23, 1993. All you need to do is send back the form attached below with your favorite software or hardware products for 1992. The subject of the post should be Re: NUCA (or just replying to this post). Send votes to szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu I will post the results and maybe see about getting little trophies or ribbons made up for the winners. This is your chance to reward the great NeXT Developer community by shining some well deserved praise their way. The rules are: - You can only vote once (i.e. one vote per e-mail address). - You can vote for any product you wish; be it from NeXT a 3rd party developer (or those tasty frosted donuts from Hostess under the 'other' category ;-) Finally I made up a logo for the winners to use (if they want to) to let everyone know that they won the NUCA. I'll put it up on both orst and nova. People can let me know if they think it stinks and if so please feel free to make your own (after all it is the U S E R S ' choice award so the users should get involved!). BTW you will need Helvetica-Black and Avant Garde (Book Oblique & Demi Oblique) to see the logo in all of its glory :-) NUCA Form below: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Software a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) DataBase : d.) Developer : e.) DTP : f.) Game : g.) MultiMedia : h.) Spreadsheet : i.) Wordprocessing : j.) Utility : k.) Video : l.) Other : 2.) Overall Software Product of the Year : 3.) Hardware a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) Display : d.) Graphic Input : e.) Mass Storage : f.) Printing/Output : g.) Video : h.) Other : 4.) Overall Hardware Product of the Year : 5.) Overall Product of the Year :
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NUCA Summary: NeXT Users' Choice Awards Keywords: NeXT Users' Choice Awards Message-ID: <Jan.10.21.46.39.1993.2799@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 02:46:40 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. N U C A NeXT Users' Choice Awards---Thanks to Conrad Geiger for the name! I will take submissions from the net until Jan 23, 1993. All you need to do is send back the form attached below with your favorite software or hardware products for 1992. The subject of the post should be Re: NUCA (or just replying to this post). Send votes to szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu I will post the results and maybe see about getting little trophies or ribbons made up for the winners. This is your chance to reward the great NeXT Developer community by shining some well deserved praise their way. The rules are: - You can only vote once (i.e. one vote per e-mail address). - You can vote for any product you wish; be it from NeXT a 3rd party developer (or those tasty frosted donuts from Hostess under the 'other' category ;-) Finally I made up a logo for the winners to use (if they want to) to let everyone know that they won the NUCA. I'll put it up on both orst and nova. People can let me know if they think it stinks and if so please feel free to make your own (after all it is the U S E R S ' choice award so the users should get involved!). BTW you will need Helvetica-Black and Avant Garde (Book Oblique & Demi Oblique) to see the logo in all of its glory :-) NUCA Form below: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Software a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) DataBase : d.) Developer : e.) DTP : f.) Game : g.) MultiMedia : h.) Spreadsheet : i.) Wordprocessing : j.) Utility : k.) Video : l.) Other : 2.) Overall Software Product of the Year : 3.) Hardware a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) Display : d.) Graphic Input : e.) Mass Storage : f.) Printing/Output : g.) Video : h.) Other : 4.) Overall Hardware Product of the Year : 5.) Overall Product of the Year :
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The easy way to install fonts (Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!) Message-ID: <Jan.10.21.54.41.1993.3068@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 02:54:42 GMT References: <978@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1056@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. I have an interesting problem with my fonts... I use a particular font Fritz Quadrata. In all of my regular apps only the bold version of the font appears even though I have both the bold and regular versions installed in my LocalLibary/Fonts directory. However under FrameMaker I can see and use both?! Why would this be so. BTW I'm using NS 3.0 and I've copied the 2.0 version of buildafmdir to my machines so supposedly everything should work... I do have a lot of fonts though, so may more of them are 'missing' but this is the only one I know of. Any ideas? later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Subject: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:55:53 GMT In one of Right Brain Software's ads, it says something like: Come see what sophistication lies beneath the Alternate Key. Well, I thought I would try something. I brought up the INFO panel in PasteUp (v1.1 edit 7) and held down the Alternate Key while clicking on various parts of the INFO panel with the mouse. WOW! To my amazement, the application dock had shifted to the bottom of the screen. More clicking prompted every window on the screen to float around wildly. I urge all owners of PasteUp to try this. Let us know if all versions have this cool "hidden feature". Eric Hermanson MIT NeXT Campus Consultant
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pwm@csis.dit.csiro.au (Peter Milne) Subject: Virtuoso Demo on the Edu Software sampler CD-ROM Message-ID: <1993Jan11.040021.11686@csis.dit.csiro.au> Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:00:21 GMT I'm almost certain that at least once in the past I successfully ran the demo version of Virtuoso off the Educational Software Sampler CD-ROM. Last night I tried to fire it up again with the following result; a Virtuoso miniwindow appears at the bottom of the screen for a few moments then disappears and that's it. No menu appears at all. The system is okay, I can click on the Workspace etc. Has anyone else experienced this behaviour? Is the demo set up to somehow only run once? Peter (milne@csis.dit.csiro.au) PS There were no grumbles on the console either.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Re: dictaphone software/hardware Message-ID: <1993Jan11.032425.28194@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates References: <1993Jan10.233436.24031@ms.uky.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:24:25 GMT In article <1993Jan10.233436.24031@ms.uky.edu> kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu writes: > anyone seen dictaphone software/hardware for the next. Yeah. A project like this was done for the University of MO medical center. Customized mike unit with an interface into the computer (can't remember which port they used though) and some software to go with it that basically emulated exactly what the doctors would do with their traditional Dictaphone. Unfortunately, after dinking around with it for the last year, they decided not to go forward with a purchase. Typical approach and attitude for this part of the country. I think it fell victim to the "champagne appetite on a beer budget" syndrome. John Bartley john@wpa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: death@netcom.com (David Burrowes) Subject: What was the name of the next cd rom of educational stuff? Message-ID: <1993Jan11.055417.28391@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:54:17 GMT If you know what the proper name of the NeXT CD-ROM they made for educational folks, could you just pop me a quick email with the name? I'm trying to get a copy, and need the exact title... Thanks! \dvaid john Burrowes death@kira.net.netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rlabelle@lamar.colostate.edu Subject: Re: New version of Mouse-X front end now available Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Jan11.055717.40471@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:57:17 GMT References: <7283@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Keywords: X11R5, server , MouseX Speaking of X11R5 servers..is one available for "MouseX" that runs on non-turbo color stations ? The X11R5 color turbo version mentioned in the original post didn't work on my non-turbo color machine. The R4 color server that is available on the archive sites has an annoying habit of drawing the vertical borders of windows past the bottom of the window so that you end up with unwanted vertical lines all over the place. Any help is appreciated ! Rob LaBelle Physics Colorado State University Fort Collins CO (NeXTMail OK) rlabelle@lamar.colostate.edu
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Richard Page resigns ... Message-ID: <1065@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 11 Jan 93 07:11:36 GMT References: <93010.134049ASODL@ASUACAD.BITNET> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com ASODL@ASUACAD.BITNET writes > to this also mentioned that he was burnt out and would > probably start a company of his own. Couldn't possibly be true. No one in their right mind who was burnt out would start their own company :-) :-) -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Virtuoso Demo on the Edu Software sampler CD-ROM Message-ID: <1066@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 11 Jan 93 07:22:13 GMT References: <1993Jan11.040021.11686@csis.dit.csiro.au> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Peter Milne writes > I'm almost certain that at least once in the past I successfully ran the > demo version of Virtuoso off the Educational Software Sampler CD-ROM. > Last night I tried to fire it up again with the following result; a > Virtuoso miniwindow appears at the bottom of the screen for a few moments > then disappears and that's it. No menu appears at all. From what I understand, they accidentally put a time-bombed copy on the CD-ROM. It has expired. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Re: The easy way to install fonts (Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!) Message-ID: <1993Jan11.072706.29433@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates References: <Jan.10.21.54.41.1993.3068@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:27:06 GMT In article <Jan.10.21.54.41.1993.3068@gandalf.rutgers.edu> szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > I have an interesting problem with my fonts... > > I use a particular font Fritz Quadrata. In all of my regular apps only the bold version of the font appears even though I have both the bold and regular versions installed in my LocalLibary/Fonts directory. However under FrameMaker I can see and use both?! Why would this be so. BTW I'm using NS 3.0 and I've copied the 2.0 version of buildafmdir to my machines so supposedly everything should work... I do have a lot of fonts though, so may more of them are 'missing' but this is the only one I know of. > Any ideas? You can turn this around, too. A client of mine bought Helvetica Fractions to use with FrameMaker. EVERY NeXT app they have sees Helvetica Fractions in the font panel except for FrameMaker. We asked RightBrain about this and they said it was Frame's fault - ask Frame. We asked Frame about it and guess what? They said ask Rightbrain. I don't know enough about the inner workings of all the font family name stuff, but based on the response that I saw in an earlier post today, this may be the work around that will allow it to be used within FrameMaker. It may be more trouble than it's worth though, because when the stuff goes to the printer, whatever Helvetica Fractions is changed too will have to be changed back. So, a pox upon Frame for their font panel, and a pox upon RightBrain for not living up to their support promise. John Bartley john@wpa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hallan@cix.compulink.co.uk (Hugh Allan) Subject: FLIPlay Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:14:00 +0000 Message-ID: <memo.854638@cix.compulink.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Howdy Space Cadets, just uploaded to nova.cc.purdue.edu fliplay.compressed, in the submissions directory. This little funbundle plays AutoDesk FLI files, well, most of them. I'm working on it OK. It's the first release and it needs all sorts of stuff done to it, but it does work. _________________________________________________________ / Hugh Allan, Hacker, lay-about, devil child, fat bastard \ / , man who would have been president but for that fateful \ \ night. "Jesus built my NeXTstation"/ \_________________________________________________________/
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The easy way to install fonts (Re: Good NeXT ps font collection loaded to sonata!) Message-ID: <1067@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 11 Jan 93 13:07:58 GMT References: <1993Jan11.072706.29433@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com John Bartley writes > You can turn this around, too. A client of mine bought Helvetica > Fractions to use with FrameMaker. EVERY NeXT app they have sees > Helvetica Fractions in the font panel except for FrameMaker. We asked > RightBrain about this and they said it was Frame's fault - ask Frame. > We asked Frame about it and guess what? They said ask Rightbrain. > > So, a pox upon Frame for their font panel, and a pox upon RightBrain > for not living up to their support promise. Anything but the pox! Besides, Frame didn't live up to their support promise, either, and it's their problem, actually. FrameMaker does not use the NeXT font panel, and in so doing introduces all kinds of bugs. For example, when I launch FrameMaker on my machine, the default font is Times Phonetic instead of Times Roman. Times Phonetic, as you might imagine, is unreadable, since it's got weird letters as used in dictionaries. They don't cope well with weird font naming conventions. I was not aware that you contacted us with poor results, but we actually did not steer you wrong, technically speaking. It is Frame's bug, as is evidenced by the fact that the fonts work in every other application just fine. The fact that Frame does not know about it or how to fix it is another issue. We have done a lot of free technical support for Frame, who have not had a good track record in acknowledging and fixing this problem. We will continue to support our fonts under FrameMaker, but it is time-consuming and difficult, and their font mechanism is not documented or particularly well supported. It's a process of trial and error. Having the latest version of FrameMaker helps quite a bit, but they still haven't got it completely right. In any case, I would like to lift the pox from RightBrain and help you. I have just verified on my system that Helvetica Fractions doesn't work in the latest version of FrameMaker, even with the custom "fontlist" file that we have, which means that it isn't because you don't have the latest version of everything. I'll contact you over Email to sort it out. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: gerilla!mgilula@uunet.UU.NET (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT drops?? NeXTWorld? Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:38:11 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9301111112.AA01326@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us> Please respond to the group or to me privately if you have any accurate information on this. I have no intention of dropping my support for NeXT, but am interested in what this means and if it also means that NeXT is dropping support for NeXTWorld Expo? Or is this just some of the vapor that drifts around in our multi-talented, robust, and impecunious community. -73- --- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** Virtual Virtual Realities, German Shepherds, and Steinbergers.
From: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP 3.0 Demo questions Message-ID: <4558@cvbnetPrime.COM> Date: 11 Jan 93 14:41:55 GMT Sender: postnews@cvbnetPrime.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Computervision hi! A couple of questions aboud the demos: 1. Under 2.1, I had a Datebook and Movie demos, which seem to have been wiped out when I upgraded to 3.0. Are these supposed to be there? or am I supposed to get them from the ftp sites? 2. Can the CD player Demo play an Audio CD thru' the NextStation built-in speakers? I got the suggestion (from the help/info/manuals) that it should, but I can't actually get this to happen... Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730 fax: (617) 275-8506
From: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Disk wildness... Message-ID: <4559@cvbnetPrime.COM> Date: 11 Jan 93 14:47:46 GMT Sender: postnews@cvbnetPrime.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Computervision Ever since I upgraded to 3.0 from 2.1, I noticed a couple of things that seem to have worsened: 1. applications seem to take a lot longer to launch 2. my external harddisk seems to spin wildly a lot, often even when I'm not running anything serious or typing at all. I have a NeXTStation with 20MB RAM, 660 MB external disk and 105 MB internal; my file systems are on the external, and the swap on the internal. With 20MB, I would expect none of the above 2 problems to show up.. Any help will be appreciated... (Also, I vaguely remember seeing similar questions quite a while back, but at that time I didn't save the messages... could someone send me any discussion they saved?) Thanks. Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730 fax: (617) 275-8506
From: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TeXView and BIBINPUTS problem Keywords: NS 3.0 Message-ID: <4557@cvbnetPrime.COM> Date: 11 Jan 93 14:38:49 GMT Sender: postnews@cvbnetPrime.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Computervision hi! When I run the "bibtex" command thru' TeXView, my ".bib" files are not found; seems like TeXView is not able to read the BIBINPUTS (nor TEXINPUTS) environment variables... Is that the case? or something else wrong? (bibtex runs fine when I run it thru' a shell window, or thru' TeXMenu) Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730 fax: (617) 275-8506
From: brueck@inm.uni-sb.de (Stefan Brueck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: syquest compatability? (with MSDOS?) Date: 11 Jan 93 16:25:43 Organization: Institute for New Materials (INM), Saarbr"ucken, Germany. Message-ID: <BRUECK.93Jan11162543@inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de> References: <1ilbp7INN18u@shelley.u.washington.edu> In-reply-to: kcarroll@stein.u.washington.edu's message of 9 Jan 1993 02:03:19 GMT how is it possible to change data with a MSDOS computer via the syquest media? i tried to read a MSDOS syquest disk in a next with the mtools package (works fine with floppies), but i had no success... thanks for help stefan --
Institut fuer Neue Materialien (INM) # Universitaet des Saarlandes, Geb. 43 # Phone: +49 681 302 5086 Stefan Brueck # E-Mail (Internet): brueck@inm.uni-sb.de W-6600 Saarbruecken (Germany) # ############################################################################## #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: billb@nasty (Bill Burcham) Subject: Re: Richard Page resigns ... Message-ID: <1993Jan11.151639.22215@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <93010.134049ASODL@ASUACAD.BITNET> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:16:39 GMT In article <93010.134049ASODL@ASUACAD.BITNET> ASODL@ASUACAD.BITNET writes: <<munch>> > In addition to the information you listed about Richard Page's resignation, the > blurb in the Friday, Jan. 8th edition of the Tempe Tribune (Tempe, AZ) relative > to this also mentioned that he was burnt out and would probably start a company > of his own. <<munch>> Yeah, that's what I do when I'm burnt out -- I go start a company. |:^> -- +--------------------------------+----------------------------------+ | Bill Burcham | "Make no small plans; they have | | First National Bank of Chicago | no magic to stir men's souls" | | billb@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | Daniel J. Burnham | +--------------------------------+----------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: dictaphone software/hardware Message-ID: <C0p6qu.4C1@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <1993Jan11.032425.28194@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:20:52 GMT In article <1993Jan11.032425.28194@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > In article <1993Jan10.233436.24031@ms.uky.edu> > kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu writes: > > anyone seen dictaphone software/hardware for the next. > > Yeah. A project like this was done for the University of MO medical > center. Customized mike unit with an interface into the computer (can't > remember which port they used though) and some software to go with it > that basically emulated exactly what the doctors would do with their > traditional Dictaphone. Unfortunately, after dinking around with it for > the last year, they decided not to go forward with a purchase. Typical > approach and attitude for this part of the country. I think it fell > victim to the "champagne appetite on a beer budget" syndrome. > > John Bartley > john@wpa.com The actual box exists and there has been a preliminary production run of the device that the radiology dept at Washington Hospital. I've been busy with other matters and the holidays, but hold on for a couple more weeks. HSD may sell the device which currently supports Sanyo handsets and footpedals off the shelf as well as other devices. For Wash we used Lanier handsets (that require a cable-end modification) and it worked great. If you'ld like more information, you can ask me directly (expect a 3-4 day turnaround back to you) or watch .announce for a product announcement. peter peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NUCA Summary: NeXT Users' Choice Award Keywords: NeXT Users' Choice Award Message-ID: <Jan.11.13.09.57.1993.8788@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 18:09:57 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi, I forgot to EXPLICITLY mention this in the previous post so... The competition is open to Shareware/Freeware software too. So if you love a non-commercial piece of software/(I dont think anyone is giving away hardware :) dont hesitate to nominate it for product of the year! These guys really deserve praise for donating (in many cases) their talent to the NeXT community. ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------- N U C A NeXT Users' Choice Awards---Thanks to Conrad Geiger for the name! I will take submissions from the net until Jan 23, 1993. All you need to do is send back the form attached below with your favorite software or hardware products for 1992. The subject of the post should be Re: NUCA (or just replying to this post). Send votes to szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu I will post the results and maybe see about getting little trophies or ribbons made up for the winners. This is your chance to reward the great NeXT Developer community by shining some well deserved praise their way. The rules are: - You can only vote once (i.e. one vote per e-mail address). - You can vote for any product you wish; be it from NeXT a 3rd party developer (or those tasty frosted donuts from Hostess under the 'other' category ;-) Finally I made up a logo for the winners to use (if they want to) to let everyone know that they won the NUCA. I'll put it up on both orst and nova. People can let me know if they think it stinks and if so please feel free to make your own (after all it is the U S E R S ' choice award so the users should get involved!). BTW you will need Helvetica-Black and Avant Garde (Book Oblique & Demi Oblique) to see the logo in all of its glory :-) NUCA Form below: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Software a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) DataBase : d.) Developer : e.) DTP : f.) Game : g.) MultiMedia : h.) Spreadsheet : i.) Wordprocessing : j.) Utility : k.) Video : l.) Other : 2.) Overall Software Product of the Year : 3.) Hardware a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) Display : d.) Graphic Input : e.) Mass Storage : f.) Printing/Output : g.) Video : h.) Other : 4.) Overall Hardware Product of the Year : 5.) Overall Product of the Year :
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: kthompso@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kelly Thompson) Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Sender: news@acs.ucalgary.ca (USENET News System) Message-ID: <93Jan11.174733.23721@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:47:33 GMT References: <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta In article <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >Well, I thought I would try something. I brought up the INFO >panel in PasteUp (v1.1 edit 7) and held down the Alternate >Key while clicking on various parts of the INFO panel with >the mouse. WOW! To my amazement, the application dock had >shifted to the bottom of the screen. More clicking prompted >every window on the screen to float around wildly. > I was nosing around the app wrapper and found the 3 eps files that did this little magic. I hadn't seen the effect yet and wondered why they were there. Kelly
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Chicago NeXT Users Group (ChiNUG) - January 13 meeting Message-ID: <6208@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 11 Jan 93 18:35:28 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM The January meeting of the Chicago NeXT Users Group (ChiNUG) will be this Wednesday, January 13, at 7pm in room A310 of Northwestern University's Technological Institute. This month: PasteUp from RightBrain Questor and Graphity from Xanthus Steve Jobs Video Raffles for priceless objects! For more info, contact Joe Yoon, ChiNUG coordinator 708-332-1340, Email: onyx@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) Subject: Re: Richard Page resigns ... Message-ID: <1993Jan11.201309.5914@ornl.gov> Sender: usenet@ornl.gov (News poster) Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory References: <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:13:09 GMT In article <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > From San Francisco Chronicle Business Section B2, Jan 9, 93. > > Co-Founder Resignes Post At Next Inc. > (Stuff omittem) I was contacted about this today (for some unknown reason) by John Verity (sp?) of Business Week. They are preparing an article on NeXT's survivability based on this resignation and other rumours, I guess. He was very interested in whether I knew of plans to make large purchases of NeXTs soon. I mentioned some I knew of and, of course, touted the platform and software a great deal. He was very interested in whether any developers had any inside info on NeXT plans (I'm clue-less). - - - - - - - - - J. W. Wooten
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.wanted,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: georgen@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (G. Ng) Subject: Bar code software that outputs to Postscript file? Message-ID: <C0pHz1.En6@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:23:25 GMT Is there any software for the PC or NeXT that can create bar codes and output the barcodes as postscript (ps or eps) files, rather than just simply printing them out on the printer? I'd like to incorporate the barcode into a document created by Adobe Illustrator or something similar. any info. appreciated. thanks gn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hallan@cix.compulink.co.uk (Hugh Allan) Subject: Help! Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:38:00 +0000 Message-ID: <memo.856984@cix.compulink.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk I think I understand NXImages, but I'll tell you because you understand these things. I have an App, FLI-Play, which displays generated bitmap data. The source image is data in VGA format, you know the sort of thing, 256 colour palette from 1/4 mil colours. So I take this data and convert it to a 24 bit NXBitmapImageRep and drawAt the changed data to screen. All fine so far. The problem is it's just so damn slow, the transfer rate (NXPings are used to provide non jerky animation), is 2 to 8 frames to second, which is pretty lousy. 70 frames per second is what I want really as the player can display more than FLI, so faster the better. I could make some improvements to the change optimization, but I still won't get any better than a two times speed up I imagine. What I could so with is a postscript context to composite from, but as I understand it, what NXImages so is draw into an offscreen cache, and use that for compositing later. I only use the image once, so this is no use to me. I'm a bit stuck. I'm using a NeXTstation colour non-turbo. --- Hugh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Important Information About DFax Message-ID: <tlm.726792207@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Keywords: Supra, Fax, DFax Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:43:27 GMT As promised in an earlier post, today I called Total Systems Software to check on the status of the long-overdue DFax software, which is supposed to provide Send/Receive capabilities for NeXTs using Supra v32 and v32bis data/Fax modems (as well as support features like "silent answer" and eventually voicemail). I got the famous "emily@tss.com" on the line, and after identifying myself and my mission she said, "Well, don't drop dead or anything..." ("Uh oh, here it comes," I thought, "they've gone belly up") "we're shipping." "You're what?" "We're shipping. The discs are here and when I leave this afternoon I'll be dropping a load off to go out. We expect to have all of the original orders out in the next 3 days." After all this time it was more than I could handle in a single sitting. I asked her repeatedly if she was sure and she said up, down and sideways that she was (I then had her recheck my address and phone # just so some- other poltergeist can't get in the way). So..... I'm going to be camping by the old mailbox for the next few days. Will post a review of the soft- ware once it arrives, by Emily says it does everything that was promised, (which means it's dynamite!) and all of the testers thus far have loved it. Can it be that sometimes things do work out? Hope this cheers up a few people out there ---- tom
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Garfinkel & Mahoney's book : please post ordering info Message-ID: <6231@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 11 Jan 93 23:24:05 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Here is the full order information, press release and early comments on Garfinkel & Mahoney's great new NeXTSTEP 3.0 programming book. Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Groups _____________________________________________________________ News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Allan M. Wylde, Publisher TELOS, The Electronic Library of Science (408) 249-9314 First Book on Programming in NeXTSTEP Release 3.0 Published by TELOS Santa Clara, Calif., December 18, 1992 - TELOS (The Electronic Library of Science) announced today that it has released NeXTSTEP Programming-STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Applications, by Simson L. Garfinkel and Michael K. 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About the Authors Simson Garfinkel is Senior Editor at NeXTWORLD Magazine and an experienced NeXTSTEP developer. He is also the co-author of Practical UNIX Security. Michael Mahoney is professor and chair of the Computer Engineering and Computer Science Department at California State University, Long Beach, and is president of the Southern California NeXTSTEP Users Group (SCaN). About TELOS TELOS is an imprint of Springer-Verlag New York, with publishing facilities at 3600 Pruneridge Avenue, Suite 200, Santa Clara, Calif. 95051. Its publishing domain encompasses the natural and physical sciences, computer science, mathematics, and engineering. TELOS strives to wed the traditional print medium with the emerging electronic media to provide the reader with a truly interactive multimedia information environment. All TELOS publications delivered on paper come with an associated electronic component. A limited number of review copies are available. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hsr@cs.Stanford.EDU (Scott Roy) Subject: Horizontal Scrolling in Edit.app? Message-ID: <1993Jan11.235653.12255@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:56:53 GMT Hi Everyone, Does anyone know a way to scroll text horizontally in Edit.app? I have a very large listing from a database, one record per line; each record is several hundred characters wide. It's nice to look at the document without line wraps so that the database fields line up in columns, but the lack of scrolling make it impossible in Edit.app. Suggestions? Does anyone know of a different program that will do what I need? Scott
From: penney@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu (Chris Penney) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <1isu89INNhp6@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 23:01:29 GMT References: <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Michigan State University Gee, how do I get my dock to always stay on the bottom? -=Chris=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Lansky) Subject: Micropolis 2gig drive problems Message-ID: <1993Jan11.221635.25706@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:16:35 GMT We just took delivery of a Micropolis ASI-500L 2 Gig (formats to 1.7 gig) drive. It is plug and play and comes up with no problems. What is wrong is that it is quite slow on non sequential transfers. That is cating a big file to /dev/null (using dd) yields only about a 400kbyte per second transfer rate. This is very slow. Our wrenVII gives us almost a meg a second under these conditions. The NeXT disk utility program, on the other hand shows a 1.5 meg per second transfer on sequential transfers, but this is not how life works. The disk is formatted at 512k. Anyone have any experiences or recommendations on this? Thanks Paul Lansky paul@princeton.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: David.Kelman@launchpad.unc.edu (David Kelman) Subject: Disk space Message-ID: <1993Jan12.004744.10378@samba.oit.unc.edu> Sender: usenet@samba.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:47:44 GMT This will probably sound like a very naive question, but I am a novice at Unix and the NeXT. According to Workspace, I have 133 Meg free on my disk. According to Inspector, the entire file system is taking up 222 Meg. I have a 406 Meg disk, formatted as per norm (512K blocks), and that is what is reported as it's size when I boot up the machine. Where are the other 51 Meg? David Kelman -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <C0pv1n.Fry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:05:32 GMT zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >I urge all owners of PasteUp to try this. Let us know if all >versions have this cool "hidden feature". What really needs to be tested is the reasoning behind the need for any of this to be done at all when everyone can do it themselves. Also, why would any of this be necessary by PasteUp? I'll save my $600 and pay myself every time I move the dock down or shuffle windows about the screen. -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail ok
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: .nfs*** files getting left all over Message-ID: <7325@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 00:08:58 GMT Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, UCSB I am finding lots of files named .nfs*** (usually *** = numbers) left around on our filesystem. They seem to be created when using <command>-r to delete files that are on remote filesystems, and I am not sure, but it appears that they do not clear up on their own. I found that I needed to cmd-r the files, and then cmd-r the .nfs files as well! This is definitely new to 3.0 -- anyone have an explanation or suggestion for this? I assume it is some nfs weirdness. Thanks! -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <1993Jan12.035933.27818@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology References: <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> <C0pv1n.Fry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:59:33 GMT In article <C0pv1n.Fry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes: >zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>I urge all owners of PasteUp to try this. Let us know if all >>versions have this cool "hidden feature". > >What really needs to be tested is the reasoning behind the need for >any of this to be done at all when everyone can do it themselves. >Also, why would any of this be necessary by PasteUp? I'll save my >$600 and pay myself every time I move the dock down or shuffle windows >about the screen. >-- >-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) >-- NeXTmail ok Boy Jeff, why don't you take a deep breath and lighten up a bit. Eric
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:48:36 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <1itij4INNt3c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> <C0pv1n.Fry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan12.035933.27818@athena.mit.edu> In article <1993Jan12.035933.27818@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >In article <C0pv1n.Fry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes: >>zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>>I urge all owners of PasteUp to try this. Let us know if all >>>versions have this cool "hidden feature". >>What really needs to be tested is the reasoning behind the need for >>any of this to be done at all when everyone can do it themselves. >>Also, why would any of this be necessary by PasteUp? I'll save my >>$600 and pay myself every time I move the dock down or shuffle windows >>about the screen. >>-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) >>-- NeXTmail ok >Boy Jeff, why don't you take a deep breath and lighten up a bit. Right-on! There's a couple of folks who seem to find fault with just about everything that RightBrain does. What's wrong with a little surprise fun in an app? If you don't agree with the price, don't buy it. And Jeff's recent complaint about sexist ads seems pretty weak also. I really don't find a woman with a green right eye and brown left eye holding a French horn in Chromagrafx' PixelMaster ad in NeXTWORLD to be a particularly sexist ad. Maybe Chromagrafx was just demonstrating how PixelMaster could change eye colorings :-) -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
From: george@ucs.ubc.ca (George Chow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SoftPc Professional Message-ID: <1itj6rINNqqh@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: 12 Jan 93 04:59:07 GMT References: <1993Jan7.012140.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> <1993Jan8.023036.24274@afit.af.mil> Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada In article <1993Jan8.023036.24274@afit.af.mil> johair@afit.af.mil (John R. O'hair) writes: >adunn@fnalo.fnal.gov writes: >>I saw the ad in the latest NeXTWorld for SoftPC Professional. Has anyone tried >>it yet? How well does it work under NeXTStep 2.1? > >I called yesterday. It's not out yet. Should be released by the end of >January. They are taking orders, and if your upgrading its $100. So what makes this "professional"? Does it run at a realistic so that a even professional would actually use it? :) And what about the promise of the free 3.0 SoftPC upgrade for people who bought the academic bundle back way in '90? (Did Insignia changed the name to get out of that?) George
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: how to read next mail, inquiry Message-ID: <43362@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 04:32:30 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Can anyone tell me how to read NeXTmail when I can only get copies of NeXTmail via modem from a nonNEXT machine? Here's what happens: I log on to the mainframe at school by using my modem under Terminal to dial up. I check my non-NeXT mail and find that some nice person has written stuff to me with a NeXTattachment. So how do I look at this object? I've tried saving it as a file, and moving it over to my next, but when I open it, it's still garbage. I've tried pasting the garbagy looking part (from 'begin' to 'end' statements) into an active.mbox in the hopes of fooling my NeXT into opening it as NeXTmail, but it seems to know better :-( Am I just missing the obvious? Any suggestions or solutions appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu post or non-NeXT mail please :-), thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <1993Jan12.062251.4951@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology References: <C0pv1n.Fry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan12.035933.27818@athena.mit.edu> <1itij4INNt3c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:22:51 GMT In article <1itij4INNt3c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: > >In article <1993Jan12.035933.27818@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>In article <C0pv1n.Fry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes: >>>zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>>>I urge all owners of PasteUp to try this. Let us know if all >>>>versions have this cool "hidden feature". > >>>What really needs to be tested is the reasoning behind the need for >>>any of this to be done at all when everyone can do it themselves. >>>Also, why would any of this be necessary by PasteUp? I'll save my >>>$600 and pay myself every time I move the dock down or shuffle windows >>>about the screen. > >>>-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) >>>-- NeXTmail ok > >>Boy Jeff, why don't you take a deep breath and lighten up a bit. > >Right-on! There's a couple of folks who seem to find fault with just about >everything that RightBrain does. What's wrong with a little surprise fun in >an app? If you don't agree with the price, don't buy it. > >And Jeff's recent complaint about sexist ads seems pretty weak also. I really >don't find a woman with a green right eye and brown left eye holding a French >horn in Chromagrafx' PixelMaster ad in NeXTWORLD to be a particularly sexist >ad. Maybe Chromagrafx was just demonstrating how PixelMaster could change eye >colorings :-) >-- > >Art Isbell Cubic Solutions I second that motion. That ad was FAR from sexist. Oh, but Jeff if probably right. That French horn is a phallic symbol, right? And the woman was forced to pose for that picture under duress, right Jeff? She was USED by the male-dominated system, according to Jeff. COME ON! Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: No loginwindow!!! Help with loginwindow.app Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:57:34 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan12.055734.4013@cyantic.com> I think I overwrote the loginwindow applicatiion binary with a loginwindow.tiff file. At any rate, my TC boots properly, but no loginwindow appears on the screen. I am sure the system is fully booted since rlogin and all standard UNIX operations work perfectly. The binary for loginwindow is now 49714 K large and its date is about the time I was fooling around with loginwindows. Is this correct or wrong? Can someone email to me /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/loginwindow ? I should be able to put the app back in its place and be merrily on my way. Alternatively, I have been trying to mount the 3.0 CDROM with no success. I am told there is no device at /dev/sd1 to mount. If I could mount the CD, I could copy in loginwindow from there. Hope someone can help. -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Toby Paterson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: .nfs*** files getting left all over Date: 12 Jan 1993 07:03:24 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <1itqfsINNdes@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <7325@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> In article <7325@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: > I am finding lots of files named .nfs*** (usually *** = numbers) left around > on our filesystem. They seem to be created when using <command>-r to delete > files that are on remote filesystems, and I am not sure, but it appears that > they do not clear up on their own. > I have this line in my daily script file: # Clean out old .nfs files. find / -name .nfs\* -mtime +7 -exec rm -f {} \; -o -fstype nfs -prune I know I didn't put it there, so I assume it came with the system. This command will search the entire file system for any and all .nfs*** files which have been modified in the past week and remove them. X -- \\ / Who: Toby Paterson \\/ How: tpaterso@cs.ubc.ca, paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca //\ What: Grunt and NeXT hacker; GDSS Fellowship // \ Where: University of British Columbia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: how to read next mail, inquiry Message-ID: <1993Jan12.064808.24875@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <43362@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:48:08 GMT In article <43362@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou) writes: >Here's what happens: I log on to the mainframe at school by >using my modem under Terminal to dial up. I check my non-NeXT >mail and find that some nice person has written stuff to me >with a NeXTattachment. So how do I look at this object? > >I've tried saving it as a file, and moving it over to my next, but >when I open it, it's still garbage. Don't do that. :-) (But it doesn't hurt anything.) >I've tried pasting the garbagy looking part (from 'begin' to 'end' >statements) into an active.mbox in the hopes of fooling my NeXT >into opening it as NeXTmail, but it seems to know better :-( Big mistake here. >Am I just missing the obvious? Probably. Take the entire message (that's everything beginning with and including the "From " line) and append it to your incoming mailbox, which is normally /usr/spool/mail/username (where "username" is replaced with your login name). Then launch NeXT Mail. It doesn't matter how the message got there, as long as it's in the right place. Basically, you want to take all your NeXT Mail messages on the remote system and save them to a [UNIX mbox format] file. It's OK to save several messages into one file. Transfer that file to your NeXT (by whatever means), and do cat mailfile >>/usr/spool/mail/username ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ whatever whatever -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Starting Workspace session from csh Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:19:25 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan12.071925.4391@cyantic.com> I would like to start a Workspace session after logging in at the Console using a character login. I modified /etc/ttys to accomplish this according to the instructions there. What is the command sequence to get the window server and workspace running? All of this is related to my earlier posting about destroying the loginwindow application binary and not being able to mount the 3.0 CDROM manually in order to get the loginwindow app from the distribution. Thanks -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: strobel@stein.u.washington.edu (Nicolas Strobel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: making TeXview use screen resolution fonts Summary: how make TeXview use fonts for screen resolution? Keywords: TeX fonts Message-ID: <1itqcuINNajd@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 07:01:50 GMT Article-I.D.: shelley.1itqcuINNajd Organization: University of Washington All the postings I saved about how to make TeXview/dvips create fonts for the resolution of the screen (instead of a 300 dpi laserprinter) have disappeared (along with a bunch of other stuff!). Can someone email me instructions? Thank you nick strobel strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu
From: eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no (Eystein Dugstad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is it possible to order by e-mail instead of 1-800-879-NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan12.085843.24709@alf.uib.no> Date: 12 Jan 93 08:58:43 GMT Sender: usenet@alf.uib.no (Bergen University Newsaccount) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway 1-800 numbers are great - for people in North America. For us living overseas who cannot dial them they are not so good. Therefore, I wonder if it is possible to place an order at NeXT Inc. by email. Thanks in advance Eystein Dugstad University of Bergen, Norway
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vasco@bvl.pt (antonio vasconcelos) Subject: Re: Running PPP on the NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan11.191806.14184@bvl.pt> Organization: Bolsa de Valores de Lisboa References: <1993Jan7.232611.3822@ifi.unizh.ch> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:18:06 GMT : There is a next-ppp package at merit.edu, with all the binaries, and some Can you give the filename, please... thanks in advance... -- regards, ____ |/asco ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Eric.M.Hermanson@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS3.0 GOLD .VS GREEN????!!! Message-ID: <141864.2B51DD6C@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 10 Jan 93 20:12:00 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/236 - MacCircles, Genesee CO -- Eric M Hermanson - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Eric.M.Hermanson@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@cubetech.com Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <1993Jan12.130910.2110@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> <93Jan11.174733.23721@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:09:10 GMT In article <93Jan11.174733.23721@acs.ucalgary.ca> kthompso@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kelly Thompson) writes: >In article <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>Well, I thought I would try something. I brought up the INFO >>panel in PasteUp (v1.1 edit 7) and held down the Alternate >>Key while clicking on various parts of the INFO panel with >>the mouse. WOW! To my amazement, the application dock had >>shifted to the bottom of the screen. More clicking prompted >>every window on the screen to float around wildly. >> > >I was nosing around the app wrapper and found the 3 eps files >that did this little magic. I hadn't seen the effect yet and >wondered why they were there. Yeah, they used to be called Dock_Hack1.eps and other equally suspicious names until Glenn changed them.... andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: honor@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Honor) Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <1993Jan12.144104.18697@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035 References: <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> <93Jan11.174733.23721@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:41:04 GMT In article <93Jan11.174733.23721@acs.ucalgary.ca> kthompso@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kelly Thompson) writes: >In article <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>Well, I thought I would try something. I brought up the INFO >>panel in PasteUp (v1.1 edit 7) and held down the Alternate >>Key while clicking on various parts of the INFO panel with >>the mouse. WOW! To my amazement, the application dock had >>shifted to the bottom of the screen. More clicking prompted >>every window on the screen to float around wildly. >> > >I was nosing around the app wrapper and found the 3 eps files >that did this little magic. I hadn't seen the effect yet and >wondered why they were there. > >Kelly > > > After reading this I, of course, had to try the alt key for myself. When I brought up the Info Panel and held down the alt key and selected the upper right hand quadrant with the mouse everything on the screen except the dock slowly melted. Pretty cool. /alex
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: honor@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Honor) Subject: Animation programs? Message-ID: <1993Jan12.164423.24432@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035 Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:44:23 GMT Hi all, I have been noticing the various 3d modeling applications coming out recently and have heard that some of them have animation capabilities. Has anyone had experience with any of these apps? What about full featured animation programs like Animo? Has Animo been released and if so what is the cost? I am primarily interested in 2D animation but also have interest in 3D. I would be glad to summarize any information I recieve. /alex ________________________________________________________ e-mail--->honor@george.arc.nasa.gov
From: tg@chmsr.gatech.edu (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fax software for SupraFAX: an update Message-ID: <79860@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 12 Jan 93 15:47:08 GMT Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Center for Human-Machine Systems Research - Georgia Tech I heard from two people that DFax is shipping. I hope to get my (pre-ordered) copy in about a week. I don't know what the current price is, but you can probably contact them at emily@totsyssoft.com. I also heard from Linda Rosen of Black & White Software (see excerpts below). You can send her mail (linda@bandw.com) to get on their mailing list. It looks like we will have a choice really soon! govind __________ We are nearly ready with version 1.03 of NXFax which will fully support not only the ZyXEL modem, but also the Supra and Telebit fax modems. We have been selling version 1.02 of NXFax (with support only for the ZyXEL modem) for the past year. Version 1.03 of NXFax should be ready in February, we are currently in beta tests with it. Black & White Software ___________ -- T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873 tg@chmsr.gatech.edu,NeXTmail welcome. Member, League for Programming Freedom (write lpf@uunet.uu.net) School of Industrial and Systems Engineering, Georgia Institute of Technology 765 Ferst Drive, ISyE-0205, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Subject: UUCP Mail feed Message-ID: <1993Jan12.155148.28881@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. A while back there was an article in NeXTWORLD all about places Rob Parkhill Distribution: na Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:51:48 GMT This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sircomp@bcarh289.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) Subject: Re: UUCP Mail feed Message-ID: <1993Jan12.160434.29178@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. References: <1993Jan12.155148.28881@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:04:34 GMT Hi All: A while back there was an article in NeXTWORLD all about places where one could get Internet access from. Unfortunately, I'm now in Ottawa and my back-issues are in Calgary. Could some kind soul please send me some numbers to call for info in the Ottawa region? Or maybe a 1-800 number. What I would like to have is simply a UUCP mail feed that I could dial in to a couple of times a day and grab my mail. I have mail at work, but I want to have my NeXTmail back! :-) ANY help or hints will be greatly appreciated! Please post the info, since my mail here at work is currently "under construction" (Love that paper-work) bye... Rob Parkhill
From: bryant@math.duke.edu (Robert Bryant) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing Even or Odd Pages using dvips Keywords: dvips, TeX Message-ID: <8519@news.duke.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 17:14:31 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Distribution: usa I know that this has come up before, but I couldn't find any mention of it in the FAQ on nova and couldn't remember what the resolution of the problem was. I need to be able to print just the even or the odd pages of a long dvi file (so that I can Xerox double-sided copies) and this option does not seem to be available in dvips. Is there a header file that I can load which will redefine the showpage command so that it only prints the even or odd pages? I am sure that this can be done, but I don't want to have to write the PostScript header myself if someone else has already done it. If someone has done this, I would appreciate getting a copy of the header file that you use. Yours, Robert Bryant bryant@math.duke.edu
From: hogan@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Emmett Hogan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT biff Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:50:15 -0800 Organization: Anterior Technology, Menlo Park, CA, USA Message-ID: <1iv3t7INN2sg@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> Keywords: biff, mail notification Hi All, Is there a NeXT program like xbiff? Basically, something that can run on the NeXT that my mail comes in on, but display an icon on my machine that will notify me of incoming mail. Right now, I have a window open on the mail host and run "biff y" in that window...I would really like something a bit more NeXTish. Any pointers would be helpful. Thanks, Emmett
From: perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Canon BJ10 with Dots Message-ID: <1iv3mhINNd2v@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 18:46:41 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University Originator: perkins@indian.cps.msu.edu I reviewed the 91 archives (couldn't find the 92 yet :-) but didn't find an answer. If you use the Canon BJ10 bubble jet printer with the Dots software, are you happy with the results?? I am also curious as to how you cabled the sucker. As I understand it, the printer does not support serial communications. Are you using a special cable from the printer port?? I'll post a summary if there is enough interest. If one has already been posted, a copy would be appreciated. All info will be sincerely appreciated! Thanks, Steve -- ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <1068@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 12 Jan 93 19:24:31 GMT References: <1itij4INNt3c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Art Isbell writes > > And Jeff's recent complaint about sexist ads seems pretty weak also. > I really don't find a woman with a green right eye and brown left > eye holding a French horn in Chromagrafx' PixelMaster ad in > NeXTWORLD to be a particularly sexist ad. Maybe Chromagrafx > was just demonstrating how PixelMaster could change eye > colorings :-) Using a human face and a piece of metal (the french horn) are deliberate because these are some of the most difficult things to get right when printing color photographs. They chose their image because it showed off their ability to create great color separations that will print in very convincing colors. The french horn really looks like brass, and the woman's skin is a very accurate color. If you're a serious customer for an image editing program, you know about that. The trick of making each eye a different color was also a demonstration of what the software can do. It's not sexist. In a photograph of a human being (which was a good and deliberate choice), you only have two options: male and female. If you choose female, you're sexist? I don't think so. It is a relatively tasteful photograph, and it got the point across. If you want to see sexist advertising, open any women's magazine. Thanks for the post, Art. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed Faught) Subject: Re: NeXT biff Message-ID: <1993Jan12.194135.17467@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: usenet@sunova.ssc.gov (News Admin) Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory References: <1iv3t7INN2sg@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:41:35 GMT In article <1iv3t7INN2sg@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> hogan@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Emmett Hogan) writes: >Hi All, > >Is there a NeXT program like xbiff? One way would be to create a .forward file on the mail host to send the mail on over to your NeXT. The NeXT Mail app icon then shows pages coming out of the envelope when mail has arrived. -- Ed Faught WA9WDM faught@berserk.ssc.gov Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
From: droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: need a cheapter database Message-ID: <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 18:39:45 GMT Sender: news@cs.umb.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston Are there any databases for the NeXT which are cheaper than Sybase and Oracle and can still be used by an Objective-C app via DBKit?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Re: dictaphone software/hardware Message-ID: <1993Jan12.132006.17348@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. References: <1993Jan10.233436.24031@ms.uky.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:20:06 GMT In article <1993Jan10.233436.24031@ms.uky.edu> kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu writes: --| anyone seen dictaphone software/hardware for the next. --| --| -- --| _______________________________________________________________________________ --| "There's a reason for everything." --| --| Kevin Solie --| Director of Developement: benchMark Developements, Inc. PhrasePlayer from Teledia should interrest you. Teledia is a french firm, but you can order to NeXTconnection. See your old issues of NeXTworld, there is some ad there -- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe 78140 VELIZY Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: noyau@pelane.cubx.com (Eric Noyau) Subject: Re: Disk space Message-ID: <1993Jan12.141507.7603@pelane.cubx.com> Sender: noyau@pelane.cubx.com Organization: Cub'X systemes References: <1993Jan12.004744.10378@samba.oit.unc.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:15:07 GMT In article <1993Jan12.004744.10378@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Kelman@launchpad.unc.edu (David Kelman) writes: > This will probably sound like a very naive question, but I am a novice > at Unix and the NeXT. According to Workspace, I have 133 Meg free on my > disk. According to Inspector, the entire file system is taking up 222 Meg. > I have a 406 Meg disk, formatted as per norm (512K blocks), and that is what > is reported as it's size when I boot up the machine. Where are the other 51 > Meg? > Perhaps an explanation... excerpt from "man tunefs" : > [...] > DESCRIPTION > Tunefs is designed to change the dynamic parameters of a > file system which affect the layout policies. The parame- > ters which are to be changed are indicated by the flags > given below: > [...] > -m minfree > This value specifies the percentage of space held back > from normal users; the minimum free space threshold. > The default value used is 10%. This value can be set > to zero, however up to a factor of three in throughput > will be lost over the performance obtained at a 10% > threshold. Note that if the value is raised above the > current usage level, users will be unable to allocate > files until enough files have been deleted to get under > the higher threshold. > [...] default minfree = 10%. 10% of 400 meg = 40 meg lost... Eric -- (Eric Noyau - e_noyau@cubx.com - (Small)NeXTMail Ok) /R{rand 2147483647 div mul}def 1 1 90{pop dup gsave/Helvetica findfont 40 R scalefont setfont 500 R 800 R moveto 360 R rotate 1 R setgray show grestore}for pop showpage % A bug can be changed to a feature by documenting it. Developpers know! %
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) Subject: GNU g++ compiler help??? Message-ID: <1993Jan12.210538.2264@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:05:38 GMT Can someone tell where and which version of g++ to get that works on NeXTStep 3.0 ? I would also like libg++ as well. I have also heard there are some tricks to compiling under 3.0? Oscar -- ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks NASA, Real Time Systems Branch Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Mail Code: DL-DSD-24
From: Alex Raftis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: .nfs*** files getting left all over Message-ID: <1993Jan12.224109.105787@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 22:41:09 GMT References: <7325@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Douglas Scott writes >I am finding lots of files named .nfs*** (usually *** = numbers) left around >on our filesystem. They seem to be created when using <command>-r to delete >files that are on remote filesystems, and I am not sure, but it appears that >they do not clear up on their own. > >I found that I needed to cmd-r the files, and then cmd-r the .nfs files as >well! > >This is definitely new to 3.0 -- anyone have an explanation or suggestion for >this? I assume it is some nfs weirdness. > That's a UNIXism, and it can be an extremely bad things to remove. I found out the hard way before I knew what they were, and my system crashed. The .nfs* files are create when some program has an open reference to a file. If you try to remove that file, but something is still accessing it, a .nfs* file is created so that they other process doesn't loose information it needs. These will be cleaned up by cron on a nightly basis, usually around 2 am. Since it's done so late at night, the risk of a system crash due to removing an important one is minimized. Alex -- ______________________________________________________ Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: prange@sdr.slb.com (Michael Prange) Subject: Anyone running XNeXT on old monochrome slab under NS 3.0? Message-ID: <C0rGv7.1qt@sdr.slb.com> Sender: news@sdr.slb.com Organization: Schlumberger-Doll Reasearch Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:54:42 GMT Where did you get XNeXT? Michael prange@sdr.slb.com
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Using log file for NeXT Printer Message-ID: <7340@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 22:25:28 GMT Article-I.D.: ucsbcsl.7340 Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, UCSB Having once again exhausted the online documentation, I post to ask: Is it possible to set up a NeXT Printer to keep a log of all printing jobs? Thank you. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: UUCP Mail feed Message-ID: <6238@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 12 Jan 93 22:54:52 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM In article <1993Jan12.155148.28881@bmerh85.bnr.ca> sircomp@bcarh289.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) writes: >> Hi All: >> A while back there was an article in NeXTWORLD all about >> places where one could get Internet access from. Unfortunately, >> I'm now in Ottawa and my back-issues are in Calgary. Could some >> kind soul please send me some numbers to call for info in the >> Ottawa region? >> ... >>Rob Parkhill UUNET Canada is now offering local dialup service in Hamilton, Ontario and all our services in Montreal, Quebec. They now have points-of-presence in Toronto, Ottawa, Kitchener, and London, Ont., and in Montreal, Qc. They also offer shared dialup services in Hamilton, Ont. For information, please contact info@uunet.ca, or telephone them at (416) 368 6621. The general information kit is available in ASCII and PostScript by anonymous ftp at ftp.uunet.ca:pub/uunet.ca-info/general-info (a portion appears below.) Conrad Geiger International NeXT User Groups (Professionals using object-oriented technology today!) P.S. You might also check with PSI (see the second item below). __________________________________________________________________ UUNET Canada General Information January 4, 1993 UUNET Canada Inc. provides network infrastructure and services to access the resources of the world-wide Internet/UUCP community. These resources include USENET news, electronic mail, numerous Internet file archives and other services. UUNET(TM) services available to all customers include: o Access to all USENET news and a variety of newswire sources. o Automatic file retrieval service from Anonymous-FTP archives. o Reliable and extensive electronic-mail connectivity. o Domain name registration and Internet mail forwarder services. o Terminal access to interactive Internet services or remote hosts. o Attractive discounts on high-speed modems and networking hardware. We also offer AlterNet(TM), our commercial Internet service. This provides: o Low cost, wide-area networking for organizations that wish to interconnect sites in multiple locations within Canada, the United States or internationally. o An alternative to Datapac-3000 and dedicated long-distance leased lines for company-internal networking or service provider access. o Real-time, high-speed, multiplexed access to remote people, data and information resources, including indexed data access and directory services. o No usage restrictions on traffic within the Commercial Internet. o Access to research, development and education portions of the Internet, subject to acceptable use agreements. o Multi-protocol capability allows you to connect proprietary networks at multiple locations. To subscribe or for further information, please contact: info@uunet.ca UUNET Canada Inc. 1 Yonge St., Suite 1400 Toronto, Ontario Canada M5E 1J9 +1 416 368 6621 (voice) +1 416 368 1350 (fax) The general information kit is available in ASCII and PostScript by anonymous ftp at ftp.uunet.ca:pub/uunet.ca-info/general-info. ________________________________________________________________ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: John T. Eldredge Director of Sales Performance Systems International, Inc. 11800 Sunrise Valley Drive Suite 1100 Reston, VA 22091 Voice: 1 800.82psi82 +1 703.620.6651 Fax: +1 703.620.4586 E-Mail: psilink-info@psi.com PSI NOW HAS 157 CITIES FOR DIALUP PSILink IN NORTH AMERICA, INTERNATIONAL ACCESS COMING SOON Reston, VA - July 14, 1992 - Performance Systems International, Inc. (PSI) today announced that PSILink(SM), their Internet electronic mail, FTP and USENET News service package, has been extended to 157 cities throughout the U.S., Canada and Mexico. PSILink, available for as low as $19 per month, works on any standard MSDOS PC and is a seamless service that gives users global access to electronic resources, including 250 million electronic mail users on the worldwide Internet. In addition to e-mail capability, individuals can also send and receive USENET News and do anonymous file transfers....
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: Printing Even or Odd Pages using dvips Message-ID: <HARDY.93Jan12153749@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: bryant@math.duke.edu's message of 12 Jan 93 17:14:31 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Distribution: usa References: <8519@news.duke.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 23:37:55 GMT In article <8519@news.duke.edu> bryant@math.duke.edu (Robert Bryant) writes: ??? ??? I know that this has come up before, but I couldn't find any mention of ??? it in the FAQ on nova and couldn't remember what the resolution of the problem ??? was. ??? I need to be able to print just the even or the odd pages of a long ??? dvi file (so that I can Xerox double-sided copies) and this option does not ??? seem to be available in dvips. Is there a header file that I can load which ??? will redefine the showpage command so that it only prints the even or odd ??? pages? Tom Rokicki has produced a program called dvi2dvi which will convert the dvi-file appropriately. Get it from labrea.stanford.edu. Another good program which can do this directly on postscript output is quarto -- available on sonata (and maybe orst). -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@cubetech.com Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <1993Jan13.003448.2507@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Jan12.035933.27818@athena.mit.edu> <1itij4INNt3c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <1993Jan12.062251.4951@athena.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:34:48 GMT In article <1993Jan12.062251.4951@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >I second that motion. That ad was FAR from sexist. Oh, but Jeff if probably >right. That French horn is a phallic symbol, right? And the woman was >forced to pose for that picture under duress, right Jeff? She was USED >by the male-dominated system, according to Jeff. COME ON! > >Eric What's wrong with it being sexy? <sorry, couldn't resist... You Spinal Tap fans will know what I'm talking about. Actually, I hear that they are going to change the name from "PixelMaster" to "Smell The Glove".....> ;-) andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
From: sam@esl.com (Samuel S. Hahn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dial-in to NeXT machine Message-ID: <SAM.93Jan12104701@avalon.esl.com> Date: 12 Jan 93 18:47:01 GMT Sender: news@esl.ESL.COM Distribution: comp Organization: ESL, Inc. Sunnyvale, CA Is there a FAQ on setting up a dial-in to a cube? I'm trying to do this, and need to know what to look out for. I've got a SuperFAXmodem, a mac serial cable (is this compatible), and have played with /etc/ttys, but not yet succeeded. This must have been asked hundreds of times; where do I get answers? Thanks much -- Sam (408-743-6454)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sunthej@alleg.edu (Jake Blues) Subject: Re: NeXT biff Message-ID: <1993Jan13.005220.785@pellns.alleg.edu> Sender: news@pellns.alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College References: <1iv3t7INN2sg@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:52:20 GMT In article <1iv3t7INN2sg@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> hogan@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Emmett Hogan) writes: > Hi All, > > Is there a NeXT program like xbiff? Basically, something that > can run on the NeXT that my mail comes in on, but display an > icon on my machine that will notify me of incoming mail. Right > now, I have a window open on the mail host and run "biff y" in > that window...I would really like something a bit more NeXTish. > > Any pointers would be helpful. > Doesn't Mail.app in NeXTApps have the functionality you're looking for? Jake
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: .nfs*** files getting left all over Message-ID: <17932@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 13 Jan 93 01:49:39 GMT References: <7325@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <7325@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: >I am finding lots of files named .nfs*** (usually *** = numbers) left around >on our filesystem. They seem to be created when using <command>-r to delete >files that are on remote filesystems, and I am not sure, but it appears that >they do not clear up on their own. .nfs* files are the result of the NFS client not letting go of a file on the NFS server that the server deletes. From the nfsd man pages: When a file that is opened by a client is unlinked (by the server), a file with a name of the form .nfsXXX (where XXX is a number) is created by the client. When the open file is closed, the .nfsXXX file is removed. If the client crashes before the file can be closed, the .nfsXXX file is not removed. I've noticed it happens quite a few times too. Maybe 3.0 isn't closing all the files it should? >Thanks! >Douglas Scott It could be if you wait a bit the client will close the file and the .nfs* file will be deleted, but I'm too impatient to notice. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ "I prefer the blunted cudgels of the followers of the Serpent God." -- Sean Doran the Younger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Future 24-bit color solutions? Message-ID: <1993Jan13.035406.10679@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 03:54:06 GMT The latest info on NS486 seems to leave a big hole in NeXT's product line. What about 24-bit color? All the info I've seen says 16-bit color max on any PC. Doesn't the prospect of turning on persons to DPS and then leaving them with the NeXTDimension as the _only_ 24-bit NeXTSTEP solution seem to be yet another major goof? This, I hope, either means the ND will have a soon announced much improved future -- or will be soon officially abandoned and a NRW as a 24-bit NS solution will be announced. Silence on this issue would seem, to me, to be unthinkable. Michael McCulloch Huntsville, AL
From: rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu (Rob Snyder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Exception#3 Date: 13 Jan 1993 04:01:42 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1j0476INNqeg@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Howdy, just a quick note, as per my Expcption #3. I was just playing around for a while, when I found it necessary to reboot. Anyway, I hit command-command-~ to reboot. I wouldn't. It just got stuck at the first line of the reboot screen. Anyway, I tried rebooting a couple other ways. And finally ended powering off, cause I had to go to class, and didn't have time to play with it. Anyway, I called a friend of mine, to look at it, we powered it up, and it worked beautifuly. No Exception #3, no nothing. It worked flawlessly... These things confuse me so sometimes... Oh well... One other quick question, I had a file on how to change the loginwindow, but alas, I lost it. I was wondeirng if someone could enlighten me on how to do this again. Thanks a lot!!! Rob. -- *--------------------------------------------------* * Rob Snyder. /\/e><T Mail accepted * * 'rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu' * * 'snyderre@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu' * * (812)877-8721 * *--------------------------------------------------*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: u8021804@cc.nctu.edu.tw () Subject: Re: Canon BJ10 with Dots Message-ID: <1993Jan13.042356.26952@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw (News Sender) Organization: National Chiao Tung University References: <1iv3mhINNd2v@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:23:56 GMT
From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PPD for Agfa Compugraphic Select Set 5000??? Message-ID: <1993Jan13.014016.20351@dakota.hsd.com> Date: 13 Jan 93 01:40:16 GMT Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. Does anyone have one? Or know where I can get one? -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cancel <43362@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: <43422@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 13 Jan 93 03:46:09 GMT References: <43362@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Control: cancel <43362@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego <43362@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> was cancelled from within rn.
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: how to read next mail, inquiry. The answer. Message-ID: <43423@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 13 Jan 93 03:53:20 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego In my original posting, I asked for advice on how to make NeXTmail readable again after it had been received by a regular unix machine. My deepest gratitude and appreciation to all those nice people who helped me out with this problem. I am now a happy receiver and reader of NeXTmail items! The solution: 1) Save the body of the message, append it to your /usr/spool/mail/username file. Go into the Mail.app. or 2) Copy the whole thing, including header and mail it to yourself with non-NeXTmail. cat file > mail username. 3) Remove the header and change the .tar.###.stuff.attach phrase to filename.tar.Z. Save it. uudecode file. then zcat and untar the resulting files in that order. It's so wonderful to belong to such a knowledgable and caring community of intelligent persons! Thanks to everyone in netland who helped me out. Regards, Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu NeXTmail welcome :-)
From: cap+@cmu.edu (Chris Paris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing Even or Odd Pages using dvips Message-ID: <QfIq7ib0_ek1Q4h048@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 14:27:27 GMT Organization: Information Technology Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA In article <8519@news.duke.edu> bryant@math.duke.edu (Robert Bryant) writes: > [how do you select even or odd pages from dvips output] Run the output of dvips through psselect -e or psselect -o. You can get psselect from the net somewhere. Check with archie. I type "dvips -f file.dvi | psselect -e | lpr" -- Chris Paris cap+@cmu.edu (NeXT mail)
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Any reviews of Garfinkel & Mahoney's book? Date: 13 Jan 1993 05:51:18 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <1j0akmINN33g@mirror.digex.com> References: <C0DJJ8.2HD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <23185@venera.isi.edu> <1993Jan9.113208.19916@prim> In article <1993Jan9.113208.19916@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > >I'll buy the book if, after reading it, you have a clear idea of why the >functionality of a Button is split between two classes (Button and >ButtonCell) rather than one. The philosophy behind the appkit heirarchy is >not well explained in the NeXT documentation. ... and neither is it here. But it's impressive that they did touch on the "split personality" of Buttons. This is a cookbook to get beginner's feet wet. Still there is depth that may be of interest to old-timers too. I bought it and I like it. - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: neil@kynug.org Subject: Re: WordPerfect - PIECE OF CRAP!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan12.232615.9044@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. References: <1993Jan5.195619.4887@kynug.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:26:15 GMT In article <1993Jan5.195619.4887@kynug.org> Neil_Greene@kynug.org writes: > > [stuff deleted] Boy, I sure do catch crap when WP decides to print those anoying black pages. I ought to send a toner bill to WP Corporation along with their software I just sent back. I read some old posts about this. Has WP come out with a fix? Has it been labeled as a NS3.0 problem to be fixed by NeXT? Does anyone care?? > -- > Neil Greene > President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. > Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail] -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail]
From: gloger@dbulm1.uucp (Jochen Gloger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: formula editor Message-ID: <413.2b52bb34@dbulm1.uucp> Date: 12 Jan 93 12:36:04 +0100 Organization: Daimler-Benz, Institut f. Informationstechnik Hi, I am looking for an editor (available for NeXT) to create mathematical formulas which has (Encapsulated) PostScript as an output format. If possible, it should support the copy/paste mechanism of the NeXT. Thanks in advance for any information. Please reply to my email address. Kind regards Jochen ================================================================================ Jochen Gloger, Daimler-Benz AG, Research Center Ulm, Institute for Information Technology, Pattern Recognition -- Document Analysis Phone: +49 731 505 2115, Fax: +49 731 505 4105 Address: Wilhelm-Runge-Str.11, P.O. Box 23 60, W-7900 Ulm, Germany email: unido.uucp!dbulm1!gloger OR gloger%dbulm1.uucp@germany.eu.net OR ...!ira.uka.de!fauern!unido!dbulm1!gloger OR ...!{uunet,corton,sunic,ukc}!mcsun!unido!dbulm1!gloger << If you want a thing done well, do it yourself >> ================================================================================
From: alexk@infmuc (Alexander Koerner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.databases,comp.databases.informix Subject: Re: need a cheapter database Message-ID: <1993Jan13.082739.1447@informix.com> Date: 13 Jan 93 08:27:39 GMT References: <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> Sender: news@informix.com (Usenet News) Organization: Informix Software, Inc. In article <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) writes: > Are there any databases for the NeXT which are cheaper than > Sybase and Oracle and can still be used by an Objective-C > app via DBKit? If you don't need any BLOB datatypes locally on the NeXT you might take a look at the Informix-SE 4.10 RDBMS engine... I am currently working on an Informix adaptor for the DBKit. This adaptor has reached a fairly stable beta status and this beta version can be obtained directly from me... (BTW, the Informix adaptor supports BLOB datatypes like BYTE and TEXT if you use it against an Informix-OnLine engine on a different Unix server!) Greetings from Munich, Alexander -- Alexander Koerner @ Informix Germany Oskar-Messter-Str. 25, D-8045 Ismaning Tel.: +49 89 960 980 Fax: +49 89 960 98 500 Email: alexk@infmuc.informix.com (NeXTmail accepted!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolpert@mars (Florian Wolpert) Subject: Re: New version of Mouse-X front end now available Message-ID: <1993Jan13.091434.8853@ppgfr.uucp> Sender: news@ppgfr.uucp Organization: PPG Hellige, Freiburg, GERMANY References: <Jan11.055717.40471@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 09:14:34 GMT rlabelle@lamar.colostate.edu writes: : : Speaking of X11R5 servers..is one available for "MouseX" that : runs on non-turbo color stations ? The X11R5 color turbo version : mentioned in the original post didn't work on my non-turbo color : machine. This of interest for me too. I think many others are in the same situation so a port to non-turbos would be a great convenience. - Flo. -- 2i-d&s : wolpert%dandsnx.uucp@germany.eu.net (NeXTmail preferred) Hellige : wolpert%ppgfr.uucp@germany.eu.net uni-fr : wolpert@informatik.uni-freiburg.de snail-mail to 2i Industrial Informatics, Haierweg 20e, D-7800 Freiburg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kluge daniel) Subject: Re: Running PPP on the NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan12.233905.8808@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <1993Jan11.191806.14184@bvl.pt> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:39:05 GMT vasco@bvl.pt (antonio vasconcelos) writes: : : There is a next-ppp package at merit.edu, with all the binaries, and some : : Can you give the filename, please... : : thanks in advance... : : -- : regards, : ____ : |/asco : ---------------------------------------------------------------------- look in /pub/ppp/: -rw-r--r-- 1 root 0 157191 Jan 16 1992 next-ppp0.2.tar.Z What would you call it if not like that ? - daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Subject: Re: need a cheapter database Message-ID: <1993Jan13.085310.28696@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 08:53:10 GMT In article <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) writes: >Are there any databases for the NeXT which are cheaper than >Sybase and Oracle and can still be used by an Objective-C >app via DBKit? IndexingKit comes free with NeXTSTEP and may suit your needs. There is no DBKit adaptor available as of yet that I know of, but you could write your own if you felt it was necessary. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shmuli@techunix.technion.ac.il (Shmuel Browns) Subject: Playing audio CDs? Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 11:03:51 GMT Message-ID: <shmuli.726923031@techunix.technion.ac.il> Sender: news@wang.com Hi - May have already been asked, sorry, I didn't have a CD drive then. I've seen 2 programs mentioned for playing audio CDs on the NeXT, CDPlayer and CDAudio. I downloaded CDAudio and though some things work, it doesn't play the CD. I'm running Rel. 2.1 on a NeXTstation 20/400 mono with the driver? from the 3rd party Demos CD installed using an AppleCD SC Plus. Has anyone successfully used the Apple CD drive with CDAudio? I see that there is a demo from NeXT in /NextDeveloper/Demos/CDPlayer.app Presumably this came with 3.0. Does it require 3.0 to run?? Any help would be appreciated. Please reply via email. Thanks, Shmuel --- Shmuel Browns, NeXT, Macintosh & Unix Technical Support Director YIN - Israel NeXT user group INTERNET: shmuli@shum.cc.huji.ac.il FAX: +972-2-862547 VOICE: +972-2-610785 SNAIL: 24 Hazefira, Jerusalem 93102 ISRAEL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fankhaus@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (George Fankhauser) Subject: Re: NeXT biff Message-ID: <1993Jan13.120241.16772@bernina.ethz.ch> Keywords: biff, mail notification Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH References: <1iv3t7INN2sg@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 12:02:41 GMT In article <1iv3t7INN2sg@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> hogan@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Emmett Hogan) writes: >Hi All, > >Is there a NeXT program like xbiff? Basically, something that >can run on the NeXT that my mail comes in on, but display an >icon on my machine that will notify me of incoming mail. Right >now, I have a window open on the mail host and run "biff y" in >that window...I would really like something a bit more NeXTish. > >Any pointers would be helpful. > >Thanks, >Emmett > > have you tried Mail.app 3.0? it has voice alerts and icon animation... George
From: sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Score file -> Snd file ?? Message-ID: <6243@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 13 Jan 93 04:16:21 GMT References: <1993Jan8.203046.3491@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@NeXT.COM obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Oscar Brooks) writes: > Can anyone tell me how to convert a score file to a sound (snd) file? There are probably apps that do this, but I tend to write scorefiles by hand and then playscore -w <something> to convert them to snd files. -sam -- Opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer. They're not even mine. They're probably wrong besides. How did they get in here, anyway?
From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Insite floptical - Does it work on NeXT? Date: 13 Jan 1993 14:23:14 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1j18kiINNcq3@cs.tut.fi> Keywords: insite floptical This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen I'm thinking of purchasing a Insite's 21 M floptical disk drive for my NeXT. Does anyone have one of those alive and running in his/her NeXT? Do I have to write a disktab for it? Is it possible to boot from it? -Juha -- Pasi Ojala /| | _ _ _ ___ po87553@cs.tut.fi /_| | |_) |_ |_) | albert@cc.tut.fi / | |__ |_) |_ | \ |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcelam@confused (James Clifton Elam) Subject: NeXTReview address Message-ID: <1993Jan13.144555.3713@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 14:45:55 GMT Well, about a zillion people have followed up my article pointing out the front picture boo-boo (the dude is playing stealth!) with requests for subscription information. Go figure. Here's what it says on the inside (it's only a folded four page advertisement...): NeXTReview Ron Seybold, Executive Editor Publications & Communications Inc 12416 Hymeadow Dr. Austin, Texas, 78750 (512) 250-9023 (v) (512) 331-3900 (fax) next@pcinews.lonestar.org -- James "Cliff" Elam | jcelam%witsend@glv.com - NeXT mail! (919) 460-3240 (v,w) | NeXTStep/Intel + IB + DBKit @ $200 ! (919) 460-3295 (fax) | All I want to do is go home now, please.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: knelson@milli.cs.umn.edu (Kenneth Nelson) Subject: Re: Using tar with a SCSI DAT drive Message-ID: <C0stK5.Knq@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. References: <1993Jan10.090824.24470@cs.ucla.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 15:26:27 GMT In article <1993Jan10.090824.24470@cs.ucla.edu> grw@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (George Wu) writes: > > I recently installed an Archive Python SCSI DAT drive on my system >(NeXTStation Mono running NS 2.1) for backup purposes. However, I >have been unable to use tar on the drive. I always get an 'I/O error' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Have you been able to get anything else to work (dump) ? >when I run tar and the associated SCSI error is as follows. > > I am having a similar problem. Tar/dump would work for a random amount of time and then crap out with the dreaded "I/O error". I put a call into Archive tech. support (they're most helpful) and found out I'm using an "unapproved" media. I was trying to use Maxell tapes and they don't work in an Archive Python (I thought 4mm tapes were 4mm tapes). Archive said the acceptable media are their tapes, Sony, and Fuji (I think). I'm waiting for my new tapes to arrive before trying again. Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: kthompso@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kelly Thompson) Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Sender: news@acs.ucalgary.ca (USENET News System) Message-ID: <93Jan13.153343.37191@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 15:33:43 GMT References: <1993Jan11.035553.24510@athena.mit.edu> <C0pv1n.Fry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta In article <C0pv1n.Fry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes: >zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>I urge all owners of PasteUp to try this. Let us know if all >>versions have this cool "hidden feature". > >What really needs to be tested is the reasoning behind the need for >any of this to be done at all when everyone can do it themselves. >Also, why would any of this be necessary by PasteUp? Lighten up. It's a joke. RightBrain was trying to be funny. >I'll save my >$600 and pay myself every time I move the dock down or shuffle windows >about the screen. The windows zipping accross the screen is kind of neat when you don't expect it... >-- >-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) >-- NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: Re: Bar code software that outputs to Postscript file? Message-ID: <1993Jan13.181952.1726@hot.com> Keywords: RTF Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <C0pHz1.En6@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 18:19:52 GMT In article <C0pHz1.En6@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> georgen@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (G. Ng) writes: > Is there any software for the PC or NeXT that can create bar codes and > output the barcodes as postscript (ps or eps) files, rather than just simply > printing them out on the printer? I'd like to incorporate the barcode into > a document created by Adobe Illustrator or something similar. > > any info. appreciated. > thanks > gn > YES. Hot Technologies has a comprehensive bar coding solution for NeXTSTEP including both software and hardware. Send e-mail to info@hot.com for more information. BarCodeKit: A comprehensive object library for adding bar codes to custom applications. BarCodeKit allows both organizations and developers to quickly add bar coding to a custom NeXTSTEP application. By combining the power of object-orientation and PostScript into a comprehensive library of bar code symbologies, BarCodeKit represents the state of the art in bar coding technology. Developers can seamlessly add bar coding to an existing application in a matter of minutes by using any of the 35 pre-tested and re-usable objects in the BarCodeKit. Previously, adding bar codes to an application meant weeks or months of development effort and incompatibility with different bar code readers and printers or it meant using costly proprietary bar code printers. The BarCodeKit conforms to international bar coding standards (EAN, ANSI, MIL, etc and gives developers flexibility; bar codes created using the kit can be sized and rotated to fit a specific area on a label or document and saved in EPS, EPSI (EPS with bitmap preview for non Display PostScript computers), or TIFF formats. Bar-a-Coda: An application for creating bar codes to use in documents. Bar-a-Coda is an easy-to-use application for creating bar codes. Bar codes can be dragged and dropped into documents or accessed from any application via the NeXTSTEP Services menu. Users can choose from more than a dozen different bar code types including Code 3-of-9, POSTNET and UPC. Bar-a-Coda is great for adding ZIP Codes on envelopes, UPC symbols on products, ISBN numbers on books and labelling just about anything. BarCodeBox: A hardware interface for bar code wands, scanners and card readers. BarCodeBox allows users to connect bar code wands, scanners, and card readers to their NeXTSTEP computer for fast, accurate and secure data entry. The interface comes bundled with Wand-a-Bar, an application to configure and drive bar code readers. Wand-a-Bar allows customers to enter bar coded data directly into a Lotus Improv spreadsheet or any NeXTSTEP application. Software objects to communicate directly with bar code readers in custom applications are also available. Hot Technologies develops, markets and supports component software and hardware that allows customers to construct automated solutions for increased productivity. Hot Technologies is headquartered at 75 Cambridge Parkway, Suite E-504, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02142-1238 USA. Telephone: + 1 617 252 0088 Electronic Mail: info@hot.com Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies PS. I tried sending this as ASCII but I kept getting junk at the end of the article. 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From: neil@kynug.org Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT biff Message-ID: <1993Jan13.143729.12222@kynug.org> Date: 13 Jan 93 14:37:29 GMT References: <1iv3t7INN2sg@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. In article <1iv3t7INN2sg@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> hogan@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Emmett Hogan) writes: > Hi All, > > Is there a NeXT program like xbiff? Basically, something that > can run on the NeXT that my mail comes in on, but display an > icon on my machine that will notify me of incoming mail. Right > now, I have a window open on the mail host and run "biff y" in > that window...I would really like something a bit more NeXTish. > > Any pointers would be helpful. I have a nice envelope icon that fans letters out of itself as mail comes in. The postage stamp flickers too. It is kinda NeXTish. :-) -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sapphire!shill (Sean L. Hill) Subject: Re: need a cheapter database Message-ID: <1993Jan13.142317.2854@ccsi.com> Keywords: Informix SE Sender: shill@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 14:23:17 GMT In article <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) writes: > Are there any databases for the NeXT which are cheaper than > Sybase and Oracle and can still be used by an Objective-C > app via DBKit? Check out Informix SE for the NeXT -Sean -- Sean L. Hill CCSI Computers
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) Subject: Re: need a cheapter database Message-ID: <1993Jan13.153447.10133@ccsi.com> Sender: jcorallo@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 15:34:47 GMT In article <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) writes: > Are there any databases for the NeXT which are cheaper than > Sybase and Oracle and can still be used by an Objective-C > app via DBKit? Look at Informix, we use both Informix SE on the NeXT and run the Informix ONLINE on Sun servers connected to our NeXTs. We also have an Informix adaptor and the suport is GREAT from Informix. When we ask for a change or bug fix to the adaptor we usually get it the next day, a few times we have got it the same day. The SE engine does not have all the features of ONLINE but is quite acceptable for most database applications. Also, their pricing is much more reasonable than most other SQL databases on the market.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Computer Sales Position Opening (Ann Arbor, Michigan) Message-ID: <6245@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 13 Jan 93 17:01:38 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Job Opening at NeXT Computer Associate Sales Representative Higher Education Channel NeXT Computer, Inc. Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan Start Date: January/February 1993 Contact: kfoster@next.com or fax to 313.663.3980 THE ASSOCIATE SALES REP IN HIGHER EDUCATION IS AN ENTRY-LEVEL SYSTEMS ENGINEERING/ACCOUNT MANAGER POSITION REQUIRING A COMBINATION OF SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT, NETWORK AND SYSTEMS ENGINEERING, AND SALES/VERBAL COMMUNICATION SKILLS. ASSOCIATE SALES REPS (ASR) provide the technical expertise and account management skills necessary to close sales, and generally evangelize the NeXT product family. ASRs must possess superb technical skills and a sense of innovation, combined with a personality which promotes cooperation, trust, and the sharing of ideas. The successful candidate will have a mix of software engineering skills, sales/interpersonal skills, presentation skills, and enjoy working with people and new technology. Duties and Responsibilities: A typical NeXT Higher Education ASR will spend one-third of their time writing NeXTSTEP applications for customer-based prototyping or proof-of-concept efforts, one-third consulting one-on-one with potential and existing higher education customers on software development and network engineering, and one-third performing presentations and demonstrations of NeXTSTEP. The ASR will have account management responsibility for identified university NeXT customers within a geography which includes Indiana, Michigan, NW Ohio, and Western New York. - Rapid prototyping of software for feasibility analysis - Technical presentations to all levels of customers - Integration of NeXT computers with existing systems - Technical account management - Provide strategic input and guidance to sales, marketing, and engineering, regarding market conditions, product requirements, and overall program successes or failures Career Path: ASRs may choose to move directly into the role of sales account manager or toward a position of systems engineer. This position gives a qualified individual the opportunity to gain both sales and systems engineering experience without carrying a sales quota. Necessary Skills: - Solid software computer science/engineering background - Ability to articulate technically complex issues to a wide variety of audiences - Demonstrated aptitude at working independently - Ability to work with limited supervision in an autonomous, results-oriented environment - Ability to work within a team environment - Strong problem solving skills - Ability to juggle multiple tasks - B.S.C.S or equivalent desired Relevant Experience: - NeXTSTEP, Objective-C, Mach - UNIX systems programming/systems administration - Object-oriented programming - Advanced application programming in C, LISP, and FORTRAN (or equivalent) - Windowing application development (Macintosh, X11, MSWindows, etc.) - Database application development (Sybase, Oracle, etc.) - TCP/IP, NFS, YP/NIS - PostScript - NeXT Campus Consultant experience - familiarity with university computing environments For more information please send a cover letter, resume, and salary history via email to kfoster@next.com or fax to 313.663.3980. Responses without cover letters will not be considered. Please include at least one paragraph which reflects on how your skills and experience will enable your success as a Associate Sales Rep for NeXT Computer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sapphire!shill (Sean L. Hill) Subject: Re: need a cheapter database Message-ID: <1993Jan13.163411.3224@ccsi.com> Sender: shill@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jan13.153447.10133@ccsi.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 16:34:11 GMT In article <1993Jan13.153447.10133@ccsi.com> jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) writes: > In article <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu > (Drake M. Roberts) writes: > > Are there any databases for the NeXT which are cheaper than > > Sybase and Oracle and can still be used by an Objective-C > > app via DBKit? > Look at Informix, we use both Informix SE on the NeXT and run the > ONLINE on Sun servers connected to our NeXTs. We also have an Informix > adaptor and the suport is GREAT from Informix. When we ask for a change > or bug fix to the adaptor we usually get it the next day, a few times > have got it the same day. The SE engine does not have all the features > ONLINE but is quite acceptable for most database applications. Also, > their pricing is much more reasonable than most other SQL databases on > market. Just thought I should mention that the Informix adaptor is BETA and officially unsupported, however the developer of it is exceptionally good at fixing bugs and adding features in mind-numbingly short periods of time. Also the Informix adaptor is more full-fledged than the adaptors provided by NeXT for Sybase and Oracle... -Sean -- Sean L. Hill CCSI Computers
From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <1993Jan13.171104.20993@dvorak.amd.com> Date: 13 Jan 93 17:11:04 GMT References: <1993Jan13.003448.2507@cubetech.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Distribution: usa Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas In article <1993Jan13.003448.2507@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com writes: >>In article <1993Jan12.062251.4951@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>>I second that motion. That ad was FAR from sexist. Oh, but Jeff if probably >>>right. That French horn is a phallic symbol, right? And the woman was >>>forced to pose for that picture under duress, right Jeff? She was USED >>>by the male-dominated system, according to Jeff. COME ON! >>> >>>Eric >> >>What's wrong with it being sexy? >> >> >><sorry, couldn't resist... You Spinal Tap fans will know what I'm >>talking about. Actually, I hear that they are going to change the >>name from "PixelMaster" to "Smell The Glove".....> >> "So how much louder is it?" -interviewer "Well...it's *one* louder" -nigel Hee hee hee... -- Ronald Pomeroy [Objective-Cruntime: [Smalltalk runtime]]; Advanced Micro Devices [self dream-on]; CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: Re: Printing Even or Odd Pages using dvips Message-ID: <ntomczak.726949366@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <8519@news.duke.edu> <HARDY.93Jan12153749@golem.ps.uci.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 18:22:46 GMT hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes: >In article <8519@news.duke.edu> bryant@math.duke.edu (Robert Bryant) writes: >??? I need to be able to print just the even or the odd pages of a long >??? dvi file >Tom Rokicki has produced a program called dvi2dvi which will convert >the dvi-file appropriately. Get it from labrea.stanford.edu. A small correction. The program is called dvidvi. It will do this and many other dvi rewrites. --mj
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) Subject: Info on CD-ROM formats requested. Message-ID: <1993Jan13.175236.10785@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 17:52:36 GMT I recently received my NeXT CD-ROM drive. The documentation supplied with the drive states that the software of NS 3.0 can handle CD-ROMs in the following three formats: ISO-9660, Rockridge, and High Sierra. But in looking in the catalogues of some CD-ROM suppliers, such as Educorp, they fail to state what format the discs that they sell use. A call to Educorp got me the response, "It's in Mac ( or PC ) format", which, of course, was not very helpful. Can anyone educate me as to what format a PC compatible CD-ROM drive would be able to handle, and likewise for a Mac compatible drive? Thanks in advance, and my apologies if this question has already ap- peared in the FAQ lists. ( I looked briefly and didn't find it. ) - Max | William R. Herndon \ The MITRE Corporation, Dept. G023 | | EMail: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org \ Secure Information Technology | | NeXTMail: bill@mephisto.gotham.com \ MS-Z231, 703.883.6393 | | | | "The world bores you when you're cool." - Calvin |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: .tar extension Message-ID: <C0t4Ms.Coq@eis.calstate.edu> From: jmiller@eis.calstate.edu (John Miller) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 19:25:38 GMT Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where to get Xnext Message-ID: <1993Jan14.093930.514@otago.ac.nz> From: athomson@otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) Date: 14 Jan 93 09:39:30 +1300 References: <C0rGv7.1qt@sdr.slb.com> Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand In article <C0rGv7.1qt@sdr.slb.com>, prange@sdr.slb.com (Michael Prange) writes: > Where did you get XNeXT? > > Michael > prange@sdr.slb.com -- From foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu =============================================================================== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 University of Otago, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 Department of Computer Science, | e-mail athomson@otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | Dunedin | New Zealand | "God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life" John 3:16, paraphrase ===============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Problems with XNeXT on NSTC with new new! keyboard Message-ID: <1993Jan14.094601.515@otago.ac.nz> From: athomson@otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) Date: 14 Jan 93 09:46:01 +1300 Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand I am haveing some problems with the Xnext distribution from foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu. I am running a NSTC, NS3.0 with the new ergonomic keyboard. I have the following problems: The new keyboard has only one command key (a bar below the space-bar), is there an alternative to L-command+R-command+<- to switvh to NeXtstep? The more important problem is that the keyboard mapping appears to be screwed up. Using an xterm, all I get are odd codes when I type. e.g. typing Hello from sunny Antarctica results in something like &%GKSU&kdn9w&92j238^]. I suspect that scan codes have changed on the new keyboard???? Has anyone got some suggestions?? Thanks, Alastair -- =============================================================================== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 University of Otago, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 Department of Computer Science, | e-mail athomson@otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | Dunedin | New Zealand | "God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life" John 3:16, paraphrase ===============================================================================
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Daniel T. Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT biff Message-ID: <1j20f1INNaop@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> Date: 13 Jan 93 21:09:53 GMT References: <1993Jan13.143729.12222@kynug.org> Organization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support In article <1993Jan13.143729.12222@kynug.org> neil@kynug.org writes: > In article <1iv3t7INN2sg@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> hogan@fernwood.mpk.ca.us > > Is there a NeXT program like xbiff? Basically, something that > > I have a nice envelope icon that fans letters out of itself as mail comes > in. The postage stamp flickers too. It is kinda NeXTish. :-) The problem with this functionality in Mail.app is that if you prefer to read your mail with some other program (which I do, since I'm only on a NeXT's console about half the time and going back and forth between mail pkgs drove me insane when I tried), then Mail.app's "mail is here" alert doesn't go away when you retrieve your mail (again, with some other mail application). Hmm. Maybe I'll see if I can port xbiff to be a NeXT app, it would be just the quick little "get-started" NeXT programming project I've been looking for. If I do I'll announce it here and put it on the archives. -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group 313/998-6265
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Daniel T. Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect - PIECE OF CRAP!!! Date: 13 Jan 1993 21:11:44 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support Message-ID: <1j20igINNaot@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> References: <1993Jan12.232615.9044@kynug.org> In article <1993Jan12.232615.9044@kynug.org> neil@kynug.org writes: > In article <1993Jan5.195619.4887@kynug.org> Neil_Greene@kynug.org writes: > Boy, I sure do catch crap when WP decides to print those anoying black > pages. I ought to send a toner bill to WP Corporation along with their > software I just sent back. > > I read some old posts about this. Has WP come out with a fix? Has it > been labeled as a NS3.0 problem to be fixed by NeXT? Does anyone care?? There is a mention of this problem, not specifically related to WordPerfect, in the release notes for NS 3.0. -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group 313/998-6265
Newsgroups: comp.sources.wanted,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.questions From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: Unix .lzh 2.x decompression routines WANTED Message-ID: <1993Jan13.115503.1291@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 13 Jan 93 11:55:02 PST Someone has recently sent me a lot of files in .lzh format, together with a PC program that decompresses them. The help file claims that the LHA program is v2.11, by Irv Hoff cleared by Yoshi-san. My old xlharc program (which came in a neat NeXT program called "Opener")---C-LHarc for UNIX Version 1.00 by Y.Tagawa, Kai Uwe Rommel---claims that xlharc Error: Sorry, Cannot Extract this method. when asked to extract, although it can still list the directory contents. So, I need a Unix program, preferably BSD or NeXT-compatible, that can extract these newer-format .lzh files. /ivo
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Music software??? Date: 13 Jan 1993 14:14:44 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1j248kINNed6@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <960@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1046@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> O.K. now what is the story here? I called Roght Brain immediatlely after spotting their add for Score in NeXTWorld and at that time Right Brain stated confidently that the name would be changed and that the music notation package was strictly for PRE-19th century music. Now things are different? I will be patient but will be extremely disappointed again if Right Brain thinks they can get away with plopping some guitar tablature on top of a notation package that doesn't address the needs of composing in all styles including the twentieth century. There has always been a need for notating and transcribing early music notation--chant, lute music, etc--and the way I understood it from RB, musicscribe would address those issues. With that in mind I began a dialog with Coda and will be meeting with them on friday so there may yet be alternatives. Time will tell I suppose. Sure hope Right Brain can straighten me out so I don't waste my time trying to get Finale to work on the next with stability? maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: I'm glad this was to an 800 number : -) Message-ID: <1993Jan13.224803.10528@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 22:48:03 GMT This just popped up in my mailbox. I just tried to send the fax an hour or two ago, but the modem was occupied with a uucp connection. This is so bizarre, I thought others might get a kick out of it. Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 16:41:26 -0600 From: agent To: john Subject: Your fax to NeXT Order Management Department (18002286398) Re: your fax titled "93jan13.02pm.0644.pst". Your fax could not be delivered (75504 pages sent, total time 1118479 minutes and 23 seconds). The fax software failed during transmission. Restart the computer to which the modem is attached and resend the fax. I knew NeXT was good, but that is one F-A-S-T fax: 75,504 pages in only a short time! :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: HELP with L. Mamakos' SLIP Message-ID: <1993Jan13.233550.20169@wam.umd.edu> Keywords: SLIP Sender: rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 23:35:50 GMT I would appreciate any help at all with setting up Louie Mamakos' SLIP package (the freeware version available at various archives). The manual is excellent but seems to assume SLIP experience. I have none, and little networking experience. Thanks Brooks Johns Hopkins Univ. Dept of Hispanic and Italian Nextmail: rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: .nfs*** files getting left all over Message-ID: <1993Jan13.145633.2943@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <7325@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> <1itqfsINNdes@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 14:56:33 GMT paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Toby Paterson) writes: >In article <7325@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas >Scott) writes: >> I am finding lots of files named .nfs*** (usually *** = numbers) left >around >> on our filesystem. They seem to be created when using <command>-r to >delete >> files that are on remote filesystems, and I am not sure, but it appears >that >> they do not clear up on their own. >> >I have this line in my daily script file: ># Clean out old .nfs files. >find / -name .nfs\* -mtime +7 -exec rm -f {} \; -o -fstype nfs -prune >I know I didn't put it there, so I assume it came with the system. This >command will search the entire file system for any and all .nfs*** files >which have been modified in the past week and remove them. These .nfs files are getting left laying around on our network, too. Doing 'rm' in a shell window will create them, not just Cmd-r in the Workspace. Also, for me, any other program that does things like creating a temporary file and then deleting it later, or just deleting other files, will cause .nfs files to be left around. Examples off the top of my head are zip, zoo and rcs. Do a 'man nfsd' or look up nfsd in Digital Librarian, and you'll see what the .nfs files are supposed to be for, but I can guarantee that on our network, the condition described in the man page is not being met. So I really have no idea why these .nfs files are appearing. They seem to get flushed out after a period of time, but that can be up more than an hour in my direct experience. This has been happening with both NS2.2 and NS3.0, so it's not a 3.0 problem. (In fact, our file server is still NS2.2; so far we've only upgraded the clients to NS3.0). -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are easier royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | to write and run faster, too." or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | ad for OS/2 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: .tar extension Message-ID: <C0tDE8.LK4@eis.calstate.edu> From: jmiller@eis.calstate.edu (John Miller) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 22:34:55 GMT Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: Re: French.... Message-ID: <1993Jan13.165036.22827@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. References: <1ifl5dINNokt@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 16:50:36 GMT In article <1ifl5dINNokt@agate.berkeley.edu> william@moica.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) writes: > > > Does anyone know of any English<->French dictionaries or > utilities that are available for the NeXT ? > > Ditto for English<->Russian. > > Bill Grosso HSD is shipping HSD Spell, an multi-lingual spell checker for NeXTstep that currently supports 11 languages. It is not a definition dictionary or translator, although the rumor mill has suggested that we hope to offer a suite of linguistic products including definition dictionaries and thesauruses for NeXTSTEP. -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) Subject: Re: NeXT biff In-Reply-To: danno@css.itd.umich.edu's message of 13 Jan 1993 21:09:53 GMT Message-ID: <GISLI.93Jan13191551@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Sender: news@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Mr. News) Organization: University of Michigan References: <1993Jan13.143729.12222@kynug.org> <1j20f1INNaop@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 00:15:51 GMT > > Is there a NeXT program like xbiff? Basically, something that I use something called MailMan. Got it from one of the NeXT ftp sites. I never use Mail.app. MailMan sits in my Dock, autolauches and when mail arrives it flashes and plays a sound file of your choice. Works fine with 3.0 Gisli -- ............................................................................... Gisli Ottarsson Delenda est Carthago. University of Michigan gisli@engin.umich.edu ...............................................................................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc From: ed@talus.com Subject: PostScript Type 1 - Cyrillic Fonts Message-ID: <1993Jan13.193839.4367@talus.com> Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 19:38:39 GMT Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.sys.next.software,comp.lang.postscript From: ed@talus.com Subject: PostScript Type 1 - Cyrillic Fonts Organization: Talus Corporation Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 19:35:37 GMT Hi there, I'd like to do a little survey here. Who would be interested by some professionnal comnmercial PostScript Type 1 - Cyrillic Fonts under Windows,MAC and NeXT (or other platforms...) ? Also, what would you use them for ? Please answer by e-mail or post for further general discussions. Ed. --- Dieu n'est pas pour les gros bataillons, mais pour ceux qui tirent le mieux. God is on the side not of the heavy batallions, but of the best shots. Erik Dasque "The French guy" V.P. R&D Talus Corporation Houston (713) 561-0700 TeXT-mail/NeXTmail:ed@talus.com -- · Dieu n'est pas pour les gros bataillons, mais pour ceux qui tirent le mieux. God is on the side not of the heavy batallions,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: chiu@wk211.nas.nasa.gov (Ing-Tsau Chiu) Subject: Help: Optical disk read error Keywords: optical Sender: news@nas.nasa.gov (News Administrator) Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 02:26:15 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan14.022615.20793@nas.nasa.gov> I got the following message while reading an optical disk. Software Version 3.0 (Hyper3B) od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 48 phys block 79441 (9114:0:1) Wonder if anyone knows how to fix this. Right now, the next OD drive does not accept this disk because of this error. -- -- Ing-Tsau Chiu chiu@nas.nasa.gov
From: dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect - PIECE OF CRAP!!! Message-ID: <1j2ol0INN7j0@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 14 Jan 93 04:02:40 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1j2ol0INN7j0 References: <1993Jan12.232615.9044@kynug.org> <1j20igINNaot@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University If you want a sure way to make the thing misbehave, try using columns (esp. if they extend from one page to the next). I ordered my System 3 bug fix about a month ago and it still has not come. The product isn't the only thing needing a fix. -- Dion Dock __ __ NeXT mail? working on it / ) / ) / dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu / / o ______ / / _____. /_ /__/_<_(_) / <_ /__/_(_) (__/ <_
From: dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) Newsgroups: alt.books.technical,misc.books.technical,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help: Scientific Computation Date: 14 Jan 1993 04:36:19 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1j2qk3INN8na@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> The Fall 1992 issue of NeXTWORLD has a book that sounds interesting. They call it "The art of Scientific Computation" by Richard Crandall on Springer Verlag However, the bookstore could not find it in print. They came up with "Modern topics in Scientific Computation" by R. Crandall isbn 0-387-97808-9 Are these the same book? And is the book aimed at NeXT users? thanks in advance Dion -- Dion Dock __ __ NeXT mail? working on it / ) / ) / dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu / / o ______ / / _____. /_ /__/_<_(_) / <_ /__/_(_) (__/ <_
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Music software??? Message-ID: <1073@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 14 Jan 93 04:44:10 GMT References: <1j248kINNed6@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Maurice Shihadi writes > O.K. now what is the story here? I called Roght Brain immediately > after spotting their ad for Score in NeXTWorld and at that time > Right Brain stated confidently that the name would be changed and that > the music notation package was strictly for PRE-19th century music. > Now things are different? The name has definitely been changed. It's now called Music Scribe. Unfortunately, several of my posts on this topic never made it out on our UUCP connection, unbeknownst to me. Music Scribe is certainly not intended solely for pre-19th century music. Please be aware that we have NOT SHIPPED Music Scribe, and it is still completing development. Due to a great deal of interest in chordal notation, this capability is being added and nearly complete. ---- begin excerpt ---- Music Scribe, when finished, will be one of the most sophisticated music notation packages ever written. Here is an excerpt from an Email exchange I had with the products's author at Cambridge that might help reassure you with the direction of the product: There is good progress on chords. When I implement something, I want to do it completely and correctly. So in MusicScore you can make (for example) a chord in which notes appear on ledger lines above and below every staff in a system. I don't know if anybody wants to do this, but it is the general case The reason why doing this is interesting, is because everything is automatic. With the Chord tool set, the user simply clicks the places where the noteheads are to appear, and the system puts the chord together in the right shape. In the presence of second-intervals and double-stopped unisons, the noteheads are placed and the ledger line widths are varied correctly). Dots also work. All that remains is accidentals, which is tricky, but fortunately algorithmic. When that is finished, the next step is implementing multiple voices, with automatic graphic separation of colliding voices (this is the nondeterministic problem I mentioned in a previous message). I have been using a beta version of Nightingale, which is the best thing so far for the Mac, and does multiple voices the best way, but it is still not as good as what I have in mind. Even Nightingale does not separate colliding voices. I have the impression from News discussions that some customers think that MusicScore is ONLY for early music. That should be countered. MusicScore is meant for all music, and although it specialises in early music (which is a huge publishing demand that other systems do not meet), it provides facilities for standard modern scores too. It is intended for the professional music editor doing standard jobs, and not for avant-garde notations or electronic composition. Don't let the customers be discouraged yet -- it'll be really good. ---- end excerpt ---- The rest of us at RightBrain are not as expert in music notation as we'd like to be, but there's a lot of catching up to do. I apologize for any misinformation we might have spread. > Sure hope Right Brain can straighten me out so I don't waste my > time trying to get Finale to work on the next with stability? Please feel free to contact me directly with further questions. I'll do my best to understand the issues and get you some straight answers. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 23:30:55 CST From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93013.233055U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: I'm glad this was to an 800 number : -) References: <1993Jan13.224803.10528@nimno.wpa.com> Your fax could not be delivered (75504 pages sent, total time 1118479 minutes and 23 seconds). The fax software failed during transmission. Restart the computer to which the modem is attached and resend the fax. I knew NeXT was good, but that is one F-A-S-T fax: 75,504 pages in only a short time! :-) Your short time was 776 days and 17 hours. That would make it .0675 pages/minute. Yeah, I know, where _do_ I get the time for all this productive work. |;-)> __________ Tom Nawara
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Subject: Re: Future 24-bit color solutions? Message-ID: <1993Jan14.052128.6736@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Jan13.035406.10679@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 05:21:28 GMT In article <1993Jan13.035406.10679@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: >The latest info on NS486 seems to leave a big hole in NeXT's product line. >What about 24-bit color? All the info I've seen says 16-bit color max on >any PC. Doesn't the prospect of turning on persons to DPS and then leaving >them with the NeXTDimension as the _only_ 24-bit NeXTSTEP solution seem >to be yet another major goof? > >This, I hope, either means the ND will have a soon announced much improved >future -- or will be soon officially abandoned and a NRW as a 24-bit NS >solution will be announced. Silence on this issue would seem, to me, to be >unthinkable. Don't expect anything but silence from NeXT... It's really tough to do killer 32-bit DPS. That's why the ND, despite being a pretty darn heavy-duty piece of hardware, doesn't seem as incredible when it's operating. Unless PC video technology cranks up, you won't see 32-bit color NeXTSTEP from anyone but NeXT. I wish NeXT could have supported the UWGSP3 video card.... andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: PPD for Agfa Compugraphic Select Set 5000??? Message-ID: <1993Jan14.043335.1402@antigone.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Antigone Press, San Francisco, CA, USA References: <1993Jan13.014016.20351@dakota.hsd.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 04:33:35 GMT David W. Peter (dpeter@hsd.com) wrote: : Does anyone have one? Or know where I can get one? All available PPDs are stored at ps-file-server@adobe.com Send a "help" and an "index PPDFiles" -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: 1-415-431-3650
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.protocols.iso.x400 Subject: X.400 and SMTP Message-ID: <17943@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 13 Jan 93 21:01:30 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Does anyone know of anybody who's actually gotten X.400 to work on the NeXT platform? Or, more to the point, how much work would it take to get X.400 to replace an existing SMTP mail network? [keep in mind I know very little about X.400, and I'm assuming it'll work over the same physical cables.] Any information (pointers, whatever) would be greatly appreciated. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Laetrile is the pits
From: ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: need a cheapter database Message-ID: <1993Jan14.002615.7448@pencom.com> Date: 14 Jan 93 00:26:15 GMT References: <1993Jan13.085310.28696@cubetech.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software Andrew Loewenstern writes: > Drake M. Roberts writes: > >Are there any databases for the NeXT which are cheaper than > >Sybase and Oracle and can still be used by an Objective-C > >app via DBKit? > > IndexingKit comes free with NeXTSTEP and may suit your needs. There > is no DBKit adaptor available as of yet that I know of, but you could > write your own if you felt it was necessary. > > > andrew > -- > andrew@cubetech.com Is there any (good or bad) documentation on how to write a DBKit adaptor? -- + Ricardo J. Parada
From: ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.next.misc,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: PowerPC 601 chip (features) Message-ID: <1993Jan14.012720.8617@pencom.com> Date: 14 Jan 93 01:27:20 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software This is a quote from SunWorld Magazine: _________________ "At the heart of the PowerPC chip is a unique mix of existing IBM's Power architectrue and components of Motorola's high-end 88110 RISC processor. Coming from the 88110 are an advanced data bus and memory support, and the possible incorporation of built-in graphics accelerators. Whiteside insisted that while the 88110 and Power elements in those respective CPUs would be downsized for the PowerPC, the resulting CPU would still be compliant with today's AIX software. The PowerPC systems are expected to ship at the end of 1993." _________________ They also describe the different PowerPC chips as follows: 601 entry-level 603 a scaled-down "note-book" non MP version 604 a midrange desktop multiproc. version with a higher clock rate 620 a server-style high-end multiprocessing version IBM says the 601 is an entry-level. So my question is: Does it have the accelerated graphics and advanced memory and data-bus support? -- + Ricardo J. Parada
From: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Help: Optical disk read error Keywords: optical Message-ID: <1993Jan14.055050.9003@rbc.uucp> Date: 14 Jan 93 05:50:50 GMT References: <1993Jan14.022615.20793@nas.nasa.gov> Organization: Huh? In article <1993Jan14.022615.20793@nas.nasa.gov> chiu@wk211.nas.nasa.gov (Ing-Tsau Chiu) writes: >I got the following message while reading an optical disk. > >Software Version 3.0 (Hyper3B) >od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 48 phys >block 79441 (9114:0:1) This should be in FAQ: If you can't mount an OD automatically you can still recover the data. Mount it manually! The old unix way. It will mount even if it is corrupt. Just don't try to write to it or you may corrupt it more. al.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kho@hubble.fokus.gmd.de (Klaus Hofrichter) Subject: Re: X.400 and SMTP Message-ID: <1993Jan14.082323.27164@fokus.gmd.de> Sender: news@fokus.gmd.de (News system) Organization: GMD-Fokus References: <17943@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 08:23:23 GMT In article <17943@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: > Does anyone know of anybody who's actually gotten X.400 to work on the NeXT > platform? Or, more to the point, how much work would it take to get X.400 to > replace an existing SMTP mail network? > > [keep in mind I know very little about X.400, and I'm assuming it'll work > over the same physical cables.] > > Any information (pointers, whatever) would be greatly appreciated. > ------ > Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) > ------ > Laetrile is the pits There is a public domain product called 'pp'. You get an X.400 MTA, but the installation is a bit complicated. Someone here at "GMD Fokus" did the port and installation, the MTA is running and we can (and we do) use pp as gateway between X.400 and SMTP. See an excerpt of the readme below. pp comes with an sendmail-emulator, there is no problem to use Mail.app as Frontend (of course, you loose the X.400 features). (Potential) Users of pp on NeXT are invited to ask more about this. We have some experts here... ----- excerpt pp cover-letter ------ .. PP is a Message Transfer Agent, intended for high volume message switching, protocol conversion, and format conversion. It is targeted for use in an operational environment, but is also be useful for investigating message related applications. Good management features are a major aspect of this system. PP supports the 1984 and 1988 versions of the CCITT X.400 / ISO 10021 services and protocols. Many existing RFC 822 based protocols are supported, along with RFC 1148bis conversion to X.400. PP is an appropriate replacement for MMDF or Sendmail. This is the second public release of PP, and includes substantial changes based on feedback from using PP on many sites. .. more information from the source: Steve Kille Department of Computer Science University College London Gower Street London WC1E 6BT England ----- end of excerpt ---- Bye, Klaus ************************************************************************** GMD Fokus (National Research Corporation for Mathematics and Data Processing) Klaus Hofrichter Hardenbergplatz 2 D-1000 Berlin 12, Germany EMAIL kho@fokus.gmd.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: BANG-up Magazine Seeks NeXT Authors Message-ID: <1993Jan14.083318.29878@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 08:33:18 GMT BANG-up Magazine Seeks Authors to Write Columns, Articles! BANG-up Magazine is a publication for NeXTSTEP users Updated January 12, 1993 BANG up Magazine is targeted at the NeXT user community. The magazine covers a wide range of topics, both technical and non technical. We continue to solicit articles, suggestions, and advertisements. We are now looking for new submissions of articles and columns for the upcoming issues of the magazine. All contributions remain the property of the author. Any submission to the magazine will be used at the sole discretion of BANG-up Magazine. BANG-up reserves the right to make editorial changes to original works as necessary. The next issue of the magazine will focus on Object Oriented Systems. What makes NeXT a leader in the race for object oriented platforms? How will the race for object oriented technology affect us, from the perspective of the user as well as the programmer. The following issue will focus on NeXTSTEP/486. In addition to the headline articles of the magazine, regular columns and articles are published which do not fall within the topics chosen for a specific issue. If you have a submission which is not specifically related to the topics at hand, please send us your work regardless! Send submissions to: bangup@dolphin.com Inquiries to: sherry@dolphin.com Advertising info: zac@dolphin.com OR CALL: 1-800-843-0328 If you have any questions regarding the magazine, please feel welcome to contact us at 1-800-843-0328 extension 2, or send NeXTMAIL to "sherry@dolphin.com." BANG up is the user's publication for the Bay Area NeXT Group, a NeXT user group based in northern California. The magazine is published as a service of Dolphin Software Inc. -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Software Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - use NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: ah@fml.tuwien.ac.at (Andreas Haleger) Subject: Documentation for writing DBKit adaptor Message-ID: <1993Jan14.132842.29437@email.tuwien.ac.at> Sender: news@email.tuwien.ac.at Organization: Technical University of Vienna Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 13:28:42 GMT I just loaded up AdaptorDoku.tar.Z to sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/submissions (sorry for the k in Doku, I discovered it too late). Here the README file: This is a preliminary documentation for writing DBKit adaptors. All thanks have to go to Joerg Jacobsen (jacobsen@tpki.toppoint.de). He asked NeXT for help and they sent him the following files: Documentation for DBBasicAdaptorContext and DBBasicAdaptor, various header files, a sample program and the following note: -- NeXT on -- As you probably know, our Adaptor API is in flux, and will certainly change in the future. The adaptor API is considered private currently and, we don't really provide any support for it. Please note that the documentation enclosed may be incomplete at places. I hope that you understand the risks involved when doing your own development and hope that at least the enclosed package will satisfy your current needs. -- NeXT off -- In addition you find a directory called myHeaders. It contains header files modified by Joerg to fit his needs. Be aware of the risks and have fun. -- == Andreas == Wir entschuldigen uns fuer die Strapazen (Douglas Adams). NeXTmail accepted.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: edmtl@taxus.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: WP font problems Message-ID: <1993Jan14.132510.26182@alf.uib.no> Sender: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 13:25:10 GMT Not to further bash on WP or anything (really, it's my FAVOURITE program......NOT), but try typing a document with those beautiful PS fonts NeXT has provided us with, and since the NeXT is a truly INTERNATIONAL machine, why not throw in a few international letters like Icelandic Eth and Thorn (look it up if you don't know - it's there). Do they look kind of klumpy? Kind of ugly? No problem - just a bad bitmap? Try Preview (tm) ing it and see how the PS version looks... Klumpy? Ugly? No problem - just WordPerfect in daily practice. Too bad I didn't get farther, I would have liked to comment on their 'international' dictionary... (Where did I install FrameMaker..... I know I left it here on the disk somewhere...) Regards, Thor
From: fewyman@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pittsburgh User Group Presentation Message-ID: <1993Jan14.101537.2908@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> Date: 14 Jan 93 10:15:36 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club The Pittsburgh Apple Business Users Group, Inc. (PABUG) will hold their January meeting on Tuesday January 19th at 6pm in the Duquesne Light Auditorium, 4th floor Oxford Center. NeXT Computer will demonstrate NeXT Step version 3.0 which offers AppleShare and Novell file server connectivity capabilities.. Non-members $5 admission, annual membership is $25, PABUG BBS is at (412) 828-8011, further information can be requested at (412) 461-4094 Tell your co-workers... Tell your friends... See you there!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Digit - A NeXTSTEP Scientific Calculator Message-ID: <C0ut70.IwH@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 17:13:47 GMT Digit.app A NeXTSTEP Scientific Calculator Written by Mark G. Tacchi This application runs on NeXTSTEP 3.0 but does not implement the NeXT Help feature. There may be some bugs that still have to be corrected and features which are lacking. These should be completed in a future release. |ftp sonata.cc.purdue.edu |Name (sonata.cc.purdue.edu:tacchi): anonymous |Password: <your user id> |cd /pub/next/submissions |dir |-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp 802 504 Jan 8 17:59 Digit.README |-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp 802 38025 Jan 8 17:59 Digit.app.tar.Z |binary |get Digit.README |get Digit.app.tar.Z Please feel free to download Digit, there is no charge for it and you may pass it on to as many people as you like. I hope that you find it useful. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca Unix Support Group (NeXT Mail Welcome) University of Manitoba Computer Services "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer." -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca Unix Support Group (NeXT Mail Welcome) University of Manitoba Computer Services "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) Subject: ethernet problems Message-ID: <1993Jan13.172856.4244@nmt.edu> Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 17:28:56 GMT With the coax connector the ethernet to my next seems to work jest fine, but it doesnt seem at all to work with the twisted pair connector. Our local network expert mumbles something about NeXT twisted pair connectors being non-compliant. Can anyone comment on this? -- jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu "Daffodils go Ping! and Oink! // They Really are alarming I'm scared of big geraniums // And I'm sure that Lilac's harming" (Dr. Bertram X. Fegg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Whither jot? Message-ID: <1993Jan14.165339.704@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <1if6foINN7to@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 16:53:39 GMT In article <1if6foINN7to@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> joe@mathcs.emory.edu (Joe Christy) writes: > I've always been a fan of jot and have quite a few notes that I've > always managed in jot. In NeXTStep 3.0, jot has vanished from > /usr/bin, but there are the undocumented (as far as I can tell) check > boxes in the Target Inspector Services panel of the Librarian. My > question is how do they work? Can I emulate the old behavior of jot, > i.e. writing a free from note into an automagically numbered file in a > directory of my choosing, which is indexed in Librarian. I tried > experimenting with checking the box and invoking the service from > Edit, but as far as I can see, nothing happened. The jot service is documented on p187 of the new User Manual. I never used the old jot, but from your description it seems to work in the same way. You can jot selected text, which will create a date named file in your jot folder, or you can jot a file selected in the File Viewer. You should have found a new file in the folder that you checked "Jot in" for (presumably ~/Notebook). Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 paull@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: (0494)680228 76711.451@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dbbrown@eastrg2.cray.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Sending NeXTMail via Sun sendmail Message-ID: <1993Jan14.122809.3328@walter.cray.com> Organization: Cray Research, Inc. Date: 14 Jan 93 12:28:09 CST Before I try to write an app to do this, I was wondering if there are any existing apps or methods that allow me to compose NeXT mail on my NeXT, upload it to a Sun and then pipe the message thru sendmail to deliver the mail over the internet? Of course, the appropriate return address would reflect the local Sun address. -- ____/ __ / __ / / / Dan Brown / / / / / _/ Cray Research Inc. / _/ __ / / dbbrown@eastrg2.cray.com ____/ __/ _\ _/ _/ _/ __ / _____/ _____/ _____/ __ / __ / _____/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / __/ ____/ ____ / ____/ __ / __/ / __ / \ / / / / / \ / / / __/ _\ ______/ ______/ ______/ __/ __/ __/ __\ _______/ __/ __/
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for MIT computer store address ... Message-ID: <1j4ffdINN53f@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Date: 14 Jan 93 19:38:21 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Hi all, I'm looking for the e-mail address for the MIT computer center ... where I want to buy some NeXT software. The address that I had doesn't work anymore, and I was hoping someone could e-mail me the current address. Also, who is currently the salesperson for the NeXT products. Thank you very much. Joel Belog nether@wpi.wpi.edu NeXTMail O.K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NextStep_Concepts.tar Message-ID: <C0uv1A.HGJ@eis.calstate.edu> From: jmiller@eis.calstate.edu (John Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 17:53:33 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Hi, Being a non-programmer, I wonder if someone could help me understand how to deal with the .tar and/or .Z extension? I managed to download NextStep_Concepts.tar.Z from sonata and uncompressed it using a menu option on the school mainframe, and from there downloaded it to my home 'Station. Now, when I launch NextStep_Concepts.tar, I get mostly gibberish. Does NeXTSTEP have a way of untarring, uncompressing or unencoding files? Or must it be done in Terminal? I'm eager to cruise the archives via ftp, but almost everything is tarred and compressed. I am running NS 2.2 *unextended* so the manual pages are not available. If Terminal (or the command line option in Edit) must be used, please tell me exactly what to type. My thanks and gratitude for helping a fledgling 'netter. John Miller
From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Insite's floptical Date: 14 Jan 1993 19:40:34 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1j4fjiINNg6r@cs.tut.fi> Keywords: insite floptical This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen I asked about Insite's floptical compartibility to a NeXT here another day and here's what I gained: ---8<--- cut here ---8<--- "...member companies voted to treat the Floptical drive AS A FLOPPY, NOT AS A REMOVABLE HARD DISK. This means that when high level formatting the diskette, THERE IS NO MASTER BOOT RECORD AND PARTITION TABLE WRITTEN. To insure interchangeability between adapters and systems, the standard committee further defined two types of FATs and BPBs. ...12 and 16 bits..." "Since there is a larbe population of SCSI adapters in the installed base that would treat the Floptical drive as a fixed disk, the committee implemented into the drive microcode, a 'write lockout' feature, to keep these old adapters from generating non-interchangable disks containing partition tables. The drive can be 'unlocked' for the purpose of allowing formatting or any other type of writes by issuing a 6 byte SCSI sense command. The 6 bytes are 1A002002A00. For applications where a 'floptical aware' host adapter is not used, this unlock command should be issued to initially unlock the drive, and will also be required if the driver or system ever issues a SCSI Reset after initial power-up." ---8<---- cut here ---8<--- Ok, does this work on a NeXT? My guess is that at least it needs a device driver. Is there such thing available? Does anyone know anyone at Insite who might know the answer (e-mail address would be neat). Thank you. -Juha -- Pasi Ojala The smaller .signature you have the more frieds you get. po87553@cs.tut.fi albert@cc.tut.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ilya@sofia.ks.uiuc.edu (Ilya Logunov) Subject: any advice on Seagate hard disks with a NeXT? Message-ID: <C0uyC2.5F2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 19:04:46 GMT Keywords: Seagate #42100N, hard disk, help Hello, we are planning to buy two external 2 GByte drives for our NeXt systems. So far we have narrowed down the search to a Seagate #42100N, which has supposedly 2500MBytes unformatted. The vendor told us that it has 1900 MBytes formatted. This seems to take up quite some space for the format.... Does anyone have an opinion on this drive? Or does anyone know how much formatted space you can get under UNIX (the vendor is presumably a PC vendor who knows nothing about NeXTs...)? Are they reliable? Do Seagates plug & play with a NeXT (do they have auto-sense)? Thanks for your help, please reply to ilya@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: Re: WordPerfect - PIECE OF CRAP!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan14.164749.22087@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. References: <1j2ol0INN7j0@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 16:47:49 GMT In article <1j2ol0INN7j0@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) writes: > If you want a sure way to make the thing misbehave, try using > columns (esp. if they extend from one page to the next). > > I ordered my System 3 bug fix about a month ago and it still has not > come. The product isn't the only thing needing a fix. If you are referring to WP1.0.1 with a release date of Sept '92, you are going to be a little disappointed and very irate if you wait for what is about to show up. WP release date 'Sept '92 is the bug fix and the latest version and I sent it back after one day of using it. Columns are still unstable. One of our users here had a great deal of trouble attempting to edit a document. Words would melt on top of other words, formatting was very difficult. We like FrameMaker a lot better. FM was the first product I ever used on the NeXT and I did not like it because of its inconsistent use of the NeXT user interface. BUT IT WORKS GREAT!!! And has nice reference manuals. -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail] -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Message-ID: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 20:46:26 GMT I called Pinnacle Micro and they said their PM-650 (or whatever) that is a 5.25" optical which seeks at 19ms like a hard drive *does* work with a NeXT with the drivers/etc that come with the NeXT. I am in the market for a HD + tape backup (DAT), but this seems like a good alternative considering that the storage is unlimited and relatively quick. Does anyone have one working with a NeXT? Could you tell me about it, please? And how much does it go for... they said about $2900 retail. Eric
From: jeffz@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (JeffZ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT CDs Message-ID: <esZDXB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> Date: 14 Jan 93 21:49:01 GMT Sender: news@cybernet.cse.fau.edu Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Greetings! I am looking for suggestions on what CD-ROMs for the NeXT are available and good. I do have access to the 'net, but don't have direct FTP, so I am looking to get a CD that would essentially replace access to the archives. I have heard of a NJ users group CD, but know nothing about how to get it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Jeff jeffz@cybernet.cse.fau.edu ! yoyodyne@mindvox.phantom.com
From: tim@apple.com (Tim Olson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PowerPC 601 chip (features) Message-ID: <tim-140193161106@129.38.222.43> Date: 14 Jan 93 22:13:38 GMT References: <1993Jan14.012720.8617@pencom.com> Sender: daemon@Apple.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.next.misc,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Organization: Apple Computer Inc. / Somerset In article <1993Jan14.012720.8617@pencom.com>, ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) wrote: > IBM says the 601 is an entry-level. So my question is: > > Does it have the accelerated graphics and advanced memory and data-bus > support? The 601 has a bus interface which is very similar to the Motorola 88110 bus (that is what the "advanced memory and data bus" referred to). It does not have a graphics unit. -- Tim Olson Apple Computer Inc. / Somerset (tim@apple.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vin@netcom.com (Vin Locke) Subject: How big is my Window? Message-ID: <1993Jan14.221737.176@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 22:17:37 GMT I would like my app to know know how big a my window is after a resize, so I can adjust the size and contents of my view accordingly. When I run the program through the debugger, I access the variable "window" and its values; so I tell the debugger to "print window.frame.size.height" and I get back the integer value (if it is a float, it's not printing a decimal point). Cool. I then tried to access this same value in the program in the same way, but the compiler barfs, complaining that there in no struct member called "frame" (I chopped it down to window.size.height, and it gave me the same message re "size"). I've been looking through the NeXTstep references, figuring there must be a method defined for the Window class that will return the dimensions of the window's frame -- no luck there. I tried accessing the "data" struct returned by an event, but no luck -- the returned value doesn't jive. This app requires that I have the dimensions of the window to redraw/ redesign the contents of the view -- the autoresize methods won't help me here, so I'm writing my own adjustment methods. Please tell. -- --vin vin@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If productivity can really be measured as the rate at which lines of code are produced, why not just use a tight loop to spew code as fast as possible, and send the programmers home? --Brad Cox
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: straffin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ethan Douglas Straffin) Subject: FTP site for sounds? Message-ID: <1993Jan14.225152.8759@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 22:51:52 GMT Sorry if this is a FAQ...I haven't seen a list anywhere. I'm looking for some sounds (specifically, percussion-related sounds) for a software project. I'm somewhat new to the NeXT, so conversion from foreign formats is probably not my speed. Is there an FTP site (or a site in AFS space) that has such sounds available? Please email. Thanks, Ethan Straffin straffin@xenon.stanford.edu
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Southern California NeXTSTEP Users' Group (SCaN) January 93 Meeting Message-ID: <6265@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 14 Jan 93 23:01:09 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Southern California NeXTSTEP Users' Group (SCaN) January 93 Meeting When: Tuesday 19 Janaury 1992, 6:30 p.m. Where: California State University, Long Beach Engineering and Computer Science Building ECS-210 The planned features are as follows: 1. Demonstration of Altsys' Virtuoso by Michael Bodily, designer and illustrator extraordinaire. 2. Demonstration of Appsoft Image by Michael Bodily. 3. Showing of NeXTSTEP 3.0 videos (4th Paradigm, etc.) from NeXT. 4. Discounts on "NeXTSTEP Programming" book by Garfinkel & Mahoney. There will be a social at 6:30 and meeting at 7:30. Directions & Parking: Take the San Diego (405) freeway to Long Beach and get off at Palo Verde. Go toward the beach on Palo Verde past two lights. Free parking is available on Palo Verde, else park for $1.50 in Lot C. Dues: $2.00 (everybody is welcome) For further information, contact: Mike Mahoney, SCaN President and CSULB Professor (310) 985-1550, e-mail: mahoney@csulb.edu Bob Desharnais, SCaN Vice-President and CSULA Professor (213) 343-2056, e-mail: bob@biol1next.calstatela.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: ethernet problems Message-ID: <1993Jan14.235327.2368@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993Jan13.172856.4244@nmt.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 23:53:27 GMT In article <1993Jan13.172856.4244@nmt.edu> jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes: >With the coax connector the ethernet to my next seems to work jest fine, but it >doesnt seem at all to work with the twisted pair connector. Our >local network expert mumbles something about NeXT twisted pair connectors >being non-compliant. I've had no problem whatever with my twisted-pair connection. There are a number of nonstandard transceivers and hubs out there in netland, and my guess is that your problem more likely lies there than with either the NeXT interface or the connector, which I think is about as standard as it gets. I use thin-wire at home and have had no problem with it, either. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Re: dictaphone software/hardware Message-ID: <1993Jan14.122935.28938@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. References: <1993Jan12.132006.17348@cubx.fdn.org> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 12:29:35 GMT Due to several mail I received about PhrasePlayer, this is the mail I resend. I think this can be useful for most people. PhrasePlayer is only software, it uses the NeXT-monitor microphone. PhrasePlayer allows you to record messages, send them with NeXTmail, and read this sound file with several conrols on it. B.E. PhrasePlayer changes the blanks and increase their duration, so somebody can type the words in a word processor. B.E. PhrasePlayer can stop the "tape" when you say "stop", and does on when you say "go" (in fact, not really these words stop/go, a vocal impulse is enough) etc... etc... This is a pretty cool app. Ask to Teledia at (phone)+33 20 67 59 58 or (fax) +33 20 47 99 45 --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe 78140 VELIZY Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com ---------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Anybody know a Book store that can send Garfinkel & Mahoney out fast? Message-ID: <1993Jan14.202021.22584@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 20:20:21 GMT I am looking for a way to get the book here fast. So I am looking for a way to order it via MasterCard and get it shipped here by air. Anybody know a store where they can handle that and that has the book avialable? Preferably by e-mail but fax will do to. --Gerben -- Gerben Wierda Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: RS/6000 and NeXT Machines Message-ID: <1993Jan15.011028.22153@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Jan3.173203.3005@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 01:10:28 GMT Karen Duca, a.k.a. Rocky (duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) wrote: : My group is considering getting a NeXT as a client machine for an RS/6000. : Seeing as the RS has been such a "delight" to use since we got it several : months ago, I want to make sure that this mating is compatible before we : go ahead. Any suggestions from people who are working with these two : machines now? What software is the best for running X-Windows on the NeXT? : : Thanx, : Karen : duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu We have 3 RS-6000's and 16 or so nexts on our local subnet. The RS-6000's act as compute servers, and for running an occasional X program. Everyone prefers using the Nexts for their day to day work, using Aleph-null terminal windows onto the compute servers. If you want to run X, however, take a look at the new line from HP. Substan- tial bang for the buck, and REALLY fast disk access. -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu Subject: Re: WordPerfect - PIECE OF CRAP!!! Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Jan15.013837.80296@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 01:38:37 GMT References: <1993Jan14.164749.22087@kynug.org> Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 > Columns are still unstable. One of our users here had a great deal of > trouble attempting to edit a document. Words would melt on top of other > words, formatting was very difficult. If it was possible to do columns and double-spacing in Edit.app, it would be much better, as of now, I personally *DO* use Edit to write everything and then open the rtf in WP... It sure would be nice to have Nisus on the NeXT or at least a _decent_ word processor for the best OS on earth.... -nate sammons ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) Subject: Re: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Message-ID: <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> Sender: news@cs.wm.edu (News System) Organization: The College of William and Mary References: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 01:26:04 GMT In article <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: > I called Pinnacle Micro and they said their PM-650 (or whatever) that is > a 5.25" optical which seeks at 19ms like a hard drive *does* work with a > NeXT with the drivers/etc that come with the NeXT. > > I am in the market for a HD + tape backup (DAT), but this seems like a > good alternative considering that the storage is unlimited and relatively > quick. > > Does anyone have one working with a NeXT? Could you tell me about it, please? > And how much does it go for... they said about $2900 retail. I keep thinking about that option, but I keep seeing no reason for it (at least for my purposes). I figure that, for around $3000, I can buy a 1.2Gig HD (with less than 19ms seek) AND a DAT (which also has unlimited storage). So you have twice as much storage on-line, with a faster access to it. The only disadvantage is that data on tape is not as fast to bring online as data on a optical disk lying on a shelf. On the other hand, how are you going to back up an entire optical disk? Don't you have to transfer chunks of it on a hard disk, and then back to a different optical disk? Sounds like going back to floppies, just in a bigger scale :-) That problem does not exist with DAT. I am sure someone on the net will convince me I am wrong :-) -- Gianfranco Ciardo -- Gianfranco Ciardo
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next-Attachment header Message-ID: <17973@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 15 Jan 93 02:24:51 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Does anyone know the entire semantics (or whatever) of the NeXTmail Next-Attachment header? For instance, take the following line Next-Attachment: .tar.X.subject.attach, Y, 1/1, A, B I know Y is the length of the uuencoded file, I have no idea what 1/1 is but I guess it's for future support of fragmented NeXTmail items?, and I haven't a clue about X, A, or B. If you just put some random number in there for X it seems to work fine; I put 0's in for A and B and things work, but some really funky directories get created in the mailbox. (I also assume that when NeXTmail gets a duplicate subject/*.attach directory, it just puts a random one in, right?) ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ ... Fortunately, the responsibility for providing evidence is on the part of the person making the claim, not the critic. It is not the responsibility of UFO skeptics to prove that a UFO has never existed, nor is it the responsibility of paranormal-health-claims skeptics to prove that crystals or colored lights never healed anyone. The skeptic's role is to point out claims that are not adequately supported by acceptable evidcence and to provide plausible alternative explanations that are more in keeping with the accepted body of scientific evidence. ... - Thomas L. Creed, The Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. XII No. 2, pg. 215
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: Low-level format of NeXT system Message-ID: <1993Jan15.023632.2002@selway.umt.edu> Organization: University of Montana Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 02:36:32 GMT Can anyone out there provide information on doing a low-level format or surface analysis on a NeXT Colorstation, plus reinstalling 3.0 by booting from CD-ROM. Thanks in advance. Rich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: amr@chiton.ucsd.edu (Tony Richardson) Subject: Should I upgrade to 3.0? Message-ID: <1993Jan14.225107.26280@chiton.ucsd.edu> Keywords: NeXTStep, 3.0, Upgrade Organization: MPL of SIO at UCSD Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 22:51:07 GMT I've put off upgrading to 3.0 because of the various problems/bugs that have been reported in this news group. What most concerns me are the reports that the C programming environment seems to be all messed up under 3.0. I don't understand all of the details and am seeking enlightenment. I'm not a NeXTStep/Objective-C programmer. I program in C and I have a lot of C/C++ programs I've gotten from various archives installed on my machine. How painful will it be for me to try and get C and C++ programs to compile under 3.0? Are there easy fixes for the problems that have been encountered? Should I just stick with 2.1 until NeXT gets the bugs worked out? I'm concerned about the incompatibilities between NeXT's C++ and the latest version of g++. I suspect that I'm not the only one concerned by these problems. Are there real problems with NeXTStep 3.0? Is NeXT doing anything about them? -- Tony Richardson ----------------------------------------------- Marine Physical Laboratory (619) 534-5809 amr@mpl.ucsd.edu (619) 534-5255 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jtduran@athena.mit.edu (Jason Tomas Duran) Subject: Re: Anybody know a Book store that can send Garfinkel & Mahoney out fast? Message-ID: <1993Jan15.040615.8788@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: MIT Sloan School of Management References: <1993Jan14.202021.22584@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 04:06:15 GMT In article <1993Jan14.202021.22584@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl writes: >I am looking for a way to get the book here fast. So I am looking for a way to >order it via MasterCard and get it shipped here by air. Anybody know a store >where they can handle that and that has the book avialable? > >Preferably by e-mail but fax will do to. You might want to try Quantum books. quanbook@world.std.com --jt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Subject: Re: need a cheapter database Message-ID: <1993Jan15.000211.12341@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Jan13.085310.28696@cubetech.com> <1993Jan14.002615.7448@pencom.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 00:02:11 GMT In article <1993Jan14.002615.7448@pencom.com> ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) writes: >Andrew Loewenstern writes: > >> Drake M. Roberts writes: >> >Are there any databases for the NeXT which are cheaper than >> >Sybase and Oracle and can still be used by an Objective-C >> >app via DBKit? >> >> IndexingKit comes free with NeXTSTEP and may suit your needs. There >> is no DBKit adaptor available as of yet that I know of, but you could >> write your own if you felt it was necessary. >> >> >> andrew >> -- >> andrew@cubetech.com > > >Is there any (good or bad) documentation on how to write a DBKit adaptor? Getting documentation out of NeXT was extremely difficult during the prerelease program. I don't know if that has changed. In any event, there is very little documentation outside of a 3-page doc describing a bit about how they work and header-files/class descriptions. The best way to learn how to write one is to look at the source to one that already works. However, depending on what features you want to support, they aren't incredibly difficult to write (outside of interfacing with the database, of course). There's a really big difference between writing an adaptor and a *good* adaptor though... (not that I've ever written a *good* adaptor... ;-) andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Subject: dwrite for Workspace path under 3.0? Message-ID: <1993Jan15.135850.2217@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 13:58:50 GMT Hi. According to FAQ.os, dwrite Workspace ApplicationPaths "new path" worked under 2.0. It doesn't work unser 3.0. Can anybody tell me the new dwrite for 3.0? Thanks in advance. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory MIT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) Subject: 128 MByte Optical Drives and NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan15.125044.14808@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 12:50:44 GMT Does anyone have an experience in connecting a 128 MByte R/W optical to a NeXT? Can we expect that SCSI versions of these devices will work without problems? Thanks much. - Max | William R. Herndon \ The MITRE Corporation, Dept. G023 | | EMail: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org \ Secure Information Technology | | NeXTMail: bill@mephisto.gotham.com \ MS-Z231, 703.883.6393 | | | | "The world bores you when you're cool." - Calvin |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) Subject: Very interesting article: Japanyes Message-ID: <1993Jan15.141355.15171@bmers95.bnr.ca> Sender: usenet@bmers95.bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 14:13:55 GMT I got a soft copy of article "Japanyes". It was written by Louis Leclerc from Bell-Northern Research. The article is long but very well-written. After having read it, I wonder where the relationship between NeXT and Canon should go. If you want a copy of this article, please send me email. P.S. USA Today is talking to Louis Leclerc about publishing the article. Hayward email:hlam@bnr.ca Here is the author's word about the article. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Louis (L.S.) Leclerc (BNR) Dept 7D76 MER Subject: tempee Here is the article on Japan I wrote. Economic parts are mine, socio cultural parts are Misuzu's (which I transcribed for her). It'll scare you and it should. I love the Japanese people but won't buy anything from their country. Miz already knows this and the article explains why. Because I am american (and it is intended primarily to that audience), this article is written from the American perspective, which is quite self evident once you start to read it. Ironically, it was Miz who chose the title for my article after reading it. Please read it to the end before drawing any conclusions. It has reached the AVP level of mgmt at NT in Toronto and has circulated around BNR quite a lot in the US as well as many many other corporations. Reception of it has been very favorable. I've recieved over 1000 letters about it since its first 'publication' last november (almost all positive). Below is the article as it has circulated around the world.: The intro is by a guy from motorola, the afterword by a guy from U of Chicago. It takes about 25 minutes to read completely.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dlewis@fnma.com Subject: Re: Insite's floptical Message-ID: <1993Jan15.142835.15120@almserv.uucp> Sender: usenet@almserv.uucp Organization: Fannie Mae References: <1j4fjiINNg6r@cs.tut.fi> Distribution: inet Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 14:28:35 GMT > Ok, does this work on a NeXT? My guess is that at least it needs a > device driver. Is there such thing available? Does anyone know > anyone at Insite who might know the answer (e-mail address would be neat). Hi folks: I developed just such a "driver" for this floptical. You are correct in pointing out that write-lock makes this drive not a "plug-and-play" drive, and technical considerations aside, this is an unfortunate "feature". As well, the drive will not work with 2.x systems (as I recall) because its mode sense behavior is incompatible with the behavior of the 2.x driver. Nevertheless, the drive can be made to work on the 3.x system by writing a simple program that uses the generic SCSI (/dev/sgx) to twiddle the write-lock bit. It can be hacked from the NextDeveloper SCSI example, and requires only a rudimentary understanding of SCSI and the NeXT generic driver interface. I had only brief access to the sample unit I wrote the driver for, so I can't offer any real-life experiences. I do recall that formatting flopticals can be tricky . . . DL --- David Lewis Senior Software Engineer On contract to: Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) dlewis@fnma.com (NeXTmail OK), 202-752-4785
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Need help with NewsGrazer Message-ID: <1993Jan15.150420.18399@socrates.umd.edu> Keywords: NewsGrazer Organization: University of Maryland University College Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 15:04:20 GMT I have a SLIP link with supports nntp and would like to use NewsGrazer. Unfortunately every time I start NG (the latest version) it bombs-- it dissappears right after displaying "NewsGrazer /usr/spool/news" at the top of the NG window. I don't think it is a bug in NG. I took it home and ran it without problem (it just comes up and says there is no nntp link, so please reset Preferences, etc.) I ran it under gdb and it just says "Memory Exception" (associated with strcmp()) Anybody got any ideas I might try? Thanks, Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mac disks Message-ID: <4579@cvbnetPrime.COM> Date: 15 Jan 93 14:32:06 GMT Sender: postnews@cvbnetPrime.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Computervision I have a NextStation running 3.0. I tried popping in a 1.4MB diskette formatted on a Macintosh (and containing some files written on the Macintosh), but my Next tossed it out after a couple of seconds (without even the "uninitialized disk" popup dialog box). I looked around the Man pages and release notes, but couldn't find any help, even tho' I was under the impression that 3.0 could read/write Mac diskettes... So, how does one mount (or read/write) Macintosh diskettes? Thanks. Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730 fax: (617) 275-8506
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Non Next printers Date: 15 Jan 1993 16:16:58 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1j6o1qINNj8l@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993Jan8.031209.22842@bliss.uucp> In article <1993Jan8.031209.22842@bliss.uucp> krishnan@bliss.uucp (Dr. Ganapathy Krishnan) writes: #I'd like to know if there's anyone there who has connected generic #postscript printers such as HP Laserjets to the Next. I presume that #you need to connect it to a serial port. What is the highest baud #rate you can run it at, and how good is its performance ? # #Please email me directly. # #Thanks in advance. # #krishnan@stetson.bitnet We connected an HP LaserJet 4M to our NeXT, a PC and Appletalk simultaniously. The LJ4M has "hot" ports and will automagically grab data from whichever port there is data. We configured our NeXT connect to run at 9600 and 19200 and there was never a problem at either speed. The LJ4M can handle at 56Kb if you like, although I am not sure the NeXT could burst data that fast. One important thing, we had to turn on software flow control to get it to work (XON/XOFF) because we made our own cable and didn't have it wired for hardware flow control. Still, it worked like a dream. Wonderful printer, btw. We were able to replace two existing printers with the LJ4M because it can plug into just about anything.... -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn) Subject: Re: WordPerfect - PIECE OF CRAP!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan15.194044.12608@pellns.alleg.edu> Sender: news@pellns.alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College References: <Jan15.013837.80296@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 19:40:44 GMT In article <Jan15.013837.80296@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu writes: | |It sure would be nice to have Nisus on the NeXT or at least a _decent_ |word processor for the best OS on earth.... | Can it be true that the best word processor running on the NeXT would be "Anything else running on SoftPC". The lack of standard - quality (meaning: "competitive with software that runs on other platforms and must compete in a large marketplace") word processors, spreadsheets, and databases (only the three most widely used business type programs) is probably what hinders the NeXT's marketing and renders a good networking/programming tool junk. Remember how Apple distributed the early Macs? They put in a FREE word processor that ranked with the best of its 1984 competition. And no flames about all the other great stuff that comes free with the NeXT. "It's got NeXTStep and NeXTApps and Mathematica and three different C compilers..." Fine what am I supposed to do with all this stuff, write my own damn word processor? Get A Clue Steve Jobs! You did it once! -- * Dave Blackburn dblackbu@alleg.edu flames to self@home.dev.null * * Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats, <>< religion, & the Dead * * (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) * * "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own" *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.lang.postscript From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) Subject: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <1993Jan15.190446.3613@boba.rhein-main.de> Sender: borris@boba.rhein-main.de Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 19:04:46 GMT Hey folks, there's a chance to connect a Canon CLC 300 (or 500) as a scanner and printer to DOS-PC's and Mac's. Does anybody know, if there's a chance to do this with a NeXT, too? Does anybody know an adress of somebody who sells such things? Thaks for answering -Borris- -- --- Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 - D-6000 Frankfurt am Main - Germany Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324 - e-mail borris@boba.rhein-main.de
From: songer@lexmark.com (Christopher Songer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TexView && The Screen Message-ID: <1993Jan15.195629.156848@lexmark.com> Date: 15 Jan 93 19:56:29 GMT Sender: usenet@lexmark.com (News Dude) Distribution: usa Organization: Lexington, KY Hi! TexView looks terrible as a previewer. Xdvi looks better. I'm sure I have set something up wrong, but since I just installed it from CDROM, I didn't really get any setup options. Information on how to fix it (if that's possible) would be truly appreciated. Thanks! -Chris songer@lexmark.com
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Date: 15 Jan 1993 09:47:03 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1j6tanINNmq8@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> In article <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: >In article <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: >> I called Pinnacle Micro and they said their PM-650 (or whatever) that is >> a 5.25" optical which seeks at 19ms like a hard drive *does* work with a >> NeXT with the drivers/etc that come with the NeXT. >> >> I am in the market for a HD + tape backup (DAT), but this seems like a >> good alternative considering that the storage is unlimited and relatively >> quick. >> >> Does anyone have one working with a NeXT? Could you tell me about it, please? >> And how much does it go for... they said about $2900 retail. > >I keep thinking about that option, but I keep seeing no reason for it >(at least for my purposes). >I figure that, for around $3000, I can buy a 1.2Gig HD (with less than >19ms seek) AND a DAT (which also has unlimited storage). >So you have twice as much storage on-line, with a faster access to it. > Good point. The only disadvantage is that data on tape is not as fast to bring online >as data on a optical disk lying on a shelf. > Another disadvantage is that the data on magnetic media can get currupt over time--one year shelf life--while optical data can stay archived for over ten years in a decent environment with no degradation. We have to transfer archived data to a different tape every year, clean the old tapes and then copy data to them for a year, etc. Going to optical media seems the most likely progression in terms of cost and reliability. But then again there is this crystal technology stuff with unlimited data storage. Does anyone know details about storing data on crystals. The data transfer rate must be killer since there are no moving parts. >On the other hand, how are you going to back up an entire optical disk? >Don't you have to transfer chunks of it on a hard disk, and then back to >a different optical disk? Sounds like going back to floppies, just in >a bigger scale :-) > The idea is supposed to be that the optical replaces the hard drive and can be the secure back up device at the same time. If the optical drive crashes, remove the disc and stick it in another optical device or back it up to another cheap backup device connected to the optical. >That problem does not exist with DAT. > ???? If you have a hard drive I suppose you are correct. >I am sure someone on the net will convince me I am wrong :-) > This person is not wrong at all, he just has an interesting perspective. I sure wish other would comment on this subject. maurices Oh yea, I'm trying to set something up for educators since Pinnacle is 20 minutes down the road. If anyone is interested I'll administrate the purchase of ten or more drives under a sole proprietership, all legal etc. The same goes for the Ocean products. Just give me a holler.......
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher,comp.sys.next.misc From: rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) Subject: NeXT Gopher Server Message-ID: <1993Jan15.162235.23878@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 16:22:35 GMT Is there a way for my NeXT machine to become a NeXT Gopher Server? --- Roy SeGuine NeXT Cyberspace Architech & SA rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: russ@psych.toronto.edu (Russell Sutherland) Subject: CDPlayer on NS3.0 Message-ID: <1993Jan15.180043.24286@psych.toronto.edu> Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 17:45:58 GMT This is probably a FAQ but I can not find it in the NeXT FAQ's. Q. How does one get the CDPlayer Application to work using NS3.0 and the Next CDROM Drive? A. I can sometimes get it to work if I log in as root and play with the proper timing of starting up the application and pushing in CD holder at just the correct time. After reading the documentation the came from CDPlayer0.8 it mentions to suid /usr/etc/disk and the Application. Well I tried this and still no success. The CD keeps getting ejected, several seconds after insertion. Error messages on the console look like: sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) -- Russell Sutherland Bell: (416)-978-5140 Office of the Dean Uucp: ...{utzoo,utgpu}!utas!russ Faculty of Arts and Science Internet: russ@artsci.utoronto.ca
From: srosie@umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Question about using a NeXT as an X server Date: 15 Jan 1993 18:41:52 GMT Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Message-ID: <1j70hgINNcub@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Originator: srosie@poe.ccs.itd.umich.edu I have a question I was hoping some kind soul on the net could help me with. A non-NeXT friend (who _might_ become a NeXT friend if he finds the system useful...) is trying to run Mathematica on a NeXT via an xterm from his HP workstation. While other X apps (e.g. xclock) seem to run fine, Mathematica seems to have a problem setting up a graphics window on his X terminal: he gets a "can't find x11ps " error. Presumably, x11ps is some program to convert mathematica's postscript output to X format. Does anyone know where I can get this program, or a workaround of some type. thanks in advance, rosie P.S. please email responses to: srosie@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu If people want, I'll summarize the responses and either e-mail them to those interested or post them to the net.
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 128 MByte Optical Drives and NeXT? Date: 15 Jan 1993 09:56:18 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1j6ts2INNmvg@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993Jan15.125044.14808@linus.mitre.org> In article <1993Jan15.125044.14808@linus.mitre.org> wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes: > Does anyone have an experience in connecting a 128 MByte R/W optical > to a NeXT? Can we expect that SCSI versions of these devices will > work without problems? > > Thanks much. I've tested the Ocean Vista 128 and the Vista 256 and they both work great on the NeXT. The only problem I had was that when I did a BuildDisk and tried to boot from the optical it didn't work at all. After putzing around with it I concluded that BuildDisk in NS 3.0 doesn't work. Can anyone confirm this or offer their experiences? I'll talk more privately if anyone needs more info. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jesperse@nas.nasa.gov (Dennis Jespersen) Subject: Crashing when trying to print Sender: news@nas.nasa.gov (News Administrator) Organization: Computational Fluid Dynamics Branch, NASA Ames Research Center Date: 15 Jan 93 09:53:33 Message-ID: <JESPERSE.93Jan15095333@rft28.nas.nasa.gov> I have been having regular crashes lately when trying to print. It doesn't happen immediately after a reboot, but after the machine has been up for a day or so, trying to print something is a surefire technique to force a crash. Here is the setup: NeXTcube with NeXTdimension board, 2 screens, printer, MAXTOR internal as SCSI 0, Fujitsu external as SCSI 2, WangDAT as SCSI 4, NeXT CD-ROM as SCSI 6, running NS 3.0. Here are the messages I saw in the ROM monitor the last time it crashed (after enscript -2r): sd2 (6,0) ERROR op:0x0 sd_state:2 scsi status:0x0 Target 6 BUSY retry 1 Target 6 BUSY retry 2 ... Target 6 BUSY retry 20 panic (Cpu 0) No more room in kernel map The only way to reboot was to pull the plug. Anybody else had similar problems? Any ideas? -- Dennis Jespersen Voice: (415) 604-6742 MS 202A-2 FAX: (415) 604-1095 NASA Ames Research Center email: jesperse@rft28.nas.nasa.gov Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 We have met the enemy and he is us. -- Pogo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Jan15113448@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 15 Jan 93 11:34:48 References: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> Organization: Is a sign of weakness In-reply-to: ciardo@cs.wm.edu's message of Fri, 15 Jan 1993 01:26:04 GMT In article <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: > In article <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> > wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: > > I called Pinnacle Micro and they said their PM-650 (or whatever) that is > > a 5.25" optical which seeks at 19ms like a hard drive *does* work with a > > NeXT with the drivers/etc that come with the NeXT. > > > > I am in the market for a HD + tape backup (DAT), but this seems like a > > good alternative considering that the storage is unlimited and relatively > > quick. > > > > Does anyone have one working with a NeXT? Could you tell me about it, please? > > And how much does it go for... they said about $2900 retail. > > I keep thinking about that option, but I keep seeing no reason for > it (at least for my purposes). I figure that, for around $3000, > I can buy a 1.2Gig HD (with less than 19ms seek) AND a DAT (which > also has unlimited storage). So you have twice as much storage > on-line, with a faster access to it. The only disadvantage is that > data on tape is not as fast to bring online as data on a optical > disk lying on a shelf. Also, make certain that before you purchase a removable, mountable drive, that you check out the media prices. A Syquest drive is very tempting at $400, but with 90M carts costing $90, it's a big loss for use as a backup medium. DAT media cost $12 apiece for 60m (1.2G) tapes, and $15 for 90m (2.0G) tapes. That's a very hard price to beat ... [OBFactoid: I've been testing out SafetyNet by Systemix (you didn't forbid me to talk, did you brian?), and though it's not quite as convenient to access backed up files as it was on optical, it _is_ really pretty decent. It can get at files in a minute or two using most DAT drive's seek commands. Pretty awesome.] Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <And my trusty sidekick, Decoy> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
From: droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: JPG images Message-ID: <1993Jan15.174512.26537@cs.umb.edu> Date: 15 Jan 93 17:45:12 GMT Sender: news@cs.umb.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston Are there any apps for the NeXT which can view JPG images? Are there any objects which I can use to view JPG images in my own apps?
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Call for Nominations: CD-ROM WORLD OPTICAL DISC PRODUCT OF THE YEAR Message-ID: <6273@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 15 Jan 93 17:35:05 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Call for Nominations: CD-ROM WORLD OPTICAL DISC PRODUCT OF THE YEAR Contact: Pat Ensor Phone: (713)743-9762 Fax:743-9748; Email: LIB38@JETSON.UH.EDU (Deadline: February 8, 1993) CD-ROM World, published by Meckler Corporation, is naming an optical disc product of the year for the second time. Last year's winner was Ethnic Newswatch. For this year's award, any consumer- oriented optical disc product which was newly released or substantially revised between March 1992 and March 1993 is eligible for consideration. The award will be based on exemplification of the following qualities. - Innovation and unique features, especially those which go beyond print capabilities - Success at satisfying the target audience - Value for cost - Orientation toward consumers - Uniqueness and value of data The award will be presented at Computers in Libraries 1993, which takes place in Washington DC on March 1-3. The award will also be featured prominently in a future issue of CD-ROM World. The deadline for nominations is February 8, 1993. Nomination forms are available from award judge Pat Ensor, author of CD-ROM Research Collections. The other judge will be noted CD-ROM authority Paul Nicholls of the University of Western Ontario. Publishers who wish to nominate a product should send a copy of the product to Pat Ensor as soon as possible, if they will not be displaying the product at ALA Midwinter in Denver. Pat Ensor may be contacted at University of Houston Libraries, Houston, TX 77204-2091; (713)743-9762; Fax:743-9748; LIB38@JETSON.UH.EDU.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) Subject: Re: Very interesting article: Japanyes Message-ID: <1993Jan15.185002.7730@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jan15.141355.15171@bmers95.bnr.ca> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 18:50:02 GMT In article <1993Jan15.141355.15171@bmers95.bnr.ca> hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) writes: > I got a soft copy of article "Japanyes". It was written by > Louis Leclerc from Bell-Northern Research. The article is > long but very well-written. After having read it, I wonder > where the relationship between NeXT and Canon should go. > If you want a copy of this article, please send me email. > > P.S. USA Today is talking to Louis Leclerc about publishing > the article. Hayward, My mail to you keeps bouncing, but I'd like to receive this article. -Marcos J. Polanco -shiva@vega.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Non Next printers Message-ID: <C0x0E3.CIG@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Jan8.031209.22842@bliss.uucp> <1j6o1qINNj8l@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 21:44:26 GMT In article <1j6o1qINNj8l@menudo.uh.edu> sears@uh.edu writes: [ ] > >We connected an HP LaserJet 4M to our NeXT, a PC and Appletalk >simultaniously. The LJ4M has "hot" ports and will automagically grab data >from whichever port there is data. We configured our NeXT connect to run >at 9600 and 19200 and there was never a problem at either speed. The LJ4M >can handle at 56Kb if you like, although I am not sure the NeXT could >burst data that fast. Can you send PCL files over Appletalk to the printer? What about the 600dpi issue? Can the NeXT handle it? [ ] Philip McDunnough philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: randy@appsoft.com (Randy Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JPG images Message-ID: <C0x12K.6HH@appsoft.com> Date: 15 Jan 93 21:59:07 GMT References: <1993Jan15.174512.26537@cs.umb.edu> Sender: news@appsoft.com Organization: APPSOFT In article <1993Jan15.174512.26537@cs.umb.edu> droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) writes: > Are there any apps for the NeXT which can view JPG images? > Are there any objects which I can use to view JPG images in my own apps? Appsoft Image lets you view and edit JPG images. Call 1-800-428-APPS for info. Randy Adams Appsoft
From: ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.next.misc,comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Re: PowerPC 601 chip (features) Message-ID: <1993Jan15.165854.12923@pencom.com> Date: 15 Jan 93 16:58:54 GMT References: <tim-140193161106@129.38.222.43> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software Tim Olson writes: > Ricardo Parada wrote: > > > IBM says the 601 is an entry-level. So my question is: > > > > Does it have the accelerated graphics and advanced memory and data-bus > > support? > > The 601 has a bus interface which is very similar to the Motorola 88110 bus > (that is what the "advanced memory and data bus" referred to). It does not > have a graphics unit. > > -- Tim Olson > Apple Computer Inc. / Somerset > (tim@apple.com) What were kind of graphics operations does that unit have? -- + Ricardo J. Parada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Anybody know a Book store that can send Garfinkel & Mahoney out fast? Message-ID: <1993Jan16.011830.29063@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993Jan14.202021.22584@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 01:18:30 GMT In article <1993Jan14.202021.22584@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl writes: >I am looking for a way to get the book here fast. So I am looking for a way to >order it via MasterCard and get it shipped here by air. Anybody know a store >where they can handle that and that has the book avialable? >Preferably by e-mail but fax will do to. Probably the fastest, short of walking into a store that has it in stock, would be to call the publisher directly. They take your plastic (including AmEx) and (for a fee) will deliver by air. In the US, Springer Verlag has an 800 number: 777-4643. If you don't have access to US 800 service, the regular number (New Jersey) is (201) 348-4033. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JPG images Date: 16 Jan 1993 01:59:28 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <1j7q60INN89i@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <1993Jan15.174512.26537@cs.umb.edu> In article <1993Jan15.174512.26537@cs.umb.edu> droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) writes: >Are there any apps for the NeXT which can view JPG images? ImageViewer, in sonata.cc.purdue.edu, will view JFIF images. The bad thing is that ImageViewer has a memory leak--making your swap file grow larger, and larger, and larger... Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MS20BJ Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Core Application Technologies 1(415)857-3230 Fax 1(415)852-8026
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.dsp Subject: Announcing 576KB DSP memory expansion module Message-ID: <1993Jan15.173642.3831@nic.csu.net> From: th@futon.sfsu.edu (Tom Holton) Date: 15 Jan 93 17:36:39 PST Keywords: dsp, NeXT The Speech Recognition Lab at San Francisco State University has developed a DSP memory expansion board for the NeXT computer that provides the maximum memory supported by the DSP56001 processor. We are now offering this board to those whose are interested in high-performance custom DSP development. -- The board is a 576KB DSP expansion memory board organized as three non-overlapping 192KB banks: X-data, Y-data and Program. The board uses fast (<35ns) SRAM. This board compares with NeXT's DSP memory expansion board, which offers only 96KB in an imaged memory configuration. -- The board is a high-quality, 4-layer board, open-circuit tested prior to assembly. It fits into the DSP memory daughterboard slot on all NeXT machines. -- The price will be $600. Please let us know if you are interested. Delivery will be in about 3-4 weeks. -- Contact Tom Holton (th@ernie.sfsu.edu). E-mail is prefered. The address is: Tom Holton Division of Engineering San Francisco State University 1600 Holloway Avenue San Francisco, CA 94132 415/ 338-1529 (phone) 338-0525 (fax) Note: Because we've organized our memory as three separate (non-overlapping) banks (X, Y and P) of 192KB apiece, none of the DSP memory image functionality provided by NeXT with its existing 8K base configuration, or its 96KB DSP expansion module is supported. While we cannot guarantee that every existing DSP application ever written will be plug-and-play compatable with our DSP expansion memory, we are not aware of any existing applications that use the image functionality. The MusicKit, and demo programs that use the DSP, such as Mandlebrot and ScorePlayer, work fine with our memory module.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eno@ecom.com (Eno Compton) Subject: Re: Need help with NewsGrazer Message-ID: <C0x6qn.2so@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (news) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. References: <1993Jan15.150420.18399@socrates.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 00:01:34 GMT In article <1993Jan15.150420.18399@socrates.umd.edu> fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > I have a SLIP link with supports nntp and would like to use NewsGrazer. > Unfortunately every time I start NG (the latest version) it bombs-- > it dissappears right after displaying "NewsGrazer /usr/spool/news" at > the top of the NG window. I don't think it is a bug in NG. > I took it home and ran > it without problem (it just comes up and says there is no nntp link, so > please reset Preferences, etc.) I ran it under gdb and it just says > "Memory Exception" (associated with strcmp()) > > > Anybody got any ideas I might try? > > Thanks, > > Charlie > -- > NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and > charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my > | brother wizards. Low on disk space maybe? happened to me today.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Message-ID: <_cc3nn@rpi.edu> References: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 03:11:39 GMT wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: > I called Pinnacle Micro and they said their PM-650 (or whatever) that is > a 5.25" optical which seeks at 19ms like a hard drive *does* work with a > NeXT with the drivers/etc that come with the NeXT. Indeed. There's even a company (Radiant Technologies) which sells versions of the Pinnacle mechanisms for the NeXT. > I am in the market for a HD + tape backup (DAT), but this seems like a > good alternative considering that the storage is unlimited and relatively > quick. I'm pretty interested in MO drives too, but I don't think I'd go for the larger format. I'd rather get the 3.5" size, which has the same performance as the larger format but holds only (only?) 128meg on a cartridge. > Does anyone have one working with a NeXT? Could you tell me about it, > please? And how much does it go for... they said about $2900 retail. The 3.5" model should be selling for around $1500 to $1800, so with the money you'd save you could also buy a hard drive with a capacity of around 500 to 700 meg. I'd much rather have the hard drive coupled with the MO, for a variety of reasons. Cartridges for the 128meg MO drive are about $50 each, and seem to be coming down in price. I don't know what the cartridges for the larger MO drives cost. I'd also much rather have the MO drive (coupled with the HD) than a DAT tape (coupled with an HD). For one, I'm not fond of tapes due to my past experiences with them. For two, you could create bootable systems on a 128meg MO cartridge, and I don't think you could do that with a DAT drive. For three, while a DAT drive is a cheaper solution for doing backups, it doesn't really work as *more* disk space. No matter how much disk you buy, it won't be enough, and when it isn't enough that DAT tape just isn't going to substitute for more disk space. That's just my personal opinions, your mileage may vary, etc... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vlcek@mtl.mit.edu (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Re: WordPerfect - PIECE OF CRAP!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan16.043545.10959@athena.mit.edu> Sender: Jim Vlcek <vlcek@epimbe.com> Organization: EPI Software Systems, Chorus Corporation References: <1993Jan12.232615.9044@kynug.org> <1j20igINNaot@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> <1j2ol0INN7j0@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 04:35:45 GMT Well, I've gone into fits of shouting at WordPerfect on my NeXT, too... but I'm still grateful for the fact that one of the major PC apps (one of THE biggest selling apps, I should mention) is available on the NeXT. Sure, NeXTStep is 1000 times better than Windowze. But everyone else at work has a Windowze box, and I need to exchange files with them. You all may find it hard to swallow, but I'll happily support WP in its ongoing struggle to support WP for the NeXT. I only wish some other major vendors were willing to do the same. Jim Vlcek vlcek@epimbe.com
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Non Next printers Date: 15 Jan 1993 23:29:08 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1j7hc4INNhhb@menudo.uh.edu> References: <C0x0E3.CIG@utstat.toronto.edu> In article <C0x0E3.CIG@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: #In article <1j6o1qINNj8l@menudo.uh.edu> sears@uh.edu writes: # #[ ] #> #>We connected an HP LaserJet 4M to our NeXT, a PC and Appletalk #>simultaniously. The LJ4M has "hot" ports and will automagically grab data #>from whichever port there is data. We configured our NeXT connect to run #>at 9600 and 19200 and there was never a problem at either speed. The LJ4M #>can handle at 56Kb if you like, although I am not sure the NeXT could #>burst data that fast. # #Can you send PCL files over Appletalk to the printer? What about the 600dpi #issue? Can the NeXT handle it? # #[ ] # #Philip McDunnough #philip@utstat.toronto.edu There are two new drivers on sonata.cc.purdue.edu, one for 300dpi and one for 600dpi. We didn't install them when we were testing the printer, so we used the HP LaserJet IIIP description. That description worked just fine... Yes, you can send PCL files over appletalk. The HP 4M can auto sense the data comming in the stream and determine if it is PCL or PostScript. It will then rip accordingly. It is a really nice printer and it came with a laserprinter drivers for Windows and the Mac and both of allowed 600dpi from a PC and a Mac. -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: grw@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (George Wu) Subject: McGill X11R4 server under NeXTSTEP 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Jan16.071600.14087@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 07:16:00 GMT I recently upgraded my NeXTStation to NeXTSTEP 3.0 and everything seems to work fine so far. One exception is the McGill X11R4 server. Under NeXTSTEP 3.0 the mouse buttons are not recognized correctly by the X server. No matter which mouse button I click the X server always think it is mouse button 1 (i.e. the left mouse button). Has anyone encountered similar problems ? Does anyone know of a solution to the problem ? Any help is greatly appreciated. George Wu
From: pkron@corona.wa.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sending NeXTMail via Sun sendmail Message-ID: <8.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 21:34:00 PDT References: <1993Jan14.122809.3328@walter.cray.com> Organization: Corona Design, Inc. > From: dbbrown@eastrg2.cray.com (Dan Brown) > Subject: Sending NeXTMail via Sun sendmail > Message-ID: <1993Jan14.122809.3328@walter.cray.com> > Date: 14 Jan 93 12:28:09 CST > > Before I try to write an app to do this, I was wondering if there > are any existing apps or methods that allow me to compose NeXT mail > on my NeXT, upload it to a Sun and then pipe the message thru > sendmail to deliver the mail over the internet? Of course, the appropriate > return address would reflect the local Sun address. > -- > ____/ __ / __ / / / Dan Brown That is pretty much plug and play. We had a Sun mailserver with uucp on our ethernet. We ran one NeXT with sendmail.mailhost.cf and the rest with sendmail.sharedsubsidiary.cf. Sendmail.mailhost.cf was modified so that the mail-relay was the name of our Sun. (I believe we could have simplified matters by just defining mail-relay as an alias for the Sun.) A couple "minor" mods were made to the config files to get the return address right, but these were not necessary with NS3.0. (Unfortunately I don't have access to the specific changes at the moment.) --------------- Peter Kron Corona Design, Inc. Peter_Kron@corona.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hal@niftyneato.com(Hal Fox-Palmer) Subject: Black paint for NeXT ? Message-ID: <1993Jan15.162535.3604@niftyneato.com> Sender: hal@niftyneato.com Organization: Hal's phony Co. Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 16:25:35 GMT In a recent post it was mentioned where you could get black "NeXT" paint, Sprayon Paint Omni-Packblend 4Next-Black (icon black) LAV-16 25216 1-800-777-2966 I called the 800# and was told that they only made the cans and solvent not paint. So my question is, does anyone know where to get this paint ?? Thanks :-) Hal hal@niftyneato.com
From: rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu (Rob Snyder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: LoginTiffs... Date: 16 Jan 1993 18:48:27 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1j9l9rINNbil@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Howdy, I just have a real quick question, What is the easiest way to change my Loginwindow Tiff under 3.0... I tried the dwrite command I used under 2.0 and it didn't work. Perhapse I forgot the exact syntax, but any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks... Rob. -- *--------------------------------------------------* * Rob Snyder. /\/e><T Mail accepted * * 'snyderre@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu' * * 'rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu' * * (812)877-8721 * *--------------------------------------------------*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: walters@rdr.com Subject: Re: need a cheapter database Message-ID: <1993Jan16.083441.26921@rdr.com> Organization: RDR, Inc. References: <1993Jan13.163411.3224@ccsi.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 08:34:41 GMT sapphire!shill (Sean L. Hill) writes: > Also the Informix adaptor is more full-fledged than the adaptors provided > by NeXT for Sybase and Oracle... > Can you elaborate on that? What specifically makes it "better?" Definitely interested, -- Chris > -Sean > > -- > Sean L. Hill > CCSI Computers -- Chris Walters (walters@rdr.com) +-------------------- RDR, Inc. |Home of PowerPalettes... 10600 Arrowhead Drive, Suite 350 +-------------------- Fairfax, VA 22030 (703) 591-8713, (703) 273-8170 FAX
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dcarpent@sju.edu (D. Carpenter) Subject: DL doesn't index Frame files Message-ID: <C0yHKn.DGt@sju.edu> Sender: dcarpent@sju.edu (D. Carpenter) Organization: St. Joseph's University Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 16:53:11 GMT I've tried everything I can think of, so now its time to plead for help. When I upgraded to 3.0, I found that Digital Librarian would no longer index FrameMaker files. Then I saw a posting by Gary Ritchie which explained that it is necessary to manually register services in 3.0, so I added the ThirdPartyFilters.service file to my /LocalLibrary folder as he instructed. And now here's the odd part. I did this on my NeXTstation color at my office and now Frame files are index; no problem. I went home and did the same thing on my 040 Cube running 3.0 software and DL _still_ won't index Frame files. Both systems have the same versions of the OS, DL and FrameMaker, and I copied the format of the ThirdPartyFilters.service file directly from Ritchie's memo. Does anyone have any idea of what Ritchie's fix would work one time and not another? Thanks in advance for any help, David Carpenter dcarpent@sju.edu -- =============================================================== David Carpenter dcarpent@sjuphil.UUCP St. Joseph's University dcarpent@sju.edu Philadelphia, PA 19131 (215) 660-1871
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.lang.postscript From: ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) Subject: Re: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <1993Jan16.203415.2294@cs.tu-berlin.de> Sender: news@cs.tu-berlin.de Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany References: <1993Jan15.190446.3613@boba.rhein-main.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 20:34:15 GMT borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: >Hey folks, > >there's a chance to connect a Canon CLC 300 (or 500) as a scanner and printer >to DOS-PC's and Mac's. Does anybody know, if there's a chance to do this with a >NeXT, too? Does anybody know an adress of somebody who sells such things? > Dots by Frederico Heinz was supposed to be adapted to the CLC-300. As far as I know it is marketed by d'Art Computer, Hamburg, Germany. Their phone number in Kiel is ++49-431-92323. I don't know their number in Hamburg right now. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ernst Kloecker phone: ++49-30-6181635 e-mail: ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: steve@madhatter.ucsb.edu (Steve Trainoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Message-ID: <STEVE.93Jan16113718@madhatter.ucsb.edu> Date: 16 Jan 93 19:37:18 GMT References: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: University of California at Santa Barbara, Physics program In-reply-to: ciardo@cs.wm.edu's message of 15 Jan 93 01:26:04 GMT In article <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: On the other hand, how are you going to back up an entire optical disk? Don't you have to transfer chunks of it on a hard disk, and then back to a different optical disk? Sounds like going back to floppies, just in a bigger scale :-) That problem does not exist with DAT. Why do you think that the duplication problem doesn't exist with tapes? If I hand you a a DAT and ask you to copy it what do you do? You certainly aren't going to stick it in your tape duping box :-) It seems a little pointless to compare tapes and optical disks. Tapes are useful as archival storage and optical disks are useful as working storage. I don't see the conflict. (ie. I'd really like both) -- ...STeve ------------------------------------ Insert pithy maxim here... steve@tweedledee.ucsb.edu (NeXT mail)
From: Alex Raftis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JPG images Message-ID: <1993Jan16.234520.172081@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 16 Jan 93 23:45:20 GMT References: <C0x12K.6HH@appsoft.com> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <1993Jan15.174512.26537@cs.umb.edu> droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) writes: > Are there any apps for the NeXT which can view JPG images? The current version of GraphicsWorkshop, which can be found at sonata.cc.purdue.edu in the submissions directory, can read jpeg files and save them out to a number of formats. The version that should be released in a day or so can also write jpeg files. > Are there any objects which I can use to view JPG images in my own apps? GraphicsWorkshop is mainly just a demo app that I wrote in order to show off a series of objects for working with graphic images. The underlying objects, when used with your own programs, in conjunction with NeXT's run time linking allows your programs to read and write all graphics formats corresponding to converters found in users' library folders. The current release handles gif, jpg, tiff, xbm, ppm, pgm, and pbm images. The soon to be released next version also supports pcx files. The programmer's interface to GraphicsWorkshop can also be found at sonata.cc.purdue.edu, but you'll need to make sure to get the GWSource.tar.Z file as well as the binary file. Hopefully the documentation, readme files, and examples will be enough to allow you to use the objects in your own code. Alex -- ______________________________________________________ Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anybody know a Book store that can send Garfinkel & Mahoney out fast? Date: 17 Jan 1993 00:32:26 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <1ja9eqINNke2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Jan14.202021.22584@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> <1993Jan16.011830.29063@macc.wisc.edu> In article <1993Jan16.011830.29063@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >Probably the fastest, short of walking into a store that has >it in stock, would be to call the publisher directly. They >take your plastic (including AmEx) and (for a fee) will >deliver by air. In the US, Springer Verlag has an 800 >number: 777-4643. If you don't have access to US 800 >service, the regular number (New Jersey) is (201) 348-4033. I had thought this would be the case so I ordered directly from Springer in early December before the book was printed. However, high-tech bookstores in my area had copies before I received mine. Springer seemed to take almost 2 weeks to ship my book after it was available, but the holiday period in December may have caused some of the delay. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New version of Mouse-X front end now available Message-ID: <7390@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 17 Jan 93 01:25:01 GMT References: <Jan11.055717.40471@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <1993Jan13.091434.8853@ppgfr.uucp> Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, UCSB In article <1993Jan13.091434.8853@ppgfr.uucp> wolpert@mars (Florian Wolpert) writes: >rlabelle@lamar.colostate.edu writes: >: >: Speaking of X11R5 servers..is one available for "MouseX" that >: runs on non-turbo color stations ? The X11R5 color turbo version >: mentioned in the original post didn't work on my non-turbo color >: machine. > >This of interest for me too. I think many others are in the same >situation so a port to non-turbos would be a great convenience. > I have just finished a working version of the R5 color non-turbo "Mouse-X" server. I have a few more kinks I would like to get out of it, and then I will make it available. Then some time after that I hope to get a new R5 monochrome version working as well. Stay tuned. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kaya@world.std.com (Kaya Bekiroglu) Subject: Has the new NeXTWORLD arrived? Yet? Message-ID: <C0zB3s.KzG@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 03:31:03 GMT I'm hearing talk about the 'new NeXTWORLD' which I assume to be Spring 93. I haven't got it yet, have you? I got the January EXTRA, (with a note telling me my subscription to the EXTRA will soon expire) but as for the actual magazine, no. It's bad enough that it comes four times a year. What other magazines are there? I've heard of BaNG and NeXTWATCH but I have no idea what the subscription rates are or where to send for it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Subject: Re: JPG images Message-ID: <1993Jan17.004612.26930@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Jan15.174512.26537@cs.umb.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 00:46:12 GMT In article <1993Jan15.174512.26537@cs.umb.edu> droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) writes: >Are there any apps for the NeXT which can view JPG images? >Are there any objects which I can use to view JPG images in my own apps? GraphicsWorkshop will view them along with most of the other formats supported by pbmplus. It's free on sonata... andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (Michael Suk-Young Chwe) Subject: Hangul on NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan16.213131.18913@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 21:31:31 GMT Hello everyone! I am looking for information about using Hangul (Korean) on the NeXT. I remember a post a while ago from Yu Consulting at the U of Texas saying that they were looking for beta-testers. Does anyone have any ideas? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Michael Chwe Department of Economics University of Chicago Please reply (non-NeXT mail only) to chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu
From: gil@asterix.lbl.gov (Gil Rivlis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Has the new NeXTWORLD arrived? Yet? Date: 17 Jan 1993 09:06:58 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jb7jiINNsj7@overload.lbl.gov> References: <C0zB3s.KzG@world.std.com> In article Kaya Bekiroglu writes: > I'm hearing talk about the 'new NeXTWORLD' which I assume > to be Spring 93. I haven't got it yet, have you? > > I got the January EXTRA, (with a note telling me my > subscription to the EXTRA will soon expire) but as for > the actual magazine, no. > > It's bad enough that it comes four times a year. What > other magazines are there? I've heard of BaNG and NeXTWATCH > but I have no idea what the subscription rates are or > where to send for it. Well, From now on, NeXTWORLD will be published 6 (six) times a year, and that's the reason they gave for unbundling the EXTRA. Indeed I got the latest and I think it's Jan-Feb 1993. However, I don't have right here so I cannot make sure. Gil -- Gil Rivlis, Department of Physics, UC Berkeley gil@asterix.lbl.gov (NeXT Mail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.lang.postscript From: marcel@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Subject: Re: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <1993Jan16.233502.6292@cs.tu-berlin.de> Sender: news@cs.tu-berlin.de Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany References: <1993Jan15.190446.3613@boba.rhein-main.de> <1993Jan16.203415.2294@cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 23:35:02 GMT ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) writes: [...request for NeXT <-> CLC-300 software..] >Dots by Frederico Heinz was supposed to be adapted to the CLC-300. As far A product that's actually been around longer (for the CLCs) is ColorX10i. How do I know? I'm the author. It was actually shown at CeBit last year at the Canon booth and again this October at the Orgatech in Cologne. The current version works under NeXTStep 2.1 or 3.0, a new version optimized for 3.0 and otherwise greatly enhanced is just about finished It's available from HSD Systemcenter in Berlin +49 30 881081. A version also exists for the CLC-10 (Cj-10 in the US). The new version will support a variety of other printers. Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: swiet@poincare.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) Subject: Re: PasteUp Trick! Message-ID: <1993Jan17.121840.20875@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Sender: news@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Usenet news system) Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD References: <C0pv1n.Fry@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan12.035933.27818@athena.mit.edu> <1itij4INNt3c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 12:18:40 GMT In article <1itij4INNt3c@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: > Maybe Chromagrafx was just demonstrating how PixelMaster could change eye >colorings :-) Could have been colored contacts. :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eno@ecom.com (Eno Compton) Subject: Re: Has the new NeXTWORLD arrived? Yet? Message-ID: <C103x6.EoF@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (news) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. References: <C0zB3s.KzG@world.std.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 13:53:29 GMT In article <C0zB3s.KzG@world.std.com> kaya@world.std.com (Kaya Bekiroglu) writes: > I'm hearing talk about the 'new NeXTWORLD' which I assume > to be Spring 93. I haven't got it yet, have you? I received the Feb/Mar NeXTWorld about a week ago.
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Improv Exporting Data Into WordPerfect Message-ID: <8718@news.duke.edu> Date: 17 Jan 93 14:23:09 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu My wife (The C/Unix Programming Goddess (tm)) and I just recently acquired editorship of the newsletter of our local cycling club. When going over some of the responsibilities with our club treasurer, he showed us a slick feature on Excel/Word that allowed him to do a MailMerge of data from Excel through a Word merge file to come up with the ride list for the group. I was mucking around with Improv last night to see if this could also be done, but didn't have a whole lot of luck. Any thoughts? (BTW: I imagine this might be a feature of DataPhile, but I thought I would check first with the net since I own Improv and WordPerfect.) Peace (from The Physician who Mungs Unix Well) -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD | Internet:dblakele@acpub.duke.edu | | Ambulatory Care Service (11C) | BITNET:blake007@dukemc.mc.duke.edu | | Durham VA Medical Center | FORUM:blakeley,dean d@durham.va.gov | | Durham NC 27705 | NeXTMail accepted #include <disclaim.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kaya@world.std.com (Kaya Bekiroglu) Subject: Re: Has the new NeXTWORLD arrived? Yet? Message-ID: <C105y9.L1C@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <C0zB3s.KzG@world.std.com> <C103x6.EoF@csn.org> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 14:37:20 GMT In article <C103x6.EoF@csn.org> eno@ecom.com (Eno Compton) writes: >In article <C0zB3s.KzG@world.std.com> kaya@world.std.com (Kaya Bekiroglu) >writes: >> I'm hearing talk about the 'new NeXTWORLD' which I assume >> to be Spring 93. I haven't got it yet, have you? >I received the Feb/Mar NeXTWorld about a week ago. I'll bet it's US MAIL that's causing all the trouble. It's probably the reason it reaches newstands first, too. -- --- Kaya Bekiroglu kaya@world.std.com [If you were looking for something witty and amusing here, then
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bagchi@oosik.sprl.umich.edu (Ranjan Bagchi) Subject: What's with mail.app?? Message-ID: <1993Jan17.170014.20931@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Sender: news@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Mr. News) Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 17:00:14 GMT I've got to be missing something. Is there no way to include a text file into an outgoing mail message? Not as an attachment, but like ~r in /usr/ucb/Mail. Tell me I was just scanning a bit too fast in the help pages... -rj -- Ranjan Bagchi bagchi@oosik.sprl.umich.edu o o oooo ooo o o oooooooo NeXTMail accepted here! oo oooo o oo ooo oo oo oo o o oooo ooo o o oooooooo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: mahesh@numenor.next.nd.edu (Mahesh "BigMan" Subramanya) Subject: Help decreasing space used by netinfo Message-ID: <1993Jan17.174740.29051@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame Distribution: na Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 17:47:40 GMT I've got around 30 NeXTs here, each running 3.0, that are all standalone boxes. As such, I load the master password file indivudally one each computer. The password file has about 15,000 entries, and the /etc/netinfo directory ends up occupying 17MB !!! Under 2.1, the password file occupied only around 2MB. What is going on?? Any ideas anyone? The NeXTs all have 100MB drives, and space is critical. Also, for many reasons, using a netinfo server is NOT an option The user accounts all have an extra "info" field in netinfo space. Why? And *what* is making the accounts take up virtually 1K per user in netinfo space??? -- ********************* DALEKS RULE ************************* Mahesh Subramanya INTERNET: mahesh@darwin.cc.nd.edu Senior Analyst Office of University Computing University of Notre Dame Voice: (219) 631-6421 Notre Dame, IN 46556 Fax: (219) 631-8201
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sapphire!shill (Sean L. Hill) Subject: Re: need a cheapter database (rtf) Message-ID: <1993Jan17.165941.1089@ccsi.com> Sender: shill@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jan16.083441.26921@rdr.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 16:59:41 GMT In article <1993Jan16.083441.26921@rdr.com> walters@rdr.com writes: > sapphire!shill (Sean L. Hill) writes: > > Also the Informix adaptor is more full-fledged than the adaptors provided > > by NeXT for Sybase and Oracle... > > > Can you elaborate on that? What specifically makes it "better?" > > Definitely interested, > -- Chris > > -- > Chris Walters (walters@rdr.com) +-------------------- > RDR, Inc. |Home of PowerPalettes... > 10600 Arrowhead Drive, Suite 350 +-------------------- > Fairfax, VA 22030 (703) 591-8713, (703) 273-8170 FAX INFORMIX Adaptor for the NeXT DBKit Current Adaptor Version: 4.10h Software Requirements The INFORMIX adaptor for the NeXT DBKit is based on ESQL/C 4.10.UC2. That means that it can be used in combination with every INFORMIX RDBMS of version 4.10 or higher. It cannot (shouldn't) be used with eg. an 4.00 INFORMIX RDBMS (that means: it might work, but is NOT supported)!!! The current release of the adaptor is a BETA version and was developed on NeXTSTEP 3.0 (Hyper3B)). In order to use the Informix adaptor with an existing Informix database you must have additionally either Informix-SE 4.10 (local databases) or Informix-Net 4.10 (remote databases) installed on your NeXT computer! You cannot use the Informix adaptor without one of these products! If you want to use the Informix adaptor in a client/server environment you might have to install on the Informix databases server machine additional Informix software like Informix-Net or Informix-Star. Here are some example configuration scenarios: Standalone configuration: The Informix database(s) and the DBKit based application(s) are located on the same NeXT computer. Your need to have at least Informix-SE installed on your machine. I would recommend to have also Informix-SQL installed on that system, which makes administration of your Informix databases easier! Heterogenous Client/Server configuration: The Informix database(s) are located on a different Unix machine. The DBKit application(s) are on the NeXT computer. On the NeXT you have to have at least Informix-Net installed (plus optional Informix-SQL for easier database administration). On the the database server machine you should have an Informix database engine (Informix-SE or Informix-OnLine) plus the related Informix network product installed (Informix-Net for an SE database, Informix-Star for an OnLine database). As said in the first paragraph, the Informix database engine/network product on the server machine must have a version number of 4.10 or higher! NeXT Client/Server configuration: The Informix database(s) are located on different NeXT computer than the DBKit applications. On the NeXT machine where the Informix database(s) reside you need to have Informix-Net 4.10 installed and configured. On every NeXT client machine which needs access to the Informix database on the NeXT database server machine you need to have Informix-Net installed and configured. At least on the NeXT database server machine I would recommend to have additionally Informix-SQL installed (see above). Installation of the Informix adaptor Just copy the Informix.adaptor folder as user root into the /NextLibrary/Adaptors directory. Basic adaptor configuration If you installed the INFORMIX DB products (eg. INFORMIX-SE or INFORMIX-Net) in the /usr/informix directory you don't have to configure anything. IMPORTANT: If you installed the INFORMIX products in a different directory than /usr/informix you have to execute the following command: dwrite InformixAdaptor INFORMIXDIR <directory_with_installed_prods> Database naming conventions In order to select a database in the login panel of the adaptor you either have to enter the complete path eg. /me/stores (local SE DB) //other_system/me/stores (remote SE DB) //other_system/stores (remote OnLine DB) or if you have set the DBPATH environment variable (see below) correctly you can use only the database name w/o a complete path: stores (local or remote DB) Advanced adaptor configuration In addition to INFORMIXDIR, the adaptor supports in the current release the following INFORMIX specific environment variables: DBDATE DBMONEY DBLANG (only useful as soon as msg files in different languages are available on the NeXT platform) DBPATH (useful, if you want to use the Informix database name only - not the complete path) If you want to use one of these variables you have to 'dwrite' it. Eg: dwrite InformixAdaptor DBDATE "DMY4." IMPORTANT: In order to use the DBMONEY variable in combination with a MONEY/DECIMAL column, you must set the data type in DBModeler from 'Double' to 'String'! The adaptor also supports some additional Informix database engine specific functions which can be set by using the NeXTSTEP dwrite mechanism. Here is an overview about the dwrite's which are currently supported by the Informix adaptor: dwrite InformixAdaptor GlobalIsolationLevel <a valid isolation level> Sets the isolation level for the application directly after opening the database. Default is "COMMITTED READ". dwrite InformixAdaptor GlobalOptimization <HIGH/LOW> Sets the Informix optimizer level to HIGH (default) or LOW after opening the database. dwrite InformixAdaptor GlobalLockMode <NOT WAIT/WAIT/ WAIT secs.> Sets the lock mode of the application after opening the database. Valid only in combination with a remote database. Has no effect on a local NeXT SE database. Default: NOT WAIT. dwrite InformixAdaptor GlobalExplain <OFF/ON> Executes the SET EXPLAIN statement with the desired parameter after opening the database. Default: OFF. dwrite InformixAdaptor InformixLogErrors <NO/YES> This feature logs every SQL error using the syslogd deamon (Console...). Default: NO. dwrite InformixAdaptor DBInfo <NO/YES> This dwrite triggers a pop-up window (see below) which displays useful information about the current database after a successful connection to the database. Default: NO. Informix adaptor features The adaptor in the current version supports the following features: Informix database engine types and modes: local 4.10 SE. remote 4.10 SE, 4.10 OnLine, 5.00 SE, 5.00 OnLine via I-Net. Databases w/o logging, with logging and in mode ANSI. Supported Informix SQL statements and data types: SELECTs, INSERTs, UPDATEs, DELETEs on all Informix SQL data types. The adaptor supports SELECT FOR UPDATE in every SELECT/UPDATE or SELECT/DELETE cycle. Execution of eg. INFORMIX DDL statements using the 'evaluateString' method. An Informix adaptor specific method called 'getInformixSerialValue' in order to retrieve a SERIAL value after an INSERT operation. This method is bound to a DBDatabase object. In order to use it, you only have to call eg. [myDatabase getInformixSerialValue]. This method returns a long value. Automatic recognition of single unique indexes as unique keys (for DBModeler). The adaptor now fully supports an alternative handling of Informix TEXT data types like an Objective-C string type. You only have to define the column type in DBModeler from object to string. General features: Two language support for the adaptor login panel and the adaptor messages (English and German). No additional language support (yet) for the Informix message files! Special features: Beginning with version 4.10g2 the Informix adaptor supports a feature to automatically INSERT and UPDATE the values of the Informix SQL functions TODAY, CURRENT and USER into Informix database table columns. In order to use that feature you only have the set the property name (not the internal name!!) to the required functions in uppercase letters using the Attribute Inspector panel of the DBModeler application (see below). Current limits: In the current version of the adaptor you can have only one connection to an Informix database at a time. Outer joins as defined in the DBModeler application are currently not supported, although outer joins programmatically defined (eg. using the 'evaluateString' method) are definitely supported. Questions/Comments/Bug Reports Please send your questions, comments and/or bug reports to: INFORMIX Software GmbH Alexander Koerner Oskar-Messter-Str. 25 W-8045 Ismaning Germany Email: alexk@infmuc.informix.com (NeXTmail accepted...) 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Still looking for a site that is running PR2 Message-ID: <1993Jan17.192855.683@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 19:28:55 GMT Repost of my earlier post. I am still looking for a site that is running 3.0 PR2. Anybody with PR2 is kindly asked to contact me. -- Gerben Wierda Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de(Ralf Neumann) Subject: Frame Maker HELP HELP!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan17.201109.977@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de Organization: no Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 20:11:09 GMT Hello! I've just bought the Frame Maker an have problems with the using of masterpages on bodypages. To set up masterpages don't seem a problem! I've edited three masterpages (left, right and first) in which I got two columns with textflow. Up to this point everything was quiet easy. Now I want to take the layout of the masterpages over to the bodypages. For this I used the "Colum Layout". A part of the layout Frame took over but not the column layout! I got a bunch of the frames but the colums are reunited to a big one and all off the frames are in !ONE! textflow (without "Grid" one frame, with "Grid" as one frame with a vertical line in the middle - where the columns supposed to be - and several small horizontel shot lines)! If I write text in those there is no division in colmns -it just overwrites the vertical line without noticing it:-( What have I made wrong? Please post or mail me who to get the masterlayot original on the bodypage! Maybe there is a FAQ about Frame Maker under NeXT! I will be very happy to receive it (NeXT/mail) cause I've got to edit a book in about a month!!! Thanks alot - any help would be real fantastic * * * Ralf * * * -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|* %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.lang.postscript From: ag@nextcube.in-berlin.de (Andreas Gradert) Subject: Re: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <TPV0LNB@nextcube.in-berlin.de> Organization: Privat References: <1993Jan15.190446.3613@boba.rhein-main.de> <1993Jan16.203415.2294@cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 00:28:18 GMT ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) writes: > borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: > >Hey folks, > > > >there's a chance to connect a Canon CLC 300 or 500 as a scanner and printer > >to DOS-PC's and Mac's. Does anybody know, if there's a chance to do this > >with a NeXT, too? Does anybody know an adress of somebody who sells such > >things? > > > Dots by Frederico Heinz was supposed to be adapted to the CLC-300. As far > as I know it is marketed by d'Art Computer, Hamburg, Germany. Their phone > number in Kiel is ++49-431-92323. I don't know their number in Hamburg > right now. Networx, rsp. HSD Berlin hat ebenfalls einen Treiber entwickelt, der kann dann auch noch scannen. Tel +49 30 881081, contact Ulli. -- mfg, Andreas Gradert fon +49 30 6923946 email ag@nextcube.in-berlin.de D1000 Berlin 61 fax +49 30 8825421 ...unido!fub!unlisys!nextcube!ag
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) Subject: PMT machine compatible with a NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan18.004019.15176@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 00:40:19 GMT Hello All, Does anybody know of a PMT machine that will work with a NeXT machine? Thanks for any info. Dan (dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu) Does anybody know of a PMT machine that will work with a NeXT machine? Thanks for any info. Dan (dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) Subject: Grand Reunion '93 Message-ID: <1993Jan18.023352.17819@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 02:33:52 GMT Hello All, I know this may not be the appropriate place to put this, but it seems very few people read the *.general. There is a VERY L ARGE high school renunion of military brats who graduated high school over seas. If you or someone you know has not heard about it, please contact me. Dan (dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu)
From: dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect - PIECE OF CRAP!!! new update shipping soon!!! Message-ID: <1jdasqINNnc4@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 18 Jan 93 04:15:22 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1jdasqINNnc4 References: <1j20igINNaot@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> <1j2ol0INN7j0@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> <1993Jan16.043545.10959@athena.mit.edu> Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University I ordered the WordPerfect upgrade that would fix some of the NS3.0 bugs on November 24. The WordPerfect operator told me it would come within 10 days. In any case I didn't have it as of last week so I called WordPerfect. He told be my order had been shipped on January 10, and I replied that the $13 upgrade bill had been on my December VISA statement. The operator took my number and told me that he would find out what happened. Shock, I was right. He told me that in order to make up for their error, they would give me the NEW UPDATE that will be shipping on January 24 for free. I wonder whether it will change my opinion of the program. you heard it here first! -- Dion Dock __ __ NeXT mail? working on it / ) / ) / dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu / / o ______ / / _____. /_ /__/_<_(_) / <_ /__/_(_) (__/ <_
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NUCA (Reminder) Message-ID: <Jan.18.00.20.58.1993.6235@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 18 Jan 93 05:20:58 GMT References: <1993Jan14.102122.25236@macc.wisc.edu> <1993Jan17.174325.18609@squid9.cuc.ab.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. N U C A---Reminder---Reminder---Reminder---Reminder---Reminder NeXT Users' Choice Awards---Thanks to Conrad Geiger for the name! I will take submissions from the net until _Jan 23,_1993_. All you need to do is send back the form attached below with your favorite software or hardware products for 1992. The subject of the post should be Re: NUCA (or just replying to this post). Send votes to szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu I will post the results and maybe see about getting little trophies or ribbons made up for the winners. This is your chance to reward the great NeXT Developer community by shining some well deserved praise their way. The rules are: - You can only vote once (i.e. one vote per e-mail address). - You can vote for any product you wish; be it from NeXT, a 3rd party developer, shareware/freeware (or those tasty frosted donuts from Hostess under the 'other' category ;-) Finally I made up a logo for the winners to use (if they want to) to let everyone know that they won the NUCA. I'll put it up on both orst and nova. People can let me know if they think it stinks and if so please feel free to make your own (after all it is the U S E R S ' choice award so the users should get involved!). BTW you will need Helvetica-Black and Avant Garde (Book Oblique & Demi Oblique) to see the logo in all of its glory :-) NUCA Form below: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Software a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) DataBase : d.) Developer : e.) Desk Top Publishing: f.) Game : g.) Graphic : h.) MultiMedia : i.) Scientific : j.) Spreadsheet : k.) Wordprocessing : l.) Utility : m.) Video : n.) Other : 2.) Overall Software Product of the Year : 3.) Hardware a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) Display : d.) Graphic Input : e.) Mass Storage : f.) Printing/Output : g.) Video : h.) Other : 4.) Overall Hardware Product of the Year : 5.) Overall Product of the Year : -- NeXT Campus Consultant---Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey |my %^) John Kheit/monoChrome | Opinions expressed represent me only! |fried %-) 173 Westgate Drive | Audix Voice Mail# (415) 366-0900 X5512 |brain %>) Edison, NJ 08820-1163 | kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu,szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT CDs Message-ID: <Jan.18.01.06.16.1993.7844@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 18 Jan 93 06:06:17 GMT References: <esZDXB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. >I have heard of a NJ users group CD, but know nothing about hot to get it... I'm guessing this is post is about our monoLib product which was inspired by the cool people at NNJUG (NeXT New Jersey Users Group). A little description: Currently, monoLib has all or most of the contents of most of the NeXT FTP archive sites. This includes source code, demo/ shareware/freeware apps (including the big boys like adobe illustrator i.e. stuff not on the archives). There are also some things you wont find on the archives like NewsGrazer 72.3. Then there is information, literature, clipart and movies. There are FAQ's and the comp.sys.next* news groups (up to 91), NeXTanswers, literature from over 50 different authors including the Bible, Mobey Dick; all of the information is indexed to work with digital librarian. Well over 1 gig of information on two CD's. Its all uncompressed so it can be used right off the CD ROM. The set goes for $90.00 and we have edu and user group discounts (as well as quantity discounts). If anyone out there is interested in ordering just send me email requesting info and I'll email you an order form (I would post it up, but I dont think I could handle all of the flames :-) BTW: To all of the people that have sent me mail or orders this past week and received no reply... My uncle passed away last week and I had to tend to my family. All the orders will be processed by this tuesday and sent out. later, John -- NeXT Campus Consultant---Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey |my %^) John Kheit/monoChrome | Opinions expressed represent me only! |fried %-) 173 Westgate Drive | Audix Voice Mail# (415) 366-0900 X5512 |brain %>) Edison, NJ 08820-1163 | kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu,szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: gt8855a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bert Lindgren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cancel <80538@hydra.gatech.EDU> Message-ID: <80541@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 18 Jan 93 08:02:26 GMT Control: cancel <80538@hydra.gatech.EDU> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology cancel <80538@hydra.gatech.EDU> in newsgroup comp.sys.next.misc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: WordPerfect - PIECE OF CRAP!!! new update shipping soon!!! Message-ID: <C11J86.C4M@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1j20igINNaot@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> <1j2ol0INN7j0@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> <1993Jan16.043545.10959@athena.mit.edu> <1jdasqINNnc4@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 08:21:28 GMT dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) writes: >He told me that in order to make up for their error, they would give me the >NEW UPDATE that will be shipping on January 24 for free. I wonder whether >it will change my opinion of the program. Any word exactly which bugs the Jan 24 upgrade wil fix? (I think it is highly bogus of them to charge for the release that fixes THEIR BUGS that caused bold and italics to fail in NS3.0, BTW...And you can't even argue that it's shipping and handling... it does not cost $13 for 4 HD's, a plastic bag, a small box, and a piece of foam) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: speters@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (Stephen Peters) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How big is my Window? Message-ID: <1993Jan18.084448.3248@oracle.us.oracle.com> Date: 18 Jan 93 08:44:48 GMT References: <1993Jan14.221737.176@netcom.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. In article <1993Jan14.221737.176@netcom.com> vin@netcom.com (Vin Locke) writes: >I would like my app to know know how big a my window is after a resize, >so I can adjust the size and contents of my view accordingly. > >I've been looking through the NeXTstep references, figuring there must >be a method defined for the Window class that will return the dimensions >of the window's frame -- no luck there. I tried accessing the "data" >struct returned by an event, but no luck -- the returned value doesn't jive. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong,(I'm still figuring out NeXTSTEP myself), but wouldn't the usual way be to run NXRect aRect; [aWindow getFrame:&aRect]; ...various operations for aRect.size.width, aRect.size.height... and then of course to run setFrame: on the window's content view for resizing? Stephen Peters I don't speak for Oracle. Who would speak for an oracle?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beksten@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (Brick Eksten) Subject: HELP! Message-ID: <46@ucqais.cba.uc.edu> Summary: Can't print as user Keywords: printer , printer help Sender: root@babbage.ece.uc.edu (Operator) Organization: University of Cincinnati, College of Business Distribution: US Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 20:29:23 GMT Help, I just installed 3.0 and can't print from any applications. I can load the printmanager and the printer I have chosen as root is there, and I can print from there, but I can't print from any other application. They all say "no printer chosen" in the printer window. -- Brick Eksten Eco Development beksten@ucqais.cba.uc.edu % If this ain't fun I don't know what fun is? % EcoDev@cup.portal.com
From: wjs@blorf.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pre-announcing OmniImageFilter (was Re: JPG images) Message-ID: <1je49pINN5bk@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: 18 Jan 93 11:28:57 GMT Article-I.D.: shelley.1je49pINN5bk References: <1993Jan17.004612.26930@cubetech.com> Organization: University of Washington Drake M. Roberts writes: >Are there any apps for the NeXT which can view JPG images? >Are there any objects which I can use to view JPG images in my own apps? In addition to the other options, I will be releasing OmniImageFilter on the major archive sites sometime this week. This filter works similarly to Bacchus' Image Agent; it allows you to drag a variety of image formats into any compliant NeXTstep program. (For example, Concurrence, Diagram2, Edit, and Mail work, but FrameMaker and Adobe Illustrator don't.) The advantage to this technique is the target program doesn't have to understand the file format of the image in question; if you import a GIF file into Concurrence, for example, the program will display the image and allow you to scale it, but it will still save the file in the .concur wrapper as a GIF file. And if you have these filters installed and someone NeXTmails you a Windows BMP file of a cute kitten, you'll actually see the kitten in Mail, rather than an ugly old file icon. Whether you'll want to download our free filter or buy Bacchus's depends on your needs. The main differences between our product and Bacchus's are: 1) We are based on different toolkits. We used the San Diego Supercomputer Center's robust and full-featured IMTOOLS toolkit and the Independent JPEG Group's free source code; Bacchus started with the public-domain PBM tools and fixed and rewrote the filters that were broken or missing. 2) Bacchus (assumedly) provides some sort of free support and warranty with their product. If you send us mail about ours, we may answer it, and we may not. 3) Bacchus charges about US$95 for their product, ours is free. 4) Ours is significantly faster on the images we tested. We do a single-step conversion, they convert all images into an intermediate format and then into a TIFF file. They provide an animation while you are waiting for the conversion; we rely on the wait cursor. 5) We handle a few file formats that Bacchus doesn't, Bacchus handles a few that we don't. 6) We provide a Workspace Inspector which allows you to view all of our various image types from the NeXT Workspace. It's actually pretty darn handy. For example, if you use Touch, you can view remote GIF and JPG files (among others) just by clicking on them and hitting command-2. Spiffy! 7) Bacchus provides icons for all the various image file types that look like the icon for TIFF files. We haven't gotten around to drawing any of our own, yet. Maybe someone on the net would do it for us and send them to us (hint hint). I'll post a message in comp.sys.announce when we're out of beta and on the archives. If anyone really wants this functionality now and can handle an 600k NeXTmail file and won't bug me for support or be upset if there are some glitches, send me mail. -William Shipley The Omni Group DBKit consulting, Image conversion, File filters, You name it
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jiro@shaman.com Subject: Re: Has the new NeXTWORLD arrived? Yet? Message-ID: <1993Jan18.040526.7333@shaman.com> Organization: Shaman Consulting References: <C0zB3s.KzG@world.std.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 04:05:26 GMT In article <C0zB3s.KzG@world.std.com> kaya@world.std.com (Kaya Bekiroglu) writes: >It's bad enough that it comes four times a year. What >other magazines are there? I've heard of BaNG and NeXTWATCH >but I have no idea what the subscription rates are or >where to send for it. NeXTwatch is $30/year for 12 issues. For more information phone Skylee Press at +1 415 474-7803 or NeXTmail to nextwatch-info@skylee.com. We can accept VISA/MC orders over the phone or by e-mail (if you trust it). - Jiro Nakamura Technical Editor NeXTwatch -- Jiro Nakamura jiro@shaman.com (NeXTmail) NeXTwatch / Technical Editor 76711,542 (CIS) The Shaman Group +1 607 277-1440 (Voice/Fax)
From: jaffe@hoss.unl.edu (David Jaffe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Best printer for NeXT? (was posted to comp.sys.next) Date: 18 Jan 1993 14:19:59 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jeeafINNgkm@crcnis1.unl.edu> Is the 400 dpi NeXT printer the best choice for a standalone NeXTStation? I have heard that educational (?) users can get a 600 dpi HP printer for something like $1300. I assume that one could use such a printer with a NeXT, but could it handle postscript, and how fast would it be? In any case, how much does it cost to get a 600 dpi postscript printer which will run with a NeXT? David Jaffe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: Need help with NewsGrazer Message-ID: <1993Jan18.143305.6046@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <1993Jan15.150420.18399@socrates.umd.edu> <C0x6qn.2so@csn.org> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 14:33:05 GMT In article <C0x6qn.2so@csn.org> eno@ecom.com (Eno Compton) writes: >In article <1993Jan15.150420.18399@socrates.umd.edu> >fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: >> I have a SLIP link with supports nntp and would like to use NewsGrazer. >> Unfortunately every time I start NG (the latest version) it bombs-- >> it dissappears right after displaying "NewsGrazer /usr/spool/news" at >> the top of the NG window. I don't think it is a bug in NG. >> I took it home and ran >> it without problem (it just comes up and says there is no nntp link, so >> please reset Preferences, etc.) I ran it under gdb and it just says >> "Memory Exception" (associated with strcmp()) >> >> >> Anybody got any ideas I might try? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Charlie >> -- >> NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and >> charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my >> | brother wizards. > >Low on disk space maybe? happened to me today. Well, yes I am, but that turned out not to be the problem. (I'm posting in case others have this trouble.) The problem was in the default settings for nntp, in particular NewsGrazer NewsGrazerUseNNTP 0 NewsGrazer NewsGrazerNNTPServer your.server.here I used DefaultManager to make the proper changes. I seems to me this is a bug, I shouldn't have to use DM to keep NG from bombing (and LSMFT!-) Thanks to those who gave me the needed help. Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) Subject: kohno@medicine.ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <1993Jan18.151143.27129@bmers95.bnr.ca> Sender: usenet@bmers95.bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:11:43 GMT I tried several times to send the article "Japanyes" to kohno@medicine.ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp but it bounced every time. Would any kind soul who has a copy of the article send him one? Thanks. Hayward --------------------------------------------------------- Hayward Lam email:hlam@bnr.ca People have a way of becoming what you encourage them to be, not what you nag them to be. by Scudder Parker ---------------------------------------------------------
From: dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu (David Schuetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next-Attachment header Message-ID: <17998@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 18 Jan 93 14:44:33 GMT References: <17973@umd5.umd.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <17973@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu writes: >Does anyone know the entire semantics (or whatever) of the NeXTmail >Next-Attachment header? >Next-Attachment: .tar.X.subject.attach, Y, 1/1, A, B >I know Y is the length of the uuencoded file, I have no idea what 1/1 is but >I guess it's for future support of fragmented NeXTmail items?, That's been my guess, however I couldn't get it to do any fragmentation at all. Quite disappointing. It'd be nice to have NeXTMail automatically split a 2 meg attachment over three or four messages, and reassamble them transparently. > and I haven't a clue about X, A, or B. If you just put some random > number in there for X it seems to work fine; I just used "123" in my "makeattach" shell script. > I put 0's in for A and B and things work, but some really funky > directories get created in the mailbox. Really? I never had any problem. By inspection, it's seemed that one of those (A?) is always about 10% larger than the size of the message, but that didn't mean too much to me. I just leave it as "0" and have never had any problems with funky directories. >(I also assume that when NeXTmail gets a duplicate subject/*.attach >directory, it just puts a random one in, right?) It adds a _### sort of thing. Like "NextMail_Format.attach" and "NextMail_Format_0.attach" (or somesuch). david. PS - Yes, I know you knew I'd respond.
From: drew_s@lsa.lan.mcgill.ca (Drew Bleau) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: [?] How to get recycler on external HD Summary: na Message-ID: <drew_s.82@lsa.lan.mcgill.ca> Date: 18 Jan 93 17:33:34 GMT Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Distribution: na Organization: Law Student's Association, Mcgill University Ever since I re-initialized a Quantum Pro210 external HD with NS3.0, I have been unable to get a working recycler. I tried using BuildDisk: when the NeXTStation [non turbo mono] was booted off the external, the recycler worked fine, however, when booting off the internal and mounting the external under the root directory, the recycler refuses to work even though the .NeXT subdirectory is present. This is incredibly annoying... DL refuses to build an index of any folder on the HD without the recycler, any time I use the GUI to delete a file, I have to acknowledge that this is indeed what I want to do ... etc. etc. How do I get the recycler working again ??? Thanx, Drew.
From: aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! Message-ID: <6284@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 18 Jan 93 18:58:42 GMT References: <memo.856984@cix.compulink.co.uk> Sender: news@NeXT.COM Organization: Next Computer, Inc. In article <memo.856984@cix.compulink.co.uk> hallan@cix.compulink.co.uk writes: >I have an App, FLI-Play, which displays generated bitmap data. The >source image is data in VGA format, you know the sort of thing, 256 >colour palette from 1/4 mil colours. So I take this data and convert >it to a 24 bit NXBitmapImageRep and drawAt the changed data to >screen. All fine so far. The problem is it's just so damn slow, the >transfer rate (NXPings are used to provide non jerky animation), is 2 >to 8 frames to second, which is pretty lousy. ... as I >understand it, what NXImages so is draw into an offscreen cache, and >use that for compositing later. I only use the image once, so this is >no use to me. I'm a bit stuck. In general, imaging is not fast. However, it is considerably faster if the format of the image data matches the device you are imaging it to, and you are not rotated or scaled. Thus, when imaging into a 12-bit window (such as those on a NSC), you will get the best performance if you use 12-bit, meshed data. If you are willing to do the extra work, you might want to ask what the depth of the windows in your apps is (you can just call [Window defaultDepthLimit], or ask your window with [[view window] depthLimit]), then, do the conversion from 256 colors to this depth, if it's a depth you can handle. The NSC case (12 bit windows) might be one to handle, because it is common. On a NSC turbo, the time to draw a 256 x 256 image drops from 110 ms to 44 ms if you reduce the data from 24 bits to 12. If you also use unpacked data (a 3.0 feature --- see the release notes), the time drops further, to 30 ms. Finally, if you use a retained window instead of buffered window, you will get 20 ms/iteration. (These timings are not official or anything, just my observations!) The optimizations are of course all device specific and not guaranteed to work in all cases, but in general matching image and device depths will give you a speedup in imaging rates. Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP programmers: Software Services Corporation (Michigan) Message-ID: <6287@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 18 Jan 93 19:20:02 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Software Services Corporation (SWS Corp) is looking for students who have programming experience in NeXTSTEP for their growing object orienting consulting group. SWS Corporation is Ann Arbor, Michigan's largest computer consulting firm employing 150 technical professionals specializing in advanced software technologies. Students with professional experience are preferred (graduate level experience is also a plus). SWS is a NeXT Registered Developer. Inquiries and resumes should be directed to: Dave Cortright Manager of Technical Resources Software Services Corpatiobn Tel: 313-971-2300 FAX: 313-677-0230
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: What's with mail.app?? Message-ID: <1993Jan18.183554.25968@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Jan17.170014.20931@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 18:35:54 GMT Ranjan Bagchi writes > I've got to be missing something. Is there no way to > include a text file into an outgoing mail message? Not as an > attachment, but like ~r in /usr/ucb/Mail. Tell me I was just scanning > a bit too fast in the help pages... If you are running 3.0, you can use Services->Edit->Replace Selection (There actually doesn't have to be a selection.) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Subject: NS3.0: turn off window box animation? Message-ID: <1993Jan18.195751.26556@adobe.com> Sender: caro@adobe.com Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 19:57:51 GMT I have an Ns Color with 20 Meg RAM and NS 3.0. Compared to NS 2.1, windows take noticeablely longer to open under 3.0. I blame the window box animation for at least part of the delay. Is there any way to turn this animation off? Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
From: mahoney@csulb.edu (Mike Mahoney) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anybody know a Book store that can send Garfinkel & Mahoney out fast? Message-ID: <C12HB7.3G5@csulb.edu> Date: 18 Jan 93 20:37:55 GMT References: <1ja9eqINNke2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Sender: news@csulb.edu (News Administration/Rumor Bureau) Organization: Cal State Long Beach Springer-Verlag was completely closed down from Dec. 18 - Jan. 11 for inventory and a change of location. I believe they will get the book to you much faster now. -mm In article <1ja9eqINNke2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: > > In article <1993Jan16.011830.29063@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > >Probably the fastest, short of walking into a store that has > >it in stock, would be to call the publisher directly. They > >take your plastic (including AmEx) and (for a fee) will > >deliver by air. In the US, Springer Verlag has an 800 > >number: 777-4643. If you don't have access to US 800 > >service, the regular number (New Jersey) is (201) 348-4033. > > I had thought this would be the case so I ordered directly from Springer in > early December before the book was printed. However, high-tech bookstores in > my area had copies before I received mine. Springer seemed to take almost 2 > weeks to ship my book after it was available, but the holiday period in > December may have caused some of the delay. > -- > > Art Isbell Cubic Solutions > NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting > NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 > USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515 -- - Mike Mahoney, SCaN President Professor and Chair Computer Engineering and Computer Science Dept California State University, Long Beach Long Beach, CA 90840-8302
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Laser printer for NeXT: looking for suggestion Message-ID: <1jf70iINNanv@parsifal.umkc.edu> From: dmedhi@cstp.umkc.edu (Deep Medhi,4747 Troost 207,(816) 235-2006,(913) 341-0462) Date: 18 Jan 1993 21:21:22 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City I am planning to connect a laser printer directly to my NeXTstation. Does any one have any suggestion on a non-NeXT laser printer which is AFFORDABLE in price? (Speed of printing is not much of an issue; however, price is!). I would appreciate getting the following information: a. name of the printer b. price c. can it be directly connected to the printer port, or, does it need to use one of the serial ports d. anything extra needed to make it work e. anything else I am still running 2.1. Thanks. Deep Medhi Univ of Missouri-Kansas City dmedhi@aazoli.cstp.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Need help with NewsGrazer Message-ID: <1993Jan18.101925.1489@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <C0x6qn.2so@csn.org> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 10:19:25 GMT In article <C0x6qn.2so@csn.org> eno@ecom.com (Eno Compton) writes: > In article <1993Jan15.150420.18399@socrates.umd.edu> > fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > > I have a SLIP link with supports nntp and would like to use NewsGrazer. > > Unfortunately every time I start NG (the latest version) it bombs-- > > it dissappears right after displaying "NewsGrazer /usr/spool/news" at > > the top of the NG window. I don't think it is a bug in NG. > > I took it home and ran > > it without problem (it just comes up and says there is no nntp link, so > > please reset Preferences, etc.) I ran it under gdb and it just says > > "Memory Exception" (associated with strcmp()) > > > > Low on disk space maybe? happened to me today. No help for your bug, just some advice not to waste time on it! NNTP over SLIP is almost ever (if you don't have 256k line for your own) much too slow to support interactive news access. Even if NG would work you would have to wait endless minutes until the list of newsgroups would be loaded. NNTP over SLIP is a good choice for transport protocol to feed a news server, anyhow. So you will have to install B- or Cnews and run NG in flat file mode. You then specify NNTP as transport protocol for your specific newsfeed. See man-pages and/or "Managing UUCP and USENET" by O'Reilly for details. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-7527 Kraichtal 2 | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: File system format of Education Software Sampler. Message-ID: <HARDY.93Jan18162021@golem.ps.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Date: 19 Jan 93 00:20:25 GMT I tried mounting the NeXT education Software Sampler on an HP CD-ROM drive working on my HP 9000/345 HP-UX 8.0. I get the error: /dev/dsk/3s0: unrecognized file system Does anyone know what format file system is used on this CD-ROM? When I installed the same drive on the NeXt it occasionally mounted and I was able to look at the CD. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bacchus!eric (Eric Bloom) Subject: Re: Pre-announcing OmniImageFilter (was Re: JPG images) Message-ID: <1993Jan18.220855.712@bacchus.com> Keywords: Conversion Graphics Images Sender: eric@bacchus.com Organization: Bacchus, Inc. References: <1je49pINN5bk@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 22:08:55 GMT In article <1je49pINN5bk@shelley.u.washington.edu> wjs@blorf.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) writes: > Drake M. Roberts writes: > >Are there any apps for the NeXT which can view JPG images? > >Are there any objects which I can use to view JPG images in my own apps? > > In addition to the other options, I will be releasing OmniImageFilter on the > major archive sites sometime this week. This filter works similarly to > Bacchus' Image Agent; it allows you to drag a variety of image formats into any > compliant NeXTstep program. (For example, Concurrence, Diagram2, Edit, and > Mail work, but FrameMaker and Adobe Illustrator don't.) The advantage to this > technique is the target program doesn't have to understand the file format of > the image in question; if you import a GIF file into Concurrence, for example, > the program will display the image and allow you to scale it, but it will still > save the file in the .concur wrapper as a GIF file. And if you have these > filters installed and someone NeXTmails you a Windows BMP file of a cute > kitten, you'll actually see the kitten in Mail, rather than an ugly old file > icon. > > Whether you'll want to download our free filter or buy Bacchus's depends on > your needs. The main differences between our product and Bacchus's are: > > 1) We are based on different toolkits. We used the San Diego Supercomputer > Center's robust and full-featured IMTOOLS toolkit and the Independent JPEG > Group's free source code; Bacchus started with the public-domain PBM tools and > fixed and rewrote the filters that were broken or missing. > > 2) Bacchus (assumedly) provides some sort of free support and warranty with > their product. If you send us mail about ours, we may answer it, and we may > not. > > 3) Bacchus charges about US$95 for their product, ours is free. > > 4) Ours is significantly faster on the images we tested. We do a single-step > conversion, they convert all images into an intermediate format and then into a > TIFF file. They provide an animation while you are waiting for the conversion; > we rely on the wait cursor. > > 5) We handle a few file formats that Bacchus doesn't, Bacchus handles a few > that we don't. > > 6) We provide a Workspace Inspector which allows you to view all of our various > image types from the NeXT Workspace. It's actually pretty darn handy. For > example, if you use Touch, you can view remote GIF and JPG files (among others) > just by clicking on them and hitting command-2. Spiffy! > > 7) Bacchus provides icons for all the various image file types that look like > the icon for TIFF files. We haven't gotten around to drawing any of our own, > yet. Maybe someone on the net would do it for us and send them to us (hint > hint). > > I'll post a message in comp.sys.announce when we're out of beta and on the > archives. If anyone really wants this functionality now and can handle an 600k > NeXTmail file and won't bug me for support or be upset if there are some > glitches, send me mail. > > -William Shipley > The Omni Group > DBKit consulting, Image conversion, File filters, You name it Mr. Shipley's posting is pretty fair. However, we would like to stress/expand upon a few points: 1) Image Agent is a commercial product. This means that our product has undergone extensive testing and that we offer customer support. The filters upon which Image Agent is based are derived from our Pixel Magician product, which has been on the market for over a year. During this time, many, many bug fixes and enhancements to the filter code have been made. Also, to this point, our customers have received periodic free upgrades (except for shipping and the cost of the disk). 2) In our experience, OmniImageFilter frequently crashes. Hopefully, these are problems with the GUI (and will be fixed before the program comes out of beta) and not with the SDSC code. Unless SDSC has changed their policy since the last time I looked at it, Mr. Roberts does not have access to the source code and will not be able to fix bugs reported by users. 3) OmniImageFilter is definitely faster than Image Agent, although it is not quite for the reason Mr. Roberts states. The reasons for the intermediate file format include the following: many of the filters started off from the PBMPLUS toolkit code, which uses similar intermediate files; the filters originally came from our Pixel Magician product, which can output files in formats other than TIFF (TIFF is less than desirable as an intermediate file format for a wide variety of reasons). In any case, the next update of Image Agent (available shortly) will eliminate most if not all of this speed difference. 4) Image Agent goes through some pains to ensure that all images are converted to NeXT style TIFF files with as little change in format as possible while maintaining complete image fidelity. In particular, Image Agent will preserve any alpha channel, DPI (except for JPEG), and aspect ratio information present. To date, we have been unable to test these features successfully in OmniImageFilter. As for JPEG, Image Agent and OmniImageFilter are actually both based upon the same source code, namely, "the Independent JPEG Group's software," which, when last we looked, did not support DPI and many other features in the JPEG/JFIF specification. Updates of this software can be inserted into Image Agent by the end user. 5) Image Agent is distributed free with Pixel Magician, a much more powerful, more general purpose image processing utility. See the article entitle "Re: NeXT GUI to pbmplus" for the latest in a series of postings about Pixel Magician. Bacchus encourages the development of free software for the NeXT (in fact, we applaud the development of _any_ software on the NeXT). We believe free software satisfies an important need in the community. For many, packages such as OmniImageFilter will fulfill their needs quite nicely. Others will want to purchase Image Agent because of functionality not present in other software or in order to obtain customer support. Additionally, the existence of software like OmniImageFilter enables us to concentrate on doing a number of key filters well (because we have to support them) rather than expending our resources doing a so-so job adding more and more of the ever expanding list of obscure graphic file formats. -ccwf Charles C. Fu System Administator Bacchus, Inc.
From: sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: That Chromagrafx' PixelMaster ad (was Re: PasteUp Trick!) Message-ID: <6296@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 19 Jan 93 01:49:20 GMT References: <1068@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: news@NeXT.COM glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > Using a human face and a piece of metal (the french horn) are deliberate > because these are some of the most difficult things to get right when > printing color photographs. (...) If you're a serious customer for > an image editing program, you know about that. This ad caught my eye for a different reason; As a horn player, it really bothered me that her hair is covering her mouthpiece. She obviously doesn't intend to play that horn! I would have used the image editing program to put the hair back where it belongs. -sam -- Opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer. They're not even mine. They're probably wrong besides. How did they get in here, anyway?
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS3.0: turn off window box animation? Date: 19 Jan 1993 02:56:44 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <1jfqlcINN6tk@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Jan18.195751.26556@adobe.com> In article <1993Jan18.195751.26556@adobe.com> caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) writes: >I have an Ns Color with 20 Meg RAM and NS 3.0. Compared to NS 2.1, >windows take noticeablely longer to open under 3.0. I blame the window >box animation for at least part of the delay. > >Is there any way to turn this animation off? 3.0 Workspace may respond to a defaults variable called AnimationRate (I've never tried it). It seems to be set to 3 programmatically within Workspace, so you might try some other numbers (0 seems like a good first try :-) -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: garyc@eecs.acns.nwu.edu (everyone else can ignore this) Message-ID: <Jan.19.00.45.33.1993.940@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 19 Jan 93 05:45:33 GMT References: <1068@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <6296@rosie.NeXT.COM> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Sorry to waste the bandwidth but I cant seem to get mail to this location??? Everything bounces back for no apparent reason. Anyway Gary, I cant email the monoLib CD info to you, because for whatever reason my account cannot reach yours. Maybe I could email the info to a friend of yours that could then forward it to you? later, John -- NeXT Campus Consultant---Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey |my %^) John Kheit/monoChrome | Opinions expressed represent me only! |fried %-) 173 Westgate Drive | Audix Voice Mail# (415) 366-0900 X5512 |brain %>) Edison, NJ 08820-1163 | kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu,szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de(Ralf Neumann) Subject: explist don't work HELP!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan18.212007.482@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de Organization: no Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 21:20:07 GMT Hello! My explist file don't work how I want it. It looks like this: # modified version, no archiving # # hold onto history lines 14 days, nobody gets >90 days /expired/ x 14 - /bounds/ x 0-1-90 - # override later defaults for some groups of note sci.space.shuttle,rec.birds x 3 - de.comp.sys.next x 30 - cl.antifa x 7 - comp.benchmarks x 3 - comp.soft-sys x 3 - comp.sys x 3 - comp.sys.next x 30 - comp.text.frame x 30 - bit.listserv.scuba x 14 - soc.culture.caribbean x 3 - # big non-tech groups held long enough for a long weekend sci,rec,talk,soc,misc,alt u 3 - # real noise gets thrown away fast news.groups x 0 - junk,tor.news.stats x 0 - comp.sys.amiga x 0 - # default: 7 days and archive all x 7 - After expiring it has deleted also the comp.sys.next and the comp.sys.frame articles which I just have changed to a longer periode than one week (now set to 30 days before 7 days):-( What is wrong? How can I protect this groups 30 days or longer? Any help would be very welcome!!! Excuse me that I write it in this group but I didn't know where to place it! So long * * * Ralf * * * -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|* %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: zog@intacc.uucp (Scott Lepore) Subject: NeXTStep 486... Message-ID: <1993Jan18.004122.21603@intacc.uucp> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 00:41:22 GMT Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS I am interesting in running NextStep on a 486. Can some of you NeXTites list the ups and downs of this idea. How much does the 486 version cost? What are the limitations of NeXTStep on a 486? How much memory is required? How much is ideal? Please email you responses to me and I shall post them. Any, and all, info. will be appreciated. Scott.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Pre-announcing OmniImageFilter (was Re: JPG images) Message-ID: <1993Jan19.122335.25254@macc.wisc.edu> Keywords: Conversion Graphics Images Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1je49pINN5bk@shelley.u.washington.edu> <1993Jan18.220855.712@bacchus.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 12:23:35 GMT In article <1993Jan18.220855.712@bacchus.com> eric@bacchus.com writes: >(about Bacchus products and Omni) >In article <1je49pINN5bk@shelley.u.washington.edu> >wjs@blorf.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) writes: >>(about Omni products and Bacchus) I certainly do appreciate such exchanges, conducted with what seemed to me fairness and civility. This kind of thing redeems a lot of flamage that one otherwise might see, and I think does these developers much credit while serving users' need for detailed information very well. Thanks to both parties. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> Subject: Re: Anybody know a Book store that can send Garfinkel & Mahoney out fast? Message-ID: <1993Jan19.100307.7075@proponent.com> Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Proponent References: <1993Jan14.202021.22584@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 10:03:07 GMT In article <1993Jan14.202021.22584@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl writes: > I am looking for a way to get the book here fast. So I am looking for a way to > order it via MasterCard and get it shipped here by air. Anybody know a store > where they can handle that and that has the book avialable? > > Preferably by e-mail but fax will do to. Try one of the following: Softpro 112 Mall Road Burlington MA 01803-5300 +1 617 273 2917 Fax +1 617 273 2499 softpro@world.std.com Quantum Books 4 Cambridge Center Cambridge MA 02142 +1 617 494 5042 Fax +1 617 577 7282 quanbook@world.std.com Computer Literacy Bookshops, Inc. PO Box 641897 San Jose CA 95164-1897 Fax 408 435 1823 info@clbooks.com orders@clbooks.com service@clbooks.com -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
From: byrne@cstore-next.cl.msu.edu (Eric J. Byrne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered.entry Subject: NeXTSTEP Programming Position Message-ID: <1jh31qINN5ut@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: 19 Jan 93 14:26:02 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Michigan State University Please DO NOT response directly to me. I'm just posting this for a friend. Software Services Corporation (SWS Corp) is looking for students who have programming experience in NeXTSTEP for their growing object orienting consulting group. SWS Corporation is Ann Arbor, Michigan's largest computer consulting firm employing 150 technical professionals specializing in advanced software technologies. Students with professional experience are preferred (graduate level experience is also a plus). SWS is a NeXT Registered Developer. Inquiries and resumes should be directed to: Dave Cortright Manager of Technical Resources Software Services Corpatiobn Tel: 313-971-2300 FAX: 313-677-0230
Message-ID: <ny#@byu.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 11:11:57 MST From: yackd@oregon.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Columns Beta Keywords: games, Columns If you are a registered user of Columns and would like to mess with a beta of the next version of Columns, you may request a copy via e-mail. The latest version has three big changes: * support for music and sound simultaneously (I finally figured it out, thank you very much :0-) * connects with a network high score server if you're on the Internet * uses 3.0 stuff like the new drap/drop stuff and NeXTSTEP Help. If you're not registered, you'll just have to wait for the stable version, I guess. :) (By the way, this beta version is not quite finished in some areas and a bit rough around all the edges...but worth checking out if you're registered.) If you registered Columns and/or PillBottle but have not yet been sent e-mail confirmation and a registration number, please contact me immediately. I'm caught up with the confirmations, so if the message didn't make it to you, I'll need to re-send it. Have a nice day. (Gosh, I'm in a particularly chipper mood today...) Later, -Don Yacktman yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: David.Kelman@launchpad.unc.edu (David Kelman) Subject: WordPerfect releases Message-ID: <1993Jan19.185750.3720@samba.oit.unc.edu> Sender: usenet@samba.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 18:57:50 GMT I talked to one of the tech support people at WP this morning. He claimed that the new release, coming out the 24th, is an interim release that fixes some bugs, particularly one that they had previously thought impossible to fix short of recoding the whole program. This is the jumping text problems that has been noted here before. Appearantly they got in a new programmer who actually knows something about NeXTstep, and he fixed it with just a few changes. This version is still not compatable with WP 5.1 or 5.2. His claim was they are going to jump directly to 6.0 with the version that is slated to come out fourth quarter of this year. The interim release can be had for $10 + $3 shipping (in U.S). I had just purchased the earlier interim release, and convinced them to send me the new one for free. David Kelman -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: wiml@stein.u.washington.edu (William Lewis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next-Attachment header Date: 19 Jan 1993 19:28:35 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1jhkp3INNnbb@shelley.u.washington.edu> References: <17973@umd5.umd.edu> <17998@umd5.umd.edu> dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu (David Schuetz) writes: >In article <17973@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu writes: >>Does anyone know the entire semantics (or whatever) of the NeXTmail >>Next-Attachment header? >>Next-Attachment: .tar.X.subject.attach, Y, 1/1, A, B >> I put 0's in for A and B and things work, but some really funky >> directories get created in the mailbox. >Really? I never had any problem. By inspection, it's seemed that one >of those (A?) is always about 10% larger than the size of the message, but >that didn't mean too much to me. I just leave it as "0" and have never >had any problems with funky directories. I seem to remember that one of the numbers in a mail header is the *uuencoded* size of the message. Maybe this is what "A" is. Somewhere, I've seen a semi-official description of the nextmail format somewhere, but it was prettty vague. I can't seem to find it in my files, either...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Best printer for NeXT? (was posted to comp.sys.next) Message-ID: <1993Jan19.181906.20928@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <1jeeafINNgkm@crcnis1.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 18:19:06 GMT In article <1jeeafINNgkm@crcnis1.unl.edu> jaffe@hoss.unl.edu (David Jaffe) writes: > > Is the 400 dpi NeXT printer the best choice for a standalone NeXTStation? Yes, unless you *need* 600 dpi. > I have heard that educational (?) users can get a 600 dpi HP printer for > something like $1300. I assume that one could use such a printer with a > NeXT, but could it handle postscript, and how fast would it be? Add several hundred $ for PS support. The machine is pretty fast if you're talking about the LJ4; about 8 ppm real throughput. On the other hand, the NeXTprinter also does 8 ppm and has PS Level 2. The high throughput of the LJ4 will suffer greatly when printing bitmapped graphics over anything other than a network interface (i.e. ethernet, which costs extra). Or you can use ghostscript (a PD PS clone) or look for an LJ4 NeXT printer driver. But since you will be sending bitmaps you won't be satisfied without a high-speed interface to the printer (again, ethernet). I've had the NeXT printer for years and just can't think of a better solution except a >400dpi NeXT printer. I definitely wouldn't exchange my printer with a 600 dpi PCL5 one for free. However, if you *need* the 600dpi, the HP will probably be better than most others. > In any case, > how much does it cost to get a 600 dpi postscript printer which will run with > a NeXT? As much as an LJ4 with PS emulation and network interface costs. Don't know the US prices, since I live in Germany. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de), NeXTmail welcome Looks good on the outside, but - intel inside
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) Subject: ZyXEL vs. Supra Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 22:21:22 GMT Message-ID: <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) I am ready to go with one of these fax modems and I want to hear what people's experiences with them are, since I am not familiar with either modem. Which do people 'in the know' recommend? Any horror stories? g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) Western Business School -- London, Ontario
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Call for Presentation Topics: 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo Message-ID: <6310@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 19 Jan 93 22:27:26 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Dear NeXT User, If you will be attending the 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo to be held in San Francisco, California - May 25-27, 1993, please read on... Enclosed is a Presentation Proposal Form to be completed by anyone interested in becoming a speaker at this year's NeXTWORLD Expo User and Developer Conference programs. Email your completed form today to info@next.com. The deadline for submissions is Monday, January 25th. Best wishes, Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Groups P.S. Call to get on the postal mailing list for advanced registration and more information about the 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo: 1-800-767-2336 -or- from outside North America call 508-470-3880 -or- fax (508)470-0526. ____________________________________________________________________ NeXTWORLD Expo '93 Conferences Presentation Proposal Form Name: Title: Organization: Address: City: State: Zip: Phone Number: Topic Information Title: Category (Please indicate the most appropriate area to which your presentation topic relates): [] Client/Server Computing Issues [] Enterprise-Wide Deployment [] Application Development Issues [] Building Database Applications [] Interoperability & Networking [] Object-Oriented Technology Abstract (Please prepare a 100-word summary of your topic covering its goals, key points, issues, and experiences, etc.) Complete and email this form with the Subject heading: "NeXTWORLD Expo '93 User Conference [65KVER]" to: info@next.com. >> Deadline for Submissions is 1/25/93 >>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karl@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Subject: Re: NS3.0: turn off window box animation? Message-ID: <9301191903.AA01355@ensuing.com> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: Ensuing Technologies Inc. References: <1993Jan18.195751.26556@adobe.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 19:03:33 GMT In article <1993Jan18.195751.26556@adobe.com> caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) writes: >I have an Ns Color with 20 Meg RAM and NS 3.0. Compared to NS 2.1, >windows take noticeablely longer to open under 3.0. I blame the window >box animation for at least part of the delay. > >Is there any way to turn this animation off? > Grab MiniAnime from some archive site. It's a preferences module that will allow you to turn this feature on or off. I'm biased, I wrote it. -- __________ Karl Kraft karl@ensuing.com (NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Repas developpeurs DatabaseKit a Paris (Sorry, for french eyes only) Message-ID: <1993Jan19.164442.17674@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 16:44:42 GMT Bonjour a tous ! Invitation pour tous les developpeurs NeXTSTEP de la region parisiennne, le diner developpeurs Database Kit est prevu le jeudi 28 Janvier, le soir vers 20h00 !! Mailez-moi si vous desirez venir, je vous donnerai plus de details A plus ! BB PS:Je vous rappelle que ce diner permet de faire plus ample connaissance avec le monde NeXTSTEP. Il a lieu a chaque session de formation realisee par improve, soit une a deux fois par mois. --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: becker@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Ulrich Becker) Subject: GoldDigger Level 7 impossible?! Message-ID: <1993Jan19.170932.11241@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Sender: news@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Mr. News) Organization: University of Hamburg, FRG Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 17:09:32 GMT Hi, Has any one of you managed to get onto the left side of level 7? It isn't possible, is it? Greetings Ulrich Becker becker@informatik.uni-hamburg.de
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GoldDigger Level 7 impossible?! Message-ID: <63541@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 20 Jan 93 02:51:21 GMT References: <1993Jan19.170932.11241@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993Jan19.170932.11241@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> becker@informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: > Has any one of you managed to get onto the left side of level 7? > It isn't possible, is it? yes it is possible to get over to the left side, just very very hard. you have to basically dance on the monsters head and hope he walks near the ledge so you can get off before you fall. But once you cross to the left side, I've never heard of anyone clearing the top corner of the left hand side. so even if you are lucky enough to get across finally, it isnt very satisfying once you get there. -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <C14r6A.B9K@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: 20 Jan 93 02:06:09 GMT Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Is sonata having problems because of disk space? If so, can I suggest that the submitter of the photo_cd.tar.Z remove this file? It is 5 megs, and not really worth the 5 megs it takes up. Also, to the person who recently attempted to submit a gcc.2.3.3 package, you could always remove the gcc.2.3.1.pkg.tar file (about 3 megs), thus getting the space required to put gcc.2.3.3 there. If anyone else has any suggestions on how to make room in the submissions directory on sonata, maybe we should here those too. If we pay attention a little, I think we can squeeze more onto sonata until the administrator in charge of stuff like this returns to his/her post. Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: WordPerfect releases Message-ID: <C14uJr.7HA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Jan19.185750.3720@samba.oit.unc.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 03:18:49 GMT David.Kelman@launchpad.unc.edu (David Kelman) writes: > I talked to one of the tech support people at WP this morning. He >claimed that the new release, coming out the 24th, is an interim release >that fixes some bugs, particularly one that they had previously thought >impossible to fix short of recoding the whole program. This is the >jumping text problems that has been noted here before. Appearantly they Excellent. That was my biggest peeve about WP! (Hopefully the cursor in the inspector will match up with the cursor in the document, as well) Thanks for the information. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: demarco@fsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Vince Demarco) Subject: Re: Low-level format of NeXT system In-Reply-To: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu's message of Fri, 15 Jan 1993 02:36:32 GMT Message-ID: <DEMARCO.93Jan19183555@fsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary References: <1993Jan15.023632.2002@selway.umt.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 01:35:55 GMT cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) writes: > Can anyone out there provide information on doing a low-level >format or surface analysis on a NeXT Colorstation, plus reinstalling >3.0 by booting from CD-ROM. Thanks in advance. There isn't anything to do a surface analysis on the NeXT. But to do a low-level format use the sdform command NAME sdform - Format SCSI Disk SYNOPSIS sdform raw_device [ -n ] DESCRIPTION sdform executes a Format Unit Command on raw_device. raw_device must be a SCSI disk. This is normally invoked by vince
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmitri@physics (Dmitri Linde) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. References: <C14r6A.B9K@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 04:31:33 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan20.043133.12991@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In article <C14r6A.B9K@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: > >Is sonata having problems because of disk space? If so, can I suggest >that the submitter of the photo_cd.tar.Z remove this file? It is 5 megs, >and not really worth the 5 megs it takes up. Also, to the person who >recently attempted to submit a gcc.2.3.3 package, you could always remove >the gcc.2.3.1.pkg.tar file (about 3 megs), thus getting the space required >to put gcc.2.3.3 there. > >If anyone else has any suggestions on how to make room in the submissions >directory on sonata, maybe we should here those too. If we pay attention >a little, I think we can squeeze more onto sonata until the administrator >in charge of stuff like this returns to his/her post. > >Michael I suggest sonata start using zip or Squash for compression. It is trivial to write a shell script which would uncompress and untar a file and zip it. This way we could squize about 1.5 times as much on sonata. Of course there is a problem that everybody does not have unzip and/or UnSquashOnly. This can be solved in at least two ways: 1)Put unzip or UnSquashOnly (compressed using compress) into a directory where everybody will see them right away such as pub/next/000_GO_HERE_FIRST 2)Patch ftpd using a source for ftpd on sonata to automatically unzip and tar.Z during transmission of files. If that does not get thru or if sonata does not free up some space we may have to switch the 'official' NeXT site to cs.orst.edu which already has many files and seems to be handling submissions quickly (compared to a month or so on sonata) P.S. I think it is possible for any user to write and delete files in submissions directory, so if there is a big bad file such as gcc.2.3.1.pkg.tar anybody can erase it using the delete command in ftp and upload for instance gcc.2.3.3 (or the latest version) Dmitri dmitri@physics.stanford.edu Yes, I know my From: field is wrong... I will do something about it later.
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Date: 20 Jan 1993 06:58:35 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jit6r$gb4@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Jan20.043133.12991@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In article <C14r6A.B9K@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: > >Is sonata having problems because of disk space? $2000 will buy a 2GB hard disk + enclosure. Perhaps, NeXT and other companies are willing to donate for more disk space? Particularly those companies that distribute demos via sonata that, upon license key activation, become fully functional products. Perhaps the sonata sysadmin can start deleting such locked demo apps :-> to make space? -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.human-factors,sci.med.occupational,comp.sys.next.hardware,NorNeXT@alf.uib.no,comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: RSI - NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan20.102242.19868@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 10:22:42 GMT After having used Macs and other stuff the last 12 years, I got a NeXT Dimensions Cube, fell in love with it and got RSI (repetitive stress injury). It is painful in the extreme. I am now a certified cripple for a while, being treated by a well-intentioned, but not very knowledgable Norwegian health system. I want to use my NeXT without having to hire a full time physiotherapist. Does anyone know anything about ways of modifying trackballs, keyboards, whatever for the NeXT. The new ones have ADB busses (i.e Mac stuff will work, that's why the new Mac keyboard has NeXT type special keys for sound, power, etc.) but I can't afford to change NeXTs now already. Someone told me that the mouse was Logitech compatible. Anyone have a pinout spec for the mouse? - Barre Ludvigsen <borrel@dhhalden.no>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Re: NeXT biff Message-ID: <1993Jan20.102931.19990@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College References: <GISLI.93Jan13191551@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 10:29:31 GMT In article <GISLI.93Jan13191551@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) writes: > > > > Is there a NeXT program like xbiff? Basically, something that > > I use something called MailMan. Got it from one of the NeXT ftp > sites. I never use Mail.app. MailMan sits in my Dock, autolauches > and when mail arrives it flashes and plays a sound file of your > choice. Works fine with 3.0 > > Gisli > -- EVEN BETTER, TRY MAILCALL from the archives. It's one of my startup applications. It setsup a little scrolling window at the lower left side of the screen, gives a sound qeue when new mail arrives and displays the from and subject fields. Suspended application icons peek out from behind MailCall's window. - barre
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Re: NeXT Gopher Server Message-ID: <1993Jan20.103019.20076@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College References: <1993Jan15.162235.23878@linus.mitre.org> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 10:30:19 GMT In article <1993Jan15.162235.23878@linus.mitre.org> rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes: > Is there a way for my NeXT machine to become a NeXT Gopher Server? > --- > Roy SeGuine NeXT Cyberspace Architech & SA > rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org Go look at the WAIStation in the archives. - barre
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NUCA (REMINDER) Message-ID: <Jan.20.01.55.24.1993.3712@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 20 Jan 93 06:55:25 GMT References: <1992Dec30.201547.21564@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1993Jan7.180212.2847@boba.rhein-main.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. N U C A---REMINDER---REMINDER---REMINDER---REMINDER---REMINDER!!!! NeXT Users' Choice Awards---Thanks to Conrad Geiger for the name! Submissions will be taken until _Jan 23,_1993_. All you need to do is send back the form attached below with your favorite software or hardware products for 1992. The subject of the post should be Re: NUCA (or just replying to this post). Send votes to szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu I will post the results and maybe see about getting little trophies or ribbons made up for the winners. This is your chance to reward the great NeXT Developer community by shining some well deserved praise their way. The rules are: - You can only vote once (i.e. one vote per e-mail address). - You can vote for any product you wish; be it from NeXT, a 3rd party developer, shareware/freeware (or those tasty frosted donuts from Hostess under the 'other' category ;-) Finally I made up a logo for the winners to use (if they want to) to let everyone know that they won the NUCA. I'll put it up on both orst and nova. People can let me know if they think it stinks and if so please feel free to make your own (after all it is the U S E R S ' choice award so the users should get involved!). BTW you will need Helvetica-Black and Avant Garde (Book Oblique & Demi Oblique) to see the logo in all of its glory :-) NUCA Form below: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Software a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) DataBase : d.) Developer : e.) Desk Top Publishing: f.) Game : g.) Graphic : h.) MultiMedia : i.) Scientific : j.) Spreadsheet : k.) Wordprocessing : l.) Utility : m.) Video : n.) Other : 2.) Overall Software Product of the Year : 3.) Hardware a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) Display : d.) Graphic Input : e.) Mass Storage : f.) Printing/Output : g.) Video : h.) Other : 4.) Overall Hardware Product of the Year : 5.) Overall Product of the Year : -- NeXT Campus Consultant---Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey |my %^) John Kheit/monoChrome | Opinions expressed represent me only! |fried %-) 173 Westgate Drive | Audix Voice Mail# (415) 366-0900 X5512 |brain %>) Edison, NJ 08820-1163 | kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu,szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Simon Says anyone? Message-ID: <1993Jan20.112745.20890@dhhalden.no> Date: 20 Jan 93 11:27:45 GMT Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Anyone using Simon Says with 3.0? Know where I can get it? I need something to take my hands off the keyboard. - Barre
From: randy@appsoft.com (Randy Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: APPSOFT IMAGE SHIPS !!! Message-ID: <C15nx0.6po@appsoft.com> Date: 20 Jan 93 13:53:23 GMT Sender: news@appsoft.com Organization: APPSOFT NEWS RELEASE For information contact: Randy Adams, President, Appsoft, Inc. APPSOFT SHIPS APPSOFT IMAGE PHOTO EDITING AND IMAGE PROCESSING FOR NeXTSTEP Brings fast, high-quality photo editing to the NeXT market. REDWOOD CITY, CA. January 15, 1993 -- Appsoft Inc. announced today that Appsoft Image, the image processing and photo editing package for the NeXTSTEP operating system has begun shipping to customers worldwide. Appsoft Image brings fast and powerful photo editing to the NeXTSTEP desktop. Appsoft Image is designed to be used by newspapers, magazines, graphic designers and users in small businesses that need high-quality image processing for documents, ads, brochures, presentations, newsletters and publications of all kinds. Appsoft Image is the first image processing program to take full advantage of the powerful Display PostScript imaging model offered in the NeXTSTEP environment. Appsoft Image offers a complete range of painting and image manipulation tools including: IMAGE SELECTION AND MASKING TOOLS Rectangular Elliptical Freehand Bezier Magic Wand (edge detection) Add to, subtract from and refine your current selection Cut, copy or paste selections with the pasteboard Soften Edges PAINTING TOOLS Use any of the program's 24 paint tools Paint with textures, gradients, colors, cloned images or filters Paint with transparency to lighten, darken, paint on top of or behind an image Erase part of an image, a specific color, or revert to a previous version Blur, sharpen or smudge all or just a portion of your image Control paint tools with independent line and fill properties Use other paint tools with Appsoft Image's plug-in support Create a library of custom brushes, textures and gradients CHANNEL EDITING CAPABILITIES Work in separate RGB, CMYK or HSB channels Add, subtract and combine multiple channels from different images Create, edit and store an unlimited number of masks IMAGE TRANSFORMATIONS Scale, rotate, flip, slant, skew, distort or alter the perspective of any part of your image Resample or resize your image to any resolution Magnify from 32:1 to 1:32 IMAGE PROCESSING EFFECTS Apply any of the program's 25 filters to a specific selection or all of the image Adjust Filters: Alter Color, Arbitrary Map, Brightness, Color Balance,Contrast, Convert to Grayscale, Equalize, Invert, Posterize Process Filters: Add Noise, Blur, Convolution Matrix, Despeckle, Sharpen, Minimum, Maximum, Find Edges, Unsharp Mask Stylize Filters: Diffuse, Emboss, Motion Blur, Offset, Pointillize, Swirl, Waves Add filters through Appsoft Image's plug-in support TEXT Create anti-aliased text Apply textures, gradients, cloning, filters or transformations directly to text PRINTING Print to any PostScript color or black and white printer Output four color separations Calibrate your monitor to multiple output devices For complete compatibility with other applications and platforms, Appsoft Image comes with read and write support for TIFF, EPS, Scitex, PICT, PhotoShop and over 10 other external formats. Key features include the ability to work with 2 to 24-bit images in RGB, CMYK, HSB color models; define, name, group an unlimited number of masks; apply 25 build-in filters or plug in custom filters through the API; view and manipulate individual color channels including alpha transparency; clone and tile source images; construct complex discontigous selections; create custom brushes, textures and gradient blends of up to 100 component colors; create sophisticated 4 color separations and calibrate monitor color. Appsoft Image and all other Appsoft products are available through NeXTConnection and all NeXT dealers and VAR's worldwide. Privately held, Appsoft, Inc. is a major publisher of productivity software for NeXT computers and 486 computers running NeXTSTEP. Appsoft, Inc. 28 Laburnum Road, Atherton, CA 94027. Phone: (415) 802-2900. Sales Hotline: (800) 428-2777. Fax: (415) 592-6043. Email: info@appsoft.com.
From: davek@osc.COM (Dave Kellogg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.databases,comp.databases.informix Subject: Re: need a cheapter database Message-ID: <5942@osc.COM> Date: 15 Jan 93 21:03:11 GMT References: <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> <1993Jan13.082739.1447@informix.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Versant Object Technology, Menlo Park, CA >In article <1993Jan12.183945.18148@cs.umb.edu> droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) writes: > Are there any databases for the NeXT which are cheaper than > Sybase and Oracle and can still be used by an Objective-C > app via DBKit? Since you just said "database," and not specifically RDBMS, you might look at object DBMSs as well. VERSANT runs on the NeXT and because of an introductory price offer, I suspect it's much cheaper than RDBMSs (though I don't know their pricing). One of our customers wrote a DBKit interface that you might be able to get ahold of through a bulletin board (though the applicability of DBKit to an object DBMSs is questionable right now since the dbkit is table-oriented and ODBMSs are object-oriented.) Versant info at info@versant.com -- Dave Kellogg Versant Object Technology davek@versant.com
From: oly@emerson.physics.ubc.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article Date: 20 Jan 1993 16:48:17 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jjvohINN87h@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Keywords: business week Next In article <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes: > Anyone read the Business Week article about NeXT yet? Looks grim. What issue exactly? Can you summarize it? Give us some details! ________________________________________________________ B.Olav Anderson CyberSurfer NeXT Mail Accepted--> e-mail oly@emerson.physics.ubc.ca "The Years Teach Much What The Days Never Know" R.W.Emerson "The Essence of Being is Becoming" Heraclitus "How can a man be weak who dares to be at all?" H.D.Thoreau
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mahesh@numenor.next.nd.edu (Mahesh "BigMan" Subramanya) Subject: Re: Next-Attachment header Message-ID: <1993Jan20.172256.24927@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame References: <1jhkp3INNnbb@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:22:56 GMT In article <1jhkp3INNnbb@shelley.u.washington.edu> wiml@stein.u.washington.edu (William Lewis) writes: > dschuetz@is-next.umd.edu (David Schuetz) writes: > >In article <17973@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu writes: > >>Does anyone know the entire semantics (or whatever) of the NeXTmail > >>Next-Attachment header? >Next-Attachment: .tar.X.subject.attach, Y, 1/1, A, B > I seem to remember that one of the numbers in a mail header is > the *uuencoded* size of the message. Maybe this is what "A" is. > Somewhere, I've seen a semi-official description of the nextmail > format somewhere, but it was prettty vague. I can't seem to find it > in my files, either... A looong time ago, i was writing a filter to auto-translate 'tween Eudora (POP-mail) and NeXTMail. Back then, I used X -> Process ID of the child that was doing the translation Y -> Size of the final uuencoded file A -> 660 B -> 0 The 660 and 0 came from simple inspection of all the NeXTMail messages I received. They seemed to be a constant.... --- ********************* DALEKS RULE ************************* Mahesh Subramanya INTERNET: mahesh@darwin.cc.nd.edu Senior Analyst Office of University Computing University of Notre Dame Voice: (219) 631-6421 Notre Dame, IN 46556 Fax: (219) 631-8201 *****************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) Subject: Re: ethernet problems Message-ID: <1993Jan20.154459.260@ccsi.com> Sender: jcorallo@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jan14.235327.2368@macc.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 15:44:59 GMT In article <1993Jan14.235327.2368@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > In article <1993Jan13.172856.4244@nmt.edu> jefu@nmt.edu > (Jeff Putnam) writes: > > >With the coax connector the ethernet to my next seems to work jest fine, but it > >doesn't seem at all to work with the twisted pair connector. Our > >local network expert mumbles something about NeXT twisted pair connectors > >being non-compliant. > > I've had no problem whatever with my twisted-pair > connection. There are a number of nonstandard transceivers > and hubs out there in netland, and my guess is that your > problem more likely lies there than with either the NeXT > interface or the connector, which I think is about as > standard as it gets. I use thin-wire at home and have had > no problem with it, either. > From what I have been told, old UTP concentrators that are not based on the 10BaseT spec did not continuously send carrier. Since the NeXT is looking to detect carrier at the time it is bringing up the ethernet interface on the twisted pair port it will pass over that port and use the thin net port. From what I understand if you can time a reboot of the concentrator with the time it is checking the port you can get the twisted pair to stay up. This is because the old concentrators would send carrier at the time of a reboot. 10BaseT compliant concentrators continuously send carrier to the stations. So what you have is a non-10BaseT-compliant concentrator not a non-compliant NeXT port. I have heard you can play with the boot scripts to make it think the twisted pair port is up, that would help solve your problems, but I can not tell you were it is. I quickly glanced at rc.boot and rc but it was not intuitively obvious and I am sorry I do not have the time to check it out any further.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: laurent@mycroft.math.ualberta.ca (Laurent Marcoux) Subject: MIDI Interface? Message-ID: <1993Jan20.173641.4431@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:36:41 GMT Can someone please suggest a MIDI interface for the NeXT computer? I know that Pinnacle Research provides one, but I was hoping to have some options. I have also heard that one can use MIDI interfaces designed for the Mac provided one uses MIDI-cables for the NeXT. If someone knows more about this can he/she let me know? Finally, does anyone know of a site where sound samples for use with ``Presto'' might be available? Thanks Laurent
From: Alex Raftis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New Version of GraphicsWorkshop Message-ID: <1993Jan20.190533.151879@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 20 Jan 93 19:05:33 GMT Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Hello all, As I've been promissing a number of people, a newer version of GraphicsWorkshop has just been posted to sonata.cc.purdue.edu. You can get the newest version from there in the directory /pub/next/submissions/GraphicsWorkshop.tar. Also, if you're a programmer, and would like to play with the source or work with the API for the objects of converters, you may wish to also ftp /pub/next/submissions/GWSource.tar. This second file is 1.6 Megs, so I'd recommend only getting it if you like to look at source code. Here's what's new for this verison (version .85): o Support for writing .jpg files o Support for reading and writing .pcx files o Support for .jpeg and .tif extensions, as well as all extensions with capital letters. This was mainly a cosmetic change. o Support for NeXT's 3.0 help system o Cleaner code for 3.0 and the new version of the compiler. o Cleaned up a few of the existing converters. This is likely to be the last release of GraphicsWorkshop for a number of months, and while I'll continue to work on it in my spare time, my spare time has become quite sparse. Future improvements hope to add better color quantatization, support for 16 color pcx files, a view to allow the user to control compression level on jpg files, support for bmp and iff files, progress scrollers for converters, finally adding services, maybe something similar ti image agent, and in general, cleaner code in the converters. All this will be supplied in no particular order. Note, if someone else would like to add any of these changes, please feel free to, and just mail me any modified code. Alex -- ______________________________________________________ Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: Re: Simon Says anyone? Message-ID: <1993Jan20.165354.5917@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. References: <1993Jan20.112745.20890@dhhalden.no> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:53:54 GMT In article <1993Jan20.112745.20890@dhhalden.no> borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) writes: > Anyone using Simon Says with 3.0? Know where I can get it? I need something to take > my hands off the keyboard. > > - Barre Simon Says is available from: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1350 Pear Ave. Suite C Mountain View, CA 94043 Ph. (800) 828-5522 or (415) 964-1400 Fax (415) 964-1538 Email: info@hsd.com We are currently shipping version 1.1b, which is a FREE upgrade for those of you that have not already received a copy. Please contact me if you'd like to receive the 1.1b version. A new (2.0) version is scheduled for release at or before NeXTWORLD Expo in May. Features of the new version include: - New Macro Objects - Extensions to the Unix Macro Object - Keyboard Driven Macros - Remote API - Improved Recognition Please contact me if you'd like information and prices for Simon Says or other HSD products for NeXTSTEP. -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Happy Man/Simsong &Mahoney Book Message-ID: <tlm.727558979@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: 20 Jan 93 19:42:59 GMT Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA I wanted to order a copy of Simson's and Mike's book, but let the post from the fellow at Happy Man expire (since he was offering such a nice deal I wanted to give him my business :) Could some kind soul give me their E-mail address? Thanks in advance --- Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) Subject: Re: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <1993Jan20.183950.543@ccsi.com> Sender: jcorallo@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <TPV0LNB@nextcube.in-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:39:50 GMT In article <TPV0LNB@nextcube.in-berlin.de> ag@nextcube.in-berlin.de (Andreas Gradert) writes: > ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) writes: > > > borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: > > > > >Hey folks, > > > > > >there's a chance to connect a Canon CLC 300 or 500 as a scanner and printer > > >to DOS-PC's and Mac's. Does anybody know, if there's a chance to do this > > >with a NeXT, too? Does anybody know an adress of somebody who sells such > > >things? > > > > > Dots by Frederico Heinz was supposed to be adapted to the CLC-300. As far > > as I know it is marketed by d'Art Computer, Hamburg, Germany. Their phone > > number in Kiel is ++49-431-92323. I don't know their number in Hamburg > > right now. > > > Networx, rsp. HSD Berlin hat ebenfalls einen Treiber entwickelt, der kann > dann auch noch scannen. Tel +49 30 881081, contact Ulli. > > Unfortunately you will probably need an IPU to connect to the CLC and they are not cheap. You can also use a PS/IPU which is more than the IPU. We have rumors from people that work at Canon that they internally use CLC directly connected to NeXT but their hardware division will not allow the software division to sell the driver because the IPU market is extremely profitable. They also will not allow the specs to their interface port on the CLC to get in to the hands of anyone who may write a driver. You can also get a Fiery RIP which can do what the Canon PS/IPU does but a little better. Sorry I do not have any numbers but if you call Canon they might be willing to help you.
From: kickaha@siddhartha.math.lsa.umich.edu (Brian K. Boonstra) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Keyboard remapping - help w/ modifiers? Date: 20 Jan 1993 21:11:39 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Message-ID: <1jkf6bINN43f@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> I'm using Keyboard.app (NS 3.0 Developer's release) to try and give myself a saner setup for using TeX. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get the modifier keys to work. I've read the online help, which says to treat them as two-state switches, but they act as one-state switches! That is, Keyboard appears to be ignoring me when I press the Shift key. The help also says that when I press the shift key, the display ought to show the corresponding characters on the display - no such luck. Does anyone know what I can do? Especially, how do I remap shifted keys? Thanks. -- Brian K. Boonstra (313) 764-6046 kickaha@umich.edu "My strength is as the strength of ten because my code is pure."
From: rawyatt@phakt.usc.edu (Robert Alexander Wyatt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Gold-digger won't run... Date: 20 Jan 1993 13:36:44 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Message-ID: <1jkglcINN86r@phakt.usc.edu> References: <1993Jan19.170932.11241@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> I recently ftped a copy of Gold-digger since everyone seems to be enjoying it...and it doesn't work...what gives? (Yes...I am running 3.0) Where can I ftp a stable copy? Thanks! -Rob rawyatt@scf.usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ringger@cs.rochester.edu Subject: X for Non-Turbo Non-Color NeXTstation? Message-ID: <9301202012.AA09715@sol.cs.rochester.edu> Sender: ringger@cs.rochester.edu (Eric Ringger) Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 15:12:06 -0500 Hello, everyone. I am interested in using X on my *non*-turbo, *non*-color NeXTstation. I have seen a few notes about X for the NeXT recently on the net, but they have not been completely lucid. I have also read the blurbs in the "compatibility" piece of the FAQ, but that information seems to be pre-3.0 and is not as helpful as I would like. My question is this: which public-domain X servers will work with 3.0 for my machine, and where can I get them? Thanks for your help. --Eric --- Eric K. Ringger ringger@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science ------- NeXT-Mail Welcome University of Rochester Phone: (716) 275-0922 Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018 |||| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ||||
From: Alex Raftis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 20 Jan 93 22:28:52 GMT References: <1993Jan20.043133.12991@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Dmitri Linde writes >I suggest sonata start using zip or Squash for compression. It is >trivial to write a shell script which would uncompress and untar a file >and zip it. This way we could squize about 1.5 times as much on sonata. There's perhaps one problem with this idea. Many of us post packages to sonata in order to make installing them easier for new users. The problem lies in that the main file in a .pkg is a .tar.Z file, which would not likely compress more than it is already has been. That's always a problem with compressing compressed files. In fact, if you force compression of a compressed file, you often get a file that's larger than the original. Alex -- ______________________________________________________ Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
From: mcmahon@ny.shl.com (Michael McMahon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: February Meeting Agenda - ASC Version Message-ID: <C169yq.29p@ny.shl.com> Date: 20 Jan 93 21:49:38 GMT Sender: usenet@ny.shl.com (Net News) Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc. Gotham Users of NeXT - New York City Wednesday, February 10th I. Q&A - 1830 Questions. Answers. News. II. What's Next at NeXT? - 1900 There will be an open forum to dicuss what's going on at NeXT. Meaning the past, present, and future of the NeXT. The forum will include a panel comprise of Three New York area NeXT people and Three - Four Industry leader's in the New York area. Come for this most engaging talk about the viability of NeXT. III. Have Your Picture Scanned! - 1900 There will be a NeXT machine setup with a Color scanner for image scanning. In order to participate in this you must bring with you a picture of your self and a disk. The picture can be either Color or Black/White. You can use this to circulate to people for your Mail image. Electronic Directions 220 East 23rd Street, Suite 503 212-213-6500 Questions to GUN at 718-260-9848 or info@gun.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Happy Man/Simsong &Mahoney Book Message-ID: <tlm.727570432@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <tlm.727558979@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:53:52 GMT In <tlm.727558979@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: >I wanted to order a copy of Simson's and Mike's book, but let the post from >the fellow at Happy Man expire (since he was offering such a nice deal I >wanted to give him my business :) Could some kind soul give me their >E-mail address? >Thanks in advance --- Tom THANKS EVERYBODY! I got multiple copies and will get my (one) copy of the book this afternoon. TLM
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Date: 21 Jan 1993 01:27:32 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jku64INNceq@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <TPV0LNB@nextcube.in-berlin.de> <1993Jan20.183950.543@ccsi.com> jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) writes: >Unfortunately you will probably need an IPU to connect to the CLC and they >are not cheap. You can also use a PS/IPU which is more than the IPU. We Yes, unfortunately the IPU-10 can be quite expensive. However, the PS-IPU is certainly not the answers. It quietly ignores most of the capabilities of the CLC-300/500, turning a true 24 / 32 bit scanner / printer into a standard 4 bit ( 1 per color ) PostScript device. IT DITHERS! The IPU-10, on the other hand can tell the CLC to modulate each individual dot in one of several million shades (milage varies, I don't think the 24/32 bit range is fully utilized). This makes all the difference for the kinds of things people would want to use CLCs for, which is probably not lengty 1-16 color text documents, which is what the PS-IPU is good at. Additionally, they did an absolutely abysmal job with colors on the PS-IPU, so bad in fact that when we sold one, I had to write an App to help the user adjust the colors, but there's only so much you can do... In fact, we just recently tested a NeXT color printer, and the colors for most of the test pictures were far superior the PS-IPU CLC-300 setup connected to the same machine. Now, the IPU-10 CLC-300 beat both of them hands down, due to the continuous tone output, although I would probably claim that my software also had something to do with it :-) Did I mention the bugs in the PS-IPU? Oh, I forgot, those were "features". One last note on prices: A fully configured IPU-10 is quite expensive, upwards of DM 100.000,- here in Germany. However, we achieve excellent results with a 24MB model that costs just about as much the PS-IPU. >have rumors from people that work at Canon that they internally use CLC >directly connected to NeXT but their hardware division will not allow the >software division to sell the driver because the IPU market is extremely >profitable. They also will not allow the specs to their interface port on >the CLC to get in to the hands of anyone who may write a driver. You can Yes, I've heard those rumours for years, but have never been able to get them confirmed. That they don't give out specs for the interface is very, very true, yet direct interfaces do exist. Marcel Disclaimer: I make software for the NeXT <- IPU-10 -> CLC connection, so I might be considered biased. (On the other hand I also make software for the PS-IPU...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.lang.postscript From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum) Subject: Re: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <hue.727555023@coney> Sender: usenet@island.COM (The Usenet mail target) Organization: Island Graphics Corp. References: <1993Jan15.190446.3613@boba.rhein-main.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:37:03 GMT borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: >there's a chance to connect a Canon CLC 300 (or 500) as a scanner and printer >to DOS-PC's and Mac's. Does anybody know, if there's a chance to do this with a >NeXT, too? Does anybody know an adress of somebody who sells such things? The Efi Fiery and Fiery Color Server will do this. As far as I know, it's still the best RIP available for the Canon color copiers, and you can get a PhotoShop plug-in so you can scan from it. Printing to it from a NeXT shouldn't be a problem, but you might have to do a little work to get scanning to work. -Jonathan hue@island.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: glippert@dale.cts.com (George Lippert) Subject: Re: ZyXEL vs. Supra Message-ID: <C1658w.6wD@dale.cts.com> Sender: news@dale.cts.com (USENET News Account) Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation References: <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 20:07:41 GMT Garnet Steen (g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca) wrote: > I am ready to go with one of these fax modems and I want to hear > what people's experiences with them are, since I am not familiar with > either modem. Which do people 'in the know' recommend? Any horror > stories? I am VERY happy with my ZyXel. And, for the NeXT, B&W Software makes a jewel of a fax driver (NXFax) that detects whether the incoming call is fax or data or voice, so it starts up getty for you as need be. I regularly dial in, dial out, uucp, fax in, and fax out and it is always transparent. It's great. Excellent Customer Service Stories: A friend and I bought our ZyXels at the same time, about 9 months ago, but I recently upgraded the ROMS (for $35). We noticed that faxing between our NeXTs now did not work (a stupid thing to do, I agree, but we were just, er, testing). Suspecting the wide discrepancy in our ROM versions, he called ZyXel. Right away, they called my friend's modem, both using the current ROMS and the ROMS my friend told them he had, and they confirmed the problem was the old ROMS. He received the latest ROMS in the mail, free of charge, the next day. That's service! On another occasion, my office mate was using a ZyXel to transfer files to a 9600 baud modem in France. The connection was often never achieved, dropping the circuit somewhere during negotiation. ZyXel called the French modem (from LA!), called our modem, and, with their specially instrumented modem determined that we had a signal loss problem in our PBX. My office mate now has a phone line that bypasses the PBX and all is well. That's service! From what I know of the ZyXel and Supra designs, I think that the ZyXel may have the greater flexibility and potential. The ZyXel contains two Texas Instuments TMS320C?? DSP microprocessors and one MC68000. As they upgrage the ROMS (and they do this very often), new functions are regularly added (the last set featured a ZyXel-to-ZyXel proprietary 16.8 kbps mode and voice mail). Shop around. My company just bought three for employee dial-in and payed $329 each. And I've heard that better prices can be found. -- George A. Lippert work: glippert@dale.cts.com Titan Satellite Systems home: zucchini!glippert@dale.cts.com (NeXTmail ok) San Diego, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Mannning) Subject: Re: Laser printer for NeXT: looking for suggestion Message-ID: <1993Jan20.171150.2442@icomsim.com> Sender: usenet@icomsim.com (USENET News System) Organization: Icom Simulations References: <1jf70iINNanv@parsifal.umkc.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:11:50 GMT In article <1jf70iINNanv@parsifal.umkc.edu> writes: > > I am planning to connect a laser printer directly to my NeXTstation. Does any > one have any suggestion on a non-NeXT laser printer which is AFFORDABLE in > price? (Speed of printing is not much of an issue; however, price is!). I would > appreciate getting the following information: > > a. name of the printer Many brands, I assume you want a Postscript one. > b. price Not much cheaper than a NeXT printer, if at all. > c. can it be directly connected to the printer port, or, > does it need to use one of the serial ports No brand, that I know of, other than the NeXT printer will hook up to the printer port. > d. anything extra needed to make it work No. > e. anything else No. > Deep Medhi > Univ of Missouri-Kansas City > dmedhi@aazoli.cstp.umkc.edu In terms of price the NeXT printer is pretty cheap. Any other P.S. printer will need it's own Postscript Engine which will add to the cost significantly. The NeXT printer is IMHO a good value. Unlike the CD-ROM drive which does nothing special and costs more than an equivalent 3rd party drive. Same is true of RAM. I'm not sure if there's a good alternative to a NeXT monitor, probably. The point is the printer is an exception to the "get it for a outside source" rule that applies to nearly all peripherals. My $.02. -- mmanning@icomsim.com
From: d1h1883@sc.tamu.edu (Dave Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: GoldDigger Level 7 impossible?! Date: 21 Jan 1993 05:15:23 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jlbhbINNpir@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <63541@mimsy.umd.edu> In article <63541@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: > In article <1993Jan19.170932.11241@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> becker@informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: > > Has any one of you managed to get onto the left side of level 7? > > It isn't possible, is it? > > yes it is possible to get over to the left side, just very very hard. > you have to basically dance on the monsters head and hope he walks near the > ledge so you can get off before you fall. But once you cross to the left side, > I've never heard of anyone clearing the top corner of the left hand side. > so even if you are lucky enough to get across finally, it isnt very satisfying > once you get there. I think I figured out how to get into the upper left hand corner. Haven't come close yet. HINT: It's gonna take lots of ladder action (five to be exact). :-) Dave -- David K. Hess Graduate Assistant David-Hess@tamu.edu Supercomputer Center Texas A&M University
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:13:05 EST From: <TAMIL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93021.011305TAMIL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CD-ROM based magazin for NeXT is shiping ========================================================================= Subject: CD-ROM based magazin for NeXT is shiping Hi All, The first issue ( JAN-FEB ) of NeXT Bimonthly CD-ROM started shipping two weeks ago. I am sorry for the delay, I was planing to ship it sometime during Christmas but the factory that was doing the manufacturing closed down for the holidays. The next issue (MAR-APR ) will ship on time (last week of February ) This CD-ROM will contain about 125 Meg's of software, but the next issue will d be about 300 Meg big. All the files are Rockridge to maintain NeXT type of filenames. The price for one year subscription(6 CD's ) will stay at U$49.95 until Feb 1st, then it's $99.95, because there is an ad on NeXT World Extra ( February ) & an ad on NeXT world for this product. Also if you want you can purchase a 2 year subscription for $99.00, until February. Many people wanted to know how this low price is possible, most of the manufacturing cost ( prmastering and mastering of the CD's ),is being paid by commercial software venders, to see there demo software on our CD. So as a subscriber you end up paying only for the Cd's and postage. Another importent thing is that we are NOT working for big profit margins rather we are just bunch of people who LOVE NeXT. Also I would like to say that this project is funded by the Canadian Governmentt in the from of a long-term ( 5 yrs ) loan. Only in Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~ Did you know that it cost me less to mail the CD's to US then mail the CD's from Canada to Canadian subscribers. Thanks Jay tamil@qucdn.queensu.ca PS : If you have not placed an order yet, you may do so by E-mailing your address and phone number, I will ship the first issue and bill you.
From: gt2186a@prism.gatech.EDU (COBIA,FRANK NAYLOR) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Saving *.eps files Message-ID: <81032@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 21 Jan 93 04:35:16 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology It is easy enough on my NeXT to share graphics between applications. I can cut and paste with the image being saved in the clip board as an eps file. My problem is that I want to create table in Improv and save the selected cells as eps files so my lab partner can load them into his word processor which runs on an IBM PC. I would like to do the same with EquationBuilder stuff. Is there a way to do this with these two programs? Even more generally, is there way to do this with any program. It seems that this should be a feature that is standard. Any help is appreciated. Frank -- COBIA,FRANK NAYLOR Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt2186a Internet: gt2186a@prism.gatech.edu
From: lauer@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Harald Lauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TexView && The Screen Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:55:23 GMT Organization: University of Passau, Germany Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1jmdgrINNkeo@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> References: <1993Jan15.195629.156848@lexmark.com> Set "Generate Fonts..." instead of "Generate script..." in the preferences panel of TeXview. This will take some time in the beginning (until all the fonts in the resolution you are normally using are generated), but then the result will look perfect and only sometimes will Metafont bother you. Regards Harald -- ================================================================================= | Harald Lauer | Email: lauer@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de NO-NeXT | | Nibelungenstrasse 7/55 | lauer@trillian.fmi.uni-passau.de MAIL! | | 8390 Passau | Phone: 0851/54261 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Is this robot yours ?" - "No, I`m mine !" (Marvin ...) =================================================================================
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:42:25 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jlr61INNdc6@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> <1jjvohINN87h@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Keywords: business week Next In article <1jjvohINN87h@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> oly@emerson.physics.ubc.ca writes: >In article <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark >Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes: >> Anyone read the Business Week article about NeXT yet? Looks grim. > >What issue exactly? Can you summarize it? Give us some details! Subscribe to comp.sys.next.advocacy! RWW. Hey, Oli! -- Robert W. "What!?! I've-been-tying-my-shoelaces-backwards-all-my-life?" Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only)
From: zazula@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Ralph Zazula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIDI Interface? Message-ID: <1993Jan20.222137.17207@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Date: 20 Jan 93 22:21:37 GMT References: <1993Jan20.173641.4431@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (C-news) Organization: Pinnacle Research, Inc. In article <1993Jan20.173641.4431@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> laurent@mycroft.math.ualberta.ca (Laurent Marcoux) writes: >Can someone please suggest a MIDI interface for the NeXT computer? I know that >Pinnacle Research provides one, but I was hoping to have some options. > >I have also heard that one can use MIDI interfaces designed for the Mac >provided one uses MIDI-cables for the NeXT. If someone knows more about this >can he/she let me know? > Hi - Here are a couple of interfaces that are known to work well with the NeXT and provide SMPTE support (which will be available in v1.0 of Presto due out really, really soon!): Studio3 - Opcode systems Midi Time Piece - Mark of the Unicorn Both of these require a custom *serial* cable (the MIDI cables are the same). The serial-cable wiring can be found in the "zs" manual page as: NeXT 68040 to Some RS-422 Devices (Null-modem cable) We use the Studio3 here and know people who use the MTP on their NeXT machines. Hope this helps Ralph --- Ralph Zazula Pinnacle Research, Inc. zazula@pri.com (NeXT Mail) (602)529-1135
From: t68@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Jos Vermaseren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Command features Message-ID: <2182@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: 21 Jan 93 10:54:50 GMT Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). Yesterday I was trying out some commandkey combinations and ran into one that I did not know it existed and had actually been missing already for quite a while. Command-<up> and command-<down> will cycle through the window list. I do not remember seeing any documentation about this. Does there exist a list of all command-<goodies>? Jos Vermaseren
From: kickaha@siddhartha.math.lsa.umich.edu (Brian K. Boonstra) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard remapping - help w/ modifiers? Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:35:58 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Message-ID: <1jmmtuINN8k9@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <1jkf6bINN43f@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> In article <1jkf6bINN43f@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> kickaha@siddhartha.math.lsa.umich.edu (Brian K. Boonstra) writes: > problem deleted Thanks to Scott Hess for the answer to this. I foolishly thought that when the docs mentioned the shift key they meant the *actual* shift key on my *keyboard*, and not the representation thereof on my screen. The answer, therefor, is that one uses the mouse to click the picture of a shift key in the window. -- Brian K. Boonstra (313) 764-6046 kickaha@umich.edu "My strength is as the strength of ten because my code is pure."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: @%$%!! printer jams paper!! Message-ID: <C17q6x.3ww@hawk.cs.ukans.edu> From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:37:45 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept Our laser printer keeps jamming, and not on the saxophone. We are using the same old paper, etc. It works about 30% of the time, and then it jams some paper. Anybody else have this problem? It is a few years old, maybe it needs an overhaul. I know this printer uses the same cartridge as the Apple IINT, is it the same mechanism inside?
From: dave@downie.commerce.ubc.ca (David Downie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail questions Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:29:26 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <1jmq26INNf4e@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Two questions: 1. How do you include a .sig file into outgoing messages. 2. When you're replying to a message, is it possible to include the original message? Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Will NeXT printer work with NS486? Message-ID: <1993Jan21.180643.2117@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Dolphin Software Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:06:43 GMT Will the standard NeXT printer work with NextStep 486? I don't see why it wouldn't but there hasn't been any mention of this one way or the other. Thanks, -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schulkow@tophat2 (Diane Schulkowski) Subject: tape backup rentals Message-ID: <1993Jan21.164933.22598@rtsg.mot.com> Sender: news@rtsg.mot.com Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:49:33 GMT I would like to rent a large tape backup device, a SCSI 525M system for instance, but I haven't found any computer rental companies that rent them. I don't want to buy one, because they are somewhere around $2K. Also, I really just want to backup the applications, NeXTStep, etc. (not user data) on my drive. The idea is that I backup the system now, and if I lose everything on my hard drive, I can recover with another rental. It seems to me that there may be a market for this. I wonder just how many people would be interested in renting a unit like this for, say $70 a day. Probably two people could split this cost and each backup their systems in one day. At this rate, it would take around 30 rentals to recover the full amount of the backup device. Send me some email if you think this is a good idea, and also if you might be interested in renting one as well (Chicago area only). Diane schulkow@rtsg.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hayward@biblio.ucs.sfu.ca (Michael Hayward) Subject: Mail.app and NewsGrazer: can a default Reply-To: header be added? Message-ID: <1993Jan21.222807.29222@sfu.ca> Keywords: Mail.app NewsGrazer Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:28:07 GMT It seems as if the following should be do-able, but I have been unable to discover *how*... I want all outgoing message to contain a Reply-To: header field with a reply address other than the From: address which is added by default. Does anyone know of a way to do this? I don't want to set up a .forward file though, because I still want to be able to receive mail sent *explicitly* to me on the NeXT. I only recently discovered that there is a way to do this in Mail.app on *individual* outgoing messages - under the Tools menu, Options, a Reply-To: header can be added to that message. But I'm hoping that there is a way to make it happen automagically, to *all* outgoing mail. It would be nice to be able to do this from NewsGrazer too - and maybe it is, although I haven't yet stumbled upon the means - to have any Email followups to a NewsGrazer posting always come to an Email address other than the default From: field. Any tips on this are welcome too... ..Michael Hayward hayward@sfu.ca P.S: I'm running NS 2.1 by the way...
From: brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HP ScanJetIIc on a NeXT ? Message-ID: <1993Jan21.225244.14885@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: 21 Jan 93 22:52:44 GMT Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Can a HP ScanJetIIc be used on a NeXT ? If so, how? Thanks, Dave.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dx@netcom.com (dx) Subject: Looking for PCNFS for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan21.235801.3881@netcom.com> Organization: The Off Beat Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:58:01 GMT We'd like to find PCNFS (in particular, rpc.pcnfsd) v2.0 for the NeXT. Does anyone have a pointer? -dx -- "You're a total sociopath in your own right!" --David Baggett
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mswitkes@ralph.cs.haverford.edu (Mike Switkes) Subject: Re: Mail.app and NewsGrazer: can a default Reply-To: header be added? Message-ID: <HS6WBATQ@cc.swarthmore.edu> Keywords: Mail.app NewsGrazer Sender: news@cc.swarthmore.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Haverford College Computer Science Department References: <1993Jan21.222807.29222@sfu.ca> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:07:32 GMT In article <1993Jan21.222807.29222@sfu.ca> hayward@sfu.ca writes: >I want all outgoing message to contain a Reply-To: header field with a >reply address other than the From: address which is added by default. Does >anyone know of a way to do this? > >P.S: I'm running NS 2.1 by the way... I don't know about 2.1 but in 3.0, try the advanced (or is it expert, I forget) preferences. There's a similar thing there. Now, does anyone know how to do the same thing from /usr/ucb/mail??? Thanks and good luck, Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Switkes mswitkes@haverford.edu Haverford College Haverford PA, 19041 (215) 896-2387 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <1993Jan22.014136.8664@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 01:41:36 GMT In article <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> Alex Raftis writes: > Dmitri Linde writes > >I suggest sonata start using zip or Squash for compression. It is > >trivial to write a shell script which would uncompress and untar a file > >and zip it. This way we could squize about 1.5 times as much on sonata. > I hope nobody does this. The reason is simple. Both GatorFTP+ and the Next File Viewer have a built-in understanding of .tar and .Z. This is very convenient. Going to something else removes this advantage. How about this...Why do all the archives have the same stuff? How about splitting up responsibilities? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Colello Carnegie Institution, Department of Plant Biology Stanford University gcolello@biosphere.stanford.edu (NeXT mail OK)
From: bjorn@darmok.uoregon.edu (Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <1jnlpbINNgl5@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: 22 Jan 93 02:22:35 GMT References: <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> Organization: University of Oregon Network Services In article <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> Alex Raftis writes: > Dmitri Linde writes > >I suggest sonata start using zip or Squash for compression. It is > >trivial to write a shell script which would uncompress and untar a file > >and zip it. This way we could squize about 1.5 times as much on sonata. > > There's perhaps one problem with this idea. Many of us post packages to sonata > in order to make installing them easier for new users. The problem lies in that > the main file in a .pkg is a .tar.Z file, which would not likely compress more > than it is already has been. That's always a problem with compressing > compressed files. In fact, if you force compression of a compressed file, you > often get a file that's larger than the original. > Not usually true. Most compression algorithms just store a file they can't compress. Besides, the unix compress program gives relatively bad compression, and compression with Squash would almost certainly compress it further.... Actually I just tried this on a 12.6 MB tar.Z file, and I got the same size 12.6. I guess it is just storing it :( Since I have so much time (not!) I just tried to squash the same files (22.8 MB of fonts) and Squash managed to get 11.04MB. This is almost certainly not representative, but that's the numbers I got... Anyone else? > Alex > -- > ______________________________________________________ > Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) > alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu -- bjorn --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen bjorn@doek.uoregon.edu NextMail Welcomed #include <std-disclaimer.h> --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P($EN(&%R=&EC;&4@ M/#$Y.3-*86XR,"XR,C(X-3(N,3(U.#@U0'IE=7,N8V%L<&]L>2YE9'4^($%L M97@@4F%F=&ES('=R:71E<SI<"CX@1&UI=')I($QI;F1E('=R:71E<UP*/B`^ M22!S=6=G97-T('-O;F%T82!S=&%R="!U<VEN9R!Z:7`@;W(@4W%U87-H(&9O M<B!C;VUP<F5S<VEO;BX@270@:7-<"CX@/G1R:79I86P@=&\@=W)I=&4@82!S M:&5L;"!S8W)I<'0@=VAI8V@@=V]U;&0@=6YC;VUP<F5S<R!A;F0@=6YT87(@ M82!F:6QE7`H^(#YA;F0@>FEP(&ET+B!4:&ES('=A>2!W92!C;W5L9"!S<75I M>F4@86)O=70@,2XU('1I;65S(&%S(&UU8V@@;VX@<V]N871A+EP*/B!<"CX@ M5&AE<F4G<R!P97)H87!S(&]N92!P<F]B;&5M('=I=&@@=&AI<R!I9&5A+B!- M86YY(&]F('5S('!O<W0@<&%C:V%G97,@=&\@<V]N871A("!<"CX@:6X@;W)D M97(@=&\@;6%K92!I;G-T86QL:6YG('1H96T@96%S:65R(&9O<B!N97<@=7-E M<G,N(%1H92!P<F]B;&5M(&QI97,@:6X@=&AA="`@7`H^('1H92!M86EN(&9I M;&4@:6X@82`N<&MG(&ES(&$@+G1A<BY:(&9I;&4L('=H:6-H('=O=6QD(&YO M="!L:6ME;'D@8V]M<')E<W,@;6]R92`@7`H^('1H86X@:70@:7,@86QR96%D M>2!H87,@8F5E;BX@5&AA="=S(&%L=V%Y<R!A('!R;V)L96T@=VET:"!C;VUP M<F5S<VEN9R`@7`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`N=&%R+EH@9FEL92P@86YD($D@9V]T('1H92!S M86UE('-I>F4@,3(N-BX@22!G=65S<R!I="!I<R!J=7-T('-T;W)I;F<@:70@ M.B@@(%-I;F-E($D@:&%V92!S;R!M=6-H('1I;64@*&YO="$I($D@:G5S="!T M<FEE9"!T;R!S<75A<V@@=&AE('-A;64@9FEL97,@*#(R+C@@34(@;V8@9F]N M=',I(&%N9"!3<75A<V@@;6%N86=E9"!T;R!G970@,3$N,#1-0BX@5&AI<R!I M<R!A;&UO<W0@8V5R=&%I;FQY(&YO="!R97!R97-E;G1A=&EV92P@8G5T('1H M870G<R!T:&4@;G5M8F5R<R!)(&=O="XN+B!!;GEO;F4@96QS93]<"EP*"EP* M/B!!;&5X7`H^("TM7`H^(%]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]? M7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7U]?7UP*/B`@("`@26YT97)N970Z(&%L M97A`9&%T82YA8W,N8V%L<&]L>2YE9'4@*$YE6%0@;6%I;"E<"CX@("`@("`@ M("`@("`@("!A;&5X0&-O<VUO<RYA8W,N8V%L<&]L>2YE9'5<"EP*7`HM+2!B M:F]R;EP*"EP*+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM M+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM7`I" M:F]R;B!3+B!&:F5L9"!0971T97)S96Y<"F)J;W)N0&1O96LN=6]R96=O;BYE M9'4@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@($YE>'1-86EL(%=E;&-O;65D7`HC M:6YC;'5D92`\<W1D+61I<V-L86EM97(N:#Y<"BTM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM M+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM 5+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+5P*"GT* `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmitri@physics (Dmitri Linde) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. References: <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1jnlpbINNgl5@pith.uoregon.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:53:06 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan22.035306.16126@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> >I hope nobody does this. The reason is simple. Both GatorFTP+ and the Next >File Viewer have a built-in understanding of .tar and .Z. This is very >convenient. Going to something else removes this advantage. Use Opener.app from sonata. It will unzip .zip files when you double click on them. > There's perhaps one problem with this idea. Many of us post packages to sonata > in order to make installing them easier for new users. The problem lies in that > the main file in a .pkg is a .tar.Z file, which would not likely compress more > than it is already has been. That's always a problem with compressing > compressed files. In fact, if you force compression of a compressed file, you > often get a file that's larger than the original. > 1)Many ( at least half ) of the files on sonata are not pkg. 2)zip will usually get about 15% compression on tar.Z files so .pkg files will be compressed by at least more than 15%. Dmitri dmitri@StarConn.com
From: bjorn@darmok.uoregon.edu (Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cacheAFMData, buildafmdir for 2.1 Message-ID: <1jnrkhINNiq0@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: 22 Jan 93 04:02:25 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Does anyone have a copy of the cacheAFMData, and buildafmdir for 2.1? I have bumped into the 255 limit on fonts :( Could you mail it to me? --bjorn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen bjorn@darmok.uoregon.edu NextMail Welcomed #include <std-disclaimer.h> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Command features Message-ID: <63596@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 22 Jan 93 04:45:22 GMT References: <2182@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <2182@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> t68@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Jos Vermaseren) writes: > Command-<up> and command-<down> will cycle through the window list. unfortunately, this is an almost useless feature because you still have to take your hands off the keyboard to click the mouse to select the new key window. so what good is a KEYBOARD shortcut that requires you to use the mouse for most practical purposes?? Stuart's alt-arrow key combinations are much more useful to me, because they change the key window also. unfortunately that doesnt effect non Stuart windows. -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: NextTeXUpdate and new dvips 5.499 on labrea.stanford.edu Message-ID: <HARDY.93Jan21211536@golem.ps.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Date: 22 Jan 93 05:15:32 GMT As he promised, Tom Rokicki made the best NeXT application even better. I discovered an updated version of NeXTTeX (as well as the updated dvips v. 5.499 on labrea.stanford.edu: /labrea.stanford.edu:/: total 25 d-wxrwx-wx 2 root 102 512 Jan 21 11:00 incoming dr-xrwxr-x 26 root 102 2560 Jan 19 09:20 pub -r--r--r-- 1 root 102 45748 Jan 21 11:00 ls-lR.Z dr-xrwxr-x 26 root 102 2560 Jan 19 09:20 . -rw-r--r-- 1 519 fsuser 1261568 Jan 19 07:10 NeXTTeXUp.tar -rw-r--r-- 1 519 fsuser 716621 Jan 19 06:56 dvips5499.tar.Z The first contains the NeXTTeX 3.05 update package and includes the new dvips sources. If you are going to use them on a NeXT (only under 3.0) there is no need to retrieve the second file, since all the sources are there. Don't be put off by the dvips manual version 5.497 -- no visible changes have happened between the revisions. Thanks, Tom, on behalf of all NeXTeX/TeXView users! -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Will NeXT printer work with NS486? Message-ID: <C18ryI.D0L@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Jan21.180643.2117@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:13:15 GMT gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) writes: >Will the standard NeXT printer work with NextStep 486? I don't see why it >wouldn't but there hasn't been any mention of this one way or the other. Interesting thought - I haven't seen any mention of it either. Obviously, you would need someplace to plug it in! NeXT (or someone) would have to design a card (probably EISA) that would give you the connector on your PC. I believe I did read that the NCP (Color Printer) will work OK with 486 - it is a SCSI device, which most NS 486 systems will support. (You'll need a SCSI controller to hook up your CD-ROM so that you can load it!) (Disclaimer: I don't have any inside info on this, I'm just as clueless as the rest of the netnews reading population) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (Yo, NeXT, please read this) Date: 22 Jan 1993 07:04:25 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1jo69pINNrmi@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1jnlpbINNgl5@pith.uoregon.edu> <1993Jan22.035306.16126@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> There may be a way to get Workspace and Installer.app to work on a new kind of compressed file. There is a program under development called "gzip" (GNU zip) which is based heavily on the code in Info-zip, but is designed to replace Unix compress, uncompress, and zcat. gzip can decompress normal Unix .Z files, as well as it's own files. Now, here's the tricky part. There are executables in Installer.app and /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app/compression.bundle that I believe are used for decompression (they are fcat and compression) but I don't know how they are used. If someone from NeXT could tell me (yo, NeXT, someone listening?), I can replace those with something that understands both .Z files and gzip files (which can end in .Z also if you like). Then, you can use gzip to replace the current .Z files in both packages and normal .tar.Z distributions with gzip compressed files. The improvment in compression is quite significant. That along with another package (that uses a normal .Z file) that would replace the decompression executables for Workspace and Installer.app would make such files transparent to the user. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dse@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (donald.s.eaves) Subject: Re: Business Week article (what a joke!) Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:25:15 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan22.022515.1674@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> Keywords: business week Next References: <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> <1jjvohINN87h@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> In article <1jjvohINN87h@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> oly@emerson.physics.ubc.ca writes: >In article <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark >Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes: >> Anyone read the Business Week article about NeXT yet? Looks grim. BW did so much spinning on this article, its slanderous. Compare the NeXT article to the Borland article on the facing page: THE FACTS: NeXT posts its first profit, has big sales of its hot new NeXTSTEP 486 product which is two years ahead of the competitors and has a 1992 growth that outpaced the workstation market growth. Borland is loosing market share and revenues, announces a 11 million dollar operating loss. is beat to the market by Microsoft and its stock is at a 52 week low. THE PICTURE: BW presents an unflattering, candid, off-center, mainly unfocused picture of Jobs. Kahn carefully poses, with an artificial smile, for a great publicity shot. THE TITLE: "NeXTs BLACk BOX MAY BE THE NEXT TO GO" (A RUMOR denied by Jobs!!! This title can easily be misunderstood as meaning that NeXT is next to go.) "A BRUISED BORLAND IS UP AND SWINGING" (Another rumor, creating quite a different perception.) I think the real problem is, as BW points out, that NeXT doesn't buy ads in BW, while its competitors certainly do. To present a positive article about NeXT could potentially result in some of those competitors pulling ads from BW. I'm pissed and I'm writing a letter to BW. Maybe if they receive enough letters they will publish one in the Reader's report. Don Hypersight Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: robert@penny.demon.co.uk (Robert Harkess) Subject: Newsgrazer Organization: Demon Internet Services. Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:36:08 GMT Message-ID: <C191C9.IKK@gate.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@gate.demon.co.uk (Usenet Administration) Hi Is anybody out there My NewsGrazer is telling me that there are no unread articles here! Rob
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <7439@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 21 Jan 93 19:38:07 GMT References: <1993Jan20.043133.12991@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Distribution: usa In article <1993Jan20.043133.12991@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> dmitri@physics (Dmitri Linde) writes: ] In article <C14r6A.B9K@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: ] > ] >Is sonata having problems because of disk space? If so, can I suggest ] >that the submitter of the photo_cd.tar.Z remove this file? It is 5 megs, ] >and not really worth the 5 megs it takes up. Also, to the person who ] >recently attempted to submit a gcc.2.3.3 package, you could always remove ] >the gcc.2.3.1.pkg.tar file (about 3 megs), thus getting the space required ] >to put gcc.2.3.3 there. ] [ text deleted ] ] P.S. I think it is possible for any user to write and delete files in ] submissions directory, so if there is a big bad file such as gcc.2.3.1.pkg.tar ] anybody can erase it using the delete command in ftp and upload for ] instance gcc.2.3.3 (or the latest version) I was loath to remove someones else's submission! Since I see that the 2.3.1 package is gone, I will try to resubmit the compiled gcc 2.3.3 for the NeXT. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Mail.app and NewsGrazer: can a default Reply-To: header be added? Message-ID: <1993Jan22.094354.1054@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <1993Jan21.222807.29222@sfu.ca> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:43:54 GMT In article <1993Jan21.222807.29222@sfu.ca> hayward@biblio.ucs.sfu.ca (Michael Hayward) writes: > It seems as if the following should be do-able, but I have been unable to > discover *how*... > > I want all outgoing message to contain a Reply-To: header field with a > reply address other than the From: address which is added by default. Does > anyone know of a way to do this? As someone else points out, 3.0 Mail lets you do this, NewsGrazer post preferences also includes a Reply-To field that you can set. The generic solution to wanting extra headers is to replace the mailer (or, in NewsGrazers case, inews) in preferences. Put in a script that runs awk/gawk/perl as you prefer, and let it add the header. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 paull@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: (0494)680228 76711.451@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (Yo, NeXT, please read this) Message-ID: <1993Jan22.143123.5500@lkba.uucp> Sender: lkb@lkba.uucp (Larry Blische) Organization: LKB Associates, Inc. References: <1jo69pINNrmi@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:31:23 GMT Actually, I like the idea of us users supporting our archive site with $ so they can buy another Gig or two of space. If many of us can afford the $40 book can't 50 of us afford $40 for $2000 of disk space. Or 100 x $20? But how does purdue feel about this? The sonata mail server (I'm not on the Internet) used to be very useful to me, but for the last month or two, it never mails anything back. Gee, I hope it's not queueing all of those requests for 00ls-lR.txt! -- Larry Blische uunet!lkba!lkb LKB Associates, Inc. 3118 Dunglow Road Dundalk, Maryland 21222-5304 USA
From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (what a joke!) Date: 22 Jan 1993 15:19:25 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jp39tINN1hd@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <1993Jan22.022515.1674@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> In article <1993Jan22.022515.1674@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> dse@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (donald.s.eaves) writes: > In article <1jjvohINN87h@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> oly@emerson.physics.ubc.ca writes: > >In article <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark > >Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes: > >> Anyone read the Business Week article about NeXT yet? Looks grim. > > BW did so much spinning on this article, its slanderous. > Compare the NeXT article to the Borland article on the facing page: > > THE FACTS: > NeXT posts its first profit, has big sales of its hot new NeXTSTEP 486 > product which is two years ahead of the competitors and has a 1992 growth > that outpaced the workstation market growth. > > Borland is loosing market share and revenues, announces a 11 million > dollar operating loss. is beat to the market by Microsoft and its stock > is at a 52 week low. > > THE PICTURE: > BW presents an unflattering, candid, off-center, mainly unfocused picture > of Jobs. > > Kahn carefully poses, with an artificial smile, for a great publicity shot. > > THE TITLE: > "NeXTs BLACk BOX MAY BE THE NEXT TO GO" > (A RUMOR denied by Jobs!!! This title can easily be misunderstood as > meaning that NeXT is next to go.) > > "A BRUISED BORLAND IS UP AND SWINGING" > (Another rumor, creating quite a different perception.) > > > I think the real problem is, as BW points out, that NeXT doesn't buy ads > in BW, while its competitors certainly do. To present a positive article > about NeXT could potentially result in some of those competitors pulling > ads from BW. > > I'm pissed and I'm writing a letter to BW. Maybe if they receive enough > letters they will publish one in the Reader's report. > > Don > Hypersight Inc. I hope you do write to BW. Your analysis of the article agrees with my own. A big part of the problem is NeXT's advertising budget for "general ads". Friends at NeXT say this is not going to change any time soon either. But they consider their current strategy for big installations of NeXTSTEP to be working well for them. And they are not going to turn into a software only company. There will always be a black standard. With NS486 and NSHP they will cover a larger chunk of the market too, but the best of NS will always dress in black first ;-) -Bill -- _ _|_______====___H____/===_====_====_====_====_===\____H___====_____ |_______| [[[[ \### &&&&&&&&&&&&||&&&&&&&&&&&& ###/ [[[[ | _______| [][] |____ """ UNION | | PACIFIC """ | |o ____| UP |__| \___________________|_ |____________________/\_________|| |_| / |__74__| \_| | | | | | || | | | | | | | / \| | ||| |_|=|====|======|===|===\/=================================|=\/=|======|===|_| |_| [(o)=(o)=(o)=(o)]|_________________||________________[(o)=(o)=(o)=(o)]|_| ============================================================================== ] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] 5000 H.P. Track Staightener
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jw_shin@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Jin woo Shin) Subject: NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <aT2RXB2w165w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> Sender: wbbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us Organization: Quake Public Access, Sylmar CA Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:59:09 GMT I'm planning to move on to either NeXT machine or NeXTStep 486 soon and I need some feedback on NeXTStep 486. Is there anyone out there who is using NeXTStep 486 right now? If so, could you give me a general difference between a NeXT machine running NeXTStep and 80486 running NeXTStep 486? Also, how is the hardware support, such as video, network card, SCSI, sound...? Thanks. --- BBS: Programer's Paradise 818-701-7465 / Remote Sysop "Jin woo" Internet: usc.edu!usc!celia!techsys!pain!jw_shin jw_shin@quake.sylmar.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) Subject: FAX a ps file from a remote machine? Message-ID: <1993Jan22.152859.26991@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Usenet) Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:28:59 GMT I seem to recall a product that claims to allow users on remote machines to FAX a document through a fax modem attached to a NeXT. Unfortunately, it only supports Zyxel. Have any of you tried to fax from a remote machine through a DoveFax attached to a NeXT? Presumably, it involves making an EPS file with the proper fax header, and page information, then using NeXT's lpr. Thanks for any advice/recommendations. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... .cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center .*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. .FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jw_shin@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Jin woo Shin) Subject: NeXT on colleges Message-ID: <DX2RXB3w165w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> Sender: wbbs@quake.sylmar.ca.us Organization: Quake Public Access, Sylmar CA Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:01:36 GMT Hello all. I'm a high school senior who is about to go to university. Could anyone tell me how the NeXT computer is doing in college life? Such as whether nor there is a active NeXT cliche in the college, active users who are supportive of each other in promoting this great machine, university's network and NeXT connectability is etc... The colleges that I am interested are... University of California at Berkeley University of California at Los Angeles University of California at San Diego and Carnegie Mellon University. Thanks. --- BBS: Programer's Paradise 818-701-7465 / Remote Sysop "Jin woo" Internet: usc.edu!usc!celia!techsys!pain!jw_shin jw_shin@quake.sylmar.ca.us
From: tg@chmsr.gatech.edu (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Summagraphics Bitpad One: Any info? Message-ID: <81329@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 22 Jan 93 16:35:57 GMT Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Followup-To: comp.graphics Organization: Center for Human-Machine Systems Research - Georgia Tech During my search for a graphics tablet, I happened to find a Summagraphics Bitpad One without the power supply or the light pen (or the manuals). This particular model appears to be prehistoric, in any case more than ten years old. Nobody here remembers who used it, with what computers etc. It appears to be in good shape. I would like to use it with NeXT, but I cannot even test it. The directory assistance for area code 203 (the tablet has a Fairfield, CT address) shows no entry for Summagraphics. The 800 number I got from enquiry (800 221 9244) is "disconnected and no further information is available." Is Summagraphics alive? If not, is there some other company that sells spares for their tablets? Or, is it even worth trying to locate the parts? Another alternative is buy parts from people who don't have use for them. Any information, suggestions or ideas are welcome. -- T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873, 894 2301 (fax) NeXTmail welcome. Member, League for Programming Freedom (Info from: lpf@uunet.uu.net) ISyE-0205, Georgia Tech, 765 Ferst Drive, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205, USA.
Control: cancel <1993Jan14.221737.176@netcom.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vin@netcom.com (Vin Locke) Subject: cmsg cancel <1993Jan14.221737.176@netcom.com> Message-ID: <1993Jan22.161351.22403@netcom.com> Sender: vin@netcom.com (Vin Locke) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1993Jan14.221737.176@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:13:51 GMT <1993Jan14.221737.176@netcom.com> was cancelled from within rn. -- --vin vin@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If productivity can really be measured as the rate at which lines of code are produced, why not just use a tight loop to spew code as fast as possible, and send the programmers home? --Brad Cox
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: Re: HP ScanJetIIc on a NeXT ? Message-ID: <1993Jan22.164800.14177@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. References: <1993Jan21.225244.14885@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:48:00 GMT In article <1993Jan21.225244.14885@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) writes: > Can a HP ScanJetIIc be used on a NeXT ? > If so, how? > > Thanks, Dave. Well, yes... Indirectly. Trade it in (we'll give you $500 credit) and purchase an HSD Scan-X Color, the top-rated 24-bit color scanner for the NeXT (see Feb/Mar 1993 issue of NeXTWORLD Magazine). You'll get: - Spectrum Enhancement - 600 dpi resolution for Color and Gray - 2400 dpi for line-art - PowerScan Software (also top-rated) - Incredible dynamic range - The best scanning hardware available - HSD support, service and innovation In addition, it's directly supported in the following NeXTstep applications: - Appsoft Image - Insight Electophile - VISUS Papersight - Imagine Media Station - 8 others currently in the works As for the HP IIc, you can even keep it, or sell it to someone with a Mac. We'll give you the credit just because you own one! Please contact me if you need additional info. -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400 NOTE: This offer is available to all HS ScanJet IIc owners. And HSD offers a scanner trade-in program no matter what scanner hardware you own. Contact me directly for details.
From: garity@MATH.ORST.EDU (Dennis Garity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Printing Postscript files 2 to a page Keywords: Postscript, psnup Message-ID: <1jp9upINNn5c@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: 22 Jan 93 17:12:56 GMT Article-I.D.: gaia.1jp9upINNn5c Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University I'm on a mixed network of Suns and NeXTs and have a question regarding printing postscript files (*.ps). On the Sun part of our system, we have a command, psnup, which takes a postscript file consisting of many pages and prints it 2, 4, or 8 pages to one page. Using Preview on the NeXT, the format option is disabled when working with a postscript file consisting of many pages. Is there a way to print postscript files directly from the NeXT 2,4 or 8 pages to one page? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dennis Garity Mathematics Department Oregon State University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Mail questions Message-ID: <1993Jan22.153618.6898@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1jmq26INNf4e@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:36:18 GMT In article <1jmq26INNf4e@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> dave@downie.commerce.ubc.ca (David Downie) writes: >>Two questions: >> >>1. How do you include a .sig file into outgoing messages. >>Thanks One approach is to use Terminal services. Simply make a service that performs a "cat /<fullpathname>/.signature". At first I tried "cat ~/.signature" but alas, it choked. Adding the full path fixed it though. >>2. When you're replying to a message, is it possible to include the >>original message? Yes. Hit the "Forward" button. -- Ronald Pomeroy "The Internet is just a giant petri dish" Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <SOWA.93Jan22102901@amdew.llnl.gov> Date: 22 Jan 93 17:29:01 GMT References: <1993Jan20.043133.12991@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: usenet@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science In-reply-to: Alex Raftis's message of 20 Jan 93 22:28:52 GMT >>>>> "Alex" == Alex Raftis <alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu> writes: Alex> There's perhaps one problem with this idea. Many of us post packages to sonata Alex> in order to make installing them easier for new users. One person's opinion: I hate packages for freeware/shareware. I end up looking inside the .pkg directory and unpacking the .tar.Z directly with Opener.app. I like to see what's inside before I install. The idea of a new user simply double-clicking to install a .pkg obtained from the net is a little scary to me. I do some risky things along those lines, but at least I'm aware of the potential consequences. And those receipts always go to /NextLibrary/... Baaaad! They should go to ?localLibrary or ~/Library, depending on where the installation takes place. p.s. Alex - GW is great! -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: jr@sade.ka.sub.org (Jochen Richter) Subject: Development Tools for TMS320C40 on NeXT? Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:52:51 GMT Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn Sender: news@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Das Newssystem auf pilhuhn) Message-ID: <1993Jan22.095251.18986@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org> Hi, I am looking for TMS320C40 emulations, cross compilers and hardware attachments for NeXTstations. Jochen -- Jochen Richter Phone +49-721-696922 Zahringerstrasse 57 Fax +49-721-696988 D-7500 Karlsruhe 1 e-mail: jr@sade.ka.sub.org Germany jr@resy.kfk.de (>50K)
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (Yo, NeXT, please read this) Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:08:10 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1jpgmqINNcnf@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1jo69pINNrmi@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Jan22.143123.5500@lkba.uucp> Larry Blische noticed that a strings on the Compression.tool executable in /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app turns up things like /usr/ucb/uncompress and /usr/ucb/compress. So, if I replace those with the gzip executable, it should "just work". Well, it does! It just works. Workspace now works with both the old .Z files and new gzip-made .Z files, and will use gzip for the Compress menu item. (gzip was written to replace compress, and works the same way with the same command structure and recognition of the command name for determining what to do, and it can uncompress old .Z files.) And guess what? Installer.app works with gzip files now too! I took a .pkg I had laying around, and decompressed the .tar.Z file and recompressed it using gzip. It was still a .tar.Z file, but now was 23K instead of 42K. I opened the package, and installed it with Installer, and it worked. It just works. I have uploaded gzip081.tar.Z to pub/next/submissions on sonata. It is the source code to gzip 0.81. Don't worry about the version number-- the code is very stable at this point. Soon GNU will switch to gzip for software distribution. I have also uploaded gzip081-bin30.tar.Z. It is gzip compiled under NeXTstep 3.0, and it's associated documentation and other shell commands. If you want to replace Unix uncompress for Workspace and Installer, do this as root: mv gzip /usr/ucb/uncompress ln /usr/ucb/uncompress /usr/ucb/zcat This only extends the functionality of uncompres and zcat--both they and Workspace and Installer will still work on old .Z files. The only difference is that they will now also work on gzip-made .Z files. If you also want to replace compress so that the Workspace Compress menu item used gzip instead of the old Unix compress (for much better compression), then also do this: mv /usr/ucb/compress /usr/ucb/compress.old ln /usr/ucb/uncompress /usr/ucb/compress You can reverse the above step with: mv /usr/ucb/compress.old /usr/ucb/compress and you can reverse the step that preceded that with: ln /usr/ucb/compress /usr/ucb/uncompress ln /usr/ucb/compress /usr/ucb/zcat Now, if properly noted to people who ftp to sonata, sonata can be recompressed with gzip. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:10:54 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1jpgruINNcrl@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1jo69pINNrmi@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Jan22.143123.5500@lkba.uucp> <1jpgmqINNcnf@gap.caltech.edu> Oh, I forgot to remove the "Yo, NeXT" from that last post. It's ok NeXT, it was easier than I thought, and I don't need to know anything more about Installer or Workspace. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mikhe@ida.liu.se (Mike Henry) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <1993Jan22.140104.19984@ida.liu.se> Sender: news@ida.liu.se Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden References: <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1993Jan22.014136.8664@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:01:04 GMT gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) writes: >I hope nobody does this. The reason is simple. Both GatorFTP+ and the Next >File Viewer have a built-in understanding of .tar and .Z. This is very >convenient. Going to something else removes this advantage. *NOT* I don't know if actually ever used a NeXT but if you had you would know that once you've run an app then that app will register which extensions that Workspace will recognize and which will cause that particular app to be launched. Hence, once you launched UnSquash it will "register" the extensions .squfold, .squ etc. so that next time you click on a Sqashed folder UnSquash will automagically UnSquash the Squashed folder. Considering UnSquash is free (although Squash isn't) doesn't really "remove any advantages". Sorry for the mild antagonism. I'm not advocating the use of Squash/UnSquash in particular since these are commercial products, even though for text files and such the compression ratio is much higher than ordinary tar/compress. However I do like the compression achieved with Squash. BTW, has anybody heard of the "new" GNU compressor 'gzip', I think it is called. Does it use similar algorithms as Squash? Probably not the right forum to ask however... B^) >Greg Colello -Mike -- Mike Henry INET : mikhe@ida.liu.se /// August Wahlstromsv. 4 /// S-182 31 Danderyd \\\/// SWEDEN TEL : +46 8 755-8687 \XX/
From: bly@btree.uucp (Roger Bly) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <1993Jan22.081439.24884@btree.uucp> Date: 22 Jan 93 08:14:39 GMT References: <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Organization: Brooktree Corporation In article <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes: >Anyone read the Business Week article about NeXT yet? Looks grim. Really looks like Steve is going to have to dump the hardware business to keep NeXT and NeXTStep going. With deals in the works with Compaq, HP, etc. It looks like NeXT will be a software company by the end of the year. But of course, software is where all the value/money is! What a strange industry this has become: - IBM predicts 60% of it's revenue will soon come from software & services. - Wang is dropping hardware and focusing on software & services. - NeXT is dropping hardware to become an operating system company. NeXTStep/Mach should be good competition for NT. Esp. if Compaq ships it on their 486 PCs. -Roger Bly
From: bizarre@clients-r-us.tamu.edu (Tom Swanner III) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: spurious DMA interrupt: Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:58:18 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <1jpjkqINN8k6@tamsun.tamu.edu> I've been getting these on my console log quite a bit lately...any clues? spurious DMA interrupt: channel 0x2000110 spurious DMA interrupt: channel 0x2000110 spurious DMA interrupt: state 0x1000000 channel 0x2000110 Thanks, Tom Swanner III bizarre@clients-r-us.tamu.edu
From: bizarre@clients-r-us.tamu.edu (Tom Swanner III) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: spurious DMA interrupt: Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:58:29 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <1jpjl5INN8l1@tamsun.tamu.edu> I've been getting these on my console log quite a bit lately...any clues? spurious DMA interrupt: channel 0x2000110 spurious DMA interrupt: channel 0x2000110 spurious DMA interrupt: state 0x1000000 channel 0x2000110 Thanks, Tom Swanner III bizarre@clients-r-us.tamu.edu
From: bizarre@clients-r-us.tamu.edu (Tom Swanner III) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: spurious DMA interrupt: Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:59:43 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <1jpjnfINN8ne@tamsun.tamu.edu> I've been getting these on my console log lately...Any ideas? spurious DMA interrupt: channel 0x2000110 spurious DMA interrupt: channel 0x2000110 spurious DMA interrupt: state 0x1000000 channel 0x2000110 Thanks, Tom Swanner III bizarre@clients-r-us.tamu.edu
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will NeXT printer work with NS486? Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:24:39 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Message-ID: <1jphlnINN7jl@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <1993Jan21.180643.2117@netcom.com> <C18ryI.D0L@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <C18ryI.D0L@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: >gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) writes: > >>Will the standard NeXT printer work with NextStep 486? I don't see why it >>wouldn't but there hasn't been any mention of this one way or the other. > >Interesting thought - I haven't seen any mention of it either. >Obviously, you would need someplace to plug it in! NeXT (or >someone) would have to design a card (probably EISA) that would give >you the connector on your PC. >I believe I did read that the NCP (Color Printer) will work OK with Hmmm ... first a disclaimer ... NOT a hardware guru! but, the NeXT printer is only a print head. All the imaging and such goes on in the 680x0 and gets sent out to the printer. If NeXT does the same with the P5, then you are right .. all you need is a place to plug it in. I think the same can be said about the NCP. Later, hope my thinking is right. :) Joel Belog nether@wpi.wpi.edu
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Will NeXT printer work with NS486? Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:28:34 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Message-ID: <1jpht2INN7p8@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <1993Jan21.180643.2117@netcom.com> <C18ryI.D0L@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> OOOPPPPSSSSS! Sorry folks. In an earlier post, I commented on the NP and NSP with NS486. I said P5, I meant to say 486!!!!!! I didn't mean to say P5 ... I hit the send button too fast. {kick in the rear} Ouch! O.K. I will proofread next time!!!! bye Joel Belog nether@wpi.wpi.edu
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:22:06 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: Sun, Display PostScript SunSoft is announcing their intention to use Display PostScript today at the X Conference in Boston. Once again NeXT leads the way! Quoting Sun: SUNSOFT'S WINDOWS DIRECTIONS SunSoft recently entered into an agreement with Adobe Systems to license the Display PostScript System (DPS) for Solaris. This message is intended to clarify SunSoft's OpenWindows directions in light of our partnership with Adobe and our commitment to MIT's X Window System. Since 1989, Sun has supported MIT's X protocol in its OpenWindows product. SunSoft will continue its commitment to MIT's X Window system by shipping an OpenWindows product based on the MIT source code. The last release of Solaris featuring X11/NeWS and TNT will ship in mid 1993. Subsequent releases of Solaris will incorporate MIT's X11R5 coupled with Adobe Display PostScript Level 2 as well as other imaging and geometry libraries. OLIT IMPROVEMENTS The mid 1993 release of Solaris will feature major improvements in the OPEN LOOK Intrinsics Toolkit (OLIT) based on X11R5 intrinsics. A candidate for IEEE standardization, you can easily port applications developed with OLIT to European and Asian versions. You can dynamically customize OLIT applications at runtime, allowing better control of fonts and colors. Sporting the same look and feel of applications developed with SunSoft's popular XView toolkit, OLIT is an intrinsics- based alternative. WHY A NEW DIRECTION? Starting in 1993, OpenWindows will use MIT's source code as its foundation. Though the switch from an X11/NeWS based server to an X11R5 server will impact applications which depend on NeWS technology, SunSoft believes developers and users will reap major benefits. Improvements in server quality and performance, as well as a more standard X implementation will benefit all Solaris users. All programs written using the X protocol and libraries will run on the new X11R5-based server. In addition, SunSoft will be standardizing on ddx for the writing of graphics frame buffer device drivers. This, along with the adoption of a standard Xinput extension mechanism, will lower the cost of bringing hardware peripherals to market. QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS --------------------- Q. What versions of Solaris will this new OpenWindows server run on? When will this new server ship? A. This server will run on Solaris 2.x systems only. Q. What about XView? A. SunSoft recognizes that many of our customers use the XView toolkit. You do not need to port applications from XView to OLIT. You can maintain your present applications on XView until you feel comfortable moving to an object environment or you need functionality not available on XView. Q. Will all the applications that now run on X11/NeWS work on this new window system? Will Drag and Drop and ToolTalk work? A. If an application conforms to X protocol, it will run. As an example, Deskset (except PageView which uses NeWS) runs on MIT's X11R5 with no code change. Applications using the ICCCM Drag and Drop protocol and ToolTalk will also work. Unfortunately, applications using the NeWS Toolkit (TNT) or NeWS imaging will not be supported. Applications using NeWS imaging must be ported to Display PostScript. We recommend that applications using TNT be ported to OLIT. Q. How long will X11/NeWS and TNT be supported? A. Support for X11/NeWS and TNT will continue to be available. Source code for the latest release of OpenWindows will also be available at a reasonable price. Q. What is DPS? A. The Display PostScript System provides a device- independent imaging model for displaying information on the screen. By allowing you to use PostScript to display text, graphics, and sampled images, it frees you from display-specific details such as screen resolution and the number of available colors. In September 1992, SunSoft entered into a long-term partnership with Adobe Systems to provide Solaris users with the Display PostScript System. SunSoft will feature DPS as an integral part of Solaris. Q. Is DPS a standard? A. Though DPS is not a sanctioned standard, it is fast becoming a de facto UNIX standard. All major Unix platform vendors (SGI, IBM, DEC, NCD, etc.), except Hewlett-Packard, support DPS. Q. What do you mean by compatibility? A. All X applications written for Solaris which conform to the X protocol should run with the X11R5 server. Developers should be able to leverage one source base for multiple UNIX platforms. Q. What about NeWSprint? A. NeWSprint will continue to be an integral part of Sun's printing solution. The windows direction has no adverse impact on NeWSprint. In a separate agreement with Adobe, SunPics has licensed Adobe technology for inclusion into future printing and imaging products. NeWSprint, an environment of many modules, enables customers to print on heterogenous networks. One of the modules will be Adobe's PostScript imager or RIP which will be shared with SunSoft's Solaris OpenWindows window system. This will enrich NeWSprint by enhancing the RIP module with industry-standard Adobe PostScript. Q. How much better is performance? A. End users will see immediate improvements in server bootup time, application launch speed, and window snap. Q. Is product quality that much better? A. We believe OWV3 is a high-quality product. By moving to an MIT source base we will be able to deliver an even higher quality product. MIT has issued many public patches since the release of R5, containing over 1,300 bug fixes. Patches are issued every few weeks. Moving to the MIT X source base allows SunSoft to leverage all engineers working on X Window Systems throughout the world. SunSoft can also be more proactive in donating work to the X community at large. Q. You say you are based on standards? Is OLIT a standard? A. Not yet, though OLIT is now the basis of a IEEE working group P1295.2 the Open Toolkit Environment (OTKE). OTKE is standards work which has been proposed in the IEEE Computer Society. This work will establish a toolkit standard based on OPEN LOOK. -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: Business Week article (what a joke!) Message-ID: <1993Jan22.184850.8457@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <1jp39tINN1hd@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:48:50 GMT In article <1jp39tINN1hd@hamblin.math.byu.edu> bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) writes: > be a black standard. With NS486 and NSHP they will cover a larger That should probably read NSPA instead of NSHP. -- Gerben Wierda Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:43:27 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1jpppvINNgb3@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1993Jan22.014136.8664@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1993Jan22.140104.19984@ida.liu.se> >> BTW, has anybody heard of the "new" GNU compressor 'gzip', I think it is Actually, I just said rather a lot about it in this very thread (probably didn't make it to your site yet). You can replace uncompress, zcat, and even compress if you like, with gzip to extend and/or improve the behavior of Workspace and Installer. gzip has been uploaded in binary and source to sonata (using the old Unix compress, of course :-)). Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Toby Paterson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (Yo, NeXT, please read this) Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:57:31 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <1jpqkbINNmel@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <1993Jan22.143123.5500@lkba.uucp> In article <1993Jan22.143123.5500@lkba.uucp> uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische) writes: > Actually, I like the idea of us users supporting our archive site with $ so > they can buy another Gig or two of space. If many of us can afford the $40 > book can't 50 of us afford $40 for $2000 of disk space. Or 100 x $20? > Hell, why doesn't everybody who has ever used the site mail in $1.00 or 50 cents even. That's gotta be enough to buy a couple of gigabytes. And don't tell me you can't spare a dollar. > But how does purdue feel about this? > Who cares - send 'em the money :-) X -- \\ / Who: Toby Paterson \\/ How: tpaterso@cs.ubc.ca, paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca //\ What: Grunt and NeXT hacker; GDSS Fellowship // \ Where: University of British Columbia
From: paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Toby Paterson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:05:09 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <1jpr2lINNmfl@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <SOWA.93Jan22102901@amdew.llnl.gov> In article <SOWA.93Jan22102901@amdew.llnl.gov> sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) writes: > >>>>> "Alex" == Alex Raftis <alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu> writes: > > One person's opinion: I hate packages for freeware/shareware. I end up > looking inside the .pkg directory and unpacking the .tar.Z directly with > Opener.app. I like to see what's inside before I install. The idea of a > new user simply double-clicking to install a .pkg obtained from the net > is a little scary to me. I do some risky things along those lines, but > at least I'm aware of the potential consequences. > That's not the way it works. When you double click on the package, it opens up in Installer. One of the options available there is to list the contents of the package. There are several advantages to using packages: 1. If the package contains many files scattered all over the place, there are no messy installation scripts to be executed or vague README files which need to be digested. The click of a button does it all for you. 2. A means for removing the package from your system or, if you just need a little space for a while, compressing the package is automatically provided. 3. It provides a convenient way to see exactly what software is installed on your system. However... > And those receipts always go to /NextLibrary/... Baaaad! They should go > to ?localLibrary or ~/Library, depending on where the installation takes > place. > I agree whole-heartedly on this issue. I think the person installing the package should have an option of where to place the receipt for a package. This would certainly be convenient in a network environment where software can either be installed on a single machine or provided to the whole network. > p.s. Alex - GW is great! > -- Ayup. > erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov) X -- \\ / Who: Toby Paterson \\/ How: tpaterso@cs.ubc.ca, paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca //\ What: Grunt and NeXT hacker; GDSS Fellowship // \ Where: University of British Columbia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kessler@roses.Stanford.EDU (Will Kessler) Subject: Video on the NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan23.001241.16763@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:12:41 GMT Hello NeXTers, My consulting firm is looking to do video input/output/compression on a NeXT. Any suggestions on where to start gathering information? Thanks! -- Will Kessler kessler@roses.stanford.edu Rehabilition Research Division Dept. of Veterans Affairs 3801 Miranda Avenue/153 Palo Alto, CA 93404-1200 (415) 493-5000 x4478 (w/v-mail) FAX (415) 493-4919 Seen on local vending machine:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter) Subject: Computer Art "works on paper" discussion group via e-mail Message-ID: <C1A50C.u3@cmcl2.nyu.edu> Sender: notes@cmcl2.nyu.edu (Notes Person) Organization: New York University Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:53:00 GMT Announcing a new mailing list discussion group for those interested in hardcopy computer art. Here is our initial charter: "The PAPER-L electronic bulletin board is designed to provide a place for artists and technicians to discuss the use of hardcopy media for computer art, and other issues related to such art. This would include, for example, discussions of various printers, papers, and related photographic processes, archival issues, esthetic issues, the announcement of computer art shows and gallery openings, and market issues relating to computer art. This bulletin board is an outgrowth of the "works on paper" birds-of-a-feather meeting at the Siggraph '92 meeting held in Chicago." We hope to meet again at Siggraph '93. We also hope to gain the e-mail participation of artists on other networks (e.g. CompuServe) via internet gateways, interested printer and imaging companies (e.g. Iris, Kodak, Tektronix), and related service companies and galleries (e.g. Nash Editions). So please pass this along! To join in, send e-mail to: listserv@acfcluster.nyu.edu (internet) or listserv@nyuacf (bitnet) and as the body of the message include this line with _your_ name: subscribe paper-l John Smith Once your subscription has been processed you will be sent a response. From that point on you will be able to send mail to all subscribers via the address: paper-l@acfcluster.nyu.edu (internet) or paper-l@nyuacf (bitnet) If any of this proves to be problematic, send direct e-mail to me at the address below. If direct e-mail also fails please consult with your local network administrators. Thanks for your interest, Phil =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Philip Galanter New York University phone: 212-998-3041 Research Associate 251 Mercer fax: 212-995-4120 Academic Computing New York, NY 10012 internet: galanter@nyu.edu O f f i c e o f A r t s & M e d i a T e c h n o l o g i e s
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (Ie, *BUY*ing more) Message-ID: <#+l3t8@rpi.edu> References: <1993Jan22.143123.5500@lkba.uucp> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:28:44 GMT uunet!lkba!lkb (Larry Blische) writes: > Actually, I like the idea of us users supporting our archive site with > the $ so they can buy another Gig or two of space. If many of us can > afford the $40 book can't 50 of us afford $40 for $2000 of disk space. > Or 100 x $20? > > But how does purdue feel about this? While there are ways to squeeze more files into the standard NeXT-specific FTP sites, I also like the idea of just buying some more room. The other methods would also be very welcome, but I don't believe it's fair to expect everyone (the archive maintainers in particular) to spend increasing amounts of time and energy trying to stuff more things into the same amount of space. I'd be willing to send some money to both the purdue gang and the cs.orst.edu gang to get some more real live disk space. If enough people sent something like $10-$20 (to each archive), they should be able to get some extra disk space to alleviate the crunch. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next-Attachment header Message-ID: <1077@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 23 Jan 93 00:15:02 GMT References: <1jhkp3INNnbb@shelley.u.washington.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com This is a repost of an article posted by Avie Tevanian of NeXT a bit over a year ago. It details the NeXTmail format header, so you don't have to guess. It looks like it's formatted a bit weirdly in this post window, but I'm too lazy to re-break the lines. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 From: avie@next.com (Avadis Tevanian) Subject: Re: NeXTMail and proprietary file formats (was: NeXTMail on a MAC) Date: 21 Sep 91 03:32:12 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Our Mail program does not use a proprietary format. I encourage you to write mail programs for other platforms, or even other UI's for our software environment that can send and receive this format. To assist you, I am including the specification of the format in this message. Thanks go to Kevin Wells for writing this all up, we give it out to anyone that asks. [Note that Kevin's version is full of fancy formatting options, but I won't post in RTF to reduce the potential flamage :-)]. NeXTmail Message Format Copyright 1990 by NeXT Computer, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The NeXT logo is a registered trademark of NeXT Computer, Inc. in the U.S. and other countries. NeXT and NeXTmail are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. UNIX is a registered trademark of AT&T. All other trademarks mentioned belong to their respective owners. NeXTmail Message Format This document describes the NeXTmail multimedia transmission format for users and developers who want to access and create NeXTmail messages on other UNIX platforms, or build gateways between NeXTmail and other mail systems. The procedures described here rely on utility programs found in most standard UNIX implementations. This specification applies to NeXT software releases 1.0 and 2.0. The NeXTmail system sends and receives both standard UNIX mail messages and NeXTmail multimedia messages. When sending a message, as soon as the user attaches a document or formats the text with anything other than the default font and paragraph formats, the message is converted to the NeXTmail multimedia format. This change occurs at a specific time and is indicated by a change in the icon on the Deliver button in the send window. Once this change occurs, it cannot be undone. When receiving messages, NeXTmail automatically interprets the multimedia format correctly. Although the the NeXTmail multimedia format is straightforward and easily specified, NeXT expects to change this format in the future, and thus has chosen not to publish the specification. The information in this document is subject to change without notice and must be used with the full realization that programs and procedures created based on this information will not continue to work indefinitely. Receiving NeXTmail Format Messages When a NeXTmail multimedia message is received, it contains a normal RFC822 header with an additional Next-Attachment field, and a block of ASCII encoded hexadecimal digits surrounded by lines containing the words begin and end. The body of the message has been put in uuencoded format to convert binary data to ASCII for transmission, and compressed for efficiency. To reconstruct the message, three operations must be performed: The message must be unencoded, uncompressed, and broken down into its component files. To reconstruct NeXTmail messages, perform the following steps: 1. Save the text of the message in a file called mailfilename in its own subdirectory. 2. Run the command: uudecode mailfilename This operation produces a file called .tar.nnn.subject.attach where nnn is some unique number, and subject is the subject of the mail message with blanks replaced by underscores. (Note that uudecode automatically ignores the mail header.) 3. Run the command: uncompress < .tar.nnn.subject.attach | tar xvf - This operation uncompresses the message and breaks it up into its component files. At a minimum, there will be one file named index.rtf, which contains the body of the message in Rich Text Format (RTF). (For information about RTF see the Rich Text Format specification available from Microsoft and published in the Supplementary Documentation manual from the NeXT Developer's Library.) In addition, if the message contains sound documents, pictures, or other documents, these objects will appear in separate files. For more information on the UNIX commands specified here, see the relevant UNIX manual pages. RTF Format NeXT has extended the standard RTF file format to allow references to documents to be attached to NeXTmail messages. Such references are of the form: {\attachmentnnn attachmentname } where attachmentname is the file name of the attachment, and nnn is the position of the attachment within the body of the mail message (specified as the number of characters from the beginning of the file). The attachment reference can occur anywhere in the file, but multiple attachments must be referenced in the order in which they appear in the message. Following is an example of an RTF file with an embedded attachment reference: {\rtf0\ansi{\fonttbl\f0\fswiss Helvetica;\f1\fmodern Ohlfs;\f2\fnil Times-Roman;} \margl120 \margr120 {{\attachment86 attachmentname } \pard\tx960\tx1920\tx2880\tx3840\tx4800\tx5760\tx6720\tx7680\tx8640\tx9600\f1 \f s28 this is some rich text \f0 this is some helvectica\ \ this is more helvetica\ \pard\tx960\tx1920\tx2880\tx3840\tx4800\tx5760\tx6720\tx7680\tx8640\tx9600\f0 \b 0\i0\ul0\fs28 \ \pard\f2\b\fs24 This is times bold \f0\b0 .\ \ and another line of text\ } Creating NeXTmail Format Messages The procedure for creating NeXTmail messages on non-NeXT UNIX systems is the inverse of the procedure for reconstructing NeXTmail messages. Perform the following steps to create a NeXTmail message: 1. Create the index.rtf file containing the message body and references to any attached files as described above. 2. Put the index.rtf file and all of the files to be attached to the message in a separate subdirectory. 3. Run the command: tar cvf - * | compress | uuencode .tar.nnn.subject.attach > ../subject.temp where subject is the subject of the message with blanks replaced by underscores, and nnn is an arbitrary integer. This operation produces a file called subject.temp, in the parent directory of the directory where the files to be mailed reside. (Note that this command must be entered as a single line.) 4. Mail this file in a message by itself, adding a header field of the form: Next-Attachment: .tar.nnn.subject.attach, bytes, 1/1, size, 0 where bytes is the length in bytes of the subject.temp file, and size is the integer number of 48 byte blocks (counting the last partial block as a whole block), multiplied by 66 characters per block. -- Avadis Tevanian, Jr. (Avie) Director, System Software NeXT, Inc. avie@NeXT.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <1993Jan22.230602.23362@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <SOWA.93Jan22102901@amdew.llnl.gov> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:06:02 GMT Erik C. Sowa writes > One person's opinion: I hate packages for freeware/shareware. I > end up looking inside the .pkg directory and unpacking the .tar.Z > directly with Opener.app. I like to see what's inside before I > install. The idea of a new user simply double-clicking to install > a .pkg obtained from the net is a little scary to me. I do some > risky things along those lines, but at least I'm aware of the > potential consequences. Uhm, howzabout simply double-clicking on the package and hitting "List"? What's so terribly difficult about that? Besides, packages let you have files go into different spots, and allow for their easy removal. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (gzip + more GB) Message-ID: <1993Jan23.015631.20720@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1jpr2lINNmfl@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 01:56:31 GMT The gzip idea sounds like a cleaner solution than introducing an entire new application like Squash. I have no problem contributing $20 for a new public domain drive, but should I contribute to all public domain sites (eg: sonata, cs, nova)? Or are we really talking about "retiring" the other sites to "backup status" and making sonata the "official" Next archive. From my point of view it WOULD be nice to know that all Next public domain stuff exists in at least one "official" place. The other sites could be "backups" of important or frequently used items I guess. Assuming the answer to the above is yes, I suggest someone volunteer to keep a list of people willing to send in money to sonata (say $20). When the total reaches $2000, everyone is asked to send in their checks ASAP. (Waiting like that prevents people from sending their money to a doomed enterprise.) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Colello Carnegie Institution, Department of Plant Biology Stanford University gcolello@biosphere.stanford.edu (NeXT mail OK)
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: Printing Postscript files 2 to a page Message-ID: <HARDY.93Jan22214900@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: garity@MATH.ORST.EDU's message of 22 Jan 93 17:12:56 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA References: <1jp9upINNn5c@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: 23 Jan 93 05:48:53 GMT 1. psnup is available on the NeXT too. 2. A better program is quarto (found on the archives), which allows you to print 2, 4, 8, ... pages to a page. I often do: dvips -f <file> | quarto -2b | lpr to get 2-to-a-page TeX output. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Subject: NeXTSTEP 486 Specifications Message-ID: <1993Jan23.040054.10766@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:00:54 GMT There have been a lot of questions regarding hardware specs for NeXTSTEP 486. Here is a paraphrased summary of what is basically needed to run NeXTSTEP 486. These specifications are preliminary, and will most likely change as additional hardware is supported. For specific configurations, consult the NeXTSTEP 486 hardware compatibility guide, or contact NeXT. CPU - 486SX, 486DX, 486 DX/2. Future 80x86 chips will be supported. Need an ISA or EISA expansion bus. 486DX and 486DX/2 are reccommended processors. Hard Drive Minimum - 120MB user environment, 330MB developer environment Graphics - Both Greyscale (2bit) and color (16bit) will be supported. For 2 bit color (4 shades of grey) most VESA or SVGA cards will do. Popular SVGA cards from vendors like Orchid, ATI, Paradise, Video Seven and Compaq will work. Supported resolutions: 1024*768, 800*600, 640*480. The RAM requirements for 2bit systems is 8MB minimum, 12MB recommended. 16bit color systems - High quality graphics adapters needed. Like Intel JAWS (such as Dell's Processor Direct Graphics), Chips and Technologies Wingine, and certain Local Bus Graphics adapters. Depending on size of available VRAM (video RAM) resolutoins of 800*600, 1024*768, 1120*832, 1280*1024 will be supported. RAM requirements for 16 bit color are 16 MB minimum, 24MB recommended. Both IDE and SCSI interfaces will be supported. Microsoft and Logitec compatible bus, PS/2 port and Serial mice are supported. Certain graphics tablets will be supported. Postscript level I and II printers will be suupported, connected through either the serial or parallel port. Non postscript printers will be supported in a future release. ISA and EISA based networking adaptors will be supported including Ethernet and Token ring cards from vendors such as SMC, intel, and 3Com. A networking card is optional. Sound Support - Sound Blaster or Pro Audio Spectrum cards are optional. ISDN support - supported through ISA add on cards. FAX modems and fax modem cards will be supported Eric Hermanson NeXT Campus Consultant at MIT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <C1ArLs.A1C@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> <1993Jan22.081439.24884@btree.uucp> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:01:03 GMT In article <1993Jan22.081439.24884@btree.uucp> bly@btree.uucp (Roger Bly) writes: [ ] > >Really looks like Steve is going to have to dump the hardware business >to keep NeXT and NeXTStep going. With deals in the works with Compaq, >HP, etc. It looks like NeXT will be a software company by the end of the year. >But of course, software is where all the value/money is! In my opinon dropping out of the hardware business would be a terrible mistake and a very real setback in computing to those who don't only care about speed. [ ] Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: spurious DMA interrupt: Message-ID: <1993Jan23.080914.8743@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Dolphin Software References: <1jpjnfINN8ne@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:09:14 GMT In article <1jpjnfINN8ne@tamsun.tamu.edu> writes: > I've been getting these on my console log lately...Any ideas? > > spurious DMA interrupt: channel 0x2000110 > spurious DMA interrupt: channel 0x2000110 > spurious DMA interrupt: state 0x1000000 channel 0x2000110 > > Thanks, > > Tom Swanner III > bizarre@clients-r-us.tamu.edu Might be a modemor something on the serial port. I noticed this too, so I unplugged my modem from serial port A and it went away. Seemed harmless. COUld be a coincidence, though - just guessing ... -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
From: dlisoski@bluff.galcit.caltech.edu (Derek L. Lisoski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Expansion dictionary - How? Date: 23 Jan 1993 09:40:49 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: na Message-ID: <1jr3r1INN16h@gap.caltech.edu> I am having trouble getting entries in Edit's expansion dictionary to expand...although they do show up ok, both in the Edit <command>-E window and in the ~/.editdict file. Then I am just supposed to type the abbreviation and <Esc> or what? If I do that it just beeps at me.... Thanks for any info derek dlisoski@cco.caltech.edu
From: pkron@corona.wa.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Newsgrazer Message-ID: <16.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:41:40 PDT References: <C191C9.IKK@gate.demon.co.uk> Organization: Corona Design, Inc. There certainly is! I get about 100 message/day in c.s.n.* (including yours). (No comment on the quality, though!) --------------- Peter Kron Corona Design, Inc. Peter_Kron@corona.wa.com
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Printing Postscript files 2 to a page Keywords: Postscript, psnup Message-ID: <63650@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 23 Jan 93 17:01:34 GMT References: <1jp9upINNn5c@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1jp9upINNn5c@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> garity@MATH.ORST.EDU (Dennis Garity) writes: > On the Sun part of our system, we have a command, psnup, > which takes a postscript file consisting of many pages > and prints it 2, 4, or 8 pages to one page. psnup comes with NeXT computers along with pslpr, pscat, enscript and other ps utilities. they have man pages and they seem to work. there is also a nice utility on the archives named quarto for this sort of thing. I agree it would be nice if Preview would let you change the layout this way. -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (Ie, *BUY*ing more) Message-ID: <1993Jan23.171501.10880@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993Jan22.143123.5500@lkba.uucp> <#+l3t8@rpi.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 17:15:01 GMT In article <#+l3t8@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: >While there are ways to squeeze more files into the standard NeXT-specific >FTP sites, I also like the idea of just buying some more room. The other >methods would also be very welcome, but I don't believe it's fair to expect >everyone (the archive maintainers in particular) to spend increasing amounts >of time and energy trying to stuff more things into the same amount of >space. >I'd be willing to send some money to both the purdue gang and the >cs.orst.edu gang to get some more real live disk space. If enough people >sent something like $10-$20 (to each archive), they should be able to get >some extra disk space to alleviate the crunch. Let's put it in motion. On Monday, I will call Purdue and Oregon State computing centers and find out if they are amenable to this solution. In the meantime, send me email (please, just email, not postings) if you would contribute. Do *not* send money yet! Just tell me how much you would be willing to contribute. If you are a developer who has or intends to have demos on these two servers, please indicate your product names as well. I'm not sure it needs to be said, but don't say you'll contribute unless you really will. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) Subject: Re: Business Week article Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Jan23.181243.68071@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:12:43 GMT References: <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 In article <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes: > Anyone read the Business Week article about NeXT yet? Looks grim. I read it and thought that it was fundamentally upbeat. It praised NeXTSTEP pretty highly. It repeated the tantalizing HP rumor. (When are we going to hear something definite about that????) It mentioned the 4th quarter operating profit. The company is undergoing major changes, and it is natural for people to leave when this happens, either because they are asked to leave or because they resent the changes in their working environment. The new president obviously has a lot to do with this, and I would guess that Canon brought him in to do just what he is doing. The personnel changes don't worry me, and neither does the new emphasis on software. I do hope that hardware is not droppped altogether though, because spray painting HP boxes black is going to be a pain in the ass.
From: me@romana.css.itd.umich.edu (My Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Command features Date: 23 Jan 1993 18:29:22 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <1js2q2INN3ra@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <63596@mimsy.umd.edu> In article <63596@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: > In article <2182@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> t68@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Jos Vermaseren) writes: > > Command-<up> and command-<down> will cycle through the window list. > > unfortunately, this is an almost useless feature because you still have to take > your hands off the keyboard to click the mouse to select the new key window. > so what good is a KEYBOARD shortcut that requires you to use the mouse for most > practical purposes?? > > Stuart's alt-arrow key combinations are much more useful to me, because they > change the key window also. unfortunately that doesnt effect non Stuart windows. > > -- > --------------------------------------------------- > Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted Well, I admit the keyboard shortcut is generally stupid, but it is very useful if you want to see what is in another window (like something in Webster's) and then you want to snap back to what you were doing before. Still, using the mouse is annoying.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Drive drive Message-ID: <1993Jan23.194204.15246@macc.wisc.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:42:04 GMT Note_1: Followups directed to comp.sys.next.misc, to keep subsequent discussion in one place. Sorry for the massive cross-posting, wanted to reach the maximum readership. Note_2: An earlier posting about this already appeared in comp.sys.next.misc. This is a restatement and expansion of that. Background: Several people have suggested solving the archive server space crunch by asking users to kick in money to purchase additional drives for sonata and orst. I've volunteered to collect pledges and to contact Purdue and Oregon State to see what they think of the idea. I'll do that at the beginning of next week. Five people pledged money in the first hour, six counting me. The amounts so far are like $10-$20 for each server site. Respondents so far think it's a cool idea and are making other useful suggestions too. I'll also be contacting vendors to see if they can make us a special deal, if things develop to the point when it looks like it might work. I'm not collecting money (not yet, anyway), so don't send any. If you're interested in this, just send me email (rather than posting, I might miss it) with the amount of your pledge. If you're a developer who has or intends to have your software on these servers, please indicate your product names as well. Although this seems to be an idea whose time has come, please be aware that the universities involved might not be as enthusiastic about it as we are. There are always bureaucracies, policy implications, and hidden costs to be involved in such enterprises, as well I know, having worked at universities for 40 years. But don't let those things stop you from offering. One thing: please don't make a pledge unless you mean it. In the interest of not getting myself overloaded, I will send you a simple ACK to say I got your message. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: gt2186a@prism.gatech.EDU (COBIA,FRANK NAYLOR) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <81467@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 23 Jan 93 21:01:32 GMT References: <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> <1993Jan22.081439.24884@btree.uucp> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology In article <1993Jan22.081439.24884@btree.uucp> bly@btree.uucp (Roger Bly) writes: >In article <MS-C.727314477.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes: >>Anyone read the Business Week article about NeXT yet? Looks grim. > >Really looks like Steve is going to have to dump the hardware business >to keep NeXT and NeXTStep going. With deals in the works with Compaq, >HP, etc. It looks like NeXT will be a software company by the end of the year. >But of course, software is where all the value/money is! I don't understand why everyone wants NeXT to drop hardware. NeXT turned a profit. As long as they can sell the hardware at a profit why drop it? Several people have suggested that the software ports will take all of their resources but there are two problems with that argument. 1) If the software ports are going to create so much revenue for NeXT then they can just hire more programmers. After all they will have all the new found money right? 2) If they abandon a profitable hardware line then what will they use to finance all the programmers working on software? If they drop the hadware then they will just have that much less revenue. Am I missing something or do you just hate NeXT hardware? Frank -- COBIA,FRANK NAYLOR Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt2186a Internet: gt2186a@prism.gatech.edu
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <7461@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 23 Jan 93 17:51:57 GMT References: <1993Jan20.043133.12991@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <1993Jan20.222852.125885@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, UCSB I have given up attempting to submit the Gnu gcc 2.3.3 compiler to sonata. There just isnt enough room, even now that the old gcc version seems to have been removed. Do any of the other major submission sites have significantly more room (at least 5 Mb left)? -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan23.224301.25461@athena.mit.edu> Keywords: Sun, Display PostScript Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:43:01 GMT In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: >SunSoft is announcing their intention to use Display PostScript >today at the X Conference in Boston. Once again NeXT leads the way! > >Quoting Sun: > > > >SUNSOFT'S WINDOWS DIRECTIONS > >SunSoft recently entered into an agreement with Adobe >Systems to license the Display PostScript System (DPS) >for Solaris. This message is intended to clarify >SunSoft's OpenWindows directions in light of our >partnership with Adobe and our commitment to MIT's X >Window System. > >Q. Is DPS a standard? > >A. Though DPS is not a sanctioned standard, it is fast >becoming a de facto UNIX standard. All major Unix platform >vendors (SGI, IBM, DEC, NCD, etc.), except Hewlett-Packard, support DPS. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What about NeXT?? Sun intentionally did not mention NeXT, even though they were the leaders of the DPS bandwagon. Boy are they ever feeling the heat! >-- >Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Article in Info'PC Feb 93 -- 20 pages about NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Jan21.111517.26718@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:15:17 GMT Hi Netters, This post is in fact destined for french people, because this article is written in a french magazine. InfoPC is speaking this month about NeXTSTEP, NeXTSTEP486. About 20 pages and most of the articles are written by people who explain very well the features, power, flexibility of OOP, Objective-C, IB, PB, DBKit and so on. This is uncommon enough to be illuminate. French Netters, have a look to this issue. InfoPc is currently Dos-Windoze oriented, belongs to IDG group. Congratulations to Edmund Ronald, who posted here several times, and who wrote an excellent overview of the Programming Tools. --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: garylang@netcom.com (Gary Lang) Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan23.235425.473@netcom.com> Keywords: Sun, Display PostScript Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jan23.224301.25461@athena.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:54:25 GMT In article <1993Jan23.224301.25461@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: >>SunSoft is announcing their intention to use Display PostScript >>today at the X Conference in Boston. Once again NeXT leads the way! >> >>Quoting Sun: >> >> >> >>SUNSOFT'S WINDOWS DIRECTIONS >> >>SunSoft recently entered into an agreement with Adobe >>Systems to license the Display PostScript System (DPS) >>for Solaris. This message is intended to clarify >>SunSoft's OpenWindows directions in light of our >>partnership with Adobe and our commitment to MIT's X >>Window System. >> > >>Q. Is DPS a standard? >> >>A. Though DPS is not a sanctioned standard, it is fast >>becoming a de facto UNIX standard. All major Unix platform >>vendors (SGI, IBM, DEC, NCD, etc.), except Hewlett-Packard, support DPS. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >What about NeXT?? Sun intentionally did not mention NeXT, even though they >were the leaders of the DPS bandwagon. Boy are they ever feeling the heat! > > >>-- >>Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu > >Eric > > Well, they were talking about major UNIX vendors and not technical leaders. Since this is based on market share, they were probably right to leave NeXT off the list. If they were talking about technical leaders, then they wouldn't have anything to write about because neither Sun nor most of the companies on that list have done anything to make UNIX as useful as it is on the NeXT. As Glenn Reid likes to say, just my opinion, and your mileage may vary. -g
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <MS-C.727834996.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> Date: 23 Jan 93 08:23:16 GMT Article-I.D.: Ikkoku-K.MS-C.727834996.1103527590.mrc Organization: University of Washington To: gt2186a@prism.gatech.EDU In-Reply-To: <81467@hydra.gatech.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Frank Cobia writes: > Am I missing something or do you just hate NeXT hardware? Actually, speaking as someone who felt that NeXT should decide whether to be a hardware or a software company, I wish that NeXT had decided to go the hardware route. NeXT hardware was nice, if rather conservative, back in 1988. Unfortunately, they got all gung-ho on their one-of-a-kind proprietary software and ignored the necessary to evolve the hardware. Neither the slab nor the color offerings were terribly exciting; the best thing about that was the bargain basement 8/105 machine (which you could make into a real computer quite cheaply with third-party add-ons). Of course, I speak from the point of view of someone whose commercial software purchases for the NeXT have been: co-Xist, SLIP, SoftPC, and Executor -- all packages aimed at getting the NeXT to play ball with the other machines in the Panda computer zoo. People who actually care about NeXTSTEP may feel differently.
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Message-ID: <MS-C.727835591.377401575.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> Date: 23 Jan 93 08:33:11 GMT Article-I.D.: Ikkoku-K.MS-C.727835591.377401575.mrc Organization: University of Washington In-Reply-To: <1993Jan23.235425.473@netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It should be noted that NeXT has yet to make the Datamation Top 100 list, even though Commodore and Atari are both on the list. This should give you a feel for how small a player NeXT really is in the overall market.
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan24.000943.9363@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 24 Jan 93 00:09:43 GMT References: <1993Jan23.235425.473@netcom.com> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. garylang@netcom.com (Gary Lang) writes: : In article <1993Jan23.224301.25461@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: : >In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: : >>SunSoft is announcing their intention to use Display PostScript : >>today at the X Conference in Boston. Once again NeXT leads the way! : >> : >>Quoting Sun: : >> : >> : >> : >>SUNSOFT'S WINDOWS DIRECTIONS : >> : >>SunSoft recently entered into an agreement with Adobe : >>Systems to license the Display PostScript System (DPS) : >>for Solaris. This message is intended to clarify : >>SunSoft's OpenWindows directions in light of our : >>partnership with Adobe and our commitment to MIT's X : >>Window System. : >> : > : >>Q. Is DPS a standard? : >> : >>A. Though DPS is not a sanctioned standard, it is fast : >>becoming a de facto UNIX standard. All major Unix platform : >>vendors (SGI, IBM, DEC, NCD, etc.), except Hewlett-Packard, support DPS. : > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > : >What about NeXT?? Sun intentionally did not mention NeXT, even though they : >were the leaders of the DPS bandwagon. Boy are they ever feeling the heat! : > : > : >>-- : >>Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu : > : >Eric : > : > : : Well, they were talking about major UNIX vendors and not : technical leaders. Since this is based on market share, : they were probably right to leave NeXT off the list. If they : were talking about technical leaders, then they wouldn't have : anything to write about because neither Sun nor most of the : companies on that list have done anything to make UNIX : as useful as it is on the NeXT. : : : As Glenn Reid likes to say, just my opinion, and your : mileage may vary. : : -g If I'm not mistaken, didn't NeXT outsell IBM in 1991? (In units sold, not $) I seem to remember something around the end of 1991. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Information Studies Anderson Financial Systems "Programmer-in-Exile" :) hendryjw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (No NEXTMail :( ) <set loose the marmosets!>
From: cmaeda+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Maeda) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (Yo, NeXT, please read this) Message-ID: <C1C7CM.641.1@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 24 Jan 93 02:38:37 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.C1C7CM.641.1 References: <1993Jan22.143123.5500@lkba.uucp> <1jpqkbINNmel@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon In article <1jpqkbINNmel@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca writes: > >Hell, why doesn't everybody who has ever used the site mail in $1.00 or 50 >cents even. That's gotta be enough to buy a couple of gigabytes. And >don't tell me you can't spare a dollar. > >> But how does purdue feel about this? >> > >Who cares - send 'em the money :-) > So if some company was thinking of going into business selling information over the internet (eg via ftp or email), how many of you would be willing to pay? -- Chris Maeda, Grad Student and RetroGrouch <cmaeda@cs.cmu.edu> "A unix signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent of a black velvet clown painting. It's a rectangle of carets surrounding a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (gzip + more GB) Message-ID: <1993Jan23.192403.23924@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1jpr2lINNmfl@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> <1993Jan23.015631.20720@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:24:03 GMT I'm certainly willing to send $20 if I knew it was going to a gig drive for Sonata. Maybe somebody could see if Tecor wants to set up an account that we could send the money to and then when they get the right amount, ship the drive off to (ab? I forget his name...) the adminstrator at Purdue. -- --> Michael B. Johnson --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: ZyXEL vs. Supra Message-ID: <1993Jan24.045023.760@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <C1658w.6wD@dale.cts.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:50:23 GMT In article <C1658w.6wD@dale.cts.com> glippert@dale.cts.com (George Lippert) writes: > Garnet Steen (g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca) wrote: > > I am ready to go with one of these fax modems and I want to hear > > what people's experiences with them are, since I am not familiar with > > either modem. Which do people 'in the know' recommend? Any horror > > stories? > > I am VERY happy with my ZyXel. > [deleted] > and the ROMS my friend told them he had, and they confirmed the problem was > the old ROMS. He received the latest ROMS in the mail, free of charge, the > next day. That's service! > [deleted] I have had similar excellent service. I found a bug in that the Zyxel modem interpreted a Distinctive Ring (is that the correct term?) as a busy signal when trying to connect to another fax machine. Zyxel told me they would send me a free ROM upgrade (though I haven't received it yet). -- Doug Kent slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmitri@physics (Dmitri Linde) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (gzip + more GB) References: <1jpr2lINNmfl@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> <1993Jan23.015631.20720@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1993Jan23.192403.23924@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: dmitri@physics.stanford.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:35:42 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan24.163542.18363@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In article <1993Jan23.192403.23924@news.media.mit.edu> wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes: >I'm certainly willing to send $20 if I knew it was going to a gig drive >for Sonata. Maybe somebody could see if Tecor wants to set up an account >that we could send the money to and then when they get the right amount, >ship the drive off to (ab? I forget his name...) the adminstrator at >Purdue. > Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) is already doing this. If you want to contribute to the gig drive send him a message stating the amount. Do no send money yet! Also send the message only if you are really going to contribute. Dmitri Linde dmitri@StarConn.com
From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Keywords: Sun, Display PostScript Message-ID: <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> Date: 24 Jan 93 16:18:49 GMT References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> Sender: news@cs.mcgill.ca (Netnews Administrator) Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: >Q. Is DPS a standard? > >A. Though DPS is not a sanctioned standard, it is fast >becoming a de facto UNIX standard. All major Unix platform >vendors (SGI, IBM, DEC, NCD, etc.), except Hewlett-Packard, >support DPS. I guess NeXT does not use DPS. I guess they didn't pioneer it either. From what I gather it was NeXT's idea in the first place to use PostScript on the display. Everyone else thought that PostScript was too slow for an interactive display. Oh, forgot this was Sun talking... They're almost as bad as Iraqi ambassadors :-). - db
From: bostrov@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU (Vareck Bostrom) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Drive drive Message-ID: <1jukg7INNanr@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 24 Jan 93 01:43:35 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1jukg7INNanr References: <1993Jan23.194204.15246@macc.wisc.edu> Organization: College of Engineering, Oregon State University In article <1993Jan23.194204.15246@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > >Background: Several people have suggested solving the >archive server space crunch by asking users to kick in money >to purchase additional drives for sonata and orst. I've >volunteered to collect pledges and to contact Purdue and >Oregon State to see what they think of the idea. I'll do >that at the beginning of next week. Five people pledged >money in the first hour, six counting me. The amounts so >far are like $10-$20 for each server site. > Humm. One of my support buddies told me a while back that he was busy installing the 1.4 Gig disk that NeXT had donated us because orst was keeping archives. I wonder if the additional space is necessary... but hey, if you want to give us even MORE space... >Although this seems to be an idea whose time has come, >please be aware that the universities involved might not be >as enthusiastic about it as we are. There are always >bureaucracies, policy implications, and hidden costs to be >involved in such enterprises, as well I know, having worked >at universities for 40 years. > Humm, I'm just a student, but one thing that oregon state has never said no too is donations. I just wish we had more NeXTs around here. It's weird going to the school that has a huge NeXT software archive, and as of now our CS department has ONE NeXT (a 68030 with 8MB RAM) - the other one having had it's RAM stolen out of it by some low life. cs.orst.edu is an HP 9000/375. Actually, there are quite a few NeXT's around here - all student owned. Anybody who does programming of and who has used a NeXT seems to like them, but I haven't seen a single CompSci class yet for NeXT programming..not surprising considering the one 68030 NeXT. - Vareck Bostrom bostrov@research.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan24.002306.20388@wam.umd.edu> Keywords: Sun, Display PostScript Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jan23.224301.25461@athena.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:23:06 GMT In article <1993Jan23.224301.25461@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: [article text mostly deleted] >>Q. Is DPS a standard? >> >>A. Though DPS is not a sanctioned standard, it is fast >>becoming a de facto UNIX standard. All major Unix platform >>vendors (SGI, IBM, DEC, NCD, etc.), except Hewlett-Packard, support DPS. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >What about NeXT?? Sun intentionally did not mention NeXT, even though they >were the leaders of the DPS bandwagon. Boy are they ever feeling the heat! No conspiracy, probably. NeXT is not a major UNIX platform vendor in the same league (i.e., machines shipped) as the others named. Data General, NeXT and so on are all covered by "etc." > > >>-- >>Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu > >Eric > > -- Attempts to lessen the burden of proof in rape trials are an assault on our civil liberties. Support equality, not revenge. --- boycott == coercion == censorship == closed mindedness == cowardice --- Pyramid schemes are illegal unless you're the US government.
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Date: 24 Jan 1993 19:34:37 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <1jur0dINNgr2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> Keywords: Sun, Display PostScript In article <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: >In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: >>A. Though DPS is not a sanctioned standard, it is fast >>becoming a de facto UNIX standard. All major Unix platform >>vendors (SGI, IBM, DEC, NCD, etc.), except Hewlett-Packard, >>support DPS. >I guess NeXT does not use DPS. I guess Sun's list of major Unix vendors doesn't include NeXT because Nealy has said that NeXT isn't a "real Unix" vendor (I guess now that Sun is a System V rather than a BSD Unix vendor, all non-System V Unices aren't "real" :-) Or maybe Mach isn't "real Unix." NeXT has probably sold at least as many Unix units (but not $$) as both SGI and IBM. Does NCD sell Unix machines or just X terminals? Not including NeXT in this list is a political decision, I'm sure. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (gzip + more GB) Message-ID: <1993Jan24.205809.3961@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1jpr2lINNmfl@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> <1993Jan23.015631.20720@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1993Jan23.192403.23924@news.media.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:58:09 GMT In article <1993Jan23.192403.23924@news.media.mit.edu> wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes: >I'm certainly willing to send $20 if I knew it was going to a gig drive >for Sonata. Maybe somebody could see if Tecor wants to set up an account >that we could send the money to and then when they get the right amount, >ship the drive off to (ab? I forget his name...) the adminstrator at >Purdue. This may have been posted before my offer to collect pledges from users, contact the administrators of the archives involved, contact drive vendors, etc., and before Michael sent me his pledge. In any case, the project is well underway. Look for an existing article with Subject: Drive drive for details. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Jan24152924@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 24 Jan 93 15:29:24 References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> Organization: Is a sign of weakness In-reply-to: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca's message of 24 Jan 93 16:18:49 GMT In article <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: >I guess NeXT does not use DPS. > >I guess they didn't pioneer it either. From what I gather >it was NeXT's idea in the first place to use PostScript on >the display. Everyone else thought that PostScript was too >slow for an interactive display. Ever heard of NeWS? Which runs on Suns? It's not _Adobe_ PostScript, but it is PostScript nonetheless. Especially when looking over the client library calls, it looks more like DPS than not. For instance, psh, which many NeXT users are familiar with, was apparently one of the first NeWS programs available. The server was multi-threaded, with separate contexts. It had garbage collection. You could connect over the network. It had it's own version of pswrap, cps, which converted .cps files into .c files. Sun has a NeWSPrinter (sp?) which uses NeWS to rasterize and dumb printing engine to do the actual printing. In fact, it even used object-oriented stuff within the server, something the NeXT doesn't do. It also tended to put much more functionality in the server via postscript routines, whereas NeXT puts more emphasis on the client side (these both have advantages and disadvantages, of course). And there are probably more NeWS programs out there than NeXT programs. I use past tense above, because NeWS is apparently at an end. Sun will still support it, but it is being supplanted by DPS. [Disclaimer: I found out most of what I know about NeWS _after_ having worked on the NeXT for a couple years. So, perhaps I was seeing some similarities that weren't really there. But I do think that NeWS was written with the DPS documentation in mind :-).] Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,purdue.next,comp.sys.next.misc,purdue.cc.next From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) Subject: automated fiddling with PostScript file desired Message-ID: <1993Jan24.221041.5815@en.ecn.purdue.edu> Followup-To: poster Summary: funky PostScript file won't print, but will preview. What to do? Keywords: PostScript ghostscript Preview.app Preview pft YAP Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network References: <1993Jan24.194456.22208@en.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 22:10:41 GMT I have a PostScript file that will preview successfully via "/NextApps/Preview.App", but it will not print successfully on the NeXT printers (using either the "Print" option in "Preview.App" or "lpr -Pnext" from the command line) or the printers in room CS 115. However, if I use the "Save" option in "Preview.App" and save to a new filename, that new file *does* print successfully. It's a hack, but a successful one. I would like to automate this workaround so that I can do it without having to sit down at a NeXT workstation, but I don't know if this is possible or how I could do it if it were possible. Any suggestions? Again, what I want to do is to take a funky PostScript file, say, "foo.ps", invoke the "Preview.App" previewer, make "Preview.App" pull in the funky PostScript file, then make "Preview.App" save the file (thus writing it out in the correct format that the NeXT can successfully interpret for printing) as "bar.ps", all from the command line, possibly from a remote login. How? How? How? Two files follow: first, a uuencoded, compressed version of the funky PostScript file (an encapsulated PostScript File generated by Aldus Freehand) that started this whole mess, and second, a perl script that I used to convert the carriage returns in the file to linefeeds so that I could look at the file in vi. Note that simply changing carriage returns to linefeeds did not make the file printable. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! In-Reply-To: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu's message of Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:23:06 GMT To: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jan24134812@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jan23.224301.25461@athena.mit.edu> <1993Jan24.002306.20388@wam.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:48:12 GMT In article <1993Jan24.002306.20388@wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes: In article <1993Jan23.224301.25461@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: [article text mostly deleted] >>Q. Is DPS a standard? >> >>A. Though DPS is not a sanctioned standard, it is fast >>becoming a de facto UNIX standard. All major Unix platform >>vendors (SGI, IBM, DEC, NCD, etc.), except Hewlett-Packard, support DPS. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >What about NeXT?? Sun intentionally did not mention NeXT, even though they >were the leaders of the DPS bandwagon. Boy are they ever feeling the heat! No conspiracy, probably. NeXT is not a major UNIX platform vendor in the same league (i.e., machines shipped) as the others named. Data General, NeXT and so on are all covered by "etc." That is just not so. According to the most recent statistics which I've seen there are three major workstation vendors (Sun, HP and DEC, in that order) which are followed by a pack of minor vendors lead in unit sales by NeXT. Notice that this makes NeXT bigger than three of the four vendors listed. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: HP 550 C printer -- color quality? Message-ID: <1993Jan25.005736.28949@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:57:36 GMT Hi- Has anyone tried to print scanned color photos on a HP 550 C printer? I've never seen such a printout and find the demo setup rather suspicious. The Bookstore here says that they're not allowed to hook up the demo model to a computer to print anything besides the built-in print demo. What you do get with the demo printout is some solid color bar graphs and spots of pure colors. I'm not too impressed by that. What I really would like to see is the result of printing a scanned image of, say, a macaw parrot. Unless their marketing people are just dumb, I suspect that the printer isn't capable of printing more than solid regions of color. On the other hand, I saw the new IBM color printer, and they printed out a nice picture of a watermill in a forest scene. I think they use the same Canon print engine as the NeXT color printer. Comments? -Avery
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Message-ID: <1079@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 25 Jan 93 02:19:37 GMT References: <SCOTT.93Jan24152924@nic.gac.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Scott Hess writes > [Disclaimer: I found out most of what I know about NeWS _after_ having > worked on the NeXT for a couple years. So, perhaps I was seeing some > similarities that weren't really there. But I do think that NeWS was > written with the DPS documentation in mind :-).] NeWS *predated* Display PostScript by a substantial margin, so they were certainly not working from the DPS documentation when they implemented it. The fact that Sun had already implemented NeWS was a major sticking point in their (un)willingness to license DPS. The fact that Sun had lots of bugs in NeWS, coupled with the advent of PostScript Level II, which represented an enormous amount of work on their part to be compatible, might well have contributed to their eventual licensing of DPS. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Drive drive Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 24 Jan 93 20:35:11 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Jan24203511@nic.gac.edu> References: <1993Jan23.194204.15246@macc.wisc.edu> In-reply-to: anderson@macc.wisc.edu's message of Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:42:04 GMT In article <1993Jan23.194204.15246@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >Background: Several people have suggested solving the archive server >space crunch by asking users to kick in money to purchase additional >drives for sonata and orst. I've volunteered to collect pledges >and to contact Purdue and Oregon State to see what they think of >the idea. I'll do that at the beginning of next week. Five people >pledged money in the first hour, six counting me. The amounts so >far are like $10-$20 for each server site. > >Respondents so far think it's a cool idea and are making other >useful suggestions too. I would be willing to toss in a couple bucks. My problem, though, is that I am not certain if I wish to donate money for disk space. It seems to me that the major problem at Purdue is _not_ diskspace, it is management. I've talked to Allen (the student manager) before, and he's a great guy, but I suspect he's been a bit busy, lately. Cleaning up the submissions directory would probably free up a number of meg right off the bat. Furthermore, one poster on the net has put forth the opinion that they think that using a better compression algorithm isn't the way to go, so rather than waste everyone's time, buy more disk space. Well, yes and no. I have no doubt that even if we purchase a gig or two of disk space, it will soon be gone in _any_ case. I have a feeling that most system administrators would back me up on that point! In my experience, zip (or gzip) would reduce the disk needs by up to %40, which is a pretty substantial improvement. Furthermore, compression is free and works even if new disk space is purchased, so investment in a reasonable compression scheme is going to keep paying back in the future. So, in my view it comes down to three things, management, disk space, and compression. Compression is actually contained within management, and so, to a certain extent, is disk space. Just throwing hardware at the problem is not going to solve it. Of these, I think that if we put forth the bucks to help defray management costs, we'll get the best return on our dollar. Later, --- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime! -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.next.misc From: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) Subject: .emacs file; text-mode-hook Message-ID: <FXARS.93Jan24194913@rama2.acf-lab.alaska.edu> Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:49:13 GMT The folowing is in my .emacs file: (setq default-major-mode 'text-mode) (setq text-mode-hook '(lambda () (auto-fill-mode 1) (auto-save-mode 0) ) ) Now when I bring up a file, emacs DOES place me in text-mode, and it DOES turn on auto-fill-mode automatically, but it DOESN'T turn off auto-save-mode. I'm running emacs version 18.52 on the NeXT. === Al Sparks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: SLIPCommander 2.0 submitted to archive sites Message-ID: <1993Jan25.054204.7923@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:42:04 GMT Hi, SLIPCommander 2.0 is now on both sonata.cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu archive sites. Enclosed are extracted from the README file: ============================ Welcome to SLIPCommander2.0! SLIPCommander.app is a NeXTStep Interface to the SLIP commands provided in the TransSys DialUpIP SLIP package by Louis A. Mamakos. Installation of the latest SLIP_v1.pkg version 920904 is highly recommended. SLIPCommander simplifies the SLIP connection/disconnection process as well as retrieving mails from remote sites. A set of very informative panel buttons are used to provide a NeXTStep looks & feels Interface. If you use SLIP connection a lot, you will find SLIPCommander a very sexy companion along with your NeXT. What's in the SLIPCommander? ============================ * Toggle SLIP with connection/disconnection button. * NeXTMails are always just a 'click' away. * Auto-redial within time-out upon a busy phone line . * Monitoring your SLIP connection status. Version 2.0 Improvements ======================== * Yes, SLIPCommander is now 3.0 color and Help ready. * SLIPCommander is more stable and responsive than ever due to a new fine-tuned mechanism of message passing. * A much easier way to customize your personal preference. The root password is no longer needed. A configurable path for finding SLIP commands. * New-Mails notification. (you no longer need to watch the logwindow closely for mail arrival.) * An improved Commander window that controls and displays SLIP activities with a set of colorful icon buttons. * A memory saver, bi-colored logwindow. * Elimination of the $(HOME)/.SlipCommander file. Preference are now store in the Defaults database. -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan24.190616.8512@athena.mit.edu> Keywords: Sun, Display PostScript Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:06:16 GMT In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu>, daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) writes: |> SunSoft is announcing their intention to use Display PostScript |> today at the X Conference in Boston. Once again NeXT leads the way! |> |> Quoting Sun: |> |> |> |> SUNSOFT'S WINDOWS DIRECTIONS |> |> SunSoft recently entered into an agreement with Adobe |> Systems to license the Display PostScript System (DPS) |> for Solaris. This message is intended to clarify |> SunSoft's OpenWindows directions in light of our |> partnership with Adobe and our commitment to MIT's X |> Window System. |> |> Since 1989, Sun has supported MIT's X protocol in its |> OpenWindows product. SunSoft will continue its commitment to |> MIT's X Window system by shipping an OpenWindows product |> based on the MIT source code. The last release of Solaris |> featuring X11/NeWS and TNT will ship in mid 1993. Subsequent |> releases of Solaris will incorporate MIT's X11R5 coupled |> with Adobe Display PostScript Level 2 as well as other |> imaging and geometry libraries. |> ( stuff deleted) |> |> -- |> Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu |> Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher |> College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS |> ---Not an official document of Texas A&M--- Does this mean that we will be able to use a sun as a terminal for NeXTStep... as they both will use DPS as a windowing model or am I just being simple minded? john.
From: Bill.Smith@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BUSINESS WEEK ARTICLE (WHAT A JOKE!) Message-ID: <142077.2B62F9F1@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 23 Jan 93 19:37:00 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/236 - MacCircles, Genesee CO -- Bill Smith - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.Smith@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.next.misc From: LEVITTE@e.kth.se (Richard Levitte) Subject: Re: .emacs file; text-mode-hook In-Reply-To: fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:49:13 GMT Message-ID: <LEVITTE.93Jan25122142@elin.e.kth.se> Sender: usenet@kth.se (Usenet) Organization: Department of TeleTransmission Theory References: <FXARS.93Jan24194913@rama2.acf-lab.alaska.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:21:42 GMT >>>>> On Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:49:13 GMT, fxars@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Allen R Sparks) said: ARS> The folowing is in my .emacs file: ARS> (setq default-major-mode 'text-mode) ARS> ARS> (setq text-mode-hook ARS> '(lambda () ARS> (auto-fill-mode 1) ARS> (auto-save-mode 0) ARS> ) ARS> ) ARS> Now when I bring up a file, emacs DOES place me in text-mode, and it ARS> DOES turn on auto-fill-mode automatically, but it DOESN'T turn off ARS> auto-save-mode. I'm running emacs version 18.52 on the NeXT. From the documentation of auto-save-mode: auto-save-mode: Toggle auto-saving of contents of current buffer. With arg, turn auto-saving on if arg is positive, else off. Now, the question is, does Emacs consider 0 to be a positive number or not. I think it does. I would -1 instead of 0 if I were you. -- !+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++! ! Richard Levitte, VMS GNU Emacs hacker ! tel: int+46-8-18 30 99 ! ! Sulv"agen 57, II ! fax: none for the moment ! ! S-126 40 H"agersten ! Internet: levitte@e.kth.se ! ! SWEDEN ! ! !-----------------------------------------------------------------------------!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Drive drive Message-ID: <1993Jan25.121021.1787@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993Jan23.194204.15246@macc.wisc.edu> <SCOTT.93Jan24203511@nic.gac.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:10:21 GMT In article <SCOTT.93Jan24203511@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: >I would be willing to toss in a couple bucks. That would put you in with 49 others so far. >My problem, though, >is that I am not certain if I wish to donate money for disk space. I suppose we all would rather not, but I'm impressed that people seem to be willing to pony up, too. >It seems to me that the major problem at Purdue is _not_ diskspace, >it is management. I've talked to Allen (the student manager) >before, and he's a great guy, but I suspect he's been a bit busy, >lately. Cleaning up the submissions directory would probably free >up a number of meg right off the bat. When I talk to the various places, I'm intending to discuss management issues. A key factor in all this is in fact the cost of labor. It's entirely possible that the schools will not have funds available to support a gift of hardware. The common perception that such gifts are "free" is simply mistaken. It's also true that labor is quite a lot more costly than the hardware we're talking about: for the cost of my time, we could buy a gig every week! >Furthermore, one poster on the net has put forth the opinion that >they think that using a better compression algorithm isn't the way >to go, so rather than waste everyone's time, buy more disk space. >Well, yes and no. I have no doubt that even if we purchase a gig >or two of disk space, it will soon be gone in _any_ case. I have Of course, there's no such thing as *enough* when it comes to memory, disk space, time, money, or fast living! Not to mention sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll! :-) >a feeling that most system administrators would back me up on that >point! In my experience, zip (or gzip) would reduce the disk needs >by up to %40, which is a pretty substantial improvement. Furthermore, >compression is free and works even if new disk space is purchased, >so investment in a reasonable compression scheme is going to keep >paying back in the future. Unquestionably better compression technologies are a wise investment. They pay back not only for the servers, but for the user community as well, because most of us are anything but swimming in extra disk space. But of course there are practical problems, as with any kind of technology update, not the least of which are plain old human nature (I don' wanna if I don' hafta) and politics (don' tell me what I oughta). There are significant labor costs in this dimension too. F'rinstance, were I to update my MS-DOS archive, which is stored on 800 floppy disks, from ARC to ZIP, I'd be looking at the time it takes to do this on a 12 MHz AT clone, feeding the disks one at a time. I have 300 more disks before I run out, at which time it could be cheaper to toss stuff away, most of it being software I'll probably never need again, and better versions being readily available if I should need them. And this last is one of the major reasons for having an archive server in the first place -- they keep it so we don't have to. Yet another dimension, one I will be looking into, is freeing up space on the servers by discarding things no one really needs or wants. Ticklish, to be sure, but not to be overlooked. Still another is duplication. Geographical factors become less and less an issue as networking technology develops. This brings in turf issues that I will also be discussing with the site management people. >So, in my view it comes down to three things, management, disk >space, and compression. Compression is actually contained within >management, and so, to a certain extent, is disk space. Just >throwing hardware at the problem is not going to solve it. Of >these, I think that if we put forth the bucks to help defray >management costs, we'll get the best return on our dollar. As you see, I agree with all your points but not with your conclusion, Scott. Management costs 50 times as much as disk space. That doesn't mean that the management aspect shouldn't be pursued, of course it should; but it does mean the tradeoffs are more complicated than your model allows for. To conclude, I propose to continue collecting pledges for at least another week. I can report that hardware vendors have contacted me who are willing to help out. I'll know more in a couple days about a lot of the implementation details and snags (there are sure to be some), and will report to y'all then. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wolpert@sonne (Florian Wolpert) Subject: How to have pictures of sender in Mail.app ? Message-ID: <1993Jan25.134547.14281@ppgfr.uucp> Sender: news@ppgfr.uucp Organization: PPG Hellige, Freiburg, GERMANY Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:45:47 GMT Hi Internet, all i want is the picture of the sender appearing on Mail.app. This works well for lokal addresses but any other Mail from "outer space" is delivered without sender-image. How shoud i name the corresponding image in the Peoples-Folder ? i have tried all sorts of things, but without success. So listen, you Internet, and give me a hint ;-) - Flo -- 2i-d&s : wolpert%dandsnx.uucp@germany.eu.net (NeXTmail preferred) Hellige : wolpert%ppgfr.uucp@germany.eu.net uni-fr : wolpert@informatik.uni-freiburg.de snail-mail to 2i Industrial Informatics, Haierweg 20e, D-7800 Freiburg
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From: sechrest@frisby.CS.ORST.EDU (John Sechrest) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <1k1a16INN2cu@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 25 Jan 93 18:03:18 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1k1a16INN2cu References: <1993Jan20.043133.12991@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <1jit6r$gb4@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University In article <1jit6r$gb4@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: >In article <C14r6A.B9K@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: >>Is sonata having problems because of disk space? Please Excuse me for jumping into this discussing late, but I have been working on getting things right on CS.ORST.EDU. We had been very short of space. We were loosing submissions because people just could not put things onto the disk. >Perhaps, NeXT and other companies are willing to donate for more disk >space? Particularly those companies that distribute demos via sonata >that, upon license key activation, become fully functional products. > With some very generous work by our Next Representative (thanks marti) we have been given a large 1.4G disk. That is the good news. We had it up a couple of weeks ago and things looked rosy, until people started saying that things were getting damaged. After looking at the disk, it looks like the disktab is/was a bit sick. This weekend, I rebuild the disktab and reformated the disk and it looks like we have a working Next area with lots of space: /dev/dsk/4s0 1007042 237355 668982 26% /usr/local/ftp/pub/next For the short term. this should hold us is good stead. In the long term, we probably will need more space. We are working on revamping how our computer systems are connected here, so the next archive is likely to move from CS.ORST.EDU to something like ftp.cs.orst.edu... More when we get it finalized. The FTP site at CS.ORST.EDU is managed by volunteers who find time between real work to handle the site. I hope that we have been providing a good service. Any help that you might want to give us would go a long way for us to keep this service running. If you have questions about the CS.ORST.EDU next area send mail to next-ftp@cs.orst.edu and it will get to those of us who are working on the ftp area. If you have problems with anything on the ftp area. Please let me know. Now for a request for some help.... The disk that we got from next is a Seagate 41650N disk. A nice 1.4 G disk. We called seagate and got all the drive specs: the Segate 41650N is a scsi drive. 15ms seek time autoparking 2107 cylinders 15 heads 87 average sectors per track From this we created the disktab: seagate41650:\ :No swap:ns#43:nt#15:nc#2107:\ :s0#1359015:b0#8192:f0#1024:\ :se#1024:rm#3600: This looked like it worked fine, but in fact there were blocks that it could not read. After some playing, I was able to find that somewhere after 1.05G, every 10368 blocks was not readable. Because we had been down for 3 days. I decided to just size the disk smaller than 1.05G. I would rather have the extra 400M back if I can get it. We are currently running with a disktab entry of: seagate41650:\ :No swap:ns#33:nt#15:nc#2107:\ :s0#1042965:b0#8192:f0#1024:\ :se#1024:rm#3600: And it fscks fine. Does anyone know how I might fix this problem? ------- John Sechrest . Internet: sechrest@cs.orst.edu Lab Coordinator . UUCP: hplabs!hp-pcd!orstcs!sechrest Computer Science Dept . Oregon State University . Corvallis,Oregon 97331 . (503) 737-3273 .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wisinski@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Dennis Wisinski) Subject: Re: Expansion dictionary - How? Message-ID: <C1FBG4.18z@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <1jr3r1INN16h@gap.caltech.edu> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:00:03 GMT In article <1jr3r1INN16h@gap.caltech.edu> dlisoski@bluff.galcit.caltech.edu (Derek L. Lisoski) writes: > I am having trouble getting entries in Edit's expansion > dictionary to expand...although they do show up ok, both > in the Edit <command>-E window and in the ~/.editdict > file. Then I am just supposed to type the abbreviation > and <Esc> or what? > If I do that it just beeps at me.... > Thanks for any info > derek > dlisoski@cco.caltech.edu You need to enable "Emacs Key Bindings" in the Global section of Preferences to get the escape key to work. -- Dennis Wisinski, Stanford Linear Accelerator Center P.O. Box 4349, MS 97 Stanford, CA 94309 wisinski@slac.stanford.edu (NeXT Mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: kdbw@Comtech.com (Kevin D. Baranski-Walker) Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan25.190952.6409@Comtech.com> Organization: Comtech Labs Inc, Palo Alto References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> <SCOTT.93Jan24152924@nic.gac.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:09:52 GMT In article <SCOTT.93Jan24152924@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: > >Ever heard of NeWS? Which runs on Suns? It's not _Adobe_ PostScript, >but it is PostScript nonetheless. Especially when looking over the >client library calls, it looks more like DPS than not. For instance, ... I'm somone has a memory that spans beyond the past year :-) NeWS was quite powerful inasmuch as it was first running on the Sun 3/60 circa 1986 at a fairly respectable performance level. >I use past tense above, because NeWS is apparently at an end. Sun >will still support it, but it is being supplanted by DPS. SGI used a variant of NeWS as thier IRIX windowing system up until late 1991, pre IRIX 4.0. I was actually saddened to see it's inevitable demise. (The X community finally got shaped windows in R5, but of coarse NeWS had it intrinsically from day one.) >[Disclaimer: I found out most of what I know about NeWS _after_ having >worked on the NeXT for a couple years. So, perhaps I was seeing some >similarities that weren't really there. But I do think that NeWS was >written with the DPS documentation in mind :-).] > >Later, >-- >scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> >12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime! Better late than never Scott. There are a couple of NeWS books under the Sun titles that are still worth reading. - kevin -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kevin D. Baranski-Walker | "A Millisecond is a Terrible Thing to Waste"| | ComTech Labs, Inc. | Fax: (415) 813-4505 | | Palo Alto, Ca. | InterNet: kevin@Comtech.Com |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heinle@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (Glenn Heinle) Subject: Apple disks Message-ID: <C1FEMx.4uz@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Keywords: Apple, data fork, resource fork Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:08:56 GMT Once an Apple disk (floppyh or CD-ROM) is mounted, is there a way to access the three forks (data, resource, and info)? I believe what you see is the data fork, and I heard there is a way to get to the resource fork. Thanks. Glenn Heinle heinle@cmf.nrl.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: MLESSIN@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Matthew Lessins) Subject: TEAC 3.5" SCSI floppy Message-ID: <16B61DDB9.MLESSIN@cms.cc.wayne.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.wayne.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI U.S.A. Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:46:01 GMT I bought a TEAC 3.5" SCSI floppy drive for my '040 cube. Due to several disasters, I can't find the init program that somebody wrote for it. Does anyone know where it might get another copy of it? Thanks.... Matt Lessins mlessin@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kane@cs.purdue.edu (Christopher Kane) Subject: Re: Drive drive Message-ID: <C1FGu4.EzF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Jan25.121021.1787@macc.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:56:25 GMT In article <1993Jan25.121021.1787@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > In article <SCOTT.93Jan24203511@nic.gac.edu> > scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: > >In my experience, zip (or gzip) would reduce the disk needs > >by up to %40, which is a pretty substantial improvement. Furthermore, > >compression is free and works even if new disk space is purchased, > >so investment in a reasonable compression scheme is going to keep > >paying back in the future. > > Unquestionably better compression technologies are a wise > investment. They pay back not only for the servers, but for > the user community as well, because most of us are anything > but swimming in extra disk space. > > There are significant labor costs in this dimension too. > F'rinstance, were I to update my MS-DOS archive, which is > stored on 800 floppy disks, from ARC to ZIP, I'd be looking > at the time it takes to do this on a 12 MHz AT clone, > feeding the disks one at a time. [...] Another benefit of compression, not mentioned yet, is that it could reap benefits _immediately_. Even if the schools can accept the gift of disk space, it may take quite a while for whatever process needs to be gone through to complete, plus additional time to install/setup the new drive. Also, Jess's example, while I can sympathize with it, having once converted a mere 50 full floppies to a new compression scheme, is perhaps somewhat misleading. Floppies need constant attention to feed them, as he notes, but the hard drive does not. A script could easily be set up to travel through the archive, replacing compressed files with their gzip'd counterparts. An informal test that I ran earlier today indicates that a wholesale conversion of the archives from compress to gzip may immediately generate 80-110 MB of free space on the disk, taking perhaps one CPU-day (a questionable unit of work, I admit). Some of the data: sonata.cc> du 1.0-release ; no compression 26488 1.0-release/source 30004 1.0-release/binaries 4835 1.0-release/demos 61330 1.0-release sonata.cc> du 1.0-release ; compress (current) 9366 1.0-release/source 16388 1.0-release/binaries 2580 1.0-release/demos 28337 1.0-release sonata.cc> du 1.0-release ; gzip -9 6373 1.0-release/source 12069 1.0-release/binaries 1978 1.0-release/demos 20423 1.0-release [I chose the 1.0-release directory as a representative sample of source and binary files. Obviously, some other types of files, tiffs for instance, will compress more or less than any "average" implied here.] Of course, actually getting someone to do this will probably being like getting someone to pull their own tooth... I don't mean to say that people should stop sending pledges to Jess. As noted before, simple re-compression is a solution with a finite lifetime. Christopher Kane kane@sonata.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: littlepg@plato.NOHOST.NODOMAIN (bob littlepage) Subject: Pixel Magician Message-ID: <1993Jan25.222434.6950@gossip.urich.edu> Sender: littlepg@plato (bob littlepage) Organization: University of Richmond Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:24:34 GMT Somehow a demo copy of Pixel Magicican was loaded into our Nextstations and now Pixel Magician comes up as the print previewer on all our Nextstations. How do I remove the link to Pixel Magician so that the original previewer comes up? Thanks, bobel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Drive drive Message-ID: <!#p30+=@rpi.edu> References: <SCOTT.93Jan24203511@nic.gac.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:22:57 GMT scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: > anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > >Background: Several people have suggested solving the archive server > >space crunch by asking users to kick in money to purchase additional > >drives for sonata and orst. I've volunteered to collect pledges > >and to contact Purdue and Oregon State to see what they think of > >the idea. I'll do that at the beginning of next week. Five people > >pledged money in the first hour, six counting me. The amounts so > >far are like $10-$20 for each server site. > > > >Respondents so far think it's a cool idea and are making other > >useful suggestions too. > > I would be willing to toss in a couple bucks. My problem, though, > is that I am not certain if I wish to donate money for disk space. > It seems to me that the major problem at Purdue is _not_ diskspace, > it is management. I've talked to Allen (the student manager) > before, and he's a great guy, but I suspect he's been a bit busy, > lately. Cleaning up the submissions directory would probably free > up a number of meg right off the bat. > > Furthermore, one poster on the net has put forth the opinion that > they think that using a better compression algorithm isn't the way > to go, so rather than waste everyone's time, buy more disk space. > Well, yes and no. I have no doubt that even if we purchase a gig > or two of disk space, it will soon be gone in _any_ case. I agree that getting more disk space is not the ultimate solution. Once an archive site has "a reasonable amount" of disk space, it is more important to manage the disk space it has than to simply throw more on the system. My feeling is that sonata is not at that "reasonable amount". Cs.orst.edu might be now, with the disk they just added to their system. I do feel that the money we come up with should probably be split between those two archive sites, as those are the two largest repositories for NeXT-specific software. I have no doubt that if we purchase a gig or two of disk space, it will soon be gone. I also have no doubt that if maintainers of the archive took the time to clean out & compress everything, the space gained will also be soon gone. (to claim otherwise is to claim that cleaning up and compressing things will free up more than 2 gig. I consider that unlikely). My feeling is that we will better off if both things happen. I suspect that no matter which route we go right now, we'll *have* to have both things happen fairly soon. This will be particularly true once NeXT is shipping NS486 and NS-RISC systems. > I have a feeling that most system administrators would back me up on > that point! In my experience, zip (or gzip) would reduce the disk needs > by up to %40, which is a pretty substantial improvement. Furthermore, > compression is free and works even if new disk space is purchased, > so investment in a reasonable compression scheme is going to keep > paying back in the future. Instead of racing to convert everything over to gzip, and later buying disk space, I (personally) would rather buy the disk space and then slowly ease into superior compression mechanisms. I'm sure that wizards like Scott will have no trouble with whatever compression scheme is used, but we don't know that all NeXT users will be ready for this. I'd rather ease into a change in compression schemes, instead of cutting over in some mad rush to save some (sorely needed) disk space. The ideal solution would be to find out that NeXT included gzip on NS3.1, but I guess that even that wouldn't make the transition painless. Someone who is downloading software for a NS1.0 system (assuming all that is kept around) isn't going to be too happy to find out they have to upgrade to NS3.0 in order to decompress the file they have. Does the new gzip compile on older versions of NeXTSTEP? -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Information on ordering NeXT 3.0 Documentation from Addison-Wesley Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:19:43 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1k202vINNcil@menudo.uh.edu> Can anyone provide me with ordering information for the NeXT 3.0 documentation (I know it was posted a while back, but we didn't need it then!). We need information (Title, ISBM, etc) on all the new 3.0 documentation and pricing for a complete set and on the individual manuals (and if there is an educational discount) if possible. We might be interested in purchasing multiple sets of this documentation. -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmitri@physics (Dmitri Linde) Subject: Re: NeXT ModPlayers Keywords: mod MOD players soundtrakker References: <1993Jan25.231007.20595@sfu.ca> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:37:22 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan26.003722.5004@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In article <1993Jan25.231007.20595@sfu.ca> krutten@shnext29.ucslabs.sfu.ca (TimeHunter) writes: > >Can anyone Email me the name and ftp location for a Mod player >(soundtrakker, noisetrakker) for the NeXT? sonata.cc.purdue.edu pub/next/submissions/ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.squfile you will need UnSquashOnly to uncompress this file. You can get it on the same site as pub/next/2.0/bin/UnSquashOnly.Z After you get UnSquashOnly uncompress it and chmod +x UnSquashOnly If you do not want to bother with UnSquashOnly then get pub/next/submissions/ModPlayer_V2.4.tar which is an older version, but works just as well. Also get pub/next/submissions/Mods-Volume1.tar.Z which is a good collection of .mod files. More .mod files in wuarchive.wustl.edu (probably in amiga section) Most .mod files there could be uncompressed using Opener.app on sonata.cc.purdue.edu. Have fun! Dmitri Linde dmitri@physics.stanford.edu
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <SOWA.93Jan25161312@amdew.llnl.gov> Date: 25 Jan 93 23:13:12 GMT References: <SOWA.93Jan22102901@amdew.llnl.gov> <1jpr2lINNmfl@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Sender: usenet@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science In-reply-to: paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca's message of 22 Jan 93 22:05:09 GMT >>>>> "Toby" == Toby Paterson <paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca> writes: Toby> That's not the way it works. When you double click on the package, it Toby> opens up in Installer. One of the options available there is to list the Toby> contents of the package. Listing the files' names is useful but names are not the only thing one might wish to examine before installing. -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: krutten@shnext29.ucslabs.sfu.ca (TimeHunter) Subject: NeXT ModPlayers Message-ID: <1993Jan25.231007.20595@sfu.ca> Keywords: mod MOD players soundtrakker Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:10:07 GMT Can anyone Email me the name and ftp location for a Mod player (soundtrakker, noisetrakker) for the NeXT? Thanx in advance. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------///-- InterNet: krutten@sfu.ca | Running X on a 8 meg NeXT /// The opinions expressed | is a pain, but ever tried to \\\/// above are entirely my own | run it on a C64? \XX/ -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <m+p33na@rpi.edu> References: <SOWA.93Jan25161312@amdew.llnl.gov> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:55:27 GMT sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) writes: > Toby Paterson <paterson@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca> writes: > Toby> That's not the way it works. When you double click on the > Toby> package, it opens up in Installer. One of the options > Toby> available there is to list the contents of the package. > > Listing the files' names is useful but names are not the only > thing one might wish to examine before installing. What else would you want to see? Does the Preference setting (in the installer) of: When listing a package, show: ( ) File names only (x) File names and other information Give you want you want? (I'm not being argumentative here, I just wondered if you knew about that preference, and if that preference gives you the kind of added information that you'd be interested in seeing). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CALL FOR PARTICIPATION - OOPSLA '93 (Sept. 26 - Oct. 1, 1993) Message-ID: <6363@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 26 Jan 93 00:39:34 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer OOPSLA '93 Conference on Object-Oriented Programming Systems, Languages and Applications 26 September - 1 October 1993 Washington D.C., U.S.A. ===================================================================== CALL FOR PARTICIPATION/CALL FOR PARTICIPATION/CALL FOR PARTICIPATION ===================================================================== The annual OOPSLA conference is the premier forum bringing together researchers, developers, practitioners and users to share ideas and experiences related to object technology. As a fully-refereed technical conference, OOPSLA is considered the conference of record for those interested in object technology. Long-standing topics of interest include but are not limited to: * language design and implementation * tools and environments * components and frameworks * principles and theory * concurrent and distributed systems * methods and processes * databases and persistence. In addition, OOPSLA '93 is soliciting contributions in five target special interest areas: * simulation * graphics * Ada * governmental use and support of object technology * teaching object technology ======================================= IMPORTANT DATES 22 February 1993 Papers due 18 March 1993 Experience reports due Tutorial proposals due Workshop proposals due Panel proposals due Poster proposals due Demonstration proposals due Educators' Symposium proposals due 12 May 1993 Contributors notified of acceptance 20 June 1993 Camera-ready papers due Camera-ready panel position papers due Poster write-ups due 9 July 1993 Camera-ready tutorial notes due ======================================= CONFERENCE COMMITTEE CONFERENCE CHAIRS Timlynn Babitsky, JFS Consulting Jim Salmons, JFS Consulting PROGRAM CHAIR Ralph Johnson, University of Illinois at Urbana Champagne OPERATIONS Kent Beck, First Class Software TREASURER Vicki Hanson, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center ACM ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF SIG SERVICES Donna Baglio, ACM AUDIO-VISUAL Steve Bilow, Tektronix DEMONSTRATIONS Bjorn Freeman-Benson, University of Victoria EDUCATION James Heliotis, Rochester Institute of Technology Linda M. Northrop, Carnegie Mellon University EXHIBITS Mike Taylor, Digitalk Professional Services EXPERIENCE REPORTS Rebecca Wirfs-Brock, Digitalk Professional Services PANELS Sam Adams, Knowledge Systems Corporation POSTERS Mark Whiting, Battelle Northwest Laboratory PROCEEDINGS Andreas Paepcke, Hewlett Packard Labs PROCEEDINGS ADDENDUM Jerry Archibald, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center Mark Wilkes, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center PUBLICATIONS Rick DeNatale, IBM PUBLICITY Cathy Caplener, Borland International Susan Nicolls, Borland International STUDENT VOLUNTEERS John Shilling, Georgia Institute of Technology TUTORIALS John McGregor, Clemson University WORKSHOPS Mamdouh Ibrahim, Electronic Data Systems ======================================= PROGRAM COMMITTEE Ralph Johnson, U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (Chair) Bruce Anderson, U. of Essex Pierre America, Philips Research Don Batory, U. Texas at Austin Henry Baker, Nimble Computer Grady Booch, Rational Alan Borning, U. of Washington William Cook, Apple James Coplien, AT&T Bell Labs Raymund Ege, Florida International U. Steve Feiner, Columbia U. Paul Fishwick, U. of Florida Richard Gabriel, Lucid Adele Goldberg, ParcPlace Gary Leavens, Iowa State Steven Litvintchouk, MITRE Satoshi Matsuoka, U. of Tokyo Oscar Nierstratz, U. of Geneva Patrick O'Brien, Object Design David Salesin, U. of Washington John Shilling, Georgia Inst. Tech. Dave Thomas, OTI Dave Ungar, Sun Labs Rebecca Wirfs-Brock, Digitalk ======================================= OOPSLA '93 Direct all correspondence to the appropriate committee members. General correspondence on OOPSLA '93 may be sent to: Jim Salmons and Timlynn Babitsky OOPSLA '93 Conference Chairs P.O. Box 1748 Lexington SC 29071 Phone: +1-803-957-5779 Fax: +1-803-957-0648 Email: oopsla93@cs.clemson.edu Operations questions should be directed to: Kent Beck OOPSLA '93 Operations Chair First Class Software 14525 Big Basin Highway P.O. Box 226 Boulder Creek, CA 95006-0226 Phone: +1-408-338-4649 Fax: +1-408-338-3666 Email: 70761.1216@compuserve.com ======================================= TOPICS OF INTEREST In its eighth year of advancing the state of the art in object technology, OOPSLA topics of interest include but are not limited to the following: --------------------------------------- LANGUAGE DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION Programming languages and specific language constructs, visual programming languages, integration with other programming models, compilation techniques, implementation techniques, storage management, performance analysis, architectural support, embedded systems --------------------------------------- TOOLS AND ENVIRONMENTS Programming environments, software development tools, application-specific development environments, debugging tools, measurement tools --------------------------------------- COMPONENTS AND FRAMEWORKS Evaluations of reusable components, toolkits, application frameworks, user interface management systems, architectural principles for reusable components, event-driven architectures, constraints --------------------------------------- PRINCIPLES AND THEORY Conceptual and semantic models, type systems and type inference, inheritance, delegation, reflection --------------------------------------- CONCURRENT AND DISTRIBUTED SYSTEMS Models and languages to support concurrent and distributed processing, transaction models, distributed object architectures, open systems, operating systems development and debugging tools, heterogeneous systems, security --------------------------------------- METHODS AND PROCESSES Development methods, measurements of impact on productivity,reuse or quality, specification techniques, prototyping techniques, debugging and testing issues, management issues, teaching, technology adoption, metrics, software evolution --------------------------------------- DATABASES AND PERSISTENCE Data models, database-programming language interfaces, persistent programming languages, implementation techniques, object servers, performance analysis ======================================= THIS YEAR'S SPECIAL INTEREST TOPICS As the technology matures, special interest communities emerge as practical and research applications prove and challenge the use of object technology. In addition to OOPSLA's long-standing interest in the above topics of interest, conference organizers have targeted the following areas in which we are especially interested in contributions: --------------------------------------- SIMULATION The application of object technology to simulation systems, especially graphically-intensive and real-time systems, including but not limited to virtual reality,interactive simulators(such as flight or business training) and decision support systems Raimund Ege Simulation SIT Chair School of Computer Science Florida International University University Park Miami, FL 33199 Phone: +1-305-348-3381 Fax: +1-305-348-3549 E-mail: ege@scs.fiu.edu --------------------------------------- GRAPHICS Language and tool support for use of object technology in real-time and other computation-intensive graphic applications with emphasis on but not limited to modeling, computation techniques and graphic object reuse Alan Borning OOPSLA '93 Graphics SIT Chair Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering, FR-35 University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195 Phone: +1-206-543-6678 Fax: +1-206-543-2969 E-mail: borning@cs.washington.edu --------------------------------------- ADA Language facilities, design methodologies and development tools which capitalize on or strengthen the object-oriented features of Ada OOPSLA '93 Ada SIT Chair (to be announced) Contact Program Chair for additional information --------------------------------------- OBJECT TECHNOLOGY AND GOVERNMENT In recognition of our convening the conference in Washington, D.C., special attention will be paid to contributions that focus on the interests, experiences, research and concerns surrounding the use and support of object technology in government.The Special Interest Topic Chairs are soliciting papers, panels, workshops, experience reports, demonstrations and invited talks that reflect diverse multinational, federal and local government applications and issues in object technology. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, experience and lessons learned" in introducing object technology into government information systems; standards, ownership and reuse issues related to object technology and government funded development; personnel management and contracting dynamics which impact the attractiveness of using high productivity technology;integrating object technology and legacy systems; real and perceived roadblocks to businesses involved in developing for and delivering object technology to government. Angela Jo Coppola Object Technology and Government SIT Co-Chair Central Intelligence Agency Washington, D.C. 20505 Phone: +1-703-874-2401 Fax: +1-703-874-3076 E-mail: 71242.1437@compuserve.com William A. Ruh Object Technology and Government SIT Co-Chair Workstation Systems Engineering Center The MITRE Corporation 7525 Colshire Drive McClean, VA 22102 Phone: +1- 703-883-6529 Fax: +1-703-883-3315 E-mail: war@ciis.mitre.org --------------------------------------- THE SECOND EDUCATORS' SYMPOSIUM OOPSLA will again offer a special, one-day symposium-style program designed specifically for computer science educators who want to start or who want to share their experiences incorporating object technology into their courses and curricula. The Symposium will feature presentations, panels, invited talks and demonstrations. Proposals for "experience, lessons learned" presentations are solicited from educators. Topic areas include the introduction of OOPS as a student's 1st programming experience as well as teaching OOPS concepts in general, to more experienced students. Mail three copies of an extended abstract (3-6 pages)to be received no later than 18 March 1993. Facsimile and electronic submissions will NOT be accepted.Proposers will be notified of acceptance by 12 May 1993. A separate cover sheet must contain the name,affiliation, address, phone number and electronic mail address of the author or contact person. For more details please contact the Co-chairs. Please mail submissions to James Heliotis. James Heliotis OOPSLA '93 Educators' Symposium Co-chair Dept. of Computer Science Rochester Institute of Technology Rochester, NY 14623-0887 Phone: +1-716-475-6133 Fax: +1-716-475-7100 Email: jeh@cs.rit.edu Linda M. Northrop OOPSLA '93 Educators' Symposium Co-chair Software Engineering Institute Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 Phone: +1-412-268-7638 Fax: +1-412-268-5758 Email: lmn@sei.cmu.edu We are especially interested in contributions in these focus areas. All contributions are made to and refereed under the regular OOPSLA Program Committee process or are selections made by the appropriate Conference Committee chairs. To facilitate the contribution and evaluation of submissions within these target interest topics, Special Interest Topic chairs have been added to the OOPSLA Program Committee. The Advance Program and Final Program will clearly identify the Special Interest Topics tracks to help attendees make scheduling decisions. ======================================= THE TECHNICAL PROGRAM A wide range of formats are available for your participation in the OOPSLA technical program: --------------------------------------- PAPERS The conference includes both invited and contributed papers.Authors are encouraged to submit high quality papers describing relevant research or experience. Research papers should describe work whose purpose is to advance the state of the art of object technology. Experience papers should describe the application of object-oriented methods. The program committee will evaluate each paper on its relevance, clarity, correctness, originality and significance. Special consideration will be given to promising experience papers. The conference includes both invited and contributed papers. Authors are encouraged to submit high quality papers describing relevant research or experience. Research papers should describe work whose purpose is to advance the state of the art of object technology. Experience papers should describe the practical application of object-oriented methods. The program committee will evaluate each paper on its relevance, clarity, correctness, originality and significance. Authors should send six copies of the full paper, in English, to the program chair to be received no later than 22 February 1993. Papers must be limited to 18 pages, typed double spaced. Each copy must contain contact information (contact name, postal address, and phone number), a 100-word abstract, and indicate the paper category (research or experience). Authors will be notified of acceptance or rejection by 12 May 1993. Camera-ready copy of accepted papers are due 20 June 1993.Authors of accepted papers are expected to sign an ACM copyright release form and present the paper at the conference. Proceedings will be distributed at the conference and via SIGPLAN Notices and will be available from ACM Press. Outstanding papers may be considered for a special issue of a journal. Guidelines for authors can be obtained from the program chair or through the OOPSLA Internet Hotline. Send submissions to: Ralph Johnson OOPSLA '93 Program Chair University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Dept. of Computer Science 1304 W. Sp[ringfield Avenue Urbana, IL 61801 Phone: +1-217-244-0093 Fax: +1-217-333-3501 Email: johnson@cs.uiuc.edu --------------------------------------- TUTORIALS OOPSLA is well-known for the breadth and depth of its extensive tutorial program. Proposals are invited for tutorials covering subjects of interest to the object technology community. Proposals are solicited at all levels-introductory, intermediate and advanced. Proposals for both advanced and new topics are especially welcome. Tutorials offer a forum for educating professionals and give attendees the opportunity to take an indepth look at topics of their choice in intensive half, full or two-day sessions. All tutorial proposals will be reviewed by a committee under the direction of the Tutorial chair. Tutorials will be selected on the basis of importance of the topic,expertise of the presenters and the quality and educational value of the material to be presented. Product marketing or selling are inappropriate in this forum. Anyone considering submitting a proposal for a tutorial should request guidelines on tutorial submissions from the tutorial chair. Copies of the proposal must be received by 18 march 1993. E-mail submissions of proposals will be accepted and appreciated. Proposers will be notified of acceptance by 12 May 1993 and the final camera- ready versions of tutorial materials for publication in the tutorial notebooks will be due on 9 July 1993. Send requests for tutorial submission guidelines to: John McGregor OOPSLA '93 Tutorials Chair Dept. of Computer Science Box 341906 Clemson University Clemson, SC 29634-1906 Phone: +1-803-656-5859 Fax: +1-803-656-0145 Email: johnmc@cs.clemson.edu --------------------------------------- PANELS Successful panels focus on raising issues and fostering stimulating discussion on important topics in the OO community. While divergent views from panelists often help foster discussion, the main goal this year is to provide substance to conference attendees, not entertainment. Traditionally, panels have consisted of four or five speakers making brief position statements, followed by a discussion driven by questions from the audience. While this format will still be accepted, we are especially interested in proposals for innovative formats that will maximize the attendees' value. Panels will be presented in parallel with the papers. They will be 90 minutes in length, with at least 45 minutes allotted for discussion and debate. Submission Requirements: * Panel title * Brief summary of the key issues to be discussed * Each panelist's name, background and a short description of his/her position on the issues * Proposed panel format with time allotments(90 minutes maximum) * Contact information for the panel moderator (name,affiliation, address and phone number) Panel proposals must be received by 18 March 1993. Proposers will be notified of acceptance by 12 May 1993 and the final camera-ready versions of position papers for publication in the conference proceedings will be due on 20 June 1993. Address submissions and questions to: Sam Adams Knowledge Systems Corporation 114 MacKenan Drive, Suite 100 Cary, NC 27511-6446 Phone: +1-919-481-4000 Fax: +1-919-460-9044 Email: 76450.177@compuserve.com --------------------------------------- WORKSHOPS Workshops are a means for experts to meet and discuss issues with a selected focus in an atmosphere which fosters the active exchange of ideas among researchers and practitioners. They provide a forum for the thrust-and-parry of scientific discourse. Workshops also provide an opportunity for representatives of a research community to coordinate efforts and establish collective plans of action. To ensure a sufficiently small group for effective interaction, workshop attendance is controlled with prospective attendees submitting a short position paper outlining their opinions on an aspect of the workshop topic. Participants are chosen based on the relevance of their position paper to the workshop theme. Workshop presentations are at the discretion of the workshop organizers but all attendees are expected to join in the debate with ample time allotted for general discussion. After the workshop, the organizer(s) will be responsible for reporting to the OOP community via an article in the Proceedings Addendum. Proposals for workshops should be between one and two pages in length, and should contain a description of the topic and intended audience, why the workshop is of interest at this time , and a proposed schedule or preliminary agenda. Proposals should also include the names, affiliations, addresses (postal and electronic), and phone numbers of the organizing committee, which should consist of more than two people knowledgeable in the field but not all at the same institution. Proposals should be submitted as soon as possible but must be received by 18 March 1993. Electronic submissions will be greatly appreciated. Workshop organizers will be notified of acceptance or rejection by 12 May 1993. Send submissions to: Mamdouh Ibrahim OOPSLA '93 Workshops Chair Artificial Intelligence Services Electronic Data Systems 5555 New King Street Troy, MI 48007 Phone: +1-313-696-7129 Fax: +1-313-696-2325 Email: mhi@gmr.com --------------------------------------- DEMONSTRATIONS Proposals are invited for live demonstrations of systems that use, apply, or teach object-oriented programming and technology. At past OOPSLAs, the demonstrations have been well attended and have been an excellent venue for discussing technical aspects of projects and tools. Demonstrations will be selected on the basis of technical merit, relevance to object-oriented programming, novel and interesting features, and feasibility. Presenters should be members of the development or implementation team and will give a technical presentation to a technical audience. Product marketing or selling are inappropriate in this forum. Demonstrations of both commercial and in-house applications, as well as academic and corporate research are sought. In addition to new efforts, we are also interested in "where are they now" demonstrations of projects shown in previous years. Demonstrations should not exceed 30 minutes. Proposals for demonstrations must include a one-page abstract providing the title and description of the demonstration, and the names, affiliation, addresses (postal and electronic), and phone number of the demonstrators. In addition, a description of the technical and hardware requirements for the demonstration is needed. While every effort will be made to provide equipment, demonstrators may be asked to provide their own equipment or to make arrangements for sharing equipment. For details contact the Demonstrations Chair. Three copies of the proposal, including the abstract and technical requirements, must be received by 18 March 1993. Proposers will be notified of acceptance by 12 May 1993. Send submissions to: Bjorn Freeman-Benson OOPSLA '93 Demonstrations Chair Dept. of Computer Science University of Victoria P.O. Box 3055 Victoria, BC, Canada V8W 3P6 Phone: +1-604-721-6019 Fax: +1-604-721-7292 Email: bnfb@cs.uvic.ca --------------------------------------- EXPERIENCE REPORTS Space will be made available in a separate track for short presentations of unrefereed reports describing practical experience applying object technology to production quality software development. Prospective speakers submit a 1-2 page description of the project scope and status and the specific points to be covered in the presentation to the experience report chair by 18 March 1993. Selection will be based on relevance and potential interest. Summaries will be collected after the conference for publication in the Proceedings Addendum issue of the OOPS Messenger. Contact the Experience Reports Chair or access the OOPSLA '93 Hotline for guidelines. Send submissions to: Rebecca Wirfs-Brock OOPSLA '93 Experience Reports Chair Digitalk 7585 SW Mohawk Street Tualatin, OR 97062 Phone: +1-503-691-0800 Fax: +1-503-242-0729 Email: rebecca@digitalk.com --------------------------------------- POSTERS The Poster Session will provide a forum for one-to-one and small group interaction about specific object technology work-either theoretical or applied in nature. Acceptable posters should provide both visual impact and the ability to stimulate interaction among attendees. We especially invite works in progress, work by students, work concerning new methods and processes, and work concerning controversial topics. Presenters are provided display space and are required to be available during designated times (estimated at 4 hours total). Write-ups of accepted posters will be available at the conference. Authors should send 4 copies of a proposal to the Poster Chair to be received no later than 18 March 1993. Authors will be notified of acceptance by 12 May 1993. Final copies of the poster write-up will be due on 20 June 1993. Proposals must include an extended abstract limited to 8 pages (typed double spaced). A separate cover sheet must contain the name, affiliation, address, phone number and e-mail address of all authors. Indicate a primary contact person. Include a list of indexing keywords using the Computing Reviews Classification System terms and also a preliminary graphic layout of the poster. Send submissions to: Mark Whiting OOPSLA '93 Posters Chair Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratory P.O. Box 999 Richland, WA 99352 Phone: +1-509-375-2237 Fax: +1-509-375-3641 Email: whiting@snuffy.pnl.gov ======================================= EXHIBITS Running concurrently with the technical program will be an exposition of object technology products and services. In addition to continuous exposure in their booths in the Exhibition Hall, exhibitors have the opportunity to make scheduled presentations as part of the Vendor Forum, an integral part of the OOPSLA '93 program. Press conference and press room facilities are provided to enhance exhibitor interaction with press attending the conference. OOPSLA '93 will again host a Bookseller's Alley for publishers. Potential exhibitors should contact the Exhibits Chair at the earliest convenience to ensure their inclusion in the OOPSLA '93 Exhibits. Mike Taylor Digitalk 7585 SW Mohawk Street Tualatin, OR 97062 Phone: +1-503-691-0800 Fax: +1-503-242-0729 Email: mike@digitalk.com ======================================= STUDENT VOLUNTEERS The top people in object-oriented technologies and software development meet at, speak at and run the OOPSLA '93 conference. The student volunteers program is an opportunity for students to associate with these world experts. In trade for about ten hours of their time, students will receive a complimentary registration and other bonus benefits. In the past, job assignments have included checking badges at doors, helping with traffic flow management, assisting with tutorials and panels, and general go-for assistance to keep the conference running smoothly. Interested graduate and undergraduates should contact the student volunteers chairperson no later than 1 August 1993. E-mail is greatly preferred for all correspondence. John Shilling OOPSLA '93 Student Volunteers Chair College of Computing Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA 30332-0280 Phone: +1-404-894-7512 Fax: +1-404-853-9378 Email: shilling@cc.gatech.edu ======================================= REGISTRATION/CONFERENCE INFORMATION An advance program containing tutorial information, registration forms, housing forms and preliminary technical program information will be mailed in June 1993. 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From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BinHex on a NeXT? Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:20:35 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k204jINNn9@golden.kaleida.com> Hi, Is there a utility for NeXTs that will un BinHex a file sent from a Mac to the NeXT? Ideally, a utility would do this through the Services menu. Otherwise, is the BinHex format published somewhere? Thanks. Paul
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Users' Choice Award Winners 1992 (LONG) Keywords: NUCA Users' Choice Award 1992 Winner Message-ID: <Jan.25.20.59.26.1993.23498@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 26 Jan 93 01:59:27 GMT References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jan24.190616.8512@athena.mit.edu> <Jan.25.20.49.06.1993.22671@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. BTW, I forgot to mention that the winners' .eps logos may also be picked up from the purdue archive site as part of the NUCA.compressed bundle in the submissions directory. later, John
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: NeXT Users' Choice Award Winners 1992 (LONG) Keywords: NUCA Users' Choice Award 1992 Winner Message-ID: <Jan.25.20.49.06.1993.22671@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 26 Jan 93 01:49:07 GMT References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jan24.190616.8512@athena.mit.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Unfortunately, I started this project a little too late to give the voters a really long time to think about and vote for the choice products of 1992. However, next year the organization of the NUCA will be better. Also I'm working on getting the trophies finished. I hope to have them out to all the winners ASAP. Drum roll... And the winners are... Well, the people have spoken and the best NeXTSTEP product of 1992 is NeXTSTEP 3.0. Kudos to NeXT for putting out a really nice product The really hot products this year were NeXTSTEP 3.0, Virtuoso, DataPhile and the Zyxel modem. These products received the greatest number of votes in multiple categories. NeXT did very well; they won in the Overall Product of the Year, Software Development, Software Wordprocessing (actually the most common response to this category was "What wordprocessor?"), Software Utility, Hardware Display, Hardware Mass Storage, Hardware Printing/Output, Hardware Video, Hardware Other, and Overall Best Hardware categories. Altsys' Virtuoso was the single best product in that it won in the Software Desk Top Publishing, Software Graphics and Overall Best Software categories. Congratulations to all of the winners! (The complete results may be found on the orst and/or purdue FTP site in the submissions directory--if I can get it up there!) Overall Product of the Year_________________________________ 1. NeXTSTEP 3.0 2. Virtuoso 3. Executor 4. Create 4. InstantTeX 4. Presto Others mentioned (in alphabetical order) Concurrence Cub'X Window Garfinkell-Mahoney Book gcc NeXTTeX+TeXView+dvips by Tom Rokicki PasteUp QuickStart SCREENCAST Stuart Software___________________________________________________ Audio------------------------------------------------------ 1. Presto 2. NeXT CDPlayer 2. Simon Says Others Mentioned Eric Clapton 'Unplugged' EdSnd2 GISO3.0.app SoundWorks Communications--------------------------------------------- 1. NXFax 2. SLIP, Louis Mamakos 3. MicroPhone Pro 4. Marble Teleconnect 4. NewsGrazer 4. tip Others Mentioned Kermit MailHelper NeXTMail DataBase--------------------------------------------------- 1. DataPhile 2. DBInspector 2. DBKit 2 Others Mentioned IXKit Developer-------------------------------------------------- 1. NeXTstep 3.0 2. ProjectBuilder Others Mentioned AppKit Bill Tschumy CheckItOut gcc Gnu Obj-C runtime HeaderViewer InterfaceBuilder RightBrain Stuart SuperDebugger Dest Top Publishing---------------------------------------- 1. Virtuoso 2. PastUp 3. Create 3. Diagram Others Mentioned Adobe Illustrator Concurrence FrameMaker NeXTTeX RedMark Game------------------------------------------------------- 1. AcChen 2. Oxyd 3. Hunter 3. PacMan 3. Void Others Mentioned CyberZone GoldDigger Infocom Z-Code Player Lemmings MineHunter Graphic---------------------------------------------------- 1. Virtuoso 2. Diagram 2. Adobe Illustrator Others Mentioned 3D Reality Intuitiv 3D engine beta nPoint's 3D app TIFFany.app MultiMedia------------------------------------------------- 1. Concurrence 2. CraftMan Others Mentioned MediaView NeXTMail Presto Spreadsheet------------------------------------------------ 1. Improv 2. Mesa Others Mentioned Excel Scientific------------------------------------------------- 1. Mathematica 2. EquationBuilder Wordprocessing--------------------------------------------- 1. Edit 2. InstantTeX 2. NeXTTeX+TeXView+dvips by Tom Rokicki 4. WriteNow 2 Others Mentioned Emacs FrameMaker TeXView Word Utility---------------------------------------------------- 1. DarkForest 1. Backspace 1. Engage 4. Opener Others Mentioned AreaCode Cub'X Window DefaultManager Edit Executor MetroTools NFSManager Perl Poste QuickStart Stuart Virtuoso Video------------------------------------------------------ 1. Movie Others Mentioned NeXTtv Other------------------------------------------------------ 1. Big Green CD 1. Executor 1. monoLib CD ROM 1. SBook Others Mentioned IconBuilder PencilMeIn SciPlot SCREENCAST SortingInAction Overall Software Product of the Year_______________________ 1. Virtuoso 2. NeXTSTEP 3.0 3. InstantTeX 3. NeXTTeX+TeXView+dvips by Tom Rokicki 3. Presto Others Mentioned Concurrence Create Cub'X Window DataPhile Diagram Engage EquationBuilder gcc NewsGrazer PasteUp QuickStart SBook SCREENCAST Hadware____________________________________________________ Audio------------------------------------------------------ 1. Digital Ears Others Mentioned Infinity Kappa series speakers Communications--------------------------------------------- 1. ZyXEL U-1496E 2. Hayes ISDN Extender Others Mentioned Supra 14.4 fax/data modem Whole Internet User's Guide by E. Kroll Display---------------------------------------------------- 1. NeXT ADB 17" 2. NeXT ADB 21" Others Mentioned E-machines 16" Monitor Ikegami 20" Trinitron NEC 5FG monitor Graphic Input---------------------------------------------- 1. HSD Scan-X Color 2. Wacom Graphics Tablet Others Mentioned Color Digital Eye NeXT ADB Keyboard & Mouse Mass Storage----------------------------------------------- 1. NeXT CD ROM Drive 2. NeXT Optical Drive Others Mentioned Hewlett-Packard HP-35480A DAT tape drive 128MO drive HP-DAT drive (8GB) SyQuest 88Mb Drive Archive Python DAT Drive Prining/Output--------------------------------------------- 1. NeXT Color Printer 2. NeXT 400 dpi Laser Printer Others Mentioned HP4 & 4M Video------------------------------------------------------- 1. Next Dimension Other------------------------------------------------------- 1. NeXT ADB Keyboard & Mouse 4 Others Mentioned ISDN extender MIDI link NeXTwatch NeXT Screwdriver Ninja Risc Workstation Overall Hardware Product of the Year_______________________ 1. NeXTStation Color Turbo 2. ZyXEL U-1496E 3. NeXT ADB Keyboard & Mouse Others Mentioned Hayes ISDN Extender HP-35480A DAT tape drive HP-DAT drive (8GB) HP- PA RISC Workstations MIDI link NeXT CD ROM Drive Next Dimension -- NeXT Campus Consultant---Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey |my %^) John Kheit/monoChrome | Opinions expressed represent me only! |fried %-) 173 Westgate Drive | Audix Voice Mail# (415) 366-0900 X5512 |brain %>) Edison, NJ 08820-1163 | kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu,szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT ModPlayers (Cf. Getting more space ...) Message-ID: <C1Fsuy.5Go@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: 26 Jan 93 01:16:09 GMT References: <1993Jan26.003722.5004@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH > > sonata.cc.purdue.edu pub/next/submissions/ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.squfile > you will need UnSquashOnly to uncompress this file. > You can get it on the same site as pub/next/2.0/bin/UnSquashOnly.Z > After you get UnSquashOnly uncompress it and > chmod +x UnSquashOnly > > If you do not want to bother with UnSquashOnly then get > pub/next/submissions/ModPlayer_V2.4.tar > which is an older version, but works just as well. > Someone should probably replace this .squfile file with a .tar.z file. (compressed with gzip) gzip is at least public domain, so anyone can get it and use it. It is also command line driven. By the way, here are the compression comparisons: 69929 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.Z 44327 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.squfile 38541 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.z So gzip gives the maximum compression. If one is going to be forced to get an uncompression utility to read something from an archive, I think it better to have to get gzip rather than UnSquashOnly.
From: dx@netcom.com (dx) Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for C++ Pretty-Printer/Formatter Message-ID: <1993Jan26.022814.27915@netcom.com> Date: 26 Jan 93 02:28:14 GMT Organization: The Off Beat Can anyone point me to a C++ formatter? What we're looking for should simply rearrange the C++ code, rather than generate TeX or PostScript. We'd like to find a formatter that is highly tailorable, as we'd like to use it when checking code in and out of a central store, formating the code to each programmer's liking on check-out, and reformating it to a company-wide standard on check-in. -dx -- "You're a total sociopath in your own right!" --David Baggett
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bagchi@oosik.sprl.umich.edu (Ranjan Bagchi) Subject: rtf -> ps Message-ID: <1993Jan26.030725.11007@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Sender: news@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Mr. News) Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:07:25 GMT Some background: we've got a new high-speed printer postscript printer on campus which we're being encouraged to test. I'm also going through the Developer bookshelf, and while the on-line viewing is nice -- maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned and while it's too much time to print to the NeXT printer, this high-speed one? Hmm... Anyway: I realize that I can highlight titles in the Bookshelf viewer, so I think I can get away with doing this for the selected titles and using the print option. Wrong! A feature, I take it? So, there are some 30 titles from the bookshelf I'm interested in hard copies of. As far as I can tell there's no way to get a postscript file for all of them without opening each and printing. Help? -- Ranjan Bagchi bagchi@oosik.sprl.umich.edu o o oooo ooo o o oooooooo NeXTMail accepted here! oo oooo o oo ooooo oo oo o o oooo ooo o o oooooooo
From: lebay@mercury.cl.msu.edu (Jim LeBay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: new release of NeXT Gopher client - version 1.3.2 Message-ID: <1k28b7INNfks@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: 26 Jan 93 02:40:39 GMT Organization: Michigan State University I have recently uploaded version 1.3.2 of the NeXT Gopher client to several archives. You can retrieve: /pub/gopher/NeXT/Gopher_1.3.2.tar.Z from boombox.micro.umn.edu /pub/next/submissions/Gopher_1.3.2.tar.Z from sonata.cc.purdue.edu /pub/next/submissions/Gopher_1.3.2.tar.Z from cs.orst.edu New features - version 1.3.2 ============================ - support for image type 'I' in addition to type 'g' (GIF) - support for binary files of types: '4' (BinHex), '5' (DOS archive), '6' (uuencode) and '9' (raw binary). Files are saved directly to disk. - fixed a bug with launching Terminal under NeXTStep 3.0 Features added in version 1.3 ============================= * mini-icons are used in the browser to identify Gopher-types * added support for GIF graphics files (type 'g') - the Find menu is fully implemented - including a Find Panel - fixed-width font (Ohlfs) used in the text window - larger default window size - Gopher will remember whenever you change its window size - 'play' (for sounds) is bundled into an .app wrapper - removed limitation on size of text files - Alternate-clicking on an item will update its "Item info" without retrieving its contents - a default has been added to allow listing all items in the browser, including unsupported types. In a Terminal window you must do "dwrite Gopher ShowAllTypes YES". - "Open..." remembers previous connection information - double-clicks in the browser are ignored - window closes when Gopher fails to open a new connection - better error detection & notification - fixed bug when closing a window from the menu (Command-w) - fixed bug when selecting text items following an Index - other minor improvements and bug fixes --------- Jim LeBay (517) 353-1800 Computer Information Center lebay@msu.edu Michigan State University lebay@mercury.cl.msu.edu (NeXTmail) *=*=* I feel better than James Brown! *=*=*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: BinHex on a NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan26.032915.24864@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1k204jINNn9@golden.kaleida.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 03:29:15 GMT In comp.sys.next.misc article <1k204jINNn9@golden.kaleida.com> you wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a utility for NeXTs that will un BinHex a file sent from a Mac to > the NeXT? Ideally, a utility would do this through the Services menu. > > Otherwise, is the BinHex format published somewhere? > > Thanks. > > Paul You want to get Opener.app. It does just about everything you need for archiving/unarchiving in various formats. I think you can get it from the public archive servers (sonata, for example) -Avery
From: tyf@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tin Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What Fortran compiler is available? Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:17:27 GMT Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k2e0n$g5m@agate.berkeley.edu> What Fortran 77 or 90 compiler is avaialbe on the NeXT and at what cost? How much is the cheapest one? (There's one listed in NXConnection's catalog at $800) Thanks.
From: begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rubricant Horticulturist) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Users' Choice Award Winners 1992 (LONG) Keywords: NUCA Users' Choice Award 1992 Winner Message-ID: <1k2d74INN8h3@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: 26 Jan 93 04:03:48 GMT Article-I.D.: shelley.1k2d74INN8h3 References: <1993Jan24.190616.8512@athena.mit.edu> <Jan.25.20.49.06.1993.22671@gandalf.rutgers.edu> <Jan.25.20.59.26.1993.23498@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Organization: University of Washington, Seattle > Game------------------------------------------------------- > 1. AcChen > 2. Oxyd > 3. Hunter > 3. PacMan > 3. Void > Others Mentioned > CyberZone > GoldDigger > Infocom Z-Code Player > Lemmings > MineHunter LEMMINGS!?!?!?!? Is there really Lemmings available for the NeXT or is someone just using SoftPC or something? If it really is available for the NeXT would someone please e-mail me on how to get it? If I can have Lemmings then I will be completely satisfied with the NeXT (yes, I am easy to please). -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush, Public Relations Abstract Software e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee "Another one of the flock following the herd."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: magnus@Fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: Re: BinHex on a NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan26.045514.27331@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jan26.032915.24864@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 04:55:14 GMT In article <1993Jan26.032915.24864@leland.Stanford.EDU> avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) writes: > In comp.sys.next.misc article <1k204jINNn9@golden.kaleida.com> you wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is there a utility for NeXTs that will un BinHex a file sent from a Mac to > > the NeXT? Ideally, a utility would do this through the Services menu. > > > > Otherwise, is the BinHex format published somewhere? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Paul > > You want to get Opener.app. It does just about everything you need for > archiving/unarchiving in various formats. I think you can get it from the > public archive servers (sonata, for example) > > -Avery There is also "mcvert" which is line based only. Source is available from sumex-aim.stanford.edu (somewhere in info-mac). -- Magnus Nordborg Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Any paid Internet connection in ChicagoLand area? Message-ID: <1993Jan26.045810.3101@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:58:10 GMT Hi, A friend of mine needs to get the internet connection in the ChicagoLand area. Can anyone recommend some with their monthly/annual charge? Thanks, -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pan@athena.mit.edu (W. H. Pan) Subject: Help needed!--Media Errors Message-ID: <1993Jan25.210146.3873@athena.mit.edu> Summary: Media Errors Keywords: media errors Sender: pan@athena.mit.edu Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:01:46 GMT Hi, I ran in to some problems the other night while trying to perform a low level format on my internal harddrive. Maybe you could advise me on the situation. I was having some Media Errors on my internal drive, and people suggested to me that performing a low level format on that drive would eliminate those problems. So I used the program sdform to format the drive. The program said that it would take about 5 minutes to format the 100MB disk. But the formatting was done in 5 seconds. I then repeated the process with the disk program and the same thing occurred. Am I doing anything wrong here? I don't think dong a low level format would only take 5 seconds! Ugh, I just want to get rid of those media erros! Please respond by email and I'll post a summary. Thanks. =Howard Pan=
From: sami2@ruffles.Eng.Sun.COM (Sami Shaio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:19:00 GMT Organization: Sun Message-ID: <lm9svkINNm55@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> Keywords: Sun, Display PostScript In article <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: >In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: > >>Q. Is DPS a standard? >> >>A. Though DPS is not a sanctioned standard, it is fast >>becoming a de facto UNIX standard. All major Unix platform >>vendors (SGI, IBM, DEC, NCD, etc.), except Hewlett-Packard, >>support DPS. > >I guess NeXT does not use DPS. > >I guess they didn't pioneer it either. From what I gather >it was NeXT's idea in the first place to use PostScript on >the display. Everyone else thought that PostScript was too >slow for an interactive display. > >Oh, forgot this was Sun talking... They're almost as bad as >Iraqi ambassadors :-). > > >- db Sun implemented the NeWS window system which was rendering PostScript to the screen long before DPS. NeWS also had a more complete set of input primitives than DPS does. In fact, NeWS was also the first use of annoying mixed capitals names that I'm aware of. Guess we'll take the blame for that one. --sami :) no flames intended but just setting the record straight...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: garylang@netcom.com (Gary Lang) Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! In-Reply-To: scott@nic.gac.edu's message of 24 Jan 93 23:29:24 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan26.080339.5088@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> <SCOTT.93Jan24152924@nic.gac.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:03:39 GMT " It's not _Adobe_ PostScript, but it is PostScript nonetheless. Especially when looking over the " If it's not Adobe, it's not really PostScript. Ask any print shop... -g
From: garylang@netcom.com (Gary Lang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect - PIECE OF CRAP!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan26.084815.7971@netcom.com> Date: 26 Jan 93 08:48:15 GMT References: <Jan15.013837.80296@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <1993Jan15.194044.12608@pellns.alleg.edu> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) In-Reply-To: dblackbu@alleg.edu's message of Fri, 15 Jan 1993 19:40:44 GMT "They put in a FREE word processor that ranked with the best of its 1984 competition. " Wow, the reality distortion field was in full force for you. In no way did MacWrite compare with commercial products for the PC. What good is a word processor that works completely in memory and can only work on documents of up to 10 pages. When the NeXT shipped, it came bundled with WriteNow which had none of these silly-ass limitations and is still an excellent product. MacWrite wasn't bundled forever either. You remember 1984 but not 1988. Strange. -g
From: brandyn@goofy.apple.COM (Brandyn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Generating PORTABLE Postscript from a Mac? Keywords: postscript print Message-ID: <34929@goofy.apple.COM> Date: 26 Jan 93 08:00:24 GMT Followup-To: poster Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA Has anyone out there successfully printed Mac generated postscript on a NeXT? I'm having a strange problem where the font gets slightly warped -- it is the correct font and all, but many of the characters have a point in their outline translated to their origin. Makes it look like I got the page wet and smudged everything down and left. In addition, I have to prepend the line "%! foo" to the beginning of the files to get them to print at all. This prevents the NeXT from trying to interpret the file as conforming postscript -- otherwise, I get nothing at all (it complains about the "BoundingBox: ? ? ? ?" line). I've looked at macps and a couple of other packages out there that are supposed to make this work, but none seem to deal with these particular problems (most have added problems, actually). Please respond via email, as I have limitted news access. Thanks, -Brandyn (brandyn@apple.com)
From: pat%expovision@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Login and logout Hook Message-ID: <1993Jan26.014835.1029@cesar.uucp> Date: 26 Jan 93 01:48:35 GMT Sender: pat@cesar.uucp Hello Super NetLand, I would like to know what exactly is a LOGIN HOOK and LOGOUT HOOK. How does it work and why should we use it. Thanks in advance. Pat =====NeXT Mail Patrique Lalonde pat%cesar@cam.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: NeXT Users' Choice Award Winners 1992 (LONG) Message-ID: <C1Gq6o.Ct6@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Keywords: NUCA Users' Choice Award 1992 Winner Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Computing Center References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jan24.190616.8512@athena.mit.edu> <Jan.25.20.49.06.1993.22671@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:15:59 GMT In article <Jan.25.20.49.06.1993.22671@gandalf.rutgers.edu> szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: >Infocom Z-Code Player What and where is this? Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah. Look up." NeXT Mail accepted --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dnp@phragmen.mit.edu (Dan Port) Subject: Cheapo 2.88MB floppy disks Message-ID: <1993Jan25.191210.15846@galois.mit.edu> Keywords: floppys, disks, cheap, cheap, cheap Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Organization: MIT, Department of Mathematics Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 19:12:10 GMT I thought it might be of interest to let you know that Cube Route now offers Extended Density 2.88MB floppy disks for less than half the cost of Toshiba disks. Of course, they also sell the floppy drives that use them! You can reach them at 1-800-CUBE-RTE. Bug them, they like it. (subliminal message: buy buy buy hard drives sex sex sex fnord)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: boyiny@kovalevskaya.mit.edu (Professor Who?) Subject: US Robotics Message-ID: <1993Jan26.131818.18424@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Organization: MIT, Department of Mathematics Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:18:18 GMT Hello, people: Advice sought. [a] How does US Robotics Modems go with NeXT Stations, it has been highly recommended to me by several people. [b] Do they have a 800 number somewhere or perhaps just any old phone number. [c] Reasonable price range? Thank you!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jesper@harry.xanthus.se (Jesper Lundh) Subject: Xanthus Announces Random Access as distributor for North America Message-ID: <1993Jan26.154953.10712@sics.se> Keywords: Xanthus, Random Access, CraftMan, LaserMan Sender: news@sics.se Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:49:53 GMT ------ Xanthus International Announces Random Access as ------ exclusive distributor for the United States and Canada Stockholm, January 13, 1993 - Xanthus International AB today announced Random Access as Xanthus exclusive distributor and exclusive academic reseller for the United States and Canada. Random Access will act as exclusive distributor for the following shipping products from Xanthus: - CraftMan - the multimedia programming tool for the NeXTSTEP platform. - LaserMan - a tool for controlling Laser Disc Players and other devices from a NeXT computer, either direct or by another application like CraftMan. "We think that Random Access will be a perfect partner for Xanthus in North America", says Jesper Lundh, marketing manager at Xanthus. "They have a very high technical knowledge about the NeXTSTEP platform and about our products. They also share our enthusiasm about the NeXTSTEP platform. Random Access will also be a very good partner when we release our new state-of-the-art NeXTSTEP spreadsheet application Questor and business graphics application Graphity in a few months." "We are very pleased to be carrying Xanthus International's state-of-the-art software products for the NeXTSTEP platform.", says Bruce Miliken, CEO of Random Access. Terry Tautz, NeXT Account Representative adds,"The entire suite of Xanthus products will form the perfect cornerstone for our plans to provide a North American distribution channel for the burgeoning collection of superb NeXTSTEP software coming out of Europe. Random Access, Inc., headquartered in Denver, Colorado, is an authorized NeXT Value Added Dealer and a specialized partner for NeXT - hardware, software and related services. Xanthus International, headquartered in Stockholm, Sweden, is a privately owned software development company that specializes in the NeXTSTEP platform. Xanthus International was founded in 1990. For more information please contact: Xanthus International AB Random Access, Inc. Jesper Lundh Terry Tautz phone: +46-8-612 89 95 phone: 1-800-726-3895 fax: +46-8-612 89 96 fax: 303-752-5166 mail: xanthus@xanthus.se mail: xanthus@randomaccess.com
From: hlf@nic.cerf.net (Howard Ferguson) Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Looking for C++ Pretty-Printer/Formatter Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:48:22 GMT Organization: CERFnet Dial n' CERF Customer Group Message-ID: <1k3q0mINNcb1@news.cerf.net> References: <1993Jan26.022814.27915@netcom.com> In article <1993Jan26.022814.27915@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes: >Can anyone point me to a C++ formatter? What we're looking for should >simply rearrange the C++ code, rather than generate TeX or PostScript. >We'd like to find a formatter that is highly tailorable, as we'd like >to use it when checking code in and out of a central store, formating >the code to each programmer's liking on check-out, and reformating it >to a company-wide standard on check-in. > I asked this exact question a few weeks ago and the best I got was the following script which hacks at the existing cb ( on most unix systems) which is desgned for C. From: jdelsign@star-trek.bbn.com (John Delsignore) \-(1)--(2)--[2] [2] Re: beautify for C++ Date: Tue Jan 19 06:27:15 PST 1993 Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com In article <1jfhptINNg2g@news.cerf.net> hlf@nic.cerf.net (Howard Ferguson) writes: > >I am looking for a filter that I can run my C++ code through >that will apply some standard formatting rules to it. > >cb does this for C code, but is there a C++ specific version. I pulled the following out of UnixWorld over a year ago, I forget who the original author was. It uses sed to convert the '::' token into a string that's not likely to appear in your code, and '// comment' style comments into '/*C++ comment C++*/' comments. It then pipes the result to cb and then through another sed filter to undo the conversion. ====================cut here==================== : # Use cb and sed to beautify C++ code # symbol=MAGIC_C_PLUS_PLUS_COLON_COLON_TOKEN sed -e 's,\(//.*\),/*C++ \1 C++*/,' \ -e "s,::,$symbol,g" $* | cb | sed -e 's,/\*C++ \(.*\) C++\*/,\1,' \ -e "s,$symbol,::,g" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John V. DelSignore, Jr. jdelsign@bbn.com BBN Systems and Technologies 10 Moulton Street Phone: (617) 873-2970 Cambridge, MA 02138 FAX: (617) 873-3315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Iplayed with this script and found indent ( again on most unix -- gnu copy on the net ) was much more satisfactory. I also added a couple of lines to make class declarations a bit neater. However I refuse to believe that nobody has written a proper copy of a C++ beautifier. I would still like to find one as this hack still has limitations The following in my version of the above script. If you find any more improvements please let me know. In particular I would like to enforce the format int* x; instead of int *x; I managed to do this in standalone cases but it is more difficult to hack it when it is in the prototype of a function, or the top of a for loop : for (int *x; *x>10 ..... # Use indent and sed to beautify C++ code # #options to indent are as follows # -bl -- puts { on its own line # -- following for, while class etc # -di4 -- lines up text following keyword # -- 4 spaces after start of keyword # -nce -- forces else keyeword onto a line # -- on its own symbol=MAGIC_C_PLUS_PLUS_COLON_COLON_TOKEN sed -e 's,\(//.*\),/*C++ \1 C++*/,' \ -e "s,::,$symbol,g" $* > String.cb.tmp indent String.cb.tmp -bl -di4 -nce cat String.cb.tmp | sed -e 's,/\* C++ \(.*\) C++ \*/,\1,' \ -e "s,$symbol,::,g" \ -e "s/[\ ]*private:$/private:/" \ -e "s/[\ ]*public:$/private:/" \ -e "s/[\ ]*protected:$/private:/" \ -e "s/:public/: public/" Have fun hlf
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) Subject: File Conversion Pain Message-ID: <1993Jan26.171252.25298@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:12:52 GMT I understand, that FrameMaker does not ship FilterPak for NeXTSTEP. Also the RTF standard in NeXTSTEP is not comptible with the RTF format generated from MS Word or other applications on Macs and PCs. Not compatible in a way that German Umlaute and other special characters are not translated. I don't care who generates or translates crap, but we need working translation and filter software for the major text processing packages, spreadsheets. If not we can forget getting NeXT into heterogenous environments. Is there anybody working on stuff like that ? Thanks -Florian -- Florian Gutzwiller Tel: +41 61 262 05 10, Fax: +41 61 262 05 10 Open Systems AG, Basel flog@Open.CH Switzerland S=gutzwiller;O=open;P=EUnet=A=EUnet;C=CH
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Music Kit location : other things ... Message-ID: <1k3r3fINN7rm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Date: 26 Jan 93 17:06:55 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Hi all, Firstly, thank you to all the people who told me how to get in contact with MIT's computer center. THANKS. I am now up to 3.0!!!!! Yeah! I think ... anyway, I can play GoldDigger now :) Now, next question ... where is the music kit? I tried ccrma.stanford.edu ... but it doesn't take anonymous users. Thanks to all in advance ... Joel Belog nether@wpi.wpi.edu NeXTMail O.K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: Music Kit location : other things ... Message-ID: <1993Jan26.175517.13030@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1k3r3fINN7rm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:55:17 GMT In article <1k3r3fINN7rm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) writes: > Now, next question ... where is the music kit? I tried > ccrma.stanford.edu ... but it doesn't take anonymous > users. Try ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: NeXT ModPlayers (Cf. Getting more space ...) Message-ID: <1993Jan26.181644.4276@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <C1Fsuy.5Go@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:16:44 GMT Michael Glenn writes > 69929 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.Z > 44327 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.squfile > 38541 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.z > So gzip gives the maximum compression. Great, but how about using ".zip" to avoid confusion? :-) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jlr5m@hilbert.math.Virginia.EDU (James Rovnyak) Subject: Genealogy Message-ID: <1993Jan26.173944.12062@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Keywords: genealogy, GEDCOM Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:39:44 GMT Query: Is there genealogy software for the NeXT? Does it use GEDCOM? Failing this, does anybody recommend any DOS software that uses GEDCOM? Jim Rovnyak jlr5m@hilbert.math.Virginia.EDU rovnyak@virginia.edu
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Drive drive Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:04:24 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1k41voINNbc6@gap.caltech.edu> References: <SCOTT.93Jan24203511@nic.gac.edu> <!#p30+=@rpi.edu> >> Does the new gzip compile on older versions of NeXTSTEP? Yep. Just tried it on 2.1--compiles and checks out fine. (The makefile has a "make check" target for making sure the program actually works.) I wouldn't know where to find a 1.0 system to try it on. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <1993Jan26.182207.198723@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 26 Jan 93 18:22:07 GMT References: <C1ArLs.A1C@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <C1ArLs.A1C@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > In article <1993Jan22.081439.24884@btree.uucp> bly@btree.uucp (Roger Bly) writes: > > [ ] > > > >Really looks like Steve is going to have to dump the hardware business > >to keep NeXT and NeXTStep going. With deals in the works with Compaq, > >HP, etc. It looks like NeXT will be a software company by the end of the year. > >But of course, software is where all the value/money is! > > In my opinon dropping out of the hardware business would be a terrible > mistake and a very real setback in computing to those who don't only care > about speed. > > [ ] > > Philip McDunnough > University of Toronto > philip@utstat.toronto.edu It is my feeling that a poliferation of NS on various platforms will help not hinder the sale of NeXThardware. As NS becomes more accepted and people decide to go with it as on os then there will shurely be those people(companies) who will pay to get their hardware and os from the same source. If a company has a video problem and has to deal with both NeXT and some bizar 3rd party video card manufacturer to solve it that could represent more time/money that just going to NeXT. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: zalta@mally.Stanford.EDU (Ed Zalta) Subject: Help: ADB/Monitor/Keyboard/Terminal.app/tcsh/Alt-as-Meta? Message-ID: <1993Jan26.201856.18410@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:18:56 GMT I can't seem to get the Alt key to function as a Meta-key so that I can take advantage of the emacs functions in tcsh. I have set the Preferences in Terminal.app to both settings (Alt key generates Escape sequences, or Alt key generates special characters), yet neither seems to work. This used to work fine with my old monochrome monitor and keyboard, but the ADB-compatible monitor and keyboard doesn't seem to support this feature. Does anyone know what the problem is? (I have "set editmode = emacs" in my .cshrc). Thanks for replying. Ed
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT ModPlayers (Cf. Getting more space ...) Message-ID: <C1H8oE.5qw@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: 26 Jan 93 19:55:23 GMT References: <1993Jan26.181644.4276@adobe.com> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH > > > 69929 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.Z > > 44327 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.squfile > > 38541 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.z > > > So gzip gives the maximum compression. > > Great, but how about using ".zip" to avoid confusion? :-) > Well, a couple of reasons. Here is the full story: 69929 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.Z 53937 ModPlayer_V2.5.zip 53447 ModPlayer_V2.5.lha 50854 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.lha 44327 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.squfile 38663 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.zip 38541 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.z As you can see, zip acting on a directory doesn't really do a very good job. On a single file yes (gzip always seems to beat it slightly), but on directories no. In general, lha always does better than zip on directories with large numbers of files. (don't get rid of lha just yet) Always the *best* compression can be had by tarring everything first, and then using either zip or gzip. So, if you have to choose between file.tar.z and file.tar.zip, I would easily choose file.tar.z instead. Aside from it having two fewer letters, gzip is totally gnu, incredibly easy to install, and will undoubtedly replace the unix compress/uncompress. (it works exactly the same way, though with some added options) It is a utility that will be on everyones system very soon. I can't say the same of zip. Michael Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pls help Mac-guy open NeXT.tiffs! Message-ID: <1993Jan26.143759.1@vax1.umkc.edu> From: ggale@vax1.umkc.edu Date: 26 Jan 93 14:37:59 CST Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City NeXT's wizards--can you guys help a poor Mac jockey who wants to turn some of your cool NeXT.tiffs into something his computer can read?? I've got a WHOLE bunch of converters for graphics for Mac and other stuff, but none of them can read The Secret Code you guys use. A gif converson engine, or jpeg or pict or just about anything would be neat to recommend to me. Thanks for the help. Please e-mail me at IN%"ggale@vax1.umkc.edu" if you're got The Knowledge! George
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: Using CD-ROM on NeXT over NFS from PC Message-ID: <1993Jan26.192545.26912@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:25:45 GMT I have a CD-ROM drive attached to my NeXT Station. I am using FTP Software's PC/TCP and I have IDRIVE installed, version 1.05. I can export the CD-ROM directory, and then using the IDMNT command from the PC can mount the directory as a drive on the PC. I can then switch to that drive from the PC, and can change directories, and can get a DIR of the files on the CD-ROM from the PC. Problem is when I go to COPY any files, it dies. It just sits there. The only time I ever did get a message it said something about an 'Invalid Function' and pointed to the .BAT file I was trying to copy from the CD-ROM. Anyone have any ideas? I have tried making it ReadOnly and also ReadWrite from the export end of things. Could it be the block size it is trying to use for disk reads/writes? Anyone that can help would be greatly appreciated........ ************************************************************************** * John Burke * * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * jburke@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu * **************************************************************************
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <SOWA.93Jan26125227@amdew.llnl.gov> Date: 26 Jan 93 19:52:26 GMT References: <SOWA.93Jan25161312@amdew.llnl.gov> <m+p33na@rpi.edu> Sender: usenet@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science In-reply-to: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu's message of 26 Jan 93 00:55:27 GMT >>>>> "gad" == Garance A. Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> writes: gad> What else would you want to see? Sometimes I actually look at file contents. But this thread has gone too far off, and it's my fault for using the word "hate" carelessly when I really meant to express a preference. Let me say what I should have said in the first place: For examining and installing software I obtain from the net, I *prefer* Opener.app to Installer.app. Installer has some advantages, particularly with complicated installs (e.g., TeX) , but most stuff from the net is not that complicated---just drag the app into the proper folder and that's it---and Opener has its own advantages. It's a trade-off like anything else in life; your mileage may vary. IMHO, unless you're using some fancy GUI ftp tool that automatically untars files, the .pkg doesn't buy you much---you still have to get the file and untar it into a .pkg before you can double click to invoke Installer---but what the heck, it doesn't hurt. There you are. "prefer A" sounds better than "hate B". I'll be more careful the next time. And I can get inside the .pkg to find the .tar.Z or .zip I prefer, so the .pkg doesn't keep me from getting my way. Maybe I'd be happier if that Receipts problem were solved, but it's really no big deal. And I could not live without Opener.app. That happy note bears repeating. :-) -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bacchus!eric (Eric Bloom) Subject: Re: Pixel Magician Message-ID: <1993Jan26.191732.1938@bacchus.com> Sender: eric@bacchus.com Organization: Bacchus, Inc. References: <1993Jan25.222434.6950@gossip.urich.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:17:32 GMT In article <1993Jan25.222434.6950@gossip.urich.edu> littlepg@plato.NOHOST.NODOMAIN (bob littlepage) writes: > > Somehow a demo copy of Pixel Magicican was loaded into our Nextstations > and now Pixel Magician comes up as the print previewer on all our Nextstations. > How do I remove the link to Pixel Magician so that the original previewer comes > up? > > Thanks, > bobel Select a .PS file in the File Viewer. Bring up the Inspector ( Tools -> Inspector, from the menu ), then choose Tools from the pop-up list. Set Preview to be the default application for this file extension. Eric Bloom Bacchus, Inc. eric@bacchus.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eronald@fml.tuwien.ac.at (Edmund Ronald) Subject: CD publishers should fund Sonata! Message-ID: <eronald.728089816@ruble> Keywords: drive jukebox CD oxymoron Sender: news@email.tuwien.ac.at Organization: Technical University of Vienna Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:10:16 GMT Much of the software on Sonata, eg. 1.0 and 2.0 stuff is of archival importance. I suggest it should be copied onto a CD, and placed on a jukebox CD drive. This would also make sure this software was safe which is essential for those who for some reason run old systems. Surely, all those CD collection publishers that got their stuff off Sonata could spring for a CD drive for the server? Some of my software has got "freebied" by people from all over the place, including Canon Japan. I am sure that Canon, would do the honorable thing if approached nicely - after all they are using this as a marketing tool, and the Japanese are notorious for going after long-term symbiotic relationships rather than letting the goose which lays the golden eggs die of starvation. Edmund.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer Message-ID: <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:28:45 GMT I'm going to catch hell for now knowing this, but... How can a user "inform" the FileViewer that files with certain extensions should have a corresponding app selected as the default launch app? It's easy enough to select an app already displayed in the Tools panel of the inspector, but how does one add a new choice? Dragging an icon into that area doesn't seem to work (it should!)... -- Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scottf@valhalla.csuohio.edu (Scott Finet) Subject: Mail.app Problem Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:18:54 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan27.001854.7630@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Here's a description of the problem: Mail.app finds no incoming messages. Test messages sent to my address generate error messages such as: "Error 1: Can't append to mailfile in /usr/spool/mail" (this file is empty) and "can't write to .deadletter" Any help or suggestions are appreciated. Don't mail responses, post or mail to cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu -- Scott Finet scottf@valhalla.csuohio.edu scottf@inca.law.csuohio.edu
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:06:00 EST From: <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93026.190600HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTDimension Users List I'm interested in making a list of people on the net who use the NeXTDimension board. The idea is to start a regular newsletter aimed at those of us who use the ND. Topics would include video, RenderMan, peripherals (encoders etc.), neat apps etc. and would basically be a bunch of long letters / short articles in a common format. I would be willing to take ascii input (I don't have NeXTMail ;) ) and turn it into formatted PS files, likely about 4 issues a year, and place it on Sonata etc. If it turned out that non-Net people wanted copies I could arrange something. If you think this is a good idea, send your name, system configuration, and what you use the NeXTDimension for, to me. Rob Harrap Dept. Geological Sciences Queen's University Kingston, Ont. Harrapr@qucdn.queensu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: michael@stb.info.com (Michael Gersten) Subject: Re: Speed of next CD? Message-ID: <1993Jan26.173611.2309@stb.info.com> Organization: STB BBS, La, Ca, 310 397 3137 References: <1993Jan10.180508.369@stb.info.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:36:11 GMT In article <1993Jan10.180508.369@stb.info.com>, I wrote: >Does anyone know what the speed of the next CD rom drive is? >Both seek time and throughput bytes/sec? > >Please reply by mail, and I'll summarize. Ok, here's the summary, as promised: Data transfer rate: Sustained: 150 KB/Sec Burst: 1200 KB/Sec Access time: Full stroke: 0.7 sec (typical) Avg (1/3 stroke): 0.45 sec (typical) Now, 44K samples per second, at 2 bytes per sample, two channels is 88 + 88 = 176 KB/Sec; 176/150 is about 2338/2048 (audio CD vs data CD block size), so this is exactly as fast as needed for audio, no faster. -- Michael Gersten michael@stb.info.com NeXT Registered Developer (NeRD) # 3860 -- Hire me! Quick! Will program computers for food (and net connection, health benefits, cash,...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: CD publishers should fund Sonata! Message-ID: <1993Jan27.004446.29743@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <eronald.728089816@ruble> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 00:44:46 GMT In article <eronald.728089816@ruble> eronald@fml.tuwien.ac.at (Edmund Ronald) writes: > Much of the software on Sonata, eg. 1.0 and 2.0 stuff is of archival > importance. I suggest it should be copied onto a CD, and placed on > a jukebox CD drive. This would also make sure this software was safe > which is essential for those who for some reason run old systems. > > Surely, all those CD collection publishers that got their stuff off > Sonata could spring for a CD drive for the server? Some of my software > has got "freebied" by people from all over the place, including Canon Japan. > > I am sure that Canon, would do the honorable thing if approached nicely - > after all they are using this as a marketing tool, and the Japanese > are notorious for going after long-term symbiotic relationships rather > than letting the goose which lays the golden eggs die of starvation. > > Edmund. I'm in total agreement here! I had some of my stuff "freebied" by various publishers too. 2 of them asked for my permission to distribute my software. I haven't checked, but I wonder if anyone else has published my software without my knowledge or permission. (So far, I don't care). Anyway, software authors who get asked for permission to have their software distributed are in a position to request that a donation be made to the various archive servers. So I propose that people keep this in mind in the future. But by now, all the software that is out on the currently distributed disks has already been sucked off, so we would have to wait for new stuff to apply any leverage, I suppose. -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sepa@enel.ucalgary.ca (Michael Sepa) Subject: How to convert BSD a.out files to Mach files using atom Sender: news@acs.ucalgary.ca (USENET News System) Message-ID: <93Jan26.222117.22821@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 22:21:17 GMT Organization: ECE Department, U. of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada I have an executable file on a SUN computer and I want to use atom to convert it to an executable on my NeXT. I have tried to use: >atom a.out machfile and then execute the machfile: >machfile Segmentation fault I thought I didn't know what I was doing so I made a short c program ('hello world'), compiled it on the SUN and tried to convert it: > atom a.out machfile2 > machfile2 Bus error I have studied the atom man page, but I don't have a clue. Could some kind person show me the light? Maybe I don't know what atom is supposed to do. I thought it could convert executables. Michael sepa@acs.ucalgary.ca or sepa@enel.ucalgary.ca
From: zeno@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Sean Lamont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Drive drive Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:04:47 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Message-ID: <1k4n3fINNom2@shelley.u.washington.edu> References: <1993Jan23.194204.15246@macc.wisc.edu> In article <1993Jan23.194204.15246@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > > a bunch of stuff about contributing to disk space Here's a thought: If there were enough people interested in contributing a small amount of money towards this sort of thing, you might want to consider seeing if you could just hook up a dedicated next-ftp machine hooked somewhere off the net (I could hang one off the UW department of genetics, I just don't want to move my machine from home!) This way you basically wouldn't have to deal with the admins at purdue, since the stuff would be privately-owned, or owned by a "coalition" or something. PS I'd be willing to chip in $10. -Sean -- Sean T. Lamont | "Don't oppress me, It's zeno@genetics.washington.edu | 'computer of color!' " lamont@abstractsoft.com |_______________________________ Abstract Software
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fender@netcom.com (James S. Nemerovski) Subject: HSD Scan -x 1600 for sale Message-ID: <1993Jan27.023924.22430@netcom.com> Summary: Scan-X 1600 HSD for sale Keywords: Traditional Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:39:24 GMT Used unit for sale to best offer. fender@netcom.com or (415) 387-8185 Jim Nemerovski
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer Message-ID: <yaq36ld@rpi.edu> References: <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:03:04 GMT nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > I'm going to catch hell for now knowing this, but... > > How can a user "inform" the FileViewer that files with certain > extensions should have a corresponding app selected as the default > launch app? It's easy enough to select an app already displayed in the > Tools panel of the inspector, but how does one add a new choice? Dragging > an icon into that area doesn't seem to work (it should!)... Hmm, I'm not sure that it should. Interesting idea, I guess. I'm not sure that it shouldn't, either... :-) The application itself advertises what kinds of files it knows how to handle. So the person writing the application has to put that part in. Then, the user has to put the application in one of the standard paths (ie, in /LocalApps, or ~/Apps, etc). You could add more paths to the list of ones which are checked by changing the appropriate "defaults" value (which is "Workspace ApplicationPaths"). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Date: 27 Jan 1993 03:09:32 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k4udc$1cb@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Jan26.182207.198723@zeus.calpoly.edu> In article <1993Jan26.182207.198723@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes: >It is my feeling that a poliferation of NS on various platforms will help >not hinder the sale of NeXThardware. As NS becomes more accepted and >people decide to go with it as on os then there will shurely be those >people(companies) who will pay to get their hardware and os from the same >source. If a company has a video problem and has to deal with both NeXT >and some bizar 3rd party video card manufacturer to solve it that could >represent more time/money that just going to NeXT. But then, at least in the NS486 market, it should be pretty easy for a small clone maker to preload NS486 to their clone with tested video cards, ethernet cards and hard disks. And guarantee that things work. Loading NS486 to existing clones would be problematic, but no one on the selling side is interested in that -- loads of troubles and little money to be made. I would bet that NS486 would definitely eat into NeXT's hardware sales because there are enough dealers that bend over backword to differentiate themselves from the rest. Even with $600 price the dealers might pay for NS486, they can slap together a 66MHz 486 machine that is competitive with NeXT hardware, and preload NS486, with satisfaction guaranteed or money back. Recent prices of local bus 486 machines are amazing. And NS486 will sell the top of the line machines for them. Certainly not all dealers will jump in, but enough will to eat into NeXT's hardware sales. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Announcing eXTRACAL: Color Calibration and Color Reproduction on NeXT Message-ID: <6374@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 26 Jan 93 20:05:20 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc For Immediate Release Contact: John Fox, V.P. Marketing Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. Voice: (415) 257-3513 Fax: (415) 454-8106 eXTRACAL Color Calibration Brings True Color Reproduction to Computers Running NeXTSTEP SAN FRANCISCO, CA, - Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. announced the release of eXTRACAL, a hardware and software solution that objectively profiles all devices used in the color reproduction process, including scanners, monitors, proof printers, imagesetters, and printing presses. When used in conjunction with eXTRACOLOR, Goldleaf's color correction and separation software, eXTRACAL gives the user a truly powerful color calibration solution for the NeXTSTEP environment. eXTRACAL contains a software driver for NeXT computers, and a hardware device that acts as both a digital colorimeter and densitometer. eXTRACAL hardware can be attached to the monitor with a suction cup or can be placed in a stand to measure reflective color levels. eXTRACAL can also be used as a densitometer to measure dot density on film and paper. This feature will appeal to service bureaus and print shops who need to calibrate their film processors and measure dot gain on press. Dot gain measurements can be integrated into eXTRACOLOR's separation parameter files. The eXTRACAL hardware is manufactured by Sequel Imaging. Goldleaf is Sequel Imaging's exclusive OEM/marketing partner for the NeXT and Atari computer platforms. eXTRACAL software and hardware is sold as a standalone product. Additionally, the eXTRACAL software module is bundled with eXTRACOLOR. The combination of Goldleaf's color correction and separation software and hardware, along with the new color publishing software packages (available from other NeXT developers), makes NeXTSTEP an attractive platform for publishing and color reproduction, both for service bureaus and in-house production departments. Use eXTRACAL hardware and software to calibrate all of your color input and output devices, including scanners, monitors, proof printers, imagesetters, and printing presses. eXTRACAL contains a software driver and the System Calibrator hardware that acts as both a digital colorimeter and densitometer. eXTRACAL can be attached to the monitor or placed in a stand to measure reflective or transmissive color levels, or can also be used to measure dot density on film and paper. Dot gain and color measurements can then be integrated into eXTRACOLOR's separation parameter files, giving the user a truly powerful color management solution for the NeXTSTEP environment. Features: Fast and easy color calibration Seamlessly integrates with eXTRACOLOR Reflection/transmission densitometer and colorimeter Calibrate monitors and other devices accross networks The perfect addition to both service bureaus and in-house production departments SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS: NeXTdimension cube, NeXTstation Color 8 MB memory (16 MB recommended) 4 MB free hard disk storage space 1.44 Meg floppy drive NeXTSTEP 2.0 or greater (3.0 recommended) eXTRACAL and eXTRACOLOR are available directly from Goldleaf or through Goldleaf's authorized VARs and VADs. Privately held Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. is a leading developer of NeXT and Atari software and hardware solutions for the publishing and graphic arts industries. eXTRACAL is Goldleaf's third release in their complete line of publishing solutions for computers running NeXTSTEP. Other products include eXTRASCAN, eXTRACOLOR and eXTRASET. Future Goldleaf products will include software and hardware solutions for output to the Goldleaf Imagesetter and to various color output devices. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Goldleaf, eXTRASCAN, eXTRACOLOR, eXTRACAL, and eXTRASET are trademarks of Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. 700 Larkspur Landing Circle, Suite 199 Larkspur, CA 94939 Phone: (415) 257-3515 Fax: (415) 454-8106
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Announcing Goldleaf's Publishing Product: eXTRACOLOR Message-ID: <6376@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 26 Jan 93 20:08:41 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software For Immediate Release Contact: John Fox, V.P. Marketing Goldleaf Publishing Voice: (415) 257-3513 Fax: (415) 454-8106 eXTRACOLOR Fulfills the Promise of Color Publishing on NeXTSTEP LARKSPUR, Calif. - Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. announced the release of eXTRACOLOR, a color correction and separation software package that fills a major gap for color publishing in the NeXTSTEP environment. Now, NeXT users can call eXTRACOLOR from the Services menu to correct image color errors and separate their color images without ever leaving their active application. eXTRACOLOR is extremely easy to use, yet offers the power that was previously only attainable by pre-press professionals on very expensive systems. Upon start-up, a simple "Action" panel is displayed, from which the user chooses to either correct or separate their image. For correction, a list of all popular color output devices is shown, including the NeXT Color Printer, the Canon CJ10 & CLC 500, plus dye sublimation and thermal wax printers from Seiko and Mitsubishi. This library of custom calibration files comes already installed so that in order to correct an image for a specific device, the user simply opens an image file, chooses a device name, and clicks on the "Correct" button. The corrected image will be reproduced on the designated output device with the maximum fidelity possible to the original. eXTRACOLOR's custom correction tables are based on device characterizations that take into account the reproduction of all pure colors (red, green, blue, cyan, magenta, and yellow). The supplied correction file algorithms are so sophisticated that they even take into consideration the white color of the paper and the use of black ink for offset printing. Additionally, if a specific device is not supported by one of the supplied correction files, users can quickly and painlessly setup their own custom correction files. Either way, eXTRACOLOR provides a preview of the correction before actually altering the file. eXTRACOLOR's color separation capabilities are also very strong, offering three separation methods: Chromatic, Achromatic, and Black Chromatic. For the beginning user, eXTRACOLOR provides instantly recognizable default settings such as SWOP Coated (Standard for Web Offset Printing), which is widely used for magazine and newspaper printing. For the experienced user, eXTRACOLOR provides for complete control over the most important separation parameters such as UCR (Under Color Removal), GCR (Gray Component Removal), black generation, color underlay, output gradation, and more. The Black Chromatic setting is particularly well suited for use with four-color printers using inkjet and dye diffusion technologies. Once a file has been corrected and separated, it can be saved in four-color TIFF, EPS, and DCS (Desktop Color Separation) formats. Additionally, a sophisticated batch processing function allows for the unattended background processing of multiple images. Finally, eXTRACOLOR is designed to work seamlessly with eXTRACAL, a soon to be released software and hardware package. eXTRACAL allows for the objective characterization of all devices used in the color reproduction process: scanner, monitor, proof printer, imagesetter, and printing press. eXTRACOLOR allows you to correct and separate all your color images quickly, accurately, and easilyPwithout ever leaving your active application. Now you can get consistent and repeatable color on the desktopPfrom scanning, to display, to proofing, to final printing. eXTRACOLOR puts the know-how of color management experts to work for you in one easy-to-use package. Just call eXTRACOLOR from the Services Menu, choose correction, separation, or gradation, and the program will do the rest. Best of all, you can create your own custom device profiles for any output device. Simply scan-in a test print, take the measurements, and add the profile to your list. And before you make any changes to your images, you can use the preview function to see exactly how your image will print. eXTRACOLOR can even help you improve poor-quality images by allowing you to adjust any of your image's individual color channels. Features: Supports a wide range of devices from the NeXT Color Printer to high-end offset presses. Allows unattended batch processing of multiple images. Complete control over UCR, GCR, black generation, color underlay, output gradation, and more. File Formats Supported: TIFF, EPS, and DCS (DesktopColor Separation). Software driver for eXTRACAL, Goldleaf 's color correction and calibration software included (eXTRACAL hardware available separately). SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS: NeXTdimension cube NeXTstation Color Turbo 8 MB memory (16 MB recommended) 4 MB free hard disk storage space 1.44 Meg floppy drive NeXTSTEP 2.0 or greater (3.0 recommended) eXTRACOLOR: Perfect Color Everytime Privately held Goldleaf Publishing is a leading developer of NeXT and Atari system solutions for the publishing and graphic arts industries. eXTRACOLOR is Goldleaf's second release in their complete line of publishing solutions for computers running NeXTSTEP. Other products include eXTRASCAN, eXTRACAL, and eXTRASET. Future Goldleaf products will include software and hardware solutions for color input and output devices. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Goldleaf, eXTRACOLOR, eXTRASCAN, eXTRASET and eXTRACAL are trademarks of Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Goldleaf, eXTRACOLOR, eXTRASCAN, eXTRASET and eXTRACAL are trademarks of Goldleaf Publishing, Inc.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Announcing Goldleaf's eXTRASET for High Resolution Output on NeXT Message-ID: <6375@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 26 Jan 93 20:06:19 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software For Immediate Release Contact: John Fox, V.P. Marketing Goldleaf Publishing Voice: (415) 257-3516 Fax: (415) 454-8106 eXTRASET Creates Key Advantages for Technical Publishing on Computers Running NeXTSTEP SAN FRANCISCO, CA. - Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. announced the release of eXTRASET, a software and hardware combination that allows high resolution output from any NeXT publishing application directly to the Goldleaf Imagesetter. eXTRASET's high speed and ease-of-use make it the perfect addition to NeXT-based technical documentation departments. eXTRASET's software drivers are seamlessly integrated into the NeXTSTEP operating environment through the Print Manager control panel. When the Print Manager is invoked, eXTRASET's imagesetter selections show up along with all other printer selections. When ready to print, the user specifies the imagesetter and print resolution (1200, 2540, and 3000 dpi are supported), clicks on the print button, and output to the imagesetter is automatically and immediately started. With eXTRASET, output to an imagesetter is no more difficult than printing to a laser printer. This is an especially important development for those using NeXT workstations to create technical and other documentation in-house, where last minute revisions are common. By having eXTRASET and a Goldleaf Imagesetter in-house, users will have more control over final output of their films, thus giving them strong time and cost advantages over other departments and companies that must rely completely on outside vendors. Each Goldleaf Imagesetter is specially modified by Goldleaf's technicians so that it will connect directly to a NeXT workstation via the SCSI port. Thus, eXTRASET completely eliminates the need to purchase a separate, stand-alone raster image processor (RIP), resulting in a savings of thousands of dollars. Additionaly, the Goldleaf Imagesetter will employ ULTRE's new CQR imagesetter technology for improved registration of color plates. Goldleaf is an OEM for the ULTRE products from the ULTRE division of Linotype-Hell. Goldleaf selected ULTRE-based imagesetters for eXTRASET due to its large installed base (over 6,000 worldwide), reliable performance, ease-of-use, and extreme cost effectiveness. eXTRASET is available as a complete software and imagesetter package and can be purchased directly from Goldleaf or through Goldeaf's authorized VARs and VADs. The eXTRASET solutions include a license from NeXT Computer, Inc. and Adobe Systems, Inc. to use their Display PostScript Level 2 language, which is included with NeXT Computers. Privately held Goldleaf Publishing is a leading developer of NeXT and Atari system solutions for the publishing and graphic arts industries. eXTRASET is Goldleaf's fourth release in their complete line of publishing solutions for computers running NeXTSTEP. Other products include eXTRASCAN, eXTRACOLOR, and eXTRACAL. Future Goldleaf products will include software and hardware solutions for color input and output devices. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Goldleaf, Goldleaf Imagesetter, eXTRACOLOR, eXTRACAL, eXTRASCAN, and eXTRASET are trademarks of Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. ULTRE is a registered trademark of the ULTRE division of Linotype Hell. Other products and companies mentioned are trademarked by their respective companies. Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. 700 Larkspur Landing Circle, Suite 199 Larkspur, CA 94939 Phone: (415) 257-3515 Fax: (415) 454-8106
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Announcing eXTRASCAN Scanning for NeXTSTEP and Epson GT Scanners Message-ID: <6378@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 26 Jan 93 21:10:28 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software For Immediate Release Contact: John Fox, V.P. Marketing Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. Voice: (415) 257-3513 Fax: (415) 454-8106 Goldleaf eXTRASCAN and Epson GT Scanners: A Powerful Scanning Solution for NeXTSTEP Color Publishing LARKSPUR, Calif. - Goldleaf Publishing announced the release of eXTRASCAN, a scanner driver software package for use with Epson GT-series scanners and any computer running NeXTSTEP. eXTRASCAN fills a unique niche in the NeXT market, because it is very fast and because it fully exploits every hardware option available on the Epson scanners. Additionally, all of the scanner specific hardware functions are performed while scanning the image, rather than after the image has been captured. Hardware features include color correction, gamma correction, and halftone screening. The hardware screening function is especially noteworthy because it lets users produce superior halftones on the NeXT laser printer. By using the scanner's hardware based corrections, eXTRASCAN is able to achieve the maximum scan quality of an image with no loss of speed. eXTRASCAN is also the only scanner driver currently available for NeXTSTEP that automatically supports the Epson GT-8000 scanner (which is available in Europe and will be available in the United States shortly). This is an important development for NeXT users because the GT-8000 offers custom hardware gamma correction and hardware image sharpening. The GT-8000 also offers a transparency scanning option, which is perfect for transparencies, X-rays, and other non-reflective media. eXTRASCAN has a very elegant and simple user interface. Upon startup, eXTRASCAN opens only two panels, the main scan panel and the extended settings panel. The user can control all hardware features with the options available on these two panels. eXTRASCAN saves in TIFF and EPS file formats, and supports the JPEG, LZW, and PackBits compression methods. The program can also be called by other applications through the NeXTSTEP Services menu. Goldleaf sells eXTRASCAN as either a standalone product with a suggested list price of $XXX, or bundled with an Epson GT-6000 scanner for a suggested list price of approximately $XXX. Privately held Goldleaf Publishing is a leading developer of NeXT and Atari system solutions for the publishing and graphic arts industries. eXTRASCAN is Goldleaf's first release in it's complete line of publishing solutions for computers running NeXTSTEP. Other products include eXTRACOLOR, eXTRACAL, and eXTRASET. Future Goldleaf products will include software and hardware solutions for output to the Goldleaf Imagesetter and to various color output devices. Epson and GT 4000, GT 6000, and GT 8000 are trademarks or registered trademarks of Seiko Epson Corporation. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Goldleaf, eXTRASCAN, eXTRACOLOR, eXTRACAL and eXTRASET are trademarks of Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. 700 Larkspur Landing Circle, Suite 199 Larkspur, CA 94939 Phone: (415) 257-3515 Fax: (415) 454-8106
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Re: Information on ordering NeXT 3.0 Documentation from Addison-Wesley Message-ID: <1993Jan26.160252.18662@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 References: <1k202vINNcil@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:02:52 GMT In <1k202vINNcil@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) writes: >Can anyone provide me with ordering information for the NeXT 3.0 >documentation I'm still happy to sell complete sets (8 books) for $224.06 with free U.S. shipping, which probably brings the over-all discount to 20% or so from the base 15% implicit in our special Usenet price. All orders must be paid in advance (by check, Visa, or MasterCard) to receive that price. Regular pricing: We also give free shipping on orders for individual titles or for other Addison-Wesley books (eg., the PostScript books) ordered at the same time, with a 5% discount if the total order exceeds $60 at list price and a 10% discount if it exceeds $240. If you need additional information (within reason, like a price list; this is just a sideline and a favor to Usenet readers), please let me know. We prefer to receive orders by e-mail, but they should include phone and, if available, fax numbers too, because questions arise and people make typing mistakes. I am no longer taking orders for the Garfinkel/Mahoney book because it was too time-consuming and difficult handling our first 105 copies. If you really want that series, Springer-Verlag, the publisher, will be happy to sell to you directly; then you can call _them_ instead of calling me when they don't ship as promised. I can't spare that much of my assistant's time or my own. Regards, - Irving -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com Happy Man Corp. 206/463-9399 x101 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 fax x108 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info free; sample $20. Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: NeXT Computer, Inc. (was Re: Business Week article) Message-ID: <1993Jan27.013935.3249@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <1993Jan26.182207.198723@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:39:35 GMT It doesn't make any sense for NeXT to abandon their hardware product line nor is it something they can just do without serious perhaps fatal injury. What is really happening is that NeXTSTEP is going head to head against Windows NT and it's going to get bloody. Fortunately, NeXT happens to have great ammunition. NeXT's competitors would love it if NeXT dropped it's hardware line. Realistically, NeXT has and should continue to put the "emphasis" on software and keep relatively competitive hardware. In other words, they don't have lead in price/performance hardware but their software has to be killer. Furthermore, I expect NeXT's hardware line to go high-end leaving the low-end to other hardware manufacturers. BTW - Take this on good authority: If you have any doubts about NeXT, stay tuned - you're in for a big surprise. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies In article <1993Jan26.182207.198723@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes: > In article <C1ArLs.A1C@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu > (Philip McDunnough) writes: > > In article <1993Jan22.081439.24884@btree.uucp> bly@btree.uucp (Roger > Bly) writes: > > > > [ ] > > > > > >Really looks like Steve is going to have to dump the hardware business > > >to keep NeXT and NeXTStep going. With deals in the works with Compaq, > > >HP, etc. It looks like NeXT will be a software company by the end of > the year. > > >But of course, software is where all the value/money is! > > > > In my opinon dropping out of the hardware business would be a terrible > > mistake and a very real setback in computing to those who don't only > care > > about speed. > > > > [ ] > > > > Philip McDunnough > > University of Toronto > > philip@utstat.toronto.edu > > It is my feeling that a poliferation of NS on various platforms will help > not hinder the sale of NeXThardware. As NS becomes more accepted and > people decide to go with it as on os then there will shurely be those > people(companies) who will pay to get their hardware and os from the same > source. If a company has a video problem and has to deal with both NeXT > and some bizar 3rd party video card manufacturer to solve it that could > represent more time/money that just going to NeXT. > -- > -Mont > > NeXTmail OK :-) > President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group) > mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Date: 27 Jan 1993 05:14:12 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k55n4INNj01@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1993Jan24.190616.8512@athena.mit.edu> Keywords: Display PostScript In article <1993Jan24.190616.8512@athena.mit.edu> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: | In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu>, daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) writes: | |> SunSoft is announcing their intention to use Display PostScript | |> today at the X Conference in Boston. Once again NeXT leads the way! [press release deleted] | Does this mean that we will be able to use a sun as a terminal for NeXTStep... as | they both will use DPS as a windowing model or am I just being simple minded? | | john. No, but it would make it a lot simpler to code :-). -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <gfNVIM200WB3QHXHhM@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:52:40 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: How to convert BSD a.out files to Mach files using atom In-Reply-To: <93Jan26.222117.22821@acs.ucalgary.ca> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 26-Jan-93 How to convert BSD a.out fi.. by Michael Sepa@enel.ucalga > I have an executable file on a SUN computer and I want to use > atom to convert it to an executable on my NeXT. I have tried > to use: > > >atom a.out machfile > > and then execute the machfile: > > >machfile > Segmentation fault > > [ ...munch...] > > I have studied the atom man page, but I don't have a clue. Could > some kind person show me the light? Maybe I don't know what > atom is supposed to do. I thought it could convert executables. Atom converts executables and object files compiled for the NeXT in the BSD4.3 a.out format into the Mach-O format. There is no way that it is going to be able to convert an executable compiled for a different machine into something runable on the NeXT. (Why? Amoung many reasons, the Sun executable likely was compiled for a different *CPU* than the 680x0...) You will have to get the source code to whatever it is and recompile it for the program to run on your NeXT. (Sorry...) -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
From: trung@cs.bu.edu (Trung Dung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: how to ftp a whole directory? Message-ID: <108422@bu.edu> Date: 27 Jan 93 05:35:49 GMT Sender: news@bu.edu Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Originator: trung@cs Hi, Could you please tell me how to ftp a directory? In particular, I'm interested in getting the SimonSays stuff from sonata. I'm sorry if this is not the appropriate group for this :-) Trung.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hallan@cix.compulink.co.uk (Hugh Allan) Subject: Cookie Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:59:00 +0000 Message-ID: <memo.898415@cix.compulink.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk I have donated Cookie, my ShareWare fortune cookie program, to the public domain. I don't have the time to maintain it(I'm working on a ShareWare beasty called NeXTCom. (Raw Data/XMODEM/XMODEM CRC/YMODEM/YMODEMG/1KXMODEM/1KXMODEM/CIS-B/ZMODEM/ANSI-BBS /TTY/Capture/Scrollback/Dial Directory/GIF Decoding/Macros/etc. Cool if I say so myself). Cookie is now completely PD, as long as I get some sort of credit you can do what you want with it. Cookie features: Multiple Cookie Files Supports two different cookie file formats Display cookies on timer Kill program after user set amount of time Font setting Full manual Available on the nova.cc.purdue.edu as Cookie.compressed under submissions. The binary version is available on 2.0/demos --- Hugh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Pixel Magician Message-ID: <1993Jan26.231504.21852@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Jan25.222434.6950@gossip.urich.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:15:04 GMT In article <1993Jan25.222434.6950@gossip.urich.edu> littlepg@plato.NOHOST.NODOMAIN (bob littlepage) writes: >> >>Somehow a demo copy of Pixel Magicican was loaded into our Nextstations >>and now Pixel Magician comes up as the print previewer on all our Nextstations. >>How do I remove the link to Pixel Magician so that the original previewer comes >>up? >> >>Thanks, >>bobel Select any file with a .ps extension in the WorkSpace. Press command-3. Select the application icon that you wish to be the default and click 'set default". Happy happy happy! -- Ronald Pomeroy "The Internet is just a giant petri dish" Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <1993Jan27.063813.16007@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1k4udc$1cb@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:38:13 GMT In article <1k4udc$1cb@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > Recent prices of local bus 486 machines are amazing. > And NS486 will sell the top of the line machines for them. > > Certainly not all dealers will jump in, but enough will to eat into > NeXT's hardware sales. Assuming NeXT doesn't change it's hardware line and pricing, which seems to be assuming a lot to me... -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mo@mg.stu.rpi.edu (Monish Gopinath) Subject: Read if you work in the MIS Dept. Message-ID: <shq3p9j@rpi.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:45:57 GMT I am trying to get some information on the issue of security in a MIS department for a paper I'm writing. (1) Is security an issue? (2) Why or why not? (3) How is it addressed in the dept.? (4) How is it implemented? If you can give me any other information related to security I would appreciate it. P.S. Could you include the size of your MIS dept. and (if you don't mind) the name of the organization you work for. Thank you. -- _ _ __ / \ / / / / / / / __/ (NeXT-mail preferred)
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Tiny.n (from the S & M book) Message-ID: <1993Jan27.052058.124126@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 27 Jan 93 05:20:58 GMT Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo I entered the Tiny.m program in chp. 4 of the book but when I compile I get the following warnings. Tiny.m: In function `demo': Tiny.m:20: warning: unused variable `g' Tiny.m:20: warning: unused variable `f' When I run the program the myWindow and myMenu come up but the graphic is not displayed. Has anyone else had this problem? Am I doing someting wrong or is it a bug? -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: bjorn@darmok.uoregon.edu (Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Questions about PasteUp Date: 27 Jan 1993 10:03:37 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Message-ID: <1k5mlpINNq31@pith.uoregon.edu> Hi, I'm using a demo version of PasteUp, and I am having some problems. 1) how do you make a template (and how do you use it :)? 2) how do you insert a plain text/rtf document? 3) how do you get it to insert pages as you need new ones (prefferably using your template :) So far I like PasteUp, but I get lost and I can't seem to figure out anything *sigh*. I have to return to FrameMaker everytime I need something out fast... BTW, what's with the "you can't do that... RTFM at page x" message (gently paraphrased :) --bjorn ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen bjorn@doek.uoregon.edu NextMail Welcomed #include <std-disclaimer.h> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: brandner@dia.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Mirko Brandner) Subject: No printing with WriteNow possible Message-ID: <1993Jan27.100028.2690@ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Originator: brandner@dia Sender: news@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Organization: Informatik, Uni Stuttgart, W.Germany Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:00:28 GMT Hi to all you blackbiest addicts, please help me with my little problem. I cannot print from WriteNow any longer. It happened all the sudden that after pressing the Print button in the print panel I got ( and still get ) an error message. After I click OK in the poped up panel the mouse pointer is spinning wildly and the text cursor shows the same strange behaviour. Every other printing works just fine.So I took my backup copy of WN. And the same strange things happen. Only running WN under root is possible, any other account won't do. To see more error messages I started WN from a shelland I get pages of the following : DPS client library error: cannot write to connection context ????? Hey, what is going on here , does NS refuse to print for WN :-) ? As I said any other app is working. Are there any hidden files etc.? I scanned the default database and the whole disk, couldn't find anything! I use WN 2.0 from the NS 2.1 under NS3.0. Please answer soon, thanks in advance, Mirko. Mirko Brandner, Senefeldetstr. 102 , 7000 Stuttgart 1, Germany, +49711 6364432
From: Gary.I..Chang@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Gary I. Chang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SLIPCOMMANDER 2.0 SUBMITTED TO ARCHIVE SITE Message-ID: <142116.2B65A510@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 25 Jan 93 19:42:00 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/236 - MacCircles, Genesee CO -- Gary I. Chang - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gary.I..Chang@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: NeXT Users' Choice Award Winners 1992 (LONG) Message-ID: <2B656702.3CFC@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <Jan.25.20.49.06.1993.22671@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 16:29:53 GMT John Kheit writes > Game------------------------------------------------------- > 1. AcChen > ... My top score is 3552 ... Sheri Horiuchi has 3557, our tops around here ... how do these compare with others? I AM! Mark R. Thomsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) Subject: Mac to NeXTprinter ? Message-ID: <1993Jan27.133747.481@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:37:47 GMT Who can comment on decent solutions for printing on the NeXTprinter from a Macintosh with Ethernet. I understand that there is a software called uShare that would do it and more. Are there any reasonable Berkeley line printer implementations that would make the NeXTprinter appear in the Mac chooser ? Thanks in Advance -Florian -- Florian Gutzwiller Tel: +41 61 262 05 10, Fax: +41 61 262 05 10 Open Systems AG, Basel flog@Open.CH Switzerland S=gutzwiller;O=open;P=EUnet=A=EUnet;C=CH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: tas@engr.ucf.edu (Taha Sidani) Subject: Using NeXT CD-ROM drive on a pc Message-ID: <1993Jan27.135434.440@cs.ucf.edu> Sender: news@cs.ucf.edu (News system) Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:54:34 GMT I am interested in using my NeXT CD-ROM on my 486/33 ISA. Is it possible? I have an IDE HD card currently in. I heard that you can add a SCSI card without conflict. What type of SCSI card do I need, and what does it cost ? where can I obtain a cheap card? How about software drivers? I posted this previously on comp.sys.next.hardware but got no replies. thanks for your time please relpy to taha@ists.engr.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane) Subject: Re: Questions about PasteUp Message-ID: <C1Io2B.AFw@newsflash.concordia.ca> Sender: usenet@newsflash.concordia.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec References: <1k5mlpINNq31@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:25:22 GMT In article <1k5mlpINNq31@pith.uoregon.edu> bjorn@darmok.uoregon.edu (Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen) writes: >Hi, >I'm using a demo version of PasteUp, and I am having some problems. > >1) how do you make a template (and how do you use it :)? >2) how do you insert a plain text/rtf document? >3) how do you get it to insert pages as you need new ones (prefferably using >your template :) > >So far I like PasteUp, but I get lost and I can't seem to figure out anything >*sigh*. I have to return to FrameMaker everytime I need something out fast... Sorry to bother, but how does one get a Demo copy. I finally have enough disk space to try a few programs out ... and PasteUp seem an inevitable choice .... >BTW, what's with the "you can't do that... RTFM at page x" message (gently >paraphrased :) Nonone ever said Glenn and Co. were subtle :) > >--bjorn > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen >bjorn@doek.uoregon.edu NextMail Welcomed >#include <std-disclaimer.h> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +---------------------------------+ ___ ___ ___ | Stephane I. Matis | / \_BATLLETECH /\__\ Viva NeXT! | E-Mail : kgnome@cs.concordia.ca | \___/ \___/ \/__/ NeXTSTEP 3.0! | "It Just Works..." - Steve Jobs | \___/ +---------------------------------+ Wolfnet Operative & NeXThead
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Cheapo 2.88MB floppy disks Message-ID: <1993Jan27.141440.5702@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <1993Jan25.191210.15846@galois.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:14:40 GMT In article <1993Jan25.191210.15846@galois.mit.edu> dnp@phragmen.mit.edu (Dan Port) writes: > I thought it might be of interest to let you know that Cube Route now offers > Extended Density 2.88MB floppy disks for less than half the cost of Toshiba > disks. Of course, they also sell the floppy drives that use them! You can > reach them at 1-800-CUBE-RTE. Bug them, they like it. Anybody have an international (phone, fax, email) address for Cube Route? I checked the FAQ but didn't find it. Tanks in advance (panic! :-) -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de), NeXTmail welcome Looks good on the outside, but - intel inside
From: shin@sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp (Sugou Shinichirou) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ZyXEL vs. Supra Message-ID: <SHIN.93Jan27015456@sgtp.sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp> Date: 26 Jan 93 16:54:56 GMT References: <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> Sender: shin@sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp Organization: SG Total Planning, Japan In-reply-to: g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca's message of 20 Jan 93 07:21:22 JST In article <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) writes: Path: sgtp!lkbreth!wnoc-tyo-news!nec-tyo!nec-gw!sgiblab!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!news From: g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 20 Jan 93 07:21:22 JST Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) Organization: University of Western Ontario Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: student.business.uwo.ca I am ready to go with one of these fax modems and I want to hear what people's experiences with them are, since I am not familiar with either modem. Which do people 'in the know' recommend? Any horror stories? It is clear that ZyXEL is much much better than any other modems (including Supra) if you use NXFax driver. -- Shin'ichirou Sugou (NeXTmail acceptable)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Questions about PasteUp Message-ID: <1993Jan27.180041.8503@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1k5mlpINNq31@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:00:41 GMT Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen writes > 1) how do you make a template (and how do you use it :)? > 2) how do you insert a plain text/rtf document? > 3) how do you get it to insert pages as you need new ones (prefferably > using your template :) I'll give it a shot, and let Glenn correct my mistakes :-). A template is simply a document that contains only master pages, and is saved and then made read-only. Double-click on it to start up PasteUp, and use the Save As command immediately. To be extra safe, place the template inside a directory that doesn't have write permission (you'll temporarily have to turn it on to move the .pub file in there...). As for placing text, cut and paste from Edit. For some reason (Glenn?) Edit's Service->Replace Selection menu item is dimmed out, which is what I would normally use for putting text and RTF inside of another program. Auto-growing of pages is simple - simply have your text columns as auto-link columns in the Master Layer. That is, go to the Master Layer, and drag out a text column. Go back to the pages layer and start typeing in that column. Since it's auto-linked to the next page (by drawing it in the master layer and leaving it unlinked), you will also have a page added automatically when you get to the next page. If you've not been using master pages, you should learn a little about them. Personally, I've found PasteUp to be the most intuitive page layout program I've ever used (have you tried alt-arrows, and shift-alt-arrows for kerning?). And it'll only get better... -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer Message-ID: <1993Jan27.180322.8620@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <yaq36ld@rpi.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:03:22 GMT nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > I'm going to catch hell for now knowing this, but... > How can a user "inform" the FileViewer that files with certain > extensions should have a corresponding app selected as the default > launch app? It's easy enough to select an app already displayed > in the Tools panel of the inspector, but how does one add a new > choice? Dragging an icon into that area doesn't seem to work (it > should!)... Well, I either use SegHoaker, pull the header table out, modify it, and shove it back in. Or I use a little Distributor utility I wrote (similar to Opener, I think) which reads in a file that maps extensions to applications, make it the DefaultOpenApp for the Workspace, and have it farm out the opening of files the Workspace doesn't understand. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: Quotes and humor Message-ID: <1993Jan27.182333.9214@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:23:33 GMT Humor first - "Step out of the way Sun, let me get a good sucker puch at MicroSoft", NeXT. Quote from USA Today today regarding the departure of IBM CEO John Akers. "As the CEO search ensues, IBM will look within its ranks, but the betting is that the board will reach for an outsider like former HP Ceo John Young or even a relative radical like legendary Apple co-founder Steve jobs. "Sure I'd be interested", says Jobs, who now runs NeXT. "They have a ton of good people." - Apple co-founder Steve Jobs. -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca (Peter Karbaliotis) Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. Message-ID: <1993Jan27.163030.2486@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <7461@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:30:30 GMT In article <7461@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: >I have given up attempting to submit the Gnu gcc 2.3.3 compiler to sonata. >There just isnt enough room, even now that the old gcc version seems to have >been removed. > >Do any of the other major submission sites have significantly more room (at >least 5 Mb left)? > > >-- >Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 >Center for Computer Music Research and Composition >University of California, Santa Barbara >Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu> In the submissions directory on sonata: -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp 379 Jul 10 1992 Mods-Volume1.readme -rw-r--r-- 1 ftp 6605537 Jul 10 1992 Mods-Volume1.tar.Z The latter file is just a collection of mods from wuarchive.wustl.edu. Other files that could be removed are the 16.6 Meg of sound files in sounds/snd. Many of them seem to have come from alt.binaries.sounds.misc and are probably archived at other sites (like wuarchive). -- Peter Karbaliotis - peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca - NeXTmail ok When a particle you don't even know gives you momentum, that's impulse.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Cheapo 2.88MB floppy disks Message-ID: <1993Jan27.185222.23810@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jan27.141440.5702@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:52:22 GMT In article <1993Jan27.141440.5702@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: > > Extended Density 2.88MB floppy disks for less than half the cost of Toshiba > > disks. Of course, they also sell the floppy drives that use them! You can > > reach them at 1-800-CUBE-RTE. Bug them, they like it. > > Anybody have an international (phone, fax, email) address for Cube Route? > I checked the FAQ but didn't find it. The Cube Rte (617) 876-8554 -- Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: David.Kelman@launchpad.unc.edu (David Kelman) Subject: Workspace multi-volume save Message-ID: <1993Jan27.193314.11224@samba.oit.unc.edu> Sender: usenet@samba.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:33:14 GMT I tested out NS 3.0's ability to save a file too large for one floppy. I had tarred and compressed a directory, which ended up to be just about 8 Meg. I then saved it to a floppy, and workspace properly asked for more disks, etc. The problem is that it required four entire floppies to perform the save. The original file would have filled a touch more than three floppies, but somehow the split file grew by about 2 Meg! Should I not have compressed it first, as Workspace claims to compress it before saving it? What is taking up all this space? David Kelman -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: tyf@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tin Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where can I find f2c? Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:59:22 GMT Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility Where can I find the f2c compiler? I can find it at purdue. Or better, can someone NeXTmail me a copy? Thanks. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k6piq$bse@agate.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmeacham@world.std.com (James Meacham) Subject: Downloading mail by modem? Message-ID: <C1J374.6p4@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:52:14 GMT Since I don't have my NeXT connected to a network (mine is a solitary and lonely machine) I have a dial-up internet accout. Is there any way to download mail files and read them in 3.0's Mail.app? I've tried this with pine and mm mailbox files, but I get a message that "this mailbox is of an old type". I've wriiten a script that auotmates the download process, but it's pretty useless if I can't read the files.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pencom Software Seeks 10 NeXT Engineers (NEast, Midwest, West, Canada) Message-ID: <6544@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 27 Jan 93 19:52:20 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Pencom Software Seeks 10 NeXT Engineers Location: North America (Northeast, Midwest, Texas, West, Canada) For more information, contact: Clint Tomlinson (Manager, NeXT Recruiting) Pencom Software 9050 Capital of Texas Highway North Austin, Texas 78759 Telephone: 512-343-1111 Fax: 512/346-6444 E-Mail: clint@pencom.com AUSTIN, TEXAS - January 27, 1993 - Pencom Software's team of NeXT engineers are specifically dedicated to serving both developers and end user organizations equipped with workstations and software from NeXT Computer, Incorporated. Already a NeXT-authorized systems integrator as well as a registered NeXT software developer, Pencom is expanding the service to capitalize on the growth NeXT has recently experienced. Pencom Software is a division of Pencom Systems Incorporated, a New York-based firm providing software engineering and manpower resources to Fortune 500 companies and leading computer firms since 1973. Currently the largest recruiting firm specializing in the UNIX/Open Systems market, Pencom employs over 500 people and maintains a large heterogeneous network of workstations including more than 70 NeXT machines. For more information, contact: Clint Tomlinson - Manager, NeXT Recruiting Pencom Software 9050 Capital of Texas Highway North Austin, Texas 78759 Telephone: 512-343-1111 Fax: 512/346-6444 E-Mail: clint@pencom.com These positions below are available in the United States and Canada and require permanent residence and 2+ years industry experience: Texas 1- Senior Database Specialist * 5+ years database design and database applications development experience * 3 years application development experience in a UNIX environment * 2 years DBMS experience using an SQL-based DBMS * 1+ year applications experience in the NeXTSTEP environment * Strong background in proposal generation, system specification, third-party software evaluation, technology transfer, rapid prototyping * Experience with AppKit, DBKit, NeXTSTEP 3.0, OOD, C++, Objective-C * GUI and Porting experience Northeast 3 - Development Technical Leads * Strong NeXTSTEP applications development experience * Strong UNIX/C, database programming (Sybase, Oracle, Informix) * Experience with Objective-C, AppKit, Interface Builder * High level applications design and rapid prototyping in NeXT environment * Project/Technical lead experience * Good interpersonal skills (oral and written) * Technical support/OOP, OOD methodology transfer capabilities * 6 to 10 years computer industry experience 1 - System Administrator * NeXT/Sun/UNIX system administration experience * Network Management background * Objective-C or C++ experience * Background in a heterogeneous systems environment a must 1 - Software Engineer * NeXT/UNIX application software development * Strong NeXTSTEP, AppKit, Interface Builder experience * High level design, rapid prototyping in NeXT environment * Ability to work in a dynamic team environment * Strong Objective-C or C++ programming experience * 5 to 8 years experience West 1 - Senior Database Specialist * 5+ years database design and database applications development experience (strong ORACLE experience) * 3 years application development experience in a UNIX environment * 2 years DBMS experience using an SQL-based DBMS * 2+ year applications experience in the NeXTSTEP environment * Experience with AppKit, DBKit, NeXTSTEP 3.0, OOD, Objective-C Mid-West 1 - Senior Systems Engineer * Provide NeXT applications development and support assistance * Project Management/Project Lead experience * Very strong interpersonal skills, technical marketing experience a plus * Technology transfer of OOD, OOP methodologies * NeXTSTEP, Appkit, DBKit, Objective-C or C++ * 6 to 10 years experience Canada 2 - NeXT Contract Engineers * Strong NeXTSTEP applications development experience * Strong UNIX, Objective-C, C++ programming * AppKit, Interface Builder, DBKit experience required * Strong DBMS experience * Transfer of NeXT technology * Software training or teaching experience * 6 to 10 years experience Sorry, these positions require permanent residence and 2+ years industry experience...Thank you for your understanding... More positions available soon!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: How to convert BSD a.out files to Mach files using atom In-Reply-To: Charles William Swiger's message of Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:52:40 -0500 To: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jan27081725@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <gfNVIM200WB3QHXHhM@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:17:25 GMT In article <gfNVIM200WB3QHXHhM@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: Atom converts executables and object files compiled for the NeXT in the BSD4.3 a.out format into the Mach-O format. There is no way that it is going to be able to convert an executable compiled for a different machine into something runable on the NeXT. (Why? Amoung many reasons, the Sun executable likely was compiled for a different *CPU* than the 680x0...) You will have to get the source code to whatever it is and recompile it for the program to run on your NeXT. (Sorry...) Not quite. Actually it has been done with Sun binaries, but all instances I remember have been two aeons (ie. operating system versions) or more ago. Of course the initial binary has to be a Sun-3 binary (ie. 680x0 code) and it certainly has to be statically linked (aren't all Sun-3 binaries ?). Doubtlessly there also are plenty of programming constructs which break this, and possibly the black magic which is needed to make it work is gone from modern NeXT OS distributions. All I am saying is that it has been done. Carl Edman
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Announcing NoteBook: Information Processing Application for NeXTSTEP Keywords: Millennium Software Labs, NoteBook, NeXT, NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <6547@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 27 Jan 93 23:22:41 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Millennium Software Labs Defines Emerging Application Category on NeXTSTEP Computers Contact: Jayson Adams, CEO, or Scott Love, President Millennium Software Labs 1010 El Camino Real, Suite 300 Menlo Park, CA, 94025 (415) 321-3720 Phone (415) 321-3650 Fax Email: info@millennium.com Company introduces NoteBook, an object-oriented software application that improves information processing productivity for individuals MENLO PARK, California, January 27, 1993 - Millennium Software Labs announced today that NoteBook, its new breakthrough software application for the NeXTSTEP operating system, shipped last week. The product defines information processing, an emerging application category for personal productivity and information management on commercial desktop systems. Jayson Adams, Millennium's CEO, Chief Scientist and co-founder, remarked, "We met our original goal of first customer ship by January, 1993 and we're very proud of this achievement. NoteBook marks an important milestone in the NeXTSTEP marketplace as well. NeXTSTEP's outstanding object-oriented architecture allowed us to develop and deliver a high-quality commercial application with just over 9 person-months of development time, an impossible accomplishment under any other software development environment available today. NoteBook for NeXTSTEP clearly demonstrates that NeXT holds an important commercial lead over Microsoft, IBM, Apple and the rest of the software industry in delivering on the promise of object-oriented technology. It's worldclass and it's available today." NoteBook is a new product for an emerging application category that Millennium defines as information processing. Scott Love, Millennium's President and co-founder explains, "Individuals have a great need to store, organize, and retrieve unstructured information, and yet no real tools exist to directly assist them with this task. For example, electronic mail inundates users with information of varying importance, and no simple way exists to clip and store portions of messages, and then later retrieve them. The beauty of NoteBook is that rather than forcing users to conform to computer-oriented information management, such as a typical database system, NoteBook presents users with very familiar metaphors so that storing and organizing information is simple, and then works with a user's associative memory processes to help them retrieve the stored information." NoteBook has been designed for users seeking a convenient way to manage and organize the everyday flow of information and ideas. It's a revolutionary application whose power comes from two breakthroughs. First, NoteBook uniquely combines an outline processor for creating lists of information with a visual notebook metaphor for managing these lists. Together, they make storing and organizing information simple and elegant. Second, NoteBook employs "Dynamic Index Views technology" (Patent Pending 1992), allowing users to instantly view "cross-sections" of their information. It's like having the power of a sophisticated database query system without the complexity. NoteBook's simplicity and flexibility make it applicable to a wide range of information processing tasks. Users can create intelligent notepads for jotting notes and ideas; clip and store important electronic mail messages for fast retrieval; or even organize fax documents, news clippings, project tasks, agenda outlines, to-do lists, meeting notes and diagrams. Whenever users start a new project or plan, chances are they'll use NoteBook to help manage their information flow. NoteBook is truly a productivity application for individuals. "We ran an extensive test drive program to determine what NoteBook applications users would create and why," said Mr. Adams. "The results indicate that NoteBook has several key productivity applications, and that our customers will continually discover unique uses. The response from key NeXTSTEP customers has been very positive and enthusiastic. We fully expect users and large organizations to add NoteBook to their application suites immediately." In addition to helping individuals manage personal information, NoteBook is a powerful tool for publishing and sharing information within a group. Groups can store and display electronic libraries of images, charts and graphs. They can create telephone directories, company policy handbooks and briefing books, accessible through network file libraries. And individuals can easily distribute NoteBook-stored information just by clicking and dragging. Whether an individual or an enterprise- wide team, NoteBook promises to dramatically improve the way people access and utilize information. Millennium products are sold direct to qualified corporate customers as well as through authorized resellers. Customers can order products today by calling 800 732-9009, or by contacting Millennium at their offices in Menlo Park, CA at (415) 321-3720. Millennium Software Labs, Inc. is a privately-held startup founded by Jayson Adams and Scott Love, former employees of NeXT Computer, Inc. Millennium develops and markets personal productivity software for NeXTSTEP-based computer systems. The company's mission is to develop state-of-the-art applications for information management. Product design and architecture are based entirely on NeXTSTEP, the most advanced object-oriented software technology available today. For more information about this press release, contact Jayson Adams, CEO, or Scott Love, President. Millennium Software Labs is located at 1010 El Camino Real, Suite 300, Menlo Park, CA, 94025. Phone: (415)321-3720, Fax:(415) 321-3650, Email: info@millennium.com. Keywords: computers, technology, software, Millennium Software Labs, NoteBook, NeXT, NeXTSTEP c 1993 Millennium Software Labs, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Dynamic Index Views, Engage! and the Millennium logo are trademarks of Millennium Software Labs, Inc. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Any and all other brand names are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners.
From: eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee Furnival) Subject: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: University of California, Irvine Date: 27 Jan 93 20:46:20 GMT I just picked up the Feb. issue of UnixWorld because they have some big thing on the Microsoft's Windows NT and how it will affect those in the UNIX community. All of the sub-articles to this cover story basically revolved around the concept of operating systems and which ones are better and/or easier nad on and on and on.... Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, did I see NeXT or NeXTStep mentioned. They talked about Solaris and how it will be or is (I can't remember) ported to x86 and how great all of these OSs are and basically a bunch of crap. So here they are talking about the next generation of operating systems and how NT will dominate and UNIX better get their act together and how cool Solaris is but never once did anyone say anything about NeXTStep! Now I must admit that I do not read UNIXWorld regularly, but the few times that I have read it I have never seen NeXT mentioned for any reason. What the hell? Also, I have yet to hear any UNIX freaks mention NeXT in a serious discussion, yet they live to talk about SUN and others... So, my question is why is NeXT ignored in particular by UNIXWolrd and many in the generic NeXT community?? Is it an economic thing, like NeXT doesn't buy ad space in these magazines? What gives? Lee Furnival eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Subject: Re: Tiny.n (from the S & M book) Message-ID: <1993Jan27.204046.197598@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo References: <1993Jan27.052058.124126@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:40:46 GMT In article <1993Jan27.052058.124126@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes: > I entered the Tiny.m program in chp. 4 of the book but when I compile I > get the following warnings. > > Tiny.m: In function `demo': > Tiny.m:20: warning: unused variable `g' > Tiny.m:20: warning: unused variable `f' > > When I run the program the myWindow and myMenu come up but the graphic is > not displayed. Has anyone else had this problem? Am I doing someting > wrong or is it a bug? > > -- > -Mont > > NeXTmail OK :-) > President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group) > mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu Thanks to everyone for the help. I seem to have put a space between the * and / in the proceeding comment. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Rob Tibshirani) Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <C1I5xq.BGB@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Jan26.182207.198723@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1k4udc$1cb@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:53:50 GMT In article <1k4udc$1cb@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: [ ] > >But then, at least in the NS486 market, it should be pretty easy for >a small clone maker to preload NS486 to their clone with tested >video cards, ethernet cards and hard disks. And guarantee that things >work. Loading NS486 to existing clones would be problematic, but >no one on the selling side is interested in that -- loads of troubles >and little money to be made. Why on earth will users flock to NS486 when they have yet to leave DOS? There are so many OS's on the PC that it's getting confusing at this point. In any case, NS486 is hardly going to make a dent in sales and users of DOS, Windows, OS/2. > >I would bet that NS486 would definitely eat into NeXT's hardware sales >because there are enough dealers that bend over backword to differentiate >themselves from the rest. Even with $600 price the dealers might >pay for NS486, they can slap together a 66MHz 486 machine that is >competitive with NeXT hardware, and preload NS486, with satisfaction >guaranteed or money back. >Recent prices of local bus 486 machines are amazing. >And NS486 will sell the top of the line machines for them. Why would NS486 sell the top of the line machines? There are already OS's out there for these machines that have a whole lot of applications now. I'm not saying that NS486 will fail. It will sell as a niche product. However, it would be foolish for NeXT to give up making hardware and to become a software vendor. That would really be the final straw. There's no reason to stop making NeXT hardware. Incidentally, which local bus are you referring to? I was under the impression that there was no standard set. Philip McDunnough philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CUBE ROUTE (Was: Cheapo 2.88MB floppy disks) Message-ID: <1993Jan27.231152.5168@athena.mit.edu> Date: 27 Jan 93 23:11:52 GMT References: <1993Jan25.191210.15846@galois.mit.edu> <1993Jan27.141440.5702@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology >In article <1993Jan25.191210.15846@galois.mit.edu> dnp@phragmen.mit.edu (Dan >Port) writes: >> I thought it might be of interest to let you know that Cube Route now offers >> Extended Density 2.88MB floppy disks for less than half the cost of Toshiba >> disks. Of course, they also sell the floppy drives that use them! You can >> reach them at 1-800-CUBE-RTE. Bug them, they like it. Also, I bought an external hard drive through CUBE ROUTE and I would reccommend cube route for hard drives as well as floppies. Their service was fast and friendly, they pre-formatted my drive, and the price was right. Eric
From: croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What newspaper is on the NewsGrazer icon? Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:01:33 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <1k748dINNa2b@cs.ubc.ca> Keywords: flake Looking at the unfolded newspaper on the NewsGrazer icon, it looks like something like "La****** Times" (Yow! It just folded up as I was typing this, and I can't get it back!) Does anyone know what it is? Anyone figure out when it unfolds? Other puzzlers: * What's that lead story with the picture of the forest fire devastation? * Just who is that letter addressed to in MailApp? Is that a U.S. or Canadian stamp (sure looks like the Queen to me). The Canadian Conspiracy continues... * Is that a BASIC program on the Terminal/Stuart monitor? Why are there line numbers? * Is that "Halliday and Resnick" second from the left in the Librarian bookshelf? Far and away too much spare time today, Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Workspace multi-volume save Message-ID: <C1J831.C7z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Computing Center References: <1993Jan27.193314.11224@samba.oit.unc.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:37:48 GMT In article <1993Jan27.193314.11224@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Kelman@launchpad.unc.edu (David Kelman) writes: > I tested out NS 3.0's ability to save a file too large for one >floppy. I had tarred and compressed a directory, which ended up to be >just about 8 Meg. I then saved it to a floppy, and workspace properly >asked for more disks, etc. The problem is that it required four entire >floppies to perform the save. The original file would have filled a touch >more than three floppies, but somehow the split file grew by about 2 Meg! >Should I not have compressed it first, as Workspace claims to compress it >before saving it? What is taking up all this space? Workspace compresses the file (or tars and compresses if it is more than one file, or a folder) before writing to the floppies, so, No, you should not have compressed the file first. Just drag the uncompressed file, folder or group of files/folders to the floppy. Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah. Look up." NeXT Mail accepted --
From: berteig@skorpio.usask.ca (Mishkin Berteig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HiddenWords update Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:03:55 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada Message-ID: <1k7bdrINNsr2@access.usask.ca> Hello Friends, The evolutionary cellular automata shareware program HiddenWords has been updated to version 1.10. These are the changes: - settable screen update rate - better grayscale support - bug fixes As well, the interface which will appear in version 2.00 has been added but is disabled in version 1.10. HiddenWords 1.10 can be found on sonata.cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu in their respective submissions directories. HiddenWords 1.10 requires NS2.x - it has not yet been tested for NS3.x . Due to some marketing counselling a friend has given me, the price to register both old copies of HiddenWords 1.00 and copies of HiddenWords 1.10 has been reduced from $20.00 $5.00. And the offer for significantly reduces prices on Beauty (image processing software) has been changed. -- I can do this because so far noone has registered HiddenWords 1.00 :-> - Many Thanks, Mishkin Berteig Millenium Virtual Industries email: berteig@before.usask.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: steggie!eric (Eric Fronberg) Subject: Compression for the archives ( was: Drive drive) Message-ID: <1993Jan27.170859.11489@steggie.mtview.ca.us> Sender: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us Organization: Mountain View, Ca USA References: <!#p30+=@rpi.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:08:59 GMT I've been watching from afar the discussions of Disk space vs a new compression technique used on the NeXT archives and wanted add some input of how to deal with additional compression on the archives. The source of FTP is generally available. Why not modify FTP do all the compressing/uncompressing on the users behalf. Any worthwhile compression scheme could be used (zip, gzip, perhaps even a command line version of squash, if it exists) A person submitting a file would just ftp it to an archive sight and ftp would pipe the file through some compression algorithm and onto the disk. Likewise when one extracts a file from the archive the file is decompressed (if it was compressed in the first place) and given to the user. This way the people submitting and the people retrieving data need never concern themselves with how the data is stored just that it's accessible. -- eric -------------------------------------------------------------- | Eric Fronberg | email: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us | | Mountain View CA | ...!{sun,sgi,ultra}!steggie!eric | | 415 967-2748 | vmail: "Hey, you!" | --------------------------------------------------------------
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:07:47 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k7f5j$h4h@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <C1I5xq.BGB@utstat.toronto.edu> In article <C1I5xq.BGB@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Rob Tibshirani) writes: In article <1k4udc$1cb@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: [ ] > >But then, at least in the NS486 market, it should be pretty easy for >>a small clone maker to preload NS486 to their clone with tested >>video cards, ethernet cards and hard disks. And guarantee that things >>work. Loading NS486 to existing clones would be problematic, but >>no one on the selling side is interested in that -- loads of troubles >>and little money to be made. > >Why on earth will users flock to NS486 when they have yet to leave DOS? There >are so many OS's on the PC that it's getting confusing at this point. In any >case, NS486 is hardly going to make a dent in sales and users of DOS, Windows, >OS/2. You are missing the point. Of course sales of PC clones with NS486 will not make any dent in the total PC sales. But even a 0.01 % of PC's sold to run NS486 will eat NeXT's hardware sales, because NeXT is selling that many in the first place. The point is how many users who would have bought NeXT hardware will instead buy 486 + NS486. That number can only be 10,000 to seriously hurt NeXT. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Email Change for John Kheit & monoChrome Inc Message-ID: <Jan.27.21.05.26.1993.22778@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 02:05:26 GMT References: <1993Jan14.102122.25236@macc.wisc.edu> <1993Jan17.174325.18609@squid9.cuc.ab.ca> <Jan.18.00.20.58.1993.6235@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi all, My szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu account will be going off line for at least a little while if not permantly. So, if you need to get in touch with me for any reason, please use my old and still valid account at: kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu Thanx, and take care later, John -- NeXT Campus Consultant---Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey |my %^) John Kheit/monoChrome | Opinions expressed represent me only! |fried %-) 173 Westgate Drive | Audix Voice Mail# (415) 366-0900 X5512 |brain %>) Edison, NJ 08820-1163 | kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu,szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Compression for the archives ( was: Drive drive) Message-ID: <1993Jan27.203720.2007@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <!#p30+=@rpi.edu> <1993Jan27.170859.11489@steggie.mtview.ca.us> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:37:20 GMT In article <1993Jan27.170859.11489@steggie.mtview.ca.us> eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us writes: >The source of FTP is generally available. Why not modify FTP do all >the compressing/uncompressing on the users behalf. Any worthwhile >compression scheme could be used (zip, gzip, perhaps even a command >line version of squash, if it exists) Yet Another Standard (YAS)? But your point is rendered moot, I think, by the next factoid: >A person submitting a file would just ftp it to an archive sight and >ftp would pipe the file through some compression algorithm and onto >the disk. Likewise when one extracts a file from the archive the >file is decompressed (if it was compressed in the first place) and >given to the user. One of the advantages of compression is that it saves connect time, which is something many people have to pay for in hard currency. In many cases it also saves bandwidth. For small files, these savings are not very significant, probably, but for big transfers (large files or whole directories) the savings can be pretty impressive. >This way the people submitting and the people retrieving data need >never concern themselves with how the data is stored just that it's >accessible. You've forgotten the Golden Rule: those with the gold make the rules. :-) -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer Message-ID: <63789@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 00:30:41 GMT References: <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes: > How can a user "inform" the FileViewer that files with certain > extensions should have a corresponding app selected as the default > launch app? It's easy enough to select an app already displayed in the > Tools panel of the inspector, but how does one add a new choice? Dragging > an icon into that area doesn't seem to work (it should!)... I havent tried this - but it may work. You could edit the iconheader file of the relevant app, using otool or SegHoarker if necessary to extract/replace it. (is that still necessary in 3.0?) you could write one of those new fangled 3.0 filter services to do any necessary conversion. FileViewer seems to treat executable files differently - letting you use Edit or Terminal as the default tool. I'ld prefer Stuart, but since the choice is not driven by the file extension - the above trick wont work. This is where using file extensions as types starts to break down. -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cmumford@iat.holonet.net (Chris Mumford) Subject: Re: how to ftp a whole directory? Message-ID: <C1JpGG.961@iat.holonet.net> Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem References: <108422@bu.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:53:03 GMT
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to convert BSD a.out files to Mach files using atom Message-ID: <63790@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 00:36:29 GMT References: <93Jan26.222117.22821@acs.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <93Jan26.222117.22821@acs.ucalgary.ca> sepa@enel.ucalgary.ca (Michael Sepa) writes: > I have an executable file on a SUN computer and I want to use > atom to convert it to an executable on my NeXT. [but get] Segmentation fault Is your Sun executable for a Motorola (Sun 3) or Sparc (Sun 4) ? I think atom only works for motorola programs. -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to set up a bulletin board... Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:22:41 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1k6uf1INNdjd@menudo.uh.edu> I need to submit a proposal urgently on the best way we could set up a bulletin board, but I don't have a clue as to how to research my various options. (1) I have a Next conveniently sitting in my office. How easy is it to get a modem and set up a bulletin board? (2) What public domain software exists for different platforms (PC's, unix, etc)? Please point me in the right direction for more information. Thanks. -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: ZyXEL vs. Supra Message-ID: <tlm.728189058@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> <SHIN.93Jan27015456@sgtp.sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp> <1993Jan28.005057.28136@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:44:18 GMT In <1993Jan28.005057.28136@fcom.cc.utah.edu> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities) writes: >> I am ready to go with one of these fax modems and I want to hear >> what people's experiences with them are, since I am not familiar with >> either modem. Which do people 'in the know' recommend? Any horror >> stories? >> >>It is clear that ZyXEL is much much better than any other modems >>(including Supra) if you use NXFax driver. >> >That may not be true. >I have ordered an eval copy of DFax from Dale Pratt. DFax is the NXFax >equivalent for Supra. >If DFax for Supra works as well as NXFax for ZyXEL, then a Supra is >equivalent to a ZyXEL for faxing, blowing whistles, etc.--at half the price. >-- DFax is wonderful, and there will be an updated version fairly shortly which will be even better. It installs straightforwardly --- of all their pre-order customers I had the *most* trouble getting mine to work, and it turned out to be a problem with my new Supra ROMs (which was my fault,not Supra's) --- and works transparently for FAX in, FAX out, dial in, Dial out, etc. I'll be installing SLIP soon (use tip now) and expect things to still be great! Only thing is, a Supra is not "half" of the price of ZyXEL, more like a $50 difference, maybe even less if you shop carefully. Sounds like two good ways to get FAXing for the NeXT. Long die Neuron! TLM >Yan Fang-Magnusson >Ph.D. candidate, philosophy, University of Utah >yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu >yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail)
From: billk@rose.apl.washington.edu (Bill Kooiman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compression for the archives ( was: Drive drive) Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:07:10 GMT Organization: University of Washington Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1k6q1eINNqai@shelley.u.washington.edu> References: <1993Jan27.170859.11489@steggie.mtview.ca.us> In article <1993Jan27.170859.11489@steggie.mtview.ca.us> steggie!eric (Eric Fronberg) writes: > I've been watching from afar the discussions of Disk space vs a new > compression technique used on the NeXT archives and wanted add some > input of how to deal with additional compression on the archives. > > The source of FTP is generally available. Why not modify FTP do all > the compressing/uncompressing on the users behalf. Any worthwhile > compression scheme could be used (zip, gzip, perhaps even a command > line version of squash, if it exists) ... > Wouldn't this lead to increased the traffic on the net? Because you would be sending uncompressed versions around. This would be especially difficult for people running via modems. --Bill
From: gregor@oit.itd.umich.edu (Gregor Purdy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compression for the archives (and FTP enhancements) Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:48:03 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1k6se3INNkec@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> You could have the ftp client on the user's side to all the compression and decompression. Thereby, the uncompressed version would never be sent over the net. You could even build a version of an ftp client that looked at the filename extensions on the files it was transferring and either automatically decompress or prompt the user for permission to decompress (a preference). Then, you could configure it to do any compression/decompression scheme you wanted by having it do call outs to filter programs. You'd just need a way to associate an extension with a filter program... --Gregor N. Purdy Contemporary Design Studios
From: gregor@oit.itd.umich.edu (Gregor Purdy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compression for the archives (and FTP enhancements) Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:46:54 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1k6sbuINNkdj@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <1k6q1eINNqai@shelley.u.washington.edu> In article <1k6q1eINNqai@shelley.u.washington.edu> billk@rose.apl.washington.edu (Bill Kooiman) writes: > > [... MUNCH ...] > > Wouldn't this lead to increased the traffic on the net? Because you would > be sending uncompressed versions around. This would be especially > difficult for people running via modems. > > --Bill You could have the ftp client on the user's side to all the compression and decompression. Thereby, the uncompressed version would never be sent over the net. You could even build a version of an ftp client that looked at the filename extensions on the files it was transferring and either automatically decompress or prompt the user for permission to decompress (a preference). Then, you could configure it to do any compression/decompression scheme you wanted by having it do call outs to filter programs. You'd just need a way to associate an extension with a filter program... --Gregor N. Purdy Contemporary Design Studios
From: gregor@oit.itd.umich.edu (Gregor Purdy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compression for the archives (and FTP enhancements) Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:47:10 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1k6sceINNkdo@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <1k6q1eINNqai@shelley.u.washington.edu> In article <1k6q1eINNqai@shelley.u.washington.edu> billk@rose.apl.washington.edu (Bill Kooiman) writes: > > [... MUNCH ...] > Wouldn't this lead to increased the traffic on the net? Because you would > be sending uncompressed versions around. This would be especially > difficult for people running via modems. > --Bill You could have the ftp client on the user's side to all the compression and decompression. Thereby, the uncompressed version would never be sent over the net. You could even build a version of an ftp client that looked at the filename extensions on the files it was transferring and either automatically decompress or prompt the user for permission to decompress (a preference). Then, you could configure it to do any compression/decompression scheme you wanted by having it do call outs to filter programs. You'd just need a way to associate an extension with a filter program... --Gregor N. Purdy Contemporary Design Studios
From: gregor@oit.itd.umich.edu (Gregor Purdy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compression for the archives (and FTP enhancements) Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:47:21 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1k6scpINNkdt@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <1k6q1eINNqai@shelley.u.washington.edu> You could have the ftp client on the user's side to all the compression and decompression. Thereby, the uncompressed version would never be sent over the net. You could even build a version of an ftp client that looked at the filename extensions on the files it was transferring and either automatically decompress or prompt the user for permission to decompress (a preference). Then, you could configure it to do any compression/decompression scheme you wanted by having it do call outs to filter programs. You'd just need a way to associate an extension with a filter program... --Gregor N. Purdy Contemporary Design Studios
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities) Subject: Re: ZyXEL vs. Supra Message-ID: <1993Jan28.005057.28136@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine References: <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> <SHIN.93Jan27015456@sgtp.sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 00:50:57 GMT In article <SHIN.93Jan27015456@sgtp.sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp> shin@sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp (Sugou Shinichirou) writes: >In article <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) writes: > > Path: sgtp!lkbreth!wnoc-tyo-news!nec-tyo!nec-gw!sgiblab!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!news > From: g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc > Date: 20 Jan 93 07:21:22 JST > Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) > Organization: University of Western Ontario > Lines: 8 > Nntp-Posting-Host: student.business.uwo.ca > > > I am ready to go with one of these fax modems and I want to hear > what people's experiences with them are, since I am not familiar with > either modem. Which do people 'in the know' recommend? Any horror > stories? > >It is clear that ZyXEL is much much better than any other modems >(including Supra) if you use NXFax driver. >-- >Shin'ichirou Sugou (NeXTmail acceptable) > > > That may not be true. I have ordered an eval copy of DFax from Dale Pratt. DFax is the NXFax equivalent for Supra. If DFax for Supra works as well as NXFax for ZyXEL, then a Supra is equivalent to a ZyXEL for faxing, blowing whistles, etc.--at half the price. -- Yan Fang-Magnusson Ph.D. candidate, philosophy, University of Utah yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Tilley) Subject: Re: Pixel Magician Message-ID: <C1Jr57.Jw7@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1993Jan25.222434.6950@gossip.urich.edu> <1993Jan26.191732.1938@bacchus.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:29:30 GMT In <1993Jan26.191732.1938@bacchus.com> bacchus!eric (Eric Bloom) writes: >In article <1993Jan25.222434.6950@gossip.urich.edu> >littlepg@plato.NOHOST.NODOMAIN (bob littlepage) writes: >> How do I remove the link to Pixel Magician so that the original previewer >>comes up? >Select a .PS file in the File Viewer. Bring up the Inspector ( Tools -> >Inspector, from the menu ), then choose Tools from the pop-up list. Set Preview >to be the default application for this file extension. Or move it from /LocalApps to, say, /LocalDemos and then login again. -- .. Richard <tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Computer Services, Networking group.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: Downloading mail by modem? Message-ID: <1993Jan28.024222.676@antigone.com> Organization: Antigone Press, San Francisco, CA, USA References: <C1J374.6p4@world.std.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:42:22 GMT James Meacham (jmeacham@world.std.com) wrote: : Since I don't have my NeXT connected to a network (mine is a solitary and : lonely machine) I have a dial-up internet accout. Is there any way to : download mail files and read them in 3.0's Mail.app? I've tried this with : pine and mm mailbox files, but I get a message that "this mailbox is of an : old type". I've wriiten a script that auotmates the download process, but : it's pretty useless if I can't read the files. What you need is a uucp feed. I don't know if any public access Internet nodes will do this, so might have to go the commercial route. Try Holonet (510-704-0160 voice, or 510-704-1058 modem). They have dial-up numbers locally all over the country, and are pretty cheap. The minimum is $6/month. I believe there's also a pretty hefty one-time setup charge. -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: +1 415 431 3650
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Re: SLIPCOMMANDER 2.0 SUBMITTED TO ARCHIVE SITE Message-ID: <1993Jan28.023608.16377@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA References: <142116.2B65A510@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:36:08 GMT In article <142116.2B65A510@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Gary.I..Chang@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Gary I. Chang) writes: > -- > Gary I. Chang - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 > UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name > INTERNET: Gary.I..Chang@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG This is very strange, I did post a note for the submissions of SLIPCommander2.0, but it is not this one without any description at all! Besides,"Gary.I..Chang@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Gary I. Chang)" this is not my name or signature. But hey, thanks for reminding people of it! Let me know if you run into any problem. :-) gary -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer Message-ID: <C1JzAp.Ky0@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> <yaq36ld@rpi.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:25:22 GMT gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: >Hmm, I'm not sure that it should. Interesting idea, I guess. I'm not sure >that it shouldn't, either... :-) I always have wished it did. >The application itself advertises what kinds of files it knows how to >handle. So the person writing the application has to put that part in. >Then, the user has to put the application in one of the standard paths (ie, >in /LocalApps, or ~/Apps, etc). You could add more paths to the list of >ones which are checked by changing the appropriate "defaults" value (which >is "Workspace ApplicationPaths"). For me, I find that hitting Cmd-u and then waiting about 10-15 seconds (depending on network load and how big my ApplicationPaths is) will do the trick. It's not instantaneous, even when you put the application in question on your dock. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <1993Jan28.035813.12327@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 03:58:13 GMT References: <1k7f5j$h4h@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. Comp. Info. Sys. I can think of a definite advantage to dropping hardware. NeXT would no longer have to concern itself with advancing hardware. NeXT's market is simply not large enough to drive rapid hardware advancements. How many speeds of 486 are there, compared to 040? Even with Apple selling Motorola based machines at very high demand, Motorola's development time is glacial. The 486 market has tons of competition driving performance up and prices down. Intel has AMD and Cyrix to worry about. Regardless of whether NeXTSTEP will run on their competitors' chips, Intel will do everything it can to stay ahead of them. HP has Sun, IBM, DEC and SGI (to a lesser degree) to compete against. They will also feel a great deal of pressure to stay at or near the head of the pack. If NeXT ports to x86, PA, SPARC, R4000, and alpha, then they can't help but be at the forefront of performance. No one will ever be able to blame NeXTSTEP for running too slowly. If it does, wait a few months and someone will release a better chip that will run it faster. NeXT wouldn't have to lift a finger or spend a cent. The hardware race drives itself. (Or rather, DOS, Windows, WNT, and X drive it. We'll just hang on for the ride of our lives) I'd like to see more NeXT boxes. I'd especially like to see a Risc upgrade for my Cube. But the lure of unbridled hardware advancements is pretty strong. I may just have to live on Ramen noodles until I can afford an HP running NeXTSTEP. Even then, maybe I'll NXHost apps to my Cube and keep the ugly thing in a closet. Maybe a rack mount... <disclaimer: I am assuming that something real will happen with HP. I don't know if anything will, but I certainly hope it does. NeXT would get a lot more respect, I think. My Sun-worshipping OOPS teacher said it best: "It's a nice toy." He also said he saw someone "cat" and "more" a tiff file at a NeXT demo.> -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Information Studies (tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu) Anderson Financial Systems (jon@afs.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Apple disks Message-ID: <1993Jan26.180716.9146@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <C1FEMx.4uz@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:07:16 GMT In article <C1FEMx.4uz@ra.nrl.navy.mil> heinle@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (Glenn Heinle) writes: > Once an Apple disk (floppyh or CD-ROM) is mounted, is > there a way to access the three forks (data, resource, and > info)? I believe what you see is the data fork, and I heard > there is a way to get to the resource fork. > Here's an update to my standard blurb on Mac disks under NeXTSTEP 3.0 that I posted a few months back. I'm re-posting the thing in its entirety in case it can can help other users in general. Perhaps this should become part of some periodic posting for FAQ? Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------ Using the Workspace Manager File Viewer ======================================= On the Macintosh, a file has two components: a data fork and a resource fork. When using the Workspace file viewer to copy and move Mac files, only the data fork will be moved. That considered... * DO NOT use the NeXT as a pass through for Mac files. You will lose the resource fork in the process. For example, DON'T copy a file from a Mac SyQuest or hard disk onto a NeXT filesystem and subsequently copy it onto a Mac floppy unless you are *sure* that you will only need what is contained in the data fork. * DO NOT place a Mac file on a NeXT disk volume if you intend to later access the resource fork - it won't be there. Examples where the resource fork is vital are PostScript fonts and many forms of Mac sound files. FloppyWorks, Executor and NeXTSTEP 3.0 ====================================== If you are having difficulty mounting Mac disks, open the console window from the Workspace. If a message such as: Mac File System: Initialized Nov 25 12:29:52 Workspace: Mounted floppy disk at /Mac Disk isn't displayed, and there are no error messages regarding bad reads, it's possible that your system has at one time had FloppyWorks or an older version of Executor installed. FloppyWorks and NeXTSTEP 3.0 are incompatible for mounting Mac floppies, hard disks and SyQuest volumes. If you have ever used FloppyWorks on your system, NeXTSTEP 3.0 will not be able to correctly mount Mac disk volumes. If you wish to mount Mac disk volumes via NeXTSTEP 3.0, in addition to removing FloppyWorks you will need to log in as root and remove /usr/filesystems/macintosh.fs. Leave /usr/filesystems/mac.fs there. When you reboot you will be able to insert a Mac disk into your NeXT floppy drive and have it show up in the Workspace file viewer. I understand a very similar thing occurs when using older versions of Executor. The current version of Executor (1.2.1) works flawlessly with NeXTSTEP 3.0 for handling Mac floppies. When it or HFS_XFer are running, they will directly accept mounted Mac disks. When quitting either application, NeXTSTEP 3.0 is once again put back in control and mounted Mac disks appear in the Workspace file viewer. Transparent and very cool. Executor has special code which can directly access the data fork, resource fork and Finder information. Accessing the Resource Fork From a Program ========================================== If you are using an application that has been written to access Mac resource forks under NeXTSTEP 3.0, it will just work with one exception noted below. If you are writing programs that wish to access Macintosh resource forks under NeXTSTEP 3.0, add a .#rsrc# extension to the file name to open() it. If the open fails, there is no resource fork or NeXTSTEP couldn't get at it. If you are having difficulty accessing a Mac resource fork from a program, either as a user or a programmer, open the console window from the Workspace. The implementation of Mac filesystem support has a wimpy size restriction on path names. It is very common to see a message such as the following: macfs: ERROR: DFS: macPort.c/ditPathToMacPath: 15042 Name too long. When that happens the program will not be able to open the resource fork and, depending on the program, different error states could occur. To avoid the problem, rename folders on the Mac disk to make the path name shorter. Accessing the Resource Fork From the Command Line ================================================= If you need to copy the resource fork (as you may have under FloppyWorks for example), you will need to open a terminal window and copy it via the command line. If you want to copy the resource fork of a file named TEST you will need to copy TEST.#rsrc# to copy the resource fork. Note that if you do an ls containing a wildcard, no .#rsrc# will show up even if they are there. An ls for a particular .#rsrc# (such as TEST.#rsrc#) will work. Accessing the Finder information ================================ Macintosh files also contain information maintained by the Mac Finder - the file's creator, type, etc. This information is not available via NeXTSTEP 3.0. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] ----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Mac to NeXTprinter ? Message-ID: <C1K621.JqK@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Jan27.133747.481@bernina.ethz.ch> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:51:37 GMT In article <1993Jan27.133747.481@bernina.ethz.ch> Florian.Gutzwiller@open.ch writes: >Who can comment on decent solutions for printing on the NeXTprinter from a >Macintosh with Ethernet. I understand that there is a software called uShare >that would do it and more. uShare and uPrint are fantastic products. You can print from a Mac (fast), from a NeXt to a Localtalk printer, etc...While not officially supported by their literature, the product also works fine with PC's and AppleIIGS's. In fact I was just playing one of Windows' midi players from my Cube using uShare. The program is called Windjammer and I had access to it and all the midi files stored on the NeXT. [ ] Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: ZyXEL vs. Supra Message-ID: <C1K6ss.KA9@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <SHIN.93Jan27015456@sgtp.sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp> <1993Jan28.005057.28136@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <tlm.728189058@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:07:39 GMT In article <tlm.728189058@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: [ ] > >Only thing is, a Supra is not "half" of the price of ZyXEL, more like a >$50 difference, maybe even less if you shop carefully. Sounds like two >good ways to get FAXing for the NeXT. Long die Neuron! Hmm..up until a few months ago I would still find Neuron files in odd places. One can only wonder if they will ever leave. Perhaps changing hard drives and getting new software.... NXFax works great with the ZyXEL, as does the modem. Philip McDunnough philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <C1K6M1.K1A@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C1I5xq.BGB@utstat.toronto.edu> <1k7f5j$h4h@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:03:36 GMT In article <1k7f5j$h4h@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: [ ] > >You are missing the point. Of course sales of PC clones with NS486 will >not make any dent in the total PC sales. > >But even a 0.01 % of PC's sold to run NS486 will eat NeXT's hardware sales, >because NeXT is selling that many in the first place. The point is how >many users who would have bought NeXT hardware will instead buy 486 + NS486. >That number can only be 10,000 to seriously hurt NeXT. Well that depends on what NeXT does with its hardware. I for one would like to see them get right out of the workstation/Unix label that many have placed on them. Their real competition, as many have said, is the Mac and the PC ( and as you point out itself!). I haven't seeen NS486, so I can't really predict what will happen. If it runs as nicely as it does on NeXT equipment, and the system ends up costing far less then perhaps NeXT should simply switch over to making both Intel based NeXT's, with a partner- not Dell, Compaq-, and move to RISC at the high and low end. Your comments are well taken. However it's unreasonable to cripple NS486 in order to make people buy black machines. The trick is to make black ones for less, and better. That shouldn't be too hard. PC clones are made to be hidden away in the furnace room. Philip McDunnough philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Downloading mail by modem? Message-ID: <C1K72o.KGG@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C1J374.6p4@world.std.com> <1993Jan28.024222.676@antigone.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:13:35 GMT In article <1993Jan28.024222.676@antigone.com> mross@antigone.com writes: [Questions how to get NeXT mail when not on a network...] > >What you need is a uucp feed. I don't know if any public access Internet nodes will >do this, so might have to go the commercial route. Try Holonet (510-704-0160 voice, >or 510-704-1058 modem). They have dial-up numbers locally all over the country, and >are pretty cheap. The minimum is $6/month. I believe there's also a pretty hefty >one-time setup charge. No! All you need to do is: (1) Find out where mail is spooled on the host. Say it's /usr/spool/mail/mross (2) Transfer the file mross to the NEXT via Kermit, Zmodem,...Then, assuming one is mross on the NeXT, move the mross file into /usr/spool/mail/ . It will append itself to the mross file living there and mail will show up in the envelope (i.e. the mbox). I've done it a zillion times. Of course uucp is nicer, or slip, etc...but they are needed. Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: lemke@verbosa.ncd.com (David Lemke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!! Keywords: Sun, Display PostScript Message-ID: <16110@lupine.ncd.com> Date: 27 Jan 93 19:31:41 GMT References: <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> <1jur0dINNgr2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Sender: news@NCD.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Network Computing Devices In article <1jur0dINNgr2@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: |> |> In article <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: |> >In article <1jpl1eINNbsq@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: |> |> >>A. Though DPS is not a sanctioned standard, it is fast |> >>becoming a de facto UNIX standard. All major Unix platform |> >>vendors (SGI, IBM, DEC, NCD, etc.), except Hewlett-Packard, |> >>support DPS. |> |> >I guess NeXT does not use DPS. |> |> NeXT has probably sold at least as many Unix units (but not $$) as both SGI and |> IBM. Does NCD sell Unix machines or just X terminals? Not including NeXT in |> this list is a political decision, I'm sure. NCD sells just X display stations. all conspiracy theories aside, i assume the reason NeXT was left off was because they don't ship DPS/X, which the rest of the list does (or will). |> |> Art Isbell Cubic Solutions |> NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting |> NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 |> USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515 -- Dave Lemke lemke@ncd.com Network Computing Devices, Inc.
From: kohno@ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Fujimasa Kohno) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SIMM memory error Message-ID: <1993Jan28.112638.26222@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Date: 28 Jan 93 11:26:38 GMT Sender: news@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Kyoto University, JAPAN For a couple of months, I had been suffering from system error like *** HashTable: count differs after rehashing; probably indicates a broken invariant: there are x and y such as isEqual(x, y) is TRUE but hash(x) != hash (y). I suspected memory error and removed 4 4MB SIMMs from motherboard, then the error message disappeard. In addition, MetroTools became operational, which until then wouldn't start normally. Now I'm considering to swap the impaired SIMM with the new one. But, of these 4 SIMMs, how can I find the very SIMM which cause the trouble? If anyone have any idea, could you please let me know? Thanks. I have 8x1MB and 4x4MB SIMMs all with non-parity. -Fujimasa-
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:43:41 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k8kdt$mnv@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <C1K6M1.K1A@utstat.toronto.edu> In article <C1K6M1.K1A@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >Well that depends on what NeXT does with its hardware. I for one would like to >see them get right out of the workstation/Unix label that many have placed on >them. Their real competition, as many have said, is the Mac and the PC ( and >as you point out itself!). I suppose NeXT is in a bind. NeXT's strength is in the NeXTSTEP software, but they are not selling enough of it yet to rely on as the primary source of revenue. NeXT just broke even, more or less, in 1992, and the most of the revenue must have come from their hardware sales. If NeXT were to annouce tomorrow that they will be dropping hardware business, that would be suicide because people would be reluctant to buy hardware that is soon to be orphaned. Their sales of hardware will drop immediately, and NeXT will fall into red. So much for the growth and let alone breaking even. It seems to me that it is a matter of timing. Yes, NeXT may be a software company 5 years from now, but they can't afford to annouce that they are dropping hardware now when the hardware business is the only source of revenue that made modest growth and break-even in 92 possible. When they annouce that kind of direction change, they have to be already making enough money from software sales. And that won't be any time soon. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: ian@ohm.york.ac.uk (I Stephenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to convert BSD a.out files to Mach files using atom Message-ID: <1993Jan28.130952.3717@ohm.york.ac.uk> Date: 28 Jan 93 13:09:52 GMT References: <CEDMAN.93Jan27081725@capitalist.princeton.edu> Sender: ian@ohm.york.ac.uk (I Stephenson) Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK In article <CEDMAN.93Jan27081725@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article <gfNVIM200WB3QHXHhM@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > Atom converts executables and object files compiled for the NeXT in the > BSD4.3 a.out format into the Mach-O format. There is no way that it is > going to be able to convert an executable compiled for a different > machine into something runable on the NeXT. (Why? Amoung many reasons, > the Sun executable likely was compiled for a different *CPU* than the > 680x0...) > > Not quite. Actually it has been done with Sun binaries, but all > instances I remember have been two aeons (ie. operating system > versions) or more ago. We've frequently converted Sun3 binaries to the NeXT. Mach is binary compatable with BSD so most stuff will go across without any problems. In fact on accasion we've compiled something that we wanted on the NeXT using the Sun and then converted it, simply because it would compile first time on a Sun (it was easier to port the binary than to port the source). Obviously it won't work for sparc/SunOs stuff but any 68000 BSD code should work (PacMan definitly worked - we simply couldn't be bothered to recompile, so zaped the binary). Ian Stephenson University of York
From: dan@mossy.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan Johnston) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Downloading mail by modem? Date: 28 Jan 1993 13:50:29 GMT Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k8ob5INN121@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> References: <C1K72o.KGG@utstat.toronto.edu> In article <C1K72o.KGG@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > In article <1993Jan28.024222.676@antigone.com> mross@antigone.com writes: > > [Questions how to get NeXT mail when not on a network...] > > > > No! All you need to do is: > > (1) Find out where mail is spooled on the host. Say it's /usr/spool/mail/mross > (2) Transfer the file mross to the NEXT via Kermit, Zmodem,...Then, assuming > one is mross on the NeXT, move the mross file into /usr/spool/mail/ . It > will append itself to the mross file living there and mail will show up in --- Actually, you don't even need to use kermit. If the mail file is not too big, just display it and then use copy/paste to the mail file on the other machine. -- Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: ZyXEL source in NY city??? Message-ID: <1993Jan28.140740.22000@alf.uib.no> Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 14:07:40 GMT I need to know (quickly!) a source for the ZyXEL Fax/modem everyone is so pleased with in NY city (a friend is going there early NeXT week :-) Also the complete model name (ZyXEL U1496e, I think?) Could someone please email adress(es) of store(s) which carry/sell this fax/modem, and about what the usual price is. Lastly - will power be a problem, or is it a plug which can take 9 or 12 volts DC from any standard (i.e. US/European) adapter??? -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Supra / DFax = Good Fax, Little Bux (Re: ZyXEL vs. Supra) Message-ID: <2707@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 14:30:04 GMT References: <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> <SHIN.93Jan27015456@sgtp.sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp> <1993Jan28.005057.28136@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <1993Jan28.005057.28136@fcom.cc.utah.edu> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities) writes: >In article <SHIN.93Jan27015456@sgtp.sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp> shin@sgtp.apple.juice.or.jp (Sugou Shinichirou) writes: >>In article <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> g3steen@student.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) writes: >> >> I am ready to go with one of these fax modems and I want to hear >> what people's experiences with them are, since I am not familiar with >> either modem. Which do people 'in the know' recommend? Any horror >> stories? >> >>It is clear that ZyXEL is much much better than any other modems >>(including Supra) if you use NXFax driver. >>Shin'ichirou Sugou (NeXTmail acceptable) >> >That may not be true. >I have ordered an eval copy of DFax from Dale Pratt. DFax is the NXFax >equivalent for Supra. >If DFax for Supra works as well as NXFax for ZyXEL, then a Supra is >equivalent to a ZyXEL for faxing, blowing whistles, etc.--at half the price. >Yan Fang-Magnusson I have been using DFax for about two weeks now to send faxes with excellent results. Have not tried to receive yet, but I have been using data and fax one right after the other with no hassles (data with kermit 5a). The Supra fax/modem / DFax combination is indeed much less $ for much the same functionality. Totally transparent once installed. One thing I am looking forward to is the ambitious future plan of DFax to integrate voice / data / fax in an all-in-one-box solution. Supra is actively involved in implementing voice-mail type support as an upgrade option for the future. If DFax does as good a job supporting that as they have done the fax driver, it should be a Good Thing. Something to put on the wish list... A De-install option, which would replace the original kernel.config and getty files that DFax modifies when, for instance, one wants to change peripherals between ports or temporarily use a given serial port for something else. All in all, the Supra/DFax solution for NeXT is a reliable and functional communications solution at about the minimum possible price, for those of us with cash constraints. -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXT, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. **
From: mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:07:22 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> In article <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee Furnival) writes: >Now I must admit that I do not read UNIXWorld regularly, but the few times >that I have read it I have never seen NeXT mentioned for any reason. What >the hell? Also, I have yet to hear any UNIX freaks mention NeXT in a >serious discussion, yet they live to talk about SUN and others... NeXT is a toy, whereas Suns, SGIs, etc, are "real" computers: 1) If I need a little more power than my 68040, I can't buy a 'fast' NeXT, whereas SUN has about a half a dozen models, some of which are very high performance. (and I may not even need to buy a complete new system!) 2) Sun is directly upgradable to 24 bit, faster processors, and offers a variety of plug in Zorro cards. NeXT, on the other hand, forces a user to buy a NEW machine to get 24 bit color, only offers a faster 68040 for speed, and there exist virtually no plug in cards (since only a dimension supports them anyway!) 3) People actually WRITE software for the Sun. NeXT is so stuck on their Objective-C crap, that no one actually writes anything. Just compare the number of X applications written on a Sun versus the number of NeXTstep apps written on a NeXT. Even the NeXT users who claim to know how to program in Objective-C DON'T WRITE ANYTHING. (Just take a look at the number of free 3.0 applications on sonata (even in incoming). Consider the number of games that exist, and consider NO speech program exists for the NeXT except commercially. I remember, when I owned my Amiga, speech came WITH the computer, and it even had inferior hardware, and games were abundant because EVERYONE could program an Amiga--with just a little C knowledge. I'll take a ton of applications in a non object- oriented language any day over NeXT, who forced Obj-C down our throats, everyone claims to like it, then never actually produce anything.) (I only use games as an example because, in general, people are much more motivated to write games than anything else, and since NeXT is proud of their college-kid market, it would seem THEY would be the ones to be producing tons of games.) 4) The ONLY benefit NeXT offers over Sun is the user interface. And if you consider that, how often to you hear Mac being referred to as a 'real' computer by anyone other than a computer illiterate? -- Mike Neuman mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu "To make a machine that will be proud of us." - Thinking Machine's motto ============================================================================== * Maintainer: NeXT netrek archive--b62103.student.cwru.edu:/pub/games/netrek *
From: pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What are all these <mach-task> processes? Message-ID: <11428@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 16:06:45 GMT Sender: usenet@vtserf.cc.vt.edu On my new ADB mono turbo station (running 3.0), I see all these <mach-task> processes. More seem to appear as time goes by. I never noticed anything like this on my old 2.1 system. "ps aux" returns lots and lots of lines like this: USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? N 0:00 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? N 0:00 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? N 0:00 <mach-task> Is there a problem? They're apparently not using resources, but they sure clutter up "ps" output, which is annoying. Is there anything that can be done to get rid of these? Thanks, -Patrick Robinson Extension Information Systems, Virginia Tech pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Subject: Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer Message-ID: <1993Jan28.133046.15696@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:30:46 GMT In article <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes: >I'm going to catch hell for now knowing this, but... > >How can a user "inform" the FileViewer that files with certain >extensions should have a corresponding app selected as the default >launch app? It's easy enough to select an app already displayed in the >Tools panel of the inspector, but how does one add a new choice? Dragging >an icon into that area doesn't seem to work (it should!)... You have to edit the __header portion of the __ICON segment of the App. The best way to do it is to pull it out of the App with SegHoarker and change it with Edit. The format goes a little something like this: S <extension> <app name> <icon name> Those are tabs and not spaces... So if you want to make Edit the default app for tiff files for some reason, put this in the __header portion of Edit: S tiff Edit unknown This will make Edit appear in the tools inspector. Unknown just tells the workspace to get the icon from somewhere else (in this case from the OS, which already has a tiff icon). andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <1993Jan28.154717.22330@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:47:17 GMT In article <C1I5xq.BGB@utstat.toronto.edu>, philip@utstat.toronto.edu Philip McDunnough wrote: > >I'm not saying that NS486 will fail. It will sell as a niche product. However, >it would be foolish for NeXT to give up making hardware and to become a >software vendor. That would really be the final straw. > >There's no reason to stop making NeXT hardware. > No reason other than market share, profit margin, and sales volume. I would think that selling a shrink-wrapped OS would be less capital intensive and offer more margin in the long run than producing HW. Of course, _I_ don't own/run a company that does either. :-) Michael McCulloch Huntsville, AL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: Mac to NeXTprinter ? Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:50:15 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan28.125015.18219@cyantic.com> References: <1993Jan27.133747.481@bernina.ethz.ch> In article <1993Jan27.133747.481@bernina.ethz.ch> Florian.Gutzwiller@open.ch writes: >Who can comment on decent solutions for printing on the NeXTprinter from a >Macintosh with Ethernet. I understand that there is a software called uShare >that would do it and more. Are there any reasonable Berkeley line printer >implementations that would make the NeXTprinter appear in the Mac chooser ? > >Thanks in Advance > >-Florian > >-- >Florian Gutzwiller Tel: +41 61 262 05 10, Fax: +41 61 262 05 10 >Open Systems AG, Basel flog@Open.CH >Switzerland S=gutzwiller;O=open;P=EUnet=A=EUnet;C=CH -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT to Mac sound conversion??? Message-ID: <Jan.28.13.15.02.1993.1418@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 18:15:02 GMT References: <1k202vINNcil@menudo.uh.edu> <1993Jan26.160252.18662@Happy-Man.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Please send replys to kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu; THANX!!! Does anyone out there know of a program that can convert from NeXT .snd format to mac snd format? I know that there are many that do the converse i.e. Mac to NeXT, but I really need the product to work in the other direction. I dont care if its PD or commercial. I checked out MetroTools and apparently that goes in only one direction (which is too bad because its a really sharp product). So any help would be greatly appreciated. Later, John kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu -- NeXT Campus Consultant---Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey |my %^) John Kheit/monoChrome | Opinions expressed represent me only! |fried %-) 173 Westgate Drive | Audix Voice Mail# (415) 366-0900 X5512 |brain %>) Edison, NJ 08820-1163 | kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu,szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: whr@lanl.gov (William H. Reed) Subject: Printing on Nonstandard Sized Paper Message-ID: <1993Jan28.160811.2239@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:08:11 GMT I need to print on nonstandard sized paper (6.25 by 9 inches). I load this paper into my NeXT printer, use the page layout panel to set the page width and height to these values, and then print. The resulting output is not placed properly on the page. I have tried this using Edit and FrameMaker with no success. Does anybody know how to print correctly on nonstandard sized paper? Bill Reed whr@lanl.gov Los Alamos National Laboratory
From: Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:02:01 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <1k972pINNi0i@morrow.stanford.edu> References: <1993Jan28.133046.15696@cubetech.com> In article <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes: > How can a user "inform" the FileViewer that files with certain > extensions should have a corresponding app selected as the default > launch app? It's easy enough to select an app already displayed in the > Tools panel of the inspector, but how does one add a new choice? Dragging > an icon into that area doesn't seem to work (it should!)... This is partially what the old 'Unknown' application does, though I've not posted a 3.0 version of it since it's original function keeps getting reduced as NeXT fixes/changes things. It basically is a remapping app that assigns icons and owners to file types that don't have them don't have the right ones. Unfortunately, Unknown or any of the various 'edit the iconheader' suggestions are not guaranteed to work as it also depends on how the target application is implemented. It has to both accept files with the appropriate method and not be overly picky about filtering out extensions it doesn't recognize. (Some do reject based on extension even though the content might have been OK.) - Christopher
From: ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Microphone II (send/receive e-mail via compuserve?) Message-ID: <1993Jan27.183752.25063@pencom.com> Date: 27 Jan 93 18:37:52 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software Has anybody used Microphone II or any other software packaged to automatically download e-mail from compuserve? Does it work? Does it work with NeXTmail? P.S. I have a friend with Compuserve only access who has a NeXT and would like to send/receive e-mail using compuserve. -- + Ricardo J. Parada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: coco@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (felix.lugo) Subject: Need drive SCSI id info Organization: AT&T Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:32:49 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan28.173249.15771@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> I have a friend who needs to change the SCSI-ID of a MAXTOR XT-8380S (NeXT supplied) hard drive from 1 (NeXT default) to 0. Anyone have information on what the SCSI-ID selection pins are on this drive? Thanks in advance! --Felix
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <C1Kxso.DMI@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:50:47 GMT Michael C. Neuman writes -> In article <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee -> Furnival) writes: -> >Now I must admit that I do not read UNIXWorld regularly, but the few times -> >that I have read it I have never seen NeXT mentioned for any reason. What -> >the hell? Also, I have yet to hear any UNIX freaks mention NeXT in a -> >serious discussion, yet they live to talk about SUN and others... -> -> NeXT is a toy, whereas Suns, SGIs, etc, are "real" computers: -> 1) If I need a little more power than my 68040, I can't buy a 'fast' NeXT, -> whereas SUN has about a half a dozen models, some of which are very high -> performance. (and I may not even need to buy a complete new system!) -> 2) Sun is directly upgradable to 24 bit, faster processors, and offers a -> variety of plug in Zorro cards. NeXT, on the other hand, forces a user to -> buy a NEW machine to get 24 bit color, only offers a faster 68040 for speed, -> and there exist virtually no plug in cards (since only a dimension supports -> them anyway!) How much would it cost you to upgrade that Sun with all the nice things. Bunches I bet. -> 3) People actually WRITE software for the Sun. NeXT is so stuck on their -> Objective-C crap, that no one actually writes anything. Just compare the number -> of X applications written on a Sun versus the number of NeXTstep apps written -> on a NeXT. Even the NeXT users who claim to know how to program in Objective-C -> DON'T WRITE ANYTHING. (Just take a look at the number of free 3.0 applications -> on sonata (even in incoming). Consider the number of games that exist, and -> consider NO speech program exists for the NeXT except commercially. I remember, -> when I owned my Amiga, speech came WITH the computer, and it even had inferior -> hardware, and games were abundant because EVERYONE could program an Amiga--with -> just a little C knowledge. I'll take a ton of applications in a non object- -> oriented language any day over NeXT, who forced Obj-C down our throats, -> everyone claims to like it, then never actually produce anything.) (I only -> use games as an example because, in general, people are much more motivated -> to write games than anything else, and since NeXT is proud of their college-kid -> market, it would seem THEY would be the ones to be producing tons of games.) Horse pucky! 95% of all free X apps are just pain junk. The nice apps are not free and will cost you an arm and a leg. Anyone know how much a development pkg costs that will run under X on the Sun. Don't forget it needs to have all the tools that the NeXT has. -> 4) The ONLY benefit NeXT offers over Sun is the user interface. And if you -> consider that, how often to you hear Mac being referred to as a 'real' -> computer by anyone other than a computer illiterate? -> The user interface is EVERYTHING when it comes to working (using or developing) on a computer. If you spent hours fumbling with a crappy interface it doesn't matter how fast you can compile. Sure the NeXT may not be as fast as a Sun but it definitly gets the overall job done quicker. If you want an NFS server buy a Sun. If you wan't to get something done buy a NeXT. -> -- -> Mike Neuman mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu -> "To make a machine that will be proud of us." - Thinking Machine's motto -> ============================================================================== -> * Maintainer: NeXT netrek archive--b62103.student.cwru.edu:/pub/games/netrek * -- _______________________________________________________________________________ I'll cross my heart and hope to die but the needle's already in my eye. _______________________________________________________________________________ Kevin Solie
From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <1993Jan28.190819.7151@adobe.com> Date: 28 Jan 93 19:08:19 GMT References: <1993Jan28.154717.22330@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Should NeXT continue to make hardware? Not sure. But consider this: Would PostScript have been as successful if Adobe had stuck to the original plan and made printers? It is extremely difficult to license OEMs for software. If they think you're competing with them, it's darn near impossible. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <1993Jan28.192919.150014@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 19:29:19 GMT References: <C1I5xq.BGB@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <C1I5xq.BGB@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Rob Tibshirani) writes: > In article <1k4udc$1cb@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: > > [ ] > > > >But then, at least in the NS486 market, it should be pretty easy for > >a small clone maker to preload NS486 to their clone with tested > >video cards, ethernet cards and hard disks. And guarantee that things > >work. Loading NS486 to existing clones would be problematic, but > >no one on the selling side is interested in that -- loads of troubles > >and little money to be made. > > Why on earth will users flock to NS486 when they have yet to leave DOS? There > are so many OS's on the PC that it's getting confusing at this point. In any > case, NS486 is hardly going to make a dent in sales and users of DOS, Windows, > OS/2. > > > >I would bet that NS486 would definitely eat into NeXT's hardware sales > >because there are enough dealers that bend over backword to differentiate > >themselves from the rest. Even with $600 price the dealers might > >pay for NS486, they can slap together a 66MHz 486 machine that is > >competitive with NeXT hardware, and preload NS486, with satisfaction > >guaranteed or money back. > >Recent prices of local bus 486 machines are amazing. > >And NS486 will sell the top of the line machines for them. > > Why would NS486 sell the top of the line machines? There are already OS's out > there for these machines that have a whole lot of applications now. > > I'm not saying that NS486 will fail. It will sell as a niche product. However, > it would be foolish for NeXT to give up making hardware and to become a > software vendor. That would really be the final straw. > > There's no reason to stop making NeXT hardware. > > Incidentally, which local bus are you referring to? I was under the impression > that there was no standard set. > > Philip McDunnough > philip@utstat.toronto.edu My thoughts weren't so much on inital compatibility as most companies that use NS 486 will buy from someone who preloads it. My thoughts were more toward the inevitable problems that occur in a companies computer systems. E.x. They start seeing wierd image son the screen. They then have to determine if the videocard, monitor, motherboard, software or os are at fault. That is alot of people to call about one problem. As far as their being several OS's on PCs, yes there are. Many (most?) of them are still using DOS, but the recent trend is for companies to finally move to Windows. Instead they could go to NS 486 and get more ease of use and power all in one move. Also some companies will be comming down. Either they will be down sizing fomr mainframes or replacing old workstations with new NeXTstations. No NeXT shouldn't get out of the hardware business but they shouldn't hold back on writing as many ports of NS as possible. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTmail at home (was: Downloading mail by modem?) Keywords: NeTXmail Message-ID: <1993Jan28.193720.153497@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 19:37:20 GMT Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo > Since I don't have my NeXT connected to a network (mine is a solitary and > lonely machine) I have a dial-up internet accout. Is there any way to > download mail files and read them in 3.0's Mail.app? I've tried this with > pine and mm mailbox files, but I get a message that "this mailbox is of an > old type". I've wriiten a script that auotmates the download process, but > it's pretty useless if I can't read the files. > This reminds me of something that crossed my mind some time ago. As more and more people have computers at home and more and more have modems it would be nice to have a program that would call somebody and send them e-mail. As an address you would have a phone # as opposed to an internet address. The mailed would actomagically know to use the modem to send that person e-mail. It would keep trying until it got through. The one drawback that I see is how to get around the need for a dedicated line. Is it possible to determine if a cal is voice, modem. or fax before the off-hook signal is sent? If so then all the program would have to do is pick up the call if it was a computer, otherwise just let it ring through. Any thoughts on this? -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <C1Ky0o.CH4@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Jan28.154717.22330@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1993Jan28.190819.7151@adobe.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:55:36 GMT In article <1993Jan28.190819.7151@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: > >Should NeXT continue to make hardware? > >Not sure. But consider this: > >Would PostScript have been as successful if Adobe had stuck to the >original plan and made printers? Didn't Apple own part of Adobe back then. In any case it's not as though there was an alternative to Postscript printers. Note that as soon as there was (PCL, True Type now) most printer sales went to non Postscript printers. In the true tradition of Apple and others, Adobe overcharged for owning a Postscript printer. Were it not for True Type and PCL they would still be. It's essential that NeXT continue to make hardware. I also find it somewhat disappointing that Adobe has given minimal support to the one platform that went out on a limb with a complete Postscript based imaging model, but then what else could one expect from Adobe? Even Windows is getting more attention. Just an opinion, but I really wonder whether Adobe is in any moral position to comment on these matters. It is a publically owned company that goes where the market is. Fortunately it doesn't have a monopoly on the way we see things. > >It is extremely difficult to license OEMs for software. If they >think you're competing with them, it's darn near impossible. Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: salim@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Salim Alam) Subject: Need info on sharing NeXT HD w/ a Mac Message-ID: <1993Jan28.204056.24151@colorado.edu> Sender: news@colorado.edu (The Daily Planet) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:40:56 GMT Hi, Would it be possible to have a hard drive partition in NS3.0 that could be shared using a Mac Appletalk connection? It this feasible at all? I am planning on purchasing a large HD for my Nextstation and would like to at some point use it with a Mac -- ie, maybe store programs and data on the shared partition and be able to use the Mac filesystem to access it. (BTW, I dont have NS3.0 installed yet). Please reply by email. Thanks in advance. -Salim -- |Salim Alam. CS Graduate Student{} THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT | |University of Colorado, Boulder{} QUOTE-FREE. | |INTERNET: salim@cs.colorado.edu{} &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lfahnoe@kegworks.mn.org (Larry Fahnoe) Subject: Re: NeXT ModPlayers (Cf. Getting more space ...) Message-ID: <1993Jan28.115339.10247@kegworks.mn.org> Organization: The Kegworks, Minneapolis, Minnesota References: <C1Fsuy.5Go@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <1993Jan26.181644.4276@adobe.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:53:39 GMT In article <1993Jan26.181644.4276@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: >Michael Glenn writes > >> 69929 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.Z >> 44327 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.squfile >> 38541 ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.z > >> So gzip gives the maximum compression. > >Great, but how about using ".zip" to avoid confusion? :-) See the gzip announcement: "gunzip can currently decompress files created by gzip, zip, compress or pack. The detection of the input format is automatic." Subject: gzip (GNU zip) release 0.8.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:43:45 +0100 From: Jean-loup Gailly <jloup@chorus.fr> gzip version 0.8.1 is available for anonymous ftp from prep.ai.mit.edu [18.71.0.38], in the file /pub/gnu/gzip-0.8.1.tar.Z gzip (GNU zip) is a compression utility designed to be a replacement for 'compress'. Its main advantages over compress are better compression and freedom from patented algorithms. The GNU Project will soon make this the standard compression program for its system. So please try to build it *now*, before conversion of all GNU .Z files to the gzip format. The Linux project has already adopted gzip for distribution of Linux itself (see comp.os.linux). gzip currently uses the compression algorithm used in zip 1.9 (the portable pkzip compatible archiver). The gzip format was however designed to accommodate several compression algorithms. gunzip can currently decompress files created by gzip, zip, compress or pack. The detection of the input format is automatic. A script 'znew' is provided for automatic conversion of .Z files to the gzip format. A gzip'ed tar file is usually about 2/3 the size of a tar.Z file. Notable changes from version 0.5 are (see the NEWS file in the distribution for a complete list): o gzip can now extract .z files created by 'pack'. o it is now possible to append to a gzip'ed file. o 'configure' should now work on most systems o many minor bug fixes Please send comments and bug reports to jloup@chorus.fr or bug-gnu-utils@prep.ai.mit.edu. Jean-loup Gailly jloup@chorus.fr -- Larry Fahnoe Cellular One 612/832-7616 7900 S. Xerxes Ave, Suite 301 lfahnoe@kegworks.mn.org Minneapolis, MN 55431
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: mckenney@cims.nyu.edu (Alan M. McKenney) Subject: Trying to connect a modem Message-ID: <C1KzoB.2tA@cmcl2.nyu.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Originator: mckenney@gauss.cims.nyu.edu Sender: notes@cmcl2.nyu.edu (Notes Person) Organization: Courant Institute, New York University Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:31:21 GMT I am posting for a colleague who has a NeXT computer, but isn't able to post. He has a NeXT computer that he bought from someone. He doesn't know a lot about Unix or computers. The computer has revision 3.0 of the operating system. His problem: he would like to connect to the NYU computer system via modem, but he doesn't know what is involved. He says he tried to connect a Hayes 1200 baud modem to the serial port, but the system somehow couldn't find the modem. The NeXT documentation is apparently pretty limited on the subject. So, two questions: (1) can any standard modem (i.e., PC-compatible) be used on a NeXT computer? (2) what hardware and software work needs to be done to allow him to actually use the computer? He mainly wants to read E-mail from home, but I suppose eventually he will want to do the same things that most PC users want to do: upload & download files, etc. (By the way, I have been looking through the Sun documentation, and find that I have no idea how I would connect and use a modem on my SPARCstation, either.) I suspect that this is a question from the FAQ, only I haven't found the FAQ yet. So please send E-mail info to: mckenney@cims.nyu.edu. If there is interest, I will summarize for the net. (Also tell me which newsgroup is more appropriate for this question.) -- Alan McKenney E-mail: mckenney@cims.nyu.edu (INTERNET) Courant Institute,NYU,USA ...!cmcl2!cims.nyu.edu!mckenney (UUCP)
From: gt2186a@prism.gatech.EDU (COBIA,FRANK NAYLOR) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <82271@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 28 Jan 93 21:02:36 GMT References: <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology In article <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu writes: > > NeXT is a toy, whereas Suns, SGIs, etc, are "real" computers: >1) If I need a little more power than my 68040, I can't buy a 'fast' NeXT, >whereas SUN has about a half a dozen models, some of which are very high >performance. (and I may not even need to buy a complete new system!) >2) Sun is directly upgradable to 24 bit, faster processors, and offers a >variety of plug in Zorro cards. NeXT, on the other hand, forces a user to buy >a NEW machine to get 24 bit color, only offers a faster 68040 for speed, >and there exist virtually no plug in cards (since only a dimension supports >them anyway!) I will concede this point. >3) People actually WRITE software for the Sun. NeXT is so stuck on their >Objective-C crap, that no one actually writes anything. Just compare the number >of X applications written on a Sun versus the number of NeXTstep apps written >on a NeXT. Even the NeXT users who claim to know how to program in Objective-C >DON'T WRITE ANYTHING. (Just take a look at the number of free 3.0 applications >on sonata (even in incoming). Consider the number of games that exist, and >consider NO speech program exists for the NeXT except commercially. I remember, >when I owned my Amiga, speech came WITH the computer, and it even had inferior >hardware, and games were abundant because EVERYONE could program an Amiga--with >just a little C knowledge. I'll take a ton of applications in a non object- >oriented language any day over NeXT, who forced Obj-C down our throats, I think this is completely unfounded. There is a lot of quality public domain software for the NeXT. I have used many other kinds of computers (including Sun ) but none have the quality of software on the NeXT. I have used software packages on Sparc stations that cost thousands of dollars and I would not say that any of it was very good. The software may have performed its task well but it was always hard to use and I ofton had to use the screen redraw menu to get the screen to display properly. >everyone claims to like it, then never actually produce anything.) (I only >use games as an example because, in general, people are much more motivated >to write games than anything else, and since NeXT is proud of their college-kid >market, it would seem THEY would be the ones to be producing tons of games.) Speaking as a college student. The reason they have not written tons of software is that they have too much homework to do. I know when I go home for the summer and get a 40 hour a week job, I enjoy only having to work 40hrs. At school I have to put in much more than 40 hours a week and that doesn't even take into account the number of hours spent at my part-time job. All my friends are the same way. When I do have free time I really do not want to spend it doing a lot programmin. >4) The ONLY benefit NeXT offers over Sun is the user interface. And if you >consider that, how often to you hear Mac being referred to as a 'real' >computer by anyone other than a computer illiterate? I am not computer illiterate and I know that after using the NeXT I have come to appreciate GUI's (Sun's is awful, even if you can call it a GUI). I used to be a PC and UNIX user and thought that command lines were the only way to go. The more I use my NeXT the less I find myself using the Terminal app. I stay almost exclusively whithin the GUI. If I had to get another computer and I could not get a NeXT then I would have to get Mac. Frank -- COBIA,FRANK NAYLOR Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt2186a Internet: gt2186a@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: MIDI Interface? Message-ID: <1993Jan22.030253.402@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Jan20.173641.4431@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:02:53 GMT In article <1993Jan20.173641.4431@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> laurent@mycroft.math.ualberta.ca (Laurent Marcoux) writes: > I have also heard that one can use MIDI interfaces > designed for the Mac provided one uses MIDI-cables for > the NeXT. If someone knows more about this can he/she let > me know? Not all Mac MIDI interfaces will work. We are aware of two that we know for sure do. The Opcode Studio 3 and MOTU Midi Timepiece II both work with the NeXT provided you use the correct cable. Opcode is aware of the cable requirements and I believe they ordered a small quantity from a San Diego cable company we set them up with. Gordon -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] ----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rosario@oceanlaw.com Subject: WordPerfect Piece of crap!!! Message-ID: <1993Jan23.030523.1134@oceanlaw.com> Sender: rosario@oceanlaw.com Distribution: na Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:05:23 GMT try FrameMaker. I've been using it for almost a year as a heavy duty word processing program and it works great. -- -------------------------------- Rosario Perry rosario@oceanlaw.com -------------------------------- -- -------------------------------- Rosario Perry rosario@oceanlaw.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rosario@oceanlaw.com Subject: Re: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Message-ID: <1993Jan23.030911.1192@oceanlaw.com> Sender: rosario@oceanlaw.com References: <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:09:11 GMT In article <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: > In article <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: > > I called Pinnacle Micro and they said their PM-650 (or whatever) that is > > a 5.25" optical which seeks at 19ms like a hard drive *does* work with a > > NeXT with the drivers/etc that come with the NeXT. > > > > I am in the market for a HD + tape backup (DAT), but this seems like a > > good alternative considering that the storage is unlimited and relatively > > quick. > > > > Does anyone have one working with a NeXT? Could you tell me about it, please? > > I purchased a DAT tape back up from TICOR case and all, great company and great product. cost 1600 ish. call for quotes. -------------------------------- Rosario Perry rosario@oceanlaw.com -------------------------------- -- -------------------------------- Rosario Perry rosario@oceanlaw.com
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <1993Jan28.165219.16402@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 16:52:19 GMT References: <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman) writes: : In article <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee : Furnival) writes: : >Now I must admit that I do not read UNIXWorld regularly, but the few times : >that I have read it I have never seen NeXT mentioned for any reason. What : >the hell? Also, I have yet to hear any UNIX freaks mention NeXT in a : >serious discussion, yet they live to talk about SUN and others... : <tantrum regarding NeXT's deleted> Ahem. SunWorld rated the NeXTStation Turbo Color higher than a similarly configured Sun. Either Unix World or Unix Review (don't recall which) recently reviewed NeXTSTEP3.0 and Solaris in the same issue. They raved about NeXTSTEP, and yawned about Solaris. As for the amount of software available for the NeXT (esp. games): Perhaps it's because NeXT programmers have lives? Unlike Amiga/Sun dorks. (I'm not surprised you mentioned the Amiga. Question: If the Amiga's such a good computer, how come HP never talked to CBM about AmigaOS?) I can see a big, nasty thread coming. Lets move this on over to c.s.n.adv. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Information Studies Anderson Financial Systems jon@afs.com
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 1993 EDUCOM Software and Curriculum Innovation Awards Message-ID: <6667@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 28 Jan 93 22:09:00 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Accepting Entries for 1993 EDUCOM Software and Curriculum Innovation Awards Contact: Phone: 301/405-7534 Email: awards@cristal.umd.edu The EDUCOM Software and Curriculum Innovation Awards Program is accepting entries for the 1993 competition. The deadline for submissions is February 26. To request that an entry form be sent to you, send e-mail to awards@cristal.umd.edu, or call 301/405-7534. There are two categories in which submissions can be made: the Product Division, for original software designed to enhance student learning, and the Curriculum Innovation Division, which focuses on the use of technology by rewarding excellence in teaching with computers. There is no requirement that original software be developed by the submitter to enter an application in the Curriculum Innovation category, just that the computer be applied in ways that meet an important instructional need. The innovation might be the creative classroom use of existing commercial software packages; it might be the adaptation of existing packages for educational use; or it might be built around new software designed by the applicant. Entries will be reviewed in the following disciplines, all of which are at the undergraduate level except Law: * Natural Sciences, which can include Astronomy, Atmospheric Science, Biology, Botany, Ecology, Forestry, Genetics, Zoology, Chemistry, Geology, or Physics; * Humanities, including Area Studies, Communications, English (Literature or Composition), Journalism, Foreign Languages, or Philosophy; * Engineering, including Aerospace, Chemical, Civil, Computer Science, Electrical, Mechanical, or Nuclear; * Mathematics, which can include Algebra, Calculus, Geometry, Statistics, or other; * Social Sciences, including Anthropology, Archaeology, Economics, Geography, History, Political Science, Psychology, Sociology, Statistics or Research Methods; and * Law (Graduate level), which can include any area of specialization.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <1993Jan28.220312.10967@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <C1Ky0o.CH4@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:03:12 GMT Philip McDunnough writes > Didn't Apple own part of Adobe back then. In any case it's not as > though there was an alternative to Postscript printers. Yes, there were alternatives. Quite a few, in fact. > In the true tradition of Apple and others, Adobe overcharged for > owning a Postscript printer. Were it not for True Type and PCL they > would still be. PostScript would never have been succesful if Adobe had charged too much. NeXT will not be successful with NeXTSTEP if they charge too much. To continue to perpetuate such "overcharging" myths is really quite silly. Companies that gouge on software prices just do not survive in the real world. It's far too easy to reverse engineer things, and the only barrier companies have against being cloned out of business is economic viability of doing so. (And this confusion between TrueType and TrueImage is growing a rather high giggle factor for me. The only thing TrueType affected was the "when" of the black book, not the "if". TrueImage? You really have to look for one to find 'em nowadays.) > It's essential that NeXT continue to make hardware. I also find it > somewhat disappointing that Adobe has given minimal support to the > one platform that went out on a limb with a complete Postscript > based imaging model, but then what else could one expect from Adobe? > Even Windows is getting more attention. Yes, I'm angry that PhotoShop isn't available on my NeXT machine, too. That doesn't mean that NeXT is getting minimal support from Adobe as a company. Shoot, it's got the best version of Display PostScript inside - full Level 2, with the capability of pretending like it's almost any kind of printer. I must admit that it's rather easy to be ignorant of the level of support that NeXT really gets from Adobe, but still... But even I must admit that the NeXT software market looks rather slim right now, even when considering what a pain it is to program Windows. > Just an opinion, but I really wonder whether Adobe is in any moral > position to comment on these matters. It is a publically owned > company that goes where the market is. :-) Are you implying that NeXT should continue making hardware even if it loses money doing so? Even if it means the company dissapears and takes NeXTSTEP with it? Is it "immoral" to stop losing money? Amusing. Really, isn't it better to have NeXTSTEP on every concievable platform? If NeXT had to give up making hardware to get HP to license NeXTSTEP, shouldn't they do it? I hope that's not a requirement, I hope that NeXT will go ahead and put some interesting ideas like processor slots into hardware - but they may just not be able to have it both ways. I'm very fond of my NeXT keyboard (even with the pipe key in the wrong place) and crisp NeXT monitor, but I far rather see the very best part of the system - NeXTSTEP - survive, than have NeXT as a company dissapear, taking it's technology with it. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rs69@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Rong Shen) Subject: jpg to postscript converter Message-ID: <1993Jan28.202704.1461@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:27:04 GMT Hi: I would like to know whether there are softwares that can convert a jpg image file to postscript or ln03 format that can be printed out? If there are such softwares, can I get them through anonymous ftp? Thanks. Rong -- rs69@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu (Craig Pratt) Subject: SCSI cable needed - help! Message-ID: <1993Jan29.005153.13901@coe.montana.edu> Summary: db50 to db25 SCSI (Mac/Amiga style) Keywords: SCSI Sender: usenet@coe.montana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:51:53 GMT I picked up a 40MB drive, power supply and case from a friend to use as a swap drive. But, I need a cable. The case is wired with a 25-pin female port (db25, I guess). It was used on an Amiga but is supposedly identical to a Mac external SCSI drive. I have a NS Turbo Color. Where's the best place to get one of these beasts? Thanks. -- Craig Pratt pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu Montana State University, Bozeman MT gcp1070@msu.oscs.montana.edu "I hope if dogs ever take over the world, and they chose a king, they don't just go by size, because I bet there are some Chihuahuas with some good ideas."
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED: info on ZyXEL modem Keywords: modem, ZyXEL Message-ID: <1993Jan28.232605.20852@pencom.com> Date: 28 Jan 93 23:26:05 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software People: I'm interested in the ZyXEL 9600 modem (I don't know the model name). Can anyone tell me what the price on this is? I have the price for the 14.4 one, but that is out of my price range. Additionally, can the 9600 modem do faxing and voice? Additionally, BW Software has a package at a special price which includes the 14.4 and NXFax driver. Is there such a package for the 9600 modem? Please e-mail me directly. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 343-1111 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * ****************************
From: absinthe@viva.chem.washington.edu (Daniel Faken) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Date: 29 Jan 1993 01:27:52 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1ka16oINNpkm@shelley.u.washington.edu> References: <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> In article <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee Furnival) writes: > I just picked up the Feb. issue of UnixWorld because they have some big > thing on the Microsoft's Windows NT and how it will affect those in the > UNIX community. All of the sub-articles to this cover story basically > revolved around the concept of operating systems and which ones are better > and/or easier nad on and on and on.... > > Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, did I see NeXT or NeXTStep mentioned. They > talked about Solaris and how it will be or is (I can't remember) ported > to x86 and how great all of these OSs are and basically a bunch of crap. > So here they are talking about the next generation of operating systems > and how NT will dominate and UNIX better get their act together and how > cool Solaris is but never once did anyone say anything about NeXTStep! > > Now I must admit that I do not read UNIXWorld regularly, but the few times > that I have read it I have never seen NeXT mentioned for any reason. What > the hell? Also, I have yet to hear any UNIX freaks mention NeXT in a > serious discussion, yet they live to talk about SUN and others... > > So, my question is why is NeXT ignored in particular by UNIXWolrd and many > in the generic NeXT community?? Is it an economic thing, like NeXT doesn't > buy ad space in these magazines? What gives? > > Lee Furnival > eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu Ever read 'The Fountainhead,' by Ayn Rand? -- Daniel Faken | Name a poison, absinthe@u.washington.edu | pick your flavour.
From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Missing Docs? Message-ID: <3021@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> Date: 29 Jan 93 01:35:44 GMT Organization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA Is it just me, or did NeXT completely drop the documentation for Librarian, Mail, & Workspace for 3.0 that used to be in /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextUser under 2.x? Of course, Librarian has no help either... I crashed Librarian a time or two just playing with it. -- +----------------+ ! II CCCCCC ! Jim Cathey ! II SSSSCC ! ISC-Bunker Ramo ! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220 ! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com) ! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757 +----------------+ One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them. One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie.
From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 2.9 Message-ID: <3023@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> Date: 29 Jan 93 01:52:13 GMT Organization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA Still some flakes left in there. I tried to eject the OD from the Workspace (cmd-e) --- it didn't go, and then I remembered that I had left a shell cd'd to the OD, so I logged out of the shell too and tried to quit the Terminal. Hang city. Terminal wouldn't quit, nor would the disk eject. The Workspace just sat there wedged for something like 30 seconds or more before it gave me an error. Of course, by then I had hit cmd-e again, so it went through the cycle a few more times. Eventually by playing around in the Workspace it unjammed, and then cmd-e would work. Weird, and unsettling. -- +----------------+ ! II CCCCCC ! Jim Cathey ! II SSSSCC ! ISC-Bunker Ramo ! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220 ! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com) ! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757 +----------------+ One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them. One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie.
Organization: Sponsored account, Engineering And Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn,comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <4fO22ua00WBMA3aJdN@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:06:50 -0500 From: Yael Shavit <ys11+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: ISDN for NeXT Hi all, I'm trying to connect the Hayes ISDN extender to NeXT (running NeXTStep 3.0), and to run the PhoneConnector application. Did anyone manage to have a working ISDN on his NeXT machine ? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Yael Shavit Information Networking Institute Carnegie Mellon University
From: zeno@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Sean Lamont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compression for the archives ( was: Drive drive) Date: 29 Jan 1993 02:02:09 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1ka371INNs4d@shelley.u.washington.edu> References: <!#p30+=@rpi.edu> <1993Jan27.170859.11489@steggie.mtview.ca.us> <1993Jan27.203720.2007@macc.wisc.edu> In article <1993Jan27.203720.2007@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >One of the advantages of compression is that it saves >connect time, which is something many people have to pay for >in hard currency. In many cases it also saves bandwidth. >For small files, these savings are not very significant, >probably, but for big transfers (large files or whole >directories) the savings can be pretty impressive. > All you would have to do for this to be somewhat effective is have the remote system compress the files on file receive. This way, anything sent uncompressed would be auto-compressed and anything received would be compressed, always, since all the remote files in the directory listing would be compressed. -- Sean T. Lamont | "Don't oppress me, It's zeno@genetics.washington.edu | 'computer of color!' " lamont@abstractsoft.com |_______________________________ Abstract Software
From: yann@dagobah.fdn.org (Yann Lechelle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Log[in][out] Hooks / How to use and Why... Keywords: hook, login, logout Message-ID: <1993Jan28.092455.337@dagobah.fdn.org> Date: 28 Jan 93 09:24:55 GMT References: <1993Jan26.014835.1029@cesar.uucp> Sender: yann@dagobah.fdn.org Organization: Individual In article <1993Jan26.014835.1029@cesar.uucp> pat%expovision@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) writes: > I would like to know what exactly is a LOGIN HOOK and LOGOUT HOOK. > How does it work and why should we use it. a *Hook is a parameter of the 'loginwindow' program that executes a specified shell or program JUST before being LOGged-IN with Workspace (right after the second return in the login panel), and right after being LOGged-OUT of the Workspace (right before returning to the login panel). Here is an example; not the most useful but... always nice ! Being root, do the following: create a '/Welcome.snd' with your favorite sound recorder. create a 'playWelcome' text file with the following line: /usr/bin/sndplay /Welcome.snd & localhost> chmod +x /playWelcome localhost> dwrite loginwindow LoginHook /playWelcome Reboot and each login will be prompted by a vocal Welcome. Better now: create a 'playIndividualGoodBye' text file with the following line: /usr/bin/sndplay /Users/$1/Library/Sound/GoodBye.snd localhost> chmod +x /playIndividualGoodBye localhost> dwrite loginwindow LogoutHook /playIndividualGoodBye Reboot again (or kill loginwindow if you dare !!!). Provided that the users' directory path is /Users/*, each users will be good byed by his own message... Hasta la Vista from Schwarzenegger sounds fine for instance, or else !! If anyone has been creative with the *Hook's, let us know... see "man 'loginwindow'" -- / ================================================= \ \ Yann Lechelle (Paris, FRANCE) / / yann@dagobah.fdn.org Email/NeXTmail \ \ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ /
From: yann@dagobah.fdn.org (Yann Lechelle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer Keywords: extension, __TEXT, __cstring Message-ID: <1993Jan28.231539.770@dagobah.fdn.org> Date: 28 Jan 93 23:15:39 GMT References: <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> Sender: yann@dagobah.fdn.org Organization: Individual In article <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > How can a user "inform" the FileViewer that files with certain > extensions should have a corresponding app selected as the default > launch app? I know how to do this writing my own app., but I don't think it's easily feasible with any already-compiled app.. However, I think that something could be done with "Interface Opener". Check the '__TEXT:__cstring' segment of the application that you wish to add to the inspector's list for a given type and play with it, adding new extension names at the beginning... I'm sure you can get something out of it. Good luck ! Let me know if it works. Yann -- / ================================================= \ \ Yann Lechelle (Paris, FRANCE) / / yann@dagobah.fdn.org Email/NeXTmail \ \ "grep me no patterns and I'll tell you no lines." /
From: yann@dagobah.fdn.org (Yann Lechelle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer Message-ID: <1993Jan28.234413.1015@dagobah.fdn.org> Date: 28 Jan 93 23:44:13 GMT References: <1993Jan28.231539.770@dagobah.fdn.org> Sender: yann@dagobah.fdn.org Organization: Individual I just found another way, but didn't play with it still... in ~.Next/suffixes3_0.wmd it seems clear enough that the inspector uses this file for a given extention. However I know that this file is updated when necessary after Login (update anyway based upon the __cstring of each app. I think)... I really don't know if it does the clean up. Try adding your extension and see what happens.. Zlot! -- / ================================================= \ \ Yann Lechelle (Paris, FRANCE) / / yann@dagobah.fdn.org Email/NeXTmail \ \ "grep me no patterns and I'll tell you no lines." /
From: yann@dagobah.fdn.org (Yann Lechelle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer Message-ID: <1993Jan28.234543.1080@dagobah.fdn.org> Date: 28 Jan 93 23:45:43 GMT References: <1993Jan28.234413.1015@dagobah.fdn.org> Sender: yann@dagobah.fdn.org Organization: Individual I just found another way, but didn't play with it still... in ~.Next/suffixes3_0.wmd it seems clear enough that the inspector uses this file for a given extension. However I know that this file is updated when necessary after Login (update anyway based upon the __cstring of each app. I think)... I really don't know if it does the clean up. Try adding your extension and see what happens after relogging... Zlot! -- / ================================================= \ \ Yann Lechelle (Paris, FRANCE) / / yann@dagobah.fdn.org Email/NeXTmail \ \ "grep me no patterns and I'll tell you no lines." /
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Missing Docs? Message-ID: <C1Lnwt.Jt4@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Computing Center References: <3021@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 05:14:50 GMT In article <3021@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) writes: >Is it just me, or did NeXT completely drop the documentation for >Librarian, Mail, & Workspace for 3.0 that used to be in >/NextLibrary/Documentation/NextUser under 2.x? Of course, Librarian >has no help either... The NeXT User manual is not included on the 3.0 CD, but it does come with new systems, apparently. I'm not sure why it was left off -- maybe time constraints. The latest NeXTWorld says that you can order the manual from NeXT for $50. Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah. Look up." NeXT Mail accepted --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <C1LrL4.FB6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <82271@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 06:34:01 GMT >In article <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu writes: >> >>consider that, how often to you hear Mac being referred to as a 'real' >>computer by anyone other than a computer illiterate? My old VIC-20 is a 'real' computer. Maybe you should take some computer architecture courses. Your post reeks of unfounded snobbery. The Macintosh is a very capable platform for certain tasks, including desktop publishing and word processing. I feel that its OS is nowhere near as powerful as NeXTSTEP, and the lower models are way too underpowered. However, they have their place and are very capable machines. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Date: 29 Jan 1993 07:15:48 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <1kalj4INNb56@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <C1Ky0o.CH4@utstat.toronto.edu> <1993Jan28.220312.10967@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes: >Yes, I'm angry that PhotoShop isn't available on my NeXT machine, >too. That doesn't mean that NeXT is getting minimal support from >Adobe as a company. Shoot, it's got the best version of Display >PostScript inside - full Level 2, with the capability of pretending ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >like it's almost any kind of printer. I must admit that it's rather ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >easy to be ignorant of the level of support that NeXT really gets >from Adobe, but still... And a lot of good that does, as NeXT will not release the information on how to do that (and no, machportdevice is not enough!). With the current situation, there is a lot of silly PostScript emulation code to write, especially if you want to support Mac programs. Marcel
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <AfO7lmm00WB6R7eC8I@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:38:10 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: What are all these <mach-task> processes? In-Reply-To: <11428@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 28-Jan-93 What are all these <mach-ta.. by Patrick Robinson@ramandu > On my new ADB mono turbo station (running 3.0), I see all these > <mach-task> processes. More seem to appear as time goes by. I never > noticed anything like this on my old 2.1 system. They were there under the older versions of the system as well, I assure you. > "ps aux" returns lots and lots of lines like this: > > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND > root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? N 0:00 <mach-task> > root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? N 0:00 <mach-task> > root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? N 0:00 <mach-task> > > Is there a problem? They're apparently not using resources, but > they sure clutter up "ps" output, which is annoying. Is there anything > that can be done to get rid of these? There is no problem; this is quite normal. These "processes" represent threads within the kernel, and are a normal part of your system when it is under multi-user mode. They are shown when you use "ps" because they *are* actual entries within the process table. You can get rid of them by shutting down your computer :-).... Seriously, don't worry about these entries. Either use "ps au" or use an alias like the following to only see what you want to: % alias psg 'ps -aux | grep \!* | grep -v "grep \!*"' % psg '(*)' root 124 2.4 17.1 24.0M 3.41M ? S 397:26 - console (WindowServer) root 2 0.0 0.9 1.53M 184K co S 0:05 (mach_init) root 61 0.0 0.7 1.43M 152K ? SW 0:00 (portmap) root 64 0.0 0.8 1.45M 168K ? SW 0:00 (nibindd) root 68 0.0 1.4 1.52M 296K ? S 0:06 (lookupd) root 71 0.0 0.4 1.51M 88K ? S 0:00 (biod) root 72 0.0 0.4 1.51M 88K ? S 0:00 (biod) root 73 0.0 0.4 1.51M 88K ? S 0:00 (biod) root 74 0.0 0.4 1.51M 88K ? S 0:00 (biod) root 92 0.0 0.9 1.44M 176K ? SW 0:00 (inetd) root 120 0.0 0.9 1.51M 176K ? S 0:06 (cron) root 84 0.0 0.9 1.47M 192K ? S 0:01 (autonfsmount) root 125 0.0 3.1 3.66M 632K ? SW 0:01 - console (loginwindow) root 131 0.0 0.9 2.09M 192K ? SW 0:00 (appkitServer) root 0 0.0 11.4 16.2M 2.29M ? R N 778:19 (kernel idle) root 1509 0.0 1.9 1.54M 392K p1 S 0:04 -csh (csh) root 1539 0.0 1.0 1.54M 200K p2 SW 0:01 -csh (csh) psg '^chuck' will show all processes owned by user "chuck", etc.... -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: giddings@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Michael Giddings) Subject: Re: Mac to NeXTprinter ? Message-ID: <1993Jan29.074922.21719@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> Sender: news@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison References: <1993Jan28.125015.18219@cyantic.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 07:49:22 GMT In article <1993Jan28.125015.18219@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: > In article <1993Jan27.133747.481@bernina.ethz.ch> Florian.Gutzwiller@open.ch writes: > >Who can comment on decent solutions for printing on the NeXTprinter from a > >Macintosh with Ethernet. Our lab recently bought the product from IPT called ushare. Though the product seems to work reasonably well, but I have not seen many cases of documentation as poor as theirs. If you have a simple network situation, it is probably easy to set the program up by following the overly simplistic instructions given in the manual. In our lab, things are a different story. It took us quite a number of frustrating hours to get both AppleShare and Print Spooling working to/from NeXT-Macintosh without hitch. However, I must say, it has been working fine since we got it set up. -- Michael Giddings | DNA sequencing technologies giddings@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu | Artificial Intelligence giddings@cs.wisc.edu | Sciences NeXT User Group founder |---------\-----------/|\------------/---------|
From: cph@biostat.washington.edu (Chisheng Huang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: using cc from a cd-rom drive Date: 29 Jan 1993 08:18:14 GMT Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1kap86INNku7@shelley.u.washington.edu> I'd like to install the C compiler on a NeXTSTEP 3.0 CD-ROM onto a NeXTstation with a tiny disk drive of 105 megabytes. Due to the obvious space constraint, I'd like to keep the C compiler and its related files on the CD-ROM and make do with symbolic links. Could someone please tell me to which files symbolic links should be created. Thank you. Chisheng Huang cph@belgica.stat.washington.edu
From: jrg@doc.ic.ac.uk (James Grinter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Questions about PasteUp Date: 29 Jan 93 11:42:46 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, Univ. of London, UK Message-ID: <JRG.93Jan29114246@dove.doc.ic.ac.uk> References: <1k5mlpINNq31@pith.uoregon.edu> <1993Jan27.180041.8503@adobe.com> In-reply-to: byer@adobe.com's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:00:41 GMT While we're on a PasteUp thread, has anyone got any example they could send me of a few pages of a publication they've done that's in a newspaper columns style? I'm looking for postscript, as I don't (yet) have PasteUp but am looking for examples of its work. Thanks, James. -- James Grinter, Dept Of Computing, Imperial College, LONDON, SW7 2BZ.
From: zeke@esosun.UUCP (James Dehnert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Loosenet ( was Re: NeXTmail at home (was: Downloading mail by modem?)) Keywords: NeTXmail Message-ID: <1085@esosun.UUCP> Date: 28 Jan 93 22:57:54 GMT References: <1993Jan28.193720.153497@zeus.calpoly.edu> Organization: Science Applications International Corp., San Diego ------->8====== This reminds me of something that crossed my mind some time ago. As more and more people have computers at home and more and more have modems it would be nice to have a program that would call somebody and send them e-mail. As an address you would have a phone # as opposed to an internet address. The mailed would actomagically know to use the modem to send that person e-mail. It would keep i trying until it got through. The one drawback that I see is how to get around the need for a dedicated line. Is it possible to determine if a cal is voice, modem. or fax before the off-hook signal is sent? If so then all the program would have to do is pick up the call if it was a computer, otherwise just let it ring through. Any thoughts on this? ========8<------ A friend of mine has a fax machine that he claims can preform this kind of discinction. I found it easiest to get a dedicated line, no one accidentially picks it up 5 minutes before the end of a 2 hour download, I can stay on line as long as I want ( or can afford ) other people can call whenever they like, even ay 4 in the AM because theres no phone on the line and the modem is silent. I managed to get mail and news by asking around at the university and finding a person who would give me a free uucp feed ( he even put me in his domain to make mail easier! ) If you can keep all your calls local the line will cost about $30/month, mine averages about $40. If ISDN ever gets here that may solve all these problems ( and it may not ), but it does nothing for us now. Your mail with the phone number is an interesting idea, but you also have to tell it where to call from. UUCP can do what you have described. If you mail to just a few people you can just have your computer call them directly. I have been toying with the idea of a "loosenet" The idea is to get a group of people that can connect via local calls either with slip, uucp, or both, and group a small area together as a "loose network" each user can pay the admin say $5/month to maintain some kind of mail connection to the outside world, and deal with the complexities of being a mail server. Another person could do the same with news, and everyone could have a gopher or anonymous ftp setup if the had more to contribute. I went so far as to get a class C set of addresses, but my fellow experimenters don't seem to be as interested as I. One is turning into a mail/news bridge for his employer, another i have lost contact with, but the third is still experimenting with me. We have SLIP working and I am trying to get anonymous FTP and a gopher server up. My biggest problem is that I'm in a somewhat remote location, so most calls in my area to me and from me are toll calls. Zeke -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ = James "Zeke" Dehnert zeke@mode.css.gov = + SAIC Geophysical Div. Eschew Obfuscation + =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
From: zeke@esosun.UUCP (James Dehnert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Building Gopher server Message-ID: <1084@esosun.UUCP> Date: 28 Jan 93 21:26:13 GMT Organization: Science Applications International Corp., San Diego I plan to build a gopher server on my next for use over SLIP. Has anyone built a gopher server on the NeXT? I'd also like to build the terminal interface too. Are there things to look out for when doing this? Lastly, I'd like to put my C Source code CDROM on the sysem and make it available for anon FTP and gopher. has anyone found a way to index a CDROM? Thanks, Zeke -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ = James "Zeke" Dehnert zeke@mode.css.gov = + SAIC Geophysical Div. Eschew Obfuscation + =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: miron@extropia.wimsey.bc.ca (Miron Cuperman) Subject: Re: 128 MByte Optical Drives and NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan29.110119.1846@extropia.wimsey.bc.ca> Organization: Immortal Freedom's Deck References: <1993Jan15.125044.14808@linus.mitre.org> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 11:01:19 GMT wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes: > Does anyone have an experience in connecting a 128 MByte R/W optical > to a NeXT? Can we expect that SCSI versions of these devices will > work without problems? The La-Cie optical drive needed a disktab to work properly, and it gives some (benign) "BUSY" kernel errors when a disk is inserted. Here is the disktab that I use: MATSHITALF-3000-512:\ :ty=removable_rw_scsi:nc#1295:nt#8:ns#12:ss#512:rm#3000:\ :fp#320:bp#0:ng#0:gs#0:ga#0:ao#0:\ :os=sdmach:z0#64:z1#192:ro=a:\ :pa#0:sa#248506:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#30:da#4096:ra#5:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa: It's probably far from optimal. I patched my kernel to stop the BUSY errors from being printed. -- Miron Cuperman <miron@extropia.wimsey.com> | NeXTmail/Mime ok <miron@cs.sfu.ca> | Public key avail AMIX: MCuperman | cyberspacecomputingcryptoimmortalitynetworkslaissezfaire
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mdw@violin.hr.att.com (Mark Wuest) Subject: Re: Downloading mail by modem? Message-ID: <1993Jan29.135126.24779@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Originator: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T References: <C1K72o.KGG@utstat.toronto.edu> <1k8ob5INN121@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 13:51:26 GMT I do this from Compuserve. What you want to do is actually simpler, but here's what my kermit script does (I'm at work, the script is at home): logs on looks for the string that says I have mail waiting if not, it just logs off and exits kermit if so, it does "go easy" to go to the mail service it does "dow/pro:kermit all" which downloads all of my mail it answers the prompt for local file name and does a "receive" it then does a local shell/sed stuff to break the mail apart, has to make sure there is a "From agent" line at the beginning of each item (why, I don't know, but this is important), and just appends using "cat foo >> /usr/spool/mail/mdw". Mail.app takes over from there. I hope this is not too cryptic. ;-) Mark -- Mark Wuest | *MY* opinions, not AT&T's!! mdw@violin.att.com (Sun Mailtool Ok) | mdw@cheshire.att.com (NeXT Mail) |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) Subject: Re: Mac to NeXTprinter ? - SUMMARY Message-ID: <1993Jan29.143956.1958@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH References: <1993Jan29.074922.21719@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 14:39:56 GMT I got feedback from InterCon. They offer a software called InterPrint that does lpr over MacTCP and makes the Unix printers (not only NeXT) appear in the Chooser. This is exactly what I want. For more Information contact sales@intercon.com So long ... -Florian -- Florian Gutzwiller Tel: +41 61 262 05 10, Fax: +41 61 262 05 10 Open Systems AG, Basel flog@Open.CH Switzerland S=gutzwiller;O=open;P=EUnet=A=EUnet;C=CH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) Subject: Latest Mathematica version Message-ID: <1993Jan29.142715.156@cs.wm.edu> Sender: news@cs.wm.edu (News System) Organization: The College of William and Mary Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 14:27:15 GMT I just received my NeXT Station Turbo (with the wrong keyboard, will have to swap the entire thing in one week, but that is a different, sad, story). I have a few questions for anybody who has just both a NeXT with 3.0 through an educational channel: (1) What version of Mathematica did you get? (2.0 or 2.1?) (2) How did you physically get it? (Was it installed? Was it in a separate package, all but the password? Was it just a request form for the actual floppies and password?) Please let me know by e-mail -- Gianfranco Ciardo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ObjC books? Message-ID: <0096753C.41E49E3E@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> From: citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 16:00:17 GMT Distribution: na,local Organization: University of Arizona Howdy, If you've a moment and know of any good Objective-C books, please make a recommendation to citdem@happy.rc.arizona.edu (or the net). Thanks Don citdem@happy.rc.arizona.edu .
From: kdb@dukebar (Kurt Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ZyXEL vs. Supra Message-ID: <9277@news.duke.edu> Date: 29 Jan 93 16:20:04 GMT References: <BmaNXB4w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> Sender: news@news.duke.edu With all this discussion over the virtues of the Supra and Zyxel modems, I for one would like to find the best possible prices for both. The best price I can find for the Zyxel U-1496E is from: SI Services (215) 675-7507 Can anyone find someone with a better price and what's the best price to be found for the Supra V.32bisFAX modem? Would it be inappropriate to post the best prices found here? Kurt D. Bollacker Basic Arrhythmia Lab kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu Duke Univ. Medical Center 919-660-5104 Durham, NC 27710
From: jefferis@manas.engr.widener.edu (Raymond P Jefferis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ISDN for NeXT Date: 29 Jan 1993 17:12:56 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <1kboioINNmol@cs.widener.edu> References: <4fO22ua00WBMA3aJdN@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <4fO22ua00WBMA3aJdN@andrew.cmu.edu> Yael Shavit writes: > Did anyone manage to have a working ISDN on his NeXT machine ? I can't get PA Bell to give me ISDN at all! How did you get it in Pittsburgh? Raymond
From: bostrov@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU (Vareck Bostrom) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Date: 29 Jan 1993 09:09:42 -0800 Organization: College of Engineering, Oregon State University Message-ID: <1kbocmINNsop@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> References: <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <82271@hydra.gatech.EDU> <C1LrL4.FB6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <C1LrL4.FB6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: >>In article <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu writes: >>> >>>consider that, how often to you hear Mac being referred to as a 'real' >>>computer by anyone other than a computer illiterate? > >My old VIC-20 is a 'real' computer. Maybe you should take some >computer architecture courses. >Your post reeks of unfounded snobbery. The Macintosh is a very >capable platform for certain tasks, including desktop publishing and >word processing. I feel that its OS is nowhere near as powerful as >NeXTSTEP, and the lower models are way too underpowered. However, >they have their place and are very capable machines. I think that part of the problem with NeXT is that they started competing with the wrong machines, PC's, and Macintosh rather than Suns. They should have jumped to RISC cpu's a while back probably, and started competing with Sun's and HP's back when the first 040 slab was released. Would it have been THAT difficult for them to have released an 88000 based slab? The 88000 probably isn't THAT much faster than the 68040 (actually, the 88k isn't much faster at all; DC Aviion 412 gets 35385.7 dhrys at gcc -O, whereas the NSTC gets 34285 with gcc -O. I don't have FP results for the Aviion but I remember they wernt THAT good) Come to think of it, WHY do you need a faster CPU than the 33/040? Let's think about this. Where I have noticed the need for a faster CPU (or machine) than a NSTC: 1) ray traceing is the big one. Some of my .ray files take upwards of 2 or 3 days to run on a NSTC, only at 500x500 resolution. 2) Running WordPerfect.. there is a delay between typing and the characters appearing on the screen. I think this might be poor programming, because WriteNow is very responsive. 3) Running 3D drawing programs, such as 3D-Reality and Tesseract. The wireframes move around in a choppy manner, this isn't too bad, really, but a faster CPU would be nicer. #1 is the only seriously bad one. It's hard to let the thing run for three days on end just to make an image for fun. I get around this by letting one of the school's CPUs run it, usually a HP9000/730, which can finish the job overnight. If people have this problem with performance, then BUY a HP9000/735 or SPARC 10/30 (which isn't so hot on FP, by the way) and put it on your housenet - I would bet you'd still use your NeXT for quite a few things - just use the HP for a compute server. Too bad they cost $27,000. For around the price of a NSTC you're not going to find too much that's reasonably superior to NeXT in performance. A color HP SNAKE (710) goes for $17,000+ (or $12,000 if you're a student) (i believe) and for that all you're getting is good Floating Point - Integer is still not much better than a NSTC: 37941 dhrys vs. 34285 dhrys, gcc 2.3.3 -O - and HPs need RAM even more badily than NeXTs. Part of the reason that there's not too much public domain software for NeXT is, as was pointed out, many NeXT users are college students who work (to pay for the NeXT) and go to school, and don't really have enough time to write software on the side. I suspect that there is quite a bit of interesting software out there for NeXT, but the people that write it don't upload it because it was written for a specific purpose. I wrote a nifty planetary body gravitation simulator for the NeXT in about three days for a physics astronomy class a while back. Turned out real nice for my first attempt at programming a NeXT and I COULD NOT do it with anything else in that time, though my friend who took the class with me did write one for xview - in about twice the amount of time. And his program didn't run any faster on the Sparc 1+ than mine did on my NeXTCube 040. Also the NeXT user base is really small. A NeXT machine with a PA-RISC cpu would be really cool, yes, espically if I could say: pa-next> Tesseract -NXHost turbo-next I really don't need a faster CPU except for a few specific things, and if there was one compute server level NeXT that would probably do the trick. NextStep 486 won't do the trick, btw, as a compute server, unless the Pentium is REALLY fast, the 486DX2-66 is a poor floating point performer (16.1 Spec92FP) -Vareck bostrov@engr.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: steggie!eric (Eric Fronberg) Subject: Re: Compression for the archives ( was: Drive drive) Message-ID: <1993Jan29.155704.19217@steggie.mtview.ca.us> Sender: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us Organization: Mountain View, Ca USA References: <1993Jan27.203720.2007@macc.wisc.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 15:57:04 GMT In article <1993Jan27.203720.2007@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > In article <1993Jan27.170859.11489@steggie.mtview.ca.us> > I wrote: > > >The source of FTP is generally available. Why not modify FTP do all > >the compressing/uncompressing on the users behalf. Any worthwhile > >compression scheme could be used (zip, gzip, perhaps even a command > >line version of squash, if it exists) > > Yet Another Standard (YAS)? But your point is rendered > moot, I think, by the next factoid: > Please consider the argument below. > >A person submitting a file would just ftp it to an archive sight and > >ftp would pipe the file through some compression algorithm and onto > >the disk. Likewise when one extracts a file from the archive the > >file is decompressed (if it was compressed in the first place) and > >given to the user. > > One of the advantages of compression is that it saves > connect time, which is something many people have to pay for > in hard currency. In many cases it also saves bandwidth. > For small files, these savings are not very significant, > probably, but for big transfers (large files or whole > directories) the savings can be pretty impressive. > So I'd suggest that the ftp daemon that receives the data runs compress first producing a '.Z' version and does further compression running some higher grade compression algorithm. Of course this is only valid to the degree that the second compression algorithm can really reduce file size. I saw someone's results of zipping files vs compressing vs ... here but I didn't keep a copy. It might be worth some investigation. If the above were valid then users would see connect time to be equal to what they see today. > >This way the people submitting and the people retrieving data need > >never concern themselves with how the data is stored just that it's > >accessible. > > You've forgotten the Golden Rule: those with the gold make > the rules. :-) > All too true. > -- > [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] > [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] > [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] > [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------] -- eric -------------------------------------------------------------- | Eric Fronberg | email: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us | | Mountain View CA | ...!{sun,sgi,ultra}!steggie!eric | | 415 967-2748 | vmail: "Hey, you!" | --------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <1993Jan29.155039.6226@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Jan28.165219.16402@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 15:50:39 GMT In article <1993Jan28.165219.16402@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: >>mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman) writes: >>: In article <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee >>: Furnival) writes: >>: >Now I must admit that I do not read UNIXWorld regularly, but the few times >>: >that I have read it I have never seen NeXT mentioned for any reason. What >>: >the hell? Also, I have yet to hear any UNIX freaks mention NeXT in a >>: >serious discussion, yet they live to talk about SUN and others... >>: >> >><tantrum regarding NeXT's deleted> >> >>Ahem. SunWorld rated the NeXTStation Turbo Color higher than a similarly >>configured Sun. >> >>Either Unix World or Unix Review (don't recall which) recently reviewed >>NeXTSTEP3.0 and Solaris in the same issue. They raved about NeXTSTEP, and >>yawned about Solaris. >> >>As for the amount of software available for the NeXT (esp. games): >> >>Perhaps it's because NeXT programmers have lives? Unlike Amiga/Sun dorks. >>(I'm not surprised you mentioned the Amiga. Question: If the Amiga's such >>a good computer, how come HP never talked to CBM about AmigaOS?) >> >>I can see a big, nasty thread coming. Lets move this on over to c.s.n.adv. >> >> >>-- >> >>Jonathan W. Hendry >>Drexel University College Of Information Studies >>Anderson Financial Systems jon@afs.com Right behind ya'! -- Ronald Pomeroy "The Internet is just a giant petri dish" Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ISDN for NeXT Message-ID: <2810@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 29 Jan 93 19:47:02 GMT References: <4fO22ua00WBMA3aJdN@andrew.cmu.edu> <1kboioINNmol@cs.widener.edu> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <1kboioINNmol@cs.widener.edu> jefferis@manas.engr.widener.edu (Raymond P Jefferis) writes: >In article <4fO22ua00WBMA3aJdN@andrew.cmu.edu> Yael Shavit writes: >> Did anyone manage to have a working ISDN on his NeXT machine ? > >I can't get PA Bell to give me ISDN at all! How did you get it in >Pittsburgh? >Raymond Yes, I (living IN Pittsburgh) would like to know how you got ISDN and who I need to talk to at the utility.... -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXT, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. **
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Excluding files from a DL index? Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:15:16 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k94b4INNcis@golden.kaleida.com> Is there a way to have Digital Librarian exclude certain files when making building an Index? I checked the FAQs but couldn't find anything on this. Reply via e-mail to marcos@kaleida.com. Thanks. Paul .................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail marcos@kaleida.com Kaleida Labs, Inc. welcome! (415) 966-0873 ....................................................................
From: mas@porgy.jpl.nasa.gov (Marc A. Sarrel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT sound to Mac sound??? Date: 28 Jan 93 17:45:55 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Distribution: comp Message-ID: <MAS.93Jan28094555@porgy.jpl.nasa.gov> Is there a utility program that will convert a NeXT format sound file to a Mac format sound file? Or, is there a program that will take a raw file of numbers and convert them to a Mac format sound file? advTHANKSance, Marc -- Marc Sarrel "My squid's name is Ned, or maybe Fred. Jet Propulsion Laboratory He's painted red mas@mipl8.jpl.nasa.gov To match his bed. A pedigreed squid thoroughbred Is Ned, or Fred, or is it Ted?" -B. Kliban
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compression for the archives ( was: Drive drive) Date: 29 Jan 1993 19:49:11 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1kc1nnINNjio@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Jan27.203720.2007@macc.wisc.edu> <1993Jan29.155704.19217@steggie.mtview.ca.us> >> Of course this is only valid to the degree that the second >> compression algorithm can really reduce file size. The only way it can (to any real extent) is to first undo what the first compression algorithm did. Compression depends on characteristics of the expected input--text, source, and executables in this case. Those characteristics are not at all present in compressed files, even when the compression is poor. You will always get far better compression with zip than with compress|zip. There are cases where the compression is so extreme (e.g. on a long string of zeros), that a second application will help significantly, i.e. zip|zip. However, normal data does not benefit from a second hit. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <33oq022n34DB01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 29 Jan 93 19:49:12 GMT References: <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <82271@hydra.gatech.EDU> <C1LrL4.FB6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1kbocmINNsop@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Sender: netnews@Frobozz.COM Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA In article <1kbocmINNsop@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, bostrov@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU (Vareck Bostrom) writes: *stuff deleted* >Part of the reason that there's not too much public domain software for There is quite a bit high quality PD software for the NeXT. I guess all the stuff at various archives doesn't count. >NeXT is, as was pointed out, many NeXT users are college students >who work (to pay for the NeXT) and go to school, and don't really have enough >time to write software on the side. I suspect that there is quite a bit >of interesting software out there for NeXT, but the people that write it >don't upload it because it was written for a specific purpose. I wrote >a nifty planetary body gravitation simulator for the NeXT in about three >days for a physics astronomy class a while back. Turned out real nice >for my first attempt at programming a NeXT and I COULD NOT do it with >anything else in that time, though my friend who took the class with me >did write one for xview - in about twice the amount of time. And his >program didn't run any faster on the Sparc 1+ than mine did on my NeXTCube >040. > >(16.1 Spec92FP) > >-Vareck >bostrov@engr.orst.edu You shoudl know about the archive, one of them is orst. -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing */ /* on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't */ /* make you a diner. Being here in America doesn't make you an */ /* American." */ /* --Malcolm X */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wisdom@geom.umn.edu Subject: NeXT blurb on National Public Radio's Science Friday Message-ID: <C1MwAK.Ez2@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 21:13:32 GMT Did anyone else hear this blurb? Science Friday is a radio talk show on NPR which also takes questions/comments from callers. They were talking to someone from the FBI about communications and technology, and were on the subject of encryption. Someone called in and mentioned that there was a computer company which wanted to ship advanced encryption software with their OS, but could not do it because of government objections (He stated that the government would not buy into it if the encryption was included). The FBI guy said "oh, that's lotus notes.". The caller interrupted him and said , "no, it's NeXTMail". The FBI guy said something like, "Ok, well it's the same as lotus notes - they wanted to use DES encryption". I guess the caller was cut off, because he did not correct the FBI guy again. It's too bad, because I would like to hear what he and the other guests had to say about that. Oh well.. Chances are, that caller is on the net reading this right now. -Scott Wisdom wisdom@geom.umn.edu
From: kwei@titan.ucs.umass.edu (William Wei) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CDPlayer, how? Date: 29 Jan 1993 16:58:14 -0500 Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1kc99mINN387@titan.ucs.umass.edu> I launched it and a message panel showed up saying something like " Can't find audio-CD drive". Any body know the right procedure to play with it?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmeacham@world.std.com (James Meacham) Subject: UUCP setup Message-ID: <C1Mx58.I9o@world.std.com> Summary: Need info on UUCP connection Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 21:31:53 GMT Anyone know how to connect a NeXT via UUCP on a 2400 modem? I've got a UUCP feed starting in a couple of days, but I don't know the first thing about getting connected. Are there any sources that I can go to for this kind of info? Thanks James MEacham
From: kwei@titan.ucs.umass.edu (William Wei) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer, how? Date: 29 Jan 1993 17:16:49 -0500 Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1kcachINN4uo@titan.ucs.umass.edu> References: <1kc99mINN387@titan.ucs.umass.edu> BTW. I have a NeXT CD-ROM.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ram@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhu Ram) Subject: Is there a SoftPC for nexts ? Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Message-ID: <C1n1vJ.BGr@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 23:14:07 GMT Distribution: na Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Hi, Is there a softpc for nexts too ? All I see are for macs, suns and Decs. If there is one, where can I get it from, thanks, -Prabhu
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIDI Interface? Date: 29 Jan 1993 23:43:59 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Message-ID: <1kcffvINNafi@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1993Jan20.173641.4431@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1993Jan22.030253.402@metrosoft.com> In article <1993Jan22.030253.402@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: >In article <1993Jan20.173641.4431@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> >laurent@mycroft.math.ualberta.ca (Laurent Marcoux) writes: >> I have also heard that one can use MIDI interfaces >> designed for the Mac provided one uses MIDI-cables for >> the NeXT. If someone knows more about this can he/she let >> me know? >Not all Mac MIDI interfaces will work. We are aware of two >that we know for sure do. The Opcode Studio 3 and MOTU Midi >Timepiece II both work with the NeXT provided you use the >correct cable. Opcode is aware of the cable requirements >and I believe they ordered a small quantity from a San >Diego cable company we set them up with. > >Gordon Okay, here is the trick. Given that the MTPII will work with a NeXT, has anyone even considered writing a software driver for it? Some of the best features of the MTPII are available only through the console software included for Mac. Unless this changes I may find myself buying a PowerBook100 just to run the MTPII console. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Currier | Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | "This is the best darn mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | Pizza-in-a-Cup I have alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu (NeXTmail only) | ever tasted!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.announce,ualberta.announce From: kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Kenny Leung) Subject: NeXTEdge Developer's Camp to be held in Edmonton Message-ID: <1993Jan29.151147.24615@cubetech.com> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 15:11:47 GMT A NeXTEdge Developer's camp will be held at the University of Alberta Campus in Edmonton on February 22. The course lasts for 4 Days and costs $1800. It's not easy to get the guys to come up here from California, so take advantage of it while you can. We can also help you in finding suitable accomodations here. Just contact me at the address below. -- ------------------------------------------------------- Kenny Leung Campus Consultant University of Alberta kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca audix x5537
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dlewis@fnma.com Subject: Re: SCSI cable needed - help! Message-ID: <1993Jan29.202458.14232@almserv.uucp> Sender: usenet@almserv.uucp Organization: Fannie Mae References: <1993Jan29.005153.13901@coe.montana.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 20:24:58 GMT In article <1993Jan29.005153.13901@coe.montana.edu> pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu (Craig Pratt) writes: > I picked up a 40MB drive, power supply and case from a friend to use as > a swap drive. But, I need a cable. The case is wired with a 25-pin > female port (db25, I guess). It was used on an Amiga but is supposedly > identical to a Mac external SCSI drive. I have a NS Turbo Color. > > Where's the best place to get one of these beasts? > I haven't seen this cable sold commercially. DIT (505-662-1459) has had these cables custom-made for one of their products, and they might sell you one. Another solution is to chain the unit off of a drive that has the SCSI-1 Centronics 50-pin, and then connect that drive to the NeXT. DB-25 to 50-pin SCSI-1 and 50-pin SCSI-1 to 50-pin SCSI-2 cables are both a lot easier to come by. DL --- David Lewis Senior Software Engineer On contract to: Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) dlewis@fnma.com (NeXTmail OK), 202-752-4785
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Latest Mathematica version Message-ID: <1993Jan30.003303.8499@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Jan29.142715.156@cs.wm.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 00:33:03 GMT In article <1993Jan29.142715.156@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: >> >>I just received my NeXT Station Turbo (with the wrong keyboard, >>will have to swap the entire thing in one week, but that is a >>different, sad, story). >> >>I have a few questions for anybody who has just both a NeXT with >>3.0 through an educational channel: >> >>(1) What version of Mathematica did you get? (2.0 or 2.1?) >> >>(2) How did you physically get it? (Was it installed? Was it in a >>separate package, all but the password? Was it just a request form >>for the actual floppies and password?) >> >>Please let me know by e-mail >> >>-- Gianfranco Ciardo The latest version of Mma is 2.1. I ordered it for $50.00 (upgrade price, and well worth it if you plan to use Mma heavily)from Wolfram. -- Ronald Pomeroy "The Internet is just a virtual giant petri dish" Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
From: infidel+@CMU.EDU (Charles William Swiger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <gfO9P6K00WB6R7e0Vi@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 16:30:30 GMT Article-I.D.: andrew.gfO9P6K00WB6R7e0Vi Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA In-Reply-To: <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Oh, my...flamebait. I'll try to resist the temptation, though, and simply point out a few facts here and there. Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 28-Jan-93 Re: Why is NeXT ignored? by Michael C. Neuman@cwru.edu > [...munch...] > and there exist virtually no plug in cards (since only a dimension supports > them anyway!) Incorrect. All Cube owners have slots, not just Dimension owners. Besides which, who really cares? I can't think of anything that I want that I don't already have built in or can't connect via either the serial ports, the SCSI bus, or place on the network. > 3) People actually WRITE software for the Sun. NeXT is so stuck on their > Objective-C crap, that no one actually writes anything. Just compare the > number of X applications written on a Sun versus the number of NeXTstep > apps written on a NeXT. I wouldn't be surprised if NeXT won that comparison, if you consider the fact that you can run those programs on a NeXT running X windows. Try comparing programs written *exclusively* for Sun's OpenWindows versus programs written *exclusively* for NeXTstep and see what you get.... > [ Objective-C abuse deleted...go read the original post if you really want > to... ] Objective-C is the most flexible, powerful, and usable language that I know of suitable for generic programming. While LISP, SML, and others offer advantages for specific purposes, Obj-C suits a large range of problems. I'd really be interested to hear what other language you believe is better. Don't bother suggesting C++; NeXT's Objective-C is fully capable of doing Objective-C++. > 4) The ONLY benefit NeXT offers over Sun is the user interface. And if you > consider that, how often to you hear Mac being referred to as a 'real' > computer by anyone other than a computer illiterate? I disagree. NeXT machines are far easier to operate and administer than Suns. Have you ever tried to administer a heterogenous, multi-protocol network that is undergoing continuous changes? My NeXT was *much* simpler to keep running, and offered substantially better connectivity than a group of Sun SPARCs running SunOS 4.1.x. IMHO, there's something badly wrong with an operating environment that requires an expert permenently dedicated to simply keeping a set of Sun machines functional. I could point out a number of other advantages that NeXTs have over any other machine you care to name, but I refuse to try to hold a discussion with someone who's apparently closed his mind to the facts. The Mac is a perfectly 'real' computer. People who need to do word processing, graphic design, and spreadsheets, but don't want to program can be quite happy with a Mac. For a simple reason, too: it does what they need it to without confusing them or requiring a lot of computer expertise to operate - 'they' being the 'computer illiterates' you denigrate. Putting it mildly, these poor computer illiterates have the right to be able to use a computer. The average user doesn't deserve abuse simply because he (or she) doesn't know as much as an expert does. Hmm, this thread should probably move to c.s.n.advocacy. No doubt there'll be people who want to flame the original posting. (You can flame me as well, if you are so motivated. <shrug>) -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
From: me@ienext.unl.edu (Dan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Excluding files from a DL index? Date: 29 Jan 1993 21:39:50 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <1kc876INNmoq@crcnis1.unl.edu> References: <1k94b4INNcis@golden.kaleida.com> In article <1k94b4INNcis@golden.kaleida.com> marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) writes: : Is there a way to have Digital Librarian exclude certain files : when making building an Index? I checked the FAQs but : couldn't find anything on this. Maybe I'm all wet, but couldn't you just drag those files out of the folder, index the remaining files in the folder, and then drag the other files back in? I haven't tried it , but it *seems* reasonable... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Scott me@ienext.unl.edu NeXT mail welcome ----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lairdb@crash.cts.com (Laird P. Broadfield) Subject: Fuzzy screen on color slab: help! Organization: "Well, a head on top, an arm on each side, two legs...." Date: 30 Jan 93 00:28:28 GMT Message-ID: <lairdb.728353708@crash.cts.com> I don't know if there's a fix for this, or if it's the way it's supposed to be: we got a color slab some months ago, and no-one here can use it without getting headaches from the fuzzy screen. Unfortuantely, we have only the one, so I'm not sure if that's just the way it is, or if we've got a bogus one. It's the 17" screen, but I've also tried hot-wiring it to a NEC 5FG and it didn't look much different. Are there any adjustments on either the screen or the slab that I can play with? Thanks! -- Laird P. Broadfield lairdb@crash.cts.com ...{ucsd, nosc}!crash!lairdb Hi! I'm a shareware signature! Send $5 if you use me, send $10 for manual!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kaya@world.std.com (Kaya Bekiroglu) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <C1nA6t.Itq@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> <1ka16oINNpkm@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 02:13:40 GMT In article <1ka16oINNpkm@shelley.u.washington.edu> absinthe@u.washington.edu writes: >In article <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee >Furnival) writes: >> [munch] >> Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, did I see NeXT or NeXTStep mentioned. They >> talked about Solaris and how it will be or is (I can't remember) ported >> to x86 and how great all of these OSs are and basically a bunch of crap. >> So here they are talking about the next generation of operating systems >> and how NT will dominate and UNIX better get their act together and how >> cool Solaris is but never once did anyone say anything about NeXTStep! >> >> [muncho texto] >> So, my question is why is NeXT ignored in particular by UNIXWolrd and many >> in the generic NeXT community?? Is it an economic thing, like NeXT doesn't >> buy ad space in these magazines? What gives? >> >> Lee Furnival >> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu > >Ever read 'The Fountainhead,' by Ayn Rand? Yes I have. The better question to ask is, "Has Steve Jobs read 'The Fountainhead,' by Ayn Rand?" I sure hope he did! > >-- > Daniel Faken | Name a poison, >absinthe@u.washington.edu | pick your flavour. -- Kaya Bekiroglu - "Don't mind him, he's just crazy" kaya@world.std.com [If you're looking for something witty and amusing here, then congratulations, you've just found it]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: RTF/RTFD source files (was Re: Silly NeXT question from user who should know the answer) Message-ID: <1993Jan29.180257.254@afs.com> Sender: michael@afs.com References: <1k972pINNi0i@morrow.stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 18:02:57 GMT In article <1k972pINNi0i@morrow.stanford.edu> Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU writes: > In article <1993Jan26.232845.12294@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu > writes: > > How can a user "inform" the FileViewer that files with certain > > extensions should have a corresponding app selected as the default > > launch app? It's easy enough to select an app already displayed in the > > Tools panel of the inspector, but how does one add a new choice? Dragging > > an icon into that area doesn't seem to work (it should!)... > > This is partially what the old 'Unknown' application does, though I've not > posted a 3.0 version of it since it's original function keeps getting reduced > as NeXT fixes/changes things. It basically is a remapping app that assigns > icons and owners to file types that don't have them don't have the right ones. > > Unfortunately, Unknown or any of the various 'edit the iconheader' suggestions > are not guaranteed to work as it also depends on how the target application is > implemented. It has to both accept files with the appropriate method and not > be overly picky about filtering out extensions it doesn't recognize. (Some > do reject based on extension even though the content might have been OK.) > > - Christopher Speaking of recognizing contents vs. recognizing extensions, Edit should recognize RTFD files (that is, file packages) even if they don't have the .rtfd extension. Why? Why not? But we have a good reason for it anyway: We have (thanks to Charles Lloyd at Wiltel) a C precompiler that can handle RTF source files. Basically, it strips out the RTF encoding, leaving behind the plain text, then preprocesses as usual. This works perfectly with PB, Edit, GDB, etc. with respect to line numbers and other such stuff. Because Edit recognizes RTF content rather than a .rtf extension, the files can be .[hm] like normal sources. We plan to use this for 100% self-documenting header files, which would take the place of separate documents like NeXT uses now for class documentation. They look just like NeXT class documentation, except that sections like "Constants and Defined Types" tend to be moved to the top of the file and there are occasional comment delimiters. It's way cool. Not so for RTFD. Take any RTFD file, file.rtfd, and change the extension to anything, say file.h. Now, double click it in FileViewer. What you get in the Edit window is the directory file contents, not the RTFD. Thus, RTFD files will not work the way RTF files do as described above. So, you're SOL if your self-documenting source file wants to be RTFD. It's FUBAR. What would it take to get Edit (or any other utility) to recognize RTFD regardless of file extension? I can't imagine it's much, and I think it's justified for the above reasons alone. Michael -- Michael_Pizolato@afs.com ~18 kyu Q16 NeXTMail appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <1993Jan29.183002.8872@afs.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Sender: greg@afs.com References: <1993Jan28.220312.10967@adobe.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 18:30:02 GMT OK. I've been staying out of this one, but as the person quoted near the end of the Business Week article as saying "I wouldn't feel sad at all if the hardware went away," let me explain what I meant and why I think this whole discussion has moved somewhat afield of the core issues. Remember the fundamental truth of computing: "Users buy applications, not hardware." Case in point: a large bank in New York. By now, many of you have heard that this firm is using NeXT hardware on their trading floor. As the person who made that sale and is delivering the goods, I can tell you that, as a corporation, they didn't give two s**ts about black hardware when they signed up. They saw an application they loved (our money market trading software), and they bought the computer they needed to run it. It's that simple. Over time they have come to see the benefits of using NeXTSTEP, but it's not why they committed in the first place. Another quick case study: about a year ago, Harvard Business Review ran an article about the computer-less computer company. Apple was mentioned as an example of a company that might have taken over the desktop in the 80s if it hadn't insisted on being a proprietary hardware company. Instead, the authors claim, Microsoft adapted all the best parts of the Mac desktop metaphor, repackaged them on an Intel-based OS, and sold millions more copies of Windows than Apple will ever sell of System7. You could insert "NeXT" at every reference to "Apple" in the article, and this current hardware/software debate would eerily replay itself, except now the choices are NT and NeXTSTEP. God give SJ the strength to learn from his last experience and plow full speed ahead with the goal of owning the desktop in the 90s, whatever the hardware. Otherwise we're all toast. When was the last major hardware announcement from NeXT? I'll tell you when: last year's NWExpo. And that was just the Turbos (an incremental improvement) and the color printer. More than a year is a LONG time for a supposed hardware company to go without new product announcements. NeXT isn't keeping up with the competition. And prices aren't dropping, even as the hardware grows increasingly outdated. I just bought a Compaq 50M, one of the advertised configurations for running the developer's version of NS486. Total cost at MicroCenter, with 16MB RAM, 340MB IDE hard disk, 17" Sony color monitor, business audio, SMC Ethernet card: $5,858. The list price for a NeXT workstation with the same configuration is $10,295. Ouch! And a Compaq 50M with the top-of-the-line Sony is about as expensive as you can go. By release date, I'm sure the ProLinea series will be supported, so you can shave a few thousand off that price. Let's move on to the much-publicized lack of horizontal applications for NeXTSTEP. Ask anyone who knows anything about the state of most NeXT-only software firms in the current environment, and you'll run screaming from the room. I'd guess that fewer than 10 are making any money. Lately NeXT has made its fortune on mission-critical custom apps, which doesn't induce third parties like us to make horizontal apps for the platform. AFS makes a very comfortable living by writing the custom apps that Wall Street traders need. Why would we go to the trouble of leveraging our expertise on a $100 product ($50-60 wholsesale) that might sell no more than 10,000 copies, even if we advertised the heck out of it? We can make that much from 2 custom trading installations. Which would you choose? Surprise! We've chosen both, but ONLY BECAUSE OF THE IMMINENT RELEASE OF NEXTSTEP 486. We have just about completed two horizontal products that are sorely missing: an accounting system and a group-oriented project management system. (Look for us at NWExpo; it's going to be exciting.) My point is, I think there are other firms like us who would only be willing to consider horizontal app development seriously as a result of the 486 (and hopefully HP) ports. I would not have authorized the resources for developing these apps if the only market had been black hardware; there just aren't enough to justify the expense. Once NS486 is real, I think the volume of new apps is going to surprise some people. Lately SJ has been talking about NeXT being a company that has a killer OS and also happens to make great reference hardware. I don't want reference hardware, I want cheap hardware. I also want that killer OS running on as many platforms as possible, to justify my investment in applications. To my friends on the net, I say: If you want more me-too workstations, by all means encourage NeXT to stay in the hardware business. But if you want more apps, the path is clear. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History, despite its wrenching pain, Commander-in-Chief | Cannot be unlived, but if faced Anderson Financial Systems | With courage, need not be lived again." greg@afs.com (Nextmail OK) | -- Maya Angelou, "On the Pulse of Morning"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: 098802@adpdp2.lanl.gov (098802) Subject: Is there binary conversion of DOS EXEs to NEXT Message-ID: <29JAN199314391064@adpdp2.lanl.gov> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, EMVAX Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 21:39:00 GMT Please excuse my ignorance. I had an unsolicited Next machine arrive on my desk 2 days ago (with orders to be productive with it). Is there software available which will allow the Next to execute DOS binaries? I know that such software is available for the Sun, and for some DEC workstation products, but this is my first journey into the Next world. Thanks in advance for any help.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) Subject: New NeXT Workstation? Message-ID: <9301300400.AA05021@alychne-nc.canon.com> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 04:00:41 GMT VAPORWARE Murphy Sewall From the February 1993 APPLE PULP H.U.G.E. Apple Club (E. Hartford) News Letter $24/year P.O. Box 380027 East Hartford, CT 06138-0027 Call the "Bit Bucket" (203) 257-9588 Permission granted to redistribute with the above citation PowerPC or Pentium? As reported in December's column, NeXT has decided to abandon the Motorola 88110 CPU for its planned RISC workstation (see the April, June, and November columns). The company has yet to decide whether to develop for the PowerPC or the Pentium. On the one hand, NeXTStep 486, already well along in development, already runs on the Pentium (NeXT ran a demonstration at last November's Comdex). On the other hand, IBM may use the Mach kernel, already the basis for NeXTStep, as the microkernel for the PowerPC. - InfoWorld 28 December
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Subject: Re: Microphone II (send/receive e-mail via compuserve?) Message-ID: <1993Jan29.202529.27831@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Jan27.183752.25063@pencom.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 20:25:29 GMT In article <1993Jan27.183752.25063@pencom.com> ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) writes: > >Has anybody used Microphone II or any other software packaged to automatically >download e-mail from compuserve? > >Does it work? One of the guys here does that with MPII Pro and Loran... It works great! >Does it work with NeXTmail? I don't think so... andrew
From: hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ottawa NeXT User Group Meeting on Feb 4th Message-ID: <1993Jan29.200952.13478@bmers95.bnr.ca> Date: 29 Jan 93 20:09:52 GMT Sender: usenet@bmers95.bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Ottawa NeXT User Group Meeting on February 4th. Time: 7:00pm Place: ComputerActive 21 Antares Dr., Unit 112, Ottawa, Ontario, 613-225-4824 Topics: Discussion on Software DeskTop Publishing on NeXT. Demo included "Overall Software Product of the year", Virtuoso and others. User group discussions included possibility of running a psuedo developer camp in Ottawa, seminar on system administration, NeXT support team etc. There will be a draw to win a NeXT T-shirt and a NeXT pin at the meeting. Rumor says there will be coffee and donuts. Regards, Hayward --------------------------------------------------------- Hayward Lam email:hlam@bnr.ca People have a way of becoming what you encourage them to be, not what you nag them to be. by Scudder Parker ---------------------------------------------------------
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Excluding files from a DL index? Date: 29 Jan 1993 22:56:31 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1kccmvINN6s@golden.kaleida.com> Thanks to H. Scott Roy for solving this. Several people asked me to summarize. The solution is to put a file called .index.itype in the location where the index is to be build. Inside the file should be a listing of the file types (read extensions) that should be excluded from the index. Just create the file then rebuild (or build) your index. If you look at the man page for ixbuild, there are lots of other things that can be done when indexing. Thanks H. Scott, you saved me about 5Megs of disk space! Paul .................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail marcos@kaleida.com Kaleida Labs, Inc. welcome! (415) 966-0873 ....................................................................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NeXTmail at home (was: Downloading mail by modem?) In-Reply-To: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu's message of 28 Jan 93 19:37:20 GMT To: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jan28200437@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Jan28.193720.153497@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:04:37 GMT In article <1993Jan28.193720.153497@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes: This reminds me of something that crossed my mind some time ago. As more and more people have computers at home and more and more have modems it would be nice to have a program that would call somebody and send them e-mail. As an address you would have a phone # as opposed to an internet address. The mailed would actomagically know to use the modem to send that person e-mail. It would keep trying until it got through. The one drawback that I see is how to get around the need for a dedicated line. Is it possible to determine if a cal is voice, modem. or fax before the off-hook signal is sent? If so then all the program would have to do is pick up the call if it was a computer, otherwise just let it ring through. Any thoughts on this? Now here is a novel idea. Please allow me to add a few details. First of all, I think that if one had such a mechanism why restrict its use to email ? Why not also allow it to transport that other ever popular service - usenet news ? Also, I think one shouldn't restrict this to NeXTs alone but all unix machines should be able to participate. Of course, now we'd be transfering a lot of files and would have to start to worry about doing this efficiently and without errors, so I suggest we design a series of protocols. Of course we are going to bungle the design of those protocols badly, but we'll make all the modem manufacturers fix our software problems in their hardware. The only question which remains is, how shall we call our baby ? Basically what we are doing is to CoPy files from Unix host to Unix host and acronyms are really popular, so I suggest we call it UUCP ! Has a certain ring to it, don't you think ? Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) Subject: Feedback on Article: "Japanyes" Message-ID: <1993Jan29.211152.14523@bmers95.bnr.ca> Sender: usenet@bmers95.bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 21:11:52 GMT Over 100 people have requested this article since it was first posted. Any comments on this article? Are you buying Japanese products still? Do you care at all? The author is very intereseted in getting feedback from readers in this newsgroup and seeing some intellectual discussion going on as well. If you haven't seen the article, email me your request or ask a friend who might have it. Here's some info: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Author: Louis Leclerc Here is the article on Japan I wrote. Economic parts are mine, socio cultural parts are my friend's. It'll scare you and it should. I love the Japanese people but won't buy anything from their country. This article explains why. Because I am american (and it is intended primarily to that audience), this article is written from the American perspective, which is quite self evident once you start to read it. Ironically, it was my friend who chose the title for my article after reading it. Please read it to the end before drawing any conclusions. It has reached many many corporations. Reception of it has been very favorable. I've recieved over 1000 letters about it since its first 'publication' last november (almost all positive). Below is the article as it has circulated around the world.: The intro is by a guy from motorola, the afterword by a guy from U of Chicago. It takes about 25 minutes to read completely. --------------------------------------------------------- Hayward Lam email:hlam@bnr.ca People have a way of becoming what you encourage them to be, not what you nag them to be. by Scudder Parker ---------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cl50@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Chengi Lin) Subject: Does Sybase SQL Limited Server work with 3.0? Message-ID: <1993Jan30.050841.2629@news.columbia.edu> Keywords: sybase, 3.0, SQL Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 05:08:41 GMT Hi, Does anyone know if Sybase SQL Limit Server Version 4.1 (the one that come with 2.0 upgade)works with 3.0? Please e-mail me as I don't check the group regularly. Many thanks in advance. [] James C. Lin [] SEAS, Columbia University [] Internet: [] cl50@columbia.edu (No NeXTmail) [] UUCP: [] James_Lin@gun.com (NeXTmail, Yeah!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: Excluding files from a DL index? Message-ID: <C1nnqC.DMo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1k94b4INNcis@golden.kaleida.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 07:05:58 GMT Check the man page on "ixbuild". In particular, I think you'll want to use the -N option and related file. -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu (Eskandar Ensafi) Subject: Consistency & UI Improvements Message-ID: <1993Jan29.235300.1275@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 23:53:00 GMT Please see my post in comp.sys.next.advocacy unter the same "Subject" heading
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Natural Language or AI Objects for NeXTStep? Message-ID: <2823@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 30 Jan 93 17:18:06 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Organization: University of Pittsburgh Originator: cjp@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu I'm beginning a project combining an intelligent tutoring system with a expert-system/knowledge rep. schema of a particular domain of knowledge. Does anyone know of available objects that might apply here or previous NeXTStep work in this area? Any pointers would be helpful. Casey Palowitch cjp+@pitt.edu -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXT, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. **
From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <C1oEuo.KvC@cs.mcgill.ca> Date: 30 Jan 93 16:51:59 GMT References: <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Sender: news@cs.mcgill.ca (Netnews Administrator) Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada In article <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu writes: >In article <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee >Furnival) writes: >>Now I must admit that I do not read UNIXWorld regularly, but the few times >>that I have read it I have never seen NeXT mentioned for any reason. What >>the hell? Also, I have yet to hear any UNIX freaks mention NeXT in a >>serious discussion, yet they live to talk about SUN and others... > > NeXT is a toy, whereas Suns, SGIs, etc, are "real" computers: Hardly. Given that NeXT loses the MIPS war by default (never signed up to play (yet ;-)), but it's not a toy. That's really a die-hard UNIX-hacker-stuck-in-1975 attitude. Every tool (ie. computer/os/etc.) serves it's purpose. >1) If I need a little more power than my 68040, I can't buy a 'fast' NeXT, >whereas SUN has about a half a dozen models, some of which are very high >performance. (and I may not even need to buy a complete new system!) True, and this is a problem for NeXT. If NeXTSTEP becomes a highly present OS on multiple machines, then it's no longer a problem... >2) Sun is directly upgradable to 24 bit, faster processors, and offers a >variety of plug in Zorro cards. NeXT, on the other hand, forces a user to buy >a NEW machine to get 24 bit color, only offers a faster 68040 for speed, >and there exist virtually no plug in cards (since only a dimension supports >them anyway!) There *should* be some way of putting add-in boards onto a mainstream NeXT machine. If you do need this, then you can get a PC. It'd be a nice feature under black (non-slated-for-death) hardware, and so perhaps we'll see it soon. >3) People actually WRITE software for the Sun. NeXT is so stuck on their And spend most of their lives trying to make it good. >Objective-C crap, that no one actually writes anything. Just compare the number Every tool has it's purpose. Objective-C is hardly *crap*! I've been part of a software project that created an amazing dynamic distributed system for real-time data input, databasing and distribution. The IXKit, Distributed Objects, and the nature of Objective-C reduced our development time from 1.5 years (at least) to 5 months. NeXT's problem is *not* that it's crap, it's just that it has access to a small number of desktops, so only the little guy can really afford to get involved. This will change in time, and NeXT will gain support of more developers. It's just the newest-kid-on-the-block syndrome. As well, NeXT has the problem that it's stuff is so much more ridiculously better than everything else, it's competitiors have to give NeXT the brush-off until they get their own software up to par. You sound like Scott McNealy! Are you sure this isn't an alias :-) ? >of X applications written on a Sun versus the number of NeXTstep apps written >on a NeXT. Even the NeXT users who claim to know how to program in Objective-C >DON'T WRITE ANYTHING. (Just take a look at the number of free 3.0 applications Count the number of Sun employees to NeXT: 15,000 to 450. Count the number of Sun desktops to NeXT... etc. The same argument goes for Microsoft to Sun... that's just "Who's the biggest fish?" You're demonstrating some serious exaggerations as well. Why do you hate NeXTSTEP? Why do you read this group and continue to spout off unfounded nonsense? >on sonata (even in incoming). Consider the number of games that exist, and >consider NO speech program exists for the NeXT except commercially. I remember, There is a speech program at McGill that makes use of NeXT. The engine runs on HPs, but only for the sheer speed. The entire interface is done on a NeXT. Why? Because it looks nicer, it's easier to develop and to change. All because of that Objective-C *crap* !!! >when I owned my Amiga, speech came WITH the computer, and it even had inferior >hardware, and games were abundant because EVERYONE could program an Amiga--with >just a little C knowledge. I'll take a ton of applications in a non object- >oriented language any day over NeXT, who forced Obj-C down our throats, >everyone claims to like it, then never actually produce anything.) (I only Whever you push the envelope, you run the risk of pissing off the current generations "experts." They don't like it because all of their hard earned knowledge may be rendered useless, and they are stuck back at the beginner's level. Guru's never like to be beginners again. It hurts the ego. I can imagine the Longbowmen with the advent of the firearm. "Those stupid guns, they load so slowly, and you just don't have the range. They're *crap*". Similar arguments with the Japanese cars coming across in the seventies: crap, slow, who-needs-them-when-you-have-good-old- american-cars. Then everyone realizes it's better, and the current industry GODS become the current industry victims and spend the rest of their time catching up. Case in point: Chrysler Motor Co. They just set a sales record, if you care to notice. They're not saying the Japanese way of building cars is *crap* anymore. It just takes a while for the market to really take notice of the new way of doing things. A hundred years for the Longbowmen, 12 years for the automobile industry, 5 years for the Mac. Who knows for NeXT??? It's the job of the marketing people... >use games as an example because, in general, people are much more motivated >to write games than anything else, and since NeXT is proud of their college-kid >market, it would seem THEY would be the ones to be producing tons of games.) >4) The ONLY benefit NeXT offers over Sun is the user interface. And if you >consider that, how often to you hear Mac being referred to as a 'real' >computer by anyone other than a computer illiterate? The user interface is what people ***USE***. It's the most important thing in the end. I'd rather have Windows than X. I'd rather have a Mac than Windows. I'd rather have a NeXT than a Mac. Why? Just because of the stupid interface issue... Anyway, give it time. Even if NeXT is not successful, which is up to Steve J and the boyz (and us, the small developers!), the NeXT way will be the way the industry goes. If NeXT fails, it won't be because it's *crap*. It will be because the marketing people failed to gain acceptance, and to show people that it is really better. - db (BTW, $995 PC OS software does not show them that it's really better, just too expensive!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: SCSI cable needed - help! Message-ID: <1993Jan29.200547.16224@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, inc. References: <1993Jan29.005153.13901@coe.montana.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 20:05:47 GMT In article <1993Jan29.005153.13901@coe.montana.edu> pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu (Craig Pratt) writes: > I picked up a 40MB drive, power supply and case from a friend to use as > a swap drive. But, I need a cable. The case is wired with a 25-pin > female port (db25, I guess). It was used on an Amiga but is supposedly > identical to a Mac external SCSI drive. I have a NS Turbo Color. > > Where's the best place to get one of these beasts? It seems that you need a SCSI I to SCSI II cable. I get them from Tecor. They can be reached at 1-800-252-DISK. The cable costs about $50. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: UUCP setup Message-ID: <1993Jan30.050319.17380@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <C1Mx58.I9o@world.std.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 05:03:19 GMT In article <C1Mx58.I9o@world.std.com> jmeacham@world.std.com (James Meacham) writes: > Anyone know how to connect a NeXT via UUCP on a 2400 modem? I've got a > UUCP feed starting in a couple of days, but I don't know the first thing > about getting connected. Are there any sources that I can go to for this > kind of info? Get Managing UUCP and Usenet by Tim O'Reilly and Grace Todino in the Nutshell series. ISBN 0-937175-93-5. $27.95 M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <C1nrvK.26q@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: 30 Jan 93 08:35:42 GMT References: <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee Furnival) writes: Probably just because NeXT doesn't have market share. Sun, SGI, HP, IBM sell more workstations than Next does. Its kind of the Beta VHS thing, better technology doesn't guarantee success or more attention. Quabid >I just picked up the Feb. issue of UnixWorld because they have some big >thing on the Microsoft's Windows NT and how it will affect those in the >UNIX community. All of the sub-articles to this cover story basically >revolved around the concept of operating systems and which ones are better >and/or easier nad on and on and on.... >Nowhere, and I mean nowhere, did I see NeXT or NeXTStep mentioned. They >talked about Solaris and how it will be or is (I can't remember) ported >to x86 and how great all of these OSs are and basically a bunch of crap. >So here they are talking about the next generation of operating systems >and how NT will dominate and UNIX better get their act together and how >cool Solaris is but never once did anyone say anything about NeXTStep! >Now I must admit that I do not read UNIXWorld regularly, but the few times >that I have read it I have never seen NeXT mentioned for any reason. What >the hell? Also, I have yet to hear any UNIX freaks mention NeXT in a >serious discussion, yet they live to talk about SUN and others... >So, my question is why is NeXT ignored in particular by UNIXWolrd and many >in the generic NeXT community?? Is it an economic thing, like NeXT doesn't >buy ad space in these magazines? What gives? >Lee Furnival >eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scott@corybant.rmnug.org (Scott Meyer) Subject: Re: NeXTmail at home (was: Downloading mail by modem?) Message-ID: <1993Jan30.033121.2641@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: scott@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <1993Jan28.193720.153497@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 03:31:21 GMT In article <1993Jan28.193720.153497@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes: > > Since I don't have my NeXT connected to a network (mine is a solitary > and > > lonely machine) I have a dial-up internet accout. Is there any way to > > download mail files and read them in 3.0's Mail.app? > This reminds me of something that crossed my mind some time ago. As more > and more people have computers at home and more and more have modems it > would be nice to have a program that would call somebody and send them > e-mail. As an address you would have a phone # as opposed to an internet > address. The mailed would actomagically know to use the modem to send > that person e-mail. It would keep trying until it got through. The one > drawback that I see is how to get around the need for a dedicated line. > Is it possible to determine if a cal is voice, modem. or fax before the > off-hook signal is sent? If so then all the program would have to do is > pick up the call if it was a computer, otherwise just let it ring through. > Any thoughts on this? Check out the section on UUCP in the NeXT system admin manual. -Scott -- Scott Meyer scott@corybant.rmNUG.ORG - NeXT mail is welcome.
From: mike@buran (Michael Wesemann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SciPlot 3.0 Date: 30 Jan 1993 13:04:09 GMT Organization: Fritz-Haber-Institut Berlin Message-ID: <1kduc9INNamj@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Hello! SciPlot 3.0 is available now! You can find it on sonata (128.210.15.30, /pub/next/submissions/SciPlot3.0.tar.Z) or order it via NeXTMail (ca. 515 kB) from mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de SciPlot is a scientific 2D plotting and manipulation program. Various functions are available in SciPlot: - ASCII import and export - EPS export - free number of data points, data buffer, and document window - selective open and save - plotting in many styles - automatic legend - subviews - linear and logarithmic axes - two different axes - text and graphic - color support - zoom - normalizing and moving - axis conversions - free hand data manipulations (cut, edit, move, etc.) - data editor - sorting of data - absolute,relative, and free defined error bars - calculating with buffers (+, -, *, / ) - background subtractions (linear,shirley,tougaard, bezier) - integration and relative integration - fitting of one or more free defined functions - linear regression - calculations (+, -, *, /, sin, cos, log, etc.) - function generator - spline interpolation - least square smooth and FFT smooth - differentiation - FFT - ESCA calculations and database and something more. Mike mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gary@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Gary Ritchie) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <1993Jan29.172209.18743@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 17:22:09 GMT In article <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman) writes: <<lots deleted>> > I'll take a ton of applications in a non object-oriented language any day over NeXT, who forced Obj-C down our throats, everyone claims to like it, then never actually produce anything.) (I only use games as an example because, in general, people are much more motivated to write games than anything else, and since NeXT is proud of their college-kid market, it would seem THEY would be the ones to be producing tons of games.) Before anyone wastes more network bandwidth responding to this putz, allow me to remind you of his past history in the net-news: Alfred E Neuman, oops, I mean Michael C. Neuman, was responsible for the largest volume of ka-ka in the infamous "Why WHY WHY use Objective-C" thread a couple of months back. After flailing himself to death over and over and over and making an ass of himself (and establishing that he doesn't know either C++ or Objective-C or OOP), he made the following fascinating points: - the NeXT uses Objective-C; Mr. Neuman doesn't understand Objective-C, isn't willing to (or CAN'T) learn Objective-C, therefore the NeXT is crap - the NeXT doesn't use X-Windows; Mr. Neuman claims to be able to program in X-Windows (yah right), isn't willing to learn anything else, therefore the NeXT is crap. - Mr. Neuman wished that NeXT had used C++ instead of Objective-C (yes, there are valid arguments in that direction), then went on to point out that he doesn't understand object-oriented programming or C++ and said that he wished NeXT would produce a STRAIGHT-C version of the appkit. Let's see, I'll allocate a DPS context, get a handle, then allocate an appkit window, get a handle, then allocate some views, with handles, then pass the handles... Yah, that would be much nicer than using yucky old OOP. - Mr. Neuman's primary goal in life appears to be getting netrek ported to NeXTSTEP, despite all his whining about how horrible NeXTSTEP is, how impossible it is to program in Objective-C, and how much he hates the NeXT. He went on to complain that it was impossible to program at a low level on the NeXT a-la X-Windows; I wrote and e-mailed him source code doing exactly what he wanted, and never heard anything back from him. Why WHY WHY Mr. Neuman do you continue to bother us with your feeble whining and pathetic public displays of your ignorance? Why do you still read these groups if you dislike the NeXT so? Why aren't you off in a computer lab playing netrek? Excuse me, I have to try and do some programming in Objective-C. Boy, I hope I don't hurt myself; I hear that it's REALLY REALLY hard. I wish I could program in assembly language on the Amiga -- life would be so much nicer. By the way, please post any followups to advocacy (which I don't read). --- Gary Ritchie
From: gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Multiple windows from a Mac to NeXT Message-ID: <1kee44$fe9@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 93 17:32:52 GMT Organization: Michigan State University I just got MacLayers1.2 from archive.umich.edu /mac/util/comm/maclayers1.20.cpt.hqx 114 1/28/93 BinHex4.0,Compact1.33 UNIX-Mac program to allow multiple shell windows over serial links. Works with csh only (for now) and includes its own simple terminal program. You need to get the shell archive (.shar) file from our util/unix directory and compile it on your UNIX system, then fire up this Mac program. Sounds pretty neat, eh? Unfortunatly I couldn't get it to work on the NeXT. It doesn't list NeXT as one of the tested machines. I get an error when I compile it and it's beyond me (I used to use Unix but I'm just getting back into it), so if anyone has tried it and gotten it to work or knows of a similar program, PLEASE let me know. Or if you know for some reason that it won't work. I do a lot of work from home and having multiple windows open would be very useful. Who knows, maybe this doesn't do what I want. I think it will let me open up different windows to my NeXT at work, so I can be compiling in one window, editing in another and doing netnews in another. -- Gary J LaPointe gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu Michigan State University Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities
Organization: Sponsored account, Engineering And Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Message-ID: <YfOfSwi00WBL02AFcp@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 12:15:40 -0500 From: Yael Shavit <ys11+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: M.M and R.W at NeXT Hi, I'm looking for the e-mail address and/or phone number of the following people at NeXT: Morrise Meyer, Richard Williamson. I would like to have the address or phone number of anyone else at NeXT (or elsewhere) that is involved in developing (or using) the phonekit and the Phone Connector application, using Hayes ISDN extender. Thanks a lot, Yael Shavit Information Networking Institute Carnegie Mellon University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <1993Jan30.185045.2500@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <C1nrvK.26q@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 18:50:45 GMT In article <C1nrvK.26q@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) writes: >>eapu168@orion.oac.uci.edu (Lee Furnival) writes: >> >>Probably just because NeXT doesn't have market share. Sun, SGI, >>HP, IBM sell more workstations than Next does. >> Get the facts straight. NeXT edged out IBM in unit workstation sales last year. They were also profitable (barely) as opposed to record setting losses at IBM. -- Ronald Pomeroy "The Internet is just a virtual giant petri dish" Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Chill out people! Message-ID: <1993Jan30.185845.2755@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 18:58:45 GMT Does anyone really believe NeXT would go and integrate something like RenderMan into the Appkit and NOT plan to build hardware to leverage it ???? I mean really! The hardware guys are still on the payroll. I'm sure they ain't gettin' paid to sit around with their thumbs up their... They say patience is a virtue. So...lets all take a deep breath and wait and see what's announced at NWE. -- Ronald Pomeroy CAM Applications Group Advanced Micro Devices Austin, Texas rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <0fOY5AK00WB4079J5W@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 03:50:20 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: Cannot find certain ANSI C header files In-Reply-To: <1kcabd$jt4@agate.berkeley.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 29-Jan-93 Cannot find certain ANSI C .. by Brian Behlendorf @soda.berkeley.edu > I'm trying to compile a few programs on the NeXT (on Nextstep 3) > that were previously working perfectly on both a DecStation and an IBM > RISC 6000 under AIX. When I ask it to compile it says it cannot find > "values.h" and "unistd.h", both of which are includes which I believe > are ANSI C. I searched though the developer packages for those files > but could not find them. Could anyone tell me where they are if they > are on the standard release CD-ROM, and if it's not where I could get > them. Those are not standard ANSI C includes. ANSI C consists solely of: #import <assert.h> #import <ctype.h> #import <errno.h> #import <float.h> #import <limits.h> #import <locale.h> #import <math.h> #import <setjmp.h> #import <signal.h> #import <stdarg.h> #import <stddef.h> #import <stdio.h> #import <stdlib.h> #import <string.h> #import <time.h> ...all of which can be included via "#include <ansi/ansi.h>". If memory serves, values.h and unistd.h are both used under the SysV flavor of Unix. Try recompiling, setting up your Makefiles and configuration parameters to the BSD style. (If you're lucky, this will solve your problems. If not, you'll have to rewrite some code to use the equivalent BSD functions.... Take a look at what's in those headers on a machine that has them, then try to include the comparable BSD includes.) Good luck, -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <QfOYINi00WB4079MF5@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 04:06:33 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: Is there binary conversion of DOS EXEs to NEXT In-Reply-To: <29JAN199314391064@adpdp2.lanl.gov> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 29-Jan-93 Is there binary conversion .. by 098802@adpdp2.lanl.gov > I had an unsolicited Next machine arrive on my desk 2 days ago (with orders > to be productive with it). Is there software available which will allow the > Next to execute DOS binaries? I know that such software is available for > the Sun, and for some DEC workstation products, but this is my first > journey into the Next world. Well, welcome aboard... The product you are looking for is called SoftPC form Insignia Solutions, and it provides a 286 (w/ 287) emulation, including mouse support, CGA/EGA, and EMS 4.0 expanded memory (up to 32 MB worth). It's item #1456, SoftPC 2.05 for $329 at NeXTConnection, whom you can reach at 1-800-800-NeXT. Note that all of the standard applications (spreadsheets, word processors, page layout, math tools, etc) are available specifically for the NeXT, and will certainly run much faster than what you will get trying to run a comparible PC program under SoftPC. If you don't mind the question, exactly what are you trying to do? -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIDI Interface? Date: 30 Jan 1993 14:35:05 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1kevqpINNmdd@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993Jan20.173641.4431@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1993Jan22.030253.402@metrosoft.com> <1kcffvINNafi@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Interesting thought about the driver but why not just configure the MTPII from the Mac. The configuration made should stay provided you have a mac. But then again you could always buy the newer MOTU product that can be configured from the module with or without any computer. Buy the way, I have the original MTP and am having no luck. I built one cable--which was a bummer with the itsy bitsy soldering and all--and am not very excited about doing it again. Is there anyone about that has their MTP working with a NeXTstation 040 25mhz mono? maurices
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ISDN for NeXT Date: 30 Jan 1993 14:50:41 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1kf0o1INNmm8@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <4fO22ua00WBMA3aJdN@andrew.cmu.edu> <1kboioINNmol@cs.widener.edu> <2810@blue.cis.pitt.edu> The way I understand it ISDN is not available nation wide yet and to get it even if you can get it costs at least $700 from the get go plus a monthly fee and maybe a per minute charge depending on how you gain access. However, prices for hookup should go down significantly--they may have allready since my info is two months old--and we should be hooked up nation wide by 1995. Right now if I received it my signal would be going out ISDN converted to Switch56, sent to where ever and then converted back to ISDN at its destination. I'm still a bit unclear about this switch56 protocal. Could someone else elaborate? maurices
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SCSI cable needed - help! Date: 30 Jan 1993 15:09:39 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1kf1rjINNmv6@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993Jan29.005153.13901@coe.montana.edu> <1993Jan29.202458.14232@almserv.uucp> I bought mine from NeXT. HP also has one that retails for Aprox. $65 (?). SCSI-II used to be extremely hard to find cables for but things are changing. AMP manufactures the connecter. Hope this helps. At one time I wondered what the physical difference was and found that the only difference that I could see was that every other pin in the SCSI-II cable was a ground (probably to acurately sustain data integrity). Anyway now that SCSI-II allows our SCSI bus to run faster the NeXT--whoops-- I mean the next question is does NS 3.0 implament SCSI-II? I know I could look this up but since I don't have a book handy, does anyone know off hand? maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "jvillaci" <jvillaci@cs.indiana.edu> Subject: color customizing Message-ID: <1993Jan30.235336.5187@news.cs.indiana.edu> Sender: root@news.cs.indiana.edu (Operator) Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 18:53:27 -0500 Hello! I would like to know if anyone out there know of a utility/program/ way to customize the colors on such apps as Terminal and Edit that come with Nextstep3.0 . Thanks in advance! juan
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need better fan for NeXTcube Date: 31 Jan 1993 01:58:36 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1kfbocINNkgl@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: NeXTcube fan My NeXTcube runs warm, with an optical drive plus a 660MB Maxtor. I didn't realize how warm till I ran it a little while with the back off while testing some things and it wouldn't boot (got a panic). When it cooled down it worked fine again, but if it's that close to the hairy edge I'd sleep better replacing the fan with an ultraquiet boxer fan with a higher airflow rate. Anybody already found a good one? If so, please post the make and model (and e-mail me too). Thanks! -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) Subject: dwrites Message-ID: <1993Jan30.182113.28758@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Distribution: na Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 18:21:13 GMT Someone mentioned the "Move Login Window When Idle" dwrite on the net some time ago. I used it. Great. Where can I obtain a listing of the available dwrites? Or at least an abbreviated list of those with general application... Perhaps this could be a FAQ - I would like to see an app (or is there one already?) like "dwriteManager.app" which both shows many of the dwrite options and keeps track of their status. I'm sure that such an app would not be useful to NeXT developers/programers... but for people like me, who do not want to spend the time either learning or looking up dwrites... Anyhow, the reason I thought of this is that I'd like to make some apps hide themselves on autolaunch. What is the dwrite? Thanks, - eric fortune fo6r@midway.uchicago.edu NeXTmail accepted but not preferred
From: billy@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Billy Barr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Basic Questions about the Next. Summary: I am considering the purchase of one. Message-ID: <1993Jan30.231727.29517@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Date: 30 Jan 93 23:17:27 GMT References: <1kccmvINN6s@golden.kaleida.com> Sender: news@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu Organization: University of Arizona I am a Computer Engineering student at the University of Arizona. I am almost done with my third year. I am now looking for a computer that would suit my needs for now and in the future. The Next seems to be the best computer for my purposes. I would like info on the following(Please forgive me if these questions seem stupid): Would I be able to hook up a Panasonic KX-P1124 printer for making proof prints? (I could create postscript files and print them at school on the unix system I work on) Where would I find a program that draws digital cicuits? (I am using Orcad, a primitive program I must say) My current lab involves the use of Motorola 68000s. What kind of connections does the Next have. Would I be able to call the local IDX server from home with a modem using the software that comes with the machine, or would I have to get additional software? Thank you for all of your help! ---billy@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <C1pJsA.Cxq@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <2B66F49C.8437@news.service.uci.edu> <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 07:36:09 GMT In <1k8sraINNqf2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mcn@cwru.edu (Michael C. Neuman) writes: > NeXT is a toy, whereas Suns, SGIs, etc, are "real" computers: >1) If I need a little more power than my 68040, I can't buy a 'fast' NeXT, >whereas SUN has about a half a dozen models, some of which are very high >performance. (and I may not even need to buy a complete new system!) You are a funny guy, Mike. Just like a few people on campus here, they tend to associate this speed thing with the speed of the processor. I am a grad student in mechanical engineering and I have no reason to demand a faster processor if it means sacrificing my development environment. The Sun platform is just not something I am willing to commit to even if it is a little quicker in MIPS. BTW, have you tried to write something on a Sun sparc using Open Windows? >2) Sun is directly upgradable to 24 bit, faster processors, and offers a >variety of plug in Zorro cards. NeXT, on the other hand, forces a user to buy >a NEW machine to get 24 bit color, only offers a faster 68040 for speed, >and there exist virtually no plug in cards (since only a dimension supports >them anyway!) Yes, that is too bad but I am anxious to see the latest offerings in May. >3) People actually WRITE software for the Sun. NeXT is so stuck on their >Objective-C crap, that no one actually writes anything. Just compare the number >of X applications written on a Sun versus the number of NeXTstep apps written >on a NeXT. Even the NeXT users who claim to know how to program in Objective-C >DON'T WRITE ANYTHING. (Just take a look at the number of free 3.0 applications >on sonata (even in incoming). Consider the number of games that exist, and >consider NO speech program exists for the NeXT except commercially. I remember, >when I owned my Amiga, speech came WITH the computer, and it even had inferior >hardware, and games were abundant because EVERYONE could program an Amiga--with >just a little C knowledge. I'll take a ton of applications in a non object- >oriented language any day over NeXT, who forced Obj-C down our throats, >everyone claims to like it, then never actually produce anything.) (I only >use games as an example because, in general, people are much more motivated >to write games than anything else, and since NeXT is proud of their college-kid >market, it would seem THEY would be the ones to be producing tons of games.) What you see in terms of quantity of software for the Sun is a reflection of the number of systems that exist. But what does this matter? I own an Apple ][+ that had a large number of programs avaiable. What good is that now? If things go well for NeXT, they could be the next big one. >4) The ONLY benefit NeXT offers over Sun is the user interface. And if you >consider that, how often to you hear Mac being referred to as a 'real' >computer by anyone other than a computer illiterate? Of course this is not the only benefit, but hey, I'm not a salesman. Go buy a Sun if you want. Just don't make me use it! -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca Unix Support Group (NeXT Mail Welcome) University of Manitoba Computer Services "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: M.M and R.W at NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan30.203202.19052@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <YfOfSwi00WBL02AFcp@andrew.cmu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 20:32:02 GMT In article <YfOfSwi00WBL02AFcp@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > Hi, > > I'm looking for the e-mail address and/or phone number of the following > people at NeXT: > Morrise Meyer, > Richard Williamson. Morris Meyer is no longer at NeXT. You should be able to send email to Rich at Rich_Williamson@NeXT.com. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: fell@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: latex macros for feynman diagrams Message-ID: <1993Jan31.134202.22891@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Date: 31 Jan 93 13:42:02 GMT Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University I am having trouble unpacking the latex macro packages written by Michael Levine. Using the sh command as instructed does not do the trick. I have posted this question on the tex newsgroup without any response yet. Does anyone in the Next world have an idea about installing these? I am using a Next turbo with 3.0 Thanks.
From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Floptical driver Date: 31 Jan 1993 14:29:12 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1kgnnoINN3bj@cs.tut.fi> This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen Does anyone have a driver for Insite's floptical drive? I desperately need one. I need to read and write PC 720 and 1440 KB floppies and 20 MB floppies with unix file format (I don't need floptical compatibility). Is there a easy way to write an own driver to accomplish this task? (Or is there one available already?) -Juha -- Pasi Ojala Why does my signature keep changing?? po87553@cs.tut.fi Am I doing something wrong?
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Question about the capabilities of Supra vs. Zyxel... Date: 31 Jan 1993 17:01:53 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1kh0m1INN5nj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ok. They both do faxes, uucp, modem, and voice capabilities. My question is this. Is the voice capabilties on the Zyxel better or the Supra or do they both work the same? I think I like the Zyxel better. I've had a Supra modem for a couple years and it is nice but nothing awesome or earth shattering. oh well, thanks for emailing replies because I think already enough has been said about these two in the news group.... CW ###1
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Does anybody have Purdue's address.... Date: 31 Jan 1993 17:04:46 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1kh0reINN5rp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I'm going to send in money but send $5 worth. Send 1 means you waste alot of the total amount on postage compared to its real use beefing up sonata... CW #### 1
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: UUCP vs. SLIP connection... Date: 31 Jan 1993 17:44:12 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1kh35cINN850@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I'm getting a mail news and eventually telnet,ftp connection to the internet. What's the advantages to SLIP or UUCP? What software do I need? I'm clueless about this stuff so I need a beginner explanation. Please email it...thanks... CW
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.next.misc From: woo@ra-next.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Woo x6010 227-6 rm 315) Subject: CAP + 126 patches for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Feb11.181653.16668@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 18:16:53 GMT Where is the best place from which to ftp CAP6.0+126++ patches for a NeXT running OS 3.0? A compiled version would be best. Thanks. -- ============================================================== Alex Woo, MS 227-6 woo@ames.arc.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center NASAMAIL ACWOO Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 SPANET 24582::WOO (415) 604-6010 (FAX) 604-4357 {hplabs,decwrl,uunet}!ames!woo ==============================================================
From: anthonjw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason W. Anthony) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How long will NeXTSTEP run on '040 NeXT's? Message-ID: <anthonjw.729454457@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> Date: 11 Feb 93 18:14:17 GMT Sender: news@news.clarkson.edu Organization: Clarkson University Assuming NeXT is dropping the NeXTstation and cubes, (and may or may not have an Intel-based machine), I'm wondering how long NeXTSTEP will continue to work with our existing NeXT machines. Since the Intel NeXTSTEP will now be the primary version, will they still release NeXTSTEPs that work on my NeXTstation? And if so, for how long? (I guess that depends on exactly what the deal with Cannon is re hardware.) Any speculation is welcomed (since I guess that's all we have at this point! :-) --- Jason W. Anthony anthonjw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (NeXTmail very welcome)
From: bkph@kauai.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) Newsgroups: comp.text.frame,comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: help with defeating control characters Date: 11 Feb 1993 18:05:25 GMT Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Message-ID: <1le4h5INNou@life.ai.mit.edu> References: <1993Feb10.223714.18232@newshost.lanl.gov> In-reply-to: rlp@lanl.gov's message of 10 Feb 93 22:37:14 GMT In article <1993Feb10.223714.18232@newshost.lanl.gov> rlp@lanl.gov (Dick Phillips) writes: I am running Frame 3.0.1 on a NeXT. I have a need to insert characters in a document from a font that started life as a TeX font. Some of you may know that TeX often uses the first 32 positions of a font for real characters, not control characters. If I try to insert such a character in a Frame document and then try to convince it that it's really a character from this strange font, it steadfastly refuses to accept the change. It's still a tab, or whatever. Anyone know of a way to fake Frame out on this one? Thanks for any help, If this is a `TeX' font in Adobe Type 1 format (like CM, AMS, LB + LNM etc), then the 0 - 31 range is replicated higher up in the 165 - 195 range for just the reason you mentioned, namely that just about nothing other than TeX wants you to use control characters. So you can get at all of those characters up there. Berthold K.P. Horn Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: Cube as upgrade path?? (was Re: IT IS OFFICIAL! NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE Message-ID: <1993Feb11.184758.11033@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University References: <C28xBw.DLI@newsflash.concordia.ca> <1993Feb11.105158.27967@alf.uib.no> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 18:47:58 GMT In article <1993Feb11.105158.27967@alf.uib.no> edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes: > >Would it be unreasonable to suppose that (some third party) could >build processor boards for easy installation in cubes (via NeXTbus)? This is what I am hoping. I am saddened by the fact they dropped the hardware for many reasons, but I can't afford a new one anyways. I hate to say this, because I know what it is like (one word: macintosh), but I know what it is like to get "dropped", but hopefully the prices on used systems will come down so I can finally buy one of these wonderful machines. I've waited long enough to get a new computer, and when I finally decide I want a NeXT as my life-partner, they quit making them. Oh well... Anyways, when considering which to buy (used slab/cube), I figured they would either make two boards (since they are only *slightly* different from what I hear), or support just the cube. It is the one that looks upgradeable. Someone sent me mail telling me to forget the cubes, get a slab, and max out the memory because the cubes (both the 030 and 040) most likely wont get passed NS 3.0/3.1. Any word on this? Why get a slab, when the cube appears more "open"? >A cube owner wonders whats NeXT... A cube owner wannabe wonders whats NeXT... Thanks, JT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: Re: Tough choices: Any suggestions?? Message-ID: <1993Feb11.185620.11364@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University References: <1993Feb11.141729.22715@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 18:56:20 GMT In article <1993Feb11.141729.22715@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> keith@iscp.bellcore.com (Keith Hawkins) writes: > >Anyone care to discuss the pros and cons of switching >to a 486-platform? Yeah, sleeping with the enemy? ;) I have YET to see any machine, except for a Cray, that matches the beauty of a cube (that industrial design background in me coming out). This is by no means a con, but there is NOTHING that comes close to NeXTstep in terms of a GUI on the PC. You get compatibility "with a WHOLE LIBRARY OF SOFTWARE" with intel... it is just too bad it is unpleasant to use it. JT
From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT hardware orphaned - how much should it cost? Message-ID: <1993Feb11.184432.24750@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: 11 Feb 93 18:44:32 GMT References: <1993Feb11.030422.3093@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago In article <1993Feb11.030422.3093@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes: >I've looked at NeXTs for a long time but they were always too expensive >for me. Now that NeXT hardware has been orphaned, prices on new and >used NeXT hardware should drop tremendously. Does anyone have an idea >of what's a good price to pay for NeXT hardware now? Well, I decided two days ago to dump my ColorStation, and just posted the for sale announcement a few hours ago. I also just read the New York Times article telling me I won't be able to get squat for it .... <Sigh>. Anyway, I asked people in comp.sys.next.marketplace to tell me what my sytem is worth, so I'll post what responses I get here. In the meantime if anyone is interested in a loaded colorstation non- turbo (I won't post full specs in the interest of bandwidth) check out my post in c.s.n.marketplace. Drop me a line and tell me what you think. (Convince me not to abandon my sexy black slab, please!) Steve -- Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School steve@faerie.chi.il.us -=NeXTmail always nice=- "All I did was kiss a girl." - Jake, the night before his hanging.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Connecting the NeXT CD-ROM to a SUN (?) Message-ID: <1993Feb11.194311.23533@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 19:43:11 GMT Is it possible (and workable) to connect the NeXT CD-ROM drive to a SUN sparc station (SCSI connection)? If so, what problems should I expect? What drivers or adjustments do I need to read a CD-ROM in the Rockridge format? Thanks in advance for the help (and this has nothing to do with the recent news from NeXT, really, I promise, ...really) Thanks, Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Where can I find a ppd file for an HP Laserjet 4M? Date: 11 Feb 1993 19:51:58 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1leaouINN5qr@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: ppd files, HP Laserjet 4M, pot-bellied pigs The subject line says it all. We just got one hooked to our network, and I want to exploit the 600 dpi. -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
From: strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I guess it's official Date: 11 Feb 93 19:53:53 GMT Organization: University of Washington Distribution: na Message-ID: <strobel.729460433@dirac> Summary: no more hardware production Keywords: hardware I guess it's official now that NeXT will no longer be making any sleek black computers. It's all software from here on. Speculation on NeXT coming out with a 486 box this summer probably are just that and nothing more. Here's the info from LA times: HEADLINE: Next to Stop Producing Computers Technology: Apple founder Steve Jobs says his company will focus on Publication Date: Wednesday February 10, 1993 BYLINE: JONATHAN WEBER Steve Jobs' dogged effort to create another first-rank computer company suffered a jolting setback Tuesday when the legendary Apple Computer co-founder announced that his Next Inc. will stop building computers to focus on its highly regarded software. Next, based in Redwood City, Calif., said it will lay off 280 of its 530 employees and will put its state-of-the-art factory in Fremont up for sale. Next said it will sell its 50-person hardware design operation to Canon Inc., which owns 18% ownership of Jobs' firm. Jobs had initially aimed to make Next's sleek black computers a high-performance alternative to PCs from Apple and others, especially for university students and professors. The machines had their admirers but proved too expensive for the education market. And business customers preferred inexpensive but powerful workstations from Sun Microsystems and others. "The world doesn't want really great hardware--it wants really cheap hardware," Jobs said in a phone interview. "I can't really argue with that. I think we made really great hardware. . . . But we never found the right recipe." Next will now focus exclusively on software, which the company is rewriting to work on widely available computers that use Intel Corp.'s 486 computer chip. The software, called Nextstep, controls the basic operations of a computer and makes it easy to create customized "applications," programs that perform specific tasks. Nextstep now works only on Next's computers. Jobs acknowledged that quitting the hardware business is a personal disappointment, but in typically ebullient fashion he touted the potential of Next's software. "We have something here, but it's been locked up in the black box," he said. "If we let it out, it will be out there in much greater numbers." Jobs said Nextstep is the only operating system software on the market based on "object-oriented" technology, which allows programmers to easily create chunks of software that can be reused in different programs. A computer programmer at a financial services company, for example, can rapidly create new software to implement the latest trading strategies or financial analysis theories. Microsoft, with its Cairo project, and Apple and IBM, through their Taligent joint venture, are racing to develop their own object-oriented operating systems. But neither is expected to hit the market until late 1994 or 1995. Analysts agree that Next has an opportunity to become a significant player in the operating systems arena--if it can quickly complete the job of rewriting Nextstep to run on Intel's 486 and its successor, the Intel Pentium. Next is already a year behind on the 486 project, which Jobs now says will be completed in May. "They do have a better operating system alternative than any that exists today," said Bruce Lupatkin, an analyst at Hambrecht & Quist. But he said it was essential that Nextstep for the Intel chips be completed on time, and that Next elicit support from the personal computer companies that actually build machines based on the 486 and the upcoming Pentium. Next has changed course several times since its founding in 1985. Jobs, who was ousted from Apple after a bitter power struggle with current Apple Chairman John Sculley, initially targeted the higher education market. In 1990, Jobs repositioned Next as a vendor of easy-to-use workstations, competing head-to-head with Sun Microsystems and others. Jobs owns 46% of privately held Next, and H. Ross Perot owns 11%. The company reported revenue of $140 million for 1992. This article is copyright 1992 The Los Angeles Times Home Edition. Redistribution to other sites is not permitted except by arrangement with American Cybercasting Corporation. For more information, send-email to usa@AmeriCast.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com (alexander dahl) Subject: NeXTStation for sale; (8/210) starting $2900 Message-ID: <1993Feb11.192447.5632@mksol.dseg.ti.com> Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 19:24:47 GMT NeXTStation for sale: 8/105 internal 105 external bunch of software: Diagram Mathematica Improv Executor (it works great) Concurrence The good Net stuff X11 from net Machine is in great shape. I bought it as a student and have not used it all that much as a power machine. I have done some OO programming, so I have the development stuff as well. Please make any offer that you deem reasonable for the configuration that you desire. Any combination of hardware (modem, printer cables, etc) software (a bunch of stuff) will be considered. -- Alex Dahl dahla@lobby.ti.com or dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com Remember: My expressions are unknown to my employer nor do they care.
From: Alex Raftis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GraphicsWorkshop Update Message-ID: <1993Feb11.203649.120073@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 11 Feb 93 20:36:49 GMT Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo I've just posted a small update to GraphicsWorkshop, however, it's not to the main executable. I added the ability to support image filters under NS3.0, similar to ImageAgent. To get the new features, you'll need to download: /pub/next/submissions/GWAgent.tar from sonata.cc.purdue.edu. Make sure to read the README that goes along with the tar file. It tells you where to install the program for correct use. I also made a small patch to the jpg and jpeg converters. You may or may not wish to get the new version. It fixes a problem where pixels were not being scaled to the range 0-255 properly. This resulting in images that were too dark when reloaded. The patch is in GraphicsWorkshop.tar, also on sonata. Finally, if you'd like the source code to all the above, you can also download GWSource.tar. Once installed, the source for GWAgent will be in ./GraphicsWorkshop/GWAgent. Alex -- ______________________________________________________ Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT hardware orphaned - how much should it cost? Date: 11 Feb 1993 20:36:00 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1ledbhINN30a@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Feb11.030422.3093@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> <1993Feb11.153037.7141@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <1993Feb11.172853.9081@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> But what is Canon going to do with the factory? Is there still hope? -patricia@cco.caltech.edu
From: steve@felix.contex.com (Steve A. Nickerson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Trying to find a NeXT to use in the Boston / Wakefield area Message-ID: <3382@contex.contex.com> Date: 9 Feb 93 17:54:58 GMT Sender: news@contex.contex.com Distribution: ne Organization: Xyvision Design Systems I recently came to Mass. from Maine to starta new job, but when I left Maine the optical drive on the NeXT up there would not work on ANY optical disks. I have one of the "old" 256 Meg. opticals with all kinds of stuff on it that I'd like to get off from it and put it on to a 4mm DAT, 8mm Exebyte, or even a 1/4" tape. Does anyone out there in netland have a configuration that I could use for 1 or 2 times in the evening or on a weekend? I'd REALLY appreciate it! Thanks in advance! S.A. Nickerson -------------------------------------- System Administrator Trying to establish voice connection-- Xyvision - Engineering please yell into the keyboard Wakefield, MA 01880-1285 -------------------------------------- steve@contex.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.misc From: warolsto@acs.ucalgary.ca (William Alexander Rolston) Subject: Including binary .eps files in TeX documents Sender: news@acs.ucalgary.ca (USENET News System) Message-ID: <93Feb11.203714.23075@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 20:37:14 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Hello, I am trying to include some binary images in .eps format into a TeX document using the \epsfbox{} command and then using dvips to generate the PostScript output. This works fine until I try to print it on a NeXT machine using NeXTStep 3.0. The machine prints until the figure with the included image and then logs me out. I have tried to make the .eps document conform to the PostScript standard but unfortunately the only document that I have is a rather old version (EPSF-1.2). I don't know if the problem is with the NeXT or with dvips (ver 5.47) or with my document. I have included the header part of the binary image .eps file in hopes that problem might be there. %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-1.2 %%Creator: cvi2ps %%Title: Gabor %%CreationDate: 02/01/93 22:43:53 %%DocumentFonts: Times-Roman %%DocumentNeededFonts: Times-Roman %%Pages: 1 %%BoundingBox 144 144 288 288 %%EndComments %%EndProlog %%Page: 1 1 /inch {72 mul} def /picstr 2 string def /Times-Roman findfont 12 scalefont setfont % --- Begin the Main Program --- gsave 144 144 translate 0 0 moveto 144 144 scale 256 256 8 [256 0 0 -256 0 256] {currentfile picstr readhexstring pop} %%BeginBinary: 65542 image (256 by 256 binary data deleted) %%EndBinary grestore showpage %%Trailer end %%EOF I appreciate any help in this matter. W. A. Rolston rolston@enel.ucalgary.ca warolsto@acs.ucalgary.ca
From: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT hardware orphaned - how much should it cost? Date: 11 Feb 1993 16:06:14 -0500 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1lef46INN486@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> References: <1993Feb11.030422.3093@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> <1993Feb11.153037.7141@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> In article <1993Feb11.153037.7141@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> sands@hood.eng.ohio-state.edu (Scott Sands) writes: >Now that NeXT is no longer making hardware, the price >of existing units should go up since there is a >limited supply... ... right? > >S Sands >Unbiased NeXTStation owner Demand should dry up. Most buyers/owners are big organizations that don't want unsupported hardware. All of those owners will also want to get rid of their old machines when NS/Intel is available to switch to ( an equivalent substitute ). Not only that, Intel boxes will be cheaper, so used NeXT machine prices need to at least match that. So around the time NS/Intel comes out you should see a glut in the used market and a lack of demand to take them up. Prices should plummet. If you're thinking of selling your 'Station, do it fast before NS/Intel hits the market. Chris -- Christopher D. Audley Elec & Comp Engineering The Johns Hopkins University Internet: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Message-ID: <-7#@byu.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 14:51:35 MST From: yackd@maine.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Game Kit Keywords: games If you've sent me mail about the game kit, you should have already seen this...but in case any other netters are remotely interested: I'm sending this message to everyone who has sent me e-mail expressing some kind of interest in the GameKit that I have been working on. I plan to start releasing some parts of the kit in a couple of weeks, namely the parts that handle scoring and high scores. In order to facilitate communication about the kit, I have set up a mailing list (sig, whatever) that could be used for general discussion about the kit. This would include questions/suggestions of general interest and also provide a place for me to post announcements about upcoming releases. (Of course, questions that aren't of general public interest should still be directed directly to me.) If you would like to be placed on the mailing list, you can send a message to me (Don_Yacktman@byu.edu) or to gamekit-request@byu.edu and I will add your name ASAP. To send messages to the list, send them to gamekit@byu.edu and off they'll go. Note that I'm maintaining the list by hand, so response time won't be instantaneous. Don't bother posting anything to the list until Tuesday, so that there's enough time for there to actually be some subscribers! :-) Later, -Don Yacktman Don_Yacktman@byu.edu
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: X Windows Date: 11 Feb 1993 19:10:21 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1le8at$4ku@steffi.demon.co.uk> I would like to hear from anybody who is doing X windows development with motif on a NeXT I'm thinking of getting my feet wet in this and would like to hear from peoples experiences. Im thinking of using co-Xist 3.0 (Should I ?)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: PSutils and lpr Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 17:26:36 GMT Message-ID: <1993Feb11.172636.19594@cyantic.com> I have successfully compiled the psutils programs to NeXT. They seem to work as advertised, however lpr cannot keep it's hands off the files on the way to the printer. The printer is an HPLJIII with PSLevel 2 cartridge and works perfectly with the NeXT. However, when files from psutil come through, they are never printed in a correct or complete form. For example, a simple 2-up landscape print job which previews perfectly under Preview, comes out in various ways, usually portrait, and with only one of the two pages printed. I have isolated the problem to lpr by moving the file to another system and sending down to the same printer. All is well in that case. Any help is appreciated. -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The Death of NeXT Date: 11 Feb 1993 16:43:21 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9302111445.AA04279@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us> Not. Absolutely not. I was a bit surprised to see I wasn't angry at Steve Jobs. Mr. Krill from "Open Systems" was interviewing me over the telephone about the hardware discontinuation. He reported his own conversation with Steve and he quoted me some newspaper releases. After I collected my thoughts, he heard that the NS486 was a plus and the current direction of the company still included practical yet visionary innovation. Hardware/software shifts can also represent highly creative modifications of an already creative endeavor. NeXTStep is being prepared for mass release. I did not endorse the idea that Steve has failed at all. The NeXT is not dead. The NeXT has gone virtual. The actual box/slab/brick has already transcended the physical plane as a collection of symbolic information (NS 486). What is the NeXT is already "jacked in," and so are we. Think about the apple2 simulation for the NeXT. Think about Executor. The speed of electronic evolution has already progressed to the point that the NeXT machine had to go virtual in order to be incorporated with the rest of the net. But I can understand the feelings of some folks who're already screaming,"betrayal." No way. Cutting-edge technology always hits the pocketbook and savings account pretty hard. But, think of the OS. Just because it has not yet manifested as the all-pervasive kick-butt GUI does not mean that this will not happen within a year or two. So that's what I meant when I told Mr. Krill that NeXT has gone virtual. If the games can do it, why not the computers? Now let's see....what are those bugs in NS 486 like?? %-) -73- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** Virtual Virtual Realities, German Shepherds, and Steinbergers.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) Subject: NeXT going out of Hardware Message-ID: <1993Feb11.152631.9895@ccsi.com> Sender: jcorallo@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 15:26:31 GMT There is one thing I just do not understand. I think there is something wrong with my calculator, I was wondering if some one could do the math for me and tell me if it is my calculator. $140,000,000 in sales --------------------- = $2,020.20 Avg. price 69,300 unit sold I was looking through the VAR price book and had a lot of trouble making any machine come out to be $2,020.20, except for upgrade boards, barely. Someone must be getting some great discounts or all NeXT was selling were upgrade boards. If this had been the cost to reseller channel, which would have been reasonable, they would not be shutting down the factory but moving into a new one. Of course, this is all subject to my calculator. From what we have seen, when we quoted the exact setup OEMed from Motorola, this would have been about the price we would have charged for a monochrome station and made a good profit. For Color 17" add another $500, there are many very good 17" inch monitors that are not expensive. Of course, if my calculator is on the fritz then I am just spewing....... -John Corallo P.S. Isn't this announcement a little early since now they have nothing to sell until June, unless people are crazy enough to buy inventoried stations.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Re: Is there a Budget program? Message-ID: <C2Axzp.HD1@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <1993Feb11.061441.8900@oceanlaw.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 20:52:39 GMT >>Also you can run (groan) Quicken via SoftPC. or the Macintosh version under Executor. --Cliff [naturally biased towards our own product] ctm@ardi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tpg@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Terry Gliedt) Subject: Help with OD on older cube Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Feb11.230325.9443@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 23:03:25 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Organization: IBM Rochester I'm trying to get an old cube (68030 processor) up and running. It appears to me that the optical disk is ill. After trying to boot it, eject the disk that is stuck in it, and generally just trying to make ANYTHING work, I disconnected the ribbon cable from the motherboard and unplugged the power. Finally the SCSI drive would boot. So, what does this mean? Is the OD really toast? Is there something I can poke, pull, turn to get the disk out of the OD? to make it behave in general? When I boot with everything powered up and plugged in, the ROM software tells me "no optical disk". Thanks in advance for any hints, advice.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: gibraltar!wiley (Wiley S. Hodges) Subject: Re: Diagram dwrite fix for 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Feb11.025738.301@lighthouse.com> Keywords: fix, Diagram, NeXTSTEP 3.0 Sender: wiley@lighthouse.com Organization: Lighthouse Design, Ltd. References: <1993Feb10.100435.4917@lighthouse.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 02:57:38 GMT In article <1993Feb10.100435.4917@lighthouse.com> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu (James Powell) writes: > I WAIS'd and I Gopher'd but try as I might, I could not find the dwrite > information needed to make Diagram! work under 3.0. Could someone send > the info to me? Thanks > > -- > James Powell >>> Library Automation, University Libraries, VPI&SU > >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU > >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here > >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic > >>> Journals I'll post it rather than send it, since there may be others out there who need it. The problem w/ Diagram! 1.1 under NeXTSTEP 3.0 is related to Diagram!'s interaction with the NXSystemFonts parameter. To correct this, open a shell and type the following command: dwrite Diagram NXSystemFonts Helvetica This should banish the problem for good. This problem does not occur with Diagram! 2.0, which was written specifically for NeXTSTEP 3.0. --Wiley -- Wiley Hodges wiley@lighthouse.com Lighthouse Design, Ltd. NeXTMail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: edmtl@taxus.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: AcChen dies often - fix/help??? Message-ID: <1993Feb11.223018.15652@alf.uib.no> Sender: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 22:30:18 GMT Hi. I'm having problems with AcChen version 1.8b, Last Change 15.05.92 I have a friend who plays quite often, and after several games AcChen dies with the following message to the console: Feb 10 18:22:27 sushi AcChen[1139]: DPS client library error: Error while writing to connection, DPSContext 701e4, data -102 Feb 10 18:22:27 sushi AcChen[1139]: Exiting due to Window Server death Feb 10 19:26:12 sushi -[180]: loginwindow: Workspace exited ts 0 cd 0 rc 0 sv 0 ss 0. The window server does _not_ appear to die, or have any problems, but AcChen swaps like mad when you match the first two tiles, and gives up with the above message. Exiting (from the login prompt) to restart the WindowServer fixes the problem. Is this a bug, or something I've configured wrong? All games on this host are sym-linked into /LocalApps from another partition, and are owned by root. Please e-mail replies. Regards, Thor -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
From: zeke@esosun.UUCP (James Dehnert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long will NeXTSTEP run on '040 NeXT's? Message-ID: <1086@esosun.UUCP> Date: 11 Feb 93 23:51:45 GMT References: <anthonjw.729454457@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> Organization: Science Applications International Corp., San Diego I imagine you will be able to get upgrades until 4.0, and mabey even until 5.0. If the early indications prove correct, Cannon will buy the factory and will provide upgrades to 040 users. We should know when the "official" announcement is made next week. I also imagine that Cannons upgrade will use a Pentium chip. That way HP dosen't have to compete with the slower ( but still fast ) Cannon machines, and they will be happy about that, and NeXT can use a sub set if its NextStp intel for the cannon machines that have built in color, DSP, SCSI, and what have you. All the people selling their machines right now are, in my opinion, either selling too soon, or too late. There wont be too many buyers at high prices, and if you sell out low you may be very disapointed when/if Cannon announces a good upgrade package. We should all remember that our machines that we have right now STILL WORK!! Just because NeXT dosent make them anymore dosen't mean that your computer suddenly is worthless. My advice would be to wait and see. All the cards are not on the table yet, and we may be pleasantly supprised when they finaly are. With any luck Cannon will even revive the OD for the cube, mabey even offer an upgrade path to a newer and better one! ( ok, wishfull thinking ) Zeke -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ = James "Zeke" Dehnert zeke@mode.css.gov = + SAIC Geophysical Div. Eschew Obfuscation + =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rmommer@stealth.weeg.uiowa.edu (Ric Mommer) Subject: Bad service at APS Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Feb12.025022.11438@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 02:50:22 GMT Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA I have a Toshiba 830 meg drive which I ordered from APS. I recently had problems with their customer service that included being treated rudely and lied to. While I understand that drives go bad, (I have recently heard that this mechanism has a history of problems) I do not understand why a company who purports to have "great technical support" can afford to treat their customers in the manner in which I have been treated. I would advise everyone to avoid doing business with this company. For those who want to hear all the sordid details, an in-depth description of my problems with APS follows: After about 2 and a half months of use, my drive developed bad blocks. I had heard about other problems with Toshiba 830, and wasn't comfortable with that mechanism anymore, so I called APS to see if I could exchange for another mechanism when returning my bad drive. I was informed by the manager of technical support that this was not their policy, and that I would have to take a reconditioned mechanism as my warranty exchange. My only option was to pay a 20% restocking fee -- even though I planned to purchase a replacement drive from them. Furthermore, when I asked what the turnaround for my warranty replacement was, I was informed that after they received my drive, it would be two days before they would ship another drive back. When I explained to him that this was the drive that contained all my data, and that I did not have another drive to use in the meanwhile, he became snotty with me and said that it wasn't his fault I didn't have a hardware backup. What I wanted to do was to have them ship me a drive. I could then copy my data from the bad drive to the good one, and then ship the drive back. I figured that by giving them my credit card number, they would trust me to return the defective drive. This is allowed by many mail-order companies that I have worked with, and I did not consider my request to be unreasonable. After several calls, I was finally able to talk them into cross-shipping a drive to me. This involved first Federal Expressing the drive to them, and then calling them with the tracking number. Then they would ship the replacement drive to me. That way I would only have to be without a drive for one evening. I did everything as promised, but the next day, the drive didn't arrive. Upset, I called their technical support to see why the drive wasn't shipped. They replied that they couldn't get a verification from Federal Express about the drive until the following morning. This was an outright lie. Federal Express reported to me that the tracking number was in the computer system and verifiable at 4pm that day. When I told the person at APS technical support that I had a hard time believing her story, she became very defensive and rude to me. After arguing with me for a few short minutes, she said "thank you for your call" and promptly hung up on me. At this point, I would never buy anything from APS, even if it is priced hundreds of dollars lower than their nearest competitor. I will also make sure that my company never orders anything from APS. I have never had problems like this before, and do not plan to have them in the future. There are literally hundreds of good mail order companies out there that will give you friendly, helpful service. Companies like APS give all mail order companies a bad name. Everyone would be best advised to avoid this company at all costs. Timothy A. Dawson Software Engineer Integrity Solutions St. Paul, MN 55103
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,tamu.general Subject: How do I make 600 dpi resolution pk files for TeX? Date: 12 Feb 1993 03:26:29 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1lf5d5INNd4@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: TeX, pk, Metafont, MakeTeXPK, pot-bellied pigs We just hooked up an HP LaserJet 4M to our network, and I'm eager to be impressed; however, when I run dvips I get the following This is dvips 5.491 Copyright 1986, 1992 Radical Eye Software ' TeX output 1993.02.11:1936' -> /Users/bryan/papers/book93/chap.ps - MakeTeXPK cmbx12 600 600 magstep\(0.0\) I don't know the mode for 600 Have your system admin update MakeTeXPK dvips: Font cmbx12.400pk at 600 not found; scaling 400 instead. dvips: Such scaling will generate extremely poor output. - MakeTeXPK cmr10 657 600 magstep\(0.5\) Appending font creation commands to missfont.log dvips: Font cmr10.480pk at 657 not found; scaling 480 instead. - MakeTeXPK cmsy8 600 600 magstep\(0.0\) dvips: Font cmsy8.400pk at 600 not found; scaling 400 instead. - MakeTeXPK cmsy10 657 600 magstep\(0.5\) dvips: Font cmsy10.480pk at 657 not found; scaling 480 instead. and so on.... I also get a missfont.log file with the MakeTeXPK commands. It seems that MakeTeXPK doesn't understand the mode for 600 dpi (it says so when I run it). I don't understand enough (read "anything") about Metafont to know right off what is happening. Can anyone give me any pointers? Any help would be *greatly* appreciated. -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rmommer@stealth.weeg.uiowa.edu (Ric Mommer) Subject: Bad luck with Toshiba, great luck with Spin Periph. Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Feb12.040833.12584@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 04:08:33 GMT Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA In article <1993Feb12.025108.11515@news.uiowa.edu> tdawson@is.com (Tim Dawson) writes: > I have a Toshiba 830 meg drive which I ordered from APS. I recently had > problems with their customer service ... I, too had bad luck with the Toshiba mechanism. (As a matter of fact, I posted the note for Tim Dawson as his usenet connection is down) I ordered five drives and had to return most of them for service. Luckilly, only one had data that couldn't be restored. It was a loss, but it could have been much worse. I, on the other hand, purchased my drives from Spin Peripherals (800) 466-1200. They were prompt in replacing the first two drives that went bad. Then, when we started to have problems with other Toshiba drives from that order, I called Dave Merchant at Spin. I explained to him that I was concerned about the reliability of the Toshiba drives and asked what my options were. He replied, "I'm sorry about the drives, and I'll make things right for you." That he did. He offered me their new 1.2gig DEC drive at a very reasonable price and refunded me the price I paid for the Toshiba drives (even though the 30-day period had well expired). He even sent the new drives to me and let me keep the old Toshiba drives until I copied over the data onto the new drives. He did absolutely everything he could to ensure that we were happy with our purchase. Anyway, I bought ten new DEC drives (in their 'cyclone' enclosure) and do they scream! I have suggested this drive to others at the University and highly recommend Spin Peripherals. I have no affiliation with Spin, nor are they paying be "a bazillion schamolians" for this endorsement. They are simply one of the finest mail-order businesses I have ever worked with. Ric Mommer University of Iowa
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: IT IS OFFICIAL! NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE Message-ID: <1993Feb12.014300.10039@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Feb11.085910.21202@email.tuwien.ac.at> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 01:43:00 GMT In article <1993Feb11.085910.21202@email.tuwien.ac.at> gast@next.ben-fh.tuwien.ac.at (Gast) writes: >>Reply-To: otto@hainzl.co.at >>> Is NeXT going to sell its work in progress to >>> someone? HP? Will we ever learn what chip was to be used for the NRW? >>> Will we now be forced to go to prefrences to change sound and dimmer? >> >> >>NeXT sold to Canpn. NRW is (or was) based on PowerPC. >>They said an upgrade path for 040 Customers will be available in the >>future. Whoa there! Where did this upgrade stuff come from ?????? Who are *They* ?!? Can you quote some official sources ??? -- Ronald Pomeroy "VisualWorks - the *only* real competition for IB" Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Bad service at APS Message-ID: <vc83pzn@rpi.edu> References: <1993Feb12.025022.11438@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 05:20:01 GMT rmommer@stealth.weeg.uiowa.edu (Ric Mommer) writes: > There are literally hundreds of good mail order companies out there that > will give you friendly, helpful service. Companies like APS give all mail > order companies a bad name. Everyone would be best advised to avoid this > company at all costs. As a long-time customer of APS, I have to disagree. I'm not sure why things were so sour for you, but I've bought several hard drives from APS (and some other things, though I can't remember what right now), and haven't had any problems at all with how they treated me. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: where is NeXT on Campus? Message-ID: <1993Feb11.202321.19727@pencom.com> Date: 11 Feb 93 20:23:21 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software Hello there: I'm now looking for back issues as well as the current issue for NeXT on Campus. I've downloaded the index from sonata but could not find anything. Please e-mial me directly and thanks in advance. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 343-1111 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * ****************************
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,tamu.general From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: How do I make 600 dpi resolution pk files for TeX? Message-ID: <tlm.729507892@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Keywords: TeX, pk, Metafont, MakeTeXPK, pot-bellied pigs Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1lf5d5INNd4@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 09:04:52 GMT In <1lf5d5INNd4@tamsun.tamu.edu> bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) writes: >We just hooked up an HP LaserJet 4M to our network, and I'm eager to be >impressed; however, when I run dvips I get the following >This is dvips 5.491 Copyright 1986, 1992 Radical Eye Software >' TeX output 1993.02.11:1936' -> /Users/bryan/papers/book93/chap.ps >- MakeTeXPK cmbx12 600 600 magstep\(0.0\) >I don't know the mode for 600 >Have your system admin update MakeTeXPK >dvips: Font cmbx12.400pk at 600 not found; scaling 400 instead. >dvips: Such scaling will generate extremely poor output. >- MakeTeXPK cmr10 657 600 magstep\(0.5\) >Appending font creation commands to missfont.log >dvips: Font cmr10.480pk at 657 not found; scaling 480 instead. >- MakeTeXPK cmsy8 600 600 magstep\(0.0\) >dvips: Font cmsy8.400pk at 600 not found; scaling 400 instead. >- MakeTeXPK cmsy10 657 600 magstep\(0.5\) >dvips: Font cmsy10.480pk at 657 not found; scaling 480 instead. > and so on.... >I also get a missfont.log file with the MakeTeXPK commands. It seems >that MakeTeXPK doesn't understand the mode for 600 dpi (it says so when >I run it). I don't understand enough (read "anything") about Metafont >to know right off what is happening. Can anyone give me any pointers? >Any help would be *greatly* appreciated. Metafont is the companion program to TeX which "makes" fonts. That is, it makes the .tfm files, which are font metric files, the little boxes that TeX typsets, and it makes the .pk files which contain the "glyphs" that dvips and TeXview toss into the little boxes so you can actually view your document (and not just a bunch of little boxes :) To print on the HP Metafont has to know how to make 600 dpi bitmaps. Since that was not necessary until just lately, your copy of NeXT-TeX did not come wiht such a set of instructions (called a mode_def FYI). I just *happened* to notice the other day that an updated version of mode_defs has recently been released, and I also happened to notice that the "releaser", Karl Berry at U. Mass Boston mentioned that a mode_def for the HPIV was in the new release. I believe you can grab that release via anonymous ftp from ftp.cs.umb.edu but don't hold me to it (okay, okay, hold me to it. If that doesn't work write me and I will find the friggin file for you :) If you can get the file by yourself, however, find the mode_def for the HPIV, copy it, and add it to the file /usr/lib/mf/next.mf which contains all of the mode_defs which Metafont uses. At that point Metafont should know how to make the 600 dpi fonts for you --- warning, they will *really* hog space, a little more than twice as much as the 300 dpi versions. If you are printing in a mixed environment, i.e. 300, 400 and 600 dpi printers, you might want to consider switching to Postscript TeX fonts, since then you can eliminate all of the .pk files and save all of that space. Available from a couple of commercial sources. Hope this answers the relevant questions. If there are still problems write me and we will get to them. Best --- Tom PS: As payment for this information I would like you to mail me a couple of pages of nice mathematical TeX output so I can see what 600 dpi looks like (he said drooling :) Dr. T. L. Marchioro II Center for Physical and Computational Mathematics Ames Laboratory 235 Wilhelm Hall Ames, Iowa 50010 I can even send you a specific file to print if you'd like....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jesper@harry.xanthus.se (Jesper Lundh) Subject: Xanthus International Announces Full Support for NeXTSTEP/Intel Message-ID: <1993Feb12.104944.1591@sics.se> Sender: news@sics.se Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 10:49:44 GMT ------- Xanthus International Announces Full Support for ------- NeXTSTEP/Intel and Future Versions of NeXSTEP Stockholm, February 12, 1993 - Xanthus International AB today announced that the company is currently porting all its software products to run on NeXTSTEP/Intel. This pressrelease is called upon since NeXT Computer Inc. recently announced that the company will stop manufacturing hardware, and focus on its NeXTSTEP system software for multiple existing hardware platforms. Xanthus, as a NeXTSTEP software company, hereby wants to clarify its position in the new market situation. Xanthus currently ships the following software products that runs on NeXTSTEP: - CraftMan - a multimedia authoring tool with powerful scripting and free runtime engine. - LaserMan - a tool for controlling Laser Disc Players and other devices from a computer running NeXTSTEP, either direct or by another application like CraftMan. - SplitBuilder - a system for sending large files via NeXTmail. - Questor - a state-of-the-art matrix-based spreadsheet for NeXTSTEP with business graphics, powerful scripting and database access. (Shipping late March 1993). - Graphity - a business graphics application with 2D-graphs and 3D-graphs based on Renderman. (Shipping late March 1993). "We think that NeXTSTEP/Intel - and subsequent versions of NeXTSTEP - will make NeXTSTEP a very successful operating system", says Jesper Lundh, marketing manager at Xanthus. "Xanthus fully supports NeXT's decision to focus on object-oriented system software and making NeXTSTEP available on multiple hardware platforms. We think this is a great opportunity for us as a software company, and there will be more exciting product announcements from Xanthus before the NeXTWORLD Expo in San Francisco on May 25-27." Xanthus intends to deliver its complete line of software products on all available versions of NeXTSTEP. Beta-versions of all Xanthus' software products running on NeXSTEP/Intel will be available soon. Xanthus International, headquartered in Stockholm, Sweden, is a privately owned software development company that specializes in the NeXTSTEP platform. Xanthus International was founded in 1990. For more information please contact: Xanthus International AB Jesper Lundh phone: +46-8-612 89 95 fax: +46-8-612 89 96 mail: xanthus@xanthus.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 229-3361) Subject: NeXT hardware gone? Sender: usenet@cuug.ab.ca (News Admin) Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 17:58:44 GMT Message-ID: <C2Apxw.8E@cuug.ab.ca> So has NeXT dumped it's hardware? My latest news is dated Feb 1, so if someone can answer this, please email me details. I don't want to have to wait ten days to find out what's going on. Terry Wilcox terry@squid9.cuc.ab.ca NeXTmail wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca not NeXTmail
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: ZyXEL voicemail for NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Feb12.110732.25853@alf.uib.no> Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 11:07:32 GMT I remember reading a posting (from Germany, I think) about a (beta?) voicemail system for NeXTSTEP. I beleive it was shareware. I would like to get a copy of this program, but haven't found it in any of the usual NeXT archives (orst/sonata), and since I don't remember the name I can't use Archie (well, I _could_, but the Finnish Archie server is down, and I think the file is too new to show up). Could anyone with info on this program please e-mail me? Thanks. Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: NeXT hardware orphaned - how much should it cost? Message-ID: <1993Feb12.151852.5843@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <1993Feb11.153037.7141@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <1993Feb11.172853.9081@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1ledbhINN30a@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 15:18:52 GMT In article <1ledbhINN30a@gap.caltech.edu> patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes: > >But what is Canon going to do with the factory? They'll use them to Can salmon!-) Actually, I believe they will probably make black PowerPC-based multiprocesser computers that just happen to run NeXTSTEP. > >Is there still hope? Does Rich Page have a job? > >-patricia@cco.caltech.edu Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nwc (Nick Christopher) Subject: Re: Tone recognition on POTS line with PHONE KIT Message-ID: <C2AEGo.Cs@ny.shl.com> Sender: usenet@ny.shl.com (Net News) Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc. References: <C272BF.BFJ@news.cis.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 13:50:48 GMT I posted about this to c.s.n.hardware but I followup here too... I found the the tone detection rather poor and very sloppy - my voice would match a lot of tones. There were a few other problems as well. \n Nicholas Christopher Systemhouse nwc@ny.shl.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fosdal@phenxm.physics.wisc.edu Subject: (unix) mail -> Mail.app Message-ID: <1993Feb12.163404.23254@cs.wisc.edu> Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 16:34:04 GMT A while ago somebody posted a method of putting all the mail you have recieved (/usr/spool/mail/user) into ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox so that Mail.app can read it. The method works except for the following problems: 1) It puts the window for Active.mbox back into its default postion 2) It messes up the NeXT mail (if you have recieved any) Does there exist a better solution that will but /usr/spool/mail/user into ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox/mbox NICELY? -- Steven R. Fosdal UW-Madison Physics Dept. NeXT System 1150 University Ave, Madison WI 53706 Management Phone: (608)262-8947 Fax: (608)262-8628 fosdal@phenxm.physics.wisc.edu (NeXT mail o.k.)
From: tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca. (Mark G. Tacchi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SUBMISSION: Digit - Scientific Calculator v1.2 Message-ID: <C2CJEt.29p@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Date: 12 Feb 93 17:32:52 GMT Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada I have cleaned up the Digit application and replaced the one on the Purdue archives. Compatibility ------------- This application runs on NeXTSTEP 3.0. About Digit ----------- Digit is a scientific calculator that was written to simulate existing pocket calculators. It features: o common key layout o standard function set o trigonometric functions including hyperbolic o engineering and scientific modes o bin/oct/dec/hex conversion o multiple memory cells o metric/imperial conversions Distribution ------------ ftp sonata.cc.purdue.edu cd /pub/next/submissions binary get Digit.README get Digit.app.tar.Z Please feel free to copy and distribute Digit, there is no charge to use it. I hope that you find it useful. -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca Unix Support Group (NeXT Mail Welcome) University of Manitoba Computer Services "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
From: yu@cs.utexas.edu (Yeong-Ho Yu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Minimum space requirement for NS3.0 development version Date: 12 Feb 1993 12:25:13 -0600 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <lnnqs9INN81m@ai.cs.utexas.edu> Keywords: minimum Would somebody tell me how much disk space do I need for a NS3.0 developement version? Better yet, can sombody tell me how much space do I need for a NS3.0 development version minus usually unnecessary stuff such as Webster, Shakespere, and other demos and examples. Many thanks in advance. Yeong yu@cs.utexas.edu ----------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cbradley@bozell.com (Chris Bradley) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT ignored? Message-ID: <1993Feb11.155623.18839@bozell.com> Sender: news@bozell.com Organization: Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. References: <1kvaq9INNrm4@digex.digex.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 15:56:23 GMT In article <1kvaq9INNrm4@digex.digex.com> hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) writes: [...] > The programming / interface framework the NeXT provides is GREAT for > building commercial apps but when it comes to just sitting down and > hacking together little toys, the Mac is tons more fun (and more > frustrating). I dunno about the rest of you, but I really *enjoy* seeing projects come together quickly, and who has time to "hack together little toys"!? > > Maybe its just the look of the interface. Its a Cadillac. It's > too perfect. Too smooth. The Mac interface looks more like the old > beat-up Volkswagen. Yeah it crashes a lot, but you aren't afraid to > beat it up a little to get your kicks. The NeXT's interface is > imposing, like a rosewood paneled board room. > > Well, maybe colour will spice up my life a little when NeXT finally > comes out with affordable colour for my cube. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Don't hold your breath :-) -- Chris Bradley | cbradley@bozell.com Techno-Slave, with Many Masters | +1 214 830 2273 vox Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. | +1 214 830 2687 fax Advertising and Public Relations | "Born ready"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.ai From: gibbonst@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Tom Gibbons ) Subject: Collectiong speech data using the NeXT? Message-ID: <C2Cp65.3L1@cda.mrs.umn.edu> Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 19:37:16 GMT I have a student who wants to do some simple speech recognition using or NeXT computer. We are looking for some simple software to do the voice collection. We would like to record the sound and do a FFT on it (possibily using teh DSP's) to produce some data that the student can then apply some speech recognition algorithms on. Do any have a simple applicaiton for the next that will record a sound and do a Fast Fourier Transform on it? An alternative would be to find a public domain collection of sounds for use in speach recognition. A large number of simple sound from multiple speakers would be best. Any suggestions? Thanks, Tom Gibbons gibbonst@ccda.mrs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aeschwar@unity.ncsu.edu (Adam E. Schwartz) Subject: NeXT shells? Message-ID: <1993Feb12.184356.26853@ncsu.edu> Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: NCSU Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 18:43:56 GMT Hello all, Is there a shell that you consider to be better than tcsh? Right now I'm using tcsh as my shell (not sure which version). I like it a LOT and would recommend it to anyone asking about shells. However, I can compare it to only csh, and though I'm most comfortable with tcsh I do know there also is a shell called zsh or zcsh or something like that. All I know about zcsh is it's larger, I think, than tcsh, which is larger than csh. What advantages, if any, are there to zcsh? I scanned the readme file for zcsh, and it seemed to be pretty much the same as tcsh. Are there any other notable shells available for the NeXT? thanks, --Adam -- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Adam Schwartz | W: 919-515-5424 | | adam@ncsu.edu | (Raleigh, NC) | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Tone recognition on POTS line with PHONE KIT Message-ID: <C2CrsL.2sC@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <C2AEGo.Cs@ny.shl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 20:33:56 GMT In article <C2AEGo.Cs@ny.shl.com> nwc (Nick Christopher) writes: > I posted about this to c.s.n.hardware but I followup here too... I found the > the tone detection rather poor and very sloppy - my voice would match a lot of > tones. There were a few other problems as well. > > \n > Nicholas Christopher > Systemhouse > nwc@ny.shl.com Yes and no. The only time I've found the tone detection to be an issue (on POTS of course) is when I'm calling it from my car phone. Further, it only is a problem when I'm on some towers and isn't when I'm on other towers. My guess is that it has something to do with the analog filters being too smart on some radios or out of band signalling on the line (which should never be seen, but one never knows). When I first started development I was on a NEC key system that (is the stupidest key system) would spurt MF tones onto the line. I've moved offices and haven't missed it at all. On my current system I have never seen this problem. peter peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
From: john@klein.Mines.Colorado.EDU (John Stockwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Babying your NeXT... Keywords: hardware,maintenance Message-ID: <1993Feb12.192555.45143@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: 12 Feb 93 19:25:55 GMT Sender: news@slate.mines.colorado.edu Organization: Colorado School of Mines With NeXT discontinuing its hardware line and the potential unavailability of spare parts, are there any tips from NeXT gurus out there in Netland on "babying your NeXT" so that it will last longer? Thanks in advance. John Stockwell Center for Wave Phenomena Colorado School of Mines Golden, CO 80401 john@dix.mines.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: fedor@hopper.Colorado.EDU (Adam Fedor) Subject: working NewsBase Message-ID: <1993Feb12.231817.3609@colorado.edu> Originator: fedor@hopper.Colorado.EDU Keywords: Newsbase Newsgrazer Sender: news@colorado.edu (The Daily Planet) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 23:18:17 GMT With the original "submitter"'s permission, I replaced the NewsBase source on cs.orst.edu with a modified version which should compile on standard (i.e non-Japanese) operating systems - you don't need the Japanese libraries to compile them. If you haven't heard, NewsBase "works like" Newsgrazer, but comes with complete source. Look for NewsBase302.source.tar.Z at cs.orst.edu:pub/next/submissions -- Adam Fedor. CU, Boulder | Fudd's Law of Opposition: Push something fedor@boulder.colorado.edu (W) | hard enough and it will fall over. adam@bastille.rmnug.org (H,NeXTMail)|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fdm@engr.ucf.edu (Frederic D. McKenzie (Rick)) Subject: The Future of NeXT??????????????????????? Message-ID: <1993Feb12.224441.11350@cs.ucf.edu> Sender: news@cs.ucf.edu (News system) Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 22:44:41 GMT With all the conflicting discussion concerning whether or not NeXT drops its hardware, I have a few questions. Assuming that NeXT does drop its hardware line (just ASSUMING!), a) what is going to happen to the value of the existing NeXT machines? b) What kind of support will NeXT provide for existing NeXT users (hardware and software)? Possibly third party support? c) A friend of mine is thinking of purchasing a NeXT, Do you think this is a good idea considering what may or may not happen? d) Has NeXT investigated the use of RISC technologies to overcome the 33 MHz limitation? I'm not trying to alarm anyone. I'm just interested in the opinions of NeXT users about how they think the company would handle such a situation. In my opinion, it will be a shame to lose the uniqueness of the NeXT machine. Thanks for your input, Rick fdm@engr.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: SUBMISSION: Digit - Scientific Calculator v1.2 Message-ID: <C2CyKx.75C@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <C2CJEt.29p@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 23:00:33 GMT Yikes! I left some experimental code in that screws up the function keys. Try 6**2 - 4**2 =. See? Ok, I'll have a new version on Purdue this weekend. Sorry about any inconvenience. -Mark In <C2CJEt.29p@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca. (Mark G. Tacchi) writes: >I have cleaned up the Digit application and replaced the one on the Purdue >archives. >Compatibility >------------- >This application runs on NeXTSTEP 3.0. >About Digit >----------- >Digit is a scientific calculator that was written to simulate existing pocket >calculators. It features: > o common key layout > o standard function set > o trigonometric functions including hyperbolic > o engineering and scientific modes > o bin/oct/dec/hex conversion > o multiple memory cells > o metric/imperial conversions >Distribution >------------ >ftp sonata.cc.purdue.edu >cd /pub/next/submissions >binary >get Digit.README >get Digit.app.tar.Z >Please feel free to copy and distribute Digit, there is no charge to use it. I >hope that you find it useful. >-- >Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca > Unix Support Group (NeXT Mail Welcome) > University of Manitoba Computer Services > "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer." -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca Unix Support Group (NeXT Mail Welcome) University of Manitoba Computer Services "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: NeXT shells? Message-ID: <tlm.729561570@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Feb12.184356.26853@ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 23:59:30 GMT In <1993Feb12.184356.26853@ncsu.edu> aeschwar@unity.ncsu.edu (Adam E. Schwartz) writes: >Hello all, >Is there a shell that you consider to be better than tcsh? Oh boy, here come the religious wars again! :) Why don't we also try to decide which is the best Text Editor while we're at it? (In my younger days I would joke that the Berlin wall would come down some day, but people would still be fighting over their editors....just call me Nostrodamus :) TLM
From: GEB0983@SAE.TOWSON.EDU (Eric Bennett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need better fan for NeXTcube Date: 12 Feb 1993 20:45:12 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <01GUNDPRXGGY8Y5X2B@TOE.TOWSON.EDU> Art Isbell <isbell@cats.ucsc.edu> writes: >In article <1993Feb6.071108.5392@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >>We've had a number of 1 GB drives internal >>drives go bad (different manufactures too). It does seem >>that the OD filters restrict the air flow a great deal. We've >>ordered new ones, but I still have doubts about whether >>enough air is being drawn though to properly cool the innards >>of our cubes. You might try switching the drives: put the OD on top. I did this to get rid of a vibration problem and my cube started running much cooler. I think that putting the slot at the top prevents hot air from accumulating in the top half of the cube: Mine went from really hot before to just above room tempature afterwards. A big fan of the cube myself, I am Eric B.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: Re: IT IS OFFICIAL! NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE Message-ID: <1993Feb13.033143.9491@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University References: <1993Feb11.085910.21202@email.tuwien.ac.at> <1993Feb12.014300.10039@dvorak.amd.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 03:31:43 GMT In article <1993Feb12.014300.10039@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: >In article <1993Feb11.085910.21202@email.tuwien.ac.at> >>> >>>NeXT sold to Canpn. NRW is (or was) based on PowerPC. >>>They said an upgrade path for 040 Customers will be available in the >>>future. > >Whoa there! Where did this upgrade stuff come from ?????? > >Who are *They* ?!? Can you quote some official sources ??? If this is true, will it be available for all 040 customers, turbo or not? Thanks, JT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hwang@nextvm5.corp.mot.com (Hao Wang) Subject: DOS format disk Organization: MOTOROLA Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 21:02:19 GMT Message-ID: <1993Feb12.210219.23428@schbbs.mot.com> Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (Net News) Hi all: I have Next workstation with version 2.0. I used to be able to read DOS disks. But now I can't. I don't think I did any change for the system. Is there any settings? Please help me. Thanks. -- Hao Wang nextvm5.corp.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Sonata Mail Server Message-ID: <1993Feb12.121708.2842@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center Date: Fri, 12 Feb 93 12:17:08 GMT Has anyone else experienced problems accessing the mail server? I get out of date indices and my requests for files come back saying that I did not ask it to do anything so it is giving me the help file. --- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288 -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cube as upgrade path?? (was Re: IT IS OFFICIAL! NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE Message-ID: <Feb.12.14.11.22.1993.19653@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 12 Feb 93 19:11:22 GMT References: <C28xBw.DLI@newsflash.concordia.ca> <1993Feb11.105158.27967@alf.uib.no> <1993Feb11.184758.11033@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. >Cubes...likely wont get passed NS 3.0/3.1 Why would a slab go beyond 3 and a cube wouldnt? This is some kind of hysteria. I see no reason that both systems won't make it into 4.0. later, John
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ****Will Steve Jobs Abandon Next Computer Line Next Tuesday? 02/09/93 Message-ID: <18472@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 13 Feb 93 05:48:22 GMT References: <1993Feb10.052347.10976@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM I was lucky enough to be at NeXT HQ in Redwood City last Wednesday. Yes, NeXT is no longer a hardware company. Yes, they're going to try 'n port NeXTstep to other platforms (I used NeXTstep for Intel; it's slick -- a 66Mhz '486 is faster than any NeXT hardware). This is what most people wanted all along. My only concern is whether or not the industry will recognize what a jewel they have here. In any event, I am almost definitely going to be at NeXTworld Expo. Should be a hot show. Maybe NeXT will have an announcement about other platforms lined up. Mike 'Been to Mecca' Matthews [I was tempted to yell out "I'M NOT WORTHY! I'M NOT WORTHY!" but it was an odd day at NeXT as lots of people were packing their things]
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IT IS OFFICIAL! NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE Message-ID: <18473@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 13 Feb 93 05:53:00 GMT References: <1993Feb10.164557.188574@zeus.calpoly.edu> <C28vM9.Eqq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <C28vM9.Eqq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam) writes: >Nope, I doubt Sun or HP will, after all, when(if) SUN ever gets it's Solaris >2.x to fully use their multiprocessor systems, then ... Gee, go to California for a week and just LOOK at all this news that's waiting to be read. :-) Good thing I don't read the .advocacy group. Actually, I would think NeXT is actively pursuing HP and Sun (and SGI and IBM and DEC and any other workstation maker you can think of); with Pentium and Windows/NT, there isn't much advantage to getting a Unix workstation. Unless of course it runs NeXTstep. >Ken Lam ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ What garlic is to salad, insanity is to art.
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How long will NeXTSTEP run on '040 NeXT's? Message-ID: <18474@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 13 Feb 93 06:04:02 GMT References: <anthonjw.729454457@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <anthonjw.729454457@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> anthonjw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason W. Anthony) writes: >Assuming NeXT is dropping the NeXTstation and cubes, (and may or may not >have an Intel-based machine), I'm wondering how long NeXTSTEP will >continue to work with our existing NeXT machines. Since the Intel NeXTSTEP >will now be the primary version, will they still release NeXTSTEPs that >work on my NeXTstation? And if so, for how long? NeXTstep will be available on Moto machines for at least the 3.X versions. BTW, NeXTstep for Intel is based on NeXTstep 3.1, and May 25th is not only the announced sell date for NeXTstep for Intel but also the availability of 3.1 for NeXT hardware. >Any speculation is welcomed (since I guess that's all we have at this >point! :-) This ain't speculation. It may not be right, but it isn't speculation. <ahem> >Jason W. Anthony ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ But soft you, the fair Ophelia: Ope not thy ponderous and marble jaws, But get thee to a nunnery -- go! -- Mark "The Bard" Twain
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Diagram dwrite fix for 3.0 Keywords: fix, Diagram, NeXTSTEP 3.0 Message-ID: <18475@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 13 Feb 93 06:11:40 GMT References: <1993Feb10.100435.4917@lighthouse.com> <1993Feb11.025738.301@lighthouse.com> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <1993Feb11.025738.301@lighthouse.com> wiley@lighthouse.com writes: >This should banish the problem for good. Unless you change it back of course. >This problem does not occur with Diagram! 2.0, which was written >specifically for NeXTSTEP 3.0. Which, I might add, is ** HOT **. Just installed it today. It is well worth the upgrade cost, even though I'm no longer a student. You even get a neat T-shirt, free. :-) >--Wiley ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ #define BITCOUNT(x) (((BX_(x)+(BX_(x)>>4)) & 0x0F0F0F0F) % 255) #define BX_(x) ((x) - (((x)>>1)&0x77777777) \ - (((x)>>2)&0x33333333) \ - (((x)>>3)&0x11111111)) -- really weird C code to count the number of bits in a word
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP ONE book Message-ID: <1993Feb12.121433.707@prim> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Feb04.044431.162801@zeus.calpoly.edu> <C28sF7.50K@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 12:14:33 GMT In article <C28sF7.50K@news2.cis.umn.edu> jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Jeff Hallgren) writes: > Page 295. The code listed for method setup would be nice if it >worked. Apparently the function NXHomeDirectory() is buggy. >So, to make it work, make some changes. > Could you clarify this? I've just replaced my calls to getenv("HOME") with calls to NXHomeDirectory(). It's not as though it has to do a whole load... Dave Griffiths
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Encouraging Thoughts About Dropping Hardware Message-ID: <9974@news.duke.edu> Date: 13 Feb 93 12:21:08 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu I've had a few days to mull a couple of thoughts about NeXT's recent decision to discontinue the hardware line of their business. What struck me as strange was that there was a little bit of deja vu to all of this and could possibly parallel the path of another company that Steve Jobs has financial resources invested. Many people may not realize that Pixar was started as both a hardware and software company by George Lucas, Steve Jobs and others to make killer computer graphic equipment. There was a big shakeout in the marketplace in the mid-1980's with a lot of software houses like Abel Image Research who went bust. Silicon Graphics emerged as the industry's hardware leader and Pixar dropped its hardware line. The folks at Pixar banked on charting their future on their crown jewel--RenderMan. Now, we see RenderMan used just about everywhere as a de facto standard for 3D modeling. Now, can't say how well the company is doing financially at present, but they made a smart decision to capitalize on what they do well. A lot of people were stinging at the time Pixar dropped their hardware, but the move was right at the time. Otherwise, we probably wouldn't even see Pixar around today given the death of other very good computer graphics shops like Cranston & Csuri. Peace (using my still-working NeXTcube and have no plans to sell it) -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail gleefully accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: doberman!mike (Mike Panzitta) Subject: Hopeful Prediction (i.e. wishful thinking) Message-ID: <1993Feb13.061404.11466@doberman.uucp> Sender: mike@doberman.uucp Organization: Doberman Systems Date: Sat, 13 Feb 93 06:14:04 GMT Remember a quite successful marketing ploy made by the Coca Cola Company where Coca Cola Classic was revived by popular demand... -Mike -- Mike Panzitta Doberman Systems doberman!mike@esunix.sim.es.com (NeXT Mail)
From: yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware) Message-ID: <C2EBJ8.39r@acsu.buffalo.edu> Date: 13 Feb 93 16:37:55 GMT References: <C1K6M1.K1A@utstat.toronto.edu> <1k8kdt$mnv@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: UB In article <1k8kdt$mnv@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: > >It seems to me that it is a matter of timing. Yes, NeXT may be >a software company 5 years from now, but they can't afford to annouce >that they are dropping hardware now when the hardware business is the >only source of revenue that made modest growth and break-even in 92 possible. >When they annouce that kind of direction change, they have to be already >making enough money from software sales. And that won't be any time I think NeXT is going to lay off their hardware engineer and keep the software gurus. By doing this they can ssurvive this crisis. In fact, I've heard that NeXT is selling their factory and hardware engineer team to Canon. (No surprise at all) And I bet they will put NeXTSTEP on every major platform on this planet: Sparc, HP, 80486, even 68040 (Apple Macintosh). The last candidate is particularly interesting.:-)
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: STOP! Date: 13 Feb 1993 19:04:53 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ljgolINN3n8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> All of this complaining is making me sick! NeXT is much better off as a software company. The only reason people bought NeXT "hardware" was to run NeXTSTEP. They certainly didn't buy it for its price/performance. If they wanted cheap, fast hardware, they could have bought Sun, or a 486DX/2. The 70,000 or so who bought NeXT's so far did it because of NeXTSTEP SOFTWARE. The stregth of NeXT is its software, and now it will be available on multiple platforms. This will give NeXTSTEP a more "open" feel. Also, those who are complaining that their NeXT hardware is obsolete are crazy. The 68040 systems are fast, well designed, highly regarded. NeXTSTEP software will be available on these systems for as long as NeXT supports them. By the way, it is a FEDERAL LAW that NeXT has to support its discontinued hardware for five years. To configure an Intel system to make it NeXTSTEP compatable will not be cheap. Existing NeXT hardware owners should be rest assured that their investment was well worth it. Heck, if NeXTSTEP really catches on, those black boxes might just be more sought after than before. Eric Hermanson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: NeXT going out of Hardware Message-ID: <1993Feb12.151402.1271@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1993Feb11.152631.9895@ccsi.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 15:14:02 GMT In article <1993Feb11.152631.9895@ccsi.com> John@ccsi.com writes: >>There is one thing I just do not understand. I think there is something >>wrong with my calculator, I was wondering if some one could do the math >>for me and tell me if it is my calculator. >> >>$140,000,000 in sales >>--------------------- = $2,020.20 Avg. price >> 69,300 unit sold >> >>I was looking through the VAR price book and had a lot of trouble making >>any machine come out to be $2,020.20, except for upgrade boards, barely. >>Someone must be getting some great discounts or all NeXT was selling were >>upgrade boards. If this had been the cost to reseller channel, which >>would have been reasonable, they would not be shutting down the factory >>but moving into a new one. Of course, this is all subject to my >>calculator. Remember, the $140M number came from NeXT, the 69,300 number didn't. According to my sources at NeXT, that number is high. -- --> Michael B. Johnson --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: imdat@tpki.toppoint.de (Imdat Solak) Subject: Re: Who'll be first to ship 'ready for NeXTSTEP' machines ? Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V. Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 18:45:06 GMT Message-ID: <1993Feb13.184506.24054@tpki.toppoint.de> References: <1993Feb11.073953.6129@bernina.ethz.ch> flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) writes: >I wonder whether there are any specific announcements of Dell, Compaq or any >other 486 manufacturer whether they will sell NeXTSTEP ready machines. Dell >seems to be the only viable choice because of their JAWS graphics. I don't >believe that DPS will 'RUN' on EISA boards. >Can anybody comment ? Yes I can comment it. DPS RUNS on EISA boards. I've seen it and man... believe it or not: it was FAST! (BTW: it was a Compaq 486 /33Mhz machine with EISA True Vision card.) reg. imdat -- Imdat Solak imdat@tpki.toppoint.de 2251 Ostenfeld
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: New version of SLIPCommander (v2.1) submitted to archive sites Message-ID: <1993Feb14.015453.25259@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 01:54:53 GMT Hi, I've placed a minor updated version of SLIPCommander (v2.1) to the following archive sites: sonata.cc.purdue.edu, nova.cc.purdue.edu, and cs.orst.edu. Here's the new readme file: ======================================================================= Welcome to SLIPCommander2.1! Version 2.1 Improvements & bug fixed ==================================== * SLIPCommander now saves the open windows' locations, so you may go ahead and pick a good spots for Commander Window and Inspector Panel. * New command 'Commander' added to the main menu that helps you get back the commander window. * The SLIP status display bug has been fixed. SLIPCommander.app is a NeXTStep Interface to the SLIP commands provided in the TransSys DialUpIP SLIP package by Louis A. Mamakos. Installation of the latest SLIP_v1.pkg version 920904 is highly recommended. SLIPCommander simplifies the SLIP connection/disconnection process as well as retrieving mails from remote sites. A set of very informative panel buttons are used to provide a NeXTStep looks & feels Interface. If you use SLIP connection a lot, you will find SLIPCommander a very sexy companion along with your NeXT. What's in the SLIPCommander? ============================ * Toggle SLIP with connection/disconnection button. * NeXTMails are always just a 'click' away. * Auto-redial within time-out upon a busy phone line . * Monitoring your SLIP connection status. Version 2.0 Improvements ======================== * Yes, SLIPCommander is now 3.0 color and Help ready. * SLIPCommander is more stable and responsive than ever due to a new fine-tuned mechanism of message passing. * A much easier way to customize your personal preference. The root password is no longer needed. A configurable path for finding SLIP commands. * New-Mails notification. (you no longer need to watch the logwindow closely for mail arrival.) * An improved Commander window that controls and displays SLIP activities with a set of colorful icon buttons. * A memory saver, bi-colored logwindow. * Elimination of the $(HOME)/.SlipCommander file. Preference are now store in the Defaults database. Installation ============ Do the checksum on SLIPCommander.app.compressed, you should get the following: sum SLIPCommander.app.compressed 41970 144 1. SLIPCommander uses setuid() system call to access root-privileged SLIP network interface. So you will not be able to bring up the SLIP connection from the first launch. Once you have decided to run SLIPCommander, You must QUIT the program and do the following: Note: If the network interface on your NeXT is owned by the user other than the root, Jump to 6. now. su to root : # chown -R root SLIPCommander.app # chmod 4755 SLIPCommander.app/SLIPCommander 2. SLIPCommander stiil requires your account to be in the wheel group. Run the /NextAdmin/UserManager.app if needed to change your default group. 3. Now, log back into your account and place a copy of RMS Mail script in your ~Apps. Your may still use your old MailScript file in your ~Apps directory, or you can replace it with the newly supply. Both versions provide exactly the same RMS script. 4. Run SLIPCommander and enter proper settings in the preference. Be sure to click <Use> upon completion. 5. Sit back, click the phone button and you are ready to fly. -------OVER-------- **6. If your network interface was not setup and owned by root, you can run SLIPCommander from any user in any group. But you need to obtain the username and user-id of the the user that owns the SLIP network interface. And then do the following: su to username : $ chown -R username SLIPCommander.app $ chmod 4755 SLIPCommander.app/SLIPCommander 7. And later on, you will need to enter the user-id in the Preference setup in step 4. 8. Go to setp 3. For SlipCommander 1.0 user only =============================== 1. You may now delete the .SlipCommander in your home directory since it is no longer needed in the new release. However, you are still required to re-enter your preference before any connection. 2. You may remove the /usr/dialupip/bin from your Root path, since SLIPCommander no longer search the path for commands. 3. Since SLIPCommander has minimized the time and risk of being a root in order to prevent any accidental damange to your system. RMS is now invoked from normal user, which means you will have to change the owner of all the temporary files and spool file to normal user. Otherwise, you may keep on getting duplicates of new mails. Mak ethe following changes while login as root, assumming that your user name is 'garyc': # chown garyc /tmp/m.1 /tmp/garyc.1 # chown garyc /usr/spool/mail/garyc -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: Babying your NeXT... Message-ID: <1993Feb14.025832.4530@socrates.umd.edu> Keywords: hardware,maintenance Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <1993Feb12.192555.45143@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 02:58:32 GMT In article <1993Feb12.192555.45143@slate.mines.colorado.edu> john@klein.Mines.Colorado.EDU (John Stockwell) writes: >With NeXT discontinuing its hardware line and the potential >unavailability of spare parts, are there any tips >from NeXT gurus out there in Netland on >"babying your NeXT" so that it will last longer? It is my understanding that a computer manufacturer must maintain parts for servicing for seven years after discontinuing a product (this is why NeXT wanted your 030 board when you upgraded to the 040). I assume some arrangement will be made with Canon to actually handle this. Charlie BTW-John, do you do any work with turbulence? > >Thanks in advance. > >John Stockwell >Center for Wave Phenomena >Colorado School of Mines >Golden, CO 80401 > >john@dix.mines.colorado.edu -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NeXT shells? In-Reply-To: aeschwar@unity.ncsu.edu's message of Fri, 12 Feb 1993 18:43:56 GMT To: aeschwar@unity.ncsu.edu (Adam E. Schwartz) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Feb12194552@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Feb12.184356.26853@ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 23:45:52 GMT In article <1993Feb12.184356.26853@ncsu.edu> aeschwar@unity.ncsu.edu (Adam E. Schwartz) writes: Is there a shell that you consider to be better than tcsh? Yes, when all is said and done zsh is probably the better shell. Right now I'm using tcsh as my shell (not sure which version). I like it a LOT and would recommend it to anyone asking about shells. In interactive usage, it certainly is a big improvement over either of the standard shells. Still it suffers from its csh ancestry, so it is not recommended for scripting purposes. However, I can compare it to only csh, and though I'm most comfortable with tcsh I do know there also is a shell called zsh or zcsh or something like that. Thank god, it is zsh, not zcsh. All I know about zcsh is it's larger, I think, than tcsh, which is larger than csh. What advantages, if any, are there to zcsh? I scanned the readme file for zcsh, and it seemed to be pretty much the same as tcsh. Zsh is not larger than tcsh. As a matter if you reasonably compile the latest versions of either the binaries will both be exactly 204,800 bytes large. And - yes - zsh has too many useful features which tcsh lacks to list here, while at the same time emulating virtually everything which tcsh offers. The complete list is of course to be found in the man page, but zsh also comes with a very well written and concise tutorial on its new features for people who already are familiar with other shells. Are there any other notable shells available for the NeXT? Well, there is bash which is rather similar to zsh, but much larger, slower and somewhat less feature rich. There is also rc, which will only appeal to the minimalist. In the end, I suggest to every NeXT user, to go out and get the latest version zsh from cs.ucsd.edu via anon ftp. It automatically configures, builds and installs perfectly under NS 3.0 (and under NS 2.x too, last time I checked). Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NeXT going out of Hardware Message-ID: <1993Feb13.142636.4774@prim> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Feb11.152631.9895@ccsi.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 14:26:36 GMT In article <1993Feb11.152631.9895@ccsi.com> John@ccsi.com writes: >There is one thing I just do not understand. I think there is something >wrong with my calculator, I was wondering if some one could do the math >for me and tell me if it is my calculator. > >$140,000,000 in sales >--------------------- = $2,020.20 Avg. price > 69,300 unit sold > The problem is that NeXT didn't sell 69000 last year. This figure seems to have aquired a life of it's own. More likely is that that is the _total_ that NeXT have ever sold. If they were selling that well, NeXT would never have quit hardware. Last year, just prior to NeXT sacking most of their Munich sales force, I heard that everyone in the Munich office was very depressed about the lack of sales. There'd been an initial flurry of interest after the release of the Station, then nothing (at least in Europe). The shipping figures looked good because there were loads of NeXTStations piled up in dealers warehouses. The figure mentioned was less than 30000 worldwide for the previous twelve months. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: edundon@leland.Stanford.EDU (Elizabeth Anne Dundon) Subject: Re: How long will NeXTSTEP run on '040 NeXT's? Message-ID: <1993Feb14.075456.19965@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <anthonjw.729454457@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 93 07:54:56 GMT In article <anthonjw.729454457@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> anthonjw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason W. Anthony) writes: >Assuming NeXT is dropping the NeXTstation and cubes, (and may or may not >have an Intel-based machine), I'm wondering how long NeXTSTEP will >continue to work with our existing NeXT machines. Since the Intel NeXTSTEP >will now be the primary version, will they still release NeXTSTEPs that >work on my NeXTstation? And if so, for how long? > >(I guess that depends on exactly what the deal with Cannon is re hardware.) > >Any speculation is welcomed (since I guess that's all we have at this >point! :-) > >--- >Jason W. Anthony >anthonjw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (NeXTmail very welcome) I have been assured that present hardware will be supported through 3.X and quite possibly into 4.X. This safely takes us beyond the reasonable lifespan of our hardware.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NeXT hardware orphaned - how much should it cost? Message-ID: <1993Feb13.034621.10421@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Feb11.030422.3093@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 03:46:21 GMT In article <1993Feb11.030422.3093@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> spice@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes: > Now that NeXT hardware has been orphaned, prices on new and > used NeXT hardware should drop tremendously. Maybe not. When NeXT made the announcement, they said that they had already made enough hardware to fill orders through May 25th, and that the factory had been shut down for good. But big NeXT customers started calling immediately and placing large orders. So NeXT reopened the factory, and it was running yesterday and today. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mmoss@ic.sunysb.edu (Matthew D Moss) Subject: Here's how to keep hardware support... Message-ID: <C2FntH.L3M@max.physics.sunysb.edu> Keywords: joke, humor, funny!!! Sender: news@max.physics.sunysb.edu (News Administration) Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 10:00:52 GMT With the move by NeXT to only software, there has been some fear about loss of hardware support. There IS an easy solution. Take your Intel 486 machine, paint it black, and in those flourescent green, red, yellow colors, paint on the letters 'N', 'e', 'X', 'T', in a tilted square pattern. Sorry folx,.... I just had to..... -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Matthew David Moss | Blessed are the pure in heart, for they | | INTERNET: mmoss@ic.sunysb.edu | will see God. | | BITNET : mmoss@sbccmail | Matthew 5:8 |
From: P..John.Corallo@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (P. John Corallo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: XOX - NEW GAME ON PURDUE Message-ID: <118.2B7D85B4@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 11 Feb 93 23:15:00 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/236 - MacCircles, Genesee CO -- P. John Corallo - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: P..John.Corallo@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.workstation From: timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu (Tim Buck) Subject: NeXT software for sale: SoftPC, Frame, Improve, and more... Message-ID: <1993Feb14.151544.16774@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Sender: usenet@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 15:15:44 GMT I have several software packages for sale for a NeXT. All (except Diagram!) come with printed manuals. Buyer pays shipping. FrameMaker 3.0 (complete documentation) $400.00 SoftPC 2.0.5 175.00 Lotus Improv 1.0 150.00 Diagram! 1.1 (manual on disk) 75.00 MetroTools 1.1 60.00 And if you're interested in Who's Calling (Adamation), send me e-mail. Reply to timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu (phone 703/951-0655). -- Tim Buck rri!tim@vtserf.cc.vt.edu Recognition Research, Inc. timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu Blacksburg, VA 24060 ------------------- Standard disclaimers apply -------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov(L J "Jim" Kiraly) Subject: The problem with NeXT's announcement Message-ID: <1993Feb14.162141.18970@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA/LeRC Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 16:21:41 GMT The problem with all this is not that NeXT has decided to drop it's hardware line. The problem is that is that NeXT handled the announcement so poorly- and that it came so suddenly. It leaves us with a lot of really open questions that could have been addressed in the announcement. For example: It isn't clear that there will any meaningful upgrade paths for existing equipment or that NeXT has made any official commitment for any specific period of time to it's established customer base. There is no clearly defined '486 package or distributed options list that identify what you really will need in a '486 package to get NeXTSTEP performance- and what features you can trade-off. NeXT could have offered packaged '486 systems, and should have at least announced more specifics about the hardware requirements for NeXTSTEP 486- before cutting off hardware sales. Many corporate and government purchasers need to write detailed specifications to ensure cost-effective purchases, and it isn't clear to me what these specifications should be. Specific NeXTSTEP features to be included in the 486 distribution aren't clear at all, nor is the interaction between NeXTSTEP applications and other '486 software. Will all of the current kits (except the ND and music kit stuff) be included? Will the DSP stuff be supported? (I had just saved enough and was preparing to purchase a NSTC for home since I will have ISDN service in May). Will it still be possible to use the MusicKit stuff? Will NetInfo with all of the integrated support for NFS management, distributed rendering, domain management etc. be included? What about the current BSD unix compatibility? I presume that we will see NeXTSTEP ported along with Mach, or will we? What about all of the NeXT distributed application software that many of us use daily- like Mail, Digital Librarian, Digital Webster, Quotations....? All still included? More importantly, will BackSpace still be there? I was am a registered developer. Am I still? Before, it meant some hardware discounts and a very occasional correspondence from NeXT (obviously, I am not one of the big developers)- what does it mean to be a registered developer now? And finally, who do you call when you finally piece together your system with parts and cards added and conglomerated from a bunch of different vendors and something doesn't work? Everyone that you call will be sure to tell you that the problem is really with someone other vendor- not theirs. Will we have to purchase the famed NeXTEDGE six-pack to get answers? This would be a sure way to cut-off home and university users. Most software places provide free consulting with respect to getting their software working on your system. Will NeXT? I, as others have stated, really love my NeXT and love developing applications in NeXTSTEP While, I am really saddened by the demise of the hardware line, I can kind of buy in to the fact this is potentially good for NeXT and all the rest of us. However, I have a lot of unanswered questions that NeXT should have attempted to answer along with it's announcement. Businesses work with networked relations to their customers, other businesses, and their supporters. I think NeXT should have been a little more careful in dealing with their network of clientele and supporters in announcing it's YACID (yet another change in direction). I hope that a lot of this gets cleared up in the coming weeks. -- __________________________________________________________________ Jim Kiraly- jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov- NASA Lewis Research Center ----------------- NeXT Mail preferred ----------------------------
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT shells? Message-ID: <FISCHER.93Feb14172450@fibonacci.iesd.auc.dk> Date: 14 Feb 93 16:24:50 GMT References: <1993Feb12.184356.26853@ncsu.edu> Sender: news@iesd.auc.dk (UseNet News) Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University In-Reply-To: aeschwar@unity.ncsu.edu's message of Fri, 12 Feb 1993 18:43:56 GMT >>>>> "Adam" == Adam E. Schwartz (aeschwar@unity.ncsu.edu) Adam> Is there a shell that you consider to be better than tcsh? Better and Shell are words that, when put in the same sentence, easily lead you into a good deal of trouble. First, lets note that one should never, ever attempt any kinds of programming using (a variant of) csh. As Huy Harris so aptly put it: "The C shell is flakier than a snowstorm". For more info, read Tom Christiansen fine essay "Csh Programming Considered Harmful". For interactive use, the main contenders these days would be tcsh or some variant of the Korn Shell, i.e., zsh, ksh, or bash. Of these, zsh and bash are free, while ksh is sold by AT&T (or is it Novell these days?). Both zsh and bash follow the sh syntax, with benifits such as being able to pipe out of a for loop, both allow for aliases as well as shell functions (the latter is easier for defining complex commands), etc. etc. Likewise, both have really nice command line editors, complete with i-search for previous commands (i-search as in GNU Emacs), undo, etc. Personally, I use BASH and have done so for 4+ years. It's as nice shell, it works, and it has nice built-in help (i.e., "help if" will tell you the syntax for "if" in a direct script). BASH is available from prep.ai.mit.edu. /Lars -- Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things. -- Calvin
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Andrew Lowernstern Date: 14 Feb 1993 16:09:43 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1llqs7$4bi@steffi.demon.co.uk> Andrew, mail to andrew@uu5.psi.com bounced.
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Encouraging Thoughts and a little Deja Vu Message-ID: <9997@news.duke.edu> Date: 14 Feb 93 19:17:09 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu I've had a few days to mull a couple of thoughts about NeXT's recent decision to discontinue the hardware line of their business. What struck me as strange was that there was a little bit of deja vu to all of this and could possibly parallel the path of another company that Steve Jobs has financial resources invested. Many people may not realize that Pixar was started as both a hardware and software company by George Lucas, Steve Jobs and others to make killer computer graphic equipment. There was a big shakeout in the marketplace in the mid-1980's with a lot of software houses like Abel Image Research who went bust. Silicon Graphics emerged as the industry's hardware leader and Pixar dropped its hardware line. The folks at Pixar banked on charting their future on their crown jewel--RenderMan. Now, we see RenderMan used just about everywhere as a de facto standard for 3D modeling. Now, can't say how well the company is doing financially at present, but they made a smart decision to capitalize on what they do well. A lot of people were stinging at the time Pixar dropped their hardware, but the move was right at the time. Otherwise, we probably wouldn't even see Pixar around today given the death of other very good computer graphics shops like Cranston & Csuri. Peace (using my still-working NeXTcube and have no plans to sell it) -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail gleefully accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
From: mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (Marshall Gilula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BSMTP Date: 14 Feb 1993 13:39:12 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9302141628.AA01057@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us> apologies if this is the wrong group for the question, but does anyone know whether or not our NeXT supports BSMTP? [=Batched Simple Mail Transfer Protocol] private email gratefully accepted -73- --- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** Virtual Virtual Realities, German Shepherds, and Steinbergers.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: The problem with NeXT's announcement Message-ID: <1993Feb14.195211.27098@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Feb14.162141.18970@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 19:52:11 GMT In article <1993Feb14.162141.18970@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov writes: >The problem with all this is not that NeXT has decided to drop it's >hardware line. The problem is that is that NeXT handled the announcement >so poorly- and that it came so suddenly. It leaves us with a lot of >really open questions that could have been addressed in the announcement. I agree. >It isn't clear that there will any meaningful upgrade paths for existing >equipment or that NeXT has made any official commitment for any specific >period of time to it's established customer base. I believe NeXT is required to support the hardware for at least 5 years. Though, that requirement is only for hardware maintainence. >There is no clearly defined '486 package or distributed options list that >identify what you really will need in a '486 package to get NeXTSTEP >performance- and what features you can trade-off. NeXT could have offered >packaged '486 systems, and should have at least announced more specifics >about the hardware requirements for NeXTSTEP 486- before cutting off >hardware sales. Many corporate and government purchasers need to write >detailed specifications to ensure cost-effective purchases, and it isn't >clear to me what these specifications should be. I agree. It seems that some of the potential OEM partners would rather work with NeXT than compete with them. So, initially it appears there will be no NeXTStation/Intel. >Specific NeXTSTEP features to be included in the 486 distribution aren't >clear at all, nor is the interaction between NeXTSTEP applications and >other '486 software. Will all of the current kits (except the ND and >music kit stuff) be included? Will the DSP stuff be supported? (I had >just saved enough and was preparing to purchase a NSTC for home since I >will have ISDN service in May). Will it still be possible to use the >MusicKit stuff? I know there was some discussion about the Ariel 56K board for the PC. It should be possible to migrate the MusicKit to it. Though, I would imagine that other platforms are much higher on the list than the Music Kit. I would say you are safe on the Appkit/IndexingKit/DBKit/SoundKit and probably 3DKit. Did I leave any out? >Will NetInfo with all of the integrated support for NFS management, >distributed rendering, domain management etc. be included? What about >the current BSD unix compatibility? I presume that we will see NeXTSTEP >ported along with Mach, or will we? I guess I don't understand the question. The whole package aside form bundling concerns, should be the same. NeXT ported the whole OS an support stack. >What about all of the NeXT distributed application software that many of >us use daily- like Mail, Digital Librarian, Digital Webster, >Quotations....? All still included? More importantly, will BackSpace >still be there? The last plan I saw, said that all the standard stuff would be there. It wouldn't suprise me to se some of it unbundled but available in the future. Backspace is an Exmaple. It can be ported by anyone. >And finally, who do you call when you finally piece together your system >with parts and cards added and conglomerated from a bunch of different >vendors and something doesn't work? Everyone that you call will be sure >to tell you that the problem is really with someone other vendor- not >theirs. Will we have to purchase the famed NeXTEDGE six-pack to get >answers? This would be a sure way to cut-off home and university users. >Most software places provide free consulting with respect to getting their >software working on your system. Will NeXT? Thats not so true anymore. Many of the PC folks now have 900 numbers that charge you by the minute. I think the amount of support required by NeXT is going to be much higher than in the past. But, it would seem that initially NeXT will say "These configurations work. Use others and you are on your own". With the almost infinite number of combinations of hardware, I think they will have to stick to their guns on supported configurations for a while. -- Joe Freeman jfreem@uncecs.edu The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer, future employer, anyone in my family or anyone else I know of.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: The problem with NeXT's announcement Message-ID: <1993Feb14.212825.1600@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <1993Feb14.162141.18970@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 21:28:25 GMT In article <1993Feb14.162141.18970@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov(L J "Jim" Kiraly) writes: > The problem with all this is not that NeXT has decided to drop it's > hardware line. The problem is that is that NeXT handled the announcement > so poorly- and that it came so suddenly. It leaves us with a lot of > really open questions that could have been addressed in the announcement. > For example: [stuff deleted] The major upset over here is the fact that they haven't announced software support for the old hardware yet. I would hate to be forced to buy other hardware to keep up with new releases... -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The Future of NeXT??????????????????????? Message-ID: <18483@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 15 Feb 93 02:06:47 GMT References: <1993Feb12.224441.11350@cs.ucf.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <1993Feb12.224441.11350@cs.ucf.edu> fdm@engr.ucf.edu (Frederic D. McKenzie (Rick)) writes: >With all the conflicting discussion concerning whether or not NeXT >drops its hardware, I have a few questions. >Assuming that NeXT does drop its hardware line (just ASSUMING!), No assumptions necessary. It's official. Although you probably know that by now. >a) what is going to happen to the value of the existing NeXT machines? Who's to say? They'll probably decrease in value like a hot potato. Then again, they've got potential collector's item value too (my mono NeXTstation's one that has SAMPLE on its CPU). >b) What kind of support will NeXT provide for existing NeXT users > (hardware and software)? Possibly third party support? Software will entail upgrading NeXTstep to 3.X at least. Third party support *should* continue, since compiling NeXT apps from one platform to another is supposedly so simple you rarely ever have to change a line of code. > >c) A friend of mine is thinking of purchasing a NeXT, Do you think > this is a good idea considering what may or may not happen? Depends. Does he (or she) care about the fact that their hardware is no longer being made? The hardware is good enough for most people's uses. Only power users who want lots and lots of speed are unhappy. It's pretty reliable hardware on the average (I've had mine since December of '90 and have had zero problems hardware wise). They can get better hardware that is probably going to be cheaper (unless NeXT redefines "firesale") if they wait a bit. >d) Has NeXT investigated the use of RISC technologies to overcome > the 33 MHz limitation? Who cares? NeXT isn't making hardware any more. >I'm not trying to alarm anyone. I'm just interested in the opinions >of NeXT users about how they think the company would handle such a >situation. >In my opinion, it will be a shame to lose the uniqueness of the >NeXT machine. Yeah. The NeXT hardware does have one unique quality that's better than anyone else: it's integrated so darn well to the user (e.g. power key, brightness, volume...). It would be a *real* shame if NeXTstep doesn't do very well. I think it will though. I hear Windows/NT is still far too buggy to be out any time soon, and I just saw OS/2 2.0 and it's not that great after you've seen NeXTstep. >Thanks for your input, >Rick >fdm@engr.ucf.edu ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Dont lose Your head To gain a minute You need your head Your brains are in it. - Burma Shave
From: hd@oz.rice.edu (Hubert Daugherty) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Encouraging Thoughts and a little Deja Vu Message-ID: <C2GzF9.n06@rice.edu> Date: 15 Feb 93 03:09:09 GMT References: <9997@news.duke.edu> Sender: news@rice.edu (News) Organization: Rice University dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu wrote: : ... they made a smart :decision to capitalize on what they do well. A lot of people were :stinging at the time Pixar dropped their hardware, but the move was :right at the time. Otherwise, we probably wouldn't even see Pixar :around today given the death of other very good computer graphics shops :like Cranston & Csuri. Here, Here Next tried to make great hardware. But the great bits and pieces never quite fell into place. The serial ports never have been able to do DMA like the hardware was SUPPOSED to do. So, we are stuck at 38.4k when the serial port chips can do upwards of a megabit per second. The throughput of the SCSI channel was not as good as other manufacturers (adaptec, for example) got with their designs. And Adaptec was on a PC platform to boot. The Next Dimension system never flew high or far. The video system without overlays or real time "hardware" compression was not very helpful to video people. The Demension system remains only a live video window gadget. The 32 bit ethernet works well. The DSP subsystem wasn't capable of doing very much, not even a modem. The biggest problem was that they were too PROUD to let others help. I have friends who BEGGED NeXT to let them help to debug system software. But NeXT wouldn't release the hardware info or device driver software to eager NeXT advocates. These offers fell on deaf ears. The bottom line remains. Next HAD wonderful THEORIES about how to design great hardware. They just did not find the great IMPLEMENTORS of their wonderful ideas. And the ones they did find thought they were to good to need help. Hubert Daugherty Rice University Electrical and Computer Engineering
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: ``NeXT required to support hardware for <n> years'' Message-ID: <1993Feb15.041553.29907@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <MS-C.729732620.377401575.mrc@shivafs.cac.washington.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 04:15:53 GMT In article <MS-C.729732620.377401575.mrc@shivafs.cac.washington.edu> Mark Crispin <mrc@shivafs.cac.washington.edu> writes: >Where, pray tell, does that particular piece of fantasy come from? What, do >you think the US government will arrest Steve Jobs and force him to repair >your 8/105 NeXTstation that broke four years after you bought it? I guess you know better than me. I thought that government purchases had a 5 year support requirement. I had heard that when I was with my previous to my previous employer. And again, when I was with my previous employer. Now the support I'm talking about is only hardware service. -- Joe Freeman jfreem@uncecs.edu The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer, future employer, anyone in my family or anyone else I know of.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: The problem with NeXT's announcement Message-ID: <zb!4+rk@rpi.edu> References: <1993Feb14.162141.18970@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 04:58:25 GMT jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov(L J "Jim" Kiraly) writes: > The problem with all this is not that NeXT has decided to drop it's > hardware line. The problem is that is that NeXT handled the announcement > so poorly- and that it came so suddenly. It leaves us with a lot of > really open questions that could have been addressed in the announcement. > For example: [several good examples given] The biggest problem with this announcement is a bit more basic. NeXT did not intend to announce it last week, but because story hit the press NeXT had to have some press release to acknowledge it. By all indications, NeXT did not intend to announce this for another week or two, and thus no one should be surprised that the hastily thrown together press release did not cover everything that a real announcement should have covered. I'd like to think that given a week or two here (such that we get to the time frame NeXT intended to announce everything), we will have all the details, including the examples Jim wrote up. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: 3View- What's with it? Message-ID: <C2H6D7.3Dz@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 05:39:05 GMT Has anyone else had problems with the 3View app crashing the whole system when trying to shade the elephant? Is there anything that I can do? How about some other program? -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca Unix Support Group (NeXT Mail Welcome) University of Manitoba Computer Services "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,gnu.gcc.help From: thangiah@plains.NoDak.edu (sam r. thangiah) Subject: M68000 Code to be generated using C on the NeXT Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Message-ID: <C2H6nz.I2w@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 05:45:35 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network I have a robot that has a m68000 board. I am trying to use the NeXT computer system to generate m68000 code. I have a m68000 assembler on the NeXT that can assemble and generate machine code that can be run on the robot. Here is my problem. I am in need of a C compiler that can generate m68000 code that can be assembled by the AVOCET assembler that I have. I have been tinkering around with GNU C but I am not getting anywhere. Any help on how I can accomplish this task, either by using GNU C or purchasing a commercial C compiler would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance, -Sam -- Sam R. Thangiah, North Dakota State University. 300 Minard Hall, Fargo UUCP: ...!plains!thangiah ND 58105 BITNET: thangiah@plains.bitnet Office: (701) 237-8199 INTERNET: thangiah@plains.NoDak.edu
From: Christopher.D.Audley@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Christopher D Audley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXT HARDWARE ORPHANED - HOW MUC Message-ID: <141.2B7EC878@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 12 Feb 93 21:56:00 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/236 - MacCircles, Genesee CO -- Christopher D Audley - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Christopher.D.Audley@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,gnu.gcc.help,comp.sys.m68k Message-ID: <0fTsX6600WB=MZSaEg@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 07:12:54 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: M68000 Code to be generated using C on the NeXT In-Reply-To: <C2H6nz.I2w@ns1.nodak.edu> Distribution: usa Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 15-Feb-93 M68000 Code to be generated.. by sam r. thangiah@plains.N > Here is my problem. I am in need of a C compiler that can generate m68000 > code that can be assembled by the AVOCET assembler that I have. I have > been tinkering around with GNU C but I am not getting anywhere. Any help > on how I can accomplish this task, either by using GNU C or purchasing a > commercial C compiler would be highly appreciated. Try "cc -S -m68000 <c-files>". This should output a set of .s files (assembly language) for each .c file input. I am not absolutely certain that the -m option will sucessful limit the assembly output to *strict* 68000 opcodes. You might have to look through and convert any newer opcodes into their older equivalents. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
From: tnnrtg@tnb.phys.tue.nl (Tonnie Geraets) Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: How do I make 600 dpi resolution pk files for TeX? Keywords: TeX, pk, Metafont, MakeTeXPK, pot-bellied pigs Message-ID: <tnnrtg.729781047@tnb.phys.tue.nl> Date: 15 Feb 93 12:57:27 GMT References: <1lf5d5INNd4@tamsun.tamu.edu> <tlm.729507892@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: root@tuegate.tue.nl Followup-To: comp.text.tex Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology - NL [Followup set to comp.text.tex] tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: [...] > I just *happened* >to notice the other day that an updated version of mode_defs has recently >been released, and I also happened to notice that the "releaser", Karl >Berry at U. Mass Boston mentioned that a mode_def for the HPIV was in the >new release. There is a mode_def for the HPIV included in the newest modes.mf. Karl somehow got hold of my mode_def, which wasn't really intended for widespread use, because I'm not sure if the results are good enough. I needed 600dpi fonts, for the HP, but there wasn't a mode_def for it yet, so I picked the hplaser mode_def, changed the resolution to 600dpi and gave it a try. The result is acceptable, but it might be much better with some different mode_def. I don't know, because I'm no font expert. The output is a little lighter then the output I was used to on a LN03R, but maybe that was to dark. Someone (who knows more about fonts) volunteered to look at the output generated with different values in the mode_def. So, if you do not need the 600dpi fonts urgently, wait for the definitive mode_def. Otherwise, go on and use the above mentioned mode_def, accept the maybe not perfect output and be prepared to regenerate the fonts with an improved mode_def. -Tonnie. -- Tonnie Geraets E-mail: tonnie@ctrl.phys.tue.nl Department of Physics Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Mam, wat vroeger God deed doet nu de computer, he?" - Robbie Bergmans (7) ("Mom, what God used to do, is now done by a computer, isn't it?")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) Subject: Re: X Windows Message-ID: <1993Feb12.151648.7748@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Sender: usenet@newsgate.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS References: <1le8at$4ku@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 15:16:48 GMT In article <1le8at$4ku@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) writes: > I would like to hear from anybody who is doing X windows development with > motif on a NeXT > > I'm thinking of getting my feet wet in this and would like to hear from peoples > experiences. > > Im thinking of using co-Xist 3.0 (Should I ?) Perhaps you should read the article in the March 1993 issue of Unix World. They compare Co-Xist, Exodus, and Cub'X for the NeXT. Their overall choice for developers was Co-Xist. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Tim Reed Motorola SPS PRISM CIM Systems Administrator 2100 E. Elliot Rd. email: reed@prism.sps.mot.com MD: EL606 Phone: 602-897-4703 Tempe, AZ. 85282 Fax: 602-897-3549
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) Subject: NXFax support for Supra fax modems. Message-ID: <C2HutL.3E8.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 14:27:18 GMT I remember hearing either by rumour or by e-mail from Black and White software that the NXFax software will soon support Supra fax modems as well as the currently supported Zyxel. Anyone verify this? thanks, anwar (A very satisfied NXFax user.) -- Anwar Mohammed <anwar+@cs.cmu.edu> Voice: +1 412 268 3043 Fax: +1 412 681 5739 ABD, ASAP PhD SCS CMU
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Lowest price for Zyxel Modem? Date: 15 Feb 1993 15:19:25 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1loc9tINNl0n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I need to get a Zyxel modem and NXFax. What are the lowest prices and from where for these two products? (either together or seperate). please email replies....enough bandwidth is already being used by the "Fate of NeXT" and "RIP" messages....thanx CW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: NXFax support for Supra fax modems. Message-ID: <tlm.729793231@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <C2HutL.3E8.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 16:20:31 GMT In <C2HutL.3E8.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >I remember hearing either by rumour or by e-mail from Black and White >software that the NXFax software will soon support Supra fax modems >as well as the currently supported Zyxel. Anyone verify this? >(A very satisfied NXFax user.) >-- It's in beta testing at this moment. TLM >Anwar Mohammed <anwar+@cs.cmu.edu> >Voice: +1 412 268 3043 Fax: +1 412 681 5739 >ABD, ASAP PhD SCS CMU
From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Best PC setup ??? (help) Message-ID: <1993Feb15.165511.6530@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: 15 Feb 93 16:55:11 GMT Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Hi there... I don't know a thing about PC systems, and I'd like to get some advice on what would be the *best* (not the cheapest) setup for running NeXTSTEP. I want it to be *fast fast fast*, so I just need to know what maufacturer to buy from, and what the components and configuration should be... Thanks very much! - darcy
From: smk5@ellis.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT hardware orphaned - how much should it cost? Message-ID: <1993Feb14.014938.25418@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: 14 Feb 93 01:49:38 GMT References: <1993Feb11.030422.3093@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> <1993Feb11.184432.24750@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Last night I sold the machine in question for just over $4500. Just so you know, thats what I was able to get. Steve -- Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School steve@faerie.chi.il.us -=NeXTmail always nice=- "All I did was kiss a girl." - Jake, the night before his hanging.
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Windows NT Flaws Date: 15 Feb 1993 17:33:58 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1lok66INN5j9@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Here's and article which was posted to comp.os.windows.advocacy It's a review of NT which pretty well describes all of NT's flaws. Eric Hermanson (this is a copy from an internet posting): Locus Review of NT ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is the week that Unix International gets to take its shot at Microsoft Windows NT thanks to the publication of a detailed study it's had done by Locus Computing Corp tellingly titled "NT versus Unix" (CI No 2,058). Taking potshots at NT is fast becoming an industry recreation despite it being a little unfair. NT makes such an easy target. This study, like others before it, finds it's the Microsoft brand not the software that's responsible for the momentum. In a nutshell, Locus says "NT breaks little new ground technically." In addition, International Data Corp has come up with some projections that indicate not everybody is buying the hype. Despite a 95.2% compound annual growth rate, it says NT as a client system won't pass desktop Unix any time soon. In 1996, despite the pundits tolling the bell in anticipation of Unix's imminent demise, Unix desktop shipments will be close to 2.4m units versus only 855,000 for NT. NT will get even slower acceptance as a server with annual shipments reaching only 95,000 units in 1996 versus more than 800,000 for Unix. Locus, meanwhile, has dissected the preliminary release of NT that Microsoft is circulating for a functional comparison with desktop Unix systems like Santa Cruz Operation, Interactive, Solaris, Destiny and UnixWare. It warns users interested in open systems to be wary of NT because of Microsoft's reluctance to implement standards or create something more than a limited proprietary system. NT ignores Posix 1003.2, Posix 1002.4, Posix.2, Posix.4, XPG3, System V Interface Definition 3, Federal Information Processing Standards and X Window conformance. NT is, however, compliant with Posix 1003.1 base functions but it gets there via a subsystem that does not integrate with the Windows environment, and Windows applications are not Posix-compliant. NT claims to be portable but ignores most of the key open systems portability standards. Microsoft also continues to press for acceptance of its proprietary local network, electronic mail and other technologies as standards despite the existence of de facto and de jure standards supported by desktop Unix systems, a position that must give users pause. Of course just to run the thing, users will have to be prepared to buy more hardware than is typical on a desktop. Configurations need 16Mb or more to achieve acceptable performance. Once up, users run the risk of losing data if there's a system incident because of the way NT's file system is built. And for all the hoopla about NT, one would think the thing would be multi-user but it's not. It supports only one user at a time. It can support multiple clients but only one actual user. Users hell-bent on transaction processing, the key downsizing element, had better look elsewhere. It's not available under NT. It may also be hard for an NT user to communicate. NT supports basic terminal requirements through add-on programs and combinations of hardware and software. Limited direct-connect support for widely available TCP/IP capabilities are also included. However, the TCP/IP in the developer's release supports only access from NT to other TCP/IP systems. Inbound TCP/IP sessions are not available and it offers only limited terminal emulation capabilities. File transfer functions, for instance, are not supported. A user also has to be prepared for only rudimentary back-up and restore features making NT a dicey choice for mission-critical and commercially sensitive environments. NT provides C2-level security only when the user selects the new NT File System option instead of the MS-DOS File System or OS/2's High Performance File System. There is likely to be a compatibility issue moving data from either of these systems to NT File System and with applications that object to being moved between secure and insure files. While Microsoft is committed to a future custom version of NT that's B2 secure, its plans for network security are not clear. Although it has announced an intention to provide Distributed Computing Environment conformance with the Windows Remote Procedure Call, it is not implementing all of the Distributed Environment's functionality, only the Call. It ignores the security, directory services and the time servoces that are also part of the Environment's Secure code. This means it will be difficult to implement servers or distributed applications with a high-level of security or be compatible with systems that do and there will only be very limited interoperability between NT and Distributed Computing Environment applications. Multinationals meanwhile are going to find NT a bit parochial. The study finds that NT may be only monolingual with appropriate help files installed for local languages. The application vendor can clearly provide a language version of the binaries if desired, but there appear to be no facilities for multi-lingual binaries. The numerous messages hard-coded into NT will be difficult to find and translate. If this issue is not addressed, NT may come to be viewed as an American English system. NT's greatest strength, on the other hand, is its compatibility with Windows. It's a strength, however, that comes at a price. Users looking to develop distributed client-server applications, beware. NT does not provide remote windowing or networking services. Distributed graphical applications will be far more difficult to develop and will not integrate with existing applications. The addition of networking capabilities will mean a significant level of additional complexity and will require a proprietary and probably expensive support package. On the graphical user interface side, a user's ability to manipulate system objects from the desktop is limited in NT as are drag-and-drop capabilities, a definite drawback. It does not generally support dragging-and-dropping files onto other applications nor can its drag-and-drop be tailored. Neither can file association be customized to the user. NT is not as easy to install as Windows. It requires the right adaptors and a CD-ROM. Network installation is particularly tricky and TCP/IP start-up is now something done from a MS-DOS session. The TCP/IP implementation is still poorly documented. It is not clear how much of the network administration will be done through the graphical user interface and how much through more primitive facilities. In general, when something doesn't work right from the graphical user interface, the error messages require significant technical skills. The preliminary version is clearly not for the naive user. It remains to be seen how much Microsoft improves it. Compounding the situation, NT's help facility is only minimally acceptable. There is no standard way of adding multimedia help. It offers no compaction format or help compiler to minimize system resource requirements. There is also no character-based interface for remote access, making it clumsy as a server. On the other hand, Microsoft has provided NT with a number of system admin tools. In the preliminary version, however, many of the options these tools provide are not fully automated. The administrator is required to update parameter files or use line-mode commands from an MS-DOS emulator session: what will change by NT's release date is unknown. Locus believes Microsoft has underestimated the importance of open networking in the market. The emphasis on LAN Manager as its primary networking facility ignores the state of networking in the real world. NetWare support is not provided through LAN Manager. Novell has said it will make NetWare available on NT. Users that require to link to NetWare will be forced to buy an add-on package to integrate NT with NetWare networks. Worst, perhaps, Microsoft has neither provided nor announced support for Network File System or any other native Unix distributed file system. Providing network file services to Unix servers will require that LAN Manager for Unix be installed on each Unix file server. LAN Manager is available as an expensive add-on package for some Unix systems that will enable NT systems to have distributed file services with Unix systems only at significantly greater cost. Add-on Network File Systems may materialize, but none have been announced. Without support, environments with large numbers of Unix systems already using Network File System will have to choose between changing all of these over to support the Distributed Computing Environment or being unable to integrate NT systems into these environments easily. Moreover, NT provides no native support for OSI, X25, SNA or DECNet. NT, as the study pointed out, is not a multi-user system, raising suspicions about Microsoft's motives. While it can be used to share files and resources like printers, clients must be systems based on Windows or Windows NT. Environments not currently using MS-DOS micros will have to replace existing terminals and systems with Windows-based desktops. With no native capability for remote administration and maintenance, it will be difficult to set up NT servers in locations without a skilled administrator. On applications, the study says the MS-DOS and Windows emulation scheme Microsoft uses leaves developers facing a complete conversion to take advantage of any of the new advanced features. Each subsystem provides its own interface and applications can't use more than one. For instance, it's either the Windows Application Programming Interface or Posix. Applications using a mix of interfaces must be rewritten to native NT - those relying on Dynamically Linked Libraries written for the 16-bit Windows interface will have to be converted to the Win32 API to be implemented. Posix-compliant programs can run provides its own interface and applications can't use more than one. For instance, it's either the Windows Application Programming Interface or Posix. Applications using a mix of interfaces must be rewritten to native NT - those relying on Dynamically Linked Libraries written for the 16-bit Windows interface will have to be converted to the Win32 API to be implemented. Posix-compliant programs can run only in the Posix subsystem. More complex applications using other standardized facilities or interfaces will not be supported. Many programs running on Unix systems will have to be converted and hundreds of X Window applications are unavailable to NT. Hindering the conversion effort are the tools Microsoft provides, good for only compile and debug. Graphical compile and edit facilities are not included. The MS-DOS shell is the only shell environment available. Outside of MS-DOS and Windows, Microsoft has shown no success in providing advanced system software. Its departure from OS/2 and limited market share for LAN Manager and SQL Server cast doubt on its ability to deliver a complex advanced operating system, market-ready for business-critical applications. -- Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz | Joe User lives here. +64 4 478 4714 | ------- Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhall@madeline.umhc.umn.edu (Jeff Hallgren) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP ONE book Message-ID: <C2I3oC.DF@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <1993Feb12.121433.707@prim> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 17:38:22 GMT In article <1993Feb12.121433.707@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > In article <C28sF7.50K@news2.cis.umn.edu> jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Jeff Hallgren) writes: > > Page 295. The code listed for method setup would be nice if it > >worked. Apparently the function NXHomeDirectory() is buggy. > >So, to make it work, make some changes. > > > > Could you clarify this? I've just replaced my calls to getenv("HOME") with > calls to NXHomeDirectory(). It's not as though it has to do a whole load... > > Dave Griffiths Sorry, I can't reproduce it anymore. Why did I spend time on a workaround? Was there ever a problem (other than operator error)? If there is someone having a "security/permissions" problem with NeXTSTEP Programming STEP ONE in chapter 11, please let me know. (perhaps in comp.sys.next.programmer) Jeff Jeff Hallgren Email: jhall@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu [NeXTMail is: welcome];
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: glee@ trirex.com (Gary Lee) Subject: Re: Sonata Mail Server Message-ID: <1993Feb15.150154.3719@Trirex.COM> Sender: root@Trirex.COM (Operator) Organization: Trirex Systems Inc. References: <MMELLING.93Feb15092029@buckeye.Trirex.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 15:01:54 GMT In article <MMELLING.93Feb15092029@buckeye.Trirex.com> mmelling@buckeye.Trirex.com (Michael Mellinger) writes: > > In article <1993Feb12.121708.2842@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> harit@kripalu.com writes: > > Has anyone else experienced problems accessing the mail server? I > get out of date indices and my requests for files come back saying > that I did not ask it to do anything so it is giving me the help > file. > > I have never been able to get the sonata mail server to work properly. > What's the trick? > > -Mike > -- > mmelling@trirex.com > NeXTmail or MIME welcome. I've been using the archive server on nova without too much trouble. First thing to do is to get a ls-lR listing. Here's the mail message I sent to get the ls-lR listing for the next archives. > From glee Mon Feb 8 11:52:24 1993 > Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 11:52:24 EST > From: glee (To: archive-server@nova.cc.purdue.edu) > To: archive-server@nova.cc.purdue.edu > Subject: send next/00ls-lR.txt > Reply-To: glee@trirex.com > Once you get the ls-lR listing, you can look up the file that you want and do another send request to get that file. Note the path for the send request is relative to the /pub directory. For some reason I've had better luck sending to archive-server@nova.cc.purdue.edu than to archive-server@sonata.cc.purdue.edu. Nova and Sonata should mirror eachother (heck, as far as I know, they might even be aliases for the same machine), so it really shouldn't make a difference either way. Hope this helps, Gary.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd Enders) Subject: Re: Encouraging Thoughts and a little Deja Vu Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Message-ID: <C2I64p.Eq0@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 18:31:36 GMT References: <C2GzF9.n06@rice.edu> Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Hubert Daugherty writes > The DSP subsystem wasn't capable of doing very much, not even a modem. > I don't think the DSP subsystem per se was at fault here. Many things are possible if you go to a set of ADC's/DAC's through the DSP port. The real problem is (using the modem as an example) that the external hardware required to implement the solution costs *more* than the modem it would replace. The music people who use(d) NeXTs have been doing a lot of interesting things with the DSP. Todd enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.nodak.edu uunet!bolshoi!enders
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: Encouraging Thoughts and a little Deja Vu Message-ID: <1993Feb15.184456.3316@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <C2GzF9.n06@rice.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 18:44:56 GMT In article <C2GzF9.n06@rice.edu> hd@oz.rice.edu (Hubert Daugherty) writes: > > The DSP subsystem wasn't capable of doing very much, not even a modem. Well, my DSP is running an answering machine/fax modem in software (well, a fax modem is a modem, sort of). -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: steved@bankone.com Subject: Re: NXFax support for Supra fax modems. Message-ID: <1993Feb15.193828.1087@bankone.com> Sender: steved@bankone.com (Steve Dieringer) Organization: Bank One, Columbus NA References: <tlm.729793231@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 19:38:28 GMT In article <tlm.729793231@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: > In <C2HutL.3E8.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: > > >I remember hearing either by rumour or by e-mail from Black and White > >software that the NXFax software will soon support Supra fax modems > >as well as the currently supported Zyxel. Anyone verify this? > >(A very satisfied NXFax user.) > >-- > > It's in beta testing at this moment. > TLM Is anyone supporting (or planning on supporting) the Practical Peripherals 14400FXSA? Thanks, Steve -- Steve Dieringer NeXTMail: steved@bankone.com (formerly steved@essex.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Me) Subject: Help: LoginHook and LogoutHook for users Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: University of Missouri Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 21:37:43 GMT Message-ID: <16B76DBC7.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> First off I would like to point out that I am doing my part in alleviating the abuse of crossposting that occurs on these groups by only posting on .misc. C'mon, people, hold it down! I am aware of the use of 'loginwindow Log{in,out}Hook ...' by root. Is it possible to have hooks in the preferences database for users other than root? Please email and I will post the customary summary . . . Thanks! Regards, David K. Drum uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu uc512052@mizzou1.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: NXFax support for Supra fax modems. Message-ID: <1993Feb16.003434.2225@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <tlm.729793231@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 00:34:34 GMT In article <tlm.729793231@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: >>In <C2HutL.3E8.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >> >>>I remember hearing either by rumour or by e-mail from Black and White >>>software that the NXFax software will soon support Supra fax modems >>>as well as the currently supported Zyxel. Anyone verify this? >>>(A very satisfied NXFax user.) >>>-- >> >>It's in beta testing at this moment. >>TLM >>>Anwar Mohammed <anwar+@cs.cmu.edu> >>>Voice: +1 412 268 3043 Fax: +1 412 681 5739 >>>ABD, ASAP PhD SCS CMU Are they gonna' support the voice capabilities of Zyxel and Supra ??? -- Ronald Pomeroy Quote of the year: "The NeXT has gone virtual" Advanced Micro Devices -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: Lowest price for Zyxel Modem? Message-ID: <1993Feb16.025537.17477@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1loc9tINNl0n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 02:55:37 GMT In article <1loc9tINNl0n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes: > > I need to get a Zyxel modem and NXFax. What are the lowest prices > and from where for these two products? (either together or > seperate). please email replies....enough bandwidth is already > being used by the "Fate of NeXT" and "RIP" messages....thanx > CW From the newsgroup clari.streetprice: gestalt> grep zyxel clari.streetprice.916 ZyXel 1486E ; 289;Sparco Computers ;(f) ZyXel U-1496E ; 339;Kandy Shack ;(k) ZyXel U-1496E ; 349;Boston Comp & Periph;(k) ZyXel U-1496E ; 399;Alpine Communication;(k) ZyXel 1486E+ ; 429;Sparco Computers ;(f) gestalt> Sparco Computers ; ? ; ;MS; ; ;601/323-5360 Kandy Shack ; ? ; ; ; ; ;800/638-1170 Boston Comp & Periph; ? ; ; ; ; ;617/551-0166 Alpine Communication; ? ; ; ; ; ;800/955-5000 -Avery
From: yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <C2Iv8x.n1G@acsu.buffalo.edu> Date: 16 Feb 93 03:34:09 GMT References: <1loc9tINNl0n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1993Feb16.025537.17477@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: UB The hottest debate now is what's going to do with your lovely NeXTwhatever. A computer is never obsolete _unless_ software company stops writing software for it. Period. Will NeXT stop writing newer NeXTSTEP for NeXT machines? I believe they will keep writing it in the near future but never forever. As a software company (like Microsoft) they must profit in order to survive. Any such company must put its resource to the largest possible installed base. Of course there will be enough NeXT machines for them to do so in the near future, but never too long. There will be no new models of NeXT, no replacement parts, no service/maintenance personnel a few months from now. Working NeXT computers will start diminish in numbers a few months from now. In the mean time, NeXT will start writing NeXTSTEP for other CPUs when they complete the porting to 80486. Macintosh is a very strong candidate for obvious reasons. Sparc CPU has an installed base too large to ignore. As a software company, Steve Jobs must learn from Bill Gates. Putting the working software to as many CPUs as possible. There is one big difference here, though. Microsoft hates UNIX due to its Windows NT plan. :-) Therefore, NeXT must not just put NeXTSTEP on Intel CPU. NeXT must port NEXTSTEP to other UNIX boxes in order to survive and live well. NeXT machines will be the Apple II in the early 1990s. Has anybody seen any new programs for apple II after 10 years?
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help, please, with anon ftp from cs.orst.edu Message-ID: <45081@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 16 Feb 93 04:35:45 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong ? Yesterday, I spent quite a bit of time trying to download binaries from cs.orst.edu. Although everything seemed to work, ok, when I tried uncompress on the files, I repeatedly got error messages to the console (bad checksum, memory overwrite out of the heap, and other bad things like that). Yes, I did remember to ask ftp to set binary first. All the text files came across ok... Is there something else I'm forgetting to do? Is uncompress not the proper un compression command to use with .Z files? Am I missing the boat entirely? I am running a NeXTStation turbo mono using 2.2. Any help would be appreciated. -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (I've gotten things from sonata before that worked fine, so I'm wondering if anything has changed of if cs.orst.edu is different?) .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) Subject: Re: The problem with NeXT's announcement Message-ID: <1993Feb16.054717.22358@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Residential Computing, Stanford University References: <1993Feb14.162141.18970@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> <1993Feb14.195211.27098@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 16 Feb 93 05:47:17 GMT In comp.sys.next.advocacy jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes: >I believe NeXT is required to support the hardware for at least >5 years. Though, that requirement is only for hardware maintainence. This means of course that they are free to port or not port NS4.0 to their old hardware, as they see fit. I would hope that they would choose to do so, but until I see an official announcement... Rollie -- Matt Rollefson ("Rollie") draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu Residential Computing, Stanford University NeXTmail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: NXFax support for Supra fax modems. Message-ID: <tlm.729842267@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <tlm.729793231@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <1993Feb16.003434.2225@dvorak.amd.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 05:57:47 GMT In <1993Feb16.003434.2225@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes: >In article <tlm.729793231@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) >writes: >>>In <C2HutL.3E8.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: >>> >>>>I remember hearing either by rumour or by e-mail from Black and White >>>>software that the NXFax software will soon support Supra fax modems >>>>as well as the currently supported Zyxel. Anyone verify this? >>>>(A very satisfied NXFax user.) >>>>-- >>> >>>It's in beta testing at this moment. >>>TLM >Are they gonna' support the voice capabilities of Zyxel and Supra ??? >-- I believe the e-mail for Black and White on this issue would be nxfax@bandw.com there may also be an info@bandw.com and is all else fails try craig@bandw.com (sorry Craig :) and someone will get back to you. Someone might want to post the answer here....I have DFax and am too busy trying to set up my *&^%$ SLIP connection to run this info down :) Tom >Ronald Pomeroy Quote of the year: "The NeXT has gone virtual" >Advanced Micro Devices -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I thought I was the only one who laughed uproariously at this :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uphra@terra.oscs.montana.edu (Recep Avci) Subject: Are we all conned? Message-ID: <1993Feb16.092028.12127@coe.montana.edu> Sender: usenet@coe.montana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Montana State University Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 09:20:28 GMT Are we all conned? It is remarkable that I see no discussion or no criticism regarding NeXT's move to stop producing hardware. I have invested more than $12,000 dollar for the Next computer hardware, and now they are going to sell the company and terminate people's jobs and become a software company? I suppose they have the right to do that, but then I ask where the hell is the business ethics? How are we going to trust whatever S.Jobs is going to do from now on? I still love my NeXT but everybody I know, who planning to buy a NeXT computer, are now planning to buy a 486 PC with all the bells and whistles? Did I make a mistake not doing that? What does it mean announcing proudly that the company was doing so well with 36% increase in its sales volume last year? Was it a gimmick? I suppose you, the NeXT users out there, keeping so silent because you are,like me, are in a state of shock in disbelief! Somebody please write something, what the hell is going on, and what the hell is going to happen to NeXT computers. People do not terminate peoples jobs if they intended to produce the next generations NeXTs? Are we all doomed and conned? Is Steve Job a con-artist? How can anybody trust anything he does anymore? Recep Avci
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Phone number for HSD? Message-ID: <1993Feb16.042354.934@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Feb16.002709.20996@netcom.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 04:23:54 GMT In article <1993Feb16.002709.20996@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes: > I want to order some stuff from HSD, but I've lost their phone number. > Does anyone out there have it? HSD can be contacted at 415-964-1400 or info@hsd.com. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Are we all conned? Date: 16 Feb 1993 11:25:44 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1lqivo$2ok@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Feb16.092028.12127@coe.montana.edu> In article <1993Feb16.092028.12127@coe.montana.edu> uphra@terra.oscs.montana.edu (Recep Avci) writes: >Are we all conned? > >It is remarkable that I see no discussion or no criticism >regarding NeXT's move to stop producing hardware. I have invested >more than $12,000 dollar for the Next computer hardware, and now they >are >going to sell the company and terminate people's jobs and become >a software company? I suppose they have the right to do that, but then I >ask >where the hell is the business ethics? How are we going to trust >whatever S.Jobs is going to do from now on? I still love >my NeXT but everybody I know, who planning to buy a NeXT computer, >are now planning to buy a 486 PC with all the bells and whistles? I am certainly disappointed. But, let's face it, NeXT has failed in the hardware market. We knew the risks of buying NeXT hardware, but we had no choice if wanted NeXTSTEP. I must say though, that the news was definitely harder on people who just wanted a better Mac to run shrink-wrapped software than on people who bought NeXT to write and use software to do jobs that need to be done. I do write and use NeXTSTEP apps for my work and I know that I haven't lost the most important part of my investment as long as NeXTSTEP continues to be viable. The way the story was broken was the worst, but I don't have any problem with the ethics part regarding the decision that NeXT has made to drop hardware. They could have gone on with the hardware a year or two more, but they must have realized the lack of resources to continue that route more than that, after which there is only one way down to Chapter 11 of the whole enterprise. So, you could say that it was more ethical to have chosen the route in which they saw greater chance of becoming a viable software company, keeping and pushing the part that most people cared. We don't know whether this will be a success, but there is nothing that is unethical about this decision. I have a NeXTcube myself. I am disappointed. But I have already picked up the pieces. I am not selling my cube. I am planning to go with NS/Intel, but I won't bother with the beta testing. We will buy NS/Intel capable PC for the lab soon, and that purchase won't be a risk -- I can put two boot disks, one with DOS and another with NS/Intel when it comes out. I suppose I can twiddle SCSI ID's and boot from either without much pain. I look at it this way. NeXTSTEP wouldn't have succeeded to this level if NeXT didn't have its own hardware. At least, it was the total package of hardware and software that convinced many that NeXTSTEP is real. If NeXT was a software only company from the start, they probably would have gone the route of Digital Research's CPM-86, and GeoWorks Ensemble. NeXT hardware, in restrospect, has been the booster rocket needed to launch NeXTSTEP -- the part that counts. Although the booster was somewhat underpowered, it did give the necessary momentum to continue on. I suppose the time came to detach the used up rocket. This is of course no consolation for people who lost jobs, but the real world is brutal, and it could have been worse. Now, I am just glad that NeXT didn't have Congress to contend with when deciding this. Born in the country of no natural resources, I know there should be at least $1/gallon gas tax, and charging less than that is criminal. Now speaking of unrelated matters, why can't the US adopt the metric system after all these years? It's pathetic. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: madon@di.epfl.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT's future... Message-ID: <5880@disuns2.epfl.ch> Date: 16 Feb 93 12:04:52 GMT Sender: news@disuns2.epfl.ch Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (Lausanne) People talk a lot about the NeXT orientation to software domain. It's true that, by doing a huge effort, NeXTSTEP will break through on other platforms (other than NeXT machines). But, I don`t think that this is the only reason for which NeXT will throw away his hardware facility. First, I think that leaving thousands of NeXT customers without technical support is a enormous mistake. They were the firsts to sustain NeXT by buying their machines. On the other hand, it's true that the NeXT machines are quite expensive. The distance between NeXT and their competitors is even greater in Europe. Here, it`s not the students who buy NeXT but rich people. And rich people find SUN less expensive than MexT. Canon is present in the extreme east and so can produce with minor costs nearly the same product. Why Canon Would'nt produce NeXT machines (and even more, design new workstations) selling them at lower prices. I don't think that a PC will one day become competitive with a NeXT. The PC has a low speed internal bus and an inapropriate DMA circuitry. The advantages of the NeXT are the high integration of VLSI circuits on the main board : 68040, 56001, graphic and ethernet circuits, DMA and disk controllers, high speed internal bus, ... To what NeXTSTEP 486 will looks like ? For this reason, I feel pain believing that someone could kill the NeXTstation. sic. Dominik Madon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- madon@di.epfl.ch madon@eig.unige.ch madon@iisnext1.unil.ch (NeXTmail welcome) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ``NeXT required to support hardware for <n> years'' Date: 16 Feb 1993 13:51:11 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <1lqrgf$atd@transfer.stratus.com> References: <MS-C.729732620.377401575.mrc@shivafs.cac.washington.edu> In article <MS-C.729732620.377401575.mrc@shivafs.cac.washington.edu> Mark Crispin <mrc@shivafs.cac.washington.edu> writes: > You can HOPE that NeXT will offer some continued support. But, if NeXT stands > to lose money out of it, NeXT would be foolish to do so. If support for NeXT > hardware interferes with the '486 NeXTSTEP business, NeXT has only one > rational choice to make. > Yes: the only rational choice is to do both. If they do not support their existing customers, folks aren't going to trust them in the future. And this could hurt their '486 business. Look at it this way. Company X has 50 NeXT stations but over the next few years is going to need 150. If they can't get more NeXT stations, what are their choices: buy '486s with NeXTSTEP or begin buying Suns or some other machines and abandon NeXT. If this company feels that NeXT is not supporting the machines they already have in place, what are the chances of them continuing to invest in anything from NeXT? -- Jim Mann Stratus Computer jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Are we all conned? Message-ID: <1993Feb16.143216.17163@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 16 Feb 93 14:32:16 GMT References: <1993Feb16.081324.7682@coe.montana.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. uphra@terra.oscs.montana.edu (Recep Avci) writes: : Are we all conned? : : It is remarkable that I see no discussion or no criticism : regarding NeXT's move to stop producing hardware. I have invested : more than $12,000 dollar for the Next computer hardware, and now they : are : going to sell the company and terminate people's jobs and become : a software company? I suppose they have the right to do that, but then I : ask : where the hell is the business ethics? How are we going to trust : whatever S.Jobs is going to do from now on? I still love : my NeXT but everybody I know, who planning to buy a NeXT computer, : are now planning to buy a 486 PC with all the bells and whistles? : Did I make a mistake not doing that? What does it mean announcing : proudly that the company was doing so well with 36% increase in its : sales volume last year? Was it a gimmick? I suppose you, the NeXT users : out there, keeping so silent because you are,like me, are in a state of : shock in disbelief! Somebody please write something, what the hell is : going on, and what the hell is going to happen to NeXT computers. People : do not terminate : peoples jobs if they intended to produce the next generations NeXTs? : Are we all doomed and conned? Is Steve Job a con-artist? How can anybody : trust anything he does anymore? : : Recep Avci Oh please. Steve's responsibility is to keep NeXT running. If he sees a switch to software as being the best or only possibility then he's going to do it. And, in fact, he did. What do you want, Steve to break the news to you over an expensive dinner? On bended knee? Why doesn't everyone just calm down until Canon says what they are going to do. After all, they just had quite a nice chunk of hardware development stuff, worth millions of their own money, dropped in their lap. If Canon was so worried about NeXT losing money, I can't imagine they would just throw away all of of NeXT's R&D and technology. Which they helped pay for. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Tecor Message-ID: <1993Feb16.170400.12179@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 17:04:00 GMT I've been trying to contact Tecor since last Thursday to have a disk drive repaired. After leaving many messages on voice mail, sending them faxes and e-mail, there has still been no response. Does anyone in the bay area know what's going on? Is this fall-out of last week's announcements or is Steve just not around? Any info appreciated. John Bartley john@wpa.com
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT in Transition Message-ID: <6819@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 16 Feb 93 18:21:25 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM NeXT has made the decision to become a software company in order to devote all of its resources to becoming a leader in object-oriented software for client/server computing. CONTENTS I. Overview: From Hardware to Software II. NeXT's Opportunity: To Lead the Object-Oriented Software Market III. Why NeXT Will Lead the Market IV. NeXTSTEP and Corporate Computing in the `90's V. NeXT in Transition I. OVERVIEW: FROM HARDWARE TO SOFTWARE Over the past two years, NeXT has been successful in selling its object-oriented NeXTSTEP systems to major corporations, government institutions and higher education. In 1992, sales increased 10% worldwide to reach $140 million. Commercial acceptance of NeXTSTEP, coupled with the commoditization of the hardware business, has convinced NeXT to choose being a first-tier software company leading the object-oriented computing revolution over being a second-tier supplier of hardware in a market increasingly differentiated merely by hardware price/performance. NeXT'S MISSION -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mission: to lead the object-oriented computing revolution. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXT's mission is to provide state-of-the-art, robust and reliable object-oriented software that allows users to rapidly develop and deploy client/server applications. NeXT's corporate goal is to be an industry leader in object-oriented computing on the broadest array of mainstream hardware platforms. NeXTSTEP is currently shipping in a limited release for Intel platforms and will be available in an unrestricted release in May. NeXT plans on making NeXTSTEP an industry standard available on a number of popular, high-performance architectures. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Product lines: object-oriented system software, development tools, reusable objects and groupware available on mainstream hardware. -------------------------------------------------------------------- As NeXT moves forward, the company will emphasize technologies where NeXT adds unique value. NeXT will invest in four product lines: 1. Object-oriented systems software 2. Software development tools such as programming languages and NeXT's database integration tool, Database Kit 3. ObjectWare Programmer-modifiable object building blocks providing a high level of pre-built functionality 4. Groupware applications such as electronic mail NeXTSTEP ENTERS THE MAINSTREAM For the past year, NeXT has been evolving toward a purely software-driven company, beginning in January, 1992, with the announcement of NeXT's plans to port NeXTSTEP to the Intel architecture. For the past eighteen months, NeXT's customers have advocated that NeXT become a software-only company. This course of action made increasing sense as a new generation of broadly available, inexpensive and appropriate hardware for NeXTSTEP began shipping in 1992. With the arrival of NeXTSTEP on Intel processors, NeXT has made the decision to cease designing and manufacturing its own NeXTstation hardware. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Customers want NeXTSTEP on industry-standard platforms. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This customer-driven decision was made for several reasons. First, NeXT's customers want the benefit of NeXTSTEP on industry-standard, user-customizable platforms available from multiple suppliers. To encourage the broadest possible acceptance of NeXTSTEP on the widest range of hardware, NeXT understood that it needed to level the playing field as a platform-neutral software supplier and give customers maximum choice and flexibility in the selection of hardware to run NeXTSTEP. Second, NeXT's customers want NeXTSTEP to proliferate broadly on corporate desktops and to capture significant market share. For the past year, NeXT has realized that the goal of broad market share for NeXTSTEP was at odds with the goal of winning acceptance for a proprietary hardware platform. In the past, to adopt NeXTSTEP required making a commitment to NeXT's own hardware as well as to NeXTSTEP itself. In the future, because of the widespread availability of Intel hardware, the NeXT-related costs of deploying NeXTSTEP widely will be significantly reduced, resulting in shortened technology adoption and procurement decisions. Third, today, many hardware vendors offer inexpensive and powerful platforms capable of running NeXTSTEP well and freeing NeXT to invest in those software technologies to which NeXT can add unique value. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Focusing on the mainstream expands the market for all NeXTSTEP developers. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, one of the most compelling reasons for focusing all of NeXT's energies on industry-standard platforms is to expand the size of the NeXTSTEP marketplace. Today, more than three hundred applications ship for NeXTSTEP, including products from WordPerfect, Oracle, Sybase, Adobe, Lotus, Insignia, Altsys, Pages, Lighthouse and Appsoft. NeXT's focus on expanding the market share for NeXTSTEP on standard hardware platforms should greatly increase the number of applications available for NeXTSTEP during the next year. II. NeXT'S OPPORTUNITY: TO LEAD THE OBJECT-ORIENTED SOFTWARE MARKET "Few in the industry dispute that NeXTSTEP accomplishes today what Taligent, Microsoft and others are aiming for by 1995." Open Information Systems, January 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's NeXTSTEP system software is years ahead of its potential rivals, such as Microsoft's Cairo and Apple and IBM's Taligent systems." -Business Week, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- A broad spectrum of industry analysts predicts that object-oriented systems software will be one of the most important enabling technologies of the 1990's. The market for desktop object-oriented systems software, in its infancy today, will be enormous. According to initial estimates from International Data Corporation (IDC), annual revenues from object-oriented system software will surpass $2 billion by 1996, exceeding revenues from traditional desktop operating systems. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Object-oriented desktop operating systems will eclipse traditional OS revenues by the mid-90's, creating a new, multi-billion dollar market. -------------------------------------------------------------------- III. WHY NeXT WILL LEAD THE MARKET With 50,000 users, NeXTSTEP has the largest installed base of object-oriented systems software in the industry. NeXT also enjoys a seven-year lead in developing object-oriented software, a lead that has allowed NeXTSTEP to mature as a complete and integrated architecture. NeXTSTEP will have already shipped its fourth release by the time that NeXT's only foreseeable competitors Microsoft's Cairo and Taligent's OS ship the initial release of their products in two to three years. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP will be in its fourth major release before Cairo or Taligent ship their first release. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP: A SEVEN-YEAR LEAD IN OBJECT-ORIENTED SOFTWARE "NeXTSTEP today delivers the kind of object-oriented environment that potential rivals such as Microsoft Corp.'s Cairo or Apple Computer, Inc. and IBM's Taligent systems cannot guarantee until mid-decade." Computerworld, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- "`NeXTSTEP is the only object-oriented environment out there,' said Nancy Battey, an analyst at IDC in Mountain View. `They have a huge lead.'" -San Jose Mercury News, September 20, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Only one vendor offers a complete object-oriented systems software solution today: NeXTSTEP from NeXT Computer, Inc. As the New York Times reported on January 6, 1993: "NeXTSTEP software is generally acknowledged to be substantially ahead of operating systems still under development by industry leaders like IBM, Apple and Microsoft... The development of NeXTSTEP began in 1986. NeXTSTEP, now in its third generation, is a well-integrated object-oriented solution and includes: * An operating system based on industry-standard UNIX, providing kernel-level system features optimized for object-orientation. * A complete programming environment for rapidly prototyping and developing commercial-grade applications built out of reusable objects, including applications which integrate server, mini- or mainframe-based relational databases. These development tools include programming languages, an applications kit comprising more than one hundred reusable objects, and tools for managing objects and creating user interfaces. * An advanced, easy-to-use graphical user interface common to all applications -- in-house and commercial. None of these features, individually, offers a complete, object-oriented system. Together, they offer a tightly integrated architecture designed at the lowest levels of the system to support object-oriented computing. -------------------------------------------------------------------- VARS gave NeXTSTEP "the highest score among all companies in all categories. In its three years on the market, NeXTSTEP has attracted developers with its labor saving abilities to build applications. By providing an easier way to build applications, the NeXTSTEP operating system has allowed VARs and developers to customize more applications, which has helped NeXT gain entry into commercial markets." -VARBUSINESS, September, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Those who have recognized the superiority of NeXT's object-oriented system software include: * Corporate Computing, which named NeXTSTEP for Intel processors one of the `best buys' for 1993 * The Software Publisher's Association, which gave NeXTSTEP the Fluegelman Award for innovative software * Computer Language magazine, which awarded NeXTSTEP its Productivity Award for interactive application development environments * The Italian computer industry's annual SMAU trade show which gave NeXTSTEP its industrial design award for 1992 * VARBUSINESS magazine which awarded NeXT its first place workstation award for 1992 based on the strengths of NeXTSTEP Given the opportunity that this market will provide over the next several years and NeXTSTEP's significant lead, NeXT has decided to focus all of its energies on developing and delivering the industry's most advanced object-oriented software for corporate desktops. Given the opportunity that this market will provide over the next several years and NeXTSTEP's significant lead, NeXT has decided to focus all of its energies on developing and delivering the industry's most advanced object-oriented software for corporate desktops. IV. NeXTSTEP AND CORPORATE COMPUTING IN THE `90's Desktop corporate computing will be driven by three trends in the 90's: 1. Client/server computing 2. Custom in-house applications 3. The movement to integrate information assets and unify the desktop with a single, consistent user interface -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP...is probably the most respected piece of software on the planet...The underlying reason for NeXT's success is objects...The level of applications you can create in the standard environment is much higher on NeXT than anywhere else." -------------------------------------------------------------------- CLIENT/SERVER COMPUTING The adoption of client/server computing is being fueled in part by downsizing, as organizations move database-intensive applications off of larger systems to corporate desktops and servers. Organizations relying on custom applications bring end users both substantially improved ease of use as well as expanded access to information. And these organizations are viewing this new kind of GUI-based database application as their competitive edge, particularly if custom applications can be developed and deployed more quickly. Like the movement toward object-oriented operating systems, the database-oriented client/server marketplace will expand dramatically over the next several years. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Client/server computing needs an object-oriented foundation. NeXT's distributed object technology provides that foundation. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The promise of database-intensive client/server computing cannot be realized unless that architecture is built on an object-oriented foundation. NeXTSTEP offers a solid foundation for building this new class of corporate custom applications: the easiest to use (and build) graphical user interface in the industry, a thorough object-oriented architecture, and a distributed object framework for client/server computing. NeXTSTEP'S CUSTOM SOFTWARE ADVANTAGE NeXTSTEP has demonstrated the order-of-magnitude advantage of truly object-oriented system software over conventional environments in developing shrinkwrap-quality custom applications quickly and reducing the development, maintenance and related lifecycle costs of those applications. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Developers positively love it... there is simply no better environment for building graphical applications...People who are now using the NeXT are nothing short of gaga over it, and their lust is justified." -Byte Magazine, Outlook `92 -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Users, developers, and integrators all reap the benefits of NeXTSTEP's object-oriented scheme. No one who works with a NeXT machine feels like a second-class citizen. In contrast, the immensely popular Windows environment does not extend its benefits to developers, at least not if those developers use Microsoft's own C/C++ tools (which run under DOS)." Byte, October, 1992 For developers, the benefits of NeXTSTEP's thorough object-orientation are: * Applications are developed five to ten times faster because objects encourage reusability of software components. * Applications built out of separate modules are easier to maintain. * Existing NeXTSTEP objects provide very high levels of functionality such as database access, text editing, printing, spell-checking, and faxing -- raising the quality of every NeXTSTEP application. * Distributed Object technology allows the objects comprising a single applications to reside on different machines over a network. ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Brilliant. The easiest Unix system on the market... almost the perfect interface. Consistent interface style across applications, a common underlying object-oriented OS, an astounding set of capabilities...The smooth feel of the interface is light years ahead of anything else available for a Unix user...a seamless computer experience-that shames other advanced systems." -SunWorld, March 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------ For users, the benefits include: * In highly competitive industries such as financial services and telecommunications where time-to-market is everything, applications are completed far more quickly. * Applications work alike and are easier to learn since they all use the same interface components. * Custom and third-party applications integrate easily, since all applications are composed of communicating objects. * Applications support richer kinds of information since object-oriented computing was designed to integrate multimedia information easily. `Programmers felt NeXTSTEP was the only viable choice,' says Vince Jordan, WilTel's director of software development... `What we're building here is a step above anything I've seen on the market... The benefits of object technology far outweighed procedural programming especially in the amount of time it takes to build and test the application,' Jordan says. `Others who have built similar systems told me I'm doing in two years what would otherwise take four to eight years,' he says. Infoworld, August 24, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP will enable a revolution in the software industry: a market for reusable software components. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Beyond its obvious benefits to corporate developers and users, the object-oriented revolution will also help the software industry by creating a new market for commercially reusable objects. "Nine months ago we predicted that an object marketplace would begin to appear," said Doug McLeod, an analyst at International Data Corporation (IDC). "NeXT's ObjectWare catalog is tangible evidence that this prediction is coming true with NeXTSTEP released in June 1992... Given that NeXTSTEP has been object-oriented from the beginning, it's not surprising that the trend toward component-based software is happening on NeXT first." INTEGRATING THE CORPORATE DESKTOP WITH NeXTSTEP Applications development is not the entire story behind the success of NeXTSTEP. Today's corporate customers not only need to develop custom software, they also need to integrate all of their information resources, custom and shrinkwrap alike, in a consistent user interface. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP: equally good for developing in-house custom applications and deploying shrinkwrap applications. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The most advanced corporations today are engaged in organization-wide integration, replacing the myriad of PCs, terminals and workstations serving different purposes with one desktop computer environment capable of integrating a wide range of information resources from back-end databases through custom applications and commercial `off the shelf' software. In so doing, they are unifying the desktop around one graphical user interface. NeXTSTEP provides an excellent, no-compromise foundation for desktop integration. Thanks to its object-oriented architecture all applications custom and shrinkwrap can be seamlessly and tightly integrated into one consistent, easy to use end-user environment. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "The combination of NeXTSTEP's interface features makes it, by far, the easiest Unix system to use. It reigns as the best example of Unix done right: It's aimed at ordinary users rather than traditional Unix users." -Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXT's customers want the best of both the old and new worlds: advanced NeXTSTEP applications development and functionality together with compatibility with the older world of DOS and Windows. Beyond DOS file system compatibility, NeXTSTEP will offer significant interoperability with Microsoft Windows applications. All NeXTSTEP applications can work side by side with DOS, Windows, 3270 and X/Motif applications running in NeXTSTEP windows. No other vendor - including Microsoft - offers a software platform that is as good for developing and deploying custom software and for integrating these with commercially available productivity tools. Of critical importance, enterprise-wide client/server computing requires a client that can be an outstanding platform for both shrinkwrap productivity applications and custom applications supporting the enterprise's unique business processes. This is why organizations as different as Chrysler Financial, Preferred Health Care, DARPA, Bozell Jacobs, UBS Securities, the Alberta Motor Vehicles Department and McCaw Cellular have all chosen NeXTSTEP as a cornerstone of their desktop integration strategy. NeXT believes that these trends the growth of the market for object-oriented systems software, the spread of custom applications for corporate client/server architectures, a growing corporate interest in desktop integration, and the availability of inexpensive workstation-class personal computers -- all support NeXT's decision to focus the company on the development of leading-edge and robust software for object-oriented computing. V. NeXT IN TRANSITION MANAGING THE TRANSITION TO A SOFTWARE-ONLY COMPANY In its transition to a purely software company, NeXT emerges as a significantly more focused company, having a clear mission: to be one of the dominant suppliers of object-oriented software for client/server computing in the industry. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXT is restructuring its operations to devote more resources to all aspects of its software business. Because NeXT is no longer a hardware supplier, NeXT is eliminating its hardware-related operations. NeXT emerges from this transition a stronger company in every respect. -------------------------------------------------------------------- In order to apply 100% of its energies to this software mission, NeXT has significantly restructured its organization and operations. The primary goal has been to sharply focus the company on object-oriented systems software. For this reason, NeXT has expanded its software team while, at the same time, eliminating those functions such as hardware engineering and manufacturing not in keeping with its fundamental mission as a supplier of object-oriented systems software. The decision to eliminate hardware operations was a difficult one for NeXT to make, particularly in view of NeXT's history of award-winning hardware innovation. But however difficult, it was a necessary outcome of NeXT's fundamental decision to focus on software that will run on the most widely accepted mainstream hardware platforms in the industry. NeXT emerges from this transition not only a more focused company, but also a stronger business. NeXT as a software company has a leaner 200-person operation, a healthy cash balance, and a strong capital base. NeXT also has a pipeline of orders for NeXTSTEP and emerging alliances with hardware manufacturers which would have been difficult or impossible to develop if NeXT had remained a manufacturer of proprietary hardware. NeXTSTEP ON INTEL PROCESSORS NeXTSTEP for Intel processors will be delivered to customers beginning on May 25, 1993. This version of NeXTSTEP includes the same operating system, the same user interface and the same development tools as NeXTSTEP for the Motorola 68040 product family. Applications written for the Motorola architecture require little more than a simple recompilation. Most applications have been ported from Motorola to Intel architectures in less than one day. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP on Intel processors will be delivered to customers on May 25, 1993. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP-READY INTEL HARDWARE By focusing on the Intel architecture, NeXT is turning the commoditization of the PC industry to its own advantage. NeXTSTEP runs on a broad range of Intel 486 and Pentium hardware. IDC estimates that 26 million 486 computers will be sold in 1993. Many of these will be capable of running NeXTSTEP requiring little or no upgrade to do so. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Many suppliers are shipping Intel-based computers capable of running NeXTSTEP today. And key hardware suppliers will provide complete solutions, including factory-loaded NeXTSTEP. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Popular computer brands with configurations ready to run NeXTSTEP include: Compaq, Dell, Epson, Gateway, Lucky Goldstar and NEC. NeXTSTEP will also run on transportable and battery powered portables from such popular manufacturers as Altima, Compaq, NEC and Toshiba. (Please consult the NeXTSTEP Hardware Compatibility Guide for additional information on suppliers and configurations of NeXTSTEP-ready computers.) -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's NeXTSTEP system software is years ahead of its potential rivals, such as Microsoft's Cairo and Apple and IBM's Taligent systems." Business Week, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Product lines: object-oriented system software, development tools, reusable objects and groupware available on mainstream hardware. "NeXTSTEP...is probably the most respected piece of software on the planet...The underlying reason for NeXT's success is objects...The level of applications you can create in the standard environment is much higher on NeXT than anywhere else." Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Many view the NeXTSTEP operating system as the most advanced on the market today. Embodying a hot technology called object-oriented programming, it lets customers quickly write new programs and mold existing ones to new uses." Business Week, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP has long been the most approachable of the Unix operating systems available... Corporations looking for an extraordinarily powerful development system with an elegant interface, built-in multimedia and strong PostScript-based output control should give NeXTSTEP a serious look." PC Week, September 14, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "...NeXT offers what maybe the best development and operating environment, NeXTstep, in the desktop- computer business." PC Magazine, May 12, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "The combination of NeXTSTEP's interface features makes it, by far, the easiest Unix system to use. It reigns as the best example of Unix done right" It's aimed at ordinary users rather than traditional Unix users." Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXT offers what maybe the best development and operating environment, NeXTstep, in the desktop- computer business." PC Magazine, May 12, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP is the only object-oriented environment out there,' said Nancy Battey, an analyst at IDC in Mountain View. `They have a huge lead.'" San Jose Mercury News, September 20, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "We found the [NeXTSTEP] object-oriented development environment very easy to work with," explains Mike Adelson of Chrysler Financial. "We believe it will enable us to develop business applications faster." Information Week, October 5, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP made it much easier and faster for companies' in-house programmers to customize software to handle important parts of their businesses... O'Connor & Associates, a Chicago options and futures firm, claims its engineers can write a complex trading program in three months with NeXTSTEP vs. over two years on a Sun workstation." Fortune, January 20, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP's Interface Builder and its supporting utilities and Objective C compiler provide the easiest-to-use, most powerful programming environment we have seen to date< NeXTSTEP has always been a programmer's playground. Now it's even better." Infoworld, December 7, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP makes customizing a system easier than anything else I've seen... What might take days of procedural programming to accomplish elsewhere can be reduced to a few hours of tying existing objects together under NeXTSTEP." Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP on Intel processors will be delivered to customers on May 25, 1993. (C)1993 NeXT Computer, Inc. All rights reserved. NeXT, the NeXT logo, NeXTSTEP, and NeXTstation are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Intel is a registered trademark and Pentium is a trademark of Intel Corp. UNIX is a registered trademark of UNIX Systems Labs. Reply-To: Conrad_Geiger@next.com (Conrad Geiger) Distribution: world NeXT in Transition NeXT has made the decision to become a software company in order to devote all of its resources to becoming a leader in object-oriented software for client/server computing. CONTENTS I. Overview: From Hardware to Software II. NeXT's Opportunity: To Lead the Object-Oriented Software Market III. Why NeXT Will Lead the Market IV. NeXTSTEP and Corporate Computing in the `90's V. NeXT in Transition I. OVERVIEW: FROM HARDWARE TO SOFTWARE Over the past two years, NeXT has been successful in selling its object-oriented NeXTSTEP systems to major corporations, government institutions and higher education. In 1992, sales increased 10% worldwide to reach $140 million. Commercial acceptance of NeXTSTEP, coupled with the commoditization of the hardware business, has convinced NeXT to choose being a first-tier software company leading the object-oriented computing revolution over being a second-tier supplier of hardware in a market increasingly differentiated merely by hardware price/performance. NeXT'S MISSION -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mission: to lead the object-oriented computing revolution. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXT's mission is to provide state-of-the-art, robust and reliable object-oriented software that allows users to rapidly develop and deploy client/server applications. NeXT's corporate goal is to be an industry leader in object-oriented computing on the broadest array of mainstream hardware platforms. NeXTSTEP is currently shipping in a limited release for Intel platforms and will be available in an unrestricted release in May. NeXT plans on making NeXTSTEP an industry standard available on a number of popular, high-performance architectures. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Product lines: object-oriented system software, development tools, reusable objects and groupware available on mainstream hardware. -------------------------------------------------------------------- As NeXT moves forward, the company will emphasize technologies where NeXT adds unique value. NeXT will invest in four product lines: 1. Object-oriented systems software 2. Software development tools such as programming languages and NeXT's database integration tool, Database Kit 3. ObjectWare Programmer-modifiable object building blocks providing a high level of pre-built functionality 4. Groupware applications such as electronic mail NeXTSTEP ENTERS THE MAINSTREAM For the past year, NeXT has been evolving toward a purely software-driven company, beginning in January, 1992, with the announcement of NeXT's plans to port NeXTSTEP to the Intel architecture. For the past eighteen months, NeXT's customers have advocated that NeXT become a software-only company. This course of action made increasing sense as a new generation of broadly available, inexpensive and appropriate hardware for NeXTSTEP began shipping in 1992. With the arrival of NeXTSTEP on Intel processors, NeXT has made the decision to cease designing and manufacturing its own NeXTstation hardware. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Customers want NeXTSTEP on industry-standard platforms. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This customer-driven decision was made for several reasons. First, NeXT's customers want the benefit of NeXTSTEP on industry-standard, user-customizable platforms available from multiple suppliers. To encourage the broadest possible acceptance of NeXTSTEP on the widest range of hardware, NeXT understood that it needed to level the playing field as a platform-neutral software supplier and give customers maximum choice and flexibility in the selection of hardware to run NeXTSTEP. Second, NeXT's customers want NeXTSTEP to proliferate broadly on corporate desktops and to capture significant market share. For the past year, NeXT has realized that the goal of broad market share for NeXTSTEP was at odds with the goal of winning acceptance for a proprietary hardware platform. In the past, to adopt NeXTSTEP required making a commitment to NeXT's own hardware as well as to NeXTSTEP itself. In the future, because of the widespread availability of Intel hardware, the NeXT-related costs of deploying NeXTSTEP widely will be significantly reduced, resulting in shortened technology adoption and procurement decisions. Third, today, many hardware vendors offer inexpensive and powerful platforms capable of running NeXTSTEP well and freeing NeXT to invest in those software technologies to which NeXT can add unique value. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Focusing on the mainstream expands the market for all NeXTSTEP developers. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, one of the most compelling reasons for focusing all of NeXT's energies on industry-standard platforms is to expand the size of the NeXTSTEP marketplace. Today, more than three hundred applications ship for NeXTSTEP, including products from WordPerfect, Oracle, Sybase, Adobe, Lotus, Insignia, Altsys, Pages, Lighthouse and Appsoft. NeXT's focus on expanding the market share for NeXTSTEP on standard hardware platforms should greatly increase the number of applications available for NeXTSTEP during the next year. II. NeXT'S OPPORTUNITY: TO LEAD THE OBJECT-ORIENTED SOFTWARE MARKET "Few in the industry dispute that NeXTSTEP accomplishes today what Taligent, Microsoft and others are aiming for by 1995." Open Information Systems, January 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's NeXTSTEP system software is years ahead of its potential rivals, such as Microsoft's Cairo and Apple and IBM's Taligent systems." -Business Week, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- A broad spectrum of industry analysts predicts that object-oriented systems software will be one of the most important enabling technologies of the 1990's. The market for desktop object-oriented systems software, in its infancy today, will be enormous. According to initial estimates from International Data Corporation (IDC), annual revenues from object-oriented system software will surpass $2 billion by 1996, exceeding revenues from traditional desktop operating systems. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Object-oriented desktop operating systems will eclipse traditional OS revenues by the mid-90's, creating a new, multi-billion dollar market. -------------------------------------------------------------------- III. WHY NeXT WILL LEAD THE MARKET With 50,000 users, NeXTSTEP has the largest installed base of object-oriented systems software in the industry. NeXT also enjoys a seven-year lead in developing object-oriented software, a lead that has allowed NeXTSTEP to mature as a complete and integrated architecture. NeXTSTEP will have already shipped its fourth release by the time that NeXT's only foreseeable competitors Microsoft's Cairo and Taligent's OS ship the initial release of their products in two to three years. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP will be in its fourth major release before Cairo or Taligent ship their first release. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP: A SEVEN-YEAR LEAD IN OBJECT-ORIENTED SOFTWARE "NeXTSTEP today delivers the kind of object-oriented environment that potential rivals such as Microsoft Corp.'s Cairo or Apple Computer, Inc. and IBM's Taligent systems cannot guarantee until mid-decade." Computerworld, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- "`NeXTSTEP is the only object-oriented environment out there,' said Nancy Battey, an analyst at IDC in Mountain View. `They have a huge lead.'" -San Jose Mercury News, September 20, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Only one vendor offers a complete object-oriented systems software solution today: NeXTSTEP from NeXT Computer, Inc. As the New York Times reported on January 6, 1993: "NeXTSTEP software is generally acknowledged to be substantially ahead of operating systems still under development by industry leaders like IBM, Apple and Microsoft... The development of NeXTSTEP began in 1986. NeXTSTEP, now in its third generation, is a well-integrated object-oriented solution and includes: * An operating system based on industry-standard UNIX, providing kernel-level system features optimized for object-orientation. * A complete programming environment for rapidly prototyping and developing commercial-grade applications built out of reusable objects, including applications which integrate server, mini- or mainframe-based relational databases. These development tools include programming languages, an applications kit comprising more than one hundred reusable objects, and tools for managing objects and creating user interfaces. * An advanced, easy-to-use graphical user interface common to all applications -- in-house and commercial. None of these features, individually, offers a complete, object-oriented system. Together, they offer a tightly integrated architecture designed at the lowest levels of the system to support object-oriented computing. -------------------------------------------------------------------- VARS gave NeXTSTEP "the highest score among all companies in all categories. In its three years on the market, NeXTSTEP has attracted developers with its labor saving abilities to build applications. By providing an easier way to build applications, the NeXTSTEP operating system has allowed VARs and developers to customize more applications, which has helped NeXT gain entry into commercial markets." -VARBUSINESS, September, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Those who have recognized the superiority of NeXT's object-oriented system software include: * Corporate Computing, which named NeXTSTEP for Intel processors one of the `best buys' for 1993 * The Software Publisher's Association, which gave NeXTSTEP the Fluegelman Award for innovative software * Computer Language magazine, which awarded NeXTSTEP its Productivity Award for interactive application development environments * The Italian computer industry's annual SMAU trade show which gave NeXTSTEP its industrial design award for 1992 * VARBUSINESS magazine which awarded NeXT its first place workstation award for 1992 based on the strengths of NeXTSTEP Given the opportunity that this market will provide over the next several years and NeXTSTEP's significant lead, NeXT has decided to focus all of its energies on developing and delivering the industry's most advanced object-oriented software for corporate desktops. Given the opportunity that this market will provide over the next several years and NeXTSTEP's significant lead, NeXT has decided to focus all of its energies on developing and delivering the industry's most advanced object-oriented software for corporate desktops. IV. NeXTSTEP AND CORPORATE COMPUTING IN THE `90's Desktop corporate computing will be driven by three trends in the 90's: 1. Client/server computing 2. Custom in-house applications 3. The movement to integrate information assets and unify the desktop with a single, consistent user interface -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP...is probably the most respected piece of software on the planet...The underlying reason for NeXT's success is objects...The level of applications you can create in the standard environment is much higher on NeXT than anywhere else." -------------------------------------------------------------------- CLIENT/SERVER COMPUTING The adoption of client/server computing is being fueled in part by downsizing, as organizations move database-intensive applications off of larger systems to corporate desktops and servers. Organizations relying on custom applications bring end users both substantially improved ease of use as well as expanded access to information. And these organizations are viewing this new kind of GUI-based database application as their competitive edge, particularly if custom applications can be developed and deployed more quickly. Like the movement toward object-oriented operating systems, the database-oriented client/server marketplace will expand dramatically over the next several years. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Client/server computing needs an object-oriented foundation. NeXT's distributed object technology provides that foundation. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The promise of database-intensive client/server computing cannot be realized unless that architecture is built on an object-oriented foundation. NeXTSTEP offers a solid foundation for building this new class of corporate custom applications: the easiest to use (and build) graphical user interface in the industry, a thorough object-oriented architecture, and a distributed object framework for client/server computing. NeXTSTEP'S CUSTOM SOFTWARE ADVANTAGE NeXTSTEP has demonstrated the order-of-magnitude advantage of truly object-oriented system software over conventional environments in developing shrinkwrap-quality custom applications quickly and reducing the development, maintenance and related lifecycle costs of those applications. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Developers positively love it... there is simply no better environment for building graphical applications...People who are now using the NeXT are nothing short of gaga over it, and their lust is justified." -Byte Magazine, Outlook `92 -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Users, developers, and integrators all reap the benefits of NeXTSTEP's object-oriented scheme. No one who works with a NeXT machine feels like a second-class citizen. In contrast, the immensely popular Windows environment does not extend its benefits to developers, at least not if those developers use Microsoft's own C/C++ tools (which run under DOS)." Byte, October, 1992 For developers, the benefits of NeXTSTEP's thorough object-orientation are: * Applications are developed five to ten times faster because objects encourage reusability of software components. * Applications built out of separate modules are easier to maintain. * Existing NeXTSTEP objects provide very high levels of functionality such as database access, text editing, printing, spell-checking, and faxing -- raising the quality of every NeXTSTEP application. * Distributed Object technology allows the objects comprising a single applications to reside on different machines over a network. ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Brilliant. The easiest Unix system on the market... almost the perfect interface. Consistent interface style across applications, a common underlying object-oriented OS, an astounding set of capabilities...The smooth feel of the interface is light years ahead of anything else available for a Unix user...a seamless computer experience-that shames other advanced systems." -SunWorld, March 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------ For users, the benefits include: * In highly competitive industries such as financial services and telecommunications where time-to-market is everything, applications are completed far more quickly. * Applications work alike and are easier to learn since they all use the same interface components. * Custom and third-party applications integrate easily, since all applications are composed of communicating objects. * Applications support richer kinds of information since object-oriented computing was designed to integrate multimedia information easily. `Programmers felt NeXTSTEP was the only viable choice,' says Vince Jordan, WilTel's director of software development... `What we're building here is a step above anything I've seen on the market... The benefits of object technology far outweighed procedural programming especially in the amount of time it takes to build and test the application,' Jordan says. `Others who have built similar systems told me I'm doing in two years what would otherwise take four to eight years,' he says. Infoworld, August 24, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP will enable a revolution in the software industry: a market for reusable software components. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Beyond its obvious benefits to corporate developers and users, the object-oriented revolution will also help the software industry by creating a new market for commercially reusable objects. "Nine months ago we predicted that an object marketplace would begin to appear," said Doug McLeod, an analyst at International Data Corporation (IDC). "NeXT's ObjectWare catalog is tangible evidence that this prediction is coming true with NeXTSTEP released in June 1992... Given that NeXTSTEP has been object-oriented from the beginning, it's not surprising that the trend toward component-based software is happening on NeXT first." INTEGRATING THE CORPORATE DESKTOP WITH NeXTSTEP Applications development is not the entire story behind the success of NeXTSTEP. Today's corporate customers not only need to develop custom software, they also need to integrate all of their information resources, custom and shrinkwrap alike, in a consistent user interface. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP: equally good for developing in-house custom applications and deploying shrinkwrap applications. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The most advanced corporations today are engaged in organization-wide integration, replacing the myriad of PCs, terminals and workstations serving different purposes with one desktop computer environment capable of integrating a wide range of information resources from back-end databases through custom applications and commercial `off the shelf' software. In so doing, they are unifying the desktop around one graphical user interface. NeXTSTEP provides an excellent, no-compromise foundation for desktop integration. Thanks to its object-oriented architecture all applications custom and shrinkwrap can be seamlessly and tightly integrated into one consistent, easy to use end-user environment. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "The combination of NeXTSTEP's interface features makes it, by far, the easiest Unix system to use. It reigns as the best example of Unix done right: It's aimed at ordinary users rather than traditional Unix users." -Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXT's customers want the best of both the old and new worlds: advanced NeXTSTEP applications development and functionality together with compatibility with the older world of DOS and Windows. Beyond DOS file system compatibility, NeXTSTEP will offer significant interoperability with Microsoft Windows applications. All NeXTSTEP applications can work side by side with DOS, Windows, 3270 and X/Motif applications running in NeXTSTEP windows. No other vendor - including Microsoft - offers a software platform that is as good for developing and deploying custom software and for integrating these with commercially available productivity tools. Of critical importance, enterprise-wide client/server computing requires a client that can be an outstanding platform for both shrinkwrap productivity applications and custom applications supporting the enterprise's unique business processes. This is why organizations as different as Chrysler Financial, Preferred Health Care, DARPA, Bozell Jacobs, UBS Securities, the Alberta Motor Vehicles Department and McCaw Cellular have all chosen NeXTSTEP as a cornerstone of their desktop integration strategy. NeXT believes that these trends the growth of the market for object-oriented systems software, the spread of custom applications for corporate client/server architectures, a growing corporate interest in desktop integration, and the availability of inexpensive workstation-class personal computers -- all support NeXT's decision to focus the company on the development of leading-edge and robust software for object-oriented computing. V. NeXT IN TRANSITION MANAGING THE TRANSITION TO A SOFTWARE-ONLY COMPANY In its transition to a purely software company, NeXT emerges as a significantly more focused company, having a clear mission: to be one of the dominant suppliers of object-oriented software for client/server computing in the industry. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXT is restructuring its operations to devote more resources to all aspects of its software business. Because NeXT is no longer a hardware supplier, NeXT is eliminating its hardware-related operations. NeXT emerges from this transition a stronger company in every respect. -------------------------------------------------------------------- In order to apply 100% of its energies to this software mission, NeXT has significantly restructured its organization and operations. The primary goal has been to sharply focus the company on object-oriented systems software. For this reason, NeXT has expanded its software team while, at the same time, eliminating those functions such as hardware engineering and manufacturing not in keeping with its fundamental mission as a supplier of object-oriented systems software. The decision to eliminate hardware operations was a difficult one for NeXT to make, particularly in view of NeXT's history of award-winning hardware innovation. But however difficult, it was a necessary outcome of NeXT's fundamental decision to focus on software that will run on the most widely accepted mainstream hardware platforms in the industry. NeXT emerges from this transition not only a more focused company, but also a stronger business. NeXT as a software company has a leaner 200-person operation, a healthy cash balance, and a strong capital base. NeXT also has a pipeline of orders for NeXTSTEP and emerging alliances with hardware manufacturers which would have been difficult or impossible to develop if NeXT had remained a manufacturer of proprietary hardware. NeXTSTEP ON INTEL PROCESSORS NeXTSTEP for Intel processors will be delivered to customers beginning on May 25, 1993. This version of NeXTSTEP includes the same operating system, the same user interface and the same development tools as NeXTSTEP for the Motorola 68040 product family. Applications written for the Motorola architecture require little more than a simple recompilation. Most applications have been ported from Motorola to Intel architectures in less than one day. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP on Intel processors will be delivered to customers on May 25, 1993. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP-READY INTEL HARDWARE By focusing on the Intel architecture, NeXT is turning the commoditization of the PC industry to its own advantage. NeXTSTEP runs on a broad range of Intel 486 and Pentium hardware. IDC estimates that 26 million 486 computers will be sold in 1993. Many of these will be capable of running NeXTSTEP requiring little or no upgrade to do so. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Many suppliers are shipping Intel-based computers capable of running NeXTSTEP today. And key hardware suppliers will provide complete solutions, including factory-loaded NeXTSTEP. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Popular computer brands with configurations ready to run NeXTSTEP include: Compaq, Dell, Epson, Gateway, Lucky Goldstar and NEC. NeXTSTEP will also run on transportable and battery powered portables from such popular manufacturers as Altima, Compaq, NEC and Toshiba. (Please consult the NeXTSTEP Hardware Compatibility Guide for additional information on suppliers and configurations of NeXTSTEP-ready computers.) -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's NeXTSTEP system software is years ahead of its potential rivals, such as Microsoft's Cairo and Apple and IBM's Taligent systems." Business Week, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Product lines: object-oriented system software, development tools, reusable objects and groupware available on mainstream hardware. "NeXTSTEP...is probably the most respected piece of software on the planet...The underlying reason for NeXT's success is objects...The level of applications you can create in the standard environment is much higher on NeXT than anywhere else." Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Many view the NeXTSTEP operating system as the most advanced on the market today. Embodying a hot technology called object-oriented programming, it lets customers quickly write new programs and mold existing ones to new uses." Business Week, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP has long been the most approachable of the Unix operating systems available... Corporations looking for an extraordinarily powerful development system with an elegant interface, built-in multimedia and strong PostScript-based output control should give NeXTSTEP a serious look." PC Week, September 14, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "...NeXT offers what maybe the best development and operating environment, NeXTstep, in the desktop- computer business." PC Magazine, May 12, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "The combination of NeXTSTEP's interface features makes it, by far, the easiest Unix system to use. It reigns as the best example of Unix done right" It's aimed at ordinary users rather than traditional Unix users." Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXT offers what maybe the best development and operating environment, NeXTstep, in the desktop- computer business." PC Magazine, May 12, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP is the only object-oriented environment out there,' said Nancy Battey, an analyst at IDC in Mountain View. `They have a huge lead.'" San Jose Mercury News, September 20, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "We found the [NeXTSTEP] object-oriented development environment very easy to work with," explains Mike Adelson of Chrysler Financial. "We believe it will enable us to develop business applications faster." Information Week, October 5, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP made it much easier and faster for companies' in-house programmers to customize software to handle important parts of their businesses... O'Connor & Associates, a Chicago options and futures firm, claims its engineers can write a complex trading program in three months with NeXTSTEP vs. over two years on a Sun workstation." Fortune, January 20, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP's Interface Builder and its supporting utilities and Objective C compiler provide the easiest-to-use, most powerful programming environment we have seen to date< NeXTSTEP has always been a programmer's playground. Now it's even better." Infoworld, December 7, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP makes customizing a system easier than anything else I've seen... What might take days of procedural programming to accomplish elsewhere can be reduced to a few hours of tying existing objects together under NeXTSTEP." Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP on Intel processors will be delivered to customers on May 25, 1993. (C)1993 NeXT Computer, Inc. All rights reserved. NeXT, the NeXT logo, NeXTSTEP, and NeXTstation are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Intel is a registered trademark and Pentium is a trademark of Intel Corp. UNIX is a registered trademark of UNIX Systems Labs.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Re: Tecor Message-ID: <1993Feb16.175645.12546@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates References: <1993Feb16.170400.12179@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 17:56:45 GMT In article <1993Feb16.170400.12179@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > I've been trying to contact Tecor since last Thursday to have a disk drive > repaired. After leaving many messages on voice mail, sending them faxes and > e-mail, there has still been no response. Does anyone in the bay area know > what's going on? Is this fall-out of last week's announcements or is Steve > just not around? Any info appreciated. > > John Bartley > john@wpa.com Murphy's Law in action...I just tried again and finally got a human to answer the phone. Turns out they were out late last week and observed President's Day yesterday. (I didn't think anybody but government offices and schools did that, but I now I know better.) Anyway, mystery solved. John
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Are we all conned? Date: 16 Feb 1993 18:52:55 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <1lrd67$js2@transfer.stratus.com> References: <1993Feb16.143216.17163@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> In article <1993Feb16.143216.17163@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > > Oh please. Steve's responsibility is to keep NeXT running. If he sees > a switch to software as being the best or only possibility then he's > going to do it. And, in fact, he did. What do you want, Steve to break > the news to you over an expensive dinner? On bended knee? Why do some NeXT users not hold NeXT to the same standards as other companies are held to? If Microsoft suddenly announced that they were dropping product X (which a number of people had bought counting on continued support), there would be howls about the "evil empire" and about how awful Bill Gates is to leave users of XXXXX. Nobody would accept the response "Bill has to do what is best for Microsoft" (with the unspoken "and to hell with the current users"). [In fact, when MS decided to stop pushing OS/2, but head for Windows NT, there were such screams of "how dare they," even though there were very good reasons to do so--far better, in my opinion, than NeXT has had in any of its convulsions.] In fact, for "Microsoft" in the above, fill in the company of your choice: IBM, Lotus, DEC, WordPerfect, etc. If any of them acted the way NeXT did in this case (and in several previous cases), there'd be howls from many of the same people who say "that's OK" when NeXT does it. -- Jim Mann Stratus Computer jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: installing DOS on SoftPC Keywords: DOS, SoftPC Message-ID: <1993Feb15.164922.2556@pencom.com> Date: 15 Feb 93 16:49:22 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Distribution: usa Organization: Pencom Software People: I'm considering purchasing a used copy of SoftPC but the program I need to use it for (Quicken 6, for one) requires DOS 5.0 or later. If I purchase DOS 5.0 separately, how do I install it on SoftPC? Please e-mail me directly and thanks in advance. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 343-1111 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * ****************************
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SoftPC Professional and SoftPC with Windows Keywords: SoftPC Message-ID: <1993Feb15.165338.2656@pencom.com> Date: 15 Feb 93 16:53:38 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software People: I'm considering purchasing these products to use with several of the financial packages, such as Quicken, Andrew Tobias' Managing Your Money. Is the performance adequate? I would imaging the SoftPC Professional to be quite good, but what about the SoftPC with Windows? I've used SoftPC 2.1 and it's usable, although I would prefer it if it were a little "zippier." Please e-mail me directly and thanks in advance. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 343-1111 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * ****************************
From: ricardo@chuy (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 486 Hardare compatibility guide reposted to sonata Message-ID: <1993Feb15.214638.5758@pencom.com> Date: 15 Feb 93 21:46:38 GMT References: <Feb.10.16.49.13.1993.20976@andromeda.rutgers.edu> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software Sanjay B Shah writes: > alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz, University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand (Alastair Thomson) writes: > > >Sorry about the screwed up PostScript, the compatibility guide is now on > >sonata in compressed rtfd form in > >/pub/next/submissions/NS486.Compatibility.Guide.rtfd.compressed > > > I'm not sure how we're supposed to uncompress this > file. Is '.rtfd' a compression format (like '.zip') ? > And, what about the '.compressed' format -- I'm not sure > what this means either. > > Thanks for the help, > -- The Workspace Manager does it for you. Click on the file in the Workspace Manager and then select File->Uncompress. -- + Ricardo J. Parada Pencom Software
From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Crazy Mac files from floppy disk Date: 16 Feb 1993 19:20:25 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1lreppINN6ra@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Hi: I've been transfering files from the Mac to the NeXT via an HD floppy. When I view those files on the NeXT the lines all run together. However, if I transfer them using ftp they work just fine. Probelm comes up with Postscript files and C code from ThinkC and maybe others. Any ideas why that is? -- Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2313 wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: NeXT's future... Message-ID: <1993Feb16.192847.5198@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <5880@disuns2.epfl.ch> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 19:28:47 GMT In article <5880@disuns2.epfl.ch> madon@di.epfl.ch writes: > On the other hand, it's true that the NeXT machines are quite > expensive. The distance between NeXT and their competitors is > even greater in Europe. Here, it`s not the students who buy NeXT > but rich people. And rich people find SUN less expensive than MexT. Welllll, over here Sun is more expensive than NeXT. That is, if you compare alike products not lowest cost non functional diskless Sun with operational NeXT. I bought NeXT because it was the best and the cheapest around. -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: me@ienext.unl.edu (Dan Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Are we all conned? Date: 16 Feb 1993 19:36:41 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Message-ID: <1lrfo9INNok6@crcnis1.unl.edu> References: <1lrd67$js2@transfer.stratus.com> In article <1lrd67$js2@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes: (quote deleted) > Why do some NeXT users not hold NeXT to the same standards as > other companies are held to? If Microsoft suddenly announced > that they were dropping product X (which a number of people > had bought counting on continued support), there would be > howls about the "evil empire" and about how awful Bill Gates > is to leave users of XXXXX. I see one big difference between the two situations. If Microsoft dropped support, as you described, everyone would know that they could *afford* to provide the support if they wanted too. That is not clear with repect to NeXT. In fact there is a lot that is not clear about the NeXT situation. When I know more about what has happened, *why* it has happened, and most especially, what *will* happen, maybe then I'll get mad at NeXT (or maybe not). But in the mean time I'll just reserve judgement on it all---which is probably what a lot of other people are doing. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Scott me@ienext.unl.edu NeXT mail welcome ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: scion@netimage.com (Sam C. Nicholson !!) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,gnu.gcc.help,comp.sys.m68k Subject: Re: M68000 Code to be generated using C on the NeXT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 16 Feb 93 20:00:47 GMT Organization: Network Imaging Systems Corporation - Reston, VA. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <lo2hvfINNebt@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> References: <0fTsX6600WB=MZSaEg@andrew.cmu.edu> Keywords: gcc 68000 (only) driver Here is a short driver for the gcc which we use to produce code for our embedded 68000 product. It was written by Keith Moore at the U. of Tenn. Knoxville. ------------------------------------------- /* * This is a hack to allow one to run the GNU C Compiler (gcc) with * a reasonable set of arguments to allow it to produce code for * a mc68000 (not an -020) to be used in a standalone environment. */ #include <stdio.h> main (argc, argv, envp) char **argv, **envp; { int i, j; int vflag = 0; char *new_argv[500]; /* have room for lotsa args */ i = 0; new_argv[i++] = "gcc"; new_argv[i++] = "-nostdlib"; /* don't link in standard libraries */ new_argv[i++] = "-m68000"; /* generate code for MC68000 */ new_argv[i++] = "-msoft-float"; /* don't use FPA or FP chip */ new_argv[i++] = "-static"; /* don't use dynamic loading */ new_argv[i++] = "-nostdinc"; /* don't include standard .h files */ new_argv[i++] = "-I/usr/local/lib/cc68k-include"; /* do include our .h files */ new_argv[i++] = "-L/usr/local/lib/cc68k-lib"; /* where we put our libraries */ new_argv[i++] = "-Usun"; /* undefine "sun" macro */ new_argv[i++] = "-Uunix"; /* undefine "unix" macro */ /* * append the arguments we were supplied on our command line to the ones * we have defined above */ for (j = 1; j <= argc; ++j) { /* also copy NULL ptr at argv[argc] */ new_argv[i++] = argv[j]; if (j < argc && strcmp (argv[j], "-v") == 0) vflag = 1; } if (vflag) { putc (' ', stderr); for (i = 0; new_argv[i]; ++i) fprintf (stderr, "%s%c", new_argv[i], new_argv[i+1] ? ' ' : '\n'); } execve ("/usr/local/bin/gcc", new_argv, envp); perror ("/usr/local/bin/gcc"); exit (127); } ------------------------------------------------------- enjoy -sam scion@netimage.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: NeXT in Transition Message-ID: <1993Feb16.200807.24667@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <6819@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 20:08:07 GMT I hope the NeXT transition is more trimmed then this press release, which seems to suffer from "Groundhog Day" (the movie) syndrome!-) Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: NeXT hardware orphaned - how much should it cost? Message-ID: <1993Feb16.145954.4951@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <1993Feb11.030422.3093@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> <1993Feb11.153037.7141@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <1993Feb11.172853.9081@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1ledbhINN30a@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 14:59:54 GMT patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes: >But what is Canon going to do with the factory? >Is there still hope? In a word, no. This generation of machine will not continue. It's felt that Canon's first move will be to produce the Power PC RISC machine that NeXT apparently started work on last year after dumping the 88K project. -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are easier royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | to write and run faster, too." or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | ad for OS/2 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaefer@atla.gsfc.nasa.gov (Martha W. Schaefer) Subject: Help with installing libg++-2.3? Message-ID: <1993Feb16.200421.10038@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Keywords: g++,c++ Sender: schaefer@atla (Martha W. Schaefer) Organization: NASA/GSFC Laboratory for Terrestrial Physics Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 20:04:21 GMT Has anyone out there installed the GNU c++ libraries necessary to get c++ running onthe NeXT? I have been fighting with the installation for several days now and am getting frustrated. The configure script seems to work OK, and I can start the make all right if I link cc to gcc (to fool the makefile), but I am still getting error messages. The current ones have to do with some include files in g++-include: stddef.h, stdio.h, etc. The error message is "invalid preprocessor directive name", and occurs in code like this (from stddef.h): extern "C"{ #ifndef __stddef_h_recursive #include_next <stddef.h> <-------error #else #include_next <stddef.h> <-------error If anyone has any ideas on how to make this work, I'd love to hear them. TIA. Please mail - I can't read the news very well from home.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <C2KA8A.LB8@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1loc9tINNl0n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1993Feb16.025537.17477@leland.Stanford.EDU> <C2Iv8x.n1G@acsu.buffalo.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 21:55:22 GMT In article <C2Iv8x.n1G@acsu.buffalo.edu> yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko) writes: [ ] > >As a software company, Steve Jobs must learn from Bill Gates. Putting >the working software to as many CPUs as possible. There is one big difference >here, though. Microsoft hates UNIX due to its Windows NT plan. :-) >Therefore, NeXT must not just put NeXTSTEP on Intel CPU. NeXT must >port NEXTSTEP to other UNIX boxes in order to survive and live >well. NeXT can't compete with either Microsoft or IBM. It's far too late for that. They can be a small software house I supppose, like DRI or the GeoWorks people.IBM now includes OS/2 with its mid to higher end PC's and NEC will be bundling NT with their higher end clones, with a free upgrade to the released version. Microsoft will have an upgrade path for eveyone on the planet to NT. In short people may end up spending $200 for NT and under $100 for OS/2. Why on earth would they spend $1000 to follow someone who may decide to market fish next week? Steve Jobs may have good taste, but reliability certainly seems to be something that isn't high on his priority list. One would have to be a fool to place one's future in his hands at this point. Let's not forget. There is no longer a NeXT community. There is no educational presence. There is very little incentive to stay or even join the NS group. I wonder how those who spent years working on projects relying on the DSP feel. I also wonder how the CC's feel. It's absolutely too crazy to imagine that NeXT has done what they appear to have done. There must be more to this than meets the eye...In any case, if they have simply dropped everything but the OS and intend on living off of that then they've gone off the deep end. It will be interesting to see what the upgrade cost to 3.1 is. > >NeXT machines will be the Apple II in the early 1990s. > >Has anybody seen any new programs for apple II after 10 years? There have been lot's of very useful and interesting programs for the GS in the past few years. Things are rapidly thinning out as Apple puts out a Mac a month and 486's come with Corn Flakes' boxes, but the GS community exists and is far greater in numbers than the NeXT one. Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Only black NeXT Mail and GS mail read...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Are we all conned? Message-ID: <C2KB6G.LwG@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Feb16.143216.17163@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> <1lrd67$js2@transfer.stratus.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 22:15:51 GMT In article <1lrd67$js2@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes: >In article <1993Feb16.143216.17163@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> >tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: >> >> Oh please. Steve's responsibility is to keep NeXT running. If he >sees >> a switch to software as being the best or only possibility then >he's >> going to do it. And, in fact, he did. What do you want, Steve to >break >> the news to you over an expensive dinner? On bended knee? > >Why do some NeXT users not hold NeXT to the same standards as >other companies are held to? If Microsoft suddenly announced >that they were dropping product X (which a number of people >had bought counting on continued support), there would be >howls about the "evil empire" and about how awful Bill Gates >is to leave users of XXXXX. Nobody would accept the response >"Bill has to do what is best for Microsoft" (with the unspoken >"and to hell with the current users"). [In fact, when MS >decided to stop pushing OS/2, but head for Windows NT, there were >such screams of "how dare they," even though there were >very good reasons to do so--far better, in my opinion, than >NeXT has had in any of its convulsions.] There are many NeXT users who do consider what NeXT appears to have done to be totally repulsive. It's a bit early to totally analyse what appears to be such a crazy situation, but I very much doubt the viability of NeXT as any kind of company. The software may live on but not in the hands of a group that is all over the map. Funny, I can't get over thinking of Neuron when I think back of the OD, ND, Cube, etc... NeXT has destroyed a community, eliminated an educational forum, etc...They will never, in my opinion, ever regain any credibility in the community that I work in. It will be interesting to see all those happy NS PC users a year from now... Hopefully they won't have to try and configure sound, SCSI, networking, etc...by themselves. > >In fact, for "Microsoft" in the above, fill in the company of >your choice: IBM, Lotus, DEC, WordPerfect, etc. If any of them >acted the way NeXT did in this case (and in several previous >cases), there'd be howls from many of the same people who say >"that's OK" when NeXT does it. That is quite correct and it is why people won't go along with NeXT in conservative areas. They also won't go along with NeXT in more radical communities given the way NeXT has acted over the past couple of years and especially more recently. It would be interesting to hear what some of the (now ex) campus consultants have to say about the way they are being phased out. The whole situation is sick...far worse than the OD and ND situation as it involves the lives of so many people. What has to be the craziest situation of all is that NeXTWorld will still apparently take place. It's unbelievable or rather it's a sad circus. Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The problem with NeXT's announcement Message-ID: <18513@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 16 Feb 93 22:06:59 GMT References: <1993Feb14.162141.18970@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <1993Feb14.162141.18970@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov writes: >The problem with all this is not that NeXT has decided to drop it's >hardware line. The problem is that is that NeXT handled the announcement >so poorly- and that it came so suddenly. It leaves us with a lot of >really open questions that could have been addressed in the announcement. >For example: NeXT's hand was forced because a local newspaper broke the story. Blame that newspaper for the suddenness. >It isn't clear that there will any meaningful upgrade paths for existing >equipment or that NeXT has made any official commitment for any specific >period of time to it's established customer base. I believe several of the articles stated otherwise; software support for the NeXT hardware goes to NeXTstep 3.X (at least; I wouldn't be surprised if 4.X was supposed as well), maintenance support will be handled -- not sure if it's by Canon or not. >There is no clearly defined '486 package or distributed options list that >identify what you really will need in a '486 package to get NeXTSTEP >performance- and what features you can trade-off. NeXT could have offered >packaged '486 systems, and should have at least announced more specifics >about the hardware requirements for NeXTSTEP 486- before cutting off >hardware sales. Many corporate and government purchasers need to write >detailed specifications to ensure cost-effective purchases, and it isn't >clear to me what these specifications should be. There's a matrix available on nova that has the NeXTstep 486 hardware compatibility list. It's not complete, but it's hard to be complete when dealing wht the myriad options/problems of PC architeture. >Specific NeXTSTEP features to be included in the 486 distribution aren't >clear at all, nor is the interaction between NeXTSTEP applications and >other '486 software. Will all of the current kits (except the ND and >music kit stuff) be included? Will the DSP stuff be supported? (I had >just saved enough and was preparing to purchase a NSTC for home since I >will have ISDN service in May). Will it still be possible to use the >MusicKit stuff? Yes, all the kits are there. The DSP kit probably won't matter because there ain't no DSP. >Will NetInfo with all of the integrated support for NFS management, >distributed rendering, domain management etc. be included? What about >the current BSD unix compatibility? I presume that we will see NeXTSTEP >ported along with Mach, or will we? It's NeXTstep. That includes NetInfo, mach, all the management tools. >What about all of the NeXT distributed application software that many of >us use daily- like Mail, Digital Librarian, Digital Webster, >Quotations....? All still included? More importantly, will BackSpace >still be there? It's NeXTstep. That includes NetInfo, mach, all the management tools. To be honest, I can't say for sure whether Backspace is there or not but I think it will be. >I was am a registered developer. Am I still? Before, it meant some >hardware discounts and a very occasional correspondence from NeXT >(obviously, I am not one of the big developers)- what does it mean to be a >registered developer now? I'm not sure how to interpet you "was am." :-) Don't know, though. >And finally, who do you call when you finally piece together your system >with parts and cards added and conglomerated from a bunch of different >vendors and something doesn't work? Everyone that you call will be sure >to tell you that the problem is really with someone other vendor- not >theirs. Will we have to purchase the famed NeXTEDGE six-pack to get >answers? This would be a sure way to cut-off home and university users. >Most software places provide free consulting with respect to getting their >software working on your system. Will NeXT? Face the facts, here -- NeXT's hardware wasn't keeping up with the times and they are currently porting to Intel. Intel hardware is mixed up all over the place, there is no avoiding it. NeXT's compatility guide is a definite start in the right direction to help overcome that problem. >I, as others have stated, really love my NeXT and love developing >applications in NeXTSTEP While, I am really saddened by the demise of the >hardware line, I can kind of buy in to the fact this is potentially good >for NeXT and all the rest of us. However, I have a lot of unanswered >questions that NeXT should have attempted to answer along with it's >announcement. Businesses work with networked relations to their >customers, other businesses, and their supporters. I think NeXT should >have been a little more careful in dealing with their network of clientele >and supporters in announcing it's YACID (yet another change in direction). >I hope that a lot of this gets cleared up in the coming weeks. >Jim Kiraly ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Q: How many heterosexual males does it take to screw in a light bulb in San Francisco? A: Both of them.
From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Time for a new newsgroup ????? Message-ID: <1993Feb16.215630.931@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: 16 Feb 93 21:56:30 GMT Article-I.D.: sifon.1993Feb16.215630.931 Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada I think we should have a: comp.sys.nextstep.intel group made. (Which will hopefully be followed by other comp.sys.nextstep.* groups. WE're sure to be needing this anyway as the May 25 release date nears and passes! Someone care to do a call for discussion? - darcy
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: M68000 Code to be generated using C on the NeXT Date: 16 Feb 1993 22:55:10 GMT Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1lrrceINNcc4@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <0fTsX6600WB=MZSaEg@andrew.cmu.edu> <lo2hvfINNebt@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> Keywords: gcc 68000 (only) driver You may also want to specify "-mshort" to get GCC to treat int's as 16 bit words instead of 32 bit longs (but that really depends on what your code is expecting...). Also, it still doesn't address the question of whether or not the assembly code produced by GCC can be understood by your Avocet assembler. I've never seen this before, does it use MIT syntax, like the GNU assembler, or some Berkeley unix syntax, or Motorola syntax? You should be able to recompile GCC and get it to produce the correct assembly syntax for your assembler... -- -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA There's a rough border between genius and insanity, but I'm a dual citizen.
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Forcefeeding non-standard header to sendmail Message-ID: <18516@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 16 Feb 93 23:25:34 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Is there any way to forcefeed /usr/lib/sendmail a mail item that has a non-standard header, specifically a Next-Attachment one? What I'm doing now is creating the mail item's contents (NeXTmail's uuencoded tar.Z file of an RTF file and any attachments), and prepending some sendmail commands, then feeding that to /usr/lib/sendmail. For instance, the data file may look like this: ------------------------------ MAIL FROM: matthews RCPT TO: matthews DATA From: matthews To: matthews Subject: testing Next-Attachment: blablabla begin 666 .tar.123.subject.attach <uuencoded gobbldygook> end . QUIT ------------------------------- But when I get the mail, the Next-Attachment line is separated from the actual header by a blank line, making it not part of the header. Any way around this? Please reply by Email, I'll summarize. Thanks. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down
Newsgroups: alt.irc,comp.sys.next.misc From: khw2x@sonja.math.Virginia.EDU (Kevin H. Weiss) Subject: Need help compiling ircII2.2c on NeXT running 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Feb16.160831.23529@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 16:08:31 GMT The title says it all. I do get the following messages: cc: and: linker input file unused since linking not done (I get one of these ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^after each line) and vars.c: In function `init_variables': vars.c:286: `DEFAULT_HELP_SERVICE' undeclared (first use this function) vars.c:286: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once vars.c:286: for each function it appears in.) *** Exit 1 Stop. *** Exit 1 Stop. Thanks, kevin -- Kevin Weiss Department of Mathematics khw2x@sonja.math.Virginia.edu (NeXT mail) University of Virginia khw2x@virginia.edu (Non-NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: alt.irc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rankin@ms.uky.edu (David W. Rankin Jr.) Subject: Re: Need help compiling ircII2.2c on NeXT running 3.0 Message-ID: <C2KJ1E.BI5@ms.uky.edu> Followup-To: alt.irc Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <1993Feb16.160831.23529@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 01:05:37 GMT First, ircII2.2c bombs on NeXTs, but 2.2a is very much stable. Look for a copy of it someplace... In article <1993Feb16.160831.23529@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> khw2x@Virginia.EDU writes: >The title says it all. I do get the following messages: > cc: and: linker input file unused since linking not done > (I get one of these ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^after each line) Find the DEFINE statement for NeXTs and remove the "and" from it. This is the only problem I've found NeXT related in this package so far, except the machine itself. ;) >and > vars.c: In function `init_variables': > vars.c:286: `DEFAULT_HELP_SERVICE' undeclared (first use this function) > vars.c:286: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > vars.c:286: for each function it appears in.) Define DEFAULT_HELP_SERVICE. It's in config.h. > *** Exit 1 > Stop. > *** Exit 1 > Stop. -- David W. Rankin, Jr. Mac Archiver and Computer Science Co-op Email> rankin@ms.uky.edu rankin@ukma.{BITNET,UUCP} IRC Home Phone Number Opinions Worst Manuals Best Radios Packrat (606)257-4467 Mine IBM Shortwave
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cancel <18516@umd5.umd.edu> Message-ID: <18520@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 17 Feb 93 01:07:05 GMT References: <18516@umd5.umd.edu> Control: cancel <18516@umd5.umd.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM This message was cancelled from within rn.
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cleveland Ohio NeXT User Group.... Date: 17 Feb 1993 01:33:06 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1ls4kiINN4tn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Hi, my computer has 3.0 standard minus documentation and I have a 400 meg drive. I asked them to put 3.0 extended on it when they shipped it and they said no problem. Is there anyone local who has a cd-rom drive and the 3.0 cd.... CW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: @%$%!! printer jams paper!! Message-ID: <1993Feb17.012945.22627@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <C17q6x.3ww@hawk.cs.ukans.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 01:29:45 GMT Jerry Stubbs (stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu) wrote: : Our laser printer keeps jamming, and not on the saxophone. : We are using the same old paper, etc. It works about 30% : of the time, and then it jams some paper. Anybody else : have this problem? It is a few years old, maybe it needs : an overhaul. I know this printer uses the same cartridge : as the Apple IINT, is it the same mechanism inside? : Check the cute little rollers that pick up the paper for wear. Check the spring tension in the plate that lifts paper in the paper tray. (This is indicated if the paper jams when the tray is half empty.) Mechanically it's the canon engine. Your local Canon dealer should be able to fix it. Also, paper humidity has a LOT to do with how paper goes through machines. Print companies take great pains to keep a constant humidity and temperature inside their plants and paper storage rooms. If most of your jams are from multiple sheets, I suspect that your paper is too dry. If the problem is more common on cold clear winter days, this is indicated. Get a humidifier and keep humidity at 35 -50% : -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Looking for envelope printing program Message-ID: <1993Feb17.014454.23185@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <asd.729214329@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 01:44:54 GMT Doug McClure (asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu) wrote: : : I'm looking for a simple, easy to use envelope printing program for my : NeXT. Standalone, or service. Doesn't matter to me. Just something : fast and simple enough to print off a single envelope (whatever size). : Any PD ones? Any less than $100 ones? : : -doug The following perl script gives you command line envelope printing. And if the last item is recognizable as a zip code, it puts bar codes on the envelope. The current default is set for a business envelope. I hacked it to remove HP support, and to add manual feed for the printer driver. #!/usr/local/bin/perl # Envelope Label Addresser tool, Perl script. # Given an address, either from stdin or a file argument, # addresses a commercial envelope label, including generating postal # bar codes. # I couldn't put envelopes thru my printer without them being sealed!! # # You may want to adapt this to print your return address, as shown # in the commented-out example. (HP only) # You may have to adjust the X-Y coordinates if your envelopes are # non-standard (or you don't like where I put things!) # # In order for the barcode stuff to function properly, the last address # line must end in a zip code, either 5 digits or (zip+4 format) # 5 digits, a dash, and 4 digits. Well, ok, I don't check specifically # for that format, but am looking for the end of the last line, minus # white space, to consist of 5 to 10 dashes and/or digits. It is up # to you to provide the garbage-in in the right format for me to # generate the right garbage-out. # credits :- # todd@toolz.uucp (Todd Merriman) for barcode stuff # He credits :- the Winter '90 issue of the C Gazette # Dave Buck {aeras,amdahl,ames,daver,netcomsv,sun,zygot}!dlb!dave # for original Perl port to HP LaserJet # Andy Rabagliati (andyr@wizzy.com) - who hacked the above to PostScript, # and changed the checkdigit stuff, as I think there was a bug $font = "Times-Roman"; # font of choice # depending on the size of labels / letters, you need to move # the user origin to the bottom left corner of the area we are # working with. A rotate comes in handy too, sometimes. $xorigin = 225; $yorigin = 450; # x,y origin # Currently set for legal envelope, $rotate = -90; # rotate ? You might want +-90 $barcode_x = 290; $barcode_y = 10; # this is 100ths of an inch from origin open (out,"|/usr/ucb/lpr -Plp -M"); # Change this to how you like to get select(out); # to your printer -M is manual feed on Next # ------ END OF CONFIGURATION ----- print out "%! Hey, we talk PostScript\n"; print out "$xorigin $yorigin translate $rotate rotate\n"; print out "/$font findfont 16 scalefont setfont\n"; $y = 80; # start position while (<>) { # Get address from stdin or file arg. print out "10 $y moveto ($_) show\n"; $y -= 18; # next line down $zipline = $_; # save last address line for possible zip } $_ = $zipline; s/\s*$//; # scrub white space at end if (/[-0-9]{5,10}$/) { # Does this look like a zip, 5 or 5-4? $_ = $&; # get 5 to 9 digit zip, optional dash s/-//; # delete '-' for zip+4 codes # compute check digit: 10 - (mod 10 sum of all digits) $digits = $_; while(length($digits)) { $ckdigit += chop($digits); # sum all digits } $ckdigit = (100 - $ckdigit) % 10; # 10 - (mod 10 of sum) $_ = 'L' . $_ . $ckdigit . 'L'; # long line start and stop markers s/0/LLSSS/g; # postal bar codes for each digit s/1/SSSLL/g; s/2/SSLSL/g; s/3/SSLLS/g; s/4/SLSSL/g; s/5/SLSLS/g; s/6/SLLSS/g; s/7/LSSSL/g; s/8/LSSLS/g; s/9/LSLSS/g; # Now output the graphic commands for the postal bar code # scale to 1/100 ths of an inch # Bar width .015" to .025", we choose .02" print out "0.72 dup scale 2 setlinewidth\n"; # Short: .04" to .06", we choose .05" print out "/short { 0 5 rlineto stroke } def\n"; # Long: .115" to .135", we choose .12" print out "/long { 0 12 rlineto stroke } def\n"; # chopping here - which means from last to first. # so we move LEFT after each bar, having started right $x = $barcode_x; $y = $barcode_y; # move to bottom right of label while ($_) { # process each Short/Long line indicator $d = chop; ($d eq 'S') && print out "$x $y moveto short\n"; ($d eq 'L') && print out "$x $y moveto long\n"; # Go left .045 to .05", we choose .05" $x -= 5; } } print out "showpage\n"; -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kdbw@Comtech.com (Kevin D. Baranski-Walker) Subject: Re: Encouraging Thoughts About Dropping Hardware Message-ID: <1993Feb16.193945.23966@Comtech.com> Organization: Comtech Labs Inc, Palo Alto References: <9974@news.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 19:39:45 GMT In article <9974@news.duke.edu> dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu writes: >I've had a few days to mull a couple of thoughts ... >Many people may not realize that Pixar was started as both a hardware >and software company by George Lucas, Steve Jobs and others to make >killer computer graphic equipment. Mr. Jobs was not a founder in Pixar, he purchased [51%] around 1986[?]. The Pixar Image Computer was not a general purpose machine ala SGI, but rather a proprietary volumetric renderer, more or less. >There was a big shakeout in the >marketplace in the mid-1980's with a lot of software houses like >Abel Image Research who went bust. Silicon Graphics emerged as the >industry's hardware leader and Pixar dropped its hardware line. True that the shakeout resulted in the demise of the Pixar engine, but more likely Pixar failed to fully define a deep enough market niche which defitted thier technology. The attempted medical imaging, especially volumetric CAT/MRI/NMR types, but in mid-1980 dollars thier machines were apparently just too expensive. >The folks at Pixar banked on charting their future on their crown >jewel--RenderMan. Now, we see RenderMan used just about everywhere >as a de facto standard for 3D modeling. Now, can't say how well the >company is doing financially at present ... I'd like to know too ... >... but they made a smart >decision to capitalize on what they do well. A lot of people were >stinging at the time Pixar dropped their hardware, but the move >was right at the time. Otherwise, we probably wouldn't even see >Pixar around today given the death of other very good computer >graphics shops like Cranston & Csuri. I don't think there were *that* many machine built, maybe somewhere on the order of AT&T's PixelMachine. > >Peace (using my still-working NeXTcube and have no plans to sell it) > Aw, I'm sure you could be convinced :-) BTW: I'm sure everyone remebers that the Pixar was a Cube, right? Don't take it for Granite (sorry, it's my Monday). > >-- >| Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | >| Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | >| Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail gleefully accepted | >| Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> | -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kevin D. Baranski-Walker | "A Millisecond is a Terrible Thing to Waste"| | ComTech Labs, Inc. | Fax: (415) 813-4505 | | Palo Alto, Ca. | InterNet: kevin@Comtech.Com |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) Subject: PAGETS EAW Message-ID: <C2KG9z.6F@nosloc.com> Sender: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) Organization: Nosloc Software Technologies Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 00:05:58 GMT I just got my first version of PAGET's Electronic App Wrapper. For $24 for a subscription I would suggest that everyone with a CD-ROM drive get this CD. Kudos Paget. The CD is set up to be an actual environment that you maneuver through with the aid of a controlling application that comes on the CD. Just my $0.02 =derek -- Derek Collison <---> derek@nosloc.com Nosloc Software Technologies (NeXT Mail accepted)
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.sendmail Subject: So much for THAT one (forcefeeding sendmail) Message-ID: <18521@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 17 Feb 93 02:06:33 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Well, no more than two hours after I posted an article asking how to get the Next-Attachment NeXTmail header field to survive a sendmail feeding session, Christopher Davis <ckd@eff.org> gave me the answer -- just format the message and shove it into /usr/lib/sendmail -t. I've since cancelled the original article, who knows if it's really been cancelled or not. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ A transistor protected by a fast-acting fuse will protect the fuse by blowing first.
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Becoming a NeXT dealer.... Date: 17 Feb 1993 03:49:01 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1lscjdINNbkj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I'm interested in starting a small VAR...how do I go about doing so? CW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kramer@nx27.mik.uky.edu (mike d andrews) Subject: Printing to dot-matrix via OS/2 lpd - good idea? Message-ID: <kramer.729924785@mik.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 04:53:05 GMT Hello... How crazy of an idea is this: I'm about to get a used NeXTstation (no flak about it being obsolete soon, please :) without a laser printer. I've got a 386/40 running OS/2 2.0 that I'll be keeping, and have TCP/IP installed on it (for messing with a 386/25 that was running 386BSD; the NeXT will replace the 386/25). From what I understand (might be wrong), NeXTstep 3.0 has drivers for Epson printers and the like. The 386/40 has a Panasonic KX-P1124 printer on it, which is a 24-pin dot matrix... What I'd like to do is, rather than hook the Panasonic printer directly to the NeXT, try setting it up as a network printer on OS/2's TCP/IP (lpd) and having the NeXT spool stuff to the 386/40. Probably not too hard to set up, but my question is mostly "will this WORK"? Is this even a good idea? What I mostly want to know is if graphics that would normally print OK on the NeXT laser will print OK on the Panasonic (albeit tons slower and a bit messier)... I assume it will, if lpd maintains the 8th bit and if the NS 3.0 driver is decent. Sorry if this was in the FAQ, but I didn't remember seeing it there. Followups to email preferred, I'll post summaries if someone wants... (use any email address below) Flames to the same email addresses; if I'm asking dumb questions, tell me, not the world ;-) Thanks bunches. -- Mike Andrews - kramer@wittenberg.edu - root@fragile.uucp - kramer@mik.uky.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: ctm@ardi Subject: Re: Crazy Mac files from floppy disk Message-ID: <C2Ko4I.IJG@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI References: <1lreppINN6ra@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 02:55:33 GMT In article <1lreppINN6ra@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu writes: >Hi: >I've been transfering files from the Mac to the NeXT via an >HD floppy. When I view those files on the NeXT the lines >all run together. However, if I transfer them using ftp >they work just fine. Probelm comes up with Postscript files >and C code from ThinkC and maybe others. Any ideas why that is? The Mac uses a "carraige return" (ascii octal 15) to delimit the end of lines, UNIX boxes use "line feed" (ascii octal 12). FTP is being "nice" to you and doing the conversion for you. You can also do the conversion by hand, from Terminal (or Stuart): iclone% tr '\015' '\012' < Sound.h > Sound.h.nl In the above example we've asked the "tr" (translate) program to convert all octal "15"s to octal "12"s, reading from the file "Sound.h" and creating the new file "Sound.h.nl". Of course you can change the names of the file, but you can't use the same file name for the input and the output. If you really want to permanently change Sound.h, you can do this: iclone% mv Sound.h.nl Sound.h after you do the "tr", and that will replace Sound.h with the contents of Sound.h.nl. --Cliff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: gaudette@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Pascal Gaudette) Subject: Renting a NeXT in Boston? Message-ID: <1993Feb17.052249.3771@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> Sender: usenet@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 05:22:49 GMT I'm in Boston for a couple of weeks, and well, after sitting in front of a SPARC2 for a couple of hours, I've decided that it might be nice to rent a NeXT. Anyone know if this is possible? Contact? Prices? Please answer by e-mail, as I don't have USENET access in Boston, and net-lag makes it really difficult to read news remotely. Thanks, -- Pascal Gaudette
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) Subject: Phone number for HSD? Message-ID: <1993Feb16.002709.20996@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: ca Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 00:27:09 GMT I want to order some stuff from HSD, but I've lost their phone number. Does anyone out there have it? Thanks, Steve abell@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uphra@terra.oscs.montana.edu (Recep Avci) Subject: Why stop if it works? Message-ID: <1993Feb17.090448.9000@coe.montana.edu> Sender: usenet@coe.montana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Montana State University Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 09:04:48 GMT Why stop if it works? On several occasions NeXT announced how well they did last quarter. And now they are closing their factory and doing something else. Am I missing something here? Why stop something that works? I suppose because now that they made some money why not take the money and run. That is how it looks from this end. I have always looked NeXTHardware & NeXTStep as parts of a whole. A harmonious combination of two good ideas in one great product. Now they want to separate them. Why? Money and greed I suppose. It certainly looks attractive. Software is certainly a less challenging work. Why not let Japanese do the hard work as in many other areas. Let Americans take the easy way out and more lucrative way out, they smelled the money in the short run and they went for it. They sold out bunch of dedicated people like myself who understood the value of a great product the "NeXTComputer=a harmonious combination of hardware and software all in one". My only wish is the future software written for NeXTStep platforms will run on my NeXT computer! That is all. Recep Avci
Control: cancel <1993Feb16.200421.10038@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schaefer@atla.gsfc.nasa.gov (Martha W. Schaefer) Subject: cancel <1993Feb16.200421.10038@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1993Feb17.141240.690@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Usenet) Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA References: <1993Feb16.200421.10038@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:12:40 GMT
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Western Digital vs. SMC Ethernet cards Message-ID: <18524@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 17 Feb 93 13:57:29 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Can anyone confirm (or deny) that the SMC Ethercard Plus Elite 16 and the Western Digital WD8013 EBT cards are functionally identical? The reason I'm asking is because we're looking to stock up a 486 machine for use with NeXTstep for Intel, and NeXT's compatibility chart is still in its infant stages. The chart only lists the SMC Ethercard Plus Elite and an Intel EtherExpress 16. I've been told the WD card we have is a 16 bit EISA card. We also have a Cabletron fiber/ST connector card, which we may end up testing once we know we've got something that works. Please reply by Email and I'll summarize. Thanks. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ System/3! System/3! See how it runs! See how it runs! Its monitor loses so totally! It runs all its programs in RPG! It's made by our favorite monopoly! System/3!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Limiting color depth Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:35:31 GMT Message-ID: <1993Feb17.143531.4817@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> There is a default setting to prevent my purely Monochrome NeXTstation from using color window buffers..._ever_. I know. I saw it recently but didn't set it. Now I cannot find it in the FAQs or NeXTAnswers. Anybody remember it? --Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cswoyer@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Swoyer) Subject: Is the new SoftPC shipping yet? Sender: usenet@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Usenet Administrator) Message-ID: <C2LJ64.5Gx@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:05:58 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA I know a new version of SoftPC has been in the works for some time now, but is it actually *shipping* yet? (If so, is it a substantial
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dany@lim.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Daniele Rizzi) Subject: help with midi... Keywords: midi Sender: news-mail@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (News mail user) Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 16:10:43 GMT Message-ID: <1993Feb17.161043.5456@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> Hello all, I work on a 68040 Next computer running the latest 3.0 Release of NextStep. I would like to play a .midi file over the serial port, but when I use playmidifile or Presto, I receive on the Console the error messages: - (using port A) -> MIDIClaimUnit failed: can't init serial port. - (using port B) -> MIDI driver hardware framing error and, obviously, no message come to the Midi Expander; I remember the fair times ('030 machine with release 2.0) when everything worked well... I thank you in advance for any help you may provide. dany@lim.sm.dsi.unimi.it ps. the Next serial port is used to be connected with an Apple Midi interface.
From: michael@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Time for a new newsgroup ????? Message-ID: <1lt5h9$6a6@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: 17 Feb 93 10:54:33 GMT References: <1993Feb16.215630.931@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands In article <1993Feb16.215630.931@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > > I think we should have a: > > comp.sys.nextstep.intel We already have a comp.soft-sys.nextstep group. I think that if and when new groups are needed they should be called: comp.soft-sys.nextstep.intel, comp.soft-sys.nextstep.pa, etc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Kenny Leung) Subject: Looking for Workstation AG in Switzerland Message-ID: <1993Feb17.171420.25995@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 17:14:20 GMT Hi all. Gisela Bieoi in from Workstation AG in Switzerland called me, but I neglected to ask for her phone and e-mail. (Now, I only have a fax number that I can't fax to. Does anyone know the e-mail address for Workstation AG? Thanks in Advance. (Maybe it's too much to hope for that Gisela reads news.) -- ------------------------------------------------------- Kenny Leung NightShade Software kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: NeXT's future... Message-ID: <1993Feb17.163657.9816@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <5880@disuns2.epfl.ch> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 17 Feb 93 16:36:57 GMT In article <5880@disuns2.epfl.ch> madon@di.epfl.ch writes: >> >> >>People talk a lot about the NeXT orientation to software >>domain. It's true that, by doing a huge effort, NeXTSTEP will >>break through on other platforms (other than NeXT machines). >>But, I don`t think that this is the only reason for which NeXT >>will throw away his hardware facility. First, I think that >>leaving thousands of NeXT customers without technical support >>is a enormous mistake. They were the firsts to sustain NeXT by I have read *nowhere* that technical support will cease. Talk about "Shoot first ask question later..." >>Canon is present in the extreme east and so can produce with minor >>costs nearly the same product. Why Canon Would'nt produce NeXT >>machines (and even more, design new workstations) selling them at >>lower prices. They just may do it...who knows ?? Let's wait for some official word. >>I don't think that a PC will one day become competitive with a NeXT. >>The PC has a low speed internal bus and an inapropriate DMA circuitry. >>The advantages of the NeXT are the high integration of VLSI circuits >>on the main board : 68040, 56001, graphic and ethernet circuits, DMA >>and disk controllers, high speed internal bus, ... >>To what NeXTSTEP 486 will looks like ? Lennart Lovestrand seemed to have good things to say about a 66Mhz 486 running NeXTSTEP. I dearly love my NSTC, but hey...I'm frozen at 33Mhz (Moto's fault, not NeXT's) >>For this reason, I feel pain believing that someone could kill the >>NeXTstation. sic. Mine's alive ! It's just not going to have any offspring :-) We opted for adoption :-) Here's looking forward NeXTSTEP/HP !!!!!!!! Cumon' Steve, CORBA can't be THAT hard to conform to...can it ???? -- Ronald Pomeroy Quote of the year: "The NeXT has gone virtual" Advanced Micro Devices -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dean@thrall.com (Dean Johnson) Subject: NeXTSTEP articles (summary) Message-ID: <1993Feb17.174203.25549@nwnexus.WA.COM> Sender: news@nwnexus.WA.COM (USENET News System) Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 17:42:03 GMT OK, as promised here is the NeXTSTEP articles that appeared in Windows magazine (March 1993). These are only summaries; the articles are actually about other subjects (486 chip and GUIs) I am only going to reprint the NeXT parts. Enjoy! Reprinted without permission (of course). .. giving an edge to 486-specific software. Does such software exist? I'm afraid so. At Fall Comdex, I watched Steve Jobs demo NeXTSTEP-486, and I was stunned (along with the other couple hundred people in the audience). This is a 486-specific variant of NeXTSTEP 3.0, and extremely sophisticated, object-oreintated operating system running on top of CMU's Mach kernel. NeXTSTEP does a lot of little things that add up to a whole new level of system performance. One example is moving windows on screen- in Windows, when you drag a window around just a frame moves. In NeXTSTEP, the whole window moves - even if it contains a 24 bit image - and it moves as quickly and smoothly as you can move your mouse... Most of the article talks about NT and how slow it is. The NeXT article is a GUI comparsion between Apple,OS/2,NeXTSTEP, and X windows. Actually reading the article again; it's your basic the is what NeXT does. Programming is a breeze, Display Postscipt, not many apps (yet), Pantone color matching (they really liked that), and all the UNIX network stuff. Sorry for not really giving the second article, but it's the same old stuff, just more positive. Like I said - I'm just amazed that it can in a Windows magazine, but hey, they need to know that Windows is going to get bowled over by NeXTSTEP :) Dean -- NeXTmail Please | More computer stuff! | dean@thrall.com | - My wife |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net (Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: The changing of NeXT's vision. Message-ID: <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: UNC School of Law, CC for NeXT Computer, Inc. Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 19:20:29 GMT I just re-read the "NeXT In Transition" document, issued yesterday by Conrad Geiger at NeXT. What follows is a long discussion of what that document means to me, and to the vision that was NeXT. Documents such as this are undoubtedly carefully written, and it is not unreasonable to attribute significance to its every aspect. First Paragraph - "NeXT has made the decision to become a software company . . . to become a leader in object-oriented software for client/server computing". Third (real) Paragraph: NeXT's mission: "NeXT's mission is to provide state-of-the-art, robust and reliable object-oriented software that allows users to rapidly develop and deploy client/server applications". In each case, "client/server" is listed as being part of the "core" of NeXT's mission. What is the message here? Jobs isn't saying that Client/Server is one of the many things that NeXTSTEP happens to do very well, instead he's saying that Client/Server is what you want a NeXT for. Period. All of this makes me so sad, for it spells the end of NeXT's vision. From a financial standpoint, the new mission makes perfect sense. Corporations who are taking their big databases down from mainframes have big money. Those mainframes used to cost real big money, and big money can be spent and saved simultaneously in downsizing. NeXT does, in fact, provide a wonderful solution for large corporations in this circumstance. As a graduating law student who's thinking about putting his JD in his back pocket and entering the world of corporate consulting, I'm glad that I'm going to be able to offer NeXT as a solution to these lucrative clients. But still, something is missing. I remember the slogan that NeXT used to attach to its old-style packaging. It went something like this: "At NeXT, we believe a small group of people can change the world." That statement, to me, embodied what used to be NeXT's vision - an idea that their machine was not just a commodity, not just a tool, but something that could actually change people's lives - something that would change fundamentally the way people worked, the way people felt about information, and at a fundamental level, the way people thought. The 'old' NeXT vision contemplated embracing a huge variety of people. Students could hold their life's work on an optical disk (remember that?). Associates would find a new medium to communicate, even if just to keep in touch (the "Pizza!" mailbox entry in the September '90 station unveiling). Researchers could model the world. Ordinary people ("mere mortals") could reap the advantages of technology, bringing a world of information into their homes and offices. Such lofty goals. Were they real? I am sure of it, although the cynics may attribute NeXT's circumstances to the baser considerations of business and marketing. The cynic's view of NeXT is as follows: NeXT came into existence because Steve Jobs noticed an unfilled niche in the market. In 1986 the gap between the price and performance of "workstation" class machines and "PC's" was substantial. Like any good capitalist, Jobs saw a profit potential in this unfilled niche, and put his capital into exploiting this opportunity. When the niche became squeezed (by lower Workstation prices at the top, and higher PC power at the bottom), NeXT lost its uniqueness. Competition is tough. NeXT wants to realize a greater rate of return on its investment capital than is possible in a highly competitive market. They therefore restructure in such a way as to become a monopoly player in a smaller market - the "Client/Server+Mission Critical Custom Apps " corporate market. My view of NeXT differs quite a bit. In 1986, Steve Jobs had quite a bit of money. If he wanted to make more, he could have done so by conventional means of investing. He thought about what he had accomplished. The Apple ][, the Macintosh, the LaserWriter - all of these things had not only made him a lot of money, but they fundamentally changed the way that people thought about computers, about information. He realized that there was still another level to which this technology could be taken. And thus was NeXT born - not out of the desire to make money, but out of a vision to change people's lives yet again. Steve Jobs shared this vision with others. Several people took very substantial pay cuts to leave Apple and start NeXT with Jobs. Those people, and all of the early NeXT employees came on board not to make money, but to help forge the realization of this vision. That vision was obvious! It exuded from everything even associated with NeXT. It shone from their logo. It was evident in the care and painstaking attention to detail and style embodied in their hardware. It was in their stunning user interface, their advertising, their posters - It was everywhere. This was the vision that I wanted to be a part of. Until very recently, I would have given anything to work for NeXT - regardless of pay - regardless of location. Why? I wanted to be a part of their vision. I really believed in what they were doing and why they were doing it. I'll never forget the pride that I felt when I was selected as a NeXT Campus Consultant. Everyone wondered why I would turn down a part-time legal clerkship at double the Campus Consultant's salary to work for NeXT. It amazed me that anyone wouldn't know the answer. Unfortunately, that vision has become faded. Listen to what Jobs said in a recent Infoworld interview: "We have fantastic applications. But we're not saying 'Buy NeXTStep because it has a better presentation package.' We believe customers should look at NeXTStep initially because of their mission-critical apps problems. He's targeting NeXT only to this narrow corporate world. It's just a shame. What happened to changing the world? What happened to UNIX for mere mortals? Perhaps Jobs has gotten older. Perhaps the demands of his new family make it harder to chase after his dream in the way he truly wants. I have written this lengthy piece largely to figure out why I've been so sad lately. I suppose that it saddens me that I've been forced to become a little bit colder and cynical about the idea of 'vision'. I really believed in the vision that was NeXT, and now I feel betrayed - explicitly excluded from the small piece of the vision that remains. All of this may seem completely absurd to many. For most, it seems, a computer is only a tool - not much more interesting to the corporate consumer than the desk chair. Why become attached to it? Why really care? Don't you have better things to believe in? Why not buy the cheapest that will do the job? Given the fact that the computer has become a significant part of my life, and I spend hours each day working with it, I suppose that it really dehumanizes a substantial part of my life NOT to care. I care about this machine in the same way that I care about the cars in my driveway. Why not just buy whichever car which yields the cheapest operating cost per mile? It's because our conception of cars has become tied up with our own sense of self identity. This will one day happen with computers also. People will one day seek not the cheapest computer, but the best. I am thankful that, for a time, my own self identity was commingled with the sleek black cube on my desk, and the vision that was NeXT. Matthew M. Stecker UNC School of Law. -- matt stecker | This is my NeXT Computer NeXT Campus Consultant, | There are many like it, UNC School of Law | but this one is mine.
From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Wanted: Black hard disk case Date: 17 Feb 1993 20:04:24 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1lu5o9INNomb@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Hi: I'm looking for a NeXTBlack case for my 3.5" Fujitsu Hard disk (520MB M-2624F) It has to have a power supply, fan, SCSI id selector and led lights. If you know of any source for new or used cases please send me e-mail. Thank you. P.S. I already tried (with no satisfactory result): 1. PLI <-- don't sell them 2. Liberty Systems <-- don't sell them 3. The Cube Route <--- don't sell them 4. Park systems technology <-- out of stock waited 3 weeks for nothing. 5. NextConnection <--- Very expensive ($395) -- Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2313 wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) Subject: What Happens to the SuperDrive Message-ID: <1993Feb17.185800.1350@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Sender: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us Organization: Trilithon Software Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 18:58:00 GMT Assuming we obtain 486 boxes to run NeXTSTEP, what happens to those 2.88 MB diskettes? Can newer 486 boxes read them, or will Peripheral Land suddenly have to ramp up their production of external floppy drives? ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: isc10327@nusunix1.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <1993Feb17.201849.15114@nuscc.nus.sg> Sender: usenet@nuscc.nus.sg Organization: National University of Singapore References: <C2Iv8x.n1G@acsu.buffalo.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 20:18:49 GMT Yaosen Ko (yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: : [stuff deleted] : : NeXT machines will be the Apple II in the early 1990s. : : Has anybody seen any new programs for apple II after 10 years? Hello, saw your mail and thought I might correct something. The Apple II world is still kicking and alive after 15 years! (we started in 1977 and this is the 16th year) Before I continue, please know that this is NOT meant to be a bomb/flame or anything like that. Neither am I going to start a debate on Apple II vs NeXT. Rather, I'm just going to state some facts, so kindly allow me: There are still new programs being published and sold for the Apple II, even until today. Why just 2-3 days ago, a solid tetris clone called DuelTris was released by DreamWorld, Inc. for the Apple IIgs. DreamWorld also publishes DreamGrafix, a 3200-colour painting program for the IIgs (that's 3200-colours on-screen at once). Other interesting software which are noteworthy are: GS/OS System 6.0 --- by Apple Computers, Inc. released 1992 (surprise?) ProDOS 8 version 2.0 --- Apple Computers, 1992. Our very own Operating Systems and something to be proud of! Even Apple still writes program for the Apple II and Apple IIgs! ProDOS 8 runs on Apple II and IIgs machines; GS/OS runs on IIgs only. It's like the Mac System 7.0 except it doesn't have a MultiFinder. HyperCard IIgs --- Apple Computers 1991,92 (again!) A complete clone of the Mac's HyperCard v1.2.5. All commands are the same PLUS the HCGS offers support for colour! Something which is absent on the HC 1.2.5. Apple also offer a HyperMover for converting stacks from Mac to IIgs. GNO --- Procyon, Inc. 1992 A multitasking Unix-like shell for the IIgs. It's sophisticated enough to offer true pre-emptive multitasking even on a stock 2.8 mhz IIgs. The shell works just like a Unix shell. We're waiting for version 1.1 which will offer TCP/IP, SLIP, UUCP and a desktop interface to GS/OS. InWords --- WestCode 1991 Pointless v2.0 --- WestCode 1992 HardPressed --- WestCode 1993 InWords is an OCR program that works with IIgs scanners like Quickie and Thunderscan and Pointless is a CDev (contro panel device) which offers TrueType fonts to GS/OS and all IIgs programs! HardPressed is a Stacker-like program which compresses/decompresses hard disk files in the background. UniverseMaster --- Econ Technologies 1992 AutoArk --- Econ Technologies 1993 UniverseMaster is a complete disk management utility to backup/restore, analyze, repair, optimize, etc.... AutoArk is a competitor to HardPressed. GraphicWriter III v1.2 --- SevenHills 1993 Kangaroo --- SevenHills 1993 GraphicWriter III is a desktop publishing program. Kangaroo is a ..... well it's like Boomerang for the Mac. If you've seen Boomerang, you know what Kangaroo is. :) There's still more (I haven't mentioned hardware yet :), but I think you get the idea. Look at the release dates, they're all very recent software. And you can imagine what the Apple II world was doing in the mean time from 1987 (10 years after) to 1991 (14 years after). I have to admit that we may not have the latest in technology nor the most media coverage but I'm being honest in saying that we're still alive and well. Like Mark Twain's famous response to bogus reports of his demise, the Apple II's death is "greatly exaggerated". We're fine as a niche market catering to modest home users who simply love their Apple IIs. With a 2.8 mhz 65C816, 3200 on-screen colours out of 4096 and a 32-oscillator Ensoniq Digital Oscillator Chip (the same one used in the Ensoniq SQ synthesizers), the Apple IIgs isn't exactly the top of the line machine, but it isn't all that bad either. I hope you'll agree with me. - DOTW -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Subject: Re: Are we all conned? Message-ID: <1993Feb17.211158.132188@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo References: <1lrd67$js2@transfer.stratus.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 21:11:58 GMT In article <1lrd67$js2@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes: > In article <1993Feb16.143216.17163@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> > tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > > > > Oh please. Steve's responsibility is to keep NeXT running. If he > sees > > a switch to software as being the best or only possibility then > he's > > going to do it. And, in fact, he did. What do you want, Steve to > break > > the news to you over an expensive dinner? On bended knee? > > Why do some NeXT users not hold NeXT to the same standards as > other companies are held to? If Microsoft suddenly announced > that they were dropping product X (which a number of people > had bought counting on continued support), there would be > howls about the "evil empire" and about how awful Bill Gates > is to leave users of XXXXX. Nobody would accept the response > "Bill has to do what is best for Microsoft" (with the unspoken > "and to hell with the current users"). [In fact, when MS > decided to stop pushing OS/2, but head for Windows NT, there were > such screams of "how dare they," even though there were > very good reasons to do so--far better, in my opinion, than > NeXT has had in any of its convulsions.] > > In fact, for "Microsoft" in the above, fill in the company of > your choice: IBM, Lotus, DEC, WordPerfect, etc. If any of them > acted the way NeXT did in this case (and in several previous > cases), there'd be howls from many of the same people who say > "that's OK" when NeXT does it. > > -- > Jim Mann > Stratus Computer jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com This is probably becasue most of those companies don't have "Insanely Great" products that can better use the resources. I personally feel that while I liked NeXT's hardware I love NeXTSTEP and would rather have NS everywhere than just on their hardware. When Microsoft bailed on OS/2 it was for Windows which is not superior and not worth the sacrifice. The enlargement of Bill's pocketbook is not the same as making a struggeling company solvent. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: NeXT's future... Message-ID: <C2M3Lp.DLx@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <5880@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Feb17.163657.9816@dvorak.amd.com> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 21:27:25 GMT In article <1993Feb17.163657.9816@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: [ ] > >I have read *nowhere* that technical support will cease. Talk about "Shoot >first ask question later..." > That's not what matters. One would want to hear officially that NS4.0 will be supported on NeXT's, and not is an issue being considered. [ ] >NeXTSTEP. I dearly love my NSTC, but hey...I'm frozen at 33Mhz (Moto's fault, >not NeXT's) Mhz is everything. The PC is hardly a well integrated computer. There's absolutely nothing special about it, and one can only imagine the nightmares of integrating sound (most of which is pathetic), networking, DMA, etc... The NeXT was nicely placed between a micro and a workstation. Software prices were a bargain compared to most workstation ones. To now have it on PC's and higher end workstations means what? You aren't going to have one software package for every computer on earth. > [ ] > >Here's looking forward NeXTSTEP/HP !!!!!!!! Cumon' Steve, CORBA can't be THAT >hard to conform to...can it ???? Most of the NS community is not going to get into the rat race of changing computers every few months and paying the software costs of living in HP land. In fact, you just might find a very large segment of NeXT programmers gone, and a segment which produced neat stuff. There is no need for yet another workstation or even another OS. There is a need for a powerful OS coupled with inexpensive hardware for which it was designed. The real competition for NeXT has never been Sun et al...It's always been Apple, PC with Windows/OS-2,...NS 486 has very little chance of success in the PC world. It is faced with competing with companies that will throw billions to get their software on the shelves. Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Only black NeXT Mail and GS mail read...]
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ethernet Cards: SMC vs. WD Message-ID: <18540@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 17 Feb 93 21:44:41 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Thanks to everyone who's responded so quickly (Ross Garrett Cutler, Donald Becker, and Philip McDunnough so far). The answer is yes, the SMC and WD cards are functionally identical. I look forward to verifying this by the acid test. :-) ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ The power to destroy a planet is insignificant when compared to the power of the Force. - Darth Vader
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.graphics From: hubert@cubx.com (Hubert Delahaye) Subject: SUBMISSION: Images created with intuitiv'3d Message-ID: <1993Feb17.111840.2900@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 11:18:40 GMT Hi everyone ! Due to several requests, we have just placed on ftp sites several images modeled and rendered with intuitiv'3d for NeXTSTEP. They are submitted for demonstration purposes and emphasize the advanced features of intuitiv'3d combined with RenderMan. A readme file gives details about how these scenes have been created. We hope you will like them. You can currently download : - Intuitiv3d-Images-Demo.README.rtf - Intuitiv3d-Images-Demo.tar (1925120 bytes, images are already compressed in the .tar file) in the /pub/next/submissions directory on the archive site cs.orst.edu. The complete intuitiv'3d software package will be released for NeXT computers as well as for NeXTSTEP for Intel processors during NeXTWorld Expo, on May 25th. Please mail us your comments about these scenes ! -- Hubert Delahaye Cub'X Systemes Immeuble Sedgwick James 7, rue Ernest & Armand Peugeot 92563 Rueil Mailmaison Cedex FRANCE +33 (1) 47 08 74 40 Tel +33 (1) 74 08 74 41 Fax intuitiv@cubx.com Email/NeXTmail
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Help! My mouse has a mind of its own! Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 22:38:27 GMT Message-ID: <1993Feb17.223827.16460@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Well, it's not that bad, really. Maybe once a day, I notice that my cursor jumps on the screen. Just a minute ago, it cleary jumped about an inch to the left instantaneously. Any ideas why? My machine is a new (<0.5 years old) Monochrome Turbo Slab running NS3.0, of course. --Glenn Brown
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: NeXTSTEP CHALLENGE Message-ID: <1993Feb17.125522.14744@latcs1.lat.oz.au> From: nicolek@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Nicole KAIYAN) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 12:55:22 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia Keywords: NeXTSTEP 486 Summary: NeXTSTEP CHALLENGE DO YOU ACCEPT THE NeXTSTEP CHALLENGE Picture a scene in a major shopping centre/commercial area/computer dealer, where a marketing person asks a passer-by/customer, whether they wish to take the NeXT challenge. Running on the computer indicated is both a copy of Windows-NT and NS-486. The buyer is asked to honestly evaluate which operating system environment would best suit their needs. Other possible challenges include: * small business taking on the NeXTSTEP challenge, by evaluation both operating systems over a 30 day trial * getting system administrators to take the NeXT Networking Challenge * asking dealers to take the NeXTSTEP installation challenge This whole affair would of course be administered by a hired marketing firm, and would accompany plenty of media hype. I invite discussion on this idea. --------------------------------- ------------------------------------- | Nicole Kaiyan | Email: nicolek@latcs1.lat.oz.au | | Computer Science Department | | | La Trobe University | NeXTmail welcome | | Melbourne 3083 | | | AUSTRALIA | | --------------------------------- -------------------------------------
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Specialized NeXT BBS software.... Date: 17 Feb 1993 22:59:07 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1lufvrINN395@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I put a call out a couple of months ago for people who would like to work on this project. Please respond if interested. I've got more time now and my next is running and I would like to get s started.... CW
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Message-ID: <93048.162853C31801ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 93 16:29:02 CST From: Ed Spitznagel <C31801ST@WUVMD> To: NETNEWS@WUVMD Subject: Re: Crazy Mac files from floppy disk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software References: <1lreppINN6ra@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> > >In article <1lreppINN6ra@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu >(Wassim M. Jabi) says: > >Hi: >I've been transfering files from the Mac to the NeXT via an >HD floppy. When I view those files on the NeXT the lines >all run together. However, if I transfer them using ftp >they work just fine. Probelm comes up with Postscript files >and C code from ThinkC and maybe others. Any ideas why that is? >-- I believe that the Mac uses CR (carriage return) as its line end, while the NeXT and all other Unix machines use LF (line feed). When you FTP, the translation occurs automatically, provided you do an ASCII transfer. BTW, none of our NeXT machines will accept a Mac-formatted disk. Do you know some secret our guru does not? -Ed Spitznagel C31801ST@wuvmd.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) Subject: Re: STOP! (about NeXT hardware) Message-ID: <1993Feb17.182000.7024@boba.rhein-main.de> Sender: borris@boba.rhein-main.de Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing References: <1ljgolINN3n8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 18:20:00 GMT In article <1ljgolINN3n8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > All of this complaining is making me sick! > > NeXT is much better off as a software company. The only reason people > bought NeXT "hardware" was to run NeXTSTEP. They certainly didn't buy it > for its price/performance. If they wanted cheap, fast hardware, they could > have bought Sun, or a 486DX/2. The 70,000 or so who bought NeXT's so far > did it because of NeXTSTEP SOFTWARE. > Sorry, NO! It's now 2 years ago I bought my NeXT (cube and station as a local net) - NeXT wasn't available in Germany earlier! I've got a few reasons to buy NeXT hardware at this time (usuable DTP-sofware wasn't availabte at that time!): 1. Display PostScript - 2 years ago NO system (if it was IBM, Mac, Sun, ...) offered this GREAT advantage. Every kind of displaying graphics was something like Adobe's Type Manager which shows about 80 percent of the real design - NeXT did (and does) about 98 percent - you got (and get) a real WYSIWYG!!! 2. The real thumb b/w-printer: Low cost but 400 dpi! Did you really try to print a 5MB document to an parallel connected PS printer at an IBM machine? Your beard grows longer and longer up to the moment a Windows-machine (I think a Mac, also) pops up the warning: "Out of memory" and you have to think how to realize your document otherwise to get it printed! 3. LOW COST! 2 years ago a net (2 workstations) built by Novell software (two 386 PC's as workstation one 486 as server) was about DM 78.000 - my NeXT was about DM 60.000 including all available DTP software (FrameMaker, Adobe Illustrator, ...) > The stregth of NeXT is its software, and now it will be available on multiple > platforms. This will give NeXTSTEP a more "open" feel. Also, those who > are complaining that their NeXT hardware is obsolete are crazy. The 68040 > systems are fast, well designed, highly regarded. NeXTSTEP software will > be available on these systems for as long as NeXT supports them. By the way, > it is a FEDERAL LAW that NeXT has to support its discontinued hardware for > five years. > The strength of NeXT IMHO is the 'fit-together' of soft- and hardware. I don't care about processors and their numbers - I care about functinallity! Soft- and hardware have to fit, to work and to earn money. And there's no time for different 'feelings' (if it's 'open' oder 'closed' or 'somethingelse'). I'm not interested in federal laws (BTW: what's about Europe?) or any abstract things - I only want to do DTP and not to care about system architecture, laws ... or the sexual life of Steve Jobs. > To configure an Intel system to make it NeXTSTEP compatable will not be > cheap. Existing NeXT hardware owners should be rest assured that their > investment was well worth it. Heck, if NeXTSTEP really catches on, those > black boxes might just be more sought after than before. > > Eric Hermanson > ... I dont't collect stamps - I don't collect cubes or stations either. There might be a lot of advantages by porting NS to a 486 (for NeXT). But where's the advantage for me? I'm forced to buy new harware now (or within the NeXT two years) to be on top of technics - but at my cube there are already two or three slots free to put in several cards. And what happens if NeXT will realize NS 5.0 on Mac's - or Sun's - Amiga's - ... (to be completed by your own)? -Borris- -- --- Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 - D-6000 Frankfurt am Main - Germany Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) Subject: Flame: NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE Message-ID: <1993Feb17.200203.7458@boba.rhein-main.de> Sender: borris@boba.rhein-main.de Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 20:02:03 GMT Now it's official: NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE! They will port their famous stuff to 486 PC's. There's one question left: WHEN THE FUCK WILL NEXTSTEP BE PORTED TO THE FAMOUS C 64 TOYS ???? -Borris- (who's very happy with NeXT's hardware!) -- --- Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 - D-6000 Frankfurt am Main - Germany Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: EAW Lives! Message-ID: <18550@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 01:13:24 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Could this be the first posting about this? I received my Electronic AppWrapper today. Looks pretty slick so far. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Arnold's Laws of Documentation: 1) If it should exist, it doesn't. 2) If it does exist, it's out of date. 3) Only documentation for useless programs transcends the first two laws.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) Subject: Re: STOP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <1993Feb16.140810.2344@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Agnus' Home, Leonberg/Warmbronn, Germany References: <1ljgolINN3n8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 14:08:10 GMT Eric M Hermanson (zmonster@athena.mit.edu) wrote: > NeXT is much better off as a software company. The only reason people > bought NeXT "hardware" was to run NeXTSTEP. No. Definitly not. I (and a lot of my friends) bought NeXT computers because the hardware and the software is good. NeXT hardware did what the Macintosh and the Amiga hardware did not. A lot of small feature can only be found at the NeXT hardware: Power key, display without power cord, autoswitching power supply, hyper fast laser printer, high resolution and fast but affordable greyscale or color graphics, mirco- phone inside the display, 2.88 meg disk drive, 44 kHz 16 bit sound, etc. And the NeXTSTEP software perfectly fits to this hardware. > Eric Hermanson Matthias -- ** Matthias Zepf, Riegelaeckerstrasse 27, 71 229 Leonberg, Germany ** ** +49 7152 41917 Email: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (use NeXTmail!) **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) Subject: Re: STOP! Message-ID: <1993Feb18.024533.16837@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park References: <1ljgolINN3n8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Feb16.140810.2344@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 02:45:33 GMT In article <1993Feb16.140810.2344@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) writes: >Eric M Hermanson (zmonster@athena.mit.edu) wrote: >> NeXT is much better off as a software company. The only reason people >> bought NeXT "hardware" was to run NeXTSTEP. > >No. Definitly not. I (and a lot of my friends) bought NeXT computers >because the hardware and the software is good. NeXT hardware did what >the Macintosh and the Amiga hardware did not. A lot of small feature >can only be found at the NeXT hardware: Lesse.. >Power key, Badly placed, not of much value (just as easy to reach behind, a lot less likely to be hit by attention-seeking feline) How often do you power-up/power-down that it needs to be on the keyboard? >display without >power cord, Not exactly a bonus in my book--means that display is going to be just that bit more difficult to use on other hardware, which is a consideration on a $1300+ monitor. >autoswitching power supply, How often do you move? > hyper fast laser printer, Debatable. > high >resolution and fast but affordable greyscale or color graphics, ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Very debatable. > mirco- >phone inside the display, Relatively worthless. > 2.88 meg disk drive, Also worthless--gimmick. > 44 kHz 16 bit sound, etc. One point. >And the NeXTSTEP software perfectly fits to this hardware. It sure does. Let's see how well it works with a PC. -- --- Attention: All private email *must* go to rsrodger@wam.umd.edu --- Looks good on the outside but.. intel inside ( <--stolen )
From: ymok@solaris.ps.uci.edu (Y. MOK) Subject: Where is the chip ? ( was Re: Why stop if it works?) Message-ID: <2B82FC9B.14437@news.service.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: University of California, Irvine References: <1993Feb17.090448.9000@coe.montana.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 03:03:55 GMT In article <1993Feb17.090448.9000@coe.montana.edu>, uphra@terra.oscs.montana.edu (Recep Avci) writes: |> Why stop if it works? |> |> On several occasions NeXT announced how well they did last quarter. |> And now they are closing their factory and doing something else. |> Am I missing something here? Why stop something that works? I suppose |> because |> now that they made some money why not take the money and run. That |> is how it looks from this end. I have always looked NeXTHardware |> & NeXTStep as parts of a whole. A harmonious combination of two |> good ideas in one great product. Now they want to separate them. |> Why? Money and greed I suppose. It certainly looks attractive. Software |> is certainly a less challenging work. Why not let Japanese do the |> hard work as in many other areas. Let Americans take the easy way out |> and more lucrative way out, they smelled the money in the short run |> and they went for it. They sold out bunch of dedicated people like |> myself who understood the value of a great product the "NeXTComputer=a |> harmonious combination of hardware and software all in one". My only |> wish is the future software written for NeXTStep platforms will run |> on my NeXT computer! That is all. |> |> Recep Avci |> |> -- After reading messages from disgruntled NeXT customers for a week, I cannot help but express my opinion. I think it is somewhat unfair to criticize NeXT while the true culprit, I think, so far has escaped the limelight. Rumors had been flying for more than a year that NeXT would have a new black box based on the Motorola 88110, and SJ claimed that it would blow everyone else out of the water. According to Moto's data sheet, and probably those who worked on the prototype, that could well be the case. Do we still remember the public reaction when SJ first showed the '040 box in San Francisco ? History could have repeated. Only this time, the question is: where is the chip ? (Or, where is the beef ?) As the story unfolds, it should be very clear by now that NeXT indeed wanted to use the 88110. I suspect that Moto has already given up this chip, or at least put it on the back burner, while embracing the PowerPC of IBM/Apple. It is easier (IBM already has a working chip set) and more profitable (Apple offers a guaranteed market). Moto has been working on the 88110 for years, but cannot deliver. By the time Moto decided to dump core, SJ probably knew that his hardware division was in deep yogurt. Millions of R&D $ have gone down the tube. Still, effort was made to redesign the hardware to use the PowerPC, as SJ reportedly said that a PowerPC based system was almost ready, since the two chips are bus-compatible and the switch was hoped to be less painful, until company resources were running short. My point is that NeXT was simply caught in the middle and got screwed by Moto. On one hand, customers, like you and me, demand high-performance/ reasonable-price hardwares, which were probably in the pipeline if Moto could deliver. On the other hand, critical parts of the machine are nowhere in sight. The incompetence of Moto has a lot to do with the anxiety you and I are having today. Other system vendors, like Data General, are probably in the same boat. ------------------------------------------------------------- Y. Mok ; ymok@solaris.ps.uci.edu Department of Physics University of California, Irvine
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <1993Feb18.002430.2552@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <C2KA8A.LB8@utstat.toronto.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 00:24:30 GMT In article <C2KA8A.LB8@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >>In article <C2Iv8x.n1G@acsu.buffalo.edu> yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko) writes: >> >>[ ] >>> >>>As a software company, Steve Jobs must learn from Bill Gates. Putting >>>the working software to as many CPUs as possible. There is one big difference >>>here, though. Microsoft hates UNIX due to its Windows NT plan. :-) >>>Therefore, NeXT must not just put NeXTSTEP on Intel CPU. NeXT must >>>port NEXTSTEP to other UNIX boxes in order to survive and live >>>well. >> >>NeXT can't compete with either Microsoft or IBM. It's far too late for that. >>They can be a small software house I supppose, like DRI or the GeoWorks >>people.IBM now includes OS/2 with its mid to higher end PC's and NEC will >>be bundling NT with their higher end clones, with a free upgrade to the >>released version. Microsoft will have an upgrade path for eveyone on the >>planet to NT. In short people may end up spending $200 for NT and under $100 >>for OS/2. Why on earth would they spend $1000 to follow someone who may >>decide to market fish next week? Steve Jobs may have good taste, but >>reliability certainly seems to be something that isn't high on his priority >>list. One would have to be a fool to place one's future in his hands at this >>point. >> >>Let's not forget. There is no longer a NeXT community. There is no Speak for yourself pal. I'm still a part of this community. And this community is going to grow! Even if NeXTSTEP only captures 1% of the 486 market. Even if it captures 1% of the Pentium market. Even if it only captures 1% of the *installed* base of Suns. Even if it captures 1% of the *installed* base of HP machines. Geez! -- Ronald Pomeroy Quote of the year: "The NeXT has gone virtual" Advanced Micro Devices -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Time for a new newsgroup ????? Message-ID: <1993Feb18.003503.3428@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1993Feb16.215630.931@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 00:35:03 GMT In article <1993Feb16.215630.931@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: >> >>I think we should have a: >> >>comp.sys.nextstep.intel >> >>group made. (Which will hopefully be followed by other >>comp.sys.nextstep.* groups. >> >>WE're sure to be needing this anyway as the May 25 release >>date nears and passes! >> >>Someone care to do a call for discussion? >> >>- darcy Not. If future NeXTSTEP apps are going to be truely portable across platforms, these groups should not be necessary! As an example, the ObjectWorks\Smalltalk environment from ParcPlace runs on Suns (3 4 and SPARC), Intel (Windows and OS/2), Unix, HP-UX, DEC (Ultrix), NeXT, Macintosh, Sequent and probably some others. How click over to their (singular) newsgroup (assuming you have NewsGrazer - otherwise "g" over there). Refreshing, isn't it ? Objective-C got most of it's OBJECT'ness (is that a word ???) from Smalltalk. In short, I want more messages and less C. More OBJECTS and less macros. -- Ronald Pomeroy Quote of the year: "The NeXT has gone virtual" Advanced Micro Devices -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: STOP! Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 04:25:21 GMT Message-ID: <C2MMy9.1CK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Feb16.140810.2344@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Matthias Zepf writes > A lot of small feature can only be found at the NeXT hardware: [..] All the items you mention except the graphics, the NeXT laser printer and the sound quality are pretty useless to me. I don't know anyone who can read or write 2.88MB floppies. The floppy disks that you have to use to get this capacity are still quite expensive and I just don't have that kind of need for floppy use. If I did, I'd have no problem with splitting up my job onto cheaper DD or HD disks and then reassembling on the other end, but more often than not I'll just use my modem to get data from one end to the other. The rest of things are just sorta gimmicky to me because I don't turn my cube off (for the most part) so much that I need such easy access to the power button. In fact, it's kind of a pain should I accidentally hit it followed by hitting return (it makes me wonder why NeXT didn't think about this if NeXT felt the need to put in a software method for ignoring power button keypresses). I really don't care about the power cord situation because I just put the computer where I don't have to even see the cabling for most anything. I don't plan on moving anywhere but in the continental United States (although I can see why this is quite important to non-US residents), so that power supply a feature I'll never use. If I ever actually had a use for that microphone, I wouldn't care if it were a separate piece, the quality of the input would matter much more to me. And since I have a cube, my color option is anything but affordable (thanks to NeXT hardware planning on that fiasco)....hopefully someone will be willing to sell their ND real cheap. On the other hand, I don't have a NeXT laser printer, but from what I've seen it looks fine to me (although another thread on c.s.n.hardware discusses how much of a ripoff the NLP really is since you can get a 600 DPI HP laser printer for the same cost as the NLP [I'm not sure whether this is true outside of the US]). The graphics are great to me, I just wish I could move this darn dock right and left so it would stop etching a silly NeXT logo and dock column on my screen (anyone could have told them the dock needed global movement back when the dock was on the drawing board). With such a low amount of screen area to work with, that dock area might be handy if I ever could get it just shift it to the right. The DSP music sounds good to me, but I wish there were more songs with more instruments instead of the same old piano we've heard a million times....perhaps combinations of the piano and other instruments would be nice. I guess with NeXT developers losing money left and right because of recent developments this will be hard to come by....oh well. -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: The changing of NeXT's vision. Message-ID: <1993Feb18.013545.9330@prim> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 01:35:45 GMT In article <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> mattmattcube@concert.net writes: > I remember the slogan that NeXT used to attach to its old-style >packaging. It went something like this: "At NeXT, we believe a small group of >people can change the world." > > That statement, to me, embodied what used to be NeXT's vision - an idea >that their machine was not just a commodity, not just a tool, but something >that could actually change people's lives - something that would change >fundamentally the way people worked, the way people felt about information, and >at a fundamental level, the way people thought. That's a very romantic, but in a way very nerdy view, early Steve Jobs, the idea that technology could revolutionize people's lives. Well they came, they saw, but they didn't conquer. Computers remain just tools to get a job done. And anoraks keep the rain off. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) Subject: Some notes from the BaNG beeting Message-ID: <1993Feb18.053540.19538@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 05:35:40 GMT I just got out of the BaNG meeting, Jobs was there talking about NeXT's switch to a software company, and answering questions. Here are some of the notes I took (mostly on things I viewed important as a user/owner), I'm sure that others will post more details that I didn't get down: The list prices for NS486 will be $795 for user and $1995 for developer, they should be released May 25th. Support for '40 hardware will continue through Motorola (no actual length was given). Releases for '40 will continue for the next few years (no exact time frame given). NS3.1 will allow cross compilation for intel and '40 platforms. NeXT will be trying to have NS bundled with 486 systems (no mention of specific vendors). Ports to other platforms should take 9-12 months, however no specific on which (if any) other platforms would have ports, or if any ports were currently in progress. Jobs talked about NS being an alternative to Microsoft's NT/ Cairo. NS 3.1 release will NOT be in fatbinary form (ie it looks as if there will be two separate NS 3.1 CD ROMs). I asked about a possible upgrade path for people with '40 NS 3.0 to 3.1 486 and apparently there aren't plans for one, although there will be an upgrate to '40 NS 3.1 when it comes out apparently '40 developement will lag behind "a few weeks". The marketing plan seems to be targeting large (fortune 500) companies, to produce mission critical apps. Jobs stated that "The DSP is total history. The DSP was a mistake". The NeXT factory has not actually been sold to Cannon, although Jobs did say that they are giving Cannon the first option to buy. As a side note apparently Sun is offering some kind of offer for NeXT users to trade in for SPARC systems Disclaimer: The above are from my notes I may have not gotten the details perfect. Anyway it was good to get some answers, even if they tended to be a bit vague on the details. -Rick Francis rickf@leland.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Some notes from the BaNG beeting Message-ID: <-g+4clr@rpi.edu> References: <1993Feb18.053540.19538@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 07:18:53 GMT rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) writes: > As a side note apparently Sun is offering some kind of offer for NeXT > users to trade in for SPARC systems Note that the offer is for a machine running Solaris 2.x, it isn't for a machine running NeXTSTEP. As such, it's hardly a surprise that Sun would like to sell NeXT owners some Sun machines... I'll much rather keep my NeXTstations, and shoot for NeXTSTEP on HP (or other high-power machines, including Sparc). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: hogan@boetius (Kharim Hogan) Subject: Re: Wanted: Black hard disk case Message-ID: <1993Feb17.212546.29544@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> Sender: news@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM References: <1lu5o9INNomb@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 17 Feb 93 21:25:46 GMT In article <1lu5o9INNomb@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu writes: >Hi: > >I'm looking for a NeXTBlack case for my 3.5" Fujitsu Hard disk (520MB >M-2624F) It has to have a power supply, fan, SCSI id selector and led >lights. If you know of any source for new or used cases please send me >e-mail. Thank you. >P.S. >I already tried (with no satisfactory result): >1. PLI <-- don't sell them >2. Liberty Systems <-- don't sell them >3. The Cube Route <--- don't sell them >4. Park systems technology <-- out of stock waited 3 weeks for nothing. >5. NextConnection <--- Very expensive ($395) > >-- In December Tecor was selling them for $195. You might give them a call or send email to info@tecor.com Here's the rest of their coordinates... Tecor Inc. 237 Miramar Dr. Santa Cruz, CA 95060 tel- (408) 458-3197 fax- (408) 425-1804 Last I heard anyway! -- ************************************************************************* Kharim M. Hogan Systems Administrator hogan@music.mcgill.ca Faculty of Music, McGill University *************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <C2n0As.7Aq@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C2KA8A.LB8@utstat.toronto.edu> <1993Feb18.002430.2552@dvorak.amd.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 09:13:39 GMT In article <1993Feb18.002430.2552@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: [ ] >>>Let's not forget. There is no longer a NeXT community. There is no > >Speak for yourself pal. I'm still a part of this community. And this >community is going to grow! Even if NeXTSTEP only captures 1% of the 486 >market. Even if it captures 1% of the Pentium market. Even if it only >captures 1% of the *installed* base of Suns. Even if it captures 1% of the >*installed* base of HP machines. Well, in a sense there will be a community of people interested in making as much money as fast as possible. I do hope you enjoy the company of all those with ".com" addresses as that's what's going to be here. Moreover, perhaps AMD will support your ".com" community with ftp sites, etc... What is becoming unfortunately clearer to me is that NeXT no longer has an interesting higher vision and , in addition, will rapidly disappear from university circles. So, you can have your community. 3-COM also offers a similar one. Philip McDunnough philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Only black NeXT Mail please...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: Time for a new newsgroup ????? Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 09:39:41 GMT Message-ID: <C2n1I5.64G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Feb18.003503.3428@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana [Why did this have USA distribution on it?] Ron Pomeroy writes > If future NeXTSTEP apps are going to be truely portable across platforms, > these groups should not be necessary! [..] I agree. I could see (perhaps) breaking up the hardware group or somehow allowing for concurrent non-disruptive discussion of both the Intel and original NeXT hardware, but as for the software, it seems to me that one of NeXT's big goals is to make NeXTSTEP software run on any hardware that has NeXTSTEP on it. I like this goal: being able to go into a store (someday...perhaps) and know that everything on the NeXTSTEP shelf will run on my machine, not because I have the very latest in hardware, but because I run NeXTSTEP. Perhaps when NS486 there might come to be a need for a split of either the software or hardware groups (or perhaps both), but right now I think that either would be premature. -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jayw@idsoftware.com (Jay Wilbur) Subject: .signature question Message-ID: <1993Feb17.190833.15613@nntpxfer.psi.com> Sender: news@nntpxfer.psi.com Organization: Performance Systems Int'l Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 19:08:33 GMT I'm new to the NeXT and have what may be a silly question. How can I get the NeXTmail application to use my .signature file? -- /-------------------------------------------------------\ | Jay Wilbur | jay@idsoftware.com | Games so real | | Id Software | (NeXTMail OK) | they could | | | | make you sick!| \-------------------------------------------------------/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Time for a new newsgroup ????? Message-ID: <1993Feb18.125744.12422@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993Feb18.003503.3428@dvorak.amd.com> <C2n1I5.64G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 12:57:44 GMT In article <C2n1I5.64G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: >I could see (perhaps) breaking up the hardware group or >somehow allowing for concurrent non-disruptive discussion of >both the Intel and original NeXT hardware, but as for the >software, it seems to me that one of NeXT's big goals is to >make NeXTSTEP software run on any hardware that has NeXTSTEP >on it. To begin with, one obvious change would be to move all the existing groups from comp.sys.next.* to comp.os.nextstep.* Afterward, there would remain a natural constituency for topics related to NeXT hardware, which might look like this: comp.sys.next.hardware comp.sys.next.marketplace comp.sys.next.misc there being little remaining rationale for: comp.sys.next.advocacy comp.sys.next.announce comp.sys.next.programmer comp.sys.next.software comp.sys.next.sysadmin <> A pig on a mountain sees more than a wise man with a bag <> over his head. <> -- Mary Jane DeFroscia -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) Subject: Re: Windows NT Flaws Message-ID: <C2nG5s.CKE@dscomsa.desy.de> Sender: usenet@dscomsa.desy.de (usenet) Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA References: <1lok66INN5j9@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 14:56:15 GMT In article <1lok66INN5j9@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: |> This is the week that Unix International gets to take its shot at |>Microsoft Windows NT thanks to the publication of a detailed study |>it's had done by Locus Computing Corp tellingly titled "NT versus |>Unix" (CI No 2,058). Taking potshots at NT is fast becoming an |>industry recreation despite it being a little unfair. Thats a bit like asking George Bush for comments on Clintons performance. The only substantive comment in the whole piece besides the winges that WNT != UNIX was that the first implementation is restricted to single user mode only. -- Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Wall Street Journal ad Message-ID: <1993Feb18.130252.206@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: Pro Forma Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 13:02:52 GMT Today's [Thursday, 18 Feb 93] Wall Street Journal carries a two-page advertisement for NeXT (pages A6-7). It and Conrad's recent mega-post have the same theme: 1. NeXT is going after the "object-oriented OS" market. 2. Windows NT is not considered competition, but "Cairo" and Taligent's system are. 3. Will be shipping on the start date of NeXTWorld expo. I don't particularly like the ad. Huge type and a single, very small screen shot of IB. I have noticed several things in the official words from NeXT: NetInfo is not mentioned. 3Dkit is not mentioned. Display PostScript is not mentioned. The indexing kit is mentioned, but Digital Librarian is not. Focus on "client/server applications", whatever they are; hardly seems appropriate for an intended mainstream OS. On the other hand, the official words are encouraging, the ad's existence is encouraging, and if they don't drop the ball, I think they have a chance. It is just that their past performance in ball-carrying leaves one skeptical. --J Gregory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: How long will NeXTSTEP run on '040 NeXT's? Message-ID: <C2nEMA.3F4@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Feb14.075456.19965@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 14:22:58 GMT In article <1993Feb14.075456.19965@leland.Stanford.EDU> edundon@leland.Stanford.EDU (Elizabeth Anne Dundon) writes: > I have been assured that present hardware will be supported through 3.X > and quite possibly into 4.X. This safely takes us beyond the reasonable > lifespan of our hardware. Lifespan? You mean, like, a machine that's already lived through every version of NeXTSTEP can't be expected to live through more than two more releases? Our cubes have been running here since December 1988, and most of them are still the same '030 machines they always were. They'll certainly be considered very slow (as opposed to just slow) soon, but I have no doubt they'll still be running for some time to come (even if after being sold at salvage). Maybe I just like to run machines 'til they drop, but a slow NeXT is still nicer to work with than a fast machine running other stuff. I see no reason why an '040 cube should be considered near the end of its lifespan. ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: Re: Phone number for HSD? Message-ID: <1993Feb16.174649.24797@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. References: <1993Feb16.002709.20996@netcom.com> Distribution: ca Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 17:46:49 GMT In article <1993Feb16.002709.20996@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes: > I want to order some stuff from HSD, but I've lost their phone number. > Does anyone out there have it? > > Thanks, > > Steve abell@netcom.com HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1350 Pear Ave., Suite C Mountain View, CA 94043 info@hsd.com (NeXTmail) Ph. (800) 828-5522 or (415) 964-1400 Fax (415) 964-1538
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal ad References: <1993Feb18.130252.206@proforma.com> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 14:50:03 GMT Message-ID: <1993Feb18.145003.7780@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> J. G. Gregory writes > Today's [Thursday, 18 Feb 93] Wall Street Journal carries a two-page > advertisement for NeXT (pages A6-7). [...] > The indexing kit is mentioned, but Digital Librarian is not. [...] I should hope not! Dig. Lib. is mighty buggy, and NeXT should bow their heads in shame at the very mention of the application that they wrote and that goes into live-lock allocating more an more memory. --Glenn Brown [P.S., but I wouldn't give up Dig. Lib. for anything. What a time saver... usually. I just feel an urge to lash out these days. I wonder why? =-) ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software From: cheewai@uxmail.ust.hk (Yeung Chee Wai) Subject: Prolog Interpreter/Compiler for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Feb18.124314.23337@uxmail.ust.hk> Sender: usenet@uxmail.ust.hk (usenet account) Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 12:43:14 GMT Hi I am in URGENT need of finding a public domain/shareware Prolog Interpreter/Compiler for NeXTs. Is there such a beast available anywhere in the world? Please reply by email. Thanks in advance A very very desperate: Chee Wai -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _--_|\ Yeung Chee Wai Technician / \ Department of Computer Science Room: 4001A \_.--._* Hong Kong University of Science and Phone: +85 2 358 7021 v Technology Fax: +85 2 358 1477 Clear Water Bay, Kowloon, Hong Kong Email: cheewai@uxmail.ust.hk ^^^^^^^^ This is Australia, Not HK :-) "COBOL is just a bug with syntax."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: uphra@terra.oscs.montana.edu (Recep Avci) Subject: NeXTFrameMaker/SlowResponse? Message-ID: <1993Feb18.161542.20739@coe.montana.edu> Sender: usenet@coe.montana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Montana State University Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 16:15:42 GMT NeXTFrameMaker/DelayedResponse? I have a question for those of you using FrameMaker: Are you having any trouble with Frame Maker's response to your key strokes? That is when the "Borders" in the "view" manu is turned on, do you see a slow response to your key strokes, but it goes away when you turn the "Borders" off? I am having the annoying experience with Frame Maker when the "Borders" is turned on. The experience is very similar to the one we have when we log on a remote site. If you remeber how difficult to write anything and how frustrating it gets. Well, it is the same experience I am having with the Framemaker. I called the company and they suggested to turn the "Borders" off. I like to hear an alternative solution as you can imagine there are many advantages of having the "Borders" on. Thank you in advance. Recep Avci e-mail: uphra@terra.oscs.montana.edu
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Some notes from the BaNG beeting Date: 18 Feb 1993 16:44:58 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1m0eeaINNp1c@ni.umd.edu> References: <1993Feb18.053540.19538@leland.Stanford.EDU> <-g+4clr@rpi.edu> In article <-g+4clr@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: >rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) writes: >> As a side note apparently Sun is offering some kind of offer for NeXT >> users to trade in for SPARC systems > >Note that the offer is for a machine running Solaris 2.x, it >isn't for a machine running NeXTSTEP. As such, it's hardly >a surprise that Sun would like to sell NeXT owners some Sun >machines... Yes, our sales guy offered a rather substantial "trade-in" on a Sparc 10 something, along with 6 months to transition before having to hand over the hardware. >I'll much rather keep my NeXTstations, and shoot for NeXTSTEP >on HP (or other high-power machines, including Sparc). Be sure to ask the Sun sales guy when you can run NeXTSTEP on his Sparcstation, and to be sure to get back to you when it does. louie
From: bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Time for a new newsgroup ????? Date: 18 Feb 1993 16:59:06 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1m0f8qINNr7c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993Feb18.163507.15399@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> In article <1993Feb18.163507.15399@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > In article <1993Feb18.003503.3428@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: > >In article <1993Feb16.215630.931@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca > >(Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > >>> > >>>I think we should have a: > >>> > >>>comp.sys.nextstep.intel > >>> > >>>group made. (Which will hopefully be followed by other > >>>comp.sys.nextstep.* groups. > >>> > >>>WE're sure to be needing this anyway as the May 25 release > >>>date nears and passes! > >>> > >>>Someone care to do a call for discussion? > >>> > >>>- darcy > > > >Not. > > > > >If future NeXTSTEP apps are going to be truely portable across platforms, these > >groups should not be necessary! > > > Well... I doubt users of NS/HP will care to hear people asking each > other which graphics cards are best. I doubt users of NS/Intel will > care to hear where you can get the cheapest RAM for HP machines. > I guess they could look in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware and comp.sys.hp > What about cards and device driver discussion in general? This > is sure to be specific to the platform in question... > > Every platform is bound to have platform-specific issues that are > of concern to that platform only. That's what I'm getting at. > And I think every platform has a newsgroup already discussing these topics. > - darcy Jon
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Some notes from the BaNG beeting Date: 18 Feb 1993 17:15:55 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1m0g8bINNog4@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Feb18.053540.19538@leland.Stanford.EDU> >> NS3.1 will allow cross compilation for intel and '40 platforms. Damn. that means that we don't get bug fixes for 3.0 until NeXTstep/Intel is ready. May 25th is already too long to wait for the bug fixes, but based on previous history, there's no way it'll be out May 25th. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: There *is* a new newsgroup !!!!! Message-ID: <4195@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 17:41:04 GMT References: <1993Feb18.163507.15399@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <1m0f8qINNr7c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pittsburgh There already is a comp.soft-sys.nextstep The discussion (what little there is) is about NS/Intel and the requirements thereof. Perhaps future developments could warrant *.intel *.sun *.sgi *.canon *.powerpc and (hopefully) others. -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXTStep, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: NeXT's future... Message-ID: <1993Feb18.173343.14836@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <5880@disuns2.epfl.ch> <1993Feb17.163657.9816@dvorak.amd.com> <C2M3Lp.DLx@utstat.toronto.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:33:43 GMT In article <C2M3Lp.DLx@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >In article <1993Feb17.163657.9816@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: >> >>I have read *nowhere* that technical support will cease. Talk about "Shoot >>first ask question later..." >> >That's not what matters. One would want to hear officially that NS4.0 will >be supported on NeXT's, and not is an issue being considered. > After the Dimension C-cube daughterboard, the OD, and other various broken promises, I have a hard time believing that what NeXT says officially now has any significant correlation with what they do some months down the road. We have our NeXTs. They work now. They are not going to become less useful, it just that our expectations for usefulness will increase with time. I must confess that in spite of my reasoning self, I do feel quite a bit of sadness with the passing of these black boxes. I'll miss the integrated DSP. Was anyone here at "The NeXT day" back at the developer's introduction in '87? Remember "raising the lowest common denominator"? We've come a long way, and the lowest common denominator has been raised. Its just sad to see that now this energy is all going to go into "corporate downsizing". Maybe I'm prejudiced, but it seems to me that in the larger scheme of things, something very special has been lost. Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: disabling power off Message-ID: <1993Feb17.214009.17335@pencom.com> Date: 17 Feb 93 21:40:09 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software Hello there: I seem to recall that there was a default which prevents non-root users from turning off the computer. Does anybody know what this dwrite value is? Please e-mail me directly and thanks in advance. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 795-2000 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * ****************************
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: SoftPC Professional and SoftPC Windows Keywords: SoftPC, Windows Message-ID: <1993Feb18.152002.2707@pencom.com> Date: 18 Feb 93 15:20:02 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software People: Here is a response from someone who is using the beta copy of the product. ============================================================================ I have test a beta of SoftPc professional with windows 3.1, and it is usable ! It seems to be as fast as on a 386sx16 machine ! So it's slower than on a 386DX33 ... and it stay not a really day-to-day professional solution... If you want any more information, do not hesitate, but I think that you should buy it from NeXTConnexion ! It must be at arround $450 for SoftPC Pro with Dos 5.0 and Windows 3.1 ! (Not a big buy). Cheers, Eric PS : according to me, the best solution would be to send them a NS/Intel beta-tester form... to push them porting their soft to NeXTSTEP ! ______________________________________________________________________ Eric de la Tribouille Cub'X Syst mes co-founder, Software Engineer, Sales Manager and soon researcher working on NeXT at UIUC (University of Illinois at Urbana Champain, USA). CUB'X SYSTEMES I tel : (011) 33 1 47 08 74 40 IMMEUBLE SEDGWICK JAMES I fax : (011) 33 1 47 08 74 41 7 RUE E.& A PEUGEOT I e-mail : eric@cubx.com 92563 RUEIL MALMAISON CEDEX I France I ("small" NeXT mail ok, excepted with Steve Jobs...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: mikhe@ida.liu.se (Mike Henry) Subject: Re: STOP! Message-ID: <1993Feb18.110426.518@ida.liu.se> Sender: news@ida.liu.se Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden References: <1ljgolINN3n8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Feb16.140810.2344@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> <1993Feb18.024533.16837@wam.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 11:04:26 GMT rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes: >In article <1993Feb16.140810.2344@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) writes: >>No. Definitly not. I (and a lot of my friends) bought NeXT computers >>because the hardware and the software is good. NeXT hardware did what >>the Macintosh and the Amiga hardware did not. A lot of small feature >>can only be found at the NeXT hardware: I agree totaly, having had an Amiga and almost buying a Sparc before picking a NeXTstation. >>Power key, > Badly placed, not of much value (just as easy to reach behind, > a lot less likely to be hit by attention-seeking feline) How > often do you power-up/power-down that it needs to be on the > keyboard? I power up everymorning and down every night because I can't sleep with the machine on. Also I've worked at a place where the power is cut in the evening in order to conserve energy and the machines required powering up/down everyday. I agree that with the old keyboard it is too easy to hit the power key (and the volume/brightness keys) but I think this had been fixed on the newer ADB keyboards. >>autoswitching power supply, > How often do you move? I bought my NeXT at my university in the States because it had this feature. I took it with me when I worked in Japan and now I'm running fine thank you here in Sweden. Try that with any other machine! Also how much money do you save if you only need to build one type of machine that runs anywhere in the world instead of building different machines for every country you want to sell to? If you had been behind NeXTSTEP development with reasoning like that we would never have had support for internationalization. Don't be so ethnocentric. >> hyper fast laser printer, > Debatable. Maybe, but now the Laser_Jet I'm using right now can't handle Level II Postscript properly. That wouldn't have bothered me if I had a NeXT Laser printer... Anyway the point is moot: You want the bare minimum for some reason and don't seem to have anything constructive to state. I, on the other hand am perfectly satisfied with my NST with all its worthless gimmicks, and will probably get a NeXT laser printer before they go out of production together with some software that I'd like to have. In about six months I might get a Sparc or an Elan running NeXTSTEP and network my NST to it; rendering at light speed on both machines at the same time. That wouldn't suck... > --- Attention: All private email *must* go to rsrodger@wam.umd.edu --- -Mike -- Mike Henry INET : mikhe@ida.liu.se /// August Wahlstromsv. 4 /// S-182 31 Danderyd \\\/// SWEDEN TEL : +46 8 755-8687 \XX/
From: hyunduk@engin.umich.edu (Hyunduk Ahn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Korea NeXT Users and Hangul Date: 18 Feb 1993 20:19:23 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <1m0r0bINNavj@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Does anybody know what happend to Korea NeXT Users mailing list? I get unknown host from knext-request@beethoven.gmu.edu. Maybe someone in that group reading news can help me out. I am primarily interested in using Hangul on NeXT. Any help on this one also appreciated. Hyunduk Ahn hyunduk@engin.umich.edu
From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <1993Feb18.173111.8865@dvorak.amd.com> Date: 18 Feb 93 17:31:11 GMT References: <C2n0As.7Aq@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Distribution: usa Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas In article <C2n0As.7Aq@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >>In article <1993Feb18.002430.2552@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: >> >>[ ] >> >>>>>Let's not forget. There is no longer a NeXT community. There is no >>> >>>Speak for yourself pal. I'm still a part of this community. And this >>>community is going to grow! Even if NeXTSTEP only captures 1% of the 486 >>>market. Even if it captures 1% of the Pentium market. Even if it only >>>captures 1% of the *installed* base of Suns. Even if it captures 1% of the >>>*installed* base of HP machines. >> >>Well, in a sense there will be a community of people interested in making >>as much money as fast as possible. I do hope you enjoy the company of all >>those with ".com" addresses as that's what's going to be here. >> >>Moreover, perhaps AMD will support your ".com" community with ftp sites, etc... >>What is becoming unfortunately clearer to me is that NeXT no longer has an >>interesting higher vision and , in addition, will rapidly disappear from >>university circles. >> >>So, you can have your community. 3-COM also offers a similar one. >> >>Philip McDunnough >>philip@utstat.toronto.edu >>[Only black NeXT Mail please...] There's no logic here. (and I do have an .edu address "rpomeroy@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu" by the way) I look forward to the day when all those Suns, HPs, PCs, and NeXTs at the university (and there are LOTS of Suns in academia) are unified under NeXTSTEP (as opposed to NT). What would you rather see ? NeXTSTEP on black hardware only ??? I guess I'm just an incurable optimist. If more people would focus on the opportunities this situation presents, we would be in much better shape. -- Ronald Pomeroy Quote of the year: "The NeXT has gone virtual" Advanced Micro Devices -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT's future... Message-ID: <1993Feb18.175638.9831@dvorak.amd.com> Date: 18 Feb 93 17:56:38 GMT References: <C2M3Lp.DLx@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Distribution: usa Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas In article <C2M3Lp.DLx@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >>In article <1993Feb17.163657.9816@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: >> >>[ ] >>> >>>I have read *nowhere* that technical support will cease. Talk about "Shoot >>>first ask question later..." >>> >> >>That's not what matters. One would want to hear officially that NS4.0 will >>be supported on NeXT's, and not is an issue being considered. >> >>[ ] >> >>>NeXTSTEP. I dearly love my NSTC, but hey...I'm frozen at 33Mhz (Moto's fault, >>>not NeXT's) >> >>Mhz is everything. The PC is hardly a well integrated computer. There's >>absolutely nothing special about it, and one can only imagine the nightmares I agree completely. The NeXT is (was) truely a work of engineering art. But, the '040 is just not progressing fast enough. >>of integrating sound (most of which is pathetic), networking, DMA, etc... >> >>The NeXT was nicely placed between a micro and a workstation. Software prices >>were a bargain compared to most workstation ones. To now have it on PC's and >>higher end workstations means what? You aren't going to have one software >>package for every computer on earth. >>> >>[ ] >>> >>>Here's looking forward NeXTSTEP/HP !!!!!!!! Cumon' Steve, CORBA can't be THAT >>>hard to conform to...can it ???? >> >>Most of the NS community is not going to get into the rat race of changing >>computers every few months and paying the software costs of living in HP >>land. In fact, you just might find a very large segment of NeXT programmers The response from developers (Stone Design, Pages, others) has been very positive. Apparently they want to develop more software for a larger NeXTSTEP market...go figure. >>gone, and a segment which produced neat stuff. There is no need for yet >>another workstation or even another OS. There is a need for a powerful OS >>coupled with inexpensive hardware for which it was designed. The real NS486 is *designed* to run on cheap Intel compatable hardware. >>competition for NeXT has never been Sun et al...It's always been Apple, >>PC with Windows/OS-2,...NS 486 has very little chance of success in the PC >>world. It is faced with competing with companies that will throw billions to >>get their software on the shelves. >> If the needs were as you described then the market would have accepted NeXT back when the slab was introduced. It was all the things you described...in 1990. Philip...I love my NeXTs (one mono at home and color turbo at work). I'll really miss these black beauties. But, I just know I'm gonna' get such a rush the first time I use NeXTSTEP on a HP735 or a 150Mhz Alpha box....think of it...it's gonna be bad ass! The reality is that hardware has become passe...a commodity. Great software though...that's the great challenge. I'm an Electrical Engineering student...but I believe the real excitement (for the foreseeable future) is in software. That's why I'm pursuing a career in software (esp. Object oriented systems). I still believe that object technology is going to have a profound impact on everyone, more than we ever imagined. Anyways, I'm ranting now... -- Ronald Pomeroy Quote of the year: "The NeXT has gone virtual" Advanced Micro Devices -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: matt%mattcube@concert.net (Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: Mac Floppy Problem. Message-ID: <1993Feb18.201005.458@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: UNC School of Law, CC for NeXT Computer, Inc. Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 20:10:05 GMT Help !! I'm running 3.0 on 2 machines. One is a NSC 16/400. The other is a '040 cube, with a CubeFloppy 2.9 External floppy drive. My problem is that both machines seem to have forgotten about Macintosh Disks. I was using MAC disks on both machines with no problem, and now, I'm out of luck. When I put in a blank "HD", disk and get to the format panel, I can only chose between NeXT and DOS formatting, no Mac. When I put in a HD macintosh disk (just written on my mac), it comes up as unreadable, and asks me if I want to format (in Dos or NeXT format only, of course. . . ). Clues I have so far: What I can't figure out is why both machines are doing this. The NSC was built from the Cube over the net. I changed the permissions on /etc/mtab by hand in the rc.local file, because inserting DOS floppies was changing them around so as to make my /usr/lib/newsbin/expire/doexpire script not work. Go figure. I also see a white bar, about .5" wide running horizontally through the center of the Recycler Icon. Go figure. ANY help would be appreciated. I really need to read some mac disks. Matthew Stecker -- matt stecker | This is my NeXT Computer NeXT Campus Consultant, | There are many like it, UNC School of Law | but this one is mine.
From: k0s8160@chenext1.tamu.edu (Kenji Seto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: pcx -> eps Date: 18 Feb 1993 20:33:55 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <1m0rrjINNhhu@tamsun.tamu.edu> I have a number of graphics files from a PC software package that are in a pcx format. Is there any software (public domian or commercial) that will read them in, and let me convert them into an eps format? Thanks, -Kenji
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Announcing the Shipping of DBConnect for INGRES Message-ID: <6829@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 18 Feb 93 20:08:28 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software News: Contact: Greg Noel Penultimate Development 1319 Summit Avenue Saint Paul, MN 55105 Phone: (612)225-1401 DBConnect for INGRES Ships Saint Paul, MN - February 12, 1992 - Penultimate Development today announced that it is shipping version 1.0 of DBConnect for INGRES - a NeXT Database Kit Adaptor for INGRES database software. Version 1.0 of DBConnect for INGRES supports Unix servers from Data General, HP, and Sun. Support for IBM, Pyramid, and Sequent servers is planned. DBConnect for Ingres allows NeXT users to easily access and manipulate data from a network INGRES database server. It is designed to work with NeXT's Database Kit (DBKit) to provide custom, object oriented tools for creating INGRES database applications on the NeXT platform. Both NeXT Computer Inc. and the INGRES Corporation have endorsed product development efforts. DBConnect for INGRES features three main components: an INGRES Custom Adaptor, a DBConnect API (Application Program Interface), and a DBConnect INGRES Server. The INGRES Custom Adaptor provides a convenient interface to the INGRES software, allowing a developer to integrate complete INGRES functionality with the NeXT Interface Builder and DBKit Object Library to develop custom NeXT applications. The provided DBConnect API allows any INGRES application to be ported for use on a NeXT workstation. The product's INGRES Server runs on the INGRES Unix host and allows the custom NeXT application to manipulate the INGRES database. "Our goal is to provide customized tools to aid the NeXT developer," says Greg Noel, product manager for Penultimate Development. "We saw an opportunity to expand the functionality of NeXTSTEP 3.0 by creating an adaptor for one of the most popular relational database packages available - INGRES. Version 1.0 of DBConnect for INGRES supports Unix servers from Data General, HP, and Sun. Support for IBM, Pyramid, and Sequent servers is planned. Noel says that Penultimate Development and its software development partner - Rathe Inc. - plan to release several new NeXT development tools in the near future, including other custom DBKit Adaptors for major relational database software. For more information about DBConnect for INGRES, Penultimate Development, or Rathe Inc., contact Greg Noel by phone at 612/225-1401, or by FAX at 612-223-5388. Address written inquiries to: Penultimate Development, 1319 Summit Avenue, Saint Paul, MN 55105
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu (James Powell) Subject: honesty and beta testing . . . Message-ID: <1993Feb18.204503.8699@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Sender: usenet@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (News Administrator) Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 20:45:03 GMT I sent my beta test form in way late (today) - I didn't want to lie and say we would have an appropriate 486 since it appeared we would not. Well, a week later I find out we will have one in time for the pre-release due March 8. I wonder what my chances are of being considered at this late date. Has anyone heard anything from the beta coordinators (fax, email, whatever)? We need the continuity and reassurance that a NeXTSTEP/Intel CD-ROM would provide us (Doesn't everybody)! -- James Powell >>> Library Automation, University Libraries, VPI&SU >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic >>> Journals
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mddoyle@door.Princeton.EDU (Mark D. Doyle) Subject: Re: Help! My mouse has a mind of its own! Message-ID: <1993Feb18.172605.21444@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Feb17.223827.16460@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:26:05 GMT In article <1993Feb17.223827.16460@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) writes: >Well, it's not that bad, really. > >Maybe once a day, I notice that my cursor jumps on the screen. Just a >minute ago, it cleary jumped about an inch to the left instantaneously. > >Any ideas why? > >My machine is a new (<0.5 years old) Monochrome Turbo Slab running NS3.0, >of course. > >--Glenn Brown I have the same thing happen to me once in a while. Never seemed to have any adverse effects though. I haven't noticed any consistency to it either (like what I was doing at the time). Mark Doyle mdd@zeke.rockefeller.edu NeXTmail happily accepted.
From: citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BaNG CD-ROM? Message-ID: <00968516.196ED7DC@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Date: 18 Feb 93 20:07:26 GMT Distribution: na,local Organization: University of Arizona O.K. Steve J. spoke at last night's BaNG meeting. O.K. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BaNG CD-ROM!? Don citdem@happy.rc.arizona.edu
From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT speaks at BANG Message-ID: <9302182146.AA17656@alychne-nc.canon.com> Date: 18 Feb 93 21:46:44 GMT Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Steve Jobs, Peter Van Cuylenberg (sp?) and several others from NeXT were the featured speakers at last night's meeting of the Bay Area NeXT User's Group (which was packed to the aisles). The following is a summary of some of their remarks, to the best of my memory; any typos, misspellings, or flat-out wrong comments are my fault and not theirs. Some remarks are paraphrased. Don't believe everything you read. My comments are in brackets [like this]. ***** ON NEXT'S PRODUCT LINE Steve: "NeXT will be making four {categories of} products ... NeXTStep {on various platforms}, developer tools, [I forgot], and groupware ..." ON NEXTSTEP/INTEL Steve: "We're going to be shipping it May 25th [the first day of NeXTWorld Expo] ... It corresponds to 3.1 ... it should run fast in color on a $3500 Gateway box." ON MICROSOFT Steve: "We're not competing with Microsoft {directly} ... our goal is to get more NeXTStep seats. Our market is the in-house developers of mission-critical custom apps. {Eventually} we would like to provide an alternative to Microsoft." [His thesis was that corporations are willing to pay for NeXTStep to develop their apps, and that once a decision is made, they are very reluctant to switch. Emulation means nothing to them since it won't run their custom apps well enough; they'll have to rebuild them anyway, so they don't switch with the market. Windows (and Windows NT) are not attractive options to that market because developing under Windows is a pain. Cairo and Taligent are two years away from shipping, so NeXT is the only (object-oriented) contender for this market.] (Why they don't port NeXTStep to run on top of the NT kernel) Steve: "That's an intelligent question ... We don't think that the way to start out {providing an alternative to Microsoft} is by paying them royalties." [Personally, I think that Microsoft would just change the kernel so that NeXTStep would suffer and Cairo/Windows would not. Isn't that something like what the FTC is investigating now?] Peter: "The advantage {and disadvantage} of competing against a multi-billion dollar company is that everything we do {against them} doesn't have to be a multi-billion dollar enterprise or a multi-billion dollar success." [Afterwards, it was pointed out that Taligent/Cairo have an installed base problem to worry about; they can't risk alienating their installed base, but have to worry about moving them to the new system. Once they start taking Taligent/Cairo apart and shipping pieces early (as they are already doing), integrating those pieces with System 7/Windows, they have to support them, and this hurts their ability to move the whole forward. NeXT, fortunately or unfortunately, doesn't have that problem.] ON PRICING OF NEXTSTEP Steve: "Our corporate in-house customers are buying NeXTStep to develop mission-critical custom apps ... When we looked up the prices for CASE tools and developer tools, we found that they pay an average of $7000 for these tools." [He also pointed out that customers with Motorola hardware can develop for Intel using the cross-compilers, and he said NeXT would be providing tools to debug Intel code on Motorola hardware.] [What this sounds like to me is that they're not competing for the desktops (yet), but rather for a market where a few thousand dollars doesn't make a lot of difference. Where that leaves the developers and early adopters, I'm not sure. We would need to find out what sort of shrink-wrapped apps and productivity tools those customers want, but my guess would be that developer objects and paletters would be a very natural item.] ON THE HIGH COST OF NEW HARDWARE Steve: "PC hardware uses 8-bit graphics model ... which causes NeXTStep problems because it is a true-color model ... with Display PostScript ... but more and more PC vendors are moving to a 15, 16-bit graphics model and building these onto the motherboard. All the Wingine stuff ... all the PC vendors finally figured out that if you put the {video subsystem} on the processor bus, add some VRAM and just get out of its way, the graphics for Windows will run 3 times faster. Exactly the same thing that makes Windows run faster makes NeXTStep run faster." [He then went on to point out that the high-end machines that people need to run NeXTStep are what you need to run NT, modulo a few megs of memory.] Peter: "We are currently negotiating with Gateway, Dell, and other hardware vendors to supply boxes with NeXTStep burned onto the disks..." Steve: "PC hardware isn't much ... but it's faster and cheaper. And for our corporate customers it's safer. They could get a few hundred NeXTStations but couldn't deploy a few thousand - they'd get shot if they did that. But they can deploy a few thousand PC's which just happen to run NeXTStep - they get these things for free." ON SUPPORT OF OLD CUSTOMERS Steve: "There are two parts to that: hardware and software. The first part is that we will be providing on-site service, with Motorola, and are looking to sign up industry support vendors ... The second part is software, and we will commit to supplying NeXTStep on Motorola hardware for the next several years. We're trying to define several right now." [Since Steve later pointed out that the installed base of Motorola hardware will exceed NeXTStep/Intel for some time to come, my guess is that 4.0 will be provided on Motorola hardware.] [He and Peter also promised a slew of announcements on developer programs and assistance coming soon.] ON PORTING TO OTHER PLATFORMS Steve: "I'd like to share a saying we had at Apple to answer your question ... Strange, a ship that leaks from the top. ... No, we have nothing we'd like to announce tonight. But ... stay tuned." Peter: "It's a nine to twelve month process, so you shouldn't expect to see any products until next year." Steve: "NeXTStep is very portable right now, so we'd have something running very quickly. But testing and so forth takes a lot of time ... " [The hacked pre-alpha version of NeXTStep/Intel was running for NeXTWorld Expo last year, and it has taken a year to get a beta out.] [He also noted that they are in discussions with Scott McNeely of Sun, but nothing has been finalized.] ON 3.1 Steve: "3.1 won't be released concurrently with NeXTStep/Intel ... we'll start beta testing on that after the Expo and release it hopefully in Q3. We don't have the resources {to beta-test both at the same time.}" [This does mean that 3.1 for Motorola hardware will benefit from the beta-testing done on NeXTStep/Intel as well - it should be a better product. That might help to alleviate some questions about the Motorola product, depending on how good 3.1 really is.] ON THE DSP Steve: "The future of the DSP - it's history. Gone. Kaput. We publically admit for the first time that we made a mistake [in building the DSP onto the motherboard]. " [He then went on to explain that, by the time the data was loaded into the processor from memory, sent over to the DSP, processed, sent back to the processor and back to memory, the DSP could be infinitely fast and it would still be slow. For the amount of money required to build super-fast data pathways to the DSP, they could double processor speed and do the work there. Processors already have super-fast data access.] ON MULTIMEDIA Steve: "... and the next part of your question is, are we working on something like QuickTime? [Nods.] Come to NeXTWorld Expo." **** As an aside, when polled afterwards, most people said the evening hadn't changed their minds about how they felt about NeXT, some said they felt better about NeXT and very few said they felt worse.
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT's future... Message-ID: <1993Feb18.220957.163523@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 22:09:57 GMT References: <C2M3Lp.DLx@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo > >Here's looking forward NeXTSTEP/HP !!!!!!!! Cumon' Steve, CORBA can't > >be THAT > >hard to conform to...can it ???? > Most of the NS community is not going to get into the rat race of changing > computers every few months and paying the software costs of living in HP > land. In fact, you just might find a very large segment of NeXT programmers > gone, and a segment which produced neat stuff. There is no need for yet > another workstation or even another OS. There is a need for a powerful OS > coupled with inexpensive hardware for which it was designed. The real > competition for NeXT has never been Sun et al...It's always been Apple, > PC with Windows/OS-2,...NS 486 has very little chance of success in the PC > world. It is faced with competing with companies that will throw billions to > get their software on the shelves. First off, didn't NeXT already make a big deal about being the first COBRA compliant os? As for who their competition is, I couldn't disagree more. While NeXTSTEP may gain some old Apple or DOS/Windows customers I feel that most of its customers will come from current workstation markets. I see the potential for NeXT to be what OSF never accomplished, the unified UNIX os. The problem with other unified UNIX attempts was that the reasons to switch weren't that great and they were run by too many compnaies. If HP and SUN start to sell NeXTSTEP machines then we may see the UNIX industry start to move behind a unified os. I think that NT will simply replace Win 3.1 and not much more (mabey even a little less). -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP articles (summary) Message-ID: <1993Feb18.221201.164475@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 22:12:01 GMT References: <1993Feb17.174203.25549@nwnexus.WA.COM> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <1993Feb17.174203.25549@nwnexus.WA.COM> dean@thrall.com (Dean Johnson) writes: > > > OK, as promised here is the NeXTSTEP articles that appeared in > Windows magazine (March 1993). These are only summaries; the > articles are actually about other subjects (486 chip and GUIs) > I am only going to reprint the NeXT parts. Enjoy! > > Reprinted without permission (of course). > > ... giving an edge to 486-specific software. Does such software > exist? I'm afraid so. At Fall Comdex, I watched Steve Jobs demo > NeXTSTEP-486, and I was stunned (along with the other couple > hundred people in the audience). This is a 486-specific variant > of NeXTSTEP 3.0, and extremely sophisticated, object-oreintated > operating system running on top of CMU's Mach kernel. > > NeXTSTEP does a lot of little things that add up to a whole new > level of system performance. One example is moving windows on > screen- in Windows, when you drag a window around just a frame > moves. In NeXTSTEP, the whole window moves - even if it contains > a 24 bit image - and it moves as quickly and smoothly as you can > move your mouse... > > Most of the article talks about NT and how slow it is. > > The NeXT article is a GUI comparsion between Apple,OS/2,NeXTSTEP, > and X windows. Actually reading the article again; it's your > basic the is what NeXT does. Programming is a breeze, Display > Postscipt, not many apps (yet), Pantone color matching (they > really liked that), and all the UNIX network stuff. > > Sorry for not really giving the second article, but it's the same > old stuff, just more positive. Like I said - I'm just amazed > that it can in a Windows magazine, but hey, they need to know > that Windows is going to get bowled over by NeXTSTEP :) > > Dean > > -- > NeXTmail Please | More computer stuff! > | > dean@thrall.com | - My wife > | > Wow, mabey I'll have to give this magazine a little more credit than I had in the past. (I picked up an issue once and was dissapointed by every page) -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: BaNG CD-ROM? Message-ID: <1993Feb18.220758.12723@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <00968516.196ED7DC@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Distribution: na,local Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 22:07:58 GMT citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU writes > O.K. Steve J. spoke at last night's BaNG meeting. O.K. > BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BaNG CD-ROM!? > The BANG CD-ROM was distributed to all members present. Presumably it will be mailed to all other members. It looks quite nice. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What Happens to the SuperDrive Message-ID: <1993Feb18.223314.172527@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 22:33:14 GMT References: <1993Feb17.185800.1350@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <1993Feb17.185800.1350@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes: > > Assuming we obtain 486 boxes to run NeXTSTEP, what happens to > those 2.88 MB diskettes? Can newer 486 boxes read them, or > will Peripheral Land suddenly have to ramp up their production > of external floppy drives? > > ........ Henry A Teac 2.88 MB floppy can be picked up for ~$100. IBM has them in their model 57 PCs. I imagne any OEM selling NS machines will include them. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The changing of NeXT's vision. Message-ID: <1m14g4INNit@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: 18 Feb 93 23:01:24 GMT References: <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> Organization: the Borg In article <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> matt%mattcube@concert.net (Matthew M. Stecker) writes: > <stuff deleted about the NeXT vision> > Unfortunately, that vision has become faded. Listen to what Jobs said > in a recent Infoworld interview: > > "We have fantastic applications. But we're not saying > 'Buy NeXTStep because it has a better presentation package.' > We believe customers should look at NeXTStep initially > because of their mission-critical apps problems. > > He's targeting NeXT only to this narrow corporate world. It's just a > shame. What happened to changing the world? What happened to UNIX for mere > mortals? Perhaps Jobs has gotten older. Perhaps the demands of his new family > make it harder to chase after his dream in the way he truly wants. > I'm afraid Mr. Jobs is a great visionaire but once again, he has been driven to a way he didn't foresee (like what happened to him at Apple). But perhaps he is getting older and getting tired of becoming just a visionaire. > I have written this lengthy piece largely to figure out why I've been > so sad lately. I suppose that it saddens me that I've been forced to become a > little bit colder and cynical about the idea of 'vision'. I really believed in > the vision that was NeXT, and now I feel betrayed - explicitly excluded from > the small piece of the vision that remains. > > All of this may seem completely absurd to many. For most, it seems, a > computer is only a tool - not much more interesting to the corporate consumer > than the desk chair. Why become attached to it? Why really care? Don't you > have better things to believe in? Why not buy the cheapest that will do the > job? > I agree with you completely. I would (and still will) give up a lot to work at a company like NeXT, to be part of a couple of people who are changing the way people think about their computers. I think NeXT has reached that goal (every major computer company talks about Obeject Oriented Operating Systems) a little bit. But it looks like the computer industry has become mature, diversity is not welcome anymore. Of course it is quite logical if one looks at how much money has been invested in information systems the last few years. And if you look at how much effort people have had to spent to use that technology one might understand that people who have to make decisions want to get as much as possible out of those investments, and that means holding on to the past. By offering NeXTSTEP for Intel boxes, NeXT gives those people an opportunity to hold on to their former believes while taking a peek at the future. I hope it turns out right. Now this move can hardly be called visionary but is a logical business decision. I'm afraid I have not a lot of trust in the future of computing when even Steve Jobs is becoming a business man... If there is someone with a company of vision out there I'd like to hear from you. Good luck to you all (and please stop arguing about the demise of NeXT hardware, let's talk about how to make NeXTSTEP a success in the non-NeXT infected world out there!) Annard
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What Happens to the SuperDrive Message-ID: <1m14inINNph@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: 18 Feb 93 23:02:47 GMT References: <1993Feb17.185800.1350@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Organization: the Borg In article <1993Feb17.185800.1350@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes: > > Assuming we obtain 486 boxes to run NeXTSTEP, what happens to > those 2.88 MB diskettes? IBM ships their new PC's with 2.88MB drives, so I gues the clone-makers will follow obediently :-)) Annard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Some notes from the BaNG beeting Message-ID: <1993Feb19.000928.4823@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Sender: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us Organization: Trilithon Software References: <-g+4clr@rpi.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 00:09:28 GMT In article <-g+4clr@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: * rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) writes: * > As a side note apparently Sun is offering some kind of * > offer for NeXT users to trade in for SPARC systems * Note that the offer is for a machine running Solaris 2.x, * it isn't for a machine running NeXTSTEP. As such, it's * hardly a surprise that Sun would like to sell NeXT owners * some Sun machines... * I'll much rather keep my NeXTstations, and shoot for NeXTSTEP * on HP (or other high-power machines, including Sparc). Well said. Given I quit Sun after a nine year stint to develop for NeXTSTEP, going back to Solaris and Open Windows would be a definite leap forward into the 1980's I think. ........ Henry
From: bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Xtank on sonata Date: 19 Feb 1993 01:07:42 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1m1bsuINNt75@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Ok, I got alot of requests for Xtank so I will put it on sonata. It has all of the NeXT defines built in so it should compile with "little" difficulty. I take no credit for the port I just can't remember who gave it to me. Jon
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <18567@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 00:55:24 GMT References: <1993Feb16.025537.17477@leland.Stanford.EDU> <C2Iv8x.n1G@acsu.buffalo.edu> <C2KA8A.LB8@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Yes, that's right, boys and girls, all of our NeXT hardware and all of our NeXT software will just go up in a puff of smoke. After all, there can be no NeXT presence any more. Sheesh. There is a hell of a lot more NeXT presence than there is Windows/NT or Taligent or Cairo. I'm not sure about OS/2, but I doubt there are too many more people who know about OS/2 than who know about NeXTstep. There just isn't any NeXT hardware on the horizon. That is *IT*. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Law of the Perversity of Nature: You cannot successfully determine beforehand which side of the bread to butter.
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why stop if it works? Message-ID: <18568@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 01:08:28 GMT References: <1993Feb17.090448.9000@coe.montana.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM I imagine it would be awfully hard to try and get NeXTstep licensed to other hardware platforms if NeXT was continuing to make hardware. Also, let's look at what's going on. NeXT's hardware has not had one big improvement since the NeXTstation was introduced back in 1990. They were just made moderately low end color and a little faster. The only innovation was the software. Whether or not 3.0 over 2.x is a major improvement isn't that relevant; it's more than the hardware made. Now, NeXT could continue to make hardware and maybe still turn a small profit. Maybe. Considering the rest of the competition is getting farther and farther away, who knows. The only way they'd make a profit is if people were willing to commit to NeXT hardware because of NeXT software (which, essentially, is why they sold any NeXT machines at all). How long would that last, with NeXT topping out at 25 MIPS and 100+ MIPS machines cost less? While 25 MIPS is just fine for most people's current needs, you add in network video support (try it over 10Mb/s Ethernet -- which you're locked in to -- it's painful) and you'll need more horsepower. NeXT's hardware was not their strength. NeXT's software is. Do you really think it would make sense for NeXT to dedicate resources to something that just isn't going to do very well, when they can potentially bring in the gold with their software? Look at it this way. WHEN NeXTstep is released on a wide range of platforms and does very, very well, we, as NeXTstep users, will get more software to choose from due to increased market AND a whizbang development environment. (which is all that matters for 98% of computer users). I for one am looking forward to a *REAL* word processor that doesn't cost me $500. All this whining about your hardware not having more of its kind is pointless. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Can one concatenate ps files? Message-ID: <1993Feb18.174745.999@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:47:45 GMT Anybody know if there's a way to concatenate .ps (postscript) files? Thanks. -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wln@cs.columbia.edu (William Lee Nussbaum) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP articles (summary) Message-ID: <C2oq1n.2C9@cs.columbia.edu> Sender: news@cs.columbia.edu (The Daily News) Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science References: <1993Feb17.174203.25549@nwnexus.WA.COM> <1993Feb18.221201.164475@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 07:27:23 GMT In article <1993Feb18.221201.164475@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: >In article <1993Feb17.174203.25549@nwnexus.WA.COM> dean@thrall.com (Dean >Johnson) writes: >> >> >> OK, as promised here is the NeXTSTEP articles that appeared in >> Windows magazine (March 1993). These are only summaries; the >> articles are actually about other subjects (486 chip and GUIs) >> I am only going to reprint the NeXT parts. Enjoy! >> > >Wow, mabey I'll have to give this magazine a little more credit than I had >in the past. (I picked up an issue once and was dissapointed by every >page) Don't worry... it hasn't improved. The comments were surprisingly pleasant compared to the rest of the content, which reminded you every few lines that 'we're just evaluating these so you know what may be in future versions of Windows,' since, of course, Microsoft will _eventually_ do all this for its faithful. ...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <C2or35.JLt@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C2n0As.7Aq@utstat.toronto.edu> <1993Feb18.173111.8865@dvorak.amd.com> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 07:49:52 GMT In article <1993Feb18.173111.8865@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: [ ] > >There's no logic here. (and I do have an .edu address >"rpomeroy@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu" by the way) Well, I consider my position to be rational. Moreover, I can't be expected to read your mind re the .com address. > >I look forward to the day when all those Suns, HPs, PCs, and NeXTs at the >university (and there are LOTS of Suns in academia) are unified under NeXTSTEP >(as opposed to NT). What would you rather see ? NeXTSTEP on black hardware >only ??? I'd like to see an integrated hardware and software solution. In my opinion, NeXT has gone off the deep end. In any case if you think that NS is going to be anything but a bit player on the PC, etc...then you're dreaming in ND colour (realtime). > >I guess I'm just an incurable optimist. No kidding...must be nice. However some of us are not in the habit of buying expensive workstations every few months. Moreover I see NS 486 as being a disaster. > >If more people would focus on the opportunities this situation presents, we >would be in much better shape. Why? There is really little need for the NeXT of today. There was a big need for the dreamers of yesteryear. NeXT has lost some of its most enthusiastic supportors in the past few weeks. This can't be discounted and is certainly not made up for by any number of car manufacturers purchases of NS 486. What can I say? NeXt has joined the ranks of the boring group. I'd rather have an Amiga at this point. Philip McDunnough philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lnb@netcom.com (Nick Brosnahan) Subject: Window Titles Message-ID: <1993Feb19.073600.25717@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 07:36:00 GMT I'm sorry if this is in the FAQ. Is there a way to have the shell update the title of a NS 3.0 window as there is with X? Also, there was recently a posting about shell commands to bring up dialog boxes with simple questions. Anybody remember? Please direct me to the answer. Thanks. Email to lnb@netcom.com -- L. Nicholas Brosnahan, Jr. INTERNET: lnb@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ca2ee209@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Ho Ling Cherd) Subject: Re: NeXT's future... Message-ID: <1993Feb19.082522.24349@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) References: <5880@disuns2.epfl.ch> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 08:25:22 GMT With the existance of the NeXTCube, NeXTDemiension etc etc before, many people has chosen expensive Mac and PC running windows despite their poorer performance over NeXT with NeXTStep. Now, without the cool hardwares, how many people (people not used to unix, programming kind of stuff) would likely choose NeXTStep over Windows if they are getting 486's? Even the Big Blue's OS/2 has trouble compete with Windows, how long can the NeXTStep stay?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gary@uranus.isr.recruit.co.jp Subject: mpeg for 16bit color NeXTstation Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <gary.93Feb19215741@uranus.isr.recruit.co.jp> Sender: news@isr.recruit.co.jp Organization: Media Design Center, Recruit Co. Ltd., Tokyo, JAPAN Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 12:57:41 GMT I have ported Version 2.0 of the public domain MPEG decoder from Berkeley Plateau Research Group. The port is specifically optimized for 16bit color NeXTstations. However it should also work reasonably well on NeXTdimensions. I don't know what the performance is since I use a NeXTdimension. The performance on a NeXTDimension is 5.5 frames/sec for a 120x160 frame. It should do better on a NeXTstation. You can ftp it from ftp.isr.recruit.co.jp (133.194.10.3) in the directory pub/next. The name of the file is mpeg_next.tar.Z. Thanks, Gary gary@isr.recruit.co.jp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: URGENT: UHDiagramKit Palettes wanted Message-ID: <C2p6yF.LAp@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 13:32:39 GMT Last October John Glover had indicated to me that he would send or place on the archives the UHDiagramKit. Well, I have not heard from him since them and could not find anything other than the DiagramTester.app on the archives ! However, we are now running desperate! We need to have a tool kit like this ASAP ! I tried to send e-mail to john a couple of days ago and he did not respond. I assume he is on a trip, so I had to ask the Net. Can anybody out there point out where can I find these palettes ? We would greatly appreciate any pointers Anxiously waiting, -- john m. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 404-7176 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 08:50:07 EST From: Floyd L. Roberts <U5CAB@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> Message-ID: <93050.085008U5CAB@wvnvm.wvnet.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Western Digital vs. SMC Ethernet cards References: <18524@umd5.umd.edu> SMC bought Western Digital, at least the division that makes Ethernet Carsd. I have been using both with no problems.
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New version of emacs-18.59 posted Message-ID: <ANDERSON.93Feb19092456@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 14:24:56 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Distribution: comp Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University A few months ago, when emacs-18.59 first appeared, I compiled it for NeXT OS3.0 and posted the binaries (plus support files) on sonata and cs.orst.edu. Various people had trouble with that package (mostly because they didn't see that they were supposed to unpack it with gnutar, not tar). Also, a bug was recently reported to me that made emacs crash under certain circumstances. The bug now appears to be fixed, and I have rebuilt the tarfile (using tar this time, not gnutar). New copies have been posted in the submissions directories of sonata.cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu. The README file is included below. --Steve Anderson <anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> ----------------------(emacs-18.59.README)---------------------------- The file emacs-18.59.tar.Z is (as the name suggests) a compressed tarfile containing everything you need to run version 18.59 of emacs on a NeXT. It contains executables for emacs, etags and ctags, as well as the info, lisp, etc. and lock directories. This version of emacs has been compiled under NeXT OS3.0, and will only run under 3.0 (at least until 3.x, x>0 comes out....) These files must be installed in /usr/local/{bin,lib}. To do so, become root and do the following: cd /usr/local zcat < [wherever the tarfile is]/emacs-18.59.tar.Z | tar -xvpf - You can probably remove most of the contents of the local/lib/emacs/etc directory, except for the DOC files (and perhaps the executables). The info directory cantains info files for gcc-2.3.3 and libg++-2.3, bison, ispell-3.0, and other things I have on my system. If you don't have (or want) these things, you could replace the whole directory EXCEPT THE FILES info/emacs* with the files you already have in /usr/lib/emacs/info. How to do this is left as an exercise for the intelligent reader. This copy of emacs includes a fix for a bug that caused emacs to crash when doing "apropos" on certain expressions under both version 18.55 (distributed by NeXT) and 18.59 (as previously distributed by me or compiled from the currently available sources). The fix for this problem was provided by Richard M. Stallman. --Steve Anderson <anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu>
From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Date: 19 Feb 1993 15:35:51 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1m2uon$61s@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <C2or35.JLt@utstat.toronto.edu> In article <C2or35.JLt@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > > What can I say? NeXt has joined the ranks of the boring group. I'd rather have > an Amiga at this point. > > Philip McDunnough > philip@utstat.toronto.edu Oh wow Philip- that was ugly, ugly, ugly! ;-) -Bill -- _ _|_______====___H____/===_====_====_====_====_===\____H___====_____ |_______| [[[[ \### &&&&&&&&&&&&||&&&&&&&&&&&& ###/ [[[[ | _______| [][] |____ """ UNION | | PACIFIC """ | |o ____| UP |__| \___________________|_ |____________________/\_________|| |_| / |__74__| \_| | | | | | || | | | | | | | / \| | ||| |_|=|====|======|===|===\/=================================|=\/=|======|===|_| |_| [(o)=(o)=(o)=(o)]|_________________||________________[(o)=(o)=(o)=(o)]|_| ============================================================================== ] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] 5000 H.P. Track Staightener It's orphaned hardware too!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: Mass Purchase of Intel Hardware Message-ID: <C2pFEL.L0@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: Intel,486,NeXTSTEP,Beta,ANDI Sender: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 16:35:08 GMT ANDI has been working with the manufacturers of Intel hardware who expect to support NeXTSTEP. As a service to the development community we are negotiating for volume discounts from the manufacturers. Commitments to ANDI for special pricing have been made by Altima and Goldstar with Dell and Epson expected to provide special pricing in the next few days. NEC indicated that they are interested but cannot comment at the moment. For more information on offering from these vendors and info on offerings from other vendors (Compaq, Gateway, Toshiba), please send me mail. Indicate if you can receive NeXTmail or ASCII. Ask to be put on the Mass Purchase Update list. This report also details specific offerings from each vendor with future updates to include how to apply for resale if you are a dealer/VAR, comments on levels of support for NeXTSTEP by each vendor. ANDI is also providing reports on where to find reviews of monitors, peripherals, user surveys on vendor satisfaction. We hope to hear from you. We here to help. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613 -- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director
From: bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Fortran & prices Date: 19 Feb 1993 16:51:15 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor I am interested in hearing any opinions on the relative merits of Absoft F77 and NAG F90 for the NeXT computer. I also understand that several campus bookstores sell NAG F90 (Cornell for one) at a reduced price. My university doesn't sell it through the bookstore, and I would be interested in knowing the price at which it is being sold to students ( I am trying to arrange a similar deal at U of Michigan). Any thoughts, comments, or suggestions would be appreciated....Thanks...Bruce Distribution: world Message-ID: <1m3363INNmse@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@oas.stgt.sub.org (Operator) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <1993Feb18.234451.629@oas.stgt.sub.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: Pirmin's Next. References: <C2KA8A.LB8@utstat.toronto.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 23:44:51 GMT Philip McDunnough (philip@utstat.toronto.edu) wrote: : NeXT can't compete with either Microsoft or IBM. It's far too late for that. Concerning IBM, NeXT can. There isn't much marketing power behind OS/2. In Germany the OS/2 business has been cut off and passed to independend computer stores. In Computerworld we're told, they want completely get rid of it. The recent ads seem to aim towards low end market and hobby user. : for OS/2. Why on earth would they spend $1000 to follow someone who may : decide to market fish next week? Steve Jobs may have good taste, but $1000 is about the amount a serious programmer costs at ONE DAY. In softwareprojects where you do individual adaption i.e. downsizing this is nothing. The main questions are 1: how long will we need? 2: how can we achieve a sufficient quality? 3: how hard will be maintanance? Prices of hardware or operating systems on this small machines come at last. -- *** Greetings from Pirmin *** NeXTmail welcome. Voice +49 711 573985
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: jonv@ptnext.claremont.edu (Jon Vestal) Subject: Help Compiling Perl Message-ID: <1993Feb19.165956.14194@muddcs.claremont.edu> Sender: news@muddcs.claremont.edu (The News System) Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 16:59:56 GMT Hi, Can someone help me compile perl on a NeXT running NS 3.0. Everything seems to work except for the getgrgid. I've tryed compiling several ways using the builtin perl setgid and the C setgid. I thinks it is probably a problem with the type of int returned by getuid and getgid. Any help would be appreciated. Jon Vestal Systems Technician Pitzer College jonv@ptnext.claremont.edu
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: STOP! Message-ID: <ANDERSON.93Feb19120241@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 17:02:41 GMT References: <1993Feb16.140810.2344@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> <C2MMy9.1CK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University In-reply-to: jeffo@uiuc.edu's message of 18 Feb 93 04:25:21 GMT >>>>> On 18 Feb 93 04:25:21 GMT, jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) said: JN> [...] The graphics are great to me, I just wish I could move JN> this darn dock right and left so it would stop etching a silly JN> NeXT logo and dock column on my screen (anyone could have told JN> them the dock needed global movement back when the dock was on JN> the drawing board). With such a low amount of screen area to JN> work with, that dock area might be handy if I ever could get it JN> just shift it to the right. You can't move it right or left, but you can move it up and down. Just drag the cube icon down and you can free up all of the screen real estate except for one icon's worth in the lower right hand corner. I flip the dock down whenever I'm not actually doing doing anything that requires access to it, and I keep the most useful icons at the top so I can expose just e.g. the mail notifier. Probably doesn't prevent burn-in (since in practice the whole dock is still in the same place a lot of the time, but it helps a bit. --Steve Anderson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu (Andre Robotewskyj) Subject: HOW TO OBTAIN INFAMOUS "DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN"*** Message-ID: <1993Feb19.181504.2763@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 18:15:04 GMT Hello, Over the past few months, a paper entitled, "Does America Say Yes To Japan?" (Louis Leclerc 1992) has been circulated over various computer networks and BBS's. Public response has been overwhelmingly positive. The paper addresses the issue of U.S.-Japanese trade in the context of our uncertain economic future. Mr. Leclerc provides the reader with a wealth of referenced background and historical information concerning our relations with Japan, as well as important facts concerning ongoing developments which directly effect every American consumer/worker. The paper, however, is not published and so is only available in the form of circulating hard copies or electronic format. Anyone interested in obtaining a copy of "Does America Say Yes to Japan" please send email to: ar12@quads.uchicago.edu Andre
From: caro@adobe.com (Perry A. Caro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The changing of NeXT's vision. Message-ID: <1993Feb19.183548.4347@adobe.com> Date: 19 Feb 93 18:35:48 GMT References: <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> <1993Feb18.013545.9330@prim> Sender: caro@adobe.UUCP Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View In article <1993Feb18.013545.9330@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >In article <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> mattmattcube@concert.net writes: >>something >>that could actually change people's lives - something that would change >>fundamentally the way people worked, the way people felt about information, and >>at a fundamental level, the way people thought. > >That's a very romantic, but in a way very nerdy view, early Steve Jobs, the >idea that technology could revolutionize people's lives. [...] >Computers remain just tools to get a job done. Hear, hear! Companies in this industry either have too much vision, or none at all. Apple and Sun seem to be the only hardware companies that, at one time in their history, struck the perfect balance. Actually, Apple almost doesn't make it. It achieved balance only by averaging the seesawing between the two extremes of too much vision, and practically none. Why can't we have companies that revolutionize the way we do things by being one part vision and ninety-nine parts business savvy? Revolutionary ideas are worse than useless if you can't turn them into successful products. Experience suggests that this is the correct ratio. NeXT has always seemed to have this ratio backwards. Perry -- caro@mv.us.adobe.com ...!{sun}!adobe!caro Contents: my opinions, no others
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net (Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: CD Audio autoplay? Message-ID: <1993Feb19.191712.1453@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: UNC School of Law, CC for NeXT Computer, Inc. Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 19:17:12 GMT Hello, I remember discussion here about what to do to allow a NeXT CD Rom drive to autostart the CDPlayer application when an audio disc is inserted. Can someone summarize and email me? Right now, I can only play CD audio discs if I start the application by hand. Thanks!! Matthew M. Stecker UNC School of Law. -- matt stecker | This is my NeXT Computer NeXT Campus Consultant, | There are many like it, UNC School of Law | but this one is mine.
From: wick@stone.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <1993Feb19.185555.696@stone.com> Date: 19 Feb 93 18:55:55 GMT Article-I.D.: stone.1993Feb19.185555.696 References: <C2or35.JLt@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: wick@stone.com Distribution: usa Organization: Stone Design Corp In article <C2or35.JLt@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > > NeXT has lost some of its most enthusiastic supportors in the past few weeks. And just who are these supporters that NeXT has lost? Probably one of the biggest supporters is the government, and they are still buying up stations in droves. > What can I say? NeXt has joined the ranks of the boring group. I'd rather have > an Amiga at this point. > Who's stopping you? > Philip McDunnough > philip@utstat.toronto.edu pete -- Peter Wickersham | "whatever you do Stone Design | take care of wick@stone.com | your shoes" phish
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT in Transition as a software company Message-ID: <6841@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 19 Feb 93 21:41:53 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Re: NeXT in Transition as a software company I hope that the following information from NeXT helps you. Additional information regarding specific questions that you may have will be forthcoming. Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Group Program _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1) NeXT is planning on notifying all of its customers about the details of our ongoing commitment to customers who have purchased NeXT's Motorola-based products. NeXT intends to continue to support both their hardware and software investment. 2) The recent transition document paper was designed for industry and analysts and the press to provide background NeXT's decision to leave the hardware business and focus on software. It was not intended to provide detailed plans on how NeXT would continue to honor commitments to our existing customers, who are very, very important to NeXT. We decided to share the transition backgrounder with the entire NeXT community, but did not intend that piece to answer all the questions about our transition to software - just the highest level 'rationale' for the overall transition. 3) We had hoped to announce the details of our customer support plans. Because the press preempted us, our announcements are not as 'simultaneous' as we would have liked. But details about ongoing customer support will be forthcoming, very, very soon. We DO plan to maintain the value of our customers' investment in NeXT's hardware. And, most importantly, everyone at NeXT, from company's senior executives on down, recognizes the importance of those who have adopted NeXTSTEP before NeXTSTEP became a more 'mainstream' operating system platform. We care and will continue to care about them.
From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Exporting CD-ROM thru NFS Message-ID: <1993Feb19.211326.18436@serval.net.wsu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 21:13:26 GMT Article-I.D.: serval.1993Feb19.211326.18436 Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Could someone who has had experience exporting with NFS and the CD-ROM drive on the NeXT please give me some help? I am having a devil of a time trying to export a CD-ROM over NFS. I can seem to import the directory on another machine, but I can only look at the directories. I can change the directories and look at the file listing, but I cannot open or look into the files. ARGH!!!! Please send help! -- *********************************************************************** * John Burke * * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * jburke@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu * ***********************************************************************
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BCS-NeXT meeting Tuesday, March 2nd Message-ID: <6843@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 19 Feb 93 22:17:22 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy BCS-NeXT Meeting Tuesday, March 2nd. 7:00 pm MIT Room 1-190 Boston, MA Is it a Database? Is it a Filesystem? Is it a set of dynamic objects? The answer is YES! ------------------ Come and see the future at the BCS-NeXT meeting Tuesday, March 2nd. Object Design, Inc. (ODI) will be presenting their object-oriented database technology which, in a recent agreement with NeXT, Inc. will be the foundation of the next Release (4.0) of the NeXTSTEP operating environment. If you've heard about NeXTSTEP's ease of use, power, and flexibility, imagine what the next version will be like when all your filesystem and data needs are transparently solved: programs will manipulate EXACTLY THE SAME objects, but they now persist through time, can be shared with other users, and can be archived, all automatically! In combination with the distributed objects paradigm introduced in Release 3.0 of NeXTSTEP (which allows object messages to transparently cross process and network boundaries), this new object foundation will set Release 4.0 even further ahead of any other commercial development environment. Forget about Taligent and Cairo, come and see the future today!! Attendees can expect some raucous, random fun from the traditional Rumor-Of-The-Month contest and can learn more about NeXTSTEP facts, history, and future during the Q&A period. Ask questions about the Object Management Group (OMG) and enjoy a dinner of chaotic but socially uplifting technical talk. ONE NIGHT ONLY! Tuesday, March 2nd. 7:00 pm MIT Room 1-190
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Metrosoft announces MetroTools 1.4 Message-ID: <6844@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 19 Feb 93 22:41:11 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Mary Donnelly Metrosoft Phone: (619) 488-9411 Fax: (619) 488-3045 E-mail: info@metrosoft.com (NeXTmail welcome) Metrosoft announces MetroTools 1.4 San Diego, CA, February 22, 1993 - Metrosoft announced today that it is shipping a 1.4 version of MetroTools. MetroTools consists of a Font Installer, Application Launcher, NiteLite, Archiver, File Locator, and Sound Importer. New features include: - NiteLite screen saver runs during the NeXTSTEP login window. - Many aesthetic and user-interface enhancements - Application Launcher enhancements - Printing of on-line help, archive contents lists and file locator lists "There have been over 60 enhancements made to MetroTools since 1.0 shipped, not including bug fixes. Nearly 50 of these enhancements were made after the positive review in the Winter 1992 issue of NeXTWORLD magazine, which concluded that 'Value and convenience recommend this bag of tricks'. That was even printed prior to our substantial price reduction", said Gordon Van Huizen, President of Metrosoft. MetroTools 2.0 (available for NeXTWORLD Expo '93) will be both NeXTSTEP and NeXTSTEP/Intel compatible. Metrosoft guarantees that current owners of MetroTools will be continually updated and that in no means is the product being discontinued for use on NeXT computers. MetroTools 1.4 is a free upgrade to all registered owners. Only a shipping and handling fee is required, please call Metrosoft directly. Educational, developer and quantity discounts are available. MetroTools is available through NeXTConnection and NeXT resellers. Metrosoft is a San Diego based company specializing in the development of multimedia applications for desktop workstations.
From: Doug_Smith@Novell.COM (J. Douglas Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: .signature file Message-ID: <C2pwKr.MJt@Novell.COM> Date: 19 Feb 93 22:46:03 GMT Sender: usenet@Novell.COM (Usenet News) Organization: Novell, Inc. Is there a way to get the NeXT Mail app to use the ~/.signature file? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Doug Smith Novell, INC. UNIX Desktop Group Internet: jdsmith@novell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) Subject: Re: NeXT speaks at BANG (poll results impolite) Message-ID: <1993Feb19.235653.24585@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <9302182146.AA17656@alychne-nc.canon.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 23:56:53 GMT In article <9302182146.AA17656@alychne-nc.canon.com> ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) writes: > > > As an aside, when polled afterwards, most people said the evening hadn't > changed their minds about how they felt about NeXT, ... (Actually the question was whether they felt better or not.) I really don't see why so many people voted that way. I mean even if they DID feel that way it was incredibly impolite not to acknowledge the effort Steve and company put in that evening. Standing there and answering questions honestly the way they did was great. I certainly felt better afterwards even if I did still have some unresolved concerns. Sometimes I think the computing community can be pretty thoughtless. The results of that poll may have guarenteed that Steve'll never bother to appear publically at BANG again. Personally I'd like to see that sort of thing from Next on a quarterly basis. (and I would feel better each time just knowing that they cared enough to come and answer my questions in person even if I didn't like the answers) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Colello Carnegie Institution, Department of Plant Biology Stanford University gcolello@biosphere.stanford.edu (NeXT mail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: dave@hp1.holl.com (David Vrona) Subject: Re: ZyXEL voicemail for NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Feb19.185017.19068@hp1.holl.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 18:50:17 GMT References: <1993Feb12.110732.25853@alf.uib.no> Organization: Hollister Incorporated, Libertyville, IL In article <1993Feb12.110732.25853@alf.uib.no> edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes: >I remember reading a posting (from Germany, I think) about a (beta?) >voicemail system for NeXTSTEP. I beleive it was shareware. > >I would like to get a copy of this program, but haven't found it in >any of the usual NeXT archives (orst/sonata), and since I don't >remember the name I can't use Archie (well, I _could_, but the Finnish >Archie server is down, and I think the file is too new to show up). > FlexFax is on sgi.com. Has anybody ported it to SVR3/4 yet? -- David Vrona N9QNZ +1 708 680 2829 (voice) Hollister Incorporated +1 708 680 2123 (fax) 2000 Hollister Drive Internet: dave@hp1.holl.com Libertyville, IL 60048-3781 UUCP: {well connected}!ddsw1!hp1!dave Opinions expressed are my own and not those of Hollister Incorporated.
From: iq@next16pg2.wam.umd.edu (Christopher Winston Herbst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Floppy Block Editor Message-ID: <1993Feb19.155131.14562@wam.umd.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 15:51:31 GMT Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Does anyone know of a sector editor for the Next computer?? A program that will let me edit the actual sectors on the disk, not just the file info, like for a damaged disk or something that you need to get detailed to repair. I want to make sure that you know I am talking about the floppy drive. anyone???? -iq-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: NeXT Fortran & prices Message-ID: <tlm.730166175@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1m3363INNmse@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 23:56:15 GMT In <1m3363INNmse@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) writes: I've cut/pasted the original header from this article as it appeared on my newsreader (nn): From: bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor I am interested in hearing any opinions on the relative merits of Absoft F77 and NAG F90 for the NeXT computer. I also understand that several campus bookstores sell NAG F90 (Cornell for one) at a reduced price. My university doesn't sell it through the bookstore, and I would be interested in knowing the price at which it is being sold to students ( I am trying to arrange a similar deal at U of Michigan). Any thoughts, comments, or suggestions would be appreciated....Thanks...Bruce Date: 19 Feb 1993 16:51:15 GMT Subject: NeXT Fortran & prices ==================================================================== and NO ACTUAL ARTICLE FOLLOWED. I was just wondering if this guy has a deal whereby he pays per word for his posts, but the orginization field is included for free? :) :) TLM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vm@madeline.umhc.umn.edu (Voice 2 Mail) Subject: Re: NeXT speaks at BANG (poll results impolite) Message-ID: <C2q6Mx.LuH@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <1993Feb19.235653.24585@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 02:23:20 GMT As you state below, "Standing there and answering questions honestly..." You're buying too much of this, Greg. This is the same cat who line-itemed 300 people in order to save his butt. Read the InfoWorld 'interview' this week. As you read the last lines (something like, "... wish us luck!") think of those 300 people who had their butts on the line for corporate. The 1-2 mos. of severance time may be considered gracious by some, but our SE (who started in December) was transplanted here and is now pretty dis-illusioned. Why shouldn't he be? There's never a substitute of a good and clear plan. Further, the severance package for those who were cut late last summer was 4-6 mos. and a few more bennies compared to what these people got. Call corporate on the toll line and listen to it ring (4 calls unanswered at 10 rings yesterday alone). Is this a thriving company? If you get someone inside corporate, ask if any one there knows the paperwork to process a W-2, cut a check, or other rudimentary processes. Can anyone else hear the thrashing sounds? (Imagine the panic inside that you can't hear from standing on the hardwood floors???) I, as a consultant, have personally felt the panic as well. Two gigs cancelled within a day or two of last tuesday's news. Cancelled, not postponed. Who can blame them? (now start humming America the Beautiful or some other patriotic song...) NeXTSTEP is the coolest environment that I've ever worked in bar none. Once we get past SJ's mis-management and get the company owned/managed by a responsible group/company it will be a god-send for all of us. Even sj. Cutting hardware back was something that had to be done, cutting it all together 4-6 months SHORT of having commerical software on other hardware is gutsy. (this is not a start-up company) I'd like to see him pull it off. We can't help the company anymore (they have no products that we can buy or help sell), so it's totally up to him. With this being his chosen path, he better be up-beat and seem openly candid about the current plan! Let's hope developers can make it a bit longer than NeXT's sales force! vm my $0.01 worth (it was too long to be worth $0.02) In article <1993Feb19.235653.24585@leland.Stanford.EDU> gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) writes: > In article <9302182146.AA17656@alychne-nc.canon.com> ssircar@canon.com > (Subrata Sircar) writes: > > > > > > As an aside, when polled afterwards, most people said the evening hadn't > > changed their minds about how they felt about NeXT, ... > > (Actually the question was whether they felt better or not.) > > I really don't see why so many people voted that way. I mean even if they > DID feel that way it was incredibly impolite not to acknowledge the effort > Steve and company put in that evening. Standing there and answering > questions honestly the way they did was great. I certainly felt better > afterwards even if I did still have some unresolved concerns. Sometimes I > think the computing community can be pretty thoughtless. > > The results of that poll may have guarenteed that Steve'll never bother to > appear publically at BANG again. Personally I'd like to see that sort of > thing from Next on a quarterly basis. (and I would feel better each time > just knowing that they cared enough to come and answer my questions in > person even if I didn't like the answers) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg Colello > Carnegie Institution, Department of Plant Biology > Stanford University > gcolello@biosphere.stanford.edu (NeXT mail OK)
From: midiapolis@cup.portal.com (Gerard Thomas Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rhythm King sample drum player ships from MIDIapolis Systems Message-ID: <76075@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 18:08:11 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world ************************************************************** This article posted to announce, did not show up, so.... ************************************************************** Contact: Gerard Schwarz MIDIapolis Systems For immediate release 612-822-1604 MIDIapolis Systems ships Rhythm King rhythm pattern sound sample programmer & player for NeXTstep computers. MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota, February 16 1993 -- MIDIapolis Systems today began shipping Rhythm King patter sound sample programmer & player for NeXTstep computers. Rhythm King turns a user's NeXTstep computer into a drum pattern creator and sound sample player. It lets users become the drummers they've always wanted to be (only they don't have to lug the equipment). "This is another step in our continued commitment to developing sound and music applications for NeXTstep. We expect to see more and more users in 1993 find the power that NeXTstep holds for the music market," said Gerard Schwarz, president of MIDIapolis Systems. Rhythm King lets users compose, edit, and play sequences of sound events with push-button ease. Sounds may be high-quality, professionally recorded drum sound samples, home-made vocal sounds, "scratch" music from recordings, or any other sound that a user captuers on a NeXTstep computer. Additionally, users can load and play the CD-quality (44.1 kHz) SoundBursts: Percussion and SoundBursts: Effects collections. Up to 32 tracks (soundfiles) may be played back at one time. Users have the ability to create, load and save patterns, soundfiles and drum sets (kits of soundfiles). Users may control the playback's tempo, direction and volume in real-time as well as individual track control of gain, pan, phase pan, mute and solo. The Rhythm King package includes hard-copy documentation as well as drum soundfiles and patterns to get users up and drumming right away. Rhythm King was designed by Peter Langston, a musician with over 25 years experience as a computer researcher and nearly 30 years of experience as a composer and performer of popular music. NeXTstep is the most powerful and easy to use interface available today. NeXTstep makes it a pleasure for users to work and play on their computers. Price and availability Rhythm King as well as all MIDIapolis Systems products are avaialbe from many NeXTstep dealers including NeXTConnection, Diskovery Educational Systems, Paget Press, & others worldwide. MIDIapolis Systems offers educational and site-license discounts on all of its products. Rhythm King is available now for a suggested list price of $XX. Rhythm King requires release 3.0 or higher of NeXTstep. MIDIapolis Systems, located in Minneapolis, Minnesota, is a software developer that specializes in music, sound, graphics, and general productivity software. Other MIDIapolis Systems NeXTstep products included SoundBursts: Digital Sound Collections, ArtBursts: Digital Art Collections, DayTripper personal/group time manager, and SoundHouse sound editor. MIDIapolis Systems also distributes WarpIt Transformation application for Black Adder Research, Inc. Trademarks: MIDIapolis Systems, SoundBursts, ArtBursts, and DayTripper are trademarks of MIDIapolis Systems. NeXTstep, NeXTConnection, and NeXT are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Rhythm King is a trademark of Peter Langston Associates. WarpIt and Black Adder Research are trademarks of Black Adder Research, Inc.
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Some notes from the BaNG beeting Message-ID: <18588@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 20 Feb 93 03:18:10 GMT References: <1993Feb18.053540.19538@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1m0g8bINNog4@gap.caltech.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <1m0g8bINNog4@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: >Damn. that means that we don't get bug fixes for 3.0 until NeXTstep/Intel >is ready. May 25th is already too long to wait for the bug fixes, but >based on previous history, there's no way it'll be out May 25th. That was my first reaction. But, think about it. "Based on previous history" may be the key -- they already debugged lots of stuff because they're using the same source tree. It could very well *be* ready on May 25. I agree, though, that was a longer wait than I had hoped for, for bug fixes. >Mark Adler >madler@cco.caltech.edu ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ A city is a large community where people are lonesome together -- Herbert Prochnow
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Any ideas on NeXT printers on 486s? Message-ID: <1993Feb19.113321.14532@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 11:33:21 EST Organization: Univ of Miami IR Does anyone have any idea if there will be adapters to use NeXT printers on 486 (or Pentium) machines running NeXTstep? I have two printers which work just great and I would like to be able to make a transition to future NeXTStep systems without having to buy yet another printer? I had thought about this problem before the recent announcement about dropping hardware but now it is somewhat more significant? Any ideas? - Is anyone working on something? Tom Herbert University of Miami
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby) Subject: Re: Getting too many NeXTWORLD Expo Annoucements Message-ID: <C2q9A7.IyL@sounds.wa.com> Sender: brianw@sounds.wa.com (Brian Willoughby) Organization: Sound Consulting, Bellevue, WA, USA References: <C21CLI.3Bv@newsflash.concordia.ca> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 03:20:31 GMT MATIS stephane writes | BTW, did we all get the same "prefered customer code" ? | | PCC L0ZTNU My "preferred customer code" is a subset of yours. I was told that NeXT sells access to their registered owners as some sort of mailing list service. Basically, you cannot get the names and addresses from NeXT, but you can instead send them everything you want to distribute and they'll forward it to a shop in Texas which will make sure everyone on the "private" list gets a mailing. So the criticisms that the ExPO people aren't using the latest mailing list technology (software thats even available to PC users) should be directed to NeXT Inc.! -- Brian Willoughby Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Consulting: Software Design and Development NeXTmail welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: Help! My mouse has a mind of its own! Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 07:32:20 GMT Message-ID: <C2qKxw.Epz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Feb18.172605.21444@Princeton.EDU> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Mark D. Doyle writes > I have the same thing happen to me once in a while. Never seemed to have > any adverse effects though. I haven't noticed any consistency to it > either (like what I was doing at the time). This is precisely what has happened to me as well, and precisely what I've noticed about it. That sudden jumping sure is weird though, isn't it? -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <C2qM19.4u8@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C2or35.JLt@utstat.toronto.edu> <1993Feb19.185555.696@stone.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 07:55:57 GMT In article <1993Feb19.185555.696@stone.com> wick@stone.com writes: [ ] >> >> NeXT has lost some of its most enthusiastic supportors in the past few >weeks. > >And just who are these supporters that NeXT has lost? Probably one of the >biggest supporters is the government, and they are still buying up stations >in droves. The government is always buying something. I doubt they are rabidly committed to NeXT. NeXT has lost (1) the academic community (2) most CC's and (3) the trust of most people who have given them 10 seconds of their thought processes. > >> What can I say? NeXt has joined the ranks of the boring group. I'd rather >have >> an Amiga at this point. >> > >Who's stopping you? Nothing, what's your point? Philip philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Jobs took it in the teeth Distribution: world Message-ID: <dillon.0uwt@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> References: <1993Feb11.061423.20487@fcom.cc.utah.edu> <C29xp5.4Ft@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 14:45:06 PST Organization: Not an Organization In article <C29xp5.4Ft@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >In article <1993Feb11.061423.20487@fcom.cc.utah.edu> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities) writes: > >>If you've recently sold your Cube in terror and are now using >>a PC running Windows, you _know_ that there really isn't a good choice of >>.. etc.. Well, personally, I think it was a good move. I wish Jobs figured it out sooner to make the transition less dramatic, but better late then never I say. I've never been impressed with NeXT hardware, though the problems have always been relatively minor...mono displays distorted around the edges, CD rom drive doesn't spin down, the need for hardware handshaking on serial ports not recognized until a year ago, internal cooling too close to the wire, bad keyboard layout, lack of cohesiveness between mono and color slabs, screwy floppy device, etc...), overmarketting of the Next laser printer when it is clearly not competitive nor expandable outside the rather narrow parameters considered, I never got the feeling of confidence or attention to detail with the hardware. The software has similar problems, and I hope the new focus NeXT is giving to NeXTStep will solve these problems... A very badly implemented printer driver interface that does not give object oriented design much of a good name, NeXT should have put in support for generic printers at the outset rather then restrict the driver to postscript. Currently you have to run through loops to write a non-postscript driver and I believe it was done on purpose it is so blatent. NeXT has fallen into the trap of adding new features to NeXTStep before fixing major bugs in previous releases, or hacking in temporary fixes to problems that really need to be solved with a rethinking of certain interfaces (i.e. the paging compression crap to fix the obvious deficiencies in mach's paging subsystem and lack of attention to memory usage). NeXT consistantly defers necessary fixes to highly critical low level drivers and medium to low level interface subsystems. Namely, the badly implemented SCSI and FS<->SCSI buffering. NeXT really, really needs to reimplement its window server model... the machine gets jerky for the sole reason that it is possible for one process to hog the display postscript interpreter. This is a case where the high-overhead mach subsystem led to bad implementation decisions. I would suggest taking a hint from some of the Amiga's subsystems which have the choice of running in the context of the calling task and using semaphores to lockout critical operations. NeXT's windowing system could use an overhaul along those lines to smooth out response times. Some of NeXT's new features for 3.0 are useless due to either poor core implementation or poor interface implementation. The 3D modeling routines, for example, are impossibly slow, and seem to be geared to batch operation rather then the real time display operation that they are being used for. The printer and fax subsystems, while improved, still have problems talking to the operating system and do not interface well to their daemons... when something goes wrong the driver either stops working completely or stops working properly. NeXT has ignored lockout problems with the tty devices, which refuse to let go a process that has been killed if it was blocked on a tty, causing problems not only with shutdown but also with deinstallation and reinstallation of software that use the serial ports. NeXT has ignored critical resource limiting calls that would save the machine from runaway processes. NeXT has paid little or no attention to software foulups cascading throughout the system and improperly effecting unassociated process (a reimplementation of the window manager to run in the context of the calling process, i.e. a multi-process manager instead of a server-style implementation would fix this to a great extent). The software is in many cases non-intuitive... for example, my NeXT for some reason thinks it is running off a network time daemon even when there is nothing connected to the ethernet, leaving no way to set the time through NeXTStep (you can do it with the 'date' command, of course). I have gone through every program on the NeXT and have yet to find a method of disabling this. Organization of documentation needs a LOT of work... Librarian is a farce. If you ask for something it brings up a thousand little entries which you must then open up manually to find the one you want. Librarian takes up most of the screen making it difficult to reference documentation while you are working, librarian maintains no history of previous searches you have done (silent or active) and does not allow you to prioritize your previous grunt work... For example, if I am looking for a particular method and it takes me 10 minutes of scanning to find it I damn well want librarian to remember which entry I had finally selected sos the NEXT time I look for that particular entry it comes up the first time without searching a thousand string matches. I want librarian to NOT open a huge window but instead open one big enough to fit the particular entry I have selected and place it in an appropriate position on the screen that does not interfere with my editor screen, and at LEAST have an option to not *active* the damn window for the scenario I've described so I don't have to fiddle with the mouse while I'm typing. Come on NeXT, THINK... just because you are using Objective-C doesn't mean your software is automatically usable, but if you intend to market your software as being the system of the future you had damn well better incorporate some attention to detail and usability. Your software doesn't adapt to the user, it barely remembers active preference options! If you want your software to outperform the world it must be able to dynamically adapt to usage situations. -Matt -- Matthew Dillon dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US 1005 Apollo Way uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: medmagic!bertlmm (Robert Bert) Subject: DSP Message-ID: <1993Feb19.145718.593@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Keywords: DSP. STEVE Jobs, Mistake Sender: bertlmm@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 14:57:18 GMT Does anyone out there know why SJ thinks the DSP is such a mistake? It's essential for an application I'm developing. RJB, MD-PhD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: medmagic!bertlmm (Robert Bert) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <1993Feb19.151125.651@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: bertlmm@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <C2or35.JLt@utstat.toronto.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 15:11:25 GMT In article <C2or35.JLt@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > In article <1993Feb18.173111.8865@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: > > [ ] > > > >There's no logic here. (and I do have an .edu address > >"rpomeroy@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu" by the way) > > Well, I consider my position to be rational. Moreover, I can't be expected > to read your mind re the .com address. > > > >I look forward to the day when all those Suns, HPs, PCs, and NeXTs at the > >university (and there are LOTS of Suns in academia) are unified under NeXTSTEP > >(as opposed to NT). What would you rather see ? NeXTSTEP on black hardware > >only ??? > > I'd like to see an integrated hardware and software solution. In my opinion, > NeXT has gone off the deep end. > > In any case if you think that NS is going to be anything but a bit player on > the PC, etc...then you're dreaming in ND colour (realtime). > > > >I guess I'm just an incurable optimist. > > No kidding...must be nice. However some of us are not in the habit of buying > expensive workstations every few months. Moreover I see NS 486 as being a > disaster. > > > >If more people would focus on the opportunities this situation presents, we > >would be in much better shape. > > Why? There is really little need for the NeXT of today. There was a big need > for the dreamers of yesteryear. > > NeXT has lost some of its most enthusiastic supportors in the past few weeks. > This can't be discounted and is certainly not made up for by any number of > car manufacturers purchases of NS 486. > > What can I say? NeXt has joined the ranks of the boring group. I'd rather have > an Amiga at this point. > > Philip McDunnough > philip@utstat.toronto.edu Your bias and intent to discorage are becoming so transparent, you obviously must be an amiga var on the side. Your comments never seem to carry much substance, much less insight. I'm still an enthusiastic NeXT supporter despite the obvious hard times ahead. So SJ got beat again by the venture capitalists. So what? Every hear of Hershey Pennsylvania? Mr. Hershey failed at business ventures MANY times before he hit the big one. It's more relelvant to note that SJ hasn't quit yet. What have you done for society lately other than suck its blood? R.Bert, M.D., Ph.D.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.ai.neural-nets From: cswoyer@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris Swoyer) Subject: McClelland and Rumelhart Software compiled for NeXT? Sender: usenet@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Usenet Administrator) Message-ID: <C2rAwJ.C4q@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 16:52:58 GMT Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA The program disks included in McClelland and Rumelhart's *Explorations in Parallel Distributed Processing: A Handbook of Models, Programs and Exercises* (MIT Press, 1988) have software for IBM PC compatibles. However, they also include complete C source code, and so it should be possible to compile them for a UNIX system. Has anyone had any luck compiling this software to run on a NeXT? If so, any information about it much appreciated.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Looking for description of RTF format Message-ID: <1993Feb20.181915.3730@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 18:19:15 GMT Can anybody point me to a description of the RTF format? Thanks, -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <C2rsx1.3F@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C2or35.JLt@utstat.toronto.edu> <1993Feb19.151125.651@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 23:22:13 GMT In article <1993Feb19.151125.651@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> medmagic!bertlmm (Robert Bert) writes: [ ] > >Your bias and intent to discorage are becoming so transparent, you obviously >must be an amiga var on the side. Your comments never seem to carry much >substance, much less insight. I'm still an enthusiastic NeXT supporter >despite the obvious hard times ahead. So SJ got beat again by the >venture capitalists. So what? Every hear of Hershey Pennsylvania? >Mr. Hershey failed at business ventures MANY times before he hit the >big one. It's more relelvant to note that SJ hasn't quit yet. > >What have you done for society lately other than suck its blood? I am not an Amiga var. I do not own one, other than a CDTV. As for your evaluation of the content of my postings this is to be expected from many medical doctors, especially in the US, who have been experts in sucking blood from the system with very little justification. Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bosborne@insect.berkeley.edu Subject: Booting with greater buffers? Message-ID: <9302210123.AA05172@insect.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 01:23:17 GMT To the Group, I am (still) the happy owner of a mono Station running 3.0 (20 Mb). Recently there have been discussions on how to increase the numbers of buffers (thereby increasing speed). I was able to increase my buffer number by using 'bsd sdmach nbu=200' in the ROM monitor. However, now when I start my machine (verbose mode) it stops in the ROM monitor. So I go command-~, bringing me to a 'NeXT>' prompt, where I enter 'b'. Now I boot up. How do I get the machine to startup without halting in the ROM monitor, while keeping my number of buffers at 200? Thank you for your attention to this matter, ------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Osborne Plant Gene Expression Center bosborne@insect.berkeley.edu Albany CA USA ------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Re: Booting with greater buffers? Message-ID: <1993Feb21.025322.837@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering References: <9302210123.AA05172@insect.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 02:53:22 GMT In article <9302210123.AA05172@insect.Berkeley.EDU> bosborne@insect.berkeley.edu writes: > >To the Group, > >I am (still) the happy owner of a mono Station running 3.0 (20 Mb). >Recently there have been discussions on how to increase the numbers >of buffers (thereby increasing speed). I was able to increase >my buffer number by using 'bsd sdmach nbu=200' in the ROM monitor. You should do this: sd- nbu=255 255 is the max as far as I know............ Hope this help, Andy >However, now when I start my machine (verbose mode) it stops >in the ROM monitor. So I go command-~, bringing me to a 'NeXT>' >prompt, where I enter 'b'. Now I boot up. How do I get the machine >to startup without halting in the ROM monitor, while keeping my >number of buffers at 200? > >Thank you for your attention to this matter, > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Brian Osborne Plant Gene Expression Center > bosborne@insect.berkeley.edu Albany CA USA > ------------------------------------------------------------
From: mtj@babar.asd.sgi.com (Michael Jones) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DSP Keywords: DSP. STEVE Jobs, Mistake Message-ID: <1m6qhfINN96m@fido.asd.sgi.com> Date: 21 Feb 93 02:48:15 GMT References: <1993Feb19.145718.593@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. In article <...>, medmagic!bertlmm (Robert Bert) writes: |> Does anyone out there know why SJ thinks the DSP is such a mistake? |> It's essential for an application I'm developing. This is an interesting claim. Do you feel that it's: a. Essential because the 680xx is not fast enough; b. Essential because software you use uses it; c. Essential because it's "where" your data comes in, and data reduction is important; or, d. Perhaps a different reason altogether? We built a fast desktop (Indigo/R3000) with a DSP, and a much faster ones without a DSP (the Indigo/R4000 and Indigo2). The removal of the DSP was "liberating" as far as i've been told -- the audio code is now faster, can be larger, enjoys address-space mapping, and other system-CPU benefits. It also requires more CPU resources than the DSP-based approach. I'm interested in knowing if there are reasons why a user would feel that an independent DSP was essential, or important, as compared to a "that much faster" system CPU and bus. -- Be seeing you, mtj@sgi.com 415.390.1455 M/S 7L-590 Michael Jones Silicon Graphics, Advanced Graphics Division 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd., Mtn. View, CA 94039-7311
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help Compiling Perl Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Date: 20 Feb 1993 19:52:17 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1m625h$5ad@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1993Feb19.165956.14194@muddcs.claremont.edu> Jon Vestal (jonv@ptnext.claremont.edu) wrote: : Hi, : Can someone help me compile perl on a NeXT running NS 3.0. Everything : seems to work except for the getgrgid. I've tryed compiling several ways : using the builtin perl setgid and the C setgid. I thinks it is probably a : problem with the type of int returned by getuid and getgid. Any help : would be appreciated. : Jon Vestal : Systems Technician : Pitzer College : jonv@ptnext.claremont.edu Everybody, this is the 3rd time I have had to answer this question in as many weeks. Nathan, how about an FAQ on this. To compile perl patchlevel 35 under NS3.0 some modifications to the Configure script are necessary. This is because Configure checks for the existance of certain include files and these determine which perl routines will actually be compiled into the binary via #ifdefs. Note: "make test" only detects that the getuid routines are there while infact the passwd routines are also not compiled. To successfully compile perl properly apply these changes to the Configure script. Look for the line if $test -r $usrinclude/pwd.h ; then change it to if $test -r $usrinclude/bsd/pwd.h ; then AND if $test -r $usrinclude/grp.h ; then change it to if $test -r $usrinclude/bsd/grp.h ; then Good luck.
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Toshiba MK538FB 1.2Gb drive help, please Date: 21 Feb 1993 01:40:33 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1m6miiINN710@clem.handheld.com> We just installed a Toshiba MK538FB in a 25Mhz Mono NeXTStation, and are having problems with file system corruption. The beast is covered with jumpers, and I have no clear idea as to how to set them. Anyone who has had experience with this drive, please let me know how successful you were, and what jumper settings are critical. Reply by E-mail to jmd@cube.handheld.com Thanks, Jim -- Jim De Arras | The opinions expressed herein are Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand 804.784.3090 voice | Held Products, Inc., and may not 804.784.3147 FAX | even be mine. Use at your own risk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jim-Miller@suite.com Subject: Re: The changing of NeXT's vision. Message-ID: <C2pGp1.D6z@bilbo.suite.com> Sender: usenet@bilbo.suite.com Organization: Suite Software, Dallas, Anaheim, La Mesa. References: <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 17:03:00 GMT In article <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> matt%mattcube@concert.net (Matthew M. Stecker) writes: > <stuff about 'vision' deleted> > > I have written this lengthy piece largely to figure out why I've been > so sad lately. I suppose that it saddens me that I've been forced to become > a little bit colder and cynical about the idea of 'vision'. I really > believed in the vision that was NeXT, and now I feel betrayed - explicitly > excluded from the small piece of the vision that remains. > > All of this may seem completely absurd to many. For most, it seems, a > computer is only a tool - not much more interesting to the corporate consumer > than the desk chair. Why become attached to it? Why really care? Don't you > have better things to believe in? Why not buy the cheapest that will do the > job? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ This last paragraph says it all. Steve Jobs vision will die if NeXT dies. It is a simple as that. You can't change the world if nobody is listening to you. Or can you? <grin> NeXT apparently believes, as do I, that the MAJORITY of computer buyers today will buy "the cheapest that will do the job". This rule applies to both corporations and individuals. Gates and Microsoft have made billions of dollars because they understood this. PC's and Windows is crap. We all know that. But people buy it because it is cheap! And there is the snowball effect, too. As more people buy PC's and Windows, more people will want to buy PC,s and Windows, so as not appear stupid. After all, if so many people are buying PC's and Windows, it's got to be the right thing to do. <shudder> The people buying computers these days are not the same kind of people who bought computers in the past. In the past, not that many people bought computers, and those computers that were sold, were purchased buy people who knew something about computers. These days, everybody and their Grandmother is buying a computer. This accelerates the snowball effect (maybe it should called the "bandwagon" effect. So what is NeXT to do? They need to adjust to the reality of the situation. The reality is: Most people are going to buy PC's regardless of what else there is to buy. Given this, it becomes obvious that the only way NeXT, and Steve Jobs vision, can survive is to get NeXTStep running on PC's. Getting NeXTStep running on other hardware is a bonus, but the big market is the PC market. I believe NeXT is doing the right thing. It is trying to survive. Survival first, vision second. Jim-Miller@suite.com -- Don't assume the company I work for has anything to do with the above statements and opinions.
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.dcom.modems From: thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca (Chris Thierman) Subject: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port deficiencies Message-ID: <1993Feb21.070043.8669@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Keywords: callerid,NeXT,serial,RS423 Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 07:00:43 GMT Has anyone ever managed to get the Classmate Model 10 Caller ID computer Interface to ever work with a NeXT computer. I have one of these boxes, it works grate with my Amiga, and a couple of machines at work. However, it does not work with the NeXT. Now before people start accusing me of not have the correct cables etc. I'll let you know that the cables I 'm using on the NeXT support FULL hardware flowcontrol and pass all the correct wires. In fact I use these cables everyday to do SLIP and various other things. And I've metered them out, so they check out ok there. As a matter of fact while looking into this problem I borrowed a HP protocol Analyzer from work. And what I found was missing from the next that the other computers had, was that the NeXT does not leave DCE to MARK when say kermit or getty open connections to a serial device. In fact basically it sets DTE to MARK, and when using hardware flowcontrol it sets RTS to SPACE, and of course it brought up DTR to SPACE, but unlike all the other computers I've used the next did not bring up DCE to MARK. It just left it at neutral, which I believe is causing my problem. So here are my questions: 1) Is this part of the RS423 standard? 2) Has anyone else ran into this before (BTW, it's the same on every NeXT I've tried.) 3) Has or can anyone come up with a reasonable work around.... You're help would be much appreciated.... Please send responses to thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca if I get a lot interest I'll post the results to the above groups... Many thanks in Advance... -Ch ris Thierman he NeXT support FULL hardware flowcontrol and pass all the correct wires. In fact I use these cables everyday to do SLIP and various other things. And I've metered them out, so they check out ok there. As a matter of fact while looking into this problem I borrowed a HP protocol Analyzer from work. And what I found was missing from the next that the other computers had, was that the NeXT does not leave DCE to MARK when say kermit or getty open connections to a serial device. In fact basically it sets DTE to MARK, and when using hardware flowcontrol it sets RTS to SPACE, and of course it brought up DTR to SPACE, but unlike all the other computers I've used the next did not bring up DCE to MARK. It just left it at neutral, which I believe is causing my problem. So here are my questions: 1) Is this part of the RS423 standard? 2) Has anyone else ran into this before (BTW, it's the same on every NeXT I've tried.) 3) Has or can anyone come up with a reasonable work around.... You're help would be much appreciated.... Please send responses to thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca if I get a lot interest I'll post the results to the above groups... Many thanks in Advance... -Ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 08:02:04 GMT Message-ID: <21229@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: news@deep.rsoft.bc.ca (Usenet) philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) does some spleen venting: > Moreover I see NS 486 as being a disaster. Why? > NeXT has lost some of its most enthusiastic supportors in the past few > weeks. Perhaps a few who are blinded by anger over imagined wrongs. > What can I say? NeXt has joined the ranks of the boring group. I'd rather > have an Amiga at this point. Are you being paid by a competing software company? I've been reading this thread for a few days, and several times I came across a really nasty, spiteful message. After the third or fourth, I checked back and found that they were all by one person: you. I was disturbed when I read the first announcement of the new policy, but after a bit of thought, I was no longer bothered by it. The new plan has the potential to greatly increase the amount of software I can run on my NeXTStation, and increase the chance of NeXTStep surviving in the marketplace. The new policy even could increase the chances for upgrading my system. Instead of being locked into NeXT's hardware (and their prices), I may, in a few years, have the option of a wide variety of hardware, of various prices and capabilities. All would be capable of running my NeXTStep software investment. That's what I'm hoping to see for NeXT. I just hope they don't screw up the opportunity, as they did with the hardware opportunity. I'd say "let's keep our fingers crossed", but that makes mouse operation somewhat difficult. :) -- Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mckelvey@fafnir.com (James W. McKelvey) Subject: Re: EAW Lives! Message-ID: <C2rs33.5A0@fafnir.com> Sender: mckelvey@fafnir.com (James W. McKelvey) Organization: Fafnir Software, Saugus, CA, USA References: <18550@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 23:04:15 GMT In article <18550@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: > Could this be the first posting about this? > > I received my Electronic AppWrapper today. Looks pretty slick so far. > ------ Yeah, it's an impressive package. Unfortunately, it's glacially slow, even when I copy the EAW app to the hard disc. When it comes down to actually using it to retrieve information, I'd prefer less glitz if it would result in faster retrieval. -- The gentle journey jars to stop. The drifting dream is done. The long gone goblins loom ahead; the deadly, that we thought were dead, stand waiting, every one. -- Walt Kelly Jim McKelvey mckelvey@fafnir.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net (Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: FAQ Icon? Message-ID: <1993Feb21.102418.1444@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: UNC School of Law, CC for NeXT Computer, Inc. Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 10:24:18 GMT This is a silly Question, but: Has anyone made a nice .dir.tiff for a folder containing the FAQ? (I hate blank folder Icons on my librarian shelf). If no one has one, I'll make one and submit it somewhere . . . Thanks! Matthew Stecker UNC School of Law. -- matt stecker | This is my NeXT Computer NeXT Campus Consultant, | There are many like it, UNC School of Law | but this one is mine.
From: cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis LaFont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Franz CL and ObjectWorks for NeXTSTEP Date: 21 Feb 1993 12:06:50 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1m7r8qINNq7e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Hi! What are the e-mail of the people I must contact to have information about Allegro CL and ObjectWorks Smalltalk for NeXT ? Thanks, Denis
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT speaks at BANG (poll results impolite) Message-ID: <18604@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 21 Feb 93 14:21:52 GMT References: <1993Feb19.235653.24585@leland.Stanford.EDU> <C2q6Mx.LuH@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <C2q6Mx.LuH@news2.cis.umn.edu> vm@madeline.umhc.umn.edu (Voice 2 Mail) writes: >As you state below, "Standing there and answering questions honestly..." >You're buying too much of this, Greg. This is the same cat who line-itemed >300 people in order to save his butt. Read the InfoWorld 'interview' this >week. As you read the last lines (something like, "... wish us luck!") think >of those 300 people who had their butts on the line for corporate. That number changes every time I see it. I think the official number is 230. 100 of those went to Canon, the other 130 received "generous severance packages." While that certainly doesn't make up for continued employment, it doesn't mean it's the end of the line for those people. (I know someone who is getting laid off, and it's a definite shame this particular person is one of the 130; she has a healthy attitude about it, because she knows she can find a job with relative ease). Should we blast the other companies for laying off their people too? I imagine IBM must look awful bad. Should we be upset at the hardware engineers for 'not cutting it'? I don't think so. Should we realize that life ain't perfect and NeXT made a decision that they believe will help NeXT immensely in the future? Yeah, I think so. >NeXTSTEP is the coolest environment that I've ever worked in bar none. Once >we get past SJ's mis-management and get the company owned/managed by a >responsible group/company it will be a god-send for all of us. Even sj. >Cutting hardware back was something that had to be done, cutting it all >together 4-6 months SHORT of having commerical software on other hardware is >gutsy. (this is not a start-up company) Nobody's commented on how easy it would be to license NeXTstep onto other platforms when you're still competing with them in hardware. >I'd like to see him pull it off. We can't help the company anymore (they >have no products that we can buy or help sell), so it's totally up to him. >With this being his chosen path, he better be up-beat and seem openly candid >about the current plan! There's always NeXTstep. Can't buy it on Intel yet, but you can see what it looks like on an '040 machine. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ "Our journey toward the stars has progressed swiftly. In 1926 Robert H. Goddard launched the first liquid-propelled rocket, achieving an altitude of 41 feet. In 1962 John Glenn orbited the earth. In 1969, only 66 years after Orville Wright flew two feet off the ground for 12 seconds, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and I rocketed to the moon in Apollo 11." -- Michael Collins Former astronaut and past Director of the National Air and Space Museum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heller@heller.slip.uiuc.edu (Helmut Heller) Subject: SoftPC under 3.0??? Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 16:45:53 GMT Message-ID: <C2t58I.I7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: SoftPC, Insignia Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Hello, some time ago I saw a note posted that you have to do something to make SoftPC2.0 work under NeXTstep3.0, some kind of patch or so. I didn't keep the msg then, so could someone please enlighten me? The error which I get when I try to install (using the Installer.app) SopftPC2.0 from the distribution floppies is something like: can't find file SoftPC.info. When I look into the package, a file SoftPC.inf is there. I can't rename it to SoftPC.info since the installation floppy is a DOS file system which allows only 3-letter extensions. When I copy the whole package to a NeXT-directory and change the file names there, then the Installer pops up correctly, but it then complains that files would be missing and that I should rather use the original floppies. Any help, preferrably by e-mail to heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu, would be greatly appreciated!! -- Servus, Helmut (W9/DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail preferred________________ heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" FAX: (217)244-6078 ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: (217)244-3349 ------------------------------------------------- Helmut Heller, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Beckman Institute Theoretical Biophysics Group, Room 3141, MC 251
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ckminer@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Chris Miner) Subject: Re: Are we all conned? Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Feb21.170111.95876@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 17:01:11 GMT References: <1993Feb16.092028.12127@coe.montana.edu> <1lqivo$2ok@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Folks, Nobody conned anybody. Next really wasn't ever a hardware company. People buy NeXT machines for the interface. That is software. I gotta say though, that I'll have a hard time ever buying anything I can easily identify as a PC. There is just something about the Look and feel of a NeXT that just draws me to it. The floppy drive on the side, clean look, the monitor stand (an out of the way space for the keyboard when I need more deskspace), the large monitor, the old style keyboard. I also like the way the printer looks, and how it says 'your printer is waiting for paper' on manual feed jobs. Once again this is look and feel. And I love the way it looks and feels! When I bought my slab two years ago I thought I would be using a different computer today. I am not, and if NeXT does do 4.0 for their native hardware, then I'll have to upgrade to 3.0 real soon now. I have gotten plenty of use from my box, and expect to continue to do so. I am not selling it, and when I replace it a few years from now, it will be because an 040 seems slow. I just hope NeXT Step and NeXT OS won't lose much in the translation to other platforms. Sooo, would all the people who know they are inclined to panic at moments like this, please do something, anything, to relax. If you don't know if you fall into this category, ask a friend, they will know. If you don't have friends, then assume you do fall into the category of people who need to relax a little. Hasta, Chris
From: wildi@urz.unibas.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: LaTeX on NeXT: Helvetica instead of Times Message-ID: <1993Feb21.192335.42713@urz.unibas.ch> Date: 21 Feb 93 19:23:35 MET Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland Hallo, I'd like to write a LATEX document with Helvetica as font type instead of Times. Does somebody could tell in detail what I have to do ? I have a NeXT running Version 3.0. thanks, Markus Wildi wildi@urz.unibas.ch M. Wildi Physikalisches Institut Klingelberstr. 82 ch 4056 Basel
From: enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd Enders) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: re: DSP Message-ID: <C2tBKr.HEw@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: 21 Feb 93 19:02:51 GMT Article-I.D.: ns1.C2tBKr.HEw Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network I see in an earlier post that Jobs said the DSP was a mistake. I can't say that I agree with that assertion, per se. I think the problem with the NeXT DSP is in the implementation, and *not* the concept. A 44.1 KHz stereo ADC would have been much more preferable to the 8 KHz mu law part. Easy access to the ADC via a rear panel connection would have been nice. A tighter coupling of the ADC/DAC to the 56000 without having to resort to setting up DMA channels would have been useful as well. But, they did show the foresight to include a direct connection to the DSP. With external hardware, some of the limitations are removed. Unfortunately, the third party hardware boys never supplied an inexpensive box to hang off the DSP port. If the DSP is/was such a mistake, why is Apple going to include a DSP in some upcoming macs? I think some of the promises made for the NeXT DSP (i.e. software modems) were a bit premature, given the constraints of the archetecture. Is the DSP useful? Most of the folks doing music apps think so. The potential is/was there for those willing to build/buy external hardware and write the software. Todd
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: EAW Lives! Message-ID: <18605@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 21 Feb 93 19:36:24 GMT References: <18550@umd5.umd.edu> <C2rs33.5A0@fafnir.com> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <C2rs33.5A0@fafnir.com> mckelvey@fafnir.com writes: >Yeah, it's an impressive package. Unfortunately, it's glacially slow, even >when I copy the EAW app to the hard disc. When it comes down to actually >using it to retrieve information, I'd prefer less glitz if it would result in >faster retrieval. I think what we're seeing is a software product that's anticipating faster hardware. It uses Craftman to do most (if not all) of its work. I agree, it is kinda slow (I run it off CD ROM so that's to be expected; your observation that it's still slow on HD tends to imply it's CPU bound) and it does give your swapfile a nice steriods injection, but it's still cool. >The gentle journey jars to stop. The drifting dream is >done. The long gone goblins loom ahead; the deadly, >that we thought were dead, stand waiting, every one. >-- Walt Kelly Jim McKelvey mckelvey@fafnir.com ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board -- Mark Twain
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: doberman!mike (Mike Panzitta) Subject: Re: Looking for Workstation AG in Switzerland Message-ID: <1993Feb21.193016.3605@doberman.com> Sender: mike@doberman.com Organization: Doberman Systems References: <1993Feb17.171420.25995@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 19:30:16 GMT In article <1993Feb17.171420.25995@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> kenny@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Kenny Leung) writes: > Hi all. > > Gisela Bieoi in from Workstation AG in Switzerland called me, but I neglected to ask for her phone and > > e-mail. (Now, I only have a fax number that I can't fax to. > > Does anyone know the e-mail address for Workstation AG? workstation ag Gisela Bieri Rohrstrasse 36/38 CH-8152 Glattbrugg fax no. 0041 1 828 95 70 phone no. 0041 1 828 95 55 email: gbi@wag.ch Regards, -Mike -- Mike Panzitta Doberman Systems mike@doberman.com (NeXT Mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,misc.forsale.computers From: timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu (Tim Buck) Subject: For sale: Lotus Improv, NeXT modem/null modem cables Message-ID: <1993Feb21.214503.12458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Sender: usenet@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Newman Library, Virginia Tech Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 21:45:03 GMT For Sale: Lotus Improv v.1.0 $ 100.00 Mini-DIN 8 --> DB25 modem 10.00 cable Mini-DIN 8 --> DB25 null modem 10.00 cable Buyer pays shipping. Reply to timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu or 703/951-0655. -- Tim Buck rri!tim@vtserf.cc.vt.edu Recognition Research, Inc. timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu Blacksburg, VA 24060 ------------------- Standard disclaimers apply -------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.protocols.appletalk From: randy@targa.cso.uiuc.edu (Randall Cotton) Subject: CAP setup: printing from Mac on network to NextPrinter Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 23:17:28 GMT Message-ID: <C2tnD5.7DL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Cc: bohlmann@kimber.cso.uiuc.edu, r-cotton@uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Is there anyone out there who has successfully setup CAP 6.0's lwsrv on a NeXT (running 3.0) so they can print from Macs on the net to the NeXTPrinter? I've successfully compiled CAP 6.0 patch level 128 and things seem to work in general (aufs, getzones, atlook, etc.) but I've been unable to set up lwsrv for reliable printing (it works sometimes) from a Mac on the net to the NeXTPrinter. Can anyone at least verify that this is possible?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: KRC@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Keith R. Connors) Subject: Schoonschip HELP! Message-ID: <8922Ho3nsc@atlantis.psu.edu> Sender: news@atlantis.psu.edu (Usenet) Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 23:46:11 GMT Hello all! I'm looking for help in using Schoonschip, a symbolic math solver program written for numerous computer platforms. I have read through the provided documentation (the program is freely redistributable) and I am still quite confused! I have used Maple and Mathematica on various machines and haven't encountered much difficulty, but this program has me lost. I am interested in using this program simply because I do not have the money to purchase either of the above programs. If you have used Schoonship, I would appreciate some help in solving some basic problems (differentation, integration, solving for one unknown, etc.). I haven't been able to make heads or tails out of the provided examples.... Thank you so much for your time! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Connors Penn State Electrical Engineering krc@eclx.psu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: Penn State University Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 20:53:23 EST From: <BPM100@psuvm.psu.edu> Message-ID: <93052.205324BPM100@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help needed with MAXTOR jumper settings Distribution: world I have a Maxtor 8380-S 330MB hard disk in my NeXT Cube. It has the factory-specified SCSI device number of 6. I wish to change its number to 0 or 1, so that I can use my CD-ROM drive. Anyone have the jumper information for changing the SCSI number on this drive? E-mail response much appreciated. Thanks, Brian [NeXTMAIL: moquin@metal.psu.edu]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: => Extra - Zion Software & Consulting readies TeleComm. Message-ID: <C2tnx3.49H@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 23:29:26 GMT FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For more information, contact: Zion Software & Consulting. 91 Depot Rd. P.O. Box 56 Mansfield Depot, CT 06251 ferrerod@eng2.uconn.edu Mansfield Depot, Connecticut USA -- Zion Software & Consulting is pleased to announce TeleComm - a NeXTSTEP telecommunications package. TeleComm was developed to meet the needs of most Modem/NeXTSTEP users, while maintaining ease of use, power, and AFFORDABILITY! TeleComm is being readied for shipment before NeXTWORLD Expo 1993. INITIAL PRODUCT HIGHLIGHTS o Easy to use NeXTSTEP Graphical User Interface for Modem communications and file transfer. o Ability to send and receive XMODEM, YMODEM, ZMODEM. o VT100 emulation. o Scrollback buffer o Copy/Paste/Find support o Font Panel support o Phone Number Database & stored configurations. o more... ORDERING INFORMATION For pricing, availability, and product information contact: TeleComm Software Zion Software & Consulting Att: David J. Ferrero 91 Depot Rd. P.O. Box 56 Mansfield Depot, CT 06251 email: ferrerod@eng2.uconn.edu ABOUT TOTAL SYSTEM SOFTWARE Zion Software & Consulting is a Connecticut based NeXT software development and consulting company committed to developing useful NeXTSTEP software for various needs. -- Please contact us for more information about TeleComm, or our other innovative applications. Zion Software & Consulting Att: David J. Ferrero 91 Depot Rd. P.O. Box 56 Mansfield Depot, CT 06251 email: ferrerod@eng2.uconn.edu (203) 429-4695 ========================================================================== They currently do not have news, so I'm posting it for them. If there are problems with reaching Zion, please send me a note and I will relay it. Thanks Dirk Fromhein Watershed Technologies, Inc. uunet!ripple!df
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: klein@math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (John R. Klein) Subject: NeXT and natural selection Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <C2su7K.Ht3@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 12:47:43 GMT Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum A quote from a friend of mine who has managed to maintain his sense of humor: "In the long run we are all dinosaurs, and technical support for mankind will eventually be discontinued anyway."
From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.protocols.appletalk Subject: Re: CAP setup: printing from Mac on network to NextPrinter Date: 22 Feb 1993 00:49:01 -0500 Organization: Deep Thirteen, Gizmonics Institute Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1m9pgdINN1lr@cae.cad.gatech.edu> References: <C2tnD5.7DL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> In <C2tnD5.7DL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> randy@targa.cso.uiuc.edu (Randall Cotton) writes: >Is there anyone out there who has successfully setup CAP 6.0's lwsrv on a NeXT >(running 3.0) so they can print from Macs on the net to the NeXTPrinter? I've >successfully compiled CAP 6.0 patch level 128 and things seem to work in >general (aufs, getzones, atlook, etc.) but I've been unable to set up lwsrvfor >reliable printing (it works sometimes) from a Mac on the net to the >NeXTPrinter. If I recall correctly, acting on advice from Bill McClure here at Tech, I just recompiled the lwsrv daemon with -DNEXT. I keep a separate copy of this binary I call lwsrv.next (keeping lwsrv for the other printers) that I use for them. As long as you don't use any proc-sets, it even seems to work fine with the latest System 7 drivers. >Can anyone at least verify that this is possible? Yes. But some ill-behaved programs like TeXtures still generate bad PostScript that hangs up the queue. Can't sort it out. -- "The police enforce laws and write reports. Depending on them 'to serve and protect' you is as foolish as depending on a New Yorker for help." -me
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bacchus!eric (Eric Bloom) Subject: NEW: Bacchus ships Pixel Magician 1.3 and Image Agent 1.1 Message-ID: <1993Feb22.033252.8873@bacchus.com> Keywords: Graphics Images Conversion Viewing Sender: eric@bacchus.com Organization: Bacchus, Inc. Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 03:32:52 GMT FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For more information, contact: Mieke Erdtsieck Tel: 310/820-9145 Fax: 310/820-5930 E-mail: info@bacchus.com New versions of Pixel Magician and Image Agent with support for network floating node licensing. Santa Monica, California February 22, 1993 Bacchus, Inc. ships Pixel Magician version 1.3 and Image Agent version 1.1, advanced image conversion applications for NeXTSTEP. Bacchus now offers network floating node versions of Pixel Magician and Image Agent. Licenses are enabled and upgraded by phone, e-mail or fax. Utility programs are provided to help system administrators monitor network usage. Heterogeneous licensing will also be supported. Network licenses will float between different machines running the NeXTSTEP operating system, e.g. NeXTSTEP 040 based machines and NeXTSTEP 486 based machines. Versions of Pixel Magician and Image Agent running under NeXTSTEP 486 will be available in late May to coincide with the NeXTWORLD Expo. Free upgrades will be offered to all registered users. Pixel Magician 1.3 removes a major limitation found in previous versions, the inability to open and convert images with filenames/pathnames that contained non-alphanumeric characters. Pixel Magician can now read and convert images with any valid unix filename/filepath. Other minor fixes for both Pixel Magician and Image Agent include more robust support for handling raster PICT files. Pixel Magician has a suggested retail price of $xxx. Image Agent is included free with Pixel Magician or can be purchased separately for $xx. Network and site license pricing is available on request. Both products are available directly from Bacchus and through authorized NeXT distributors, VAR's and dealers. Bacchus, Inc., founded in 1985 and based in Santa Monica, CA, specializes in the development of graphics and communications software tools for DOS and UNIX Workstations. *** Pixel Magician and Image Agent are trademarks of Bacchus, Inc. All other brand names are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <C2u7xM.E9r@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <21229@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 06:41:45 GMT In article <21229@mindlink.bc.ca> Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) writes: >philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) does some spleen venting: Now now... > >> Moreover I see NS 486 as being a disaster. > >Why? Well it may very well succeed in the commercial sense. As we all know the PC could only improve with NS on it. I only wish that NeXT would have ct'd to make hardware and do the 486 thing to support the other side. The concern I have is strictly the connection with the academic community. For years I have been arguing that NeXT should bring out an entry level system so that students could afford it. In a sense they have with NS 486. I have nothing at, repeat nothing at all, against NS 486. I am worried about the issue of TeX and mathematica (and S+). Will these continue to be included for academic users? Business users can only gain from NS on a variety of computers. I simply have to adjust my thinking to a software only company. There aren't many, and they don't exactly have an academic feeling about them. Novell and the M company come to mind. > >> NeXT has lost some of its most enthusiastic supportors in the past few >> weeks. > >Perhaps a few who are blinded by anger over imagined wrongs. Maybe, but a few choice words from NeXT would have helped...It wouldn't take too much. It's starting to come out now, but you must admit things happened very quickly and unexpectedly. Only a few weeks ago we were talking about the NRW. > >> What can I say? NeXt has joined the ranks of the boring group. I'd rather >> have an Amiga at this point. > >Are you being paid by a competing software company? I've been reading this >thread for a few days, and several times I came across a really nasty, >spiteful message. After the third or fourth, I checked back and found that >they were all by one person: you. I certainly didn't mean for them to be nasty. If they came across that way I'm very sorry. This whole thread should have moved to .advocacy anyway, but it's difficult to comment over they as well. Surely people can still comment? There is the issue of the CC program which is so important to NeXT on campuses. This program needs to be replaced by a software equivalent if possible. And no, I am not being paid by anyone other than mu employer. Do companies pay people to write "nasty" notes? > >I was disturbed when I read the first announcement of the new policy, but >after a bit of thought, I was no longer bothered by it. The new plan has the >potential to greatly increase the amount of software I can run on my >NeXTStation, and increase the chance of NeXTStep surviving in the >marketplace. Well I agree there. The question is what will happen in universities. The NeXT-academic connection is very important, and this switching to a sw only company is complicated to say the least. > >The new policy even could increase the chances for upgrading my system. >Instead of being locked into NeXT's hardware (and their prices), I may, in a >few years, have the option of a wide variety of hardware, of various prices >and capabilities. All would be capable of running my NeXTStep software >investment. That's what I'm hoping to see for NeXT. I don't think I ever said anything to the contrary. The issue was always NS()+HW()+NeXT HW() vs. NS()+HW(). NeXt has gone the latter route in a rather unexpected move. > >I just hope they don't screw up the opportunity, as they did with the >hardware opportunity. I'd say "let's keep our fingers crossed", but that >makes mouse operation somewhat difficult. :) You see, I don't agree that they messed up with the hardware. This is what is causing a lot of the misunderstanding. As people start playing with the PC, theywill come to realize how nice their black hardware was. Philip McDunnough philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: klein@math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (John R. Klein) Subject: Re: FAQ Icon? Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <C2t99L.KKC@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 18:12:57 GMT References: <1993Feb21.102418.1444@mattcube> Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum In article <1993Feb21.102418.1444@mattcube> matt%mattcube@concert.net (Matthew M. Stecker) writes: > > This is a silly Question, but: > > Has anyone made a nice .dir.tiff for a folder containing the FAQ? > (I hate blank folder Icons on my librarian shelf). > > If no one has one, I'll make one and submit it somewhere . . . > > Thanks! > > Matthew Stecker > UNC School of Law. > > -- > matt stecker | This is my NeXT Computer > NeXT Campus Consultant, | There are many like it, > UNC School of Law | but this one is mine. Yes. I found one a few months back on sonata in pub/next/graphics/images/icons
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: datec@gagme.chi.il.us (Charles Robinson) Subject: Re: Are we all conned? Message-ID: <1993Feb22.025840.14801@serveme.chi.il.us> Sender: usenet@serveme.chi.il.us Organization: GAGME - Public Access UNIX of Chicago, Illinois, USA, Earth References: <1lqivo$2ok@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 02:58:40 GMT Izumi Ohzawa (izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Feb16.092028.12127@coe.montana.edu> uphra@terra.oscs.montana.edu (Recep Avci) : writes: : : >Are we all conned? : > : >It is remarkable that I see no discussion or no criticism : >regarding NeXT's move to stop producing hardware. : > : >[munch] : > : : I am certainly disappointed. But, let's face it, NeXT has failed : in the hardware market. We knew the risks of buying NeXT hardware, : but we had no choice if wanted NeXTSTEP. : : [munch] : : The way the story was broken was the worst, but I don't have any : problem with the ethics part regarding the decision that NeXT : has made to drop hardware. They could have gone on with the : hardware a year or two more, but they must have realized the : lack of resources to continue that route more than that, after : which there is only one way down to Chapter 11 of the whole : enterprise. : The above (timing) is the part that concerns me. I also have no trouble with NeXT dropping the hardware and doing what is best for NextStep. But... Why now? I think we all realized that the 68040 was no longer as price effective AS A PIECE OF HARDWARE as some other offerings and it was NextStep we bought into. The two together made the package reasonably priced IMHO. That being the case, I know we were planning on Pentium servers and 486 workstations with an occassional black beauty thrown in for the "graphics" oriented. But the timing of the announcement would have been MUCH better if NS/Intel was already in users' hands (say May 26 ;-}). Thus, I must conclude that it was forced by NeXT's financial situation. But this is contradicted by NeXT's "In Transition" document where 10% growth, 4th Quarter profitability and informal "cash on hand" statements are trumpeted. A rat I smell. (And so do my clients). No matter what happens, I for one praise NeXT for bringing me the pleasure of working on their machines (and no, none are for sale)! But as to mission critical corporate futures, can I still bet my company on the issue of financial viability? For the moment, I am in a holding pattern with a "let's wait and see" attitude. But that itself is not viable for long. We/I need some answers! [more munch] : : I have a NeXTcube myself. I am disappointed. But I have already : picked up the pieces. I am not selling my cube. I am planning : to go with NS/Intel, but I won't bother with the beta testing. : We will buy NS/Intel capable PC for the lab soon, and that purchase : won't be a risk -- I can put two boot disks, one with DOS and another : with NS/Intel when it comes out. I suppose I can twiddle SCSI ID's : and boot from either without much pain. Our plan exactly, except that I would like to see the beta to reassure my clients, tune my hardware acquisitions etc. : : [final munch to the effect that NeXT hardware was initially needed for NeXT software to get off the ground --- I concur.]
From: louie@TransSys.COM Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: TransSys News Release Summary: new company, updated FTP archive files0 Message-ID: <18621@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 22 Feb 93 14:06:47 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc this can't wait..] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - SPECIAL USENET RELEASE, Version 2 LAUREL, Maryland, USA, 13 February 1993: Today, Louis A. Mamakos announced that a company, TransSys, Inc. had been formed to develop and market open-systems based networking software for NeXTSTEP-based computer systems. Mamakos is quoted as saying: "We just had to go public with an announcement of the formation of the company, what with all of the rumors flying around. We didn't want to wait and let wild speculation and emotion take over; we didn't want a repeat of what happened with NeXT's hardware announcement. We figured we should come clean and acknowledge what was happening." Mamakos will serve as President and CEO of the new corporation. TransSys, Inc., with its planetary headquarters in picturesque Laurel, MD will be handling Mamakos' popular and widely acclaimed `TransSys DialUp-IP' software. A new set of files have been uploaded to the popular FTP archive sites, SONATA.CC.PURDUE.EDU and CS.ORST.EDU which contain updated ordering information. Mamakos pleaded: "*Please* use the new tax id number, so that the IRS won't throw me in jail, and I can continue to write software!" He then revealed when questioned that existing users of the software need not download the new version, called SLIP_920904-A, as the only changes are in the documentation. TransSys, Inc. is developing a new networking software product, which will perform all of the existing functions of their existing SLIP product, as well as adding many new features and capabilities. It is a complete re-implementation of the existing feature-set, and will support a wide range of use. One commonly asked for capability is support for the way-cool TTYDSP product. Advanced and easy to use filtering on packets transmitted and received will also be available. TransSys officials revealed that their future plans for the yet un-named and vaporware product include PPP and other network device support. Mamakos said, "Can't say much more, 'cause its a secret. We could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you." If there are specific features that customers would like to see in a SLIP/PPP-type product, CEO Mamakos expressed: "We're all ears." To complement their open systems software development activities, TransSys, Inc. also performs network design and consultation services. Other active research projects underway include discovering why press releases are written in the third person, and what sort of 486 box to buy. For more information, please send [e]mail to: Executive Suite TransSys, Inc. 14813 Ashford Place Laurel, MD 20707-3771 info@TransSys.COM - 42 -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: kermit.5a.188.tar.Z Message-ID: <ntomczak.730316106@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 17:35:06 GMT This is the same archive I tried to upload unsuccessfuly at the beginning of January. Well, I managed to get it on cs.orst.edu but numerous attempts to upload to sonata failed once again. It is also available by ftp from indiana.(something I forgot - Todd, help). This archive contains NeXT executables of kermit with recent fixes and improvements. It also contains a number of examples, fairly extensive documentation and NeXT specific write-up with hints for an installation and use. The program was compiled with 3.0 libraries and although it is a command line utility I do not know if it will work on 2.x systems. Current sources are always on watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] and they compile without any problems on NeXT. You may only want to change some Makefile flags to suit you better. A hint: if you will try to recover said sources look for a '*.tar.Z' file in kermit/bin (!!!) directory instead of fishing for what you need from a zillion of files for all kind of operating systems and computers. Michal Jaegermann ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: NeXT FAQ Icons Message-ID: <1993Feb22.151818.22793@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 15:18:18 GMT I cobbled something together in response to this request, scarfing the AltDock reversed cube and putting letters FAQ on top of it. Check it out by anonymous ftp to yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], directory pub/next/images/icons, files next_faq.dir.tiff and next_faq.opendir.tiff. <> Most rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing <> people who can't talk for people who can't read. <> -- Frank Zappa -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: TransSys News Release Message-ID: <1993Feb22.153030.23402@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <18621@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 93 15:30:30 GMT In article <18621@umd5.umd.edu> louie@TransSys.COM writes: >this can't wait..] Well, it could have, but I'm glad it didn't! >Mamakos said, "Can't say much more, 'cause its a secret. We >could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you." Nah, you can whisper it to me, because I'm invisible and you wouldn't know where to aim. >If there are >specific features that customers would like to see in a SLIP/PPP-type >product, CEO Mamakos expressed: "We're all ears." This must look *extremely* odd. I've heard of talking from other apertures (lots of CEOs do that), but this talking out the ear is a first. <> Remember, Information is not knowledge; Knowledge is not <> Wisdom; Wisdom is not truth; Truth is not beauty; Beauty is <> not love; Love is not music; Music is the best. <> -- Frank Zappa -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: stark@superc.che.udel.edu (Scott M. Stark) Subject: Release of v2.0a of Archie Message-ID: <1993Feb22.160649.22218@udel.edu> Keywords: Archie Sender: usenet@udel.edu (USENET News Service) Organization: University of Delaware Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 16:06:49 GMT Archie - A NeXT specific Archie client Archie 2.0a is a 3.0 NeXTSTEP analog of George Ferguson's Xwindow based archie client. It provides all of its functionality with the niceties of the NeXTSTEP interface, as well as documents and interactive ftp sessions. The program is based on the query.[ch], ftplib.[ch], and Prospero library subset provided with George's 2.0 beta version of Xarchie. I am now using RTF source for most of the new classes in the Archie application. The use of RTF in the class implementation files allows for nicely formatted and very readable code. The class header files are still plain text since InterfaceBuilder does not yet parse RTF headers. Compiling the RTF code is accomplished with Rtf_Compiler utilities written by Charles Lloyd. The Rtf_Compiler should be available in the pub/next/submission directory of sonata.cc.purdue.edu. This version is markedly improved over the previous versions, 1.37 and below. If you have NeXTSTEP version 3.0, I highly recommend obtaining the new version. This preliminary release is being made to allow for input on additional features or changes to the current features. A description of the current features follows. Archie Documents Archie now makes use of documents called ArchieSessions. An ArchieSession is simply a collection of queries accessible from a single document using a browser interface similar to previous versions of Archie. Any new query initiated from the interface is added to the ArchieSession document. The documents can be saved for later access. Any expansion of directories in the initial archie server response are saved in the document. Any number of ArchieSession documents can be open. Double clicking on an Archie doc opens it in Archie as you would expect. Automatic Expansion of Directories Previous versions of Archie would allow one to obtain a listing of directories returned by the archie server by initiating an FTP session with the host on which the directory resided. This version does "automatic" expansion of directories by sending another request to the archie server who provided the info on the directory. This is generally much faster and cleaner. File Transfers Use Remote FTPD Directly I no longer fork a child process which in turns uses the ftp program to retrieve files. I have created a category called Object(FTPDaemon) which provides the methods necessary to interact directly with a remote ftpd server. The category is based on the ftplib.[ch] files provided with George's Xarchie. Interactive FTP Sessions Once you have received a query result from the archie server, you can initiate an interactive FTP session by selecting a hostname in column 0 and choosing "Connect..." from the FTP menu. This causes a browser containing the top level files of the host's anonymous ftp directory to be displayed. At this point you are speaking directly with the remote ftpd. You can traverse the remote file system much as you can in the Workspace browser. Selected directories or files can be retrieved using the "Retrieve..." command from the FTP menu. Any number of FTP sessions can be active. You can also initiate an interactive FTP session to an arbritrary host at any time via the "General FTP..." item under the FTP menu. The general FTP session does not have to be to an anonymous host. Support for Opening Files in the Workspace One can open files from both the ArchieSession and interactive FTP file browsers by double clicking on a file. Most any type of file that could be opened in the Workspace can be opened from the browsers. A current limitation is that only regular files can be opened. This means that, for example, a remote .rtfd package cannot be opened with Edit. Current Limitations & Problems Not extensively tested - I have gotten all of the features I wanted (with the exception of multiple active queries) incorporated, and my day to day usage is no longer flushing out problems. However, I have not tried to break program. One active archie query - Although I have written the NeXTSTEP portion of the program with support for multiple active archie server queries, I have not yet made the archie / Prospero code from the Xarchie program thread safe. Help not complete - There actually is a good deal of help information. The parts not complete include help clicking on interface objects, cross-referencing of the help topics, and setting up the index. Sketchy display of links with FTP sessions - Links are displayed in the FTP session browser simply as "link_name -> link_target". Although links are actually resolved, I just have not tested the display mechanism. Drag & drop transfers - I have implemented a file well type of class which allows one to drag a selection from the ArchieSession interface to an application which implements the NXDestination protocol for file names. Although it does work, it does not work very well. The problem is that if you drag a file from the Archie interface to a folder in the Workspace, the Workspace asks for the file name prior to getting the file icon actually over the folder. It most likely does this to verify that the file exists. Since the file does not exist on the local host, I have to initiate an FTP session to obtain a local copy. The name of the local copy is then placed on the Pasteboard for the Workspace. During the transfer, the file icon cannot be moved and if you let go without having gotten the icon over the intended folder, the copy operation fails. Directories and file packages can not be opened in Workspace - I have not yet added the ability to open directories or file packages (e.g., .rtfd files) in the Workspace. Send in your comments This initial release is to get a number of people using the program so that any remaining errors and problems can be flushed out. I appreciate the input you have provided for previous versions, and I encourage all to continue to send me suggestions, bugs, no matter how small. And finally, obtaining Archie Both the source and binary may now be obtained via anonymous ftp from the pub directory of superc.che.udel.edu. I have placed remote packages for both the source and binary in the pub/submissions directory of sonata.cc.purdue.edu & cs.orst.edu. The binary package is Archie.pkg and the source is ArchieSrc.pkg. A remote package is similar to the normal Installer package except that the archive file is missing. When you install the pkg file with the Installer application, the archive file is retrieved via anonymous ftp from superc.che.udel.edu. Scott Stark Sun Feb 21 20:12:30 EST 1993 stark@superc.che.udel.edu (NeXT mail accepted) -- Scott Stark University of Delaware Department of Chemical Engineering 123 Colburn Lab Newark, DE 19716-3119 (302) 831-6713
From: tatsuya@sofya.math.byu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: program for creating labels Date: 22 Feb 1993 17:09:54 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Message-ID: <1mb1d2$iif@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Does anyone have a suggestion on program which create labels?? If you have send me a program/ tell me how to get it. I am using Avery self-adhesive address lables. thnx in adv. tatsuya
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) Subject: NetBoot client refuses user logins Message-ID: <1993Feb22.161213.13087@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 16:12:13 GMT OK all you NeXT sysadmin gurus: I've got a problem that probably has a simple solution, but I can't seem to find it. I have an 030 cube that is acting as a NetBoot client off of an 040 station. I've done all of the usual setup, including: - Creating and exporting /clients/<cubename> (read/write/root) to the the cube. - Exporting / to the cube (read-only) - Identifying the cube and the station in the NetInfo database. - Identifying the necessary user accounts as "network". OK, so the cube loads and boots NeXTStep and mach with a couple of error messages that don't seem to inhibit startup and login. ( One seems to have to do with linking to, or linking, the "kern_loader". The other says something about giving up on the station's hostname, about it not being in the database. ) Anyway, the cube DOES come up, and I can log in as root or as "me". However, logging in under any of network user accounts fails. ( The workspace acts as if I'd en- tered an incorrect password. ) What might be the problem? Does it have to do with exporting the network user's home directories via NFS, or perhaps making them available through NetInfo? I'm stumped and any help would be appreciated. Thanks much. - Max | William R. Herndon \ The MITRE Corporation, Dept. G023 | | EMail: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org \ Secure Information Technology | | NeXTMail: bill@mephisto.gotham.com \ MS-Z231, 703.883.6393 | | | | "The world bores you when you're cool." - Calvin |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: NeXT speaks at BANG (poll results impolite) Message-ID: <C2uzvK.6J7@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <18604@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 16:45:03 GMT In article <18604@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: > In article <C2q6Mx.LuH@news2.cis.umn.edu> (VM) writes: > > >As you state below, "Standing there and answering questions honestly..." > >You're buying too much of this, Greg. This is the same cat who line-itemed > >300 people in order to save his butt. Read the InfoWorld 'interview' this > >week. As you read the last lines (something like, "... wish us luck!") think > >of those 300 people who had their butts on the line for corporate. > > That number changes every time I see it. > > I think the official number is 230. 100 of those went to Canon, the other > 130 received "generous severance packages." While that certainly doesn't > make up for continued employment, it doesn't mean it's the end of the line > for those people. (I know someone who is getting laid off, and it's a > definite shame this particular person is one of the 130; she has a healthy > attitude about it, because she knows she can find a job with relative ease). Whatever the numbers are, who went to Canon? There were rumors of such, but I have yet to hear of anyone myself? Also, of the people I know, the severance package cited was status quo. Again, hardly genererous compared to what people previously got. More importantly, many of those who were cut did "bread and butter" activities to help the company survive. A simple example: Cal Thixton. Cal may also be able to speak for himself, but if you have any idea who he is or what he's done for the company in the past you have to ask yourself, "What's going on." > > Should we blast the other companies for laying off their people too? I > imagine IBM must look awful bad. IBM also announed what their plans are over a month ago and have yet to do so to the best of my knowledge. When they do I'm sure it will be many more people than what NeXT cut. Those that believe in IBM (outside the company), won't really suffer as much as of us who believe in NeXTSTEP. Unfortunately your NAME and REPUTATION are important. > > Should we be upset at the hardware engineers for 'not cutting it'? I don't > think so. > > Should we realize that life ain't perfect and NeXT made a decision that they > believe will help NeXT immensely in the future? > > Yeah, I think so. Nobody's ever contested that. The issue is how [quickly] it was done without a perceived preparation. We here had orders for 8 systems in the queue and by the time they got through purchasing the bomb had dropped. NeXT has yet to respond and the people who place the orders with the vendors (like NeXT). No confirmation or denial of the order. Is this a good business relations or a company lost at sea? > > >NeXTSTEP is the coolest environment that I've ever worked in bar none. Once > >we get past SJ's mis-management and get the company owned/managed by a > >responsible group/company it will be a god-send for all of us. Even sj. > >Cutting hardware back was something that had to be done, cutting it all > >together 4-6 months SHORT of having commerical software on other hardware is > >gutsy. (this is not a start-up company) > > Nobody's commented on how easy it would be to license NeXTstep onto other > platforms when you're still competing with them in hardware. > > >I'd like to see him pull it off. We can't help the company anymore (they > >have no products that we can buy or help sell), so it's totally up to him. > >With this being his chosen path, he better be up-beat and seem openly candid > >about the current plan! > > There's always NeXTstep. Can't buy it on Intel yet, but you can see what it > looks like on an '040 machine. Can't buy it on anything now! > ------ > Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) > ------ > "Our journey toward the stars has progressed swiftly. > peter peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu follow-up in comp.sys.next.advocacy, please
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jporter@picard.ksc.nasa.gov (John Porter) Subject: DOS files to floppy Message-ID: <1993Feb22.170608.13153@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 17:06:08 GMT I have a problem that is proving to be a pain in the butt. My contractors generate lots-o-documents in MicroSoft (yuch!) format. I receive this stuff (Word, Excel, etc...) as uuencoded e-mail. I uudecode it with apparently no problem. I then try to put it on floppy to sneakernet it to my DOS machine. When I do that I get an "Invalid argument" error. Any ideas? Please e-mail responses as my net access can be infrequent. Thanks. JP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: Re: NeXT FAQ Icons Message-ID: <1993Feb22.174427.2276@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: UNC School of Law, CC for NeXT Computer, Inc. References: <1993Feb22.151818.22793@macc.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 17:44:27 GMT Thanks to everyone who sent me FAQ icons. I've gotten three different kinds. Two are on Sonata - they are the multicolored "FAQ" letters over a question mark. Looks very nice, but only on my color machine. The FAQ icon that Jess Anderson made (see his post for details) looks great on my monochrome machine - I'm going with it. Thanks again. Matthew Stecker -- matt stecker | This is my NeXT Computer NeXT Campus Consultant, | There are many like it, UNC School of Law | but this one is mine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rosario@oceanlaw.com Subject: Re: The changing of NeXT's vision. Message-ID: <1993Feb21.204437.1240@oceanlaw.com> Sender: rosario@oceanlaw.com References: <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 20:44:37 GMT In article <1993Feb17.192029.2065@mattcube> matt%mattcube@concert.net (Matthew M. Stecker) writes: > > I just re-read the "NeXT In Transition" document, issued yesterday by > Conrad Geiger at NeXT. What follows is a long discussion of what that document > means to me, and to the vision that was NeXT. > > I think maybe the fire has gone out of the NeXT religion. But then again the phoenix is still a role model. -- -------------------------------- Rosario Perry rosario@oceanlaw.com -------------------------------- -- -------------------------------- Rosario Perry rosario@oceanlaw.com
From: schmidt@rz.uni-passau.de (SCHMIDT GUIDO) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GNU C++ Libraries, GCC-2.3.3 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 18:38:08 GMT Organization: University of Passau - Germany Message-ID: <schmidt.46@rz.uni-passau.de> Summary: Looking for running cc++ and libg++.a Keywords: cc++, libg++.a Hello! I've recently tried to build gcc-2.3.3 with all the libraries, tools, headers etc. Unfortunately, making was exited because of some parse errors. I'm looking for some hints on this in gnu.g++.lib.bug. My question here is: Does somebody have a running installation of gcc-2.3.3 on a NeXT (V2.1) and maybe can make available a compressed tar-file which I could obtain via ftp. For I don't read this newsgroup regularly I would appreciate an email answer. Thank you in advance. Guido -------------------------------------------------------------------- - Guido Schmidt - - schmidt@rz.uni-passau.de - - University of Passau, Germany - --------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cub'x Systemes announces its support for the new NeXT strategic direction Message-ID: <6852@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 22 Feb 93 18:20:45 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy For more information, please contact : Cub'x Systemes Tel : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 40 Fax : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 41 Email : info@cubx.com (NeXT mail) Cub'x Systemes announces its support for the new NeXT strategic orientation. Paris, France, Feb 22nd, 1993. Cub'x Systemes announces it totally supports NeXT's recent decision to stop manufacturing hardware, and dedicate its activities to promoting the NeXTSTEP operating system on multiple hardware platforms. "We are extremely pleased to see NeXT cementing a strategy long awaited in the computer market. It will permit NeXTSTEP to reach the prominent position that it rightfully deserves as the leading object oriented operating system", says Gerard Laurent, Cub'x Systemes General Manager. "We find our efforts for the promotion of NeXTSTEP now rewarded by the dramatic expansion of the number of potential users, and this will open new exciting opportunities for software development." Cub'x Systemes is presently porting its software products - Cub'X-Window and intuitiv'3d - onto NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors. Cub'x Systemes has developed the following software packages : - Cub'X-Window, X-Window client/server architecture for the NeXT. Its new version 4.0 will be available on NeXTSTEP for NeXT hardware in March 1993 and on NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors in May 1993. This new version provides a X11R5 solution, numerous new features, and still increased speed performance. - intuitiv'3d, a complete 3d creation environment. It will be released on NeXTSTEP for NeXT hardware and NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors during NeXTWorld Expo, on May 25th. Cub'x Systemes will continue to support and upgrade Cub'X-Window and intuitiv'3d on NeXT computers and will continue to port its NeXTSTEP software products onto each new NeXTSTEP capable hardware platform. Cub'x Systemes, located in Paris, France, is the center of expertise for NeXTSTEP in France, through its NeXTSTEP training center, NeXTSTEP software development and NeXT distribution center.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: v6.7 - NeXT Nugget News Digest (vol. 6, issue 7, February, 1993) Message-ID: <6853@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 22 Feb 93 18:42:20 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy NeXT Nugget News Digest (vol. 6, issue 7, February, 1993) *** TABLE OF CONTENTS *** HIGHER EDUCATION / ACADEMIC ANNOUNCEMENTS (December/January) => 20. U. of Houston Students Use NeXT to Develop Courseware => 21. Announcing NeXT Education Software Sampler: CD-ROM Software => 22. Accepting Entries for 1993 EDUCOM Software and Curriculum Innovation Awards => 23. Digital Tool Works announces release of EquationBuilder 3.0 => EXTRA - NSF Workshop for Faculty w/ Symbolic Algebra Experience Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Group Program (over 420 groups worldwide) All previous 47 Nugget News Digest issues from 1992 are archived at the Purdue ftp archive site: sonata.cc.purdue.edu under... In NeXTMailbox format: /pub/next/Newsletters/Nugget/Oct92.tar.Z /pub/next/Newsletters/Nugget/Nov92.tar.Z /pub/next/Newsletters/Nugget/Dec92.tar.Z /pub/next/Newsletters/Nugget/Jan93.tar.Z and in text (ascii) format. Past issues (early 1992 and 1991) also appear in /pub/next/Newsletters/Nugget on Sonata. ____________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________ HIGHER EDUCATION / ACADEMIC ANNOUNCEMENTS (December/January) => 20. Article on NeXT courseware development at University of Houston follows: The Open Channel University of Houston Information Technology News Volume 9, Number 8 * August 10, 1992 Students Use NeXT to Develop Courseware One of the most innovative uses of computers in higher education is to visually demonstrate concepts which are difficult to understand. However, a barrier to this kind of use id the lack of appropriate education software or "courseware." Dr. John R. Glover, a professor in the department of Electrical Engineering, uses the unique user-friendliness of NeXT workstations to allow students in his ELEE 4401 classes to develop courseware that visually demonstrates complex engineering topics. In this senior projects class, titled Computer Engineering Design, students develop courseware that can be used in other engineering classes. In this way, students not only learn important programming and engineering concepts, but also develop skills in project management and technical communications-the presentation of complicated materials in a way that can be understood by others-that will serve them in their professional careers. For the first half of the course, students learn about object-oriented programming and the NeXT development environment, as well as presentation and project management skills. In the second half of the course, students present their project proposal to the class using a video project and slides they've created on the NeXT, after which they spend the semester working on their project in teams of two. Each team meets with Glover for assessment and feedback at least once a week during the development. At the end of the semester, students present their finished product, and turn in a written report and full documentation for the software. Projects are designed for use both as a classroom demonstration tool for instructors and as a laboratory resource for students. Instructors benefit from a customizable visual aid, and students in the lab can explore the simulations at their own pace to develop their understanding of the topic. Representative projects from this year's course include a digital logic simulator, a Karnaugh map tutor, and various signal processing simulations, including linear and circular convolution, and signal sampling/reconstruction. Glover also manages another NeXT-based educational project: the Summer program for Engineering Courseware Development. In this intensive summer seminar, students work full-time to learn object-oriented programming and develop courseware as described above. Currently-enrolled engineering students and graduating high-school seniors are eligible for for this program, for which they are paid a stipend based on experience. A special laboratory has been set aside for this program, which provides a NeXT workstation for each participant, a color system for demonstrations, and a conferencing area. Though a teaching assistant is assigned to the program and Dr. Glover is available for guidance, participants are expected to work without supervision. This summer's students are working on projects including plotting and graphics applications, which will allow users to move a graphical "object" into another application; objects and programs for discrete simulation which allow you to choose an object, set relevant parameters, and observe the effect of your change; and user-friendly interfaces for Mathematica, which allow the user to use sliders, text fields, and buttons while still able to access Mathematica's robust number crunching abilities. According to Glover, the combination of NeXTSTEP (the NeXT's development environment) and object-oriented programming makes it possible for even relatively inexperienced programmers to develop courseware. Says Glover, "As Steve Jobs said, 'the NeXT does for the developer what the Macintosh did for the user. It makes it easier.'" ____________________________________________________________________ => 21. Announcing NeXT Education Software Sampler: CD-ROM Software Over 500 Megabyes of Higher Education NeXTSTEP software available! Call 1-800-879-NeXT to order. BALTIMORE, - At the EDUCOM'92 conference this past Fall, NeXT Computer, Inc. announced the availability of the first NeXT Education Software Sampler, a CD-ROM containing a wide assortment of public domain shareware education software for NeXTSTEP(tm) computers. "Our goal with the NeXT Education Software Sampler is to provide users with useful, easily accessible software as well as to stimulate users' imaginations by providing ideas for further development with NeXTSTEP," said David Spitzler, higher education marketing manager for NeXT. "Because all the software on the disc was submitted to NeXT specifically for redistribution, we encourage users to share anything on the Software Sampler with others who may be interested in educational NeXTSTEP software." Most of the software on the CD-ROM is ready to run and can be used free of charge. The software was submitted by faculty, researchers and students as well as representatives from various industries. The disc also contains demonstration versions of a variety of commercially available applications, submitted by the third-party developers themselves. In addition, NeXT has also included the source code of its modifications to the Free Software Foundation's GNU-based development tools, including the compilers, debugger and the emacs editor. Examples of education software on the disc include FlyLab, an application written for an introductory genetics course at the California State University at Los Angeles. Fly Lab teaches the principles of genetic inheritance by simulating a genetics laboratory of the common fruit fly. Students can design flies that carry various combinations of mutations, then "mate" the flies to study the inheritance of genetic traits in the offspring. Other examples include Geo4 and Geo5, software for teaching and learning historical geography, written at St. Mary's College of Maryland, and a demonstration of Tarski's World, an application for learning first-order logic written at Stanford University. Organized into sections by subject, the CD-ROM contains more than 500 megabytes (MB) of applications, utilities, documents and much more. For instance, the disc includes nearly 15 MB of music software, more than 70 MB of mathematics software and almost 80 MB of programming examples and source code from full-functioning applications. Each submission includes a README file with minimum standard information about the application and who to contact for more information. Price and Availability The NeXT Education Software Sampler is available now directly from NeXT for $25.00. Interested parties can call 1-800-879-NeXT to order. About NeXT Computer, Inc. NeXT Computer, Inc. designs and markets the industry-acclaimed NeXTSTEP object-oriented operating system, and designs, manufactures and markets UNIX-based workstations that run NeXTSTEP. NeXTSTEP and NeXT workstations are used by medium and large organizations to develop and deploy mission-critical applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, Calif., 94063. -30- NeXT, the NeXT logo and NeXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. All other trademarks mentioned belong to their respective owners. ____________________________________________________________________ => 22. Accepting Entries for 1993 EDUCOM Software and Curriculum Innovation Awards Contact: Phone: 301/405-7534 Email: awards@cristal.umd.edu The EDUCOM Software and Curriculum Innovation Awards Program is accepting entries for the 1993 competition. The deadline for submissions is February 26. To request that an entry form be sent to you, send e-mail to awards@cristal.umd.edu, or call 301/405-7534. There are two categories in which submissions can be made: the Product Division, for original software designed to enhance student learning, and the Curriculum Innovation Division, which focuses on the use of technology by rewarding excellence in teaching with computers. There is no requirement that original software be developed by the submitter to enter an application in the Curriculum Innovation category, just that the computer be applied in ways that meet an important instructional need. The innovation might be the creative classroom use of existing commercial software packages; it might be the adaptation of existing packages for educational use; or it might be built around new software designed by the applicant. Entries will be reviewed in the following disciplines, all of which are at the undergraduate level except Law: * Natural Sciences, which can include Astronomy, Atmospheric Science, Biology, Botany, Ecology, Forestry, Genetics, Zoology, Chemistry, Geology, or Physics; * Humanities, including Area Studies, Communications, English (Literature or Composition), Journalism, Foreign Languages, or Philosophy; * Engineering, including Aerospace, Chemical, Civil, Computer Science, Electrical, Mechanical, or Nuclear; * Mathematics, which can include Algebra, Calculus, Geometry, Statistics, or other; * Social Sciences, including Anthropology, Archaeology, Economics, Geography, History, Political Science, Psychology, Sociology, Statistics or Research Methods; and * Law (Graduate level), which can include any area of specialization. ____________________________________________________________________ => 23. Digital Tool Works announces release of EquationBuilder 3.0 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Terrence Talbot Digital Tool Works 100 Charles St, Ste D Boston, MA 02114 (617) 742-4057 (Voice/FAX) eqb_info@dtw.com Digital Tool Works announces release of EquationBuilder 3.0 BOSTON, Mass., December 9, 1992 - Digital Tool Works(TM) today announced the immediate availability of EquationBuilder(TM) 3.0, advanced technical publishing software for NeXTSTEP(R) 3.0. EquationBuilder 3.0 represents a significant upgrade from the original version, EquationBuilder 0.9b, released in July, 1992. EquationBuilder is the first object-oriented, fully WYSIWYG technical equation editor for NeXTSTEP. EquationBuilder 3.0 takes full advantage of NeXTSTEP 3.0, making EquationBuilder an ideal tool for use in an integrated NeXTSTEP publishing and presentation environment. Using Encapsulated PostScript(R) as its native file format, EquationBuilder expressions can be included in any page layout, word processing, or presentation graphics application by either simple drag-and-drop, copy-paste, or via the new object linking capabilities of NeXTSTEP 3.0. Among the new features in EquationBuilder 3.0 are multi-level undo/redo, direct support for object linking of EquationBuilder expressions with other NeXTSTEP 3.0 compatible applications, universal drag-and-drop among EquationBuilder documents and with other NeXTSTEP 3.0 compatible applications, complete support for Services, and full drag-and-drop color. Current owners of EquationBuilder 0.9b are entitled to a free software upgrade to the current release. EquationBuilder 3.0 is available through authorized resellers. Discounts for academic institutions and students, and multi-user network licenses are also available. Contact Digital Tool Works for more information. Digital Tool Works is a privately funded software start-up dedicated to the development of productivity and authoring tools running under NeXTSTEP. All trademarks belong to their respective owners. ____________________________________________________________________ => EXTRA - NSF Workshop for Faculty w/ Symbolic Algebra Experience AN NSF WORKSHOP FOR FACULTY WITH SYMBOLIC ALGEBRA EXPERIENCE Contact: Email: NSF.Workshop@Rose-Hulman.edu FAX: (812) 877-8895 Phone: (812)877-8143 Revitalizing the Engineering, Mathematics, and Science Curricula via Symbolic Algebra WHEN Tuesday, July 13 through Saturday, July 17, 1993 with an optional refresher on Monday July 12th. (Also to be offered in 1994.) WHERE Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology 5500 Wabash Avenue Terre Haute, IN 47803 STAFF Dr. Mark A. Yoder Electrical Engineering (812) 877-8291 Mark.A.Yoder@Rose-Hulman.edu Dr. Robert Lopez Dept. of Mathematics (812) 877-8396 R.Lopez@Rose-Hulman.edu COURSE DESCRIPTION This is a five-day workshop for faculty with previous exposure to computer algebra systems such as Maple or Mathematica. Faculty, drawn from engineering, science, and mathematics, will learn how to use computer algebra as an effective tool in teaching, revising curricula, and making the contents of their courses more conceptual. A participant will craft at least one instructional unit showcasing the utility of symbolic manipulation software. Participants will be shown examples of similar curricular improvements that have already been made at Rose-Hulman. In the interdisciplinary atmosphere of the workshop, participants will conceive, create, and critique units of their own. They will leave the workshop with a clear understanding of the potential for computer algebra to transform their own curricula. The course is taught in a laboratory equipped with NeXT workstations and Mathematica and Maple; participants are seated in front of their own workstation. ELIGIBILITY Participants must have previous symbolic algebra experience. Participation in UFE workshops is limited to those in permanent faculty positions in post-secondary educational institutions in the 50 states and US possessions and territories. Enrollment is limited to 30 participants who will be selected on the basis of topics they teach and their level of facility with a computer algebra system. If the workshop is full, or you are not eligible, please see the Rose-Hulman shortcourse described below. COST Registration and room and board will be covered by NSF. The only participant cost is transportation to the workshop. CONTACT The course is part of the NSF Undergraduate Faculty Enhancement (UFE) Program. If you would like an application, please Email NSF.Workshop@Rose-Hulman.edu, FAX (812) 877-8895, or call (812) 877-8143. _____________________________________________________________________ In addition to the workshop described above we are offering the following shortcourse for engineering, mathematics & computer science faculty with little or no symbolic algebra experience: "Using Computer Algebra to Teach Engineering" The NSF workshop is for faculty with some experience using CAS in teaching. For faculty with little or no experience using CAS who would like to learn how to incorporate CAS into their classroom, Rose-Hulman is hosting a 4-day shortcourse from 16-June to 19-June-1993. The shortcourse will be much like the workshop, except that its audience is not restricted by experience or geography. During the shortcourse we will offer a tutorial on Maple or Mathematica (your choice). We will also disseminate results from the 1992 NSF workshop. NSF is not funding this shortcourse, therefore anyone can participate (unlike the workshop). Unfortunately without such funding we have to charge a fee of $800 to cover our costs. This fee will cover room, board, materials, etc. Since we can't guess what the demand will be for this shortcourse, we are asking for a $50 deposit (which will count toward the registration fee) with each application. If we get 20 deposits by 23-April-1993, the course will run. If not, the $50 deposits will be returned. Please Email to RHIT.Shortcourse@Rose-Hulman.edu or contact Dr. David Purdy at 812-877-8321 or for an application if you are interested. ___________________________________________________________________ continued in issue 6.8
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: v6.9 - NeXT Nugget News Digest (vol. 6, issue 9, February, 1993) Message-ID: <6855@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 22 Feb 93 18:52:29 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy NeXT Nugget News Digest (vol. 6, issue 9, February, 1993) *** TABLE OF CONTENTS *** NeXT/NeXTSTEP RESOURCE GUIDE AND MISC. => 37. BANG-up Magazine Seeks Authors to Write Columns, Articles => 38. Announcing Yet Another NeXTSTEP Programming Book! => 39. New Mesa Spreadsheet User Open Forum forms => 40. NeXTSTEP 3.0 Documentation Reference => 41. Announcement: New CD ROM Disc For NeXTSTEP 3.0 Now Shipping => 42. FTP NeXTSTEP Public Domain and Demo Archives => 43. Music Kit and DSP Tools CDROM Release => 44. Winter 1993 release of NeXTanswers Now Available => 45. NeXTSTEP Information Management Applications on the Internet => 46. Internet Companion: A Beginner's Guide to Global Networking => 47. First Book on Programming in NeXTSTEP Release 3.0 => 47a.You can Order your technical Books by Email => 47b.Review of Mahoney/Garfinkel's NeXTSTEP Programming Book => 48. Announcing VVI Services Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Group Program (over 420 groups worldwide) ____________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________ NeXT/NeXTSTEP RESOURCE GUIDE AND MISC. => 37. BANG-up Magazine Seeks Authors to Write Columns, Articles BANG-up Magazine is a publication for NeXTSTEP users Updated January 12, 1993 BANG-up Magazine is targeted at the NeXT user community. The magazine covers a wide range of topics, both technical and non1technical. We continue to solicit articles, suggestions, and advertisements. We are now looking for new submissions of articles and columns for the upcoming issues of the magazine. All contributions remain the property of the author. Any submission to the magazine will be used at the sole discretion of BANG-up Magazine. BANG-up reserves the right to make editorial changes to original works as necessary. The next issue of the magazine will focus on Object Oriented Systems. What makes NeXT a leader in the race for object oriented platforms? How will the race for object oriented technology affect us, from the perspective of the user as well as the programmer. The following issue will focus on NeXTSTEP/486. In addition to the headline articles of the magazine, regular columns and articles are published which do not fall within the topics chosen for a specific issue. If you have a submission which is not specifically related to the topics at hand, please send us your work regardless! Send submissions to: bangup@dolphin.com Inquiries to: sherry@dolphin.com Advertising info: zac@dolphin.com OR CALL: 1-800-843-0328 If you have any questions regarding the magazine, please feel welcome to contact us at 1-800-843-0328 extension 2, or send NeXTMAIL to "sherry@dolphin.com." BANG-up is the user's publication for the Bay Area NeXT Group, a NeXT user group based in northern California. The magazine is published as a service of Dolphin Software Inc. ____________________________________________________________________ => 38. Announcing Yet Another NeXTSTEP Programming Book From: alex@pencom.com (Alex Duong Nghiem) I'm getting ready to wrap up my NeXTSTEP book (which includes a fair amount of Objective-C code), and I have placed a tar file on sonata.cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu under the submissions directory: the tar file (AlexNeXTSTEPBook.tar.Z) contains the table of contents and list of figures. The book will be published by Prentice-Hall and should be available before NeXTWorld on May 25-27. As for scope, the book is 500+ pages in the current format, although that may change when it's actually trimmed to fit the standard book size. BTW, the book will probably _not_ include a disk: the source code will be available via Internet and Usenet. I encourage you to download the file and check it out. If you need more info, please feel free to e-mail me directly: I'd be more than happy to answer any general questions, such as availability, coverage, etc. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 343-1111 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Austin, TX 78759 USA ____________________________________________________________________ => 39. New Mesa Spreadsheet User Open Forum forms Athena Design is proud to announce the Mesa e-mail alias. The intent of the alias is to allow people an open forum to discuss Mesa, its uses, features, short-comings, etc. The alias is mesa@athena.com. To subscribe, please send mail to mesa-request@athena.com. We would like to see a solid discussion of all issues regarding Mesa so we can respond with a better product. Thanks. David Pollak P.S. Mesa 1.3 is available for anonymous ftp at athena.com, Purdue, cs.orst.edu, and other places. In addition, we have put CultureShock into the public domain. Copy it and have fun. ____________________________________________________________________ => 40. NeXTSTEP 3.0 Documentation Reference Below are the ISBN numbers for ordering the new NeXTSTEP 3.0 documentation (that is currently shipping) from your local bookstore: Title: ISBN NeXTSTEP Development Tools and Technique, 0.201.63249.7 NeXTSTEP Network and System Administration, 0.201.63254.3 NeXTSTEP Operating System Software, 0.201.63252.7 NeXTSTEP Programming Interface Summary, 0.201.63253.5 NeXTSTEP User Interface Guidelines, 0.201.63250.0 NeXTSTEP General Reference, Vol. 1, 0.201.62220.3 NeXTSTEP General Reference, Vol. 2, 0.201.62221.1 NeXTSTEP OOP and the Objective C Language, 0.201.63251.9 * * Expected to ship on April 2, 1993. ____________________________________________________________________ => 41. Announcement: New CD ROM Disc For NeXTSTEP 3.0 Now Shipping Company: monoChrome Inc. Comany Address: 173 Westgate Drive Edison, NJ 08820-1163 Email: kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu soni@rwja.umdnj.edu szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu Product Name: monoLib (i.e. mono(lithic)Lib(rary)) Product Description: CD ROM full of shareware/freeware/demoware information,source code (examples, shareware/freeware/demoware, examples, GNU, pallettes classes etc), graphics (tiff, gif, eps, ps, etc), literature (recipies, bible, works of over 50 different authors, lyrics), refrences (FAQ's, NeXTanswers etc), and other files typically found on FTP (next and non next) archive sites. Other Info: -Over 1 gig of Information on 2 CD ROMs. -Information is uncompressed and usable right off the CD ROM -Information, references, literature are all indexed with Digital Librarian -A great wealth of programming examples and source code Pricing: $90.00 Volume, User Group, & Higher Education rates available. Our pricing structure is based on what organization you are from and what quantity you purchase... ******************************************************************** Educational/User Group/Reseller* (send photo copy proof that you are a student/staff/faculty member. If you are a usergroup member please ask your user group leaders to place an order for you) *If you would like to become a reseller please contact us to make arrangements. qty price 1-4 $75.00 each 5-24 $70.00 each 25-49 $65.00 each 50-99 $60.00 each 100+ contact us for larger orders Regular Pricing qty price 1-4 $90.00 each 5-24 $85.00 each 25-49 $75.00 each 50-99 $65.00 each 100+ contact us for larger orders ******************************************************************** Our Propaganda: We (John Kheit & Arvind Soni) are members of the NeXT Jersey Users Group and were putting together a public domainshareware/demoware/etc.ware collection for our NeXT user group. John was in charge of maintaining the software library for the group and found it was killing him. The users suggested that we put the over 1 gigabyte worth of software on a CD. So we did! This task was much more difficult than we had expected, but was extremely pleasureful because of all the great (and we really do mean this) people we got to know by making this product. We always thought that the NeXT community and its developers were wonderful people but doing this project has proven this to be fact. Please email us for further ordering information. Also, if you wish to see a listing of all the files that come on the two discs... you can find listing information order forms on nova.cc.purdue.edu in the pub/next/submissions or pub/next/3.0/demos or somewhere on the site! John & Arv ____________________________________________________________________ => 42. FTP NeXTSTEP Public Domain and Demo Archives Below are some of the latest archived files on the sonata.cc.purdue.edu ftp archive site under /pub/next/submissions: (If you have an internet connection, use the command "ftp" or the public domain NeXTSTEP application: GatorFTP+, to retrieve or browse these files.) 93_winter_NeXTanswers_README 93_winter_NeXTanswers_docs.tar.Z 93_winter_NeXTanswers.tar.Z 92_fall_NeXTanswers_Supplement.tar.Z 92_summer_NeXTanswers_Supplement.tar.Z 93_winter_NeXTanswers_Supplement.tar EquationBuilder3.0.README EquationBuilder3.0.tar Mesa1.3.tar.Z ObjInspector.compressed gcc-2.3.3-NeXT.tar.Z Broadcast_1.0.compressed VirtSpace3.0-CORRECTION VirtSpace3.0.tar.Z PRI_NewProducts.tar.Z Nugget_News_Digest_Dec92.tar.Z Nugget_News_Digest_Nov92.tar.Z Nugget_News_Digest_Dec92.txt Nugget_News_Digest_Nov92.txt sounds Desktop1-1.README Desktop1-1.tar Digit.app.tar.Z Digit.README TimeFlies.1.8.tar.Z AlexNeXTSTEPBook.README AlexNeXTSTEPBook.tar.Z TimeWarp.tar.Z TimeWarp.README rman-dec92.tar.Z rman-README Dual_CPU_Back-plane.Z FrontDesk.tar.Z TimeSync1.0DEMO.tar.Z ScenePatch.app.compressed co-Xist3.0.demo.tar tip_zmodem.tar.Z tip_zmodem.Read.me score-inventions.tar.Z Presto_v0.9.6b.tar pCD.tar.Z.TAKEME photo_cd.tar.Z photo_cd.tar.Z.README pCD.tar.Z HP_LaserJet_4_PostScript_600DPI.ppd HP_LaserJet_4_PostScript_300DPI.ppd ____________________________________________________________________ => 43. Music Kit and DSP Tools CDROM Release The CD ROM release of the Music Kit and DSP Tools INSTALLATION PACKAGE comes free with a year membership to the Bay Area Next Users Group (BANG). To join BANG and obtain the CD ROM, send a check for US $35 to the following address: BANG P.O. Box 1731 Palo Alto, CA 94302 phone: (415) 327-BANG e-mail: info@BANG.org The CD ROM also contains a wide variety of other NeXT software. ____________________________________________________________________ => 44. Winter 1993 release of NeXTanswers Now Available The Winter 1993 release of NeXTanswers is now available on the Internet archive servers. NeXTanswers is a collection of answers to commonly asked technical questions about the NeXT Computer System. The topics covered include system administration, programming, and NeXT applications and should be indexed for use with Digital Librarian. NeXTanswers can be obtained three ways: by ftp from an archive server, by email from Purdue, or as a subscription on floppy disk from NeXT (call 1-800-484-NeXT for information). You'll want the latest release (in this case referred to by the 93_winter prefix). You can obtain NeXTanswers via anonymous ftp from one of the following Internet archive servers (it may be found on others as well): ________________________________________________________ hostname IP address directory ________________________________________________________ sonata.cc.purdue.edu 128.210.15.30 pub/next/docs/NeXT cs.orst.edu 128.193.32.1 pub/next/documents/NeXTanswers Note that at the time of this posting, NeXTanswers may still be in each archive server's submissions directory. The NeXTanswers release is also available by email from the Purdue archive server, for those without ftp access. Send a message consisting of "help" to archive-server@cc.purdue.edu. If the "From:" line in your message header will not be in Internet format (e.g. name@site.edu), include a line like path name@site.edu or path wellknownsite!yoursite!yourname@uunet.uu.net Note that name@site.bitnet or name@site.UUCP won't work. There are two versions of NeXTanswers: a complete set, and a monthly supplement for those who already have the previous month's complete set. The complete set is called 93_winter_NeXTanswers.tar.Z and occupies 664 Kb of disk space. The supplement is called 93_winter_NeXTanswers_Supplement.tar.Z, occupies 82 Kb, and contains files that are new or changed since the Fall 1992 release. When the Winter 1993 release is installed and indexed, it occupies about 2.41 Mb. Each release also includes instructions on how to install and use NeXTanswers. The documentation (INSTALL.rtf, README.rtf, and CHANGES) is included in a separate file called 93_winter_NeXTanswers_docs.tar.Z. ____________________________________________________________________ => 45. NeXTSTEP Information Management Applications on the Internet If you are in the internet, you have to try these public domain applications! Here are a few Internet Applications that are available for the NeXTSTEP environment among others. These tools can be used by anyone on the internet to help you better manage information. If you know of other available tools or applications in progress, please drop me a message. thanks, Conrad_Geiger@next.com. >From David Spitzler: Archie.app The School of Computer Science at McGill University developed a server that enables users to locate programs, documents, etc. on the Internet (more than 300,000 machines). More than 1000 sites are archive servers. To simplify the task of locating files, McGill wrote software that lists and updates all files at archive sites. It proved so popular that McGill now makes the service available to anyone on the Internet. McGill calls its server Archie, the "server's server." Archie allows users to search for specific program names or strings and find which server contains the program, or to list all the software on the server at a particular site. GatorFTP+ A full featured, graphical front-end to the FTP protocol. Commonly used FTP sites can be selected from an on-screen scroll view, and connection to a remote site is made by the click of a button. GatorFTP+ displays remote directories in a NeXT-style browser and allows multiple "puts" and "gets". There is also an automatic "uncompress" and "untar" feature. Gopher.app The internet Gopher uses a simple client/server protocol that can be used to publish and search for information held on a distributed network of hosts. Gopher clients have a seamless view of the information in the gopher world even though the information is distributed over many different hosts. Clients can either navigate through a heirarchy of directories and documents or ask an index server to return a list of all documents that contain one or more words. Since the index server does full-text searches every word in every document is a keyword. The NeXT-Gopher client is now being maintained at Michigan State University. The Gopher release (available via FTP at boombox.micro.umn.edu) also bundles and app called Ph which gives you access to directory information at many universities. It is used to obtain traditional phone book information. More importantly, for e-mail users, it provides access to e-mail addresses. Some Universities provide other data, such as information about courses, restaurants, and weather. Ph is a client program. It communicates with a server program, written by the Computing Services Office (CSO) at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign. LibraryOfCongress.app This is an interface to an Internet service for searching the Library of Congress card catalog. You can find items in the catalog and then e-mail orders to on-line bookstores to "check them out." This app was written by Mike Hawley, of the MIT Media Lab. Tree.app Also known as "Gopher in a Forest," this is a graphical look at "gopherspace," this app, although totally useless as an information access tool, is a nice virtual reality demo. Every gopher site worldwide can be visualized as a tree, with "wires" connecting the branches of different sites. WAIS WAIS stands for Wide Area Information Servers and is a protocol between clients and servers for accessing and retrieving information. A NeXT client called WASItation allows you to tap into a variety of databases around the world. You can also use WAIStation to create your own databases. Originally conceived for commercial purposes for distributing for-profit information (i.e Dow Jones), this is a public domain package that is used widely in education for accessing many WAIS and Gopher servers. Weather.app An interface to weather information, primarily via the Weather Underground at the University of Michigan College of Engineering, Atmospheric, Oceanic, and Space Sciences (downwind.sprl.umich.edu). Sources include Zephyr Weather Information, National Weather Service forecasts for US cities and regions, ski reports, Environment Canada weather information, severe weather logs from the National Severe Storms Forecast Center, and earthquake reports from the U.S. Geological Survey. The interface also fetches weather maps and taps other material from the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder (ncar.ucar.edu), the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (vmd.cso.uiuc.edu), labs at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (everest.lcs.mit.edu, synoptic.mit.edu), the Solar Terrestrial Dispatch (xi.uleth.ca), the University of Washington (geophys.washington.edu), and Contel (duats.contel.com) which provides FAA flight planning and weather information. This app was written by Mike Hawley of the MIT Media Lab. ____________________________________________________________________ => 46. Internet Companion: A Beginner's Guide to Global Networking A new book entitled the Internet Companion: A Beginner's Guide to Global Networking (Addison-Wesley, $10.95) was just published, and a sample chapter of it is available via ftp at world.std.com in /OBS/The.Internet.Companion. The forward is by US Vice President-Elect, Al Gore. ____________________________________________________________________ => 47. First Book on Programming in NeXTSTEP Release 3.0 News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Allan M. Wylde, Publisher TELOS, The Electronic Library of Science (408) 249-9314 First Book on Programming in NeXTSTEP Release 3.0 Published by TELOS NeXTSTEP Programming--STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Appclications Simson L. Garfinkel and Michael K. Mahoney ISBN: 0-387-97884-4 Price: $39.95 Hardbound, 672 pages, includes DOS diskette Santa Clara, Calif., December 18, 1992 - TELOS (The Electronic Library of Science) announced today that it has released NeXTSTEP Programming-STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Applications, by Simson L. Garfinkel and Michael K. Mahoney, the first comprehensive instruction manual for new NeXTSTEP users. NeXTSTEP Programming is a hands-on book that teaches programmers how to write applications that take full advantage of NeXTSTEP, the object-oriented operating-environment from NeXT Computer, Inc. Priced at $39.95, NeXTSTEP Programming comes with a DOS floppy disk that contains complete source code for all programs used in the book and a tutorial for Interface Builder, the object editor bundled with the NeXTSTEP development environment. The disk is compatible with NeXT hardware and with any PC hardware running NeXTSTEP 486, the NeXTSTEP operating environment for 486 PCs, available in early 1993. NeXTSTEP combines object-oriented programming tools, interface-customizing utilities, a multi-tasking UNIX operating system, built-in networking, multimedia connections and Display PostScript for WYSIWYG capabilities. Table of Contents (chapters): Preface 1. Intro to the NeXTSTEP Graphical User Interface 2. NeXTSTEP Development Tools 3. Creating a Simple Application with Interface Builder 4. Creating an Application without Interface Builder 5. Building a Project: A Four-Function Calculator 6. Nibs and Icons 7. Delegation and Resizing 8. Events and Responders 9. Mach and the Window Server 10. MathPaper and Multiple Windows 11. Spawning Multiple Processes and the Text Object 12. Text and Rich Text 13. Saving, Loading, and Printing 14. Drawing with Display PostScript 15. Draw Yourself: All About NeXTSTEP Views 16. GraphPaper: A Multi-Threaded Application with a Display List 17. Color 18. View Resizing and Mouse Tracking 19. Zooming and Saving Graphics Files 20. The Pasteboard and Services 21. Preferences and Defaults Appendix A: Source Code Listings Appendix B: References Index About the Authors Simson Garfinkel is Senior Editor at NeXTWORLD Magazine and an experienced NeXTSTEP developer. He is also the co-author of Practical UNIX Security. Michael Mahoney is professor and chair of the Computer Engineering and Computer Science Department at California State University, Long Beach, and is president of the Southern California NeXTSTEP Users Group (SCaN). About TELOS TELOS is an imprint of Springer-Verlag New York, with publishing facilities at 3600 Pruneridge Avenue, Suite 200, Santa Clara, Calif. 95051. Its publishing domain encompasses the natural and physical sciences, computer science, mathematics, and engineering. TELOS strives to wed the traditional print medium with the emerging electronic media to provide the reader with a truly interactive multimedia information environment. All TELOS publications delivered on paper come with an associated electronic component. A limited number of review copies are available. Contact Cindy Peterson of Springer-Verlag at (408) 249-9314 for a copy. To Order: Call TOLL FREE 1-800-SPRINGER (1-800-777-4643) 8:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. (EST) Credit Cards Accepted: American Express, MasterCard, Visa, Discover In New Jersey: Call (201) 348-4033 Purchase Orders To: Springer-Verlag New York, Inc., 44 Hartz Way, Secaucus, NJ 07096 Fax Purchase Orders To: (201) 348-4505 NY, NJ, MA, VT and CA residents should include applicable sales tax. Canadian residents should include 7% GST. Shipping: Add $2.50 for the first book; $1.00 for subsequent books. Foreign Airmail Orders: Add $10.00 per book. All orders are processed upon receipt. Prices quoted are payable in U.S. currency. For information on bulk sales of 10 or more, please contact the Scicom department of Springer-Verlag at (212) 460-1675. For information on 30-day examination copies for course adoption, please contact Lilliana Sierra at (201) 348-4033 ext. 322. __________________________________________________________________ => 47a. 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More importantly, everything is presented in the most meaningful context possible: development of full-blown applications. Their example applications are well chosen both in terms of being relevant and interesting to a wide audience as well as providing an appropriate setting for applying all of the tools which they present. The difficulty and complexity of the examples progresses fairly smoothly so that the numerous hurdles of understanding which must be overcome seem relatively tractable at the time when they are reached. The book was written with obvious care and contains surprisingly few typos. Source code is provided on an accompanying disk and, with very few exceptions, it works as expected. The examples presented essentially provide just the sort of annotated templates that a newcomer needs to begin fashioning his or her own apps. All in all, I enjoyed reading Step One; I learned a lot from it; and I strongly recommend it to anyone who wants to learn about NeXTSTEP programming. Duane Storti University of Washington Email: storti@u.washington.edu ____________________________________________________________________ => 48. Announcing VVI Services For Immediate Release: Contact: e-mail: support@vvi.com voice: 814-234-9613 FAX : 814-234-9614 VVI, a development company specializing in NeXTSTEP products, introduces services and products, available now, for NeXTSTEP developers to market, license, and distribute their NeXTSTEP applications. Imagine the future of marketing and sales: A user launches the marketing program and reads about a whole host of applications and resources. The description of a particular application is interesting and they want a copy! They get it at the click of a button. A few minutes later the user is demo'ing it, they like it - it's what they need! With some fill in the blanks and a click of the button they are registered for a commercial version of the application, with password in hand! The user has immediate access to the applications they need and the developer has immediate access to their market! Everybody wins! But, not only is this the future, IT'S THE PRESENT! It's happening as you read! The software and service to do this have been rigorously tested and are used now for products distributed by VVI. This is what VVI provides: Distribution Application - A network oriented distribution and marketing application called VVdistributor. Clients can distribute and use the developer's applications at the click of a button! The documentation includes brochure templates for integration into this application. This application, when appropriate, will differentiate between host type and other client environment factors so distribution to different machines is always easy, efficient and transparent to the user. Licensing Object Library - A software marketing library which consists of ready-made Objective-C Objects for registration, licensing, protection, demonstration mode, and distribution. This represents a time saving resource which would take the equivalent of another application to develop. Done in the true spirit of object oriented programming! A High Speed Network Server - The developer's market gets immediate access to their latest products through our dedicated network server. There is no need for costly duplication of floppies, CD's, or mass mailings. Since products are immediately retrievable with no version limitations the developer can respond quickly and appropriately to any operating system updates, computer platform changes, or code additions. Billing and Registration - VVI provides billing and registration service. Users click their buttons and we click ours! We have developed internal applications with nice NeXTSTEP user interfaces for the registration process. These services and products are particularly apropos in the light of developments regarding platform changes and operating system upgrades. Once applications are integrated into this marketing and distribution system developers can respond quickly to any changes. Imagine what it will be like to have this capability during the 3.0 to 486 (and other(s)) transition! This is a comprehensive network-marketing system with no stone unturned! It's a WIN WIN situation! Developers win, the users win! To find out how to win contact VVI at: e-mail: support@vvi.com voice: 814-234-9613 FAX : 814-234-9614 VVimaging, Inc. (VVI) has developed software applications and libraries for the NeXT computer since 1989. VVimaging, VVI, and VVdistributor are trademarks of VVimaging, Inc. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. ____________________________________________________________________ continued in issue 6.10
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Ethernet Cards: SMC vs. WD Message-ID: <1993Feb22.093816.24607@Celestial.COM> Date: 22 Feb 93 09:38:16 GMT References: <18540@umd5.umd.edu> Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA In <18540@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: :Thanks to everyone who's responded so quickly (Ross Garrett Cutler, Donald :Becker, and Philip McDunnough so far). The answer is yes, the SMC and WD :cards are functionally identical. :I look forward to verifying this by the acid test. :-) From what I've heard this is not correct. The SCO LLI drivers had to be modified to support the SMC cards -- even though they had the same part numbers. I don't know the technical details. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software UUCP: ...!thebes!camco!bill 6641 East Mercer Way uunet!camco!bill Mercer Island, WA 98040; (206) 947-5591 SPEED COSTS MONEY -- HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO?
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: v6.11 - NeXT Nugget News Digest (vol. 6, issue 11, February, 1993) Message-ID: <6857@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 22 Feb 93 19:39:43 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy NeXT Nugget News Digest (vol. 6, issue 11, February, 1993) *** TABLE OF CONTENTS *** NeXT / NeXTSTEP JOB POSITION OPENINGS => 55. Trirex System: NeXTSTEP and SYBASE Experience => 56. NeXT Developers Positions in New Jersey and London => 57. Wanted to hire: proficient NeXTSTEP programmers in Dallas => 58. NeXTSTEP Design and Customer Application programming in Midwest => 59. NeXT Multimedia Software Engineering Positions Available => 60. ICTV: NeXTSTEP development experience => 61. Software Engineer Position at Ixion in Seattle => 62. NeXT Network Analyst Position on East Coast of US => 63. Australian NeXT Development Opportunities => 64. NeXTSTEP Programmer/Analyst Positions in Chicago & Atlanta => 65. SmartSoft NeXTSTEP Opportunities in Milwaukee => 66. Medical NeXTSTEP Experience (Duke Medical Center) => 67. NeXT Application Developers for Atlanta, Georgia => 68. Wanted: Office Manager/Executive Assistant (S. California) All previous 47 Nugget News Digest issues from 1992 are archived at the Purdue ftp archive site: sonata.cc.purdue.edu. Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Group Program (over 420 groups worldwide) ____________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________ NeXT / NeXTSTEP JOB POSITION OPENINGS => 55. Trirex System: NeXTSTEP and SYBASE Experience Contact: Nicole Martin: nmartin@trirex.com Challenge yourself: Become part Trirex Systems' Worldwide Expansion Are you looking for a challenging opportunity to utilize your advanced information technology skills? Trirex Systems, Inc., a leading systems integration firm specializing in object oriented, client server solutions has several immediate openings as part of its worldwide expansion. Trirex provides professional services, mission critical custom application development, and training to Fortune 1000 companies in the financial and retail services, and government marketplaces. With 5 offices in the U.S., one in Brazil and the one in the U.K., challenging opportunities are available worldwide. Trirex offers competitive compensation, an attractive benefits package and is an equal opportunity employer. If you would like to work for a company that offers a stimulating environment, some of the best talent in the industry and an opportunity to continue refining your expertise, this is for you. Currently we have the following openings: POSITION: SYBASE SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR & DBA LOCATION: NEW YORK CITY METROPOLITAN AREA DESCRIPTION: SYSTEMS SUPPORT & MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS: SYBASE, SUN and/or NeXT APPLICATIONS: FINANCIAL NOTE: GOOD COMMUNICATION SKILLS POSITION: PROGRAMMER ANALYST LOCATION: NEW YORK CITY METROPOLITAN AREA DESCRIPTION: OBJECT-ORIENTED ANALYSIS & DESIGN EXPERIENCE PROGRAMMING IN NETWORKED ENVIRONMENTS. REQUIREMENTS: C, C++, OBJECTIVE C, GUI APPLICATIONS: FINANCIAL ____________________________________________________________________ => 56. NeXT Developers Positions in New Jersey and London NeXT DEVELOPERS New Jersey and London Opportunity #001DR Major client is looking for 6 Sr. NeXT Developers for positions in either New Jersey or *London*. These can be either contract (1-3) years or full time (permanent) opportunities. You must have a minimum of 3 yrs NeXT development background. Experience with Sybase and financial systems is highly desirable. DB Lib and DB Kit are required for some positions. These positions are immediate starts. Contract rates to $60/hr Salaries to $80,000 For information please contact Mini-Systems Associates 100 Homeland Court, Suite 405 San Jose, CA 95112 Wendy Barberi: 408-451-02258 or William Santos 408-451-0254 Fax: 408-451-0277 Email: alanh@cup.portal.com ____________________________________________________________________ => 57. Wanted to hire: proficient NeXTSTEP programmers in Dallas Contact: Peter Bendor-Samuel The Everest Group 15505 Wright Bros. Drive Dallas TX 75244 Telephone: (214) 385-1106. ____________________________________________________________________ => 58. NeXTSTEP Design and Customer Application programming in Midwest Contact: Bob O'Boyle HTA 800-482-0040 FAX: 708-577-8131 Looking for experienced NeXT programmer to be in charge of all aspects of design, UI, programming for a custom, inhouse app for a large midwestern NeXT customer. Title is "Advisor for Engineering Computing" ____________________________________________________________________ => 59. NeXT Multimedia Software Engineering Positions Available Imagine Multimedia, Inc. is looking for several excellent NeXT programmers. If you're tired of solving the same old problems and want to work in an exciting, small, and growing company, then check us out. Imagine is a 3.5 year old company specializing in multimedia publishing tools. Our primary focus is the NeXT computer and various multimedia publishing solutions, including CD-I. We are located in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Salary and fringe benefits are competitive. We are hiring now. Applicants should have: - 4+ years of industry experience - Masters of Computer Science or comparable experience - 1+ years of NeXTStep development experience - Excellent communication skills Any of the following qualifications will help the applicant: - Experience with multimedia and the issues involved - Experience in managing development projects - Experience in architecture and/or interface design for complex applications - Experience in OS/9 development ================= PLEASE note your skills clearly in your cover letter and resume. We would hate to pass up the perfect person because we missed something important! ================= Send letters and/or resumes to: resumes@imagine.com ____________________________________________________________________ => 60. ICTV: NeXTSTEP development experience ICTV currently has 2 NeXT based engineering positions available. ICTV (Interactive Consumer Television) is a Silicon Valley start up company, with excellent advancement opportunities and a competitive compensation package. ICTV is currently building a consumer oriented interactive multimedia system for near term deployment. ICTV is an equal opportunity employer. JUNIOR SOFTWARE ENGINEER/ ADMINISTRATOR Minimal requirements include: - BA or equivalent in Computer Science or related field. - At least 6 months experience with NeXTSTEP. - A strong Unix/C background. - A desire to learn. SENIOR SOFTWARE ENGINEER Minimal requirements include: - MS or equivalent in Computer Science or related field. - 5+ years industry experience. - 1-2 years NeXTStep experience or solid background in object oriented development. - A solid Unix/C background. - Strong knowledge in at least one of the following areas: * Distributed Computing, Networking, and Client/Server architectures * Database design experience * Language design * Communications * Multimedia systems * Video * Audio and Video Compression algorithms. Successful applicants must be willing to work in a team environment and be energized to meet aggressive deadlines. If you are interested in MultiMedia it is happening here. Send (preferably EMAIL) a cover letter and resume describing your experience to: Bruce D. Nilo VP Software Systems c/o ICTV 280 Martin Ave. Santa Clara, CA 95050 FAX: 408 986 9566 EMAIL bruce@ictv.com (NeXT Mail Welcome.) ____________________________________________________________________ => 61. Software Engineer Position at Ixion in Seattle Ixion, an industry leader in creating medical simulation systems, has an immediate need for a qualified software engineer. The successful candidate will have demonstrated skills in the following areas: > Knowledge engineering > Heterogeneous Ethernet based networking > Co-routine development for real-time operations > Object oriented software development > Strong written & verbal communication skills This position requires day-to-day interaction with the graphic nature of medical procedures. The products Ixion produces are on the leading edge of practical applications using 3-D technology and multi-media systems. To apply, send your resume and salary history to: Ixion, Inc. attn: Software Engineer 1335 N. Northlake Way Seattle, WA 98103, Principals only. Please reply to jstan@ixion.com ____________________________________________________________________ => 62. NeXT Network Analyst Position on East Coast of US Computing Analysis Corporation has challenging positions available for those with knowledge of these areas: TCP/IP OSI Stack AppleTalk Unix Macintosh NeXT Network Analyst (3-5 Years experience) System admin, troubleshooting, product evaluation, system integration, task leading Sr. Network Analyst (5-8 Years experience) Project leadership, sytem integration, strategic planning, client interaction skills. Please send your resume to geoyang@darpa.mil or fax it to (703) 525-6672. For more information about the position please call Rick Jones at (703) 527-1451. ___________________________________________________________________ => 63. Australian NeXT Development Opportunities Contact: Brett Adam Director, Business Development Codex Software Development Pty. Ltd. (Melbourne, Australia) PO Box 293, Albert Park 3206 Victoria, Australia Fax: +61 3 696 6757 Email: bpja@codex.com.au Codex Software Development is the premier provider of commercial NeXT development and consulting services in Australia. In recognition of the expanding Australian market, Codex plans to increase it commitment to specialised NeXTSTEP development throughout 1993. Codex is looking to engage both permament and sub-contract staff this year, and is thus inviting persons with NeXT experience and/or the desire to become involved in NeXT development to submit personal resumes detailing relevant experience and enthusiasm for consideration as positions become available. Strong skills in UNIX and object-oriented programming are required, as is an outgoing and friendly disposition. Codex also places strong emphasis on software quality and hence a commitment to software engineering principals is a distinct advantage. Get in early and take advantage of the chance to work with THE hottest NeXT projects in what promises to be a very exciting new marketplace for Australia. All resumes should be addressed to Brett Adam at the address below. NeXTMail is also fine, provided the document is either Edit format, RTF or PostScript. Requests for more information should be sent via e-mail to bpja@codex.com.au No calls please. Codex is an equal opportunity employer. Contact: Brett Adam Director, Business Development Codex Software Development Pty. Ltd. (Melbourne, Australia) PO Box 293, Albert Park 3206 Victoria, Australia Fax: +61 3 696 6757 Email: bpja@codex.com.au ____________________________________________________________________ => 64. NeXTSTEP Programmer/Analyst Positions in Chicago & Atlanta Title: Programmer/Analyst - Developer(2 openings) Areas: Chicago and Atlanta Skills required: NeXT Computer, Objective "C" Experience required: One year Minimum Commercial Experience on a NEXT in Objective "C" Benefits: Full Health and Pension Degree: Preferred Positions: Both are Permanent Career Positions ************************ To apply: Fax resume to: Tom Gugger Eagle Group 419-882-7339 Mail resume to: Tom Gugger Eagle Group PO Box 8167 Sylvania, OH 43560 Or Call: 419-882-8006 ___________________________________________________________________ => 65. SmartSoft NeXTSTEP Opportunities in Milwaukee SmartSoft is a new software development venture in the Milwaukee, WI area. We are looking for creative programmers well versed in the NeXTSTEP environment to design and implement products ranging from tridimensional graphics to information management. We are looking for experienced individuals with good management skills that will undertake high levels of responsibility. All positions require a collaborative contribution and the ability to work with people of varied professional backgrounds. Senior positions require the ability to manage Junior Engineers. Position requirements: Senior Software Engineers BSCC, MS preferred Expertise in NeXTSTEP application development Substantial experience in object-oriented program design and development Substantial experience with graphics, Display PostScript, highly encouraged. Objective-C, C++ Writing and communication skills a plus Junior Software Engineers BSCC or equivalent degree NeXTSTEP application development experience Experience in object-oriented design and development Objective-C, C++ Writing and communication skills a plus SmartSoft offers excellent growth opportunities, and a very creative dynamic work environment. If you are interested in becoming part of our innovative team please send your resume with a cover letter to: SmartSoft c/o Diana Jagusch 2220 East Linnwood Avenue Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53211 email: smartsoft@parsec.mixcom.com ___________________________________________________________________ => 66. Medical NeXTSTEP Experience (Duke Medical Center) Duke University Medical Center Information Systems is looking for bright, energetic individuals with experience in PC/workstation systems development. Requirements include experience developing applications in a GUI environment (OS/2, NeXTStep, Windows, Mac) using object-oriented tools (Smalltalk, C++, Objective C, etc) and client server design. A CS degree or equivalent experience is required. Cross-platform development and SYBASE/DB2 experience a plus. Please contact: Michael Pickett BOX 3900 DUMC, DURHAM, NC, 27710 (919) 286-6369 (FAX) PICKE001@MC.DUKE.EDU (INTERNET-Non NeXT) PICKE001@BULLNEXT.MC.DUKE.EDU (INTERNET-NeXT) ___________________________________________________________________ => 67. NeXT Application Developers for Atlanta, Georgia Information Management Inc., a growing Atlanta based systems integration and consulting firm, is planning to hire several NeXT application developers in the next few months. We design custom applications and information systems for a wide range of companies in the Southeast and beyond. We specialize in working with advanced desktop technologies to develop unique, state of the art information systems for workgroups in a variety of business settings. Our positions offer the flexibility to work on an array of different projects and learn new tools. We're looking for talented individuals who are willing to accept high levels of responsibility and can work well in team or solo environments. Position offered: NeXTstep Application Development This person will be involved in all activities related to software application development, including needs assessment, formulation of the development process and procedures, prototyping, programming, testing, host systems connectivity and network communications. B.S. in Computer Science or equivalent is required with relevant work experience. Experience with UNIX, NeXTstep, Objective C and database systems is desirable. Beyond NeXT expertise, individuals having extensive experience with UNIX based information systems, database management systems, object oriented design and GUI in business environments will be considered. Information Management Inc. offers a friendly working environment, paid health insurance, profit sharing, 401K retirement plan and the opportunity for advancement. Please direct your inquiries to Mark Hampton at Information Management. Addresses are: Internet: mark@infoman.com Telephone: (404)377-4840 Ext. 307 Fax: (404)377-5116 Address: Mark Hampton Information Management, Inc. 150 East Ponce de Leon Ave. Suite 430 Decatur, GA 30030 Wanted: Office Manager (Los Angeles area, California) Contact: Alison Thomas Email: athomas@ata.com Send resumes to 14238 Dickens, #4, Sherman Oaks, CA 91423 ___________________________________________________________________ => 68. Wanted: Office Manager/Executive Assistant (S. California) Location: Southern California Allison Thomas Associates, Inc., a rapidly-growing public relations & marketing agency in Sherman Oaks catering exclusively to the high-tech community, is looking for an office manager/executive assistant. Duties include: supplies ordering, shared phone answering, computer database upkeep, liaison with bookkeeper, travel and other personal duties for president, mail room clerk oversight. Pay $25,000-$30,000, depending on experience. Opportunity for mobility to junior PR account executive, if desired. Contact: Allison Thomas at athomas@ata.com or mail resume to 14238 Dickens, #4, Sherman Oaks, CA 91423 ___________________________________________________________________ end of Nugget News Digest - vol. 6, issues 2-11, February, 1993
From: nick@carie.mcs.mu.edu (Nick Wilhelm-Olsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Problems w/ external HD Date: 22 Feb 1993 20:58:55 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mbeqf$qc1@spool.mu.edu> Hello netters, I am having a very wierd and annoying problem with my external hard drive on an 040 cube. It seems that no matter what we do, a user (non-root) always owns the directories. If we try a chown -R root.wheel . at the root directory of the external hard drive, after it is done, the directories are *STILL* owned by the smae user as before. Note: this user is NOT id 0. He is not in the group wheel. No matter what we try, he still owns the hard drive. To make things worse, he doesn't know how he did this. He is a *very* novice user. Someone help me please, because I can't figure this one out. Thanks. Nick Wilhelm-Olsen NeXTmail Welcome!
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Public Key Encryption and Mail.app Date: 22 Feb 1993 17:38:10 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mb322$55p@steffi.demon.co.uk> For those people wanting Public Key Encryption in Mail.app or any other app couldn't one achieve this by writing a service. Something like. A service communicates with a repository using Distributed objects to allow the passing of a public key and then simply using the senders private key to do the other bit. The service could simply scan the article for the senders id and map that to their public key. Not knowing all that much about public key encryption (I only did a 10 minute talk on it once for a class,2 years ago) is this possible? I think it would be a productive and educational exercise for Distributed objects for sure. If somebody mails me the spec for Public Key encryption (No libraries near by im afraid) I will take a crack at this. Cheers.
From: tye@elvis.mit.edu (Tye Brady) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DSP Date: 22 Feb 1993 21:52:25 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <1mbhupINN6gr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1m6qhfINN96m@fido.asd.sgi.com> In article <1m6qhfINN96m@fido.asd.sgi.com> mtj@babar.asd.sgi.com (Michael Jones) writes: > I'm interested in knowing if there are reasons why a user would > feel that an independent DSP was essential, or important, as > compared to a "that much faster" system CPU and bus. One of the reasons an independent DSP is useful in an integrated computer environment because we then do not have to rely on the computer manufacturer to devise the I/O specifications. What was useful with the Motorola 56k+nEXt combination was the fact that nEXt had to comply with the same DSP specifications as the world, so we shared common ground. The nEXt computer also integrated the DMA bus with the DSP nicely which makes our 5 MBits/sec image acquisition possible. Another reason independent DSP's are useful in an integrated platform is for ground support and code development. Because the same DSP is used in the spacecraft hardware, we can use the computer as our interface to do some image analysis and IO processing on the ground. Ours is just one example of some of the more popular uses of DSP's. Code development was more cost effective on a workstation than on a special non-mainstream piece of equipment that supported the DSP environment. When an independent DSP is integrated in the platform, there is hope that it will be supported by the computer manufacturer as far as development examples and drivers go (read..SoundKit), but nEXt did do a marginal job here. Hats off to the CCCRMA folks though, and <hopefully> continuing support. I am not opposed to "much, much faster CPU's" that inherit all the DSP traits as long as there exists an INDUSTRY STANDARD <super> serial port spec (say 200-400MB/sec stuff), which I gather has been talked about with the major players. hack hack, tye
From: nick@carie.mcs.mu.edu (Nick Wilhelm-Olsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Adding Recycler to a file system? Date: 22 Feb 1993 22:34:30 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mbkdm$1bo@spool.mu.edu> Hey Netters, How do I go about adding a Recycler to a filesystem. This seems like it would be a common problem, but.... I checked the FAQ and it wasn't there. Thanks for your help. Nick Wilhelm-Olsen NeXTmail Welcome! P.S. The External HD bug has been fixed thanks to Steve Hayman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: emcs@uno.edu (The Barren One) Subject: (?) Suppressing burst pages Message-ID: <1993Feb22.223707.24097@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 22:37:07 GMT Howdy. Situation: Here in the Computer Science department we use burst pages (header sheets, whatever you call them) to separate the printout. Problem: When a user specifies, say, 10 copies in the print window whatever NeXT does to print the file causes *10 burst pages to print*. When the file is short and the number of copies is large this can be very expensive. Questions: Has someone discovered-a-way/written-a-patch/spun-a-magic-spell to stop multiple burst pages from being printed when multiple copies of a file are requested? Some things I've discovered: It is possible to work around this problem by editing the PostScript(tm) code that is submitted for printing, but I am looking for another solution since this would be a pain for the users. Apparently the way the NeXT submits multiple copies is to produce the PS code for one and submit it n times. (Too bad someone at NeXT didn't write a smarter print routine). Any comments regarding my problem are welcome (especially if I am over- looking something obvious, I hate that! :)) Ed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: FAQ Icon? (RTF response) Message-ID: <77b4w-_@rpi.edu> Keywords: RTF icons References: <1993Feb21.102418.1444@mattcube> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 22:39:50 GMT matt%mattcube@concert.net (Matthew M. Stecker) writes: > Has anyone made a nice .dir.tiff for a folder containing > the FAQ? (I hate blank folder Icons on my librarian shelf). > > If no one has one, I'll make one and submit it somewhere . . . 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From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: v6.8 - NeXT Nugget News Digest (vol. 6, issue 8, February, 1993) Message-ID: <6863@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 22 Feb 93 22:57:45 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM NeXT Nugget News Digest (vol. 6, issue 8, February, 1993) *** TABLE OF CONTENTS *** NeXT PRESS, MEDIA, and NET HIGHLIGHTS (December/January) => 24. Announcing NeXT Users' Choice Champions at NeXT Computer => 25. NeXT Users' Choice Software Award (NUCA) Winners 1992 => 26. NeXTWORLD Magazine is now publishing 6 times per year => 27. NeXTReview: New NeXT User Community Publication this Spring => 28. NeXT in the News: Technical Articles & NeXT Envy NeXT/NeXTSTEP RESOURCE GUIDE AND MISC. => 29. NeXT Schedule of Courses (February - June, 1993) => 30. NeXT Classes in Europe => 31. NeXT Section on GEnie (Electronic Bulletin Board System) => 32. Call for User Group Events, Seminars and Shows => 33. Virtuoso Tablet Support => 34. Cube Route, Inc. => 35. Change for Access to NeXT t-shirts, pens => 36. Call for Nominations: CD-ROM WORLD DISC PRODUCT OF THE YEAR Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Group Program (over 420 groups worldwide) ____________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________ NeXT PRESS, MEDIA, and NET HIGHLIGHTS (December/January) => 24. Announcing NeXT Users' Choice Champions at NeXT Computer Below are this year's NeXT Users' Choice Champions at NeXT Computer, as selected by the NeXT users that received and responded to the Nugget News Digest survey form in November, 1992. NeXT Users' Choice Grand Champion (based on the number of votes received) Ali Ozer NeXT Users' Choice Champions John Pierce Paula Lorenz Randy Nelson Sam Streeper 68 other individuals at NeXT Computer were also recognized for their outstanding contributions to the NeXT user community. Thank you to all the participated in this year's voting! ____________________________________________________________________ => 25. NeXT Users' Choice Software Award (NUCA) Winners 1992 Contact: John Kheit Email: kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu Below are listed the winners of the Software NeXT Users' Choice Awards for 1992 as selected by the NeXT users who replied to the survey. Altsys' Virtuoso was the single best product in that it won in the Software Desk Top Publishing, Software Graphics and Overall Best Software categories. Congratulations to all of the winners! Overall Product of the Year_________________________________ 1. NeXTSTEP 3.0 2. Virtuoso 3. Executor 4. Create 4. InstantTeX 4. Presto Others mentioned (in alphabetical order) Concurrence Cub'X Window Garfinkell-Mahoney Book gcc NeXTTeX+TeXView+dvips by Tom Rokicki PasteUp QuickStart SCREENCAST Stuart Software___________________________________________________ Audio------------------------------------------------------ 1. Presto 2. NeXT CDPlayer 2. Simon Says Others Mentioned Eric Clapton 'Unplugged' EdSnd2 GISO3.0.app SoundWorks Communications--------------------------------------------- 1. NXFax 2. SLIP, Louis Mamakos 3. MicroPhone Pro 4. Marble Teleconnect 4. NewsGrazer 4. tip Others Mentioned Kermit MailHelper NeXTMail DataBase--------------------------------------------------- 1. DataPhile 2. DBInspector 2. DBKit 2 Others Mentioned IXKit Developer-------------------------------------------------- 1. NeXTstep 3.0 2. ProjectBuilder Others Mentioned AppKit Bill Tschumy (Screencast) CheckItOut gcc Gnu Obj-C runtime HeaderViewer InterfaceBuilder RightBrain Stuart SuperDebugger Dest Top Publishing---------------------------------------- 1. Virtuoso 2. PastUp 3. Create 3. Diagram Others Mentioned Adobe Illustrator Concurrence FrameMaker NeXTTeX RedMark Game------------------------------------------------------- 1. AcChen 2. Oxyd 3. Hunter 3. PacMan 3. Void Others Mentioned CyberZone GoldDigger Infocom Z-Code Player Lemmings MineHunter Graphic---------------------------------------------------- 1. Virtuoso 2. Diagram 2. Adobe Illustrator Others Mentioned 3D Reality Intuitiv 3D engine beta nPoint's 3D app TIFFany.app MultiMedia------------------------------------------------- 1. Concurrence 2. CraftMan Others Mentioned MediaView NeXTMail Presto Spreadsheet------------------------------------------------ 1. Improv 2. Mesa Others Mentioned Excel Scientific------------------------------------------------- 1. Mathematica 2. EquationBuilder Wordprocessing--------------------------------------------- 1. Edit 2. InstantTeX 2. NeXTTeX+TeXView+dvips by Tom Rokicki 4. WriteNow 2 Others Mentioned Emacs FrameMaker TeXView Word Utility---------------------------------------------------- 1. DarkForest 1. Backspace 1. Engage 4. Opener Others Mentioned AreaCode Cub'X Window DefaultManager Edit Executor MetroTools NFSManager Perl Poste QuickStart Stuart Virtuoso Video------------------------------------------------------ 1. Movie Others Mentioned NeXTtv Other------------------------------------------------------ 1. Big Green CD 1. Executor 1. monoLib CD ROM 1. SBook Others Mentioned IconBuilder PencilMeIn SciPlot SCREENCAST SortingInAction Overall Software Product of the Year_______________________ 1. Virtuoso 2. NeXTSTEP 3.0 3. InstantTeX 3. NeXTTeX+TeXView+dvips by Tom Rokicki 3. Presto Others Mentioned Concurrence Create Cub'X Window DataPhile Diagram Engage EquationBuilder gcc NewsGrazer PasteUp QuickStart SBook SCREENCAST Hardware____________________________________________________ Audio------------------------------------------------------ 1. Digital Ears Others Mentioned Infinity Kappa series speakers Communications--------------------------------------------- 1. ZyXEL U-1496E 2. Hayes ISDN Extender Others Mentioned Supra 14.4 fax/data modem Whole Internet User's Guide by E. Kroll Display---------------------------------------------------- 1. NeXT ADB 17" 2. NeXT ADB 21" Others Mentioned E-machines 16" Monitor Ikegami 20" Trinitron NEC 5FG monitor Graphic Input---------------------------------------------- 1. HSD Scan-X Color 2. Wacom Graphics Tablet Others Mentioned Color Digital Eye NeXT ADB Keyboard & Mouse Mass Storage----------------------------------------------- 1. NeXT CD ROM Drive 2. NeXT Optical Drive Others Mentioned Hewlett-Packard HP-35480A DAT tape drive 128MO drive HP-DAT drive (8GB) SyQuest 88Mb Drive Archive Python DAT Drive Prining/Output--------------------------------------------- 1. NeXT Color Printer 2. NeXT 400 dpi Laser Printer Others Mentioned HP4 & 4M Video------------------------------------------------------- 1. Next Dimension Other------------------------------------------------------- 1. NeXT ADB Keyboard & Mouse 4 Others Mentioned ISDN extender MIDI link NeXTwatch NeXT Screwdriver Ninja Risc Workstation Overall Hardware Product of the Year_______________________ 1. NeXTStation Color Turbo 2. ZyXEL U-1496E 3. NeXT ADB Keyboard & Mouse Others Mentioned Hayes ISDN Extender HP-35480A DAT tape drive HP-DAT drive (8GB) HP- PA RISC Workstations MIDI link NeXT CD ROM Drive Next Dimension ____________________________________________________________________ => 26. NeXTWORLD Magazine is now publishing 6 times per year To subscribe at the special subscription rate of $21.95, call 1-800-755-6398 or email to subscrip@nextworld.com or fax 303-443-5080. ____________________________________________________________________ => 27. NeXTReview: New NeXT User Community Publication this Spring Anyone interested in subscribing to the new monthly NeXT and NeXTSTEP dedicated publication... NeXTREVIEW can subscribe by phoning: 800-678-9724 or 512-250-9023 or by faxing to 512-331-3900. Subscriptions are $45 for 12 monthly issues. MC and Visa are accepted. ____________________________________________________________________ => 28. NeXT in the News: Technical Articles & NeXT envy Here are a few publications with NeXT technical articles published the past two months: THE C USERS JOURNAL Dec. 1992 Objective-C programming on NeXT / Taylor, Nigel; p. 35-42 DATAMATION Dec. 1, 1992 Coming soon : GUIs with smarts. [Microsoft's Windows and Apple's Mac interfaces made DOS look ancient. Now new GUIs from IBM and NeXT make Windows look old hat.] / Moad, Jeff ; p. 71-74 UNIXWORLD Nov. 1992 The next step for NeXTSTEP is PCs / Wolfe, Andrew D., Jr. ; p. 47-48 OPEN SYSTEMS TODAY January 18, 1993 Down with a Bad Case of NeXT Envy ____________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________ NeXT/NeXTSTEP RESOURCE GUIDE AND MISC. => 29. NeXT Schedule of Courses (February - June, 1993) Below is the schedule for the next five month of training classes at NeXT. To register or obtain more information, call 1-800-848-NeXT. If you are calling from outside the U.S. or don't have access to a touch-tone phone, call 510-732-5069. ** Programming NeXT Computers (Prerequisite: Proficiency in C Programming is highly recommended) Redwood City, CA _______________ Feb. 8-12 Mar. 8-12 Apr. 5-9 Apr. 12-16 May 3-7 May 10-14 May 31-June 4 June 7-11 Chicago, IL ____________ Feb. 22-26 Mar. 22-26 Apr. 19-23 May 17-21 June 14-18 Westport, CT ____________ Feb. 15-19 Mar. 1-5 Apr. 12-16 May 10-14 June 7-11 ** Programming with DB Kit (Prerequisite: Programming NeXT Computers and database experience) Redwood City, CA _______________ Feb. 15-16 Mar. 15-16 Apr. 12-13 May 10-11 May 17-18 June 7-8 June 14-15 Chicago, IL ____________ Mar. 1-2 Mar. 29-30 Apr. 26-27 June 21-22 Westport, CT ____________ Feb. 22-23 Mar. 11-12 Apr. 19-20 May 17-18 June 14-15 ** Technical Introduction to Interpersonal Computing Redwood City, CA _______________ Feb. 15 Feb. 22 Mar. 29 Apr. 26 May 17 June 14 June 21 Chicago, IL ____________ Feb. 8 Mar. 15 Apr. 12 May 10 June 7 Westport, CT ____________ Mar. 22 May 3 ** NeXT System Administration (Prerequisite: Technical Introduction to Interpersonal Computing) Redwood City, CA _______________ Feb. 23-26 Mar. 30 - Apr. 2 Apr. 27-30 May 18-21 June 22-25 Chicago, IL ____________ Feb. 9-12 Mar. 16-19 Apr. 13-16 May 11-14 June 8-11 Westport, CT ____________ Mar. 23-26 May 4-7 ** NeXT System Administration for UNIX Experts (Prerequisite: Technical Introduction to Interpersonal Computing) Redwood City, CA ________________ January 20-22 March 3-5 April 21-23 June 28-30 ** NeXT System Administration for Service Technicians (Prerequisite: Technical Introduction to Interpersonal Computing) Redwood City, CA ________________ February 16 June 15 ** NeXT Hardware Service (Prerequisite: NeXT System Administration for Service Technicians, and Technical Introduction to Interpersonal Computing) Redwood City, CA ________________ February 17 June 16 ** Introduction to Interpersonal Computing Redwood City, CA ________________ February 4-5 March 8-9 April 8-9 May 6-7 May 31-June 1 June 17-18 To register or obtain more information, call 1-800-848-NeXT. If you are calling from outside the U.S. or don't have access to a touch-tone phone, call 510-732-5069. All class dates and locations are subject to change. You will be notified of any changes 10 working days prior to the classes for which you are registered. Please confirm your attendance two weeks before class by calling 1-800-848-NeXT. Call 1-800-848-NeXT for additional class dates and locations that may be available and not on this schedule. Course Quick Reference E1038 - Programming NeXT= Computers A four-and-a-half day course enabling programmers to develop software for NeXT computers. Prior C programming experience required. Familiarity with the Objective C language is valuable, as well as knowledge of object-oriented programming, PostScript, and UNIX. For DB Kit, see E1073 Programming with DB Kit. E1072 - 3.0 Entry Point A 1-day transition course for experienced NeXTSTEP programmers who want a quick introduction to the new features in Release 3.0. Requires Programming NeXT Computers 1.x or 2.x. E1073 - Programming with DB Kit A 2-day course covering the NeXT Database Kit object library and Programming tools for writing database access applications for NeXT computers. Programming NeXT Computers and strong understanding of relational database theory expected. 3.0 Entry Point or equivalent recommended. E1053 - Technical Introduction to Interpersonal Computing A one-day introduction to interpersonal computing in a NeXT environment for technical users. This class is a prerequisite for NeXT System Administration for Service Technicians, NeXT System Administration, and NeXT System Administration for UNIX Experts. E1002 - NeXT System Administration A three-and-a-half day course covering the administration of a network of NeXT computers. Requires Technical Introduction to Interpersonal Computing as a prerequisite. Familiarity with UNIX is highly recommended. For information on ISDN, Novell and AppleTalk please refer to the 3.0 NeXT Network and System Administration manual. E1045 - NeXT System Administration for UNIX Experts A two-day course covering the administration of a network of NeXT computers for experienced UNIX system administrators. Requires Technical Introduction to Interpersonal Computing as a prerequisite. E1046 - NeXT Computers in a Mixed UNIX Environment A two-day course that enables experienced UNIX system administrators to incorporate NeXT computers into an existing network of UNIX-based computers. Requires either NeXT System Administration or System Administration for UNIX Experts as a prerequisite. E1051 - NeXT System Administration for Service Technicians A one-day coverage of basic system administration activities for service technicians. Requires Technical Introduction to Interpersonal Computing as a prerequisite. Open only to individuals associated with NeXT Authorized Service Centers. E1003 - NeXT Hardware Service A one-day course covering the skills necessary to troubleshoot and repair NeXT computers and printers. Requires NeXT System Administration for Service Technicians: as a prerequisite. Open only to individuals associated with NeXT Authorized Service Centers. E1000 - Introduction to Interpersonal Computing A two-day introduction to interpersonal computing in a NeXT environment. ____________________________________________________________________ => 30. NeXT Classes in Europe For NeXT users in Europe, here are addresses for NeXT Classes in Europe Austria Hard + Soft Geusaugasse 9 A-1030 Wien Tel: 43 222 716260 Fax: 43 222 716626 Courses in Germany Benelux Objective Partners PO Box 566 1420 Uithoorn Tel: 31 2975 3 16 58 Fax: 31 2975 3 16 68 Courses held in Utrecht Courses in English / Dutch France Improve Sa 4141 Bis Avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy Tel: 33 1 30 70 60 56 Fax: 33 1 30 70 89 36 Courses held in French German (North) d'Art Computer GmbH Virchowstrasse 17-19 2000 Hamburg 50 Tel: 49 40 380 23 0 Fax: 49 40 380 23 290 Courses held in German Germany (Middle) Syscon Industrie Consulting GmbH Redtenbacherstrasse 8 D-6900 Heidelberg Tel: 49 6221 303988 Fax: 49 6221 303855 Courses held in German Italy NeXT Computer Italia Srl Centro Direnzionale Lombardo Via Roma 108/G 20060 Cassina de Pecchi Tel: 39 2 95302510 Fax: 39 2 95302560 Courses in Italian Sweden Initiera System Design Ab Karlsbodavagen 9-11 S 161 02 Bromma Tel: 46 8 6353083 Fax: 46 8 987067 Courses in Swedish Switzerland Workstation AG Rohrstrasse 36-38 8152 Glattbrugg Tel: 41 1 828 95 55 Fax: 41 1 828 95 70 Courses held in German United Kingdom Tower Education Great West Road Brenford Middlesex TW8 9AN Tel: 44 81 758 6607 Fax: 44 81 758 6758 Courses held in English ____________________________________________________________________ => 31. NeXT Section on GEnie (Electronic Bulletin Board System) This is to inform you that The GEnie Information service has a NeXT support center. NeXT Section on GEnie To join: 1 (800) 638-9636 The NeXT section has over 300 files and also includes a bulletin board section. Weekly real-time online conferences. Available through local nodes and also SprintNet and DataPac. ____________________________________________________________________ => 32. Call for User Group Events, Seminars and Shows Are there any local user group or computer events, seminars or shows in which you or your user group is participating that you would like published in the next issue of the Nugget News Digest? Please notify me with the time, date and location. The email address is "Conrad_Geiger@next.com." ____________________________________________________________________ => 33. Virtuoso Tablet Support Virtuoso was released as a NeXTSTEP 2.x app, and we didn't include any 3.0-specific features besides pressure sensitive tablet support in the initial release. After shipping the product, we received feedback about the printing issue, and we have immediately responded by adding 3.0 color support to Virtuoso. We are currently testing this version, and we will notify all registered users when it is ready. With this feature now added, Virtuoso is ideal for NeXTSTEP 2 and 3 users. Other 3.0-specific features will be added soon, but we do not have a definite release date for this version yet. Thanks for the feedback, and if you would like to send additional comments, you can also forward them to me directly: meaghan_hogan@altsys.com 214-680-2060 (fax) 214-680-0537 Meaghan ____________________________________________________________________ => 34. Cube Route, Inc. A note about Cube Route, Inc: New Location, New Products, New Prices! We are now located in sunny Santa Monica, California, but we share the same commitment to quality at low prices as we did in Cambridge, Massachusetts. We feature a wide variety of peripherals for the NeXT, including floppy drives, hard drives, opticals, and the Voila voice-mail interface (coming in late January/early february). We can also special order nearly any type of drive or back-up system. Prices are always dropping, so please call first. For more information, or to order our latest catalog, please call us at 1-800-CUBE-RTE. ____________________________________________________________________ => 35. Change for Access to NeXT t-shirts, pens If you are interested in ordering NeXT items for your user group or for a friend, here is how you can do it. (Note this is a new phone number from which to order.) Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Groups NeXT Pencils $20.30 box of 100 NeXT Cross Pen $21.15 each NeXT Decals $75.00 box of 100 NeXT T-shirt $5.65 each - sizes S, M, L, XL (pre-shrunk) NeXT Turtle Neck $19.20 each - sizes S, M, L, XL NeXT Glass Mug $1.70 each NeXT Leather Folder $54.50 each NeXT Sweatshirt $19.20 each - sizes S, M, L, XL NeXT Tote-bag $ 6.25 each NeXT Mouse pad $ 9.67 each Orders can be taken 24 hours a day for domestic and overseas orders Phone: 800-972-1331, 314-432-1800 Fax: 314-432-1818 Method of payment: Purchase order, check, money order, or credit card ____________________________________________________________________ => 36. Call for Nominations: CD-ROM WORLD DISC PRODUCT OF THE YEAR Contact: Pat Ensor Phone: (713)743-9762 Fax:743-9748; Email: LIB38@JETSON.UH.EDU (Deadline: February 8, 1993) CD-ROM World, published by Meckler Corporation, is naming an optical disc product of the year for the second time. Last year's winner was Ethnic Newswatch. For this year's award, any consumer- oriented optical disc product which was newly released or substantially revised between March 1992 and March 1993 is eligible for consideration. The award will be based on exemplification of the following qualities. - Innovation and unique features, especially those which go beyond print capabilities - Success at satisfying the target audience - Value for cost - Orientation toward consumers - Uniqueness and value of data The award will be presented at Computers in Libraries 1993, which takes place in Washington DC on March 1-3. The award will also be featured prominently in a future issue of CD-ROM World. The deadline for nominations is February 8, 1993. Nomination forms are available from award judge Pat Ensor, author of CD-ROM Research Collections. The other judge will be noted CD-ROM authority Paul Nicholls of the University of Western Ontario. Publishers who wish to nominate a product should send a copy of the product to Pat Ensor as soon as possible, if they will not be displaying the product at ALA Midwinter in Denver. Pat Ensor may be contacted at University of Houston Libraries, Houston, TX 77204-2091; (713)743-9762; Fax:743-9748; LIB38@JETSON.UH.EDU. ____________________________________________________________________ continued in issue 6.9
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: v6.10 - NeXT Nugget News Digest (vol. 6, issue 10, February, 1993) Message-ID: <6864@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 22 Feb 93 22:59:28 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc NeXT Nugget News Digest (vol. 6, issue 10, February, 1993) *** TABLE OF CONTENTS *** NeXT / NeXTSTEP JOB POSITION OPENINGS => 51. Pencom Software Seeks 15 NeXT Engineers (North America) => 52. NeXTSTEP Development Postions in New York, Boston, and Washington, DC => 53. Michigan Consulting Group: NeXTSTEP Programming Experience => 54. ERGO SCIENCE Medical Looking NeXTSTEP Expertise in Boston All previous 47 Nugget News Digest issues from 1992 are archived at the Purdue ftp archive site: sonata.cc.purdue.edu. Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Group Program (over 420 groups worldwide) ____________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________ NeXT / NeXTSTEP JOB POSITION OPENINGS => 51. Pencom Software Seeks 15 NeXT Engineers For more information, contact: Clint Tomlinson Manager, NeXT Recruiting Pencom Software 9050 Capital of Texas Highway North Austin, Texas 78759 Telephone: 512-343-1111 Fax: 512/346-6444 E-Mail: clint@pencom.com Pencom Software Seeks 15 NeXT Engineers Location: North America (Northeast, Midwest, Texas, West, Canada) AUSTIN, TEXAS - February 4, 1993 - Pencom Software's team of NeXT engineers are specifically dedicated to serving both developers and end user organizations equipped with workstations and software from NeXT Computer, Incorporated. Already a NeXT-authorized systems integrator as well as a registered NeXT software developer, Pencom is expanding the service to capitalize on the growth NeXT has recently experienced. Pencom Software is a division of Pencom Systems Incorporated, a New York-based firm providing software engineering and manpower resources to Fortune 500 companies and leading computer firms since 1973. Currently the largest recruiting firm specializing in the UNIX/Open Systems market, Pencom employs over 500 people and maintains a large heterogeneous network of workstations including more than 70 NeXT machines. The following positions are available in the United States and in Canada: TEXAS 1- Senior Database Specialist * 5+ years database design and database applications development experience * 3 years application development experience in a UNIX environment * 2 years DBMS experience using an SQL-based DBMS * 1+ year applications experience in the NeXTSTEP environment * Strong background in proposal generation, system specification, third-party software evaluation, technology transfer, rapid prototyping * Experience with AppKit, DBKit, NeXTSTEP 3.0, OOD, C++, Objective-C * GUI and Porting experience NORTHEAST 3 - Development Technical Leads * Strong NeXTSTEP applications development * Strong UNIX/C, database programming (Sybase, Oracle, Informix) * Objective-C, AppKit, Interface Builder * High level applications design and rapid prototyping * Project/Technical lead experience * Good interpersonal skills (oral and written) * Technical support/OOP, OOD methodology transfer * 6 to 10 years experience 1 - System Administrator * NeXT/Sun/UNIX system administration * Network Management background * Objective-C or C++ * Background in a heterogeneous systems environment a must 1 - Software Engineer * NeXT/UNIX application software development * Strong NeXTSTEP, AppKit, Interface Builder * High level design, rapid prototyping * Ability to work in a dynamic team environment * Strong Objective-C or C++ * 5 to 8 years experience WEST 1 - Senior Database Specialist * 5+ years database design and database applications development (ORACLE preferred) * 3 years UNIX application development * 2 years RDBMS experience using an SQL-based RDBMS * 2+ year NeXTSTEP applications * AppKit, DBKit, NeXTSTEP 3.0, OOD, Objective-C MIDWEST 1 - Senior Systems Engineer * Provide NeXT applications development and support * Project Management/Project Lead experience * Very strong interpersonal skills, technical marketing experience a plus * Technology transfer of OOD, OOP methodologies * NeXTSTEP, Appkit, DBKit, Objective-C or C++ * 6 to 10 years experience 1 - Senior Applications Development Engineer * 5-7 years UNIX/C applications development * Financial applications (Equity Trading Systems in particular) * 1+ years NeXT/NeXTSTEP/AppKit/ DBKit/Objective-C * Sun, SYBASE/C++ a plus 4 - Software Engineers * NeXT/UNIX application software development * Strong NeXTSTEP, AppKit, Interface Builder * High level design, rapid prototyping in NeXT environment * Strong Objective-C or C++ * 2 to 5 years experience CANADA 2 - NeXT Contract Engineers * Strong NeXTSTEP applications development * Strong UNIX, Objective-C, C++ * AppKit, Interface Builder, DBKit required * Strong RDBMS * Transfer of NeXT technology * Software training or teaching experience * 6 to 10 years experience Sorry, these positions require permanent residence and 2+ years industry experience..Thank you for your understanding... More positions available soon!! For more information, contact: Clint Tomlinson Manager, NeXT Recruiting Pencom Software 9050 Capital of Texas Highway North Austin, Texas 78759 Telephone: 512-343-1111 Fax: 512/346-6444 E-Mail: clint@pencom.com ____________________________________________________________________ => 52. NeXTSTEP Development Postions in New York, Boston, and Washington, DC Opportunities to Invent the Future With NorthStar Technologies NorthStar Technologies, Inc. is an entrepreneurial firm specializing in innovative software product development, system integration, and mission-critical, client-server solutions. We intend to triple the size of our firm in 1993 and seek bright, energetic individuals -- interested in a ground floor opportunity -- with experience in NeXTSTEP/UNIX/Objective-C or SUN/UNIX/C++ and/ or relational database management systems (particularly Sybase). Specifically, NorthStar is looking for professionals with the following backgrounds: Junior Software Engineers BSCC or equivalent NeXTSTEP application development Experience in object-oriented design and development Objective-C, C++ Relational databases (preferably Sybase) Senior Software Engineers BSCC, MS preferred Expertise in NeXTSTEP application development Substantial experience in object-oriented design and development Objective-C, C++ Relational databases (preferably Sybase) Client-server development experience Database Specialists BSCC, MS preferred Relational database design and development (preferably Sybase) Thorough knowledge of SQL Database administration experience preferred Applications programming experience with database interface Object-oriented design and development experience Objective C or C++ Sequent administration experience a plus Client-Server Specialists BSCC, MS preferred Substantial experience in client-server computing (both client and server sides) Distributed applications/servers experience UNIX C Objective C or C++ Relational DBMS experience (preferably Sybase) Networking experience (LAN, WAN, TCP/IP, etc.) Database Administrators BSCC or equivalent Thorough knowledge of major RDBMS, Sybase required RDBMS tuning and performance expertise SQL expertise Knowledge of C, Objective C, C++ preferred Sequent database administration experience a plus NeXT System Administrators BSCC or equivalent NeXT system administration expertise System administration in a heterogenous UNIX network environment preferred Communications experience (wide-area networks, modems, Internet, ftp, etc.) NeXT hardware installation experience (installing memory, motherboards, etc.) RDBMS experience (preferably Sybase) C, C++, Objective C experience desired Sequent administration experience a plus Positions are available in New York, Boston, and Washington, DC. If you are interested in joining a dynamic team to create state-of-the-art products, to offer innovative solutions to clients' problems, and to help us define our future, forward or fax your resume with a cover letter to: Morris Gartenberg Manager of Administration NorthStar Technologies, Inc. 15 Maiden Lane, Suite 803 New York, NY 10038 fax: 212-267-4468 email: gartenb@northstar.com ____________________________________________________________________ => 53. Michigan Consulting Group: NeXTSTEP Programming Experience Software Services Corporation (SWS Corp) is looking for students who have programming experience in NeXTSTEP for their growing object orienting consulting group. SWS Corporation is Ann Arbor, Michigan's largest computer consulting firm employing 150 technical professionals specializing in advanced software technologies. Students with professional experience are preferred (graduate level experience is also a plus). SWS is a NeXT Registered Developer. Inquiries and resumes should be directed to: Dave Cortright Manager of Technical Resources Software Services Corpatiobn Tel: 313-971-2300 FAX: 313-677-0230 ____________________________________________________________________ => 54. ERGO SCIENCE Medical Looking NeXTSTEP Expertise in Boston ERGO SCIENCE INCORPORATED is a medical technology company engaged in the discovery and development of novel methods of treating human disease. We will shortly be moving to our new Research and Development Center in Boston, which will house the company's Information Technology Group. ERGO SCIENCE is committed to developing the most advanced information system in the industry and is now looking for a core group of unusually skilled, motivated and creative developers to pioneer this effort. The project is to develop a World-Wide Clinic Information System. The Clinic Information System, using NeXT as the workstation of choice, will link the Research and Development Center with ERGO SCIENCE's remote clinical sites. We expect that our information technology, as well as our medical technology, will set a new standard. This is an extraordinary opportunity to participate in the genesis of an important effort. We are looking for a senior developer who has: - 2+ years NeXTSTEP application development experience - Experience using DB-Kit and/or writing database apps - 2-5 years of working experience in UNIX, C, and C++ - Strong understanding of Object-Oriented Programming - Ability to work under a restricted time line - A need to be challenged and a desire to learn ...The following qualifications would be helpful - Familiarity with the medical industry - Familiarity with accounting and/or medical billing - Familiarity with Informix (SYBASE or ORACLE acceptable) - System analysis skills We are looking for a junior developer who has: - NeXTSTEP application development experience - Experience using DB-Kit and/or writing database apps - Working experience in UNIX, C, and C++ - Understanding of Object-Oriented Programming - Database experience We are looking for a Database Specialist who has: - Strong database analysis skills - Informix On-line experience - 2-5 years designing database structure - 2-5 years experience in UNIX, C, and C++ - Understanding of Object-Oriented Programming ...The following qualifications would be helpful - Familiarity with NeXTSTEP - Familiarity with the medical industry - Familiarity with accounting and/or medical billing We are looking for an analyst who has: - Strong business application analysis skills - Fast prototyping in the NeXT environment - Project/Technical lead experience - Strong communication skills (Oral and Written) - Working knowledge of TCP/IP and communications - 2-5 years designing business applications - 2-5 years experience in UNIX, C, and C++ - Understanding of Object-Oriented Programming ...The following qualifications would be helpful - Familiarity with NeXTSTEP - Familiarity with the medical industry - Familiarity with accounting and/or medical billing Ergo offers competitive salaries, benefits, the opportunity for professional growth, and the chance to make a difference. Please send your resume, project experiences, and salary requirements to: Ergo Science Incorporated Attn: Recruiting 79 Thames Street Newport, RI 02840 Send Email to: recruiting@ccsi.com ___________________________________________________________________ continued in issue 6.11
From: x4y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Steven Kenneth Besler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Librarian / WriteNow problem Date: 22 Feb 1993 15:16:53 -0800 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mbmt5INNc09@keats.rick.cs.ubc.ca> I am unable to properly index a directory of WriteNow 2.0 files with the Digital Librarian in NS 3.0. The WriteNow files are in two-column format (if this matters). It seems to be able to index ASCII and RTF files properly. Is indexing of WriteNow files no longer supported since WriteNow was unbundled? Please respond (email or post) Steven Besler
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,dfw.general From: cbradley@bozell.com (Chris Bradley) Subject: Dallas Area NeXT Group: Meeting 2/25/93 Message-ID: <1993Feb22.163757.8768@bozell.com> Keywords: DaNG nug meeting Sender: news@bozell.com Organization: Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 16:37:57 GMT -= Meeting Announcement =- D a l l a s A r e a N e X T G r o u p THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 25th, 1993 7:00pm to 9:00pm The February meeting of the Dallas Area NeXT Group features an in-depth survey of Wolfram's MATHEMATICA, operating under NeXTSTEP 3.0. Join us as Sherman Reed of the University of Texas at Arlington takes us on a guided tour of MATHEMATICA. In addition, there will be a special presentation on the recent changes at NeXT Computer, Inc, with an opportunity to pose questions for NeXT representatives. Finally, a special Elections meeting will be held immediately after our regular social meeting for the purpose of electing officers for 1993 This will be a fun evening! Don't miss it! Admission is FREE to everyone! If this is your first DaNG meeting, or the first you will have attended in awhile, this meeting will be a great way to (re)acquaint yourself with NeXTSTEP -- the "most respected piece of software on the planet." Dallas Area NeXT Group MEETING LOCATION THE SECOND FLOOR THEATRE Offices of Temerlin McClain 201 East Carpenter Freeway (114) Near 114 and O'Connor Road LAS COLINAS >From Downtown Dallas: Take I-35 west to 183, then to 114 westbound (at Texas Stadium split). Exit O'Connor Rd., continue on westbound feeder road past the Temerlin McClain sign and turn right into the parking garage behind the building and follow map to Temerlin McClain garage. Enter building, and ask the guard where the Second Floor Theatre is. >From North Dallas: Take I-635 (LBJ frwy) west. Exit Valley View Lane (turn left under 635 overpass) and make first left onto O'Connor. Cross Northwest Highway (Spur 348) and continue into Las Colinas. Pass Williams Square (with horse fountain). Make left on Las Colinas Blvd, then first right on Mandalay. Right again on 114 West feeder, past the Temerlin McClain sign and turn right into the parking garage behind the building and follow map to Temerlin McClain garage. Enter building, and ask the guard where the Second Floor Theatre is. >From Fort Worth: Drive to D/FW Airport, North Entrance. Take 114 eastbound to O'Connor exit. Cross O'Connor on eastbound service road and turn left at Wingren Rd., then left again at the 114 westbound service road. Go past the Temerlin McClain sign and turn right into the parking garage behind the building and follow map to Temerlin McClain garage. Enter building, and ask the guard where the Second Floor Theatre is. FOR MORE INFORMATION Chris Bradley cbradley@bozell.com (214) 830-2273 (M-F, 9-5 CDT) -- Chris Bradley | cbradley@bozell.com Techno-Slave, with Many Masters | +1 214 830 2273 vox Bozell, Jacobs, Kenyon & Eckhardt, Inc. | +1 214 830 2687 fax Advertising and Public Relations | "Born ready"
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Metrosoft announces MetroTools 1.4 Message-ID: <654H02x6374U01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 22 Feb 93 23:33:41 GMT References: <6844@rosie.NeXT.COM> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA They have also basically scrapped MetroTracks. Kent -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: netphone for NeXT?? Date: 22 Feb 1993 18:07:47 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mbpsjINNmp8@tamsun.tamu.edu> I just heard that someone got himself 'netphone' for the sparcs. Has anybody ported this to the NeXT or is there anything similar available (PD ofcourse)? Thanks in advance! Please email to andrewd@cs.tamu.edu and post optionally. -- -- Andrew Duchowski | -- -- Texas A&M University | This page intentionally blank -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail) | -- -- andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail) | --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: This is REALLY frustrating!!!! Message-ID: <1993Feb23.013505.3135@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: UNC School of Law, CC for NeXT Computer, Inc. Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 01:35:05 GMT Hey, If you've got a few minutes, hop over in your FileViewer to /NextApps/Mail.app. Do a command-shift-O (open as folder), and take a look at the icons, and to the .nib files in the English.lproj directory. You'll find that all of the encryption stuff is there (the icons, the lock/unlock panels, etc.). It must just be turned off. (3.0 only, I suspect) How frustrating. I have no idea what some of the icons in gallery.tiff are (any thoughts?) C'mon US government. Lighten up on NeXT. Matthew -- matt stecker | This is my NeXT Computer NeXT Campus Consultant, | There are many like it, UNC School of Law | but this one is mine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) Subject: Re: NeXT speaks at BANG (poll results "seemed" impolite) Message-ID: <1993Feb23.023743.28320@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <C2q6Mx.LuH@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 02:37:43 GMT In article <C2q6Mx.LuH@news2.cis.umn.edu> vm@madeline.umhc.umn.edu (Voice 2 Mail) writes: > > As you state below, "Standing there and answering questions honestly..." > You're buying too much of this, Greg. This is the same cat who line-itemed 300 > people in order to save his butt. Read the InfoWorld 'interview' this week. > As you read the last lines (something like, "... wish us luck!") think of those > 300 people who had their butts on the line for corporate. > > The 1-2 mos. of severance time may be considered gracious by some, but our SE > (who started in December) was transplanted here and is now pretty > dis-illusioned. Why shouldn't he be? There's never a substitute of a good and > clear plan. Further, the severance package for those who were cut late last > summer was 4-6 mos. and a few more bennies compared to what these people got. > > Call corporate on the toll line and listen to it ring (4 calls unanswered at 10 > rings yesterday alone). Is this a thriving company? If you get someone inside > corporate, ask if any one there knows the paperwork to process a W-2, cut a > check, or other rudimentary processes. Can anyone else hear the thrashing > sounds? (Imagine the panic inside that you can't hear from standing on the > hardwood floors???) > > I, as a consultant, have personally felt the panic as well. Two gigs cancelled > within a day or two of last tuesday's news. Cancelled, not postponed. Who can > blame them? > > (now start humming America the Beautiful or some other patriotic song...) > > NeXTSTEP is the coolest environment that I've ever worked in bar none. Once we > get past SJ's mis-management and get the company owned/managed by a responsible > group/company it will be a god-send for all of us. Even sj. Cutting hardware > back was something that had to be done, cutting it all together 4-6 months > SHORT of having commerical software on other hardware is gutsy. (this is not a > start-up company) > > I'd like to see him pull it off. We can't help the company anymore (they have > no products that we can buy or help sell), so it's totally up to him. With > this being his chosen path, he better be up-beat and seem openly candid about > the current plan! > > Let's hope developers can make it a bit longer than NeXT's sales force! > > vm > my $0.01 worth (it was too long to be worth $0.02) > > I suppose I deserved a little flame. Upon rereading my post it seemed a little antagonistic. Like who am I to question other peoples' feelings? On the other hand your comments about the layoffs didn't affect my opinion much. I've been layed off twice in Silicon valley. The second time was three months after being hired. The lesson: job seeker beware. There is no loyalty in computer coporate land anymore. If you want security, pick a company that has been stable for a long time. Of cousre IBM screws up that idea. I've gone back to academia for the time being. The pay is low, but they aren't laying off Postdocs. I understand your comments about timing. Steve only said that they simply didn't see any other choice given the collapsing "lead" they have on Pink and Cairo. I know people were bitter and "in shock" at the BANG meeting. I still think they lied when they said they didn't feel any better. There's no way a normal person could have listened to that Q&A session without "feeling better". Perhaps the answer is as you implied: people just don't believe (aren't interested in) Steve's explanations anymore. They don't want to feel better after a talk. They're sick of having a need for the talk in the first place. In ay case, if that vote was realistic and representative, I would say the Next community at large is pretty pissed off and not in a placative mood. Peace :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Colello Carnegie Institution, Department of Plant Biology Stanford University gcolello@biosphere.stanford.edu (NeXT mail OK)
From: cosc176t@menudo.uh.edu (Jason Asbahr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Are we all conned? [I don't think so...] Date: 22 Feb 1993 20:38:20 GMT Organization: /posole/cosc176t/.organization Message-ID: <COSC176T.93Feb22143819@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993Feb16.143216.17163@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> <1lrd67$js2@transfer.stratus.com> <C2KB6G.LwG@utstat.toronto.edu> In-reply-to: philip@utstat.toronto.edu's message of Tue, 16 Feb 1993 22:15:51 GMT Greets, Phil... It will be interesting to see all those happy NS PC users a year from now... Hopefully they won't have to try and configure sound, SCSI, networking, etc...by themselves. You can be sure NeXT is putting plenty of effort into creating "plug and play" configurations, with little or no adjustments necessary on the part of the user. (I know that trying to get things working with MSDOS, Windows, and associated programs is a royal pain, but that is largely due to the OS, not the hardware...) That is quite correct and it is why people won't go along with NeXT in conservative areas. They also won't go along with NeXT in more radical communities given the way NeXT has acted over the past couple of years and especially more recently. It would be interesting to hear what some of the (now ex) campus consultants have to say about the way they are being phased out. The whole situation is sick...far worse than the OD and ND situation as it involves the lives of so many people. Surely financial and government areas are some of the most conservative around. NeXTSTEP is nonetheless successful in both markets. Radical communities are busy writing their own free software. :-) It is unfortunate that NeXT can not capture the home market and the business market at the same time. Many comp.sys.next.* readers are "home" users, individuals with machines. It is a fact of life that companies with orders of 1,000 units have more clout than a few individuals and students. SGI, Sun, HP, IBM, and even Microsoft all try to serve business interests over academic or individual ("home") interests. (Please note that I would love to see $200 "student" versions of NS486. This may happen, with certain packages unbundled from the distribution. To stay alive, though, NeXT must focus its energy on business and government customers.) Consider the amount of hardware effort NeXT recently put into non-prototype, shipping, machines -- ADB keyboards, Sony monitors, and new monitor stands. Now that a certain company still owns a good chunk of NeXT and all of the factory designed to make NeXTSTEP-running machines, it might not be improbable that we will see a NeXTSTEP- running machine from them that incorporates the most recent hardware developments from NeXT... Then companies like HP and Sun would not be competing with their O/S supplier, just other workstation manufacturers (as usual). Regarding ex-CCs: Well, in a recent NeXT message to academic sites, there was some indication that NeXT might continue or re-institute the CC program. Either way, you can be sure we are not going to disappear from the NeXT scene any time soon. :-) On hearing the sudden news awhile back, we were all shocked, some were depressed, some were angry, some were hopeful. I can't speak for all CCs, but I get the strong impression that the majority of us are still huge NeXT(STEP) supporters. The other CCs I have had the pleasure of dealing with are dynamic, knowledgeable, and stubborn. :-) Expect good things to come from them. Till later, -- Jason Asbahr 116 E. Edgebrook #603 asbahr@uh.edu Houston, Texas 77034 next@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTmail) (713) 743-6995 voice asbahr@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTmail) UH NeXT Campus Consultant
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: DSP Message-ID: <1993Feb23.020927.24198@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Keywords: DSP. STEVE Jobs, Mistake Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1993Feb19.145718.593@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <1m6qhfINN96m@fido.asd.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 02:09:27 GMT In article <1m6qhfINN96m@fido.asd.sgi.com> mtj@babar.asd.sgi.com (Michael Jones) writes: ... >We built a fast desktop (Indigo/R3000) with a DSP, and a much faster >ones without a DSP (the Indigo/R4000 and Indigo2). The removal of >the DSP was "liberating" as far as i've been told -- the audio code >is now faster, can be larger, enjoys address-space mapping, and >other system-CPU benefits. It also requires more CPU resources than >the DSP-based approach. > >I'm interested in knowing if there are reasons why a user would >feel that an independent DSP was essential, or important, as >compared to a "that much faster" system CPU and bus. DSPs offer some nice features like modulo and bit-reverse addressing, giving them more power than the raw ALU performance would indicate. DSPs that provide register shadowing for fast interrupt processing can support high bandwidth applications without massive context switching overheads. Having complete control of the resource gives you the ability to develop hard real-time applications. The disadvantage of course is that one application gains exclusive control of the resource. If you want more than one such application in a closed box with no expansion slots, you loose. I guess the real question is how many users demand such specialized support, and why couldnt they get the same functionality in a PC with a DSP expansion card. I would expect the rumored Apple DSP will be for OS embedded tasks only, and if you want to do specialized user applications you call up National Instruments (for example) and get one of their TI320C30 cards. As workstations and PCs blend more PCs will be defined as workstations with expansion slots :-> I will say the sound input and output capabilities of the NeXT certainly were not a mistake, and by at least trying to make it better by putting in a general purpose sound (signal) processor was the right thing to do. Its certainly a cleaner solution than 10,000 sound cards, all of which are subtly incompatable with each other, and given the number of parts on those cards for various kinds of synthesis Id say the DSP was a better, more versatile solution.. >-- > >Be seeing you, mtj@sgi.com 415.390.1455 M/S 7L-590 >Michael Jones Silicon Graphics, Advanced Graphics Division > 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd., Mtn. View, CA 94039-7311 -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: ems@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Ted Shelton) Subject: DOWNTOWN CHICAGO LOOPGROUP FEBRUARY MEETING Message-ID: <1993Feb23.004845.11268@midway.uchicago.edu> Summary: Feb 23, Tue., Chicago Mercantile Exchange @ 6:30 PM Keywords: 3D Frontface nPOINT LoopGroup Chicago NeXT RenderMan Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 00:48:45 GMT Announcing the February Meeting of The LoopGroup: Downtown Chicago users of NeXTSTEP WHEN: February 23 (Tuesday), 1993 6:30 pm WHERE: Chicago Mercantile Exchange (30 South Wacker) Assembly Hall on Mezzanine level of South Tower WHAT: Representatives from nPOINT, Ltd will be on hand showing Frontface, a full-featured 3-D modeler for NeXTSTEP as well as providing a short introduction and background to Pixar's PhotoRealistic RenderMan. Refreshments will be provided. WHO TO CONTACT: Ted Shelton (ems@its.com) for more information. +1.312.587.2000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NeXT and natural selection Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <C2su7K.Ht3@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Apparently-To: mail2news@dis.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 00:42:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Feb23.004212.6512@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <C2su7K.Ht3@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> klein@math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (John R. Klein) writes: >A quote from a friend of mine who has managed to maintain >his sense of humor: > >"In the long run we are all dinosaurs, and technical support for mankind >will eventually be discontinued anyway." > What planet is he from?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Upgrading to Diagram! 2 Message-ID: <1993Feb22.215448.1040@lighthouse.com> From: ** Sender Unknown ** Date: 22 Feb 93 21:54:48 GMT Sender: wiley@lighthouse.com Followup-To: wiley@lighthouse.com Organization: Lighthouse Design, Ltd. Keywords: Diagram, Lighthouse, NeXTSTEP, Wacky Fun We've been getting a tremendous number of questions about upgrading to Diagram! 2, so I thought I'd give the information here. No matter who you are: foreign or domestic, student, faculty, or commercial purchaser, upgrades are available through NeXTConnection. They can be reached at 1-800-800-6398, or 1-603-446-3383. A duplicate of the original Diagram! 2 post follows: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For more information, contact Wiley Hodges or Jonathan Schwartz Lighthouse Design, Ltd. 2929 Campus Dr. Suite 250 San Mateo, CA 94403 415/570-7736 415/570-7787 (fax) Lighthouse Design Ships Diagram! 2 Information Graphics for NeXTSTEP 26 January, 1993 San Mateo, CA-- Lighthouse Design, Ltd. announced today the shipment of Diagram! version 2.0, the much-acclaimed update to NeXTSTEP's best-selling graphics tool. The new release includes dozens of completely new features, as well as many incremental enhancements to existing features. With Diagram!'s second release, Lighthouse Design brings the same level of innovation and creativity to business graphics as it brought to presentations with its Concurrence product, said Steven P. Jobs, chairman and CEO of NeXT. Together, Diagram! and Concurrence make a powerful pair, and provide a great example of what is possible in the NeXTSTEP environment. Lighthouse does it again!" Diagram! 2 is a smart, general-purpose drawing tool, designed for business professionals, engineers and students alike. By understanding the structure behind business and technical graphics, Diagram! 2 frees users to concentrate on the ideas they're trying to express rather than the mechanics of drawing and revision. Based on a revolutionary and much-imitated "drag and drop" drawing metaphor, Diagram! 2 provides users with the tools to create and revise graphics far faster than conventional illustration tools. Diagram! drawing objects are placed in documents by dragging and dropping from user-customizable drawing palettes. Diagram! 2 ships with a variety of standard palettes, which may be used on their own, or modified and extended by users. Intelligent features include: - Rubberbanding Connecting Lines automatically redraw when the objects they connect are moved - Repositionable Smart Line Labels (NEW!) move with and follow lines automatically, maintaining position and offset - Custom Palette Menu (NEW!) displays user-created drawing palettes as a part of Diagram! 2's menu - Documented Text File Format (NEW!) allows technical users to access drawing data through custom applications, scripts, etc. - Smart Rotation (NEW!) provides for rotation of symbols, line labels, text, groups and images - Image Cropping (NEW!) allows users to display graphic images within a Diagram! 2 drawing object (circle, square, diamond, etc.) - Infinite Undo and Redo (NEW!) allows users to retrace their steps and correct mistakes at any time during their drawing session - Button Ribbon (NEW!) provides convenient access to Diagram! 2's tools and panels - Text and Graphic Rulers (NEW!) provide formatting and placement guides for precision drawing And, of course, images generated in Diagram! 2 can be easily copied and pasted to other applications, such as Concurrence presentations or WordPerfect documents. Diagram! 2's innovative file linking facility allows users to link drawing objects to files created in other applications, such as reports, spreadsheets or custom applications. By dragging and dropping files or applications into their Diagram! 2 documents, users can establish powerful file links. Users can then employ, for example, tiles in an organization chart to reference financial statements, or a presentation on the company's background, or execute shell scripts from within a technical drawing. With just a mouse-click, Diagram! 2 documents become the perfect backbone to multi-media drawings. Registered Diagram! version 1.1 owners will be contacted by mail with specific information concerning the price and availability of upgrades to Diagram! 2. As with other Lighthouse Design, Ltd. products, Diagram! 2.0 is available to students, faculty, and staff in higher education at a substantial discount. For further information on price and availability of academic versions of Diagram! 2.0, please contact NeXT Connection at 1-800-800-6398 or +1-603-446-3383. Diagram! is currently used by over 5000 NeXTSTEP users worldwide. Lighthouse Design is a privately-held software firm based in San Mateo, California, dedicated since 1989 to providing innovative and useful productivity applications for the NeXTSTEP operating environment. Other products from Lighthouse Design include Concurrence, the premiere outlining and presentation product for NeXTSTEP. Lighthouse Design, Ltd., Diagram!, and Concurrence are trademarks of Lighthouse Design, Ltd. NeXTSTEP is a trademark of NeXT Computer, Inc. WordPerfect is a registered trademark of WordPerfect Corporation. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. ============ I want to apologize for posting to these groups instead of c.s.n.announce, but I sent a post there a couple of weeks ago and it *still* hasn't gotten through... -- Wiley Hodges wiley@lighthouse.com Lighthouse Design, Ltd. NeXTMail OK
Organization: Applications Software, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <gfWGHjq00VQs0I3FoJ@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 14:09:35 -0500 From: Richard Dale Romero <rickr+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: McClelland and Rumelhart Software compiled for NeXT? In-Reply-To: <C2rAwJ.C4q@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> References: <C2rAwJ.C4q@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.ai.neural-nets: 20-Feb-93 McClelland and Rumelhart So.. Chris Swoyer@uokmax.ecn. (442) > Has anyone had any luck compiling this software to run on a NeXT? If > so, any information about it much appreciated. I tried it, but the Mach OS was lacking some curses type header files, and the compiler was barfing on a lot of things. Basically, I didn't really need to have it on a NeXT, so I didn't bother fixing the sources. Possible, probably, worthwhile, not unless you have to. -rick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Ian_Upright@mindlink.bc.ca (Ian Upright) Subject: Re: NeXT's future... Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 05:13:04 GMT Message-ID: <21316@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: news@deep.rsoft.bc.ca (Usenet) > Ho Ling Cherd writes: > > Msg-ID: <1993Feb19.082522.24349@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> > Posted: Fri, 19 Feb 93 08:25:22 Org. : University of Rochester (Rochester, > NY) > > With the existance of the NeXTCube, NeXTDemiension etc etc before, > many people has chosen expensive Mac and PC running windows despite > their poorer performance over NeXT with NeXTStep. > Now, without the cool hardwares, how many people (people not > used to unix, programming kind of stuff) would likely choose > NeXTStep over Windows if they are getting 486's? Even the > Big Blue's OS/2 has trouble compete with Windows, how long can > the NeXTStep stay? Maybe all the Windows users don't want to switch to OS/2, becuase there isn't any apps, and hardware support is minimal. Maybe IBM is having trouble because everybody is waiting for something better, and they all have seen visionary operating systems like NeXTstep, and maybe they don't see OS/2 as part of that vision. Maybe it's annoying to everyone that yes, even OS/2, and even Windows NT, still has a CONFIG.SYS and an AUTOEXEC.BAT..! Now thats what I call advancement! Windows NT is a complete disgrace to society itself,.. Windows NT compiles most Win 3.1 source code. Strangely enough, the 16-bit app under the dos runs faster than the 32-bit app under windows NT. That's beyond pathetic. (not to mention thats with an added 16 or so megs of ram!) Myself, a Windows 3.1 user, sees OS/2 as a interm solution, but see NeXTstep, Taligent or maybe even Solaris, as the future. Maybe thats why many developers aren't so crazy about OS/2. OS/2, unlike windows 3.1, works. But that might not be enough to spend copious hours rewriting your app when other great OS'es are on the horizon. Thats probably the reason why OS/2 hasn't taken off like it could have. If Taligent sits on top of OS/2, and still has a CONFIG.SYS and other pathetic enviroment traits, I'm outta there like a bat out of hell. I don't care if I have to pay a grand for a useable computer. I just want an OS thats intelligent, and most of all, something that actually works. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Origin: Astaria Digital Enterprises Ian_Upright@mindlink.bc.ca BBS: (604) 852-1866, or FidoNet :-) 1:153/513 CANADA eh? -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Concurrence v1.1 Message-ID: <1993Feb23.052855.6626@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 05:28:55 GMT Hi, Has anyone seen Concurrence v1.1 yet? What's new and fixed with it? Free upgrade for v1.0 owner? Gary -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) Subject: Reading CD on Sun Message-ID: <C2vFrq.D21@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 22:28:38 GMT Does anyone know how to read a CD, such as "The Big Green CD" on a SUN under Solaris 2.1? I have seen this question asked before but have never seen a response. Thanks in advance, --Tim -- Tim Pugh |MicroCALL Services tim@aplcen.apl.JHU.EDU |8713 Briarcroft Lane |Laurel, MD 20708-1355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE (Christian Andretzky) Subject: Re: Help Compiling Perl Message-ID: <1993Feb23.052530.25822@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de> Sender: inews@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de (Internet news) Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG References: <1m625h$5ad@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 05:25:30 GMT In article <1m625h$5ad@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) writes: > Jon Vestal (jonv@ptnext.claremont.edu) wrote: > : Hi, > > : Can someone help me compile perl on a NeXT running NS 3.0. Everything > : seems to work except for the getgrgid. I've tryed compiling several ways > : using the builtin perl setgid and the C setgid. I thinks it is probably a > : problem with the type of int returned by getuid and getgid. Any help > : would be appreciated. > > : Jon Vestal > : Systems Technician > : Pitzer College > : jonv@ptnext.claremont.edu > > Everybody, this is the 3rd time I have had to answer this question in as many > weeks. Nathan, how about an FAQ on this. > > To compile perl patchlevel 35 under NS3.0 some modifications to the Configure > script are necessary. > > This is because Configure checks for the existance of certain include files and these determine which perl routines will actually be compiled into the binary via #ifdefs. > > Note: "make test" only detects that the getuid routines are there while infact the passwd routines are also not compiled. > > To successfully compile perl properly apply these changes to the Configure script. > > Look for the line > > if $test -r $usrinclude/pwd.h ; then > > change it to > > if $test -r $usrinclude/bsd/pwd.h ; then > > AND > > if $test -r $usrinclude/grp.h ; then > > change it to > > if $test -r $usrinclude/bsd/grp.h ; then > > Good luck. O.K. this works for me but I can see at least 3 other problems compiling perl 4.35 or 4.36 with NS 3.0: - the O_* (O_RDONLY ...) constants could not be found. I got the following message from Configure. | ... |ndbm.h found. | |dbm.h found. | |Looks like you have Berkeley networking support. | |I can't find the O_* constant definitions! You got problems. | |pwd.h found. | ... - if I run make I get the following errors/warnings: ... tdoio.c: In function `do_open': tdoio.c:294: warning: incompatible pointer type for argument 2 of `getsockname' tdoio.c: In function `do_bind': tdoio.c:1451: warning: incompatible pointer type for argument 2 of `bind' tdoio.c: In function `do_connect': tdoio.c:1482: warning: incompatible pointer type for argument 2 of `connect' tdoio.c: In function `do_getsockname': tdoio.c:1673: warning: incompatible pointer type for argument 2 of `getsockname' tdoio.c:1677: warning: incompatible pointer type for argument 2 of `getpeername' ... - if I try to 'make test' all seems to b OK except one warning/error: ... comp/cmdopt....ok comp/cpp.......:10: unterminated string or character constant ok comp/decl......ok ... Can I ignore this messages or are there some things to do. Thanx in advance for any help/suggestions Cheers, Christian -- Name: Christian Andretzky | Address: Technische Universitaet Chemnitz | Phone: +49 371 561 2130 | Fachbereich Maschinenbau III | FAX: +49 371 561 2413 | Reichenhainer Str. 70 | mail: Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE D-O-9022 Chemnitz |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: claire@cubx.com (Claire Normand) Subject: Cub'x Systemes announces its support for new NeXT strategic orientation Message-ID: <1993Feb22.133646.1236@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 13:36:46 GMT For more information, please contact : Cub'x Systemes Tel : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 40 Fax : (+33) (1) 47 08 74 41 e-mail : info@cubx.com (NeXT mail) Cub'x Systemes announces its support for the new NeXT strategic orientation. Paris, France, Feb 22nd, 1993. Cub'x Systemes announces it totally supports NeXT's recent decision to stop manufacturing hardware, and dedicate its activities to promoting the NeXTSTEP operating system on multiple hardware platforms. "We are extremely pleased to see NeXT cementing a strategy long awaited in the computer market. It will permit NeXTSTEP to reach the prominent position that it rightfully deserves as the leading object oriented operating system", says Gerard Laurent, Cub'x Systemes General Manager. "We find our efforts for the promotion of NeXTSTEP now rewarded by the dramatic expansion of the number of potential users, and this will open new exciting opportunities for software development." Cub'x Systemes is presently porting its software products - Cub'X-Window and intuitiv'3d - onto NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors. Cub'x Systemes has developed the following software packages : - Cub'X-Window, X-Window client/server architecture for the NeXT. Its new version 4.0 will be available on NeXTSTEP for NeXT hardware in March 1993 and on NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors in May 1993. This new version provides a X11R5 solution, numerous new features, and still increased speed performance. - intuitiv'3d, a complete 3d creation environment. It will be released on NeXTSTEP for NeXT hardware and NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors during NeXTWorld Expo, on May 25th. Cub'x Systemes will continue to support and upgrade Cub'X-Window and intuitiv'3d on NeXT computers and will continue to port its NeXTSTEP software products onto each new NeXTSTEP capable hardware platform. Cub'x Systemes, located in Paris, France, is the center of expertise for NeXTSTEP in France, through its NeXTSTEP training center, NeXTSTEP software development and NeXT distribution center.
From: meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu (Steve Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Mail question Message-ID: <C2pEnt.CLu@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 16:19:05 GMT Sender: usenet@mailer.cc.fsu.edu Organization: Florida State University ACNS Does the NeXT Mail have a "vacation" feature? That is, can it be set up to automatically acknowledge a received (but not read) message? I'm going out of town for awhile and don't want anyone to be insulted that I'm not responding to their messages. Thanks in advance. __________________________________________________________________ Steven Meyers MASIG B-174 | meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu Florida State University | Tele: 904-644-1168 Tallahassee, FL 32306-3041 | FAX: 904-644-9642 __________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Message to R. LaBelle Message-ID: <C2wCv2.A26@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Distribution: na Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 10:23:25 GMT Sorry to be doing this, but I've exhausted all other means. Could you e-mail me from a computer other than faraday...Mail keeps bouncing. Philip philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: btf64@cas.org () Subject: Running a remote SQL*Forms App from NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Feb23.125416.5340@cas.org> Sender: usenet@cas.org Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio Distribution: na Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 12:54:16 GMT Hi, I have the need to run an Oracle SQL*Forms application from home on a NeXT. I will rlogin to a Sun Workstation and I need to be able to map the NeXT keyboard to SQL*Forms functions such as [Delte Record] etc. I would appreciate any information on how to go about extending my workday from home. :-^) Thanks! -- Bernie (btf64@cas.org)
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted Subject: ZyXEL modem info wanted Keywords: Zyxel, modem Message-ID: <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> Date: 22 Feb 93 17:55:37 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Distribution: usa Organization: Pencom Software People: I'm trying to purchase a ZyXEL 1496E modem and I've seen several posts for places where I can purchase the product from. However, I've had various difficulties with each of these places and would like to know if anybody out there can recommend another place (prices would be great too!). * MicroNet -- no contact information * GES Computers, Inc. 1088 Irvine Blvd. Tustin, CA 92680 (714)544-2968 fax (714)544-4685 I've had a difficult time getting a hold of their sales rep and the price keeps changing so.... Kandy Shack -- recommended by a friend but he can't find his receipt, so I have no way of contacting them! Software Plus -- their address is a PO box, which implies a one-person operation. Now, if you've had positive experiences with any of these vendors or another one or you have a used 1496E modem that you're trying to unload, please e-mail me. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 795-2000 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * ****************************
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: e-mail account: who's the best provider? Keywords: Genie, Compuserve, PSI, e-mail account Message-ID: <1993Feb22.204247.28469@pencom.com> Date: 22 Feb 93 20:42:47 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Distribution: usa Organization: Pencom Software Hello there: I'm considering getting an e-mail account for basic e-mail services (I dont' need NeXTMail and most of the messages should be fairly short) and would like to know if anyone can make recommendations on the following providers (+ is for pros and - is for cons): 1. Compuserve + $7.95 a month - $12.00 an hour - number for account name (such as 75225.411@compuserve.com) rather than a name (such as alex@pencom.com) 2. PSI + get your own domain - expensive: $75 hook-up and $25/month; after 3/31/1991, this will be $150 for hookup and $50/month 3. Genie -- I don't know anything about this one. 4. World + $5.00/month - $2.00 login charge - long distance call Please e-mail me with your recommendations. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 795-2000 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * ****************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jesper@harry.xanthus.se (Jesper Lundh) Subject: Beta of Questor Spreadsheet Now on Archive Message-ID: <1993Feb23.123805.19034@sics.se> Sender: news@sics.se Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 12:38:05 GMT ------ Beta Version of Questor Spreadsheet Application ------ Now Available on Archive Stockholm, February 22, 1992 - Xanthus International AB today announced that the latest beta version of its spreadsheet application Questor is available on a public archive. The Questor beta can be found on the following archive: sics.se:/pub/next/beta_m68 Questor_0.88.compressed - The Questor beta application. Questor_API.compressed - A number of demos of the Questor API with source code. Questor_Documentation.compressed - A Questor brochure and a beta draft of the Questor Users Guide. The beta version is protected. It can be run in 'demo mode' for 15 minutes with full functionality. If you want to participate in the beta programme, please send a mail to Xanthus at: questor@xanthus.se to get a valid registration number. A beta for NeXSTEP for Intel will be available soon on the same archive. ----------------------------------- Questor from Xanthus is a brand new spreadsheet application for the NeXTSTEP environment that combines the intuitive metaphor of "matrix-based" spreadsheet program with a number of very powerful features and a true NeXTSTEP user interface. The backbone of Questor is a conventional matrix-based spreadsheet that can easily be used by anybody that have once used spreadsheet programs like Microsoft Excel, Lotus 1-2-3 or Wingz. To this backbone is added a number of powerful features: - A structured scripting language - QScript with an "intelligent" editor including automatic pretty-printing and programming support. QScript allows you to customize your spreadsheet to perform very specific tasks. - Input controllers like buttons, text-fields and sliders can be drag-and-dropped anywhere on the spreadsheet and connected to QScript code or directly to cells by control-dragging. - "Output objects" like charts and gauges can be drag-and-dropped anywhere on the spreadsheet and be connected to cell areas by control-dragging for continuous updating. - "Hot-links" to the chart application Graphity (like Lotus Improv and Presentation Builder). Graphity is a chart application that supports 3D business graphics based on Renderman. - Seamless connections to relational databases like Oracle and Sybase using the Database Kit in NeXTSTEP. - Timers that can trigger complex calculations, database queries or any other event at regular intervals. - A powerful double-directed API that allows Questor to easily control and send data to other applications. The API also makes it easy for other applications to control Questor and to feed data into spreadsheets. - External functions can be written in C or in QScript and be loaded into Questor for easy extensibility. - A ToolBox that includes object palettes and a number of other tools that removes the need of modal panels for filling, searching and sorting data. The ToolBox also includes complete scripting support. - Full support for user palettes. Users can easily create new palettes with customized charts, graphics and control objects. - Drawing tools that allows you to draw directly on the spreadsheet. - Images and sound can be drag-and-dropped anywhere on the spreadsheet to create stunning documents including graphics and sound effects. - Reads the WKS, WK1 and SYLK file-formats, which enables you to import data from Lotus 1-2-3, Lotus Improv, Microsoft Excel and Wingz. - Full support for Lotus 1-2-3 bracket-macros. - Multi-level undo. All commands can be undone and the number of undos are user defined. - Powerful Report Layout functions that allows total control over the layout of your spreadsheets, including direct manipulation and drawing tools. - Timers that can be used to invoke macros and QScript functions at periodic intervals. - Full support for object linking. Charts, cell areas and graphics can be copied and linked into other documents for continuous updating. - The Questor QScript Debugger which allows functions to be debugged in a seamless manner. - The Questor Macro Stepper which allows macros to be debugged on different levels of granularity. - Inline-editing of cells. Double-click a cell and you can edit its value "inline". - The Questor Console. The Console makes it easy to experiment with QScript and macros. - Basic support for multi-user access. Several users can look at the same document, but only one can open it in read/write mode. Users with a document opened in read-only mode are notified as soon as the disk version of the document changes. Questor is not a port from another computing environment and has a true, well designed NeXTSTEP user interface including: - Smooth scrolling of documents. - Direct manipulation of all objects on a spreadsheet. - Use of the Color Panel and Font Panel for editing objects and cells. - Inspectors for all objects including cells and the spreadsheet itself. - Drag-and-drop from the Workspace or from the ToolBox in Questor. - Object linking fully supported. Questor will be available Q1 1993 through selected resellers worldwide. For more information please contact questor@xanthus.se Xanthus International, headquartered in Stockholm, Sweden, is a privately owned software development company that specializes in the NeXTSTEP platform. Questor is the fourth in a series of general-purpose productivity tools for NeXTSTEP. In May 1992, Xanthus started to ship its first product CraftMan, the multimedia programming tool for the NeXT computer. The second product was LaserMan, a tool for controlling Laser Disc Players and other devices from a NeXT computer. The third product was SplitBuilder/Receiver, a tool for sending large files via NeXTmail. LaserMan and SplitBuilder/Receiver started to ship in September 1992. Xanthus International was founded in 1990.
From: heading@signal.dra.hmg.gb (Anthony J.R. Heading) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can one concatenate ps files? Message-ID: <1md7kgINNm9d@signal.dra.hmg.gb> Date: 23 Feb 93 13:08:32 GMT References: <1993Feb18.174745.999@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Organization: Defence Research Agency slugg jello writes > Anybody know if there's a way to concatenate .ps (postscript) files? cat a.ps b.ps > totally-easy-on-a-stick.ps :-) A
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jesper@harry.xanthus.se (Jesper Lundh) Subject: Graphity Business Graphics Application - Beta Now on Archive Message-ID: <1993Feb23.125837.19645@sics.se> Sender: news@sics.se Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 12:58:37 GMT ------ Beta Version of Graphity Business Graphics Application ------ Now Available on Archive Stockholm, February 22, 1992 - Xanthus International AB today announced that the latest beta version of its business graphics application Graphity is available on a public archive. The Graphity beta can be found on the following archive: sics.se:/pub/next/beta_m68 Graphity_0.73.compressed - The Graphity beta application. Graphity_API.compressed - A number of demos of the Graphity API with source code. Graphity_Brochure.compressed - A Graphity brochure. The beta version is protected. It can be run in 'demo mode' for 15 minutes with full functionality. If you want to participate in the beta programme, please send a mail to Xanthus at: graphity@xanthus.se to get a valid registration number. A beta for NeXSTEP for Intel will be available soon on the same archive. ----------------------------------- Graphity from Xanthus is a brand new business graphics application for the NeXTSTEP environment that can be used as a stand-alone application or together with the Questor spreadsheet application from Xanthus. Graphity includes a number of powerful features: - 3D charts based on Renderman. - A powerful API that allows other apps to easily control and send data to Graphity. - "Hot-links" to the spreadsheet application Questor (like Presentation Builder and Lotus Improv). - Full support for user palettes. Users can easily create new palettes with customized charts and graphics. - Drawing tools that allows you to draw directly on a graph sheet. - Images and sound can be drag-and-dropped anywhere on a graph sheet to create stunning documents including external graphics and sound effects. - Unlimited undo. All commands can be undone and the number of undos are user defined. - The following 2D chart types are supported: bar, stacked bar, line, combination, stock, area, stacked area, scatter (xy-plot) and pie. - The following 3D chart types are supported: bar, area, scatter (xyz-plot) and pie. - Multiple light-sources for 3D charts that can be positioned individually. - User defined shaders and textures for 3D charts. Graphity is not a port from another computing environment and has a true, well designed NeXTSTEP user interface including: - Smooth scrolling of documents. - Direct manipulation of all objects on a graph sheet. - Use of the Color Panel and Font Panel for editing charts. You can set the color of any component of a chart by color dropping. - Inspectors for all chart types. - Drag-and-drop from the Workspace or from the ToolBox in Graphity. - Object linking fully supported. Graphity will be available Q2 1993 through selected resellers worldwide. For more information please contact graphity@xanthus.se Xanthus International, headquartered in Stockholm, Sweden, is a privately owned software development company that specializes in the NeXTSTEP platform. Questor is the fourth in a series of general-purpose productivity tools for NeXTSTEP. In May 1992, Xanthus started to ship its first product CraftMan, the multimedia programming tool for the NeXT computer. The second product was LaserMan, a tool for controlling Laser Disc Players and other devices from a NeXT computer. The third product was SplitBuilder/Receiver, a tool for sending large files via NeXTmail. LaserMan and SplitBuilder/Receiver started to ship in September 1992. Xanthus International was founded in 1990.
From: petry@netwolf.umd.edu (Michael Petry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TransSys News Release Date: 23 Feb 1993 13:31:58 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Computer Science Center Message-ID: <1md90eINN898@ni.umd.edu> References: <18621@umd5.umd.edu> <1993Feb22.153030.23402@macc.wisc.edu> In article <1993Feb22.153030.23402@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >>If there are >>specific features that customers would like to see in a SLIP/PPP-type >>product, CEO Mamakos expressed: "We're all ears." > >This must look *extremely* odd. I've heard of talking from >other apertures (lots of CEOs do that), but this talking out >the ear is a first. You should watch him type. It's rather amusing. Seriously; How about a check that makes sure data is flowing (output queue not moving). I have a problem where the link I use wedges from time to time and it would be nice to be able to notice it, drop the line, and redial. (I wish I could just fix the link, but that's not that easy)
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Are we all conned? Message-ID: <72mA02CF37nw01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 23 Feb 93 16:26:33 GMT References: <1993Feb16.092028.12127@coe.montana.edu> <1lqivo$2ok@agate.berkeley.edu> <Feb21.170111.95876@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA In article <Feb21.170111.95876@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, ckminer@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Chris Miner) writes: > > > > >Folks, > > > Nobody conned anybody. Next really wasn't ever a hardware >company. People buy NeXT machines for the interface. That >is software. I gotta say though, that I'll have a hard >time ever buying anything I can easily identify as a PC. > > There is just something about the Look and feel of a NeXT >that just draws me to it. The floppy drive on the side, >clean look, the monitor stand (an out of the way space for >the keyboard when I need more deskspace), the large monitor, >the old style keyboard. I also like the way the printer >looks, and how it says 'your printer is waiting for paper' >on manual feed jobs. Once again this is look and feel. >And I love the way it looks and feels! Wrong. I and quite a few other people bought the NeXT for hardware. When I bought my machine it was when NeXT was the only '040 box. It was also the only box on the market that had a DSP and a full set of development tools. If you wanted to develop 56K code and have cheap (read included with machine) tools you buy a NeXT. Do the software, test it, then design your hardware. > > When I bought my slab two years ago I thought I would be >using a different computer today. I am not, and if NeXT >does do 4.0 for their native hardware, then I'll have to >upgrade to 3.0 real soon now. I have gotten plenty of use >from my box, and expect to continue to do so. I am not >selling it, and when I replace it a few years from now, it >will be because an 040 seems slow. I agree. > > I just hope NeXT Step and NeXT OS won't lose much in the >translation to other platforms. Sooo, would all the people >who know they are inclined to panic at moments like this, >please do something, anything, to relax. If you don't know >if you fall into this category, ask a friend, they will >know. If you don't have friends, then assume you do fall >into the category of people who need to relax a little. > > >Hasta, > Chris Kent -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing */ /* on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't */ /* make you a diner. Being here in America doesn't make you an */ /* American." */ /* --Malcolm X */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
From: disc@vector.intercon.com (David Casti) Newsgroups: alt.wais,comp.infosystems.wais,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: wais Date: 23 Feb 1993 17:08:09 GMT Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mdllpINNqvb@intercon.intercon.com> Hi, I can't seem to get wais compiled on my NeXT... I've set the compiler options to -O -ansi since the README file says the wais code is in ansi C. I found the cool NeXTy window interface already compiled, but I want to run swais, waissearch, and the wais server. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Are we all conned? Message-ID: <93Feb23.172803.41859@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 17:28:03 GMT Distribution: na References: <1993Feb16.092028.12127@coe.montana.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta My news feed seems to come down a long pipe, so forgive me for replying to an article many of you are already probably sick of... > It is remarkable that I see no discussion or no criticism > regarding NeXT's move to stop producing hardware. Ummm... there's certainly been a fair bit of both. Maybe not enough to suit your taste, but more than enough for mine. > I have invested more than $12,000 dollar for the Next computer > hardware You aren't the only one. The key word is "invested". What did you think you were investing in? An item that would increase in value over time? Computer hardware depreciates, is discontinued, becomes obsolete etc... every time. The only reason to purchase it is for the use you get out of it. How does NeXT's decision to stop making hardware affect the use you get from the hardware you already own? Hardware support will be available for at least 5 years, and NeXTSTEP 3.1 is coming. I will be genuinly disappointed if NeXTSTEP 4.0 doesn't ship for the '040 products, but that's at least a year away, probably more! As a developer, I can continue to use the system to hone skills, develop software and with the advent of 3.1's cross-compilers, even produce code to run on the '486 product. (Oh sorry, NeXTSTEP for Intel Computers, not NeXTSTEP '486 anymore). I've got much much more than my money's worth out of my machine. It's not NeXTs fault if you haven't. > ... and now they are going to sell the company and terminate > people's jobs and become a software company? I suppose they > have the right to do that Damn straight. Not only a right, but from my point of view, an obligation. It really is the best way to propogate NeXTSTEP as an industry accepted platform. > ... but then I ask where the hell is the business ethics? If the phrase isn't an oxymoron anyway... the business ethics involve making sure customers understand the move (read "NeXT in Transition"), meet the majority of their customer's needs (who do you think asked them to do this?) and don't leave people high and dry (hardware support, new versions of the operating system, cross compilers). > How are we going to trust whatever S.Jobs is going to do from > now on? I still love my NeXT but everybody I know, who > planning to buy a NeXT computer, are now planning to buy a 486 > PC with all the bells and whistles? I still trust Steve to do the best thing he knows how for the survival and propogation of NeXTSTEP. I can't force anybody else to share my view. Hardware purchase wise, most people were planning on buying a '486 with all the bells and whistles when NeXTSTEP for Intel came out REGARDLESS of whether or not NeXT made hardware. > Did I make a mistake not doing that? You still can't run NeXTSTEP for Intel. It doesn't exist. Have you gotten any value out of using your NeXT? Don't buy something unless you plan to use it! > What does it mean announcing proudly that the company was doing > so well with 36% increase in its sales volume last year? Was it > a gimmick? Err... do you mean, "was it a lie?". No. Just because sales increased last year doesn't mean they'll do the same this year. The availability of the Intel product changes things drastically. NeXT recognized that and did something about it. > I suppose you, the NeXT users out there, keeping so silent > because you are,like me, are in a state of shock in disbelief! > Somebody please write something, what the hell is going on, and > what the hell is going to happen to NeXT computers. I hope I satisfied the need. > People do not terminate peoples jobs if they intended to > produce the next generations NeXTs? NeXT doesn't intend to produce the next generation of NeXTs. Just the next generation of NeXTstep. > Are we all doomed and conned? Is Steve Job a con-artist? How > can anybody trust anything he does anymore? We're all doomed. It's a fact of life. Steve jobs is doing what he believes in the best he knows how... I trust him to continue. > Recep Avci Blake Stone Chief Technical Officer DKW Systems Corporation bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca
From: stevem@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Steve McGowan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,uk.jobs,scot.general,dept.general Subject: HyperMedia NeXT Programmer wanted Message-ID: <C2wvJr.IMI@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> Date: 23 Feb 93 17:07:02 GMT Organization: Computing Sci, Glasgow Univ, Scotland Posting for a friend - only email me if REALLY necessary, but I can't provide any more information than that which follows!!!!!!! PROGRAMMER WANTED ----------------- For a position on an exciting hypermedia development system (NeXsys) based on the NeXT machine. The post will probably start sometime in the next few months, and will be based in Edinburgh, Scotland. Candidates should have good programming skills (preferably in the NeXT environment), and have reasonable hypermedia development skills. More details can be obtained by contacting Mr. James Lougheed on.... Tel: 031-331-7730 (may have to leave message on answering machine) Fax: 031-331-7418 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Soda......soda........soda.......and what'll you have, Stanley?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 19:13:45 GMT Message-ID: <21331@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: news@deep.rsoft.bc.ca (Usenet) philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >+> Moreover I see NS 486 as being a disaster. >+ >+ Why? > > Well it may very well succeed in the commercial sense. As we all know the > PC could only improve with NS on it. I only wish that NeXT would have ct'd > to make hardware and do the 486 thing to support the other side. > > The concern I have is strictly the connection with the academic community. > For years I have been arguing that NeXT should bring out an entry level > system so that students could afford it. In a sense they have with NS 486. > > I have nothing at, repeat nothing at all, against NS 486. I am worried > about the issue of TeX and mathematica (and S+). Will these continue to be > included for academic users? > > Business users can only gain from NS on a variety of computers. I simply > have to adjust my thinking to a software only company. There aren't many, > and they don't exactly have an academic feeling about them. Novell and the > M company come to mind. Nothing above explains why you felt it necessary to post that NS 486 would be a disaster. In fact, you really seem to think it would be a good thing. Did you simply want to damage NeXT to make yourself feel better? Did it make you feel better? >+ Are you being paid by a competing software company? I've been reading >+ this thread for a few days, and several times I came across a really >+ nasty, spiteful message. After the third or fourth, I checked back and >+ found that they were all by one person: you. > > I certainly didn't mean for them to be nasty. If they came across that way > I'm very sorry. This whole thread should have moved to .advocacy anyway, > but it's difficult to comment over they as well. Surely people can still > comment? You didn't mean for them to be nasty??? You should re-read what you've posted. Better yet, since you may be blind to what you've written, print the messages out and have some other people (maybe an English teacher) read them and tell you how they sound to them. >+ I just hope they don't screw up the opportunity, as they did with the >+ hardware opportunity. I'd say "let's keep our fingers crossed", but that >+ makes mouse operation somewhat difficult. :) > > You see, I don't agree that they messed up with the hardware. This is what > is causing a lot of the misunderstanding. As people start playing with the > PC, theywill come to realize how nice their black hardware was. Oh, I didn't say that they messed up the hardware; I said they screwed up the opportunity with the hardware. They could have brought out a higher-performance version (one of the risc chips), or a multi-68040 at a competitive price. That would have made supporters happy, and made NeXT look like less of a gamble. Instead, there was only a minor upgrade (Turbo), and promised hardware (NeXT Dimensions?) wasn't delivered, and other hardware (optical drive) was dropped from support. That, IMO, hurt their position in the hardware marketplace, and was what I meant by "screwed up the opportunity". NeXTstep is a lot more competitive a product in the software market than NeXtstations were in the hardware market. NeXTstep is a safer investment, costing less and having a longer useful lifetime. Intel x86 hardware is a relatively "safe" hardware investment because they've proven that they support backward compatibility and provide hardware that is competitive with other potential hardware (latest risc chips) in power and price. NeXT hardware wasn't giving the impression of "safety" of hardware investment. People bought NeXTstations because they ran NeXTstep, and the hardware was decent at a decent price. By dropping hardware production, NeXT no longer has to keep NeXTstep to itself. It is free to actively promote its spread to other platforms without hurting its own hardware offerings. It also frees resources to support NeXT software. Hopefully, that will mean that they can help hardware companies install NeXTstep on their machines. By being a secure software company, they'll make it more attractive for hardware companies to offer NeXTstep on their hardware. That in turn makes NeXTstep more attractive for software developers to write applications for, which makes it more attractive for hardware developers to offer NeXTstep boxes, which makes... :) If NeXT handles the opportunity properly, the result for me will be that my NeXTstation will have more software available for it, and have _more_ hardware upgrade options. Continuing to compete in the hardware market would have been a greater gamble. The result might have been the orphaning of my NeXTstation. :( -- Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: druck@afit.af.mil (Dennis W. Ruck) Subject: NewsGrazer Hangs Message-ID: <1993Feb18.170151.11518@afit.af.mil> Sender: news@afit.af.mil Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:01:51 GMT Hi! I am having a problem with NewsGrazer Release 2.0 Version 72.2. It hangs after a period of time without generating any error messages. If I autolaunch it from the dock and try to use it a few hours later, double clicking on the dock icon does absolutely nothing. Even now I am hoping that I can get this post out before it locks up on me and I get the spinning disk syndrome. If you have any ideas what might be the problem, please send me e-mail since my news reading capability is severely hampered at this time. Also, I am running NeXTSTEP Version 2.1 on a mono station. This version of NewsGrazer was working fine up to about a month ago when I started having problems with it. Thanks for any help or advice you may be able to offer. Sincerely, Dennis -- Dennis W. Ruck Air Force Institute of Technology druck@afit.af.mil Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio (NeXTmail Welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted From: kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Kirk W Goodwin) Subject: Re: ZyXEL modem info wanted Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Feb23.200305.29664@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 20:03:05 GMT Distribution: usa References: <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Keywords: Zyxel, modem alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) writes: >People: >I'm trying to purchase a ZyXEL 1496E modem and I've seen several posts for >places where I can purchase the product from. However, I've had various >difficulties with each of these places and would like to know if anybody out >there can recommend another place (prices would be great too!). >* MicroNet -- no contact information >* GES Computers, Inc. >1088 Irvine Blvd. >Tustin, CA 92680 >(714)544-2968 >fax (714)544-4685 >I've had a difficult time getting a hold of their sales rep and the price keeps >changing so.... >Kandy Shack -- recommended by a friend but he can't find his receipt, so I have >no way of contacting them! >Software Plus -- their address is a PO box, which implies a one-person >operation. >Now, if you've had positive experiences with any of these vendors or another >one or you have a used 1496E modem that you're trying to unload, please e-mail >me. Thanks in advance. Prices for the ZyXEL U1496 modems: (I will also begin to add software programs to this list. Please forward such information to me. Thank you.) DISCLAIMER: I have NO affiliation with any of the following companies nor ZyXEL although I do believe that their modem is one of the finer available. ALSO, not all prices are necessarily current, nor is this the "definative" list of ZyXEL resalers. PLEASE email me any additions or corrections to kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu. PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION: Call around to some of the places and check about their "extra" charges and personal warranties. The lowest price does not necessarily mean the lowest cost. Note: U1496 and U1496+ have been previously been called Company Phone Number U1496E U1496E+ U1496 U1496+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ZyXEL List Prices 469.00 649.00 899.00 989.00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sparco Computers (601)323-5360 289.00 Fax:(601)324-6433 Athena Microsystems Inc. (415)962-8686 299.00 399.00 Fax:(415)969-3361 Golden Everstar (714)594-4168 325.00 435.00 Magitek Computer (714)939-9220 325.00 485.00 SUNDOS Communications (800)955-5000 329.00 479.00 529.00 699.00 28083 Langside Ave. Fax:(805)251-7679 Santa Clarita CA 91351 76470.1105@CompuServe.com Kandy Shack (800)638-1170 339.00 489.00 Eagle Computing (302)657-9303 345.00 CTS (615)966-3667 348.25 Boston Computers&Peripherals (617)551-0166 349.00 The Questor Project (604)682-6659 350.00 Black & White Software (802)496-5113 ???.?? HyTek Computers (206)456-7656 ???.?? HyTek@portal.cup.com (?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kirk Goodwin | * Thought of the Week * | kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu | | 41 W.Burlington 221| There's a fine line be- | kirk-goodwin@uiowa.edu | | Iowa City, Iowa | tween fishing and standing | Grad. Biomedical Eng. | | (319)-339-0299 | on the bank like a fool. | University of Iowa | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted From: hogan@boetius (Kharim Hogan) Subject: Re: ZyXEL modem info wanted Message-ID: <1993Feb23.154921.14873@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> Keywords: Zyxel, modem Sender: news@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM References: <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 15:49:21 GMT In article <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> alex@pencom.com writes: >People: > >I'm trying to purchase a ZyXEL 1496E modem and I've seen several posts for >places where I can purchase the product from. However, I've had various >difficulties with each of these places and would like to know if anybody out >there can recommend another place (prices would be great too!). > >* MicroNet -- no contact information > >* GES Computers, Inc. >I've had a difficult time getting a hold of their sales rep and the price >keeps changing so.... > >Kandy Shack -- recommended by a friend but he can't find his receipt, so I >have no way of contacting them! > >Software Plus -- their address is a PO box, which implies a one-person >operation. > >Now, if you've had positive experiences with any of these vendors or another >one or you have a used 1496E modem that you're trying to unload, please >e-mail me. Thanks in advance. > > I bought mine from Black & White Software. They sell the U1496E in black or white bundled with their NXFax software for $600 and the U1496 for $800 (also with the fax software). NXFax is $135 so if you only want the modem, I think they just knock off the price of the software. I had absolutely no problems contacting them and dealing with them. A positive experience I'd say. I received the modem within a couple of weeks after I ordered it including the usual delay at the border. The guy to contact is Craig Goss. His email is: craig@bandw.com Hope this helps you! Kharim -- ************************************************************************* Kharim M. Hogan Systems Administrator hogan@music.mcgill.ca Faculty of Music, McGill University *************************************************************************
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,biz.next.newprod Subject: Advt: Special CD ROM offer from monoChrome Summary: CD ROM Keywords: CD ROM Message-ID: <Feb.23.16.14.54.1993.1595@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 23 Feb 93 21:14:54 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Before anyone starts sending flames, sorry for posting here, announce is currently down. ANNOUCING A SPECIAL OFFER FROM MONOCHROME FOR THEIR MONOLIB CDROM COLLECTION For a limited time until March 31, 1993, monoChrome Inc is offering their collection of 1+ GIG of software for NeXT compatible computers for $50 + tax/shipping/handling This is what monoLib customers have said about the CD ROM collection: "Thanks for doing a lot of work and putting together the 2 CD's. There's an astonishing amount of material there." 144 dj "This is fantastic stuff. It's going to take me months, if not years,to figure out all of what you gave me for my $. Just the literature alone is worth the price. Thanks for all the effort you must have put into compiling the 2 CD's..." 140 gk "GREAT INITIATIVE! THIS IS A BREAKTHROUGH MEDIUM!" 96 dv "MonoLib is great! We at NeXT-JUG were awaiting this for a long time and it was well worth the wait. And VERY reasonably priced, especially if you look at what other CD-ROMs are going for. I've played with many of the apps and have checked out lots of the documentation. Very handy. And there are lots of great tiffs and sounds to play with. Get these disks! You won't be sorry." 201 ph ******************************************************************** Company: monoChrome Inc. Comany Address: 173 Westgate Drive Edison, NJ 08820-1163 Email: kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu also soni@rwja.umdnj.edu kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu Product Name: monoLib (i.e. mono(lithic)Lib(rary)) Product Description: CD ROM full of shareware/freeware/demoware information,source code (examples, shareware/freeware/demoware, examples, GNU, pallettes classes etc), graphics (tiff, gif, eps, ps, etc), literature (recipies, bible, works of over 50 different authors, lyrics), refrences (FAQ's, NeXTanswers etc), and other files typically found on FTP (next and non next) archive sites. Other Info: -Over 1 gig of Information on 2 CD ROMs. -Information is uncompressed and usable right off the CD ROM -Information, references, literature are all indexed with Digital Librarian -A great wealth of programming examples and source code Pricing: $50.00 Until March 31,1991 You can pay for your CD's with a personal check, money order or COD. Please E:Mail all the following information back to us if ordering COD: Please make the subject: COD Order. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ORDER FORM: Name: ______________________________________________________ Organization:______________________________________________________ Address: ______________________________________________________ City: ______________________________________________________ State: ______________________________________________________ Zip Code: ______________________________________________________ Country: ______________________________________________________ Phone #: ______________________________________________________ E:Mail: ______________________________________________________ Item # 0 Quantity:_________ X Price:$______.00 = $__________.____ 1 Shipping & Handling US 2nd Day COD $15.00 + $__________.____ 2 S&H US 2nd Day not COD $07.50 + $__________.____ 3 Shipping & Handling Foreign $15.00 + $__________.____ 4 6% New Jersey Sales Tax (if you are in NJ) + $__________.____ ___________________________________________________________________ 5 Total = $__________.____ (Note, these prices are all in U.S.A. CURRENCY) (Please include only ONE S/H charge. i.e. choose only one item in range 1-3; whichever applies to you. Sorry, Foreign COD's are not currently possible. 8-o ) -------------------------------------------------------------------- If you are paying by check or money order please mail this form (filled out) back to us with payment at: monoChrome Inc. 173 Westgate Drive Edison, NJ 08820-1163 USA later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: steggie!eric (Eric Fronberg) Subject: Re: re: DSP Message-ID: <1993Feb22.092311.5049@steggie.mtview.ca.us> Sender: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us Organization: Mountain View, Ca USA References: <C2tBKr.HEw@ns1.nodak.edu> Distribution: ba Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 09:23:11 GMT In article <C2tBKr.HEw@ns1.nodak.edu> enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd Enders) writes: > > I see in an earlier post that Jobs said the DSP was a mistake. I can't > say that I agree with that assertion, per se. I think the problem with the > NeXT DSP is in the implementation, and *not* the concept. A 44.1 KHz stereo > ADC would have been much more preferable to the 8 KHz mu law part. Easy > access to the ADC via a rear panel connection would have been nice. A tighter > coupling of the ADC/DAC to the 56000 without having to resort to setting up > DMA channels would have been useful as well. But, they did show the foresight > to include a direct connection to the DSP. With external hardware, some of the > limitations are removed. Unfortunately, the third party hardware boys never > supplied an inexpensive box to hang off the DSP port. > One other issue Mr Jobs brought up is that by having a Second processor in the system, it requires a second set of development tools and debuggers. He stated that generally the second set of tools were lower quality than the tools available for the the main processor. This by itself tends to reduce possible development on the DSP as it's harder to program and debug. > If the DSP is/was such a mistake, why is Apple going to include a DSP in > some upcoming macs? I think some of the promises made for the NeXT DSP (i.e. > software modems) were a bit premature, given the constraints of the > archetecture. Is the DSP useful? Most of the folks doing music apps think so. > The potential is/was there for those willing to build/buy external hardware and > write the software. > > Todd About half a year ago I was Talking to some marketing people at SGI. Mr. Jobs basically parroted what the SGI folks had said -- It makes more sense to throw a faster CPU at DSP functions rather than use a DSP. CPU technology is zooming. -- eric -------------------------------------------------------------- | Eric Fronberg | email: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us | | Mountain View CA | ...!{sun,sgi,ultra}!steggie!eric | | 415 967-2748 | vmail: "Hey, you!" | --------------------------------------------------------------
From: 128a-2jf@e260-4c.berkeley.edu () Newsgroups: ba.market.computers,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,ba.market.misc Subject: 24Meg colorNeXTstation/600Meg/LaserPrinter $4600obo Date: 23 Feb 1993 21:46:47 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Sender: 128a-2jf@web.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <1me607$6cn@agate.berkeley.edu> NeXTstation Color for sale 25 Mhz Motorola 68040 17" Color Megapixel Display 24 MB RAM 600 MB external hard disk 2.88 MB floppy drive Sound Box Keyboard, mouse, and docs NeXT laser printer with 1 ink cartridge NS 2.1 Installed (NS 3.0 if you like) Asking for $4600 or best offer Jason Wong 128a-2jf@web.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,ba.jobs.offered From: pkim@cory.Berkeley.EDU (P. Kim) Subject: Wanted: NeXTstep Programmer (Bay Area) Message-ID: <1993Feb23.213809.7010@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: nntp@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (NNTP Poster) Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 21:38:09 GMT This is being posted for someone else so please do not respond to this account: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Exciting NeXTSTEP Development Opportunity in California! Marine Terminals Corporation, a major west coast stevedoring company with offices in SF and Oakland, is currently developing a NeXTSTEP-based graphical planning system. This highly-interactive, application will be used on a WAN connecting 3 sites around California. MTC is looking for a creative, self-motivated developer with demonstrable Objective-C and NeXTstep experience to participate in the development effort for this innovative product. Please contact: Steve Longbotham (415) 267-1138 Marine Terminals Corporation mtcoak!steve@netcom.com 600 Harrison Street, Suite 200 (NeXT mail accepted) San Francisco CA, 94107
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: guitar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Evan Schofer) Subject: Trouble reading CDROM's... Please Help! Message-ID: <1993Feb23.223814.28310@leland.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: CD ROM Sender: guitar@leland.stanford.edu Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <Feb.23.16.14.54.1993.1595@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 22:38:14 GMT Help! I've been having trouble reading some CD's, including my newly acquired copy of Sex Lies and CDROM. The disk shows up, but if I double click it, nothing happens..ever. But, I can read the Nextstep 3.0 cdrom (iso 9660 format) just fine. Furthermore, if I try to get at the disk through the "open" menu of an application, the CD and contents appear to be there, but if I try to open a file I either get a workspace manager error or else a SYSTEM PANIC!!! Anyone experienced this? Please reply... Evan Schofer guitar@leland.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,ba.jobs.offered From: pkim@cory.Berkeley.EDU (P. Kim) Subject: Wanted: NeXTstep Programmer (Bay Area) Message-ID: <1993Feb23.215337.7447@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: nntp@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (NNTP Poster) Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 21:53:37 GMT i am posting this for someone else so please do not respond to this account. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Exciting NeXTSTEP Development Opportunity in California! Marine Terminals Corporation, a major west coast stevedoring company with offices in SF and Oakland, is currently developing a NeXTSTEP-based graphical planning system. This highly-interactive, application will be used on a WAN connecting 3 sites around California. MTC is looking for a creative, self-motivated developer with demonstrable Objective-C and NeXTstep experience to participate in the development effort for this innovative product. Please contact: Steve Longbotham (415) 267-1138 Marine Terminals Corporation mtcoak!steve@netcom.com 600 Harrison Street, Suite 200 (NeXT mail accepted) San Francisco CA, 94107
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stark@superc.che.udel.edu (Scott M. Stark) Subject: Update for Archie, Now v2.01a Message-ID: <1993Feb24.002346.23342@udel.edu> Keywords: Archie Sender: usenet@udel.edu (USENET News Service) Organization: University of Delaware Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 00:23:46 GMT Thanks to some good input, an updated version of Archie is available which fixes the following problems: v2.01a Tue Feb 23 17:52:43 EST 1993 1. The directory loaded sound does not play if the audio notification preference is not selected. 2. Debugging info is no longer automatically written to the console log. I have added a General preferences that enables the logging. To actually have debugging info written, one must set the AppDebugLevel default via 'dwrite NeXTArchie_SMS AppDebugLevel 31'. 3. Fixed a problem that occured when links were being resolved on some ftp hosts. ftp.uu.net was an example of such a host. 4. Hitting the "Cancel" button in the general ftp login panel no longer causes the program to crash. 5. One person indicated that the anonymous password preference was not being saved. This should now be fixed. You should simply be able to reinstall the program and source using the previous remote packages. They can also be obtained directly from the pub directory of superc.che.udel.edu. The current version of the archive files is given by the name of the 'Version=nnn' file in the pub directory. Currently this file is 'Version=2.01a'. The file contains a list of the fixes the version has over the previous version. A listing of revision changes in contained in the 'RevisionHistory' file. A note on reporting bugs The latest version no longer dumps a bunch of debugging info to the system console. If you are experiencing a problem with the program, please do the following: 1. issue 'dwrite NeXTArchie_SMS AppDebugLevel 31' in a shell 2. After starting the program, select the 'Enable debugging output' from the General Prefs preferences panel. Then try to reproduce the problem. If the problem shows up, include the console output from the program. The 'Enable debugging output' preference is never saved and must be explicity set each time you launch the program. This option may be turned off or on at any time. Scott Stark Tue Feb 23 18:43:25 EST 1993 stark@superc.che.udel.edu (NeXT mail accepted) -- Scott Stark University of Delaware Department of Chemical Engineering 123 Colburn Lab Newark, DE 19716-3119 (302) 831-6713
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,ba.market.computers From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Subject: NeXTprinter for sale Message-ID: <1993Feb23.232350.9861@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: sieu@cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 23:23:50 GMT I have a NeXT laser printer for sale. I seldom use it because I can easily print stuff using the printers in school. Asking for US$1000 (obo) Johnson Sieu sieu@cory.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: accounting on NeXTStep Message-ID: <1993Feb23.161720.4252@nic.csu.net> From: glocker@futon.SFSU.EDU (Andreas R. Glocker) Date: 23 Feb 93 16:17:18 PST Distribution: world Organization: San Francisco State University Keywords: accounting on NeXTStep Summary: CheckSum Alpha Demo POSTED Contact: Andreas Glocker Sirius Solutions, Inc. 340 Townsend Street, Ste 540 Francisco, CA 94107 415 957-1921 (fax) 415 957-9044 e-mail: checksum@sirius.com TM CheckSum Alpha Demo POSTED ON INTERNET FOR REVIEW AND TESTING POSTED ON: sonata.cc.purdue.edu in directory /pub/next/submissions CheckSum is a financial management system designed and marketed by Sirius Soluti ons. CheckSum is a NeXTStep program for the single user or small business owner who h as basic accounting needs. CheckSum tracks expenses, income, property and cash, and provides Profit and Loss Statements and Balance Sheets. And, of course, Che ckSum balances your checkbook and prints checks. To inquire about CheckSum contact Andreas Glocker at Sirius Solutions, Inc. Th anks in advance for helping to develop great personal financial management softw are! The 1.0 version of CheckSum will be released at the end of the 2nd quarter of 19 93. German and French versions are scheduled for release in the 3rd quarter of 1993. Sirius Solutions, Inc. is a software development and consulting firm founded in the spring of 1992. Sirius Solutions focuses on business productivity and financ ial management software.
From: wisdom@geom.umn.edu (Scott Wisdom) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NewsGrazer Hangs Message-ID: <C2xJpr.H9y@news.cis.umn.edu> Date: 24 Feb 93 01:48:43 GMT Article-I.D.: news.C2xJpr.H9y References: <1993Feb18.170151.11518@afit.af.mil> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: Geometry Center, University of Minnesota In article <1993Feb18.170151.11518@afit.af.mil> druck@afit.af.mil (Dennis W. Ruck) writes: >Hi! > >I am having a problem with NewsGrazer Release 2.0 Version 72.2. It hangs >after a period of time without generating any error messages. I have had the exact same problem. It just locks up. But the problem comes and goes here over a period of days. -Scott Wisdom wisdom@geom.umn.edu
From: midiapolis@cup.portal.com (Gerard Thomas Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SoundHouse 1.01 ships from MIDIapolis Systems Message-ID: <76350@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 17:24:40 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Contact: Gerard Schwarz MIDIapolis Systems 612-822-1604 midiapolis@cup.portal.com MIDIapolis Systems ships SoundHouse 1.01 Digital Audio Recorder for NeXTSTEP computers MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota, February 22, 1993 -- MIDIapolis Systems today began shipping SoundHouse 1.01 - a new version of the inexpensive digital audio recorder for NeXTSTEP computers. SoundHouse allows NeXTSTEP users to quickly, easily, and inexpensively enter sound into their computers. SoundHouse 1.01 adds the following features: Clock display - displays time in hours, minutes, seconds, and tenths of a second. Reverse command - added to Edit menu. This backwards the current selection - the 1st sample equals the last sample, the last sample equals the first sample, etc. Invert command - added to Edit menu. This flips the current selection - multiplies all sample amplitudes by -1 (samples are turned upside down). Crop command - added to Edit menu. This deletes all of the soundfile except for the current selection. SoundHouse 1.01 also fixes 6 minor bugs that were found in SoundHouse 1.0. SoundHouse has many advanced features and yet is easy to learn and to use. It operates like a cassette recorder with buttons for play, stop, pause, and record. The clock displays the current time and the peak level meter displays the level of the audio input. The user may view the sound waveform and use simple cut, copy and paste operations such as one would with a word processor. Users may record 8 kilohertz (kHz) sound by simply using the NeXT computer's built-in microphone. SoundHouse will playback mono and stereo 8 kHz to 44.1 kHz non-compressed and compressed NeXTSTEP soundfiles. Price and availability: SoundHouse 1.01 Digital Audio Recorder is available now from MIDIapolis Systems and many NeXTSTEP dealers worldwide including NeXTConnection, Paget Press, and Diskovery Educational Systems for a list price of $XX. MIDIapolis Systems, located in Minneapolis, Minnesota, is a software developer that specializes in music, sound, and general productivity software. Other MIDIapolis Systems products for NeXTSTEP include SoundBursts: Effects, SoundBursts: Percussion, Rhythm King, DayTripper, ArtBursts: Icons+, ArtBursts: Backgrounds, ArtBursts: Borders&Boxes, and ArtBursts: Designs. Additionally, MIDIapolis Systems distributes WarpIt Image Transformation application for NeXTSTEP for Black Adder Research, Inc. MIDIapolis Systems, SoundHouse, SoundBursts, ArtBursts, and DayTripper are trademarks of MIDIapolis Systems. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Rhythm King is a trademark of Peter Langston. Black Adder Research and WarpIt are trademarks of Black Adder Research, Inc.
From: bear@mozart.aero.ufl.EDU (Cedric Bhihe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted Subject: Re: ZyXEL modem info wanted Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.wanted Date: 24 Feb 1993 02:51:45 GMT Organization: University of Florida College of Engineering Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1mens1INNhte@bigguy.eng.ufl.edu> References: <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> Keywords: Zyxel, modem In article <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com>, alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) writes: |> |> I'm trying to purchase a ZyXEL 1496E modem and I've seen several posts for |> places where I can purchase the product from. However, I've had various |> difficulties with each of these places and would like to know if anybody out |> there can recommend another place (prices would be great too!). |> |> * GES Computers, Inc. |> 1088 Irvine Blvd. |> Tustin, CA 92680 |> (714)544-2968 |> fax (714)544-4685 |> I've had a difficult time getting a hold of their sales rep and the price keeps |> changing so.... |> |> Kandy Shack -- recommended by a friend but he can't find his receipt, so I have |> no way of contacting them! |> |> |> Now, if you've had positive experiences with any of these vendors or another |> one or you have a used 1496E modem that you're trying to unload, please e-mail |> me. ------ SAME HERE !! ------ Does anybody knows whether the Zyxel 1496E includes the "Quiet Answer" and "Caller ID" feature of the Supra faxmodem ROM v 1.2J. Also is the 1496E+ compatible with Macintoshes ? And how good is this obscure Zfax faxing software which can be bundled with the Zyxel ? Cedric Bhihe ............................. bear@mozart.aero.ufl.edu Department of Aerospace Engineering, Mechanics & Engineering Science University of Florida - 231 Aerospace Building . Tel. (904) 392-7164 Gainesville, FL 32611-2031 ..................... Fax. (904) 392-7303
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: biediger@lonestar.utsa.edu (David . Biediger) Subject: NeXTSTEP hardware compatability guide. (Is ASCII available?) Message-ID: <1993Feb24.024041.648@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 02:40:41 GMT On sonata.cc.purdue.edu in /pub/next/docs/NeXT there is a postscript file named NS486.Compatibility.Guide.ps.Z. I would like to read this file as I'm planning on a new system and want to be sure it's adequate for NeXTSTEP 486/Intel. However, I do not own a postscript printer nor do I have access to one. Is this file available in ASCII or can it be converted somehow? Thanks, David
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Date: 23 Feb 1993 16:09:24 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mdi7k$4ru@steffi.demon.co.uk> What is the story with NeXT's own propertory RSA scheme? Why did RSA stop them from using their own algorithm, does RSA hold a patent on the algorithm or the general idea (Aren't patents fun!!) If anybody has code which implements NeXT's RSA and can send it to me without the NSA jumping down their throats can they please do so. Cheers.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 00:03:49 EST From: <CADER@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <93055.000349CADER@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted: TurboStation I am looking for a turbo station (Mono or color). Reasonable prices please. Am a student so anything near the last academic pricing is reasonable. Please send me info per configs, and the price you wish. let's not waste each others time. let us try to be realistic.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uad1220@dircon.co.uk (Antony Freeman) Subject: Re: DOS files to floppy Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 23:39:05 GMT Message-ID: <C2xDp7.K93@dircon.co.uk> References: <1993Feb22.170608.13153@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Invalid Argument message wrting to DOS floppies ----------------------------------------------- Sorry I can't tell you what is causing the problem, I had excatly this trouble suddenly appeared last week, and now seems to be cured. All I did meanwhile was to log in as root, in case that helped *** - It worked - *** An then oddly enough when I looged back in as antony, the problem seemed to have cured itself. Meanwhile I had posted an articel on this in next.bugs but didn;t get any answers Good luck Antony Freeman Data Text (UK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <tlm.730532259@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <21331@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 05:37:39 GMT In <21331@mindlink.bc.ca> Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) writes: >philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >>+ Are you being paid by a competing software company? I've been reading >>+ this thread for a few days, and several times I came across a really >>+ nasty, spiteful message. After the third or fourth, I checked back and >>+ found that they were all by one person: you. >> >> I certainly didn't mean for them to be nasty. If they came across that way >> I'm very sorry. This whole thread should have moved to .advocacy anyway, >> but it's difficult to comment over they as well. Surely people can still >> comment? >You didn't mean for them to be nasty??? You should re-read what you've >posted. Better yet, since you may be blind to what you've written, print the >messages out and have some other people (maybe an English teacher) read them >and tell you how they sound to them. Somewhat against my better judgement I'll offer a word here, CHILL! Philip has offered a semblance of an olive branch --- I agree, some of his remarks did come across as very nasty, but that's not the point --- so why continue this? If you scan through the archives of this newsgroup you'll find I've argued with him as vociferously (and insultingly) as anyone, but also managed to make peace with him. If someone offers an apology let it go, and in any event take things like this to E-mail or advocacy (the last refuge of scoundrels as they say :) The hard core (or is it hardware? :) NeXT community is now frozen at a population of 50,000 or so. We're all in this together, having each made an unusual commitment to the ebony boxes. Perhaps someday we'll be having "hardware reunions", so we might try a little civility for the moment. [very good comments about NS 486 -- which I agree with 98% -- deleted] TLM
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ZyXEL modem: summary of experiences Keywords: modem, ZyXEL Message-ID: <1993Feb23.191421.18232@pencom.com> Date: 23 Feb 93 19:14:21 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Distribution: usa Organization: Pencom Software People: I originally posted the follwing article: In article <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> you write: >People: > >I'm trying to purchase a ZyXEL 1496E modem and I've seen several posts for >places where I can purchase the product from. However, I've had various >difficulties with each of these places and would like to know if anybody out >there can recommend another place (prices would be great too!). > >* MicroNet -- no contact information > >* GES Computers, Inc. >1088 Irvine Blvd. >Tustin, CA 92680 >(714)544-2968 >fax (714)544-4685 >I've had a difficult time getting a hold of their sales rep and the price keeps >changing so.... > >Kandy Shack -- recommended by a friend but he can't find his receipt, so I have >no way of contacting them! > >Software Plus -- their address is a PO box, which implies a one-person >operation. > >Now, if you've had positive experiences with any of these vendors or another >one or you have a used 1496E modem that you're trying to unload, please e-mail >me. Thanks in advance. > > Here are some replies that I got. I contacted Sparco and they do indeed have the modem for $289 + 7 for UPS ground (the cheapest I had seen before this was GES Services, which was $365). If you want to purchase it COD with FedEx, it comes out to $309 total. Their address is quite strange. Sparco Computers P.O Box 4887 MS State, MS 39762-4887 Ph: (601) 323-5360 Hope this helps..... Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 795-2000 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * **************************** =========================================================================== Try Sparco. Note, I have nothing related to him. Except that, it is the lowest price I have seen so far. Priced at US$289. For details, please follow comp.dcom.modems. --Eric Mubashir A. Cheema Sparco Computers Ph: (601) 323-5360 -- ***************************************--- Grad. student ---* * Obviousness is always the enemy of * \ Jui-Lin Lu (Eric) / * * correctness. -- Bertrand Russell * / jlu@cs.umr.edu \ * ***************************************--- Univ. of Missouri-Rolla ---* =========================================================================== Hi, I bought mine from Black & White Software. They sell the U1496E in black or white bundled with their NXFax software for $600 and the U1496 for $800 (also with the fax software). NXFax is $135 so if you only want the modem, I think they just knock off the price of the software. I had absolutely no problems contacting them and dealing with them. A positive experience I'd say. I received the modem within a couple of weeks after I ordered it including the usual delay at the border. The guy to contact is Craig Goss. His email is: craig@bandw.com Hope this helps you! Kharim ============================================================================= I got my ZyXEL from MACADAM in San Francisco. I did not have a good time. I originally ordered it on tuesday, for thursday delivery. When thursday rolled around, nothing. I called in and they said they forgot. I ordered again, specifying once again a number of time that I needed the NeXT HW flow control cable, *NOT* the MAC cable. They sent me MAC fax software and a MAC cable (though I didn't know it at the time). So I pounded on my head for several days trying to get the damn thing to work. I realized they sent me the wrong cable, and they *did* send out a replacement overnight, without charge, though they did charge me $15 more overall than they quoted. I wasn't too impressed, altogether. - Scott Wisdom wisdom@geom.umn.edu ============================================================================= Here is a summary: 1. What is NXFax? It is software that enables you to use the zyxel modem as a fax modem. Some say that the NeXT does not come with drivers that work for the zyxel. One big advantage with NXFax is that it arbitrates the incoming or outgoing calls so that you can use it for dialing up and faxing w/out tweaking the option via the printmanager. I have the DoveFax modem, and that is exactly what you have to do at the moment. Some say that the next does come with all the drivers necessary to run the modem. But the implication is that you'd have to use print manager to switch between fax and data service. Also, it appears that the next FaxDaemon loses incoming faxes. This is reportedly a bug in 3.0. 2. The ZyXEL modem types: 1496e - LED lights | cheapest 1496e+ | V 1496+ | V 1496s - LCD display with menus and things.| most expensive I can only vouch for the 'e' and 's' models since I've received a brochure from B&W software about them. As far as bundling, B&W offers at least two packages, bundling NXFax with either the 'e' or 's' models. The 'e' model bundle is $600, the 's' model bundle is $850. I believe that this includes the cable and everything necessary to plug and play. There are no educational discounts from B&W. George Soules from bandw.com (george@bandw.com) reports that "Most importantly, the S supports 4-wire leased lines." 3. Where to get the stuff: You can try george@bandw.com for the bundled packages as described above. You can also try to buy the modem and NXFax separately: bandw.com: modem + NXFax: $600 or $850 as above modem: available from MicroNet $350 available from SoftwarePlus $425, contact: 1-817-387-NeXT (info and international orders) 1-800-ALL-NeXT (orders only) NXFax: from B&W software (try george@bandw.com) for $135 NOTES: It appears that getting the modem and NXFax separately comes out cheaper, but you might not necessarily get the cable with that, and from all the responses I got, you get the BLACK modem only from B&W. Other sources will get you the white version. =========================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Message-ID: <C2xyxH.JLG@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <21331@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 07:17:41 GMT In article <21331@mindlink.bc.ca> Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) writes: [ ] > >Nothing above explains why you felt it necessary to post that NS 486 would be >a disaster. In fact, you really seem to think it would be a good thing. Did >you simply want to damage NeXT to make yourself feel better? Did it make you >feel better? I think my explanation clarified my message. I indicated that I was viewing matters from an academic point of view. Is that clear enough? I must tell you that I resent your implicaion that I am/was deliberately trying to hurt NeXT, and I don't need the type of patronizing questions you have in the above paragraph. > [ ] > >You didn't mean for them to be nasty??? You should re-read what you've >posted. Better yet, since you may be blind to what you've written, print the >messages out and have some other people (maybe an English teacher) read them >and tell you how they sound to them. Ok, there doesn't seem to be any way to be reasonable with you. I don't need you to tell me to consult an english teacher. I do think you might reconsider the number of personal attacks you have just thrown at me in response to what was not a spiteful message. Philip
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) Subject: Re: Old soldier never dies, they just... Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 07:18:06 GMT Message-ID: <21369@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: news@deep.rsoft.bc.ca (Usenet) philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) blathers some more: > NeXT has lost (1) the academic community (2) most CC's and (3) the trust of > most people who have given them 10 seconds of their thought processes. Another of your spiteful statements that you actually don't believe in if asked to prove it? :-/ Has NeXT abandoned the academic market? They could still offer educational discounts for their products. I've given NeXT more than 10 seconds of thought, and I trust them even more than before, since the survivability and upgradability of hardware and software should be higher now. -- Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Reverse printing under 3.o?? Message-ID: <1993Feb24.080552.18017@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 08:05:52 GMT Does anyone know why my NeXT Laser Printer might no longer be printing documents in reverse page order (so that they pile up in the correct order)? Reverse printing used to be standard until I upgraded to 3.0; now I sometimes get reverse printing, sometimes not. Of course, I don't get it the day I have four 200-page documents to print! Aaaarrgh! Anyone know how to fix this? -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted From: timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) Subject: Re: ZyXEL modem info wanted Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:11:21 GMT Message-ID: <timm.730545081@zaphod> Distribution: usa References: <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> <1993Feb23.200305.29664@news.uiowa.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: Zyxel, modem Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Kirk W Goodwin) writes: >Company Phone Number U1496E U1496E+ U1496 U1496+ >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >ZyXEL List Prices 469.00 649.00 899.00 989.00 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Magitek Computer (714)939-9220 325.00 485.00 This one may or may not be right, as I just bought one not too long ago (2 months?) and I asked if it was $325 as I had read on the internet once before and they said, no, $345, which is what I paid, but otherwise, no real complaints. Got it very quickly. Oh, and it's Magictek Computer, Inc. -- Tim McClarren | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks." timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu| (217)244-0015 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Message-ID: <1993Feb24.124447.11775@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1mdi7k$4ru@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 12:44:47 GMT In article <1mdi7k$4ru@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) writes: >What is the story with NeXT's own propertory RSA scheme? NeXT could not export it. So they pulled it from the release. >Why did RSA stop them from using their own algorithm, does RSA hold a >patent on the algorithm or the general idea (Aren't patents fun!!) The FEE was going to be used for key encoding. I believe they were still going to use RSA for the body of the messages >If anybody has code which implements NeXT's RSA and can send it >to me without the NSA jumping down their throats can they please do so. I don't know how many customers ever got a copy of the package that included workspace and mail encryption. I would think the number closely approximates 1. -- Joe Freeman jfreem@uncecs.edu The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer, future employer, anyone in my family or anyone else I know of.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) Subject: Fat-Binaries, cross-compiler, CONFIRMED? Message-ID: <1993Feb24.133617.7076@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 13:36:17 GMT Has there been any confirmation from NeXT, or any other reputable source, that a cross-compiler will be part of NS 3.1? I'd love to at least take crack at compiling software for NS 486. ( I know, I know: Even NeXT cannot always be considered a reputable source ;-) ) - Max | William R. Herndon \ The MITRE Corporation, Dept. G023 | | EMail: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org \ Secure Information Technology | | NeXTMail: bill@mephisto.gotham.com \ MS-Z231, 703.883.6393 | | | | "The world bores you when you're cool." - Calvin |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: WANTED: reveille.snd Message-ID: <1993Feb24.125107.287@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 12:51:07 GMT I am looking for a stereo sound sample of a "reveille" or bugle call. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: need make'ble ppp on 3.0 Date: 24 Feb 1993 11:54:56 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mgcpgINN79v@tamsun.tamu.edu> I recently obtained ppp0.2 from the archives (nova I think). I'm having problems compiling it under 3.0 on a '040 -- I get stuff like incompatible pointers to signal(SIGUSR1,<pointer>) and such. Plus, the whole thing is a little cryptic in describing installation. Is there a better PPP source somewhere that's more reliable in terms of compilation, and explanation (separate instrcutions for REMOTE and LOCAL [LOCAL=computer at home that's dialing up the ppp 'server'] would be nice). Thnaks in advance! -- -- Andrew Duchowski | -- -- Texas A&M University | This page intentionally blank -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail) | -- -- andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail) | --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: stark@superc.che.udel.edu (Scott M. Stark) Subject: Archie update, now 2.02a Message-ID: <1993Feb24.181145.12662@udel.edu> Keywords: Archie Sender: usenet@udel.edu (USENET News Service) Organization: University of Delaware Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 18:11:45 GMT v2.02a Wed Feb 24 11:46:59 EST 1993 How often am I going to release updates. When ever I find or have a bug reported that crashes the program I will try to get a new version out as soon as possible. This update is in this category. Hopefully the next update will not be for a couple of weeks. This is a list of the fixes this version contains: 1. Fixed the FTP Error message display in Object_FTPDaemon to actually display the errMsg string. 2. Fixed login:user:passwd: of FTPObject so that it does not call ftpQuit: prior to calling [self free:] if ftpLogin:user:passwd: fails. This previously crashed the program. 3. Added the display of error message panels to the retrieve: and openInWorkspace: methods of Query class on failure to login to the ftp server. There is an outstanding problem with the enabling of the FTP submenu items that I have not been able to track down yet. The problem is that if you select a file or directory in the main browser, the FTP "Retrieve..." item is not enabled (among others) as it should be. Selecting other menus usually resets the program so that the FTP items do update correctly. -- Scott Stark University of Delaware Department of Chemical Engineering 123 Colburn Lab Newark, DE 19716-3119 (302) 831-6713 stark@superc.che.udel.edu (NeXT mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,soc.culture.japan From: aoki@madonna (Ken-ichiro Aoki) Subject: Japanese on US NeXT's - How?? Message-ID: <1993Feb24.095433.22315@mic.ucla.edu> Summary: How do we put Japanese wordprocessors on NeXT's? Keywords: NeXT, Japanese, jtex, nemacs, kterm Organization: Physics Department, UCLA Date: 24 Feb 93 09:54:32 PST How can you put Japanese on the US distributed NeXT's? (NextStation Turbo Color and NextStation) Needless to say, cheaper the better. I noticed that NEmacs (nihongo emacs) does exist for NeXT's, but does not work since there is no Japanese support (fonts and all that). Specifically, what do we need to run NEmacs, jtex and/or Japanese terminals on the US distributed NeXT's? Do we just need the fonts in some directory? Would putting on X help? If it is possible to do this, how much diskspace is needed? (I assume the space requirements for putting all the kanji fonts in is not trivial if it could be done.) Email (aoki@physics.ucla.edu) preferable; will summarize if there is interest. NeXTmail welcome. (Sorry for the screwed up address in the header, I can't fix it. ;) -- ___Kenichiro Aoki (aoki@madonna.physics.ucla.edu) Physics Dept,UCLA,Ca,USA. (Due to the bad configuration of our newsreaders, please note that the From: field might be screwed up.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.admin From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: R&A ANNOUNCES ZEND: A FREE FILE/DIRECTORY DISTRIBUTION APPLICATION & DRIVER Message-ID: <1993Feb24.210313.13436@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 21:03:13 GMT Distribution: world R&A ANNOUNCES ZEND: A FREE FILE/DIRECTORY DISTRIBUTION APPLICATION & DRIVER Zend automates sending files and directories through e-mail. Zend was written, because: a. Many sites have maximum sizes on their UUCP transfers, which blocks large mail messages with embedded files/directories. b. Not all sites use the same mail encoding scheme. (Try to send a directory from a Sun to a NeXT for example). Normally, users will have to (tar) (compress) uuencode, split, mail, reassemble and uudecode (uncompress) (untar) their transfers. Zend will do this for them. It will use the smallest of the two sites' packet sizes. Using Zend is as simple as dropping a file on a window and filling in the recipients' name (currently, there is a GUI for this program only under NeXTSTEP) or using the commandline version. The zend protocol is not meant to be efficient, but it is meant to be reliable. Just say zend user@any.system file-or-directory and it will be delivered. You will be notified of its delivery by mail, and the receiving user will get mail when it has arrived. Zend will transfer files and directories between users transparently on any Unix system it has been ported to. Zend has been tested on SunOS 4.1.1, Ultrix 4.3, SCO Unix 3.2.2 and of course NeXTSTEP. (Early versions have been tested on AIX 2.1.2 and Ultrix 4.2 also, Solaris will probably give no problems either.). Only the NeXTSTEP version comes with a GUI front-end that also supports services (Zend.app). Zend allows the system administrator to exclude users and systems from using the zend protocol. It allows for setting limits on the sizes of transfers to and from your system, in real and in compressed form. Results can be delivered in a subdirectory of the users home directory, or in a spool directory. Zend has been checked for security. Zend has a timeout/resend protocol. There are few restrictions. The most important is: Zend has to be installed as mail alias on the both sending and receiving system. Zend uses the mail alias name "zend" (which means that you should not have a user called "zend" on your system). You have to be system administrator to be able to install it. (Zend is free because of economic reasons. we happen to think it cannot be made a commercial success, but it can have some success if it is free.) Zend can be found on ftp-site sun4nl.nluug.nl: comp/NeXT/Zend.pkg.compressed NeXTSTEP installer package binaries only. Install as root edit config file and "it just works". comp/unix/zend-1.0.tar.Z Complete source package including Zend.app source (This is where it is supposed to be, but I am not the system administrator of nluug.nl). We will be unavailable for comment or help during the next 3 weeks. from 15/3/93 on you can contact R&A gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: GESTEL Italia ships solidThinking MODELER Message-ID: <6875@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 24 Feb 93 23:36:30 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software News For Immediate Release For more information, please contact: Alex Mazzardo GESTEL Italia srl Tel.: ++39 444 340770 Fax: ++39 444 340780 E-mail: gestel@fintelit.next.it For North America Leann Coulter Alembic Systems International Ltd. Tel.: 1-800-452-7608 Fax: (303) 799-1435 E-mail: info@alembic.com GESTEL Italia ships solidThinking MODELER Vicenza, Italy, Feb 10, 1993 - GESTEL Italia announces today that solidThinking MODELER, the advanced 3D modeling system for NeXTSTEP, began shipping Monday, February 1st. Regarding NeXT decision to terminate hardware production, GESTEL Italia announces its intention to port its complete product line to every platform supporting NeXTSTEP. GESTEL Italia, in collaboration with its North America Exclusive Distributor, Alembic Systems International Ltd., will be present at the NeXTWORLD EXPO 93 in San Francisco showing solidThinking MODELER on both NeXT hardware and Intel 486s. During the EXPO, GESTEL Italia will also introduce solidThinking ANIMATOR, a complete animation system for NeXTSTEP. solidThinking is an integrated package composed by the following modules: MODELER Professional 3D modelling system. Includes: complex primitive generator with quadrics, patches and NURBs support. Morphing. Advanced 2d profile editor. Editable postscript fonts outline. Multiple lofting and deformations that you can apply to extruded or rotated objects. Automatic generation of shadows and reflection maps. Unlimited output resolution. Interactive photorealistic rendering through Pixar's program RenderMan. ANIMATOR Animator for professional video production. Allows you to animate scenes or objects created with any RIB compatible modelers. It supports the animation of free form deformations, shaders and every objects parameters. Kinematic control on actors, camera and lights. Rotoscoping and real time preview. Direct control on video recorders for preview or final photorealistic recording. SHADERBUILDER User friendly interface for the creation of complex customized shaders, without being familiar with the shading language of RenderMan. It automatically generates and compiles your shader with easy photorealistic preview. TRANSPORTER Direct control of any professional video recorders. SOLIDSCANNER Scanner for 3D objects. solidThinking MODELER specifications -------------------------------------------------------- With its rich set of tools solidThinking MODELER allows you to create 3D models starting from geometric primitives and DXF, EPS, TIFF, TDDD, WAVEFRONT, OpenCAD and RIB files. User interface: MODELER has been conceived to be used even by designers without a special knowledge of 3D programming. The user interface is extremely user friendly and fully interactive. The main panel has four views: three orthogonal (top, front, side) and one perspective (camera view) with wireframe, Flat shading, Gouraud shading and photorealistic visualizations. Each operation is controlled by mouse or panel. Geometric primitives: Using the RenderMan standard, MODELER supports polygonal objects, quadrics (sphere, cylinder, etc.), bilinear and bicubic parametric surfaces (Bezier, BSpline, etc.) and NURBS (Not Uniform Rational BSpline). Geometrical shapes can be modified one into another through a metamorphoses algorithm (for example you may obtain a series of intermediate objects starting from a sphere and a cylinder by simply moving a slider). These geometrical shapes can also be organized in matrices. MODELER supports the Boolean operations of addition, subtraction and intersection for the creation of complex objects. Primitives can be grouped hierarchically. 2D editor: Planar editor with Bezier curves that lets you create any complex profile you can imagine. You can automatically convert postscript fonts in a series of editable Bezier curves for 3D text generation. Surfaces generator: Starting from bidimensional profiles you can obtain extruded or lathed objects with bilinear or bicubic patches. Moreover, complex deformations like twisting, tapering, skewing, etc. Point Edit: Points that define patches and polygonal objects can be directly edited in the QuadriView Panel using standard operators like translate, scale, rotate, etc. Surface parameters: Using the numerous shaders (procedural textures) it is possible to define not simply the color but also the different surface properties that give the images a photorealistic quality. Bitmapped images can be converted into textures and applied to groups or single objects. Advanced shading controls like texture coordinates are fully supported. Reflection of objects in your scene may be simulated applying environment maps that solidThinking MODELER generates automatically. Lights: You can control an unlimited number of light sources through specific shaders. Different kinds of light: ambient, distant, point and spot. Shadows are created automatically and, through the RenderMan shading language, it is possible to define different light effects (for example the famous Windowlight, used in the "TIN TOY" film, a particular light that simulates illumination through windows). Data exchange: RIB is used as standard file format. Scenes and objects can be visualized by any program supporting the RIB standard file format. Generic RIB files can be imported as single CLIP objects or as hierarchical structures. Output: solidThinking MODELER can be interfaced with any output device generating 32 bit colour images with Alpha channel at any resolution. The high quality of the images is guaranteed by the Pixar's rendering program "Photorealistic RenderMan". solidThinking is a trademark of GESTEL Italia srl. All other product names are trademarks of their respective companies. All Rights Reserved.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: pspiliop@iiic.ethz.ch (Panagiotis Spiliopoulos) Subject: Astronomy software wanted! Message-ID: <1993Feb25.001838.14802@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Summary: astronomy software incl. graphics visualization wanted Originator: pspiliop@b19 Keywords: astronomy, visual, software Sender: news@neptune.inf.ethz.ch (Mr News) Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 00:18:38 GMT I am looking for a software package that allows me calculate the movements/ positions of the planets, including visualization. The programm should be able to draw maps and contain useful information about different kinds of stellar objects (stars, etc..). Any hints welcome. Greetings Takis ----------------------------------------------------------- "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes and | there shall be no more Death. Neither sorrow, nor crying.| Neither shall there be any more Brain; for the former | things are passed away." | Revelations, XXI | ----------------------------------------------------------- Takis Spiliopoulos | email: pspiliop@inf.ethz.ch | Herweg 47 | psp@spectrospin.ch | CH-8708 Maennedorf | TURBO@ezinfo.vmsmail.ethz.ch | SWITZERLAND | | +41 1 920 36 89 | | -----------------------------------------------------------
From: mb108@cs.city.ac.uk (omo Adelakun Toyin K) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: NeXTStation purchase Date: 25 Feb 1993 00:28:27 -0000 Organization: Computer Science Dept, City University, London Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mh3rbINNjv5@fred.cs.city.ac.uk> Hi all, I'm buying an ex-demo NeXTStation from a dealer, and want to know what I should expect to come with the box. Any guidance, especially re hardcopy manuals etc? Many thanx, Toyin.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: Franz CL and ObjectWorks for NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Feb25.011709.22808@venice.sedd.trw.com> Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <1m7r8qINNq7e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 01:17:09 GMT Denis LaFont (cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: : What are the e-mail of the people I must contact to have information : about Allegro CL and ObjectWorks Smalltalk for NeXT ? Try: sales@parcplace.com (Smalltalk) sales@franz.com (Allegro CL) Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
From: marc@popcbr.rockefeller.edu ( Marc Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mac sound --> NeXT format?? Message-ID: <1993Feb24.152636.5798@rockyd.rockefeller.edu.rockefeller.edu> Originator: marc@popcbr.rockefeller.edu Keywords: Mac NeXT sound sample Organization: Population Council, New York Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 15:26:36 EST Does anyone know of software (either sources or binaries) to convert Mac sound format files to NeXT format? I have a ton of sounds on my Mac and would like to be able to play them on the NeXT. Please e-mail, or post if you think other folks might be interested. Thanx! marc -- = Marc Johnson "Gimme the beat, boys, and free my soul, = The Population Council I wanna get lost in yer rock'n'roll, = Rockefeller University and drift away..." = NYC 10021 INTERNET: marc@popcbr.rockefeller.edu (129.85.1.235)
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pencil Me In Ships from Sarrus Software, Inc. Message-ID: <6878@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 25 Feb 93 00:34:12 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software News Release Date: February 22, 1993 Contact: Sarrus Software, Inc. Andy Turk 777-C Woodside Road, Suite 101 Redwood City, CA 94061 Phone: 415.306.2495 Email: andy@sarrus.com Pencil Me In Ships from Sarrus Software, Inc. Redwood City, Calif., February 22, 1993 - Sarrus Software, Inc., today announced the release of Pencil Me In version 1.0, its group scheduling application for NeXTSTEP. Pencil Me In is a full-featured personal calendar that uses the metaphor of a conventional, paper-based time management system as the starting point for a powerful group scheduling system. Going far beyond the capabilities of a paper diary, Pencil Me In allows and encourages group scheduling by providing composite calendars, six different levels of security, simultaneous update capability for shared calendars, and the ability to exchange calendar information through NeXT's electronic mail system. Composite calendars make it easy to find the best time for a group meeting. The times when members of the group are busy are visually highlighted in standard calendar formats. Three special Timeline formats show even more information for each person in the group. "We wanted to crack the group scheduling problem for workgroups, and we knew we had to first provide a great individual calendar so people would use it," said Andy Turk, President of Sarrus Software. "We think our two big contributions to scheduling technology are the simultaneous update mechanism and our user interface. People modify their schedule all the time, and Pencil Me In's automatic updating mechanism keeps everyone in sync. They also need a superior user-interface so that managing their schedule on the computer is easy and fun." Swiss Bank Corporation licenses Pencil Me In Swiss Bank Corporation has licensed Pencil Me In for use as a key component of its NeXT office automation platform. "Individual and group scheduling is a vital part of interpersonal computing," said Robert M. Wilen, Director of Technical Architecture. "Pencil Me In is the first-class scheduler that the NeXT market has been crying out for." Software For People Who Work In Groups The mission of Sarrus Software is to develop and market group-oriented office productivity software. Pencil Me In and future products from Sarrus Software will work closely with electronic mail. Sarrus Software, Inc. is headquartered at Suite 101, 777-C Woodside Road, Redwood City, CA 94061. Pencil Me In is a trademark of Sarrus Software, Inc. NeXTSTEP is a trademark of NeXT Computer, Inc.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Insignia Ships SoftPC with Windows for NeXT Computers Message-ID: <6881@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 25 Feb 93 01:02:13 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software News: February 22 SoftPC with Windows for NeXT Computers IS NOW SHIPPING FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Insignia Solutions Inc. Darlene E. Ducharme Sales Administration (508) 682-7600 Allison Thomas Associates, Inc. Emily Brower Public Relations (415) 775-8599 Insignia Solutions Inc. Shannon Auten Marketing (415) 694-7635 Insignia Solutions Inc. Announces SoftPC Product Family for NeXT Computers Ships SoftPC with Windows for NeXT Computers ANDOVER, February 8, 1993 - Insignia Solutions announced today the SoftPC 3.0 Product Family for NeXT computers. The SoftPC 3.0 Product Family is the best and most flexible suite of solutions for running MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows applications on NeXT computers. The 3.0 Product Family, based on Insignia's third generation emulation technology, includes SoftPC with Windows and softPC Professional. All versions of SoftPC ship with MS-DOS 5.0 pre-installed, and SoftPC with Windows ships with Microsoft Windows 3.1 pre-installed. The new versions of SoftPC replace the current SoftPC 2.0 product. "These new versions of softPC are our response to the changing needs of the NeXT marketplace. As the use of commercial Windows applications increase, corporate NeXT users need better, faster solutions for accessing mission-critical information available only through DOS- and Windows-based applications," said Bill McCarthy, Vice President of UNIX Packaged Products at Insignia Solutions. "The release of our new SoftPC 3.0 Family of products reflects our commitment to the NeXT market by providing the best solution for interoperating with DOS and Windows environments." The SoftPC Product Family The SoftPC 3.0 Product Family includes two new products, SoftPC with Windows and SoftPC Professional. SoftPC with Windows is best used with Microsoft Windows-based applications including graphics packages such as presentation and draw programs. SoftPC Professional is best used with most PC applications such as database, word processing, communication, and spreadsheet applications as well as other applications requiring extended memory or SVGA graphics. Both versions of softPC provide tight integration between the MS-DOS, Microsoft windows and NeXTSTEP environments. SoftPC with windows users can interchange data between the Windows clipboard and the NeXTSTEP clipboard. SoftPC supports file transfer between the MS-DOS and the NeXT file system using standard MS-DOS commands. SoftPC users can cut and paste graphics and text between NeXT and PC applications. Users can also configure the type of PC hardware, disk size and memory emulated by SoftPC using the familiar NeXT user interface. Both versions of SoftPC enable PC applications to print to NeXT printers. The NeXT floppy disk drive functions as a PC floppy disk drive, the NeXT keyboard becomes the PC keyboard, the NeXT Mouse becomes a Microsoft Mouse and the NeXT serial ports function as PC serial ports and can be used to access peripherals, such as modems. SoftPC with Windows SoftPC with Windows is the most fully-featured member of the SoftPC 3.0 Product Family. It offers the same PC compatibility as SoftPC Professional, and adds the ability to run Windows applications in the NeXTSTEP environment. Every copy of SoftPC with Windows includes a pre-installed copy of Microsoft Windows 3.1 Insignia has written special Windows display and mouse drivers that improve performance of windows applications in the NeXTSTEP environment. The windows display driver maps Windows display calls directly to NeXTSTEP Display Postscript. The Windows mouse driver maps Microsoft Mouse calls to the mouse driver in the NeXTSTEP system software, providing NeXT mouse performance in the Windows environment. SoftPC with Windows is easy to install and configure. After completing the standard NeXTSTEP software installation and starting SoftPC, the user can begin a Windows session simply by typing "WIN". The Windows setup, including display, mouse and printer installation is complete, saving users time with Windows installation. New options allow the user to select the number of colors displayed and the Windows desktop size through the familiar NeXTSTEP interface. SoftPC Professional for NeXT Computers SoftPC Professional for NeXT Computers is designed for users who require emulation of fully featured PC hardware to run high-end Pc applications such as word processors, databases, spreadsheets and communication software. SoftPC Professional, which replaces SoftPC 2.0 for the NeXT, now includes protect mode emulation of the 80286 processor, supports extended memory and SVGA, VGA, EGA and CGA graphics, and includes MS-DOS 5.0 pre-installed. Many PC applications now require the protected-mode 80286 operation to access more than 640 kbytes of conventional PC memory. Support for protect mode and extended memory allows SoftPC Professional users to run virtually and MS-DOS application available today. Pricing and Availability The SoftPC 3.0 Product Family is available now, through NeXT software retailers and Insignia Solutions. The SoftPC 3.0 Family for NeXT ships on NeXT-formatted CD-ROM disks. For product or upgrade information, call Insignia Solutions Inc., at 508-682-7600. About Insignia Solutions Insignia Solutions Inc. develops and sells high-quality, low-cost software solutions for emulating PC hardware in non-MS-DOS operating environments. The company has strategic relationships with Microsoft and the industry's leading computer manufacturers. Insignia Solutions Inc. is headquartered in Mountain View, Calif. with sales, marketing and support operations in Mountain View, Calif. and andover, Mass. Insignia solutions Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Insignia Solutions Ltd., headquartered in High Wycombe, U.K. Insignia and SoftPC are registered trademarks of Insignia Solutions Inc. MS-DOS is a registered trademark and Windows is a trademark of Microsoft Corporation. NeXTSTEP is a registered trademark and NeXT is a trademark of NeXT Computers Incorporated. All other product names mentioned are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective holders.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: stark@superc.che.udel.edu (Scott M. Stark) Subject: Archie update, now v2.03a Message-ID: <1993Feb25.023154.2570@udel.edu> Keywords: Archie Sender: usenet@udel.edu (USENET News Service) Organization: University of Delaware Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 02:31:54 GMT v2.03a Wed Feb 24 18:38:36 EST 1993 Sorry, but I have another crash and burn program fix. This occured when you autoloaded a directory from a document browser that did not contain any files. Here is the Version=2.03a fixes: 1. Fixed a problem that crashed the program when one autoloaded a directory that did not have any files. 2. Corrected the redisplay algorithm of autoloaded directories that do not contain any files. 3. Corrected misspelling of "Retrieve..." in FTP submenu. Scott -- Scott Stark University of Delaware Department of Chemical Engineering 123 Colburn Lab Newark, DE 19716-3119 (302) 831-6713
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Beta of Questor Spreadsheet Now on Archive Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Feb23.123805.19034@sics.se> Apparently-To: mail2news@dis.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 00:09:08 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Feb25.000908.3740@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Feb23.123805.19034@sics.se> jesper@harry.xanthus.se (Jesper Lundh) writes: >------ Beta Version of Questor Spreadsheet Application >------ Now Available on Archive > >Stockholm, February 22, 1992 - Xanthus International AB today announced >that the latest beta version of its spreadsheet application Questor is >available on a public archive. > [deleted] > >To this backbone is added a number of powerful features: > >- A structured scripting language - QScript with an "intelligent" editor >including automatic pretty-printing and programming support. QScript >allows you to customize your spreadsheet to perform very specific tasks. > >- Input controllers like buttons, text-fields and sliders can be >drag-and-dropped anywhere on the spreadsheet and connected to QScript code >or directly to cells by control-dragging. > >- "Output objects" like charts and gauges can be drag-and-dropped anywhere >on the spreadsheet and be connected to cell areas by control-dragging for >continuous updating. > >- "Hot-links" to the chart application Graphity (like Lotus Improv and >Presentation Builder). Graphity is a chart application that supports 3D >business graphics based on Renderman. > >- Seamless connections to relational databases like Oracle and Sybase >using the Database Kit in NeXTSTEP. > >- Timers that can trigger complex calculations, database queries or any >other event at regular intervals. > >- A powerful double-directed API that allows Questor to easily control and >send data to other applications. The API also makes it easy for other >applications to control Questor and to feed data into spreadsheets. > >- External functions can be written in C or in QScript and be loaded into >Questor for easy extensibility. > [More features deleted] > >- Powerful Report Layout functions that allows total control over the >layout of your spreadsheets, including direct manipulation and drawing >tools. > >- Timers that can be used to invoke macros and QScript functions at >periodic intervals. > >- Full support for object linking. Charts, cell areas and graphics can be >copied and linked into other documents for continuous updating. > [Yet more features deleted] > >- Use of the Color Panel and Font Panel for editing objects and cells. > >- Inspectors for all objects including cells and the spreadsheet itself. > >- Drag-and-drop from the Workspace or from the ToolBox in Questor. > >- Object linking fully supported. > >Questor will be available Q1 1993 through selected resellers worldwide. > Wow! Where do you guys find the _time_ to do all that? Must be those long Swedish nights... :-) Dave Griffiths
From: gopal@dworkin.wustl.edu (R.Gopalakrishnan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.os.mach,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Software for NeXT 3.0 Keywords: tcsh,X11R4 Message-ID: <38459@dworkin.wustl.edu> Date: 25 Feb 93 00:16:21 GMT Followup-To: poster Organization: Washington University St. Louis, MO Hi, I'm looking for source (or binaries) of tcsh for the Next 3.0 platform. Also do you have info about X11R4 for the Next in public domain. Thanks. You may reply to gopal@dworkin.wustl.edu
From: machang@llewella.uchicago.edu (Andrew C. Chang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help, mail.apps Message-ID: <1993Feb24.214329.12150@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: 24 Feb 93 21:43:29 GMT Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations I was trying to append my .signature and .add-header files to the end of the mail messages, following the NeXT.FAQ.misc instruction. But everytime, I got error messages:"invalid mailer". I just could not figure it out. Could anyone tell me how I can do that. Thanx. -- Andrew C. Chang (machang@amber.uchicago.edu) Graduate School of Business, University of Chicago, Chicago, IL 60637 --------------------------------------------------------------------- * To know that we know what we know, and that we do not know what * * we do not know, that is the true knowledge. - Confucius * ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gary@uranus.isr.recruit.co.jp Subject: port of version 2 Berkeley MPEG decoder Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <gary.93Feb231300@uranus.isr.recruit.co.jp> Sender: news@isr.recruit.co.jp Organization: Media Design Center, Recruit Co. Ltd., Tokyo, JAPAN Mime-Version: 1.0 Distribution: fj Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 04:00:00 GMT Some days ago I made this post: > I have ported Version 2.0 of the public domain MPEG decoder from Berkeley > Plateau Research Group. The port is specifically optimized for 16bit > color NeXTstations. However it should also work reasonably well on > NeXTdimensions. I don't know what the performance is since I use a > NeXTdimension. The performance on a NeXTDimension is 5.5 frames/sec > for a 120x160 frame. It should do better on a NeXTstation. You can > ftp it from ftp.isr.recruit.co.jp (133.194.10.3) in the directory > pub/next. The name of the file is mpeg_next.tar.Z. Unfortunately, my company's anonymous ftp server doesn't seem to allow access to some users. So I have submitted it to cs.orst.edu in the directory /pub/next/submissions. A few persons were able to get it directly from my company's ftp server and reported approximately 7-8 frames/sec on a turbo color NeXTstation. Thanks, Gary gary@isr.recruit.co.jp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA In-Reply-To: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu's message of Wed, 24 Feb 1993 12:44:47 GMT To: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Feb24083508@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1mdi7k$4ru@steffi.demon.co.uk> <1993Feb24.124447.11775@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 12:35:08 GMT In article <1993Feb24.124447.11775@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes: I don't know how many customers ever got a copy of the package that included workspace and mail encryption. I would think the number closely approximates 1. So Steve Jobs can spend the entire day sending encrypted messages to himself ? He must be having fun. :-) Carl Edman
From: mb108@cs.city.ac.uk (omo Adelakun Toyin K) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: 3rd-party ODs on NeXTs Date: 25 Feb 1993 11:09:01 -0000 Organization: Computer Science Dept, City University, London Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mi9cdINNmpt@fred.cs.city.ac.uk> There was discussion some time ago about the use of IBM magneto-optical disks on NeXT boxes. Anyone know or recall what the verdict was? Thanx++, Toyin (toyin@aixssc.ibm.co.uk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kohno@ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Fujimasa Kohno) Subject: irc source for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Feb25.114031.1900@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Sender: news@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Kyoto University, JAPAN Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 11:40:31 GMT Hi, there. I found irc compiled file at sonata.cc.purdue.edu:pub/next/submissions. But since it is alr eady compiled, I can't change hostmachine. If there is a source file for NeXT, could you please let me know where it is? Thanks in advance. -- Fujimasa Kohno, MD. [$B2OLnF#@5(J] Dept. of Cardiology, Kyoto Univ. Hospital Mail : 703 New-Takano-Royal-Hgts, 5 Tanaka-Okubo-Cho, Sakyo-Ku, Kyoto City, 606, Japan. Email : kohno@ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (NeXT Mail OK!) Voice : +81-75-702-7203 Fax : +81-75-702-6219 it is? Thanks in advance. -- Fujimasa Kohno, MD. [$B2OLnF#@5(J] Dept. of Cardiology, Kyoto Univ. Hospital Mail : 703 New-Takano-Royal-Hgts, 5 Tanaka-Okubo-Cho, Sakyo-Ku, Kyoto City, -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FYI;"!&:7AE9$=O=&AI8T)"0D-O M=7)I97([7&8Q7&9S=VES<R!(96QV971I8V$[?0I<;6%R9VPQ,C`*7&UA<F=R M,3(P"EQP87)D7'1X.38P7'1X,3DR,%QT>#(X.#!<='@S.#0P7'1X-#@P,%QT M>#4W-C!<='@V-S(P7'1X-S8X,%QT>#@V-#!<='@Y-C`P7&8P7&(P7&DP7'5L M;F]N95QF<S(T7&9C,%QC9C`@2&DL('1H97)E+EP*7`I)(&9O=6YD(&ER8R!C M;VUP:6QE9"!F:6QE(&%T('-O;F%T82YC8RYP=7)D=64N961U.G!U8B]N97AT M+W-U8FUI<W-I;VYS+EP*0G5T('-I;F-E(&ET(&ES(&%L<F5A9'D@8V]M<&EL M960L($D@8V%N)W0@8VAA;F=E(&AO<W1M86-H:6YE+B!<"DEF('1H97)E(&ES M(&$@<V]U<F-E(&9I;&4@9F]R($YE6%0L(&-O=6QD('EO=2!P;&5A<V4@;&5T M(&UE(&MN;W<@=VAE<F4@:70@:7,_7`I4:&%N:W,@:6X@861V86YC92Y<"EP* M+2U<"@I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q,C!<='@R,C0P7'1X,S,V,%QT>#0T.#!<='@U-C`P M7'1X-C<R,%QT>#<X-#!<='@X.38P7'1X,3`P.#!<='@Q,3(P,%QF,5QF<S(V M7&9C,%QC9C`@1G5J:6UA<V$@2V]H;F\L($U$+@I<9G,R."`@"EQF,"`@(%NR MS\SNQJ/`M5T@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@7`H* M7&8Q7&9S,C8@1&5P="X@;V8@0V%R9&EO;&]G>2P@2WEO=&\@56YI=BX@2&]S M<&ET86P*7&8P7&9S,C@@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@(%P* M"EQF,5QF<S(V($UA:6P@("`@.B`*7&9S,C0@-S`S($YE=RU486MA;F\M4F]Y M86PM2&=T<RP@-2!486YA:V$M3VMU8F\M0VAO+`I<9G,R,B`@"EQF<S(T(%-A M:WEO+4MU+"!+>6]T;R!#:71Y+"`V,#8L($IA<&%N+@I<9C!<9G,R."!<"@I< M9C%<9G,R-B!%;6%I;"`Z(&MO:&YO0&EC<RYK=6QA+FMY;W1O+74N86,N:G`@ M*$YE6%0@36%I;"!/2R$I7`I6;VEC92`Z("LX,2TW-2TW,#(M-S(P,UP*1F%X :("`@(#H@*S@Q+3<U+3<P,BTV,C$Y7`H*?0HX `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jamie@vax.ftp.com (Jamie O'Keefe) Subject: test, please ignore Message-ID: <930225092519@robespierre.ftp.com> Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP Sender: root@vaxeline.ftp.com (vaxeline.ftp.com root account) Organization: FTP Software, Inc., North Andover, Massachusetts Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 09:25:19
From: dener@synapse.ee.ufl.edu (Dener Martins) Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: McClelland and Rumelhart Software compiled for NeXT? Date: 25 Feb 1993 07:57:11 GMT Organization: University of Florida College of Engineering Distribution: all, world Message-ID: <1mhu4nINNbj2@bigguy.eng.ufl.edu> Keywords: PDP, ANN, Connectionism Hi Chris, I have compiled, linked and run the PDP package successfully, under the NeXTSTEP 2.1. The tricks are the following ones: There is one line that has to be included (Berkeley std): CFLAGS = -bsd There is a library libpc.a that has to be built first, in advance, so "make" can work properly: LIBS = libpc.a -lm -lcurses -ltermlib You have to execute these first, I think: libpc.a: $(OBJECTS) ar rv libpc.a patterns.o main.o variable.o \ template.o general.o display.o io.o command.o ranlib libpc.a ("ar" is an archiver utility, from Unix). I don't remember its name now, but during the compilation process you'll have an error message about a certain variable. You'll have to change it to "static", and recompile the code. And that's it! Good Luck!!!! Dener L. F. Martins Computational Neuroengineering Laboratory Dept. of Electrical Engineering - U.F. Gainesville, FL <dener@synapse.ee.ufl.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: Fat-Binaries, cross-compiler, CONFIRMED? Message-ID: <1993Feb25.153841.15346@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <1993Feb24.133617.7076@linus.mitre.org> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 15:38:41 GMT In article <1993Feb24.133617.7076@linus.mitre.org> wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes: > Has there been any confirmation from NeXT, or any other reputable > source, that a cross-compiler will be part of NS 3.1? I'd love to > at least take crack at compiling software for NS 486. > > ( I know, I know: Even NeXT cannot always be considered a reputable > source ;-) ) > It will be. However, NS3.1 for m68k hardware will not be available before Q3. So, the first half year you can create m68k stuff on a 486, but not the other way around. > | "The world bores you when you're cool." - Calvin | And you're not allowed to wear a sombrero too! -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: lhb@isds.duke.edu (Leslie H. Boyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT software Keywords: where do I find it? Message-ID: <10514@news.duke.edu> Date: 25 Feb 93 04:24:26 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Hello: I cannot seem to locate a source for the latest version of the OS for the NeXT workstation. Any suggestions? FYI: I have contacted the 800 number for NeXT and was given the name of our local representative. Calls to this number are not returned. As usual, thanks in advance for all suggestions.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: datec@gagme.chi.il.us (Charles Robinson) Subject: Re: DSP Message-ID: <1993Feb25.021925.11484@serveme.chi.il.us> Sender: usenet@serveme.chi.il.us Organization: GAGME - Public Access UNIX of Chicago, Illinois, USA, Earth References: <1993Feb19.145718.593@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 02:19:25 GMT bertlmm@nugget.rmNUG.ORG.ogi.edu (bertlmm@nugget.rmNUG.ORG.ogi.edu) wrote: : Does anyone out there know why SJ thinks the DSP is such a mistake? : It's essential for an application I'm developing. : RJB, MD-PhD According to what I've heard, for many purposes (modems etc.) by the time you got the "special purpose support" hardware attached to the DSP you had spent more than you would have buying the complete product commercially. Also (and I am not an expert but have just heard that) the communication cost (bottleneck) in getting from the CPU to and from the DSP was such that "an infinitely fast" DSP would not be much faster than doing the computation "internally". Obviously, depending on the particular job, either statement could be locally wrong. For example an NP Complete problem (like the traveling salesman) that could be programmed to operate totally within the confines of an infinitely fast DSP would obviously be faster than the same job on a 25 MZ 68040 :-). But in general commercial apps...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth) Subject: Brad Cox talk, 2/26 Message-ID: <C30HqE.8IJ@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 15:59:01 GMT TELCO SYSTEMS, 63 Nahatan Street, Norwood, MA 02062, is hosting a talk by BRAD COX on Friday, February 26, tentatively scheduled to begin at 6:30 p.m. If you would like to attend, please respond via a telephone call to Bev (617-551-0300 x2315), Tim Dion (x2438), or e-mail to peterh@telco.com, stating your name and company affiliation. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Taming the Electronic Frontier Robust Economics for Information Age Goods Brad J. Cox, Ph.D. This presentation examines major revolutions of the past in order to extrapolate beyond the paradigms of today's telecomputing establishments to anticipate how the information revolution may unfold in the future. How can individuals and organizations adapt to an increasingly chaotic, ever shrinking, faster changing world? How will we make money as the economy shifts from the tangible goods of the manufacturing age to the intangible goods of the information age? What does it mean to "buy" or "sell" intangible electronic or intellectual property? What does it mean to "own" goods that can be replicated in nanoseconds and transported at literally the speed of light? Does it make sense to own something that can't be counted, or seen, or tasted, or weighed, and that can be replicated and transported so readily? If not, how else might we incentivize people to supply information age goods that are timely and relevant to our needs? How can organizations learn to respond effectively to the accelerating pace of change in an increasingly global, knowledge-intensive economy? The telecomputing industry evolved in a uniquely puzzling manner. We've deployed a remarkably robust infrastructure capable of moving goods around the globe at literally the speed of light. But we have never created a robust market mechanism to encourage the production of goods for the infrastructure to carry. Our users have started asking fundamental questions indeed: "Why should I buy a computer? I want to buy water, but you're selling plumbing. Why should I invest in telecomputing infrastructure when there are no goods for the infrastructure to carry?" Executives are asking, "Why is my organization's thirst for timely, relevant information even greater now that we've invested in information age infrastructures? Telecomputing seems to reduce white-collar productivity by providing noise at the expense of relevant signal." Such questions pose challenges even larger than in the major intellectual revolutions of history. Such basic concepts as property rights, rights that could be taken for granted for the hard-to-copy tangible goods of the industrial revolution, must be specifically invented, considered, debated, adopted, deployed and enforced for the intangible goods of the electronic frontier. What does it mean to "own" software, indeed? Possible answers may already exist within other domains of human experience. The music industry found itself in a similar predicament a century ago as they came to terms with radio and TV broadcasting. An extension of the pay-per-use system that they ultimately adopted might allow software to be distributed for free in return for usage-based revenue collection. An industry-wide consortium of Japanese computer manufacturers is already exploring such a solution under the direction of a now-retired director of MITI. He calls the approach superdistribution by analogy with superconductivity, because it allows information to flow freely, without resistance from copy protection and piracy. Biography Dr. Cox is the author of the book, Object-oriented Programming, An Evolutionary Approach, and the originator of the Objective C[TM] System-building Environment and many of its Software IC[TM] libraries. He's now writing a second book, "What, if anything, is an Object?", under the auspices of his consulting company, Information Age Consulting. The objective of his work is bringing about a software industrial revolution in which software is produced, not by fabricating everything from first principles, but by assembling interchangeable (reusable) software components which are in turn supplied by lower-level echelons of producers. Prior to co-founding The Stepstone Corporation, he worked for Schlumberger-Doll Research labs where he applied artificial intelligence, object-oriented, Unix and workstation technologies to practical problems in the oil field services business. Before that he worked in the Programming Technology Center at ITT, where he applied Unix and object-oriented technologies in support of an extremely large, highly distributed telephone exchange, System 1240. He recently joined the faculty of the Program for Social and Organizational Learning at George Mason University in Virginia. Dr. Cox received his Ph.D. from the University of Chicago for theoretical and experimental work in neurophysiology in an area that has since become known as neural networks. His post-graduate experimental studies were at the National Institutes of Health and at the Woods Hole Marine Biological Laboratories. Information Age Consulting 6602 Pelham Terrace Centreville, VA 22020 703 968 8229 voice 703 968 8798 fax bradcox@gmu.edu Program on Social and Organizational Learning George Mason University Fairfax, VA 22030 703 993 1142 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Directions to Telco: Take Route 128 to the Norwood area. Exit onto Rt. 1 South. Go approximately 3-5 miles. When Syms Clothing is on the left, bear right onto a rotary. Take the first right off the rotary. Go approximately 20 yards. Telco is on the right. Please check in at the front desk. -- Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc. Member BCS-NeXT, LPF gsk@marble.com, (617) 891-5555 Standard Disclaimers
From: hac@nexus.inesc.pt (Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How can I ... Message-ID: <HAC.93Feb24195350@nexus.inesc.pt> Date: 24 Feb 93 19:53:50 GMT Sender: usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System) Distribution: comp Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL Hi NeXT'ers Does any of you know how can I... 1) ... switch windows (terminal or not) without click on mouse ? (like autoswitch on twm on X11) 2) ... startup with a preconfigured windows layout at login time ? (like .xinitrc file on X11) 3) ... cut and paste only with single keystroke on mouse ? (like X11 himself) tks in adv, PS. dont answer with "Use X11". I already know that. I'm searching the other one :-) -- Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro @ INESC [Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores] CCAE [Centro de Comunicacoes em Ambientes Empresariais] Avenida Duque d'Avila 23, 1000 Lisboa, -PORTUGAL. Phone.: +351 1 3100070 Fax.: +351 1 3100008 e-mail: hac@inesc.pt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cozza@phage.cshl.org (Steven Cozza) Subject: Turbo Upgrade for Colorstation Message-ID: <C30s0C.DGr@phage.cshl.org> Keywords: Turbo, upgrade Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 19:40:59 GMT Does anybody know around how much and upgrade from a 25MHz Colorstation to a Turbo will cost, and if the memory can be carried over? Will the upgrades still be offered in the future, will there be a better upgrade? Are there any rumors about the cost of the Turbo upgrade going up or down in the future? I am considering getting the upgrade what with the recent news, but am not sure if it will be worth doing. I am concerned that my money may be better spent on a totally new system, unless the cost of the upgrade is reasonably inexpensive. Thanks for your help. Steve -- ## Steven Cozza | Internet: cozza@cshl.org ## ## Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory | Phone: (516) 367-8864 ## ## Box 100, 1 Bungtown Road | FAX: (516) 367-8461 ## ## Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724-2213 | ##
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Doug_Smith@Novell.COM (J. Douglas Smith) Subject: NeXT Modem Cable Message-ID: <C30uG7.FsL@Novell.COM> Sender: usenet@Novell.COM (Usenet News) Organization: Novell, Inc. Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 20:33:43 GMT Can anyone tell me the part number for ordering a modem cable for my cube? I want to attach a standard Hayes Smartmodem to it. If the part number isn't available, I could alwas make one, given the specs. Thanks! -- Doug Smith Internet: jdsmith@novell.com Novell, INC. Phone: (801) 429-7324 UNIX Desktop Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: edmtl@taxus.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: AcChen BUG(s) ?!? Message-ID: <1993Feb25.200456.4635@alf.uib.no> Sender: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 20:04:56 GMT Two important ;C) AcChen questions: One: Are there any levels above 13? The program simply reports "Game Over" after completing level 13. Two: It dies. Often. It didn't before (before what, I don't know, just 'before' ;-) How? I start the program, click on 'click here to start', and get the first level on the screen. I click on one tile, and as soon as I click on a legal match, the program and animation hangs, the disk thrashes like mad, and after a while the program dies and disappears. I know next to nothing about programming, but tried to run it under gdb just for fun, and got the following, which matches what I got in the Console... Anyone tell me what it means? I imagine it is trying to send some info to DPS to show on the display, and something is fouled up along the way, but that's just a guess. How to fix it is beyond me. GDB: [20:44] sushi% gdb /clients/mnt/Games/AcChen.app/AcChen Reading symbol data from /clients/mnt/Games/AcChen.app/AcChen... (no debugging symbols found)...done. Reading symbol data from /usr/shlib/libNeXT_s.C.shlib...done. Reading symbol data from /usr/shlib/libsys_s.B.shlib...done. (gdb) run Starting program: /clients/mnt/Games/AcChen.app/AcChen DPS client library error: Error while writing to connection, DPSContext 70224, data -102 Exiting due to Window Server death Program exited with code 0377. (gdb) q [20:47] sushi% Console: HEY - YOU CHEATED! Feb 25 20:41:08 sushi AcChen[514]: DPS client library error: Error while writing to connection, DPSContext 70224, data -102 Feb 25 20:41:09 sushi AcChen[514]: Exiting due to Window Server death Note that the Window Server DOES NOT die, despite AcChen reporting that it does. Logging out and restarting the Window Server fixes the problem temporarily, after a day or so it begins acting up again. I know I shouldn't be posting such trivial stuff to a so serious ;-) newsgroup, but I figure a bug is a bug, and may affect more than just this one game... -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
From: wildi@urz.unibas.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IdxTeX on NeXT, making an index in LaTeX Message-ID: <1993Feb25.212910.42722@urz.unibas.ch> Date: 25 Feb 93 21:29:10 MET Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland Hallo, I tried to compile and link R L Aurbach's index generating program IdxTeX on my NeXTstation running NeXTStep 3.0. After I added the function strdup, which is not available, the IdxTeX runs quietly, but if I have two identical index references ( e.g. \index{foo} on page x and on x+20), then the IdxTeX stops the execution, either with 'segmentation fault' or 'bus error'. I could trace the error right into malloc, which is called from strdup. The arguments given to malloc are correct ( looked at them with gdb). Does anybody know a remedy besides that I could use MakeIndex ? Thank you, Markus Wildi wildi@urz.unibas.ch Markus Wildi Physikalisches Institut Klingelberstr. 82 CH 4056 Basel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure) Subject: CD's galore: Who to choose? Message-ID: <asd.730667405@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 19:10:05 GMT There is one thing I always hated about anonymous ftp servers: there is always about 50 different archives for the same type of stuff, all with slightly different formats and contents. Now we get to do that with NeXT CD-ROM archives. As I understand it there are currently 4 different CD-ROM sources for NeXT stuff: Electronic AppWrapper Jana Publishing monoLib Walnut Creek's Nova How the hell are we supposed to choose? Which is better? Which is more complete? Which is more up to date? I like what I hear about monoLib because it has *so* much stuff. But both Jana Publ and EAW's come out regularly with new programs and information. And now Walnut Creek is making a CD for NeXT. It's enough to boggle the mind. Can anybody out there offer a comprehensive review of all these products? Hell, I'll even do it if all of the above would send me one sampler disk. -dsm
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ambiguity + Song Contest Message-ID: <35.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 07:59:37 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Not my opinion, but probably strikes a chord with some: "Take This, Jobs, and Shove It" (Only a title I know, but I can only remember titles and the instrumental break) --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Problems w/ external HD Message-ID: <6886@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 25 Feb 93 21:04:04 GMT References: <1mbeqf$qc1@spool.mu.edu> Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Next Computer, Inc. In article <1mbeqf$qc1@spool.mu.edu> nick@carie.mcs.mu.edu writes: >I am having a very wierd and annoying problem with my external hard drive >on an 040 cube. It seems that no matter what we do, a user (non-root) >always owns the directories. If we try a chown -R root.wheel . >at the root directory of the external hard drive, after it is done, the >directories are *STILL* owned by the smae user as before. Note: this >user is NOT id 0. He is not in the group wheel. No matter what we try, >he still owns the hard drive. To make things worse, he doesn't know how >he did this. He is a *very* novice user. Someone help me please, because >I can't figure this one out. Thanks. Sounds like the hard disk is not being mounted at boot time but is being mounted for the user, just like a floppy or other removable device. One thing I can think of is to try getting the disk mounted when the machine boots by creating the appropriate fstab entry. There's also a bug in the sysadmin documentation on to exactly do this, but you basically need a line that looks like /dev/sd1a /mountpoint 4.3 rw,noquota 0 2 The documentation mentions a ",noauto"; that's the bug; you don't need it. Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.protocols.appletalk From: draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) Subject: Re: CAP setup: printing from Mac on network to NextPrinter Message-ID: <1993Feb25.221913.16666@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Residential Computing, Stanford University References: <C2tnD5.7DL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 22:19:13 GMT In comp.protocols.appletalk r-cotton@uiuc.edu writes: >Is there anyone out there who has successfully setup CAP 6.0's lwsrv on a NeXT >(running 3.0) so they can print from Macs on the net to the NeXTPrinter? I've >successfully compiled CAP 6.0 patch level 128 and things seem to work in >general (aufs, getzones, atlook, etc.) but I've been unable to set up lwsrv for >reliable printing (it works sometimes) from a Mac on the net to the >NeXTPrinter. >Can anyone at least verify that this is possible? Yes, it is in fact possible. In fact, we are running a printing solution here at Stanford that relies on this, with almost 30 clusters with a NeXT and NeXT printer in each one providing printing service to 5-10 macs. If you'd like more information about how we've configured things, please let me know by email. Rollie -- Matt Rollefson ("Rollie") draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu Residential Computing, Stanford University NeXTmail accepted
From: vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu (Vince Netz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: irc source for NeXT Message-ID: <C311tw.3uB@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: 25 Feb 93 23:13:03 GMT Article-I.D.: news2.C311tw.3uB References: <1993Feb25.114031.1900@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota In article <1993Feb25.114031.1900@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> kohno@ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Fujimasa Kohno) writes: Hi, there. I found irc compiled file at sonata.cc.purdue.edu:pub/next/submissions. This is an old version of the client. The brand new version of the IRC Client (IrcII version 2.2.1) is now available via anonymous ftp from cs.bu.edu, in directoy /pub/irc/clients. If you follow the directions in the README, Makefile and config.h files, make the simple modifications suggested for your machine, then at the shell prompt type "make install", you'll have a complete working copy of IRC which functions quite nicely on the NeXT. This is the first client that I've gotten to compile painlessly on my box, with no hassle at all, so I'd skip purdue and get your own copy. Don't forget to get the IrcII help files too. -- ____ Vince Netz vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu \ / Senior Consultant Office: +1 612-626-3136 \/ University of Minnesota Hospital FAX: +1 612-626-3524
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert Kieffer) Subject: <Request> "Real" CMYK TIFF image anyone? Message-ID: <2B8D47BC.505B@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 22:27:07 GMT Hi folks, I don't suppose some kind soul could refer me to, or NeXT-mail me, a _real_ CMYK TIFF. Preferably something ~300-500 pixels on a side. I'm writing some conversion software that I'd like to test out so this TIFF should come from a CMY source... i.e. one that wasn't just converted from an RGB image (and as a result, doesn't really use the K component.) Thanks, Robert Kieffer
From: goldly@u.washington.edu (Lloyd P. Goldwasser) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.0 and DOS disks Date: 26 Feb 1993 00:15:53 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1mjnfpINN9e7@shelley.u.washington.edu> After I upgraded to 3.0, my '040 Cube stopped dealing with DOS disks. When I put them in the drive (a PLI Superfloppy), it does nothing with them: no icon, no mounting, no way to eject them (logging off and rebooting don't even do the trick). Is there something somewhere that I can do to convince the machine that DOS disks are not something to eat? Thanks, Lloyd Goldwasser goldly@u.washington.edu
From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: nn Keywords: News Reader Message-ID: <1993Feb26.021801.6576@cesar.uucp> Date: 26 Feb 93 02:18:01 GMT Sender: pat@cesar.uucp Could someone tell me where I can get a copy of nn (News Reader) for the NeXT? Thanks
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 23:49:08 EST From: <TAMIL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93056.234908TAMIL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CD's galore: Who to choose? References: <asd.730667405@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Hi, E-Mail me your address and Phone number, I will put a free disk on mail for you. Jay Jana Publishing
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 23:28:12 CST From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93056.232812U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Any info on QuickBase from SofDesign?? Hello - I am looking for any info about SofDesign's QuickBase - a(n) SQL database for the NeXT. Top of the list would be SofDesign's info (so that I could just get in touch with them), but any other information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Please reply to nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu if you can. Tom Nawara
From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Phone Numbers-Here they are Message-ID: <31696@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 25 Feb 93 21:03:42 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD This is by way of a notice of the phone numbers at NeXT as of Feb 25 - order desk 1-800-677-6398 main number 1-415-424-8500 I am only posting these because I've tried them and they really do answer the phones.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com (alexander dahl) Subject: For Sale: NeXSTEP Programming, Step One: OO Applications Message-ID: <1993Feb26.054104.3563@mksol.dseg.ti.com> Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 05:41:04 GMT Well since I sold my NeXT just after receiving this book I no longer have hardware to program. Please make offers to get your hands on the best programming cook book out there. -- Alex Dahl dahla@lobby.ti.com or dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com Remember: My expressions are unknown to my employer nor do they care.
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: news.software.b,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cnews posting of articles - problem Message-ID: <26AX02bE38HR01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 25 Feb 93 23:49:28 GMT References: <1993Feb24.142128.1377@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> <1993Feb25.173029.12817@fwi.uva.nl> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: usa Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Sorry if this in in the FAQ. If it is please point me in the right direction. I have a UUCP mail/newsfeed and can recieve mail fine. I got the Cnews package by FTP and built the sources and installed them and everything works fine. All except posting. If I post an article it shows up in the local groups but doesn't get batched. I know there are some files I need to modify to have it either batch or send via email. Email would be the nicest solution for posting from the machine I have at home but batching will do. Either way I need the article posted at more than just my local site. My machine is a NeXTcube with all the UUCP working and email from there works flawlessly. Thanks, Kent -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares? */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: Concurrence v1.1 Message-ID: <1993Feb25.134124.7867@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Feb23.052855.6626@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 13:41:24 GMT In article <1993Feb23.052855.6626@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: > Hi, > > Has anyone seen Concurrence v1.1 yet? What's new and fixed with > it? Free upgrade for v1.0 owner? > > Gary > > -- > +----------------+ > | Gary I. Chang | > +----------------+ > Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu We got 1.1 months ago. It was a free upgrade as we had bought 1.0 after 1.1 shiped. It contains bug fixes as far as I know. We did not have 1.0 long enough to be sure. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: stark@superc.che.udel.edu (Scott M. Stark) Subject: Archie update, now v2.04a Message-ID: <1993Feb26.090100.23568@udel.edu> Keywords: Archie Sender: usenet@udel.edu (USENET News Service) Organization: University of Delaware Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 09:01:00 GMT v2.04a Fri Feb 26 03:21:02 EST 1993 This version fixes a crash that would occur if you double clicked on a hostname in column zero of the query browser. It also solves the FTP menu item enabling problem. Here is the Version=2.04a info: 1. Added check to Query openInWorkspace: to prevent a crash when one double clicked on hostname in column zero. 2. Updated ArchieSession to make sure the file browser was the first responder in the displayQuery: method. This ensures the the FTP menu items get validated correctly by the browser's delegate Query. Scott Stark University of Delaware Department of Chemical Engineering 123 Colburn Lab Newark, DE 19716-3119 (302) 831-6713
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Good Drawing software that handles EPS Imports well ?? Date: 26 Feb 1993 09:16:26 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mkn5a$219@agate.berkeley.edu> Keywords: Virtuoso, AppsoftDraw, TopDraw, Illustrator, Import-by-reference I am looking for a good drawing software that can handle EPS files better -- better than 3-year old TopDraw? I am now using TopDraw, but this is old software. We have the latest AppsoftDraw 1.03, but it is in many ways worse than TopDraw, particularly because it can totally mess up the bounding box of imported EPS files. So, we got Virtuoso, but it doesn't seem to handle EPS and TIFF file imports very well. Could Adobe Illustrator users tell me if Illustrator can do what I want it to do? How about Create or Diagram2? Specifically, I want: [1] Importing EPS files "by-reference". So I can update the imported graphic without editing the drawing document. I don't want to use Object Links for my drawing purpose. [2] If "import-by-reference" is not supported, then the ability to replace an EPS image with a new one by importing or pasting while keeping the image transformations intact. I suppose Virtuoso does not support EPS file import "by reference". Given that, when I update the EPS file, I have no easy way of replacing the previously imported one in Virtuoso document with the updated EPS file without going through very tedius transformations all over again. [3] Inspector panel that shows the original pathname to imported EPS or TIFF file (or %%Title: line of EPS file at the minimum). I import many similar looking EPS graphics, and it's impossible to keep track of which one came from which file after a while. It would be nice if the inspector can show the final values of rotation, scaling, and skewing to duplicate these transformations on other imports. [4] Ability to change the bounding box (crop box) of imported EPS or TIFF. [5] Transfer function modification for EPS and TIFF -- to change gamma and other parameters, without modifiying the original EPS or TIFF files. This is convenient for changing overall brightness, contrast of imported images. This is not that critical compared with [1-4], but would still be nice. Sad thing is that, 3-year old TopDraw has most of these features. It's more sad that I have to be using TopDraw until someone can tell me there is a better program with the above features. Virtuoso is a nice and robust program, I tell you, but its EPS/TIFF handling capability is pretty lame. So, please tell me. What should I be using? -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: gibraltar!wiley (Wiley S. Hodges) Subject: Diagram! 2 Demo MOVED on cs.orst.edu Message-ID: <1993Feb25.234418.263@lighthouse.com> Keywords: demo, diagram, lighthouse, cool, pinto_beans Sender: wiley@lighthouse.com Organization: Lighthouse Design, Ltd. Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 23:44:18 GMT A couple of days ago, I posted saying that the Diagram! 2 demo was avaialable at cs.orst.edu in the oub/next/submissions directory. The Diagram2Demo has been moved from the submissions directory. The correct location on cs.orst.edu is: pub/next/demos/graphics and the files are: Diagram2.README Diagram2Demo.pkg.tar Diagram2Samples.pkg.tar My apologies for any confusion this may have caused. Thank you for your support. --Wiley -- Wiley Hodges wiley@lighthouse.com Lighthouse Design, Ltd. NeXTMail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: CD Audio Autoplay. Second Try Message-ID: <1993Feb26.154135.9973@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: UNC School of Law, CC for NeXT Computer, Inc. Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 15:41:35 GMT I have a '040 cube/3.0/NeXTCDRom player. I can play CDAudio discs by starting manually the CDPlayer app, then inserting a disc. If I place a CDAudio disc in the player without starting that app, the workspace simply rejects it. I know that there is some way (something about proper SCSI addresses maybe?) to set the system up so that manual launching of CDPlayer.app is not necessary. I asked this question last week, and am asking it again because the responses I got broke down as follows: 12! responses : "Please, I'm trying to figure this out also. Let me know! 1 response: Try setting "public window server in preferences" (didn't work). If anyone can help, let me know. (and I'll forward the answer to the 12 people who asked me to). Thanks again, Matthew -- matt stecker | This is my NeXT Computer NeXT Campus Consultant, | There are many like it, UNC School of Law | but this one is mine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc From: emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy) Subject: (?) how to stop all but one banner page Message-ID: <1993Feb26.150109.25057@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 15:01:09 GMT Howdy (yep, my third attempt) Does anyone anywhere have any idea on how to stop the printing of multiple banner pages when multiple copies of a document is printed. I am in a university setting where multiple copies are printed often, and the ectra expense of the multiple banner pages is neither welcome nor needed. Thus far, the answers I have received tell me only things I have learned are that (1) NeXT uses the UNIX lpr command with the appropriate switches to do multiple copies (2) Alot of people want to know how to do the very same thing! One question I have is since PostScript code is generated in order to print the file on the NeXTprinter why not use the PostScript construct '/#copies'? Assuming the reqpresentatives from NeXT look at this list from time to time, I am hoping one of them will get in touch with me to either help me work out a patch for this or inform me of an existing patch for this. Also, any comment on the above problem will be appreciated. Ed Murphy P.S. Our setup: Network of several dozen NeXT machines, 2 NeXT printers, and NeXTstep 2.0 (passe', I know, but the powers that be cannot upgrade quite yet).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: some suggestions (not about NeXT future 8^) Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Feb24.150625.15450@cc.umontreal.ca> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 09:48:28 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Feb26.094828.6647@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Feb24.150625.15450@cc.umontreal.ca> lutzray@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lutz Raymond) writes: >Enhancement suggestions for NeXTStep : > >Et de deux: > > create a LIFO stack for a multiple objects pasteboard. > Yes, I was thinking of writing a mini-app that wakes up every second, reads the ascii pasteboard, and if it's changed, adds the first line to a list window. Clicking on any line in the list window would then write that complete entry back to the pastebaord. It's just the interface that's a bit messy, having to keep that list window hanging around the screen and then switching current apps to get at it. > >I want them for next Christmas, (I'll be good). > And I'd like the flexibility in NeXTStep for my pasteboard app to capture, say, Alt-right-mouse-click and pop up my list window just like as happens with the main menu. (I can't promise to be good, but I'll be careful ;-) Dave Griffiths
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Threaded NewsGrazer ?? Date: 26 Feb 1993 12:29:12 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mlnhoINNjus@tamsun.tamu.edu> Just wondering....I like NewsGrazer, but I don't use it because I like trn better simply due to its threading capability. For those of you who don't know, trn gives you a list of threads rather than a list of posts, so that most of the Re.: stuff gets grouped into one entry in the thread list, reducing the amount of stuff you have to sift through. Does the latest version of NewsGrazer support threading? If so, what is the version number and where can I get it? If not, is anybody working on this? Threading is pretty simple since all you do is look at the References: field (or whatever it's called). I did it once for KMS so it seems like it would be pretty simple to do for NewsGrazer. -- -- Andrew Duchowski | -- -- Texas A&M University | This page intentionally blank -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail) | -- -- andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail) | --
From: perkins@sidney.cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NTP for RFC 1119 Date: 26 Feb 1993 19:29:09 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mlr25$nfi@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Keywords: Network Time Protocol I have been unsuccessful at getting NTP to work in our environment. The NeXT NTP system uses RFC 1059. Running 'ntp -F' grabs the time from a server (that has the correct time according to 'date'), but the time returned is about 3.5 hours off. The servers are SUN systems running xntpd (supports RFC 1119). These servers are supposed to be backwards compatible with RFC 1059. Does anybody have a version for NeXT that supports RFV 1119? If not, does anybody have comments on why it might not return the proper time? -- ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Message-ID: <1993Feb26.192304.110622@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 26 Feb 93 19:23:04 GMT References: <CEDMAN.93Feb24083508@capitalist.princeton.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <CEDMAN.93Feb24083508@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article <1993Feb24.124447.11775@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes: > I don't know how many customers ever got a copy of the > package that included workspace and mail encryption. I > would think the number closely approximates 1. > > So Steve Jobs can spend the entire day sending encrypted messages to > himself ? He must be having fun. :-) > > Carl Edman Heh, mabey we can get our new president Bill to make the NSA lift that stupid ban on encryption software exportation. Now where did I leave Bill's #... -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: mike@doberman.com (Mike Panzitta) Subject: Re: Fat-Binaries, cross-compiler, CONFIRMED? Message-ID: <1993Feb26.210219.12935@doberman.com> Organization: Doberman Systems References: <1993Feb24.133617.7076@linus.mitre.org> <1993Feb25.145854.20752@linus.mitre.org> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 21:02:19 GMT Will NeXT make a cross-compiler available to run on 040 machines? Would they consider makeing it available via ftp from next.com, or will we have to wait until 3.1 is released? -Mike -- Mike Panzitta Doberman Systems mike@doberman.com (NeXT Mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CheckSum Demo, e-mail update Message-ID: <1993Feb26.095625.4295@nic.csu.net> From: glocker@futon.SFSU.EDU (Andreas R. Glocker) Date: 26 Feb 93 09:56:23 PST Sender: glocker@sirius.com Followup-To: glocker@sirius.com Distribution: world Organization: Sirius Solutions Keywords: CheckSum, Accounting, e-mail Summary: accounting, financial management system E-MAIL correction and exact name of program Sirius solutions e-mail was down until Feb 24. 93 if anyone tried e-mailing me please try again. e-mail: checksum@sirius.com TM CheckSum Alpha Demo POSTED ON INTERNET FOR REVIEW AND TESTING POSTED ON: sonata.cc.purdue.edu Directory: /pub/next/submissions Program: CheckSumDemo.tar.Z CheckSum is a financial management system designed and marketed by Sirius Solutions. CheckSum is a NeXTStep program for the single user or small business owner who has basic accounting needs. CheckSum tracks expenses, income, property and cash, and provides Profit and Loss Statements and Balance Sheets. And, of course, CheckSum balances your checkbook and prints checks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kris@magnusson.UUCP (Kristopher Magnusson) Subject: SLaNG Programming SIG meeting on Sat 27 Feb 1993 Message-ID: <1993Feb25.225810.1848@magnusson.uucp> Sender: km@magnusson.uucp Organization: Alpine Computing/MicroAge Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 22:58:10 GMT Hi there. Sorry this got out so late; I just got my news feed up and going again. The Salt Lake area NeXT Group begins a new chapter with the new SLaNG Programming SIG, whose first official meeting is at 11 a.m., Saturday 27 Feb 1993, at Salt Lake Community College, 4600 Redwood Road. The object of the SIG, as it were, is to familiarize members to the extensive NeXTSTEP development tools and class libraries, to teach how they should be used in writing NeXTSTEP applications, and to teach programmers from our parent organization, the Utah Computer Society, about the advantages of NeXTSTEP as a development environment. Members are expected to have some knowledge of a programming language and to bring a copy of Garfinckel and Mahoney's NeXTSTEP Programming book as a text for the SIG. For more information about the SLaNG SIG meeting location, SLaNG's organization, or are just curious about NeXT in Salt Lake City, call 801/355-6351. SLaNG meets at Alpine Computing/MicroAge, a NeXT VAR, 6066 South State Street, Salt Lake City, Utah, every third Wednesday at 7 p.m. SLaNG members get all the advantages of Utah Computer Society membership, including and electronic mail address and access to Usenet news. Kris Magnusson Chair, SLaNG Kristopher Magnusson <kris@doberman.com> SLaNG (Salt Lake area NeXT Group) =>NeXTmail<= My opinions ought to be those of the known universe Capitalism is a dish best served cold. Not like coffee.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ctm@ardi.com Subject: Executor-DEMO5 in ftp.cs.unm.edu Message-ID: <C32nKA.KDK@cobra.cs.unm.edu> Sender: news@cobra.cs.unm.edu Organization: ARDI Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 20:00:14 GMT Dear bold adventurers, and erstwhile lemmings stalkers, There's a new version of Executor-DEMO in ftp.cs.unm.edu:/pub/ardi/DEMO. It's just like the previous demo, except it also allows you to play the demo version of Lemmings, and it's built after 1.2.2, instead of 1.2.1. I'll move it over to sonata.cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu once I've verified that it works with ADB keyboards, but in the meantime, if you're interested, you should be able to grab it from ftp.cs.unm.edu. Let me know if you have any problems. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) Subject: Seeking a CD-ROM changer for the NeXT Message-ID: <9302262148.AA23589@alychne-nc.canon.com> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 21:48:54 GMT I'm looking for recommendations for a CD-ROM drive capable of holding multiple CD's and connecting to the NeXT; basically, I'd like to mount four or five CD-ROMs in this drive and share them from a file server. Any recommendations or possibilities? Does the Pioneer MiniChanger work? Please email answers to me, at ssircar@canon.com, and I will summarize if there is interest. --- Subrata Sircar|ssircar@canon.com (NextMail ok)|Prophet & SPAMIT Charter Member Canon Information Systems and I do not share the same views on everything. "I'm just mad that I missed the sexual revolution." - me "Yes, but you dress much better as a result." - Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.software From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: HSD WINTER SALE--TWO DAYS LEFT!!! Message-ID: <1993Feb24.215551.16453@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 21:55:51 GMT HSD WINTER SALE UP TO 70% OFF RETAIL PRICES HARDWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Scan-X Professional(w/PowerScan)$1495- $1095- Scan-X Color(w/PowerScan) $1995- $1495- Scan-X DP20(w/Electrophile) $5995 $4495- Auto Document Feeder $449- $349- SOFTWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Simon Says $295- $99 OCR Servant $295- $99 HSD Spell(Includes 2 Languages) $195 $99 Additional Languages $99 $49 (11 Languages Available) SOFTWARE UPGRADES PRICE COMMENTS PowerScan (1.03) $99 For Scan-X Users Simon Says (1.1b) FREE To Registered Users OCR Servant (2.03) FREE To Registered Users HSD Spell (1.03) FREE To Registered Users Offer available until February 28. To place an order, contact HSD Sales at: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1350 Pear Ave., Suite C Mountain View, CA 94043 Ph: (800) 828-5522 or (415) 964-1400 Fax: (415) 964-1538 email: info@hsd.com Payment via credit card (Visa or Mastercard), or cashiers check. Educational, Government and Corporate P.O.'s subject to approval. - One Year Warranty on Hardware Products - 30 Day Money Back Guarantee on Hardware Products - No Quantity Limits Please contact me directly if you have any quesitons. Sincerely, -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wisdom@geom.umn.edu (Scott Wisdom) Subject: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? Message-ID: <C32xqz.Kx4@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: Geometry Center, University of Minnesota Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 23:39:53 GMT I just heard that NeXTs hardware is now gone. So much for it lasting until NextExpo!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) Subject: Dictionary Message-ID: <1993Feb26.235423.28013@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Sender: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us Organization: Trilithon Software Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 23:54:23 GMT The online Webster is sorely deficient in its vocabulary. Is anybody aware of a more extensive dictionary for NeXTSTEP? Thanks, ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) Subject: Re: NeXT speaks at BANG (poll results "seemed" impolite) Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 00:36:27 GMT Message-ID: <21475@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: news@deep.rsoft.bc.ca (Usenet) gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) writes: > I know people were bitter and "in shock" at the BANG meeting. I still think > they lied when they said they didn't feel any better. There's no way a > normal person could have listened to that Q&A session without "feeling > better". If that meeting was anything like the last VNUS meeting, in which the Western Canada NeXT reps gave a presentation and Q&A session on the transition, I agree. The presentation was very positive. They didn't have answers for all questions (ie. "Will NeXTstations be supported to at least Release 4.0?"), but the answers they did have were quite reassuring. > In ay case, if that vote was realistic and representative, I would say the > Next community at large is pretty pissed off and not in a placative mood. Hmmm, I didn't run a poll at the meeting, but I didn't see any angry faces, or hear any "pissed off" comments or questions among the 50 or so users attending the meeting. I thought people left the meeting in a pretty upbeat mood. :) -- Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bosborne@insect.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: NeXT speaks at BANG (poll results "seemed" impolite) Message-ID: <9302270125.AA19068@insect.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 01:25:18 GMT In reference to the recent BaNG meeting, > I know people were bitter and "in shock" at the BANG meeting. I still think > they lied when they said they didn't feel any better. There's no way a > normal person could have listened to that Q&A session without "feeling > better". some more deleted > In ay case, if that vote was realistic and representative, I would say the > Next community at large is pretty pissed off and not in a placative mood. My impressions were entirely different (and my personal feeling about the NeXT announcement is positive). At the beginning of the meeting a moderator asked (I paraphrase) "How many think NeXT is doing the right thing?". Roughly half the audience, about 100 people, raised their hands. Then he asked "How many people disagree with the decision?". It looked like less than 10 people raised their hands. It seemed as if many developers were positive about the decision in particular, although I think they're concerned about making ends meet in this interim period. ------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Osborne Plant Gene Expression Center bosborne@insect.berkeley.edu Albany CA USA ------------------------------------------------------------
From: jenkinsonjp@rcwusr.bp.com (John P. Jenkinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: House icon wanted to return Message-ID: <1993Feb26.191434.168@rcwusr> Date: 26 Feb 93 19:14:33 -0600 Organization: BP Exploration (Alaska) in the file viewer, what makes the difference between the house and a folder icon display? we're in a convoluted mixed vendor automount environment and someone had a house for their home once and wants it back. she thnaks you in advance.
From: perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <1mlr25$nfi@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Control: cancel <1mlr25$nfi@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 1993 01:20:54 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mmflm$i5i@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <1mlr25$nfi@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Originator: perkins@arctic.cps.msu.edu This message was cancelled from within rn. -- ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: HSD WINTER SALE--TWO DAYS LEFT!!! Message-ID: <1993Feb27.041845.7334@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Feb24.215551.16453@dakota.hsd.com> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 04:18:45 GMT In article <1993Feb24.215551.16453@dakota.hsd.com> dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) writes: > > > > HSD WINTER SALE Please get this commercial posting out of here, Dave. Either use the biz.next.newproducts group or create a much needed biz.next.market group. My group boycotts vendors that post commercial announcements to these groups. I suggest other folks with the same policy email such vendors to inform them. -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (Let's see if Kim thinks this is funny) Message-ID: <1993Feb27.042258.7437@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <C32xqz.Kx4@news.cis.umn.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 04:22:58 GMT In article <C32xqz.Kx4@news.cis.umn.edu> wisdom@geom.umn.edu (Scott Wisdom) writes: > I just heard that NeXTs hardware is now gone. > So much for it lasting until NextExpo!! That couldn't possibly be true, just ask Kim or any of the other doom-sayers that love to indulge themselves in empty gloating. Time for a tasty meal of your words, doom-sayers! -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) Subject: Open Protocols for NeXTstep Message-ID: <1993Feb27.035340.2502@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Sat, 27 Feb 93 03:53:40 GMT Information Letter #0 February 26, 1993. Hello, I have talked to several developers previously about the project we have embarked upon here at The Research Libraries Group. We are building a sophisticated workflow development environment for NeXTstep, undergirded by an object database (ala Lotus Notes). One of the components we would like to place in our system is a calendar/scheduler to fire off processes on certain dates, provide a user interface to track the progress of tasks, and to schedule activities. Rather than write our own scheduler, we have entered into a dialogue with the NeXTstep development community to define a standard calendaring protocol our application could count upon, one that several products could implement. Rather than writing or buying a calendar object and linking it into our application, we envision a distributed model, where our engine would pass messages to a remote, protocol-conforming calendar server. This approach would not only speed the development of our application; it would also reduce program size, free our customers to choose their favorite calendaring applications, allow engines and servers to be upgraded separately, and free us from creating interfaces to the outlying servers we depend on, since those will be provided by the independent vendors. This attempt to decouple the components of our workflow environment from each other, however, could also form part of a broader effort to establish several application-specific protocols to facilitate inter-application communication. While NeXTstep provides a rich set of underlying technologies for these interactions, without standards we will see the benefits of this fully object-oriented operating system rot in the vine. It is true that customers buy applications, not technologies. Yet the software which has emerged for NeXTstep over the past few years has followed the monolithic model of the DOS world to an alarming degree; while they are BUILT with objects, they are not SHIPPED as such. "Services" does not provide the level of interaction necessary. Few applications provide APIs for others to use, and these are often incompatible with each other. Please refer to the sad commercial story of the dozen Unixes to predict the future if this direction is left unchecked. NeXT itself has taken responsibility for defining general-purpose protocols, like NXDecoding and NXReference, but lacks the resources to establish others, like standard links to math engines, documents, spreadsheets, compression engines, programming tools, calendars, mail engines, etc. The exception is, of course, the vital DBKit. Other vendors are ahead in this regard. But in case you are getting complacent with the lead NeXTstep enjoys over Pink and Cairo, however, take a look at the work being done today with AppleScript/AppleEvents and Microsoft's OLE servers. While these environments are not fully object-oriented, those developer communities are beginning to form the necessary organizational infrastructures for the new age of computing. Unfortunately for Windows, though, its software shops are engaged in a rabid war over the establishment of APIs: VIM vs. MAPI, StacCompressionAPI vs. Microsoft's, IDAPI vs. ODBC, the list goes on an on. We can avoid this. I propose we form an organization to coordinate the formation of these open, standard protocols. The development of these application-level protocols can lead to tremendous growth within our object marketplace, a success which could spill over into the larger software arena when other object-oriented operating systems come on line; as Cairo and Pink grope for maturity, we will be ready with OO standards, thus giving present NeXTstep developers a marked lead in the next generation of the computer industry. I propose to name the organization OPN (pronounced 'open') as in Object Protocols for NeXTstep. NO-OP (NeXTstep Object Oriented Protocols) also comes to mind, but let's not be defeatist here. We need the input from as many vendors, developers, and customers as possible. If people clamor for it, I'll set up an alias so that we can communicate better and determine a direction for the group, if we decide to organize it. Of course, we will seek to coordinate OPN's activities with NeXT's, such that our protocols mesh with NeXTstep's future features. If NeXTstep is going to play major-league ball, we'll have to do this. -Marcos J. Polanco -Programmer/Analyst -The Research Libraries Group -shiva@vega.stanford.edu (NeXTmail) -415-691-2255 (voice) -415-964-0943 (fax) -1200 Villa Street, Mountain View, CA 94041-1100 (USMail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) Subject: Re: Open Protocols for NeXTstep Message-ID: <1993Feb27.035813.2727@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Sat, 27 Feb 93 03:58:13 GMT Please direct followups to c.s.n.advocacy. Thank you. -Marcos J. Polanco -shiva@vega.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: NeXT speaks at BANG (poll results "seemed" impolite) Message-ID: <tlm.730787840@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <21475@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 04:37:20 GMT In <21475@mindlink.bc.ca> Nick_Janow@mindlink.bc.ca (Nick Janow) writes: >gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) writes: >> I know people were bitter and "in shock" at the BANG meeting. I still think >> they lied when they said they didn't feel any better. There's no way a >> normal person could have listened to that Q&A session without "feeling >> better". >If that meeting was anything like the last VNUS meeting, in which the Western >Canada NeXT reps gave a presentation and Q&A session on the transition, I >agree. The presentation was very positive. They didn't have answers for all >questions (ie. "Will NeXTstations be supported to at least Release 4.0?"), >but the answers they did have were quite reassuring. >> In ay case, if that vote was realistic and representative, I would say the >> Next community at large is pretty pissed off and not in a placative mood. >Hmmm, I didn't run a poll at the meeting, but I didn't see any angry faces, >or hear any "pissed off" comments or questions among the 50 or so users >attending the meeting. I thought people left the meeting in a pretty upbeat >mood. :) Hmmm...this brings to mind a question which I've had for a long time, which is how well NeXT has done in Canada versus the US. During my time in Canada (a post-doc at McMaster) I got to know some of the NeXT of Canada people fairly well, and would have a hard time describing them in anything but superlatives. Really good people who know their business and are (sigh... were :( a testimonial to the company. When you look at hte net and listen to the scuttlebutt, you have to think NeXT did far better in Canada than the US on a "per population" basis. There's a NeXT at every DMV in Alberta, the police stations in York, etc. etc. BC is definitely a stronghold and it's too bad all of these people have been let go. Whether selling software or hardware NeXT could use them. TLM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: HSD WINTER SALE--TWO DAYS LEFT!!! Message-ID: <1993Feb27.065737.1549@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993Feb24.215551.16453@dakota.hsd.com> <1993Feb27.041845.7334@cs.yale.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 93 06:57:37 GMT In article <1993Feb27.041845.7334@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >Please get this commercial posting out of here, Dave. >[etc] Seems to me (we've gone around on this many times now) more people want the ads than don't want them. Seems to me they should be in csn.marketplace, at least. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: wkwong@columbia.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Syquest External Drive for sale. Message-ID: <1993Feb26.230255.4959@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Date: 26 Feb 93 23:02:55 GMT Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Distribution: usa Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering The deal I have got fallen through and I'm reposting...... I have an opened but never used SuQuest 44M external drive for sale. It is a external drive with case, two SCSI connectors, cooling fan and auto-universal power supply. Come with software for PC/MAC, but I never try it, though. I plug it in a mac and it just run fine when I test it. I paid $480 serveral months ago, and first $400 or best offer takes it. Let me know if you are interested. Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: some suggestions (not about NeXT future 8^) Message-ID: <C32tCB.AGz@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <1993Feb24.150625.15450@cc.umontreal.ca> <1993Feb26.094828.6647@prim> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 22:04:57 GMT >In article <1993Feb24.150625.15450@cc.umontreal.ca> lutzray@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lutz Raymond) writes: >>Enhancement suggestions for NeXTStep : >> >>Et de deux: >> >> create a LIFO stack for a multiple objects pasteboard. Well, the pasteboard is just a process that hangs around, I would imagine you could rewrite it with minimal difficulty, sans figuring out the RPC's. You'd probably want some sort of stack limit, and a way to flush it or else you end up with tons of crap on the pasteboard you forgot you had there, etc.. la la la, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Dictionary In-Reply-To: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us's message of Fri, 26 Feb 1993 23:54:23 GMT To: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Feb26220127@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Feb26.235423.28013@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 02:01:27 GMT In article <1993Feb26.235423.28013@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes: The online Webster is sorely deficient in its vocabulary. Is anybody aware of a more extensive dictionary for NeXTSTEP? Well, you can always install the Oxford English Dictionary (or at least a client, if your organization has a licensed server). The database is about a gigabyte large and should satisfy even the most demanding dictionary user. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (Let's see if Kim thinks this is funny) Message-ID: <1993Feb27.125006.9881@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park References: <C32xqz.Kx4@news.cis.umn.edu> <1993Feb27.042258.7437@cs.yale.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 12:50:06 GMT In article <1993Feb27.042258.7437@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <C32xqz.Kx4@news.cis.umn.edu> wisdom@geom.umn.edu (Scott >Wisdom) writes: >> I just heard that NeXTs hardware is now gone. >> So much for it lasting until NextExpo!! > >That couldn't possibly be true, just ask Kim or any of the >other doom-sayers that love to indulge themselves in empty >gloating. > >Time for a tasty meal of your words, doom-sayers! I;m rather amused, actually. I never saidthey wouldn't sell,but I'll tell you why they did: No one wants to pay Motorola's exorbidant fees for repair. -- "It's human nature to try and coerce others." (seen at the end of a post) "Why are people on the net always trying to proselytize others--computers, religion, morals?" (seen at the beginning of a post)
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CD's galore: Who to choose? Message-ID: <18706@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 27 Feb 93 17:02:43 GMT References: <asd.730667405@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM In article <asd.730667405@mace.cc.purdue.edu> asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure) writes: >Now we get to do that with NeXT CD-ROM archives. As I understand it >there are currently 4 different CD-ROM sources for NeXT stuff: >Electronic AppWrapper Have that. Pretty neat. The information content is so-so; it's mainly a fancy, fun-to-use ordering CD. The sounds are pretty cool (btw, anybody know if there's a musical CD with that stuff on it?), the graphics are pretty neat (hormones for swapfiles though), and there is a neat gdb trick in the first issue. Their premise of trying to make a more computer-oriented society is commendable (I mean, using the computers with more efficiency). I expect the information content will get better with time. There are still a few glitches, but it's definitely worth the money. >Jana Publishing Dunno. Can anyone post or Email me info on this? I know I saw it before, but didn't save it. >monoLib Have that too. It's a pretty nice collection of basically what's out on the Internet. It's organized in a reasonably intuitive fashion. The one problem with putting archive stuff on a CD ROM is once the archives get updated, the CD ROM ain't. Minor details. >Walnut Creek's Nova Dunno. Ditto re: information. >How the hell are we supposed to choose? Which is better? Which is >more complete? Which is more up to date? I like what I hear about >monoLib because it has *so* much stuff. But both Jana Publ and EAW's >come out regularly with new programs and information. And now Walnut >Creek is making a CD for NeXT. It's enough to boggle the mind. Well, buy 'em all! :-) All you can really do is look at the available indexes and determine if what you're looking for is in there. When you are browsing through 600+ megs per disc, it's hard to say which one has any decisive advantage in the general sense. >Can anybody out there offer a comprehensive review of all these >products? Hell, I'll even do it if all of the above would send me one >sampler disk. >-dsm ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ If someone had told me I would be Pope one day, I would have studied harder. -- Pope John Paul I
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Windows NT/ NeXTSTEP486 Comparison Announce Message-ID: <1993Feb27.040940.21022@latcs1.lat.oz.au> From: nicolek@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Nicole KAIYAN) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 04:09:40 GMT Sender: news@latcs1.lat.oz.au (news) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia Keywords: WindowsNT, NeXTSTEP486 Summary: comparison survey announce Windows NT / NextSTEP486 Comparison The Computer Survey Laboratory of the French Land Army will evaluate Microsoft Windows NT and NeXTSTEP/Intel once they receive either the pre- or commercial release of NeXTSTEP/Intel. They already have copies of Windows NT and tests will be conducted on an IBM/PC compatible of the following configuration, Intel 486 CPU 66 MHz EISQ. They will gladly post a report to the Internet community if they receive enough request from people. Please send email to Philippe Provost (Email: philip@tripoli.polytechnique.fr) with subject line: WindowsNT / NextSTEP486 comparison request
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (Let's see if Kim thinks this is funny) Date: 27 Feb 1993 17:56:23 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1moa07INN2tf@gap.caltech.edu> References: <C32xqz.Kx4@news.cis.umn.edu> <1993Feb27.042258.7437@cs.yale.edu> >> That couldn't possibly be true, just ask Kim or any of the Actually, I talked to a guy at NeXT in ordering (using their trusty 800 number), and what he said was quite interesting. When NeXT stopped the production line, they had 2500 machines unspoken for, which they figured was plenty to last until NeXTstep/Intel came out. They figured that after the announcement that hardware would be dropped, the ordering rate would also drop somewhat. However, the reverse happened. The orders went up significantly! When I talked to him, about a week ago, he said that most of those machines were now spoken for (though perhaps not actually delivered yet), and that rest were likely to go very soon--within weeks. Just a result of a bad prediction, sounds like. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Open Protocols for NeXTstep Message-ID: <1993Feb27.192200.127992@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 27 Feb 93 19:22:00 GMT References: <1993Feb27.035340.2502@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <1993Feb27.035340.2502@leland.Stanford.EDU> shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) writes: > > Information Letter #0 February 26, 1993. > > Hello, > > I have talked to several developers previously about the project we have > embarked upon here at The Research Libraries Group. We are building a > sophisticated workflow development environment for NeXTstep, undergirded > by an object database (ala Lotus Notes). One of the components we would > like to place in our system is a calendar/scheduler to fire off processes > on certain dates, provide a user interface to track the progress of tasks, > and to schedule activities. > > Rather than write our own scheduler, we have entered into a dialogue with > the NeXTstep development community to define a standard calendaring > protocol our application could count upon, one that several products could > implement. Rather than writing or buying a calendar object and linking it > into our application, we envision a distributed model, where our engine > would pass messages to a remote, protocol-conforming calendar server. This > approach would not only speed the development of our application; it would > also reduce program size, free our customers to choose their favorite > calendaring applications, allow engines and servers to be upgraded > separately, and free us from creating interfaces to the outlying servers > we depend on, since those will be provided by the independent vendors. > > This attempt to decouple the components of our workflow environment from > each other, however, could also form part of a broader effort to establish > several application-specific protocols to facilitate inter-application > communication. While NeXTstep provides a rich set of underlying > technologies for these interactions, without standards we will see the > benefits of this fully object-oriented operating system rot in the vine. > It is true that customers buy applications, not technologies. Yet the > software which has emerged for NeXTstep over the past few years has > followed the monolithic model of the DOS world to an alarming degree; > while they are BUILT with objects, they are not SHIPPED as such. > "Services" does not provide the level of interaction necessary. Few > applications provide APIs for others to use, and these are often > incompatible with each other. Please refer to the sad commercial story of > the dozen Unixes to predict the future if this direction is left > unchecked. NeXT itself has taken responsibility for defining > general-purpose protocols, like NXDecoding and NXReference, but lacks the > resources to establish others, like standard links to math engines, > documents, spreadsheets, compression engines, programming tools, > calendars, mail engines, etc. The exception is, of course, the vital > DBKit. Other vendors are ahead in this regard. > > But in case you are getting complacent with the lead NeXTstep enjoys over > Pink and Cairo, however, take a look at the work being done today with > AppleScript/AppleEvents and Microsoft's OLE servers. While these > environments are not fully object-oriented, those developer communities > are beginning to form the necessary organizational infrastructures for the > new age of computing. Unfortunately for Windows, though, its software > shops are engaged in a rabid war over the establishment of APIs: VIM vs. > MAPI, StacCompressionAPI vs. Microsoft's, IDAPI vs. ODBC, the list goes on > an on. We can avoid this. > > I propose we form an organization to coordinate the formation of these > open, standard protocols. The development of these application-level > protocols can lead to tremendous growth within our object marketplace, a > success which could spill over into the larger software arena when other > object-oriented operating systems come on line; as Cairo and Pink grope > for maturity, we will be ready with OO standards, thus giving present > NeXTstep developers a marked lead in the next generation of the computer > industry. > > I propose to name the organization OPN (pronounced 'open') as in Object > Protocols for NeXTstep. NO-OP (NeXTstep Object Oriented Protocols) also > comes to mind, but let's not be defeatist here. We need the input from as > many vendors, developers, and customers as possible. If people clamor for > it, I'll set up an alias so that we can communicate better and determine a > direction for the group, if we decide to organize it. Of course, we will > seek to coordinate OPN's activities with NeXT's, such that our protocols > mesh with NeXTstep's future features. > > If NeXTstep is going to play major-league ball, we'll have to do this. > > -Marcos J. Polanco > -Programmer/Analyst > -The Research Libraries Group > -shiva@vega.stanford.edu (NeXTmail) > -415-691-2255 (voice) > -415-964-0943 (fax) > -1200 Villa Street, Mountain View, CA 94041-1100 (USMail) Sounds like a great idea but shouldn't (or couldn't) that be done withen ANDI. Mabey committees could be formed for each item of interest but I think it would be best for NeXT developers if efforts in developing were concentrated in one organization. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: NeXT users in Ft. Collins, CO Message-ID: <1993Feb27.213049.899@selway.umt.edu> Organization: University of Montana Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 21:30:49 GMT Hello there. I may be moving to Ft. Collins in the near future and am just wondering if NcNUG or any other NeXT people are still in town. If so, I'd like to hear from you. Rich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu Subject: what paper and transparency to use? Message-ID: <C34sFM.9Fn@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 23:40:34 GMT I have a NeXT color printer and Im looking for advice on what paper and transparency to use? The samples sent with next seemed to work fine but we really dont know what kind it was. We have HP 51630Q transparencies and they kinda suck. We seem to get random lines in the output. This didn't happen with the NeXT supplies. Any ideas? -- _______________________________________________________________________________ I'll cross my heart and hope to die but the needle's already in my eye. _______________________________________________________________________________ Kevin Solie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: HSD WINTER SALE--TWO DAYS LEFT!!! Message-ID: <C35317.8IC@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Feb24.215551.16453@dakota.hsd.com> <1993Feb27.041845.7334@cs.yale.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 03:29:31 GMT In article <1993Feb27.041845.7334@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: [ ] > >Please get this commercial posting out of here, Dave. >Either use the biz.next.newproducts group or create a much >needed biz.next.market group. > >My group boycotts vendors that post commercial >announcements to these groups. I suggest other folks with >the same policy email such vendors to inform them. Geez...had he not posted this here we would never have known about it. It's not as though there's a flood of announcements in the moderated group, which we seem to get on an annual basis. It's nice to see the prices as well. Philip philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: HSD WINTER SALE--TWO DAYS LEFT!!! Message-ID: <1993Feb28.052332.17776@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Feb27.065737.1549@macc.wisc.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 05:23:32 GMT In article <1993Feb27.065737.1549@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > In article <1993Feb27.041845.7334@cs.yale.edu> > nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > > >Please get this commercial posting out of here, Dave. > >[etc] > > Seems to me (we've gone around on this many times now) more > people want the ads than don't want them. Seems to me they > should be in csn.marketplace, at least. I disagree with your assessment of the public opinion figures, but it's a moot point. This has indeed been argued before, and no one to my knowledge has been able to argue around the non-commercial clauses in the USENET usage guidelines posted in the news.* groups. The commercial groups (biz.*) were created for exactly this reason, and should be used as such. Commercial postings can be read in those groups by those that wish, and carried and paid for by those that wish. No one should be forced to subsidize these for-profit postings by private enterprise against their will. I myself would read such a biz.next.marketplace group, but I don't want commercials in the csn.* groups. -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Threaded NewsGrazer ?? Message-ID: <C36DCA.3w8@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: 28 Feb 93 20:09:42 GMT References: <1mlnhoINNjus@tamsun.tamu.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH > Just wondering....I like NewsGrazer, but I don't use it because > I like trn better simply due to its threading capability. For > those of you who don't know, trn gives you a list of threads > rather than a list of posts, so that most of the Re.: stuff gets > grouped into one entry in the thread list, reducing the amount > of stuff you have to sift through. I've heard a lot of people complain about NewsGrazers non-thread capabilities. But I think this is unwarranted. If you SORT by subject name, it groups threads together in the browser view, and even disregards the "Re:" part when doing this. Granted, if there are 20 Re: posts in a row, you'll see all twenty in the browser view, but it doesn't take much to slide past them. With this feature, I really can't imagine anyone using trn in preference to the NewsGrazer. The interface is ALL important. Michael Glenn (NeXTMail welcome)
From: dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port deficiencies Message-ID: <1mr8li$6jj@transfer.stratus.com> Date: 28 Feb 93 20:52:02 GMT References: <1993Feb21.070043.8669@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Chris Thierman writes > Has anyone ever managed to get the Classmate Model 10 Caller ID computer > > Interface to ever work with a NeXT computer. I have one of these boxes, it works grate with my Amiga, and a couple of machines at work. However, it does not work with the NeXT. > > Now before people start accusing me of not have the correct cables etc. I'll let you know that the cables I > 'm using on the NeXT support FULL hardware flowcontrol and pass all the correct wires. In fact I use these cables everyday to do SLIP and various other things. And I've metered them out, so they check out ok there. > > As a matter of fact while looking into this problem I borrowed a HP protocol Analyzer from work. And what I found was missing from the next that the other > computers had, was that the NeXT does not leave DCE to MARK when say kermit or getty open connections to a serial device. In fact basically it > sets DTE to MARK, and when using hardware flowcontrol it sets RTS to SPACE, and of course it brought up DTR to SPACE, but unlike all the other computers I've used the next did not bring up DCE to MARK. It just left > it at neutral, which I believe is causing my problem. So here are my questions: > > 1) Is this part of the RS423 standard? > 2) Has anyone else ran into this before (BTW, it's the same on every NeXT I've tried.) > 3) Has or can anyone come up with a reasonable work around.... > I'm confused ! DCE and DTE refer to the equipment at either end of the cable, not to signals in the cable itself, which are DTR, DSR, RTS, CTS, DCD, TxD, RxD, etc .... -- L. W. "Dan" Danz (WA5SKM) VOS Mail: Dan_Danz@vos.stratus.com Sr Consulting Software SE NeXT Mail: dan@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Voice Mail/Pager: (602) 852-3107 Telecommunications Division Customer Service: (800) 828-8513 Stratus Computer, Inc. 4455 E. Camelback #115-A, Phoenix AZ 85018
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gisli@hamilton.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) Subject: Re: Threaded NewsGrazer ?? Message-ID: <1993Feb28.212738.9406@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Sender: news@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Mr. News) Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI References: <C36DCA.3w8@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 21:27:38 GMT Michael Glenn writes } I've heard a lot of people complain about NewsGrazers non-thread } capabilities. But I think this is unwarranted. If you SORT by subject } name, it groups threads together in the browser view, and even disregards } the "Re:" part when doing this. Granted, if there are 20 Re: posts in a } row, you'll see all twenty in the browser view, but it doesn't take much } to slide past them. I've used NewsGrazer from the beginning, always sorely missing some kind of threading feature. I never thought of sorting like this --- it's great. Now that I realize that I'm an idiot, why not get some help for kill files. How would I go about establishing a kill preference for a group such that all Re: subjects are killed? Thanks Gisli .............................................................................. Gisli Ottarsson Delenda est Carthago. University of Michigan gisli@engin.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: Threaded NewsGrazer ?? Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 22:18:18 GMT Message-ID: <C36JAI.Cyp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <C36DCA.3w8@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Michael Glenn writes > I've heard a lot of people complain about NewsGrazers non-thread > capa bilities. But I think this is unwarranted. [..] The sorting feature only sort of works for me. At times I cannot predict when I haven't read any posts in a thread, a few of the follow-up posts will appear (after NG finishes it's sorting) *above* the original message as though they were posted before the message to which they follow-up was posted. Even though their names are simply "Re: <threadname>", somehow they are improperly sorted. When I read these messages in the buggy order presented by NG, I end up reading some responses that appear somewhere within the thread (I'd have to keep track of references to find exactly where) before I read the post that started the thread. I think that a collapsible-threaded newsreader (such as nn or trn) is quite valuable. Alas, the source for NG is not anywhere to be found publicly and as of the Info panel in NG v72.3, "This is not a supported application (NeXT or otherwise)." I can only guess that this means that the public may never see the source for NG and be able to make it a bug-free, fully NeXTSTEP 3.0 compliant, collapsible-threaded newsreader. I agree that the interface is quite important, but for me some of the bugs in it are a little too annoying to rely on it as my preferred news reader. I'm posting this article with NG 72.3 as an example of one such bug. Readers might notice some return characters inserted in strange places. I don't know why they are anyplace but where I put them, but all I can say is I only hit return at the end of paragraphs. I like NG because it's PD, the interface is nice and it does (sort of well) the things I do with a newsreader, but I wish the source code for it were PD as well. Another troublesome bug (I've heard some people say that this could be a bug with Mail.app, not NG, but it does come up during NG use) is the old compose window bug where all Mail.app compose windows must be miniaturized, closed or deli vered before hitting "Reply" in NG. Otherwise, all those compose windows will be unrecoverably erased and only the NG reply will appear. Lastly, one other bothersome bug in both Mail.app and NG is the quoting procedure. To make sure that the quoting comes out right, using MailHelper is needed (or spending time manually reformatting the quotes). Again, these aren't the kinds of bugs that will make the program unusable, just annoying. If the code is well-organized (which I would think it is since it came from two professional programmers) I'm pretty positive that these bugs could be fixed easily. Taking it into Interface Builder might prove a good chance to set up some NeXTSTEP 3.0 items such as NeXTSTEP Help, 3.0 browsers and localization. I'm running NG 72.3 with NeXTSTEP 3.0. -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: Re: Open Protocols for NeXTstep Message-ID: <C362wK.o5@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1993Feb27.192200.127992@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 16:24:20 GMT In article <1993Feb27.192200.127992@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes: > In article <1993Feb27.035340.2502@leland.Stanford.EDU> > shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) writes: > > > Sounds like a great idea but shouldn't (or couldn't) that be done withen > ANDI. Mabey committees could be formed for each item of interest but I > think it would be best for NeXT developers if efforts in developing were > concentrated in one organization. > > -- > -Mont > > NeXTmail OK :-) > President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) > mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu Mont: ANDI is doing just that. See my post on comp.sys.next.advocacy. We expect to make announcements in the areas of protocols and standards as well as documentation of code, objects, and class libraries, etc. between now and NeXTWORLD. We look forward to having interested parties get involved in this process. Thanks for your support! --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613 -- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (Let's see if Kim thinks this is funny) Date: 27 Feb 1993 14:49:54 -0600 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <1mok5i$1s8@imladris.cubetech.com> References: <C32xqz.Kx4@news.cis.umn.edu> <1993Feb27.042258.7437@cs.yale.edu> <1moa07INN2tf@gap.caltech.edu> In article <1moa07INN2tf@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > >>> That couldn't possibly be true, just ask Kim or any of the > >out. They figured that after the announcement that hardware would be >dropped, the ordering rate would also drop somewhat. However, the >reverse happened. The orders went up significantly! When I talked >to him, about a week ago, he said that most of those machines were >now spoken for (though perhaps not actually delivered yet), and that >rest were likely to go very soon--within weeks. I think you missed the sarcasm, but he's right. I think they are all gone now. The reason is because now you absolutely cannot buy a new NeXTSTEP computer for at least 4 months. Customers who were planning on installing new machines in the next 4-6 months had to buy NOW... andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wisdom@geom.umn.edu (Scott Wisdom) Subject: Re: Threaded NewsGrazer ?? Message-ID: <C36pq4.H3o@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: Geometry Center, University of Minnesota References: <1mlnhoINNjus@tamsun.tamu.edu> <C36DCA.3w8@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 00:37:14 GMT In article <C36DCA.3w8@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: >I've heard a lot of people complain about NewsGrazers non-thread >capabilities. But I think this is unwarranted. If you SORT by subject >name, it groups threads together in the browser view, and even disregards >the "Re:" part when doing this. Granted, if there are 20 Re: posts in a >row, you'll see all twenty in the browser view, but it doesn't take much >to slide past them. > >With this feature, I really can't imagine anyone using trn in preference >to the NewsGrazer. The interface is ALL important. This feature is not even close to what trn style threading can do. This just bunches responses together, with no threading order at all. trn allows you to follow different threads through articles with the same subject heading. The thread trees are shown graphically (with characters) so following them is fairly intuitive. I believe that it will even thread into seperate subjects, so if the subject name changes you know right away. Just sorting subjet names breaks these threads. While trn's threading is much more powerfull than what the current NewsGrazer offers, I find NewsGrazer much better when it comes to just browsing through various groups. If NewsGrazer had intuitive threading, I would put up with the slower performance over SLIP and use it most of the time. Before this post gets flamed, I'm not ripping apart NewsGrazer, and I know that NewsGrazer can show pictures, play sounds, and do other such multimeda things. However, trn is a much more powerfull news reader (when it comes to reading words) and should be given due credit. It's more important to learn from it than to scorn it because it doesn't have a NeXTSTEP interface. These threading features with a NeXTSTEP interface in NewsGrazer would make NG a very powerfull news reader. - Scott Wisdom wisdom@geom.umn.edu
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: some suggestions (not about NeXT future 8^) Date: 27 Feb 1993 15:00:33 -0600 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <1mokph$1u5@imladris.cubetech.com> References: <1993Feb24.150625.15450@cc.umontreal.ca> <1993Feb26.094828.6647@prim> <C32tCB.AGz@world.std.com> In article <C32tCB.AGz@world.std.com> lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) writes: >>In article <1993Feb24.150625.15450@cc.umontreal.ca> lutzray@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lutz Raymond) writes: >>> create a LIFO stack for a multiple objects pasteboard. > >Well, the pasteboard is just a process that hangs around, I would imagine you >could rewrite it with minimal difficulty, sans figuring out the RPC's. I would rather have a FIFO queue... It could be written as a service as well... You could just hit cmd-XCV instead of cmd-xcv. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 20:46:29 EST From: <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93059.204629HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: what paper and transparency to use? References: <C34sFM.9Fn@ms.uky.edu> If you need to get GREAT results from a NeXT color printer, go to a Canon dealer and get their paper and transparencies. I have the BJC-800, the PeeCee version of the NCP, and use Canon media only. Very expensive, but very good results. For better than average but not great results on paper, use GOOD laser paper, rather than the shit they sell as copy/laser paper. Rob Harrap Geological Sciences Queen's U. Kingston, Canada Harrapr@qucdn.queensu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Anyone having post-mangling trouble with NewsGrazer? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 02:38:28 GMT Message-ID: <C36vC4.IoF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana I came upon a very big problem with NewsGrazer v72.3 today. I made two posts and random splices of the first and second post became the full content of the second. Has anyone else had this problem with NewsGrazer and a remote nntp host? Thanks, -- -- Jeff -- jeffo@uiuc.edu Path: informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!fauern!ira.uka.de!yale.edu!think.com!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!klui From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Threaded NewsGrazer ?? Date: 1 Mar 1993 02:54:35 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1mrttb$r1q@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <1mlnhoINNjus@tamsun.tamu.edu> <C36DCA.3w8@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <C36pq4.H3o@news2.cis.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: klui.corp.hp.com In article <C36pq4.H3o@news2.cis.umn.edu> wisdom@geom.umn.edu (Scott Wisdom) writes: > I believe that it will even thread into seperate subjects, > It does, and does it quite well. It will also show threads in relation to one another (although it's not perfect in this regard). For example, if a response to some post were to make it to our site before its parent, trn will flag it as an actual response and state that its parent article is unavailable. When that parent article arrives, it will show up correctly. A quick- hack type of threading will show the "response" as the start of a thread and vice-versa when the actual parent arrives. Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MS20BJ Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Core Application Technologies 1(415)857-3230 Fax 1(415)852-8026
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: artebit!hauck (Georg-Bernhard Hauck) Subject: Need help: dial-in secure Message-ID: <1993Feb28.190632.444@artebit.in-berlin.de> Keywords: dialin, mailbox, shell Sender: hauck@artebit.in-berlin.de Organization: artebit Ges.f.DV und Bildende Kunst mbH Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 19:06:32 GMT Hello - 1: I want to make my NeXT available for friends. I know, it is possible to change the root-directory for a user to his/her homedirectory - but i don't know how ! 2: Where is a SIMPLE/SMALL shellscript for dial-in (hello, if you want to download ... upload ...message ....goodbye) ? 3: if the "gettytab"-entry for my dial-in-line is chnaged to "p8", i.e. 8-bit line, WHY IS THE "Login: "-PROMPT SENT IN 7-BIT (the "Password: "-Prompt is ok), how can i allow 8-bit dial-ins ?? ATTENTION: MY FROM:-LINE IS INCORRECT - reply to hauck@artebit.in-berlin.de thanks in advance Georg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Georg-Bernhard Hauck vox: ++49 30 7518997 Alt-Tempelhof 16 fax: ++49 30 7513756 1000 Berlin 42 e-mail: hauck@artebit.in-berlin.de Germany
From: zmartin@eskimo.com (Zachary Martin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next - a publicly owned company? Message-ID: <1993Feb28.112319.3249@eskimo.com> Date: 28 Feb 93 11:23:19 GMT Article-I.D.: eskimo.1993Feb28.112319.3249 Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- Is Next publicly owned? Does anyone know what market it's traded on or what the ticker symbol is?
From: zmartin@eskimo.com (Zachary Martin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NextTV Message-ID: <1993Feb28.112811.3399@eskimo.com> Date: 28 Feb 93 11:28:11 GMT Article-I.D.: eskimo.1993Feb28.112811.3399 Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- I was looking at a NextStation down in a store today and I noticed something called "NextTV" in the demo menu. I also noticed what looked like a coax connector on the back of the machine. Is this what I think it is? Can I watch TV on a NextStation (this may seem pretty minor, but it would be great if I could plug my VCR into my machine and didn't have to buy a TV)? I realize that the coax plug may be for a network - is there some other hardware I would need?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: HP550(C) driver? Message-ID: <C375wD.8AG@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 06:26:37 GMT I would like to connect an HP 550(C) to my Cube. I need (1) A (colour) driver- Dots? ... (2) Which cable to use. Could anyone with full support for the 550 e-mail me a price? I only care about support for it. In particular, does Dots now support this printer and what is the price for the driver (for this one printer)? Thank's, Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aeschwar@news.ncsu.edu (Adam E. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Next - a publicly owned company? Message-ID: <1993Mar1.054032.6114@ncsu.edu> Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: NCSU References: <1993Feb28.112319.3249@eskimo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 05:40:32 GMT Zachary Martin (zmartin@eskimo.com) wrote: : Is Next publicly owned? Does anyone know what market it's traded on or : what the ticker symbol is? Nope. It's privately owned. That's why all the mystery about its finances, and all the questions... is it making a buck? It does have investors (Cannon, Ross Perot), but I'm no economist so the extent of my knowledge is that you cannot buy stock in Next, and because of this (?) Next does not have to disclose its finances. BTW, to all others out there: please correct me... I'm actually interested in the way these things works. chau, --Adam -- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Adam Schwartz | W: 919-515-5424 | | adam@ncsu.edu | (Raleigh, NC) | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: HP550(C) driver? Message-ID: <1993Mar1.080922.3500@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <C375wD.8AG@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 93 08:09:22 GMT In article <C375wD.8AG@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > I would like to connect an HP 550(C) to my Cube. I need > (1) A (colour) driver- Dots? ... > (2) Which cable to use. > > Could anyone with full support for the 550 e-mail me a price? I > only care about support for it. In particular, does Dots now > support this printer and what is the price for the driver (for > this one printer)? > Someone mentioned to me that he was GNU's Ghostscript. I have FTP'ed it from prep.ai.mit.edu, but I don't know how to use it yet. If someone could explain how to use Ghostscript to stupid and impatient people such as myself, I would be grateful! -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: subbarao@concorde.fc.hp.com (Kartik Subbarao) Subject: Using NeXT optical disks with HP drives? Message-ID: <1993Feb28.224551.20578@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: putchar('I'); for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) putchar('E'); Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 22:45:51 GMT Is it possible to do the above? Is their some magic disktab entry or something that can coax the HP drive into reading the NeXT floptical, or are the filesystems just totally radically different? PLEASE respond by email, I will post any successful response I get. -Kartik
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Threaded NewsGrazer ?? Message-ID: <1mri9j$614@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: 28 Feb 93 23:36:19 GMT References: <1mlnhoINNjus@tamsun.tamu.edu> <C36DCA.3w8@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Organization: me organized? That's a joke! >With this feature, I really can't imagine anyone using trn in preference >to the NewsGrazer. The interface is ALL important. > >Michael Glenn (NeXTMail welcome) Having installed elm and trn this weekend I have to disagree with this statement. What you don't get with NG is the ability to follow how the articles related to one another, which is the key requirement when reading threads. With trn you get a tree display of how the current article fits in with the thread and this is very nice. Trn has a lot of other features that are well worth the putting up with the lack of a _labouriously_ slow interface. Ditto with Elm. Just had a thought on Elm, has anybody written any scripts to do something like the following. Please no why don't you use NeXTMail flames. In Stuart you can drag and drop files and have their pathnames pasted into the stuart window. Wouldn't it be possible to postprocess a mail message using these paths to forge a NeXTMail message?? Im sure standard index.rtfs all look the same except for the positioning of the attachment directives. Any thoughts on this. The above argument is a little like the one where people use FileViewer over a Terminal window. To each their own.
From: infidel+@CMU.EDU (Charles William Swiger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Fat-Binaries, cross-compiler, CONFIRMED? Message-ID: <8fXrw9O00WB8EHy69w@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 93 04:47:37 GMT Article-I.D.: andrew.8fXrw9O00WB8EHy69w Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA In-Reply-To: <1993Feb26.210219.12935@doberman.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 26-Feb-93 Re: Fat-Binaries, cross-com.. by Mike Panzitta@doberman.c > Will NeXT make a cross-compiler available to run on 040 machines? Would > they consider makeing it available via ftp from next.com, or will we have > to wait until 3.1 is released? The bundled compiler on NeXTs is gcc. You can ftp the source for gcc from prep.ai.mit.edu in directory /pub/gnu. Gcc can be built as a cross-compiler for a huge range of CPU's, including the Motorolla 680x0 and the Intel 80x86 lines. However, you still need to get the libraries for whatever target machine that you need. Unless you have access to "NeXTstep/Intel" or whatever the official name is, just having the compiler isn't going to do you much good. Also, NeXT hasn't released any information on what they're doing (if anything) in regard to Fat-Binaries. Looks to me like we'll have to wait for 3.1 and NeXTstep/Intel before we can (or really need to) deal with cross-compilation. <Insert standard disclaimers here....> -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: manzara@flipflop.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Leonard Manzara) Subject: NeXTSTEP Audio Standard mailing list Message-ID: <C36n1K.7s5@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 23:39:20 GMT Dear Colleagues, A new mailing list has been started which is devoted to developing the NeXTSTEP Audio Standard. Since the demise of NeXT hardware, software developers, end users, researchers and academics have expressed concern that there is now no standard hardware under NeXTSTEP to support sound and music. There is a real danger that manufacturers will develop proprietary hardware which will be incompatible with hardware from other vendors, with the result that several versions of the software must be produced by audio and music application developers. This also means that the end user will be faced with a bewildering choice of hardware solutions with inconsistent sets of features. With these problems in mind, a number of members of the network community agreed to form a working committee to develop a sound and music standard for computers operating under NeXTSTEP. We feel it is important for the community as a whole to create a solution to this problem, and not have it imposed upon us by any one company. If you have an interest in helping to shape an open standard which will govern the support of audio under NeXTSTEP, please subscribe to the mailing list. To subscribe, send an email message to: nas@flip.cpsc.UCalgary.CA Please put "subscribe" in the subject field. Note that your email address will be taken from the "From:" field of your message. If the address of this field is incorrect (possible when mailing from somewhere other than your own account), then use subscribe: <address> in the subject line, where <address> is the email address you wish to have NAS mail sent to. Leonard Manzara manzara@cpsc.UCalgary.CA Research Associate Dept. of Computer Science University of Calgary
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: Dictionary Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1993 13:02:43 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar01.130243.21302@cyantic.com> References: <1993Feb26.235423.28013@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> <CEDMAN.93Feb26220127@capitalist.princeton.edu> In article <CEDMAN.93Feb26220127@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >In article <1993Feb26.235423.28013@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes: > The online Webster is sorely deficient in its vocabulary. > Is anybody aware of a more extensive dictionary for NeXTSTEP? > >Well, you can always install the Oxford English Dictionary (or at >least a client, if your organization has a licensed server). The >database is about a gigabyte large and should satisfy even the most >demanding dictionary user. I think HSD just released a spell checker. Perhaps they will build on that and release a dictionary. It's worth a call. > > Carl Edman > -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port deficiencies Message-ID: <31819@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 1 Mar 93 16:28:27 GMT References: <1993Feb21.070043.8669@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1mr8li$6jj@transfer.stratus.com> Organization: KCW Consulting, Oakton VA Chris Thierman writes > Has anyone ever managed to get the Classmate Model 10 Caller ID computer > Interface to ever work with a NeXT computer. .... > computers had, was that the NeXT does not leave DCE to MARK when say kermit > or getty open connections to a serial device. In fact basically it > sets DTE to MARK, and when using hardware flowcontrol it sets RTS to SPACE, > and of course it brought up DTR to SPACE, but unlike all the other computers > I've used the next did not bring up DCE to MARK. ... In comp.sys.next.misc, dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz) writes: >I'm confused ! DCE and DTE refer to the equipment at either end of the >cable, not to signals in the cable itself, which are DTR, DSR, RTS, CTS, >DCD, TxD, RxD, etc .... I too was confused my his use of DCE. So I wrote him a messages asking him what he meant and giving him a few possible alternatives of what might be going on. I got this very interesting reply back from him: | Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 21:21:28 -0700 | From: thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca (Chris Thierman) | Message-Id: <9302240421.AA02015@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca> | To: curt (Curt Welch) | Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port | | Thank you, I'm quite fucking aware of all these little points. If you | really knew anything you would have known what DCE really was. So, next | time you plan to reply to someones message try saying something | usefull. Don't respond, I've set things up to automaticly delete | anything you ever send me in the future. Curt
From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (Let's see if Kim thinks this is funny) Message-ID: <C37w0K.3sL@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: 1 Mar 93 15:50:42 GMT Article-I.D.: news2.C37w0K.3sL References: <1mok5i$1s8@imladris.cubetech.com> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota In article <1mok5i$1s8@imladris.cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes: .. > The reason is because now you absolutely cannot buy a new NeXTSTEP > computer for at least 4 months. Customers who were planning on > installing new machines in the next 4-6 months had to buy NOW... > > > andrew And those that planned on purchasing mid to end of April are SOL. What do those people do now? Become BETA testers for it until August? I got NeXTSTEP into a company I consult to because it was the future and "you can get it now!" So now I sit and hope that the other parts of the company fall behind their expected deployment or my MISSION-CRITICAL app will have NO HARDWARE to run on. I'm trying to not be negative, but if someone has a plan or anything that can aid me in how to present this position, please let me know! peter peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: HP550(C) driver? Message-ID: <1993Mar1.181408.14971@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Mar1.080922.3500@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 93 18:14:08 GMT In article <1993Mar1.080922.3500@leland.Stanford.EDU> avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) writes: > Someone mentioned to me that he was GNU's Ghostscript. I have Oops-- I meant: Someone mentioned to me that he was USING GNU's Ghostscript ^^^^^ sorry about that. Still, if someone can describe what Ghostscript does to the Net, this would be appreciated info. GNU's Ghostscript is *free*, as opposed to Dots, or whatever. -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: Anyone having post-mangling trouble with NewsGrazer? Message-ID: <1993Mar1.182105.15316@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <C36vC4.IoF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 93 18:21:05 GMT In article <C36vC4.IoF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: > I came upon a very big problem with NewsGrazer v72.3 today. I made > two posts and random splices of the first and second post became the > full content of the second. Has anyone else had this problem with > NewsGrazer and a remote nntp host? Yes, I have problems with NewsGrazer. It mangles posts, and if the local nntp server is busy somehow, Newsgrazer simply crashes and loses your post. I am getting into the habit of saving my post in an Edit document before pushing the "post" button--I've lost too much work in the past. I wish Newsgrazer could either get fixed by the author (Jayson are you listening)? or be released to the public domain with the source code. OR, if Jayson (who is now at Millenium Software) would turn it into a BUG-FREE commercial product (for a reasonable price!), then there are probably quite a few people out here who would shell out at least $50 (student price) for it. What do you think? More importantly, what does Jayson think? -Avery
From: mswitkes@ralph.cs.haverford.edu (Mike Switkes) Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gopher,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Text-based gopher Client on NeXT Followup-To: comp.infosystems.gopher Date: 1 Mar 1993 18:25:36 GMT Organization: Haverford College Computer Science Department Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mtkf0$j54@venus.haverford.edu> Does anyone have experience using the "standard" text-based unix gopher client on NeXT machines? We have a NeXTStation Turbo color running NeXTStep v3.0, and the client (v1.1) works fine both locally and remotely for text based information. However, when trying to configure it for graphics and sound, things aren't so hot. Here's the relevant portion of my .gopherrc: Pagercmd: more -d Printercmd: lpr Telnetcmd: telnet Mailcmd: mail Playcmd: sndplay TN3270cmd: tn3270 MIMEcmd: metamail -P Imagecmd: /usr/users/mswitkes/ftp/JView1.0/JView.app/JView bookmarks: # etc. when I try to do sounds, it gives me the error message: sndplay: no sound file specified (or something like that), and for jpeg's, it's something like sh: /usr/users/mswitkes/ftp/JView1.0/JView.app/JView not found. In both cases, the programs seem to work fine both from the console and from a terminal window. we are running the NeXT gopher client v1.3.2 and there seem to be no problems (beyond the inherent limitations of that client). Any ideas about how to configure the text based client and what helper apps are needes would be most appreciated. Thanks, Mike ps. if you read this on comp.sys.next.misc, please relpy either to comp.infosystems.gopher or by mail, and I'll summarize if there's any interest. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Switkes mswitkes@haverford.edu Haverford College Haverford PA, 19041 (215) 896-2387 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vb@ediscope.fdn.org (Vincent Borghi) Subject: Re:NeXT wins User Publication Awards Message-ID: <1993Mar1.065824.325@ediscope.fdn.org> Sender: vb@ediscope.fdn.org Organization: V.BORGHI/Freelance Tech Writer/38580 Allevard/FRANCE Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 06:58:24 GMT In comp.sys.next.announce Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.COM (Conrad Geiger) writes: > > NeXT User Publications entered the NeXTSTEP 3.0 user documentation in > the Society for Technical Communication's 1992 Northern California > Publications and Arts Competition. NeXT received the results and > NeXT won the following awards: > > Best of Show: User's Guide [...] ??? That sounds incredible! Probably the STC jury members have never used a NeXT station. As a NeXT user, I think the NeXT User s Guide is rather poorly designed. As a (french) tech writer, member of the STC, I think the STC, by giving awards to the NeXT User s Guide, causes prejudice to our profession. C est la vie... -- Vincent BORGHI (Freelance Technical Writer) 41, avenue de Savoie Phone: (+33) 76 97 58 78 38580 ALLEVARD Email: vb@ediscope.fdn.org FRANCE NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jaeger.ka.sub.org!stephan (Stephan Jaeger) Subject: CDPlayer.app only as root executable Message-ID: <1993Mar1.113247.7601@jaeger.ka.sub.org> Sender: stephan@jaeger.ka.sub.org Organization: Stephan's Unox Bastelladen Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 11:32:47 GMT Hello folks out there in NeXTland, I have a problem with the CDPlayer.app : I can only start CDPlayer.app if I am working as root. If I work as normal user, I can't start this app, because the application cannot find the CD-ROM-drive. If I insert a normal CD-ROM (BGCD, ...), I can work with this CD-ROM. Any ideas ? Thanks in advance. Stephan Jaeger -- This space for rent. Contact: Stephan Jaeger, Rheinstr.40, D-7500 Karlsruhe 21 +49 721 554293 stephan@jaeger.ka.sub.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hac@nexus.inesc.pt (Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro) Subject: why /bin/date doesnt suport +format options ? Message-ID: <HAC.93Mar1211037@nexus.inesc.pt> Sender: usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System) Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL Distribution: comp Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 21:10:37 GMT Hi NeXT'ers Could some one please tell me why /bin/date doesnt support +format options like (all) other operating systems does ? All I want is to know in which week I am ...-) Could some one please tell me how can I do it ? tks in adv, -- Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro @ INESC [Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores] CCAE [Centro de Comunicacoes em Ambientes Empresariais] Avenida Duque d'Avila 23, 1000 Lisboa, -PORTUGAL. Phone.: +351 1 3100070 Fax.: +351 1 3100008 e-mail: hac@inesc.pt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: marcel@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel) Subject: Undocumented /bin/ls option -v Message-ID: <1993Mar1.205417.18252@bernina.ethz.ch> Keywords: verbose listing with ls Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: NiCE - NeXT User Group, Zuerich Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 20:54:17 GMT By accident I found out about the -v option to ls in NeXTSTEP 3.0, which gives a verbose listing with all the info about a file: % ls -v tools.tar.Z 31637 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 marcel wheel 7529 mod Jul 18 1922 tools.tar.Z ino Jun 18 1992 acc Feb 17 16:22 ^inode # ^# of blocks used ^user ^group ^size ^times ^name ^perms ^# of (hard) links "mod" is the last modification time, "acc" ist the time of the last access to the file and "ino" is the last modification of the inode. -Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Sun on the Run - from Open Systems Today Message-ID: <1993Mar1.161139.25608@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA Date: Mon, 1 Mar 93 16:11:39 GMT [I'm posting this to comp.sys.next.advocacy also because of the last paragraph :-)] Copied without permission from Open Systems Today, March 1, 1993: ============================================================================= Sun Offers Trade-In Deal to Next Users Just a week after Next announced it would sell its hardware business, Sun Microsystems launched a workstation trade-in program offering Next users as much as an $8,000 price break on Sun machines. For $12,500, a Next workstation can be traded for a Sun SPARCstation 10 Model 30 with a 19-inch color monitor, a system normally list priced at $20,500, said Sun's Todd Kelsay, senior product manager for the SPARCstation 10. Users also can trade a Next box and get an $18,500 Model 30 with a 19-inch grayscale monitor for $12,000, Kelsay said. Customers could hold on to their Next box for six months after the trade-in to give them time to port software to SPARC-Solaris, he said. Next users would gain a significant increase in performance by switching to Sun. Next's fastest boxes, the $8,995 NextStation Color Turbo and the $5,995 NextStation Turbo, are rated at only 25 MIPS, while Sun's Model 30 has been benchmarked at 101.6 MIPS. Nevertheless, Sun may not have an easy time getting Next devotees off NextStep. The software has won strong - and what some observers describe as almost fanatical - support from users. ============================================================================= -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Dan Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: why /bin/date doesnt suport +format options ? Date: 2 Mar 1993 02:19:30 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Distribution: comp Message-ID: <1mug7iINNlbc@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> References: <HAC.93Mar1211037@nexus.inesc.pt> Summary: Get GNU's date In article <HAC.93Mar1211037@nexus.inesc.pt> hac@nexus.inesc.pt (Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro) writes: >Hi NeXT'ers >Could some one please tell me why /bin/date doesnt support +format >options like (all) other operating systems does ? > >All I want is to know in which week I am ...-) NeXT's date doesn't support anything other than the generic output. The GNU date, available at ftp.uu.net and most likely at prep.ai.mit.edu, in the "shellutils" package of gnu stuff, compiles cleanly and works fine on NeXT. -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group 313/998-6265
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Syquest External Drive for sale. Message-ID: <7bM.02y438GH01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 1 Mar 93 17:34:11 GMT References: <1993Feb26.230255.4959@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: usa Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA In article <1993Feb26.230255.4959@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, wkwong@columbia.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: > >The deal I have got fallen through and I'm reposting...... > >I have an opened but never used SuQuest 44M external drive for sale. >It is a external drive with case, two SCSI connectors, cooling fan and >auto-universal power supply. Come with software for PC/MAC, but I >never try it, though. I plug it in a mac and it just run fine when I >test it. > >I paid $480 serveral months ago, and first $400 or best offer takes >it. Around here *NEW* externals are going for $389. > >Let me know if you are interested. >Andy -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing */ /* on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't */ /* make you a diner. Being here in America doesn't make you an */ /* American." */ /* --Malcolm X */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
From: herzog@ux5.lbl.gov (Hanan Herzog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need tape drive recommendations Followup-To: comp.sys.next Date: 2 Mar 1993 03:52:26 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mullqINNt75@overload.lbl.gov> Keywords: hardware, tape, backup I am looking for a good tape drive to connect to a NeXTCube Please reply by e-mail. Thanks in advance, Hanan Herzog herzog@lbl.gov
From: herzog@ux5.lbl.gov (Hanan Herzog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need tape drive recommendations Followup-To: comp.sys.next Date: 2 Mar 1993 04:16:50 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mun3iINN51@overload.lbl.gov> Keywords: hardware, tape, backup I am looking for a good tape drive to connect to a NeXTCube Please reply by e-mail. Thanks in advance, Hanan Herzog (herzog@lbl.gov)
From: herzog@ux5.lbl.gov (Hanan Herzog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need tape drive recommendations Followup-To: comp.sys.next Date: 2 Mar 1993 04:23:46 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mungiINN5g@overload.lbl.gov> Keywords: hardware, tape, backup Hi, I am looking for a good tape drive to connect to a NeXTCube running release 3.0. Currently we have about 500MB that we would like to backup periodically. I have no experience shopping for tape hardware, and I would like some suggestions of good brand names and things to look for and watch out for. Price ranges for certain specifications would also be useful. Phone numbers and addresses of suppliers would also be appreciated. Please reply by e-mail. Thanks in advance, Hanan Herzog (herzog@lbl.gov) Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
From: zmartin@eskimo.com (Zachary Martin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextTV Message-ID: <1993Mar1.210353.28459@eskimo.com> Date: 1 Mar 93 21:03:53 GMT Article-I.D.: eskimo.1993Mar1.210353.28459 References: <1993Feb28.112811.3399@eskimo.com> Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- Once again, I have been flooded with answers to my question - the coax connector is, as I suspected, an Ethernet jack. NextTV is only available on a NextDimension Cube, but NextTV is installed as part of the demo on all machines. Thanks.
From: zmartin@eskimo.com (Zachary Martin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Next - a publicly owned company? Message-ID: <1993Mar1.210106.28370@eskimo.com> Date: 1 Mar 93 21:01:06 GMT Article-I.D.: eskimo.1993Mar1.210106.28370 References: <1993Feb28.112319.3249@eskimo.com> Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <- Thank you for all the responses. My questions have been answered in a flood of e-mail. For those who DON'T know, Next is privately owned, mostly by Steve Jobs, Canon, and Ross Perot.
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (Let's see if Kim thinks this is funny) Date: 1 Mar 1993 16:17:27 -0600 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <1mu21n$4p2@imladris.cubetech.com> References: <1mok5i$1s8@imladris.cubetech.com> <C37w0K.3sL@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <C37w0K.3sL@news2.cis.umn.edu> peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) writes: >In article <1mok5i$1s8@imladris.cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew >Loewenstern) writes: >.. >> The reason is because now you absolutely cannot buy a new NeXTSTEP >> computer for at least 4 months. Customers who were planning on >> installing new machines in the next 4-6 months had to buy NOW... >And those that planned on purchasing mid to end of April are SOL. >What do those people do now? Become BETA testers for it until August? I got >NeXTSTEP into a company I consult to because it was the future and "you can get >it now!" So now I sit and hope that the other parts of the company fall behind >their expected deployment or my MISSION-CRITICAL app will have NO HARDWARE to >run on. I agree. I think it was awfully strange for them to drop the hardware before NS/Intel was shipping. If they really had pulled a small profit last quarter (i.e. enough income to cover operating expenses), it would not have been detrimental to continue manufacture until such time as NS/Intel was out (since it will be late - or buggy if they decide to hold to the May 25 date) assuming that they could cover expenses for the next two quarters. Right now, customers who want NS now are screwed. In your case, since there will be at least a three month development lag before you will need to deploy end-user machines, you could probably get away with either used NeXT hardware or Intel hardware running the NS beta. I suppose it's OK to inflict the beta on programmers, but definitely not users (no 3.0 == beta flames, please). andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
From: e77-cg@dv349-2c.berkeley.edu () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to get into NeXTWorld Expo? Date: 2 Mar 1993 06:12:14 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mutru$khf@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi, I'm thinking about going to the NeXTWORLD Expo in San Francisco in May. I'm not assoicated with any business and I'm just an ordinary student. Do I have to buy an admission ticket in advance? How much is it going to cost?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: HSD WINTER SALE--TWO DAYS LEFT!!! Message-ID: <1993Mar2.000236.7804@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Feb28.052332.17776@cs.yale.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 00:02:36 GMT In article <1993Feb28.052332.17776@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > In article <1993Feb27.065737.1549@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu > (Jess Anderson) writes: > > In article <1993Feb27.041845.7334@cs.yale.edu> > > nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > > > > >Please get this commercial posting out of here, Dave. > > >[etc] > > > > Seems to me (we've gone around on this many times now) more > > people want the ads than don't want them. Seems to me they > > should be in csn.marketplace, at least. > > I disagree with your assessment of the public opinion > figures, but it's a moot point. This has indeed been argued > before, [etc, etc, etc] Jeesh, and here it comes again! Just when you thought it was safe to read c.s.n.*... :-) Doesn't it seem like the bandwidth spent on this issue (which has been resurrected over 5 times by my count...) outweighs the bandwidth of the actual commercial posts by a few orders of magnitude? Doesn't it also seem like it never really gets resolved to anyone's satisfaction? Why do it over and over again? I'm actually more sick of this than Yamanari's posts in c.s.n.advocacy... Nathan, I respect your opinions, but if you feel *so* strongly about this why not put an RFD together for biz.next.marketplace? Clearly no one else is going to, and you seem to have a lot of energy related to this issue. It seems more constructive than simply boycotting a few vendors that are trying to survive and bring forth products into this arena. Gordon -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] ----------------------------------------------------------------
From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Satellite Message-ID: <1993Mar1.205615.4748@cesar.uucp> Date: 1 Mar 93 20:56:15 GMT Sender: pat@cesar.uucp I am posting for a friend. Please do not reply to me. I remember reading a message a while back about a company that offered satellite connectivity. Anyone have their name, E-mail address or coordinates? Thanks -Andre al%cesar@cam.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Dictionary In-Reply-To: mark@cyantic.com's message of Mon, 01 Mar 1993 13:02:43 GMT To: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar1112646@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Feb26.235423.28013@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> <CEDMAN.93Feb26220127@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1993Mar01.130243.21302@cyantic.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 15:26:46 GMT In article <1993Mar01.130243.21302@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: In article <CEDMAN.93Feb26220127@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >In article <1993Feb26.235423.28013@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes: > The online Webster is sorely deficient in its vocabulary. > Is anybody aware of a more extensive dictionary for NeXTSTEP? > >Well, you can always install the Oxford English Dictionary (or at >least a client, if your organization has a licensed server). The >database is about a gigabyte large and should satisfy even the most >demanding dictionary user. I think HSD just released a spell checker. Perhaps they will build on that and release a dictionary. It's worth a call. All a spell checker basically needs is the list of words in a language which is by todays standards a fairly small amount of text which any of the several spell checkers which come with the NeXT (and every other UN*X system) as well as the countless PD spell checkers have. (Why in the world does HSD release a _spell_checker_ for a UN*X box ? Are they so deeply convinced that most NeXT users are too ignorant to install ispell or even do a man spell ?). This is many orders of magnitude different from the OED. /usr/dict/words is smaller than 200 kBytes. The OED is over one _gigabyte_ in size (for the numerically challenged, that is 5000x larger). Carl Edman
From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: "Stone Design Announces Full Intel Support" Keywords: Stone Design, Intel, NeXTStep Message-ID: <1993Mar2.043107.622@stone.com> Date: 2 Mar 93 04:31:07 GMT Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp News For Immediate Release For more information, contact: Carla Kay Barlow 505-345-4800 Stone Design Announces Full Support for NeXTSTEP/Intel and Future Versions of NeXTSTEP ============================================== ALBUQUERQUE, NM, March 1, 1993 Stone Design Corporation today announced that it is currently porting all its software products to run on NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors. Stone Design is eager to pursue the market possibilities offered by NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors, as well as NeXTSTEP running on other hardware platforms. "We are fully committed to producing versions of our software to run on all versions of NeXTSTEP," said Andrew Stone, CEO of Stone Design. "NeXTSTEP is still the most powerful development environment available and is light years ahead of anything any other software company has to offer." Stone Design currently ships the following software products for use on NeXTSTEP: * DataPhile - a flatfile end-user database program that puts powerful database design and ease of use in the hands of all users * Create - a 2D color graphics package that is full-featured enough for the professional artist, yet user-friendly enough for general design and business productivity users * 3D Reality - a 3D modeling and rendering package that combines the quality and flexibility of Pixar's RenderMan with Stone Design's trademark UI elegance Stone Design has also announced DataPhile 1.1, a maintenance revision of its popular flatfile database program. DataPhile 1.1 incorporates a number of bug fixes made to the NeXTSTEP Indexing Kit. These fixes have significantly improved the speed and overall performance and stability of DataPhile, both for standard NeXTSTEP and NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors. Stone Design expects the NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors versions of its products to be in beta by mid-March, and to be available concurrently with the NeXTSTEP port, which is scheduled for late May. Contact elena@stone.com to be placed on the beta lists. Stone will continue full support for its products running on NeXTSTEP for Motorola processors. Intel versions of all Stone products will retail for the same prices as the original NeXTSTEP versions (DataPhile: $695, Create: $595, and 3DReality: $495). Upgrades to the Intel versions are also available to all end users free of charge for all software purchased after February 12th, 1993. Stone Design Corporation of Albuquerque, New Mexico, founded in 1984, develops a variety of business productivity applications for NeXTStep. # # # Create, DataPhile and 3D Reality are trademarks of Stone Design Corporation. NeXT is a trademark of NeXT Computer, Inc. All other brand names mentioned are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners. -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: "Stone Design Announces Create 3.0" Keywords: Stone Design, Create, Drawing Message-ID: <1993Mar2.043433.697@stone.com> Date: 2 Mar 93 04:34:33 GMT Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp News For Immediate Release For more information, please contact: Carla Kay Barlow 505-345-4800 Stone Design Announces Create 3.0 ========================================================================== ALBUQUERQUE, NM; March 1, 1993 Stone Design today announced version 3.0 of Create, the company's popular and powerful graphics design package. "When the Create 3.0 design team reviewed all of the mail users had sent in on feature requests, Stone Design committed to engineering what you asked for," said Andrew Stone, CEO of Stone Design. "Create 3.0 gives you all the high-end features of the other professional drawing packages, and combines all of the power of NeXTSTEP 3.x, such as hot links to and from other NeXTSTEP documents, the ability to drag and drop .gif and other file formats, Pantone colors, and filter services," Stone added. Create is a professional, color drawing application that allows instant creation of complex PostScript graphics and text. While offering the power and flexibility of difficult-to-learn graphics packages, Create is extremely easy and fun to use, and includes unique text and graphics special effects not found in any other graphics package. Create 3.0 can integrate Rich Text and graphics, and includes support for multiple pages, allowing Create to function as an easy-to-use page layout program. In addition, Create 3.0 incorporates the following much-requested features. These enhancements make Create an even better all-around solution for any organization's graphics needs. New features for Create 3.0: * Generation of editable curves from any font * User-created patterns and a pattern library * Hot Links to Create * Hot Links from Create to other NeXTSTEP applications * Unlimited levels of Undo * Support for multiple pages * Support for Wacom pressure-sensitive tablets * Extensive on-line Help based on the NeXTSTEP Help system * Filter support for conversion of various image formats, e.g. GIF About Create ------------ Create's extensive tool palette includes circles, ovals, rectangles, splines, poly lines, freehand objects and more. In addition, the powerful text-enhancement features found in TextArt are also available in Create. Create provides a selection of page-layout features, such as grid and ruler controls (in picas, points, inches and centimeters), multiple zoom views, object grouping, locking, alignment, nudging, layering, and redraw controls. Advanced users who want to customize Create effects and objects can view and edit the PostScript code associated with documents and objects, thereby manipulating characteristics of objects that are not accessible through the normal Create user interface. Create reads both encapsulated PostScript (EPS) and tagged image file format (TIFF) files. Documents and images generated in Create can be saved and stored as EPS or TIFF graphics, which can be used by other NeXT applications. Create 3.0 will be available summer '93. The package has a suggested retail price of $595 and is available directly from Stone Design, from your local NeXT dealer or from NeXTConnection. Create 3.0 will be available to registered users of Create 1.0 for $99. Users who buy Create 1.0 after February 15 will be eligible to receive Create 3.0 for no charge, your choice of processor. Stone Design Corporation of Albuquerque, New Mexico, founded in 1984, develops a variety of business productivity applications for NeXT computers. # # # Create is a trademark of Stone Design Corporation. NeXT is a trademark of NeXT Computer, Inc. All other brand names mentioned are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners. -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: "Warning: Blatant Ad" -- Two super offers from Stone Design Message-ID: <1993Mar2.043601.781@stone.com> Date: 2 Mar 93 04:36:01 GMT Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Two Super Offers from STONE DESIGN: 1. Buy NeXT version of any of our software now and receive the Intel version free this summer! You also become eligible to be on our Intel beta program this month! 2. Buy Create 1.1 now - get a free upgrade to Create 3.0 this summer (your choice of processor) This also entitles you to be on our Create 3.0 beta program. Call 505-345-4800 to place your order. Say "Bob" sent you. For more info, write "info@stone.com". -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: serge@dadofsam.Princeton.EDU Subject: Does -NXHost work with NeXTMail? Message-ID: <1993Mar1.200146.17137@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Keywords: Nextmail NXHost Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 20:01:46 GMT We needed to get -NXHost working with NeXTMail last week. We tried two things: 1) open -NXHost whatever Active.mbox. 2) cd /NextApps/Mail.app; ./Mail -NXHost whatever. Case 1 gave us an "unable to open file Active/mbox" (we had no other Mail apps running on the machine, and there was no lock file, and the permissions were all corrrect). Case 2 gave us a Mail window on the target machine. but no menu (when we clicked on the Active.mbox window, the current menu disappeared, but nothing else appeared). Has anyone gotten this to work? We realize it's not an ideal solution for accessing mail across machines ... there are specific considerations that make this a workable solution for us. Serge J. Goldstein
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (Let's see if Kim thinks this is funny) Message-ID: <1993Mar2.145940.20866@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <1mok5i$1s8@imladris.cubetech.com> <C37w0K.3sL@news2.cis.umn.edu> <1mu21n$4p2@imladris.cubetech.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 14:59:40 GMT In article <1mu21n$4p2@imladris.cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes: >In article <C37w0K.3sL@news2.cis.umn.edu> peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) writes: >>In article <1mok5i$1s8@imladris.cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew >>Loewenstern) writes: >>.. >>> The reason is because now you absolutely cannot buy a new NeXTSTEP >>> computer for at least 4 months. Customers who were planning on >>> installing new machines in the next 4-6 months had to buy NOW... > >>And those that planned on purchasing mid to end of April are SOL. >>What do those people do now? Become BETA testers for it until August? [[Remaining discussion deleted--see previous post]] Not clear--The east coast rumor (had by calling a friend on the west coast) is that NeXT keeps opening the hardware factory to make more machines. Can anyone verify this. So order now, with the backlog you probably won't get your machine until April anyway. Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anyone having post-mangling trouble with NewsGrazer? Date: 2 Mar 1993 15:43:54 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mvvbqINNk29@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1993Mar1.182105.15316@leland.Stanford.EDU> Just did. Check out comp.sys.next.sysadmin for THREE identical copies of the same message (hangs head in shame). Kept telling me "Post Failed", then wouldn't let me cancel the article. -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: Sun on the Run - from Open Systems Today Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1993 13:06:08 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar02.130608.24030@cyantic.com> References: <1993Mar1.161139.25608@fnbc.com> In article <1993Mar1.161139.25608@fnbc.com> drew@fnbc.com writes: >[I'm posting this to comp.sys.next.advocacy also because of the last paragraph >:-)] > >Copied without permission from Open Systems Today, March 1, 1993: >============================================================================= > Sun Offers Trade-In Deal to Next Users > > Just a week after Next announced it would sell its hardware business, Sun >Microsystems launched a workstation trade-in program offering Next users as >much as an $8,000 price break on Sun machines. > For $12,500, a Next workstation can be traded for a Sun SPARCstation 10 >Model 30 with a 19-inch color monitor, a system normally list priced at >$20,500, said Sun's Todd Kelsay, senior product manager for the SPARCstation >10. Users also can trade a Next box and get an $18,500 Model 30 with a 19-inch >grayscale monitor for $12,000, Kelsay said. > Customers could hold on to their Next box for six months after the trade-in >to give them time to port software to SPARC-Solaris, he said. > Next users would gain a significant increase in performance by switching to >Sun. Next's fastest boxes, the $8,995 NextStation Color Turbo and the $5,995 >NextStation Turbo, are rated at only 25 MIPS, while Sun's Model 30 has been >benchmarked at 101.6 MIPS. > Nevertheless, Sun may not have an easy time getting Next devotees off >NextStep. The software has won strong - and what some observers describe as >almost fanatical - support from users. Ah, here's the rub! I just finished installing a SPARCclassic for one of our clients and while I like the System V underpinnings better than Berkeley (I've been a SysV person since the early 80's), there is no way I'd give up NS for OpenWindows on Solaris. If Sun wants us all to trade in our Cubes and Slabs for Lunchboxes, then they'd better get NS ported over there fast. BTW, the Classic hardware is excellent. The parallel port is very useful and the small 15" colour monitor (Sony) is crisp, steady and has first class controls. Performance is acceptable with 16MB of RAM but X requires double that to really move. -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: uli@aida.intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (Let's see if Kim thinks this is funny) Message-ID: <1993Mar2.164136.43325@news.th-darmstadt.de> Sender: uli@aida (Ulrich Grepel) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 16:41:36 GMT References: <C32xqz.Kx4@news.cis.umn.edu> <1993Feb27.042258.7437@cs.yale.edu> <1moa07INN2tf@gap.caltech.edu> Organization: TH Darmstadt In article <1moa07INN2tf@gap.caltech.edu>, madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: |> out. They figured that after the announcement that hardware would be |> dropped, the ordering rate would also drop somewhat. However, the |> reverse happened. The orders went up significantly! When I talked This might be another sign: Everybody wants to have some NeXT computer, but everybody thought they're too expensive. So they wait to the moment the machines drop their price. and wait. and wait. and wait... ooppssss!!!! they soon will be unavaillable! Then I have to pay. What about that idea?
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HP550(C) driver? Message-ID: <36.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: 2 Mar 93 04:51:04 GMT Article-I.D.: corona.36.UUL1.3#16216 References: <1993Mar1.181408.14971@leland.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) > Message-ID: <1993Mar1.181408.14971@leland.Stanford.EDU> > > Still, if someone can describe what Ghostscript does to the Net, this would > be appreciated info. GNU's Ghostscript is *free*, as opposed to Dots, or > whatever. Ghostscript is a PostScript clone. I downloaded DOS/Windows versions and used them to drive an HP550C. The results on some sample files (tiger and escher) were really remarkable--easily the best output I've seen on the printer. The DeskJet has a tendency to saturate and bleed (with my cheap paper anyway), but the image generation was quite good. A DOS shell and a Windows shell app were provided. They are pretty basic command interpreters that accept typed PostScript and .ps files. About a dozen drivers were supplied, including DeskJet, LaserJet, PaintJet, Epson, .GIF, .PCX. I haven't tried building from source, which would be what you would want for NeXTSTEP. I suppose you could print from NeXT to .EPS, then pipe it through GhostScript to the printer. But since NeXTSTEP already includes PostScript, it would seem to be simpler to have a simple driver from TIFF or a raw bit format. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: monty%roscom@think.com (Monty Solomon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: 2.1 -> 2.2 Message-ID: <1993Mar2.105439.5842@proponent.com> Date: 2 Mar 93 10:54:39 GMT Article-I.D.: proponen.1993Mar2.105439.5842 Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Proponent Has anyone here compiled a listing of the changed files in 2.2 vs 2.1? Thanks. -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) Subject: Ottawa NeXT User Group Meeting on Thursday the 4th Message-ID: <1993Mar2.160223.7176@bmers95.bnr.ca> Sender: usenet@bmers95.bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Distribution: na Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 16:02:23 GMT Ottawa NeXT User Group Meeting on Thursday the 4th -------------------------------------------------- Discussion: NeXT's latest move/strategy What is the impact to users? What is the impact to developers? Hardware/software support? NS/Intel compatibility guide. etc. Note: There is no product review in this meeting. Come out to the meeting and get your questions answered. There will be free NeXT coffee mugs to give away. (Sorry for the short notice.) For more info, please contact me at hlam@bnr.ca or 763-3663. Hayward --------------------------------------------------------- Hayward Lam email:hlam@bnr.ca People have a way of becoming what you encourage them to be, not what you nag them to be. by Scudder Parker ---------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) Subject: Re: Ottawa NeXT User Group Meeting on Thursday 4th Message-ID: <1993Mar2.160616.7280@bmers95.bnr.ca> Sender: usenet@bmers95.bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Distribution: na Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 16:06:16 GMT Forgot to mention: Where: computerActive 112-21 Antares Dr., Nepean (613) 225-4824 When: 7:00pm Thursday 4th of March Hayward --------------------------------------------------------- Hayward Lam email:hlam@bnr.ca People have a way of becoming what you encourage them to be, not what you nag them to be. by Scudder Parker ---------------------------------------------------------
From: alex@b62150.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu (Alexander T. Hay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Viewing Post Script From Other Systems Date: 2 Mar 1993 20:31:37 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1n0g7aINN6b7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Keywords: Mac PS to NeXT PS Hello! I was wondering if anyone knew how to open up post script files from Microsoft Word on the NeXT. Whenever I try to do it I get an error that says: "There were errors in the PostScript code of <filename.ps>, which may result in an incomplete image. The text of the errors can be found in the console." The files were created and converted to post script using Microsoft Word version 5.1 on a Macintosh SE30. We've tried using utilities to strip all of the Apple libraries from the files but nothing seems to work. I was assuming that NeXT's software could open up any post script file but I guess I was wrong. The only thing I have used to try and open these files is Preview.app as I am not aware of any other post script viewers made for the NeXT. Am I doing something fatally wrong or is this an insurmountable problem? Thanks in advance for the help. Alexander (alex@b62150.student.cwru.edu)
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Washington Area NeXTSTEP Users Group (WaNUG) - March 10 meeting Message-ID: <6913@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 2 Mar 93 20:39:33 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Washington Area NeXTSTEP Users Group (WaNUG) - March 10 meeting The Wednesday, March 10 meeting will be held at MITRE Corp, 1820 Dolly Madison Blvd, McLean, VA. The meeting begins at 7pm. [As of the February 10, 1993, WaNUG has changed its name. While our acronym remains the same, we are now the Washington Area NeXTSTEP Users Group. We welcome the move by NeXT to broaden the use of NeXTSTEP with their port to the Intel processor family, and look forward to NeXTSTEP being ported to other platforms in the near future.] PRESENTATIONS Stephen Farrand of AEC Software will demonstrate their Project Scheduling software for NeXTSTEP. This is a GANTT chart application. QUESTIONS and ANSWERS Fred Giordano and Joel McClung from the McLean, VA office of NeXT, Inc. will be with us to update us on the recent changes at NeXT and to answers questions. DISK of the MONTH from ANDI Bring a 1.44MB floppy disk for exchange and receive the latest report on 486 based computers that are supported under NeXTSTEP. Disks are available for $2 if you do not want to swap. POSTSCRIPT Join us for an informal dinner afterwards. Where? We are open to suggestions --- Hugh O'Neill President Washington Area NeXTSTEP Users Group (WaNUG) reply to: honeill@nextsrv1.andi.org (NeXTmail accepted) 571 Coover Road Annapolis, MD 21401 telephone (410) 224-3116
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: stark@superc.che.udel.edu (Scott M. Stark) Subject: Archie update, now v2.05a Message-ID: <1993Mar2.215351.8956@udel.edu> Keywords: Archie Sender: usenet@udel.edu (USENET News Service) Organization: University of Delaware Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 21:53:51 GMT v2.05a Tue Mar 2 16:08:05 EST 1993 Here is a new version that fixes a serious problem that could crash the Workspace when one dragged a file from the interface. It also adds three service items. Version=2.05a: 1. Fixed the dragging problem that crashed the Workspace. 2. Added anonymous and general ftp services as well as query service. 3. The general ftp methods now look to a user's .netrc file for information. 4. Enabled autoUpdate of the application to keep the FTP menu updated. -- Scott Stark University of Delaware Department of Chemical Engineering 123 Colburn Lab Newark, DE 19716-3119 (302) 831-6713
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: Where did the Song Contest Go? Message-ID: <1993Mar2.225625.10096@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 22:56:25 GMT What happened to the Ambiguity Song Contest? L. Anathea Brooks gaia@wam.umd.edu Conservation Ecology UMD Maryland
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Updated version of Mouse-X available Message-ID: <7849@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 2 Mar 93 21:49:09 GMT Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. I have put a newer version of the "Mouse-X" Xnext monochrome and color X servers, and a new version of the front end App, Xfe.app, in my archive. The file is called X11R5-MouseX.tar.Z, as it was before. The new version of the servers have the following changes: 1) When launched via the App, the server uses your NextStep beep setting rather than the system beep. 2) When the server is terminated via the App, all the child processes will now die correctly. 3) Temporary .Xnext*** files will no longer be left in /tmp as they were before. Note that this is only a change in the server and the App--no need to re-retrieve the rest of the compiled distribution (unless you never grabbed it in the first place). Also note that this server and App will only run under OS 3.0. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: support@gateway.vvi.com (support at VVI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Technical Graphics Application VVdrafter Beta Date: 2 Mar 1993 13:13:19 GMT Organization: VVimaging, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mvmhf$3kc@gateway.vvi.com> Keywords: graphic, plotting, presentation, data, beta --- Beta Version of The Technical Graphics Application VVdrafter --- Available Now March 1, 1993 - VVI, Inc. announced VVdrafter, a general purpose graphic package specialized for technical plotting, graphics, presentation, and data acquisition. We are seeking users for participation in our beta program. If you are interested please send e-mail to support@vvi.com. Ideally, you should be able to accept NeXTMAIL, be able to ftp to gateway.vvi.com, and have NeXTSTEP 3.0 installed. Users interested in general product literature please send mail to support@vvi.com. Please specify whether you accept NeXTMAIL. We will send you our unique OnlineStore ordering application and online brochures. A NeXSTEP version for Intel processors will be available when NS486 becomes available to the general public. ___________________________________________ The VVI Drafter products include: VVdrafter - The application. VVClass. A c++ based library of general utility objects. Consists of approximately 40 c++ and Objective-C classes for list, stream, bitmap, and atomic definitions. VVKit. An Objective-C based library which consists of approximately 30 Objective-C objects for document, inspector management, axis control, and member and membership management. VVGraphic. A library which defines graphic classes and methods for graphing and plotting. Consists of approximately 50 Objective-C objects for graphic document control, graphing, graphics, and graphic inspector editors. ___________________________________________ Features include: - General plotting: bezier curves, lines, rectangles, rtf, eps, quadrilateral image warping, text wrapping, groups, smoothing, etc. - Data plotting: histogram, line, smoothed curve, areas, scatter, contours, and signals (animated data plotting). - Axes which scale and shift using mouse controls, direct editing of axes labels, inspector editors, or magnification cross hairs. - Inspector editors with editor sub-links and inter-editor links. - Specialized graphics: Incorporated on request, or dynamically loadable. - Manipulation of all graphics via inspector and mouse editing. - Document page control to define multiple plots per page, labels, titles, tiles and overlapping plots or graphing areas, etc. - Drag-and-drop from the Workspace, support of color, copy and paste of Mathematica output cells (or Edit, etc), eps, tiff, and instruction parser. Many other standard formats supported. Many more being implemented. - Online help, context based hints, support by e-mail, and suggest by e-mail all make this application easy to use. - Many more features. For more information please contact support@vvi.com VVI, Inc., headquartered in State College, PA, is a privately owned company which has been developing applications for NeXTSTEP and consulting for NeXTSTEP based projects since 1989.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> Subject: Changing monitor background Message-ID: <1993Mar2.223857.4633@proponent.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Proponent Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 22:38:57 GMT Is there any way to change the monitor background from grey to white? This would be useful for taking screen shots of selections. Thanks. -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Paul_Kunz@slac.stanford.edu (Paul Kunz) Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (Let's see if Kim thinks this is funny) Message-ID: <C3AIu0.AC1@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <1993Mar2.145940.20866@socrates.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 01:58:47 GMT In article <1993Mar2.145940.20866@socrates.umd.edu> fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > Not clear--The east coast rumor (had by calling a friend on the > west coast) is that NeXT keeps opening the hardware factory to > make more machines. Can anyone verify this. > I don't know if the factory is working, but I happened to pass by it last week at night and the NeXT logo was still brightly lit. Until NeXT actually sells the factory and the new owner moves in that wall of the factory, which faces the very busy Freemont Avenue, is like a billboard for NeXT. -- Paul F. Kunz Paul_Kunz@slac.stanford.edu (NeXT mail ok) Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University Voice: (415) 926-2884 (NeXT) Fax: (415) 926-3587
From: e77-cg@dv349-2c.berkeley.edu () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where are the coursewares? Date: 3 Mar 1993 02:18:39 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1n14hv$983@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi, Are there any other ftp sites besides alleg.edu and rose-hulman.edu that contain coursewares for NeXT? In particular, I am looking for apps in biology. Also, would someone NeXTmail me a copy of FlyLab.app pleas? PS If you can NXmail flylab, please send me a mail before you send it. I don't need more than one copy...
From: monty%roscom@think.com (Monty Solomon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: 2.2? Message-ID: <1993Mar2.231533.5318@proponent.com> Date: 2 Mar 93 23:15:33 GMT Article-I.D.: proponen.1993Mar2.231533.5318 Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: Proponent 2.2 is no longer available from NeXT. Does anyone have a copy of 2.2 on CD-ROM and/or floppies that they are willing to part with? Thanks. -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: "Stone Design Announces Create 3.0" Message-ID: <C3ApL4.BF4@utstat.toronto.edu> Keywords: Stone Design, Create, Drawing Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Mar2.043433.697@stone.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 04:24:39 GMT In article <1993Mar2.043433.697@stone.com> andrew@stone.com writes: [ ] >Stone Design Announces Create 3.0 [ ] >Create 3.0 will be available summer '93. The package has a suggested >retail price of $595 and is available directly from Stone Design, from >your local NeXT dealer or from NeXTConnection. Create 3.0 will be >available to registered users of Create 1.0 for $99. Users who buy Create >1.0 after February 15 will be eligible to receive Create 3.0 for no >charge, your choice of processor. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey ...wait a minute here. I thought the idea was that if someone purchased the NeXT (black) version then they would also be able to run the software on their PC's at home or vice versa. If the idea is to force people to buy 2 versions of the same software then this significantly reduces the appeal of what NeXT is trying to accomplish. It appears to me that users should support those developers who support the idea behind the "fat binaries" usefulness. As for the others, then I would certainlt be less inclined to support them unless they were the only alternative. NeXTSTep has a very good chance of being a big success. Don't spoil it for unnecessary reasons. [ ] -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lockhart@eecom.gatech.edu (John B. Lockhart) Subject: Re: HP550(C) driver? Message-ID: <1993Mar3.045352.13491@ee.gatech.edu> Sender: news@ee.gatech.edu Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250 References: <C375wD.8AG@utstat.toronto.edu> <1993Mar1.080922.3500@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 04:53:52 GMT In article <1993Mar1.080922.3500@leland.Stanford.EDU> avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) writes: >In article <C375wD.8AG@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip >McDunnough) writes: >> I would like to connect an HP 550(C) to my Cube. I need >> (1) A (colour) driver- Dots? ... > >Someone mentioned to me that he was GNU's Ghostscript. I have >FTP'ed it from prep.ai.mit.edu, but I don't know how to use it >yet. I think I'm the guy who told you to use GhostScript. Admittedly, it is a bit of an extreme pain to get to work. My steps were: 1. Compile the thing (easier said than done). 2. Install it under /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib/ghostscript. 3. Remove all of the font files except "ugly.gsf". 4. Create a fontmap file (the format is easy--see the one they include) which references the built-in NeXT fonts in their /NextLibrary/Fonts/... locations. I don't know if Adobe would be happy with this but (a) I'm only imaging the fonts at 300dpi, and (b) I'm merely doing what NeXTStep or Dots would do with the files anyway. 5. Create a simple printer with the Net Info stuff which outputs to whichever port you want and uses "/usr/local/bin/gsif" as the "if" option. 6. Create /usr/local/bin/gsif as: #!/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/gs -q -sPAPERSIZE=letter -sOutputFile=- -sDEVICE=cdjmono -r300 -dNOPAUSE - 7. Create another printer in the same manner (with different gs options) for color. Then, you can print directly to the created printer from the NeXT interface boxes, which creates a pipeline involving GhostScript. Works fine for both mono and color images. --John
From: mswitkes@ralph.cs.haverford.edu (Mike Switkes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Image/Sound viewers that work from the command line Date: 3 Mar 1993 05:03:45 GMT Organization: Haverford College Computer Science Department Distribution: world Message-ID: <1n1e7h$pof@venus.haverford.edu> I am looking for fairly generic viewers for various image/sound types that can be run from the command line, preferably binaries but if you have source that will run on the NeXT, that's good too. Much to my dismay, I discovered that sndplay **can't accept a pipe!!!** (and this is supposed to be unix), and I haven't been able to find a good multiformat image viewer that does either. Specifically, I'd like to be able to call them from both metamail (MIME multimedia mail) and from the command line version of gopher, neither of which I can do right now. Any help would be appreciated, but please mail it to me as I don't follow this group regularly (or really at all for that matter :-) Thanks very much, Mike BTW, if anyone has this stuff lying around, feel free to NeXTMail it to me at ralph.cs.haverford.edu (the return address for this post), but not at haverford.edu. Thanks again. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Switkes mswitkes@haverford.edu Haverford College (NeXTMail OK) mswitkes@ralph.cs.haverford.edu Haverford PA, 19041 (215) 896-2387 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: Changing monitor background Message-ID: <HARDY.93Mar2233325@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: Monty Solomon's message of Tue, 2 Mar 1993 22:38:57 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Date: 3 Mar 93 07:31:18 GMT References: <1993Mar2.223857.4633@proponent.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc In article <1993Mar2.223857.4633@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> writes: ? Is there any way to change the monitor background from grey to white? ? This would be useful for taking screen shots of selections. In 3.0 Preferences allows you to choose the background color. I keep mine Black. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Fat-Binaries, cross-compiler, CONFIRMED? Message-ID: <1993Mar1.161217.7752@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <8fXrw9O00WB8EHy69w@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 16:12:17 GMT In article <8fXrw9O00WB8EHy69w@andrew.cmu.edu> infidel+@CMU.EDU (Charles William Swiger) writes: > NeXT hasn't released any information on what they're > doing (if anything) in regard to Fat-Binaries. > > Looks to me like we'll have to wait for 3.1 and NeXTstep/Intel before we > can (or really need to) deal with cross-compilation. Steve Jobs explained this at last month's BANG meeting: 3.0 can execute fat binaries, but doesn't include the cross-compiler. 3.1 will include the cross-compiler. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: d91-sjd@tekn.hj.se (DANIEL SJBERG) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IRC on NeXT-stations Message-ID: <d91-sjd.30.731143505@tekn.hj.se> Date: 3 Mar 93 07:25:05 GMT Sender: news@news.chalmers.se Organization: H|gskolan i J|nk|ping Hi! I wonder if there is anyone out there who has a compiled version of IRC for NeXT......or do you have a ported C source for NeXT.....I'm tired of using public clients for running IRC and I want to set up a server on our school regards Daniel ========================================================================= = Shaggy member of The Yellow Ones = = = = E-Mail: D91-SJD@TEKN.HJ.SE ------------------- = = - Beaty is in the - = = Snail-Mail: Daniel Sjoberg - beholders eyes - = = Mogatan 11 - - = = S-56634 HABO - Charta 77 - = = SWEDEN ------------------- = =========================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Changing monitor background Message-ID: <1993Mar3.122717.7757@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993Mar2.223857.4633@proponent.com> <HARDY.93Mar2233325@golem.ps.uci.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 12:27:17 GMT In article <HARDY.93Mar2233325@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes: >In article <1993Mar2.223857.4633@proponent.com> Monty >Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> writes: >? Is there any way to change the monitor background from grey to white? >? This would be useful for taking screen shots of selections. >In 3.0 Preferences allows you to choose the background color. >I keep mine Black. A man of taste, obviously (meaning so do I :-). He's using NS2.1, though, so he can do it with Scene. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: Sun on the Run - from Open Systems Today Message-ID: <1993Mar3.132018.25154@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <1993Mar1.161139.25608@fnbc.com> <1993Mar02.130608.24030@cyantic.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 13:20:18 GMT In article <1993Mar02.130608.24030@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: >In article <1993Mar1.161139.25608@fnbc.com> drew@fnbc.com writes: [Sun's generous trade-in offer deleted!-] >Ah, here's the rub! I just finished installing a SPARCclassic for one of >our clients and while I like the System V underpinnings better than >Berkeley (I've been a SysV person since the early 80's), there is no way >I'd give up NS for OpenWindows on Solaris. If Sun wants us all to trade in >our Cubes and Slabs for Lunchboxes, then they'd better get NS ported over >there fast. I'll second this--we just got a Sparc 2 at the office (so I have been spared working with Solaris for now) and OpenLook drives me out screaming (although it beats SunView by a mile). Now if I can just be spared trying to develop under it. So what will Sun be doing with all these NeXTs they'll be getting--developing custom apps to increase office productivity?-) Charlie > >BTW, the Classic hardware is excellent. The parallel port is very useful >and the small 15" colour monitor (Sony) is crisp, steady and has first >class controls. Performance is acceptable with 16MB of RAM but X requires >double that to really move. > >-- > >Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 >CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 >101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: jpw@sansfoy.lib.virginia.edu (John Price-Wilkin) Subject: Postscript from Mac Message-ID: <1993Mar3.133239.26813@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 13:32:39 GMT I'm trying to print a postscript file created on a Mac. I've tried translating octal 015 to 012 and leaving it the way it is, but neither the NeXT printer nor the postscript viewer seems to be able to understand it. Is there a standard trick here? John Price-Wilkin jpwilkin@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) Subject: Re: "Stone Design Announces Create 3.0" Message-ID: <1993Mar3.143748.29269@cs.wm.edu> Keywords: Stone Design, Create, Drawing Sender: news@cs.wm.edu (News System) Organization: The College of William and Mary References: <1993Mar2.043433.697@stone.com> <C3ApL4.BF4@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 14:37:48 GMT In article <C3ApL4.BF4@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > In article <1993Mar2.043433.697@stone.com> andrew@stone.com writes: > >available to registered users of Create 1.0 for $99. Users who buy Create > >1.0 after February 15 will be eligible to receive Create 3.0 for no > >charge, your choice of processor. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Hey ...wait a minute here. I thought the idea was that if someone purchased > the NeXT (black) version then they would also be able to run the software > on their PC's at home or vice versa. If the idea is to force people to buy 2 > versions of the same software then this significantly reduces the appeal of Oh, I see. So you think that paying for one copy of a program and use it on two machines is fine as long as they are different machines (68K and Intel)? Instead, if I have a 68k at home and a 68k at work, I should buy two copies. That does not make a lot of sense to me. (if what you want is being able to dump your 68k x years from now and use your software on a different machine, that would be nice, but not many vendors do that, I think). -- Gianfranco Ciardo
From: jack@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com (Jack Gidding) Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help needed creating Type 1 Fonts Message-ID: <4037@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com> Date: 3 Mar 93 14:58:59 GMT Sender: news@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com Followup-To: comp.fonts Hello all, I have a specific problem. I have several fonts which are used in trading room applications in Sun's *.vft format. Supposedly, the utility convertfont will convert these to *.afm files. However, I cannot get it do do this. I need to create these fonts for use on the NeXT. My other question is, is there a tool that will graphically allow me to specify the Postscript fonts needed for NeXT? Thanks, --- Jack Gidding Sr. Development Engineer Reuters 1400 Kensington Road Oak Brook,IL 60521 jack@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com NeXT mail welcome! ----------------------------------------------------------- "Credit is a euphemism for debt." - Billy McKenzie
From: vailm00@DMI.USherb.CA (MARC VAILLANCOURT) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need screenshot from a NeXT Message-ID: <C3BLzt.22v@DMI.USherb.CA> Date: 3 Mar 93 16:04:40 GMT Article-I.D.: DMI.C3BLzt.22v Sender: usenet@DMI.USherb.CA (Pour courrier Usenet) Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique I'm currently writing a paper about different GUIs for school, and I'd like to have nice screenshots of a NeXT desktop. I'd specifically like to see the following things in this or those screenshots: - A window where we can see that the NeXT uses proportionnal scrollbars. - Buttons which have both an image and text inside of them. - An image of the Interface Builder would be awesome, I'll use this to demonstrate that designing a user-interface is usually easier on a NeXT than any other microcomputer. - The images can be in GIF or TIFF format, preferably GIF, send it UUENCODED via Email. Thanks a thousand times to those who will help me. Marc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mlind@mot.com (Michael Lind) Subject: Does Mail.app use any lockfiles? Organization: MOTOROLA Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 14:13:08 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar3.141308.15993@schbbs.mot.com> Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (Net News) Background: I am using procmail to sort mail from the many mailing lists I subscribe to into individual NeXTmailboxes. To avoid corruption of the mail files, I am currently using a shell script that call's procmail's lockfile. The problem with this method I can't leave Mail.app up all of the time to monitor for incoming mail. Question: Does Mail.app use any lockfiles when it is writing to mailboxes? Many thanks for the help. Michael -- Internet email: mlind@mot.com U.S. Mail: Michael Lind Voice: 1-708-576-6459 Motorola, Inc. FAX: 1-708-576-6388 1299 E. Algonquin Rd. Schaumburg, IL 60196 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: vrr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (veenu.r.rashid) Subject: Mathematica 2.1 Memory Problems Organization: AT&T Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 17:21:24 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar3.172124.27912@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> Followup-To: poster Has any one noticed that in large calculations Mathematica 2.1 takes up large amounts of virtual memory (read: disk space) and then doesn't give it back when it exits. The only way to clear up the memory seems to be by rebooting. Or does anyone have another way around it? -- Veenu Also, Expand applied on the Sech and Tanh functions doesn't do anything. Very strange. It worked fine in 1.2
From: wwille.hanse.de!wwille (Winfried Wille) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: zsh bad executable message fixed (was:A brief comparative study of UN*X shells ) Date: 3 Mar 1993 10:09:34 GMT Organization: Terraprolls Message-ID: <1n204u$9vq@wwille.hanse.de> References: <ANDERSON.93Mar1070245@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> In article <ANDERSON.93Mar1070245@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) writes: > Yes, zsh is indeed the greatest thing since sliced bread. I've greatly > enjoyed itfor some time too. > > But it has one property that is somewhat annoying. Randomly (as far as > I can tell), about 2-3 times per day of regular use, when you try to > execute some command at the shell prompt, it comes back with the > message that it (e.g. "ls" or something else exotic like that :-) is a > "bad executable". All you have to do is hit ^P and run it again, and > ... > --Steve Anderson Hello, i posted the solution to the zsh-list (never reaches there because the domain hanse.de has lost it's main provider, but that will hopefully soon be fixed) and de.comp.sys.next- here it comes again: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 93 12:21:11 GMT+0100 From: wwille (To: zsh-list@cs.uow.edu.au) To: zsh-list@cs.uow.edu.au Subject: Re: bad executable or shared library - the Solution Cc: cedman@capitalist.princeton.edu, thunami, trohde dan@phoenix.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz) writes: >> [ Marc Guenther writes ] >> >> Does anyone know, what causes these errormessages ? >> >> it occurs to me all the time, that some commands cause this >> errormsg. When I execute the command a second >> time, it works. >> >> Im sitting in front of a Next, running NextStep 3.0 >> >> zsh version is 2.3.1 >> I got the some problems and mailed them to this list last december. I wrote to Carl Edman and described him an situation, where there error in 2 of 3 cases occured. I was so kind to test it, he had no problems. It couldn't be the binarie because since zsh2.3 it compiles and installs straight through, even under 3.0 - thanks to Carl Edman for that. Remains the runtime enviroment, i checked the changes i made. Failure is here, on my machine its in the /etc/zshrc -- snip --- # use hard limits, except for a smaller stack and no core dumps unlimit limit stack 8192 limit core 0 #limit -s -- snap -- the above works I had outcommented the "limit stack 8192" which causes an unlimited stacksize, with which zsh on an NeXT can't deal. Now it works all fine. Have fun with the famous zsh Winni --- * Winfried Wille * * email: wwille@wwille.hanse.de, NeXT mail accepted * * Voice: 040/456543, Data 040/457826 * * * * Kein Studieren ohne Kopieren (Spruch aus einem Copyshop) *
From: xandor@unixg.ubc.ca (John Gilbert ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Train, smoking images needed Date: 3 Mar 93 19:32:20 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <xandor.731187140@unixg.ubc.ca> Summary: Images desired Keywords: train,rail,cigarette,smoking Has anybody come across/ is in possession of some nice images of a train or locomotive or other railroad-related .tiffs or .ps images? I'm also in need of images related to tobacco smoking. Thanks very much. "NeXTStep for Optical Processors! Yay!"
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: "Stone Design Announces Create 3.0" Message-ID: <1993Mar3.181510.8885@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 3 Mar 93 18:15:10 GMT References: <1993Mar3.143748.29269@cs.wm.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: : In article <C3ApL4.BF4@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: : > In article <1993Mar2.043433.697@stone.com> andrew@stone.com writes: : > >available to registered users of Create 1.0 for $99. Users who buy Create : > >1.0 after February 15 will be eligible to receive Create 3.0 for no : > >charge, your choice of processor. : > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > : > Hey ...wait a minute here. I thought the idea was that if someone purchased : > the NeXT (black) version then they would also be able to run the software : > on their PC's at home or vice versa. If the idea is to force people to buy 2 : > versions of the same software then this significantly reduces the appeal of : : Oh, I see. So you think that paying for one copy of a program and use it on : two machines is fine as long as they are different machines (68K and Intel)? : : Instead, if I have a 68k at home and a 68k at work, I should buy two copies. : : That does not make a lot of sense to me. : : (if what you want is being able to dump your 68k x years from now and use : your software on a different machine, that would be nice, but not many : vendors do that, I think). : : -- Gianfranco Ciardo Considering that dumping the 68k is the _only_ option for upgrading to a new machine (as opposed to used machine) this is an important factor, I think. It also nullifies the advantage of not needing multiple copies of an app on the fileserver, if a license server is used. (If you've got a site license for an app, with a network of 68k's and x86's, you won't need a copy for each processor.) -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: Threaded NewsGrazer ?? Message-ID: <1993Mar3.042121.16946@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <C36DCA.3w8@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 04:21:21 GMT In article <C36DCA.3w8@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: > > > Just wondering....I like NewsGrazer, but I don't use it because > > I like trn better simply due to its threading capability. For > > those of you who don't know, trn gives you a list of threads > > rather than a list of posts, so that most of the Re.: stuff gets > > grouped into one entry in the thread list, reducing the amount > > of stuff you have to sift through. > > I've heard a lot of people complain about NewsGrazers non-thread > capabilities. But I think this is unwarranted. If you SORT by subject > name, it groups threads together in the browser view, and even disregards > the "Re:" part when doing this. Granted, if there are 20 Re: posts in a > row, you'll see all twenty in the browser view, but it doesn't take much > to slide past them. > > With this feature, I really can't imagine anyone using trn in preference > to the NewsGrazer. The interface is ALL important. > > Michael Glenn (NeXTMail welcome) Just to add my $0.02, the one thing that I'd really like to see in 'Grazer is the ability for it to recognize cross-posted articles, and mark them as read in all cross-posted groups when I've read it in one. True threading would be nice, but I won't give up 'Grazer for trn..... John -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-3344 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
From: jenkinsonjp@rcwusr.bp.com (John P. Jenkinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: House icon wanted to return Message-ID: <1993Mar3.151423.181@rcwusr> Date: 3 Mar 93 15:14:23 -0600 References: <1993Feb26.191434.168@rcwusr> Organization: BP Exploration (Alaska) In article <1993Feb26.191434.168@rcwusr>, jenkinsonjp@rcwusr.bp.com (John P. Jenkinson) writes: > in the file viewer, what makes the difference between the house and a folder > icon display? we're in a convoluted mixed vendor automount environment and > someone had a house for their home once and wants it back. > she thnaks you in advance. several people answered this with a suggestion to change the large file option in the unix preferences. this isn't the problem, though the answers are appreciated, keyed me to another problem. however one reply explicitly said what i meant to imply with the mixed vendor automount environment. when the user gets in the response to a pwd command will be /private/tmp_mnt/autonnn which is linked to the automount mount point so the output of pwd and the field in the passwrod file won't match so she gets a folder and not the house. SO, how can i launch the file browser and specify the directory and/or change defaults so that the browser thinks this is her home and give her house back?
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "Stone Design Announces Create 3.0" Message-ID: <1993Mar03.201950.131022@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 3 Mar 93 20:19:50 GMT References: <1993Mar3.143748.29269@cs.wm.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <1993Mar3.143748.29269@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: > In article <C3ApL4.BF4@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > > In article <1993Mar2.043433.697@stone.com> andrew@stone.com writes: > > >available to registered users of Create 1.0 for $99. Users who buy Create > > >1.0 after February 15 will be eligible to receive Create 3.0 for no > > >charge, your choice of processor. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Hey ...wait a minute here. I thought the idea was that if someone purchased > > the NeXT (black) version then they would also be able to run the software > > on their PC's at home or vice versa. If the idea is to force people to buy 2 > > versions of the same software then this significantly reduces the appeal of > > Oh, I see. So you think that paying for one copy of a program and use it on > two machines is fine as long as they are different machines (68K and Intel)? > > Instead, if I have a 68k at home and a 68k at work, I should buy two copies. > > That does not make a lot of sense to me. > > (if what you want is being able to dump your 68k x years from now and use > your software on a different machine, that would be nice, but not many > vendors do that, I think). > > -- Gianfranco Ciardo This brings us back to the old copy protection argument. If I had a NeXT (black) at home and a NeXT (black) at work then I would physically be able to load one copy of the same software on both machines. I hope that companies do not try to use the existence of multiple NeXTSTEP hardware platforms as a form of copy protection. Mabey Stone Design was just touting the existence of multiple platforms? -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PDH Message-ID: <1993Mar03.202638.131865@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 3 Mar 93 20:26:38 GMT Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo I heard about a company called PDH recently, does anyone know anything about them? -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dictionary Message-ID: <1993Mar03.202543.131672@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 3 Mar 93 20:25:43 GMT References: <CEDMAN.93Mar1112646@capitalist.princeton.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <CEDMAN.93Mar1112646@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article <1993Mar01.130243.21302@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: > In article <CEDMAN.93Feb26220127@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > >In article <1993Feb26.235423.28013@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes: > > The online Webster is sorely deficient in its vocabulary. > > Is anybody aware of a more extensive dictionary for NeXTSTEP? > > > >Well, you can always install the Oxford English Dictionary (or at > >least a client, if your organization has a licensed server). The > >database is about a gigabyte large and should satisfy even the most > >demanding dictionary user. > > I think HSD just released a spell checker. Perhaps they will build on that > and release a dictionary. It's worth a call. > > All a spell checker basically needs is the list of words in a language > which is by todays standards a fairly small amount of text which any > of the several spell checkers which come with the NeXT (and every > other UN*X system) as well as the countless PD spell checkers have. > (Why in the world does HSD release a _spell_checker_ for a UN*X box ? > Are they so deeply convinced that most NeXT users are too ignorant to > install ispell or even do a man spell ?). > > This is many orders of magnitude different from the OED. > /usr/dict/words is smaller than 200 kBytes. The OED is over one > _gigabyte_ in size (for the numerically challenged, that is 5000x > larger). > > Carl Edman HSD's product is a multi-language spell checker. It seems that while NS is a multi-language platform it doesn't include spell checkers for languages other than English. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Does -NXHost work with NeXTMail? Message-ID: <1993Mar03.202839.132122@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 3 Mar 93 20:28:39 GMT References: <1993Mar1.200146.17137@Princeton.EDU> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <1993Mar1.200146.17137@Princeton.EDU> serge@dadofsam.Princeton.EDU writes: > > > We needed to get -NXHost working with NeXTMail last week. We tried two things: > 1) open -NXHost whatever Active.mbox. 2) cd /NextApps/Mail.app; ./Mail -NXHost > whatever. Case 1 gave us an "unable to open file Active/mbox" (we had no other > Mail apps running on the machine, and there was no lock file, and the > permissions were all corrrect). Case 2 gave us a Mail window on the target > machine. but no menu (when we clicked on the Active.mbox window, the current > menu disappeared, but nothing else appeared). Has anyone gotten this to work? > We realize it's not an ideal solution for accessing mail across machines .. > there are specific considerations that make this a workable solution for us. > Serge J. Goldstein I tried th esame by running Mail inside the Mail.app folder but it just gave me the unix mail program. If anyone knows how to make this work I would also like to know. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: NeXT Accessories; To Canada Message-ID: <C3Bx8J.DMC@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 20:07:30 GMT I just called Herman Marketing, the people that sell the NeXT goods. All I wanted was a couple of them cool T-shirts ($5.65 each) and after giving them all the details of where to mail and MC #, they tell me that there is an added charge to ship to Canada ($12.50). Hey, that's more than the couple of shirts! Oh well, for those fortune enough to go to the Expo, pick one up there. They said that they will have a booth where these accessories can be purchased. Otherwise put together a large enough order so the $12.50 doesn't out price the goods. :-) BTW- The 1-800 number does work in Canada now. ---begin include--- NeXT Pencils $20.30 box of 100 NeXT Cross Pen $21.15 each NeXT Decals $75.00 box of 100 NeXT T-shirt $5.65 each - sizes S, M, L, XL (pre-shrunk) NeXT Turtle Neck $19.20 each - sizes S, M, L, XL NeXT Glass Mug $1.70 each NeXT Leather Folder $54.50 each NeXT Sweatshirt $19.20 each - sizes S, M, L, XL NeXT Tote-bag $ 6.25 each NeXT Mouse pad $ 9.67 each Orders can be taken 24 hours a day for domestic and overseas orders Phone: 800-972-1331, 314-432-1800 Fax: 314-432-1818 Method of payment: Purchase order, check, money order, or credit card ---end include--- -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca Unix Support Group (NeXT Mail Welcome) University of Manitoba Computer Services "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Does -NXHost work with NeXTMail? Message-ID: <C3C1I5.6MA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Computing Center References: <1993Mar1.200146.17137@Princeton.EDU> <1993Mar03.202839.132122@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 21:39:39 GMT In article <1993Mar03.202839.132122@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: > >I tried th esame by running Mail inside the Mail.app folder but it just >gave me the unix mail program. If anyone knows how to make this work I >would also like to know. > Uhh, are you sure about that? I did't know Mail.app was written to do such a thing. Maybe you were running Mail in /usr/ucb. Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah. Look up." NeXT Mail accepted --
From: yanik%planon@CAM.ORG (Yanik Crepeau) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextTV Message-ID: <1993Mar3.155208.1509@CAM.ORG!planon> Date: 3 Mar 93 15:52:08 GMT References: <1993Feb28.112811.3399@eskimo.com> Sender: yanik@CAM.ORG!planon In article <1993Feb28.112811.3399@eskimo.com> zmartin@eskimo.com (Zachary Martin) writes: > I was looking at a NextStation down in a store today and I noticed something > called "NextTV" in the demo menu. I also noticed what looked like a coax > connector on the back of the machine. Is this what I think it is? Can I watch > TV on a NextStation (this may seem pretty minor, but it would be great if I > could plug my VCR into my machine and didn't have to buy a TV)? I realize that > the coax plug may be for a network - is there some other hardware I would need? Are you sure that the machine you have seen is a NeXTSTATION? The capabilities you described looks more NeXTCube with NeXTDimension board than a NeXT Station. NeXTTV est an application that could be used by the NeXTDimension board to show NTSC images from VCRs or other compatible sources. -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik%planon@CAM.ORG NeXTMail appreciated Fax: 514-449-6484 -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik%planon@CAM.ORG NeXTMail appreciated
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Does -NXHost work with NeXTMail? Date: 4 Mar 1993 00:52:58 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1n3jtaINNn9@clem.handheld.com> References: <C3C1I5.6MA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> In article <C3C1I5.6MA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) writes: > In article <1993Mar03.202839.132122@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: > > > >I tried th esame by running Mail inside the Mail.app folder but it just > >gave me the unix mail program. If anyone knows how to make this work I > >would also like to know. > > > > Uhh, are you sure about that? I did't know Mail.app was > written to do such a thing. Maybe you were running Mail in /usr/ucb. > Works fine, for me. I just type: rsh host /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail -NXHost myhost to a terminal window on my machine. Of course, this assumes mail would run on the remote machine local screen 'normally' with me as the user. > > Rob > -- > | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu > | "Look up, Hannah. Look up." NeXT Mail accepted > -- Jim -- Jim De Arras | The opinions expressed herein are Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand 804.784.3090 voice | Held Products, Inc., and may not 804.784.3147 FAX | even be mine. Use at your own risk
From: bbum@stone.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Does -NXHost work with NeXTMail? Message-ID: <1993Mar4.000110.2108@stone.com> Date: 4 Mar 93 00:01:10 GMT Article-I.D.: stone.1993Mar4.000110.2108 References: <C3C1I5.6MA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: bbum@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp In article <C3C1I5.6MA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) writes: > In article <1993Mar03.202839.132122@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: > > > >I tried th esame by running Mail inside the Mail.app folder but it just > >gave me the unix mail program. If anyone knows how to make this work I > >would also like to know. > > > > Uhh, are you sure about that? I did't know Mail.app was > written to do such a thing. Maybe you were running Mail in /usr/ucb. NXHost with Mail.app works fine. I would bet that the sequence of events went something like: 1. cd to Mail.app directory 2. type 'mail' at the command line 3. csh looks at the paths and sees /usr/ucb/mail because Mail starts with a big 'M' I usually try to avoid any possible path problems by doing: /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail -NXHost whatever_host_i_want > > Rob > -- > | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu > | "Look up, Hannah. Look up." NeXT Mail accepted > -- b.bum -- <bbum@stone.com> | "I ride tandem with the random... Stone Design Corp | ...things don't run the way I planned them." p.gabriel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) Subject: Looking for EDI software Message-ID: <1993Mar4.013625.18832@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 01:36:25 GMT I am looking for Electronic Data Interchange (EDI) software for NeXTstep. Does anyone know of vendors offering it? Thanks. -Marcos J. Polanco -shiva@vega.stanford.edu
From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: KEEPING FAT BINARIES FAT Date: 4 Mar 1993 01:41:23 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1n3mo3$3lf@agate.berkeley.edu> I have heard that software companies (e.g. Metrosoft, Stone) are offering upgrades for their products but the customer must choose a processor. While I don't like to see emphasis placed on HARDWARE rather than SOFTWARE decisions, I wonder why NeXT computer can't make the same offer to those who have already bought THEIR software? Perhaps they should follow the lead of companies like Metrosoft and Stone Design rather than be stingy with those who are the most commited to NeXTSTEP? I hate to think that NeXT's new software strategy is in any way dependent on the tiny group of computer users represented by those who bought NeXTs. NS should be as common as toilet paper. The focus should be on those who don't already run NS and if a little "toilet paper" is left behind for those who in Steve Jobs' words "bought a NeXT just to run NeXTSTEP", what's the difference? NS is great software, not the Crown Jewels. NeXT shouldn't use fat binaries to get fat "reselling" to those who already bought it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lars@gsblas.uchicago.edu (Lars Andreas Stole) Subject: Tiff editing problem Message-ID: <1993Mar3.232122.22868@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 23:21:22 GMT I'm editing some tiff images. I'd like to be able to select a portion of the image to print rather than the whole page. I thought there would be something akin to FaxReader for doing this. The only thing close is IconBuilder, but its print resolution is at the screen level, not 300dpi. Are there any pd or NeXT-bundled packages which can do this? I'm surprised that only FaxReader seems to have this capability. [I don't have a fax machine so I can't fax the image to myself.] Thanks in advance. -- Lars A. Stole University of Chicago, GSB (312) 702-7309 lars@gsblas.uchicago.EDU (NeXTMail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Does -NXHost work with NeXTMail? Message-ID: <C3CDxJ.AyH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Computing Center References: <C3C1I5.6MA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Mar4.000110.2108@stone.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 02:08:06 GMT In article <1993Mar4.000110.2108@stone.com> bbum@stone.com writes: >In article <C3C1I5.6MA@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu >(Robert Davis) writes: >> In article <1993Mar03.202839.132122@zeus.calpoly.edu> >mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: >> > >> >I tried th esame by running Mail inside the Mail.app folder but it just >> >gave me the unix mail program. If anyone knows how to make this work I >> >would also like to know. >> > >> >> Uhh, are you sure about that? I did't know Mail.app was >> written to do such a thing. Maybe you were running Mail in /usr/ucb. > >NXHost with Mail.app works fine. I would bet that the sequence of events >went something like: > >1. cd to Mail.app directory >2. type 'mail' at the command line >3. csh looks at the paths and sees /usr/ucb/mail because Mail starts with a >big 'M' Actually /usr/ucb/Mail starts with a big M, too. /usr/ucb is before /NextApps and . in his path. Current directory is irrelevant. But anyway, NXHost works fine as long as you make sure the machine you want to see the windows on has Public Window Server enabled in the Unix Expert preferences. Rob >b.bum >-- ><bbum@stone.com> | "I ride tandem with the random... >Stone Design Corp | ...things don't run the way I planned them." p.gabriel -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah. Look up." NeXT Mail accepted --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: "Stone Design Announces Create 3.0" Message-ID: <C3CKry.2z@utstat.toronto.edu> Keywords: Stone Design, Create, Drawing Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Mar2.043433.697@stone.com> <C3ApL4.BF4@utstat.toronto.edu> <1993Mar3.143748.29269@cs.wm.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 04:35:58 GMT In article <1993Mar3.143748.29269@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: [ ] > >Oh, I see. So you think that paying for one copy of a program and use it on >two machines is fine as long as they are different machines (68K and Intel)? I'm saying that the use of a program on 2 different machines should be fine provided they are not being used simultaneously. A lot of sw has this provision. This is one way for people to take work home with them. Now I see the issue of being able to do this on 2 different machines as an advantage, not a disadvantage. > >Instead, if I have a 68k at home and a 68k at work, I should buy two copies. No. One. > >That does not make a lot of sense to me. Not the way you interpreted my message. I hope it makes more sense now. > >(if what you want is being able to dump your 68k x years from now and use >your software on a different machine, that would be nice, but not many >vendors do that, I think). Lot's do, but that's not what I meant. I didn't mean dump the 68k. I meant keep both (one at home and one at work) and use the same software on both (not at the same time) but only pay for the NS version. What is the big deal about fat binaries if vendors do not make that available to users? Ease of porting? I hope not. > >-- Gianfranco Ciardo -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Need improvements! (Re: Does -NXHost work with NeXTMail?) Message-ID: <1993Mar4.053309.21438@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <C3CDxJ.AyH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 05:33:09 GMT In article <C3CDxJ.AyH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) writes: > But anyway, NXHost works fine as long as you make sure the > machine you want to see the windows on has Public Window Server > enabled in the Unix Expert preferences. I'm hoping that one good thing to come out of NeXT focusing solely on NeXTstep is that they'll actually hire enough people and make the time to actually improve the software. As a part-time PPP user (home NeXTstation linked to work NeXTs), I've run into many aggravating problems with certain Apps, and just problems in general doing things that I feel should "just work". To read NeXTmail from home I use NFS mounts of the spool directory and the work account machine's Mailboxes directory, which does what I want, but at the price of the wicked performance hit of NFS over a serial line network protocol. Several times a night I can be heard screaming and banging the table in frustration as the "Compose" window locks up on me because new email is incoming, and there I sit until it finishes receiving it. So much for mach, the great multi-threaded OS ;-( Same deal with a NewsGrazer posting window when updates arrive every hour ;-( Same deal with -NXHost, it's useless over a serial link, because it blasts all the window information over the link. Why can't we have a system where if you have the app on the local and the remote machine, there is a protocol that would allow the app to run on the local machine and display the basic windows, and another copy of the app to run on the remote machine that would only send the "data" to be displayed by the app "serving" the window. Surely the data would be a much smaller quantity, and therefore incredibly useful for remote serial links, not to mention other networking (ISDN, etc). It's time for NeXT to refine/define all these services! -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: alan@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu (Puffin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NewsGrazer and homebrewed shar-like shell archives Message-ID: <C3C9Bp.CGq@cda.mrs.umn.edu> Date: 4 Mar 93 00:28:37 GMT Sender: news@cda.mrs.umn.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris I sure wish people who post binaries wouldn't use things like xmitBin and a couple other homebrewed shell archives, because NewsGrazer can't handle them. For example, with files made by xmitBin: * NewsGrazer pulls the text it thinks is a shell archive into an icon. * It only goes up to the "exit" statement in the archive. * The archive, when executed, searches for a line *after* the "exit", does not find it, summarily concludes it is truncated, and bombs. The quickest way around this that I've found is to launch the icon into Edit, pull out the few lines of code that do this inane check, and execute the attach file from the File Viewer. Is this worth sending a bugfix to the NewsGrazer guys, or should I flame the posters? =) -- W. Alan "Puffin" Krueger | >> fixed action set in motion doubting amnesia Univ of Minnesota, Morris | potion what to hide red carpet ride guessing ALAN @ NXSCI173.MRS.UMN.EDU | right << tIN oMEN sKINNY pUPPY KRUEGEWA @ CAB.MRS.UMN.EDU | Listen to the U~90 Alternative! KUMM 89.7 fm
From: Christian.Andretzky@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de (Christian Andretzky) Newsgroups: gnu.utils.bug,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Urgent help needed using gnu-tar to backup a mixed network Message-ID: <gnusenet1993Mar4.004231.20969@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de> Date: 4 Mar 93 00:42:31 GMT Article-I.D.: mb3.gnusenet1993Mar4.004231.20969 Followup-To: gnu.utils.bug,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG Apparently-To: bug-gnu-utils@prep.ai.mit.edu Hi, I try to use gnu-tar to do backups in a mixed network (suns and NeXTs) But I can't get it working. I've tried the tar versions 1.10, 1.11 and 1.11.1 with no success. My configuration: NeXT cube with a HP 35480 DAT tape, suns and other nexts to backup with this tape. Backing up another next in this configuration works with the exception tar 1.11.1 - if I use this version I get sometimes - really sometimes altough neither the hardware nor the software setup has been changed the error segmentation fault. But if I try to backup a sun the whole thing will hang. If I use tar 1.11.1 after a very long time (appr. 1 hour of waiting) I get the message can't open host:/dev/nrst0 I/O error and the backup fails. If I use tar 1.10 the whole procedure hangs with no message and for any time so I have to kill it. I've tried to use the usual methods to backup the sun (from the next: rsh sun tar cf next:/dev/nrst0 ..., rsh sun tar cf - | rsh next dd ..., from the sun the same ways without rsh) none of them was working. The rsh processes on the sun (rmt and tar) are waiting (flags IW), the processes on the next are also waiting (flags SW). But if I use (on the sun) rsh otherhost tar cf next:... to backup a remote file system which are not located on the sun but on any other host in the network or rsh next cf /dev/nrst0 ... to backup a local filesystem on the tapehost it works. Finally I've (temporary, because the sun is located in a public accessible room) connected the tape device directly to the sun and all seems to work. Please could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong TIA, Christian -- Name: Christian Andretzky | Address: Technische Universitaet Chemnitz | Phone: +49 371 561 2130 | Fachbereich Maschinenbau III | FAX: +49 371 561 2413 | Reichenhainer Str. 70 | mail: Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE D-O-9022 Chemnitz |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: NeXT speaks at BANG (poll results "seemed" impolite) Message-ID: <1993Mar4.053856.4102@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <21475@mindlink.bc.ca> <tlm.730787840@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 05:38:56 GMT tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: >[...] >Hmmm...this brings to mind a question which I've had for a long time, which is >how well NeXT has done in Canada versus the US. During my time in Canada >(a post-doc at McMaster) I got to know some of the NeXT of Canada people >fairly well, and would have a hard time describing them in anything but >superlatives. Really good people who know their business and are (sigh... >were :( a testimonial to the company. When you look at hte net and listen to >the scuttlebutt, you have to think NeXT did far better in Canada than the >US on a "per population" basis. There's a NeXT at every DMV in Alberta, >the police stations in York, etc. etc. BC is definitely a stronghold >and it's too bad all of these people have been let go. Whether selling >software or hardware NeXT could use them. All the NeXT employees have not* been let go. I don't know about the Eastern region guys, but our Western guys Scott Anderson, Ed Bryant and Pierre Durand are still here for now, and hopefully for good. (We did lose one, Pryce Harrison [sp?].) Considering the small size of the Canadian force, and the amount they accomplished, it would have been pretty incredible for them all to be let go. Unfortunately, the campus consultants have been cut loose, a lamentable decision on NeXT's part, I feel. (By the way, there isn't a NeXT at every MVD office in Alberta, not even close. But we're working on it! The roll-out is proceeding slowly, due to government funding limitations.) -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are easier royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | to write and run faster, too." or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | ad for OS/2 2.0
From: kramer@fragile.UUCP (Mike Andrews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing over TCP/IP (NON-PostScript) Distribution: world Message-ID: <731229691snx@fragile.UUCP> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 93 07:21:31 GMT Organization: Terminal Frost This is going to sound like a RTFM type question, but I've been R'ing all the FM's I can find... I've got a 386/40 running OS/2 2.0, with a Panasonic KX-P1124 printer and TCP/IP for OS/2. I want it to be the print server for my NeXTstation. The NeXT manuals are not very good on how to go about setting this mess up, and not knowing much about /etc/printcap dosen't help... So far I've tried adding a printer of type "IBM Proprinter X24" (or whatever) in the NeXT's PrintManager (this is NeXTstep 3.0), but it dosen't seem to have a selection for changing which host it's on -- it just sorta assumes it's a local printer. I've tried nidump'ing printcap, trying to edit it so it points to the other machine, and niload'ing it back, but then the NeXT just says "can't find printer" over and over. All I did to printcap inbetween was add an rm and rp line. Obviously, I'm a complete newbie to this. Can someone (by email, not by posting) step me though this mess bit by bit, or show me where it's hidden in the docs/FAQ's? (I've looked in both, and in all the release notes, but maybe I'm overlooking something...) I'm assuming the OS/2 end is set up OK, because I've been able to use "lpr -plpt1 -sos2hostname filename" from itself. Thanks much... mail responses to kramer@wittenberg.edu or fragile!kramer@ms.uky.edu please.. -- Mike Andrews school... kramer@wittenberg.edu (or kramer@wittenbg.bitnet) bedroom... root@fragile.uucp [NeXTmail OK] hometown... kramer@mik.uky.edu
From: info@rightbrain.com (RightBrain Software) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Message-ID: <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 4 Mar 93 07:52:31 GMT References: <1111@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: info@rightbrain.com Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain Software PasteUp version 2.0 50% off during March! We're running a special sale this month just for the installed base of NeXT users. You are pioneers, people of great imagination and independence, and you own one of the greatest computers ever made. We own quite a few of them, ourselves, and we're glad they're not PCs. We know there's a great future for NeXTSTEP and everything, but in the meantime, we want to share our hard work and our great product with you, the early adopters of this wonderful technology. 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From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Arbitron Message-ID: <1120@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 4 Mar 93 08:00:39 GMT References: <1099@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com John Bartley writes > [Arbitron doesn't work] > > It's probably a bad path, since I changed the location of my home directory > when I went to 3.0. But I haven't been able to find what it objects to (it > just dies with little or no messages.) Here's a guess. When you changed the location of your home directory, you probably made the change in NetInfo, but my guess is that Arbitron uses /etc/passwd to figure out where the user's home directories are. Try using "nidump" to make a shadow copy of /etc/passwd: nidump . passwd > /etc/passwd That might fix it. But hey, my brother wrote Arbitron, so it must be something you're doing, not the program itself :-) :-) -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can one concatenate ps files? Message-ID: <1121@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 4 Mar 93 08:00:53 GMT References: <1100@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com slugg jello writes > Anybody know if there's a way to concatenate .ps (postscript) files? The new update to PasteUp (our page layout application) allows you to drag-and-drop multiple-page PostScript files, and it will image them on multiple pages. This makes it very easy to concatenate .ps files as well as add additional text or graphics, fill out forms by locking the pages down and typing over them, and things like that. PasteUp also allows you to specify various options for the imported file, including: + lock each page image as it's imported + place page image in front of or behind existing images + scale page images as they're imported + center page images as they're imported The reason for these options is that, although you can do all these things with the images once they're imported, if you have a 30-page document that you're importing, it takes time to go back and center each one, scale it to 75%, and lock it in place. This feature is not yet available in the PasteUp that is shipping today, but should be available within a few weeks. Registered owners will get the update free. We've even tested the multiple-page PostScript import feature with files from QuarkXPress, Microsoft Word, and other Macintosh programs; you can drag and drop them directly from the Mac file system without any kind of conversion. Considering how poorly formed these files are (they won't even Preview correctly), we think this will be a great feature. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis LaFont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Date: 4 Mar 1993 08:33:38 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1n4et2INNade@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> The subject says it all... How can I print on a Mac a PS file genereted by a NeXT ? Thanks, Denis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Dictionary In-Reply-To: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu's message of 3 Mar 93 20:25:43 GMT To: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar3181139@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.93Mar1112646@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1993Mar03.202543.131672@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 22:11:39 GMT In article <1993Mar03.202543.131672@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes: HSD's product is a multi-language spell checker. It seems that while NS is a multi-language platform it doesn't include spell checkers for languages other than English. Yes, that is a little embarrasing. On the other hand, there are any number of foreign language word lists freely available and I've been using ispell with a few of them without any problems. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) Subject: Re: Sun on the Run - from Open Systems Today Message-ID: <1993Mar4.105157.1160@osf.org> Sender: news@osf.org (USENET News System) Organization: OSF RI Grenoble References: <1993Mar1.161139.25608@fnbc.com> <1993Mar02.130608.24030@cyantic.com> <1993Mar3.132018.25154@socrates.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 10:51:57 GMT In article <1993Mar3.132018.25154@socrates.umd.edu>, fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: |> |> I'll second this--we just got a Sparc 2 at the office (so I |> have been spared working with Solaris for now) and OpenLook |> drives me out screaming The articles I've read suggest that, whilst OpenLook may smell like a GUI it doesn't have the functionality. It's put in as a marketing gimmick so that Novell's Dysentry/UnderWare (TM) presents a user with more than just a shell when first installed. My experience confirms this view. Serious users would generally install an alternative Window Manager such as the product from IXI. (or NeXTSTEP if they ever get the chance). David. David.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: Viewing Post Script From Other Systems Message-ID: <1993Mar3.204124.7916@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1n0g7aINN6b7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 20:41:24 GMT Alexander T. Hay writes > The files were created and converted to post script using Microsoft > Word version 5.1 on a Macintosh SE30. We've tried using utilities > to strip all of the Apple libraries from the files but nothing > seems to work. Using the standard Apple LaserWriter driver, I assume? This driver generates fairly bad PostScript, and won't include the prolog it needs unless forced to. Use YAP (in /NextDevelop/Apps) to try and preview the PostScript, as that will at least tell you what the error was. Some of the printer-specific operators it is looking for can simply be defined away (i.e., /setjobtimeout {} def at the top of the file). > I was assuming that NeXT's software could open up any post script > file but I guess I was wrong. Well, PostScript is a device-independant language in general, but that doesn't prevent people from making it device-dependant or printer-dependant. Driver writers have traditionally not cared about previewing, and they are insulated by the "it must be problem with PostScript" automatic response. Doing things like assuming a pre-loaded prolog, or assuming the presence of certain printer-specific operators can easily make the generated PostScript code non-portable. <Sigh> I wish driver writers would care a little more about doing things correctly. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vanessa@quay.ie (Vanessa McGovern) Subject: Slab in trouble Summary: Any ideas why a NeXT colour slab might one day decide to die ? Message-ID: <4Mar.141646.35428@quay.ie> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 14:16:46 GMT Organization: Quay Financial Software Keywords: NeXT We have a colour slab which died last week or the week before. The machine won't power on (not even a kick) although all the peripherals have been checked. It is possible that there was a temporary power loss while the machine was switched on. Any ideas on what to do now ? What is the story on repairs to NeXT hardware now that it's collector-ware ? Thanks in advance -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vanessa Mc Govern Internet: vanessa@quay.ie Quay Financial Software Phone : +353-1-612377 Fax: +353-1-607592
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Need improvements! (Re: Does -NXHost work with NeXTMail?) Date: 4 Mar 1993 15:36:03 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1n57l3INNfud@ni.umd.edu> References: <C3CDxJ.AyH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Mar4.053309.21438@cs.yale.edu> In article <1993Mar4.053309.21438@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > >As a part-time PPP user (home NeXTstation linked to work >NeXTs), I've run into many aggravating problems with >certain Apps, and just problems in general doing things >that I feel should "just work". I agree. -NXHost really doesn't seem to work that well over low bandwidth connections. >To read NeXTmail from home I use NFS mounts of the spool >directory and the work account machine's Mailboxes >directory, which does what I want, but at the price of the >wicked performance hit of NFS over a serial line network >protocol. Several times a night I can be heard screaming and >banging the table in frustration as the "Compose" window >locks up on me because new email is incoming, and there I sit >until it finishes receiving it. So much for mach, the great >multi-threaded OS ;-( Same deal with a NewsGrazer posting window >when updates arrive every hour ;-( Another alternative that I've used in the past is to use a mail agent like Mark Crispin's MailManager applications which connects to an IMAP server on the remote system. This seems to have worked pretty well. Now, if NeXT would join the rest of the world and use MIME and instead of their own unique mail format, this would be useful for a greater number of mail messages.. Louis Mamakos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: je@MITL.COM (Jeffrey Esakov) Subject: Next 3.0 Docs Message-ID: <1993Mar4.145428.26557@MITL.COM> Originator: je@futomaki Sender: news@MITL.COM Organization: Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory, Princeton, NJ Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 14:54:28 GMT I'm looking for the ISBN numbers for the Next 3.0 Docs. Here's what I have so far. Can anyone fill in the blanks (I believe I am missing 2)? 0-201-62220-3 NeXTstep General Reference: Volume 1 0-201-62221-1 NeXTstep General Reference: Volume 2 0-201-63249-7 NeXTstep Development Tools and Techniques 0-201-63250-0 NeXTstep User Interface Guidelines 0-201-63253-5 NeXTstep Programming Interface Summary -- Jeffrey Esakov Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory | Email: je@mitl.com 182 Nassau Street, Third Floor | Phone: +1 609 497-4600 Princeton, NJ 08542-7072 USA | Fax: +1 609 497-4013
Newsgroups: andi.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Help! Need to borrow a color NeXT in Rome NY Message-ID: <C3DHq0.360@nextsrv1.andi.org> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 16:27:36 GMT Help! I'm trying to locate a *color* NeXT that I can use for ONLY a day or so to give a presentation in Rome, NY next week. We would even pay a rental fee if we could only find someone who'd lend us a machine! ANY info is appreciated. Please contact Tracy Brooks at tstaple@redwood.prc.com or (703) 556-1004. Thank you! -- Bill Chin, NeXTSTEP Developer, PRC Inc. VP Communications, Washington Area NeXT Users Group Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Technical Staff bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Message-ID: <1993Mar4.144903.21680@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 14:49:03 GMT In article <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> info@rightbrain.com (RightBrain Software) writes: [cool color RTF post deleted] -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 It sure is nice to see a little color in the world for a change. Hope you're wearing your asbesdos undees Glenn B^) -- Ronald Pomeroy CAM Applications Group Advanced Micro Devices Austin, Texas rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hubert@cubx.com (Hubert Delahaye) Subject: intuitiv'3d demo moved on cs.orst.edu Message-ID: <1993Mar4.094628.1840@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 09:46:28 GMT A few days ago, I announced that a demo with several images modeled and rendered with intuitiv'3d was available at cs.orst.edu in the pub/next/submissions directory. The demo files Intuitiv3d-Images-Demo.README.rtf Intuitiv3d-Images-Demo.tar have been moved and correct location on cs.orst.edu is now: pub/next/demos/graphics Do not hesitate to mail us your comments about these scenes ! Thanks, -- Hubert Delahaye Cub'X Systemes intuitiv@cubx.com Email/NeXTmail
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: russ@psych.toronto.edu (Russell Sutherland) Subject: printcap files and ppd files Message-ID: <1993Mar4.161326.3780@psych.toronto.edu> Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 16:07:47 GMT Does anyone have a printcap template entry that uses a ppd file and prints to a remote printer. I have not been able to enable the ppd stuff. Here is the printcap entry that does not work: ps6: \ :rm=utas:rp=ps6:lp=:ty=HP LaserJet IIID Postscript Cartridge: \ :_writers=*:note=Remote Printer:sd=/usr/spool/NeXT/ps6: \ :nxformat=3.0: \ :lo=/usr/spool/NeXT/ps6/lock: It seems that only the local printers setup with the Print Manager application seem to show the ppd options in the print dialogue box. E-mail responses would be appreciated. -- Russell Sutherland Bell: (416)-978-5140 Office of the Dean Uucp: ...{utzoo,utgpu}!utas!russ Faculty of Arts and Science Internet: russ@artsci.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mike@cd.com (Mike Heins) Subject: NOW SHIPPING for NeXT: scsiTerminal Servers Message-ID: <C3DIJ4.E9D@cd.com> Summary: Central Data's scsiTerminal Server now shipping for NeXT Keywords: scsi,terminal,modem,232,serial Organization: Central Data Corp. Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 16:45:04 GMT #### Central Data's scsiTerminal Server now shipping for NeXT Step 3.0 The scsiTerminal Server and scsiPrint Server allow NeXT users to add multiple modems, terminals, and printers to NeXT Station systems. Available since 1990 on Sun workstations, thousands of scsiTerminal Servers (STS) are shipping to Sun, HP, DEC, and IBM workstation users. Since the STS uses the highly-portable /dev/scsi device attachment, the port to NeXT Step/486 is expected to be trouble-free. NeXT users will be able to use the same scsiTerminal Server hardware on any NeXT Step System. Only Series 1000 scsiTerminal Servers are supported in the first release. This includes the following models: Serial Parallel List Educ. Model Ports Ports Price Price ------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ST-1002+ 2 1 $ 695 $ 521 SP-1003 - 3 795 596 ST-1008+ 8 1 995 746 ST-1016 16 - 1495 1121 All units include device driver, SCSI cable, power supply, and a one-year warranty. The device driver is easily installed with the NeXT Installer object, and allows up to 64 serial ports on a NeXT Station. Maximum port capacity can be increased if a second SCSI controller is available on the system. Other Central Data services include toll-free technical support, overnight hot-replacement, Lifetime Portability Insurance, and extended warranties. Call 800/482-0315 or 217/359-8010 for more information, or send email to info@cd.com. #### ______ ) ( (sm) / | Central Data Corporation The scsiSystems Company ( * | Internet: info@cd.com "We port hardware." \_ | 1602 Newton Dr., Champaign, IL 61821 \ | USA / / \/\/ 800/482-0315 or 217/359-8010 (FAX 6904)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) Subject: Educational DEMO ?? Message-ID: <1993Mar4.165109.23940@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 16:51:09 GMT In the a few days I will be demoing a NeXTstation Color to a group of Junior High students that are interested in computers. I would like to know if there are any dazzling apps, in the public domain, that can be demoed to show off computers. I am running 3.0 and have the full suite of NeXTStep developer software install. I am using most of Apps provide on the system. Any help would be appreciated. If this is the wrong place to ask this question, please forgive me. Thanks! Oscar ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks NASA, Real Time Systems Branch Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Mail Code: DL-DSD-24
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.harware From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: Mass Purchase Update #3 / Inaccuracies in Item #5 - Resolution & Configuration Message-ID: <C3DKtq.3qr@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI, Intel, NeXT, NeXTSTEP, Graphics Sender: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 17:34:31 GMT ANDI has confirmed that some of the information in item #5 of the Mass Purchase Update #3 is not correct. The information we listed elsewhere on graphics resolution is accurate, as is the list of systems in the "Systems Supported" section. Disregard item #5 entirely. Update #4 will go out this evening or early tommorrow with several new additions to the hardware supported in the first Beta release. Those of you who have not yet received Update #3, but requested a copy will receive update #4. Information on AC Powered portables will also be included. ANDI has been guaranteed the availability of hardware by certain vendors and our update lists the delivery periods for those vendors. We want to insure that you can get systems by March 15. -- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road reply to: bill@andi.org -- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: insignia@netcom.com (Insignia Solutions Inc.) Subject: SoftPC survey Message-ID: <1993Mar4.183058.23988@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 18:30:58 GMT Insignia Solutions would like to solicit your help in determining future ideas for our SoftPC product line. If we could indulge your patience - could you take some time and answer our following survey: 1) What kinds of controls would users like to have over your SoftPC configurations? 2) How would you like to exercise those controls? 3) What would you do with those controls that you can't do now? 4)What aspects of SoftPC configuration should be automatic? 5) What kinds of manual interactions would you like between SoftPC and the host environment? eg. Cut and Paste between MS-Windows and host apps? 6) What kinds of software-controlled interactions would you like between SoftPC and the host environment? eg. keystrokes? 7) What issues would be important in installing and configuring multiple SoftPCs on a network, and how are they different from standalone SoftPC? Thanks for your time. Marc Munford Marketing Manager Insignia Solutions Please send reponse to insigmv!marc@netcom.com -- *Sophia Jones insignia@netcom.com* Insignia Tech Support (415) 694-7694
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <QfZYmJa00hvQAovVt4@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 13:38:13 -0500 From: Denis.R.Dancanet@cs.cmu.edu Subject: Smalltalk on NeXT? Is there a Smalltalk running on NeXTs? Who makes it, how much is it? Please reply directly to me. Thanks, -Denis --------------------------------------------------------- Denis Dancanet ddr+@cs.cmu.edu (412) CMU-3075 Grad student, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon ---------------------------------------------------------
From: dadler@u.washington.edu (David A. Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Best Kept Secret: Sightings - UFN Date: 4 Mar 1993 19:35:14 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1n5lliINN8le@shelley.u.washington.edu> FLASH: Unidentified Flying NeXT in Science Received Feb 26 (vol.259) Science mag yesterday and right there on TOC page is a NeXT screen dump. Excitedly turning to page 1246 for the article titled "Instant Publication in Physics" and there, found on the right hand page, a photo of Paul Ginsparg of Los Alamos Labs, one of the players in the article, sitting next to his NeXT. On the opposite page a screen dump showing NeXT Mail window, what looks like NeXT Gopher client window, partially covered, and part of a previewed TeX document. Nice article about electronic publication and distribution. And surprisingly no mention of what exactly is that nifty computer being graphically exploited. This is even to the point of photo cropped just above NeXT logo on bottom of monitor and screen dump cropped so as to not show dock. Now to be perfectly fair the article is not about hardware or operating systems but Ginsparg is quoted to have said: "What surprised him (in 1991), was that such a system was immediately realizable... driven by the revolution in desktop work stations and inexpensive disk storage." I can't help but think that NeXT has played role in such revolution and deserves atleast mention somewhere in article. -- David A. Adler Pathology SM-30 University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 543-0716 (phone) (206) 543-3644 (fax) "Science is nothing but trained and organized common sense" T.H.Huxley
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: nomination for all-time worst icon Date: 4 Mar 1993 19:21:19 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1n5krgINN89b@gap.caltech.edu> I just got the new SoftPC Professional, and in preferences is the worst icon I've ever seen. Select Info Preferences..., slide over to Autoflush, and press it. You will see a new autoflush button under it that has some sort of unidentifiable creature holding what appears to be some large card like objects. The icon on that button is my nomination for the worst icon ever. By the way, SoftPC comes on CD. They didn't mention that when I ordered it, and if I didn't happen to have a CD-ROM drive, I would be pretty peeved about now ... Lest it seem like I'm only complaining, SoftPC Pro seems to work fine, and it has some nice features like being able to use PC CD's. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hac@nexus.inesc.pt (Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro) Subject: A better Date than Date : does it exist ? Message-ID: <HAC.93Mar4201443@nexus.inesc.pt> Sender: usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System) Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL Distribution: comp Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 20:14:43 GMT Hi NeXT'ers Does any of you know a better "Date" program than the one distributed with NeXTSTEP (also named "Date") ? tks in adv, -- Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro @ INESC [Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores] CCAE [Centro de Comunicacoes em Ambientes Empresariais] Avenida Duque d'Avila 23, 1000 Lisboa, -PORTUGAL. Phone.: +351 1 3100070 Fax.: +351 1 3100008 e-mail: hac@inesc.pt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heinle@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (Glenn Heinle) Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Message-ID: <C3DFKw.Jsu@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC References: <1n4et2INNade@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 15:41:19 GMT In article <1n4et2INNade@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis LaFont) writes: > > The subject says it all... > > How can I print on a Mac a PS file genereted by a NeXT ? > > Thanks, > > Denis Also, is it possible to print to a Mac printer using the AppleTalk client software? Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrb@earth.wustl.edu (Mike Bray) Subject: Multiuser/networked games query Message-ID: <1993Mar4.200626.11679@wuecl.wustl.edu> Sender: usenet@wuecl.wustl.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 20:06:26 GMT I'm looking for pointers to free or commercial games that take advantage of networked NeXTs running 3.0. Is there a networked version of Void? Thanks, Mike Bray 307-332-1279
From: x4y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Steven Kenneth Besler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Send me some NeXTMail! Date: 4 Mar 1993 12:27:46 -0800 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <1n5oo2INNo4v@gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca> Hey all you NeXT users out there! My next is not hooked up to the net, and I am experimenting with retreaving NeXTMail from one of my UNIX accounts. I can successfully do it manually, but for some mysterious reason it won't work properly when I try to fully automate the process. Anyway, it would be much appreciated if a bunch of you can send me some nice little NeXTmail letters! Please don't send me anything too huge, (they will be downloaded at 2400 bps) but please, everybody send me something!!!! Steven Besler ASCII mail: x4y092@rick.cs.ubc.ca *****NeXT mail ******** =====-----> besler@gafs.geop.ubc.ca PS. Oh and if anyone is a C-Kermit script wizard, send me your name since I would really like to ask you some questions. PPS. I can only receive NeXTMail, I can't send it yet.... When I get things going I'll try to send you all a response. PPPS. Yeah, I know I could use UUCP, but this method fits my budget. It costs me $0.00
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gtoews@fulford.UVic.CA (Greg Toews) Subject: Re: nomination for all-time worst icon Message-ID: <1993Mar4.201107.6608@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria References: <1n5krgINN89b@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 20:11:07 GMT Mark Adler writes > > By the way, SoftPC comes on CD. They didn't mention that when I > ordered it, and if I didn't happen to have a CD-ROM drive, I would > be pretty peeved about now ... > > Lest it seem like I'm only complaining, SoftPC Pro seems to work > fine, and it has some nice features like being able to use PC CD's. > > Mark Adler > madler@cco.caltech.edu One question I have is what is the difference between the two versions they are selling? I realize that one comes with Windoze but is the other one capable of running Windows? Could I install my own copy of Windows on the version that does not come with Windows? Are there any features added to the Windows version? Greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gtoews@fulford.UVic.CA (Greg Toews) Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Message-ID: <1993Mar4.201831.7106@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria References: <C3DFKw.Jsu@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 20:18:31 GMT Glenn Heinle writes > In article <1n4et2INNade@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu > (Denis LaFont) writes: > > > > The subject says it all... > > > > How can I print on a Mac a PS file genereted by a NeXT ? > > > Also, is it possible to print to a Mac printer using the AppleTalk client > software? > > Glenn I use a utility called SendPS on the Mac once I've got the file on disk via Apple File Exchange. I can't remember where I got it from but I do have it if anyone wants it. If you have System 7 on the mac there is supposed to be a program that comes with the OS that does this. It may be one of those programs that are not automatically installed with System 7 (ie. comes on a supplemental disk or something) The program would be found in some printer or font related folder.
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: archive location of updated Mouse-X Message-ID: <7862@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 4 Mar 93 16:57:25 GMT Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Distribution: usa Sorry--I assumed that it would be obvious that, since I gave no name for my archive, people would realize it is my machine. My assumption was wrong. :-) It *is* on my machine: foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (128.111.92.30) -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nomination for all-time worst icon Date: 4 Mar 1993 21:31:41 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1n5sftINNbe4@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1n5krgINN89b@gap.caltech.edu> Here's the actual icon. View it at your own peril. mark begin 444 flushOn.tiff.Z M'YV039H`4`$`@`0$!1,J7,BPH4,%`!8`>#"Q(L6+%C-2E.BPH\>/($%B'*FQ M),F3(5.J7&FR)<J7)2&RG,G2@<N;,'-6I,GS(TJ'-H/B'$JQI]&$)!/>>=13 MY\^C/),2:4)%H,JI51>2%/H4ZDJ*#JRU,=8%@%``9MP4/*,6J%FQ!55YJ1A4 M;DNO-<UV<[/.S=Z^9-K>\<.P[U^_:FT"2,;74T('C,V6Q+LRZ#8WS-Q,>"?! M&R)'[]XM+1@9`"L_(MQMOBP9`"<W[#PIFNO@M>2DE%.>-=S6G3M__^[\.?0G M,VDWROQ<WJL0E9=UKB0+M8D[MVZ'@1S5\+'T-::V<DLW?QZ]X'09/R9;OZZX MX.?0Q!E_+YW+"^/[;IR+3Q@9YOK*!86&B`=+X?''=XFX4=ILSMD&P&P%B;!" M0=!MXYA__X5$7#5=6--A&X,1=]PN;3%VF7,AK""""E5L01:'ZSA6$(89?F3@ M:`"$5I"!9FTWQ5SFU1>>&Z])L()8C-G&E7HU?M1>0NR\LQ!D;=6738F->>BA M>-1I)((&3:JD6#/=3-,#,2WP\TYIS33#33>BK&!F;-`EF9\7L_7'9)@@!?6F M*"K$L@*@L@P:Z`K4M&`FFOC%Z-QC`#1P%Y]B7ODFF=2<J:BFF;8YY&O.?7KG MI)2"Y%L53G33##IOM&EFHF:V^29^^B7&V*.27O1EJ2GYYELG;8&TWY3.S99* M>;S.U,`(+LC@`K,R^`#ML\U*VRRUT4X+K;4%X=+&L9K(*`*0R3+$K$)%.,%3 M-"Z@JRX`WH9;R3]2>%,*O=[P*8@[@;BS;[_"B9@0%4Y(XT$P+ABLT#0O2/," M0P:SFZX47A#QKD*EO&/).R&X46\4WGR<[U%B>#-%R.Z<7')!2Q'A1;H*(3R3 M-.T"X'()0(I@;;0NI[NQ)?]L/._&]1;M#D@EUUORQADS+:7-3A!<$,$64QVU M$Q8K!$T'(&4=DL5.A_U.T^^`S)`N[DCA#M-!OS/TTSV_&PW7";G,D-T?29/> MP%[,'8RD"?D-N,MOWRMTVX:7?30`:)--MD)57PS`UM$T,'=!7E\.M4<.,SRU M%R6X\/?6,3=`.M164^&%XQJ/W3K:;P.],>8O2^Y0,'07!#,`FN]^ND.[.^0W MW7A#7GM!L?_#^L:1*Z2P2E(O%'U!OTOO1/4.39_0Z'3[[/K/8[<];_&\Y\X2 M^;Z;[[G-H(O>@>;`VUX^[K0G/N_R[WA=T-\\>;VU]LY[V.;*!Y+H\8]WENL` MP?!WN)^U+7A'V5VZ9*6J;EA0(:I+"?F&YZX&:DQYK<.?_GJB/8NIZE+-^%SH MS."..BS.(2.\FQ/$1C:V>?!>Y./)[N;F,@NVZ73I8J$`G"$!"W:C(!'H1A%W MV`'Z)<1[A1,?"&D8PG<`D"9>LQ@%3T<P%T;`&TF\@INZ$8%F)#%ZE6.(ZO!7 M0[>U379N=&`.&U(&=[#P;D!RV9N,AS,A>J--2213$HW0#`ABT`O)\R#0V%A% MYLE/(5^,)!A'AD&L.2%&F/2$Q5CX14*^J8R?;$;FS+?&1G[OE#:,8_@VAK:- M&1(`7J0D`))XQX2TXQ&8=(4[<.F*7'ZQ(-YX1Q(#8,9NN$QPGXLB,]ZA"L1) MD9%.0QO:KLA""+QPEI-4B#O^$*-M0B>3N8Q1,]XAQA#`37[>RY@JWL$-9IZR MC8ETXQC<(4UWC(]<"0F`._0)26<PQ)NZ_,,MZ>0*"T$G-NYBB/>`)@1W--.! MBISB.ULG!WK:JXK:BZ4D?YF0=7SAFY[HQR.V*5)P>@(ZE>S@.QHJA(M246RI M5.8[6KG*=[RRCE\<(@LCY@)A>,"CM]QE4`7ZB+AYE'8^I1GM&GI#*<94HOAK M9^-,&<.O72UC),7E27OI"7U\@6`\G9H3H#E1F*H2CO,:)S.<^D&\(<Q@2EU( MW#8VAK;5=0KO&.HMY^@RM+Z1K7[=F`Q<0=9V+I.18/4`NR!WU2J.X1UB>,=C M)PM9R;HN@W6;85DWF[%Z#7:=3V6E.Y:YUM"&#V]S5:7]VG:&?^#UKI)UK1M3 M&\6F'JY>NOC'.IL9J0`49`#Y!``,"A(`WP*7N,(EK@``<%P`$*`@$E!%`(#; M7-_Z%@`!,`!S@[M<[$;`N<$M"`("4('M(O>YV+T`>)%K$.R"J0#AE8`L`K`! M`,"7O1+010`X8%[L^A>[*.BO;[L;`"D(^+\%N8`0P/O<!@-``?P`1$%.`($' M1WC"%2Z748#@D0!``@`8<`@("``$(8``!`QA030$P`06H'@A.6B#"+"@@^%. MJ0>R8`=_&V(!60`"%@[1A3S2`0Q@,&0`IA"%*%8AX85H`!.B^(8F&D("8D!! M%>H0L0B4@0J'7,,16]!%DQ=2C4(H`1H.*845U*&*,2=D`+K01#J2T9`'2!@0 M"G!S0PBR$`)D.`@J((-"*H")"@0"")0`0"4H0-PJE`"]1:B`%4H!A5EB(@(1 MN"YV,P&)!)BA"!```A`"0&(CF*$,*8`$!#YL7T,7(@.9,$4AG(MI`$`@`$0H M@`DRD6$(5/C7$,B`&3CL7`@0@`JVIH`9,G%=`D`"O9B.=:6Q^P%X<#@(05@V MJZ<;#V00-Q-F$'1Z@S$`$%#``LO.1$(,$(W)!1O<I@""``!Q!`)P(!AH,44F MU`U=</`W$/LV@QF@@.(=[(()!#""&I:M"32#P`7N8$>N71%K,Y"B(`O8!RX@ M@&Z&9P(A$&<'!"(0<#6400!9V,(_L$`%*P@\$Y[@=P%<D8Y([!O<J_@T$*IP M!7H8P!1F*`7,]QV`3%0A"T7/A"3,L(9PN[P,5G"Y&=2@D!_\XQ_\J//5K]X0 MJV\='@S9^M6SOI!_`$#L"QD`/(P\@*L;^<WS`#L/K`[V-_^#&<#X!]T5TO9Y MM)T'_ZC[;Z\^`[T'GN_/^,$\^+%WA0!#\<"8Q^$5`H]_2#[O@B](X><A^<DG MY`?\Z/P/,@\`'CRC\YXO"`Q@,(]G\"/U`&#`/YZQ];<C9>N73[O8_V'[P:-= M*T9^?.]G)/8?V#@A#+#Q,$!?=<8/(^]Y)WO;?\"`@B3^ZF#'NN2'$?N)8/T! MLX=!D0?P@&'07N_P@`<_\/Z`'YA_Z\^(_0QF(-P!,*/]@3?RZH'!`^$"_A_< M)W^RYW]7%X`,``\,P`P`,`->5W<#,'I&-@S#,':_]0"+!P#``'Y8]UN*IW=S MMW4)<7I7!P->QWL#``S/H(%G5WL/``]>QP\3^'4\\(&T=W[8-X->=W]BQP\/ MP`#@QP\DN'L/P'A8!P.[]P]M-W:OMWM&IH&H!W]Y]WU'^`\:2(5'N(1'V%N_ M%5PV5EP'UH7+U5S+-8;3=6#7E5UF2%S?A5X`T%T70`[D=6`$IEYLZ(;L$`#O M%5X70`_T95]ZR`_[)8?$%6#5U8;$96"%J&D+(0'"4!`5T%T"0&R1:&%-1F&4 "B&$7 ` end
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: SoftPC survey Message-ID: <1993Mar4.215747.25463@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1993Mar4.183058.23988@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 21:57:47 GMT I'm sorry, but as I'm an infrequent user of your software, I don't think I could give a good suggestion. However, I did want to say that you have an *amazing* piece of software. Whenever I *do* need it, it works perfectly. Every time I use it (I'm a software engineer myself), it makes me wonder at the job you people pulled off. And I never have to reboot. Please keep up the good work! - darcy (And keep with NeXTSTEP!) In article <1993Mar4.183058.23988@netcom.com> insignia@netcom.com (Insignia Solutions Inc.) writes: >Insignia Solutions would like to solicit your help in determining future >ideas for our SoftPC product line. If we could indulge your patience - could >you take some time and answer our following survey: > > >1) What kinds of controls would users like to have over your SoftPC >configurations? > >2) How would you like to exercise those controls? > >3) What would you do with those controls that you can't do now? > >4)What aspects of SoftPC configuration should be automatic? > >5) What kinds of manual interactions would you like between SoftPC and the >host environment? eg. Cut and Paste between MS-Windows and host apps? > >6) What kinds of software-controlled interactions would you like between >SoftPC and the host environment? eg. keystrokes? > >7) What issues would be important in installing and configuring multiple >SoftPCs on a network, and how are they different from standalone SoftPC? > >Thanks for your time. > >Marc Munford >Marketing Manager >Insignia Solutions > >Please send reponse to insigmv!marc@netcom.com > >-- > >*Sophia Jones insignia@netcom.com* Insignia Tech Support (415) 694-7694
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: SoftPC Products (was Re: nomination for all-time worst icon) Message-ID: <1993Mar4.223131.1016@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. References: <1993Mar4.201107.6608@sol.UVic.CA> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 22:31:31 GMT In article <1993Mar4.201107.6608@sol.UVic.CA> gtoews@fulford.UVic.CA (Greg Toews) writes: [ about the new SoftPC products ] > Could I install my own copy of Windows on the version that does not come > with Windows? Are there any features added to the Windows version? > One difference will be that you won't have the special drivers that make windows run faster. If they're available separately from Insignia, it'd be great. I already own a copy of Windows, and don't want to buy another one just to have the SoftPC windows drivers. Anyone know if Insignia's willing to give those out to people who own SoftPC Professional and a personal copy of Windows 3.1? Matthew --
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Gotham Users of NeXT March Meeting - Wednesday, March 10th Message-ID: <6937@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 4 Mar 93 22:15:21 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Gotham Users of NeXT - New York City When: Wednesday, March 10th Where: Electronic Directions, 220 East 23rd Street, Suite 503 Questions to GUN at 718-260-9848 or info@gun.com AGENDA..... I. Q&A - 6:30PM Questions. Answers. News. II. What's Next at NeXT? - Part II - 7:00PM There will be an open forum to discuss what's going on at NeXT. Meaning the past, present, and future of the NeXT. The forum will include a panel comprised of NeXT people and Industry leader's in the New York area. III. Have Your Picture Captured - 7:00PM There will be a NeXT machine setup with a VCR camera to capture your image. Just bring your body and a floppy along. You can use this to circulate to people for your Mail image. IV. Raffle A copy of Garfinkel and Mahoney book will raffled off. By far the best book about NeXTSTEP Programming. It is autographed! Electronic Directions 220 East 23rd Street, Suite 503 212-213-6500 Questions to GUN at 718-260-9848 or info@gun.com
Control: cancel <1993Mar4.215747.25463@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: cmsg cancel <1993Mar4.215747.25463@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <1993Mar4.225205.27266@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Originator: samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1993Mar4.183058.23988@netcom.com> <1993Mar4.215747.25463@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 22:52:05 GMT <1993Mar4.215747.25463@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> was cancelled from within rn.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: I'm feeling paranoid today... Message-ID: <1993Mar4.225733.27624@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 22:57:33 GMT If ya know The Lord of the Rings... Three rings for UNIX kings, under USL Seven rings for the Mac lords, with their System 7 Nine rings for vapor Pink, doomed to die One OS to rule them all, one OS to find them, One OS to take them all, and in the darkness bind them In the depths of Redmond, where the shadows lie. (No offense, Jeff (Henshaw) ;-) I'm just afraid of Bill.) - db
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris (Chris Larson) Subject: Re: Slab in trouble Message-ID: <C3DyDu.15L@oceania.com> Sender: chris@oceania.com (Chris Larson) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems References: <4Mar.141646.35428@quay.ie> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 22:27:29 GMT Vanessa McGovern writes > We have a colour slab which died last week or the week before. The > machine won't power on (not even a kick) although all the peripherals > have been checked. It is possible that there was a temporary power > loss while the machine was switched on. > > Any ideas on what to do now ? > What is the story on repairs to NeXT hardware now that it's > collector-ware ? > Sounds like the typical burned out power supply problem. It's an easy fix, if you can get one... Chris -- Chris Larson <==> chris@oceania.com <==> NeXT Mail is cool Oceania Health Care Systems Palo Alto, CA The Software Ranch Park City, UT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Educational DEMO ?? Message-ID: <tlm.731285574@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Mar4.165109.23940@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 22:52:54 GMT In <1993Mar4.165109.23940@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) writes: >In the a few days I will be demoing a NeXTstation Color to a group of >Junior High students that are interested in computers. I would like >to know if there are any dazzling apps, in the public domain, that >can be demoed to show off computers. I am running 3.0 and have the >full suite of NeXTStep developer software install. I am using most of >Apps provide on the system. Any help would be appreciated. >If this is the wrong place to ask this question, please forgive me. No, this is probably a perfect place to ask such a question! Given that you have a color system I would start by recommending that you show them (1) The Mandelbrot.app thing. Sure it's completely standard, but some of the colors are really beautiful, and you can jazz it up by explaining some of the underlying ideas. Note tht there are some "built in" color choices and places to look at "Valley of Fear" etc., that are quite nice, so you don't have to just hunt and peck. (2) If you have Mathematica you could prepare some code which generates attractive Plot3D examples. Some of the higher spherical harmonics are quite nice, and watching a fairly complicated one render (the *entire* function renders, usually in a sort of inside out fashion) is pretty interesting. Again, you can make this educational by explaining a it about the nature of such functions and why people need to visualize them. (3) You might want to do some things with the 3D kit. Get Steve Ludtke's plot3d application off of the archives and have it render a few plots. Rememebr that rendering is fairly slow, so have something to talk about while it proceeds. (4) Obviously you **have** to show them Xoxeroids. But don't show it to them until last because that's all they'll care about :) Shooting up the universe is a fundamental desire of all high school students (and at least one aging theoretical physicist I know :) If you need more specific information on any of these options contact me by E-mail (for example,I have some fairly fun Mma plotting code sitting around in a notebook somewhere). Hope this is Helpful --- Tom
Message-ID: <a%$@byu.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 19:01:48 MST From: yackd@idaho.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Oxyd question Just curious...has anyone out there completed level 100 in Oxyd? If you have, I'm stuck at getting past the second "lock" icon... (On like the 14th screen or so.) How do you get past it? The key from the 3rd screen doesn't do the trick, and neither does dynamite. Later, -Don_Yacktman@byu.edu (Yes, I like to play games as well as write them... :) )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Message-ID: <1993Mar5.022133.2225@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Mar4.144903.21680@dvorak.amd.com> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 02:21:33 GMT In article <1993Mar4.144903.21680@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) writes: > [cool color RTF post deleted] > It sure is nice to see a little color in the world for a > change. Hope you're > wearing your asbesdos undees Glenn B^) IMO there's nothing cool about a post that blows NewsGrazer into color mode, screwing it up for the rest of the session. At least Glenn marked it as RTF, and only posted to one group, for which I commend him, sort of, I guess. In the meantime, I'll begin looking into an RFD for biz.next.marketplace, where such commercial postings would not only belong but be *welcomed*. As cool as PasteUp, Create, and other apps may be, we as a site continue to have great difficulty purchasing from vendors that post commercial advertisements to these groups (except announce, of course). This situation should be as unsatisfactory to those losing income as it is to us. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Message-ID: <C3ECAz.DKM@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1n4et2INNade@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 03:28:11 GMT In article <1n4et2INNade@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cs438@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Denis LaFont) writes: > >The subject says it all... > >How can I print on a Mac a PS file genereted by a NeXT ? There are several ways. One is to use SendPS2.0 (you need to take the LasWriter driver out of the Extensions' folder and leave it in the system folder. [ ] -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Message-ID: <C3ECKn.Dst@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1n4et2INNade@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <C3DFKw.Jsu@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 03:33:58 GMT In article <C3DFKw.Jsu@ra.nrl.navy.mil> heinle@cmf.nrl.navy.mil writes: [ ] > >Also, is it possible to print to a Mac printer using the AppleTalk client >software? Yes, but you are better off getting IPT's uPrint. If your Mac printer is not on Ethertalk you with need either Liason, Apple's Internet Rounter( both sw) or a hardware router. Farallon has a new product which will also work (they make Liason). -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: eric@steggie.ogi.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Femi 17" Color displays (N4001) Message-ID: <1993Mar5.021349.1254@steggie.mtview.ca.us> Date: 5 Mar 93 02:13:49 GMT Article-I.D.: steggie.1993Mar5.021349.1254 Sender: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us Distribution: usa Organization: Mountain View, Ca USA Can the original NeXT N4001 17" color monitor (Femi) be used with any other systems other than NeXT's? I understand that the Femi monitor was tweaked/designed to accommodate NeXT's particular scan rate. What other systems might it be compatible with? If the monitor can be used with other systems (mac's IBM's, Sun's ...) What if anything needs to be done to adjust the monitor to get it to work properly? Thanks -- eric -------------------------------------------------------------- | Eric Fronberg | email: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us | | Mountain View CA | ...!{sun,sgi,ultra}!steggie!eric | | 415 967-2748 | vmail: "Hey, you!" | --------------------------------------------------------------
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Message-ID: <1128@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 5 Mar 93 04:38:49 GMT References: <1993Mar4.201831.7106@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Greg Toews writes Glenn Heinle writes > > How can I print on a Mac a PS file genereted by a NeXT ? > I use a utility called SendPS on the Mac once I've got the file on disk > via Apple File Exchange. I can't remember where I got it from but > I do have it if anyone wants it. Heh heh heh. Look in the "Info" panel of SendPS for grins. :-) Kinda like gum stuck to the bottom of your shoe.... -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: nomination for all-time worst icon Message-ID: <C3EE9G.2yq@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1n5krgINN89b@gap.caltech.edu> <1n5sftINNbe4@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 04:10:27 GMT In <1n5sftINNbe4@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: >Here's the actual icon. View it at your own peril. >mark [icon data deleted] That's the most unprofessional looking icon that I've ever seen on the NeXT! Oh well, it is sort of humorous though. I'll hang on to it to show others. I don't want to insult the artistic ability of the creator, but in his defence, I'd say that he was in a hurry. ;-) -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca Unix Support Group (NeXT Mail Welcome) University of Manitoba Computer Services "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
From: dlisoski@bluff.galcit.caltech.edu (Derek L. Lisoski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Icon.app Questions Date: 5 Mar 1993 06:30:09 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: na Message-ID: <1n6s1hINNo7k@gap.caltech.edu> A couple of questions about using Icon.app (the patched version, actually): 1) Some time back I think there was a compendium of hints and tips for using Icon somewhere - does anybody have it or know where I can get it? 2) How do I get Icon to save a 4 bit greyscale tiff image in actual 4 bit resolution, as opposed to saving a 2 bit dithered image at 4bits/pixel (which is not scalable, and wastes the top two bits)? Thanks derek dlisoski@cco.caltech.edu
From: wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 'at' command not working under 3.0??? Message-ID: <1993Mar5.074223.27029@netcom.com> Date: 5 Mar 93 07:42:23 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) I have a turbocolor w/3.0. This command used to work under 2.2. % at 2336 at> cu 5551212 at> <ctrl-d> % Now, crontab runs "atrun" as root every minute. But after this is supposed to run, I get the following e-mail back: > Return-Path: <root> > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 23:36 PST > To: eric > > The job you submitted to at, "stdin", exited abnormally. > A list of the errors that occurred follows: > > /usr/spool/at/past/93.062.2336.98: 3406 Bus error > > ----------------- > The Atrun Program 3406 Bus error? Any ideas????? P.S. I've tried running any kind of program under 'at' as well (i.e. not stdin) and it still fails... Eric wipeout@netcom.com
From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn,andi.dcom,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Looking for ISDN BRI users (preferably using NeXTSTEP OS) Keywords: ISDN,BRI,NeXTSTEP,ANDI,TA Message-ID: <C3EpxH.8E1@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: 5 Mar 93 08:22:29 GMT Sender: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International ANDI has been using BRI ISDN on a limited basis since August 1992. We are looking for people to help us conduct "trials" for a study we are doing. We would like to hear from anyone who has BRI ISDN installed that would be willing to allow us to call them and for them to call us. This is a data application, but we are interested in how one can set up a voice call and transmit data. Ideal candidates would be NeXTSTEP users and be using MCI, our long distance carrier. We are particulary interested in those NeXTSTEP users who purchased the Hayes ISDN Extender, anyone using the Hayes ISDN Adapter, anyone using the UDS TA120, and anyone who is using or about to buy the new Adtran ISU 128. -- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, MD 20901-2730 reply to: bill@andi.org -- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) Subject: More ISVs needed !! Message-ID: <C3EM2F.Byn@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <1993Feb28.052332.17776@cs.yale.edu> <1993Mar2.000236.7804@metrosoft.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 06:59:01 GMT gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: >In article <1993Feb28.052332.17776@cs.yale.edu> >nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: STUFF DELETED >this issue. It seems more constructive than simply boycotting >a few vendors that are trying to survive and bring forth products into ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >this arena. >Gordon I think commercial posts are fine, and really there isn't a whole lot of them (wish there were). Quabid
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Patrick Stein) Subject: ZyXEL && NeXT == answering_machine && data_modem Keywords: ZyXEL,io,serial line,answerin machine,modem,NeXT Sender: news@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (News System) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 13:36:37 GMT Message-ID: <C3F4H1.Kz5@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> HiHo ! I added data connection capability to my answering- machine for the ZyXEL 1496 [plus] modem. The new source is available via ftp at : "ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de" file : "/pub/next/Comm/Answering_Machine.0.99.5.tar.Z" If you don't have ftp access you can mail me to get the prg. ioctl(fd,TIOCCDTR,NULL) - jolly --- ======================================================= Jolly alias Patrick Stein = jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de Centrum fuer Informations und Sprachverarbeitung der Ludwig Maximilians Universitaet Muenchen Tel: ++49 +89 -36 40 72 (priv) +89 -950 57 34 "Every day u don't smile is a wasted day P) " C.Chaplin =======================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) Subject: Re: Sun on the Run - from Open Systems Today Message-ID: <1993Mar5.133440.3873@osf.org> Sender: news@osf.org (USENET News System) Organization: OSF RI Grenoble References: <1993Mar1.161139.25608@fnbc.com> <1993Mar02.130608.24030@cyantic.com> <1993Mar3.132018.25154@socrates.umd.edu> <1993Mar4.105157.1160@osf.org> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 13:34:40 GMT In article <1993Mar4.105157.1160@osf.org>, I wrote: |> The articles I've read suggest that, whilst OpenLook may smell like a GUI it |> doesn't have the functionality. I wish to apologise for this statement... I wanted to contrast the desktop manager delivered with USL's UnixWare with the NeXTSTEP 'user' environment, two complete U*NIXs, the Novell/USL product being less expensive. I have unjustly and irrelevantly maligned the OpenLook toolkit in the process. I hope this has not lead anyone to draw any incorrect conclusions about the functionality of OpenLook in contrast to other offerings such as Motif. David.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joel@berlioz.nsc.com (Joel Kaneshiro) Subject: NeXT cube for sale Message-ID: <1993Mar4.192921.13772@berlioz.nsc.com> Sender: news@berlioz.nsc.com (UseNet News account) Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation, Santa Clara References: <1993Feb24.215551.16453@dakota.hsd.com> <1993Feb27.041845.7334@cs.yale.edu> <1993Feb27.065737.1549@macc.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 19:29:21 GMT For Sale: Next Cube 030, 8 MB RAM, 330 MB HD, OD, complete with Starter Kit, kybd, mouse, MegaPixel display, 2.1 System software installed (educator edition). Also includes the following software on three individual optical disks: Communique telecom (unregistered) FrameMaker (unregistered) System software v2.1 And on floppies: Allegro CL 3.1 Mathematica 2.0 Sybase SQL All for $ 3,000 plus shipping UPS COD Insured. Serious Offers considered. For more information, please call me on (415) 688-0636, or send mail to 75435.446@CompuServe.COM ---M3 Sweatt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Driving an Apple OneScanner Message-ID: <1993Mar4.235422.2294@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 23:54:22 GMT I need some NeXT software that can drive an Apple Mono scanner. Anyone done this? -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: mddoyle@door.Princeton.EDU (Mark D. Doyle) Subject: Re: Best Kept Secret: Sightings - UFN Message-ID: <1993Mar4.203956.5765@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1n5lliINN8le@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 20:39:56 GMT In article <1n5lliINN8le@shelley.u.washington.edu> dadler@u.washington.edu writes: >FLASH: Unidentified Flying NeXT in Science > >Received Feb 26 (vol.259) Science mag yesterday and right there on TOC >page is a NeXT screen dump. Excitedly turning to page 1246 for the article >titled "Instant Publication in Physics" and there, found on the right hand >page, a photo of Paul Ginsparg of Los Alamos Labs, one of the players in >the article, sitting next to his NeXT. On the opposite page a screen dump >showing NeXT Mail window, what looks like NeXT Gopher client window, >partially covered, and part of a previewed TeX document. Nice article >about electronic publication and distribution. > >And surprisingly no mention of what exactly is that nifty computer being >graphically exploited. This is even to the point of photo cropped just >above NeXT logo on bottom of monitor and screen dump cropped so as to not >show dock. Now to be perfectly fair the article is not about hardware or >operating systems but Ginsparg is quoted to have said: "What surprised him >(in 1991), was that such a system was immediately realizable... driven by >the revolution in desktop work stations and inexpensive disk storage." >I can't help but think that NeXT has played role in such revolution and >deserves atleast mention somewhere in article. > >-- >David A. Adler Pathology SM-30 >University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195 >(206) 543-0716 (phone) (206) 543-3644 (fax) >"Science is nothing but trained and organized common sense" >T.H.Huxley Paul Ginsparg is well-known in the high energy physics theory world for his efforts to get people to abdandon their antiquated systems and move into the modern age. He first set up an electronic preprint bulletin board for HEP theory preprints that has revolutionized the way that this brand of physics is communicated. Since then he has made the software available to several other physics disciplines so that they too can have preprint distribution systems. The latest additon is the mentor.lanl.gov gopher server that makes all of this transparently accessible. It is quite amazing how much resistance there has been to these new developments.There was an article about all of this in Physics Today magazine in January 1992 (I think) and then many negative letters the next month and then a very good response by Paul in April. He has very little patience for people who complain that they can't easily uncompress and untar the preprints on their VMS systems or deal with ASCII files. His universal response is to spend a few grand on a UNIX workstation (never metnions NeXT, but that is what he has in mind). In fact, one of the places where NeXT was making very good inroads was in the physics theory communities. Paul had set up the Harvard group with a complete network of NeXTs and many theorists at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Chicago, and other places have bought their own personal NeXTs. They really are perfectly suited for those of us who don't do heavy computational computing because they come with TeX, Mathematica (for edu), and relatively simple networking. I consider it the best purchase I ahve made in a very long time. So I was somewhat saddened when NeXT stopped making their machines because they were perfectly suited to our community. But I am confident that as NeXTSTEP becomes even more widely available that more and more people in these kinds of communties will turn to it. I just hope these kinds of markets aren't lost due to the corporate mission-critical apps emphasis. Now that I have moved to a place where VMS and VT100 terminals are the standard, I have a lot of fun exposing others to the powers of NeXTSTEP and the sleek balck hardware that runs it. Mark Doyle, Physicist who loves his NeXT mdd@zeke.rockefeller.edu NeXTMail more than gladly accepted.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmeacham@world.std.com (James Meacham) Subject: 2 MB SIMMS in an older slab? Message-ID: <C3F956.J37@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 15:17:29 GMT Hola! I'm thinking about upgrading the memory in my 8 meg/8 slot NeXTstation. Does anyone know if I'm limited to only 1 and 4 meg chips? It'd be a lot cheeper for me to use 2 meg chips, if that is possible. THanks in advance, James MEacham
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: nomination for all-time worst icon Message-ID: <1993Mar5.162025.9272@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1n5krgINN89b@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 16:20:25 GMT In article <1n5krgINN89b@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > >I just got the new SoftPC Professional, and in preferences is the >worst icon I've ever seen. Select Info Preferences..., slide over >to Autoflush, and press it. You will see a new autoflush button >under it that has some sort of unidentifiable creature holding what >appears to be some large card like objects. The icon on that >button is my nomination for the worst icon ever. > I dunno -- I've seen comparable if not worse. Which leads me into a gripe: It seems that many of the recent products I have demoed have a very unpolished look to the user interface. I don't care how well the interface functions (well, actually I do) -- if the user interface *looks* like a 1st grader did it, then I feel a major turn-off toward that product. Please folks, hire an artist or let your 1st grader give it a shot -- a child couldn't do much worse. (BTW, I'm not an artist). And icons are not the only issue -- placement/arrangement of appkit interface items is just as important. As far as the user interface *design*, try to put some thought into how best the interface suits the task instead of vice-versa. I could name a list of several products that I feel fail at both user interface design and look -- but I won't. In order for NeXTSTEP to succeed, the general quality of products must be superior in comparison to the counterparts on Windows or the Mac. Some of the recent entries into the NeXT world are lacking in comparison, IMHO. Please note that I'm not saying SoftPC is in that class. Lots of apps is not a substitute for good apps. Michael McCulloch Huntsville, AL
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nomination for all-time worst icon Date: 5 Mar 1993 04:28:47 -0600 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <1n7a0v$bhl@imladris.cubetech.com> References: <1n5krgINN89b@gap.caltech.edu> <1n5sftINNbe4@gap.caltech.edu> <C3EE9G.2yq@ccu.umanitoba.ca> In article <C3EE9G.2yq@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) writes: >That's the most unprofessional looking icon that I've ever seen on the NeXT! >Oh well, it is sort of humorous though. I'll hang on to it to show others. Gosh, you'd think they would have the decency to just rip off one of Keith's nice icons like everyone else does. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3 button mouse (for X stuff)?? Date: 5 Mar 1993 13:18:31 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1n8927INNh30@tamsun.tamu.edu> Hi, I was just trying to run KMS remotely with MouseX running locally on my next. KMS, if you know, uses a 3 button mouse and relies on it quite heavily. Of the following 3-button ops, 1 2 3 ----- a 0 0 0 KMS requires all operations with the exception of g (but even b 0 0 1 that is probably used by something, although I don't know c 0 1 0 what). d 0 1 1 e 1 0 0 Using MouseX, I figured out how to get all operations exept f 1 0 1 d, g and h! That's not bad for a 2-button mouse that should g 1 1 0 only be exhibiting 4 functions (1 of which is no-op). h 1 1 1 I was thinking -- is it possible somewhere in MouseX to simply tell it that using the shift key (let's say) will enable it to send the req'd button operations?, ie.: d 0 1 1 achieved by Shift-[01] g 1 1 0 achieved by Shift-[10] h 1 1 1 achieved by Shift-[11] Or is there an X port that handles this already? Thanks in advance! Please email suggestions/ideas. -- -- Andrew Duchowski | -- -- Texas A&M University | This page intentionally blank -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail) | -- -- andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail) | --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eric@cubx.fdn.org (Eric de la Tribouille) Subject: NeXTSTEP on Sparc and Apple/IBM new hardware ! Message-ID: <1993Mar5.172910.12704@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 17:29:10 GMT A translation from DECISION MICRO (a french newspaper for managers) : A new support of NeXTSTEP NeXT, which concentrate it's activities on the software will port it's OS NeXTSTEP on Sparc stations and on Taligent from Apple/IBM, in addition to the INTEL version which should be available very soon this year. GREAT decision !!!!!!! Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: IRC Message-ID: <1993Mar5.201604.16811@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 20:16:04 GMT Does anyone have irc (Internet Relay Chat) compiled for 3.0? - Barre ----------------------------------------------------------------- Barre Ludvigsen borrel@dhhalden.no Associate Professor, Architect borrel@sigallah.dhhalden.no Ostfold Regional College (NeXTMail OK) Department of Computer Science bludvigs@ulrik.uio.no Os Alle 9 73277.3443@Compuserve.com N-1750 HALDEN, Norway borrel@well.sf.ca.us ----------------------------------------------------------------- phone479185400/fax479185485/home479341922/direct479185577ext219 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Finger: borrel@sigallah.dhhalden.no or borrel@fenris.dhhalden.no -----------------------------------------------------------------
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo Registration and Information Bulletin Message-ID: <6950@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 5 Mar 93 23:07:33 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO REGISTRATION AND INFORMATION BULLETIN On May 25, NeXT Completes the Most Remarkable Transformation in Recent Years in the Industry What: NeXTWORLD Expo When: May 25 - 27, 1993 Where: Moscone Convention Center, San Francisco, California Events: Developer and User Conference and User Group Program Keynotes by Steve Jobs, NeXT & Andy Groves, Intel ..From Black Computers to White - NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors ...Completed and Unveiled _____________________________________________________________________ TABLE OF CONTENTS => NeXTWORLD EXPO INTRODUCTION => ALL NeXTWORLD EXPO EVENT DESCRIPTIONS => NeXTWORLD EXPO DEVELOPER CONFERENCE TRACKS & SESSIONS => NeXTWORLD EXPO USER CONFERENCE TRACKS & SESSIONS => NeXTSTEP PRODUCT EXHIBITION: PARTICIPATING COMPANIES => NeXT USER GROUP PROGRAM AGENDA => TUTORIALS AND BOF MEETINGS => REGISTRATION, HOTEL AND TRAVEL INFORMATION _____________________________________________________________________ => NeXTWORLD EXPO INTRODUCTION The second annual NeXTWORLD EXPO combines a worldwide Developer Conference, User Conference, User Group Program and Product Exposition spanning three days. This year's NeXTWORLD Expo marks the culmination of the most significant event in NeXT's history. At the Expo, NeXT will deliver the completed, shrinkwrapped release of NeXTSTEP for Intel processors. The product that Byte magazine has called, "...the most respected piece of software on the planet..." -- now available on industry-standard computers. When you see NeXTSTEP, we think you'll agree. NeXT's decision to concentrate on object-oriented software, move away from signature black hardware, and devote all company resources to running NeXTSTEP on white hardware--is more than the transformation of a company. It is, in all likelihood, the transformation of an entire industry. We look forward to seeing you at the Expo. As a special offer, all registered NeXTWORLD EXPO attendees will receive an aggressive discount on NeXT's software products available at the Expo. For $695: receive admission to all Developer Conference and User Conference Sessions, attendance to the User Group Program, and admission to the Product Showcase. SPECIAL BONUS...For $995 (a $3,500 value), receive admission to all of the above PLUS a copy of NeXTSTEP for Intel processors User Environment and Development Tools! (See registration form below). _____________________________________________________________________ => ALL NeXTWORLD EXPO EVENT DESCRIPTIONS NeXTWORLD EXPO DEVELOPER CONFERENCE The NeXTWORLD EXPO '93 Developer Conference offers a broad curriculum to the developer community, focusing on creating both shrinkwrapped applications and client/server custom applications. Because the ability to run NeXTSTEP applications on Intel-based computers is now a reality, both the general session and the conference tracks provide valuable information about porting and distribution. Four separate Conference Tracks focus on the business and technical aspects of NeXTSTEP application development. Each track provides a different perspective on understanding and working with NeXTSTEP. To benefit most from the breadth of topics offered at the conference, we encourage you to review and attend sessions from several tracks. A specially priced developer bundle is available which includes registration and a copy of NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors (see registration form below for details). NeXTWORLD EXPO USER CONFERENCE The NeXTWORLD EXPO '93 User Conference offers in-depth information about the use of NeXTSTEP in corporate information systems and on individual desktops. Designed for experienced NeXTSTEP end users, system managers, and IS strategists, the four-track program focuses on the issues of deploying NeXTSTEP in enterprise-wide systems, using NeXTSTEP for maximum benefits, case studies of NeXTSTEP usage in the real world, and comparative looks at the most innovative third-party products in the NeXT market. One session is dedicated to providing a quick start for users who are new to NeXTSTEP, so that they can participate fully in the remainder of the program. Key sessions in each track are repeated so that attendees can participate in as many different sessions as possible. NeXT USER GROUP PROGRAM NoIR (NeXT Organizations InteRnational) is sponsoring a worldwide User Group Program. This year's program theme is "486--An Explosion of New Users Under NeXT's Big Tent." Sessions focus on two tracks: user group leadership and member services. If you want ideas to take back to your group, this program is for you. Last year over 100 groups from around the world were represented and this year we expect many more. With the explosion of new NeXTSTEP users coming this year and next, this program helps you prepare your NeXT User Group for growth and success in 1993 and 1994. In addition to the formal events listed here, several special social events will be held. All user group members attending either the exposition or the conferences are invited to register for the user group program free of charge. KEYNOTE SPEAKERS Steve Jobs - Chairman and CEO of NeXT, Inc. Andy Grove - Chairman and CEO of Intel Corporation Steve Jobs discusses the future of object-oriented, client/server computing. Andy Grove discusses Intel's 486 and Pentium processors, and NeXTSTEP's place in their future. DEVELOPER CONFERENCE GENERAL SESSION Your NeXTSTEP Application and their Hardware Paul Hegarty, NeXT's Director of NeXTSTEP for Intel processors software, explains how to port your application to the Intel platform and leaves ample time to answer your porting questions. USER CONFERENCE GENERAL SESSION 10 Most Wanted NeXTWORLD Editor-in-Chief Dan Ruby leads a panel of NeXTSTEP customers, developers, and user group leaders in reviewing NeXT's accomplishments during the last year and setting the agenda for the year ahead. GENERAL SESSIONS OPEN TO ALL ATTENDEES Bob Metcalfe, Publisher and CEO of InfoWorld Publishing Co., hosts a panel of industry pundits and NeXT customers as they discuss the alternatives among advanced operating systems in the coming battle for the corporate desktop. USER GROUP AUCTION Attend this fun event. A range of products and services from the NeXT community will go to the highest bidder. Proceeds go toward the User Group Program at the Expo. NeXTWORLD MAGAZINE AWARDS NeXTWORLD honors the best and most innovative products in the NeXT market in its first annual award ceremony. Cheer on your favorites as a lineup of NeXT community luminaries announce the winners in each product category. NeXTSTEP PRODUCT EXHIBITION Tuesday, May 25, 11:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Wednesday, May 26, 9:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Thursday, May 27, 9:00 a.m. - 12:00 p.m. Be sure to see over 100 product exhibits and find out why so many companies have embraced NeXTSTEP technology. See the latest in NeXTSTEP hardware and software, and meet with users, resellers, and partners. The Expo also features an ObjectWare Pavillion dedicated to the growing number of NeXTSTEP ObjectWare vendors. _____________________________________________________________________ => NeXTWORLD EXPO DEVELOPER CONFERENCE TRACKS & SESSIONS MAY 25-27, 1993 ** TRACK ONE ** THEME: NeXTSTEP MEANS BUSINESS This track addresses topics of broad, general interest to the third-party and corporate developer community, including how to evaluate development environments, profiles of NeXTSTEP's markets and customers, how to protect your intellectual property, and 486 distribution issues. A variety of experts, including Peter van Cuylenburg, NeXT's president and chief operating officer, discuss issues geared to business professionals. Technical professionals will benefit from opportunities to hear engineers explain how to succeed in object-oriented development, and to meet key NeXT engineers for a lively Q&A session. No direct NeXTSTEP experience is required for the sessions in this track, but a technical background is sometimes useful. TRACK ONE SESSIONS: ** DISTRIBUTED NeXTSTEP APPLICATIONS ** Erna Arnesen, Director of Channel Sales, NeXT This comprehensive discussion answers question about NeXT's software distribution channels. Distribution partners are identified and ways to ensure successful interaction with developers are explained. Plans for distribution of NeXTSTEP for Intel processors are also presented. ** A DEVELOPER'S GUIDE TO ENTERPRISE-WIDE DEPLOYMENT ** Anita Sansguiri, Project Manager, ADAMATION ADAMATION's project manager describes how they successfully deployed their application at multiple offices of a real estate company. Deployment issues ranging from application development, networking, and database management, to augmenting NeXTSTEP tools are described. ** NeXT's MARKETS AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES ** Ron Weissman, Director, Strategic Marketing, NeXT David Grady, Developer Advocates, NeXT This is a chance to hear from NeXT about targeted markets, the specific products that customers are requesting, and solutions that would match market requirements. Opportunities for developers and consultants are discussed. ** NeXTSTEP MEANS BUSINESS ** Peter van Cuylenburg, President and COO, NeXT Hear NeXT's president and chief operating officer make the compelling business case for choosing NeXTSTEP. This session outlines where we are headed and how developers can align with NeXT for success. ** PROTECTING YOUR TECHNOLOGY ** Christopher Seline, Esq., Formosa Transnational Attorneys-at-Law Maximizing profit and protecting intellectual property are vital concerns for every developer. This session introduces fundamental legal issues such as copyright, patent, trademark, and trade secret laws and how they relate to computer software. Our speaker has considerable NeXTSTEP and UNIX experience. ** NOTHING's EASIER THAN NeXTSTEP DEVELOPMENT ** Tracy Powell, Senior Developer, WordPerfect Corporation A developer of large commercial applications in both Windows and NeXTSTEP discusses his experiences in cross-platform development. Our speaker ported WordPerfect to NeXTSTEP for Intel processors in a matter of hours and this session describes his experiences. Helpful hints and productivity techniques will be presented. ** SUCCEEDING WITH OBJECT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ** Bruce Webster, Chief Technical Officer, Pages Software Jayson Adams, CEO and Chief Scientist, Millennium Software Labs Accompanying the power that object-oriented technology (OOT) brings to application development are some specific challenges and requirements. In this session, two NeXTSTEP developers describe the insights they gained and the lessons they learned while producing major commercial productivity applications. * "DR. STRANGEAPP, OR HOW I LEARNED TO STOP WORRYING & LOVE ISV'S" * Rob Wilen, Director of Technical Architecture, Swiss Bank Corporation One of NeXT's largest commercial customers explains the techniques and business practices of establishing a productive working relationship with large corporations. ** STRATEGIES FOR DYNAMIC PERSONALIZED SYSTEMS ** Pascal Chernais, Research Specialist, Massachusetts Inst. of Tech. Successful personalization of applications will require an understanding of a users' dynamic needs. The MIT Media Laboratory has been exploring these issues, using new tools such as user modeling, knowledge representation and distributed servers. ** DEVELOPER SUCCESS STORIES ** Panel: NeXTSTEP Developers Based on their real-world experiences, a panel of NeXTSTEP developers describe their paths to success in the NeXTSTEP marketplace. Creative marketing techniques, how to leverage the sales force, and product focus are debated and discussed. ** MEET THE SOFTWARE ENGINEERS ** Panel: NeXT Software Engineers Several software engineers who were integral in creating NeXTSTEP Release 3 join together in this forum to answer your questions. This was a popular session last year, so come early if you want a seat! ** TRACK TWO ** THEME: NeXTSTEP AND THE ENTERPRISE NeXTSTEP and the Enterprise presents issues specific to using NeXTSTEP in large organizations, such as working with large and mixed networks, portability, interoperability, connectivity, distributed computing, and integration of shrinkwrapped applications into custom solutions. Most sessions in this track require a technical background but assume that attendees have no experience working with NeXTSTEP. TRACK TWO SESSIONS: ** INTEGRATING SHRINKWRAPPED APPLICATIONS IN A CUSTOM SOLUTION ** Moderator: David Lavallee, Software Engineer, NeXT Panel: NeXTSTEP Developers It's not always possible to find a shrinkwrapped or custom solution that solves a given problem completely. But applications can be easily integrated. Customers and third-party developers discuss why they would integrate shrinkwrapped software into client/server custom solutions, and the value that results from this merger. ** DEVELOPING OBJ-C APPLICATIONS FOR NeXTSTEP & MICROSOFT WINDOWS ** Christopher Lozinski, Berkeley Productivity Group Walter C. Daugherity, Texas A&M University NeXTSTEP developers have traditionally been faced with a dilemma: Should they develop in Objective-C on NeXTSTEP, or C++ for Microsoft Windows. Now it's possible to develop for both platforms in Objective-C and C++. Developers can use Objective-C with the Borland compiler on the PC, and the GNU compiler on NeXTSTEP. The discussion reports that develop applications for both platforms, describes this experience, and the techniques that work. There will also be a discussion of Smalltalk for NeXTSTEP. ** WORKFLOW TOOLS IN CUSTOM APPLICATION ** Randy Marchessault, Software Engineer, Integrity Solutions Workflow, a popular, but commonly misunderstood buzzword is examined through applying concepts and objects to real-world problems. Discussion centers on representing tasks and task dependencies, implementing group scheduling, resource management, document and information routing, user notification, and recursive schedule divisibility. ** OBJECT-ORIENTED CLIENT/SERVER APPLICATION DESIGN ** Patricia Monk, Director-NeXT Business Unit, Data General Corporation This session explains the key issues of object-oriented client/server application design and layout, including programming tools and techniques to assist in this type of application development. It also discusses how the UI (or lack of it) for server requester objects and server provider objects affects the efficiency of an application. ** NeXTSTEP and OBJECT-ORIENTED DATABASE INTEGRATION ** Moderator: Rick Jackson, Product Manager, NeXT Panel: NeXTSTEP Developers This session emphasizes why OODB technology may be of interest to you, and how it fits with the NeXTSTEP development methodology. Developers discuss their NeXTSTEP projects which involve both ObjectStore and Versant OODB technology. ** ADVANTAGES INHERENT IN ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTATION ** Carla Kay Barlow, Product Documentation, Stone Design Jim Clark, Advanced Technology Group, WilTel A persuasive argument in favor of all-electronic software documentation, this session spans the interests of users and developers from the viewpoint of third party and corporate development efforts. Topics range from the use of NeXTSTEP's on-line help standard to how to develop class specification documentation that facilitates consistent coding style, code reuse and rapid prototyping. ** A NeXTSTEP SHARED DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT ** Moderator: Rick Jackson, Software Product Marketing, NeXT Panel: NeXTSTEP Developers Development teams of more than a few people have special synchronization and code management problems that can delay or prevent system. NeXTSTEP developers discuss current and future solutions for group development. Corporate and third party developers discuss tools they built to solve today. ** SKETCHING OUT A BETTER USER INTERFACE ** Ray Ryan, User Interface Designer, Lighthouse Design Creating excellent user interfaces is frequently more the result of art than science. This session provides some insight into the aesthetics of UI design. The user interface designer of Diagram! 2 discusses techniques for building good user interfaces starting at day one. He will include before and after examples from Diagram! and Diagram! 2 to emphasize how sound UI design techniques help create more usable interfaces. ** TRACK THREE ** THEME: DEVELOPING NeXTSTEP APPLICATIONS This track examines the tools and techniques central to developing your NeXTSTEP applications, such as debugging, Interface Builder, performance tuning, user interface issues, localization, and application validation. Speakers include both third-party and corporate developers who share their knowledge gained "in the trenches", developing popular and productive applications. These sessions are targeted for attendees who have intermediate or advanced NeXTSTEP programming proficiency. TRACK THREE SESSIONS: ** THE ZEN OF DEBUGGING ** Julie Zelenski, Lecturer, Stanford Univ. and Support Engineer, NeXT Need a new bag of tricks for debugging in the NeXTSTEP development environment? Or maybe you're just looking to fill out your current repertoire? In either case, you can learn something new in this challenging and informative session. ** VALIDATING NeXTSTEP APPLICATIONS AND OBJECTS ** Jim Walsh, Software Quality Manager, NeXT Kris Oosting, Manager, Objective Partners It's been said "you can't control what you can't measure", and this holds true for object-oriented development. This session explores the theories of testing your NeXTSTEP applications and objects. ** GETTING MORE SPEED OUT OF YOUR APPLICATION ** Brian Pinkerton, Software Engineer, NeXT Trey Matteson, Manager, Application Kit Group, NeXT Reprising one of last year's most popular sessions, NeXT's engineers take a reasonably slow application and make it faster, before your very eyes. You'll see the steps you need to take to speed your applications' performance. ** INTRODUCTION TO NeXTSTEP PROGRAMMING ** Randy Nelson, Lead Developer Trainer, NeXT If you're just encountering the world of object-oriented programming, this overview of NeXTSTEP features and object technology is extremely useful for understanding context and vocabulary. This session is a must for technical evaluators of the platform. ** UI PERFORMANCE ** Bill Bumgarner, Software Artist, Stone Design Glenn Reid, President, RightBrain Software Enhancing the performance of your application's UI can be crucial to users' success with the application. NeXTSTEP developers describe methods for increasing perceived performance and methods for decreasing actual drawing time. ** BUILDING BETTER NeXTSTEP APPLICATIONS ** Randy Nelson, Lead Developer Trainer, NeXT Proper use of NeXTSTEP significantly increases the power of your application; correspondingly, improper or partial use of NeXTSTEP can decrease your application's usability. An overview of specific topics--user interface, portability, localization, and important kit features--shows you how to build flexibility into your application. References to documentation and other resources are included. ** WRITING DYNAMIC APPLICATIONS ** Tom Affinito, Training Manager, Trirex This lecture explores techniques that add run-time flexibility to your application, including Interface Builder files, NXBundles, distributed objects and embedded languages. ** CREATING INTERFACE BUILDER PALETTES ** Scott Ritchie, Developer Trainer, NeXT Using Interface Builder Palettes can add custom functionality to your interfaces, save development time, and generate valuable re-useable tools. One of NeXT's trainers explains how to build palettes that provide advanced functionality for many different sorts of objects. ** BUILDING REUSABLE OBJECTS ** Eric Bergeson, Objective Technologies Well-rounded classes donUt just happen: they require careful planning and design to become flexible and robust. This session reviews some of the issues that you should consider before writing your first line of code. The discussion includes licensing issues for objects. ** TRACK FOUR ** THEME: UNDER THE HOOD - OBJECTS AND NeXTSTEP FEATURES This track explores the detail level of object technology and specific NeXTSTEP features and kits. Topics include DataBase Kit, Indexing Kit, Driver Kit, Object Links, Help, and filter services. Familiarity with NeXTSTEP programming is recommended for attendees of the sessions. TRACK FOUR SESSIONS: ** GETTING STARTED WITH DATABASE KIT ** Scott Weiner, Developer Trainer, NeXT Learn the basics of NeXTSTEP's newest kit with one of NeXT's trainers. Step through the decisions involved with building a simple DataBase Kit application and see how DataBase Kit can help reduce time and effort in developing a client/server custom application. Time is provided for Q&A at the end of this session. ** REAL-WORLD DATABASE KIT APPLICATIONS ** Moderator: Jerry Goode, Systems Engineer, NeXT Panel: NeXTSTEP Developers A panel of corporate developers and system integrators explain and discuss their real-world development experiences and describe how the DataBase Kit helped them resolve client/server computing issues. ** ADVANCED DATABASE KIT ISSUES ** Moderator: Felix Lin, Product Manager, NeXT Panel: NeXTSTEP Developers Developers of NeXTSTEP Release 3 DataBase Kit applications share their experiences and exchange comments with NeXT's DataBase Kit engineers on some of the technical issues that confront advanced development work. Time is provided for Q&A at the end of this session. ** USING NeXTSTEP RELEASE 3 FEATURES ** Ali Ozer, Software Engineer, NeXT This session reviews several NeXTSTEP Release 3 features, including dragging, Help, filter services, and using color. Use of the and can add considerably to the power and flexibility of your application (and the popularity with your users.) ** OBJECT LINKS IN DETAIL ** Trey Matteson, Manager, Application Kit Group, NeXT Take advantage of the power of object linking...the powerful mechanism that enables documents to share data dynamically. This session explains why and how you should incorporate Object Links into your application. ** PROGRAMMING WITH DISTRIBUTED OBJECTS ** Stephen Asbury, Developer Trainer, NeXT This presentation details the steps you need to take to build a client/server application using distributed objects, one of NeXTSTEP's most powerful tools. Discussion includes invalidation notification, threaded servers, and peer-to-peer architectures. ** WORKING WITH THE INDEXING KIT ** Kris Younger, System Engineer, NeXT The Indexing Kit is a major feature of NeXTSTEP Release 3. The kit provides a framework for storing and managing data, analogous to the framework for user interaction provided by the Application Kit. This session describes the salient features of the Indexing Kit, including transaction-protected storage, building dictionaries and indexes with BTrees, and building flat-file databases that store Objective-C objects. ** DRIVERKIT FOR NeXTSTEP FOR INTEL PROCESSORS ** Phillip Dibner, Developer Support, NeXT A detailed presentation of the differences between traditional UNIX drivers and those written for NeXTSTEP applications on Intel-based computers. A developer support engineer examines a working example and answers your questions about drivers. _____________________________________________________________________ => NeXTWORLD EXPO USER CONFERENCE TRACKS & SESSIONS May 25 - 27, 1993 ** TRACK ONE ** THEME: ENTERPRISE COMPUTING The first stage of desktop computing in corporations was all about enhancing individual and departmental productivity. NeXTSTEP takes corporations to the second stage by advancing the mission of the enterprise. This conference track explores the issues in enterprise computing such as client/server architecture, rightsizing, operational productivity, custom application development, and heterogeneous networking. In every area, NeXTSTEP offers great opportunity for the next stage of corporate computing. TRACK ONE SESSIONS: ** END OF THE PARADOX: OPERATIONAL PRODUCTIVITY ** NeXTSTEP solves the enduring paradox of the information age: Organizations' investment in technology has not resulted in measurable productivity gains. NeXTSTEP changes the equation by focusing on operational productivity. ** WHY OBJECT-ORIENTED PROGRAMMING and NeXTSTEP ** NeXTSTEP achieves its full power when applied in enterprise-wide systems for client/server functions. Discover how object-oriented programming techniques and client/server computing can bring immediate tangible benefits to organizations. ** RIGHTSIZING WITH NeXTSTEP ** As businesses downsize monolithic mainframe applications to distributed client/server systems, they need object-oriented development tools that play in a standard networking environment. NeXTSTEP is an important piece of the rightsizing puzzle for corporate re-engineers. ** ENGINEERING CLIENT/SERVER SYSTEMS ** Talk of rightsizing is cheap. NeXTSTEP gets you started today. This panel of customers, integrators, and system engineers explores the nitty-gritty technical issues of using NeXTSTEP in a client/server architecture. ** DEVELOPING AND DEPLOYING CLIENT/SERVER CUSTOM APPLICATIONS ** NeXTSTEP's object-oriented development environment lets you bring new systems on-line in a fraction of the time needed with competitive products. That calls for a new approach to planning and implementing client/server custom applications. ** ACCESSING CORPORATE DATABASES ** Distributed applications are only as meaningful as the data that is accessed. NeXTSTEP's DataBase Kit and third-party tools let you link into live financial and operational databases residing on mainframes and servers. ** HOW NeXTSTEP FITS INTO YOUR HETEROGENEOUS CORPORATE NETWORK ** Virtually every enterprise today maintains a mixed environment of computer platforms and networks. NeXTSTEP's support of multiple networking standards allows users to easily mix and match computers with their existing information systems. ** CONNECTING THE ENTERPRISE: WANs, LANs. and ISDN ** As business goes global, it isn't enough to interoperate in local networks at individual user sites. Here's how NeXTSTEP systems communicate with other computers in a world-wide distributed computing environment. ** MANAGING APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ** As NeXTSTEP speeds up the application development cycle, managers face new challenges in strategic and tactical planning. Here's what to expect in budgeting, staffing, managing, and phasing in your custom application projects. ** ISSUES IN SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION ** As NeXTSTEP proliferates in enterprise-wide information systems, the issues of network management and security become increasingly critical. System administrators explore the tools and techniques available for maintaining and securing corporate networks. ** TRACK TWO ** THEME: USING NEXTSTEP NeXTSTEP provides a user environment unlike any other operating system. To get maximum benefit from their systems, users need to know the intricacies of NeXTSTEP and third-party products. This track begins with critical information about running NeXTSTEP for Intel processors, and examines hot topics like portable computing, NeXTSTEP publishing, database management, and collaborative applications. Users can get hands-on help by attending sessions on NeXTSTEP tips and tricks, configuring systems for maximum power, and sources of training and support. TRACK TWO SESSIONS: ** INTRODUCTION TO NeXTSTEP for INTEL PROCESSORS ** NeXT's software guru's take you on a tour of the leading object-oriented operating system for mainstream business computers. ** INTRODUCTION FOR INTEL PROCESSORS: Q&A ** NeXT and NeXTSTEP hardware partners answer questions on software deliverables. ** INTEGRATING INTEL AND MOTOROLA-BASED HARDWARE This session discusses the concerns and addresses the solutions for integrating your existing 68040 hardware with your Intel-based hardware--all running NeXTSTEP. ** READ ALL ABOUT IT: PUBLISHING WITH NeXTSTEP ** NeXTSTEP's unified imaging model, powerful software tools, and workgroup connectivity are ideally suited for graphic design and electronic publishing. Experts explore the available tools for NeXTSTEP publishing, while early adopters describe their experiences. ** MANAGING YOUR DATA ** Database management isn't a task only for programmers and system designers. Here's everything you need to know as a user for specifying and designing database front ends, as well as for managing your individual records. ** NeXTSTEP TIPS and TRICKS ** NeXTSTEP is so rich in capabilities that many users only scratch its surface. To get maximum benefit from NeXTSTEP, you need to know the shortcuts and hidden features available in the system. Power users show you how. ** CONNECTING TO THE WORLD ** There is a wealth of information, free software, and just plain camaraderie available to NeXTSTEP users through the Internet and other information services. This session tells you how and where to plug in to the wonderful world of NeXTSTEP online. ** OBJECT TECHNOLOGY AND YOU ** Besides its benefits for programmers, the rapid development of object technology for NeXTSTEP promises great rewards for the individual NeXTSTEP user. Here is an over-the-horizon look at three of the most important developments in object technology and how they will likely affect the life of the user. ** WORKING TOGETHER WITH COLLABORATIVE SOFTWARE ** Groupware is a computer-industry buzzword that is much discussed and little practiced. In the NeXTSTEP environment, users are taking advantage of applications designed for collaborative work. This panel reviews the available products and illustrates the power of workgroup computing. ** OPTIONS FOR PORTABILITY ** Customers are interested in NeXTSTEP portable computing. But 486 notebooks are not the only option for users who need to take their data on the road. This session looks at strategies for extending your desktop environment to wherever you happen to be. ** TRACK THREE ** THEME: IN THE TRENCHES Customers in business, education, and government have taken great strides in applying NeXTSTEP to solving problems in their fundamental advantages for unifying the desktop, collaborative computing, document management, decision support, and application development. In this track, speakers representing customers in NeXT's key markets share their experiences. TRACK THREE SESSIONS: ** UNIFYING THE DESKTOP ** The goal is no longer to have a computer on every desk, but to have only one computer on every desk. Users in financial services, law enforcement, and hospital administration describe how NeXTSTEP replaced diverse systems in a single workstation. ** ROLLUPS AND DRILLDOWNS: EXECUTIVE INFORMATION SYSTEMS ** NeXTSTEP is ideal for application that deliver live summary data and graphics to executives for decision support. Corporate and government users show how they did it. ** WHY NeXTSTEP -- CUSTOMER PERSPECTIVES ** Choosing NeXTSTEP was once risky. This panel of NeXTSTEP customers in business, government, and education discuss their choice of NeXTSTEP systems and the payoff. ** MANAGING DOCUMENTS ** Whatever happened to the paperless office? It's alive and well in law firms and medical organization employing NeXTSTEP software for document storage and retrieval. ** SERVING YOUR CUSTOMERS ** The greatest challenge in business today is providing timely and accurate service to customers. NeXTSTEP systems provide the informational framework for world-class customer service. Users from health care, financial services, and transportation show how they did it. ** ENTERPRISE TRANSFORMATION ** Technological change does not occur in a vacuum. Sometimes, the technology used can lead to structural and cultural changes in an organization. Panelists from law enforcement, telecommunications, and the energy business explore the positive effects of NeXTSTEP technology on organizational hierarchies, decision making, and customer relations. ** TRAINING FOR SUCCESS ** Training alternatives are critical to meeting the diverse needs of NeXTSTEP developers, users, and systems administrators. This panel includes representatives from NeXT's training consortium, NeXT instructors, and customers whose successes with NeXTSTEP have been accelerated by choosing the right training curriculum. ** WORKFLOW MANAGEMENT ** Most business processes involve contributions and approvals from a variety of individuals. NeXTSTEP is a natural environment for working simultaneously and in series with a group of colleagues. Customers in electronic publishing, a corporate legal department, and university curriculum development describe their collaborative processes under NeXTSTEP. ** COMPREHENSIVE SERVICES AND SUPPORT ** Leading strategies for customer support put the power in customers' hands. Enterprise-wide computing and custom application development depend on timely, accurate support. NeXT delivers this with a professional staff and innovative systems. Learn NeXT's strategy to put the power in your hands. ** TRACK FOUR ** THEME: HOT PRODUCTS The sizzle in the NeXTSTEP market is the varied software solutions offered in hotly contested application categories. In this track, developers demonstrate the best and newest tools for document creation, presentation, financial modeling, database management, business graphics, and software emulation. With this background, users will be better able to examine the strengths and weaknesses of the products shown on the exhibit floor. TRACK FOUR SESSIONS: ** DOCUMENT CREATION ** The leading applications for creating business documents square off. Their different approaches to page layout and design provide good choices for every kind of NeXTSTEP user. This session provides an excellent opportunity to view, evaluate, and discuss the wide array of page layout applications available for NeXTSTEP. ** PRODUCTIVITY, NeXTSTEP STYLE ** In this session, developers discuss the feature and benefits of today's NeXTSTEP productivity applications and how they can be used most effectively. NeXTSTEP is home to innovative software products in virtually every productivity category. What's truly amazing is the way they all work together in an integrated user environment. ** INFORMATION MANAGERS ** The last year has seen an explosion of products for managing personal and group information. These tools have allowed NeXTSTEP users to move even closer towards the goal of a true paperless office. Learn about the calendar, address books, and free-form databases that are on the vanguard of workgroup computing on NeXTSTEP. ** BETTER PRESENTATIONS ** Making presentations is among the most frequent tasks in business. Creating presentations using NeXTSTEP and available third-party applications has proven to be both easy and impactful. Here we look at the options for improving your delivery with visually appealing slides and interactive media. ** EMULATION AND CONNECTIVITY ** NeXTSTEP is great, but sometimes you have concessions to the rest of the world. Whether you want to make your NeXTSTEP system behave like Windows, Macintosh, X, or a mainframe terminal, there is a third-party product for you. Developers in this session will review those products available in the future. ** GRAPHICS FOR BUSINESS ** Illustration tools are not just for artists. NeXTSTEP offers some of the best applications on any platform for creating business charts, diagrams, and drawings. Whether you're looking for applications in the area of free-hand drawing, product planning and flowcharts, or presentation enhancement, this session is for you. ** MULTIMEDIA AND 3D ** NeXTSTEP has always been a leader in the area of multimedia. Learn how NeXTSTEP's inclusion of RenderMan technology, strong multimedia authoring systems and tools for sound and music have set the stage for an explosion of software for 3D rendering, animation, and multimedia. ** DOCUMENT MANAGEMENT ** NeXTSTEP's combination of strengths for scanning character recognition, imaging, and collaborative computing make it an ideal platform for document storage and retrieval. Developers demonstrate their solutions for the potentially huge but largely underutilized workstation application. ** SPREADSHEET AND MODELERS ** NeXTSTEP abounds in diverse solutions for financial modeling. Whether you need a traditional spreadsheet, multi-dimensional tool or sophisticated enterprise financial modeler, NeXTSTEP serves your needs with strong third-party products. Come see for yourself. ____________________________________________________________________ => NeXTSTEP PRODUCT EXHIBITION: PARTICIPATING COMPANIES May 25 - 27, 1993 Participating Companies: ADAMATION Alembic Systems International Ltd. Altsys Corporation Anderson Financial Systems ANDI Appsoft, Inc. Athena Design Axsys Bacchus, Inc. BenaTong Blacksmith Booz-Allen & Hamilton Canon Ciusa Conextions Cub'X Systems Data General Corp. Dell Computer Epson Firstsoft, Inc. / DBSA. Inc. Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. Harvard Tool Works Hewlett-Packard Company Highland Digital HSD Microcomputer Hypersight, Inc. i-link, GmbH Imagine Multimedia, Inc. INSIGHT Software Insignia Solutions, Inc. Intel Corporation Jana Publishing Lighthouse Design, Ltd. Logicon Ultasystems Inc. LogicStream Lotus Development Corp. Marble Software Products Memory International, Inc. Millennium Software Labs, Inc. MRJ, Inc. NEC Technologies Inc. NeXT, Inc. NeXTWORLD Magazine Northstar nPoint Objective Technologies, Inc. ONyX Systems, Inc. Pages Software, Inc. Pangea Corporation PARABASE Pencom Perennial Software Pinnacle Research, Inc. Professional Software, Inc. RDR, Inc. Ridgeback Solutions RightBrain Software, Inc. Sarrus Software, Inc. Schema Research Corp. Second Glance Software SiRiUS Solutions, Inc. Skylee Press SofDesign Software Ventures Stone Design System House Inc. Systemix Software, Inc. Tecor, Inc. Telos / Springer-Verlag Trident Data Systems Trirex Systems Vertex Software WordPerfect Corporation Yrrid Incorporated ..and more ____________________________________________________________________ => NeXT USER GROUP PROGRAM AGENDA User Group Keynote Thursday, May 27 9:00 a.m. - 11:00 a.m. Steve Jobs: 486--An Explosion of Users Under NeXT's Big Tent Steve Jobs headlines this exciting kickoff to today's activities. The number of NeXTSTEP users in the world doubled last year. With the advent of NeXTSTEP for Intel processors, we anticipate a tremendous explosion of new users and user group members using both black and white hardware. How do we serve this dynamic new population and tap into their talents? Ideas for 1993 and beyond will be discussed. Also during this session, NeXT will present its "Golden Nugget Awards" for special contributions by user groups during the past year. ** USER GROUP PROGRAM: LEADERSHIP TRACK ** Thursday, May 27 11:00am - 4:00pm -Leadership and Organizing Ideas -Working with NeXT, 3rd Party Vendors, and Resellers -Attracting and Keeping Volunteers and Officers -Fundraising ** USER GROUP PROGRAM: MEMBERSHIP SERVICES TRACK ** Thursday, May 27 11:00am - 4:00pm -Getting your members on the worldwide net -Planning and conducting a successful meeting -Newsletters -Training ____________________________________________________________________ => TUTORIALS AND BOF MEETINGS Hands-On NeXTSTEP Tutorials If you're new to NeXTSTEP, this is your chance to learn the basics...and if you're a seasoned developer, you can sign-up to spend some time with an expert on the subject of your choice. Extending from the show floor, the NeXTSTEP hands-on tutorial area sponsored by Dell Computer, provides User Tutorials are scheduled throughout the three days of the Expo to introduce new users to NeXTSTEP and to provide guidance on navigating the workspace, working with applications, and using NeXTSTEP features. Developer Tutorials provide two learning opportunities: hands-on instruction in "boot camp" issues as well as one-on-one time with a NeXT expert on specific development topics. Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings Developers can conduct a limited number of Birds-of-a-Feather get-togethers on Wednesday evening, May 26, 6:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Room reservations are available on a first-come, first-served basis. Email BOF@NeXT.com to reserve a room for your special interest group. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: CD ROM spindown? Message-ID: <1993Mar5.222515.2911@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 22:25:15 GMT Is there a command I can issue to the NeXT CD-ROM drive to cause it to stop spinning when unused? I'd like to write a cron job/script to do this when it's not being used. As an alternative, can I just turn it off while it's not in use? I've done this successfully a few times, and it does not seen to have an adverse impact on anything else, but I cringe whenever I do it. Justified? Matthew Stecker --
From: pdm@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Peter D. Mark) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: what's happening to next Message-ID: <1993Mar5.231404.21871@cs.uoregon.edu> Date: 5 Mar 93 23:14:04 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.1993Mar5.231404.21871 Sender: news@cs.uoregon.edu (Netnews Owner) Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept. forgive me for asking about a topic that has doubtless been hashed out here extensively, but i'm not a regular reader of this group. what is the significance and what are the consequences of next's sale of the hardware side of its business? please respond via e-mail to pdmark@colby.edu; i can only read the newsgroups now via a horribly slow telnet link. thanks, peter pdmark@colby.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rprice@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rodney.price) Subject: "Radio talk show" on Internet? Message-ID: <1993Mar5.233942.27407@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Keywords: radio talk show internet Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 23:39:42 GMT Yesterday's New York Times carried a front-page article on a "radio talk show" to be carried over the Internet in the next few weeks. Evidently those with the bandwidth can pipe an incoming bit stream to their speakers and hear an audio program for Internet users -- something like a National Public Radio broadcast. Those without the bandwidth can ftp the sound file and listen to it after the fact. It looked to me as if the sound is going to be in Sun format, since the paper had a picture of the originator of the "broad- cast" sitting in near a Sun workstation. Does anyone know any more about this? In particular, does anyone know how to get this on a NeXT? Rod Price rprice@physics.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Subject: Tecor Inc. -- where are they? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 23:49:18 GMT Message-ID: <C3Fwu6.tJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: Tecor hard drive Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Does anyone know what happened to Tecor? No one answers their phone no. (408-458-3197). Jim Beauchamp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith) Subject: Re: nomination for all-time worst icon Message-ID: <1993Mar5.153731.1410@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1n5sftINNbe4@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 15:37:31 GMT In article <1n5sftINNbe4@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > > Here's the actual icon. View it at your own peril. > Geez. What the heck *is* that? Adrian Smith --- University of Alberta NeXT Campus Consultant (until 5pm Friday, March 5, 1993) adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca Audix: 5482
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From: jmcaulif@husc.harvard.edu (Jon McAuliffe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: nomination for all-time worst icon Keywords: UGLY ICON Message-ID: <1993Mar6.012256.21362@husc3.harvard.edu> Date: 6 Mar 93 06:22:55 GMT Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Mar6.012256.21362 References: <1n5sftINNbe4@gap.caltech.edu> Distribution: world In article <1n5sftINNbe4@gap.caltech.edu> writes: > > Here's the actual icon. View it at your own peril. > > mark You win. Ugliest icon ever. _____________________________________________________________________ Jon McAuliffe jmcaulif@husc.harvard.edu NeXT ex-Campus Consultant 617.493.3004 (voice/fax) Harvard University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: Pandora font available - TeXies only Message-ID: <ntomczak.731442302@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 18:25:02 GMT For those of you who would like to try some other font with your TeX I put on cs.orst.edu PandoraFont_TeX.tar.Z. It contains a set of Metafont source files for Pandora, instructions, various related bits and pieces and NeXT specific Makefile. This allows for a simple installation of this new font - even if you did not ever hear that your have Metafont on your computer. :-) Currently the stuff is in pub/next/submissions. An attempt to send it to Purdue archives failed once again. If you would like to get it from orst and put on nova/sonata then, please, be my guest. For the last three month I did not managed to send there anything bigger than few hundred bytes of README... file. Michal Jaegermann ntomczak@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca
From: support@gateway.vvi.com (support at VVI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Beta Version of The Technical Graphics Application VVdrafter Date: 5 Mar 1993 14:24:52 GMT Organization: VVimaging, Inc. Message-ID: <1n7nrk$e2@gateway.vvi.com> Keywords: graphics beta VVdrafter --- Re: Beta Version of The Technical Graphics Application VVdrafter Thank you for the tremendous interest in VVdrafter. We now have enough beta testers for the time being. Previous replies regarding beta testing will be honored. Inquiries regarding product literature are still welcome. Many thanks for the wonderful response and kind replies. Kindly yours, support@vvi.com
From: disc!dan (dan hennage) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Date: 5 Mar 1993 19:29:37 GMT Organization: Coactive Aesthetics Inc. Message-ID: <1n89n1INN58n@disc.coactive.com> References: <1128@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Ok, I have similar problem: How to send print jobs from a Mac running A/UX to the NeXT (both lpr and from Mac applications). Anyone? --- dan hennage coactive aesthetics po box 425967, san francisco, ca 94142 dan@coactive.com voice:(415)626-5152 fax:(415)626-6320
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: system@arsenal.com (SYSTEM 0PERATOR) Subject: NeXTWorld Expo Message-ID: <PN3ZZB1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com (MadNuG BBS General Account) Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 17:05:24 GMT Howdy, I see that Wordperfect and Lotus are going to be at the Expo. Does this mean they are bringing an updated Wordperfect and Improv? :) I also noted that anyone shelling out $995 will get into all the Developer events, etc and also get a copy of NeXTSTEP/Intel. Without a copy of NS/Intel, its $695. Now that means $300 for a full Developer/User version of NS/Intel. ---------------------------------------------------- SPECIAL PRICE FOR ALL CONFERENCES: Developer Conference Package (#3032N): Includes all conferences registration and a copy of NeXTSTEP for Intel processors User Environment and Development Tools for your 486 computer ____ $995 ____ $1095 (on-site) This is very cool. In fact, it would be even cooler if it was sold at this price to the masses. At least they are going to provide it at $300 for the Expo. A definite step in the right direction. Later! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanders-malcolm@cs.yale.edu (Malcolm Sanders) Subject: Re: Tecor Inc. -- where are they? In-Reply-To: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Fri, 5 Mar 1993 23: 49:18 GMT Message-ID: <1nb0foINNh2h@NEWT.ZOO2.CS.YALE.EDU> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: /homes/ee/sanders/.organization References: <C3Fwu6.tJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 20:10:32 GMT >Does anyone know what happened to Tecor? No one answers their phone no. >(408-458-3197). > >Jim Beauchamp I am sorry to say that Tecor has gone out of business. I received a telephone call from Larry Cohen, who was the salesperson at Tecor, informing me of the situation. Larry is now working at Peripheral Solutions, also in Santa Cruz, 1-800-255-3475, and he says he wants to continue to provide service for Tecor customers Malcolm Sanders mms@jax.org
From: omv@athena.mit.edu (Daniel K Hartman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Keyboard/Mouse for a Non-turbo color Date: 6 Mar 1993 18:50:41 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1narq1INNm8v@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Keywords: Keyboard ADB Mouse Ok, I'm not a frequent reader of the comp.sys.next.* newsgroups anymore, so maybe this question has been asked a billion times, but.... I have a non-turbo color from the days when NeXT was dumping them because only the turbo's were selling. Anyways, my keyboard and mouse are sort of in bad shape due to wear and tear, and need replacement. Question 1 is, can I order a new start point kit directly from NeXT or somebody else? MIT's campus computer store is slow as all heck, and I want it reasonable soon. Question #2 is, can I get the new (?) ADB keyboard/mouse? I know this would involve getting a new soundbox and possibly eprom's, but has anyone done it officially or unofficially? I love my NeXT, but the keyboard just sucks. Replies by email would be greatly appreciated, since I no longer have time to read csn.* :( Thanks, dan hartman omv@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Message-ID: <1993Mar6.212945.3708@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH References: <1993Feb26.192304.110622@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 21:29:45 GMT NeXTSTEP is being shipped with DES outside of the US. Ain't this illegal? -Florian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Rob Tibshirani) Subject: ImageWriter (C), Dots Message-ID: <C3HMLB.w2@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 22:03:11 GMT (1) Does anyone know of a 3.0 compatible driver (not serial) for the Apple ImageWriter, preferably colour? (2) After many unsuccessful attempts I'm sorry to have to ask here: Is Dots still being sold for the NeXT? They don't seem to answer their mail. (3) Has anyone used a program called Tscript, which will allow a NeXT to print to a variety of non-Postscript printer over Appletalk, using uPrint? Thank's,...Philip -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "Radio talk show" on Internet? Date: 6 Mar 1993 22:43:00 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1nb9dkINN65l@ni.umd.edu> References: <1993Mar5.233942.27407@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Keywords: radio talk show internet In article <1993Mar5.233942.27407@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rprice@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rodney.price) writes: >Yesterday's New York Times carried a front-page article on >a "radio talk show" to be carried over the Internet in the >next few weeks. Evidently those with the bandwidth can pipe >an incoming bit stream to their speakers and hear an audio >program for Internet users -- something like a National >Public Radio broadcast. [Oh good, a chance to mount my why-doesn't-NeXT-support-multicast-IP soapbox again!] Actually, the problem for you is not bandwidth, but the fact that NeXT doesn't support multicast IP in their operating system. Until they do, you can't use conferencing infrastructure, which is all multicast based. Well, actually you can, if you had a Sun, SGI or DEC workstation. It would take an engineer a day to install the code that you can FTP from the internet to add multicast IP support, any you might think that the NeXT with its built in sound support and DSP would be the ideal platform for this sort of stuff. Too bad. > Those without the bandwidth can ftp >the sound file and listen to it after the fact. >It looked to me as if the sound is going to be in Sun format, >since the paper had a picture of the originator of the "broad- >cast" sitting in near a Sun workstation. Does anyone know any >more about this? In particular, does anyone know how to get >this on a NeXT? Its plain vanilla 8kHz mulaw audio, same as what the NeXT uses. louie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: swiet@poincare.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) Subject: Re: "Stone Design Announces Create 3.0" Message-ID: <1993Mar6.231450.15785@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Keywords: Stone Design, Create, Drawing Sender: news@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Usenet news system) Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD References: <1993Mar2.043433.697@stone.com> <C3ApL4.BF4@utstat.toronto.edu> <1993Mar3.143748.29269@cs.wm.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 23:14:50 GMT In article <1993Mar3.143748.29269@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: >Oh, I see. So you think that paying for one copy of a program and use it on >two machines is fine as long as they are different machines (68K and Intel)? > >Instead, if I have a 68k at home and a 68k at work, I should buy two copies. > >That does not make a lot of sense to me. > >(if what you want is being able to dump your 68k x years from now and use >your software on a different machine, that would be nice, but not many >vendors do that, I think). But those who bought software for the 030 cube did not have to buy new copies when they got their 040 upgrades. So, the 030 and 040 are both Motorola chips. Same principle, though. Vendors should ship one "fat" version of the program. Selling hardware-specific versions could quickly alienate the original (and most evangelistic) NeXT users. And losing the backbone of the just-recently-turned-fledgling-software-company community would not be such a good idea, especially for NeXT.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: swiet@poincare.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) Subject: Re: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Message-ID: <1993Mar6.232801.16047@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Sender: news@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Usenet news system) Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD References: <1111@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 23:28:01 GMT In article <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> info@rightbrain.com writes: > >NeXT Loyal Customer Sale >from RightBrain Software > >PasteUp version 2.0 50% off >during March! > >We're running a special sale this month just for the installed base >of NeXT users. You are pioneers, people of great imagination and >independence, and you own one of the greatest computers ever made. We >own quite a few of them, ourselves, and we're glad they're not PCs. >We know there's a great future for NeXTSTEP and everything, but in >the meantime, we want to share our hard work and our great product >with you, the early adopters of this wonderful technology. In light of a recent post, it would be wise to find out if these purchases include a free upgrade to a fat-binary version. Otherwise, it'd be less of a sale, and more like let's-hit-the-loyal-ones-twice.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: swiet@poincare.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Message-ID: <1993Mar6.233928.16380@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Sender: news@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Usenet news system) Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD References: <C3DFKw.Jsu@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <1993Mar4.201831.7106@sol.UVic.CA> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 23:39:28 GMT In article <1993Mar4.201831.7106@sol.UVic.CA> gtoews@fulford.UVic.CA (Greg Toews) writes: > >I use a utility called SendPS on the Mac once I've got the file on disk >via Apple File Exchange. I can't remember where I got it from [...] Ask Glenn. :-)
From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Best Kept Secret: Sightings - UFN Message-ID: <1993Mar6.232443.8425@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: 6 Mar 93 23:24:43 GMT References: <1993Mar4.203956.5765@Princeton.EDU> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab In article <1993Mar4.203956.5765@Princeton.EDU> mddoyle@door.Princeton.EDU (Mark D. Doyle) writes: > Paul Ginsparg is well-known in the high energy physics theory world for > his efforts to get people to abdandon their antiquated systems and move > into the modern age. He first set up an electronic preprint bulletin > board for HEP theory preprints that has revolutionized the way that this > brand of physics is communicated. Since then he has made the software > available to several other physics disciplines so that they too can have > preprint distribution systems. The latest additon is the mentor.lanl.gov > gopher server that makes all of this transparently accessible. Well, Paul and I talk a lot about our mututal interest in NeXTs, but that last sentence ought to be corrected. Mentor, just down the hall from me, is in fact a Sun and the Gopher server there was not set up by Paul but by my colleague Joe Carlson here at LANL. Interestingly enough, Paul's initial reaction to the Gopher service was somewhat negative, but then he quickly came to like the thing and supports it strongly. Dick Silbar Medium Energy Nuclear Theory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: swiet@poincare.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) Subject: Re: nomination for all-time worst icon Message-ID: <1993Mar6.235132.16705@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Keywords: UGLY ICON Sender: news@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Usenet news system) Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD References: <1n5sftINNbe4@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Mar6.012256.21362@husc3.harvard.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 23:51:32 GMT In article <1993Mar6.012256.21362@husc3.harvard.edu> jmcaulif@husc.harvard.edu (Jon McAuliffe) writes: >In article <1n5sftINNbe4@gap.caltech.edu> writes: >> >> Here's the actual icon. View it at your own peril. >> >> mark > > You win. Ugliest icon ever. I dunno...have you ever used X? :)
From: granben@elof.iit.edu (Benjamin Granzeau) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: The "Who" command... Message-ID: <1993Mar6.223240.17652@iitmax.iit.edu> Date: 6 Mar 93 22:32:40 GMT Sender: Gonzo Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center The reall-dumb Gonzo E-Mail: granben@elof.acc.iit.edu
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: Re: 'at' command not working under 3.0??? Message-ID: <1131@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 7 Mar 93 00:58:04 GMT References: <1993Mar5.074223.27029@netcom.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc I've just been using 'at' a lot on my 2.1 system, and when I read your message, I tried it under 3.0. I can't get it to work, either. I think it's broken. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Re: 'at' command not working under 3.0??? Message-ID: <1993Mar7.025840.14483@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <1131@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 02:58:40 GMT Glenn Reid writes > I've just been using 'at' a lot on my 2.1 system, and when I read your > message, I tried it under 3.0. I can't get it to work, either. I think > it's broken. Works for me. (NeXTstation turbo running 3.0) --Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang/Humanities) Subject: Getting posts off of my slab Message-ID: <1993Mar7.050137.15106@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Keywords: UUCP, Cnews, posting Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine References: <1mkn5a$219@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 93 05:01:37 GMT Hi there. My news posting mechanism has failed. Would some kind soul using UUCP as a news transport mechanism dump via email a long listing of his/her news directories? I am specifically interested in which inews you are using in NewsGrazer, the permissions and uid/gid of /bin/cunbatch, etc., etc. I would prefer to talk over phone about this. Send me your phone number and a good time to call and I'll pay for the POTSA connect time. km (using my wife's account) -- Yan Fang-Magnusson Ph.D. candidate, philosophy, University of Utah yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu yanfang@cc.utah.edu (NeXTmail)
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Message-ID: <HARDY.93Mar6141433@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com's message of Thu, 4 Mar 93 14:49:03 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Distribution: usa References: <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Mar4.144903.21680@dvorak.amd.com> Date: 6 Mar 93 22:12:13 GMT What color? All I see is uuencoded gibberish. RightBrain e-mailed me the info, which I forwarded to my NeXT and managed to read. I would have saved 20 minutes (and lots of bandwidth) and learned all about the sale just as easily if it had been posted in palin old ascii. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT floppy disk format Date: 6 Mar 1993 22:49:41 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1nb9q5INN53p@uwm.edu> Originator: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Hi, I am wondering if NeXTstep for non-NeXT computers will still support the capability to read NeXT formatted disk? Or did they just give up with it. Thanks, -- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Mar6.103902.6939@metrosoft.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 00:49:27 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Mar8.004927.5898@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Mar6.103902.6939@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: >In article <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> info@rightbrain.com >(RightBrain Software) writes: >> >> [A seriously-cross-posted window-depth-promoting RTF post] >> >Sheesh - cross-posting an RTF post that promotes window-depth sure is >fun! I've had to re-start NewsGrazer *three* times now to get drawing >speed back! (And now I'll have to do it again since I did a follow-up >to the thing). > Is it possible to programmatically un-promote (relegate?) the window-depth? Dave Griffiths
From: listserv@antigone.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: UNSUB NEXTMI-D Date: 7 Mar 1993 20:29:15 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9303070634.AA25633@antigone.com> You have been removed from list nextmi-d@antigone.com. Thanks for being with us.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) Subject: The End of NextStations Message-ID: <1993Mar8.040023.12450@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 04:00:23 GMT About 6 monts, I was laughed off this place, yet again. I pointed out that Next was heading for doom and that Steve Jobs had better relocate his manufacturing facilities to a low-wage country (like Thailand) and had better _upgrade_ the processor to a Sparc. Well, last week, I read that Next has dropped it's production of workstations and that it will now be strictly a software house. I was right, and you were wrong. I don't want to you non-believers (in me) to feel like "I told you so." But I _did_ tell you, didn't I? If you want to respond, then please send e-mail. I only post here twice a year at most. ,,, konnitiwa o o / --------------------------------ooO--U--Ooo-----------------------+------------ Jinsei no imi wa nan desu ka. | \| |` Shitte itara oshiete kuremasen ka. Game over. | | -+- Insert new coin. | /| / \ Disclaimer: 1 + 1 = 3 | ------------------------------------------------------------------+------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,ba.market.computers From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Subject: $4100 for 26Meg colorNext/200Meg HD Message-ID: <1993Mar7.191707.27295@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: sieu@cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 19:17:07 GMT 26Meg color NeXTstation for sale ================================ 25Mhz color NeXTstation color MegaPixel 200Meg internal harddisk 26Meg (6x4Meg simms, 2x1Meg simms) keyboard, mouse, soundbox and cables. First to offer $4100 will get it. Buyer pays shipping. Johnson Sieu sieu@cory.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Good Drawing software that handles EPS Imports well ?? Message-ID: <1993Mar1.205722.9023@altsys.com> Keywords: Virtuoso, AppsoftDraw, TopDraw, Illustrator, Import-by-reference Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1mkn5a$219@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 20:57:22 GMT In article <1mkn5a$219@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: >I am looking for a good drawing software that can handle EPS files >better -- better than 3-year old TopDraw? > >I am now using TopDraw, but this is old software. We have the >latest AppsoftDraw 1.03, but it is in many ways worse than TopDraw, >particularly because it can totally mess up the bounding box >of imported EPS files. > >So, we got Virtuoso, but it doesn't seem to handle EPS and >TIFF file imports very well. > >Could Adobe Illustrator users tell me if Illustrator can do >what I want it to do? How about Create or Diagram2? It can't. In fact Illustrator does not support TIFF at all. I can't speak to Create or Diagram2 >Specifically, I want: > > >[1] Importing EPS files "by-reference". >So I can update the imported graphic without editing the >drawing document. I don't want to use Object Links for >my drawing purpose. In Virtuoso, if you edit the EPS, the mods are updated the next time you open the file the EPS is placed in. If you change the path of the EPS, Virtuoso asks you to find it. All transformations are maintained, modulo the origin of the bounding box of the edited EPS. "By-reference" is how EPS works in Virtuoso, even though there is no place inspector. >[2] If "import-by-reference" is not supported, then the ability >to replace an EPS image with a new one by importing or pasting >while keeping the image transformations intact. see above >I suppose Virtuoso does not support EPS file import "by reference". >Given that, when I update the EPS file, I have no easy way of replacing >the previously imported one in Virtuoso document with the updated EPS >file without going through very tedius transformations all over again. again >[3] Inspector panel that shows the original pathname to imported >EPS or TIFF file (or %%Title: line of EPS file at the minimum). This is an excellent suggestion, which I will pass along to the appropriate people on Virtuoso's development team >I import many similar looking EPS graphics, and it's impossible to >keep track of which one came from which file after a while. >It would be nice if the inspector can show the final values of >rotation, scaling, and skewing to duplicate these transformations >on other imports. This also is an excellent suggestion. >[4] Ability to change the bounding box (crop box) of imported >EPS or TIFF. This can be simulated fairly easily using Virtuoso's Paste Inside command. >[5] Transfer function modification for EPS and TIFF -- >to change gamma and other parameters, without modifiying >the original EPS or TIFF files. This is convenient for >changing overall brightness, contrast of imported images. That is out of Virtuoso's feature set and would not work for EPS files in any regard, though as always, Altsys listens to the users and takes each feature request very seriously. >This is not that critical compared with [1-4], but would still be >nice. > >Sad thing is that, 3-year old TopDraw has most of these features. >It's more sad that I have to be using TopDraw until someone can >tell me there is a better program with the above features. >Virtuoso is a nice and robust program, I tell you, but its >EPS/TIFF handling capability is pretty lame. If I haven't answered your questions in this posting, please contact me directly and we can discuss them in greater detail. >So, please tell me. What should I be using? Altsys Virtuoso! > >-- >Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] >USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 >Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 >Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK) In case you can't tell by my signature, I am an employee of Altsys Corporation and have a huge vested interest in whether or not Altsys sells more copies of Virtuoso. : ) -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Encouraged Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: what paper and transparency to use? Message-ID: <1993Mar1.211603.9475@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <C34sFM.9Fn@ms.uky.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 21:16:03 GMT In article <C34sFM.9Fn@ms.uky.edu> kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu writes: >I have a NeXT color printer and Im looking for advice on what paper and >transparency to use? The samples sent with next seemed to work fine but we >really dont know what kind it was. We have HP 51630Q transparencies and they >kinda suck. We seem to get random lines in the output. This didn't happen with >the NeXT supplies. Any ideas? > I have used several hundred sheets of generic HP paint jet paper and it worked great, better than NeXT supplied stuff (was not as sensitive to fingerprints). Any source for cartridges? -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Encouraged Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Re: The End of NextStations Message-ID: <1993Mar8.064204.8218@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <1993Mar8.040023.12450@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 06:42:04 GMT Dwight Joe writes > About 6 monts, I was laughed off this place, yet again. I pointed out > that Next was heading for doom and that Steve Jobs had better relocate his > manufacturing facilities to a low-wage country (like Thailand) and had > better _upgrade_ the processor to a Sparc. > > Well, last week, I read that Next has dropped it's production of workstations > and that it will now be strictly a software house. > > I was right, and you were wrong. I don't want to you non-believers > (in me) to feel like "I told you so." But I _did_ tell you, didn't I? > > If you want to respond, then please send e-mail. I only post here > twice a year at most. [I did respond via Email, also.--Glenn] Hardly. You'd better get out your asbestos suit! NeXT neither moved it's plant to a low-wage country nor upgraded to a Sparc. Therefore, Your claim of prescience is no more valid than that of anyone else who suggested that NeXT should change its way of doing business. There are hundreds of such people who read this newsgroup. As for your prediction that "Next [sic] was headed for doom": If NeXT succeeds in the market for platform independent operating systems, then NeXT could hardly be called 'doomed'. The fate of NeXT has yet to be determined, althought it is true that NeXT's hardware is defunct. Enjoy your self-awarded fisherman's degree, Dwight. --Glenn Brown
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) Subject: Re: nomination for all-time worst icon Message-ID: <1993Mar7.192048.9203@rbc.uucp> Sender: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) Organization: Huh? References: <1ncarkINNn4a@lynx.unm.edu> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 19:20:48 GMT Dave Klingler writes > ......... I've not seen SoftPC look like a > finished product on any platform. It isn't supposed to. It looks like a PC. It is just as annoying to use as a real PC.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu (Doug Siebert) Subject: Re: The End of NextStations Message-ID: <1993Mar8.065633.9901@icaen.uiowa.edu> Sender: usenet@icaen.uiowa.edu (UseNet News daemon) Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa References: <1993Mar8.040023.12450@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 06:56:33 GMT underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes: >About 6 monts, I was laughed off this place, yet again. I pointed out >that Next was heading for doom and that Steve Jobs had better relocate his >manufacturing facilities to a low-wage country (like Thailand) and had >better _upgrade_ the processor to a Sparc. >Well, last week, I read that Next has dropped it's production of workstations >and that it will now be strictly a software house. >I was right, and you were wrong. I don't want to you non-believers >(in me) to feel like "I told you so." But I _did_ tell you, didn't I? >If you want to respond, then please send e-mail. I only post here >twice a year at most. Hey Dwight, I think you left your account logged in :-) -- /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Doug Siebert | "I don't have to take this abuse | | Internet: dsiebert@isca.uiowa.edu | from you - I've got hundreds of | | NeXTMail: dsiebert@chop.isca.uiowa.edu | people waiting in line to abuse | | ICBM: 41d 39m 55s N, 91d 30m 43s W | me!" Bill Murray, Ghostbusters | \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anthonjw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason W. Anthony) Subject: ParcPlace's VisualWorks Questions... Message-ID: <anthonjw.731539183@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> Sender: news@news.clarkson.edu Organization: Clarkson University Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 21:19:43 GMT I'm interested in possibly using this SmallTalk system available (now) for the NeXT. I would appreciate any opinions anyone has on it from using it under other OS's. I specifically am wondering: 1. Can you create quality, stand-alone apps, feasible for selling as "shrink-wrapped" software? 2. How relatively big and/or slow are apps developed with it? What are the minimum configurations needed on other hardware (Mac, Windows, etc.)? 3. According to ParcPlace, you can "instantly" port an app from one VisualWorks platform to another (i.e. NeXTSTEP to Mac). Is this true? If so, how well does the GUI translate? (Does it have the look-and-feel of an app created directly for the particular GUI?) 4. How does development time/ease compare to NeXTSTEP's Obj-C/Interface Builder combo? 5. How extensive/robust is the included class libraries (say compared to the AppKit)? 6. Can you interface with Obj-C/C++ code? If so, how difficult is it? Thanks for any insight... --Jay-- --- Jason Anthony anthonjw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (NeXTmail very welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) Subject: NeXTWorld Expo exhibitors Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Mar07.215405.95804@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1993 21:54:05 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Could someone please post a list of who is currently signed up to exhibit at the NeXTWorld Expo? Thanks.
From: mike@ser (Michael Wesemann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: SciPlot 3.1 Date: 8 Mar 1993 07:46:01 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Berlin Message-ID: <1netjpINN8jk@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> SciPlot 3.1 is available! You can find it on: ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de (/pub/NeXT/science/SciPlot3.1.tar.Z, 130.149.17.7) or order it via NeXTMail from mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.de Mike --------------------------- from the readme --------------------------- SciPlot is a scientific 2D plotting and manipulation program. Category: mathematics, scientific publication Installation: Unpack the archive and copy SciPlot.app to ~/Apps or /LocalApps. Required NeXTStep 3.0 Release: Author: Michael Wesemann Scillerstr. 73,1000 Berlin 12, Germany mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de License: SciPlot is Shareware ! Features: - ASCII import and export - EPS export - copy, cut, paste with data buffer - free number of data points, data buffer, and document window - selective open and save - plotting in many styles - automatic legend - subviews - linear and logarithmic axes - two different axes - text and graphic - color support - zoom - normalizing and moving - axis conversions - free hand data manipulations (cut, edit, move, etc.) - data editor - sorting of data - absolute,relative, and free defined error bars - calculating with buffers (+, -, *, / ) - background subtractions (linear,shirley,tougaard, bezier) - integration and relative integration - fitting of one or more free defined functions - linear regression - calculations (+, -, *, /, sin, cos, log, etc.) - function generator - spline interpolation - least square smooth and FFT smooth - differentiation - FFT - ESCA calculations and database ... and something more For more information look up in the help files.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Changing monitor background Message-ID: <1993Mar4.180026.1436@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Mar2.223857.4633@proponent.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 18:00:26 GMT In article <1993Mar2.223857.4633@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> writes: > Is there any way to change the monitor background from grey to white? > If you're running 3.0, there's a Background Color setting in the Display Preferences panel of the Preferences app. If you're running 2.x, you'll need to run and add-on utility or screen saver with the feature (I don't recall if BackSpace lets you do this but I'm guessing it does - MetroTools does). Gordon -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] ----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: KEEPING FAT BINARIES FAT Message-ID: <1993Mar6.082034.6437@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1n3mo3$3lf@agate.berkeley.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 08:20:34 GMT In article <1n3mo3$3lf@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: > I have heard that software companies (e.g. Metrosoft, > Stone) are offering upgrades for their products but the > customer must choose a processor. > Just to clarify - Metrosoft has stated that we would support fat binaries - i.e. the customer doesn't have to choose a processor. People were concerned what software vendors would do, and we wanted to let the community know that we fully support the concept and will go as far as providing fat-binary versions as maintenance releases to existing owners when they become available. We provide maintenance releases at the cost of shipping and handling (typically $5 in the US, $7 elsewhere). The only product we hadn't planned on shipping as a fat-binary was MetroTracks as it contains (contained) a large amount of hardware-specific code for the audio and DSP stuff. Since it's currently on hold, this is kind of a moot point anyway. We *do* have a one-machine-per-license license (as do most software vendors). We don't care what kind of machine it is, as long as it's only one. We have multi-user site licenses available as well. Gordon -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] ----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Message-ID: <1993Mar6.103902.6939@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 10:39:02 GMT In article <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> info@rightbrain.com (RightBrain Software) writes: > > [A seriously-cross-posted window-depth-promoting RTF post] > Sheesh - cross-posting an RTF post that promotes window-depth sure is fun! I've had to re-start NewsGrazer *three* times now to get drawing speed back! (And now I'll have to do it again since I did a follow-up to the thing). What color was "PasteUp version 2.0 50% off" in anyway? Two-tone is kinda zippy but c'mon! -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!/:&QF<SM]"EQM87)G M;#$R,`I<;6%R9W(Q,C`*7'!A<F1<='@Y-C!<='@Q.3(P7'1X,C@X,%QT>#,X M-#!<='@T.#`P7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8W,C!<='@W-C@P7'1X.#8T,%QT>#DV,#!< M9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C!<9F,P7&-F,"!);B!A<G1I8VQE(#PQ,3$X M0')T8G)A:6XN<FEG:'1B<F%I;BYC;VT^(&EN9F]`<FEG:'1B<F%I;BYC;VT@ M*%)I9VAT0G)A:6X@4V]F='=A<F4I('=R:71E<SI<"CX@7`H^(%M!('-E<FEO M=7-L>2UC<F]S<RUP;W-T960@=VEN9&]W+61E<'1H+7!R;VUO=&EN9R!25$8@ M<&]S=%U<"CX@7`I3:&5E<V@@+2!C<F]S<RUP;W-T:6YG(&%N(%)41B!P;W-T M('1H870@<')O;6]T97,@=VEN9&]W+61E<'1H('-U<F4@:7,@9G5N(2!))W9E M(&AA9"!T;R!R92US=&%R="!.97=S1W)A>F5R("IT:')E92H@=&EM97,@;F]W M('1O(&=E="!D<F%W:6YG('-P965D(&)A8VLA("A!;F0@;F]W($DG;&P@:&%V M92!T;R!D;R!I="!A9V%I;B!S:6YC92!)(&1I9"!A(&9O;&QO=RUU<"!T;R!T M:&4@=&AI;F<I+B!<"EP*5VAA="!C;VQO<B!W87,@(E!A<W1E57`@"G9E<G-I M;VX@,BXP(#4P)2!O9F8B(&EN(&%N>7=A>3\@5'=O+71O;F4@:7,@:VEN9&$@ 7>FEP<'D@8G5T(&,G;6]N(5P*7`H*?0IA ` -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] ----------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <0fabB8S00WB5AACKxv@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 17:12:24 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA In-Reply-To: <1993Mar6.212945.3708@bernina.ethz.ch> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 6-Mar-93 Re: Public Key Encryption -.. by Florian Gutzwiller > NeXTSTEP is being shipped with DES outside of the US. > Ain't this illegal? Please define "shipped with"? Is NeXT installing their OS in the US with DES and then shipping the machines outside the US, or are they shipping machines with blank hard drives outside the US, and then installing the OS? If it's the former, then yes, it does violate US export laws. If it's the second, no. For the sake of example, look at the FSF's libc library. The FTP sites in the US encrypt the code that performs the DES encryption algorithm, to prevent non-US people from anonymously FTP'ing the DES code, in violation of US law. There are non-US sites that they tell you to get the unencrypted version from. Also, you can send mail to them from a US e-mail site, and they'll send the decryption key to you. This is legal -- stretching things, perhaps, but technically legal. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP! Cannot mount optical disk!! Message-ID: <1nf1jjINN7f3@shelley.u.washington.edu> From: strobel@stein.u.washington.edu (Nicolas Strobel) Date: 8 Mar 1993 08:54:11 GMT Organization: University of Washington Keywords: optical disk super-block Summary: bad super-block prevents mounting of OD Help! I cannot get an optical disk filled with research data/programs to mount! In the console I get this error: od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 8 phys block 63448 (8114:0:8). Block 8 is a super-block. Using fsck with the alternate super-block 16 brings up a number of blocks above block #151264 that it cannot read. After responding yes to all of the proposed changes fsck suggested (what else could I do?) it indicated the number of files used and free (at end of phase 5) it said that it could not write to block 8. Repeated attempts with fsck turned up the same blocks not being read. The OD still will not mount and I cannot access any of the files. Is there a way to tell the mount command to use a different super-block? Is there any way I can repair block 8 phys block 63448? Please, please let me know!! Nick Strobel strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmeacham@world.std.com (James Meacham) Subject: Dial-in and mail readers---help! Message-ID: <C3Jnuy.CI0@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 00:25:45 GMT I'm trying to make my NeXT a very (very) small BBS for some of my collegues, and have come up against two major stubling blocks: 1) How do I enable dial-in and how do I set the communication parameters (i.e. stop-bits, parity, etc.)? 2) Where can I find a pre-compiled mail reader? I've searched tha archives and come up with nada. I remember them being there at one time, but I can't remember where. Any hints from the NeXT mavens in cyber-land? Thanks in advance. James jmeacham@ants.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: rkan@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Ray Kan) Subject: Re: The End of NextStations Message-ID: <C3KCx1.DLC@news.Hawaii.Edu> Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii References: <1993Mar8.040023.12450@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 09:27:00 GMT In article <1993Mar8.040023.12450@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe Billy Bob) whines: >I was right, and you were wrong. I don't want to you non-believers >(in me) to feel like "I told you so." But I _did_ tell you, didn't I? Oh yeah?? Well my father can beat up your father! So there! Seriously, grow up dude.
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Date: 8 Mar 1993 08:46:43 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nf15j$1d2@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <0fabB8S00WB5AACKxv@andrew.cmu.edu> The export restriction is on cryptographic "code" ie. source code. Routines that instruct how to accomplish a similar scheme.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: Strange Posting (maybe from me?) Message-ID: <1993Mar8.130647.6649@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 13:06:47 GMT Hello. I found something really troubling today in comp.sys.next.marketplace. I have been trying to sell a machine, and have posted recently to that group. Today, I found an empty posting in that group with the following .sig and header: __________________________________ From: Matthew.M..Stecker@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: NEXTSTATION COLOR FOR SALE (LAST CHANC Date: 6 Mar 93 21:49:00 GMT Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/236 - MacCircles, Genesee CO -- Matthew M. Stecker - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Matthew.M..Stecker@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG ____________________________________ Now, This is NOT my account, or anything close to it. Does anyone know how this may have happened? I've never heard of 'FidoNet (some sort of BBS thing, but that's all I know), or 'ParaNet'. Should I be concerned about this? Could someome log onto one of those BBS's and use my name, and post? If so, this really troubles me. Perhaps it's just a bug in someone's news forwarding system? Any thoughts would be appreciated. This troubles me. Matthew --
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Date: 8 Mar 1993 06:13:22 -0600 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <1nfd92$e0s@imladris.cubetech.com> References: <1993Feb26.192304.110622@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1993Mar6.212945.3708@bernina.ethz.ch> In article <1993Mar6.212945.3708@bernina.ethz.ch> Florian.Gutzwiller@open.ch writes: >NeXTSTEP is being shipped with DES outside of the US. >Ain't this illegal? Where is DES being used in NeXTSTEP? andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Date: 8 Mar 1993 06:05:34 -0600 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <1nfcqe$e02@imladris.cubetech.com> References: <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Mar6.103902.6939@metrosoft.com> <1993Mar8.004927.5898@prim> In article <1993Mar8.004927.5898@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >In article <1993Mar6.103902.6939@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: >>Sheesh - cross-posting an RTF post that promotes window-depth sure is >>fun! I've had to re-start NewsGrazer *three* times now to get drawing >>speed back! (And now I'll have to do it again since I did a follow-up >>to the thing). >Is it possible to programmatically un-promote (relegate?) the window-depth? If you dwrite NXWindowDepthLimit TwoBitGray for that app, the windows won't promote. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) Subject: NeXTWorld Expo participants Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Mar08.142931.54034@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1993 14:29:31 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 The following was sent to me by: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis --------------------------------------------------------------------- May 25 - 27, 1993 Participating Companies: ADAMATION Alembic Systems International Ltd. Altsys Corporation Anderson Financial Systems ANDI Appsoft, Inc. Athena Design Axsys Bacchus, Inc. BenaTong Blacksmith Booz-Allen & Hamilton Canon Ciusa Conextions Cub'X Systems Data General Corp. Dell Computer Epson Firstsoft, Inc. / DBSA. Inc. Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. Harvard Tool Works Hewlett-Packard Company Highland Digital HSD Microcomputer Hypersight, Inc. i-link, GmbH Imagine Multimedia, Inc. INSIGHT Software Insignia Solutions, Inc. Intel Corporation Jana Publishing Lighthouse Design, Ltd. Logicon Ultasystems Inc. LogicStream Lotus Development Corp. Marble Software Products Memory International, Inc. Millennium Software Labs, Inc. MRJ, Inc. NEC Technologies Inc. NeXT, Inc. NeXTWORLD Magazine Northstar nPoint Objective Technologies, Inc. ONyX Systems, Inc. Pages Software, Inc. Pangea Corporation PARABASE Pencom Perennial Software Pinnacle Research, Inc. Professional Software, Inc. RDR, Inc. Ridgeback Solutions RightBrain Software, Inc. Sarrus Software, Inc. Schema Research Corp. Second Glance Software SiRiUS Solutions, Inc. Skylee Press SofDesign Software Ventures Stone Design System House Inc. Systemix Software, Inc. Tecor, Inc. Telos / Springer-Verlag Trident Data Systems Trirex Systems Vertex Software WordPerfect Corporation Yrrid Incorporated ..and more
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: zeke@znext.cts.com (james dehnert) Subject: Recycler -> Black Hole in 3.0 (RTF) Message-ID: <1993Mar7.214205.13938@znext.cts.com> Sender: zeke@znext.cts.com (james dehnert) Organization: pnet Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 21:42:05 GMT Ok, I have found where the Workspace.app keeps some ( mabey all ) of its system icons. I have made a copy of Workspace.app, chanched some of the icons in my copy, and changed the dwrite to point to the modified Workspace.app as my default. Now i have a cube back in the root area, but what I really want is to get the black hole back. I have it working, in a klunky fassion. Let me explain. The recycler uses 6 icons. 4 for the animation ( one of these for the empty recycler ) and 2 to show a recycler ith somethong in it ( it has a small dot when yoy drag somehing into it, and then it switches to a large dot ). The Black Hole uses 7 icons. 1 empty, 1 full, and 4 spinning. I have attached them below ( so i wont get flooded with requests for them. Thank EPS for getting them in the first place. For 2.* EPS discovered that the Workspace.app could be reset to use a more icons than the recyceler. In the mean time i have instaled 4 of the spinner icons, but it dosen't look that good. My question is: Has anyone found out how to make the Workspace.app use more icons in 3.0? 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) Subject: Re: Educational DEMO ?? Message-ID: <C3Ks2B.FD8@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA References: <tlm.731285574@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 14:54:09 GMT In article <tlm.731285574@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: > In <1993Mar4.165109.23940@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) writes: > > >In the a few days I will be demoing a NeXTstation Color to a group of > >Junior High students that are interested in computers. I would like > >to know if there are any dazzling apps, in the public domain, that > >can be demoed to show off computers. I am running 3.0 and have the > >full suite of NeXTStep developer software install. I am using most of > >Apps provide on the system. Any help would be appreciated. > >If this is the wrong place to ask this question, please forgive me. > > No, this is probably a perfect place to ask such a question! > > Given that you have a color system I would start by recommending that you > show them (1) The Mandelbrot.app thing. Sure it's completely standard, but > some of the colors are really beautiful, and you can jazz it up by explaining > some of the underlying ideas. Note tht there are some "built in" color choices > and places to look at "Valley of Fear" etc., that are quite nice, so you > don't have to just hunt and peck. (2) If you have Mathematica you could > prepare some code which generates attractive Plot3D examples. Some of the > higher spherical harmonics are quite nice, and watching a fairly complicated > one render (the *entire* function renders, usually in a sort of inside out > fashion) is pretty interesting. Again, you can make this educational by > explaining a it about the nature of such functions and why people need to > visualize them. (3) You might want to do some things with the 3D kit. > Get Steve Ludtke's plot3d application off of the archives and have it > render a few plots. Rememebr that rendering is fairly slow, so have something > to talk about while it proceeds. (4) Obviously you **have** to show them > Xoxeroids. But don't show it to them until last because that's all they'll > care about :) Shooting up the universe is a fundamental desire of all high > school students (and at least one aging theoretical physicist I know :) > > If you need more specific information on any of these options contact me by > E-mail (for example,I have some fairly fun Mma plotting code sitting around > in a notebook somewhere). > > Hope this is Helpful --- Tom I agree with Tom about the Mandelbrot demo. Another which I think is both educational and useful, is in /NextDeveloper/Examples/Appkit/Graph. After you compile this, you can hit Com-N to make a new 2D plot --- show them some things they're used to, like enter (A*x^2+B*x+C), and watching the parabola adjust as you change A, B, and C with the sliders. Then hit Com-n to make a new 3D plot, and make a Klein bottle by entering: x= (A+cos(u/2)*sin(v)-sin(u/2)*sin(2*v))*cos(u) y= (A+cos(u/2)*sin(v)-sin(u/2)*sin(2*v))*sin(u) z= sin(u/2)*sin(v)+cos(u/2)*sin(2*v) Adjust the scale by setting A to, say, 1.5. and Set the umin and vmin to -3, and umax and vmax to +3. Rotate the surface by dragging the mouse across it. This takes some practice. Choose Format > 3DPanel ... and try the various "shading options". Hit Com-s, and save the equations in a file, so you don't have to retype them. [I found that the saved state isn't quite reloaded properly --- you have to re-enter some of the parameters before the display will appear correctly.] Now, if you have some really bright (maybe arrogant) student or two, who wonders how all this magic is done, go into /NextDeveloper/Examples/Appkit/Graph/English.lproj, double-click Graph3DDoc.nib, select the File's Owner in Interface Builder, choose Tools > Inspector ... from the main menu, set the Inspector's pop-up menu to "Connections", then start clicking on each of the listed "outlets" [camera, equationX, etc], and talk about how today's students can look forward to a wonderful world of programmable objects, contrasting that with the history of computing in the past, with paper tape, punched cards, spaghetti code, and other forms of torture which we, their miserable ancestors have have been willing to suffer through, so that we could make the computing world a better place for them. [Wow! I sound like my old man, who had to slog 20 miles through the deep snow barefoot to attend his 1-room schoolhouse, which I later found out was in the Great Gatsby party world of the 20's.] Anyway, have fun with it. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... .cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center .*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. .FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sircomp@bcarh289.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) Subject: SoftPC pricing Message-ID: <1993Mar8.165037.22945@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 16:50:37 GMT Hi all: Anyone know what the upgrade policy is for SoftPC? I'd like to upgrade to the SoftPC professional version (No need for Windoze!) Is there an upgrade path for current users? Also, I hear that there are special Windoze drivers in one of the versions. Are those included with the Professional version minus the actual Windoze 3.1 itself? Any hints/pointers/cash donations appreciated. later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill: sircomp@bnr.ca |"It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper NeXTmail preffered at: | of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. rob@hobbes.oghma.ocunix.on.ca | Get it?" - Ren Hoek
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) Subject: Re: The End of NextStations Message-ID: <1993Mar8.180322.6984@netcom.com> Sender: yikes@netcom.com (Jenny Doll) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1993Mar8.040023.12450@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 18:03:22 GMT underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Bozo) writes: Dwight: I'm sure you'll receive a million of these, but... >About 6 monts, I was laughed off this place, yet again. I pointed out >that Next was heading for doom and that Steve Jobs had better relocate his >manufacturing facilities to a low-wage country (like Thailand) and had >better _upgrade_ the processor to a Sparc. Manufacturing cost is a non-issue for two reasons: (1) With NeXT's manufacturing facilities, "assembly line" wages represents a very, very small portion of total manufacturing costs. Moving the facility to SE Asia would actually _drive up_ costs (transfer of facilities, additional (foreign) management expense and... *transportation* costs). Add in carrying costs for inventory that can no longer reliably be delivered JIT and even if labor were free (instead of $10K/year), it wouldn't make sense. (2) Market share, not profitability, is the real reason NeXT has dropped hardwar e. So what if NeXT made an extra 5% (max!) on sales. Would an extra $8.5 milli on (~$170m x .05) net make much of a difference. No. As far as upgrading to Sparc, NeXT *is not* upgrading to Sparc. NeXT has become a software company that does not manufacture hardware. I think we all hope NeXT ports to Sparc, but probably out of this "ubiquitous NeXT desire" that most of us seem to have. Sparc would be an idiotic architecture on which to gamble a company that wants to compete with Microsoft and Apple/IBM. >Well, last week, I read that Next has dropped it's production of workstations >and that it will now be strictly a software house. I'm glad to see you stay so current on industry events. However, you have missed the pimply group of "told you so" whiners by a couple of months. >I was right, and you were wrong. I don't want to you non-believers >(in me) to feel like "I told you so." But I _did_ tell you, didn't I? You are wrong and you are an idiot. >If you want to respond, then please send e-mail. I only post here >twice a year at most. email bounced, so I have to litter people's news with my added drivel... sorry folks. ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) -- ----
From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (new chapter...) Message-ID: <C3L69B.3x7@news.cis.umn.edu> Date: 8 Mar 93 20:00:24 GMT Article-I.D.: news.C3L69B.3x7 References: <C37w0K.3sL@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Now, let's guess what company has reportedly re-opened their factory. Could anyone out in the valley confirm this? Can anyone confirm the looting at the factory either? Just curious.... Peter Eisch writes > In article <1mok5i$1s8@imladris.cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew > Loewenstern) writes: > ... > > The reason is because now you absolutely cannot buy a new NeXTSTEP > > computer for at least 4 months. Customers who were planning on > > installing new machines in the next 4-6 months had to buy NOW... > > > > > > andrew > > And those that planned on purchasing mid to end of April are SOL. > peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) dig.
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <Afau3r_00Voj4BhFBW@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 14:39:35 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA In-Reply-To: <1nfd92$e0s@imladris.cubetech.com> References: <1993Feb26.192304.110622@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1993Mar6.212945.3708@bernina.ethz.ch> <1nfd92$e0s@imladris.cubetech.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 8-Mar-93 Re: Public Key Encryption -.. Andrew Loewenstern > >Where is DES being used in NeXTSTEP? > >andrew In the crypt() library call...which, among other things, is used to verify a user's password. (Try "man 3 crypt" -- it's somewhat interesting!) -Chuck
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Bob_Vadnais@pdh.com (Bob Vadnais) Subject: Re: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Message-ID: <C3K0xL.Fw4@pdh.com> Sender: news@pdh.com (USENET News Account) Organization: PDH, Inc. References: <1993Mar8.004927.5898@prim> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 05:08:08 GMT In article <1993Mar8.004927.5898@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: In article <1993Mar6.103902.6939@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: >In article <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> info@rightbrain.com >(RightBrain Software) writes: >> >> [A seriously-cross-posted window-depth-promoting RTF post] >> >Sheesh - cross-posting an RTF post that promotes window-depth sure is >fun! I've had to re-start NewsGrazer *three* times now to get drawing >speed back! (And now I'll have to do it again since I did a follow-up >to the thing). > > Is it possible to programmatically un-promote (relegate?) > the window-depth? Perhaps the proper term is demote? I'm not sure if it can be done programatically, but you can prevent NewsGrazer from bogging down due to junk mail type postings with: (assumes NS3.0) % dwrite NewsGrazer NXWindowDepthLimit TwoBitGray Cheers, Bob -- Bob_Vadnais@pdh.com (NeXT Mail welcome) PDH Inc., 2635 North First Street Suite 224, San Jose, CA 95134-2034 Voice: (408)428-9596 Fax: (408)428-9599
From: raney@oyster.smcm.edu (Curt Raney) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: grammar checking software Message-ID: <18871@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 8 Mar 93 21:34:36 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Distribution: usa Does anyone out there know of the existence of grammar-checking software for the NeXT? Curt Raney St. Mary's College of Maryland Division of History & Social Science St. Mary's City, MD 20686 301-862-0395 raney@oyster.smcm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) Subject: Re: NeXT Hardware Sold Out? (new chapter...) Message-ID: <1993Mar8.223748.18230@netcom.com> Sender: yikes@netcom.com (Jenny Doll) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <C37w0K.3sL@news2.cis.umn.edu> <C3L69B.3x7@news.cis.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 22:37:48 GMT >Now, let's guess what company has reportedly re-opened their factory. Could an y >one out in the valley confirm this? >Can anyone confirm the looting at the factory either? more comp.sys.next.speculation... Heard (last week) that they were desperately scrambling for parts and if they got ahold of them (fairly likely), they'd give the factory one last go. ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) -- ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eric@cubx.fdn.org (Eric de la Tribouille) Subject: OPEN letter to Mitch Wagner, and to all other romantics... Message-ID: <1993Mar8.130020.22601@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 13:00:20 GMT _______________________________________________________________ OPEN letter to Mitch Wagner, senior editor, Open Systems Today and to all other romantics... _______________________________________________________________ Hi Mitch ! __________________________________________________________________________ In comp.sys.next.advocacy article <1993Mar02.130843.27280@utoday.com> you wrote: > > Is there anything Steve Jobs could have done > differently to make Next's hardware strategy > successful? > __________________________________________________________________________ NeXT's big mistake ! ________________________________ Yes, of course Steve could have done it differently... for example, by having much more money and doing much more advertising... because actually, in the hardware market, you cannot win with the technology... but with money and ads ! So let's Canon do it and invest M$800 in the new factory they have just bought ! You know how to promote your technology and your company in newspapers. Jean-Louis Gassee in France knew it perfectly too : - Give (not sell) your system to the guy in charge of the articles. - Invite journalists each time you make great parties. If the press tells you this computer is the right one to choose, you will choose it. But if you start saying "the problem with NeXT is... , but the quality is very nice !... ", everybody who will speak about NeXT will begin with "the pb with NeXT..." and wait that large companies make the first step to prove them wrong... you'll maybe make the next... you can wait a long time. ___________________________________________________ ben pourquoi ???? ahhhhhhh ok ok ok ... !!!!;-)))) (just for frenches) ___________________________________________________ So is the life ________________________________ In end 89, NeXTStations 68040-25 were the best ratio technical solution/price. Sun, Apple, Microsoft and a lot understood this fact and decided the following : - to divide their price per two to keep the market ! - to make large investments to follow NeXT's technology ! - Mass-production is the way to begin a success story. It's a pity to say that, but : - you will buy whatever a sales guy wants to sell you if he tells you "It's great, already 1 million persons did this choice, it's what you need and it's very cheap". - you do not really do the best choice for your company, but for your position in the company which employs you ! ______________________________________________________ NeXT's best marketing and strategic action ever made ! ______________________________________________________ What do you need ? ________________________________ NeXT, or Steve, as you prefer, took another direction. They decided to care about what people and companies really needed, to resolve their problems and become more competitive. But the business (big money) is not there. Sculley demonstrated it's better (more profitable) to sell boxes. My belief is that Macs have not made any real evolution since Steve left Apple. They changed the package, the speed of the processor, but even with more than 10.000 developers in the company, they did not made any true evolution of the Macs. The software company did it. Just take a look at Adobe, Quark, Lotus, Microsoft. The evolution of PCs has been the same. Where do we go ? ________________________________ According to Steve himself, it's not the hardware which gives you the power, but the soft ! He said it when he presented the first Mac, and he repeated it when he presented the NeXTStations. He just understood in Feb 93 that he did not need to make hardware. It's not his business. His business is to improve the way people work for themselves, or in groups. And it's the soft which helps you doing this. It was wordprocessor, then spreadsheet, and then what ? Computers helped companies to automatize their management , and helped us to make great letters and to compute our simulation/calculation better and quicker. Right now the object of the computer industry is no more to do that. The true problem now is to improve your production, productivity, synergy, communication. It's to access the information quicker, to visualize your data the way you want, or to have tools to simplify this work. You need to share data as easily as possible. You need to send a report to different people to have their feedback, their comments, theirs analysis, and the complement of information to realize a complete work in a minimum of time. It's no more the hardware which enables you to do that, but the software, and networks. Custom apps ? ________________________________ The other purpose is to develop critical custom apps when you need them and not 6 month later... because it's too late then. At present time, you do not buy hardware. You buy tools to permit you to be more competitive to survive the crisis. When you pay $10.000 for your hardware, you pay $50.000 for the classic and specific software tools you need. And your entire company depends on the software... It's much too important to have a software system which is the easiest and quickest to maintain and improve. A Solution for the Crisis ? ________________________________ NeXTSTEP is THE answer ! The only one you can buy right now and for the 2 incoming years. The only object-oriented system you can buy. The only system which enables you to design an easy and rapid maintainable information-system. The only solution which enables you right now to divide by 5 to 20 the time you need to implement exactly the information-system you need. The only true complete and professional solution for today and the future. Are you a romantic Mitch ? ________________________________ I do not want to think even a minute on how Steve could have done it differently to have success in hardware market, and you'll waste your time to think about that. Are you romantic ? I am, as all French guys ! ... ;-).. but with my fiancee ! Not with Steve... I prefer to let him manage the best team to push the market to offer what we really need ! Let's take a look at what all companies in the computer industry are doing right now. They are all following what Steve and his team at NeXT have designed and concretized between 1985 and 1988 ! What a really large success ! In France, a journalist which had really understood nothing wrote "Steve has failed.... difficult to be great twice". In fact, Steve has succeeded ! He has sold 50.000 object-oriented systems in the world in 2 years when Microsoft has sold 0 object-oriented ones. Conclusion ________________________________ Steve's ( Peter's and NeXT's...) new strategic decision to become a software company is the best they could have done ! ---> Each company has now to make a decision : Do they need a new information system now to be more competitive now, or can they wait for 2 more years ? Do they need RISC or CISC or CRISC computers ? No ! I think they need the good software tool on the computer they prefer to buy, or they already have. ---> Each individual person has to make their own choice. Do they prefer working with pleasure or having a headache every night ? Try NeXTSTEP ! It's great, already 50.000 persons have done this choice and are happy with it, and have tremendously improved their productivity and their synergy. It's what you need, and it's 5 times cheaper than any other true Unix environment ! In the USA, in France, in Germany, in UK, it makes now 2 years that sales guys from Sun, IBM and HP are telling their customers that they will have NeXTSTEP on their platform very soon... So let's go guys ! And do be careful... PCs become pretty good computers with NeXTSTEP !;-) Your French Friend, Eric PS1 : may you pardon me for my so bad english ? PS2 : may you pardon me for my youth ? I'm only 25 years old... but don't be afraid... it's not contagious ! PS3 : Who wants to bet that Apple will have NeXTSTEP with MAC/OS with their new PowerPC platforms ? Erik de la Tribouille "The other French guy" eric@cubx.com My point of view at 8:00 P.M the 03/04/93, and of course not Cub'x Syst mes's !
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: NeXTWorld Expo participants Message-ID: <1993Mar8.223509.7880@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <Mar08.142931.54034@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 22:35:09 GMT In article <Mar08.142931.54034@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) writes: >>The following was sent to me by: >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 >>Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! >>Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>May 25 - 27, 1993 >>Participating Companies: >> >>ADAMATION >>Alembic Systems International Ltd. >>Altsys Corporation >>Anderson Financial Systems >>ANDI >>Appsoft, Inc. >>Athena Design >>Axsys >>Bacchus, Inc. >>BenaTong >>Blacksmith >>Booz-Allen & Hamilton >>Canon >>Ciusa >>Conextions >>Cub'X Systems >>Data General Corp. >>Dell Computer >>Epson >>Firstsoft, Inc. / DBSA. Inc. >>Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. >>Harvard Tool Works >>Hewlett-Packard Company <--------- What will they bring to the party ??? >>...and more -- Ronald Pomeroy Quote of the year: "The NeXT has gone virtual" Advanced Micro Devices -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
From: prich@netcom.com (Paul Richardson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help with domains Message-ID: <1993Mar9.025341.24649@netcom.com> Date: 9 Mar 93 02:53:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Hi all, I have recently acquired a domain for my machine through netcom. If my domain is mumble.com, what tools do I use on my next to make it recognize machineNazme.mumble.com Maybe a better way to put it is to ask, how do I incoporate the domain name in my machines network. I nomrally have email sent to me at my netcom host.I have a uucp process poll the netcom machine and download the email using uucp/rmail etc... my email address is prich%monk.uucp@netcom.com thanx in advance /pgr
From: zeke@esosun.UUCP (James Dehnert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: The End of NextStations Message-ID: <1094@esosun.UUCP> Date: 8 Mar 93 20:47:07 GMT References: <1993Mar8.040023.12450@leland.Stanford.EDU> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Science Applications International Corp., San Diego > If you want to respond, then please send e-mail. I only post here > twice a year at most. 2 times to many it would seem. -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ = James "Zeke" Dehnert zeke@mode.css.gov = + SAIC Geophysical Div. Eschew Obfuscation + =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent Watsen) Subject: HAYES ISDN Message-ID: <1993Mar9.050118.22270@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 05:01:18 GMT Greetings, I am interested in upgrading my modem to a higher baud (i.e: > 2400) and have noticed a fancy little gadget advertised in the various NeXT zines called the HAYES ISDN Extender. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with it and is it worth it? The ads boost a max baud rate of 38,400 -- is this for anolog lines and digital or what? Also, is it basically just a fast modem or is it a fax/modem? Thanks, Kent@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: "Stone Design Announces DataPhile 1.1 & Special SALE (RTF)" Message-ID: <1993Mar9.091112.412@stone.com> Keywords: DataPhile, Stone Design, Sale Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 09:11:12 GMT (Nathan, PLEASE forgive me!) News For more information, contact: For Immediate Release Elena Settanni elena@stone.com (505) 345-4800 Stone Design Ships DataPhile 1.1 And Announces Pre-Expo Sale ALBUQUERQUE, NM, March 9, 1993 Stone Design today shipped version 1.1 of DataPhile, the company's award-winning* flatfile database for NeXTStep. This maintenance revision of DataPhile incorporates a number of bug fixes made recently by NeXT to the NeXTStep Indexing Kit. These fixes have significantly improved the speed, overall performance and indexing integrity of DataPhile for NeXTStep 2.x and 3.0. "This release of DataPhile is rock solid", said Kris Jensen, Stone Design's DataPhile project leader. "We are extremely pleased with NeXT's attention to detail and willingness to work with the DataPhile team." DataPhile, the first commercial application which incorporated NeXTStep Indexing Kit technology, pointed out some flaws in the 3.0 version of the kit. Several key sites around the world have been beta testing DataPhile version 1.1, and the praise is unanimous. "Stone Design is entirely committed to continually improving its software", said Andrew Stone, CEO of Stone Design. "We use both Create and DataPhile to run our business, and are always keen on rolling in the new features our users request." Modify All Records is a newly added feature that provides the user with the ability to change a field in all the records of a view to the same contents. Stone Design announced last week that it is porting DataPhile to NeXTStep for Intel Processors; the first ported release will be comparable in function to DataPhile version 1.1 and will be in beta-test later this month. Stone Design is offering DataPhile at a special sale price of <under $530> plus shipping, effective immediately and continuing through NeXTWORLD Expo (May 27). DataPhile normally lists at $695 domestically and $745 plus shipping internationally. This 24% sale is also available for site purchases and academic purchases, and is applied to the normal discounts. A very special sale is available for students who can pick up the demo software at the ftp sites cs.orst.edu, sonata.cc.purdue.edu or ftp.cs.unm.edu, and register the software for $75. No manual or support is provided, but an easy entry option for students is a firm commitment of Stone Design. Call (505) 345-4800 today and ask for Arlean, arlean@stone.com. Upgrades to the Intel port will be available to all end users free of charge for all software purchased after February 12th, 1993. *DataPhile was recently named the "The Best DataBase product of 1992" by a Usenet survey. Stone Design Corporation of Albuquerque, New Mexico, founded in 1984, develops a variety of business productivity applications for NeXTStep software. DataPhile is a trademark of Stone Design Corporation. 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From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Looking for ISDN BRI users (preferably using NeXTSTEP OS) Message-ID: <1993Mar9.072118.3905@relief.com> Date: 9 Mar 93 07:21:18 GMT References: <C3EpxH.8E1@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting In article <C3EpxH.8E1@nextsrv1.andi.org> bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) writes: > ANDI has been using BRI ISDN on a limited basis since August 1992. We are looking > for people to help us conduct "trials" for a study we are doing. We would like to > hear from anyone who has BRI ISDN installed that would be willing to allow us to call > them and for them to call us. This is a data application, but we are interested in > how one can set up a voice call and transmit data. > > Ideal candidates would be NeXTSTEP users and be using MCI, our long distance carrier. > We are particulary interested in those NeXTSTEP users who purchased the Hayes ISDN > Extender, anyone using the Hayes ISDN Adapter, anyone using the UDS TA120, and anyone > who is using or about to buy the new Adtran ISU 128. > > -- > Regards, > > Bill Strehl > Executive Director > ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International > 9921 Woodburn Road > Silver Spring, MD 20901-2730 > > reply to: bill@andi.org > -- > Regards, > > Bill Strehl > Executive Director We have ISDN extender at Ixion, here in Seattle, but when we asked the local phone company (USWest) for a quote on ISDN BRI, they quoted $500/month for each line!!!! Needless to say, we have not had ISDN installed. What are other people paying for BRI ISDN? Is $500/month as out of line as it sounds? John -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-3344 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
From: yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu (Yadin Y. Goldschmidt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: second scsi drive - help Message-ID: <5521@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 9 Mar 93 15:24:27 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu I have connected to my Nextstation running 3.0 a second hard drive (dec 1 gB). I have encountered several problems: 1. Following the instructions I added an item in /etc/fstab however the system ignored it and did not mount the disk where I specified but created a directory with the disk label and mounted it there. The files were owned by the person logging on first. Only when I deleted the 'noauto' option in fstab did the system mount the disk where I wanted. What is the correct way to mount the disk? 2. There is no recycler on the second disk and if I try to recycle something I get a warning that it be destroyed. How can I create a recycler? Note that I put the system files on this disk just in case I will need in the future to boot from it, but I do not use it now as a boot disk. 3. I tried to move a user home directory to the second disk by changing his home directory with User manager and copying his files there. But when he tried to log on from the console, instead of his home icon there was a box with a question mark inside. Also preferences does not seem to work properly for example unix expert mode does not take effect. Can anybody help me how to overcome these difficulties? Is it a problem with the drive? with the system? What am I doing wrong? Thank you in advance yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Mar6.103902.6939@metrosoft.com> <1993Mar8.004927.5898@prim> <1nfcqe$e02@imladris.cubetech.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 09:50:14 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Mar9.095014.3445@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1nfcqe$e02@imladris.cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes: >In article <1993Mar8.004927.5898@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >>In article <1993Mar6.103902.6939@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: >>>Sheesh - cross-posting an RTF post that promotes window-depth sure is >>>fun! I've had to re-start NewsGrazer *three* times now to get drawing >>>speed back! (And now I'll have to do it again since I did a follow-up >>>to the thing). > >>Is it possible to programmatically demote (thanks Bob :-) the window-depth? > > >If you dwrite NXWindowDepthLimit TwoBitGray for that app, the windows >won't promote. > But then we don't get to see those RightBrain ads in their true glory. No, I was wondering if a newsreader could say "ok, the last article was RTF and may have promoted the window-depth, _this_ article is just plain ascii, so let's reset the window-depth before displaying it". Even if it's a dirty trick like switching windows and freeing a temporary rtf window, it has to be better than re-starting the program. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: NeXTSTEP is a bargain! (Was: Re: NT Slipped again?) Message-ID: <1993Mar9.161931.6548@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1993Mar8.182046.15318@wam.umd.edu> <1993Mar9.042532.1312@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 16:19:31 GMT In article <1993Mar9.042532.1312@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > >NeXTSTEP/FIP only requires about 120 MB for the user environment. >330 for the Developer environment. I'm running NeXTSTEP 3.0/developer >in 240 Megs, with about 25 megs free. What's so "humongus" about that? I was able to configure a full development system on a NeXT 105 Meg hard disk, and still have 10 Megs free for the user. All you *require* is about 60 Megs. You can delete all those *nice* things on your system like, say on-line documentation (40M) Webster + Digital Quotations (30M), all the example code that NeXT gives you, all the demo programs, all of those apps that come with the system, UNIX Man pages (these take up lots of space)..., and of course, who needs that compiler anyway? It's not like NeXTSTEP/I is a single 360 Meg binary. You should be *happy* that there is so much *there* for you to use, explore, and learn from. It's a well-rounded system, and you don't have to go out right away and buy 3-rd party software in order to make use of it. On the pricing side, NeXTSTEP/I is going to be $600 - $700 . Think of it like this: You just bought a bunch of apps: Webster's Collegiate Dictionary: $50 The Complete Works of William Shakespeare: $50 Oxford Quotations: $50 Digital Librarian: $50 Edit, the NeXT word-processor/editor: $50 NeXT Mail, true multi-media, UNIX compatible electronic mail: $50 FaxReader: $50 Terminal, UNIX Shell tool: $50 PostScript preview: free (I'm generous today) Total (at very reasonable prices) $400 For the remaining $200 you get: Display PostScript, 9 Administration apps, Sun Network File System, RenderMan, Mac + DOS Disk building, and reading, Novel Network file system, Very fast PS printing, True WYSIWYG, 3 Adobe PS font families (Helvetica, Times, and Courier), TeX page processing language, The best FAX you've ever seen, Language support for English, French, Spanish, German, Swedish, (2 more which I can't recall), oh yeah Full Kanji Japanese!, and more... Then finally, you get shabby ol' UNIX and all thousand-or-so tools, for free. Not a bad deal, you didn't pay more than $50 for any of the apps, and half of them we're free. You got UNIX for free. What more could you want? (And that's not even the development system... if you payed the extra $1000, you get a C,C++, Objective-C compiler, gdb an *amazing* debugger, graphical debugging though Edit, InterfaceBuilder (that useless thing :-), ProjectBuilder, IconBuilder, over 100 objects in the AppKit, the IndexngKit, the 3DKit, the DBKit, the DBModeler, yacc, lex, prof, YAP, pft, all for half the price of the Sun C compiler). Now, if you *didn't* want all of those, then maybe one day NeXT will unbundle them, and give you just a plain raw NeXTSTEP that has nothing joyous in there for you to use. This would be nice for those that want it for $200, but I think at the moment NeXT is better off keeping it's product line narrow... The Japanese auto manufacturers came up with that one, and it really reduces operating costs. Well, actually maybe Henry Ford came up with that one (on the model-T, "You can buy it in any colour that you want. As long as it's black..." :-). - db
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Subject: Re: Looking for ISDN BRI users (preferably using NeXTSTEP OS) Message-ID: <1993Mar9.145430.29816@bmw.mayo.edu> Sender: newsman@bmw.mayo.edu (Usenet News Administrator) Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus References: <1993Mar9.072118.3905@relief.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 93 14:54:30 GMT In article <1993Mar9.072118.3905@relief.com> jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) writes: > We have ISDN extender at Ixion, here in Seattle, but when we asked the local > phone company (USWest) for a quote on ISDN BRI, they quoted $500/month for > each line!!!! Needless to say, we have not had ISDN installed. > > What are other people paying for BRI ISDN? Is $500/month as out of line as > it sounds? > > John Depends... USWest quoted us $75/month for BRI if/when it comes to fruition in Rochester MN, in early 1994. This had a caveat that you had to be within 3 miles of the Central Office. My understanding was that this was a technical limitation (ISDN requires powered repeaters every 5km). Those people outside of the 3mile radius who 'required ISDN would have to pay for the repeater costs - this may be where your $500/month cost is coming from. For large companies (like one in Rochester that is 4 miles from the CO, but happens to have $US60Billion budget) the added cost is negligible for them to start their ISDN trials. The prices will drop as more customers get BRI in their zone. Rochester is a relatively small town (75,000) so the 3 mile radius covers the most densely populated areas (like mine). -- - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Subject: Point-to-focus Message-ID: <1993Mar09.183332.150048@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1993 18:33:32 GMT Could someone please point me in the direction of a point-to-focus program for the NeXT. I seem to remember hearing about several but I don't remember where they are or what they are called. And no this isn't for me, I prefer click-to-focus. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NexTSteP 486 Date: 9 Mar 1993 15:27:00 -0500 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1niuikINN7lo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> References: <1993Mar9.173220.25531@nuscc.nus.sg> I guess it's silly to conjecture at this point about what Intel systems will or will not handle NSIntel with grace, but can someone explain the following terms to me? I'm not (as a Mac, NeXT and Sun user) familiar with pc graphics mess. I'm looking curiously at a system put out by Mobius Computer Corp. They make Sparc and Intel based workstations. Their 486 machines ship ONLY with flavors of UNIX. One machine is as follows: P466IS Protege series, 40 MIPS Enhanced 486 Server System 66MHz 486, 8 expansion slots, SVGA video card, EISA bus; 16 megabytes RAM expandable to 256MB; 512k cache; Bus-mastering SCSI - 2 controller; 540MB SCSI HD; Ethernet, 1.44 floppy; 2 serial 2 parallel ports. $4,040. Will NeXTStep run WELL on any cards which fill an EISA slot? Another Mobius system: Same as above but with only 8meg RAM; 210 SCSI HD: the difference is that this machine has 6 EISA slots, three of which are also VESA local bus slots. $2,975. The VESA/EISA thing is a bit confusing to me. I saw the NeXT doc onIntel based hw configurations. What are NeXTStep video options with above machines? Thanks Robert rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: zsh bad executable message fixed (was:A brief comparative study of UN*X shells ) Message-ID: <ANDERSON.93Mar9144243@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> Date: 9 Mar 93 19:42:43 GMT References: <ANDERSON.93Mar1070245@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> <1n204u$9vq@wwille.hanse.de> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University >>>>> On 3 Mar 93 10:09:34 GMT, wwille (To: zsh-list@cs.uow.edu.au) said: [much deleted...] ww> to Carl Edman for that. Remains the runtime enviroment, i ww> checked the changes i made. Failure is here, on my machine its ww> in the /etc/zshrc ww> -- snip --- ww> # use hard limits, except for a smaller stack and no core dumps ww> unlimit ww> limit stack 8192 ww> limit core 0 ww> #limit -s ww> -- snap -- the above works ww> I had outcommented the "limit stack 8192" which causes an ww> unlimited stacksize, with which zsh on an NeXT can't deal. Now ww> it works all fine. Just to confirm that after I put a limit on stacksize into my zsh init files, the "bad executable" problem has disappeared. So it looks like that's the answer. Thanks for the help, --Steve Anderson
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar8.212636.8702@informix.com> Date: 8 Mar 93 21:26:36 GMT Sender: news@informix.com (Usenet News) Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Funny how many of the Publications people here who are migrating from NeXTs to SparcStations ask the question, "Why doesn't NeXT port NeXTStep to the Sun?" I have had to admit my ignorance. Does anyone know why? -- +================================+================================+ | Rob Weinberg | Workstation publications tech | | Email : robertw@informix.com | Graphic designer | | Voice : 415-926-6754 | <imagine your ad here> | +================================+================================+
From: jsalcido@nmsu.edu (Jason Salcido) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <1nj43vINNs4h@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Date: 9 Mar 93 22:01:35 GMT Article-I.D.: dns1.1nj43vINNs4h Organization: New Mexico State University with the end of production of hardware could NeXT be possibly looking at porting their OS to amigas. It seems only logical since they make the BEST multimedia equipment available at a low price. They are comperable to PC's and have better sound and video. Just a thought... Jason
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: rprice@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rodney.price) Subject: source code for Date? Message-ID: <1993Mar9.222103.27799@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Followup-To: poster Keywords: source cose for Date Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 22:21:03 GMT I have looked at Date, which came bundled with NS2.1, as a calendar and appointment program, but I would like to make a few changes to it. Does anyone know if the source code is available, and if so, where I can get it? Thanks, Rod Price rprice@physics.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Conferencing software Message-ID: <1993Mar9.224349.6657@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 22:43:49 GMT Anyone know of any conferencing software that will run on a NeXT? Two-way sound over the net, with or without video? - Barre
From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP is a bargain! (Was: Re: NT Slipped again?) Date: 9 Mar 1993 23:00:08 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1nj7ho$gep@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Mar8.182046.15318@wam.umd.edu> <1993Mar9.042532.1312@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> <1993Mar9.161931.6548@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Perhaps...but do I have to buy NS again if I decide to switch platforms?
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Good Drawing software that handles EPS Imports well ?? Message-ID: <1132@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 9 Mar 93 00:07:33 GMT References: <1993Mar1.205722.9023@altsys.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com In article <1mkn5a$219@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: >I am looking for a good drawing software that can handle EPS files >better -- better than 3-year old TopDraw? PasteUp is not a drawing program per se, but it has excellent support for imported graphics, especially TIFF and EPS. >Specifically, I want: > >[1] Importing EPS files "by-reference". >So I can update the imported graphic without editing the >drawing document. I don't want to use Object Links for >my drawing purpose. You have your choice, in PasteUp, as to whether a graphic is imported by reference or physically copied into the document. In fact, there is a "Links" panel that lets you see all the link information for a document and even edit the paths to imported files. Furthermore, a PasteUp document is a "file wrapper", and linked files are actually symbolic links at the filesystem level to the imported files. This means that when you copy a document somewhere else (or to a floppy), the Workspace Manager notifies you about the links and lets you deal with them. This is a tremendous advantage to other mechanisms which require the original application to be running to manage the file links. If you update a file that is linked (imported by reference) into PasteUp, the file will update the next time you switch focus to the PasteUp window. Transformations are preserved, and even better, aspect ratios are preserved, so if you changed the bounding box of the imported graphic slightly, it won't distort when you update in PasteUp. >[2] If "import-by-reference" is not supported, then the ability >to replace an EPS image with a new one by importing or pasting >while keeping the image transformations intact. If the file is linked in PasteUp, the update is automatic. If you force the linked file to be imported into the document ("breaking" the link), then you can still use the "Replace" button on the Links panel to update to use a newer placed image. Again, all transformations are preserved. >[3] Inspector panel that shows the original pathname to imported >EPS or TIFF file (or %%Title: line of EPS file at the minimum). Our Links inspector shows lots of information for placed graphics, including: * document name (and path name, if they're different * date of last modification * whether it's a link or an imported file * what page it's on * the size (in bytes) of the imported file You can also sort the panel by page number, by file type, by size, or by status (linked, imported, etc). There is also (in the new 2.0 update coming out shortly) a mechanism for generating a Resource List from your document. This resource list is a separate text file that details all font use, color use, page sizes, and imported files in the document. It's intended for taking to a service bureau, but it has many other purposes as well. >[4] Ability to change the bounding box (crop box) of imported >EPS or TIFF. PasteUp supports cropping to arbitrary shapes, plus a new, easy-to-use Crop tool in the 2.0 version. Just draw a rectangle with the crop tool and drag-and-drop a TIFF or EPS file into it, and it automatically crops. You can then hold down the Control key to move the graphic inside the crop rectangle. >[5] Transfer function modification for EPS and TIFF -- >to change gamma and other parameters, without modifiying >the original EPS or TIFF files. This is convenient for >changing overall brightness, contrast of imported images. We don't do this yet. It's not very hard, though, and we're considering it for a future release. I've added it to the Wish List (wait, it's already on the wish list!) -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Loyal Customer Sale from RightBrain! (RTF) Message-ID: <1133@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 9 Mar 93 00:10:12 GMT References: <1993Mar6.232801.16047@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Alexander Swietlicki writes > In article <1118@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> info@rightbrain.com writes: > >PasteUp version 2.0 50% off > >during March! > In light of a recent post, it would be wise to find out if these > purchases include a free upgrade to a fat-binary version. Otherwise, > it'd be less of a sale, and more like let's-hit-the-loyal-ones-twice. We will support the fat-binary technology, and yes, you will get a free upgrade when it becomes available. Thanks for asking the question; we forgot to make that clear. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Message-ID: <1134@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 9 Mar 93 00:13:29 GMT References: <1128@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Greg Toews writes Glenn Heinle writes > > How can I print on a Mac a PS file genereted by a NeXT ? > I use a utility called SendPS on the Mac once I've got the file on disk > via Apple File Exchange. I can't remember where I got it from but > I do have it if anyone wants it. Heh heh heh. Look in the "Info" panel of SendPS for grins. :-) Kinda like gum stuck to the bottom of your shoe.... -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: **HSD SALE CONTINUES!!--EXTENDED TO MARCH 31** Message-ID: <1993Mar8.195038.5372@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 19:50:38 GMT Many customers have called to let us know that they only saw the post about our sale after it had already ended. Likely story..., but we've decided to extended the sale anyway. So here are the Winter Sale prices once again, avaialble now through March 31, 1993. HSD WINTER SALE UP TO 70% OFF RETAIL PRICES HARDWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Scan-X Professional(w/PowerScan) $1495- $1095- Scan-X Color(w/PowerScan) $1995- $1495- Scan-X DP20(w/Electrophile) $5995 $4495- Auto Document Feeder $449- $349- SOFTWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Simon Says $295- $99 OCR Servant $295- $99 HSD Spell(Includes 2 Languages) $195 $99 Additional Languages $99 $49 (11 Languages Available) SOFTWARE UPGRADES PRICE COMMENTS PowerScan (1.03) $99 For Scan-X Users Simon Says (1.1b) FREE To Registered Users OCR Servant (2.03) FREE To Registered Users HSD Spell (1.03) FREE To Registered Users Offer available until March 31, 1993. To place an order, contact HSD Sales at: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1350 Pear Ave., Suite C Mountain View, CA 94043 Ph: (800) 828-5522 or (415) 964-1400 Fax: (415) 964-1538 email: info@hsd.com Payment via credit card (Visa or Mastercard), or cashiers check. Educational, Government and Corporate P.O.'s subject to approval. - One Year Warranty on Hardware Products - 30 Day Money Back Guarantee on Hardware Products - No Quantity Limits Please contact me directly if you have any quesitons. Sincerely, -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
From: bbum@stone.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: (RTF) Ruler Fix for Stone Design Announcement Keywords: Newsgrazer, rtf, eat_bandwidth_and_die Message-ID: <1993Mar9.221059.6014@stone.com> Date: 9 Mar 93 22:10:59 GMT Article-I.D.: stone.1993Mar9.221059.6014 Sender: bbum@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Hello, This is my first RTF post-- but it does something useful. It resets the Rulers so that the left margin is really at the Left. Stone Design's RTF announcement (which is most excellent-- check it out (yes, that is a blatant plug)) had the left margin set to about 1/2 cm... After reading the announcement, the ruler used by the text object displays news is left with the newly placed left margin. The margin will remain unchanged until an RTF post with new ruler settings is read. This RTF post has the default ruler set in it (almost-- the right most tab is moved by a few pixels to force the settings to be written to the RTF stream). Therefore, all posts read after this one will have the default ruler as well... at least, they will have MY default ruler (which is pretty much stock)... As well, this RTF post does not use color anywhere. Because of this, the news reading window will NOT be promoted to a higher depth. This should help minimize the time spent reading news, or, at least, optimize the actual effort of reading news. have a nice day, b.bum -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L-C`*7&UA<F=R-C`*7'!A<F1<='@Q,34R7'1X,C,P-%QT>#,T-39<='@T M-C`X7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8Y,3)<='@X,#8T7'1X.3(Q-EQT>#$P-#0X7'1X,3$U M,C!<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,"!<"@I<8EQF<S,V($@* M7&(P7&D@96P*7&(@;`I<8C!<:3`@;RQ<"@I<9G,R-"`)5&AI<R!I<R!M>2!F M:7)S="`*7&(@4E1&"EQB,"`@<&]S="TM(&)U="!I="!D;V5S('-O;65T:&EN M9R`*7&D@=7-E9G5L"EQI,"`N7`I<"@E)="!R97-E=',@=&AE(`I<8EQI(%)U M;&5R<PI<8C!<:3`@('-O('1H870@=&AE(&QE9G0@;6%R9VEN(&ES(')E86QL M>2!A="!T:&4@3&5F="X@(%P*7`H)4W1O;F4@1&5S:6=N)W,@"EQB(%)41@I< M8C`@(&%N;F]U;F-E;65N="`H=VAI8V@@:7,@;6]S="!E>&-E;&QE;G0M+2!C M:&5C:R!I="!O=70@*'EE<RP@=&AA="!I<R!A(&)L871A;G0@<&QU9RDI(&AA M9"!T:&4@;&5F="!M87)G:6X@<V5T('1O(&%B;W5T(`I<:2`Q+S(*7&DP("`* M7&D@8VT*7&DP("XN+B!<"EP*"4%F=&5R(')E861I;F<@=&AE(&%N;F]U;F-E M;65N="P@=&AE(')U;&5R('5S960@8GD@=&AE('1E>'0@;V)J96-T(&1I<W!L M87ES(&YE=W,@:7,@;&5F="!W:71H('1H92!N97=L>2!P;&%C960@;&5F="!M M87)G:6XN("!4:&4@;6%R9VEN('=I;&P@<F5M86EN('5N8VAA;F=E9"!U;G1I M;"!A;B`*7&(@4E1&"EQB,"`@<&]S="!W:71H(&YE=R!R=6QE<B!S971T:6YG M<R!I<R!R96%D+EP*7`H)5&AI<R`*7&(@4E1&"EQB,"`@<&]S="!H87,@=&AE M(`I<8EQI(&1E9F%U;'0@<G5L97(*7&(P7&DP("!S970@:6X@:70@*&%L;6]S M="TM('1H92!R:6=H="!M;W-T('1A8B!I<R!M;W9E9"!B>2!A(&9E=R!P:7AE M;',@=&\@9F]R8V4@=&AE('-E='1I;F=S('1O(&)E('=R:71T96X@=&\@=&AE M(%)41B!S=')E86TI+B`@5&AE<F5F;W)E+"!A;&P@<&]S=',@<F5A9"!A9G1E M<B!T:&ES(&]N92!W:6QL(&AA=F4@=&AE(`I<8EQI(&1E9F%U;'0@<G5L97(* M7&(P7&DP("!A<R!W96QL+BXN(&%T(&QE87-T+"!T:&5Y('=I;&P@:&%V92!- M62`*7&)<:2!D969A=6QT(')U;&5R"EQB,%QI,"`@*'=H:6-H(&ES('!R971T M>2!M=6-H('-T;V-K*2XN+EP*7`H)07,@=V5L;"P@=&AI<R`*7&(@4E1&"EQB M,"`@<&]S="!D;V5S(&YO="!U<V4@8V]L;W(@86YY=VAE<F4N("!"96-A=7-E M(&]F('1H:7,L('1H92!N97=S(')E861I;F<@=VEN9&]W('=I;&P@3D]4(&)E M('!R;VUO=&5D('1O(&$@:&EG:&5R(&1E<'1H+B`@5&AI<R!S:&]U;&0@:&5L M<"!M:6YI;6EZ92!T:&4@=&EM92!S<&5N="!R96%D:6YG(&YE=W,L(&]R+"!A M="!L96%S="P@;W!T:6UI>F4@=&AE(&%C='5A;"!E9F9O<G0@;V8@<F5A9&EN M9R!N97=S+EP*7`H*7&)<:5QF<S,R(`EH879E(&$@;FEC92!D87DL7`H*7&DP ,(`EB+F)U;5P*"GT* ` -- <bbum@stone.com> | "I ride tandem with the random... Stone Design Corp | ...things don't run the way I planned them." p.gabriel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rosario@oceanlaw.com Subject: Re: The End of NextStations Message-ID: <1993Mar9.080457.996@oceanlaw.com> Sender: rosario@oceanlaw.com References: <1993Mar8.040023.12450@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 08:04:57 GMT In article <1993Mar8.040023.12450@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes: > About 6 monts, I was laughed off this place, yet again. I pointed out > that Next was heading for doom > If you want to respond, then please send e-mail. I only post here twice a year at most. > > > W Well that's a relief. I would hate to read this guy more than that. -------------------------------- Rosario Perry rosario@oceanlaw.com -------------------------------- -- -------------------------------- Rosario Perry rosario@oceanlaw.com
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Point-to-focus Message-ID: <64944@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 10 Mar 93 04:06:11 GMT References: <1993Mar09.183332.150048@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993Mar09.183332.150048@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: > Could someone please point me in the direction of a point-to-focus program > for the NeXT. the Terminal replacement Stuart allows you to choose between point and click to focus its shareware available on sonata and other archive sites it has many nice features that make it worthwhile no matter how you feel about this religous issue. -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: SciPlot 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Mar10.040350.6120@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <1netjpINN8jk@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 04:03:50 GMT In article <1netjpINN8jk@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.mpg.de writes: >SciPlot 3.1 is available! > >You can find it on: >ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de (/pub/NeXT/science/SciPlot3.1.tar.Z, 130.149.17.7) >or order it via NeXTMail from mike@fiasko.rz-berlin.de > >Mike > To save wear and tear on trans-pond lines, I have uploaded SciPlot3.1.tar.Z to cs.orst.edu. Its currently in /pub/next/submissions. Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Message-ID: <C3nMqq.Ft2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1128@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1134@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 03:51:48 GMT glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: >Greg Toews writes >Glenn Heinle writes >> > How can I print on a Mac a PS file genereted by a NeXT ? >> I use a utility called SendPS on the Mac once I've got the file on disk >> via Apple File Exchange. I can't remember where I got it from but >> I do have it if anyone wants it. >Heh heh heh. >Look in the "Info" panel of SendPS for grins. >Kinda like gum stuck to the bottom of your shoe.... Don't worry, Glenn, hardly anyone ever uses it anymore... LaserWriter Font Utility in System 7 is more flexible. :-) (I think it's on the 'Tidbits' or 'More Tidbits' disk... egads, who the hell named these disks?) (sorry to say I have to support Macs and PCs in my work too) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: arnim@umn.edu (Arnim Walter Sauerbier) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <C3nqJ5.AvL@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <1993Mar8.212636.8702@informix.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 05:13:51 GMT Robert Weinberg (robertw@informix.com) wrote: : Funny how many of the Publications people here who are migrating from NeXTs to : SparcStations ask the question, "Why doesn't NeXT port NeXTStep to the Sun?" Umm, because Sun and NeXT have been on what might be called 'unfriendly terms' to put it mildly. _\\\/ = ..' . . . . Arnim Sauerbier . . C \) arnim@delbrueck.med.umn.edu \ -
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 00:25:18 EST From: <TAMIL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93069.002518TAMIL@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Are you going to NW Expo from Toronto Canada ? Are you Going to NW Expo from Toronto Canada ? Hello, If you live in Toronto, Canada and are going to NWExpo then we can save some money by getting a charted flight. I have a friend who works in the travel industry, she is willing to put together a package deal if I can get about 10 people. The problem is that all of us have to leave and return at the same time ( so returning in one day while the group stays for 3 days is a no no, but this can be arranged for a slight service charge. ). If you are planing on attending then I need the following info from you, once the prices are confirmed I will let you know about this by E-Mail. 1. Are you planing on staying all 3 days of NWE ? 2. Are you willing to share a room with another person ? 3. Would you like to stay at a 5 star hotel ( holiday inn ) or a motel ( How about red roof in ). ? Thanks Jay tamil@qucdn.queensu.ca Publisher, CD-ROM NeWS For the NeXT Computer
From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Message-ID: <C3ny53.Ay1@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: 10 Mar 93 07:58:15 GMT References: <1128@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1134@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <C3nMqq.Ft2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics In article <C3nMqq.Ft2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@uiuc.edu writes: [ ] > >Don't worry, Glenn, hardly anyone ever uses it anymore... >LaserWriter Font Utility in System 7 is more flexible. :-) >(I think it's on the 'Tidbits' or 'More Tidbits' disk... egads, who >the hell named these disks?) Well I use SendPS and prefer it over Apple's LaserWriter Font Utility. The one thing that would be nice is for SendPS 2.0 to look for the driver in the Extensions folder. As it is, you have to move it out of there (the LaserWriter driver). I could not get Apple's utility to work with my HP-4M. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BANG CD-ROM? Message-ID: <1993Mar10.004625.2622@bluerose.com> Date: 10 Mar 93 00:46:25 GMT References: <00969415.D064FAC6@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. In article <00969415.D064FAC6@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU writes: > I'm kinda surprized that I've seen no "reviews" of BaNG's recently released > CD-ROM. I haven't received mine yet; so I'm curious! Anyone have any comments on the BaNG CD-ROM? We are sorry that only about half have shipped so far. We hope to have the remainder out by Friday. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: isc10328@nusunix1.nus.sg (FONG SIU LUN) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NexTSteP 486 Message-ID: <1993Mar9.173220.25531@nuscc.nus.sg> Date: 9 Mar 93 17:32:20 GMT Sender: usenet@nuscc.nus.sg Organization: National University of Singapore Hello everyone, Does anyone have any info on when NexTStep 486 will be out and the full specs on the OS? Any info contributions will be very welcome. Thanks in advance. Brian Fong Internet: isc10328@nusunix3.nus.sg
From: citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BaNG CD-ROM? Message-ID: <00969415.D064FAC6@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Date: 9 Mar 93 22:13:11 GMT Distribution: na,local Organization: University of Arizona I'm kinda surprized that I've seen no "reviews" of BaNG's recently released CD-ROM. I haven't received mine yet; so I'm curious! Anyone have any comments on the BaNG CD-ROM? Don
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: BaNG CD-ROM? Message-ID: <1993Mar10.114748.27837@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <00969415.D064FAC6@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 11:47:48 GMT In article <00969415.D064FAC6@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU writes: >I'm kinda surprized that I've seen no "reviews" of BaNG's recently released >CD-ROM. I haven't received mine yet; so I'm curious! Anyone have any comments on the BaNG CD-ROM? The last meeting announcement I saw (several weeks ago) said they would be handed out to members at the meeting or sent immediately to members (like me) who lived farther away. A day or two later, I also got reassuring email saying it would arrive shortly. I'm a fairly patient person, but this has gotten ridiculous. In my opinion, the operation is dishonest. I've been waiting not quite 14 months. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Date: 9 Mar 1993 23:36:59 -0600 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <1njupr$fpa@imladris.cubetech.com> References: <1993Feb26.192304.110622@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1993Mar6.212945.3708@bernina.ethz.ch> <1nfd92$e0s@imladris.cubetech.com> <Afau3r_00Voj4BhFBW@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <Afau3r_00Voj4BhFBW@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 8-Mar-93 Re: Public Key >Encryption -.. Andrew Loewenstern >>Where is DES being used in NeXTSTEP? >In the crypt() library call...which, among other things, is used to >verify a user's password. (Try "man 3 crypt" -- it's somewhat crypt() only encrypts a constant string with the key (your password) and then salts it. It's useless for general data encryption, which is why it's a-ok. encrypt() is different. However, I believe you can obtain a license for DES (not RSA or whatever) export to non-COCOM restricted countries. andrew
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar10.135339.22243@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <1993Mar8.212636.8702@informix.com> <C3nqJ5.AvL@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 13:53:39 GMT In article <C3nqJ5.AvL@news2.cis.umn.edu> arnim@umn.edu (Arnim Walter Sauerbier) writes: >Robert Weinberg (robertw@informix.com) wrote: >: Funny how many of the Publications people here who are migrating from NeXTs to >: SparcStations ask the question, "Why doesn't NeXT port NeXTStep to the Sun?" > >Umm, because Sun and NeXT have been on what might be called 'unfriendly terms' >to put it mildly. True, but business is business. *Rumor* has it that there will be a Sparc port by the end of the year (note that sparc is more than just Sun.) Guess we'll have to wait for Steve's May announcements to really see what's up. Charlie >_\\\/ >= ..' . . . . Arnim Sauerbier . . >C \) arnim@delbrueck.med.umn.edu > \ - -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: NeXTworld registration info ? Message-ID: <1993Mar10.140038.22829@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 14:00:38 GMT I'm still hoping to find the time and money to attend the NeXTworld expo (may 25-27, san francisco). I've recieved the info from Conrad (vol. 6, issue 2) which states that I either call or send a fax to recieve registration information. But maybe you can help me with the following questions: o what is the expected registration fee for the expo? o is there a combined flight/hotel/expo "ticket"? o is it worth the money/time (it will cost me >$1000)? o any cheap hotels/car rent/...? Thanks, -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rasm@vnet.ibm.com(Pete Rasmussen) Subject: What does UpgradePrep.app do? Sender: @watson.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Mar10.164033.38759@watson.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 16:40:33 GMT News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17d by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research Is it possible to upgrade a non-networked, floppy-less cube from 2.1 to 3.0, or do I need to buy a floppy drive? It seems as if I need to run UpgradePrep.app: what does this do?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tagoldth@spine.med.utoronto.ca (Thomas A. Goldthorpe) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Organization: University of Toronto Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 16:57:57 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar10.165757.18173@epas.toronto.edu> References: <1993Mar8.212636.8702@informix.com> <C3nqJ5.AvL@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@epas.toronto.edu (USENET) In article <C3nqJ5.AvL@news2.cis.umn.edu> arnim@umn.edu (Arnim Walter Sauerbier) writes: >Robert Weinberg (robertw@informix.com) wrote: >: SparcStations ask the question, "Why doesn't NeXT port NeXTStep to the Sun?" >Umm, because Sun and NeXT have been on what might be called 'unfriendly terms' This is indeed funny, since I seem to remember that a good portion of the NeXT stuff was developed on sun3's before they had thier own hardware. I can't verify this (I'm sure someone can). If it really is the case, then NeXT already even knows how to talk to most sun devices, so that part would have been done ages ago. If anything, since the same old sun devices (plus a couple of new ones) still exist on the sparc, NeXT would have an easy time of it. Besides, I would like to see that hell of a new os (solaris, what a crock!) crushed. I would prefer a berkeley (+cmu) os with a good interface anyday! NeXTStep as an interface is dreamy as compared to sun's stuff, and NeXT-Mach definitely qualifies as the os. Anyway, the only thing NeXT would have to worry about is the architecture of the processor itself (and the different sun mmu styles, one of which they should already have known about). As far as the question of porting NeXTStep, I doubt it would be possible without porting NeXTMach anyway, since it uses the Mach stuff heavily. tom
From: dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: could someone e-mail me a Sybase man page? Message-ID: <1nk8n5INNbvo@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 10 Mar 93 08:26:13 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1nk8n5INNbvo Distribution: usa Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University I've been trying to do some work with Sybase at school. I was trying to read the on-line man page for for Sybase on my machine but it is garbled. Can someone e-mail me the file /NextLibrary/Documentation/Sybase/SQLUG/sql07.nr much thanks. Dion -- Dion Dock __ __ NeXT mail? working on it / ) / ) / dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu / / o ______ / / _____. /_ /__/_<_(_) / <_ /__/_(_) (__/ <_
From: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Arbitron Message-ID: <1993Mar10.173708.18131@ohm.york.ac.uk> Date: 10 Mar 93 17:37:08 GMT References: <1099@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1120@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK In <1120@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: >When you changed the location of your home directory, you probably made >the change in NetInfo, but my guess is that Arbitron uses /etc/passwd to >figure out where the user's home directories are. Try using "nidump" to >make a shadow copy of /etc/passwd: > nidump . passwd > /etc/passwd >That might fix it. For now (until the next change of users) - but better, why not modify arbitron itself to make it netinfo aware - ie either the brute force way (have an "nidump passwd ." (is that the right way round Glen :-) ) into a file at the start of the code and use the file, or possibly more usefully nidump piped into the awk commands. Its a while since I looked at arbitron and I don't have a copy to hand, but that should be easy to do (pinch the code used for YP/NIS passwds). In fact do the changes neatly, have a test built in to check for the existance of netinfo and make that select the netinfo routines, and then mail the whole lot to Brian Reid - its about time there was a change to arbitron - I think it was last changed in 89! >But hey, my brother wrote Arbitron, so it must be something you're doing, >not the program itself :-) :-) How many computing Reids are there on the internet - are there any other multitalented internet families?? (Does this mean you had a hand in the postscript maps that Brian produces??) Nigel. -- # Nigel Metheringham -- (NeXT) EMail: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk # # System Administrator, Electronics Dept, University of York # # York YO1 5DD. Phone: +44 904 432374, Fax: +44 904 432335 #
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: .pfb Font Installation Message-ID: <1993Mar10.083606.19577@mic.ucla.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 10 Mar 93 08:36:06 PST I have bought a rather nice set of fonts from SoftMaker, called infiniType, containing 124 typefaces for a discount price of about $60. These fonts are advertised in a number of magazines as Adobe Type-1 postscript fonts for windows and other programs. (SoftMaker's phone is 619-929-6030; please don't ask me for a more detailed description.) I have already figured out that their installation produces .pfb and .afm files. I understand that I have to look at the afm file to find out the font name, create a .font directory under /LocalLibrary/Fonts with that name, rename the .pfb and .afm file to this font name, remove the .pfb extension, and run buildafmdir. To check if this works, I then run Edit.app. I can see the new font as an entry in the font panel, together with its sizes. Unfortunately, the font used/displayed-in-font-panel is not the right font. Instead, it appears to be Helvetica 12pt. A larger font size is recognized by Edit.app in that large spaces are left blank above and below the 12pt Helvetica characters. What am I doing wrong? /ivo
From: shanega@athena.mit.edu (Shane G. Artis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software Subject: How do I get a demo versin of Virtuoso? Date: 10 Mar 1993 16:08:17 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sender: shanega@athena.mit.edu Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1nl3phINNkjb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Subject says it all...Is there a publically available demo version of Virtuoso? If there is not, does anyone know who I contact to get one (preferably via e-mail)? Shane
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu (Eskandar Ensafi) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP is a bargain! (Was: Re: NT Slipped again?) Message-ID: <1993Mar10.185701.13543@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department References: <1nj7ho$gep@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 18:57:01 GMT In article <1nj7ho$gep@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: > Perhaps...but do I have to buy NS again if I decide to switch platforms? This is going to be a pain -- a $1700 or so pain (I think this was the last announced price for the developer version) But then, some vendors such as Dell might be selling machines bundled with NeXTSTEP, and a bundle is _usually_ cheaper than buying a PC & NS separately. I'm in the same boat as you -- I'll wait and see. But I _really_ don't want to own a PC (I'd much rather get my hands on a HP/9000 715/50 or SPARCstation 10 running NeXTSTEP/Fast! Hek, I'll even settle for an HP 715/33 over a PC...) Again, let's wait 'til May and see... Eskandar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) Subject: Re: NexTSteP 486 Message-ID: <1993Mar10.210448.2680@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1niuikINN7lo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 21:04:48 GMT Robert Delucca writes > The VESA/EISA thing is a bit confusing to me. I saw the NeXT doc > onIntel based hw configurations. What are NeXTStep video options > with above machines? There are several types of PC buses, with differing levels of performance. ISA is the cheapest and slowest. Avoid ISA systems unless you are a patient person. EISA extended the bus width to handle more data. EISA-based SVGA cards will perform acceptably, but only in 2-bit gray mode with NS/I. VESA is a standards organization, and they have a standard now for LocalBus that video card manufacturers are starting to build to. There will be confusion for a while with the stunt that DELL pulled, but something reasonable should come out of it. VESA local bus will perform the best, as it will have the biggest pipe to memory - depending on the specific card, of course. Grab the NeXT Intel hardware specifications, there are several LocalBus video cards mentioned that will be able to do 16-bit color. These will also perform better than a generic SVGA card on any bus. (Good framebuffer access is not a part of the SVGA "standard"). Welcome to the PC world of gratuitous complexity and push-pull standards. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar10.213316.10487@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <1993Mar8.212636.8702@informix.com> <C3nqJ5.AvL@news2.cis.umn.edu> <1993Mar10.165757.18173@epas.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 21:33:16 GMT In article <1993Mar10.165757.18173@epas.toronto.edu> tagoldth@spine.med.utoronto.ca (Thomas A. Goldthorpe) writes: >In article <C3nqJ5.AvL@news2.cis.umn.edu> arnim@umn.edu (Arnim Walter Sauerbier) writes: >>Robert Weinberg (robertw@informix.com) wrote: >>: SparcStations ask the question, "Why doesn't NeXT port NeXTStep to the Sun?" >>Umm, because Sun and NeXT have been on what might be called 'unfriendly terms' > >This is indeed funny, since I seem to remember that a good portion of >the NeXT stuff was developed on sun3's before they had thier own >hardware. I can't verify this (I'm sure someone can). If it really Yep. In fact, the 0.8 operating system had the nifty ability to be able to run Sun 68k binaries. Anybody else remember using atom to convert Sun binaries? Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Daniel T. Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What does UpgradePrep.app do? Date: 11 Mar 1993 00:23:11 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support Message-ID: <1nm0pfINNalf@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> References: <1993Mar10.164033.38759@watson.ibm.com> In article <1993Mar10.164033.38759@watson.ibm.com> rasm@vnet.ibm.com(Pete Rasmussen) writes: > Is it possible to upgrade a non-networked, floppy-less > cube from 2.1 to 3.0, or do I need to buy a floppy drive? > It seems as if I need to run UpgradePrep.app: what > does this do? UpgradePrep replaces the 2.x kernel with a (modified?) 3.0 kernel. This is required to read the CDROM. If your machine has recent ROMs (doubtful) you can boot from CD directly and do a fresh install (but make sure you're backed up! this will overwrite, not upgrade your current disk). Other than that you need to either get a floppy drive, or have a friend copy the stuff from the upgrade floppy to an OD (which I presume you have). -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group 313/998-6265
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: SoftPC Pro .pkg needed Message-ID: <1993Mar10.090608.19954@mic.ucla.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Distribution: usa Date: 10 Mar 93 09:06:08 PST I bought SoftPC Pro, and received my package. It included a CD-ROM, for which I unfortunately no longer own a drive. Could some kind sould please ftp a locked copy of the .pkg file into my NeXT? (I received my own, private codes to unlock, of course.) Thanks. /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar11.033253.1514@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Mar10.213316.10487@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 03:32:53 GMT At the BANG meeting a few weeks back, Steve said that NeXT was talking to Sun, but that nothing had been decided yet. My guess is that NeXT would be well-off porting to as many platforms as possible, since Windows NT is being ported to a few too. Besides -- NS on a fast SPARC would be _sweet_. A NeXT newbie, (counting the days till May 25 so I can rip DOS off this poor 486 of mine) Adam Elman aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Mar11.033503.1621@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1nj43vINNs4h@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 03:35:03 GMT Jason Salcido (jsalcido@nmsu.edu) wrote: : with the end of production of hardware could NeXT be possibly : looking at porting their OS to amigas. It seems only logical since : they make the BEST multimedia equipment available at a low price. : They are comperable to PC's and have better sound and video. My guess is not -- Amigas are 68K machines, but their video/audio hardware are quite proprietary, and the Amiga market is very small compared to the Intel or SPARC markets. Adam Elman aelman@cs.stanford.edu
From: jauderho@umich.edu (Jau Der Ho) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IRC Date: 11 Mar 1993 04:41:52 GMT Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nmfug$sl2@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Originator: jauderho@rilke.ccs.itd.umich.edu Does anyone know of where and how I could install IRC and Chat on the NeXT such I can run it from my home directory. obviously I am sharing the Next with other people so I would need to run it from just my homedirectory. FTP sites of the stuff would be great. Thanks. --Jauder -- Jauder Ho <--- Stressed out Physics major | ==========================================| If it ain't broke, the.animate@um.cc.umich.edu (Long id eh?) | don't fix it. jauderho@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oops!kjell (Kjell Nilsson) Subject: Is NeXTSTEP coming to HP Message-ID: <1993Mar10.095806.3438@oops.se> Sender: kjell@oops.se Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 09:58:06 GMT Hi I have heard rumors that NS is to be ported to HP:s RISC platform. Is that true? Kjell ------ Kjell Nilsson #########Left side - Right side - You never know.################
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar10.155630.4709@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Mar8.212636.8702@informix.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 15:56:30 GMT In article <1993Mar8.212636.8702@informix.com> robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg) writes: > Funny how many of the Publications people here who are migrating from NeXTs to > SparcStations ask the question, "Why doesn't NeXT port NeXTStep to the Sun?" > > I have had to admit my ignorance. Does anyone know why? Given install base and market I would be SHOCKED if NeXT did not port to Sun. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP is a bargain! (Was: Re: NT Slipped again?) Message-ID: <C3qC57.7Jv@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Mar9.161931.6548@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 14:55:54 GMT In article <1993Mar9.161931.6548@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > On the pricing side, NeXTSTEP/I is going to be $600 - $700 . Does anyone know the real price? Is there a discount for educational customers? Can I order it today- and should I to avoid waiting when it's released in May? > oh yeah Full Kanji Japanese!, and more... Really?! I don't think so, but I'd love to be wrong. The fonts alone would be worth the price of admission. Why haven't I heard this confirmed on next-nihongo? Probably 'cause it's not true. :-) > Then finally, you get shabby ol' UNIX and all thousand-or-so > tools, for free. Not to mention all the magnificent free and shareware programs available. I don't anticipate needing to buy any software for my future '486 NeXT anytime soon, just as I don't for my NeXT here at work. Well, it'll be harder to get at the free stuff from home, but everywhere's harder than here! :-) Allen B (nova: where everything's a mouse-click away)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <C3qCJ8.8Gy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Mar11.033503.1621@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 15:04:20 GMT In article <1993Mar11.033503.1621@leland.Stanford.EDU> yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes: > Jason Salcido (jsalcido@nmsu.edu) wrote: > : with the end of production of hardware could NeXT be possibly > : looking at porting their OS to amigas. > My guess is not -- Amigas are 68K machines, but their video/audio > hardware are quite proprietary, and the Amiga market is very small > compared to the Intel or SPARC markets. I disagree. The newer '040 Amigas should be a snap to port to, and the builtin (AGA) graphics and sound might be good enough to use. The low porting costs might be enough to offset the (initially) small market. "Proprietary"'s got very little to do with it. The operative word here is "standardized". You don't have to worry about which graphics cards to support if you can get by on the native chips. Of course it would be good to support Toasters and other devices. Since I put an '040 in my Amiga a year ago, I've wondered about this very question, and I think it's a great idea. It really depends on how well the new machines sell and where the line is headed next. ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Message-ID: <1993Mar10.145047.523@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X References: <0fabB8S00WB5AACKxv@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 14:50:47 GMT In article <0fabB8S00WB5AACKxv@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 6-Mar-93 Re: Public Key > Encryption -.. by Florian Gutzwiller > > NeXTSTEP is being shipped with DES outside of the US. > > Ain't this illegal? > > Please define "shipped with"? Is NeXT installing their OS in the US > with DES and then shipping the machines outside the US, or are they > shipping machines with blank hard drives outside the US, and then > installing the OS? > > If it's the former, then yes, it does violate US export laws. If it's > the second, no. > > For the sake of example, look at the FSF's libc library. The FTP sites > in the US encrypt the code that performs the DES encryption algorithm, > to prevent non-US people from anonymously FTP'ing the DES code, in > violation of US law. > > There are non-US sites that they tell you to get the unencrypted version > from. Also, you can send mail to them from a US e-mail site, and > they'll send the decryption key to you. This is legal -- stretching > things, perhaps, but technically legal. > Look at Andy Tanenbaums great book 'Computer Networks' (Prentice-Hall), there is a good description of DES and a Pascal-Program, too. All this cold-war nonsense in the US becomes more & more ridiculous ... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Mein liebster Grabspruch: Hier ruhen meine Beine, ich wollt, es waeren Deine! ------------------------------------------------------------------
From: greg@carnivore.tamu.edu (Greg Economides) Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,sci.image.processing,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: image file format info needed Followup-To: alt.cd-rom Date: 11 Mar 1993 16:45:52 GMT Organization: Center for Biosystems Modelling, Texas A&M University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nnqc0INNba0@tamsun.tamu.edu> Summary: who has format for ycc images on Kodak photo-cd and another .scf CD-ROM? I am posting this for a friend of mine. Feel free to reply to me, if you like. ----------------------------------------- Hello, I do not have regular access to internet and I am wondering whether anyone knows or has access to the file format that Kodak has for its new Photo CD's. I have a unix machine (next) not a mac or PC clone. So far I have learned that each picture on a Kodak Photo CD corresponds to a file that has that image in several different size formats 128 x 192, 256 x 384 512 x 768 - video size 1024 x 1536 2048 x 3072 and uses a kodak encoding scheme PHOTO_YCC with several tricks here and there. I believe it is 24bit. Kodak will sell you a development kit library which can read and write their image files but it costs $395, a little hefty for the non-developer. You can find out about these by calling kodak 1-800-242-2424 extension 53. Kodak photo-cd roms can be written to more then once. Most CD-Rom drives can read a single session of writing but not multi-sessions. Apparently software to read multi-session has come out for the PC market as low as $40. Any help with this would be appreciated. While I have your attention. I recently bought a CD-Rom "Multimedia Audubon's Birds" from Creative Multimedia Corporation of Portland Oregon. They use a image file format that I am also unaware with a .scf extension, this format was started by some other early multi-media company. Does anyone know about this? I have not gotten the developer's to return my phone calls. As before.... Any help with this would be appredicated. Thanks Mark Jansen Baroque Chair Press 1100 Berkeley Street College Station, TX 77840 (409) 693-8686 -- Greg Economides, Systems Administrator, Center for Biosystems Modelling Texas A&M University WERC 214-O Internet: econ@tamu.edu, Phone: (409) 845-9574
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <C3qGx1.JpI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <C3qCJ8.8Gy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 16:39:00 GMT In article <C3qCJ8.8Gy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: > In article <1993Mar11.033503.1621@leland.Stanford.EDU> > yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes: > > Jason Salcido (jsalcido@nmsu.edu) wrote: > > : with the end of production of hardware could NeXT be possibly > > : looking at porting their OS to amigas. > > My guess is not -- Amigas are 68K machines, but their video/audio > > hardware are quite proprietary, and the Amiga market is very small > > compared to the Intel or SPARC markets. > > I disagree. The newer '040 Amigas should be a snap to port to, and the > builtin (AGA) graphics and sound might be good enough to use. The low > porting costs might be enough to offset the (initially) small > market. > Just because the port is a snap doesn't mean that it would be a wise business decision. If you port it and then make it commercially available you are committing yourself to providing a certain level of support. This means providing upgrades as well as day to day efforts. If the market isn't very big then it might not be worth it to commit to providing NS 4.0 and 5.0 for the Amiga platform. -- Jon Haveman ,_~o Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, Purdue University jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (*)/'(*) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home) (317) 494-6156 (Office) (317) 494-9658 (Fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Sun on the Run - from Open Systems Today Message-ID: <1993Mar11.184655.25182@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Mar1.161139.25608@fnbc.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 18:46:55 GMT Drew Davidson (drew@fnbc.com) wrote: : : Copied without permission from Open Systems Today, March 1, 1993: : ============================================================================= : Sun Offers Trade-In Deal to Next Users : : Just a week after Next announced it would sell its hardware business, Sun : Microsystems launched a workstation trade-in program offering Next users as : much as an $8,000 price break on Sun machines. : For $12,500, a Next workstation can be traded for a Sun SPARCstation 10 : Model 30 with a 19-inch color monitor, a system normally list priced at : $20,500, said Sun's Todd Kelsay, senior product manager for the SPARCstation : 10. Users also can trade a Next box and get an $18,500 Model 30 with a 19-inch : grayscale monitor for $12,000, Kelsay said. : Customers could hold on to their Next box for six months after the trade-in : to give them time to port software to SPARC-Solaris, he said. : Next users would gain a significant increase in performance by switching to : Sun. Next's fastest boxes, the $8,995 NextStation Color Turbo and the $5,995 : NextStation Turbo, are rated at only 25 MIPS, while Sun's Model 30 has been : benchmarked at 101.6 MIPS. : Nevertheless, Sun may not have an easy time getting Next devotees off : NextStep. The software has won strong - and what some observers describe as : almost fanatical - support from users. : Oh goody. I can tell my boss that for only 12 kilobucks per crack, I can downgrade everyone to a system that has 1/13 the functionality, but does that 4 times as fast. Joy. Bliss. Hey, we can teach everyone emacs. That will take care of that 100 mips. You betcha. Hey Sun. Stop sending me advertising blurbs and faxes until you sell a machine with mach and NS3++ on it. -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <tlm.731872746@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1nj43vINNs4h@dns1.NMSU.Edu> <1993Mar11.033503.1621@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 17:59:06 GMT In <1993Mar11.033503.1621@leland.Stanford.EDU> yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes: >: with the end of production of hardware could NeXT be possibly >: looking at porting their OS to amigas. It seems only logical since >: they make the BEST multimedia equipment available at a low price. >: They are comperable to PC's and have better sound and video. >My guess is not -- Amigas are 68K machines, but their video/audio >hardware are quite proprietary, and the Amiga market is very small >compared to the Intel or SPARC markets. >Adam Elman >aelman@cs.stanford.edu Ahem, this stuff is probably all better left to .advocacy, but let me ask what you mean by "small"? There have been 7 MILLION Amigas sold worldwide. The comments about the proprietary nature of the varios Amiga features are correct, but that's precisely the sort of detail that gets worked outwhen you arrange a port. I think the biggest impediment to porting NeXTstep to an Amiga is that (unlike DOS or even Solaris) NS isn't that much of an improvement over what the Amigas already have. Again, this shoudl all be taken to advocacy. Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: "Stone Design Announces Create 3.0" Message-ID: <1993Mar11.191115.26030@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Mar6.231450.15785@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 19:11:15 GMT Alexander Swietlicki (swiet@poincare.cs.jhu.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Mar3.143748.29269@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: : >Oh, I see. So you think that paying for one copy of a program and use it on : >two machines is fine as long as they are different machines (68K and Intel)? : > : >Instead, if I have a 68k at home and a 68k at work, I should buy two copies. : > : >That does not make a lot of sense to me. : > : >(if what you want is being able to dump your 68k x years from now and use : >your software on a different machine, that would be nice, but not many : >vendors do that, I think). : : But those who bought software for the 030 cube did not have to buy : new copies when they got their 040 upgrades. So, the 030 and 040 are both : Motorola chips. Same principle, though. Vendors should ship one "fat" : version of the program. Selling hardware-specific versions could quickly : alienate the original (and most evangelistic) NeXT users. And losing the : backbone of the just-recently-turned-fledgling-software-company community : would not be such a good idea, especially for NeXT. : Further, many people have a computer at home and at work. Borland introduced the "Treat it like a book" software license. Of course not all vendors are this reasonable. It's quite likely that some of the 70,000 next owners out there are going to become two Next owners. (We have 4 home nexts in our group.) -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar11.193258.26824@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Mar8.212636.8702@informix.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 19:32:58 GMT Robert Weinberg (robertw@informix.com) wrote: : Funny how many of the Publications people here who are migrating from NeXTs to : SparcStations ask the question, "Why doesn't NeXT port NeXTStep to the Sun?" : : I have had to admit my ignorance. Does anyone know why? : Sun's CEO was reputed to have said, NextStep on Sun? I'd rather poke needles in my eyes" However, another rumour has him and Steve walking the sidewalks outside their Redwood City office... -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
From: wisdom@geom.umn.edu (Scott Wisdom) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <C3qsq5.484@news.cis.umn.edu> Date: 11 Mar 93 20:53:42 GMT Article-I.D.: news.C3qsq5.484 References: <1nj43vINNs4h@dns1.NMSU.Edu> <1993Mar11.033503.1621@leland.Stanford.EDU> <tlm.731872746@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: Geometry Center, University of Minnesota In article <tlm.731872746@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: >Ahem, this stuff is probably all better left to .advocacy, >but let me ask what you mean by "small"? There have been 7 >MILLION Amigas sold worldwide. The comments about the proprietary >nature of the varios Amiga features are correct, but that's >precisely the sort of detail that gets worked outwhen you arrange >a port. How many of those 7 MILLION are capable of running NeXTSTEP? i.e., how many are 68040's + 12MB-24MB + 150MB/340MB HD ? That 7 MILLION figure drops sharply to a tiny fraction. Most of the Amigas are WAY too underpowered to run NeXTSTEP. >I think the biggest impediment to porting NeXTstep to an >Amiga is that (unlike DOS or even Solaris) NS isn't that much >of an improvement over what the Amigas already have. And all lobiests will leave washington D.C. tonight and give us our government back. >Again, this shoudl all be taken to advocacy. Nah. Why bother. Might as well take to to old.socks.advocacy for all the good it will do. SW wisdom@geom.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: second scsi drive - help Message-ID: <1993Mar11.204743.29462@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <5521@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 20:47:43 GMT Yadin Y. Goldschmidt (yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu) wrote: : I have connected to my Nextstation running 3.0 a second hard drive (dec 1 : gB). I have encountered several problems: : 1. Following the instructions I added an item in /etc/fstab : however the system ignored it and did not mount the disk where I specified : but created a directory with the disk label and mounted it there. The : files were owned by the person logging on first. Only when I deleted the : 'noauto' option in fstab did the system mount the disk where I wanted. : What is the correct way to mount the disk? fstab is only used at boot time. You would have to reboot it to get it to mount where you want. If it is marked noauto then commands like mount -at 4.3 don't affect it. And that's the way it's done in /etc/rc. : 2. There is no recycler on the second disk and if I try to recycle : something I get a warning that it be destroyed. How can I create a : recycler? Note that I put the system files on this disk just in case I : will need in the future to boot from it, but I do not use it now as a boot : disk. File permissions problems. Create a directory on the new disk called .NextTrash It should have permissions drwxrwxrwt. (The latter allows anyone to create files in .NextTrash, but only the owner can delete. This is a way to get around disk quotas; but my Daily script empties the trash at night, so don't do it here...) : 3. I tried to move a user home directory to the second disk by changing : his home directory with User manager and copying his files there. But when : he tried to log on from the console, instead of his home icon there was a : box with a question mark inside. Also preferences does not seem to work : properly for example unix expert mode does not take effect. : The problem with copying his files is that the copies get created with your umask, and are owned by you. A much better way to copy someone's directory tree is this: cd ~user cd .. tar -cf - ~user | tar -xpC new/file/system -f - : Can anybody help me how to overcome these difficulties? Is it a problem : with the drive? with the system? What am I doing wrong? : Sure. -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP is a bargain! (Was: Re: NT Slipped again?) Message-ID: <1993Mar11.211946.631@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Mar9.161931.6548@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 21:19:46 GMT NS 2.2 had 9,000 files in it. 3.0 I'm sure is bigger. 700 bucks is 70000 cents, or about 8 cents per file. Hmmm. Or there were some 700 executables. How 'bout $1 per program... -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP is a bargain! (Was: Re: NT Slipped again?) Date: 11 Mar 1993 22:47:02 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nofh6$167@agate.berkeley.edu> > NS 2.2 had 9,000 files in it. 3.0 I'm sure is bigger. 700 bucks is > 70000 cents, or about 8 cents per file. Hmmm. > Or there were some 700 executables. How 'bout $1 per program... -- > Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= Perhaps...but do I have to pay for it again? Is that a bargain? Aren't fat binaries there to promote cross-platform compatability and thereby emphasize SOFTWARE rather than HARDWARE choices. John Badanes romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <tlm.731886382@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1nj43vINNs4h@dns1.NMSU.Edu> <1993Mar11.033503.1621@leland.Stanford.EDU> <tlm.731872746@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 21:46:22 GMT In <tlm.731872746@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: >>: They are comperable to PC's and have better sound and video. >Ahem, this stuff is probably all better left to .advocacy, >but let me ask what you mean by "small"? There have been 7 >MILLION Amigas sold worldwide. The comments about the proprietary >nature of the varios Amiga features are correct, but that's >precisely the sort of detail that gets worked outwhen you arrange >a port. I think the biggest impediment to porting NeXTstep to an >Amiga is that (unlike DOS or even Solaris) NS isn't that much >of an improvement over what the Amigas already have. A couple of people have pointed out that what I meant might be unclear. What I mean is that NS is definitely superior to DOS and Solaris (by orders of magnitude in my opinion) but may not be all that much better than what Amigas have *for the purposes for which most people buy Amigas* Obviously, most of the people reading this newsgroup (correctly) regard Nextstep as teh greatest of operating systems :) >Again, this shoudl all be taken to advocacy. Which I now repeat! >Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Conferencing software Message-ID: <1993Mar11.230933.4697@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Mar9.224349.6657@dhhalden.no> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 23:09:33 GMT For the audio part, get Talk. For a NS type equivalence to write, get Chat For multiperson drawing (roughly Draw) get Greyboard Borre Ludvigsen (borrel@dhhalden.no) wrote: : Anyone know of any conferencing software that will run on a NeXT? Two-way sound over : the net, with or without video? : : - Barre : -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Message-ID: <1139@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 10 Mar 93 06:17:18 GMT References: <Afau3r_00Voj4BhFBW@andrew.cmu.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Charles William Swiger writes > In the crypt() library call...which, among other things, is used to > verify a user's password. (Try "man 3 crypt" -- it's somewhat > interesting!) Hmmmm. That is interesting. I wonder if it's unique to NeXT. Would somebody with a Sun or SGI machine care to type "man 3 crypt" to see if the man page is generic to all these systems? -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Mar11.235115.2943@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 11 Mar 93 23:51:15 GMT References: <tlm.731872746@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: : In <1993Mar11.033503.1621@leland.Stanford.EDU> yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes: : : : >: with the end of production of hardware could NeXT be possibly : >: looking at porting their OS to amigas. It seems only logical since : >: they make the BEST multimedia equipment available at a low price. : >: They are comperable to PC's and have better sound and video. : : >My guess is not -- Amigas are 68K machines, but their video/audio : >hardware are quite proprietary, and the Amiga market is very small : >compared to the Intel or SPARC markets. : : >Adam Elman : >aelman@cs.stanford.edu : : : Ahem, this stuff is probably all better left to .advocacy, : but let me ask what you mean by "small"? There have been 7 : MILLION Amigas sold worldwide. The comments about the proprietary ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ How many of those are capable of running NeXTSTEP? : nature of the varios Amiga features are correct, but that's : precisely the sort of detail that gets worked outwhen you arrange : a port. I think the biggest impediment to porting NeXTstep to an : Amiga is that (unlike DOS or even Solaris) NS isn't that much : of an improvement over what the Amigas already have. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Have you ever _USED_ a NeXT. For more than a couple of minutes? Well, I suppose there ARE more games available for the Amiga. Thought not. : Tom -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: How do I get a demo versin of Virtuoso? Message-ID: <1993Mar11.162907.23363@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1nl3phINNkjb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 16:29:07 GMT In article <1nl3phINNkjb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> shanega@athena.mit.edu (Shane G. Artis) writes: >Subject says it all...Is there a publically available demo version of >Virtuoso? If there is not, does anyone know who I contact to get one >(preferably via e-mail)? > >Shane > I tried posting the Demo version of Virtuoso to sonata, so look there. I will look to see if it's there. I do not have FTP so need to use a sonata-like service to post the Demo. Any suggestions and hints for a place to put a Demo? (I am something of a Net-Neophyte) I also have some minor updaters and tech notes I'd like to distribute... The Demo is a crippled copy that won't save or export or print or supply a clipboard with data. We're working on a fully functional, date-bombed version as well. If you'd like a demo in the short term and don't mind snail-mail send e-mail to me or virtuoso-info@altsys.com. We try to avoid e-mailing this rascal as it's almost 2 MB. Thanks All -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Encouraged Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Cross posts in NewsGrazer--Do they work? Message-ID: <1993Mar11.214325.2152@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 21:43:25 GMT Whenever I try to crosspost an article using NewsGrazer the article does not show up at our local site. For instance, this article is being crossposted and I've no idea if it will go out on the net, becuase I won't get to see it locally. Does anyone have a fix for the problem? This message is also serving as a bit of a test... if I receive any replies, I'll at least know that the article goes out! Thanks in advance. -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Software Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - use NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
From: zac@dolphin.com (Zacharias J. Beckman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can't Open DPS??? Help! Message-ID: <1993Mar11.214007.2037@dolphin.com> Date: 11 Mar 93 21:40:07 GMT Sender: zac@dolphin.com Distribution: usa Organization: Dolphin Software Has anyone an explanation why, fairly recently, our server lost its ability to use 'playscore'? This is what happens when I try: /Users/zac/Apps/hours% playscore ./chimes/five playscore reading ./chimes/five... ...done Can't open DSP. /Users/zac/Apps/hours% ll /dev/dsp crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 3, 3 Jul 30 1992 /dev/dsp /Users/zac/Apps/hours% On another machine it plays the score, rather than saying "Can't open DSP." We haven't done anything recently that made a large-scale change to the machine (such as upgrading to 3.0; it already is a 3.0 machine). Any help would be appreciated! -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Software Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - use NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
From: pauld@umbc.edu (Mr. Paul C. Danckaert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Mail from a Non-Next? Message-ID: <1n3mm4INN1oi@xs24g02.acslab.umbc.edu> Date: 4 Mar 93 01:40:20 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus I use an SGI Indigo, but I have friends who use NeXTs and would like to send and receive NeXT Mail from me. Are there packages available or a process you could go through to make nextmail from another system? I use Pine for my mail and it does support including graphics/sound.. could this be used? Thanks.. -- --- Paul Danckaert - pauld@umbc.edu --------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Shoopy.. ----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <C3s7GK.G1z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <tlm.731886382@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 15:09:56 GMT In article <tlm.731886382@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: > A couple of people have pointed out that what I meant might be unclear. > What I mean is that NS is definitely superior to DOS and Solaris (by > orders of magnitude in my opinion) but may not be all that much better > than what Amigas have *for the purposes for which most people buy > Amigas* That could be so. I've never considered running ordinary UNIX on my Amiga or replacing it with a simple UNIX machine. NeXTstep would be much better (trust me, I've used NeXTstep a >lot<) for some of the things I use my Amiga for, but if you just use canned programs, it probably wouldn't matter much to Joe Consumer. ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP is a bargain! (Was: Re: NT Slipped again?) Message-ID: <C3s7ow.Gpu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1nofh6$167@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 15:14:56 GMT In article <1nofh6$167@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: > Aren't > fat binaries there to promote cross-platform compatability and thereby > emphasize SOFTWARE rather than HARDWARE choices. UNIX in general has always promoted software and (here's the difference) at the >source< level. NeXT is trying to allow people to use UNIX binary only, which is interesting, but I'd still rather have source to everything. I understand why they do what they do, and I wish them luck, but once they get out to a few more platforms, I wonder how obese the binaries are going to get? ab
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Old Hardware and ADB? Date: 12 Mar 1993 17:14:51 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nqgebINN5t2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Now that NeXT has given up making hardware, It would be nice if they released details of how to upgrade old turbo machines to ADB operation. Three good reason for them to do this: 1) It would be a sign of good faith to their current users. Which given they have just ophened us would be nice. 2) It would hopefully minimise there requirements to keep spares for the old keyboards...given that hopefully most people would be able to upgrade then when things like keyboards fail, people can simply replace them with a Mac keyboard and not have to give NeXT grief about how to get hold of keyboards and mice. 3)for those who can not upgrade there would be a larger stock of keyboards available when there's eventually gives up. Thus I would suggest to NeXT that this is both an economically good idea as well as one their current users would see as a sign of good faith. Well we can all dream! john
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Mar11.171013.11635@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Mar11.033503.1621@leland.Stanford.EDU> <C3qCJ8.8Gy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 17:10:13 GMT >Since I put an '040 in my Amiga a year ago, I've wondered about this very >question, and I think it's a great idea. It really depends on how well >the new machines sell and where the line is headed next. I can't imagine that there will be enough companies buying 040 based amigas to justify the expenese and diversion of resources. The technical issues are secondary. Though, it would be interesting to see how many amigas run 12-16 bit color on 10x7 displays -- // Joe Freeman jfreem@uncecs.edu // // The opinions espressed here are my own and are not // shared by my former employer, future employer, anyone
From: mcullen@rothko.symantec.com (Michael Cullen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SMPT manager for the NeXT Date: 12 Mar 1993 18:10:30 GMT Organization: Symantec Corporation Message-ID: <1nqjmmINNtf@grumpy.symantec.com> I need to know if there are any good SMTP manager for the NeXT. I have an '030 cube and a spark station. I would like to use both machines to manage my WAN (which consisits of pc's, mac's, ACC routers, a cisco, and a couple of HP mini's). Please respond to mcullen@rothko.symantec.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sircomp@bcarh90.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Message-ID: <1993Mar12.150031.285@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. References: <Afau3r_00Voj4BhFBW@andrew.cmu.edu> <1139@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 15:00:31 GMT In article <1139@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >Charles William Swiger writes > >> In the crypt() library call...which, among other things, is used to >> verify a user's password. (Try "man 3 crypt" -- it's somewhat >> interesting!) > >Hmmmm. That is interesting. I wonder if it's unique to NeXT. >Would somebody with a Sun or SGI machine care to type "man 3 crypt" >to see if the man page is generic to all these systems? > >-- > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com > RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) > Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 From HP-UX 8.0 ==> crypt(3C) crypt(3C) NAME crypt, setkey, encrypt - generate hashing encryption etc etc etc. Does that look the same? later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill: sircomp@bnr.ca |"It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper NeXTmail preffered at: | of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. rob@hobbes.oghma.ocunix.on.ca | Get it?" - Ren Hoek
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Date: 12 Mar 93 18:27:18 GMT Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science Message-ID: <SOWA.93Mar12112718@amdew.llnl.gov> References: <tlm.731872746@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <1993Mar11.235115.2943@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> In-reply-to: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu's message of 11 Mar 93 23:51:15 GMT tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: : I think the biggest impediment to porting NeXTstep to an : Amiga is that (unlike DOS or even Solaris) NS isn't that much : of an improvement over what the Amigas already have. Tom has already explained this comment, which I must admit looks kind of strange taken out of context and does not even really say what Tom meant to say. Dash it, though, I can't resist following up the following followup. >>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Hendry <tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu> writes: Jonathan> Have you ever _USED_ a NeXT. For more than a couple of minutes? Jonathan> Well, I suppose there ARE more games available for the Amiga. Of course he has! You would know that if you paid attention to his frequent useful contributions to comp.sys.next.[whatever]. And you should know that one of the finest pieces of software on the NeXT, and one which I'm sure Dr. Marchioro uses daily to perform REAL WORK, had its origins in the world of Amiga. I am referring to TeXview by Tomas Rokicki of Radical Eye Software. Yes, NeXTTeX owes quite a bit to AmigaTeX, don't you know. Not that I'd ever switch. Jonathan> Thought not. No, I suppose you didn't, but you might try it sometime *before* flaming one of this newsgroup's more valuable contributors for one careless post. -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randy@appsoft.com(Randy Adams) Subject: Are You Using WriteNow Legally? Message-ID: <C3sM0r.78@appsoft.com> Sender: news@appsoft.com Organization: APPSOFT Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 20:24:26 GMT Are You Using WriteNow Legally? It has come to our attention that there is some confusion about the terms of the license for WriteNow which came bundled with early NeXT machines and the legality of using that copy of WriteNow on newer machines. If you bought your new NeXT machine after October 1, 1991 and you are running a copy of WriteNow (a version that saves and prints) on that machine and you haven't licensed it from Appsoft, you are probably breaking the law. Machines shipped by NeXT in the US after October 1, 1991 (and elsewhere after November 1, 1991) no longer contained a full working copy of WriteNow bundled with the system software. The WriteNow software which was bundled with machines prior to October 1, 1991 was provided under a personal single user license (meaning that the owner could only run it on one machine at a time). If you bought a machine before October 1, 1991 and want to run simultaneous copies of WriteNow on machines bought after October 1, 1991, you need to buy a WriteNow license from Appsoft. If you own only machines bought after October 1, 1991 and are running WriteNow (the version that saves and prints) you also need to buy a license from Appsoft. Appsoft understands that many people may not have realized that they were using illegal copies of WriteNow and as a result we have created an amnesty period (until April 30, 1993) in which you can call our toll free number (1-800-428-2777 or 1-415-617-0595) , pay a small fee, register your copy and receive a valid license to run it on your machine. As a registered user, you will be entitled to full technical support, receive upgrade notices and bug fixes. After the amnesty period, Appsoft will work with the Software Publisher's Association (SPA) to ensure that the terms and conditions of the WriteNow licenses are enforced. If you have questions or need further information, please email: writenow@appsoft.com
From: jeff@apl.washington.edu (jeff schindall) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: some NS486 questions Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 12 Mar 1993 21:09:35 GMT Organization: Applied Physics Lab/UW Distribution: world Message-ID: <jeff-120393130725@mac-jeff.apl.washington.edu> I'll be purchasing a system in the near future, and until now I was going to get a quadra 950. I definitely DO NOT want MS windows, but am intrigued about the possibility of going with NS486. I have a few questions that may or maynot have been adressed in this group. Where can I find a good source of NS reviews/benchmarks...? (the flame wars here and cswa are entertaining, but leading nowhere real fast) Will most NeXT apps be ported to NS486 by 25may? If not when? Will Mathematica still be bundled with NS for academic users? I might be wrong, but I seem to remember mathematica being bundled with Next systems in the past. Is AppleTalk printing and/or filesharing supported? How about support for yucky windows applications? For example, will I be able to use MS word and print to a networked printer under NS486? My work will involve some image analysis(I currently use SpyGlass), what is available for NS? What are some other scientific plotting and analyis packages? Thanks in advance. -jeff schindall
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: grw@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (George Wu) Subject: What does 16-bit color really mean ? Message-ID: <1993Mar12.204339.12141@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 20:43:39 GMT Recently I read the NS486 hardware compatibility list and noticed that only 16-bit color was supported even on graphics cards that offered 24-bit color hardware support. I assumed the 16-bit color support under NS486 is the same as the 16-bit color support on the NeXTStation Color which is 4-bits of RGB and Alpha respectively. Since I am interested in doing grayscale work this clearly appeared to be inadequate as only 16 grayscales are available. However, I was informed by someone from netland that the 16-bit color support under NS486 may not be the same as that under the NeXTStation Color. I have since re-read the NS486 hardware compatibility list and found that the exact kind of 16-bit color support is not defined. So, what I would like to know is will NS486 support an "8-bit PseudoColor + 8-bit Alpha" 16-bit color mode ? Any comment is appreciated. George
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: "Win Free Trip To Expo with Stone Art '93 (ascii)" Message-ID: <1993Mar12.194759.568@stone.com> Keywords: Stone Design, NEXTWORLD EXPO, Free Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 19:47:59 GMT News For Immediate Release For more information, contact: Carla Kay Barlow 505-345-4800 Stone Design Announces StoneArt '93 Contest ============================================== ALBUQUERQUE, NM, March 12, 1993 Stone Design has launched the StoneArt '93 art and database-design contest, promising the winner a round-trip ticket to NeXTWORLD Expo. "Send us your best artwork, and we'll send you to the Expo," said Andrew Stone, CEO of Stone Design. "Whether you're a Create master or a 3D guru, or have designed a killer database, this is your chance to show your stuff." Stone Design is accepting submissions of Create artwork, 3DReality artwork and DataPhile database templates, beginning immediately and ending April 25. The company will review the submissions and announce a winner by April 30, and will award the winner his or her choice of round-trip plane or train tickets from anywhere in the continental United States to San Francisco for NeXTWORLD Expo, May 25-27, 1993. In addition to the winning submission, exceptional work will be displayed in Stone Design's booth at the Expo. "We've got a great setup planned this year, with machines dedicated to demonstrate our products, users' submissions and the work of other third-party companies," Andrew Stone said. "Our booth will also have ample space to double as a gallery of printed submissions." Stone Design's exhibit at the Expo will include separate areas for the company's three top programs DataPhile, Create and 3DReality and a fourth area called the Developer's Lounge. Users and small developers are encouraged to make "guest appearances" in the Stone booth, both to help demonstrate Stone's user-friendly wares and to demo their own software. "We want to give young third parties a shot at some free booth time; it's a small but meaningful way to foster the developer base of the NeXTSTEP market," explained Andrew Stone. Users interested in submitting work to StoneArt '93 should send to info@stone.com: * for Create submissions, the original .create file * for 3DReality, the original .3DReality file AND a single rendered image (.tiff only, please) * for DataPhile, a data-less .dp file (clone/template) including View Browser notes per view. Submitted .create, .3DReality and image files become the property of Stone Design. Should a database template win the contest, Stone reserves the right to distribute the template with DataPhile; in the case of non-winning but exceptional database designs, Stone will create screenshots for booth-display purposes and will not own the work. Users and developers who would like to participate in product demonstrations during the Expo should write to info@stone.com and note the times during which they will be available for booth appearances; developers should also describe, and if possible send, the software they would like to demonstrate. Users who do not have access to electronic mail should contact Stone Design by regular mail. Stone Design Corporation of Albuquerque, New Mexico, founded in 1984, develops a variety of business productivity applications for NeXTSTEP computers. # # # DataPhile, Create and 3DReality are trademarks of Stone Design Corporation. NeXTSTEP is a trademark of NeXT Computer, Inc. All other brand names mentioned are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners. -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: "Win Free Trip To Expo with Stone Art '93 (rtf)" Message-ID: <1993Mar12.194728.499@stone.com> Keywords: Stone Design, NEXTWORLD EXPO, Free Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 19:47:28 GMT 2425 Teodoro NW, Albuquerque NM 87107 Phone 505 345 4800 Fax 505 345 3424 Email info@stone.com News For more information, contact: For Immediate Release Carla Kay Barlow Stone Design Announces StoneArt '93 Contest ALBUQUERQUE, NM, March 12, 1993 Stone Design has launched the StoneArt '93 art and database-design contest, promising the winner a round-trip ticket to NeXTWORLD Expo. "Send us your best artwork, and we'll send you to the Expo," said Andrew Stone, CEO of Stone Design. "Whether you're a Create master or a 3D guru, or have designed a killer database, this is your chance to show your stuff." Stone Design is accepting submissions of Create artwork, 3DReality artwork and DataPhile database templates, beginning immediately and ending April 25. The company will review the submissions and announce a winner by April 30, and will award the winner his or her choice of round-trip plane or train tickets from anywhere in the continental United States to San Francisco for NeXTWORLD Expo, May 25-27, 1993. In addition to the winning submission, exceptional work will be displayed in Stone Design's booth at the Expo. "We've got a great setup planned this year, with machines dedicated to demonstrate our products, users' submissions and the work of other third-party companies," Andrew Stone said. "Our booth will also have ample space to double as a gallery of printed submissions." Stone Design's exhibit at the Expo will include separate areas for the company's three top programs DataPhile, Create and 3DReality and a fourth area called the Developer's Lounge. Users and small developers are encouraged to make "guest appearances" in the Stone booth, both to help demonstrate Stone's user-friendly wares and to demo their own software. "We want to give young third parties a shot at some free booth time; it's a small but meaningful way to foster the developer base of the NeXTSTEP market," explained Andrew Stone. Users interested in submitting work to StoneArt '93 should send to info@stone.com: for Create submissions, the original .create file for 3DReality, the original .3DReality file AND a single rendered image (.tiff only, please) for DataPhile, a data-less .dp file (clone/template) including View Browser notes per view. Submitted .create, .3DReality and image files become the property of Stone Design. Should a database template win the contest, Stone reserves the right to distribute the template with DataPhile; in the case of non-winning but exceptional database designs, Stone will create screenshots for booth-display purposes and will not own the work. Users and developers who would like to participate in product demonstrations during the Expo should write to info@stone.com and note the times during which they will be available for booth appearances; developers should also describe, and if possible send, the software they would like to demonstrate. Users who do not have access to electronic mail should contact Stone Design by regular mail. Stone Design Corporation of Albuquerque, New Mexico, founded in 1984, develops a variety of business productivity applications for NeXTSTEP computers. # # # DataPhile, Create and 3DReality are trademarks of Stone Design Corporation. NeXTSTEP is a trademark of NeXT Computer, Inc. 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From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Win Free Trip To NeXTWORLD Expo with Stone Art '93 Message-ID: <7025@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 12 Mar 93 21:48:03 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy News For Immediate Release For more information, contact: Carla Kay Barlow 2425 Teodoro NW Albuquerque NM 87107 Phone: 505-345-4800 Fax: 505 345 3424 Email: info@stone.com Stone Design Announces StoneArt '93 Contest ALBUQUERQUE, NM, March 12, 1993 - Stone Design has launched the StoneArt '93 art and database-design contest, promising the winner a round-trip ticket to NeXTWORLD Expo. "Send us your best artwork, and we'll send you to the Expo," said Andrew Stone, CEO of Stone Design. "Whether you're a Create master or a 3D guru, or have designed a killer database, this is your chance to show your stuff." Stone Design is accepting submissions of Create artwork, 3DReality artwork and DataPhile database templates, beginning immediately and ending April 25. The company will review the submissions and announce a winner by April 30, and will award the winner his or her choice of round-trip plane or train tickets from anywhere in the continental United States to San Francisco for NeXTWORLD Expo, May 25-27, 1993. In addition to the winning submission, exceptional work will be displayed in Stone Design's booth at the Expo. "We've got a great setup planned this year, with machines dedicated to demonstrate our products, users' submissions and the work of other third-party companies," Andrew Stone said. "Our booth will also have ample space to double as a gallery of printed submissions." Stone Design's exhibit at the Expo will include separate areas for the company's three top programs: DataPhile, Create and 3DReality and a fourth area called the Developer's Lounge. Users and small developers are encouraged to make "guest appearances" in the Stone booth, both to help demonstrate Stone's user-friendly wares and to demo their own software. "We want to give young third parties a shot at some free booth time; it's a small but meaningful way to foster the developer base of the NeXTSTEP market," explained Andrew Stone. Users interested in submitting work to StoneArt '93 should send to info@stone.com: * for Create submissions, the original .create file * for 3DReality, the original .3DReality file AND a single rendered image (.tiff only, please) * for DataPhile, a data-less .dp file (clone/template) including View Browser notes per view. Submitted .create, .3DReality and image files become the property of Stone Design. Should a database template win the contest, Stone reserves the right to distribute the template with DataPhile; in the case of non-winning but exceptional database designs, Stone will create screenshots for booth-display purposes and will not own the work. Users and developers who would like to participate in product demonstrations during the Expo should write to info@stone.com and note the times during which they will be available for booth appearances; developers should also describe, and if possible send, the software they would like to demonstrate. Users who do not have access to electronic mail should contact Stone Design by regular mail. Stone Design Corporation of Albuquerque, New Mexico, founded in 1984, develops a variety of business productivity applications for NeXTSTEP computers. # # # DataPhile, Create and 3DReality are trademarks of Stone Design Corporation. NeXTSTEP is a trademark of NeXT Computer, Inc. All other brand names mentioned are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Steve Jobs on the UnixWorld cover page Message-ID: <1993Mar12.073301.4441@nic.csu.net> From: sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) Date: 12 Mar 93 07:33:00 PST Distribution: world Organization: San Francisco State University take a look at UnixWorld April 1993. Steve Jobs is the cover story. -- Mul | Alt. address: sulistio@futon.sfsu.edu sulistio@sutro.sfsu.edu | NeXTmail -> sarong!sulistio@cs.sfsu.edu #include "std/disclaimer.h" | sulistio@chop.isca.uiowa.edu >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randy@appsoft.com(Randy Adams) Subject: Re: Are You Using WriteNow Legally Message-ID: <C3ssux.1HJ@appsoft.com> Sender: news@appsoft.com Organization: APPSOFT Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 22:52:08 GMT For everyone's information, machines with serial numbers above the following were purchased after October 1, 1991 and may need WriteNow licenses: NeXTstation B/W: ABB0022579 NeXTstation Color: ABC0009222 NeXTcube & N/D's: ABA0004377
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Mar12.204856.13489@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 12 Mar 93 20:48:56 GMT References: <SOWA.93Mar12112718@amdew.llnl.gov> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) writes: : : : Jonathan> Have you ever _USED_ a NeXT. For more than a couple of minutes? : Jonathan> Well, I suppose there ARE more games available for the Amiga. : : Of course he has! You would know that if you paid attention to his : frequent useful contributions to comp.sys.next.[whatever]. And you : should know that one of the finest pieces of software on the NeXT, and : one which I'm sure Dr. Marchioro uses daily to perform REAL WORK, had : its origins in the world of Amiga. I am referring to TeXview by Tomas : Rokicki of Radical Eye Software. Yes, NeXTTeX owes quite a bit to : AmigaTeX, don't you know. Not that I'd ever switch. Oops. Didn't know that. I guess I've been spending a little too much time over in ms-windows.adv. Next time a stop in there I'll have to take some popcorn, considering the amount of flamage. My apologies for an unwarranted attack. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Date: 13 Mar 1993 00:12:01 GMT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Message-ID: <1nr8sh$skh@umd5.umd.edu> References: <1993Mar8.212636.8702@informix.com> <1993Mar11.193258.26824@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> In article <1993Mar11.193258.26824@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) writes: >Sun's CEO was reputed to have said, NextStep on Sun? I'd rather poke >needles in my eyes" So where do we ship the needles, and how many can we get? :-) >However, another rumour has him and Steve walking the sidewalks outside >their Redwood City office... I think it would be cool to have NeXTstep on Sun hardware. >=> Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= >=> University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= >=> tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <= ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ The hearing ear is always found close to the speaking tongue, a custom whereof the memory of man runneth not howsomever to the contrary, nohow.
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Printing on a Mac a NeXT ps file... Message-ID: <1141@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 13 Mar 93 00:38:16 GMT References: <C3ny53.Ay1@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Philip McDunnough writes > In article <C3nMqq.Ft2@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@uiuc.edu writes: [Re: SendPS] > >Don't worry, Glenn, hardly anyone ever uses it anymore... > >LaserWriter Font Utility in System 7 is more flexible. :-) > >(I think it's on the 'Tidbits' or 'More Tidbits' disk... egads, who > >the hell named these disks?) > > Well I use SendPS and prefer it over Apple's LaserWriter Font Utility. The > one thing that would be nice is for SendPS 2.0 to look for the driver in > the Extensions folder. As it is, you have to move it out of there (the > LaserWriter driver). > > I could not get Apple's utility to work with my HP-4M. The amazing thing about SendPS is that it was last compiled in about 1986, as far as I know. I don't think anybody maintained it at Adobe after I left. The fact that it works at all under System 7 gives credit to Apple for leaving well enough alone in their AppleTalk code, their OS code, and whatever else is required for such a program to still work. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Message-ID: <1993Mar12.165803.11759@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <1139@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 16:58:03 GMT In article <1139@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > Charles William Swiger writes > > > In the crypt() library call...which, among other things, is used to > > verify a user's password. (Try "man 3 crypt" -- it's somewhat > > interesting!) > > Hmmmm. That is interesting. I wonder if it's unique to NeXT. > Would somebody with a Sun or SGI machine care to type "man 3 crypt" > to see if the man page is generic to all these systems? SunOS Release 4.1.2's man page for crypt: ----------------------------------------------------------------- CRYPT(3) C LIBRARY FUNCTIONS CRYPT(3) NAME crypt, _crypt, setkey, encrypt - password and data encryp- tion SYNOPSIS char *crypt(key, salt) char *key, *salt; char *_crypt(key, salt) char *key, *salt; setkey(key) char *key; encrypt(block, edflag) char *block; DESCRIPTION crypt() is the password encryption routine, based on the NBS Data Encryption Standard, with variations intended (among other things) to frustrate use of hardware implementations of the DES for key search. The first argument to crypt() is normally a user's typed password. The second is a 2-character string chosen from the set [a-zA-Z0-9./]. Unless it starts with `##' or `#$', the salt string is used to perturb the DES algorithm in one of 4096 different ways, after which the password is used as the key to encrypt repeatedly a constant string. The returned value points to the encrypted password, in the same alphabet as the salt. The first two characters are the salt itself. If the salt string starts with `##', pwdauth(3) is called. If pwdauth returns TRUE, the salt is returned from crypt. Otherwise, NULL is returned. If the salt string starts with `#$', grpauth (see pwdauth(3)) is called. If grpauth returns TRUE, the salt is returned from crypt. Otherwise, NULL is returned. If there is a valid reason not to have this authentication happen, calling _crypt avoids authenti- cation. The setkey and encrypt entries provide (rather primitive) access to the DES algorithm. The argument of setkey is a character array of length 64 containing only the characters with numerical value 0 and 1. If this string is divided into groups of 8, the low-order bit in each group is ignored; this gives a 56-bit key which is set into the machine. This is the key that will be used with the above mentioned algorithm to encrypt or decrypt the string block with the function encrypt. Sun Release 4.1 Last change: 6 October 1987 1 CRYPT(3) C LIBRARY FUNCTIONS CRYPT(3) The argument to the encrypt entry is a character array of length 64 containing only the characters with numerical value 0 and 1. The argument array is modified in place to a similar array representing the bits of the argument after having been subjected to the DES algorithm using the key set by setkey. If edflag is zero, the argument is encrypted; if non-zero, it is decrypted. SEE ALSO login(1), passwd(1), getpass(3V), pwdauth(3), passwd(5) BUGS The return value points to static data whose content is overwritten by each call. Sun Release 4.1 Last change: 6 October 1987 2 ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com > RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) > Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.xyx.next.software From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: ***HSD ANNOUNCES HUGE SALE -THROUGH MARCH 31, 1993*** Message-ID: <1993Mar13.014758.1739@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 01:47:58 GMT In anticipation of the upcoming release of NeXTSTEP INTEL, we're having our biggest sale ever of HSD products for use with your current NeXT hardware. Check out these prices... HSD WINTER SALE UP TO 70% OFF RETAIL PRICES HARDWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Scan-X Professional(w/PowerScan)$1495- $1095- Scan-X Color(w/PowerScan) $1995- $1495- Scan-X DP20(w/Electrophile) $5995 $4495- Auto Document Feeder $449- $349- SOFTWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Simon Says $295- $99 OCR Servant $295- $99 HSD Spell(Includes 2 Languages) $195 $99 Additional Languages $99 $49 (11 Languages Available) SOFTWARE UPGRADES PRICE COMMENTS PowerScan (1.03) $99 For Scan-X Users Simon Says (1.1b) FREE To Registered Users OCR Servant (2.03) FREE To Registered Users HSD Spell (1.03) FREE To Registered Users Offer available until February 28. To place an order, contact HSD Sales at: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1350 Pear Ave., Suite C Mountain View, CA 94043 Ph: (800) 828-5522 or (415) 964-1400 Fax: (415) 964-1538 email: info@hsd.com Payment via credit card (Visa or Mastercard), or cashiers check. Educational, Government and Corporate P.O.'s subject to approval. - One Year Warranty on Hardware Products - 30 Day Money Back Guarantee on Hardware Products - No Quantity Limits Please contact me directly if you have any quesitons. Sincerely, -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wick@stone.com Subject: Re: SMPT manager for the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar13.015901.552@stone.com> Sender: wick@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp References: <1nqjmmINNtf@grumpy.symantec.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 01:59:01 GMT In article <1nqjmmINNtf@grumpy.symantec.com> mcullen@rothko.symantec.com (Michael Cullen) writes: > I need to know if there are any good SMTP manager for the NeXT. I have an > '030 cube and a spark station. I would like to use both machines to ^^^^^ Kind of appropiate considering this experience I had heard of where this person got this brand new SPARC-10, set it up, turned it on, and watched a 4 foot flame shoot out of the side of monitor. Now that's a spark!!! pete > > Please respond to > mcullen@rothko.symantec.com -- Peter Wickersham | "whatever you do Stone Design | take care of wick@stone.com | your shoes" phish
From: seward@syenite.cps.msu.edu (Robert D Seward) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Requirements for NeXTStep for Intel Date: 13 Mar 1993 03:26:54 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1nrk9u$j8g@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Everyone keeps talking about an on-line document describing the minimum requirements for NeXTStep on an Intel box, but where can I get a hold of this document? Is it on the NET somewhere? Thanks?
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP is a bargain! (Was: Re: NT Slipped again?) Message-ID: <1140@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 10 Mar 93 22:52:08 GMT References: <1993Mar9.161931.6548@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Darcy BROCKBANK writes > I was able to configure a full development system on a NeXT 105 Meg > hard disk, and still have 10 Megs free for the user. Heck, I have a 105 system at home that I do development work on, and there are 35 megs free on my system (which is good, because the PasteUp source tree, obj directory, and unstripped binary collectively consume about 15 megabytes). I built this system by deleting all kinds of things that don't get used (like /usr/lib/transcript/*.afm, for example). It takes some knowledge to delete things, but there's an awful lot to delete. I then built the development system simply by typing "make" and waiting to see what it couldn't find. /usr/include was right up there, for example, although I could delete a lot of the /usr/include things that I will never use, like DSP, sound, and other library support. My "lib" directory, for example, only has a handful of files in it, because PasteUp doesn't link in all that many shared libraries. Anyway, the point made is valid. You only need about 70Mb for a stripped down development system. I keep Icon.app on the system, but I Squash it until I really need it for anything. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: tlc@cx5.com Subject: Appsoft's threat to the Net Message-ID: <1993Mar13.041210.11093@cx5.com> Sender: tlc@cx5.com Organization: CX5 (San Francisco) References: <1993Mar13.010119.10870@cx5.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 04:12:10 GMT Dear Desperado: > In article <C3sLzG.5q@appsoft.com> randy@appsoft.com(Randy Adams) writes: > Appsoft will work with the Software > Publisher's Association (SPA) to ensure that the terms and conditions of the > WriteNow licenses are enforced. Desperate times call for desperate measures Randy? Desperately Seeking Sue, (kobo-)san? T. Castro, who has re-and-cross-posted what he thinks was a clever re: witticism to .advocacy, .misc and .software. Apologies to those who don't think so (except Randy, of course).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: What 's NeXT??? Message-ID: <C3tDBw.AMF@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <tlm.731872746@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <1993Mar11.235115.2943@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 06:14:20 GMT In article <1993Mar11.235115.2943@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: [ ] > >Have you ever _USED_ a NeXT. For more than a couple of minutes? >Well, I suppose there ARE more games available for the Amiga. > >Thought not. I'd be careful with statements of this nature. You clearly are fairly new to the NeXT world. Tom has been one of the most helpful and knowledgeable people in the NeXT community for years. Try reading some of the messages where people have had trouble with TeX, and see who has provided substantial help. In any case, I'm sure Tom can speak for himself. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Are You Using WriteNow Legally? Message-ID: <C3tDvG.AtG@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C3sM0r.78@appsoft.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 06:26:04 GMT In article <C3sM0r.78@appsoft.com> randy@appsoft.com writes: >Are You Using WriteNow Legally? > >It has come to our attention that there is some confusion about the terms of >the license for WriteNow which came bundled with early NeXT machines and the >legality of using that copy of WriteNow on newer machines. If you bought your >new NeXT machine after October 1, 1991 and you are running a copy of WriteNow >(a version that saves and prints) on that machine and you haven't licensed it >from Appsoft, you are probably breaking the law. I have both (a bundled version and WriteNow 2.1) and 2.1 was purchased with the understanding that there would be a free upgrade to 3.0, which was to have been here by now. [ ] >After the amnesty period, Appsoft will work with the Software >Publisher's Association (SPA) to ensure that the terms and conditions of the >WriteNow licenses are enforced. Hmm...somewhat heavy handed considering you are talking about a product that was sold with the understanding that 3.0 would be out by now. Odd how the Law goes one way.If this sounds like I have mixed feelings about the SPA, then it's because I do. Their tactics have become unacceptable. Moreover a large part of the software industry (not NeXT developers) are selling products based on hype, verging on misleading the public. It is very questionable whether or not the terms of licensing ( bound after opening a package with a fair amount of legal wording on it) would stand up to a challenge. There should be some counter force to the SPA. The whole software industry reeks of fast buck artists. I find it incredible that Appsoft would associate itself with the SPA in the spirit mentioned above. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: dmitri@physics (Dmitri Linde) Subject: Re: Are You Using WriteNow Legally? Message-ID: <1993Mar13.074140.14331@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <C3sM04.6H@appsoft.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 07:41:40 GMT In article <C3sM04.6H@appsoft.com> randy@appsoft.com writes: >Are You Using WriteNow Legally? > [stuff removed] >fixes. After the amnesty period, Appsoft will work with the Software >Publisher's Association (SPA) to ensure that the terms and conditions of the >WriteNow licenses are enforced. Once a man had his horse stolen while he was shopping in the village market, so he stood up and shouted, "Return me my horse! Otherwise I will do the same as my grandfather did when his horse was stolen!!!" The thief was very frightened and so he returned the horse, and asked, "So what did your grandfather do when his horse was stolen?" The man answered, "My grandfather had to walk home." - Dmitri dmitri@physics.stanford.edu P.S. I am a happy WriteNow user... on one machine bought before October 1 1991... at home... Will SPA please verify that I am using WriteNow legally.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar12.193627.10650@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <1993Mar10.135339.22243@socrates.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 19:36:27 GMT In article <1993Mar10.135339.22243@socrates.umd.edu> fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > In article <C3nqJ5.AvL@news2.cis.umn.edu> arnim@umn.edu (Arnim Walter Sauerbier) writes: > >Robert Weinberg (robertw@informix.com) wrote: > >: Funny how many of the Publications people here who are migrating from NeXTs to > >: SparcStations ask the question, "Why doesn't NeXT port NeXTStep to the Sun?" > > > >Umm, because Sun and NeXT have been on what might be called 'unfriendly terms' > >to put it mildly. > > True, but business is business. *Rumor* has it that there will be > a Sparc port by the end of the year (note that sparc is more than > just Sun.) Guess we'll have to wait for Steve's May announcements > to really see what's up. Actually, I hear that NeXT is going to be making some announcements at Uniforum, which I believe starts March 15th. So maybe we don't have to wait quite so long....... John > > Charlie > > > >_\\\/ > >= ..' . . . . Arnim Sauerbier . . > >C \) arnim@delbrueck.med.umn.edu > > \ - > > > -- > NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and > charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my > | brother wizards. > -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-3344 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Message-ID: <1143@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 13 Mar 93 07:40:15 GMT References: <1993Mar12.150031.285@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Brian Magee writes > From HP-UX 8.0 ==> > > crypt(3C) crypt(3C) > > NAME > crypt, setkey, encrypt - generate hashing encryption > > etc etc etc. > > Does that look the same? Actually, not quite. On the NeXT, it specifically mentions DES encryption in the man page summary: CRYPT(3) UNIX Programmer's Manual CRYPT(3) NAME crypt, setkey, encrypt - DES encryption That might mean that NeXT's version of crypt is different and in fact does contain DES code. But this is out of my league already. I'll leave the discussion to folks like Andrew who have long cryptic keys in their .signature files :-) -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What does UpgradePrep.app do? Message-ID: <1993Mar10.211320.5482@bluerose.com> Date: 10 Mar 93 21:13:20 GMT References: <1993Mar10.164033.38759@watson.ibm.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. In article <1993Mar10.164033.38759@watson.ibm.com> rasm@vnet.ibm.com(Pete Rasmussen) writes: > Is it possible to upgrade a non-networked, floppy-less > cube from 2.1 to 3.0, or do I need to buy a floppy drive? > It seems as if I need to run UpgradePrep.app: what > does this do? Sometimes it does an upgrade; sometime a mutation. What you really want to do is a BuildDisk. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: hironobu@ext247.sra.co.jp (Hironobu Suzuki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Message-ID: <1409@sran265.sra.co.jp> Date: 13 Mar 93 11:19:20 GMT References: <1993Mar10.145047.523@gamelan> Sender: news@sran265.sra.co.jp In article <1993Mar10.145047.523@gamelan> thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) writes: > Look at Andy Tanenbaums great book 'Computer Networks' (Prentice-Hall), there > is a good description of DES and a Pascal-Program, too. All this cold-war > nonsense in the US becomes more & more ridiculous ... I agree with you. It's so nonsense that cryptosecurity product, like a DES or RSA product can't export to other country from US. DES or RSA programs are already public domain software and available ftp from europe site. Everybody knows! I think US have NO. 1 cryptosecurity technologies, but they have lost their cryptosecurity market in the world. This cryptosecurity technologies can be applied not only computer but also telecommunication like a telephone, fax and etc.... It's big market! They have lost their money. --hironobu ct, like a DES or RSA product can't export to other country from US. DES or RSA programs are already public domain software and available ftp from europe site. Everybody knows! I think(
From: schittel@geo.Uni-Koeln.DE (Christoph Schittel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: anti-aliased texview? Date: 13 Mar 1993 15:41:54 GMT Organization: Inst. f. Geophysik, Uni Koeln Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nsvc2INN1l1m@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> Hello! I like TeXView very much, but now I saw Previewers on PCs and X11 with anti-aliasing. Looks great! I want it for my NeXT (still NS2.1) too. Is someone developing something like this? --- Christoph
From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SMPT manager for the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar13.125137.16788@cyantic.com> Date: 13 Mar 93 12:51:37 GMT References: <1nqjmmINNtf@grumpy.symantec.com> Organization: CYANTIC Systems In article <1nqjmmINNtf@grumpy.symantec.com> mcullen@rothko.symantec.com writes: >I need to know if there are any good SMTP manager for the NeXT. I have an >'030 cube and a spark station. I would like to use both machines to >manage my WAN (which consisits of pc's, mac's, ACC routers, a cisco, and a >couple of HP mini's). Do you mean SNMP? I haven't seen any SNMP based network managers for NeXT yet, though I am looking for one. BTW, SMTP=Simple Mail Transport Protocol. -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: (NEC) CD-ROM drives Compatibility Message-ID: <1993Mar13.110848.12099@mic.ucla.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 13 Mar 93 11:08:47 PST I am wondering which of the new <300ms CD-ROM drives are working on NeXT 68040 systems. In the past (OS 2.x), there was a problem with some drives. (In a message to comp.sys.next.misc in January 1992, Scott Turner traced a problem with the CDR-77 to an automounter incompatibility.) Has anyone used a CDR-77 (or better/similar/other) CD-ROM drive to an '040? If so, could you please post this compatibility information to this newsgroup? /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: NS/INTEL: Hard Disk Transferability? Message-ID: <1993Mar13.112454.12355@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 13 Mar 93 11:24:53 PST Will NS/INTEL recognize SCSI hard disk volumes? I wonder if I can transfer data by transferring hard disks. /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: christov@nazgul.hm-st.claremont.edu (Christopher R. Douty) Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA Message-ID: <C3uFFp.1D2@news.claremont.edu> Keywords: DES NSA booga booga Sender: news@news.claremont.edu (The News System) Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA 91711 References: <1143@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 19:56:50 GMT In article <1143@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > On the NeXT, it specifically mentions DES encryption > in the man page summary: > > CRYPT(3) UNIX Programmer's Manual CRYPT(3) > > NAME > crypt, setkey, encrypt - DES encryption > > > That might mean that NeXT's version of crypt is different and in fact > does contain DES code. > -- > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com Actually _all_ UNIX's have DES encryption in the crypt() funcion call, whether they explicitly say so or not. (OK, I am not usre about UNIX's outside of the USA.) It is a standard call which is supposed to be compatible across various UNIX implementations. Try this: 1) Take an encrypted password out of /etc/passwd on machine A 2) Find another vendor's UNIX box. For example if machine A is a NeXT, go find a sun or HP machine. 3) Create an account on that machine and insert the same enrypted password into the /etc/passwd record. 4) Try logging onto machine B with the password from machine A. i.e. just log into the new account just like you were logging into the old account. 5) Voila! You should be able to log in successfully. I forget exactly where the "salt" used in crypt() comes from, so you may have to create the test account with the same username. Also people using NetInfo will probably have to do a: nidump passwd / > <some file> to get their current password out on the database. If you can't perform this handy little experiment, don't sweat it. I have the same encrypted password on a NeXT, an Amiga UNIX box, and a Sun SPARCstation. It is handy to be able to mail some friendly sysadmin an encrypted password so that all your accounts can have the same password no matter how administrative data is shared. (NetInfo, NIS, copying files, etc.) Welcome to the wonderful world of encryption. Chris Douty cdouty@jarthur.claremont.edu ps. Check out some programs called fcrypt and Crack floating about the Net for more information on DES and passwords. There are some excellent books, but I forget the titles.
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Render host's set wrong Message-ID: <1993Mar13.205549.21182@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 13 Mar 93 20:55:49 GMT Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. Whenever I try to do some rendering with 3DReality or Simple.app, I get output that's just a blank black square. If I do a ps, it appears that the rendering is being done on magritte, which was the name of my machine when I had it at work. Even if I set the rendering host to be localhost, it still doesn't work. Is there something I have to twiddle in Netinfo, or should I just change the name of my machine back to magritte? Also, has anyone else had a lot of trouble with 3DReality? -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP on Sparc and Apple/IBM new hardware ! Message-ID: <1993Mar13.203427.9398@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <1993Mar5.172910.12704@cubx.fdn.org> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 20:34:27 GMT In article <1993Mar5.172910.12704@cubx.fdn.org> eric@cubx.fdn.org (Eric de la Tribouille) writes: > > A translation from DECISION MICRO (a french newspaper for managers) : > > A new support of NeXTSTEP > NeXT, which concentrate it's activities on the software will port it's OS > NeXTSTEP on Sparc stations and on Taligent from Apple/IBM, in addition to > the INTEL version which should be available very soon this year. > > GREAT decision !!!!!!! > > > Eric NeXTstep on a SPARCstation is what many of us waited for. As we need no longer worry for the introduction of a black_slab_RISC it would seem to be a logical step. AND TE SUNs WOULD GET A DECENT OS AFTER ALL THESE YEARS! Anyhow, I wann'a see it before I chear !!! -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-7527 Kraichtal 2 | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Sun on the Run - from Open Systems Today Message-ID: <1993Mar13.210323.9459@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <1993Mar02.130608.24030@cyantic.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 21:03:23 GMT In article <1993Mar02.130608.24030@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: > In article <1993Mar1.161139.25608@fnbc.com> drew@fnbc.com writes: ... lots of stuff deleted ... > > Nevertheless, Sun may not have an easy time getting Next devotees > > off NextStep. The software has won strong - and what some observers > > describe as almost fanatical - support from users. > > Ah, here's the rub! I just finished installing a SPARCclassic for one > of our clients and while I like the System V underpinnings better than > Berkeley (I've been a SysV person since the early 80's), there is no way > I'd give up NS for OpenWindows on Solaris. If Sun wants us all to trade > in our Cubes and Slabs for Lunchboxes, then they'd better get NS ported > over there fast. > > BTW, the Classic hardware is excellent. The parallel port is very useful > and the small 15" colour monitor (Sony) is crisp, steady and has first > class controls. Performance is acceptable with 16MB of RAM but X > requires double that to really move. > SUN still is a hardware company! They constantly sell their new models with incomplete OS support. It takes at least one additional release of the system SW to support all new peripherals or kernel features advertized when they pushed the boxes out of the store. The day they also offer NeXTstep in that bundle I'll take the offer! -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-7527 Kraichtal 2 | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: d_mc@mccube.tucson.az.us (Don McCollam) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What is CM_engine(s) at Sonata Message-ID: <1993Mar13.215717.4471@arizona.edu> Date: 14 Mar 93 04:57:13 GMT Distribution: na,local Hi, Will somebody please tell me what the the CM_engine*.*'s are at sonata? (in submissions). Are these CraftMan bug fixes? I have a copy of Craftman; but I haven't heard from Xanthus in ages. Don McCollam citdem@happy.rc.arizona.edu
From: rock@pangea.com (Roger Rosner) Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: ParcPlace's VisualWorks Questions... Message-ID: <1993Mar12.044900.14336@pangea.com> Date: 12 Mar 93 04:49:00 GMT References: <anthonjw.731546134@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> Sender: rock@pangea.com Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer, comp.lang.smalltalk Organization: Pangea Corporation In article <anthonjw.731539183@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> anthonjw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Jason W. Anthony) writes: > 1. Can you create quality, stand-alone apps, feasible > for selling as "shrink-wrapped" software? The "quality" is questionable because the GUI is an *emulation* of the host's. Some folks don't mind it. I think it's substandard. You can make stand-alone apps by stripping unused objects out of the image. There's a class that will do most of the work for you. > 2. How relatively big and/or slow are apps developed with > it? What are the minimum configurations needed on other > hardware (Mac, Windows, etc.)? Depends on what you're trying to do, of course. If you have a fast machine and don't do anything compute intensive, it performs reasonably. Running Smalltalk on an HP Snake makes the UI run almost as smoothly as my Mac Plus did in 1986 :-) I have no idea about size. I'd guess big. > 3. According to ParcPlace, you can "instantly" port an > app from one VisualWorks platform to another (i.e. > NeXTSTEP to Mac). Is this true? If so, how well does > the GUI translate? (Does it have the look-and-feel of an > app created directly for the particular GUI?) Yup. This is probably the best thing about it. The GUI translates as well (or awfully) as it ever does, because it's just another emulation. > 4. How does development time/ease compare to NeXTSTEP's > Obj-C/Interface Builder combo? If you're hacking data structures and stick to the standard VisualWorks UI parts, it's amazingly fast. However, if you have to do much GUI hacking (like creating new views and controls), things are not so sweet. IMHO, Smalltalk is the most efficient programming environment around for building object systems. And NeXTSTEP is the most efficient programming environment around for building fully-featured commercial apps with elegant GUIs. > 5. How extensive/robust is the included class libraries > (say compared to the AppKit)? Smalltalk is quite different from the AppKit. There are *hundreds* of classes. Nonetheless, Smalltalk lacks a lot of things you get with NeXTSTEP: a real imaging model (and thus easy PostScript printing), remote objects, OS-level multi-threading and multi-tasking, DBKit, IXKit, sound, etc. If your app doesn't need any of the above, however, it doesn't much matter. > 6. Can you interface with Obj-C/C++ code? If so, how > difficult is it? I've heard tell of a product that will let you message between Objective C and Smalltalk (Berkeley Productivity Group, 510-795-6086). And ParcPlace sells a C interface. Don't know about C++. I suggest you consider the specific pros and cons of Smalltalk and NeXTSTEP for your particular app before making a decision. [I've directed followups to comp.sys.next.programmer and comp.lang.smalltalk.] Roger
From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Audio Technica PRO 8 microphone (for use with Simon Says...) Message-ID: <1993Mar14.161115.23839@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: 14 Mar 93 16:11:15 GMT Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. I have bought an Audio Technica PRO 8 microphone for use with Simon Says. It seems however, that I'm either wearing it the wrong way or it is just too small for my head. If I put the pads above my ears (as the leaflet says) the microphone ends up somewhere next to my left cheek, besides they kind of comflict with the legs of my glasses. Is there someone using such a microphone who can help me out? --Gerben -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ed@talus.com Subject: Lucky GoldStar Message-ID: <1993Mar14.213632.470@talus.com> Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 21:36:32 GMT Hi there, anybody has a 1-800 number for GoldStar ? Those people are incredible : they don't advertise anywhere ! Their name is never mentionned in the ressource guides. And they are supposed to support NS486 ? Makes me laugh... A la revoyure, Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" Talus Corporation Dear Americans, my naive friends. Don't believe all you see on TV.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <2BA3BEC6.ECB@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <1993Mar11.193258.26824@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 93 23:24:53 GMT System Administrator writes > Sun's CEO was reputed to have said, NextStep on Sun? I'd rather poke > needles in my eyes" > > However, another rumour has him and Steve walking the sidewalks outside > their Redwood City office... Another rumor is both sides are discussing "putting pressure on the other side" with some of the larger customers for this to happen. McNeally has been by Redwood City. What I wonder is if the weak graphics performance of early generation SPARC desktop systems have improved enough to support the NeXTSTEP DPS-based GUI. That is the one thing I notice on 66 MHz 486 systems running NeXTSTEP - the windows 'stick and tear' more during dragging than on a NeXTstation Color -- usually a sign of slower graphics performance.
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Keyword completion in Edit.app Message-ID: <1993Mar14.235211.148491@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 14 Mar 93 23:52:11 GMT Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Could someone please explation to me how to get Edit to do keyword completion? I thought it wouldbe through the expantion dict. but I can't seem to get it to work. Thanks for the assistance, -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: edx@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Lucky GoldStar Message-ID: <1993Mar14.185937.65157@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Mar 93 18:59:37 MDT References: <1993Mar14.213632.470@talus.com> Organization: Utah State University In article <1993Mar14.213632.470@talus.com>, ed@talus.com writes: > > Hi there, > > anybody has a 1-800 number for GoldStar ? Those people are incredible : they don't advertise > anywhere ! Their name is never mentionned in the ressource guides. And they are supposed to > support NS486 ? Makes me laugh... > > A la revoyure, > > Ed. Ah, sounds like NeXT's kind of company! Birds of a feather...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar15.035514.8798@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <2BA3BEC6.ECB@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 03:55:14 GMT > What I wonder is if the weak graphics performance of early generation > SPARC desktop systems have improved enough to support the NeXTSTEP > DPS-based GUI. Anyone who has used twm (an X window-management program) with 'OpaqueMove' set on an IPC knows there is enough power there. More than enough power. My only concern is for all the B/W (1 bit) systems out there. NeXTSTEP would need some real work to be passable with less than 2 bits per pixel. It could never be pleasant. But hey!: That's what S-bus expansion slots are for.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: CL review of NeXTSTEP 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Mar15.070558.13577@microsoft.com> Date: 15 Mar 93 07:05:58 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corporation I just picked up the April 1993 issue of _Computer_Language_ magazine, and there is a short (~2.5 pg) review of NeXTSTEP 3.0 beginning on page 17. The magazine cover features a small NS3.0 screenshot, with a larger one within the article, showing an Edit window with ProjectBuilder and a Palettes window in the background. Fortunately, its in color so it looks really nice. The author of the article, Thomas Murphy, was also using the Garfinkel and Mahoney book, and called it "...one of the best how-to books I have ever come across." Take care, Jeff (jhenshaw@microsoft.com) -- not a microsoft spokesperson. Windows NT C/C++ compiler QA, Microsoft Corp.
From: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Are You Using WriteNow Legally? Message-ID: <1993Mar14.145348.440@rbc.uucp> Date: 14 Mar 93 14:53:48 GMT References: <C3tDvG.AtG@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: al@rbc.uucp (Al Davis) Organization: Huh? Philip McDunnough writes > There should be some counter force to the SPA. The whole software industry > reeks of fast buck artists. The Free Software Foundation? Did Richard Stallman ever work for a software company? al.
From: froud@SunLab42.sx.ac.uk (Froud D D M) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Conferencing software Message-ID: <FROUD.93Mar15140823@SunLab42.sx.ac.uk> Date: 15 Mar 93 14:08:23 GMT References: <1993Mar9.224349.6657@dhhalden.no> <1993Mar11.230933.4697@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@sersun1.essex.ac.uk Organization: n/a In article <1993Mar11.230933.4697@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) writes: > For the audio part, get Talk. What about an audio link Sun SPARC and a NeXT? The SPARC half is no problem...the NetFone programs seem ok, but what is there to link to on a NeXT? I've heard of 'cb' and 'vat' but I don't know where to get them or how they work so I can't patch NetFone to talk to them... Any help? Dominic Froud -- *+- Dominic - the ultimate in "cute 'n' cuddly" wabbit appeal -+* Yes folks, this brand new model of wabbit comes with 5 year warranty (for arrest) and a no-fuss guarantee against accidental spillage, breakage or death. Yours for only $4.95...get it now!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randy@appsoft.com(Randy Adams) Subject: Image Demo Now Available Message-ID: <C3xqCo.F8A@appsoft.com> Sender: news@appsoft.com Organization: APPSOFT Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 14:45:59 GMT APPSOFT IMAGE DEMO AVAILABLE A demo version of Image, our new bitmap and photo image editor, is now available via anonymous ftp from our site: appsoft.com. The demo is located in /pub/appsoft/image/Image.tar.Z. It is a full working demo except that it does not save, copy or print. Full documentation and sample files are included. Also included is a copy of Calibrator, our monitor calibration application. A full 13 Meg of fun, so make lots of room on your disk.. If you like it, tell your friends. If not, please tell us. We will gladly respond to email, but we don't read the net news, so flaming us there will have no effect. For further info please contact: info@appsoft.com. Enjoy...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ztech@well.sf.ca.us (Zippytech) Subject: Re: "Radio talk show" on Internet? Message-ID: <C3xp82.Ixt@well.sf.ca.us> Keywords: radio talk show internet Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link References: <1993Mar5.233942.27407@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1nb9dkINN65l@ni.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 14:21:37 GMT In article <1nb9dkINN65l@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >In article <1993Mar5.233942.27407@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rprice@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rodney.price) writes: >>Yesterday's New York Times carried a front-page article on >>a "radio talk show" to be carried over the Internet in the >>next few weeks. Evidently those with the bandwidth can pipe >>an incoming bit stream to their speakers and hear an audio >>program for Internet users -- something like a National >>Public Radio broadcast. > >Actually, the problem for you is not bandwidth, but the fact that NeXT >doesn't support multicast IP in their operating system. Until they >do, you can't use conferencing infrastructure, which is all multicast >based. Well, actually you can, if you had a Sun, SGI or DEC >workstation. It would take an engineer a day to install the code that >you can FTP from the internet to add multicast IP support, any you >might think that the NeXT with its built in sound support and DSP >would be the ideal platform for this sort of stuff. Too bad. You can still "tune in" to Internet Talk Radio, however. The original announcement from Carl Malamud said that the sound files would be available via anonymous ftp. I agree that the lack of IP multicast support is extremely annoying. Merging the Stanford mods would take someone about a day but would enable some sophisticated distributed apps. I'm also annoyed by the lack of support for Berkeley Packet Filter and promiscuous mode tcpdump. -- Zippytech <ztech@well.sf.ca.us> Zippytech sells network protocol objects. "The most important lesson of networking is that we can accomplish more in life by occasionally dropping things on the floor."
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: OPEN LETTER TO ED McCRACKEN - SGI PRESIDENT Date: 15 Mar 1993 16:22:58 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1o2ah2INN211@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I have also posted this letter to comp.sys.sgi and comp.sys.sgi.misc -------------------------------------------------------------------- 3-15-93 Dear Mr. McCracken, I am very troubled by SGI's recent decision to adopt Windows-NT based versions of the MIPS hardware architecture. I am of the opinion that Windows NT represents a mediocre step forward in technology, far less than what I would expect from SGI. Although I understand your desire to enter the PC market, I don't understand your motivations for adopting Windows NT, other than it may make you some quick money. I would like to suggest that you take a look at NeXTSTEP as being the bridge between SGI and the PC world. In fact, I would like to use a quote of yours I found in the "Micro Times" from July 6, 1992: "The world doesn't have very many computer companies left that are defining platforms; really trying to figure out how people want to use computers and defining a platform of software and hardware to provide that. Silicon Graphics is one of them that are still doing that, and I admire the fact that Steve Jobs (and NeXT, Inc.) is also doing that. So many companies today are just copying what other companies do, and cloning them. It's nice to see a company that's willing to do the hard work of really defining how people are going to use computers and trying to design a platform that fits their needs." -SGI President and CEO Ed McCracken, Micro Times, July 6, 1992 It seems that Microsoft is one of those "many" companies that are cloning what others are doing. By adopting Windows NT, I feel SGI is alienating their pledge to "good" technology. Windows NT (New Technology) is an oxymoron. The technology in NT is nothing but old. There is not one shred of innovation in this operating system - not one. It is such a shame to see SGI jumping onto the bandwagon so quickly. On the other hand, NeXTSTEP represents a whole lot of good technology. It has the object oriented features that future projects like Taligent and Cairo aspire for. NeXTSTEP on SGI hardware would be simply astonishing. By adopting NeXTSTEP, SGI would give itself a competitive edge over workstation companies like DEC, who have already fell for the Microsoft sales pitch. Furthermore, NeXTSTEP will fulfill your mission of "defining platforms" much more than Windows NT will. I urge you Mr. McCracken, consider the technological effects of your recent decision. Please prove me wrong and show me that you are no hypocrite. Adopt NeXTSTEP and prove to the world that SGI is still committed to providing leading edge technology. People want good technology. They want NeXTSTEP. Sincerely Yours, Eric Hermanson M.I.T.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar15.164203.26867@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH References: <1993Mar15.035514.8798@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 16:42:03 GMT Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome writes > > What I wonder is if the weak graphics performance of early generation > > SPARC desktop systems have improved enough to support the NeXTSTEP > > DPS-based GUI. > > Anyone who has used twm (an X window-management program) with 'OpaqueMove' > set on an IPC knows there is enough power there. More than enough power. I believe it takes over 300% more performance to move a DPS Terminal-Window than to OpaqueMove twm surrounded xterm. DPS is much more complex since everything is vectors compred to bitmaps in X. Please correct me ... Still. The Sparc LX and systems above have accelerated graphics (gx) that should make NeXTSTEP/SPARC run pretty good. -- Florian Gutzwiller Tel: +41 61 262 05 10, Fax: +41 61 262 05 10 Open Systems AG flog@Open.CH Basel, Switzerland S=gutzwiller;O=open;P=EUnet=A=EUnet;C=CH
From: mcullen@rothko.symantec.com (Michael Cullen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SNMP manager for the NeXT Date: 15 Mar 1993 16:05:51 GMT Organization: Symantec Corporation Message-ID: <1o29gvINNbo5@grumpy.symantec.com> Okay. I snoozed. I need an SNMP manager for my 030 NeXT cube to manage my WAN. Any help would be appreciated. Thankx to all for the corrections.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell) Subject: Re: SMPT manager for the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar15.154549.6865@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <1993Mar13.125137.16788@cyantic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 15:45:49 GMT In article <1993Mar13.125137.16788@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: > Do you mean SNMP? I haven't seen any SNMP based network managers for NeXT > yet, though I am looking for one. I think I saw an ad for one in the latest NeXTWorld, somewhere around page 10. No idea about it though. -- Frank Mitchell, Business Systems Analyst, First National Bank of Chicago email:frank@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) "Y'know, there are times like this when I wish I had an act." -- David Letterman (in a monologue)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Message-ID: <1993Mar15.182719.27410@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1nsvc2INN1l1m@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 18:27:19 GMT Christoph Schittel writes > I like TeXView very much, but now I saw Previewers on PCs and X11 > with anti-aliasing. Looks great! I want it for my NeXT (still NS2.1) > too. Is someone developing something like this? Ah, yes. Anti-aliasing. Display PostScript does not inherently support anti-aliasing for many good technical reasons - mostly having to do with leaving stray pixels behind in many situations, which is not acceptable. There are also color combining problems, and errors which get propagated through a drawing. So, what does anti-aliasing solve? It solves the current problem that CRT's are inherently resolution limited spatially, but have a high color resolution. Anti-aliasing is basically the attempt to trade one for the other. If you have a simple imaging model, it can perhaps be patched and hacked so that anti-aliasing will work - though I've yet to see an imaging model that includes anti-aliasing that does not have a "stray pixel" problem. Anti-aliasing really only makes sense in two contexts (and some variations of each) - preview, where a static image is being presented, and a little time wasted is an okay sacrafice for apparent image quality - and video, where aliasing is glaringly obvious. Applications can "manually" do anti-aliasing for these two cases - preview or image into a larger offscreen buffer at a larger scale and carefully interpolate down to the desired resolution. Anti-aliasing does not make sense in dynamic situations such as text editing. It costs too much time and tends to leave pixels behind as characters are drawn and erased. Given that HDTV resolutions are past the point where flat-screen display technologies make sense, the coming of HDTV will consumerize the flat-screen display technologies, making the much higher resolutions that these technologies are capable of affordable. At these resolutions, anti-aliasing will stop making sense entirely. [Interesting side note - IBM solved the anti-aliasing problem for the extra-low VGA resolutions in a rather "clever" way - they de-focused (slightly) their VGA monitors. Which is, after all, what anti-aliasing is.] It would be a fairly easy to to write a previewer that did anti-aliased preview. Given the high quality of NeXT's monitors though (especially the monochrome), I wonder if it is really worth it. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar15.183537.27845@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <2BA3BEC6.ECB@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 18:35:37 GMT Mark Thomsen writes > What I wonder is if the weak graphics performance of early generation > SPARC desktop systems have improved enough to support the NeXTSTEP > DPS-based GUI. That is the one thing I notice on 66 MHz 486 systems > running NeXTSTEP - the windows 'stick and tear' more during dragging > than on a NeXTstation Color -- usually a sign of slower graphics > performance. This is due to the lower bandwidth of the video systems on PCs. Sun has been making good framebuffer based video now for a long time. Any Sun SPARC workstation has more than enough power to run Display PostScript quickly and efficiently. If you have any doubts, stop by the Adobe booth at Uniforum and see. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar15.184214.28230@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Mar15.164203.26867@bernina.ethz.ch> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 18:42:14 GMT Florian Gutzwiller writes > I believe it takes over 300% more performance to move a DPS > Terminal-Window than to OpaqueMove twm surrounded xterm. DPS is > much more complex since everything is vectors compred to bitmaps > in X. Please correct me ... Okay, I will :-). "Moving" a window is simply blasting bits around with some clipping - no vector drawing involved. The amount of performance required in the unclipped case is directly proportional to the screen depth. Any overhead involved in such moving is swamped by the power required for the move. The speed with which an "OpaqueMove" is done by twm will be just about the same as for a NeXTSTEP terminal window. If NeXTSTEP can be made to deal with 1/bpp and 8/bpp (Display PostScript is ready, it's the alpha-channel that's a little tricky to deal with) the SPARC systems would have more than enough power. Sun really does make good hardware, and there is nothing magical about the black hardware that makes Display PostScript fast (I'd like to think it was the coding :-) - NeXTSTEP on SPARC would be a screamer. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sircomp@bcarh90.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) Subject: Shakespeare icon Message-ID: <1993Mar15.184129.17012@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 18:41:29 GMT Hi all: I just noticed that the .dir.tiff file in the /NextLibrary/ Literature/Shakespeare folder on my 3.0 CD is toast. The inspector tells me that the size is 0 x 0, and 224 bytes, which would tell me that the file is corrupt. Is it just my disk, or is this a screw-up on all CD's? I kinda liked that icon in Digital Librarian, and now I'm left with a boring, plain ol folder instead :-( Maybe I should ask for another copy of 3.0 'cause this one is no good now ;-) later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill: sircomp@bnr.ca |"It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper NeXTmail preffered at: | of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. rob@hobbes.oghma.ocunix.on.ca | Get it?" - Ren Hoek
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) Subject: TALK & CHAT ???? Message-ID: <1993Mar15.185625.26476@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 18:56:25 GMT Where can I find a copy of "talk" and "chat" for NS? O ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks NASA, Real Time Systems Branch Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Mail Code: DL-DSD-24
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Bay Area NeXT Group March Meeting (moved to March 23) Message-ID: <7042@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 15 Mar 93 19:06:21 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Bay Area NeXT Group March Monthly Meeting Lighthouse Design, Diagram!2 March 23rd, Tuesday 7:00 pm Terman Auditorium, Stanford University IMPORTANT: Note the change in date. Terman Auditorium is unavailable on the 3rd Wed. because of finals so the meeting was moved to the following Tuesday. Since this is normally the night for the developer SIG, there will be no March meeting for the developer SIG. Lighthouse Design will be demonstrating Diagram!2, an application for producing diagrams on NeXTSTEP computers. A copy of Diagram!2 will be auctioned to the highest bidder following the demonstration. Please come early; the first hundred to arrive will receive a free copy of NeXT's education sampler CD-ROM, graciously provided by David Spitzler. Members and non-members alike are welcome. There is no charge to attend. DIRECTIONS TO THE MEETING FROM PALO ALTO FREEWAYS: >From I-280: East on Page Mill road Exit (1.3 miles) Left on Junipero Serra Blvd (1.9 miles) Right on Campus Drive West (0.3 miles) Right on Santa Teresa Street (0.4 miles) Park in lot opposite Morris Way Auditorium is in the Terman Engineering Center at the corner of Santa Teresa and Morris Way >From I-101: West on University Avenue exit (2.5 miles) (Through Palo Alto into university campus) Right on Campus Drive West (1.9 miles) Left on Santa Teresa Street (0.4 miles) Park in lot opposite Morris Way Auditorium is in the Terman Engineering Center at the corner of Santa Teresa and Morris Way _____________________________________________________________________ BANG Developer SIG The March Developer SIG meeting has been canceled due to the regular meeting moving to this time slot. _____________________________________________________________________ BANG CD-ROM (For Members Only) A glitch in the CD-ROM mailing process delayed one batch of the CD-ROMs the week before. Unfortunately, that information was not relayed to the people preparing announcements and responding to inquiries. The BANG volunteers handling the mailing do confirm now that all the CD-ROMs have been shipped first-class and should arrive the week of March 15th. If you are a member of BANG and do not receive a CD-ROM as of Tuesday, March 23rd, please send a message to CD_ROM@bang.org. Apologies for the delays and misunderstandings. _____________________________________________________________________ BANG Calendar March 23rd - Tuesday Monthly Meeting Terman Auditorium, Palo Alto, CA March - Developer SIG Canceled due to regular meeting Monthly meetings are (normally) held on the 3rd Wednesday of the month. Developer meetings are held on the 4th Tuesday of the month. _____________________________________________________________________ BANG P.O Box 1731 Palo Alto, CA 94302 info@bang.org (415) 327-BANG The Bay Area NeXT Group is an organization that provides a forum for information exchange concerning the NeXT marketplace and computer technology in general. Contacts: President: M Carling Information: Janet Hufnagel Membership: Andrew Creighton Meetings: M Carling Developer SIG: Ken Fromm Auctions: Dan Lavin All the above people can be reached by email directly or at firstname_lastname@bang.org.
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS/INTEL: Hard Disk Transferability? Message-ID: <1993Mar15.194016.133070@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 15 Mar 93 19:40:16 GMT Article-I.D.: zeus.1993Mar15.194016.133070 References: <1993Mar13.112454.12355@mic.ucla.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <1993Mar13.112454.12355@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > > Will NS/INTEL recognize SCSI hard disk volumes? I wonder if I can transfer > data by transferring hard disks. > > /ivo welch If by this you mean, Will NS harddisks be interchangable between NS hardware platforms?, then the nswer is YES! As a testament to NeXT programmers they discovered thsiworked oneday by accadent, it wasn't until after they hooked up a drive on a station that they realized it was from a NS 486 system. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: lupson@geom.umn.edu (Linus Upson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Message-ID: <C3y8HI.IJB@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: 15 Mar 93 21:17:40 GMT Article-I.D.: news2.C3y8HI.IJB References: <1993Mar15.182719.27410@adobe.com> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota In article <1993Mar15.182719.27410@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: > Christoph Schittel writes > > > I like TeXView very much, but now I saw Previewers on PCs and X11 > > with anti-aliasing. Looks great! I want it for my NeXT (still NS2.1) > > too. Is someone developing something like this? .. > It would be a fairly easy to to write a previewer that did > anti-aliased preview. Given the high quality of NeXT's monitors > though (especially the monochrome), I wonder if it is really worth > it. I did this a couple of months ago, but it was so painfully slow I never bothered finishing the app. Prescience.app (get it? :-) used an accumulation buffer approach which involved repeatedly jittering the coordinates, rendering the PostScript, getting an NXBitmapImageRep back from the WindowServer, and accumulating the pixel values into a buffer. It looked really nice (on a ND), and you could see how DPS was approximating curves with collections of line segments (this is when I learned about PSsetflat). Unfortunately, you would have to be a saint to wait the minute it took to render each page. Linus Upson The Geometry Center lupson@geom.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? In-Reply-To: thomsen@spf.trw.com's message of Sun, 14 Mar 93 23:24:53 GMT Message-ID: <FISCHER.93Mar15233201@fibonacci.iesd.auc.dk> Sender: news@iesd.auc.dk (UseNet News) Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University References: <1993Mar11.193258.26824@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <2BA3BEC6.ECB@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Date: 15 Mar 1993 22:32:00 GMT >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Thomsen (thomsen@spf.trw.com) Mark> What I wonder is if the weak graphics performance of early Mark> generation SPARC desktop systems have improved enough to support Mark> the NeXTSTEP DPS-based GUI. Now, now. A black box and a (low end) Sun handles graphics in just about the same way -- they have a dumb framebuffer and let the CPU do the hard work. And while the SPARC might not be a killer compared to a HP-PA, say, it's sure no slower than a 040 box. Way back when a Sun3-60 (16 MHz 030) and X10R4 (yup, *10*) was considered hot, Sun came up with a NeWS (the Network Extensible Window System), a window system based on an extended variant of PostScript. It was very nice indeed and performed very well on the 3/60. It also did stuff like moving windows around with contents etc., and it was *fast*. NeWS blew X away at the time, technically, conceptually, and performance-wise. Alas, Sun decided to sit on NeWS instead of making it the smash hit it deserved to be. The rest is silence. So, yes, a Sun has oomph to run a DPS-based window system. What you perceive as a lack of performance in graphics is most likely the way X (and hence Open Windows) handles redraw - they send a messages to each window to redraw itself every time it is exposed (i.e., no backing store). This, among other things, means that all exposed windows must have their app scheduled for redraw to happen. This makes the *perceived* performance much lower than it really is. /Lars -- Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things. -- Calvin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar15.210619.7167@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <2BA3BEC6.ECB@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 21:06:19 GMT In article <2BA3BEC6.ECB@deneva.sdd.trw.com> thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) writes: >>System Administrator writes >>> Sun's CEO was reputed to have said, NextStep on Sun? I'd rather poke >>> needles in my eyes" >>> >>> However, another rumour has him and Steve walking the sidewalks outside >>> their Redwood City office... >> >>Another rumor is both sides are discussing "putting pressure on the other side" >>with some of the larger customers for this to happen. McNeally has been by >>Redwood City. >> >>What I wonder is if the weak graphics performance of early generation SPARC >>desktop systems have improved enough to support the NeXTSTEP DPS-based GUI. >>That is the one thing I notice on 66 MHz 486 systems running NeXTSTEP - the >>windows 'stick and tear' more during dragging than on a NeXTstation Color -- >>usually a sign of slower graphics performance. Or a crappy memory subsystem ? (in the case of direct memory mapped graphics) -- Ronald Pomeroy |"We are Microsoft. Advanced Micro Devices | Unix is irrelevant. CAM Applications Group | Openness is futile. rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com | Prepare to be assimilated." (NeXTmail is more fun) | - Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.admin From: springs@wings.dartmouth.edu (David Fisher) Subject: rdump from NeXT to DECStation failing Message-ID: <C3yAJH.1Bz@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 22:02:05 GMT Hi. I am having problems with using rdump from my Turbo NeXTStation running NS3.0 to a DECStation 5000/240 running a recent (within 6 mos) version of Ultrix. This particular script ran fine on my old NeXTStation (2.1) to this same machine, but now it dies just as it begins the dump, saying something about a broken pipe. I haven't been able to track down the problem, and I was wondering if anyone has some idea why this is happening... -- David Fisher, workstation consultant for the masses
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thierman@namao.uucp (Chris Thierman) Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port deficiencies Message-ID: <thierman.732241995@namao> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Feb21.070043.8669@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1mr8li$6jj@transfer.stratus.com> <31819@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 00:33:15 GMT curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes: >In comp.sys.next.misc, dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz) writes: >>I'm confused ! DCE and DTE refer to the equipment at either end of the >>cable, not to signals in the cable itself, which are DTR, DSR, RTS, CTS, >>DCD, TxD, RxD, etc .... >I too was confused my his use of DCE. So I wrote him a messages asking >him what he meant and giving him a few possible alternatives of what might >be going on. I got this very interesting reply back from him: >| Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 21:21:28 -0700 >| From: thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca (Chris Thierman) >| Message-Id: <9302240421.AA02015@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca> >| To: curt (Curt Welch) >| Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port >| >| Thank you, I'm quite fucking aware of all these little points. If you >| really knew anything you would have known what DCE really was. So, next >| time you plan to reply to someones message try saying something >| usefull. Don't respond, I've set things up to automaticly delete >| anything you ever send me in the future. >Curt I find it very disturbing that a user on the net would create such a fictional message, and use the headers from one of my messages, to make it appear as if from me. Then to post it on the net, obviously to satisfy some personal need to lash out at someone. My only message to Curt contained no such text. In fact I was more surprised by his reply to my message. Which contained lots of abusive statements and no informational content. My actual reply was as follows: > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 21:21:28 -0700 > From: thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca (Chris Thierman) > Message-Id: <9302240421.AA02015@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca> > To: curt (Curt Welch) > Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port > > I find your message extreamly offensive, and I'm really not sure why you > have taken the time to write it at all. I was only asking if anyone had > any info on the Classmate Model 10 caller ID computer interface and how > it worked with the NeXT. In the future I would suggest you not send such > messages to people as others may take more offence then I. I was then barraged by mail from this fellow, that I proceeded to ignore. And now to my surprise I see he's taken to slandering me with false messages on the Net. I suggest Mr Curt Welch you consider the legal implications of what you have done. I'm also sure the military site to which you belong would also not appreciate such abuse of the networks. -- Chris Thierman Computing & Network Services Network Administrator Network and Datacommunications thierman@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca University Of Alberta Edmonton, Canada T6G 2H1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) Subject: 3.0 uprade ?? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.025316.255@eps.com> Sender: steve@eps.com Organization: Electronic Publishing Services Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 02:53:16 GMT Does anybody know if NeXT will continue to upgrade the os to support existing NeXT hardware??. Is it time to sell our NeXT Dimension system and buy a 486 eisa base machine.. Thanks Steve Kornreich steve@eps.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: "Radio talk show" on Internet? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.051413.17497@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Mar5.233942.27407@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1nb9dkINN65l@ni.umd.edu> <C3xp82.Ixt@well.sf.ca.us> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 05:14:13 GMT In article <C3xp82.Ixt@well.sf.ca.us> ztech@well.sf.ca.us (Zippytech) writes: >I agree that the lack of IP multicast support is extremely annoying. >Merging the Stanford mods would take someone about a day but would >enable some sophisticated distributed apps. I'm also annoyed by the >lack of support for Berkeley Packet Filter and promiscuous mode tcpdump. At last year's NeXTWORLD Expo I asked NeXT's resident network wizard (who no longer works for them, alas) whether 3.0 would have IP multicast support, and he assured me it would. Of course, we know differently now. There is _some_ multicast support in 3.0's kernel, but no user- accessible API. As for promiscuous mode, one of the NeXT engineers recently told me "don't even try--bad things happen." He wasn't any more specific, but it sounded like the voice of experience. Even if BPF isn't doable, it's not the only game in town. -=EPS=-
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Latest release of 3.0? and NeXT 1-800 numbers Date: 16 Mar 1993 08:33:32 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <1o43csINNgot@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> I just bouth 3.0 on the weekend!!!! I'm not going to install it yet, as I need more RAM for acceptable performance. The CD-ROM disk itself is black and green coloured. is this the latest release? ie. Is there any other colours out there?? Is there a 3.01 or something like that? The registation card said to call 1-800-677-NeXT. What's the diff between this phone number and 1-800-848-NeXT? RWW. -- Robert W. "What!?! I've-been-tying-my-shoelaces-backwards-all-my-life?" Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) Subject: Re: 3.0 uprade ?? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.083803.12580@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Mar16.025316.255@eps.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 08:38:03 GMT Steve Kornreich (uunet!eps!steve) wrote: : Does anybody know if NeXT will continue to upgrade the os to support existing : NeXT hardware??. Is it time to sell our NeXT Dimension system and buy a 486 : eisa base machine.. : Thanks : Steve Kornreich : steve@eps.com Last I heard, NeXT was committed to supporting the 68K hardware for all software releases through the end of 1995 (or was it 1994?). Adam Elman aelman@cs.stanford.edu
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Date: 16 Mar 1993 09:28:33 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <1o46k1$pom@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1nsvc2INN1l1m@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> <1993Mar15.182719.27410@adobe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Christoph Schittel writes >> I like TeXView very much, but now I saw Previewers on PCs and X11 >> with anti-aliasing. Looks great! I want it for my NeXT (still NS2.1) >> too. Is someone developing something like this? I modified TeXview to do anti-aliasing quite a while back, but only for black and white (->gray). It uses significantly more off-screen buffers and the rendering is not perfect, but I use it all the time, and it makes reading full pages of TeX possible. Marcel
From: meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu (Steve Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Gopher? Message-ID: <C3L9u4.Eou@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> Date: 8 Mar 93 21:18:04 GMT Sender: usenet@mailer.cc.fsu.edu Organization: Florida State University ACNS Is there a nice Gopher interface for the NeXT? Where is it archived? Thanks in advance. -Steve __________________________________________________________________ Steven Meyers MASIG B-174 | meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu Florida State University | Tele: 904-644-1168 Tallahassee, FL 32306-3041 | FAX: 904-644-9642 __________________________________________________________________
From: ljva@athena.mit.edu (L. James Valverde A. Jr.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problem Booting NeXTstation Date: 16 Mar 1993 13:32:04 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <1o4kskINN4g8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I am experiencing some difficulties in booting up my NeXTstation mono, which is operating under NS 3.0. When I turn on the machine, the start-up seems to go just fine until it reaches "Checking for Network", at which point it bails out to a small NeXT Mach Operating System window that reads: >The Network is disabled or your computer isn't connected to it. > >erase ^? intr ^C kill ^U ># At the #, I type"exit", and the start-up procedures continues and fianlly gives me the login window. When I log in, however, I am now finding that that my Preferences app is not working properly. Every time it tries to fire up, I get an error message that reads: >The icon for that selection couldn't be loaded. >/NextApps/Preferences.app/Time.preferences Does anyone happen to know what is going on here? Are these two problems related? If so, how can I fix it? I have no idea how this problem came about. This started happening after I experienced a System Panic on this stand-alone machine. Obviously, this corrupted or changed something... Any help would be appreciated. L. James Valverde MIT ljva@athena.mit.edu
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I signal Preview to open a new file? Date: 16 Mar 1993 13:43:09 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <1o4lhdINN50s@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> We heavily use a set of home-brewed scripts for processing troff->eqn->ptroff->Preview. For now, every time you run the script, it fires up a new copy of Preview. In addition to the user having to wait for Preview to fire up each time, there's the added complication that they have to quit Preview each time, or else their screen (and memory!) gets full of Previewers. Does it accept a kill -USERSOMETHING PID? How about via Services? Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------------------------------- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory MIT
From: rs05@gte.com (Russ Sasnett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Message-ID: <8594@ceylon.gte.com> Date: 16 Mar 93 15:33:50 GMT References: <1nsvc2INN1l1m@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> <1993Mar15.182719.27410@adobe.com> Sender: news@ceylon.gte.com Followup-To: rs05@gte.com Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA Scott Byer (byer@mv.us.adobe.com) wrote: > Display PostScript does not inherently support anti-aliasing for > many good technical reasons [...] and: > It would be a fairly easy to to write a previewer that did > anti-aliased preview. Given the high quality of NeXT's monitors > though (especially the monochrome), I wonder if it is really worth > it. Anti-aliased text is extremely useful whenever you're 'rendering' to video, or trying to read off the screen (REALLY read, not just preview to make sure a document will print okay). IBM Yorktown developed an experimental frame buffer called the YODA (Yorktown Display Architecture) for PCs about five years ago. It was an accelerated graphics processor that did anti-aliased text and lines with microcoded hardware. Pages looked fantastic; much easier on the eyes. Of course there is no more spatial resolution there; but what you see is truly easier to read and causes less eye strain than non-antialiased text. IBM did proofreading tests off the screen which showed that normal "green-screen" PC text (CGA?) was only 75% as 'effective' as paper in reading accuracy tasks. Anti-aliased text pages (anti-aliased black text on white pages) led to 95% effectiveness ratings compared to paper. Qualitative surveys also indicated a strong preference for the anti-aliased text and a belief that it led to less fatigue. There's a company or product for video professionals called 'DFX' that does anti-aliased PostScript titles for video output. Do you know if they 'extended' PostScript for their application, or do they just use off-screen Level 2 compositing as you discussed earlier? --Russ rs05@gte.com
From: jkl@nugget.East.Sun.COM (Jay Llewellyn - Sun Systems Engineer - Mt. Laurel NJ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Date: 16 Mar 1993 16:18:45 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1o4ul5$e3v@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> References: <FISCHER.93Mar15233201@fibonacci.iesd.auc.dk> In article 93Mar15233201@fibonacci.iesd.auc.dk, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes: > >>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Thomsen (thomsen@spf.trw.com) >Way back when a Sun3-60 (16 MHz 030) and X10R4 (yup, *10*) was >considered hot, Sun came up with a NeWS (the Network Extensible Window >System), a window system based on an extended variant of PostScript. >It was very nice indeed and performed very well on the 3/60. It also >did stuff like moving windows around with contents etc., and it was >*fast*. NeWS blew X away at the time, technically, conceptually, and >performance-wise. > >Alas, Sun decided to sit on NeWS instead of making it the smash hit it >deserved to be. The rest is silence. Sun did not sit on NeWS, IBM, DEC, HP, and others made sure that Sun did not get to set another standard like they did with NFS, instead everyone got together to sing the praises of X, and bury NeWS. - Jay Jay Llewellyn (609)231-5711 | Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation jay.llewellyn@east.sun.com | 6000 Midlantic Drive, Suite 102N OS Ambassador | Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054 "In the land of the dark, the ship of the Sun is driven by Scott McNealy"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eric@cs.sfu.ca (Eric Kolotyluk) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.155213.15731@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada References: <FISCHER.93Mar15233201@fibonacci.iesd.auc.dk> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 15:52:13 GMT Maybe we should start sending our Purchase Orders into NeXT for the SPARC version of NeXTStep. At least I'm ready. Sun have some pretty decent hardware, especially the SPARCstation series. Unlike NeXT, Sun has a very rich product line with lots of options, and an incredible install base. Unlike the PC world, SPARCstations really do the oomph to run NeXTstep properly. Alas Sun's software is lacking. Most annoyning is the number of bugs in OpenWindows, many of which have been there since version 1.0 and still not fixed. Compared to OpenWindows, NeXTStep is rock solid. I think NeXTStep for SPARC would be a win-win for NeXT and Sun since I for one would buy more SPARCstations if they came with NeXTStep. _____________________________________________________________________ Eric Kolotyluk Eric_Kolotyluk@sfu.ca Manager, Research and Education Systems +1 604 291-3014 phone School of Computing Science +1 604 291-3045 fax Simon Fraser University
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS/INTEL: Hard Disk Transferability? Date: 16 Mar 1993 15:50:32 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1o4t08INN3in@golden.kaleida.com> References: <1993Mar15.194016.133070@zeus.calpoly.edu> In article <1993Mar15.194016.133070@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes: > In article <1993Mar13.112454.12355@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo > Welch) writes: > > > > Will NS/INTEL recognize SCSI hard disk volumes? I wonder if I can > transfer > > data by transferring hard disks. > > > > /ivo welch > > If by this you mean, Will NS harddisks be interchangable between NS > hardware platforms?, then the nswer is YES! As a testament to NeXT > programmers they discovered thsiworked oneday by accadent, it wasn't until > after they hooked up a drive on a station that they realized it was from a > NS 486 system. > What about the boot drive? One of the nice things about NeXT hardware is that I can have an external drive which I can just hook up to any other NeXT and boot from it. I'm assuming that I won't be able to do that on Intel machines due to the various configurations. What I'm wondering is if there is a way to make a "temporary" change to the configuration of a NS/Intel boot disk. Furthermore, is there a way to configure an external disk so that it's bootable from a NeXT computer as well as an Intel machine? I have a NeXT at home, but have Intel machines at work. Any ideas? Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed Faught) Subject: Re: Shakespeare icon Message-ID: <1993Mar16.172948.11030@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: usenet@sunova.ssc.gov (News Admin) Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory References: <1993Mar15.184129.17012@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 17:29:48 GMT In article <1993Mar15.184129.17012@bmerh85.bnr.ca> sircomp@bcarh90.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) writes: >Hi all: > I just noticed that the .dir.tiff file in the /NextLibrary/ >Literature/Shakespeare folder on my 3.0 CD is toast. Mine too! -- Ed Faught WA9WDM faught@berserk.ssc.gov DEFINITELY NOT a spokesman for the Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS/INTEL: Hard Disk Transferability? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.184054.141874@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 16 Mar 93 18:40:54 GMT References: <1o4t08INN3in@golden.kaleida.com> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo > What about the boot drive? One of the nice things about NeXT hardware is > that I can have an external drive which I can just hook up to any other > NeXT and boot from it. I'm assuming that I won't be able to do that on > Intel machines due to the various configurations. > > What I'm wondering is if there is a way to make a "temporary" change to > the configuration of a NS/Intel boot disk. Furthermore, is there a way to > configure an external disk so that it's bootable from a NeXT computer as > well as an Intel machine? I have a NeXT at home, but have Intel machines > at work. Any ideas? > > Paul > .................................................................... > Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! > Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com Well fat binaries might solve your problem but I'm not sure. You would have to overcome two difficulties that I can see to be able to boot on different hardware platforms. First NeXT has to ship the OS in a fat format, if they don't (which they very well may not for a number of reasons) then you may be out of luck. If they do then you have to find some way of telling the system how to look at the appropriate portion of the binaries. It might be possible to build a floppy that will tell the machine to look for a specific binary type, I don't know. I would keep it withen the realm of possibility that there will be no way to boot from the same drive to different platforms. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <tlm.732305331@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <FISCHER.93Mar15233201@fibonacci.iesd.auc.dk> <1993Mar16.155213.15731@sfu.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:08:51 GMT In <1993Mar16.155213.15731@sfu.ca> eric@cs.sfu.ca (Eric Kolotyluk) writes: >I think NeXTStep for SPARC would be a win-win for NeXT and Sun since >I for one would buy more SPARCstations if they came with NeXTStep. >_____________________________________________________________________ Ditto!! and I know many others who think the same. This sentiment is equally appropriate vis-a-vis the HP hardware. Now the only question is, will NeXT port to Sun, HP, both (hooray hooray) or neither (sigh....perhaps the most likely outcome :( Tom >Eric Kolotyluk Eric_Kolotyluk@sfu.ca >Manager, Research and Education Systems +1 604 291-3014 phone >School of Computing Science +1 604 291-3045 fax >Simon Fraser University
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port deficiencies Message-ID: <32598@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 16 Mar 93 19:05:59 GMT References: <1993Feb21.070043.8669@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <thierman.732241995@namao> Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD About two weeks ago, I posted a rather rude E-mail message I received from thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca (Chris Thierman). Then today, I find this post from thierman@namao.uucp (Chris Thierman), which claims that the message I posted was a fake: >curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes: > >>In comp.sys.next.misc, dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz) writes: >>>I'm confused ! DCE and DTE refer to the equipment at either end of the >>>cable, not to signals in the cable itself, which are DTR, DSR, RTS, CTS, >>>DCD, TxD, RxD, etc .... > >>I too was confused my his use of DCE. So I wrote him a messages asking >>him what he meant and giving him a few possible alternatives of what might >>be going on. I got this very interesting reply back from him: > >>| Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 21:21:28 -0700 >>| From: thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca (Chris Thierman) >>| Message-Id: <9302240421.AA02015@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca> >>| To: curt (Curt Welch) >>| Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port >>| >>| Thank you, I'm quite fucking aware of all these little points. If you >>| really knew anything you would have known what DCE really was. So, next >>| time you plan to reply to someones message try saying something >>| usefull. Don't respond, I've set things up to automaticly delete >>| anything you ever send me in the future. > >>Curt >I find it very disturbing that a user on the net would create such a fictional >message, and use the headers from one of my messages, to make it appear as if >from me. Then to post it on the net, obviously to satisfy some personal need to >lash out at someone. >My only message to Curt contained no such text. In fact I was more surprised by >his reply to my message. Which contained lots of abusive statements and no >informational content. My actual reply was as follows: >> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 21:21:28 -0700 >> From: thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca (Chris Thierman) >> Message-Id: <9302240421.AA02015@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca> >> To: curt (Curt Welch) >> Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port >> >> I find your message extreamly offensive, and I'm really not sure why you >> have taken the time to write it at all. I was only asking if anyone had >> any info on the Classmate Model 10 caller ID computer interface and how >> it worked with the NeXT. In the future I would suggest you not send such >> messages to people as others may take more offence then I. This is very interersting. Here's the actual message I received. I added | to the beginning of each line, but this time I didn't edit it like last time. |Return-Path: thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca |Return-Path: <thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca> |Received: from nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) | id AA16116; Tue, 23 Feb 93 23:22:37 EST |Received: by nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca | (NX5.67c) id AA02015; Tue, 23 Feb 93 21:21:28 -0700 |Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 21:21:28 -0700 |From: thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca (Chris Thierman) |Message-Id: <9302240421.AA02015@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca> |Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) |Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) |To: curt (Curt Welch) |Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port deficiencies | |Thank you, I'm quite fucking aware of all these little points. If you really knew anything you |would have known what DCE really was. So, next time you plan to reply to someones |message try saying something usefull. Don't respond, I've set things up to automaticly |delete anything you ever send me in the future. Chris, it looks to me like you are the one forging messages. And you're not doing a very good job of it. Why does your "actual reply" have the exact same headers as the version I posted? Notice how I changed the Subject: line by removing the extra spaces and the word "deficiencies" so it wouldn't wrap on 80 column terminals. Notice how I removed the extra Received: lines to make it more readable. Also notice how the To: header in your "actual reply" says "curt" instead of "curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil". The sendmail on oasys is configured to strip off the domain name when we receive a message - so my copy of your messages just says To: curt. But your copy of the message should have the full domain name on the To: line. It couldn't have made it to me if it didn't. It sure is strange that your "actual reply" has the exact same header as the one I posted instead of having your "real" header. Why does this make me feel like you just copied my posting of your message and changed the wording to the way you wanted it to read? Chris, I did not forge that message. Someone sent it to me. If it wasn't you, then I'm sorry that it has made you look bad. But so far, it just looks to me like you are digging a deeper hole for yourself. I'm also sorry that I posted the message. It really wasn't an appropriate thing to do without your permission. But I can't undo this mistake now. >I was then barraged by mail from this fellow, that I proceeded to ignore. And >now to my surprise I see he's taken to slandering me with false messages >on the Net. I sent one, and only one, reply to your mail. Which, as you say, was ignored. Here it is: |Return-Path: curt |Return-Path: <curt> |Received: from localhost by oasys.dt.navy.mil (5.61/oasys.dt.navy.mil) | id AA08036; Wed, 24 Feb 93 10:26:18 EST |Message-Id: <9302241526.AA08036@oasys.dt.navy.mil> |To: thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca (Chris Thierman) |Cc: curt |Subject: Re: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port deficiencies |In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 23 Feb 93 21:21:28 -0700. | <9302240421.AA02015@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca> |Date: Wed, 24 Feb 93 10:26:17 -0500 |From: curt | |> Thank you, I'm quite fucking aware of all these little points. If you really |knew anything you |> would have known what DCE really was. | |Boy, did I catch you on a bad day or what? | |Since I tried (and seem to have failed) to help you. Perhaps you can |help me. What is DCE? Have you figured out why the NeXT didn't work? |Have you found a way to make it work? | |Curt If you have copies of the messages that you think I sent you, I'd like to see them. We have daily backups of this system going back for months. These backups include the syslog files and all the user's files. It will be easy to verify what really happend. >I suggest Mr Curt Welch you consider the legal implications of >what you have done. I'm also sure the military site to which you belong would >also not appreciate such abuse of the networks. You are quite right, the military site to which I belong does not appreciate, (or tolerate) this type of abuse. If someone is forging messages, we would very much like to know about it. I would welcome your assistance in locating the source of these messages and the truth about what happened. And if someone is forging messages on your side, I'll be happy to do anything I can to help you track down that person. Curt Welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ijeff@hank.carleton.ca (Ian Jefferson) Subject: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <ijeff.732308508@cunews> Summary: Is there a Grammer checker? Keywords: Grammer Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 19:01:48 GMT Does anyone know of a grammer checker for NeXT? How about in french? thanks -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Jefferson ijeff@ccs.carleton.ca No NeXT mail please! ijeff@computeractive.on.ca NeXT mail please!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: 3.0 uprade ?? Message-ID: <C3ztsw.K3r@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Mar16.025316.255@eps.com> <1993Mar16.083803.12580@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 17:55:28 GMT yourmom@storm.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes: >Steve Kornreich (uunet!eps!steve) wrote: >: Does anybody know if NeXT will continue to upgrade the os to support existing >: NeXT hardware??. Is it time to sell our NeXT Dimension system and buy a 486 >: eisa base machine.. >: Thanks >: Steve Kornreich >: steve@eps.com >Last I heard, NeXT was committed to supporting the 68K hardware for >all software releases through the end of 1995 (or was it 1994?). The letter that NeXT sent out says 'We also intend to make new releases available at least through the end of 1995.' (I only got 3 copies of this letter and NS/Intel slicks... not nearly as bad as the NWExpo mailings) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.182424.1306@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <8594@ceylon.gte.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:24:24 GMT Russ Sasnett writes > IBM did proofreading tests off the screen which showed that normal > "green-screen" PC text (CGA?) was only 75% as 'effective' as paper > in reading accuracy tasks. Anti-aliased text pages (anti-aliased > black text on white pages) led to 95% effectiveness ratings compared > to paper. Qualitative surveys also indicated a strong preference > for the anti-aliased text and a belief that it led to less fatigue. I think it would be more interesting to repeat the study with 300 dpi flat panel displays. I think the differences (between anti-aliased and unprocessed) at that point would be nearly non-existent. Even if they were, the technical problems for dynamic display are still there. > There's a company or product for video professionals called 'DFX' > that does anti-aliased PostScript titles for video output. Do you > know if they 'extended' PostScript for their application, or do > they just use off-screen Level 2 compositing as you discussed > earlier? Digital FX is using the off-screen buffering method. At TV resolution (extremely pitiful) I would argue that anti-aliasing is very necessary. At that resolution, the most efficient solution is the off-screen method. <Side Note> Did anybody see Babylon 5? I know, it was barely worth watching. The effects were quite cheesy, and the lack of anti-aliasing (among other things) was one of the reasons. That's what you get for using an Amiga instead of an SGI. :-) :-) (Yes, I know it was a software problem. That's still no excuse.) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.182454.1418@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <8594@ceylon.gte.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:24:54 GMT Russ Sasnett writes > IBM did proofreading tests off the screen which showed that normal > "green-screen" PC text (CGA?) was only 75% as 'effective' as paper > in reading accuracy tasks. Anti-aliased text pages (anti-aliased > black text on white pages) led to 95% effectiveness ratings compared > to paper. Qualitative surveys also indicated a strong preference > for the anti-aliased text and a belief that it led to less fatigue. I think it would be more interesting to repeat the study with 300 dpi flat panel displays. I think the differences (between anti-aliased and unprocessed) at that point would be nearly non-existent. Even if they were, the technical problems for dynamic display are still there. > There's a company or product for video professionals called 'DFX' > that does anti-aliased PostScript titles for video output. Do you > know if they 'extended' PostScript for their application, or do > they just use off-screen Level 2 compositing as you discussed > earlier? Digital FX is using the off-screen buffering method. At TV resolution (extremely pitiful) I would argue that anti-aliasing is very necessary. At that resolution, the most efficient solution is the off-screen method. <Side Note> Did anybody see Babylon 5? I know, it was barely worth watching. The effects were quite cheesy, and the lack of anti-aliasing (among other things) was one of the reasons. That's what you get for using an Amiga instead of an SGI. :-) :-) (Yes, I know it was a software problem. That's still no excuse.) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.182628.1619@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1o46k1$pom@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:26:28 GMT Russ Sasnett writes > IBM did proofreading tests off the screen which showed that normal > "green-screen" PC text (CGA?) was only 75% as 'effective' as paper > in reading accuracy tasks. Anti-aliased text pages (anti-aliased > black text on white pages) led to 95% effectiveness ratings compared > to paper. Qualitative surveys also indicated a strong preference > for the anti-aliased text and a belief that it led to less fatigue. I think it would be more interesting to repeat the study with 300 dpi flat panel displays. I think the differences (between anti-aliased and unprocessed) at that point would be nearly non-existent. Even if they were significant, the technical problems for dynamic display are still there. > There's a company or product for video professionals called 'DFX' > that does anti-aliased PostScript titles for video output. Do you > know if they 'extended' PostScript for their application, or do > they just use off-screen Level 2 compositing as you discussed > earlier? Digital FX is using the off-screen buffering method. At TV resolution (extremely pitiful) I would argue that anti-aliasing is very necessary. At that resolution, the most efficient solution is the off-screen method. <Side Note> Did anybody see Babylon 5? I know, it was barely worth watching. The effects were quite cheesy, and the lack of anti-aliasing (among other things) was one of the reasons. That's what you get for using an Amiga instead of an SGI. :-) :-) (Yes, I know it was a software problem. That's still no excuse.) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? <oops> Message-ID: <1993Mar16.182741.1733@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Mar16.182454.1418@adobe.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:27:41 GMT Thank you, NewsGrazer, for telling me my posts didn't work when they did. Sorry, everybody. <%#$@#%#!> -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 15:25:37 EST From: <TKUSTER@auvm.american.edu> Message-ID: <93075.152537TKUSTER@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Changing monitor background References: <1993Mar2.223857.4633@proponent.com> <1993Mar4.180026.1436@metrosoft.com> On a different vien is it possible to place a gif or a tiff or some other sort of file as the background for Next. A friend of mine did it once but he's since gone to a different company. thanks. --- Tkuster@American.Edu -- Todd Kusterer, CS student dodging real world _The_ American University -- The acronym really is TAU I can't be held responsible if reality doesn't follow my fantasies.
From: jdawson@cs.utexas.edu (John Dawson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Date: 16 Mar 1993 14:33:31 -0600 Organization: None Message-ID: <lqcecrINNq04@langtry.cs.utexas.edu> References: <1993Mar15.164203.26867@bernina.ethz.ch> <1993Mar15.184214.28230@adobe.com> In article <1993Mar15.184214.28230@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: >"Moving" a window is simply blasting bits around with some clipping >- no vector drawing involved. The amount of performance required >in the unclipped case is directly proportional to the screen depth. >Any overhead involved in such moving is swamped by the power required >for the move. > >The speed with which an "OpaqueMove" is done by twm will be just >about the same as for a NeXTSTEP terminal window. If NeXTSTEP can >be made to deal with 1/bpp and 8/bpp (Display PostScript is ready, >it's the alpha-channel that's a little tricky to deal with) the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >SPARC systems would have more than enough power. Explain this statement. I thought that frame buffers had no notion of an alpha component. I concede that the normal Sun Pixrect bit- blasting operations can't be used to do zippy drawing into nonretained windows, but dragging windows around *IS* such an operation. This should also include the case of when you do any drawing into the offscreen buffer of a buffered window (which is the case almost all the time) and then the buffer gets bit-blasted into the frame buffer so you can see it. -- john@arissoft.com (John Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar16.202039.15640@macc.wisc.edu> Keywords: Grammer Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <ijeff.732308508@cunews> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 20:20:39 GMT Who could resist? In article <ijeff.732308508@cunews> ijeff@hank.carleton.ca (Ian Jefferson) writes: >Does anyone know of a grammer checker for NeXT? How about >in french? ^^^^^^^ Spelling checker too, while we're at it? -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do I signal Preview to open a new file? Message-ID: <65119@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 16 Mar 93 20:50:13 GMT References: <1o4lhdINN50s@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1o4lhdINN50s@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> robert@amo.mit.edu writes: > We heavily use a set of home-brewed scripts for processing troff->eqn->ptroff->Preview. > For now, every time you run the script, it fires up a new copy of Preview. if you pipe postscript into the open(1) command, it brings it up in a Preview window. if Preview is running, you just get a new window. if you open an xxx.ps file, same thing happens (open is useful and seamless in many ways) you still have to close the old Preview window, if you really want nice Previewing, try TeX and TeXView. -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.210217.9467@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <lqcecrINNq04@langtry.cs.utexas.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 21:02:17 GMT John Dawson writes > Explain this statement. I thought that frame buffers had no notion > of an alpha component. I concede that the normal Sun Pixrect bit- > blasting operations can't be used to do zippy drawing into nonretained > windows, but dragging windows around *IS* such an operation. Exactly. Moving windows around is a blit. Making NeXTSTEP work, however, requires that the alpha support be changed to add support for 1-bit and 8-bit displays. If you were willing to give up alpha channel... -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.212230.26410@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <1993Mar15.164203.26867@bernina.ethz.ch> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 21:22:30 GMT You wrote: > Glenn Brown [ME] writes > > Anyone who has used twm (an X window-management program) with > > 'OpaqueMove' set on an IPC knows there is enough power there [to > > be a good NeXTSTEP worstation]. > I believe it takes over 300% more performance to move a DPS > Terminal-Window > than to OpaqueMove twm surrounded xterm. DPS is much more complex since > everything is vectors compred to bitmaps in X. Please correct me ... Fortunately, this is not the case. Basically, all the windows on NeXTs are drawn off-screen. The off-screen bitmap is copied on-screen when the window is displayed or moved. Therefore, each time a dragged window is drawn, the computer block copies the dragged window from its off-screen bitmap into its new on-screen location, and then the computer erases what can be seen of the dragged window in its prior position by _again_ copying data from the appropriate off-screen window buffers or, more simply, filling the region with the desktop background color as appropriate. (Note the above is a simplification of what is actually done, but only _slightly_ so.) All that I have described above takes negligibly more time than the ever so slightly simpler procedure used by Twm's OpaqueMove option. It does, however, take lots of off-screen memory. (Note that, in order to save memory, the off-screen bitmaps on the NeXT are stored as 2bit images even on color machines unless the window actually contains colors other than the those seen on monochrome machines.) Therefore, I conclude that a color IPC could more than adequately handle the window dragging needs of NeXTSTEP. However, I grant that my little experiment says nothing about the ability of a SparcStation to perform DPS drawing, which is matrix and vector based (but not used when dragging windows). To this I say: My little OpaqueMove experiment has demonstrated that the SparcStation has adequate throughput to the display for DPS. The only other thing that would limit DPS rendering is the actual integer and floating point processing needed to perform DPS rendering. Clearly, the Sparc has integer and floating point power superior to the 68040. The 68040 is adequate for the computation required by DPS, so the Sparc chip is /at least/ adequate in this respect. Therefore, an IPC has both the throughput to the display and the computational power required to be a very nice NeXTSTEP workstation. --Glenn
From: Conrad_Geiger@next.com (Conrad Geiger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WhiteLight Information Manager for NeXTSTEP Shipping Now Message-ID: <7052@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 16 Mar 93 21:07:41 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software News: For further information, please contact: WhiteLight Systems, Inc. 200 Page Mill Road, Suite 200 Palo Alto, CA 94306 Phone: (415) 321-2183 Fax: (415) 321-2083 fax Email: whitelight@whitelight.com WhiteLight Information Manager for NeXTSTEP Shipping Now March 1, 1993 - WhiteLight Systems announced Release 1.0 of our software, renamed WhiteLight Information Manager. WhiteLight Information Manager is available only on NeXTSTEP. It is a unique implementation of object oriented technology. It is not just an object-oriented reworking of other software. For many important applications, it is superior to any other software, because at the heart of each application is a dynamic model of the business. The application can actually closely represent the business. Fortune 500 companies use WhiteLight Information Manager to build integrated EIS, DSS, and MIS applications as complex and dynamic as their business requires, by combining the ease-of-use of EIS, the flexibility of DSS, and the completeness of MIS. "With WhiteLight's help, we built a complete budget system for our international business sector in a few weeks. For the first time, we can understand the multi-dimensional impact of our decisions," says Don Sherwood, Staff Director of PacTel Corporation. "A consolidation and reporting process that took weeks last year, I did myself in hours this year." Current installed customers include: AT&T Easy Link Services Ernst & Young NeXT Pac Tel Corporation Swiss Bank Corp U.S. WEST WilTel As one customer says, our product is best understood as a financial/business modeling application. The primary benefits are (1) the end user CAN model the business (2) there is no redundancy (3) there is no inconsistency (4) the application can adapt to changing business conditions (5) information can be delivered in a real (decision) timeframe (hours not weeks). IM is beyond the spreadsheet and is on its way to becoming a requirement for every global enterprise, or any enterprise that wishes to grow to scale without mass. We didn't invent the demand for this application - customers have asked for the ability to go beyond the limitations enforced by spreadsheet. Applications currently in production use or development include: Budgeting Financial analysis Financial reporting Multicurrency consolidations Strategic planning Project planning Transfer pricing New business analysis Direct marketing Real estate portfolio analysis _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Use WhiteLight Information Manager to build integrated EIS, DSS and MIS applications that include, for example, financial consolidation and reporting, business planning, budgeting, transfer pricing and financial analysis. WhiteLight Information Manager automatically manages business objects that you create and reuse, in an N-dimensional information architecture as complex and dynamic as your business requires. Small end user/developer teams design and install fully-operational applications, tailored to business requirements, in weeks. End users modify and extend their applications, by reusing information in a structured architecture. Chip Goodman President WhiteLight Systems, Inc. (415) 321-2183 chip@whitelight.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Subject: Re: Changing monitor background References: <1993Mar2.223857.4633@proponent.com> Sender: gemoe@proximus.north.de Organization: Gerhard Moeller, German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 14:19:15 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar16.141915.1308@proximus.north.de> In article <1993Mar2.223857.4633@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> writes: > Is there any way to change the monitor background from grey to white? If you use 3.0, check the preferences. (Monitor) -- +---------------------------< principiis obsta! >---------------------------+ N Gerhard Moeller, Teichstrasse 12, 2900 Oldenburg (FRG) [*: 02/21/1968] N e Private: gemoe@proximus.north.de Phone (voice): +49-441-75520 e X Uni: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE NeXTmail X T Z-Net: Gerhard.Moeller@uniol.zer encouraged! T +-> NoGeNUG - Northern German NeXT User Group: NoGeNUG@proximus.north.DE <-+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.214827.27239@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <1993Mar15.182719.27410@adobe.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 21:48:27 GMT > Christoph Schittel writes > > I like TeXView very much, but now I saw Previewers on PCs and X11 > > with anti-aliasing. Looks great! I want it for my NeXT (still NS2.1) > > too. Is someone developing something like this? Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes > Anti-aliasing really only makes sense in two contexts (and some > variations of each) - preview [...] and video. TeXView IS a previewer. A TeX file previewer. Also, it uses bitmapped fonts rather than PS fonts designed to be displayed at low resolution, so the fonts are TERRIBLY aliased at screen resolutions. > [...]I've yet to see an imaging > model that includes anti-aliasing that does not have a "stray pixel" > problem. Well, then, here is a simple one that would work great on a NeXT: Do all image manipulation in a off-screen buffer stretched vertically by a factor of three, This is trivial on a NeXT: NeXTs already use off-screen buffers and you can do the scaling in PostScript using '1 3 scale\n'. Do all image manipulation in the buffer as you would in a normal editor without anti-aliasing. For display, copy the image from off-screen onto the screen by 'averaging' verticle strips of 3 pixels. Since anti-aliasing is used only for display, there will be not stray pixel problem. I chose a scaling factor of 3 because for vertical strips of 3 black and white pixels (as is most common in text) averaging the verticle strips of black and white pixels maps exactly onto the 4 greys displayable by all NeXTs. Of course, this technique is suboptimal in a mathematical sense... But then again, ALL antialiasing (filtering) techniques in digital signal processing are suboptimal. --Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rprice@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rodney.price) Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.213339.26683@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Summary: how did you do it? Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T References: <1nsvc2INN1l1m@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE> <1o46k1$pom@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 21:33:39 GMT In article <1o46k1$pom@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) writes: > > I modified TeXview to do anti-aliasing quite a while back, but only > for black and white (->gray). It uses significantly more off-screen > buffers and the rendering is not perfect, but I use it all the time, > and it makes reading full pages of TeX possible. > > Marcel How did you do it? How can I get a copy? I'm dying to know. Rod Price rprice@physics.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ijeff@hank.carleton.ca (Ian Jefferson) Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <ijeff.732322106@cunews> Keywords: Grammer Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University References: <ijeff.732308508@cunews> <1993Mar16.202039.15640@macc.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 22:48:26 GMT In <1993Mar16.202039.15640@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >Who could resist? >In article <ijeff.732308508@cunews> ijeff@hank.carleton.ca >(Ian Jefferson) writes: >>Does anyone know of a grammer checker for NeXT? How about >>in french? ^^^^^^^ >Spelling checker too, while we're at it? Ouch! I've just gotta get my NeXT on the internet! Spell on the sun dosn't cut it. >-- >[Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] >[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] >[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] >[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------] -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Jefferson ijeff@ccs.carleton.ca No NeXT mail please! ijeff@computeractive.on.ca NeXT mail please!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Simple way to assign icon? Message-ID: <C405vE.43u@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 22:16:25 GMT Hi, Is there a simple(minded) way to assign an icon to all files with a particular extension? -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: weaverb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Brian Weaver) Subject: ytalk problem Message-ID: <weaverb.732322275@spot.Colorado.EDU> Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 22:51:15 GMT Has anyone gotten ytalk 2.0 to compile on a next? It compiled fine on our Dec 5000, but I'm getting no where on the next box. If someone who has done this could help me out I'd be very grateful. Or, if you know where a compiled talk is for the next that I can ftp, that would also work.. -- Brian -- Brian Weaver (303)786-0021 University of Colorado at Boulder weaverb@boulder.Colorado.EDU (internet) KD6CFA@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA (packet radio) PGP Public key available via finger or request.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar16.235436.23236@macc.wisc.edu> Keywords: Grammer Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <ijeff.732308508@cunews> <1993Mar16.202039.15640@macc.wisc.edu> <ijeff.732322106@cunews> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 23:54:36 GMT In article <ijeff.732322106@cunews> ijeff@hank.carleton.ca (Ian Jefferson) writes: >>>Does anyone know of a grammer checker for NeXT? How about >>>in french? ^^^^^^^ >>Spelling checker too, while we're at it? >Ouch! >I've just gotta get my NeXT on the internet! Spell on the sun >dosn't cut it. I see what you mean. :-) -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: jdawson@cs.utexas.edu (John Dawson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Date: 16 Mar 1993 18:29:06 -0600 Organization: None Message-ID: <lqcs6iINNqmr@langtry.cs.utexas.edu> References: <lqcecrINNq04@langtry.cs.utexas.edu> <1993Mar16.210217.9467@adobe.com> In article <1993Mar16.210217.9467@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: >John Dawson writes > >> Explain this statement. I thought that frame buffers had no notion >> of an alpha component. I concede that the normal Sun Pixrect bit- >> blasting operations can't be used to do zippy drawing into nonretained >> windows, but dragging windows around *IS* such an operation. > >Exactly. Moving windows around is a blit. Making NeXTSTEP work, >however, requires that the alpha support be changed to add support >for 1-bit and 8-bit displays. If you were willing to give up alpha >channel... Grasshopper is now enlightened. This answers another question I had for the longest time: namely, why in the WORLD does NeXTSTEP not support one-bit windows, when Display PostScript clearly supports one-bit devices. That pesky alpha component ... It seems to me that doing 1- or 8-bit grayscale alpha support wouldn't be hard. 1-bit is similar to 2-bit, and 8-bit is the trivial case. 8-bit color, of course, is much thornier -- but possible, with really clever dithering. I sure wish NeXT would just write 'em ... -- john@arissoft.com (John Dawson)
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Crontab editor Message-ID: <1993Mar16.215116.1834@gleap.jupnix.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 21:51:16 GMT Sender: clloyd@gleap.jupnix.com Organization: GiantLeap Software Has anyone ever seen a gui which serves as a crontab editor? -- ____________________________________________________________ Charles Lloyd GiantLeap Software (713) 363-0887
From: mcullen@rothko.symantec.com (Michael Cullen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SNMP manager for the NeXT Date: 17 Mar 1993 03:39:05 GMT Organization: Symantec Corporation Message-ID: <1o66gpINNiib@grumpy.symantec.com> First of all, thanks to all who wrote back and expressed an interest. I have found a company call Ridgeback Systems. They are in southern California (phone is 310 456-6094). They are working on a beta piece of software which impliments the mib2 standard. In this release they are taking an observation point of view (no mib compilers in this release). The software is really good (for the first beta release). I am running it on 2.1 on an 030 cube. The abilities to build your own internet maps are simple and straight forward. The alarms work well (including emailing you if something critical goes wrong). The only draw back I have found is the inablility to do single queries. I recommend giving them a call! mcullen@rothko.symantec.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Mac compatible compression software for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar17.025406.20428@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 02:54:06 GMT What is the best (hopefully PD) software that I can use to compress some files on a NeXT so they can be put on floppy disks and loaded onto a Mac? The service bureau has StuffIt (or whatever that is called) and DataViz, but not much else. I need to find something by Wednesday that will work for both of us. Unfortunately, I haven't had to get involved with this much in the past, so I'm not up-to-date on quick, easy, and cheap ways to accomplish this. A Syquest drive is NOT the answer I'm looking for. :-) Just need to handle a couple of files that won't _quite_ fit on a 1.44MB floppy. John Bartley john@wpa.com
From: gil@asterix.lbl.gov (Gil Rivlis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Icon.app Request, again.... Date: 17 Mar 1993 06:41:06 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA Distribution: na Message-ID: <1o6h62INNipi@overload.lbl.gov> Can someone NeXTmail me a patched Icon.app? (I mean the patched version that works with 3.0) I don't have access to NS2.1. Thanks a lot, Gil -- Gil Rivlis, Department of Physics, UC Berkeley gil@asterix.lbl.gov (NeXT Mail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: icf@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ira Frosch) Subject: Re: Problem Booting NeXTstation Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Mar17.135109.27589@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 13:51:09 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1o4kskINN4g8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1o4kskINN4g8@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, ljva@athena.mit.edu (L. James Valverde A. Jr.) writes: |> I am experiencing some difficulties in booting up my NeXTstation mono, which is operating under NS 3.0. When I turn on the machine, the start-up seems to go just fine until it reaches "Checking for Network", at which point it bails out to a small NeXT Mac|> h Operating System window that reads: |> |> >The Network is disabled or your computer isn't connected to it. |> > |> >erase ^? intr ^C kill ^U |> ># |> |> At the #, I type"exit", and the start-up procedures continues and fianlly gives me the login window. When I log in, however, I am now finding that that my Preferences app is not working properly. Every time it tries to fire up, I get an error message that|> reads: |> |> >The icon for that selection couldn't be loaded. |> >/NextApps/Preferences.app/Time.preferences |> |> Does anyone happen to know what is going on here? Are these two problems related? If so, how can I fix it? |> |> I have no idea how this problem came about. This started happening after I experienced a System Panic on this stand-alone machine. Obviously, this corrupted or changed something... |> |> Any help would be appreciated. |> |> L. James Valverde |> MIT |> ljva@athena.mit.edu |> |> I had similar things happen on bootup when I got my NeXT. Try disabling the time services and all the network "stuff" from the network setup (where your host name is) within the NetManager apps. (Can't think of which one now, 'cause I'm not on a NeXT at work :-(. The message went away when I told the machine it wasn't on a network. -- Ira
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: ytalk problem In-Reply-To: weaverb@spot.Colorado.EDU's message of Tue, 16 Mar 1993 22:51:15 GMT To: weaverb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Brian Weaver) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar17071614@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <weaverb.732322275@spot.Colorado.EDU> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 11:16:13 GMT In article <weaverb.732322275@spot.Colorado.EDU> weaverb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Brian Weaver) writes: Has anyone gotten ytalk 2.0 to compile on a next? It compiled fine on our Dec 5000, but I'm getting no where on the next box. If someone who has done this could help me out I'd be very grateful. Or, if you know where a compiled talk is for the next that I can ftp, that would also work.. Yes, I've fixed up ytalk a little bit, removed a few bugs and compiled it under 3.0. Under 2.x ytalk used to predictably cause system panics on closing. Fortunately this problem is gone now. (Who ever said all bug reports to NeXT are piped directly to /dev/null ?) For those who don't know, ytalk is a replacement for talk with several additional features: 1. ytalk talks both to ntalk (as shipped on NeXTs and most other UN*X systems) and otalk (as shipped on Suns). 2. ytalk has a conferencing mode which allows several people to participate in talk session. 3. ytalk also allows you to save conversations, does word-wrap and a few other minor but nice features. If anyone cares I can put it on orst and sonata. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim Brownfield) Subject: Re: Sun on the Run - from Open Systems Today Message-ID: <1993Mar12.153804.823@Radical.Com> Sender: jbrow@Radical.Com Organization: Radical System Solutions, Inc. References: <1993Mar11.184655.25182@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 15:38:04 GMT System Administrator writes > Drew Davidson (drew@fnbc.com) wrote: [stuff deleted] > : NextStation Turbo, are rated at only 25 MIPS, while Sun's Model 30 has been > : benchmarked at 101.6 MIPS. > => Sherwood Botsford Interesting that they chose MIPS instead of SPECKMARKS to compare the machines. A RISC chip is obviously going to have more MIPS. SPECKMARKS would be a better comparison. -- Jim Brownfield (Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com) NeXTmail accepted Radical System Solutions, Inc. rad i cal \'rad-i-kel\ n -- a basic principle: FOUNDATION
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar12.171522.6510@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Mar11.193258.26824@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 17:15:22 GMT In article <1993Mar11.193258.26824@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) writes: > Robert Weinberg (robertw@informix.com) wrote: > Sun's CEO was reputed to have said, NextStep on Sun? I'd > rather poke needles in my eyes" > > However, another rumour has him and Steve walking the > sidewalks outside their Redwood City office... > Were they doing their "Wild and Crazy Guys" impersonation too? Or were they doing the Monty Python "Silly Walks" sketch? I hear McNealy likes that one better. I just love these rumours... Gordon -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] ----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: NS/INTEL: Hard Disk Transferability? Message-ID: <1993Mar14.031705.10564@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Mar13.112454.12355@mic.ucla.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 03:17:05 GMT In article <1993Mar13.112454.12355@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > Will NS/INTEL recognize SCSI hard disk volumes? I wonder > if I can transfer data by transferring hard disks. > Yup. NeXTSTEP and NeXTSTEP/FIP filesystems are identical. Just take your external hard drive from your NeXT (or a SyQuest or Bernoulli) and plug it into your Intel box's SCSI adapter, and off ya go! Gordon -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] ----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Metrosoft: Current address Message-ID: <1993Mar14.040252.10770@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 04:02:52 GMT We changed our mailing address last Fall and apparently some people still have the old one. The current address is: Metrosoft 740 13th Street, Suite 503 San Diego, CA 92101 Phone: 619.488.9411 Fax: 619.488.3045 Product Information: info@metrosoft.com (NeXTmail OK) -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sircomp@bcarh289.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) Subject: Shakespeare's Icon Message-ID: <1993Mar16.131945.4739@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 93 13:19:45 GMT Thanks to everyone for sending me the Shakespear icon and telling me that all the CD's have the same problem. But the only problem now is that I have the CD linked to my disk to save space, so it looks like I'll have to put up with the plain-old-folder till 3.1 :-) later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill: sircomp@bnr.ca |"It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper NeXTmail preffered at: | of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. rob@hobbes.oghma.ocunix.on.ca | Get it?" - Ren Hoek
From: stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve Portigal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: HELP: Software to embed audio in text Date: 17 Mar 1993 10:57:24 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9303171656.AA03370@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca> I am a NeXT novice, so pardon any vagueness here: To run an experiment, I need some software that will quite simply allow me to embed audio as part of the structure of a text document. What I want to do is play the audio when the user scrolls past that part of the text. They should not have to launch sounds with a mouse click, etc. This is intended for blind users who won't be using the mouse, but will (perhaps) be listening to the text (and audio cues) through sound output. I'd rather not code this up myself (even if I knew how) if something exists out there that would suit my needs. Thanks to anyone who can help... Steve Portigal -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Steve Portigal, Dep't of CIS, University of Guelph, Guelph, ON, N1G 2W1 | | email: stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca Phone: (519) 824-4120 ext 3580 | | He's Big! He's Purple! He's Your Best Friend! | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: jonv@ptnext.claremont.edu (Jon Vestal) Subject: Help compiling WAIS! Message-ID: <C41K22.LAn@news.claremont.edu> Sender: news@news.claremont.edu (The News System) Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA 91711 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 16:20:25 GMT Hi, I am trying to compile WAIS on a NeXT Cube running NS 3.0 and get numerous errors, to many to list. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks in advance. Jon Vestal Systems Technician Pitzer College
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar17.021149.3719@nmt.edu> Organization: The Museum of Differential Geometry References: <FISCHER.93Mar15233201@fibonacci.iesd.auc.dk> <1o4ul5$e3v@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 02:11:49 GMT In article <1o4ul5$e3v@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> jkl@nugget.East.Sun.COM writes: >In article 93Mar15233201@fibonacci.iesd.auc.dk, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes: >> >>>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Thomsen (thomsen@spf.trw.com) >>Way back when a Sun3-60 (16 MHz 030) and X10R4 (yup, *10*) was >>considered hot, Sun came up with a NeWS (the Network Extensible Window >>System), a window system based on an extended variant of PostScript. >>It was very nice indeed and performed very well on the 3/60. It also >>did stuff like moving windows around with contents etc., and it was >>*fast*. NeWS blew X away at the time, technically, conceptually, and >>performance-wise. >>Alas, Sun decided to sit on NeWS instead of making it the smash hit it >>deserved to be. The rest is silence. > Sun did not sit on NeWS, IBM, DEC, HP, and others made sure that Sun >did not get to set another standard like they did with NFS, instead everyone >got together to sing the praises of X, and bury NeWS. Actually the failure of NeWS probably stems from several causes. (I worked on a project built in NeWS back when it first came out and still think it has a number of advantages over X.) First - Sun did not make the source available - this meant that while everyone was busy porting X to everything with dots on the screen, nobody ported NeWS. You could get source by forking over lots of money, but few people were interested. Second - NeWS, while technically superior to X (and still so, IMHO), and while offering many advantages over X, also complicated some problems - it wasnt at all easy to determine where to put code - did you write it in NeWS postscript, or in the application language. This meant that building applications became tremendously complex, often having code in several languages and there were times when it wasnt even at all clear how do do some things. Some things were expensive as well - for instance, finding out how big a string was involved sending it to NeWS, computing the bounding box and returning the dimensions to the application. In X this is often done without the round trip messaging. Finally - there were some problems in NeWS that Sun either did not respond to quickly, or that they did not respond to at all. -- jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu "Daffodils go Ping! and Oink! // They Really are alarming I'm scared of big geraniums // And I'm sure that Lilac's harming" (Dr. Bertram X. Fegg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar17.183406.14095@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <lqcecrINNq04@langtry.cs.utexas.edu> <1993Mar16.210217.9467@adobe.com> <lqcs6iINNqmr@langtry.cs.utexas.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 18:34:06 GMT In article <lqcs6iINNqmr@langtry.cs.utexas.edu> jdawson@cs.utexas.edu (John Dawson) writes: >Grasshopper is now enlightened. This answers another question I had for >the longest time: namely, why in the WORLD does NeXTSTEP not support >one-bit windows, when Display PostScript clearly supports one-bit >devices. That pesky alpha component ... I would imagine that the one bit windows would look like crud. As for 8 bit. I believe there is already support for 8 bit gray scale. -- Joe Freeman jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Date: 17 Mar 93 18:26:59 GMT Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science Message-ID: <SOWA.93Mar17112659@amdew.llnl.gov> References: <1993Mar15.182719.27410@adobe.com> <1993Mar16.214827.27239@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In-reply-to: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu's message of Tue, 16 Mar 1993 21:48:27 GMT >>>>> "Glenn" == Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome <gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu> writes: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes > Anti-aliasing really only makes sense in two contexts (and some > variations of each) - preview [...] and video. Glenn> TeXView IS a previewer. A TeX file previewer. Glenn> Also, it uses bitmapped fonts rather than PS fonts designed to be Glenn> displayed at low resolution, so the fonts are TERRIBLY aliased at screen Glenn> resolutions. You *can* use PS fonts with TeXview. It's dead easy if you don't care about math mode (for math mode you need to buy more fonts, but other than that it is still dead easy). Naturally, PS fonts look rather nice in the previewer. -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sahayman@cs.toronto.edu (Steve Hayman) Subject: Re: Shakespeare's Icon Message-ID: <93Mar17.151305est.47552@neat.cs.toronto.edu> Organization: Objectario References: <1993Mar16.131945.4739@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Date: 17 Mar 93 20:13:25 GMT >But the only problem now is >that I have the CD linked to my disk to save space, so it looks like >I'll have to put up with the plain-old-folder till 3.1 :-) >later... Not necessarily. You could make a directory on your hard disk called "Shakespeare" full of links to the individual things in the CD's Shakespeare directory, and put the icon in the hard disk folder. i.e. (of course you really should do this from the File Viewer :-) # mkdir /NextLibrary/Literature/Shakespeare # cd /NextLibrary/Literature/Shakespeare # ln -s /insert-correct-name-of-CDROM/NextLibrary/Literature/Shakespeare/* . # cp /from/somewhere/the-correct-icon .dir.tiff Step 3 is the key, you make symlinks to the CDRom's "Plays", "Various_Poems", etc rather than the Shakespeare directory itself. (also I can't remember the actual name of the 3.0 CDRom, but you get the idea.) Regards, Steve -- Steve Hayman, Objectario, Toronto 416 769 8995 shayman%objectar@uunet.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: NS/I, Dell, happy stuff... Message-ID: <1993Mar17.201939.732@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 20:19:39 GMT So we're calling Dell in Toronto to see about getting a DE/2 DGX machine (the one with 1120x832 resolution) for running NS/I. Us: "Hello, we'd like to get leasing info on a DE/2 DGX" Dell: "Is this for NeXTSTEP?" Us: (surprised) "How did you know?" Dell: "Billions of people have been calling about it. The DGX is the premier machine for NeXTSTEP" What a pleasant surprise! We were expecting the same old "NeXT-what?" Nice to know that "Billions" of people are calling... these are people preparing to buy NS/I when it's released, not beta sites like ourselves. For those interested in leasing, they said that the DE/2 DGX will cost about $400 (CDN) a month. It's their high end machine... - db
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: More Bad News: WSJ Message-ID: <1993Mar17.175555.587@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: Pro Forma Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 17:55:55 GMT The Wall Street Journal today (17-Mar-93) reported that Peter Van Cuylenberg, president of NeXT, resigned. This came as an aside in an article entitled "UNIX Program's Suppliers Adopt Joint Approach", where it was mentioned that NeXTStep was passed over in a bid to "unify UNIX". Curiously, the article does not mention OSF or Mach. Good technology does not a success make. Have a nice day. --J Gregory
From: zazula@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Ralph Zazula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can one concatenate ps files? Message-ID: <1993Mar15.190720.211@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Date: 15 Mar 93 19:07:20 GMT References: <1100@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1121@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: z@pri.com Organization: Pinnacle Research, Inc. Hi - In article <1121@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: > >slugg jello writes > >> Anybody know if there's a way to concatenate .ps (postscript) files? > Sure do. We have an application specifically for this task. It's called "PageChain" and it allows you to drag-n-drop PS, EPS, TIFF, FAX, RTF and ASCII files into a document. You can reorder the files and create a composite PS file. You can even create a multipage rendered TIFF file for screen viewing or printing. If you'd like more information on PageChain, send email to "info@pri.com" Ralph --- Ralph Zazula Pinnacle Research, Inc. zazula@pri.com (602)529-1135
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randy@appsoft.com(Randy Adams) Subject: Appsoft Draw Acquitted - Flamers Doused Message-ID: <C420Hy.73C@appsoft.com> Sender: news@appsoft.com Organization: APPSOFT Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 22:15:33 GMT Reply-To: randy@appsoft.com Distribution: world A while ago I agreed to have a "trial" for Appsoft Draw and publish the results via the net. We were quite happy to learn that almost all of the responses (95%) were from people who really liked Draw and wanted us to continue to upgrade it. And until June 1, 1993, we have lowered the educational price for Draw by 50% and you get all upgrades for free. Here are a few of the comments we received via email: "YES, you should make it available! Forget the flamers, please!" "Damn! Whats really going on here???? I guess I'm in the dark! What's with these spoiled brats?? Can you lend some insight? I purchased a copy of Draw awhile ago. I like it! No complaints! These people with only one maybe two machines definately have too much time on their hands! Let them deal with a coupla hundred machines end users! Then they would appreciate a good product!" "I have been quietly following the "Appsoft" bashing threads on c.s.n.a during the past week and I wanted to let you know that in general, most of my users here at UH enjoy Draw. I have only had a few complaints, and most were with limitations of the product. It doesn't seem to crash as much as other people claim. " "We are also extremely pleased with your support and your staff. Joe Xavier (sp?) helped me out when I had to re-license our update to Draw. In terms of support, Appsoft is light years ahead of many of the other NeXT product vendors..." "Keep Draw; I use it and like it!" "I use Draw a lot and like it very much. Please keep improving it!" "I have followed this discussion with great interest, and I admire the forthright approach you've tried to pursue." "Yow! This is thread is a serious candidate for the most bogus I've ever read. We've used Draw and its predecessor for a long time. We have Fortune 500 clients who are very fond of our Draw-produced images. It is by no means unusable." "And to think I started reading the thread because I thought it was about GOSIP rather than gossip..." "I hope your "trial" of Draw helps to clear up some of the misconceptions about the product. I was an "early adopter" of Draw. I bought it over a year ago, before it was actually released. I've been using it ever since for my home and work and it is suits my needs very well. Draw is easy to use and does a nice job for someone like me that really isn't an artist. With that said I have a few comments that directly relate to the 'trial"" "Appsoft's support group has done very well. They fixed the bugs I reported. I did have to call them to get my copy of 1.0.2, but it was sent out right away. I also like the policy of fixing minor releases for free. I guess you changed your policy, but when I first bought Draw you were selling support year by year. That was very expensive. (I wrote you a message about that at the time) I don't mind paying extra for new functionality, but I don't think that I should pay for bug fixes. Your new policy handles that much better." "I hope that Appsoft continues to improve Draw. I'd be happy to buy upgrades that include useful functionality. I hope that you'll price the upgrades appropriately to encourage people to buy it and to support your early adopters like myself. I look forward to Draw's future." Thanks for your support. Please send comments via email to randy@appsoft.com - our netfeed is spotty and we don't get all posts. Randy Adams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu (Eskandar Ensafi) Subject: Likes and Dislikes of NeXTSTEP -- your opinions? Message-ID: <1993Mar17.215654.4389@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 21:56:54 GMT You might be interested in a post I made to comp.sys.next.advocacy under the same subject heading. -Eskandar
From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (DJ Walker-Morgan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sun on the Run - from Open Systems Tod Message-ID: <C41GAD.Jyo@micromuse.co.uk> Date: 17 Mar 93 14:59:00 GMT References: <1993Mar13.210323.9459@nidat.sub.org> Sender: news@micromuse.co.uk Organization: MicroMuse - The SPARC dudes In article 9459@nidat.sub.org, Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) writes: >In article <1993Mar02.130608.24030@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. >Dornfeld) writes: >SUN still is a hardware company! They constantly sell their new models >with incomplete OS support. It takes at least one additional release of >the system SW to support all new peripherals or kernel features advertized >when they pushed the boxes out of the store. > >The day they also offer NeXTstep in that bundle I'll take the offer! Er, no SMCC is the hardware company. SunSoft make software.... I can only be pessemistic over MeXT's chances now HP,Sun,IBM,SCO,USL and Univel have all got together with COSE... NeXT might have a window of opportunity, but it closes at the end of 93. --- ============================================================================ dj@micromuse.co.uk |"In a perfect world we'd all sing in tune Voice +44-71-352-7774 | but this is reality so give some room" Fax +44-71-351-7834 | (Sir) William Bragg ------------------------+--------------------------------------------------- Non-standard Disclaimer : "I didn't do it, it wasn't me, I wasn't there"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: Including .signature file in Mail Message-ID: <1993Mar17.220633.13485@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 22:06:33 GMT How does one tell the NeXT Mailer to include the .signature file? I know I know, should be a simple question and answer, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. ******************************************************************** * John Burke * * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * jburke@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu ********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: Crontab editor Message-ID: <1993Mar17.165423.673@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <1993Mar16.215116.1834@gleap.jupnix.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 16:54:23 GMT In article <1993Mar16.215116.1834@gleap.jupnix.com> clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) writes: > Has anyone ever seen a gui which serves as a crontab editor? > -- Can't email because your address is bad. We have a cron system that picks up its crontab file from netinfo, does that count? You can use NetInfoManager to manage any crontab on the net (in any domain etc...). We're working on a better front-end to it, but NetInfoManager is better than none. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <7952@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 18 Mar 93 00:54:26 GMT References: <1993Mar16.235436.23236@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Distribution: usa In article <1993Mar16.235436.23236@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: ] In article <ijeff.732322106@cunews> ijeff@hank.carleton.ca ] (Ian Jefferson) writes: ] ] >>>Does anyone know of a grammer checker for NeXT? How about ] >>>in french? ^^^^^^^ ] ] >>Spelling checker too, while we're at it? ] ] >Ouch! ] ] >I've just gotta get my NeXT on the internet! Spell on the sun ] >dosn't cut it. ] ] I see what you mean. :-) Look at the program "diction" that comes with the NeXT (standard UN*X utility from the command line). -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) Subject: Re: Public Key Encryption - NeXTs RSA In-Reply-To: Charles William Swiger's message of Mon, 8 Mar 1993 14:39:35 -0500 Message-ID: <FISCHER.93Mar18020044@fibonacci.iesd.auc.dk> Sender: news@iesd.auc.dk (UseNet News) Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University References: <1993Feb26.192304.110622@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1993Mar6.212945.3708@bernina.ethz.ch> <1nfd92$e0s@imladris.cubetech.com> <Afau3r_00Voj4BhFBW@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 18 Mar 1993 01:00:44 GMT >>>>> "Charles" == Charles William Swiger (Charles) Charles> In the crypt() library call...which, among other things, is used to Charles> verify a user's password. (Try "man 3 crypt" -- it's somewhat Charles> interesting!) Yes, crypt() uses (a variation of) the DES standard to do one-way encryption of passwords. But this is not a 'cryptographic system' since it will not encode and decode an arbitrary message. crypt() does one-way encryption of N character strings (for some small N). There's no way to encrypt longer messages, and there's no way to get from the encrypted string to the original. It is therefor considered legal to export this function. The length of the password string and the number of iterations in the basic loop can be different for different systems, but all UNIX systems use the same algorithm. Now the crypt program (a.k.a. "man 1 crypt") is a 'cryptographic system' that uses a really bad algorithm (a variant of the Enigma method). Texts encrypted with crypt can be cracked with very little effort -- there is actually a PD tool that does this automagically. The algorithm has, of course, been published, and the implemention is trivial. Still, this program (source or binary) cannot legally be exported from the U.S.A. Hence, on a European UNIX box (NeXT or otherwise, we see orange$ crypt file crypt: command not found The same goes for DES and whatever. Since these algorithms are widely known, it's no big deal to implement them outside the US, and this has of course been done. Many such systems can be found, PD and otherwise, hence orange$ which des /home/local/bin/des The catch is, of course, that these systems cannot legally cross the U.S.A. border. Hence, US hardware vendors cannot legally include these programs with their machines outside the U.S.A., unless they add them as a separate packaged in the UK, say. Most vendors consider this too much trouble. Since there is no way this can be considered a security issue, the U.S.A. government must consider this a technical trade restriction that is to the advantage of the U.S.A -- note that non-U.S.A. companies are prevented from selling encryption systems in the U.S.A. This, and the fact that the U.S.A. government in general would like to reduce the use of encryption to a minimum. /Lars -- Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things. -- Calvin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bkr@drdhh.hanse.de (Bjoern Kriews) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar17.165550.5963@drdhh.hanse.de> Organization: Digital Island References: <1993Mar15.035514.8798@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <1993Mar15.164203.26867@bernina.ethz.ch> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 16:55:50 GMT flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) writes: >I believe it takes over 300% more performance to move a DPS Terminal-Window >than to OpaqueMove twm surrounded xterm. DPS is much more complex since >everything is vectors compred to bitmaps in X. Please correct me ... DPS windows are moved by simple bitmap-blitting. >Still. The Sparc LX and systems above have accelerated graphics (gx) that >should make NeXTSTEP/SPARC run pretty good. I often work with a Sparc-2 and if they implement NeXTStep Sparc as carefully as they did on the '040 is will be KILLER ! Bjoern -- bkr@drdhh.hanse.de - Bjoern Kriews - Stormsweg 6 - D-2000 Hamburg 76 - FRG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Subject: Re: Image Demo Now Available Message-ID: <C426zD.2MJ@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <C3xqCo.F8A@appsoft.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 00:35:37 GMT > It is a full working demo except that it does not save, > copy or print. Full documentation and sample files are > included. Also included is a copy of Calibrator, our > monitor calibration application. A full 13 Meg of fun, > so make lots of room on your disk.. Well, 13 meg until you compress all the .tiff files with lzw compression (cf. squeeze in tiff-utils on sonata), after which you have almost 6 meg. :) I like it! Michael Glenn (NeXTMail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER TO ED McCRACKEN - SGI PRESIDENT Message-ID: <1993Mar18.044836.4229@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <1o2ah2INN211@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 04:48:36 GMT In article <1o2ah2INN211@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > Dear Mr. McCracken, > > I am very troubled by SGI's recent decision to adopt Windows-NT based > versions of the MIPS hardware architecture. I am of the opinion that > Windows NT represents a mediocre step forward in technology, far less than > what I would expect from SGI. Although I understand your desire to enter the > PC market, I don't understand your motivations for adopting Windows NT, other > than it may make you some quick money. [lots deleted] NeXT licensed Renderman. Microsoft licensed the Silicon Graphics 3D engine. Perhaps this is a clue as to SGI's motivation. Microsoft continues to put money ahead of ideals by adopting C++. Birds of a feather flock together. The SGI engine I believe is much more oriented to interactive animation than is Renderman. I wonder what kind of effect this will have on the kinds of 3D applications that emerge on the two systems? -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <2BA80008.F6E@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <FISCHER.93Mar15233201@fibonacci.iesd.auc.dk> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 93 04:52:22 GMT Lars Peter Fischer writes > > >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Thomsen (thomsen@spf.trw.com) > > Mark> What I wonder is if the weak graphics performance of early > Mark> generation SPARC desktop systems have improved enough to support > Mark> the NeXTSTEP DPS-based GUI. > > Now, now. A black box and a (low end) Sun handles graphics in just > about the same way -- they have a dumb framebuffer and let the CPU do > the hard work. And while the SPARC might not be a killer compared to a > HP-PA, say, it's sure no slower than a 040 box. Actually the issue is not just CPU. It is CPU RAM bandwidth to VRAM and VRAM functionality that is local. The Brooktree RAMDAC (Bt463, as I recall) that NeXT used - the so-called "crayola chip" allowed snappier performance for some window server-intensive operations. Like dragging windows. This performance outside the CPU-cache circuits is important to imaging (vs. line-drawing) graphical user interface operations. I know the Banana 2000, uh, NeXTstation, is no faster than the SPARC 1+/2 models in the CPU area. The question really is after the raster end, and how well the GUI uses it for some of the perceived performance. This does not need much for answers - the rest of the thread provides some of the info I asked for. Just want to make sure I was clear, here. Mark R. Thomsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmeacham@world.std.com (James Meacham) Subject: Terminal Mail Readers? Message-ID: <C42Ko7.89H@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 05:31:18 GMT Hello! I am going out of town for a while, and need to set up my NeXT for dial in. I need a mail reader (like pine or elm) to do this with. Any suggestions for pre-compiled programs and where I might find them? Thanks in advance. James Meacham Andover Newton Theological School
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: koo@n5.math.umn.edu (Yonghoi Koo) Subject: How to install HP desketJet 500 to Next Turbo 3.0 Message-ID: <C42Jpy.GB1@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 05:10:20 GMT I got a HP desketJet 500 about 2 weeks ago to use for Next turbo 3.0. I tried to install the driver 'DeskJet_2.03' distributed by Mr. Terry Gliedt. First, I tried to set the computer to communicate with printer. I had failed in doing that even thought I did all the possible efforts. After that try, I just tried to install the printer driver 'DeskJet_2.03' in my machine, but everything I got after that try is that the printer manager was severely damaged. Whenever I clicked the printer menu in any software, it (the software itself) disappeared abruptely. I really like to know following two things 1. How I can set the computer to communicate with the printer. 2. what should I do to modify the driver 'DsskJet_2.03' for system 3.0.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Including .signature file in Mail Message-ID: <C42IC2.3qF@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Mar17.220633.13485@serval.net.wsu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 04:40:49 GMT In article <1993Mar17.220633.13485@serval.net.wsu.edu> jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) writes: > > How does one tell the NeXT Mailer to include the .signature file? I know > I know, should be a simple question and answer, but I can't seem to find > it anywhere. > You have to change the mailer in the expert preferences. Here's an example of the executable file that you should use. ------ #!/bin/sh { if test -r ${HOME}/.add-header; then cat ${HOME}/.add-header; fi cat - if test -r ${HOME}/.signature; then echo "--"; cat ${HOME}/.signature; fi }| /usr/lib/sendmail "$@" ------- This script will add header information from a file called .add-header if it exists and will add signature information if it exists. You also have to make some changes to the etc/sendmail/sendmail.cf. Actually it's only one change and that is to add the user name of the person (you) that wants to run a script to add information to the list of trusted users. It's a hole but if you are the only user on the machine (my machine) then it's no problem. If it's not a single user machine you have to really trust the user to do this. I wouldn't. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? References: <1993Mar10.165757.18173@epas.toronto.edu> Sender: gemoe@proximus.north.de Organization: Gerhard Moeller, German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg. Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 08:42:37 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar17.084237.3011@proximus.north.de> In article <1993Mar10.165757.18173@epas.toronto.edu> tagoldth@spine.med.utoronto.ca (Thomas A. Goldthorpe) writes: [...] > This is indeed funny, since I seem to remember that a good portion of > the NeXT stuff was developed on sun3's before they had thier own > hardware. I can't verify this (I'm sure someone can). If it really > is the case, then NeXT already even knows how to talk to most sun > devices, so that part would have been done ages ago. If anything, No, because the SUN3 uses a M68k and the SUN4 (SPARC) the SPARC Processor. As far as I know, it's pretty complicated to port stuff over to the SPARC-architecture, though it's brilliant. (If I just had payed more attention to that course at our uni ;-) ) > since the same old sun devices (plus a couple of new ones) still exist > on the sparc, NeXT would have an easy time of it. Besides, I would > like to see that hell of a new os (solaris, what a crock!) crushed. I Ask SUN how much money they spent on solaris. They won't support the port of NeXTSTEP, I'm pretty much sure. But without support of SUN's software engineers, NeXT couldn't do it. (I guess) Though I would love it. (At our uni we have mostly DEC and SUN...) G. -- +---------------------------< principiis obsta! >---------------------------+ N Gerhard Moeller, Teichstrasse 12, 2900 Oldenburg (FRG) [*: 02/21/1968] N e Private: gemoe@proximus.north.de Phone (voice): +49-441-75520 e X Uni: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE NeXTmail X T Z-Net: Gerhard.Moeller@uniol.zer encouraged! T +-> NoGeNUG - Northern German NeXT User Group: NoGeNUG@proximus.north.DE <-+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: ytalk problem In-Reply-To: cedman@princeton.edu's message of Wed, 17 Mar 1993 11:16:13 GMT To: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar17113736@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <weaverb.732322275@spot.Colorado.EDU> <CEDMAN.93Mar17071614@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:37:36 GMT In article <CEDMAN.93Mar17071614@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: Yes, I've fixed up ytalk a little bit, removed a few bugs and compiled it under 3.0. Under 2.x ytalk used to predictably cause system panics on closing. Fortunately this problem is gone now. (Who ever said all bug reports to NeXT are piped directly to /dev/null ?) For those who don't know, ytalk is a replacement for talk with several additional features: 1. ytalk talks both to ntalk (as shipped on NeXTs and most other UN*X systems) and otalk (as shipped on Suns). 2. ytalk has a conferencing mode which allows several people to participate in talk session. 3. ytalk also allows you to save conversations, does word-wrap and a few other minor but nice features. If anyone cares I can put it on orst and sonata. Due to the wide-spread interest I've uploaded a tarred and gzipped archive to both cs.orst.edu and sonata.cc.purdue.edu. Despite the problems which those two sites have been having lately the archives seem to have arrived just fine. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Shakespeare icon Message-ID: <1993Mar18.081635.4656@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Mar15.184129.17012@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1993Mar16.172948.11030@sunova.ssc.gov> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 08:16:35 GMT /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/Examples/IBTutorial/Images/willy.tiff really isn't a suitable replacement; it's 64x64 and has the wrong background. [Although it would be fine for Mail or NewsGrazer :-) ] -=EPS=- ------- begin 644 shakespeare-icon.tar.Z M'YV0+LBDD>."3AHS9@`H7,BPH<.'$"-*G$BQ(HB+-FC0``'@HD<8'#U>!-E1 MY$49-&)L!$'C1@P8-F3`J!'#AL<:-&MTK,BSI\^?0(,*'4JTJ-&C2),J5=JD M"0`5"Q$`2`#@'X`!"P,`T+I5(5:%6F&`U?JUJ]BM!JYF!5``;`6U8`$(`,L! M;M>Y6^>6U8HW0`0`!!;B)<`OP`7`@A46"+RTH9E\4"`:^/>/"I"''RA'@OB' M<KD@#@50_H?O<D/1E/,!@-!PP>A^D1L>>,V8X6S*_1`S/#':'Y#:"EU3U@>$ MZ\+;_WP[1.[.M.W>@``X9_OJG[I\TQ4F6-)/01&%K!<JF(;/!1^%P`T<"%>. MZO)WY^AE>#C[VC\_P!4^^'>,<G8`^VWBGT/[;4%9(`3^<\D_^B#8VC\B6)<? M``OD,\`_U;0E6SZ9E:-0$*`<E\X3_ZBR50#X9%4%(&ND`\`!KZ2HD`*E5/$! M.5O](B,`KMCCRS\XNK;C+WR(!LF%KV"C$&IO_!/=!_[@$EQOQ?WA#SP*9499 MBF7L\@LT"G6FSS^0!"#@/M$!T)D_\VWQSH`"5*=*+C^N\8X[K"UPBC]I=/:+ M.OO@<ID'JZBCBBJO_*@..9<]D.9J+WAC#2"7<=10/T<XI%5D!K0#$06-_10; M1'?\0P]$R('ID);_Y.909Z-E=^%H_ZBZT*RC8<G0?K3JNA"OHYW*$*N4\=/0 M#[2VVE"RE#&$*ZW/,>L<L:,!LQ"LR=K*+&7"5K6MJVIN:Y5"R&YK&K#)6@N@ MN*HBEZRNS](J;`#B=BNNL0J).ZZWVRZD[[7B+E0NL_X&G*_!\4*[KL'4*HPM MP>$&G#"TZ!+<,+07CQ:QN/3J^\\%'O\S<,C_*G2>7+PL:9H`_X7J\LLPQRSS MS#37;//-..>L\\X\]^SSST`'+?301!=M]-%()ZWTTDPW[?334$<M]=145VWU MU5AGK?767'?M]==@ARWVV&27;?;9:*>M]MILM^WVVW#'+??<=-=M]]UXYZWW +WGSW[???@`<N^-)@ ` end
From: walter@toolbox (Walter Wagener) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Astronomy software wanted! Keywords: STERNE Message-ID: <1993Mar13.233801.793@toolbox.north.de> Date: 13 Mar 93 23:38:01 GMT Article-I.D.: toolbox.1993Mar13.233801.793 References: <1993Feb25.001838.14802@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Sender: walter@toolbox.north.de Organization: Northern German NeXT User Group - NoGeNUG, Oldenburg, Germany In article <1993Feb25.001838.14802@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> pspiliop@iiic.ethz.ch (Panagiotis Spiliopoulos) writes: > I am looking for a software package that allows me calculate the movements/ > positions of the planets, including visualization. The programm should be able > to draw maps and c ontain useful information about different kinds of stellar > objects (stars, etc..). > There is a programm called "STERNE" made by Gerriet M. Denkmann You may use it and get a Democopy from CTH Computer Toolbox House GmbH Osterstr. 16 2900 Oldenburg Germany send email to comtool@toolbox.north.de Walter Wagener -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$U,S9<='@S,#<R7'1X-#8P.%QT M>#8Q-#1<='@W-C@P7'1X.3(Q-EQT>#$P-S4R7'1X,3(R.#A<='@Q,S@R-%QT M>#$U,S8P7&8P7&(P7&DP7'5L;F]N95QF<S,R7&9C,%QC9C`@26X@87)T:6-L M92`\,3DY,T9E8C(U+C`P,3@S."XQ-#@P,D!N97!T=6YE+FEN9BYE=&AZ+F-H M/B!P<W!I;&EO<$!I:6EC+F5T:'HN8V@@*%!A;F%G:6]T:7,@4W!I;&EO<&]U M;&]S*2!W<FET97,Z7`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`HR.3`P($]L9&5N M8G5R9UP*1V5R;6%N>5P*7`IS96YD(&5M86EL('1O(&-O;71O;VQ`=&]O;&)O ?>"YN;W)T:"YD95P*7`I786QT97(@5V%G96YE<@I]"F-O `
From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Good Renderman examples Message-ID: <1993Mar17.192624.1664@xexos.com> Date: 17 Mar 93 19:26:24 GMT Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) Has anyone done anything really good with Renderman under 3.0? I'm after some rib files that really show it off, rather than the lacklustre ones that come with the default system. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: tpg@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Terry Gliedt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How to install HP desketJet 500 to Next Turbo 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Mar18.140130.28193@rchland.ibm.com> Date: 18 Mar 93 14:01:30 GMT References: <C42Jpy.GB1@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM For NS 2.x there were two packages for the DeskJet printers, one from Derek and the other from Reimer Mueller (sp?). It seems there were lots of changes in NS 3.0 that affected the printing (especially DJ printing). If you have NS3 you should be using Reimer's package (djf_for_3.0.tar.Z at sonata, still in submissions I think). This worked flawlessly for me. Reimer did a good job integrating the two packages and supporting the US and non-US paper sizes etc. Terry Gliedt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wgilbert@fatou.UWaterloo.ca (William Gilbert) Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <C43B51.6BL@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: news@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca Organization: University of Waterloo References: <7952@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 15:02:59 GMT Douglas Scott writes > > Look at the program "diction" that comes with the NeXT (standard UN*X > utility from the command line). > If you put the following in a file .commanddict in your home directory then you can access "diction" in Edit by the menu Utiltities -> User Commands -> Diction or by Ctrl-Y. Style y style $file Diction Y diction $file Word Count W echo ' lines words characters'; wc $file [The form of the lines in .commanddict is: command name<Tab>command definition<Tab>keyboard alternative Look up commanddict in the Digital Librarian] Will Gilbert
From: rring@willamette.edu (Robert Ring) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Floating-point processor questions Summary: Please help!!! Message-ID: <C43EEn.63H@willamette.edu> Date: 18 Mar 93 16:13:34 GMT Article-I.D.: willamet.C43EEn.63H Followup-To: poster Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR Hello everyone. I'm not sure where to post these questions; apologies in advance for any wasted bandwidth. Floating-point processor questions: 1. What type of floating-point processor is in this NeXTstation Turbo on which I am writing this? The Workspace Manager says I'm running "System Release 2.2, Workspace Version 218.4, PostScript Version 2.2.56.6, Processor 33 MHz 68040, Memory 8.00MB, Disk 239MB" 2. How does one control the rounding direction of the floating-point processor? Can one control it at all? (I'm hoping one can, based on the fact that "man 3m math" and "man ieee" both refer to IEEE Standard 754 which requires that the rounding direction be specifiable. In fact, in "man 3m math" I find the following: IEEE STANDARD 754 Floating-Point Arithmetic: This standard is on its way to becoming more widely adopted than any other design for computer arithmetic. VLSI chips that conform to some version of that standard have been pro- duced by a host of manufacturers, among them ... Intel i8087, i80287 National Semiconductor 32081 Motorola 68881 Weitek WTL-1032, ... , -1165 Zilog Z8070 Western Electric (AT&T) WE32106. Also, I understand that the NeXTCubes used the Motorola 68882 chip for a floating-point processor.) Your assistance in this matter is *greatly* appreciated. Please give me your full name and organization affiliation when you reply so I can properly acknowledge your assistance in the documentation for this project. Replies via e-mail are preferred. Thanks again. Robert.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: herbert@ai.univie.ac.at (Herbert Wiklicky) Subject: Looking for Gnu BFD description of Mach-O file format Message-ID: <1993Mar18.163225.27843@ai.univie.ac.at> Sender: news@ai.univie.ac.at Organization: Dept.Medical Cybernetics&Artificial Intelligence,Univ.Vienna,Austria,Europe Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 16:32:25 GMT Does anybody know about a BFD version (back end) for the NeXT Mach-O object file format. It would be nice to have something like this for compiling the GNU binutils-2.x, gdb-4.8, gas-2.0 etc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dambruos@valiant.sc.us.adobe.com (Andy D'Ambruoso) Subject: NewsGrazer Message-ID: <1993Mar18.174628.2468@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 17:46:28 GMT Does anyone know how to get Newsgrazer to utilize a .sig file? Andy D'Ambruoso dambruoso@adobe.com -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P($1O97,@86YY;VYE M(&MN;W<@:&]W('1O(&=E="!.97=S9W)A>F5R('1O('5T:6QI>F4@82`N<VEG M(&9I;&4_7`I<"D%N9'D@1"=!;6)R=6]S;UP*9&%M8G)U;W-O0&%D;V)E+F-O $;0I]"F4_ `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skrbec@tophat4.rtsg.mot.com (Brad Skrbec) Subject: Re: Shakespeare icon Message-ID: <1993Mar18.135634.9513@rtsg.mot.com> Sender: news@rtsg.mot.com Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group References: <1993Mar16.172948.11030@sunova.ssc.gov> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 13:56:34 GMT In article <1993Mar16.172948.11030@sunova.ssc.gov> faught@berserk.ssc.gov (Ed Faught) writes: > In article <1993Mar15.184129.17012@bmerh85.bnr.ca> sircomp@bcarh90.bnr.ca > (Brian Magee) writes: > >Hi all: > > I just noticed that the .dir.tiff file in the /NextLibrary/ > >Literature/Shakespeare folder on my 3.0 CD is toast. > > Mine too! > -- You can replace it with the icon in: /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/Examples/IBTutorial/Images/willy.tiff -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brad Skrbec | "For it is the doom of men that they forget." | | Motorola Cellular | -- Merlin | | Arlington Heights, IL | Internet: skrbec@rtsg.mot.com | | | Home: brad@darby.chi.il.us | ------------------------------- NeXTMail Gladly Accepted ------------
From: andy@cs.caltech.edu (Andy Fyfe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: a suggestion Date: 18 Mar 1993 18:50:28 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1oag9kINN2ht@gap.caltech.edu> [I haven't seen this discussed, but I haven't had the time recently to read everything that's been posted.] Based on how I use my current machine at home (which is unix-based, but a little dated), I would want to do the following sorts of things: work on my CFD code, perhaps even needing f2c one day, make kermit for file transfers, and even make Downey's ephemeris program. That is, I'd need the compiler. However, I don't expect to become a developer per se (though that might change). So what do I actually need? The compiler and debugger are covered by the GPL, so they're available -- and I only need the native compiler. The libraries are shared, so they'll be included anyway. That leaves perhaps just the linker and the standard include files, neither of which will have the kind of investment in them that the ObjC tools have. (There's make, but there are source versions available. Ar might be needed as well. The startup routine. Anything else?) So my suggestion, then, is that a "basic compiler package" either be included with the basic NeXTSTEP (perhaps as an optional package), or be available for a far more modest price increment than what the full development system goes for. There's too much useful software available in source form not to have a compiler (which is mostly GNU anyway!). --Andy Fyfe andy@cs.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Announcing HRT News Message-ID: <1993Mar18.190113.5272@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 19:01:13 GMT Apologies everyone for posting an announcement here. I can't seem to get through at all to comp.sys.next.announce. - darcy News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For more information, contact: The Hutchison Avenue Software Corp. Neil Gilday 3478 Hutchison, Montreal, Qc, CANADA, H2X 2G4 Phone: (514) 499-2067 Fax: (514) 845-5236 Email: info@solutions.ca DowVision(TM) comes to NeXTSTEP MONTREAL, Canada. March 12, 1993 - Hutchison Avenue Software announced today HRT News, bringing Dow Jones' DowVision composite news feed to computers running NeXTSTEP. DowVision is a comprehensive information service that delivers customized business news and information provided by wires such as The Wall Street Journal (R), directly to desktop computers, allowing for broadcast distribution and interactive retrieval simultaneously over the same physical link, with Dow Jones' renowned accuracy and rapid delivery. HRT News is a family of products running on NeXTSTEP, giving users access to DowVision on personal workstations, or in a network environment. HRT News is composed of a database/network server, a client application, and a developer's kit. The server's database holds articles for 180 days (or more if you choose), and maintains full text indexes on headlines and article text so you can perform rapid word searches for historical searching and cross referencing. The server supports multiple clients on an ethernet network, supplying news retrieval as well as real-time headline broadcast for access to news as it happens. The client application allows for article profiling through the use of a powerful and customizable filtering engine, which means that you're not bothered by news that doesn't fit your definition of what's important. The client gives full access to keyword and metadata searches within the server's database, as well as point-and-click article retrieval. Since HRT News was designed and developed from scratch using NeXT's revolutionary NeXTSTEP (TM) object oriented environment, HRT News is a very dynamic and powerful environment for application developers. Developer's needing real-time news in mission critical applications can use the HRT NewsKit and have the full functionality of the HRT News client in their applications, with the addition of a single line of code. If developers need to get closer to the data, the HRT NewsKit provides three layers of abstraction, in order to supply the needed flexibility to get at the news, with minimal effort. HRT News will be available at the end of Q2, on any and all computers running NeXTSTEP. --- The Hutchison Avenue Software Corporation creates innovative applications helping financial and corporate customers manage today's vast amount of information. DowVision provides access to several news services: The Wall Street Journal (R), Dow Jones News Service (R), Dow Jones Professional Investor Report (SM) (PIR), Dow Jones International News Services, Capital Markets Report (SM) (CMR), and Federal Filings. The International News Services include: Dow Jones International Newswire (R), Dow Jones International Banking Wire (R), Dow Jones International Forex Wire (SM), European Corporate Report (ECR), World Equities Report (SM), and the Dow Jones International Petroleum Report (SM). Dow Jones News Service, Dow Jones Professional Investor Report, Capital Markets Report, Dow Jones International Forex Wire, World Equities Report, and Dow Jones International Petroleum Report are service marks of Dow Jones & Company, Inc. The Wall Street Journal (R), Dow Jones International Newswire (R), Dow Jones International Banking Wire (R), are registered trade marks of Dow Jones & Company, Inc. NeXTSTEP (TM) is a trademark of NeXT, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Announcing two new Digital Dictionaries Message-ID: <1993Mar18.190246.5400@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1993Mar18.190113.5272@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 19:02:46 GMT Apologies everyone for posting an announcement here. I can't seem to get through at all to comp.sys.next.announce. - darcy News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For more information, contact: The Hutchison Avenue Software Corp. Neil Gilday 3478 Hutchison, Montreal, Qc, CANADA, H2X 2G4 Phone: (514) 499-2067 Fax: (514) 845-5236 Email: info@solutions.ca New Digital Dictionaries for NeXTSTEP. MONTREAL, Canada. March 15, 1993 - Hutchison Avenue Software announced two new digital dictionaries for NeXTSTEP today, Barron's Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms, and the Oxford Reference Dictionary of Computing. These two reference works are similar to Digital Webster (TM), and provide features such as: intra-text graphics, user definable presentation font (the dictionary provides correct formatting in italic, small caps and bold text), hypertext links, three search modes (phrase matching, partial phrase matching, and text searching), entry history, and more. Both dictionaries appear under the Services menu, giving you fast and painless access to the reference works from other NeXTSTEP applications. These dictionaries can be used to supplement HRT News from Hutchison, or as standalone additions to your on-line digital library. Barron's Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms is available now, and the Oxford Dictionary of Computing Terms will be available midway through Q2. --- The Hutchison Avenue Software Corporation creates innovative applications helping financial and corporate customers manage today's vast amount of information. Barron's Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms is a best selling reference work by John Downes, and Jordan Elliot Goodman (Copyright (C), 1991, 1987, 1985, by Barron's Educational Series, Inc.) The Oxford Reference Dictionary of Computing covers everything from algorithms, to legal aspects of computing, and is by Valerie Illingworth, Edward L. Glaser, and I.C. Pyle (Copyright (C), 1990, 1986, 1983, by Market House Books, and is published by Oxford University Press, Inc.) NeXTSTEP (TM) and Digital Webster are trademarks of NeXT, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Announcing HRT Quotes Message-ID: <1993Mar18.190412.5545@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1993Mar18.190113.5272@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 19:04:12 GMT Apologies everyone for posting an announcement here. I can't seem to get through at all to comp.sys.next.announce. - darcy News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For more information, contact: The Hutchison Avenue Software Corp. Neil Gilday 3478 Hutchison, Montreal, Qc, CANADA, H2X 2G4 Phone: (514) 499-2067 Fax: (514) 845-5236 Email: info@solutions.ca Real-time market data for NeXTSTEP. MONTREAL, Canada. March 12, 1993 - Hutchison Avenue Software announced HRT Quotes today, a vendor-independent real-time market data system for NeXTSTEP. HRT Quotes is a family of products running on NeXTSTEP, with support for feeds from industry leaders such as Telerate, Knight-Ridder, Telekurs and PC Quote. The system is composed of a database/network server, a client application, and a developer's kit. Features of the HRT Quotes server include: 365 day tick history for all symbols, full on-line symbol directory allowing for search by company name, as well as ticker symbol, 56K baud feed handling, peak load handling of 1,400 messages per second, "line down" error handling, full ticker symbol database, user authorization, and LAN data distribution. The client application is a full-featured quotations application, giving the user access to user defined quote masks, multiple quotation windows, automatic save and restore of the current configuration, save and restore of multiple configuration files, which can be distributed by electronic mail, master configuration files, customizable field width, and titles in a quote masks, formatted numeric fields using commas and fractions, numeric strike prices, charting, dynamically updating option chains, dynamically updating most actives list, user-defined page quotes, options sorting, integration with Dow Jones' DowVision(TM) news, alerts for both threshold based, and conditional notification using visual, and audio alerts, and more. The absolute strength of the HRT Quotes system is its Objective C implementation. HRT Quotes has a developer's kit of Objective C objects, which effectively hide the developer from the idiosyncrasies of each vendor's data feed and take full advantage of the object oriented nature of NeXTSTEP. The developer is presented with a single paradigm for real-time market data, regardless of the underlying feed. Due to the dynamic nature of the HRT Quotes system, a developer can develop an application making use of real-time market data and deploy the application to a workgroup. The workgroup using this application can then choose the broadcast feed that most fits their needs, and use the already-deployed application. Moreover, if the workgroup wants to change the feed, it can be done without ever having to recompile the deployed application, or even having to consult with the developer. Needless to say, the kit's homogeneous interface to market data in combination with its dynamic objects leads to more powerful mission-critical applications and drastically reduced development time. HRT Quotes will be available at the end of Q2, on any and all computers running NeXTSTEP. The Hutchison Avenue Software Corporation is committed to handling data feeds from every major market data vendor. --- The Hutchison Avenue Software Corporation creates innovative applications helping financial and corporate customers manage today's vast amount of information. DowVision (TM), is a trademark of Dow Jones & Company. NeXTSTEP (TM) is a trademark of NeXT, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.periphs.scsi From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis) Subject: SCSI Diagnostic/Analysis Software? Message-ID: <1993Mar18.192841.23562@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 19:28:41 GMT Greetings, Does anyone know of an application that can monitor and log all activity on the NeXT's SCSI bus, preferably with the ability to filter certain target IDs? I'm trying to get a Panasonic LF-7010 Optical Drive working on my NSTC, but the drive and the NeXT's host adapter can't seem to agree on the commmand format; the drive keeps returning a check condition with an "illegal CDB entry" sense key. Thanks, Steve -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Steve Davis | sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov | | NASA, DL-DSD-32 | #include <disclaimer.h> | | Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899 | HSSC Mail: RDAVIS | | (407)867-7582 fax:(407)867-2173 | HSSC Phone: 633-5799 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: a suggestion Message-ID: <32738@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 18 Mar 93 20:47:24 GMT References: <1oag9kINN2ht@gap.caltech.edu> Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD In comp.sys.next.misc, andy@cs.caltech.edu (Andy Fyfe) writes: >So my suggestion, then, is that a "basic compiler package" either be >included with the basic NeXTSTEP (perhaps as an optional package), >or be available for a far more modest price increment than what the >full development system goes for. There's too much useful software >available in source form not to have a compiler (which is mostly GNU >anyway!). I too think NeXT should do this. I think there are a lot of PC users that would buy NeXTSTEP because it's a good Unix system that happens to also run NeXTSTEP application. But a UNIX system without a C compliler and the related development tools is almost worthless. And the price of the full NeXTSTEP development environment makes the system far too expensive compared to the other UNIX-on-PC options. Which means that many people wanting a Unix system on their PC won't buy NeXTSTEP - and that's the bigest problem with NeXTSTEP - not enough people are using it. I think it would be fine to charge extra for the complier package, but not the price required for the full NeXTSTEP development system. The idea would be to try and make NeXTSTEP grab a large chunk of that Unix-on-PC market. Curt Welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar18.185631.1102@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 References: <1993Mar16.235436.23236@macc.wisc.edu> <7952@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 18:56:31 GMT In <7952@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: >Look at the program "diction" that comes with the NeXT (standard UN*X utility >from the command line). I have tried diction and cannot understand why anyone would want to use it. It seems like a self-help project written by a techie whose boss criticized his writing. What we need is an attempt by a brilliant, graceful, and enjoyable writer to help the rest of us emulate his stylistic excellence, not a poor attempt to alert us to badly thought-out rules that, taken as a whole, would make our writing less distinctive and pleasant for the reader. Does anything of that quality exist? -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com Happy Man Corp. 206/463-9399 x101 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 fax x108 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info free; sample $20. Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kamis@bogey.itd.nrl.navy.mil (George Kamis) Subject: NeXT to Novell Message-ID: <C43wAv.Crt@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Keywords: Novell Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 22:40:06 GMT Does anyone have any experience in connecting a NeXT machine to Novell LAN? If so, could you please e-mail me directly. I am particularly interested in finding out how to setup e-mail connectivity (plain ASCII) with the PCs on the LAN. Specifically, what PC e-mail software can I use, do I need a protocol converter, etc ... Please excuse my ignorance, I am a NeXT/Mac person. Thanks in advance, George Kamis U.S. Naval Research Laboratory kamis@bogey.itd.nrl.navy.mil Information Technology Division Code 5544 202-767-5098 4555 Overlook Ave, S.W. Washington, DC 20375-5000
Newsgroups: comp.graphics.gnuplot,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Update of Gnuplot.app placed on archives Message-ID: <C4400x.Dso@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 00:00:32 GMT Howdy, I've placed the latest revision of my Gnuplot.app, 1.1, on sonata.cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu. It is currently in /pub/next/submissions at both sites. It now works with the latest release of Gnuplot (3.3 beta 10) and includes numerous bug fixes and new features, including contours and hidden line removal for surfaces. Note that it now requires NeXTSTEP 3.0. Here's the README: -----------------8<-------------8<--------------8<------------------ Welcome to the NeXTSTEP Front End for Gnuplot, a general purpose graphing and plotting application capable of plotting mathematical expressions or points from a data file, in 2 or 3 dimensions. This app is entirely self-contained and requires no prior installation or knowledge of Gnuplot. This version supports more Gnuplot features than previous versions and fixes many bugs. It is also based on Gnuplot 3.3, which is still in beta as of March 1993 but, in a 10th beta release, is very solid. (As soon as Gnuplot 3.3 is officially released, I will update this app with the latest sources.) Gnuplot.app adds NeXTSTEP features to Gnuplot, taking advantage of services, drag-n-drop, standard font and print panels, and inspectors. None of the original gnuplot source was changed for this app (aside from minor changes like renaming main() and adding a custom terminal type), so the app can be run from the Workspace as a NeXTSTEP app or the command line just as you would run the original command-line Gnuplot. This "dual-binary" eliminates the need to install two versions of Gnuplot. ** Note that Gnuplot.app now requires NeXTSTEP 3.0 ** The file package should have unpacked into a folder called Gnuplot which contains the following: Gnuplot.app -- The precompiled app INTRO -- An introduction NeXTSTEP -- The source for the app Original_3.3b10 -- Many of the files distributed with Gnuplot 3.3 are necessary for building the NeXTSTEP app, but they are included for completness. Gnuplot documentation and supporting files not pertaining to this app are here as well. Samples -- Some sample documents for the NeXTSTEP app The Gnuplot front end is provided in hope that it will be useful for something and with absolutely no warranty of any kind. Please see the Copying panel in the Info menu. Send questions, comments, bug reports, and suggestions to the address below. -----------------8<-------------8<--------------8<------------------ Have fun, Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah. Look up." NeXT Mail accepted --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar19.003552.13174@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993Mar16.235436.23236@macc.wisc.edu> <7952@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> <1993Mar18.185631.1102@Happy-Man.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 00:35:52 GMT In article <1993Mar18.185631.1102@Happy-Man.com> Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com writes: >I have tried diction and cannot understand why anyone would want to >use it. It seems like a self-help project written by a techie >whose boss criticized his writing. >What we need is an attempt by a brilliant, graceful, and enjoyable >writer to help the rest of us emulate his stylistic excellence, not >a poor attempt to alert us to badly thought-out rules that, taken >as a whole, would make our writing less distinctive and pleasant >for the reader. I will be happy to hire out as a contractor to anyone willing to pay a worthwhile wage for my highly experienced editorial services. I am not software; I am wetware! :-) Seriously, I think writing programs are *inherently* flawed. At best they can measure a few style-indicating features of a text and report those measures. This is not worthless, but it cannot address one of the most important issues, which lies right were Irving suggests: you need an editor (that's a kind of human being, please note) who will preserve and enhance what is distinctive and pleasant about your writing. *Every* good writer needs a good editor. It's an art, and the relationship between writer and editor is usually amazingly intimate wrt creative exchange. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: banning@well.sf.ca.us (Gary L. Banning) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT to Novell Keywords: Novell Message-ID: <banning.732501423@well.sf.ca.us> Date: 19 Mar 93 00:37:03 GMT References: <C43wAv.Crt@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link I too would be interedted in a NeXT to Novell connection. Running Novell 3.11 and NexTSTEP 3.0. PWe are obtaining a new mail sytem to run on the mainframe. PCs and MACS will connect through 3270 emulation. Can't recall the mail package name. Thanks. Gary banning@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: scan@beach.csulb.edu (So. Cal. NeXT Users Group) Subject: SCaN meeting on Tuesday 3/23 in LA Message-ID: <C445LA.I5w@csulb.edu> Keywords: User group, NeXTSTEP, Pages, Icons Sender: news@csulb.edu (News Administration/Rumor Bureau) Organization: Cal State Long Beach Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 02:00:45 GMT Southern California NeXTSTEP Users' Group (SCaN) Meeting Tuesday 23 March 1993, 6:30 p.m. California State University, Los Angeles Physical Sciences building, Room 158 (PS-158) Meeting: The planned events are as follows: -Demonstration of Pages by Susan Peterson of Pages -Demonstration of IconMaker by Tony Austin -Demonstration of ICONgallery by Madeline Bryan -Distribution of a new SCaNeWS newsletter -Discussion of NeXTWORLD Expo (May 25-27 in SF) -Discounts on NeXTSTEP Programming book There will be a social at 6:30 and meeting at 7:30. Dues: $2.00 For further information, contact: Mike Mahoney, SCaN President and CSULB Professor (310) 985-1550, e-mail: mahoney@csulb.edu Bob Desharnais, SCaN Vice-President and CSULA Professor (213) 343-2056, e-mail: bob@biol1next.calstatela.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) Subject: NS-486 24,32 bit color Message-ID: <1993Mar19.012604.339@eps.com> Sender: steve@eps.com Organization: Electronic Publishing Services Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 01:26:04 GMT Does anybody know if NS-486 will support 24 or 32 bit color ala ND. If so do you know what video board will support it. Also what would be a recommended platform. 486 DX50 eisa, or local bus etc.. Thanks Steve Kornreich email: steve@eps.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tagoldth@spine.med.utoronto.ca (Thomas A. Goldthorpe) Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Organization: University of Toronto Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 04:17:47 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar19.041747.20831@epas.toronto.edu> References: <1993Mar10.165757.18173@epas.toronto.edu> <1993Mar17.084237.3011@proximus.north.de> Sender: news@epas.toronto.edu (USENET) In article <1993Mar17.084237.3011@proximus.north.de> gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) writes: > >No, because the SUN3 uses a M68k and the SUN4 (SPARC) the SPARC Processor. >As far as I know, it's pretty complicated to port stuff over to the >(If I just had payed more attention to that course at our uni ;-) ) I am talking about device access, not processor architectures. I write device drivers for sun devices (I don't like some of the stock ones) and for my own devices. This code is mostly written in C, so it is independent of the processor architecture. There are minor differences due to some changes from kernelarch to kernelarch, but thats it! The code for the devices would therefore be done. I also do stuff for both 68xxx and sparc based machines, and well written drivers change little (if any) for either machine type. So my point still stands, NeXT already knows how to talk to standard sun devices, the processor has little to do with it (other than for kernel architecture related issues, which also are small in number and for most devices don't even come into play) tom 1
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Latest release of 3.0? and NeXT 1-800 numbers Date: 18 Mar 1993 21:13:42 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1obkq6INNp1l@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1o43csINNgot@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> NeXT has communicated to me that 3.1 will ship approximately 1-2 weeks after NeXTSTEP486 is announced on May 25. Oh boy! Sure hope the addition of Ushare to fix Appletalk works well. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Latest release of 3.0? and NeXT 1-800 numbers Message-ID: <1993Mar19.054120.18279@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1obkq6INNp1l@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 05:41:20 GMT In article <1obkq6INNp1l@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: > NeXT has communicated to me that 3.1 will ship approximately 1-2 > weeks after NeXTSTEP486 is announced on May 25. Oh boy! Will it finally fix the never-descending swapfile? -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) Subject: What is "Unified Unix" and why should I care? Message-ID: <1993Mar18.203331.18065@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Keywords: question unified unix Sender: ssircar@canon.com Organization: SPAMIT Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 20:33:31 GMT I'm sure these aren't the correct newsgroups, but they're the best I could find. If they're not the right place, I'd appreciate a hint as to what is the correct place. At any rate, I'm looking for a description, rumors, pointer to offical announcements, anything at all about "Unified Unix". Best of all would be a pointer to a group carrying an official announcement, or an e-mail address to which I could direct further queries. Please e-mail responses to ssircar@canon.com, as I doubt this is of general interest. Moreover, I'm not sure where followups should go, so if you do post, please cc: me at least. Thanks for your time. -- Subrata Sircar | ssircar@canon.com | Prophet & SPAMIT Charter Member Canon Information Systems and I do not speak for each other on all things. "I wish people wouldn't instantly assume that I am an idiot." (Valentine) "A restaurant is a whorehouse that does food instead of sex." (Roger Lustig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Including .signature file in Mail In-Reply-To: kent@infoserv.com's message of Thu, 18 Mar 1993 04:40:49 GMT To: kent@infoserv.com Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar18195816@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Mar17.220633.13485@serval.net.wsu.edu> <C42IC2.3qF@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 23:58:16 GMT In article <C42IC2.3qF@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: In article <1993Mar17.220633.13485@serval.net.wsu.edu> jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) writes: > > How does one tell the NeXT Mailer to include the .signature file? I know > I know, should be a simple question and answer, but I can't seem to find > it anywhere. > You have to change the mailer in the expert preferences. Here's an example of the executable file that you should use. ------ #!/bin/sh { if test -r ${HOME}/.add-header; then cat ${HOME}/.add-header; fi cat - if test -r ${HOME}/.signature; then echo "--"; cat ${HOME}/.signature; fi }| /usr/lib/sendmail "$@" ------- This script will add header information from a file called .add-header if it exists and will add signature information if it exists. You also have to make some changes to the etc/sendmail/sendmail.cf. Actually it's only one change and that is to add the user name of the person (you) that wants to run a script to add information to the list of trusted users. Why do you have to make that change ? I've used this script for months (actually, I _wrote_ this script and the corresponding FAQ entry from which you probably got it) and did not make any changes to sendmail.cf which relate to this question. I never experienced any problems. There is no reason to add any username to the 'T' line (not that that would be such a mind-boggling security hole if you did). Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Floating-point processor questions Message-ID: <C44FrI.504@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <C43EEn.63H@willamette.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 05:40:30 GMT In article <C43EEn.63H@willamette.edu> rring@willamette.edu (Robert Ring) writes: > Hello everyone. > > I'm not sure where to post these questions; apologies in advance for any > wasted bandwidth. > > Floating-point processor questions: > > 1. What type of floating-point processor is in this NeXTstation Turbo on > which I am writing this? The Workspace Manager says I'm running "System > Release 2.2, Workspace Version 218.4, PostScript Version 2.2.56.6, > Processor 33 MHz 68040, Memory 8.00MB, Disk 239MB" The '040 has built in floating point. The floating point unit is on the chip. > 2. How does one control the rounding direction of the floating-point > processor? Can one control it at all? (I'm hoping one can, based on > the fact that "man 3m math" and "man ieee" both refer to IEEE Standard > 754 which requires that the rounding direction be specifiable. In fact, > in "man 3m math" I find the following: I guess you could control it if you rewrite the libraries or something. > > IEEE STANDARD 754 Floating-Point Arithmetic: > > This standard is on its way to becoming more widely adopted > than any other design for computer arithmetic. VLSI chips > that conform to some version of that standard have been pro- > duced by a host of manufacturers, among them ... > Intel i8087, i80287 National Semiconductor 32081 > Motorola 68881 Weitek WTL-1032, ... , -1165 > Zilog Z8070 Western Electric (AT&T) WE32106. > > Also, I understand that the NeXTCubes used the Motorola 68882 chip for a > floating-point processor.) Only the original cubes, all others have the '040. > > Your assistance in this matter is *greatly* appreciated. Please give me > your full name and organization affiliation when you reply so I can properly > acknowledge your assistance in the documentation for this project. > > Replies via e-mail are preferred. > > Thanks again. > > Robert. -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */ -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: a suggestion Message-ID: <C44FwC.50v@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <32738@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 05:43:23 GMT In article <32738@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes: > I think it would be fine to charge extra for the complier package, but not > the price required for the full NeXTSTEP development system. The idea > would be to try and make NeXTSTEP grab a large chunk of that Unix-on-PC > market. > > Curt Welch You can get the same compiler that the NeXT uses for free. What you won't get is the nice NeXT developer tools for writing NS apps. The development stuff on the NeXT is more than just a compiler. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar19.152059.22893@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <7952@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 15:20:59 GMT In article <7952@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: > Look at the program "diction" that comes with the NeXT (standard UN*X utility > from the command line). And someone else, William Gilbert, suggested putting diction and style into your .commanddict. Thank you both. There are several things I find interesting about this. First, diction doesn't always seem to work (for me?). Sometimes it just returns "0 sentences", when it is clearly not an empty file. (Not always, sometimes even on the same file.) In fact, once I think I saw a "segmentation fault" error message after trying diction. On the other hand, style and diction seem to "just work" even if the file I apply them to is RTF. And, they also work (sort of) on TeX files! (There are some difficulties, as you would expect, with "\" tokens and with "%" comments.) Very nice! I forgive Ian his Sun-inspired "grammer" that started this thread. Dick Silbar
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Latest release of 3.0? and NeXT 1-800 numbers Date: 19 Mar 1993 15:44:31 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ocpovINNdlb@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1o43csINNgot@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> <1obkq6INNp1l@spock.dis.cccd.edu> In article <1obkq6INNp1l@spock.dis.cccd.edu>, maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: |> NeXT has communicated to me that 3.1 will ship approximately 1-2 |> weeks after NeXTSTEP486 is announced on May 25. Oh boy! |> Sure hope the addition of Ushare to fix Appletalk works well. |> |> maurices |> I thought they said Q3 in their announcement....Hey I hope this is true though...Some good news at last, or is this only a beta version of 3.1 john.
From: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Date: 19 Mar 1993 15:59:45 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1ocqlhINN4q0@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993Mar19.152059.22893@newshost.lanl.gov> In article <1993Mar19.152059.22893@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: > In article <7952@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas > Scott) writes: > There are several things I find interesting about this. First, diction > doesn't always seem to work (for me?). Sometimes it just returns "0 > sentences", when it is clearly not an empty file. (Not always, sometimes > even on the same file.) In fact, once I think I saw a "segmentation > fault" error message after trying diction. > Dick Silbar Make sure your file is saved. That diction command only works if the file is saved. If you wish to make the diction work on the current selection, instead of the save file, then change the .commanddict line: Diction Y diction $file to: Diction Y diction $selection -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "Don't ever put your brain on a runaway train 'cause it won't be coming back!" - Mad At The World.
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: a suggestion Message-ID: <32811@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 19 Mar 93 16:44:18 GMT References: <32738@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <C44FwC.50v@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD I wrote: >> I think it would be fine to charge extra for the complier package, but not >> the price required for the full NeXTSTEP development system. The idea >> would be to try and make NeXTSTEP grab a large chunk of that Unix-on-PC >> market. >> >> Curt Welch In comp.sys.next.misc, kent@infoserv.com writes: >You can get the same compiler that the NeXT uses for free. Right. You get to source for the gnu C compiler and then what? Compile it by hand? Sure, you can get a binary for the NeXT from somewere, but the user version of NeXTSTEP is missing a lot more than just the compler. There are no include files. There's no ld, as, nm, strip, make, man pages, /lib, etc. etc. I assume it's possible to piece all this together with stuff from the net, but most people won't bother. They will just buy one of the other Unix systems that comes with all the standard Unix development tools like SCO or BSDI etc. >What you won't >get is the nice NeXT developer tools for writing NS apps. The development >stuff on the NeXT is more than just a compiler. I know that. And I think the price NeXT charges for the full NeXTSTEP development system is fine. But most people won't pay that price if all they need is a Unix system. This was my point. I think if NeXT either includes the Unix development tools in the end-user version of NeXTSTEP, or adds it as an option, then they will be able to sell more NeXTSTEP systems without cutting into their sales of development or enduser systems. Curt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: April issue of Byte Magazine Message-ID: <1993Mar19.165736.17542@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 16:57:36 GMT I was just reading the cover article of this months Byte magazine, "Fighting Fatware." In a nutshell, the article is simply covering some key issues and points in how software has changed in the last 3-5 years with the release of larger operating systems. Windows, DOS, OS/2, Mac, and SCO Unix are mentioned systems. The article is well on track, covering some very real situations. First a user needed 4M ram, now a user needs 8 and so on and so on and so on. The last paragraph of the article tries to look toward the future for a solution. With this, the authors begin touching OOOS while discussing Taligent and Cairo. The following is re-printed w/o permission: "An Object-Oriented Future" Perhaps the most promising development is the coming of object-oriented operating systems (see "Objects for End Users," December 1992 BYTE). The upcoming Taligent operating system from Apple and IBM, along with Cairo from Microsoft, promises to save unnecessary code by providing the use with a series of object that can be purchased, enhanced, and linked together as necessary. I would like to know why the authors fail to mention NeXT at all. I am not concerned with their personal stand with NeXT or the industry. I am concerned with the fact that millions of readers look to magazines such as BYTE to learn. I thought it was simply the duty of magazines such as BYTE to inform and not to necessarily endorse or pick sides with the current conditions found in corporate america. (the point of my post is that they do not) I admit NeXT is by far the industry standard for many things. But, they are one of the most innovative software companies around today and from looking at the status of Taligent and Cairo, I would say NeXT is not far off target. Granted, someone may come along and improve on the mistakes of NeXT, but that is o.k. If someone makes a better OS, I will use it. But, right now, there is no other better user and/or developer environment. Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] DIR CIS, ARCI Inc. [Oracle/Sybase DBA] Phone: 606.254.4060 Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTmail] -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: anti-aliased texview? Message-ID: <tlm.732555971@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Mar15.182719.27410@adobe.com> <1993Mar16.214827.27239@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <SOWA.93Mar17112659@amdew.llnl.gov> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 15:46:11 GMT In <SOWA.93Mar17112659@amdew.llnl.gov> sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) writes: >>>>>> "Glenn" == Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome <gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu> writes: >Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes >> Anti-aliasing really only makes sense in two contexts (and some >> variations of each) - preview [...] and video. >Glenn> TeXView IS a previewer. A TeX file previewer. >Glenn> Also, it uses bitmapped fonts rather than PS fonts designed to be >Glenn> displayed at low resolution, so the fonts are TERRIBLY aliased at screen >Glenn> resolutions. >You *can* use PS fonts with TeXview. It's dead easy if you don't care >about math mode (for math mode you need to buy more fonts, but other >than that it is still dead easy). Naturally, PS fonts look rather nice >in the previewer. Glenn: I am not sure if I understand your comment. The bitmapped fonts TeXview uses for screen display are specifically *designed* for the resolution at which they are used. That's the whole point of Metafont, it makes bitmapped versions of fonts at specific resolutions. If you are finding the fonts "TERRIBLY aliased" at screen resolutions then bring up your TeXview Preferences panel and click the "Generate Fonts as needed" button (and save the Preferences) and TeXview will automatically invoke MF when it needs a font at a screen resolution. This means TV will run slower for a while (it takes 1-2 mnutes to make the average font) but once that font is created you have it forever and TV will soon return to its normal speedy self. You can indeed use PS fonts with TeXview, and can even get PS versions of the tex fonts (which I highly recommend) but the on screen resolution will not be appreciably better. In fact, at small resolutions it will probably be *worse* because the on-screen font is attained by linear scaling as opposed to Metafonts resolution specific design of the bitmap. Under TeXview 2.0 PS fonts were *definitely* worse in appearance than bitmapped ones, but that was becuse there was a tiny little bug which we came across that corrupted PS fonts slightly (basically a rounding error). It's been squashed and now there is no great difference 'tween PS and bitmap fonts. If anyone is feels strongly that the on screen TeX fonts are too hard to read I suggest you check out the LucidaBright + Lucida NewMath fonts from Y & Y software. They're a complete replacement for the Computer Modern fonts and are much more readable at low resolutions such as you get on the screen. Hope this is Helpful --- tom
From: rring@willamette.edu (Robert Ring) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Floating-point processor questions -- Thank you!!! Message-ID: <C45E3H.J8J@willamette.edu> Date: 19 Mar 93 18:02:04 GMT Article-I.D.: willamet.C45E3H.J8J Followup-To: poster Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR Hello again. I just wanted to thank everybody who answered my questions about the NeXT's floating-point processor and let those of you who may be in the process of answering my questions that I have received the information I needed. --Robert.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Re: April issue of Byte Magazine Message-ID: <1993Mar19.185336.19440@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass References: <1993Mar19.165736.17542@kynug.org> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 18:53:36 GMT Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> writes > I would like to know why the authors fail to mention NeXT at all. I am > not concerned with their personal stand with NeXT or the industry. I am > concerned with the fact that millions of readers look to magazines such as > BYTE to learn. I thought it was simply the duty of magazines such as BYTE > to inform and not to necessarily endorse or pick sides with the current > conditions found in corporate america. (the point of my post is that they > do not) > > I admit NeXT is by far the industry standard for many things. But, they > are one of the most innovative software companies around today and from > looking at the status of Taligent and Cairo, I would say NeXT is not far > off target. Granted, someone may come along and improve on the mistakes > of NeXT, but that is o.k. If someone makes a better OS, I will use it. > But, right now, there is no other better user and/or developer environment. > Neil did you think about contacting Byte and asking them? -- Robert John Andersen (919) 460-3285 (v,w) andersen@reality.glv.com - NeXT mail! "The only limit to impossibility is imagination or lack of. Nothing is impossible given knowledge and time. Impossibility is a relative term." - "Impossibilities? Impossible!"
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NeXT Public Statement on the Uniforum/UNIX Unification Announcements Message-ID: <7097@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 19 Mar 93 18:47:31 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc NeXT Public Statement on the Uniforum/UNIX Unification Announcements UNIX LEADERS ANNOUNCE COMMON OPEN SOFTWARE ENVIRONMENT (COSE) "SAN FRANCISCO (MARCH 17) BUSINESS WIRE - Worldwide UNIX system leaders Hewlett-Packard Co., IBM Corp., The Santa Cruz Operation Inc., Sun Microsystems Inc., Univel and UNIX System Laboratories Inc. Wednesday announced their intent to deliver a common open software environment across their UNIX system platforms...." NeXT applauds efforts driven by HP and IBM to begin to unify core elements of the Unix operating system. NeXT has been and will continue to follow these developments closely. We actively endorse these efforts, particularly the goal of creating a common, portable API layer. We have an engineering team evaluating how a future version of NeXTSTEP could support this layer, and how NeXTSTEP's leadership in object-oriented systems might add value to emerging Unix API standards. "Besides challenging Microsoft, the new Unix alliance deals a serious blow to the already reeling NeXT Inc., led by Steven P. Jobs. Mr. Jobs, who last month abandoned his computer business in favor of pushing NeXT's operating program, has been scrambling to win the support of Sun, H-P, Novell and others.... "Edward Zander, chief of Sun's software unit, said the alliance decided to reject Mr. Jobs' software and embrace a set of specifications, called an interface, that will make applications written for any variant of Unix look and work the same to a customer. "We never considered NeXT ...because their software never developed a big enough following," Mr. Zander said. Sun's comments about NeXT and NeXTSTEP are completely inaccurate. Indeed, beyond defining how NeXTSTEP can add value to these emerging standards, NeXT is also working closely with individual members of the new Unix coalition.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: WordPerfect Announces WordPerfect For NeXTSTEP (Interim release 1.01) Message-ID: <7100@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 19 Mar 93 19:10:46 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Paul D. Eddington WordPerfect Corporation (801) 228-5006 WORDPERFECT CORPORATION ANNOUNCES WORDPERFECT FOR NeXT INTERIM RELEASE WordPerfect 1.01 for NeXT will Support NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors Orem, Utah - March 16, 1993 - WordPerfect Corporation today announced plans to include support for NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors in the upcoming interim release of WordPerfect 1.01 for NeXT. The interim release will be available concurrent with the release of NeXTSTEP for Intel processors which is scheduled to ship on May 25, 1993. "With this interim release, our intent is to update WordPerfect's NeXTSTEP and Intel support," said Gordon Mella, UNIX product marketing manager at WordPerfect Corporation. "NeXTSTEP for Intel processors offers software developers new opportunities to improve on existing software products. We want to capitalize on those opportunities and provide the latest word processing technology for our NeXT users." The WordPerfect for NeXT interim release will not affect the current version number (1.01), but it will include two key new features that take advantage of NeXTSTEP 3.0 technology. WordPerfect for NeXT's new drag and drop feature allows users to move blocks of text and graphics with a mouse. The interim release will also include the Integrated Help System for quicker, easier on-line help. "Productivity software is an important component of NeXT's strategy to provide a client environment that fully integrates shrink wrapped applications with custom applications and legacy systems," said Julie Saffren, NeXT developer advocate. "We are very pleased that WordPerfect Corporation plans to continue to support NeXTSTEP customers with current and next generation products." "The new development does not change WordPerfect Corporation's commitment to continue development on a future version of WordPerfect for NeXT that will be feature and file compatible with its DOS and Windows counterparts," Mella said. WordPerfect Corporation, founded in 1979, is headquartered in Orem, Utah. The privately held company manufactures business software to help people process, share and present information across a wide variety of computer operating systems. Among the company's key products are the world's best-selling word processor, WordPerfect, as well as WordPerfect Office and WordPerfect Presentations. Recognized for its leadership in providing outstanding customer support, WordPerfect Corporation is represented throughout the world by 50 international affiliates serving 106 countries with products in 27 languages. WordPerfect is a registered trademark of WordPerfect Corporation. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT Computer.
From: Alex Raftis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar19.193400.189340@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 19 Mar 93 19:34:00 GMT References: <1993Mar17.183406.14095@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Joe Freeman writes >In article <lqcs6iINNqmr@langtry.cs.utexas.edu> jdawson@cs.utexas.edu (John Dawson) writes: >>Grasshopper is now enlightened. This answers another question I had for >>the longest time: namely, why in the WORLD does NeXTSTEP not support >>one-bit windows, when Display PostScript clearly supports one-bit >>devices. That pesky alpha component ... > >I would imagine that the one bit windows would look like crud. >As for 8 bit. I believe there is already support for 8 bit >gray scale. > Actually, on one of the mono Sun's we have at my school I tried running Motif with basically a NeXTstep color scheme. It came out looking pretty good, assuming you stick with just four colors. Pictures, when halftoned at the resolution wouldn't look very good, but appearance would certainly improve with the use of a Floyd-Steinberg ditherizing algorhithm, but I'm not sure how well PostScript would work with such a beast. Alex -- ______________________________________________________ Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
From: Alex Raftis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More Bad News: WSJ Message-ID: <1993Mar19.194131.192645@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 19 Mar 93 19:41:31 GMT References: <1993Mar17.175555.587@proforma.com> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo J. G. Gregory writes >The Wall Street Journal today (17-Mar-93) reported that Peter Van >Cuylenberg, president of NeXT, resigned. This came as an aside in an >article entitled "UNIX Program's Suppliers Adopt Joint Approach", >where it was mentioned that NeXTStep was passed over in a bid to >"unify UNIX". Curiously, the article does not mention OSF or Mach. I've been following the various debates about the new "unified UNIX", and I don't think that NeXT has much to worry about. About the only way UNIX will ever manage to become unified is if an independent developer makes the OS, not the hardware companies, and NeXT is in a good position to be the independent developer. The only source I can give for this opinion is that in the four years I've been in college, I've seen a number of attempts at a unified UNIX interface, and all of those have fallen apart, thus far. The closest success has been the POSIX standard, which quite a few manufacturers have followed. Then again, most companies have also added their own extensions, so if you limit yourself to just POSIX, you're okay, but most developers will need to take advantage of a machine's special hardware to get the edge needed to sell their software. NeXTstep tends to be the best solution to this problem, in my opinion, if just because things are pretty well abstracted with the RenderMan, PostScript, and SoundKit models. The objects are made to take advantage of what's there without too many limitations of hardware handed down to the user level. The only real limitation is that you've got a have fairly fast hardware to support the abstractions. Now, if NeXT can just get those ports out into the market place and sell them. Alex -- ______________________________________________________ Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
From: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mips,comp.sys.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sequent Subject: CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS: Navy SciViz/VR Seminar Message-ID: <32858@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 19 Mar 93 20:19:40 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.mips Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NAVY SCIENTIFIC VISUALIZATION AND VIRTUAL REALITY SEMINAR Tuesday, June 22, 1993 Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (formerly the David Taylor Research Center) Bethesda, Maryland SPONSOR: NESS (Navy Engineering Software System) is sponsoring a one-day Navy Scientific Visualization and Virtual Reality Seminar. The purpose of the seminar is to present and exchange information for Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality programs, research, developments, and applications. PRESENTATIONS: Presentations are solicited on all aspects of Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality. All current work, works-in-progress, and proposed work by Navy organizations will be considered. Four types of presentations are available. 1. Regular presentation: 20-30 minutes in length 2. Short presentation: 10 minutes in length 3. Video presentation: a stand-alone videotape (author need not attend the seminar) 4. Scientific visualization or virtual reality demonstration (BYOH) Accepted presentations will not be published in any proceedings, however, viewgraphs and other materials will be reproduced for seminar attendees. ABSTRACTS: Authors should submit a one page abstract and/or videotape to: Robert Lipman Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division Code 2042 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 VOICE (301) 227-3618; FAX (301) 227-5753 E-MAIL lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil Authors should include the type of presentation, their affiliations, addresses, telephone and FAX numbers, and addresses. Multi-author papers should designate one point of contact. DEADLINES: The abstact submission deadline is April 30, 1993. Notification of acceptance will be sent by May 14, 1993. Materials for reproduction must be received by June 1, 1993. For further information, contact Robert Lipman at the above address. PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE, THANKS. Robert Lipman | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil David Taylor Model Basin - CDNSWC | or: lip@ocean.dt.navy.mil Computational Signatures and | Voicenet: (301) 227-3618 Structures Group, Code 2042 | Factsnet: (301) 227-5753 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 | Phishnet: stockings@long.legs The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: cylinder@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Cylinder) Subject: NeXT .snd ---> Mac sound ??? Message-ID: <1993Mar19.194510.19080@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 19:45:10 GMT Does anyone know how to convert a NeXT sound to a Macintosh? I've tried SndExtractor, but it doesn't work. Please respond with any ideas or solutions. raven@santafe.edu -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cylinder: The International Society for the Philosophy of Tools and Space P.O. Box 521 Iowa City, IA 52244 email: cylinder@santafe.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) Subject: Re: April issue of Byte Magazine Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Mar19.202449.72318@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 20:24:49 GMT References: <1993Mar19.165736.17542@kynug.org> Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 In article <1993Mar19.165736.17542@kynug.org> Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> writes: > I was just reading the cover article of this months Byte magazine, > "Fighting Fatware." In a nutshell, the article is simply covering some > key issues and points in how software has changed in the last 3-5 years > with the release of larger operating systems. Windows, DOS, OS/2, Mac, > and SCO Unix are mentioned systems. > The last paragraph of the article tries to look toward the future for a > solution. With this, the authors begin touching OOOS while discussing > Taligent and Cairo. > > I would like to know why the authors fail to mention NeXT at all. I let my subscription to Byte run out recently. They have earned it.
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: April issue of Byte Magazine Date: 19 Mar 1993 21:12:18 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1odcviINNmb0@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Mar19.165736.17542@kynug.org> In article <1993Mar19.165736.17542@kynug.org>, neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) writes: |> I was just reading the cover article of this months Byte magazine, |> "Fighting Fatware." In a nutshell, the article is simply covering some |> key issues and points in how software has changed in the last 3-5 years |> with the release of larger operating systems. Windows, DOS, OS/2, Mac, |> and SCO Unix are mentioned systems. The article is well on track, |> covering some very real situations. First a user needed 4M ram, now a |> user needs 8 and so on and so on and so on. |> |> The last paragraph of the article tries to look toward the future for a |> solution. With this, the authors begin touching OOOS while discussing |> Taligent and Cairo. |> |> The following is re-printed w/o permission: |> |> "An Object-Oriented Future" |> Perhaps the most promising development is the coming of object-oriented |> operating systems (see "Objects for End Users," December 1992 BYTE). The |> upcoming Taligent operating system from Apple and IBM, along with Cairo |> from Microsoft, promises to save unnecessary code by providing the use |> with a series of object that can be purchased, enhanced, and linked |> together as necessary. |> |> I would like to know why the authors fail to mention NeXT at all. I am |> not concerned with their personal stand with NeXT or the industry. I am |> concerned with the fact that millions of readers look to magazines such as |> BYTE to learn. I thought it was simply the duty of magazines such as BYTE |> to inform and not to necessarily endorse or pick sides with the current |> conditions found in corporate america. (the point of my post is that they |> do not) |> |> I admit NeXT is by far the industry standard for many things. But, they |> are one of the most innovative software companies around today and from |> looking at the status of Taligent and Cairo, I would say NeXT is not far |> off target. Granted, someone may come along and improve on the mistakes |> of NeXT, but that is o.k. If someone makes a better OS, I will use it. |> But, right now, there is no other better user and/or developer environment. |> |> Neil Greene |> President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. |> President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] |> DIR CIS, ARCI Inc. [Oracle/Sybase DBA] |> Phone: 606.254.4060 |> Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTmail] |> -- |> Neil Greene |> President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. |> Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail] Unfortunatly in my opinon BYTE has sunk to the relms of just another PC magazine with the occasional reference to other systems so that they can justify their clame to be a small systems magazine. Now it only gets covered if it has a X86 in it. well with the odd Mac. Personaly I have realy gone off BYTE as a magazine, if you hadn't already figured that out. john.
From: dayne@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect Announces WordPerfect For NeXTSTEP (Interim release 1.01) Date: 19 Mar 1993 21:19:11 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Message-ID: <1oddcfINNl7d@shelley.u.washington.edu> References: <7100@rosie.NeXT.COM> [WordPerfect Corp. announcement deleted] Good! (Great?!) At least we'll have *one* word processor available on NeXTSTEP for Intel day-of-release. (Text editors, page-layout apps and the like don't count; I want full-blown manipulation of _language_, not just characters and objects.) Now where the hell is Appsoft Write?! Will it or will it not be ready and shipping (and usable i.e. relatively bug-free for a 1.0 release) on May 25? Hello Appsoft? How about a statement? I'd rather have Write than Wordperfect (based totally on hype, mind), but I'll take what I can get soonest. And whatever happened to that port of Nisus? -Dayne "In the beginning was the Word. Then came the f**king word processor. Then the thought processor. Then the death of literature. And so it goes." -Martin Silenus, fr. "The Poet's Tale" in Dan Simmons' _Hyperion_
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Message-ID: <1993Mar19.213053.16386@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Mar19.193400.189340@zeus.calpoly.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 21:30:53 GMT Alex Raftis writes > Actually, on one of the mono Sun's we have at my school I tried > running Motif with basically a NeXTstep color scheme. It came out > looking pretty good, assuming you stick with just four colors. > Pictures, when halftoned at the resolution wouldn't look very good, > but appearance would certainly improve with the use of a > Floyd-Steinberg ditherizing algorhithm, but I'm not sure how well > PostScript would work with such a beast. While error diffusion would get better results for certain kinds of images, I doubt many people would say that the results would be enough better to put up with the severely lowered performance. Error diffusion also applies only when the source data is not constant. Using error diffusion to dither a large solid color rectangle would produce poor results. I don't think using an error diffusion algorithm would be a good idea for user interface elements (except icons). -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Hot Technologies Introduces Distributed Serial Port Kit Message-ID: <7104@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 19 Mar 93 20:57:54 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software News: CONTACT INFORMATION: Contact: Robert La Ferla Telephone: (617) 252 0088 or + 1 617 252 0088 Internet: info@hot.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE HOT TECHNOLOGIES INTRODUCES DISTRIBUTED SERIAL PORT KIT An Innovative Client-Server Paradigm for Serial Communications March 22, 1993 BOSTON - Hot Technologies today introduced a comprehensive object library and palette for client - server control of serial peripherals in custom NeXTSTEP(R) applications. The SerialPortKit(TM) is designed to help organizations and developers control a variety of serial devices such as modems, printers, terminals, audio/video equipment, bar code readers, magnetic stripe card readers, controllers and data acquisition devices. The advanced distributed architecture of the SerialPortKit allows a client application to remotely access serial devices anywhere on a network. An organization can use the SerialPortKit to share dial-out modems in a department whether the modems are located in the same building or halfway across the world. Organizations can easily incorporate the SerialPortKit into their custom applications due to its professionally designed and truly object-oriented programming interface. The included Interface Builder(TM) palette, source code examples and on-line reference manuals further removes the tedious task of traditional serial port programming. Reliability and robustness add to the sophistication of the SerialPortKit. The serial port server technology utilizes multiple threads of execution and tri-state buffering for optimal speed and efficiency in a network environment. Other features include asynchronous and synchronous communications including automatic data forwarding, automatic port locking which allows other software to share the serial ports, and built-in network data security. SerialPortKit joins Hot Technologies' BarCodeKit, a comprehensive object library for generating bar codes. By combining the power of object-orientation and PostScript into a comprehensive library of international standard bar code symbologies, BarCodeKit represents the state of the art in bar coding technology. Availability and Pricing Both the SerialPortKit and BarCodeKit are available now for NeXTSTEP 3.0 directly from Hot Technologies. Customers who purchase either kit before July 1, 1993 are eligible for a free upgrade to the NeXTSTEP for Intel(R) Processors version. In addition, developers who have purchased other serial communication objects prior to March 1, 1993 can upgrade to the SerialPortKit for $49.95 plus proof of purchase. Hot Technologies develops, markets and supports component software and hardware that allows organizations to construct automated solutions for increased productivity. Hot Technologies is headquartered at 75 Cambridge Parkway, Suite E-504, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02142-1238 USA. Call Hot Technologies at + 1 617 252 0088 for further information or for a copy of the company's brochures. Hot Technologies, SerialPortKit, and BarCodeKit are trademarks of Hot Technologies. NeXTSTEP and Interface Builder are trademarks of NeXT Inc. Intel is a registered trademark of Intel Corporation.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Wormhole/Liveware/Todd Nathan status? Message-ID: <1993Mar19.222605.2389@venice.sedd.trw.com> Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 22:26:05 GMT Has anyone heard from Todd Nathan of Liveware lately? I'm one of the beta testers for Todd Nathan's Wormhole dock extender and have been unable to reach him. This wouldn't be a big deal except that even the beta has a time expired usage lock which has long since expired. I've looked at other dock extenders but (of course) this one has the features that I've grown to like. Call me another innocent victim of copy protection! Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Mail.app died, will not run from icon. Message-ID: <1993Mar19.210235.9373@serval.net.wsu.edu> Date: 19 Mar 93 21:02:35 GMT Article-I.D.: serval.1993Mar19.210235.9373 Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Distribution: na Organization: Washington State University My NeXT seems to be having one of those days. I can't seem to get the Mail.App to work from the Icon on the DOCK. I can run mail from the csh prompt just fine, but then I try to use the Icon, it flashes, then returns to the dock with the 3 periods on it. Running it from the File Viewer does the same thing. I have several users on my machine. All of their accounts, including Root, work just fine from the Icon, however, mine does not. Is this a file permission problem? Can someone help me out? Thanks! By the way, Carl Edman,,, You seem to know what you're talking about, at least from reading your latest post I think you do. Anyway, I tried to reply to your note, but I can't cause Mailer won't frigging let me! -- *********************************************************************** * John Burke * * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * jburke@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu * ***********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Re: a suggestion Message-ID: <C44Cuz.15v@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. References: <32738@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 04:37:46 GMT In article <32738@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes: [munch] > And the price of the full NeXTSTEP development environment makes the > system far too expensive compared to the other UNIX-on-PC options. > Which means that many people wanting a Unix system on their PC won't > buy NeXTSTEP - and that's the bigest problem with NeXTSTEP - not enough > people are using it. > [munch] > Curt Welch Huh? Have you ever priced SCO Unix for the PC? How about Solaris? NS is VERY cheap for a complete Unix, and the extra $1000 for the developer stuff is just fine. The average user has no use for a compiler. The compiler *alone* for Solaris costs $1,795. I think that *might* include a window "painter". And who the hell wants to muck with X? Even compared to Windows NT it is only a bit more expensive. Win NT $150 C/C++ dev kit $500 (if you choose a high performance compiler like Watcom make that $800) Screen Painter $500 And you still do not get Display PS and all the Unix goodies. -- Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com Watershed Technologies -- Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@pars.skidmore.edu (Operator) Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER TO ED McCRACKEN - SGI PRESIDENT Message-ID: <1993Mar19.165438.3642@scott.skidmore.edu> Sender: news@scott.skidmore.edu (news manager) Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY References: <1o2ah2INN211@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 16:54:38 GMT Following up on a previous note from another netter.... This is an EXCELLENT time for SGI to gear up the promotion of its Indigo and sound related software. Those of us in the computer music community are now looking for a platform to do further development work on. I think the Indigo was introduced as a direct competitor to the NeXT. If I remember the Indigo specs, it does have a DSP (motorla 56001 ?) AND has higher quality AD-DA, no ? Imagine NeXTstep running on this machine.....we can all port over our Apps etc. with little trouble. Reactions ? Anthony Holland Skidmore College
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: rth@netcom.com (Robert Hughes) Subject: Re: NeXT .snd ---> Mac sound ??? Message-ID: <1993Mar19.232053.236@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Mar19.194510.19080@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 23:20:53 GMT cylinder@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Cylinder) writes: >Does anyone know how to convert a NeXT sound to a Macintosh? This from the documentation file for SoundHack: SoundHack can now read and write the following formats: Sound Designer II, Audio IFF, IRCAM, DSP Designer and NeXT .snd (or Sun .au). It can read (but not write) raw data files. It can read and write 8-bit 5Law, 8-bit linear, 32-bit floating point and 16-bit linear data encoding. This program only works on Mac II and above machines! That is: you need a 68020 + 68881, a 68030 + 68882 or a 68040. Copywrite 1992 Tom Erbe Center for Contemporary Music Mills College Oakland, CA 94613 tom@mills.edu
From: Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: April issue of Byte Magazine Date: 19 Mar 1993 23:52:58 GMT Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1odmcr$adc@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <1odcviINNmb0@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <1odcviINNmb0@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: > Unfortunatly in my opinon BYTE has sunk to the relms of just another PC magazine > with the occasional reference to other systems so that they can justify their > clame to be a small systems magazine. Now it only gets covered if it has a X86 > in it. well with the odd Mac. Personaly I have realy gone off BYTE as a > magazine, if you hadn't already figured that out. > > john. Ditto! I, too, let my subscription run out and will NOT renew. -- Tim Pugh College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University tpugh@oce.orst.edu NeXTmail ok!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: NewsGrazer Message-ID: <1993Mar19.123747.2066@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Mar18.174628.2468@adobe.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 12:37:47 GMT In article <1993Mar18.174628.2468@adobe.com> dambruos@valiant.sc.us.adobe.com (Andy D'Ambruoso) writes: > Does anyone know how to get Newsgrazer to utilize a .sig file? > > Andy D'Ambruoso > dambruoso@adobe.com The preferences panel has a check box for using a .signature but I turn it off because when the posting happens another copy of the.signature is added by CNews possibly. -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R=&)L.UQR960P7&=R965N,%QB;'5E M,#M]"EQP87)D7'1X,3$U,EQT>#(S,#1<='@S-#4V7'1X-#8P.%QT>#4W-C!< M='@V.3$R7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DR,39<='@Q,#,V.%QT>#$Q-3(P7&8P7&(P7&DP M7'5L;F]N95QF<S(T7&9C,%QC9C`@26X@87)T:6-L92`\,3DY,TUA<C$X+C$W M-#8R."XR-#8X0&%D;V)E+F-O;3X@9&%M8G)U;W-`=F%L:6%N="YS8RYU<RYA M9&]B92YC;VT@*$%N9'D@1"=!;6)R=6]S;RD@=W)I=&5S.EP*"EQP87)D7'1X M,%QT>#$Q-#!<='@R,S`P7'1X,S0T,%QT>#0V,#!<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDP,%QT M>#@P-C!<='@Y,C`P7'1X,3`S-C!<='@Q,34R,%QT>#$R-C8P7'1X,3,X,C!< M='@Q-#DV,%QT>#$V,3(P7'1X,3<R.#!<='@Q.#0R,%QT>#$Y-3@P7'1X,C`W M,C!<='@R,3@X,%QF8S%<8V8Q(%P*"EQP87)D7'1X,3$T,%QT>#(S,#!<='@S M-#0P7'1X-#8P,%QT>#4W-C!<='@V.3`P7'1X.#`V,%QT>#DR,#!<='@Q,#,V M,%QT>#$Q-3(P7&9C,%QC9C`@/B!$;V5S(&%N>6]N92!K;F]W(&AO=R!T;R!G M970@3F5W<V=R87IE<B!T;R!U=&EL:7IE(&$@+G-I9R!F:6QE/UP*/EP*/B!! M;F1Y($0G06UB<G5O<V]<"CX@9&%M8G)U;W-O0&%D;V)E+F-O;5P*7`I4:&4@ M<')E9F5R96YC97,@<&%N96P@:&%S(&$@8VAE8VL@8F]X(&9O<B!U<VEN9R!A M("YS:6=N871U<F4@8G5T($D@='5R;B!I="!O9F8@8F5C875S92!W:&5N('1H M92!P;W-T:6YG(&AA<'!E;G,@86YO=&AE<B!C;W!Y(&]F('1H92YS:6=N871U C<F4@:7,@861D960@8GD@0TYE=W,@<&]S<VEB;'DN7`H*?0IH ` -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) Subject: Re: How to install HP desketJet 500 to Next Turbo 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Mar20.004940.7637@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH References: <1993Mar18.140130.28193@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 00:49:40 GMT There are comercial packages available for both bw and color. Output is perfect. Contact d'Art Software in Hamburg, Germany and ask about Dots. fred_wichmann@dart.de -- Florian Gutzwiller Tel: +41 61 262 05 10, Fax: +41 61 262 05 10 Open Systems AG flog@Open.CH Basel, Switzerland S=gutzwiller;O=open;P=EUnet=A=EUnet;C=CH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: anarch@media.mit.edu (Anne Wright) Subject: Re: Looking for Gnu BFD description of Mach-O file format Message-ID: <1993Mar20.045730.17379@news.media.mit.edu> Summary: Trying to use NeXT to compile for 68332 Sender: anarch@ai.mit.edu Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory References: <1993Mar18.163225.27843@ai.univie.ac.at> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 04:57:30 GMT I am a student and spend most of my time working at the MIT AI Lab interfacing Motorola 68332 microcontrollers for robotics applications. A 68332 is basically a 68020 CPU with lots of nifty hardware interfacing support built in. So far, I have been compiling code for the 332 by using gcc on a Sun3 (also 68020 -- very convenient that way), linking only to my custom 332 libraries, producing non-relocatable code, and downloading the resulting binary to the 68332. However, Sun3s are a dying breed around the lab and it is inconvenient to use them exclusively. I recently bought a 68040 NeXTStation knowing that it runs gcc and thinking it would be easy to compile for the 332 using it -- just use gcc just the same as on the Sun3 and use the -m68020 option. However, my downloader only works with a.out format and cannot handle the Mach-O the NeXT insists on producing. Since binary formats are not something I am at all familiar with, I am finding this a challenging problem. I pulled over the source for gcc from prep.ai.mit.edu and tried to compile it as a cross-compiler from NeXT to Sun3. This worked just fine and it will happily compile my code as far as assembler, but it complains that it needs ld, and I have neither a clue how to make a cross-linker for the NeXT, or how the linker and assembler interact during a gcc compile. (ie, would gas help? but what about the libraries? Augh!!) So all the ways I can think of of being able to produce 68332 -digestible code on my NeXT have holes: 1) native NeXT gcc -> Mach-O -> a.out -> Downloader Can't do that because I have no Mach-O->a.out conversion... 2) native NeXT gcc -> Mach-O -> Downloader Can't do that because my Downloader can't deal w/Mach-O 3) gcc cross compiler -> linker/assembler -> a.out -> Downloader Can't do that because I have no idea how to make ld and/or as cross... The downloader is custom, but I didn't write it and binary formats are not something I much understand, so option 2 would be real difficult. I have no real feel for the relative difficulty of the other options. If anyone out there can help me with this I would be eternally grateful. This trivial-looking lack has already delayed some of my work by months. anarch@ai.mit.edu PS: Anybody know way to get decent Meta-key behavior out of emacs on the NeXT? "Command" does funky NeXT things and "alt" just prints funny characters. ESC-x works instead of M-x, but it just isn't the same for repetitive stuff and keyboard rebinding doesn't seem to be able to manage it... Sorry, I'm becoming a real Emacs nerd and not being able to figure this out either is a pain. I have no need for all this word processor flamage since I can't use anything but emacs anymore without spewing useless control characters, but it's not as much fun without Meta... --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria) Subject: What Intel box? Message-ID: <1993Mar20.052822.17344@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Sender: usenet@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (usenet dummy) Organization: Northeastern U., Boston, Massachusetts Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 05:28:22 GMT Hi, Does anybody know what Intel machine on the cover of NeXTWORLD magazine? (April/May edition). Does this machine have an eject button on its floppy drive? Thanks. -- Oki okidz@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blanford@spf.trw.com (Ronald P. Blanford) Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <2BAAB6F2.6040@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <1993Mar19.152059.22893@newshost.lanl.gov> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 06:17:21 GMT Dick Silbar writes > There are several things I find interesting about this. > First, diction doesn't always seem to work (for me?). > Sometimes it just returns "0 sentences", when it is clearly > not an empty file. (Not always, sometimes even on the same > file.) In fact, once I think I saw a "segmentation fault" > error message after trying diction. Diction first runs the text through deroff to get rid of formatting commands. I found that deroff dies a horrible death (your "segmentation fault") when fed long lines, such as you get by letting Edit wrap text for you. Of course, if deroff dies, then diction gets no input (your "0 sentences"). The solution is to use MailHelper or the equivalent and reformat the text to have carriage returns at the end of each line. You probably want to do this on a temporary copy. -- Ron
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: It's time to end the Microsoft Mind-Fuck Date: 20 Mar 1993 07:00:19 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1oefe3INNh47@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> The title says it all. I have been filthy mad this past week. I have sat here and read about 20 theories on how NeXT is going to die. Nonsense. NeXTSTEP is good technology. Probably the best piece of software ever written. When I am writing a journal article late at night, and I drag and drop things left and right to increase productivity, I think maybe NeXTSTEP is too good! My point? NeXT is not going to die anytime soon. Slowly but surely people are realizing that good technology really does go a long way. People are being "converted" to NeXTSTEP quicker than Steve Jobs can say "I want to Welcome you to the NeXT World, We think you're going to LOVE this new computer..." NeXT will survive because their technology will win over support, both monetary and press-related. NeXTSTEP for Intel will represent the lowest cost NeXTSTEP system to date. It's only serious competition is Windows NT, an operating system with not one shred of innovation. For those of you who don't know the latest on NT, read this: PC WEEK: (p. 12) MICROSOFT SETS LIST, UPGRADE PRICING FOR WINDOWS NT OS "Microsoft Corp. is finalizing packaging and pricing for NT in preparation for its May launch. Windows NT Advanced Server, the version that incorporates LAN Manager and advanced fault-tolerance features, will carry a list price of less than $5,000. The company has decided to bundle remote-access services and Macintosh connectivity into Windows NT advanced server, which is due this summer. ------- Microsoft has been able to Mind-Fuck people in the past, but this time they are without a condom. Five THOUSAND dollars for the server version of NT! Lets get real here. NeXT now has the FINEST opportunity to steal the show. Screw the HP and Sun support. Those are piddly markets when compared to the 20 MILLION PC users. Intel is showing strong support for NeXTSTEP, probably because Microsoft is rubbing up against DEC with NT for the Alpha. Intel knows what is going on, and they are preparing for the future. I can't wait to see what the CEO of Intel, Andy Groves, has to say at NeXTWORLD Expo. In conclusion, now is the time for NeXT advocacy, NOT the time to read the epitaph. Help stop the Microsoft Mind Fuck. Keep good technology where it belongs - on YOUR desktop, not IN Mr. Gates' wallet. Regards, Eric Hermanson M.I.T. Practicing Safe Computing, With NeXTSTEP and Condem in Hand
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: swekla@ee.ualberta.ca (Brent Swekla) Subject: Request for nbuf recommendations Message-ID: <swekla.732613002@ee.ualberta.ca> Summary: Request for optimal nbuf setting for 20Meg mono slab Keywords: nbuf,memory Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 07:36:42 GMT Ok, I've finally got off my butt and upgraded my mono slab to 20 Meg (running 3.0). Can anybody suggest an optimal setting for nbuf and how to set it? Thanks. -- Brent Swekla swekla@ee.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Mail.app died, will not run from icon. In-Reply-To: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu's message of 19 Mar 93 21:02:35 GMT To: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar19193422@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Mar19.210235.9373@serval.net.wsu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 23:34:22 GMT In article <1993Mar19.210235.9373@serval.net.wsu.edu> jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) writes: My NeXT seems to be having one of those days. I can't seem to get the Mail.App to work from the Icon on the DOCK. I can run mail from the csh prompt just fine, but then I try to use the Icon, it flashes, then returns to the dock with the 3 periods on it. Running it from the File Viewer does the same thing. I have several users on my machine. All of their accounts, including Root, work just fine from the Icon, however, mine does not. Is this a file permission problem? Can someone help me out? Thanks! The most likely cause of this are some stray files in your ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox left over from an earlier Mail.app session which was terminated ungracefully. Could you mail me the output you get from 'ls -l ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox' ? By the way, Carl Edman,,, You seem to know what you're talking about, at least from reading your latest post I think you do. Anyway, I tried to reply to your note, but I can't cause Mailer won't frigging let me! You are too kind. :-> Carl Edman
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why not NeXTStep for Sun? Date: 20 Mar 1993 08:41:00 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1oelas$g5@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1993Mar19.193400.189340@zeus.calpoly.edu> <1993Mar19.213053.16386@adobe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: >While error diffusion would get better results for certain kinds >of images, I doubt many people would say that the results would be >enough better to put up with the severely lowered performance. >Error diffusion also applies only when the source data is not >constant. Using error diffusion to dither a large solid color >rectangle would produce poor results. Not true. Error diffusion is fine for large solid areas (still better than ordinary screening). Of course it is MUCH better for preserving details. However, I don't see it being applied in a dynamic environment as it cannot really be applied to graphical elements individually. Updating such a display without introducing serious visual artifacts would be quite a pain. Then there's the performance issue. But hey, our CPUs are infinitely fast, aren't they :-). Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NS-486 24,32 bit color Message-ID: <1993Mar19.181438.22798@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Mar19.012604.339@eps.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 18:14:38 GMT In article <1993Mar19.012604.339@eps.com> uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) writes: > Does anybody know if NS-486 will support 24 or 32 bit color ala ND. > If so do you know what video board will support it. Also what would be a > recommended platform. 486 DX50 eisa, or local bus etc.. The software will, but there is not likely to be any supported hardware for this until Q3. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: datec@gagme.chi.il.us (Charles Robinson) Subject: Re: April issue of Byte Magazine Message-ID: <1993Mar20.075842.9588@serveme.chi.il.us> Sender: usenet@serveme.chi.il.us Organization: GAGME - Public Access UNIX of Chicago, Illinois, USA, Earth References: <1993Mar19.165736.17542@kynug.org> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 07:58:42 GMT Neil Greene (neil@kynug.org) wrote: : I was just reading the cover article of this months Byte magazine, : "Fighting Fatware." In a nutshell, the article is simply covering some : key issues and points in how software has changed in the last 3-5 years : with the release of larger operating systems. Windows, DOS, OS/2, Mac, : and SCO Unix are mentioned systems. The article is well on track, : covering some very real situations. First a user needed 4M ram, now a : user needs 8 and so on and so on and so on. : : The last paragraph of the article tries to look toward the future for a : solution. With this, the authors begin touching OOOS while discussing : Taligent and Cairo. : : The following is re-printed w/o permission: : : "An Object-Oriented Future" : Perhaps the most promising development is the coming of object-oriented : operating systems (see "Objects for End Users," December 1992 BYTE). The : upcoming Taligent operating system from Apple and IBM, along with Cairo : from Microsoft, promises to save unnecessary code by providing the use : with a series of object that can be purchased, enhanced, and linked : together as necessary. : : I would like to know why the authors fail to mention NeXT at all. I am : not concerned with their personal stand with NeXT or the industry. I am : concerned with the fact that millions of readers look to magazines such as : BYTE to learn. I thought it was simply the duty of magazines such as BYTE : to inform and not to necessarily endorse or pick sides with the current : conditions found in corporate america. (the point of my post is that they : do not) : I just finished reading the same piece and I too was puzzled by the lack of NeXT reference: no mention of NeXT's distributed objects at all although OLE was widely discussed. Perhaps the authors were unaware but I find that hard to believe. Is Byte biased against NeXT? Maybe this topic should be moved to the advocacy group.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Wormhole/Liveware/Todd Nathan status? Message-ID: <1993Mar20.100550.12854@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Mar19.222605.2389@venice.sedd.trw.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 10:05:50 GMT In article <1993Mar19.222605.2389@venice.sedd.trw.com> verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes: > > Has anyone heard from Todd Nathan of Liveware lately? > I got some e-mail from him several months ago. I replied but never got an answer back. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Re: Wormhole/Liveware/Todd Nathan status? Message-ID: <1993Mar20.055831.9956@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 References: <1993Mar19.222605.2389@venice.sedd.trw.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 05:58:31 GMT In <1993Mar19.222605.2389@venice.sedd.trw.com> verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes: >Call me another innocent victim of copy protection! Has anyone discovered how to break the protection scheme he used on Wormhole? -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com Happy Man Corp. 206/463-9399 x101 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 fax x108 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info free; sample $20. Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: BYTE is a PARODY, isn't it? Message-ID: <1993Mar20.131920.17462@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park References: <1993Mar19.222605.2389@venice.sedd.trw.com> <1993Mar20.055831.9956@Happy-Man.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 13:19:20 GMT Didn't you know that BYTE is a parody of a PC mag? I mean, there are a bunch of NeXT, SGI and perhaps ex-Apple employees who get together, smoke cigars, and laugh their heads off as they write satire every month? For confirmation of this, look at the quintessential BYTE column, by "Jerry Pournelle". Clearly the photo is of an impostor, some old wino in a bolo tie. The hilarious side is, that this man receives his weight in PC hardware every day, and tries to install a small percentage of it. And the entire column is about crashes, hardware problems, incompatibilities, and installation mysteries! It's side- splitting. In addition he'll write things like "Now that the Mac has color..." This in 1993! Hilarious satire! And then he thinks he's being revolutionary by mentioning an Amiga they sent him! I laugh until I cry. The man writes things like, "this system is so fast I go to save things twice, because the first save is so quick I think I hit the wrong key". And Unix, any Unix, is so far out of "jerry's" ken that he thinks its another PC add-in card that he fails to get working until he spends 3 days dismantling the latest tower hardware. There's also a pseudonym "Ben Smith", who, comparing "Workstations", uses HP machines, SGI machines costing upwards of $20,000, compares this to a 25MHz NeXTstation with 8 megabytes of memory, finds the Next "slow" and then gives the palm to a Mac Quadra! Rip-snorting parody! Byte is clearly ironic satire to make PC users appear to be cretins wallowing in wires. But didn't you know that? Wally Marty Univ. of Maryland CS Dept.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect Announces WordPerfect For NeXTSTE Message-ID: <1993Mar19.230417.4512@nic.csu.net> From: sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) Date: 19 Mar 93 23:04:14 PST References: <7100@rosie.NeXT.COM> <1oddcfINNl7d@shelley.u.washington.edu> Organization: San Francisco State University In article <1oddcfINNl7d@shelley.u.washington.edu> dayne@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) writes: >[WordPerfect Corp. announcement deleted] > >Now where the hell is Appsoft Write?! Will it or will it not be ready and >shipping (and usable i.e. relatively bug-free for a 1.0 release) on May 25? >Hello Appsoft? How about a statement? I'd rather have Write than Wordperfect >(based totally on hype, mind), but I'll take what I can get soonest. > >-Dayne WriteNow was written in assembly language. I would wonder how long would it take AppSoft to port it to Intel platform. And, does WordPerfect plan for a major upgrade? If not, the announcement means nothing, since it's not up to the expectation. -- Mul | Alt. address: sulistio@futon.sfsu.edu sulistio@sutro.sfsu.edu | NeXTmail -> sarong!sulistio@cs.sfsu.edu #include "std/disclaimer.h" | sulistio@chop.isca.uiowa.edu >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.
From: mtlatour@next5 (MATTHEW T. LATOURETTE) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Gopher? Message-ID: <1993Mar12.211442.1225@mtu.edu> Date: 12 Mar 93 21:14:42 GMT References: <C3L9u4.Eou@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> Sender: news@mtu.edu Organization: Michigan Technological University In article <C3L9u4.Eou@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu (Steve Meyers) writes: > Is there a nice Gopher interface for the NeXT? Where is > it archived? > > Thanks in advance. > > -Steve > __________________________________________________________________ > > Steven Meyers > MASIG B-174 | meyers@lorenz.ocean.fsu.edu > Florida State University | Tele: 904-644-1168 > Tallahassee, FL 32306-3041 | FAX: 904-644-9642 > > __________________________________________________________________ Yes. There is a nice Gopher interface for the NeXT. I have no idea where you can archive it, however.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <tlm.732646734@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Mar19.152059.22893@newshost.lanl.gov> <2BAAB6F2.6040@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 16:58:54 GMT In <2BAAB6F2.6040@deneva.sdd.trw.com> blanford@spf.trw.com (Ronald P. Blanford) writes: >Dick Silbar writes >> There are several things I find interesting about this. >> First, diction doesn't always seem to work (for me?). >> Sometimes it just returns "0 sentences", when it is clearly >> not an empty file. (Not always, sometimes even on the same >> file.) In fact, once I think I saw a "segmentation fault" >> error message after trying diction. >Diction first runs the text through deroff to get rid of >formatting commands. I found that deroff dies a horrible death >(your "segmentation fault") when fed long lines, such as you get >by letting Edit wrap text for you. Of course, if deroff dies, >then diction gets no input (your "0 sentences"). >The solution is to use MailHelper or the equivalent and reformat >the text to have carriage returns at the end of each line. You >probably want to do this on a temporary copy. Actually, you don't need MailHelper to do this in Edit (though I have MH some people may not want another application just for this). Instead, make the following entry in your .pipedict command Format B fmt then any text you select and hit command-B with will be "formatted" to about characters per line. Oh, the syntax above is NAME<tab>KEY_EQUIVALENT<tab>COMMAND Dont put a space after the key equivalent! See the DL for information on pipedict and commanddict files. Obviously, you can build on this by say running fmt|detex|another filter etc. etc. Hope this is helpful --- Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: What Intel box? Message-ID: <1993Mar20.170333.15587@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1993Mar20.052822.17344@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 17:03:33 GMT In article <1993Mar20.052822.17344@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria) writes: >Hi, >Does anybody know what Intel machine on the cover of NeXTWORLD magazine? >(April/May edition). Does this machine have an eject button on its >floppy drive? >Thanks. I think it's the Intel GX professional workstation.... then again, I might be wrong. I know nothing about PCs. - db > >-- >Oki >okidz@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Message-ID: <Mfepu0a00WB9FIUjkP@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 13:12:16 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: Request for nbuf recommendations In-Reply-To: <swekla.732613002@ee.ualberta.ca> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 20-Mar-93 Request for nbuf recommenda.. by Brent Swekla@ee.ualberta > Ok, I've finally got off my butt and upgraded my mono slab to 20 Meg > (running 3.0). Can anybody suggest an optimal setting for nbuf and how to > set it? Enter the ROM hardware monitor. Type 'p' to adjust the settings. Use the defaults until you're prompted for "Boot command?" Enter a string of the form "sd- nbu=xxx" where xxx is a number less than 256. I'd suggest trying numbers between 64 and 128-- I use 96 on my 20MB slab and the performance seems great to me, but your mileage may vary. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) Subject: How many People Still Running 2.x Message-ID: <1993Mar20.191652.1841@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Sender: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us Organization: Trilithon Software Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 19:16:52 GMT I'm interested to know how many people are still on 2.x versus how many people have upgraded to 3.x. Is 2.x still alive and kicking, or has everybody moved on to Nirvana and 3.x? ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER TO ED McCRACKEN - SGI PRESIDENT Message-ID: <1993Mar20.211503.27597@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1o2ah2INN211@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Mar19.165438.3642@scott.skidmore.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 21:15:03 GMT In article <1993Mar19.165438.3642@scott.skidmore.edu> root@pars.skidmore.edu (Operator) writes: >>Following up on a previous note from another netter.... >> >>This is an EXCELLENT time for SGI to gear up the promotion of its Indigo >>and sound related software. Those of us in the computer music community >>are now looking for a platform to do further development work on. I think >>the Indigo was introduced as a direct competitor to the NeXT. If I >>remember the Indigo specs, it does have a DSP (motorla 56001 ?) AND has >>higher quality AD-DA, no ? Imagine NeXTstep running on this >>machine.....we can all port over our Apps etc. with little trouble. >> I believe SGI dumped the DSP in subsequent versions of the Indigo, as they could do everything they needed in the R4000. I use a SkyWriter, which doesn't have the audio stuff, and I tend to use semi-dedicated NeXTStation Turbo for my VE audio stuff, but other folks here at the Lab use Indigos, and seem quite pleased with them. Unfortunately, while SGI provides Performer (and Inventor) layered on top of GL (their graphics library, which is rather low level), I don't believe they have an equivalent layer above AL (their audio library). It's a shame too, but I know I have only written sound code on my NeXT twice. Once I wrote a networked sound server and the other was a few days ago where I added realtime mixing to my sound server. I have my own software which writes the networked server part, so I just needed to figure out the sound part. The first time I wrote sound software on my NeXT, I spend a total of 7 minutes to get a program up and running. The other time (adding real time mixing) took my 40 minutes. For as fine as the functionality I'm sure SGI's Indigo provides, I doubt I would have gotten away with that on the Indigo. I've written too much GL code in my life to believe that... Anyway, I hope NeXT provides SoundKit support for some reasonable range of PC cards so I can keep my 2D interface and sound on the NeXT, and my 3D stuff on the SGI. just one weenie's opinion. -- --> Michael B. Johnson --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu
From: andy@cs.caltech.edu (Andy Fyfe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: a suggestion Date: 20 Mar 1993 23:34:40 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology Message-ID: <1og9mgINN5l8@gap.caltech.edu> References: <32738@oasys.dt.navy.mil> <C44Cuz.15v@ripple.uunet> In article <C44Cuz.15v@ripple.uunet> uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) writes: >Have you ever priced SCO Unix for the PC? How about Solaris? >NS is VERY cheap for a complete Unix, and the extra $1000 for the developer >stuff is just fine. The average user has no use for a compiler. >The compiler *alone* for Solaris costs $1,795. I think that *might* include a >window "painter". And who the hell wants to muck with X? The following is taken from the Cygnus documentation for the installation of their version of gcc under Solaris. It is a partial list of "Optional packages" that apparently are still available, even though the compiler is not itself included. `SUNWarc' Archive libraries for system interfaces. `SUNWbtool' Most of the contents of `/usr/ccs/bin' (most notably, the assembler) come from this package. `SUNWhea' Header files (`/usr/include'). `SUNWtoo' "Programming Tools", notably the linker, `/usr/ccs/bin/ld'. There's enormous value in the NeXTSTEP development tools, but they're not needed if all you're really likely to do is compile programs from comp.sources.unix, your favourite archive, etc. You can get gcc for nothing and run it under Solaris. Why not the same for NeXTSTEP? Andy Fyfe andy@cs.caltech.edu
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS-486 24,32 bit color Message-ID: <Mar.20.18.43.46.1993.5544@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 20 Mar 93 23:43:46 GMT References: <1993Mar19.012604.339@eps.com> <1993Mar19.181438.22798@bluerose.com> Distribution: na Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. >In article <1993Mar19.012604.339@eps.com> uunet!eps!steve (Steve >Kornreich) writes: >> Does anybody know if NS-486 will support 24 or 32 bit color ala ND. >> If so do you know what video board will support it. Also what would be a >> recommended platform. 486 DX50 eisa, or local bus etc.. Well, the ideal system will be as fast as possible. i.e. Deffinatly have a VESA LocalBus slot for video. Currently this slot will only work up to 40mhz so a DX50 with a VESA Slot is a risk. That leaves you with a 66mhzDX/2--the bus on a DX266 runs at 33mhz(i.e. <40mhz so within VESA standards). The absolute ultimate would be DELL's gdx system which has a custom video interface that runs at 50mhz outright. But for price performance, the best deal will be on some 66mhzDX/2 with VESA. You will want EISA slots for the HD controller (ISA is too slow because its a 16 bit bus). Also get the 256k cache (it will help). The DPT HD controller is pretty decent and if you have a SCSI2 device you should see some good performance. A 2.88 meg floppy drive goes for about 90 bux. The video card of choice would be an ATI mach32 (VLB) with 2megs. The monitor of choice (bang for buck) is the NEC 5fg. The ultimate 17" monitor is the nano 560i (the BEST monitor in its class, no doubt). 21" monitors are more debatable. I hope that helps. later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tnb66@isuvax.iastate.edu (*ORION*) Subject: tape drives, simms, cd-rom...help Message-ID: <C47qCu.2K4@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 00:22:04 GMT Hello all! I'm in the market for a tape drive (660MB or better). Speed is not important, but price is. I was just wondering if some of you folks that have done your research could help me to find what I'm looking for. If you know of any other backup device that would be cheaper I'd appreciate hearing about it, although I have been under the impression that tape drives are less costly. I'm also looking to increase my RAM and would appreciate any information anyone can give me on cheap SIMMS (preferably 4MB). As a last note: what are my options for CD-ROM's (ie where can I find the best deal) for those of you that have done your shopping? Any help anyone can give me will be greatly appreciated. Please send e-mail to sela@iastate.edu if possible. This account may be used if need be. Thanks again to anyone who can help me. Brian Morrison sela@iastate.edu Iowa State University
From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: April issue of Byte Magazine Message-ID: <15011@optilink.COM> Date: 21 Mar 93 02:59:02 GMT References: <1odcviINNmb0@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1odmcr$adc@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA In article <1odmcr$adc@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, tpugh@oce.orst.edu (Tim Pugh) writes: > In article <1odcviINNmb0@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John > G Shirlaw) writes: > > Unfortunatly in my opinon BYTE has sunk to the relms of just another PC > magazine > > with the occasional reference to other systems so that they can justify their > > clame to be a small systems magazine. Now it only gets covered if it has a > X86 > > in it. well with the odd Mac. Personaly I have realy gone off BYTE as a > > magazine, if you hadn't already figured that out. > > > > john. > > Ditto! I, too, let my subscription run out and will NOT renew. > I stopped buying Byte on other than an occasional basis after they published a comparative review of high speed modems circa 1987-88. The review was done by some outside hack pseudo-lab. The test methodology was fatally flawed - one particular modem with 2400 bps modulation scored anomalously high throughput with their pseudorandom data source (better than a number of other modems with faster modulation). Instead of questioning what was almost certainly an artifact of reasonably good compression on a source which recurred with a short period, they published it. The editors either did not notice, or did not care. There is occasionally (but too rarely) a worthwhile technical article or an interesting interview, but it's mostly the same shabby PC pimping, with any mention of other than absurd list prices carefully suppressed, so as not to offend the sources of the press releases whose regurgitation is so utterly relied upon to fill whatever scant editorial space remains between the thick paper inserts, blow-in cards, and Pournelle's epic retelling-in-installments of a solid-state version of the Flood myth. Brad Yearwood brad@optilink.com {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad Petaluma, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle) Subject: Looking for good audio stuff. Message-ID: <1993Mar20.070617.24276@nmt.edu> Organization: New Mexico Tech Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 07:06:17 GMT Hello, I am looking for any information about ftp sites where I may find software for exploiting the audio capabilities of the Next workstation. Specifically I'm looking for two things -- one is a program that does what the "Sound" demo does, so far as recording sound, but I want to be able to pass audio through in real time for cueing; any other added abilities would be nice. Also, I would also like to find software for generating arbitary tones in the stereo channels. Something that, at worst, I could write a fairly simple C program to be able to do. We don't have any of the NextStep manuals here, so I don't know if this can already be done in NextStep. Please reply by e-mail.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: How many People Still Running 2.x Message-ID: <1993Mar21.071140.957@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Mar20.191652.1841@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 07:11:40 GMT [Inappropriate newsgroups removed] In article <1993Mar20.191652.1841@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> >I'm interested to know how many people are still on 2.x >versus how many people have upgraded to 3.x. Is 2.x >still alive and kicking, or has everybody moved on to >Nirvana and 3.x? Nearly all of our machines still run some flavor of 2.1 or 2.2. I think we have a grand total of -- let's see -- three (3) that have been upgraded to 3.0. Soon to be four. ALL of our serious development systems run 2.x. 3.0's a total turkey. (Of course, we didn't find this out until after we shelled out bucks for 3.0 licenses. We have a huge pile of 3.0 kits, still in their original shrink wrap.) Had NeXT kept their promise to release DBKit before 3.0, we'd have about zero incentive to upgrade. Things like Renderman are "cute" but in no way essential. Things with marginal utility, like AppleTalk support, don't work, so they're better left unused. So who's getting burned? Third-party developers whose products gratuitously require 3.0 (i.e. don't really depend on "3-point- only" features, but happen to be built on 3.0 systems). Should NeXT release a decent 3.x, or patches to fix the numerous problems in 3.0, we'd reconsider. So far it looks like NeXT is more interested in adding new features (and bugs) than fixing what's wrong with 3.0 (or was broken in 2.x and left that way). We *assume* that 3.1 will be a free upgrade (as minor upgrades have been). Maybe they'll even ship a complete set of header files this time around. (Ha!) -=EPS=- -- People have said that it's impossible to be both a hardware company and a software company, and do both well. With the release of 3.0, it was obvious that NeXT wasn't a credible software company. But they made some great hardware.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) Subject: PORTAL info Message-ID: <1993Mar21.071527.185@eps.com> Sender: steve@eps.com Organization: Electronic Publishing Services Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 07:15:27 GMT Does anyone have any opinion about PORTAL?. We are currently using UUNET for our e-mail, and USENET stuff. Is there a NeXTStep frontend for using PORTAL? Let me know... Steve Kornreich steve@eps.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@TotSysSoft.com (Richard Jacoby) Subject: Re: BYTE is a PARODY, isn't it? Message-ID: <1993Mar21.064935.1501@ToTSySSoft.com> Sender: rick@ToTSySSoft.com Organization: Total System Software References: <1993Mar20.131920.17462@wam.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 06:49:35 GMT In article <1993Mar20.131920.17462@wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) writes: > Didn't you know that BYTE is a parody of a PC mag? I mean, there > are a bunch of NeXT, SGI and perhaps ex-Apple employees who get > together, smoke cigars, and laugh their heads off as they > write satire every month? > For confirmation of this, look at the quintessential BYTE > column, by "Jerry Pournelle". Clearly the photo is of > an impostor, some old wino in a bolo tie. The hilarious > side is, that this man receives his weight in PC hardware > every day, and tries to install a small percentage of it. > And the entire column is about crashes, hardware problems, > incompatibilities, and installation mysteries! It's side- > splitting. In addition he'll write things like "Now that > the Mac has color..." This in 1993! Hilarious satire! And then > he thinks he's being revolutionary by mentioning an Amiga > they sent him! I laugh until I cry. > The man writes things like, "this system is so fast I go to > save things twice, because the first save is so quick I > think I hit the wrong key". And Unix, any Unix, is so far > out of "jerry's" ken that he thinks its another PC add-in > card that he fails to get working until he spends 3 days > dismantling the latest tower hardware. > Don't get me talking about Jerry Pournelle... I used to be on bix, His conference has got to be the wackiest thing I've ever seen... A bunch of educated white supremists, right wing computer students that like to think of themselves as Rambo, (and who are always talking about blowing the bad guys away), and other assorted weirdos talking about stuff like wishing they had a magic button to make every one in the 3rd world go away. They see themselves as the people actually holding society together with there smarts... They see themselves as Randian heros. I saved a bunch of excerpts of things they would say that I couldn't believe I was reading. Kind of like the Rush Limbaugh of the computer world except worse, because it doesn't have the wide circulation that Rush has, so stuff was said on there that I'm sure Rush says when he is alone with his friends..
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BYTE is a PARODY, isn't it? Date: 21 Mar 1993 08:57:17 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Message-ID: <1ohaldINNs0e@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1993Mar20.131920.17462@wam.umd.edu> <1993Mar21.064935.1501@ToTSySSoft.com> Is Unix Dead? (snork, giggle...) As if the University of Texas would ever consider replacing all our UNIX based systems with WindowsNT or some such. As if the internet would last a single day with NT in place of UNIX ("We've replaced the fine operating systems normally served here with WNT... lets see what happens..." fffft!). I do remember that "comparison" of an $8K NeXT with a couple of $20K+ workstations... "the NeXT seems a bit slow...". On top of comparing grapes to watermellons they probably had MonsterScope and Molecule running in the background and didn't even know it. Then they picked the Quadra because it was easier to use or some such rediculous thing. I hear that back issues of Byte, when bound with string and soaked in kerosene, make great firelogs... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Currier | Due to budget cutbacks... this HOTLine Technical Support | snappy .sig comment has been Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | discontinued. We are sorry for mycroft.cc.utexas.edu | the inconvenience. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: How many People Still Running 2.x Message-ID: <C48Fu1.IH@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Mar20.191652.1841@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> <1993Mar21.071140.957@csus.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 09:32:10 GMT eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: >In article <1993Mar20.191652.1841@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> >>I'm interested to know how many people are still on 2.x >>versus how many people have upgraded to 3.x. Is 2.x >>still alive and kicking, or has everybody moved on to >>Nirvana and 3.x? >Nearly all of our machines still run some flavor of 2.1 or 2.2. >essential. Things with marginal utility, like AppleTalk support, >don't work, so they're better left unused. Well, most every machine at our site is 3.0. Personally, I really like the 3.0 features, and would hate to go back. Our netinfo problems went away with 3.0, as well, because the netinfo server is much more stable. (Esp. with such a huge database like we have in our public labs) BTW, I find the AppleTalk support fairly good on our lab subnets, because are 100% EtherTalk Phase II. Also the Novell support is very robust from what I've done with it. I do, however, still have one lone NFS server that still runs 2.1. Why not go to 3.0? I don't want to take it down... fserve1 1> uptime 3:31am up 212 days, 8:14, 0 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Wow. They say that NeXTs aren't stable servers. (the secret: it has 20 MB RAM and NO ONE EVER logs into the console) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How many People Still Running 2.x Date: 21 Mar 1993 01:58:04 -0800 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <1ohe7cINNknu@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> References: <1993Mar20.191652.1841@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> <1993Mar21.071140.957@csus.edu> sritchie@cs.ubc.ca catches Eric P. Scott writing: [sorry, big munch here] >People have said that it's impossible to be both a hardware >company and a software company, and do both well. With the >release of 3.0, it was obvious that NeXT wasn't a credible >software company. But they made some great hardware. Well, either that or be incredibly late. I wonder what looks worse. Stuart
From: alanlb@thor.cs.vt.edu (Alan L. Batongbacal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mac->NeXT Type 1 font converter? Message-ID: <4230@creatures.cs.vt.edu> Date: 17 Mar 93 20:09:06 GMT Sender: usenet@creatures.cs.vt.edu Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept., Blacksburg, VA I'm looking for a free/inexpensive way of converting Macintosh-format Type 1 fonts into Type 1 fonts for the NeXT. Any pointers? -- +---------------------------------------------v-----------------------------+ | Alan L. Batongbacal | "If you spew and she bolts, | | alanlb@cs.vt.edu | it was never meant to be." | | Bleaksburg, VA 24060 | -- Wayne Campbell | +---------------------------------------------^-----------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!sci34hub!tybrin4!holli!me (Trey McClendon) Subject: Re: April issue of Byte Magazine Message-ID: <1993Mar21.034735.12293@holli.uucp> Sender: me@holli.uucp (My Account) Organization: TYBRIN Corporation -- Huntsville, AL References: <Mar19.202449.72318@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 03:47:35 GMT In article <Mar19.202449.72318@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> randall@redfish.atmos.colostate.edu (Dave Randall) writes: > I let my subscription to Byte run out recently. They have earned it. And How! -Little Rascals -- Trey McClendon, Madison, AL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) Subject: Re: April issue of Byte Magazine Message-ID: <C490oG.8M2@cs.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL References: <1odcviINNmb0@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1odmcr$adc@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <15011@optilink.COM> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 17:02:40 GMT brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes: >between the thick paper inserts, blow-in cards, and Pournelle's epic >retelling-in-installments of a solid-state version of the Flood myth. I've gotten really sick of Pournelle. He actually gets paid for taking three pages to tell how he hooked up his latest CD-ROM to his PC? That should tell him something about PC`s! He's also self-promoting to the point of being ridiculous about it. -Terry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) Subject: Re: BYTE is a PARODY, isn't it? Message-ID: <C490uC.8w4@cs.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL References: <1993Mar20.131920.17462@wam.umd.edu> <1993Mar21.064935.1501@ToTSySSoft.com> <1ohaldINNs0e@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 17:06:11 GMT mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: >Is Unix Dead? >(snork, giggle...) As if the University of Texas would ever consider >replacing all our UNIX based systems with WindowsNT or some such. As if >the internet would last a single day with NT in place of UNIX ("We've >replaced the fine operating systems normally served here with WNT... lets >see what happens..." fffft!). That was really idiotic. They don't understand a damn thing about Unix anyway. I couldn't beleive they had the gall to say such a thing about an operating system that has not even been released yet! Must be those Microsoft advertising dollars. Anyone who likes at Microsoft Word should be afraid of an operating system by the same company. Very afraid. -Terry
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How many People Still Running 2.x Date: 21 Mar 1993 17:21:42 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1oi877INNpnu@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Mar20.191652.1841@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> <1993Mar21.071140.957@csus.edu> >> Things with marginal utility, like AppleTalk support, >> don't work, so they're better left unused. That's what I heard about the AppleTalk support too when 3.0 came out. However, being the stubborn person I am, I started using it anyway. On our phase 2 ethertalk, it works fine, and now I can't live without it. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <7978@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 21 Mar 93 06:14:25 GMT References: <1993Mar19.152059.22893@newshost.lanl.gov> <1ocqlhINN4q0@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Sender: news@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. In article <1ocqlhINN4q0@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: >In article <1993Mar19.152059.22893@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov >(Dick Silbar) writes: >> In article <7952@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas >> Scott) writes: >> There are several things I find interesting about this. First, diction >> doesn't always seem to work (for me?). Sometimes it just returns "0 >> sentences", when it is clearly not an empty file. (Not always, sometimes >> even on the same file.) In fact, once I think I saw a "segmentation >> fault" error message after trying diction. >> Dick Silbar > > Make sure your file is saved. That diction command only works if the >file is saved. If you wish to make the diction work on the current selection, >instead of the save file, then change the .commanddict line: >Diction Y diction $file > to: >Diction Y diction $selection Ahh, no, that is not the problem here. Diction, and several other text processing programs of this sort, cannot read the direct output from Edit for the simple reason that there are no line breaks, and the super-long single line overloads the input buffers of those programs! The solution I found is to change all commands of that sort (in your .commanddict) to: Diction Y cat $selection | nroff -ms | diction this breaks the lines up and produces better results. Perhaps someone knows of an even better processing step that would do the same thing? -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: xfig under X11R5 server Date: 21 Mar 1993 15:21:59 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1oi16n$2dq@steffi.demon.co.uk> Has anybody tried compiling xfig2.1.1 on a NeXT? The compiler stops but no fatals were generated. wprim.c: In function `init_font': w_drawprim.c:78: warning: comparison between pointer and integer w_drawprim.c:80: warning: comparison between pointer and integer w_drawprim.c:82: warning: comparison between pointer and integer w_drawprim.c:127: warning: assignment of integer from pointer lacks a cast w_drawprim.c: In function `lookfont': w_drawprim.c:218: warning: comparison between pointer and integer *** Exit 1 Stop. Really strange.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lschultz@ichips.intel.com (Len Schultz) Subject: Re: OPEN LETTER TO ED McCRACKEN - SGI PRESIDENT In-Reply-To: zmonster@athena.mit.edu's message of 15 Mar 1993 16:22:58 GMT Message-ID: <LSCHULTZ.93Mar21121927@pdx828.intel.com> Sender: news@ichips.intel.com (News Account) Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon References: <1o2ah2INN211@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 20:19:27 GMT In article <1o2ah2INN211@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: I am very troubled by SGI's recent decision to adopt Windows-NT based versions of the MIPS hardware architecture. I am of the opinion that Windows NT represents a mediocre step forward in technology, far less than what I would expect from SGI. Although I understand your desire to enter the PC market, I don't understand your motivations for adopting Windows NT, other than it may make you some quick money. I would like to suggest that you take a look at NeXTSTEP as being the bridge between SGI and the PC world. In fact, I would like to use a quote of yours I found in the "Micro Times" from .... I urge you Mr. McCracken, consider the technological effects of your recent decision. Please prove me wrong and show me that you are no hypocrite. Adopt NeXTSTEP and prove to the world that SGI is still committed to providing leading edge technology. People want good technology. They want NeXTSTEP. -------- Eric, I do belive that your plea is in vain. You probably don't understand SGI's motivations for supporing NT. The major motivation is volume. NT will sell because it is "compatible", while NeXTstep is "incompatable". NeXTstep may be innovative, but so is SGI's own environment. Adding NeXTstep to their arsenal would not help them. I don't believe Ed McCracken was being hippocritical with his statement. SGI is making a smart business decision to support NT. They are trying to expand the appeal of their hardware. At the high end, they will offer performance and innovation. At the low end, they will offer "compatability". -- Len Schultz, lschultz@ichips.intel.com Intel Corp., M/S JF1-19, 5200 NE Elam Young Pkwy, Hillsboro, Oregon 97124-6497 This is a private posting; it does not indicate opinions or positions of Intel Corp. Intel Inside (tm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Eric Noyau <e_noyau@cubx.com> Subject: Re: Crontab editor Message-ID: <1993Mar19.074921.1192@pelane.cubx.com> Sender: noyau@pelane.cubx.com Organization: Cub'X systemes References: <1993Mar16.215116.1834@gleap.jupnix.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 07:49:21 GMT In article <1993Mar16.215116.1834@gleap.jupnix.com> clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) writes: > Has anyone ever seen a gui which serves as a crontab editor? > Edit.app ! -- (Eric Noyau - e_noyau@cubx.com - (Small)NeXTMail Ok) /R{rand 2147483647 div mul}def 1 1 90{pop dup gsave/Helvetica findfont 40 R scalefont setfont 500 R 800 R moveto 360 R rotate 1 R setgray show grestore}for pop showpage % The fish doesn't think because the fish knows... everything --- Iggy Pop
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yann@dagobah.fdn.org (Yann Lechelle) Subject: Re: Shakespeare icon Message-ID: <1993Mar16.162510.292@dagobah.fdn.org> Sender: yann@dagobah.fdn.org Organization: Individual References: <1993Mar15.184129.17012@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 16:25:10 GMT There is copy of that icon in: /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/Examples/IBTutorial/Images/willy.tiff link it to /NextLibrary/Literature/Shakespeare/.dir.tiff ( : ] -- / ================================================= \ \ Yann Lechelle (Paris, FRANCE) / / yann@dagobah.fdn.org Email/NeXTmail \ \ "grep me no patterns and I'll tell you no lines." /
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: o_endrikat@oe.fn.sub.org (Oliver Endrikat) Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar21.214324.1335@oe.fn.sub.org> Sender: oe@oe.fn.sub.org (Oliver Endrikat) Organization: oliver endrikat - freier informatiker References: <ijeff.732308508@cunews> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 21:43:24 GMT In article <ijeff.732308508@cunews> ijeff@hank.carleton.ca (Ian Jefferson) writes: : Does anyone know of a grammer checker for NeXT? How about : in french? : : thanks : : I think I saw one on the NeXT-Demo Disk of Q2/92. Unfortunately I dont't remember it's name, but if you have problems locating it, please send a mail. i'll go and ask my dealer to have a second look on that disk... good luck oliver -- | oliver endrikat | freier informatiker |____________________________________________________________
Control: cancel <1993Mar19.201848.9488@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sircomp@bcarh289 (Brian Magee) Subject: cmsg cancel <1993Mar19.201848.9488@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Message-ID: <1993Mar19.202111.9576@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. References: <1993Mar19.201848.9488@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 20:21:11 GMT This message was cancelled from within rn. -- Rob Parkhill: sircomp@bnr.ca |"It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper NeXTmail preffered at: | of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. rob@hobbes.oghma.ocunix.on.ca | Get it?" - Ren Hoek
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sircomp@bcarh289.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) Subject: Printers Message-ID: <1993Mar19.202319.9670@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. References: <1993Mar19.201848.9488@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 20:23:19 GMT Hi All: The time has come for me to finally buy a printer for my slab, but a few questions have come up that I haven't been able to get answers for. 1) Can I connect any sort of bubble jet/ink jet printer to my machine (ie: are there any drivers that have been written for the BJ-10e or an HP Ink-jet?) 2) If I can hook up one of these printers (or any of the supported 3rd party printers in 3.0), will that printer be PostScript Level 2 automagically? I don't want to hook up a printer and end up getting only a few printer fonts!! Will 3.0 send the printer a huge bitmap so I can get PS level 2? (Which would mean that I could have a PS Level 2 dot-matrix printer :-) Thanks for any help/tips/pointer/cash donations later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill: sircomp@bnr.ca |"It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper NeXTmail preffered at: | of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. rob@hobbes.oghma.ocunix.on.ca | Get it?" - Ren Hoek
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!sci34hub!tybrin4!holli!me (Trey McClendon) Subject: Re: How many People Still Running 2.x Message-ID: <1993Mar21.214155.14093@holli.uucp> Sender: me@holli.uucp (My Account) Organization: TYBRIN Corporation -- Huntsville, AL References: <C48Fu1.IH@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 21:41:55 GMT In article <C48Fu1.IH@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: > eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > > >In article <1993Mar20.191652.1841@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> > >>I'm interested to know how many people are still on 2.x > >>versus how many people have upgraded to 3.x. Is 2.x > >>still alive and kicking, or has everybody moved on to > >>Nirvana and 3.x? > [stuff deleted] > I do, however, still have one lone NFS server that still runs 2.1. > Why not go to 3.0? I don't want to take it down... > > fserve1 1> uptime > 3:31am up 212 days, 8:14, 0 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > Wow. They say that NeXTs aren't stable servers. (the secret: it has > 20 MB RAM and NO ONE EVER logs into the console) tybrin1 1> uptime 3:42pm up 106 days, 21:26, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.12, 0.06 This server is used daily with Framemaker and for doing development. (no one is on it now except for me, of course) Trey tybrin4!trey@sci34hub.sci.com -- Trey McClendon, Madison, AL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sircomp@bcarh289.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) Subject: Re: a suggestion Message-ID: <1993Mar21.215142.1577@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. References: <1oag9kINN2ht@gap.caltech.edu> <32738@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 93 21:51:42 GMT In article <32738@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes: >In comp.sys.next.misc, andy@cs.caltech.edu (Andy Fyfe) writes: >>So my suggestion, then, is that a "basic compiler package" either be >>included with the basic NeXTSTEP (perhaps as an optional package), >>or be available for a far more modest price increment than what the >>full development system goes for. There's too much useful software >>available in source form not to have a compiler (which is mostly GNU >>anyway!). [munch] >I think it would be fine to charge extra for the complier package, but not >the price required for the full NeXTSTEP development system. The idea >would be to try and make NeXTSTEP grab a large chunk of that Unix-on-PC >market. > >Curt Welch When I bought my 8/105 system, it didn't have ANY of the developers stuff on it, but it did have the compiler. Since it's a gnu compiler, and it came with the 'non-developer' install on the slabs, I would assume that it would be a part of the NS/Intel users version. later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill: sircomp@bnr.ca |"It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper NeXTmail preffered at: | of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. rob@hobbes.oghma.ocunix.on.ca | Get it?" - Ren Hoek
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: How many People Still Running 2.x Message-ID: <9!840qc@rpi.edu> References: <1993Mar20.191652.1841@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 03:01:35 GMT henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) writes: > I'm interested to know how many people are still on 2.x > versus how many people have upgraded to 3.x. Is 2.x > still alive and kicking, or has everybody moved on to > Nirvana and 3.x? Most of the NeXT users that I know of are running 3.0 by now. In my own case, I have two NeXT's on my desk, one running 2.1 and the other running 3.0. I really like 3.0 for most things, but I spend more time on my 2.1 system because AFS is available for 2.1 and it's not available for 3.0 (not officially, that is). My work pretty much requires a machine with AFS installed. For the most part I really prefer release 3.0, though I was disappointed that the Appletalk support did not work reliably in our (phase 1) environment. I do know other NeXT users who are using Appletalk support in a purely Phase II environment and who are very happy with it, but for me it was pretty close to unusable. It seems to work a bit better now that we (RPI) are starting to transition to Phase II. Of the NeXT users that I know who are still at 2.x, most of them are waiting until they can afford to buy some more RAM or more disk space. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tvz@zandtwerk.Princeton.EDU (Timothy Van Zandt) Subject: Re: Mac->NeXT Type 1 font converter? Message-ID: <1993Mar21.182730.406@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <4230@creatures.cs.vt.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 18:27:30 GMT In article <4230@creatures.cs.vt.edu> alanlb@thor.cs.vt.edu (Alan L. Batongbacal) writes: >I'm looking for a free/inexpensive way of converting Macintosh-format >Type 1 fonts into Type 1 fonts for the NeXT. Any pointers? > I asked the same question about two months ago, considered several possibilities, and finally did the conversion with Trilithon Software's MacToPfs programs. This is brand new; version 1.0 just released. I just opened MacToPfs, popped in my mac disc with the fonts, and dragged them to the MacToPfs window. I few minutes later, I (MacToPfs) had installed 75 Type 1 fonts, with afm files. (I am using NeXTSTep release 3.0, but there is support for 2.0.) I don't what the official distribution channels are now, but probably henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) can tell you. It is VERY reasonably priced. Tim --- Timothy Van Zandt (609)258-4050 tvz@Princeton.EDU (NeXTMail) -- Timothy Van Zandt (609)258-4050 tvz@Princeton.EDU (NeXTMail)
Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: hheller@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Helmut Heller) Subject: DAT on NeXT --- does it work? Message-ID: <hheller.732819776@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> Keywords: DAT, NeXT, backup, tape Sender: news@news.lrz-muenchen.de (Mr. News) Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 17:02:56 GMT Hello, I just relocated from the US to Germany and so I missed the discussion about DAT backup tape drives on the NeXT. Could someone be so kind and tell me a) does a DAT drive (HP variety) work on a NeXT b) what do I need to make it work (drivers??) I am thinking about the 8GByte drive with compression --- is the compression worth the money or is UNIX-compress good enough? Please send e-mail to heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu as my German e-mail address is not yet stable enough. Please do not just post your response as I don't have a reliable news feed yet. If there is enough interest, I will summarize to the net. Thanks a lot for your help, Helmut
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.osf.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: klbaldwi@sharkbit.ingr.com (Karen Baldwin) Subject: Re: What is "Unified Unix" and why should I care? Message-ID: <1993Mar22.155037.16870@dazixco.ingr.com> Keywords: question unified unix Sender: klbaldwi@sharkbit (Karen Baldwin) Organization: Intergraph Electronics References: <1993Mar18.203331.18065@Princeton.EDU> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 15:50:37 GMT >At any rate, I'm looking for a description, rumors, pointer to offical >announcements, anything at all about "Unified Unix". Best of all would be >a pointer to a group carrying an official announcement, or an e-mail address >to which I could direct further queries. Article: 3386 of ingr.general Newsgroups: ingr.general Path: dazixcon!ingr!infonode!ehood From: ehood@infonode.ingr.com (Ernest Hood) Subject: Unix Message-ID: <1993Mar20.185251.24837@infonode.ingr.com> Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL. Distribution: ingr Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 18:52:51 GMT Unix Vendors Ally Against Windows NT 03/18/93 SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A., 1993 MAR 18 (NB) -- In the face of what could turn into intense competition from Microsoft's new Windows NT operating system, six major Unix vendors have allied together, pledging to develop common standards for Unix and a compatible graphical user interface. The move is also designed to give users of Unix more flexible network protocols. The six vendors involved are IBM, Hewlett-Packard, Sun Microsystems, Unix Systems Laboratories, Univel, and the Santa Cruz Operation. The ultimate goal is to allow corporate users to utilize hardware and software from different vendors without struggling with compatibility problems. Currently, problems arise when trying to use software designed for different vendors' versions of Unix. "Open systems" was intended to allow compatibility between vendor hardware and software. However, in many respects it has not lived up to its expectations, with products from different vendors incompatible with others. An alliance between major vendors that creates compatible products would go a long way to defending the claim that a commitment to Windows NT would be a regressive step back to proprietary software, dominated by a single major vendor. Microsoft has been very vocal in its targeting of Windows NT at the Unix market. If the new operating system lives up to its hype, it could pose a serious threat to established Unix environments. The potential battle between Unix and Windows NT is another indication of the trend away from mainframe-based computer environments, towards distributed processing and local area networks (LANs). Windows NT will present users with the popular Windows GUI (graphical user interface) on the desktop, and will likely offer hundreds, if not thousands, of compatible software products. The establishment of a consistent and compatible GUI for Unix is important to its defense of its installed corporate base. Also important is the ability for companies to buy a variety of hardware and have the software use a consistent set of commands to allow users to access resources enterprise-wide. The different versions of Unix have not helped Unix establish itself in the market in the past. Now, however, analysts argue that it could be a major factor in it demise. Microsoft NT is already in the advanced beta testing stage. Many analysts believe that, for Unix to compete effectively against Windows NT, it must present a unified face to established and potential customers alike. The new Unix specifications are likely to combine technologies the Open Software Foundation industry consortium, along with the six vendors. A common set of Unix standards would also reduce the cost of products on the market as it would cut development costs and time-to-market. A common set of networking protocols would also increase interconnectivity between different vendor products. Article: 3387 of ingr.general Newsgroups: ingr.general Path: dazixcon!ingr!infonode!ehood From: ehood@infonode.ingr.com (Ernest Hood) Subject: Unix Message-ID: <1993Mar20.185341.24906@infonode.ingr.com> Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL. Distribution: ingr Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 18:53:41 GMT WORLDWIDE UNIX COMPUTER SYSTEM MAKERS SEEK COMMON SOFTWARE ENVIRONMENT SAN FRANCISCO (MARCH 17) UPI - Six worldwide leaders in UNIX computer systems Wednesday banded together to develop and deliver a common software environment for use on all UNIX-based systems. The six major UNIX system producers - Hewlett-Packard Co., International Business Machines Corp., The Santa Cruz Operation Inc., Sun Microsystems Inc., Univel and UNIX System Laboratories Inc. - announced a series of steps to make it easier for their propriety systems to work with one another and use the same software. The move comes in response to increased demand for consistent technologies across multiple vendor platforms and a greater technology choice, as well as a broader array of software. Creating a common environment for UNIX systems will reduce both the cost of developing UNIX software, and consequently the selling price, and reduce the amount of time it takes to get software to market. Hewlett-Packard, IBM, The Santa Cruz Operation, SunSoft - the software subsidiary of Sun Microsystems Inc. - Univel and UNIX Systems Laboratories said Wednesday they have defined a specification for a common desktop environment that gives end users a consistent look and feel. They also have defined a consistent set of application programming interfaces for creating software that will run on all of their UNIX- based systems. In addition, the six companies have decided to adopt common networking products, allowing for increased interaction between the otherwise-incompatible computers. The companies also have endorsed specifications, standards and technologies in the area of graphics, multimedia and object-oriented software technology and have announced a working group in the area of systems administration. All of the new specifications, technologies and products will be designed to preserve compatibility with the companies' existing software application environments. Transmitted: 93-03-17 14:50:00 EST From mmccarth@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com Wed Mar 17 17:24 MST 1993 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 17:24:14 MST From: mmccarth@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com (Mike McCarthy) To: gmelkis@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com, dleise@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com, jgalles@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com, cmihalik@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com, kbaldwin@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com, parsenych@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com, ggrant@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com, khenderson@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com, kmody@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com, ravi@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com, venki@ripple.dazixco.ingr.com Subject: fyi - UNIX response to NT Content-Type: text Content-Length: 8747 X-Lines: 225 Status: RO ----- Begin Included Message ----- From dbeumer@snpcb5.dazixco.ingr.com Wed Mar 17 12:52:43 1993 Return-Path: <dbeumer@snpcb5.dazixco.ingr.com> From: dbeumer@snpcb5.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Beumer) To: dzxmgrs@snpcb5.dazixco.ingr.com Subject: fyi - UNIX response to NT Content-Length: 8407 X-Lines: 210 -----------Press Release------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE UNIX LEADERS ANNOUNCE COMMON OPEN SOFTWARE ENVIRONMENT Six Companies Agree On Software Technologies And Common Desktop Reinforce Commitment To Open Systems SAN FRANCISCO, UNIFORUM, March 17, 1993 -- Worldwide UNIX system leaders Hewlett-Packard Company, IBM Corp., The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc., Sun Microsystems, Inc., Univel and UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. today announced their intent to deliver a common open software environment across their UNIX system platforms. This announcement is in response to increased customer demand for consistent technologies across multiple platforms, greater technology choice, increased cost savings and quicker time to market. HP, IBM, SCO, SunSoft, the software subsidiary of Sun Microsystems, Inc., Univel and USL have defined a specification for a common desktop environment that gives end users a consistent look and feel. They have defined a consistent set of application programming interfaces (APIs) for the desktop that will run across all of their systems, opening up a larger opportunity for software developers. The six companies have each decided to adopt common networking products, allowing for increased interoperability across heterogeneous computers. In addition, they have endorsed specifications, standards and technologies in the areas of graphics, multimedia and object technology, and have announced a working group in the area of systems administration. All of the new specifications, technologies and products will be designed to preserve compatibility with the companies' existing software application environments. Today's announcement is a strong endorsement for the premise of open systems. Under open systems, unencumbered specifications are freely available, independent branding and certification processes exist, multiple implementations of a single product may be created and competition is enhanced. To this extent, the Open Software Foundation (OSF) has agreed to submit the Motif specification and associated support materials to X/Open for incorporation into a future release of X/Open's portability guide, including licensing of the trademark and the branding process. In addition, Novell/Univel have agreed to submit the specification for the NetWare UNIX client to X/Open. Common Desktop Environment The six companies have defined a specification for a common desktop environment that will provide end users with a consistent computing experience and software developers with a consistent set of programming interfaces for the HP, IBM, SCO, SunSoft, Univel and USL platforms. This advanced environment will enable users to transparently access data and applications from anywhere in the netork. The companies plan to publish a preliminary specification for the environment by the end of June, 1993 and will periodically release updates to the industry. They have agreed to submit the specification to X/Open for incorporation into the X/Open portability guide. HP, IBM, Sun and USL will make available an implementation for the common desktop, based on X/Open specifications, in the first half of 1994 that will be openly licensable to the industry. SCO and Univel will strongly participate on the evolution of this common desktop environment. The six companies will host a Developers Conference in early October to give users and software developers details on products and direction. The common desktop environment will incorporate aspects of HP's Visual User Environment (VUE), IBM's Common User Access model and Workplace Shell, OSF's Motif toolkit and Window Manager, SunSoft's OPEN LOOK and DeskSet productivity tools and USL's UNIX SVR4.2 desktop manager components and scalable systems technologies. Specific technologies to be used by the six companies include the X Window System, Version 11, the Motif toolkit and interface and SunSoft's ToolTalk interapplication communication product with an incorporated HP Encapsulator. As most of this environment exists today, the companies will integrate key technologies available in the open marketplace and innovate where appropriate to give users and software developers a consistent UNIX desktop environment. The common desktop environment was demonstrated here today running across five hardware and software platforms. The companies' goal is to preserve compatibility of existing applications written to HP-UX, IBM AIX/6000, SCO Open Desktop, SunSoft Solaris, Univel UnixWare and USL UNIX SVR4.2 as they are evolved from their current desktops to the common desktop environment. Networking In furthering support for heterogeneous computing, HP, IBM, SCO, SunSoft, Univel and USL will sell, deliver and support OSF's DCE, SunSoft's ONC+ and Novell/Univel's NetWare UNIX client networking products. The companies will offer customers greater choice while providing them with a consistent level of support and integration. Users will gain increased interoperability across multiple platforms while continuing to protect their current investments. Individual companies will announce pricing and availability for each of their products at a later date. Graphics To enable consistent implementation of high-performance graphics software and promote wider availability of applications in the marketplace, the companies plan to support a core set of graphics facilities from the X Consortium. These are Xlib/X for basic 2D pixel graphics; Pexlib/PEX for 2D/3D geometry graphics; and XIElib/XIE for advanced imaging. Multimedia The six companies will submit a joint specification for the Interactive Multimedia Association's (IMA) request for technology. This will provide users with consistent access to multimedia tools in heterogeneous environments and enable developers to create next-generation applications using media as data. Object Technology HP, IBM, SCO, SunSoft, Univel and USL are working together to accelerate the development and delivery of object-based technology. They are supporting the efforts of the Object Management Group (OMG) that has developed the Common Object Request Broker (CORBA) standard for distributed object management solutions. The companies will comply with the CORBA specification in their future product implementations. In addition, the companies will work with the OMG to establish common guidelines to simplify developer transition, specify core capabilities for object construction and development, and further the adoption of common testing and certification. Systems Management As more customers move to distributed heterogeneous computing environments, enterprise system management becomes a critical requirement. To this extent, the six companies will form a working group to facilitate the rationalization and rapid acceptance of industry specifications in the systems management arena. The companies will initially focus on the areas of user and group management; software installation and distribution management; software licensing management; storage management; print spooling and distributed file system management. ### 1993 IBM is a registered trademark of International Business Machines Corp. and AIX/6000 is a trademark of International Business Machines Corp. NetWare is a registered trademark of Novell, Inc. OSF, Motif and Open Software Foundation are trademarks of the Open Software Foundation in the U.S. Univel and UnixWare are trademarks of Univel. SCO and SCO Open Desktop are registered trademarks of The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. in the U.S. and other countries. Sun Microsystems, Inc. SunSoft, Solaris, ONC+ and ToolTalk are trademarks or registered trademarks of Sun Microsystems, Inc. UNIX and OPEN LOOK are registered trademarks of UNIX System Laboratories in the U.S. and other countries. X/Open is a trademark of X/Open Company Ltd. in the United Kingdom and other countries. All other products or service names mentioned herein are trademarks of their respective owners. CONTACTS: Hewlett-Packard Company Lynn Wehner 508-436-5017 IBM, Corp. Kathleen Ryan 914-642-4634 The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Zee Zaballos 408-427-7156 SunSoft, Inc. Shernaz Daver 415-336-0678 Univel Melanie King 408-729-2342 UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. Larry Lytle 908-522-5186 ----- End Included Message ----- ----- End Included Message ----- ----- End Included Message ----- : Karen Baldwin, Intergraph :: The Peter Murphy Principle -- : : kbaldwin@dazixco.ingr.com :: "Anyone who gets promoted will go wrong." : : uunet!ingr!dazixco!kbaldwin :: -- Scott Jonas : :-------------------------------::----------------------------------------------:
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How many People Still Running 2.x Message-ID: <1151@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 22 Mar 93 20:04:30 GMT References: <1993Mar21.214155.14093@holli.uucp> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Trey McClendon writes > tybrin1 1> uptime > 3:42pm up 106 days, 21:26, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.12, 0.06 > > This server is used daily with Framemaker and for doing development. (no > one is on it now except for me, of course) Boy, you should reboot it, then. It will go faster. The Window Server and various other parts of the system seem to accumulate crud that goes away when you reboot. My system (which, incidentally, is a 2.1 system): rtbrain> uptime 12:02pm up 2 days, 1:35, 2 users, load average: 0.72, 0.31, 0.27 -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: root@azetsys.uucp (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cnews test Message-ID: <1993Mar22.200540.435@azetsys.uucp> Date: 22 Mar 93 20:05:40 GMT Organization: CleverLever This is a test of a newly installed Cnews package from the BANG CD-ROM, let's hope it works. Geza.. -- Geza Fekete azetsys!root@uunet.UU.NET
From: root@azetsys.uucp (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TEST Message-ID: <1993Mar22.204609.586@azetsys.uucp> Date: 22 Mar 93 20:46:09 GMT Organization: CleverLever .......GREETINGS!......... This is a test of a newly installed Cnews package from the BANG CD-ROM, hope that it works as well for posting as it does for receiving. Geza.. -- Geza Fekete azetsys!root@uunet.UU.NET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jsm4u@sonja.math.Virginia.EDU (Joe McDonnell) Subject: nohup Message-ID: <C4B35w.FDI@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 19:51:32 GMT I've been trying to run Mathematica on my next using the UNIX command "nohup". Unfortunately, when I log out, I get a "hang up", i.e., no nohup. Can someone please help me with this, please? I guess e-mail to jsm4u@sonja.math.virginia.edu would be best. Many thanks. Joe McDonnell
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sam@musical.fdn.org (Sam Przyswa) Subject: BBS software Fido-compatible Message-ID: <1993Mar22.021807.7836@musical.fdn.org> Sender: sam@musical.fdn.org Organization: Rock'n Jazz BBS - (The Music Land) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 02:18:07 GMT I m looking for a BBS sotfware Fido-compatible on NeXT or any Unix/Linux os, please reply by mail. Thanks in advance. Sam -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sam Przyswa << Rock©n Jazz BBS >> E-Mail: sam@musical.fdn.org Paris FidoNet: 2:320/102 --<NeXTmail accepted 10Ko max>-- France Music & Midi BBS
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Help Needed: Boot panic when networked Message-ID: <1993Mar22.215252.18494@socrates.umd.edu> Keywords: boot, panic, networking Organization: University of Maryland University College Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 21:52:52 GMT I have a NeXTstation which acts as a "server" on a two machine network with a Sun Sparc 2 that we just obtained (there is the problem, you say!-) Anyway, without knowing much (the other problem) I have networked the machines so that rlogin/ftp work (easy), the NeXT printer serves the Sun (harder), and there are some common mounted directories (hard-if this is what is causing my problem.) The Sun mounts the NeXT directories as either "rw,hard,intr,bg" or "ro,soft,bg" which I exported from the NeXT using the NFSManager.app. No yellow pages, no look-up tables, etc. Everything seems fine, until I need to reboot the NeXT. Then I get a kernel panic when the network daemons are starting (sometimes at slightly different points). If I remove the NeXT from the network, it boots without problem. If I remove all the exported and imported directories from the NeXT and the Sun, it will eventually boot (sometimes not on the first try). Everytime I think I have it narrowed downed to a couple of causes, it acts differently--thus driving me crazier than usual. Can someone please help me. Here is the last of the boot info before the panic: Mar 22 14:45:03 tsinext mach: root on sd0 Mar 22 14:45:03 tsinext mach: master cpu at slot 0. Mar 22 14:45:07 tsinext netmsgserver[62]: network_init Mar 22 14:45:31 tsinext mach: unexpected kernel page fault failure Mar 22 14:45:31 tsinext mach: trap: type 0x410 fcode 5 rw 1 faultaddr 0x11020000 Mar 22 14:45:31 tsinext mach: trap: pc 0x10f8ef8c sp 0x37ff60 sr 0x2000 Mar 22 14:45:31 tsinext mach: trap: cpu 0 th 0x10139ff4 proc 0x0 pid 0 pcb 0x10fa600c Mar 22 14:45:31 tsinext mach: traceback: fp 0x10fa6f34 Mar 22 14:45:31 tsinext mach: called from pc 10f9012c fp 10fa6f4c 4-args 00ff9b01 10136720 0000000d 10fa6f9c Mar 22 14:45:31 tsinext mach: called from pc 10f90ff6 fp 10fa6f9c 4-args 10136720 10538900 00ff9b01 00000000 Mar 22 14:45:31 tsinext mach: called from pc 10f92204 fp 10fa6fb4 4-args 00000000 10f98860 ff00ff04 10f98888 Mar 22 14:45:31 tsinext mach: called from pc 10f90596 fp 10fa6fe8 4-args 10f98860 00000000 0405a056 000010f9 Of course, pid=0 is the kernel. If I go into single user mode and do "sh /etc/rc" it usually gives me a panic with the following: network_init netinfo lookupd Problem obtaining NTP initialization data, aborting. Unable to set time Problem was: Communication failure: ntpd Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Hypercard Compatibility for NeXTSTEP Users from Thoughtful Software Message-ID: <7135@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 22 Mar 93 23:26:12 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Mishelle McClure Baun Thoughtful Software 616 East Locust St. Fort Collins, CO 80524 Phone: (303) 221-4596 Fax: (303) 221-0841 email: info@thoughtful.com THOUGHTFUL SOFTWARE SHIPS PRE-RELEASE VERSION OF HYPERSENSE Breakthrough product offers Hypercard Compatibility to NeXTSTEP users FORT COLLINS, Colorado, March 15, 1993 - Thoughtful Software announced today that HyperSense (tm), the advanced hypermedia authoring software for the NeXTSTEP operating system, has begun shipping in a pre-release version. HyperSense is a powerful HyperCard (rtm)-compatible authoring system which enables users to create their own multimedia documents and applications. "When we set out to create HyperSense, our goal was not simply to duplicate the functionality of HyperCard, but to create a much richer environment, giving users even greater flexibility and ease of use, while still maintaining backward compatibility with HyperCard Stacks," states Douglas Simons, product manager and founder of Thoughtful Software. "I think we've succeeded admirably on both counts." With HyperSense, a user can quickly and easily create a wide variety of documents, including simple brochures, personal databases, interactive tutorials, and business presentations. "NeXTSTEP users have been waiting for software which would allow an average user to develop multimedia documents, complete with built-in scripts for navigating through the document," said Mr. Simons. HyperSense not only allows a user to store and organize many types of information, but also to infuse that information with additional meaning. The ability to add simple scripts to any object in a document enables the user to bring that document to life, manipulate the information it contains in virtually any way imaginable, and establish connections to information in other documents. HyperSense provides the ability to construct these "interactive documents" without complex programming, and with complete freedom to modify the structure of a document at any time. "What is unique about HyperSense software is that it brings the flexibility of Interface Builder together with a truly accessible scripting language," continues Simons. The English-like scripting language, SenseTalk, allows users almost unlimited flexibility in what they create, without requiring a large initial investment of time. The SenseTalk language itself can be extended with External Modules containing new SenseTalk commands, written in Objective-C. The NeXTSTEP user community is excited about the introduction of HyperSense. As Eric Celeste, longtime NeXT enthusiast and former editor of the Boston Computer Society's NeXT newsletter put it, "HyperSense is great. It is so nice to be able to create helpful applications so quickly again. I am very excited to have this tool in my NeXT bag of tricks." Key Features of HyperSense include: - SenseTalk Scripting Language, compatible with HyperTalk - Object Oriented Drawing, with multiple layers on a page - Word Processing, including multiple fonts, embedded graphics, and spell-checking - Data Base Creation, with both fixed formats and customization of individual pages - Importing of HyperCard Stacks - Powerful Tools for Browsing, Inspecting, and Modifying Documents - Digital Audio Recording & Editing - Button and Field Creation and Inspection Tools - Import and Export of TIFF and EPS Graphics - Custom Tool Palettes, with pre-scripted objects ready to drag into any document - XModule Developers Kit to facilitate custom extensions to the SenseTalk language The pre-release version of HyperSense is available for $299 from Thoughtful Software ($99 for students). This price includes a free upgrade to HyperSense 1.0, which is scheduled to debut to 10,000 people on May 25th at the NeXTWorld Expo in San Francisco. After May 31st, the retail price of HyperSense will be $499. HyperSense will be available later this summer in a version for Intel-based computers which are running NeXTSTEP for Intel processors. Thoughtful Software, established in 1988, creates software solutions for the NeXTSTEP environment. The company's goal is to enable every user of NeXTSTEP to access the full power of the computer for their own needs. NeXT Computer, Inc. develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NeXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures such as the Intel486 and Pentium. NeXTSTEP is used by corporate customers to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped productivity software. HyperSense and SenseTalk are trademarks of Thoughtful Software. HyperCard and HyperTalk are registered trademarks of Apple Computer, Inc. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. -30-
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Update: NeXTSTEP for Intel Processor - Developer Pre-Release CDROM Message-ID: <7137@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 23 Mar 93 00:22:51 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Hello, The NeXTSTEP Developer Pre-Release CD-ROM went out in the mail today to all supported NeXTSTEP for Intel Processor beta release sites. Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Groups <Computer professionals using Object-oriented technology today>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: todd@aussie.cmhnet.org (Todd Chamberlain) Subject: Retrieving data from NeXT floptical Message-ID: <1993Mar22.022438.1857@aussie.cmhnet.org> Keywords: NeXT optical Sender: todd@aussie.cmhnet.org (Todd M. Chamberlain) Organization: TMC Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 02:24:38 GMT I have an old NeXT optical cartridge that I would like to read. My drive still works, but this cartridge is quite scratched (it was used in a dirty drive previously). Can anyone offer any suggestions as to how I could get it to be readable again. I am also open to data retrieval services that handle NeXT optical stuff. Thanks. Todd Chamberlain todd@aussi.cmhnet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: fosdal@phenxm.physics.wisc.edu Subject: ni.h Message-ID: <1993Mar23.025215.3567@cs.wisc.edu> Followup-To: fosdal@phenxa.physics.wisc.edu Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 02:52:15 GMT Has anyone ever used the calls defined in "/NextDeveloper/Headers /netinfo/ni.h"? I have been trying to figure out how to retrieve information from netinfo through a c program but have not yet figured out a way to call these routines. Are there any examples that do it? Steven R. Fosdal UW-Madison Physics Dept. NeXT System 1150 University Ave, Madison WI 53706 Management Phone: (608)262-8947 Fax: (608)262-8628 fosdal@phenxm.physics.wisc.edu (NeXT mail o.k.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: April issue of Byte Magazine Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 13:13:18 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar22.131318.9367@cyantic.com> References: <1odmcr$adc@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> <15011@optilink.COM> <C490oG.8M2@cs.uiuc.edu> In article <C490oG.8M2@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes: >brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes: >>between the thick paper inserts, blow-in cards, and Pournelle's epic >>retelling-in-installments of a solid-state version of the Flood myth. > >I've gotten really sick of Pournelle. He actually gets paid for taking three >pages to tell how he hooked up his latest CD-ROM to his PC? That should tell >him something about PC`s! He's also self-promoting to the point of being >ridiculous about it. >-Terry Byte lost it already in the late 80's. Jerry should retire--he's just not with it. My subscription is just about finished and I doubt if they will get another one from me. This is the only way they will get the message. To get any news about advanced systems, you have to read UNIX Review, Sun Expert and a few others. -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: NS-486 24,32 bit color Message-ID: <2BAE860C.4CB2@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <1993Mar19.012604.339@eps.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 03:37:47 GMT Steve Kornreich writes > Does anybody know if NS-486 will support 24 or 32 bit color ala ND? Not the NS 3.1 FIP release - the one coming in "shrink-wrap beta" this May (and general release late summer). I asked NeXT and the answer is no. It will eventually come. Apparently the demand and technology and NeXT resources all contribute to this. Mark R. Thomsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: marsano@odi.com (Derek Marsano) Subject: For Sale: NeXTstation Message-ID: <1993Mar22.214756.16273@odi.com> Organization: Object Design Inc., Burlington, MA Date: Mon, 22 Mar 93 21:47:56 GMT NeXTstation FOR SALE (San Francisco Bay Area) * 68040 processor running at 25 mHz (15 mips) * 8 megabytes RAM * 200 megabyte hard disk * 3.5" floppy disk drive * NeXTstep 2.1 operating system * 17" megapixel monochrome display 1120x832 (2 bits/pixel) * keyboard, mouse * NeXT 400 dpi laser printer * Lotus Improv * Soft PC * Complete NeXT documentation * NeXT World magazine library * NeXT Bible Purchased new in April 1991 for $8000 BEST OFFER. I'm posting this for a friend, so please either call him directly or reply to me via email. Seller: David Hansmann (415) 899-2567 days (415) 922-8746 evenings
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: buzy@quads.uchicago.edu (Len Buzyna) Subject: DidYouKnow... Message-ID: <1993Mar23.050634.6576@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 05:06:34 GMT Today Japanese companies own the 7/11 store chain, Dunlop, Universal Pictures, Columbia Pictures, Loews Theaters, MCA Home Entertainment, Tri-Star Pictures, CBS Records, Columbia Records, Spencers stores, Ciniplex Odeon (a big part), Firestone Tires and many many more very large US companies while foreigners are prevented from owning any important Japanese concerns. Ordinary Japanese are kind wonderful people, but what their companies and government are doing is racist and wrong. To find out more about this (and get a more complete list of the above), read (JAPANYES) "Does America Say Yes To Japan?";Leclerc 1992,93 which is available on INTERNET. (most recent edition is v031993). This thoughtfully written and important article has been circulating widely in many of America's biggest corporations & universities like IBM & Harvard. When you read it (it takes about 30 minutes), you'll see why. The essay provides a frightening yet fascinating detailed, referenced overview of the Japanese industrial machine at work and how Japan practices 'business is war' strategies to target and take over strategic critical U.S. industries like high technology, popular media and heavy industry as well as influence the decisions of the US government in favor of Japan. It is a very moving piece and is filled with many verifiable and disturbing examples. You can get JAPANYES 1 of 3 ways: 1)FTP to monu6.cc.monash.edu.au it's in directory: pub/nihongo as: JAPANYES 2)The article has been posted in its entirety (in three sections however) in the misc.test & soc.culture.usa & sci.econ newsgroups. Search on the author 'buzy' or the title 'article' to find the posts. 3)Email a request for JAPANYES to ar12@midway.uchicago.edu He will email you a copy.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Goodbye to a Friend Message-ID: <2BAEA44E.5031@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 05:46:53 GMT In the midst of the Unix-NT discussion, the release of PR1 for NS/FIP, the departure of PVC, and the "whither goes thou, fond and fine NeXT?" discussions occured another event that should be noted. Jim Diamond, the sales manager for Southern California, departed NeXT last week. Jim had been the very best sales guy I had worked with. Period. Jim was (reportedly) the #1 NeXT salesman for four straight years. He was the single, leading edge for several of the major sales - LA Sheriffs, DARPA, AF (and contractors), William Morris. He believed in the product and worked with customers to find the right approach. Whenever I needed help, he provided it or provided the right contact (with that important email introducing us). When something went wrong, he made sure it turned right. When something was coming down that might affect us, he looked out for us. When I had some advise of value for NeXT, he made sure it got to the appropriate ears. Talking with other customers, this service and interest was common. His reasons for leaving have nothing to do with losing that belief in NeXT and NeXTSTEP, or being forced to leave. To the contrary, he was very highly regarded by the executive office at NeXT. Unfortunately the change at NeXT does not provide the kind of direct customer sales and service role that Jim loves and does so very well. He thrives on that direct interface. With his obligations he had to find something to sell. NeXT's shift means they will sell/market channels more than customers (as almost all software companies do). So he is gone - not to a NeXTSTEP company - and I feel the NeXTSTEP world is diminished. I thought this event was important and deserved a little space. Mark R. Thomsen TRW and Gemstone Systems
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: Re: DidYouKnow... Message-ID: <1993Mar23.084133.24656@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Mar23.050634.6576@midway.uchicago.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 08:41:33 GMT In article <1993Mar23.050634.6576@midway.uchicago.edu> buzy@quads.uchicago.edu (Len Buzyna) writes: > Today Japanese companies own the 7/11 store chain, Dunlop, Universal Pictures, > Columbia Pictures, Loews Theaters, MCA Home Entertainment, Tri-Star Pictures, > CBS Records, Columbia Records, Spencers stores, Ciniplex Odeon (a big part), > Firestone Tires and many many more very large US companies while foreigners > are prevented from owning any important Japanese concerns. Ordinary Japanese > are kind wonderful people, but what their companies and government are doing > is racist and wrong. > > To find out more about this (and get a more complete list of the above), > read (JAPANYES) "Does America Say Yes To Japan?";Leclerc 1992,93 which is > available on INTERNET. (most recent edition is v031993). This thoughtfully > written and important article has been circulating widely in many of America's > biggest corporations & universities like IBM & Harvard. When you read it (it > takes about 30 minutes), you'll see why. > > The essay provides a frightening yet fascinating detailed, referenced > overview of the Japanese industrial machine at work and how Japan practices > 'business is war' strategies to target and take over strategic critical U.S. > industries like high technology, popular media and heavy industry as well as > influence the decisions of the US government in favor of Japan. It is a very > moving piece and is filled with many verifiable and disturbing examples. > You can get JAPANYES 1 of 3 ways: > > 1)FTP to monu6.cc.monash.edu.au it's in directory: pub/nihongo as: JAPANYES > 2)The article has been posted in its entirety (in three sections however) > in the misc.test & soc.culture.usa & sci.econ newsgroups. Search on the > author 'buzy' or the title 'article' to find the posts. > 3)Email a request for JAPANYES to ar12@midway.uchicago.edu > He will email you a copy. For those who want to know more about this *interesting* topic there are some reportedly very interesting works on the "Yellow Peril" by the late Wilhelm II von Hohenzollern, Emperor of Germany. ;-}| ^ waxed moustache! Reading about it there might also free up the various comp.* groups for the irrelevant computer information for which they are intended. -- Magnus Nordborg Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) Subject: SoftPC/Serial Port Question Message-ID: <1993Mar22.180631.24818@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 18:06:31 GMT We installed a PC-based asynchronous communications program in the SoftPC environment, and used it successfully for a couple of days. However, it has stopped working on the comm port we'd originally selected and configured. SoftPC generates the following message (and no longer allows us to use /dev/ttyb): "Device used by Comms adapter could not be accessed. Check permissions. Comz = /dev/ttyb" What does this message really mean? As far as I can tell, the permissions seem fine (at least, they are no different than the permissions on /dev/ttya, which we are now using for the serial port). Even though we've got things working on the second serial port, we would like to know why the first port is not available and make it available for another application. Any help appreciated, Phil -- G. Philippe Menos gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571
From: Robert Nicholson <robert@steffi.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,mlist.next-prog Subject: Compiling libg++ under NS3.0 (libg++1.39.0) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 11:36:32 GMT Message-ID: <199303230955.AA11193@steffi.demon.co.uk> Distribution: world Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Has anybody come up with a good way to resolve the include file problems when compiling libg++1.39.0 in NeXTStep 3.0? The problems are caused by the c++ includes using directives like #include "//usr/include/sys/stat.h" Which plays havoc because of the new /usr/include tree. For the moment I am editing each include file ie. #include "/usr/include/bsd/sys/stat.h" I guess the proper way would be to change this to #include <sys/stat.h> and let the compiler find the header file? Can somebody tell me why they use two // in the #include?
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: acus02@email.mot.com (David McAnally) Subject: Boyer-Moore algorithm (bm)? Organization: MOTOROLA Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 09:28:41 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar23.092841.17925@schbbs.mot.com> Keywords: grep bm Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (Net News) I just discovered a command called "bm" on my NeXT. The manpage says... Bm searches for lines that contain one of the (newline- separated) strings, using the Boyer-Moore algorithm. It is far superior in terms of speed to the grep (egrep, fgrep) family of pattern matchers for fixed-pattern searching, and its speed increases with pattern length. Does anyone know where I can get the source to this program so I can have it on my other UNIX hosts too? The manpage also refers to... AUTHOR Peter Bain (pdbain@bnr-vpa), with modifications suggested by John Gilmore and Amir Plivatsky but I can tell what domain bnr-vpa is located in. Replies by mail are prefered. Thanks! -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | David McAnally |Internet: acus02@email.mot.com | | Motorola Corp. Computer Services | Next: acus02@ems13.corp.mot.com | | CS / Application Engineering | IINMAIL: USMOTWTT | | M/D AZ49 R3148 | AT&T Easylink ELN: 62867057 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: FTP -> Tape (Can it be done) Message-ID: <1993Mar23.141017.15515@socrates.umd.edu> Keywords: FTP, Tape drive Organization: University of Maryland University College Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 14:10:17 GMT I want to ftp in a large distribution. Is it possible to ftp it directly to the (SCSI) tape drive so that I don't fill a lot of disk space? Thanks, Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: Robert Nicholson <robert@steffi.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,mlist.next-prog Subject: Re: Compiling libg++ under NS3.0 (libg++1.39.0) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 14:38:31 GMT Message-ID: <199303231151.AA01770@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1ommpj$ati@steffi.demon.co.uk> Distribution: world Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Further to my libg++-1.39.0 under NeXTStep enquires make tests produces a diff with the following checkdiffs has this ie. only failed one test 460c460 < < -2.22045e-16 : 36 --- > < -1.0842e-19 : 36 Has anybody else encountered this?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) Subject: rtf to ascii Message-ID: <1993Mar23.153915.22920@ornl.gov> Sender: usenet@ornl.gov (News poster) Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 15:39:15 GMT If I receive a rtf file and am remotely logged into my next, how can I convert the rtf to ascii to read it via telnet? - - - - - - - - - J. W. Wooten
From: jack@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com (Jack Gidding) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted: NeXT Sound (NYSE) Message-ID: <4149@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com> Date: 23 Mar 93 14:31:59 GMT Sender: news@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com Anyone have a NeXT sound of the closing bell at the New York Stock Exchange? advTHANKSance, --- Jack Gidding Sr. Development Engineer Reuters 1400 Kensington Road Oak Brook,IL 60521 jack@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com NeXT mail welcome! ----------------------------------------------------------- "Credit is a euphemism for debt." - Billy McKenzie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: antoine@arrakis.osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Subject: Re: rtf to ascii Message-ID: <1993Mar23.163914.20963@cerberus.ulaval.ca> Sender: news@cerberus.ulaval.ca Organization: Universite Laval References: <1993Mar23.153915.22920@ornl.gov> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 16:39:14 GMT In article <1993Mar23.153915.22920@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) writes: :> If I receive a rtf file and am remotely logged into my next, how can I :> convert the rtf to ascii to read it via telnet? :> :> - - - - - - - - - :> J. W. Wooten read it in EDIT.app and do cmd-R Cheers! -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Antoine Gautier | | Departement OSD, FSA | | Universite Laval, Quebec, PQ | +-------------------------------------------------------+
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Disk Compression for NeXTSTEP? Message-ID: <46.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 07:02:16 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA On-the-fly disk compression is a current rage in the DOS world. It would seem feasible for the file system model in NeXTSTEP as well. Does anyone wish to comment? My experience has been that you do get nearly twice the space for little if any measurable performance degradation. (Reduced physical I/O seems to compensate for increased driver overhead.) UNIX mileage may vary, since a multiprocessing system may be more severely impacted by the driver overhead than DOS. This is a technical question...defer legal issues to STAC/Microsoft's patent commandos. :) --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) Subject: SUMMARY Mounting CDROM Over Network Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Mar23.172458.95947@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 17:24:58 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Keywords: cdrom network mount exports Original Problem: > i have a NeXT cd player on my server. i would like to throw > a disk in there and nfs mount it to another NeXT. > > the mount works, the remote machine can view the files on the > disk in the various subdirectories but hangs when trying any > other operation (ie cat, cp, vi, etc) on files on the disk. well, i received plenty of responses from those with the same problem and wanting an answer but the only got one suggestion from paul sears: >Well, I have one suggestion. Did you export the CD-Rom as read-only? I >was told by a Tech person at NeXT that it is only safe to export the >CD-Rom read-only. This also applies if you are mounting the disk via >/etc/fstab. Mount it read-only, ie: > >/dev/sd1h /CD-Rom 4.3 ro,noquota 0 0 ..and one possible reason for the problem from dave anstine: >I'd wager that these programs need to create tmp files to run >properly, which they couldn't do on CD-ROM. No solution here. i tried all combinations of exporting and mounting but nothing solved the problem. so, as far as i know, what i wish to do cannot be done *at this time*. kelley wittmeyer dept of atmospheric science colorado state university
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fell@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: slip Message-ID: <1993Mar23.175828.7599@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 17:58:28 GMT At what archive site can one find slip suitable for the Next running 3.0? Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Ivan Vesely) Subject: Re: April issue of Byte Magazine Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 18:21:41 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar23.182141.10025@julian.uwo.ca> References: <1odmcr$adc@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) In article <1odmcr$adc@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> writes: > In article <1odcviINNmb0@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John > G Shirlaw) writes: > > Unfortunatly in my opinon BYTE has sunk to the relms of just another PC > magazine > > with the occasional reference to other systems so that they can justify their > > clame to be a small systems magazine. Now it only gets covered if it has a > X86 > > in it. well with the odd Mac. Personaly I have realy gone off BYTE as a > > magazine, if you hadn't already figured that out. > > > > john. > > Ditto! I, too, let my subscription run out and will NOT renew. > Me too, Byte has consistently failed to be objective in evaluating software technology, and giving the least bit of exposure to NeXT. The last few issues have really ticked me off. Who needs the aggravation? I've let my subscription run out and will NOT renew! -- Ivan Vesely, Electrical Engineering and Medical Biophysics University of Western Ontario, vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) Subject: NS/FIP Prices - what are they? Message-ID: <yikesC4CtEr.AqC@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 18:16:03 GMT Does anyone have the low-down on NS/FIP prices? Are the prices $995/$2495 or $795/$1995? Thanks, ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) -- ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Ivan Vesely) Subject: Re: How many People Still Running 2.x Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 18:28:16 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar23.182816.11193@julian.uwo.ca> References: <1151@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) It looks like I'm in the minority. I'm still running 2.1 on both of my machines. The main reason I did not upgrade to 3.0 was because of the horror stories I've been hearing on the net (YEST this net) about all the things that have gone wrong with 3.0, particularly the problem with WordPerfect. I use WP daily, along with a few commercial packages and lots of public domain stuff, and I didn't want to spend a lot of time upgrading for a marginal benefit. In my mind, the benefit would be marginal because we have monochrome machines only, we don't use any data base utilities, and have SGI machines for the 3-D stuff. Basically, if it works, don't fix it... -- Ivan Vesely, Electrical Engineering and Medical Biophysics University of Western Ontario, vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Grammer checker for NeXT Message-ID: <8009@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 23 Mar 93 19:44:08 GMT References: <7978@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Distribution: usa In article <7978@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) writes: ] Ahh, no, that is not the problem here. Diction, and several other text ] processing programs of this sort, cannot read the direct output from Edit for ] the simple reason that there are no line breaks, and the super-long single ] line overloads the input buffers of those programs! ] ] The solution I found is to change all commands of that sort (in your ] ..commanddict) to: ] ] Diction Y cat $selection | nroff -ms | diction I forgot an important element: you must enclose $selection in double quotes to get it passed into nroff as a single string. So my .commanddict has: Diction Y cat "$selection" | nroff -ms | diction An I have been informed that there *are* much faster ways to do this than via nroff, including "fold" and "fmt". -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: 2Bit Greyscale for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Mar23.202521.2247@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 20:25:21 GMT I have a client who is investigating NS/FIP workstations. His custom app only really requires 2Bit Greyscale. Are any of the beta testers out there running such a system? What results? What reccomendations? What I'm really shooting for is a system that has a monitor as nice as the NeXT MegaPixel display. (ie same size, clarity, etc.). Any feedback appreciated. Matthew Stecker mSys consulting. --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yue@loon.Stanford.EDU (Kenneth C. Yue) Subject: Re: rtf to ascii Message-ID: <1993Mar23.215704.4860@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University, CA, USA References: <1993Mar23.153915.22920@ornl.gov> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 21:57:04 GMT In article <1993Mar23.153915.22920@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov writes: >If I receive a rtf file and am remotely logged into my next, how can I >convert the rtf to ascii to read it via telnet? /usr/lib/indexing/rtf-ascii Ken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell) Subject: Re: Goodbye to a Friend Message-ID: <1993Mar23.183208.895@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <2BAEA44E.5031@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 18:32:08 GMT In article <2BAEA44E.5031@deneva.sdd.trw.com> thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) writes: > Jim Diamond, the sales manager for Southern California, departed NeXT last > week. [...] > His reasons for leaving have nothing to do with losing that belief in NeXT and > NeXTSTEP, or being forced to leave. To the contrary, he was very highly > regarded by the executive office at NeXT. Unfortunately the change at NeXT does > not provide the kind of direct customer sales and service role that Jim loves > and does so very well. He thrives on that direct interface. With his > obligations he had to find something to sell. NeXT's shift means they will ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > sell/market channels more than customers (as almost all software companies do). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Granted I'm utterly ignorant of the financial costs, but it seems to me NeXT would be *best* served by having personal sales reps working with (at least the large) customers to solve their problems with NeXTSTEP. This could be another of the many things NeXT does better than every other computer company, and it would give NeXT a customer "hook" to counter Microsoft's cheap-as-dirt pricing and its name recognition. But of course NeXT would have to hire sales people and techies who do nothing but support customers, and this costs money, which NeXT doesn't have in abundance right now. And NeXT, IMHO, has never recognized that the "clueless" end-users pay the bills. -- Frank Mitchell email(work): frank@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) (home): frank@gagme.chi.il.us "Y'know, there are times like this when I wish I had an act." -- David Letterman (in a monologue)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: teb@blencoe2.chem.ornl.gov (Timothy E. Burch) Subject: Connecting a Mac to a NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar23.224946.16653@ornl.gov> Sender: usenet@ornl.gov (News poster) Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 22:49:46 GMT I'm looking for info. about connecting a Mac and a NeXT. I need to port a large number of files between the two on a regular basis. What is required to connect SCSI to SCSI? Is there some communications software needed? I'm a novice at this, so any info. would appreciated. I have a 25 Mhz 040 NeXTcube and a Mac Classic II. Please respond by e-mail to: teb@blencoe2.chem.ornl.gov. Thanks, Tim
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Boyer-Moore algorithm (bm)? In-Reply-To: acus02@email.mot.com's message of Tue, 23 Mar 1993 09:28:41 GMT To: acus02@email.mot.com (David McAnally) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar23113418@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Mar23.092841.17925@schbbs.mot.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 15:34:17 GMT In article <1993Mar23.092841.17925@schbbs.mot.com> acus02@email.mot.com (David McAnally) writes: I just discovered a command called "bm" on my NeXT. The manpage says... Bm searches for lines that contain one of the (newline- separated) strings, using the Boyer-Moore algorithm. It is far superior in terms of speed to the grep (egrep, fgrep) family of pattern matchers for fixed-pattern searching, and its speed increases with pattern length. Does anyone know where I can get the source to this program so I can have it on my other UNIX hosts too? The manpage also refers to... AUTHOR Peter Bain (pdbain@bnr-vpa), with modifications suggested by John Gilmore and Amir Plivatsky but I can tell what domain bnr-vpa is located in. Replies by mail are prefered. Thanks! Don't bother. % cd ~/Mailboxes/OldMail.mbox % ll mbox -rw-r--r-- 1 cedman other 6150400 Mar 23 10:11 mbox % time /bin/grep 'Carl Edman' mbox >/dev/null 17.017s real 8.649s user 5.411s system 82% % time /usr/bin/bm 'Carl Edman' mbox >/dev/null 4.459s real 1.233s user 3.032s system 95% % time /usr/local/bin/ggrep 'Carl Edman' mbox >/dev/null # This is GNU grep 3.384s real 0.874s user 2.391s system 96% Instead get GNU grep from prep.ai.mit.edu. It automatically uses Boyer-Moore as an optimization whenever possible. Carl Edman
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: slip Date: 24 Mar 1993 00:39:44 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1ooakgINNfje@ni.umd.edu> References: <1993Mar23.175828.7599@news.cs.brandeis.edu> In article <1993Mar23.175828.7599@news.cs.brandeis.edu> fell@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes: >At what archive site can one find slip suitable for the Next running 3.0? Look on sonata.cc.purdue.edu and get /pub/next/2.0/binaries/SLIP19920904A.tar Louis Mamakos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: How do I tell Mail.app to stop compressing a pkg file? Message-ID: <1993Mar24.015036.20525@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 01:50:36 GMT Hi, Has anybody found out a way to stop Mail.app from compressing the already compressed *.pkg file? I think the repeated compression just make the size larger than ever. Thanks -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Old Squash Message-ID: <1993Mar23.223642.19909@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 23 Mar 93 22:36:42 GMT Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. I've ftp'd the SimonSays demo from sonata (SimonSays1.1a.squfold) but cannot unsquash it. Unsquash complains that it was done with an old version of squash, and refuses to unsquash it. a) Where can I get a version that will unsquash it? I have version "Beta C". b) Isn't it silly to make a compression app that can't read it's own files from old versions? -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.tcl From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: tcl - Can anyone tell me how to get a clean build under NextStep 3.0? Message-ID: <1993Mar23.234553.3541@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 23:45:53 GMT I've been trying to build tcl 6.7 but the best I've been able to get is: reddog-23-15:01 lang/expect-tcl/tcl6.7 156% ./config - Substitutes will be used for the following header files, which aren't in /usr/include/ansi or aren't complete: dirent.h - The type pid_t isn't defined in <sys/types.h> so Tcl will use "int" instead. But then when I "make": cc -O -I. -DTCL_LIBRARY=\"/usr/local/lib/tcl\" -c tclUnixAZ.c tclUnixAZ.c: In function `Tcl_TimeCmd': tclUnixAZ.c:1549: storage size of `start' isn't known tclUnixAZ.c:1549: storage size of `stop' isn't known tclUnixAZ.c:1550: storage size of `tz' isn't known tclUnixAZ.c:1569: `start' undeclared (first use this function) tclUnixAZ.c:1569: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once tclUnixAZ.c:1569: for each function it appears in.) tclUnixAZ.c:1569: `tz' undeclared (first use this function) tclUnixAZ.c:1586: `stop' undeclared (first use this function) tclUnixAZ.c:1588: expression statement has incomplete type *** Exit 1 Stop. I thought tcl was being used for some SLIP things, and hope someone with a little more sophistication might be able to tell me how to clear things up. Thanks! - Irving -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com Happy Man Corp. 206/463-9399 x101 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 fax x108 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info free; sample $20. Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Control: cancel <1993Mar23.050634.6576@midway.uchicago.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.northstar,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: news@wakinyan.uchicago.edu (Newsmistress) Subject: cmsg cancel <1993Mar23.050634.6576@midway.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <1993Mar24.030225.6832@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations References: <1993Mar23.050634.6576@midway.uchicago.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 03:02:25 GMT <1993Mar23.050634.6576@midway.uchicago.edu> was cancelled from within trn.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oops!root (Operator) Subject: Test Message-ID: <1993Mar23.191956.4038@oops.se> Sender: root@oops.se (Operator) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 19:19:56 GMT ....please ignore this.... thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oops!root (Operator) Subject: test Message-ID: <1993Mar23.192209.4104@oops.se> Sender: root@oops.se (Operator) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 19:22:09 GMT ...pleasee ignore...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Subject: MAC PS -> NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar24.034414.23857@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Distribution: na Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 03:44:14 GMT I just tried to take a postcript file (2.0) generated by MS-WORD on a Mac Powerbook 160 and tried to print it out on our v3.0 Next systems. Preview complained about responses from the file it couldnt deal with and gave zilch. The errors to the Console where numerous. I popped the file into Edit, but my knowledge of postscript is minimal. It appeared that the file did not contain carriage returns anywhere. I thought that at least for the the first few lines containing %%, that this was required. Any suggestions on how to make the file usable on a NeXT? (The Macs take NeXT eps files just fine). -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for Sam Goldberger/Spherical Solutions Message-ID: <12051@news.duke.edu> Date: 24 Mar 93 04:24:24 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu Sorry to bug everybody with this. I need to get in touch with Sam Goldberger at Spherical Solutions, but I've lost his email address and phone number. Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
From: jmeacham@world.std.com (James Meacham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Any way to get mail to UUCP w/out bang address? Keywords: next, mail, uucp, Message-ID: <C4Dpv9.EB7@world.std.com> Date: 24 Mar 93 05:57:08 GMT Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Hello out there! I'm trying to get my machine fully functional for dial-in access. Problem is that my terminal newreader (pine) is awful unfriendly to old UUCP bang-style address (holonet!ants.edu!jmeacham). Is there any way to get my machine to automatically send mail through my sole UUCP feed, since I don't have a direct net connection. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks James Meacham Andover Newton Theological School
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: DidYouKnow... Message-ID: <tlm.732952334@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Mar23.050634.6576@midway.uchicago.edu> <1993Mar23.084133.24656@leland.Stanford.EDU> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 05:52:14 GMT In <1993Mar23.084133.24656@leland.Stanford.EDU> magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes: >In article <1993Mar23.050634.6576@midway.uchicago.edu> >buzy@quads.uchicago.edu (Len Buzyna) writes: >> Today Japanese companies own the 7/11 store chain, Dunlop, >Universal Pictures, >> Columbia Pictures, Loews Theaters, MCA Home Entertainment, Tri-Star >Pictures, >> CBS Records, Columbia Records, Spencers stores, Ciniplex Odeon (a >big part), >> Firestone Tires and many many more very large US companies while >foreigners >> are prevented from owning any important Japanese concerns. Ordinary >Japanese >> are kind wonderful people, but what their companies and government >are doing >> is racist and wrong. >> >> To find out more about this (and get a more complete list of >the above), >> read (JAPANYES) "Does America Say Yes To Japan?";Leclerc 1992,93 >which is >> available on INTERNET. (most recent edition is v031993). This >thoughtfully >> written and important article has been circulating widely in many >of America's >> biggest corporations & universities like IBM & Harvard. When you >read it (it >> takes about 30 minutes), you'll see why. >> >> The essay provides a frightening yet fascinating detailed, >referenced >> overview of the Japanese industrial machine at work and how Japan >practices >> 'business is war' strategies to target and take over strategic >critical U.S. >> industries like high technology, popular media and heavy industry >as well as >> influence the decisions of the US government in favor of Japan. It >is a very >> moving piece and is filled with many verifiable and disturbing >examples. >> You can get JAPANYES 1 of 3 ways: >> >> 1)FTP to monu6.cc.monash.edu.au it's in directory: pub/nihongo >as: JAPANYES >> 2)The article has been posted in its entirety (in three sections >however) >> in the misc.test & soc.culture.usa & sci.econ newsgroups. Search >on the >> author 'buzy' or the title 'article' to find the posts. >> 3)Email a request for JAPANYES to ar12@midway.uchicago.edu >> He will email you a copy. >For those who want to know more about this *interesting* topic there >are some reportedly very interesting works on the "Yellow Peril" by >the late Wilhelm II von Hohenzollern, Emperor of Germany. ;-}| > ^ > waxed moustache! >Reading about it there might also free up the various comp.* groups >for the irrelevant computer information for which they are intended. These people are the news group equivalent of the airport hari krishnas. The amazing thing is that they make all of this effort to push this article, which I was foolish enough to ask for, and which reads like a high school term paper. Research article? Hah. Nothing there a regular reader of Time or Newsweek wouldn't know, and anybody who glances through the WSJ or somefinancial rag could run rings around the author. Not to mention broken syntax, unbelievable mis-spellings ("Shawn" Connery? Who's that?) and a level of logic that barely makes a bow at concealing the authors' prejudices. No doubt there are real issues here, and reasons to be concerned, but this is truly an example of blatant Japan bashing. I'll take Magnus' advice and read Wilhelm II next time :) TLM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.tcl From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Re: tcl - Can anyone tell me how to get a clean build under NextStep 3.0? Message-ID: <1993Mar24.054649.8453@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 References: <1993Mar23.234553.3541@Happy-Man.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 05:46:49 GMT In <1993Mar23.234553.3541@Happy-Man.com> irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) writes: >I've been trying to build tcl 6.7 but the best I've been able ... Michael B. Johnson <wave@media.mit.edu> quickly provided the answer: >put #include <sys/time.h> somewhere near the top of tclUnixAZ.c Thanks! (I'm posting the answer on general principles, but primarily to save any other experts who might have answered the trouble.) -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com Happy Man Corp. 206/463-9399 x101 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 fax x108 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info free; sample $20. Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Connecting a Mac to a NeXT Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 02:04:24 -0500 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Afg0TsW00WB21V4w8_@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1993Mar23.224946.16653@ornl.gov> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 23-Mar-93 Connecting a Mac to a NeXT by Timothy E. Burch@blencoe > I'm looking for info. about connecting a Mac and a NeXT. I need to > port a large number of files between the two on a regular basis. What is > required to connect SCSI to SCSI? Is there some communications software > needed? I'm a novice at this, so any info. would appreciated. I have a > 25 Mhz 040 NeXTcube and a Mac Classic II. Please respond by e-mail to: > teb@blencoe2.chem.ornl.gov. There's apparently a protocol for multiple SCSI controllers on a SCSI bus, but I can guarantee you that neither the NeXT nor the Mac has controllers that support this standard. Connecting both machines to the same drive will probably fry one or both controllers. (It may not, but I'm not going to experiment on *my* machine.... ;-) In any event, it definitely won't work. Try using a null modem cable and something like zmodem or kermit. You can probably move data between the two machines at 5K/second or so. If you need to do things faster, then consider getting an ethernet card for the Mac (if a Mac classic can do ethernet) and you can get 500K/sec transfer rates. You'd need to get some additional software for the Mac if you do this. A mac version of NFS would be ideal for what it sounds like you want to do. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: Goodbye to a Friend (Clarification) Message-ID: <2BB00D56.AFC@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <C4Cx27.1xB@netnews.jhuapl.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 07:27:16 GMT Chuck Waltrip writes > I wrote: > > NeXT's shift means they will sell/market channels more than > > customers (as almost all software companies do). > > Major mistake by NeXT. Who's the distribution channel for > mission critical apps? There ain't one! You've got to call > on the customers. Let me make sure I am clear on this. I now see room for misinterpretation that does no one good. NeXT won't abandon customers; least of all the big ones. But channel marketing and channel sales loom as much larger when you are dependent upon other sales - like selling software that depends upon computer hardware. NeXT, logically, must work the HPs, Dells, Compaqs, NECs, Epsons, et.al. like a demon. Channel sales ultimately carry software companies to the big time. NeXT appears to still be very active in marketing and sales, going after big game. I still get answers to email and phone calls, albeit a bit crossed from time to time as NeXT sorts out roles and responsibilities. The essence of my posting was intended to be that Jim left, that he was (and probably still is :<) a superb professional and customer interface, and that he was not tossed on his ear by an uncaring corporation. Please, don't interpret my original posting as saying NeXT is abandoning the direct customer interface. The tiering will just adjust (appropriately) to the kind of organization they must become to try becoming a success on a larger scale. Mark R. Thomsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: OMRON microswitch desperately wanted Message-ID: <1993Mar23.202909.24973@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 20:29:09 GMT Help! The left button of my NeXT mouse (old style) broke, and I can't get a replacement mouse any more. I soldered the microswitch from the right button to replace the left one, but it's only a matter of time till this one breaks, too (the mouse if >4 years old). So I need one or two replacement switches urgently, and they are not available in Germany (checked with the biggest resellers here - nope). It would be extremely friendly if one of you guys could help me out by buying and reselling me the switches. The part is an OMRON 1668RAE D2F - 01 Please email if you're willing to make the deal. I'll pay for the switches, your mailing cost, plus a bonus for the inconvenience. (Or I'll send you something similarly priced that you would like from Germany) -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, Windows, IBM-PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType, Survival of the shittest.
From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What Intel box? Keywords: Intel,ANDI,NeXTSTEP,GX Message-ID: <C4CGs4.Jx3@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: 23 Mar 93 13:43:15 GMT References: <1993Mar20.052822.17344@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International In article <1993Mar20.052822.17344@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria) writes: > Hi, > Does anybody know what Intel machine on the cover of NeXTWORLD magazine? > (April/May edition). Does this machine have an eject button on its > floppy drive? It is the Intel Professional GX Workstation. It does have an eject button for the the floppy which is a 1.44MB 3 1/2 inch drive. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Lucky GoldStar Keywords: Goldstar,ANDI,Intel,NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <C4CH8K.K0J@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: 23 Mar 93 13:53:07 GMT References: <1993Mar14.185937.65157@cc.usu.edu> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International In article <1993Mar14.185937.65157@cc.usu.edu> edx@cc.usu.edu writes: > In article <1993Mar14.213632.470@talus.com>, ed@talus.com writes: > > > > Hi there, > > > > anybody has a 1-800 number for GoldStar ? Those people are incredible : they don't advertise > > anywhere ! Their name is never mentionned in the ressource guides. And they are supposed to > > support NS486 ? Makes me laugh... > > Goldstar does not publish their number as they are only selling their systems through their direct sales force. They have no plans to offer their product through the reseller channel. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: ed@talus.com Subject: NeXTSTEP for Intel Discussions. Message-ID: <1993Mar24.042859.374@talus.com> Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 04:28:59 GMT Hi there, I was wondering if anyone knew to what degree Beta Testers for NS486 are allowed to talk about NS486 on the Net (Compatibility, Performance, Problems, Hot Stuff, Bugs...) Can we legally discuss freely about it ? Or does our licence agreement impose silence ? Also I'd suggets to use NS/I for NeXTSTEP for Intels and NS/M for NeXTSTEP for Motorola 68k Maybe we'll soon be able to use NS/S, NS/HP, NS/P, NS/A... (though I don't think it is anywhere near) Thanks in advance for answers... Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" · Talus Corporation We are so very far from home. All of us.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NS/FIP Prices - what are they? Message-ID: <1993Mar23.215605.7382@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <yikesC4CtEr.AqC@netcom.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 21:56:05 GMT In article <yikesC4CtEr.AqC@netcom.com> yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) writes: > > Does anyone have the low-down on NS/FIP prices? Are the prices > $995/$2495 or $795/$1995? The latter. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mueller@n1 (Robert Mueller) Subject: Requiem on the NeXT Message-ID: <1DWBBRJW@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Sender: usenet@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de (USENET News System) Organization: Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 10:11:08 GMT Hi, has anybody yet managed to compile and run the relational Database REQUIEM on the NeXT? Your responses will be welcome ... Thanks in advance Robert Mueller University of Mainz Germany
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Disk Compression for NeXTSTEP? Message-ID: <1993Mar24.041727.22385@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 24 Mar 93 04:17:27 GMT References: <46.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. Peter Kron (pkron@corona.com) wrote: : On-the-fly disk compression is a current rage in the DOS world. It would : seem feasible for the file system model in NeXTSTEP as well. Does anyone : wish to comment? I'd love to see this. It would probably require a kernel hack-you'd have to patch the functions for opening files so that they would call a decompression routine. Could be pretty messy. Anyone want to try? Start off with simply piping through compress, and work up to a highly optimized algorithm. : My experience has been that you do get nearly twice the space for little : if any measurable performance degradation. (Reduced physical I/O seems : to compensate for increased driver overhead.) UNIX mileage may vary, : since a multiprocessing system may be more severely impacted by the : driver overhead than DOS. AutoDoubler on Mac is great. (For those unfamiliar with it, it automatically decompresses on opening. While you work on other things, it recompresses files in the background. It periodically scans for uncompressed files.) Theres almost no delay on my 16MHz SE/30. Compression seems to take longer, but since it's done in the background, it doesn't matter. Everything keeps its original "identity"- icons are the same, if you double-click an Excel document it starts Excel. Even applications can be kept compressed. The decompression app is never even seen. Automatic compression would be great on a NeXT. All your code, all the unix apps, all the docs, all the examples compressed, but available for use almost instantaneously. A developer system could probably fit quite nicely in 200 Megs. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP for Intel Discussions. Message-ID: <1993Mar24.124603.12564@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park References: <1993Mar24.042859.374@talus.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 12:46:03 GMT In article <1993Mar24.042859.374@talus.com> ed@talus.com writes: > >Also I'd suggets to use NS/I for NeXTSTEP for Intels > and NS/M for NeXTSTEP for Motorola 68k Pushing my skepticism aside for the moment, it's probably a bad idea to abbreviate company wise, wrt: Motorola. While Intel seems unlikely to produce the next super microprocessor that isn't the next progression of the x86, Motorola will surely be producing the PowerPC. (Have they second sourced it?) Ideally, the abbreviations will prevent confusion (i.e., NS/M--68k or PPC?). So how about we stick to the processor line? That is, NS/I is fine, since I don't see Intel producing anything that will take over the marketplace except the ?Hexium, so there is no chance for confusion. NS/68k or NS/M68 for the version on Motorola 68k processors (I prefer the latter of the two) NS/88k or NS/M88 for the 88k version (assuming the 88k isn't solidly dead in the water) This leaves room for the future: NS/A Alpha (instead of For Dec Processors, which would definately be confusing, but consistent with the proposed [in quoted section] Motorola and Intel names) NS/PPC PowerPC (which, from Motorola, might be confusing for those who have never heard of the Motorola 68k version, which is a good possibility if NS/I takes off [and if it doesn't, this doesn't matter at all]) NS/SPARC Sparc (I couldn't come up with anything better for this one--NS/S is too generic, and any other abbeviation seems a waste) NS/PA HP's PA RISC ... and so on Since what is important is the _processor_ and not the manufacturer, I think NeXT made a mistake with FIP instead of NS/86, but it's not like they had any choice. And manufacturer will definately cause confusion if there is ever a MIPS version.. ("Does NS/MIPS work on my NEC chip? Or only...").. >Maybe we'll soon be able to use NS/S, NS/HP, NS/P, > NS/A... (though I don't think it is anywhere >near) NS/S == NS/SPARC? NS/SUN? (I can't even figure out what NS/P is, since you have an HP..) (PowerPC?) -- Economic planning? Reduce the deficit by 1997? The Soviets had economic plans, too.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jashley@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (J. Michael Ashley) Subject: Re: OMRON microswitch desperately wanted Message-ID: <C4ECqD.Ip4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Indiana University References: <1993Mar23.202909.24973@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 14:10:59 GMT In article <1993Mar23.202909.24973@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: >Help! >The left button of my NeXT mouse (old style) broke, and I can't get a >replacement mouse any more. [...] The part is an > OMRON 1668RAE > D2F - 01 My left mouse button also broke several months ago, and I also couldn't find an exact replacement for the button inside my mouse. But I did find a switch that works just dandy. It's made by Cherry. According to the Digi-Key catalog I have in front of me, the Cherry part number is: DG2C-B1AA The Digi-Key part number is: CH167-ND Digi-Key's phone number for orders (including catalog requests I presume) is 1-800-DIGIKEY. Their service number is (218) 681-6674. Perhaps you can find this switch in Germany, and I hope this helps everybody else as their old mice start to wear out. Mike
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP for Intel Discussions. Date: 24 Mar 1993 15:22:21 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1opubdINNm6c@ni.umd.edu> References: <1993Mar24.042859.374@talus.com> In article <1993Mar24.042859.374@talus.com> ed@talus.com writes: > >Hi there, > >I was wondering if anyone knew to what degree Beta Testers for NS486 are allowed to talk about >NS486 on the Net (Compatibility, Performance, Problems, Hot Stuff, Bugs...) > >Can we legally discuss freely about it ? Or does our licence agreement impose silence ? Didn't you read the "NeXT Pre-Release Software License Agreeement" that accompanied the CD? I direct your attention to paragraph 2, "CONFIDENTIALITY": 2. CONFIDENTIALITY. You understand that all information regarding your possion and use of the NeXT Software (including functions, features, performance, bugs, appearance, etc.) is strictly confidential. You agree not to distribute or disclose outside your organization, or circulate within your organziation, the NeXT Software or any information regarding the existance of the NeXT Software, except as necessary for you personally to use and test the NeXT Software, until such time as NeXT has publicly distributed such software or publicly announced such information. Strictly speaking, you can't even admit that you have the NS/Intel software according to this provision, but NeXT has already made this information known. It still seems pretty clear to me, at least, that you can't discuss much of anything else in public. [I'm not a lawyer, and don't even play one on the net. In fact, I have a lawyer that I pay large sums of money to on occasion that worries about this sort of stuff for me. If you want an opinion on what YOU can or can't do, perhaps you should pay a lawyer large sums of money too..] Louis Mamakos
From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: searching for old-style keyboards Message-ID: <33127@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 24 Mar 93 15:24:43 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Hello - Don't need them yet,but thought we would check out there to see if any of the VAR's or dealers might have or know where one might be able to obtain the old-style keyboards for non-turbo units. We would like to get maybe 4 or 5 to hold onto if one of ours goes down. The fac- tory had some, but i understand that they sold out pretty quick. Thanks for any and all help. Bob K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: rtf to ascii Message-ID: <1993Mar24.150236.18352@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <1993Mar23.153915.22920@ornl.gov> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 15:02:36 GMT In article <1993Mar23.153915.22920@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) writes: > If I receive a rtf file and am remotely logged into my next, how can I > convert the rtf to ascii to read it via telnet? > try "/usr/bin/rtf-ascii filename | more".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) Subject: Any dsp software and hardware for lab work? Message-ID: <1993Mar24.152559.25318@ornl.gov> Sender: usenet@ornl.gov (News poster) Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 15:25:59 GMT We have a classroom with 12 Turbo NeXTs that we use for teaching computing and networking to teachers and students. I would like to know if anyone has developed hardware and software to use the dsp for labl measurements such as temperature, Ph, motion, etc. We'd like to add a science component to our classes where we take data, graph it and combine it for the classroom. - - - - - - - - - J. W. Wooten
From: rognant@taloa.unice.fr (Rognant) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXtStep on Mac's? Date: 24 Mar 1993 17:43:41 +0100 Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis Distribution: world Message-ID: <1oq33tINNph0@taloa.unice.fr> Does anyones knows if the NeXtStep will be installed on macs. I got a mac but i working on NeXT , and i must recognize that it's the best develloping environement i ever worked on , and so i would like to work with it on my mac. Loic ROGNANT UNIVERSITE de NICE SOPHIA ANTIPOLIS - FRANCE
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mike@media-lab.mit.edu (Michael Hawley) Subject: Re: rtf to ascii Message-ID: <1993Mar24.005543.26555@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1993Mar23.215704.4860@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 00:55:43 GMT In article <1993Mar23.153915.22920@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov writes: >If I receive a rtf file and am remotely logged into my next, how can I >convert the rtf to ascii to read it via telnet? - - - rtf-ascii.l: - - - %{ /* A Lex grammar for Microsoft RTF (Rich Text Format). Rewritten (from my original rtfa program) with numerous modifications to accommodate NeXTSTEP 3.0 .rtfd, .attach, links, markers, and for the rtf-tolerant C preprocessor. (Dec 1992). M. J. Hawley MIT Media Laboratory 20 Ames Street Cambridge, MA 02139 mike@media-lab.mit.edu */ /* * Now, pay attention! Nothing up my sleeve... */ #define Case break; case #define Default break; default char *_arg, *_argp, *av0; /* use by 'for_each_argument */ #define argument (_arg=(*_argp?_argp:av[++i==ac?--i: i]),_argp+=strlen(_argp),_arg) #define for_each_argument av0=av[0]; for (i=1;i<ac && *av[i]=='-';i++)\ for (_argp = &av[i][1]; *_argp;)\ switch(*_argp++) int p; /* used only for attachments */ int PrintNonAscii = 1; /* cvt non-ascii to something printable */ int PrintAttachments = 1; /* print a note about an attached item */ char *LeftBracket = "/*", /* for output of attachment names */ *RightBracket = "*/"; Getc(f) FILE *f; { /* front end to convert non-ascii characters */ char c; int x; static char s[8], *sp = (char *)0; static char *S[] = {0,"A`","A'","A^","A~","A:","A*","C,", "E`","E'","E^","E:","I`","I'","I^","I:", "-D","N~","O`","O'","O^","O~","O:","U`", "U'","U^","U:","Y'","b","u","x","/", "(c)","!","c","L","/","Y","f","S", "*","'","``","<<","<",">","fi","fl", "(R)","-","+","++",".","|","P","*", ",",",,","''",">>","...","%.","-","?", "1","`","'","^","~","-","u",".", ":","2",".",",","3","\"",",","v", "--","+-","1/4","1/2","3/4","a`","a'","a^", "a~","a:","a*","c,","e`","e'","e^","e:", "i`","AE","i'","a","i^","i:","d","n~", "L/","O/","OE","o","o`","o'","o^","o~", "o:","ae","u`","u'","u^","i","u:","y'", "|","o","oe","B","b","y:"}; if (sp){ c = *sp++; if (!*sp) sp = (char *)0; return c; } x = getc(f); if (!PrintNonAscii || x <= 0177) return (char)x; if (x > 0200 && x < 0376 && x != 0254) strcpy(sp=s,S[x-0200]); if (!s) return (char)x; return Getc(f); } #undef input #define input() (((yytchar=yysptr>yysbuf?U(*--yysptr):Getc(yyin))==10?(yylineno++,yytcha r):yytchar)==EOF?0:yytchar) %} %e 2000 %p 5000 %o 2000 %n 1000 %a 2500 num [-]?[0-9]+\ ? 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From: nagler@wat2213.ucr.edu (jonathan nagler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect Announces WordPerfect For NeXTSTEP (Interim release 1.01) Message-ID: <27995@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: 24 Mar 93 18:55:42 GMT References: <7100@rosie.NeXT.COM> Sender: news@galaxy.ucr.edu > "The new development does not change WordPerfect Corporation's > commitment to continue development on a future version of WordPerfect > for NeXT that will be feature and file compatible with its DOS and > Windows counterparts," Mella said. > Well how long could it possibly take to port the only feature of 5.1 that some of us want: equations????? Does anyone know why WordPerfect has allowed the NeXT version to lag so far behind even the DOS (never mind Windows) version? This one omission has made it impossible to convince some people to buy NeXTs because they are not truly compatible with PCs and won't work in a mixed environment. [And don't tell these people to switch word processors; they don't want to.] -jonathan nagler
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: WordPerfect Announces WordPerfect For NeXTSTEP (Interim release 1.01) Message-ID: <1993Mar24.192926.5722@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <27995@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 19:29:26 GMT jonathan nagler writes >> "The new development does not change WordPerfect Corporation's >> commitment to continue development on a future version of >> WordPerfect for NeXT that will be feature and file compatible >> with its DOS and Windows counterparts," Mella said. > > Well how long could it possibly take to port the only feature > of 5.1 that some of us want: equations????? I used to feel the same way. Then I discovered Equation Builder, which is miles better than WP's icky equation editor. Now what I really want is for Wp and EqB to implement object links so that I can link in my equations rather than having to paste them. Take a look at EqB (I believe there's a demo on the archives). I think you'll be impressed. Usual disclaimers; just a happy customer. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell) Subject: Why NeXT isn't convincing users (was Re: Goodbye to a Friend (Clarification)) Message-ID: <1993Mar24.163450.14431@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <2BB00D56.AFC@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 16:34:50 GMT In article <2BB00D56.AFC@deneva.sdd.trw.com> thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) writes: > Chuck Waltrip writes > > I wrote: > > > NeXT's shift means they will sell/market channels more than > > > customers (as almost all software companies do). > > > > Major mistake by NeXT. Who's the distribution channel for > > mission critical apps? There ain't one! You've got to call > > on the customers. > [clarification deleted] > Please, don't interpret my original posting as saying NeXT is > abandoning the direct customer interface. The tiering will > just adjust (appropriately) to the kind of organization they > must become to try becoming a success on a larger scale. Well, hrm, mumble ... Sorry to use your posting as another soapbox. But having talked to a number of non-NeXT programmers and sysadmins who keep telling me NeXT is doomed, NeXT is only an overgrown Mac, NeXT is irrelevant to real computing, etc., I can only conclude: a) People are brainwashed, blind, or just plain stupid, b) It's a conspiracy, c) I'm utterly deluded in thinking NeXT is a fantastic machine, or d) NeXT has fallen down on getting the word out, or on giving customers what they want. Since I'm too egalitarian to believe (a), not paranoid enough for (b), and too clear a thinker for (c) :-), I'm left with (d). And anything that distracts NeXT from showing end-users how NeXTSTEP can solve their problems is a step in the wrong direction. (Not saying the NeXT reorganization is bad, but reorgs are notorious for creating the illusion of progress without doing anything.) -- Frank Mitchell email(work): frank@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) (home): frank@gagme.chi.il.us "Y'know, there are times like this when I wish I had an act." -- David Letterman (in a monologue)
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Preparing for Planned Obsolescence Message-ID: <12060@news.duke.edu> Date: 24 Mar 93 15:36:49 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu Well, I know there's been a lot of hand-wringing going on as of late since we survived Black Tuesday. The problem I'm dealing with now is simply what to do about my lovely Cube should the day come when something goes ka-blooey. It's a 12/660 68040 Classic that's had various things replaced over the years or added on since it left the factory in 1989, but the oldest parts are the monitor and the keyboard. What I'm curious about is how to deal with planned obsolescence of outdated hardware. Simply put, if my MegaPixel decides to go up in smoke or I dump a can of Coke onto the keyboard and make an irretrievable amount of damage, what are my options. Will Canon be making hardware for their new systems that would conceivably be backward compatible or what. I know that at least in the Intel side of things, replacement of peripheral parts are certainly not too big of an issue. But, then again that's the whole idea behind this 'hardware as commodity' line of thinking anyway. Oh, well, I've probably rambled on enough as it is and probably need to get back to work. Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure) Subject: Wanted: Good Outliner software Message-ID: <asd.733007052@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 21:04:12 GMT I'm looking around for a good outline software package, that doesn't cost a small fortune! I know of Concurrence, but I don't need all that power, at least now, and I can't justify it's pricetag. If it was $295 instead of $795, sure, I'd buy it. So I'm looking for suggestions for a good outline package out there that is good, and inexpensive. -dsm
From: charuhas@das.harvard.edu (Thomas Charuhas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTstep Intel ports Message-ID: <1993Mar24.212354.2781@das.harvard.edu> Date: 24 Mar 93 21:23:54 GMT Article-I.D.: das.1993Mar24.212354.2781 Sender: usenet@das.harvard.edu (Network News) Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University Has anyone had a chance to port NewsGrazer to NeXTSTEP Intel ? Any attempt to do so would be greatly appreciated by this beta tester. Thomas
From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: OMRON microswitch desperately wanted Message-ID: <3261@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> Date: 24 Mar 93 21:52:48 GMT References: <1993Mar23.202909.24973@qb.rhein-main.de> Organization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA In article <1993Mar23.202909.24973@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: >The left button of my NeXT mouse (old style) broke, and I can't get a >replacement mouse any more. I soldered the microswitch from the right The same happened to my Mac's mouse, but I was able to open the microswitch and repair it. It was held together with a rivet, and I drilled it out and cleaned & bent the contacts a little. A small machine screw holds it together instead of the rivet. Like new. -- +----------------+ ! II CCCCCC ! Jim Cathey ! II SSSSCC ! ISC-Bunker Ramo ! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220 ! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com) ! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757 +----------------+ One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them. One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) Subject: another SUMMARY Mounting CDROM Over Network Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Mar24.222435.23781@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 22:24:35 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Keywords: network cdrom mount export after posting my summary about mounting a cdrom from one machine to another and being able to read/copy from it, i received some helpful information that some may want to use: -------------------------------- I put the following in the fstab of my NS Turbo, under 3.0 and it worked O.K. Other systems can mount it then using NFSManager.app etc. I have not been able to get it to work when the CD is 'automounted.' /dev/sd1a /NeXTSTEP_3.0 4.3 ro,noquota 0 0 On the system that has the CDROM, you just put the CD in at boot time. After that it never comes out, even if folks log in/out etc. This is a *real* pain cause the CDROM drive is useless for looking at other CD-ROMS. -------------------------------- hope this helps some people. thanks to steve spicklemire. kelley wittmeyer dept of atmospheric science colorado state university
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUMMARY Mounting CDROM Over Network Date: 24 Mar 1993 22:53:13 GMT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Message-ID: <1oqoop$lbi@umd5.umd.edu> References: <Mar23.172458.95947@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Keywords: cdrom network mount exports In article <Mar23.172458.95947@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kelley@kiwi.atmos.colostate.edu writes: >i tried all combinations of exporting and mounting but nothing >solved the problem. so, as far as i know, what i wish to do >cannot be done *at this time*. You *can* export a BSD 4.3 filesystem CD (such as the NeXTstep 3.0 CD) to other sites and they can use it, you can *not* export, say, Rock Ridge or presumably ISO 9660 disks, so I'm pretty sure it's a problem with the CD ROM drivers not talking to NFS. >kelley wittmeyer >dept of atmospheric science >colorado state university ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Small is beautiful.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beatty+@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU (Derek Beatty) Subject: On-the-fly disk compression Message-ID: <C4F195.M4.1@cs.cmu.edu> Originator: beatty@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 23:00:19 GMT Anyone seriously interested in implementing this might want to look at the following paper. The bottom line is that you can double your disk space by modifying an NFS server, with little performance impact. And no kernel hacks are required. -- Derek Author CATE, V.; Gross, T.; Sch. of Comput. Sci., Carnegie Mellon Univ., Pittsburgh, PA, USA Title Combining the concepts of compression and caching for a two-level filesystem Source Fourth International Conference on Architectural Support for Programming Languages and Operating Systems; Santa Clara, CA, USA; 8-11 April 1991; Sponsored by: IEEE; ACM; SIGPLAN Notices; vol.26, no.4; April 1991; pp. 200-11 -- Derek_Beatty@cmu.edu ABD Comp Sci, CMU, 5000 Forbes, Pgh, PA 15213 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Preparing for Planned Obsolescence Message-ID: <1993Mar25.031914.22777@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <12060@news.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 03:19:14 GMT In article <12060@news.duke.edu> dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu writes: > Well, I know there's been a lot of hand-wringing going on as of late > since we survived Black Tuesday. The problem I'm dealing with now > is simply what to do about my lovely Cube should the day come when > something goes ka-blooey. It's a 12/660 68040 Classic that's had > various things replaced over the years or added on since it left > the factory in 1989, but the oldest parts are the monitor and the > keyboard. > > What I'm curious about is how to deal with planned obsolescence of > outdated hardware. There should be plenty of parts stock that would be sold to the company that wins the service provider contract. You might even consider trying to purchase another display and starting point kit now. BTW, at our NUG meeting last night our local reps said that the contract was not in the bag for Motorola, and that several other companies were bidding. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: WordPerfect Announces WordPerfect For NeXTSTEP (Interim release 1.01) Message-ID: <C4Ftnp.B1B@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <27995@galaxy.ucr.edu> <1993Mar24.192926.5722@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 09:14:13 GMT In article <1993Mar24.192926.5722@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu writes: [ ] >> >> Well how long could it possibly take to port the only feature >> of 5.1 that some of us want: equations????? > >I used to feel the same way. Then I discovered Equation Builder, >which is miles better than WP's icky equation editor. Now what I >really want is for Wp and EqB to implement object links so that I can >link in my equations rather than having to paste them. Equation Builder is a really nice application. Does Word Perfect for the NeXT allow you to paste an inline equation and keep track of the baseline? [Or do you have to fiddle around with the equation in order to line it up?] >Take a look at EqB (I believe there's a demo on the archives). I >think you'll be impressed. Yes, I agree... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kohno@ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Fujimasa Kohno) Subject: Re: OMRON microswitch desperately wanted Message-ID: <1993Mar25.130734.17265@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Sender: news@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Kyoto University, JAPAN References: <1993Mar23.202909.24973@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 13:07:34 GMT In article <1993Mar23.202909.24973@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: > Help! > The left button of my NeXT mouse (old style) broke, and I can't get a > replacement mouse any more. > The part is an > OMRON 1668RAE > D2F - 01 I can get OMRON D2F-01 on Tuesday and will send four of them to you. (I will take one.) Since it is very cheap (95c), no need for money. Instead, I'm glad if you send the rest to whom needs the switch if ever. -- Fujimasa Kohno, MD. Dept. of Cardiology, Kyoto Univ. Hospital, Japan Email kohno@ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (NeXT Mail Ok!) Voice +81-75-702-7203 Fax +81-75-702-6219 heap (95c), no need for money. Instead, I'm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman) Subject: Price of the Gateway PC that runs NeXTstep Message-ID: <1993Mar25.124432.17549@stc.nato.int> Sender: usenet@stc.nato.int (USENET messages) Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 12:44:32 GMT Could someone give me a (street) price on the Gateway PC that can run NeXTstep? i.e. the 66V with the 2MB VLbus ATI Mach 32 video card, 32 MB RAM and 500 MB disk. thanks -- Ton Koelman e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!) SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD The Hague The Netherlands (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: Wanted: Good Outliner software Message-ID: <1993Mar25.121032.5137@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <asd.733007052@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 12:10:32 GMT In article <asd.733007052@mace.cc.purdue.edu> asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure) writes: > > I'm looking around for a good outline software package, that doesn't > cost a small fortune! I know of Concurrence, but I don't need all > that power, at least now, and I can't justify it's pricetag. If it > was $295 instead of $795, sure, I'd buy it. So I'm looking for > suggestions for a good outline package out there that is good, and > inexpensive. > > -dsm Your email address is an educational one check out the educational pricing for students and faculty with mac connection. Concurrence is very attractive at those prices. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
From: david@ffcsas.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DAT on NeXT --- does it work? Message-ID: <C4G98r.9Bx@demon.co.uk> Date: 25 Mar 93 14:50:51 GMT References: <hheller.732819776@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> Sender: news@demon.co.uk Organization: Demon Internet Services. In article <hheller.732819776@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> hheller@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Helmut Heller) writes: > Hello, > I just relocated from the US to Germany and so I missed the discussion > about DAT backup tape drives on the NeXT. > Could someone be so kind and tell me > a) does a DAT drive (HP variety) work on a NeXT > b) what do I need to make it work (drivers??) > > I am thinking about the 8GByte drive with compression --- > is the compression worth the money or is UNIX-compress good enough? > > Please send e-mail to > heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu > as my German e-mail address is not yet stable enough. > Please do not just post your response as I don't have a reliable > news feed yet. If there is enough interest, I will summarize to the net. > > Thanks a lot for your help, > Helmut Yes-no problem just plug it and go. You can backup using GNUTAR -cvf/dev/rst0 options or use Systemix software saftybet which supports DAT drives as well as many other formats. 410-290-8813 in the states
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NeXtStep on Mac's? Message-ID: <C4F9uy.2uo@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1oq33tINNph0@taloa.unice.fr> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 02:06:33 GMT In article <1oq33tINNph0@taloa.unice.fr> rognant@taloa.unice.fr (Rognant) writes: > > Does anyones knows if the NeXtStep will be installed on macs. I wouldn't hold my breath. Most Macs sold don't have the power to run NS. > I got a mac but i working on NeXT , and i must recognize that it's the best develloping environement i ever worked on , and so i would like to work with it on my mac. Like I said, I wouldn't hold my breath. > > Loic ROGNANT > UNIVERSITE de NICE SOPHIA ANTIPOLIS - FRANCE > > -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: WordPerfect Announces WordPerfect For NeXTSTEP (Interim release 1.01) Message-ID: <1993Mar25.170116.433@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <C4Ftnp.B1B@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 17:01:16 GMT Philip McDunnough writes >>I used to feel the same way. Then I discovered Equation Builder, >>which is miles better than WP's icky equation editor. Now what I >>really want is for Wp and EqB to implement object links so that I >>can link in my equations rather than having to paste them. > > Equation Builder is a really nice application. Does Word Perfect > for the NeXT allow you to paste an inline equation and keep track > of the baseline? No, it does not, and that's a drawback. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@aoa.utc.com (Bruce Trvalik) Subject: problem with Xnext Message-ID: <1993Mar25.165208.11303@aoa.aoa.utc.com> Sender: news@aoa.aoa.utc.com (USENET News System) Organization: Adaptive Optics Associates Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 16:52:08 GMT I am having a problem getting the Xnext color for the Turbo from tufts to recognise buttons 2 &3 (right & both) of my mouse. The application I am using requries the use of these buttons. Does anyone know the of a solution? thanks -- * Bruce Trvalik AOA-----------------* * (617)864-0201 check your mind at the door - The Band That Time Forgot * moose@aoa.utc.com * aoa!moose@bbn.com
Message-ID: <p_$@byu.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 10:56:01 MST From: yackd@colorado.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world References: <27995@galaxy.ucr.edu> <1993Mar24.192926.5722@leland.Stanford.EDU> <C4Ftnp.B1B@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: WordPerfect Announces WordPerfect For NeXTSTEP (Interim release 1.01) In article <C4Ftnp.B1B@utstat.toronto.edu>, philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >In article <1993Mar24.192926.5722@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu writes: > >[ ] >>> >>> Well how long could it possibly take to port the only feature >>> of 5.1 that some of us want: equations????? >> >>I used to feel the same way. Then I discovered Equation Builder, >>which is miles better than WP's icky equation editor. Now what I >>really want is for Wp and EqB to implement object links so that I can >>link in my equations rather than having to paste them. > >Equation Builder is a really nice application. Does Word Perfect for the >NeXT allow you to paste an inline equation and keep track of the baseline? >[Or do you have to fiddle around with the equation in order to line it up?] Ha ha ha ha ha ha. WP can't even get cut&paste of RTF right, and you want to know if it can do something that "advanced"? Ha ha ha ha ha. I guess the answer is obvious. It can't do it...and I'm no fan of WP because it can't do a lot of "NeXTish" things. They just _had_ to do it their own way and make it worse for us... The only good thing I can say about them is that they aren't polluting Utah valley as badly as Geneva Steel.... >>Take a look at EqB (I believe there's a demo on the archives). I >>think you'll be impressed. > >Yes, I agree... Me, too. :-) Later, Don_Yacktman@byu.edu
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Compiling libg++ under NS3.0 (libg++1.39.0) Date: 23 Mar 1993 09:54:59 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ommpj$ati@steffi.demon.co.uk> cc: next-prog@cpac.washington.edu Has anybody come up with a good way to resolve the include file problems when compiling libg++1.39.0 in NeXTStep 3.0? The problems are caused by the c++ includes using directives like #include "//usr/include/sys/stat.h" Which plays havoc because of the new /usr/include tree. For the moment I am editing each include file ie. #include "/usr/include/bsd/sys/stat.h" I guess the proper way would be to change this to #include <sys/stat.h> and let the compiler find the header file? Can somebody tell me why they use two // in the #include?
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Compiling libg++ under NS3.0 (libg++1.39.0) Date: 23 Mar 1993 11:51:43 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1omtkf$1n5@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1ommpj$ati@steffi.demon.co.uk> cc: next-prog@cpac.washington.edu Further to my libg++-1.39.0 under NeXTStep enquires make tests produces a diff with the following checkdiffs has this ie. only failed one test 460c460 < < -2.22045e-16 : 36 --- > < -1.0842e-19 : 36 Has anybody else encountered this?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Wanted - TIFFs of the Muppets Message-ID: <1993Mar23.120320.16690@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 12:03:20 GMT Odd request I know, but does anyone know the whereabouts of a large store of images, GIF, Tiff or whatever. I'm looking for some images of the Muppets. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: Any way to get mail to UUCP w/out bang address? Message-ID: <1993Mar24.142557.553@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <C4Dpv9.EB7@world.std.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 14:25:57 GMT In article <C4Dpv9.EB7@world.std.com> jmeacham@world.std.com (James Meacham) writes: > Hello out there! > > I'm trying to get my machine fully functional for dial-in access. Problem > is that my terminal newreader (pine) is awful unfriendly to old UUCP > bang-style address (holonet!ants.edu!jmeacham). Is there any way to get > my machine to automatically send mail through my sole UUCP feed, since I > don't have a direct net connection. Any help would be appreciated. > Yeah, in your sendmail file you will have defined the default mailer as 'uucp' and will have the hostname of your uucp feed in the place of 'mailhost' in the CR and DR definitions. Look down the bottom of the sendmail file for the following lines, uncomment the first and comment the second :- ---- # If you want to pass all other explicit domain names up the ladder # to our forwarder then uncomment the following line. R$*<@$*.$+>$* $#$M $@$R $:$1<@$2.$3>$4 user@any.domain # and comment out this one. #R$*<@$+.$->$* $#ddn $@ $2.$3 $:$1<@$2.$3>$4 user@any.domain ---- Everything you mail will now go via your uucp-feed. There are a couple of exceptions that you can override with % and @ combinations, but for the "norm" this will work just fine. Mark -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: Good Outliner software Message-ID: <1993Mar25.013709.1282@xexos.com> Date: 25 Mar 93 01:37:09 GMT References: <asd.733007052@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) In article <asd.733007052@mace.cc.purdue.edu> asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure) writes: > > I'm looking around for a good outline software package, that doesn't > cost a small fortune! I know of Concurrence, but I don't need all > that power, at least now, and I can't justify it's pricetag. If it > was $295 instead of $795, sure, I'd buy it. So I'm looking for > suggestions for a good outline package out there that is good, and > inexpensive. > > -dsm You and Me also. I love More II on the Mac - Concurrences outliner is good, but as you say, $795 and all the presentation features are overkill. NoteBook from Millennium (Jayson Adams and Scott Love) is $395 in the US (confirm that price with them) and has very, very nice outlining features (amongst many others). info@millennium.com or there is a review in this months NextWorld. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Doug_Smith@Novell.COM (J. Douglas Smith) Subject: Launching a Terminal window from the file viewer Message-ID: <C4GruJ.5Fu@Novell.COM> Sender: usenet@Novell.COM (Usenet News) Organization: Novell, Inc. Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 21:32:43 GMT Is there a way to launch a Terminal window from the file viewer so that the Terminal's current directory is the one pointed to by the file viewer? -- Doug Smith Internet: jdsmith@novell.com Novell, INC. Phone: (801) 429-7324 UNIX Desktop Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rsecco@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Wanted - TIFFs of the Muppets Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 23:02:54 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar25.230254.7544@julian.uwo.ca> References: <1993Mar23.120320.16690@xexos.com> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) In article <1993Mar23.120320.16690@xexos.com> mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) writes: > Odd request I know, but does anyone know the whereabouts of a large store of > images, GIF, Tiff or whatever. I'm looking for some images of the Muppets. > > -- > Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 > Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 > London mark@xexos.com Try alt.binaries.pictures
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: On-the-fly disk compression Message-ID: <1993Mar25.223636.15223@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 25 Mar 93 22:36:36 GMT References: <C4F195.M4.1@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. Derek Beatty (beatty+@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU) wrote: : Anyone seriously interested in implementing this might want to look at : the following paper. The bottom line is that you can double your disk : space by modifying an NFS server, with little performance impact. And : no kernel hacks are required. : -- Derek : Author CATE, V.; Gross, T.; : Sch. of Comput. Sci., Carnegie Mellon Univ., Pittsburgh, PA, USA : Title Combining the concepts of compression and caching for a two-level : filesystem : Source Fourth International Conference on Architectural Support for : Programming Languages and Operating Systems; Santa Clara, CA, USA; : 8-11 April 1991; : Sponsored by: IEEE; ACM; : SIGPLAN Notices; vol.26, no.4; April 1991; pp. 200-11 : -- : Derek_Beatty@cmu.edu ABD Comp Sci, CMU, 5000 Forbes, Pgh, PA 15213 USA I read the paper today and it seems pretty simple. Basically, there are two processes. One responds to NFS requests, the other runs at night to compress files that haven't been used in a certain number of days or hours. When it compresses a file, it adds 1000 to the group ID. The NFS process checks files which it is about to send out for a GID over 1000. If the GID is over 1000, it subtracts 1000, decompresses it, and sends it on its way. The authors did research that proved that the longer it's been since a file has been accessed, the less chance there is that it will be accessed. By compressing 75% of your files, while leaving the 25% most often accessed uncompressed, you can double your effective space. I have a question though. This would work with an NFS server. How could this be made to work on a standalone NeXT? Is it possible (or desirable) to be your own NFS server? Or is this a perfect application for a multi cpu cube? Also, where would a person find source for an NFS server? -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skrbec@tophat4.rtsg.mot.com (Brad Skrbec) Subject: Help! FAQ CDPlayer.app problem Message-ID: <1993Mar25.231918.12792@rtsg.mot.com> Sender: news@rtsg.mot.com Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 23:19:18 GMT Sorry for this much posted problem. I never experienced it, so I didn't think I needed to read about it... Up until a short time ago, I was able to pop an audio CD into my NeXT CD ROM player and CDPlayer.app would launch, and I could play CD's to my hearts content. I have a SCSI 0 (internal drive) and SCSI 1 (external drive), and the CDROM player (SCSI ID 4?). Well, suddenly, somethings changed, and I can't figure out what's going on. When I place an audio CD in as root, everything works fine, but if I'm a normal user (with Public Window Server turned on), I get: sd2 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 <etc, etc, etc> cdutil: openDrive: Permission denied If I make /dev /rsd2h read/write by all, I get the same as above, except: cdutil: Inquiry failed. Any ideas? Thanks! -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brad Skrbec | "For it is the doom of men that they forget." | | Motorola Cellular | -- Merlin | | Arlington Heights, IL | Internet: skrbec@rtsg.mot.com | | | Home: brad@darby.chi.il.us | ------------------------------- NeXTMail Gladly Accepted ------------
From: jamal@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Jamal Hannah) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Voice Mail Test Message-ID: <1993Mar26.043257.26836@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Date: 26 Mar 93 04:32:57 GMT References: <hheller.732819776@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> <C4G98r.9Bx@demon.co.uk> Sender: news@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu Organization: MIT Hi. Can someone please send a voice-mail message to "jah@bcsnext.bcs.org"? I've never tested it before, And would like to try it out. - Jamal Hannah
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: CultureShock-1.1 on cs.orst.edu Message-ID: <1993Mar26.054559.25222@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 05:45:59 GMT Hi, Has anyone got this pkg to work? a lot of stuffs are missing.... -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: tabs@netcom.com (Network Account) Subject: HELP - Booting 3.0 from a Fujitsu M2624F Message-ID: <tabsC4HF80.HKB@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Summary: SCSI Error - Cannot boot from Fujitsu M2624 NS3.0 Keywords: SCSI error, upgrade, Fujitsu Sender: tabs@netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 05:57:36 GMT Hi, We recently purchased a Fujistsu M2624F, 520 Mb external SCSI hard drive. We initially formatted it for 102k block size using formatter_1.2 It boots fine when built for NS2.1 but refuses to boot under NS3.0 The system refuses to boot with the message SCSI: unexpected msg: 1 sc: Unexpected msg I checked the old archives, and the document fujitsu.recipe. Is this problem caused by improper jumper settings on the fujitsu disk? I am not sure of the jumber settings to avoid synchronous transfer for the M2624. Has anyone had a similar problem before? Any help is appreciated. tabs (tabs@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Re: CultureShock-1.1 on cs.orst.edu Message-ID: <wipeoutC4HGK1.LqI@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Mar26.054559.25222@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 06:26:24 GMT In article <1993Mar26.054559.25222@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu writes: > >Hi, > > Has anyone got this pkg to work? a lot of stuffs are missing.... It appears to be corrupt; I took it apart manually and compress and gzip barfed on the .Z file. Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "Steve Hayman" <sahayman@cs.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: Launching a Terminal window from the file viewer Message-ID: <1993Mar26.015459.8561@news.cs.indiana.edu> Organization: Objectario References: <C4GruJ.5Fu@Novell.COM> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 01:54:45 -0500 >Is there a way to launch a Terminal window from the file viewer so that >the Terminal's current directory is the one pointed to by the file viewer? Sure. Services -> Terminal -> New Shell Here. (assuming you've enabled Terminal's Services. start Terminal and go to Info -> Terminal Services.) There are a whole bunch of interesting Terminal services that you can enable to do useful things like this. One of my favourites is using Terminal to run "sort" as a filter - so now you can select some text in any application, go to Services -> Terminal -> Sort, and your selected data will be sorted for you. Hope this helps, Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTWORLD EXPO and NeXTSTEP'486/dev.con package. Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Mar26023014@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 26 Mar 93 02:30:14 Distribution: world Organization: Is a sign of weakness Situation A: I'll be attending EXPO. So, I'm working out a plan of action so that I can get to EXPO and still have money when I come home. It's looking like you just can't get out for $1k ... Situation B: At some point I _will_ need NeXTSTEP'486, developer's version. No choice. Now, all of the EXPO registrations that have been flying around lately have this little jobbie where you can get into the developer's conference _and_ get NeXTSTEP'486 all for $995. Great deal when NS'486Dev costs $1795 (toss in the registered developer discount and you _might_ get that $1250). So, I'm interested. But, I was just wondering if there is anyone who knows what exactly you get? Is this NS'486Dev exactly like what you would get if you called NeXT and dropped the $1800 bucks? Or are there limitations associated with it? [I really could care less if they don't give you any of the associated documentation and packaging - all I need is the bare CD-ROM :-).] I have had one person who indicated that he'd heard rumors that it would be _just_ the developer tools - you still had to purchase the user environment. According to the flyer, it's "NeXTSTEP for Intel processors User Environment and Development Tools," so I'm pretty sure I'm safe from _that_ rumor. In any case, that gives you a feel for what I'm interested in. I'm sure others are, too. If it weren't for that deal, I'd most likely not be attending the developer conference, because it looks like there's just not enough new content that I want to drop $700 on it ... Besides, no doubt I can find enough to do on the floor (these things always take care of themselves :-). Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
From: css2218@gl52.glade.yorku.ca (Randall Vasquez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Gif /Jpeg viewer Message-ID: <1993Mar17.154551.1884@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Date: 17 Mar 93 15:45:51 GMT Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University Hi I was wondering where I could get a gif or jpeg viewer for the Next computers. Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Subject: SUBMISSION: DESKTOP 2.0 -- ICON & WINDOW MANAGER WITH VIRTUAL SCREENS Message-ID: <1993Mar26.090125.26624@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: nntp@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (NNTP Poster) Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 09:01:25 GMT I am glad to announce that a full demo copy of Desktop 2.0 is now available at cs.orst.edu in /pub/next/submissions, garbo.uwasa.fi in /next/demo (sonata.cc.purdue.edu is not working!). All the functions are enabled so that you can test and play with it. (If it is running in full-demo mode, you should see the message "All functions are enabled" when Desktop 2.0 is invoked). For those who have no access to the ftpsite, email me your address and I will send you a free demo copy. Please validate the demo copy by running "sum" >> >>localhost> sum Desktop2.0.tar.Z >> 31420 956 >> By the way, Desktop is not just another virtual screen manager. Putting aside the virtual screen related functions, Desktop allows you to operate on the three type of objects namely Windows, NeXTApp Icons and Desktop Icons. Window operations ================= A window can be moved from one virtual screen to another, fronted, backed, adjusted, floated, raised or lowered. Also available are front/adjust/lower all windows. NeXTApp Icons ============= NeXTApp Icons are those that gather at the lower left corner of your screen. They can be fronted (so that they appear before windows), backed, hidden, tidied (or ask Desktop to auto-tidy for you) or grouped by application. Desktop Icons ============= These icons function like those in the NeXTdock. You can double-click on them or make they autolaunch in any of the virtual screens! And further, they can be created from applications, documents or folders. They can be moved from screen to screen, floated or hidden. Of course, they can be stored for future work sessions. The advanced features that support the virtual screens are three window modes namely: autoScreen mode -- Desktop will switch to the screen that contains the needed window autoWindow mode -- the needed window will be moved to the active screen plain mode -- Nothing is done. In addition, when you drag a window to the screen boundary, Desktop will auto-flip to the next screen. This is called Auto-Flip feature which can be conveniently enabled/disabled so as to avoid unnecessary screen flipping. Version 2.0 comes with an object inspector, a palette and a Desktop Window so that you can enjoy a gentle learning curve. Other input methods are available for speedy actions. The user-interface is improved and polished. What is the price? $30 per copy. It supports NeXTstep 2.x and NeXTstep 3.0. "QuickStart" are enhanced and "Quick Guide for the Impatient" are included to let you easily pick up Desktop. All registered users are entitled to free upgrade to version 2.0. Lastly, thanks for sending me bug reports and suggestions. Though not all the suggestions are implemented, I assure you that your bug reports/suggestions are taken seriously. Johnson Sieu email:sieu@cory.berkeley.edu address:P.O. Box 367 Berkeley, CA 94701-0367
From: cap+@cmu.edu (Chris Paris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: On-the-fly disk compression Message-ID: <C4Hy1C.97B.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 26 Mar 93 12:43:59 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.C4Hy1C.97B.2 References: <1993Mar25.223636.15223@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon In article <1993Mar25.223636.15223@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > I have a question though. This would work with an NFS server. How could > this be made to work on a standalone NeXT? Is it possible (or desirable) > to be your own NFS server? Or is this a perfect application for a > multi cpu cube? A standalone NeXT is sufficient, because you can NFS mount your own disk. Something like mount -t nfs yourhost:/ /compressed. > Also, where would a person find source for an NFS server? It's part of the Net-2 release of UNIX, and also the 386BSD release. -- Any interrupt can be masked, including the nonmaskable interrupt. -- IBM PS/2 Hardware Interface Technical Reference
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Dan Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DAT on NeXT --- does it work? Date: 26 Mar 1993 14:43:43 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ov4qvINNi3b@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> Summary: just fine. this reply message bounced, I thought I'd try posting it. To: heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: DAT on NeXT --- does it work? In comp.sys.next.misc article <hheller.732819776@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> hheller wrote: > Hello, > I just relocated from the US to Germany and so I missed the discussion > about DAT backup tape drives on the NeXT. > Could someone be so kind and tell me > a) does a DAT drive (HP variety) work on a NeXT > b) what do I need to make it work (drivers??) i can't tell you the exact model, but I regularly use an HP DAT with a NeXT (040 25Mhz cube). Dump (and restore ;) and tar work fine with this. all that's needed are the /dev/*st* drivers... hook it up and go. If it's the only tape drive you have, the next should come up and tell you it's st0. /dev/rst0 or /dev/nrst0 (nrst doesn't rewind, thus the "n" for Norewind") will do the thing. -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group 313/998-6265 -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group 313/998-6265
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CultureShock-1.1 on cs.orst.edu Message-ID: <6886@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 26 Mar 93 15:29:03 GMT References: <1993Mar26.054559.25222@news.acns.nwu.edu> <wipeoutC4HGK1.LqI@netcom.com> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <wipeoutC4HGK1.LqI@netcom.com> wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: >In article <1993Mar26.054559.25222@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu writes: >> >>Hi, >> >> Has anyone got this pkg to work? a lot of stuffs are missing.... > >It appears to be corrupt; I took it apart manually and compress >and gzip barfed on the .Z file. > >Eric I think it is available at athena.com (source: NeXTWORLD EXTRA) -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXTStep, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. **
From: benji@athena.com (Benjamin Cline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CultureShock-1.1 on cs.orst.edu Date: 26 Mar 1993 16:39:43 GMT Organization: Institute for Mammalian Fur Growth Message-ID: <1ovbkf$t6i@hermes.athena.com> References: <1993Mar26.054559.25222@news.acns.nwu.edu> <wipeoutC4HGK1.LqI@netcom.com> In article <wipeoutC4HGK1.LqI@netcom.com> wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: >In article <1993Mar26.054559.25222@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu writes: >> >>Hi, >> >> Has anyone got this pkg to work? a lot of stuffs are missing.... > >It appears to be corrupt; I took it apart manually and compress >and gzip barfed on the .Z file. > >Eric Yes, it is indeed corrupt. A working version of CultureShock-1.1 can be ftp'ed from athena.com (in /pub/CultureShock). I will be uploading a new version to cs.orst.edu today. For those of you who are wondering what CultureShock is (from the README file): >CultureShock 1.1 is a strategy game in which you try to clear the playing >field by removing all of the tiles from the playing field. The tiles represent >various happenings from 1990. > >CultureShock 1.1 runs on NeXTstep for Intel Processors as well as 68k based >NeXT workstations, and requires NeXTstep 3.0 or greater. benji -- Benjamin Cline benji@athena.com Systems Administrator NeXTmail cheerfully accepted! Athena Design, Inc. "Happiness is a warm puppy." "It's good to experience new things, as long as they're not radioactive."
From: rlm7638@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jack McKinney) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Boyer-Moore algorithm (bm)? Date: 26 Mar 1993 11:17:10 -0600 Organization: Mistress Barbara's Dungeon Palace Message-ID: <1ovdqmINNhoe@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1993Mar23.092841.17925@schbbs.mot.com> <CEDMAN.93Mar23113418@capitalist.princeton.edu> In a previous article, cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > >Instead get GNU grep from prep.ai.mit.edu. It automatically uses >Boyer-Moore as an optimization whenever possible. > Wouldn't fgrep use Boyer-Moore since it operates with fixed-strings? I am currently writing a version of grep for my computer (in machine language). I am taking the input string, and having my program generate a machine-language program in its memory space that will check a given input line when called. If a part of the input string is a fixed expression (e.g., foo and bar in foo..bar), then the corresponding segment of the code gene- rated will use Boyer-Moore to find it. +---------------------------------------------+-------------------------+ | You can tell how far we have to go, when | Jack McKinney | | FORTRAN is the language of supercomputers. | jmckinney@tamu.edu | | -- Steven Feiner | | +---------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
From: tll@cco.caltech.edu (Tal Lewis Lancaster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: Good Outliner software Date: 26 Mar 1993 19:15:20 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1ovko8INNr8f@gap.caltech.edu> References: <asd.733007052@mace.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Mar25.121032.5137@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> harit@kripalu.com writes: >In article <asd.733007052@mace.cc.purdue.edu> asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu >(Doug McClure) writes: >> >> I'm looking around for a good outline software package, that >doesn't >> cost a small fortune! I know of Concurrence, but I don't need all >> that power, at least now, and I can't justify it's pricetag. If it >> was $295 instead of $795, sure, I'd buy it. So I'm looking for >> suggestions for a good outline package out there that is good, and >> inexpensive. >> >> -dsm >Your email address is an educational one check out the educational >pricing for students and faculty with mac connection. Concurrence is >very attractive at those prices. Check with NeXTConnection the following is their price Lighthouse Design- Concurrence Academic $199 NextConnection Cat.#4486 If you are a student and buying the copy with your own money then it may be even cheaper. Tal Lancaster >-- >Michael Allen Latta >Kripalu Center >harit@kripalu.com >(413)448-3288 --
The Principal from "Buffy, The Vampire Slayer", "I think the students learned an important lesson on safty." ########################################################################### #################################################################### From: speters@oracle.com (Stephen Peters) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail server for cd.orst.edu (was Re: CultureShock-1.1 on cs.orst.edu) Message-ID: <1993Mar26.195855.23229@oracle.us.oracle.com> Date: 26 Mar 93 19:58:55 GMT References: <1993Mar26.054559.25222@news.acns.nwu.edu> <wipeoutC4HGK1.LqI@netcom.com> <1ovbkf$t6i@hermes.athena.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corp at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. I've been using the sonata mail server now for quite some time, and, with all the recent problems with sonata, would now like to use cs.orst.edu instead. Is there a corresponding mail server I can use at orst? Stephen Peters Please reply by mail to speters@us.oracle.com, and I'll post the location to the net. Stephen Peters speters@us.oracle.com I don't speak for Oracle. Who would speak for an oracle?
From: Mark G. Tacchi Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Internet as a Telephone? Message-ID: <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 26 Mar 93 20:16:39 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Is there some public domain app available that will allow me to talk (using speech, not text) will other NeXT users across the country? Where can I find it? Thanks in advance. -Mark mtacchi@NeXT.COM
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Diagram and signal names for DSP connector. Keywords: DSP RAM Message-ID: <5dD502c33cQT01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 26 Mar 93 20:02:51 GMT References: <1993Mar19.181744.22856@bluerose.com> <1oet24$atr@nntp.crl.com> <1993Mar24.175305.18300@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA I'd like a DSP expansion and since they are no longer available I will make my own. I need to know what the pin out is for the connector in the machine. Since it require static ram it should be pretty easy to build a card. But w/ out pinouts and signal names I have no idea where to start. Kent -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT floppy file format. Message-ID: <5exb02Xm3cT901@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 26 Mar 93 20:10:13 GMT References: <C48G59.1nz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <8011@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: usa Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Does anyone know what the NeXT floppy format looks like and how files and directories are pointed to. I'd like to write a program that will read the files from a NeXT floppy on a PC. I'm cheap. I'd rather write a program to read the floppy on my PC than buy a floppy to go on my cube. Any pointers? - /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* --Malcolm X */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: NS2.1: Emacs and Gcc Wanted Message-ID: <1993Mar26.142704.4247@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 26 Mar 93 14:27:03 PST Could some kind soul please allow me to ftp the old *binary* version of NS 2.1 emacs and NS 2.1 gcc, please? I had to take a short step backwards, and my NS 3.0 emacs fails because it requires a 3.0 library. Help would be highly appreciated. /ivo welch
From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Desktop 2.0 vs VirtSpace 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Mar27.002223.22070@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 27 Mar 93 00:22:23 GMT Sender: sieu@cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley I was told by a registered user that Desktop version 1.1 was reviewed in the April issue of NeXTWorld. So, I happily grabbed the issue just to realise that the ancient Desktop version 1.0 was reviewed and compared unfavorably against the latest version of VirtSpace. Desktop has upgraded from version 1.0 -> 1.1 -> 1.5 -> 1.51 -> 2.0. A major facelift was given to version 1.5. It was further polished in 2.0 so that NeXT users will find Desktop easy to use. By the way, unlike Virtspace, even the ancient Desktop 1.0 is more than just a program that provides virtual screens(For a summary of Desktop's features, lease refer to the announcement of Desktop 2.0). Below are the remarks from two registered users: "This is the first money I've ever sent for shareware -- great program!" - Jay Hardesty "The April Issue of NeXTWORLD has a short review of Desktop and Virtspace. It's a shame that the editor (simson, I think) completely ignored the fact that Desktop has the Desktop Icon feature. After I bought 8 more meg of RAM, I am using your program everyday and cann't leave without it - I open File View, Webster, Digital Librarian, Project Builder, and Stuart at the same time and have 20 some icons placed on the dock. So what is your NeXT project?" - TanMing Lastly, I urge users to take a look at both Desktop 2.0 and VirtSpace 3.0 before making any decision. Johnson Sieu sieu@cory.berkeley.edu PS: A full demo copy, Desktop2.0.tar.Z, is available from ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de at /pub/next/Shareware cs.orst.edu at /pub/next/submissions
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: problem with Xnext Message-ID: <8035@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 26 Mar 93 18:28:54 GMT References: <1993Mar25.165208.11303@aoa.aoa.utc.com> Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Distribution: usa In article <1993Mar25.165208.11303@aoa.aoa.utc.com> moose@aoa.utc.com (Bruce Trvalik) writes: ] I am having a problem getting the Xnext color for the Turbo from ] tufts to recognise buttons 2 &3 (right & both) of my mouse. The ] application I am using requries the use of these buttons. Does anyone ] know the of a solution? ] ] thanks Go into Preferences.app and enable your right mouse button for menu popup. -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Some FAQ questions... Message-ID: <1993Mar27.005835.2691@oracle.us.oracle.com> Date: 27 Mar 93 00:58:35 GMT Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California Originator: ebosco@dvlseq.us.oracle.com at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Sorry if these are FAQs, but I just got a NeXT monochrome cube to use at work with no documentation and I have some questions: 1- Where is the FAQ, I've been scanning through article headers in this group, but I couldn't find one. Is one available for FTP? 2- Questions regarding TERMINAL: -Is there a way to set the background to black and the text white? -Is there a way for the windows to be selected by just moving the mouse over them without having actually to click on them? 3- How can I set a tiff or other Graphic as the desktops background? 4- Is there a way to degauss the 17inch black and white monitors? Mine seems to have problems: ie; the fonts get slightly fuzzy towards the left edge of the monitor and vertical line such as a window border tend to bend out slightly. The odd this is that after running the Snake screen lock for some time solves the problem temporarily. Any help is truly appreciated... -Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: ***HSD'S BIGGEST SALE EVER ENDS March 31*** Message-ID: <1993Mar27.014607.10136@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 01:46:07 GMT Last chance to purchase Black scanners... HSD'S BIGGEST SALE EVER ENDS March 31. Don't miss this opportunity to save big $$$'s on some great NeXTSTEP Products. And this may be your last opportunity to purchase a politically correct "black" scanner for use with your NeXT (or Intel) hardware. When our current inventory runs out, and there are not many units left, we'll stop manufacturing "black" scanners forever. Beginning in May, HSD scanners will be available in what will become, presumably, politically correct "PC Platinum." And by the way, if you receive this message more than once, please let us know under which aliases or addresses additional copies were received so that we can remove them. Or, if you'd like your name removed altogether, we'll gladly do that too. HSD WINTER SALE UP TO 70% OFF RETAIL PRICES HARDWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Scan-X Professional(w/PowerScan)$1495- $1095- Scan-X Color(w/PowerScan) $1995- $1495- Scan-X DP20(w/Electrophile) $5995 $4495- Auto Document Feeder $449- $349- SOFTWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Simon Says $295- $99 OCR Servant $295- $99 HSD Spell(Includes 2 Languages) $195 $99 Additional Languages $99 $49 (11 Languages Available) SOFTWARE UPGRADES PRICE COMMENTS PowerScan (1.03) $99 For Scan-X Users Simon Says (1.1b) FREE To Registered Users OCR Servant (2.03) FREE To Registered Users HSD Spell (1.03) FREE To Registered Users Offer available until March 31, 1993. To place an order, contact HSD Sales at: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1350 Pear Ave., Suite C Mountain View, CA 94043 Ph: (800) 828-5522 or (415) 964-1400 Fax: (415) 964-1538 email: info@hsd.com Payment via credit card (Visa or Mastercard), or cashiers check. Educational, Government and Corporate P.O.'s subject to approval. - One Year Warranty on Hardware Products - 30 Day Money Back Guarantee on Hardware Products - No Quantity Limits Please contact me directly if you have any quesitons. Sincerely, -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Message-ID: <1993Mar27.043814.19868@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 04:38:14 GMT In article <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> Mark G. Tacchi writes: > Is there some public domain app available that will allow me to talk > (using speech, not text) will other NeXT users across the country? > Where can I find it? Glad to see people using the net for what it must have been truly designed and paid for. Your tax dollars at work. Unfortunately, mine too. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Some FAQ questions... Message-ID: <1993Mar27.044049.19952@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Mar27.005835.2691@oracle.us.oracle.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 04:40:49 GMT In article <1993Mar27.005835.2691@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes: > Sorry if these are FAQs, but I just got a NeXT monochrome cube to use at > work with no documentation and I have some questions: > > 1- Where is the FAQ, I've been scanning through article headers in this > group, but I couldn't find one. Is one available for FTP? I'll be posting the FAQs to csn/announce shortly. I've been too busy wallowing in pathetic self pity and depression since the annoucements. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: mattocks@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Craig A. Mattocks) Subject: More reasons to port to DEC Alpha!!! Message-ID: <1993Mar27.014533.9455@news.miami.edu> Keywords: NeXTstep, DEC, speed Sender: news@news.miami.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Miami, RSMAS Date: Sat, 27 Mar 93 01:45:33 GMT Besides being based on the OSF Mach operating system, and giving "screaming" peformance (10-12 times faster than SPARCstation 2), I have heard the following rumors on the DEC Alpha architecture: (1) Cray will build a massively parallel supercomputer based on the Alpha chip - the initial configuration will consist of 1024 Alpha chips (2) DEC will unveil a 2-processor Alpha model this August for $30 K (3) DEC is pouring investment money into Alpha chip manufacturing plants. Has anyone else heard similar news? Does anyone know how difficult it would be to port NeXTstep to the DEC Alpha environment? We're very please with ours here, but we're just using them as dumb number crunchers: telnet in from your NeXT, submit your job, see it fly, upload the output back to your NeXT to take a look at it, etc. It sure would be nice to have an integrated system, especially with the award-winning interface we've come to know and love! Craig ============================================================================ Dr. Craig A. Mattocks Phone : (305) 361-4043 or 4038 RSMAS-MPO, U of Miami Fax : (305) 361-4622 4600 Rickenbacker Cswy. Internet e-mail : mattocks@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu Miami, Florida 33149 Internet NeXTmail: mattocks@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We want to build a machine which will be proud of us." - Danny Hollis, Thinking Machines Corporation ============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerilla!mgilula (Marshall Gilula) Subject: setting nbuf Message-ID: <1993Mar26.164130.406@gerilla> Sender: mgilula@gerilla Organization: Life Energies Research Institute, Inc. References: <Mfepu0a00WB9FIUjkP@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 16:41:30 GMT In article <Mfepu0a00WB9FIUjkP@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 20-Mar-93 Request for nbuf > recommenda.. by Brent Swekla@ee.ualberta > > Ok, I've finally got off my butt and upgraded my mono slab to 20 Meg > > (running 3.0). Can anybody suggest an optimal setting for nbuf and how to > > set it? > > Enter the ROM hardware monitor. Type 'p' to adjust the settings. Use > the defaults until you're prompted for "Boot command?" > > Enter a string of the form "sd- nbu=xxx" where xxx is a number less than 256. > > I'd suggest trying numbers between 64 and 128-- I use 96 on my 20MB slab > and the performance seems great to me, but your mileage may vary. > > -Chuck > > > Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" > ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" > AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." > Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | > NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP] > I've got a 40MB RAM 040 Cube with 3.0 and after I do a double-Command-tile and type "halt" and RETURN at the smaller monitor window, a larger window opens up and I type "b sd() sdmach nbuf=128" and hit RETURN works pretty well for me -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** "People: Love 'em or else leave 'em alone!!" -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply*****
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thor@dannug.dk Subject: Where is CompatibilityGuide ? Message-ID: <C4JEC5.Ht@dannug.dk> Sender: thor@dannug.dk (Thorbjoern Weidemann) Organization: Danish NeXT-Users group Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 07:33:40 GMT Hi, Does anyone know of an ftp-site (and exact filename), where I can get the paper describing which PC's will be able to run NS/Intel ? Thorbj rn Weidemann (thor@dannug.dk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure) Subject: Re: Wanted: Good Outliner software Message-ID: <asd.733188776@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <asd.733007052@mace.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Mar25.121032.5137@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> <1ovko8INNr8f@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 23:32:56 GMT tll@cco.caltech.edu (Tal Lewis Lancaster) writes: >harit@kripalu.com writes: >>In article <asd.733007052@mace.cc.purdue.edu> asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu >>(Doug McClure) writes: >>> [I ask about inexpensive outliner] >>Your email address is an educational one check out the educational >>pricing for students and faculty with mac connection. Concurrence is >>very attractive at those prices. >Check with NeXTConnection the following is their price >Lighthouse Design- Concurrence Academic $199 > NextConnection Cat.#4486 >If you are a student and buying the copy with your own money then it may >be even cheaper. This is true, a dozen or more folks pointed it out, and I already knew that too. I keep forgetting about my .edu address sometimes. Major problem with this idea is: 1) No support, 2) No upgrades, 3) No hardcopy manual or neato t-shirt (Buy Diagram!2, get a t-shirt! Boy I love this t-shirt idea, got one for PasteUp too!). #3 isn't that big a deal, nor is #1, but #2 is. What happens when I get out of school and can't get educational pricing anymore? I'll have to buy the next release in order to get the upgrade. What if I wasn't in school? $800 for an outliner? Ouch! What I was hoping for was some recommendations for just a inexpensive outliner. Anyways, here are the three solutions offered: Edit (yup! Format/Text/Nest, too bad it can't contract areas like Concurrence) Concurrence (buy it educationally) NoteBook (only $400 from MACadam in CA, and offers quite a large number of other abilities besides just outlining all for a nice decent price) I would have thought there would be a few more than that, but that was all the responses I got fit in those categories. Someday I hope to be able to ask that same question and have each and every respondent give me a different program name. For EVERY software category, and all for the NeXT! -dsm "You mean Windows NT looks just like Windows? God, I hate Windows!" - overheard
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Date: 27 Mar 1993 13:19:06 GMT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Message-ID: <1p1k8a$phc@umd5.umd.edu> References: <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> <1993Mar27.043814.19868@cs.yale.edu> In article <1993Mar27.043814.19868@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >Glad to see people using the net for what it must have been truly designed >and paid for. Your tax dollars at work. Unfortunately, mine too. Did I miss something in the original posting that was offensive to you? With the imminent arrival of gigabit WANs, such applications will be commonplace. Then again, LANs can support it now without sucking up any of your tax dollars. >Nathan "USENET" Janette ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fell@binah.cc.brandeis.edu Subject: email for ANDI Message-ID: <1993Mar27.133631.1364@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 13:36:31 GMT Would someone please email me the internet address of ANDI? Thanks.
From: glenn@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Glenn A. Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Using ALT Key as META Date: 27 Mar 1993 14:50:28 GMT Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Message-ID: <1p1pjkINNbm1@life.ai.mit.edu> Could someone tell me how to get the ALT key on the new NeXTStation Turbo keyboards (the one with the green power button and nice Command bar) to operate as META in GNU Emacs in the Terminal application? No matter what I do with Terminal preferences or the VT100 emulation mode, I can't seem to get it to work correctly. If I set the VT100 emulation to have ALT generate ESC sequences, then that's just what it does... generate an entire sequence, one having nothing to do with the key pressed; e.g., I get the following: M-@ esc 6 M-A esc nul M-B esc 0 M-C esc p M-D esc stx M-E esc nul M-F esc \ M-G esc [ . . . This is awfully annoying, and I'm sure (I hope) that there's something simple that will fix it. Direct replies please, Glenn Adams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Can't save words to Dictionary... Message-ID: <1993Mar27.222303.24496@altsys.com> Keywords: Dictionary, Spelling Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 22:23:03 GMT Pardon me if this is a FAQ... When I use the spelling tool in NeXTSTEP apps and it finds words I know are spelled right and I then tell it to learn them, nothing happens. In fact, nothing I do can make it learn new words. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance! If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: decompress *.z files not "Z" Message-ID: <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 23:39:50 GMT Hi, Did I miss any new compression technology or what? Can anyone tell me how to decompress those "z" files? CultureShock-1.1.tar.z duplink-1.0.2.tar.z They both are obtained from cs.orst.edu or sonata.cc.purdue.edu. Neither of them can be uppacked by Opener, nor by "uncompress" on it. Gary -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 00:01:57 GMT Organization: sio Message-ID: <rabjab.90.733276917@golem.ucsd.edu> References: <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> In article <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: > Did I miss any new compression technology or what? Can anyone tell >me how to decompress those "z" files? You must have that Z suffix at the end. "mv" the files accordingly. -rabjab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Message-ID: <1993Mar28.001645.1956@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> <rabjab.90.733276917@golem.ucsd.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 93 00:16:45 GMT In article <rabjab.90.733276917@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes: >In article <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> >garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: >>Did I miss any new compression technology or what? Can anyone tell >>me how to decompress those "z" files? >You must have that Z suffix at the end. "mv" the files accordingly. Alas, this will not help. Files in *.z (small z) are compressed with GNU's gzip. If you obtain gzip, probably you'll also find a version of zcat that recognizes the .z extension and ungzips, letting you do the normal thing [I renamed that zcat gzcat]: gzcat hot.new.software.tar.z | tar xvf - or whatever you'd like. This info is fresh in my mind only because I've just run into the very same problem. <> The rich never feel so good as when they are speaking of <> their possessions as responsibilities. <> -- Robert Lynd -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: prich@netcom.com (Paul Richardson) Subject: NeXT equipment for exchange or barter Message-ID: <prichC4KunJ.64y@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 02:23:42 GMT I have the following hardware to sell at the best offer or trade for a comparable Apple Quadra system. All reasonable cash and/or trade offers considered: - NeXTCube: 330 hard disk, 16 Meg RAM, Optical Drive w/3 blank 256meg optical disks - NeXTstation: 120 hard disk, 8 Meg RAM, Floppy Drive w/20 blank ED disks - NeXT Laser Printer - HSD Scaner w/Power Scan software - 3rd Party Software: What's Happening?, PasteUP, and Improve all w/manuals I can be reached via email at prich@monk.entassis.com or prich@coltrane.apple.com thanx
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu (David Meyer) Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Message-ID: <C4Kxy5.qw@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> <rabjab.90.733276917@golem.ucsd.edu> <1993Mar28.001645.1956@macc.wisc.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 03:34:52 GMT In article <1993Mar28.001645.1956@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >Alas, this will not help. Files in *.z (small z) are >compressed with GNU's gzip. If you obtain gzip, probably >you'll also find a version of zcat that recognizes the .z >extension and ungzips, letting you do the normal thing [I >renamed that zcat gzcat]: > >gzcat hot.new.software.tar.z | tar xvf - > >or whatever you'd like. This info is fresh in my mind only >because I've just run into the very same problem. You can get gzip from aeneas.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/gzip-1.0.7.shar You can also get gnu tar from aeneas.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/tar-1.11.2.tar.z With gnu tar, you can uncompress .tar.z stuff with gnutar -xzf package.tar.z -- David M. Meyer Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu University of Virginia NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Message-ID: <1993Mar28.062036.8298@seas.smu.edu> Sender: news@seas.smu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas References: <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> <1993Mar27.043814.19868@cs.yale.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 06:20:36 GMT In article <1993Mar27.043814.19868@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> Mark G. Tacchi writes: >> Is there some public domain app available that will allow me to talk >> (using speech, not text) will other NeXT users across the country? >> Where can I find it? > >Glad to see people using the net for what it must have been truly designed >and paid for. Your tax dollars at work. Unfortunately, mine too. > >-- >Nathan "USENET" Janette >PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu > >Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT) > It looks like Nathan left his SIMM extractor tool on his computer chair, again. Anyway, I have heard of a UNIX program that can send voice over the net, but it is painfully slow. I can't recall the name off the top of my head. An real-time NeXTmailer could probably hacked out with not much of a problem, but just consder the 1-4 seconds delay time between the time your voice is digitized, compressed, sent over the lines, decompress and converted to analogue. That delay makes conversation quite difficult. David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" In-Reply-To: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu's message of Sun, 28 Mar 1993 00:01:57 GMT To: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar27201201@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> <rabjab.90.733276917@golem.ucsd.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 00:12:01 GMT In article <rabjab.90.733276917@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof) writes: In article <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: > Did I miss any new compression technology or what? Can anyone tell >me how to decompress those "z" files? You must have that Z suffix at the end. "mv" the files accordingly. No, no, no, no, no ! These files are gzipped and can _not_ be uncompressed using /usr/ucb/uncompress no matter what suffix you give them. Instead use gzip available both from prep.ai.mit.edu and sonata.cc.purdue.edu. It compiles easily on NeXTs. Gzip is a free drop-in replacement for compress which achieves significantly higher compression ratios while decompressing faster. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spenton@irie.Colorado.EDU (Steve Penton) Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Message-ID: <1993Mar28.072148.2736@colorado.edu> Sender: news@colorado.edu (The Daily Planet) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder References: <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 07:21:48 GMT In article <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> Mark G. Tacchi writes: > Is there some public domain app available that will allow me to talk (using > speech, not text) will other NeXT users across the country? Where can I find > it? > > Thanks in advance. > -Mark > mtacchi@NeXT.COM Yes there is! Checkout InterPhone available on ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de. I forget which directory perhaps Utilities. -- ==================================================================== Steve Penton <spenton@irie.colorado.edu> 303-492-0895 Astrophysical, Planetary and Atmos. Sciences Dept. University of Colorado @ Boulder NeXTmail Welcome ! --------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Wanted: Good Outliner software Message-ID: <1993Mar28.075821.2431@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <asd.733188776@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 07:58:21 GMT In article <asd.733188776@mace.cc.purdue.edu> asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure) writes: > Ouch! What I was hoping for was some > recommendations for just a inexpensive outliner. > > Anyways, here are the three solutions offered: > > Edit (yup! Format/Text/Nest, too bad it can't contract > areas like Concurrence) Yes, Edit can. Control click on a heading, and it gets contracted. Also look in the Format->Structure menu. The pricing for Concurrence is a great way of getting money out of big corporations, who don't care about the price, and still having a reasonable price for students. It is also a big slap in the face for all the developers and small businesses who use NeXT. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 paull@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: (0494)680228 76711.451@compuserve.com
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Date: 28 Mar 93 05:57:40 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Mar28055740@nic.gac.edu> References: <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> <1993Mar27.043814.19868@cs.yale.edu> <1993Mar28.062036.8298@seas.smu.edu> In-reply-to: dleon@seas.smu.edu's message of Sun, 28 Mar 1993 06:20:36 GMT In article <1993Mar28.062036.8298@seas.smu.edu>, dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) writes: >In article <1993Mar27.043814.19868@cs.yale.edu> > nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >>In article <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> Mark G. Tacchi writes: >>> Is there some public domain app available that will allow me to talk >>> (using speech, not text) will other NeXT users across the country? >> >>Glad to see people using the net for what it must have been truly designed >>and paid for. Your tax dollars at work. Unfortunately, mine too. > >It looks like Nathan left his SIMM extractor tool on his computer >chair, again. Stop it, you guys, lest the net degenerate into pointless name-calling ... >Anyway, I have heard of a UNIX program that can send voice over the >net, but it is painfully slow. I can't recall the name off the top >of my head. An real-time NeXTmailer could probably hacked out with >not much of a problem, but just consder the 1-4 seconds delay time >between the time your voice is digitized, compressed, sent over the >lines, decompress and converted to analogue. That delay makes >conversation quite difficult. Part of the problem is that the network isn't designed for real-time voice conversation. I hear that's why all those nasty telephone lines have been installed all over the country. Lot's of people get by just fine with them. When you get right down to it, real-time voice over the net _is_ an abuse of somebody's network investment. _You_ are saving a couple bucks by using the network instead of a telephone - but I can assure you that _somebody_ is paying those couple bucks. The telephone companies make certain of that. In fact, they are probably paying more money than you "saved", because networks generally have more requirements than voice. Perhaps it's the government paying for it, perhaps it's private concerns, perhaps it's your company. But someone _is_ paying for it. Consider using text. Sure, you have to type. But, look at the advantages. Say you type at 30 words a minute (most computer people I know who type at 80 words a minute would _rather_ type than talk, so they probably don't count). In that minute, you'll send perhaps 300 characters. Even if you typed faster and had long words and lots of overhead, it's going to be hard to require more than 8k or so of bandwidth for typing. On the other hand, 8k of _sound_ is something like a full second (coming from the CODEC, no compression). Hopefully the program would only send when there's actual content to send, but you'd be hard-pressed to only have a second of sound per minute ... Otherwise, dial the phone. If they have a computer, they probably have a telephone. Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Date: 28 Mar 1993 15:11:23 GMT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Message-ID: <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> References: <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> <rabjab.90.733276917@golem.ucsd.edu> <1993Mar28.001645.1956@macc.wisc.edu> In article <1993Mar28.001645.1956@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >Alas, this will not help. Files in *.z (small z) are >compressed with GNU's gzip. If you obtain gzip, probably >you'll also find a version of zcat that recognizes the .z >extension and ungzips, letting you do the normal thing [I >renamed that zcat gzcat]: >gzcat hot.new.software.tar.z | tar xvf - Or, you can replace /usr/ucb/uncompress with gzip (I mv'd uncompress to uncompres.old, and ln -s /usr/local/bin/gzip uncompress), and use gnutar's z flag and it'll work just fine (because gnutar forks off /usr/ucb/compress, which is in reality /usr/local/bin/gzip). Of course, if you don't use gnutar, then gzcat is the way to do it. >Jess Anderson ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. -- Oscar Wilde
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Message-ID: <1993Mar28.104549.1668@yvax.byu.edu> From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 28 Mar 93 10:45:49 -0700 References: <1993Mar28.072148.2736@colorado.edu> Distribution: usa In article <1993Mar28.072148.2736@colorado.edu> writes: >In article <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> Mark G. Tacchi writes: >> Is there some public domain app available that will allow me to talk >(using >> speech, not text) will other NeXT users across the country? Where can I >find >> it? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> -Mark >> mtacchi@NeXT.COM > >Yes there is! Checkout InterPhone available on >ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de. I forget which directory >perhaps Utilities. radio.tar.Z might also do the trick, though you'll have to do some twiddling with gateways. It's available on nova. -- Sean Luke Brigham Young University MILK: It Comes From Cows sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Subject: age-old new-wave q: Where to find ergonomic keyboards? Message-ID: <16B9FBC5B.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: University of Missouri Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 19:23:39 GMT Hi, Has anyone anywhere made, bought, or heard of a NeXT keyboard which splits in half or any of the other experimental designs in keyboard ergonomics? If I can't find one, then I am going to BUILD one, so I'd also like references to papers on this topic. Thanks. Sorry, no NeXT mail (yet). Regards, David K. Drum uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu
From: Chris.Paris@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Chris Paris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ON-THE-FLY DISK COMPRESSION Message-ID: <1061.2BB4E3E4@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 26 Mar 93 21:47:00 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/236 - MacCircles, Genesee CO -- Chris Paris - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Chris.Paris@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: klein@math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (John R. Klein) Subject: Re: Connecting a Mac to a NeXT Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <C4M5It.CEs@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 19:16:05 GMT References: <1993Mar23.224946.16653@ornl.gov> Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum In article <1993Mar23.224946.16653@ornl.gov> teb@blencoe2.chem.ornl.gov (Timothy E. Burch) writes: > > > I'm looking for info. about connecting a Mac and a NeXT. I need to > port a large number of files between the two on a regular basis. What is > required to connect SCSI to SCSI? Is there some communications software > needed? I'm a novice at this, so any info. would appreciated. I have a > 25 Mhz 040 NeXTcube and a Mac Classic II. Please respond by e-mail to: > teb@blencoe2.chem.ornl.gov. > > Thanks, > > Tim I am interested in the same question. Apparently NeXTstep 3.0 supports connections to an appletalk network. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any documentation about SCSI to SCSI connections in the librarian documentation. Q: Can a standard appletalk cable be used on the NeXT? Anyone out there know anymore about this? -john klein
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: OBS_Inc@mindlink.bc.ca (OBS Inc) Subject: Re: HELP - Booting 3.0 from a Fujitsu M2624F Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 19:33:05 GMT Message-ID: <22607@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: news@deep.rsoft.bc.ca (Usenet News at rsoft.bc.ca) Try setting your jumper to asynchronous transfer, I think you will find that this will solve your problems.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Connecting a Mac to a NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar28.132809.1669@yvax.byu.edu> From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 28 Mar 93 13:28:09 -0700 References: <C4M5It.CEs@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> In article <C4M5It.CEs@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> writes: >I am interested in the same question. Apparently NeXTstep 3.0 supports >connections to an appletalk network. Unfortunately, I couldn't find >any documentation about SCSI to SCSI connections in the librarian >documentation. > >Q: Can a standard appletalk cable be used on the NeXT? Okay, some terms first before the explanation: AppleTalk: Apple's Networking SOFTWARE and protocols LocalTalk: Apple's slow serial-port-based networking HARDWARE Ethernet: Industry-standard high-speed networking HARDWARE EtherTalk: Apple's adaption of AppleTalk to Ethernet hardware instead of LocalTalk hardware (EtherTalk is much faster than AppleTalk/LocalTalk) Macintoshes have some goofy serial ports with extra circuitry for networking (using LocalTalk). NeXTs do not have these serial ports. Hence, NeXT machines cannot communicate over LocalTalk. However, NeXT does have Ethernet (two ports, in fact), and so it supports AppleTalk over ethernet. To get a NeXT and a Mac to speak to each other via AppleTalk, you need to put an Ethernet board in your Mac and wire 'em up. So what it boils down to is, NeXT machines support EtherTalk, but not LocalTalk. -- Sean Luke Brigham Young University MILK: It Comes From Cows sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: age-old new-wave q: Where to find ergonomic keyboards? Message-ID: <1993Mar28.132900.1670@yvax.byu.edu> From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 28 Mar 93 13:28:59 -0700 References: <16B9FBC5B.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> In article <16B9FBC5B.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> writes: >Hi, > >Has anyone anywhere made, bought, or heard of a NeXT keyboard >which splits in half or any of the other experimental designs >in keyboard ergonomics? If I can't find one, then I am going >to BUILD one, so I'd also like references to papers on this >topic. Thanks. Sorry, no NeXT mail (yet). If you are fortunate enough to have an ADB-based NeXT, you may purchase Apple's ergonomically-correct keyboard, which works with ADB. -- Sean Luke Brigham Young University MILK: It Comes From Cows sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Message-ID: <1993Mar28.204612.22194@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <SCOTT.93Mar28055740@nic.gac.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 20:46:12 GMT Scott Hess writes > Otherwise, dial the phone. If they have a computer, they probably > have a telephone. Parts of the internet are totally private (the networks within private schools and companies). I see nothing wrong with intertelephoning over these subnets and I wrote my own program to do it. Of course, I never used it during peak hours. You see, I had ethernet into my dorm room, but no phone. =) --Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: t_pascal@oxy.edu. (C. Regis Wilson) Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Message-ID: <1993Mar28.210107.12219@cheshire.oxy.edu> Sender: usenet@cheshire.oxy.edu (System Account) Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA. USA References: <1993Mar27.043814.19868@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 21:01:07 GMT In article <1993Mar27.043814.19868@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > In article <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> Mark G. Tacchi writes: > > Is there some public domain app available that will allow me to talk > > (using speech, not text) will other NeXT users across the country? > > Where can I find it? > > Glad to see people using the net for what it must have been truly designed > and paid for. Your tax dollars at work. Unfortunately, mine too. > This is all made clear with the ZenMOO. ftp pc4.math.oxy.edu ascii get /ftp/pub/zenmoo/zenguide.txt bye more zenguide.txt telnet cheshire.oxy.edu 7777 --------- T. Pascal, King of Pascal | "He travels fastest who travels alone, 1600 Campus Road, Box 829 | but not when the frost drops below zero Los Angeles, CA 90041 | fifty degrees or more." | -Old eskimo saying
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: Where to find keyboards period... Message-ID: <1993Mar28.222106.23181@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 22:21:06 GMT What I'd like to know is, where can I find just any keyboard that will work with a NON-ADB NeXTstation, short of buying another NeXTstation with keyboard? Has ANYONE ever wired a non-NeXT keyboard? What on earth can we do if ours goes and no Next keyboards are available? That goes for the mouse (and monitor)... LAB
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect Announces WordPerfect For NeXTSTEP (Interim release 1.01) Message-ID: <1160@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 28 Mar 93 22:42:02 GMT References: <C4Ftnp.B1B@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Philip McDunnough writes > Equation Builder is a really nice application. Does Word Perfect for the > NeXT allow you to paste an inline equation and keep track of the baseline? > [Or do you have to fiddle around with the equation in order to line it up?] No, WordPerfect doesn't take advantage of the %%Baseline comment, but PasteUp does. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: barton@ozbek.demon.co.uk (Barton Friedland) Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Message-ID: <C4MGuE.FG2@demon.co.uk> Sender: news@demon.co.uk Organization: Demon Internet Services. References: <1993Mar28.210107.12219@cheshire.oxy.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 23:20:37 GMT > In article <1993Mar27.043814.19868@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu > (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > > In article <7186@rosie.NeXT.COM> Mark G. Tacchi writes: > > > Is there some public domain app available that will allow me to talk > > > (using speech, not text) will other NeXT users across the country? > > > Where can I find it? > > > > Glad to see people using the net for what it must have been truly designed > > and paid for. Your tax dollars at work. Unfortunately, mine too. Wasn't there something called ISDN waiting in the wings...?!?!?!? Perhaps with the NREN initiative, we'll have a more robust network and not need the tinker toy talk apps... -- Barton Friedland barton@ozbek.demon.co.uk
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: * * * RightBrain's PasteUp 2.0 Sale 50% OFF: ends March 31 * * * Message-ID: <1162@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 28 Mar 93 23:15:35 GMT Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Just a reminder that our 50% off sale for PasteUp ends this March 31, which is Wednesday. Call quickly to place your order. If you haven't already heard about this sale, it's 50% off across the board on all pricing. Since we've gotten a lot of inquiries that involve a lot of shuffling back and forth over Email, and since time is running out, here are the prices: INDIVIDUAL REGULAR SALE (50% OFF) End User $795.00 $397.50 Developer $636.00 (20%) $318.00 Educational $556.50 (30%) $278.25 Our site licenses are very aggressive, and they're also 50% off this month. CALL: 1-800-472-7246 or 415-326-2974 FAX: 415-326-2977 EMAIL: info@rightbrain.com -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Mac->NeXT Type 1 font converter? Message-ID: <1993Mar28.182532.23734@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Sender: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us Organization: Trilithon Software References: <4230@creatures.cs.vt.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 18:25:32 GMT In article <4230@creatures.cs.vt.edu> alanlb@thor.cs.vt.edu (Alan L. Batongbacal) writes: * I'm looking for a free/inexpensive way of converting Macintosh-format * Type 1 fonts into Type 1 fonts for the NeXT. Any pointers? E-mail to info@trilithon.mpk.ca.us for information. ........ Henry
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: setting nbuf Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 20:44:03 -0500 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <IfhZFX_00WB6Q=OTxW@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1993Mar26.164130.406@gerilla> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 26-Mar-93 setting nbuf by Marshall Gilula@??? > I've got a 40MB RAM 040 Cube with 3.0 and after I > do a double-Command-tile and type "halt" and RETURN > at the smaller monitor window, a larger window > opens up and I type > "b sd() sdmach nbuf=128" and hit RETURN > works pretty well for me Sure it works. My suggestion was a means to make setting nbuf a permenant part of your bootup sequence. The problem is that there is only 12 bytes of space available to set the boot command, so you need to do clever things with the syntax. The string you give is syntacticly equal to "bsd- nbu=128"; try it and see. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
From: mcarswel@oyster.smcm.edu (Matt Carswell) Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a MOD player available for the NeXT? Date: 29 Mar 1993 02:51:41 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1p5o7t$oh0@umd5.umd.edu> If anyone knows of a MOD player available through FTP that will work on a NeXT machine please let me know. I know there is one posted to pub/next/submissions in sonata.cc.purdue but my machine can't make any sense of it (it comes up as .squarefold?????) Thanks. mcarswel@oyster.smcm.edu
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Message-ID: <65608@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 29 Mar 93 03:27:59 GMT References: <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu writes: > Did I miss any new compression technology or what? Can anyone tell > me how to decompress those "z" files? yes you did. get gzip from any GNU site, there is a copy at sonata too. its now the official gnu compression format. -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: jimu@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au (James Uther) Subject: PEN-NeXTSTEP?? Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 05:23:21 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar29.052321.16112@cs.su.oz.au> Sender: news@cs.su.oz.au (News) Some months ago I was hearing promising and exciting rumblings about a pen based machine and os from NeXT and Canon. I even heard that they were only really waiting on a good screen before shipping. What happened to all that? Do we get a competitor for pen-windows or does that marked slip out of NeXTs hands as well? j
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a MOD player available for the NeXT? Date: 29 Mar 1993 06:05:26 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1p63j6INNrhl@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1p5o7t$oh0@umd5.umd.edu> In article <1p5o7t$oh0@umd5.umd.edu> mcarswel@oyster.smcm.edu (Matt Carswell) writes: >If anyone knows of a MOD player available through FTP that will work on a >NeXT machine please let me know. I know there is one posted to >pub/next/submissions in sonata.cc.purdue but my machine can't make any >sense of it (it comes up as .squarefold?????) Thats a .squifold file. It had me stumped too and I asked the net and was graciously sent a dozen copies of "UnSquash" which is what you need to decompress that file. I'd send you a copy myself but my company sold our NeXT (makes 'ya sick, don't it?). The MOD player works pretty well and uses standard Amiga MODs with no conversion necessary. I think there were about 6 Megs of MODs in two archives in the same place. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Currier | Due to budget cutbacks... this HOTLine Technical Support | snappy .sig comment has been Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | discontinued. We are sorry for mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | the inconvenience. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Two simple questions Message-ID: <tlm.733385870@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Keywords: GUI for diction/Talk with SLIP Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 06:17:50 GMT Hi, I have two fairly simple (and totally unrelated) questions: 1) I have heard that the NeXT Educational CD-ROM has a GUI for Diction/STyle/Explain on it. Could someone NeXTmail me a copy ? Please ? 2) I have SLIP running on my machine (greatest invention since the toaster, or maybe the pop-tart, thanks Louis!) but when I try to talk to anyone, or when they try to talk to me, you get the messag [Checking for invitation on caller's machine] and it just hangs. Can anyone explain to me why this is and if there is a way to fix it? Oh yeah, I guess there is a (3) --- this is a really stupid question I'm sure, but I've been too busy to figure it out myself --- why is it that when logged in as myself if I double click on the Developer's Bookshelf or the sys-admin bookshelf the DL tells me that there are no titles under the various targets (some of the applications I have do this same strange thing for their indexed manuals) but if I'm logged in as root I can read these things just fine? The read permissions on the index files seem okay. Sigh, still learning basic things at my advanced age..... Any and all help appreciated. Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi Subject: Where to get User's Manual? Message-ID: <1993Mar25.151026.29335@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Sender: news@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Uutis Ankka) Organization: University of Helsinki Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 15:10:26 GMT hi all, Who could tell, where to get NeXT User's Manual for NS 3.0? It is frequently refered in (electronic) SysAdmin and Developer manuals, but is missing from NS 3.0 CD Rom! Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: age-old new-wave q: Where to find ergonomic keyboards? Message-ID: <1993Mar29.081737.8726@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <16B9FBC5B.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 08:17:37 GMT In article <16B9FBC5B.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) writes: > Hi, > > Has anyone anywhere made, bought, or heard of a NeXT keyboard > which splits in half or any of the other experimental designs > in keyboard ergonomics? If I can't find one, then I am going > to BUILD one, so I'd also like references to papers on this > topic. Thanks. Sorry, no NeXT mail (yet). You buy an ADB starting point kit, if you don't already have one, and then buy the keyboard from Apple. Should work just fine. I'm in the throes of doing this. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerilla!mgilula (Marshall Gilula) Subject: C-news installation Message-ID: <1993Mar26.185511.567@gerilla> Sender: mgilula@gerilla Organization: Life Energies Research Institute, Inc. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 18:55:11 GMT Anyone have trouble with the crontab.local example furnished with the BANG CD-ROM's C-News (which, by the way, was put into NeXT-friendly installer package which appeared to install seamlessly)? -73- -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** "People: Love 'em or else leave 'em alone!!" -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply*****
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerilla!mgilula (Marshall Gilula) Subject: anyone know about crontab.local with c-news? Message-ID: <1993Mar26.190219.628@gerilla> Sender: mgilula@gerilla Organization: Life Energies Research Institute, Inc. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 19:02:19 GMT Anyone have trouble with the crontab.local example furnished with the BANG CD-ROM's C-News (which, by the way, was put into NeXT-friendly installer package which appeared to install seamlessly)? -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** "People: Love 'em or else leave 'em alone!!" -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply*****
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerilla!mgilula (Marshall Gilula) Subject: volume during this week Message-ID: <1993Mar28.010638.1303@gerilla> Sender: mgilula@gerilla Organization: Life Energies Research Institute, Inc. Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 01:06:38 GMT is it my imagination, or has the volume gone done on the mail in c.s.n.m this past week? -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** "People: Love 'em or else leave 'em alone!!" -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply*****
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerilla!mgilula (Marshall Gilula) Subject: Sparse week? Message-ID: <1993Mar28.033704.1521@gerilla> Sender: mgilula@gerilla Organization: Life Energies Research Institute, Inc. Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 03:37:04 GMT Is it my imagination or has the conversation suddenly become very sparse this week? -73- -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** "People: Love 'em or else leave 'em alone!!" -- Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu el que busca nada mucho encuentra" mgilula@gerilla.megalith.miami.fl.us (NeXTMail OK at both addresses) NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply*****
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: marcel@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel) Subject: Re: More reasons to port to DEC Alpha!!! Message-ID: <1993Mar29.132454.1098@bernina.ethz.ch> Keywords: NeXTstep, DEC, speed Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: NiCE - NeXT User Group, Zuerich References: <1993Mar27.014533.9455@news.miami.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 13:24:54 GMT In article <1993Mar27.014533.9455@news.miami.edu> mattocks@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Craig A. Mattocks) writes: >Besides being based on the OSF Mach operating system, and giving "screaming" >peformance (10-12 times faster than SPARCstation 2), I have heard the following >rumors on the DEC Alpha architecture: What I've seen from Alpha is not at all "screaming". It's quite lousy for the hardware effort you have to spend. Dealing with 300 MHz signals is *awful*, especially if you want to design a multiprocessor board, where clocks should be synchronous (~60 cm is a full clock cycle!). -Marcel
From: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain's PasteUp 2.0 Sale 50% OFF: ends March 31 * * * Date: 29 Mar 1993 11:46:27 -0500 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1p7953INNsgb@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> References: <1162@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> In article <1162@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: > >Just a reminder that our 50% off sale for PasteUp ends this March 31, >which is Wednesday. > Can anyone give me a quick impression of this package. Should I run out and get it tomorrow. I was looking at FrameMaker for doing most of my work. What are the trade-offs if I go with PasteUp instead? Chris -- Christopher D. Audley Elec & Comp Engineering The Johns Hopkins University Internet: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a MOD player available for the NeXT? Message-ID: <7128@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 29 Mar 93 16:10:39 GMT References: <1p5o7t$oh0@umd5.umd.edu> <1p63j6INNrhl@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Followup-To: comp.music Distribution: inet Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <1p63j6INNrhl@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: >In article <1p5o7t$oh0@umd5.umd.edu> mcarswel@oyster.smcm.edu (Matt Carswell) writes: > >>If anyone knows of a MOD player available through FTP that will work on a >>NeXT machine please let me know. I know there is one posted to If you pick up a copy of Sex Lies and CD_ROM, a disc published by the Bay Area NeXT Group (info@bang.org) It includes the excellent mod implementation and a TON of modfiles. Lots of useful software, literature, and documentation, as well as the NeXTStep MusicKit package version 3.1. The disc is free with a year's membership to BANG ($40). I have this disc and recommend it heartily. -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXTStep, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jafria@reis57.alleg.edu (Amir Jafri) Subject: TEST Message-ID: <1993Mar29.170737.14774@alleg.edu> Sender: news@alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 17:07:37 GMT Just a test
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@bode.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain's PasteUp 2.0 Sale 50% OFF: ends March 31 * * * Message-ID: <1993Mar29.173545.1153@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering References: <1162@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1p7953INNsgb@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 17:35:45 GMT In article <1p7953INNsgb@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley) writes: >In article <1162@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >> >>Just a reminder that our 50% off sale for PasteUp ends this March 31, >>which is Wednesday. >> > >Can anyone give me a quick impression of this package. Should I run out and >get it tomorrow. I was looking at FrameMaker for doing most of my work. >What are the trade-offs if I go with PasteUp instead? > >Chris > >-- >Christopher D. Audley >Elec & Comp Engineering >The Johns Hopkins University >Internet: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu One quick question, can pasteUp do equations and bibliography?? Andy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bosborne@insect.berkeley.edu Subject: UnixWorld article Message-ID: <9303291728.AA02404@insect.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 17:28:59 GMT To whom it may concern, The cover story in April's UnixWorld is entitled "Steve's Gone Soft", about the decision to go solely software, with an interview with Steve Jobs. The leading sentence is "Finally, the most stubborn man in the computer industry has listened." I think the article is fair, though it takes an unusual point of view that 'everyone' in the world had been telling him to dump hardware, and _finally_ he made the right move. Descriptions of NeXTSTep are positive, and included are comments from various analysts that describe the difficult position of having to carve out a niche in the OS business. However, one gathers that it's possible, given organization and due speed. The company is made to appear inconstant, with spotty performance and continual cash shortages. These shortages are described as central in NeXT's problems, as they led to insufficent attention to sales and marketing. However, the article hints that this undercapitalization will be reduced, with the implication that manufacturing drained the company. That, and the lack of direction. Jobs comes off as a mercurial, difficult perfectionist. The article ends on positive notes. Can NeXT compete with Microsoft and Taligent? Yes, with incredible organization (say analysts). And of course NeXT has its headstart, remarks a McKinsey person. The article was informative to me, in that it was written with a business-like perspective, cool, as opposed to an adulatory one (which is the one I usually take ;-), or a ranting, bitter one (which can be found here on occasion). ------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Osborne Plant Gene Expression Center bosborne@insect.berkeley.edu Albany CA USA ------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Serial Port Problem: Need HELP Message-ID: <1993Mar29.190637.9085@socrates.umd.edu> Keywords: serial port, modem Organization: University of Maryland University College Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 19:06:37 GMT I have a ZyXel 1496E modem connected to each of the serial ports on my NeXTStation. One of them started acting funny. I reversed the cables (both ports have the same configuration) and there was no problem. Hence I suspect the port and not the modem. What happens is everything appears fine until there is a long stream on data (eg., doing at&v a couple of times, or connecting to a remote and getting a long message), then it "locks". That is, there is no more echo, as if some buffer filled up. What I type still seems to go to the modem (and out if it is connected) but there is no echo. Finally, the echo will kick in again for awhile, until the next long stream. Any ideas what might be happening and how I can fix it. Thanks very much in advance. Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hal@nexus.yorku.ca (Harvey Haldorson) Subject: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 19:11:27 GMT Well, simple question: While I will surely want to pull the 486sx25 out and plug in a DX250, and thus not need to worry, I was wondering if NS486 would run on a 486sx system. Any hypothesis? hal@nexus.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) Subject: Re: Launching a Terminal window from the file viewer Message-ID: <1993Mar29.195207.2186@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Mar26.015459.8561@news.cs.indiana.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 19:52:07 GMT In article <1993Mar26.015459.8561@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Steve Hayman" <sahayman@cs.indiana.edu> writes: > >Is there a way to launch a Terminal window from the file viewer so that > >the Terminal's current directory is the one pointed to by the file viewer? > > Sure. Services -> Terminal -> New Shell Here. (assuming you've enabled > Terminal's Services. start Terminal and go to Info -> Terminal Services.) > > There are a whole bunch of interesting Terminal services that you can > enable to do useful things like this. One of my favourites is using > Terminal to run "sort" as a filter - so now you can select some text > in any application, go to Services -> Terminal -> Sort, and your selected > data will be sorted for you. > > Hope this helps, > Steve Also you can drag a folder from the FileViewer to any Terminal Shell window and the FileViewer path will appear as text on the current command line of the Terminal window. This is great for cd'ing to a directory or for diff'ing two directories or getting a long path to copy and paste somewhere else. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Colello Carnegie Institution, Department of Plant Biology Stanford University gcolello@biosphere.stanford.edu (NeXT mail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: OMRON microswitch desperately wanted Message-ID: <1993Mar29.193346.7151@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <3261@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 19:33:46 GMT In article <3261@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) writes: > In article <1993Mar23.202909.24973@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: > >The left button of my NeXT mouse (old style) broke, and I can't get a > >replacement mouse any more. I soldered the microswitch from the right > > The same happened to my Mac's mouse, but I was able to open the microswitch > and repair it. It was held together with a rivet, and I drilled it out > and cleaned & bent the contacts a little. A small machine screw holds it > together instead of the rivet. Like new. Not in my case. The metal lever is broken. No chance of soldering etc. due to the mechanical stress involved. However, two kind people have answered and I'm expecting the switches RSN (Thanks, Jeff and Fujimasa). -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NeXTWORLD Magazine Announces First Awards for NeXTSTEP products Message-ID: <7202@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 29 Mar 93 19:21:11 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Dan Ruby Editor, NeXTWORLD Magazine 415-978-3191 NeXTWORLD MAGAZINE ANNOUNCES FIRST AWARDS FOR BEST NEXTSTEP PRODUCTS Best of Breed Awards To Be Presented In 13 Product Categories San Francisco, March 22, 1993 -- NeXTWORLD Magazine today announced that it will honor outstanding accomplishment in NeXTSTEP product development when it presents the NeXTWORLD Best of Breed Awards, or BoBs, on Monday, May 24, 1993. The winners will be named at a gala awards ceremony featuring presentations by NeXT CEO Steve Jobs and other NeXT community luminaries. The award winners will meet the public at a general session during NeXTWORLD Expo, held here May 25-27, 1993. "Third party developers have taken advantage of NeXTSTEP's outstanding developer and user environment to produce a wealth of innovative products in every category of business software, development tools, and peripherals," said Daniel Ruby, editor-in-chief of NeXTWORLD Magazine. "With the BoB Awards, we recognize high achievement by individual third parties, but also put a spotlight on NeXTSTEP as the industry's premier object-oriented, client/server operating system." All NeXTSTEP products that are in wide-release beta testing by April 24 and shipping in shrinkwrap by May 24 are eligible for considersation. Software must operate under NeXTSTEP 3.0 or later and have announced plans for an Intel 80486 version. The judging panel will consist of the NeXTWORLD editorial staff and contributing editors. They will look for excellence in the following categories: - Document Creation - ObjectWare - Business Graphics - Financial Modeling - Graphic Arts - Utilities - Information Managers - Peripherals - Database Management - Content and Information - Communications and Emulation - Emerging Markets - Development and Authoring Tools Special achievement awards will also be given for exemplary service to the NeXT community, most innovative NeXTSTEP application, and outstanding use of NeXTSTEP use at a customer site. NeXTWORLD, a publication of the International Data Group, the world leader in information services on information technology, is based in San Francisco, where it publishes a bimonthly magazine and monthly newspaper for users of NeXTSTEP computers. -30-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Subject: DESKTOP2.0 -- VALID DEMO AT NEW FTPSITES/ASK FOR FREE DEMO FLOPPY Message-ID: <1993Mar29.212341.1027@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: sieu@cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 21:23:41 GMT I am surprised that the demo Desktop2.0.tar.Z at cs.orst.edu and sonata.cc.purdue.edu are corrupted. (For those who don't know, Desktop is a powerful yet easy-to-use workspace extender which gives you virtual screens, new type of dock icons and more!.) Anyway, Desktop2.0.tar.Z is now available at the following ftpsites: ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de in /pub/next/Shareware garbo.uwasa.fi in /next/demo They are now write protected. Special thanks to Robert and Harri for their help. Nevertheless, it is advisable to validate that the checksum is correct and the length is 978739 bytes. >>ftp> get Desktop2.0.tar.Z >>200 PORT command successful. >>150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for Desktop2.0.tar.Z (978739 bytes). >>% sum Desktop2.0.tar.Z >>31420 956 To get product info on Desktop or a free full demo floppy via snail mail, please email me your name, address and telephone number or call me. Johnson Sieu sieu@cory.berkeley.edu P.O. Box 367 Berkeley, CA 94701-0367 tel: 510-848-5409
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: mxgdb and xxgdb with Co-Xist 3.0? Date: 29 Mar 1993 22:16:47 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1p7ovv$17s@steffi.demon.co.uk> Has anybody got mxgdb and or xxgdb going with Co-Xist 3.0? If so which versions of each and how? Currently when I run xxgdb I get an error on the console and when I run mxgdb all appears to look ok but it doesn't load the source files. cheers.
From: michael@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Message-ID: <1p7f81$g57@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: 29 Mar 93 18:30:25 GMT References: <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands In article <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: > Or, you can replace /usr/ucb/uncompress with gzip (I mv'd uncompress to > uncompres.old, and ln -s /usr/local/bin/gzip uncompress), DON'T do this if you want to *send* NeXTMail to people. NextMail uses /usr/ucb/compress. If you replace this with gzip the receiving side will have to do so as well. ---Of course it would be best if everyone replaced compress with gzip since gzip can uncompresss .Z files as well as .z files, but the world doesn't work that way :-(. > Of course, if you don't use gnutar, then gzcat is the way to do it. Or put /usr/local/bin in front of /usr/ucb in you path and just use zcat (With will be a link to gzip). Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: How many People Still Running 2.x Message-ID: <1993Mar25.143458.20954@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <1151@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <1993Mar23.182816.11193@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 14:34:58 GMT vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Ivan Vesely) writes: >It looks like I'm in the minority. I'm still running 2.1 on both of my >machines. The main reason I did not upgrade to 3.0 was because of the horror >stories I've been hearing on the net (YEST this net) about all the things that >have gone wrong with 3.0, particularly the problem with WordPerfect. I use WP >daily, along with a few commercial packages and lots of public domain stuff, >and I didn't want to spend a lot of time upgrading for a marginal benefit. In >my mind, the benefit would be marginal because we have monochrome machines >only, we don't use any data base utilities, and have SGI machines for the 3-D >stuff. Basically, if it works, don't fix it... >-- >Ivan Vesely, Electrical Engineering and Medical Biophysics >University of Western Ontario, vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca The horror stories are highly* overrated, especially for people using the machines in a basic fashion, as you describe. We put off upgrading our network to 3.0 on the same basis, but once we actually started testing things out, we decided it was all bunk and did the upgrade. So far we have yet to encounter any reason why we should have waited. In specific, Word Perfect is no worse off under 3.0 than it was under 2.x, once you get their recent upgrade. The "if it works don't fix it" idea may be great in general, but I'd advise you to have a forward-looking view-point. Apps built on 3.0 systems can not, in general, be run on 2.x systems. Soon, developers are going to quit trying to develop for 2.x, and move ahead. New development spurred on by the release of NS Intel is unlikely to support the few black machines still running 2.x. If you haven't done the upgrade and worked out whatever glitches there may be, you'll be caught out when you need a piece of software that doesn't work. (Maybe this isn't a big concern if you already have all the apps you want, and if they're never upgraded to non-2.x versions that you want to use.) Also keep in mind that your machines have been obsoleted on you; you might want to move them forward while you still can, most easily. My experience has been that support is easier to obtain from vendors when I'm more closely tracking their releases than when I'm way back in the boonies with years-old stuff that I never upgraded. This is bound to be especially true with obsoleted equipment. Small-ish NeXT developers may not be able to afford supporting both 2.x and 3.x versions of their software, while new developers coming on-line with NS Intel won't care or even be able to support NS 2.x. Then again, you might want to leave 'em as is, since they're already obsolete. :~) -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are easier royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | to write and run faster, too." or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | ad for OS/2 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala) Subject: Problems with 030 NeXT and Supra modem Message-ID: <1993Mar26.082012.27631@news.cs.tut.fi> Keywords: bbs modem 030 Sender: usenet@news.cs.tut.fi (#Kotilo NEWS system ) Organization: Tampere University of Technology Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 08:20:12 GMT This is a forwarded message from Juha Tuominen I have a 030 NeXT with 16 MB RAM and I'm planning of setting up a bbs, but because there are no handshaking lines on 030 machines, I'm not sure if I can do it. My modem is ideal for Unix bbs, because terminal speed could always be for example 19.2 kbps and line speed depends on caller. But missing handshaking lines would probably cause a lot of problems, especially if a caller uses 1200 bps and terminal speed is 19.2 kbps. Is there a way to solve this? I'm not planning of upgrading my machine to 040..! Second question. Is there a fully functioning fax driver available for supra fax modem? I'd prefer PD, but if you know where to order a commercial one, let me know. Thanks. -Juha -- Pasi Ojala Why does my signature keep changing?? po87553@cs.tut.fi Am I doing something wrong?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu (Chris Osborn) Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Message-ID: <C4o144.M5x@nvcc.uucp> Organization: Napa Valley College References: <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> <rabjab.90.733276917@golem.ucsd.edu> <1993Mar28.001645.1956@macc.wisc.edu> <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 19:36:03 GMT In article <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: >Or, you can replace /usr/ucb/uncompress with gzip (I mv'd uncompress to >uncompres.old, and ln -s /usr/local/bin/gzip uncompress), and use gnutar's z >flag and it'll work just fine (because gnutar forks off /usr/ucb/compress, >which is in reality /usr/local/bin/gzip). No, that won't work. GNU tar forks off /usr/ucb/compress, like you said. Compress doesn't know anything about the gzip'd stuff. I'm definitely not going to replace my compress with gzip, because I want to still be able to compress files, not gzip them. The choice of .z was stupid. From the README with gzip: gzip produces files with a .z extension. This was chosen to mimic the 'compress' .Z extension. Using exactly the same extension would have caused too much confusion. Using a completely different extension would have forced changes in other programs such as GNU tar (which has a -z option). The .z extension is already used by the 'pack' Huffman encoder, but gunzip is able to decompress packed files. This is wrong. GNU tar doesn't care what the extension on a file is when you give it the -z option. I do it all the time on files that don't have a .Z or .z at all. It is really convenient for untarring compressed files that have had their file names munched from a download. -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu fozztexx@groucho.sonoma.edu NeXTMail ok at both
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: * * * RightBrain's PasteUp 2.0 Sale 50% OFF: ends March 31 * * * Message-ID: <1163@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 29 Mar 93 23:54:20 GMT References: <1993Mar29.173545.1153@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Waihon Andrew Kwong writes > One quick question, can pasteUp do equations and bibliography?? Nope. We recommend EquationBuilder for doing equations. PasteUp supports their baseline reference for dropping them into text with the baseline aligned correctly, and there's no way we could write as good an equation editor as they've already done. Furthermore, you can actually drag and drop .eqb files directly into PasteUp; you don't have to save them as EPS or anything. We don't support bibliographies particularly well. Our main strengths are speed (launches in about 1 second), ease of use (very intuitive) infinite flexibility, good typography, and great support for included graphics. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Date: 30 Mar 1993 02:02:09 GMT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Message-ID: <1p89n1$nlr@umd5.umd.edu> References: <1993Mar28.001645.1956@macc.wisc.edu> <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> <C4o144.M5x@nvcc.uucp> Oops, mixed up my compresses. If you make UNcompress go to gzip, you can UNcompress/UNtar .tar.z files with gnutar. As long as compress is the same ol' compress, you shouldn't have any problems. (/usr/ucb/compress and /usr/ucb/uncompress are the same file, one's a hard link to the other. Just mv uncompress uncompress.old and ln gzip to uncompress and compress will stay right where it is, now being a hardlink to uncompress.old (or vice versa.) ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ "The chain which can be yanked is not the eternal chain." -- G. Fitch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: volume during this week Message-ID: <1993Mar30.055204.26739@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Mar28.010638.1303@gerilla> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 05:52:04 GMT In article <1993Mar28.010638.1303@gerilla> gerilla!mgilula (Marshall Gilula) writes: > is it my imagination, or has the volume gone done on the > mail in c.s.n.m this past week? Maybe because NeXT's hostile-user extermination teams have be&*$%# .... NO CARRIER
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Opener.app (was Re: decompress *.z files not "Z") Message-ID: <1993Mar30.081105.5663@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA References: <1p89n1$nlr@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 08:11:05 GMT Hi, Thanks for all of you who have been providing so much info on the GNU .z file. Instead of debating whether uncompress should be replaced by gnutar or not, why not just make the extentions in the Opener.app to be able to decompress *.z files accordingly? -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1993Mar30.041544.10745@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 04:15:44 GMT In article <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> hal@nexus.yorku.ca (Harvey Haldorson) writes: > Well, simple question: > > While I will surely want to pull the 486sx25 out and plug in > a DX250, and thus not need to worry, I was wondering if NS486 would > run on a 486sx system. It does, but the performance is poor. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: curt@doumi.ucr.edu (Curt Burgess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: multipage tiff to postscript conversion Message-ID: <28213@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: 30 Mar 93 07:48:01 GMT Sender: news@galaxy.ucr.edu Here's my problem...I'm scanning in multipage documents on an HSD scanner which saves them as multipage tiff files. I want to put these documents on an FTP server, which means they need to be postscript files. I've tried PixelMagician which will do a file conversion (tiff to postscript), but will not save the file as multipage. That is, even though the tiff file is multipage, the resulting ps file can only be saved as the single page being viewed. Will Adobe Illustrator or PasteUp do multipage conversions? Some other product? Has anyone successfully dealt with this problem? Am I the first person on earth who ever needed to do this? (impression I get from two companies!) Thanks for any leads! Curt Burgess -- Dr. Curt Burgess, Cognitive Psychology Program Department of Psychology, Univ Calif-Riverside, Riverside, CA 92521-0426 USA Internet: curt@cassandra.ucr.edu <<< NeXT mail ok MaBellNet: (909) 787-2392 FAX: (909) 787-3985
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman) Subject: The simplest way to produce an icon-size tiff from an arbitrary tiff? Message-ID: <1993Mar30.110829.3670@stc.nato.int> Sender: usenet@stc.nato.int (USENET messages) Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 11:08:29 GMT Please tell me what that is. thanks. -- Ton Koelman e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!) SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD The Hague The Netherlands (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: How to hack together a 3rd party Next keyboard? Message-ID: <1993Mar30.120140.9692@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 12:01:40 GMT Has anyone ever used an alternative keyboard on a non-ADB system? Details appreciated! Robert de Lucca email: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: pjm@SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Pedro J. Moreno) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Playing and Recording sounds simultaneously. Message-ID: <C4pGtr.tx.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 30 Mar 93 14:13:02 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.C4pGtr.tx.2 Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Sorry if this is a FAQ, I am sort of new to the NeXT programming world. Here is my problem: I just got a hardware box that performs some operations on analog signals. I want to study what operations this box performs. What I want to do is to send a database of speech files to the D/A converter and simultaneously record the analog signal coming from the box. At first I thought that a simple unix script calling sndplay and sndrecord would suffice, but now I realize I need sinchronyzation of the recording and playing operations. So, my question is if this is possible, and if someone could give me some small program I could use as a kernel to play and record a file simultaneously. My programming skills in the NeXT are low, so I figure perhaps the distributed knowledge in the net could help..... thanks Pedro. -- Pedro J. Moreno (NeXTMail OK) Ph.D. Student Electrical and Computer Engineering Speech Group pjm@stevens.speech.cs.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: volume during this week Message-ID: <tlm.733503164@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Mar28.010638.1303@gerilla> <1993Mar30.055204.26739@cs.yale.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 14:52:44 GMT In <1993Mar30.055204.26739@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <1993Mar28.010638.1303@gerilla> gerilla!mgilula (Marshall Gilula) >writes: >> is it my imagination, or has the volume gone done on the >> mail in c.s.n.m this past week? >Maybe because NeXT's hostile-user extermination teams have be&*$%# .... >NO CARRIER Hmmmmm.....Nathan's eradication aside (let's hope he was only wounded :) it might be argued (by those who like to argue :) that the creation of .advocacy doomed .misc to the backwaters of bandwidth. Seems like most of the articles here start as questions, evolve into arguments/humor/moral spouting, and are then redirected to .advocacy. This might not seem so important, except I've yet to see an argument in .advocacy evolve into a fact based discussion that gets redirected to .misc. Kind of like Parkinson's Law, the size of government only grows, and at a rate unrelated to the amount of work to be done :) Follow-ups to .advocacy ?? Tom (who never posts to .advocacy :) Marchioro
From: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Date: 30 Mar 1993 16:15:11 GMT Organization: Sematech Research, Texas A&M University Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1p9rmfINNi0m@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1993Mar28.072148.2736@colorado.edu> <1993Mar28.104549.1668@yvax.byu.edu> In article <1993Mar28.104549.1668@yvax.byu.edu> sean@digaudio.byu.edu writes: > [..] >radio.tar.Z might also do the trick, though you'll have to do some >twiddling with gateways. It's available on nova. > [..] There is also "netfone" which works on sparcs, and you might be able to hack up for the next. Better yet, there is CB.app -- It works great, but I don't know whether the author(s) put it on the net yet. I saw an older version of it (NS 2.0) on the archives, but I know there is a better version which perhaps the authors didn't put out yet. You CB guys -- what's the story with CB? -- -- Andrew Duchowski | -- -- Texas A&M University | This page intentionally blank -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail) | -- -- andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail) | --
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail.app does not launch anymore.... Date: 30 Mar 1993 16:04:41 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1p9r2p$hji@menudo.uh.edu> This is the strangest thing I have encountered on my NeXTstation Turbo running 3.0. Since yesterday, the Mail.app does not launch anymore. When I double-click the icon in the dock, the icon highlights as if to launch and then just returns to its previous state. As if the application dies as soon as it begins to launch. What could be the problem? Thanks. -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
From: fiorini@paola.dei.unipd.it (Paolo Fiorini) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Computer for sale Message-ID: <C4p4Bw.EHo@dei.unipd.it> Date: 30 Mar 93 09:43:08 GMT Sender: usenet@dei.unipd.it Organization: Universita' di Padova, Italia NeXT System for Sale!! Due to the bad business situation, I have to sell my new NeXTstation TurboColor: 16 MB Ram, 400 MB HD, ADB keyboard, Sony 17" Trinitron monitor, NeXT printer. Plus a few external peripherals: Zyxel Fax/Modem/Voice with NXFax software, Micronet 1GB external disk, Micronet 150 MB streaming tape, Micronet CD player. Plus a few application: Adobe Illustrator, SoftPC, Word Perfect. Plus a complete set of manuals. All bought last December with extended warranty. I can sell the whole thing or separate pieces and the price is very interesting. If interested, call Paolo at +(39)45-527195 or send e-mail to fiorini@paola.dei.unipd.it -- Paolo Fiorini Jet Propulsion Laboratory ph: +1 818 354-9061 California Institute of Technology fiorini@telerobotics.jpl.nasa.gov
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Date: 30 Mar 1993 17:06:34 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1p9umqINNp01@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> <1p7f81$g57@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> >> > Or, you can replace /usr/ucb/uncompress with gzip (I mv'd uncompress to >> > uncompres.old, and ln -s /usr/local/bin/gzip uncompress), >> >> DON'T do this if you want to *send* NeXTMail to people. NextMail uses Eh? You can replace /usr/ucb/uncompress and /usr/ucb/zcat by gzip with impunity. This only extends their functionality. It's replacing /usr/ucb/compress that gets you into trouble with NeXTMail. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Question Message-ID: <1p9l5jINN7o@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: 30 Mar 93 14:23:47 GMT References: <1993Mar28.204612.22194@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Organization: the Borg In article <1993Mar28.204612.22194@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) writes: > Scott Hess writes > > > Otherwise, dial the phone. If they have a computer, they probably > > have a telephone. > <suff deleted> > You see, I had ethernet into my dorm room, but no phone. =) > I'm walking around with this idea for quite some time. The only problem is that I want to rigourously compress the sound so it will have a small impact on a 56kbs line (I'm thinking of 2400 bps LPC or 4800bps CELP). Does anyone have some code for this? (Yes I have read the DSP FAQ but the CELP code mentioned in that FAQ is very slow, a pointer to a good article would also be welcome!) -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: whr@lanl.gov (William H. Reed) Subject: Communicating with NeXTbus Board Message-ID: <1993Mar30.175012.22427@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 17:50:12 GMT Does anyone know how to communicate with a NeXTbus board using the slot driver that is installed by BusProbe? I can't find any information about how to do this in the manuals. I very badly need an example of how to do this. Bill Reed whr@lanl.gov
From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is tcsh available for the NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Mar30.182359.27700@oracle.us.oracle.com> Date: 30 Mar 93 18:23:59 GMT Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. The subject says it all. I wanted to know if I could ftp the tcsh fro NeXT. Thanks, Eric ebosco@us.oracle.com
From: masud@invnext.worldbank.org (masud cader) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Wanted: Faxmodem advice Keywords: fax, modems, drivers, next Message-ID: <1993Mar30.191508.18107@worldbank.org> Date: 30 Mar 93 19:15:08 GMT Sender: news@worldbank.org Organization: The World Bank, Washington, DC, USA I am planning to use SLIP/PPP and hope to buy a high speed modem. However, I would like to purchase a modem which has fax capability with auto data/fax switching and which could "parse" incoming calls for data or fax (and optionally-but REALLY not required voice). Your advice, comments, specifications and musings on this matter will be greatly appreciated. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Masud Cader Trading Analytics The World Bank masud@invnext.worldbank.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: goli@plains (Venkata Nagarjuna Rao Goli) Subject: POSTGRES DBMS on NeXT Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Message-ID: <C4puEp.Bwx@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 19:06:25 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Hello Friends, is there any body who installed POSTGRES database management system on NeXT machines. I tried to install it on my NeXT but came to know that POSTGRES needs shared memory and NeXT don't support that. Do you know how to fix this problem. I have Release 2.0 on my NeXT. Please email me. Thanks in advance, (GOLI)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: NeXT CD-Rom command specifications? Message-ID: <1993Mar30.204413.469@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 20:44:13 GMT Can anyone tell me about or point me to the command specifications for controlling the audio playback features of the NeXT CD-Rom drive? I'd like to write an App that uses this, but I can't find the particulars. Do I get it from Sony? NeXT? The manual that came with the CD-Rom drive contains only such pearls of wisdom as "If a solid object or liquid falls into the CD-ROM drive's cabinet, turn off the computer and immediately unplug the drive". Matthew --
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Does ADB keyboard need new ROM? Date: 30 Mar 1993 20:58:49 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1paca9INNonk@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: ADB, keyboard I tried to order a monochrome monitor (N4000A) and Starting Point Kit for a venerable cube, but NeXT is out of stock on the old Starting Point Kit. So, I ordered an N4000B monitor and the new (ADB) Starting Point Kit. Is this all I need? I vaguely remember someone posting that a new ROM might be needed. If not all ROM monitor versions support ADB, which ones do? Please post and e-mail me too. Thanks! -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New NeXT ordering numbers Date: 30 Mar 1993 21:05:01 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pacltINNpd0@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: NeXT spins off sales FYI, items like the 3.0 CD-ROM and User's Guide are now available from UCA; phone (800)677-6398. The Public Domain CD-ROM for Education is available from Select Marketing; phone (800)879-6398. These numbers were supplied by NeXT. P.S. Notice how both numbers end in -6398? What an amazing coincidence :-)! -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: bmwu@athena.mit.edu (Benson M. Wu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help formatting HP C2247 HD Date: 30 Mar 1993 21:03:35 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: na Message-ID: <1pacj7INNgjv@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Keywords: HP C2247 HD, NeXT Cube I have a few questions regarding using the HP C2247 HD with a NeXT computer. Any tips are appreciated. Background info: I bought this drive as an internal drive about 6 weeks ago. It was apparently used as an internal HD on some workstation computer. Someone converted it to an external HD this week. He had hooked it up to a Mac and ran Silverlining 5.40 and told me that it works and it's 512 bytes per sector. My goals are: 1. change it to 1024 bytes per sector. 2. build system 3.0 on this HD. I currently have a Fujitsu 2263 HD as my interanl HD on a 68040 Cube running system 2.1. I would like to have the choice to boot from either HD as needed. My experience so far: When I hook up this drive initially, the Cube was not able to recognize the drive. It did ask me if I want to initialize the HD. I answered yes and the system choked. I opened up the HD, changed some of the jumpers to a setting so that the HD would be in Asynchronous mode. I then manually formatted the drive with the disk command without any problems. The drive however is at 512 bytes per sector. I would like to make this drive 1024 bytes per sector. So I checked the archives and found Rory Bolt's the-formatter 1.2. It found the drive. However, when I asked the program to format the HPC2247, it gave me a "mode sense " error. I am not sure what that means. The Workspace manager then told me that the drive had a little damage. I re-initialized it and the drive mounted fine. So I am interested in any information that will help me reformat this drive to 1024 bytes per sector. In addition, I would like to know what I should add to my fstab and disktab files so that I could boot from this HD once I installed 3.0 on it. Currently, the external HD has scsi #2 and the internal HD has scsi #1. I wonder if I can just change the scsi ID of the external HD to 0 so that I can boot from it when I want to. sorry, I know this is verbose. Thanks in advance for your help. Best regards, Benson M. Wu bmwu@athena.mit.edu
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: pins to encode memory speed on SIMMs Date: 30 Mar 1993 21:16:54 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1padc6INNqpp@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: 100, 80, 70, 60 nanoseconds I have some 80ns SIMMs which my NeXT reports as 100 ns. Someone posted what pins on a SIMM encode the speed; would some kind soul who saved a copy please e-mail it to me? Thanks! -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: somaiya@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Sandeep Somaiya) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Overridding Workspace Manager Message-ID: <4246@creatures.cs.vt.edu> Date: 30 Mar 93 22:11:47 GMT Sender: usenet@creatures.cs.vt.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA Hi! I'm trying to set up an account on my machine so that when you login a custom application launches [instead of Workspace Manager]. When a user clicks on "Quit" or "Cmd-q" the application quits and logs the user out. To accomplish this I set up an account "demo" and wrote the following command to the "demo" users default database: $ dwrite loginwindow Workspace <my_custom_application> Now, when I login into this "demo" account everything is fine i.e. the workspace manager doesnot launch and my custom application comes up. But now as soon as I select the application the machine just hangs up. Do I have to do something more than what I mentioned above? Has anyone else had similar problems? Any help would be appreciated. Sandeep Somaiya Virginia Tech. Dept of Computer Science
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1993Mar30.222324.164528@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 30 Mar 93 22:23:24 GMT References: <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> hal@nexus.yorku.ca (Harvey Haldorson) writes: > Well, simple question: > > While I will surely want to pull the 486sx25 out and plug in > a DX250, and thus not need to worry, I was wondering if NS486 would > run on a 486sx system. > > Any hypothesis? > > hal@nexus.yorku.ca In a word yes. NS 486/FIP or what ever they finally call it will run on any "true" 486. That includes SX, DX, and DX/2. Be warned that a math coprocessor is HIGHLY recommended. Also non true 486s that don't implement the full 486 instruction set will not worl. As far as I know as of now only Intel and IBM make "true" 486s with AMD reportedly waited for legalities to be clearded before they release theirs. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mail.app problem solved.. Date: 30 Mar 1993 22:31:14 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pahni$ltk@menudo.uh.edu> Thanks to everybody who replied with the correct solution. When I deleted the lock file in the Active.mbox folder, Mail.app launched normally. -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
From: caj8106@shiner.tamu.edu (Curtis Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: fonts Date: 30 Mar 1993 23:05:00 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pajmsINN96g@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: fonts I am trying to put together a collection of PD Postscript fonts for the NeXT. If anyone has any PD fonts that they would like to add to the collection it would be most appreciated. For all those who contribute, I will send the collected fonts and notes to you if you like. Send all submissions to : caj8106@shiner.tamu.edu Please, if possible, give some kind of description along with the font. Thanks for you support, Curtis Johnson caj8106@shiner.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gln@harvey.in-berlin.de (Gerhard Lehmann) Subject: Dialer for Zyxel 1496E+ Message-ID: <QM4BB9OD@harvey.in-berlin.de> Organization: Sgt. Fathom Soc. Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 22:37:38 GMT Hello, I'm looking for a Dialer for the zyxel 1496E+. So far I can see there is the old Version 2 UUCP in this machine. In my old xenix-times, I had a special Dialer for my Robotics V32bis. Is there something like this or what do I have to do? Any help is gratefully appreciated Gerhard Lehmann - Gerhard Lehmann gln@harvey.in-berlin.de Tel. (Voice) +49 30 4615860 Reinickendorfer Str. 45 1000 Berlin 65
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP with 3.0 OPEN/SAVE Panels Message-ID: <1993Mar30.232047.189778@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 30 Mar 93 23:20:47 GMT Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo I was reading along in the 3,0 release notes (lots of neat things in there) about how the width of columns in open/save panels are set by the width of columns in the file viewer. Then for some stupid reason I go and resize a open panel. Now I have only one column in all open and save panels not two! How can I fix this??? Not being able to see two depths of the dir listing is killing me. Many thanks to anyone who knows how to solve this problem. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: Internet as a Telephone? Message-ID: <C4q03L.9A9@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <1993Mar28.072148.2736@colorado.edu> <1993Mar28.104549.1668@yvax.byu.edu> <1p9rmfINNi0m@tamsun.tamu.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 21:09:16 GMT In article <1p9rmfINNi0m@tamsun.tamu.edu> andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) writes: >In article <1993Mar28.104549.1668@yvax.byu.edu> sean@digaudio.byu.edu writes: >> [..] >>radio.tar.Z might also do the trick, though you'll have to do some >>twiddling with gateways. It's available on nova. >> [..] > >You CB guys -- what's the story with CB? The new version of CB is on cs.orst.edu in the submissions directory last I looked. It works great, and is a much improved version over the previous versions. David Moffet has included a feature which allows you to pass files around by dropping them in a well beside the CB transmit button. The person you are talking to sees the icon appear in the well next to his talk button. To tell the truth, we only use it on our LAN here in the Psychology department, but it makes tracking people down much easier in our lab. We have it set up so that everyone auto-runs it from the dock and so it acts kind of like a combination of rwho and ytalk, but interactive. Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: multipage tiff to postscript conversion Message-ID: <1164@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 30 Mar 93 20:34:27 GMT References: <28213@galaxy.ucr.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Curt Burgess writes > > Here's my problem...I'm scanning in multipage documents on an > HSD scanner which saves them as multipage tiff files. I want > to put these documents on an FTP server, which means they need > to be postscript files. Why don't you just use "Print" in the HSD scanner app, and select "Save" on the Print Panel? It seems to me that multi-page TIFF files are an oddity at best. I never knew the TIFF spec even supported them (does it?!). If the HSD app knows about them already (having created them), then it can probably print them to PostScript files as well. Be prepared for HUGE files. > Will Adobe Illustrator or PasteUp do multipage conversions? We (PasteUp) don't know about them yet. I sent a message to HSD to try to find out more about it. > Am I the first person on earth who ever needed to do > this? (impression I get from two companies!) Yes, actually I think you are. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu (Chris Osborn) Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Message-ID: <C4pu22.3Bu@nvcc.uucp> Organization: Napa Valley College References: <1993Mar28.001645.1956@macc.wisc.edu> <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> <C4o144.M5x@nvcc.uucp> <1p89n1$nlr@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 18:58:49 GMT In article <1p89n1$nlr@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: >Oops, mixed up my compresses. > >If you make UNcompress go to gzip, you can UNcompress/UNtar .tar.z files with >gnutar. No you can't!!!! GNU tar *does not* fork uncompress! It forks /usr/ucb/compress to decompress files. At least both the version I installed and the version provided by NeXT on 3.0. >As long as compress is the same ol' compress, you shouldn't have any problems. >(/usr/ucb/compress and /usr/ucb/uncompress are the same file, one's a hard >link to the other. Just mv uncompress uncompress.old and ln gzip to >uncompress and compress will stay right where it is, now being a hardlink to >uncompress.old (or vice versa.) Yes, this is what I did do. But it is of no value. GNU tar doesn't use uncompress at all. It uses compress for both decompression and compression. I'm definitely not going to relink my compress! -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu fozztexx@groucho.sonoma.edu NeXTMail ok at both
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) Subject: Uploads to FTP sites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <1993Mar30.071608.21193@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Agnus' Home, Leonberg/Warmbronn, Germany Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 07:16:08 GMT Once again! When uploading you own programs to FTP sites, please please please please please do: - NOT include the "obj/" folder! - If you upload the source code, do NOT include the binary--everyone is able to construct the binary by typing "make"! - If you want to upload the binary too, make an extra archive with only the binary inside! - When uploading the binary, remove debug information by typing "strip <binary name>" before archiving! Mostly, this reduces the archive size from hundreds of kB to less than 100 kB. - Use "tar" and "gzip" or "tar" and "freeze" or "Squash" instead of "tar" and "compress" as compressors. This reduces archive size, too. I hate FTP'ing and downloading a 900 kB archive to find out later that source and binary are included, the binary has 850 kB because of debug information instead 100 kB without, and the compilers object files are also included and absolutely useless to me. If I want them, I simply type "make". FTP'ing and downloading only the source code would save 800 kB of transfer costs and time--for many people, not only for me. Please excuse my bad English ... Thank you, Matthias -- ** Matthias Zepf, Riegelaeckerstrasse 27, 71 229 Leonberg, Germany ** ** +49 7152 41917 Email: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (use NeXTmail!) **
From: strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP HELP optical still not mount!!! Date: 31 Mar 93 00:56:11 GMT Organization: University of Washington Distribution: na Message-ID: <strobel.733539371@dirac> Summary: optical still not mount after valiant attempts Keywords: optical mount super-block HELP HELP HELP Help! I cannot get an optical disk filled with research data/programs to mount! In the console I get this error: od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 8 phys block 63448 (8114:0:8). Here's what I've tried: Block 8 is a super-block. Using fsck with the alternate super-block 16 brings up a number of blocks above block #151264 that it cannot read. After responding yes to all of the proposed changes fsck suggested (what else could I do?) it indicated the number of files used and free (at end of phase 5). It then said that it could not write to block 8. Repeated attempts with fsck turned up the same blocks not being read. The OD still will not mount and I cannot access any of the files. Is there a way to tell the mount command to use a different super-block? Is there any way I can repair block 8 phys block 63448? Please, please let me know!! I have cleaned the OD and the OD drive and filter. I have also tried what some people suggested: mounting the OD as read only then remounting it as read-write. It tries to read block 8, fails, and will not mount with any of the IO options. Is there anyway I can get the mount command to use alternate super-blocks? I need to get it mounted before I can attempt to copy over any files. Anybody have any other ideas? Nick Strobel strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Date: 31 Mar 1993 00:55:04 GMT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Message-ID: <1paq58$kov@umd5.umd.edu> References: <C4o144.M5x@nvcc.uucp> <1p89n1$nlr@umd5.umd.edu> <C4pu22.3Bu@nvcc.uucp> In article <C4pu22.3Bu@nvcc.uucp> fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu (Chris Osborn) writes: >No you can't!!!! GNU tar *does not* fork uncompress! It forks >/usr/ucb/compress to decompress files. At least both the version I >installed and the version provided by NeXT on 3.0. Y'know, this worked for me the first time I tried it. Then I read your post, went back to look at the source, and tried it again. Now it didn't work. I'm assuming compress -d means uncompress, as that's not documented in the man pages on a 3.0 system (or a 2.1 one). So, you could either not try to use gnutar to view .z'd files, OR you could modify line 481 in buffer.c of gnutar-1.10's source to use uncompress instead of compress -d (do some systems not HAVE 'uncompress'?), which works fine as I just checked that. [In case my line 481 isn't the same as someone else's line 481.... if(ar_reading) /* used to be compress/compress/-d */ execlp("uncompress", "uncompress", (char *)0); /* 481 */ else execlp("compress", "compress", (char *)0); msg_perror("can't exec compress"); ] >compression. I'm definitely not going to relink my compress! Never asked you to. To comment on why we're still arguing about this, well, SOMEONE complained about bandwidth, didn't they? :-) >Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 >Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 >fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu >fozztexx@groucho.sonoma.edu NeXTMail ok at both ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ "The question is rather: if we ever succeed in making a mind 'of nuts and bolts', how will we know we have succeeded? -- Fergal Toomey "It will tell us." -- Barry Kort
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Uploads to FTP sites Message-ID: <1993Mar31.014454.22155@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Mar30.071608.21193@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 01:44:54 GMT Matthias Zepf writes > Once again! When uploading you own programs to FTP sites, > please please please do: > > - NOT include the "obj/" folder! > - If you upload the source code, do NOT include the > binary--everyone is able to construct the binary by > typing "make"! NOT TRUE. Many people do NOT have the developer's tools, because of disk space limitations. ALWAYS include a binary. However, I definitely agree with: > - If you want to upload the binary too, make an extra archive > with only the binary inside! > - When uploading the binary, remove debug information by > typing "strip <binary name>" before archiving! Mostly, > this reduces the archive size from hundreds of kB to less > than 100 kB. Not to mention users' disk space. At the very least, if you include both source and binary together, indicate what can be deleted to make an executable only configuration. > - Use "tar" and "gzip" or "tar" and "freeze" or "Squash" instead of > "tar" and "compress" as compressors. This reduces archive size, > too. Again, I disagree, tar and compress are on all systems. gzip is not (someone correct me?). Squash is a commercial product. Even though freeware gzips and UnSquash utilities are available, few people know where to find them/how to use them. Look at all the bandwidth recently devoted to figuring out how to deal with .z files. And periodically there is a flood of `what the h* is a .squfile?' questions. > Please excuse my bad English ... The English is fine. The assumption that everybody who ftps is a developer is not. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Did csna die again? Date: 31 Mar 1993 01:47:24 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pat7cINN87c@uwm.edu> Originator: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Hi, Is it just me or did the moderator over on csna die again? It has been at least two weeks since the last posting, and I know for a fact that some people have tried to post to it. I don't at all mind a moderated group, but that moderator has responsibilites that have to be kept otherwise whats the point? What also irks me is that it wasn't to long ago that this happened also. Anyway, it may just be me getting up on the wrong side of the bed, but..... -- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Where to find keyboards period... Message-ID: <C4orr0.oo@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Mar28.222106.23181@wam.umd.edu> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 05:11:24 GMT In article <1993Mar28.222106.23181@wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) writes: > What I'd like to know is, where can I find just any keyboard > that will work with a NON-ADB NeXTstation, short of buying > another NeXTstation with keyboard? Has ANYONE ever wired > a non-NeXT keyboard? What on earth can we do if ours goes and > no Next keyboards are available? That goes for the mouse > (and monitor)... > > LAB > Well as far as the mouse goes you go buy one for an Amiga. I'm going to pick up a track ball tomarrow. I read that they work so I went and looked in the Amiga Hardware Reference, they use quadrature signals just like a NeXT. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft) Subject: New version of SimonSays available. Demo also. Message-ID: <1993Mar31.015955.241@agog.com> Sender: greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft) Organization: Agog, Inc. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 01:59:55 GMT A new version of SimonSays is available and is free to anyone who can get it via ftp. Everyone else is going to have to contact HSD (1-800-828-5522) and pay some type of handling charge. host: ftp.msen.com path: pub/vendor/agog/next The version is 1.1e and requires NeXTStep 3.0. It runs in demo mode without a key. New Features: Hot Key access to all macros. You can attach a keyboard combination to macros so that you can still run your macros while you are on the phone. If you don't like voice recognition you can disable recognition and use the product as a vanilla macro program. 2 new macro object types. You can open files as part of a macro. A delay object. The paste object now supports images. Great for mail sigs. You can activate another application from within a macro. This makes it possible to make a single macro that will bring up the Workspace console from within any application. A simple API interface. Example source is in the release notes. -greg. Greg Cockroft greg@agog.com Agog, Inc. Fax: (517) 627-2673 13780 North River Highway Grand Ledge, MI 48837
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft) Subject: Re: Old Squash Message-ID: <1993Mar31.021055.297@agog.com> Sender: greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft) Organization: Agog, Inc. References: <1993Mar23.223642.19909@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 02:10:55 GMT In article <1993Mar23.223642.19909@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > I've ftp'd the SimonSays demo from sonata (SimonSays1.1a.squfold) > but cannot unsquash it. Unsquash complains that it was done with an > old version of squash, and refuses to unsquash it. > > a) Where can I get a version that will unsquash it? I have version > "Beta C". > b) Isn't it silly to make a compression app that can't read it's own > files from old versions? > > -- > Jonathan W. Hendry > Drexel University College Of Info. Studies > tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu > a). See my recent post "New version of SimonSays available. Demo also." It lists an ftp site with the latest demo and the same directory also has the lastest UnSquashOnly. b). All shipping versions of Squash maintain a compatible format. You have an extremely old Beta version. The error message is wrong. It is having trouble reading the shipping formant. -greg. Greg Cockroft greg@agog.com Agog, Inc. Fax: (517) 627-2673 13780 North River Highway Grand Ledge, MI 48837
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Wanted: Faxmodem advice Message-ID: <tlm.733542626@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Keywords: fax, modems, drivers, next Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Mar30.191508.18107@worldbank.org> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 01:50:26 GMT In <1993Mar30.191508.18107@worldbank.org> masud@invnext.worldbank.org (masud cader) writes: >I am planning to use SLIP/PPP and hope to buy a high speed modem. However, I >would like to purchase a modem which has fax capability with auto data/fax >switching and which could "parse" incoming calls for data or fax (and >optionally-but REALLY not required voice). >Your advice, comments, specifications and musings on this matter will be >greatly appreciated. My supra fax modem worked right out of the box like a charm. The DFax software does all you ask and will soon support voicemail as well. Both are quite inexpensive and well worth the $. You might also want to consider a Zyxel modem and the NXFax software. It will also do what you describe, at roughly equivalent prices (i.e. you may pay less or more, depending on how hard you shop). Many people seem to feel that Zyxels handle noisy lines betterthan Supra, but my lines are awful and the Supra just trains up and down to take care of it, so I cannot criticize Supra on this score. Oh yeah, the DFax software will soon work wih the Zyxel, and the NXFax with the Supra, so you can mix and match from these various items. Hope this helps --- Tom
From: dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Uploads to FTP sites Message-ID: <1pb1c4INN7dm@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 31 Mar 93 02:58:12 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1pb1c4INN7dm References: <1993Mar30.071608.21193@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> <1993Mar31.014454.22155@leland.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University If you are going to upload anything to cs.orst.edu you can do several things to make it easier for me. -always upload a .README file. The site is _not_ on a NeXT, and I have no idea of what some of the programs do. Or who to contact if they are corrupted. Also, please mention if the upload includes source code. -I would really prefer files to be tarred and compressed; I don't have gzip or squash, or some of the other archive utilities running [yet]. The first point concerns me the most. -- Dion Dock __ __ NeXT mail? working on it / ) / ) / dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu / / o ______ / / _____. /_ /__/_<_(_) / <_ /__/_(_) (__/ <_
From: dayne@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A really dumb NeXTMail/e-mail question Date: 31 Mar 1993 03:35:13 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pb3hhINNehg@shelley.u.washington.edu> I recently received a NeXTMail message via my regular Unix e-mail account. Unfortunately, the way the NeXTs that I use here are set up, it is impossible to directly receive NeXTMail. So, I have a completely unreadable message sitting in my mailbox. How do I open that message in NeXTMail? I tried stripping the header and popping it into a NeXTMail window, but that didn't work. If someone would be so kind as to e-mail (NO NeXTMail PLEASE!) me the proper way to do this, I'd be thrilled. I'm sure it's gotta be an easy procedure, but I don't know it, and feel like a real moron... Thanks in advance- -Dayne dayne@u.washington.edu
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <1pat7cINN87c@uwm.edu> Control: cancel <1pat7cINN87c@uwm.edu> Date: 31 Mar 1993 03:41:48 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pb3tsINN9ad@uwm.edu> References: <1pat7cINN87c@uwm.edu> Originator: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu This message was cancelled from within rn. -- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: antoine@arrakis.osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Subject: Re: Where to find keyboards period... Message-ID: <1993Mar31.033022.9595@cerberus.ulaval.ca> Sender: news@cerberus.ulaval.ca Organization: Universite Laval References: <C4orr0.oo@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 03:30:22 GMT In article <C4orr0.oo@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: :-) In article <1993Mar28.222106.23181@wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea :-) Brooks) writes: :-) Well as far as the mouse goes you go buy one for an Amiga. I'm going to :-) pick up a track ball tomarrow. I read that they work so I went and looked :-) in the Amiga Hardware Reference, they use quadrature signals just like a :-) NeXT. :-) :-) Kent Do you have a Turbo? Can you post your results with the trackball when you try it -- tomorrow? Thks, Cheers! -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Antoine Gautier | | Departement OSD, FSA | | Universite Laval, Quebec, PQ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ Disclaimer: I wish my employer had opinions... :+)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Does ADB keyboard need new ROM? Message-ID: <1993Mar31.050650.10632@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1paca9INNonk@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 05:06:50 GMT In article <1paca9INNonk@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) writes: > I tried to order a monochrome monitor (N4000A) and Starting Point Kit > for a venerable cube, but NeXT is out of stock on the old Starting Point > Kit. So, I ordered an N4000B monitor and the new (ADB) Starting Point > Kit. Is this all I need? You're hosed, the old 68040-25 NeXTcube boards won't support ADB period. Only Turbo systems can use ADB; they may require a ROM upgrade, new display cable, and soundbox as well as the keyboard. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: pins to encode memory speed on SIMMs Message-ID: <1993Mar31.045748.7157@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1padc6INNqpp@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 04:57:48 GMT In article <1padc6INNqpp@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: >I have some 80ns SIMMs which my NeXT reports as 100 ns. Someone posted what >pins on a SIMM encode the speed; would some kind soul who saved a copy please >e-mail it to me? I'd also like a copy. I searched through the c.s.n.h archives on sonata.cc.purdue.edu and didn't find it--just more requests for the same information. It's not in the FAQ or sonata's "lore" directory either. Grr... -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: pins to encode memory speed on SIMMs Message-ID: <1993Mar31.051128.10716@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1padc6INNqpp@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 05:11:28 GMT In article <1padc6INNqpp@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) writes: > I have some 80ns SIMMs which my NeXT reports as 100 ns. Someone posted > what pins on a SIMM encode the speed; would some kind soul who saved a copy > please e-mail it to me? If it's the same NeXTcube you mentioned in a previous post, there is nothing you can do to change the 100 ns report. It doesn't use the SIMMs any faster than that speed. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Subject: Re: NS/I, Dell, happy stuff... References: <1993Mar17.201939.732@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: gemoe@proximus.north.de Organization: Gerhard Moeller, German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg. Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 22:04:14 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar30.220414.13806@proximus.north.de> In article <1993Mar17.201939.732@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > > So we're calling Dell in Toronto to see about getting a DE/2 DGX > machine (the one with 1120x832 resolution) for running NS/I. > > Us: "Hello, we'd like to get leasing info on a DE/2 DGX" > Dell: "Is this for NeXTSTEP?" > Us: (surprised) "How did you know?" > Dell: "Billions of people have been calling about it. The DGX is > the premier machine for NeXTSTEP" Yes, I agree. The Dell IS the premier 486 machine for NeXTSTEP. The graphic on the Dell is faster than on any other available machine (except for a full-blown ND). Compared with the other 486 it's absolutely superior. I was impressed. Gerhard. -- +---------------------------< principiis obsta! >---------------------------+ N Gerhard Moeller, Teichstrasse 12, 2900 Oldenburg (FRG) [*: 02/21/1968] N e Private: gemoe@proximus.north.de Phone (voice): +49-441-75520 e X Uni: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE NeXTmail X T Z-Net: Gerhard.Moeller@uniol.zer encouraged! T +-> NoGeNUG - Northern German NeXT User Group: NoGeNUG@proximus.north.DE <-+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schurch@weasel (Sean Church) Subject: Re: Disk Compression for NeXTSTEP? Message-ID: <1993Mar31.035825.253@pages.com> Sender: schurch@pages.com Organization: Pages Software Inc. References: <1993Mar24.041727.22385@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 03:58:25 GMT In article <1993Mar24.041727.22385@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > Peter Kron (pkron@corona.com) wrote: > : On-the-fly disk compression is a current rage in the DOS world. It would > : seem feasible for the file system model in NeXTSTEP as well. Does anyone > : wish to comment? > Once you go STACK, you never go back. No matter what your intentions were... My Dad had "The Evil One" on his PC at home, and was in love with it. Everything was compressed... and dumped to this evil little series of tapes.. then he pulled a real bonehead thing (easy to do, he's a marketing kind of guy, so in a rush to load new software that his company was developing, he obliterated his hard drive...). Now, how do you unstack the tape that the stacker software is on, when you can't locate the original stacker floppies, and the hard disk is bare? (Nobody home...) Ha ha ha ha ha .... we tore the garage apart for hours looking for those things... what a mess... My dad just pack-rats these types of things into his garage, and never really organizes them. "Stacker is in it's box where it belongs... now where is that box?" "Sure it's not in the hall closet, Dad?" "No, I remember using it just a couple of months ago..." What's worse is I have been pegged as the family PC expert (oh, gods, I thought my past would just disappear once I started working with NeXT systems...) so I got involved in an 8 hour party fest. Ever try to tell your father, who has been in the computer industry for 25 years, that he just messed up? It's bad enough my Mom is always harping "Just ask Sean, He'll fix it..." (Not good for Dad's ego, so I purposely bumble along in hopes of teaching him the little billion tricks you learn to get a PC happy...) Compression software : nothing is for free on a PC. Ever. You will be sorry ... imagine, compressing files on one PC, copying them to floppy, TAKING THEM TO A LAPTOP THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE COMPRESSION/DECOMPRESSION SOFTWARE... it's like the bends... the user will do the freak when he tries to open that file, especially if he's on a plane bound for JFK... It's for folks that think it through, or don't like purchasing hardware, or just feel lazy.. "Compress until your blue!" OF course, this all has very little to do with what you posted, just a funny story (to me...). Sean sean@pages.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: schurch@weasel (Sean Church) Subject: Re: Why NeXT isn't convincing users (was Re: Goodbye to a Friend (Clarification)) Message-ID: <1993Mar31.042335.329@pages.com> Sender: schurch@pages.com Organization: Pages Software Inc. References: <1993Mar24.163450.14431@fnbc.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 04:23:35 GMT In article <1993Mar24.163450.14431@fnbc.com> frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell) writes: (All of it deleted for posterity) They are all paranoid that they will loose their jobs! I mean, look at all the goo you go through to get anything up and running on a Unix box... and then their is the investment time in training your end users... the list goes on.But NeXTStep just works! Even I can run a network! Even I can administer the computer resources of our company! I like option b. It's a conspiracy! It just sounds better (The forces of evil trying to wipe the good guys out before they arrive in town...). Of course, I'm one of those PRO-NeXTStep folks that all my friends kind of look on as being in a sunset industry... why they ever canked their hardware, I'll never know. It was good enough for a large amount of people (Like me, but I'm biased). But, times have changed! And NeXT has rolled with the punches, and is gearing up to land on it's feat in the big world of PC's. Here's to them! The hill will be steep to climb, but the strategic position is worth the effort! Sean sean@pages.com Yeah, right. This is not a message from Pages, but me. So, call your lawyer and I'll move the 20 miles south to Mexico...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney) Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Message-ID: <C4qCy2.1x1@research.canon.oz.au> Sender: news@research.canon.oz.au Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia References: <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> <1p7f81$g57@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 01:46:49 GMT michael@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) writes: >In article <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) >writes: >> Or, you can replace /usr/ucb/uncompress with gzip (I mv'd uncompress to >> uncompres.old, and ln -s /usr/local/bin/gzip uncompress), >DON'T do this if you want to *send* NeXTMail to people. NextMail uses >/usr/ucb/compress. If you replace this with gzip the receiving side will have >to do so as well. But Mike didn't mention /usr/ucb/compress; he replaced /usr/ucb/uncompress with gzip (effectively gunzip when run as uncompress) which, as you note, is upwardly compatible with traditional uncompress. `compress' remains the same. Regs, Graham -- Graham Stoney Canon Information Systems Research Australia (whew!) Ph: + 61 2 805 2909
Control: cancel <C4qCpA.1uu@research.canon.oz.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney) Subject: cmsg cancel <C4qCpA.1uu@research.canon.oz.au> Message-ID: <C4qCyz.1xy@research.canon.oz.au> Originator: greyham@miles Sender: news@research.canon.oz.au Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia References: <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> <1p7f81$g57@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> <C4qCpA.1uu@research.canon.oz.au> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 01:47:22 GMT <C4qCpA.1uu@research.canon.oz.au> was cancelled from within rn. -- Graham Stoney Canon Information Systems Research Australia (whew!) Ph: + 61 2 805 2909
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfb@langoz.biomath.jussieu.fr (BOISVIEUX Jean-Francois) Subject: Re: Where to get User's Manual? Message-ID: <1993Mar31.065321.696@jussieu.fr> Sender: news@jussieu.fr (Le Facteur) Organization: Universite Paris VI/Paris VII References: <1993Mar25.151026.29335@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 06:53:21 GMT In article <1993Mar25.151026.29335@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi writes: > hi all, > > Who could tell, where to get NeXT User's Manual for NS 3.0? > It is frequently refered in (electronic) SysAdmin and Developer > manuals, but is missing from NS 3.0 CD Rom! > > Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi I asked several times to NeXT resellers and they seem to ignore this "feature" ! If anybody find the Electronic User's manual please submit it to a server. -- Jean-Francois Boisvieux Departement de Biomathematiques Faculte de medecine Pitie-Salpetriere 75013 Paris France
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: The simplest way to produce an icon-size tiff from an arbitrary tiff? Message-ID: <1993Mar30.190052.8036@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Mar30.110829.3670@stc.nato.int> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 19:00:52 GMT In article <1993Mar30.110829.3670@stc.nato.int> koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman) writes: > > Please tell me what that is. > > thanks. > > -- > Ton Koelman e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!) > SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD The Hague > The Netherlands (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111) Open the tiff in IconBuilder and change the size of the file then save. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: niles%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu (Niles I. Severy) Subject: ISDN Extender used with DSP port Message-ID: <C4q85F.5A8@nvcc.uucp> Sender: niles%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu (Niles I. Severy) Organization: Napa Valley College Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 00:03:12 GMT I received an ISDN Extender used with a DSP port and wish to use it to answer phone calls and take messages electronically. Is there any software available that will run in the background(demon) without the need to be logged in? -- Niles I. Severy, Associate Professor Physics Napa Valley College niles%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Does ADB keyboard need new ROM? Message-ID: <1993Mar31.000537.13306@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1paca9INNonk@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 00:05:37 GMT In article <1paca9INNonk@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) writes: > I tried to order a monochrome monitor (N4000A) and Starting Point Kit for a > venerable cube, but NeXT is out of stock on the old Starting Point Kit. So, I > ordered an N4000B monitor and the new (ADB) Starting Point Kit. Is this all I > need? > > I vaguely remember someone posting that a new ROM might be needed. If not all > ROM monitor versions support ADB, which ones do? Please post and e-mail me > too. ADB requires Turbo hardware and ROM version 74. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Uploads to FTP sites Message-ID: <1993Mar31.075857.2152@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Mar31.014454.22155@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 07:58:57 GMT In article <1993Mar31.014454.22155@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Again, I disagree, tar and compress are on all systems. gzip is not > (someone correct me?). Squash is a commercial product. Even though > freeware gzips and UnSquash utilities are available, few people know > where to find them/how to use them. Look at all the bandwidth > recently devoted to figuring out how to deal with .z files. And > periodically there is a flood of `what the h* is a .squfile?' > questions. I really, really, really agree with this. A truly standard format that all people can deal with is better than squeezing that last bit out via compression. More bandwidth has been spent helping people figure out what "squashed" files are than was saved by the compressions. Not to mention the delays and frustrations involved. If you feel you *must* use a non-standard form of compression, by all means MAKE IT CLEAR to a neophyte user what they need to decompress it in a seperate uncompressed README. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vyt@cypher.cmhnet.org (Victoria Y. Tong) Subject: New Product: PowerGuardian (Network UPS Monitor/Controller for APC) Message-ID: <1993Mar30.212315.1204@cypher.cmhnet.org> Keywords: UPS Sender: vyt@cypher.cmhnet.org Organization: BenaTong, inc. Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 21:23:15 GMT FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Victoria Tong, BenaTong EMAIL:benatong@cypher.cmhnet.org PHONE: (614) 276-7859 FAX:(614) 276-7859 (auto-switch) Availability: April 1, 1993 Pricing: $xxx.xx per UPS - cable included BenaTong announces PowerGuardian(tm) for NeXTSTEP: Monitors Uninterruptable Power Supplies and Performs Orderly System Shutdown. Works with American Power Conversion's Smart-UPS, Back-UPS, and network PowerCell. Columbus, OH, March 22, 1993 BenaTong, today announced PowerGuardian(tm), an application which provides network wide monitoring and control of American Power Conversion (APC) Uninterruptable Power Supplies (UPS) . PowerGuardian(tm) takes full advantage of NeXTSTEP's Distributed objects to allow multiple clients to monitor a variety of UPS parameters and capacities of any UPS on the network. During power failure conditions, the protected machine is shut down at user specified time and/or battery capacity levels. Complete notification is given to network users when the UPS switches to battery, when shutdown is imminent, or when line power is restored. All shutdown and notification levels are determined by the user and are completely configurable. Event logging and UPS testing are performed to the users specifications. BenaTong, based in Columbus Ohio, is a consulting firm that specializes in providing commercial applications and custom software for computers running NeXTSTEP. 30
From: COSC18QM@jetson.uh.edu (93S06842) Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NextStep 3.0 and Sather Date: 31 Mar 1993 13:34:59 GMT Organization: University of Houston, Houston, Texas. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pc6m3$k0j@menudo.uh.edu> Has anyone compiled Sather (0.2i) on a NeXT running NextStep 3.0? I tried this the other night and I think I fainnaly got the makefile correct, but I got lots of warnings (most seem to be from functions protoypes not declaring their return type). I also was unable to make the test. I got an unresolved symbol _strdup. Any pointers or information would be welcome. I'm very interested in learning Sather (and Eiffel, but I can't afford it). Please send any replies to: tsch@digicon-hou.com
From: ratlifc@ctron.com (Christian A. Ratliff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Overridding Workspace Manager Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 31 Mar 1993 13:16:52 GMT Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <ratlifc-310393081654@134.141.4.94> References: <4246@creatures.cs.vt.edu> In article <4246@creatures.cs.vt.edu>, somaiya@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Sandeep Somaiya) wrote: > > [about how to replace the WorkspaceManager successfully] I too would be extremely interested in hearing how this works. thnanks, christian -------- Christian Ratliff Cabletron Systems, Inc. ratlifc@ctron.com <NeXTmail Accepted> Rochester, NH 03867 "I'm a NeXTSTEP man, I'm an SGI guy." (603) 337-1209 These are my opinions, not those of my employer, family, or state.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jypai@ccnext.csie.nctu.edu.tw Subject: Re: Is tcsh available for the NeXT? Message-ID: <C4rCGM.1or@csie.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@csie.nctu.edu.tw Organization: Computer Sci. & Information Eng., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC References: <1993Mar30.182359.27700@oracle.us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 14:33:58 GMT In article <1993Mar30.182359.27700@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes: > > > The subject says it all. I wanted to know if I could ftp the tcsh fro > NeXT. yes, and I'm using it every day. -- Yuan +---------------------------------------------------+ ||| Pai, Jin-Yuan : consultant of NCTU CSIE CC ||| |---------------------------------------------------| | Internet Address : jypai@csie.nctu.edu.tw |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu Subject: NeXT Mailer question... Message-ID: <1993Mar31.151003.16054@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 15:10:03 GMT Is there any way to get the Berkley mailer to recognize my NeXT mail addresses? I know that you can make aliases with the Berkley mailer, but I don't want to have two sets of addresses. --------------------------------------------------------------------- mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu is Marc Meltzer President of The Meltz Inc "Our job is to play games. Our hobby is to consult."
From: rugger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Pam Miller) Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy,comp.arch,comp.os.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.admin,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.aux,comp.unix.questions Subject: Updates and Efixes Date: 31 Mar 1993 16:13:18 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pcfuuINN322@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Originator: rugger@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu Hi All, I was hoping to get some input on a boring but important area in computers. If you could design or have input on the update and emergency fix process for your system, what would you like? What would you dislike? Everyone wishes that their OS was shipped bugfree, but this is the real world. What I mean by updates is a system refresh, most vendors periodically send out updates to fix known bugs with their OS. By emergency fixes I mean the situation where you have a critical problem with your OS and your Vendor sends you a fix for that single problem. What systems do this well? Why do you like them. What systems do this in a way you dislike. What Platforms do this well. What Platforms don't do this well. Give me your wish list... Any and all input is greatly appreciated. If you get a few minutes, think about this and email me your thoughts. I am especially interested in what Vendors/Platforms do this well and which ones don't...please give me your input. If you know of any good articles on the subject, please point me to them. Thanks! -- Pam Miller, Graduate Student, Social Work, UT at Austin rugger@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft) Subject: Re: New version of SimonSays available. Demo also. Message-ID: <1993Mar31.134836.1170@agog.com> Sender: greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft) Organization: Agog, Inc. References: <1993Mar31.015955.241@agog.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 13:48:36 GMT > host: ftp.msen.com > path: pub/vendor/agog/next > > The version is 1.1e and requires NeXTStep 3.0. It runs in demo mode > without a key. > Here is a file listing for the unfortunate individuals that have to use ftp mail. The UnSquashOnly.Z file is release 1.0g for NeXTSTep 3.0. -rw-r--r-- 1 Fagog staff 887 Mar 30 20:44 SimonSays.README -rw-r--r-- 1 Fagog staff 554484 Mar 30 20:46 SimonSays.app.squfold -rw-r--r-- 1 Fagog staff 19987 Mar 30 20:41 SimonSaysNotes.1.1e.rtfd.squfold -rw-r--r-- 1 Fagog staff 208843 Nov 13 08:01 SimonSays_Manual.squfold -rw-r--r-- 1 Fagog staff 80187 Nov 9 12:34 UnSquashOnly.ForNeXTstep2.0.Z -rw-r--r-- 1 Fagog staff 79523 Nov 9 12:32 UnSquashOnly.Z -rw-r--r-- 1 Fagog staff 349 Nov 9 12:34 UnSquashOnly.Z.README -greg. -- Greg Cockroft greg@agog.com Agog, Inc. (517) 627-2186 fax 2673 13780 North River Highway Grand Ledge, MI 48837
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BenaTong announces PowerGuardian for NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <7245@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 31 Mar 93 16:39:20 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Victoria Tong, BenaTong EMAIL:benatong@cypher.cmhnet.org PHONE: (614) 276-7859 FAX:(614) 276-7859 (auto-switch) Availability: April 1, 1993 Pricing: $149.95 per UPS - cable included BenaTong announces PowerGuardian(tm) for NeXTSTEP: Monitors Uninterruptable Power Supplies and Performs Orderly System Shutdown. Works with American Power Conversion's Smart-UPS, Back-UPS, and network PowerCell. Columbus, OH, March 22, 19931 - BenaTong, today announced PowerGuardian(tm), an application which provides network wide monitoring and control of American Power Conversion (APC) Uninterruptable Power Supplies (UPS). PowerGuardian(tm) takes full advantage of NeXTSTEP's Distributed objects to allow multiple clients to monitor a variety of UPS parameters and capacities of any UPS on the network. During power failure conditions, the protected machine is shut down at user specified time and/or battery capacity levels. Complete notification is given to network users when the UPS switches to battery, when shutdown is imminent, or when line power is restored. All shutdown and notification levels are determined by the user and are completely configurable. Event logging and UPS testing are performed to the users specifications. BenaTong, based in Columbus Ohio, is a consulting firm that specializes in providing commercial applications and custom software for computers running NeXTSTEP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: POSTGRES DBMS on NeXT Message-ID: <1993Mar31.171344.12141@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <C4puEp.Bwx@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 17:13:44 GMT In article <C4puEp.Bwx@ns1.nodak.edu> goli@plains (Venkata Nagarjuna Rao Goli) writes: [much] Answered in comp.sys.next.software -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Systemhouse seeks 20 NeXT Engineers (Seattle, NY, CO, LA, DC, Chicago) Message-ID: <7248@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 31 Mar 93 17:59:31 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM For more information, contact: Sally Ann Martins - Manager, NeXT Recruiting Systemhouse Inc. 885 Third Avenue, 25th Floor New York, New York, U.S.A. 10022-4834 Telephone: 212-303-5500 Fax: 212-303-5595 E-Mail: sam@ny.shl.com Systemhouse seeks 20 NeXT Engineers (NY, Colorado, LA, DC, Chicago) Systemhouse, a $750 million Canadian firm, is recognized as the industry leader in client/server technology. Systemhouse employs over 4,000 people worldwide and maintains a large heterogeneous network of workstations including more than 100 NeXT machines. We are putting together a major effort to have the best NeXT expertise available. Since November we have hired a core group in New York and Boulder, Colorado, by September we should be up to a staff of 100. We are executing the ideas that others are only talking about - Reusable Object Library - Standard Certification of Objects - Distributed Development - etc. Furthermore we are establishing an Object Technology Center(OTC) for applied Object Oriented methodologies and development techniques. The OTC in Boulder, Colorado, is a research and development facility exploring the cutting edge of the relatively new object technology. The charter of the Center is two-fold: to explore and understand all hardware and software related to the object-oriented development industry; and to establish itself as a focal point where companies in diverse verticals markets can join together to leverage OTC's research and experience. Leading the Center is Vince Jordan, recently of WilTel Advanced Technology Center and recognized in the NeXT community as a pacesetter in the object-oriented development revolution. With WilTel's blessing an participation in the Center, Vince, and a few WilTel engineers, form the core team in this new effort. We need bright, enthusiastic experienced people!!! The following 20 immediate opportunities exist in various U.S. locations: 8 - Object Oriented Programmers * 2+ years Object Oriented Programming (C++/Objective C) * 2+ years database design and database applications * 5 years UNIX/C application development * 2+ years RDBMS (SYBASE preferred) * 1+ years NeXTSTEP applications development * AppKit, DBKit, NeXTSTEP 3.0, OOD * GUI and Porting experience 5 - Senior Applications Development Engineers * 5-7 years UNIX/C applications development * Financial trading applications * 1+ years NeXT/NeXTSTEP/AppKit/DBKit/Objective C * Sun, SYBASE/C++ a plus 5 - Software Engineers * NeXT/UNIX application software development * Strong NeXTSTEP, AppKit, Interface Builder, DBKit * High level design, rapid prototyping in NeXT * Strong Objective C or C++ * 3 to 5 years experience 2 - Database Specialists * 3+ years database design and database applications development (ORACLE/SYBASE preferred) * 3 years UNIX/C application development * 3 years RDBMS experience using an SQL-based RDBMS * 1+ year NeXTSTEP applications a plus * AppKit, DBKit, NeXTSTEP 3.0, OOD, Objective C a plus For more information about these exciting opportunities, call or send your resume to: Sally Ann Martins - Manager, NeXT Recruiting Systemhouse Inc. 885 Third Avenue, 25th Floor New York, New York, U.S.A. 10022-4834 Telephone: 212-303-5500 Fax: 212-303-5595 E-Mail: sam@ny.shl.com More positions available soon!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hsr@cs.Stanford.EDU (Scott Roy) Subject: ROM version Message-ID: <1993Mar31.182446.8645@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA References: <1993Mar31.000537.13306@bluerose.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 18:24:46 GMT M Carling writes | | ADB requires Turbo hardware and ROM version 74. | Is there an easy way to figure out what ROM version is in a Turbo machine? Scott Roy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: edmbv@alf.uib.no (Bj|rn Asle Valde) Subject: PasteUp wishes (was: Re: * * * RightBrain's PasteUp 2.0 Sale 50% OFF: ends March 31 * * *) Message-ID: <1993Mar31.180948.3134@alf.uib.no> Organization: University of Bergen, Norway References: <1993Mar29.173545.1153@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <1163@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 18:09:48 GMT In article <1163@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: ..advantages are... >are speed (launches in about 1 second), ease of use (very intuitive) >infinite flexibility, good typography, and great support for included >graphics. True, me thinks. IMHO top-priority should be given to - import/export filters for at least Q-Xpress and PM (_very_ importante) - an method for 3.party extensions (ala Xtensions for Q-Express) You'd be amazed to see all the stuff made with Xpress (at least as far as Europe goes). > >-- > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com > RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) > Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 Mvh, -bav valde@siodata.uio.no -- ,__o Bjorn Asle Valde SiO Data NeXTSenter tel +47-5-320240 _-\_<, valde@SioData.uio.no Christiesgt. 13 fax +47-5-320238 (*)/'(*) N-5015 Bergen, Norway
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: Killing the automounter Message-ID: <1993Mar31.185243.2281@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 18:52:43 GMT Hi In NS2.X, I was able to kill the automount process by looking for something like "autodiskmount" in a ps -aux listing, then simply killing that process. Under 3.0, it seems that no such process exists. I need to do this so that I can mount OD's on a mount point different than that the automounter prefers. I realize that I can do this with fstab, but I often need to change the disc on the fly. How do I stop the workspace from automounting floppies, cd-roms or OD's under 3.0? All help appreciated. Matthew --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure) Subject: Looking for help using UUCP (and setting up) Message-ID: <asd.733603291@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 18:41:31 GMT I'm going to be setting up a UUCP connection for my machine this week. I have the NeXT documentation on it, but I'm wondering if there is some better docs on it out there. I've heard enough horror stories about trying to get UUCP set-up. Is there any NeXT utilites for dealing with UUCP stuff? Please mail me back by Firday morning. This account goes away Friday evening. Thanks! -dsm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: marcel@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel) Subject: Re: Killing the automounter Message-ID: <1993Mar31.194342.15974@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: NiCE - NeXT User Group, Zuerich References: <1993Mar31.185243.2281@mattcube> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 19:43:42 GMT In article <1993Mar31.185243.2281@mattcube> matt%mattcube@concert.net writes: >In NS2.X, I was able to kill the automount process by looking for something >like "autodiskmount" in a ps -aux listing, then simply killing that process. > >Under 3.0, it seems that no such process exists. This is now done by the Workspace. To mount a disk or OD at a different point, just type in the "mount" command and wait for the "Missing Disk" panel to appear. Then, insert the disk. (This already worked in 2.x and (I suppose) earlier). To read or write in e.g. 'tar' format; you start the tar process and then proceed as above. -Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft) Subject: Re: New version of SimonSays available. Demo also. (Whoops) Message-ID: <1993Mar31.202120.354@agog.com> Sender: greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft) Organization: Agog, Inc. References: <1993Mar31.015955.241@agog.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 20:21:20 GMT Well I screwed up. This release is only going to be free to people that purchased SimonSays after March 1 1993. I have no idea what the charge will be for earlier purchasers. This will be decided by HSD. I'll leave a demo copy in the same location. It will be clearly marked as a demo only copy. Sorry for the confusion. -greg. In article <1993Mar31.015955.241@agog.com> greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft) writes: > > A new version of SimonSays is available and is free to anyone who can get > it via ftp. Everyone else is going to have to contact HSD (1-800-828-5522) > and pay some type of handling charge. > > host: ftp.msen.com > path: pub/vendor/agog/next > > The version is 1.1e and requires NeXTStep 3.0. It runs in demo mode > without a key. > > New Features: > > Hot Key access to all macros. You can attach a keyboard combination to > macros so that you can still run your macros while you are on the phone. > If you don't like voice recognition you can disable recognition and use > the product as a vanilla macro program. > > 2 new macro object types. You can open files as part of a macro. > A delay object. > > The paste object now supports images. Great for mail sigs. > > You can activate another application from within a macro. This > makes it possible to make a single macro that will bring up the > Workspace console from within any application. > > A simple API interface. Example source is in the release notes. > > > -greg. > > Greg Cockroft greg@agog.com > Agog, Inc. Fax: (517) 627-2673 > 13780 North River Highway > Grand Ledge, MI 48837 > -- -- Greg Cockroft greg@agog.com Agog, Inc. (517) 627-2186 fax 2673 13780 North River Highway Grand Ledge, MI 48837
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Message-ID: <ntomczak.733615350@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> <rabjab.90.733276917@golem.ucsd.edu> <1993Mar28.001645.1956@macc.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 22:02:30 GMT anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: >renamed that zcat gzcat]: >gzcat hot.new.software.tar.z | tar xvf - >or whatever you'd like. Sure, you can rename iti, but there is no real need for that. zcat which comes with gzip (actually this is a link to gzip) will operate equally well on .Z and .z files. For the second type regardless if they were created by gzip or System V pack. It may even sometimes discover that your .Z file is corrupted which compress based zcat will not do. Check out, as well, new zmore (but with PAGER set to your favorite file viewer). Michal Jaegermann ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 23:26:21 GMT Message-ID: <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> <1993Mar30.222324.164528@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: >Be warned that a math coprocessor is HIGHLY recommended. I thought the 486 had the math coprocessor built in. Jim Beauchamp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Subject: NeXT video output Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 23:32:29 GMT Message-ID: <C4s1E6.FA2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: video output projection Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana I would like to use a 040 NeXT for a presentation which requires routing the video to a projection system. Is it true that only the color nexts allow video output? Do both NeXT color systems have video outputs? Jim Beauchamp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Subject: nextmusic Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 23:34:23 GMT Summary: nextmusic -- Is it up? Message-ID: <C4s1HB.FC2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: nextmusic Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana I am a subscriber to nextmusic, but I haven't received any messages in a couple of weeks. Also, a note I sent to this service last Friday failed to echo back. Has anyone else had this problem? Jim Beauchamp
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Date: 1 Apr 1993 00:01:04 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1pdbc0INN4tq@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1p4f6r$f3v@umd5.umd.edu> <1p7f81$g57@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> <C4qCy2.1x1@research.canon.oz.au> I have recommended replacing /usr/ucb/uncompress and /usr/ucb/zcat with gzip, but Serge Goldstein pointed out to me that you have to be a little careful in exactly how you do that to make sure you don't also change /usr/ucb/compress. So here's how I do it: cd /usr/ucb mv uncompress uncompress.old mv zcat zcat.old ln -s /usr/local/bin/gzip uncompress ln -s /usr/local/bin/gzip zcat This has the advantage that when I update gzip in /usr/local/bin, I don't have to muck with /usr/ucb. What you *don't* want to do is: cp -p gzip /usr/ucb/uncompress *** DON'T DO THIS *** because that will replace the hard linked file with gzip, and so upon doing that, compress, uncompress, and zcat all become gzip. And when compress is gzip is when you end up with Mail problems. The advantage to doing this is that Workspace and Installer can then handle gzipped files, so long as they end in .Z or are actually .tar.z files disguised as .compressed. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) Subject: Re: NeXT video output Message-ID: <1993Apr1.001619.5529@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio References: <C4s1E6.FA2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 00:16:19 GMT In article <C4s1E6.FA2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: > I would like to use a 040 NeXT for a presentation which requires routing the > video to a projection system. > > Is it true that only the color nexts allow video output? > > Do both NeXT color systems have video outputs? > > Jim Beauchamp Jim, I don't know about the NSC but the ND systems allow video output at only NTSC quality, meaning that you can not display all of the screen at once. Dan
From: Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: pins to encode memory speed on SIMMs Message-ID: <1pddugINNbqj@morrow.stanford.edu> Date: 1 Apr 93 00:45:04 GMT References: <1993Mar31.045748.7157@csus.edu> Organization: Stanford University Our friend Eric P. Scott <eps@futon.SFSU.EDU> writes: >In article <1padc6INNqpp@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: >>I have some 80ns SIMMs which my NeXT reports as 100 ns. Someone posted what >>pins on a SIMM encode the speed; would some kind soul who saved a copy please >>e-mail it to me? > >I'd also like a copy. I searched through the c.s.n.h archives on >sonata.cc.purdue.edu and didn't find it--just more requests for the same >information. It's not in the FAQ or sonata's "lore" directory either. Grr... Is this what you're looking for? We've also purchased memory with mixed up pins. (Vendor realized the mistake when we pointed it out -- let us fix it.) - Christopher "I'm not a pack rat but I play one on USENET" From: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A last word about Marco SIMM speeds Date: 18 Jun 92 23:29:44 GMT Well, I'd like to thank you helpful usenetters who forwarded my post to Marco Electronics. I got in touch with a Bob Smith (who works closely with Bob Gregory), and confirmed his understanding of SIMM speed issues and NeXT machines. Apparently, they were a little mixed up as to which way to configure the speeds. Pin Name Pin 60 ns 70 ns 80 ns 100 ns PD3 69 nc gnd nc gnd PD4 70 nc nc gnd gnd where "nc" means no connection and "gnd" means ground. Marco had it reversed, and they were configuring their 70ns SIMMS to read as if they were 80ns. So, I'd say that if you ordered 70ns SIMMs from Marco for your Turbo NeXTStation or Turbo NeXTStation color, you should check your rom monitor (hit <command>-~ just after systems test (when the icon says loading from disk or ethernet), and read the top of the screen to see what your machine thinks your SIMMS are) If you have all 70ns SIMMs, it should read 70ns. Anyone that orders from them in the future should get the right thing, as they have now corrected this. -- E-Mail (NeXTmail accepted): Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com "Character is what you are in the dark." -Buckaroo Banzai "A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men." -Willy Wonka From: John_Graves@next.com (John Graves) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Turbo stations not correctly determining SIMM Speed Date: 9 Jun 92 16:31:24 GMT In comp.sys.next.hardware article <1992Jun8.214143.3202@bmw.mayo.edu> you wrote: > I have purchased some 70ns 72pin 4mb SIMMS from Marco Electronics and > installed them in a NeXTstation Turbo, increasing the memory from 8 to 16mb. > Everything works fine, except the ROM Monitor reports the memory is 100ns > speed. Pullthe memory out and the NeXT-supplied 8mb reports 70ns. > > I called Marco to verify the speed of the SIMMS ordered, and they said they > have seen this before. An Engineer at Marco (same call, no phone tag... > still a great service company;-) stated that NeXT is "aware of the problem," > and the system is actually using the memory at it's rated 70ns speed, but is > erroneously reporting 100ns at the ROM prompt. He alluded to a bug > in the ROM test of the RAM access speeds, and a 'power NeXT user with 3 > systems' working with NeXT on the problem. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Geoffrey Brunkhorst, RCF brunkhorst@Mayo.edu > Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 > Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905 USA fax (507) 284-5231 On Turbo computers, unless the ROM monitor reports that all memory is 70 ns, 33 MHz computers will operate with somewhat slower memory timing, resulting in decreased performance. All memory shipped from NeXT with these computers is 70 ns. If the ROM monitor reports that slower memory is found (80 or 100 ns), that means that at least one of the SIMMs installed is configured for slower memory. Memory speed is indicated by the SIMM by two signals (pins 69 & 70 on the SIMM connector). For 70 ns memory, pin 69 is grounded on the SIMM, and pin 70 is a no connect. If 70 ns memory is used on the SIMM, indicated by -7 speed grade ICs, the SIMM should have these "presence detect" bits configured correctly. If these bits are incorrect and you feel you should have 70 ns memory, the SIMM is defective. The presence detect bits are shared between all four SIMMs, so all SIMMs must be 70 ns in order to operate at full speed. This is only true for 33 MHz Turbo computers. If you are going to examine your SIMMs, please use appropriate static electricity precautions. It sounds like the memory you received from Marco Electronics has incorrect presence detect bits. These are configured on the SIMM by 0 ohm resistors which are either loaded or not to indicate memory speed. -- John Graves Hardware Engineering NeXT Computer, Inc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: More reasons to port to DEC Alpha!!! Message-ID: <1993Apr1.012332.7885@splunge.uucp> Keywords: NeXTstep, DEC, speed Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <1993Mar27.014533.9455@news.miami.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 01:23:32 GMT mattocks@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Craig A. Mattocks) writes: >Besides being based on the OSF Mach operating system, and giving "screaming" >peformance (10-12 times faster than SPARCstation 2), I have heard the following >rumors on the DEC Alpha architecture: >(1) Cray will build a massively parallel supercomputer based on the Alpha chip >- the initial configuration will consist of 1024 Alpha chips >(2) DEC will unveil a 2-processor Alpha model this August for $30 K >(3) DEC is pouring investment money into Alpha chip manufacturing plants. >Has anyone else heard similar news? Does anyone know how difficult it would be >to port NeXTstep to the DEC Alpha environment? Well, these aren't really rumours, per se. Our local UNIX user group had a presentation from a DEC guy regarding the Alpha architecture late last year, and he related the snippet about Cray producing massively parallel Alpha systems. To run one, you also happen to need a YMP as a front-end processor. :~) DEC itself is also pouring resources into Alpha, without a doubt. I haven't heard anything specific about multi-processor release schedules, but I'm sure they'll be coming out. DEC is also planning to release a sub-$5K Alpha workstation for use with NT. The DEC rep said it's pretty much ready to go, they're just waiting for Microsoft to ship production NT and they'll ship their hardware the same day. As for NeXTSTEP on Alpha, I wouldn't say no to one. The level of difficulty wouldn't be much different than any other port, I imagine. -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are easier royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | to write and run faster, too." or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | ad for OS/2 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbraven@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gary Baird Raven) Subject: Help please, Quantum ProDrive LPS 525S into NeXTstation. Message-ID: <1993Apr1.042713.7521@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 04:27:13 GMT To any who can help: I have recently purchased a used NeXTstation. I am in the process of upgrading the machine and would like any help that I could get. My first problem: I have an original NeXTstation with a 100Meg quantum dirve. I would like to replace this drive with a new Quantum 525 Meg drive (to be installed internally) {model Pro Drive LPS 525S}. Has anyone used this drive? If so could you tell me: 1. The appropriate jumper settings. 2. How to build it from a NeXT CDROM drive with NeXT 3.0. 3. Are their any problems with installing this drive internally? Thanks in advance for any advice. Please send suggestions to: gbraven@leland.stanford.edu Thanks, Gary
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Ethernet packet sniffer for NeXT Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 23:01:44 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar31.230144.2656@cyantic.com> Has anyone seen an Ethernet packet inspector for the NeXT? Is there any public domain software available that does this for UNIX environments. -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Date: 1 Apr 1993 05:45:11 GMT Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association Message-ID: <1pdvh7$7m8@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> <1993Mar30.222324.164528@zeus.calpoly.edu> <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> J-Beauchamp@uiuc.edu writes: >>Be warned that a math coprocessor is HIGHLY recommended. >I thought the 486 had the math coprocessor built in. The 486sx doesn't. That's why it's an sx. Sorta like a Moto 68LC040 (which is used in the mac Centris 610 and baseline 650) -- Nicholas C. Weaver nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, .signifying nothing. Since C evolved out of B, and a C+ is close to a B, does that mean that C++ is a devolution of the language?
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is tcsh available for the NeXT? Message-ID: <65778@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 1 Apr 93 05:59:39 GMT References: <1993Mar30.182359.27700@oracle.us.oracle.com> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993Mar30.182359.27700@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com writes: > The subject says it all. I wanted to know if I could ftp the tcsh for NeXT. yes of course - as with almost any Unix system ftp sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/submissions latest version is 6.03 the latest source is always at tesla.ee.cornell.edu building for NeXT doesnt take much more than typing "make install" very simple config -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Subject: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 07:34:50 GMT I've twice before mentioned how tar/gzip seems to be better than Squash. Both times I received mail telling me how this was not to case. To this day, I have yet to see a single example of a file that Squash compressed better than gzip. I recently downloaded SimonSays from ftp.msen.com, and compared yet again Squash vs. tar/gzip. The results are below. -rw-rw-r-- 1 fermat 110950 Apr 1 02:15 SimonSays.app.squfold -rw-rw-r-- 1 fermat 103550 Apr 1 02:18 SimonSays.app.tar.z -rw-rw-r-- 1 fermat 19903 Apr 1 02:15 SimonSaysNotes.1.1e.rtfd.squfold -rw-rw-r-- 1 fermat 17793 Apr 1 02:22 SimonSaysNotes.1.1e.rtfd.tar.z -rw-rw-r-- 1 fermat 208843 Apr 1 02:15 SimonSays_Manual.squfold -rw-rw-r-- 1 fermat 191322 Apr 1 02:20 SimonSays_Manual.tar.z For those who make Squash, it DOES NOT have the best compression. Michael Glenn (NeXTStep welcome)
From: zazula@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Ralph Zazula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PageChain (Re: multipage tiff to postscript conversion) Summary: No Sweat! Message-ID: <1993Mar30.232348.27740@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Date: 30 Mar 93 23:23:48 GMT References: <28213@galaxy.ucr.edu> Sender: z@pri.com (Ralph Zazula) Organization: Pinnacle Research, Inc. In article <28213@galaxy.ucr.edu> curt@doumi.ucr.edu (Curt Burgess) writes: > >Here's my problem...I'm scanning in multipage documents on an >HSD scanner which saves them as multipage tiff files. I want >to put these documents on an FTP server, which means they need >to be postscript files. I've tried PixelMagician which will >do a file conversion (tiff to postscript), but will not save >the file as multipage. That is, even though the tiff file is >multipage, the resulting ps file can only be saved as the single >page being viewed. > >Has anyone successfully dealt with this problem? >Am I the first person on earth who ever needed to do >this? (impression I get from two companies!) > Our application "PageChain" does exactly what you are looking for. It can take a multi-image TIFF file as input and create a multi-page PS file as output. We designed it to work this way for importing of FAX files but any-ol' multi-image TIFF works too. The images can be scaled to fit the page or rendered at their natural size. You can even go the other way (multi-page PS to multi-image TIFF) along with various other nifty things (like importing RTFD, RTF, ASCII files and merging them to create a composite PS file). If you'd like a demo of PageChain, and can accept NeXT Mail, send a note to "pagechain@pri.com". NOTE: do not reply to the "soliton" address in this message - I won't get your mail. Use "z@pri.com" instead. Ralph --- Ralph Zazula Pinnacle Research, Inc. zazula@pri.com (602)529-1135
From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Sighting on PBS Date: 1 Apr 1993 15:46:36 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pf2osINNen2@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Last night, while watching: "Living and Working in Space: The countdown has begun" One of the actors (the mom) in a moon habitat scenario was using a monochrome NeXT with fractals showing on the monitor. Sure enough, at the end, NeXT Computer, Inc. was acknowledged in the credits. -- Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2313 wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mnb2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Mark Nathan Broadie) Subject: GIF to EPS translator Message-ID: <1993Apr1.150641.4702@news.columbia.edu> Sender: Mark Broadie Organization: Columbia University References: <1993Mar30.222324.164528@zeus.calpoly.edu> <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1pdvh7$7m8@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 15:06:41 GMT When I use ImageViewer to translate a small GIF file (e.g., 11KB) it turns into a huge EPS file (e.g, > 1 MB). I guess it's creating a bitmap. Is there a way to create a smaller EPS file from the GIF file? (I tried using grab, but the resolution is not very good when printed.) Thanks in advance. Mark Broadie cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mnb2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Mark Nathan Broadie) Subject: Re: GIF to EPS translator Message-ID: <1993Apr1.150952.4890@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University References: <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1pdvh7$7m8@agate.berkeley.edu> <1993Apr1.150641.4702@news.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 15:09:52 GMT Oops. My e-mail address is mnb2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu. Sorry.
From: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Diagram 2 problems/comments Message-ID: <4978@cvbnetPrime.COM> Date: 1 Apr 93 14:23:52 GMT Sender: postnews@cvbnetPrime.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Computervision hi! I recently tried my copy of Diagram2, and my first reaction was "how could they ship this???" A couple of pages that took me about 30 minutes with Diagram 1 took me about 90 min with Diagram 2, since I had to redo it many times. I'm trying to reproduce and send the problems to lighthouse, but I was wondering if anyone else had noticed the following: basically, I have fairly large text objects, that often use symbol fonts, subscripting and superscripting. With Diagram 2, I had the problem that when I came back to a text object after editing something else (or after saving), it suddenly had a weird look: the symbol fonts had moved to different characters, the subscripting/superscripting we at the wrong locations, etc. Thus, something like hello (alpha) (alpha is the symbol for alpha) 2 (2 is subscript for alpha) might become: h a2 (eps)llo since the symbol font moved off "a", 2 become un-subscripted, "ello" from "hello" became subscripted, and "e" in "ello" acquired the symbol font, becoming epsilon. !!! Has anyone else had similar problems? I also noticed that the Format->Font menu had "underlining" etc. missing --- I used to use it a fair bit! Anyone figure out how to do underlining in Diagram 2 (I can still open a Diagram 1 file containing underlined text in Diagram 2, and then copy/paste/edit the text that still remembered underlining!). -- Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730 fax: (617) 275-8506
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New 'whois' server Date: 1 Apr 1993 17:34:20 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pf92sINNa5u@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: whois The 'whois' command points to an obsolete server. Effective today, April 1, 1993, it should point to whois.internic.net. Until NeXT fixes this, a workaround is to put alias whois 'whois -h whois.internic.net' in your .cshrc file. P.S. This is not an April Fool's joke! Try 'whois tamu.edu'. -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: bilbo@baggins Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Software Strategy Change Message-ID: <1993Apr1.085715.2578@bilbo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 08:57:15 GMT Sender: bilbo@baggins.com Organization: BilboWare NeXTstep to be Opened Up; CMU Will Distribute Free Copies Redwood City, CA - In a move that is sure to turn the computer industry power holders on their collective ear, Steven P. Jobs has decided to give away NeXT Software Inc.'s crown jewels, NeXTstep. In the face of NeXT's lingering death, Jobs' radical move has placed the company in an extremely strong position in a completely new market which is sure to explode over night. "Now that NeXTstep's source code is freely available, the demand for quality applications for this (soon to be) de facto standard will skyrocket.," says an elated Jobs. "We already have three of the most important applications available for NeXTstep and we plan to hold onto our position as the number one NeXTstep third-party developer. Our Mail, FileViewer, and InterfaceBuilder applications are the main selling points for NeXTstep where corporate customers are concerned. We will profit more selling these separately than we ever would have just selling operating systems," says a rejuvenated Jobs. Industry analysts say that this bold move by NeXT could cause even Microsoft to take notice. "Now that NeXTstep is available free of charge, there's no reason for millions of people not to try it out," says industry analyst James Blackman. Blackman went on to say, "I can't see why anyone would bother with Windows NT when they can have NeXTstep for free. Clearly, many developers currently developing for NT will have to rethink their strategies because the demand for NeXTstep will, most likely, completely overshadow NT." Blackman speculates that, "we will see some very high quality extensions to NeXTstep now that the source code is free. This means that NeXTstep's momentum from a five-year head start on competitors Taligent and Cairo will only grow since there will be thousands of developers out there who can (and will) extend the base product." Furthermore, Blackman believes that many OEMs will now begin shipping their own versions of NeXTstep on many different hardware platforms very soon. Indeed, Howard Klaskin, Silicon Graphics VP of Marketing, has confirmed an in-house project to ship NeXTstep on all SGI Workstation products. "We've been looking at NeXTstep for some time now," says Klaskin, "but now with this announcement, we're making an extreme push to be first to market with a NeXTstep/MIPS product. We see this as an excellent opportunity to finally take market share from the massive PC market. We expect Sun, HP and the entire Unified UNIX consortium to re-evaluate their plans and switch immediately to NeXTstep." All the source code for NeXTstep will be housed at Carnegie-Mellon University and will be maintained by the staff there. "This is similar to what was done with X-Windows and MIT," says CMU's David Whiteman, manager of the NeXTstep-CMU relationship. "NeXTstep got its start here at CMU with the Mach OS kernel, so its only fitting that we maintain the code. We look forward to integrating the thousands of high-quality efforts around the world to make NeXTstep the best operating environment on top of Mach and the best operating environment 'period'." Corporate developers hailed this move as the boldest in the industry's history. "Now we can really build some mission critical apps without the worry about whether or not we'll be able to properly subclass from an appkit class or just be able to get NeXT to fix bugs," said Kevin Sirius of EnerCom, a major Energy and Communications Company. "We couldn't be happier about this move," said Sirius. Third party developers also welcomed the move. 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From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Diagram 2 problems Message-ID: <7500@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 1 Apr 93 17:50:10 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Originator: cjp@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu In article <4978@cvbnetPrime.COM> skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) writes: >hi! >I recently tried my copy of Diagram2, and my first reaction was >"how could they ship this???" A couple of pages that took me >about 30 minutes with Diagram 1 took me about 90 min with Diagram 2, >since I had to redo it many times. >I'm trying to reproduce and send the problems to lighthouse, but I >was wondering if anyone else had noticed the following: > > basically, I have fairly large text objects, that often use > symbol fonts, subscripting and superscripting. With Diagram > 2, I had the problem that when I came back to a text object > after editing something else (or after saving), it suddenly > had a weird look: the symbol fonts had moved to different > characters, the subscripting/superscripting we at the wrong > locations, etc. Thus, something like > hello (alpha) (alpha is the symbol for alpha) > 2 (2 is subscript for alpha) > might become: > h a2 > (eps)llo > since the symbol font moved off "a", 2 become un-subscripted, > "ello" from "hello" became subscripted, and "e" in "ello" > acquired the symbol font, becoming epsilon. !!! > >Has anyone else had similar problems? I agree 200%. I had this happen to me on a very important (dare I say miss-crit) document, and I haven't used Diagram! 2 since. I was very dissapointed that noone at Lighthouse caught this before it went out the door. Font attributes go flitting around within the text object in unpredictable ways that makes me pull my hair out. Can we have some acknowledgement of this from Lighthouse and some commitment to a fix? I've gone back to Version one for the time being. Too bad a lot of my pallettes are already Diagram2-ized. Casey Palowitch cjp+!pitt.edu >Sandeep Kochhar >Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com >14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 >Bedford, MA 01730 fax: (617) 275-8506 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Diagram 2 problems/comments Summary: Expires: References: <4978@cvbnetPrime.COM> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pittsburgh Keywords: -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXTStep, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. **
From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BANG CDRom Not Received Message-ID: <1993Mar31.181948.26310@investor.pgh.pa.us> Date: 31 Mar 93 18:19:48 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA I know I am going to get a lot of grief for this, but mail to bang.org keeps getting bounced back to me. As directed by a previous posting, I tried CD_ROM@bang.org, TWICE. Then I tried Rick_Reynolds@bang.org. Nothing goes through. Anyhow, I have not received my CDRom and I need somebody from BANG to look into it. Sorry for this but I can't think of another way. -- Bob Peirce, Pittsburgh, PA rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us 412-471-5320 venetia@investor.pgh.pa.us [NeXT Mail] !uunet.uu.net!pitt!investor!rbp [UUCP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi Subject: Re: Can't save words to Dictionary... Message-ID: <1993Apr1.173919.17478@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Sender: news@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Uutis Ankka) Organization: University of Helsinki References: <1993Mar27.222303.24496@altsys.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 17:39:19 GMT In article <1993Mar27.222303.24496@altsys.com> lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: > When I use the spelling tool in NeXTSTEP apps and it finds words I > know are spelled right and I then tell it to learn them, nothing happens. > In fact, nothing I do can make it learn new words. Any suggestions? > Mine (HSD Spell) forgets learning as well after logout. According to HSD there is a bug in NextStep 3.0 causing the effect, and it is reported to Next. Hope it is fixed in incoming (?) upgrade of NS. AK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1993 13:03:46 GMT Message-ID: <1993Apr01.130346.4190@cyantic.com> References: <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> <1993Mar30.222324.164528@zeus.calpoly.edu> <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> J-Beauchamp@uiuc.edu writes: >mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: > >>Be warned that a math coprocessor is HIGHLY recommended. > >I thought the 486 had the math coprocessor built in. > >Jim Beauchamp Welcome to the world of PeeCee's. This is one reason why I got out. Clearly the Intel Marketing group is in control over there. The 486sx is a full 486 with the FPU disabled. This way they can sell a system with a brain-dead chip in it and an "OverDrive" socket next to it so they can sell them the same chip again, this time with the FPU not disabled. -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: ak@comcen.nsk.su (Alexander Y. Kouznetsov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Should we run NeXT in Russia? Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 18:22:15 +0700 Distribution: world Organization: Computer Center (LAPA) Message-ID: <AAdljjhOO7@comcen.nsk.su> Sender: news-service@newcom.kiae.su Keywords: NeXT, Russia Hi world, My name is Alexander Kouznetsov. I'm a director of Marketing and R&D) in software company named Golden Field in located in Novosibirsk scientific town - Akademgorodok (Siberia, RUSSIA). In our company have the only one NeXTStation within about 4 hours of flight around. We get it 3 months ago and WE LIKE IT! We were optimistic about running NeXT in Russia and we had a long term business plans for NeXT sales and software development around here. Now we were shocked by Steve Jobs announcement. As far as I'm sitting on the other side of the Earth from USA - in Siberia can anybody tell me SHOULD WE START RUNNING NEXT COMPUTERS IN RUSSIA IN A FUTURE? OR WE BETTER GIVE IT UP RIGHT NOW BEFORE AND NOT TO WASTE OUR TIME? I think: - NeXT is nice, - Soft is great, And I doubt the same about NeXT marketing management. Help me World, I trust you. Alexander Kouznetsov, ak@comcen.nsk.su
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Alternate ADB Mice/Trackballs???? Message-ID: <C4toA1.1Js@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 20:44:25 GMT As soon as I find a good replacement, this mouse is going into the MTS compression machine (CRUNCH!). It's driving me nuts! The kicker is that it's as clean as a whistle inside - it just sucks! So anyway, anyone out there using other ADB mice and/or trackballs? I used to used the kensington trackball on a mac and liked it alot; anyone used it on a NeXT (ADB)? Thanks, Eric -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 15:13:06 CST From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93091.151306U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Spec's on .au sound format? Hello - If anyone has any information/specifications on the .au sound format I would greatly appreciate a reply. Thanks! Tom Nawara
From: pdifalco@fnma.com (Phil DiFalco) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: dwrite Message-ID: <1993Apr1.152826.8433@almserv.uucp> Date: 1 Apr 93 15:28:26 GMT Sender: usenet@almserv.uucp Organization: Fannie Mae what are the various dwrite variables for "loginwindow". In particular, I want to: * change my login panel to a different *.tiff; * make the login panel move around the screen; * make the login panel move around the screen after x amount of seconds; * make the login panel move fade in and out; * etc. -- email: sxupjd@fnma.com (NeXT Mail Okay) Philip DiFalco, Senior Analyst, Advanced Technology FannieMae, 3900 Wisconsin Ave NW, Washington, DC 22016 (202)752-2812
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Doug McClure) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <asd.733700153@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 21:35:53 GMT fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: >For those who make Squash, it DOES NOT have the best compression. I will second your thoughts and add one of my own, Squash is slower than a slug! Or at least UnSquash is since I never bothered to pay good money for a product that isn't as good as what's out there already. -dsm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: masud@invnext.worldbank.org (masud cader) Subject: Grabbing a tear-off menu or any menu at all Message-ID: <1993Apr1.221305.18628@worldbank.org> Keywords: Grab, Menus, Documentation Sender: news@worldbank.org Organization: The World Bank, Washington, DC, USA Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 22:13:05 GMT I am trying to write some documents which include "grabbed" shots of my NeXTSTEP menus. However, I have noticed that I cannot grab the menu of my application as a selection because Grab is at the forefront. The only (somewhat time consuming) thing to do, seems to grab the window, then cut the menus out of that... Is this really the only way to do it? Thanks for the help...let's hope that there is a snap for the NeXT...saves us all from grabbing :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Masud Cader Trading Analytics The World Bank masud@invnext.worldbank.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Thompson) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <thompsonC4trEF.ICA@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 21:51:49 GMT In article <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: > >I've twice before mentioned how tar/gzip seems to be better than Squash. >Both times I received mail telling me how this was not to case. To this >day, I have yet to see a single example of a file that Squash compressed >better than gzip. I recently downloaded SimonSays from ftp.msen.com, and >compared yet again Squash vs. tar/gzip. The results are below. I got the SimonSays, which was squashed, and then just ran gzip -9 on top of it.. it compressed a bunch more.. ha ha ha. Squash is a joke, get gzip and use it. (Although I wish they had used ".gz" or ".gzip" as an extension instead..) Eric
From: tsych@sedona.intel.com (Terry Sych) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Date: 1 Apr 93 15:43:13 Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona Message-ID: <TSYCH.93Apr1154313@denver.sedona.intel.com> References: <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> <1993Mar30.222324.164528@zeus.calpoly.edu> <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Apr01.130346.4190@cyantic.com> In-reply-to: mark@cyantic.com's message of Thu, 01 Apr 1993 13:03:46 GMT mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: ] J-Beauchamp@uiuc.edu writes: ] >mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: ] > ] >>Be warned that a math coprocessor is HIGHLY recommended. ] > ] >I thought the 486 had the math coprocessor built in. ] > ] >Jim Beauchamp ] ] Welcome to the world of PeeCee's. This is one reason why I got out. ] ] Clearly the Intel Marketing group is in control over there. The 486sx is a ] full 486 with the FPU disabled. This way they can sell a system with a ] brain-dead chip in it and an "OverDrive" socket next to it so they can sell ] them the same chip again, this time with the FPU not disabled. ] -- ] I believe the early 486SX's were indeed 486's with disabled FPU's. However, early last year the FPU was designed out resulting in a lower-cost chip (smaller die, plastic package, greater volume). Also, because Overdrive processors are clock-doubled, they provide greater integer performance in addition to the better floating point performance enabled by the FPU. --Terry Sych -- Terry Sych _______________________ tsych@sedona.intel.com i960(r) Architecture _____________ Chandler,AZ __________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: Setting up a printer for use by other NeXT machines. Message-ID: <1993Apr1.223351.8737@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 22:33:51 GMT Ok, feeling braindead here. I am TRYING to setup a printer, it's a NeXT 400 DPI Laser hooked up to my NeXTStation, so that it may be used by other NeXT machines on our network. I tried to use the PrintManager and make it a public printer. But it keeps asking me to set the domain. If I hit the SET DOMAIN button, all I get is a box with "/" in it, nothing else under that domain. If I just say OK, then OK, it says it can't export the printer to the local machine. Do I have to setup a domain for each NeXT on the network? If so, how do I setup a domain? ARGH! Like I said, I am feeling braindead here. It should be simple, right???? -- ********************************************************************* * John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * * Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * *********************************************************************
From: benji@athena.com (Benjamin Cline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: *** Athena Design releases Mesa 1.4 *** Date: 2 Apr 1993 00:03:42 GMT Organization: Institute for Mammalian Fur Growth Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pfvsu$54a@hermes.athena.com> PRESS RELEASE For Immediate Release Contact: Tracy Kugelman MESA Spreadsheet 1.617.734.6372 Athena Design Announces Mesa for Intel Processors BOSTON - Athena Design has announced that on March 31, 1993 Mesa version 1.4 shipped for NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors as well as NEXTSTEP 3.0. Mesa, the only commercially available traditional spreadsheet designed exclusively for NeXTSTEP, has been updated to include customer-suggested new features. Mesa will ship with fat binaries allowing our product to seamlessly work in a mixed environment of NeXT machines and NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors (NS FIP). "The port to NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors has been simple. Mesa is the first commercially shipping app for use on NS FIP. This version of Mesa continues our commitment to bug free software that's delivered on time," said David Pollak, President of Athena Design, Inc. New features have been added to Mesa 1.4 which include: Lotus .wk1 write 20/20 Read SYLK file read and write Linear regression and matrix math Worksheets can now be annotated with geometric shapes and rich text Enhanced object library These product enhancements are added to Mesa's other features which include full SQL connectivity to Sybase databases, MScript, 1-2-3 and Excel style functions, and Drag and Drop colors, fonts and patterns. Mesa includes features found in no other spreadsheet in the world. Including: Formula Inheritance - allows a formula to be entered in one place in the worksheet and shared by many cells. This means that worksheets are faster to develop and easier to maintain. Visual Report Builder - allows spreadsheet ranges and graphs to be placed in professional-looking reports. MOLI - Mesa Object Library Interface - allows custom programs to interface with spreadsheets. MOLI enhances the creative capabilities of Mesa. "Mesa goes beyond and above the call of duty for a third party app and enables the end user to expand upon and utilize provided functionality in ways other NeXTSTEP apps only hint at. All this and the most excellent support I have ever encountered," said Vince Jordan, Vice President of Technology for the Object Technology Group of Systemhouse. All current users of Mesa are entitled to upgrade to 1.4 free of charge. We are continuing our commitment to the NeXTSTEP operating environment and will continue to offer one year of upgrades for each unit of Mesa along with unlimited technical support. Mesa's price remains unchanged $499 suggested retail for the commercial package, and $99 suggested retail for educational version. Athena Design was founded in 1989 by David Pollak to provide a fulfilling and enriching work environment through the creation, sales and support of high quality, bug free software for the NeXTSTEP operating environment. In 1991 Athena Design released CultureShock, an addictive game played all over the world. CultureShock is also available for NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors and is available free from selected archive sites. For more information about Mesa please contact us at 1.617.734.6372 or info@athena.com. - 30 - NeXTSTEP is a trademark of NeXT, Inc. Lotus 1-2-3 is a registered trademark of Lotus Development Corp. Excel and SYLK are registered trademarks of Microsoft. 20/20 is a registered trademark of Computer Associates. Sybase is a registered trademark of Sybase Inc. -- Benjamin Cline benji@athena.com Systems Administrator NeXTmail cheerfully accepted! Athena Design, Inc. "Happiness is a warm puppy."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Gregory W. Gee <gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Subject: looking for user groups. Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 00:37:02 GMT Message-ID: <9304020037.AA15183@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> To: comp.sys.next.misc@newshost.uwo.ca Sender: daemon@julian.uwo.ca (Julian System Daemon Account) Is there a list of user groups that are available and how I could get in contact with them. I would greatly appreciate trying to find a user group that I could be in and learn something that might help me and be fun. Thanks. **************************************************************************** Greg Gee gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca NeXT Mail accepted Honours Computer Science, University of Western Ontario >>> Developing in the NeXT generation <<< ****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Re: dwrite Message-ID: <1993Apr2.005248.8623@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering References: <1993Apr1.152826.8433@almserv.uucp> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 00:52:48 GMT In article <1993Apr1.152826.8433@almserv.uucp> pdifalco@fnma.com writes: > >what are the various dwrite variables for "loginwindow". >In particular, I want to: > * change my login panel to a different *.tiff; > * make the login panel move around the screen; > * make the login panel move around the screen > after x amount of seconds; > * make the login panel move fade in and out; > * etc. The New FAQ have the answer for all of your questions. Hope this help, Andy > > >-- >email: sxupjd@fnma.com (NeXT Mail Okay) >Philip DiFalco, Senior Analyst, Advanced Technology >FannieMae, 3900 Wisconsin Ave NW, Washington, DC 22016 (202)752-2812
From: bryce_jasmer@next.com (Bryce Jasmer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Boyer-Moore algorithm (bm)? Message-ID: <7308@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 2 Apr 93 00:39:46 GMT References: <1ovdqmINNhoe@tamsun.tamu.edu> Sender: news@NeXT.COM Jack McKinney writes >In a previous article, cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >>Instead get GNU grep from prep.ai.mit.edu. It automatically uses >>Boyer-Moore as an optimization whenever possible. > > Wouldn't fgrep use Boyer-Moore since it operates with fixed-strings? I don't believe fgrep uses Boyer-Moore. When I discovered /usr/bin/bm I did some quick totally unscientific tests and found bm to be 10 times faster than fgrep. (And I think I even did the bm first so the file was cached by the time I did the fgrep.) Bryce Jasmer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: NeXT video output Message-ID: <C4u5o5.62z@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Keywords: video output projection Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <C4s1E6.FA2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 02:59:50 GMT beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: >I would like to use a 040 NeXT for a presentation which requires routing the >video to a projection system. >Is it true that only the color nexts allow video output? >Do both NeXT color systems have video outputs? This subject is covered in NeXTAnswers hardware.225. Briefly, if you are connecting to a high quality high-resolution projector (Jim: like those found in ITS classroms at UIUC including 1320 DCL), a <$600 box is all you need. Made by Extron, these boxes provide the proper external sync that is needed. They have a model for monochrome machines as well as for any NeXTStation color. If you are connecting to something like a cheap LCD panel or something that only takes 640x480, you will need something very expensive. (or not available for stations) I have seen the InFocus LCD system, and it is pretty good if you don't need to see all of the screen at once. (it only displays 1024x768, so you get to miss the dock... you can pan around the 1024x768 window on the NeXT's 1120x832 screen pretty easily, though) It is pretty expensive, of course. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Can't save words to Dictionary... Message-ID: <C4u5vn.71A@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Mar27.222303.24496@altsys.com> <1993Apr1.173919.17478@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 03:04:21 GMT Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi writes: >In article <1993Mar27.222303.24496@altsys.com> lorinr@altsys.com >(Lorin Rivers III) writes: >> When I use the spelling tool in NeXTSTEP apps and it finds words I >> know are spelled right and I then tell it to learn them, nothing >happens. >> In fact, nothing I do can make it learn new words. Any suggestions? >> >Mine (HSD Spell) forgets learning as well after logout. >According to HSD there is a bug in NextStep 3.0 causing the effect, >and it is reported to Next. Hope it is fixed in incoming (?) upgrade >of NS. This in fact is a verified bug in NS 3.0. Most people find it manifests itself in the Learn panel of Edit, where most people use spell checking... -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Keywords: ANDI,NeXTSTEP,SX,486,Intel Message-ID: <C4t4B4.E48@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: 1 Apr 93 13:33:04 GMT References: <1pdvh7$7m8@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International In article <1pdvh7$7m8@agate.berkeley.edu> nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) writes: > In article <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> J-Beauchamp@uiuc.edu writes: > >>Be warned that a math coprocessor is HIGHLY recommended. > > >I thought the 486 had the math coprocessor built in. > > The 486sx doesn't. > Something to consider is that the manufacturers I have been dealing with are not focusing on the SX chip at all. They see the NeXTSTEP market as power users compared to the DOS and Windows market. Because of this they are promoting their high end systems (66Mhz in particular), in the future the Pentium, and for the low end the SL line of processors. I would not recommend focusing on the SX chip because the manufacturers are not focusing on it to run NeXTSTEP. Several people have written me regarding the 486 50Mhx DX chip. While I agree with the observation that it is the chip with the highest external clock rate since it is a DX chip not a DX/2 clock doubled chip, I find the manufacturers are not using this chip (I know there will be and are some who will). They are promoting the DX/2 at 50Mhz and 66Mhz. It looks as though we may also see a DX/3 before the end of the year. Instead of the 50Mhz DX chip, the manufacturers are focusing on the Pentium as the high end of their product line. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmeacham@orac.holonet.net (James D. Meacham) Subject: Recycler broken: Help Message-ID: <C4u7vn.4F7@iat.holonet.net> Sender: usenet@iat.holonet.net (USENET News System) Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 03:47:44 GMT For some reason, after changing my home directory, my recyler no longer works. What I mean by this is that when I try to put something in the recycler, I get a message that tells me "this file is on a disk without a recycler: proceeding will destroy these files". Any suggestions? James MEacham ANdover Newton Theological School
From: murshid@unit.edu (murshid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BANG CDRom Not Received Date: 2 Apr 1993 05:04:04 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pghg4$b83@network.ucsd.edu> References: <1993Mar31.181948.26310@investor.pgh.pa.us> Same for me. Mail is bounced to bang. help to get cd rom is appreciated. murshid@unit.edu
From: murshid@unit.edu (murshid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BANG CDRom Not Received Date: 2 Apr 1993 05:05:19 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pghif$b8o@network.ucsd.edu> References: <1993Mar31.181948.26310@investor.pgh.pa.us> Same for me. Mail is bounced to bang. help to get cd rom is appreciated. murshid@unit.edu
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Date: 2 Apr 1993 04:59:30 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1pgh7iINNc11@gap.caltech.edu> References: <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <asd.733700153@mace.cc.purdue.edu> >> >For those who make Squash, it DOES NOT have the best compression. ... >> Squash is slower than a slug! Well, both claims are perhaps a little exaggerated. Squash does not have the best compression on every single file. However, it often has better compression than gzip (or even gzip -9). gzip is definitely faster than Squash, but if Squash is a slug, then gzip is a turtle. Here are some real numbers (the small numbers are times in seconds, and the large numbers are sizes in bytes): file size gzip 1.0.7 gzip 1.0.7 -9 Squash 1.0g ---- ------ ------------- -------------- -------------- bib 111261 1.3 35059 1.7 34896 4 29111 book1 768771 13.8 313370 17.5 312275 34 260099 book2 610856 8.8 206681 10.5 206152 24 177835 geo 102400 3.5 68489 5.1 68410 19 60035 news 377109 4.7 144835 5.3 144395 20 135483 obj1 21504 0.1 10318 0.3 10315 4 10519 obj2 246814 3.4 81626 5.9 81082 16 86619 paper1 53161 0.6 18570 0.6 18536 3 17155 paper2 82199 1.1 29746 1.5 29660 3 25271 paper3 46526 0.6 18090 0.7 18067 4 16191 paper4 13286 0.1 5529 0.1 5527 3 5223 paper5 11954 0.1 4988 0.1 4988 3 4895 paper6 38105 0.3 13225 0.4 13206 4 12775 pic 513216 3.6 56438 23.0 52377 11 50811 progc 39611 0.4 13269 0.5 13255 4 13095 progl 71646 0.7 16267 1.3 16158 3 17259 progp 49379 0.4 11240 1.0 11180 4 12259 trans 93695 0.8 18979 1.0 18856 3 21543 ------- ---- ------- ---- ------- --- ------ 3251493 44.3 1066719 55.8 1059335 166 956178 These are the Calgary Compression Corpus files, which are often used to test text compression algorithms, like gzip and Squash. They may not be completely representative of the files you compress, but they are useful for comparisons. So, we see that Squash did compress better on all but five of the files. Two were executables, two were program source (LISP and Pascal), and one was a terminal log with lots of escape sequences. Squash always did better on the straight text files, which is what it appears to be tuned to. Overall, gzip was three to four times faster than Squash, but that's expected considering the way the two programs go about compression. gzip may very well be close to the limits of what can be done with a compressor of its type, which is repeated strings/Huffman coding. Squash's compression, which uses the more advanced Markov modeling and arithmetic compression is inherently slower (maybe someday we'll get aids for these operations in future microprocessors). I suspect Squash could be improved beyond what it does, but it is actually very fast for its kind of compressor. The public domain comp-2 compressor achieves about the same compression (sometimes better), but is much slower. There is a trade between compression and speed. Very often, people want the highest (lossless) compression possible, without worrying about having it be slow, up to the point of letting it run overnight. Squash tries to address that market. One final note is that it is also inherent in the Squashish-methods that decompression is about the same speed as compression, whereas for gzipish-methods, decompression is much faster than compression (at least for good compression levels). In summary, Squash ain't that bad. In fact, it's pretty good, addresses a valid market, and has multiple-floppy backups as gravy. It doesn't do as well as it should on executables and other non-text files, but maybe it could be a little retuned for those. That's why gzip did better than Squash on the SimonSays.app. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu p.s. I have no association with Squash, except I did some beta testing on it when it was being developed. I am a co-author of gzip, so if anything, I would be more biased towards it.
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: ROM version Message-ID: <65827@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 2 Apr 93 04:58:28 GMT References: <1993Mar31.000537.13306@bluerose.com> <1993Mar31.182446.8645@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 M Carling writes > ADB requires Turbo hardware and ROM version 74. Scott Roy writes: > Is there an easy way to figure out what ROM version is in a Turbo machine? Even more important, is there a way to buy a ROM upgrade for a Turbo? (I think you can get the ROM version using the monitor) -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Date: 2 Apr 1993 05:11:36 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1pghu8INNl6c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <C4t4B4.E48@nextsrv1.andi.org> In article <C4t4B4.E48@nextsrv1.andi.org> bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) writes: > In article <1pdvh7$7m8@agate.berkeley.edu> nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu > (Nicholas C. Weaver) writes: > > In article <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> J-Beauchamp@uiuc.edu > writes: > > >>Be warned that a math coprocessor is HIGHLY recommended. > > > > >I thought the 486 had the math coprocessor built in. > > > > The 486sx doesn't. > > > Something to consider is that the manufacturers I have been dealing > with are not focusing on the SX chip at all. They see the NeXTSTEP > market as power users compared to the DOS and Windows market. > Because of this they are promoting their high end systems (66Mhz in > particular), in the future the Pentium, and for the low end the SL > line of processors. I would not recommend focusing on the SX chip > because the manufacturers are not focusing on it to run NeXTSTEP. > > Several people have written me regarding the 486 50Mhx DX chip. > While I agree with the observation that it is the chip with the > highest external clock rate since it is a DX chip not a DX/2 clock > doubled chip, I find the manufacturers are not using this chip (I > know there will be and are some who will). They are promoting the > DX/2 at 50Mhz and 66Mhz. It looks as though we may also see a DX/3 > before the end of the year. Instead of the 50Mhz DX chip, the > manufacturers are focusing on the Pentium as the high end of their > product line. > > --- > Regards, I have heard that the DX/3 is about the same speed as P5 EMULATING a 486, anybody care to coment..... Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: "jana" <jana@canrem.com> Subject: 350 Meg of NeXT Software for about $9 bucks. Message-ID: <1993Apr1.4902.25275@dosgate> Organization: Canada Remote Systems Distribution: comp Date: 1 Apr 93 23:57:40 EST Hello, The MAR-APR issue of the CD-ROM NeWS for the NeXT computer will start shipping this weekend. This CD-ROM will contain about 340 MB of NeXT software. All the software are new, I sent the CD to press only about 14 days ago. Starting from this issue, all the CD's will ship during the middle of the issue month.(Eg: JAN-FEB CD will go out on FEB 1st and MAR-APR will go out on APR 1st. ). This is because of a contract I signed with a CD-ROM pressing house to get a lower price. If you placed an order for the CD-ROM during the last four weeks, your first issue will start with the MAR-APR issue, the good thing is MAR-APR disk contains everything that was on the JAN-FEB issue, so you are not missing anything. If you have NOT placed an order, but would like to see a sample, E-Mail me your address and I will ship you the MAR-APR issue, if you like it you can pay the one issue price or subscribe and keep the disk, if not send it back to me. Paul Marco (dcode@netcom.com ) will post a file list of the CD-ROM on c.s.n.misc today. Also thanks for the people who have sent their subscription payment, if you have not sent the payments yet, can you mail it please. I believe every NeXT user will benefit from subscribing to this CD, over 300 users have used it and they like it. If you are not planing to subscribe please give me a reason so I can change my approach to suit every one. Thanks a lot Jay jana@canrem.com (800) 363-2083 PS : If you have any questions please free feel to call me. Evening are best time to get me. What is CD-ROM NeWS for NeXT Computer? CD-ROM NeWS is a low cost bimonthly CD-ROM publication that was started so NeXT users without FTP access can get NeXT software. At present we have well over 300 subscribers. The costs of the CD's are: One CD=U$19.95 or U$24.95 for foreign One year subscription=U$59.95 or U$79.95 for foreign Two year subscription=U$99.95 or U$129.95 for foreign. If you would like to get a CD then please E-Mail me your address and I will mail you the MAR-APR disk and you can mail me a cheque for the correct amount. If you live outside of US and Canada then it's foreign and payments should be made in international money orders. -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <C4uBIs.4Mu@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <thompsonC4trEF.ICA@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 05:06:28 GMT In article <thompsonC4trEF.ICA@netcom.com> thompson@netcom.com (Thompson) writes: >In article <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes: >> >>I've twice before mentioned how tar/gzip seems to be better than Squash. >>Both times I received mail telling me how this was not to case. To this >>day, I have yet to see a single example of a file that Squash compressed >>better than gzip. I recently downloaded SimonSays from ftp.msen.com, and >>compared yet again Squash vs. tar/gzip. The results are below. > > >I got the SimonSays, which was squashed, and then just ran gzip -9 on >top of it.. it compressed a bunch more.. ha ha ha. Squash is a joke, >get gzip and use it. (Although I wish they had used ".gz" or ".gzip" >as an extension instead..) > Expect an announcement RSN. .z dropped in favor of .gz due to storm of user protest. Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <60y.02Bv3dTA01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 1 Apr 93 20:55:15 GMT References: <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> <1993Mar30.222324.164528@zeus.calpoly.edu> <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Apr01.130346.4190@cyantic.com> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA In article <1993Apr01.130346.4190@cyantic.com>, mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: >In article <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> J-Beauchamp@uiuc.edu writes: >>mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: >> >>>Be warned that a math coprocessor is HIGHLY recommended. >> >>I thought the 486 had the math coprocessor built in. >> >>Jim Beauchamp > >Welcome to the world of PeeCee's. This is one reason why I got out. > >Clearly the Intel Marketing group is in control over there. The 486sx >is a >full 486 with the FPU disabled. This way they can sell a system with >a Check Motorola out also they sell the same type of thing with their '040 ask the current Mac purchasers. >brain-dead chip in it and an "OverDrive" socket next to it so they can sell >them the same chip again, this time with the FPU not disabled. It is a marketing ploy but the chip is from a different die. Initially it wasn't but Intel removed the FPU from the die so they could have a higher chip count per wafer and a lower cost per sx chip. On the other hand, there is no excuse for charging more for a i487 than a 486dx. >-- > >Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 >CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 >101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: gcc + emacs on NS/Intel Message-ID: <1993Apr1.113725.25052@mic.ucla.edu> Followup-To: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 1 Apr 93 11:37:25 PST I have rather delicate questions which I would rather not discuss on the net: [1] Does the current March release of NS/Intel contain a recent gcc and a recent emacs (and perhaps a recent gdb). I am not interested in the NeXT-specific programming tools, just the very simple basic Unix tools. And, if not, is there a date? [2] If I were to eventually buy only the NS User's Edition, could I legally get a copy of these tools (i.e. the port to NeXT, including the basic libraries [no appkit, bells, whistles, just the ANSI/BSD libraries]). I am not a NeXT developer, just a Unix developer. Please respond to iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu. Thanks. /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Laptop NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Apr2.031906.1158@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 03:19:06 GMT I would like to get an impression from Beta testers on what it is like to run NS/FIP on a laptop/protable. In particular, will this be a good mobile solution for users in May. I realize that you can not give details about NS/FIP in Beta, I just want impressions. Thanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Newsletter for Educational Buy Program Date: 1 Apr 1993 23:08:06 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1pgoom$8b0@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Hi, I am compiling a mailing list for a newsletter that will feature the sale of peripherals exclusively to educators and their students. The focus is to educate educators by exposing them to the newest technologies available. Prices will not be quoted publically due to aggreements with some manufacturers and all interested parties will need to register and be verified. The first issue will be around May 1 and one of the main products featured will be optical discs. All prices will be below any publically advertized price and not available to the general public. Please give me a call and leave you name, address, etc. if you are interested as well as suggestions for what you need. maurices (714) 641-8487
From: murshid@unit.edu (murshid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: BANG CDRom Not Received Date: 2 Apr 1993 08:51:06 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pgupq$hj2@network.ucsd.edu> References: <1993Mar31.181948.26310@investor.pgh.pa.us> Same for me. Mail is bounced to bang. help to get cd rom is appreciated. murshid@unit.edu
From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT video output Message-ID: <1993Apr1.051348.243@bluerose.com> Date: 1 Apr 93 05:13:48 GMT References: <C4s1E6.FA2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: m@bluerose.com Distribution: na Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. In article <C4s1E6.FA2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: > I would like to use a 040 NeXT for a presentation which requires routing the > video to a projection system. > > Is it true that only the color nexts allow video output? > > Do both NeXT color systems have video outputs? We use a projection system with color NeXTstations at BANG meetings. I'm confident that the monochrome NeXTs won't do it. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: zazula@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Ralph Zazula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: "Inspected by: Pinnacle" demo available Message-ID: <1993Apr1.045027.13101@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Date: 1 Apr 93 04:50:27 GMT Sender: zazula@pri.com (Ralph Zazula) Organization: University of Arizona Physics Department Hi - There is a demo of our "Inspected by: Pinnacle" Workspace Manager inspectors on the cs.orst.edu and sonata.cc.purdue.edu archive sites. The file is named "PRIInspector_DEMO.tar.Z" and is currently in the /pub/next/submissions directory on both sites. Let us know what you think, Ralph Zazula Pinnacle Research, Inc. zazula@pri.com
From: harit@kripalu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PasteUp wishes (was: Re: * * * RightBrain's PasteUp 2.0 Sale 50% OFF: ends March 31 * * *) Message-ID: <1993Apr1.134006.8709@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Date: 1 Apr 93 13:40:06 GMT References: <1993Mar31.180948.3134@alf.uib.no> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center In article <1993Mar31.180948.3134@alf.uib.no> edmbv@alf.uib.no (Bj|rn Asle Valde) writes: > In article <1163@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: > > ..advantages are... > > >are speed (launches in about 1 second), ease of use (very intuitive) > >infinite flexibility, good typography, and great support for included > >graphics. > > True, me thinks. IMHO top-priority should be given to > - import/export filters for at least Q-Xpress and PM (_very_ importante) > - an method for 3.party extensions (ala Xtensions for Q-Express) > > You'd be amazed to see all the stuff made with Xpress (at least as > far as Europe goes). > > > > >-- > > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com > > RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) > > Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 > > Mvh, -bav valde@siodata.uio.no > > -- > ,__o Bjorn Asle Valde SiO Data NeXTSenter tel +47-5-320240 > _-\_<, valde@SioData.uio.no Christiesgt. 13 fax +47-5-320238 > (*)/'(*) N-5015 Bergen, Norway Then someone could add TOC and Index extensions and we would not miss Frame anymore. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tnauer@iiic.ethz.ch (Thomas Nauer) Subject: HELP ! Fujitsu M 2511 A Message-ID: <1993Apr2.145125.19535@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Originator: tnauer@c17 Sender: news@neptune.inf.ethz.ch (Mr News) Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 14:51:25 GMT Hello, I've some trouble with the Fujitsu M2511A 3,5'' MO-Drive (Rev 0500). It can't initialize it cause of scsi status and sense key errors. Anyone out there with knowledge or a handmade disktab entry ???? Thanks for any help Thomas Thomas Nauer
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What's the best 486 system to buy now for NS/I? Date: 2 Apr 1993 14:16:31 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <1phhrv$rcp@umd5.umd.edu> Hi, I need to buy a 486 system for immediate use (Windoze). What's the best 486 system to buy now for NS/I? In particular, I'd like have 1280x1024x16 graphics, but no system seems to support that yet. The Dell DGX supports 1120x832x16, but it costs $4150 for a monitorless 16MB RAM, 320MB HD system. Plus, the DGX is not upgradable to a Pentium. The Gateway2000 4DX-66V only supports 1024x768x16, but is much cheaper (3K with a monitor and CD-ROM). An ATI Graphics Ultra Pro / VL-ISI based system seems ideal for me. The ATI will support 1280x1024x24, and VL systems are cheap and fast. One final question: what runs NS/I faster, a 50 MHz 486DX or a 66 MHz 486DX/2? Thanks very much, Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rasm@vnet.ibm.com(Pete Rasmussen) Subject: Re: dwrite Sender: @watson.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Apr02.150649.21048@watson.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 93 15:06:49 GMT News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17h by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers References: <1993Apr1.152826.8433@almserv.uucp> <1993Apr2.005248.8623@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research In <1993Apr2.005248.8623@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: >In article <1993Apr1.152826.8433@almserv.uucp> pdifalco@fnma.com writes: >> >>what are the various dwrite variables for "loginwindow". >>In particular, I want to... > >The New FAQ have the answer for all of your questions. > Are the FAQs shadowed anywhere, anymore? The latest on see on Sonata is Nov. 92, and I see no mention of most of these loginwindow questions. Pete Rasmussen.
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Jobs Date: 2 Apr 1993 16:36:57 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1phmip$137@steffi.demon.co.uk> I would like to hear from any graduates who are currently thinking about or trying to obtain NextStep work. I put these questions forward in the light of recent events. 1. Given everybody wants apps up running as quickly as possible. ie. in most cases rapid prototyping. Do you feel you are to be considered as "Entry level" just because you are a graduate and have no commercial experience? What makes you not "Entry Level"? 2. Do you think its a waste of time looking for a NextStep job since almost everybody in this specialist field is prepared to pay big dollars to get experienced people rather than fostering and nuturing young talented individuals? 3. Do you live in hope that NextStep 486 will create more job opportunities for graduates? or do you still believe that the main NextStep 486 customer base will be those who already turn away graduates. -- "May I take your order now" "Yeah, sure I'll have one big mac, hold the onions" "You want fries with that?" "No thanks" (One computing honors grad to another)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Subject: Re: What's the best 486 system to buy now for NS/I? Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 16:18:27 GMT Message-ID: <C4v6Mr.1M8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1phhrv$rcp@umd5.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: > I need to buy a 486 system for immediate use (Windoze). What's the best 486 >system to buy now for NS/I? In particular, I'd like have 1280x1024x16 >graphics, but no system seems to support that yet. The Dell >DGX supports 1120x832x16, but it costs $4150 for a monitorless 16MB >RAM, 320MB HD system. Plus, the DGX is not upgradable to a Pentium. >The Gateway2000 4DX-66V only supports 1024x768x16, but is much cheaper (3K with >a monitor and CD-ROM). > Which all goes to show that the $5000 NeXTStation was a hell of deal. Jim Beauchamp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Subject: Sound on NS486 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 16:27:58 GMT Message-ID: <C4v72M.1y5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: sound 16-bit D/A A/D DSP 56001 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana The biggest losers in NeXT's decision to stop making hardware are probably the sound and music users. However, some NeXTStep proponents have said that sound and music will continue to be supported using a third-party audio/DSP device. The question is: who's device? Ariel, a very reputable manufacturer of DSP and sound I/O products, has been suggested as the best vendor to go with. However, I just talked with a salesman at Ariel, and the cheapest package he could put together that provided stereo 16-bit D/A and the 56001 DSP was about $3000. When I told him that my students could buy an entire NeXTStation for $3500 with all that capability, his jaw dropped (well, I didn't actually see it over the phone)!! and all he could offer was a 20% educational discount. All I can say is, if you want affordable high quality computer sound, buy a NeXTStation before the inventory is depleted! Jim Beauchamp
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Jana Publishing March-April CD filelist (Long) Date: 2 Apr 1993 16:18:20 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1php0cINNj3m@golden.kaleida.com> Several people requested a list of files that were put on our most recent CD. This is the contents of the March-April issue of CD-ROM NeWS. CD-ROM NeWS is published every other month. We are currently working on our third issue which is due out in June. For subscription information and pricing, please contact Jay at 3179690@Qucdn.queensu.ca. If you have some software that you would like us to include on our CD, please contact Paul Marcos at marcos@kaleida.com. Thanks for your support. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Applications NeXTSTEP Applications (some are demos) BackSpace BackSpaceViews for use with BackSpace screensaver Business Programs that can be used for business applications Comm Communication programs Games Various games for NeXT computers Graphics Graphics and graphic related programs Literature Various pieces of literature Patches System patches for the NeXTSTEP operating system Programming Programs relating to programming on NeXT computers Sound Sounds and sound related programs Source Copies of programs that include source code Utils Various utility programs for NeXT computers Applications co-Xist3.0.demo X11R5 server for NeXT computers DBInspector Sybase database inspector DraftApp Drawing application GatorFTP+ Graphic front end to FTP Gopher_1.3.2 NeXT Gopher client for Internet access GraphicsWorkshop Graphic application Mesa Spreadsheet MetroTools Various tools MindOverMail Address Book application Reporter-Demo Q&A generation tool BackSpace Spiro3 Spirograph screen saver Business Amortize Amortization calculation tool BankNote Shows pictures of various countries currency CheckSumDemo Demo version of personal/business accounting package Currency Converts between different currency types Comm SLIPCommander Administrative tool for SLIP users Slip Implementation of SLIP (Serial Line/Internet Protocol) term Terminal emulation programs Games BlastApp Helecopter battle game BoinkOut Breakout type arcade game ChineseChess Simple version of Chinese Chess Cyber.app 3D Tank battle game games Various UNIX games GoldDigger.app Climb to the top avoiding bad guys OnyxCube.app Find the hidden pieces Risk Same as the board game Xoxeroids Asteroids type game xtank 3D tank battle game for XWindows Graphics bgrPalette.eps Encapulated PostScript pattern bsd_icon.tiff BSD Daemon icon Hyperupic Animate 24-bit TIFF images imageToTIFF Service to convert between various file formats MPEGPlay2.1 MPEG player pCD0.3.1 Kodak Photo CD reader rgbPalette.eps Encapulated PostScript pattern Tesseract 3D modeling software TIFFany.app TIFF manipulation program tiff-utils Various TIFF utilities (UNIX based) Workspace.tiff TIFF image of NeXTSTEP workspace 3D_Reality 3D modeling software Literature All Literature on this CD is pre-indexed for use with NeXTSTEP 3.0 There are also Bookshelves included for your convenience AlexNeXTSTEPBook Excerpts from upcoming NeXTSTEP programming book Bible Passages from the Holy Bible BobDylan Lyrics to Bob Dylans songs ChristmasCarol Various Christmas Carols comp-sys-next.bshlf Bookshelf containing all USENET directories csn-announce USENET archive of comp.sys.next.announce csn-misc USENET archive of comp.sys.next.misc csn-programmer USENET archive of comp.sys.next.programmer csn-sysadmin USENET archive of comp.sys.next.sysadmin csn USENET archive of comp.sys.next Dr. Seuss Popular Dr. Seuss books Dual_CPU_Back-plane Directions on installing 68030 & 68040 boards in a Cube Einstein Various papers by Einstein JanaLiterature.bshlf Bookshelf containing non-NeXT related directories Jana2Literature.bshlf Bookshelf containting NeXT related directories Jargon The Jargon Lexicon LewisCarroll Various works by Lewis Carroll Newsletters BuzzNug newsletters NextAnswers Answers to popular questions NeXT-FAQs-Sep-1992 Frequently Asked Questions NeXT_in_Transition.ps Document published by NeXT regarding transition to NeXT_in_Transition.txt a software only company (various formats) NS486 Compatinilty Guide.rtfd List of NeXTSTEP/Intel compatible hardware NS486.Hardware.ps NS486.Hardware.wn NUCA NeXT Users Choice Awards OrigOfSpecies Exploration of the Origin of Species Paradise Lost Project Gutenberg version of Paradise Lost PRINewProducts.rtf Pinnacle Research Inc product announcement Recipes Yummy recipes from USENET community SupportBulletin_summer_91 NeXT published support bulletins US Government Various government documents VariousPoems Various poems by various authors Yeats_Poetry Poems written by Yeats 92_spring Answers to popular questions 92_spring_bulletin Answers to popular questions Patches DiskEjectFix NeXT published fix for Disk Eject bug in 3.0 Programming AKCL-1-586 NeXT version of kcl (Common Lisp) language Broadcast Broadcast message to NeXT machines camllight Another programming language compressHelp Tool to compress NeXT help panel documents IEMappedFile File mapping class ObjInspector Custom WorkSpace inspector RCString Reference Counting String class RotationSliderPalette Palette for using a rotating slider String A String class Sound Inventions Various score files NXmcnv MIDI converter Rhythm_King_Demo Drum sequencing application ScoreAndSound Play scorefiles and soundfiles TimeWarp DACPlayer for NeXT Computers Utils Archie NeXT Archie client for Internet queries AreaCode.app Area code query tool Background3 Display images on your desktop BarCodes Bar code generator Bessie.app Tutorial for frequency modulation synthesis Briefcase File launching tool Calculator.app Calculator Calendar Calendar program CB.app Communicate over the network CDPlayer0.8 Player for audio CDs CommandMon.app UNIX command monitor Console Console monitor ContourPlot Generate 2 and 3D contour plots Cookie Random quotations darken Screen dimmer Digit.app Scientific calculator doctor.app Display x-ray images of human body DrivePerformance Tool to measure hard drive performance emacs-18.59 GNU e-macs for NeXTs E-Helper Electronic circuitry helper FindStuff1.1 File finding tool FLIPlay Play FLI movies gawk GNU awk version groff groff for NeXT computers gzip-1.0.4 Compression tool InstantTeX TeX utility irc MolViewer molecule viewer MOTD loginhook to display /etc/motd NewClock Preferences clock replacement OfMiceAndMen OnlineStore Network distribution software PhaseScope.app Rosetta.app File conversion utility Sced DOS suffix utility SciPlot Scientific plotting utility ShaderInspector.app Renderman shading inspector SpinCube.app NeXTSTEP demonstration program TeXfig TeX utiliity TimeFlies.app Alarm clock program unarj arj for NeXT VirtSpace Creates virtual screens to expand desktop WhosOnFirst Monitor users logged in ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! JanaPublishing marcos@kaleida.com
From: g-rempe@access.digex.com (Glenn Rempe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DarkForest and Desktop?? Date: 2 Apr 1993 11:50:56 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <1phqtg$3js@access.digex.net> Summary: Where is DarkForest & Desktop Keywords: DarkForest & Desktop Hi everyone, I have heard a lot recently about the programs DarkForest and Desktop but I am unable to find them on the normal archive sites at sonata and orst. Could someone please email me with a pointer to where they can be found, or if they are no longer available at the archive sites please NeXTMAIL me a copy. I know this same question was asked recently, but I forgot what was said. :-( Thanks in advance, Glenn g-rempe@access.digex.com (NeXTMAIL)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dlm40629@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel L. Marks) Subject: NeXTstep course in Chicago Area, Summer of 1993 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 17:47:02 GMT Message-ID: <C4vAqF.4ps@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Distribution: usa Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: NEXTSTEP NEXT COURSE SUMMER 1993 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana A NeXTstep Course will be held in the Chicgo area, that will teach both the basics and more advanced techniques of NeXTstep programming with the Interface Builder,Project Builder, DB Kit, and the Application Kit. It is scheduled for mid-June, will be held in the early evening, and will last for six weeks. The topics that will be covered include: x Introduction to the NeXTstep graphical environment x Creating Applications with the Project Builder x Introduction to Object Oriented Programming x Construction of graphical interfaces with Interface Builder x Objective-C and a brief review of C programming x Digital Librarian and NextDeveloper on-line documentation x Many Application Kit Classes x Display Postscript and pswraps x Mouse and Keyboard Handling and Events x Distributed Objects x Introduction to Mach (Streams and Threads) x Introduction to DB Kit x Porting to NeXTstep-486 We want to know how much interest there is in this course, and if college credit is important for potential enrollees. If you are interested in this course, please respond to dlm40629@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, and tell us if you are interested in taking the course for credit or not. NeXTstep programmers Daniel L. Marks (d-marks1@uiuc.edu) and David Jeske (jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu), formerly with the Mathematics Visualization Project of Argonne National Laboratory, will be instructors for the course. This course has previously been taught for credit by the same instructors at the University of Illinois at Chicago campus. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Marks dlm40629@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 13:11:12 EST From: <3179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93092.1311123179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Jana Publishing March-April CD filelist (Long) Distribution: world References: <1php0cINNj3m@golden.kaleida.com> Hello, Any one requesting information on the CD should send mail to jana@canrem.com and not 3179690@qucdn.queensu.ca because this account is a educational account and I do not want to get into trouble with the school. Thanks a lot Jay Publisher, CD-ROM NeWS for the NeXT Computer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: Sound on NS486 Message-ID: <C4vD1n.9vH@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <C4v72M.1y5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 18:36:57 GMT In article <C4v72M.1y5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: > All I can say is, if you want affordable high quality computer sound, buy a > NeXTStation before the inventory is depleted! Ah, after you add in the cost of a time machine the Ariel is probably the better deal... 8-) -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
From: mb108@cs.city.ac.uk (omo Adelakun Toyin K) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: File transfer: Unix to/from NeXT Date: 2 Apr 1993 20:01:15 +0100 Organization: Computer Science Dept, City University, London Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pi2hrINNqt9@fred.cs.city.ac.uk> What's the best means of transferring files between a non-networked pair of systems: a NeXT system and another Un*x box, say an IBM RS/6000? I've tried tar'ing files to diskette, and the NeXTStation doesn't wanna know! ("invalid device" or "can't open device" - paraphrased.) I'll deeply appreciate any pointers - especially as the FAQs do not seem to cover this aspect of interoperability. Thanx++, Toyin.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.bugs From: otto@epr.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Subject: NS3.0: Bug with printing peculiar-sized envelopes? Message-ID: <OTTO.93Apr2194743@epr.jyu.fi> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.bugs Sender: otto@jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 17:47:43 GMT While we were still running our mono NeXTstation+laser under NS2.1, my girlfriend setup WriteNow for some special envelopes she prints. I believe they were B5 size (right for a folded A4). Ever since I upgraded the machine to NS3.0, the envelopes she's tried to produce with this setup have been misprinted so that the address has been placed somewhere too far right so that half of them are lost. No amount of twiddling with the size settings has helped. Known problem with NS3.0? Fix? -- /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ /* Mail: Kauppakatu 1B18/SF-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N25.44E */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: gibraltar!wiley (Wiley S. Hodges) Subject: Re: Diagram 2 problems Message-ID: <1993Apr2.183609.440@lighthouse.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Keywords: Diagram, software, font, text, bug Sender: wiley@lighthouse.com Organization: Lighthouse Design, Ltd. References: <7500@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 18:36:09 GMT In article <7500@blue.cis.pitt.edu> cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) writes: > In article <4978@cvbnetPrime.COM> skochhar@cvbnet.prime.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) writes: >hi! >I recently tried my copy of Diagram2, and my first reaction was >"how could they ship this???" A couple of pages that took me [problems w/ mysterious text object behavior in Diagram! 2] Ouch. I'll bite on the first question immediately: we could ship Diagram! 2 because we never experienced the problem. In fact, several of our engineers have spent the better part of the morning trying to reproduce this problem, and the fact is that we can't. It sounds like the problem is that the ASCII representation of the data in the text object and the "runs" of formatting data are out of sync. The trouble is, we're at a loss to even explain how they could get into such a state. Casey Palowitch asks us: > Can we have some acknowledgement of this from Lighthouse > and some commitment to a fix? I've gone back to Version one > for the time being. Too bad a lot of my pallettes are > already Diagram2-ized. Well, we can't acknowledge a problem which we can't reproduce. And we certainly can't provide a fix if we don't know what the problem is. I will make a commitment that if we can find the problem, we'll fix it as soon as possible. Regarding the omission of underlining in Diagram! 2, that was done because underlining in the NeXTSTEP Text Object is VERY buggy. We had to take underlining out of Concurrence 1.1 for the same reason. In earlier versions of both Diagram! and Concurrence, underlining produced problems which corrupted documents, rendering those documents irretrievable. We definitely found that to be unacceptable. If we can find a way to implement underlining without this problem, we will certainly do so. I want you to understand, I'm not trying to say that there is no problem, or that we're not concerned about it. We're very concerned about it. If you have any information which could help us to reproduce this problem, please send e-mail to diagram@lighthouse.com (if you have NeXTMail, feel free to send us the problem document), or call us at 1-800-366-2279. Thank you for your support, --Wiley -- Wiley Hodges wiley@lighthouse.com Lighthouse Design, Ltd. NeXTMail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc From: chou@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Ching-Tsun Chou) Subject: Good 14,400 v.32bis modems for NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Apr2.204242.29424@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Date: Fri, 2 Apr 93 20:42:42 GMT Does anyone know any good 14,400 v.32bis modems for NeXT? I want external modems. It would be great if the modem can handle fax as well, but this is not necessary. My machine is a NeXTstation 2.1 (68040). Since I don't read these newsgroups, please send your replies by e-mail to <chou@cs.ucla.edu>. Many thanks in advance!!! - Ching Tsun
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1993Apr02.215239.178550@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 2 Apr 93 21:52:39 GMT References: <60y.02Bv3dTA01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Distribution: na Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo > >Welcome to the world of PeeCee's. This is one reason why I got out. > > > >Clearly the Intel Marketing group is in control over there. The 486sx > >is a > >full 486 with the FPU disabled. This way they can sell a system with > >a > > Check Motorola out also they sell the same type of thing with their > '040 ask the current Mac purchasers. > > >brain-dead chip in it and an "OverDrive" socket next to it so they can sell > >them the same chip again, this time with the FPU not disabled. > > It is a marketing ploy but the chip is from a different die. Initially it > wasn't but Intel removed the FPU from the die so they could have a higher > chip count per wafer and a lower cost per sx chip. On the other hand, > there is no excuse for charging more for a i487 than a 486dx. I think it wasn't a exactly a ploy. Chip plants have a very high failure rate per item (15% success is considered enough to go to market). A number of chips rolling off a 486 or 040 line could have problems with the FPU and nothing else, therfore they sell the chip as a SX (or something similar) until quality is up to the point where there arn't enough of the crippled chips. At this point they usually switch to a smaller die. I would guess this is the case with both Intel and Motorola. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: birjandi@ra.cs.umb.edu (Abbas Birjandi) Subject: Reading and writing Macintosh disks Message-ID: <1993Apr1.230057.18224@cs.umb.edu> Sender: news@cs.umb.edu (netnews) Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS References: <32858@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 23:00:57 GMT Hello, Is there any utility to read/write and format Macintosh disks? I do appreciate your help. Thanks. Abbas
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A little Solaris for Intel Comedy Date: 3 Apr 1993 00:35:42 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pim4uINN607@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I copied this from comp.sys.sun.misc. If this is any indication of how complicated and buggy Solaris for Intel is, NeXT has nothing to worry about! Eric Hermanson M.I.T. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Has anyone else tried playing with Solaris for Intel? I got the package at the developers conference this week, and have had a devil of a time trying to install it on my system. The system is a 33Mhz 486DX, AMI BIOS, 16Mb, Adaptec AHA1542b SCSI, Orchid fahrenheit 1280 video card, Thunderboard sound card, Texel DM3024 CDROM drive, CDC Wren IV and Maxtor 8760 SCSI drives, and Archive Viper 2150S tape drive. The problems.. 1.) The sound card had to be removed in order for even the floppy to boot. It would go through and find the Adaptec controller, print a message saying it was installing the driver, then it would hang solid. This sound card is Sound Blaster 1.x compatible, which is supported, but I guess there is some subtl problem. 2.) With the sound card removed, I can boot from the CDROM. It incorrectly identifes my mouse as a built-in PS/2 mouse. I can select MS compatible mouse (although the menus need work). 3.) When you go to configure the disk partitions, it always says (when exiting the menu) that there is unallocated space, when there isn't. 4.) The screen for entering the time and time zones is off by 1 hour. ie, in the menu, I can enter 20 for the hour, but when I exit, it says the current time is 19:xx, and asks if this is correct. 5.) When selecting the software categories, it does not give you much help in sizing the slices for the disk partition. One screen gives minimum and suggested sizes, but when you actually go to edit and save the configuration, it gives you 0's for all. It could at least fill it in with defaults, instead of having to re-enter from memory (the previous screen is wiped out). 6.) The documentation is quite lacking on information that would be useful for configuring for booting multiple OS's, like OS/2 and NT do. During the install, it makes some reference to needing a SOLARIS partition on your boot drive, but cannot figure out how this fits in with multiple boots. 7.) Once I got past that, and started the install, it spewed out a screen of messages that were immediately cleared out, and then hung. I presume the messages were important, but I can't catch them fast enough. I was trying to install on my second disk (SCSI ID 1), I will try configuring as ID 0 and see what happens. Anyway, I will play some more.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: PasteUp wishes (was: Re: * * * RightBrain's PasteUp 2.0 Sale 50% OFF: ends March 31 * * *) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 00:58:27 GMT Message-ID: <C4vupF.HFB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Mar31.180948.3134@alf.uib.no> <1993Apr1.134006.8709@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana harit@kripalu.com writes: >Then someone could add TOC and Index extensions and we would not miss >Frame anymore. I think there are plenty of items that Frame has that would still make Frame worth missing. Among them are: * Localization support (you can make many different versions of the same document localized for a particular language, platform, what have you). There are definate improvements that could be made to how this is implemented (as with most any Frame feature) but not having the ability at all is quite limiting, in my opinion. * Ability to read/write (or at least just read) Frame documents (Xpress and PageMaker formats are important too, but since this post is speaking directly to replacing Frame, support for the user's Frame documents must be addressed) * The price. If nothing were done to make PasteUp compete with Frame, I would not be able to justify paying PasteUp's price. Granted, this is a more personal objection, however I don't have the kind of money PasteUp costs for a product that isn't upwardly-compatible with my many Frame documents. * Variables (a simple request for any word processor/DTP/Page Layout software -- the ability to specify a variable for anything instead of hardcoding the data within the document. This way, if the name of the product for which you are writing the manual changes, for instance, a simple change of the variable would go a long way toward fixing all the occurrences of the name. Search & Replace can't always fix this problem when features like rotated text and inline Postscript are involved) * Seamless integration of the above. Frame doesn't have this on all levels, but it's certainly possible to do. Allowing one to use a localized variable, for instance, is a very natural and handy use of the features (Last I tried, I believe Frame did this fine for my purposes, but I had some ideas of things it couldn't do because it wouldn't let me insert some particular data type in the tons of requestors it uses to do special things). I'm not 100% sure, but it just seems like PasteUp isn't even going after the Frame market. It seems to me like they're going after dollars that would otherwise be spent on Quark (and a Mac). However, from my discussions with people at Pages, it seems like Pages is going to be able to 'make people no longer miss Frame'. I look forward to seeing Pages by Pages when it comes out. -- -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Survey -- Information for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Apr2.225707.2842@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 22:57:07 GMT This is a survey. Please both email me your answer, and post it. What we are looking for are realistic, levelheaded, coherent and concise statements about the following. Please respond with a brief narrative to each point. I will submit these in total to appropriate people at NeXT. This is an opportunity to help NeXT help itself. Remember, you catch a lot more flies with honey that with vinegar. Keep the responses positive and realistic. ??If I were Steve Jobs I would: ??In order to satisfy the Third parties need to have a large installed ??base, I would if __________ I were NeXT. ??NeXT's main problem is: ??That problem affects me directly in the following way: ??I use my NeXT in the following ways: ??This is what every NeXT user should do to help: ??My job is (as it relates to NeXT): ie. Student using NeXT VAR Reselling NEXT ??NeXT can help me in my job most by: Please reply to jspears@weston.com, If you want to be anonymous, please indicate so, and I will remove any reference of your name when I send it to NeXT. I plan to send this to the Channel Manager, and Steve Jobs. Steve probably does not read his mail, but someone does. Remember, we want to give ideas and information that will help make us all successful. Thank you
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: ROM version Message-ID: <1993Apr3.050817.27139@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <65827@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 05:08:17 GMT In article <65827@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: > M Carling writes > > ADB requires Turbo hardware and ROM version 74. > > Scott Roy writes: > > Is there an easy way to figure out what ROM version is in a Turbo machine? > > Even more important, is there a way to buy a ROM upgrade for a Turbo? > (I think you can get the ROM version using the monitor) I think you've missed the window to purchase "spare parts" from NeXT, but why not call and see (and beg if necessary). You'll also need the ADB starting point kit with new cable and an ADB soundbox. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: NeXT video output Message-ID: <C4wAws.G2o@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <C4s1E6.FA2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Apr1.051348.243@bluerose.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 06:48:14 GMT M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >In article <C4s1E6.FA2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James >Beauchamp) writes: >> I would like to use a 040 NeXT for a presentation which requires routing >the >> video to a projection system. >> >> Is it true that only the color nexts allow video output? >> >> Do both NeXT color systems have video outputs? >We use a projection system with color NeXTstations at BANG meetings. I'm >confident that the monochrome NeXTs won't do it. I have done it. A box from Extron (I believe it's the RGB 111, but I am not sure... they have two separate boxes: one for color and one for monochrome) does it. I have displayed output from a NeXTStation Monochrome onto a Barco Graphics Series monitor. Note that this projector is quite expensive. The box is quite small and is fairly inexpensive. (No, I don't have the box, I borrowed it from my NeXT field office for a user group meeting here...) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ed@talus.com Subject: Re: rtf to ascii Message-ID: <1993Apr3.041418.2534@talus.com> Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation References: <1993Mar24.150236.18352@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 04:14:18 GMT In article <1993Mar24.150236.18352@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: > In article <1993Mar23.153915.22920@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) > writes: > > If I receive a rtf file and am remotely logged into my next, how can I > > convert the rtf to ascii to read it via telnet? > > > try "/usr/bin/rtf-ascii filename | more". I can't find that on my disk. Does everybody have that ? Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" · Talus Corporation We are so very far from home. All of us.
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: rtf to ascii Message-ID: <1173@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 3 Apr 93 08:55:17 GMT References: <1993Apr3.041418.2534@talus.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com ed@talus.com writes > > > If I receive a rtf file and am remotely logged into my next, how can I > > > convert the rtf to ascii to read it via telnet? > > > > > try "/usr/bin/rtf-ascii filename | more". > > I can't find that on my disk. Does everybody have that ? On my system, there's a program called: /usr/lib/indexing/rtf-ascii Maybe that's it? -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: Dirk Schwarzhans Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Help: Game programme "Puzzle" unsuccessfully submitted to sonata Date: 3 Apr 1993 10:02:54 GMT Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Message-ID: <1pjnce$auv@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Keywords: game, puzzle Reply-To: dirk@kalium.physik.tu-berlin.de Hello, I have tried to submit my PD game programme to sonata.cc.purdue.edu twice -- without success. The programme is available on the german server "ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de". The programme consists of the two files "Puzzle_1.0.english.README" and "Puzzle_1.0.tar.z" in the directory "/pub/next/games/". Perhaps anybody with more luck may fetch the files from there and put them at an appropriate place. Puzzle is a game programme. It cuts a TIFF picture to pieces, which the player must put together. The fun you have depends on the TIFF picture you chose. Scanned pictures containing large uniform areas and having low contrast may be difficult to puzzle and therefore be boring. Dirk Schwarzhans
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sound on NS486 Date: 3 Apr 1993 12:44:08 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pk0qoINN76@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <C4v72M.1y5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <C4v72M.1y5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) writes: > The biggest losers in NeXT's decision to stop making hardware are probably the > sound and music users. However, some NeXTStep proponents have said that sound > and music will continue to be supported using a third-party audio/DSP device. At this moment people are thinking very hard of a low cost add-on for the Intel powered boxes to get the same sound/music capability as Motorola powered NeXTSTEP users have. If you are interested you might join the following list: nas@flip.cpsc.ucalgary.ca <NeXTSTEP Audio Standard mailing list> To subscribe or unsubscribe: send mail to the above address with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" as the subject. Use "@help" to receive a help file. Annard P.S. There is little activity on this list at the moment so I guess people are thinking _very hard_ about it right now :-))) -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Should we run NeXT in Russia? (LONG) Keywords: NeXT, Russia Message-ID: <neuss.733845625@batida> Date: 3 Apr 93 14:00:25 GMT References: <AAdljjhOO7@comcen.nsk.su> Sender: news@igd.fhg.de ak@comcen.nsk.su (Alexander Y. Kouznetsov) writes: >Hi world, >My name is Alexander Kouznetsov. I'm a director of Marketing and >R&D) in software company named Golden Field in located in >Novosibirsk scientific town - Akademgorodok (Siberia, RUSSIA). >In our company have the only one NeXTStation within about 4 >hours of flight around. We get it 3 months ago and WE LIKE IT! >We were optimistic about running NeXT in Russia and we had a >long term business plans for NeXT sales and software development >around here. >Now we were shocked by Steve Jobs announcement. [munch] >Help me World, I trust you. >Alexander Kouznetsov, ak@comcen.nsk.su Yo fellow netters, I tried to mail, but it bounced.. Maybe somebody on the net knows of a path to get this message through to sibiria (cause who knows how stable their USENET acces is). These people really can use our help. Chris === snip === Dear Alexander, In my humble opinion you should take a look at NeXTstep for Intel Plattforms.. It can be run on a better equipped PC, and gives you the possibility to run NeXTstep on a variety of PCs.. Thus you can sell complete solutions to your cutomers. NeXTstep software and all the tools integrated there (e.g. sending faxes from computer, printing PostScript on an inexpensive non-PostScript Laser or InkJet printer..) plus your application specific development. I'm forwarding some info to you. Good luck and best wishes from Germany Chris /* * Christian Neuss % neuss@igd.fhg.de % ..in the humdrum */ ================ NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors - Hardware Compatibility Guide Pre-Release Feb 5, 1993 This document describes in general terms, the types of IBM Compatible PC based hardware that will be supported by NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors in it's First General Release.This document also describes specific systems supported in the pre-release. Although many different vendors systems will work with NeXTSTEP, in order to assure compatibility with the pre-release, users should use the specific systems listed in the next email message. For any hardware specification or purchase, please contact NeXT for the latest update to this Guide. General Requirements: CPU - 486 based PC Compatible Computer. This includes 486SX, 486DX, 486DX/2. Future Intel Microprocessor designs in the x86 family such as the Pentium will also be supported. 486DX and 486DX/2's are recommended for better performance. Expansion Bus - ISA or EISA expansion bus. EISA backplanes with EISA SCSI and LAN adapters are recommended for better performance. Available Hard Disk Space - User Environment, 120 MB Minimum. Developer Environment, 330 MB Minimum. Larger local disks are recommended for stand alone systems. Pre-release recommended configuration: 486DX or DX/2 CPU, 24MB RAM, 400MB Hard Drive. Additional disk space may be required for systems with local DOS/Windows partitions. Graphics: NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors Display Postscript Graphics system supports both Grayscale and Color on Intel based PC's. The Graphics Adapter support and RAM requirements vary depending upon the user's selection of Grayscale or Color. 2 Bit Grayscale System Support: Graphics Adapters - Several VESA (Video Electronics Standards Association) compatible VGA or Super VGA Graphics Adapters will be supported. This includes popular Super VGA cards from vendors such as the Orchid, ATI, Paradise, Video Seven and Compaq. These graphics adapters will be supported at resolutions of 1024x768, 800x600 and 640x480. Resolutions at or above 800x600 are recommended. RAM - Minimum 8 MB, 12 MB Recommended. 16 Bit Color System Support: Graphics Adapters - In order to provide adequate performance and color quality, NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors requires High Performance "Workstation" style Graphics Adapters. Many new Graphics Systems are being introduced that meet these requirements, they include Intel JAWS (such as DELL Processor-Direct Graphics), Chips and Technologies Wingine, and certain Local Bus and VL-Bus Graphics. Depending upon the size of available VRAM (Video RAM) resolutions of 800x600, 1024x768, 1120x832 and 1280x1024 will be supported. Graphics Adapters designed for EISA based PC's are also available (such as Compaq QVision 1024/E and ATI Graphics Ultra Pro / EISA). RAM - Minimum 16 MB, 24 MB Recommended. Pre-release Recommended configuration: 16 Bit Color system with 1024x768 or greater resolution. Additional Device Support: Disk Interfaces - Both IDE and SCSI Hard Disk Interfaces will be supported. SCSI adapters from Adaptec and DPT will be supported, with more to follow. Pointing Devices - Microsoft and Logitec compatible PS/2, Serial and Logitec Bus mice are supported. Printer Support - Any Postscript Level I or II printer connected via a serial or parallel port, including the NeXT Color Printer (connected via a SCSI port). Support of Non-Postscript printers will be available in a future release. Networking Support - ISA and EISA based Networking Adapters will be supported including Ethernet and Token Ring Cards from vendors such as SMC (Western Digital), Intel and 3Com. A Networking card is optional. Sound Support - Several popular PC sound Cards will be supported for both Playback and Recording. These include PC Sound Adapters such as the MediaVision Pro Audio Spectrum, Sound Blaster Pro and Integrated Business Audio from Compaq. A Sound card is optional. Additional Devices - Other popular PC peripherals such as FAX/Modems will be supported. Mit freundlichen Gruessen Christian Schleich Nextpoint ----- End Included Message -----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.admin From: eric%basilisk@src.honeywell.com (Eric D. Engstrom) Subject: Re: Recycler broken: Help Message-ID: <C4x5G3.43I@basilisk.uucp> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.admin Sender: eric@basilisk.uucp (Eric D. Engstrom) Organization: anonymous References: <C4u7vn.4F7@iat.holonet.net> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 17:48:02 GMT James D. Meacham writes > For some reason, after changing my home directory, my recyler no longer > works. What I mean by this is that when I try to put something in the > recycler, I get a message that tells me "this file is on a disk without a > recycler: proceeding will destroy these files". Any suggestions? I assume that what you mean by "changing my home directory" is that you moved it to a different disk or partition of a disk. With that in mind, read on: Basically, when you dump a file in the recycler, the workspace manager (attempts) to move it to one of the following locations: (note: no order implied here, 'cause I'm unsure of the actual order used) - $HOME/.NeXT/.NextTrash (Should always exist; unsure what happens if it doesn't) - /tmp/.NextTrash_$USER (Automatically created if non-existent) - $MNT-POINT/.NextTrash/$USER (.NextTrash NOT automatically created if non-existent) Also, the workspace requires that the trash directory into which it puts the to-be-deleted file be on the same disk partition that the file originally came from (for speed, I assume). Also, an example of the permissions for the external disk .NextTrash directory (which is not automatically created) should be : (52)basilisk% ls -aldg /private/mnt2/local/.NextTrash drwxrwxrwt 3 root 1024 Dec 5 09:36 /private/mnt2/local/.NextTrash/ Notes: - /private/mnt2/local is the mount point. - do "chmod 1777 .NextTrash" to get the permissions right. Thus, if you moved your home directory from one partition to another, the one you left may not have a "recycler-repository" to use. Hope this helps, Eric p.s. I just checked the FAQ and NeXTAnswers - The only reference to this was NextAnswers/sysadmin.812, which didn't explain quite everything. Also, everything I said works for 3.0 and should for 2.0 (I think) +------------ Eric D. Engstrom, Honeywell Systems & Research Center, Mpls, MN, USA engstrom@src.honeywell.com -or- NeXT: eric%basilisk@src.honeywell.com < I eat from the four food groups: Barley, Hops, Yeast, Water >
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PasteUp wishes (was: Re: * * * RightBrain's PasteUp 2.0 Sale 50% OFF: ends March 31 * * *) Date: 3 Apr 1993 13:39:36 -0600 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <1pkp5o$6ji@imladris.cubetech.com> References: <1993Mar31.180948.3134@alf.uib.no> <1993Apr1.134006.8709@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> <C4vupF.HFB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <C4vupF.HFB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: >harit@kripalu.com writes: >I think there are plenty of items that Frame has that would still make >Frame worth missing. Among them are: [lots of frame features deleted] Gosh, I think you forgot to mention "stability." andrew
From: matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Bumper Stickers Date: 3 Apr 1993 20:23:36 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pkro8$r4q@umd5.umd.edu> Does anyone know of a place that does custom bumper stickers and/or buttons (sorta like TK... hey, I bet they would... anyway). I've got a great idea for one. "I'd rather be running NeXTstep." Highly unoriginal, but oh so true. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Accident: A condition in which presence of mind is good, but absence of body is better. -- Foolish Dictionary
From: Dirk Schwarzhans Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Puzzle now submitted to cs.orst.edu Date: 3 Apr 1993 20:49:22 GMT Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Message-ID: <1pkt8i$mav@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <1pjnce$auv@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> In article <1pjnce$auv@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Dirk Schwarzhans writes: > Hello, > > I have tried to submit my PD game programme to sonata.cc.purdue.edu > twice -- without success. > Hello, I have submitted the game "Puzzle" now to "cs.orst.edu". Remember: The version on "sonata" is still corrupted. Dirk Schwarzhans
From: rgt@oin.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Should I bother Date: 3 Apr 1993 01:42:36 GMT Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH Distribution: na Message-ID: <1piq2c$5ns@mozz.unh.edu> I was thinking of picking up a NeXT (while I can still get an educational discount), but with the announcement that NeXT will not be producing hardware anymore, I was wondering if I should go ahead or wait until NeXTStep for a platform I already use (PC, SPARC, etc) comes out. It's really too bad that we won't be seeing any new black boxes. I first used a NeXT in 1989 and loved it immediately, and have yet to see anything as good (although GeoWorks comes close). I remember that the reps had a commercial running as a demo and always wondered why I never saw it on TV. Oh well, no one ever said good ideas would always succeed (unfortunately).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Price of NS 3.1 Motorola? Message-ID: <1993Apr3.163525.8921@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 93 16:35:25 GMT Does anyone know the price for the NS 3.1 update for NeXTcube/station owners? I know that going from N.x to N.{x+1} used to be cheap, but how will it be in the future? Sun charges about $1000 (in Germany) for going from each 4.1.1 to 4.1.2 to 4.1.3 etc., unless you have a maintenance contract with them, so I'm really concerned. The question is: Will NeXTSTEP 3.1 Motorola be US$1795? Volker -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1993Apr3.170240.9040@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <1pghu8INNl6c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 93 17:02:40 GMT In article <1pghu8INNl6c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes: [...] > I have heard that the DX/3 is about the same speed as P5 EMULATING a 486, > anybody care to coment..... What you've heard is partly boulderdash. A Pentium runs about 40%-60% faster than a 486 with the same clock frequency on common code (i.e. the famous "millions of applications" we allegedly cannot live without). That corresponds to roughly 35-40 SPECint92, not a very exciting figure. Code that's compiled specifically for Pentium using pre-alpha intel-only compilers that make use of non-disclosed information (Appendix H of the Pentium documentation) gets up to 60 SPECint92, which isn't too fast either. Alpha, PA-RISC, RS/6000, MIPS R4400 are faster and have been shipping in volume for some time now. Pentium won't be out the door till at least 3Q93 in volume, that's for sure. Concerning the "emulation" of 486 code: see my recent posting in this group. The Pentium's *only* native machine code is identical to the 486's. All this stuff about Pentium being a RISC processor emulating something is just plain wrong. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do I sort incoming mail into different mailboxes? Date: 3 Apr 1993 22:01:03 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pl1evINN6kq@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: mail, mailboxes I would like to be able to sort my incoming mail into different mailboxes. Specifically, all the mail addressed to a mailing list of which I am a part needs to go to a different box. Is this possible? If so, how do I accomplish this task? Thanks in advance. -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Subject: Re: Should we run NeXT in Russia? (LONG) Message-ID: <16BA5E589.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: University of Missouri References: <AAdljjhOO7@comcen.nsk.su> <neuss.733845625@batida> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 22:19:18 GMT The mail I sent either made it or died quietly, but it didn't bounce. I offered the same suggestions: move into NS/FIP Regards, David K. Drum uc512052@Mizzou1.missouri.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: How do I sort incoming mail into different mailboxes? Message-ID: <1993Apr3.222723.5426@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <1pl1evINN6kq@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 22:27:23 GMT In article <1pl1evINN6kq@tamsun.tamu.edu> bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) writes: > I would like to be able to sort my incoming mail into > different mailboxes. Specifically, all the mail addressed to > a mailing list of which I am a part needs to go to a different > box. Is this possible? If so, how do I accomplish this task? > > Thanks in advance. > Theres a package called mailforward available on purdue which does this. Theres been a new release recently. I'd also like to take this little opportunity to pre-announce our Mail.app replacement product. It'll be announced for real next week, but its basically a drop-in replacement of Mail.app, thats extensible, fixed, supports other systems, has tons of extra features, and supports the sorting of mail into multiple mailboxes. The product should ship in beta form in 2 to 3 weeks. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hanzel@teal.csn.org (Karl Hanzel) Subject: microphone audio-cleanser program? Message-ID: <C4xzu0.L6x@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (news) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 04:44:23 GMT I would be interested in hearing from anyone who might have pioneered (or just knows of, or knows of someone who might know of...) a program employing the DSP on a NeXT, that will effectively clean up the audio signal when recording from the built-in microphone. By "clean up", I mean a filter that will remove the 60hz (? and multiples thereof) hum that one inevitably gets. Preferably, this would be something running in realtime, but I'd still be interested in something that might operate on an existing sound file. I find that the noise is especially bad when recorded on color/sound_box systems, where the mic is inherently close to the disk & cooling fan. I'd read-up on DSP & sound programming & do it myself if I didn't suspect that it must have already been done too many times already. Thanks, pax, Karl *-----> Karl Hanzel karl@khaos.com (NeXT Mail welcome!) (303)443-6602
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Games Message-ID: <1993Apr3.212632.391@weston.com> Keywords: What is the best Single Player NeXT Game Available Sender: jspears@weston.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 21:26:32 GMT What is the best Single player NeXT game that is available? Thanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com
From: Dirk Schwarzhans Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Puzzle now submitted to cs.orst.edu Date: 4 Apr 1993 09:21:46 GMT Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Message-ID: <1pm9ba$6ss@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <1pkt8i$mav@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> In article <1pkt8i$mav@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Dirk Schwarzhans writes: > Remember: The version on "sonata" is still corrupted. I'm very sory about the trouble I have caused, but I didn't know that you can delete submitted files on sonata. Dirk Schwarzhans
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers Message-ID: <1993Apr4.002909.2924@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <1pkro8$r4q@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 00:29:09 GMT How about stickers for PCs that say: "My other computer is a NeXT." Then again, this doesn't have the appeal that it would have a year ago. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies In article <1pkro8$r4q@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) writes: > Does anyone know of a place that does custom bumper stickers and/or buttons > (sorta like TK... hey, I bet they would... anyway). > > I've got a great idea for one. > > "I'd rather be running NeXTstep." > > Highly unoriginal, but oh so true. > ------ > Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted) > ------ > Accident: A condition in which presence of mind is good, but absence of > body is better. > -- Foolish Dictionary >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Apr4053535@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 4 Apr 93 05:35:35 References: <hal.733432287@yorku.ca> <1993Mar30.222324.164528@zeus.calpoly.edu> Organization: Is a sign of weakness <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1pdvh7$7m8@agate.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.gac.edu In-reply-to: nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu's message of 1 Apr 1993 05:45:11 GMT In article <1pdvh7$7m8@agate.berkeley.edu>, nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu (Nicholas C. Weaver) writes: >In article <C4s13x.F04@news.cso.uiuc.edu> > J-Beauchamp@uiuc.edu writes: >>>Be warned that a math coprocessor is HIGHLY recommended. > >>I thought the 486 had the math coprocessor built in. > > The 486sx doesn't. > > That's why it's an sx. Sorta like a Moto 68LC040 (which is >used in the mac Centris 610 and baseline 650) Actually ... to the best of my knowledge, the '486sx is simply an artifical means of increasing Intel revenue. In the beginning, rather than reduce the price (and thus the profits) of their '486 line Intel decided to disable the floating point processor on some chips and sell that as a cheaper sx version. The "floating point coprocessor" is simply a '486 that takes over everything from the sx chip, which is then no longer used - a $300 waste, in essence. I'm not certain if they _still_ make sx's this way, but I've not heard differently ... This makes the mind wander into the future ... the Pentium is supposed to be a RISC-like chip with a '586 emulation mode. So, perhaps there will be a Pentium-sx (floating point disabled), and also a Pentium-486 (the RISC mode is disabled and you can only run '486 code on it), and of course Pentium-486sx (disable the floating point in the bargain). Anything for a buck, I guess ... Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: datec@gagme.chi.il.us (Charles Robinson) Subject: Re: Diagram 2 problems Message-ID: <1993Apr3.165658.14890@serveme.chi.il.us> Sender: usenet@serveme.chi.il.us Organization: GAGME - Public Access UNIX of Chicago, Illinois, USA, Earth References: <7500@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 16:56:58 GMT Casimir J Palowitch (cjp+@pitt.edu) wrote: [ munch ] : Font attributes go flitting around within the text object : in unpredictable ways that makes me pull my hair out. : Can we have some acknowledgement of this from Lighthouse and : some commitment to a fix? I've gone back to Version one for the time : being. Too bad a lot of my pallettes are already Diagram2-ized. : I contacted Lighthouse about fractional point sizes. Since they use RTF as their archive format, and RTF has a granularity limit of 1/2 point (i.e. 24 point is represented as 48 and only integers are allowed) -- Watch yourself. In fact even half point stuff does not work right. (I believe this is a bug in the NeXT text object rather than on Lighthouse's part.) For real humor type some text in at 11 point. Select it. Call up the font panel. Change it to 11.9 point. Try editing the result. It doesn't just work. BTW if you save and restore the diagram, you will discover that the text has reverted to 11 point and is again editable. For a different look and feel try the demo draw.app. There the selected text changes appearance to 11.9 but reverts to 11 point when deselected. (Sort of textual animation on the de-select). Of course since you are again at an integral point size, editing works fine. I discovered all this when writing a pagination app which tried to do accurate image s
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: The mother of all hardware announcements... Message-ID: <1993Apr4.172620.11877@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 17:26:20 GMT So if you thought that the NeXT announcement was a surprise. Check out this rumour (one hop, orig. source inside Sun). Within the next month Sun Microsystems will be making a *big* announcement. Apparently Sun will get out of the workstation market, and concentrate on high-end servers and on Solaris. Reasoning: PC machines are becoming low-cost alternatives to SPARC stations, while offering equivalent performance and a choice of at least 4 versions of UNIX (Linux, SCO, NeXTSTEP, Solaris), MS-Windows, NT, or DOS. Comment? We never thought NeXT would do it either, but why buy a SPARC when you can get more options, similar performance, and way more software on a PC? I can't think of one... THIS IS NOT A LATE APRIL FOOL'S JOKE. - db
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: microphone audio-cleanser program? Message-ID: <1993Apr4.144040.4513@arizona.edu> From: zazula@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Ralph Zazula) Date: 4 Apr 93 14:40:39 MST Sender: zazula@pri.com (Ralph Zazula) References: <C4xzu0.L6x@csn.org> Distribution: world,local In article <C4xzu0.L6x@csn.org> hanzel@teal.csn.org (Karl Hanzel) writes: >I would be interested in hearing from anyone who might have pioneered >(or just knows of, or knows of someone who might know of...) a program >employing the DSP on a NeXT, that will effectively clean up the audio >signal when recording from the built-in microphone. > >By "clean up", I mean a filter that will remove the 60hz (? and multiples >thereof) hum that one inevitably gets. Preferably, this would be >something running in realtime, but I'd still be interested in something >that might operate on an existing sound file. > Hi - One of the features of our newly released SoundInspector is a Noise Gate function. The noise gate suppresses samples in the sound that are less than a user defined threshold. I use this function to remove noise between words when recording from the monitor microphone. You can find a demo of the "Inspected by: Pinnacle" SoundInspector (and the Image and Compression ones too) in the file: PRIInspectors_DEMO2.tar.Z on cs.orst.edu and sonata.cc.purdue.edu in /pub/next/submissions. Ralph --- Ralph Zazula Pinnacle Research, Inc. zazula@pri.com (602)529-1135
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I saw the NeXT RISC box! Date: 4 Apr 1993 23:11:36 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pnpv8INN8gf@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> There was a Boston Computer Society "Mega" meeting and exposition this weekend. The BCS-NeXT user group sponsored a NeXTSTEP booth, with NeXTSTEP running on both NeXT machines and Intel's. It turns out that NeXT, inc. donated the demo Intel machines. The interesting part is that one of the Intel machines was actually a NeXT RISC box (outer shell) with a PC motherboard inside! The NeXT RISC box is (or more appropriately could have been) BEAUTIFUL! It was roughly the same shape as existing slabs, but about an inch taller & wider (to make room for multiple PowerPC multiprocessing chips), and it had *many* more ports on both the sides and back. This RISC box had digital audio (CD-Quality) input and output jacks, digital microphone and headphone ports, a built in ISDN port, and some sort of large port for real time video in/out. Of course, the Intel motherboard did not support any of these ports; NeXT was merely using the RISC shell as a casing for the Intel demo system. Now I can see why the hardware guys at NeXT were so upset when they learned about the software only strategy! If NeXT would have released the RISC system, it would have definately been the *premier* multimedia workstation. But, I doubt it would have gotten NeXT out of their sales slump. I still think they did the right thing moving to software, but it sure was neat to see the RISC box. By the way, NeXT is supposed to bring the RISC box (with PC motherboard inside) to the BCS-NeXT meeting in Cambridge, Mass. on April 6. There will also be a NeXTSTEP laptop there, so users should try to attend this meeting! Eric Hermanson M.I.T. P.S. NeXTSTEP Intel seems very stable, and with the proper graphics card setup, graphics performance will be as fast or faster then NeXT Computer graphics performance.
From: dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: decompress *.z files not "Z" Date: 4 Apr 1993 23:51:41 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <1pnsad$3pp@transfer.stratus.com> References: <rabjab.90.733276917@golem.ucsd.edu> Jeff Bytof writes > In article <1993Mar27.233950.10539@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: > > > Did I miss any new compression technology or what? Can anyone tell > >me how to decompress those "z" files? > > You must have that Z suffix at the end. "mv" the files accordingly. NO! NO! NO! You'll just produce garbage. The lowercase .z indicates it was compressed by GNU-zip (gzip). Get it from prep.ai.mit.edu. Much better than compress/uncompress. -- L. W. "Dan" Danz (WA5SKM) VOS Mail: Dan_Danz@vos.stratus.com Sr Consulting Software SE NeXT Mail: dan@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Voice Mail/Pager: (602) 852-3107 Telecommunications Division Customer Service: (800) 828-8513 Stratus Computer, Inc. 4455 E. Camelback #115-A, Phoenix AZ 85018
From: steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank) Subject: NeXT printer: Paper does not come out the other end Message-ID: <2BBF783F.29459@news.service.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 5 Apr 93 00:07:27 GMT There are a set of cylindrical paper feeders above the output tray of the NeXT printer that pull the paper out of the printer and into the output tray. These cylinders spin during printing in order to pull the paper through the printer. I have a printer that works well except that the cylinders no longer spin. This causes the paper to stick in the printer rather than coming all the way through, which in turn causes the printer to react with a "paper jammed" status. Any suggestions? ---------------------------------------------------------- Steven Frank | Tel: 714-725-2244 Dept. of Ecology and | Fax: 714-725-2181 Evolutionary Biology | email: safrank@uci.edu Univ. of California | bitnt: safrank@uci.bitnet Irvine, CA 92717 |
From: steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank) Subject: NeXT printer: Paper does not come out the other end Message-ID: <2BBF785B.29477@news.service.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 5 Apr 93 00:07:55 GMT There are a set of cylindrical paper feeders above the output tray of the NeXT printer that pull the paper out of the printer and into the output tray. These cylinders spin during printing in order to pull the paper through the printer. I have a printer that works well except that the cylinders no longer spin. This causes the paper to stick in the printer rather than coming all the way through, which in turn causes the printer to react with a "paper jammed" status. Any suggestions? ---------------------------------------------------------- Steven Frank | Tel: 714-725-2244 Dept. of Ecology and | Fax: 714-725-2181 Evolutionary Biology | email: safrank@uci.edu Univ. of California | bitnt: safrank@uci.bitnet Irvine, CA 92717 |
From: steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank) Subject: NeXT printer: Paper does not come out the other end Message-ID: <2BBF788F.29514@news.service.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 5 Apr 93 00:08:47 GMT There are a set of cylindrical paper feeders above the output tray of the NeXT printer that pull the paper out of the printer and into the output tray. These cylinders spin during printing in order to pull the paper through the printer. I have a printer that works well except that the cylinders no longer spin. This causes the paper to stick in the printer rather than coming all the way through, which in turn causes the printer to react with a "paper jammed" status. Any suggestions? ---------------------------------------------------------- Steven Frank | Tel: 714-725-2244 Dept. of Ecology and | Fax: 714-725-2181 Evolutionary Biology | email: safrank@uci.edu Univ. of California | bitnt: safrank@uci.bitnet Irvine, CA 92717 |
From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Sighting on CNN Date: 5 Apr 1993 00:15:10 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pntmeINN3d2@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Did you notice the color NeXT on CNN's new "The Tools of Business" ad? It is a desktop fly-by of calculators, computers, and TVs including a PowerBook if I'm not mistaken. -- Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2313 wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <1993Apr4.132755.22494@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Agnus' Home, Leonberg/Warmbronn, Germany References: <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 13:27:55 GMT Michael Glenn (fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu) wrote: > I've twice before mentioned how tar/gzip seems to be better than Squash. Sometimes "Squash" is better, sometimes "tar/gzip" is better. All depends on the file(s) to compress. > -rw-rw-r-- 1 fermat 208843 Apr 1 02:15 SimonSays_Manual.squfold > -rw-rw-r-- 1 fermat 191322 Apr 1 02:20 SimonSays_Manual.tar.z > For those who make Squash, it DOES NOT have the best compression. Then look at this: The "Star Trek: The Next Generation Program Guide", found on uunet, more than 14 meg uncompressed PostScript code. size date name description ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6. 3994044 Apr 4 14:08 ST_TNG.tar.Z (gnu tar, standard compress) 5. 3394538 Apr 4 14:33 ST_TNG.tar.F (gnu tar, freeze) 4. 3301130 Apr 4 14:38 ST_TNG.lha (lha with "lh5" compression) 3. 3132204 Apr 4 14:21 ST_TNG.tar.z (gnu tar, gnu zip) 2. 3119894 Apr 4 14:20 ST_TNG.zip (pk zip) 1. 2468188 Apr 4 14:37 ST_TNG.squfold (Squash) Please notice the difference between "tar/gzip" and "Squash": more than 664 000 bytes = more than 20%! Matthias -- ** Matthias Zepf, Riegelaeckerstrasse 27, 71 229 Leonberg, Germany ** ** +49 7152 41917 Email: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (use NeXTmail!) **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 02:04:28 GMT Message-ID: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <1993Apr4.132755.22494@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Sender: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana [I'm basically for gzip. I consider Squash to be a cute novelty item, nothing more. I would never *pay* for a compressor/decompressor program since so many perfectly useful ones (which are used by FAR more people than Squash ever will be) have been out and about in PD or CopyLefted forums for some time now.] Matthias Zepf wrote: > Please notice the difference between "tar/gzip" and "Squash": > more than 664 000 bytes = more than 20%! What level of compression and version of gzip did you use? What level of compression on pk zip did you use? Also, this is just one file (one file that I, for one, have never seen nor will ever download). A comparison based on a wider variety of files (such as what was presented earlier in this thread) is much closer to determining a real-world solution than a test based on any one particular file. Also, compressor output is not the only criteria by which people choose compressors. My take on the whole Squash versus gzip (or almost any freely-available compressor program): Although Squash might be better at this particular file, I think the lack of substantial overall difference in compression (when comparing Squash to gzip) will strike people more than any one instance of Squash beating gzip. That is, I feel the compression factors of both gzip and Squash are similar enough to cause people to consider other criteria to determine a winner. I think other criteria will be compression time, cost, availability, portability and ease of access. Squash loses on most of these. Although Squash compresses well, as does gzip, Squash takes a considerable amount of time to actually compress things using it's best compression; gzip doesn't tend to take that long. Squash has a pretty front-end, gzip does not (but that doesn't mean Squash is more or less functional than gzip; I'd say this depends on the camp you prefer: GUI or CLI; both have their advantages and disadvantages). Squash runs on only one platform: NeXTSTEP whereas gzip runs on a wide variety of platforms (this in itself made Squash nothing more than a novelty item in my view). On the price issue, gzip wins hands-down; it's free whereas Squash costs quite a bit of money considering it doesn't do significantly better than gzip overall. Updates are coming out much more frequently for gzip than Squash and (for those that care) gzip is licensed such that all of it's compression algorithms can be used in one's own programs without paying any fees for licensing (in fact one of the goals of gzip is to externalize the compression algorithms in a library file so that other people can link in the gzip compression); I don't know for sure, but I would doubt that Squash's algorithms are so freely available. One has free access to the source code for gzip (assuming one has access to the GNU ftp archives or source code from someone else). To get source code for Squash, I suppose you could disassemble the program, but that's hardly the same result as getting C source code. I'd say gzip is preferred in the UNIX world because few UNIX-heads tend to be a more technical lot, caring less about front-ends (even to the point of complaining about lack of power and interface-ability via a lack of a CLI interface). As for the general public, the much wider distribution of gzip will probably make beginners (who might not even know they're using gzip when they type "compress" or use some program that calls upon "compress") look at Squash and think it's basically some weird compression scheme that is a pain in the butt to integrate to their knowledge (a.k.a., just 'one-more-thing' the beginner has to learn about using the computer) because it's incompatible with what they currently use. -- -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney) Subject: Re: Uploads to FTP sites Message-ID: <C4u8pz.5xo@research.canon.oz.au> Sender: news@research.canon.oz.au Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia References: <1993Mar31.014454.22155@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1993Mar31.075857.2152@metrosoft.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 04:05:58 GMT gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: >spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: >> Again, I disagree, tar and compress are on all systems. gzip is not >> (someone correct me?). Squash is a commercial product.... >I really, really, really agree with this. A truly standard format that >all people can deal with is better than squeezing that last bit out via >compression. More bandwidth has been spent helping people figure out >what "squashed" files are than was saved by the compressions. Not to >mention the delays and frustrations involved. Keep in mind that 'gzip' was written because the LZW algorithm used by 'compress' is patent encumbered. The fact that it gets better compression is a nice aside, but is not the primary motivation behind using it. Unisys (the owners of the patent) have so far elected not to pursue software implementations of the patented algorithm, and since compress is not identical to LZW it may not even apply. But if they were to change their minds and pursue the matter, it could be very nasty; hence the change to gzip, which is unencumbered. See the README in the compress distribution for more information. regards, Graham -- Graham Stoney Canon Information Systems Research Australia (whew!) Ph: + 61 2 805 2909
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <1993Apr5.025944.3347@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 5 Apr 93 02:59:44 GMT References: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. Could someone email me and tell me where gzip "lives"? Thanks. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Games In-Reply-To: jspears@weston.com's message of Sat, 3 Apr 1993 21:26:32 GMT To: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Apr4115338@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Apr3.212632.391@weston.com> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 15:53:38 GMT In article <1993Apr3.212632.391@weston.com> jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) writes: What is the best Single player NeXT game that is available? Crossfire. This is also the best networked multi-player game. As a matter of fact it is arguably one of the best computer games -- period. Crossfire is a fully graphical multi-player networked real-time nethack type game. Its worst drawback for NeXT users is that it currently requires an X server. Fortunately there are a few free ones. Find a NeXT compilable source of the latest release on cs.orst.edu in pub/next/submissions. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: rtf to ascii Message-ID: <C5009L.AK@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Apr3.041418.2534@talus.com> <1173@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 06:48:43 GMT glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: >ed@talus.com writes >> > > If I receive a rtf file and am remotely logged into my next, how can I >> > > convert the rtf to ascii to read it via telnet? >> > > >> > try "/usr/bin/rtf-ascii filename | more". >> >> I can't find that on my disk. Does everybody have that ? >On my system, there's a program called: >/usr/lib/indexing/rtf-ascii In 2.x, it's in /usr/lib/indexing. Somehow it has migrated to /usr/bin in 3.0. (haven't checked 3.1 yet... will see next week) I guess NeXT thought it was an important utility to be relegated to 'in-default-path' status... -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers Message-ID: <1pojdpINNqmo@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: 5 Apr 93 06:26:01 GMT Article-I.D.: skeena.1pojdpINNqmo References: <1pkro8$r4q@umd5.umd.edu> <1993Apr4.002909.2924@hot.com> Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada In article <1993Apr4.002909.2924@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: >How about stickers for PCs that say: > >"My other computer is a NeXT." > >Then again, this doesn't have the appeal that it would have a year >ago. I'd like "NeXTSTEP: Live free or die" (Apologoies to the "UNIX: Live free or die" people.) (does live free or die mean I'll die trying, or does it mean that if you don't use it, I'll kill you!?) RWW. -- Robert W. "What!?! I've-been-tying-my-shoelaces-backwards-all-my-life?" Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: michel@unomain.teaser.com Subject: NeXT-FAQ ? Message-ID: <1993Apr1.142411.21165@unomain.uucp> Sender: michel@unomain.uucp (Michel Gutierrez) Organization: Matra Communication Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 14:24:11 GMT Who could tell me where I can find NeXT FAQ ? I could get them from news.news.answers a few months ago but there is nothing now. Thanks -- ---------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: michel@unomain.teaser.com Phone: (33)1.34.60.87.48 Fax: (33)1.34.60.73.27
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <C50n4K.Bwy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Computing Center References: <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <1993Apr4.132755.22494@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 15:02:43 GMT In article <1993Apr4.132755.22494@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) writes: > >Then look at this: The "Star Trek: The Next Generation Program Guide", >found on uunet, more than 14 meg uncompressed PostScript code. > > size date name description >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >6. 3994044 Apr 4 14:08 ST_TNG.tar.Z (gnu tar, standard compress) >5. 3394538 Apr 4 14:33 ST_TNG.tar.F (gnu tar, freeze) >4. 3301130 Apr 4 14:38 ST_TNG.lha (lha with "lh5" compression) >3. 3132204 Apr 4 14:21 ST_TNG.tar.z (gnu tar, gnu zip) >2. 3119894 Apr 4 14:20 ST_TNG.zip (pk zip) >1. 2468188 Apr 4 14:37 ST_TNG.squfold (Squash) > >Please notice the difference between "tar/gzip" and "Squash": >more than 664 000 bytes = more than 20%! > Was that gzip -9 or just gzip? Rob -- | Robert Davis davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu | "Look up, Hannah. Look up." NeXT Mail accepted --
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Exporting EPS Files into MS-Word Message-ID: <12711@news.duke.edu> Date: 5 Apr 93 17:57:22 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu I've just had the wonderful experience of exporting graphics files into Microsoft Word 5.1/Macintosh today. I had some graphs and tables I had done in Improv/Presentation Builder that I passed through Appsoft Draw for some customization work before exporting them into both .eps and .tiff versions. Word coughed and gagged on the .eps files, saying they were not true PostScript graphics files. When importing the .tiff files, they worked okay, but printed miserably and looked like a bunch of screen grabs instead of PostScript. Any thoughts? We've got a project deadline for tomorrow and would hate to have to cut and paste them manually. Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: giltner@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Jon Giltner) Subject: Printing Inconsistancies Message-ID: <giltner.734029750@pogo.colorado.edu> Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 17:09:10 GMT I am having a problem getting PostScript from PPD files to be included correctly when printing from an app. There seems to be something inconsistant, because when I spool to a printer, the PPD file PostScript does not get included properly, but when I save to a file (choose Save... from the Print... pannel), the saved file *does* have the correct PostScript. Here are the specifics: I am printing to a remote HP IIISi PostScript printer which can do duplex. I stop the queue (lpc stop hpiiisi) so that I can examine jobs printed there. I print twice to the queue, once using the default Options..., the second time selecting DuplexNoTumble from Options... Here is a diff of the two files that get spooled: pogo.colorado.edu:31# diff df* 4c4 < %%CreationDate: Mon Apr 5 11:01:51 1993 --- > %%CreationDate: Mon Apr 5 11:02:01 1993 201c201 < %%Feature: *Duplex None --- > %%Feature: *Duplex DuplexNoTumble Neither contains any PostScript to set the duplex mode on the printer (and in fact, either job will simply use whatever the printer is set to by default). BUT, if instead of spooling to a printer I save to a file (using Save... from the print pannel), here are the diffs of the two files: pogo.colorado.edu:32# diff /tmp/none.ps /tmp/dup.ps 4c4 < %%CreationDate: Mon Apr 5 11:02:25 1993 --- > %%CreationDate: Mon Apr 5 11:02:51 1993 209c209 < %%BeginFeature: *Duplex None --- > %%BeginFeature: *Duplex DuplexNoTumble 211c211 < false statusdict /setduplexmode get exec false statusdict /settumble get exec --- > true statusdict /setduplexmode get exec false statusdict /settumble get exec Notice the the "none" has the PostScript code included from the PPD file to turn duplex off, and the other has code to turn duplex on. How come the PPD file isn't used properly when the job is actually spooled to a printer? -- Jon Giltner Computing and Network Services University of Colorado (giltner@spot.Colorado.EDU) Boulder
From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer: Paper does not come out the other end Date: 5 Apr 1993 19:03:57 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ppvqt$lav@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <2BBF788F.29514@news.service.uci.edu> Have they actually stopped turning? Sometimes they just get slippery and all you have to do is rub them down good with a clean damp rag. -Bill
From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT printer: Paper does not come out the other end Date: 5 Apr 1993 19:03:47 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ppvqj$lau@hamblin.math.byu.edu> References: <2BBF788F.29514@news.service.uci.edu> Have they actually stopped turning? Sometimes they just get slippery and all you have to do is rub them down good with a clean damp rag. -Bill
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,tamu.general Subject: Trying to install perl. Date: 5 Apr 1993 20:19:42 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pq48uINN4l6@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: perl, next I'm trying to install perl on my NeXTstation, but apparently I am doing something wrong. I accepted all the defaults suggested by the Configure script (hey, they looked good to me) after selecting "next" as the os option. Does anyone out there have any tips or suggestions? The version I have is perl-4.036; I ftp'd this from prep.ai.mit.edu. -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov (Robert F. Cahalan) Subject: Re: DarkForest and Desktop?? Message-ID: <C50wxM.16p@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA References: <1phqtg$3js@access.digex.net> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 18:34:31 GMT In article <1phqtg$3js@access.digex.net> g-rempe@access.digex.com (Glenn Rempe) writes: > Hi everyone, > > I have heard a lot recently about the programs DarkForest and Desktop but > I am unable to find them on the normal archive sites at sonata and orst. > Could someone please email me with a pointer to where they can be found, > or if they are no longer available at the archive sites please NeXTMAIL me > a copy. I know this same question was asked recently, but I forgot what > was said. :-( > > Thanks in advance, > > Glenn > g-rempe@access.digex.com (NeXTMAIL) Grab DarkForest from ftp.cica.indiana.edu -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .Dr. Robert F. Cahalan (Bob)...#..Laboratory for Atmospheres...... .cahalan@clouds.gsfc.nasa.gov..#..NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center .*** NeXTMail accepted ***.....#..Greenbelt, MD 20771............. .FAX: (301) 286-1627...........#..voice: (301) 286-4276........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) Subject: Re: The mother of all hardware announcements... In-Reply-To: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca's message of Sun, 4 Apr 1993 17:26:20 GMT Message-ID: <FISCHER.93Apr5233741@thor.iesd.auc.dk> Sender: news@iesd.auc.dk (UseNet News) Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University References: <1993Apr4.172620.11877@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: 05 Apr 1993 22:37:41 GMT >>>>> "Darcy" == Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) Darcy> Comment? We never thought NeXT would do it either, And so? You can't compare the two. 2 in 5 UNIX workstations shipped are Sun's. They are selling hardware for > $1 billion/quarter. Darcy> but why buy a SPARC when you can get more options, similar Darcy> performance, and way more software on a PC? Because you can't. Darcy> I can't think of one... Oh. Darcy> THIS IS NOT A LATE APRIL FOOL'S JOKE. I sure can spot the fool. /Lars -- Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things. -- Calvin
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Lead article in Computer Language (April): NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <1174@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 5 Apr 93 01:50:53 GMT Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy The April issue of Computer Language magazine has a screen shot of NeXTSTEP 3.0 on the cover under the headling "1992's BEST TOOLS". It is also the lead article in the magazine, starting on page 17. It's written by Thomas Murphy of their reviews department. It's not a particularly visionary article, but it's pretty complimentary and it's good press in general. Murphy also give kudos to the Garfinkel/ Mahoney book on NeXTSTEP. They screwed up the phone numbers in the box at the end, switching Springer-Verlag's 800 number and NeXT's 800 number, although it's pretty obvious, since they list them as 800-TRY-NEXT and 800-SPRINGER. Very unfortunately, the headline right under the NeXTSTEP screen shot is "When will it ship? Defect Management". It turns out to have nothing at all to do with NeXTSTEP (it's a separate article), but it sure looks bad. I thought the article was wondering when NeXTSTEP was going to ship, and looking at its defects. Sigh. On the good side, the article also has nothing to do with the "1992's BEST TOOLS" headline, so you get some good with some bad :-) Along with Steve Jobs being on the cover of this month's Unix World, we're starting to see some actual press coverage, which is great. I think we should all write letters to the editors of these magazines to show support for having written about NeXT, so they'll do it again. Let them know that we're reading their magazines, that we notice these articles, and that it's an important product for us. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu (David Meyer) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <C50suy.2nz@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Apr5.025944.3347@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 17:06:34 GMT In article <1993Apr5.025944.3347@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: >Could someone email me and tell me where gzip "lives"? aeneas.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/gzip-1.0.7.tar.z Dave -- David M. Meyer Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu University of Virginia NeXTmail ok
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? Date: 5 Apr 1993 22:46:06 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pqcre$mtr@umd5.umd.edu> How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? The system I'm interested in has an Adaptec 1542B SCSI adapter, with an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro local bus video adapter. It is only ISI based, so my concern is that IO will be slow. However, the Gateway salesman said that the 1542B is actually faster than the local bus IDE controller (which sounds like a load to me). Thanks, Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <C4z623.1C6@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <SCOTT.93Apr4053535@nic.gac.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 19:56:26 GMT In article <SCOTT.93Apr4053535@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: > Actually ... to the best of my knowledge, the '486sx is simply an > artifical means of increasing Intel revenue. In the beginning, > rather than reduce the price (and thus the profits) of their '486 > line Intel decided to disable the floating point processor on some > chips and sell that as a cheaper sx version. The "floating point > coprocessor" is simply a '486 that takes over everything from the > sx chip, which is then no longer used - a $300 waste, in essence. > I'm not certain if they _still_ make sx's this way, but I've not > heard differently ... They don'tmake them that way anymore. The 486sx of today is a completly different die from the DX. The chip is smaller and dissipates a lot less heat. No only that the wafer has almost 2x as many chips so you get more chips per wafer which means less cost. > > This makes the mind wander into the future ... the Pentium is > supposed to be a RISC-like chip with a '586 emulation mode. So, The 486 uses a "RISC-like" core, ie. hardwired vs micorcode for quite a few operations. The Pentium is super scalar with a "RISC-like" core. > perhaps there will be a Pentium-sx (floating point disabled), and > also a Pentium-486 (the RISC mode is disabled and you can only run > '486 code on it), and of course Pentium-486sx (disable the floating > point in the bargain). Anything for a buck, I guess ... There is *NO* RISC mode. If you want to be technical all CISC processors are emulating the instruction sets since they are mostly microcode. "RISC-like" typically means mostly hardwired with most insrtuctions as close to one cycle as possible. This usually means a pipeline P that is 5 =< P =< 10 with 10 being the maximum reasonable depth for a pipeline that is usable. > > Later, > -- > scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> > 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime! -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What_if_something_breaks_on_my_Next_equip? Date: 6 Apr 1993 01:54:26 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pqnsi$a9m@menudo.uh.edu> I did not miss much of NeXT related discussion in the past couple of months, but I am still not clear about the following: I have a Nextstation Turbo and a Next Printer. Both are a year old (and I love them both, especially the printer), and out of warranty. I don't have any equip./hardware service agreement with NeXT. Now, what recourse will I have if my MegaPixel monitor or keyboard (non ADB) or mouse or the printer should fail? will anybody sell replacements? Have there been any announcements in this regard? I have read that Motorola might offer hardware support but I thought this was only for folks who had some hardware service contract with NeXT. -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: imdat@imdatki.toppoint.de (Imdat Solak) Subject: Re: Grabbing a tear-off menu or any menu at all Message-ID: <DSTApr4.212405.456@imdatki.toppoint.de> Sender: imdat@imdatki.toppoint.de Organization: Fidel & Co. Habanna References: <1993Apr1.221305.18628@worldbank.org> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 21:24:04 MET In article <1993Apr1.221305.18628@worldbank.org> masud@invnext.worldbank.org (masud cader) writes: > I am trying to write some documents which include "grabbed" shots of my > NeXTSTEP menus. However, I have noticed that I cannot grab the menu of my > application as a selection because Grab is at the forefront. The only > (somewhat time consuming) thing to do, seems to grab the window, then cut the > menus out of that... Is this really the only way to do it? > > Thanks for the help...let's hope that there is a snap for the NeXT...saves us > all from grabbing :-) > you should use "Grab Window" `cause Menu`s are windows. You'll get a pointing finger with which you choose the window to grab. -- +-----------------Imdat Solak - Registered NeXTdeveloper------------+ | imdat@imdatki.toppoint.de * Voice: ++49 4845-1429 | +---Torenstoff 6 * W-2251 Ostenfeld * Germany * NeXTmail welcome!---+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: NEW: Don't SLIP out without SLIPCommander! Version 3.0. Message-ID: <1993Apr6.044901.17462@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 04:49:01 GMT Hi, It's currently on cs.orst.edu under pub/next/submissions. I'm having trouble getting it on sonata and nova. Gary Welcome to SLIPCommander3.0! This is a major upgrade to the previous SLIPCommander 2.0+. SLIPCommander contains lots of great ideas that you would ever think of doing over your SLIP connection. Check this out if you are a serious SLIPper. ================= From About.rtfd =================================== SLIPCommander.app is a NeXTStep Interface to the SLIP commands provided in the TransSys DialUpIP SLIP package by Louis A. Mamakos. Installation of the latest SLIP_v1.pkg version 920904 is highly recommended. SLIPCommander simplifies the SLIP connection/disconnection process as well as 'rlogin' and retrieving mails from multiple remote sites. A set of very informative panel buttons are used to provide a NeXTStep looks & feels Interface. All the features are further enhanced by a built-in CRON that can be set to download mails and news while you are away from your NeXT. And the Backup Plan creates a Mirroring disk of your local NeXT on your SLIP connected remote account. Multiple sites mail retrieval and rlogin are no longer a hassle. If you use SLIP connection a lot, you will find SLIPCommander a very sexy companion along with your NeXT. So, don't SLIP out without SLIPCommander. Check Sum ========= nextbaby> ls -l SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar -rw-r--r-- 1 garyc 548864 Apr 5 22:24 SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar nextbaby> sum SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar 44325 536 What's in the SLIPCommander? ============================ * Toggle SLIP with connection/disconnection button. * NeXTMails are always just a 'click' away. * Auto-redial within time-out on a busy phone line . * Monitoring your SLIP connection status. * Toll-Saver clock showing the total connection time. * Retrieving Mails from multiple accounts on remote sites. * Need more dock space? Automatically 'rlogin' into remote sites using Stuart. * Backup plan for remote to/from local storage backups (Disk Mirroring). * CRON clock, a silent worker, which wakes up at a specific time to do things such as retrieving mails, downloading news, ftp, backups, synchronize system clock,...,etc. Version 3.0 Improvements & bug fixed ==================================== * Multiple sites Mail retrieval. * Multiple sites remote login using Stuart. * Multiple sites Backup plan. * 24 hours CRON setup. * One-time easy Installation. Everything's now packed in a NeXTStep Package. * Info animation and self stamped E-Mail suggestion. * SLIP BringUp/ShutDown Report Panel. * Smart Bi-Colored log view autodetect a mono/color NeXT. * Setup SLIP ENABLECALL or DISABLECALL in preference. Version 2.2 Improvements & bug fixed ==================================== * SLIPCommander now displays the total connection time on its application icon. * A slightly changed and beautified SLIPCommander Icons. Version 2.1 Improvements & bug fixed ==================================== * SLIPCommander now saves the open windows' locations, so you may go ahead and pick a good spots for Commander Window and Inspector Panel. * New command 'Commander' added to the main menu that helps you get back the commander window. * The SLIP status display bug has been fixed. Version 2.0 Improvements ======================== * Yes, SLIPCommander is now 3.0 color and Help ready. * SLIPCommander is more stable and responsive than ever due to a new fine-tuned mechanism of message passing. * A much easier way to customize your personal preference. The root password is no longer needed. A configurable path for finding SLIP commands. * New-Mails notification. (you no longer need to watch the logwindow closely for mail arrival.) * An improved Commander window that controls and displays SLIP activities with a set of colorful icon buttons. * A memory saver, bi-colored logwindow. * Elimination of the $(HOME)/.SlipCommander file. Preference are now store in the Defaults database. -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,andi.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: ANDI in Chicago, April 6, 1993; 11am-5pm Message-ID: <C514rF.6ps@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,NeXTSTEP,Chicago Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 21:23:38 GMT If you are in the Chicago area, I would like to invite you to stop by and say hello. Nothing fancy; just an informal open house tomorrow, April 6, 1993 from 11am-5pm. Here is where I will be: Bill Strehl Sheraton Chicago Hotel and Towers 301 East North Water Chicago, IL 60611 phone: 312-464-1000 --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? Message-ID: <1993Apr6.042222.7931@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1pqcre$mtr@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 04:22:22 GMT In article <1pqcre$mtr@umd5.umd.edu> rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: > > How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? The system I'm interested > in has an Adaptec 1542B SCSI adapter, with an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro > local bus video adapter. It is only ISI based, so my concern is that IO > will be slow. However, the Gateway salesman said that the 1542B is actually > faster than the local bus IDE controller (which sounds like a load to me). Doesn't sound like a load to me. IDE sucks, and the Adaptec is a very nice card (for ISA). BTW, the 1542B is discontinued, having been superceded by the 1542C. The 1542C requires PR2 or later. You might consider getting a 1540C (sans floppy controller) instead because NS doesn't yet support the 1542's floppy controller. The ISA bus's faults are not limited to the cards which can be placed therein. They can only address 16MB of RAM directly. Anything above that must be written into the lower 16, and then copied to its destination by the CPU. :-( I would buy the Intel Ethernet card over the SMC card. They both work fine but the Intel card is faster, and a few dollars less. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: system@arsenal.com (captain) Subject: Bumper Sticker Ideas Message-ID: <yeak2B1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 03:38:33 GMT Howdy, Maybe we should compile some bumper sticker ideas and get a few thousand printed out for Expo.. hmm.. On the spur of the moment.. "Just Say No" <picture with NT crossed out in circle> or.. "Long Live NeXTSTEP!" <gleaming logo> or perhaps yet.. "I took the NeXTSTEP" <all black with white letters and NeXT logo with blue light behind it> my favorite.. "Bill Gates wears superman underoos..." Later! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) In-Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 02:04:28 GMT Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Apr6125416@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: news@dannug.dk (Usenet news owner) Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group References: <C4snq3.845@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <1993Apr4.132755.22494@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 11:54:16 GMT >>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 1993 02:04:28 GMT, jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) said: J.B.> Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu J.B.> doesn't do significantly better than gzip overall. Updates are coming J.B.> out much more frequently for gzip than Squash and (for those that J.B.> care) gzip is licensed such that all of it's compression algorithms J.B.> can be used in one's own programs without paying any fees for J.B.> licensing (in fact one of the goals of gzip is to externalize the J.B.> compression algorithms in a library file so that other people can link J.B.> in the gzip compression); I don't know for sure, but I would doubt J.B.> that Squash's algorithms are so freely available. One has free access J.B.> to the source code for gzip (assuming one has access to the GNU ftp J.B.> archives or source code from someone else). To get source code for J.B.> Squash, I suppose you could disassemble the program, but that's hardly J.B.> the same result as getting C source code. I could not agree more. Once you have seen Squash break on trying to decompress you archive of sourcecode, then you would wish the algorithm was public!! I love the frontend to Squash, but I also wan't a regualar Unix frontend like gzip, so why don't anyone make a Squash-like frontend to gzip and let us have the best from both products at once?? Regards, Karsten.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <1993Apr6.071315.29046@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 07:13:15 GMT BTW I dropped gzip into my /usr/ucb directory as "compresss", "uncompress" and "zcat". Works just fine, especially with the Workspace Manager's "compress" feature. Highly recommended. Volker -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,misc.jobs.offered Subject: 20 NeXT programmers wanted Date: 6 Apr 1993 14:36:00 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ps4ggINNqnn@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: NeXT, Objective C 20 NeXT programmers wanted, to write Objective C. These are contract jobs, 6 months to 2 years. Contact: Charles Nevels Champlain & Associates phone (713)599-8984 fax (713)493-5260 DO NOT CONTACT ME! -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: rs05@gte.com (Russ Sasnett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Exporting EPS Files into MS-Word Message-ID: <9589@ceylon.gte.com> Date: 6 Apr 93 15:29:22 GMT References: <12711@news.duke.edu> Sender: news@ceylon.gte.com Followup-To: rs05@gte.com Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA > I've just had the wonderful experience of exporting graphics files > into Microsoft Word 5.1/Macintosh today. I had some graphs and > tables I had done in Improv/Presentation Builder that I passed > through Appsoft Draw for some customization work before exporting > them into both .eps and .tiff versions. > > Word coughed and gagged on the .eps files, saying they were not > true PostScript graphics files. aren't standards great?? I've just gone through the same pain-fest, but with slightly more luck. first, Word (and many other programs that claim to eat EPS) will only eat the EPS generated by certain other programs. Adobe Photoshop is crystal-clear in saying that it will only accept EPS generated by Illustrator and I believe one other program. You can't expect a Mac or PC program to have a full-blown interpreter inside it (that's why you bought a NeXT, right?); so the EPS 'parsers' just look for signature elements (like %%Creator, I'll wager) generated by programs they understand, and then suck in the hex data manually. Word 5.0 says nothing (that I can find) about what kind of EPS it expects to eat. But I did have luck getting pbmplus-generated EPS to be recognized by Word. Of course it gagged on the EPS generated by Create. Word is much better about eating NeXT TIFFs. But as you discovered, quality is near abysmal. I had my color/grayscale TIFFs coming out as negatives, or as bilevel (pure black and pure white). The print panel has a button to select "Color/Gray" or "Black and White". Neither works well to my tastes. What worked for me was using pbmplus to convert from TIFF to EPS, and then doing a 'hidden text' import of the EPS into Word. After converting the file to EPS, move it onto the Mac (using ASCII mode ftp or something equivalent). Then using ResEdit, do a "Get File Info ..." and change the file's type to "EPSF". Back in Word, under Tools/Preferences, turn on the 'Show Hidden Text' option. Then do a File/Open..., using the "All Readable Files" option. Open your EPSF file. It will take quite a while, saying "Converting EPS file ..." for many minutes (a running percentage is shown). If all goes well, you'll a new untitled document with a big blank EPS graphic labelled as such. Select it by clicking on it with the mouse; then do a "Copy" to the Clipboard. Now open up the original document, set the insertion point, and do a "Paste". Word should reserve the right amount of space for you in the document. You can scale it as usual, by selecting the graphic, then holding down the Shift key, and moving the bottom right control point. The graphic should now print out just as it was on the NeXT. Good luck! --Russ rs05@gte.com
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,tamu.general Subject: Trying to install perl. (SOLVED...I hope.) Date: 6 Apr 1993 17:18:21 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pse0tINNhgd@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: perl, next First off I would like to apologize for the vagueness of my original post. As one respondent pointed out, "doing something wrong" is not a lot to go on. The problem was a failure of the self test when runnung 'make test', specifically in the groups.t file. Thanks to Anthony Heading for solving my problem. The trouble resulted from NeXT having the header files split up between two directories, namely /usr/include/bsd and /usr/include/ansi. The solution is to create a single directory with links to all the files in the other two directories and the tell the Configure script to look there for the include files. I did this and reran Configure and make, and all seemed to go well. I think (hope) perl is working now. -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.mach From: emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy) Subject: (?) error which (possibly?) caused Stuart to crash Message-ID: <1993Apr6.173852.22887@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 17:38:52 GMT howdy. i was working in Stuart (terminal emulator) yesterday when i crashed (*pouf* and it was gone). when i opened up the console, there were many (error?) messages which read, Apr 6 12:27:14 nextimage mach: zs1: recv buffer overrun it had been repeated 25 times in about 7 minutes (of course the timestamp varied from message to message). i do not have any NeXT technical documentation, and what i do have doesn't talk about error messages at all. note: "nextimage" was the name of the system on which i was working. this particular system has acted strangely in the past. any comment regarding the above situation welcome. ed murphy p.s. just to make it clear, i am not suggesting that Stuart cause this message. i am just trying to discern what it means.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu (David Meyer) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <C52qqE.253@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Apr6.071315.29046@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 18:15:50 GMT In article <1993Apr6.071315.29046@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: >BTW I dropped gzip into my /usr/ucb directory as "compresss", "uncompress" >and "zcat". Works just fine, especially with the Workspace Manager's >"compress" feature. Highly recommended. This is a bad idea. I agree that replacing uncompress and zcat is just fine (in fact I've done it), but by replacing compress you will make your NeXTmail (and anything else that uses /usr/ucb/compress) unreadable except by those people who have gzip. Dave -- David M. Meyer Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu University of Virginia NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffz@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (JeffZ) Subject: SLIP...help! Message-ID: <DZFi2B3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> Sender: news@cybernet.cse.fau.edu Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 01:43:36 GMT I am trying to get a SLIP connection running on my NeXT with no luck. I guess I just don't have the experience with Unix to figure out where exactly to kick it to make it work. Anyone have any experiences/tips they would be willing to share with me? Am I going to be better off going with Teleconnect from Marble? Am I just making this a lot harder than it really is? Jeff
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What_if_something_breaks_on_my_Next_equip? Date: 6 Apr 1993 18:37:23 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1psil3INNa8t@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1pqnsi$a9m@menudo.uh.edu> In article <1pqnsi$a9m@menudo.uh.edu> rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) writes: > >I did not miss much of NeXT related discussion in the past couple of months, >but I am still not clear about the following: > > I have a Nextstation Turbo and a Next Printer. Both are a year old (and > Now, what recourse will I have if my MegaPixel monitor or keyboard (non >ADB) or mouse or the printer should fail? will anybody sell replacements? Have >there been any announcements in this regard? >-- >Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu NeXT, Inc. is required by federal law to service and support existing NeXT hardware for the next five (5) years. Therefore, if something goes wrong between now and Feb. 1998, NeXT will fix it. I believe NeXT is still offering extended warranties, so if it were me, I would call 1-800-848-NeXT and ask how to get a 1yr extended warranty. I would then purchase a 1 year warranty every year until 1998. Even if NeXT WERE making hardware, I would still buy the extended warranties. Better safe than sorry. The warranty for a NeXT system is roughly $400/year. Pretty cheap consider the protection you get.. Eric Hermanson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <1993Apr6.072149.15502@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Agnus' Home, Leonberg/Warmbronn, Germany References: <C50n4K.Bwy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 07:21:49 GMT Robert Davis (davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu) wrote: >> 3. 3132204 Apr 4 14:21 ST_TNG.tar.z (gnu tar, gnu zip) >> 1. 2468188 Apr 4 14:37 ST_TNG.squfold (Squash) > Was that gzip -9 or just gzip? It was "gzip -5" (default). "gzip -9" makes the result slightly better, but it does not reach Squash's result. 3018691 Apr 6 08:09 ST_TNG.tar.z (gnu tar, gnu zip -9) Matthias -- ** Matthias Zepf, Riegelaeckerstrasse 27, 71 229 Leonberg, Germany ** ** +49 7152 41917 Email: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (use NeXTmail!) **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <1993Apr6.074230.15579@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Agnus' Home, Leonberg/Warmbronn, Germany References: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 07:42:30 GMT J.B. Nicholson-Owens (jeffo@uiuc.edu) wrote: > Squash runs on only one platform: NeXTSTEP whereas gzip runs on a wide > variety of platforms (this in itself made Squash nothing more than a > novelty item in my view). I agree with you. "gzip" has a lot of advantages over "Squash" but was this really our subject? Someone wrote gzip has the better compression algorithm and gave us the proof. Then, I told him (and you) that this is not true for all files and gave him another proof. My experience is that sometimes gzip is slightly better than Squash and often Squash is much better than gzip. I not bought Squash because of its good compression but because its ability to backup folders to floppy disks. The very good compression was a nice side effect for me. My wish is that all people use state of the art compression instead this old and bad "compress". Both, Squash and gzip, have such a kind of compression. Lots of files on my harddisk are gnutar'ed and gzip'ed. I like gzip. And I like Squash. And I hate compress - the only thing is does is raising my phone bill. By the way, why didn't Agog port and release Squash for other platforms? Matthias -- ** Matthias Zepf, Riegelaeckerstrasse 27, 71 229 Leonberg, Germany ** ** +49 7152 41917 Email: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (use NeXTmail!) **
From: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Bumper Sticker Ideas Keywords: win-nt, bumper sticker, NWexpo Message-ID: <C52vBp.8o2@is.com> Date: 6 Apr 93 19:55:01 GMT References: <yeak2B1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: pclark@is.com (Pete Clark) Organization: Integrity Solutions, Inc. In article <yeak2B1w165w@arsenal.com> system@arsenal.com (captain) writes: > > Howdy, > > Maybe we should compile some bumper sticker ideas and > get a few thousand printed out for Expo.. hmm.. On the > spur of the moment.. > > "Just Say No" <picture with NT crossed out in circle> > Actually, I rather like the idea of just having the image from page 285 of the Inside Windows-NT book from Microsoft Press. If you haven't seen it, I won't spoil the surprise, but look closely at the letters. :-) Best, Pete Clark -- ********************************************************************* Pete Clark - Software Engineer | You know that way that Integrity Solutions, Inc. | you always are? pclark@is.com NeXTMail preferred | Don't be that way.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: NeXTOS and PPD files!?!?! Message-ID: <C52wEI.KL3@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 20:18:17 GMT I'm frustrated. I've just installed a Tek Phaser200i printer on our network and I'm having some problems. I have the correct PPD file and when I go to print a document I get the option of selecting a paper tray (upper or lower). This option comes directly from the ppd file. The problem is that NeXTSTEP does NOT insert the code for paper tray selection unless I save the postscript to disk with the selection of "Postscript for Chosen Printer". Is there a way to PRINT with "Postscript for Chosen Printer"???? It's a real pain to print to a file and lpr it every time! Thanks in advance and my apologies if this is a stupid question, Eric -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) In-Reply-To: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de's message of Tue, 6 Apr 93 07:13:15 GMT Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Apr6222429@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: news@dannug.dk (Usenet news owner) Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group References: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Apr6.071315.29046@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 21:24:29 GMT >>>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 93 07:13:15 GMT, vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) said: Volker> BTW I dropped gzip into my /usr/ucb directory as "compresss", "uncompress" Volker> and "zcat". Works just fine, especially with the Workspace Manager's Volker> "compress" feature. Highly recommended. NO!!! NOT highly recommended IF you are using NeXTMail. NeXTMail uses compress to compress the mail before delivering, and if the receiver has NOT installed gzip as uncompress, then he/she can not read the mail. It's a shame, that NeXTMail is not searching in it own app. dir after the compress utility before it is looking in /usr/ucb. Oh well. Otherwise I don't think there is any problems. Regards, Karsten
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Sun's Intel pricing Message-ID: <1993Apr6.212040.13007@venice.sedd.trw.com> Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 21:20:40 GMT For all of us who bemoan the pricing structure of NeXTstep FIP, here's how Sun is pricing their Intel offering. Strangely, the developer release is cheaper(!) than the end user kit! Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok) PRICING AND AVAILABILITY SunSoft's Solaris x86 product will ship in the following configurations: Solaris Desktop for the client desktop priced at $795 in single quantity. The package is designed to give the individual user the power of the enterprise though a single intuitive, easy-to-use desktop. It contains the Solaris system software including SunOS 5.0, ONC+ networking, multiprocessing, system and network administration, installation, security, the OpenWindows development environment, ToolTalk, graphics, Solaris LIVE! and the DeskSet. Solaris Workgroup Server for the small network of 50 users at $1,995 in single quantity. The package is designed to give a network of users access to print servers, file servers and networking servers, and exchange workgroup data and applications with one another. It includes all of the Solaris Desktop features and additional technologies such as server networking, naming services and remote system administration. Solaris Enterprise Server for thousands of users across the world priced at $5,995 in single quantity. This edition is the software engine for a global enterprise allowing for compute-intensive tasks, data transaction processing and high-performance multiprocessing. The product incorporates all of the Solaris Workgroup technologies and adds advanced system administration, commercial grade I/O security and enterprise-wide installation. Solaris Software Developer's Kit for software developers at $495 in single quantity. The product allows software developers to take full advantage of the Solaris environment to create next-generation applications. It includes the Solaris Desktop product, development tools, compilers and developer-specific documentation. Solaris Driver Developer's Kit for hardware developers at $195 in single quantity. This package is designed for hardware developers to create and test drivers to control their devices under the Solaris x86 environment. It consists of the Solaris Desktop and a suite of device-driver tools and documentation.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: aru@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Sri Ramkrishna) Subject: Help needed setting up sendmail/smail & b/cnews Message-ID: <C53332.5op@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 22:42:37 GMT First off, a BIG huge thanks to everybody out there who helped point me in the right direction for setting up a UUCP link! THANKS! Now I'm working on two more parts of the whole mess: mail and news. For mail I have been told I really want to use smail, that it's a lot easier to setup and maintain. Any experiences? Any help in setting it up? Any comparisons between smail and sendmail+ITA (?)? As for news, I've read that c-news is much better than b-news. Could anybody help in pointing me in the right direction here? Thanks for all the help! To reach me, mail to either: kareth@mystic.use.com towers!mystic!kareth@gator.rn.com shyoung@ucs.indiana.edu in that order. -dsm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Re: NEW: Don't SLIP out without SLIPCommander! Version 3.0. Message-ID: <1993Apr6.232814.3091@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA References: <1993Apr6.044901.17462@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 23:28:14 GMT Hi, A couple of you were having troubles unpack the tar file. Please note that SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar is a BINARY file, you need to switch to BIN mode in your ftp program. Please let me know if anybody has got it up and running without a problem. If you are still fighting for the error, drop me a mail and I'll NeXT-Mail it to you. :-) > > Check Sum > ========= > nextbaby> ls -l SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar > -rw-r--r-- 1 garyc 548864 Apr 5 22:24 SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar > nextbaby> sum SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar > 44325 536 -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) Subject: Daisy-chaining another printer on the NeXT Color Bj Message-ID: <9304070009.AA06500@alychne-nc.canon.com> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 00:07:31 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Does anyone know of any problems in this regard? We're having some strange problems when daisy-chaining another printer (a Canon CJ10) with the NeXT Color BJ. If we attempt to print to both printers at the same time (or at least have both printer drivers rendering at the same time) the Window Server will occasionally crash. Another strange problem is that if the "generic" SCSI driver "sg0" is open when the printer driver for the Color BJ attempts to access it, the driver correctly reports that the printer is offline/unavailable, but then never retries the job. Has anyone else had any experiences like this? Any workarounds? Please e-mail answers or comments to me and I will summarize to the group. (Please cc: me if you post as well, so I don't miss it.) Thanks! --- Subrata Sircar|ssircar@canon.com (NextMail ok)|Prophet & SPAMIT Charter Member Canon Information Systems and I do not share the same views on everything. "I'm just mad that I missed the sexual revolution." - me "Yes, but you dress much better as a result." - Mike
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/Intel Educational Pricing ? Date: 7 Apr 1993 00:32:13 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pt7ed$ft4@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Apr6.223618.16484@icaen.uiowa.edu> Has NeXT announced educational prices for NS/Intel, for both user and developer versions? What's taking them so long to decide/announce this? Can I expect the answers before NW Expo? -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Subject: bugfiler - where? Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Apr7002620@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: news@dannug.dk (Usenet news owner) Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group Distribution: comp Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 23:26:20 GMT Hi bugfiler is documented in man8, but I can't locate the binary. It sounds like a usefull system, so have anyone ever seen the program or know where I can get it?? Karsten.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: lam@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Lam) Subject: Re: NS/Intel Educational Pricing ? Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 01:38:57 GMT Message-ID: <C53B8x.I5J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Apr6.223618.16484@icaen.uiowa.edu> <1pt7ed$ft4@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >Has NeXT announced educational prices for NS/Intel, for both >user and developer versions? >What's taking them so long to decide/announce this? Well, I'd bet that they are looking at the other UN*X prices including Univel's UNIXWARE and SunSofts Solaris. Both are from big name corps and are probably going have their prices cut further. In anycase, NeXT is probably also looking at the radical pricing of other Intel OSes such as OS/2 and WIN/NT. Both have been shipping at low prices for both BETA and SDKs. $15 for the OS/2 2.1 BETA CDROM (plus shipping). That is some RADICAL PRICING COMPETITION. In otherwords, there is a big fight for the INTEL OS marketshare, and perhaps NeXT is waiting for the final pricing on it's competitors. Ken -- --- Ken Lam Network Administrator @ University of Charleston / Dept of Biology & Geology S.C. Space Grant Consortium (803)-792-4969 / FAX (803)-792-5446
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eric@sfu.ca (Eric Kolotyluk) Subject: Re: NEW: Don't SLIP out without SLIPCommander! Version 3.0. Message-ID: <1993Apr7.011318.18206@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada References: <1993Apr6.044901.17462@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 01:13:18 GMT In article <1993Apr6.044901.17462@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: > Hi, > > It's currently on cs.orst.edu under pub/next/submissions. I'm > having trouble getting it on sonata and nova. > > Gary > - I hate it when people announce something and it's not there :-( thorne:5# ftp cs.orst.edu Connected to cs.orst.edu. 220 lynx FTP server (Version $Revision: 15.15 $ $Date: 89/08/31 10:33:40 $) ready. Name (cs.orst.edu:root): anonymous 331 Guest login ok, send ident as password. Password: 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. ftp> cd next 550 next: No such file or directory. ftp> cd pub/next 200 CWD command okay. ftp> cd submissions 200 CWD command okay. ftp> bin 200 Type set to I. ftp> get SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar 200 PORT command okay. 550 SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar: No such file or directory. _____________________________________________________________________ Eric Kolotyluk Eric_Kolotyluk@sfu.ca Manager, Research and Education Systems +1 604 291-3014 phone School of Computing Science +1 604 291-3045 fax Simon Fraser University
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Bumper Sticker Ideas Message-ID: <1993Apr7.022648.23907@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 7 Apr 93 02:26:48 GMT References: <yeak2B1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. How about just slapping one of the BIG NeXT stickers on the back of the car? (like I did- If you ever see an ugly white car with a NeXT sticker on the back, it's me :) -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Dolphin Technologies Begins Large NeXTSTEP Project Message-ID: <1993Apr7.032210.387@dolphin.com> Keywords: Dolphin Technologies, NeXTSTEP, OPES, Sheriff, LASD, system integration Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 03:22:10 GMT Press Release Dolphin Technologies Inc. Begins OPES II Project Los Angeles County Sheriff Department Information Management System LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA, February 5, 1993. Dolphin Software, consulting group of Dolphin Technologies Inc., and a leading Systems Integration Group developed a partnership with the intent of pursuing leading edge NeXT Computer software development. In late January, 1993, Dolphin Software and a third party began development of the OPES II project at the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department. The system will consist of an integrated database built on ORACLE and will track information such as citizen commendations and complaints, internal affairs investigations, use of force, officer involved shootings, civil litigations, discovery motions, citizens comments and various other factors associated with the performance of Sheriff's Department personnel. Operating on powerful NeXT workstations, users will be able to perform complex queries using sophisticated reporting and query tools to produce timely, useful, consistent and accurate information. Scheduled for completion this autumn, the system will enhance the Los Angeles Sheriff Department's management oversight functions by providing a department-wide integrated database for executive and management users, replacing islands of computerization and written les. "This system will help us ensure the delivery of the highest quality law enforcement services to the community and in defending against spurious lawsuits against our personnel," said Sherman Block, Sheriff of Los Angeles County. "OPES II is an excellent project for Dolphin Software. We hope that many projects will follow from this work in the future," stated Norman B. Furlong, Principal of Dolphin Technologies Inc. "Our partnership and the development of the OPES II project are both strong indications that NeXT continues to be an excellent choice in developing new software. We are very pleased to continue our commitment to this platform," added Zacharias J. Beckman, founder of the company. Dolphin Software is a consulting group, organized under Dolphin Technologies Inc., dedicated to the NeXT Computer platform for the development of leading-edge mission critical application. Dolphin Software employs premier personnel to achieve the highest in quality standards. Specializing in Object Oriented Development, speci cally Information Management and Document Management, the company plans to expand rapidly as the demand for Object Oriented systems increases. Dolphin Technologies and Dolphin Software are headquartered in Beverly Glen, California. The group performs systems engineering, mission critical development, and object oriented consulting services. Dolphin delivers complete solutions after careful analysis and design, conducted hand-in-hand with the client. For additional information contact Norman B. Furlong at 800-843-0328; electronic mail can be directed to info@dolphin.com. Contact: Norman B. Furlong Dolphin Technologies Inc. 10329 Viretta Lane Beverly Glen, CA 90077 -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Software Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - use NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
From: fiorini@paola.dei.unipd.it (Paolo Fiorini) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT computer for sale Message-ID: <C4p3tu.Dwu@dei.unipd.it> Date: 30 Mar 93 09:32:17 GMT Sender: usenet@dei.unipd.it Organization: Universita' di Padova, Italia NeXT System for Sale!! Due to the bad business situation, I have to sell my new NeXTstation TurboColor: 16 MB Ram, 400 MB HD, ADB keyboard, Sony 17" Trinitron monitor, NeXT printer. Plus a few external peripherals: Zyxel Fax/Modem/Voice with NXFax software, Micronet 1GB external disk, Micronet 150 MB streaming tape, Micronet CD player. Plus a few application: Adobe Illustrator, SoftPC, Word Perfect. Plus a complete set of manuals. All bought last December with extended warranty. I can sell the whole thing or separate pieces and the price is very interesting. If interested, call Paolo at +(39)45-527195 or send e-mail to fiorini@paola.dei.unipd.it -- Paolo Fiorini Jet Propulsion Laboratory ph: +1 818 354-9061 California Institute of Technology fiorini@telerobotics.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Bumper Sticker Ideas Message-ID: <tlm.734158323@vincent1.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <yeak2B1w165w@arsenal.com> <1993Apr7.022648.23907@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 04:52:03 GMT In <1993Apr7.022648.23907@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: >How about just slapping one of the BIG NeXT stickers on the back >of the car? (like I did- If you ever see an ugly white car with a >NeXT sticker on the back, it's me :) Hmmmm....I knew you were a bit odd....but you mean to tell us you think you're a car? Obviously impossible since typing on the #$%$%& NeXT keyboard would be extremely hard, even with whitewalls. :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: NEW: Don't SLIP out without SLIPCommander! Version 3.0. Message-ID: <tlm.734158612@vincent1.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Apr6.044901.17462@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1993Apr7.011318.18206@sfu.ca> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 04:56:52 GMT In <1993Apr7.011318.18206@sfu.ca> eric@sfu.ca (Eric Kolotyluk) writes: >In article <1993Apr6.044901.17462@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary >I. Chang) writes: >> Hi, >> >> It's currently on cs.orst.edu under pub/next/submissions. I'm >> having trouble getting it on sonata and nova. >> >> Gary >> >- >I hate it when people announce something and it's not there :-( >thorne:5# ftp cs.orst.edu >Connected to cs.orst.edu. >220 lynx FTP server (Version $Revision: 15.15 $ $Date: 89/08/31 10:33:40 $) >ready. >Name (cs.orst.edu:root): anonymous >331 Guest login ok, send ident as password. >Password: >230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. >ftp> cd next >550 next: No such file or directory. >ftp> cd pub/next >200 CWD command okay. >ftp> cd submissions >200 CWD command okay. >ftp> bin >200 Type set to I. >ftp> get SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar >200 PORT command okay. >550 SLIPCommander3.0.pkg.tar: No such file or directory. Errr......can't explain what you've posted, but I downloaded it just fine: feynman> ps aux | grep SLI tlm 2043 1.6 1.0 5.02M 208K p4 S 0:00 grep SLI tlm 1583 0.0 9.4 5.76M 1.88M ? S 1:45 /LocalApps/SLIPCommander.ap feynman> and THAT IS INDEED SC 3.0 from orst. If this was an RTF posting I'd play the theme from the Twilight Zone....... TLM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Survey and thanks Message-ID: <1993Apr5.184802.540@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 18:48:02 GMT I appreciate your responses to the survey. There are some great ideas being sent back. I hope that it will give NeXT some very positive and pointed feedback. Thank you to everyone who has responded. If you have not received the survey, then email me, and I will send you one. In addition, if you have filled out and returned the survey, please pass one along to a friend or colleague. The more information, the better. Again thank you. Wes Spears jspears@weston.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: News has quit Message-ID: <1993Apr6.225544.655@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 22:55:44 GMT My newsfeed quit. Mail is still going out and coming in. This is all via UUCP, but my incoming news quit. I am no longer receiving files to unbatch. If you have any thoughts, please email the answer. Obviously, posting it does me no good until I have my feed up again, then I can read it. Thanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Re: NEW: Don't SLIP out without SLIPCommander! Version 3.0.1 (NEW) Message-ID: <1993Apr7.053026.10555@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA References: <tlm.734158612@vincent1.iastate.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 05:30:26 GMT Hi, SLIPpers, :-) Very sorry for the confusing, I've posted the slightly revised version of SLIPCommander3.01 to the net again. The previous version has caused some people with installation problems due to their SLIP_v1.pkg install directory. (The default was /usr/dialupip)... And that was history, version 3.01 has been released to take good care of such problem. Hope this will save you more time with less puzzles to solve. :-) ============================ New Changes in this version: ============================ 1. SLIPCommander now ask for different setting of SLIP bin path during first time start up. (The previous version has caused some problems on people who has different SLIP bin path than '/usr/dialupip/bin') 2. SLIPCommander now is under any user's commands, it is no longer limited to the wheel group. Cheers, Gary Apr 6th, 1993 Check Sum ========= nextbaby> ls -l SLIPCommander3.01.compressed -rw-r--r-- 1 garyc 642891 Apr 6 23:01 SLIPCommander3.01.compressed nextbaby> sum SLIPCommander3.01.compressed 03177 628 -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: brill@sybase.com Subject: N$/FIP - 50% Discount Message-ID: <yikesC53Mo1.4Fx@netcom.com> Sender: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1993Apr5.184802.540@weston.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 05:45:37 GMT Stephen Peters (speters@oracle.com) writes: > '486. I'm on the phone and about have a heart attack when they tell > me that the user version has been UNBUNDLED from the developer version > and that it will now cost $2,700 to get started with Nextstep. ^^^^^^ Try $2,800! tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: >My guess is that NeXT is confused. At least for the moment. Since the >developer system is useless without the user version, why would they >charge for both? Perhaps they meant if you buy the developer tools >later? In that case, I'd expect the price to be lower, anyway. If the developer "system" is only tools/libraries/docs, then you'd need the operating system (user version) part. FWIW, an ad in Monday's InfoWorld: blah, blah, blah $2500 DEVELOPER DISCOUNT [$1995 + $795 = $2790 - $300 = $2500] (you get "NS/FIP User Environment" _and_ "NeXTSTEP Developer") blah, blah, blah 50% SOFTWARE DISCOUNT (anyone who attends any part of Expo [even conferences], is eligible for 50% off of NeXT software [User Environment ~$400, Developer ~$1K]) So, $400 for folks who aren't interested in the developer's tools isn't so bad. ...Michael Brill (brill@sybase.com) -- ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: REVISED: SLIPCommander Version 3.01 Message-ID: <1993Apr7.055026.11090@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 05:50:26 GMT Hi, netters, For those of you who has already obtained the previous 3.0 version and got it up and running, you may safely ignore this message. The revised version has been kept in the compressed file for less confusion. A lot of you were asking me about the latest version of SLIP_v1.pkg, it was last saw on sonata.cc.purdue.edu under pub/next/submissions, but then was moved to somewhere around..... Can anyone verfy this for the rest? IT IS NOW ON cs.orst.edu under pub/next/submissions.....I'm trying to put it on sonata and nova, but hey they are really having a hard time on their disks. :-( Check Sum ========= nextbaby> ls -l SLIPCommander3.01.compressed -rw-r--r-- 1 garyc 642891 Apr 6 23:01 SLIPCommander3.01.compressed nextbaby> sum SLIPCommander3.01.compressed 03177 628 ============================ New Changes in this version: ============================ 1. SLIPCommander now ask for different setting of SLIP bin path during first time start up. (The previous version has caused some problems on people who has different SLIP bin path than '/usr/dialupip/bin') 2. SLIPCommander now is under any user's commands, it is no longer limited to the wheel group. Gary Apr 6th, 1993 -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Watershed Technologies Announces GraphRight Message-ID: <C52wIJ.uz@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 20:20:43 GMT _______________________________________________________________________ Press Release For Immediate Release Watershed Technologies Announces GraphRight Marlboro, MA - April 6, 1993 - Watershed Technologies, Inc. today announced the release of GraphRight, the Presentation Graphing Application for business and financial use. GraphRight features a wide selection of business and financial graph types including a full featured drawing package. GraphRight was designed and written exclusively for all platforms running NeXTSTEP. GraphRight features include: 18 graph types Unlimited undo Full drawing environment Basic word processor, including spell checker Drag and drop images, rich text, and color Object linking File and folder linking Simple, easy to use table-based data editor The ability to import ASCII data The drag and drop feature allows any file in the Workspace to be dragged onto a graph page. Files such as TIFF, EPS, and RTF can be directly imported in this manner. This allows for an image to be placed behind a graph producing a stunning and effective result for any presentation. "Just about anything can be dragged and dropped into GraphRight", says Dirk P. Fromhein, President of Watershed Technologies, Inc. Object Linking allows a graph created in GraphRight to be linked into any word processor or presentation package that supports NeXT's Link Manager. This feature eliminates the need to repeatedly copy and paste a graph as it is changed. Once a graph is linked into another application, all future changes to the graph in GraphRight are updated throughout all the links. Linking into GraphRight is also possible. GraphRight includes a full featured drawing environment, and a basic word processor that supports NeXTSTEP's spell checker. As a result, graphs can be annotated in a very integrated manner. "We are seeing in NeXTSTEP, the chance to push presentation graphics to a much higher level than on any other platform", says Dirk Fromhein. Watershed Technologies is working to incorporate: Real time data entry via distributed objects Importation of data from other platforms and applications A wider variety of drawing tools Any further requested graph types Fromhein points out, "Watershed technologies is customer driven, and we are eager to provide all the features our customers want." Watershed Technologies also offers unlimited e-mail support and limited phone support for the product. "GraphRight provides an intuitive interface and we do not expect users to ever have to open the manual let alone call for support", says Stephen Selby, Technical Writer. For more information contact: Watershed Technologies, Inc. 13 Tremont St. Suite 3F Marlboro, MA 01752 graphright@watershed.com (508)-460-9612 #### Watershed Technologies, Inc. is a privately held company with headquarters in Marlboro, MA. Its founders started as defense contractors doing research in computational fluid dynamics before changing to commercial software for NeXTSTEP. They have since helped in the creation of one of the most successful NeXTSTEP applications to date. Watershed Technologies will continue to support NeXTSTEP on any platform on which it is released. GraphRight is a trademark of Watershed Technologies, Inc. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are registered trademarks of NeXT, Inc. All other mentioned products are trademarks of their respective companies.
From: dan@coactive.com (dan hennage) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: CD_ROM drive compatibility Date: 7 Apr 1993 02:23:21 GMT Organization: Coactive Aesthetics Inc. Message-ID: <1ptdupINN35q@disc.coactive.com> Has anyone out there interfaced a Toshiba 3401E CD-ROM Drive to a NeXT? For a more general question: Does anyone know of a CD-ROM Drive which will work with a NeXT, a Mac, and a PC? Thanks. --- dan hennage coactive aesthetics po box 425967, san francisco, ca 94142 dan@coactive.com voice:(415)626-5152 fax:(415)626-6320
From: dja3@meaddata.com (Dave Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Bumper Sticker Ideas Date: 7 Apr 1993 11:47:31 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Message-ID: <1puf0j$jbi@meaddata.meaddata.com> References: <yeak2B1w165w@arsenal.com> <1993Apr7.022648.23907@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> In-reply-to: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu's message of 7 Apr 93 02:26:48 GMT In article <1993Apr7.022648.23907@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: How about just slapping one of the BIG NeXT stickers on the back of the car? (like I did- If you ever see an ugly white car with a NeXT sticker on the back, it's me :) It is really an ugly white car. Falling apart from the inside out. You need to get a sporty black two-seater and put a NeXT sticker on it - some real NeXT-style hardware. :O) Later - Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@svcdudes.com Subject: Re: Serial Port Problem: Need HELP Message-ID: <1993Apr1.174325.2640@svcdudes.com> Sender: news@svcdudes.com Organization: Software Ventures, Inc. References: <1993Mar29.190637.9085@socrates.umd.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 17:43:25 GMT In article <1993Mar29.190637.9085@socrates.umd.edu> fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > I have a ZyXel 1496E modem connected to each of the serial ports > on my NeXTStation. One of them started acting funny. I reversed the > cables (both ports have the same configuration) and there was no > problem. Hence I suspect the port and not the modem. What happens is > everything appears fine until there is a long stream on data (eg., > doing at&v a couple of times, or connecting to a remote and getting > a long message), then it "locks". That is, there is no more echo, as > if some buffer filled up. What I type still seems to go to the modem > (and out if it is connected) but there is no echo. Finally, the echo > will kick in again for awhile, until the next long stream. > > Any ideas what might be happening and how I can fix it. > This sounds like you are using 7-even. Use 7-none instead. 7-even is broken on the NeXT. -- Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Date: 7 Apr 1993 19:45:19 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pvb0fINNg8o@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> NEXTSTEP DAZZLES ON INTEL SYSTEMS p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 NeXT Inc.'s newest version of NextStep, the company's first venture since dropping its hardware line, will bring the operating system's attractive user interface, superior network connectivity and powerful development environment to 486- and Pentium- based systems. PC Week Labs tested the first beta version of NextStep for Intel Processors 3.1 and found it virtually identical to version 3.0, which is available only for NeXT systems. The final version of NextStep 3.1 is due in May priced at $795 for the user version and ~$1,995 for the developers' version. Version 3.1 of NextStep, arguably.the most aesthetically pleasing of all available user interfaces, is a superbly full-featured operating system. Users of Intel-based systems will benefit from NextStep's database access, PostScript Level 2 display, Pantone color matching, Digital Librarian indexing and searching, Novell NetWare client connectivity, and DOS and Macintosh disk compatibility. However, at the time of this beta release the list of supported hardware peripherals-especially network and display cards-and software was quite limited. This beta release also does not support Micro Channel machines, AppleTalk, or Token-Ring networks. In addition, users with standard PC configurations may find NextStep's l6M-byte RAM requirement for color steep. Ease of connectivity The Labs found it very easy to attach a 486DX-based system loaded with NextStep to our Ethernet network, which also had a NeXT Netlnfo server operating on it. As our system booted, it asked us for a host name; the server then automatically assigned the system an IP address. The NeXT operating system also made it a snap to boot the machine from either DOS or NextStep by simply hitting the "D" or "N" key at startup. NextStep let us both read from and write to files on the DOS partition, giving us a fully functional networked DOS/Windows machine on one hard disk partition and a NextStep system on another partition. Users can create as many as four partitions, each running a different operating system. While under Windows, we created documents in Microsoft Corp.'s Word and saved them in Rich Text Format files. We were able to read from and write to these files under NextStep using the Edit application. We also successfully copied files to and from DOS and Mac floppy disks, enabling us to share information with non-networked Windows and Macintosh machines. NextStep's Config application let us inspect the IRQ (interrupt request) and DMA (direct memory access) settings of previously installed devices. This eliminated guesswork when adding new devices to the system. We were able to connect to our NextStep system from a beta Windows NT system using the Unix telnet and rlogin commands. We also used the standard Unix Network File System commands to mount a drive attached to our Sun Microsystems Inc. workstation; this gave us easy access to more than 1G byte of disk space. Development tools NextStep for Intel provides tools that will be useful for corporate managers who need to rapidly deploy client/server applications. The Project Builder, for example, has an Options button that gives developers a choice between compiling for NeXT or Intel Corp. hardware. And DBKit provides a tool palette that lets developers quickly add database connectivity to their applications. NextStep also includes the Objective C, C++ and ANSI-C languages. Limited hardware, software support The NextStep beta version we tested supported only limited hardware: Only the Tseng Laboratories Inc. ET4000 card provides 1,024-by-768-pixel, 2-bit gray-scale graphics, while only standard VGA cards provide 640-by 480-pixel, 2-bit gray-scale graphics. For 16-bit color, NextStep supports Compaq Computer Corp. (QVision and ATI Technologies Inc. Mach32 VLBus and Graphics Ultra Pro boards, as well as Chips and Technologies Inc.'s Wingine and Intel's Jaws. Next Step also supports S3based video. Two Ethernet cards - Intel's EtherExpress/16 and Standard Microsystems Corp.'s Ether Card Plus Elite 16, and two SCSI controller cards - the Adaptec 1 Inc. 1542B and Distributed Processing Technologies 20l2 are supported in the beta. NextStep DOES support all IDE drives. NextStep 3.1 is expected to support the same software applications as version 3.0, but that's not saying much, since the number of applications is minuscule compared with those supported under DOS, Windows or the Mac. However, what NeXT applications lack in number, they make up for in quality. AppSoft Inc.'s Image and WriteNow, Lightship Software's Concurrence, WordPerfect Corp.'s WordPerfect 1.0, and Altsys' Virtuoso, for example,are all high-quality general-productivity software. Testing Methodology PC Week Labs tested NextStep for Intel Processors on an ISA (Industry Standard Architecture)- based Epson America Inc. 33MHz 486 Progression with 36M bytes of RAM and a 500M-byte SCSI hard drive using an Adaptec l542B SCSI controller card. The system came with a C&T Wingine graphics subsystem and a 17-inch Epson monitor, as mll as an EtherExpress 16 network card. We also tested NextStep using a Dell Computer Corp. 433DE with 16M bytes of RAM and a 243M-byte IDE hard disk. The Dell had an ATI Technologies Inc. Ultra Pro display card and a SMC Ethercard Plus Elite 16. We installed NextStep using an external Toshiba America Information Systems Inc. TXM3301E1 CD ROM player with an Adaptec 1540A SCSI controller. NextStep for Intel - Executive Summary NeXT Inc.'s NextStep for Intel Processors 3.1 is a full-featured multitasking operating system for 486- and Pentium-based computers. NextStep offers a stunning user interface, good network connectivity and a powerful development environment. The list of supported hardware and software as of this first beta version is quite limited but is expected to grow by the product's spring release date.
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Date: 7 Apr 1993 19:35:30 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1pvae2INNnr1@gap.caltech.edu> References: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Apr6.071315.29046@qb.rhein-main.de> <KARTHY.93Apr6222429@dannug.dannug.dk> Mail.app uses /usr/ucb/compress, so you should not replace /usr/ucb/compress with gzip. At least not without changing Mail. Which you can. You can use Edit (yes, I mean the text editor Edit application) to find and change the occurence of /usr/ucb/compress with whatever you want, so long as it has exactly the same number of characters. You would also want to change it in the package script in Installer.app in case you plan to make Installer packages for distribution. With those two changes, I think you could replace /usr/ucb/compress with gzip safely. Does anyone know of any other references to /usr/ucb/compress lurking about? mark
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) Subject: Re: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Message-ID: <1993Apr7.201624.15577@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park References: <1pvb0fINNg8o@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 20:16:24 GMT In article <1pvb0fINNg8o@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: First, thanks to Eric for typing this in. >NEXTSTEP DAZZLES ON INTEL SYSTEMS >p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 [gunge] >PC Week Labs tested the first beta version of NextStep for Intel >Processors 3.1 and found it virtually identical to version 3.0, which >is available only for NeXT systems. The final version of NextStep 3.1 >is due in May priced at $795 for the user version and ~$1,995 for the >developers' version. Now you don't need to ask where I got those figures anymore, huh? [gunge] >Limited hardware, software support >For 16-bit color, NextStep supports Compaq Computer Corp. (QVision >and ATI Technologies Inc. Mach32 VLBus and Graphics Ultra Pro boards, >as well as Chips and Technologies Inc.'s Wingine and Intel's Jaws. >Next Step also supports S3based video. Can anyone actually confim this last one? (s3 support)-- I know they've said "will support" but is it actually in the current beta? (I mean, *in* the beta) [gunge] >However, what NeXT applications lack in number, they make up for in >quality. AppSoft Inc.'s Image and WriteNow, Lightship Software's ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ >Concurrence, WordPerfect Corp.'s WordPerfect 1.0, and Altsys' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Virtuoso, for example,are all high-quality general-productivity >software. ROTFL. (and people say 'm always picking the worst of the bunch) >Testing Methodology > >PC Week Labs tested NextStep for Intel Processors on an ISA (Industry >Standard Architecture)- based Epson America Inc. 33MHz 486 >Progression with 36M bytes of RAM and a 500M-byte SCSI hard drive >using an Adaptec l542B SCSI controller card. > >The system came with a C&T Wingine graphics subsystem and a 17-inch >Epson monitor, as mll as an EtherExpress 16 network card. In this case, labeling the system as ISA is probably misleading-- the Wingine itself certainly is not. Otherwise, it sounds like a pretty realistic configuration for NeXTSTEP. > We also >tested NextStep using a Dell Computer Corp. 433DE with 16M bytes of >RAM and a 243M-byte IDE hard disk. The Dell had an ATI Technologies >Inc. Ultra Pro display card and a SMC Ethercard Plus Elite 16. <This, OTOH, sounds rather borderline RAM-wise for a color system.> They don't mention if this is a VLB machine or not. [gunge] >NextStep for Intel - Executive Summary > >NeXT Inc.'s NextStep for Intel Processors 3.1 is a full-featured >multitasking operating system for 486- and Pentium-based computers. >NextStep offers a stunning user interface, good network connectivity >and a powerful development environment. The list of supported >hardware and software as of this first beta version is quite limited >but is expected to grow by the product's spring release date. Their software support would grow a lot faster if NeXT went after a little marketshare. -- "Well, the drivers make all of the n's onscreen disappear, but.. other than that, they work GREAT!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1993Apr7.201750.27221@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1pghu8INNl6c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <1993Apr3.170240.9040@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 20:17:50 GMT In article <1993Apr3.170240.9040@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: >In article <1pghu8INNl6c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> >bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes: >[...] >> I have heard that the DX/3 is about the same speed as P5 EMULATING a 486, >> anybody care to coment..... > >What you've heard is partly boulderdash. A Pentium runs about 40%-60% faster >than a 486 with the same clock frequency on common code (i.e. the famous >"millions of applications" we allegedly cannot live without). That >corresponds to roughly 35-40 SPECint92, not a very exciting figure. >Code that's compiled specifically for Pentium using pre-alpha intel-only >compilers that make use of non-disclosed information (Appendix H of the >Pentium documentation) gets up to 60 SPECint92, which isn't too fast either. Whats the SPECfp92 on a NeXTstation? 10-15? The latest public noise to pass my way suggests the Pentium will be around 60 SPECfp92, which can only help the performance of Renderman. 60 SPECint92 may give DPS a good boost over the current NeXTstation as well. Personally Im more concerned about this "Appendix H" nonsense.. What happens if NeXT adapts GCC to use whats specified there? Can they pass back those modifications to the FSF? If not, do they ship a slow compiler, or simply push people to an open architecture a year later? >Alpha, PA-RISC, RS/6000, MIPS R4400 are faster and have been shipping in >volume for some time now. Pentium won't be out the door till at least 3Q93 >in volume, that's for sure. A Lamborghini(sp) isnt very fast either.. It wont even touch a subsonic jet :-> First, the versions of those chips that run far faster than 60 SPEC*92 arent in $5,000 systems today. A SPARCstation Classic is in the mid-20 SPEC range, and the 33MHz HP chip in the low end PA-RISC box is only good for 25 SPECin92 and 46 SPECfp92. When Q3 rolls around, the Pentium is in real systems, and the RISC machine vendors have had another few months to push out the next generation boxes, we can argue who has the best box capable of running NeXTstep for some fixed (affordable) price. Right now the answer is "no one". >Concerning the "emulation" of 486 code: see my recent posting in this group. >The Pentium's *only* native machine code is identical to the 486's. All this >stuff about Pentium being a RISC processor emulating something is just plain >wrong. The term RISC is misused on many architectures. I think the component here that people are talking about has to do with the instruction units being hardwired logic instead of being microcoded. As to whether that means it can be tagged as RISC is a battle for the absurdly religious. >-- >Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) > >Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any >given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. >See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType Dont forget to add: 2) where people argue religiously over points that have no concern for cost or functionality from the end users perspective. -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) Subject: tiff/ps to gif, please? Message-ID: <1993Apr7.175600.11079@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 17:56:00 GMT I need to convert graphics files --currently in tiff and postscript formats-- into the gif format. I'm looking for free software, of course. Any suggestions would be appreciated, Phil -- G. Philippe Menos gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> Keywords: Spreadsheets Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 7 Apr 93 12:52:51 PDT I have recently had some rather unpleasant conversations with the people from Mesa. I tried to sell my educational license to someone else (who would also qualify for an educational license). In response to my note that resale agreements in the US stand on dubious legal footing, I received: > If you think you have a legal leg to stand on, that's fine. Please > note, however, that you agree to pay all reasonable costs associated > with Athena Design enforcing the license agreement. If we learn of > any more attempts on your part to transfer your license in the future, > we will use legal means to enforce our licensing agreement > > David [Pollack] (who happens to be a lawyer) This attitude also means that you cannot count on upgrade paths, of course. You are at David's mercy. My advice: buy Appsoft, WingZ or Improv if you ever think of transferring computers. I certainly wish I had never bought Mesa. Furthermore, Mesa itself has some severe shortcomings, ranging from a variety of graphics bugs to saved worksheets that take up 3 times as much as comparable worksheets on your disk. I am really perplexed by David's schizophrenic personality. He has been very responsive to some problems, and very unreasonable about others. /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) Subject: Re: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Message-ID: <messinaC54vFH.Btx@netcom.com> Organization: Messina Software References: <1pvb0fINNg8o@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Apr7.201624.15577@wam.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 21:52:28 GMT zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > is due in May priced at $795 for the user version and ~$1,995 for the > developers' version. [...] > software as of this first beta version is quite limited This isn't too surprising, I hope. It's enough to look at the line above. When are those guys going to get a clue from Microsoft? You don't make money on developers - they make money for you! I hope Steve Jobs wakes up in time before his NeXTSTEP goes the same way as NeXT did. t.
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Date: 7 Apr 1993 22:56:39 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1pvm77$kbf@hermes.athena.com> References: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> Hi All, It's been quite a long time since I've posted to the net (other than a few press releases). Ivo's note has prompted me to restate Athena Design's commitment to higher education, NeXTSTEP, and to treating customers fairly. We are committed to higher education. We have given away thousands of licenses to Mesa to educational institutions that make Mesa available to students. We also sell Mesa for 80% off of the retail price to anybody associated with an educational institution. The educational version of Mesa differs from the commercial version of Mesa in the following ways: the documentation is in PostScript form on disk rather than in a printed manual; we do not offer tech support on educational versions (although we have not denied any tech support to educational users); and the educational license is non-transferable. If you buy the educational version from NeXTConnection, you can return it within 30 days if you are not satisfied, but you cannot sell or transfer your license to anybody else. This is part of license. This is not something we hide. Ivo signed an agreement stating that he would abide by the license agreement, yet he now claims that it is not fair. If he felt that it was not fair, why didn't he return his copy of Mesa before agreeing to the license? Athena Design has a commitment to NeXTSTEP. We were the first company to ship an application that runs on NeXTSTEP/Intel. We are the only shipping spreadsheet that has announced plans (let alone acted on them) to move to NeXTSTEP/Intel. Every customer who has ever purchased Mesa gets the NeXTSTEP/Intel version for free. If Lotus or Informix were as committed to NeXTSTEP as Athena Design, why haven't they announced porting plans. Athena Design has a commitment to our customers. Half of our company is customer service. We have upgraded Mesa 4 times since we released it eight months ago. Every one of our customers has the right to this upgrade at no charge (other than cost of media for those who do not have ftp access). Mesa comes with one year of free upgrades. What other products in any marketplace offer that? What other products upgrade every two to three months (adding features like 3D graphs, Excel 3.0 file read, Lotus .wk1 read and write, a powerful scripting language, Sybase SQL access, etc.)? Talk to a Mesa user. Ask him/her how many bugs he/she has found. Ask him/her if Athena Design listens to their users. Did you know that you can load a demo copy of Mesa from the archives at cs.orst.edu or athena.com and use it and do everything except build a spreadsheet bigger than 32 by 32 cells? You can get to know Mesa and see if you like it. You can talk to people and see if they like Athena Design's support policy (or just read quotes from people like Vince Jordan or Ted Shelton who both praise the quality of our product and support.) So Ivo is upset about the fact that he bought a non-transferable license and we are insisting on enforcing our rights. If he wanted to be allowed to transfer the license, he could have bought the commercial version of Mesa. If he did not feel that the $79 he paid for Mesa was fair for the product he received, why has he continued to use it for 7 months now rather than returning it in the first 30 days? He complains that Mesa takes more disk storage. This is true. We store more information about each spreadsheet cell than other applications. He claims that there are bugs in the graphing routines. He was a beta tester for Mesa, yet he has never sent mail regarding a graph bug. Finally, Ivo accuses me of being schizophrenic. I would disagree. Our license agreement clearly states that the license is non-transferable. Despite that Ivo signed this agreement, he is now upset that we are enforcing it. I think that this is just about as stable as we can be: we entered into an agreement and we insist that people adhere to the obligations that they agreed to. When we read that Ivo was trying to sell his educational version of Mesa, we sent him a note mentioning that his license was non-transferable. This is his response: "Once I saw that you were continuing with Mesa for NS/Intel and that my copy was transferable, I decided to withdraw my sales offer. Mesa is a great and affordable product." Despite that we asked him nicely, he still insisted that his license was transferable. That's when I put on my lawyer hat and sent him a message. Finally, I'd like to encourage everybody reading this to try Mesa, WingZ, Improv, Solution, and Questor. Call the manufactures and ask them about their future NeXTSTEP plans. Does each spreadsheet contain the functions that you need? Does it do the formatting and graphics that you want it to? Is it fast enough for you? What is the update and upgrade policy? How much does an educational version cost? What are the transfer rights on an educational version? What is the support policy and history of the company? How many seats are using the product? Thousands of people have asked these questions and most of them are now using Mesa. Mesa is the best selling NeXTSTEP spreadsheet. Mesa is the most powerful NeXTSTEP spreadsheet. Mesa is the best supported spreadsheet. Mesa is the only spreadsheet that runs on NeXTSTEP/Intel. The big drawback to a $99 educational license is that you cannot legally transfer it. If you don't believe that Mesa is the best NeXTSTEP spreadsheet or that you will not get your $99 worth, then please buy another product. Thanks for your time. David President, Athena Design In article <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > I have recently had some rather unpleasant conversations with the > people from Mesa. I tried to sell my educational license to someone > else (who would also qualify for an educational license). In response > to my note that resale agreements in the US stand on dubious legal > footing, I received: > > > If you think you have a legal leg to stand on, that's fine. Please > > note, however, that you agree to pay all reasonable costs associated > > with Athena Design enforcing the license agreement. If we learn of > > any more attempts on your part to transfer your license in the future, > > we will use legal means to enforce our licensing agreement > > > > David [Pollack] (who happens to be a lawyer) > > This attitude also means that you cannot count on upgrade paths, of > course. You are at David's mercy. > > > My advice: buy Appsoft, WingZ or Improv if you ever think of > transferring computers. I certainly wish I had never bought Mesa. > Furthermore, Mesa itself has some severe shortcomings, ranging from a > variety of graphics bugs to saved worksheets that take up 3 times as > much as comparable worksheets on your disk. > > > I am really perplexed by David's schizophrenic personality. He has > been very responsive to some problems, and very unreasonable about > others. > > /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <l2j5wn@rpi.edu> References: <C4uBIs.4Mu@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 22:06:38 GMT smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) writes: > thompson@netcom.com (Thompson) writes: > > get gzip and use it. (Although I wish they had used ".gz" or > > ".gzip" as an extension instead..) > > Expect an announcement RSN. .z dropped in favor of .gz due to > storm of user protest. This would be great news. The only thing that really annoys me about gzip is the suffix choosen. If they switch to .gz then I'd really like to see the NeXT archive sites switch over to gzip for as much as possible. As it is I don't want to use it because I don't want to leave ".z" files around (unless they are packed), and I don't want to use some other suffix if gzip insists on ".z". -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <p2j5lr@rpi.edu> References: <C4uBIs.4Mu@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 22:09:22 GMT > thompson@netcom.com (Thompson) writes: > >I got the SimonSays, which was squashed, and then just ran gzip -9 on > >top of it.. it compressed a bunch more.. ha ha ha. Squash is a joke, > >get gzip and use it. (Although I wish they had used ".gz" or ".gzip" > >as an extension instead..) While I'm at it, I should note that I both have and use Squash. As noted in Mark Adler's comprehensive comparison of the two, Squash is not a joke. I like using it for some of my stuff. On the other hand, it probably makes sense to stick with gzip for anything uploaded to archives. Certainly that's what I'd do, if gzip changes to some other suffix, even though I use Squash on my own machines. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tvansant@tecumseh.gsfc.nasa.gov (Timothy Van Sant) Subject: Color printers Message-ID: <C54q68.1HC@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 19:58:52 GMT How does Apple's Color Printer compare to the (late?) NeXT Color Printer? [Or should it be NEXT COLOR PRINTER? :-) ] Should one who was considering the NCP, think of the ACP as a near substitute? Tim Van Sant NASA Goddard Space Flight Center E-mail:tvansant@tecumseh.gsfc.nasa.gov (accepts NeXTmail)
From: upbundal@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Pred Bundalo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IComm.app and hardware flow control Date: 7 Apr 1993 20:17:40 -0500 Organization: Educational Computing Network Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pvufk$o4t@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> I just picked this up from sonata. It's a shareware ($20) communications program that let's you use x/y/zmodem instead of kermit for your file transfers. Although the program doesn't look fantastic, I imagine it could be useful for transfering large amounts of data. The problem is that I use hardware flow control (/dev/cufa and /dev/ttyfa), but the app doesn't seem to support these devices--I did a "strings" on the binary and only found references to tty[ab]. In fact, when I click on the dial button, nothing happens. Yes, I went through the Settings menus and set things as appropriately as I could, but nothing. I even tried to trick the app by making ttya a link to ttyfa. Nothing. Has anyone gotten this app working with NS3.0? I'd have sent mail to the author, but there wasn't an email address in the info panel. If there's a cheap (read: shareware/PD) alternative that lets one use zmodem, please let me know. Best, Pred Bundalo Illinois Institute of Technology (pred@iitmax.acc.iit.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: dave@fosters.huma.yorku.ca (David Aspinall) Subject: Re: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Message-ID: <1993Apr8.022549.6077@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University, Humanities Department References: <1993Apr7.201624.15577@wam.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 02:25:49 GMT rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes: : In article <1pvb0fINNg8o@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: : >Limited hardware, software support : >For 16-bit color, NextStep supports Compaq Computer Corp. (QVision : >and ATI Technologies Inc. Mach32 VLBus and Graphics Ultra Pro boards, : >as well as Chips and Technologies Inc.'s Wingine and Intel's Jaws. : >Next Step also supports S3based video. : : : Can anyone actually confim this last one? (s3 support)-- : I know they've said "will support" but is it actually in the : current beta? (I mean, *in* the beta) : : [gunge] : YES, the Dell machine we have been using has the S3 on the motherboard, and since I never did get the Stupid ATI Ultra Pro to work, I've been running the S3 in 800x600 mode. A little small, but it works :) Your mileage may ...yea yea yea David -- David Aspinall ---------- Former-Former-NeXT Campus Consultant E-mail : cs911409@ariel.yorku.ca | I'd rather be NeXTMail: dave@ccs.yorku.ca | rich than stupid V-mail : (416) 663-4997 | -- Jack Handey
From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <3330@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> Date: 8 Apr 93 02:16:37 GMT References: <SCOTT.93Apr4053535@nic.gac.edu> <C4z623.1C6@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Organization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA In article <C4z623.1C6@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: >There is *NO* RISC mode. If you want to be technical all CISC processors >are emulating the instruction sets since they are mostly microcode. <<Picky mode on>> ??? The Z8000 was hardwired (no microcode). The resultant small die was handy for getting MIL-spec ratings, and for low production costs. The designers were kind of sorry they did it that way though, as it took forever to debug. In contrast, the 68000 has 2-level microcode. I assume that newer/faster CISC machines are migrating back to hardwired for speed reasons. 8-bitter CISC's are all hardwired, I think. <<Picky mode off>> -- +----------------+ ! II CCCCCC ! Jim Cathey ! II SSSSCC ! ISC-Bunker Ramo ! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220 ! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com) ! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757 +----------------+ One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them. One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Color printers Message-ID: <C55AHH.Bs1@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C54q68.1HC@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 03:17:40 GMT In article <C54q68.1HC@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> tvansant@tecumseh.gsfc.nasa.gov (Timothy Van Sant) writes: [ ] > >Should one who was considering the NCP, think of the ACP as a near >substitute? I would not. Moreover, one might suspect that HP will bring out a real 4 colour inkjet printer (Postscript Level 2) very soon. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <C555vv.1Cu@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <p2j5lr@rpi.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 01:38:18 GMT This would be great news. The only thing that really annoys me about gzip is the suffix choosen. If they switch to .gz then I'd really like to see the NeXT archive sites switch over to gzip for as much as possible. As it is I don't want to use it because I don't want to leave ".z" files around (unless they are packed), and I don't want to use some other suffix if gzip insists on ".z". One thing about gzip is that is automatically determines what compression was used (compress or gzip) irreguardless of the extension. Well, at least if you use "zcat". But lots of other things assume ".z". Why is a NeXT user concerned with ".z" anyway? It seemed to me (and still does) the most natural choice for an extention, since gzip is replacing compress which created ".Z" files. I thought the only problem was with some extension Sys V uses. Where exactly does it conflict? And, is the other ".z" as natural as it is for gzip? If not, then maybe the better idea is to change the other, and use .z for gzip. Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr7.194748.21301@mic.ucla.edu> Keywords: Spreadsheets Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management References: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> Date: 7 Apr 93 19:47:47 PDT In article <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: >I have recently had some rather unpleasant conversations with the >people from Mesa. I tried to sell my educational license to someone >else (who would also qualify for an educational license). In response >to my note that resale agreements in the US stand on dubious legal >footing, I received: > >> If you think you have a legal leg to stand on, that's fine. Please >> note, however, that you agree to pay all reasonable costs associated >> with Athena Design enforcing the license agreement. If we learn of >> any more attempts on your part to transfer your license in the future, >> we will use legal means to enforce our licensing agreement >> >> David [Pollack] (who happens to be a lawyer) > >This attitude also means that you cannot count on upgrade paths, of >course. You are at David's mercy. > > >My advice: buy Appsoft, WingZ or Improv if you ever think of >transferring computers. I certainly wish I had never bought Mesa. >Furthermore, Mesa itself has some severe shortcomings, ranging from a >variety of graphics bugs to saved worksheets that take up 3 times as >much as comparable worksheets on your disk. > > >I am really perplexed by David's schizophrenic personality. He has >been very responsive to some problems, and very unreasonable about >others. > >/ivo welch > Let me add an apology: I did not intend to call David schizophrenic, but to label his behavior as inconsistent. In fact, using the word "personality" in a message about a program was inappropriate. I also want to add that common data-intensive files I generated were three times as large as those created by Improv. I do not want to implay that all files are three times as large. /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Renderman article Message-ID: <1993Apr8.064928.5280@venice.sedd.trw.com> Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 06:49:28 GMT The April 93 issue of Computer Graphics World has interesting though lightweight article on Renderman on pages 24-32. Unfortunately they don't mention the NeXT and it's software offerings at all. Only Macs, PCs and SGI. Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 06:52:32 GMT Message-ID: <C55KFK.Cq0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <p2j5lr@rpi.edu> <C555vv.1Cu@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana According to people who took polls on what to do about the suffix, the default appended suffix for output files will now become ".gz". Gzip will still accept ".g", ".z" and (of course) ".gz" as default input files. To me, ".z" meant nothing special as neither I nor anyone I know uses "pack" (apparently the program that used this suffix). I could see how not everyone has net access and might want gzip to get a new suffix though. If I meet someone who uses pack, I would suggest to them that they use gzip instead (and give it to their friends) since it probably gets better compression anyhow, it undoes pack-created files and it's available in source-code form for a wide variety of platforms. Anyways, all is done now, so if you haven't made your Opener.app config file changes to allow .gz, .g and .z to use gzip, that might be a good idea. -- -- J.B. Nicholson-Owens (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
From: zazula@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Ralph Zazula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <1993Apr6.185914.17160@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Date: 6 Apr 93 18:59:14 GMT References: <1993Apr4.132755.22494@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <KARTHY.93Apr6125416@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: zazula@pri.com (Ralph Zazula) Organization: Pinnacle Research, Inc. In article <KARTHY.93Apr6125416@dannug.dannug.dk> karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) writes: > > >so why don't anyone make a Squash-like >frontend to gzip and let us have the best from both products at once?? > >Regards, > >Karsten. Hi - You should check out our CompressionInspector demo on the archives. It uses "gzip" to decompress files and can decompress files and archives as well as display a browser showing files in an archive and let you extract single files. You can find a demo of the "Inspected by: Pinnacle" CompressionInspector (and the Image and Sound ones too) in the file: PRIInspectors_DEMO2.tar.Z on cs.orst.edu and sonata.cc.purdue.edu in /pub/next/submissions. Ralph --- Ralph Zazula Pinnacle Research, Inc. zazula@pri.com (602)529-1135
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: SLIPCommander 3.02 available at cs.orst.edu Message-ID: <1993Apr8.093755.14273@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 09:37:55 GMT Hi, Again, this is just a maintenance version of SLIPCommander 3.0. Please ignore this if you already have SLIPCommander 3.0 up and running. (There's only a couple of you who had a different SLIP setup, or you just want to try out SLIPCommander even without SLIP_v1.pkg installed.) YES, This is the final update to the current SC version. Gary It is now currently on cs.orst.edu under pub/next/submission only! Check Sum ========= nextbaby:6# ls -l SLIPCommander3.02.compressed -rw-r--r-- 1 garyc 642199 Apr 8 02:31 SLIPCommander3.02.compressed nextbaby:7# sum SLIPCommander3.02.compressed 38741 628 Welcome to SLIPCommander3.02! This is a major upgrade to the previous SLIPCommander 2.0+. SLIPCommander contains lots of great ideas that you would ever think of doing over your SLIP connection. Check this out if you are a serious SLIPper. ============================ New Changes in this version: ============================ 0. A loser check for SLIPCommander to start up even without the SLIP_v1.pkg installed. 1. SLIPCommander now ask for different setting of SLIP bin path during first time start up. (The previous version has caused some problems on people who has different SLIP bin path than '/usr/dialupip/bin') 2. SLIPCommander now is under any user's commands, it is no longer limited to the wheel group. Gary Apr 8th, 1993 ================= From About.rtfd ============================================ SLIPCommander.app is a NeXTStep Interface to the SLIP commands provided in the TransSys DialUpIP SLIP package by Louis A. Mamakos. Installation of the latest SLIP_v1.pkg version 920904 is highly recommended. SLIPCommander simplifies the SLIP connection/disconnection process as well as 'rlogin' and retrieving mails from multiple remote sites. A set of very informative panel buttons are used to provide a NeXTStep looks & feels Interface. All the features are further enhanced by a built-in CRON that can be set to download mails and news while you are away from your NeXT. And the Backup Plan creates a Mirroring disk of your local NeXT on your SLIP connected remote account. Multiple sites mail retrieval and rlogin are no longer a hassle. If you use SLIP connection a lot, you will find SLIPCommander a very sexy companion along with your NeXT. So, don't SLIP out without SLIPCommander.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: What a BUG!!! Message-ID: <1993Apr8.094729.14479@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 09:47:29 GMT Hi, For those of you who's doing the programming stuff, I just discovered a severe bug that could happen in your program code too. The bug is on strcpy(). char myAppPath[128], *path; path = [[workspace Application] getApplicationFullPath:"myApp"]; strcpy(myAppPath,path); This works fine until someday when your app is forgotten by workspace. For example,someone installs it and runs it right away before doing the log out and log back in first. path would get NULL from the workspace search.... And then strcpy(....) becomes strcpy(myAppPath,NULL)...... So, you think nothing would be copied into myAppPath???? WRONG!! The program would die without a clue to trace. Gary
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt@drefla.mese.com (Matt Brandt) Subject: Anyone going to NeXTWorld that doesn't want NS/I deal? Message-ID: <1993Apr8.032239.2456@drefla.mese.com> Sender: matt@drefla.mese.com Organization: Applied Engineering Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 03:22:39 GMT Is there anyone out there who wants to go to NeXTWorld but doesn't plan to go for the developer special (NS/I for an additional $300 or so...). If so I would like to get you to get it for ME! I'll provide the additional bucks, you provide the warm body in S.F.... matt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: SoundWorks Release 3.0 (BETA) Message-ID: <C5537I.19o@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 00:40:30 GMT Hi people, I'm beta testing SoundWorks 3.0 and all I can say is, YEEEEESSSSS!!!!!! Finally a program that really takes advantage of the NeXT hardware for digital recording and editing. It supports multiple devices for input and will play out of the DSP to all the devices I can think of. I currently use an AES/EBU output device that I designed and it works with that. Playlist editing and mixing works without a hitch. There are numerous effects that work great, and you can save custom effect setups. You can do any type of sample rate conversion you like. The sound is played out of the DACs no matter what the sample rate. Offline conversion is very good. I've converted numerous soundfile from 48K to 44.1 and the result is great. There is ATC compression which was developed by Julius Smith. The compression is very good and you can control the critical bands that the sound is divided into. SoundWorks also supports just about any sound format you give it: NeXT - .snd Sun/DEC - .au Amiga/SGI - .aiff SoundBlaster - .voc IBM/DOS - .wav IRCAM Soundfile - .sf Raw data - .raw or .data I can't think of anymore type of sounds. The program has a list of features too long to list. It's not just a new face on 2.0 but a whole new program that takes advantage of 3.0. The program is solid except for a couple of minor improvements that will be in the final release. When the demo appears at the archives be sure to check it out. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: Serial Port Problem: Need HELP Message-ID: <1993Apr8.122203.18838@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <1993Mar29.190637.9085@socrates.umd.edu> <1993Apr1.174325.2640@svcdudes.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 12:22:03 GMT In article <1993Apr1.174325.2640@svcdudes.com> moose@svcdudes.com writes: >In article <1993Mar29.190637.9085@socrates.umd.edu> fletcher@socrates.umd.edu >(Charles Fletcher) writes: >> I have a ZyXel 1496E modem connected to each of the serial ports >> on my NeXTStation. One of them started acting funny. I reversed the >> cables (both ports have the same configuration) and there was no >> problem. Hence I suspect the port and not the modem. What happens is >> everything appears fine until there is a long stream on data (eg., >> doing at&v a couple of times, or connecting to a remote and getting >> a long message), then it "locks". That is, there is no more echo, as >> if some buffer filled up. What I type still seems to go to the modem >> (and out if it is connected) but there is no echo. Finally, the echo >> will kick in again for awhile, until the next long stream. >> >> Any ideas what might be happening and how I can fix it. >> > >This sounds like you are using 7-even. Use 7-none instead. 7-even is broken >on the NeXT. > Coming full circle (and thanks to everyone for the help, even if there were no answers)...I am using 7-none, but it is good to know tis about 7-even. What has happened is that I finally rebooted the system and the problem seems to have gone away. (So why didn't I reboot in the first place!--well, the machine is networked and a lot of people needed it and I was having addressing problems that caused booting problems and ... ) Thanks again for the support. Charlie >-- >Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com >Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer >Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro >#include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer) Subject: Re: Color printers Message-ID: <1993Apr8.132111.9630@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame References: <C54q68.1HC@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 13:21:11 GMT In article <C54q68.1HC@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> tvansant@tecumseh.gsfc.nasa.gov (Timothy Van Sant) writes: > How does Apple's Color Printer compare to the (late?) NeXT Color Printer? > [Or should it be NEXT COLOR PRINTER? :-) ] > > Should one who was considering the NCP, think of the ACP as a near > substitute? > > Tim Van Sant > NASA Goddard Space Flight Center > E-mail:tvansant@tecumseh.gsfc.nasa.gov (accepts NeXTmail) I just read in MacWeek that HP will be introducing a new line of color inkjet printers that feature Postscript Level 2, and 400 dpi in grayscale mode (300 dpi in color, I think). I think the prices w/Postscript were around $2000, and they are supposed to be introduced this summer. -- Matthew J. Grismer M M JJJJJJJJJJ GGGGGGGG 300 Cushing Hall MM MM J G University of Notre Dame M M M M J G GGGG e-mail: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu M M M M J G G NeXTmail preferred M M M M J J G G M MM M JJJJJ GGGGGGGG
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 2.89MB floppies and NS/i Message-ID: <1993Apr8.022440.5017@imani.cam.org> Date: 8 Apr 93 02:24:40 GMT Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Hi Will NeXTSTEP/intel support (either right away, or in the announced future) 2.88MB diskette drives available for PCs. I have seen some at around 300$ for drive+controller, so I am wondering if that would be a good idea for a future NeXTSTEP PC. Thanks Nicolas Dore
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: masud@invnext.worldbank.org (masud cader) Subject: Answers: Grabbing menus Message-ID: <1993Apr8.141432.23418@worldbank.org> Keywords: grab, services, documentation Sender: news@worldbank.org Organization: The World Bank, Washington, DC, USA Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:14:32 GMT Thanks to the many netfolk who replied. For thos who cannot recall, the question was: "How can one grab menus?" The answer/s: Although many suggested that grabbing the whole screen and then editing the tiff was the only way, some others pointed out that it could be done using IB and Services>Grab, and still others pointed out (perhaps the best solution) that windows and menus are the same...so grabbing the window but pointing to the menu (while grabbing) works just fine. Too many folks told me I was doing the right thing by grabbing the screen...hopefully this netpost will help some others. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Masud Cader Trading Analytics The World Bank masud@invnext.worldbank.org
From: support@gateway.vvi.com (support at VVI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: VVI Announces Technical Graphing Tool - Drafter Date: 7 Apr 1993 13:14:31 GMT Organization: VVimaging, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1puk3n$8n@gateway.vvi.com> Keywords: graph draw financial engineering Press Release _______________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release: VVI Inc. Announces Drafter State College, PA; April 7, 1993 - VVI, Inc. today announced the release of Drafter, the technical graphing application for business, financial, and engineering use. The Drafter products are a significant development in technical graphics which are not duplicated by any other NeXTSTEP product. Drafter is designed to plot, annotate, acquire, and edit your data. The clarity of its purpose translates into a clearly defined and powerful technical graphing tool. Within minutes you can create and edit graphs of your data. Every step is clearly indicated to give you pertinent information and immediate access to the graphing and page layout operations. Features include: - Graphics. Bezier curves, lines, rectangles, rtf, eps, quadrilateral image warping, text wrapping, groups, smoothing, rotating, skewing, scaling are but a few features available. - Data Graphics. Histogram, line, smoothed curve, areas, scatter, contours, and signals (animated data plotting). - Axes. Coordinates scale and shift using axis mouse controls, direct editing of axes labels, inspector editors, and magnification cross hairs. - Palettes. Palettes include standard labels and symbols used for technical graphing. The palettes may be edited to suit your purpose. - Inspector. All graphics, data graphics, and many more components have inspectors with editor sub-links and inter-editor links. - Mouse and Key Commands. All graphics, including data graphics, can be controlled through mouse and key commands. Rotation, translation, skewing, selecting, focusing, and point editing are but a few operations available. - Document Page Layout. Multiple plots per page, labels, titles, and overlapping plots or graphing areas may be layed out using familiar click and drag methods. - Compatibility. Drag and Drop file icons, support of color, copy and paste of Mathematica output cells (or Edit, etc), eps, tiff, and data parsers. Many other standard formats supported. - Help. Online help, context based hints, support by e-mail, and suggest by e-mail all make this application easy to use. - Customization. Custom graphics are incorporated on request, or dynamically loadable. The object and source code are available to permit the ultimate in custom graphics. - Custom Support. Full support and immediate replies are our trademark, we are a service company and a software company. Our customers are the center of our attention and help define our product development. For more information please contact us at VVI, Inc.; 311 Adams Ave.; State College, PA 16803 USA, or phone 814-234-9613. FAX: 814-234-9614. e-mail: support@vvi.com. #### VVI, Inc., headquartered in State College, PA, is a privately owned company which has been developing applications for NeXTSTEP and consulting for NeXTSTEP based projects since 1989. Drafter is a trademark of VVI, Inc. NeXT and NeXTSTEP are registered trademarks of NeXT, Inc. All other products mentioned are trademarks of their respective owners.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: Directory Icon for /tmp? Message-ID: <1993Apr8.121036.6111@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 12:10:36 GMT Anyone have a cool icon (.dir.tiff) for /tmp? Let's see them! Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Where can I buy an Intel P/GX? Date: 8 Apr 1993 14:33:56 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <1q1d4k$avm@umd5.umd.edu> Where can I buy an Intel P/GX? I've been trying to get in contact with ANDI's Bill Strehl for a week, but with no luck. Are there any other inexpensive sources? Thanks, Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <C565zC.1qz@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <1993Apr7.194748.21301@mic.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:38:00 GMT I'm not going to argue whether or not David Pollak is 'inconsistent' or not - that's not important, or even relevant. What's important is the quality of his product, Mesa 1.4. Clearly Mesa is the best spreadsheet per dollar that runs under NeXTSTEP. Improv is a beast and way too slow. The fact that Athena almost gives the spreadsheet away to educational users is fantastic. I wish NeXT has such a discount for NS/I! In addition, not only does Athena offer free upgrades for one year, they _notify_ you of new versions and tell you how to go about getting them. Most software companies figure you can find out about upgrades yourself (WP for instance). BTW I have dealt with Mr. Pollak several times. I found him very helpful and was pleased to find that he does make time for his customers. Thumbs up to Mesa and the folks at Athena! My only complaint is the slow netlink of their ftp server...8-) Eric One satisfied Mesa user. -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: "Steve Hayman" <sahayman@cs.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: NeXTOS and PPD files!?!?! Message-ID: <1993Apr8.112027.189@news.cs.indiana.edu> Organization: Objectario References: <C52wEI.KL3@dove.nist.gov> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 11:20:16 -0500 >The problem is that NeXTSTEP does NOT insert the >code for paper tray selection unless I save the postscript to disk with the >selection of "Postscript for Chosen Printer". > >Is there a way to PRINT with "Postscript for Chosen Printer"???? Disclaimer: I am going to answer this question based on my experience with spooling to a remote QMS printer, and I assume the answer in your case is related to the problems I had here. But I could be wrong. QMS's use their own remote-spooling code rather than the Unix lpd protocol, but I suspect this problem is related to remote non-NeXT-hosted printers in general. This is an annoying problem, but there is a workaround. The problem is that the code for paper tray selection is inserted into your document-to-be-printed as a PostScript comment, like this: %%Feature: *InputSlot Envelope and at some stage in the printing pipeline, this needs to be converted to actual postscript code to implement the feature, like this: %%BeginFeature: *InputSlot Envelope 3 statusdict /setpapertray get exec %%EndFeature When you print to a remote printer, it's assumed that the printing software on the remote end will take care of converting comments to code. Alas this doesn't always happen, especially when the remote printer is a directly-networked printer. In our case we had a QMS1700 with Ethernet interface which wasn't doing the right conversion. The workaround is to modify the printer defninition in NetInfo to run an input filter over the PostScript code before sending it off to the remote printer. You want a filter that converts the appropriate comments to the appropriate code. It just so happens that /NextLibrary/Services/PrintFilters.service/psprepare is such a filter. It takes a "-Pprintername" option. In our case, the QMS printer setup was already using a special input filter called "qfilter" to spool jobs over the network to the printer - i.e. there was an "if" property with value "/usr/local/lib/qfilter". (in traditional printcap terminology, ":if=/usr/local/lib/qfilter:") So, I created a trivial little shell script called NeXT_QMS_prefilter that looked like this #!/bin/sh /NextLibrary/Services/PrintFilters.service/psprepare -PQMS | /usr/local/lib/qfilter $* and modified netinfo so the value of the "if" property for the printer named "QMS" was "/usr/local/lib/NeXT_QMS_prefilter". that filter will be run with the data to be printed on stdin, and it just runs psprepare to change comments-to-code and hands everything off to QMS's supplied qfilter program, which handles remote spooling. If I was really doing this right I would parse the options that are passed to the input filter, and figure out the printer name from there (the filter is supplied "-p printername") so that I wouldn't have to embed "-PQMS" in the script itself. I am not sure what exactly you would need to do for the Tektronix since you can spool to it directly (without needing this "qfilter" hack.) Just make up a little script that runs "psprepare -PTextronix", and its output will go to stdout, and it should be spooled to the printer properly. I understand that in 3.1 there is an easier fix for this but I don't know what it is. Good luck, Steve Hayman Trimark Investment Management, Toronto shayman@trimark.com P.S. I am indebted (indirectly) to Mike_Byron and Allan_Denison at NeXT who explained this to me (indirectly, in a previous life :-)
From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr8.024903.3810@bluerose.com> Date: 8 Apr 93 02:49:03 GMT References: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> Sender: m@bluerose.com Distribution: na Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. In article <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > I have recently had some rather unpleasant conversations with the > people from Mesa. I tried to sell my educational license to someone > else (who would also qualify for an educational license). In response > to my note that resale agreements in the US stand on dubious legal > footing, I received: > > > If you think you have a legal leg to stand on, that's fine. Please > > note, however, that you agree to pay all reasonable costs associated > > with Athena Design enforcing the license agreement. If we learn of > > any more attempts on your part to transfer your license in the future, > > we will use legal means to enforce our licensing agreement At Blue Rose Systems, we haven't finalized our end user license agreement yet (because the software isn't done yet). I would like to know what readers think about this issue. How important is transferability when you purchase software? For students, would you rather get 80% off list and be able to transfer it (to another student) or get 90% off list and not be able to transfer it? Any other comments on this topic would be appreciated. M Carling President, Blue Rose Systems, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: barel@imag.fr (Max Barel) Subject: Why not 16Mb SIMMS on a nextstation? Message-ID: <C564qn.EE0@imag.fr> Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:11:10 GMT The 32 Mb barrier on our color station (non turbo) make the swapdisk (the internal 100 Meg shifted to this job since we have an external 2.5 GB) hardly working, especialy when running Mathematica and/or MouseX. I'd like to know why one can't use 16 Mb SIMMS, is it a hardware or software limitation ? Could one find a hack ? Even a tricky one ? -- Max Barel barel@imag.Fr max@cuefa.grenet.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: barel@imag.fr (Max Barel) Subject: X11 keymap for french NeXT Keyboard Message-ID: <C564tw.EIM@imag.fr> Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:13:08 GMT I recently dowloaded Mouse-X for the NeXT (X11R5). It's great. Thank to Douglas Scott. But, we use a french keyboard ... Im looking for a corresponding keymap file (to feed xmodmap). By the way is there a way to configure DEFAULT serveur mapping of Mouse-X ? -- Max Barel barel@imag.Fr max@cuefa.grenet.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: conway@trade.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) Subject: Trading TIFFs Message-ID: <1993Apr8.175419.18338@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Marlboro, MA Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 17:54:19 GMT Hi, does anyone know where to get stock market or financial trading-related icons? TIFF or otherwise. Thanks - Mark
From: somaiya@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Sandeep Somaiya) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: C++ on NeXTSTEP - Help Message-ID: <4263@creatures.cs.vt.edu> Date: 8 Apr 93 18:32:37 GMT Sender: usenet@creatures.cs.vt.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA Hi, I am new to development on NeXTSTEP. A couple of questions for NeXT developers: (i) How do you compile C++ code on NeXT 2.0/NeXT 3.0; Has someone written any FAQ's or guidelines on it? (ii)If one was able to get code in C++ can it be easily incorporated with the Interface Builder? What are the frequently problems? (iii)Restating the above question:Are all objects to be used with the Interface builder need class definitions in Objective-C or is C++ fine? If so, how do you go about it? Thanx in advance, - Vikram
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr8.020020.342@pyrian.com> Sender: ian@pyrian.com Organization: PYRIAN Software Group References: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 02:00:20 GMT There seems to be this same mentality in the NeXT arena. IP Design will not allow you to transfer your license and gets very verbal when the subject comes up. These companies should be happy that we what to legally transfer ownership instead of passing out lots of copies to our friends / associates. I am very careful now before I purchase ANYTHING for the NeXT. I allow people to transfer ownership of products I sell, but charge a small fee for doing so. So far no one has minded. In article <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > I have recently had some rather unpleasant conversations with the > people from Mesa. I tried to sell my educational license to someone > else (who would also qualify for an educational license). In response > to my note that resale agreements in the US stand on dubious legal > footing, I received: > > > If you think you have a legal leg to stand on, that's fine. Please > > note, however, that you agree to pay all reasonable costs associated > > with Athena Design enforcing the license agreement. If we learn of > > any more attempts on your part to transfer your license in the future, > > we will use legal means to enforce our licensing agreement > > > > David [Pollack] (who happens to be a lawyer) > > This attitude also means that you cannot count on upgrade paths, of > course. You are at David's mercy. > > > My advice: buy Appsoft, WingZ or Improv if you ever think of > transferring computers. I certainly wish I had never bought Mesa. > Furthermore, Mesa itself has some severe shortcomings, ranging from a > variety of graphics bugs to saved worksheets that take up 3 times as > much as comparable worksheets on your disk. > > > I am really perplexed by David's schizophrenic personality. He has > been very responsive to some problems, and very unreasonable about > others. > > /ivo welch > -- Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 Pyrian Software Group | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com NeXTSTEP Programming Novice..but lovin it | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK?
From: neubert@cup.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: More reasons to port to DEC Alpha!!! Message-ID: <1993Apr8.141137.256@cup.edu> Date: 8 Apr 93 19:11:36 GMT References: <1993Mar27.014533.9455@news.miami.edu> <1993Mar29.132454.1098@bernina.ethz.ch> Organization: California University of Pennsylvania, California, PA In article <1993Mar29.132454.1098@bernina.ethz.ch>, marcel@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel) writes: > In article <1993Mar27.014533.9455@news.miami.edu> mattocks@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu (Craig A. Mattocks) writes: >>Besides being based on the OSF Mach operating system, and giving "screaming" >>peformance (10-12 times faster than SPARCstation 2), I have heard the following >>rumors on the DEC Alpha architecture: > > What I've seen from Alpha is not at all "screaming". It's quite lousy > for the hardware effort you have to spend. Dealing with 300 MHz > signals is *awful*, especially if you want to design a multiprocessor > board, where clocks should be synchronous (~60 cm is a full clock > cycle!). Could be the reason DEC seems more interested in DECnet type configs for multiple AXPs rather than SMP or parallel boxes (a la SPARCserver 2000, etc). John Neubert > > -Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <C56K63.AuL@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <1993Apr8.020020.342@pyrian.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 19:44:26 GMT In article <1993Apr8.020020.342@pyrian.com> ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) writes: > These companies should be happy that we what to legally > transfer ownership instead of passing out lots of copies > to our friends / associates. Now this is a just a tad ridiculous wouldn't you say? These companies should be _happy_ that we aren't breaking the law? Wow, you make it sound like they really don't have a right to make a buck on hard work, and that piracy is the norm. Piracy is a serious crime; plain and simple it's stealing. Since many of the folks who read and post here are developers I'd guess they know first hand how much it hurts software development. Don't get me wrong - I hate copy protection, but with your attitude I can see why it's necessary. If a transferable license is so damn important then don't buy a non-transferable license. It's really that simple. -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
From: tracy@artemis (Tracy Kugelman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Date: 8 Apr 1993 21:07:34 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1q246n$ran@hermes.athena.com> References: <1993Apr8.020020.342@pyrian.com> Ian: Just to let you know. Mesa is available on archives around this country and in Europe. We have made this demo version with the ability to do everything that Mesa can accept that the spreadsheet size is limited to 32 X 32 cells. This includes features like "SAVE". In addition, Mesa software disks are freely distributable. If you share the disks with someone they will get a spreadsheet that runs just like the demo version available on the net. What is not transferrable are the license and enabling code of an educational license. This license is available to all educational users at an 80% discount. We have a special offer for colleges and universities available until April 15th that over 100 colleges and universities have taken advantage of. We are giving free 25 user copies of Mesa to universities with student labs. We have tried to be sensitive to all of our users and remember when we were back in school and had no money. That's why we make it available to student for 80% off the retail price. If the ability to transfer a license legally is that important they can buy a commercial version of Mesa and pay retail. This version is transferrable. We have also put CultureShock into the public domain. This game was written by David Pollak and is now available in NS and NS FIP versions on some archives. This product is now free. I hope that you understand that we are trying to develop quality software at a reasonable price that allows us to stay in business to keep producing quality software at a reasonable price and so on. Mesa is returnable within 30 days. What more can we do? In article <1993Apr8.020020.342@pyrian.com> ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) writes: > There seems to be this same mentality in the NeXT arena. > IP Design will not allow you to transfer your license > and gets very verbal when the subject comes up. > These companies should be happy that we what to legally > transfer ownership instead of passing out lots of copies > to our friends / associates. I am very careful now before I > purchase ANYTHING for the NeXT. > > I allow people to transfer ownership of products I sell, but > charge a small fee for doing so. So far no one has minded. > > > > -- > Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 > Pyrian Software Group | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com > NeXTSTEP Programming Novice..but lovin it | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Tracy Kugelman, Director tel. 1.617.734.MESA (6372) Sales and Marketing fax 1.617.734.1130 Athena Design 17 St. Mary's Court
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: "Steve Hayman" <sahayman@cs.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: NeXTOS and PPD files!?!?! Message-ID: <1993Apr8.162815.5549@news.cs.indiana.edu> Organization: Objectario References: <C52wEI.KL3@dove.nist.gov> <1993Apr8.112027.189@news.cs.indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 16:27:53 -0500 Um, in retrospect the solution I was suggesting won't work exactly as stated, 'cause I think lpd only runs the "if=" input filter on the machine which it thinks is actually doing the spooling - i.e. the machine named by the "rm=" thing and if you had "rm=actualPrinterItself", nobody would run the custom input filter. I am sure thre is a way around this, possibly by having all your NeXTs spool your output to a central NeXT, and having that one run the input filter *but* as the last stage in the filter, after the postscript has been filtered through psprepare, pipe it into "lpr -PTheActualPrinter". A two-stage process, using two printer definitions in NetInfo. Not the most elegant solution but it might work well enough.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr8.145742.3780@mic.ucla.edu> Keywords: Spreadsheets Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management References: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> Date: 8 Apr 93 14:57:41 PDT Mesa is quite a good program. It did have some minor bugs, and I have run into a few of them. Plus, David Pollack has been very helpful in the past. (That's why I was so shocked.) None of my other educational licenses were non-transferable to other educational users. I did not realize Mesa's special case when I signed (in fact, I would have unknowingly agreed to slavery; I am perhaps a bit too naive in assuming certain features to be common.) Did you read all your software licenses? All I want to point out: The $99 edu Mesa special is for a non-transferable license. You sell your NeXT, you are out of a full $99. Further, Mesa has aggressive legal policies. If you purchase, say, Appsoft's Solution for $99, you get a full transferable spreadsheet. You sell your NeXT, you are probably out of $30. Your choice. /Ivo Welch
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Printer on ethernet or PC??? Date: 8 Apr 1993 23:08:26 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1q2b9aINNc21@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: NeXT Printer, ethernet interface, 486 How can we run our spiffy NeXT laser printers on PC's under NeXTSTEP 486 (other than shipping files to a NeXT working as a print server)? If somebody would come up with an ethernet interface for a NeXT printer I bet it would sell. -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: One way to forward mail to different mailboxes. Date: 9 Apr 1993 00:39:42 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1q2gkeINNj6n@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: mail, mailforward, mailbox Since I posted my original question on how to forward mail to different mailboxes, I've received numerous requests for the answers. The first thing to do is to get the following: mailforward (readily available) perl (also readily available) Uncompress and untar and you're halfway there. The trick to installing perl on a NeXT is to be aware the the include files are in two different directories: /usr/include/ansi and /usr/include/bsd. Either tell the configure script to look in both places or create one linked directory, otherwise it's pretty straightforward. Mailforward is a perl script that sorts the incoming mail according to user specified strings in the mail header. Installation is relatively simple; however, to work correctly the destination mailboxes must not be open or all the mail winds up in Active.mbox (or the default), even if mail is hidden. Hope this helps. -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: aelman@cs.stanford.edu Subject: Re: What a BUG!!! Message-ID: <1993Apr9.004114.29333@leland.Stanford.EDU> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Apr8.094729.14479@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 00:41:14 GMT In article <1993Apr8.094729.14479@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: > Hi, > > For those of you who's doing the programming stuff, I just > discovered a severe bug that could happen in your program code too. > The bug is on strcpy(). > > char myAppPath[128], *path; > > path = [[workspace Application] getApplicationFullPath:"myApp"]; > strcpy(myAppPath,path); > > > This works fine until someday when your app is forgotten by > workspace. For example,someone installs it and runs it right away before > doing the log out and log back in first. > > path would get NULL from the workspace search.... > And then strcpy(....) becomes strcpy(myAppPath,NULL)...... > So, you think nothing would be copied into myAppPath???? WRONG!! > The program would die without a clue to trace. > > Gary Yeah -- I hit this bug a whole bunch of times in my final project for a NeXT programming class I took last quarter. The bug is in the strcpy -- the string.h string functions crash if you pass them NULL pointers. I ended up putting "if (string != NULL)" before every single string function, but that was only because I had a deadline. What I really want is a C++ string class that overrides a whole bunch of operators (assignment, char * representation, maybe even an automatic NXAtom representation -- I think C++ can do that :-). The nice thing about doing it in C++ as opposed to Objective-C is that you can make it virtually transparent; just use it where it looks like it should be used. I think gcc supports C++ as well as Obj-C -- am I wrong? And more importantly, has someone done this kind of thing already (you'd think somebody would have...)? Thanks, Adam Elman aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Subject: Re: Directory Icon for /tmp? In-Reply-To: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com's message of Thu, 8 Apr 1993 12:10:36 GMT Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Apr9000113@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: news@dannug.dk (Usenet news owner) Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group References: <1993Apr8.121036.6111@hot.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 23:01:13 GMT >>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr 1993 12:10:36 GMT, Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com said: Robert> Anyone have a cool icon (.dir.tiff) for /tmp? Let's see them! Well...Have you thought about, that all contents of /tmp will be removed by every reboot???? Including any .dir.tiff Karsten.
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 2.89MB floppies and NS/i Date: 9 Apr 1993 01:19:49 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1q2ivlINNr3q@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Apr8.022440.5017@imani.cam.org> In article <1993Apr8.022440.5017@imani.cam.org>, nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: |> Hi |> |> Will NeXTSTEP/intel support (either right away, or in the announced |> future) 2.88MB diskette drives available for PCs. I have seen some at |> around 300$ for drive+controller, so I am wondering if that would be a |> good idea for a future NeXTSTEP PC. |> |> Thanks |> |> Nicolas Dore I thought some machines such as some of the IBM machines were shipping with 2.88MB floppies. Its been so long since I followed the goings on in PC land that I can't say if they are still doing so and on what machines.
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Date: 9 Apr 1993 01:33:36 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: na Message-ID: <1q2jpgINNr3q@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> <1993Apr8.024903.3810@bluerose.com> In article <1993Apr8.024903.3810@bluerose.com>, M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: |> |> At Blue Rose Systems, we haven't finalized our end user license agreement |> yet (because the software isn't done yet). I would like to know what |> readers think about this issue. How important is transferability when you |> purchase software? For students, would you rather get 80% off list and be |> able to transfer it (to another student) or get 90% off list and not be |> able to transfer it? |> |> Any other comments on this topic would be appreciated. |> |> M Carling |> President, Blue Rose Systems, Inc. This is a good question, one which I think is dificult to answer, but I shall try to start in the hope of spurring others to comment. The restriction of not being able to transfer a edu version to a non edu user must be considered reasonable. If the price was $50 then I would have to say that restricting the transfer to an edu user is also reasonable, give that you are aking the supplier to transfer sending info about updates etc to someone else which is a cost and at $50 if you've had it for a reasonable amout of time then you have to consider after all got a reasonable return on your investment. After all nintendo games cost about $50 and last all of what 2 weeks. After that I'm in to many minds to decided: john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: Rebinding function keys Message-ID: <1993Apr9.013642.1510@leland.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: enter, lfd Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 01:36:42 GMT I would like to bind the "Enter" key on my NeXT station keyboard in Emacs to linefeed. Does anyone know how this might be accomplished? I have tried things like: (define-key function-keymap "e" 'newline-and-indent) but it doesn't seem to work. Thanks, -- Magnus Nordborg Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr9.023925.6549@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1q246n$ran@hermes.athena.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 02:39:25 GMT In article <1q246n$ran@hermes.athena.com> tracy@artemis (Tracy Kugelman) writes: > I hope that you understand that we are trying to develop quality software > at a reasonable price that allows us to stay in business to keep producing > quality software at a reasonable price and so on. > What more can we do? Back in the dark days of evil csna flame wars, Dave Pollack and I had at each other like rabid dogs. I also don't care for the 123-style of spreadsheets, and far prefer some of the ideas Improv advanced. Imagine then Dave's shock as I now claim that his company's implementation of their demo and licensing policy is incredibly wonderful, offering great value for reasonable trade-offs. The above question "What more can we do?" should hang over the heads of complaining users bowed in shame for flaming a good company with a *fair*, clearly stated purchasing deal for academic usage. Perhaps with reasonable user feedback Athena will consider a minimal license transfer fee, say $20, which should satisfy the needs of all. And as for Improv, well shit, what has Lotus done for me and my NeXT lately? -- Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu
From: rab@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? Message-ID: <C571pJ.9v2.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 93 02:03:11 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.C571pJ.9v2.2 References: <1pqcre$mtr@umd5.umd.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon > > How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? The system I'm interested > in has an Adaptec 1542B SCSI adapter, with an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro > local bus video adapter. It is only ISI based, so my concern is that IO > will be slow. However, the Gateway salesman said that the 1542B is actually > faster than the local bus IDE controller (which sounds like a load to me). > I have a Gateway 4dx2-66V with the Adaptec 1542B and NeXTStep runs fine. I have a benchmark test that I run that measures (at least for my purposes) a combination of CPU speed and memory (RAM) access. It does not test video performance or disk access. Anyway given these caveats, the relevant numbers are: NeXT 68040 (25MHz) cube: 1.0 units of time 66MHz Gateway running NeXTStep (March Beta): 0.57 units of time 66MHz Gateway running Windows NT (Oct Beta): 0.78 units of time In other words the Gateway running NeXTStep is almost twice the speed of 25MHz 040. I also included the windows NT datapoint if anyone had any interest and NeXTStep beats Windows NT. I haven't yet had a chance to run the same benchmark on the March Windows NT Beta (sorry). Hope this makes sense and is useful. Bob Brennan rab@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <j!l50=b@rpi.edu> References: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 03:50:06 GMT iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > I have recently had some rather unpleasant conversations with the > people from Mesa. I tried to sell my educational license to someone > else (who would also qualify for an educational license). [...Athena not happy about such, as outlined in the agreement...] I think I'd just respond to the rather bold pronouncement in the title. Athena gives educational users a *great* buy with Mesa pricing. The idea that it's "not a good buy" is, um, obnoxious to me. I don't care whether you can transfer the license or not, the deal is an *excellent* savings for the student. > My advice: buy Appsoft, WingZ or Improv if you ever think of > transferring computers. I certainly wish I had never bought Mesa. So what's the educational price for WingZ and Improv? I mean, I like Improv as well as Mesa, but I wouldn't recommend people spend that much more for a package simply because the Mesa educational license was not transferable. If you think that spending more $$$ is acceptable, then don't buy the educational deal from Athena. Spend the additional money on Mesa and get the full license, which you can transfer if you're so inclined. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: j1b192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (David Tai Wai Ng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Arrow keys bindings Date: 8 Apr 1993 21:47:37 -0700 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <1q2v59INNrl0@gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca> Hi, I would like to have the arrow keys work in csh. However the method outlined in FAQ seems not working. Anybody have a clue to this? Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <C57Bt4.2qD@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> <1993Apr8.024903.3810@bluerose.com> <1q2jpgINNr3q@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 05:41:28 GMT In article <1q2jpgINNr3q@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: [ ] >After all nintendo games cost about >$50 and last all of what 2 weeks. I've been at Zelda and the SuperMario World games for months without success. In fact I fully expect the lifetime of a SNES game to be at least 6 months. If it were 2 weeks, I'd have to take out another mortgage. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: Robert.Brennan@f716.n109.z1.his.com (Robert Brennan) Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? Message-ID: <734345069.AA00412@his.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 04:03:11 Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon > > How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? The system I'm interested > in has an Adaptec 1542B SCSI adapter, with an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro > local bus video adapter. It is only ISI based, so my concern is that IO > will be slow. However, the Gateway salesman said that the 1542B is actually > faster than the local bus IDE controller (which sounds like a load to me). > I have a Gateway 4dx2-66V with the Adaptec 1542B and NeXTStep runs fine. I have a benchmark test that I run that measures (at least for my purposes) a combination of CPU speed and memory (RAM) access. It does not test video performance or disk access. Anyway given these caveats, the relevant numbers are: NeXT 68040 (25MHz) cube: 1.0 units of time 66MHz Gateway running NeXTStep (March Beta): 0.57 units of time 66MHz Gateway running Windows NT (Oct Beta): 0.78 units of time In other words the Gateway running NeXTStep is almost twice the speed of 25MHz 040. I also included the windows NT datapoint if anyone had any interest and NeXTStep beats Windows NT. I haven't yet had a chance to run the same benchmark on the March Windows NT Beta (sorry). Hope this makes sense and is useful. Bob Brennan rab@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <C57Co7.366@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Apr6.071315.29046@qb.rhein-main.de> <KARTHY.93Apr6222429@dannug.dannug.dk> <1pvae2INNnr1@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 05:59:52 GMT madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: >Mail.app uses /usr/ucb/compress, so you should not replace /usr/ucb/compress >with gzip. At least not without changing Mail. Which you can. You can use >Edit (yes, I mean the text editor Edit application) to find and change the >occurence of /usr/ucb/compress with whatever you want, so long as it has >exactly the same number of characters. This isn't the problem... it is that my friend across the country doesn't have gzip linked to /usr/ucb/zcat on her NeXTStation... so if mine is compressed with the much better gzip compression, her zcat can't handle it. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: SoundWorks Release 3.0 (BETA) Message-ID: <C57D73.4J9@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <C5537I.19o@infoserv.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 06:11:13 GMT kent@infoserv.com writes: >SoundWorks also supports just about any sound format you give it: >NeXT - .snd >Sun/DEC - .au >Amiga/SGI - .aiff >SoundBlaster - .voc >IBM/DOS - .wav >IRCAM Soundfile - .sf >Raw data - .raw or .data How about getting Matthias Zepf's code for .mod's and adding it... (can't live without euro-techno-trash... :-)) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: "Steve.Hayman"@f716.n109.z1.his.com ("Steve Hayman") Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTOS and PPD files!?!?! Message-ID: <734345081.AA00530@his.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1993 18:27:53 Organization: Objectario Um, in retrospect the solution I was suggesting won't work exactly as stated, 'cause I think lpd only runs the "if=" input filter on the machine which it thinks is actually doing the spooling - i.e. the machine named by the "rm=" thing and if you had "rm=actualPrinterItself", nobody would run the custom input filter. I am sure thre is a way around this, possibly by having all your NeXTs spool your output to a central NeXT, and having that one run the input filter *but* as the last stage in the filter, after the postscript has been filtered through psprepare, pipe it into "lpr -PTheActualPrinter". A two-stage process, using two printer definitions in NetInfo. Not the most elegant solution but it might work well enough.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Directory Icon for /tmp? Message-ID: <C57DCL.4x4@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Apr8.121036.6111@hot.com> <KARTHY.93Apr9000113@dannug.dannug.dk> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 06:14:30 GMT karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) writes: >>>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr 1993 12:10:36 GMT, Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com said: >Robert> Anyone have a cool icon (.dir.tiff) for /tmp? Let's see them! >Well...Have you thought about, that all contents of /tmp will be >removed by every reboot???? Including any .dir.tiff If you add to the line: (cd /tmp; find . ! -name . ! -name lost+found ! -name quotas \ -exec rm -r - {} \; ) in /etc/rc, you can make it skip .dir.tiff... (in UNIX, there's a workaround for almost everything) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: Ivo.Welch@f716.n109.z1.his.com (Ivo Welch) Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <734345081.AA00681@his.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1993 16:57:41 Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Mesa is quite a good program. It did have some minor bugs, and I have run into a few of them. Plus, David Pollack has been very helpful in the past. (That's why I was so shocked.) None of my other educational licenses were non-transferable to other educational users. I did not realize Mesa's special case when I signed (in fact, I would have unknowingly agreed to slavery; I am perhaps a bit too naive in assuming certain features to be common.) Did you read all your software licenses? All I want to point out: The $99 edu Mesa special is for a non-transferable license. You sell your NeXT, you are out of a full $99. Further, Mesa has aggressive legal policies. If you purchase, say, Appsoft's Solution for $99, you get a full transferable spreadsheet. You sell your NeXT, you are probably out of $30. Your choice. /Ivo Welch
From: Bryan.Milligan@f716.n109.z1.his.com (Bryan Milligan) Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: One way to forward mail to different mailboxes. Message-ID: <734345121.AA00741@his.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 02:39:42 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Since I posted my original question on how to forward mail to different mailboxes, I've received numerous requests for the answers. The first thing to do is to get the following: mailforward (readily available) perl (also readily available) Uncompress and untar and you're halfway there. The trick to installing perl on a NeXT is to be aware the the include files are in two different directories: /usr/include/ansi and /usr/include/bsd. Either tell the configure script to look in both places or create one linked directory, otherwise it's pretty straightforward. Mailforward is a perl script that sorts the incoming mail according to user specified strings in the mail header. Installation is relatively simple; however, to work correctly the destination mailboxes must not be open or all the mail winds up in Active.mbox (or the default), even if mail is hidden. Hope this helps. -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
From: aelman@f716.n109.z1.his.com (aelman) Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What a BUG!!! Message-ID: <734345121.AA00754@his.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 02:41:14 Organization: DSO, Stanford University In article <1993Apr8.094729.14479@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: > Hi, > > For those of you who's doing the programming stuff, I just > discovered a severe bug that could happen in your program code too. > The bug is on strcpy(). > > char myAppPath[128], *path; > > path = [[workspace Application] getApplicationFullPath:"myApp"]; > strcpy(myAppPath,path); > > > This works fine until someday when your app is forgotten by > workspace. For example,someone installs it and runs it right away before > doing the log out and log back in first. > > path would get NULL from the workspace search.... > And then strcpy(....) becomes strcpy(myAppPath,NULL)...... > So, you think nothing would be copied into myAppPath???? WRONG!! > The program would die without a clue to trace. > > Gary Yeah -- I hit this bug a whole bunch of times in my final project for a NeXT programming class I took last quarter. The bug is in the strcpy -- the string.h string functions crash if you pass them NULL pointers. I ended up putting "if (string != NULL)" before every single string function, but that was only because I had a deadline. What I really want is a C++ string class that overrides a whole bunch of operators (assignment, char * representation, maybe even an automatic NXAtom representation -- I think C++ can do that :-). The nice thing about doing it in C++ as opposed to Objective-C is that you can make it virtually transparent; just use it where it looks like it should be used. I think gcc supports C++ as well as Obj-C -- am I wrong? And more importantly, has someone done this kind of thing already (you'd think somebody would have...)? Thanks, Adam Elman aelman@cs.stanford.edu
From: Karsten.Thygesen@f716.n109.z1.his.com (Karsten Thygesen) Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Directory Icon for /tmp? Message-ID: <734345121.AA00766@his.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 01:01:13 Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group >>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr 1993 12:10:36 GMT, Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com said: Robert> Anyone have a cool icon (.dir.tiff) for /tmp? Let's see them! Well...Have you thought about, that all contents of /tmp will be removed by every reboot???? Including any .dir.tiff Karsten.
From: John.G.Shirlaw@f716.n109.z1.his.com (John G Shirlaw) Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 2.89MB floppies and NS/i Message-ID: <734345121.AA00810@his.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 03:19:49 Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology In article <1993Apr8.022440.5017@imani.cam.org>, nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: |> Hi |> |> Will NeXTSTEP/intel support (either right away, or in the announced |> future) 2.88MB diskette drives available for PCs. I have seen some at |> around 300$ for drive+controller, so I am wondering if that would be a |> good idea for a future NeXTSTEP PC. |> |> Thanks |> |> Nicolas Dore I thought some machines such as some of the IBM machines were shipping with 2.88MB floppies. Its been so long since I followed the goings on in PC land that I can't say if they are still doing so and on what machines.
From: John.G.Shirlaw@f716.n109.z1.his.com (John G Shirlaw) Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <734345121.AA00832@his.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 03:33:36 Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology In article <1993Apr8.024903.3810@bluerose.com>, M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: |> |> At Blue Rose Systems, we haven't finalized our end user license agreement |> yet (because the software isn't done yet). I would like to know what |> readers think about this issue. How important is transferability when you |> purchase software? For students, would you rather get 80% off list and be |> able to transfer it (to another student) or get 90% off list and not be |> able to transfer it? |> |> Any other comments on this topic would be appreciated. |> |> M Carling |> President, Blue Rose Systems, Inc. This is a good question, one which I think is dificult to answer, but I shall try to start in the hope of spurring others to comment. The restriction of not being able to transfer a edu version to a non edu user must be considered reasonable. If the price was $50 then I would have to say that restricting the transfer to an edu user is also reasonable, give that you are aking the supplier to transfer sending info about updates etc to someone else which is a cost and at $50 if you've had it for a reasonable amout of time then you have to consider after all got a reasonable return on your investment. After all nintendo games cost about $50 and last all of what 2 weeks. After that I'm in to many minds to decided: john.
From: Magnus.Nordborg@f716.n109.z1.his.com (Magnus Nordborg) Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rebinding function keys Message-ID: <734345121.AA00860@his.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 03:36:42 Organization: DSO, Stanford University I would like to bind the "Enter" key on my NeXT station keyboard in Emacs to linefeed. Does anyone know how this might be accomplished? I have tried things like: (define-key function-keymap "e" 'newline-and-indent) but it doesn't seem to work. Thanks, -- Magnus Nordborg Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred)
From: Nathan.F..Janette@f716.n109.z1.his.com (Nathan F. Janette) Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <734345121.AA00943@his.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 04:39:25 Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT In article <1q246n$ran@hermes.athena.com> tracy@artemis (Tracy Kugelman) writes: > I hope that you understand that we are trying to develop quality software > at a reasonable price that allows us to stay in business to keep producing > quality software at a reasonable price and so on. > What more can we do? Back in the dark days of evil csna flame wars, Dave Pollack and I had at each other like rabid dogs. I also don't care for the 123-style of spreadsheets, and far prefer some of the ideas Improv advanced. Imagine then Dave's shock as I now claim that his company's implementation of their demo and licensing policy is incredibly wonderful, offering great value for reasonable trade-offs. The above question "What more can we do?" should hang over the heads of complaining users bowed in shame for flaming a good company with a *fair*, clearly stated purchasing deal for academic usage. Perhaps with reasonable user feedback Athena will consider a minimal license transfer fee, say $20, which should satisfy the needs of all. And as for Improv, well shit, what has Lotus done for me and my NeXT lately? -- Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu
From: Walter.C..Daugherity@f716.n109.z1.his.com (Walter C. Daugherity) Sender: UUCP@his.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Printer on ethernet or PC??? Message-ID: <734345162.AA01049@his.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 01:08:26 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX How can we run our spiffy NeXT laser printers on PC's under NeXTSTEP 486 (other than shipping files to a NeXT working as a print server)? If somebody would come up with an ethernet interface for a NeXT printer I bet it would sell. -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: 2.89MB floppies and NS/i Message-ID: <1993Apr9.015230.6189@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr8.022440.5017@imani.cam.org> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 01:52:30 GMT In article <1993Apr8.022440.5017@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > Hi > > Will NeXTSTEP/intel support (either right away, or in the announced > future) 2.88MB diskette drives available for PCs. I have seen some at > around 300$ for drive+controller, so I am wondering if that would be a > good idea for a future NeXTSTEP PC. Not right away. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Apr9034138@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 9 Apr 93 03:41:38 References: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> <1993Apr8.024903.3810@bluerose.com> Distribution: na Organization: Is a sign of weakness In-reply-to: M_Carling@BlueRose.com's message of 8 Apr 93 02:49:03 GMT In article <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu>, M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >At Blue Rose Systems, we haven't finalized our end user license >agreement yet (because the software isn't done yet). I would like >to know what readers think about this issue. How important is >transferability when you purchase software? For students, would you >rather get 80% off list and be able to transfer it (to another >student) or get 90% off list and not be able to transfer it? This Is Just My Opinion, as a non-end-user (I don't buy software, since I have fairly limited needs, and little of the software out there meets them :-). So, take it with a grain of salt ... I present this opinion in terms more general than just "how transferability is handled", but it applies nonetheless. The way I see it, you can distribute users/customers across a spectrum. To the positive are those that are more than willing to give you their money because they find your product useful. To the negative are those who are completely unwilling to use a for-money product at all. On the negative side you have those who are willing to rip you off (ie, use your product without paying, or paying for only a fraction of their copies). On the positive side you have those who simply don't think about it, but would pay up if they did think about it. And, of course, you have the fence-sitters, who can go either way. - | + ................................................................. won't rip-you fence buy-if-thinks happy buy off sitters about-it to-buy Most developers pretty much disregard everyone except the rip-you-off people. They concentrate all of their energies on preventing those people from ripping them off, quoting things like "$800 billion lost in 1992 to software pirates". I think of this as the "antagonistic" approach. Unfortunately, it's a losing battle. These people _will_ rip you off if they want your product - and if they don't want your product, I doubt they'd pay you for it anyhow. There are a number of problems with the antagonistic approach. First off, it sucks up a lot of time and energy which could otherwise be put to productive use. In this way it is sort of like lawyers - lawyers are trained to win conflicts with other lawyers, either in court or in a virtual sense (such as writing a contract). Though in localized cases lawyers can be a positive (ie, in a lawsuit the winner's lawyer is a positive thing), overall lawyers do not provide a heckuva lot of net forward progress to humanity as a whole. [This opinion on lawyers really only applies to civil activities. It's also obviously overly simplified (of course, it sometimes seems that lawyers thrive on obfuscation :-)] On the deverloper side, you're spending all your time trying to make your product safer, while someone out there is probably _enjoying_ cracking it and using it for free. And when they are done, they think they _deserve_ to use it due to all the time they put into cracking it! At base, "If you can run it, you can crack it." I have no idea who said that originally, but it is completely true. So far as protecting your software, there is _no_ silver bullet. Assume that people _will_ use it illegally. Other than copy protection, there are many other ways to lose productivity with antagonistic approaches. Spending time with lawyers working out contracts which give the customer no freedom is antagonistic. Writing nasty letters to customers is antagonistic. Posting messages justifying why you think your side is right is antagonistic (obviously the other side thinks you are wrong, correct?). Whether or not any of this work pans out in the end, it _does_ require time. In fact, it seems like many companies spent nearly as much time protecting their software as they do _writing_ it! Worse than the lost productivity is the fact that antagonistic approaches to software distribution are likely to alienate anyone who's more to the positive than the rip-you-off people. People have been upset over this type of thing (witness the periodic AppSoft and Mathematica threads on this subject), are getting upset over it (witness this very thread), and I can assure you that they will get upset over it in the future (film at 11). Upset customers are _not_ happy customers, and unhappy customers are not good for a company. Especially when they have network access, and thus the chance to generate large numbers of unhappy potential customers. What's the solution? Well, in my opinion, there is no guaranteed solution. I don't even think there's an acceptable one. Thus, in my dealings I've taken the stance that rather than prevent the people left of the fence-sitters from ripping me off, I'll just try to catch everyone from the fence-sitters on over to the happy-to-buy people. I just don't think that the rip-you-off people are worth the bother, and I don't care to take the chance of pushing the fence-sitters into the rip-you-off category. There are lots of ways to do this. For instance, allowing full transferability is one. Rather than restricting people from transferring licenses, I think the better alternative is to restrict the term of a license so that it can't be perpetually transferred. The only time license transfer really hurts you is if that license becomes a historical artifact, having been transferred through tens of owners. One or two transfers will not hurt a bit - in fact, since the person making the transfer is probably motivated to sell, it's likely that the transfer will be made to a person who otherwise would not have purchased the product. That's a net gain, because the person making the transfer generally won't need upgrades in the future whether they transfer the license or not, but the person purchasing the transfer might or might not upgrade - but at least there's a chance. Another way is to distribute demo copies with built-in demo licenses. In some programs there are obvious places where a couple lines can be removed to cripple the program for _real_ usage, but which allow people to see everything in action before making their decision. But, most developers seem to take the tack of having the program run for a certain amount of time before crashing. In that case, a two minute timeout will likely lose you customers - whereas a twenty minute timeout should work much better. If the customer can't do enough work with a product to verify that it can be useful, they are _not_ going to buy it. Lots of NeXT programs have network keys which enable some number of copies to run at once. In this case, rather than simply terminate the program if too many copies are running, instead inform the user of the fact, and also inform the system administrator, and then let the user continue with their work. If the situation continues, inform them again (ie, be _slightly_ annoying). If the company is at all decent, they'll take heed and purchase more licenses, in which case you win. If they are _not_ decent, then they'll probably just make their employees live with the few licenses they already own, in which case it really makes no difference whether you terminate the program or let them work but annoy them periodically. In a more general sense, use the license keys as a means of informing users whether the software is licensed or not, and rely on them to have a conscience. In a lot of network cases, users simply don't realize that they are using 50 copies of a program with only three licenses. In fact, often the system administrator doesn't realize this, either. Stated more baldly, assume that the user is decent, but _don't_ assume that they are going to remember to be decent. So kindly remind them if need be. Don't treat them like a criminal, because if they are innocent, you'll alienate them, and if they're guilty they probably already realize that they're being criminal. In either case, you lose. One thing I find annoying about the NeXT market is that there appears to be this need to price products up in the stratosphere somewhere. There are _far_ too many products that sell educational versions for 10% of the list price. While I think it's great that they make this bow to educational users, I think they're just shooting themselves in the foot with these prices. Most of the time they seem to be shooting for the market of people that absolutely must have their product. Obviously, these people will gladly pay most any price - they have no choice. I think more companies need to target that group of people that would purchase their products because the price is decent, even if the product will not be an essential part of those people's work. Besides, I'd be much happier selling a couple thousand copies @$100/per rather than selling a couple hundred copies @$800/per plus another couple hundred educational copies @$80/per. If educational purchasers are buying your product just because it's cheap, that's probably how they'll use it, too - just because they have nothing better to do with their time. [Lest people accuse me of being pollyanna-ish and start saying "But come, now, this is the real world" ... well, put up or shut up. I've sold more than 1200 total licenses from this mindset. There _are_ a lot of selfish people out there, and that makes me unhappy - but, I've found that the positive people far outweigh the selfish. They make it all worthwhile. I don't make alot of money from my shareware, but I think I get more enjoyment out of it than many do who charge 8 and 12 times as much per copy ... In an ironic note, many of the same people who spend all sorts of time and energy on protecting their intellectual property abuse _my_ intellectual property without a second's thought (and you know who you are). In fact, it's not just shareware that's abused. In my experiences with a number of software developers, I was simply appalled at the amount of pirated software they had on their machines and networks, some of which was essential to their business. I've been seeing this all over the NeXT market. No wonder many developers are paranoid about people stealing their software - they _themselves_ steal other people's software! Again, you know who you are.] Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <1993Apr9.080249.20347@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <C52qqE.253@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 08:02:49 GMT In article <C52qqE.253@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu (David Meyer) writes: > In article <1993Apr6.071315.29046@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: > >BTW I dropped gzip into my /usr/ucb directory as "compresss", "uncompress" > >and "zcat". Works just fine, especially with the Workspace Manager's > >"compress" feature. Highly recommended. > > This is a bad idea. I agree that replacing uncompress and zcat is > just fine (in fact I've done it), but by replacing compress you will > make your NeXTmail (and anything else that uses /usr/ucb/compress) > unreadable except by those people who have gzip. Yes, you're right, along with some other people who pointed this out to me by email. Didn't think of Mail.app. Too bad, I'll have to use the old compress again or try to get Mail.app to use /usr/ucb/compress.OLD by patching the binary (ugly). Thanks to you and the others for smashing my head against this problem :-) -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Date: 9 Apr 1993 12:42:58 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1q3r0i$39o@hermes.athena.com> References: <1993Apr8.145742.3780@mic.ucla.edu> At the risk of continuing this thread and wasting people's bandwidth, I'd like to make a few points. First, I'd like to thank Ivo for this post. It is informative and informational (what NetNews is all about.) It shows the differences in licensing structures between two products. Just a few points about the comparison: (1) I have not seen the Appsoft license so I do not know if it is transferable; (2) there is a difference between the two products and those who have used Ashton-Tate's PowerStep (which is what Solution is) and Mesa know both the quantitative and qualitative differences between the products and that Mesa is far superior in just about every way; (3) Mesa for edu costs $79 from NeXTConnection (plus $3 overnight shipping) where Solution costs $99 plus $15 S+H and is not currently available (I know, I tried to order it). Second, it has been suggested that I should avoid being legally rabid. One of the reasons I write software rather than practicing law (for those who don't know, I'm a lawyer) is because I believe in fairness rather than winning. I spent many hours and thousands in legal fees to come up with our license system (I also fired a lawyer over the issue because she wanted a nasty restrictive license!) We have never had to modify our license for any account we've sold into. This is because our license is fair and balanced. When a NeXTSTEP site buying 2,000+ units wants to change a clause in a license, we would probably say yes, but the lawyers at this site approved our license (unmodified) in two days (record time in legal terms.) The only difference between this license and the edu license is the clause on transferability. In exchange for a fair and balanced license, we ask that people abide by it. This thread arose because Ivo insisted that our license was non-enforceable. He offered a challenge, and I informed him that if he lost the challenge that he'd be liable for our cost of enforcing the license. I really don't like being legally rabid. The thing I like less is when people play lawyer when it suites their case. Sigh... Third, I was thinking about the reason behind our demo and edu policies. There was a set of threads about a year ago about software pricing and piracy. I'd love to price Mesa at its marginal value for each individual user. Unfortunately, that is near impossible. "You will get $25 of benefit from using Mesa, so send a check for $25. You'll get $10,000 of benefit from Mesa, so that's how much it will cost you." We settled on a set of prices that are somewhere below the margin value of the product for *most* people who want to use it. First, we offer a free demo version that does everything that a complete version does as long as you can do it in 32 by 32 cells. We also have given thousands of licenses to educational institutions for free (and free is always at or below marginal value!) For individual edu users, we offer a version of Mesa for $99 SRP. After cost of production, overhead (not including advertising), discounts, etc. we might make $10 per unit and if we include advertising, we probably lose money on each copy. Still, we're helping the edu community and we're also gaining loyal Mesa users (and considering the type of feedback, we seem to have a ton of loyalty) who will go out into the world and recommend commercial Mesa to commercial users. I feel, and judging by most of the feedback, that we've set a pricing model such that there is little incentive to pirate Mesa and there is a lot of reason to abide by the license agreement. Once again, thanks to the thousands of users that have made Mesa so successful and popular. Thanks to Ivo for pointing out the restriction in the edu license. Thanks to the people who have sent suggestions (such as a pricing model built of software use metering.) I know that neither Mesa nor our licensing system is perfect, but we're trying! David President, Athena Design In article <1993Apr8.145742.3780@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > > Mesa is quite a good program. It did have some minor bugs, and I have > run into a few of them. Plus, David Pollack has been very helpful in > the past. (That's why I was so shocked.) > > None of my other educational licenses were non-transferable to other > educational users. I did not realize Mesa's special case when I signed > (in fact, I would have unknowingly agreed to slavery; I am perhaps a > bit too naive in assuming certain features to be common.) Did you read > all your software licenses? > > All I want to point out: > The $99 edu Mesa special is for a non-transferable license. > You sell your NeXT, you are out of a full $99. Further, > Mesa has aggressive legal policies. > If you purchase, say, Appsoft's Solution for $99, you get a full > transferable spreadsheet. You sell your NeXT, you are > probably out of $30. > Your choice. > > /Ivo Welch
From: Thomas_Baker@UNH.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Non-Transferable EDU Licenses Date: 9 Apr 1993 13:20:56 GMT Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH Distribution: world Message-ID: <1q3t7o$pjs@mozz.unh.edu> References: <1993Apr8.145742.3780@mic.ucla.edu> In article <1993Apr8.145742.3780@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > > None of my other educational licenses were non-transferable to other > educational users. I did not realize Mesa's special case when I signed > (in fact, I would have unknowingly agreed to slavery; I am perhaps a > bit too naive in assuming certain features to be common.) Did you read > all your software licenses? > > /Ivo Welch Just for reference, I believe that Lighthouse Design software (Concurrence and Diagram) also have the same policy of non-transferable edu/student licences. tjb --- ========================================================================= | Thomas Baker - UNH Postmaster | Voice: (603) 862-4490 | | Computing & Information Services | Fax: (603) 862-4778 | | University of New Hampshire ====================================| | M113 Kingsbury Hall | Internet: Thomas_Baker@UNH.edu | | Durham, NH 03824 | NeXTmail Encouraged! | =========================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: CD-ROM (NeXT->Sun) revisited Message-ID: <1993Apr9.151722.2641@socrates.umd.edu> Keywords: cdrom, next, sun Organization: University of Maryland University College Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 15:17:22 GMT Awhile back I posted about connecting the NeXT CD-ROM drive to a Sun (Sparc 2). I got several suggestion (and comments that connecting a Sun drive to a NeXT works well) but so far I have been unsuccessful. I have two problems: 1) I have been able to mount CD-ROMs in the Rockridge format but they haven't read correctly. It looks like a data rate or block size problem. Any ideas (like how can I set the block size.) 2) Is there anyway to remote mount this sucker? Again, I have done this with the Rockridge format, but continue to have problems (like I can see directory structure, but can't copy files to the HD, etc.) In addition, any time I try to mount a disk with the Sun format (like the SunAnswers CD) the drive (due to autonfsmount) spits it back out. Is there anyway to turn off the automount (besides killing the daemon, which has some adverse effects on the WM since I have some remotely mounted directories) to get the CD forceably mounted? Any ideas? Thanks (again) in advance. Charlie -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: leshner@bend.ucsd.edu (William Leshner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP! (I destroyed my NeXT) Date: 8 Apr 1993 23:41:09 GMT Organization: Linguistics Department, UCSD Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1q2d6l$6kv@network.ucsd.edu> References: <4978@cvbnetPrime.COM> Well, I have done a pretty stupid thing. I found a bad block on my hard disk, and so I thought a good thing to do was to rebuild the file system ... with the 'newfs' command. Well, this turns out not to be such a great thing to do. Now I desperately need to get my hands on an NS2.1 system so that I can get my NeXT again (instead of an expensive paper weight). Is there any good way to do this (I'm only licensed for 2.1)? will
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: et@netcom.com (Eric Thoreson) Subject: Support Engineers Needed! (Search Firm) Message-ID: <etC58626.K1t@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 16:34:53 GMT Next is looking for support engineers in their Ca headquarters in Redwood City. Nextstep experience is a must CORRECTION!! Fax number below this time is correct. Sorry for the previous error! fax 408-562-2070 or email et@netcom.com to Eric for more info
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr9.163632.7995@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1q246n$ran@hermes.athena.com> <1993Apr9.023925.6549@cs.yale.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 16:36:32 GMT In article <1993Apr9.023925.6549@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes: ... >The above question "What more can we do?" should hang over the heads of >complaining users bowed in shame for flaming a good company with a >*fair*, clearly stated purchasing deal for academic usage. Perhaps >with reasonable user feedback Athena will consider a minimal license >transfer fee, say $20, which should satisfy the needs of all. I guess after reading much of the debate, Im a little confused by peoples expectations.. One user wrote that if he sells his NeXT he is out the $99 that he paid for an educational use software product. In perspective, if you bought a Mac or PC (I dont know how NeXTs depreciate) youve probably lost a few thousand dollars on a machine comperable to a NeXT due to the fact that new, equivalent machines have dropped that much in price. This stuff isnt an investment. Hardware puchased with educational discounts at most schools come with an agreement that prevent you from selling the hardware for two years, and from using it for anything other than educational use during that time. The idea was to insure that computer stores around a campus would have full rights to all commercial business, and that only educational sales would be lost to the school. Expecting the same for software is not unreasonable. No company is going to make a sustained living developing a complex product for an installed base the size of NeXT's and sell their software for $99. Its for educational use, and if you learn something by it youve gotten your moneys worth (which is more than most people can say about some required courses theyve had to pay for :-) As for the $20 fee, I doubt that would begin to cover the support cost for a brand new user. For the other notes suggesting the pricing isnt fair, figure out what it would cost you to write comperable software at minimum wage (what is it in the US, $4.25?) A $99 non-transferable license seems like a bargain..... >And as for Improv, well shit, what has Lotus done for me and my NeXT >lately? > >-- >Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. >Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. >Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. >New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." > >nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
From: alex@b62150.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu (Alexander T. Hay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mac Emulators Date: 9 Apr 1993 16:46:24 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1q4991$a3t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Hello! I'm considering buying a Mac emulator for the NeXT and was wondering if anyone had any advice. My main concern is how well applications such as word processing programs work. Programs like games aren't that big a deal as that's not what I use the computer for. If you do have a suggestion or know someone that I could talk to could you please email me at: alex@b62150.student.cwru.edu Thanks a lot for any help. Bye! Alexander P.S.-- Sorry if this posting is messed up, I've had problems with NewsGrazer lately.ams like games aren't that big a deal as that's not what I use the computer for. If you do have a suggestion or know someone that I could talk to could you please email me at: alex@b62150.student.cwru.edu Thanks a lot for any help. Bye!
From: axh21@po.CWRU.Edu (Alexander Hay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mac Emulators Date: 9 Apr 1993 17:02:20 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Message-ID: <1q4a6s$bip@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: <1q4991$a3t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> See, I told you it would get messed up. Here's how it was supposed to look. Once again, thank you. Hello! I'm considering buying a Mac emulator for the NeXT and was wondering if anyone had any advice. My main concern is how well applications such as word processing programs work. Programs like games aren't that big a deal as that's not what I use the computer for. If you do have a suggestion or know someone that I could talk to could you please email me at: alex@b62150.student.cwru.edu Thanks a lot for any help. Bye! Alexander -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "My sorrow; I could not awaken -=- "And though torn from me she My heart to joy at the same tone -=- has become, my love for her And all I lov'd, I lov'd alone."-E.A.P. -=- shall ne'er die..."-A.T.H.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: klein@math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (John R. Klein) Subject: Webster from the command line in 3.0 Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <C5874K.DrC@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 16:57:56 GMT Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum Has anyone a patch (for System 3.0) that allows one to access Webster from a terminal window? I pulled the 2.0 patch off an ftp server--but it doesn't work.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: The mother of all hardware announcements... Message-ID: <1993Apr9.172441.11270@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1993Apr4.172620.11877@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <FISCHER.93Apr5233741@thor.iesd.auc.dk> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 17:24:41 GMT In article <FISCHER.93Apr5233741@thor.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes: > >>>>>> "Darcy" == Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) > >Darcy> Comment? We never thought NeXT would do it either, > >And so? You can't compare the two. 2 in 5 UNIX workstations shipped >are Sun's. They are selling hardware for > $1 billion/quarter. I'm not advocating what they apparently plan to do with my posting, I'm just echoing the news. >Darcy> but why buy a SPARC when you can get more options, similar >Darcy> performance, and way more software on a PC? > >Because you can't. Because you *will* be able to. A Pentium will outperform pretty much anything except the SPARC-10. When Intel moves to the 100MHz generation, then the SPARC-10 will be eclipsed. If you're arguing that Sun offers more options and more software than you can get on a PC, then you're on drugs. >Darcy> THIS IS NOT A LATE APRIL FOOL'S JOKE. > >I sure can spot the fool. -> /Lars - db
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Date: 9 Apr 1993 18:06:49 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1q4dvpINNqo3@gap.caltech.edu> References: <KARTHY.93Apr6222429@dannug.dannug.dk> <1pvae2INNnr1@gap.caltech.edu> <C57Co7.366@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> >> This isn't the problem... it is that my friend across the >> country doesn't have gzip linked to /usr/ucb/zcat on her Obviously I didn't make myself clear. I understand the problem. What I'm saying is that you if you change /usr/ucb/compress to gzip, you can then avoid the mail problem by changing Mail.app/Mail to refer to the old compress. To be completely explicit: cd /usr/ucb mv compress comprold rm uncompress zcat ln -s /usr/local/bin/gzip compress ln -s /usr/local/bin/gzip uncompress ln -s /usr/local/bin/gzip zcat cd /NextApps/Mail.app cp -p Mail Mail.bak openfile Mail ... in Edit, search for /usr/ucb/compress, replace compress ... with "comprold"--which is the same number of characters. cd /NextAdmin/Installer.app cp -p package package.bak openfile package ... same change Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CoXist vs CubX Message-ID: <0096AC4D.613145A6@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Date: 9 Apr 93 17:51:24 GMT Distribution: na,local Organization: University of Arizona I'm in need of a good Xwindow development environment on my NeXT. In light of the recent posts from the CubX folks, I'd like to hear from users of both CoXist and CubX as to the advantages and limitations of each product. If some of you have used both, that would even be better. Thanks for your time. Don McCollam citdem@happy.rc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted NeXTSTEP programmers Message-ID: <1993Apr9.134243.6726@msuvx2.memst.edu> From: kumargs@next1.msci.memst.edu (Satish Kumar Gannu) Date: 9 Apr 93 13:42:43 -0600 WANTED NeXT Programmers Need good NeXT programmers for a commercial project in the NewYork area. The duration of the project is 18 months. (starting data is early part of May '93) Fresh graduates with 6 to 12 months programming experience in the academic project world using NeXTSTEP, Objective-C and C++ is the minimum qualification. You must be hard working with sound fundamentals in object oriented progamming and enjoy challenging work. Excellent pay and benefits. Please fax your resume to (508) 443-5895 to the attention Human Resources Sumak Enterprises or call (508)-443-5970. Please do not reply at this email address, i am just posting the message.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted NeXTSTEP programmers and SYBASE programmers Message-ID: <1993Apr9.134537.6727@msuvx2.memst.edu> From: kumargs@next1.msci.memst.edu (Satish Kumar Gannu) Date: 9 Apr 93 13:45:36 -0600 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- WANTED NeXT Programmers & SYBASE Programmers _______________________ * Need good NeXT Programmers for a commercial project in the NY area. The duration of the Project is 18 months ( to start in May). Requirements: (Fresh graduates also) 6 to 12 months programming experience in the academic project world using NeXTSTEP, Objective-C, C++ is the minimum qualification. Should be sound in OOP fundamentals. Execellent Pay and benefits. Please fax your resume to (508) - 443-5895 Attn: Human Resources. Sumak Enterprises In., * Wanted SYBASE programmers immediately. Academic experience for 6 months to 1 year in SYBASE and C under UNIX environment is acceptable. Please fax your resume to (508) - 443-5895 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't send me resumes. Fax directly to the above no. I am just posting the message.
From: kbern@next.com (Keith Bernstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Grabbing a tear-off menu or any menu at all Message-ID: <7376@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 9 Apr 93 19:06:44 GMT References: <1993Apr1.221305.18628@worldbank.org> Sender: news@NeXT.COM In article <1993Apr1.221305.18628@worldbank.org> masud@invnext.worldbank.org (masud cader) writes: > I am trying to write some documents which include "grabbed" shots of my > NeXTSTEP menus. However, I have noticed that I cannot grab the menu of my > application as a selection because Grab is at the forefront. The only > (somewhat time consuming) thing to do, seems to grab the window, then cut the > menus out of that... Is this really the only way to do it? > > Thanks for the help...let's hope that there is a snap for the NeXT...saves us > all from grabbing :-) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ > Masud Cader > Trading Analytics > The World Bank > masud@invnext.worldbank.org I don't understand the problem. Choose "Grab->Window", then make the target app active, and simply select its menu as the window to grab (i.e. click the camera icon, then click the menu)... you don't have to "cut the menus out" of anything... menus are windows. K.B.
From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Directory Icon for /tmp? Message-ID: <1993Apr9.153445.1051@hot.com> Date: 9 Apr 93 15:34:45 GMT Article-I.D.: hot.1993Apr9.153445.1051 References: <KARTHY.93Apr9000113@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies The .dir.tiff can be copied from another directory to /tmp upon reboot by placing a cp command in the /etc/rc.local script. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies In article <KARTHY.93Apr9000113@dannug.dannug.dk> karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) writes: > > >>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr 1993 12:10:36 GMT, Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com said: > > Robert> Anyone have a cool icon (.dir.tiff) for /tmp? Let's see them! > > Well...Have you thought about, that all contents of /tmp will be > removed by every reboot???? Including any .dir.tiff > > Karsten. >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) Subject: Re: How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? Message-ID: <1993Apr9.200628.14106@cs.umb.edu> Sender: news@cs.umb.edu (netnews) Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS References: <1pqcre$mtr@umd5.umd.edu> <C571pJ.9v2.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 20:06:28 GMT In article <C571pJ.9v2.2@cs.cmu.edu> rab@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Brennan) writes: >> How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? The system I'm interested ... >I have a Gateway 4dx2-66V with the Adaptec 1542B and NeXTStep runs fine. I ... I'm also interested in the Gateway 486DX2-66V for NeXTSTEP. How is the video with the ATI card on the Gateway? I mean, when you drag a window, does it move smoothly or choppilly? What kind and size of monitor are you using and what do you think of it? I'd appreciate any information about this machine for NeXTSTEP. Thanks, Drake Roberts droberts@cs.umb.edu University of Massachusetts in Boston --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer From: nextbook@csulb.edu (Michael K. Mahoney) Subject: Garfinkel / Mahoney Book ERRATA Message-ID: <C58IvF.9Dw@csulb.edu> Keywords: NeXTSTEP Programming, Book Sender: news@csulb.edu (News Administration/Rumor Bureau) Organization: Cal State Long Beach Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 21:11:38 GMT ERRATA for the Garfinkel/Mahoney BOOK, "NeXTSTEP Programming - STEP ONE: Object-Oriented Applications" by Simson L. Garfinkel and Michael K. Mahoney published by TELOS/Springer-Verlag, 1993. ISBN 0-387-97884-4 Send additional errata to nextbook@csulb.edu (improvements in the code are welcome, but please submit the entire improved files with detailed comments and a list of changes). The following errors (and comments) were found in the first printing of the book and corrected in the second printing. The first printing (6000 copies) sold out in about 3 months. We thank you all for buying the book and thank those of you who submitted errors and comments to nextbook@csulb.edu even more. A special thanks go to Duane Storti and Andreas Ploeger, both of whom submitted several pages of comments. - Mike Mahoney 4/9/93 PAGE LINE ERROR / COMMENT xviii 9 "Suzanne Woolf at SRI International" --> "Suzanne Woolf Strauss at the USC Information Sciences Institute" 8 13 "five principle" --> "seven principal" 17 -2 "more than" --> "less than" 23 -8 You can Command-drag the Recycler out of the dock. 30 12 The Show Menus menu command is not implemented in the App Kit. 43 -3 "using" --> "use" 44 14 "Chapter 3" --> "Chapter 5" 57 8 "Copy" --> "Paste" 58 6 "View Documentation" --> "View Header" 59 -12 The order of the tools may differ in your IconBuilder. 110 -9 "are" --> "is" 112 17 "clear:" --> "View" 128 -2 "left" --> "right" 139 6 "Interfaces" --> "Headers" 140 21 "yFlag = 0" --> "yFlag = NO" 140 22 "enterFlag = 0" --> "enterFlag = NO" 152 6 Double-click the error message in the PB window . 155 3 "enterFlag = 1" --> "enterFlag = YES" 173 1 Drop the Info submenu when you see the copy cursor. 189 19 Insert "in the Info panel" immediately before the comma. 213 -6 "NX_WIDTH" --> "NX_X" 229 -1 "Panel" --> "Panels" 235 17 "ownerwith" --> "owner:with" 240 2 "abutton" --> "aButton" 241 9 "isKindof" --> "isKindOf" 244 3 "103" --> "105" 244 23 "Calculator.m" --> "CalcWindow.m" 244 -1 "designed" --> "designated" 250 -4 "off" --> "of" 262 10 You can copy the Evaluator file from the bundled floppy disk to your ~/Apps directory to install the Evaluator. 264 18 "containing" --> "contains" 274 8 Don't hide Workspace Manager as it's needed in Step 20. 281 -12 Insert "sizes" after "window". 294 -2 "you" --> "your" 297 20 "occured" --> "occurred" 309 18 "51" --> "60" 311 9 "Brackets" --> "Braces" 312 -7 "lets" --> "let's" 313 9 "lets" --> "let's" 353 5 "Consequentially" --> "Consequently" 366 -13 Insert "NXPing()" inside the inner "for" loop. 374 -7 "second" --> "seconds" 375 14 "of delayed loop" --> "of a delay loop" 379 -9 Insert "[self unlockFocus];" before "return self;" . 380 5 Insert "[self unlockFocus];" before "return self;" 391 -3 "View" --> "superview" 427 14 "number" --> "numbers" 428 2 "1024" --> "16384" 432 11 "rectsCount" --> "rectCount" 454 14 "Continous" --> "Continuous" 496 22 "superview" --> "superclass" 512 -15 "four" --> "five" 514 6 Change "readType" description to "Reads data from the pasteboard server." 523 -10 "paste board" --> "pasteboard" 560 14 "yFlag = 0" --> "yFlag = NO" 560 15 "enterFlag = 0" --> "enterFlag = NO" 563 -4 The code for appDidInit on page 245 should be used here. 567 -12 Insert "[self unlockFocus];" before "return self;" . 568 2 Insert "[self unlockFocus];" before "return self;" 574 20 "occured" --> "occurred" 596 4 "1024" --> "16384"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: Tigger <greg@pomona.claremont.edu> Subject: Workspace/Mathematica selector error? Message-ID: <A7EB3AA2B70104A7@taz.claremont.edu> Sender: news@news.claremont.edu (The News System) Organization: Pomona College Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 22:37:22 GMT We've got a user who is trying to run a Mathematica notebook on our NeXT under NextStep 3.1. It was causing all sorts of problems on the Mac version, and on the NeXT it resulted in Runtime error: Workspace: does not recognize selector-Jf4/9 The console then froze. The process refused to be killed, and we ended up rebooting the machine. Does anyone have any clue what that error means? Given the segment loader errors and bus errors that we were getting on the Mac side (and Mathematica's less than stellar history) I'm about ready to tell the student (and his prof) that Mathematica is just a piece of junk... -- Greg Orman greg@pomona.claremont.edu Systems Manager greg@pomona.bitnet Seaver Academic Computing Services Pomona College Standard disclaimer-type stuff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1993Apr9.130411.20998@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <1993Apr7.201750.27221@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 13:04:11 GMT In article <1993Apr7.201750.27221@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: > In article <1993Apr3.170240.9040@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: [about Pentium not having much to do with RISC] > >Alpha, PA-RISC, RS/6000, MIPS R4400 are faster and have been shipping in > >volume for some time now. Pentium won't be out the door till at least 3Q93 > >in volume, that's for sure. > > A Lamborghini(sp) isnt very fast either.. It wont even touch a subsonic jet :-> > First, the versions of those chips that run far faster than 60 SPEC*92 arent > in $5,000 systems today. Neither is a Pentium-based system available today (not just under $5000) at all. > A SPARCstation Classic is in the mid-20 SPEC range, > and the 33MHz HP chip in the low end PA-RISC box is only good for 25 SPECin92 > and 46 SPECfp92. When Q3 rolls around, the Pentium is in real systems, and > the RISC machine vendors have had another few months to push out the next > generation boxes, we can argue who has the best box capable of running > NeXTstep for some fixed (affordable) price. Affordable is debatable :-) > >Concerning the "emulation" of 486 code: see my recent posting in this group. > >The Pentium's *only* native machine code is identical to the 486's. All this > >stuff about Pentium being a RISC processor emulating something is just plain > >wrong. > > The term RISC is misused on many architectures. I think the component here > that people are talking about has to do with the instruction units being > hardwired logic instead of being microcoded. As to whether that means > it can be tagged as RISC is a battle for the absurdly religious. Doesn't have anything to do with absurd religiousness. There are a number (~10) of RISC design principles which are pretty consistent among all modern processor *architectures* (i.e. not implementations of old architectures). The Pentium conforms to only one of them, which just doesn't qualify it for being a RISC processor. -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de)
From: thorson@typhoonatmos.colostate.edu (Bill Thorson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <Apr09.210354.12132@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: 9 Apr 93 21:03:54 GMT Sender: thorson@typhoon (Bill Thorson) Organization: Colorado State University/Atmos Sci. Originator: thorson@typhoon I would just like say that I think Mesa is a fine spreadsheet program. I tried Improv and found it a waste of my time to learn. I'm sure that WingZ and the others are also fine programs. The real benifit I've seen with Mesa is the customer support. I too am one of the 'lowly' educational purchasers but have not been treated as a second class person. Mesa includes a feedback button on the info menu that sends mail to athena.com. I have used this button a couple of times. Once to help solve a problem and the other to inform them of a bug. Both times I got immediate help by nice appreciative and "human" person. I have never dealt with a company with that kind of quick and personal help. They've been the best so far. -- #!/bin/sh #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# echo Bill Thorson thorson@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu echo Dept of Atmospheric Science +1 303 491-8339 echo Colorado State University echo Ft. Collins, CO 80523 #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# -- #!/bin/sh #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# echo Bill Thorson thorson@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu echo Dept of Atmospheric Science +1 303 491-8339 echo Colorado State University echo Ft. Collins, CO 80523 #-----------------------------------------------------------------------#
From: conway@trade.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: 9 Apr 93 19:37:47 GMT Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Marlboro, MA Hi, I am giving a NeXT / NeXTSTEP demonstration to someone pretty important here. I want to give him the best possible demonstration. Any suggestions or pointers to demo scripts would be appreciated very much. Thanks - Mark
From: fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu (Chris Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to configure Taylor UUCP Message-ID: <C58FrK.60p@nvcc.uucp> Date: 9 Apr 93 20:04:31 GMT Article-I.D.: nvcc.C58FrK.60p Organization: Napa Valley College Ok, so I went and got Taylor UUCP, because everyone keeps saying it's better. So now how do I make it work? I compiled it and installed it, and didn't change any of the defaults. I'd like to be able to just drop it in and let be a replacement for the UUCP provided by NeXT, but the Taylor UUCP sure doesn't want to pay any attention to the config files I already have in /etc/uucp. Do I need to recompile with different options? Can someone help me to convert my current config files to work with Taylor? Is Taylor even going to use /usr/spool/uucp for spooling? Thanks. -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu fozztexx@groucho.sonoma.edu NeXTMail ok at both
Control: cancel <1993Apr9.172441.11270@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: cmsg cancel <1993Apr9.172441.11270@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <1993Apr9.230328.24791@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Originator: samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1993Apr4.172620.11877@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <FISCHER.93Apr5233741@thor.iesd.auc.dk> <1993Apr9.172441.11270@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 23:03:28 GMT <1993Apr9.172441.11270@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> was cancelled from within rn.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sybase Admin? Message-ID: <0096AC6C.AF9896C6@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> From: citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 21:35:30 GMT Distribution: na,local Organization: University of Arizona A while back someone noted that the Sybase Admin app in 3.0 was "broken" in some way and that a fix was posted somewhere (I thought at NeXT.com). If you remember anything of this nature (the bug and the fix), please send e-mail to citdem@happy.rc.arizona.edu Thanks! Don McCollam citdem@happy.rc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@azetsys.uucp (Operator) Subject: multiple files Message-ID: <1993Apr10.005424.318@azetsys.uucp> Organization: CleverLever Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 00:54:24 GMT Hi, I have two disks runnig at the same time now, previously they were both bootable, containing the complete OS on each. Now I have chained them, booting from /dev/rsd0a, and /dev/rsd1a is mounted on /dev/rsd0a/foo. Since there is a complete duplication on the second disk, which is not needed any more, I was wondering: What can I delete and what I have to keep, is any part of the OS is important, or I can safely remove it, and still would be able to mount it without problems. Any ideas? Experiences? Advice to the disklorn? Thank you in advance, Geza Fekete, azetsys.root@uunet.UU.NET -- Geza Fekete azetsys!aprop@uunet.UU.NET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: yjwu@unix.cie.rpi.edu (Yeun-Jung Wu) Subject: mount:/dev/sd0a on /scsi: Device busy What does it mean? Message-ID: <f7l53n+@rpi.edu> Keywords: /dev/sd0a on /scsi: Device busy Organization: CIE, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 01:19:32 GMT These few days I was trying to install Fujitsu M2694ESA hard drive to my cube. It seems to work fine except high howling noise and a strange message poped up each time a monitor window was opened. The strange message reads as: mount:/dev/sd0a on /scsi: Device busy mount:giving up on /scsi I guess it is a problem with autodiskmount but have no clue up to now. Would you please to point out what is the source of problem and how to fix it? Thank you in advanced! Yeun-Jung Wu yjwu@phys.sinica.edu.tw Institute of Physics Academia Sinica Nankang, Taipei, 11529 Taiwan Republic of China
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Tigger <greg@pomona.claremont.edu> Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <A7EB6D58A30204A7@taz.claremont.edu> Sender: news@news.claremont.edu (The News System) Organization: Pomona College References: <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 01:13:44 GMT In article <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Mark Conway, conway@trade.enet.dec.com writes: > > I am giving a NeXT / NeXTSTEP demonstration to someone pretty important here. > I want to give him the best possible demonstration. Did I hear someone say "NeXTSTEP on Alpha AXP"? -- | Greg Orman greg@pomona.claremont.edu | | And let not the sands of time get in your lunch. |
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What a BUG!!! Message-ID: <1178@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 10 Apr 93 01:22:58 GMT References: <1993Apr8.094729.14479@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Gary I. Chang writes > path would get NULL from the workspace search.... > And then strcpy(....) becomes strcpy(myAppPath,NULL)...... > So, you think nothing would be copied into myAppPath???? WRONG!! > The program would die without a clue to trace. I think this may be prescribed by ANSI or something. The real bug is not in strcpy, but in your code, which doesn't check the returned value from the [[workspace Application] getApplicationFullPath:"myApp"] call. It's good that it crashes, because it will help you find other bugs in your program that led to that point. For it to silently copy a NULL string (note: a NULL pointer is different from a pointer to a string with 0-length contents) is not necessarily correct behavior. Any NULL pointer will cause a crash if you try to dereference it; why should strcpy error-check for you (at the expense of speed)? I used to program VAXes running UNIX a long time ago, and they wouldn't care if you dereferenced a NULL pointer. It would just default to something reasonable and along you would go. This allowed a lot of bugs to exist in software without the programmer even knowing about it. When I then ported some of it to Sun 1 and Sun 2 hardware, the program would crash every time a NULL pointer was dereferenced. At first I was pissed, of course, since the DEC behavior seemed so much more friendly. Over the years, I've become convinced that it's a good thing, because it lets you catch bugs right when they happen. The one down-side is that you can't always test every eventuality, and it would be nice to have a way to RELEASE software that was more forgiving of things like NULL pointers, because you never know what weirdnesses are lurking in system code. For example, some NeXT system call that returns some information about the currently chosen printer happens to return NULL if there has never been a printer chosen. Almost every user (and beta tester) has at some point chosen a printer, but brand new computers and their users sometimes have not. The app crashed unmercifully until they had chosen a printer. A bug, to be sure, but one that we had not anticipated, since the NULL pointer was being returned by system code. Anyway, I'm glad that strcpy doesn't check every pointer that gets passed to it, because it would then run slower. I'd rather that it let me do the error-checking and have it run like the wind, which it seems to. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dflora!peter@wpa.com (Peter D. Wilson) Subject: NeXT-Distributed-Objects Message-ID: <1993Apr10.012325.10808@wpa.com!dflora> Sender: peter@wpa.com!dflora Organization: Peter Wilson Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 01:23:25 GMT Have any object request brokers, ORB's, been constructed which allow services provided by NeXT-Distributed-Objects to accessed outside the NeXT community ? What is the current state of distributed object technology elsewhere ? Thanks -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- peter d. wilson dflora!peter@wpa.com (NeXT prefered) wilsonp@mobot.org (god no!)
From: bense@heart3.ucsd.edu (Booker C. Bense) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Using gzip with WorkSpace and Still sending correct nextMail Summary: Dirty Hack Message-ID: <2540@deadmin.ucsd.edu> Date: 10 Apr 93 02:54:04 GMT References: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@deadmin.ucsd.edu Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD In article <1993Apr6.185914.17160@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> inspectors@pri.com writes: >In article <KARTHY.93Apr6125416@dannug.dannug.dk> karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) writes: >> >> >>so why don't anyone make a Squash-like >>frontend to gzip and let us have the best from both products at once?? >> - Well, this allows you to use WorkSpace and DarkForest.app like that and still send NeXTMail to your friends who aren't smart enough to install gzip. - The enclosed handy little script allows you to use gzip for compression on your local disk , but to still use the Standard compression for NeXTMail. I found that the WorkSpace opens up a pipe using compress -f -c and Mail.app uses compress -f - To install this jewel use the following : # cd /usr/ucb # mv uncompress uncompress.ucb # ln -s /usr/local/bin/gunzip ./uncompress # mv compress compress.ucb # cp [the file below] /usr/ucb/compress -----------------------------cut-here-------------------------------------------- #!/bin/csh -f #echo $@ >> /tmp/compress.args if ( "x$argv[1]" == 'x-f' && $#argv == 1 ) then /usr/ucb/compress.ucb $argv else /usr/local/bin/gzip $argv endif --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Bwt , this also works with DarkForest.app , I highly recommend it. You can get it at ftp.cica.indiana.edu - Now, if I could only figure out how to make this work with tcx..... Hmm........ I may have to turn this into a perl script...... - Booker P.S. While I'm feeling generous... Here's a patch to make tcx1.1 work on NeXTStep_3.0. Anyone trying to run NeXTStep on a Laptop PC will want this.... TCX is a transparent executable compression program available from turiel.cs.mu.OZ.AU:pub/tcx1.1tar.Z ---------------cut-here-again------------------------------------------ #! /bin/sh # This is a shell archive, meaning: # 1. Remove everything above the #! /bin/sh line. # 2. Save the resulting text in a file. # 3. Execute the file with /bin/sh (not csh) to create the files: # patch.tcx # This archive created: Fri Apr 9 07:07:35 1993 export PATH; PATH=/bin:$PATH if test -f 'patch.tcx' then echo shar: will not over-write existing file "'patch.tcx'" else cat << \SHAR_EOF > 'patch.tcx' =================================================================== RCS file: /users/cvs/tcx/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -c -r1.1.1.1 Makefile *** 1.1.1.1 1993/04/09 13:46:39 --- Makefile 1993/04/09 13:47:55 *************** *** 10,22 **** # Cflags of choice. ! CFLAGS = -s -O # Most OS's ! #CFLAGS = -s -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall # Linux # Any libraries ! LIBS = -lmalloc -lc_s # IRIX ! #LIBS = # SUNOS, ULTRIX, AIX all: tcx untcx --- 10,22 ---- # Cflags of choice. ! #CFLAGS = -s -O # Most OS's ! CFLAGS = -g -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall # Next3.0 # Any libraries ! #LIBS = -lmalloc -lc_s # IRIX ! #LIBS = # SUNOS, ULTRIX, AIX, Next3.0 all: tcx untcx =================================================================== RCS file: /users/cvs/tcx/config.h,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -c -r1.1.1.1 config.h *** 1.1.1.1 1993/04/09 13:46:40 --- config.h 1993/04/09 13:47:55 *************** *** 24,33 **** /************************************************************************/ /* #define SUNOS /* */ ! #define IRIX /* */ /* #define AIX /* */ /* #define ULTRIX /* */ /* #define LINUX /* */ /************************************************************************/ /* SUNOS requires the pstat command to be available. This is part of */ --- 24,34 ---- /************************************************************************/ /* #define SUNOS /* */ ! /* #define IRIX /* */ /* #define AIX /* */ /* #define ULTRIX /* */ /* #define LINUX /* */ + #define NEXT_3_0 /************************************************************************/ /* SUNOS requires the pstat command to be available. This is part of */ *************** *** 64,70 **** /************************************************************************/ #define PATHPACKER "/usr/local/bin/gzip" ! /*#define PACKEROPTS "-7" /* Optional */ /************************************************************************/ /* PATHUNPACK and the optional UNPACKOPTS serve a similar purpose to */ --- 65,71 ---- /************************************************************************/ #define PATHPACKER "/usr/local/bin/gzip" ! #define PACKEROPTS "-9" /* Optional */ /************************************************************************/ /* PATHUNPACK and the optional UNPACKOPTS serve a similar purpose to */ *************** *** 85,91 **** /* just deleting the temporary one from ENFSDIR. */ /************************************************************************/ ! #define UNPACK_IN_PLACE /* */ /************************************************************************/ /* ENFSDIR is the pathname to the directory where emergency (out of disk*/ --- 86,92 ---- /* just deleting the temporary one from ENFSDIR. */ /************************************************************************/ ! /* #define UNPACK_IN_PLACE */ /************************************************************************/ /* ENFSDIR is the pathname to the directory where emergency (out of disk*/ *************** *** 118,124 **** /* inode cache. This problem will be addressed in a future release. */ /************************************************************************/ ! #define ENFSTIMEOUT 300 /* 5 minutes of inactivity */ /************************************************************************/ /* LOCALTIMEOUT is the least number of seconds of disuse of an*/ --- 119,125 ---- /* inode cache. This problem will be addressed in a future release. */ /************************************************************************/ ! #define ENFSTIMEOUT 3600 /* 5 minutes of inactivity */ /************************************************************************/ /* LOCALTIMEOUT is the least number of seconds of disuse of an*/ *************** *** 152,158 **** #define PUSLEEP(x) (sginap((long)((x)/10000))) #endif ! #if defined(ULTRIX) || defined(SUNOS) || defined(AIX) || defined(LINUX) #define PUSLEEP(x) (usleep(x)) /* usleep code in untcx.c for ULTRIX */ #endif --- 153,159 ---- #define PUSLEEP(x) (sginap((long)((x)/10000))) #endif ! #if defined(ULTRIX) || defined(SUNOS) || defined(AIX) || defined(LINUX) || defined(NEXT_3_0) #define PUSLEEP(x) (usleep(x)) /* usleep code in untcx.c for ULTRIX */ #endif *************** *** 159,165 **** --- 160,168 ---- #ifdef __STDC__ #include <stdlib.h> #endif + #if ! defined(NEXT_3_0) #include <unistd.h> + #endif #include <sys/time.h> #include <sys/wait.h> *************** *** 169,175 **** #include <sys/types.h> ! #if defined(ULTRIX) || defined(LINUX) #include <sys/param.h> #include <sys/mount.h> #endif --- 172,178 ---- #include <sys/types.h> ! #if defined(ULTRIX) || defined(LINUX) || defined(NEXT_3_0) #include <sys/param.h> #include <sys/mount.h> #endif *************** *** 178,184 **** #include <sys/statfs.h> #endif ! #if defined(SUNOS) || defined(LINUX) #include <sys/vfs.h> #endif --- 181,187 ---- #include <sys/statfs.h> #endif ! #if defined(SUNOS) || defined(LINUX) || defined(NEXT_3_0) #include <sys/vfs.h> #endif *************** *** 191,194 **** --- 194,208 ---- #ifndef MAXPATHLEN #define MAXPATHLEN 1024 + #endif + #ifdef NEXT_3_0 + #include <libc.h> + #define S_IXUSR S_IEXEC + #define S_IXGRP 0000010 + #define S_IXOTH 0000001 + #define S_IRUSR S_IREAD + #define S_IRGRP 0000040 + #define S_IROTH 0000004 + #define S_IWUSR S_IWRITE + #define WEXITSTATUS(x) (((union wait*)&(x))->w_retcode) #endif =================================================================== RCS file: /users/cvs/tcx/tcx.c,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -c -r1.1.1.1 tcx.c *** 1.1.1.1 1993/04/09 13:46:40 --- tcx.c 1993/04/09 13:47:55 *************** *** 57,63 **** exit(-1); } ! if(getwd(dofile) == NULL) { (void)fprintf(stderr, "Get Working Directory Error: %s\n", dofile); exit(-1); --- 57,63 ---- exit(-1); } ! if((char *) getwd(dofile) == NULL) { (void)fprintf(stderr, "Get Working Directory Error: %s\n", dofile); exit(-1); *************** *** 83,89 **** if(chdir(dofile) < 0) { perror(dofile); exit(-1); } ! if(getwd(dofile) == NULL) { (void)fprintf(stderr, "Get Working Directory Error: %s\n", dofile); exit(-1); --- 83,89 ---- if(chdir(dofile) < 0) { perror(dofile); exit(-1); } ! if((char *) getwd(dofile) == (char *) NULL) { (void)fprintf(stderr, "Get Working Directory Error: %s\n", dofile); exit(-1); *************** *** 141,147 **** if(! (dostat.st_mode & (S_IXUSR | S_IXGRP | S_IXOTH))) { ! (void)fprintf(stderr, "File does have any execute bits set. Aborting.\n"); exit(-1); } --- 141,147 ---- if(! (dostat.st_mode & (S_IXUSR | S_IXGRP | S_IXOTH))) { ! (void)fprintf(stderr, "File does not have any execute bits set. Aborting.\n"); exit(-1); } *************** *** 229,235 **** --- 229,240 ---- exit(-1); } + #ifdef NEXT_3_0 + if(flock(outfd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) + + #else if(fcntl(outfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) + #endif exit(-1); (void)unlink(tofile); /* Unlink. Don't care if fails yet */ *************** *** 249,256 **** #ifdef ULTRIX if(islocal == 1) #endif if(fcntl(outfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! exit(-1); /* Do a chmod (Just to be sure - in case of user umask affecting open) */ --- 254,266 ---- #ifdef ULTRIX if(islocal == 1) #endif + #ifdef NEXT_3_0 + if(flock(outfd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) + + #else if(fcntl(outfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! #endif ! exit(-1); /* Do a chmod (Just to be sure - in case of user umask affecting open) */ *************** *** 306,312 **** --- 316,328 ---- #ifdef ULTRIX if(islocal == 1) #endif + #ifdef NEXT_3_0 + if(flock(infd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) + + #else if(fcntl(infd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) + #endif + { if(unlink(tofile) < 0) (void)fprintf(stderr, "Warning: Unable to delete scratch file\n"); =================================================================== RCS file: /users/cvs/tcx/untcx.c,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -c -r1.1.1.1 untcx.c *** 1.1.1.1 1993/04/09 13:46:40 --- untcx.c 1993/04/09 13:47:55 *************** *** 366,372 **** /* is already running. Return. */ lck.l_type = F_RDLCK; lck.l_whence = 0; lck.l_start = 0; lck.l_len = 0; ! if(fcntl(lkfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) { (void)close(lkfd); return; --- 366,378 ---- /* is already running. Return. */ lck.l_type = F_RDLCK; lck.l_whence = 0; lck.l_start = 0; lck.l_len = 0; ! #ifdef NEXT_3_0 ! if(flock(lkfd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) ! ! #else ! if(fcntl(lkfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! #endif ! { (void)close(lkfd); return; *************** *** 410,417 **** if((lkfd = open(lockpath, O_WRONLY | O_TRUNC)) < 0) exit(-1); lck.l_type = F_WRLCK; lck.l_whence = 0; lck.l_start = 0; lck.l_len = 0; ! if(fcntl(lkfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! exit(-1); /* Write our process id to the lock file. Don't really care if fails. */ --- 416,428 ---- if((lkfd = open(lockpath, O_WRONLY | O_TRUNC)) < 0) exit(-1); lck.l_type = F_WRLCK; lck.l_whence = 0; lck.l_start = 0; lck.l_len = 0; ! #ifdef NEXT_3_0 ! if(flock(lkfd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) ! ! #else ! if(fcntl(lkfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! #endif ! exit(-1); /* Write our process id to the lock file. Don't really care if fails. */ *************** *** 486,492 **** continue; #endif ! #if defined(IRIX) || defined(DEC) || defined(AIX) || defined(LINUX) /* Attempt to open file for writing, if it fails with ETXTBSY */ /* then update access times and continue, otherwise it is a */ /* candidate for recompression. */ --- 497,503 ---- continue; #endif ! #if defined(IRIX) || defined(DEC) || defined(AIX) || defined(LINUX) || defined(NEXT_3_0) /* Attempt to open file for writing, if it fails with ETXTBSY */ /* then update access times and continue, otherwise it is a */ /* candidate for recompression. */ *************** *** 611,617 **** { if((logfd = open(logpath, O_WRONLY)) < 0) continue; ! if(fcntl(logfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) { (void)close(logfd); continue; } (void)rename(logtmppath, logpath); --- 622,634 ---- { if((logfd = open(logpath, O_WRONLY)) < 0) continue; ! #ifdef NEXT_3_0 ! if(flock(logfd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) ! ! #else ! if(fcntl(logfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! #endif ! { (void)close(logfd); continue; } (void)rename(logtmppath, logpath); *************** *** 697,705 **** } lck.l_type = F_WRLCK; lck.l_whence = 0; lck.l_start = 0; lck.l_len = 0; if(fcntl(infd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! { ! if(fcntl(infd, F_GETLK, &lck) < 0 || lck.l_type != F_RDLCK) { (void)close(infd); continue; } (void)close(infd); if(try_to_exec(expath, argv[0], argv) < 0) --- 714,733 ---- } lck.l_type = F_WRLCK; lck.l_whence = 0; lck.l_start = 0; lck.l_len = 0; + #ifdef NEXT_3_0 + if(flock(infd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) + + #else if(fcntl(infd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! #endif ! { ! #ifdef NEXT_3_0 ! if(flock(infd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) ! ! #else ! if(fcntl(infd, F_GETLK, &lck) < 0 || lck.l_type != F_RDLCK) ! #endif ! { (void)close(infd); continue; } (void)close(infd); if(try_to_exec(expath, argv[0], argv) < 0) *************** *** 925,932 **** } lck.l_type = F_WRLCK; lck.l_whence = 0; lck.l_start = 0; lck.l_len = 0; if(fcntl(outfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! { (void)close(infd); (void)close(outfd); continue; --- 953,965 ---- } lck.l_type = F_WRLCK; lck.l_whence = 0; lck.l_start = 0; lck.l_len = 0; + #ifdef NEXT_3_0 + if(flock(outfd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) + + #else if(fcntl(outfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! #endif ! { (void)close(infd); (void)close(outfd); continue; *************** *** 1016,1023 **** } lck.l_type = F_WRLCK; lck.l_whence = 0; lck.l_start = 0; lck.l_len = 0; ! if(fcntl(infd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! { perror(expath); exit(-1); } --- 1049,1061 ---- } lck.l_type = F_WRLCK; lck.l_whence = 0; lck.l_start = 0; lck.l_len = 0; ! #ifdef NEXT_3_0 ! if(flock(infd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) ! ! #else ! if(fcntl(infd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) ! #endif ! { perror(expath); exit(-1); } *************** *** 1117,1123 **** --- 1155,1167 ---- { if((logfd = open(logpath, O_WRONLY)) < 0) continue; + #ifdef NEXT_3_0 + if(flock(logfd,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) < 0 ) + + #else if(fcntl(logfd, F_SETLK, &lck) < 0) + #endif + { (void)close(logfd); continue; SHAR_EOF if test 15280 -ne "`wc -c < 'patch.tcx'`" then echo shar: error transmitting "'patch.tcx'" '(should have been 15280 characters)' fi fi # end of overwriting check # End of shell archive exit 0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jypai@ccnext.csie.nctu.edu.tw Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <C58y95.7Cp@csie.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@csie.nctu.edu.tw Organization: Computer Sci. & Information Eng., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC References: <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 02:43:53 GMT In article <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> conway@trade.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) writes: > I am giving a NeXT / NeXTSTEP demonstration to someone pretty important here. I want to give him the best possible demonstration. Any suggestions or pointers to demo scripts would be appreciated very much. I suggest u to try MediaView with 89Baraff.mdvw (both can be found at sonata) Other possiblities include: Weather, SoundWorks, Touch, and Voice mail (my demo of voice mail is a success). And pls make a summary if u receive enough interesting suggestions. -- Yuan +---------------------------------------------------+ ||| Pai, Jin-Yuan : consultant of NCTU CSIE CC ||| |---------------------------------------------------| | Internet Address : jypai@csie.nctu.edu.tw |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jypai@ccnext.csie.nctu.edu.tw Subject: Re: Why not 16Mb SIMMS on a nextstation? Message-ID: <C58yDz.7J6@csie.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@csie.nctu.edu.tw Organization: Computer Sci. & Information Eng., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC References: <C564qn.EE0@imag.fr> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 02:46:47 GMT In article <C564qn.EE0@imag.fr> barel@imag.fr (Max Barel) writes: > > The 32 Mb barrier on our color station (non turbo) make the swapdisk (the internal 100 Meg shifted to this job since we have an external 2.5 GB) hardly working, especialy when running Mathematica and/or MouseX. Yes. this 32MB limit is sometimes really annoying. -- Yuan +---------------------------------------------------+ ||| Pai, Jin-Yuan : consultant of NCTU CSIE CC ||| |---------------------------------------------------| | Internet Address : jypai@csie.nctu.edu.tw |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: keen@ee.ualberta.ca (Jeff 'No. 83' Keen) Subject: Re: Wanted: Faxmodem advice Message-ID: <1993Apr10.022703.24065@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Summary: Anyone got a Viva fax 14.4 to work? Keywords: fax, modems, drivers, next Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering References: <1993Mar30.191508.18107@worldbank.org> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 02:27:03 GMT Summary pretty much says it all, I recently got a Viva 14.4/Fax modem which I know works using netfax on a sun and can't get it to work on 2.1 NS next (I know, I know 3.0 is out). Every time I set the modem to private access under the printmanager (as root) and click ok, it talks to the modem and promptly sets the modem to unavailable. What am I doing wrong? Keen@ee.bode -- ----------------------------------------------------- Jeff Keen University of Alberta alberta!bode!keen -----------------------------------------------------
From: ak@comcen.nsk.su (Alexander Y. Kouznetsov) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT in Russia: Thanx to all you guys! Let's try NS/FIP. Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 17:11:53 +0800 Distribution: world Organization: Computer Center (LAPA) Message-ID: <AAPhfmhOO7@comcen.nsk.su> Sender: news-service@newcom.kiae.su Keywords: NeXT, NeXTStep, Russia, NS/FIP Summary: I appreciate saving my soul Subject: RE: Should we run NeXT in Russia? Hi, Thanx to everybody. I appreciate much the replies I get for my letter about running NeXT in Russia. I get more than 40 letters, including company in Moscow that sale NeXTstations. The summary looks as follows: - Nobody told me to give up the NeXTStep! - Everybody expect the NS/486 coming to be a major player. - Some guys support Steve Jobs decision about NeXTstation stop if it will bring more power in NeXTStep. - Nobody wants to go back to other enviornments (X-windows, Interviews,..) - Keep up the faith. Wait and see (how life is going out). My expectations are: - Intel presented Pentium last week in Moscow. The more power Pentium has the more chances will be for NS. Both should come out at the same time to have the same market. - Intel should support NS in their minds - if NeXT Co. will be slow in managing the NS/FIP distribution the sales can go up slow and in few months there will be more efforts required to invade the market - if NT from Microsoft will be fast - Canon will never start producing the machines - Steve Jobs likes to break his hardware. The question is - is it the same for him with software. Best wishes from Russia Alexander, Apr 5-7 ak@comcen.nsk.su
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dahl@esca.esca.com (Austin Dahl) Subject: Toshiba CD-ROM Mechanism and PhotoCD Message-ID: <DAHL.93Apr9143037@esca.esca.com> Sender: dahl@esca.com (Austin Dahl) Organization: ESCA Corporation, Bellevue WA Distribution: comp Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 22:30:37 GMT Has anyone with a Toshiba mechanism in their CD-ROM had success viewing PhotoCD's? Austin Dahl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: What a BUG!!! Message-ID: <8_m5b6=@rpi.edu> References: <1178@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 05:32:07 GMT glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > I used to program VAXes running UNIX a long time ago, and they wouldn't > care if you dereferenced a NULL pointer. It would just default to > something reasonable and along you would go. [etc] Some IBM operating systems have this same behavior. The operating system I worked on (which ran on IBM mainframes, but wasn't from IBM) would program interrupt if you tried to access anything in the first 4096 bytes of storage. Many people porting packages from other IBM systems to MTS (the one I worked on) would find out that their original program was in fact wrong. In one case it was a program which was (successfully!) used as part of some thesis, and it turned out the answers the program was giving was utterly bogus. The best thing for any "general purpose" routine to do when given NULL for some pointer value is die. There's no way for it to guess what is "the right thing" to do for every user program. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Date: 10 Apr 1993 05:50:25 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1q5n71INNm6o@shelley.u.washington.edu> References: <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> <C58y95.7Cp@csie.nctu.edu.tw> Don't forget Gopher.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: One way to forward mail to different mailboxes. In-Reply-To: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu's message of 9 Apr 1993 00:39:42 GMT To: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Apr9094037@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1q2gkeINNj6n@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 13:40:37 GMT In article <1q2gkeINNj6n@tamsun.tamu.edu> bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) writes: Since I posted my original question on how to forward mail to different mailboxes, I've received numerous requests for the answers. The first thing to do is to get the following: mailforward (readily available) perl (also readily available) Uncompress and untar and you're halfway there. The trick to installing perl on a NeXT is to be aware the the include files are in two different directories: /usr/include/ansi and /usr/include/bsd. Either tell the configure script to look in both places or create one linked directory, otherwise it's pretty straightforward. Mailforward is a perl script that sorts the incoming mail according to user specified strings in the mail header. Installation is relatively simple; however, to work correctly the destination mailboxes must not be open or all the mail winds up in Active.mbox (or the default), even if mail is hidden. Without in any way shape means or form wanting to dump on the fine mailforward script by Chris Paris, there are a number of advantages to using appnmail from the mailapp-utilities on the archives (well, obviously I think so, otherwise I would not have written as I already had mailforward available). 1. It does not require perl. 2. It handles locked mailboxes better ie. it waits until it can get a lock and appends the message then. 3. It is more of a proper UN*X tool in that it does one task and does it well ie. it appends messages to Mail.app mailboxes while leaving the decision to which mailbox to append the message to programs like deliver or procmail or even the user all of which will be much cleverer about it than either it or mailforward could be. It also has a man page. So if you are happy with mailforward, keep using it. On the other hand, if you want to append next mail as an integrated part of one of the common mail handling systems, very likely you are better off with appnmail. Such small utilities, so many words... Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Rebinding function keys In-Reply-To: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU's message of Fri, 9 Apr 93 01:36:42 GMT To: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Apr9100657@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Apr9.013642.1510@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 14:06:57 GMT In article <1993Apr9.013642.1510@leland.Stanford.EDU> magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes: I would like to bind the "Enter" key on my NeXT station keyboard in Emacs to linefeed. Does anyone know how this might be accomplished? I have tried things like: (define-key function-keymap "e" 'newline-and-indent) but it doesn't seem to work. If you are talking about emacs under Terminal.app or Stuart.app, this would be very hard to do as the codes which come through the pty for the enter key and the return key are identical. There is no way emacs can distinguish them. Possibly you could do it by defining a new keyboard layout but this sounds a little bit like overkill. But then why would anyone want to run emacs under Terminal.app or Stuart.app when there is the nice free frontend, Emacs.app. Unfortunately you can't do it under the standard Emacs.app either. Fortunately there is a set of patches to Emacs 2.x which will add this capability and this capability either is or will be part of the standard distribution of Emacs 3.x. Just check whether there is an enabled "Prefix numberic keypad" option in your Emacs.app preferences or I'm mentioned anywhere in the Info panel. Then you can define keys on the numeric keypad independently from keys on the main keypad. Here is an example from my ~/.emacs which redefines all the keypad keys. (global-set-key "\M-O`" '(lambda (arg) "" (interactive "p") (insert-char ?` arg))) (global-set-key "\M-O~" '(lambda (arg) "" (interactive "p") (insert-char ?~ arg))) (global-set-key "\M-O=" '(lambda (arg) "" (interactive "p") (insert-char ?= arg))) (global-set-key "\M-O|" '(lambda (arg) "" (interactive "p") (insert-char ?| arg))) (global-set-key "\M-O/" '(lambda (arg) "" (interactive "p") (insert-char ?/ arg))) (global-set-key "\M-O\\" '(lambda (arg) "" (interactive "p") (insert-char ?\\ arg))) (global-set-key "\M-O*" '(lambda (arg) "" (interactive "p") (insert-char ?* arg))) (global-set-key "\M-O7" 'beginning-of-buffer) (global-set-key "\M-O8" 'previous-line-with-beep) (global-set-key "\M-O9" 'backward-page) (global-set-key "\M-O4" 'backward-char) (global-set-key "\M-O5" 'set-mark-command) (global-set-key "\M-O6" 'forward-char) (global-set-key "\M-O1" 'end-of-buffer) (global-set-key "\M-O2" 'next-line-noextend) (global-set-key "\M-O3" 'forward-page) (global-set-key "\M-O." 'copy-region-as-kill) (global-set-key "\M-O0" 'other-window) (global-set-key "\M-O-" 'kill-region) (global-set-key "\M-O+" 'yank) (global-set-key "\M-O\C-c" 'newline) ; This is the line you want to set Carl Edman
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Date: 10 Apr 1993 08:05:04 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <1q5v3gINNa6p@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> If you are not going to give a scripted demo, I would recommend doing a NeXTMail demo. I know it seems mundane, but it worked when I gave a big demo. RWW. -- Robert W. "What!?! I've-been-tying-my-shoelaces-backwards-all-my-life?" Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Why not 16Mb SIMMS on a nextstation? Message-ID: <1993Apr9.135705.7868@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <C564qn.EE0@imag.fr> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 13:57:05 GMT In article <C564qn.EE0@imag.fr> barel@imag.fr (Max Barel) writes: > > The 32 Mb barrier on our color station (non turbo) make the swapdisk (the internal 100 Meg shifted to this job since we have an external 2.5 GB) hardly working, especialy when running Mathematica and/or MouseX. > > I'd like to know why one can't use 16 Mb SIMMS, is it a hardware or software limitation ? It is a hardware limitation. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr9.160708.8297@bluerose.com> Date: 9 Apr 93 16:07:08 GMT References: <1q246n$ran@hermes.athena.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Distribution: na Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. In article <1q246n$ran@hermes.athena.com> tracy@artemis (Tracy Kugelman) writes: > What more can we [as a software developer] do? You could give anyone who finds an original bug a full refund, let them keep the software, and continue to give them free or discounted upgrades. That's our policy because we believe that software should be reliable. M Carling President, Blue Rose Systems, Inc.
From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Directory Icon for /tmp? Message-ID: <1993Apr9.210115.9169@bluerose.com> Date: 9 Apr 93 21:01:15 GMT References: <KARTHY.93Apr9000113@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: m@bluerose.com Distribution: na Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. In article <KARTHY.93Apr9000113@dannug.dannug.dk> karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) writes: > > >>>>> On Thu, 8 Apr 1993 12:10:36 GMT, Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com said: > > Robert> Anyone have a cool icon (.dir.tiff) for /tmp? Let's see them! > > Well...Have you thought about, that all contents of /tmp will be > removed by every reboot???? Including any .dir.tiff No problem. Just have rc.local put it there after /tmp gets cleaned out. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Danek Duvall) Subject: Alternate as Esc in Terminal Message-ID: <1993Apr10.144018.1949@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 14:40:18 GMT Distribution: world,local Organization: Washington & Lee University Hi all, I've just recently been getting to know emacs, and every day find something new that i love about it. However, using Escape as the Meta key is inconvenient. I know terminal.app has a preferences option for making Alternate the Escape key, but this doesn't work on the new ADB keyboards. I checked the other day that it works on the old ones, and it does. Has anyone found a workaround for this? Thanks, Danek -- Danek Duvall: Washington and Lee U. Internet: duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr10.111037.895@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 93 11:10:37 GMT In article <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> conway@trade.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) writes: > > Hi, > > I am giving a NeXT / NeXTSTEP demonstration to someone pretty important here. I want to give him the best possible demonstration. Any suggestions or pointers to demo scripts would be appreciated very much. > > Thanks - Mark > The best demo is one that shows that the product will solve a real business problem the client has. Find our what is the most pressing problem or a long standing one and show how the NeXT can solve that or address it NOW (no promises of futures). That will always make a sale. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
From: bense@heart3.ucsd.edu (Booker C. Bense) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Using gzip with WorkSpace and Still sending correct nextMail Message-ID: <2543@deadmin.ucsd.edu> Date: 10 Apr 93 17:46:22 GMT References: <C4zn3H.EF3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <2540@deadmin.ucsd.edu> Sender: news@deadmin.ucsd.edu Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD In article <2540@deadmin.ucsd.edu> bense@heart3.ucsd.edu (Booker C. Bense) write s: > >P.S. While I'm feeling generous... Here's a patch to make tcx1.1 work >on NeXTStep_3.0. Anyone trying to run NeXTStep on a Laptop PC will >want this.... TCX is a transparent executable compression program >available from > >turiel.cs.mu.OZ.AU:pub/tcx1.1tar.Z > - WARNING, WARNING, WARNING............. - Some very wierd things have been happening on my system since I installed tcx with the patches I posted. Emacs.app nolonger uses the correct fonts, ftp over my slip connection has behaved flakily. I can get files, but not put them. If I figure out the problem I'll post new solution, but until then................ - DO NOT USE THIS PATCH - - Booker C. Bense SAMUEL JOHNSON 1709P1784 I hate a fellow whom pride, or cowardice, or laziness drives into a corner, and who does nothing when he is there but sit and growl; let him come out as I do, and bark. p.161, n.3. 14 Nov. 1782 PROVERBS Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. 16:18
From: geosh@antioc.antioch.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Info Wanted for student. Message-ID: <1993Apr10.110120.785@antioc.antioch.edu> Date: 10 Apr 93 11:01:20 EDT Organization: Antioch University I know next to nothing (pun not intended) about NeXT machines. I have been an extensive Mac user for several years, but have never purchased my own computer. I would like some information on NeXT workstations... Does NeXT have student aid programs/educational prices/etc? I am a student in the Dayton, Ohio area, so if there is anyone I should talk to in this area, please, let me know. (Quick glance through the yellow pages reveals NO dealers for NeXT) What is the Mac compatibility like? I use Mathematica primarily; along with C programming; I am interested in a 040 based machine with FPU. What is software availability like? Upgrades? Can unix be used on NeXT? (Shows my lack of knowledge) Thanks for the information. (Please e-mail!) Geosh@antioc.antioch.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr10.191058.5121@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <C58y95.7Cp@csie.nctu.edu.tw> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 19:10:58 GMT In article <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> conway@trade.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) writes: > I am giving a NeXT / NeXTSTEP demonstration to someone pretty important > here. I want to give him the best possible demonstration. Any suggestions > or pointers to demo scripts would be appreciated very much. It depends on what the demo is for. NS as a viable multimedia platform? For daily usability on the desktop? Or for application development? You don't want to show somebody multimedia sound stuff when they want to develop database apps, or show them Interface Builder if they will never write an app ... That said, cool stuff by category: Desktop: Edit.app - tell them this is the standard NeXT editor that comes with the machine. Than show them rich text, find, spell checker, colors, etc. Remind them this came with the system, that it is the system's equivalent to "Teach text" on the Mac. Mail.app and how you can drag and drop in/from it. Show how you can paste different media into a mail message. Consistency between apps - the text object, open/save/print/font/color panels, Services, one app launching another or communicating to it. Digital librarian for documentation. Apps such as SBook, Notebook, PasteUp, Improv, Mesa, Concurrence, (and the other ones which I have left out for brevity) Webster's dictioary, and how to reach it through services. Programming: Project builder and Interface Builder! Show how to build a simple app with a menu (put in colors, format, services, and some of your own buttons), a window with a text object, and a "preferences" panel. Get some cool tiffs to use in pushbuttons and as the app icon. The rtf compiler (available from Charles Lloyd, wiltel!clloyd@uunet.uu.net). This excellant plug in to gcc (goes in /usr/local/bin and doesn't affect you if you don't want to use it) allows you to write Objective C (or C and C++) code using rtf (to get nice fonts, colors, help links to documentation or header files/etc.) and than compile that code. Using the standard debugging tools on the NeXT (Edit with the gdsb hooks) also works with rtf, so the only thing you are limited on is "parsing" an rtf header back into Interface Builder. This is impressive, when you show somebody richly formatted code, with links to related files - and than compile it and debug it. Distributed objects - if possible demonstrate this, have two programs talk to one another and show how simple and clean it is to code. Compare to an example of RPC (or straight TCP/IP) programming! Digital Librarian again - this time to find out about the text object, and some methods, etc. Maybe how to subclass, or about delegates, its endless. Header Viewer to look up some constants, find where they are defined, look up structure definitions ... Multimedia: I don't know a lot about the available programs for multimedia - I have heard of some good examples available off the net, and Paste Up is supposed to be great for page layout. In terms of stuff with sound, you may want to send a message to Imagine Multimedia and ask them about their products, I have seen some great stuff from them (I think you could try info@imagine.com, if that doesn't work write to me and I'l try to get a contact address - or anybody reading this?) I'm sure there's more stuff I have missed. I don't know a lot about the DB and Indexing kits, but you may want to look into them as fuel for a demo. One other suggestion - practise the demo and time it, try not to spend too much time on one thing (unless the target of the demo is interested and asks a lot of questions). Also watch for the blank eyed stare - if you go to fast discussing something like distributed objects or how services work. Good luck ! -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
From: mike@stacken.kth.se (Mike Henry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Wanted: Faxmodem advice Keywords: fax, modems, drivers, next Message-ID: <1993Apr10.213054.362@kth.se> Date: 10 Apr 93 21:30:54 GMT References: <1993Mar30.191508.18107@worldbank.org> <tlm.733542626@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: usenet@kth.se (Usenet) Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden In article <tlm.733542626@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: >My supra fax modem worked right out of the box like a charm. The DFax >software does all you ask and will soon support voicemail as well. Both are >quite inexpensive and well worth the $. Hear! Hear! Couldn't agree more. My Supra has Just Worked (tm) and Done The Right Thing (tm) from the get go. Couldn't be more pleased. >Oh yeah, the DFax software will soon work wih the Zyxel, and the NXFax with >the Supra, so you can mix and match from these various items. A Good Thing (tm). >Hope this helps --- Tom This might not help much, but at least I've got my advocating done... ;^) -Mike -- Mike Henry INET : mike@stacken.kth.se /// August Wahlstromsv. 4 /// S-182 31 Danderyd \\\/// SWEDEN TEL : +46 8 755-8687 \XX/
From: mike@stacken.kth.se (Mike Henry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: File transfer: Unix to/from NeXT Message-ID: <1993Apr10.214034.554@kth.se> Date: 10 Apr 93 21:40:34 GMT References: <1pi2hrINNqt9@fred.cs.city.ac.uk> Sender: usenet@kth.se (Usenet) Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden In article <1pi2hrINNqt9@fred.cs.city.ac.uk> mb108@cs.city.ac.uk (omo Adelakun Toyin K) writes: >What's the best means of transferring files between a non-networked pair >of systems: a NeXT system and another Un*x box, say an IBM RS/6000? I've >tried tar'ing files to diskette, and the NeXTStation doesn't wanna know! >("invalid device" or "can't open device" - paraphrased.) tar "formatted" disks (i.e. tar'ing directly to the fd device) aren't standard across any platforms. You may or may not succeed with this between different vendors, most likely not... However, I suggest you use DOS format (which IBM machine undoubtably support), by tar'ing to a file, compressing the result, and then copying the file.tar.Z to the disk. NeXT's will be able to read this one, and you can proceed to zcat /unlabeled | tar xvf - or whatever may be the case. Good Luck! >Toyin. -Mike -- Mike Henry INET : mike@stacken.kth.se /// August Wahlstromsv. 4 /// S-182 31 Danderyd \\\/// SWEDEN TEL : +46 8 755-8687 \XX/
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr10.203257.4162@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 10 Apr 93 20:32:57 GMT References: <1993Apr10.191058.5121@netcom.com> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. Demo SimonSays. Everyone (Apple, IBM, etc) is working in voice recognition. It's not perfect, but it's a cool demo! Also- for programmers, the gdb-edit debugging tools, and Simple.app (the 3Dkit demo. Make sure to drive home the point that the whole app was written with so little code). Use IB to make a sound recording application, or a simple word processor. Those are more impressive than connecting a slider to a field. Demo ARDI's Executor, if the audience is a bunch of Mac users. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu
From: dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Problems with modem Date: 7 Apr 1993 14:34:51 GMT Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences Message-ID: <1puoqb$5t1@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> I am having trouble setting up my modem with my NeXT. I made an entry in the remote file. When I dial up the modem on the other end answers but tip never comes back with a connect, instead it types out RING and hangs up the connection... Any suggestions?? -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Donald F. Bora | If you put garbage in a computer The Institute for the Learning Sciences | nothing comes out but garbage. Northwestern University | But this garbage, having passed Evanston, Ill | through a very expensive machine, e-mail: dbora@ils.nwu.edu | is somehow ennobled and none dare work: (708) 467-1972 | criticize it... -/usr/bin/fortune --------Be excellent to each other--------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Not a BUG!! Message-ID: <1993Apr10.230035.22483@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 23:00:35 GMT Hi, Thanks for a lot of you responded to me regarding the result returned from strcpy(str, NULL) is NOT a bug. I personally agree that it was a bug in my program instead of strcpy() or [[Application workspace] GetFullPath..]. I can understand the efficiency concern for strcpy() to simply just de-references both input pointers without checking its data first. However, can't complain it at all in the sense that it is an aged and proven function in the C world. People still haven't come up with a real solution to stop programmers from falling into those traps again. Here's the example which I thought is the art of programming: Have you thought of how 'typedef enum { NO = 0, YES = 1 } BOOL' would help programmers doing strictly range checking when they really need it? YES, YES, YES, I know you are going to explain to me again that how inefficiently it is going to be..... The truth is After I feel more secure with the program, I would go ahead and 'typedef unsigned BOOL' to regain the speed I wanted first but was afraid to trade-off with bugs. #ifdefine DEBUG typedef enum { NO=0, YES=1 } BOOL; #else typedef unsigned BOOL; Would you rather insert these checking in your code as: if ((ret==YES) || (ret==NO)) then GOOD! else BAD!! Or let the enum handle the dirty works? Please NO FLAME! I was just using my BOOL as an easy example, do not try to convince me that BOOL has got a different implementation. Nice and easy and I believe it is much more elegant than to physically insert every NULL check in the spots when using string functions. YES, I believe a set of string macros that overrides the string functions to force the NULL check with bug report is worth a while. And you may flip it back again when all the trivial bugs are removed. But still the after shock checking is there which really makes my code looks ugly. :-( BOOL isaString(str){ check for NULL terminated char array } if (isaString(str1) && isaString(str2)) strcpy(str1,str2); I guess people just love it when your total accomplishment was judged by the number of lines of code in your Program back in the 80's. -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: zeke@znext.cts.com (james dehnert) Subject: How do you add a Macro Service? Message-ID: <1993Apr10.212247.9313@znext.cts.com> Sender: zeke@znext.cts.com (james dehnert) Organization: pnet Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 21:22:47 GMT Is there a format documentes somewhere on how to add a Macro Service? The NeXT documentation on services mentions Macro services at the very end, but doesn't reference any examples. The image filter example has the following services file, Filter: convertToTIFF Port: A Simple Image Converter Send Type: NXFilenamePboardType:iff Return Type: NXTIFFPboardType Executable: ImageFilter I'd like to be able to call some unix programs from services and mabey even do something like highlight a block of test and use a service to copy it out to a post-it note. If anyone out there has made a Macro service, or has any examples I'd love to hear from you. Thanks, Zeke -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+\|/+= Eschew Obfuscation Next Mail Welcome =+\|/+= +=/|\=+ James "Zeke" Dehnert zeke@znext.cts.com +=/|\=+
From: sailer@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Transfer of Ownership. Who cares? Message-ID: <C5Aq8u.6ML@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> Date: 11 Apr 93 01:46:05 GMT Article-I.D.: hpuerca.C5Aq8u.6ML Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta Over in another thread, people are discussing a recent flare up between one long time NeXT supporter who *sells* software, and another long time NeXT supporter who bought a copy, and now wants to sell it. The seller's license prohibits the transfer. OK. There choice, I guess. But why? Why do software vendors try to prohibit transfer? -- Lee Sailer - Let's leave my employer out of this, OK?
From: sailer@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Garfinkel / Mahoney Book ERRATA Message-ID: <C5Ar6I.73D@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> Date: 11 Apr 93 02:06:17 GMT Article-I.D.: hpuerca.C5Ar6I.73D References: <C58IvF.9Dw@csulb.edu> Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta Hey. Thanks. Great book, and now great service, too. -- Lee Sailer - Let's leave my employer out of this, OK?
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Alternate as Esc in Terminal Message-ID: <66294@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 11 Apr 93 03:46:33 GMT References: <1993Apr10.144018.1949@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Distribution: world,local Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993Apr10.144018.1949@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Danek Duvall) writes: > I know terminal.app has a preferences option for making > Alternate the Escape key, but this doesn't work on the new ADB keyboards. > Has anyone found a workaround for this? you could try Stuart from the archives or Educational CD. it beats the hell out of Terminal anyway and might work with ADB I dont have an ADB machine to test it, but its worth a try. -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Microsoft wants people with NeXT experience. Message-ID: <1q7u9bINN7o3@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 11 Apr 93 02:03:23 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University I found an add for "Program management" with Microsoft in the April 1993 issue of Communications of the ACM on p152. They want people with 2-5 years of Microsoft Windows, Macintosh, and/or NeXTStep. ^^^^^^^^ What might this tell you? -- Dion Dock __ __ NeXT mail? working on it / ) / ) / dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu / / o ______ / / _____. /_ /__/_<_(_) / <_ /__/_(_) (__/ <_
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd) Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr11.050638.24040@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York References: <C58y95.7Cp@csie.nctu.edu.tw> <1993Apr10.191058.5121@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 93 05:06:38 GMT In article <1993Apr9.193747.18633@ryn.mro4.dec.com> conway@trade.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) writes: > > Hi, > > I am giving a NeXT / NeXTSTEP demonstration to someone pretty important here. I want to give him the best possible demonstration. Any suggestions or pointers to demo scripts would be appreciated very much. > > Thanks - Mark > I'd suggest for a sit-down stretch demo (eg: the time it takes for the demoees to wander in and sit down) as ModPlayer. The DSP sounds pretty good and it demonstrates the multi-tasking environment if you open up an edit window or something while ModPlayer is playing a fancy synthesizer track uninterrupted. Plus, some of the mods in the library are really neat and make good soundtracks for a demo. -- John Todd | University of Rochester, Rochester NY USA Earth Milky Way CPU 276686 | "Charracter is whata you arre ina the dark!" - E. Lizardo Rochester NY 14627| Jeeps Bought/Sold * Dictators Overthrown * Bombs Defused jtod@alora.cc.rochester.edu (NeXT mail) jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Transfer of Ownership. Who cares? Message-ID: <C5B4M3.5zL@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <C5Aq8u.6ML@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 06:56:12 GMT sailer@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer) writes: >Over in another thread, people are discussing a recent flare up >between one long time NeXT supporter who *sells* software, and >another long time NeXT supporter who bought a copy, and now wants >to sell it. > The seller's license prohibits the transfer. OK. There >choice, I guess. > But why? Why do software vendors try to prohibit transfer? The issue deals with reduced-price educational versions of software. (Same software as the regular version, but at a large discount) The idea is that the company doesn't want a student to buy their product for $30 and then transfer that license to a non-student who would have had to pay $300 for it. The whole idea is giving price breaks to students, who probably can't afford more. If you allow them to let non-students get the same kind of breaks, it 'steals' money away from the company. At least as I see it. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Subject: Re: Microsoft wants people with NeXT experience. Message-ID: <16BAD1E33.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: University of Missouri References: <1q7u9bINN7o3@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 07:08:38 GMT In article <1q7u9bINN7o3@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) writes: >I found an add for "Program management" with Microsoft in the April 1993 >issue of Communications of the ACM on p152. They want people with 2-5 years of >Microsoft Windows, Macintosh, and/or NeXTStep. > ^^^^^^^^ >What might this tell you? > >Dion Dock __ __ If Microslob is waiting this long to get people with experience writing GUI apps, then it tells me that a) W-NT still isn't going to be around for a while, or b) third-party software developers haven't come forward, or c) third-party software developers are excluded from development so that MS can micromanage their pathetic corner of the universe, or d) MS needs some programmers who've worked in a REAL OOP environment (this applies only to us, of course). I LOVE MicroSoft - NOT! Regards, David K. Drum uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (no nextmail please)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aelman@cs.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Transfer of Ownership. Who cares? Message-ID: <1993Apr11.072728.6571@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <C5B4M3.5zL@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 93 07:27:28 GMT In article <C5B4M3.5zL@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: > sailer@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer) writes: > > >Over in another thread, people are discussing a recent flare up > >between one long time NeXT supporter who *sells* software, and > >another long time NeXT supporter who bought a copy, and now wants > >to sell it. > > > The seller's license prohibits the transfer. OK. There > >choice, I guess. > > > But why? Why do software vendors try to prohibit transfer? > > The issue deals with reduced-price educational versions of software. > (Same software as the regular version, but at a large discount) The > idea is that the company doesn't want a student to buy their product > for $30 and then transfer that license to a non-student who would > have had to pay $300 for it. The whole idea is giving price breaks > to students, who probably can't afford more. If you allow them to > let non-students get the same kind of breaks, it 'steals' money away > from the company. > At least as I see it. Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. Of course, the question remains (and I believe this was the case in the original post) of whether it should be possible to transfer ownership to someone else who _would_ be eligible for the same reduced-price license; another student, for instance. Would it be possible to make this kind of legal distinction in a license, or is it simply too complicated to be worth it? (The latter would be my guess...) Adam Elman aelman@cs.stanford.edu
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Alternate as Esc in Terminal Date: 11 Apr 1993 08:52:50 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Distribution: world,local Message-ID: <1q94b2INN1g1@systemix.com> References: <1993Apr10.144018.1949@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> <66294@mimsy.umd.edu> In article <66294@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: >In article <1993Apr10.144018.1949@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Danek Duvall) writes: >> I know terminal.app has a preferences option for making >> Alternate the Escape key, but this doesn't work on the new ADB keyboards. >> Has anyone found a workaround for this? > >you could try Stuart from the archives or Educational CD. >it beats the hell out of Terminal anyway and might work with ADB >I dont have an ADB machine to test it, but its worth a try. Stuart does map the keys on the ADB keyboards correctly. Why NeXT's own terminal program doesn't is a real mystery. As Alex said, Stuart is *much* better than terminal anyway. Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: Wanted: Faxmodem advice Date: 11 Apr 1993 09:01:55 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1q94s3INN1h2@systemix.com> References: <1993Mar30.191508.18107@worldbank.org> <tlm.733542626@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <1993Apr10.213054.362@kth.se> Keywords: fax, modems, drivers, next I highly recommend the ZyXEL and NXFax combo available from Black&White Software. Besides doing all the right things when it comes to multiplexing Incoming/Outgoing DATA/FAX calls, it also supports identa-ring. What I've done, for a year or so now, is to use an identa-ring number for incoming FAX calls. Then, when someone calls the FAX number the modem knows to answer immediately. Otherwise, the modem ignores the call and either someone answers it, or it rolls over to voice mail. Of course, all of this is going to be irrelevant in less than a week when my ISDN service gets installed. Cheers, Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? Message-ID: <1993Apr11.112755.1751@yvax.byu.edu> From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 11 Apr 93 11:27:55 -0700 References: <1993Apr6.042222.7931@bluerose.com> In article <1993Apr6.042222.7931@bluerose.com> writes: >Doesn't sound like a load to me. IDE sucks, and the Adaptec is a very nice >card (for ISA). BTW, the 1542B is discontinued, having been superceded by >the 1542C. The 1542C requires PR2 or later. You might consider getting a >1540C (sans floppy controller) instead because NS doesn't yet support the >1542's floppy controller. It's been my experience that IDE is typically faster than SCSI because it is design-dependent on particular kinds of hard drives, whereas SCSI is a general protocol (the standard explanation in MacWORLD as to why Mac hard drives are slower than PC hard drives). But this also means that IDE is locked into specific sizes and styles of hard drives (most importantly, a maximum size around 300 Meg), and that it is not useful for anything other than hard drives, really. It *may* be that NeXT's IDE driver isn't so hot, and so SCSI wins out. But given the noise around here about NeXT's SCSI driver... :) I'd pick SCSI any day. One port. Just plug in your hard drive, scanner, monitor(!), tape drive, CD-ROM, parallel-port adapter, etc. Who cares if the performance is a bit off? Machines are getting faster by the minute. -- Sean Luke Brigham Young University MILK: It Comes From Cows sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Help - Installing "Permanent" CD-ROM Mount Point Message-ID: <1993Apr11.172947.614@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 17:29:47 GMT Help! Has anyone had success making a CD-ROM device mount permanently? I want to have access to the BANG CD-ROM without interruption by mounting it on our server's /LocalLibrary/CD directory. However, whenever someone logs in as root or reboots the machine, Bad Things happen: 1. After reboot, the CD has not been mounted, so the export is lost; I must manually login and do an export. 2. Once a user logs out (or sometimes logs in) on the server, they are prompted with a panel which says "Eject disk in external drive 4" (the CD-ROM drive). The CD is apparently unmounted at this point. What I've done so far to try and achieve the desired result: first, I have a mount command in rc.local, and I have NetInfo export the /LocalLibrary/CD directory. The mount command is: (mount -ot ro,removable,filesystem=CDROM cfs /dev/rsd4h /LocalLibrary/CD) & >/dev/console (All on one line, of course). Half the time this command doesn't seem to work. The other half it does, but the problems in #1 and #2 are encountered. I tried adding the CD to the fstab, but that doesn't seem to work either, for reasons which I don't understand. The server has NeXTSTEP 3.0 on it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail suggestions to me and I'll summarize on the net. Thanks in advance! -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Software Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - use NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: incompatible postscripts Message-ID: <1993Apr11.180201.6950@moksha.uucp> Keywords: postscript Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 18:02:01 GMT I have a friend who needs to read and display on his NeXT postscript files created from lots of different sources: next apps, mac apps and windows/dos apps. He's finding that there's postscript and then there's postscript. Some implementations add stuff, others don't support stuff. Are there any good tools for trying to massage postscript files into any sort of "standard" that the NeXT will be able to display ? Any other ideas you may have would certainly be welcome. Thanks. --- mgb@moksha.UUCP mgb@stetson.BITNET NeXT mail welcome ! -- -Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: Re: Anyone going to NeXTWorld that doesn't want NS/I deal? Message-ID: <1993Apr11.103318.9258@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management References: <1993Apr8.032239.2456@drefla.mese.com> Date: 11 Apr 93 10:33:17 PDT I will offer $450 for the complete NS/Intel environment upon issue. This is only of interest to anyone who will attend the NS/Expo show but has no need to purchase the bundled NS/Intel. /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Webster from the command line in 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Apr11.135444.10498@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <C5874K.DrC@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 13:54:44 GMT In article <C5874K.DrC@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> klein@math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (John R. Klein) writes: > Has anyone a patch (for System 3.0) that allows one to > access Webster from a terminal window? > > I pulled the 2.0 patch off an ftp server--but it doesn't work. > Webster service is available through a PD program you might have had in mind making the above posting. As neither NeXT nor Wbster's publishers are interested in advertizing this way of access (no additional sales?) they didn't provide it on their own. Webster's indexing is now done differently in NS 3.0 and not supported by the Webster deamon, thus you need to get the old version of the Wester files and install them on your machine. Webster deamon will then work just fine in your whole network! -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-7527 Kraichtal 2 | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Patrick Stein) Subject: ZyXEL && NeXT == voicemailbox && fax && modem FOR FREE Sender: news@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (News System) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 23:41:08 GMT Message-ID: <C5CF4L.F3C@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> hiho If you have a ZyXEL and a NeXT you need am.1.00-beta.2.tar.Z I uploaded the newest version of my am program to ' ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de ' it is now in '/pub/next/1/' but will be soon found in '/pub/next/Comm/' have fun with it - jolly ( who else ? ) --- ======================================================= Jolly alias Patrick Stein = jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de Centrum fuer Informations und Sprachverarbeitung der Ludwig Maximilians Universitaet Muenchen Tel: ++49 +89 -36 40 72 (priv) +89 -950 57 34 "Every day u don t smile is a wasted day P) " C.Chaplin ======================================================= -- ======================================================= Jolly alias Patrick Stein = jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de Centrum fuer Informations und Sprachverarbeitung der
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <66311@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 12 Apr 93 00:42:48 GMT References: <C58y95.7Cp@csie.nctu.edu.tw> <1993Apr10.191058.5121@netcom.com> <1993Apr11.050638.24040@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Mark Conway writes: >> I am giving a NeXT / NeXTSTEP demonstration to someone pretty >> important here. I want to give him the best possible demonstration. John "Jeep" Todd writes: > I'd suggest for a sit-down stretch demo (eg: the time it takes for the > demoees to wander in and sit down) as ModPlayer. The DSP sounds pretty good ModPlayer is nice and all, but if you really want to impress someone, play some score files like the BachFugue that originally shipped with NS. the sound quality is much better -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr12.015516.8667@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <66311@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 01:55:16 GMT In article <66311@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: Does the 2.1 Guided Tour app still work on 3.0 systems? I thought that was an awesome demo of the machine's capabilities, and I've been puzzled why there weren't more apps like it. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: knelson@milli.cs.umn.edu (Kenneth Nelson) Subject: CDPlayer.app & audio CD's Message-ID: <C52F86.Fno@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept. Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 14:07:16 GMT I'm unable to get my system (ND w/ NS 3.0) to recognize audio CD's. Also, CDPlayer.app can not open the CD ROM drive. I haven't seen any references to this problem in NeXTanswers or the FAQ, but remember some discussion regarding CDPlayer problems recently. The Workspace recognizes/reads data disks (i.e. NS 3.0 disk) with no problems. Please help. Thanks, Ken Here's the console log... sd2 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd2 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) sd2 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd2 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 4 (no valid label) sd2 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd2 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 8 (no valid label) sd2 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd2 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 12 (no valid label) DISK UNFORMATTED Disk is Write Protected Apr 5 22:03:08 Workspace: Mounted scsi disk at /cdaudio cdaudio.util: CANNOT OPEN CDPlayer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@shell.portal.com (Eric Schwartz) Subject: Dvorak keyboards? Message-ID: <C5CspE.Awq@unix.portal.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 04:34:24 GMT Has anyone had any luck turning their NeXT keyboards into Dvorak format? I picked up a Dvorak.keymapping from the archives ages ago, and it appears to be in the right place (/NextLibrary/Keyboards), but Preferences tells me "Can't use that keyboard file" when I click on the Dvorak entry in Keyboard Preferences. Thanks, Eric eric@whyanext.com :write -- Eric Schwartz eps@shell.portal.com
From: michael@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Alternate as Esc in Terminal Date: 11 Apr 1993 22:28:25 GMT Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands Distribution: world,local Message-ID: <1qa629$4bp@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1993Apr10.144018.1949@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> In article <1993Apr10.144018.1949@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Danek Duvall) writes: > Hi all, > I've just recently been getting to know emacs, and every day find > something new that i love about it. However, using Escape as the Meta key > is inconvenient. I know terminal.app has a preferences option for making > Alternate the Escape key, but this doesn't work on the new ADB keyboards. > I checked the other day that it works on the old ones, and it does. Has > anyone found a workaround for this? Try Emacs.app, a NeXTSTEP frontend for using GNU emacs. Not only does the alternate key act as meta key, but Emacs.app also provides X like mouse stuff for emacs (and lots of other stuff). Emacs-3.0 is available in source form from an archive near you. Emacs-3.1 will soon be released providing support for 8-bit characters and more. Michael
From: romero-carnot@yale.edu (Carnot A. Romero) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IBM (not Cyrix) 486SLC & Nextstep 486 Date: 12 Apr 1993 01:49:17 -0400 Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Distribution: na Message-ID: <1qavstINNajr@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> A point of clarification requested: I understand that only genuine Intel chips will run NextStep, not the Cyrix chips or other clones. I also understand that IBM's 486SLC, not the same as the Cyrix chip (can't one of them change their name?!?) is an Intel-derivative, but with the 16-bit data path &c.. The question of the day is, Is IBM's 486SLC close enough to a real Intel chip to satisfy NeXT? I ask because I'm thinking about Thinkpad 700C's right about now, and wouldn't mind putting NeXTstep up if I had the option. Thanks for anything anyone can tell me. -Antonio Romero romero@minerva.cis.yale.edu
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Executor performance Message-ID: <1993Apr12.042442.12438@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 12 Apr 93 04:24:42 GMT Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. FYI, I just ran the Macintosh benchmarking program Speedometer under Executor v 1.2.1. Though this doesn't show real-world speed, it's still interesting (at least I thought so :) ) Here's the results: What's strange is that the Disk performance is listed as 8.244 (times the speed of a Mac Classic). Speedometer includes ratings for a bunch of Macs for comparison, and the Quadra 700 is given a score of 1.98. Either the NeXT's driver isn't _that_ bad, or there's some strange interaction between Executor and the disk benchmark. Performance Rating (Uses Mac Classic as 1.0) CPU: 23.360 Graphics: 9.049 Disk: 8.244 Math: 30.344 Performance Rating (PR): 16.742 Benchmark Results (Uses Mac Classic as 1.0): KWhetstones: 495.867 68.736 Dhrystones: 23809.523 25.992 Towers: 28.727 QuickSort: 27.421 Bubble Sort: 27.266 Queens: 30.250 Puzzle: 22.428 Permutations: 23.829 Fast Fourier: 20.459 F.P. Matrix Multiply: 22.030 Integer Matrix Multiply: 17.945 Sieve: 22.294 Benchmark Average: 28.115 FPU Tests (Uses Mac II as 1.0): FFPU Fast Fourier: 14.727 FPU KWhetstones: 4285.714 6.714 FPU F.P. Matrix Mult.: 12.083 FPU Test Average: 11.174 -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: My Response to Unix Review Date: 12 Apr 1993 09:06:52 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qbbfcINNi5r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> To:editor@ureview.com cc:andrew@ureview.com,zmonster@athena.mit.edu Subject:Response to May 1993 Unix Review Editorial on NeXT, Inc. -------- April 12, 1993 Dear Unix Review Editors, I am submitting this letter as a response to an editorial, and I ask that it be considered for printing in the next edition of Unix Review. I am extremely disappointed with the editorial in May's issue of Unix Review. The article, mostly about NeXT, Inc., is filled with personal biases and gross falsehoods. Although editorials are supposed to be subtle expressions of opinion, this particular manifesto, with all of its misrepresentations and deleterious vocabulary, resembles a calculated attack against Steve Jobs and NeXT, Inc. I therefore find it necessary to correct the article's many inaccuracies, not only to set the record straight, but also to set the misinformed editor straight. 1. The editor states that the minimum requirements for NEXTSTEP/Intel are 24 megs of memory, and 400 megs of hard drive space. This is completely untrue. The user version of NEXTSTEP requires 8 megs of memory for the monochrome system, 16 megs of memory for the color system, and 120 megs of hard drive space. 2. The editor states that NEXTSTEP is incompatible with all other systems sold. This is utterly untrue. NEXTSTEP is arguably the most compatible operating system/user environment around. It's Berkeley 4.3 BSD UNIX base allows any UNIX, X11R4, or X11R5 application to be used. Furthermore, NEXTSTEP's networking support includes TCP/IP, NFS, UNIX, AppleTalk, Novell Client, NIS, BIND, and 3270 emulation. On the applications front, NEXTSTEP/Intel will be able to run DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 applications. In addition to the Macintosh emulator available for NEXTSTEP, there are roughly 400 shrink-wrapped NEXTSTEP applications currently shipping, with many more lined up for a May 25 release date. 3. The editor states that the object-oriented aspect of NEXTSTEP is invisible to the user. This is entirely untrue. The power of objects, and hence the power of NEXTSTEP, lies in that all applications use universal objects for printing, color selection, FAX, preferences, etc. Once the user configures objects in one application, they remain configured for all other applications. Moreover, data (a set of objects) from an application can be linked into another application and updated live, even across a world-wide network. These two simple examples just begin to indicate the "visibility" of objects in NEXTSTEP. 4. The editor states that the object-oriented aspect of NEXTSTEP is of debatable benefit to developers. However, the editor goes on to say that NEXTSTEP will have imminent competition from Taligent and Microsoft's Cairo, both of which will be object-oriented systems. This inconsistency underlies the editor's complete lack of knowledge about the subject. If object-oriented technology has no clear advantage, as the editor seems to imply, then why will NEXTSTEP see "imminent" competition from Taligent and Cairo? Why are these other companies even bothering at all? The answer to these questions is quite simple. Object-oriented technology is the future of computing, and NeXT, Microsoft, and Taligent realize it. The only difference is that NeXT realized it 3 years before Microsoft and Taligent did. Hence NeXT will continue to have a 3-5 year lead in object-oriented technology and innovation. Sincerely Yours, Eric Hermanson Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Re: What a BUG!!! Message-ID: <C5B92p.8o4@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown References: <1178@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 08:32:48 GMT In article <1178@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > ... some NeXT system call that returns some information about the > currently chosen printer happens to return NULL if there has never been > a printer chosen. Almost every user (and beta tester) has at some point > chosen a printer, but brand new computers and their users sometimes have > not. The app crashed unmercifully until they had chosen a printer. A > bug, to be sure, but one that we had not anticipated, since the NULL pointer > was being returned by system code. Did the documentation for the system call specify that a NULL would be returned in the event that no printer had been chosen? In fact, returning a NULL in such a case sounds like exactly the thing that the system call should do when no printer has been chosen. And if the call is documented to return a NULL under some conditions, there's no excuse for failing to check for that eventuality (no matter how rare). Jim Vlcek vlcek@epimbe.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Transfer of Ownership. Who cares? Message-ID: <1993Apr11.171134.2175@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <C5B4M3.5zL@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 17:11:34 GMT In article <C5B4M3.5zL@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: > sailer@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Lee Sailer) writes: > > >Over in another thread, people are discussing a recent flare up > >between one long time NeXT supporter who *sells* software, and > >another long time NeXT supporter who bought a copy, and now wants > >to sell it. > > > The seller's license prohibits the transfer. OK. There > >choice, I guess. > > > But why? Why do software vendors try to prohibit transfer? > > The issue deals with reduced-price educational versions of software. > (Same software as the regular version, but at a large discount) The > idea is that the company doesn't want a student to buy their product > for $30 and then transfer that license to a non-student who would > have had to pay $300 for it. The whole idea is giving price breaks > to students, who probably can't afford more. If you allow them to > let non-students get the same kind of breaks, it 'steals' money away > from the company. > At least as I see it. No, these policies also proscribe transfers to other students. The reason is that if we sell a license to a student for $40, that $40 only just covers the cost to us of producing the license, recording it, and interacting with the student. We make nothing on the transaction. If subsequent to that we have to do it all over again, including verifying that the recipient is a student, then we are losing money. The cost of doing transfer is the same as that of issuing a new license, so rather than charge a $40 transfer fee, we just sell a new one. M Carling President, Blue Rose Systems, Inc.
From: bostrov@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Vareck Bostrom) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1qbuj6INN83v@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 12 Apr 93 14:33:10 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1qbuj6INN83v References: <1pghu8INNl6c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <1993Apr3.170240.9040@qb.rhein-main.de> <1993Apr7.201750.27221@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University In article <1993Apr7.201750.27221@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: >In article <1993Apr3.170240.9040@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: >>In article <1pghu8INNl6c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> >>bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes: >>[...] >>> I have heard that the DX/3 is about the same speed as P5 EMULATING a 486, >>> anybody care to coment..... >> >>What you've heard is partly boulderdash. A Pentium runs about 40%-60% faster >>than a 486 with the same clock frequency on common code (i.e. the famous >>"millions of applications" we allegedly cannot live without). That >>corresponds to roughly 35-40 SPECint92, not a very exciting figure. >>Code that's compiled specifically for Pentium using pre-alpha intel-only >>compilers that make use of non-disclosed information (Appendix H of the >>Pentium documentation) gets up to 60 SPECint92, which isn't too fast either. I though some people would be interested in some benchmarks; Here are some SPEC results I have handy: Machine CPU Spec92Int Spec92FP Intel 486/50 486DX50 30.1 14.0 Intel 486/66 486DX266 32.4 16.1 Intel P5/66 Pentium-66 64.5 56.9 DEC 3k 400 AXP ? Alpha-133MHz 65.3 112.2 DEC 3k 500 AXP Alpha - ???MHz 74.3 126.0 HP 9k/705 parisc 33 mhz 22.7 39.3 HP 9k/710 parisc 50 mhz 32.7 56.4 HP 9k/730 parisc 66 mhz 52.0 86.7 HP 9k/735 parisc 99 mhz 80.0 150.6 Sun Sparc IPC 25 mhz sparc 13.8 11.1 Sun Sparc LX 40 mhz microsparc 26.4 21.0 Sun Sparc 10/20 33 mhz supersparc 39.8 46.6 Sun Sparc 10/30 36 mhz supersparc 44.2 52.9 Sun Sparc 10/41 40 mhz supersparc 52.6 64.7 Sun Sparc 10/52 2 45 mhz supersparcs 58.1 (each) 71.4 (each) From what I am told, pentium is only 1.0 to 1.5 times faster than a similiar clocked 486 when running 486 code. When running Pentium (incompatiable with 486) code, you get about a 2.0x Integer and a 4.5x FP performance boost. My results for the AXP machines may be for 100 and 133 MHz Alphas, I don't know. If you are looking for FP, like I am, I think that an HP 9000/7xx is probably the best way to go for the money. Keep in mind that machines with Pentium CPUs built into 486-class ISA and EISA busses are still not going to have the overall system performance of machines like the supersparc based Sun machines or parisc based HPs. - bostrov@research.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: npratt@teton.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Subject: Re: NeXT-Distributed-Objects Message-ID: <C5DME6.3Lo@javelin.sim.es.com> Sender: news@javelin.sim.es.com Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. References: <1993Apr10.012325.10808@wpa.com!dflora> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 15:15:41 GMT In article 10808@wpa.com!dflora, dflora!peter@wpa.com (Peter D. Wilson) writes: > Have any object request brokers, ORB's, been constructed which allow services > provided by NeXT-Distributed-Objects to accessed outside the NeXT community ? > What is the current state of distributed object technology elsewhere ? > > Thanks > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > peter d. wilson > dflora!peter@wpa.com (NeXT prefered) > wilsonp@mobot.org (god no!) Have any ORB's been written for *ANY* platform that follow the CORBA specification? I would like to study the implementation. Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Wanted: borrow or rent machine in Madison, Wis on Friday, April 16 Message-ID: <1993Apr12.141013.360@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: Pro Forma Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 14:10:13 GMT I have a demo coming up in Madison, Wisconsin on Friday, April 16. Rather than risk shipping my cube and monitor, I would like rent a suitable machine for that day. I only need Black and White, would prefer 3.1PR1, and need as much ram as possible. Alternatively, if you have just a b/w monitor, I could bring the cube and borrow the monitor. Anything that reduces our exposure to equipment loss is desired. If you can help, please email me your phone number, and I will contact you. --J Gregory Sorry for the wide distribution; I didn't know a more refined one.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 2.89MB floppies and NS/i Message-ID: <1993Apr12.154222.182924@zeus.calpoly.edu> From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 15:42:22 GMT Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu References: <1993Apr9.015230.6189@bluerose.com> Distribution: na Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <1993Apr9.015230.6189@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: > In article <1993Apr8.022440.5017@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org > (Nicolas Dore) writes: > > Hi > > > > Will NeXTSTEP/intel support (either right away, or in the announced > > future) 2.88MB diskette drives available for PCs. I have seen some at > > around 300$ for drive+controller, so I am wondering if that would be a > > good idea for a future NeXTSTEP PC. > > Not right away. Does a 2.88 take a special controller? I've seen the drive mechanisms for <$100. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: jk@tools.de (Juergen Keil) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CD_ROM drive compatibility Date: 12 Apr 93 17:27:01 GMT Organization: TooLs GmbH, Bonn, Germany Message-ID: <JK.93Apr12182701@leo.tools.de> References: <1ptdupINN35q@disc.coactive.com> In-reply-to: dan@coactive.com's message of 7 Apr 1993 02:23:21 GMT In article <1ptdupINN35q@disc.coactive.com> dan@coactive.com (dan hennage) writes: > Has anyone out there interfaced a Toshiba 3401E CD-ROM Drive to a NeXT? Yes, the 3401 works fine on a NeXT. The only problem is that volume control in the CDaudio player doesn't work (they use a 'vendor unique' scsi command (with vendor == Sony) to control the volume instead of the appropriate SCSI-2 mode page). To make use of the other features of the Toshiba drives (CDROM/XA, multisession and CD-DA reading), you'll need a special driver, though. -- Juergen Keil jk@tools.de ...!{uunet,mcsun}!unido!tools!jk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: IBM (not Cyrix) 486SLC & Nextstep 486 Message-ID: <1993Apr12.154808.185775@zeus.calpoly.edu> From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 15:48:08 GMT Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu References: <1qavstINNajr@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> Distribution: na Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <1qavstINNajr@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> romero-carnot@yale.edu (Carnot A. Romero) writes: > A point of clarification requested: > > I understand that only genuine Intel chips will run NextStep, not the > Cyrix chips or other clones. I also understand that IBM's 486SLC, not > the same as the Cyrix chip (can't one of them change their name?!?) > is an Intel-derivative, but with the 16-bit data path &c.. The question > of the day is, > > Is IBM's 486SLC close enough to a real Intel chip to satisfy > NeXT? > > I ask because I'm thinking about Thinkpad 700C's right about now, > and wouldn't mind putting NeXTstep up if I had the option. > > Thanks for anything anyone can tell me. > > -Antonio Romero romero@minerva.cis.yale.edu I believe that it is but I would as NeXT directly to be positive. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: incompatible postscripts Message-ID: <1993Apr12.170025.18141@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Apr11.180201.6950@moksha.uucp> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 17:00:25 GMT Michael Branton writes > I have a friend who needs to read and display on his NeXT postscript > files created from lots of different sources: next apps, mac apps > and windows/dos apps. He's finding that there's postscript and then > there's postscript. Some implementations add stuff, others don't > support stuff. Are there any good tools for trying to massage > postscript files into any sort of "standard" that the NeXT will be > able to display ? Any other ideas you may have would certainly be > welcome. The current Macintosh and Windows PostScript drivers do indeed put out some gunk. It takes effort to write device-dependant PostScript, but it seems to be something these drivers excel at. Anyway, the Level 2 Display PostScript that's in NEXTSTEP 3.0 contains all the imaging operators needed. Any other operators that a file contains that come back as undefined *shouldn't have been there in the first place*. They can be replaced by an empty procedure that pops the right number of arguments off the stack (e.g., /setjobtimeout { pop } def). I would begin collecting such null definitions into a prolog tht you can paste into such files before viewing them. The best PostScript generated by any printer driver is the NeXT, followed by the Adobe Macintosh and Windows drivers (to be released soon). I've had no problems with the PostScript generated by the Adobe PSWriter on the Macintosh. If this is something that your friend is going to be doing as an ongoing thing, he'll want to get ahold of those as sson as possible - it will make his ife much easier. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr12.175744.22981@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <1993Apr10.191058.5121@netcom.com> <1993Apr10.203257.4162@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 17:57:44 GMT In article <1993Apr10.203257.4162@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: >Demo SimonSays. Everyone (Apple, IBM, etc) is working in voice recognition. >It's not perfect, but it's a cool demo! > >Also- for programmers, the gdb-edit debugging tools, and Simple.app (the 3Dkit >demo. Make sure to drive home the point that the whole app was written with >so little code). > >Use IB to make a sound recording application, or a simple word processor. >Those are more impressive than connecting a slider to a field. > I disagree--one of the best demo I have seen on a NeXT was the quick FtoC (degree) converter. It shows off IB well and you do the following: Start with Text Field to input the temperture value. Build the rest of the interface and write the two lines of code needed (being sure to message the Text Field with id sender, eg, [sender floatValue]) and compile the app and run it. Now go back into IB and replace the Text Field with a Slider. DO NOT RECOMPILE! Just save and run. The slider replaces the id sender at run time. This is what dynamic binding and NeXT are all about. Good luck, Charlie >-- >Jonathan W. Hendry >Drexel University College Of Info. Studies >tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: ian@sq.sq.com (Ian Darwin) Subject: Re: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Message-ID: <1993Apr12.174436.678@sq.sq.com> Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada References: <1993Apr7.201624.15577@wam.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 17:44:36 GMT As Sun has learned to their considerable cost with OPEN LOOK, it really doesn't matter if a user interface is "aesthetic", or better. What matters in any marketing free-for-all is numbers, and the numbers point to Motif (ugly as it is, ugly as it is, ugly as it is), not to NeXtStEp. Yes, it's better. Yes, it's better. Yes, it's better. So was OPEN LOOK. So on a different front was NeWS. They both lost, and so I predict will NeXTsTEp. Ian Darwin ian@sq.com Disclaimer - several items are repeated in triplicate for the bureaucratic and the absorptionally challenged, not to fill up your NEWS spool.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy) Subject: (?) has nfswatch been ported to the NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Apr12.180711.2728@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 18:07:11 GMT howdy. has anyone heard/seen a version of the "nfswatch" monitoring program which has been ported to the nExt? when we tried to compile it, there were *many* compilation warnings/errors. on a related note: if nfswatch has not been ported to the nExt, then are there any network monitoring programs available for nExtstep which could be recommended for use or to stay away from? any comments on the above requests are welcome via email or post. ed
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Multiple docked applications? Date: 12 Apr 1993 17:18:58 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qc4pi$3pt@steffi.demon.co.uk> How does one run more than one instance of a docked application? Currently I have to use the file viewer with the ALT key pressed down. -- "May I take your order now" "Yeah, sure I'll have one big mac, hold the onions" "You want fries with that?" "No thanks" (One computing honors grad to another)
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Final Call for Submissions for the Computerworld Object Application Awards Message-ID: <7392@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 12 Apr 93 18:43:56 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy For further information, contact: Bill Hoffman Computerworld Object Application Awards Program c/o Object Management Group 492 Old Connecticut Path Framingham, Massachusetts 01701 Phone: 508-820-4300 Announcing Final Call for Submissions for the 1993 Computerworld Object Application Awards [Deadline for submissions: Thursday, April 15, 1993.] The 2nd annual Computerworld Object Application Awards are being sponsored by Computerworld Magazine and the Object Management Group. Finalists will be notified in early May and winners will be announced at a special ceremony Wednesday, June 16th, at Object World, in Moscone Center, San Francisco. Steve Jobs will be the master of ceremony for the event. Who should enter: Submit innovative custom applications using object technology under the following guidelines: - a custom application not for resale - a custom application currently in use - an application you built from scratch - a modification of an off-the-shelf application An application form has been placed on the cs.orst.edu archive site under the following file: /pub/next/submissions/Object_Awards-Computerworld-93.ps.Z
From: tracy@athena.com (Tracy Kugelman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ***Athena Design welcomes Custom Programmers*** Date: 12 Apr 1993 19:09:18 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1qceov$pjc@hermes.athena.com> ****Athena Design Welcomes Custom Programmers at NeXTWORLD EXPO**** Athena Design is making space available at NeXTWORLD EXPO to developers who have designed custom apps using MESA. Athena Design will have a computer available at Booth #208 during the EXPO to show off new applications using Mesa's custom programming features. We are taking registrations from all interested developers. We will try to accommodate as many people as possible. Please contact us early. Please provide me with a brief description of what your app or AddIn can do. Please bring your disks and any information you would like to give out. Please specify what hardware specifications you require. If you are interested please contact Tracy Kugelman at tracy@athena.com. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Tracy Kugelman, Director tel. 1.617.734.MESA (6372) Sales and Marketing fax 1.617.734.1130 Athena Design 17 St. Mary's Court
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: dflora!peter@wpa.com (Peter D. Wilson) Subject: NeXT Distributed Objects vis-a-vis Others Message-ID: <1993Apr12.170651.482@wpa.com!dflora> Sender: peter@wpa.com!dflora Organization: Peter Wilson Distribution: na Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 17:06:51 GMT This is a re-post. I'm not sure where the last one went. Have any object request brokers, ORB's, been constructed which allow services provided by NeXT-Distributed-Objects to be accessed outside the NeXT community ? What is the current state of distributed object technology elsewhere ? Thanks -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- peter d. wilson dflora!peter@wpa.com (NeXT prefered) wilsonp@mobot.org (god no!)
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Look before you leap Date: 12 Apr 1993 21:37:56 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1qcnfk$qn9@hermes.athena.com> Andrew, I have been in the computer industry for 17 years. I am the president of Athena Design, Inc. the maker of Mesa, a spreadsheet for NeXTSTEP. I have read your editorial about NeXTSTEP in the May 1993 issue of Unix Review. I am very disappointed. I'd like to strongly disagree with your statement regarding shipping applications for NeXTSTEP. There are a number of extremely powerful shrink-wrap applications shipping for NeXTSTEP. While there is very little software to run on the Sun, there are more shrink-wrap apps for NeXTSTEP per NeXT machine than any other machine I can name. The apps are among the highest quality on any platform. Take a look at PasteUp from RightBrain. It's the best of Quark with the easy of use of PageMaker all with a cool set of fine typographical controls thrown in. This product was developed in record time by three or four people including Glenn Reid, a PostScript wizard. Ever used Concurrence. It puts Persuasion and PowerPoint to shame and it was developed in under three man-years (try calling Microsoft and ask the time it took to develop PowerPoint.) How about DataPhile from Stone Design. It's the coolest flat file database I've ever seen. Lotus developed and proved Improv on NeXTSTEP. Then they did a port to Windows. Talk to people on the Improv development team and ask them if they could have done the first pass on anything but NeXTSTEP. What about WordPerfect. The team that did WP on NeXTSTEP estimated 6 months for the port (from DOS to NeXTSTEP). It took something like a month and they got to play for the rest of the time. Have you ever used Mesa? Not only is it significantly faster than Lotus 1-2-3 (Mesa on a NeXTstation Turbo versus Lotus 1-2-3 on a Sparc 2), but it ranked as having a better user interface than Microsoft Excel running under Windows. Mesa comes with a complete object library so that custom applications can easily link right into the spreadsheet, exchange data, draw graphs, do database queries, etc. Mesa took 16 man-months to develop under NeXTSTEP. I know! I'm the man and they were my months. NeXTSTEP does have a number of really great apps. Care to point out one or two best of breed apps on a Sun or SGI? How can one, two, or three guys develop apps that blow away the current state of the art on other platforms? The answer is quite simple: having the best tool. NeXTSTEP provides an object-oriented application development layer and Display PostScript. This application layer allows developers to write significantly more reliable code in a shorter period of time than with any other currently available programming technology. I've programmed everything from 8051 micro-controllers to Apple ]['s to Macs to VAX's to IBM mainframes. Nothing is easier of faster to develop on than a NeXTSTEP machine. As a demonstration that this is wrong, you claim that the NeXTSTEP port is behind schedule. NeXTSTEP offers an object-oriented application development layer on top of a BSD 4.3 compatible layer which sits on top of Mach (which was the OS that Microsoft used to do NT demos.) OOP is not going to help in writing a device driver the same way it will when writing a user interface intense application. The application kit layer of NeXTSTEP ported in a few weeks to the Intel machine. NeXT is simply writing many drivers to support the wide variety of devices that one can connect to a PC. Sun avoided this with Solaris by buying Interactive (why write the drivers when you can buy them.) The application level of NeXTSTEP/Intel is more solid than NeXTSTEP 3.0 running on NeXT hardware (which is about 50 times more robust than System 7 or Windows 3.1, and I'm not kidding about this). I would rather stick pins in my hands and pour Tabasco on them then write device drivers. Given the strides that NeXT has made with their device drivers over the last few months, I believe they will ship a very stable product at the NeXTWORLD Expo in two months. How about installed base? We have a very good sense of how the installed base for NeXTSTEP is growing. As the platform's premier spreadsheet, we have a lot of advance contact with NeXTSTEP customers. I have little doubt that the installed base of NeXTSTEP users will double in the next two months. I believe that this is about the same speed that Sun's installed base is growing (i.e., about 50,000 users per two to three months.) Finally, have you done any development work under NT or Taligent? How many apps will be available on these OE's that take advantage of the OE? How stable will the OE's be? Judging by System 7, I wouldn't trust an operating system written by Apple. Judging by the fact that Microsoft takes until version 3 to get anything right, I wouldn't trust NT. Maybe in three or four years, either of these OE's might be competition for where NeXTSTEP is today. I'm not holding my breath. About two months before the Macintosh was introduced, I read these stories about how Apple would go out of business in a few short months unless they introduce a PC compatible. How much of the computer market does Apple own? Keep a few things in mind: Steve Jobs has a clearer vision of where computing needs to be than anyone else on earth; many large companies and government organizations have won very big with NeXTSTEP and custom app development; the best new applications are showing up on NeXTSTEP; and now you can put it on just about any PC. Just as Macintosh defined a standard because it was better than anything else before or (until NeXTSTEP) since for people who want to make things look right, NeXTSTEP defines a standard for the development of new computing tools. NeXTSTEP's compelling application is Interface Builder and it's coming to a corner computer store near you in two months. If you have any more questions, please e-mail (dpp@athena.com) or call me 617.734.6372. Sincerely, David Pollak, Esq. President, Athena Design
From: next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 2.89MB floppies and NS/i Message-ID: <9qZu2B1w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 93 16:21:55 CDT References: <1993Apr12.154222.182924@zeus.calpoly.edu> Organization: TCS Consulting Services mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes: > > > Will NeXTSTEP/intel support (either right away, or in the announced > > > future) 2.88MB diskette drives available for PCs. I have seen some at > > > around 300$ for drive+controller, so I am wondering if that would be a > > > good idea for a future NeXTSTEP PC. > > > > Not right away. > > Does a 2.88 take a special controller? I've seen the drive mechanisms for > <$100. Yes, the 2.88 takes a special controller with an on board bios that is able to work with those drives, since most on board computer bios don't have support for these 2.88 meg drives. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS: NeXTSTEP-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr12.212636.6294@pyrian.com> Sender: ian@pyrian.com Organization: PYRIAN Software Group References: <C56K63.AuL@dove.nist.gov> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 21:26:36 GMT Coming from a PC / MAC background, YES ...>Piracy is a serious crime; plain and simple it's stealing. BUT YES >"...piracy is the norm." on PC's and MACs anyway. Unix people were wiser and gave away their SW or used GNU licenses. I don't know of many NeXT pirate boards, but I know of tons of PC and MAC boards and I do visit them just to protect my work. (wait until NS/FIP ships and I know there will be at least 25 boards in the first two or three months.) If you are not willing to see that these things are happening then you really do stand to lose money. The PC/Intel group are much more used to "sharing" software. With the expected price of NS/FIP I think, as a developer, you need to be aware that most PC people have little hesiation to copy things, so I try to make my SW an atrractive price with simply restrictions like one copy per individual purchaser etc, but feel it is important to allow them to transfer it when they don't use it anymore. > Wow, you make it sound like they really don't have a right to make a > buck on hard work, and that piracy is the norm. (You can sell your used car when you don't use it anymore, and the people that built it worked hard on it!) I'm all for making money or I wouldn't have the pleasure of owning a NeXT and PC running NS/FIP. > Don't get me wrong - I hate copy protection, but with your attitude I can see > why it's necessary. I used to work for an audit company and I have seen a lot of misuse of SW. I could name hundreds of BIG $20 billion plus companies right now that are sharing 5 copies of a Word Processor with 25 employees. It is not right and I agree (I lose money too.) but it IS happening and my feeling is if someone does not like or use a product anymore, that it should be transferable and that tight restrictions only add to the number of illegal copies. In article <C56K63.AuL@dove.nist.gov> eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) writes: > In article <1993Apr8.020020.342@pyrian.com> ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) > writes: > > > These companies should be happy that we what to legally > > transfer ownership instead of passing out lots of copies > > to our friends / associates. > > Now this is a just a tad ridiculous wouldn't you say? > These companies should be _happy_ that we aren't breaking the law? > Wow, you make it sound like they really don't have a right to make a > buck on hard work, and that piracy is the norm. > > Piracy is a serious crime; plain and simple it's stealing. Since many of the > folks who read and post here are developers I'd guess they know first hand how > much it hurts software development. > > Don't get me wrong - I hate copy protection, but with your attitude I can see > why it's necessary. > > If a transferable license is so damn important then don't buy a > non-transferable license. It's really that simple. > > -- > Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* > Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu > National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov > (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) > My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, > the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST. -- Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 Pyrian Software Group | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com NeXTSTEP Consulting | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy(long winded) Message-ID: <1993Apr12.215253.6372@pyrian.com> Sender: ian@pyrian.com Organization: PYRIAN Software Group References: <1q246n$ran@hermes.athena.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 21:52:53 GMT I have always liked to openness of NeXT Software Developers. Free demos on the net etc. I was blowing off a little steam at IP because with a product like theirs a 14 day or 30 day or even a 90 day return policy is hard to work with. When you are developing large database products, it is hard to find what is or is not going to work until close to the end. Usually it is after the return policy (which is okay with me), but then when I decide it is not going to do what it was promised it would do and they will not allow you to return it and I am not allowed to sell it to someone how could use it and I am literally stuck with a product I can't use and I get upset. If you bought a California ship (yacht) for 5 million dollars with a 14 day return policy to live on and after four months of living on it decided you couldn't stand it and wanted to sell it and California ship co. told you you couldn't get rid of it wouldn't you be mad, so now I'm stuck with a $5 million ship I don't want, won't use and is taking up a lot of space (by the way the IP box is not quite as big as the ship). My point originally was supposed to be if a person purchases a product and does not like it, he or she should be able to sell it to someone that could use it. I feel these no transfer restrictions add to a customers frustrations, possibly add to the illegal copy problem and result in wasted time. I would have perfered that Tracy or whoever is in charge of Mesa, was adding to Mesa instead of having to defend his position. The only reason he has to defend his position is because of the tight restrictions he has applied to his product. I support your right to add these restrictions but hope you would reconsider then for future products. The individual who felt that the people at Mesa treated him unfairly may have changed the mind of someone that was going to buy Mesa. I remember someone says that the makers of Mesa do not provide tech support for EDU copies. That is fine, but why not allow the purchaser to transfer the ownership? Your not providing additional support! Let the guy transfer it to someone else. Make the new owner pay a $25 or whatever transfer fee. That way both the NEW owner and the original owner will have POSITIVE attitudes toward Mesa and that ALMOST ALWAYS helps in a selling market. In article <1q246n$ran@hermes.athena.com> tracy@artemis (Tracy Kugelman) writes: > Ian: > > Just to let you know. Mesa is available on archives around this country > and in Europe. We have made this demo version with the ability to do > everything that Mesa can accept that the spreadsheet size is limited to 32 > X 32 cells. This includes features like "SAVE". In addition, Mesa > software disks are freely distributable. If you share the disks with > someone they will get a spreadsheet that runs just like the demo version > available on the net. What is not transferrable are the license and > enabling code of an educational license. > > This license is available to all educational users at an 80% discount. We > have a special offer for colleges and universities available until April > 15th that over 100 colleges and universities have taken advantage of. We > are giving free 25 user copies of Mesa to universities with student labs. > We have tried to be sensitive to all of our users and remember when we > were back in school and had no money. That's why we make it available to > student for 80% off the retail price. If the ability to transfer a > license legally is that important they can buy a commercial version of > Mesa and pay retail. This version is transferrable. > > We have also put CultureShock into the public domain. This game was > written by David Pollak and is now available in NS and NS FIP versions on > some archives. This product is now free. > > I hope that you understand that we are trying to develop quality software > at a reasonable price that allows us to stay in business to keep producing > quality software at a reasonable price and so on. > > Mesa is returnable within 30 days. > > What more can we do? > > > > In article <1993Apr8.020020.342@pyrian.com> ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. > Stewart) writes: > > There seems to be this same mentality in the NeXT arena. > > IP Design will not allow you to transfer your license > > and gets very verbal when the subject comes up. > > These companies should be happy that we what to legally > > transfer ownership instead of passing out lots of copies > > to our friends / associates. I am very careful now before I > > purchase ANYTHING for the NeXT. > > > > I allow people to transfer ownership of products I sell, but > > charge a small fee for doing so. So far no one has minded. > > > > > > > -- > > Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 > > Pyrian Software Group | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com > > NeXTSTEP Programming Novice..but lovin it | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK? > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Tracy Kugelman, Director tel. 1.617.734.MESA (6372) > Sales and Marketing fax 1.617.734.1130 > > Athena Design > 17 St. Mary's Court -- Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 Pyrian Software Group | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com NeXTSTEP Consulting | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK?
From: bohlkejh@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Jon H. Bohlke II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ImageWriter II and my NSC Date: 12 Apr 1993 22:50:06 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1qcrmuINN4io@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Hi, I know that this has been talked about before, but is it possible to connect a ImageWriter II to a NeXTStation and have it work for line printer stuff. I have an Apple cable, should I use a straight serial cable instead? I looked for any info on this in the FAQ and could find nothing. Jon
From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: * Stone Art '93 - Call for Submissions * Keywords: Stone Design, EXPO Message-ID: <1993Apr12.205033.510@stone.com> Date: 12 Apr 93 20:50:33 GMT Article-I.D.: stone.1993Apr12.205033.510 Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp ********************* TIME'S A'WASTIN' !!! ********************** (speaking of wasting, I tried to post the 32 bit version of Carla's Stone Art Logo, but it bounced - I'll stick it on ftp.cs.unm.edu) StoneArt '93, Stone Design's art and database design contest, is well under way. We'd love to see more submissions, so what are you waiting for? First Place is a free round trip ticket to San Francisco for NeXTWORLD Expo! Send it -- your best creation from CREATE, your otherworldliest 3D world from 3D REALITY, your best-designed database from DATAPHILE -- and we'll send you to Expo this May. And who _couldn't_ use a free ride to San Francisco? You still have time, but NOT MUCH. Get those submissions in the mail before April 25 so we have plenty of time to absorb the outrageous extent of your talent. Really. **************HERE'S THE FINE PRINT************************* Users interested in submitting work to StoneArt '93 should send it to info@stone.com: * for Create submissions, the original .create file * for 3DReality, the original .3DReality file AND a single rendered image (.tiff only, please) * for DataPhile, a data-less .dp file (clone/template) including View Browser notes per view. Submitted .create, .3DReality and image files become the property of Stone Design. Should a database template win the contest, Stone reserves the right to distribute the template with DataPhile; in the case of non-winning but exceptional database designs, Stone will create screenshots for booth-display purposes and will not own the work. ********WHILE YOU'RE AT EXPO, DON'T BE A STRANGER*********** Users and developers who would like to participate in product demonstrations during the Expo should write to info@stone.com and note the times during which they will be available for booth appearances; developers should also describe, and if possible send, the software they would like to demonstrate. Users who do not have access to electronic mail should contact Stone Design by regular mail. -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: ed@talus.com Subject: PasteUp bugs Message-ID: <1993Apr12.211309.4023@talus.com> Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 21:13:09 GMT Hi guys, here is a message from my boss : > Hi, > > Can you post to the net and see if anyone else that's using PasteUP is have these same problems and what they are doing for workarounds? We love to get some other publishers using NeXT to communicate with. > > Steve > We'd love to know about the PasteUp users out there ! Do you use it regularly ? Did you encounter problems ? We do have a lot of problems with both Color Separation and text manipulation. Did you find any interesting workarounds ? We'd like to keep the discussion running on PasteUp... Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" · Talus Corporation We are so very far from home. All of us.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: craigh@domino.sps.mot.com (Craig Hansen) Subject: Conextions 3270Vision Message-ID: <1993Apr12.232808.4841@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Keywords: 3270 Sender: usenet@newsgate.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:28:08 GMT Does anyone know of an alternative to Conextions 3270Vision for NeXT systems? We already have tn3270 with the NeXT. I have some users that would like an alternative solution for 3270 connection to IBM mainframe hosts with the GUI. -- Craig O. Hansen Phone: (602) 897-5394 FAX: (602) 897-3822 email: craigh@domino.sps.mot.com
From: jeffreym@doppio.berkeley.edu (Jeffrey McCullough) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Black boxes for sale Date: 13 Apr 1993 00:46:48 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1qd2ho$4u6@agate.berkeley.edu> Here at UC Berkeley, our campus reseller still has some turbo slabs for sale. If you or anyone you know is interested, please send me email for a complete list. Jeffrey McCullough jeffreym@doppio.berkeley.edu Information Systems and Technology UC Berkeley
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr13.014109.21427@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 13 Apr 93 01:41:09 GMT References: <1993Apr12.175744.22981@socrates.umd.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. Charles Fletcher (fletcher@socrates.umd.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Apr10.203257.4162@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: : I disagree--one of the best demo I have seen on a NeXT was : the quick FtoC (degree) converter. It shows off IB well and : you do the following: Start with Text Field to input the : temperture value. Build the rest of the interface and write : the two lines of code needed (being sure to message the Text : Field with id sender, eg, [sender floatValue]) and compile the : app and run it. Now go back into IB and replace the Text Field : with a Slider. DO NOT RECOMPILE! Just save and run. The slider : replaces the id sender at run time. This is what dynamic binding : and NeXT are all about. If you're going to compile code, then this is good. But if you just want to do an IB only demo, then I'd still go with the sound app. It's a lot more impressive to throw there buttons on a window with a soundview, wire them up, and record the unwitting audience member's voice with a graphical display--with no code-- than making a button that goes bonk or a slider that changes a floatValue in a textfield. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
From: greimann@pecan.cns.udel.edu (J. Brandon Greimann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Request: Looking for best X11R5 for NeXTStation Color Date: 13 Apr 1993 04:11:41 GMT Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qdehv$7ae@nigel.ee.udel.edu> Hello, I'm looking for a good version of X11R5 for a NeXTStation Color (non-turbo)...It must be one of the free versions.... Also, I'd like to know what site to get it from and any other useful/necessary info needed to get it up and running. Any help would be greatly appreciated... Thanks, Brandon
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: dse@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (donald.s.eaves) Subject: Re: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:38:02 GMT Message-ID: <1993Apr13.023802.24187@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> References: <1993Apr7.201624.15577@wam.umd.edu> <1993Apr12.174436.678@sq.sq.com> In article <1993Apr12.174436.678@sq.sq.com> ian@sq.sq.com (Ian Darwin) writes: >As Sun has learned to their considerable cost with OPEN LOOK, it really >doesn't matter if a user interface is "aesthetic", or better. What >matters in any marketing free-for-all is numbers, and the numbers point >to Motif (ugly as it is, ugly as it is, ugly as it is), not to >NeXtStEp. Yes, it's better. Yes, it's better. Yes, it's better. So was >OPEN LOOK. So on a different front was NeWS. They both lost, and so I >predict will NeXTsTEp. > The selection of OPEN LOOK was part of a strategic business arrangement between AT&T and Sun. At the time AT&T had a 20% share in Sun, and AT&T created OPEN LOOK, hence its selection. This arrangement opened the tremendous market of AT&T to Sun, which drove Suns success. I work on a Sun running OPEN LOOK every day. The system does not even have a shared pasteboard, hence one can not cut and paste between apps; its clumsy, color maps frequently get messed up, and it is far worse than the Windows, Mac and NEXTSTEP GUIs. What is the point. Its clearly strategic business arrangements (which lead to the numbers) that make for success. It was Microsoft's arrangements with IBM that made it successful. And what about Apple computer. Sculley didn't change the product, and certainly, comming from Pepsi Cola (a powerful conglomerate) he didn't know much about computers.. However, he was well connected, and had the ability to open up markets. Jobs is a visionary, again he is years ahead of the industry, but he clearly does not have the connections. Hence, the market is closed. This is not an uncommon phenomenona. Mozart, now recognized as one of the greatest musicians that ever lived, was hardly recongnized during his adult life. He was such a genious, he regularly embarrassed other king's musicians. Critics of the times called him arrogant, and considered his music boring and uninspired. He died a pauper. Tucker is another example. Don
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 21:30:18 GMT Message-ID: <1993Apr12.213018.28029@cyantic.com> References: <1993Apr3.170240.9040@qb.rhein-main.de> <1993Apr7.201750.27221@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <1qbuj6INN83v@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> In article <1qbuj6INN83v@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> bostrov@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Vareck Bostrom) writes: >In article <1993Apr7.201750.27221@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: >>In article <1993Apr3.170240.9040@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: >>>In article <1pghu8INNl6c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> >>>bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes: >>>[...] > >Machine CPU Spec92Int Spec92FP >Intel 486/50 486DX50 30.1 14.0 >Intel 486/66 486DX266 32.4 16.1 >Intel P5/66 Pentium-66 64.5 56.9 >DEC 3k 400 AXP ? Alpha-133MHz 65.3 112.2 >DEC 3k 500 AXP Alpha - ???MHz 74.3 126.0 >HP 9k/705 parisc 33 mhz 22.7 39.3 >HP 9k/710 parisc 50 mhz 32.7 56.4 >HP 9k/730 parisc 66 mhz 52.0 86.7 >HP 9k/735 parisc 99 mhz 80.0 150.6 >Sun Sparc IPC 25 mhz sparc 13.8 11.1 >Sun Sparc LX 40 mhz microsparc 26.4 21.0 >Sun Sparc 10/20 33 mhz supersparc 39.8 46.6 >Sun Sparc 10/30 36 mhz supersparc 44.2 52.9 >Sun Sparc 10/41 40 mhz supersparc 52.6 64.7 >Sun Sparc 10/52 2 45 mhz supersparcs 58.1 (each) 71.4 (each) > I believe we will see 50 mhz SuperSPARC shortly. That should boost the benchmarks a little. So when will we see NS on these boxes? >My results for the AXP machines may be for 100 and 133 MHz Alphas, I don't >know. > >If you are looking for FP, like I am, I think that an HP 9000/7xx is >probably the best way to go for the money. What about IBM? Isn't their floating point pretty good? As far as HP and DEC go, how much farther can they juice that silicon without blasting quarks and electrons all over the place. What's the long term outlook on these chips that have gone for quick performance hits? -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What a BUG!!! Message-ID: <1183@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 13 Apr 93 08:04:24 GMT References: <C5B92p.8o4@molly.uucp> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com (null pointer) writes [Actually, his name appears to be Jim Vlcek, but his posting software didn't supply a "From:" field; some code must have returned a NULL pointer somewhere. Luckily, NewsGrazer didn't crash when I clicked the Followup button :-) ] > In article <1178@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) > writes: > > > ... some NeXT system call that returns some information about the > > currently chosen printer happens to return NULL if there has never been > > a printer chosen. Almost every user (and beta tester) has at some point > > chosen a printer, but brand new computers and their users sometimes have > > not. The app crashed unmercifully until they had chosen a printer. A > > bug, to be sure, but one that we had not anticipated, since the NULL > pointer > > was being returned by system code. > > Did the documentation for the system call specify that a NULL would be > returned in the event that no printer had been chosen? In fact, returning a > NULL in such a case sounds like exactly the thing that the system call should > do when no printer has been chosen. And if the call is documented to return > a NULL under some conditions, there's no excuse for failing to check for that > eventuality (no matter how rare). > > Jim Vlcek > vlcek@epimbe.com You're kidding, right? I didn't even remember what the system call was, but I decided to go dig through the source (to the Font Installer, for those keeping track) to defend myself! Here was the documentation, in all its full-fledged glory, copied directly from Digital Librarian (it's a method of the PrintInfo class): printerName - (const char *)printerName Returns the name of the printer on which we will print. Just that. "Returns the name of the printer on which we will print." As with many, many, many of the methods in the NeXT documentation, their one-line descriptions border on the obvious. The only thing that even tells you that it's a string is the "(const char *)" declaration above. The code worked great, as I said, until we ran into somebody who had never chosen a printer ever before. It returned a null pointer, and we crashed. Here is the code today, copied directly from the source to the Font Installer: - appDidInit : sender; { if ( [[NXApp printInfo] printerName] ) { [passwordPrinter setStringValue: [[NXApp printInfo] printerName] ]; } else { [passwordPrinter setStringValue: "No Printer Chosen" ]; } askPrinter = TRUE; } // appDidInit (and please don't lecture me about string tables; it was a long time ago). I rest my case. THe documentation never implied that it would return a NULL every once in a while. And even if it did, you'd think that the "setStringValue:" method of a TextField would be somewhat more robust than that, since it's a relatively high-level interface to a widely used object. Anyway, my original point was just to be careful, and that still stands :-) -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: IBM (not Cyrix) 486SLC & Nextstep 486 Message-ID: <1993Apr12.153609.5622@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1qavstINNajr@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 15:36:09 GMT In article <1qavstINNajr@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> romero-carnot@yale.edu (Carnot A. Romero) writes: > Is IBM's 486SLC close enough to a real Intel chip to satisfy > NeXT? Yes, it is. But that doesn't guarantee that a particular computer which uses that chip will run NS/i. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: 2.89MB floppies and NS/i Message-ID: <1993Apr12.183246.6719@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr12.154222.182924@zeus.calpoly.edu> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 18:32:46 GMT In article <1993Apr12.154222.182924@zeus.calpoly.edu> writes: > In article <1993Apr9.015230.6189@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M > Carling) writes: > > In article <1993Apr8.022440.5017@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org > > (Nicolas Dore) writes: > > > Hi > > > > > > Will NeXTSTEP/intel support (either right away, or in the announced > > > future) 2.88MB diskette drives available for PCs. I have seen some at > > > around 300$ for drive+controller, so I am wondering if that would be a > > > good idea for a future NeXTSTEP PC. > > > > Not right away. > > Does a 2.88 take a special controller? You need a controller (available) and a driver (not available). M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: IBM (not Cyrix) 486SLC & Nextstep 486 Message-ID: <1993Apr13.121312.1031@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1qavstINNajr@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> <1993Apr12.153609.5622@bluerose.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 12:13:12 GMT In article <1993Apr12.153609.5622@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >In article <1qavstINNajr@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> romero-carnot@yale.edu >(Carnot A. Romero) writes: >> Is IBM's 486SLC close enough to a real Intel chip to satisfy >> NeXT? > >Yes, it is. But that doesn't guarantee that a particular computer which >uses that chip will run NS/i. I'm pretty sure that the 486SLC is not an "approved" processor. It may work but I doubt that NeXT is going to qualify it by the may release. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Error in console.log - Time warp Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 13:13:51 GMT Message-ID: <1993Apr13.131351.29579@cyantic.com> On April 1, 1993 I changed the date of my NTC to March 1 in order to install NXFax 1.03 which was shipped with a time bomb demo activated. Since then, I have been getting this message on the console: Apr 2 09:00:11 Workspace[525]: *** Time warp observed (734706011,743729) - (731008890,841757) It looks like there is some conflict with the clocks (hardware vs system)? The first long number looks like the second counter. I don't remember whether I have rebooted or not since I changed the clock in Preferences. The message is being written to the console log at least 75 times per minute. What's up? -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: X windows on the NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Apr8.211207.26696@oracle.us.oracle.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 21:12:07 GMT at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Hello, I'm wondering if it is possible to run X windows programs on a remote host and have the output appear on the NeXT? I don't need an X windows manager like mwm or motig or anything more complicated than being able to use the NeXT as an X display. Is this possible? ebosco@us.oracle.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: speters@oracle.com (Stephen Peters) Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr9.003903.8623@oracle.us.oracle.com> Keywords: Spreadsheets Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corp References: <1993Apr7.125251.16127@mic.ucla.edu> <1993Apr8.145742.3780@mic.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 00:39:03 GMT at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. In article <1993Apr8.145742.3780@mic.ucla.edu>, iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > > None of my other educational licenses were non-transferable to other > educational users. I did not realize Mesa's special case when I signed > (in fact, I would have unknowingly agreed to slavery; I am perhaps a > bit too naive in assuming certain features to be common.) Did you read > all your software licenses? Well, I know that when I bought edu-discount software for my battered old PC, it was *always*, without fail, non-transferable. I was surprised when I read your note that this was not the case. Any notes from the NeXT field? Who has non-transferable licenses? Who doesn't? Stephen Peters Oracle Corp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mtoomey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (MARK EDWARD TOOMEY) Subject: Re: 2.89MB floppies and NS/i Message-ID: <mtoomey.115.734714599@hestia.fcs.uga.edu> Sender: usenet@athena.cs.uga.edu Organization: College of Family & Consumer Sciences, UGA References: <1993Apr9.015230.6189@bluerose.com> <1993Apr12.154222.182924@zeus.calpoly.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 15:23:19 GMT >> In article <1993Apr8.022440.5017@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org >> (Nicolas Dore) writes: >> > Hi >> > >> > Will NeXTSTEP/intel support (either right away, or in the announced >> > future) 2.88MB diskette drives available for PCs. I have seen some at >> > around 300$ for drive+controller, so I am wondering if that would be a >> > good idea for a future NeXTSTEP PC. We recently saw a demo of NeXtStep 486 (beta 3.1) on an Epson 486 Progression w/Wingine graphics & the system engineer told me the drive would recognize NeXt disks, Mac, PC & OS/2. He didn't mention 2.88MB however.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kluge daniel) Subject: Re: Problems with modem Message-ID: <1993Apr13.155910.13146@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <1puoqb$5t1@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 15:59:10 GMT dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) writes: : I am having trouble setting up my modem with my NeXT. I made an entry in : the remote file. When I dial up the modem on the other end answers : but tip never comes back with a connect, instead it types out RING : and hangs up the connection... : : : Any suggestions?? Yup, tip relies on a "1" in the case of a connectin, this is the Original answer code (in those days where there was no MNP, V.42, V.Fast...) so my Modem is sending 17 (connect 38400), which I receive on the screen as: connectd <beep>7 So if tip says "Ring", it recieves some code similar to ring (numer. equivalent is 2 if I'm right), so U have to choices: a) Configure your Modem not to send any additional Statuscodes bye default (ATw0 or something like that) b) Use some other terminal-prg (that is what it do by now) like tip3 or kermit. : e-mail: dbora@ils.nwu.edu | is somehow ennobled and none dare : work: (708) 467-1972 | criticize it... -/usr/bin/fortune : --------Be excellent to each other-------- DUDE !! - daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
From: bostrov@pong.CS.ORST.EDU (Vareck Bostrom) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1qepm7INNsji@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 13 Apr 93 16:27:51 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1qepm7INNsji References: <1993Apr7.201750.27221@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <1qbuj6INN83v@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> <1993Apr12.213018.28029@cyantic.com> Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University >> >>Machine CPU Spec92Int Spec92FP >>Intel 486/50 486DX50 30.1 14.0 >>Intel 486/66 486DX266 32.4 16.1 >>Intel P5/66 Pentium-66 64.5 56.9 [lines deleted in the interest of space] > >I believe we will see 50 mhz SuperSPARC shortly. That should boost the >benchmarks a little. So when will we see NS on these boxes? > >What about IBM? Isn't their floating point pretty good? > Here are the results for IBMs I have (I know they are the "POWER" cpu's, from 20 to 40 MHZ (i think) but I dont know which CPU goes to which machine): Machine Spec92Int Spec92FP IBM RS6k 320H 21.5 45.3 IBM RS6k 340 27.9 58.7 IBM RS6k 350 40.5 74.2 IBM RS6k 355 40.5 81.6 IBM RS6k 365 48.4 97.0 IBM RS6k 375 59.8 118.2 Indigo R4000 58.3 60.5 >As far as HP and DEC go, how much farther can they juice that silicon >without blasting quarks and electrons all over the place. What's the long >term outlook on these chips that have gone for quick performance hits? Well, I don't know if Alpha will be around ten years from now, but remember that they managed to get 150 MHz out of it (200 maybe ?) and I rememberr when people told me 110 MHz was as fast as you could go. HP got 99 MHz, imagine a 200 MHz hppa machine - multiply it out (i know, i know, I'm just estimateing) and you get a 160.0 spec92int, 301.2 spec92fp machine. I'll bet we see a machine like that within a few years. Strangely, I don't have SPEC results for a Nextstation turbo or nonturbo, anyone want to send them to me? I'd guess a NSTC is somewhere between a Sparc 2 and an IPC, in other words about 15 specint and 16 specfp or so. Personally, aside from when I'm running renderman or rayshade (espically rayshade) I think the NSTC is pretty quick, or at least it seems pretty quick. I've seen Nextstep running on a 486/66 and thought it was faster than a turbo color in some things, slower in others (but it got 60k dhrys !!).. if forced to choose which machine to use, NSTC or 486/66 running NS/FIP I would probably choose a NSTC. Pentium/66 machines, judging by the SpecRate, should be about twice as fast as the 486/66 machines - a noticable difference. What I would really like to see is more FP performance in NextStep machines, the Spec92fp of 56.9 for pentium is about the same specfp as the HP9k/710, one of HP's low-end snakes. When I finally get a Nextstep Pentium box, I suspect my feeling will be: "Well, it _seems_ fast, but for bit rayshade jobs I still have to upload the .ray file to school, render it on the snakes, and download the image" I suppose a 100 MHz Pentium would be ok, what, about 97.72 spec92int and about 86.21 spec92fp, not all that bad - as fast in FP as an IBM RS6000 365. The question is, how long until we see a 100 MHz pentium? If it is two years, then HP will probably be pushing 150 MHz or more in the parisc machines, if they havent had a major redesign and produced a cpu twice as fast as the current parisc. I wouldn't put it past HP - they do this sort of thing. I think NextStep/For PARISC Products would be a good step for Next to take. Intel is not the king of the universe as far as CPU's go. The move to intel was a good one for Next. A pentium/66-based Nextstep is going to be about as fast as a middle-range supersparc based machine - but I still wish they had gone Intel, PARISC, and sparc at the same time. Oh well, back to rayshade. - Vareck bostrov@research.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yann@dagobah.fdn.org (Yann Lechelle) Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr13.090824.450@dagobah.fdn.org> Sender: yann@dagobah.fdn.org Organization: Individual References: <1993Apr12.015516.8667@cs.yale.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 09:08:24 GMT In article <1993Apr12.015516.8667@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > In article <66311@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: > > Does the 2.1 Guided Tour app still work on 3.0 systems? I thought that was > an awesome demo of the machine's capabilities, and I've been puzzled > why there weren't more apps like it. Guided Tour was surely a GREAT demo ! The lady's voice was nice, well paced, not annoying... and it allowed you to take a break while the people you were doing the demo to were watching it !!! Unfortunately, it will not launch under NS3.0. I tried it from scratch though... without any GuidedTour account (whatever the name...). Maybe if you create the proper account by hand, the rest will run... But there might be other problems later on: Guided Tour used the normal 2.0 browser default layout and positioning. I'm not sure that the default 3.0 layout is the same. In addition to that, Guided Tour demo implies the presence of Writenow, which is not necessarily there or allowed (!). The ShowAndTell.app still works though: with it, (almost) anyone can reprogram a journaling application such as Guided Tour, provided that they have access to well working vocal cords ! Altough Guided Tour could be good as a demo, I would rather think of it as a starting tutorial... it doesn't do anything fancy that will astonish someone who has already seen a computer with a decent interface (i.e. the other computers have decent interfaces... just decent I say, no more !) My favorite demo does the following: IN THE BACKGROUND: - some compressed CD-quality stereo music amplified by a stero (you choose the music, anything soft and calm will do it, or else) - your modem doing some UUCP or faxing business ! IN THE BACKGROUND: - molecules rotating with Molecule.app AND Chess.app playing against himself AND you writing to someone using Mail.app, sometimes inducing a system BEEP to show the real-time sound mixing... OR - Movie.app (available in archives) showing two home-made movies at 25 frames/sec in 400x300 pixels... (in case the guy you're showing the NeXT to is a Macintosh user who has been amazed by QuickTime !). BUT MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST 16MB OF RAM TO DEMO ALL OF THIS, otherwise be ready to demo awesome Unix swapping !!! Yann -- / ================================================= \ \ Yann Lechelle (Paris, FRANCE) / / yann@dagobah.fdn.org Email/NeXTmail \ \ "grep me no patterns and I'll tell you no lines." /
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: Re: Mesa --- WARNING: Not a good buy Message-ID: <1993Apr13.125410.8426@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. References: <1pvm77$kbf@hermes.athena.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 12:54:10 GMT In article <1pvm77$kbf@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: [ Dave Pollack's statement and Ivo Welch's post Deleted] I think Dave has pretty much summed things up here. -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail]
From: COSC18QM@jetson.uh.edu (93S06842) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: JANA Publishing's Address Date: 13 Apr 1993 17:37:11 GMT Organization: University of Houston, Houston, Texas. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qeto7$khe@menudo.uh.edu> Could someone mail me the net address of Jana Publishing? I seem to have lost it. Also, has anyone actually received their latest CD (The one they posted the listing for a couple of weeks ago)? I have yet to receive anything. Thanks for your help Tom Tschetter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr13.161756.1515@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass References: <1993Apr10.111037.895@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 16:17:56 GMT How about using Interface Builder with DBKit. Have a database created before the demo, then during the demo use IB to connect to the database. Now thats only useful if you are showing it off for development purposes. -- Robert John Andersen (919) 460-3285 (v,w) andersen@reality.glv.com - NeXT mail! "The only limit to impossibility is imagination or lack thereof. Nothing is impossible given knowledge and time. Impossibility is a relative term." - "Impossibilities? Impossible!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <66311@mimsy.umd.edu> <1993Apr12.015516.8667@cs.yale.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 14:51:33 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Apr13.145133.10504@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Apr12.015516.8667@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <66311@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: > >Does the 2.1 Guided Tour app still work on 3.0 systems? I thought that was >an awesome demo of the machine's capabilities, and I've been puzzled >why there weren't more apps like it. NeXT seem to keep pretty quiet about NXJournaler for some reason. Dave Griffiths
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Windows NT slips again, and again, and again.... Date: 13 Apr 1993 19:57:50 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qf5vuINN8ap@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Extract from Unigram.X April 12-16 #431 For your enjoyment: DESKTOP NT "AT $180" NEEDS 16Mb, SHIPS NOW PROMISED BY AUGUST Although Bill Gates has apparently firmed up prices for Microsoft Corp's Windows NT operating system, they still aren't finalised, according to the company. The first ship date has moved off into the future again, and "no later than" August 1 is the new target. Ac- cording to Gates, in comments reported in PC Week, large corporate customers looking to upgrade from Windows 3 to NT will be eble to do so for less than $100 per desktop - the upgrade price for Win- dows users will be $300, which translates to $180 "on the street" and less than "$lOO per system" after deep volume discounts, Gates told a meeting of the Corporate Association of Microcomputer Pro- fessionals in Chicago. OS/2 users will be offered "extremely low prices." NT's suggested retail price for new - desktop - users will be $500. More bad news is that memory requiremeats are continuing to soar - Gates last week recommended that NT users install l6MB on their desktop machines, even though the documentation may specify 12Mb - and no more than about 10% of 80486 machines have 16Mb. Servers could require more than 16Mb, he added. Ini- tial NT buyers will need to have specific applications in mind for it - "If you don't know why you want NT, you probably don't want NT," he said. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP's looking more and more attractive. What else can Mr. Gates say to run NT into the ground? Projection: NT will never ship. Win32c will take it's place. Eric
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 16:59:55 EDT From: <3179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93103.1659563179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: JANA Publishing's Address Distribution: world References: <1qeto7$khe@menudo.uh.edu> Hi, the address is JANA Publishing 20 Wade Ave, Suite 520 Toronto, Ont M6H 4H3 Canada OR JANA Publishing 150 Dorset St, Suite 287 South Burlington, VT 05407-2010, USA E-Mail : jana@canrem.com Phone NO : 1-800-363-2083 All the CD's have been shiped to a mailing house is US and thay will remail them to subscribers.If you do not get your disk by end of this week or early next week then you should call. Jay
From: ratlifc@ctron.com (Christian A. Ratliff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: FOUND: Approx. Post-NeXTpo Pricing! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 13 Apr 1993 21:15:49 GMT Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <ratlifc-130493170801@134.141.4.94> Jello all, A good friend of mine, a Next Registered Developer [NeRD], spoke with Julie Saffren, the NeXT Manager of Developer Relations, about the post NeXTpo NS/FIP developer pricing. She said that the intro pricing _after_ the conference would be around 500$ for the developer version. If you want to call yourselves, her number is 415-780-3763; I assume that only NeRDs or NeRD-wannabes should call her. good luck, christian -------- Christian Ratliff Cabletron Systems, Inc. ratlifc@ctron.com <NeXTmail Accepted> Rochester, NH 03867 "I'm a NeXTSTEP man; I'm an SGI guy." (603) 337-1209 These are my opinions, not those of my employer, family, or state.
From: ratlifc@ctron.com (Christian A. Ratliff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: FOUND: Approx Post-NeXTpo NS/FIP Pricing! Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 13 Apr 1993 21:20:22 GMT Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <ratlifc-130493171524@134.141.4.94> [If this gets double posted I appologize] Jello all, A good friend of mine, a Next Registered Developer [NeRD], spoke with Julie Saffren, the NeXT Manager of Developer Relations, about the post NeXTpo NS/FIP developer pricing. She said that the intro pricing _after_ the conference would be around 500$ for the developer version. If you want to call yourselves, her number is 415-780-3763; I assume that only NeRDs or NeRD-wannabes should call her. good luck, christian -------- Christian Ratliff Cabletron Systems, Inc. ratlifc@ctron.com <NeXTmail Accepted> Rochester, NH 03867 "I'm a NeXTSTEP man; I'm an SGI guy." (603) 337-1209 These are my opinions, not those of my employer, family, or state.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: .dxf to Postscript or tiff or whatever? Message-ID: <C5Fwn4.CCy@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 20:52:16 GMT Is there a utility that will convert dxf (autocad) files to PS or something more usable? Eric -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Subject: Problems with fonts from sonata Message-ID: <16BAFF3B0.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: University of Missouri Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 22:19:44 GMT Hello, I downloaded the fonts which had been placed in the /pub/next/graphics/fonts directory on sonata.cc.purdue.edu and installed them in ~/Library/Fonts, ran "buildafmdir" and "cachewhatever .". Then, as every great font packrat does, I went into WriteNow to take a look at them. Some of them work fine, so far, but some of them cause my Display PostScript server to die, which logs me out (I know it kills the DPS server because my background is reset to grey). The "killer" fonts I encountered first were from the supposedly error-proofed A* fonts (at least according to the README in .../fonts). Each font directory contains: FontName FontName.afm I killed any other files. Is this my problem? I seem to remember something about the FontName.info files when viewing the Makefile(s). I am running 2.1 on a NeXTStation Color. Thanks. Regards, David K. Drum uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (no NeXTMail please)
From: ratlifc@ctron.com (Christian A. Ratliff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: FOLLOWUP: Post-NeXTpo Pricing... Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 13 Apr 1993 22:42:29 GMT Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <ratlifc-130493183823@134.141.4.94> HOLD ON! I really, _truly_ appologize for posting Julie's number to the net about this issue. I clearly was out of my mind when I did it and claim abject insanity. Please, do not call her. As it was pointed out to me NeXT _will_ make its own announcement at some point. I am clearly a jerk for having done this, and I hope that some day I will be able to make up for it. christian -------- Christian Ratliff Cabletron Systems, Inc. ratlifc@ctron.com <NeXTmail Accepted> Rochester, NH 03867 "I'm a NeXTSTEP man; I'm an SGI guy." (603) 337-1209 These are my opinions, not those of my employer, family, or state.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Subject: Re: Problems with fonts from sonata Message-ID: <16BAF10342.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: University of Missouri Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 23:26:10 GMT Well, I just was able to look at them all using the Preview function of the Font Table in WriteNow - with no document open. However, when I selected to open a new document -- boom, DPS server crash. Arg! Help! Regards, David K. Drum uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (no NeXTMail please)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Uploads to FTP sites Message-ID: <1993Apr13.232742.8541@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Mar31.075857.2152@metrosoft.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 23:27:42 GMT Gordon Van Huizen (gvh@metrosoft.com) wrote: : In article <1993Mar31.014454.22155@leland.Stanford.EDU> : spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: : > Again, I disagree, tar and compress are on all systems. gzip is not : > (someone correct me?). Squash is a commercial product. Even though : > freeware gzips and UnSquash utilities are available, few people know : > where to find them/how to use them. Look at all the bandwidth : > recently devoted to figuring out how to deal with .z files. And : > periodically there is a flood of `what the h* is a .squfile?' : > questions. : : I really, really, really agree with this. A truly standard format that : all people can deal with is better than squeezing that last bit out via : compression. More bandwidth has been spent helping people figure out : what "squashed" files are than was saved by the compressions. Not to : mention the delays and frustrations involved. : : If you feel you *must* use a non-standard form of compression, by all : means MAKE IT CLEAR to a neophyte user what they need to decompress it : in a seperate uncompressed README. : By all means send them as tar.Z's Let the site manager repackage them if he has a prefered format. This way everything on a given site will be organized according to the SA's preference. On mine, I do everything as zips as it saves about 25% over tar.Z -- but I have the source code for unzip as a tar.Z file, and explanations for making it. Next binaries are inside it too. -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time) Message-ID: <1993Apr14.002851.12328@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <C55KFK.Cq0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 00:28:51 GMT In all this would someone explain The advantage of gzip over info-zip. I've been using infozip for some time here and like the way I can have the functionality of tar and compress in one program plus the advantage of the freshen/update/comment etc. -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: Grabbing a tear-off menu or any menu at all Message-ID: <1993Apr14.003915.13010@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Apr1.221305.18628@worldbank.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 00:39:15 GMT masud cader (masud@invnext.worldbank.org) wrote: : I am trying to write some documents which include "grabbed" shots of my : NeXTSTEP menus. However, I have noticed that I cannot grab the menu of my : application as a selection because Grab is at the forefront. The only : (somewhat time consuming) thing to do, seems to grab the window, then cut the : menus out of that... Is this really the only way to do it? : : Thanks for the help...let's hope that there is a snap for the NeXT...saves us : all from grabbing :-) : Why not run grab while you are in IB, with the app in test mode, or does that not work either?
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT's presence on the net Date: 14 Apr 1993 03:44:55 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qg1bnINNh2p@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I've just finished reading comp.sys.sun.misc, it is littered with postings from sun people replaying to questions people have raised on things. How come NeXT doesn't have that sort of presence in this group? I think it would be a nice idea to hear a little more from them. john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: The best NeXT demo Message-ID: <1993Apr13.161600.2945@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Apr12.175744.22981@socrates.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 16:16:00 GMT In article <1993Apr12.175744.22981@socrates.umd.edu> fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) writes: > In article <1993Apr10.203257.4162@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > >Demo SimonSays. Everyone (Apple, IBM, etc) is working in voice recognition. > >It's not perfect, but it's a cool demo! > > > >Also- for programmers, the gdb-edit debugging tools, and Simple.app (the 3Dkit > >demo. Make sure to drive home the point that the whole app was written with > >so little code). > > > >Use IB to make a sound recording application, or a simple word processor. > >Those are more impressive than connecting a slider to a field. > > > > I disagree--one of the best demo I have seen on a NeXT was > the quick FtoC (degree) converter. It shows off IB well and > you do the following: Start with Text Field to input the > temperture value. Build the rest of the interface and write > the two lines of code needed (being sure to message the Text > Field with id sender, eg, [sender floatValue]) and compile the > app and run it. Now go back into IB and replace the Text Field > with a Slider. DO NOT RECOMPILE! Just save and run. The slider > replaces the id sender at run time. This is what dynamic binding > and NeXT are all about. > > Good luck, > Charlie > > >-- > >Jonathan W. Hendry > >Drexel University College Of Info. Studies > >tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu > > > -- > NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and > charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my > | brother wizards. > The best demo I have given is to use a few objects I built to augment DBKit and create a complete header and detail database update screen without any code written. If you can target the application to one that the client is thinking of building or has had the headache of maintaining in conventional code, this really sells. If there is no code to maintain applications cost a LOT less. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1993Apr13.162210.3001@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Apr12.213018.28029@cyantic.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 16:22:10 GMT In article <1993Apr12.213018.28029@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: > In article <1qbuj6INN83v@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> bostrov@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Vareck Bostrom) writes: > >In article <1993Apr7.201750.27221@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: > >>In article <1993Apr3.170240.9040@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: > >>>In article <1pghu8INNl6c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> > >>>bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes: > >>>[...] > > > >Machine CPU Spec92Int Spec92FP > >Intel 486/50 486DX50 30.1 14.0 > >Intel 486/66 486DX266 32.4 16.1 > >Intel P5/66 Pentium-66 64.5 56.9 > >DEC 3k 400 AXP ? Alpha-133MHz 65.3 112.2 > >DEC 3k 500 AXP Alpha - ???MHz 74.3 126.0 > >HP 9k/705 parisc 33 mhz 22.7 39.3 > >HP 9k/710 parisc 50 mhz 32.7 56.4 > >HP 9k/730 parisc 66 mhz 52.0 86.7 > >HP 9k/735 parisc 99 mhz 80.0 150.6 > >Sun Sparc IPC 25 mhz sparc 13.8 11.1 > >Sun Sparc LX 40 mhz microsparc 26.4 21.0 > >Sun Sparc 10/20 33 mhz supersparc 39.8 46.6 > >Sun Sparc 10/30 36 mhz supersparc 44.2 52.9 > >Sun Sparc 10/41 40 mhz supersparc 52.6 64.7 > >Sun Sparc 10/52 2 45 mhz supersparcs 58.1 (each) 71.4 (each) > > > > I believe we will see 50 mhz SuperSPARC shortly. That should boost the > benchmarks a little. So when will we see NS on these boxes? > > >My results for the AXP machines may be for 100 and 133 MHz Alphas, I don't > >know. > > > >If you are looking for FP, like I am, I think that an HP 9000/7xx is > >probably the best way to go for the money. > > What about IBM? Isn't their floating point pretty good? > > As far as HP and DEC go, how much farther can they juice that silicon > without blasting quarks and electrons all over the place. What's the long > term outlook on these chips that have gone for quick performance hits? The last I heard DEC was planning on releasing a 300Mhz Alpha that was Quad issue about the end of the year! Their labs are suposed to be working on getting it to about 700Mhz. This is of course all futures but the point is that they plan in keeping Alpha in the lead for the next 10-20 years. > -- > > Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 > CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 > 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Anybody got NewsGrazer compiled for NS/Intel? Message-ID: <1993Apr14.071714.12417@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 07:17:14 GMT Moving over from my Sparc to a new Gateway Intel system running NeXTSTEP. We're running beta now, but I'd like to get NewsGrazer going on it to reduce my dependancy to the Sun to Lucid Emacs under X windows... -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: zip vs. gzip (was Re: Squash vs. tar/gzip (third time)) Date: 14 Apr 1993 07:01:28 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1qgcs9INN1jq@gap.caltech.edu> References: <C55KFK.Cq0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Apr14.002851.12328@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> >> In all this would someone explain the advantage of gzip over info-zip. Sure. gzip has much less header overhead than zip. The zip file format adds a minimum of 100 bytes to the compressed data, whereas gzip adds only 18 bytes. This makes it useful for compressing small files. Also, gzip is designed as a drop-in replacement for compress. It is used identically to compress (including the uncompress and zcat functions), but gets better compression (and also does a 32-bit crc on the uncompressed data for integrity checking). Finally, info-zip's zip is designed to be compatible with PKWare's zip and unzip, and so cannot make zip files that PKUNZIP can't extract. However, gzip has no such compatbility restriction, and so gzip can eventually adopt even more effective compression methods without having to wait for PKWare to develop them. For now though, gzip uses exactly the same compression engine that info-zip's zip does (and the same decompression engine that unzip does). As for having the functionality of tar and gzip in one program, zip isn't quite there yet. It does not store Unix GMT timestamps yet, so it is "lossy" when it converts to DOS times and then back to Unix (DOS times are local, have a resolution of two seconds instead of one second, and have a smaller range). It also does not store owner or group information, or try to detect hard links. tar however keeps all this stuff, so tar is a better archiver than zip. Furthermore, tar|gzip is a better compressor than zip, becuase zip compresses files individually, whereas tar|gzip compresses them all together. The latter can take advantage of cross-file redundancy, especially for many small files, and really especially if you group the files by type. What you lose is the zip capability of freshening, updating, or deleting without having to recompress everything in the archive. I don't consider this a great loss personally, since I hardly ever want to do those, but I suppose others make more use of those zip functions. Of course, nothing keeps you from doing tar|zip instead of tar|gzip, except for the extra overhead of zip header information. So why use zip? Zip is designed for cross-platform transfers of data. It supports a wide variety of operating systems, including (of course) MSDOS, nearly all flavors of Unix, VMS, OS/2, Atari, Amiga, Macintosh, TOPS-20, Windows/NT, and maybe some others I'm forgetting. It handles all of the attribute information from OS/2, MSDOS, and VMS (except file structure for the latter), and handles the resource forks on Macs. So, use gzip (or tar|gzip) on your Unix system or between Unix systems. Use zip for portable archives, or if you really want freshen and delete like operations. Hmm. I thought the answer would be shorter than that. Oh well. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Pencom Can Help With Drivers -- Sigh.... Date: 14 Apr 1993 08:22:46 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1qghkm$2bm@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Apr13.185828.27863@pencom.com> In article <1993Apr13.185828.27863@pencom.com> theap@pencom.com (Tim Heap) writes: >In an effort to hasten support for NeXTSTEP(R) for Intel(R) >processors, Pencom Software today introduced a special program >to provide prototype device drivers for NeXTSTEP for Intel >processors. The driver prototype is suitable for evalutation >purposes and demonstration at NeXTWorld Expo(SM). >The program, targeted to hardware vendors, is an opportunity >to have a driver developed quickly for a small, fixed-price >fee. Pencom Software has been working with NeXT to develop >drivers for NeXTSTEP for Intel processors and as a result, is >able to use this knowledge to accelerate efforts to support >NeXTSTEP for Intel processors. >Drivers will be delivered in a binary-only distribution and is >covered by no warranty or maintenance agreement. Oh well, now that writing drivers has been productized by a third party, NeXT won't probably be releasing NS/Intel device driver sources, for which I made an open plea to NeXT about a month ago. Sigh.... I would have liked to see NeXT release ALL device driver sources that they have developed to provide easy starting point for anyone to pick, choose and modify to make an odd device work. Now, Pencom plans to make money on driver-writing services, what I wished doesn't seem likely to happen. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: heading@signal.dra.hmg.gb (Anthony J.R. Heading) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Pencom Can Help With Drivers -- Sigh.... Date: 14 Apr 1993 09:57:52 +0100 Organization: Defence Research Agency Message-ID: <1qgjmhINNniu@liszt.dra.hmg.gb> References: <1993Apr13.185828.27863@pencom.com> <1qghkm$2bm@agate.berkeley.edu> As long as the damn things get written, I suppose that's all that all that matters... I get the impression NeXT don't pay much attention to this newsgroup - Sun and DEC groups are full of official surveys, questionaires and responses, but not NeXT. If this is true, there's not much hope of them listening to the sensible grass-roots suggestion about making driver code public... How many people reading this group know everything necessary to write device drivers (commercial organisations not included)? Probably not many - but a couple of reference implementations of device drivers would get a lot of us up to scratch fairly quickly. If I buy an Acme XYZ-100 Ethernet card, it comes with virtually no documentation, and a driver for Windows (how nice). Is hardware (memory-mapping, timing, etc) information available in general from manufacturers? If it is, then there is considerable scope for a team effort. A
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Pencom Can Help With Drivers -- Sigh.... Message-ID: <1993Apr14.114549.22576@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Apr13.185828.27863@pencom.com> <1qghkm$2bm@agate.berkeley.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 11:45:49 GMT In article <1qghkm$2bm@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr13.185828.27863@pencom.com> theap@pencom.com (Tim Heap) writes: >>In an effort to hasten support for NeXTSTEP(R) for Intel(R) >>processors, Pencom Software today introduced a special program >>to provide prototype device drivers for NeXTSTEP for Intel >>processors. The driver prototype is suitable for evalutation >>purposes and demonstration at NeXTWorld Expo(SM). > >>The program, targeted to hardware vendors, is an opportunity >>to have a driver developed quickly for a small, fixed-price >>fee. Pencom Software has been working with NeXT to develop >>drivers for NeXTSTEP for Intel processors and as a result, is >>able to use this knowledge to accelerate efforts to support >>NeXTSTEP for Intel processors. > >>Drivers will be delivered in a binary-only distribution and is >>covered by no warranty or maintenance agreement. Its not clear to me why anyone would want a binary only 'prototype driver'. I guess it is a way for people to be able to show their wares at NWX. But it doesn't seem to be of any long term value to Pencom customers. After all, they will have to pay Pencom more money after they are finished. >Oh well, now that writing drivers has been productized by >a third party, NeXT won't probably be releasing NS/Intel >device driver sources, for which I made an open plea to NeXT >about a month ago. Sigh.... Look at this way. If NeXT released the driver code between now and May to everyone, then NeXT would be getting a bunch of calls like. "I've got this figured out EXCEPT for this one little piece". The amount of work supporting 50-100 small driver writers would be several orders of maginitude over the work supporting 1-2 companies. I know that Pencom had a couple of their people in RWC working with Software Engineering to understand the "still not completely documented" DriverKit architecture. >I would have liked to see NeXT release ALL device driver >sources that they have developed to provide easy starting >point for anyone to pick, choose and modify to make an odd >device work. I'm not sure I know of any company that releases the sources to "ALL" their drivers. I do think that NeXT will release enough documentaton for Driver Kit that knowledgable people will be able to build them. >Now, Pencom plans to make money on driver-writing services, >what I wished doesn't seem likely to happen. SHORT TERM with the NW Expo crunch, this is true. Though, I think most people's frustrations will be because they wanted to make money on driver writing services. (Thats where mine are). -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Pencom Can Help With Drivers -- Sigh.... Message-ID: <1993Apr14.115045.22727@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Apr13.185828.27863@pencom.com> <1qghkm$2bm@agate.berkeley.edu> <1qgjmhINNniu@liszt.dra.hmg.gb> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 11:50:45 GMT In article <1qgjmhINNniu@liszt.dra.hmg.gb> heading@signal.dra.hmg.gb (Anthony J.R. Heading) writes: >As long as the damn things get written, I suppose that's all that >all that matters... > >I get the impression NeXT don't pay much attention to this >newsgroup - Sun and DEC groups are full of official >surveys, questionaires and responses, but not NeXT. >If this is true, there's not much hope of them listening >to the sensible grass-roots suggestion about making >driver code public... Thats not true. There are a lot of people inside NeXT that read the net. They don't reply. Don't confuse not releasing the driver code with not releasing DriverKit. Also consider the fact that NeXT is working towards the May release. At this point, there is probably not enough manpower to get the early documentation out and support all the people who "want to write drivers". >How many people reading this group know everything >necessary to write device drivers (commercial organisations >not included)? Probably not many - but a couple of >reference implementations of device drivers would get >a lot of us up to scratch fairly quickly. There are some people that would have no problem writing drivers with a couple of good examples. I agree that NeXT should get them out as soon as possible. I wouild imagine the Pencom thing was a low risk oportunity for NeXT to get drivers written. Pencom has that background and were willing to spend the money to get people trained right. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kohno@ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Fujimasa Kohno) Subject: Icon manual? Message-ID: <1993Apr14.122424.4944@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Sender: news@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Kyoto University, JAPAN Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 12:24:24 GMT Previously I got Icon manual from the Net, but it would seem lost when I updated my system to OS 3.0. If there is someone who has it, could you please email me? -- Fujimasa Kohno Dept. of Cardiology, Kyoto Univ. Hospital Email : kohno@ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (NeXT Mail OK!) Voice : +81-75-702-7203 Fax : +81-75-702-6219 ujimasa Kohno Dept. of Cardiology, Kyoto Univ. Hospital Em -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FYI;"!&:7AE9$=O=&AI8T)"0D-O M=7)I97([7&8Q7&9S=VES<R!(96QV971I8V$[?0I<;6%R9VPQ,C`*7&UA<F=R M,3(P"EQP87)D7'1X,3`T,%QT>#(P.#!<='@S,3(P7'1X-#$V,%QT>#4R,#!< M='@V,C0P7'1X-S(X,%QT>#@S,C!<='@Y,S8P7'1X,3`T,#!<9C!<8C!<:3!< M=6QN;VYE7&9S,C9<9F,P7&-F,"!0<F5V:6]U<VQY($D@9V]T($EC;VX@;6%N M=6%L(&9R;VT@=&AE($YE="P@8G5T(&ET('=O=6QD('-E96T@;&]S="!W:&5N M($D@=7!D871E9"!M>2!S>7-T96T@=&\@3U,@,RXP+B!)9B!T:&5R92!I<R!S M;VUE;VYE('=H;R!H87,@:70L(&-O=6QD('EO=2!P;&5A<V4@96UA:6P@;64_ M7`I<"BTM7`H*7'!A<F1<='@Q,3(P7'1X,C(T,%QT>#,S-C!<='@T-#@P7'1X M-38P,%QT>#8W,C!<='@W.#0P7'1X.#DV,%QT>#$P,#@P7'1X,3$R,#!<9C%< M9F,P7&-F,"!&=6II;6%S82!+;VAN;PI<9C!<9G,R."`@("`@("`@("`@("`@ M("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("!<"@I<9C%<9G,R-B!$97!T+B!O9B!#87)D M:6]L;V=Y+"!+>6]T;R!5;FEV+B!(;W-P:71A;`I<9C!<9G,R."`@("`@("`@ M("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@("`@7`H*7&8Q7&9S,C8@16UA:6P@.B!K;VAN M;T!I8W,N:W5L82YK>6]T;RUU+F%C+FIP("A.95A4($UA:6P@3TLA*5P*5F]I M8V4@.B`K.#$M-S4M-S`R+3<R,#-<"D9A>"`@("`Z("LX,2TW-2TW,#(M-C(Q &.5P*"GT* `
From: theap@pencom.com (Tim Heap) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Pencom Can Help With Drivers Message-ID: <1993Apr13.185828.27863@pencom.com> Date: 13 Apr 93 18:58:28 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Distribution: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: Pencom Software In an effort to hasten support for NeXTSTEP(R) for Intel(R) processors, Pencom Software today introduced a special program to provide prototype device drivers for NeXTSTEP for Intel processors. The driver prototype is suitable for evalutation purposes and demonstration at NeXTWorld Expo(SM). The program, targeted to hardware vendors, is an opportunity to have a driver developed quickly for a small, fixed-price fee. Pencom Software has been working with NeXT to develop drivers for NeXTSTEP for Intel processors and as a result, is able to use this knowledge to accelerate efforts to support NeXTSTEP for Intel processors. Drivers will be delivered in a binary-only distribution and is covered by no warranty or maintenance agreement. Support at NeXTWORLD Expo will be provided as available. The software may not be sold or given away. Unlimited copies of the drivers may be made and installed on the client's machines installed at the client's facility. The drivers also may be installed on client machines at the NeXTWORLD Expo. For additional details, call Tim Heap at Pencom Software, (512) 343-6666, theap@pencom.com. Pencom Software's is a division of Pencom Systems Incorporated, a national technical search and recruiting firm with projected revenues of $38 million for 1992. Today, Pencom is the only company of its kind to provide the entire suite of specialized services necessary for a smooth migration to open systems computing through personnel, services and products. NeXT, the NeXT logo, and NeXTSTEP are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. in the U.S. and other countries. NeXTWORLD Expo is a service mark of NeXT Computer, Inc. -- Timothy M. Heap Email: theap@pencom.com Pencom Software Phone: (512) 343-6666 9050 Capital of Texas Hwy. N. FAX: (512) 343-9650 Austin, TX 78759 >>> NeXT Mail GLADLY Accepted <<<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ted) Subject: Re: Windows NT slips again, and again, and again.... Message-ID: <C5H7z4.9w3@news.claremont.edu> Sender: news@news.claremont.edu (The News System) Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 References: <1qf5vuINN8ap@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 13:54:39 GMT In article <1qf5vuINN8ap@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >Extract from Unigram.X April 12-16 #431 > >For your enjoyment: > > DESKTOP NT "AT $180" NEEDS 16Mb, > SHIPS NOW PROMISED BY AUGUST >Although Bill Gates has apparently firmed up prices for Microsoft >Corp's Windows NT operating system, they still aren't finalised, >according to the company. The first ship date has moved off into >the future again, and "no later than" August 1 is the new target. Ac- >cording to Gates, in comments reported in PC Week, large corporate >customers looking to upgrade from Windows 3 to NT will be eble >to do so for less than $100 per desktop - the upgrade price for Win- >dows users will be $300, which translates to $180 "on the street" >and less than "$lOO per system" after deep volume discounts, Gates >told a meeting of the Corporate Association of Microcomputer Pro- >fessionals in Chicago. OS/2 users will be offered "extremely low >prices." NT's suggested retail price for new - desktop - users will >be >$500. More bad news is that memory requiremeats are continuing >to soar - Gates last week recommended that NT users install l6MB >on their desktop machines, even though the documentation may >specify 12Mb - and no more than about 10% of 80486 machines >have 16Mb. Servers could require more than 16Mb, he added. Ini- >tial NT buyers will need to have specific applications in mind for it >- "If you don't know why you want NT, you probably don't want >NT," he said. I enjoyed the slipped ship date :) Very humorous. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >NeXTSTEP's looking more and more attractive. What else can Mr. Gates say >to run NT into the ground? Projection: NT will never ship. Win32c will >take it's place. Frankly, NeXTSTEP has less chance of shipping than NT. NT is backed by MS. It will ship. I just read in the Electronic Engineering Times that Canon is waffling on the prospective purchase of NeXT's hardware, and there is concern as to whether NeXT has the money to stay afloat. Interesting times ahead for NeXT. > >Eric > Ted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.0 Tech Docs? Message-ID: <0096B023.53EF22DA@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> From: citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 15:00:28 GMT Distribution: na,local Organization: University of Arizona I've been holding off buying the NeXT 3.0 technical docs until the 7th volume has been published. The 7th volume was on NeXT's version of Objective-C. I like to know if that last volume has (finally) been published or, if not, when it is like to appear on bookshelves. Thanks Don McCollam citdem@happy.rc.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1993Apr14.162325.339@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Apr13.162210.3001@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 16:23:25 GMT Michael Allen Latta writes > The last I heard DEC was planning on releasing a 300Mhz Alpha that > was Quad issue about the end of the year! Their labs are suposed > to be working on getting it to about 700Mhz. This is of course > all futures but the point is that they plan in keeping Alpha in > the lead for the next 10-20 years. Fine and dandy - they'll have the fastest chip in the business and put the worst OS (NT) on it. At the same time pissing off their OSF/1 and VMS programmers and developers. Methinks some management things at Dec are running around with half a brain. (Maybe if we all clap our hands and think real hard, Tinkerbell will give us NS/AXP? Nah, too good to hope for...) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: United Kingdom NeXT User Group April Meeting - April 29th Message-ID: <7456@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 14 Apr 93 16:03:45 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy United Kingdom NeXT User Group April Meeting - April 29th The April '93 meeting of NUG(UK) will be held on Thursday 29th April at 7PM in the offices of Xexos. The main topic of discussion will be the spreadsheet called Mesa. Its author, Dave Pollak, is visiting the UK that day and will hopefully be able to tell us all about this powerful and versatile app. Also, our own Paul Lynch will describe how novel applications can be created using Mesa via the API. The details of Xexos are as follows:- Contact name: Paul Lynch Address: Xexos 1 New Concordia Wharf Mill Street SE1 Telephone: 071-231-4535 Directions: From Tower Hill tube station. Walk across Tower Bridge. Turn right down Tooley Street. Mill Street is on left (after Dockhead pub on right). Journey time approximately 20 minutes walk. If you intend to attend the meeting, then I would be grateful if you could let me know by one of the contact means given below. I look forward to meeting you there. Regards Paul Paul K. Beaumont NeXTSTEP User Group (UK) EMail: paul@nuguk.demon.co.uk [NeXTmail welcomed] Tel : +44-(0)844-281332 Fax : +44-(0)844-281778 Snail: 1 Salt Lane, Postcombe, Thame, Oxon, OX9 7EE, UK
From: gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PPP for NeXT Date: 14 Apr 1993 17:20:41 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1qhh59$lkm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> I'm looking for PPP for my NeXT, BUT(!) not for my next to connect to services, it is already ethernetted into the net. I want to be able to dial into my NeXT an establish a PPP connection with the dialing machine (mac and pc) allowing the caller to access PPP services. Actually I DON'T dial directly into the NeXT, I dial into the university and it connects into the NeXT, they offer PPP on the 2400 dial-ins, but not 9600+. (I'd be interested in SLIP if no PPP, but PPP is what I'm really looking for.) I've seen messages talk about PPP (& SLIP) but they generally look like they are connecting the NeXT to something else to give it (the NeXT) PPP services. Thanks! Gary -- Gary J LaPointe gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu Michigan State University Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities
From: jmward@ucrengr (jonathan ward) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Windows NT slips again, and again, and again.... Message-ID: <28910@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: 14 Apr 93 18:08:00 GMT Article-I.D.: galaxy.28910 References: <C5H7z4.9w3@news.claremont.edu> Sender: news@galaxy.ucr.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Ted (tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu) wrote: : Frankly, NeXTSTEP has less chance of shipping than NT. NT is backed by : MS. It will ship. I just read in the Electronic Engineering Times : that Canon is waffling on the prospective purchase of NeXT's hardware, : and there is concern as to whether NeXT has the money to stay afloat. : Interesting times ahead for NeXT. Hmmm....Not going to buy the factory....Hey, who knows, maybe NeXT will be forced to go _BACK_ into the hardware business again :-). I'll get that NeXT Station yet...(After all, they did garner their first profitable quarter this last year before going out of the hardware business) Here's hoping.... -Jonathan Ward University of California, Riverside ---------- Email to: drdrums@watserv.ucr.edu drdrums@csld.ucr.edu jmward@cs.ucr.edu NOTE: Reports have been that my NNTP server does not generate correct reply addresses, so USE THE ONES LISTED HERE! BTW, NeXT mail welcome and appreciated(except at jmward) :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: stelios@chios.dorm.Virginia.EDU (Stelios Makrinos) Subject: Re: Windows NT slips again, and again, and again.... Message-ID: <C5HM5D.MFK@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <28910@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:00:48 GMT In article <28910@galaxy.ucr.edu> jmward@ucrengr (jonathan ward) writes: > Ted (tlilley@jarthur.claremont.edu) wrote: > : Frankly, NeXTSTEP has less chance of shipping than NT. NT is backed by > : MS. It will ship. I just read in the Electronic Engineering Times > : that Canon is waffling on the prospective purchase of NeXT's hardware, > : and there is concern as to whether NeXT has the money to stay afloat. > : Interesting times ahead for NeXT. > > Hmmm....Not going to buy the factory....Hey, who knows, maybe NeXT will > be forced to go _BACK_ into the hardware business again :-). I'll get > that NeXT Station yet...(After all, they did garner their first > profitable quarter this last year before going out of the hardware > business) Here's hoping.... > -Jonathan Ward > University of California, Riverside Hey, what a neat idea. I don't think that it would happen. But I would love to see it. I want an NRW with the PowerPC and if Canon is going not going to buy the factory, why not build it? (I know what it would take to reopen the factory and how impossible it probably is, but heres hoping.) Stelios Makrinos Former NeXT Campus Consultant University of Virginia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software From: cottle@prism1 (Rick Cottle) Subject: DBKit Oracle Demo -- Need help connecting Message-ID: <1993Apr14.194755.727@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Sender: usenet@newsgate.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:47:55 GMT I have tried to make the NS DBKit connect to oracle running on an RS6000. Nothing I do seems to cause it to actually try to connect and log me in to the database. Is there something else I need, like SQL*Net for the NeXT? -- R i c k C o t t l e Email:cottle@prism.sps.mot.com
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Dell, DG, Epson, HP, NEC, Siemens Announce NeXTSTEP Support Keywords: Intel, Ingram Micro, NeXTConnection, Logicon, Pencom, Trident, SHL, Linotype Message-ID: <7462@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 14 Apr 93 20:32:01 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy News: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Emily Brower Allison Thomas Associates (415) 780-3786 Data General, Dell, EPSON America, Hewlett-Packard, NEC and Siemens Nixdorf Announce Support for NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors Ingram Micro, NeXTConnection, VARs and SIs to Sell New Version REDWOOD CITY, Calif., April 14, 1993 - NeXT Computer, Inc. today announced partnerships with several major PC manufacturers and a national distributor to sell NEXTSTEP for Intel 80486 and Pentium-based PCs, beginning May 25. NEXTSTEP for Intel processors runs on a wide range of industry-standard Intel486 and Pentium-based desktop and portable computers and will ship worldwide on May 25 in conjunction with the 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo in San Francisco and Spring Comdex in Atlanta. The user environment will sell for a U.S. list price of $795. The developer tools, named NEXTSTEP Developer, will have a list price of $1,995 in the U.S. Developers need both the user environment and NEXTSTEP Developer, for a combined price of $2,790. "These partnerships lay the foundation for the success of NEXTSTEP in the Intel marketplace," said Steven P. Jobs, chairman and CEO of NeXT. "NEXTSTEP will be running on more than 100 different PCs on May 25. This will complete our transition to a software company." Data General, Dell, EPSON, HP, NEC, and Siemens Nixdorf to Offer Factory-Installed Systems and NeXT-Certified PCs NEXTSTEP will be available factory-installed on the hard disks of Intel486- and Pentium-based PCs manufactured by Data General Corp., Dell Computer Corp., EPSON America, Inc., NEC Technologies, Inc. and Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems AG. Each company will sell fully configured systems through its existing channels of distribution. Hewlett-Packard Company will market NEXTSTEP-certified PCs via their resellers, who will integrate and deliver fully configured NEXTSTEP hardware/software solutions to their customers. "We've maintained a close technical relationship with NeXT throughout the development of this new version and have seen a great deal of interest for NEXTSTEP on Dell hardware from developers and other segments of our customer base," said Charles Sauer, Dell's vice president of software and technology. "NeXT is well-positioned to become a serious player in the operating systems arena with NEXTSTEP for Intel processors, and Dell will provide cutting-edge systems to customers requiring the NEXTSTEP operating environment." Compatible Systems for Other PC Manufacturers NEXTSTEP will also run on more than 100 PC configurations from Altima Systems, AST Research Inc., Digital Equipment Corp., Gateway 200 Inc., Intel Corp., Lucky-Goldstar Information Systems, NCR Corporation, Toshiba America Information Systems Inc., Zenith Data Systems Corp. and other leading manufacturers. Distribution Through Ingram Micro, NeXTConnection, VARs NEXTSTEP will be made available in North America to resellers through Ingram Micro, one of the leading national distributors in the industry. Ingram Micro will authorize leading VARs and dealers to sell NEXTSTEP to end users. NeXT's current resellers, numbering more than 200, are being pre-authorized to purchase NEXTSTEP for Intel processors through Ingram. "We are pleased to be announcing this distribution agreement with Ingram Micro, which will greatly expand NeXT's capability to recruit, market to and support premier VARs and Integrators for NEXTSTEP," said Erna Arnesen, NeXT's director of channel sales. In addition, NeXTConnection (a division of PC Connection, headquartered in Marlow, NH) will distribute a shrink-wrapped version of NEXTSTEP for Intel processors through its mail order operation. NeXTConnection also distributes third-party software and peripherals for NEXTSTEP. NEXTSTEP VARs, systems integrators, and consultants such as Linotype-Heil AG, SHL Systemhouse Inc., Logicon Ultrasystems, Pencom Software, and Trident Data Systems, will provide a wide spectrum of solutions including vertical packaged offerings and custom client/server applications and integration and consulting services. NeXT's Direct Sales Force NeXT's sales force will concentrate on marketing NEXTSTEP directly to major accounts (e.g. large corporations and government organizations). These Fortune 500 accounts can choose to purchase fully integrated systems from NeXT's OEM partners or resellers, or they can purchase shrink-wrapped software directly from NeXT. Regional sales offices are located in Redwood City, Calif, Chicago, Washington, D.C., and New York. European headquarters are located in Munich, Germany. Other customers will acquire NEXTSTEP from selected resellers who will obtain NEXTSTEP via Ingram Micro. These resellers include VARs, VADs and systems integrators as well as NeXTConnection. About NeXT NeXT develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. NEXTSTEP is used by customers to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped productivity software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, Calif., 94063. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) Subject: Re: NeXT's presence on the net Message-ID: <1993Apr14.212023.10646@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1qg1bnINNh2p@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:20:23 GMT John G Shirlaw writes | I've just finished reading comp.sys.sun.misc, it is littered with postings from | sun people replaying to questions people have raised on things. How come NeXT | doesn't have that sort of presence in this group? | | I think it would be a nice idea to hear a little more from them. I can't imagine why this isn't obvious. THEY'RE BEATING THEIR BRAINS OUT TRYING TO GET THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT OUT BY MAY 25. For you, their customer. Not to mention redoing the company's whole marketing/sales operation, building strategic partnerships, etc. NeXT employees have contributed to the newsgroups in the past -- different employees at different times in various ways. Frankly, I don't think a lot of what appears here deserves much of a reply -- the people who know what they are doing are off doing it. I trust that when NeXT becomes a fat and profitable company, and decides that its best business strategy is to abandon its technical leadership (as Sun has), they'll have plenty of employees posting to the net. (I agree a technical presence would be nice, but I'd rather have them working on, for example, making the Digital Librarian usable, or supporting non-AppKit object in Initerface Builder). Tom
From: casey@gauss.llnl.gov (Casey Leedom) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.aux,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.xenix.misc,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.mach,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.misc Subject: Need information on computer marketplace Date: 14 Apr 1993 22:44:37 GMT Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qi44l$7bg@lll-winken.llnl.gov> Summary: Gathering information for talk on the future of UNIX Keywords: Future of UNIX, POSIX, OSF, Mach, Windows NT Hi, Sorry for the very large cross posting here. I'm doing some research on a presentation I'm going to make on the future of UNIX at a workshop at the end of this month. I would be very greatful for any information people can give me or point me at regarding the attached questions. Please email me directly and I will summarize my results by mailing my presentation to all who ask for it. Since my presentation will be on either the 22nd or 23rd of April, I won't be able to post it until afterwards. Also, if you feel that it would be more appropriate for me to post my presentation, please tell me. If I get enough requests, I'll post it to the same news groups. Finally, I know that I'm asking a lot and I won't blame you if you feel that I need flaming my hubris. However, I'll be very greatful for any help you can offer. Thanks for your time and help!! Casey ----- All questions are requests for worldwide numbers unless otherwise stated. However, if you have American numbers, or some other geographic market, I'm still interested and will try to use such numbers to construct a minimum worldwide market estimate. OBJECTIVE QUESTIONS: ==================== The following questions are designed to try to determine what the current small to medium computer hardware market looks. I.e. what hardware is out there being used. 1. How many 386 and 486 IBM PC and clones are in use in the market? This includes any operating system and all home, business and research systems. 2. How many Macintosh II class and better machines are in use? This includes any operating system and all home, business and research systems. 3. How many ``UNIX systems'' are in use? This includes all traditional monolithic BSD, Mach, SysV, etc. based systems, but shouldn't include UNIX running on IBM PC compatible or Macintosh systems. This includes all home, business and research systems. The following questions are designed to try to determine the demographics of useage for the above systems. 4. How many of the above systems are being used in technical research? a. Operating system research? b. General computer science research? c. General scientific research? 5. How many of the above systems are being used in hard real-time production uses? 6. How many of the above systems are being used in business? 7. How many of the above systems are being used in the home? SUBJECTIVE QUESTIONS: ===================== The following questions are designed to try to determine which markets some of the various operating systems may be able to penetrate. Please provide your opinion on these questions for any operating system you think is relevant. (Yes, I know that's rather open ended, but this is the subjective section after all. :-)) 8. What is the ``cost'' of the operating system? a. Its purchase and upgrade price/year? b. The amount of time necessary to install and maintain it? 9. How ``useful'' is the operating system for research? a. Operating system and OS related research? (i.e. the OS must be ``modified'' or extended in some manner to accomplish the research. If you claim that this can be done with dynamically loaded OS modules or user-level tasks in a micro-kernel OS, that's fine.) b. General computer science research? c. General scientific research? 10. How ``useful'' is the operating system for hard real-time production uses? 11. How ``useful'' is the operating system for business? a. Electronic communication: email, graphics, animations, sound, teleconferencing, etc. b. Document preparation: WYSWIG editing, multimedia, hypertext, collaborative development, etc. 12. How ``useful'' is the operating system for home use? (Writing, paying bills, education, kid's homework, entertainment, etc.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1993Apr14.232021.16402@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Apr14.162325.339@adobe.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 23:20:21 GMT I write > Fine and dandy - they'll have the fastest chip in the business and > put the worst OS (NT) on it. At the same time pissing off their > OSF/1 and VMS programmers and developers. This implies that VMS & OSF/1 are going away - didn't mean to imply that. But Dec did say that NT was their OS of choice for Alpha platforms, and that's what they're going to push. Given the good quality of the Alpha VMS and OSF/1 implementations, such a decision to push NT strikes me as somewhat brain-dead. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Gregory W. Gee <gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Subject: xremote for NeXT Cc: comp.sys.next.misc@newshost.uwo.ca, comp.sys.next.sysadmin@newshost.uwo.ca Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 02:09:08 GMT Message-ID: <9304150209.AA07034@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> To: comp.sys.next.software@newshost.uwo.ca Sender: daemon@julian.uwo.ca (Julian System Daemon Account) I was wondering if there is any xremote software for the NeXT. I am running Xfe or Xmouse (whichever it is?) and am trying to use the xremote offered at our university. I was wondering if the software I need is out there somewhere. Tips on how to use it would be greatly appreciated too. Thanks. **************************************************************************** Greg Gee gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Honours Computer Science, ggee@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario NeXT Mail accepted >>> Developing in the NeXT generation <<< ****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc From: root@ictv.com (Operator) Subject: Looking for NeXTBus Developers Kit Message-ID: <1993Apr15.020431.17164@ictv.com> Followup-To: ? Organization: ICTV, Santa Clara, CA (408) 562-9200 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 02:04:31 GMT My company is interested in purchasing a NeXTBus developer's kit. Please email me at robert@ictv.com if you have one for sale. thanks, Robert
From: GEB0983@SAE.TOWSON.EDU (Eric Bennett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Dvorak keyboards? Date: 15 Apr 1993 00:35:22 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <01GX0T6ZHSK2935T2N@TOE.TOWSON.EDU> eps@shell.portal.com (Eric Schwartz) writes: > Has anyone had any luck turning their NeXT keyboards into Dvorak format? Here is a mutant Dvorak layout that I have been using and its "source" file. I've figured out the important parts of the keymap file and have written a little parser to make it easy to change. It gets around the limitations in Keyboard.app. Note: The included keymap (I think) won't work for ADB keyboards. The NeXT-supplied .keymapping files have info for each keyboard type - mine doesn't. Maybe later... 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jlehr@synex.andi.org (Jonathan Lehr) Subject: NEW TRAINING COURSES FOR NeXTSTEP DEVELOPERS Message-ID: <C5HxF9.FIJ@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 23:04:20 GMT Keywords: training, NeXTSTEP Reply-To: jlehr@nextsrv1.andi.org Distribution: world News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Jonathan M. Lehr, Director of Training Synex, Inc. 5950 Symphony Woods Road Columbia, MD 20815 Phone: (410) 992-5131 email: jlehr@nextsrv1.andi.org NEW TRAINING COURSES FOR NeXTSTEP DEVELOPERS COLUMBIA, MD., April 14, 1993 - Synex, Inc. announced today that it has released two new training courses for NeXTSTEP developers: Objective C Programming, and AppKit Programming. The courses are designed to be taken as a series, but they can also be used as stand-alone modules. Each is five days long. These courses can be combined with existing Synex Unix and C training modules, such as ANSI C Programming and A Programmer's Introduction to UNIX, to form a more comprehensive training program. Both courses got high marks from initial customers Mobil Supply & Trading and Fannie Mae. Objective C Programming is a hands-on course that teaches programmers how to write applications that take full advantage of the Objective C programming language. Objective C is the primary language used in application development under NeXTSTEP, the operating system from NeXT, Inc. Priced at $12,500 for on-site delivery, Objective C Programming gives C programmers a thorough grounding in the significant features of Objective C and of Object-Oriented programming. During the course, students design a hierarchy of Classes (object definitions) to implement two different flat-file database applications. Hands-on lab exercises are emphasized. The course's step-by-step approach requires students to build objects and applications from the ground up. Full examples of working source code are included as solutions to the labs. AppKit Programming is a hands-on course that teaches programmers how to write applications that take full advantage of the Application Kit (AppKit), the Application Programming Interface to NeXTSTEP. Priced at $12,500 for on-site delivery, AppKit Programming gives Objective C programmers a thorough grounding in the significant features of the AppKit library. In a series of lab exercises, students implement a graphical user interface for one of the flat-file database applications developed in the earlier Objective C Programming course. The lecture portion of the course emphasizes use of the NeXTSTEP reference material and provides a clear understanding of details of many essential AppKit classes. During the last two days of the course, students re-implement the graphical user interface portion of their application using Interface Builder and Project Builder. The course includes coverage of file management, menus, windows, panels, buttons, forms, text, printing, and other essentials of NeXTSTEP programming. Company President Robert M. Conner said about the new offerings: " We see these courses as filling some gaps in the current offerings from NeXT and its NeXTEDGE partners. Our customers demanded this type of training, and we provided it for them. Now we want to make it available to the rest of the NeXT community. "We have a training philosophy here at Synex that sets us apart from many of our competitors. We've learned from years of experience that it takes a very thorough, step-by-step approach, with carefully orchestrated hands-on lab exercises, to maximize what programmers can get from a 5-day training program. "We build our courses based on transferring measurable skills to the students. The litmus test for a programmer's course is obvious: either they can or they can't program when the course is done. We believe we're batting 1.000 with these courses." About Synex Synex is a $17M systems integration firm, operating as a subchapter 8(a) corporation. Synex specializes in rightsizing, helping customers transition from mainframe and other proprietary systems to client/server systems based on Unix , C and accepted networking standards. Synex's training division is dedicated to technical training in the open systems environment, specializing in training programmers in Unix, C and NeXTSTEP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: NextStep486 and 486sx? Message-ID: <1993Apr13.191251.334@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) References: <1qbuj6INN83v@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 19:12:51 GMT In article <1qbuj6INN83v@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> bostrov@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Vareck Bostrom) writes: > In article <1993Apr7.201750.27221@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: > >In article <1993Apr3.170240.9040@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: > >>In article <1pghu8INNl6c@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> > >>bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes: > >>[...] > >>> I have heard that the DX/3 is about the same speed as P5 EMULATING a 486, > >>> anybody care to coment..... > >> > >>What you've heard is partly boulderdash. A Pentium runs about 40%-60% faster > >>than a 486 with the same clock frequency on common code (i.e. the famous > >>"millions of applications" we allegedly cannot live without). That > >>corresponds to roughly 35-40 SPECint92, not a very exciting figure. > >>Code that's compiled specifically for Pentium using pre-alpha intel-only > >>compilers that make use of non-disclosed information (Appendix H of the > >>Pentium documentation) gets up to 60 SPECint92, which isn't too fast either. > > I though some people would be interested in some benchmarks; > Here are some SPEC results I have handy: [useful SPEC chart deleted] > From what I am told, pentium is only 1.0 to 1.5 times faster than a > similiar clocked 486 when running 486 code. When running Pentium > (incompatiable with 486) code, you get about a 2.0x Integer and a 4.5x > FP performance boost. Again: Pentium machine code is identical to 486 code. However, in order to take advantage of the Pentium's pipelining and superscalarity, the code should be ordered differently to avoid stalls and pipeline bubbles. If this isn't done (read: with all existing applications and OSes) there is only a small performance gain over 486 at the same clock rate (some 50% max). If the code is ordered in the way the Pentium likes it, it can go faster (~2x 486 speed, faster on floating point). BUT, a 486 will still be able to correctly execute the code, and it will not run slower on this code than it would on traditionally ordered code. Since in the computing industry everything seems to drop to the absolutely lowest common denominator (which is why the NeXT keeps winning BIG), I wouldn't expect any Pentium-optimized OSes or applications anywhere in the near future ("f*** the X,000 Pentium-owners, we're going for the Y0,000,000 386 owners") -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
From: weigele@duitex1.pdmv.detecon.de (Martin Weigele) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted: low price or freeware OCR software to process faxes Date: 15 Apr 1993 08:30:34 +0200 Organization: Detecon GmbH - Projekt Digitaler Mobilfunk - Vermittlungstechnik Message-ID: <weigele.734855363@duitex1> The subject says it all. Maybe there is some gnu stuff around? Any hints much appreciated. Thanks, Martin -- Martin Weigele Detecon GmbH - Projekt Digitaler Mobilfunk, Oberkasseler Str. 2, W-5300 Bonn 3 Germany -- Tel. +49 228 936 1385, Fax +49 228 936 1306 - Detecon is a subsidiary of Deutsche Bundespost Telekom
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From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pencom Can Help With Drivers -- Sigh.... Date: 15 Apr 1993 02:06:03 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1qifub$j40@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Apr14.114549.22576@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> In article <1993Apr14.114549.22576@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes: >>Oh well, now that writing drivers has been productized by >>a third party, NeXT won't probably be releasing NS/Intel >>device driver sources, for which I made an open plea to NeXT >>about a month ago. Sigh.... > >Look at this way. If NeXT released the driver code between >now and May to everyone, then NeXT would be getting a bunch >of calls like. "I've got this figured out EXCEPT for this >one little piece". No, they won't be getting calls from bunch of small people, because small people don't call NeXT. At $250 per question or $5000 annually, not many people can call. The problem with the Pencomm deal is that the hardware manufacture has to be willing, and most are not willing at least at this time. But the people who really need the driver is not the manufacturer, it's the user of that hardware. Meanwhile, I want to use a PC card from a not-so-well-known company or rahter non-mass quantity card vendor, and only way I can reasonably do it is to write it myself. Well, I guess I have to bite and learn to do it with the DriverKit. I was hoping I could get a good start by seeing as bunch of real-life examples. Strength and hazard of PC world is that it is full of those obscure but great plug-in boards, and Pencomm is not going to make much of a dent in it for a long time to come if ever. I am disappointed, but this isn't the first time. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karl@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Subject: Re: NeXT's presence on the net Message-ID: <9304150142.AA07422@ensuing.com> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: Ensuing Technologies Inc. References: <1993Apr14.212023.10646@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 01:42:15 GMT In article <1993Apr14.212023.10646@cs.yale.edu> blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) writes: >John G Shirlaw writes >| >| I think it would be a nice idea to hear a little more from them. > Probably, because every time one of them tries to post the slightest word they get flamed to death for things they have little or no control over. Think about Conrad Geiger's post of the NeXT press release when NeXT closed down the HW section; which got him flamed for not responding to all the questions people were asking. Or think back to when Sam Streeper posted that he had uploaded some new lproj files for BackSpace, and was flamed for wasting his time when he should be working on fixing bugs in the appkit (He's in tech pubs, so he's not to blame for appkit problems) P.S. Conrad and Sam, in case you read this.... Thanks for everything you've done, you are both a great asset to the NeXT community! >THEY'RE BEATING >THEIR BRAINS OUT TRYING TO GET THE BEST POSSIBLE PRODUCT >OUT BY MAY 25. > >(I agree a technical presence would be nice, but I'd >rather have them working on, for example, .... > supporting non-AppKit > object in Initerface Builder). > Uh, what do you mean? You can have non-appkit objects on palettes, you can even have non-view objects on palettes. Or did you mean having a different Root Object Class in Interface Builder? -- __________ Karl Kraft karl@ensuing.com (NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Pencom Can Help With Drivers -- Sigh.... Message-ID: <1993Apr15.114106.11945@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Apr14.114549.22576@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> <1qifub$j40@agate.berkeley.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 11:41:06 GMT In article <1qifub$j40@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr14.114549.22576@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) >writes: > >>>Oh well, now that writing drivers has been productized by >>>a third party, NeXT won't probably be releasing NS/Intel >>>device driver sources, for which I made an open plea to NeXT >>>about a month ago. Sigh.... >> >>Look at this way. If NeXT released the driver code between >>now and May to everyone, then NeXT would be getting a bunch >>of calls like. "I've got this figured out EXCEPT for this >>one little piece". > >No, they won't be getting calls from bunch of small people, >because small people don't call NeXT. At $250 per question >or $5000 annually, not many people can call. You're right. There would be about 100 messages a day in this newsgroup flaming next for not documenting the Driver kit well enought, or for not having a number they could call to find out more about it. >The problem with the Pencomm deal is that the hardware >manufacture has to be willing, and most are not willing >at least at this time. But the people who really need the >driver is not the manufacturer, it's the user of that >hardware. You don't really know who is willing/ wants to get a drive for NS/FIP. Yes some companies will wait and see. Most small companies will want to hold out for a while. But, how many users are really going to want to write a driver for their new video board. Not very many. And, how many people are going to want to base their buisness on some driver they got off the net written by some student. Not very many. That said, I think you are confusing intent with timing. At this time, NeXT doesn't have the bandwidth to get the driver stuff set up the way you want. I would imagine that after the release, you will get enough informationi to do what you want. >Meanwhile, I want to use a PC card from a not-so-well-known company or >rahter non-mass quantity card vendor, and only way I can reasonably do >it is to write it myself. Well, I guess I have to bite and learn to do >it with the DriverKit. I was hoping I could get a good start by seeing >as bunch of real-life examples. This will probably happen. The goal is to impact as many people as possible as soon as possible. Pencom will make that happen. Heck, there may not be a "bunch of great examples" written yet. I would imagine a new driver architecture means some experimentation is going on. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
From: rs05@gte.com (Russ Sasnett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: printing from Mac to NeXT Message-ID: <10011@ceylon.gte.com> Date: 15 Apr 93 15:59:18 GMT Sender: news@ceylon.gte.com Followup-To: rs05@gte.com Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA how can I print transparently from a Mac to a NeXT, such that the NeXT shows up in the Mac's Chooser panel? the Mac is an SE/30 with an Ethernet card. I understand uShare will work, but it requires their other software which lets the NeXT serve files to a Mac. the combined price is about $495. I thought I saw something cheaper that just did printing, but now I can't find it. --Russ rs05@gte.com
From: COSC18QM@jetson.uh.edu (93S06842) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: .address file format Date: 15 Apr 1993 16:31:51 GMT Organization: University of Houston, Houston, Texas. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qk2lo$9va@menudo.uh.edu> Could someone point me in the right directions to find out the format of the address files in ~/Library/Addresses? I would like to be able to read and modify these files from an external program. I could not find anything in the documentation. Thanks for any help Tom Tschetter P.S. You can reply to this account or mail me at tsch@digicon-hou.com (the prefered)
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: printing from Mac to NeXT Date: 15 Apr 1993 17:39:16 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <1qk6k4$qpt@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <10011@ceylon.gte.com> In article <10011@ceylon.gte.com> rs05@gte.com (Russ Sasnett) writes: >how can I print transparently from a Mac >to a NeXT, such that the NeXT shows up in >the Mac's Chooser panel? > [...] >I understand uShare will work, but it requires >their other software which lets the NeXT serve >files to a Mac. the combined price is about $495. > Can't you buy uPrint instead of the uShare package? If you want transparent printing from Mac to NeXT via the Chooser, you're pretty much sol. On the other hand, if you have access to an Appletalk router like a FastPath you can get CAP. Although those cost bucks anyway. Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MS20BJ Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Core Application Technologies 1(415)857-3230 Fax 1(415)852-8026
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Pencom Can Help With Drivers -- Sigh.... Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1qghkm$2bm@agate.berkeley.edu> <1qgjmhINNniu@liszt.dra.hmg.gb> <1993Apr14.115045.22727@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 10:57:11 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Apr15.105711.2850@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Apr14.115045.22727@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes: >In article <1qgjmhINNniu@liszt.dra.hmg.gb> heading@signal.dra.hmg.gb (Anthony J.R. Heading) writes: >>As long as the damn things get written, I suppose that's all that >>all that matters... >> >>I get the impression NeXT don't pay much attention to this >>newsgroup - Sun and DEC groups are full of official >>surveys, questionaires and responses, but not NeXT. >>If this is true, there's not much hope of them listening >>to the sensible grass-roots suggestion about making >>driver code public... > >Thats not true. There are a lot of people inside NeXT that >read the net. They don't reply. > Why don't they reply? Dave Griffiths
From: cph@grover.stat.washington.edu (Chisheng Huang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted: A used NeXT laser printer Message-ID: <1qk707INNc52@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: 15 Apr 93 17:45:43 GMT Article-I.D.: shelley.1qk707INNc52 Distribution: usa Organization: Univ of Wash , Stat Dept. Originator: cph@belgica.stat.washington.edu I would like to buy a used NeXT laser printer (in working condition, of course :-). So if you have or know one for sale, please let me know. Thanks. Chisheng Huang cph@belgica.stat.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Pencom Can Help With Drivers -- Sigh.... Message-ID: <1993Apr15.201711.20335@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1qgjmhINNniu@liszt.dra.hmg.gb> <1993Apr14.115045.22727@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> <1993Apr15.105711.2850@prim> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:17:11 GMT In article <1993Apr15.105711.2850@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.115045.22727@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes: >>In article <1qgjmhINNniu@liszt.dra.hmg.gb> heading@signal.dra.hmg.gb (Anthony J.R. Heading) writes: >>>As long as the damn things get written, I suppose that's all that >>>all that matters... >>> >>>I get the impression NeXT don't pay much attention to this >>>newsgroup - Sun and DEC groups are full of official >>>surveys, questionaires and responses, but not NeXT. >>>If this is true, there's not much hope of them listening >>>to the sensible grass-roots suggestion about making >>>driver code public... >> >>Thats not true. There are a lot of people inside NeXT that >>read the net. They don't reply. >> > >Why don't they reply? There are probably a few reasons. 1) Posting to the net leads to being flamed about stuff you have nothing to do with. 2) NeXT would rather have them working on getting the release out the door. 3) Most companies don't like employees to respond in public forums. People can mistake those comments for company policy. Its just that larger companies have trouble enforcing those kinds of rules. NeXT does not. 1 -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: brownwd@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (William Brown) Subject: Sound programs Message-ID: <C5JK1H.1FG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:10:28 GMT Is there a program on the NeXT systems that can play .mod (pc) sounds? The only one my system has is compatable with .snd. I'm not very well informed about the NeXT systems....YET! Thanks in advance!
Control: cancel <C5JLKo.BG2@world.std.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: cmsg cancel <C5JLKo.BG2@world.std.com> Message-ID: <C5JLvD.CF0@world.std.com> Sender: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <1993Apr14.115045.22727@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> <1993Apr15.105711.2850@prim> <C5JLKo.BG2@world.std.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:50:00 GMT <C5JLKo.BG2@world.std.com> was cancelled from within rn. -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Re: 3.0 Tech Docs? Message-ID: <1993Apr15.195036.16585@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 References: <0096B023.53EF22DA@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Distribution: na,local Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 19:50:36 GMT In <0096B023.53EF22DA@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU writes: >I've been holding off buying the NeXT 3.0 technical docs until the 7th >volume has been published. The 7th volume was on NeXT's version of >Objective-C. I like to know if that last volume has (finally) been >published or, if not, when it is like to appear on bookshelves. >Thanks >Don McCollam >citdem@happy.rc.arizona.edu The latest word from Addison-Wesley is that the book will be released on May 24. However, it is the eighth book in the set, not the seventh. Seven are already shipping. If anyone is still interested, I am still offering complete sets of 8 volumes for $224.06 including delivery in the U.S. This is approximately a 20% savings. Payment is by check in advance, or Visa or MasterCard charge. Orders must be by e-mail (preferred) or fax (unless you are sending a check), and should include, in addition to your name, address, and credit card information, your most reliable e-mail address and phone and (if available) fax numbers. Please double-check both your card number and your address. We have had several unfortunate errors, among the 200 or so sets we have sold. Regards, - Irving -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info. packet free. Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
From: kwei@titan.ucs.umass.edu (William Wei) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: how to install Sybase server? Date: 15 Apr 1993 17:48:50 -0400 Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1qkl82INN7ht@titan.ucs.umass.edu> Is there a doc. or instruction somewhere? Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: edmtl@taxus.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: Faxes won't archive - why? Message-ID: <1993Apr15.224605.13434@alf.uib.no> Sender: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 22:46:05 GMT OS 3.0, NXFax 1.02, ZyXEL U1496E with latest rom version. I have installed NXFax repeatedly, and have spoken to B&W, but they don't know what will fix this problem - apparently it is NeXTstep or Faxreader which isn't doing its job. I have set up for archiving on /clients partition, but using the root partition doesn't work either. Has anyone else seen/fixed this behaviour? Please E-MAIL replies. Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) Subject: OPN Recap - Part One. Message-ID: <1993Apr15.235959.16208@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 23:59:59 GMT Open Protocols for NEXTSTEP (OPN) is a not-for-profit, all-volunteer association of providers and users of object technology, working to advance interoperability between object-oriented products in the NEXTSTEP environment. The charter of OPN is to establish standard, implementation-independent protocols for communication between objects conformant to the NEXTSTEP Object Model. OPN has been warmly supported by the NEXTSTEP community. Collaborators in the ongoing mailing list discussion include ANDI, NeXT, ISVs, corporate developers, ObjectWare vendors, systems integrators, and end users. Quite a few issues and ideas have emerged over the past month: o OPN will be hosting a "Birds-of-a-Feather" session at NeXTworld Expo to introduce itself to the rest of the NEXTSTEP community, seeking its opinions and support. o It is the general mood of the group, although this has certainly not been finalized, that the standards for interobject communication will be based on the Objective-C Protocol objects introduced in NEXTSTEP 3.0. However, the group seeks interoperability with other object systems from the OMG, Lotus, Microsoft, IBM, and Apple, and may seek to establish protocols through other means, via an ASCII-based interface, for example. o The mailing list members would like to provide a means for end users, not just professional developers, to access, mix, and match the object modules developed. o It is the general mood that OPN will not emulate the Free Software Foundation, developing free-yet-restricted objects, but that it will rather concentrate on bringing the NEXTSTEP community together to support open standards with various, commercially-available implementations. OPN may embark in a protocol-compliance-certification process, though, to maintain the credibility of the standards developed. o OPN will attempt to normalize and standardize existing proprietary object implementations, in an order according to the priorities of the NEXTSTEP community. o We have not resolved what OPN's relationship to ANDI is. OPN is still groping for a formal structure, but seeks to emulate the OSF process where any and all interested parties can contribute with ideas to a standards effort, but that only members can vote on what the standard will ultimately look like. It is important to OPN that no one sector dominate the process: vendors and users will balance their interests within a common forum hosted by OPN. Part Two includes some of the actual quotes from the mailing list discussion, in case you wish to review them. The mailing list is: OPN@vega.stanford.edu To get added to the mailing list, send me mail at: shiva@vega.stanford.edu Thanks for your support. -Marcos J. Polanco -The Research Libraries Group -shiva@vega.stanford.edu -415-691-2255 (voice) -415-964-0943 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) Subject: OPN Recap - Part Two Message-ID: <1993Apr16.000150.16337@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 00:01:50 GMT Open Protocols for NEXTSTEP (OPN) is a not-for-profit, all-volunteer association of providers and users of object technology, working to advance interoperability between object-oriented products in the NEXTSTEP environment. The charter of OPN is to establish standard, implementation-independent protocols for communication between objects conformant to the NEXTSTEP Object Model. OPN has been warmly supported by the NEXTSTEP community. Collaborators in the ongoing mailing list discussion include ANDI, NeXT, ISVs, corporate developers, ObjectWare vendors, and end users. Following are some of the opinions aired in the mailing list: ************************************************************************** Dave Cline, 88Open: standards generally end up being political documents far more so than technical documents. The real keys seem to be: a) getting a few high energy technical people involved who don't set everyone's teeth on edge. It's not sufficient that the experts be right most of the time, they have to be diplomatic enough that those whose ideas aren't accepted aren't encouraged to drop out of the process. b) finding a technical editor who can read and edit technical English c) finding a chair that can run a meeting. Teaching a room full of first graders might be good experience. ************************************************************************** Luis Arias, Elysia: I believe that the driving force behind this must surely emphasize customer participation. There is probably a cycle involving analysis, design, realization and finally abstraction for reuse that we should take advantage of. That is, that when customers who have experimented and written different modules that merit normalisation get around to investing in the reusability aspects of what they have done, these customers should have access and interest in submitting their proposals to OPN for analysis, review and discussion. Of course, I realize that this way to get things done may seem to start off at the wrong end, but it does have the advantage that it takes off from a certain reality that exists can be modified, tested, evaluated etc... ************************************************************************** Alan Atlas, Sarrus: The OSF model for ... is that the membership of the organization somehow votes or otherwise voices its opinion on what the priorities are. That is why Motif was the first thing out of OSF -- the membership said that that was their biggest issue at the time. A pillar of the OSF process is that technology submissions are open to anybody, but voting on acceptance is a right of the members only. That makes sense to me, at least, of not everybody else. The idea of normalizing existing stuff is exactly right. The only difference in approach that I would recommend would be to define needs based on technology or application areas first, then to solicit or merely accept submissions in those (or that -- one at a time can be plenty) areas only. That will prevent a hodgepodge of partial packages that do not fill a complete need from developing. Incompleteness will hinder acceptance and use, and that is what this is all about. ************************************************************************** IDC White paper on standards (March 29 issue of Computerworld): One way to view the standards movement is via what IDC refers to as the "Simple Standards Wheel." There are four stops, or phases, on the wheel: standards bodies, revenue, product with extensions, and technical consolidation. In following the course prescribed by the Simple Standards Wheel, industry standards lead to the development of revenue products, which are enhanced with market-driven extensions. As these extensions are more widely accepted, they are incorporated into new standardized products [ the technical consolidation phase]. The cycle then begins anew... At first glance, it seems like the common technical integration problem faced by vendors and IS executives would yield common and compatible solutions. It can, but only if the vendors do not corrupt the process. Vendors face two powerful temptations: extending the revenue cycle as long as possible to recover investment costs, or reducing engineering costs by eliminating the technical consolidation phase. ************************************************************************** Marcos J. Polanco, The Research Libraries Group: What should be the focus of the [BOF] meeting? Kate [Smith] and I are playing with the concept of a "kickoff" meeting, where we can expose the community to what it is we are trying to do, how we are trying to do it, and how we are thinking of structuring ourselves. We can field questions from vendors and users, take suggestions, and provide some avenues for them to get involved through special interest groups on specific protocols (group & user management, compression engines, calendaring). Is this what you had in mind? ************************************************************************** Alan Atlas, Sarrus: Why are we different from ANDI, for instance? How will we avoid technical stagnation? Where will money come from? Will we be an engineering organization? If not, who will integrate, test, release, maintain, and support the standard products? Will we be for profit? Etc ************************************************************************** William Adams, Adamation: I guess one question I would have for this group is what the scope will be in terms of platforms we are trying to interact with. I know that this is a NeXTSTEP driven community, but the world out there consists of more than just NeXTSTEP machines and will continue to be so for a very long time. Do we want to come up with general standards that work across multiple OSs or are we looking solely for NeXTSTEP interaction. ************************************************************************** Bill Strehl, ANDI: ANDI would like to have the support of those members of the OPN mailing list to establish a channel for the Object market. What we have been trying to focus on is breaking down the object market to manageable sub-groups. This means industry specific groups like publishing, financial, medical, as well as programming areas such as User Interefaces, etc. We have been designing a system similar to the Apple program to resell objects and generate revenue for the developer and for grants to develop objects. I am trying to get things wrapped up for our technology pavillion at NeXTWORLD and will have time to define some of our ideas in more detail next week. ************************************************************************** Joe Grace, Tetrasoft: The one thing that I find irksome about the current approaches to so-called "free" software is the narrow licensing agreements. On the one hand, GNU takes an anti-commercial stance by making commercial embedding of their software prohibitively expensive. And on the other hand, commercial standards organizations (OSF) make their software available principally (only?) through costly "membership"s. (I may be mis-characterizing OSF, but their software doesn't seem as readily available as that of FSF.) For this reason, I've tried to come up with an all-inclusive approach to the next "wave" of free software --- that of object and protocol-based solutions: [the] FOF (Free Object Foundation) and the GNO (GNO is Not Onerous :-) License. What I envision is an FOF (or OPN?) along the lines of FSF but with an all-inclusive software license, the GNO license. The "best" idea I've come up with for the GNO license follows: reuse software to your hearts content register any published use of the s/w provide all enhancements freely and readily to FOF upon request ***Big Difference: violation requires eliminating all GNO code for 2(?) years throughout organization (as opposed to GPL's "free"ing of all linked in software) I envision the role of FOF principally as a librarian for the Object Software community. This role includes both prividing a repository for GNO software and also providing object software services, e.g., maintaining a list of all available objects (commercial, copyleft, PD, *all*!), tools and standards, and orchestrating efforts at new object/protocol/tool development. In some sense, the *ideal* FOF would be a central clearing-house for object developers to browse and find out what's available --- and would also provide its own objects available "free"ly (GNO license restrictions apply) and readily. ************************************************************************** William Adams, Adamation: One thing we want to think about (at least I do) is dividing the mechanism from the language. Speaker/Listener, Remote Objects, RPC, TCP/IP, and the like are all mechanisms. They are simply pathways that get data from one place to another. They do not define a programmability language upon which an "END USER" can do any sort of useful "programming". The problem I have with many of the "Interapplication standards" is that they only hit the traditional "programmer" end of the end-user spectrum. I would hate to come up with a standard for adding information to a scheduling server say, that is only useable by someone who has an Objective-C compiler and can write some distributed object code to interface to it. Although that may be one of the interfaces, it should not be the only one, and as far as end-users are concerned there should be a more generic interface that can be accessed through the use of a more standard "language" like BASIC or something. Laugh if you must, but Visual BASIC has proved that end-users aren't as dumb as we think they are and are willing and wanting to use this type of interface. ************************************************************************** Alan Atlas, Sarrus: This is what the process [for defining a standards] looks like: 1. Identify the need. 2. Ratify that it is a need for a large audience that will use the software (otherwise why bother?) to address a problem that already exists. 3. Establish a specification for behavior of the software that will meet the needs of the audience. 4. Find an example implementation of the software. (Note: 3 and 4 often are one big step). 5. Take it out of the proprietary and competitive domain -- i.e., get it to somebody who will turn it into a standard implementation for everybody and will not be competing with them. 6. Implement the software or integrate new aspects of the spec into the acquired example software. 7. Release it to the people that will incorporate it into their own products. Then start on the maintenance and improvement cycle. At the same time, somewhere around step 5 or 6, when the specification is proven correct by the implementation's existence and usefulness, 6a. publish the specification. 7a. Encourage alternate implementations against the spec. 8a. Cause a certification test to be created and made available so that alternate implementations can be proven correct and branded. 9 - 163. Publicize, evangelize, and sell, sell, sell. At the end, there is a standard that provides a way for software from different companies to interoperate. There is a spec. there is a way to develop and build conformant software that can take advantage of other software that is out there. Money will be made. Software will be built. But only if the standard is accepted and used. Only if users know about it. Only if it works. ************************************************************************** William Adams, Adamation: UNIX is the perfect example where you are supposed to create lots of little utilities and string them together. There the container or framework is supposed to be the shell (KORN, csh, bourne or otherwise) and the glue is pipes, re-directs, scripts and the like. Well, I guess I am an advocate of going backward (at least in spirit) in order to move forward. Besides, thinking in [Object Protocols] is more in line with where NeXT is trying to lead us with Distributed Objects anyway. Notice the tremendous use of Protocols in the 3.0 OS.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Re: .address file format References: <1qk2lo$9va@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 01:30:00 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Apr16.013000.2519@tkymail.sps.mot.com> 93S06842 writes Could someone point me in the right directions to find out the format of the address files in ~/Library/Addresses? I would like to be able to read and modify these files from an external program. I could not find anything in the documentation. Open up the .addresses bundle, and you can directly the inner text file. It, unlike so much else in this NeXT life, exhibits exemplary self-documentation. It would be great to have this format made extensible, but I guess that's the point of the rumored 4.0 NS release. Michael
From: yuqian@bvc.edu (Suicidal Freshman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help!!! NeXT Music Message-ID: <1993Apr15.223557.4499@bvc.edu> Date: 15 Apr 93 22:35:57 CST Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA Could someone give me a hint of where to get musics for NeXT computer (.snd or .score extension). Ftp site preferred. Thanks SF bvc -- ****************************************************************************** * "I didn't think I ate that much!" * * -- Ding Chavez * *----------------------------------------------------------------------------* * yuqian.bvc.edu the Suicidal Freshman * ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: johnfa@lachman.com (John Fanelli) Subject: Using NeXT 400 dpi printer with a mac? Message-ID: <1993Apr15.124949.3787@i88.isc.com> Keywords: next, mac, printer Sender: usenet@i88.isc.com (Usenet News) Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 12:49:49 GMT Hi, I have a question about printing. I looked in the printing FAQ, and couldn't find an answer. I have a NeXTstation Turbo and NeXT 400 DPI priner on my desk, but I also have an Apple Powerbook 145 that I use when I travel. Is there any way that I can make my Mac use the NeXT printer?? Over the net would be the preferable way, but I'm not quite sure that that is possible. I suppose this question really belongs in a Mac newsgroup, but I though that I'd ask anyway. thanks, john fanelli johnfa@i88.isc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Using NeXT 400 dpi printer with a mac? Message-ID: <C5KDzK.Jv1@utstat.toronto.edu> Keywords: next, mac, printer Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Apr15.124949.3787@i88.isc.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 06:57:20 GMT In article <1993Apr15.124949.3787@i88.isc.com> johnfa@lachman.com writes: >Hi, > I have a question about printing. I looked in the printing FAQ, and >couldn't find an answer. > I have a NeXTstation Turbo and NeXT 400 DPI priner on my desk, but I >also have an Apple Powerbook 145 that I use when I travel. Is there any way >that I can make my Mac use the NeXT printer?? Over the net would be the >preferable way, but I'm not quite sure that that is possible. Get an Ethertalk to SCSI connection from one of several vendors (see MacWeek). Then phone IPT and get uShare/uPrint. That will more than solve your "problem". [ ] -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Very small HSD flame Date: 16 Apr 1993 09:07:30 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qlt0iINNmcc@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Hi folks! the following is a small flame about HSD. Gee, am I complaining or what? I order a copy of OCR Servant on sale for a whopping 99 bucks. It was a great deal at some absolutely incredible disocount. A week later I get a bill for 99 bucks plus 5 bucks shipping. Pretty fair huh? One problem: I got the invoice, but no product. After a conversation with the wonderful people at HSD (no sarcasm), they mentioned that they ship the product and the bill separately! (The product arrived by Canada Post the next day.) Small flame: Isn't it kinda strange that they ship both of them separately? Doesn't it cause a lot of people (me included) to phone them and inquire about the status of the product? BTW: The software has a non-transferrable license for those who care about those things. RWW. -- Robert W. "What!?! I've-been-tying-my-shoelaces-backwards-all-my-life?" Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PC-Vendor postscript pressreleases on Sonata Date: 16 Apr 1993 09:52:22 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qls46$395@steffi.demon.co.uk> This is directed to whoever uploaded the PC-Vendor postscript press releases on sonata I have the following files. -rw-r--r-- 1 robert 14037 Apr 16 07:32 Comnetix_NEXTSTEP.ps (****) -rw-r--r-- 1 robert 15112 Apr 16 07:33 Dell_NEXTSTEP.ps (****) -rw-r--r-- 1 robert 12396 Apr 16 07:33 Epson_NEXTSTEP.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 robert 12839 Apr 16 07:36 IngramMicro_NEXTSTEP.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 robert 13538 Apr 16 07:37 NEC_NEXTSTEP.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 robert 12695 Apr 16 07:38 PanCanadian_NEXTSTEP.ps -rw-r--r-- 1 robert 10943 Apr 16 07:38 Trident_NEXTSTEP.ps (****) = Nackered , won't preview in preview.app -- "May I take your order now" "Yeah, sure I'll have one big mac, hold the onions" "You want fries with that?" "No thanks" (One computing honors grad to another)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Marginally useful suggestion for Workspace Manager Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 08:44:36 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Apr16.084436.4462@tkymail.sps.mot.com> This might be a dumb suggestion for NeXT, Inc. to include in NEXTSTEP 3.1, maybe not. ("Read, but post no evil," right?) In Workspace Manager, under the "File" menu maybe there should be a "Link..." submenu which allows you to link the currently highlighted file to an as-yet unnamed file via a "Save" panel, with an accompanying Preferences setting for hard or soft (default soft) l ink. One more small detail that might bring a few more of the great unwashed closer to the true shining path... --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]ying Preferences setting for hard or soft (default soft) l
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rcattig@gagme.chi.il.us (Craig Attig) Subject: where on archives: perl? Message-ID: <1993Apr16.045406.6942@gagme.chi.il.us> Originator: rcattig@gagme Sender: rcattig@gagme.chi.il.usa Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois. Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:54:06 GMT I don't currently have a live link to InternNet, and the archie server I've been sending mail to isn't responding. Where can I get perl? Is there already a NeXT version on the Purdue archive?
From: steve@estel.uindy.edu (Steve Spicklemire) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Using NeXT 400 dpi printer with a mac? Date: 16 Apr 1993 12:38:56 GMT Organization: Truevision Inc., Indianapolis, IN Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qm9d0INNrud@epic.truevision.com> References: <C5KDzK.Jv1@utstat.toronto.edu> In article <C5KDzK.Jv1@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > > Get an Ethertalk to SCSI connection from one of several vendors (see > MacWeek). Then phone IPT and get uShare/uPrint. That will more than > solve your "problem". > > Philip McDunnough O.K. I tried this in c.s.n.software with no luck... but it's come up again! Does anyone have a reliable e-mail/phone number I can use the get the folks at IPT? I tried geneg@ipt.com but the message bounced :-(. thanks! -steve --------------------------< cut here >---------------------------- Steve Spicklemire steve@estel.uindy.edu Dept of Physics and Earth-Space Science NeXTmail Welcome! 1400 East Hanna Avenue, 46227
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Very small HSD flame Date: 16 Apr 1993 11:00:35 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qmhmjINN9tq@systemix.com> References: <1qlt0iINNmcc@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> In article <1qlt0iINNmcc@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) writes: >Hi folks! the following is a small flame about HSD. > ... >huh? One problem: I got the invoice, but no product. After a conversation >with the wonderful people at HSD (no sarcasm), they mentioned that they >ship the product and the bill separately! (The product arrived by Canada Post >the next day.) > >Small flame: Isn't it kinda strange that they ship both of them separately? >Doesn't it cause a lot of people (me included) to phone them and inquire >about the status of the product? No, it's not strange at all. Many companies have accounting departments located at seperate geographic locations. Therefore, there are often different "Bill To" and "Ship To" addresses. As a matter of habit, most companies send a seperate bill regardless of whether the addresses are the same. The big question is: So what if you got the bill a day earlier than the package ? Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jdeclari@troosevelt.is.rpslmc.edu (John William DeClaris) Subject: Re: Anybody got NewsGrazer compiled for NS/Intel? Message-ID: <1993Apr15.161116.6263@rpslmc.edu> Sender: news@rpslmc.edu Organization: Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center References: <1993Apr14.071714.12417@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 16:11:16 GMT In article <1993Apr14.071714.12417@netcom.com> gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) writes: > Moving over from my Sparc to a new Gateway Intel system running NeXTSTEP. We're > running beta now, but I'd like to get NewsGrazer going on it to reduce my > dependancy to the Sun to Lucid Emacs under X windows... > -- > >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! > >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20 --We at RUSH are also running NS486 beta. I would go as afr as to ask if anyone knows of software compiled for NS486 that is either beta, or public domain, could you please post its address and what it is? Thanks. John-William DeClaris *********************************************************************** John-William DeClaris The views expressed are not necessarily shared by RUSH or other employees. All comments and views expressed are solely those of this auther. Remember...nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently
From: template@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Template Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Wanted. yep.. NS/Intel expo deal. Date: 16 Apr 1993 16:58:52 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1qmokcINN809@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <23168@mindlink.bc.ca> In article <23168@mindlink.bc.ca> Ian_Upright@mindlink.bc.ca (Ian Upright) writes: > Any 040 NeXT users who want to go to the expo and don't want the > Intel version? You've got a taker here. The going rate seems to > be $450. Anybody? > > Ian. I am interested as well... Jim Hendry (hendryjl@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Message-ID: <93Apr16.171604.33841@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 17:16:04 GMT Distribution: na References: <1pvb0fINNg8o@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Apr7.201624.15577@wam.umd.edu> <messinaC54vFH.Btx@netcom.com> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > When are those guys going to get a clue from Microsoft? You > don't make money on developers - they make money for you! I > hope Steve Jobs wakes up in time before his NeXTSTEP goes the > same way as NeXT did. I would be VERY surprised if NeXT didn't have a lower-cost development package available for small developers. The ~$1995 price (which, by the way, doesn't include the OS, you also need the $795 user version) is targetted at corporate developers. I'd expect to see NeXT's registered developer's program revamped to provide a few copies at reduced cost. Time will tell, though, it's just that NeXT employees I've talked to all agree on this point and hint at something being in the works. NeXT knows how important the little guys are, it just takes time for them to come up with an appropriate strategy. -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Marginally useful suggestion for Workspace Manager Message-ID: <66581@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 16 Apr 93 17:36:16 GMT References: <1993Apr16.084436.4462@tkymail.sps.mot.com> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) writes: > In Workspace Manager, under the "File" menu maybe there should be a "Link..." > submenu which allows you to link the currently highlighted file to an > as-yet unnamed file via a "Save" panel, with an accompanying > Preferences setting for hard or soft (default soft) l > ink. nice idea, but you can already do some of this. if you press control while dragging a file and drop it in another folder, it creates a soft link. this works just as copy and move, you get either copy,move or link depending on whether control, command or nothing is pressed. you can tell which by the cursor. unfortunately, it doesnt work with hard links as far as I know. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: strobel@hermes.phys.washington.edu (Nicolas Strobel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: getting unmountable optical to mount Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,uw.next Date: 16 Apr 93 17:33:17 GMT Organization: University of Washington Distribution: na Message-ID: <strobel.734981597@hermes> Summary: use disk command to write EVERY bitmap Keywords: optical mount super-block I was having trouble with an optical disk that had a bad super-block at blk 8. This block is needed to mount the optical. All attempts at using fsck with alternate super-blocks could not repair that block 8. I was getting error messages about bad bitmaps, so I tried to change the bitmap at block 8 using /usr/etc/disk. What I needed to do was to change ALL the bitmaps on ALL the sectors, not just the sector where the super-block 8 is at. Once I did that, fsck was able to write to the super-block 8 and I was able to recover most of my files. Another way that was suggested by some helpful people (THANKS!) was to make a raw copy of the optical disk onto another optical using the dd and running fsck on the other optical. I did not have to do that. Thanks for your help! Nick Strobel strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu
From: strobel@hermes.phys.washington.edu (Nicolas Strobel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: getting unmountable optical to mount Summary: use disk command to write EVERY bitmap Keywords: optical mount super-block Message-ID: <strobel.734982141@hermes> Date: 16 Apr 93 17:42:21 GMT Article-I.D.: hermes.strobel.734982141 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,uw.next Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington I was having trouble with an optical disk that had a bad super-block at blk 8. This block is needed to mount the optical. All attempts at using fsck with alternate super-blocks could not repair that block 8. I was getting error messages about bad bitmaps, so I tried to change the bitmap at block 8 using /usr/etc/disk. What I needed to do was to change ALL the bitmaps on ALL the sectors, not just the sector where the super-block 8 is at. Once I did that, fsck was able to write to the super-block 8 and I was able to recover most of my files. Another way that was suggested by some helpful people (THANKS!) was to make a raw copy of the optical disk onto another optical using the dd and running fsck on the other optical. I did not have to do that. Thanks for your help! Nick Strobel strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: sircomp@bcarh289.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) Subject: Re: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Message-ID: <1993Apr16.182631.29034@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. References: <1993Apr7.201624.15577@wam.umd.edu> <messinaC54vFH.Btx@netcom.com> <93Apr16.171604.33841@acs.ucalgary.ca> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 18:26:31 GMT In article <93Apr16.171604.33841@acs.ucalgary.ca> bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes: >> When are those guys going to get a clue from Microsoft? You >> don't make money on developers - they make money for you! I >> hope Steve Jobs wakes up in time before his NeXTSTEP goes the >> same way as NeXT did. > >I would be VERY surprised if NeXT didn't have a lower-cost >development package available for small developers. The ~$1995 >price (which, by the way, doesn't include the OS, you also need >the $795 user version) is targetted at corporate developers. > >I'd expect to see NeXT's registered developer's program revamped >to provide a few copies at reduced cost. Time will tell, though, >it's just that NeXT employees I've talked to all agree on this >point and hint at something being in the works. > >NeXT knows how important the little guys are, it just takes time >for them to come up with an appropriate strategy. Or how about NeXT offering the developers version for free/extremely cheap when you go to NeXT Dev camp? Or is there a Dev camp even anymore? later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill aka sircomp@bnr.ca = | = $20 says that Big Bird can 1971 Super Beetle: 5 years of = | = take Barney the Dinosaur. work and worth every minute! = | =
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Cross compiling to the 486 Message-ID: <9304161903.AA26311@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 19:03:06 GMT Previously : >> In article <1993Apr6.051105.16419@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> (slugg >> jello) writes: > Anybody know whether with NeXTSTEP 3.1 we'll be >> able to use our Motorola NeXT > hardware to cross-compile for the >> 486 NeXTSTEP environment? > > Thanks. > -- > Doug Kent > Mouthing >> Flowers, Inc. > slugg@mouthers.wa.com >> >> --I am doubtful that itt will. We have both NexTStep and NS/FIP. We >> have all this great great software for the Next, and we can not use >> it for NS/FIP. I understand that it is because they are two >> different platforms, so I think that they will not cross compile. >> *********************************************************************** Not being a programmer I am loathe to speak up on this matter, but I heard Jobs at a recent BaNG meeting, and but I believe the last statement is mistaken. If I understood Jobs correctly, under 3.1 (NS/I _or_ NS/M) the compiler generates a fat binary. This binary runs on either machine. He said that platform-specific code adds about 100K to app size, i.e. the one Mb app for NS/M is actually 1.1 Mb and runs on both Intel and Motorola machines. Certainly, compiling under 3.0 won't make a NS/I-compatible app. Under 3.1, I'm _certain_ it will. This is an important point. ------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Osborne Plant Gene Expression Center bosborne@insect.berkeley.edu Albany CA USA ------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: How? (WP for NeXT file with graphics to PC WP 5.1.) Message-ID: <1993Apr16.183942.18612@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 18:39:42 GMT I was under the impression that if I make a document with WP for NeXT with embedded graphics I can trasfer that to a PC that runs Wp 5.1. Nope. The picture is there, but an error is given (cannot find next.prs) and the picture is empty. I also saved the picture as both tiff and eps. And if I try to read either one into DrawPerfect I get: tiff: format error eps: it is read OK but the picture shows the name of the file instead of its contents. Now, I am at a loss. I desperately need by monday to have this picture (which is in .draw format and can be saved to either tiff or eps by Draw.app) inside the document on the PC. Thanks, --Gerben -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: guest@pion.lanl.gov (T8 Guests) Subject: autoCompact in Mail.app 3.0 ? Message-ID: <1993Apr16.195318.7773@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 19:53:18 GMT Is there a way to get 3.0 Mail.app to automatically compact mailboxes? strings /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail shows a variable autoCompact (along with autoFetch, autoLaunch, autoIndent, KeyBindings, etc.), but dwrite Mail autoCompact YES has no effect. if this is not yet implemented in Mail.app, do any of the add-on Mail.app utilities available on archives allow for auto-compacting all accessed mbox's on quitting Mail.app ?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ryne@beta.lanl.gov (Robert Ryne) Subject: printing several PostScript plots on a page Message-ID: <1993Apr16.200633.10191@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: Robert Ryne Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 20:06:33 GMT I have several PostScript plots (generated using gunplot) that I will like to print 4-up on a page. Does anyone know a simple way to do this? On a related topic, where can I find the program psnup? Robert Ryne
From: neubert@cup.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: The mother of all hardware announcements... Message-ID: <1993Apr16.155209.263@cup.edu> Date: 16 Apr 93 20:52:09 GMT References: <1993Apr4.172620.11877@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <FISCHER.93Apr5233741@thor.iesd.auc.dk> <1993Apr9.172441.11270@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Organization: California University of Pennsylvania, California, PA In article <1993Apr9.172441.11270@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > In article <FISCHER.93Apr5233741@thor.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes: >> >>>>>>> "Darcy" == Darcy BROCKBANK (samurai@cs.mcgill.ca) >> >>Darcy> Comment? We never thought NeXT would do it either, >> >>And so? You can't compare the two. 2 in 5 UNIX workstations shipped >>are Sun's. They are selling hardware for > $1 billion/quarter. > > I'm not advocating what they apparently plan to do with my > posting, I'm just echoing the news. > >>Darcy> but why buy a SPARC when you can get more options, similar >>Darcy> performance, and way more software on a PC? >> >>Because you can't. > > Because you *will* be able to. A Pentium will outperform > pretty much anything except the SPARC-10. When Intel Ah, but how many P-based *systems* are shipping *now*? > moves to the 100MHz generation, then the SPARC-10 will > be eclipsed. Uh...aren't we talking about *moving* targets here? Sun, like DEC, has announced plans for future generations of their chip architectures. HP, IBM, MIPS (SGI), AT&T, etc, do not stagnate while Intel tries to catch up. Plus, the SS10 is already SMP right now (or "any day now" ;-) ). When do you seriously think we'll see desktop SMP P-based systems (*shipped*, much less announced)? John Neubert > > If you're arguing that Sun offers more options and more software > than you can get on a PC, then you're on drugs. > >>Darcy> THIS IS NOT A LATE APRIL FOOL'S JOKE. >> >>I sure can spot the fool. -> /Lars > > - db
From: benji@athena.com (Benjamin Cline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anybody got NewsGrazer compiled for NS/Intel? Date: 16 Apr 1993 20:46:09 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1qn5uh$eo@hermes.athena.com> References: <1993Apr14.071714.12417@netcom.com> <1993Apr15.161116.6263@rpslmc.edu> In article <1993Apr15.161116.6263@rpslmc.edu> pay backs writes: > >--We at RUSH are also running NS486 beta. I would go as afr as to ask if >anyone knows of software compiled for NS486 that is either beta, or public >domain, could you please post its address and what it is? Thanks. > >John-William DeClaris Both Mesa 1.4 and CultureShock 1.1 run on NS-FIP. The demo version of Mesa and the full working version of CultureShock (it's freely distributable software) can be ftp'ed from cs.orst.edu and ftp.cica.indiana.edu. benji -- Benjamin Cline benji@athena.com Systems Administrator NeXTmail cheerfully accepted! Athena Design, Inc. "Happiness is a warm puppy."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: stark@superc.che.udel.edu (Scott M. Stark) Subject: Archie update v2.08a Message-ID: <C5LHtu.4Mp@news.udel.edu> Keywords: Archie Sender: usenet@news.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 21:17:54 GMT v2.08a Fri Apr 16 17:05:24 EDT 1993 A simple update to fix a problem that shows up when you try to abort a query. It showed up as an internal error which forced you to quit the program. -- Scott Stark University of Delaware Department of Chemical Engineering 123 Colburn Lab Newark, DE 19716-3119 (302) 831-6713
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Univ. of Washington sells Microsoft stock due to S. Africa ties Date: 16 Apr 1993 22:09:23 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qnaqjINNoco@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> DATE - April 6, 1993 SEATTLE (UPI) -- University of Washington has divested all its share of Microsoft Corp. because the software giant has resumed doing business in South Africa. Regents' treasurer V'Ella Warren said Monday the Seattle school sold 8,400 Microsoft shares in December for $720,000. Microsoft chairman and co-founder Bill Gates' mother, Mary, is a regent at the university, located across Lake Washington from the Redmond, Wash.-based software company. School regents voted in 1986 for a South Africa divestment policy. However, Microsoft spokesman Randy Massengale said his company expects Nelson Mandela's African National Congress to offically call for lifting international sanctions against South Africa in the coming months. But the city of Seattle's Employee Retirement System has instructed its pension-fund portfolio managers not to buy additional Microsoft stock for the time being. A city spokesman said he also expects the pension fund to sell its 8,150 Microsoft shares, worth about $750,000, in about a year. Many companies, university and governments have divested holdings in South Africa because of that country's apartheid racial-segregaration policies. However, South Africa has eased apartheid restrictions in recent years and begun negotiations with blacks for power sharing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: Re: Very small HSD flame Message-ID: <1993Apr16.221636.10171@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. References: <1qlt0iINNmcc@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 22:16:36 GMT In article <1qlt0iINNmcc@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) writes: > Hi folks! the following is a small flame about HSD. > > Gee, am I complaining or what? I order a copy of OCR Servant on sale for > a whopping 99 bucks. It was a great deal at some absolutely incredible > disocount. > > A week later I get a bill for 99 bucks plus 5 bucks shipping. Pretty fair > huh? One problem: I got the invoice, but no product. After a conversation > with the wonderful people at HSD (no sarcasm), they mentioned that they > ship the product and the bill separately! (The product arrived by Canada Post > the next day.) We send an invoice with the product, it's enclosed with the packing slip, and a duplicate via regular mail (for your records) the same day. Most companies do business this way as far as I know. Sounds to me like U.S Airmail was just a bit quicker than Canada Post in this instance. > Small flame: Isn't it kinda strange that they ship both of them separately? > Doesn't it cause a lot of people (me included) to phone them and inquire > about the status of the product? We love it when you call because it gives us the opportunity to try sell you something else. "Would you like a Master to go with that Servant you purchased last week?" "How about a scanner as well?" And the call is toll free from anywhere in the U.S. or Canada (800) 828-5522 if others want to call in just for fun. Can't remember receiving any other call about this, though... > BTW: The software has a non-transferrable license for those who care about > those things. The software has a transferable license, as do all HSD products. If you'd like to license an HSD product you purchased from someone else, give us a call. We'll email, fax, phone, mail, FedEx or personally deliver a new license string or registration key for any HSD product. -- Sincerely, David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
From: citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Message-ID: <0096B1FB.E018271E@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Date: 16 Apr 93 23:23:06 GMT References: <1993Apr7.201624.15577@wam.umd.edu> <messinaC54vFH.Btx@netcom.com> <93Apr16.171604.33841@acs.ucalgary.ca>,<1993Apr16.182631.29034@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Distribution: na,local Organization: University of Arizona In article <1993Apr16.182631.29034@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, sircomp@bcarh289.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) writes: >In article <93Apr16.171604.33841@acs.ucalgary.ca> bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes: >>> When are those guys going to get a clue from Microsoft? You >>> don't make money on developers - they make money for you! I >>> hope Steve Jobs wakes up in time before his NeXTSTEP goes the >>> same way as NeXT did. >> >>I would be VERY surprised if NeXT didn't have a lower-cost >>development package available for small developers. The ~$1995 >>price (which, by the way, doesn't include the OS, you also need >>the $795 user version) is targetted at corporate developers. >> >>I'd expect to see NeXT's registered developer's program revamped >>to provide a few copies at reduced cost. Time will tell, though, >>it's just that NeXT employees I've talked to all agree on this >>point and hint at something being in the works. >> >>NeXT knows how important the little guys are, it just takes time >>for them to come up with an appropriate strategy. > >Or how about NeXT offering the developers version for free/extremely cheap >when you go to NeXT Dev camp? Or is there a Dev camp even anymore? >later... > Rob > >-- >Rob Parkhill aka sircomp@bnr.ca = | = $20 says that Big Bird can >1971 Super Beetle: 5 years of = | = take Barney the Dinosaur. >work and worth every minute! = | = What I'd like to see is a licensed version that does not permit commercial distribution. That is I could develop for my self or for the public domain but not for anyone/anything else. I'd like to see this version be the lowest cost offering. Many NeXT users use the developers tools to some degree; but do not create apps "for export" beyond our machines. Getting as much NeXT apps as possible in the public domain also helps run time sales. Don McCollam citdem@happy.rc.arizona.edu
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP/intel demo Message-ID: <1993Apr16.233449.5971@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 16 Apr 93 23:34:49 GMT Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. // If anyone out there is at U of Delaware, or other area schools, could // you re-post this to local newsgroups? We'd like to get a big turnout. PhaNG, the Philadelphia Area NEXTSTEP User Group, will be holding a public demonstration of NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors. The meeting info: Date: Wednesday, May 5 Time: 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm Place: David Rittenhouse Labs, U of Penn Room A1 33rd & Walnut Streets (SE corner) Philadelphia NEXTSTEP is the advanced operating environment which has, until now, only been available on Motorola-based NeXT computers. Now, NeXT is nearing release of a version of NEXTSTEP which will run on 486-based PC's. NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Intel Processors will be demonstrated on an Epson Progression 486 computer by Kris Younger of NeXT. Video projection will be used-no squinting. NEXTSTEP is scheduled for release on May 25 at NeXTWorld Expo in San Francisco. The demonstration will be open to the public. Come one come all! If you are interested in seeing the most advanced PC operating system around, come on by! For more information, contact me: Jonathan Hendry VP "Public Relations" & Advertising PhaNG, the Philadelphia Area NEXTSTEP User Group 215-662-1755 (after 7pm) jon@afs.com -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: emt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Michael Taleff) Subject: Re: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Message-ID: <1993Apr17.001225.19061@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <1993Apr7.201624.15577@wam.umd.edu> <messinaC54vFH.Btx@netcom.com> <93Apr16.171604.33841@acs.ucalgary.ca> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 00:12:25 GMT In article <93Apr16.171604.33841@acs.ucalgary.ca> bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) writes: >> When are those guys going to get a clue from Microsoft? You >> don't make money on developers - they make money for you! I >> hope Steve Jobs wakes up in time before his NeXTSTEP goes the >> same way as NeXT did. > >I would be VERY surprised if NeXT didn't have a lower-cost >development package available for small developers...... [Stuff Deleted] >-- >Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer >bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR > | > | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it We all hope that the development system is as readily available to developers, cost-wise, as possible, especially those small innovative guys, so that we get all kinds of great software. I hope that NeXT agrees with this too. However, I haven't heard anybody ask this question about the "Developer's System" yet: What about educational users? The operating system without a compiler is NeXT to useless for those of us at Universities who need to do any kind of data crunching, writing of special programs for our research, compilation of standard programs (gnuplot, the wonderful public domain stuff out there, etc..), or modifying of source code, not to even mention numerical analysis and simulation that many edu users need to do on their personal machines (ie. those kinds of problems that you don't need to or can't get onto a Snake or the NASA Ames Cray to do). Some edu users might get by just using gcc, but I would wager that many still need at least some of the full development tools, and based their purchase of a NeXT on that. Additionally, most edu users would have a hard time shelling out $500-1000 for an operating system with tools on top of buying a new computer system to run it on. One of the reasons that I personally got a NeXT a couple of years ago was that it was, at that time, the fastest machine even close to my budget limits, and it had the FULL array of Unix trinkets, including COPILER, etc..., in addition to usefull additional things like MMA, great TeX package, Improv (bundled then), etc.... I feel that NeXT has been very good to edu users in the past (except for having inept "campus consultants" as sales people, another of their marketing oddities). I hope that they will maintain that kind of philosophy with their software-only future, but I still feel in the dark about what that future will bring. Does anyone know what kind of policy NeXT will set for edu licenses on NS/FIP? How would other edu users like to see NeXT handle edu distribution? Will we find out in May? ******************************************************************* Eric Taleff Stanford Univeristy Applied Mechanics, Materials Science and Engineering et@uhcs.stanford.edu *******************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Very small HSD flame Message-ID: <C5Lpw9.707@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1qlt0iINNmcc@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 00:12:08 GMT In article <1qlt0iINNmcc@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) writes: >Hi folks! the following is a small flame about HSD. > >Gee, am I complaining or what? I order a copy of OCR Servant on sale for >a whopping 99 bucks. It was a great deal at some absolutely incredible >disocount. > >A week later I get a bill for 99 bucks plus 5 bucks shipping. Pretty fair >huh? One problem: I got the invoice, but no product. After a conversation >with the wonderful people at HSD (no sarcasm), they mentioned that they >ship the product and the bill separately! (The product arrived by Canada Post >the next day.) Yes the same procedure happened to me, and I'm glad they handled it that way. > >Small flame: Isn't it kinda strange that they ship both of them separately? >Doesn't it cause a lot of people (me included) to phone them and inquire >about the status of the product? I don't think we (in Canada) should complain. One of the real hassles here is the hidden "tariff" barrier the government puts on out of country sales. As you know, a tax (GST) is applied to most items coming into the country. That's fine,except that in many cases you get a note instructing you to go down to the local govenment mail facility in order to pick up the item, pay the tax and then pay them an additional $5 for collecting the tax. I've had to pay it for books I've reviewed and sent to me for free! Basically, I would not blame HSD. I'd say something to the powers that be that are trying everything in their power to turn the country into Albania. [ Incidentally, it is not only Canada that does this. The US will charge you $10 or so just to open a package in order to check that all is in order. This has happened to me twice when I had to return defective products for items purchased in the US.] One way of getting around these nitwits is to do things electronically, whether it be for TV, sw, etc...You'd think the nationalists would fade away. Instead they are growing more powerful everywhere. [ ] -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Using NeXT 400 dpi printer with a mac? Message-ID: <C5Lq5q.752@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C5KDzK.Jv1@utstat.toronto.edu> <1qm9d0INNrud@epic.truevision.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 00:17:49 GMT In article <1qm9d0INNrud@epic.truevision.com> steve@estel.uindy.edu writes: [ ] > >O.K. I tried this in c.s.n.software with no luck... but it's come up >again! Does anyone have a reliable e-mail/phone number I can use the get >the folks at IPT? I tried geneg@ipt.com but the message bounced :-(. It shouldn't bounce...Here's some phone numbers. (800)-233-9993 (805)-541-3000 fax= (805)-541-3037 -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: printing several PostScript plots on a page Message-ID: <66609@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 17 Apr 93 00:36:55 GMT References: <1993Apr16.200633.10191@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993Apr16.200633.10191@newshost.lanl.gov> ryne@beta.lanl.gov (Robert Ryne) writes: > I have several PostScript plots (generated using gunplot) that > I will like to print 4-up on a page. Does anyone know a simple > way to do this? in the worst case, you could cat them together, fix the Adobe DSC comments to make a single document (its not that hard) and run through quarto or psnup. there must be a tool to do this, but if not, its probably only 5 minutes of editing once you learn how DSC comments work - see the Adobe reference manual (the red book) > On a related topic, where can I find the program psnup? in /usr/bin along with enscript, pscat, pslpr and others another good ps util is quarto available on sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/submissions P.S. the which and where commands are good for finding programs -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bobcook@slac.stanford.edu (Bob Cook) Subject: Re: printing several PostScript plots on a page Message-ID: <C5LpwL.1vz@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <1993Apr16.200633.10191@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 00:12:21 GMT Robert Ryne writes >On a related topic, where can I find the program psnup? /usr/bin/psnup on 3.0. -- Bob Cook bobcook@slac.stanford.edu Stanford Linear Accelerator Center NeXT mail okay snup on 3.0. -- Bob Cook bobcook@sla
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) Subject: MB's for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Apr17.004602.209@pyrian.com> Sender: ian@pyrian.com Organization: PYRIAN Software Group Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 00:46:02 GMT Give me some of the names of mother boards that people are using. (that are not listed in the comp guide.) I am interested in getting a clone 486DX/2-66 with two vesa, one eisa and the rest isa. Usuing a ATI card etc. Will it work? What other vesa and eisa boards can someone recommend. Thanks. -- Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 Pyrian Software Group | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com NeXTSTEP Consulting | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK?
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Standard Dvorak keymapping that handles CAP LOCK on sonata Message-ID: <66613@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 17 Apr 93 03:39:55 GMT Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 The file Dvorak.keymapping.Z is on sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/submissions here is the readme file this is an ANSI standard Dvorak key mapping (or actually a very close approximation with <> keys as shifted ,.) It is an improvement over the dvorak.keymapping in the 2.0/misc directory because THE CAP LOCK WORKS CORRECTLY It was produced using the rekmap program by Derek Bennett Though it did inherit the correct CAP LOCK incantation from Derek, it doesnt use his mutated dvorak layout. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!sci34hub!tybrin4!trey (Trey McClendon) Subject: Re: 2.89MB floppies and NS/i Message-ID: <1993Apr15.171908.17379@tybrin4.uucp> Sender: trey@tybrin4.uucp (Trey McClendon) Organization: TYBRIN Corporation, Huntsville AL References: <mtoomey.115.734714599@hestia.fcs.uga.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:19:08 GMT In article <mtoomey.115.734714599@hestia.fcs.uga.edu> mtoomey@hestia.fcs.uga.edu (MARK EDWARD TOOMEY) writes: > >> In article <1993Apr8.022440.5017@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org > >> (Nicolas Dore) writes: > >> > Hi > >> > > >> > Will NeXTSTEP/intel support (either right away, or in the announced > >> > future) 2.88MB diskette drives available for PCs. I have seen some at > >> > around 300$ for drive+controller, so I am wondering if that would be a > >> > good idea for a future NeXTSTEP PC. > > We recently saw a demo of NeXtStep 486 (beta 3.1) on an Epson 486 > Progression w/Wingine graphics & the system engineer told me the drive would > recognize NeXt disks, Mac, PC & OS/2. He didn't mention 2.88MB however. > Dell can put 2.88 MB floppy drives in their PCs. Trey
From: steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank) Subject: NeXT Printer Error: Cannot Connect to WindowServer Message-ID: <2BCF8505.3922@news.service.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 17 Apr 93 04:18:13 GMT I am trying to set up a NeXT printer on a netboot client. I know that this increases network traffic, and printers are not usually attached to clients. My problem is (1) the printer is configured normally (comparing nidump printcap for this and working printers), (2) it powers on when booting, (3) the queue is filled when a job is sent to the printer, with the appropriate files in the spool directory, but the following error message is written to lpd-errs: Apr 16 20:59:48 ficus Server:Local_Printer[182]: Cannot connect to WindowServer. Sleeping. Any suggestions? ---------------------------------------------------------- Steven Frank | Tel: 714-725-2244 Dept. of Ecology and | Fax: 714-725-2181 Evolutionary Biology | email: safrank@uci.edu Univ. of California | bitnt: safrank@uci.bitnet Irvine, CA 92717 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cs4gp6aa@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Appavoo J) Subject: Is it possible play *.wav files on a NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Apr17.065407.7338@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> Sender: usenet@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 06:54:07 GMT Is it possible to play *.wav sound files on a NeXT? Are there any programs out on the net that will (or will convert them to some playable format) play them? Thanks for all your help. Jonathan Appavoo.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@bandw.com () Subject: adfsadf Message-ID: <1993Apr17.005111.14448@bandw.com> Sender: rick@bandw.com Organization: B&W Software Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 00:51:11 GMT afasdfasdff asfsf -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Damon rick@bandw.com Black & White Software NeXTMail OK 802-496-8500 (voice) 802-496-5112 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: adfsadf Message-ID: <C5Mxu0.8IE@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <1993Apr17.005111.14448@bandw.com> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 16:01:10 GMT In article <1993Apr17.005111.14448@bandw.com> rick@bandw.com () writes: > >afasdfasdff >asfsf liuiouiou! ljdfidsf! nxcmn lsa wqeqwe jdjd dh ... >-- >------------------------------------------------------------- >Rick Damon rick@bandw.com >Black & White Software NeXTMail OK >802-496-8500 (voice) 802-496-5112 (fax) -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Subject: Re: Help!!! NeXT Music Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 16:22:54 GMT Message-ID: <C5Myu6.8Eo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Apr15.223557.4499@bvc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana yuqian@bvc.edu (Suicidal Freshman) writes: >Could someone give me a hint of where to get musics for NeXT computer (.snd >or .score extension). Ftp site preferred. Probably the best place to post your questions would be to the nextmusic subscription service. The address is: nextmusic-request@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com (subscribe, unsubscribe, change, etc.) nextmusic@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com (for posting to the distribution list) Jim Beauchamp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Subject: Re: Sound programs Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 16:38:14 GMT Message-ID: <C5MzJq.8qI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <C5JK1H.1FG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana brownwd@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (William Brown) writes: >Is there a program on the NeXT systems that can play .mod (pc) sounds? >The only one my system has is compatable with .snd. I'm not very well >informed about the NeXT systems....YET! > >Thanks in advance! I doubt that there is such a program to play back a non-standard soundfile in real time. However, a number of programs have been mentioned that convert a sound file from one format to another. One is SoundHack by Tom Erbe. He is at tom@mills.edu. Jim Beauchamp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dlm40629@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel L. Marks) Subject: NextStep Course in Chicago Area, Summer 1993 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 17:20:18 GMT Message-ID: <C5n1Hu.9w9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Distribution: usa Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: Nextstep Chicago Summer 1993 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana A NeXTstep Course will be held in the Chicago area, that will teach both the basics and more advanced techniques of NeXTstep programming with the Interface Builder, Project Builder, DB Kit, and the Application Kit. It is scheduled for mid-June, will be held in the early evening, and will last for six weeks. The topics that will be covered include: x Introduction to the NeXTstep graphical environment x Creating Applications with the Project Builder x Introduction to Object Oriented Programming x Construction of graphical interfaces with Interface Builder x Objective-C and a brief review of C programming x Digital Librarian and NextDeveloper on-line documentation x Many Application Kit Classes x Display Postscript and pswraps x Mouse and Keyboard Handling and Events x Distributed Objects x Introduction to Mach (Streams and Threads) x Introduction to DB Kit x Porting to NeXTstep-486 We want to know how much interest there is in this course, and if college credit is important for potential enrollees. If you are interested in this course, please respond to dlm40629@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, and tell us if you are interested in taking the course for credit or not. NeXTstep programmers Daniel L. Marks (d-marks1@uiuc.edu) and David Jeske (jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu), formerly with the Mathematics Visualization Project of Argonne National Laboratory, will be instructors for the course. This course has previously been taught for credit by the same instructors at the University of Illinois at Chicago campus. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Marks dlm40629@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sound programs Message-ID: <9255@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 17 Apr 93 18:15:48 GMT References: <C5JK1H.1FG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <C5MzJq.8qI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <C5MzJq.8qI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> J-Beauchamp@uiuc.edu writes: >brownwd@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (William Brown) writes: >>Is there a program on the NeXT systems that can play .mod (pc) sounds? >>The only one my system has is compatable with .snd. I'm not very well >>informed about the NeXT systems....YET! >I doubt that there is such a program to play back a non-standard soundfile >in real time. >Jim Beauchamp Actually there *is* a .mod player for NeXT. Aptly called ModPlayer, the only place I've seen it is on the Bay Area NeXT Group's CDROM "Sex Lies and CD-ROM" available with a membership to their group ($35) (info@bang.org) Here is an excerpt from the Helpfile: Help with ModPlayer Version 2.4 of June, 23rd 1992 ModPlayer is a program to play back so called "Modules" created with the "Soundtracker" application (and more or less compatible derivatives thereof) on the Amiga. Most of the sound effects made possible by the Soundtracker software and the Amiga hardware can be played back with the ModPlayer application. ModPlayer was developed from a Module-Playback application for Sun Sparcstations, written by Liam Corner and Marc Espie. Ingo Feulner adapted the playback code for use on the NeXT and privided its rudimentary integration into Objective-C. Matthias Zepf developed the User Interface and provided general help and enthusiasm. This version was made possible by a stroke of genius on his part. Markus Stoll contributed the physical theory and the FFT code needed for the display of the sound spectrum. He also made sure the communication with the Window Server was error free. More info and new versions are available from: Ingo Feulner Wolfacher Weg 22 7030 Bpblingen Fed. Rep. of Germany Tel. (+49) 7031/277821 NeXTmail: modplayer@xenon.stgt.sub.org Hope this helps, -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXTStep, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: What's the best free graphics program (if any)? Message-ID: <1993Apr17.183933.25117@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:39:33 GMT I am looking for a program that can handle all kinds of graphics formats and turn them into each other. It has at leat to be able to create uncompressed tiffs that can be read by DrawPerfect on a PC, or even better .WPG files. Can GraphicsWorkshop do either of those? Thanks in advance, --Gerben -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: ejones@desire.wright.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: DSP hardware for NeXT?? Message-ID: <1993Apr17.152619.8689@desire.wright.edu> Date: 17 Apr 93 15:26:19 EST Organization: Wright State University First off, let me apologize for asking this question in a NeXT group when I don't even own a NeXT machine. But, I do have a related question. I am looking for some Digital Signal Processing (DSP) for my Alpha. DEC sells a product that will give me an external DSP port that is compatible with the DSP port on the NeXT. So, can anyone tell me if there is any DSP hardware, preferably multichannel with sampling rates of AT LEAST 50 KHz, that will work with the DSP port on the NeXT? I would be very gratefull. Thanks. -- **************************************************************************** * Ed Jones | ejones@desire.wright.edu * * Deptartment of Psychology | ejones@sdl.psych.wright.edu * * Signal Detection Lab | ejones@wsu (Bitnet) * * Wright State University | * ****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Sound programs Message-ID: <C5nDM9.1E8@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C5JK1H.1FG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <C5MzJq.8qI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 21:42:08 GMT In article <C5MzJq.8qI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> J-Beauchamp@uiuc.edu writes: [On a NeXT program to play "mod" files- which originated on the Amiga] ModPlayer version 2.5 is on sonata.cc.purdue.edu. It is what you want. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to include messages into my Mail.app mailboxes? Date: 18 Apr 1993 10:22:48 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qro7o$5f8@access.digex.net> So how do I include messages into my Mail.app mailboxes when that message originated from the outside world? There doesn't seem to be an import feature of any kind. Well at least I haven't found it. The other detraction of NeXT mail is that you can't edit messages in your own mailbox! Having one would make up for theother but alas we don't have either capability. Anyone have any advice on editing or including foreign info into my mailboxes? - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
From: andrewd@sematech.tamu.edu (Andrew Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sound programs Date: 18 Apr 1993 15:18:37 GMT Organization: Sematech Research, Texas A&M University Message-ID: <1qrrgdINN4dj@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <C5JK1H.1FG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <C5MzJq.8qI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <C5nDM9.1E8@utstat.toronto.edu> In article <C5nDM9.1E8@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >In article <C5MzJq.8qI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> J-Beauchamp@uiuc.edu writes: > >[On a NeXT program to play "mod" files- which originated on the Amiga] > >ModPlayer version 2.5 is on sonata.cc.purdue.edu. It is what you want. > There's also "sox" which is a sound conversion program that handles many different formats (not sure about mod, but maybe) which should compile on most unix boxes. GISO is sox with a next front end and should be available on the archives. -Andrew -- -- Andrew Duchowski | -- -- Texas A&M University | This page intentionally blank -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail) | -- -- andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail) | --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: How to include messages into my Mail.app mailboxes? Message-ID: <93Apr18.173232.28264@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 17:32:32 GMT References: <1qro7o$5f8@access.digex.net> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > So how do I include messages into my Mail.app mailboxes when > that message originated from the outside world? There doesn't > seem to be an import feature of any kind. Well at least I > haven't found it. The obvious suggestion: You can mail things to yourself. The less obvious suggestion: Copy something to the pasteboard, select your mailbox window and Paste. It's not documented anywhere that I know of, but you get a message from yourself entitled "Appended Message". Go figure. It always works properly for me but some people report Mail bombing when they try this. > The other detraction of NeXT mail is that you can't edit > messages in your own mailbox! I can't honestly say I have any idea why you'd want to. > Having one would make up for the other but alas we don't have > either capability. Anyone have any advice on editing or > including foreign info into my mailboxes? Hope what I've said fits the bill! -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: What's the "open" file for directory Icon's name Message-ID: <1993Apr18.173755.1092@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 17:37:55 GMT .dir.tiff in a directory gives an Icon on the workspace. How should the file be named that displays the directory's open state? I tried .opendir.tiff, .diropen.tiff. And i can't find a reference anywhere either. --Gerben -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: g3steen@sms.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) Subject: HELP! I CAN'T LOGIN TO MY NEXT STATION! Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 20:47:29 GMT Message-ID: <uTw82B2w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) I've really done it now, and I need some help. I replace the file: nextlogin.tiff in usr/nextstep (I think) with anothr login.tiff file that I got off the archives. I renamed nextlogin.tiff to something else and renamed the new tiff to nextlogin.tiff. Then, I powered off and tried to come back in. Well, now when I get to the stage where I am supposed to enter my user id and password, the screen is blank. Ok, I can enter my info blind, but then instead of bringing me to my workscreen, the hard disk icon just spins forever. Is there any way I can circumben the login screen and restore my original tiff? I am not on a network, so I have no other way of getting "in" that I can figure out. Please e-mail me directly or telephone me collect at (519) 858-0808. HELP! g3steen@sms.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) Western Business School -- London, Ontario
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: What's the "open" file for directory Icon's name Message-ID: <1993Apr18.204149.3996@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Apr18.173755.1092@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 20:41:49 GMT gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl writes > How should the file be named that displays the directory's > open state? dir.tiff in a directory gives an Icon on the workspace. opendir.tiff displays the directory's open state. Note only one dot in each case. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: What's the "open" file for directory Icon's name Message-ID: <1993Apr18.204648.4153@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Apr18.204149.3996@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 20:46:48 GMT Following up my own follow-up: > gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl writes > > How should the file be named that displays the directory's > > open state? > > dir.tiff in a directory gives an Icon on the workspace. > opendir.tiff displays the directory's open state. > > Note only one dot in each case. I don't know why the leading dots didn't show up there. That should read: > .dir.tiff in a directory gives an Icon on the workspace. > .opendir.tiff displays the directory's open state. Note that there is one and only one dot in each case -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: burton@burton.commerce.ubc.ca (Burton Hollifield) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: problem with Mail Date: 18 Apr 1993 21:29:52 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <1qsh8gINNcgr@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Keywords: mail I have had the following problem with mail. My hard disk completely filled up with a large swap-file running Mathematica. At this point, I rebooted the computer. When I logged back in, the mail app will not start up anymore. I can get it started by clicking on the Outgoing.mbox, but it never wants to read in Active.mbox. Help! Burton
From: beeman@cats.ucsc.edu (Adam Beeman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Wanted. yep.. NS/Intel expo deal. Date: 19 Apr 1993 00:08:36 GMT Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz Message-ID: <1qsqi4INNt0t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <23168@mindlink.bc.ca> <1qmokcINN809@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> In article <1qmokcINN809@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> template@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Template Account) writes: >In article <23168@mindlink.bc.ca> Ian_Upright@mindlink.bc.ca (Ian Upright) >writes: >> Any 040 NeXT users who want to go to the expo and don't want the >> Intel version? You've got a taker here. The going rate seems to >> be $450. Anybody? >> >> Ian. > >I am interested as well... > Jim Hendry > (hendryjl@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu) I'd love to attend the expo, and since I live in Santa Cruz, it's only an hour away for me. If you'd like to get that full developer's version of NS/Intel for the special $1k price offered, but can't make it to the expo itself, drop me a note, and I'll go instead. -Adam -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the Mind of Adam Beeman || Flames: root@localhost #include <std/disclaimer.h> || other stuff: beeman@cats.ucsc.edu insert your own witty quote here || NeXT Mail: adam@samsara.santa-cruz.ca.us -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: alex@hal.rhein-main.de (Alexander Lehmann) Subject: MIME support for NeXT? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <C5oxMt.sH@hal.rhein-main.de> Keywords: MIME, NeXTMail Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 17:52:04 GMT I am considering writing a bunch of shell, perl, whatever scripts to automatically convert incoming MIME messages to NeXTMail format. It should be possible to filer out such messages by procmail, convert them and then send them to oneself, so that they can be processed by the Mail application. Outgoing mails are probably more difficult, but an incoming support would be at least a start. This would require some conversion tools to change e.g. gif images to tiffs or richtext/enriched text to RTF. Before I start at this task, I'd like to ask if anyone has already written something in this area. Also MIME support for Newsgrazer would be a nice idea (though I'm not using it, as you can tell from the header). looking forward to comments, bye ... Alexander -- Alexander Lehmann, alex@hal.rhein-main.de | "Wopp" or alexlehm@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de | - ( THHGTTG Pt.3 )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Gregory W. Gee <gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Subject: need help with TransSys DialUp-IP. Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 04:58:01 GMT Message-ID: <9304190458.AA19399@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> To: comp.sys.next.misc@newshost.uwo.ca Sender: daemon@julian.uwo.ca (Julian System Daemon Account) I was wondering if there was anyone out there that could help me through the setup of this interface. I have it all in and wrote the scripts but I need someone to talk with to help with any other little things that I might miss. If anyone has used this, your help would be greatly appreciated. Please respond by mail if possible. **************************************************************************** Greg Gee gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Honours Computer Science, ggee@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario NeXT Mail accepted >>> Developing in the NeXT generation <<< ****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: What's the "open" file for directory Icon's name (sorry) Message-ID: <1993Apr19.051645.1095@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <1993Apr18.204648.4153@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 05:16:45 GMT In article <1993Apr18.204648.4153@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Following up my own follow-up: > > gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl writes > > > How should the file be named that displays the directory's > > > open state? > > > > dir.tiff in a directory gives an Icon on the workspace. > > opendir.tiff displays the directory's open state. > > > > Note only one dot in each case. > > I don't know why the leading dots didn't show up there. That should > read: > > > .dir.tiff in a directory gives an Icon on the workspace. > > .opendir.tiff displays the directory's open state. > > Note that there is one and only one dot in each case I don't know either how I got two dots typed in the original question (..opendir.tiff). Originally, I tried .opendir.tiff and it did not work (at least I thought I tried .opendir.tiff) and I posted after looking through my system and in the manuals. I received various answers saying it to be .opendir.tiff and indeed, it just works. I'll probably never know what I mistyped the first time I tried. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks for the help. -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Bay Area NeXT User Group (BANG) Announces Expanded Diskette Library Date: 16 Apr 1993 22:01:55 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qnacj$1ii@rosie.next.com> For more information, contact: James Heiser Diskette Library Product Manager Bay Area NeXT Group James_Heiser@BANG.org Bay Area NeXT User Group (BANG) Expanded Diskette Library BANG will be adding four new diskettes this Spring to its Diskette Library, a collection of disks that give NeXTSTEP users access to the latest in public domain applications and digital resources. The new additions to the diskette library are as follows: a) TIFFS 1 b) TIFFS 2 c) SOUNDS 1 d) DOCUMENTATION 1.1 The TIFFS 1 and TIFFS 2 diskettes consist of miscellaneous icons from GUN's (Gotham Users of NeXTs) Icon List Archive managed by Timothy Reed. The SOUNDS 1 diskette includes various sounds that users can use to personalize their NeXTSTEP computers. The DOCUMENTATION 1.1 diskette is an upgrade to BANGs DOCUMENTATION 1 diskette that will contain the most up to date NeXTanswers, FAQ, and Support Bulletins. BANG wanted to expand on the diskette library while keeping future NeXTSTEP for Intel users in mind. All of the diskettes will work with NeXTSTEP for Intel and will allow any user of NeXTSTEP to customize the sounds and directory icons on their system. The diskettes will be made available at the Second Annual NeXTWORLD EXPO, May 25-28, 1993, at San Francisco's Moscone Center. Prices for ALL diskettes have been reduced to $4 for members of BANG $7 for non-members. For more information contact: James Heiser Diskette Library Product Manager Bay Area NeXT Group James_Heiser@BANG.org
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Dell Announces Plans to Offer Systems with NEXTSTEP Date: 16 Apr 1993 23:11:05 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qnee9$1mo@rosie.next.com> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE MEDIA CONTACTS: Lisa Rohlf, Jill Shanks Dell Computer Corporation (512) 343-3782, (512) 338-8499 INVESTOR CONTACTS: Don Collis, Ken Smith Dell Computer Corporation (512) 338-8671, (512) 794-4034 DELL ANNOUNCES PLANS TO OFFER SYSTEMS WITH NEXTSTEP AUSTIN, Texas, April 14, 1993 -- Dell Computer Corporation and NeXT Computer, Inc. today announced that Dell intends to offer NEXTSTEP for Intel processors pre-installed on certain models of its 486-based systems and future product offerings based on Intel's Pentium microprocessor. Specific terms of the business relationship and distribution details were not disclosed, however, the company did say it plans to sell NeXTSTEP-equipped systems directly into select target markets. NEXTSTEP for Intel processors, the latest version of the industry-leading object-oriented software environment for developing and deploying client/server applications, runs on PCs powered by Intel i486 and Pentium microprocessors. Dell, a leading supplier of Intel-based systems, plans to offer NeXTSTEP on appropriate models of its line of 486-based, high-performance servers and graphics workstations. "For quite some time now, one of our high-end workstations has been the development platform of choice for NEXTSTEP for Intel processors," said Charles Sauer, Dell's vice president of software and technology. "This has generated a great deal of interest for NEXTSTEP on Dell hardware from developers and other segments of our customer base. We've maintained a close technical relationship with NeXT throughout the development of this new version. Our focus on performance and compatibility, coupled with our ability to rapidly disseminate new technology to the marketplace, positions Dell as the logical source of advanced systems for users who are looking for NEXTSTEP on an Intel-based platform." "Dell is clearly one of the world's foremost PC manufacturers," said Erna Arneson, NeXT's director of channel sales. "Dell is known in the industry for satisfying customers with high-value products and customer-oriented solutions. We're particularly excited about the wide range of hardware options that Dell offers its customers -- Dell has been the leader in local bus graphics technology with JAWS in their DGX product, and now offers leadership local bus graphics architecture in some of the most cost-effective machines available for running NEXTSTEP." Dell's Intel-486 based desktop computer line for NEXTSTEP ranges from the small-chassis L series systems, through the M and ME families of mid-sized solutions, to the company's high-end DGX mid-sized workstation -- which incorporates a 50MHz processor, secondary processor cache and the company's processor-direct graphics technology to provide customers with workstation-class graphics capability at an affordable cost. The company intends to offer NEXTSTEP-based systems directly to customers through Dell's direct sales force and also plans to distribute systems with NEXTSTEP to vertical markets, such as health care and government. Specific details on availability, distribution and pricing of these systems will be announced when NeXT begins shipment of the new version in May. NeXT develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. NEXTSTEP is used by medium and large organizations to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, Calif., 94063. A Fortune 500 company, Dell Computer Corporation (NASDAQ:DELL) designs, develops, manufactures, markets, services and supports a complete line of personal computers compatible with industry standards. Dell pioneered the direct marketing of PCs in 1984 and was the first company in the PC industry to offer manufacturer-direct technical support. According to Dataquest, a market data organization, Dell is the fifth largest computer company in the world, with fiscal 1993 revenues of more than $2 billion. Information on the company and its products can be obtained through its toll-free number: 1-800-BUY-DELL (1-800-289-3355). # # #
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Hewlett-Packard to Offer NEXTSTEP-Certified PC's Date: 16 Apr 1993 23:11:55 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qnefr$1mr@rosie.next.com> News Release: For more information, contact: Larry Sennett Hewlett-Packard (408)720-3061 Emily Brower Allison Thomas Associates (for NeXT Computer) (408)780-3786 HP (Hewlett-Packard) TO OFFER NEXTSTEP-CERTIFIED PC'S PALO ALTO, CA., April 14, 1993 - Hewlett-Packard Company and NeXT Computer Inc. today announced HP will offer Intel-based PCs certified to run NEXTSTEP object-oriented system software. HP Channel Partners (HP's name for its resellers) will then be able to integrate fully HP/NEXTSTEP solutions for their customers. HP's PC market strategy, driven through its extensive reseller relationships, positions HP as an ideal provider to NEXTSTEP platforms. HP markets all its PC products through Channel Partners, who then take responsibility for configuring the systems to meet specific customer demands. NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors, the latest version of the object-oriented software environment for developing and deploying client/server applications, runs on PCs powered by Intel486 and Pentium processors. HP initially plans to certify NEXTSTEP to run on 486-based HP Vectra series PCs, with additional systems to be announced in the future. "NeXT is a leader in the development of object-oriented environments such as NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors, and now we will have the opportunity to provide this exciting technology on our advanced PCs," said Bernard Meric, marketing manager for HP's Personal Information Products Group. "The relationship between HP, NeXT and our resellers will provide our customers with fully integrated HP/NEXTSTEP solutions." "We are very excited that customers will be able to purchase NEXTSTEP and HP PCs," said Erna Arnesen, director of Channel Sales for NeXT. "HP has a terrific reputation with customers, and their reseller base will be able to provide HP/NEXTSTEP combinations to suit customers' needs." NeXT develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. NEXTSTEP is used by medium and large organizations to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped productivity software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, California, 94063. Hewlett-Packard Company is an international manufacturer of measurement and computation products and systems recognized for excellence in quality and support. The company's products and services are used in industry, business, engineering, medicine, and education in approximately 110 countries. HP has 93,100 employees and had revenue of $16.4 billion in its 1993 fiscal year. Intel is a U.S. trademark of Intel Corp. Pentium is a trademark of Intel Corp.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NEC Technologies to Provide NEC and NEXTSTEP Solutions Date: 16 Apr 1993 23:12:35 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qneh3$1mu@rosie.next.com> NEWS FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contacts: Golin Harris Geoff Spillane, (508) 264-8759 Stephanie Allman, (508) 264-8835 Allison Thomas Associates Emily Brower, (415) 780-3786 NEC Technologies to Provide NEC and NEXTSTEP Solutions BOXBOROUGH, Mass., April 14, 1993 - NEC Technologies, Inc. and NeXT Computer, Inc. today announced that NEC will offer Intel-based hardware pre-configured with NEXTSTEP, the industry-leading object-oriented software platform for developing and deploying client/server applications. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed. Today's announcement follows NeXT's recent decision to cease production of its own hardware and to concentrate exclusively on developing and marketing its object-oriented NeXTSTEP software. "We are delighted at the prospect of offering NEC computers running NEXTSTEP, which is clearly the industry's leading object-oriented software platform," said Mike Mitsch, manager of Computer Systems Marketing for NEC. "For customers seeking to deploy NEXTSTEP, we will offer fully configured hardware with hotloaded NEXTSTEP software." NEC's Solutions program, launched in September 1992, enables corporate customers to order fully integrated and custom hotloaded desktop and laptop systems direct from NEC. The program is designed to reduce the cost associated with integration and configuration of PCs, thus enabling systems to be shipped directly from the factory to the end user. "Our relationship with NEC is an important aspect of NeXT's strategy to provide our customers with integrated hardware and software solutions," said Erna Arneson, director of channel sales at NeXT. "NEXTSTEP customers will benefit from the exciting new technology offerings and custom solutions capabilities that NEC offers." About NeXT NeXT develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. NEXTSTEP is used by customers to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped productivity software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, Calif., 94063 About NEC NEC Technologies, Inc., headquartered in Boxborough, Mass., is a leading manufacturer of computers and peripherals for the North American market. Product lines include award-winning MultiSync FG monitors, Silentwriter and Colormate printers, ProSpeed laptop computers, UltraLite notebook computers, Intersect and MultiSpin CD-ROM hardware, and PowerMate, Express, Imaged and Readyd systems products. NEC Technologies, Inc. is a subsidiary of NEC Corporation. -30- NeXT, and NEXTSTEP are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: EPSON to Integrate NEXTSTEP with Progression NX Date: 16 Apr 1993 23:13:04 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qnei0$1mv@rosie.next.com> News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Jan Marciano Epson (310) 782-5161 Emily Brower Allison Thomas Associates (415) 775-8599 EPSON to Integrate NEXTSTEP with Progression NX TORRANCE, Calif., April 14, 1993 - EPSON America, Inc. and NeXT Computer, Inc. today announced that EPSON will sell NEXTSTEP, the industry-leading object-oriented software platform for developing and deploying client/server applications, with an upcoming addition to its successful Progression product line. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed. Today's announcement follows NeXT's recent decision to cease production of its own hardware and concentrate exclusively on developing and marketing its object-oriented NEXTSTEP software. "NEXTSTEP takes full advantage of the high-performance graphics architecture inherent in our Wingine-based PCs," said Steven Huey, vice president of the PC and Solutions Business Unit for EPSON. "NEXTSTEP is the clear leader in object-oriented systems software, and our mutual customers will benefit tremendously by the combination. EPSON's close working relationship with NeXT has enabled us to maximize the performance of the Progression NX now and for future PCs." The Progression NX is an ideal platform for NEXTSTEP users and developers for a variety of reasons. The Wingine graphics architecture is based on frame-buffer video technology that strongly enhances usability of graphics-intensive operating systems. Further, the Progression NX, with six expansion slots and five drive bays, make it ideal for expansion capabilities. The Progression NX is certified by NeXT to be completely compatible with the NEXTSTEP operating system. The new addition to EPSON's Progression line of computers is now available. "Our agreement with EPSON is an important element of NeXT's strategy to provide customers with high-performance hardware integrated with NEXTSTEP software," said Erna Arnesen, NeXT's director of channel sales. "Progression NX machines, complete with Wingine graphics, are an ideal desktop computer for running NEXTSTEP." About EPSON EPSON, an affiliate of Seiko EPSON Corporation, is a leading marketer of innovative computer products, peripheral devices and services. Headquartered in Torrance, Calif., EPSON America is a $1 billion company. NeXT Computer, Inc. NeXTComputer, Inc. develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures such as the Intel486 and Pentium. NEXTSTEP is used by corporate customers to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped productivity software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, Calif., 94063. -30- NeXT, the NeXT logo and NEXTSTEP are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Intel486 and Pentium are registered trademarks of Intel Corporation. All brand or product names are registered trademarks of their respective holders.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Data General to Deliver NEXTSTEP on Dasher II 486 PCs Date: 16 Apr 1993 23:13:32 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qneis$1n0@rosie.next.com> News Release: For more information, contact: Chris Sampson Data General Corporation 3400 Computer Drive Westboro, MA 01580 Phone: (508)898-4288 DATA GENERAL TO DELIVER NEXTSTEP ON DASH II 486 PCs WESTBORO, Mass., April 14, 1993 - Continuing its strategic alliance with NeXT Computer, Inc., Data General Corporation today announced it is working with NeXT to make NEXTSTEP for Intel processors available on Data General's line of DASHER II 486 personal computers. NEXTSTEP for Intel processors is an object-oriented software that allows Intel 486 PC users to develop and deploy client/server application up to ten times faster than with any other existing environment. Data General demonstrated NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors on DASHER II-486DX2/66LE2 systems in March at Uniforum and CeBit. "We at Data General have believed for a long time that the object technology within NEXTSTEP is important for our large commercial customers," said Tom West, Data General's senior vice president of advanced development. "NEXTSTEP on Intel is clearly a winning combination. We are very pleased to offer it on our DASHER PCs." The availability of NEXTSTEP on DASHER II PCs will represent the second NeXT software product to be offered by Data General since the two companies began collaborating last August. AViiON NetInfo, a port of NeXT's NetInfo network administration software to Data General's family of AViiON servers, began shipping in December, 1992. Data General's multiprocessing AViiON servers run DG/UX, the company's implementation of UNIX System V, Release 4. They range in processing power from 29 to 235 MIPS. AViiON systems running NetInfo provide a strong back-end for a network of clients, such as DASHER II PCs, running NEXTSTEP. Additionally, Data General offers its line of CLARiiON products to meet customers' growing need for low-cost, open systems storage. The CLARiiON Series 200 Disk Array employs RAID technology and redundant subsystems to deliver up to 24 GB of high-capacity, high-reliability storage, while the CLARiiON Series 2000 Tape Array uses RAID-like performance for high-speed, fail-safe back-up. All products offered by Data General - included NetInfo and NEXTSTEP - are supported by the company's worldwide service and support organization. Data General expects NEXTSTEP will be available, preinstalled, on a variety of DASHER II systems by the end of May. Pricing for the government, business, industry and education. The company reported revenues of $1.1 billion in fiscal 1992. AViiON and DASHER are registered trademarks of Data General Corporation. CLARiiON and DASHER II-486DX2/66LE2 are trademarks of Data General Corporation. NEXTSTEP and NetInfo are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. UNIX is a registered trademark of UNIX System Laboratories, Inc.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: PanCanadian Enters Strategic Alliance with NeXT Date: 16 Apr 1993 23:15:26 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qneme$1n5@rosie.next.com> For Immediate Release Contact: Wayne Stewart Ingram Micro (714) 566-1000 x2707 Emily Brower Allison Thomas Associates (415) 775-8599 INGRAM MICRO & NeXT SIGN NATIONAL DISTRIBUTION AGREEMENT INGRAM MICRO'S POSITION AS THE WORLDWIDE LEADER IN THE DISTRIBUTION OF UNIX PRODUCTS BUILDS FURTHER MOMENTUM SANTA ANA, Calif., April 14, 1993 - Ingram Micro today announced an agreement with NeXT Computer Inc., to distribute the NEXTSTEP for Intel processors object-oriented system software. Ingram Micro will distribute both the user development versions of the NEXTSTEP for Intel processors environment to resellers in the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. "We view this as an important relationship between Ingram Micro and NeXT," said Robert Grambo, vice president of product marketing for Ingram Micro. "NEXTSTEP is a leader in object-oriented system software, and we see enormous potential for NeXT's software now that it is available for industry-standard PCs." NEXTSTEP is a leading object-oriented software environment for developing and deploying client/server applications. NEXTSTEP for Intel processors is the version of the software that runs on industry-standard PCs powered by Intel486 and Pentium microprocessors. Ingram Micro's channel marketing programs and business development strategies for the distribution of NEXTSTEP will be guided by Ingram Micro's Strategic Product Group for UNIX and its Technical Products Division, Ingram Micro business units that focus on product sales to value-added dealers (VADs) and system integrators. "As a distributor with enormous coverage and top-notch reputation, Ingram Micro is a tremendous partner for NeXT," said Erna Arnesen, NeXT's director of channel sales. "With Ingram Micro, we can leverage and gain visibility with almost any reseller we would like to reach with NeXTSTEP." About Ingram Micro & NeXT NeXTComputer, Inc. develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. NEXTSTEP is used by corporate customers to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped productivity software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, Calif., 94063. Ingram Micro Inc. is the world's largest wholesale distributor of microcomputer products. The company's inventory includes 16,000 products from over 750 of the world's leading hardware and software companies. It sells to 60,000 reseller customers in 65 countries and has distribution operations in eight nations, including international subsidiaries in Canada, the United Kingdom, Belgium, France, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy and a majority interest in Mexico's leading distributor Ingram Dicom. Ingram Micro also operates major export offices in Santa Ana, Brussels and Singapore. The company is headquartered in Santa Ana, California and achieved sales of $2.7 billion in 1992. -30- NeXT, the NeXT logo and NEXTSTEP are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Intel486 and Pentium are registered trademarks of Intel Corporation. All brand or product names are registered trademarks of their respective holders.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: PanCanadian Enters Strategic Alliance with NeXT Date: 16 Apr 1993 23:16:11 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qnenr$1n6@rosie.next.com> PanCanadian Petroleum Limited NEWS RELEASE For Immediate Release, April 14, 1993 Calgary, Alberta For more information, contact: Marianne Wood Emily Brower PanCanadian Allison Thomas Assoc. (403) 290-2220 (415) 780-3786 PanCanadian Enters Strategic Alliance with NeXT PanCanadian Petroleum Limited and NeXT Computer, Inc. today announced that PanCanadian will use NEXTSTEP for Intel processors as the primary software for the development and delivery of custom business applications internally. PanCanadian, a major Canadian oil and gas producer, is developing custom applications to enhance various aspects of its business, principally in its Operations Group. "We selected NEXTSTEP for its advanced object-oriented capabilities," said Roger Coates, coordinator of technology management at PanCanadian. NEXTSTEP significantly reduces application development time while improving application quality. In addition, it offers direct benefits to users through its highly integrated object-oriented development, database, graphic, communications and multimedia environment. "With the migration of NEXTSTEP to industry-standard hardware, the deployment of this platform became both practical and advantageous for PanCanadian," Coates said. NEXTSTEP is the leading object-oriented software environment for developing and deploying client/server applications. NEXTSTEP for Intel processors is the version of the software that runs on industry-standard PCs powered by Intel486 and Pentium microprocessors. Currently, PanCanadian is in the first stage of a four- to five-year program to upgrade its information management capabilities. When NEXTSTEP is fully deployed in approximately three years, the majority of PanCanadian's professional staff will use the NeXT software for many of their business activities. "PanCanadian's plan to develop custom applications to support its core business exemplifies the optimum use of NEXTSTEP to achieve competitive advantage," said Bob Longo, NeXT's director of North American sales. NeXT develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. NEXTSTEP is used by medium and large organizations to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped productivity software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, Calif., 94063. - 30 -
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Trident Data Systems Becomes NeXT Consulting Partner Date: 16 Apr 1993 23:16:41 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qneop$1n7@rosie.next.com> NEWS FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contacts: Michael Christiansen Director, Business Development Trident Data Systems (310) 338-3506 michael@tds.com Jan Tyler Marketing Manager NeXT Computer, Inc. (415) 780-3873 Jan_Tyler@next.com Trident Data Systems Becomes NeXT Consulting Partner LOS ANGELES, April 14, 1993 - Trident Data Systems and NeXT Computer, Inc. are pleased to announce that Trident will provide consulting services to NeXT customers in connection with the NeXT Consulting Partner Program. "Through partnering agreements with organizations such as Trident Data Systems, NeXT will be able to provide unlimited access to NEXTSTEP technical expertise and ensure the success of NeXT customers. We are impressed with Trident's skill level with NeXT technologies, as well as their strong commitment to customer support," said Jan Tyler, marketing manager for NeXT Support and Educational Products. Trident Data Systems, founded in 1975, is a leading provider of computer systems integration services, custom applications development and information security solutions. Trident has designed and integrated, and provided support for, the largest NeXT network currently in operation. In addition, Trident has developed numerous custom applications for its NeXT customers, including financial and administrative applications, expert systems and computer-aided training programs. With its corporate offices in Los Angeles, Trident currently employs more than 570 professionals at facilities in San Antonio, Texas, Washington, D.C. and seven program support offices nationwide. Trident will also be exhibiting at NeXTWORLD EXPO, May 25-27, 1993 at the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco, California.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Recent NEXTSTEP and NeXT Partner Announcements Date: 19 Apr 1993 21:59:28 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qv7c0$1r2@rosie.next.com> For your information, The following NEXTSTEP announcements were posted to the comp.sys.next.advocacy newsgroup today: 1. Hewlett-Packard to Offer NEXTSTEP-Certified PC's 2. Data General to Deliver NEXTSTEP on DASHER II PC's 3. Dell Announces Plans to Offer Systems with NEXTSTEP 4. NEC Technologies to Provide NEC and NEXTSTEP Solutions 5. EPSON to Integrate NEXTSTEP with Progression NX 6. Ingram Micro and NeXT Sign National Distribution Agreement 7. Trident Data Systems Becomes NeXT Consulting Partner 8. PanCanadian Enters Strategic Alliance with NeXT 9. Comnetix Provides York University with NEXTSTEP-Based System; System Will Handle All Undergraduate Admissions 10. Pencom to Provide Development Support for NeXTWORLD Expo Exhibitors Conrad Geiger International NEXTSTEP User Group Program Manager
From: Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Anybody got NewsGrazer compiled for NS/Intel? Date: 20 Apr 1993 16:44:28 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r199d$af@rosie.next.com> References: <1993Apr15.161116.6263@rpslmc.edu> Keywords: BlastApp In article <1993Apr15.161116.6263@rpslmc.edu> John William DeClaris writes: > --We at RUSH are also running NS486 beta. I would go as afr as to ask if > anyone knows of software compiled for NS486 that is either beta, or public > domain, could you please post its address and what it is? Thanks. Ok, ok, twist my arm. A multi-architecture version of BlastApp is available on sonata.cc.purdue.edu as BlastAppV4.tar.Z. It will run under NEXTSTEP 3.0 or 3.1. It's currently in the pub/next/submissions directory. As an added bonus, it has six extra levels and a few other new features. Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible) Subject: MIDI executive summary requested Sender: news@nas.nasa.gov (News Administrator) Organization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center Date: 20 Apr 93 12:44:54 Message-ID: <RAIBLE.93Apr20124454@win57.nas.nasa.gov> Distribution: comp I'm interested in the minimal effort path to hook up my MIDI keyboard to my nextstation. I'd like to use the slab as a sequencer at least, but perhaps more - I have no idea what software is out there. I'd rather not get into any programming yet - I already do enough of that. I assume that I'll need some sort of cable, so pointers to a good source in the bay area would be appreciated. I'm willing to spend some $$$ for really killer software, but I'd prefer public domain. Please respond with email if possible Thanks for any help - Eric (raible@nas.nasa.gov).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: Alarm Clock software - does it exist as shareware? Message-ID: <C5stH9.1Hu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Apr20.135740.1461@afs.com> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 20:12:43 GMT In article <1993Apr20.135740.1461@afs.com> Gregory_Mutzel@afs.com writes: > In article <C5qyHr.1yo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu > (Jon Haveman) writes: > > I'm looking for a public domain/shareware alarm clock > > for my NeXT. Does one exist? > > Check out a pretty cool palette from the archives. > > (from its READEME.rtfd) > "Clocks.palette is a 3.0 InterfaceBuilder View palette for the Control > subclasses AnalogClock, CalendarClock, and DigitalClock (all direct > subclasses of Clock). The Clock class models the general functionality of > a basic clock with alarm capability." > > You could make your own Alarm Clock app. > True, one could be made withoug TOO much difficulty. Thanks for letting me know about "Clocks.palette". Fortunately, I've been informed that others have already spent the time doing what I was interested in. The following have all been put forthe as suggestions: Cassandra available at nova.cc.purdue.edu CrazyClocks available at nova Remind available at ftp.uu.net Thanks to all those who responded. Cheers - Jon -- Jon Haveman ,_~o Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, Purdue University jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (*)/'(*) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home) (317) 494-6156 (Office) (317) 494-9658 (Fax)
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cross compiling to the 486 Message-ID: <1993Apr20.204745.159076@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 20 Apr 93 20:47:45 GMT References: <9304161903.AA26311@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <9304161903.AA26311@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net> bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu writes: > > Previously : > > >> In article <1993Apr6.051105.16419@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> (slugg > >> jello) writes: > Anybody know whether with NeXTSTEP 3.1 we'll be > >> able to use our Motorola NeXT > hardware to cross-compile for the > >> 486 NeXTSTEP environment? > > Thanks. > -- > Doug Kent > Mouthing > >> Flowers, Inc. > slugg@mouthers.wa.com > >> > >> --I am doubtful that itt will. We have both NexTStep and NS/FIP. We > >> have all this great great software for the Next, and we can not use > >> it for NS/FIP. I understand that it is because they are two > >> different platforms, so I think that they will not cross compile. > >> *********************************************************************** > > Not being a programmer I am loathe to speak up on this matter, > but I heard Jobs at a recent BaNG meeting, and > but I believe the last statement is mistaken. If I understood > Jobs correctly, under 3.1 (NS/I _or_ NS/M) the compiler > generates a fat binary. This binary runs on either machine. > He said that platform-specific code adds about 100K to app > size, i.e. the one Mb app for NS/M is actually 1.1 Mb and > runs on both Intel and Motorola machines. Certainly, compiling > under 3.0 won't make a NS/I-compatible app. Under 3.1, > I'm _certain_ it will. This is an important point. This is what cross-compiling is; under NS 3.1 you can generate a fat binary with a compile flag. I believe that the 100K figure is incorrect. The concensus is 20% - 30% of a program is hardware specific and thus will be duplicated for each machine that is specified for cross-compile. For those worried about size you can stip out the platforms you dont want. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: REVIEW of NeXTSTEP for Intel Beta - p. 24 PCWeek April 5, 1993 Message-ID: <1993Apr20.210234.164042@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 20 Apr 93 21:02:34 GMT References: <1993Apr17.001225.19061@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Distribution: na Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo > I feel that NeXT > has been very good to edu users in the past (except for having inept > "campus consultants" as sales people, another of their marketing > oddities). > This is an odd comment. Mabey you had bad experience with CCs but as far as I am concerned the vast majority are (or were) great people and an asset to NeXT. CCs are not ment so much as sales people but student reps. At least a tour campus we had a sales person who was assigned to our school. In case you are not aware Apple and IBM both have equivalents to NeXTs CCs. -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Standard Dvorak keymapping that handles CAP LOCK on sonata Message-ID: <1993Apr20.210440.164767@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 20 Apr 93 21:04:40 GMT References: <66613@mimsy.umd.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <66613@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: > The file Dvorak.keymapping.Z is on sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/submissions > > here is the readme file > > this is an ANSI standard Dvorak key mapping > (or actually a very close approximation with <> keys as shifted ,.) > > It is an improvement over the dvorak.keymapping in > the 2.0/misc directory because THE CAP LOCK WORKS CORRECTLY > > It was produced using the rekmap program by Derek Bennett > Though it did inherit the correct CAP LOCK incantation > from Derek, it doesnt use his mutated dvorak layout. Does anyone know of a source for a Davorak overlay? I've been meaning to learn but haven't gotten around to it yet. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Tony_Wosnjuk@Novell.COM Subject: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Message-ID: <C5t0s7.1E0@Novell.COM> Sender: usenet@Novell.COM (Usenet News) Organization: Novell, Inc. Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 22:50:30 GMT Is there a simple address book type program for NeXT? I know there is, but I don't remember where it is. Thanks for any info.
From: tiggr@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Who looks after sonata? Date: 20 Apr 1993 17:23:13 GMT Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands Message-ID: <1r1bi1$2js@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1993Apr19.103223.6282@xexos.com> In article <1993Apr19.103223.6282@xexos.com> mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) writes: >It would be nice if we could find an ftp site, or >set of sites, with mirrored trees, in organised >directories. Try ftp.stack.urc.tue.nl. >It would be nice if someone would also take >the time to document what all the programs are/did. Are you volunteering? --Tiggr
From: tiggr@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WEIRD behaviour (and I mean WEIRD) Date: 20 Apr 1993 17:24:44 GMT Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands Message-ID: <1r1bks$2jt@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1993Apr20.154202.20002@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> In article <1993Apr20.154202.20002@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge) writes: > Anybody ever had a similar experience? Any cure other than rebooting? > Why did it happen? Yes. No. You pressed the button at some critical moment during booting. --Tiggr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: roberto@softDesign.COM (Roberto Arrocha) Subject: COMDEX Message-ID: <1993Apr20.195128.16339@softDesign.COM> Keywords: COMDEX Sender: roberto@softDesign.COM Organization: SoftDesign, Inc. Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 19:51:28 GMT Any info on whether any of the hardware vendors with NS offerings are planning to exhibit their hardware with NS3.1 at COMDEX Spring, to be held in Atlanta? What is the number to reach COMDEX organizers? Thanks. -- Roberto
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,alt.etext,alt.internet.services,comp.infosystems.gopher From: riddle@is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Subject: Legality of webster services based on the NeXT dictionary? Message-ID: <C5t16s.7x7@rice.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.etext Sender: news@rice.edu (News) Organization: Ministry of Information, William's Marsh Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 22:59:16 GMT This is certainly a frequently asked question but I can't find an answer in a FAQ file anywhere, so: What is the legality of using the NeXT dictionary for a campus-wide "webster" service? Background: there is software available which can use the "webster" protocol to serve out the Merriam-Webster Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary (1988) which comes with NeXTstep 2.0. I've heard various rumors about the legality of doing this. Unfortunately the Webster.app software on the NeXT itself doesn't clarify whether the NeXTstep license allows or disallows it. I'm hoping someone out there can tell me for sure. (Note that the Merriam-Webster which comes with NeXTstep is *not* the same as the 1963 Merriam-Webster 7th Collegiate which is also commonly used with "webster" servers. According to repeated assertions on the net, the 1963 M-W is an escapee from a research project and is *not* legal for general use outside a few universities where M-W licensed it.) (And in order to avoid a lot of questions: the software to do this is available via anonymous ftp from sutro.sfsu.edu, among other places. The server is "NeXT-websterd.shar" and the generic client is "webster.tar.Z". Note that I do *not* recommend that anyone try this without clarifying the legality of it first.) So, if you've got the definitive word from NeXT or Merriam-Webster, please reply *by mail* and I will summarize. Thanks. -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- Unix Systems Programmer, Office of Networking and Computing Systems -- Rice University, POB 1892, Houston, TX 77251 / Mudd 208 / 713-285-5327 -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stelios@chios.dorm.Virginia.EDU (Stelios Makrinos) Subject: Intel GX Workstation Message-ID: <C5t3sp.8L9@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 23:55:37 GMT I read the information about this workstation and wanted to know if anyone had the price of this machine configured as a 16/400. I also wanted to know if anyone knows the current cheapest price of an NEC 5FG or 6FG monitor. Thanks for the info, Stelios Makrinos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) Subject: Re: WEIRD behaviour (and I mean WEIRD) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 00:52:24 GMT Message-ID: <timm.735353544@zaphod> References: <1993Apr20.154202.20002@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> <1r1bks$2jt@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana tiggr@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.154202.20002@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> >andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge) writes: >> Anybody ever had a similar experience? Any cure other than rebooting? >> Why did it happen? >Yes. No. You pressed the button at some critical moment during booting. Ditto. -- Tim McClarren | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks." timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu|
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WEIRD behaviour (and I mean WEIRD) Date: 21 Apr 1993 01:19:03 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r27e7INNc3t@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Apr20.154202.20002@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> In article <1993Apr20.154202.20002@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge) writes: |> Last night, after rearranging my office (and having turned off my NeXT |> workstation), I wanted to reboot just before leaving so I could get some |> mail overnight. Usually when I leave, I always dim the screen (using |> the keyboard key) to the maximum. I was in a hurry, so I tried to |> do that while the computer was booting. It started dimming, then became |> bright again, so I kept pressing on the brighness key until the booting |> process was over and left. |> |> This morning, when returning, I tried to increase the brightness level |> from the keyboard. Nothing happened. I closed the door to my office, |> shut off the lights, closed the curtains and managed to see the login |> panel (barely). I logged on, started preference (not easy to find |> the cursor in those conditions) and managed to find the slider to adjust |> brightness. I moved it and, as expected, the brightness increased. |> |> [so what you say...] |> |> As I let go the slider, it went right back to its minimum value. I tried again |> and the same thing happened. Nothing I could do would make it stick and |> my screen stubbornly stayed dim.... I started sweating, pressed on the |> power key, hit return and hoped for the best. Upon rebooting, everything |> was fine (save for my stress level). |> |> Anybody ever had a similar experience? Any cure other than rebooting? |> Why did it happen? |> |> Andre Roberge |> Laurentian University |> I would guess you caused the dim key to jam such that it wasn't till the keyboard was powered down that it released. Well it seams like a likely explanation. john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Subject: UPDATE: DESKTOP 2.1 Message-ID: <1993Apr21.062008.2601@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: sieu@cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 06:20:08 GMT Sorry but I just discovered that one of the postscript help files, "Quick/Start/A Gadget tieing & fronting" does not have the ".ps" file extension. This causes Desktop to intepret it as a help subdirectory. This problem can be rectified after the installation of Desktop.app by carrying out the following 2-step procedures: (1) Select the "Desktop.app" in a File Viewer and open it as a folder by pressing Command-Shift-O (2) Then, rename Desktop.app/help/QuickStart/A Gadget tieing & fronting to Desktop.app/help/QuickStart/A Gadget tieing & fronting.ps (because it is a postscript file) A rectified copy of Desktop2.1.tar is available now at garbo.uwasa.fi in /next/demo. (I just checked). The checksum and length of this rectified Desktop2.1.tar are: >>% sum Desktop2.1.tar >>16041 984 >>% ls -l Desktop2.1.tar >>-rw-r--r-- 1 sieu 1007616 Apr 20 17:14 Desktop2.1.tar Aill demo floppies that are postmarked on and after Apr 20th will contain the rectified Desktop2.1. (Receipents of the original Desktop 2.1.tar will be notified to make the change.) Sorry for the inconvenience caused and taking up the bandwidth. By the way, I am very keen in porting Desktop.app to the intel platform. And I will immediately buy a PC to start the port if someone could give me a copy of Intel NeXTstep (beta version). Lastly, all NeXT users are eligible to receive a free Desktop demo floppy. I will make sure that there is enough to circulate around. Johnson Sieu sieu@cory.berkeley.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 00:38:55 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93111.003855U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Who looks after sonata? References: <1993Apr19.103223.6282@xexos.com> <66722@mimsy.umd.edu> One of the finest archives I have ever used is ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de - a German machine called peanuts. Absolutely incredible - very well organized, with directories for all major categories (Music, Games, ...) and directories for both new submissions of the last week and new submissions of the last two weeks. This is one of a set of mirrored sites (I can't recall the names of the other machines, but that is available from peanuts). You have to try it! -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu (NeXTmail) P.S. BTW - Please send me any/all suggestions/ideas/requests/demands for an archive. (I am helping in the process of creating one right now.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: larrie@beaufort.sfu.ca (Larrie Simon Carr) Subject: Looking for Commercial Fortran for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Apr21.071029.11406@sfu.ca> Keywords: Fortran Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 07:10:29 GMT I am looking for a *commercial* Fortran compiler for the NeXT. It would be nice if the compiler had a option for linking in assembler code. (I already know about the f2c program. However, this does not suit the staff member I am trying to support. He does not trust C and hates how the linkage between functions is done). Any information would be great. Thanks. -- Larrie Carr larrie@sfu.ca MicroElectronics and Sensors Group School of Engineering Science
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Anybody got NewsGrazer compiled for NS/Intel? Message-ID: <C5toux.Eq0@utstat.toronto.edu> Keywords: BlastApp Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Apr15.161116.6263@rpslmc.edu> <1r199d$af@rosie.next.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 07:30:33 GMT In article <1r199d$af@rosie.next.com> Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) writes: [ ] > >Ok, ok, twist my arm. A multi-architecture version of BlastApp is available >on sonata.cc.purdue.edu as BlastAppV4.tar.Z. It will run under NEXTSTEP 3.0 >or 3.1. It's currently in the pub/next/submissions directory. Hmm...it doesn't seem to be there. Anywhere else? It's really neat. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: Alarm Clock software - does it exist as shareware? Message-ID: <1993Apr21.051439.3056@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <C5stH9.1Hu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 05:14:39 GMT In article <C5stH9.1Hu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: > In article <1993Apr20.135740.1461@afs.com> Gregory_Mutzel@afs.com writes: > > In article <C5qyHr.1yo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu > > (Jon Haveman) writes: > > > I'm looking for a public domain/shareware alarm clock > > > for my NeXT. Does one exist? > > Its not shareware, but its not expensive. Check out TimeFlies. Its on sonata and orst. -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
From: dwestner@don.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Who looks after sonata? Date: 21 Apr 1993 10:56:08 GMT Organization: Maths & C.S. Dept., Dundee University, Scotland, UK Message-ID: <1r3988$e1m@dux.dundee.ac.uk> References: <93111.003855U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> U54876@uicvm.uic.edu wrote: : One of the finest archives I have ever used is ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de - : a German machine called peanuts. Absolutely incredible - very well organized, : with directories for all major categories (Music, Games, ...) and directories : for both new submissions of the last week and new submissions of the last two : weeks. This is one of a set of mirrored sites (I can't recall the names of the : other machines, but that is available from peanuts). : You have to try it! : -tom nawara : nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu (NeXTmail) : P.S. BTW - Please send me any/all suggestions/ideas/requests/demands for an : archive. (I am helping in the process of creating one right now.) I can just join in to that comment about ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de It's really good, but recently I coudn't log in with anonymous. Don't know what happened: user anonymous unknown . Dominik
From: dwestner@don.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIDI executive summary requested Date: 21 Apr 1993 10:59:37 GMT Organization: Maths & C.S. Dept., Dundee University, Scotland, UK Distribution: comp Message-ID: <1r39ep$e1m@dux.dundee.ac.uk> References: <RAIBLE.93Apr20124454@win57.nas.nasa.gov> Eric Raible (raible@nas.nasa.gov) wrote: : I'm interested in the minimal effort path to hook up my MIDI keyboard : to my nextstation. : I'd like to use the slab as a sequencer at least, but perhaps more - I : have no idea what software is out there. : I'd rather not get into any programming yet - I already do enough of : that. : I assume that I'll need some sort of cable, so pointers to a good : source in the bay area would be appreciated. : I'm willing to spend some $$$ for really killer software, but I'd : prefer public domain. : Please respond with email if possible : Thanks for any help - : Eric (raible@nas.nasa.gov) I 'm interested, too. So if you could post a summary that would be great. (My brothers picking on my nerves for ages to get his midi keyboard connected to the NeXT, but I simply haven't got the time to look around for some decent software.) Dominik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: d89cb@efd.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) Subject: NS/FIP Hardware Compatibility List Message-ID: <1993Apr21.124810.12398@lth.se> Sender: news@lth.se Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:48:10 GMT Where can I get the latest version of this document ? I have the one from 5 feb 93, and I was wondering if there's anything newer than that available ? best regards // Christian Brunschen -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ // Christian Brunschen // Husmansv. 26 // S - 227 38 Lund // Sweden // // voice/fax# +46 (0)46 139345 // internet d89cb@efd.lth.se // // // irc: snooker Senster gcb // PGP 2.2 Public Key available ------++
From: tpg+@rchland.ibm.com (Terry Gliedt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ignore this test Date: 21 Apr 1993 09:31:01 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <IfpJYyL02Uc1JA68Vv@rchland.ibm.com> Sorry for the intrusion - but I need to prove this works.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: frederek@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Frederek Althoff) Subject: Looking out for FAQ and CSN Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <C5u8At.51v@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:30:28 GMT Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet. I'm searching for the latest versions of the CSN archive (e.g. CSN-91 and CSN-92) and of FAQ archives. So where may I find them (ftp-server) and what is their name? Ciao Frederek -- Frederek Althoff frederek@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: seungwoo@peca.cs.umn.edu (Seung-Woo Kim) Subject: rnews in emacs Message-ID: <seungwoo.735403290@peca> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Distribution: na Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:41:30 GMT I am trying to read news in emacs, but it doesn't seem to work very well. I have .newsrc file in my home directory that I copied from school. When I M-x rnews, it keeps saying no news is good news... I tried other news readers for NS, but reading over the slip line is painful. Could anybody tell me how to set this up? I didn't specify NNTP server because I don't know how to for emacs, perhaps that's why? Thanks in advance. Seung-Woo
From: srosie@umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WEIRD behaviour (and I mean WEIRD) Date: 21 Apr 1993 17:16:21 GMT Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Message-ID: <1r3vh5$m3a@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <1993Apr20.154202.20002@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> Originator: srosie@dante.ccs.itd.umich.edu [stuff deleted about mysteriously dimming screen] Yep, this happened to me too. It seemed that the machine was getting a key repeat from the dimming key. BTW, I have an '040 cube with 8 megs, and am running NS 2.0. -rosie
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cross compiling to the 486 Date: 20 Apr 1993 18:48:05 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <1r1gh5$f3@rosie.next.com> References: <9304161903.AA26311@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net> In article <9304161903.AA26311@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net> bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu writes: > > Previously : > > >> In article <1993Apr6.051105.16419@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> (slugg > >> jello) writes: > Anybody know whether with NeXTSTEP 3.1 we'll be > >> able to use our Motorola NeXT > hardware to cross-compile for the > >> 486 NeXTSTEP environment? > > Thanks. > -- > Doug Kent > Mouthing > >> Flowers, Inc. > slugg@mouthers.wa.com > >> > >> --I am doubtful that itt will. We have both NexTStep and NS/FIP. We > >> have all this great great software for the Next, and we can not use > >> it for NS/FIP. I understand that it is because they are two > >> different platforms, so I think that they will not cross compile. The developer release of NS3.1 on both architectures has the ability to cross compile and to generate "fat" executables. from the command line simply: cc -arch i386 -arch m68k foo.c -o foo will make a fat foo executable. Naturally there's a switch in Project Builder that lets you compile your apps fat or for another architecture as well. However, this does mean that apps have to actually be compiled. You seemed to be hoping that you could run the same executables from your 68k machine on your 486. While you can't do that, recompiling on a 486 or cross compiling from the source is usually a painless process. Erik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,alt.etext,comp.sys.next.software,alt.internet.services,comp.infosystems.gopher From: riddle@is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Subject: Re: Legality of webster services based on the NeXT dictionary? Message-ID: <C5uKD2.IH6@rice.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@rice.edu (News) Organization: Ministry of Information, William's Marsh References: <C5t16s.7x7@rice.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 18:51:02 GMT In article <C5t16s.7x7@rice.edu> riddle@is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) writes: > What is the legality of using the NeXT dictionary for a campus-wide > "webster" service? > > Background: there is software available which can use the "webster" > protocol to serve out the Merriam-Webster Ninth New Collegiate > Dictionary (1988) which comes with NeXTstep 2.0. I've heard various > rumors about the legality of doing this. Unfortunately the Webster.app > software on the NeXT itself doesn't clarify whether the NeXTstep > license allows or disallows it. I'm hoping someone out there can tell > me for sure. > > (Note that the Merriam-Webster which comes with NeXTstep is *not* the > same as the 1963 Merriam-Webster 7th Collegiate which is also commonly > used with "webster" servers. According to repeated assertions on the > net, the 1963 M-W is an escapee from a research project and is *not* > legal for general use outside a few universities where M-W licensed > it.) Good news: I called 1-800-848-NeXT and spoke with Amber Ramies, who assured me that as long as I "just don't copy the dictionary from the machine" where it is licensed I can do what I want. I asked if this included running a server on the machine and directing dictionary queries against it from elsewhere on campus and she said fine, no problem. So, net rumor to the contrary, it looks as though NeXT gives a green light to running webster servers based on the NeXT Merriam-Webster. Again, the software to do this is available via anonymous ftp from sutro.sfsu.edu, among other places. The server is "NeXT-websterd.shar" and the generic Unix client is "webster.tar.Z". -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- Unix Systems Programmer, Office of Networking and Computing Systems -- Rice University, POB 1892, Houston, TX 77251 / Mudd 208 / 713-285-5327 -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stabl@antigone.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Robert Stabl) Subject: Re: Who looks after sonata? Message-ID: <1993Apr21.211429.14483@antigone.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Sender: stabl@antigone.ppp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen References: <1r3988$e1m@dux.dundee.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 21:14:29 GMT In article <1r3988$e1m@dux.dundee.ac.uk> dwestner@don.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) writes: > I can just join in to that comment about ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de > It's really good, but recently I coudn't log in with anonymous. > > Don't know what happened: user anonymous unknown . First, thanks for the fish. The problem is fixed now. On Tuesday we were moving the archive to a new machine (same name but different IP address). Robert. -- Robert Stabl email: stabl@informatik.uni-muenchen.de Computer Science Institute Tel: +(49) 89 2180 6316 University of Munich FAX: +(49) 89 2180 6310 Leopoldstr. 11B "Wer die Wahrheit nicht weiss, der ist bloss ein D-8000 Muenchen 40 Dummkopf. Aber wer sie weiss und sie eine Luege Germany nennt, der ist ein Verbrecher!" B.Brecht,"Galileo"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane) Subject: GNU Smalltalk 1.1.1 Binaries sought Message-ID: <C5v567.H9n@newsflash.concordia.ca> Sender: usenet@newsflash.concordia.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 02:20:30 GMT Hello Folks! I'm looking for a set of GNU Smalltalk Binaries that run under 3.0, but certainlly weren't compiled under 3.0, as it seems to be impossible. My two attemptes failed, and according to gnu.smalltalk.bug, that's the general gist of it. So please, could a good samaritan upload to cs.orst.edu or sonnata a set of binaries for Smalltalk. I'm learning the language through the Smalltalk tuorial, and have been very taken by it. I like the ploding methodology ... after I'm done with this, I may finally get time to finish my Garfinkel&Mahoney book and code in ObjC. In the meantime, I'll keep using my DGUX compiled edition, which "seems" to work ok ... ( I'm having a strange bug related to a tutorial example) +---------------------------------+ ___ ___ ___ | Stephane I. Matis | / \_BATLLETECH /\__\ Viva NeXT! | E-Mail : kgnome@cs.concordia.ca | \___/ \___/ \/__/ NeXTSTEP 3.0! | "It Just Works..." - Steve Jobs | \___/ +---------------------------------+ Wolfnet Operative & NeXThead
From: wfischer@ac.dal.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Digital Librarian index trouble Message-ID: <1993Apr21.230105.13068@ac.dal.ca> Date: 21 Apr 93 23:01:05 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Got problems with Digital Librarian: Sometimes when I start it up, the indices have vanished from the icons on my shelf, though they're still in the directories. The "i" is missing from the button on the icon, and DL won't find things that I know are in the files. The .index.store files exist, and I have read permission on them, though not write. It's only the directories I don't personally have write permissions on (i.e. Shakespeare, Unix man pages, etc. -- the stuff in /NextLibrary) that this happens. I can update each index, but ... If I drag in the icons from the places they live, that makes it all better. Again, big pain! One other clue (maybe): the Shakespeare icon is smaller when I drag it in (and the index is there) than when I start up DL again. Any clues? I'm running NS 3.0 on a mono, turbo, non-ADB station. Tell me I'm doing some simple, stupid thing ... -- Will Fischer Nooooo signature!
From: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Lipman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Call for presentations: Navy SciViz/VR seminar Message-ID: <34694@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 22 Apr 93 02:58:13 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD ********************************************************************** 2ND CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NAVY SCIENTIFIC VISUALIZATION AND VIRTUAL REALITY SEMINAR Tuesday, June 22, 1993 Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (formerly the David Taylor Research Center) Bethesda, Maryland ********************************************************************** SPONSOR: NESS (Navy Engineering Software System) is sponsoring a one-day Navy Scientific Visualization and Virtual Reality Seminar. The purpose of the seminar is to present and exchange information for Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality programs, research, developments, and applications. PRESENTATIONS: Presentations are solicited on all aspects of Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality. All current work, works-in-progress, and proposed work by Navy organizations will be considered. Four types of presentations are available. 1. Regular presentation: 20-30 minutes in length 2. Short presentation: 10 minutes in length 3. Video presentation: a stand-alone videotape (author need not attend the seminar) 4. Scientific visualization or virtual reality demonstration (BYOH) Accepted presentations will not be published in any proceedings, however, viewgraphs and other materials will be reproduced for seminar attendees. ABSTRACTS: Authors should submit a one page abstract and/or videotape to: Robert Lipman Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division Code 2042 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 VOICE (301) 227-3618; FAX (301) 227-5753 E-MAIL lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil Authors should include the type of presentation, their affiliations, addresses, telephone and FAX numbers, and addresses. Multi-author papers should designate one point of contact. ********************************************************************** DEADLINES: The abstact submission deadline is April 30, 1993. Notification of acceptance will be sent by May 14, 1993. Materials for reproduction must be received by June 1, 1993. ********************************************************************** For further information, contact Robert Lipman at the above address. ********************************************************************** PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE, THANKS. ********************************************************************** Robert Lipman | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil David Taylor Model Basin - CDNSWC | or: lip@ocean.dt.navy.mil Computational Signatures and | Voicenet: (301) 227-3618 Structures Group, Code 2042 | Factsnet: (301) 227-5753 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 | Phishnet: stockings@long.legs The sixth sick shiek's sixth sheep's sick.
From: bense@heart4.ucsd.edu (Booker C. Bense) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Legality of webster services based on the NeXT dictionary? Message-ID: <2561@deadmin.ucsd.edu> Date: 22 Apr 93 04:22:42 GMT References: <C5t16s.7x7@rice.edu> <C5uKD2.IH6@rice.edu> Sender: news@deadmin.ucsd.edu Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD In article <C5uKD2.IH6@rice.edu> riddle@is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) writes: >In article <C5t16s.7x7@rice.edu> riddle@is.rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) writes: >> What is the legality of using the NeXT dictionary for a campus-wide >> "webster" service? >Good news: I called 1-800-848-NeXT and spoke with Amber Ramies, who >assured me that as long as I "just don't copy the dictionary from the >machine" where it is licensed I can do what I want. I asked if this >included running a server on the machine and directing dictionary >queries against it from elsewhere on campus and she said fine, no >problem. - Strange, I asked them about this a over a year ago and was told explictly that "running a webster server" was NOT LEGAL. Well, I guess it's not the first time we've heard two different stories from NeXT. P.S. Will the stuff at sutro run under 3.0 ? I was under the impression that it wouldn't. - Booker C. Bense "News, News, It's long, It's ASCII?, prefered: benseb@grumpy.sdsc.edu It's Wood. News, News, It's better NeXT Mail: benseb@next.sdsc.edu than bad, It's Good!" Ren&Stimpy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) Subject: C-News for NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr22.053629.710@eps.com> Sender: steve@eps.com Organization: Electronic Publishing Services Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 05:36:29 GMT Does anyone know if the current version of C-News for the NeXT is compatible with NSI?. And if not, where can I find the latest version. steve@eps.com
From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Unmoderated comp.sys.next.announce !! Date: 22 Apr 1993 07:06:15 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r5g57$pj8@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <1993Apr21.2743.5705@dosgate> "jana" <jana@canrem.com> writes: >c.s.n.announce looks like dead, so I am posting it here. The >dead line for submission is Monday if you need more time please >call me.<JAY> It seems that everyone is doing that now. Why can't COMP.SYS.NEXT.ANNOUNCE be an unmoderated group? It looks like, despite possibly the best efforts by the moderator, we are not getting announcement in a timely manner. The way it is, it is pretty much a dead and useless group. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $BBg_78^=;(B ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTmail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Dolphin Technologies Begins NeXTSTEP Project [correction] [PR] Message-ID: <1993Apr22.054827.1359@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 05:48:27 GMT Press Release Dolphin Technologies Inc. Begins OPES II Project Los Angeles County Sheriff Department Information Management System Contact: Norman B. Furlong Dolphin Technologies Inc. 10329 Viretta Lane Beverly Glen, CA 90077 February 5, 1993 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA--Dolphin Software, consulting group of Dolphin Technologies Inc. and a leading systems integration group developed a partnership with the intent of pursuing leading edge NeXT Computer software development. In late January, 1993, Dolphin Software and a third party began development of the OPES II project at the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department. The system will consist of an integrated database built on ORACLE and will track information such as citizen commendations and complaints, internal affairs investigations, use of force, officer involved shootings, civil litigations, discovery motions, citizens comments and various other factors associated with the performance of Sheriff's Department personnel. Operating on powerful NeXT workstations, users will be able to perform complex queries using sophisticated reporting and query tools to produce timely, useful, consistent and accurate information. Scheduled for completion this autumn, the system will enhance the Los Angeles Sheriff Department's management oversight functions by providing a department-wide integrated database for executive and management users--replacing islands of computerization and written files. "This system will help us ensure the delivery of the highest quality law enforcement services to the community and in defending against spurious lawsuits against our personnel," said Sherman Block, Sheriff of Los Angeles County. "OPES II is an excellent project for Dolphin Software--we hope that many projects will follow from this work in the future," stated Norman B. Furlong, Principal, Dolphin Technologies Inc. "Our partnership and the development of the OPES II project are both strong indications that NeXT continues to be an excellent choice in developing new software--we are very pleased to continue our commitment to this platform," added Zacharias J. Beckman, founder of the company. Dolphin Software is a consulting group, organized under Dolphin Technologies Inc., dedicated to the NeXT Computer platform for the development of leading-edge mission critical application. Dolphin Technologies employs premier personnel to achieve the highest in quality standards. Specializing in Object Oriented Development, specifically Information Management and Document Management, the company plans to expand rapidly as the demand for Object Oriented systems increases. Dolphin Technologies Inc. and Dolphin Software are headquartered in Beverly Glen, California. The company performs systems engineering, mission critical development, and object oriented consulting services. For additional information contact Norman B. Furlong at 800-843-0328; electronic mail can be directed to info@dolphin.com. -- END -- -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Software Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - use NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
From: glenn@iridium.digex.net (Glenn Rempe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IRC Client Binaries Wanted Date: 22 Apr 1993 06:20:03 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r5dej$arc@news1.digex.net> Keywords: IRC Hi, I am looking for a binary IRC client that I can set up on my NeXTstation (Still valid spelling?) without to much trouble. Any pointers would be appreciated! Thanks, Glenn -- GLENN D. REMPE (NeXTMAIL) glenn@iridium.digex.net 900 North Stafford St., #2017 Arlington, VA 22203-1849 Voice: (703) 276-2350 FAX: (703) 243-4398
From: ti@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Matthias Kloas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Puzzle Date: 22 Apr 1993 08:41:31 GMT Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Message-ID: <1r5lnr$h4b@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Dirk Schwarzhans writes: > I have tried to submit my PD game programme to sonata.cc.purdue.edu > twice -- without success. The programme is available > on the german server "ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de". The programme > consists of the two files "Puzzle_1.0.english.README" and > "Puzzle_1.0.tar.z" in the directory "/pub/next/games/". 'Well, doing a puzzle on a computer is a rather strange thing.' At least I thought that until I tried to play Puzzle. This program -i would not really call it a game- is really a nice piece of work. Joining the tiles works very smoothly, almost alike to a real puzzle. I would really counsel all of you who like puzzles to try it. If you do, pay attention to a bug I've found: Puzzle crashes, if you try to open a tiff that too small. The panel mentions that you have to choose tiffs above 180*180 pixels, but who reads help-texts? There are some features that could enhance Puzzle: Most of all, i need a possibility to save puzzles. Contrary to Dirk, I find large (huge ;-) ) images suitable for playing. But it is really annoying, if you have to abandon a half finished work after several hours. For such rather large images it would be nice to see everything at once, i. e. i am looking for a zoom-function. Perhaps this could be something for a future version? Bye, Matthias
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next.com in c.s.n.* Message-ID: <58.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 21:43:19 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA I've noticed quite a few responses lately from various folks at "the mother ship", after various flames about them not following the threads. Coincidence? Just wanted to say that I don't think so, and I appreciate their taking the time to make that effort. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: conway@trade.enet.dec.com (Mark Conway) Subject: Can't eject Mac/DOS floppies Message-ID: <1993Apr22.142413.17083@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Marlboro, MA Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 14:24:13 GMT I can eject NeXT floppies, but the Disk Eject menu is greyed when I insert a Mac or DOS-formatted disk. Dragging to the Recycler does nothing. Any ideas? Thanks - Mark
From: "Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Presentation Sftwre-Opinions? Recommendations? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 11:33:10 -0400 Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <ofpfeq200iMFI1IUdg@andrew.cmu.edu> Greetings! My project is in need of HyperMedia/Presentation software... something that takes advantage of all the bells n' whistles a NeXTStation Color Turbo can provide. We are required to give presentations along-side vendors like Apple and Microsoft. Needless to say, the competition is fierce. I have the Software and Peripherals catalog from last Winter, and MediaStation looks pretty good. But it seems to require a NeXT Dimension to be fully operational. There are also several packages in the "release pending..." section that seem promising. Opionions? Reviews? Thanks in Advance! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |Jeremy Mereness | Support | Ye Olde Disclaimer: | |zonker+@cmu.edu (internet) | Free | The above represent my| | FAST Project, CMU-GSIA | Software| opinions, alone. | |B.S. Mechanical Engineering, CMU| | Ya Gotta Love It. | | Every Silver Lining's Got a Touch of Grey | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This year marks the 200th anniversary of the Bill of Rights
From: arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: printing from Mac to NeXT Message-ID: <122173@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 22 Apr 93 15:23:36 GMT References: <10011@ceylon.gte.com> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu In article <10011@ceylon.gte.com> rs05@gte.com (Russ Sasnett) writes: > how can I print transparently from a Mac > to a NeXT, such that the NeXT shows up in > the Mac's Chooser panel? > The easiest and cheapest way is to get an lpr client for the Mac. The best is probably from Intercon, though not necessarily cheap... This requires no additional software on the NeXT. -- Mr. Noam Arzt 215/898-3029 (voice) Director, Special Projects 215/898-9348 (FAX) University of Pennsylvania arzt@dccs.upenn.edu Data Communications & Computing Services (NeXTmail is OK) Suite 221A, 3401 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104
From: arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: printing from Mac to NeXT Message-ID: <122174@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 22 Apr 93 15:23:52 GMT References: <10011@ceylon.gte.com> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Distribution: usa In article <10011@ceylon.gte.com> rs05@gte.com (Russ Sasnett) writes: > how can I print transparently from a Mac > to a NeXT, such that the NeXT shows up in > the Mac's Chooser panel? > The easiest and cheapest way is to get an lpr client for the Mac. The best is probably from Intercon, though not necessarily cheap... This requires no additional software on the NeXT. -- Mr. Noam Arzt 215/898-3029 (voice) Director, Special Projects 215/898-9348 (FAX) University of Pennsylvania arzt@dccs.upenn.edu Data Communications & Computing Services (NeXTmail is OK) Suite 221A, 3401 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: vrr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (veenu.r.rashid) Subject: Help! crashing multiple plot views Organization: AT&T Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 16:10:13 GMT Message-ID: <C5w7L4.AzE@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> Followup-To: poster Keywords: NXYView, multiple views, crash I'm trying to build a time-based simulation using multiple views to draw the graph at different steps of time. However, if I use more than one view, the program crashes. I'm using NXYView palette (off of the monoLib CD) and I've had no problem using this with one and three views. Currently I'm doing 9, and the program crashes after 8 views have been refreshed. I changed the code to comment out the last view (the 9th one), thinking ok, it'll crash after the 8th one now. Instead, the program crashes after the _second_ one now... This makes me think it's a NS memory problem. What is the proper procedure to allocate enough memory for multiple views? In this case, they are all delegated to one object, with separate controller instances. Please email me if you can help or have any suggestions. Thanks very much, Veenu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: WEIRD behaviour (and I mean WEIRD) Message-ID: <1993Apr21.115431.1245@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X References: <1993Apr20.154202.20002@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 11:54:31 GMT In article <1993Apr20.154202.20002@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge) writes: > > Anybody ever had a similar experience? Any cure other than rebooting? > Why did it happen? Don't touch the brightness-keys during boot. Brightness is adjusted during boot time, so if you play with the keys, the adjustment would fail. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Danek Duvall) Subject: MetaFont and /bin/sh Message-ID: <1993Apr22.185505.751@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 18:55:05 GMT Distribution: world,local Organization: Washington & Lee University Got a problem. I downloaded some MF files, and I want to compile them, and store them (for the time being) in my home directory structure to try them out. To make the things batchwise, I copied MakeTeXPK from /usr/bin, and modified it to put the pk files in the right directory, and also to store the .tfm files. However, the thing snags when one of the .mf files inputs another. It screams bloody murder. I tried setting the MFINPUT variable in the script file, but it doesn't seem to help. Here are the most important parts of the script: #!/bin/sh # TEXDIR=/usr/lib/tex LOCALDIR=~/Library/lib/tex/fonts DESTDIR=$LOCALDIR/pk TFMDESTDIR=$LOCALDIR/tfm INPUTDIR=`pwd` MFINPUT=.:/usr/lib/mf/inputs:$INPUTDIR export MFINPUT # NAME=$1 DPI=$2 BDPI=$3 MAG=$4 MODE=$5 # mf "\mode=$MODE; \mag=magstep($MAG); input $NAME" </dev/null # . . . exit 0 Almost everything else is just like the one in /usr/bin. So -- what's wrong? Am I handling the setting of MFINPUT right? Is mf just not reading it right? I can't figure this out at all. I'm fairly new at script writing, so I'd appreciate explanations along with answers (if you've got 'em). Thanks, Danek Duvall -- Danek Duvall: Washington and Lee U. Internet: duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) Subject: Supported video cards under NSI? Message-ID: <C5wDp0.Kwo@ms.uky.edu> Organization: University of Kentucky Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 18:22:09 GMT Can anyone tell me (specifically) what ATI and S3 cards are supported under NSI (beta)? Ie, are the older ATI cards supported? What about S3? I know vl-bus or eisa is recommended, but will isa bus work (I don't see why it shouldn't.) Also, the pre-release indicates support for ET4000 (at least on Dell machines) at 1024x768x2bit greyscale. But I don't see a driver listed in the configure devices application. I have a local bus ET4K card. Basically, I would like to hold off purchasing a high-end graphics card until something better than the ultra pro comes along (not to slight it or anything, but I would like 16bit color at 1280x1024.) So I'd like to get something cheaper that can do at least 1024x768x2bit for now. (Question: does NS only support 16bit color, or will a 256 color mode work (either now or in the final release?)) For that matter, can one purchase a "jaws" video card separately (not as part of a system)? Thanks, -- --Mike Mills E-Mail: sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!sam --UK Math Sciences Dept. mike@ukpr.uky.edu --(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: printing from Mac to NeXT Message-ID: <C5wFG6.1LH@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <10011@ceylon.gte.com> <122174@netnews.upenn.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 19:00:05 GMT In article <122174@netnews.upenn.edu> arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) writes: >In article <10011@ceylon.gte.com> rs05@gte.com (Russ Sasnett) writes: >> how can I print transparently from a Mac >> to a NeXT, such that the NeXT shows up in >> the Mac's Chooser panel? >> > >The easiest and cheapest way is to get an lpr client for the Mac. The best is >probably from Intercon, though not necessarily cheap... This requires no >additional software on the NeXT. This should almost be a FAQ! The easiest way, in my opinion, is to buy uShare/uPrint from IPT. This will let you continue to operate as in MacLand. The NeXT printer shows up in the Chooser. The "published" hard drives show up on the Mac desktop. I do think the lpr client route is not the way to go. IPT's phone is (805)-541-3000. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: Lennart_Lovstrand@NeXT.COM Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: command line gif->tiff/ps converter needed! Date: 22 Apr 1993 22:58:49 -0700 Organization: NeXT Computer, Inc. Sender: lennart@vix.com Message-ID: <1r80ip$akg@gw.home.vix.com> References: <1993Apr20.060441.14037@news.acns.nwu.edu> In article <1993Apr20.060441.14037@news.acns.nwu.edu> jland@nwu.edu writes: > HELP! > I have a bunch of gif files I need converted to ps or tiff. > Where can I find a command line util to do this? > > Thanks! > -- > John Landwehr > jland@nwu.edu > > P.S. I would use ImageViewer except that a) it would take forever, and b) it > doesn't do a SAVE properly to TIFF format from GIF. John, There is a semi-documented command line binary called "image" that comes with the ImageViewer app. You should be able to use it to convert between any formats that ImageViewer knows about. The basic usage is: "image infile -o outfile". It will figure out the destination format from the outfile's filetype (eg. "image foo.gif -o foo.tiff" will create a TIFF file). If you have problems with the generated TIFF files, please let me know. Including sample images would be helpful. Cheers, --Lennart PS. Look out for a fat update of ImageViewer appearing on the archives soon!
From: slinnero@NMSU.edu (Steven T. Linnerooth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Calculators. Date: 23 Apr 1993 08:02:00 GMT Organization: New Mexico State University Message-ID: <1r87poINNkpt@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Are there any calculators out there in freebie land? Almost every time I get on a NeXT, I wish I had a calc program available. Thanks in advance... -- -Steve Linnerooth slinnero@nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: Color Printer Substitutes Wanted ???? Message-ID: <C5xppC.FH3@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Keywords: Canon, Brother, Seiko, Apple, Seiko, color, printers Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 11:39:11 GMT We have placed an order for two NeXT color printers with a third party that cannot get them after the recent changes in NeXT's strategy. (The quote was issued prior to the day of the "announcement"). So we are in desperate search with a substitute with similar specs and about the same price. So, Here are my questions for the neters : 1. Is it possible to make the "Canon BJC-820" with SCSI interface to run with the NeXT ? 2. I just read the "Apple" version of this printer does not run on the NeXT, but how about the "Citizen" version of it ? 3. Can one find the NeXT firmware for any of the above printers and use it on them? From which source ? Can one copy legally the NeXT firmware to use it on these printers ? 4. Does anybody have experience with the "Brother HS-1PS" inkjet color printer with the NeXT ? 5. Does anybody have experience with the "Seiko Personal ColorPoint SE" (thermal transfer color on ordinary media Postcript level 1.x compatible only) with the NeXT ? 6. If a color printer is compliant with a less than level 2.0 Postscript, how this is expected to effect the printing from a NeXT ? What percentage of 2.0 level calls is used for standard printing ? 7. Do you have ANY other suggestions for color postscript printers in the category of "draft quality" for the NeXT ? Please reply directly to me and I will summarize for the net. Thank's everybody, --john m. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Danek Duvall) Subject: Re: MetaFont and /bin/sh Message-ID: <1993Apr23.121808.26550@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 12:18:08 GMT Distribution: world,local References: <1993Apr22.185505.751@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Organization: Washington & Lee University I wrote: : Got a problem. I downloaded some MF files, and I want to compile them, and : store them (for the time being) in my home directory structure to try them : out. To make the things batchwise, I copied MakeTeXPK from /usr/bin, and : modified it to put the pk files in the right directory, and also to store : the .tfm files. However, the thing snags when one of the .mf files inputs : another. It screams bloody murder. I tried setting the MFINPUT variable in : the script file, but it doesn't seem to help. : Here are the most important parts of the script: : MFINPUT=.:/usr/lib/mf/inputs:$INPUTDIR : export MFINPUT : Almost everything else is just like the one in /usr/bin. So -- what's : wrong? Am I handling the setting of MFINPUT right? Is mf just not reading Ooops. the variable should be MFINPUTS. Thanks to Alois Steindl for pointing that out. Otherwise, sorry for the waste of bandwidth. Danek -- Danek Duvall: Washington and Lee U. Internet: duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.lang.postscript From: russ@psych.toronto.edu (Russell Sutherland) Subject: Converting from PS to EPSI using DPS Message-ID: <1993Apr23.123037.14338@psych.toronto.edu> Keywords: DPS,EPSI Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 12:25:50 GMT Has someone written a filter that takes hand crafted PS code and using DPS as a imaging agent generates a corresponding EPSI file? Doug Craybill's "pstoepsi" works quite nicely but only with Ghostscript and NeWS. Basically is there an easy way to get the bitmap of the image generated by DPS from some arbitrary PS code? Of course BoundingBox info would also be nice. -- Russell Sutherland Bell: (416)-978-5140 Office of the Faculty Registrar Uucp: ...utzoo!utas!russ Faculty of Arts and Science Internet: russ@artsci.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: laurent@planon.qc.ca (Laurent Daudelin) Subject: FTPMail Sites List? Message-ID: <1993Apr22.141909.10134@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: laurent@CAM.ORG!planon Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 14:19:09 GMT Hi all! Is there a way to get a list of all ftpmail sites available, I mean, by sending special email, I could get some files related to the NeXT? Thanks in advance for your help! -- ===================================================== Laurent Daudelin, Planon TELEXPERTISE Programmer Boucherville, Quebec, CANADA EMail: laurent@planon.qc.ca <-- NextMail welcome!
From: pjm@SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Pedro J. Moreno) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: odd message in console.log Message-ID: <C5y0uq.BxL.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 23 Apr 93 15:40:01 GMT Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Hi Netters: I got a problem, my console file is full of these messages.. xdr_array: size FAILED xdr_array: size FAILED xdr_array: size FAILED xdr_array: size FAILED xdr_array: size FAILED xdr_array: size FAILED Any hints?? What is causing them??? thanks Pedro. -- Pedro J. Moreno (NeXTMail OK) Ph.D. Student Electrical and Computer Engineering Speech Group pjm@stevens.speech.cs.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (Michael Suk-Young Chwe) Subject: workspace preferences? File viewer font and animation Message-ID: <1993Apr23.164733.15858@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 16:47:33 GMT Dear Netters, Somehow the file names in my File Viewer got changed to 12pt Helvetica instead of 14pt Helvetica like it used to be. I can't remember (maybe it's different in 3.0) how to change it back. Also, what happened to the "No animation" preference? I personally don't like icons flitting across the screen. Thanks in advance, Michael Chwe -- Michael Suk-Young Chwe Department of Economics University of Chicago chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu 1126 East 59th Street facsimile 312-702-8490 Chicago, IL 60637 USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: Re: "Hey, it's not to late to WIN a FREE Trip to San Francisco!" Message-ID: <1993Apr23.145339.972@stone.com> Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp References: <1993Apr23.024722.591@stone.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 14:53:39 GMT In article <1993Apr23.024722.591@stone.com> andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) writes: ... > All you have to do is submit a DataPhile template, a Create doc or a 3D > Reality by April 24th, 12 PM MDT [Probably just a few hours away!]. Let's make that Monday, the 26th at noon... andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: t_pascal@oxy.edu. (C. Regis Wilson) Subject: Re: Calculators. Message-ID: <1993Apr23.164936.9833@cheshire.oxy.edu> Sender: usenet@cheshire.oxy.edu (System Account) Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA. USA References: <1r87poINNkpt@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 16:49:36 GMT In article <1r87poINNkpt@dns1.NMSU.Edu> slinnero@NMSU.edu (Steven T. Linnerooth) writes: > Are there any calculators out there in freebie land? Almost every time I > get on a NeXT, I wish I had a calc program available. Thanks in advance... > I use mathematica. It works very nicely. :) --------- T. Pascal, King of Pascal | "He travels fastest who travels alone, 1600 Campus Road, Box 829 | but not when the frost drops below zero Los Angeles, CA 90041 | fifty degrees or more." | -Old eskimo saying
From: rob@wzv.win.tue.nl (Rob J. Nauta) Newsgroups: alt.shenanigans,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help With Computer Shenanigan Date: 23 Apr 1993 21:36:39 +0200 Organization: None Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r9gg7$rcl@wzv.win.tue.nl> References: <C5vB2n.9tA@ms.uky.edu> bnunn00@nx36.mik.uky.edu (bradley nunn) writes: | Ok Folks here it is......If you know anything about Next Computers i |please beg you to help me out.....I have this friend...he isnt a friend |but i will call him that.....that everytime i log onto a next he seems to |think it funny to log on and start proceeses to slow down my |machine....anyone have any idea how to kick him off or just kill his |processes....if you have any answers to my dilema or any ideas of cruel |stuff i can do please email them to JCJOHN00@MIK.UKY.EDU...Thanx The answer is simple of course. When you log in, start a lot of processes yourself ! This will prevent him from logging in and starting his own processes. Also it will be useless for him to start processes to slow down your machine, because it's already crawling too slow for real work anyway ! | Bill Rob -- /-----------------------------------------------\ Never ,==. | Rob J. Nauta, UNIX computer security expert. | Apologize, /@ | | rob@wzv.win.tue.nl, Phone: +31-40-837549 | Never /_ < | rob@hacktic.nl -- Email me for UNIX advice | Explain. =" `g'
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: Who looks after sonata? Message-ID: <1993Apr21.103857.4068@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <1r1bi1$2js@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 10:38:57 GMT In article <1r1bi1$2js@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> tiggr@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) writes: > In article <1993Apr19.103223.6282@xexos.com> mark@xexos.com (Mark > Chamberlain) writes: > > >It would be nice if we could find an ftp site, or > >set of sites, with mirrored trees, in organised > >directories. > > Try ftp.stack.urc.tue.nl. > > >It would be nice if someone would also take > >the time to document what all the programs are/did. > > Are you volunteering? --Tiggr European site. Eats up the bandwidth between the different parts of the world. There are less NeXT ftp users in Europe, than in the US. Put the main site in the US, and mirror across to the UK, Europe etc. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Rebinding function keys Message-ID: <1993Apr21.234059.7081@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <ntomczak.735319944@vega> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 23:40:59 GMT In article <ntomczak.735319944@vega> ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) writes: > rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305) writes: > > >I don't recall what <ENTER> sends but it isn't <LF>. > > Whatever keyboard is sending for <ENTER> emacs sees it as "\M-OM" > sequence. To check how a given key is intepreted in emacs go to > *scratch* buffer and type "\C-q" (i.e. Control-Q) followed by > a key in question. Or you may insert a given key in your key > definition **literally** using the method above. :-) I think that the keycode is 03, or ETX. Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 paull@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: (0494)680228 76711.451@compuserve.com
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mathematica and Maple for NEXTSTEP/Intel ??? Date: 23 Apr 1993 20:49:05 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1r9ko1$216@menudo.uh.edu> Keywords: Nothing firm yet... I was curious about the availability of Mathematica and Maple when NEXTSTEP/I is released next month, so I called Wolfram and Waterloo to find out. Unfortunately, it appears that there are no firm plans at this time for NEXTSTEP ports of either MMA or Maple. Wolfram says that they have NEXTSTEP/I beta and will likely announce something this summer, while the Maple folks said that they are busy with Maple V Release 2 for Next hardware right now and when that version is ready, they will port that version to NS/I around the same time. Again, they said it will be around the end of summer. Hmm...., I expected something better.... -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
Newsgroups: alt.shenanigans,comp.sys.next.misc From: jonas@world.std.com (Jonas R Klein) Subject: Re: Help With Computer Shenanigan Message-ID: <C5z59K.HoG@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <C5vB2n.9tA@ms.uky.edu> <1r9gg7$rcl@wzv.win.tue.nl> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 06:12:55 GMT In article <1r9gg7$rcl@wzv.win.tue.nl> rob@wzv.win.tue.nl (Rob J. Nauta) writes: >bnunn00@nx36.mik.uky.edu (bradley nunn) writes: >| Ok Folks here it is......If you know anything about Next Computers i >|please beg you to help me out.....I have this friend...he isnt a friend >|but i will call him that.....that everytime i log onto a next he seems to >|think it funny to log on and start proceeses to slow down my >|machine....anyone have any idea how to kick him off or just kill his >|processes....if you have any answers to my dilema or any ideas of cruel >|stuff i can do please email them to JCJOHN00@MIK.UKY.EDU...Thanx Never used a next, but will this work? % yes > /dev/his_tty +Jonas
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Calculators. Message-ID: <66873@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 24 Apr 93 02:05:34 GMT References: <1r87poINNkpt@dns1.NMSU.Edu> <1993Apr23.164936.9833@cheshire.oxy.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 slinnero@NMSU.edu (Steven T. Linnerooth) writes: > Are there any calculators out there in freebie land? t_pascal@cheshire.oxy.edu writes: > I use mathematica. It works very nicely. > :) but possibly a little overkill to sometimes ? :-) there is a very nice one called Digit.app at sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/submissions (maybe its Digit2.tar.Z or something similar - look for the 2nd version) it has lots of scientific functions, conversions and hex too there are some low cost commercial ones of several varieties mentioned in the back of most NeXTWORLD issues. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: Dirk Schwarzhans Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: new version of Puzzle: some bugs fixed Date: 24 Apr 1993 09:51:13 GMT Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Message-ID: <1rb2ih$p5h@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Keywords: Puzzle Reply-To: dirk@kalium.physik.tu-berlin.de Hello, I have submitted a new version of "Puzzle" to cs.orst.edu. After it is removed from "/pub/next/submissions" you may most probably find it in "pub/next/binaries/games". The files are " Puzzle_1.02.english.README" and "Puzzle_1.02.tar.z". The changes since version 1.0 are: - Puzzle does'nt crash if the loaded image is too small. - Puzzle now runs on color stations. - It is now possible to drag pieces from all windows without changing the main window. Dirk Schwarzhans
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: SOLUTION (partly): NeXT WP files with graphics to PC WP 5.1 Message-ID: <1993Apr24.100815.11754@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 10:08:15 GMT I know what causes the problem: WP 5.1 on the PC cannot handle more that 8 bit TIFFs. NeXT produces 24 bit TIFFs. All I need now is a way to convert. It seems there is a file called graphics/tiff.tar.Z on uunet.uu.net, but I haven't been able to contact that site from my mail-server (which uses ftp). So, does anybody know the esaiest way to create 8 bit TIFFs from 24 bit TIFFs? -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <C5t0s7.1E0@Novell.COM> <1993Apr22.165505.29691@pencom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 08:06:43 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Apr23.080643.1880@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Apr22.165505.29691@pencom.com> ph@pencom.com writes: >In article <C5t0s7.1E0@Novell.COM> Tony_Wosnjuk@Novell.COM writes: >> >> Is there a simple address book type program for NeXT? > >Yes. Workspace! >NS 3.0 includes such a feature in .addresses folders. >Grab a copy of User.addresses from /NextLibrary/Addresses and then >double click it open. Select a user from the browser and bring up >the Workspace Contents viewer with a control-2. Pretty neat! >I'm not sure of all the gory details of use but it looks simple >enough. This appears to be something that lists the addresses of everyone who has an account on your machine by looking in their home directories for .plan files. Not that useful as a general address book. Anyone know if it can be used any other way? Dave Griffiths
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HP LaserJet 4M (PS) Problem with Calibrated Color Space Date: 24 Apr 1993 11:19:38 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rb7oa$frn@agate.berkeley.edu> I am having a problem with HP LaserJet 4M 600 dpi (with PS SIMM) with respect to calibrated color space. The symptom is that all gray value >= 0.84 becomes completely white and there is no gradation for gray values in the range 0.84 - 1.0. (Or density <= 16% becomes complete white.) This only happens with HP LaserJet 4 (with PS SIMM). Exactly the same file printed on NeXT 400dpi laser printer shows good shades of grays for all values (0 - 1). This obviously messes up my density plots (light gray becomes complete white). To test this fully, I wrote a simple EPS file included below. It prints a density calibration chart in 1% steps from 0 .. 100%. If you have a HP LaserJet 4 with PostScript, please print it straight to the printer. How does it come out? On our LaserJet 4M PS, all squares from 1% through 16% are totally white! Whatever calibrations are done, it should never put hard saturations and bottom-outs. Also try out the file on any other PS Level-2 printers, and please tell me what you see, i.e., how low density (near 10%) grays come out. HPLJ4's 600dpi is great, but I didn't expect this problem. Thanks for your help. ----(cut here) DensityCalibration.eps ------------------------------------ %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-2.0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 612 792 %%Title: PostScript Density Calibration Chart %%Creator: Izumi Ohzawa %%Date: 93-04-23 %% Excerpted prolog from NeXT printPackage.ps /__NXdef{1 index where{pop pop pop}{def}ifelse}bind def /__NXbdef{1 index where{pop pop pop}{bind def}ifelse}bind def % Set PostScript Level Flag here. /_NXLevel2 systemdict /languagelevel known {languagelevel 2 ge}{false}ifelse __NXdef % /_NXLevel2 false __NXdef % This forces PS Level-1 _NXLevel2{ % PS Level-2 definitions (excerpts) ------------------------------------------------ /NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace where{pop}{ /NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace {mark /NXCalibratedRGB /ColorSpace findresource exch pop}stopped {cleartomark /NXCalibratedRGB[/CIEBasedABC 2 dict dup begin /MatrixLMN[.4124 .2126 .0193 .3576 .7152 .1192 .1805 .0722 .9505]def /WhitePoint[.9505 1 1.089] def end] /ColorSpace defineresource}if def}ifelse /nxsetrgbcolor{NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace setcolorspace setcolor}__NXbdef /nxsetgray{dup dup nxsetrgbcolor}__NXbdef } { % PS Level-1 definitions (excerpts) ------------------------------------------------- /nxsetrgbcolor{setrgbcolor}__NXbdef /nxsetgray{setgray}__NXbdef } ifelse % My code for generating Density Calibration chart. % I use 'nxsetgray' to enable Level-2 Color Calibration /paperwidth 612 def % already defined /paperheight 792 def /temp-str 10 string def % i on stack /draw_box { gsave 0 nxsetgray 0 -10 rmoveto dup 100 exch sub temp-str cvs show ( %) show grestore 40 0 rlineto 0 45 rlineto -40 0 rlineto closepath gsave 100 div nxsetgray fill grestore 0 nxsetgray stroke } def /Helvetica findfont 10 scalefont setfont 0.5 setlinewidth 0 1 100 { dup dup 10 idiv 66 mul 40 add % i i yp exch % i yp i 10 mod 50 mul 100 add paperwidth exch sub % i yp xp exch moveto draw_box } for /Times-Roman findfont 16 scalefont setfont 60 720 moveto (Density Calibration Chart) show 60 700 moveto (This printer's PostScript Level is: ) show _NXLevel2 { ( 2) show } { ( 1) show } ifelse showpage %%Trailer ----(cut here) ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@mashallah.ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Bad Libararian Message-ID: <1993Apr24.160240.10100@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 16:02:40 GMT What's with my librarian bookshelp? Suddenly the "I" on the yellow index buttons are gone and certain "books" suposedly don't have contents! - barre ----------------------------------------------------------------- Barre Ludvigsen borrel@dhhalden.no (office) Associate Professor borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (home) Ostfold Regional College (NeXTMail OK) Department of Computer Science bludvigs@ulrik.uio.no Os Alle 9 73277.3443@Compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@mashallah.ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Re: command line gif->tiff/ps converter needed! Message-ID: <1993Apr24.160547.10184@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College References: <1993Apr20.060441.14037@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 16:05:47 GMT John Landwehr writes > HELP! > I have a bunch of gif files I need converted to ps or tiff. > Where can I find a command line util to do this? > > Thanks! > > -- > John Landwehr > jland@nwu.edu > > P.S. I would use ImageViewer except that a) it would take forever, and b) it > doesn't do a SAVE properly to TIFF format from GIF. Try pbmplus: something like "giftoppm | pnmtotiff". You may have to do a ppmquant 265 in between there, but otherwise I've used something along those lines and it works like a dream. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Barre Ludvigsen borrel@dhhalden.no (office) Associate Professor borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (home) Ostfold Regional College (NeXTMail OK) Department of Computer Science bludvigs@ulrik.uio.no Os Alle 9 73277.3443@Compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Message-ID: <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics References: <C5t0s7.1E0@Novell.COM> <1993Apr22.165505.29691@pencom.com> <1993Apr23.080643.1880@prim> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 16:56:27 GMT dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.165505.29691@pencom.com> ph@pencom.com writes: >>In article <C5t0s7.1E0@Novell.COM> Tony_Wosnjuk@Novell.COM writes: >>> >>> Is there a simple address book type program for NeXT? >> >>Yes. Workspace! >>NS 3.0 includes such a feature in .addresses folders. >>Grab a copy of User.addresses from /NextLibrary/Addresses and then >>double click it open. Select a user from the browser and bring up >>the Workspace Contents viewer with a control-2. Pretty neat! >This appears to be something that lists the addresses of everyone who has an >account on your machine by looking in their home directories for .plan files. >Not that useful as a general address book. Anyone know if it can be used any >other way? >Dave Griffiths Actually, if you double-click the addresses file, it will open a panel with a list of (of course) addresses. Now look at your "file" submenu, you should see add new user and new group. I've been using this as a simple (and cheap) address book. Also, when I fax something, the fax panel list all addresses that have something in the fax number field. There are also fields for email, home and work telephone, address, etc. There are bigger and better programs (like SBook), but these seem more geared for business than the small (home) users. Kirk Haller haller@math.wisc.edu
From: alexhart@cerf.net (Alex Hartley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Date: 24 Apr 1993 17:59:29 GMT Organization: CERFnet Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rbv61$bf@news.cerf.net> References: <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> Keywords: sbook In article <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) writes: > dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > There are bigger and better programs (like SBook), but these seem more geared > for business than the small (home) users. > > Kirk Haller > haller@math.wisc.edu What is sbook? -- Alex Hartley - NeXTmail preferred Alex Hartley and Associates Los Angeles, California (213)937-8718 (voice) (213)937-8734 (BBS) (213)937-9044 (fax)
From: alexhart@cerf.net (Alex Hartley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Date: 24 Apr 1993 18:00:23 GMT Organization: CERFnet Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rbv7n$bg@news.cerf.net> References: <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> Keywords: sbook In article <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) writes: > dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > There are bigger and better programs (like SBook), but these seem more What is sbook? -- Alex Hartley - NeXTmail preferred Alex Hartley and Associates Los Angeles, California (213)937-8718 (voice) (213)937-8734 (BBS) (213)937-9044 (fax)
From: alexhart@cerf.net (Alex Hartley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Date: 24 Apr 1993 18:01:10 GMT Organization: CERFnet Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rbv96$e8@news.cerf.net> References: <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> Keywords: sbook In article <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) writes: > dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > There are bigger and better programs (like SBook), but these seem more What is sbook? Where can I get a copy? Is it a commercial product? -- Alex Hartley - NeXTmail preferred Alex Hartley and Associates Los Angeles, California (213)937-8718 (voice) (213)937-8734 (BBS) (213)937-9044 (fax)
From: alexhart@cerf.net (Alex Hartley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Date: 24 Apr 1993 18:02:15 GMT Organization: CERFnet Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rbvb7$g1@news.cerf.net> References: <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> Keywords: sbook In article <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) writes: > dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > There are bigger and better programs (like SBook), but these seem more What is sbook? Where can I get a copy? Is it a commercial product? -- Alex Hartley - NeXTmail preferred Alex Hartley and Associates Los Angeles, California (213)937-8718 (voice) (213)937-8734 (BBS) (213)937-9044 (fax) -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P($EN(&%R=&EC;&4@ M/#$Y.3-!<'(R-"XQ-C4V,C<N-C(P.4!S8VAA969E<BYM871H+G=I<V,N961U M/B!H86QL97)`<V-H865F97(N;6%T:"YW:7-C+F5D=2`H2VER:R!(86QL97(I M('=R:71E<SI<"CX@9&%V94!P<FEM+F1E;6]N+F-O+G5K("A$879E($=R:69F M:71H<RD@=W)I=&5S.EP*/B!4:&5R92!A<F4@8FEG9V5R(&%N9"!B971T97(@ M<')O9W)A;7,@*&QI:V4@4T)O;VLI+"!B=70@=&AE<V4@<V5E;2!M;W)E(%=H M870@:7,@<V)O;VL_7`I7:&5R92!C86X@22!G970@82!C;W!Y/UP*27,@:70@ M82!C;VUM97)C:6%L('!R;V1U8W0_7`HM+5P*06QE>"!(87)T;&5Y"2T)3F58 M5&UA:6P@<')E9F5R<F5D7`I!;&5X($AA<G1L97D@86YD($%S<V]C:6%T97-< M"DQO<R!!;F=E;&5S+"!#86QI9F]R;FEA7`HH,C$S*3DS-RTX-S$X("AV;VEC M92D@*#(Q,RDY,S<M.#<S-"`H0D)3*2`H,C$S*3DS-RTY,#0T("AF87@I"GT* `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: Re: MetaFont and /bin/sh Message-ID: <ntomczak.735668983@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Apr22.185505.751@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Distribution: world,local Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 16:29:43 GMT duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Danek Duvall) writes: >Got a problem. I downloaded some MF files, and I want to compile them, and >store them (for the time being) in my home directory structure to try them >out. >MFINPUT=.:/usr/lib/mf/inputs:$INPUTDIR >export MFINPUT Here is the bug. A variable you want to set is called MFINPUTS and not MFINPUT. And now everybody, once again, together. /usr/bin/MakeTeXPK as shipped by NeXT with 3.0 has a bug in setting MFINPUTS variable. A line which is doing this should read: MFINPUTS=`pwd`:${MFINPUTS-/usr/lib/mf/inputs}; export MFINPUTS After this change you MakeTeXPK, or dvips - which calls it - will make fonts from sources in your current working directory. Michal Jaegermann ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
From: tomh@halcyon.com (Thomas P. Hicks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Have NeXT need some help in Seattle. Date: 24 Apr 1993 11:37:57 -0700 Organization: "A World of Information at your Fingertips" Sender: news@nwfocus.wa.com Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rc1e5$gbm@nwfocus.wa.com> 4.24.93 Have NeXT. Need some help in Seattle. I have questions about UNIX and NeXT. Would like to locate someone that is dependable and affordable to help me periodically figure a things out on this NeXT machine. Currently I am stumped about some telecommunications questions. Thanks in advance to replys. Tom Hicks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton) Subject: Re: Calculators. Message-ID: <1993Apr24.171405.21046@trilithon.mpk.ca.us> Sender: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us Organization: Trilithon Software References: <66873@mimsy.umd.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 17:14:05 GMT In article <66873@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: * there are some low cost commercial ones of several varieties * mentioned in the back of most NeXTWORLD issues. We supply one of the commercial calculators Alex mentions. PowerCalc is a multi function calculator -- basic, scientific, financial, and unit conversions. I'm using this opportunity to inform anybody who's interested that we just changed our net domain to .com from .mpk.ca.us Enquiries to info@trilithon.com ........ Henry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Advice on PC Hardware running NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Apr24.112246.764@ctcvax.ccf.swri.edu> From: lichtner@swri.edu (Peter Lichtner, lichtner@rory.cnwra.swri.edu, (210) 522-6084) Date: 24 Apr 93 11:22:45 CDT Distribution: world Organization: CNWRA Keywords: NEXTSTEP, PC, DELL, JAWS Folks: I need help selecting a PC to run NEXTSTEP. I am considering DELL DGX, @50Mhz, with on-board JAWS, 32MB RAM, 700MB HD and 17in monitor. Here are my questions: 1) Is this machine good for floating point execution? 2) Apparently it will not support the Pentium chip when it comes out--is this a big disadvantage? My understand is that the Pentium may not be all that great when run on a 486-designed platform anyway. 3) What is the best monitor to go with it? I am considering the 17in monitor supplied by DELL. 4) Is there anything else I need to run NEXTSTEP 3.1? e.g. networking hardware ... etc. or is all this included with NEXTSTEP? The machine will be used mainly for wordprocessing (TeX/LaTeX, FrameMaker, WordPerfect(if they get there act together)) and graphics in engineering applications. Also plan to run at least the Mathematica front-end on it connected to e.g. a sun server, along with xwindows such as co-Xist. Thanks in advance for any help! ...Peter
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: Legality of webster services based on the NeXT dictionary? Message-ID: <HARDY.93Apr24175850@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: "Steve Hayman"'s message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 22:47:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA References: <C5t16s.7x7@rice.edu> <C5uKD2.IH6@rice.edu> <2561@deadmin.ucsd.edu> <1993Apr22.224733.4813@news.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 25 Apr 93 00:58:53 GMT Our campus has been running Xwebster (to which I am especially partial) off a 2.1 system for a long time. I'm glad to hear that, given enough disk space, one can keep runing it under 3.0; I'll inform the maintainer of the NeXT at our computing facility about this. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: C-News for NSI Message-ID: <C601Mr.6vF@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Apr22.053629.710@eps.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 17:52:02 GMT In article <1993Apr22.053629.710@eps.com> uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) writes: > Does anyone know if the current version of C-News for the NeXT is compatible > with NSI?. And if not, where can I find the latest version. > > steve@eps.com As long as you have the "C" compiler you should have no problems. I got the cources from an FTP site and compiled them myself. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Mathematica and Maple for NEXTSTEP/Intel ??? Message-ID: <1993Apr25.012442.20916@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Keywords: Nothing firm yet... Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1r9ko1$216@menudo.uh.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 01:24:42 GMT In article <1r9ko1$216@menudo.uh.edu> rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) writes: >Unfortunately, it appears that there are no firm plans at this time for >NEXTSTEP ports of either MMA or Maple. Wolfram says that they have NEXTSTEP/I >beta and will likely announce something this summer, while the Maple folks >said that they are busy with Maple V Release 2 for Next hardware right now >and when that version is ready, they will port that version to NS/I around >the same time. Again, they said it will be around the end of summer. > >Hmm...., I expected something better.... Count your blessings. They could have just dropped *all* support. I would exercise patience with SW developers until Nextstep sells a few copies to help assure everyone that a market will exist. BTW, Next is currently productless. We all expected better. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Calculators. Message-ID: <1993Apr25.013926.21502@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1r87poINNkpt@dns1.NMSU.Edu> <1993Apr23.164936.9833@cheshire.oxy.edu> <66873@mimsy.umd.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 01:39:26 GMT In article <66873@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: >slinnero@NMSU.edu (Steven T. Linnerooth) writes: >> Are there any calculators out there in freebie land? > >there is a very nice one called Digit.app at >sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/submissions >(maybe its Digit2.tar.Z or something similar - look for the 2nd version) >it has lots of scientific functions, conversions and hex too I've been working on and off for some time on an HP-41CV emulator for Nextstep. The time I dedicate to it varies since I'm not exactly sure how many people would be interested in such a product. I picked the 41 series 'cause I still like them better than some of the newer HP models, and HP has discontinued them and I have a modest investment in programs for the 41 series that I would like to continue to use for years to come. I have the basic calculator functions working with some niceties, such as register displays, on-line manual, etc. Some additional ideas I have considered implementing are: 1) Full programmability (non-synthetic). 2) Program library in each user's Library folder. 3) Including several of the Advantage Pac functions as standard (this includes amortization, complex functions, matrix solver, etc.). Would anyone be interested in paying for such a thing? I welcome direct responses. I might be persuaded to put at least what I have (that's tested) on the Net as freeware if there's interest. Thanks, -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Message-ID: <66898@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 25 Apr 93 02:36:32 GMT References: <C5t0s7.1E0@Novell.COM> <1993Apr22.165505.29691@pencom.com> <1993Apr23.080643.1880@prim> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Tony_Wosnjuk@Novell.COM writes: > Is there a simple address book type program for NeXT? ph@pencom.com writes: >Yes. Workspace! >NS 3.0 includes such a feature in .addresses folders. dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > This appears to be something that lists the addresses of everyone who has an > account on your machine... Anyone know if it can be used any other way? yes sure, its a reasonable address book. not as full featured as SBook for example, but its bundled and simple. look in the your ~/Library/Addresses folder (or copy /usr/template/user/Library/Addresses if you dont have one) look up address in the on line help, play around add an address, group, check out the contents inspector when the whole address book is selected, and try to make a rtf doc. you can put them on the finder shelf for easy look ups. I dont think Mail.app knows about them but fax seems to. my big complaint, is that you end up typing each name twice, once in the inspector and once to name the address entry. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Message-ID: <tlm.735711505@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Keywords: sbook Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> <1rbv61$bf@news.cerf.net> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 04:18:25 GMT In <1rbv61$bf@news.cerf.net> alexhart@cerf.net (Alex Hartley) writes: >In article <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> >haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) writes: >> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >> There are bigger and better programs (like SBook), but these seem more >geared >> for business than the small (home) users. >> >> Kirk Haller >> haller@math.wisc.edu >What is sbook? SBook is "Simson Garfinkle's Address Book" and a totally great ap!! I have to disagree with the assessment that it's "for business" as I use it for my personal/professional correspondence all of the time (it's now 5X as useful since I have a SLIP connection). It uses pattern matching to record addresses, phone numbers, and E-mail addresses. It will dial the phone for you (and under- stands basic rules of dialing so that it prepends a 1 for local long distance, or adds the area code for long distance) it will print an envelope (with bar code!) with the click of a mouse, support multiple envelope formats, etc. and it will bring up an E-mail compose panel with the click ofthe button. On searches it's one of the fastest applications I've yet seen. It also supports bulk E-mailings (SIMSON: I am **still** waiting for you to support RTF form letters!!! :) All in al a fantastic application that costs... $50 academic! If you want something even cheaper, which is also pretty good as asimple flat file database program useable as an address book, check out Scrapfinder from teh archives. I believe it's in the demos directory on sonata. $10 shareware, and quite useful in and of itself, but it doesn't hold a candle to SBook (no offense meant Jeff :) Hope this is Helpful --- Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: swiet@voronoi.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) Subject: Re: Anybody got NewsGrazer compiled for NS/Intel? In-Reply-To: Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com's message of 20 Apr 1993 16:44:28 GMT Message-ID: <SWIET.93Apr25005133@voronoi.cs.jhu.edu> Sender: news@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Usenet news system) Organization: /users1/swiet/.organization References: <1993Apr15.161116.6263@rpslmc.edu> <1r199d$af@rosie.next.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 05:51:33 GMT In article <1r199d$af@rosie.next.com> Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) writes: Ok, ok, twist my arm. A multi-architecture version of BlastApp is available on sonata.cc.purdue.edu as BlastAppV4.tar.Z. It will run under NEXTSTEP 3.0 or 3.1. It's currently in the pub/next/submissions directory. As an added bonus, it has six extra levels and a few other new features. Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com Oh, no! Another 6 levels?? I suffered enough getting past that really mean, really tough level! Here's to many more hours of frustration.. Thanks Ali. :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: swiet@voronoi.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) Subject: Re: Anybody got NewsGrazer compiled for NS/Intel? In-Reply-To: philip@utstat.toronto.edu's message of Wed, 21 Apr 1993 07:30:33 GMT Message-ID: <SWIET.93Apr25005627@voronoi.cs.jhu.edu> Sender: news@blaze.cs.jhu.edu (Usenet news system) Organization: /users1/swiet/.organization References: <1993Apr15.161116.6263@rpslmc.edu> <1r199d$af@rosie.next.com> <C5toux.Eq0@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 05:56:27 GMT To: In article <C5toux.Eq0@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: Hmm...it [BlastApp] doesn't seem to be there [on sonata.cc.purdue.edu.] Try looking in /pub/next/3.0/bin.
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Unmoderated comp.sys.next.announce !! Message-ID: <930424.141507.5W1.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 14:15:08 MDT References: <1r5g57$pj8@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > The way it is, it is pretty much a dead and useless group. I would rather have a `pretty much' dead group with 0% noise than another comp.sys.next.misc, myself. -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Anybody got NewsGrazer compiled for NS/Intel? Message-ID: <C60yvE.33L@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1r199d$af@rosie.next.com> <C5toux.Eq0@utstat.toronto.edu> <SWIET.93Apr25005627@voronoi.cs.jhu.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 05:50:02 GMT In article <SWIET.93Apr25005627@voronoi.cs.jhu.edu> swiet@voronoi.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki) writes: >To: >In article <C5toux.Eq0@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > > Hmm...it [BlastApp] doesn't seem to be there [on sonata.cc.purdue.edu.] > > Try looking in /pub/next/3.0/bin. Thank's. This was also pointed out to me by someone else. I did. Like many of my other applications, it does not run smoothly under 3.0 . In fact I wish I could easily go back to 2.1 . Is there something wrong with 3.0? It seems to have slowed down my Cube in half. In any case, under 3.0 BlastApp is not playable. The helicopter is too eratic. This is quite annoying as I do really like the game. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: alby@access.digex.com (Albatross) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How do you Kill Swapping? Date: 25 Apr 1993 02:06:32 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> How can you Fix a NeXT machine so that it stops swapping and slowing down the system?? Causae it's causing 5 sec delays 2-3 times a minute...? PLEASE EMAIL me back.. I rarly read the news...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Apr22.165505.29691@pencom.com> <1993Apr23.080643.1880@prim> <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 18:31:01 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Apr24.183101.6674@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) writes: >Actually, if you double-click the addresses file, it will open a panel with a >list of (of course) addresses. Now look at your "file" submenu, you should see >add new user and new group. I've been using this as a simple (and cheap) >address book. Oh yes. Neat. (You have to make it writable first). Where is the actual address data stored? I'd like to know what key it uses for the telephone numbers in order to put them in the RTF template. Dave Griffiths
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Date: 25 Apr 1993 09:39:04 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1re49oINNq6s@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> References: <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> <1rbv61$bf@news.cerf.net> <tlm.735711505@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Keywords: sbook In article <tlm.735711505@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: >In <1rbv61$bf@news.cerf.net> alexhart@cerf.net (Alex Hartley) writes: > >>In article <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> >>haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) writes: >>> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >>> There are bigger and better programs (like SBook), but these seem more >>geared > >>What is sbook? > >SBook is "Simson Garfinkle's Address Book" and a totally great ap!! I have I agree. It's very good. I hope Mr Garfinkel lets us "upgrade" to the Intel version without having to pay twice. It would help if it printed sideways, for those of us with odd printers that take envelopes differently. >$50 academic! > It was my understanding that this price is no longer offered. But LIST was $189 or about. I repeat, it's a great app. I'm not in any way connected with the product commercially, I just use it. Robert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: Calculators. Message-ID: <1993Apr25.161159.4990@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <1993Apr23.164936.9833@cheshire.oxy.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 16:11:59 GMT In article <1993Apr23.164936.9833@cheshire.oxy.edu> t_pascal@oxy.edu. (C. Regis Wilson) writes: > In article <1r87poINNkpt@dns1.NMSU.Edu> slinnero@NMSU.edu (Steven T. > Linnerooth) writes: > > Are there any calculators out there in freebie land? Almost every time I > > get on a NeXT, I wish I had a calc program available. Thanks in advance... > > > I use mathematica. It works very nicely. > And I use the "Tennesee Instruments" calculator that comes built into Jiro Nakamura's Cassandra (a shareware interactive event scheduler).
From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Unmoderated comp.sys.next.announce !! Message-ID: <1993Apr25.160056.13031@Happy-Man.com> Date: 25 Apr 93 16:00:56 GMT References: <1r5g57$pj8@agate.berkeley.edu> <930424.141507.5W1.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 In <930424.141507.5W1.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes: >I would rather have a `pretty much' dead group with 0% noise than >another comp.sys.next.misc, myself. Ah, but those are not the available choices. Because "misc" and "advocacy" are available, "announce" would not get overloaded with inappropriate material. There is no reason for it to be moderated. Most competent people are too busy to do the job well, so, since it is unnecessary, let's get rid of it. By the way, if people use modern, well-designed newsreaders like Kim Storm's "nn", the clutter is much less bothersome and it becomes possible to look at twice as many newsgroups in half the time. To date, there is no NextStep newsreader of comparable quality, and unless NextStep becomes successful beyond anyone's wildest dreams, there won't ever be. So switch, if you haven't. -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info. packet free. Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: alt.shenanigans,comp.sys.next.misc From: Sven Guckes <guckes@math.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Help With Computer Shenanigan Message-ID: <2FWCBAKB@math.fu-berlin.de> Originator: guckes@medusa Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany References: <C5vB2n.9tA@ms.uky.edu> <1r9gg7$rcl@wzv.win.tue.nl> <C5z59K.HoG@world.std.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 21:00:31 GMT jonas@world.std.com (Jonas R Klein) writes: >Never used a next, but will this work? >% yes > /dev/his_tty This will only work if you are allowed to write to that terminal. And you can interrupt it with control-c. Sven :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: markm@wri.com Subject: Re: Calculators. Message-ID: <1993Apr25.211634.17315@wri.com> Sender: news@wri.com Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <1993Apr25.161159.4990@newshost.lanl.gov> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 21:16:34 GMT In article <1993Apr25.161159.4990@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: > In article <1993Apr23.164936.9833@cheshire.oxy.edu> t_pascal@oxy.edu. (C. > Regis Wilson) writes: > > In article <1r87poINNkpt@dns1.NMSU.Edu> slinnero@NMSU.edu (Steven T. > > Linnerooth) writes: > > > Are there any calculators out there in freebie land? Almost every > time I > > > get on a NeXT, I wish I had a calc program available. Thanks in > advance... > > > > > I use mathematica. It works very nicely. > > > And I use the "Tennesee Instruments" calculator that comes built into Jiro > Nakamura's Cassandra (a shareware interactive event scheduler). And I use a HP-15C sitting beside my NeXT. It's sooo much faster than firing up a calc-app to do quickie stuff. Especially when it comes to moving the mouse to point and click numbers. Of course I use Mathematica for anything complex. --Mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane) Subject: Smalltalk building under NeXTSTEP 3.0 Message-ID: <C62Avt.AEp@newsflash.concordia.ca> Summary: GNU Smalltalk 1.1.1 Sender: usenet@newsflash.concordia.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 23:07:05 GMT The following is the answer that I have received on my difficulty in "making" GNU Smallatlk 1.1.1 under NEXTSTEP 3.0. I have yet to try the posted "success", but I'm sure it will work. [Include Message]------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 15:24:58 -0500 From: Chris Cleeland <milo!chris@wpa.com> To: MATIS stephane <kgnome@cs.concordia.ca> Subject: Re: GNU Smalltalk 1.1.1 Binaries sought Reply-To: chris%milo@wpa.com In comp.sys.next.programmer article <C5v5uy.HM1@newsflash.concordia.ca> you wrote: > Hello Folks! > > I'm looking for a set of GNU Smalltalk Binaries that run under 3.0, > but certainlly weren't compiled under 3.0, as it seems to be impossible. My > two attemptes failed, and according to gnu.smalltalk.bug, that's the general > gist of it. > > So please, could a good samaritan upload to cs.orst.edu or sonnata > a set of binaries for Smalltalk. I'm learning the language through the > Smalltalk tuorial, and have been very taken by it. I like the ploding > methodology ... after I'm done with this, I may finally get time to finish > my Garfinkel&Mahoney book and code in ObjC. > > In the meantime, I'll keep using my DGUX compiled edition, which > "seems" to work ok ... ( I'm having a strange bug related to a tutorial > example) > > > +---------------------------------+ ___ ___ ___ > | Stephane I. Matis | / \_BATLLETECH /\__\ Viva NeXT! > | E-Mail : kgnome@cs.concordia.ca | \___/ \___/ \/__/ NeXTSTEP 3.0! > | "It Just Works..." - Steve Jobs | \___/ > +---------------------------------+ Wolfnet Operative & NeXThead You really can get it to compile under NS3.0. It takes some work, though. The problem lies in compiling mstinterp.c and using the NeXT-tweaked preprocessor. If you look in /lib, you'll see both "cpp" and "cpp.precomp". The default preprocessor is the latter. It appears to have a bug in it which processing mstinterp provokes. What I did was to simply make a copy of mstinterp.c to mstinterp.c.orig. Then, I ran /lib/cpp (with the appropriate arguments from the Makefile) to produce mstinterp.i; after this, I ran cc on mstinterp.i and viola', it linked! I need to report these to both gnu.smalltalk.bug and NeXT. I'm having some problems posting from my machine at the moment, and I don't get gnu.smalltalk.bug. Would you mind passing it on? I've got to figure out where to mail for NeXT bugs. Good luck! And let me know if you need more help! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Cleeland | Internet: chris%milo@wpa.com Consultant/NeXT Advocate | UUCP: wupost!nimno!milo!chris Milo Designs | BellNet: (314) 771-3860 [End of Include]------------------------------------------------------- +---------------------------------+ ___ ___ ___ | Stephane I. Matis | / \_BATLLETECH /\__\ Viva NeXT! | E-Mail : kgnome@cs.concordia.ca | \___/ \___/ \/__/ NeXTSTEP 3.0! | "It Just Works..." - Steve Jobs | \___/ +---------------------------------+ Wolfnet Operative & NeXThead
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bacchus!eric (Eric Bloom) Subject: Re: SOLUTION (partly): NeXT WP files with graphics to PC WP 5.1 Message-ID: <1993Apr25.233253.6897@bacchus.com> Sender: eric@bacchus.com Organization: Bacchus, Inc. References: <1993Apr24.100815.11754@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 23:32:53 GMT In article <1993Apr24.100815.11754@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl writes: > I know what causes the problem: WP 5.1 on the PC cannot handle more that 8 bit > TIFFs. NeXT produces 24 bit TIFFs. > > All I need now is a way to convert. It seems there is a file called > graphics/tiff.tar.Z on uunet.uu.net, but I haven't been able to contact that > site from my mail-server (which uses ftp). > > So, does anybody know the esaiest way to create 8 bit TIFFs from 24 bit TIFFs? > -- > Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 > "If you don't know where you are going, any road will > take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in > Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland". Our commercial application, Pixel Magician, can handle this task. Images can be quantized to 1, 2, 4 and 8 bits. Once the image is quantized, our TIFF Output Options panel can be used to produce a PC compatible TIFF file. Eric Bloom Bacchus, Inc. NeXTMail: eric@bacchus.com Phone: 310 820-9145 Fax: 310 820-5930
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: advocacy != inflamatory was Re: Unmoderated ... Message-ID: <1993Apr26.012729.26695@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1r5g57$pj8@agate.berkeley.edu> <930424.141507.5W1.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> <1993Apr25.160056.13031@Happy-Man.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 01:27:29 GMT In article <1993Apr25.160056.13031@Happy-Man.com> Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com writes: >By the way, if people use modern, well-designed newsreaders like >Kim Storm's "nn", the clutter is much less bothersome and it >becomes possible to look at twice as many newsgroups in half the >time. To date, there is no NextStep newsreader of comparable >quality, and unless NextStep becomes successful beyond anyone's >wildest dreams, there won't ever be. So switch, if you haven't. Why put the "wildest dreams" comment in there? Is it necessary for everyone to put an inflamatory comment in a posting just to prove they have an opinon? The next base is more than large enough to have generated a NeXTSTep reader. All it takes is someone to write it. Most readers for other systems have public domain type source and were not writtin to penetrate a large installed base. They were written to solve a problem at a given site or group of sites.. Right now there is only one NeXTStep reader, newsgrazer, and the guy that wrote is out trying to make a living. If you think the quality is so bad, then put a NeXT front end on nn or something else. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
From: wdempsey@athena.mit.edu (Wayne R Dempsey) Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.other,athena.forsale,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.mac,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted Subject: Computer Equipment Garage Sale!!! Date: 26 Apr 1993 03:31:51 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1rfl37INNosi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Computer Equipment Garage Sale: I've finally decided to clean out my closets and get rid of some of the stuff that is broken or not being used by me. I've put together a list and indicated what I think each item is worth. This is just my estimate, and I am very open to any offers, including trades. I'm currently looking for some CD-ROMs that will work with a Mac CD ROM player CD Caddies, HD floppy disks, any used Macintosh software, a 387-33Mhz Co-Processor, or basically anything you have lying around (cans of soup, the neighbor's cat, etc...) Make me an offer, no offer will be overlooked... I really want to get rid of this stuff... Ok, Here's the list: 52 Meg 3.5" SCSI Hard Drive. Conner Model #CP-3150. I bought this from a guy at a swap meet to use with my Macintosh. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it to work with the SCSI controller in my computer. The guy tested it with his PC, and printed out a copy of the Norton Disk Doctor report which says it has no bad sectors. (I'll send you a copy) I was dumb enough not to get his phone number, so I can't return it to him. The drive has many jumpers on it, (which I don't know how to set) so maybe that's the problem. I was quite disappointed that it didn't work so I'm trying to minimize my losses. ~$45 52 Meg 3.5" SCSI Hard Drive. Conner Model #CP-3150. Same situation as above. I bought both of these drives from the same guy. Despite the different model numbers they are the same exact drive. Same report from NDD (I have one for each drive) will be included. ~$45 40 Meg SONY 3.5" SCSI Hard Drive. SONY Model #SRD2040A. The drive mechanism is completely trashed. This hard drive was in my computer (Mac SE) and had a stiction problem. Well, repeated banging on the side of the computer resulted in a head crash (yes, metal scraping metal) which was not too pleasant to listen to. Still the SCSI controller card is in good working order, and can be used for parts, or a project. ~$20 65 Meg Seagate 5.25" HH SCSI Hard Drive. Model #ST-277N. I originally bought this drive, because it had a small stiction problem, and I though that I could fix it. Well I determined that the drive mechanism was fine, and that it was a controller problem. (motor controller wasn't sending proper signals.) Well, after taking the controller off the drive, looking at it, and putting it back together, I realized that I accidentally severed one of the small flat cables that connect the drive to the controller. I tried to solder it, but I'm not that good at soldering so I couldn't do it. Worked perfectly before I messed up. I used it as a temporary drive when the SONY (above) crashed on me. Also loaded the drive with about twenty Mac applications, worth well over $1000. (Claris CAD, MS Word 5.0, Think C, Excel, and many others) I think all it needs is a resoldering of that cable. You also get all the software on the drive. (if you can accept being a pirate) I only ask that you delete my data files from the drive. I was really angry when I broke that connection, and then couldn't fix it. I just don't have time to play with it any more. ~$65 AT&T ISDN 7500 Modem. This is for use on digital phone systems. If you know what this is or would like technical information on it, let me know. I have some tech documents on it. Is supposed to be the same thing as an AT&T digital phone, but without the phone part. It seems to be in working order (passes self test perfectly OK). I have no idea how this is worth... Let me know if you're interested. Motorola 68881 CoProcessor. I haven't tested this one out yet, but if anyone is interested I will get it tested out, to make sure that it works. I had trouble using it with my accelerator board, but then I spoke to the manufacturer of the board and found out it couldn't be used without another controller chip. When I was looking around to buy one new, the prices were around $100. I will guarantee this to work. ~$65 CGA Card. Half-Length. 8-bit. Wasn't working last time I checked (although I think I was using a bad monitor) ~$5 5.25" 360K Floppy Drive. IBM Drive Type 1355. Guaranteed to work, because when I took it out of the PC, it was working! ~$25 5.25" 360K Floppy Drive. Toshiba Model Number ND-08DE-A. Guaranteed to work. Came out of same PC as above. ~$25 5.25" Floppy Drives. Can't guarantee that these will work. I don't even know if they are low or high density drives. I don't have any method of testing them. Panasonic Model number: JU-455-5 ACG. There's another number on it: 2626-361723. Panasonic Model number: JU-475-2 AGG. There's also another number on it: H3649-101457 Toshiba Model Number ND-08DE. Virtually identical to the one above. Each Drive ~$10 3.5" PS/2 Drive. These things are proprietary, so I can't test it, but I think it works. Not sure if it's high density or low density, but I suppose someone who is looking for one would know. Model Number DFL413C04A. I think these things are expensive to replace. ~$35 MFM Hard Drive Controller Cards. I've got three of these, and I have no way of testing them. Two of them are 8-bit cards, and one is a sixteen bit card with a floppy controller built in. ~$10 for the 8-bits ~$15 for the 16-bit card w/floppy. Interesting cable. Seems to convert from a VGA plug to an EGA plug. That is, standard nine-pin to VGA 15 pin. Made by Hewlett Packard. Part No. D1181-80020 ~$10 I've sold stuff like this before, and it was a huge success, with many satisfied people trading or bartering stuff they didn't need anymore. I usually ship through the U.S. Postal Service (haven't had any problems yet) and the shipping costs will be split or negotiated. Well, that's all folks. As I said before, no offer will be refused. If you can convince me to give OCit to you instead of throwing it out, TRY! I hate to throw away stuff... -Wayne wdempsey@athena.mit.edu (617)-225-9349
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Date: 26 Apr 1993 07:03:34 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Message-ID: <1rg1g6$5hr@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <C5t0s7.1E0@Novell.COM> <1993Apr22.165505.29691@pencom.com> <1993Apr23.080643.1880@prim> In article <1993Apr23.080643.1880@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >>> Is there a simple address book type program for NeXT? >> >>Yes. Workspace! >>NS 3.0 includes such a feature in .addresses folders. > >This appears to be something that lists the addresses of everyone who has an >account on your machine by looking in their home directories for .plan files. >Not that useful as a general address book. Anyone know if it can be used any >other way? eh? Have you played around with it? It's pretty useful as a general address book ... If you double click the .address file (looks like a rolodex ... neat :) ), a new browser is poped up ... if you open up your inspector, you'll find that you can edit address, group address. There are slots for fax,e-mail, address, also extra info. You can set up fax lists (I haven't cause I don't have a fax, so i can't confirm). If you look in workspace menu, under files, you'll find that you can also add files, delete files ... etc. The only problem that I have with the program is that when you group the leafs, it is just a link to the .address directory. If you want to update the leaf, you have to find it in the .address directory. All in all, a pretty useful tool for someone who needs just a basic database structure ... and it's "free". I hope I cleared up some misconseptions ... >Dave Griffiths later, Joel Belog
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kluge daniel) Subject: Re: IRC Client Binaries Wanted Message-ID: <1993Apr26.110454.3891@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <1r5dej$arc@news1.digex.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 11:04:54 GMT glenn@iridium.digex.net (Glenn Rempe) writes: : Hi, I am looking for a binary IRC client that I can set up on my NeXTstation : (Still valid spelling?) without to much trouble. Any pointers would be : appreciated! : : Thanks, : Glenn : I the compiled Clients both ircII 2.2.1.2 and 2.2.2.prepl10, they're working, except the /ENCRYPT feature ends with an memory allocation faliure (bug reported, but not yet solved). But I don't have a server anymore :-( tell me where U wna't them, or how.. -da neil : : -- : GLENN D. REMPE (NeXTMAIL) : glenn@iridium.digex.net : 900 North Stafford St., #2017 : Arlington, VA 22203-1849 : Voice: (703) 276-2350 : FAX: (703) 243-4398 -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/I Interrupt latency Date: 26 Apr 1993 11:47:14 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <1rgi42INN6ca@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi. I'm considering the feasibility of porting my DOS-based real time acquisition system to NS-Intel. Running DOS on my 486DX2-66 it takes an average of about 10 microseconds from the time I apply a hardware interrupt pulse until my first instruction is called (In the absence of disk or video access). Naturally, kernel-based systems do worse than this. IBM advertises a 3 milli-second maximum kernel interrupt latency. There's no mention of this in the glossy NeXT NS/I advertising. Has NeXT made a statement concerning the NS/I interrupt latency? Has anybody measured it (with and without active "Uninterruptable" kernel processes)? Finally, is anybody working on a commercial real-time acquisition system? Anybody who has seen LabView on Macs or DACQ on HP workstations must appreciate the market that opens up now that we have a decent operating system to go with the THOUSANDS of low-priced acquisition accessories that are available for the ISA bus. -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: advocacy != inflamatory was Re: Unmoderated ... Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <930424.141507.5W1.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> <1993Apr25.160056.13031@Happy-Man.com> <1993Apr26.012729.26695@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 10:32:52 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Apr26.103252.9862@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Apr26.012729.26695@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes: > >[...] Right now there is only one NeXTStep reader, newsgrazer, >and the guy that wrote is out trying to make a living. I'm posting this on a NeXTStep newsreader that is not NewsGrazer. And if I didn't spend so much time reading news it would have been finished _months_ ago. :-) Dave Griffiths
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Seeking SIMPLE Address book program. Message-ID: <63.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 06:59:03 PDT References: <1993Apr24.183101.6674@prim> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) > References: <1993Apr22.165505.29691@pencom.com> <1993Apr23.080643.1880@prim> <1993Apr24.165627.6209@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 18:31:01 +0000 > Message-ID: <1993Apr24.183101.6674@prim> > > Oh yes. Neat. (You have to make it writable first). Where is the actual > address data stored? I'd like to know what key it uses for the telephone > numbers in order to put them in the RTF template. > > Dave Griffiths Is there any /Documentation on .addresses and RTF templates? I couldn't find any. Both seem like useful concepts...I would like to know how they might generalize. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 4M (PS) Problem with Calibrated Color Space Message-ID: <64.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 07:14:57 PDT References: <1rb7oa$frn@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) > Message-ID: <1rb7oa$frn@agate.berkeley.edu> > Reply-To: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu > NNTP-Posting-Host: moica.berkeley.edu > Xref: nwnexus comp.lang.postscript:17335 comp.sys.next.hardware:4475 comp.sys.next.misc:28257 > > I am having a problem with HP LaserJet 4M 600 dpi (with PS SIMM) with > respect to calibrated color space. > > The symptom is that all gray value >= 0.84 becomes completely white and > there is no gradation for gray values in the range 0.84 - 1.0. > (Or density <= 16% becomes complete white.) > This only happens with HP LaserJet 4 (with PS SIMM). Exactly the > same file printed on NeXT 400dpi laser printer shows good shades of > grays for all values (0 - 1). > This obviously messes up my density plots (light gray becomes complete > white). > > HPLJ4's 600dpi is great, but I didn't expect this problem. > Thanks for your help. Halftone shading is very sensitive to the resolution and imaging process of the device, as well as some of the PostScript implementation settings. (By the way, are you printing to HP from NEXTSTEP...or how?) Adobe recognized this and gives you some control through the setscreen and settransfer functions. setscreen lets you control the resolution and spot generation of the halftone dots themselves; settransfer lets you map the setgray value to another 0<=x<=1 value that is more appropriate to your situaton. .1 setgray is visually quite different on a LaserWriter and a 2500dpi imagesetter. I believe these functions can be controlled by the .ppd file for the printer so you don't have to code all the device specific stuff into your app. Hope this helps --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: Calculators. Message-ID: <C63o4r.EED@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1993Apr25.161159.4990@newshost.lanl.gov> <1993Apr25.211634.17315@wri.com> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 16:50:50 GMT In <1993Apr25.211634.17315@wri.com> markm@wri.com writes: >And I use a HP-15C sitting beside my NeXT. It's sooo much faster than firing >up a calc-app to do quickie stuff. Especially when it comes to moving the >mouse to point and click numbers. Of course I use Mathematica for anything >complex. >--Mark Digit 2.0m allows for keyboard entry. It is also pretty "light" so it doesn't take too long to start. This app is available on many sites. Try archie -s Digit to find where. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca NeXT Computer, Inc. mtacchi@NeXT.COM (NeXT Mail Welcome) "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: List of defaults? Date: 26 Apr 1993 18:22:19 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1rh98r$5i4@menudo.uh.edu> Is there a list anywhere of all the various system defaults that can be set with dread? I.e, for Loginwindow, Workspace, System, etc... If so, can someone send it to me? -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: rs05@newshost.gte.com (Russell Sasnett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3rd Party SW CD-ROM Message-ID: <10434@ceylon.gte.com> Date: 26 Apr 93 19:11:36 GMT Sender: news@ceylon.gte.com Followup-To: rs05@gte.com Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham, MA wouldn't it be nice if all the vendors who have compiled their software for NS/FIP got together and pressed a CD with demo-crippled but fully licensable versions of their latest stuff (including docs) for release at Expo? you get on-line docs only, have to call the vendor with a credit card or PO to register the app and have it enabled with a key, can get printed docs optionally for more money, etc., etc. might this be coordinated by ANDI? a consistent complaint goes "there isn't much software for NeXT; but there's 400 billion packages for Windows and Macs at 1/2 the price ..." a collection of perhaps 30 very high quality apps on a single free or cheap CD would do much to answer this charge. --Russ rs05@gte.com
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: lilley@v5.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 4M (PS) Problem with Calibrated Color Space Message-ID: <1993Apr26.190959.18211@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Sender: lilley@umrcc.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) Organization: Computer Graphics Unit, MCC References: <1rb7oa$frn@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 19:09:59 GMT In article <1rb7oa$frn@agate.berkeley.edu>, izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >I am having a problem with HP LaserJet 4M 600 dpi (with PS SIMM) with >respect to calibrated color space. >The symptom is that all gray value >= 0.84 becomes completely white and >there is no gradation for gray values in the range 0.84 - 1.0. >(Or density <= 16% becomes complete white.) >This only happens with HP LaserJet 4 (with PS SIMM). Exactly the >same file printed on NeXT 400dpi laser printer shows good shades of >grays for all values (0 - 1). >This obviously messes up my density plots (light gray becomes complete >white). >To test this fully, I wrote a simple EPS file included below. It >prints a density calibration chart in 1% steps from 0 .. 100%. >[...] > /NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace > {mark /NXCalibratedRGB /ColorSpace findresource exch pop}stopped > {cleartomark /NXCalibratedRGB[/CIEBasedABC 2 dict dup begin > /MatrixLMN[.4124 .2126 .0193 .3576 .7152 .1192 .1805 .0722 .9505]def > /WhitePoint[.9505 1 1.089] def end] /ColorSpace defineresource}if def}ifelse > /nxsetrgbcolor{NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace setcolorspace setcolor}__NXbdef > /nxsetgray{dup dup nxsetrgbcolor}__NXbdef >} { > % PS Level-1 definitions (excerpts) >------------------------------------------------- > /nxsetrgbcolor{setrgbcolor}__NXbdef > /nxsetgray{setgray}__NXbdef [...] >% I use 'nxsetgray' to enable Level-2 Color Calibration > >/paperwidth 612 def % already defined >/paperheight 792 def >/temp-str 10 string def > >% i on stack [...] > 100 div nxsetgray OK. So you test for Level 2 and if present, use a calibrated RGB space. Good idea if you want the same colours on different devices. Your problem is that (any) RGB space is not perceptually linear, so it is not an appropriate choice in this instance. I suggest you use a CIEBasedA colour space for nxsetgray. This will give you an even gradation between black and white in your loop. Try this example: ---------------- snip snip -------------- %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-2.0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 500 300 %%Pages: 1 /boxit { %% draw a box gsave /uy exch def /ux exch def /ly exch def /lx exch def 1 setlinewidth 0 setgray lx ly moveto lx uy lineto ux uy lineto ux ly lineto closepath stroke grestore } def %%Page: 1 1 %% First do the Y component from 0 to 1. Use ISO D65 whitepoint. [/CIEBasedA << /MatrixA [0.9504 1 1.0889] /RangeLMN [0 0.9504 0 1 0 1.0889] /WhitePoint [0.9504 1 1.0889] >>] setcolorspace 4.0 setlinewidth 0 0.001 1.0 { dup setcolor 400 mul 25 add dup 25 moveto 125 lineto stroke } for 25 25 425 125 boxit %% now do the L* component from 0 to 100 %% set up L* monochrome colourspace [/CIEBasedA << /RangeA [0 100] /DecodeA {16 add 116 div dup 6 29 div ge {dup dup mul mul} {4 29 div sub 108 841 div mul} ifelse} bind /MatrixA [0.9504 1 1.0889] /RangeLMN [0 0.9504 0 1 0 1.0889] /WhitePoint [0.9504 1 1.0889] >>] setcolorspace 0 1 100 { dup setcolor 4 mul 25 add dup 175 moveto 275 lineto stroke } for 25 175 425 275 boxit showpage %%EOF ---------------- snip snip --------------- -- Chris Lilley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road, Manchester, UK. M13 9PL Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045 Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jdeclari@is.rpslmc.edu (John-William DeClaris) Subject: Re: How do you Kill Swapping? Message-ID: <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> Sender: news@rpslmc.edu Organization: Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center References: <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 20:39:48 GMT In article <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> alby@access.digex.com (Albatross) writes: > > How can you Fix a NeXT machine so that it stops swapping > and slowing down the system?? Causae it's causing 5 sec delays > 2-3 times a minute...? > > > > PLEASE EMAIL me back.. I rarly read the news... > Could the person who knows the answer to this question also post his/her response on this bulletin, some of do read the news... -- John-William DeClaris All comments made by me are mine and not reflective of RUSH or anyone else... even any spelling errors I most likely made. Live each day as if it were your last, because someday it will be.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: NeXT Printer and Macs Message-ID: <1993Apr26.211651.29100@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 21:16:51 GMT Does anyone have any exerience of printing to a NeXT printer (connected to a NeXT Dimensions) in an ethernet? (E-mail appreciated - I will post a resume.) - Barre -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Barre Ludvigsen borrel@dhhalden.no (office) Associate Professor borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (home) Ostfold Regional College (NeXTMail OK) Department of Computer Science bludvigs@ulrik.uio.no Os Alle 9 73277.3443@Compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: How do you Kill Swapping? Message-ID: <C64058.9vH@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 21:10:19 GMT In article <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> jdeclari@is.rpslmc.edu (John-William DeClaris) writes: > In article <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> alby@access.digex.com (Albatross) > writes: > > > > How can you Fix a NeXT machine so that it stops swapping > > and slowing down the system?? Causae it's causing 5 sec delays > > 2-3 times a minute...? Add memory. -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: Re: How do you Kill Swapping? Message-ID: <1993Apr26.223225.1818@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 22:32:25 GMT In article <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> jdeclari@is.rpslmc.edu (John-William DeClaris) writes: > In article <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> alby@access.digex.com (Albatross) > writes: > > > > How can you Fix a NeXT machine so that it stops swapping > > and slowing down the system?? Causae it's causing 5 sec delays > > 2-3 times a minute...? > > > > > > > > PLEASE EMAIL me back.. I rarly read the news... > > > Could the person who knows the answer to this question also post > his/her response on this bulletin, some of do read the news... Swapping happens when virtual memory is used. It is slow and intended for extraordinary temporary memory demands. If you find that your system is swapping all the time there is really only one thing you can do -- BUY MORE MEMORY! In *my* experience, a mono NeXT normally needs at least 20 MB to run. If you have colour you need more. If you use memory demanding programs (symbolic math, huge spreadsheets, pictures, etc) you need more. It is also the case that window manager eats memory, so all machines start swapping if you stay logged in long enough. This can be helped by logging out and restarting it by logging in as "exit" with no password. Finally, the memory tends to become "fragmented", and the only solution is to reboot. We tend to reboot our machines regularly to improve performance. These things will only help you if your machines tends to start swapping when you have been on for some time. If you find that you swap regularly, you have to get more RAM. My daily wordprocessor (etc) machine has 32, the machine I run Mathematica on 64... -- Magnus Nordborg Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred)
From: goldly@u.washington.edu (Lloyd P. Goldwasser) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: disconnecting Message-ID: <1rhpnjINNs04@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: 26 Apr 93 23:03:15 GMT Article-I.D.: shelley.1rhpnjINNs04 Organization: University of Washington The other day I was connected to the network through a modem on a NeXT. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of logging off the NeXT before logging out of the net and hanging up the modem. I believe that the network disconnected me after a period of inactivity, but I can't convince my modem to relax its grip. I had been connected via tip3, a variant of tip, and at first I couldn't even get tip3 to start: it gave the message Couldn't open /dev/cua Unix error follows: Device busy. I changed the ownership on cua, cub, cufa, and cufb from uucp to myself, which allowed me to start tip3 without the error message, but couldn't get it to *do* anything. After powering down and starting over again, I'm back to the error message. The modem is a Dove FaxModem. Through all of this (except when the power was off), its lights are on for Modem Ready, Data Terminal Ready, Auto Answer, and Fax Mode (although I wasn't doing anything with faxes; it was a normal modem connection). They came on like this by themselves after I turned the power back on. Is there any way to return my modem and whatever is controlling the device from whatever limbo they are in? Any help would be appreciated! Thank you, Lloyd Goldwasser goldly@u.washington.edu goldwalp@zoology.washington.edu
From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Mike Judson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: dvorak keyboard Message-ID: <29615@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: 26 Apr 93 22:42:16 GMT Sender: news@galaxy.ucr.edu How do you put a Dvorak layout on the keyboard? If you know, could you E-mail? Thanks. -- If you go parachuting, and your parachute doesn't open, and you friends are all watching you fall, I think a funny gag would be to pretend you were swimming. Jack Handy judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: mctate@ac.dal.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems with X11R5 on mono slab Message-ID: <1993Apr26.194402.13195@ac.dal.ca> Date: 26 Apr 93 19:44:02 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Hi folks, I just downloaded X11R5 from "foxtrot" for use on my mono slab. After following the instructions in the .readmefirst file (I think) correctly, when I run /LocalApps/Xfe the screen blanks, and the standard background appears. Then, just when you think you've done it, you're dumped back into NS 3.0, sometimes with the loss of the cursor. I've scanned the help file for Xfe with no joy, can anybody suggest something that I might have done wrong ? All help appreciated, please reply directly to mctate@ac.dal.ca Thanks in anticipation, Marcus Tate Dept. Earth Sci. Dalhousie Univ. Halifax, NS, Canada.
From: bill@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: C-News for NSI Date: 26 Apr 1993 15:52:39 -0700 Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program Message-ID: <1rhp3n$310@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu> References: <1993Apr22.053629.710@eps.com> uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) writes: >Does anyone know if the current version of C-News for the NeXT is compatible >with NSI?. And if not, where can I find the latest version. >steve@eps.com Might I recommend using INN instead? It seems a lot faster, and it has debugging tools as well. I'm a lot happier without C-news. Bill -- {{{{ bill eldridge 310-206-3960 x }}}} {{{{ bill@cognet.ucla.edu 310-206-3987 fax xxx }}}} {{{{ ~more, ~better, ~faster [80's motto] x }}}} {{{{ ~hot, ~toxic, and ~shallow [90's motto] }}}}
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aru@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Douglas S McClure) Subject: CD-ROM Review: Electronic AppWrapper Message-ID: <C64Apu.B1B@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:58:36 GMT Hi, I'm posting these reviews for a friend. I setup things so that you can reply back to him if you wish. Do NOT reply back to 'aru@sonata...'. He would post them himself except his news feed isn't sending anything outbound. -sri ---------- ELECTRONIC APPWRAPPER Paget Press Inc 206-448-0845 2125 Western Avenue, Suite 300 206-448-2350 fax Seattle, WA 98121-2136 aw@paget.com Price: $24/4 issues per year $36/International GENERAL Electronic AppWrapper is the CD-ROM based version of the AppWrapper published by Paget Press. It is much more than that, though. It is a multimedia software package aimed at bringing commercial NeXT software to your home for demonstration and purchase. It solely concentrates on the commercial software world, leaving public domain and shareware to others. It includes a paper catalog that lists all items for sale, as well as some instructions on the use of the product. For developers, EAW is a great way to distribute and market your program without any advertising, or packaging costs. It is not quite the true electronic distribution, like ftp and the archives are, but this can reach a lot of customers who do not have access to ftp. It also can automate purchases for you, and unlock products (such as decrypting fonts). EAW has brought to this package some very professional graphic images and music to create a stunningly rich program. I definitely recommend you listen to it through a good pair of speakers; it adds a lot. Sound is used quite liberally, especially while the program loads certain sections. After a few seconds, I quickly forgot that this was supposed to help distribute software, and started thinking of it as entertainment. You will definitely want to copy the programs to your hard drive, but beware! The programs will need 20-30MB (this issue took up 26MB) of space, which does not even include the graphic images and product descriptions for each product. These are left on the disk, which means you must have the EAW disk mounted, whenever you want to use the product catalog or the order form software to order products or browse through product information.. The first issue did not come in a jewel case. According to a representative from Paget, the disk is disposable after each quarterly update, and the "tea-bag" that holds each CD is manufacturer approved for indefinite storage, so there no need for a jewel case. I do, however, have a hard time storing the disk in my CD shelves, and if you do, as well, I would consider purchasing a jewel case to reuse for each CD. Currently, a lot of the content on this disk is available through the NeXT archives, or is on other CD-ROM disks. There are products on EAW that are not on other disks, but likewise, the reverse is true (notably, anything from Lighthouse). In the future, I would expect to see much more available on this product. PRODUCT CATALOG The main place of action is the product catalog program, EAW.app. This program allows you to browse through lists of programs, view full screen snapshots of what a program looks like, get product information, and even try out a demostration version of a program. One of the most entertaining features was a pop-up story, called Twist. Split into five parts, each part pops up at random times so you can read it. You can also bring up a table of contents of the story and jump to a specific section. For some reason, I never saw part five until I specifically requested it. In addition to this story, there are pop-up messages that appear at random times to talk about some event or product. I only saw a couple of these, but if you stay in the program longer, you will see more. There is also a user groups section, which lists both NeXT user groups, and NeXT contractors and companies. This is extremely useful if you need to find someone located in your area to work on a NeXT project. Another section provides a few UNIX tips for novice users, and a free ObjectiveC class for your use. If you are interested in the music and the graphics found in this program, there is also a section which will explain how they were chosen, and who produced them. The main body of the product catalog section is divided into three parts. There is a list of all the products that the disk has information about, a text window for any product or company brochures, and a graphic window that shows a shrunken snapshot of what the screen would look like. The list of products has two options, one for showing only what is available for sale, and the other for doing searches in general. Unfortunately, you can not mix the two searches. (ie: doing a general search always checks all the products) The search facility is otherwise very good. You can search by category, company, or specific word. This really helps pinpoint a program, since there are over 400 products listed. There is only about half that many actually for sale through EAW; the rest just have product descriptions. The text window contains a short synopsis of what a product does, or you can also ask about company information, if it is provided. The graphic window is where I believe the major slowdown in this program comes. For almost every product for sale, there is a full screen graphic snapshot. Clicking on this snapshot will expand the picture and temporarily take over the screen. When you select a product to display its information, the program loads this graphic, as well as the text brochure, off of the CD-ROM. These graphics are very large, and take considerable time to load. There is no option to turn off loading of the picture until you specifically request it. Without that option, EAW can become slow to use. The product catalog section also features an order button. This starts up the order form application, and adds the current product to a sales order. The bad news on this otherwise extremely slick program is that it was built using CraftMan. While I have nothing against CraftMan, it does not make for a very fast program. The usage of sound and music helps to cover up part of the time lapse caused by extremely slow loading. Once everything is loaded, the program moves along much quicker, but the product catalog section is still extremely slow. Because all of the product information, graphics snapshots, and the actual programs are on CD, this application can not be used without it. To be truthful, it can, but you will not get any of the product information when you select a product. Also, the sounds that make this product special are on the CD so you will not hear any of those either. If you just want to check out the user groups or NeXT software producers, you can do that without the CD, as all that information is copied with the application itself. ORDER FORM The second part of this product is the Order Form application. You must have the CD-ROM installed for it to work. This program receives messages from the EAW application, or you can choose from a list of products available through a browser. Either way, all entries are added to an order form. You can specify quantity for each item. The application completes the process by figuring up prices and discounts. You can then either send the order through email, which is the preferred method, or by fax or US mail. If you send the order through email, it encrypts the message and sends it to Paget. When Paget gets it, they check your credit card, get all the product keys, and then send you any keys to unlock products and/or the actual product through regular distribution channels. I did not order anything from EAW, so it is hard to tell how well this works in practice. PRODUCTS & PRICES There are quite a few products available through EAW. A sound clip at the beginning says there are over 200. In the paper catalog, I counted about 180 products. However, some of that is deceptive, since I counted 58 separate fonts and art pictures. Still, there are quite a few products here. Some are available in demonstration form on the archives, or other CD-ROM disks. Others are not, and some products are not even available through NeXTConnection. The reverse is unfortunately true also. There is nothing from Lighthouse nor from Rightbrain, two places I have purchased several packages from. EAW is a great place for the small developer to sell his products. I am not sure how much volume you need in order for NeXTConnection to sell your product, but with EAW, that does not seem to be a problem. The large and small developers can distribute through EAW. EAW offers several special deals for the bulk buyer. There are several bundled groups of packages such as Lotus, WriteNow, Engage! and Dataphile all bundled up and offered for a slightly lower price. In addition, if you are buying $1000 worth of products, you get a 1% discount. For each $1000 above that, you get an additional 1% off. This goes up only to $5000. Of course, if you are going to make a significant order, say on the order of $100,000, then they will of course negotiate with you. Now for the really bad news, almost everything is cheaper from NeXTConnection, and sometimes significantly so. DataPhile, for instance, is more than $100 cheaper from NeXTConnection. Objective Technologies products are even stranger; half of them are much cheaper from NeXTConnection, while the rest are cheaper from AppWrapper. I checked out some of the 'bundles' in EAW and found I could save even more money if I bought the individual products from NeXTConnection. After investigating AppWrapper's catalog, I found about a 5 to 1 ratio favoring NeXTConnection with lower prices. Even if you buy in large quantities, unless you are talking about $100K amounts, the volume discounts, still, will not be able to beat NeXTConnections regular prices. SUMMARY I really like EAW. For what it does, it is a very slick application. The use of sound and graphics is very pleasing, and the program worked extremely well. The concept is great too. You get updates every quarter, you can then demo the software, and order it all from one convenient place, and if you have email, you can just do it all from your NeXT, without having to call anyone. For companies, I see this as a great way for the CIS manager to check out new products and decide if there is anything they can use. The speed of the product is disappointing, but I think that could be fixed to some degree, and really should be. Much as I like it, I rarely wish to take the time to start it up, and use it. The really big, major disappointment is the pricing. I could live with all the other problems, but not with the higher prices of the products. I would like to see a cooperative venture between Paget and NeXTConnection, to offer the excellent distribution method that EAW provides, as well as, the better prices NeXTConnection has. Either that, or hopefully Paget will be able to start buying programs in bulk, so that they can, in turn, offer us much lower prices. Despite the problems, EAW is an extremely great and inexpensive way to preview new software. At only $24, even if you never buy anything from Paget, this product will provide you with a very entertaining and useful way to receive demonstration products quickly and easily. NOTES FROM PAGET When I talked to Paget, they did agree with me that the pricing is a problem, since they do not sell in quantity like NeXTConnection does. They hope that developers will realize the advantages to being able to sell their product from a CD-ROM, such as "...reduced packaging costs, knowing who 100% of there customers are, etc...", and will start offering Paget the kind of discounts you can expect with places like NeXTConnection. On the next issue, you may expect to see better pricing, performance, new layout and functionality (including new art and music), more products for sale, better searching abilities, and much more. -- Copyright Doug McClure, 1993. All trademarks property of respective owners. You may distribute, copy, or publish this however you see fit, as long as the entire document is quoted in its entirety.
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: Hacked FIX! -- (HP LaserJet 4M PS Problem with NeXT Calibrated Color) Date: 27 Apr 1993 06:54:06 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rilae$ga0@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1r8n78$mvg@agate.berkeley.edu> Keywords: Calibrated Color, CIEBasedABC, DecodeLMN, setgray, setrgbcolor, HP LaserJet, NeXT In article <1r8n78$mvg@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >In article <1qvlm6$22l@rosie.next.com> Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) writes: > >>Another option is to use the >>NXColorCalibrateLevelOneOps default to turn of color calibration of "old" >>operators such as setrgbcolor from your application: >> >> dwrite appname NXColorCalibrateLevelOneOps NO >> >>Note that this forced color calibration is only done on EPS files. If your >>application itself generates "setrgbcolor," it's left uncalibrated. > >I am having a related problem with printing on HP LaserJet 4M 600 dpi >(with PS), and I have determined that this problem has to do with >color calibration. > >The symptom is that all setgray value >= 0.84 becomes completely white and >there is no gradation for setgray values in the range 0.84 - 1.0. >(0=Black, 1=White). >This only happens with HP LaserJet 4 (with PS SIMM). Exactly the >same file printed on NeXT 400dpi laser printer shows good shades of >grays for all values (0 - 1). >This obviously messes up my density plots (light gray becomes complete >white). > >I am NOT importing any EPS files. All the PS code is generated solely >by my application and AppKit (printPackage.ps). So, Ali's suggestion >of doing the above dwrite doesn't work for me. Here's a quick fix for the above setgray problem for low density (0-16%, near-white) grays on HPLJ4. I have done a trial-and-error adjustments of the /DecodeLMN entry in the CIEBasedABC color space dictionary in the NeXT's printPackage.ps (/usr/lib/NextStep/printPackage.ps) for level-2 devices. This makes output from the HP LaserJet4M with PS option OK for our use, and has no ill effects on the NeXT 400dpi Laser printer, or on any level-1 printers. This change might not be optimal for other PS level-2 printers, or level-2 color printers. Judging from the responses posted and mailed to me. The problem seems to be quite wide-spread among many level-2 printers. Similar problems are reportedly seen on: Apple LaserWriter IIg (with PhotoGrade enabled), 0-25% density -> white. Apple LaserWriter 630 Pro, 0-18% density -> white. Xerox Docutech 600dpi, 0-20% density -> white. HP LaserJet 4 w/PS, 0-16% density -> white. Presumably, these variations require adjustments to the two numbers in the line below that specifies /DecodeLMN array. My correction simply does a linear transformation for clamping the 0% and 100% density end-points of the gray scale. Ideally, there is a better non-linear transformation that gives you gray-scale linearity, but I don't have time or equipment to do that calibration. Perhaps, modifying /usr/lib/NeXT/printPackage.ps is bad, especially considering possible side effects, and this kind of thing may be possible with PPD files. I don't know. Any case, I thought some of you might want to see a quick fix that may make the printer usable. A strange thing is that none of the changes I make in this process makes a damn difference to the gray scales on the NeXT 400dpi laser printer. It makes me suspect that NeXT may have cheated here by disabling the whole Calibrated Color space thing for the 400dpi printer. Here's the hacked patch to /usr/lib/NextStep/printPackage.ps: # diff -c printPackage.ps.orig printPackage.ps ----- cut here ------------------------------------------------------------ *** printPackage.ps.orig Tue Jul 21 16:59:24 1992 --- printPackage.ps Mon Apr 26 19:05:33 1993 *************** *** 146,152 **** /NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace where{pop}{ /NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace {mark /NXCalibratedRGB /ColorSpace findresource exch pop}stopped ! {cleartomark /NXCalibratedRGB[/CIEBasedABC 2 dict dup begin /MatrixLMN[.4124 .2126 .0193 .3576 .7152 .1192 .1805 .0722 .9505]def /WhitePoint[.9505 1 1.089] def end] /ColorSpace defineresource}if def}ifelse /nxsetrgbcolor{NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace setcolorspace setcolor}__NXbdef --- 146,153 ---- /NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace where{pop}{ /NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace {mark /NXCalibratedRGB /ColorSpace findresource exch pop}stopped ! {cleartomark /NXCalibratedRGB[/CIEBasedABC 3 dict dup begin ! /DecodeLMN[{0.04 add 0.81 mul} bind dup dup] def /MatrixLMN[.4124 .2126 .0193 .3576 .7152 .1192 .1805 .0722 .9505]def /WhitePoint[.9505 1 1.089] def end] /ColorSpace defineresource}if def}ifelse /nxsetrgbcolor{NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace setcolorspace setcolor}__NXbdef -- cut here -------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Use at your own risk! *** -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: sound questions Keywords: how to get sound out Message-ID: <2263@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: 27 Apr 93 07:56:46 GMT Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). I have two totally unrelated questions about sound on my next. 1) I bought a CDat device to record/play from/to an audio DAT drive. The transfer from the DAT to the HD works fine. However, the other way around I get short breaks whenever somebody else accesses the HD (daemons, update, ,). I use a program provided by the vendor of the CDat which uses a standard Sound object to do the transfer. Sndplay has no problems, but digital editing was the whole objective. Is this fixable in 2.1? Does an upgrade to 3.0 help? (I have 20M RAM, in fact the first ~2 minutes go fine). 2) In the 2.1 manual it mentions that the 44.1 kHz output is available also as a standard unox device. Which one? And is it possible to just open("/dev/...") and feed it a stream of shorts, or do I have to do this in Mach? Thanks for any insights... Geert Jan van Oldenborgh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: Advice on PC Hardware running NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Apr26.150202.2794@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Apr24.112246.764@ctcvax.ccf.swri.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 15:02:02 GMT In article <1993Apr24.112246.764@ctcvax.ccf.swri.edu> writes: > Folks: I need help selecting a PC to run NEXTSTEP. I am considering DELL DGX, @50Mhz, > with on-board JAWS, 32MB RAM, 700MB HD and 17in monitor. > > Here are my questions: > 1) Is this machine good for floating point execution? > > 2) Apparently it will not support the Pentium chip when it comes out--is this a big > disadvantage? My understand is that the Pentium may not be all that great when > run on a 486-designed platform anyway. > > 3) What is the best monitor to go with it? I am considering the 17in monitor supplied by DELL. > > 4) Is there anything else I need to run NEXTSTEP 3.1? e.g. networking hardware ... etc. or is all > this included with NEXTSTEP? > > The machine will be used mainly for wordprocessing (TeX/LaTeX, FrameMaker, WordPerfect(if they > get there act together)) and graphics in engineering applications. > Also plan to run at least the Mathematica front-end on it connected to e.g. a sun server, > along with xwindows such as co-Xist. > > Thanks in advance for any help! ...Peter > From the standpoint of price you could look at the Gateway 2000 system in a similar configuration. The 17" monitor is the Nanao that has a good rep. They offer an adaptec SCSI controler at no additional charge. They come with the ATI Ultra Pro VESA. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
From: wjs@blorf.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT newsreaders was Re: advocacy != inflamatory was Re: Unmoderated ... Message-ID: <1rj7qmINN3of@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: 27 Apr 93 12:09:58 GMT Article-I.D.: shelley.1rj7qmINN3of References: <1993Apr26.103252.9862@prim> Organization: University of Washington Joe says: > Right now there is only one NeXTStep reader, newsgrazer, > and the guy that wrote is out trying to make a living. If you think > the quality is so bad, then put a NeXT front end on nn or something > else. Say it ain't so, Joe. Actually, there are four that I know of: 1) NewsGrazer, by Jayson Adams, now of Millenium Softworks. 2) NewsBase, from Japan. Don't know how well it works, last time I downloaded it I was impressed with how much was there but I don't think I got it working. 3) Dunno, by Simpson Garfinkle. This was his thesis work; I don't know if it was finished, and I don't think it was released. 4) News, by me. This is just a news*reader* to date; I never wrote the posting part (although the icons and nibs are all there). None-the-less, mine has the distinct advantage that source is available, so if anyone wanted to write a full newsreader it'd be really easy. -William Shipley The Omni Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aru@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Douglas S McClure) Subject: CD-ROM Review: Intro (please read first) Message-ID: <C64AG5.9vy@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:52:52 GMT Hi, I'm posting these reviews for a friend. I setup things so that you can reply back to him if you wish. Do NOT reply back to 'aru@sonata...'. He would post them himself except his news feed isn't sending anything outbound. -sri ---------- NEXT CD-ROM REVIEW and HELPFUL HINTS TO USING CD-ROMS ON THE NEXT by Doug McClure The NeXT community has always been fortunate in having several standard FTP archive sites to go to when looking for NeXT related material. Programs, source code, information, etc. are all conveniently accessible if you happen to be directly connected to the network. For many of us, that is unfortunately, not the case. Even for those who are, the logistics of downloading and storing hundreds of megabytes of software, at these sites, makes it virtually impossible. Enter CD-ROM. Inexpensive, permanent, and able to hold 600+MB on a single disk, they are an excellent solution for distributing huge quantities of material, without the traditional problems of time spent downloading and organizing, as well as the cost of storing this information on traditional hard disks. I will be reviewing five of these products, each in a separate posting. These products include: monoLib, Nova, Big Green CD, CD-ROM News, and the Electronic AppWrapper. The last two of these are subscription based products, while the others are single purchase items. Before you read the reviews, be sure to read the information below to more fully understand parts of my review. *** REASONS TO OWN ONE There are several compelling reasons to purchase a CD-ROM product. First: cost. Even the most expensive CD product ($99), is hundreds of dollars less than what it would cost to store the same information on a hard drive. That does not include the telecommunications costs (if applicable), or the cost in time for you to download the software, and organize it. Second: storage. CD-ROMs offer a near-indestructible storage option. You do not have to worry about hard drives crashing, accidentally erasing files, or any other such calamity. In addition, the information is available when you need to access it, but does not take up space on your hard drive. Third: time. It would take considerable time to obtain the same information, found on these CDs, if you have to download from archives and then organize. Fourth: variety. Besides offering NeXT programs, these CD-ROMs also provide other public-domain programs, graphics, sounds, literature, etc. You can spend a lot of time trying to find all these resources, or you can let someone else do it for you. There are other reasons to buy CD-ROM products (transportability, multi-media news, etc). These are just some of the most important ones. If you are currently using FTP or mail to retrieve information, it may be time to consider whether a CD-ROM would better suit you. *** COMMON PROBLEMS Although CD-ROMs are an excellent tool for the NeXT user, they do come with some inherent problems that can make them unpleasant to work with. CD-ROMs are designed in a way that make random access extremely slow. Manufacturers of CD-ROM drives have made substantial gains in improving performance, but an average drive is still many times slower than a hard drive, and is even slower than the "slow" NeXT Optical Drive. Without design changes to the format of a CD-ROM, it is doubtful that access speeds will ever come close to approaching hard drive speeds. Much of how the NeXT software operates, aggravates the problem. If you are moving around in the browser, every time you change directories, the Workspace reads in the new directory's file list. On a hard drive with only a few milliseconds access time, this is no problem. On a CD-ROM, with access times in the hundreds of milliseconds, this quickly becomes a grueling test in patience. When you select a file or a program, the Workspace must access the disk to find what type of icon it should display. Librarian does something very similar. If you are using a Librarian index built on a CD-ROM, when you select a match, the disk is accessed to see what type of file icon should be present, and then displays it in a window. The biggest performance killer is copying files. The Workspace checks the size of all files it is going to copy to make sure that they will fit on a destination disk. This can double, even triple, the time it will take to transfer files. I once started a large copy and after several hours it finally stopped, and to my surprise, it had just finally figured out that the copy was too big for the destination disk! In my reviews, I mention CDD, or 'CD Depth', in referring to the layout on several of the disks. CDD refers to how many commands are needed to change to the directory with any particular file, from the root directory of a disk. The flatter a disk is, or the less depth it has, the lower the CDD is. I list two values in my reviews, an average and a maximum, average being how many 'cd's it takes to get to any particular file on average and a maximum worst case. Disks with higher average CDDs, have a deeper file structure, and thus, are slower to work with. The CDD value is important because the time it takes to access a file increases proportionally as a file is placed 'deeper' in a directory structure. Since a user can not write on a CD-ROM, they are somewhat dependent on the producer to provide indexing for a disk. Some companies use Librarian to index directories. Although this method is sufficient, Librarian can be very slow when used on a CD-ROM; and often the indexes are only provided for a subset of the disk. File lists are sometimes provided, almost always using 'ls -lR' to create the list. While this does provide a list of the content on a disk, you cannot use the UNIX 'grep' utility to find a complete pathname for a file. This is what I refer to when I say a file is not 'grep'able. Lists built from 'find' are much better for searching, since they will reveal the full pathname to a file when 'grep'ed. The quality of a disk layout is a fairly subjective question. I will review how the various products handle layout problems. One definite problem I will be pointing out occurs when a directory is wasted for the storage of just a single directory, or one or two files. This makes it more difficult for a user to navigate a disk. I will try to provide an objective review of how easy the layout is to navigate. *** HINTS ON USING CD-ROMS ON YOUR NeXT There is nothing you can do to make the Workspace or Librarian any faster, and you certainly can not reorganize the disk to a flatter structure. But you can, however, make your use of a disk significantly faster by following these simple tips. 0- Buy a FAST CD-ROM drive. Purchasing a fast CD-ROM drive is a definite must. Shop around and investigate drives, concentrating on access times, cache sizes, and transfer rates. There is quite a wide range of speeds. Some companies, like Toshiba, make drives with 200ms access times, while many others have 300ms access times or even greater. 1- Never use Workspace to browse, open, or copy files from a CD-ROM. All these activities can be accomplished from Terminal or Stuart. I suggest using the "scan" program (available in the comp.sources.misc archives). This program will give you some of the browsing power of Workspace, without causing more performance problems. You can even open files from scan, and with some work, you could write a shell script to copy files to a certain directory. 2- When using Librarian, always select all files at one time, which you possibly want to open. The first selection will require some disk access, but the rest will not. This can speed up the selection process greatly, although the opening of the files will still take quite a long time. 3- When using Librarian, after you get the list of matches, hit the Stop button. I have noticed that after the list of matches comes up, Librarian keeps on searching the disk, seemingly forever. I have yet to try to wait it out because I just do not have that much time to waste. 4- Use 'find' to create a file list of the content on a CD-ROM. Most disks provide a 'ls -lR' file list, if they provide one at all. A ls-lR file, unfortunately, does not print the full pathname for each file, and if you try to use 'grep' to find a particular filename, you will only find whether it exists, not its location. A 'find' file list will list the complete pathnames. Doing this can give you the ability to quickly and effectively search for files on a CD-ROM, and will make it easier to find which disk contains a file. -- Copyright Doug McClure, 1993. All trademarks property of respective owners. You may distribute, copy, or publish this however you see fit, as long as the entire document is quoted in its entirety.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aru@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Douglas S McClure) Subject: CD-ROM Review: monoLib Message-ID: <C64AJu.ACo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:55:05 GMT Hi, I'm posting these reviews for a friend. I setup things so that you can reply back to him if you wish. Do NOT reply back to 'aru@sonata...'. He would post them himself except his news feed isn't sending anything outbound. -sri ---------- MONOLIB monoChrome, Inc. 415-366-0900 x5512 (voice mail) 173 Westgate Drive kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu Edison, NJ 08820-1163 kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu Price: $90, $75 educational szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu volume discounts soni@rwja.umdnj.edu GENERAL The name, monoLib, as I understand it, stands for monolithic library. And indeed, it is a monolith! At 2 disks, and over one gigabyte of information, monoLib is the Schwarzenegger of CD-ROMs for the NeXT. Updated once or twice a year, this product concentrates on being the largest NeXT archive, as well as providing a treasure trove of material from other archives, such as Project Gutenberg files (free literature from some of the great authors, like Melville's Moby Dick). Last updated in November of 1992, this product is due for an upgrade in May or June. The next version, will include not only new information, but will come with all programs compiled with FatBinaries for NS/FIP. The first disk, labeled with a big 1, concentrates on applications and graphics. The second disk, with a big 2, is more concerned with information, multimedia, and source code. With this much information, any purchaser should be well occupied for quite some time. Lots of extras are provided: graphics, literature, USENET news, all usergroup newsletters, tons of sounds, and much more. The disks, unfortunately, come with no table of contents labeling, which would be very helpful. LAYOUT The layout of monoLib is highly structured and very organized. Applications are divided into sections without source (on the first disk) and those with source (on the second). They are then subdivided into NeXT or command line applications. The latter is further divided into NeXT and non-NeXT specific areas on the second disk. Each application has its own directory, even if there is only one file in that directory. In the news archive directory, news is separated into year, group, months, and finally subject lines. This is typical of the entire disk. Demonstration programs, however, are included right alongside the regular public domain ones, making it easy to search for them according to what they do. This type of organization benefits those who have a strong idea of what they are looking for. For example, if you are looking for a NeXTSTEP application dealing with graphics that has no source code, you can quickly locate it. If you are, however, just browsing for an application in a certain category, then this rigid structuring quickly becomes a hinderance. There are no less than five different application directories, two for applications without source, and three for those that include source. To make matters worse, the source and no-source directories are on different disks. Even if you do know what you are generally looking for (say a communications program), you may still have to switch disks to find it. Although the organization is highly beneficial, it does make browsing through monoLib a slow process. There are plenty of directories, especially in the application areas, which are wasted on a single file, or worse yet, a single directory. There is never a good reason to subdivide a directory into a single directory, especially with the inherent slowness of CD-ROMs. When using monoLib from the command line, the high degree of organization is easier to deal with, since moving around on the disks from a shell is much faster. Still, some of the organization tends to impede progress, even from the shell. Due to all this structuring, monoLib earned the highest average CDD at 5.9, and the highest max CDD at 10. One 'cd' was added to both of these scores as a penalty for having to switch disks. Even without that penalty, monoLib would still be ranked the highest. INDEXES With a disk set this large, indexing is a very real need. To find something in more than a gigabyte of disk is no small task, especially when you have to switch disks to search all of it. Unfortunately, monoLib only partially succeeds at this task. Each disk has a _General_Info directory which contains some files of basic information about the particular disk and a 'ls -lR' file list. This directory is indexed by Librarian, as well as much of the Information directory on the second disk. Having the file list indexed in Librarian is not very helpful. Either 'less', 'more', or Edit can quickly accomplish the same task. In addition, this file only covers the disk it is on. There is no way to determine if a file is on the disk that you are not using at the time. For monoLib, I strongly recommend creating a file list using 'find' that includes both disks. This will save time searching for files and determining which disk they are on. The Librarian indexes of the Information directory is, however, definitely useful. This directory contains the NeXT USENET news, tutorials, reference material (ie: NeXTanswers, FAQs), literature, and more. It would be much more difficult to use without Librarian. It is not fast, and you will spend a lot of time waiting for files to be opened, but it is the best method currently available. CONTENT With two disks, more than a gigabyte of information, how can you go wrong? There are hundreds of programs, graphics, sounds, a complete archive of NeXT USENET news from 1989 to 1991, all of the newsletters from all of the usergroups (as of Nov 92), and lots of literature. That is just scratching the surface. Probably, every last byte of information that was on the Purdue or Oregon archives as of November of 92, is on these two disks, and there is still more. These disks are several months old, however. With updates coming only once or twice a year, monoLib can be very out of date. It also lacks some features that would be extremely useful, like a complete GNU distribution. However, there is no better collection, in general, than monoLib. SUMMARY If volume was the contest, monoLib would win hands down for the non-subscription based products. It scores big points for its completeness and variety, as well as for offering information not found on other products (ie: the literature section). It loses points for only including usuable indexing support on the Information directory as opposed to the entire disk. Due to its high degree of organization, monoLib can also be very slow for browsing and finding files. -- Copyright Doug McClure, 1993. All trademarks property of respective owners. You may distribute, copy, or publish this however you see fit, as long as the entire document is quoted in its entirety.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aru@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Douglas S McClure) Subject: CD-ROM Review: Nova Message-ID: <C64ALG.AI3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:56:03 GMT Hi, I'm posting these reviews for a friend. I setup things so that you can reply back to him if you wish. Do NOT reply back to 'aru@sonata...'. He would post them himself except his news feed isn't sending anything outbound. -sri ---------- NOVA Walnut Creek CDROM 800-786-9907 1547 Palos Verdes, Suite 260 510-947-5996 Walnut Creek, CA, 94596-2228 510-947-1644 fax Price: $39.95 info@cdrom.com GENERAL Walnut Creek is one of the latest entrants into the NeXT CD-ROM world. With their introduction of Nova, they bring several years of experience in publishing CD-ROMs for other platforms and software products, most notably the X11R5 and GNU distribution CD. Focusing on an archive format, Nova offers some unique features of its own. For those looking for a NeXT CD-ROM, a GNU disk, UNIX source code, and possibly a MSDOS disk for those who have SoftPC or will have NS/FIP, Walnut Creek can serve all your needs. They will even create a custom CD-ROM for you, at a fairly attractive price. All this support for different platforms is great, but can also make you wonder how much they concentrate on the NeXT product. Shortly after Nova was released, I contacted Walnut Creek to inquire if Nova was just a rehashing of monoLib. At that time, I received a message from someone there, who knew of no other CD-ROM products for the NeXT. However, there were at least four other products out on the market before Nova, and two of them had been out for quite awhile. This made me question how much they knew, or rather didn't know, about the NeXT market. Overall, I think they are a good company, and that I just talked to someone who was not as informed. The update policy for any CD-ROM product from Walnut Creek is based on demand, with greater demand bringing more frequent updates. Currently, Nova can probably expect to see updates once or twice a year. A Nova disk for NS/FIP users is also in the works. This disk will be very much like the current Nova offering, but will have the programs compiled for Intel machines. LAYOUT The layout of Nova is fairly good. Moving around the disk is not a problem. There are two application directories, one for demonstration programs, and another for everything else. Nova has one of the highest number of subdivisions of the Apps directory. This is great for picking out exactly one type of application. The Demos directory is organized completely different from the regular apps directory, concentrating on commercial software divisions. The source code directory is strictly limited to Objective-C classes, IB palettes, tutorials, and other source code to aid programmers. I found this division quite to my liking; however, it could use further subdividing into Palettes, Classes, and Misc directories. One notable aspect I found was in the Fonts directory. All fonts, both free and shareware, are unarchived in one place, making it very easy to copy any ones that you want off the disk. In other places, the layout is less than satisfactory. I especially disliked that the Utilities directory was divided into three subdirectories. It would be easier to use if those subdirectories were part of the Apps directory. With all the experience Walnut Creek has had making CDs, you would expect things to be organized very well; but for the most part, they were no better or worse than anyone else. I was especially surprised at their handling of NeXT Package files. They were all placed in one directory, Packages. I would prefer to see them in the regular categories in the Apps directories. Even if they are not immediately accessible, at least when I look for a program, I do not have to worry about whether the program is packaged. There are very few programs which I am going to actually run off of a CD-ROM, so it matters more to me how easy it is to find something on a disk, versus whether or not I can actually run it right then or have to unpack it first. I would actually prefer to see the Apps and Demos directories eliminated and move their subdirectories to the top level. This would make for a flatter, and much quicker disk to browse through. As far as the CDD goes, Nova had the second best average, at 4.2, but they scored the second worst for maximum CDD at 9. INDEXES One feature Nova excels at is indexing. Walnut Creek went to a fair amount of work on this part of the CD. Each directory containing actual applications or files, and not just directories, has both a file list in 'ls -lR' format and, what really counts, an index file listing all the programs or files, along with a brief 2-3 line sentence describing it. For programs, the index file also tells whether source code is included or not. Unique to Nova, these indexes are found everywhere on the disk, even in the directories that just contain sound files. Nova also has all the index and file lists indexed with Librarian. This makes it extremely convenient to quickly locate a program using a name, or a match for part of its description. Unfortunately, since there is only one index file per directory, and that file contains the descriptions of all the programs, it is impossible to use Librarian for complex searches, since it will match for any program in that file. Searching for 'jpeg' and 'source' might reveal a match, but does not mean that they refer to the same program. There is no main file list at the root that is 'grep'able, nor are any of the index or file lists. The index files are great for reading before trying all the programs or other files in a directory. They certainly aid in helping the user find only what he wants, instead of having to look through every file. Nova also includes some indexing for a couple of the Documents directories, which is useful when using those files. CONTENTS Nova stands out in some of the content provided. In particular, Nova has a PC directory which contains various public domain programs for PC's which can be used with SoftPC. This is a great addition, and hopefully will be be showing up on all the other CD-ROM products in the near future. The inclusion of high quality, very useful PC programs, which are not available on the NeXT, will probably become a necessity. I did not think the PC programs on the Nova CD were all that great, though. Most of the programs could already be found on, or for, the NeXT. Unless you really hate the NeXT options, or have booted your NeXT-Intel machine into DOS, I do not see much need for many of the programs. The idea is great, but I felt like the PC directory was mainly a teaser without any really worthwhile programs. One redeeming quality is the inclusion of virus checking software. There are also two Genie directories. The first, in the root directory of the CD, contains various information on how to become a Genie member, how to use the Genie services, etc. The second is in the Newsletters directory, and contains all the Genie Unix News. This is more of a roundtable format. Although I did not search through it very much, I imagine it might be useful. The Newsletters directory, unfortunately, carried very little in the way of usergroup newsletters. Only the Nugget newsletter was represented strongly. Only six other newsletters were represented, and none of those had more than three issues. There was also no USENET news coverage. I have found this to be very important lately, and consider it to be a serious omission. The product catalog, which Walnut Creek included, also mentioned the largest collection of NeXTSTEP games. After some investigating, I found this to be true, but just barely. Personally, I would have preferred to see the games deleted, and the USENET news and all the newsletters that are on the archives included instead. The games also do not make up for the complete lack of any non-game GNU software. While I expected to see GNU software, especially since they make a GNU disk, there was none, other than the GNU GO boardgame. If you are looking for some entertainment for your NeXT, then Nova does offer a very good selection of software. Nova was the second smallest disk that I reviewed, at least in terms of sheer number of files. The disk does provide good coverage of NeXT programs. A couple of areas in which Nova did very well include a large collection of PostScript images and 'mod' sound files. One feature that I had not realized about Nova, but learned from the author, is that all the programs on the Nova disk have been compiled for 3.0. In addition, any 2.x source directories have been converted to work with ProjectBuilder. This means, for the developer, that you will not need to spend time converting the program to a 3.0 format. This is definitely something that is nice to see. SUMMARY Nova earns some marks of distinction for its PC and GENIE coverage. The good indexing support throughout the disk is also a definite plus. However, the lack of USENET news, newsletters, and GNU software really hurts. Anyone looking for entertainment programs will be rewarded with one of the best collections available on this product. -- Copyright Doug McClure, 1993. All trademarks property of respective owners. You may distribute, copy, or publish this however you see fit, as long as the entire document is quoted in its entirety.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aru@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Douglas S McClure) Subject: CD-ROM Review: The Big Green CD Message-ID: <C64An4.Aoo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:57:03 GMT Hi, I'm posting these reviews for a friend. I setup things so that you can reply back to him if you wish. Do NOT reply back to 'aru@sonata...'. He would post them himself except his news feed isn't sending anything outbound. -sri ---------- THE BIG GREEN CD Skylee Press voice 415-474-7803 PO Box 471645 fax 415-474-7896 San Fransisco, CA 94147-1645 editors@skylee.com Price: $99 GENERAL One of the first products that archived and distributed NeXT programs was the Big Green Disk, which was, and still is, available on ODs. It has changed ownership and now Skylee Press produces it in a CD-ROM format, as well as the OD. The price is $99.95, although NeXTConnection sells it for $79.95. The focus is on providing a definitive collection of free and shareware software for NeXTSTEP systems. Recently, it was updated for NeXTSTEP 3.0, although the disk I am reviewing is the previous version, which should resemble the new version fairly closely. Skylee Press also publishes the NeXTwatch newsletter and will be publishing a NeXTwatch CD soon, complete with all the first issues of NeXTwatch, clip art, demonstration versions of reviewed software, and much more! The first notable feature of the Big Green CD (BGCD) is the pamphlet included in the CD jewel case. This covered how the disk was organized, how to use the Librarian indexes, and talked about the overall concept of the CD. I found this little extra touch very useful in getting started quickly. I had difficulty in ejecting this disk for some reason. I found it necessary to logout several times to get the disk ejected, and while I would like to think it was something I did, which I could correct, it only seemed to happen with this disk. LAYOUT The disk is laid out in three main directories: BGCDApps, BGCDDeveloper, and BGCDLibrary. Apps contains all NeXTSTEP application binaries, ready to run. Developer has programming languages, example files, source code (some of it to the above apps), regular UNIX source and binaries, and a complete distribution of GNU software. Library contains all the fonts, music, reference material, and other support files. For the most part, the layout is fairly general, without a lot of subdividing of directories. For example, the BGCDApps directory had only 6 categories. For those who would prefer to see more organization, this disk is lacking. Still, I found it extremely easy to navigate since there were few directories to explore. Demonstration software is separated into its own directory. The one noticeable layout problem I found was the location of Diagram Palettes. I found them in BGCDLibrary/Images/Palettes, which was a complete surprise, as I would not have have thought to look for them under a graphics image directory. The BGCDApps/Demos directory was one area that lacked proper attention. Some programs are ready to use off the disk, others are in tar.Z form, and others are still in .pkg form. Quite a few of the demonstration apps had a directory which would then contain the main application as well as directories for data sheets, tutorials, and examples. I felt, for the most part, that these extra files did need to be placed in subdirectories. Many of these directories only have one or two files in them and placing them in subdirectories only made it slower to access. The average CDD for this disk was 4.3 which was the second highest overall. However, it had the best maximum CDD at only 7. INDEXES BGCD has Librarian indexes for several of the documentation directories, and also for README files from programs. The READMEs were all collected together, placed in a directory structure matching where the programs reside, and indexed. When you use Librarian to search the indexed READMEs, the titles of the matches then point out where the programs are. Indexing the complete README files allows for complex search patterns using Librarian. The problem with this idea is that the directory structure containing the READMEs is already several levels deep before it starts, which slows down opening any of the files from Librarian. This method would probably have worked much better if the README directory had been placed at the root of the disk. Another way to make this method work faster would be to place all the READMEs in one directory. It would only be necessary to rename the files to include a pathname, using an alternate character to replace '/'. The only other indexing available is a 'ls -FR' file list. While faster to browse than 'ls -lR' types, neither can be 'grep'ed to find a complete pathname for a file. A filelist created using 'find' would be much more appropriate and can be 'grep'ed for a complete pathname. CONTENT This was the second largest disk I reviewed. The content is very good, and fairly current without any significant gaps. It does lack some fancier features like Project Gutenberg files, and recipes. There is also very little in the way of sound files, and although it does better with images, it is still not very strong in that area. There are no newsletters at all. One of the best features is a complete GNU distribution, along with a distribution of GNU software modified specifically for the NeXT. No other product that I reviewed contained a complete GNU distribution. In addition, there are also many regular UNIX programs available. The inclusion of this material is great for someone like myself, who uses a lot of GNU software or non-NeXT UNIX software. SUMMARY Overall, I found BGCD very easy to use and work with. It contains a good collection of NeXT programs and information. Unfortunately, the price is the highest on a per disk basis of any CD-ROM product I know of, and the lack of user group newsletters also hurts. If you are looking for a NeXT CD-ROM with a complete GNU distribution, however, then The Big Green CD is for you. -- Copyright Doug McClure, 1993. All trademarks property of respective owners. You may distribute, copy, or publish this however you see fit, as long as the entire document is quoted in its entirety.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aru@sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Douglas S McClure) Subject: CD-ROM Review: CD-ROM News Message-ID: <C64AoD.AuF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:57:49 GMT Hi, I'm posting these reviews for a friend. I setup things so that you can reply back to him if you wish. Do NOT reply back to 'aru@sonata...'. He would post them himself except his news feed isn't sending anything outbound. -sri ---------- CD-ROM NEWS Jana Publishing 1-800-363-2083 20 Wade Ave, Suite 520 416-538-2311 Toronto, Ontario, Canada jana@canrem.com M6H 4H3 Price: $59.95/6 issues (1 yr) Residents outside US/Canada $99.95/12 issues (2 yrs) pay $20/year extra All prices in US dollars. GENERAL CD-ROM News is the first of two subscription based CD-ROM products I reviewed. For the first two issues, CD-ROM News (CDRN) offers a basic archive format of NeXT software and various other information. Starting in the third issue, CDRN adds a multimedia news magazine, complete with text, animation, video and audio. You will be able to see software running on the screen while you listen to the reviewer over the speaker. CDRN will continue to supply new software from the archives with each issue. In addition, Jana Publishing is working on a plan to donate part of their profits to major NeXT FTP sites, which are in dire need of more disk space. Delivered six times a year, each issue of CDRN brings the latest in NeXT software and other material to your doorstep, and begining with the third issue, will include a full multimedia news magazine. At only about $8-$10 per issue, CDRN is the second lowest priced CD-ROM product I reviewd. For those who are looking for a CD-ROM product, and want to keep receiving the latest in software (public domain and commercial), without the long wait time for updates which other products have, CDRN is your only choice. The only problem with this concept, is found in all subscription based products. After awhile, you end up with a lot of CD-ROMs which poses a problem for searching. This is easily solved by creating a file list for each disk. Since the third issue, containing the news magazine, has not been published yet, I had to concentrate my review solely on the content of the disks. The first disk is very sparse, and hopefully, not an indicator of the future. A file list from the second disk appears to show a better selection of programs and data, but still seems sparse compared to other products. Since I have only had access to the first disk, it is difficult to review CDRN fairly. LAYOUT CDRN is laid out in a very flat structure, having several directories at the root level representing categories holding various applications. For instance, instead of having categories, such as Games or Communications, under an Apps directory, there is no Apps directory. Instead, there are directories for games and communcations software. I found this type of format very easy to use. In addition, there is no Source directory on the first disk. All applications with source were included with ones that did not have any. The second disk is slightly different in that it has an Applications directory, which holds mainly demonstration programs which were in a Demos directory on the first disk. Personally, I would prefer to see Applications done away with, and each application moved into its respective category (ie: Mesa in Business). Still, I found the first disk one of the easiest to navigate, and from what I have seen of the file list for the second, it should prove as easy. There are places on the first disk where programs have just been unpacked and left there. For example, in the Communications directory, SLIP has a directory, which has inside it another directory, which actually contains the programs. This is extremely wasteful, and shows a lack of care taken into the creation of the disk. In the Fonts directory, the free font and the shareware font package have their own directories, each of which contain yet another directory, which is where the actual fonts are. I have yet to receive the second disk, however, and expect things to improve with later issues. Due to not having an Apps directory which contains all the application categories, CDRN earns the best average CDD at a low 3.7. With a bit of restructuring to improve some of the wasteful directory usage in places, this figure would have dropped even lower. It earned second best in the maximum CDD category with just 8. INDEXES CDRN has a file list in the root directory that lists all the files and applications on the disk. For each application, it also has a very short description of the program. This list can be 'grep'ed to find out what an application is, but cannot be 'grep'ed to find where the application is. CDRN also has the NeXT FAQs indexed for use with Librarian. Other than that, there are no indexes. Future issues will contain different material and will call for different amounts of indexing by Librarian. CONTENT The first issue of CDRN is very sparse. With only a hundred megabytes, compared to the several hundred of most other disks, CDRN is a definite lightweight. The second issue promises to be better, as well as the third, with its news magazine. I get the feeling that CDRN was rushed to the market too soon. However, with five more issues left this year, it should be able to easily make up for the lack of substance of the first disk. SUMMARY I especially like the idea of receiving a NeXT news magazine/archive update every other month, and the price is extremely low for what you get. The frequent updates is a big winner for those who want to keep current on what is available for the NeXT. It is difficult at this time to determine the quality of this product, as a whole, since I have only received one issue. POSTNEWS The second CD, recently received, contains 340MB of NeXT software, compared to the 100MB of the first disk. The surprise, for me at least, is that the second disk contains a section for Linux users, with 150MB of software available. When I had read that CD-ROM News was going to be supporting a wide range of systems, I expected that to mean they would support NeXT programs on whatever platforms NeXTSTEP is ported to, not totally different software systems. I will not attempt to review the Linux offering, as I know very little about that product. The NeXT segment contains much more information, especially in literature. The literature section contains USENET news, NeXT Answers, recipes, and more. However, I did find the Literature section poorly organized. For example, there is a NextAnswers directory which contains the June 91 release, while a summer_92 directory contains a later version. Only the latest release is needed, and that should be clearly in a NextAnswers directory. One notable feature was the inclusion of an Archive directory, which contained everything that was available on the first issue. Unfortunately, due to the depth (avg CDD of 6.7) of the files in this directory, they are difficult to use. This idea is great, but would probably work better if the programs were tar'ed and gzip'ed so that they could be quickly copied to the hard drive if you need them. I have not had enough time to completely investigate the second disk, but from my initial investigation, most everything I said in my review for the first, would apply here. Some noticeable changes are how much information is available, the new Linux offering, and the CDD figures for this disk. The NeXT section on this disk earns very high CDD rates. If all the previous information from the previous disk is excluded, the max CDD is 10, while the average is 4.9. If you include the previous disk's information, that figure rises to 11 and 5.2, respectively. Although there are a number of areas that could use refinement, and polishing, overall CDRN is a promising offering, especially if you also happen to use Linux. I am definitely looking forward to seeing the multi-media news oriented version. -- Copyright Doug McClure, 1993. All trademarks property of respective owners. You may distribute, copy, or publish this however you see fit, as long as the entire document is quoted in its entirety.
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do you Kill Swapping? Message-ID: <66966@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 27 Apr 93 04:49:14 GMT References: <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> alby@access.digex.com (Albatross) writes: > How can you Fix a NeXT machine so that it stops swapping > and slowing down the system?? Causae it's causing 5 sec delays > 2-3 times a minute...? similar symptoms can arise if you have some disks mounted via nfs with soft retry scheduled - and the disks are not available (say you took them off your local net, or disconnected your NeXT from the net) then every minute or so, there will be a big pause as it tries to mount the nonexistant disks again and then timesout. if this is the problem, you can fix it by changing the nfs attributes (e.g. limit number of retries) -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: wjs@blorf.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: command line gif->tiff/ps converter needed! Date: 27 Apr 1993 11:59:54 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1rj77qINN366@shelley.u.washington.edu> References: <1993Apr24.160547.10184@dhhalden.no> Borre Ludvigsen writes > John Landwehr writes > > HELP! > > I have a bunch of gif files I need converted to ps or tiff. > > Where can I find a command line util to do this? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > John Landwehr > > jland@nwu.edu > > > > P.S. I would use ImageViewer except that a) it would take forever, and > b) it > > doesn't do a SAVE properly to TIFF format from GIF. > > > Try pbmplus: something like "giftoppm | pnmtotiff". You may have to do a > ppmquant 265 in between there, but otherwise I've used something along > those lines and it works like a dream. > I write: You can also try the SDSC image library from the San Diego Supercomputer Center. Ftp to ftp.sdsc.edu, look for the IMTOOLS for NeXT. There's a lot of stuff there you won't need, but one nice thing is that there is a single conversion program that can convert between any of two dozen or so image formats. -William Shipley PS: Our upcoming automatic image converter is based on their library, we love it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Re: command line gif->tiff/ps converter needed! Message-ID: <1993Apr27.150127.1453@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <1rj77qINN366@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 15:01:27 GMT William Shipley writes > Borre Ludvigsen writes > > John Landwehr writes > > > HELP! > > > I have a bunch of gif files I need converted to ps or tiff. > > > Where can I find a command line util to do this? Anyone mention image? A copy is inside ImageViewer.app. Just type "image file.gif -o file.ps" to convert to ps. > > > P.S. I would use ImageViewer except that a) it would take forever, > > > and b) it > > > doesn't do a SAVE properly to TIFF format from GIF. Well, this doesn't necessarily mean that image doesn't work properly. You can try it easily since it is already in your ImageViewer application. Also, it might convert file to postscript fine and might be signifigantly faster than ImageViewer itself. --Glenn
From: mwgst1+@pitt.edu (Michael W Groff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do you Kill Swapping? Message-ID: <10144@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 27 Apr 93 15:08:27 GMT References: <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> <66966@mimsy.umd.edu> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh How do you know if you are swaping a lot? Are there any tools to let you know how much physical and virtual memory you are using at the time? How about a break down per application? Thanks. -- michael groff Medical Student mwg@med.pitt.edu (Please use this address)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jesper@harry (Jesper Lundh) Subject: New Questor Spreadsheet Beta on Archive... Message-ID: <1993Apr27.154658.25984@sics.se> Keywords: Questor, Xanthus Sender: news@sics.se Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 15:46:58 GMT ------ New Beta Version of Questor Spreadsheet Application ------ Available on Archive for NEXTSTEP and for NEXTSTEP/Intel Stockholm, April 27, 1992 - Xanthus International AB today announced that the latest beta version of its spreadsheet application Questor is available on a public archive. The beta is available in three versions - for NEXTSTEP, for NEXTSTEP/Intel and for both. The Questor beta can be found on the following archives: sics.se:/pub/next/beta_m68 sics.se:/pub/next/beta_intel sics.se:/pub/next/beta_fat Q_0.99.compressed - The Questor beta application. Questor_API_0.99.compressed - A number of demos of the Questor API with source code. Questor_Documentation_0.99.compressed - A Questor brochure and a beta draft of the Questor Users Guide. The beta version is protected. It can be run in 'demo mode' for 15 minutes with full functionality. If you want to participate in the beta programme, please send a mail to Xanthus at questor@xanthus.se to get a valid registration number. Questor from Xanthus is a brand new spreadsheet application for the NEXTSTEP environment that combines the intuitive metaphor of "matrix-based" spreadsheet program with a number of very powerful features and a true NEXTSTEP user interface. The backbone of Questor is a conventional matrix-based spreadsheet that can easily be used by anybody that have once used spreadsheet programs like Microsoft Excel, Lotus 1-2-3 or Wingz. To this backbone is added a number of powerful features: - A structured scripting language - QScript with an "intelligent" editor including automatic pretty-printing and programming support. QScript allows you to customize your spreadsheet to perform very specific tasks. - Input controllers like buttons, text-fields and sliders can be drag-and-dropped anywhere on the spreadsheet and connected to QScript code or directly to cells by control-dragging. - Output objects like graphs and gauges can be drag-and-dropped anywhere on the spreadsheet and be connected to cell areas by control-dragging for continuous updating. - Hot-links to the graph application Graphity (like Lotus Improv and Presentation Builder). Graphity is a graph application that supports 3D business graphics based on Renderman. - Seamless connections to relational databases like Oracle and Sybase using the Database Kit in NEXTSTEP. - Timers that can trigger complex calculations, database queries or any other event at regular intervals. - A powerful double-directed API that allows Questor to easily control and send data to other applications. The API also makes it easy for other applications to control Questor and to feed data into spreadsheets. - External functions can be written in C or in QScript and be loaded into Questor for easy extensibility. - A ToolBox that includes object palettes and a number of other tools that removes the need of modal panels for filling, searching and sorting data. The ToolBox also includes complete scripting support. - Full support for user palettes. Users can easily create new palettes with customized graphs, graphics and control objects. - Drawing tools that allows you to draw directly on the spreadsheet. - Images and sound can be drag-and-dropped anywhere on the spreadsheet to create stunning documents including graphics and sound effects. - Reads the WKS, WK1 and SYLK file-formats, which enables you to import worksheets from Lotus 1-2-3, Lotus Improv, Microsoft Excel and Wingz. - Writes the WK1 file-format, which enables you to export worksheets to Lotus 1-2-3, Lotus Improv and Wingz. - Full support for Lotus 1-2-3 bracket-macros. - Multi-level undo. All commands can be undone and the number of undos are user defined. - Powerful Report Layout functions that allows total control over the layout of your spreadsheets, including direct manipulation and drawing tools. - Full support for object linking. Graphs, cell areas and graphics can be copied and linked into other documents for continuous updating. - The Questor QScript Debugger which allows functions to be debugged in a seamless manner. - The Questor Macro Stepper which allows macros to be debugged on different levels of granularity. - Inline-editing of cells. Double-click a cell and you can edit its value "inline". - The Questor Console. The Console makes it easy to experiment with QScript and macros. - Basic support for multi-user access. Several users can look at the same document, but only one can open it in read/write mode. Users with a document opened in read-only mode are notified as soon as the disk version of the document changes. Questor is not a port from another computing environment and has a true, well designed NEXTSTEP user interface including: - Smooth scrolling of documents. - Direct manipulation of all objects on a spreadsheet. - Use of the Color Panel and Font Panel for editing objects and cells. - Inspectors for all objects including cells and the spreadsheet itself. - Drag-and-drop from the Workspace or from the ToolBox in Questor. - Object linking fully supported. Questor will be available in May 1993 through selected resellers worldwide. For more information please contact questor@xanthus.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: NeXT newsreaders was Re: advocacy != inflamatory was Re: Unmoderated ... Message-ID: <1993Apr27.152700.26260@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Apr26.103252.9862@prim> <1rj7qmINN3of@shelley.u.washington.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 15:27:00 GMT How are you doing Will? Drop me a note when you get that cool filtering software done. In article <1rj7qmINN3of@shelley.u.washington.edu> wjs@blorf.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) writes: >Joe says: >> Right now there is only one NeXTStep reader, newsgrazer, >Say it ain't so, Joe. Actually, there are four that I know of: >1) NewsGrazer, by Jayson Adams, now of Millenium Softworks. That's the only one I knew about. >2) NewsBase, from Japan. Don't know how well it works, last time I downloaded >it I was impressed with how much was there but I don't think I got it working. I think that means its not done. >3) Dunno, by Simpson Garfinkle. This was his thesis work; I don't know if it >was finished, and I don't think it was released. Then it doesn't count. (Though its probably good) >4) News, by me. This is just a news*reader* to date; Sounds like that one doesn't count either. I make that a total of 1 publicly available GUI based news reader. Though, I've gotten a lot of mail that I am wrong. But, they all seem to say "so and so has one that is almost done". I think it has more with the fact that people are busy than any market considerations. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Message for bacchus!eric (eric bloom) Message-ID: <1993Apr27.160013.22906@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:00:13 GMT You wondered why I didn't answer. You could also wonder why you didn't see the receipt returns. Here is the reason (bacchus!eric) is an unusable address: Somewhere in between is an unusable UUCP retranslation. I have also seen other errors. ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>> DATA <<< 554 sendall: too many hops 19 (17 max): from <mcsun!rna-nl!gerben@uunet.UU.NET>, to mcsun!rna-nl!gerben@uunet.UU.NET 554 ncsuvx.ncsu.edu!ethos!bacchus!eric... Service unavailable: Bad file number ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from mcnc.UUCP by reggae.concert.net (5.59/tas-reggae/8-15-92) id AA02618; Mon, 26 Apr 93 18:06:13 -0400 Received: from ncnoc.concert.net by reggae.concert.net (5.59/tas-reggae/8-15-92) id AA00784; Mon, 26 Apr 93 17:17:15 -0400 Received: from mcnc.mcnc.org by ncnoc.concert.net (5.59/tas-concert/8-12-92) id AA05614; Mon, 26 Apr 93 17:15:52 -0400 Received: from ncsuvx.ncsu.edu (ncsuvx.cc.ncsu.edu) by mcnc.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/8-10-92) id AA14691; Mon, 26 Apr 93 17:12:40 -0400 for ethos!bacchus!eric@reggae.concert.net Received: from reggae.concert.net by ncsuvx.ncsu.edu (5.65b/2 4/27/87) id AA01039; Mon, 26 Apr 93 17:12:56 -0400 Posted-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:00:06 +0200 Received: from mcnc.UUCP by reggae.concert.net (5.59/tas-reggae/8-15-92) id AA00199; Mon, 26 Apr 93 17:06:06 -0400 Received: from gatech.UUCP by reggae.concert.net (5.59/tas-reggae/8-15-92) id AA27361; Mon, 26 Apr 93 15:59:01 -0400 Received: from gatech (gatech.edu) by merlin.gatech.edu with SMTP id AA12382 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <mcnc!ethos!bacchus!eric>); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:36:16 -0400 Received: from im4u.cs.utexas.edu by gatech with SMTP id AA08173 (5.65c/Gatech-10.0-IDA for <mcnc!ethos!bacchus!eric@gatech.edu>); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:37:31 -0400 Received: from deepthought.cs.utexas.edu by im4u.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.14/uucp) with SMTP id AA01436; Mon, 26 Apr 93 14:36:08 -0500 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by deepthought.cs.utexas.edu (5.64/1.2/relay) with SMTP id AA22039; Mon, 26 Apr 93 14:36:25 -0500 Received: from spool.uu.net (via LOCALHOST.UU.NET) by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA23233; Mon, 26 Apr 93 15:36:07 -0400 Received: from mcsun.UUCP by spool.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL (queueing-rmail) id 153415.7453; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:34:15 EDT Received: from sun4nl.nluug.nl by mcsun.EU.net with SMTP id AA15696 (5.65b/CWI-2.217); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 21:29:17 +0200 Received: from rna-nl by sun4nl.nluug.nl via EUnet id AA17629 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 21:29:16 +0200 Received: by mr_ed (NX5.67c/R&A-1.4) id AA20445; Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:00:06 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:00:06 +0200 From: rna.indiv.nluug.nl!gerben@gatech.edu (Gerben Wierda) Message-Id: <9304261900.AA20445@mr_ed> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: Eric Bloom <bacchus!eric@uunet.UU.NET> Subject: SOLUTION (partly): NeXT WP files with graphics to PC WP 5.1 -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: jeff@apl.washington.edu (jeff schindall) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can I use a NeXT monitor with a Mac Message-ID: <jeff-270493094604@mac-jeff.apl.washington.edu> Date: 27 Apr 93 16:50:11 GMT Article-I.D.: mac-jeff.jeff-270493094604 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world Organization: Applied Physics Lab/UW I have the opportunity to purchase an almost new NeXT monitor and would like to know if I can connect it to a Mac Quadra. Unfortunately, I don't remember which monitor it was. Will the standard apple video cable work? Or can I build/purchase a cable that will do the job? Please respond by e-mail. Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aoki@madonna (Ken-ichiro Aoki) Subject: Re: How do you Kill Swapping? Message-ID: <1993Apr27.092337.18206@mic.ucla.edu> References: <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> <C64058.9vH@dove.nist.gov> <1ri0tn$aip@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: 27 Apr 93 09:23:36 PDT izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: : In article <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> jdeclari@is.rpslmc.edu (John-William DeClaris) : writes: : >In article <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> alby@access.digex.com (Albatross) : >writes: : : >> How can you Fix a NeXT machine so that it stops swapping : >> and slowing down the system?? Causae it's causing 5 sec delays : >> 2-3 times a minute...? ..... : : Add more RAM until you get the tolerable performance. I saw a few posts just saying this; I agree that more memory will solve the problem. But given a certain amount of RAM, weren't there a couple of tricks that were shared on the net which reduces the amount of swapping ? I think they help. If this is a false belief on my part, I would like to know (or perhaps I don't want to know..) 1. compress swapfile --------------------- in /etc/swaptab make the first entry compress /private/vm/swapfile compress lowat=xxxxxx ^^^^^^^^ 2. increase buffer space ------------------------- When booting, in NeXT ROM monitor, boot by using bsd- nbu=xxx where 16<xxx<255 (I use 128, seems ok) to modify the params, use p in the monitor (at NeXT> prompt) modify sd --> sd- nbu=xxx -- ___Kenichiro Aoki (aoki@physics.ucla.edu) Physics Dept,UCLA,Ca,USA. (Please note that the From: field might be screwed up if you are replying.)
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do you Kill Swapping? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 15:02:16 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <kfrMAsa00Vpe4Rml5=@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> <66966@mimsy.umd.edu> <10144@blue.cis.pitt.edu> In-Reply-To: <10144@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 27-Apr-93 Re: How do you Kill Swapping? Michael W Groff@pitt.edu (272) >How do you know if you are swapping a lot? Are there any tools >to let you know how much physical and virtual memory you are >using at the time? How about a break down per application? >Thanks. Try "vm_stat" and "ps aux": 1% vm_stat Mach Virtual Memory Statistics: (page size of 8192 bytes) Pages free: 277. Pages active: 614. Pages inactive: 1282. Pages wired down: 272. "Translation faults": 148725. Pages copy-on-write: 32408. Pages zero filled: 18874. Pages reactivated: 65750. Pageins: 6105. Pageouts: 741. Object cache: 14702 hits of 17687 lookups (83% hit rate) The ratio of pageouts to translation faults gives you a rough idea of how much swapping you are actually doing. As a rough number, if it's higher than 1% then you need to get more memory. (Pages free + active + inactive + wired down) * 8k should equal system memory - buffer space (settable via the nbuf kernel flag). 2% ps aux USER PID %CPU %MEM VSIZE RSIZE TT STAT TIME COMMAND root 1152 1.6 2.8 1.65M 576K p0 R 0:00 ps aux cs4w 1144 0.4 2.0 1.34M 400K p0 S 0:02 -csh (csh) root 1 0.0 1.0 1.31M 200K ? S 0:00 /usr/etc/init -xx root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? S < 0:00 <mach-task> root -1 0.0 0.0 0K 0K ? S 0:00 <mach-task> <etc>...... VSIZE is the virtual size of the program, RSIZE is the actual amount of physical memory being used. Also, hostinfo is a little useful. Does anyone know what the "mach factor" number represents? -Chuck
From: blake015@galadriel (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WordPerfect Printing Problems Message-ID: <13932@news.duke.edu> Date: 27 Apr 93 12:11:07 GMT References: <1993Apr27.010717.13663@alleg.edu> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Aaron Herskowitz writes > After performing multiple upgrades to 3.0, we have run into a printing > problem. I assume that this has been widespread, and that we are just > missing something. This is also experienced on freshly rebuilt 3.0 NeXTs. > > We first noticed the problem when someone wanted to print envelopes. > Users would change the page layout (in WordPerfect for 3.0, Edit or > WriteNow,) and the out was no longer centered (so envelopes and memo [4" x > 6"] sheets don't come out correctly) when the paper was centered in the > NeXT Printer manual feed tray. Edit really seems to flip-out by making > the print smaller. WriteNow and WordPerfect just don't center it. Is > this a postscript interpretation problem? > > Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a known fix that I have > missed? I, too, have experienced this problem with WordPerfect under 3.0. Worse yet, whenever I have just saved some changes to a page and print it, out comes an ENTIRELY BLACK page. Talk about using up toner! I'd surely like to know of a solution, too. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar to Duke Med Center Info Systems | banging one's head against a wall, but Durham, NC | with fewer opportunities for reward. (919) 282-6468 W | blake015@mc.duke.edu |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu (Chris Osborn) Subject: Hayes ISDN Extender and TCP/IP Message-ID: <C65LDy.88I@nvcc.uucp> Organization: Napa Valley College Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 17:46:45 GMT Does anyone know if it is possible to use the Hayes ISDN Extender (the one that hooks up to the DSP) for a TCP/IP connection over an ISDN line? Something that would automatically connect on demand? After reading the System Administration Manual, it looked like the user would have to manually establish a connection. I don't want to do this, I want to have a connection established automatically. Also, does anyone have software that can use this same device as a message taking machine? Something that would spool incoming messages in a directory that users from any machine could listen to? Something that works like the Fax system would be great! -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu fozztexx@groucho.sonoma.edu NeXTMail ok at both
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: beatty+@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU (Derek Beatty) Subject: whither SG&A/SBook Message-ID: <C65tIn.GH2.1@cs.cmu.edu> Originator: beatty@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 20:42:07 GMT I'd like to order a license for Simson Garfinkel's address-book application "SBook," but the phone number I have has been disconnected, and e-mail bounces from the address I have. Does anyone have current contact information, or otherwise know what's up? -- Derek_Beatty@cmu.edu ABD Comp Sci, CMU, 5000 Forbes, Pgh, PA 15213 USA (412) 268-7898 fax: (412) 621-5473 home: (412) 521-3482 [<11pm please]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) Subject: ISDN extender? Message-ID: <oorient.735956087@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Summary: What are the uses? Keywords: ISDN Sender: news@ucc.su.OZ.AU Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 00:14:47 GMT Hello; Could anyone enlighten me as to ISDN extenders? What is their function? What is the software using the extenders? Thanks in advance ... Piotr Palacz ( pls disregard the trailer if there is any)
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: WordPerfect Printing Problems Message-ID: <HARDY.93Apr27174623@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: blake015@galadriel's message of 27 Apr 93 12:11:07 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA References: <1993Apr27.010717.13663@alleg.edu> <13932@news.duke.edu> Date: 28 Apr 93 00:46:28 GMT In article <13932@news.duke.edu> blake015@galadriel (Denise Blakeley) writes: || Aaron Herskowitz writes || > After performing multiple upgrades to 3.0, we have run into a printing || > problem. I assume that this has been widespread, and that we are just || > missing something. This is also experienced on freshly rebuilt 3.0 NeXTs. || > || > We first noticed the problem when someone wanted to print envelopes. || > Users would change the page layout (in WordPerfect for 3.0, Edit or || > WriteNow,) and the out was no longer centered (so envelopes and memo [4" x || > 6"] sheets don't come out correctly) when the paper was centered in the || > NeXT Printer manual feed tray. Edit really seems to flip-out by making || > the print smaller. WriteNow and WordPerfect just don't center it. Is || > this a postscript interpretation problem? || > || > Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a known fix that I have || > missed? || || I, too, have experienced this problem with WordPerfect under 3.0. Worse yet, || whenever I have just saved some changes to a page and print it, out comes an || ENTIRELY BLACK page. Talk about using up toner! I'd surely like to know of a || solution, too. Fortunately (at least with the January 93 interim release, for which I shelled out $ 10 + shipping) this happens only once per reboot. I am collecting all these black pages and when I have 100 I will send them to Word(im)perfect with an invoice for half the price of a toner cartridge. Maybe if everyone else does the same they will come up with a fix ... In the meantime, back to Tom Rokicki's wonderful TeX, which does everything WP does and better. -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@next1.mrs.umn.edu (Mark Van Overbeke) Subject: learning Message-ID: <C6662L.JGL@cda.mrs.umn.edu> Sender: news@cda.mrs.umn.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 01:13:33 GMT just testing
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@next1.mrs.umn.edu (Mark Van Overbeke) Subject: learning Message-ID: <C666pI.Jux@cda.mrs.umn.edu> Sender: news@cda.mrs.umn.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 01:27:18 GMT just testing
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dse@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (donald.s.eaves) Subject: Educ Pricing, Portable Distr objects, other info Organization: AT&T Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 02:47:45 GMT Message-ID: <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> Folks, I went to the New York GUN meeting Monday night, which included the entire new senior management team and Steve. This is the info that I gathered from the question and answer session, and from individual Senior Managers: 1. The education program will be announced before the expo. The user and development software will be priced to cover costs. It will be a few hundred dollars. 2. NeXT has committed to supporting black hardware until 1995. A user version upgrade from 3.0 to 3.1 will be $75 ($49 without docs). The User/Dev upgrade will be $100. 3. A new NeXT Registered Developer program will be announced, which will require re-registration. 4. Insignia emulation software is being used by Microsoft to support MS Windows programs on NT (this may be for RISC WS). Insignia is using the same technology for its NeXT product. It is expected to run at 80% native speed. The price should be ~ $250. 5. NeXT will be introducing Portable distributed objects. I do not know if this will be in 3.X (3.2 is planned for the August time frame). Portable distributed objects (i.e., servers) can run on any platform, which includes Sun/Sparc machines. 6. Compaq is expected to bundle NEXTSTEP. Jobs said that they are trying to negotiate with IBM. (However, my feeling is that IBM will not bundle NEXTSTEP, since it completes with its own planned/current products (Taligent and OS/2). 7. NeXT is still negotiating with Canon. He mentioned that they may pick up the designs for the PowerPC box, that supported symetric multi-processing. 8. NeXT is negotiating their largest sale to date (I think he said something like 10 thousand copies). McCaw (spelling?) increased their purchase to 5,000 copies of NEXTSTEP, from 3,000. Don
From: leeyn+@pitt.edu (Yongwon L Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP:: lisp upgrade Message-ID: <10209@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 28 Apr 93 03:47:13 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Originator: leeyn@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu I am trying to upgrade 1.0 to 3.0. (I have 68030 cube) Step 3.0 does not come with Allegro lisp. Is there a way to upgrade lisp in system software 1.0 for step 3.0 ? Have anyone done this ? Could anyone give me some information about how to upgrade lisp for step 3.0 ? Please email to yongwon@cs.pitt.edu. Thank you. Y. Lee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) Subject: Color Output Service Message-ID: <1993Apr28.045355.1187@pyrian.com> Sender: ian@pyrian.com Organization: PYRIAN Software Group - Makers of UUCP-EZ & I'm On Vacation. Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 04:53:55 GMT I am going crazy trying to get some color graphics created in Virtuoso to print on a CLC 500. The trouble is even if I save the file as freehand 3 and if the file is openned OK on the Mac, sometimes it still doesn't work. WHO HAS A CLC WITH NEXT hookup out there? San Fran or Los Angeles preferred but ..... -- Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 Pyrian Software Group | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com NeXTSTEP Consulting | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK?
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: NXTSTEP Educ Pricing, etc..... !!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: 28 Apr 1993 07:18:03 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rlb3b$bpi@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> In article <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> dse@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (donald.s.eaves) writes: >I went to the New York GUN meeting Monday night, which included >the entire new senior management team and Steve. This is the info >that I gathered from the question and answer session, and >from individual Senior Managers: > > 1. The education program will be announced before the expo. The > user and development software will be priced to cover costs. It > will be a few hundred dollars. ******************************************************************* This is the brightest news in over a year. I can't wait to hear the official confirmation! The price will no longer be an issue finally. Whew! Start feeding the news to any reporter, editors you can grab... > 4. Insignia emulation software is being used by Microsoft > to support MS Windows programs on NT (this may be for RISC WS). > Insignia is using the same technology for its NeXT product. It is > expected to run at 80% native speed. The price should be ~ $250. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Subject: NeXTstation for sale Message-ID: <1993Apr28.080448.18975@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Keywords: sale next station Sender: sieu@cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 08:04:48 GMT NeXT Station for sale ===================== 68040 25Mhz Monochrome NextStation 8MB RAM 200 MB hard disk internal floppy drive Keyboard Mouse Monochrome MegaPixel monitor $2200 If interested, please email or call me. Johnson Sieu sieu@cory.berkeley.edu
From: otto@coactive.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT newsreaders was Re: advocacy != inflamatory was Re: Unmoderated ... Date: 27 Apr 93 22:32:52 Organization: Coactive Aesthetics Inc. Distribution: usa Message-ID: <otto.93Apr27223252@gandalf> References: <1993Apr26.103252.9862@prim> <1rj7qmINN3of@shelley.u.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain In article <1rj7qmINN3of@shelley.u.washington.edu> wjs@blorf.omnigroup.com (William Shipley) writes: >2) NewsBase, from Japan. Don't know how well it works, last time I downloaded >it I was impressed with how much was there but I don't think I got it working. I am posting this with NewsBase. Compiling and running it up was simple, but am not sure if I prefer it over NewsGrazer (just started trying it out). The one feature I do like is using the sort by subject option; NewsBase will list only the subject, and use an adjacent window for authors when that subject is selected. Otto --- Otto Lind Coactive Aesthetics otto@coactive.com P.O. Box 425967, San Francisco, CA 94142 netcom!coactive!otto voice:(415)626-5152 fax:(415)626-6320
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Benoit Grange <Benoit_Grange@gateway.qm.apple.com> Subject: Mach factor Sender: news@gallant.apple.com Message-ID: <1993Apr28.083459.24635@gallant.apple.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 08:34:59 GMT References: <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> <10144@blue.cis.pitt.edu> <kfrMAsa00Vpe4Rml5=@andrew.cmu.edu> Organization: Apple Europe R&D In article <kfrMAsa00Vpe4Rml5=@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger, infidel+@CMU.EDU writes: > Also, hostinfo is a little useful. Does anyone know what the "mach > factor" number represents? The mach factor represents how much of a CPU would be working on a new process. If it's 1.0 that means that your new job would get as much as 1 CPU horsepower for its processing. If it's 0.5, only 'half a processor' is available. On single processor systems, its near 1 / (load average + 1). I think it is explained somewhere in 'Os software', try librarian. ---- Benoit Grange Apple Europe Research & Development Paris - France
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Need advice on laser printers Message-ID: <HARDY.93Apr27175124@golem.ps.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Distribution: usa Date: 28 Apr 93 00:51:27 GMT Hello there: NOTE: I'm posting this for a friend. Please reply to oolesson!uunet!alex or oolesson!alex@uunet.uu.net. I'm currently in the market for a laser printer and I'm confused about some issues. 1. Since I'll be using this with NS 3.0 and this support PostScript level 2, does the printer have to do likewise? Is PostScript level 1 good enough? 2. What does HPII or HPII emulation mean? Does this mean I can use an HP driver for my printer? 3. Can anyone out there recommend a laser printer? I'm looking to spend about $1000 to $1500. I have my eyes set on an Epson EPL-7500 for $799 through Computer Shopper but it seems like too good a deal. Thanks in advance for all the help. Regards, Alex Alex Duong Nghiem <oolesson!alex@uunet.UU.NET> -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge) Subject: CDPlayer (yet again...) Message-ID: <1993Apr28.131621.5707@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 13:16:21 GMT Sorry if this has been explicitely asked before; I finally upgraded to 3.0 yesterday and figured I had saved all relevant messages from this newsgroup... Is there a way to get CDPlayer to play through the built-in speakers? [I'm using a NeXTstation Monochrome]. I checked the permission for CDPlayer in CDPlayer.app and it is set to -rwsr-xr-x ***Please, do not reply by NeXTmail to this account (you can send NeXTmail replies to andre@gollum.phys.laurentian.ca) Thanks in advance Andre Roberge
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sun Micro to buy (who?) Message-ID: <67.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 06:38:03 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Tuesday NY Times had a brief business blurb stating that Sun Microsystems intends to purchase a company which will provide them with technology for running Windows apps on Solaris systems. No details...supposedly an announcement to come next week. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: u-magpie@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark Dadgar -NeXT CC) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: LaserJet 4 and Ethernet Remote Printing - HELP! Message-ID: <u-magpie.735874969@mcl> Date: 27 Apr 93 01:42:49 GMT Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc I've got the LJ configured with the correct IP address, netmask, and default gateway. I created a NetInfo entry for both the printer (in machines) and the printer (in printers). The printcap for the printer looks like this: MIS_Suite105: \ :rm=mis_printer:rp=mis_printer:lp=:ty=HP LaserJet 4 PostScript: \ :note=:sd=/usr/spool/NeXT/MIS_Suite105:lo=lock: The machines entry for mis_printer has the name, the IP address, and the ethernet address. I can ping the printer just fine. I've got syslog on the printer pointing to my machine, and error messages (like if I were to take the printer off-line) show up on my console. But, lpc on my NeXT says "Waiting for mis_printer to come up." The console says "connection to mis_printer is down." RFC 1179 (regarding lpd) says that the printer subsystem listens on port 515. The JetDirect manual says the card/printer waits for a connection on port 9100. Has anyone gotten this combination working? I don't care how it's done, I just want it done. Printing 1.5Mb PS images at 57,600bd is painful, to say the least. FYI, I'm running a 16Mb Mono Turbo with NS3.0 (well, I'm forbidden to say any different... ). :) Thanks for any help! I can provide more info via email. Posting is currently broken at our site, but mail will be forwarded from this account. I also set the Reply-To. - Mark Mark Dadgar, NeXT SysAdmin | Some go up, some go down William Morris Agency | Some go thirsty, some just drown mdadgar@wma.com (NeXTmail) | "That's the law 'round here" I voted for Bill & Opus | Said the King of Sunset Town -- Mark Dadgar | A pretty sight it seemed to be UCSB NeXT Campus Consultant | An avenue of eternal peace u-magpie@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu | But he said "What is here can soon burn down... Bill & Opus - '92 | I'm the King of Sunset Town"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: NXTSTEP Educ Pricing, etc..... !!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <chris.736012661@vincent1.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> <1rlb3b$bpi@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 15:57:41 GMT In <1rlb3b$bpi@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >In article <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> dse@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (donald.s.eaves) writes: >>I went to the New York GUN meeting Monday night, which included >>the entire new senior management team and Steve. This is the info >>that I gathered from the question and answer session, and >>from individual Senior Managers: >> >> 1. The education program will be announced before the expo. The >> user and development software will be priced to cover costs. It >> will be a few hundred dollars. Just curious. How many hundred is the edu price of the user and development package together? How's the edu version defer from the normal version? What's less in the edu version? (Including service, support, future upgrade options?) >******************************************************************* >This is the brightest news in over a year. Yup! >I can't wait to hear the official confirmation! >The price will no longer be an issue finally. Whew! >Start feeding the news to any reporter, editors you can grab... >> 4. Insignia emulation software is being used by Microsoft >> to support MS Windows programs on NT (this may be for RISC WS). >> Insignia is using the same technology for its NeXT product. It is >> expected to run at 80% native speed. The price should be ~ $250. >-- >Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] >USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 >Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 >Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK) -- Chris Wong | "PC suck? Yeah, I know, but NeXT has close it's hard | line. chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tower@dcl-nxt37.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Next Mail Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 16:37:15 GMT Message-ID: <C67Cu3.8AG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: mail Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana I need a way to separate my mail as it comes so they go into different mail boxes. Any suggestions. marc
From: gloger@dbulm1.uucp (Jochen Gloger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TeX installation --- help needed Message-ID: <504.2bdea5ae@dbulm1.uucp> Date: 28 Apr 93 15:41:34 +0200 Organization: Daimler-Benz, Forschungszentrum Ulm Hi, I need some information about the installation of TeX. The situation: Currently, we are running a network of several NeXT machines. Since every machine is used by only one user, we installed TeX local on every machine when a user ask for it. There was an installation script which was provided by the TeX package. The problem: More and more users decided to use TeX and since TeX is a disk consuming affair, we want to install TeX on one machine in the network, but we don't know how to manage this. Is there someone who can help? We are not the TeXperts we should be, so explain it as simple as possible. Kind regards Jochen ================================================================================ Jochen Gloger, Daimler-Benz AG, Research Center Ulm, Institute of Information Technology, Department of Text Understanding Phone: +49 731 505 2115, Fax: +49 731 505 4105 Address: Wilhelm-Runge-Str.11, P.O. Box 23 60, W-7900 Ulm, Germany email: unido.uucp!dbulm1!gloger OR gloger%dbulm1.uucp@germany.eu.net OR ...!ira.uka.de!fauern!unido!dbulm1!gloger OR ...!{uunet,corton,sunic,ukc}!mcsun!unido!dbulm1!gloger ================================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Subject: Print panel in Terminal.app Message-ID: <1993Apr20.053417.25414@chiton.ucsd.edu> Organization: Marine Physical Laboratory, Univ. of Calif. San Diego Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 05:34:17 GMT Question for today, brought up by a friend who is a fearless NS3.0 user without much Unix experience: From Terminal.app, clicking on Print brings up a print panel. A sub-panel of this is titled "Text Attributes". It contains two radio buttons labeled "print" and "don't print". Beside these buttons are two large letters, G and S. If the "print" button is pushed, the S is shaded out, otherwise neither G nor S is shaded. So what does this do? It seems not to be documented in any of the printed NS3.0 manuals, and a cursory search with Digital Librarian didn't find anything either. carl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: Re: TeX installation --- help needed Message-ID: <1993Apr28.183428.929@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <504.2bdea5ae@dbulm1.uucp> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 18:34:28 GMT In article <504.2bdea5ae@dbulm1.uucp> gloger@dbulm1.uucp (Jochen Gloger) writes: > Hi, > I need some information about the installation of TeX. > > The situation: > Currently, we are running a network of several NeXT machines. Since > every machine is used by only one user, we installed TeX local on every > machine when a user ask for it. There was an installation script which > was provided by the TeX package. > > The problem: > More and more users decided to use TeX and since TeX is a disk consuming > affair, we want to install TeX on one machine in the network, but we > don't know how to manage this. Is there someone who can help? We are not > the TeXperts we should be, so explain it as simple as possible. > Sorry about posting this, but email bounced. You have two (realistic) alternatives. Alter the install script to put EVERYTHING in /usr/local (which can then be remote mounted), or install it everywhere. Trying to export part of the TeX distribution (as installed is /usr) is doomed to failure. I have chosen to install it on all machines in our lab, as I didn't want to deal with rewriting the script. To save disk space, I removed things like /NextLibrary/Documentation instead, and remote mounted it. Here are some good candidates for remote mounting: > df Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0a 235953 117130 95227 55% / malthus:/NextLibrary/Documentation 490984 225873 216012 51% /NextLibrary/Documentation malthus:/NextLibrary/References 490984 225873 216012 51% /NextLibrary/References malthus:/NextLibrary/Literature 490984 225873 216012 51% /NextLibrary/Literature malthus:/local 235953 159371 52986 75% /local As you can see, the disk on this machine is only half full, and it still has a COMPLETE 3.0 installed. P.S. Does anyone have a modified install script? -- Magnus Nordborg Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: collis@lele-next2.Stanford.EDU (Samuel Scott Collis) Subject: CD-ROM drives for SGI and NeXT Message-ID: <1993Apr28.193945.3349@leland.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: CD-ROM, SGI, NeXT Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 19:39:45 GMT I need to purchase a CD-ROM drive that will work on both NeXTstations and SGI Personal Irises. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations for CD-ROMs that have been used on both platforms. Thanks, Scott
From: dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu (Dion Dock) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: CS.ORST.EDU ARCHIVE REQUEST (PLEASE READ) Message-ID: <1rmmqoINN1ar@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 28 Apr 93 19:44:24 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1rmmqoINN1ar Distribution: world Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University There are more changes happening to cs.orst.edu. The index is almost up to date. Take a look at the file index.4.93 in the pub/next folder. PLEASE UPLOAD FILES WITH A ".README" EXTENSION DESCRIBING YOUR FILE, AND WHERE YOU CAN BE REACHED!!!! I don't know how many times I have requested this. I am _not_ going to run the uploaded programs to find out what they do. I need this description in order to determine where the file should go when I move it from the pub/next/submissions directory. I have begun to put files with no .README into pub/next/unknown. The files in this directory have not been tested for corruption. The files in this directory will probably not be added to the index. No one is going to look at these files!!!! Please upload some .READMEs!!! If you see a file in the index that has no description, feel free to e-mail us one, or better yet, a README. Posting a description of your file to news in _not_ enough. I want a .README. Is that painfully clear? send all e-mail to next-ftp@cs.orst.edu <<no NeXTmail>> Dion -- Dion Dock __ __ NeXT mail? working on it / ) / ) / dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu / / o ______ / / _____. /_ /__/_<_(_) / <_ /__/_(_) (__/ <_
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Voice Mail? Message-ID: <C67qBI.FzM@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Distribution: na Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 21:28:30 GMT Is there a program for the NeXT that will provide voicemail with trees capabilities? That is, a person calls. The NeXT answers and goes through this thing about press 1 for information re subject x, etc...and then leaves the option to leave a message or to wait for someone to answer... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Subject: Re: Next Mail In-Reply-To: tower@dcl-nxt37.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Wed, 28 Apr 1993 16:37:15 GMT Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Apr28214131@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: news@dannug.dk (Usenet news owner) Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group References: <C67Cu3.8AG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 20:41:31 GMT >>>>> On Wed, 28 Apr 1993 16:37:15 GMT, tower@dcl-nxt37.cso.uiuc.edu said: tower> I need a way to separate my mail as it comes so they go into different tower> mail boxes. Any suggestions. tower> marc take a look at deliver of procmail in cooperation with the nextmail tools from the archives. Regards, Karsten.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Re: NXTSTEP Educ Pricing, etc..... !!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <Apr28.211712.68468@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 21:17:12 GMT References: <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> <1rlb3b$bpi@agate.berkeley.edu> <chris.736012661@vincent1.iastate.edu> Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College In article <chris.736012661@vincent1.iastate.edu> chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: >>> 1. The education program will be announced before the expo. The >>> user and development software will be priced to cover costs. It >>> will be a few hundred dollars. > >Just curious. >How many hundred is the edu price of the user and development package >together? How's the edu version defer from the normal version? >What's less in the edu version? (Including service, support, future >upgrade options?) > FIRST, YEA!!! This is great news! SECOND, I doubt that the edu system will differ at all... after all, they are already stamping two sets (dev and non dev), and I don't think they want to handle four system CD's - dev, non-dev, edu-dev, and edu-non-dev. >>> 4. Insignia emulation software is being used by Microsoft >>> to support MS Windows programs on NT (this may be for RISC WS). >>> Insignia is using the same technology for its NeXT product. It is >>> expected to run at 80% native speed. The price should be ~ $250. I don't know about the price, but NeXTWORLD (April/May 1993, page 38) says that Insignia will be able to capture 90% of the 486 speed... i.e. a 50MHz 486 = ~45MHz 486... Also, if you don't want to shell out the bucks, and don't need to run Windoze and DOS and NS at the same time, and you don't mind rebooting your machine when you wanna run Ultima 7 (what else is DOS good for but games?) then you can either reboot on a floppy or reboot on a DOS partition. This sounds bad, but, according to a NeXT tech support guy, when you run DOS, booted off a partition, DOS will recognize the NeXT partition, and let you run apps and use data from the NeXT partiton... This means that you can boot off of a floppy, and run a copy of Untima 7 or whatever that resides on the NeXT partition....kind of a workaround/hack, but no lame DOS partitions, and not much cost (most PC's come with DOS, at least)... "Medicine will cure death and congress repeal taxes before Steve will fail." -Guy Kawasaki -nate /---------------------------+======================================\ | "I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know." | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu | \---------------------------+======================================/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: CD-ROM drives for SGI and NeXT Message-ID: <C67q9B.FwE@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Keywords: CD-ROM, SGI, NeXT Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1993Apr28.193945.3349@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 21:27:11 GMT In <1993Apr28.193945.3349@leland.Stanford.EDU> collis@lele-next2.Stanford.EDU (Samuel Scott Collis) writes: >I need to purchase a CD-ROM drive that will work on both NeXTstations and >SGI Personal Irises. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations for >CD-ROMs that have been used on both platforms. There is a list of drives in the FAQ under: Subject: D8. What non-NeXT CD Players that work with a NeXT? Check this out. Note that NeXT cannot acknowledge/recommend any of these so you are going to have to take user's word. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca NeXT Computer, Inc. mtacchi@NeXT.COM (NeXT Mail Welcome) "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) Subject: Re: NXTSTEP Educ Pricing, etc..... !!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <1993Apr28.220053.19384@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park References: <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> <1rlb3b$bpi@agate.berkeley.edu> <chris.736012661@vincent1.iastate.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 22:00:53 GMT In article <chris.736012661@vincent1.iastate.edu> chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: >In <1rlb3b$bpi@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > >>In article <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> dse@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (donald.s.eaves) writes: > >>> 4. Insignia emulation software is being used by Microsoft >>> to support MS Windows programs on NT (this may be for RISC WS). >>> Insignia is using the same technology for its NeXT product. It is >>> expected to run at 80% native speed. The price should be ~ $250. Gee, should we take this to mean that NeXT is backing away from their claim that Windows and DOS support would be included? I seem to remember being flamed quit e bit for suggesting that it might not be included, or if it was, it would be a crippled demo version. Hohum. -- There are stupid laws, and then there are stupider than normal laws.
From: goldly@u.washington.edu (Lloyd P. Goldwasser) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: disconnecting problem still unsolved, despite good suggestions Date: 28 Apr 1993 22:55:25 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1rn20tINN8bn@shelley.u.washington.edu> A few days ago I wrote: >The other day I was connected to the network through a modem on > a NeXT. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of logging off the NeXT > before logging out of the net and hanging up the modem [...] > Now I can't convince my modem to relax its grip. [...] >I had been connected via tip3, a variant of tip, which now gives > the message > > Couldn't open /dev/cua > Unix error follows: Device busy. > instead of starting up. > [...] Logging off didn't help, nor did powering down. Ditto for changing the ownership of /dev/cua, /dev/cufa, and some others. I received several good suggestions (thank you, senders!), but, surprisingly, none of them has worked yet. Several suggested that I delete the file /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..cua, but that and all neighboring directories are already blank. Another suggested that a stray process might need killing, but, after I killed all plausible candidates, the situation was unchanged. Is there a way to convince unix that a device is *not* busy? Is there something else to try? Or do I have to throw my whole machine away? :-) Any insights would be appreciated! Thanks again, Lloyd goldly@u.washington.edu (non-NeXTmail) goldwalp@zoology.washington.edu (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mschwage@next3.corp.mot.com (Mike Schwager) Subject: Mouse pointer for lefties? Organization: MOTOROLA Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 19:27:31 GMT Message-ID: <1993Apr28.192731.567@schbbs.mot.com> Keywords: mouse pointer Sender: news@schbbs.mot.com (Net News) Greetings ladies and germs, I, a lefthanded person in a righthanded world, am delighted that my new color NeXTStation Turbo has the abilities to fix the mousebuttons so they now act properly :-). However, I cannot abide the pointer, which as we all know is pointing in the wrong direction :-(. Is there any way I can fix the mouse pointer so it looks proper, and points the other way? Thank you. -Mike ================================================ Mike Schwager schwager@mot.com Working for, but by no means speaking for: | "Practice random kindess and Motorola, Inc. (708) 576-6993 voice | senseless acts of beauty" 1299 E. Algonquin Rd. (708) 576-3111 fax | - Anne Herbert Schaumburg, IL 60196
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: NXTSTEP Educ Pricing, etc..... !!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <chris.736045466@vincent1.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> <1rlb3b$bpi@agate.berkeley.edu> <chris.736012661@vincent1.iastate.edu> <Apr28.211712.68468@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 01:04:26 GMT In <Apr28.211712.68468@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes: >In article <chris.736012661@vincent1.iastate.edu> chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: >>>> 1. The education program will be announced before the expo. The >>>> user and development software will be priced to cover costs. It >>>> will be a few hundred dollars. >> >>Just curious. >>How many hundred is the edu price of the user and development package >>together? How's the edu version defer from the normal version? >>What's less in the edu version? (Including service, support, future >>upgrade options?) >> >FIRST, YEA!!! This is great news! >SECOND, I doubt that the edu system will differ at all... after all, >they are already stamping two sets (dev and non dev), and I don't think >they want to handle four system CD's - dev, non-dev, edu-dev, and edu-non-dev. Well, one difference between edu priced package and non-edu priced package in my local University Bookstore is ...you can't upgrade with the special price. For example, I can get Ami Pro 3.0 for windows with $99 in the Bookstore, while I can get it with $149 from discount store. If I want to upgrade from version 3 to 4(in the future), I used to pay $49 for upgrade while I've to pay $99 or more for an edu full package again. Let's do some math. For edu package: 99 + 99 = 198 For non-edu package: 149 + 49 = 198 It's the same, but the service differ a little bit, I never received any version upgrade (either minor/major) from the company for the edu priced package. [Never mind... just my two cents] [the rest of the stuff deleted] -- Chris Wong | "PC suck? Yeah, I know, but NeXT has close it's hard | line. chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: NXTSTEP Educ Pricing, etc..... !!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <C684Cn.8JJ@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> <1rlb3b$bpi@agate.berkeley.edu> <chris.736012661@vincent1.iastate.edu> <1993Apr28.220053.19384@wam.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 02:31:20 GMT rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes: >>>> 4. Insignia emulation software is being used by Microsoft >>>> to support MS Windows programs on NT (this may be for RISC WS). >>>> Insignia is using the same technology for its NeXT product. It is >>>> expected to run at 80% native speed. The price should be ~ $250. > Gee, should we take this to mean that NeXT is backing away > from their claim that Windows and DOS support would be included? > I seem to remember being flamed quit e bit for suggesting that > it might not be included, or if it was, it would be a crippled > demo version. I don't know who was doing the flaming, but they probably weren't keeping up in this forum too much. I remember reading here about 8 months ago that DOS/Windows compatibility would be in a separate add-on product sold by Insignia. I think that $250 for this product is not unreasonable as long as: It runs NICELY, especially in color! I'm not going to be able to pitch that we should replace DOS/Windows on our Dells with NS/Intel unless I can show them that we aren't losing anything for our DOS users who are running Windows apps. It installs nicely, especially on networks! I have had the pleasure of going to through the contortions of setting up SoftPC in a network setting for a large number of users (30-50). It is something that is not intuitively obvious, and probably more difficult than it should be. Why having this as an add-on is justifiable to me: Why should I pay more for this if I'm not interested in DOS apps on my NS/Intel machine? It's the old 'unbundling gives more flexibility' argument that rears its ugly head here from time to time. Note that Appletalk client support has now been officially unbundled from NS 3.1. It will be sold, along with the server product that is currently sold by them, by IPT. The pricing has been set for upgrades to 3.1 at $75 for actual media and $50 for right-to-use licenses. I didn't have a time to read the announcement (which showed up in my mailbox about 6 times :-) thoroughly. I am certain that Conrad will post it here. (I currently have hardly any NeXT ties, so don't count anything I ever say as even remotely official) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Who looks after sonata? Message-ID: <#q75yvb@rpi.edu> References: <1rge7l$546@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 16:56:22 GMT tiggr@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) writes: > mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) writes: > > > European site. Eats up the bandwidth between the different parts of the > > world. There are less NeXT ftp users in Europe, than in the US. Put the > > main site in the US, and mirror across to the UK, Europe etc. > > The fact that there are more NeXT users in the states doesn't make it > necessary for some FTP archive to have its main image on a US site. > Reducing trans-atlantic bandwidth can also be obtained by having a US > site mirror a european site. --Tiggr There are two kinds of FTP usage: 1) downloads 2) contributions For purposes of downloads, your comment is true. For purposes of contributions, if most of the contributors are in the US then it does make more sense to have the main archive in the US and mirror sites in Europe and Japan (and other Asian countries, I imagine). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Announcing PasteboardVenue Message-ID: <1993Apr29.030016.22252@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Distribution: na Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 03:00:16 GMT Announcing: PasteboardVenue From: FreemanSoft Inc. PasteboardVenue acts as an extension of all of your NeXTSTEP applications by allowing a user to park arbitrary data and file information which originated from any application. Users of non-NeXTd systems can think of this as a desktop for clipboards and files while users of NeXTd systems can can think of it as a more functional shelf that accepts pasteboard information and custom application information in addition to file icons. But, both of those analogies are somewhat limited. PasteboardVenue can accept and supply information that was never saved in a file or originated from some other source, such as a database. PasteboardVenue retains that information across invocations. PasteboardVenue allows the user to have multiple venues or windows open. Each venue is managed separately and hold its' own group of icons each one representing some piece of data that was inserted. The user can have many of these grouping venues open. Each one is saved and retrieved separately , similar to a normal text editor that supports multiple documents. Users can group related files or pasteboard information by putting each project into its' own venue. Data can be dragged and dropped, copy and pasted or transferred in using Services. PasteboardVenue is useful in all work environments. Users of GUI based systems have all experienced the situation where they wish to copy some information into a pasteboard that is already full. PasteboardVenue helps the user by allowing them to have multiple clipboards. Creators of tightly integrated custom applications usually support drag and drop between their applications. But, users always ask for a place to stash the dragged information so that it will be available later. PasteboardVenue accepts that information and become the glue for those applications. PasteboardVenue sells for $100 and will be available on the May edition of Electronic App Wrapper. FreemanSoft can be reached by EMAIL at: info@FreemanSoft.com -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Announcing FSCurrentDefaults Message-ID: <1993Apr29.030136.22379@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Distribution: na Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 03:01:36 GMT Announcing: FSCurrentDefaults From: FreemanSoft Inc. FSCurrentDefaults is a new module that can be added to the NeXTi Preferences application that will show a user all their Defaults settings. All NeXTSTEPi programs use the Defaults information for configuration and appearance management. Applications usually let the user set or clear these defaults settings via their Preferences panels. But, most applications don't let the user see all their settings nor the settings for all applications. This can only be done from a Terminal window. There are other utillity programs out on the market that let the user edit and view their Defaults database. But the problem is that each of the is an actual application with yet another icon to position. Once installed, FSCurrentDefaults becomes another module visible from inside the Preferences application. Most users have the Preferences clock displayed at all times. So, those users will have their defaults editor available at all times without the wait and hassle of launching another application. FSCurrentDefaults is available as a $20 shareware program. Copies are on network BBSs in a mildly restricted version. Users who register will get an upgrade to a FAT, make that MAB version when available. Internet users can find FSCurrentDefaults on cs.orst.edu. FreemanSoft can be reached via Email at info@FreemanSoft.com . -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) Subject: Trivia: changing icons Message-ID: <1993Apr28.031300.733@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 03:13:00 GMT I recently hit upon one of those ideas which doesn't contribute a whit to improved productivity, but is fun. The idea was: I wantd a series of images (in this case of a plant sprouting, growing, withering, dying, and then repeating this cycle) to serve as my home directory icon. Using a simple shell script, whenever I power up my cube, the icon on my home directory is replaced with the next image in this 18 icon cycle, which gives me a gradually changing directory icon which is quite a lot of fun! (today my home directory depicts a young plant only just sprouting from the seed pod it was yesterday =). I found this idea of a changing home directory icon sufficiently amusing to waste this bit of bandwith in case someone else out there would find the idea useful. (obviously, it's applicable to beep sounds, and whatever else. Imagine! at 2am (or whenever), your mouse slows to a crawl, you get a horrible beep sound, and lots of other stuff all of a sudden. your computer's trying to tell you to go to bed! =) \david john burrowes davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT newsreaders was Re: advocacy != inflamatory was Re: Unmoderated Message-ID: <68.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 07:19:51 PDT References: <1rj7qmINN3of@shelley.u.washington.edu> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > Joe says: > > Right now there is only one NeXTStep reader, newsgrazer, > > and the guy that wrote is out trying to make a living. If you think > > the quality is so bad, then put a NeXT front end on nn or something > > else. > I assume NeXT owns the source to NewsGrazer since it was written by a NeXT employee, so Millenium can't (maybe doesn't want to) keep it up to date. Must have been asked before, but...why hasn't the source been made public? Is any other freeware app so widely used, abused, and complained about? --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need SIG list, can someone send it to me? Date: 28 Apr 1993 23:58:46 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rnub6$nk3@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Hi, I want to post an announcement from a .com account and wish to do it correctly. We are announcing an Educator buyer program. Could someone send me a list of moderators to get in touch with as well as a list of proper places to post an announcement of a new company?i Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. maurices
From: albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NewsGrazer Date: 29 Apr 1993 09:44:39 +0300 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rntgn$45a@cc.tut.fi> Keywords: newsgrazer This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen I tried to install NewsGrazer to my system, but when posting a message it complains that a script or program named inews can't be found. According to my knowledge there should be a bunch of other stuff installed, too, to get the news to work correctly. Is there a faq/installation guide available for new news administrators..? -Juha
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bvrotney@ADS.COM (Bill Vrotney) Subject: Re: HELP:: lisp upgrade In-Reply-To: leeyn+@pitt.edu's message of 28 Apr 93 03:47:13 GMT Message-ID: <1993Apr29.073115.2409@ads.com> Sender: usenet@ads.com (USENET News) Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300 References: <10209@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 07:31:15 GMT In article <10209@blue.cis.pitt.edu> leeyn+@pitt.edu (Yongwon L Lee) writes: > > Path: ads.com!decwrl!decwrl!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pitt.edu!leeyn > From: leeyn+@pitt.edu (Yongwon L Lee) > Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc > Date: 28 Apr 93 03:47:13 GMT > Sender: news+@pitt.edu > Organization: University of Pittsburgh > Lines: 12 > Originator: leeyn@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu > > I am trying to upgrade 1.0 to 3.0. (I have 68030 cube) > Step 3.0 does not come with Allegro lisp. Is there a way to > upgrade lisp in system software 1.0 for step 3.0 ? > Have anyone done this ? Could anyone give me some information > about how to upgrade lisp for step 3.0 ? > > Please email to yongwon@cs.pitt.edu. Thank you. > > Y. Lee Please put the following in the FAQ: ============================================================================= The following is a procedure for fixing Allegro CL 3.1.20 so that it works under NeXTstep 3.0. You should find all of the files mentioned here on your ACL distribution. We refer to the top level directory of this distribution as ACL and the build directory ACL/build. Note: you may have to remove the dsp references below to get it to compile. Warning!!! (from Franz) This procedure results in creating a new ucl.o binary file. You may distribute this method but not the resulting ucl.o file. 1. First look at the byte size of the file ACL/build/ucl.o, if the size is 612364 bytes then skip to step 2. Otherwise look at the file ACL/dumplispPatch. This is a shell archive that will patch ucl.o with the "dump lisp" patch. More precisely cd ACL cp dumplispPatch build cd build /bin/sh dumplispPatch /bin/sh install_patch.sh Now ucl.o should be 612364 bytes long. (the original ucl.o will be saved in a file called ucl_orig.o). 2. Next edit the file ACL/build/config (you mihgt want to save the orginal config file). In that file you will see two statements: LIBRARIES = -lNeXT_s -ldsp_s -lsys_s USYMS = -u libsys_s -u libNeXT_s -u libdsp_s In the LIBRARIES statement, change -ldsp_s to -ldsp In the USYMS statement, delete the -u libdsp_s 3. Next you edit the new binary file ACL/build/ucl.o in emacs and save the results. Go to ACL/build directory, run emacs and find-file ucl.o replace-string _rld _jld replace-string __bcopy _bcopy^@ save-buffer The ^@ above is the null character (000 byte) and can be entered in emacs using C-q C-<space> and will look in an emacs buffer as a single character ^@ and NOT two characters. 4. Finally then reinstall ACL as usual. You do this by going to the ACL/build directory and /bin/sh config -- Bill Vrotney BAH/Advanced Decision Systems
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rzewski@northstar.com (Alexis Rzewski) Subject: where can I find Nghiem's "NEXTSTEP Programming" book Message-ID: <C67qyA.G76@northstar.com> Keywords: book, retail Sender: usenet@northstar.com (usenet) Organization: NorthStar Technologies, Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 21:42:10 GMT Hi, has anyone seen Alex Nghiem's book "NEXTSTEP Programming ...", Prentice-Hall, in bookstores? Alexis Rzewski rzewski@northstar.com
From: kjb@uts.amdahl.com (Kevin J. Barth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript Subject: AFP to PostScript translator Message-ID: <f9Nq03FZd04W00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> Date: 29 Apr 93 12:27:45 GMT Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Have you heard of an APF to PostScript translator? Or heard of the developement of such a tool either on MVS or in a UNIX platform. One of our customer expressed the need (cost reduction) to get rid of the IBM printers and of some components if possible of the printing chain on MVS, and to have all the Postscript printers in the TCP/IP world be accessible from MVS, as well as from the other machines (UNIX). The main applications on MVS producing printing are: - CICS, with SYSOUT automatically transformed into AFP, - TSO users, using 2 applications relating with databases. The results of the requests are also transformed into an AFP and sent to printer. Any help or suggestions greatly appreaciated. Kevin kjb@uts.amdahl.com
From: wdempsey@athena.mit.edu (Wayne R Dempsey) Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.other,athena.forsale,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.mac,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted Subject: REPLY!!! Computer Equipment Garage Sale (R) Date: 29 Apr 1993 08:03:54 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1ro25aINNbem@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> **** I'm sorry I had to send this over the net. I tried sending this message to everyone who replied, but my mailer didn't like the To: list with 90+ names on it. For those of you who think I'm wasting bandwidth, whatever that is, I'm sorry. Here's the message I tried to send to everyone who reponded to my posts: First I'd like to thank all 90 of you for replying to my posts. As one many understand, it is hard to respond to everyone individually. My apologies to those who were sent multiple copies of this message. This is the update: 90% of you wanted the Conner Drives. At this moment, I have sold one to a guy named Dan. He was very helpful, providing me with additional information on some of the stuff I was selling. The drive was sold to him for $65 + $5 Shipping. The other drive is still available, because I didn't deem it fair that I should pick one person over another. I repeat that I don't know much about this Conner drive, or SCSI drives in general. Since I cannot get it to work on my Mac, I cannot guarantee it will work for you. If I did guarantee it, and then you couldn't get it to work, and so on... then this would repeat itself, and the drive would have a nice trip around the country. So, I'm looking to sell to someone who knows about SCSI drives and thinks that they can use it. I will give priority according to price, people I've dealt with before (I think that's only one of you, JAC777, or something like that) and the order you replied. Please reply using this message (header REPLY!!!) because if I see that I will give you preference over people who are initially replying to my post. The AT&T ISDN Modem is no longer up for sale. It came to my knowledge that the source from where I obtained the modem was at most mistaken as to it's ownership. I'm sorry but the modem is property of The Massachusettes Institute of Technology. I was not aware of that, because there was no identifying sticker on it. The modem will be returned to the telecomm department next week. Replacement cost of the modem is suposedly over $1,000, and It would be dishonest to sell property over the net, not belonging to me. My apologies to all who replied to me about the modem. The 65 Meg Drive has also been sold, to the first person who responded to me. $55 incl shipping. The guaranteed working Toshiba drive, the Two Panasonic drives and the 16-bit MFM card were sold to a guy named John for $48 including shipping. The remaining 5.25" drives are available. The 8-bit MFM controller is made by Western Digital and does have the 2010 chip on it. I will be accepting offers from everyone, because I have had many questions about this chip, and many people have wanted it. The interesting cable is a regular VGA cable, and is male to male. The serial number for the SONY is: Serial Number: SA9370PE00R4 another number on back is 1121228 Items still available: 1 Conner Drive 5.25" IBM drive, standard floppy drive, non-proprietary. guaranteed 5.25" Toshiba drive 3.5" PS/2 Drive 1 CGA Card 1 VGA cable 1 MFM controller card (full length, no floppy) 1 MFM controller with WD2010 Chip on board. 1 Motorola 68881 CoProcessor If you are still interested in the Conner Drive, please reply to this message. I'm still looking for stuff like CD Caddies, a 9600 External modem (I'd pay cahs for that of course) 387DX-33 FPU, Mac CDs & software... Let me know... -Wayne wdempsey@athena.mit.edu
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need Intel hardware advice Date: 29 Apr 1993 13:24:03 GMT Organization: Me Message-ID: <1roktjINN8pv@tamsun.tamu.edu> I am considering upgrading my PC to run Nextstep (sorry, I *hate* all caps), and have come down to two basic choices: 1) Gateway 2000 486 DX2/66 (ISA) w/ VL-Bus motherboard $1035 ATI Ultra Pro Graphics w/ 2 MB VRAM 300 Adaptec SCSI controller 215 ------ $1550 2) Dell 50 MHz DE/2 DGX (EISA) w/ JAWS graphics and DPT 2012 SCSI controller $3202 Part of the difference in price here is because I already have a Gateway 2000, so I would not have to buy a new case, power supply, etc. The Dell is a very stripped down system, into which I would put my current floppy drives, but which does include case and power supply. (It also includes 4 MB of RAM since they won't sell it with no RAM at all installed). I plan to buy RAM and hard drive from separate sources (R^2 is currently selling the Seagate 1.2 GB for $1120, an awesome price). The hardware compatibility guide lists only the ISA system from Gateway 2000. With ISA systems it recommends only the Adaptec SCSI controller. It also, however, states that you will get better performance from an EISA system. I have priced the 50 MHz Dell system because that is the one recommended in the compatibility guide for the JAWS graphics, which will give much better graphics performance. Now to my question: Which of these is truly the better system? With the Dell, you don't get the 66 MHz, but you get the faster graphics and the better SCSI controller. Gateway really did *not* want to sell me the Adaptec SCSI controller...they were trying to push UltraStor instead, and could not get it through their heads that I was going by a compatibility guide that did not include the UltraStor. They were quite insistent that the UltraStor would be a *much* better controller in terms of speed. So, for the Gateway, it appears you trade graphics speed and SCSI controller speed for processor speed. To the end user, which machine would be more pleasant to work with? Even though it doesn't list it in the compatibility guide, would the UltraStor SCSI controller for ISA work for Nextstep? I'd appreciate any tips anyone could give me. Diana
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: Apple ][ and NeXT Message-ID: <1993Apr29.145237.10047@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 14:52:37 GMT Sorry if this post is not entirely appropriate to this newsgroup, but our site only gets the c.s.n.* groups, and I know that there are quire a few NeXT types out there who are/were old Apple ][ Hackers. First, I have heard that there is an Apple ][ emulator available (PD?) for the NeXT. Can someone send me some information on this? I have not been able to find it in the archives. Second, I have just inherited a vintage Apple ][ plus (for free!, and to think that about 10 years ago, I would have given my left arm for one). Unfortunately, I have no software, not even any system software for the machine. (short of an ancient copy of VisiCalc that someone left in the drive - still works. . . ). I would appreciate it if some kind soul would lend me some assistance in procuring it. I assume (rightly? wrongly?) that I own a license to it by virtue of owning the machine. Probably, Apple really no longer cares too much about proliferation of ancient copies of Apple ][+ system software. . . I'm really feeling stupid for having tossed out a shoe-box full of Apple ][ software a few years back. The machine also has a Microsoft SoftCard, but I lack the software to make the Z80 hum . . . I'm not planning to do anything really useful with the machine, just keep it for history's sake. (It sits alongside my NeXT's, my 128K mac, a Sun 3/60, an AT&T 3B2, and my original IBM PC). On an unrelated point, I'd love to flesh out my collection with an Apple Lisa, assuming that my Fiance does not kill me for having another computer to haul around - if anyone has any idea where I can get a hold of one (a good home - I promise!), let me know. Once again, my apology for this only semi-NeXT related posting, still, we're all a part of history . . . Waxing Nostalgic, Matthew M. Stecker UNC School of Law (for one more day!) matt%mattcube@concert.net --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) Subject: Re: TeX installation --- help needed In-Reply-To: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU's message of Wed, 28 Apr 93 18:34:28 GMT Message-ID: <GISLI.93Apr29113259@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Sender: news@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Mr. News) Organization: University of Michigan References: <504.2bdea5ae@dbulm1.uucp> <1993Apr28.183428.929@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 16:32:59 GMT >>>>> In article <1993Apr28.183428.929@leland.Stanford.EDU>, magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes: > I need some information about the installation of TeX. > ... > we want to install TeX on one machine in the network, but we don't > know how to manage this. MN> Sorry about posting this, but email bounced. In that case I won't even try. MN> You have two (realistic) alternatives. Alter the install script to MN> put EVERYTHING in /usr/local (which can then be remote mounted), or MN> install it everywhere. Trying to export part of the TeX distribution MN> (as installed is /usr) is doomed to failure. I have chosen to MN> install it on all machines in our lab, as I didn't want to deal with MN> rewriting the script. To save disk space, I removed things like MN> /NextLibrary/Documentation instead, and remote mounted it. Here are MN> some good candidates for remote mounting: You can also install TeX on all machines but remote mount /NextLibrary/Fonts/TeXfonts which contains a large chunk of TeX (mine is 13.5 Megs). Don't remote mount all of /NextLibrary/Fonts or you'll have problems. Gisli -- ............................................................................... Gisli Ottarsson Delenda est Carthago. University of Michigan gisli@engin.umich.edu ...............................................................................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) Subject: Re: NXTSTEP Educ Pricing, etc..... !!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <1993Apr29.150932.10341@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu> Organization: San Jose State University - Math/CS Dept. References: <C66AFo.LKt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> <1rlb3b$bpi@agate.berkeley.edu> <chris.736012661@vincent1.iastate.edu> <Apr28.211712.68468@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <chris.736045466@vincent1.iastate.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 15:09:32 GMT chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: >Well, one difference between edu priced package and non-edu priced >package in my local University Bookstore is ...you can't upgrade with >the special price. For example, I can get Ami Pro 3.0 for windows >with $99 in the Bookstore, while I can get it with $149 from discount >store. If I want to upgrade from version 3 to 4(in the future), I used >to pay $49 for upgrade while I've to pay $99 or more for an edu full >package again. This is rather unusual. Most companies will let you upgrade educational versions as if they were the regular commercial version. I know Borland, WordPerfect, Adobe, and Aldus operate that way. One thing to be careful of, though, in educational packaging is what is included. Sometimes a company will have 2 or more packagings for the educational market and they often differ in content. Borland for example has 'Scholar Priced' packaged and 'Academic Editions'. the 'Scholar Priced' packages are the full package while the 'Academic Edition' is often missing something. >[Never mind... just my two cents] >[the rest of the stuff deleted] >-- >Chris Wong | "PC suck? Yeah, I know, but NeXT has close it's hard > | line. >chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science >twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
From: tiggr@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Pieter Schoenmakers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Who looks after sonata? Date: 29 Apr 1993 07:18:06 GMT Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands Message-ID: <1rnvfe$1pp@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <#q75yvb@rpi.edu> In article <#q75yvb@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > There are two kinds of FTP usage: >For purposes of downloads, your comment is true. For >purposes of contributions, if most of the contributors >are in the US then it does make more sense to have the >main archive in the US If the number of contribution transfers is significant to the number of download transfers the FTP site should do something about its marketing. --Tiggr
From: perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.0 upgrade info wanted Date: 29 Apr 1993 17:28:17 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rp37h$ku4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Originator: perkins@arctic.cps.msu.edu I checked the 92_Spring FAQs and NeXTAnswers (through Digital Librarian) but, suprisingly, couldn't find an answer. Could somebody please point me to information on cost/procedure to get an 2.1->3.0 upgrade package for a NeXTcube? Regards, Steve -- ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: collis@lele-next2.Stanford.EDU (Samuel Scott Collis) Subject: Upgrade app for 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Apr29.190637.9577@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 19:06:37 GMT Exerpt from latest FAQ: >Subject: U8. What equipment do I need to load 3.0? > >A CDrom drive and a means of getting an upgrade-prep app onto your disk. >This means having your own floppy drive, being on the net, having >someone with a floppy drive put it onto OD, kermitting it over with a >serial line... you get the idea. You do not need a special boot ROM for >3.0. I have a NeXTstep 3.0 CD-ROM but I don't have the upgrade app. Is the upgrade app available on the net? Thanks, Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: odd timing in a production run Message-ID: <1993Apr29.155020.6171@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 15:50:20 GMT Greetings: Yesterday afternoon just before going home I started a long production run of a straight C program that solves an integral equation for scattering amplitudes at a given energy, but repeated for twenty different energies. The amount of computation is, I believe, fixed, i.e., independent of the energy parameter. At the start of the program and after the completion of each energy calculation I print out the time of day, which this morning I find to be It is now Wed Apr 28 16:50:06 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 17:03:08 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 17:12:50 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 17:22:33 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 17:32:15 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 18:12:35 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 18:56:50 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 19:41:10 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 20:25:47 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 21:10:03 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 21:54:26 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 22:38:44 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 22:57:21 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 23:07:03 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 23:16:45 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 23:26:27 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 23:36:09 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 23:45:51 1993 It is now Wed Apr 28 23:55:33 1993 It is now Thu Apr 29 00:05:15 1993 It is now Thu Apr 29 00:14:57 1993 It is now Thu Apr 29 00:24:39 1993 21 times, fine!, and I should be pleased to see I got my job done. But, look at the time differences! For the first hour or so, the machine computed one energy every ten minutes or so. Then, starting about 17:40 (?), it suddenly begins taking about 45 minutes/energy. And then, from about 22:45, it switches back to 10 minutes/ energy! I find that wonderfully amazing (and have no explanation). Anybody have any good ideas here? I have to tell you more. I do not believe it has anything to do with my crontab, since there was nothing in the at-queue and the other cron stuff takes place after 2:00 am. I don't believe there was anyone else using the machine (from 6:00 pm to 10:45 pm -- I had actually done a "who" at those times when I signed on from home). But, there might be the rub: I signed on from home to check the progress of the run. (The file with the phase shifts is periodically opened and closed as needed, so I could look at that to see where things stood.) The reason for signing on at 10:45 was because that was when I calculated things would be finished, based on the first hour's results. You can imagine I was somewhat puzzled to learn that I was then only a bit more than halfway done. So, I poked about a bit, looking at going processes. 'ps -ux' showed the only other process accumulating any time (other than the window server) was Engage! In fact, it showed 216 minutes of execution compared with 107 minutes for the production run. Is Engage! a CPU hog?, I asked. [Please note I am not responsible for the crazy punctuation of that last sentence.] So, I killed the Engage! process at 22:54 and signed out. It was after that time that the calculations went back to 10 min/energy. Thinking about it this morning, I'm not SO sure that I can blame the Engage! for this behavior. Engage! had been running, after all, since 8:00 am that morning, and, when the console is idle, it puts up the "shooting stars" screensaver. It maybe didn't start the screensaver until 6:30? (Shouldn't/doesn't normally take that long.) When it's on, the screensaver, it does hog CPU? That would be surprising, but maybe so! Any thoughts or explanations? Dick Silbar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Subject: Re: NeXTstation for sale Message-ID: <sieu.736107043@cory.Berkeley.EDU> Keywords: sale next station Sender: nntp@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (NNTP Poster) Organization: University of California, at Berkeley References: <1993Apr28.080448.18975@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 18:10:43 GMT sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) writes: >NeXT Station for sale >===================== >68040 25Mhz Monochrome NextStation >8MB RAM >200 MB hard disk >internal floppy drive >Keyboard >Mouse >Monochrome MegaPixel monitor >$2200 >If interested, please email or call me. >Johnson Sieu >sieu@cory.berkeley.edu this is a test
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: where can I find Nghiem's "NEXTSTEP Programming" book Message-ID: <1993Apr29.145351.2157@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <C67qyA.G76@northstar.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 14:53:51 GMT In article <C67qyA.G76@northstar.com> rzewski@northstar.com (Alexis Rzewski) writes: > Hi, > > has anyone seen Alex Nghiem's book "NEXTSTEP Programming ...", > Prentice-Hall, in bookstores? I'm curious how Nghiem's book compares to Garfinkel and Mahoney's NeXTSTEP book. Though G&M's book is excellent for what it does, I was disappointed it covered very few of the 3.0 features such as distributed objects, hotlinks, bundling, 3DKit and DBKit. -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Gregory W. Gee <gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Subject: removing palettes from palette menu? Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 19:22:46 GMT Message-ID: <9304291922.AA02762@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> To: comp.sys.next.misc@newshost.uwo.ca Sender: daemon@julian.uwo.ca (Julian System Daemon Account) Does anybody know how to remove a palette from the palette menu in Interface Builder. I want to get rid of and rearrange some of the palettes the I put in. Please respond by mail if possible. **************************************************************************** Greg Gee gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Honours Computer Science, ggee@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario NeXT Mail accepted >>> Developing in the NeXT generation <<< ****************************************************************************
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Selects Bell Atlantic as Authorized Service Provider Date: 29 Apr 1993 20:54:22 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rpf9u$4fa@rosie.next.com> News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Mary Keifer Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services 215/296-2987 Elizabeth Pasternock/Margaret Densley 312/280-7000 Karen Steele NeXT Computer, Inc 415/780-3781 NeXT Selects Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services As Authorized Service Provider FRAZER, Penn., April 26, 1993 - Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services and NeXT Computer Inc., today signed an agreement that names Bell Atlantic as the official service provider for NeXT workstations and printers worldwide. On May 15, subject to standard closing conditions, Bell Atlantic will assume responsibility for servicing NeXT hardware in the U.S. under warranty as well as offer post warranty support services. "This is another very important step in taking care of our existing customers as we complete our transition to a software-only company," said Steven P. Jobs, chairman, president and CEO of NeXT. "We chose Bell Atlantic because of its multivendor support offerings, its excellent reputation as a first-class service provider and its ability to expand upon the services NeXT was able to offer. We also wanted a service provider who, in the future could support the Intel-based PCs running NEXTSTEP." In addition to its NeXT service capabilities, Bell Atlantic supports more than 640 other brands of hardware and software from 338 key field offices worldwide. The company services more than 650,000 units for 60,000 customers at 80,000 sites worldwide. "Our expertise in servicing NeXT products as well as hundreds of other hardware and software products will help customers maximize their overall equipment investment throughout the long term," said Gene Greer, president of Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services. "We will continue the high-quality service that NeXT offered their customers. In addition, for customers with multivendor environments, this is an ideal opportunity to consolidate efforts with one vendor." NeXT equipment repairs will be conducted at the Hayward, Calif. repair facility of Bell Atlantic Computer Technology Services. In addition, Bell Atlantic intends to hire the NeXT service customer representatives who currently support the NeXT service hotline. Until May 15, NeXT users can obtain service support by contacting 1-800-848-NeXT. After May 15, NeXT users can call 1-800-NEX-NeXT to reach the Bell Atlantic customer service department. Bell Atlantic will attend NeXTWORLD Expo on May 25 through May 27, in San Francisco to tell customers firsthand about the new hardware service offerings. For NeXT users not attending NeXTWORLD, Bell Atlantic plans to distribute service information in mid-May. Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services, headquartered in Frazer, Penn., is the world's leading independent computer service organization. It supports more IBM and DEC systems than any other organization outside of the manufacturers, and services more than 640 other brands as well. In all, Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services maintains more than 10,000 makes and models of computer hardware. Bell Atlantic Corporation, based in Philadelphia, is the parent of telephone companies in the mid-Atlantic region, and one of the largest cellular carriers in the nation. Bell Atlantic also is the parent of companies that provide software and systems integration and financial services. NeXT develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. NEXTSTEP is used by customers to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped productivity software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, Calif., 94063. -30- Next, the NeXT logo, NEXTSTEP, and NeXTWORLD are trademarks of NeXT, Inc. All other trademarks belong to their respective owners.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Date: 29 Apr 1993 21:03:22 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rpfqq$4fn@rosie.next.com> News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Brett Bachman NeXT (415) 780-3807 NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for NeXT Computers REDWOOD CITY, Calif., April 26, 1993 - NeXT Computer, Inc. today announced NEXTSTEP Release 3.1, an upgrade to Release 3.0, for owners of NeXT workstations. In a related announcement, NeXT also named Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services as the official service provider for NeXT workstations and printers worldwide. (Please refer to separate release.) NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 is the newest version of the industry's leading object-oriented software for developing and deploying client/server applications. It provides new features, performance enhancements and bug fixes. The same version will run both on existing NeXT 68040 workstations and on computers powered by Intel 80486 and Pentium microprocessors. "NeXT is committed to continuing support for our installed base of NeXT workstation customers," said Brett Bachman, NeXT's director of product marketing. "We also want to make sure that customers with mixed installations of NeXT computers and Intel-based PCs can interoperate seamlessly on a network." NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for NeXT 68040 Hardware NEXTSTEP Release 3.1, the newest version of the industry's leading object-oriented software for client/server application development and deployment, will be available as separate user and developer products. The user product, called NEXTSTEP, includes everything needed to use NEXTSTEP applications, including electronic mail (the multimedia NeXTmail), built-in NetWare and NFS networking capabilities, transparent database access and system administration tools. NEXTSTEP Developer, the development environment, contains all the visual application construction tools needed to develop NEXTSTEP applications including distributed object messaging to facilitate building client/server applications. Significantly, Release 3.1 supports Multiple-Architecture Binaries. As a result, the same application compiled under Release 3.1 will run on existing NeXT 68040 workstations and on PCs powered by Intel 80486 and Pentium microprocessors. In addition, Multiple-Architecture Binaries enable in-house and commercial NEXTSTEP developers to create and deploy a single version of an application for mixed hardware environments from either NeXT or Intel computers. One copy of an application dynamically loads the correct binary automatically, depending on the computer on which it is running. Third-party developers have found that porting existing NEXTSTEP applications to NEXTSTEP for Intel processors is extremely simple. "NEXTSTEP is the ideal environment for cross-platform development," said Tom Mallory, vice president, development for WordPerfect Corporation. "It took one day to port WordPerfect from NEXTSTEP on the Motorola 68040 to NEXTSTEP on the Intel486. No other development environment is as fast or flexible." Network Interoperability NEXTSTEP users of both NeXT and Intel computers can interoperate transparently over a network. For example, a NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 document created using an Intel PC can be opened by a NeXT workstation user simply by double-clicking on the document's icon. NEXTSTEP also includes support for transparent access to NetWare and NFS servers. Compatibility with DOS and Windows Applications Using technology developed and sold by Insignia Solutions in Mountain View, Calif., NEXTSTEP offers interoperability and compatibility with Microsoft DOS/Windows environments, including file transfer and the ability to run these environments within NEXTSTEP via PC emulation. NEXTSTEP users will enjoy the same level of Windows emulation as NT users because Insignia Solutions is providing the same technology used to emulate Windows under NT. Using SoftPC, NEXTSTEP users can expect to remain current with the latest versions of DOS and Windows, as well as enjoying progressive compatibility with earlier versions of the Microsoft operating systems. "Our Windows compatibility is way ahead because this is exactly the same technology that Insignia and Microsoft are working together to provide for Windows NT," said Margaret Chan, manager of NEXTSTEP product marketing at NeXT. "We want to leverage these applications in the NEXTSTEP environment. Our added value is to integrate mission-critical custom applications on the desktop with these software applications." As a service to its customers, NeXT has arranged with Insignia a special promotion of SoftPC with Windows for owners of NEXTSTEP for NeXT hardware. The promotion reduces the price of SoftPC for Windows, regularly $695, to $499. This special promotion runs until May 25, when NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 begins shipping. Interested customers should contact Insignia directly. Additional Enhancements to Release 3.1 NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 has been performance tuned, yielding performance enhancements of 10 to 15 percent compared to Release 3.0. It contains bug fixes and other quality improvements. The new release also provides enhanced support for the C++ object-oriented programming language. Release 3.1 is compliant with POSIX (Portable Operating System Interface), a standard that is mandated in most computer procurements by the federal government. GOSIP support, another government-mandated standard, will be available as an add-on product. AppleTalk client support and AppleShare server support in NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 will be offered through a third-party specialist, Information Presentation Technologies, Inc. (IPT), of San Luis Obispo, Calif. IPT is the leader in cross-platform connectivity between UNIX and Macintosh platforms, and is the only provider of peer-to-peer UNIX-to-AppleTalk solutions. Upgrade Price and Availability NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for NeXT 68040 workstations will be available beginning at the 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo, being held May 25 through 27 in San Francisco. Registered owners of Release 3.0 can purchase an upgrade to the user environment of Release 3.1 for $75 per individual machine, or $50 per machine for a Right-to-Use License. Users of earlier releases of NEXTSTEP can upgrade to Release 3.1 for $495. NEXTSTEP Developer will also be available at NeXTWORLD Expo in May, for $1,995. Upgrades to this new developer environment on NeXT workstations will cost $99 for owners of NEXTSTEP Release 3.0, and $495 for owners of Release 1.X or 2.X. Service and Support NeXT has signed an agreement with Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services under which Bell Atlantic will be the official service provider for NeXT workstations and printers in the U.S. Beginning May 15, Bell Atlantic will assume responsibility for servicing NeXT hardware under warranty, as well as offering post-warranty support services. Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services, headquartered in Frazer, Penn., is well suited to service NeXT hardware. It is the world's leading independent computer service organization, supporting more than 640 brands of hardware and software, and servicing some 650,000 units for 60,000 customers worldwide. About NeXT NeXT develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. NEXTSTEP is used by customers to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped productivity software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, Calif., 94063. -30- NeXT, the NeXT logo and NEXTSTEP are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Intel486 and Pentium are registered trademarks of Intel Corp. All other trademarks mentioned belong to their respective owners.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Pencom Software Rolls Out Mentoring Services Program for NEXTSTEP Date: 29 Apr 1993 21:07:11 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rpg1v$4fr@rosie.next.com> News: Elizabeth Richardson Pencom, Public Relations Specialist Phone: 512-343-6666 Fax: 512-795-2022 Email: eli@pencom.com Pencom Software Rolls Out Mentoring Services Program Company Set to Assist Clients in Re-Engineering, Support and Training Services Austin, Texas, April 23, 1993 - Pencom Software announced today the formalization of a Mentoring Services Program designed to provide highly responsive, exceptional quality software support packages customized for clients' specific needs. Each package - the Bronze, Silver or Gold - provides a selection of support components allowing clients to purchase only the specific services they need for their organization. Fees are based on the package purchased and are billed at a one-time annual rate, allowing customers to pay an up-front fee for a designated set of services. Each package includes on-site design reviews, electronic mail, toll-free phone support, on-site system reviews with added Software Architectural Team (S.W.A.T.) services billed at a discounted rate. Additional services are available with the Silver and Gold packages. "The dynamics of today's marketplace have placed more emphasis on responsive services," said Scott Abel, Director, Re-Engineering Services. "Customers are now asking for more interaction and expressing a desire for our expertise in a long-term support relationship, rather than just on a project basis." While Pencom is now formalizing these services into a fully developed program, the company has already been assisting companies with mentoring support. Clients such as McCaw Cellular, IBM, Preferred Health Care, SunSoft and others have already utilized Pencom's expertise in re-engineering, application development and training services - services that are highlighted in the Mentoring Support Packages. "Customers are realizing that they need more than just a hotline for their development support questions," said Abel. "They want support from someone who inherently knows their business and understands what they are trying to accomplish. Our mentoring services provide an initial design review, followed up with quarterly reviews. The same Pencom engineer will conduct all reviews for a company, as well as be available for their phone or email questions. The Gold package also includes an additional eight days of consulting that can be utilized around one of the quarterly reviews at any time during the year." Furthermore, the packages provide discounted rates for Pencom's S.W.A.T. services. These S.W.A.T. engineers are available for companies requiring high-level, mission-critical assistance for difficult technical problems, application design expertise or rapid development of software. "Today's marketplace demands that companies produce their products and services more effectively and efficiently than ever before," said Abel. "Pencom's re-engineering focus allows us to respond quickly to a client's changing needs, and help them utilize their computing environment as a competitive edge in their business." Pencom continues to lead the industry in innovative service solutions! Our latest program, the Mentoring Service Packages, provide a cost-efficient alternative for companies utilizing systems integration services the Open Systems marketplace. Additionally, under the direction of Scott Abel, Director, Re-Engineering Services, Pencom is positioned to make significant contributions to the Open Systems industry. Abel's experience in leading-edge technologies enables Pencom to position itself as a leader in areas such as object-oriented programming, graphical user interface development, client server technology and Windows NT. Abel's responsibilities since joining the Pencom team in March have centered on application porting and development, client-server architectures, relational database design and development, object-oriented programming, interoperability tools and downsizing projects for end-user companies. His innovative approaches have initiated programs such as the Mentoring Services Program and the Device Driver development program for NeXTWORLD EXPO exhibitors. Pencom's leadership role in the Open Systems industry continues to grow as the company expands its programs and services. Scott Abel and other Pencom executives are willing to discuss the specifics of the company's re-engineering vision. Please contact them for further information at (512) 343-6666. For more information, contact Elizabeth Richardson, Pencom Software, 9050 Capital of Texas Highway North, Austin, Texas, 78759. Ph: 512-343-6666. Fax: 512-795-2022. Email: eli@pencom.com. Pencom Software is a division of Pencom Systems, Inc., a $43 million systems integration, technical search and contract programming firm with six offices nationwide. Today, Pencom Systems is the only company of its kind to provide the entire suite of specialized services necessary for a smooth migration to open Systems computing through personnel, services and products.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Objective Technologies Announces OT Palettes for NEXTSTEP Date: 29 Apr 1993 21:09:54 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rpg72$4fu@rosie.next.com> News: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Eric Bergerson Managing Director Objective Technologies, Inc. Email: eb@object.com OTI Announces OT Palettes for NEXTSTEP: SmartFieldPalette, ChooserPalette, GraphPalette, and MathPalette NEW YORK, April 15, 1993 -- Objective Technologies, Inc. (OTI) the leading supplier of object software for NEXTSTEP announced today that it has begun shipping beta versions of their acclaimed object software, OT Palettes. Objective Technologies' palettes, originally released in 1991, were the first commercially available objects integrated into the NEXTSTEP development environment. While NEXTSTEP migrates to 486 hardware architecture, Objective Technologies is quickly following suit, ensuring that their customers will enjoy the full suite of tools they have come to depend upon while developing NEXTSTEP software. Objective Technologies' palettes include: SmartFieldPalette All New Version 3.0! provides an advanced set of editing, formatting, data entry and data validation characteristics for entering any textual information, including numbers, dates and text. The palette can dynamically load new parsers and inspectors, allowing the developer to easily customize proprietary formats and validation requirements. ChooserPalette is a scrolling selection list that may be easily incorporated into custom NEXTSTEP applications. It displays and manages lists, and specifies actions to be taken when entries are selected. GraphPalette allows programmers to create fully interactive graphs within custom applications by simply dragging objects from the palette. This palette supplies a set of control objects that graph virtually any type of multiple range two-dimensional data. MathPalette facilitates the front end development of applications which rely on communication with Mathematica, a system for doing mathematics by computer. The supplied objects support input and output to Mathematica, including graphic display objects. MathPalette allows results to be displayed as single numbers, mathematical expressions or PostScript graphics. Favorable reaction to Objective Technologies port to Intel-based NEXTSTEP: Ken Anderson of Phibro Energy said, "Objective Technologies palettes are an important part of our development environment. Their early port of the palettes to the NEXTSTEP 486 platform and their professional manner in handling the transition made our move to the Intel platform much smoother." Ron Weissman, Director of Corporate Marketing commented, "Objective Technologies continues to lead the NEXTSTEP object market with their speedy port to Intel. I am confident that our Intel users will come to appreciate the high-quality tools and professionalism of Objective Technologies." PRICING AND AVAILABILITY The NEXTSTEP for Intel version of OT Palettes is now available in beta form for all current customers to begin using and testing. When NEXTSTEP for Intel is released, Objective Technologies will release a final shipping version of the palettes. The final version will have the same pricing as the Objective Technologies software used on NeXT computers. Owners of the currently shipping palettes will be able to purchase upgrade licenses at $50 per user license. As with all OTI software, purchasing licenses in groups of five or more entitles the purchaser to a 20% discount. Educational customers will continue to enjoy a 50% discount on all Objective Technologies software. There are no additional run1time fees or licenses necessary to include the palette objects in end1user applications. SPECIAL OFFER For each purchase of an OT Palette license, Objective Technologies will upgrade that license to NEXTSTEP for Intel without cost (* - see below). This offer is valid from this release date until Objective Technologies releases its final shipping version of the OT Palettes for NEXTSTEP for Intel. Objective Technologies, Inc., founded in 1990, is one of the leading suppliers of software for NEXTSTEP. In addition to the palettes, the company also offers a number of other developer tools including, the Object Kits: OTStringKit, OTDBKit, OTAppKit and the Object Persistence Paradigm (OPP). Objective Technologies also produces end-user software including OTProvide and SqlBuddy which are database-related applications. In addition, the company provides consulting services and custom software to a wide range of prestigious clients. Objective Technologies, Inc. markets its products worldwide through distributors and directly to end-users. The privately held company is headquartered in New York. *upgrades require a $10 shipping and handling charge.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: IPT Releases "Partner": Provides AppleTalk Networking for NEXTSTEP Date: 29 Apr 1993 21:12:47 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rpgcf$4g4@rosie.next.com> News: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE For more information contact: Rod Braly IPT Phone: (805) 541-3000 Email: info@iptech.com IPT Releases "Partner": Provides AppleTalk Networking for NEXTSTEP San Luis Obispo, Calif. - April 26, 1993, Information Presentation Technologies, Inc. (IPT), a leading manufacturer of Macintosh-to-UNIX connectivity software, has officially released its Partner series of products for NEXTSTEP systems. Partner provides NEXTSTEP users with AppleTalk client support and AppleShare server support. IPT's Partner offers additional options not available with NeXT's AppleTalk client software, including bi-directional file-sharing, bi-directional printing, print spooling, print queue management, icon binding/mapping and electronic mail. "Partner provides seamless interoperability between Macintosh computers and NEXTSTEP systems, including both NeXT's 68040-based workstations and Intel-based PCs that will run NEXTSTEP for Intel processors" said Jon Simonds, president of IPT. "NeXT's connectivity strategy is to focus on making NEXTSTEP the leading object-oriented software for developing and deploying client/server applications. We want to provide a framework upon which specialized experts can base their solutions," said Brett Bachman, director of product marketing at NeXT. "IPT is an ideal example of this strategy in action. As a leading AppleTalk-to-UNIX networking vendor, IPT is well positioned for delivering AppleTalk connectivity solutions to NEXTSTEP customers." Partner for NeXT's 68040-based workstations is shipping now; until NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 begins shipping, the Partner product will include an update of NeXT's kernel for improved AppleTalk protocol support. Partner for NEXTSTEP for Intel processors will be available May 25, 1993. Pricing for Partner starts at $149. Information Presentation Technologies, Inc. was founded in 1983 and is located in San Luis Obispo, Calif. IPT specializes in developing server-based and peer-to-peer networking products for the UNIX and Macintosh computing environments. For more information, contact IPT at 555 Chorro Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405; telephone (805) 541-3000; e-mail info@iptech.com. # # #
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The plot thickens (Intel hardware) Date: 29 Apr 1993 22:45:19 GMT Organization: Me Message-ID: <1rplpvINN60m@tamsun.tamu.edu> Ok, since one helpful respondent pointed out to me that the "final" hardware compatibility list would include much more than the pre-release list, I've gone hog-wild trying to come up with the "best" configuration by combining rumor, wild speculation, and even possibly a few facts. For those who didn't see my last post, I was comparing a setup from Gateway 2000 to one from Dell. Briefly, they were as follows: Gateway 2000 Dell Board speed/Bus 66/ISA 50/EISA Graphics VL-Bus ATI On-board JAWS SCSI Adaptec (ISA) DPT (EISA) There are some obvious tradeoffs here. 66/50 MHz, graphics (speed and resolution), and SCSI speed. I have been told that the ATI VL-Bus graphics is actually faster than the JAWS. The JAWS, however, will allow 1120x832 resolution, while the ATI is limited to 1024x768. In Byte magazine April issue, there is a short article where they were actually comparing motherboards from two different vendors. The motherboards were EISA boards that also included VL-Bus on two slots. One of the comparisons they performed was SCSI controller performance. They tested two different controller cards on each machine: one EISA and one VL-Bus ISA. The EISA card outperformed the VL-Bus. (The cards they were using were UltraStor, if anybody cares). What this all boils down to is that it appears to me that if you're going for pure speed and graphics resolution is of lesser importance then the ideal system would be an EISA with VL-Bus. This way you could use the ATI graphics on the VL-Bus slot, yet also be able to use the DPT SCSI controller for maximum SCSI performance in one of the EISA (non-VL-Bus) slots. Micronics just came out with a DX2/66 EISA/VL-Bus board. When I called Gateway again to see if they were selling this board yet, I had a hard time getting across what I was describing to the salesperson (poor girl...obviously they're not selling this board yet ;). Eventually her supervisor broke in and he tried to tell me something I have a really hard time believing. He claims that for a stand-alone system you will get better performance out of an ISA/VL-Bus than you will an EISA/VL-Bus. Frankly, this just sounds like a salesman trying to make a sale because I'd already pretty much said that I'd have to look elsewhere to buy my EISA/VL-Bus board. It seems impossible to me that what he said could be true. I could possibly believe it if you were talking about an EISA system with no VL-Bus graphics. His assertion was that the EISA systems were designed for server machines. It seems to me that the combination would provide both high file I/O throughput and fast graphics, for a combination that would beat either the straight EISA or the ISA/VL-Bus. What's the scoop here? Is there something I'm missing? Diana
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: P.S. to The plot thickens Date: 29 Apr 1993 22:47:46 GMT Organization: Me Message-ID: <1rpluiINN68m@tamsun.tamu.edu> When the supervisor asked what I wanted to run on this machine and I told him Nextstep, he said "What's that?" *sigh* Diana
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: odd timing in a production run Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 19:11:35 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Yfs62b_00WB6B2bIse@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1993Apr29.155020.6171@newshost.lanl.gov> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 29-Apr-93 odd timing in a production run by Dick Silbar@cantina.lanl > Thinking about it this morning, I'm not SO sure that I can blame the > Engage! for this behavior. Engage! had been running, after all, since > 8:00 am that morning, and, when the console is idle, it puts up the > "shooting stars" screensaver. It maybe didn't start the screensaver until > 6:30? (Shouldn't/doesn't normally take that long.) When it's on, the > screensaver, it does hog CPU? That would be surprising, but maybe so! If you using Space from BackSpace, then yes, it does eat up a great deal of CPU time. There're commands called nice and renice that allows you to adjust the process priorities so that your real work gets executed first and your screensaver doesn't eat up needed CPU. Also, BackSpace itself has a process priority slider that you can adjust. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: brian@gehenna.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian R. Glaeske) Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Message-ID: <C69r4G.Gr5@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 23:41:04 GMT References: <1rpfqq$4fn@rosie.next.com> Organization: University of Southern North Dakota, Hoople In article <1rpfqq$4fn@rosie.next.com> Conrad_Geiger@next.com (Conrad Geiger) writes: [Propaganda Deleted] >Upgrade Price and Availability > >Registered owners of Release 3.0 can purchase an >upgrade to the user environment of Release 3.1 for $75 per individual >machine, or $50 per machine for a Right-to-Use License. Users of >earlier releases of NEXTSTEP can upgrade to Release 3.1 for $495. >Upgrades to this new developer environment on NeXT >workstations will cost $99 for owners of NEXTSTEP Release 3.0, and >$495 for owners of Release 1.X or 2.X. How many like me (still running 2.x), who after seeing 3.0, decided to wait for 3.1 and the improvements (i.e. bug fixes), and now feel like $1000 is a little steep for buying into the NeXT philosophy? I can't say that I didn't expect it, but I didn't think my sticker shock was going to be quite bad. I figured about $700 for the full package. Anybody still have a unregistered copy of 3.0 that they would like to get rid of for about $175? I'll buy it. -- Brian Glaeske - /| glaeske@plains.NoDak.edu [NeXT Mail] o.O` --Ooop ACK!! =(___)= U "Bloom County Forever!!"
From: slinnero@NMSU.edu (Steven T. Linnerooth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Monitors on Cube and '040 Date: 30 Apr 1993 00:19:53 GMT Organization: New Mexico State University Message-ID: <1rprb9INNf1e@dns1.NMSU.Edu> What is the difference between the CRT's for the cube and the '040's? I don't like the one with the built in microphone as well as the older one. What's the difference? -- -Steve Linnerooth slinnero@nmsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: Apple ][ and NeXT Message-ID: <1993Apr29.222837.421@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <1993Apr29.145237.10047@mattcube> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 22:28:37 GMT In article <1993Apr29.145237.10047@mattcube> matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) writes: >The machine also has a Microsoft SoftCard, but I lack the software to make > the Z80 hum . . . Now if you could get that into cube slot, you'd have something... -- Jonathan Hendry Anderson Financial Systems jon@afs.com (Nextmail Welcome!) or tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu I see an Epson and I want to paint it black...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> Subject: Video projector Message-ID: <1993Apr29.200252.4428@proponent.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Proponent Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 20:02:52 GMT I want to hook up a video projector or large monitor to the NeXT for a presentation. The information in NeXTanswers is a few years old. What solutions are available/recommended today for using a video projector or large monitor on a NeXTstation or NeXTstation Color? Thanks. Monty -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
From: tom@rightbrain.com (Tom Friesch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NT Info - the analysts view (very, very long - sorry) Message-ID: <1206@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 30 Apr 93 00:49:16 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: RightBrain Software, Palo Alto, CA My wife works as a stock analyst, covering high-tech companies. She gave me an industry rag called *Windows Watcher* (FEB-93). Sorry this is a little dated, but I thought these groups would be interested in what the financial community analysts were seeing. Everything in this is from the author, NOT from me. While you're reading this, be advised this guy is *very* biased. However, if his information and predictions are correct, it is interesting stuff. I apologize for any typos (not my forte). Indents represent section headings. Again, PREDICTIONS & CONCLUSIONS are the authors, all I did was type this. NT PROGRESS REPORT (the title) - Will it be ready, willing, and able? It's decision time again, folks. Time for you to decide when - or whether to support a new operating system. It could be the most important decision you make all year. Many of you have been through this before. A few years back, companies such as Software Publishing, WordPerfect, and others placed a bet on OS/2. they lost (to the tune of millions of dollars). Now it's time to step up to the roulette wheel again. This time you're being asked to decide whether to develop for Microsoft Windows NT. Bet wrong, and you could damage your profitability and give your competitors an edge. I'm not going to bore you with yet another recap of NT's feature set. Instead, I'm going to concentrate on key questions such as: Will NT show up on time or be delayed again? How good will it be? Will it be an immediate hit? A success after a long ramp-up? A flop? What will it be used for? (Servers? Desktops? Both?) What kind of product opportunities does it present? Here's where I earn my keep by making predictions so you have a scapegoat if something goes wrong. - When Will NT Ship? There's lots of speculation in the trade press that NT will be delayed again. PREDICTION: NT will be announced at Windows World (Spring Comdex in late May), and ship a month or two after that. Some reports have also conjectured that Microsoft will leave out key parts to make its ship date. PREDICTION: NT will include everything Microsoft said it would, including networking. There will certainly be lots of goodies left over for the next release - RPC security services, the OPen GL graphics library fro Silicon Graphics, the object-oriented file system, the new Cairo interface - but these are all things that Microsoft has admitted may not make the first go-around. - Will it have compatibility problems? As far as compatibility with 16-bit Windows is concerned, beta testers tell me that problems have been the exception rather than the norm. DOS compatibility, however is another matter. "NT's Achilles heel is its DOS emulation," says an insider who asks to remain anonymous. "There's no copy of DOS loaded and there's no virtual machine. Even though Microsoft gets to use DOS source code, they aren't a whole lot better off than Joe Unix Vendor when it comes to running DOS apps." "I'm amazed this hasn't gotten more attention," he continues. "The current beta is still way short of the standard set by Win 3.1. I even run into Microsoft programmers who think a virtual machine is being used." CONCLUSION: NT probably won't do a good job of running old-line DOS apps that "party on the hardware" (that bypass the operating system and talk directly to the computer to improve performance). PREDICTION: Even tough DOS compatibility will be a weak pint, it won't matter that much to NT's core audience (see below). - Will performance be up to par? You may have heard rumors about the slow performance of the beta version. right now, performance is "lousy on anything short of a hot rod, " admits David Rorabaugh, associate Editor of the Windows JOurnal. But Rorabaugh says you have to put that into context. "I set up OS/2 2.0 on an identical machine and learned the true meaning of crawl." Most observers don't think performance will be a serious problem by the time NT ships. Paul Maritz, Microsoft's senior VP of the systems division, has told developers that performance double between the alpha version and the beta version. he claims it will double again before release. PREDICTION: NT's performance will be adequate on high-end Intel machines, and quite good on Pentium boxes and RISC machines. As for low-end and mid-range Intel-based PC's, there is no reason to expect NT will ever be faster than Windows/Chicago. Although speed will be a hurdle for some buyers (they'll need to upgrade machines), it won't be a long-term impediment. - Will it have bugs? Of course it will have bugs. This is an attempt to build a brand new, state-of-the-art operating system from the ground up. PREDICTION: As NT gets out, users will discover glitches, incompatibilities, and shortcomings. You should expect a maintenance release by year's end or shortly thereafter. But given the enormous beta program Microsoft has in place, you can feel comfortable that even before first release will be a good product. - Will system requirements be excessive? Again, the high requirements of the beta version have people worried that the shipping copy will have the same problems. The beta version does indeed need at least 12MB of RAM and 60MB on the hard disk. Insiders insist however, that these requirements will improve by ship time. PREDICTION: NT will run adequately on 8MB and require less than 30MB on the hard disk. That's a step up fort the average desktop machine, but not out of reach. - Will there be enough NT apps to attract buyer? This is a good news, bad news story. Thanks to Microsoft's tremendous efforts to attract developer support, NT will have more apps than any new operating system in history. However, there will be few truly "NT-centric" apps that show off NT's unique features. In the long-term, however, you're going to see tons of cool NT apps, both from commercial developers and from corporate apps. almost without exception, my programmer friends love NT. "It's really nice programming for NT," confirms Martin Heller, a well-known Windows author and consultant and Senior contributing Editor to WINDOWS Magazine. "There's great carry-over from Windows. If you know the Windows API, you can write WIN32 programs almost immediately." PREDICTION: In the beginning, most developers will hedge their bets by developing for WIN32s, so their apps will run on either Windows/DOS or Windows NT. It will be at least a year before we see a body of applications that tale full advantage of multitasking, multithreading, multiprocessing and other special features. - How will it be sold? The latest information I have suggests that Microsoft will sell the core NT operating system and and a series of "extension" or "add-ons". LAN Manager for NT for network administrators Hermes for managing and installing software centrally over the network Advanced Server for NT for robust, client/server applications Advanced Server has not been announced officially as of this writing. I am unable to say whether it is a bundle of Microsoft's SQL Server with NT (long rumored) or a bundle of Oracle with NT (as Oracle CEO LArry Ellison has hinted might happen) or some third option. - How will it be priced? So far, Microsoft refuses to give details on pricing, except to say that NT will be under $500. When Microsoft first started using that number, the channel complained loudly. Companies such as Egghead don't believe NT will move at retail at such a high price. "NT will be important as a desktop operating system on higher end machines if Microsoft gets it out with a street price under $150, " predicts David Rorabaugh. "Any higher and I expect it will be a niche product." If Microsoft were to come in near $500, they'd create a perception that NT is a specialist's product, much like Sun's Solaris and other Unix variants. That is emphatically not what they want. They want to position NT as the operating systems of the future for all of us. PREDICTION: Given their need to build market share, given the feedback they've gotten fro the channel, and given their aggressive (and highly successful) introductory pricing with Access. I predict a price under $250 and perhaps even lower. - How will it be positioned? Is Microsoft positioning NT as networking operating system? As a high-end workstation system? As an enterprise, clients/server system? Answer: "All of the above" Microsoft has given a very incoherent message so far. Some people call this the Clinton approach to marketing. Then break your promises when it's too late for people to do anything about it. But I think the real problem is that Microsoft still hasn't quite figured it out for themselves yet. As a result, many people are rightfully confused about the roles of Windows NT versus Windows 3.1. Here's my conclusion after talking to dozens of sources. Windows NT versus Windows 3.1 is not"Windows for big machines" versus "Windows for small machines." It is not "deluxe Windows" versus "economy Windows." It is not "server Windows" versus "client Windows." In the long run, it boils down to "administered Windows" versus "personal Windows." Son don't make the mistake of thinking in terms of Window/DOS clients talking to NT servers. I'm not convinced that NT will win the server battle. But i am convinced that, over time, it will win the client battle, at least to the extent that corporate America moves its line of business applications to client-server networks. If corporations do that - if they go client-server - they will want their client workstations on robust, secure workstations that can be centrally administered. And that spells NT. Non-critical LAN's may have Win 3.1 clients talking to NT servers. (or Novell servers. Or Unix servers. Or just peer-to-peer.) But mission-critical networks will want NT on the client side, not the less reliable, less secure Windows/DOS. As my anonymous friend explains it: "a single power user still wants Win 3.1, no matter how big the machine, because it is easier, faster, and more familiar. However, and order entry station still gets NT, no matter how slow the machine. Nobody cares how long those guys have to wait if it's a question of the integrity of the enterprise application." He says security is the soul of NT. I think he's right. Things that aren't supposed to be changed CAN'T be changed. Experimenting and learning more are much less dangerous. the machine rarely crashes. It is much harder for a user's mistake (or a user's malicious actions) to corrupt corporate data. PREDICTION: NT will sell a few copies for servers. It will sell some for high-end engineering and scientific workstations. But that's not where the big numbers will come from. Eventually, I think NT could become the preferred desktop operating system for the client workstations in mission-critical, client-server applications. - How will sales ramp up? And now we come to the bottomline. Given all the previous predictions, how will sales do the first year? Microsoft believes NT will make up 10-20% of its sales - somewhere between one and two million copies the first year. My friends with a desktop, single-user orientation tend to think that NT will build slowly, especially on the desktop. "NT will never be much of a force on the desktop," asserts well0-known programmer Alan Cooper. "There is no compelling need for it there. There is every likelihood that the next version of Windows/DOS [Chicago] will steal a *lot* of thunder from NT. All NT gives you is pre-emptive multitasking and a decent file system. I'll bet the next version of Windows/DOS has these things and NT will be left holding the $100 million development expense bag." Cooper thinks "the Windows/DOS development team is in the process of doing to NT exactly what they did to OS/2/ OS/2 was going to be the salvation by breaking the 640K barrier. Then Windows 3.0 shipped and, what do you know, *it* broke the 640K barrier. Goodbye OS/2." I think Cooper is ignoring the building client-server momentum. Corporate America is searching for a desktop operating system they can trust with their essential projects, the *we'll-go-broke-if-it-breaks* applications that have been running on host machines for the past 20 years. On the other hand, corporate information professionals are a conservative lot. They'll take their own sweet time during evaluation (as Microsoft has learned trying to sell Windows for Workgroups). PREDICTION: NT will get an initial surge from programmers, from companies buying evaluation copies, and from beta testers who want to roll out wide as soon as it is released. Then it will hit a pause as we wait for (1) killer NT-centric apps to appear and (2) corporations to finish their evaluation cycles and (3) internal pilot projects to finish, at which time they'll order copies for all the end users. - What opportunities does NT present? It should be obvious from the above that I think anyone with a corporate enterprise product should move to NT. the robustness and built-in security of Windows NT will give your products an edge. Likewise, performance hungry products belong on NT right away. If you are building utilities and single-user apps, on the other hand, you'll probably want to stay focused on Windows 3.1 for a while linger. Even so, you should write to the Win32s spec, so your app will be easy to port to NT whenever the time is right. __________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________ Tom Friesch NeXTMail: tom@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 132 Hamilton Avenue Palo Alto, CA 94301 Seeing something from someone else's point of view can be quite dangerous without proper training
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Monitors on Cube and '040 Message-ID: <1993Apr30.040936.5792@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1rprb9INNf1e@dns1.NMSU.Edu> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 04:09:36 GMT In article <1rprb9INNf1e@dns1.NMSU.Edu> slinnero@NMSU.edu (Steven T. Linnerooth) writes: > What is the difference between the CRT's for the cube and the '040's? > I don't like the one with the built in microphone as well as the older > one. What's the difference? About 10 lbs ;-) -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: wln@cs.columbia.edu (William Lee Nussbaum) Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Message-ID: <C6A2K2.M4x@cs.columbia.edu> Sender: news@cs.columbia.edu (The Daily News) Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science References: <1rpfqq$4fn@rosie.next.com> <C69r4G.Gr5@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 03:48:01 GMT In article <C69r4G.Gr5@ns1.nodak.edu> brian@gehenna.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian R. Glaeske) writes: > >I can't say that I didn't expect it, but I didn't think my sticker shock was >going to be quite bad. I figured about $700 for the full package. > >Anybody still have a unregistered copy of 3.0 that they would like to get >rid of for about $175? I'll buy it. ...are you still an educational customer? will you be this summer? >-- >Brian Glaeske > - /| glaeske@plains.NoDak.edu [NeXT Mail] > o.O` --Ooop ACK!! >=(___)= > U "Bloom County Forever!!" -- Lee Nussbaum | The commitment of American culture to pluralism <wln@cs.columbia.edu> | and individual rights is reason for optimism, as NeXTmail, MIME welcomed. | is the pliancy and profusion of electronic B0/4 w gv k s- p+ | technology. - Ithiel de Sola Pool
From: benjamin@baobab.cadif.cornell.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do you Kill Swapping? Date: 30 Apr 1993 05:18:25 GMT Organization: Cadif Cornell University Ithaca NY. Message-ID: <1rqcr8$kgp@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU> References: <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> <66966@mimsy.umd.edu>,<10144@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Try 'vm_stat' at the command line (after you've been using the machine a while...)
From: benjamin@baobab.cadif.cornell.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How do you Kill Swapping? Date: 30 Apr 1993 06:04:13 GMT Organization: Cadif Cornell University Ithaca NY. Message-ID: <1rqfgt$kgp@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU> References: <1rd9p8$lt5@access.digex.net> <1993Apr26.203948.21922@rpslmc.edu> <66966@mimsy.umd.edu>,<10144@blue.cis.pitt.edu>,<1rqcr8$kgp@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU> Oops. Previous posting title should have been changed to "How you can tell if you're swapping excessively..." For example... bletch (~) [benjamin] 1:19am 52> vm_stat Mach Virtual Memory Statistics: (page size of 8192 bytes) Pages free: 47. Pages active: 1082. Pages inactive: 588. Pages wired down: 215. "Translation faults": 1906478. Pages copy-on-write: 673699. Pages zero filled: 178170. Pages reactivated: 61732. Pageins: 13295. Pageouts: 5531. Object cache: 14140 hits of 17276 lookups (81% hit rate) bletch (~) [benjamin] 1:50am 53> The way to read this is to note the number of pageouts; if it's appreciably high (comparable to the number of pageins) then you're thrashing. The cure for this is to add more memory. Hope this helps, /Ben
From: Ke-Wei Ma <km4c+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to buy/get info on NextStep? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 04:30:20 -0400 Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4fsCCQa00WB2RWm3Zy@andrew.cmu.edu> How can a student get NextStep cheaply for the IBM PC? Is there a FAQ that tells me what kind of configuration is required? Is there a developers kit avaible too? Thanks. Ke-Wei
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Information Service Message-ID: <1993Apr29.153024.6867@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 15:30:24 GMT I am interested in creating a service that provides information for a fee. I would prefer charging per type of information rather than charging for a connect time. I would like to allow people to access the system by modem, or over the net, this system will have a slip connection. Thus can anyone give me any pointers on Software. I guess the apparent options are BBS type software, Gopher or WAIS type stuff, or some type of FAXback service. Any thoughts? Thanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Announcing FSCurrentDefaults Message-ID: <1993Apr30.123802.19394@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Followup-To: joe@freemansoft.com Sender: joe@freemansoft.com Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Apr29.030136.22379@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 12:38:02 GMT There has been a newer version uploaded to cs.orst.edu pub/next/submissions/FSCurrentDefaults-3.tar.Z The highly efficent ftp coordinator at that site will probably put it in pub/next/binaries/util I had not spelled out the differences between the version on the archive server and the version people would get when they paid their shareware fees. Since this was causing unecessary confusion, I have uploaded a version with all the features enabled. (Specificly, sorted output and the ability to delete a Default). I would like to thank the early downloaders for their great feedback. In article <1993Apr29.030136.22379@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes: >Announcing: FSCurrentDefaults >From: FreemanSoft Inc. > >FSCurrentDefaults is a new module that can be added to the >NeXTi Preferences application that will show a user all their >Defaults settings. All NeXTSTEP programs use the Defaults >information for configuration and appearance management. >Applications usually let the user set or clear these defaults >settings via their Preferences panels. But, most applications >don't let the user see all their settings nor the settings for >all applications. This can only be done from a Terminal window. > >There are other utillity programs out on the market that let the >user edit and view their Defaults database. But the problem is >that each of the is an actual application with yet another icon >to position. Once installed, FSCurrentDefaults becomes another >module visible from inside the Preferences application. Most users >have the Preferences clock displayed at all times. So, those users >will have their defaults editor available at all times without the >wait and hassle of launching another application. > >FSCurrentDefaults is available as a $20 shareware program. Copies >are on network BBSs in a mildly restricted version. Users who >register will get an upgrade to a FAT, make that MAB version >when available. Internet users can find FSCurrentDefaults on >cs.orst.edu. > >FreemanSoft can be reached via Email at info@FreemanSoft.com . -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
From: mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: where can I find Nghiem's "NEXTSTEP Programming" book Message-ID: <29795@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: 30 Apr 93 00:07:47 GMT References: <C67qyA.G76@northstar.com> Sender: news@galaxy.ucr.edu Distribution: usa > has anyone seen Alex Nghiem's book "NEXTSTEP Programming ...", > Prentice-Hall, in bookstores? > > Alexis Rzewski > rzewski@northstar.com Alex's book is being printed and should be available at NeXTWorld Expo May 25 in San Francisco...at least that's what he told me! -- Mike Shebanek Computing and Communications University of California mikes@velo.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) Subject: MPEG Files wanted Message-ID: <1993Apr30.131139.14904@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: MPEG Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 13:11:39 GMT -- Can someone post/tell me where I can get some MPEG files ? I need some to debug my MPEG viewer on my NeXT. My intent is to use for some demoing of NeXT. Thanks! O ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
From: albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Monitors on Cube and '040 Date: 30 Apr 1993 16:18:54 +0300 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1rr8vu$g2a@cc.tut.fi> References: <1rprb9INNf1e@dns1.NMSU.Edu> <1993Apr30.040936.5792@cs.yale.edu> This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen In article <1993Apr30.040936.5792@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <1rprb9INNf1e@dns1.NMSU.Edu> slinnero@NMSU.edu (Steven T. >Linnerooth) writes: >> What is the difference between the CRT's for the cube and the '040's? >> I don't like the one with the built in microphone as well as the older >> one. What's the difference? > >About 10 lbs ;-) And in addition to that there are several changes inside the case of Megapixel. There are two boards and the tube in each of them. The smaller one handles keyboard messages and forwards them to NeXT. It also notices brightnes changes and informs the bigger board (which generates the picture and accelerating power for tube) of the brightnes. The smaller board is a SMD board in the newer monitors and there are also a RCA for the int. microphone, which is not in the older model. The bigger boards are about the same. Some components has been changed (there are different size of capasitors and resistors). Maybe the biggest change is the inner chassis which is much lighter on the newer model. In the old model there are two service hatches each side of the tube and to get the whole cover off you have to take about 15 screws off. The newer one is much more service friendly and the metal chassis will be free after taking about 6-8 screws off. -Juha
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: benk@ie1next.me.umn.edu (Benjamin Koo) Subject: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting Message-ID: <C6AzD3.1yD@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 15:33:36 GMT Hello: Can anybody tell me how to erase swapfile without rebooting? Thanks Ben
From: zhao@nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: what is in NS486 ? Date: 30 Apr 93 10:19:29 Organization: Computing Research Lab Message-ID: <ZHAO.93Apr30101929@sparta.nmsu.edu> Hello, Would you like to tell me what is *exactly* in the NeXTSTEP/486 package, for both $799 and $2,799 versions? I need information to convince my boss to buy the package. I have been making lots of noise to him that NS is great. Now, I need exact information. Would you like to help? Thanks, ZiZi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: krishnan@bliss.uucp (Dr. Ganapathy Krishnan) Subject: DoveFax for sale Message-ID: <1993Apr30.142903.1690@bliss.uucp> Summary: DoveFax for sale Keywords: fax Organization: Stetson University Math/CS Dept. Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 14:29:03 GMT I have a DoveFax modem (2400 baud) with the installation software in the original carton for sale. Works perfectly. The reason for selling it is that I am upgrading to a more expensive modem. Selling price: $150.00 Please call: (904) 736-2784 Email: krishnan@stetson.bitnet Fax: (to the Dovefax) : (904) 738-3827 G. Krishnan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: TeX installation --- help needed Message-ID: <1993Apr30.170851.1685@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <504.2bdea5ae@dbulm1.uucp> <1993Apr28.183428.929@leland.Stanford.EDU> <GISLI.93Apr29113259@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 17:08:51 GMT In article <GISLI.93Apr29113259@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) writes: >>>>>> In article <1993Apr28.183428.929@leland.Stanford.EDU>, magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes: > >> I need some information about the installation of TeX. >> ... >> we want to install TeX on one machine in the network, but we don't >> know how to manage this. > > MN> Sorry about posting this, but email bounced. > Well, now it's a thread. > > MN> You have two (realistic) alternatives. Alter the install script to > MN> put EVERYTHING in /usr/local (which can then be remote mounted), or > MN> install it everywhere. Trying to export part of the TeX distribution > MN> (as installed is /usr) is doomed to failure. I have chosen to > MN> install it on all machines in our lab, as I didn't want to deal with > MN> rewriting the script. To save disk space, I removed things like > MN> /NextLibrary/Documentation instead, and remote mounted it. Here are > MN> some good candidates for remote mounting: > >You can also install TeX on all machines but remote mount >/NextLibrary/Fonts/TeXfonts which contains a large chunk of TeX (mine >is 13.5 Megs). Don't remote mount all of /NextLibrary/Fonts or >you'll have problems. I concur here--I have a Sun Sparc running TeX but using the fonts from the NeXT. However, I would strongly suggest a totally networked system (plus maybe a mirror system in case of failure of the server.) This isn't as much a space saver (which is a good idea itself) but, in the long run, a work saver. If you have several machines to maintain, everytime you get a new style file or format file or font file you have to put it on everyones machine (because they'll all want it)--pain. Do as suggested, get a good working TeX system on the server, then export the necessary directories (if you are really brave, you can customize the site.h file and recompile TeX.) Users who don't want to import to the same directory structure ("I want gnux in my /usr/local...") can import the directories where they want, then set the proper environmental variables (TEXFONTS, etc.). You also may need to play with the MakeTeXPK script for automatic font generation, but it's no big deal. Also, check out the use of soft links. Send me email if you have any question, but I'll be on vacation next week--I just wanted to get one last post in !-) Charlie > > > Gisli > >-- > > >............................................................................... > Gisli Ottarsson > Delenda est Carthago. University of Michigan > gisli@engin.umich.edu >............................................................................... > > > > -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Announcing FSCurrentDefaults Date: 30 Apr 1993 17:16:45 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <1rrmttINNkls@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Apr29.030136.22379@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> <1993Apr30.123802.19394@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> In article <1993Apr30.123802.19394@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes: >There has been a newer version uploaded to cs.orst.edu > pub/next/submissions/FSCurrentDefaults-3.tar.Z It's a neat addition to Preferences. Makes Preferences the "Mother of All Preferences" as it should be :-) Kudos to NeXT for making more and more of it's apps extensible. Now where are all those IconBuilder extensions... ?-) -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: 3.1 announcement - cheap upgrades! Message-ID: <1993Apr29.100734.4543@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 10:07:34 GMT From NeXT, without permission :- (announcement about 3.1) Upgrade Price and Availability NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for NeXT 68040 workstations will be available beginning at the 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo, being held May 25 through 27 in San Francisco. Registered owners of Release 3.0 can purchase an upgrade to the user environment of Release 3.1 for $75 per individual machine, or $50 per machine for a Right-to-Use License. Users of earlier releases of NEXTSTEP can upgrade to Release 3.1 for $495. NEXTSTEP Developer will also be available at NeXTWORLD Expo in May, for $1,995. Upgrades to this new developer environment on NeXT workstations will cost $99 for owners of NEXTSTEP Release 3.0, and $495 for owners of Release 1.X or 2.X. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Date: 30 Apr 1993 18:12:03 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <1rrq5j$lv7@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <1rpfqq$4fn@rosie.next.com> <C69r4G.Gr5@ns1.nodak.edu> In article <C69r4G.Gr5@ns1.nodak.edu> brian@gehenna.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian R. Glaeske) writes: >In article <1rpfqq$4fn@rosie.next.com> Conrad_Geiger@next.com (Conrad Geiger) writes: >>Upgrades to this new developer environment on NeXT >>workstations will cost $99 for owners of NEXTSTEP Release 3.0, and >>$495 for owners of Release 1.X or 2.X. >How many like me (still running 2.x), who after seeing 3.0, decided to wait >for 3.1 and the improvements (i.e. bug fixes), and now feel like $1000 is a >little steep for buying into the NeXT philosophy? Where did you get the $1000 from? It's $495 to get NS3.1 if you don't already have 3.0. It'll be $394 (total) if you already have NS3.0 and want to upgrade to 3.1. You can still get 3.0 by calling NeXT. Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MS20BJ Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Core Application Technologies 1(415)857-3230 Fax 1(415)852-8026
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rex@ravel.udel.edu (Rexford R Reid) Subject: Re: Apple ][ and NeXT Message-ID: <C6BALr.8HM@news.udel.edu> Sender: usenet@news.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware References: <1993Apr29.145237.10047@mattcube> <1993Apr29.222837.421@afs.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 19:39:26 GMT >In article <1993Apr29.222837.421@afs.com> jon@afs.com writes: >>In article <1993Apr29.145237.10047@mattcube> matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew >>M. Stecker) writes: >>>The machine also has a Microsoft SoftCard, but I lack the software to make >>> the Z80 hum . . . >> >>Now if you could get that into cube slot, you'd have something... And...the added bonus of having people stop bitching about not having MicroSlop products available for NeXTS! ;')
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Message-ID: <C6BB5H.GJr@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <1rrq5j$lv7@hpscit.sc.hp.com> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 19:51:17 GMT In article <1rrq5j$lv7@hpscit.sc.hp.com> klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes: > In article <C69r4G.Gr5@ns1.nodak.edu> brian@gehenna.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian R. Glaeske) writes: > >In article <1rpfqq$4fn@rosie.next.com> Conrad_Geiger@next.com (Conrad Geiger) writes: >..., and now feel like $1000 is a > >little steep for buying into the NeXT philosophy? > > Where did you get the $1000 from? It's $495 to get NS3.1 if you > don't already have 3.0. It'll be $394 (total) if you already > have NS3.0 and want to upgrade to 3.1. You can still get 3.0 by > calling NeXT. From NeXT's PR: Users of earlier releases of NEXTSTEP can upgrade to Release 3.1 for $495. .. Upgrades to this new developer environment on NeXT workstations will cost $99 for owners of NEXTSTEP Release 3.0, and $495 for owners of Release 1.X or 2.X. So, $495 for User + $495 for developer. (if you don't have 3.0) For 3.0 users: $75 user + $99 developer. I'm assuming that User and Developer are seperate as they are for NS/I (****MUCH easier to say than NS/FIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Eric > > > Ken > -- > Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MS20BJ > Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA > Core Application Technologies 1(415)857-3230 Fax 1(415)852-8026 -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: where can I find Nghiem's "NEXTSTEP Programming" book Date: 29 Apr 1993 20:52:40 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1rpbm8$qq@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <C67qyA.G76@northstar.com> <1993Apr29.145351.2157@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> From looking at the source code from the book, I think the key word is "Beginner NeXTSTEP programmers". The G&M book surpases this (based ONLY on the examples) for pure programming content and that's saying something. Anybody writing a DB-Kit book? (Will?) Personally, I'm waiting for Step Two, Three etc. Alex's book seems to have a lot on OOP and CRC cards for those new to OOP. This leads me to ask this question. Of all the ISV's and Custom App's shops out there. Which of your follow strict methodologies? -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build heirarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Date: 30 Apr 1993 23:30:11 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <1rscq3$8kv@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <1rrq5j$lv7@hpscit.sc.hp.com> <C6BB5H.GJr@dove.nist.gov> In article <C6BB5H.GJr@dove.nist.gov> eboltz@nist.gov writes: >So, $495 for User + $495 for developer. (if you don't have 3.0) >For 3.0 users: $75 user + $99 developer. >I'm assuming that User and Developer are seperate as they are for >NS/I (****MUCH easier to say than NS/FIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) I didn't read it this way. My understanding is that the developer version includes a single-user license. That was the case for NS for black hardware. Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MS20BJ Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA Core Application Technologies 1(415)857-3230 Fax 1(415)852-8026
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) Subject: 1120x832 on ATI Ultra Pro? Message-ID: <C6BMv8.BvB@ms.uky.edu> Organization: University of Kentucky Date: Sat, 1 May 1993 00:04:20 GMT I'm wondering if NS486 could support 1120x832 on the ATI Ultra Pro. I know that this resolution isn't listed with the card, but as I've learned from using XFree86, it is the dot frequency that ultimately determines the resolution. Since the card can do 1280x1024ni at 74 Hz, 1120x832 at the same rate should work too. You would just need a (software) driver to support it. And a multisync monitor, since a normal SVGA monitor wouldn't be able to sync. The card has enough memory too: (1120 * 832 * 16bit color) / 8 = 1,863,680 bytes needed Since the GUP has 2 megs of vram, it can support 16 bit color at this resolution. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to modify the current drivers; I would think that it would be pretty easy. It would be great if the GUP could be used to get the same resolution as a "real" next. Curious, -- --Mike Mills E-Mail: sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!sam --UK Math Sciences Dept. mike@ukpr.uky.edu --(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Here's a cool, (and free) app! Message-ID: <1993May1.002214.22941@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Date: Sat, 1 May 1993 00:22:14 GMT Hey there all NeXT people: You can pick up a cool new app from sonata.cc.purdue.edu: sonata:/pub/next/submissions/Hackers.tar The Hutchison Avenue Software Corp. has produced a Webster-style digital dictionary version of The Internet Jargon File. The Jargon File houses much of our collective lore, and has been published as part of "The Hacker's Dictionary." (by whom, I can't recall right now). Hutchison produces several digital dictionaries (including Barron's Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms and the Oxford Reference Dictionary of Computing), and it was pointed out to us (by Steve Hayman, who can be found in the Hacker's Dictionary, by searching under "Hayman", anyway...) that this effort would be a good demo of our apps, as well as a way of giving back to the internet. The app requires 3.0, and is informative, and in the case of the Jargon file, very amusing. Feel free to use it, and copy it, and distribute it as you please. Send us any comments you wish to make, as long as they're positive! :-) Any bug reports would be appreciated as well, though the app is very stable! - darcy darcy@solutions.ca The Hutchison Avenue Software Corp. 514.499.2067 info@solutions.ca
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Date: 1 May 1993 05:08:37 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <1rt0klINN524@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1rpfqq$4fn@rosie.next.com> <C69r4G.Gr5@ns1.nodak.edu> <1rrq5j$lv7@hpscit.sc.hp.com> In article <1rrq5j$lv7@hpscit.sc.hp.com> klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes: >In article <C69r4G.Gr5@ns1.nodak.edu> brian@gehenna.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian R. Glaeske) writes: >>How many like me (still running 2.x), who after seeing 3.0, decided to wait >>for 3.1 and the improvements (i.e. bug fixes), and now feel like $1000 is a >>little steep for buying into the NeXT philosophy? >Where did you get the $1000 from? It's $495 to get NS3.1 if you >don't already have 3.0. It'll be $394 (total) if you already >have NS3.0 and want to upgrade to 3.1. Ken seems to have interpreted NeXT's pricing as non-additive for the User and Developer versions whereas Brian is adding the User and Developer prices together. Unfortunately, NeXT has been using additive pricing for new purchases. Can anyone clarify this? -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dan@dolphins.com (Daniel A. Nichols) Subject: is Composite.app available? Message-ID: <1993Apr30.055759.4159@mic!pandora!kypris@convex.com> Sender: dan@mic!pandora!kypris@convex.com Organization: Dolphin Software Systems Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 05:57:59 GMT Hi everyone. Is the demo Composite.app available anywhere? I'm referring to the demo that Steve J showed at last year's NeXTWorld Expo. It has some trees, then he pops in a pic of Donald Duck, a Ferrari, and a spinning cube from Renderman. I've looked on Sonata and cs.orst without any luck. I'd love to have a copy of that demo. Thanks for any help. Dan Nichols dan@kypris.com -- Daniel A. Nichols Voice: (214) 307-0474 Kypris Software Systems Fax: (214) 306-3409 2601 Frankford Rd. #2703 E-Mail: dan_nichols@kypris.com Dallas TX 75287-4517 NeXTMail Welcome!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: The plot thickens (Intel hardware) Message-ID: <1993Apr30.163909.16344@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1rplpvINN60m@tamsun.tamu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 16:39:09 GMT In article <1rplpvINN60m@tamsun.tamu.edu> lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) writes: > In Byte magazine April issue, there > is a short article where they were actually comparing motherboards > from two different vendors. The motherboards were EISA boards > that also included VL-Bus on two slots. They were the Micronics board which is not yet available (two weeks ago they told me late May) and the AMI Enterprise III which has been reported to NOT work with NS PR1. > What this all boils down to is that it appears to me that if you're > going for pure speed and graphics resolution is of lesser importance > then the ideal system would be an EISA with VL-Bus. For now, that true. > Micronics just came out with a DX2/66 EISA/VL-Bus board. When I > called Gateway again to see if they were selling this board yet, > I had a hard time getting across what I was describing to the > salesperson (poor girl...obviously they're not selling this board > yet ;). Eventually her supervisor broke in and he tried to tell me > something I have a really hard time believing. He claims that for > a stand-alone system you will get better performance out of an > ISA/VL-Bus than you will an EISA/VL-Bus. Frankly, this just sounds > like a salesman trying to make a sale because I'd already pretty > much said that I'd have to look elsewhere to buy my EISA/VL-Bus > board. It seems impossible to me that what he said could be true. His claim is false. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: MPEG Files wanted Message-ID: <1993May1.091351.16048@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <1993Apr30.131139.14904@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Date: Sat, 1 May 1993 09:13:51 GMT In article <1993Apr30.131139.14904@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) writes: > > > -- > Can someone post/tell me where I can get some MPEG > files ? I need some to debug my MPEG viewer on my > NeXT. My intent is to use for some demoing of NeXT. > > Thanks! > > O > ------------------------------------------------ > Oscar Brooks > Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 > Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 > Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov I tried to send this direct, but my email bounced: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to dale.ksc.nasa.gov: >>> RCPT To:<obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> <<< 550 <obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov>... User unknown 550 obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov... User unknown So ... There are a bunch of mpegs at toe.berkeley.edu (I think that is the right name for the machine). This is where the MPEG decoder part of a NeXT MPEG viewer comes from. The NeXT MPEG stuff is on sonata.cc.purdue.edu in /pub/next/3.0/src I believe. If you can't find the MPEGs contact me and I'll try to dig out more information. What kind of stuff are you doing with an MPEG decoder? -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stelios@chios.dorm.Virginia.EDU (Stelios Makrinos) Subject: Mail.app DIED!!! Message-ID: <C6CzvC.F6x@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sat, 1 May 1993 17:42:47 GMT Hi all, My Mail.app has mysteriously died. I did something really stupid the other day that created a file that totally filled the hard drive and hung my cube. Anyway I had to unplug the cube because it responded to absolutely nothing (including a remote login). Since then my Mail.app doesn't work. When I double click it it begins to load and just when the icon becomes dark again, the application quits. Anywone have any clue how I can fix this?? Thanks, Stelios Makrinos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ringger@cs.rochester.edu Subject: Does 'hashstat' in NeXT csh(1) work? Message-ID: <9305012102.AA03054@sol.cs.rochester.edu> Sender: daemon@cs.rochester.edu (Old Scratch) Organization: University of Rochester Computer Science Dept Date: Sat, 01 May 93 17:02:30 -0400 Hello. While learning my way around some of the less-frequently used features of csh(1), I found that 'hashstat' did not give me any output. The shell does not complain that the command is not found, so it seems to be implemented as a shell-keyword. In fact, 'hashstat' is listed in the csh(1) man-page. I imagine that others have noticed this before. Are there csh(1)-specific commands that do not function properly? Thanks, --Eric --- Eric K. Ringger ringger@cs.rochester.edu Dept. of Computer Science ------- NeXT-Mail Welcome University of Rochester Phone: (716) 275-0922 Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018 |||| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ||||
From: patrick@dabba.graphics.cornell.edu (Patrick Heynen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: source for Gopher client... Date: 1 May 1993 21:21:13 GMT Organization: Cornell University Program of Computer Graphics Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rupk9INNbf2@loon.graphics.cornell.edu> Keywords: gopher next multimedia Could anyone give me some pointers to where I can find the latest copy of the source for the NeXT Gopher client (I am currently using v1.3.2)? I am interested in making some custom modifications for a proof of concept application involving some extended multimedia data types. I should mention that I do have the source for v1.1, but that version is really not half as rich or robust as v1.3.2. Thanks in advance!! -Patrick ================================================================================= Patrick Heynen email: patrick@yabba.graphics.cornell.edu Program of Computer Graphics Cornell University NeXTmail accepted! =================================================================================
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: where can I find Nghiem's "NEXTSTEP Programming" book Message-ID: <HARDY.93May1154223@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: 's message of Thu, 29 Apr 1993 14:53:51 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Distribution: usa References: <C67qyA.G76@northstar.com> <1993Apr29.145351.2157@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Date: 1 May 93 22:42:28 GMT I have looked at a prepublication copy of Alex Nghiem's book, and at the published version of the Garfinkel-Mahoney book. I liked them both, for different reasons, and think both should be in the library of anyone who wants to learn NeXTSTEP. If you are already an expert, you might try to write your own ;), or produce a reference manual. The difference is somewhat in empahsis and ordering of topics. While Garfinkel-Mahoney bring you quickly into the interface builder, Alex' book starts out explaining what Objective C is all about. he eventually teaches you the "how-to" also, and the source code for examples is alrady available for ftp from sonata. So whether you prefer one or the other depends somewhat on your taste. Being a mathematical physicist, my preferences are towards the "what-is" and "why" over the "how-to"; I teach computational physics in Scheme (rather than in Fortran or Quick-Basic, as some of my colleagues do), getting my students to write symbolic linear algebra or nonlinear dynamics programs within two weeks, rather than worrying about the format of floating-point numbers. Alex' book is scheduled for release at the Expo (he will be there in the Object Lesson booth, to autograph copies); I sent an announcement for him to c.s.n.announce -- hopefully it will appear soon). -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stelios@chios.dorm.Virginia.EDU (Stelios Makrinos) Subject: Re: Mail.app DIED!!! Message-ID: <C6DDsx.Hp6@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <C6CzvC.F6x@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Sat, 1 May 1993 22:43:44 GMT Thanks for the replies. It works fine now. Here is the working solution: A .lock file was created in ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox when my computer was shut off. All I had to do was remove it. Thanks, Stelios Makrinos
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Date: 1 May 1993 17:11:57 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rub0tINNhdv@golden.kaleida.com> References: <1rscq3$8kv@hpscit.sc.hp.com> In article <1rscq3$8kv@hpscit.sc.hp.com> klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) writes: > In article <C6BB5H.GJr@dove.nist.gov> eboltz@nist.gov writes: > >So, $495 for User + $495 for developer. (if you don't have 3.0) > >For 3.0 users: $75 user + $99 developer. > >I'm assuming that User and Developer are seperate as they are for > >NS/I (****MUCH easier to say than NS/FIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) > > I didn't read it this way. My understanding is that the > developer version includes a single-user license. That was the > case for NS for black hardware. > I don't think it's the case any more. For 3.1, it looks like User Version = NOT fat = $75 Dev Version = FAT = $99 So the developer CD probably won't have the user version on it, just the developer stuff. Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Unmoderated comp.sys.next.announce !! Message-ID: <930501.174640.1q1.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Sat, 1 May 1993 17:46:40 MDT References: <1r5g57$pj8@agate.berkeley.edu> <930424.141507.5W1.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> <1993Apr25.160056.13031@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com writes: > russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes: > >>I would rather have a `pretty much' dead group with 0% noise than >>another comp.sys.next.misc, myself. > > Ah, but those are not the available choices. Because "misc" and > "advocacy" are available, "announce" would not get overloaded with > inappropriate material. There is no reason for it to be moderated. hahahaha. what is the difference between c.s.n.m and an unmoderated c.s.n.an? nada. I'd love it if this were false, if people would use Followup-To:, if inappropriate threads would never start, etc. etc., but it ain't gonna happen. > By the way, if people use modern, well-designed newsreaders like > Kim Storm's "nn", the clutter is much less bothersome and it > becomes possible to look at twice as many newsgroups in half the > time. I agree. what's your point? how would this help an unmoderated group stay on track? (btw: rusnews is the only nn-subset newsreader I know of) -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Hayes Optima 144 optimal configuration Message-ID: <1993May2.035640.3289@digifix!uunet.ca> Sender: sanguish@digifix!uunet.ca Organization: Digital Fix Development Date: Sun, 2 May 1993 03:56:40 GMT Is anyone out there using a Hayes Optima 144 for UUCP and/or SLIP on the NeXT? I replaced my Telebit (destroyed by a lighting strike, NeXT survived UNSCATHED!) with an Optima, but my throughput is lousy. Like 540 cps versus 1000-1400 with my Telebit (not in PEP mode). I could really use a copy of someones register settings. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail)
From: wunner@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Guenter Wunner) Newsgroups: alt.shenanigans,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help With Computer Shenanigan Date: 2 May 93 17:29:54 GMT Organization: TAT (Theoretical Astrophysics Tuebingen), U. of Tuebingen, FRG Message-ID: <wunner.736363794@nova> References: <C5vB2n.9tA@ms.uky.edu> <1r9gg7$rcl@wzv.win.tue.nl> <C5z59K.HoG@world.std.com> <2FWCBAKB@math.fu-berlin.de> Sven Guckes <guckes@math.fu-berlin.de> writes: >jonas@world.std.com (Jonas R Klein) writes: >>Never used a next, but will this work? >>% yes > /dev/his_tty >This will only work if you are allowed to write to that terminal. Well, several months ago I wrote a Bourne Shell script for a similar task. I will include it at the bottom of the post. This script sends the ASCII character 007 (bell) to a desired terminal and in a desired interval. For example, invoking it with "nerv q1 1" will send a bell to /dev/ttyq1 every second. Omit the interval argument and it will automatically be set to zero (beep all the time). This is great fun if the victim is sitting at a machine with a very slow bell (e.g. an IBM PC). Then the machine is so busy beeping all the time that the keyboard interrupt isn't called any more. The script runs perfect on our SGI machine, don't know if it also works on NeXTs. Have phun, Lukas. *** "Fer sell cheep: IBM spel chekker. Wurks grate." *** *** Lukas Wunner, Hustadtring 143, 4630 Bochum, West-Germany *** *** lukas@phoenix.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de / lukas@134.147.160.39 *** PS: sorry, but some of texts in the script are in good ol' German. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #!/bin/sh # NERV nervt Leute (sehr praktisch) if test "$*" = "" then echo "Usage: $0 <Terminal> <Intervall>" exit fi if test "$2" = "" then int=0 else int=$2 fi person=`who | grep tty$1 | cut -c1-10` echo "Nerve: $person\nTerminal: tty$1\nIntervall: $int sec(s)" while test 0 != 1 do echo '\07\c' > /dev/tty$1 sleep $int done
From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software Subject: "Stone Art 93 WINNERS! Announced" Keywords: Free trip. Message-ID: <1993May2.193056.313@stone.com> Date: 2 May 93 19:30:56 GMT Article-I.D.: stone.1993May2.193056.313 Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Well folks, may I have the envelope. Thanks. < Drum Roll> In third place, ($50 cash): --------------------------- Mark Tacchi for "Saturday Afternoon Mischief" In second place, (any Stone Design product): -------------------------------------------- Andrew McCrae for his beautiful rendering of recycle the world. First Place (Free round trip to NeXTWORLD EXPO): ----------------------------------------------- Tyler Janisch for his soulful interpretation of Philip K Dick's tragic anti hero from Blade Runner, Roy Batty. There were some great entries in all three product categories, and we look forward to you all coming by the Castle at Expo to get a look! Honorable mention, and a tshirt ( they are going to be really cool! ) to all entrants, if you entered something and your name is not here, ping info@stone.com; also, if you can't make it to EXPO, send info@stone.com your snail mail. Alexander Steins Christian Vogeli Daryll Strauss Dave Anderson Elizabeth Mezias Erik Sowa G.P. Menos Hooman Bahmandeji John Badanes John F. Sandhoff Jonathan Hendry John Landwehr Maren Cooke Mark Wolinski Michael C. Cam Murshid Nader Nafissi Nicholas Christopher Norm Furlong Pete Clark R. Andrew MacRae Robert Nicholson Samuel Choi Mark Tacchi Todd Nathan Tyler Janisch Van Sant Zacharias J. Beckman ?? Burcham -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: TeX installation --- help needed Message-ID: <1993Apr30.210458.9261@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <GISLI.93Apr29113259@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 21:04:58 GMT In article <GISLI.93Apr29113259@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) writes: > >>>>> In article <1993Apr28.183428.929@leland.Stanford.EDU>, magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes: > > > I need some information about the installation of TeX. > > ... > > we want to install TeX on one machine in the network, but we don't > > know how to manage this. > >MN> Sorry about posting this, but email bounced. > > In that case I won't even try. > >MN> You have two (realistic) alternatives. Alter the install script to >MN> put EVERYTHING in /usr/local (which can then be remote mounted), or >MN> install it everywhere. Trying to export part of the TeX distribution >MN> (as installed is /usr) is doomed to failure. I have chosen to >MN> install it on all machines in our lab, as I didn't want to deal with >MN> rewriting the script. To save disk space, I removed things like >MN> /NextLibrary/Documentation instead, and remote mounted it. Here are >MN> some good candidates for remote mounting: > > You can also install TeX on all machines but remote mount > /NextLibrary/Fonts/TeXfonts which contains a large chunk of TeX (mine > is 13.5 Megs). Don't remote mount all of /NextLibrary/Fonts or > you'll have problems. > Altough this idea is good you must make shure this file system is writable by all since TeX on NeXT is configured to build fonts on demand. So if you didn't configure it to operate on PostScript fonts it is very likely that someone will use a font not already there. See the Metafont documentation for details. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed art thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-7527 Kraichtal 2 | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | NeXTmail welcome !!! # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: adunn@fnalnm.fnal.gov Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rayshade descr. of NeXT parts Date: 2 May 93 17:10:23 -0600 Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Message-ID: <1993May2.171023.1@fnalnm.fnal.gov> Hi, Does anyone have some 3D descriptions of the various NeXT components ( monitor, cube, slab, keyboard, etc ), preferably in rayshade format? Thanks, _andy dunn_ grad slave physics dept. univ. of michigan
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting Date: Sun, 2 May 1993 19:39:31 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Qft5in_00WB3M52Jd3@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <C6AzD3.1yD@news2.cis.umn.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 30-Apr-93 How can I erase swapfile wi.. by Benjamin Koo@ie1next.me. > Hello: > Can anybody tell me how to erase swapfile without rebooting? The simplest answer is: you can't. Try to, and you will crash your system and probably lose data as well. The fact that the swapfile never shrinks is an operating system problem (not exactly a bug) that NeXT has not fixed. It's annoying, but not a major problem. Enabling swapfile compression will presumably reduce the rate at which your swapfile grows. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) Subject: Where can I get information on NeXTStep for Intel Processors? Message-ID: <C6FBK9.AKH@utdallas.edu> Sender: usenet@utdallas.edu Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas Date: Sun, 2 May 1993 23:50:33 GMT Hello. Where can I get information on NeXTStep for Intel CPU's? what exactly it is? its requirements? what all it will do? etc, etc. (I know nothing about it, but the (very) little info. I have heard has piqued my interest) I use OS/2 right now...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: thompson@netcom.com Subject: want to add ADB to my turbo color--have you done it? help! Message-ID: <thompsonC6FIus.5yB@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Summary: adb turbo color upgrade Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 02:28:03 GMT If anyone out there has successfully gotten their turbo color non-ADB switched to an ADB version (by getting the new roms, monitor, keyboard, etc, from NeXT), I would like to hear from you. My current (Fimi) monitor is dying, and I don't want another--I want the Sony. Please help me out by letting me know what you had to go through to get it changed. I want to have black hardware that LASTS and doesn't just go to hell. thanks, Eric p.s. if it matters, this machine is still under warranty.
From: rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu (Rob Snyder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Noisy Hard Drive Date: 3 May 1993 05:01:04 GMT Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1s28ugINN869@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Howdy all, I've just got a quick question. I have a Mono Slab, with a Quantum 200 meg HD. It's generally real quiet. However every once and a while it starts making a terrible racket. Racket (which I would think would be comming from the bearings) lasts a few mins then goes away. The computer is on 24 hours a day. I was wondering if there was some way I could open it up and get the dust out, lube the bearings, or whatever if the culprit is something else. Should I have someone else do it. Any thoughts would be appreciated, along with any similar experences. Thanks a lot! Rob. -- *--------------------------------------------------* * Rob Snyder. /\/e><T Mail accepted * * 'rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu' * * 'snyderre@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu' * * (812)877-8721 * *--------------------------------------------------*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) Subject: Printing to PS file + fonts? Message-ID: <oorient.736408119@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Summary: How? Keywords: Postscript Fonts Sender: news@ucc.su.OZ.AU Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 05:48:39 GMT Hello; Can anyone tell me how to print to a PostScript file ( NeXTStep 3.0) so that some given fonts are included? ( I need it for a different platform - PCs - where apparently there is no font I'd like to have). Thanks in advance. Piotr Palacz
From: patricio@caligula.cerfacs.fr (Joao Patricio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Commercial Fortran for NeXT Date: 3 May 1993 08:37:32 GMT Organization: CERFACS, Toulouse, France Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s2lkc$4he@hal.cerfacs.fr> References: <1993Apr21.071029.11406@sfu.ca> Keywords: Fortran In article <1993Apr21.071029.11406@sfu.ca>, larrie@beaufort.sfu.ca (Larrie Simon Carr) writes: |> I am looking for a *commercial* Fortran compiler for the NeXT. It |> would be nice if the compiler had a option for linking in assembler |> code. |> |> (I already know about the f2c program. However, this does not suit |> the staff member I am trying to support. He does not trust C and hates |> how the linkage between functions is done). |> |> Any information would be great. Thanks. |> |> |> -- |> |> Larrie Carr larrie@sfu.ca |> MicroElectronics and Sensors Group |> School of Engineering Science |> A nice compiler for the Next is actually the Absoft compiler.I'll send the details later, as I have to ask them to other people. But it sure does a nice job, especially on 25 Mhz 68040 machines. Joao Patricio
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane) Subject: Thank you for the TeX help Message-ID: <C6GBDq.KrC@newsflash.concordia.ca> Sender: usenet@newsflash.concordia.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 12:44:13 GMT I'd like to formally thank everybody who has sent E-mail to help me with TeX and Texinfo files. TeX seem like a wonderfull "thing", especially with Texinfo "macros", but could there be a RTF <> TeX converter ? Since RTF maintains most of the same things ... how about it ? +---------------------------------+ ___ ___ ___ | Stephane I. Matis | / \_BATLLETECH /\__\ Viva NeXT! | E-Mail : kgnome@cs.concordia.ca | \___/ \___/ \/__/ NeXTSTEP 3.0! | "It Just Works..." - Steve Jobs | \___/ +---------------------------------+ Wolfnet Operative & NeXThead
From: disc@vector.intercon.com (David Casti) Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.wais,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: swais for the NeXT Date: 3 May 1993 15:25:58 GMT Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Message-ID: <1s3di6$qg@news.intercon.com> Hi, I've been completely unsuccessful at building swais on my NeXT running NeXTStep 3.0. Does someone have a binary that I can snag? In return, I'll put the binary in my anonymous FTP tree so the whole world can have at it. Thanks, David.
From: dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Modem problem Date: 3 May 1993 15:25:17 GMT Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s3dgt$3cr@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> I know Ihave asked this question but I thought I fixed the problem and I threw the response I got away. When I am using my modem to dial up sometimes RING just gets printed on the screen and the modem hangs up. I am jsut trying to dial out... Any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Donald F. Bora | If you put garbage in a computer The Institute for the Learning Sciences | nothing comes out but garbage. Northwestern University | But this garbage, having passed Evanston, Ill | through a very expensive machine, e-mail: dbora@ils.nwu.edu | is somehow ennobled and none dare work: (708) 467-1972 | criticize it... -/usr/bin/fortune --------Be excellent to each other--------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.postscript From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: %%Baseline comment specification (draft). Message-ID: <1993May3.154134.28085@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 15:41:34 GMT Apologies for the time it's taken for me to track this down. Note that this comment should be used anytime an EPS graphic needs to act like a character or collection of characters (such as very specially typeset material). I strongly encourage developers to support this comment in any application that imports EPS files. === %%Baseline: {<ax><ay><dx><dy>}| (atend) <ax>::=<float> x coordinate of the baseline origin. <ay>::=<float> y coordinate of the baseline origin. <dx>::=<float> change in x from the baseline origin. <dy>::=<float> change in y from the baseline origin. The presence of this comment within an EPSF indicates that the generating application is enabling the EPS graphic to be placed inline with text. Examples of EPS graphics that this would be useful for are equations, graphic logos, and specially kerned text fragments. An EPS graphic can be treated as a single text character. This comment provides metric information to enable accurate placement of this 'character'. The receiving application can adjust its import of the 'character' to more accurately align its baseline with the baseline of the including document's text. The first two arguments correspond to the coordinates of the 'character' origin, as defined by the default user coordinate system (PostScript units). The second two arguments are the x and y offsets from the baseline origin in PostScript default units. These offsets represent the position where the receiving application can continue its text placement. There may be two, one or no %%Baseline comments within an EPSF, specifying alternative baselines for different writing modes. If there are two, the receiving application needs to determine and choose the one that matches its current writing mode. Typically, for horizontal writing, the x offset indicates the width of the 'character' and the y offset is zero. Conversely, for vertical writing, the y offset indicates the width of the 'character' and the x offset is zero. === -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: EquationBuilder Announced for NEXTSTEP for INTEL Processors Date: 3 May 1993 15:48:38 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s3esm$7lu@rosie.next.com> News: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Terrence Talbot Digital Tool Works 617/742-4057 info@dtw.com Digital Tool Works (EquationBuilder) Announces Support for NS/FIP BOSTON, Mass., April 30, 1993 - Digital Tool Works reaffirms its support for NEXTSTEP by announcing that EquationBuilder, the technical equation editor for NEXTSTEP, will ship for systems running NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors (NS/FIP) shortly after NS/FIP ships in quantity this May. "NEXTSTEP is in our view not only the premier development environment, but also the finest user environment available anywhere," said Ray Ghanbari of Digital Tool Works. "We of course will continue to develop and support EquationBuilder on all platforms supported by NEXTSTEP." Using a distributed, object-oriented approach to typesetting, EquationBuilder expressions are dynamically recomposed each time the expression is edited, assuring typographic consistency and professional quality results. With EquationBuilder, mathematical expressions are easily constructed from a palette of common elements such as Fractions, Matrices, and Delimiters. Each element is an object and can be inspected quickly, allowing you to change its form in obvious and intuitive ways. EquationBuilder automatically follows standard professional typesetting rules, although manual kerning of arbitrary elements is also possible through inspectors. EquationBuilder's intuitive graphical interface takes full advantage of NEXTSTEP's object-oriented environment, offering true WYSIWYG typesetting. Using Encapsulated PostScript as its native file format, EquationBuilder expressions can easily be included in any page layout or word processing application by simple drag-and-drop. In addition, EquationBuilder fully supports NEXTSTEP, including support for Object Links, filter services, and universal drag-and-drop. EquationBuilder also features powerful and accurate translation to the TEX typesetting language, giving TEX users a simple, intuitive equation composition environment. EquationBuilder is available through NeXTConnection and other authorized resellers. Digital Tool Works is a privately funded software start-up dedicated to the development of productivity and authoring tools running under NEXTSTEP. All trademarks belong to their respective owners.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) Subject: Re: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting Message-ID: <1993May3.155225.26267@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Sender: usenet@newsgate.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS References: <Qft5in_00WB3M52Jd3@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 15:52:25 GMT In article <Qft5in_00WB3M52Jd3@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 30-Apr-93 How can I erase > swapfile wi.. by Benjamin Koo@ie1next.me. > > Hello: > > Can anybody tell me how to erase swapfile without rebooting? > > The simplest answer is: you can't. Try to, and you will crash your > system and probably lose data as well. > > The fact that the swapfile never shrinks is an operating system problem > (not exactly a bug) that NeXT has not fixed. It's annoying, but not a > major problem. > > Enabling swapfile compression will presumably reduce the rate at which > your swapfile grows. > > -Chuck > > > Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) > ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even > AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. > Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. > NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns. You are supposed to be able to limit the swize of the swapfile by adding a hiwat option to the /etc/swaptab file. I haven't gotten this to work, though. Even though I've had a hiwat option in my swaptab file for many months, I still periodically have to reboot my system to regain the space used by the swapfile. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Tim Reed Motorola SPS PRISM CIM Systems Administrator 2100 E. Elliot Rd. email: reed@prism.sps.mot.com MD: EL606 Phone: 602-897-4703 Tempe, AZ. 85282 Fax: 602-897-3549
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: odd timing in a production run -- some resolutions Message-ID: <1993May3.160604.21864@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <1993Apr29.155020.6171@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 16:06:04 GMT In article <1993Apr29.155020.6171@newshost.lanl.gov> posted last week I wrote: > > Yesterday afternoon just before going home I started a long production > run of a straight C program that solves an integral equation for > scattering amplitudes at a given energy, but repeated for twenty different > energies. The amount of computation is, I believe, fixed, i.e., > independent of the energy parameter. At the start of the program and > after the completion of each energy calculation I print out the time of > day, which this morning I find to be > [munch] I went on to describe how, at first, it was costing me about 10 minutes per energy (actually, 9:42), then it inexplicably jumped to 45 minutes per energy, and then, after killing Engage!, dropped back to 10 minutes. The problem was that Engage! was putting up the "shooting stars" (aka Space) screensaver, and all that drawing was indeed hogging much of the CPU. Many people agreed with my conjecture on this (actually, convinced me), one of whom was Jayson Adams. (Yes, he even reads postings that don't have Engage! in the subject line!) My initial hesitation about drawing this conclusion was because I misread the time things went bad (i.e., slow) to be 90 minutes after launch, not the 30 minutes it actually was. I couldn't believe a 90 minute wait before the screensaver came on. OK, to make production runs efficient, all I have to do is turn off my screensaver. Note that what was implied (but not stated) in my original posting is that I started the production run from a Terminal window command line WHILE LOGGED IN AT THE CONSOLE. And then locked up and went home, leaving the thing to run. The idea of continuing to proceed in this manner bothered me for two reasons: the monitor screen might get burned in, and there are a few hundred keys out there that can open my office door and get to my keyboard and mouse. So, is there a better way to do production? One respondent was nice enough to remind me of nice and renice, but the more immediate question for me was how to exeucte in the background. Eventually I remembered that one could launch the program with 'nohup allK < prod_input > prod_output &' and that solves the problem of my console being logged in. Trouble is, the first time I tried it, every energy cost me 26 minutes. An improvement, but not the 10 minutes I was hoping for. The problem here is that, when no one is logged in, the loginwindow is set up to move around the screen. Stung by yet another screensaver! And, one that I want to keep on the system. Last night, however, the cost of running came down to 10:18 minutes per energy, which is good enough to solve the problem of production runs for me. This was done by resetting the default for moving the loginwindow to: 'dwrite loginwindow MovementRate 0.1' Previously that rate was 0.001. So, the answer is, "move slowly". Dick Silbar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy From: scan@csulb.edu (So. Cal. NeXT Users Group) Subject: Exciting Meeting Tomorrow (Tuesday May 4)! Message-ID: <C6Gruo.BA2@csulb.edu> Sender: news@csulb.edu (News Administration/Rumor Bureau) Organization: Cal State Long Beach Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 18:39:59 GMT Find out about NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors. All are welcome! When: Tuesday 4 May 1993 at 5:30 - 7:00 p.m. Where: The Westin-Bonaventure Hotel in downtown Los Angeles 404 South Figueroa; Phone: (213) 624-1000 Meeting: The reason for this meeting is to hear NeXT's plans and strategies for NeXTWORLD Expo (May 25) and beyond. The following "top brass" from NeXT will be there to fill us in: Ron Weissman, Director of Corporate Marketing Erna Arnesen, Director of Channel Marketing Brett Bachman, Director of Product Marketing Steve Jobs is giving a talk at a conference that night :-( Parking: CARPOOL! The Westin-Bonaventure Hotel has a parking garage off Flower. Call the hotel for details: (213) 624-1000. Dues: NONE (no food either, plan to eat before/after the meeting) Directions from the South: Take the 5 freeway north to the 101 freeway. Exit on Grand and turn right. Take Grand to 1st, turn right. Take 1st to Hope, turn left. Hope turns into Flower. Hotel parking is on the right hand side. Directions going north on the Harbor 110 Freeway: Exit on 3rd and turn right. Take 3rd to Flower, turn right. Hotel parking is on the right hand side. Directions going south on the 101 Freeway: Take the 110 freeway south. Exit on Wilshire and turn left. Take Wilshire to Figueroa, turn left. Take Figueroa to 4th, turn right. Take 4th to Flower, turn right. Parking on right. All are welcome to come to the meetings and participate in the group. Hope to see you all there! - Southern California NeXTSTEP Users' Group (SCaN) Mike Mahoney, SCaN President and CSU Long Beach Professor (310) 985-1550, e-mail: mahoney@csulb.edu Bob Desharnais, SCaN Vice-President and CSU Los Angeles Professor (213) 343-2056, e-mail: bob@biol1next.calstatela.edu
From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sun HD on a NeXT Date: 3 May 1993 20:00:17 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s3tkh$7bk@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> I recently purchased a Seagate ST1480N SCSI-2 hard drive. I used it on my Apple II for a while, but got a new scsi interface for it. Well, the interface doesn't like the Sun Sparc station's information that was wrote on the control block. (The previous owner had it on a Sun...) So I figured I'd use the drive on the NeXT here. I plugged it in. Powered it up, and was in the monitor to watch the boot process. It came up as "generic scsi at sg0 at sc0 target 7 lun 7 I would have thought that the cpu would have known the drive was a seagate) Anyway, I cannot figure out what to do now. If I try to do "/usr/etc/sdform /dev/sg0, I get: peach# /usr/etc/sdform /dev/sg0 Request Sense command failed ioctl(SDIOCSRQ): Permission denied I found a few programs called "SCSI tools" on a ftp site, so I tried those: peach# /RemoteSpace/PeanutSpace/Shane/scsitools/inquire -t 1 -l 0 "QUANTUM /LP105S 910109405/2.8 /" typ=0 dev=0 ans=2 fmt=1 -t 5 -l 0 "SEAGATE /ST1480 SUN0424/5826/" typ=0 dev=0 ans=2 fmt=2 So it knows the drive /is/ there. (You can even see the SUN0424 there, I'm not sure whether that's good or bad) Heck, I'm not even sure if the controller block of the drive is intact... If I try to format the drive through disk, I get: peach# /etc/disk -i /dev/sg0 get info: Invalid argument What am I doing wrong here? The cpu is obviously able to access the drive, so I don't think there's anything wrong with the drive. I -do- have all the drive specs from Seagate, so if I had to re-write the controller block from scratch, as long as I had a program that would write the data for me, I could do it. Anyone want to stear me in the right direction? Thanks, shane -- :::Apple II forever!!:::GO BUCKS!:::Play Lacrosse!!:::Raging Bullwinkle!::: : Shane M . Zatezalo - CIS OSU: i-net> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu : : root@tap.colum.fnet.org : NeXTMail> shane@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu : :GS::: call T.A.P. a Futurenet BBS 614-297-7031 16.8k DS HST 425 MEGS ::GS:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu Subject: chopped corner of a color well Message-ID: <C6GvM5.86x@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 20:01:14 GMT Does anyone know why the color in a color well will sometimes have a snipped upper right corner? I reported this as a bug back in 3.0 pre-release but its still not fixed in 3.1 -- _______________________________________________________________________________ I'll cross my heart and hope to die but the needle's already in my eye. _______________________________________________________________________________ Kevin Solie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting Message-ID: <1993May3.185251.15794@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <1993May3.155225.26267@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 18:52:51 GMT In article <1993May3.155225.26267@newsgate.sps.mot.com> reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) writes: > You are supposed to be able to limit the swize of the swapfile by > adding a hiwat option to the /etc/swaptab file. I haven't gotten this > to work, though. Even though I've had a hiwat option in my swaptab > file for many months, I still periodically have to reboot my system > to regain the space used by the swapfile. > The hiwat parameter is intended for use with multiple swapfiles. When one file hits it's hiwat, it should swap to the next one. If you only have one swap file, the effect of using hiwat is to hang your machine when it hits it .... (it was true for 2.1, haven't tested it with 3.x yet, and don't intend to :-). Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 paull@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: (0494)680228 76711.451@compuserve.com
From: disc@vector.intercon.com (David Casti) Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.wais,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: swais for the NeXT Followup-To: comp.infosystems.wais,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Date: 3 May 1993 21:18:09 GMT Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Message-ID: <1s426h$2r2@news.intercon.com> References: <1s3di6$qg@news.intercon.com> David Casti (disc@vector.intercon.com) wrote: : I've been completely unsuccessful at building swais on my NeXT running : NeXTStep 3.0. Does someone have a binary that I can snag? In return, : I'll put the binary in my anonymous FTP tree so the whole world can have : at it. Many thanks to Joe Rosenfeld (cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu) who emailed me the binary. It is now available at vector.intercon.com:/pub/next/swais via anonymous FTP. David. ============================================================================= David Casti Internet: disc@vector.intercon.com Technical Support Engineer InterCon Systems Corporation Phone: (703) 709-5554 950 Herndon Parkway, Suite 420 FAX: (703) 709-5555 Herndon, Virginia 22070 ============================================================================= No official InterCon correspondence will ever have vector.intercon.com as the return address. =============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mahoney@csulb.edu (Mike Mahoney) Subject: Re: where can I find Nghiem's "NEXTSTEP Programming" book Message-ID: <C6H050.EF3@csulb.edu> Sender: news@csulb.edu (News Administration/Rumor Bureau) Organization: Cal State Long Beach References: <1rpbm8$qq@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 21:39:00 GMT Robert, you hit it on the nose. An announcement on STEP TWO is forthcoming, and "Kits" will be in the title, and you know what that means. -mike In article <1rpbm8$qq@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > Anybody writing a DB-Kit book? (Will?) > > Personally, I'm waiting for Step Two, Three etc. Alex's book seems to have > a lot on OOP and CRC cards for those new to OOP. -- - Mike Mahoney, SCaN President Professor and Chair Computer Engineering and Computer Science Dept California State University, Long Beach Long Beach, CA 90840-8302
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: sbackus@ren.eecs.wsu.edu (Samuel Backus - EE) Subject: Macintosh PS on a NeXT Message-ID: <1993May3.213114.26315@serval.net.wsu.edu> Keywords: Postscript Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Date: Mon, 3 May 93 21:31:14 GMT I am using a Macintosh IIsi and want to print to my school's NeXTstation computer printers. I also want to do this using Postscript. I am running MSWord 4.0D under system 7.0.1 and the NeXT machines are running under NeXT Step 2.1. I also have access to machines running NeXT Step 3.0. I also want to be able to transfer the files by disk, as my Mac is not connected to the school's NeXT computers. Any help would be appreciated. Please e-mail replys to my address below as I do not subscribe to this group. Sam <sbackus@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Restore sharpness on old Megapixel Monitor Date: Mon, 3 May 93 22:46:34 GMT Message-ID: <1993May3.224634.821@qb.rhein-main.de> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Is there a canonical way to restore the sharpness of the Megapixel display, i.e. other than opening the box and stabbing around inside of it with a pair of chopsticks? Mine seems to have lost its brilliance over time. Thanks in advance, Volker -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Noisy Hard Drive Date: 4 May 1993 02:25:06 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1s4k62INN3la@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <1s28ugINN869@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> In article <1s28ugINN869@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu (Rob Snyder) writes: > Howdy all, I've just got a quick question. I have a Mono Slab, >with a Quantum 200 meg HD. It's generally real quiet. However every once >and a while it starts making a terrible racket. Racket (which I would >think would be comming from the bearings) lasts a few mins then goes away. >The computer is on 24 hours a day. I was wondering if there was some way >I could open it up and get the dust out, lube the bearings, or whatever if >the culprit is something else. Should I have someone else do it. Any >thoughts would be appreciated, along with any similar experences. Thanks >a lot! > >Rob. >-- >*--------------------------------------------------* >* Rob Snyder. /\/e><T Mail accepted * >* 'rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu' * >* 'snyderre@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu' * >* (812)877-8721 * >*--------------------------------------------------* I have exactly the same experience with my Quantum 200meg. The prognosis is not good. It later became a continuous whining noise of variable intensity. It became so unbearable that I unplugged it and used only the external 500Meg. You can imagine, I sacrificed 200Meg(28%) of my total disk space because of the noise. Strangely enough, it has been doing this for almost a year with no access/crashing problems whatsover. I haven't opened it yet. if you do open it or otherwise fix the problem, please drop me a line. Thank you. -- Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2313 wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Sun HD on a NeXT Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 23:14:43 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <kftRyXe00WB6QsDBpE@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1s3tkh$7bk@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 3-May-93 Sun HD on a NeXT by Shane M Zatezalo@magnus. > So I figured I'd use the drive on the NeXT here. > I plugged it in. Powered it up, and was in the monitor to watch the boot > process. > It came up as "generic scsi at sg0 at sc0 target 7 lun 7 That's not the hard drive, that's the SCSI controller chip inside the NeXT. You should make sure that you've set the SCSI target number on the drive so that it doesn't conflict with the drive(s) currently on the NeXT. Don't set it to 0 or the NeXT will try to boot of the Sun drive. I'm surprised that the WorkSpace didn't ask you something like "Hard drive <xyz> is not readable; do you wish to format it?" > I would have thought that the cpu would have known the drive was a seagate) > Anyway, I cannot figure out what to do now. > > If I try to do "/usr/etc/sdform /dev/sg0, I get: > > peach# /usr/etc/sdform /dev/sg0 > Request Sense command failed > ioctl(SDIOCSRQ): Permission denied Be happy this failed. You could have caused problems if the SCSI controller chip actually tried to do something.... > I found a few programs called "SCSI tools" on a ftp site, so I tried those: > > peach# /RemoteSpace/PeanutSpace/Shane/scsitools/inquire > -t 1 -l 0 "QUANTUM /LP105S 910109405/2.8 /" typ=0 dev=0 ans=2 fmt=1 > -t 5 -l 0 "SEAGATE /ST1480 SUN0424/5826/" typ=0 dev=0 ans=2 fmt=2 > > > So it knows the drive /is/ there. (You can even see the SUN0424 there, > I'm not sure whether that's good or bad) This is good; at least the drive is responding to SCSI requests. > If I try to format the drive through disk, I get: > > peach# /etc/disk -i /dev/sg0 > get info: Invalid argument Try "/usr/etc/disk /dev/rsdxa", where x is the device number of the Sun disk. It's probably 1, unless you already have more than one drive on your NeXT. If this works, you can edit the label, initialize the disk, and so forth from within the disk utility. You can then use newfs to actually create a filesystem on the disk; but the WorkSpace should be able to do that for you automatically. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: asm@eecg.toronto.edu (Anees S. Munshi) Subject: DSP Tutorials (Jean Laroche?) needed Message-ID: <1993May4.002008.6802@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Organization: Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto Date: 4 May 93 04:20:08 GMT Hello: I'm looking for Jean Laroche's (?) DSP programming tutorials urgently. Could someone please tell me where these would be available? Please reply by email, I don't read news regularly. Regards, Anees Munshi ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anees Munshi, University of Toronto, Department of Electrical Engineering Email:asm@eecg.toronto.edu (NeXTMail accepted) Telephone: 416.929.5754 (Toronto), Fax: 416.929.5744 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) Subject: Re: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting Message-ID: <1993May4.054811.6162@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993May3.185251.15794@seer.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 May 93 05:48:11 GMT In article <1993May3.185251.15794@seer.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) writes: > In article <1993May3.155225.26267@newsgate.sps.mot.com> > reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) writes: > > You are supposed to be able to limit the swize of the swapfile by > > adding a hiwat option to the /etc/swaptab file. I haven't gotten this > > to work, though. Even though I've had a hiwat option in my swaptab > > file for many months, I still periodically have to reboot my system > > to regain the space used by the swapfile. > > > The hiwat parameter is intended for use with multiple swapfiles. When one > file hits it's hiwat, it should swap to the next one. > > If you only have one swap file, the effect of using hiwat is to hang your > machine when it hits it .... (it was true for 2.1, haven't tested it with > 3.x yet, and don't intend to :-). According to the man page for mach_swapon: " hiwat=size Do not grow the paging file above the high water mark, size. If size is zero then the file will grow as large as needed." Actually as far as I can tell the hiwat is completely ignored, I have two swap files set up: indeed> more /etc/swaptab # # /etc/swaptab # #/Userdisk/private/swapfile lowat=20971520 hiwat=41943040 #/private/vm/swapfile lowat=5024288 hiwat=41943040 #5 Meg low water mark #40 Meg high water mark /Userdisk/private/vm/swapfile lowat=5024288 hiwat=41943040 prefer /private/vm/swapfile lowat=524288 hiwat=10048580 But let's take a look at how things REALLY are: indeed> ls -l /Userdisk/private/vm/swapfile -rw-r--r-- 1 root 49635328 May 3 22:14 /Userdisk/private/vm/swapfile Note that the above is above my hiwat mark, however indeed> ls -l /private/vm/swapfile -rw------t 1 root 524288 Dec 12 01:18 /private/vm/swapfile My secondary swap file hasn't enlarged (or even changed since I set it up!). I think what it boils down to is that hiwat is meaningless (or at least it is under 3.0, but I bet that it won't be changed in 3.1). If you want to shrink the swapfile then it's /etc/reboot.... I certainly hope that the swapfile handling is smart enough to use that second swapfile if I filled up the primary drive... Has anyone actually had a second swapfile swap? Rick Francis rickf@leland.stanford.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 23:53:03 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93123.235303U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting References: <1993May3.155225.26267@newsgate.sps.mot.com> <1993May3.185251.15794@seer.demon.co.uk> In article <1993May3.185251.15794@seer.demon.co.uk>, paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) says: > >The hiwat parameter is intended for use with multiple swapfiles. When one >file hits it's hiwat, it should swap to the next one. > >If you only have one swap file, the effect of using hiwat is to hang your >machine when it hits it .... (it was true for 2.1, haven't tested it with >3.x yet, and don't intend to :-). It hangs under 3.0 too. -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu (NeXTmail)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 23:58:03 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93123.235803U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Noisy Hard Drive Distribution: usa References: <1s28ugINN869@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <1s4k62INN3la@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In article <1s28ugINN869@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu (Rob Snyder) writes: > Howdy all, I've just got a quick question. I have a Mono Slab, >with a Quantum 200 meg HD. It's generally real quiet. However every once >and a while it starts making a terrible racket. Racket (which I would >think would be comming from the bearings) lasts a few mins then goes away. >The computer is on 24 hours a day. I was wondering if there was some way >I could open it up and get the dust out, lube the bearings, or whatever if >the culprit is something else. Should I have someone else do it. Any >thoughts would be appreciated, along with any similar experences. Thanks >a lot! If the "racket" is at the same time every day (namely 2:00am) then this is a normal occurrence. Just clean up time at the ol' NeXT corral. -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting Message-ID: <SCOTT.93May3114929@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 3 May 93 11:49:29 References: <C6AzD3.1yD@news2.cis.umn.edu> Organization: Is a sign of weakness In-reply-to: benk@ie1next.me.umn.edu's message of Fri, 30 Apr 1993 15:33:36 GMT In article <C6AzD3.1yD@news2.cis.umn.edu>, benk@ie1next.me.umn.edu (Benjamin Koo) writes: >Can anybody tell me how to erase swapfile without rebooting? Assuming you wish your computer to keep running after the operation, you can't. Remember that the swapfile is used to implement virtual memory, which lets your modify your question to "How can I remove the computers SIMMs without rebooting?" You can't for obvious reasons, and the same applies to the swapfile. [BTW, if you _ever_ remove the swapfile entirely, it will be recreated. Then, when the system needs more memory it will be expanded. Unfortunately, you lose performance, because the original swapfile was created to be more-or-less contiguous on disk, while the re-created one will be scattered all over the place. So it's not a good idea to ever delete your swapfile entirely. Instead, adjust your /etc/swaptab to desired parameters.] Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: alt.shenanigans,comp.sys.next.misc From: Sven Guckes <guckes@math.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Help With Computer Shenanigan Message-ID: <QW6CB4ED@math.fu-berlin.de> Originator: guckes@medusa Sender: news@math.fu-berlin.de (Math Department) Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany References: <C5vB2n.9tA@ms.uky.edu> <1r9gg7$rcl@wzv.win.tue.nl> <C5z59K.HoG@world.std.com> <2FWCBAKB@math.fu-berlin.de> <wunner.736363794@nova> Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 09:24:54 GMT wunner@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Guenter Wunner) writes: >echo '\07\c' > /dev/tty$1 Well, if the name of the tty must start with "tty" then you cannot send it to the console. And you have to have write permission, anyway. Lame. Sven :)
From: droege@infko.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting Date: 4 May 1993 10:43:16 GMT Organization: CC/CS Uni-Koblenz Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s5hc4INN3qk@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <1993May4.054811.6162@leland.Stanford.EDU> In article <1993May4.054811.6162@leland.Stanford.EDU> rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) writes: > > > indeed> more /etc/swaptab > # > # /etc/swaptab > # > #/Userdisk/private/swapfile lowat=20971520 hiwat=41943040 > #/private/vm/swapfile lowat=5024288 hiwat=41943040 > #5 Meg low water mark > #40 Meg high water mark > /Userdisk/private/vm/swapfile lowat=5024288 hiwat=41943040 prefer > /private/vm/swapfile lowat=524288 hiwat=10048580 > You used the wrong syntax - options must be comma seperated ! From the man page: file [option[,option]...] [# comment] Ionce noticed unde 2.1 that mach_swapon is very sensitive to that syntax. If you put in the comma and remove the blanks it should work: : /Userdisk/private/vm/swapfile lowat=5024288,hiwat=41943040 prefer : /private/vm/swapfile lowat=524288,hiwat=10048580 Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Universitaet Koblenz, | droege@infko.uni-koblenz.de Institut fuer Informatik | (NeXTmail ok) Rheinau 1, D-5400 Koblenz, Germany | Voice: +49 261 9119-421 (from 1.July 1993: D-56075 Koblenz) | Fax: +49 261 9119-499
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: May Update: NeXTWORLD Expo Info Bulletin (Special Offers and Full Agenda) Date: 4 May 1993 00:06:57 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s4c31$859@rosie.next.com> 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO INFORMATION BULLETIN (May Update: including special offers and full agenda) You are invited to ... What: NeXTWORLD Expo When: May 25 - 27, 1993 Where: Moscone Convention Center, 747 Howard Street San Francisco, California Events: Developer and User Conference and User Group Program Keynotes: by Steve Jobs, NeXT & Andrew Grove, Intel ...From Black Computers to White - NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors ...Completed and Unveiled Over 100 NEXTSTEP technology exhibitors will be present on the Exhibit floor. (See the list of exhibitors at the end of this message.) Phone 1-800-767-2336 or 508-470-3880 to register or FAX the registration form at the end of this message. ******** ********* ******** ******* SPECIAL OFFER As a special offer, all registered NeXTWORLD Expo attendees will receive a 50% discount on all of NeXT Computer's system software products available at the Expo. ******** ********* ******** ******* SPECIAL OFFER For $995, receive admission to all Developer and User Conference sessions PLUS a copy of NEXTSTEP for Intel processors User Environment and Development Tools (a savings of over 85% for NEXTSTEP!) ******** ********* ******** ******* During the 3 day conference, there will be speakers represented from the following 80 organizations, including NeXT: Pencom, McCaw Cellular, Intel, Adamation, WordPerfect, Swiss Bank, Pages, Millennium, MIT, Athena Design, Lighthouse Design, Goldleaf, HSD, RDR, Texas A&M, Integrity Solutions, Data General, Wiltel, Stone Design, VNP, Objective Partners, Objective Technologies, RightBrain, NeXT, Systemhouse, Omni Group, Cal State - Long Beach, University of Houston, Logicon Ultrasystems, Pan Canadian Petroleum Limited, Marble Associates, Chrysler Financial, Servare Business Systems, Trident Data Sys., Booz Allen & Hamilton, Mt Clemens Hospital, Linotype-Hell William Morris Agency, Black Market Technologies, Insight Software, Inherent Software, NeXTWORLD, Data Place Computer, Publish Magazine, IP Design, RadioMail, Bell Atlantic, Pangea, University of Texas, Corporation, Brigham and Womens Hospital, Alain Pinel, Information Delivery Ltd, TRW, USC - ISI, NeuroDimension Inc., LOR/Geske Bock Associates Inc., Panon Telexpertise Inc., TASC, Fidelity Investments, Software Services & Solutions, Inc., MailCom, Just Proportion Ltd., Sarrus, Imagine, Insignia, Abacus, IPT, Conextions, BlackSmith, Xanthus, Thoughtul Software, Boss Logic, Visus, Axsys, WhiteLight, Altsys, Appsoft, Preferred Health Care, Ensuing Technologies, and Proponent. Over 100 NeXT User groups will be represented from the United States, Mexico, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Germany, France, Singapore, Japan, Australia, Netherlands, and Hong Kong. _____________________________________________________________________ TABLE OF CONTENTS => NeXTWORLD EXPO INTRODUCTION => ALL NeXTWORLD EXPO EVENT DESCRIPTIONS => NeXTWORLD EXPO DEVELOPER CONFERENCE TRACKS & SESSIONS => NeXTWORLD EXPO USER CONFERENCE TRACKS & SESSIONS => NEXTSTEP PRODUCT EXHIBITION: PARTICIPATING COMPANIES => NeXT USER GROUP PROGRAM AGENDA => TUTORIALS AND BOF MEETINGS => REGISTRATION, HOTEL AND TRAVEL INFORMATION _____________________________________________________________________ => NeXTWORLD EXPO INTRODUCTION The second annual NeXTWORLD EXPO combines a worldwide Developer Conference, User Conference, User Group Program and Product Exposition spanning three days. This year's NeXTWORLD Expo marks the culmination of the most significant event in NeXT's history. At the Expo, NeXT will deliver the completed, shrinkwrapped release of NEXTSTEP for Intel processors. The product that Byte magazine has called, "...the most respected piece of software on the planet..." -- now available on industry-standard computers. When you see NEXTSTEP, we think you'll agree. NeXT's decision to concentrate on object-oriented software, move away from signature black hardware, and devote all company resources to running NEXTSTEP on white hardware--is more than the transformation of a company. It is, in all likelihood, the transformation of an entire industry. We look forward to seeing you at the Expo. As a special offer, all registered NeXTWORLD EXPO attendees will receive a 50% discount on NeXT's software products available at the Expo. For $695: receive admission to all Developer Conference and User Conference Sessions, attendance to the User Group Program, and admission to the Product Showcase. SPECIAL BONUS...For $995, receive admission to all of the above PLUS a copy of NEXTSTEP for Intel processors User Environment and Development Tools! (See registration form below). _____________________________________________________________________ => ALL NeXTWORLD EXPO EVENT DESCRIPTIONS NeXTWORLD EXPO DEVELOPER CONFERENCE The NeXTWORLD EXPO '93 Developer Conference offers a broad curriculum to the developer community, focusing on creating both shrinkwrapped applications and client/server custom applications. Because the ability to run NEXTSTEP applications on Intel-based computers is now a reality, both the general session and the conference tracks provide valuable information about porting and distribution. Four separate Conference Tracks focus on the business and technical aspects of NEXTSTEP application development. Each track provides a different perspective on understanding and working with NEXTSTEP. To benefit most from the breadth of topics offered at the conference, we encourage you to review and attend sessions from several tracks. A specially priced developer bundle is available which includes registration and a copy of NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors (see registration form below for details). NeXTWORLD EXPO USER CONFERENCE The NeXTWORLD EXPO '93 User Conference offers in-depth information about the use of NEXTSTEP in corporate information systems and on individual desktops. Designed for experienced NEXTSTEP end users, system managers, and IS strategists, the four-track program focuses on the issues of deploying NEXTSTEP in enterprise-wide systems, using NEXTSTEP for maximum benefits, case studies of NEXTSTEP usage in the real world, and comparative looks at the most innovative third-party products in the NeXT market. One session is dedicated to providing a quick start for users who are new to NEXTSTEP, so that they can participate fully in the remainder of the program. Key sessions in each track are repeated so that attendees can participate in as many different sessions as possible. NeXT USER GROUP PROGRAM NoIR (NeXT Organizations InteRnational) is sponsoring a worldwide User Group Program. This year's program theme is "486--An Explosion of New Users Under NeXT's Big Tent." Sessions focus on two tracks: user group leadership and member services. If you want ideas to take back to your group, this program is for you. Last year over 100 groups from around the world were represented and this year we expect many more. With the explosion of new NEXTSTEP users coming this year and next, this program helps you prepare your NeXT User Group for growth and success in 1993 and 1994. In addition to the formal events listed here, several special social events will be held. All user group members attending either the exposition or the conferences are invited to register for the user group program free of charge. KEYNOTE SPEAKERS Tuesday, May 25 9:00 AM - 11:00 AM, Hall E Steve Jobs - Chairman and CEO of NeXT, Inc. Steve Jobs discusses the future of object-oriented, client/server computing. Wednesday, May 26 9:00 AM - 10:30 AM, Hall E Andrew Grove - Chairman and CEO of Intel Corporation Andrew Grove discusses Intel's 486 and Pentium processors, and NEXTSTEP's place in their future. DEVELOPER CONFERENCE GENERAL SESSION Tuesday, May 25 4:30 PM - 5:30 PM, Hall E Your NEXTSTEP Application and their Hardware Paul Hegarty, NeXT's Director of NEXTSTEP for Intel processors software, explains how to port your application to the Intel platform and leaves ample time to answer your porting questions. USER CONFERENCE GENERAL SESSION 10 MOST WANTED Wednesday, May 26 5:00 PM - 6:00 PM, Hall E NeXTWORLD Editor-in-Chief Dan Ruby leads a panel of NEXTSTEP customers, developers, and user group leaders in reviewing NeXT's accomplishments during the last year and setting the agenda for the year ahead. GENERAL SESSIONS OPEN TO ALL ATTENDEES Thursday, May 27 9:00 AM - 10:00 AM, Hall E NEXTSTEP AND THE OS WARS Bob Metcalfe, Publisher and CEO of InfoWorld Publishing Co., hosts a panel of industry pundits and NeXT customers as they discuss the alternatives among advanced operating systems in the coming battle for the corporate desktop. USER GROUP AUCTION Wednesday, May 26 6:00 PM - 7:30 PM, Hall D Attend this fun event. A range of products and services from the NeXT community will go to the highest bidder. Proceeds go toward the User Group Program at the Expo. NeXTWORLD MAGAZINE AWARDS Tuesday, May 25 6:00 PM - 7:00 PM, Hall E NeXTWORLD honors the best and most innovative products in the NeXT market in its first annual award ceremony. Cheer on your favorites as a lineup of NeXT community luminaries announce the winners in each product category. NEXTSTEP PRODUCT EXHIBITION Tuesday, May 25, 11:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Wednesday, May 26, 9:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Thursday, May 27, 9:00 a.m. - 12:00 p.m. Be sure to see over 100 product exhibits and find out why so many companies have embraced NEXTSTEP technology. See the latest in NEXTSTEP hardware and software, and meet with users, resellers, and partners. The Expo also features an ObjectWare Pavillion dedicated to the growing number of NEXTSTEP ObjectWare vendors. _____________________________________________________________________ => NeXTWORLD EXPO DEVELOPER CONFERENCE TRACKS & SESSIONS MAY 25-27, 1993 Tuesday, May 25 -> 11:30 AM - 4:15 PM Wednesday, May 26 -> 11:45 AM - 4:45 PM Thursday, May 27 -> 10:15 AM - 3:00 PM ** TRACK ONE ** THEME: NEXTSTEP MEANS BUSINESS This track addresses topics of broad, general interest to the third-party and corporate developer community, including how to evaluate development environments, profiles of NEXTSTEP's markets and customers, how to protect your intellectual property, and 486 distribution issues. A variety of experts discuss issues geared to business professionals. Technical professionals will benefit from opportunities to hear engineers explain how to succeed in object-oriented development, and to meet key NeXT engineers for a lively Q&A session. No direct NEXTSTEP experience is required for the sessions in this track, but a technical background is sometimes useful. TRACK ONE SESSIONS: ** DISTRIBUTED NEXTSTEP APPLICATIONS ** Erna Arnesen, Director of Channel Sales, NeXT 11:30am - 12:30pm, Tuesday, May 25 Developer Conference Room 130 This comprehensive discussion answers question about NeXT's software distribution channels. Distribution partners are identified and ways to ensure successful interaction with developers are explained. Plans for distribution of NEXTSTEP for Intel processors are also presented. ** A DEVELOPER'S GUIDE TO ENTERPRISE-WIDE DEPLOYMENT ** Anita Sansguiri, Project Manager, ADAMATION 2:00pm - 3:00pm, Tuesday, May 25 Developer Conference Room 130 ADAMATION's project manager describes how they successfully deployed their application at multiple offices of a real estate company. Deployment issues ranging from application development, networking, and database management, to augmenting NEXTSTEP tools are described. ** NeXT's MARKETS AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES ** Ron Weissman, Director, Strategic Marketing, NeXT David Grady, Developer Advocates, NeXT 3:15pm - 4:15pm, Tuesday, May 25 Developer Conference Room 130 This is a chance to hear from NeXT about targeted markets, the specific products that customers are requesting, and solutions that would match market requirements. Opportunities for developers and consultants are discussed. ** NEXTSTEP MEANS BUSINESS ** Warren Weiss, Vice President, Sales and Marketing, NeXT 10:45am - 11:45am, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 130 Hear NeXT' new VP of sales and marketing make the compelling business case for choosing NEXTSTEP. Joining Weiss will be key decision makers from some of NeXT's largest customers. This session outlines where we are headed and how developers can align with NeXT for success. ** PROTECTING YOUR TECHNOLOGY ** Christopher Seline, Esq., Formosa Transnational Attorneys-at-Law 1:15pm - 2:15pm, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 130 Maximizing profit and protecting intellectual property are vital concerns for every developer. This session introduces fundamental legal issues such as copyright, patent, trademark, and trade secret laws and how they relate to computer software. Our speaker has considerable NEXTSTEP and UNIX experience. ** NOTHING's EASIER THAN NEXTSTEP DEVELOPMENT ** Mike Colyer, Lead Developer, WordPerfect Corporation 2:30pm - 3:30pm, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 130 A developer of large commercial applications in both Windows and NEXTSTEP discusses his experiences in cross-platform development. Our speaker ported WordPerfect to NEXTSTEP for Intel processors in a matter of hours and this session describes his experiences. Helpful hints and productivity techniques will be presented. ** SUCCEEDING WITH OBJECT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT ** Bruce Webster, Chief Technical Officer, Pages Software Jayson Adams, CEO and Chief Scientist, Millennium Software Labs 3:45pm - 4:45pm, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 130 Accompanying the power that object-oriented technology (OOT) brings to application development are some specific challenges and requirements. In this session, two NEXTSTEP developers describe the insights they gained and the lessons they learned while producing major commercial productivity applications. * "DR. STRANGEAPP, OR HOW I LEARNED TO STOP WORRYING & LOVE ISV'S" * Jeff Kvam, Swiss Bank Corporation 10:15am - 11:15am, Thursday, May 27 Developer Conference Room 130 One of NeXT's largest commercial customers explains the techniques and business practices of establishing a productive working relationship with large corporations. ** STRATEGIES FOR DYNAMIC PERSONALIZED SYSTEMS ** Pascal Chesnais, Research Specialist, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Media Laboratory Douglas Koen, Undergraduate Researcher, MIT, Media Laboratory 11:30am - 12:30pm, Thursday, May 27 Developer Conference Room 133 Successful personalization of applications will require an understanding of a users' dynamic needs. The MIT Media Laboratory has been exploring these issuesPusing new tools such as user modeling, knowledge representation and distributed servers with the future of news in mind. A system called Glue is described that connects these various components into an extensible personalized news system. ** CREATING SUCCESS WITH NEXTSTEP ** Panel: Moderator: Julie Saffren, Manager, Developer Relations, NeXT David Pollak, Athena Design Scott Love, Millennium Software Labs, Inc. Jonathan Schwartz, Lighthouse Design Lauren Flanegan-Sellers, Goldleaf Publishing 12:45pm - 1:45pm, Thursday, May 27 Developer Conference Room 130 Based on their real-world experiences, a panel of NEXTSTEP developers describe their paths to success in the NEXTSTEP marketplace. Creative marketing techniques, how to leverage the sales force, and product focus are debated and discussed. ** MEET THE SOFTWARE ENGINEERS ** Panel: NeXT Software Engineers Moderator: Jean-Marie Hullot 2:00pm - 3:00pm, Thursday, May 27 Developer Conference Room 130 Several software engineers who were integral in creating NEXTSTEP Release 3 join together in this forum to answer your questions. This was a popular session last year, so come early if you want a seat! ** TRACK TWO ** THEME: NEXTSTEP AND THE ENTERPRISE NEXTSTEP and the Enterprise presents issues specific to using NEXTSTEP in large organizations, such as working with large and mixed networks, portability, interoperability, connectivity, distributed computing, and integration of shrinkwrapped applications into custom solutions. Most sessions in this track require a technical background but assume that attendees have no experience working with NEXTSTEP. TRACK TWO SESSIONS: ** INTEGRATING SHRINKWRAPPED APPLICATIONS IN A CUSTOM SOLUTION ** Panel: Moderator: David Lavallee, Software Engineer, NeXT Dave Peter, HSD Paul Murphy, Independent Consultant Chris Walters, Technical Staff, RDR, Inc. 11:30am - 12:30pm, Tuesday, May 25 Developer Conference Room 131 It's not always possible to find a shrinkwrapped or custom solution that solves a given problem completely. But applications can be easily integrated. Customers and third-party developers discuss why they would integrate shrinkwrapped software into client/server custom solutions, and the value that results from this merger. ** DEVELOPING OBJ-C APPLICATIONS FOR NEXTSTEP & MICROSOFT WINDOWS ** Christopher Lozinski, Berkeley Productivity Group Walter C. Daugherity, Texas A&M University 2:00pm - 3:00pm, Tuesday, May 25 Developer Conference Room 132 NEXTSTEP developers have traditionally been faced with a dilemma: Should they develop in Objective-C on NEXTSTEP, or C++ for Microsoft Windows. Now it's possible to develop for both platforms in Objective-C and C++. Developers can use Objective-C with the Borland compiler on the PC, and the GNU compiler on NEXTSTEP. The discussion reports that develop applications for both platforms, describes this experience, and the techniques that work. There will also be a discussion of Smalltalk for NEXTSTEP. ** WORKFLOW TOOLS IN CUSTOM APPLICATION ** Randy Marchessault, Software Engineer, Integrity Solutions 2:30pm - 3:30pm, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 131 Workflow, a popular, but commonly misunderstood buzzword is examined through applying concepts and objects to real-world problems. Discussion centers on representing tasks and task dependencies, implementing group scheduling, resource management, document and information routing, user notification, and recursive schedule divisibility. ** OBJECT-ORIENTED CLIENT/SERVER APPLICATION DESIGN ** Patricia Monk, Director-NeXT Business Unit, Data General Corporation 3:45pm - 4:45pm, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 131 This session explains the key issues of object-oriented client/server application design and layout, including programming tools and techniques to assist in this type of application development. It also discusses how the UI (or lack of it) for server requester objects and server provider objects affects the efficiency of an application. ** ADVANTAGES INHERENT IN ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTATION ** Carla Kay Barlow, Product Documentation, Stone Design Jim Clark, Advanced Technology Group, WilTel 11:30am - 12:30pm, Thursday, May 27 Developer Conference Room 131 A persuasive argument in favor of all-electronic software documentation, this session spans the interests of users and developers from the viewpoint of third party and corporate development efforts. Topics range from the use of NEXTSTEP's on-line help standard to how to develop class specification documentation that facilitates consistent coding style, code reuse and rapid prototyping. ** A NEXTSTEP SHARED DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT ** Panel: Moderator: Rick Jackson, Software Product Marketing, NeXT Luke Blanshard, Software Architect, VNP Software, Inc. Steve Naroff, Manager, Development Environment, NeXT Pete Clark, Software Engineer, Integrity Solutions, Inc. 12:45pm - 1:45pm, Thursday, May 27 Developer Conference Room 131 Development teams of more than a few people have special synchronization and code management problems that can delay or prevent release of a large working system. NEXTSTEP developers discuss current and future solutions for group development. Corporate and third party developers discuss tools they built to solve today. ** SKETCHING OUT A BETTER USER INTERFACE ** Ray Ryan, User Interface Designer, Lighthouse Design 2:00 - 3:00pm, Thursday, May 27 Developer Conference Room 131 Creating excellent user interfaces is frequently more the result of art than science. This session provides some insight into the aesthetics of UI design. The user interface designer of Diagram! 2 discusses techniques for building good user interfaces starting at day one. He will include before and after examples from Diagram! and Diagram! 2 to emphasize how sound UI design techniques help create more usable interfaces. ** TRACK THREE ** THEME: DEVELOPING NEXTSTEP APPLICATIONS This track examines the tools and techniques central to developing your NEXTSTEP applications, such as debugging, Interface Builder, performance tuning, user interface issues, localization, and application validation. Speakers include both third-party and corporate developers who share their knowledge gained "in the trenches", developing popular and productive applications. These sessions are targeted for attendees who have intermediate or advanced NEXTSTEP programming proficiency. TRACK THREE SESSIONS: ** THE ZEN OF DEBUGGING ** Julie Zelenski, Lecturer, Stanford Univ. and Support Engineer, NeXT 11:30am - 12:30pm, Tuesday, May 25 3:15pm - 4:15pm, Tuesday, May 25 (Repeated session) Developer Conference Room 132 Need a new bag of tricks for debugging in the NEXTSTEP development environment? Or maybe you're just looking to fill out your current repertoire? In either case, you can learn something new in this challenging and informative session. ** VALIDATING NEXTSTEP APPLICATIONS AND OBJECTS ** Jim Walsh, Software Quality Manager, NeXT Kris Oosting, Manager, Objective Partners 2:00pm - 3:00pm, Tuesday, May 25 Developer Conference Room 131 It's been said "you can't control what you can't measure", and this holds true for object-oriented development. This session explores the theories of testing your NEXTSTEP applications and objects. ** GETTING MORE SPEED OUT OF YOUR APPLICATION ** Brian Pinkerton, Software Engineer, NeXT Trey Matteson, Manager, Application Kit Group, NeXT 10:45am - 11:45am, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 132 Reprising one of last year's most popular sessions, NeXT's engineers take a reasonably slow application and make it faster, before your very eyes. You'll see the steps you need to take to speed your applications' performance. ** INTRODUCTION TO NEXTSTEP PROGRAMMING ** Randy Nelson, Lead Developer Trainer, NeXT 10:45am - 11:45am, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 131 If you're just encountering the world of object-oriented programming, this overview of NEXTSTEP features and object technology is extremely useful for understanding context and vocabulary. This session is a must for technical evaluators of the platform. ** UI PERFORMANCE ** Bill Bumgarner, Software Artist, Stone Design Glenn Reid, President, RightBrain Software 1:15pm - 2:15pm, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 133 2:00pm - 3:00pm, Thursday, May 27 (repeated session) Developer Conference Room 133 Enhancing the performance of your application's UI can be crucial to users' success with the application. NEXTSTEP developers describe methods for increasing perceived performance and methods for decreasing actual drawing time. ** BUILDING BETTER NEXTSTEP APPLICATIONS ** Randy Nelson, Lead Developer Trainer, NeXT 1:15pm - 2:15pm, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 131 Proper use of NEXTSTEP significantly increases the power of your application; correspondingly, improper or partial use of NEXTSTEP can decrease your application's usability. An overview of specific topics--user interface, portability, localization, and important kit features--shows you how to build flexibility into your application. References to documentation and other resources are included. ** WRITING EXTENSIBLE APPLICATIONS ** Jeff Martin, Developer Support Engineer, NeXT 2:30pm - 3:30pm, Wednesday, May 26 10:15am - 11:15am, Thursday, May 27 (Repeated session) Developer Conference Room 132 This lecture explores techniques that add run-time flexibility to an application. Dynamic loading of objects adds much to the power of InterfaceBuilder as a development tool and is mainly responsible for the runaway success of BackSpace. Find out how to add dynamic loading to your application while increasing its efficiency and maintainability. ** CREATING INTERFACE BUILDER PALETTES ** Scott Ritchie, Developer Trainer, NeXT 3:45pm - 4:45pm, Wednesday, May 26 11:30am - 12:30pm, Thursday, May 27 (repeated session) Developer Conference Room 132 Using Interface Builder Palettes can add custom functionality to your interfaces, save development time, and generate valuable re-useable tools. One of NeXT's trainers explains how to build palettes that provide advanced functionality for many different sorts of objects. ** BUILDING REUSABLE OBJECTS ** Andrew Athan, Objective Technologies 10:15am - 11:15am, Thursday, May 27 Developer Conference Room 133 Well-rounded classes don't just happen: they require careful planning and design to become flexible and robust. This session reviews some of the issues that you should consider before writing your first line of code. The discussion includes licensing issues for objects. ** TRACK FOUR ** THEME: UNDER THE HOOD - OBJECTS AND NEXTSTEP FEATURES This track explores the detail level of object technology and specific NEXTSTEP features and kits. Topics include DataBase Kit, Indexing Kit, Driver Kit, Object Links, Help, and filter services. Familiarity with NEXTSTEP programming is recommended for attendees of the sessions. TRACK FOUR SESSIONS: ** GETTING STARTED WITH DATABASE KIT ** Scott Weiner, Developer Trainer, NeXT 11:30am - 12:30pm, Tuesday, May 25 3:15pm - 4:15pm, Tuesday, May 25 (Repeated session) Developer Conference Room 133 Learn the basics of NEXTSTEP's newest kit with one of NeXT's trainers. Step through the decisions involved with building a simple DataBase Kit application and see how DataBase Kit can help reduce time and effort in developing a client/server custom application. Time is provided for Q&A at the end of this session. ** REAL-WORLD DATABASE KIT APPLICATIONS ** Panel: Moderator: Jerry Goode, Systems Engineer, NeXT Bill Dudney, Pencom Jim Million, Systemhouse Ken Case, Omni Group 2:00pm - 3:00pm, Tuesday, May 25 Developer Conference Room 133 A panel of corporate developers and system integrators explain and discuss their real-world development experiences and describe how the DataBase Kit helped them resolve client/server computing issues. ** ADVANCED DATABASE KIT ISSUES ** Panel: Moderator: Leo Hourvitz, NeXT Van Simmons, VNP Software Mike Sanford, Pencom Alex Cone, Objective Technologies Jerry Goode, NeXT Mike Riggs, NeXT Tom Winans, Systemhouse 3:15pm - 4:15pm, Tuesday, May 25 Developer Conference Room 131 Aimed at engineers who have done some heavy duty programming with DataBase Kit. This session will be a Q&A formatPthis is the panel to which you should bring your tough DBKit questions! The panelists all have tips and tricks for getting the real work done. ** USING NEXTSTEP RELEASE 3 APPLICATION KIT FEATURES ** Ali Ozer, Software Engineer, NeXT 10:45am - 11:45am, Wednesday, May 26 12:45pm - 1:45pm, Thursday, May 27 (Repeated session) Developer Conference Room 133 This session reviews several NEXTSTEP Release 3 features, including dragging, Help, filter services, and using color. Use of these features is uncomplicated and can add considerably to the power and flexibility of your application (and the popularity with your users.) ** OBJECT LINKS IN DETAIL ** Trey Matteson, Manager, Application Kit Group, NeXT 1:15pm - 2:15pm, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 132 and 2:00pm - 3:00pm, Thursday, May 27 (Repeated session) Developer Conference Room 132 Take advantage of the power of object linking...the powerful mechanism that enables documents to share data dynamically. This session explains why and how you should incorporate Object Links into your application. ** PROGRAMMING WITH DISTRIBUTED OBJECTS ** Stephen Asbury, Developer Trainer, NeXT 2:30pm - 3:30pm, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 133 This presentation details the steps you need to take to build a client/server application using distributed objects, one of NEXTSTEP's most powerful tools. Discussion includes invalidation notification, threaded servers, and peer-to-peer architectures. ** WORKING WITH THE INDEXING KIT ** Kris Younger, System Engineer, NeXT 3:45pm - 4:45pm, Wednesday, May 26 Developer Conference Room 133 The Indexing Kit is a major feature of NEXTSTEP Release 3. The kit provides a framework for storing and managing data, analogous to the framework for user interaction provided by the Application Kit. This session describes the salient features of the Indexing Kit, including transaction-protected storage, building dictionaries and indexes with BTrees, and building flat-file databases that store Objective-C objects. ** DRIVERKIT FOR NEXTSTEP FOR INTEL PROCESSORS ** Flip Dibner, Developer Support Engineer, NeXT 11:30am - 12:30pm, Thursday, May 27 Developer Conference Room 130 A detailed presentation of device driver architecture under NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors. The session includes review of several DriverKit classes, design considerations, comparison with traditional Unix (tm) drivers, and Q & A. Previous knowledge of NEXTSTEP and Unix drivers will be valuable. _____________________________________________________________________ => NeXTWORLD EXPO USER CONFERENCE TRACKS & SESSIONS May 25 - 27, 1993 ** TRACK ONE ** THEME: ENTERPRISE COMPUTING The first stage of desktop computing in corporations was all about enhancing individual and departmental productivity. NEXTSTEP takes corporations to the second stage by advancing the mission of the enterprise. This conference track explores the issues in enterprise computing such as client/server architecture, rightsizing, operational productivity, custom application development, and heterogeneous networking. In every area, NEXTSTEP offers great opportunity for the next stage of corporate computing. TRACK ONE SESSIONS: ** WHY OBJECT-ORIENTED PROGRAMMING and NEXTSTEP ** Panel: Ted Shelton, IT Solutions Paul Murphy Mike Mahoney, CS Dept. Chair, Cal State University, Long Beach 2:00PM - 3:00PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 120 & 121 NEXTSTEP achieves its full power when applied in enterprise-wide systems for client/server functions. Discover how object-oriented programming techniques and client/server computing can bring immediate tangible benefits to organizations. ** RIGHTSIZING WITH NEXTSTEP ** Panel: Vidas Neverauskas, NeXT Computer Tom McLellan, Pencom Software Pete Farkas, Logicon Ultrasystems Roger Coates, Pan Canadian Petroleum Limited 12:45PM - 1:45PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 120 & 121 and (repeat) Vidas Neverauskas, NeXT Computer Marc Elvy, Marble Associates, Inc. Pete Farkas, Logicon Ultrasystems Roger Coates, Pan Canadian Petroleum Limited 12:00PM - 1:00PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 120 & 121 As businesses downsize monolithic mainframe applications to distributed client/server systems, they need object-oriented development tools that play in a standard networking environment. NEXTSTEP is an important piece of the rightsizing puzzle for corporate re-engineers. ** ENGINEERING CLIENT/SERVER SYSTEMS ** Panel: Brain Hobbs, Pencom Software Mike Adelson, Chrysler Financial Vimal Chowdury, Mt Clemens Hospital 4:30PM - 5:30PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 120 & 121 Talk of rightsizing is cheap. NEXTSTEP gets you started today. This panel of customers, integrators, and system engineers explores the nitty-gritty technical issues of using NEXTSTEP in a client/server architecture. ** DEVELOPING AND DEPLOYING CLIENT/SERVER CUSTOM APPLICATIONS ** Panel: Tim Griswold, Servare Business Systems Grant Hayashi, Trident Data Systems David Holtzman, Booz Allen & Hamilton 11:30AM - 12:30PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 120 & 121 and (repeat) Tim Griswold, Servare Business Systems Grant Hayashi, Trident Data Systems David Holtzman, Booz Allen & Hamilton 10:15AM - 11:15AM, Thursday, May 27 User Conference Room 120 & 121 NEXTSTEP's object-oriented development environment lets you bring new systems on-line in a fraction of the time needed with competitive products. That calls for a new approach to planning and implementing client/server custom applications. ** HOW NEXTSTEP FITS INTO YOUR HETEROGENEOUS CORPORATE NETWORK ** Panel: Katherine Jones, Data General Corp. Bill Young, Trident Data Systems Ray Bloom, Marble Associates, Inc. John Devitofaranceschi, Swiss Bank Corp. 1:15PM - 2:15PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 120 & 121 Virtually every enterprise today maintains a mixed environment of computer platforms and networks. NEXTSTEP's support of multiple networking standards allows users to easily mix and match computers with their existing information systems. ** CONNECTING THE ENTERPRISE: WANs, LANs. and ISDN ** Panel: Frank Ricotta, moderator Pierre Durand , NeXT Computer, Inc. Steve Benton, Trident Data Systems Bill Young, Trident Data Systems Mark Dadgar, William Morris Agency 2:30PM - 3:30PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 120 & 121 As business goes global, it isn't enough to interoperate in local networks at individual user sites. Here's how NEXTSTEP systems communicate with other computers in a world-wide distributed computing environment. ** MANAGING APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ** Panel: Charles Oei, NeXT - moderator Kris Oosting, Objective Partners Scott Abel, Pencom Software Nicholas Christopher, Systemhouse 3:45PM - 4:45PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 120 & 121 As NEXTSTEP speeds up the application development cycle, managers face new challenges in strategic and tactical planning. Here's what to expect in budgeting, staffing, managing, and phasing in your custom application projects. ** ISSUES IN SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION ** Panel: Simson Garfinkel, NeXTWORLD Timothy Reed, Black Market Technologies Anil Prasad, Wiltel Advanced Technology Group Alan Marcum, NeXT 11:30AM - 12:30PM, Thursday, May 27 User Conference Room 120 & 121 As NEXTSTEP proliferates in enterprise-wide information systems, the issues of network management and security become increasingly critical. System administrators explore the tools and techniques available for maintaining and securing corporate networks. ** TRACK TWO ** THEME: USING NEXTSTEP NEXTSTEP provides a user environment unlike any other operating system. To get maximum benefit from their systems, users need to know the intricacies of NEXTSTEP and third-party products. This track begins with critical information about running NEXTSTEP for Intel processors, and examines hot topics like portable computing, NEXTSTEP publishing, database management, and collaborative applications. Users can get hands-on help by attending sessions on NEXTSTEP tips and tricks, configuring systems for maximum power, and sources of training and support. TRACK TWO SESSIONS: ** INTRODUCTION TO NEXTSTEP for INTEL PROCESSORS ** Speaker: Jim Mynatt, NeXT 11:30AM - 12:30PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 123 &124 NeXT's software guru's take you on a tour of the leading object-oriented operating system for mainstream business computers. ** INTRODUCTION FOR INTEL PROCESSORS: Q&A ** -OR- ** NEXTSTEP PC: Issues and Answers ** Speaker: Bob Lawton, NeXT 12:45PM - 1:45PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 123 & 124 and (repeat) Speaker: Bob Lawton, NeXT 12:00PM - 1:00PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 123 & 124 NeXT and NEXTSTEP hardware partners answer questions on software deliverables. ** MANAGING DOCUMENTS ** Panel: Gregory Miller - Moderator, Inherent Software Jay Kilby Sam Van Vactor, Insight Software 11:30AM - 12:30PM, Thursday, May 27 User Conference Room 123 & 124 Whatever happened to the paperless office? It's alive and well in law firms and medical organization employing NEXTSTEP software for document storage and retrieval. ** READ ALL ABOUT IT: PUBLISHING WITH NEXTSTEP ** Panel: Rick Reynolds, Publish Magazine - Moderator John Budacovich, Data Place Computer Mark Astman, Linotype-Hell Lauren Flanagan, GoldLeaf 4:30PM - 5:30PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 123 & 124 NEXTSTEP's unified imaging model, powerful software tools, and workgroup connectivity are ideally suited for graphic design and electronic publishing. Experts explore the available tools for NEXTSTEP publishing, while early adopters describe their experiences. ** MANAGING YOUR DATA ** Panel: Dan Kehoe - Moderator, NeXTWORLD Rober Dyas, IP Design Alex Cone, Objective Technologies 2:00PM - 3:00PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 123 & 124 Database management isn't a task only for programmers and system designers. Here's everything you need to know as a user for specifying and designing database front ends, as well as for managing your individual records. ** TBA SESSION ** 3:15PM - 4:15PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 123 & 124 ** NEXTSTEP TIPS and TRICKS ** Panel: Lee Sherman - Moderator, NeXTWORLD Joe Barello, NeXTWORLD User Group Panelist User Group Panelist NEXTSTEP is so rich in capabilities that many users only scratch its surface. To get maximum benefit from NEXTSTEP, you need to know the shortcuts and hidden features available in the system. Power users show you how. ** CONNECTING TO THE WORLD ** Panel: Timothy Reed - Moderator Jim Opfer, RadioMail 3:45PM - 4:45PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 123 & 124 There is a wealth of information, free software, and just plain camaraderie available to NEXTSTEP users through the Internet and other information services. This session tells you how and where to plug in to the wonderful world of NEXTSTEP online. ** SUPPORT, SERVICE, AND TRAINING ** Panel: Jan Tyler - Moderator, NeXT Scott Abel, Pencom Software Vince Jordan, Systemhouse Tim Purkis, Bell Atlantic 2:30PM - 3:30PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 123 & 124 Get together with NeXT and NeXT training and service provider partners to hear about the new offerings in the area of support, service and training. ** WORKING TOGETHER WITH COLLABORATIVE SOFTWARE ** Panel: Stephan Adams - Moderator, Adamation Eric Wespestad, Swiss Bank Corporation Peter Park, Pangea Corporation 1:15PM - 2:15PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 123 & 124 Groupware is a computer-industry buzzword that is much discussed and little practiced. In the NEXTSTEP environment, users are taking advantage of applications designed for collaborative work. This panel reviews the available products and illustrates the power of workgroup computing. ** PORTABILITY AND NOTEBOOKS: ISSUES AND ANSWERS ** Panel: John Barlow - Moderator, NeXTWORLD Bob Lawton, NeXT 10:15AM - 11:15AM, Thursday, May 27 User Conference Room 123 & 124 Customers are interested in NEXTSTEP portable computing. But 486 notebooks are not the only option for users who need to take their data on the road. This session looks at strategies for extending your desktop environment to wherever you happen to be. ** TRACK THREE ** THEME: IN THE TRENCHES Customers in business, education, and government have taken great strides in applying NEXTSTEP to solving problems in their fundamental advantages for unifying the desktop, collaborative computing, document management, decision support, and application development. In this track, speakers representing customers in NeXT's key markets share their experiences. TRACK THREE SESSIONS: ** UNIFYING THE DESKTOP ** Panel: Jeff Kvam - Moderator, Swiss Bank Corporation Gregory Miller, Inherent Solutions 11:30AM - 12:30PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 122 The goal is no longer to have a computer on every desk, but to have only one computer on every desk. Users in financial services, law enforcement, and hospital administration describe how NEXTSTEP replaced diverse systems in a single workstation. ** END OF THE PARADOX: OPERATIONAL PRODUCTIVITY ** Panel: Sara Benson, NeXT Jeff Kvam, Swiss Bank Corporation John Schaffer, Brigham and Womens Hospital Jeff Rueben, University of Texas 12:45PM - 1:45PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 122 NEXTSTEP solves the enduring paradox of the information age: Organizations' investment in technology has not resulted in measurable productivity gains. NEXTSTEP changes the equation by focusing on operational productivity. ** ENTERPRISE WIDE DATA ACCESS ** Panel: Felix Lin - Moderator, NeXT Alex Henry, William Morris Agency Bill Dudney, Pencom Software Mark Richards, Alain Pinel 2:00PM - 3:00PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 122 ** ROLLUPS AND DRILLDOWNS: EXECUTIVE INFORMATION SYSTEMS ** Panel: Mark Thompsen, TRW P.K. M'Pherson, Information Delivery Ltd 10:15AM - 11:15PM, Thursday, May 27 User Conference Room 122 NEXTSTEP is ideal for applications that deliver live summary data and graphics to executives for decision support. Corporate and government users show how they did it. ** SUPPORT FOR STANDARDS ** Panel: Kris Younger, NeXT Bill Young , Trident Data Systems Dan Pederson, USC - ISI Neil Goodrich, Trident Data Systems 3:45PM - 4:45PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 122 ** CUSTOM APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT ** Panel: Dan McCeary, Integrity Solutions Gary Lynn, NeuroDimension Inc. Mike McFall, LOR/Geske Bock Associates Inc. Stephane Savard, Panon Telexpertise Inc. 2:30PM - 3:30PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 122 ** WHY NEXTSTEP -- CUSTOMER PERSPECTIVES ** Panel: Kris Younger, NeXT - Moderator Larry Bookstaver, USC - ISI Jim Traegar, TASC 4:30PM - 5:30PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 122 Choosing NEXTSTEP was once risky. This panel of NEXTSTEP customers in business, government, and education discuss their choice of NEXTSTEP systems and the payoff. ** SERVING YOUR CUSTOMERS ** Panel: John Trustman - Moderator, Fidelity Investments Randy Mosteller, Trident Data Systems Mike Adelson, Chrysler Financial 10:15AM - 11:15AM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 122 The greatest challenge in business today is providing timely and accurate service to customers. NEXTSTEP systems provide the informational framework for world-class customer service. Users from health care, financial services, and transportation show how they did it. ** ENTERPRISE TRANSFORMATION ** Panel: Dan Ruby - Moderator, NeXTWORLD Erique Rosado, Software Services & Solutions, Inc. Chris Cuilla, ITS Bernard D. Aboda, MailCom 1:15PM - 2:15PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 122 Technological change does not occur in a vacuum. Sometimes, the technology used can lead to structural and cultural changes in an organization. Panelists from law enforcement, telecommunications, and the energy business explore the positive effects of NEXTSTEP technology on organizational hierarchies, decision making, and customer relations. ** TRAINING FOR SUCCESS ** Panel: Jan Tyler - Moderator, NeXT Eric Wanger Don Winn, PanCanadianPetroleum Limited 12:00PM - 1:00PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 122 Training alternatives are critical to meeting the diverse needs of NEXTSTEP developers, users, and systems administrators. This panel includes representatives from NeXT's training consortium, NeXT instructors, and customers whose successes with NEXTSTEP have been accelerated by choosing the right training curriculum. ** CORPORATE IDENTITY ** Dan Ruby - Moderator, NeXTWORLD James Scouttar, Just Proportion Ltd. Victor Spindler, Pages Software 11:30AM - 12:30PM, Thursday, May 27 User Conference Room 122 ** TRACK FOUR ** THEME: HOT PRODUCTS The sizzle in the NEXTSTEP market is the varied software solutions offered in hotly contested application categories. In this track, developers demonstrate the best and newest tools for document creation, presentation, financial modeling, database management, business graphics, and software emulation. With this background, users will be better able to examine the strengths and weaknesses of the products shown on the exhibit floor. TRACK FOUR SESSIONS: ** DOCUMENT CREATION ** Panel: Rick Reynolds - Moderator, Publish Magazine Glenn Reid, RightBrain Software Bruce Webster, Pages WordPerfect Corp. 2:00PM - 3:00PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 125 The leading applications for creating business documents square off. Their different approaches to page layout and design provide good choices for every kind of NEXTSTEP user. This session provides an excellent opportunity to view, evaluate, and discuss the wide array of page layout applications available for NEXTSTEP. ** PRODUCTIVITY, NEXTSTEP STYLE ** Panel: Dan Lavin - Moderator, NeXTWORLD Julie Saffren, NeXT Joe Barello , NeXTWORLD 2:00PM - 3:00PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 125 In this session, developers discuss the feature and benefits of today's NEXTSTEP productivity applications and how they can be used most effectively. NEXTSTEP is home to innovative software products in virtually every productivity category. What's truly amazing is the way they all work together in an integrated user environment. ** INFORMATION MANAGERS ** Panel: Dan Ruby - Moderator, NeXTWORLD Scott Love, Millennium Andy Turk, Sarrus Karl Craft, Ensuing Technologies 3:45PM - 4:45PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 125 The last year has seen an explosion of products for managing personal and group information. These tools have allowed NEXTSTEP users to move even closer towards the goal of a true paperless office. Learn about the calendar, address books, and free-form databases that are on the vanguard of workgroup computing on NEXTSTEP. ** BETTER PRESENTATIONS ** Panel: Lee Sherman - Moderator, NeXTWORLD Jonathan Schwartz, Lighthouse Design, Ltd. David Gregory, Imagine Rand Schulman , Pages Software 4:30PM - 5:30PM, Tuesday, May 25 User Conference Room 125 Making presentations is among the most frequent tasks in business. Creating presentations using NEXTSTEP and available third-party applications has proven to be both easy and impactful. Here we look at the options for improving your delivery with visually appealing slides and interactive media. ** EMULATION AND CONNECTIVITY ** Panel: Joe Barello - Moderator, NeXTWORLD Mark Munford, Insignia Cliff Mathews, Abacus Olivia Favela , IPT Scott Opitz, Conextions 10:45PM - 11:45PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 125 NEXTSTEP is great, but sometimes you have to make concessions to the rest of the world. Whether you want to make your NEXTSTEP system behave like Windows, Macintosh, X, or a mainframe terminal, there is a third-party product for you. Developers in this session will review those products available in the future. ** GRAPHICS FOR BUSINESS ** Panel: Tony Bove, NeXTWORLD - Moderator Tony Renier, BlackSmith Andrew Stone, Stone Design Jonathan Schwartz, Lighthouse Design, Ltd. 12:00PM - 1:00PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 125 Illustration tools are not just for artists. NEXTSTEP offers some of the best applications on any platform for creating business charts, diagrams, and drawings. Whether you're looking for applications in the area of free-hand drawing, product planning and flowcharts, or presentation enhancement, this session is for you. ** MULTIMEDIA AND 3D ** Panel: Lee Sherman - Moderator, NeXTWORLD Jesper Lundh, Xanthus Glen Worstell, Thoughtul Software 11:30AM - 12:30PM, Thursday, May 27 User Conference Room 125 NEXTSTEP has always been a leader in the area of multimedia. Learn how NEXTSTEP's inclusion of RenderMan technology, strong multimedia authoring systems and tools for sound and music have set the stage for an explosion of software for 3D rendering, animation, and multimedia. ** DOCUMENT MANAGEMENT ** Panel: David Spitzler, NeXT Peter Ripp, Boss Logic Sam Van Vactor, Insight Robert Thibadeau, Visus 11:30AM - 12:30PM, Thursday, May 27 User Conference Room 123 & 124 NEXTSTEP's combination of strengths for scanning character recognition, imaging, and collaborative computing make it an ideal platform for document storage and retrieval. Developers demonstrate their solutions for the potentially huge but largely underutilized workstation application. ** SPREADSHEET AND MODELERS ** Panel: Dave Grady - Moderator, NeXT David Pollack, Athena Design Michael Steele, Axsys Chip Goodman, WhiteLight 2:30PM - 3:30PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 125 NEXTSTEP abounds in diverse solutions for financial modeling. Whether you need a traditional spreadsheet, multi-dimensional tool or sophisticated enterprise financial modeler, NEXTSTEP serves your needs with strong third-party products. Come see for yourself. ** GRAPHICS ARTS ** Panel: Rick Reynolds - Moderator, Publish Magazine Troy Whitsett, Altsys Lauren Flanagan, Goldleaf Randy Adams, Appsoft 10:15PM - 11:15PM, Thursday, May 27 User Conference Room 125 ** DATABASES ** Panel: Daniel Kehoe - Moderator, NeXTWORLD Bob Beth, Proponent Rober Dyas, IP Design Andrew Stone, Stone Design 1:15PM - 2:15PM, Wednesday, May 26 User Conference Room 125 ____________________________________________________________________ => NEXTSTEP PRODUCT EXHIBITION: PARTICIPATING COMPANIES May 25 - 27, 1993 Participating Companies: Abe Industry Artemis AEC Software ADAMATION Adobe Systems Inc. Alembic Systems International Ltd. Altsys Corporation Anderson Financial Systems ANDI Appsoft, Inc. Athena Design Axsys Bacchus, Inc. BenaTong BenchBuilt Software Co. benchMark Development, Inc. Black & White Software Blacksmith Blue Rose Systems Booz-Allen & Hamilton Canon Ciusa, Inc. Compaq Computer Corp. Conextions Cube Information Systems Cub'X Systems Data General Corp. Dell Computer Detective Tools Corp. Digital Compostition Systems, Inc. Distributed Processing Technology eCesys Epson Firstsoft, Inc. / DBSA. Inc. Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. Goldleaf Systems Harvard Tool Works Hewlett-Packard Company Highland Digital HSD Microcomputer Hypersight, Inc. i-link, GmbH Imagine Multimedia, Inc. Impact Multimedia, Inc. INSIGHT Software Insignia Solutions, Inc. Intel Corporation Jana Publishing Lighthouse Design, Ltd. Logicon Ultasystems Inc. LogicStream Memory International, Inc. Metrosoft Millennium Software Labs, Inc. MRJ, Inc. NEC Technologies Inc. Network Expressn Inc. NeXT, Inc. NeXTWORLD Magazine Northstar Technologies Inc. nPoint Objective Technologies, Inc. ONyX Systems, Inc. Pages Software, Inc. Paget Press Pangea Corporation PARABASE Pencom Perennial Software Pinnacle Research, Inc. Professional Software, Inc. RDR, Inc. Ridgeback Solutions RightBrain Software, Inc. SMC Sarrus Software, Inc. Schema Research Corp. Second Glance Software Sirius Solutions, Inc. Skylee Press SofDesign Software Ventures Step 2 Software, Inc. Stone Design Systemhouse Inc. (Object Technology Center) Systemix Software, Inc. TMS GmbH Tecor, Inc. Telos / Springer-Verlag Thoughtful Software Toshiba Trident Data Systems Trirex Systems Vertex Software Watershed Technologies Wolfram Research, Inc. WordPerfect Corporation Yrrid Incorporated ...and more ____________________________________________________________________ => NeXT USER GROUP PROGRAM AGENDA User Group Keynote Thursday, May 27 9:00 am - 11:00 am Steve Jobs: 486--An Explosion of Users Under NeXT's Big Tent Steve Jobs headlines this exciting kickoff to today's activities. The number of NEXTSTEP users in the world doubled last year. With the advent of NEXTSTEP for Intel processors, we anticipate a tremendous explosion of new users and user group members using both black and white hardware. How do we serve this dynamic new population and tap into their talents? Ideas for 1993 and beyond will be discussed. Also during this session, NeXT will present its "Golden Nugget Awards" for special contributions by user groups during the past year. ** USER GROUP PROGRAM: LEADERSHIP TRACK ** Thursday, May 27 11:00am - 12:00pm -Leadership and Organizing Ideas Panel chair: BANG (Bay Area NEXTSTEP User Group) 1:00pm - 2:00pm -Working with NeXT, 3rd Party Vendors, and Resellers Panel co-chairs: KYNUG (Kentucky NEXTSTEP User Group) PSNUG (Puget Sound NEXTSTEP User Group) 2:00pm - 3:00pm -Attracting and Keeping Volunteers and Officers Panel chair: UKNUG (United Kingdom NEXTSTEP User Group) 3:00pm - 4:00pm -Fundraising Panel chair: NoIR - NEXTSTEP Organization International ____________________________________________________________________ ** USER GROUP PROGRAM: MEMBERSHIP SERVICES TRACK ** Thursday, May 27 11:00am - 12:00pm -Training Panel co-chairs: SCaN (Southern California area NEXTSTEP User Group) hAng (Houston area NEXTSTEP User Group) Scott Weiner, NeXT Training department 1:00pm - 2:00pm -Planning and conducting a successful meeting Panel chair: BCS-NeXT (Boston Computer Society NEXTSTEP Group) 2:00pm - 3:00pm -Newsletters Panel chair: rmNUG (Rocky Mountain NEXTSTEP User Group) 3:00pm - 4:00pm -Getting your members on the worldwide net Panel co-chairs: GUN (Gotham Users of NEXTSTEP, New York City) Madison, Wisconsin NEXTSTEP User Group ____________________________________________________________________ => TUTORIALS AND BOF MEETINGS Hands-On NEXTSTEP Tutorials If you're new to NEXTSTEP, this is your chance to learn the basics...and if you're a seasoned developer, you can sign-up to spend some time with an expert on the subject of your choice. Extending from the show floor, the NEXTSTEP hands-on tutorial area sponsored by Dell Computer, provides instructions and mini-sessions for both end users and developers. User Tutorials are scheduled throughout the three days of the Expo to introduce new users to NEXTSTEP and to provide guidance on navigating the workspace, working with applications, and using NEXTSTEP features. Developer Tutorials provide two learning opportunities: hands-on instruction in "boot camp" issues as well as one-on-one time with a NeXT expert on specific development topics. Birds-of-a-Feather Meetings Developers can conduct a limited number of Birds-of-a-Feather get-togethers on Wednesday evening, May 26, 5:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Room reservations are available on a first-come, first-served basis. Email BOF@NeXT.com to reserve a room for your special interest group. Please include your coordinator's name, an email address, and an abstract of the session. 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The standards are at the application level (OPNAddressBook, OPNCalendar, OPNMail, OPNSpreadsheet, OPNGraph, OPNDevelopmentTools) and are vendor independent, thus guaranteeing an open market for implementations. We will discuss the charter for the organization. 6:00 - 7:00 pm: Developer Conference Room 131 Sound, Music and DSP standards for NeXTSTEP/Intel Organizer: Michael McNabb, Software Consulting The original NeXT computers were embraced by a large community of computer music and digital audio artists, researchers, and developers. The machine's greatest appeal was that it provided a common platform with a powerful minimum set of standard hardware and software features, allowing a much greater exchange of work and ideas than in the past. NeXT's move to Intel hardware presents a great challenge to this community. PC audio and music hardware standards do not really exist, and NeXT itself will only be supporting a reduced set of software standards. The community must now define its own set of standards and supported hardware in order to preserve existing capabilities, encourage development, and maintain interchangeability. This session will include brief presentations from various perspectives by members of the NeXT audio and DSP community, and a face to face discussion of these issues. 6:00 - 7:00 pm: Developer Conference Room 132 NeXT Means Business: How Can Developers Sell More? Organizer: Peggy Thompson, Paget Press How can developers better reach the customer bases looking for NeXT products? How can we work together more efficiently? Developers can share success stories on how to get visibility for their products. 6:00 - 7:00 pm: Developer Conference Room 133 IndexingKit SIG Organizer: Jack Greenfield, NeXT Have you built an interesting data structure with IXBTree? Are you wondering how to store a graph of objects in IXRecordManager? The Indexing Kit BOF will provide an informal setting for the exchange of tips and tidbits relating to the Indexing Kit. IXKit developers from around the NeXT community will be in attendance, and IXKit author Jack Greenfield will be on hand to share techniques, and to answer your questions. Developers familiar with IXKit are encouraged to come and share their experiences. Developers thinking about using IXKit are encouraged to come and learn how the IXKit can help them with their application. 6:00 - 7:00 pm: Developer Conference Room 120 Virtuoso SIG Organizer: Troy Whitsett, Altsys The session will feature a few advanced guest designers to lead in a discussion of the different solutions that Virtuoso provides to NeXTSTEP users. Each designer will discuss a different solution for Virtuoso and NeXTSTEP, including: Business graphics - presentations, corporate identity pieces, business cards, annual reports, etc.; Graphic design - creating infographics, logos, special effects, product packaging, posters, etc.; Page layout - Working with text, bringing files together into large documents, creating newsletters, brochures, etc. This will be an open discussion for users to openly discuss and share information and techniques for using Virtuoso in their work. It will also enable potential and advanced users of Virtuoso to learn new tips and tricks. Door prizes will be awarded as well. 6:00 - 7:00 pm: Developer Conference Room 122 NeXT in Law Organizer: Gregory Miller, Inherent Technologies, Inc. This is the annual meeting for the NeXT-in-Law User Group, JuriNUG. While JuriNUG convenes at other American Bar Association functions, this meeting is a chance for anyone and everyone interested in the use of NEXTSEP in the legal profession to gather and exchange ideas, discuss issues, and learn about this rapidly developing vertical market. The meeting is open to anyone, not just legal professionals interested in learning about the legal computing market. If you have specific questions or have a particular item for an agenda, please contact Greg Miller at 503-224-6751 or gregory_miller@inherent.techlaw.com. 6:00 - 7:00 pm: Developer Conference Room 123 Custom Applications Developed with Objective DB Toolkit Organizer: Valerie Birk, Logibec The all new Objective DB Toolkit version 3 offers developers 4GL capability with a script language that puts the development of custom applications within the reach of any developer. The Toolkit also offers an extensive choice of field templates, the possibility to overlay views without the use of Objective C code. The Objective DB Toolkit development environment is built on top of NeXT's Database Kit which provides adaptors to Sybase and Oracle for fast development of mission critical client/server applications. 7:00 - 8:00 pm: Developer Conference Room 130 (OPN continued) Incrementally Creating Apps at Run-time (The Other Half of Interface Builder) Organizer: Charles L. Perkins Many early NeXTSTEP developers were excited by the promise of programming entirely within Interface Builder, creating a fully interpretive, rapid prototyping environment with loadable palettes of objects. Despite 3.0 additions, I.B. does not provide that environment. The "other half" of I.B. must provide glue to link arbitrary objects and NIB files together at run-time, and must allow a rich set of possible connections between them without constraining the meaning of those connections. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: plenson@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Noisy Hard Drive Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 18:25:06 GMT Message-ID: <1993May4.182506.16954@julian.uwo.ca> References: <1s28ugINN869@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) In article <1s28ugINN869@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu (Rob Snyder) writes: > Howdy all, I've just got a quick question. I have a Mono Slab, > with a Quantum 200 meg HD. It's generally real quiet. However every once > and a while it starts making a terrible racket. Racket (which I would > think would be comming from the bearings) lasts a few mins then goes away. > The computer is on 24 hours a day. I was wondering if there was some way > I could open it up and get the dust out, lube the bearings, or whatever if > the culprit is something else. Should I have someone else do it. Any > thoughts would be appreciated, along with any similar experences. Thanks > a lot! > > Rob. > -- > *--------------------------------------------------* > * Rob Snyder. /\/e><T Mail accepted * > * 'rob@spectre.test.rose-hulman.edu' * > * 'snyderre@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu' * > * (812)877-8721 * > *--------------------------------------------------* I had a similar experience recently, and it certainly was not a cleanup done by a cron job. If anyone figures it out please post it to the net. peter
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting Message-ID: <1216@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 4 May 93 18:40:22 GMT References: <SCOTT.93May3114929@nic.gac.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Scott Hess writes > In article <C6AzD3.1yD@news2.cis.umn.edu>, > benk@ie1next.me.umn.edu (Benjamin Koo) writes: > >Can anybody tell me how to erase swapfile without rebooting? > > Assuming you wish your computer to keep running after the operation, > you can't. I've had some success with the following method. The reason the swapfile won't shrink is usually that some process grabbed a chunk of memory way up high in the swap file, so it can't contract. It won't shrink the "middle", only the "end". So you have to find a moment when no process is using any of the memory at the high end of the swap file. On the assumption that you started most of the processes on the system (and that they are descended from the WorkSpace), one technique that has worked occasionally for me is to wait until the system is relatively quiet, then suddenly log out, and log in as "exit", which also quits out of the WindowServer. I have managed to reclaim a lot of memory that way, although it's not consistent. Of course, by the time you do that, you might as well reboot, except that sometimes there are things going on (say on the network) that you don't want to interrupt. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: odd timing in a production run -- some resolutions Message-ID: <1217@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 4 May 93 18:44:37 GMT References: <1993May3.160604.21864@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Dick Silbar writes > OK, to make production runs efficient, all I have to do is turn off my > screensaver. Note that what was implied (but not stated) in my original > posting is that I started the production run from a Terminal window > command line WHILE LOGGED IN AT THE CONSOLE. And then locked up and went > home, leaving the thing to run. The idea of continuing to proceed in this > manner bothered me for two reasons: the monitor screen might get burned > in, and there are a few hundred keys out there that can open my office > door and get to my keyboard and mouse. So, is there a better way to do > production? > Stung by yet another screensaver! And, one that I > want to keep on the system. We have a screen saver called LockScreen that is designed for this kind of thing. People often ask us why we market a screen saver when there are free ones available, and you have just posted the answer to that question. LockScreen is deliberately light-weight, and will barely disturb the processor. It's not as whizzy as some Backspace modules and things like that, but it locks the screen tight with password locking if you like, has several entertaining (words from the dictionary) and useful (your own message, or current time, which I use most often) modes. We leave LockScreen running on all our machines 24 hours a day, and it doesn't bother compiles or anything else. Send mail to "info@rightbrain.com" for further information. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kaw4t@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Kent Watsen) Subject: Pencil Me In Message-ID: <C6It8L.4tA@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 21:05:08 GMT I have recently heard of a product called "Pencil Me In," which is a sort a day organizer. Has anybody used this software? Is it worth ~$300. Is there a demo available? Are there any other packages which are similar? I looking for something that not only acts as a sort of electronic calender, capable of maintain weekly schedules but also serving as a database of things I have done in the past. Suggestions? Kent@virginia.edu
From: t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Noisy Hard Drive Message-ID: <2267@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: 4 May 93 21:04:27 GMT References: <1s28ugINN869@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <1993May4.182506.16954@julian.uwo.ca> Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). I have a similar rattling every once and a while on my Quantum 105 on a different computer (ST). It correlates with hot, humid weather. The only solution I know is to seek to the end of the disk, which makes it quiet again. This is of course easier under TOS than Mach... Hope this helps, Geert Jan van Oldenborgh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Jam - Minimalist Screen Saver on archive (was Re: odd timing in a production run -- some resolutions) Message-ID: <C6Iz23.Cv3@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <1993May3.160604.21864@newshost.lanl.gov> <1217@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 23:10:50 GMT In article <1217@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >People often ask us why we market a screen saver when there are free >ones available, and you have just posted the answer to that question. > >LockScreen is deliberately light-weight, and will barely disturb >the processor. It's not as whizzy as some Backspace modules and things For the minimalists out there, I just put my screensaver, Jam, on orst and sonata in submissions. It's sole purpose is to prevent burn-in and be as unobtrusive on the machine as possible. la la la, -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com ::
From: neuss@wildturkey.igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: TeX installation --- help needed Message-ID: <1985@igd.fhg.de> Date: 4 May 93 23:17:25 GMT References: <GISLI.93Apr29113259@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Sender: news@igd.fhg.de In article <GISLI.93Apr29113259@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) writes: > >>>>> In article <1993Apr28.183428.929@leland.Stanford.EDU>, magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes: > > > I need some information about the installation of TeX. > > ... > > we want to install TeX on one machine in the network, but we don't > > know how to manage this. [munch] > You can also install TeX on all machines but remote mount > /NextLibrary/Fonts/TeXfonts which contains a large chunk of TeX (mine > is 13.5 Megs). Don't remote mount all of /NextLibrary/Fonts or > you'll have problems. Duh.. I feel stupid.. I thought about posting the solution that I have chosen, but I thought it was too difficult, since it required mounting a /usr subdirectory. But gisli is right.. the fonts eat up most of the space.. this is the way to go folx! You'll probably simply want to mount /NextLibrary remotely. Hi bbum.. Peace, Chris /* * Christian Neuss % neuss@igd.fhg.de % ..in the humdrum */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rainer@ruble.fml.tuwien.ac.at (Rainer Staringer) Subject: Re: odd timing in a production run -- some resolutions Message-ID: <1993May5.074907.2818@email.tuwien.ac.at> Sender: news@email.tuwien.ac.at Organization: Technical University of Vienna References: <1993May3.160604.21864@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 07:49:07 GMT In article <1993May3.160604.21864@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: > In article <1993Apr29.155020.6171@newshost.lanl.gov> posted last week I > wrote: > > > > Yesterday afternoon just before going home I started a long > production > > run of a straight C program that solves an integral equation for > > scattering amplitudes at a given energy, but repeated for twenty > different > > energies. The amount of computation is, I believe, fixed, i.e., > > independent of the energy parameter. At the start of the program and > > after the completion of each energy calculation I print out the time of > > day, which this morning I find to be > > [munch] > > I went on to describe how, at first, it was costing me about 10 minutes > per energy (actually, 9:42), then it inexplicably jumped to 45 minutes per > energy, and then, after killing Engage!, dropped back to 10 minutes. The > problem was that Engage! was putting up the "shooting stars" (aka Space) > screensaver, and all that drawing was indeed hogging much of the CPU. If your program is strictly command line oriented, type 'console' in the user name field of the login window and hit return. You can then log in on a text-based console, without the window server, workspace manager or any screen savers running. Just turn the monitor brightness down before you leave... :-) This should give you the optimum compute performance you can get out of a NeXT. When you log out of the console screen next morning, the window server and the loginwindow program will be restarted automatically. Rainer -- Rainer Staringer | rainer@fml.tuwien.ac.at Financial Markets Lab, TU Vienna | +43 (1) 58801/8138
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dgursky@nextsrv1.andi.org (David M. Gursky) Subject: Tying into the network Message-ID: <C6IwzF.FEt@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 22:26:02 GMT We're having a couple problems at my office that I wanted to through out to the net for suggestions. The first is that we are coming into the Internet through the good graces of ANDI and a SLIP connection. The problem is that from our local NeXT, we cannot get out beyond ANDI. In other words, if I try to establish an ftp session to sonata.cc.purdue.edu from my local machine, the connection eventually times out. If I telnet up to nextsrv1.andi.org first, and then from nextsrv1.andi.org create the ftp session to sonata, I can reach sonata from nextsrv1 with no problems. The second problem we are working on is we now have a second NeXT here and we want to create a small domain (using NetInfo) between them. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to do this without disrupting ANDI and allowing the new machine to access the Internet through the SLIP connection?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garrett@nugget.rmnug.org (Garrett Rice) Subject: Re: Noisy Hard Drive Message-ID: <1993May5.063700.531@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: garrett@nugget.rmNUG.ORG (Garrett Rice) Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <2267@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 06:37:00 GMT In article <2267@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) writes: > > I have a similar rattling every once and a while on my Quantum 105 on a > different computer (ST). It correlates with hot, humid weather. The only > solution I know is to seek to the end of the disk, which makes it quiet again. > This is of course easier under TOS than Mach... > > Hope this helps, > Geert Jan van Oldenborgh I had understood that whining disks (and my Quantum 200mb does it too, every couple weeks) was the result of a static charge build-up in the harddrive. When this build-up occurs, the hard drive burns if off. Hence the noise. ...Or is this just an old wives tale? Garrett Rice Renaissance Software, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting Message-ID: <MAX.93May4154515@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> From: max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) Date: 4 May 93 15:45:15 References: <1993May3.185251.15794@seer.demon.co.uk> Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, MN <1993May4.054811.6162@leland.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: Max Hailperin <max@nic.gac.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kolmogorov.gac.edu In-reply-to: rick@indeed.stanford.edu's message of Tue, 4 May 93 05:48:11 GMT In article <1993May4.054811.6162@leland.Stanford.EDU> rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) writes: ... Actually as far as I can tell the hiwat is completely ignored, I have two swap files set up: indeed> more /etc/swaptab # # /etc/swaptab # #/Userdisk/private/swapfile lowat=20971520 hiwat=41943040 #/private/vm/swapfile lowat=5024288 hiwat=41943040 #5 Meg low water mark #40 Meg high water mark /Userdisk/private/vm/swapfile lowat=5024288 hiwat=41943040 prefer /private/vm/swapfile lowat=524288 hiwat=10048580 ... My secondary swap file hasn't enlarged (or even changed since I set it up!). I think what it boils down to is that hiwat is meaningless (or at least it is under 3.0, but I bet that it won't be changed in 3.1). If you want to shrink the swapfile then it's /etc/reboot.... I certainly hope that the swapfile handling is smart enough to use that second swapfile if I filled up the primary drive... Has anyone actually had a second swapfile swap? The second swapfiles on our machines here get swapped to whenever the prefered swapfiles hit their hiwat. The trick is, we actually followed the syntax for multpile options in swaptab. If you look at the man page, it says An entry for a paging file consists of a line of the follow- ing form: file [option[,option]...] [# comment] In other words, the options have to be seperated by commas, with no space. So your swaptab should be /Userdisk/private/vm/swapfile lowat=5024288,hiwat=41943040,prefer /private/vm/swapfile lowat=524288,hiwat=10048580 If you make this change, I bet it'll start working.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Subject: Re: chopped corner of a color well Message-ID: <C6J5BF.pG@ensuing.com> Sender: karl@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Organization: Ensuing Technologies Inc. References: <C6GvM5.86x@ms.uky.edu> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 01:26:02 GMT In article <C6GvM5.86x@ms.uky.edu> kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu writes: >Does anyone know why the color in a color well will sometimes have a snipped >upper right corner? > >I reported this as a bug back in 3.0 pre-release but its still not fixed in 3.1 > Probably wasn't fixed because it's not a bug. A color well with a NX_DKGRAY border indicates that the color is a calibrated named pantone color. A color well with the fold in the upper right indicates that the color is a calibrated RGB color. I'm not a color guru, so don't blame me if I got the explanation wrong. -- _________ Karl Kraft Karl Kraft@ensuing.com (NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) Subject: Ottawa NeXT User Group Meeting on May 13th Message-ID: <1993May5.151923.24227@bmers95.bnr.ca> Sender: usenet@bmers95.bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Distribution: na Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 15:19:23 GMT Ottawa NeXT User Group Meeting on Thursday May 13th --------------------------------------------------- Note: There is conflict with a show here in Ottawa on May 6th, so the meeting is moved to May 13th. Place: computerActive 112-21 Antares Dr., Nepean, Ontario (613) 225-4824 Time: 7:00pm Topic: NEXTSTEP for Intel Processor and discussion on NS 3.1 Come see the industry's leading object-oriented operating system software for client/server application development on PCs. Check out the compatibility guide. Rumors and extra Please contact me for more info. Hayward email: hlam@bnr.ca --------------------------------------------------------- Hayward Lam email:hlam@bnr.ca People have a way of becoming what you encourage them to be, not what you nag them to be. by Scudder Parker ---------------------------------------------------------
From: zhao@nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: PC for NS486 Date: 5 May 93 09:47:38 Organization: Computing Research Lab Message-ID: <ZHAO.93May5094738@pylos.nmsu.edu> Hello, Netters: I am planning to buy a new PC-486 for running NeXTSTEP-486 and WINDOWS, sometimes you have to :-(. I want to find out what is the requirement for a 486 to run NS nicely. I have the specification sheet of NEC Image 466 in front of me. It has CPU: intel 486 DX2 66MHz BUS: ISA/16-bit RAM: 16MB SIMM upgrade kit (optional) Cache: 8KB integrated, 256KB 20ns SRAM module (optional) ROM: 128KB flash memory Image Video: 32-bit local bus video operating at 33MHz graphics accelerator(BitBLT), 24-bit true color RAMDAC, with 1MB of video memory Image Sync: automatically synchronized to the optimum verticle refresh rate of MultiSync FG series monitors OptiBus: maximized I/O throughout utilizing NEC fast bus and block mode PIO technology Integrated SCSI: integrated SCSI host adapter providing connectivity for a wide range of SCSI devices Network Ready: 16-bit Bus mastering 10BaseT Ethernet adapter with dedicated connector and port HDD: Third height(1") 3.5" IDE; 340 MB 13ms FDD: 3.5" 1.44MB Drive Bays: two 5.25" front accessible slots two 3.5" internal hard drive bays Option Slots: four 8/16-bit ISA Interface: two serial(RS-232C), one parallel, VGA disply Power Supply: 110 watt I hope this is enough for NS486. Oh, yap, probably, I need something for audio. What is your suggestion? Regards, ZiZi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Is there a comp.sys.next.bugs? How'd I miss it? Message-ID: <1993May5.140809.8484@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 14:08:09 GMT I was looking through the master news groups file last night, and it contains a reference to comp.sys.next.bugs. Is that a real group? And if so, how'd I miss it? -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History, despite its wrenching pain, Commander-in-Chief | Cannot be unlived, but if faced Anderson Financial Systems | With courage, need not be lived again." greg@afs.com (Nextmail OK) | -- Maya Angelou, "On the Pulse of Morning"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.Virginia.EDU (David Meyer) Subject: Re: Getting crontab.local to work; also rgrep Message-ID: <C6KFpp.9Fx@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <14401@news.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 18:08:12 GMT In article <14401@news.duke.edu> blake015@galadriel (Denise Blakeley) writes: > Hi all-- > > I'm trying to set up a crontab.local (there wasn't one already) to mail me a > weekly reminder to do my status report. The file looks like this: > > * * * * * 1 root echo "Time to do status report" | mail > blake015@mc.duke.edu Two suggestions. First, do this in the weekly script /usr/adm/weekly, which gets run once a week. Second, if you still want to do it in crontab.local, try * * * * * 1 root /bin/echo "..." | /bin/mail blake015@... As far as I know, there is absolutely no PATH set by cron, so echo may have been choking, and mail almost certainly was. This is why I usually write a little shell script for cron jobs, and just call the script from crontab.local (this is exactly what /usr/adm/{daily,weely,monthly} do. Dave -- David M. Meyer Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu University of Virginia NeXTmail ok
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting crontab.local to work; also rgrep Message-ID: <35412@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 5 May 93 19:14:02 GMT References: <14401@news.duke.edu> <C6KFpp.9Fx@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD In comp.sys.next.misc, dmm0t@rincewind.mech.Virginia.EDU (David Meyer) writes: >Second, if you still want to do it in crontab.local, try >* * * * * 1 root /bin/echo "..." | /bin/mail blake015@... Watch out. The above will send the mail once a minute, ever minute, for the entire day. Try something like: 0 12 * * * 1 root /bin/echo "..." | /bin/mail blake015@... which will mail it to you at noon on Monday. Curt Welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp) Subject: Re: Getting crontab.local to work; also rgrep References: <14401@news.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 19:33:25 GMT Organization: The home of the Pilhuhn Message-ID: <C6KJnq.C1@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org> blake015@galadriel (Denise Blakeley) writes: >I'm trying to set up a crontab.local ( >* * * * * 1 root echo "Time to do status report" | mail foo@bar ^ There is one star to much, so not root ist sending a mail on sunday, but the User with the pid 1 is executing the command 'root' with the parameter ' echo ....' every second. >do something silly like reboot before it'll take effect, or is there something No. Changes take effect immediateley after saving the file. -- Heiko W.Rupp Gerwigstr.5 D-7500 (76131) Karlsruhe +49 721 693642 Alex Haley was adopted!
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Getting crontab.local to work; also rgrep Message-ID: <35428@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 5 May 93 21:39:58 GMT References: <14401@news.duke.edu> <35412@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD I wrote: >Watch out. The above will send the mail once a minute, ever minute, for >the entire day. Try something like: > >0 12 * * * 1 root /bin/echo "..." | /bin/mail blake015@... As the other guy pointed out, I too have one too many stars in the line! Try: 0 12 * * 1 root /bin/echo "..." | /bin/mail blake015@... Curt
Control: cancel <C6KFpp.9Fx@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu (David Meyer) Subject: cmsg cancel <C6KFpp.9Fx@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Message-ID: <C6Kqw8.DHs@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <14401@news.duke.edu> <C6KFpp.9Fx@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 22:09:44 GMT <C6KFpp.9Fx@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> was cancelled from within trn. -- David M. Meyer Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering dmm0t@rincewind.mech.virginia.edu University of Virginia NeXTmail ok
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT does L.A. - a review [long] Date: 5 May 1993 22:25:24 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1s9eskINN1jl@gap.caltech.edu> Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Distribution: world NeXT's road show arrived in Los Angeles on Tuesday, May 4th. There were well over a hundred people in the Bonaventure Hotel for the evening discussion, and I don't know how many more at the "Executive Briefing" (for CEOs and such) that afternoon. Steve Jobs and Bob Longo (the new VP of North American sales) weren't there for the evening, but Ron Weissman, Brett Bachman, Erna Arnessen, and a half-dozen national and regional NeXT staff were. There was also a lovely NEC NS'486 portable. First let me summarize the interesting news, and then I will give my impressions and commentary. Most of the points were covered very well by Tom Narawa from the Chicago meeting, so I won't repeat items he mentioned, but try to focus on new ones. **NEWS** (in no particular order) Release 3.1 and beyond: == 3.1 for both Black and White hardware has gone to be mastered. == NeXT wants people to upgrade to 3.0 before buying 3.1, which is why the price differential is so high. In fact, you can buy both simultaneously, even after Expo! == They are unbundling AppleTalk and PhoneKit from NeXTSTEP 3.1. They're giving them to 3rd parties who can do them better and faster. == There will be a richer architecture to support electronic mail and other "groupware" type activities - sometime in 1994. == No plans to move to Mach 3.0 or the GNU Hurd. == NO support for multi-media synchronization (a la QuickTime) in 1993. Hardware: == Compaq signed a deal with NeXT. However, neither they nor HP will "pre-load" NEXTSTEP due to policy (they don't pre-load Windows, either). == They are seriously into "Intel architecture" (leaving the window open for any "true '486" clones :-). They hope to have at least one RISC port ("it won't be SPARC"), but refused to say when. They are looking at multi-processor Pentiums for the high-end desktop. == Canon will produce a PowerPC machine, but it may or may not run NEXTSTEP. == Will have drivers for 32-bit color as soon as they get cards for them. Already have 8-bit greyscale available - "Ansel Adams quality." Cheap video cards will have driver support. == 125 systems will be guaranteed to work in 3.1, a thousand or so by 3.2. More will work, but it is impossible to try everything. The number will always be less than for Windows. == It takes a week with DriverKit to write a driver, instead of a month. Business: == There will be *sustained*, "in-your-face" marketing. Still narrow focus, though - no Egghead or Bud Bowl-type targeting. == Business goals (for reasonable profit) include 25K units this year, 100K in '94, and installed base of 500K in a few years. Sales goals are substantially higher, but not finalized (due to the new VP). == Education pricing almost finalized. Will be "very aggressive," available from campus bookstores, can't be used for commercial work. == Evaluation Kits (both User and Developer) will be available cheaply. Ports/Emulation/Connectivity == There will be products to run your Distributed Objects on other, non-NeXT systems, and gateways to support DCE, CORBA and other types of LAN/WAN connectivity. Probably in beta this year, deployed in 1994. == Executor (Mac emulation) will be ported to NS '486, though maybe not by May. NeXT is still trying to get Improv and Frame ported, but both companies are busy on other things so NeXT is having a hard time getting "management cycles". == SoftPC 60-day demo will be in 3.2, NOT in 3.1 == Small or low-end ports (Mac, Amiga, MicroChannel) are right out, although Nintendo was jokingly suggested, since it has so much marketshare. Commentary and Impressions: NeXT In Transition Everybody knows NeXT has been in the midst of a massive transition. The funny part is that the -important- transition is NOT the one from Hardware to Software. Rather, it is the transition of a company from childhood to adulthood - corporate puberty, so to speak. The NeXT packet had an open letter by Geoffrey Moore (whose book, "Crossing the Chasm" is about this very topic) explaining how NeXT was making the change from "early adopters and visionaries" to "mainstream acceptance and pragmatists." It was clear that Geoffrey's thinking shaped the entire event: presenting multiple managers rather than "the Big Man," the attempt to console old-timers while emphasizing the future, the focus on what makes "business sense" rather than what would be "technically cool", aiming slightly above and to the right of Microsoft, etc. Ron Weissman [Corporate Marketing] acted as MC, and seemed to be having a great time. He essentially made the pitch that NeXT would employ a "both/and" strategy - leading with the new, but maintaining the old. For example, pushing Mission-Critical development first, but following through with a great desktop environment with awesome 3rd party apps. Again, focusing on corporate work to pay the bills, but still seeding HigherEd with "cheap" copies to maintain a long-term university presence. Similarly, pushing Intel in a big way, but providing support for people selling and servicing black hardware. Brett Bachman [Product Marketing] was the voice of reason and pragmatism (sounded kinda like PVC, for some reason :-). He emphasized all the "nuts-and-bolts" stuff about quality assurance, product targeting, business goals, and so forth. It was a sign that NeXT was maturing, and created a feeling of reassurance on one level (the guy obviously know's his stuff), but it also signaled the end of NeXT's "skies the limit" dream-machine status. Kind of like deciding to buy a Volvo instead of a Maserati: you feel responsible but deflated. Erna Arnessan [Product Marketing] was distinguished primarily by the fact that she wore purple, instead of black like everyone else. Ron said her job was to teach NeXT marketing a new word, 'sustained', which earned him a round of applause. Again, she seems to know what she's doing, and it sounds like she'll have plenty of money to play with (right know they're waiting until they have a product). However, she's going neither for the Joe Schmoe DOS market nor the Joe Weenie Unix market, but the Joe CEO and Joe developer downsizing market (at least for the next couple of years). It's easily a big enough market for NeXT to penetrate, establish a name, and make tons of money, but it does leave us hobbyists and hackers out in the cold. . While the presentation was impressive, and it sounds like NeXT really is ready for the big leagues, most of my peers left feeling rather down. We missed the excitement of waiting for the next neat-o-keen feature, the feeling of being caught up in a great quest to redefine computing. Instead we hear accountants drone about what makes business sense. On the other hand, that is what adolescence is largely about. Dreams can be perfect, reality never so. To make a dream come true means giving up the idealism without giving up your ideals. It will be painful and risky no matter how you try to do it -- but unless you try, the dream will never become real at all. As NeXT settles down to the adult business of making a living, let's hope they (and we) never forget what it is we are living for. --- Ernie Prabhakar, Reporting **QUOTES** "It's INTEL, Stupid!" --sign on Steve's wall. "There's a) what we have, b) where we're going, and c) what Steve says." -- NeXT employee who asked to remain anonymous. "Grey Hardware" [mixed NeXT and PC systems] "No Applause, just Purchase Orders" -- Ron Weissmann. "Business-Critical Applications" "Rumors are meant to be unconfirmed." -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: mahoney@csulb.edu (Mike Mahoney) Subject: Executive Briefing / SCaN Meeting Summary (May 4) Message-ID: <C6L1ry.396@csulb.edu> Keywords: NEXTSTEP, NeXTWORLD Expo, NeXT, SCaN, User Groups Sender: news@csulb.edu (News Administration/Rumor Bureau) Organization: Cal State Long Beach Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 02:04:46 GMT On Tuesday 4 May NeXT presented an executive briefing at the Westin-Bonaventure in downtown Los Angeles to 120-130 people. There were lots of developers, system integrators, CEOs, and other good folks in attendance. The briefing was followed by a SCaN (So. Cal. NEXTSTEP Users Group) meeting in the same room with a separate group of 80-90 people. Steve Jobs, Brett Bachman, Ron Weissman, Cindy Larson, Erna Arnesen and Bob Longo spoke at the briefing. Steve and Bob couldn't stick around for the SCaN meeting. There was a NEC Versa Ultralite portable with 12 MB RAM, 120 MB disk (60 MB free), running the NEXTSTEP 3.1 user edition in the room. It was very cool! The following comments are taken from the notes I took at the briefing. NeXT is in no way responsible for the comments made here. (Much of this has appeared before on the net). 1. NeXT has $25,000,000 cash in the bank (so obviously NeXT isn't going to fold - these folks are truly committed to getting the word out that NEXTSTEP is a vastly superior OS to others currently available. People who say NeXT is dead (e.g., UNIX Review Editor) are simply uninformed.) 2. McCaw Cellular has upped their buy to 5,000 copies of NEXTSTEP, a midwestern health care company will probably commit to 6,000 systems. 3. NEXTSTEP 3.1 on May 25 will contain support for 6 languages. NeXTSTEP 3.2 in Q1-Q4 1993 (simultaneous releases for black and white hardware). For black hardware owners it will cost $75 to upgrade from 3.0 to the 3.1 user edition ($49 with no docs), and $99 to upgrade from 3.0 to the 3.1 developer edition. (If you're running 2.x, upgrading to 3.0 now and then to 3.1 is cheaper than upgrading from 2.x to 3.1.) NEXTSTEP 3.1 has been "put to bed" and is being pressed into CD-ROMs. 4. Compaq joins Dell, DG, Epson, HP, NEC, Siemens in supporting NeXTSTEP. 5. A major relationship with a leading enterprise computing provider will be announced soon (it's not a 3-letter company, it's better!). 6. Enterprise standards DCE, DME, and CORBA will be supported eventually. 7. Portable Distributed Objects (PDO) available before long (3.2?); This means objects from the one NeXTSTEP program can run on Sun, HP, DG, etc. simultaneously (WOW!). There will be cross-compiler switches in Project Builder to make this happen. 8. Steve said he knows NeXT's credibility was low, but also that it has risen significantly with the stable 3.1 beta and multiple partnerships. He also noted the irony that NEXTSTEP's credibility is very high (surely you've noticed articles that say NeXT is in trouble, but their operating system is fabulous). 9. 3.1 enhancements include scalability (laptops, portables), DOS/Windows support (with up to 80% performance of native 486), and Token Ring support. AppleTalk is unbundled (will be supported by IPT and be much better). 3.1 developer enhancements include multi-architecture (fat) binaries, a new HeaderViewer, enhanced C++ support (AT&T 2.1), new APIs (Novell, POSIX), and documentation from NeXT. SoftPC is not on the 3.1 CD-ROM. Novell support is still bundled. 10. 3.2 enhancements will include additional configurations, SoftPC on the CD-ROM (valid for 60 days, then a simple phone call/payment will enable you to license the product), Netware on Token Ring, and bug fixes (which can be reported until late July). 11. NeXT has a testing program and has validated NEXTSTEP 3.1 on 40 systems. They will validate 120 systems by the time NEXTSTEP 3.2 is released. (There are many other systems which run NeXTSTEP fine, but NeXT won't test the thousands of configs available.) 12. Motorola 68040 (black hardware) software releases will continue through 1995, hardware service has been taken over by Bell Atlantic, and existing warranties will be honored. 13. 175 third party developers have committed to port to NEXTSTEP for Intel, which includes 230 products. 14 DB Kit adaptors are available, including DB2, IMS, Sybase, Oracle, etc. Only Sybase and Oracle are bundled. A CD-ROM with 50 demo apps (multi-architecture) will be available in June. Lotus hasn't committed for Improv and Frame hasn't committed for FrameMaker. If you want these apps upgraded for NEXTSTEP, let it be known. 14. NeXTWORLD Expo is expected to have 7000 attendees and ~100 exhibitors. 15. NeXT's message is: "Object-Oriented Interface to Client/Server Computing." NeXT has a chance to become the "Microsoft of Objects." 16. An evaluation kit for new developers will be pushed. It will be very inexpensive and geared towards bringing in new people. 17. NeXT has no time to even think about going public. 18. If sound is important to you, buy EISA. 19. NEXTSTEP 3.1 runs great on local bus systems. 20. Photo CD support is bundled in a demo app (it works, but isn't supported). You will be able to copy from this demo app and paste elsewhere. 21. 24 or 32-bit color will be supported eventually, but the hardware must first be in place. 8 bit gray scale to come soon (didn't catch when). 22. Educational pricing is very cheap (no dollar figure was announced, but I'm extremely happy with the figure that was whispered in my ear!). .. 99. I came away from the briefing/meeting very enthused. I believe that NeXT hit a low in the February thru April time period, and has been slowly but surely rising in their credibility, believability, and confidence ever since. It appears they'll be peaking at the time of NeXTWORLD Expo. Do not miss this conference! It will be one to remember and also be a lot of fun. -- - Mike Mahoney, SCaN President Professor and Chair Computer Engineering and Computer Science Dept California State University, Long Beach Long Beach, CA 90840-8302
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: mahoney@csulb.edu (Mike Mahoney) Subject: It's Intel stupid! Message-ID: <C6L1u4.3AB@csulb.edu> Sender: news@csulb.edu (News Administration/Rumor Bureau) Organization: Cal State Long Beach Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 02:06:03 GMT When Steve Jobs was asked about ports (e.g., Mac, RISC) of NeXTSTEP at the May 4 executive briefing in LA, he referred to the 1992 campaign slogan "It's the economy stupid." Apparently Steve has a poster in his office which states "It's Intel stupid." This refers to the fact that there will be about 25,000,000 Intel 486 systems sold this year, while there is only a total of about 700,000 RISC systems in existence. Why should NeXT waste resources porting to various RISC platforms when there are so few opportunities (relatively speaking) to sell NeXTSTEP? -- - Mike Mahoney, SCaN President Professor and Chair Computer Engineering and Computer Science Dept California State University, Long Beach Long Beach, CA 90840-8302
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: anyone hear of a DPT 2012B EISA SCSI card? Message-ID: <May06.021224.35509@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Date: Thu, 06 May 1993 02:12:24 GMT References: <ZHAO.93May5094738@pylos.nmsu.edu> Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College NS/FIP supports 2 SCSI cards: Adaptec 1542B, an ISA card DPT 2012B, an EISA card. Now, I would LIKE to use the DPT, since it is an EISA (faster than ISA) and it supports a RAM cache (512K to 16M)... The problem is, no one I have managed to get ahold of has ever even heard of a DPT ("What? Don't you want the DTC 1309?" "NO, I said D-P-T not D-T-C" and so on). Argh... I *WILL* get this NS/FIP thing to fly even if it kills me! -nate /---------------------------+======================================\ | "I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know." | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu | \---------------------------+======================================/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: (low-) budget NeXTWORLD EXPO housing Message-ID: <1993May5.163756.5181@nic.csu.net> From: preuss@futon.SFSU.EDU (Peter Preuss) Date: 5 May 93 16:37:55 PDT Distribution: world Organization: San Francisco State University Re: (low-) budget NeXTWORLD EXPO housing If: 1) You'd rather spend your money on NeXTgoodies than on lodging, or 2) You would like to help others find affordable places to stay during expo, read on! 1) Send e-mail to preuss@futon.sfsu.edu if you're looking for a budget stay. Let me know your arrival and departure dates, phone/fax number, and e-mail address. So far, the Downtown SF Youth Hostel @ 116 Turk (415.346-7835) seems to be the best bet. It's just 3 blocks away from the Powell MUNI/BART Station, which in turn is just a couple of blocks away from the Moscone Expo Center and various other partying sites. They charge $14 for single and $24 for double rooms. No age limit to qualify as "youth"! 2) We're (desperately) looking for host "families" willing to provide housing for guests from out of town; please spread the word to friends, even a stay for just one night would help somebody! Unfortunately, the expo falls into finals week here at SF State, so many of my friends are rather occupied with other worries... Peter Preuss NeXTWORLD EXPO Volunteer preuss@futon.sfsu.edu San Francisco State University --- "Wir sprechen Deutsh!" - Loriot
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Re: PC for NS486 Message-ID: <1993May5.211543.965@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass References: <ZHAO.93May5094738@pylos.nmsu.edu> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 21:15:43 GMT Z. Zhao writes > I am planning to buy a new PC-486 for running NeXTSTEP-486 and > WINDOWS, sometimes you have to :-(. I am having that same dichotomy, a friend of mine wants me to create some software for him. I would love to use NeXSTEP/Intel for it but for him it just isn't cost effective. > I want to find out what is the requirement for a 486 to run NS nicely. > I have the specification sheet of NEC Image 466 in front of me. It has > > CPU: intel 486 DX2 66MHz > BUS: ISA/16-bit > RAM: 16MB SIMM upgrade kit (optional) > Cache: 8KB integrated, 256KB 20ns SRAM module (optional) > ROM: 128KB flash memory > Image > Video: 32-bit local bus video operating at 33MHz > graphics accelerator(BitBLT), 24-bit true color RAMDAC, with > 1MB of video memory > Image > Sync: automatically synchronized to the optimum verticle refresh rate > of MultiSync FG series monitors > OptiBus: > maximized I/O throughout utilizing NEC fast bus and block mode > PIO technology > Integrated > SCSI: integrated SCSI host adapter providing connectivity for a wide > range of SCSI devices > Network > Ready: 16-bit Bus mastering 10BaseT Ethernet adapter with dedicated > connector and port > HDD: Third height(1") 3.5" IDE; 340 MB 13ms > FDD: 3.5" 1.44MB > Drive > Bays: two 5.25" front accessible slots > two 3.5" internal hard drive bays > Option > Slots: four 8/16-bit ISA > Interface: > two serial(RS-232C), one parallel, VGA disply > Power > Supply: 110 watt > I hope this is enough for NS486. Oh, yap, probably, I need something > for audio. What is your suggestion? It is but you will need 2M for the video card if you want to support color and access to a CD-ROM drive to load it. the machine I am buying is the Gateway 2000 66V it has: 1 CD-ROM Drive/Local Bus 1 ATI Video Card 1M 1 340 IDE HD 16M RAM 15" Monitor basic other hardware (Keyboard,tower,etc) some software choices That costs $2995, I am having it upgraded to: 2M video card 1 1.2G HD 32M RAM 1 Fax/Modem 9600/14400 17" Monitor which will come out to 6040, the big costs being the 1.2G HD and 17" monitor. How much did your hardware come out to. A friend of mine bought the base configuration with the 17" monitor and the sound system and he says it really screams, but alas he is only running DOS/Windows on it. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.shell From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Getting crontab.local to work; also rgrep In-Reply-To: blake015@galadriel's message of 5 May 93 15:49:53 GMT To: blake015@galadriel (Denise Blakeley) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93May5180926@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <14401@news.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 22:09:26 GMT In article <14401@news.duke.edu> blake015@galadriel (Denise Blakeley) writes: Also, I'd like to know where to get the Unix command rgrep (a grep that goes recursively through a directory tree.) What an ugly idea ! Grep shouldn't need to know about directory structures and the like -- such things are the job of the shell. And at least one shell handles it just fine: % /bin/grep RDONLY /usr/include/**/*.h /usr/include/bsd/ndbm.h:#define _DBM_RDONLY 0x1 /* data base open read-only */ /usr/include/bsd/ndbm.h:#define dbm_rdonly(db) ((db)->dbm_flags & _DBM_RDONLY) /usr/include/bsd/nfs/export.h:#define EX_RDONLY 0x01 /* exported read only */ /usr/include/bsd/sys/fcntl.h:#define O_RDONLY 000 /usr/include/bsd/sys/mount.h:#define M_RDONLY 0x01 /* mount fs read only */ /usr/include/bsd/sys/mount.h:#define RFS_RDONLY 0x001 /* read-only: passed with remote mount request */ /usr/include/bsd/sys/vfs.h:#define VFS_RDONLY 0x01 /* read only vfs */ /usr/include/netinfo/ni_prot.h: NI_RDONLY = 13, Just in case you didn't guess: The shell is zsh and ** expands to all directories in the current tree. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Expired NXFax1.03? Message-ID: <1993May6.042612.373@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 04:26:12 GMT Hi, Just got my ZyXEL yesterday and was in a hurry to install NXFax1.03. After the installation completion panel, I got another panel saying "Installation failed. This copy of NXFax has expired." And I tried PrinterManager to modify it, and it also returns the same panel. I can not even try it in DEMO mode. Any thoughts on how this could happen? A Timed bomb? g -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Rocks.pkg corrupted? Message-ID: <1993May6.094625.4916@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 09:46:25 GMT Hi, I got the following error while installing rock.pkg. Anyone got a correct version? Installing /Users/garyc/Apps/Rocks.app/English.lproj/Game.nib/data.nib .. OK. **** directory checksum error (1067 != 5244) **** There were errors while installing Rocks.pkg. .. errors. -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> Subject: Supra v.32bis and uucp Message-ID: <1993May5.102917.8793@proponent.com> Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Proponent Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 10:29:17 GMT A friend of mine has a SupraFAXModem v.32bis and DFax on his NeXT. He is dialing into another system for email and news. The other system has a Telebit Worldblazer. What configuration settings and chat script commands do you recommend for the SupraFAXModem in order to get maximum throughput? Thanks. Monty -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Subject: Re: Expired NXFax1.03? In-Reply-To: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu's message of Thu, 6 May 1993 04:26:12 GMT Message-ID: <KARTHY.93May6230400@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: news@dannug.dk (Usenet news owner) Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group References: <1993May6.042612.373@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 22:04:00 GMT Gary> Just got my ZyXEL yesterday and was in a hurry to install Gary> NXFax1.03. After the installation completion panel, I got another panel Gary> saying "Installation failed. This copy of NXFax has expired." Gary> And I tried PrinterManager to modify it, and it also returns the Gary> same panel. I can not even try it in DEMO mode. Gary> Any thoughts on how this could happen? A Timed bomb? Yes - it's kind of a time bomb. I experienced the same and contacted Black & White. They told me that they have sent out a wrong version of NXFax 1.03 on the archived. The driver it self is a copy of the beta-release which was time limited. The solution is to contact B&W, (nxfax@bandw.com) and they will send you a new version of the driver - it only took a few hours before I got my copy - really nice support!! Regards Karsten. Btw: I have no connection to B&W except that I am a satisfied customer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: How can I erase swapfile without rebooting Message-ID: <1993May5.202509.5682@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X References: <1216@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 20:25:09 GMT In article <1216@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > > > > Assuming you wish your computer to keep running after the operation, > > you can't. > > I've had some success with the following method. > > The reason the swapfile won't shrink is usually that some process > grabbed a chunk of memory way up high in the swap file, so it can't > contract. It won't shrink the "middle", only the "end". So you > have to find a moment when no process is using any of the memory > at the high end of the swap file. > > On the assumption that you started most of the processes on the > system (and that they are descended from the WorkSpace), one > technique that has worked occasionally for me is to wait until > the system is relatively quiet, then suddenly log out, and log in > as "exit", which also quits out of the WindowServer. I have managed > to reclaim a lot of memory that way, although it's not consistent. I had the same idea a while ago - not much success. I had a big swapfile, 80 MB or so, then I logged out, killed workspace/windowserver and finally found myself in the console window. I continued killing all processes which were not neccessary but the swapfile didn't shrink even a single byte. I remember that under NS2.1 I occassionally could shrink it, perhabs it has to do with the swapfile-compression I'm using. I believe this is a severe bug of NeXT. It's easy to say "just reboot once per day" as long you're a hacker on your own. If you have a system running several weeks in a commercial environment, you just can't reboot. Does anyone know, if this is fixed in 3.1 ?? (Beta-Testers: Start swapping and have a look at it !!) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de C is a language that combines all the elegance and power of assembly language with all the readability and maintainability of assembly language
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu (Doug Boyce) Subject: Re: Anyone heard of DPT 2012B SCSI card? (SUMMARY!!) Message-ID: <C6MqE8.EID@acsu.buffalo.edu> Keywords: NEXTSTEP, NeXTWORLD Expo, NeXT, SCaN, User Groups Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo References: <C6L1ry.396@csulb.edu> <May06.194918.94615@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 23:54:07 GMT In article <May06.194918.94615@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes: >Phone: (407) 830-5522 >Fax: (407) 260-5366 > > >bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca writes: >------------------------------ >The company is listed in the Merisel catalog as "DTP" ... give >them a call and see if they can find the card now! That did the >trick for us... > >Oh. And in case you're interested: We've found the Adaptec to >perform BETTER than the integrated SCSI controller on a Turbo >station (!), and not significantly worse than the DPT board. I >suspect you'd notice the difference if you were using another >high-bandwidth bus device (like if you were running the system >with an ISA ethernet controller, too, and using the system as a >server). Our testing goes against the idea that the Adaptec is only slightly worse than the DPT. On a quiet system I've done a disk /dev/rsd0a with the inputs of "0,200,200,200" with an Adaptec and gotten in the 930,000 bytes/sec range. Today we were able to get three times that with our EISA ATI/DPT system. And before you flame me I know that this is not a true benchmark, and that this is also a function function of drive performance. Doug -- Doug Boyce dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Clear up pricing for me... Date: 7 May 1993 00:25:09 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <1sca95$fbe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hello. I have what should hopefully be a simple question. I currently have NeXTSTEP 3.0 running on my ol' 030 cube. Just when I get it working, out pops NS3.1. Now, I've got the User's Version of 3.0, but I'd be interested in getting a Developer's Version. I also want to get the new (hopefully less buggy) 3.1. How much will it cost me to upgrade from 3.0 User to 3.1 Developer? There, that was simple enough, now wasn't it? :-) Joe -- __________ | jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | With all due respect, Captain. Klingons are not `---- | "witty." And neither are their .SIG's
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@news.cis.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: Expired NXFax1.03? Message-ID: <C6MvJG.Ao5@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <KARTHY.93May6230400@dannug.dannug.dk> Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 01:41:49 GMT The new version is supposed to be on the archives as well. I might provide a word of caution before upgrading beyond the problems described here. My setup requires that the faxmodem answer (distinctive ring) on the first ring. My answering machine will answer on either rings 2 or 4, depending on whether messages are pending. With 1.03 NXFax WILL NOT answer on the first ring. Even with the setting of num rings set to 1, it answers AFTER the second ring. My answering machine will typically answer as it knows nothing about distinctive ring. I've reported this as a bug, but they've clearly stated that it's my problem and not theirs. So my solution was to go back to 1.02. I used to be very satisfied with the NXFax solution and would reccommend it highly, but now I reccommend it with caution. They aren't as helpful now. peter Karsten Thygesen (karthy@dannug.dk) wrote: : Gary> Any thoughts on how this could happen? A Timed bomb? : The solution is to contact B&W, (nxfax@bandw.com) and they will send : you a new version of the driver - it only took a few hours before I : got my copy - really nice support!! -- -- peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) dig.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Matthew Kreger) Subject: Re: (low-) budget NeXTWORLD EXPO housing Message-ID: <C6MwzK.n1o@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project References: <1993May5.163756.5181@nic.csu.net> Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 02:16:31 GMT In article <1993May5.163756.5181@nic.csu.net> preuss@futon.SFSU.EDU (Peter Preuss) writes: >Re: (low-) budget NeXTWORLD EXPO housing > >If: >1) You'd rather spend your money on NeXTgoodies than on lodging, >or >2) You would like to help others find affordable places to stay during expo, >read on! One step up, but still quite affordable is Pension San Francisco... European style (shared baths) hotel, won NY Times Budget Choice 1993 Single twin $42, Single full $45, Double full $52, Double twins $55 Plus 11% hotel tax. Tel: 415-864-1271 FAX: 415-861-8116 1668 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94102 It's about 10 blocks up from Moscone Conv. Ctr... about 8 to the Castro! Tell them Matt Kreger (who is staying for the Expo) sent you. -- Matt Kreger (matt@Hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU) is not affiliated with anyone. INFP
From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Clear up pricing for me... Message-ID: <1993May07.033509.13764@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: 7 May 93 03:35:09 GMT Article-I.D.: rat.1993May07.033509.13764 References: <1sca95$fbe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Cal Poly, SLO In article <1sca95$fbe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: > > Hello. > > I have what should hopefully be a simple question. I currently have > NeXTSTEP 3.0 running on my ol' 030 cube. Just when I get it working, > out pops NS3.1. Now, I've got the User's Version of 3.0, but I'd be > interested in getting a Developer's Version. I also want to get the > new (hopefully less buggy) 3.1. > > How much will it cost me to upgrade from 3.0 User to 3.1 Developer? > > There, that was simple enough, now wasn't it? :-) since the advent of paper (and more so computers) nothing is set in stone (pun intended) but I belive you are looking at ~$125 total. Also you have User but you own Developer, the developer version simply wouldn't fit on your HD. -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: anyone hear of a DPT 2012B EISA SCSI card? Message-ID: <L3P63B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 93 21:59:56 CDT References: <May06.021224.35509@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Organization: TCS Consulting Services ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes: > NS/FIP supports 2 SCSI cards: > > Adaptec 1542B, an ISA card > DPT 2012B, an EISA card. > > Now, I would LIKE to use the DPT, since it is an EISA (faster than ISA) and > it supports a RAM cache (512K to 16M)... > > The problem is, no one I have managed to get ahold of has ever even heard > of a DPT ("What? Don't you want the DTC 1309?" "NO, I said D-P-T not > D-T-C" and so on). > > Argh... I *WILL* get this NS/FIP thing to fly even if it kills me! > The DPT card outfitted with 4.5 megs ram will cost you about 900 bucks. The card alone goes for between 300 and 400. This is a very pricy outfit. Currently the makers of DPT offer a 50% try it first type of deal for a SINGLE unit. I've got the phone number somewhere--I'll try to find it unless someone else posts it. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS: NeXTSTEP-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Where to get a DPT 2012B card... FOUND A PLACE! Message-ID: <May07.034357.90284@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Date: Fri, 07 May 1993 03:43:57 GMT References: <C6L1ry.396@csulb.edu> <May06.194918.94615@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <C6MqE8.EID@acsu.buffalo.edu> Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Keywords: NEXTSTEP, NeXTWORLD Expo, NeXT, SCaN, User Groups I found one (1) place that carries the card. Computer Discount Warehouse 1-800-326-4CDW (4239) There are actually two versions... DPT 2012B-91 $459 This card has the SCSI controller only, I am unsure of the cache size, but it's probably the 512K (base) expandable to 4MB DPT 2012B-95 $499 This card has the SCSI controller, but also has a Floppy drive controller, and the same cache (I assume) as the 2012B-91. If you know a place that has them for cheaper, I would appreciate being told, as, I am sure, would many other people. -nate /---------------------------+======================================\ | "I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know." | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu | \---------------------------+======================================/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Neuron Fax9600+ software Message-ID: <1993May7.065116.7742@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1sb42hINN93n@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 06:51:16 GMT In article <1sb42hINN93n@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) writes: > I just bought a used Neuron 9600+ modem. The Neuron > software that came with it is release 1.3b. Does anyone > out there have a later version that I could copy? (version > 1.3b simply hangs up on my Next and does work at all). Any > suggestions/hints would be most appreciated. My advice? Get your money back if you possibly can. There's a high probability that your modem will never work succesfully as a fax modem and will likely be tempermental as a data modem. The last release that I know of that works (and I use that term loosely) with a 96+ is 1.50. Even with that you aren't looking at a bright future. Unless you paid next to nothing for the modem, intend to use it purely for data, and don't intend to use their terminal package - get out of it now! The 1414's can be upgraded with newer ROMd and can work with B&W's NXFax software (highly recommended) but the 96+'s are a dead end that never really got out of the beta cycle. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Time in loginwindow Message-ID: <1993May7.065550.7852@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993May6.141227.937@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 06:55:50 GMT In article <1993May6.141227.937@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> duvalld@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Danek Duvall) writes: > Does anyone know if there is a dwrite to get the current time > in the loginwindow panel, and keep it updated? It would be useful > to have a clock on the screen at all times. If this isn't in NS3.0, > is it something coming for NS3.1? or later? This is kind of a long way around, and it costs money, but the MetroTools screen saver can be run as a backdrop (and/or a traditional screen saver) during the login window. Set it to the clock module and off you go... Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: tfs@gravity.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Subject: Ranting revisited... Message-ID: <1993May7.085218.20671@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> Summary: Hmm.. Sender: usenet@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (usenet administrator) Organization: George mason University Fairfax Va. Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 08:52:18 GMT Well, a few months back I posted a rather long and involved rant about hardware abandonment, & the general state of dis-array that NeXT seemed to be suffering from... At the time it seemed like the "OS only" idea was slightly nuts to me. Considering that 3.0 was slightly buggy, and that I've become rather attached to my cool black hardware (You'll get my slab from me when you pry my cold dead fingers from the keyboard ;), my opinion was slightly biased by my prefrences. Also, there was a good healthy portion of fear & uncertainty involved because I've devoted a large amount of time, money & effort into getting to be good enough on these things to work with them professionaly. -That to the exclusion of MS-Windows (Ok, I'll be honest, the GUI has ALLWAYS seemed insipid and cutesy TO ME <read IMHO>) & other OS's... Sure, I'd maint- ained my skills on oher Un*ces, but clearly NS took pride of place. (That, and it rather rapidly became apperant that NS is really a best of breed in many, many ways, as well as being so easy to use that people with problems needed guys like me to solve them.) In any event, I had real fears of my bread & butter going out the window, or to MS-Windows, the prospect of learning the internals of I've allways associated with things like getting a root canal or a limb amputated. At this point however, from fear, dissapointment, and suspicions of betrayal, I've done a real solid 180 degree turnaround. For alot of reasons, and considering I spent some time elaborating my concerns, I figure the right & honorable thing to do is to summarize why I've done a turnabout. That, and I've noticed that while there was literaly GIG's of flames & traffic in the negative about the change, I havn't seen the same kind of traffic now that the picture is clearer. In any event, Number one on my personal list was Hardware & Hardware. I'd thought I'd be left high & dry with support, or at least in a rather ill defined orphanage. That especially inclusive of OS support. With the pricing on 3.1 for NeXT hardware owners announced, I tend to think that NeXT is VERY much doing right by HW owners. having seen 3.1 and really been impressed with it, as well as knowing what the specific improvments are in it -well beyond patches to 3.0- from looking & reading 'netnews, I'm very comfortable that I'm getting a damned good deal. This without factoring in things like the cross platform development capability, or OSF compliance, or the better support for things like AppleTalk. Beyond that I tend to look at the bread and butter issues of what I do, and where things are going with NeXT. To be honest, I'm happier NOW than I was before. When I look at what's going on with Intel, Marketing, & Developer support, there is a clear improvment to me in focus, relations with the rest of the computer industry, and with commercial endusers. I've noticed that there's some sentiment for the notion that the with the change there will be some demise of the "latest, coolest, & forward thinking" apps & features. My feeling on that is that if anything, the industrial history points to quite the opposite. All one has to do is look at the early years of MS-DOS. (through to version 4.01, where they pretty much dropped the ball in alot of ways.) That was a period of time from it's infancy till then created a renassance of development, accessiblity, (really with the advent of the 80286, 8088 prices came down enough to create affordibility) and rather surprising successes in the software industry. NeXT, it seems to me, is in the proccess of putting an EXTREMLY strong operating system on the desktop. I fully expect it to do much better than NT, if for no other reason than it's faster & will be much easier to interoperate with other systems. In fact, by putting it on Intel hardware, the interoperability factor that used to make the machine a dream will now be greatly increased. (Hey, I used to, and still DO make an occasional buck just converting Mac files to DOS files, and here is an OS that runs like a champ & does Mac, DOS, & Unix without me buying 4-12 different S/W packages for it.) I should clarify that some by saying increased interop- erability wil be enhanced by an increased accessibility. I can _NOT_ even begin to count the amount of people who I know (No sh*t, it's literaly in the 100's) who have said to me "Wow you have a NeXT!? I'd love one, but I've allready got a '486 and can't afford a whole new computer" Now, those people will be able to get what they want. By far the most freqently asked question I get now is a combination of "When, what, where, & how" for NS/Intel. in any event, it is obvious to me (if not to the nitwit's at Byte, UnixWorld <Is it me? or are they as cluless and bought out as they seem?>) that the direction NeXT is headed in is not only much more solid than it was, but also one that will create a much stronger market & enviornment for the company, developers, and users. OS biases aside, & from a purely pragmatic viewpoint, I really do think that NeXT is going to be a larger contender in the industry and amongst users than it ever was in the past. Tim Scanlon -- tfs@gravity.gmu.edu
From: dbbrown@toad.mrj.com (Dan Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Date: 7 May 1993 07:10:08 -0400 Organization: MRJ, Inc./Oakton, Virginia, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sdg2g$2f8@toad.mrj.com> References: <1rscq3$8kv@hpscit.sc.hp.com> <1rub0tINNhdv@golden.kaleida.com> >>I don't think it's the case any more. For 3.1, it looks like >> >>User Version = NOT fat = $75 >>Dev Version = FAT = $99 >> >>So the developer CD probably won't have the user version on it, just the >>developer stuff. >> >>Paul >>................................................................... >>Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! >>Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com I sent mail to Brett Bachman at NeXT asking for clarification on the 3.1 for NeXT Hardware release and here is his response. I hope this clears things up for every one. Dan Brown ------------------- From Brett_Bachman@NeXT.COM Wed May 5 15:37:04 1993 Return-Path: <Brett_Bachman@NeXT.COM> Date: Wed, 5 May 93 12:38:27 -0700 Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.94) To: dbbrown@mrj.com (Dan Brown) Subject: Re: Questions on 3.1 for NeXT announcement Status: R Although the user software, NEXTSTEP, is the same for Motorola and Intel we were not able to physically make the release MAB (Multi-Architecture Binary), so there are two separate CD's, one for Intel and one for Motorola. As far as pricing goes, for $795 you have the right to use the software on a single PC. If you buy the Motorola upgrade for $75 (or $49 for the right-to-use license) you have the right to use the software on a Motorola computer currently running 3.0. As you can see, there are two separate products from a purchasing perspective, and you have to buy one or the other of these products for each computer on your network. If you buy the development tools, NEXTSTEP Developer, for $1995, you get a MAB CD, complete technical documentation, and a right-to-use license for a PC or a Motorola computer. If you buy the Motorola 3.0 upgrade for $99, you get a Motorola-only CD, no hardcopy documentation, and a right-to-use license for your Motorola computer only. Brett --------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: lroberts@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Roberts) Subject: Re: Ranting revisited... Message-ID: <1993May7.141424.27727@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Summary: NeXT OS/Intel marketing strategies. of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1993May7.085218.20671@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> Date: Fri, 7 May 93 14:14:24 GMT In article <1993May7.085218.20671@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> tfs@gravity.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) writes: > Stuff deleted. > > NeXT, it seems to me, is in the proccess of putting an EXTREMLY >strong operating system on the desktop. I fully expect it to do much better >than NT, if for no other reason than it's faster & will be much easier to >interoperate with other systems. In fact, by putting it on Intel hardware, >the interoperability factor that used to make the machine a dream will >now be greatly increased. (Hey, I used to, and still DO make an occasional >buck just converting Mac files to DOS files, and here is an OS that runs >like a champ & does Mac, DOS, & Unix without me buying 4-12 different S/W >packages for it.) I should clarify that some by saying increased interop- >erability wil be enhanced by an increased accessibility. I can _NOT_ even >begin to count the amount of people who I know (No sh*t, it's literaly in >the 100's) who have said to me "Wow you have a NeXT!? I'd love one, but I've >allready got a '486 and can't afford a whole new computer" Now, those people >will be able to get what they want. By far the most freqently asked question >I get now is a combination of "When, what, where, & how" for NS/Intel. > > in any event, it is obvious to me (if not to the nitwit's at Byte, >UnixWorld <Is it me? or are they as cluless and bought out as they seem?>) >that the direction NeXT is headed in is not only much more solid than it was, >but also one that will create a much stronger market & enviornment for the >company, developers, and users. OS biases aside, & from a purely pragmatic >viewpoint, I really do think that NeXT is going to be a larger contender >in the industry and amongst users than it ever was in the past. > > > Tim Scanlon > > >-- > >tfs@gravity.gmu.edu One thing that I think that NeXT needs to re-evaluate is its prices for NS/Intel, which is about $1000 I think, and another $1000 for the Interface Builder. I think NeXT would like to think that they are competing in the workstation market, however I have always believed that they are really competing in the PC market. In order to get PC users to at least consider using NS/Intel, it is going to have to be price competitive with NT, which list for $500 and will probably have a street price quite a bit lower than that. I expect Borland will probably put together an App builder/compiler package for less than $500. If NeXT does not acknowlege that they are really in the PC market, and are competing against NT, OS 2.0, WIN3.1/DOS6.0, they won't survive (IMO). Their goal should be to sell quantity with less profit margin on each package. Also, they should seriously consider getting into the apps business. I think it will be very difficult to make a sucessful long lived business only by selling an OS (In the PC market that is). Larry Roberts lroberts@nyx.cs.du.edu 8450lsr@indy.navy.mil
From: next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Where to get a DPT 2012B card... FOUND A PLACE! Keywords: NEXTSTEP, NeXTWORLD Expo, NeXT, SCaN, User Groups Message-ID: <3PN73B1w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 93 10:06:49 CDT References: <May07.034357.90284@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Organization: TCS Consulting Services ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes: > I found one (1) place that carries the card. > > Computer Discount Warehouse > 1-800-326-4CDW (4239) > > There are actually two versions... > > DPT 2012B-91 $459 > This card has the SCSI controller only, I am unsure of the cache size, > but it's probably the 512K (base) expandable to 4MB > > DPT 2012B-95 $499 > This card has the SCSI controller, but also has a Floppy drive controller, > and the same cache (I assume) as the 2012B-91. > I hate to burst your bubble..when I first looked into the DPT controller, the controller was one price, the 512k and cache was an extra add on, and the 4 megs was an additional add on. All in all the price came to over 900 dollars for 4.5 meg caching controller with floppy. And I believe that was the one time 50% off special that they were offering. (50% off list that is). The adaptec is quite good, and I'll be looking forward to when adaptec's EISA controller is supported, or a local bus controller. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS: NeXTSTEP-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Clear up pricing for me... Date: 7 May 1993 15:40:41 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <1sdvtpINN1kr@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1sca95$fbe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1993May07.033509.13764@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> In article <1993May07.033509.13764@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: >In article <1sca95$fbe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> >jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: >> I have what should hopefully be a simple question. I currently have >> NeXTSTEP 3.0 running on my ol' 030 cube. Just when I get it working, >> out pops NS3.1. Now, I've got the User's Version of 3.0, but I'd be >> interested in getting a Developer's Version. I also want to get the >> new (hopefully less buggy) 3.1. >Also you have >User but you own Developer, the developer version simply wouldn't fit on >your HD. Just to clarify, 3.1 User and Developer should fit on your '030 Cube if it still has the original 330 MB HD. The 3.1 upgrade may require more disk space than the equivalent 3.0 release due to more on-line docs and the fat binaries in the Developer version which can be de-fatted (lipo'd) upon installation. Seems like NeXT is recommending upgrading to 3.0 prior to 3.1, so you should probably see how much space 3.0 Developer requires before moving on to 3.1. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
From: tpugh@oce.orst.edu (Tim Pugh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mid-Willamette NeXT User Group Meeting on Thursday May 13th Keywords: NEXTSTEP, INTEL, MEETING Message-ID: <1se0on$e6a@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: 7 May 93 15:55:03 GMT Article-I.D.: gaia.1se0on$e6a Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University Mid-Willamette NeXT User Group Meeting on Thursday May 13th ----------------------------------------------------------- Find out about NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors and see it running on a Gateway 2000. All are welcome! When: Thursday 13 May 1993 at 2:30 - 4:00 p.m. Where: Computer Science - West Room 103 Oregon State University Corvallis, OR; Phone: (503) 737-2270 It's on Campus Way near 26th Street Meeting: The reason for this meeting is see a demonstration of NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors. We'll provide information from NeXT and ANDI on the hardware requirements for NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors. We'll also be talking about hardware and software compatibility between NEXTSTEP for Motorola processors and NEXTSTEP for Intel processors plus many more issues, news, and product offerings. Parking: Look for the visitor parking and open parking lots and side streets. For more information, contact Tim Pugh, (503) 737-2270 or tpugh@oce.orst.edu -- Tim Pugh College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University tpugh@oce.orst.edu NeXTmail ok!
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dead Mono Monitor - HELP Message-ID: <1993May7.131108.14977@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: 7 May 93 13:11:08 EDT Organization: Univ of Miami IR I have a dead monochrome monitor on an old original cube. No fuses can be found and I don't have a spare cube or monitor. The computer works as evidenced by a sucessful rlogin from my color station. Any ideas? The monitor seems cold, with little or not detectable heat. Tom Herbert therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu
From: wilson@mimsy.umd.edu (Anne Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Scrollback buff in Terminal app fills up, machine crashes Keywords: scrollback buffer, Terminal, crash Message-ID: <67345@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 7 May 93 18:14:52 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Forgive me if this has been addressed before (I couldn't find it in Spring '92 FAQ): There appears to be a bug in the Terminal application. I have written a program that sometimes does not halt, depending on the input. It displays output text to stdout. When I run this program via Terminal, if it doesn't halt and if I don't turn off the scrollback mechanism it seems to fill up the scrollback buffer and crash the machine. It appears to work fine with scrollback turned off. (I won't mention the time I spent looking for a bug in my own code.. well, maybe I will... Arrrgg!!) Has anyone else encountered this? Perhaps this has been corrected with 3.0? More importantly, is there any way to keep a scrollback buffer of a limited size? I'd like to see more than the 50 lines visible in a window without scrollback. Isn't there anything between zero and infinity??? Thanks for any info! Please respond to me directly if possible. Anne Wilson wilson@cs.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.porogrammer From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Are the Announcements coming through? Message-ID: <1993May7.181449.2278@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com Organization: Digital Fix Development Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 18:14:49 GMT Hi All... I wanted to make sure that the postings to comp.sys.next.announce are making it out into the world. Please let me know if they are. There have been about 5 or six in the last day or two. Please send replies to sanguish@digifix.com BTW, the AUTO-REPLY that lets you know that your submission has arrived at my site is now active. If there are any technical problems with it, please let me know. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Mike Amirault) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NXHost and SLIP Message-ID: <118709@bu.edu> Date: 7 May 93 18:46:30 GMT Sender: news@bu.edu Has anybody gotten NXHost to work with a SLIP connection? I think I've set averything up correctly. I have set the pulic window server on and setup .rhosts files on both machines. I can rlogin without a password check both ways so I know that part is right. But, when I try the following command: ambi> /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail -NXHost machine.bu.edu I get the following error: DPS client library error: Could not form connection, host machine.bu.edu Anyone know what's wrong? Anyone gotten this to work under 3.0 and SLIP? Please reply to ambi@it-next2.bu.edu. Thanks, ambi
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Solution and Question about Dead NeXT Monitor Message-ID: <1993May7.151048.14979@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: 7 May 93 15:10:48 EDT Organization: Univ of Miami IR Well, I found that our university has one other old mono NeXTcube besides the one which I have with the dead monitor. I swapped monitors and the problem is with the monitor. So, I now have two additional questions - 1) Any suggestions on getting the monitor fixed (I am in Miami Florida.)? Is NeXT service the way to go or are there 3rd party people who do this? 1a) (Actually, three questions) - Can one use other monitors on the mono cube? 2) If we make an offer to the other department for the computer to be transferred to our department - How much is a cube worth: 8MB RAM, 40MB Swapdisk, questionable optical - probably does not work (cleaning), mono monitor, keyboard, mouse. No original optical cartridge. This is the early model without a built in microphone. I have no idea how much this is worth - $1K, $200, 2K, ???? Any comments mailed to me at therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu will be welcome. Thanks! Tom Herbert Department of Biology University of Miami
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) Subject: ATI Mach 32 VLB -- not working Message-ID: <C6oCwx.1vF@ms.uky.edu> Organization: University of Kentucky Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 20:58:08 GMT Hello, I'm having problems getting NS486 (march beta) running under my ATI Mach 32 VL-bus. When trying to start the windowserver, it gets in a loop and keeps repeating "problems starting vga" <something like that>, and also spews some messages about "frame buffer" (kinda vague, but I'm not at my machine right now.) I seem to recall reading something in the past about some versions of the card needing an EEPROM upgrade. I have the OEM version. Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about, and can offer any suggestions? Does ATI have a BBS #? Thanks, -- --Mike Mills E-Mail: sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!sam --UK Math Sciences Dept. mike@ukpr.uky.edu --(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Printing from a Mac to a NeXTprinter Message-ID: <1993May7.214405.17729@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 21:44:05 GMT Results - results! Here are the essentials resulting from my efforts at finding a way to print from my Mac to the printer hooked up to my NeXT: Kevin W. Ramer (ramer@nrc-iris.nrc.uab.edu) recommended lpr and CAP (Columbia AppleTalk Package). (Thanks for the advice and support.) Lpr 1.2 is by Peter DiCamillo, Brwon University, Computing and Information Services. I picked a copy up from the mac archives at sumex-aim.stanford.edu. Lpr for the Mac (MacTCP version 1.2) is now working with a NeXT Dimension connected to a NeXT 400 dpr LaserPrinter. The machines are set up in an ethernet - a IIcx, an SE and a standard Mac II. The system is printing plain text and postscript printfiles from programs like Qued and Microsoft Excel (including graphics). However, output from Pagemaker seems to be a real nut to crack. I'appreciate hearing from someone who has it working. Instructions for configuration: 1. Follow the lpr RefGuide instructions. Then maybe the following points might be of help. (I got it wrong to start with.) 2. On the Mac. Set up Lpr with the address of the Mac and your username (origin) and the address of the destination (the Next). Either IP# or hostname will do. Hostnames require that you have a properly configured hosts file in your Your user (owner) name is set in the sharing control panel "Sharing setup". Set formatting to "none". And bump up lpr's memory allocation to something realistic like 1200K or more. For the complete configuration see point 4 below. 3. On the NeXT. You need to modify 1 configuration file and read the content of another. First have the name of the Mac or Macs that want to access the NeXT printer put into the file /etc/hosts.lpd. Mine was empty and I'm my own superuser (administrator) so all I did was put the complete hostname of the Mac that needed the printer and it's IP# (for good measure) on separate lines. With all the frustration I had from the system not working, I can't remember if the NeXT needed rebooting after the modification. 4. Naming the printer. This is the confusing bit. (At least for me.) The "destination" configuration dialogue on the next has "lp" as the default printer name on the desitination (NeXT) machine. While that may be fine on plain vanilla Unix hosts, it's not what the NeXT is offering your Mac. Have a look at the /etc/printcap file. If you have a NeXT 400 dpi Laser Writer hooked to your NeXT, the first few lines of printcap will look like this: Local_Printer: \ :lf=/usr/adm/lpd-errs:sf=:sb=:lp=/dev/null:mx=0: \ :if=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/prserver: \ That's your instruction. The "Printer name" for the Lpr dialoge box on the Mac is "Local_Printer". If your particular network has something else hooked up to the NeXT, try that printer name from /etc/printcap. 5. Printing to the NeXT Now all you do is print from your Mac application. Make sure you choose "to Postscript file", save the file and open it for printing with lpr's "Print file..." command. If you have plain text files, they should print directly. Oh, and I have formatting set to "none". - barre ludvigsen <borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no>
From: albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: specmark test for NeXTstep Date: 8 May 1993 01:01:10 +0300 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sem76$7q0@cc.tut.fi> Keywords: specmark This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen Subject says it all. Does anyone know where to find a source code for specmark test? At least UnixWorld uses it and it would be nice to compare systems when you know how much your own computer gives.. -Juha
From: penney@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu (Chris Penney) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PasteUp Date: 7 May 1993 22:44:54 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1seop6$10o0@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Where can I ftp the latest release of PasteUp? I've heard there have been a lot of bug fixes... we have a registered version. -=Chris=-
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Re: Executive Briefing / SCaN Meeting Summary (May 4) Distribution: world Message-ID: <dillon.0xox@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> References: <C6L1ry.396@csulb.edu> Date: 7 May 93 11:02:49 PST Organization: Not an Organization >In article <C6L1ry.396@csulb.edu> mahoney@csulb.edu (Mike Mahoney) writes: >On Tuesday 4 May NeXT presented an executive briefing at the Westin-Bonaventure >in downtown Los Angeles to 120-130 people. There were lots of developers, >... This is a very positive indication! Now it just needs to get out there... -Matt > >-- >- Mike Mahoney, SCaN President > Professor and Chair > Computer Engineering and Computer Science Dept > California State University, Long Beach > Long Beach, CA 90840-8302 -- Matthew Dillon dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US 1005 Apollo Way uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: New Submission: SLIPCommander v3.2 Message-ID: <1993May7.223539.15288@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 22:35:39 GMT Hi, I've submitted SLIPCommander v32. with some minor bugs fixed to cs.orst.edu under /pub/next/submission. It may be moved to /pub/next/binaries/comm by the operator in a few days. Will also try to put in on sonata.cc.purdue.edu.... :-( Welcome to SLIPCommander3.2! This is a maintenance upgrade to the previous SLIPCommander 3.0+. Remote TimeSync is now available in this version. SLIPCommander contains lots of great ideas that you would ever think of doing over your SLIP connection. Check this out if you are a serious SLIPper. CheckSums ========= nextbaby> ls -l SLIPCommander3.2.tar -rw-r--r-- 1 garyc 573440 May 7 17:18 SLIPCommander3.2.tar nextbaby> sum SLIPCommander3.2.tar 14217 560 Version 3.2 Improvements & bug fixed ==================================== * The bug with long Clock hostname is fixed. * When DiskMirror a local files/directory to remote disk, root privilege is no longer required to untar backup files on remote sites. ================= From About.rtfd ============================================ SLIPCommander.app is a NeXTStep Interface to the SLIP commands provided in the TransSys DialUpIP SLIP package by Louis A. Mamakos. Installation of the latest SLIP_v1.pkg version 920904 is highly recommended. SLIPCommander simplifies the SLIP connection/disconnection process as well as 'rlogin' and retrieving mails from multiple remote sites. A set of very informative panel buttons are used to provide a NeXTStep looks & feels Interface. All the features are further enhanced by a built-in CRON that can be set to download mails and news while you are away from your NeXT. And the Backup Plan creates a Mirroring disk of your local NeXT on your SLIP connected remote account. Multiple sites mail retrieval and rlogin are no longer a hassle. Plus the TimeSync with remote host via your SLIP connection. If you use SLIP connection a lot, you will find SLIPCommander a very sexy companion along with your NeXT. So, don't SLIP out without SLIPCommander. What's in the SLIPCommander? ============================ * TimeSync with remote time keeper. * Toggle SLIP with connection/disconnection button. * NeXTMails are always just a 'click' away. * Auto-redial within time-out on a busy phone line . * Monitoring your SLIP connection status. * Toll-Saver clock showing the total connection time. * Retrieving Mails from multiple accounts on remote sites. * Need more dock space? Automatically 'rlogin' into remote sites using Stuart. * Backup plan for remote to/from local storage backups (Disk Mirroring). * CRON clock, a silent worker, which wakes up at a specific time to do things such as retrieving mails, downloading news, ftp, backups, synchronize system clock,...,etc. -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.misc From: bebeada@elof.iit.edu (Adam Beberg) Subject: HELP!...missing header files... Message-ID: <1993May8.002857.22055@iitmax.iit.edu> Summary: lost headers.. Sender: Adam Beberg Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago Date: Sat, 8 May 93 00:28:57 GMT hello, my problem: i'm using cc and trying to compile POVray.. and i need the header file that defines the math co-processor error conditions DOMAIN,UNDERFLOW,SING,OVERFLOW i have grep'ed etc. every file on the machine with no luck. Machine: NeXT 68040, NeXT Mach && bsd 4.3 if anyone out there in NeXTland can help please mail me the header or a site where i can FTP it from. thanks in advance Adam Beberg bebeada@elof.acc.iit.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emergency... Emergency... There's an emergency going on... It's still going on.. It's still an emergency... This is an emergency announcement... ))) In Stereo Where Available (((
From: next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,,comp.sys.next.misc,,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: More hardware for NS/i from May. Message-ID: <c7e83B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 93 19:59:47 CDT Organization: TCS Consulting Services I spoke with some people at next and have some information on supported hardware for the release. There is probably more, but this is what I got in just a couple of minutes. SCSI Controllers: Adaptec 1540/42B (ISA) Adaptec 1540/42C (ISA) DPT 2012 series (EISA) Bus Logic 747 (EISA) Network Cards Intel Ether Express SMC Ether Elite 3com 509 The 3com will work, but requires some special configuration of NEXTSTEP. The others work much better. The Intel Ether Express is the card of choice it appears. It has a larger buffer and gives better performance than the others. The SMC is right up there with the Intel, but it has a slightly smaller buffer and that is just enough to give the Intel the advantage. The 3com is actually a faster card, but because of its small buffer, some configuration is needed. Remember the advice about getting EISA for sound? Here's why. The only supported card right now is the Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum 16. The weaknesses of the ISA bus cause some problems with the card under NS. The clincher is that NT has the exact same problem. It's the ISA bus's fault that causes it. The EISA bus handles the interupts much better. The DeviceDriver Kit is on the developer's CD-ROM, but there are not examples. The examples and such are expected to be out around June to August sometime. The person admitted that until the examples, it probably will be difficult to produce effective drivers. That's it about now.. Greg Youngblood ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS: NeXTSTEP-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Re: NXHost and SLIP Message-ID: <1993May8.012203.17800@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA References: <118709@bu.edu> Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 01:22:03 GMT In article <118709@bu.edu> ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Mike Amirault) writes: > > > ambi> /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail -NXHost machine.bu.edu > To fetch your NeXT mail on the remote sites is one of the major purposes of SLIPCommander. All you need is give the hostname and accountname along with the passsward in the preference setup. Then click the Mail button and watch all mails flow from every site downto your local NeXT account. Simple and easy.... With SLIP, I am connected to internet that I seldom need to access or rlogin to remote NeXTs at all, except for backup purpose. (provided that you have all your NeXTwares installed on local HD) -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: "Stone Art 93 WINNERS! Announced" Message-ID: <1993May7.192950.547@stone.com> Date: 7 May 93 19:29:50 GMT Article-I.D.: stone.1993May7.192950.547 References: <OTTO.93May6155528@epr.jyu.fi> Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp In article <OTTO.93May6155528@epr.jyu.fi> otto@epr.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes: > In article <1993May2.193056.313@stone.com> andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) writes: > First Place (Free round trip to NeXTWORLD EXPO): > ----------------------------------------------- > Tyler Janisch for his soulful interpretation of Philip K Dick's tragic > anti hero from Blade Runner, Roy Batty. > > There were some great entries in all three product categories, and we look > forward to you all coming by the Castle at Expo to get a look! > > Will these winning entries be made available to the net users, as going to > the expo is a bit expensive from this corner of the globe... > -- I'll stick them on ftp.cs.unm.edu in pub/stone/StoneArt_93 Expo week. andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: seungwoo@exa.cs.umn.edu (Seung-Woo Kim) Subject: Re: NXHost and SLIP Message-ID: <seungwoo.736846958@exa> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <118709@bu.edu> <1993May8.012203.17800@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 07:42:38 GMT In <1993May8.012203.17800@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) writes: > To fetch your NeXT mail on the remote sites is one of the major >purposes of SLIPCommander. All you need is give the hostname and >accountname along with the passsward in the preference setup. Then click >the Mail button and watch all mails flow from every site downto your local >NeXT account. Simple and easy.... > With SLIP, I am connected to internet that I seldom need to access >or rlogin to remote NeXTs at all, except for backup purpose. (provided >that you have all your NeXTwares installed on local HD) I have been using a C-shell script to download mails from remote hosts, and it seems that SLIPCommander use a similar approach. It helps. The problem tho is the outgoing mails including replying. And sometimes, I want to save messages to remote hosts. That's why I am also trying to use Mail -NXHost xx. Still no luck. I ended up using elm mostly on remote hosts. :( Seung-Woo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Sending NeXT-Mails via SLIP Message-ID: <1993May8.073201.23880@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 07:32:01 GMT Hi, I have received several questions regarding sending NeXT-Mails as well as receiving them via SLIP. NO, you don't need to go thru -NXHost just to send NeXT-Mails. There's a great article by our buddy John Landwehr which mentioned several ways to deal with it. It's on sonata.cc.purdue.edu under /pub/next/docs/SLIP_PPP_Paper.ps.Z If you don't mind about the return address, the easiest way to send out NeXT-Mail is to add "mailhost" as an alias to your mailserver using HostManager. a modified version of sendmail.cf may be needed to change your From/Return address. g -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (NeXT-Mail O.K.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1rscq3$8kv@hpscit.sc.hp.com> <1rub0tINNhdv@golden.kaleida.com> <1sdg2g$2f8@toad.mrj.com> Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 09:23:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1993May8.092346.1152@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1sdg2g$2f8@toad.mrj.com> dbbrown@toad.mrj.com (Dan Brown) writes: >>>I don't think it's the case any more. For 3.1, it looks like >>> >>>User Version = NOT fat = $75 >>>Dev Version = FAT = $99 >>> >>>So the developer CD probably won't have the user version on it, just the >>>developer stuff. >>> >>>Paul >>>................................................................... >>>Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! >>>Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com > >I sent mail to Brett Bachman at NeXT asking for clarification on the 3.1 >for NeXT Hardware release and here is his response. I hope this clears things >up for every one. > No, sorry! I thought I understood it until this latest message: > Dan Brown >------------------- >From Brett_Bachman@NeXT.COM Wed May 5 15:37:04 1993 >[...] >If you buy the development tools, NEXTSTEP Developer, for $1995, you get a >MAB CD, complete technical documentation, and a right-to-use license for a PC >or a Motorola computer. If you buy the Motorola 3.0 upgrade for $99, you get >a Motorola-only CD, no hardcopy documentation, and a right-to-use license for >your Motorola computer only. > This mentions the "3.0 upgrade" - is that a typo, does it refer to the 3.1 upgrade? If so, it means it's not fat. I thought there was going to be a 3.1 developer tool upgrade that was fat and sold for $99. This message appears to contradict that. Dave Griffiths
From: rabahya@yang.earlham.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Question: Shell windows Message-ID: <1993May8.130320.23265@yang.earlham.edu> Date: 8 May 93 13:03:20 EST Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana HI I'm trying to add some lines to my .login file or .??? file so that whenever I log into my account I get two new shell windows open and running specific apps in specific dirs. . I know that I can use the prefrences under the workspace menu to open one terminal window whenever I log in, but I need to have two or three shells running at the same time and it would be nice if I don't have to open them and set them up whenever I login. Please email me to one of my addresses. Thanks! |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Jack Rabah | RabahYa@Yang.Earlham.EDU | (317)- | | Earlham College, Drawer # 1542 | RabahYa@Yang.bitnet | 973- | | Richmond, IN 47374 | JACK@math.Earlham.EDU | 2016 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
From: albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted: Steve Jobs' and Pat Gallup's pictures in TIFF Date: 8 May 1993 22:06:41 +0300 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sh0c1$na7@cc.tut.fi> This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen Has anyone got Steve Jobs's or Pat Gallups's pictures in TIFF? They are on an old NeXTworld NeXTconnection's ad. If you've got them, please e-mail them to me. I'd prefer 24 bit color pictures, but gray pics would do just fine, too. -Juha
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kafkouli@serss0 (George Kafkoulis) Subject: NS2.1->3.0->3.1(dev)$295+75+99? Organization: Florida International University, Miami Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 20:01:07 GMT Message-ID: <C6q4xw.JM7@fiu.edu> Summary: clarification needed Sender: news@fiu.edu (Usenet Administrator) Hi all I need a clarification: Is the upgrade from NS2.x Extended to NS3.0 Extended Rel. $295 intil May 25? Or it is $295 only for the End User Version? Thanks in advance George Kafkoulis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Message-ID: <1993May8.191508.1828@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com Organization: Digital Fix Development References: <1993May8.092346.1152@prim> Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 19:15:08 GMT Dave Griffiths writes > > > > This mentions the "3.0 upgrade" - is that a typo, does it refer to the 3.1 > upgrade? If so, it means it's not fat. I thought there was going to be a 3.1 > developer tool upgrade that was fat and sold for $99. This message appears to > contradict that. > > Dave Griffiths I posted a message in comp.sys.next.announce for Conrad at Next the other day. The 3.0 to 3.1 UPGRADE developer is not FAT. Since it is only an upgrade, that makes sense. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mesa 1.4 rev 147 and NS/Intel PR2 Date: 8 May 1993 21:14:44 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1sh7s5$83b@hermes.athena.com> Hello, As you know, Mesa 1.4 was the first shipping commercial app that runs on both NeXT and NS/Intel machines. Mesa 1.4 rev 147 was compiled and runs on NS/Intel PR1. NeXT claims that NS/Intel PR2 is not binary compatible with PR1. We have recompiled Mesa for PR2 (this is 1.4 rev 149), however, rev 147 seems to work just fine under PR2. If any of you are using PR2 and experience any odd behavior with Mesa 1.4 rev 147, please send mail. Thanks and See you at Expo. David
From: kent@infoserv.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Audio recording and storage Message-ID: <C6puu7.185@infoserv.com> Date: 8 May 93 16:22:54 GMT References: <1sb8fq$1du@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting In article <1sb8fq$1du@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) writes: > I am think of using SoundWorks to record multiple track recordings. > I am wondering what the storage requirments are going to be for > editing and recording audio(stereo) sound. I work with video and > am familiar with the 10-15-20 meg a minute video can eat up so don't > be bashful about telling me what it takes 10 Megs per minute. I use SoundWorks 3.0 (also a beta tested it). The program works well but it still isn't great for multitrack recording because you can't play and record at the same time. It is possible to record and play they just haven't implemented it. I think it's one of the things they plan to put in. THe program can be used for what you would like you just have to run two copies of the program. 1 to record and another to play back. You will also need to put a tone or spike at the beginning of each track for alignment. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Use of gzip in installer packages Date: 9 May 1993 18:04:00 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1sjh2gINN709@gap.caltech.edu> I just noticed in the Rocks package a file called "pre_install", which is executed (of course) before installing. This solves the use-of-gzip-for-installer-packages problem. You simply include a copy of the gzip executable (maybe a fat binary if it's a fat package), and have pre_install ungzip (de-z) and recompress (re-Z) the tar file. This allows the package to take up (often considerably) less space on either disk or the ftp sites. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 4 bytes of amusement Date: 9 May 1993 18:47:28 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1sjjk0$ec7@hermes.athena.com> The "Magic Number" for NS Fat binaries is 0xcafebabe. I wonder who the babe and where the cafe was that inspired the magic number.
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Clear up pricing for me... Date: 10 May 1993 00:55:24 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <1sk95t$j6c@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <1sca95$fbe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1993May07.033509.13764@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> <1sdvtpINN1kr@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> In article <1sdvtpINN1kr@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: > >In article <1993May07.033509.13764@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: >>In article <1sca95$fbe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> >>jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: >>> Now, I've got the User's Version of 3.0, but I'd be >>> interested in getting a Developer's Version. > >>Also you have >>User but you own Developer, the developer version simply wouldn't fit on >>your HD. > >Seems like NeXT is recommending upgrading to 3.0 prior to 3.1, so you should >probably see how much space 3.0 Developer requires before moving on to 3.1. Sorry about all this confusion. Since I'm installing 3.0 on this old `030 beast, I only managed to get it really working the other day. I hadn't had time to go poking around until this weekend. I then discovered the Developers Package and installed it, no problem. So please disregard my above misstatement about 3.0 "User". Thanks! Joe P.S.: From everything I can tell, the upgrade will be ~$175. ($75 for the User's version, $100 more for Developer) -- __________ | jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Dr. Sam Beckett put things right that once went wrong. `---- | You can do the same. Help save Quantum Leap!!!
From: dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Plotting Statistical Data Message-ID: <14643@news.duke.edu> Date: 10 May 93 02:38:06 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu I've been having problems fighting with Improv/Presentation Builder this evening that I wonder if something else might be available. I've got a series of diagnostic testing data with their discriminant accuracy reported in sensitivities and specificities with 95% confidence intervals. To put it simply, I've got a point estimate with upper and lower bounds for a series of tests that need to be plotted out in the following fashion: Magnetic Resonance Angio | ---*- | Carotid Duplex | -----*-- | Carotid Artery Doppler | --*---- | ____________________________________ 0 0.5 1.0 Sensitivity You get the idea. If I use the Stock option in Improv/PB, it always wants to force the sensitivity/specificity onto the y-axis, no matter how many times I tell it in the Improv Preferences to do otherwise. Any thoughts? Peace (from The Physician Who Mungs Unix Well) Meanwhile, my wife (The Unix/NextSTEP Programming Goddess) is creating icons by the dozen on a neighboring machine. Zounds, it's late on a Sunday night and we're playing with our NeXT's. What a relationship!! -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4 bytes of amusement Date: 10 May 1993 04:19:01 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <1skl3lINNenn@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <1sjjk0$ec7@hermes.athena.com> In article <1sjjk0$ec7@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: >The "Magic Number" for NS Fat binaries is 0xcafebabe. I wonder who the babe >and where the cafe was that inspired the magic number. Cool. Just one question: What is a "magic number"? RWW. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) "[The Pentium] is the most important computer architecture in the known universe." from Byte Mag., May 1993. (What a load of crock!)
From: michael@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Date: 9 May 1993 22:41:18 GMT Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands Message-ID: <1sk1ae$ci@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1993May8.191508.1828@digifix.com> In article <1993May8.191508.1828@digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > I posted a message in comp.sys.next.announce for Conrad at Next the > other day. The 3.0 to 3.1 UPGRADE developer is not FAT. Since it is only an > upgrade, that makes sense. I guess NeXT will want us developers to ship separate binaries for Motorola and Intel machines as well then? Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: Rocks.pkg corrupted? Message-ID: <1993May10.052947.6279@venice.sedd.trw.com> Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <1993May6.094625.4916@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 05:29:47 GMT Gary I. Chang (garyc@eecs.nwu.edu) wrote: : I got the following error while installing rock.pkg. Anyone got a : correct version? : : Installing /Users/garyc/Apps/Rocks.app/English.lproj/Game.nib/data.nib : .. OK. : **** directory checksum error (1067 != 5244) : **** There were errors while installing Rocks.pkg. : .. errors. I got the same thing trying to install under 2.1. It works fine under 3.0! Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Message-ID: <1993May10.055326.743@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com Organization: Digital Fix Development References: <1sk1ae$ci@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 05:53:26 GMT Michael Brouwer writes > In article <1993May8.191508.1828@digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott > Anguish) writes: > > I posted a message in comp.sys.next.announce for Conrad at Next the > > other day. The 3.0 to 3.1 UPGRADE developer is not FAT. Since it is only an > > upgrade, that makes sense. > > I guess NeXT will want us developers to ship separate binaries for Motorola and > Intel machines as well then? > I think that is the kind of choice an individual organization will need to make. I would be willing to bet that will be a selling feature (being FAT), that would cost a third party developer very little. Next has decided that the Upgrade, which is for users of Black hardware is not going to run on Intel. That makes sense because it is an upgrade. Since you can't buy Next hardware new, and all Next hardware out there has at least one version of system available on it, there will never be a "retail" version, only upgrades. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: Re: Clear up pricing for me... Message-ID: <1993May10.071700.26007@alf.uib.no> Organization: University of Bergen, Norway References: <1sk95t$j6c@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 93 07:17:00 GMT jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: : In article <1sdvtpINN1kr@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: : > : >In article <1993May07.033509.13764@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: : >>In article <1sca95$fbe@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> : >>jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: : : Sorry about all this confusion. Since I'm installing 3.0 on this old : `030 beast, I only managed to get it really working the other day. I : : Thanks! : Joe : : P.S.: From everything I can tell, the upgrade will be ~$175. ($75 : for the User's version, $100 more for Developer) : -- : __________ | jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu : | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" : \_/OE | \EISS | Dr. Sam Beckett put things right that once went wrong. : `---- | You can do the same. Help save Quantum Leap!!! Will 3.1 run on 030 machines? How long will NeXT be supporting the 030 architecture? Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: system@arsenal.com (captain) Subject: A Video Toaster Under NeXTSTEP? Anything similar? Message-ID: <B4Xa4B1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Sun, 9 May 1993 23:41:10 GMT Howdy, What can I say about the NewTek Video Toaster that hasn't been said already? Like, WHOA! DUDE! etc.. Now, this incredibly useful piece of hardware is on my "great desires" list, but I don't want to have to purchase an Amiga Computer. Why? They are great computers, but I am a die-hard NeXTSTEP user. I am aware that NewTek offers a system for network the NewTek Video Toaster from an Amiga to a Macintosh, but there is no similar situation for the PC<->Amiga. Anyhow, thats a bit of a lame system for using the Toaster on a Macintosh. Now this is my question.. Is anyone in the Developer Community going (or are currently) planning on supporting and writing device drivers for a Video Overlay board that works under NeXTSTEP and offers a wealth of tools (wipes, dissolves, luminance, etc, etc, etc...) to work the Video with? Now why don't I just ask for no more taxes, death to be cured and bananas to stay ripe forever? I had to ask anyhow. I am aware of one company offering a Video Overlay board under NeXTSTEP/Intel that will be at Expo. I haven't gotten any more information on it, but I was so enthralled I had to ask for more. If you know of anyone or a video overlay board that performs quite well, please e-mail "captain@arsenal.com" and I will summarize what the grapevine has to offer. Thanks! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: Re: PPP for NeXT Message-ID: <C6rJB1.64C@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: PPP,ANDI,NeXT Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1qhh59$lkm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 9 May 1993 14:09:00 GMT In article <1qhh59$lkm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) writes: > > > I'm looking for PPP for my NeXT... Gary: You can ftp to morningstar.com and take a look at what they have in the way of PPP. We have been using their beta version 1.4 on a 25Mhz 040 machine and it works great. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gkj@jacobs.esd.ornl.gov (Gary K. Jacobs) Subject: Re: Plotting Statistical Data Message-ID: <1993May10.103841.21075@ornl.uucp> Sender: usenet@ornl.uucp (News poster) Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory References: <14643@news.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:38:41 GMT In article <14643@news.duke.edu> dblakele@hercules.acpub.duke.edu writes: > I've been having problems fighting with Improv/Presentation Builder > this evening that I wonder if something else might be available. > I've got a series of diagnostic testing data with their discriminant > accuracy reported in sensitivities and specificities with 95% > confidence intervals. To put it simply, I've got a point > estimate with upper and lower bounds for a series of tests that > need to be plotted out in the following fashion: > > > > Magnetic Resonance Angio | ---*- > | > Carotid Duplex | -----*-- > | > Carotid Artery Doppler | --*---- > | > ____________________________________ > 0 0.5 1.0 > > Sensitivity > > You get the idea. If I use the Stock option in Improv/PB, it always + stuff deleted Try SciPlot. You can specify X or Y error bars. It was written ny M. Wesemann of Germany. $35 to register as a user. It should be on sonata. I am simply a satisifed user. --- gary k. jacobs Earth & Atmospheric Sciences Oak Ridge National Laboratory
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Magic numbers, was Re: 4 bytes of amusement Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 08:09:26 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <wfvYLqu00WB6AQMNgU@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1skl3lINNenn@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 10-May-93 Re: 4 bytes of amusement by Robert Wong@unixg.ubc.ca > > In article <1sjjk0$ec7@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) > writes > >>The "Magic Number" for NS Fat binaries is 0xcafebabe. I wonder who the >> babe and where the cafe was that inspired the magic number. > > Cool. Just one question: What is a "magic number"? It's programming jargon for a number which is used to verify that some structured piece of information is what it appears to be and has not been corrupted. For example, your machine will only attempt to execute binary images if they start with "0xfeedface" or "0xcafebabe". Other magic numbers are used to identify things like tiff and gif images, compressed information, archives, and so forth. There's a program called file that will do a reasonable job of identifying the type of a file based on these magic numbers. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
From: albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Clear up pricing for me... Date: 10 May 1993 16:37:57 +0300 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1sllrl$567@cc.tut.fi> References: <1sk95t$j6c@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <1993May10.071700.26007@alf.uib.no> This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen >Will 3.1 run on 030 machines? How long will NeXT be supporting the 030 >architecture? Thor, when you do something correctly (I mean software), it doesn't need any special concern about supporting some particular CPU board. It just works. That's why NeXTstep is so easy to port different environments. -Juha
From: caam1010@servus11.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Matthias Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.porogrammer Subject: Re: Are the Announcements coming through? Date: 10 May 1993 14:43:15 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <1slpm3$pt8@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> To: decuac::"sanguish@digifix.com" Yes, the announcements are coming thru. At least I can read over here in Stuttgart, Germany! Greetings, Matthias -- Matthias Boehringer Inst. f. Anorg. Chemie Matthias.Boehringer@rus.uni-stuttgart.de Uni Stuttgart Pfaffenwaldring 55 no NeXTmail, please D 7000 Stuttgart 80
From: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Rocks.pkg corrupted? Date: 10 May 1993 16:26:59 GMT Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1slvojINNg2@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993May10.052947.6279@venice.sedd.trw.com> In article <1993May10.052947.6279@venice.sedd.trw.com> verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes: > Gary I. Chang (garyc@eecs.nwu.edu) wrote: > : I got the following error while installing rock.pkg. Anyone got a > : correct version? > : > : Installing /Users/garyc/Apps/Rocks.app/English.lproj/Game.nib/data.nib > : .. OK. > : **** directory checksum error (1067 != 5244) > : **** There were errors while installing Rocks.pkg. > : .. errors. > > I got the same thing trying to install under 2.1. It works fine > under 3.0! > > Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok I get a checksum error under 3.0 using Opener.app -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "Don't ever put your brain on a runaway train 'cause it won't be coming back!" - Mad At The World.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: asm@eecg.toronto.edu (Anees S. Munshi) Subject: Re: DSP Tutorials (Jean Laroche?) needed Message-ID: <1993May10.131738.23579@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Organization: Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto Date: 10 May 93 17:17:38 GMT Thank you all for your replies to my question. I'm sorry I could not respond to everyone because of the sheer number of responses I received. Once again, thank you. For those who wanted me to forward the info I received, here's one reply: > ftp ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu (login as anonymous, password as your email address) > cd /pub/DSP > binary > get JeanLaroche.tar.Z Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anees Munshi, University of Toronto, Department of Electrical Engineering Email:asm@eecg.toronto.edu (NeXTMail accepted) Telephone: 416.929.5754 (Toronto), Fax: 416.929.5744 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jdeclari@is.rpslmc.edu (John-William DeClaris) Subject: Changing login windows Message-ID: <1993May10.174128.7673@rpslmc.edu> Sender: news@rpslmc.edu Organization: Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 17:41:28 GMT I saw a next with a different login window. Rather than having the standard steel grey user/password entry window on a colored background, this person had put an image. I would like to try and do that but I do not know where to start. Does anyone have any ideas/ Thanks. -- John-William DeClaris All comments made by me are mine and not reflective of RUSH or anyone else... even any spelling errors I most likely made. Live each day as if it were your last, because someday it will be.
From: mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Question: Shell windows Message-ID: <mdixon.737055692@thelonius> Date: 10 May 93 17:41:32 GMT References: <1993May8.130320.23265@yang.earlham.edu> Sender: news@parc.xerox.com Organization: Xerox PARC > ... I need to have two or three shells running at the same time and > it would be nice if I don't have to open them and set them up whenever > I login. get Stuart (shareware, on all the major archives). it's better than Terminal in every way, including this one. .mike.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jdeclari@is.rpslmc.edu (John-William DeClaris) Subject: Viruses Message-ID: <1993May10.180257.8061@rpslmc.edu> Sender: news@rpslmc.edu Organization: Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 18:02:57 GMT Have there ben any document viruses that have infected a NeXT? -- John-William DeClaris All comments made by me are mine and not reflective of RUSH or anyone else... even any spelling errors I most likely made. Live each day as if it were your last, because someday it will be.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd) Subject: Re: Rocks.pkg corrupted? Message-ID: <1993May10.181427.29870@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York References: <1993May10.052947.6279@venice.sedd.trw.com> <1slvojINNg2@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 93 18:14:27 GMT In <1slvojINNg2@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: >In article <1993May10.052947.6279@venice.sedd.trw.com> >verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes: >> Gary I. Chang (garyc@eecs.nwu.edu) wrote: >> : I got the following error while installing rock.pkg. Anyone got a >> : correct version? >> : >> : Installing /Users/garyc/Apps/Rocks.app/English.lproj/Game.nib/data.nib >> : .. OK. >> : **** directory checksum error (1067 != 5244) >> : **** There were errors while installing Rocks.pkg. >> : .. errors. >> >> I got the same thing trying to install under 2.1. It works fine >> under 3.0! >> >> Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok >I get a checksum error under 3.0 using Opener.app >-- >David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu >"Don't ever put your brain on a runaway train 'cause it won't be coming back!" >- Mad At The World. Download it using "B"inary mode in FTP, and you won't have any problems. However, if you have renamed yor machine by only changing the "/etc/hostconfig" name line, you'll need a newer version of Rocks. The people at Smartsoft were extremely helpful in finding out why my copy on my standalone machine wasn't working. -- John Todd | University of Rochester, Rochester NY | NRA & Pro-Choice CPU 276686 | "Charracter is whata you arre ina the dark!" - E. Lizardo Rochester NY 14627| Jeeps Bought/Sold * Dictators Overthrown * Bombs Defused jtod@alora.cc.rochester.edu (NeXT mail) jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NewsGrazer question Date: 10 May 1993 18:41:50 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sm7le$ol3@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: mthreads I'm running NewsGrazer Release 2.0, Version 72.2, and have just been informed that my news server "is now using the NOV database and would like to get rid of mthreads soon." Does that mean anything for me, e.g., does NewsGrazer use NOV or mthreads? E-mail appreciated. Thanks! -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4 bytes of amusement Message-ID: <SCOTT.93May10124002@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 10 May 93 12:40:02 References: <1sjjk0$ec7@hermes.athena.com> Organization: Is a sign of weakness In-reply-to: dpp@athena.com's message of 9 May 1993 18:47:28 GMT In article <1sjjk0$ec7@hermes.athena.com>, dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: >The "Magic Number" for NS Fat binaries is 0xcafebabe. I wonder who >the babe and where the cafe was that inspired the magic number. Probably the same restaurant at which they 0xfeedface with 0xdeadbeef. [In other words, there's probably a good chance that these numbers are from the Mach project.] Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
From: bbeckwit@carrock.hw.stratus.com (Bob Beckwith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 4 bytes of amusement Date: 10 May 1993 20:55:50 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Message-ID: <1smfgm$4fp@transfer.stratus.com> References: <1sjjk0$ec7@hermes.athena.com> <SCOTT.93May10124002@nic.gac.edu> In article <SCOTT.93May10124002@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: >In article <1sjjk0$ec7@hermes.athena.com>, > dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: >>The "Magic Number" for NS Fat binaries is 0xcafebabe. I wonder who >>the babe and where the cafe was that inspired the magic number. > >Probably the same restaurant at which they 0xfeedface with 0xdeadbeef. > >[In other words, there's probably a good chance that these numbers >are from the Mach project.] I think not. It is my understanding, from talking with someone at NeXT who should know, that the Mach-O file format was developed there. That would imply that the use of 0xFEEDFACE (as the Mach-O magic number) originated at NeXT, not CMU (although one of two people who defined the Mach-O file format did "originate" from CMU). And from talking to the same person, I got the impression that he spent a lot of time before deciding on 0xCAFEBABE (FYI, he did not disclose a "babe" or "cafe"). --Bob Bob_Beckwith@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc., Hardware Engineering 55 Fairbanks Blvd. Marlboro, MA 01752
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kwang@data.acs.calpoly.edu (Kevin John Wang) Subject: Re: NXHost and SLIP Message-ID: <1993May10.223943.127983@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo References: <118709@bu.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 22:39:43 GMT ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Mike Amirault) writes: > > Has anybody gotten NXHost to work with a SLIP connection? I think I've > set averything up correctly. I have set the pulic window server on and > setup .rhosts files on both machines. I can rlogin without a password > check both ways so I know that part is right. > > But, when I try the following command: > > ambi> /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail -NXHost machine.bu.edu > > I get the following error: > > DPS client library error: Could not form connection, host machine.bu.edu > >Anyone know what's wrong? Anyone gotten this to work under 3.0 and SLIP? > > Please reply to ambi@it-next2.bu.edu. I too have tried this, but I haven't put much effort into this. I have a 38.4kb slip link, so I don't see what the bottleneck could be, unless the NXHost requires a sizably larger connection, which I doubt... I'll play with it abit more tonight... - Kevin
From: murphy@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (William J. Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: More hardware for NS/i from May. Message-ID: <10132@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> Date: 10 May 93 20:02:29 GMT References: <c7e83B2w165w@tcscs.com> Sender: news@dirac.physics.purdue.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: Purdue University Physics Department In article <c7e83B2w165w@tcscs.com> next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes: >Remember the advice about getting EISA for sound? Here's why. The only >supported card right now is the Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum 16. The >weaknesses of the ISA bus cause some problems with the card under NS. The >clincher is that NT has the exact same problem. It's the ISA bus's fault that >causes it. The EISA bus handles the interupts much better. Having worked with PC's and ISA boards which are attempting to handle audio at CD bandwidths for the past 7 or 8 years, I have to wonder whether or not there are problems with using/programming the DMA transfers for the multimedia audio boards. The advantage of an EISA board is that you have more DMA channels to choose from rather than DMA channels 5,6 and 7 on ISA. Would anyone know whether the video cards also use the DMA channels 5,6 or 7? I don't know diddly about the PC video. -- Bill Murphy | The Call of the Norwegian Whipperwil: | "I tink so, I tink so, probably." wjm4@niobbs1.em.cdc.gov | "I dunno, I dunno, who can tell."
From: rabahya@yang.earlham.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Maintaining Prefrences settings. Message-ID: <1993May10.205852.23293@yang.earlham.edu> Date: 10 May 93 20:58:52 EST Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana Hi you NeXT wizards out there !! I'm having a problem with the settings of my prefrences (mouse, sound, keyboard.. etc) Whenever I login I have to set these things and then after I logout they go back to somekind of a default setting, and it's a pain setting them everytime I login... Any suggestions to what could be causing this problem? Thanks... |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Jack Rabah |RabahYa@Yang.Earlham.EDU | (317)- | | Earlham College, Drawer # 1542 |RabahYa@Yang.bitnet | 973- | | Richmond, IN 47374 |JACK@math.Earlham.EDU (NeXT)| 2016| |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Viruses Message-ID: <1993May11.031125.13373@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993May10.180257.8061@rpslmc.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 03:11:25 GMT In article <1993May10.180257.8061@rpslmc.edu> jdeclari@is.rpslmc.edu (John-William DeClaris) writes: >Have there ben any document viruses that have infected a NeXT? No--however, NeXT's promise to make DOS/Windows emulation part of the product would change that--enabling over 2000 known viruses to wreak havoc. Of course, the usual PeeCee virus checkers should work as expected... -=EPS=- -- There are ten times as many PeeCees as Macintoys "out there." There are SEVENTY times as many PeeCee viruses.
Control: cancel <1993May11.030918.13222@csus.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: cancel <1993May11.030918.13222@csus.edu> Message-ID: <1993May11.031656.13632@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 03:16:56 GMT Oops!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: 4 bytes of amusement Message-ID: <1993May11.043605.29001@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 93 04:36:05 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1smfgm$4fp@transfer.stratus.com> In article <1smfgm$4fp@transfer.stratus.com> bbeckwit@carrock.hw.stratus.com (Bob Beckwith) writes: > In article <SCOTT.93May10124002@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: > >In article <1sjjk0$ec7@hermes.athena.com>, > > dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: > >>The "Magic Number" for NS Fat binaries is 0xcafebabe. I wonder who > >>the babe and where the cafe was that inspired the magic number. > > > >Probably the same restaurant at which they 0xfeedface with 0xdeadbeef. > > > >[In other words, there's probably a good chance that these numbers > >are from the Mach project.] > > I think not. It is my understanding, from talking with someone at NeXT > who should know, that the Mach-O file format was developed there. That > would imply that the use of 0xFEEDFACE (as the Mach-O magic number) > originated at NeXT, not CMU (although one of two people who defined the > Mach-O file format did "originate" from CMU). And from talking to the > same person, I got the impression that he spent a lot of time before > deciding on 0xCAFEBABE (FYI, he did not disclose a "babe" or "cafe"). Sorry for my ignorance but what is a magic number? -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Message-ID: <1993May11.044125.29082@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 93 04:41:25 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1993May10.055326.743@digifix.com> In article <1993May10.055326.743@digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > Michael Brouwer writes > > In article <1993May8.191508.1828@digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott > > Anguish) writes: > > > I posted a message in comp.sys.next.announce for Conrad at Next the > > > other day. The 3.0 to 3.1 UPGRADE developer is not FAT. Since it is only > an > > > upgrade, that makes sense. > > > > I guess NeXT will want us developers to ship separate binaries for Motorola > and > > Intel machines as well then? > > > I think that is the kind of choice an individual organization will need > to make. I would be willing to bet that will be a selling feature (being FAT), > that would cost a third party developer very little. Next has decided that the > Upgrade, which is for users of Black hardware is not going to run on Intel. > That makes sense because it is an upgrade. Since you can't buy Next hardware > new, and all Next hardware out there has at least one version of system > available on it, there will never be a "retail" version, only upgrades. My guess is that it has to do with CD vs. Disk, if Disks can be used by staying thin then they do, otherwise Fat and Cd are used. Possibly it could also have to do with 3.0 not being able to read a fat 3.1 file (I seem to have heard that 3.0 could and that 3.0 couldn't read fat). Just a guess, -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NXHost and SLIP In-Reply-To: kwang@data.acs.calpoly.edu's message of Mon, 10 May 1993 22:39:43 GMT To: kwang@data.acs.calpoly.edu (Kevin John Wang) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93May10192246@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <118709@bu.edu> <1993May10.223943.127983@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 23:22:46 GMT In article <1993May10.223943.127983@zeus.calpoly.edu> kwang@data.acs.calpoly.edu (Kevin John Wang) writes: ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Mike Amirault) writes: > > Has anybody gotten NXHost to work with a SLIP connection? I think I've > set averything up correctly. I have set the pulic window server on and > setup .rhosts files on both machines. I can rlogin without a password > check both ways so I know that part is right. > > But, when I try the following command: > > ambi> /NextApps/Mail.app/Mail -NXHost machine.bu.edu > > I get the following error: > > DPS client library error: Could not form connection, host machine.bu.edu > >Anyone know what's wrong? Anyone gotten this to work under 3.0 and SLIP? > > Please reply to ambi@it-next2.bu.edu. I too have tried this, but I haven't put much effort into this. I have a 38.4kb slip link, so I don't see what the bottleneck could be, unless the NXHost requires a sizably larger connection, which I doubt... Well, as nobody else has posted the tried and true answer to this question over the past years so far let me just give you the summary: It is possible to -NXHost over SLIP. Due to certain problems with the way NXHost is implemented configuring a SLIP link for this to work is somewhat messy. Nobody does it more than once as the protocol needs far too much bandwidth to be usable even for the most simple tasks over a modem link using current technologies. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NewsGrazer question In-Reply-To: daugher@cs.tamu.edu's message of 10 May 1993 18:41:50 GMT To: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93May10164735@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1sm7le$ol3@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 20:47:35 GMT In article <1sm7le$ol3@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) writes: I'm running NewsGrazer Release 2.0, Version 72.2, and have just been informed that my news server "is now using the NOV database and would like to get rid of mthreads soon." Does that mean anything for me, e.g., does NewsGrazer use NOV or mthreads? That means nothing to you. As NewsGrazer is too primitive to do any kind of threading except by alphabetically sorted Subject: line, the change in thread database doesn't affect you in the slightest. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: PPP for NeXT Message-ID: <1993May10.123207.15086@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <C6rJB1.64C@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 12:32:07 GMT In article <C6rJB1.64C@nextsrv1.andi.org> bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) writes: > In article <1qhh59$lkm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> gary@msu.edu (Gary J > LaPointe) writes: > > > > > > I'm looking for PPP for my NeXT... > > Gary: > > You can ftp to morningstar.com and take a look at what they have in > the way of PPP. We have been using their beta version 1.4 on a 25Mhz > 040 machine and it works great. > Whats the position with the Morningstar stuff? Is it free, pd, or is the version you ftp a timed demo or something? -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: rabahya@yang.earlham.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Maintaining Prefrences settings.(solved) Message-ID: <1993May10.233049.23294@yang.earlham.edu> Date: 10 May 93 23:30:49 EST References: <1993May10.205852.23293@yang.earlham.edu> Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana In article <1993May10.205852.23293@yang.earlham.edu>, rabahya@yang.earlham.edu w > Hi you NeXT wizards out there !! > > I'm having a problem with the settings of my prefrences (mouse, sound, > keyboard.. etc) Whenever I login I have to set these things and then after I > logout they go back to somekind of a default setting, and it's a pain setting > them everytime I login... Any suggestions to what could be causing this > problem? > > Thanks... Well the respond that solved this problem was : > From: IN%"kent@mnementh.cs.mcgill.ca" "Kent Tse" > To: IN%"rabahya@YANG.EARLHAM.EDU" > CC: > Subj: RE: Maintaining Prefrences settings. > > Hello, > > Your problem seems to be that your home directory and your .NeXT > directory are not executable by everyone. Run the following > command and this should fix your problem permanently. > > % chmod og+x ~ ~/.NeXT > > This will give everyone execute permissions on your home > directory and the .NeXT directory which hold your preferences. > Hope this helps. > > - Kent Well what I did is I set the prev on my home dir: 1 drwx--x--x 14 jack other 1024 May 10 21:54 jack/ and on the .NeXT dir: 1 drwxr-xr-x 5 jack other 1024 May 10 22:00 .NeXT/ and this way my account would be protected and I'd be able to have the prefrences always set the way I like them to be !! Thanks for those of you who replied . |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Jack Rabah |RabahYa@Yang.Earlham.EDU |(317)- | | Earlham College, Drawer # 1542 |RabahYa@Yang.bitnet | 973- | | Richmond, IN 47374 |JACK@math.Earlham.EDU (NeXT)| 2016 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) Subject: 3.1 developer upgrade question Message-ID: <1993May11.062230.648@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Distribution: na Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 06:22:30 GMT If you do not need/want to produce fat binaries, do you need to buy the developer upgrade to 3.1? I know that the difference in price between the user and developer upgrades is minimal - but I'd like to save whatever money I can. What, beyond making fat binaries, does the developer upgrade provide? Thanks, - eric fortune fo6r@midway.uchicago.edu NeXTmail accepted but not preferred
From: begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Who designed the NeXT logo? Keywords: logo, designs, warfle warfle warfle Message-ID: <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu> Date: 11 May 93 08:52:00 GMT Article-I.D.: news.1snpfgINNfh6 Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Does anyone know who the designer(s) is that designed the NeXT tilted cube logo and when it orginated? I was looking through a book on publication design and there was a sample from a magazine that had a graphic that looked very similar to the NeXT logo. -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ``You can never have too many fonts.'' Abstract Software, publishers of WSI-Fonts Professional for NeXTSTEP e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Anyone heard of DPT 2012B SCSI card? (SUMMARY!!) Message-ID: <93May08.163138.42582@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sat, 08 May 93 16:31:38 GMT References: <C6L1ry.396@csulb.edu> <May06.194918.94615@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <C6MqE8.EID@acsu.buffalo.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Keywords: NEXTSTEP, NeXTWORLD Expo, NeXT, SCaN, User Groups > Our testing goes against the idea that the Adaptec is only > slightly worse than the DPT. On a quiet system I've done a disk > /dev/rsd0a with the inputs of "0,200,200,200" with an Adaptec > and gotten in the 930,000 bytes/sec range. Oddly enough that was my first el-cheapo benchmark too. Using an Adaptec 1542B with a Toshiba 1.2GB drive I got 1.8 MB / sec. > Today we were able to get three times that with our EISA > ATI/DPT system. And before you flame me I know that this is not > a true benchmark, and that this is also a function function of > drive performance. Oddly enough, we were only able to squeak about 1.9 MB / sec out of the DPT on the same machine with the same drive as the Adaptec. The only case where I got wonderful performance from the DPT was with repeated reads of the same area (where we got almost 5 MB / sec). We'll have to wait for the final release before getting any REALLY meaningful benchmarks, of course, but it would seem you're getting much worse performance than the Adaptec is capable of with the current release. Try the same benchmark again using the same machine and the same drive... -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
From: raghu@ifib1.ifib.uni-karlsruhe.de Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ACL 4.1 ObjC Example Works?? Date: 11 May 1993 12:35:33 GMT Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Message-ID: <1so6il$ejn@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am trying to get the ObjectiveC examples for Calculator and Evaluator to work, in Allegro Common Lisp 4.1 but they dont seem to work. Has anybody tried out these examples? ACL seems to choke on this statement in Calculator.cl ;;;Start up Allegro CL 4.1 >(load "Evaluator.cl") Error: Received signal number 10 (Bus error) The suspect line seems to be: (send NXApp "loadNibFile=owner=" (namestring (merge-pathnames "objc/Evaluator.nib" excl::*library-pathname*)) and the evaluation stack is ->(error "Received signal number ~s ~@[(~a)~]" 10 ...) (objc::do-send #S(objc::function-cache-block ...) ...) (eval (send NXApp "loadNibFile=owner=" ...)) (load "Evaluator.cl" :load-flags ...) (eval (load "Evaluator.cl")) (tpl:top-level-read-eval-print-loop) (tpl:start-interactive-top-level #<excl::bidirectional-terminal-stream @ #x291de9> #<Function top-level-read-eval-print-loop @ #x2c96d1> ...) Has anyone had the same problem before? Many thanks for your help. - Raghu R Bhat -- ************************************************************************** **** Raghu R Bhat bhat@ifib1.ifib.uni-karlsruhe.de PROJECT: FABEL off: 49 721 608 2168 res 68 66 36 IFIB, Uni-Karlsruhe, EnglerStr 7, 7500 Karlsruhe 1 GERMANY ************************************************************************** ****
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Maintaining Prefrences settings. Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 10:13:41 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <ofvvGJu00WB3J0g8Yc@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1993May10.205852.23293@yang.earlham.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 10-May-93 Maintaining Prefrences sett.. by rabahya@yang.earlham.edu > I'm having a problem with the settings of my prefrences (mouse, sound, > keyboard.. etc) Whenever I login I have to set these things and then after > I logout they go back to somekind of a default setting, and it's a pain > setting them everytime I login... Any suggestions to what could be causing > this problem? It's possible that you do not have the correct permissions to modify the appropriate files. To fix this, do a "chown -R <user> <homedir>" as superuser, where <user> is your login id and <homedir> is your home directory. Then, as yourself, do a "chmod -R u+rw <homedir>" to make sure that you can read and write to every file that you own. If you aren't administering the machine and can't become root then ask your system's admin to do the chown for you.... -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jcelam@confused (James Clifton Elam) Subject: Level 6 gold-digger help!!! Message-ID: <1993May11.142303.8449@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 14:23:03 GMT I've gotten to level six and cannot figure out how two things: 1> On the black-hole fall in the middle of the upper half of the screen... The way I'm getting to the three gold coins is by cutting out the rocks to the right of the stairs. Am I imagining things, or is there about one extra nano-second left-over to escape after cutting the rocks out and running up the stairs after the gold? 2> On the upper left hand side how do you get to the six gold coins? I've been trying to figure out a way to get the step-stool over there, but I can't exactly figure out how that would help anyway. In lieu of suggestions, I'd be happy with a HighScore setting I can fiddle with DefaultMgr! Help, help, help -- James "Cliff" Elam | jcelam%witsend@glv.com - NeXT mail! (919) 460-3240 (v,w) | NeXTStep/Intel + IB + DBKit @ $200 ! (919) 460-3295 (fax) | All I want to do is go home now, please.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Subject: Re: Viruses Message-ID: <1993May11.155840.3284@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University References: <1993May11.031125.13373@csus.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 15:58:40 GMT In article <1993May11.031125.13373@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > In article <1993May10.180257.8061@rpslmc.edu> > jdeclari@is.rpslmc.edu (John-William DeClaris) writes: > >Have there ben any document viruses that have infected a NeXT? > > No--however, NeXT's promise to make DOS/Windows emulation part of > the product would change that--enabling over 2000 known viruses > to wreak havoc. Of course, the usual PeeCee virus checkers > should work as expected... > > -=EPS=- > -- > There are ten times as many PeeCees as Macintoys "out there." > There are SEVENTY times as many PeeCee viruses. There's an easy remedy for that, I would think: Don't run PC software ... Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, Fax: (212)-305-6926 |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) Subject: Re: Who designed the NeXT logo? Message-ID: <C6vE6w.IwB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Keywords: logo, designs, warfle warfle warfle Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: CICA - Center for Innovative Computer Applications References: <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 16:08:56 GMT begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) writes: >Does anyone know who the designer(s) is that designed the NeXT tilted >cube logo and when it orginated? I was looking through a book on >publication design and there was a sample from a magazine that had a >graphic that looked very similar to the NeXT logo. I have a 20 page booklet that describes the design process of the NeXT logo. It has no title per se (just the letters n, e, x, t, but not in any fashion that resembles the logo), but on the first page is written, "The Sign of the Next Generation of Computers for Education." It is signed Paul Rand, Weston, Connecticut, Spring 1986. Todd -- NeXTmail: tagreen@cica.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: More on "How to print .eps files from a script?" --yet another solution Message-ID: <1993May11.153850.29371@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 15:38:50 GMT People may be interested in the following response to an e-mail message I got from the Net on this thread: =============================================================== Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 11 May 93 13:27:56 +0200 From: leo@ine.philips.nl |Last night I was unable to READ the man page for pslpr. [The man pages |are on a server and some joker (named Amitaba!) with a nonstandard umask |had previously man'd pslpr and left it in man/cat1 only readable by him.] In that case, go to the server and do a 'nroff -man /usr/man/man1/pslpr.1|more -s'. This will give you the info you need. Cheers, --------------------------------------------------------------- That's what I did, essentially (but without the nroff). BY THE WAY!, in checking just now how the nroff works (before sending this off), I re-read the manpage for pslpr. It turns out that it DOES work, printing landscape, if I add a little f to the line command: 'pslpr -Lf argD13.eps'. Amazing, what a little "forcing to proceed" will do! Thanks. Dick Silbar
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Changing login windows Message-ID: <1993May11.111930.4602@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 11:19:30 GMT References: <1993May10.174128.7673@rpslmc.edu> Sender: clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com Organization: GiantLeap Software John, Mail to you bounces. Here's your answer anyway... The easiest way to install loginscreens is: 1) su to root 2) dwrite loginwindow ImageFile <pathname/filename> Some people keep screens in one directory (such as /LocalLibrary/logins) 3) logout to login window. 4) for the user name enter: exit 4a)press return for the password This kills the window server and forces it to restart. It can take as long as five minutes on an '030 cube. If for some reason it hangs, and doesn't reload the login window, then you'll have to reboot. Charles. John-William DeClaris writes >I saw a next with a different login window. Rather than having the >standard steel grey user/password entry window on a colored background, >this person had put an image. I would like to try and do that but I do >not know where to start. Does anyone have any ideas/ Thanks. > >-- >John-William DeClaris >All comments made by me are mine and not reflective of RUSH >or anyone else... even any spelling errors I most likely made. >Live each day as if it were your last, because someday it will be. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 363-0887 (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pkim@cory.Berkeley.EDU (P. Kim) Subject: prebuild broken in 3.0? Message-ID: <1993May11.163610.25512@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Keywords: fonts, prebuild Sender: nntp@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (NNTP Poster) Organization: University of California, at Berkeley References: <1993May11.031125.13373@csus.edu> <1993May11.155840.3284@news.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 16:36:10 GMT i've got a font with a bunch of .bdf files which i'm trying to convert into a .bepf file (which the window server uses). according to the man page and docs, prebuild (in /usr/bin) should do the trick but, it seems to crash, outputing an incomplete .bepf file. screenafm seems to generate the appropriate .afm files given the same .bdf inputs which leads me to suspect that prebuild is broken. so, what i want to know is: 1) is prebuild broken under 3.0? 2) if so, does it work under 2.x? 3) if so, could someone mail it to me? thanks in advance, paul kim mtcoak!paul@netcom.com (NeXTmail ok) pkim@cory.berkeley.edu (no NeXTmail :( )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Subject: Re: More on "How to print .eps files from a script?" --yet another solution Message-ID: <1993May11.200703.17966@chiton.ucsd.edu> Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego References: <1993May11.153850.29371@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 20:07:03 GMT In article <1993May11.153850.29371@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: >People may be interested in the following response to an e-mail message I >got from the Net on this thread: > >=============================================================== > >Begin forwarded message: > >Date: Tue, 11 May 93 13:27:56 +0200 >From: leo@ine.philips.nl> >|Last night I was unable to READ the man page for pslpr. [The man pages >|are on a server and some joker (named Amitaba!) with a nonstandard umask >|had previously man'd pslpr and left it in man/cat1 only readable by him.] > >In that case, go to the server and do a > 'nroff -man /usr/man/man1/pslpr.1|more -s'. >This will give you the info you need. Cheers, You should be able (as any arbitrary user) to just do % rm /usr/man/cat1/pslpr.1 since the cat? directories are mode 777. Then just % man pslpr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: barry@ictv.com (Barry Lustig) Subject: Re: 4 bytes of amusement Message-ID: <1993May11.200338.15671@ictv.com> Sender: usenet@ictv.com Organization: ICTV, Santa Clara, CA (408) 562-9200 References: <1smfgm$4fp@transfer.stratus.com> <1993May11.043605.29001@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 20:03:38 GMT What is a magic number your ask... magic number UNIX/C n. 1. In source code, some non-obvious constant whose value is significant to the operation of a program and that is inserted inconspicuously in-line (hardcoded,), rather than expanded in by a symbol set by a commented `#define'. Magic numbers in this sense are bad style. 2. A number that encodes critical information used in an algorithm in some opaque way. The classic examples of these are the numbers used in hash or CRC functions, or the coefficients in a linear congruential generator for pseudo-random numbers. This sense actually predates and was ancestral to the more common sense 1. 3. Special data located at the beginning of a binary data file to indicate its type to a utility. Under UNIX, the system and various applications programs (especially the linker) distinguish between types of executable file by looking for a magic number. Once upon a time, these magic numbers were PDP-11 branch instructions that skipped over header data to the start of executable code; the 0407, for example, was octal for `branch 16 bytes relative'. Nowadays only a wizard, knows the spells to create magic numbers. How do you choose a fresh magic number of your own? Simple --- you pick one at random. See? It's magic! Thanks to The Hutchison Avenue Software Corporation for the Hacker's app. barry --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: EATA Timeout Errors Message-ID: <1993May11.114555.28901@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 11 May 93 11:45:54 PDT Has anyone seen an EATA Timeout Error (+Freezeup) before, or am I the only one? If not, my hardware has probably died with intermittent problems. /ivo welch
From: chen@veda.cwru.edu (Chih-Keng Chen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: COntrol SYstems analysis PAcKage-COSY_PAK v0.9(updated)-for Mathematica Date: 12 May 1993 01:08:14 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Distribution: world Message-ID: <1spilu$p4k@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Keywords: Control Systems, Engineering, Mathematica, Public Domain (No Fee Release) ******************************************************************** * * * Announcing * * * * COSY_PAK * * * * (A symbolic COntrol SYstems analysis PAcKage) * * * * Version 0.9 * * * * (NO USER FEE RELEASE) * * * * for * * * * Mathematica Version 2.0 or higher * * * ******************************************************************** ==> INTRODUCTION COSY_PAK is set of packages and notebooks for classical control and (some) modern (state space) control analysis and design methods. The notebooks in COSY_PAK follow a typical `Control Engineering I' course taught at many universities around the world for the junior/senior level undergraduates. There is NO FEE to use COSY_PAK but certain responsibilities are expected of the user (see Copyright notice in the README file included below). For starters e-mail / FAX / Mail (Post) the registration form included in the README file. COSY_PAK is available via `anonymous ftp' from mishna.esys.cwru.edu (INTERNET No : 129.22.40.23) in the /pub directory. P.S.: A typical ftp session in UNIX is given after the README file. ==> FUTURE RELEASES If you would like to receive updates and newer versions of COSY_PAK please send e-mail/FAX/mail to the address below. In addition, your comments and suggestions are appreciated and are invaluable to us. We will do our best to fix any reported bugs. However, we cannot fix those bugs that have not been reported to us and those we do not know of. We would very much appreciate you taking a few minutes to communicate to us via e-mail / US Mail / Telephone / FAX. This will help us to release bug-free versions in the future. Comments are welcome. N. Sreenath Systems Engineering Department Case School of Engineering Case Western Reserve University ****************** e-mail: sree@mishna.cwru.edu U.S. Mail: Prof. N. Sreenath Tel.: (216) 368-6219 Systems Engg., Crawford Hall FAX: (216) 368-3123 Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland OH 44106-7070 ========================= Begin README file ========================= (NO USER FEE RELEASE) COSY_PAK (A symbolic COntrol SYstems analysis PAcKage) Version 0.9 for Mathematica Version 2.0 or higher by C.K.Chen N. Sreenath Systems Engineering Case School of Engineering Case Western Reserve University Cleveland, OH, 44106-7070 e-mail: sree@mishna.cwru.edu --> Copyright :Copyright: Copyright 1992 by C. K. Chen and N. Sreenath, Case Western Reserve University. Permission to use, copy, modify and distribute this software and its documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above copyright notice appear in supporting documentation, and the name of the Case Western Reserve University, Case School of Engineering not be used in advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution of the software without specific, without prior permission. Case Western Reserve University makes no representations about the suitability of this software for any purpose. It is provided "as is" with out express or implied warranty. --> Acknowledgements Support from CWRU Information and Network Services - Dr. Ray Neff, Case Alumni Association, The Lilly Foundation and the Systems Engineering Department of Case Western Reserve University is gratefully acknowledged. Special thanks to Brian Evans of Georgia Tech for all the help. --> FTP COSY_PAK is available by anonymous `ftp' from mishna.esys.cwru.edu (Internet No. 129.22.40.23). A sample ftp session is given at the end of this file. ********************************************************************** --> Changes in Version 0.9 (update from v0.81 to v0.9) In this version, we have revised COSY_PAK to take advantage of the more robust signal processing functions available in Mathematica v2.1. Since Mathematica 2.1 provides a better and working LaplaceTransform and InverseLaplaceTransform functions than Mathematica v2.0 did, we adopted them. This has made COSY_PAK smaller. Thus Brian Evans' Signal Processing packages that supported the LaplaceTransform and InverseLaplaceTransform functions in the COSY_PAK v0.81 are no longer needed directly by COSY_PAK v0.9. For power users who use Signal Processing we still recommend the use of the very fine Brian Evans package on Signal Processing (available at the anonymous ftp site gauss.eedsp.gatech.edu or IP # 130.207.226.24). On the downside, the disadvantage of this update can be that Mathematica 2.1 requires more runtime resources than its previous version. *********************************************************************** --> For Mathematica 2.0 users We have included the LaplaceTransform package from Mathematica 2.1 in the directory `For_2.0'. Please move all files and directory under For_2.0 into the Calculus directory under Mathematica Packages directory. ************************************************************************** --> Introduction This is an unsupported release of COSY_PAK - a COntrol SYstems analysis PAcKage for symbolic control systems analysis using Mathematica 2.1. Classical control systems analysis and design methods and some modern control systems methods have been implemented in this package. This package and the attendant notebooks were developed on a NeXT (TM) computer (a UNIX based workstation). They have been used as a supplementary teaching aid along with standard control engineering texts (Ogata [1991], Phillips and Harbor [1991]) for undergraduate courses in `Control Engineering I' taught at the Systems Engineering Department of CWRU. In addition to the NeXT, they have also been tested successfully on Apple Macintosh computers (TM), and, IBM PC's (TM) running MS Windows(TM). We would be very much interested to hear from you if you or anybody you know uses this software on platforms not mentioned above. IBM users however will have to evaluate the notebooks first to visualize the graphics. Once installed (see below for instructions), this collection of Mathematica packages can be loaded by any user. Bundled with the packages are many notebooks ("COSY_Notes") which demonstrate the functionality of these packages. The notebooks follow a plan of many fine, standard, undergraduate Control Engineering text books listed in the references. Examples used in these notebooks have been collected from the various references given at the end of this file. The contents of the notebooks in the "COSY_Notes" directory are given below. ----------- Begin "COSY_Notes" Contents ----------- NOTEBOOK FILE NAME: 01_Introduction.ma CHAPTER 1: Introduction to Control Systems Sections: Analyticity Poles and Zeros Signals Forward Laplace Transforms Inverse Laplace Transforms Differential Equation With Zero-Valued Initial Conditions Differential Equation With Initial Conditions ----------- NOTEBOOK FILE NAME: 02_Math_Models.ma CHAPTER 2: Mathematical Modeling of Dynamic Systems Sections: ODE to State Space Linearization of a Nonlinear System of Equations State Space to Transfer Function ----------- NOTEBOOK FILE NAME: 03_*_Transient_Response.ma CHAPTER 3: Transient-Response Analysis (Chapter split into three sub notebooks because of file size) NOTEBOOK FILE NAME: 03_1_Transient_Response.ma Sections : Time Response Analysis First order System Second Order System Third Order and Higher Order Systems NOTEBOOK FILE NAME: 03_2_Transient_Response.ma Sections : First Order System (Step Response vs. Time Const) NOTEBOOK FILE NAME: 03_3_Transient_Response.ma Sections : Second Order System (Step Response vs. Damping Ratio) ----------- NOTEBOOK FILE NAME: 04_Steady_State_Response.ma CHAPTER 4: Steady-State Response Sections: Routh's Stability Steady-State Error Analysis ----------- NOTEBOOK FILE NAME: 05_Root_Locus.ma CHAPTER 5: Root-Locus Analysis ----------- NOTEBOOK FILE NAME: 06_Freq_Response.ma CHAPTER 6: Frequency-Response Analysis Sections: Bode Plot Analysis Magnitude vs. Phase Plot (Nichols Plot) Polar Plot Nyquist Plot Combined Example ----------- NOTEBOOK FILE NAME: 07_State_Space.ma CHAPTER 7: State Space Methods Sections: Introduction State Transition Matrix Controllability Observability Output Controllability Pole Placement Design Observer Design Time Response Using State Space Methods ----------- End Notebook Contents ----------- --> Compressed Files The files that contain a complete set of the COSY_PAK v0.9 packages and Notebooks for Mathematica are: COSY_PAK_09.tar.Z compressed tar file for Unix systems COSY_PAK_09.sit.hqx compressed sit file for Macintosh systems and encoded by BinHex 4.0 format (requires the shareware Stuffit file v 1.5.1 or higher). COSY_PAK_IBM_09.zip zip file for the IBM PC running MS-DOS Once expanded the Mathematica files can also be used on Macintosh / IBM PC / Unix systems also. --> Installation of COSY_PAK o In UNIX Command line type the following command: zcat COSY_PAK_09.tar.Z | tar xvf - o In Macintosh open the .sit.hqx file using the shareware Stuffit v 1.5.1 or higher. o In IBM Command line type the following command: pkunzip -o -d COSY_PAK_IBM_09.zip NOTE: This .zip file was zipped by zip utility v2.0. You must use pkunzip version 2.0 or higher to unzip it. IBM PC's may limit the directory name characters to eight. In that event type "pkunzip -o -d COSY_PAK.zip. You can also unzip the COSY_PAK_IBM_09.zip file on any Unix machine if you have unzip utility on it. Uncompressing and untarring "COSY_PAK_09.tar.Z" or unzipping "COSY_PAK_IBM_09.zip" will create a directory called "COSY_PAK". Once the files are expanded you should see a single directory "COSY_PAK" containing the following three files, four sub-directories and their contents: SUB-DIRECTORIES in "COSY_PAK": COSYPAK - contains control tool box packages MANUAL - COSY_PAK manual in .ps, .rtf, .txt, and .wn formats. COSY_Notes - contains notebooks For_2.0 - contains Laplace transform package from Mathematica 2.1 For Mathematica 2.0 users. FILES in directory "COSYPAK": chap1.m chap2.m chap3.m chap4.m chap5.m chap6.m chap7.m FILES in directory "COSY_Notes": 01_Introduction.ma 02_Math_Model.ma 03_1_Transient_Response.ma 03_2_Transient_Response.ma 03_3_Transient_Response.ma 04_Steady_State_Response.ma 05_Root_Locus.ma 06_Freq_Response.ma 07_State_Space.ma FILES in directory "For_2.0": LaplaceTransform.m DiracDelta.m SUB-DIRECTORIES in "COSY_PAK": Common FILES in directory "Common": Support.m ********************* Important ******************** The notebook example files(.ma files) will be under the "COSY_Notes" directory. To use the notebooks, move the directory `COSYPAK' to a directory that Mathematica can recognize : /LocalLibrary/Mathematica/Packages on a UNIX machine, MY_HardDisk:Mathematica:Packages on an Apple Macintosh, c:\winmath\packages on an IBM PC. At the beginning of the "Initialization" cell of each notebook in "COSY_Notes" directory, we list the example about how to make Mathematica identify the directory: (* Initialization of Path *) (* Example For a UNIX machine (Default) *) (* $Path=Join[$Path, {"/LocalLibrary/Mathematica/Packages"}]; *) (* Example For an Apple Macintosh *) (* $Path=Join[$Path, {"MY_HardDisk:Mathematica:Packages"}]; *) (* Example For IBM PC *) (* $Path=Join[$Path, {"c:\winmath\packages"}]; *) Change the pathname according to your machine by removing the Mathematica comment sign `(*' and `)*' before and after `$Path' setting. This command makes Mathematica recognize the directory /LocalLibrary/Mathematica/Packages on a UNIX machine MY_HardDisk:Mathematica:Packages on a Apple Macintosh c:\winmath\packages on an IBM PC --> Mathematica 2.0 users We include the LaplaceTransform package from Mathematica 2.1 in the directory For_2.0. Please move all files and directory under For_2.0 into the Calculus directory under Mathematica Packages directory. --> Getting started After installation, start Mathematica and open the notebooks in the "COSY_Notes" directory. All notebooks load their own packages. Navigate in the notebooks and enjoy. IBM users however will have to evaluate the notebooks to visualize the graphics. *************************************************************** --> USER RESPONSIBILITIES We request you to take a few minutes and fill out the information below and mail it to us by e-mail / FAX / U.S. Mail. This will help us to keep your abreast of the improvements and release new versions of COSY_PAK. Suggestions for improvements are welcome. -------------------------------cut here------------------------------- YOUR NAME: ________________________________________ ORGANIZATION: ________________________________________ TITLE: ________________________________________ e-mail: ________________________________________ POSTAL ADDRESS:________________________________________ ________________________________________ Comments & ________________________________________ Suggestions: ________________________________________ ________________________________________ -------------------------------cut here------------------------------- Mail this information to (E-mail / FAX / U.S. Mail) : INTERNET: sree@mishna.cwru.edu U.S. Mail: Prof. N. Sreenath Tel.: (216) 368-6219 Systems Engg., Crawford Hall FAX: (216) 368-3123 Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland OH 44106-7070 *************************************************************** --> REPORT BUGS Please report bugs and leave comments to the address above. Any suggestion for improvements and criticism are welcome. We will do our best to fix any reported bugs. However, we cannot fix those bugs that have not been reported to us and those we do not know of. We would very much appreciate you taking a few minutes to communicate to us via e-mail / US Mail / Telephone / FAX. This will help us to release bug-free versions in the future. *************************************************************** --> Disclaimer and Future Releases This software is the property of the Case Western Reserve University. Use this software at your own risk. We make no express or implied warranty. The packages and the notebooks can also be made to run under Mathematica versions 2.0 or lower with modification. We do not guarantee the outcome. --> Documentation COSY_PAK functions are indexed in the files in the `MANUAL' directory according the chapters. Usage is illustrated in notebooks residing in `COSY_Notes' directory. If your computer does not support notebooks find a Macintosh computer and acquire MathReader which is a public domain notebook reader. MathReader will at least allow you to peruse notebooks but you will not be able to evaluate any code fragments. --> References Dorf, R. C., "Modern Control Systems", Sixth Edition, Addison Wesley, New York, 1992. Fortmann, T. E., and Hitz, K. L., "An Introduction to Linear Control Systems", Marcel Dekker, 1977. Franklin, G. F., Powell, D. J., and Emami-Naeini, A., "Feedback Control of Dynamic Systems", Second Edition, Addison Wesley, New York, 1991. Kuo, B. C., "Automatic Control Systems", Sixth Edition, Prentice Hall, New Jersey, 1990. Ogata, K., "Modern Control Engineering", Second Edition, Prentice Hall, New Jersey, 1991. Phillips, C. L., and Harbor, R. D., "Feedback Control Systems", Second Edition, Prentice Hall, New Jersey, 1991. ========================= End README file ========================= TYPICAL `ftp' session : ----------------------- %ftp mishna.esys.cwru.edu Connected to mishna. 220 mishna FTP server (Version 5.20 (NeXT 1.0) Sun Nov 11, 1990) ready. Name (mishna.esys.cwru.edu:sree): anonymous Password: ftp> cd /pub ftp> binary ftp> ls 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list. COSY_PAK_09.tar.Z COSY_PAK_IBM_09.zip Index README places.wmd COSY_PAK_untar 226 Transfer complete. 78 bytes received in 0 seconds (15.35 Kbytes/s) ftp> get COSY_PAK_09.tar.Z 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for COSY_PAK_09.tar.Z (460822 bytes). 226 Transfer complete. local: COSY_PAK_09.tar.Z remote: COSY_PAK_09.tar.Z 460822 bytes received in 1.33 seconds (3.38e+02 Kbytes/s) ftp> quit 221 Goodbye. -- ************************************************************************** From: Chih-Keng Chen Email:cxc20@po.cwru.edu Systems, Control and Industrial Engineering Case Western Reserve University
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NextStep programmer seeks recruiting possibilities at Expo Date: 11 May 1993 21:39:54 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sp2uq$2hl@steffi.demon.co.uk> I am deciding wether to attend Expo. As I have to make an expensive a trip across the ocean I would like to make it worth my while by investigating the possibility of recruitment as a NextStep programmer. If anybody would like to extend an invitation to me regarding this matter then please feel welcome to contact me. Cheers. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) Subject: HELP!! mach mess up! Message-ID: <C6w8t1.DM9@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 03:10:12 GMT HELP!! I started with a small problem with my root directory. When I tried to launch certain files like Mathematica, my system would just hang. Well, I thought I had done something to my mach file (which I now know is fine) so I got a copy from a friend to see if that would fix it. BIG BIG BIG mistake. I have a dimension, he has a cube. I think I may be running under 2.1 and he is under 2.4 also, however I could be mistaken on this. Anyway, I do have a copy of my original (and correct) mach, however, I can't get past the panic to change it back. The different mach makes my system complain of unknown kernal and complains of no network, then reboots and starts all over again. Could some kind soul out there PLEASE help me. Brian sela@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: korp@eid.anl.gov (Peter A. Korp) Subject: Re: NeXT Announces NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Black Hardware Message-ID: <C6tr3D.H93@mcs.anl.gov> Sender: usenet@mcs.anl.gov Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois References: <1993May10.055326.743@digifix.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 18:52:22 GMT In article <1993May10.055326.743@digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > Michael Brouwer writes > > In article <1993May8.191508.1828@digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com (Scott > > Anguish) writes: > > > I posted a message in comp.sys.next.announce for Conrad at Next the > > > other day. The 3.0 to 3.1 UPGRADE developer is not FAT. Since it is only > an > > > upgrade, that makes sense. > > > > I guess NeXT will want us developers to ship separate binaries for Motorola > and > > Intel machines as well then? > > > I think that is the kind of choice an individual organization will need > to make. I would be willing to bet that will be a selling feature (being FAT), > that would cost a third party developer very little. Next has decided that the > Upgrade, which is for users of Black hardware is not going to run on Intel. > That makes sense because it is an upgrade. Since you can't buy Next hardware > new, and all Next hardware out there has at least one version of system > available on it, there will never be a "retail" version, only upgrades. > None of this makes sense to me. The upgrade is not fat but you will be able to make fat binaries. Thats all I take it to mean. > -- > - Scott Anguish - > sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) > next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions) -- Peter A. Korp Assistant Scientist Argonne National Laboratory korp@eid.anl.gov
From: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SUBMISSION: Rocks v.1.02 available at cs.orst.edu Date: 12 May 1993 05:03:03 GMT Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1sq0e7INN7dh@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993May11.061012.6430@digifix.com> In article <1993May11.061012.6430@digifix.com> Alberto Ricart <alberto@parsec.mixcom.com> writes: > > Rocks!(tm)(c) (v1.02) > > Rocks is the mother of all space and asteroid type of games. > Rocks is being distributed as shareware $35 per license. > SmartSoft, Inc., 2220 East Linnwood Avenue, Milwaukee, WI 53211 > Phone: 414/964-8864, Fax: 414/964-4672 > Email: smartsoft@parsec.mixcom.com Help. Apparently I am missing something obvious, but how do you install Rocks? I untar the package using Opener.app, and have a directory, Rocks.pkg, with these files: Rocks.bom Rocks.pre_delete* Rocks.tar Rocks.info Rocks.pre_install* Rocks.tiff Rocks.post_install* Rocks.sizes If I try and untar the Rocks.tar file there, I get a checksum error. tar: directory checksum error (0 != 3245) What am I missing? -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "Don't ever put your brain on a runaway train 'cause it won't be coming back!" - Mad At The World.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU (Aris Theocharides) Subject: Pinson & Wiener book source needed Message-ID: <9313216.16439@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Keywords: source Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 06:24:32 GMT Hello, Does anyone have the source for the Objective-C book by Pinson and Weiner handy? Could you e-mail (or NeXTmail) it to me? Or direct me to an ftp site? Thank you. Aris Theocharides aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU -- (Night On Earth) : Guys! Can't live with them - can't shoot them! (The Mandarins) : Women? Either they're idiots or they're unbearable.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Bug Fix (was Re: Software Floating Pt Coprocessor for NeXTs) Message-ID: <1993May12.074258.17704@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Wed, 12 May 93 07:42:58 GMT Hi everyone- Thanks to Frank Zhang, I've been alerted to some bugs in the software math coprocessor for the 68040 NeXT hardware. It turns out that log10() was broken. Additionally, I determined that pow() was also foo-bar. And floor() failed my testing for negative integers. I simply didn't bother checking the validity of the funtions in the original libjv.a package from which I made my modifications. I did several hours of numerical verifications on the libraries tonight and they seem to do the right thing now. Please read the README file included with the package describing the stuff. I've explained in a little more detail what this library can do, and what its limitations are. Anyway, I went ahead and fixed the bugs and reposted the new versions on sonata.cc.purdue.edu under the name /pub/next/submissions/SoftwareMathCoprocFor68040.2.tar.Z (note the "2" before the "tar.Z.") I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused people. I hope nobody was using it to design space shuttles, etc. I would like again to thank Jos Vermaseren, who wrote the original package, "libjv", which you can still pick up from sonata.cc.purdue.edu. This thing wouldn't be possible without his original input. For those of you who missed my earlier message and have no idea what I'm talking about, here's what SoftwareMathCoprocFor68040.2.tar.Z can do for you: > Date: Thu, 6 May 93 12:17:23 -0700 > Subject: Software Floating Pt Coprocessor for NeXTs posted on Sonata > > Hi- > I posted a modified version of Jos Vermaseren's software math > coprocessor on sonata.cc.purdue.edu. My modifications > make it possible to link his library into a NS 3.0 project. > Transcendental calls can now go more than twice as fast > because there is no overhead for doing f-line system traps on > machines without 68882 math coprocessors (which is most of > their machines anyway). > > Unfortunately NeXT hasn't fixed this yet. The functions that are included are: acos(), asin(), atan(), atan2(), cos(), exp(), floor(),fmod(),log(), log10(), pow(), sin(), and tan(). Functions that are not included in this list are either already implemented on the 68040's on-chip FPU or too esoteric to be worthwhile. By the way, this software will run very slowly on a 68030/68882 cube... just so you know. Please send comments. Flames to /dev/null. Enjoy, Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Digit.app.tar.Z still buggy Message-ID: <1993May12.071254.18006@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 07:12:54 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik Just downloaded Digit.app --- tar.Z still buggy! -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch ( if all fails try frank@urz.unibas.ch )
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: cmsg cancel <1sp2uq$2hl@steffi.demon.co.uk> Control: cancel <1sp2uq$2hl@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: 12 May 1993 09:19:34 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sqbun$5lk@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1sp2uq$2hl@steffi.demon.co.uk> <1sp2uq$2hl@steffi.demon.co.uk> was cancelled from within trn. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <1sqc1n$5mc@steffi.demon.co.uk> Control: cancel <1sqc1n$5mc@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: 12 May 1993 09:22:36 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sqc4c$5n5@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1sqc1n$5mc@steffi.demon.co.uk> <1sqc1n$5mc@steffi.demon.co.uk> was cancelled from within trn. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NextStep programmer seeks recruiting possibilities at Expo Date: 12 May 1993 09:23:34 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sqc66$5no@steffi.demon.co.uk> I am deciding whether to attend Expo. As I have to make an expensive a trip across the ocean I would like to make it worth my while by investigating the possibility of recruitment as a NextStep programmer. If anybody would like to extend an invitation to me regarding this matter then please feel welcome to contact me. Cheers. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: NeXT should deliver patches and bugfixes (message sent) Message-ID: <1993May12.091553.4032@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 09:15:53 GMT To all who sent me their signature for the message: thanks! I just sent it off to Steve_Jobs@NeXT.com. I had some suggestions on changing the message. This is what I sent: Dear NeXT, We all think that issuing patches and bugfixes is very good for both your image as a user-friendly company and for the support we can get. Creating and submitting those patches doesn't cost much either. Please let us know if you would follow our advise and make patches and fixes available. If you do not follow our advice, please tell us why you cannot. With all signatures attached (all with email address). -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) Subject: Re: Who designed the NeXT logo? Message-ID: <1993May12.081105.16905@osf.org> Keywords: logo, designs, warfle warfle warfle Sender: news@osf.org (USENET News System) Organization: OSF RI Grenoble References: <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu> <C6vE6w.IwB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 08:11:05 GMT begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) writes: |> >Does anyone know who the designer(s) is that designed the NeXT tilted |> >cube logo and when it orginated? there was something about it in this months Unix Review article on NeXT. They mentioned it cost $100,000. David.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heinle@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (Glenn Heinle) Subject: IPT info requested Message-ID: <C6x7zo.Ivq@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 15:50:12 GMT Can someone send me a phone number or email address for IPT (I think that's the name), the makers of uShare and uPrint software? They were supposed to fax me information, but never got around to doing it. Thanks, Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: NEW PRODUCT: TIFFany "Image Processing for NEXTSTEP Computers" Message-ID: <1993May12.133755.6060@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 13:37:55 GMT I have not seen this come across comp.sys.next.announce, so I am posting it here to misc. News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: benchMark Developments, Inc. Kevin Solie, (606) 276-3983 info@kynug.org benchMark Developments, Inc. Announces TIFFany Professional Image Processing Software for NeXTSTEP LEXINGTON, KY - May 3, 1993 - benchMark Developments (bMD) announced today the availability of TIFFany, an image enhancement application for NeXTSTEP developed by Caffeine Software of Switzerland. "I am pleased to announce bMD's agreement with Caffeine Software. It will be our job to treat TIFFany as if it was our own, providing Caffeine Software with constructive criticism and the professional management and distribution of TIFFany", said Neil Greene, president of bMD. TIFFany offers users of NeXTSTEP a suite of mathematic algorithms for digital imaging. Images may be enhanced and manipulated using various tools for color correction, noise reduction, resizing, image composition, morphing, and filters for: burn in, edge detection, edge enhancement, color separation, embossing, image noise reduction and correction, relief, shake, smear, smooth, sobel, and others. Manual image editing functions include: pen drawing, airbrush, and adjustable transparency capabilities. "TIFFany is the first application for NeXTSTEP that is optimized for today's digital images. It is not simply a paint program. TIFFany was undoubtedly designed with the sure intentions of providing the NeXT environment with a collection of professional algorithms for the enhancement and manipulation of digital images", said Kevin Solie, director of software development for bMD and marketing of TIFFany. Digital imaging artist and animation creators may use TIFFany's morphing and warping algorithms to create stunning animations. TIFFany is currently NeXTSTEP 3.0 compatible and will fully support official releases of NeXTSTEP and NeXTSTEP for Intel. bMD is offering TIFFany at a special promotional rate of XX for commerical licenses and XX for acedemic licenses, plus shipping effective immediately. This special promotional rate will be available throughout the end of NeXTWORLD Expo (May 27). TIFFany's suggested retail price is XX, with academic pricing available at XX. Customers, throughout the United States, Canada, and Mexico, interested in ordering TIFFany may contact bMD at 1-800-872-3131. Users with ftp access may find a demonstration version of TIFFany at cs.orst.edu. Founded in early 1991 by Stan Jirman and Ralf Brunner, Caffeine Software currently develops professional imaging software for NeXTSTEP. Founded in late 1992, benchMark Developments has turned into a multi-functional company. bMD markets and distributes TIFFany throughout the continental U.S. for Caffeine Software. As an authorized NeXT Reseller, bMD currently developes custom software for the health care and thoroughbred industries running NeXTSTEP. The TIFFany logo is a trademark of Caffeine Software, the bMD logo is a trademark of benchMark Developments, Inc. NeXT and NEXTSTEP are registered trademarks of NeXT, Inc. All other products mentioned are trademarks of their respective owners. -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail]
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Changing login windows Message-ID: <80.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 93 07:43:35 PDT References: <1993May11.111930.4602@gleap.jpunix.com> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) > Message-ID: <1993May11.111930.4602@gleap.jpunix.com> > Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 11:19:30 GMT > > John, > > Mail to you bounces. Here's your answer anyway... > > > The easiest way to install loginscreens is: > > 1) su to root > 2) dwrite loginwindow ImageFile <pathname/filename> > Some people keep screens in one directory (such as /LocalLibrary/logins) > 3) logout to login window. > 4) for the user name enter: exit > 4a)press return for the password > This kills the window server and forces it to restart. It can take as > long as five minutes on an '030 cube. > > If for some reason it hangs, and doesn't reload the login window, then you'll > have to reboot. > > Charles. > > > John-William DeClaris writes > >I saw a next with a different login window. Rather than having the > >standard steel grey user/password entry window on a colored background, > >this person had put an image. I would like to try and do that but I do > >not know where to start. Does anyone have any ideas/ Thanks. Is there a FAQ listing all the known system dwrites and their effects? This is getting to be like the Mac...you have to click all over the screen with all possible combinations of SHIFT/OPT/CMD to find out what the undocumented features of a program are. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: colin@snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: sticky space bar Date: 12 May 1993 17:37:44 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <1srcl8$3j5@tamsun.tamu.edu> Has anyone else had trouble with a sticky space bar on an old style keyboard? Mine's just less than 3 years old and is intermittently sticking down. Is there an easy fix? I've unscrewed the board and made sure there's no crud in the visible moving parts, but I can't find an easy way to remove the whole bar. There are two plastic posts one in center of the bar, which seems to house the spring mechanism and the signal transducer, and one towards the left end which seems to be there for stability only. I can detach the base of the left post, but I can't see how to detach the center post. -- Colin Allen INTERNET (& NeXTMail) : colin@snaefell.tamu.edu Assistant Professor | BITNET : cfa0802@tamvenus Philosophy, Texas A&M University | FAX : (409) 845-0458 College Station, TX 77843-4237 | VOICE : (409) 845-5660
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kjell@oops (Kjell Nilsson) Subject: Re: Changing login windows Message-ID: <1993May12.194701.24541@oops.se> Sender: kjell@oops.se Organization: OOPSart - ObjectWareHouse References: <1993May11.111930.4602@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 19:47:01 GMT In article <1993May11.111930.4602@gleap.jpunix.com> clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) writes: > John, > > Mail to you bounces. Here's your answer anyway... > > > The easiest way to install loginscreens is: > > 1) su to root > 2) dwrite loginwindow ImageFile <pathname/filename> > Some people keep screens in one directory (such as /LocalLibrary/logins) > 3) logout to login window. > 4) for the user name enter: exit > 4a)press return for the password > This kills the window server and forces it to restart. It can take as > long as five minutes on an '030 cube. > > If for some reason it hangs, and doesn't reload the login window, then you'll > have to reboot. > > Charles. > > > John-William DeClaris writes > >I saw a next with a different login window. Rather than having the > >standard steel grey user/password entry window on a colored background, > >this person had put an image. I would like to try and do that but I do > >not know where to start. Does anyone have any ideas/ Thanks. > > > >-- > >John-William DeClaris > >All comments made by me are mine and not reflective of RUSH > >or anyone else... even any spelling errors I most likely made. > >Live each day as if it were your last, because someday it will be. > -- > Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com > GiantLeap Software (713) 363-0887 > (713) 363-0936 (fax) Why try to change the logon screen? It is changing anyway in the NWE 3.1 release!!!! Kjell at OOPS - My thoughts is my companys thoughts. --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: Digit.app.tar.Z still buggy Message-ID: <C6xJ5q.3ID@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1993May12.071254.18006@urz.unibas.ch> Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 19:51:25 GMT In <1993May12.071254.18006@urz.unibas.ch> frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) writes: >Just downloaded Digit.app --- tar.Z still buggy! Get it off cs.orst.edu using binary via anonymous login. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca NeXT Computer, Inc. mtacchi@NeXT.COM (NeXT Mail Welcome) "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Who designed the NeXT logo? Message-ID: <C6xKJJ.7qo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <C6vE6w.IwB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 20:21:18 GMT In article <C6vE6w.IwB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) writes: > "The Sign of the Next Generation of Computers for Education." It is > signed Paul Rand, Weston, Connecticut, Spring 1986. Rand is considered >the< logo guy by a lot of people. He also did the logos for ABC (the US TV network), IBM, and Westinghouse (? the circled W that looks kind of like an electronic component). Think he did the Apple logo too. ab
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Printers, Fonts, and Shakespeare Date: 12 May 1993 20:43:21 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <1srnh9$ptp@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Summary: Annoying questions, not in FAQ Hello, all! Okay, forgive me in advance for some of the questions I am about to ask. I've looked through the copy of the FAQ that I downloaded, and I didn't see any of the answers there. Any and all help is greatly appreciated here... First, our NeXT 400 dpi printer has had a problem with the system ever since it was bought by its original owner. That owner sent it to NeXT who was unable to find anything wrong and was unable to fix it. NeXT finally said that it was a software problem and that when the new software came out it would probably work. Well we finally upgraded to Release 3.0 last weekend. I tried printing and didn't get very far. The files that I tried to print ended up on the queue and a blank page occassionally got printed but the files were never printed. Any clues? I know that the printer works because occassionally it would print. Then it's beautiful. When it doesn't work, with Release 1.0 software, it either prints blank pages or black pages. Now, with Release 3.0 software, it just won't send anything except blank pages to the printer. The files that were queued just stay on the queue. Does anyone have any ideas on this problem? Let me guess, no one has ever seen this before, it must be something wrong with this printer. I'm just hoping there is a reasonably easy fix. Second, a while back I purchased the Fontback 250 Postscript Type I font collection. I was (still am) using these fonts for DTP work on my humble Atari ST (hey, don't laugh!). Anyway, it seems to me that I read somewhere on this group that some type of conversion is needed on most Type I fonts before they are "NeXT-friendly." How exactly would I go about getting these conversions done? Also, I *know* I read that NeXTSTEP 3.0 has problems when you try to install more than 250 fonts. Well, since this collection contains 250 fonts itself, adding these to the preexisting set of NeXT fonts looks like it'll be a problem. There was a workaround posted for this problem a while back. Could someone tell me how to get this to work, too? Finally, a simple request. Could some kind soul email me a uuencoded copy of the Shakespeare.tiff that was posted back when 3.0 first came out? Alternatively, I could get it off ftp, if it was available someplace. Please don't just drop it in a NeXT Mail, because my NeXT isn't connected to my news/mail feed. Thanks for any help you can provide. I know there are a lot of things here, but I'm learning!!! Joe -- __________ | jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Dr. Sam Beckett put things right that once went wrong. `---- | You can do the same. Help save Quantum Leap!!!
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Digit.app.tar.Z still buggy Message-ID: <67506@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 12 May 93 20:55:44 GMT References: <1993May12.071254.18006@urz.unibas.ch> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1993May12.071254.18006@urz.unibas.ch> frank@ifi.unibas.ch writes: > Just downloaded Digit.app --- tar.Z still buggy! I just got a copy from cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions that worked it was dated May 12 at 12:22 - make sure you use binary mode -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: PPP for NeXT Date: 12 May 93 21:31:49 GMT Message-ID: <mfausett.737242309@kirin> References: <1qhh59$lkm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <C6rJB1.64C@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: PPP,ANDI,NeXT bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) writes: >In article <1qhh59$lkm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> gary@msu.edu (Gary J >LaPointe) writes: >> >> >> I'm looking for PPP for my NeXT... >Gary: >You can ftp to morningstar.com and take a look at what they have in >the way of PPP. We have been using their beta version 1.4 on a 25Mhz >040 machine and it works great. .... I've got a cleaned up version of the merit.edu ppp that I've been using for some time. I'm looking for someone to help beta-test the install procedures before I put it on Sonata. Any takers? mfausett@bbn.com
From: alvin@arapaho.ucsc.edu (Alvin Jee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Who designed the NeXT logo? Date: 12 May 1993 22:18:24 GMT Organization: UC Santa Cruz CIS/CE Sender: alvin@arapaho (Alvin Jee) Distribution: world Message-ID: <1srt3hINN9hq@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu> Keywords: logo, designs, warfle warfle warfle In article <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu>, begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) writes: |> Does anyone know who the designer(s) is that designed the NeXT tilted |> cube logo and when it orginated? I was looking through a book on |> publication design and there was a sample from a magazine that had a |> graphic that looked very similar to the NeXT logo. Not sure of the name of design company, but I do know that it's the same company that did the Apple logo and most recently did the new paint scheme for United Airlines' planes. Funny what kind of information you can get out of those magazines in the seat pockets of airplanes. :) Alvin Jee alvin@cse.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: andi.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: Last Mass Purchase Update prior to Expo due out May 15 Message-ID: <C6xE36.9D7@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,NeXTSTEP, INTEL Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 18:01:49 GMT Just a quick note that our last update will go out Saturday. It will also be a preview of our Journal, "Objectivitie", which premiers at the Expo. The journal will provide how-to-do-it information, as well as how not to do it. You will also find out more about what works, what does not, and troubleshooting tips. Since Expo rules prohibit sales on the floor we will provide order information so you can pre-order and pick up your copy at the show it to you at the show. Note: ANDI members will receive it in electronic format as part of you membership benefits . I almost forgot, you will find benchmarks for a large number of the systems in the journal. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: weiner@pts.mot.com (Bob Weiner) Subject: Anyone interested in subsidizing an Expo trip in exchange for NS/Intel CD-ROM? Message-ID: <WEINER.93May12184513@info.pts.mot.com> Sender: usenet@pts.mot.com Organization: Motorola Paging and Wireless Data Group Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 23:45:13 GMT My girlfriend and I are planning to attend the NeXTWORLD Developers Expo just to learn, as part of a vacation. She is a budding computer science student. We'd like to subsidize our trip by offering a trade to anyone interested. We could purchase 2 copies of the NEXTSTEP Developer's release CD-ROM at the Expo. After the Expo, the price as you probably know is supposed to be $2795 retail. We could sell them to anyone interested to help pay for the trip. Additionally, she could write a trip report which you could distribute around your company as part of the deal. Please drop me a line if you have any interest and include a dollar figure that seems reasonable to you in exchange for 1 or 2 of the CDs. Thanks for any help, Bob Weiner -- Bob Weiner, Motorola, 1500 NW 22nd Ave, MS-71, Boynton Beach, FL 33426-8753 Work: 407-364-2091 Fax: 407-364-3329 INTERNET: <bob_weiner@pts.mot.com> Mot X.400: <EBW002@email.corp.mot.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: piro@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Oreste Piro) Subject: Would a Seagate HD boot my 030 cube? Message-ID: <1993May12.205757.6983@bnlux1.bnl.gov> Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973 References: <1s3tkh$7bk@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 20:57:57 GMT I have this very definite question and would like a very definite answer: Is it possible to build a bootable disk from a 040 nonturbo cube and boot an 030 machine from it? Would the Seagate ST41200N do it? Thanks in advance. O. Piro.
Control: cancel <9313216.16439@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU (Aris Theocharides) Subject: cmsg cancel <9313216.16439@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Message-ID: <9313311.8345@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 01:00:15 GMT 5155 cancelled from NewsGrazer. -- (Night On Earth) : Guys! Can't live with them - can't shoot them! (The Mandarins) : Women? Either they're idiots or they're unbearable.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlc@cx5.com Subject: Re: Who designed the NeXT logo? Message-ID: <1993May13.001217.2145@cx5.com> Sender: tlc@cx5.com Organization: CX5 (San Francisco) References: <C6xKJJ.7qo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 00:12:17 GMT In article <C6xKJJ.7qo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: > Rand is considered >the< logo guy by a lot of people. He also did the > logos for ABC (the US TV network), IBM, and Westinghouse (? the > circled W that looks kind of like an electronic component). Think he > did the Apple logo too. > > ab I don't know if he did the ABC logo, but Rand did do the CBS logo, for which he is particularly well known. I'm writing this reply only because it might be misinformation that Rand did the ABC logo. Thierry Castro tlc@cx5.com
From: gil@asterix.lbl.gov (Gil Rivlis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Opinions on Acropolis wanted. Date: 13 May 1993 01:43:32 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ss944$arg@overload.lbl.gov> I am looking for a >1Gb hard drive for my NeXTstation and come accross a company called Acropolis that seem to be cheap and good. They package DEC, Segate and/or Micropolis hd's in various combinations. For example they have a 3.5'' (DEC, I think), 5400 rpm, 1.05Gb, and about 10ms access for $1295. (At least that's the price I've been quoted. I think it was edu discount...). A 1.6 Gb 3.5'' one was about $1600-1700. Does anyone know anything about them? PS Anyone care to point me to where I can find some general info on hard drives? I.e., what all the specs really mean, etc...? Thanks, Gil -- Gil Rivlis, Department of Physics, UC Berkeley gil@asterix.lbl.gov (NeXT Mail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: NeXT Voice Mail (w trees) Message-ID: <C6xyxq.C8C@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 01:32:13 GMT This is my second try at this. I need a device which will handle voice mail on the NeXT and which has tree capability. There are apparently 2 products which will do this. Neither responds to e-mail, thus the worldwide plea. As far as I can tell, the only other platform which can do this for a reasonable price is the Amiga with a product called PhonePak. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: castro@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Sean M Castro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Rocks Date: 13 May 1993 02:12:10 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ssapqINNke9@uwm.edu> Originator: castro@csd4.csd.uwm.edu I ftp'ed Rocks - It's a really COOL game it's the NRW of Asteroid type games. Graphics are pretty fast and pretty cool. Wish the demo was longer, I just blew an hour learning how to get through level 5, but worth it. It makes for mean entertainment. They have a spooky voice to hit you with subliminal messages to get you to buy it. I'm sending them my check. Can't wait to get to see the other levels. Has anyone else been playing it? I have not heard much about it here. -SC
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Source for Telebit modems Date: 13 May 1993 02:08:17 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1ssaihINNke1@uwm.edu> Originator: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Hi, I remember a while ago someone saying that you could get Telebit modems at a discount if you're a student. Is this still true? If so does anyone remeber the e-mail address of the place, or phone number? Thanks, -- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Gregory W. Gee <gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Subject: hooks for apps? Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 03:05:18 GMT Message-ID: <9305130305.AA29706@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> To: comp.sys.next.misc@newshost.uwo.ca, in@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Sender: daemon@julian.uwo.ca (Julian System Daemon Account) I was wondering if there was something similar to LoginHook and LogoutHook for apps? Is this possible? Thanks. **************************************************************************** Greg Gee gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Honours Computer Science, ggee@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario NeXT Mail accepted >>> Developing in the NeXT generation <<< ****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Printing Front and Back Message-ID: <1993May12.234355.525@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 23:43:55 GMT Is there a piece of software that will print pages on front and back. For example, I have a 10 page document, I want to print pages 1,3,5,7,9 on the front of pages, and pages 2,4,6,8,10 on the backs. So, 1 front 2 back etc. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Gregory W. Gee <gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Subject: What is the latest version of ImageViewer? Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 03:38:26 GMT Message-ID: <9305130338.AA29962@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> To: comp.sys.next.misc@newshost.uwo.ca Sender: daemon@julian.uwo.ca (Julian System Daemon Account) I currently have version 0.9e of ImageViewer. Is there a more recent version available with the saveas working with all file formats. And if there is, where can I get it. Please respond by mail if possible. Thanks. **************************************************************************** Greg Gee gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Honours Computer Science, ggee@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario NeXT Mail accepted >>> Developing in the NeXT generation <<< ****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Subject: Re: Rocks Message-ID: <16BCC14925.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: University of Missouri References: <1ssapqINNke9@uwm.edu> Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 04:24:18 GMT Hi frustrated ones, I have ftp'd this file multiple times from cs.orst.edu, /pub/next/demos/games/Rocks.pkg.tar. I have specified binary xfer every time, and I am ftping from Terminal.app rather than Gator . . . Every time I get the error message: checksum error; 0 != 3305. I am on a 040/25 Color running 2.1, Workspace V 218, PS v 2.1.55.4, 16MB RAM. I am fatigued from screwing around with this. Help would be appreciated. Regards, David K. Drum c512052@monad.missouri.edu (NeXTmail ok) uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 02:07:24 EDT From: <3179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93133.0207243179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: $300 for your NeXT for 3 days at NWE Subject: $300 for you NeXT for 3 days at NWE Hi, We need a Colour NeXT system for use during the Expo. We need the system by Monday evening and you can get it back on Thursday. You should be able to deliver the system to the Expo site and must pick it up on Thursday Or we can pick it up and drop it off. Your system will be used in our both to show CD-ROM NeWS We will pay $300 for the use of your system, if you want us to pick it up and drop it off then we will pay you only $200.00 (You must live in the bay area of SF ) If you have a system please E-Mail me before this Sunday with a phone number to contact. Jay JANA Publishing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Subject: HELP: bibframe on my NeXT? Sender: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Organization: Gerhard Moeller, German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg. Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 15:03:26 GMT Message-ID: <1993May12.150326.927@proximus.north.de> Johei! Does anyone out there managed to get bibframe running on a NeXT machine (FrameMaker 3.0 for the NeXT) It comes to my impression that it simply does not work at all :-( Hopefully I'm wrong, Gerhard. -- +---------------------------< principiis obsta! >---------------------------+ N Gerhard Moeller, Teichstrasse 12, 2900 Oldenburg (FRG) [*: 02/21/1968] N e Private: gemoe@proximus.north.de Phone (voice): +49-441-75520 e X Uni: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE NeXTmail X T Z-Net: Gerhard.Moeller@uniol.zer encouraged! T +-> NoGeNUG - Northern German NeXT User Group: NoGeNUG@proximus.north.DE <-+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: CDR-36 (NEC) will it work with Black Hardware? Message-ID: <C6w4Hx.I3@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 01:37:08 GMT I guess the subject says it all. I know the drive isn't fast or compatible with the Kodak stuff but I need to know will it work with an '040 machine. I know where to get them for $249 new, in the box and I'd like to be able to upgrade my machine to 3.1. I used the Sun CD-ROM from work to upgrade to 3.0 but I won't be at the same company in 3 weeks. If anyone has had any luck getting a NEC CDR-36 to work on a NeXT please let me know. (email or posting is fine) Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: SUBMISSION: how to print color on a HP DeskJet 550C from a NeXT Message-ID: <1993May13.110231.2714@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 13 May 93 11:02:31 GMT Hi- I've seen some posts asking about the possibility of printing on a Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 550C color+black ink printer. I didn't see too many follow-ups, so either the replies were in private or those who knew were hiding. Well, here is a solution. It's not super-extremely elegant, but it seems to work for me. The answer is to be found on sonata.cc.purdue.edu in /pub/next/submissions and it's called HP-DeskJet550C.tar.Z. I would like to thank L. Peter Deutsch @ Aladdin Enterprises, John B. Lockhart (lockhart@eecom.gatech.edu), and George Cameron (george@bio-medical-physics.aberdeen.ac.uk) for their help. I just simply glued some stuff together and packaged it for y'all. Enjoy, Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: danders@carn3 (Dave Anderson) Subject: Education prices for 3.1 and NS486? Message-ID: <1993May13.122138.12949@alleg.edu> Sender: news@alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 12:21:38 GMT Has anyone seen any information on the educational pricing for 3.1 or NS486? Our local rep (Pittsburgh) claims that discussion is still going on about educational pricing but has also told us that no one in NeXT is really in charge of the higher education division! David Anderson, Director Educational Computing Services Allegheny College
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Eric Noyau <e_noyau@cubx.com> Subject: Re: Changing login windows Message-ID: <1993May13.110100.25040@pelane.cubx.com> Sender: noyau@pelane.cubx.com Organization: Cub'x systemes References: <80.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 11:01:00 GMT In article <80.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: > > John-William DeClaris writes > > >I saw a next with a different login window. Rather than having the > > >standard steel grey user/password entry window on a colored background, > > >this person had put an image. I would like to try and do that but I do > > >not know where to start. Does anyone have any ideas/ Thanks. > > Is there a FAQ listing all the known system dwrites and their effects? > This is getting to be like the Mac...you have to click all over the screen > with all possible combinations of SHIFT/OPT/CMD to find out what the > undocumented features of a program are. > "undocumented features" ? RTFM ! /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/09_StartShut/03_CustomizingLoginAndLogout .rtf Eric -- (Eric Noyau - e_noyau@cubx.com - (Small)NeXTMail Ok) /R{rand 2147483647 div mul}def 1 1 90{pop dup gsave/Helvetica findfont 40 R scalefont setfont 500 R 800 R moveto 360 R rotate 1 R setgray show grestore}for pop showpage % The fish doesn't think because the fish knows... everything --- Iggy Pop
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rick@bandw.com Subject: Re: Expired NXFax1.03? Message-ID: <1993May13.141900.1549@bandw.com> Organization: B&W Software References: <KARTHY.93May6230400@dannug.dannug.dk> <C6MvJG.Ao5@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 13 May 93 14:19:00 GMT Peter Eisch wrote: > The new version is supposed to be on the archives as well. I > might provide a word of caution before upgrading beyond > the problems described here. My setup requires that the > faxmodem answer (distinctive ring) on the first ring. My > answering machine will answer on either rings 2 or 4, > depending on whether messages are pending. > > With 1.03 NXFax WILL NOT answer on the first ring. Even > with the setting of num rings set to 1, it answers AFTER the > second ring. My answering machine will typically answer > as it knows nothing about distinctive ring. I've > reported this as a bug, but they've clearly stated that > it's my problem and not theirs. So my solution was to go > back to 1.02. > > I used to be very satisfied with the NXFax solution and > would reccommend it highly, but now I reccommend it with > caution. They aren't as helpful now. > When Mr. Eisch contacted us about this problem, I responded as follows > In cases where the number of rings is set to 1, NXFax may > answer on the second ring. The delay is due to the time > required to properly open and reset the serial port after > the first ring is detected. > > A number of people have "mentioned" this. We are looking > at ways to return to the former behavior and actually be > able to answer after 1 ring. I hope this isn't too much of an > inconvenience for you for the present. > I'm very sorry that Mr. Eisch found us less helpful. We do make every effort to respond promptly and thoroughly to any inquiries, questions, or complaints. Please contact Black & White Software any time at nxfax@bandw.com. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Damon rick@bandw.com Black & White Software NeXTMail OK 802-496-8500 (voice) 802-496-5112 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) Subject: Stop sending mail, please!! (was Re: Who designed the NeXT logo?) Message-ID: <C6z221.Gnt@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Keywords: logo, designs, warfle warfle warfle Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: CICA - Center for Innovative Computer Applications References: <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu> <C6vE6w.IwB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 15:37:11 GMT tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) (moi) writes: >I have a 20 page booklet that describes the design process of the NeXT >logo. Ok, please stop barraging my mailbox with requests for me to 1) Photocopy the manual 2) Scan it in and NeXTmail it to you 3) To purchase it. I don't own it (the university does) and I don't have the rights to make copies of it, so please, please stop sending mail. I have enough mail as it is. Thanks for your consideration, Todd -- Postmaster/Sysadmin/NeXTSTEP and Macintosh programming Center for Innovative Computer Applications - Indiana University NeXTmail: tagreen@cica.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) Subject: Sendmail.cf Message-ID: <1993May13.152157.7676@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: Mail, Sendmail Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 15:21:57 GMT -- We have a large installation of non-NeXT computers running Yellow-Pages and using one Ultirx Vax as the mailer relay. My NeXT (running 3.0) is not invloved with the Yellow Pages in any way but does use the central Ultrix mailer. The mailer works fine locally but once we send e-mail to the internet world the "From:" line is not fully qualified. It looks like "obrooks@worf" and it should look like "obrooks@worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov". If you type the "hostname" command it returns "worf". Our hosts file have entries like : 999.999.999.999 worf worf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov. My question is there any easy way in my sendmail.cf to include the domain in the "From:" line so people can reply to me? Please send your reply to "obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov". I am including a piece of my sendmail.cf so you can see what I am talking about: *****STARTS HERE!!******************************************************** # my official hostname Dj$?m$w.$m$|$w$. # major relay mailer DMether # major relay host DRcore1.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov CRcore1.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov ############################################################ ##### ##### General configuration information ##### # local domain name # # This is now set from the resolver configuration call. If the domain # name you would like to have appear in your mail headers is different # from your Internet domain name, edit and uncomment the following to # be your mail domain name. # DmPodunk.EDU Dmhssc.ksc.nasa.gov #Dwworf.hssc.ksc.nasa.gov # Version number of configuration file DVNeXT-2.0 ### Standard macros # name used for error messages DnMailer-Agent # UNIX header format DlFrom $g $d # delimiter (operator) characters Do.:%@!^=/[]- # format of a total name Dq$g$?x ($x)$. # SMTP login message De$j Sendmail $v/$V ready at $b *****ENDS HERE!!********************************************************** Thanks! O ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: Re: Who designed the NeXT logo? Message-ID: <1993May13.142842.581@stone.com> Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp References: <1993May13.001217.2145@cx5.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 14:28:42 GMT In article <1993May13.001217.2145@cx5.com> tlc@cx5.com writes: > In article <C6xKJJ.7qo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) > writes: > > > Rand is considered >the< logo guy by a lot of people. He also did the > > logos for ABC (the US TV network), IBM, and Westinghouse (? the > > circled W that looks kind of like an electronic component). Think he > > did the Apple logo too. > > > > ab > > > I don't know if he did the ABC logo, but Rand did do the CBS logo, for which he > is particularly well known. > > I'm writing this reply only because it might be misinformation that Rand did > the ABC logo. > His overarching acheivment IMHO, especially for the lung surgeons, is the inimitable "Lucky Strike" cigarette carton. andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (Michael Suk-Young Chwe) Subject: Mice for pre-turbo, pre-ADB stations---some solutions Message-ID: <1993May13.180435.22582@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 18:04:35 GMT Dear Netters, After panicking when my mouse broke down, I found there are a few possibilities: 1. I could get a new NeXTMouse from my campus computer store for $80 and a few day wait. This is OK but two years from now when that mouse bites it I will be in even worse shape. 2. You can also get new mice from MicroAge in Chicago for about $80. Their number is 312-266-8100. You don't need any campus affiliation for this as far as I can tell. 3. Some kind people mailed me some instructions on how to hook up a Logitech bus mouse. I'm in the process of finding out more about this and will summarize in the future. 4. I saw a Microsoft mouse working on a NeXTStation (mono, non-turbo, pre-ADB) in a local computer store, University Computers (talk to Jordi, 312-288-3700, their address is 1311 E 57th street, Chicago, IL). It turns out that it wasn't a regular Microsoft mouse but one sold by Outbound for use on Outbound portable computers. The connector is compatible with the NeXT connector, and I've actually seen it work in their store. Jordi says that this mouse is exactly the same as a generic Microsoft mouse except with a different connector. Outbound no longer makes them, but Jordi can get a few for $50 each. I will get one just as a "spare" since I have discovered how mouse-vulnerable I am. Thus it should be possible to use a generic Microsoft mouse as long as you figure out the pinouts of the NeXT and the Microsoft mouse, and buy the right connector. Can anyone help with this? I think this would be the best solution in the long run, since Microsoft mice will probably be with us for a long time. Anyway, hope this helps! Michael Chwe --- Michael Suk-Young Chwe chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (NeXTMail OK) __|__ | / _| ( ) Economics Department, University of Chicago / \ | /\__| __|_|__ 1126 E 59th Street, Chicago, IL 60637 USA __|__ | / ( ) Facsimile 312-702-8490 -- Michael Suk-Young Chwe chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (NeXTMail OK) __|__ | / _| ( ) Economics Department, University of Chicago / \ | /\__| __|_|__ 1126 E 59th Street, Chicago, IL 60637 USA __|__ | / ( ) Facsimile 312-702-8490
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pjm@SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Pedro J. Moreno) Subject: image bif format Message-ID: <C6z7sM.8G6.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 17:41:09 GMT Is there any program for the NEXT able to deal with the BIF image format?? thanks Pedro. -- Pedro J. Moreno (NeXTMail OK) Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) Subject: BackSpace won't launch?!?!?!? Message-ID: <C6zEGz.L32@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 20:05:22 GMT Has anyone out there ever had a problem getting BackSpace to launch? I double click on the icon, it turns white, moves down, begins launching, then dies. I've posted this before, but no one seems to know what is going on here. Could some kind soul PLEASE help me? Brian sela@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scott@parsec.mixcom.com (Scott Violet) Subject: Re: Rocks Message-ID: <1993May13.182957.1122@parsec.mixcom.com> Organization: SmartSoft, Inc. References: <1ssapqINNke9@uwm.edu> <16BCC14925.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 18:29:57 GMT In article <16BCC14925.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) writes: >Hi frustrated ones, > >I have ftp'd this file multiple times from cs.orst.edu, >/pub/next/demos/games/Rocks.pkg.tar. I have specified binary xfer >every time, and I am ftping from Terminal.app rather than Gator . . . >Every time I get the error message: checksum error; 0 != 3305. >I am on a 040/25 Color running 2.1, Workspace V 218, PS v 2.1.55.4, ................... Rocks only runs on NeXT Computers running 3.X version of NEXTSTEP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: song@iastate.edu (Chang-Hyeon Song) Subject: Urgent! Anybody want to attend Expo($995 option) and get NeXTstep 486 Message-ID: <C6zF4r.LIv@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 20:19:38 GMT Hi, netter. I have registered for User and Developer's conference with NeXTstep 486 for $995. I have changed my mind, but today they told me I can't cancel it.Now I just want to attend to Exhibition. But I can transfer the registration to somebody else. Is there anyone want to attend NeXT expo., please e-mail me. Thanks in advance. +----------------------------------------------------------+ | Chang-Hyeon Song | song@iastate.edu | | Iowa State University | (515) 292-2209 | +-------------------------------------------------- HL5BGB +
From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: seeking info on canon and powerPC Message-ID: <35777@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 13 May 93 21:24:13 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD Hello - Read a notice about Canon and the NRW - but can't find anything of an official nature with regard to a press release or whatever. If anyone has this info could you mail it to me. Thanks much! Bob Kurhajetz Department of the Navy CD NSWC Code 3410 Bethesda, MD 20084 nextmail rk@priscilla.dt.navy.mil
From: sawtelle@mariposa.stonecutter.com (Don Sawtelle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: apparently one must register by May 14th to rcv SW -at- expo [was Re: May Update: NeXTWORLD Expo Info Bulletin (Special Offers and Full Agenda)] Date: Thu, 13 May 93 14:38:30 PDT Organization: Stonecutter Software Message-ID: <01050131.1g3f67@mariposa.stonecutter.com> Distribution: world In article <1s4c31$859@rosie.next.com> (comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software), Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) writes: > -OR- Call Toll-Free: 800/767-2336 (US only: 8:30a.m.- 6:00p.m. EST) A person at this number said, INCORRECTLY, that there is a cut-off date of tomorrow (May 14th) for the $995 deal, and if you don't make full payment by that time you have to register on-site at $1095 to get the deal that includes NEXTSTEP 486. My subsequent conversation with this person was not totally clear so I called 800-848-NEXT and talked to Lisa, who didn't know whether the cutoff existed, but referred me to 415-366-0900; a person at this number referred me to expo information at 800-767-2336. The person at this last number (800-767-2336) said that you can register anytime before the conference for $995 and get the software, but if you don't register by tomorrow (May 14th) the software may not be there for you at the conference (I assume it would be backordered and shipped later). So apparently a cutoff does exist, but it is one involving the guarantee of a software package actually being available for you at the Expo, not a question of $995 .vs. $1095. --- Don Sawtelle:Stonecutter Software:Mariposa, CA sawtelle@stonecutter.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: asm@eecg.toronto.edu (Anees S. Munshi) Subject: DSP56000 Gnu compiler wanted Message-ID: <1993May13.195611.14070@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> Organization: Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto Date: 13 May 93 23:56:11 GMT Has anyone compiled the Gnu compiler for the DSP56000? If so, please email me a note saying you have it (since I don't read the net very often these days). I'd like to get a copy, and I'm not sure I need all the libraries and support (?) that the C$700.00 commercial package gets me. Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anees Munshi, University of Toronto, Department of Electrical Engineering Email:asm@eecg.toronto.edu (NeXTMail accepted) Telephone: 416.929.5754 (Toronto), Fax: 416.929.5744 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stuarts@jeeves.ucdavis.edu (Stuart Staniford-Chen) Subject: Why is NeXT screen performance better than Sun? Message-ID: <C6zF44.BKC@ucdavis.edu> Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of California, Davis Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 20:19:16 GMT I own a NeXT station, but lately for various reasons I've been working on Sparc-2s quite a bit. The Sparc-2 has a significantly faster processor than my 040-25MHz, and yet I notice that the screen performance of the Sun is much slower and more irritating. It's awful at scrolling windows, menus take longer to pop-up etc etc. Could somebody knowledgeable comment on why this is? Is it that the NeXT has better video hardware, a better window manager or what? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart Staniford-Chen : stuarts@jeeves.ucdavis.edu Department of Physics : NeXT-Mail cheerfully accepted. UC Davis, CA 95616, USA. : (916) 752 9261
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT screen performance better than Sun? Message-ID: <1993May14.020812.29043@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <C6zF44.BKC@ucdavis.edu> Date: Fri, 14 May 93 02:08:12 GMT In article <C6zF44.BKC@ucdavis.edu> stuarts@jeeves.ucdavis.edu (Stuart Staniford-Chen) writes: > I own a NeXT station, but lately for various reasons I've been working > on Sparc-2s quite a bit. The Sparc-2 has a significantly faster processor > than my 040-25MHz, and yet I notice that the screen performance of the Sun > is much slower and more irritating. It's awful at scrolling windows, > menus take longer to pop-up etc etc. Could somebody knowledgeable comment > on why this is? Is it that the NeXT has better video hardware, a better > window manager or what? > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Stuart Staniford-Chen : stuarts@jeeves.ucdavis.edu > Department of Physics : NeXT-Mail cheerfully accepted. > UC Davis, CA 95616, USA. : (916) 752 9261 You wouldn't be using OpenWindows, would you... ;-) I used the previous version of OpenWindows on a Sparc 1+ for a month once. I survived, but it must have taken a year out of my life! Users here have a choice between straight X11R5 and OpenWindows (on Sparc 2) and noone uses OpenWindows because it so much slower than X. Straight X, on the other hand is faster than NeXTstep in the sense that the menus pop up instantly, etc. Of course, user only log on to the Sparcs when all the NeXTs are busy, because X, albeit faster, is still ridiculously primitive. Try scrolling in Xman, for instance, and thrill at the screen updating (hopefully, this never works on our Dec...) when you stop scrolling. Or, try cutting and pasting many huge selections back and forth rapidly without crashing something (this used to be a real winner with SunView, by the way). Anyway, I guess you wanted a knowledgeable, calm answer... :-) Well, I'm not sure I can provide that, but my educated guess would be that it is all in the software; X is a large, ugly, old-fashioned buggy hack, and OpenWindows is an enormous, hideous, old-fashioned buggy hack. -- Magnus Nordborg Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: MPEG Files Message-ID: <1993May14.023508.297@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 02:35:08 GMT About a week ago, someone posted a note about where MPEG files could be found. Where was that? Thanks Wes Spears -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Uncompressing and Untaring Message-ID: <1993May14.045758.860@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 04:57:58 GMT Suddenly, files I get do not uncompress and then unarchive in the correct manner. Any ideas. If a person who reads this and a copy of opener or something else that will handle .Z files and /or .tar.Z files. Please email me a note. As we know if everyone sends me a copy, then my modem will be tied up for days. Any other suggestions are welcome. Thanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anybody want NS/FIP? I get Conference you get NS/FIP? Date: 14 May 1993 09:04:34 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1svjqi$284@steffi.demon.co.uk> Folks, I have booked my ticket to Expo. I am prepared to reliquish a copy of NS/FIP for the price of attending the Developers Conference. If anybody would like NS/FIP for that price then please get in touch with me. I will be arriving in San Fransisco on the 24th. Cheers. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "How's the NeXT booth?" "Pretty good actually; they have one" (Paul Lynch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yann@dagobah.fdn.org (Yann Lechelle) Subject: Re: BackSpace won't launch?!?!?!? Message-ID: <1993May14.084249.385@dagobah.fdn.org> Sender: yann@dagobah.fdn.org Organization: Individual References: <C6zEGz.L32@news.iastate.edu> Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 08:42:49 GMT In article <C6zEGz.L32@news.iastate.edu> sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) writes: > Has anyone out there ever had a problem getting BackSpace to launch? > > I double click on the icon, it turns white, moves down, begins launching, > then dies. can it be that you have created a stripped (from the Unix 'strip' command) version of the binary ? In this case, Backspace won't be able to dynamically load the modules and will die. -- / ================================================= \ \ Yann Lechelle (Paris, FRANCE) / / yann@dagobah.fdn.org Email/NeXTmail \ \ "grep me no patterns and I'll tell you no lines." /
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Update on (low-) budget NeXTWORLD EXPO housing Message-ID: <1993May13.163553.5294@nic.csu.net> From: preuss@futon.SFSU.EDU (Peter Preuss) Date: 13 May 93 16:35:48 PDT Distribution: world Organization: San Francisco State University Re: Update on (low-) budget NeXTWORLD EXPO housing If you're looking for affordable lodging during expo, read on. Still, the downtown SF Youth Hostel @ 116 Turk (415.346-7835) seems to be the best bet. It's just 3 blocks away from the Powell MUNI/BART Station, which in turn is just a couple of blocks away from the Moscone Expo Center and various other partying sites. They charge $14 for singles, $24, $34, $40 for parties of two, three, and four people. No age limit to qualify as "youth"! The larger SF International Hostel at Fort Mason (415.771-7277) offers a beautiful view across the bay, but takes a little longer to reach by public trans (1 block from 42 Bus line). $12 per person. Check-in is possible as late as 1am. Advanced reservations only with non-refundable pre-payment, credit cards accepted. Matt Kreger contributed: One step up, but still quite affordable is Pension San Francisco... European style (shared baths) hotel, won NY Times Budget Choice 1993 Single twin $42, Single full $45, Double full $52, Double twins $55 Plus 11% hotel tax. Tel: 415-864-1271 FAX: 415-861-8116 1668 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94102 It's about 10 blocks up from Moscone Conv. Ctr., about 8 to the Castro! Tell them Matt Kreger (who is staying for the Expo) sent you. [They accept advanced reservations with your credit card too.] Peter Preuss NeXTWORLD EXPO Volunteer preuss@futon.sfsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com Subject: archive of comp.sys.next.{advocacy,misc,software} Message-ID: <C6zKqv.4o6@ensuing.com> Sender: karl@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Organization: Ensuing Technologies Inc. Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 22:20:52 GMT Does anyone know of a relatively up to date archive of posts to comp.sys.next.advocacy comp.sys.next.misc comp.sys.next.software In particular, I'm looking for the period Nov 92 - Mar 93. If you happen to have an archive of these months, or know where I can find them, please drop me a little email letting me know. PLEASE I beg you don't mail me the entire thing. Just tell me that you have it and we will make arrangements. Thank You -- _________ Karl Kraft Karl Kraft@ensuing.com (NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jdeclari@is.rpslmc.edu (John-William DeClaris) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT screen performance better than Sun? Message-ID: <1993May14.150215.10530@rpslmc.edu> Sender: news@rpslmc.edu Organization: Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center References: <C6zF44.BKC@ucdavis.edu> Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 15:02:15 GMT In article <C6zF44.BKC@ucdavis.edu> stuarts@jeeves.ucdavis.edu (Stuart Staniford-Chen) writes: > I own a NeXT station, but lately for various reasons I've been working > on Sparc-2s quite a bit. The Sparc-2 has a significantly faster processor > than my 040-25MHz, and yet I notice that the screen performance of the Sun > is much slower and more irritating. It's awful at scrolling windows, > menus take longer to pop-up etc etc. Could somebody knowledgeable comment > on why this is? Is it that the NeXT has better video hardware, a better > window manager or what? > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Stuart Staniford-Chen : stuarts@jeeves.ucdavis.edu > Department of Physics : NeXT-Mail cheerfully accepted. > UC Davis, CA 95616, USA. : (916) 752 9261 --If you werre using Openwindows2.0 that would explain it. Openwin 2.0 was not very good. Openwin3.0 is better. I used X windows myself. Xwindows lets you customize your environment and that is always nice. John-William DeClaris All comments made by me are mine and not reflective of RUSH or anyone else... even any spelling errors I most likely made. Live each day as if it were your last, because someday it will be. -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FYI;"!4:6UE<RU2;VUA;CM]"EQM M87)G;#$R,`I<;6%R9W(Q,C`*7'!A<F1<='@V-#!<='@Q,C@P7'1X,3DR,%QT M>#(U-C!<='@S,C`P7'1X,S@T,%QT>#0T.#!<='@U,3(P7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8T M,#!<9C!<8EQI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,S,EQF8S!<8V8P($EN(&%R=&EC;&4@/$,V M>D8T-"Y"2T-`=6-D879I<RYE9'4^('-T=6%R='-`:F5E=F5S+G5C9&%V:7,N M961U("A3='5A<G0@4W1A;FEF;W)D+4-H96XI('=R:71E<SI<"CX@22!O=VX@ M82!.95A4('-T871I;VXL(&)U="!L871E;'D@9F]R('9A<FEO=7,@<F5A<V]N M<R!))W9E(&)E96X@=V]R:VEN9UP*/B!O;B!3<&%R8RTR<R!Q=6ET92!A(&)I M="X@(%1H92!3<&%R8RTR(&AA<R!A('-I9VYI9FEC86YT;'D@9F%S=&5R('!R M;V-E<W-O<B`@7`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`H^(%-T=6%R="!3=&%N:69O<F0M0VAE M;@D).B`@<W1U87)T<T!J965V97,N=6-D879I<RYE9'5<"CX@1&5P87)T;65N M="!O9B!0:'ES:6-S"0DZ("!.95A4+4UA:6P@8VAE97)F=6QL>2!A8V-E<'1E M9"Y<"CX@54,@1&%V:7,L($-!(#DU-C$V+"!54T$N"3H@("@Y,38I(#<U,B`Y M,C8Q(%P*7`HM+4EF('EO=2!W97)R92!U<VEN9R!/<&5N=VEN9&]W<S(N,"`@ M=&AA="!W;W5L9"!E>'!L86EN(&ET+B`@3W!E;G=I;B`R+C`@=V%S(&YO="!V M97)Y(&=O;V0N("!/<&5N=VEN,RXP(&ES(&)E='1E<BX@($D@=7-E9"!8('=I M;F1O=W,@;7ES96QF+B`@6'=I;F1O=W,@;&5T<R!Y;W4@8W5S=&]M:7IE('EO M=7(@96YV:7)O;FUE;G0@86YD('1H870@:7,@86QW87ES(&YI8V4N"EP*2F]H M;BU7:6QL:6%M($1E0VQA<FES7`I!;&P@8V]M;65N=',@;6%D92!B>2!M92!A M<F4@;6EN92!A;F0@;F]T(')E9FQE8W1I=F4@;V8@4E532"!<"F]R(&%N>6]N M92!E;'-E+BXN(&5V96X@86YY('-P96QL:6YG(&5R<F]R<R!)(&UO<W0@;&EK M96QY(&UA9&4N(%P*3&EV92!E86-H(&1A>2!A<R!I9B!I="!W97)E('EO=7(@ D;&%S="P@8F5C875S92!S;VUE9&%Y(&ET('=I;&P@8F4N"GT* `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: MPEG Files Message-ID: <1993May14.150624.12826@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993May14.023508.297@weston.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 93 15:06:24 GMT Wes Spears writes > About a week ago, someone posted a note about where MPEG > files could be found. Where was that? Check on alt.binaries.pictures.utilities for FAQs with addresses of MPEG sites. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rzewski@northstar.com (Alexis Rzewski) Subject: Re: Who designed the NeXT logo? Message-ID: <C70tMB.7F1@northstar.com> Sender: usenet@northstar.com (usenet) Organization: NorthStar Technologies, Inc. References: <C6xKJJ.7qo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 14:30:10 GMT In article <C6xKJJ.7qo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: > > signed Paul Rand, Weston, Connecticut, Spring 1986. > > Rand is considered >the< logo guy by a lot of people. He also did the > logos for ABC (the US TV network), IBM, and Westinghouse (? the > circled W that looks kind of like an electronic component). Think he > did the Apple logo too. > There is a brand new book in bookstores all over just published this month by Rand and his views of the "state of design" in America today. Alexis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhh@waldzell.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) Subject: Stupid TeXview question Message-ID: <1993May14.192616.12760@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 19:26:16 GMT I just put TeX onto a new machine (I know, NeXT doesn't make new machines, but it took the bozos here five months to string an ethernet cable), and can't get TeXview to work quite right. It can't handle TeX documents in landscape mode. It just chops off the edges and doesn't let you look at them. The irritating thing is that all of our other machines have no problems with the same files. What's the trick to get TeXview to open up with the correct size and orientation when given a new TeX file? I've been able to detect no differences in the TeX on the different machines. I'm running a NeXTstation Turbo with 3.0. -- Jim Horne jhh@waldzell.physics.yale.edu "We Americans, we're a simple people... but piss us off, and we'll bomb your cities." -- Robin Williams
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: For Zach Beckman (Your uucp is screwed) Date: 14 May 1993 13:22:25 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t02u1$3q9@steffi.demon.co.uk> Zach a few weeks ago I tried to reach you and got bounces. I sent mail to you yesterday and got the following bounce. Have you had any mail successfully delivered to you recently? Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 02:50:10 -0700 To: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk Subject: Execution failed To: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk Message from UUCP on dolphin Fri May 14 02:50:08 1993 Execution request failed: rmail zac@dolphin.com Standard error output was: sh: 17805 Memory fault -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "How's the NeXT booth?" "Pretty good actually; they have one" (Paul Lynch)
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is the MPEG player? Date: 14 May 1993 21:53:08 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t14c4INN31e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I know this question has been answered before, but can anyone tell me where I can find a public domain mpeg player for NeXTSTEP 3.0? Thanks, Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Where is the MPEG player? Message-ID: <1993May14.222557.26902@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1t14c4INN31e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 14 May 93 22:25:57 GMT Eric M Hermanson writes > I know this question has been answered before, but can anyone > tell me where I can find a public domain mpeg player > for NeXTSTEP 3.0? cs.orst.edu, in pub/sources/graphics. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: orange@alfred.carleton.ca (Paul Vallee) Subject: EDU prices released in France??? Message-ID: <orange.737420471@cunews> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 23:01:11 GMT In <1993May13.164408.26928@cubx.fdn.org>, b_brottier@cubx.com writes: Newsgroups: fdn.comp.sys.next,fr.comp.sys.next,fr.comp.windows.nextstep En direct de la planete bonne nouvelles ... Voici les dernieres infos a propos de la politique tarifaire de notre OS prefere: NS/FIP 3.1 utilisateur 4950 FF HT (avec doc fran aise) NS/FIP 3.1 COMPLEMENT d veloppeur 13950 FF HT (soit total 18900 FFHT) (avec doc A&W compl te) NS/FIP 3.1 utilisateur+d veloppeur POUR ducation et tudiant (avec doc utilisateur fran aise) 1650 FFHT --- end quoted text... Does anyone else see how amazing this is??? The french franc sells at about 4 to the $, last I checked, (admittedly long ago, but...)... that means that NS/i educational would cost, let's see... about 415$???, including developer... Is that great or what? Hope this cheers everyone up, orange@ccs.carleton.ca ------- Paul Vallee ---- 542429@acadvm1.uottawa.ca "It is preferable to incur a mild punishment than to perform an onerous task." --- Roald Dahl ------------Home: (613)234-6625 --------- Work: (613)995-4095------------
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Use of gzip in installer packages Date: 14 May 1993 23:12:04 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t1904$a45@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1sjh2gINN709@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > I just noticed in the Rocks package a file called "pre_install", > which is executed (of course) before installing. This solves the > use-of-gzip-for-installer-packages problem. Yeah, but it's a solution I'm not too comfortable with. This means you have to run a program as part of the installation process, and it's a little disconcerting to do that (if you're running as root, for instance). It also means that you have to include (in the package) a version of gzip that works on all platforms. Ick. It would be really nice if the Installer from NeXT included support for .gz files, and then we wouldn't need these contortions to take advantage of the improved compression. > You simply include a copy of the gzip executable (maybe a fat binary > if it's a fat package), and have pre_install ungzip (de-z) and > recompress (re-Z) the tar file. > > This allows the package to take up (often considerably) less space > on either disk or the ftp sites. Except that once you've done the install, isn't the package file un-zipped and recompressed? At that point it's taking up more space on your hard disk then if it was just compressed (since you have both the compressed file and this version of gzip lying around). What happens if one tries to use the same package file to install the program on more than one NeXT? -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kenr@shl.com (Ken Rossen) Subject: NS486 on ThinkPad? Message-ID: <C71A6x.F6L@ima.isc.com> Sender: usenet@ima.isc.com (news) Organization: INTERACTIVE/SHL Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 20:28:08 GMT I've read the FAQ on NS486, but I haven't followed much of the discussion in this newsgroup, so apologies for the question. (also the last FAQ for NS486 I could locate seems to be a bit old) Anyone among the beta group running NextStep 486 on an IBM ThinkPad? I have to make a decision about a notebook soon, and I'm interested in anyone's comments (from experience or otherwise) as what NextStep configuration based on the forthcoming 720c is feasible/sensible/risky, etc. also, will NS486 on a ThinkPad be exhibited at the Expo by anyone? Please e-mail replies whether or not you decide to post. Thanks in advance. -- KENR@SHL.COM Systemhouse
From: j1b192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (David Tai Wai Ng) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/I deal Date: 15 May 1993 02:20:36 -0700 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t2cl4INNi2o@gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca> Hello all, I have a friend interested to go to NWE. However he only has enough money for air fare and accomodation. If you would like to pay the developer conferece and NS/I, I am sure he is willing to go. Details can be discussed later. Please reply to me thru email. Thanks. David Email address: j1b192@remote.rick.cs.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: EDU prices released in France??? Message-ID: <1993May15.120918.15943@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <orange.737420471@cunews> Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 12:09:18 GMT In article <orange.737420471@cunews> orange@alfred.carleton.ca (Paul Vallee) writes: > In <1993May13.164408.26928@cubx.fdn.org>, b_brottier@cubx.com writes: > Newsgroups: > fdn.comp.sys.next,fr.comp.sys.next,fr.comp.windows.nextstep > > En direct de la planete bonne nouvelles ... > > Voici les dernieres infos a propos de la politique tarifaire de notre > OS prefere: > > NS/FIP 3.1 utilisateur 4950 FF HT > (avec doc fran aise) +/- $935 before taxes (and taxes in Europe are around 18%, so:) $1100 after taxes > > NS/FIP 3.1 COMPLEMENT d veloppeur 13950 FF HT > (soit total 18900 FFHT) > (avec doc A&W compl te) +/- $2635 before taxes, $3100 after taxes. > > NS/FIP 3.1 utilisateur+d veloppeur POUR ducation et tudiant > (avec doc utilisateur fran aise) > 1650 FFHT +/- $310 before taxes, $370 after taxes. > > > --- end quoted text... > > Does anyone else see how amazing this is??? The french franc sells at > about 4 to the $, last I checked, (admittedly long ago, but...)... > that means that NS/i educational would cost, let's see... about > 415$???, including developer... > > Is that great or what? The franc sells ate roughly 5.3 against the US dollar. > > Hope this cheers everyone up, > Only if you're educational. I'm a private user. Where do I get $3100? (It's even worse here. The price is DFL 5500 ($3590) without taxes (17.5%) which means that I would have to pay $4218 for user+developer....) Not really cheerful, -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Use of gzip in installer packages Date: 15 May 1993 15:28:04 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t3264INNrg2@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1sjh2gINN709@gap.caltech.edu> <1t1904$a45@usenet.rpi.edu> >> Yeah, but it's a solution I'm not too comfortable with. Sure, it'd be nice if NeXT included gzip along with support for it in Installer and Workspace. However, they're not, and even if they did, you might still want to support 3.0 systems that you know don't have it, so you'd need a pre_install anyway. It could check the version of the system to see if it needed to bother with the ungzipping. >> What happens if one tries to use the >> same package file to install the program on more than one NeXT? Either post_install could return it to the gzipped state to take less space, or it could just leave it alone (and pre_install could detect that it had nothing to do). I think the latter is preferrable if you were doing multiple installs on a network, to save time. The main advantage in gzipping is for ftp or diskette distribution. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: Spare Room in SF? Message-ID: <1993May15.182840@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 16:28:40 GMT Having Bart (Bay Area Rapid Transit) as first name and being born on the 17th of March (St Patrick's Day), I am predestinated to come to the NeXTWORLD Expo in San Francisco. Unfortunately, I live in the Netherlands which is a long way from SF. Dutch universities do pay their PhD students, but not nearly enough to allow them luxurious trips such as going to SF. Well, I can't save money on the airticket, nor on the developer conference fee. That leaves accommodation as only option to save some money. I will be in the SF area from 22 may to 30 may, and spending those days in one of the nice conference hotels would cost me a lot of money. Therefore, I am looking for other accommodation. Please, if you have a spare room (if only for a few days), I would be very grateful if I could rent/use it. I promise I will be the perfect guest in your house. Bart Botma -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: phil@cnam.cnam.fr (Philippe Provost) Subject: NeXTworld For FRENCH dev.. Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 16:18:49 +0000 Message-ID: <199305151610.AA11872@cnam.cnam.fr> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Bonjour, Ce message s adresse a tous les francais qui partent pour la NeXTWorld. y allant, j aimerai connaitre ceux qui font le deplacement, histoire de ne pas me retrouver tou seul... comment avez vous resolu le pb du logement ? phil@cnam.cnam.fr Hi, I am a french student and i will go the the NeXTWorld, but i can not afford the expensives hotels metionned by conrad Geiger. So my question is: dear fellows, could you direct a french student(and poooor) to something reasonable ? I apology for using net band... phil@cnam.cnam.fr
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Why not develop NS/Intel on old NeXT hardware? Date: 15 May 1993 11:57:28 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1t3eeo$p1d@spock.dis.cccd.edu> I've been looking around in Marketplace and am wondering why people don't consider developing (under NS 3.1 developer) for the Intel platform using the old hardware. Are people assuming that because NeXT dropped the 68k hardware that one cannot continue to develop on it? NS 3.1 or 3.2 for 68k is supposed to allow us to continue to develop for the Intel platform with little time spent on porting because of fat binaries. Isn't this true? I kinda feel like I missed something with everyone giving away their stuff. maurices
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Use of gzip in installer packages Message-ID: <67617@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 15 May 93 18:42:37 GMT References: <1sjh2gINN709@gap.caltech.edu> <1t1904$a45@usenet.rpi.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1t1904$a45@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > once you've done the install [using Installer.app], isn't the package file un-zipped > and recompressed? nope I dont think so. at least the compressed tar copy is NOT kept in the /NextLibrary/Receipts directory if the package is installed. the original package is unchanged of course, but there is no reason to keep it after the installation. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andy@philo.mcgill.ca (Andrew Burday) Subject: How to associate sounds with events? Message-ID: <1993May15.225647.13362@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Keywords: Sounds, .snd Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 22:56:47 GMT Could somebody please tell me how to associate sounds with events -- e.g., the ever-famous and original toilet flushing when you empty the recycler? I assume that there is a way to do this. People can't be using all those sounds on orst just to replace the system beep. Is there, perhaps, a way to do this using dwrite? Thanks in advance. Andrew Burday andy@philo.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Why not develop NS/Intel on old NeXT hardware? Message-ID: <1993May16.001608.21336@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1t3eeo$p1d@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 00:16:08 GMT In article <1t3eeo$p1d@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: >I've been looking around in Marketplace and am wondering why people don't >consider developing (under NS 3.1 developer) for the Intel platform using >the old hardware. Are people assuming that because NeXT dropped the >68k hardware that one cannot continue to develop on it? NS 3.1 or 3.2 for 68k >is supposed to allow us to continue to develop for the Intel platform with >little time spent on porting because of fat binaries. Isn't this true? For the most part, yes. You'll probably still want to have an Intel, er, AMD/Cyrix box available for final testing. > I kinda feel like I missed something with everyone giving away their stuff. You did. 3.0's sluggish behavior wasn't due to the m68k hardware; any apparent performance advantage you saw on Intel boxes was _artificial_ (can you say "creative" marketing?). The good news is that 3.1 on Black Hardware looks like it's going to be a total speed demon, and a 25MHz slab with 16MB RAM now compares favorably with a 66MHz 486DX2 with "accelerated graphics" and twice as much memory. Users with 33MHz Turbo hardware are going to be rolling over laughing at the 486 products*. Why do you think Intel is pushing Pentium now? They have to--merely to compete with older '040 technology (and that includes Apple's Centris and Quadra lines). It's "New Coke" all over again! I see a lot of people begging for the return of Black Hardware (which, as you all know by now, not only isn't dead, but better things than Turbos are in the pipeline). You've all had the wool pulled over your eyes. Intel got conned, Canon learned who was in charge, NeXT's customers are about to get milked again, NeXT's "dead wood" was jettisonned, the U.S. government was pacified, and a lot of Jobs' critics are eating crow. *In all fairness to NS/FIP, it's still the best thing you can run on an Intel box. But understand that it's targeted towards those people who Truly Believe that Intel is God's Gift to Desktop Computing--it is by no means the premier NEXTSTEP implementation--and very much a "low end" version. (It's also badly unfinished; you'll be able to get _something_ May 25, but I fully expect NS/FIP to get lukewarm reviews in most computer publications until the 3.2 release.) -=EPS=- -- DEC is about to introduce an "Alpha PC" for around $3500 that will run Windows NT and blow the doors off Pentium. Using a 125MHz Alpha AXP processor, it won't compete with DEC's high-end workstations, but it's designed with field upgrades in mind.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: PPP for NeXT Message-ID: <1993May16.032922.8218@venice.sedd.trw.com> Originator: verket@verket-home Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <1993May10.123207.15086@xexos.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 03:29:22 GMT In article <1993May10.123207.15086@xexos.com> mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) writes: > In article <C6rJB1.64C@nextsrv1.andi.org> bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) > writes: > > You can ftp to morningstar.com and take a look at what they have in > > the way of PPP. We have been using their beta version 1.4 on a 25Mhz > > 040 machine and it works great. > > > > Whats the position with the Morningstar stuff? Is it free, pd, or is the > version you ftp a timed demo or something? Morningstar SELLS an excellant ppp/slip/cslip implementation for the NeXT, RS6000s and Suns. One of their employees _participated_ in a ppp implementation a _long_ time ago. It is not maintained in any way by Morningstar from what I hear. Given the number of changes in the ppp definition that's important. If you don't mind paying, their implementation and above all service is first rate. Just a happy customer... Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Dolphin Technologies Signs Cooperative Agreement With TRW Message-ID: <1993May16.022821.430@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 02:28:21 GMT Press Release Dolphin Technologies Inc. Signs Cooperative Agreement With TRW Contact: Norman B. Furlong Dolphin Technologies Inc. 10329 Viretta Lane Beverly Glen, CA 90077-2723 April 23, 1993 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA--Dolphin Technologies Inc. has signed a cooperative agreement to pursue new business opportunities in information management systems in law enforcement markets with TRW Systems Engineering and Development Division. The two companies will target customers requiring UNIX custom software development, with an emphasis on the NeXTSTEP platform. Dolphin Software, a consulting group of Dolphin Technologies Inc., began its first project with TRW, developing an information management system for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. The project was launched in January of this year. "Our first development effort as a team is off to an excellent start," said Norman B. Furlong, principal, Dolphin Technologies Inc. "Dolphin has a strong commitment to the NeXTSTEP platform. We view NeXTSTEP as a revolutionary system for development and are constantly seeking new avenues through which we can continue advanced development," added Zacharias J. Beckman, founder, Dolphin Technologies Inc. TRW's Systems Engineering and Development Division is a part of the Systems Integration Group. The Group provides civil, commercial, and government customers with a wide range of systems engineering and integration services. Dolphin Software is a consulting group of Dolphin Technologies Inc., dedicated to the NeXT computer platform for the development of leading-edge mission critical applications and specializes in object oriented development. Dolphin Technologies Inc. is headquartered in Beverly Glen, California. The company performs systems engineering, mission critical development, and object oriented consulting services and specializes in information management and document management technology. For additional information contact Norman B. Furlong at 800-843-0328; electronic mail can be directed to info@dolphin.com. -- END -- -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Technologies Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: Why not develop NS/Intel on old NeXT hardware? Message-ID: <bchin.737504259@nextsrv1> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1t3eeo$p1d@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 22:17:39 GMT maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: >I've been looking around in Marketplace and am wondering why people don't >consider developing (under NS 3.1 developer) for the Intel platform using >the old hardware. Are people assuming that because NeXT dropped the >68k hardware that one cannot continue to develop on it? NS 3.1 or 3.2 for 68k >is supposed to allow us to continue to develop for the Intel platform with >little time spent on porting because of fat binaries. Isn't this true? > I kinda feel like I missed something with everyone giving away their stuff. I think a lot of developers are going to do just that. I can think of reasons why one would go ahead and sell the m68k hardware. 1. Need to run OS/2, Win NT, DOS, etc. I know a friend that sold her machine because of this, now that she can get both worlds. 2. Must QA on the Intel hardware and can only afford one machine. 3. Speed. A 486/DX2 66mhz with a DPT EISA SCSI card & SCSI-2 fast HD screams. After all, to a developer, it's not necessarily app availability or even graphics performance. It's how fast can I compile a megabyte of classes and fire up gdb? :-) 4. They aren't developers. 5. They need the money. I for one, intend to hold on to my distinctive black NeXTstation for at least a good bit longer. It Just Works. :-) Plus, I have access to NS/Intel hardware so I don't need one on my desk. Of course, if I manage to find a *really* sweet deal, who knows? -- Bill Chin, NeXTSTEP Developer, PRC Inc. VP Communications, Washington Area NeXT Users Group Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Technical Staff bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Subject: compiled Xview libaries for NeXT: where? Message-ID: <1993May16.084023.27315@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 08:40:23 GMT Can anyone point me to a compiled version of the Xview libraries on the net for NeXTSTEP 3.0? I've grown quite frustrated trying to compile them. Thanks, --Glenn Brown
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: X applications for the NeXT -- I've got lots Message-ID: <scott.737550301@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Keywords: free, helpful, altruist Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 11:05:01 GMT I've spent a lot of time compiling various X applications for my NeXT, running a NeXTstation Colour and Cub'X (R4, not R5)... enclosed is a brief list of the apps I have, if you are interested in any of these, let me know, i'll be happy to either coach on how to force the source to compile or send you the binary (you can trust me, honest). ImageMagick (latest version (not sure of the number)) xv-3.0 xmosaic 1.0 xgopher 1.2 And lots of other random utilities.... Lemme know if I can help, Scott -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Did you know that the computer invented itself?" - SNL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joseph@lilliput.fdn.org (Joseph Goldstone) Subject: Re: Neuron Fax9600+ software Message-ID: <1993May15.204547.10235@lilliput.fdn.org> Sender: joseph@lilliput.fdn.org Organization: Lilliputian Pictures - Paris, France. References: <1993May7.065116.7742@metrosoft.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 20:45:47 GMT Gordon Van Huizen writes > In article <1sb42hINN93n@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> bwp@engin.umich.edu > (Bruce Wayne Patton) writes: > > I just bought a used Neuron 9600+ modem. The Neuron > > software that came with it is release 1.3b. Does anyone > > out there have a later version that I could copy? (version > > 1.3b simply hangs up on my Next and does work at all). Any > > suggestions/hints would be most appreciated. > > My advice? Get your money back if you possibly can. > There's a high probability that your modem will never > work succesfully as a fax modem and will likely be > tempermental as a data modem. The last release that I know > of that works (and I use that term loosely) with a 96+ is > 1.50. Even with that you aren't looking at a bright > future. > > Unless you paid next to nothing for the modem, intend to > use it purely for data, and don't intend to use their > terminal package - get out of it now! > > The 1414's can be upgraded with newer ROMd and can work > with B&W's NXFax software (highly recommended) but the > 96+'s are a dead end that never really got out of the beta > cycle. > I too am stuck with a Neuron FAX96+, and it's been increasingly unreliable, both with every upward NeXTSTEP release change and, seemingly, with the passage of time. The modem is really a Digicom 9624LE+ and I'm talking with Digicom about getting new ROMs for it, to undo the Neuron-specific stuff and make it into a "standard Digicom 9624LE+". If a "standard Digicom 9624LE+" is sufficiently close to some really common, household-brand data/fax modem, then perhaps the people who make either DFax or NXFax can be persuaded to support it, if it's not a wild divergence from what they already support. Speaking of DFax, could some kind soul send me their e-mail address? If the kind soul is at DFax, could you send me a product description that includes a list of currently supported modems? Thanks very much.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@azetsys.uucp (Operator) Subject: Opener, xlharc Message-ID: <1993May16.145425.1049@azetsys.uucp> Organization: CleverLever Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 14:54:25 GMT Hi, The Opener.app contains an old xlharc source and binary which does not work. I have obtained a newer source, compiled it, and inserted the binaries into Opener.app, and now it works. I have no direct net access, so if anyone would like to put it in one of the archives, please send me your email address and I'll send you the binaries uuencoded. Geza.. azetsys!root@uunet.UU.NET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pmancini@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Peter Mancini) Subject: Looking for NeXT machine for sale Message-ID: <1993May16.213502.11964@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Sender: usenet@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (usenet dummy) Organization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 21:35:02 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why not develop NS/Intel on old NeXT hardware? Message-ID: <SCOTT.93May17013354@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 17 May 93 01:33:54 References: <1t3eeo$p1d@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <1993May16.001608.21336@csus.edu> Organization: Is a sign of weakness In-reply-to: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU's message of Sun, 16 May 1993 00:16:08 GMT In article <1993May16.001608.21336@csus.edu>, eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: >In article <1t3eeo$p1d@spock.dis.cccd.edu> > maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: >>NS 3.1 or 3.2 for 68k is supposed to allow us to continue to >>develop for the Intel platform with little time spent on porting >>because of fat binaries. Isn't this true? > >For the most part, yes. You'll probably still want to have an >Intel, er, AMD/Cyrix box available for final testing. Definitely. The approach I'm taking is to _assume_ that fat binaries compiled under NS3.1 for either Intel or Moto will be _identical_. If not, then there's potential for some serious problems, because not only will you have to debug actual problems, you'll also have to worry about whether the bug would be there depending on what machine you compiled on ... Also, note that you'll have a hard time debugging Intel-specific problems with a Motorola machine. So, it might still be necessary to at least have access to an Intel machine with development environment. The inverse problem is definitely there - but, over time will become less of a problem, rather than more. >> I kinda feel like I missed something with everyone giving away >> their stuff. > >You did. 3.0's sluggish behavior wasn't due to the m68k hardware; >any apparent performance advantage you saw on Intel boxes was >_artificial_ (can you say "creative" marketing?). In many cases, the speed gain won't even be artificial, it will be _negative_. With the NeXT hardware, you had a group of people sitting down and designing hardware to run a specific OS. They could integrate the various pieces in such a way that they support each other. Perhaps the '040 isn't the most awesome chip around, and perhaps the graphics aren't the greatest, but they function well together. In a PC, on the other hand, you can purchase the best CPU, the best disk drive, the best video card, and the fastest memory, and _still_ end up with lackluster performance. More than likely, some essential piece of the puzzle is not going to be there, probably the bus. This is exactly the same situation that occurs if you buy DRAM for old monochrome systems that is faster than 100ns. It can be faster than heck, but the system can only access it at 100ns. There will also be a mindset problem. When checking out hardware, remember that hardware the PC market thinks is "faster than all get-out" was probably running on workstations three or four years ago, and today is considered slightly out of date. Furthermore, PC hardware is designed to run under a primitive single-tasking operating system, which allows many corners to be cut without affecting performance. This isn't a fundamental problem of the Intel architecture. '486 is less efficient than '040 in many ways, and is certainly more painful from a theoretical point of view due to it's accumulator architecture, but I don't think that's a big problem. General purpose registers vs. accumulators is only a valid comparison when comparing similar resource usage. But, Intel has orders of magnitude more resources, so I'm thinking they'll have no problem teaching the horse to fly. So, there's no reason to believe that there won't be any decent machines to run NeXTSTEP - just that most machines won't run it decently. NeXT realizes this, too. How many NeXT people talk about how much cheaper NeXTSTEP will be on Intel machines? None, because capable hardware _won't_ be any cheaper. What you hear is "industry standard architecture" and "open hardware" and "more choices". These _are_ powerful arguments, though. People moving to PCs from NeXT hardware are going to be looking back on the good old days with a wistful tear in their eye. On the other hand, PCs running NeXTSTEP have no worse hardware-type problems than the same PC running Windows. Perhaps >It's "New Coke" all over again! I see a lot of people begging >for the return of Black Hardware (which, as you all know by now, >not only isn't dead, but better things than Turbos are in the >pipeline). Even worse - there's nothing really wrong with Turbo color performance. In most of the cases where things are slow, it's not the hardware that's at fault, it's the software. Remember when we went from '030 to '040? 3x-4x CPU speedup, but software that required 60 seconds to launch still required 30 seconds after the upgrade. Toss in another 3x-4x CPU speedup, and that's down to 15 seconds. Still disgusting. Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfr@RedBrick.COM (Jon Rosen) Subject: Gassee gets Gates (was Re: Why not develop NS/Intel on old NeXT hardware? Message-ID: <1993May17.075910.357@RedBrick.COM> Sender: usenet@RedBrick.COM (Net News Account) Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 07:59:10 GMT In article <SCOTT.93May17013354@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes: >[munch] >People moving to PCs from NeXT hardware are going to be looking >back on the good old days with a wistful tear in their eye. On the >other hand, PCs running NeXTSTEP have no worse hardware-type problems >than the same PC running Windows. Perhaps At the annual Computer Trivia show (a fundraiser in San Jose which gets a lot of industry bigwigs together to compete on obscure computer questions with a lot of money being raised for charity), Jean Louis-Gassee, formerly of Apple, got Bill Gates big-time. Gates acted as moderator for the event which was done in Hollywood Squares-style, and he asked the question "There is a long-running contest on the Usenet to write the most confusing or bizarre but working C program. Name this contest." Gassee, without a hesitation, responded "Microsoft Windows". He got a big laugh out of that one :-) Jon Rosen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: jlc@alien.att.com (John L. Chmielewski) Subject: Looking for data-certified 8mm tapes for Exabyte Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 04:31:00 GMT Message-ID: <C701vs.BpC@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Sender: news@cbnewse.cb.att.com (NetNews Administrator) gfin@cyber.psych.ualberta.ca (Gary Finley) writes: > I've had some reliability problems using generic metal 8mm video > tape in an Exabyte 8200. I hear that there are data-certified > grade tapes available (Sony QG-112M is apparantly one such). Can > anyone recommend a cheap mailorder source of tape like this? A couple of months ago I purchased a Hi8mm camcorder, and was able to record on 8mm data tapes in the Hi8mm recording mode. When I compared the cases for 8mm, Hi8, and 8mm data tapes, the Hi8 and 8mm data were identical and differed from the 8mm tape by one hole. This permits the Hi8 camcorder to record properly on either 8mm tapes or Hi8mm tapes. I would suspect that a good quality super HG 8mm video tape could be used in place of the 8mm data tape in the Exabyte 8200 and be reliable. They cost about $8.00 mail order. At this point in time I would try the FUJI 8mm Video Super HG P6-120 tape. --- John Chmielewski jlc@attmail.com -- -- John L. Chmielewski Email: jlc@attmail.com Voice: 708-979-7860
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: needed Xwindow for Next Message-ID: <1993May17.110216.1030@cine88.cineca.it> From: Perrone Alessandro <perrone@unive.it> Date: 17 May 93 11:02:15 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: Universita' di Ca' Foscari, Venezia, Italy Hi, I'm a new user of this wondoerful computer. I'm looking for a Xwindow System (Public Domain) fully functional for the Cube. I have NextStep 3.0 installed in it. Could anyone tell me where I could take it? Thank in advance. ALEX
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hheller@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Helmut Heller) Subject: NS486 on PC with LOCALBUS?? Message-ID: <hheller.737641634@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> Keywords: NS486, LOCAL BUS Sender: news@news.lrz-muenchen.de (Mr. News) Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 12:27:14 GMT Hello, we are in the process of aquiring a 486 PC and I would like to keep the option for NS486 open. Right now we want to buy a LOCAL BUS machine (whatever that is) and I would like to know, if NS486 will run on such a machine. Can anyone give any hints? Please reply by e-mail to heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de Thanks a lot, -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted_________________ FAX: 089/2805-248 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: 089/2394-4565 -------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) Subject: Fan died - Is my slab irrepairably damaged? Message-ID: <1993May17.135217.2558@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 13:52:17 GMT Well after about three weeks of erratic behavior from a slab that I purchased used, I discovered that the fan has died. I don't know when or why. The erratic behavior took the form of ethernet problems and unexplained lockups. My cube was unable to boot from, or get files from, my slab except when the slab was dead cold. In addition after 24 to 48 hours of operation, by slab would lock up to the point that I couldn't even get it to respond to non-maskable interrupt requests, <cmd><cmd>*. Well, I'm trying to get another fan. Since ethernet would work toler- ably when the slab was cold ( until it heated up ), I'm hoping that the problems will solve themselves when a new fan is installed. My question is: How likely is it that irrepairable damage has been done to the machine, and how can I test it? In addition, is there anything about the fan that I need to be careful about? I was just planning to purchase a fan if similar size, voltage, and amperage. Finally, does anyone know if the fan was installed to suck air into the slab, through the vanes under the power supply, or to blow air our of the slab, over the vanes? God I hope the machine is all right! There is no way I can afford what Motorola will charge to repair the machine. - Max | William R. Herndon \ The MITRE Corporation, Dept. G023 | | EMail: wherndon@mitre.org \ Secure Information Technology | | NeXTMail: <out of order> \ MS-Z231, 703.883.6393 | | | | "The world bores you when you're cool." - Calvin |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Specs for NEC, NS/FIP Laptop/Notebook Message-ID: <1993May17.123706.1077@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 12:37:06 GMT I have heard about an NEC Notebook/Laptop being carried around bye NeXT to demo NS/FIP. Does anyone know the specifications of this machine. In particular, can you put a modem in it that will connect to a Cell Phone. If the answer is yes, which modem, and which phone. Thanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@kirin.huma.yorku.ca (David Aspinall) Subject: Integrating a Mac into a NeXT Network Message-ID: <C76KFr.1Kq@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Keywords: Mac NeXT next Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 16:57:26 GMT We have a small NeXT Lab (m68k) and we are now adding some Macintoshes. Could anyone offer me some advice on how to integrate the Mac into the existing setup. Some Details - The Macs are networked with 2 Quadra 850 servers. - None of the Macs will be running AUX (unix) - We would like to continue to get mail from the NeXT Mail server (thus mail continues to be centralized) - Public domain apps are prefered unless none can be found. Issues Proposed ======== ========== Telnet NCSA Telnet FTP Fetch Mail Pegasus ? <- suggestions needed NewsReader ??? FileSharing ??? (please no AFS please!) Any comments you may have are welcome. (including suggestions for other issues, curses, Mac advice, basicly send me a brain dump :) ) Thank you in advance, David See you all at NWX !!! -- David Aspinall ---------- Former-Former-NeXT Campus Consultant E-mail : cs911409@ariel.yorku.ca | I'd rather be NeXTMail: dave@ccs.yorku.ca | rich than stupid V-mail : (416) 663-4997 | -- Jack Handey
From: jonas@paris.history.washington.edu (Raymond Jonas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: file conversion Date: 17 May 1993 17:51:19 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1t8janINNfk4@news.u.washington.edu> Keywords: Adobe Illustrator, AutoCAD, DXF I need to bring some work over from AutoCAD (PC) to Adobe Illustrator on the Next. Some time ago I received a product announcement of some Next software that would convert DXF files (an AutoCAD format) to an Illustrator-compatible file format. I didn't save the announcement. Does anyone know this product? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raymond A. Jonas Department of History, DP-20 University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195 206-543-5790
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <scott.737656861@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Keywords: intel,NeXTstep Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 16:41:01 GMT As someone who will not be able to afford NeXTstep for Intel, and is not particularly interested in the flood of messages that are about to take place (Do you have a driver for X ethernet? What about Y video?) and so on...I think that we should get the move on in making comp.sys.next.intel or something like that in the very near future. What say you all? -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Did you know that the computer invented itself?" - SNL
From: waynem@bcarh178.bnr.ca (Wayne MacLaurin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Reading UNIX floppies Date: 17 May 1993 18:51:26 GMT Organization: S.I.R. Tools Development - BNR Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t8mre$mni@bcarhd4.bnr.ca> G'day, I've been trying to read standard UNIX type floppies on my NeXTStation Turbo (with the internal floppy drive) without success. Every disk I insert is rejected. I know these disks are readable on a UNIX box (SUN or HP) but the NeXT refuses to accept them ? Isn't a NeXT suppose to be able to read unix/mac/dos floppies equally well ? What do I have to do to make this work ? These disks contain tar or cpio archives. Thanks, +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Wayne MacLaurin S.I.R. Tools Development | | waynem@bnr.ca Bell Northern Research | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Did you got rid of all the voices in your head ? - David | | Do you now miss them and things that they said ? - Gilmour | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
From: waynem@bcarh178.bnr.ca (Wayne MacLaurin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Trash on external harddrives Date: 17 May 1993 18:53:23 GMT Organization: S.I.R. Tools Development - BNR Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t8mv3$mrm@bcarhd4.bnr.ca> G'day, I've just installed two external disks on my NeXT slab. Whenever I remove a file from them, NeXTStep nicely warns me that there isn't a trash can on these drives. What do I have to do to add trash to these drives and then make sure I can clean it up. Thanks, +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Wayne MacLaurin S.I.R. Tools Development | | waynem@bnr.ca Bell Northern Research | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Did you got rid of all the voices in your head ? - David | | Do you now miss them and things that they said ? - Gilmour | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
From: joe@lpl.arizona.edu (Joe Plassmann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Looking for data-certified 8mm tapes for Exabyte Message-ID: <1993May17.121323@lpl.arizona.edu> Date: 17 May 93 19:13:23 GMT References: <C701vs.BpC@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Sender: news@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu Organization: Lunar and Planetary Laboratory - West In article <C701vs.BpC@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, jlc@alien.att.com (John L. Chmielewski) writes: > gfin@cyber.psych.ualberta.ca (Gary Finley) writes: > > > I've had some reliability problems using generic metal 8mm video > > tape in an Exabyte 8200. I hear that there are data-certified > > grade tapes available (Sony QG-112M is apparantly one such). Can > > anyone recommend a cheap mailorder source of tape like this? > > I would suspect that a good quality super HG 8mm video tape could be > used in place of the 8mm data tape in the Exabyte 8200 and be reliable. > They cost about $8.00 mail order. At this point in time I would try the > FUJI 8mm Video Super HG P6-120 tape. > We have been using Sony P6-120MP video tapes for years with no problems. Lately, however, Sony has come up with a different formulation called P6-120MPb (b is for "bad"!). These tapes suffer data dropouts sometimes just after a few cycles. If you want to be cheap, look for P6-120MPf. These still work fine. Look for the subscripted "f" on the tape wrapper. Once the tapes are unwrapped there is no indication what formulation you have, though all my recently returned MPf's had red labels rather than blue ones. Joe -- ---- Joe Plassmann, Systems Programmer, Adventure Guide 909-A Gould Simpson Lunar and Planetary Laboratory-West Tucson AZ 85721 phone: (602)-621-8183 joe@asgard.lpl.arizona.edu SPAN: LOONEY::PLASSMANN
From: chris@its.COM (Chris Cuilla) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT logo & Paul Rand Date: 17 May 1993 16:50:05 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9305171647.AA01322@its.com> > In article <C6vE6w.IwB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> > tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) writes: > "The > Sign of the Next Generation of Computers for Education." It is > > signed Paul Rand, Weston, Connecticut, Spring 1986. > > Rand is considered >the< logo guy by a lot of people. He also did the > logos for ABC (the US TV network), IBM, and Westinghouse (? the > circled W that looks kind of like an electronic component). Think he > did the Apple logo too. > > ab > In article <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu>, > begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) writes: |> Does > anyone know who the designer(s) is that designed the NeXT tilted |> > cube logo and when it orginated? I was looking through a book on |> > publication design and there was a sample from a magazine that had a |> > graphic that looked very similar to the NeXT logo. > > Not sure of the name of design company, but I do know that it's the same > company that did the Apple logo and most recently did the new paint > scheme for United Airlines' planes. Funny what kind of information > you can get out of those magazines in the seat pockets of airplanes. :) > > Alvin Jee alvin@cse.ucsc.edu > In article <C6xKJJ.7qo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> > ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: > Rand is considered >the< > logo guy by a lot of people. He also did the > logos for ABC (the US TV > network), IBM, and Westinghouse (? the > circled W that looks kind of > like an electronic component). Think he > did the Apple logo too. > > ab > > I don't know if he did the ABC logo, but Rand did do the CBS logo, for > which he is particularly well known. > > I'm writing this reply only because it might be misinformation that > Rand did the ABC logo. > > Thierry Castro tlc@cx5.com ACTUALLY...Paul IS the designer. It WAS $100,000. He DID design the ABC logo (he mentioned in an interview that it was his favorite design), he DID do Westinghouse. He DID do IBM. I'm not sure about CBS (it looks like his touch though). AND...I'm almost POSITIVE that he DID NOT DO the Apple logo. The basic Apple logo was designed early in the Apple history and Steve (Jobs) himself was closely involved with the design. It was also a time when Apple could scarcely afford Paul Rand. --- Chris Cuilla ITSolutions, Inc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTMail: chris@its.com Phone: 312.587.2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- "There's no such thing as a 'part-time perfectionist'." ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: chris@its.COM (Chris Cuilla) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: (none) Date: 17 May 1993 16:34:39 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9305171646.AA01317@its.com> > In article <C6vE6w.IwB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> > tagreen@lothario.cica.indiana.edu (Todd A Green) writes: > "The > Sign of the Next Generation of Computers for Education." It is > > signed Paul Rand, Weston, Connecticut, Spring 1986. > > Rand is considered >the< logo guy by a lot of people. He also did the > logos for ABC (the US TV network), IBM, and Westinghouse (? the > circled W that looks kind of like an electronic component). Think he > did the Apple logo too. > > ab > In article <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu>, > begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) writes: |> Does > anyone know who the designer(s) is that designed the NeXT tilted |> > cube logo and when it orginated? I was looking through a book on |> > publication design and there was a sample from a magazine that had a |> > graphic that looked very similar to the NeXT logo. > > Not sure of the name of design company, but I do know that it's the same > company that did the Apple logo and most recently did the new paint > scheme for United Airlines' planes. Funny what kind of information > you can get out of those magazines in the seat pockets of airplanes. :) > > Alvin Jee alvin@cse.ucsc.edu > In article <C6xKJJ.7qo@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> > ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: > Rand is considered >the< > logo guy by a lot of people. He also did the > logos for ABC (the US TV > network), IBM, and Westinghouse (? the > circled W that looks kind of > like an electronic component). Think he > did the Apple logo too. > > ab > > I don't know if he did the ABC logo, but Rand did do the CBS logo, for > which he is particularly well known. > > I'm writing this reply only because it might be misinformation that > Rand did the ABC logo. > > Thierry Castro tlc@cx5.com ACTUALLY...Paul IS the designer. It WAS $100,000. He DID design the ABC logo (he mentioned in an interview that it was his favorite design), he DID do Westinghouse. He DID do IBM. I'm not sure about CBS (it looks like his touch though). AND...I'm almost POSITIVE that he DID NOT DO the Apple logo. The basic Apple logo was designed early in the Apple history and Steve (Jobs) himself was closely involved with the design. It was also a time when Apple could scarcely afford Paul Rand. --- Chris Cuilla ITSolutions, Inc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTMail: chris@its.com Phone: 312.587.2000 --------------------------------------------------------------------- "There's no such thing as a 'part-time perfectionist'." ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Where is NeXTwatch? Message-ID: <1993May17.202341.10450@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 20:23:41 GMT My last issue (that I can find) is Vol. 1, #10 (October, 1992). I'm quite sure my subscription has not yet run out. Dick Silbar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@rafa.in-berlin.de(Ralf Neumann) Subject: CD-ROM Apple150 /NeXT HELP!!! Message-ID: <1993May15.162828.712@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: root@rafa.in-berlin.de (Operator) Organization: no Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 16:28:28 GMT Hello! I just bought a Apple CD-Rom-Player and it's working fine with Data CD's. My problem is that it is impossible to play any music CD's with the CDPlayer.app:-( Who can help my (I know that it is possible but how?)???? Thanks in advance Ralf %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|* %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|*
From: adams@bright.uoregon.edu (Jeff Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Connecting 2 cubes via ethernet: Do I need "T" connectors? Date: 17 May 1993 21:08:39 GMT Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, University of Oregon, Eugene OR 97403-1222 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t8usn$fnq@pith.uoregon.edu> I've had a cube for 3 years, and my roommate just bought a NeXTDimension. Of course, we want to connect them now, and put one of the printers in the closet. Everywhere I look, the manuals, instructions, etc., all say to put these "T" connectors in our ethernet sockets, and run the cables between them, capping the ones on the end. Is this really necessary, or can we simply connect the two sockets directly without the "T"s? (Am I making sense?) *T-----------T* __I_ __I_ | | | | | | | | ------ ------ versus: ----------- __I_ __I_ | | | | | | | | ------ ------ For the record, I have an '030 running NS 2.0, and he has a '040 ND with NS 2.1. Any help appreciated. -- __________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Adams, Grad Student adams@euclid.uoregon.edu Department of Mathematics University of Oregon (Eugene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <1993May17.182429.22054@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <scott.737656861@shrug> Date: Mon, 17 May 93 18:24:29 GMT Scott A. McIntyre writes > As someone who will not be able to afford NeXTstep for Intel, > and is not particularly interested in the flood of messages > that are about to take place (Do you have a driver for > X ethernet? What about Y video?) and so on...I think that > we should get the move on in making comp.sys.next.intel > or something like that in the very near future. This problem had been predicted in this space quite some time ago. It has clearly arrived. Perhaps c.s.n.hardware should be split into c.s.n.moto and c.s.n.intel (which would also give a natural place to place future groups such as c.s.n.decalpha and c.s.n.sparc :-). -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yli@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yanhong Li) Subject: NeXT tutorials wanted Message-ID: <C76p1z.Dpu@acsu.buffalo.edu> Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: UB References: <1s9eskINN1jl@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 18:37:11 GMT I am totally new to NeXT, anybody can suggest a starting point? Thanks -- ======================================================================== Yanhong Li 716-838-6493(h) 645-3198(w) Dept. of Computer Science Good good study SUNY at Buffalo, Buffalo, NY14260 Up up every day
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Use of gzip in installer packages Message-ID: <1993May17.185837.18991@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1sjh2gINN709@gap.caltech.edu> <1t1904$a45@usenet.rpi.edu> <67617@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 18:58:37 GMT In article <67617@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: >In article <1t1904$a45@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: [munch] > >nope I dont think so. at least the compressed tar copy is NOT kept in the >/NextLibrary/Receipts directory if the package is installed. > >the original package is unchanged of course, but there is no reason to keep >it after the installation. >-- >Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted >-------------------------------------------------------------- >"Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, >the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry Actually, there are two reasons to not delete receipts: Install.app will compress an installed app and all it's constituent parts into a package that's faster and easier to re-expand and Intall.app will delete all the stuff it installs no matter where the Intstall script stuck stuff. I keep mine. -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@guinness.huma.yorku.ca (David Aspinall) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <C76ovJ.6tL@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University, Humanities Department References: <scott.737656861@shrug> Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 18:33:18 GMT S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: : : : As someone who will not be able to afford NeXTstep for Intel, : and is not particularly interested in the flood of messages : that are about to take place (Do you have a driver for : X ethernet? What about Y video?) and so on...I think that : we should get the move on in making comp.sys.next.intel : or something like that in the very near future. : : : What say you all? : : : -- : EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) : SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE : "Did you know that the computer invented itself?" - SNL I vote yea. How about a new directory on the archivies for intel/FAT binaries. How about one for 3.1 apps. Dave -- David Aspinall ---------- Former-Former-NeXT Campus Consultant E-mail : cs911409@ariel.yorku.ca | I'd rather be NeXTMail: dave@ccs.yorku.ca | rich than stupid V-mail : (416) 663-4997 | -- Jack Handey
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: Why not develop NS/Intel on old NeXT hardware? Message-ID: <1993May17.192330.19124@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <1t3eeo$p1d@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <1993May16.001608.21336@csus.edu> Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 19:23:30 GMT In article <1993May16.001608.21336@csus.edu> eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes: >In article <1t3eeo$p1d@spock.dis.cccd.edu> > maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: [munch] Actually, NS/I is JUST LIKE NS/M except the hardware is a pain to set up (duh). A metaphor I use is to say it's like doing 200 mph in a VW Bug. It looks just like my slab if all I do is look at the glass... >*In all fairness to NS/FIP, it's still the best thing you can >run on an Intel box. But understand that it's targeted towards >those people who Truly Believe that Intel is God's Gift to >Desktop Computing--it is by no means the premier NEXTSTEP >implementation--and very much a "low end" version. (It's also >badly unfinished; you'll be able to get _something_ May 25, >but I fully expect NS/FIP to get lukewarm reviews in most >computer publications until the 3.2 release.) > > -=EPS=- >-- >DEC is about to introduce an "Alpha PC" for around $3500 that >will run Windows NT and blow the doors off Pentium. Using a >125MHz Alpha AXP processor, it won't compete with DEC's high-end >workstations, but it's designed with field upgrades in mind. -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: new pasteboard operation Date: 17 May 1993 21:37:09 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1t90i5INNa5s@gap.caltech.edu> I have often wanted an operation besides the usual cut, copy, and paste: append. I want to be able to append to the current pasteboard instead of replacing it completely. To be really complete, you'd need both an append, and an append and cut. Perhaps just make those capitalized versions: cmd-x = cut and replace pasteboard, cmd-X = cut and append to pasteboard, cmd-c = copy and replace pasteboard, cmd-C = copy and append to pasteboard. Any comments? mark
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Connecting 2 cubes via ethernet: Do I need "T" connectors? Date: 17 May 1993 22:45:50 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t94iu$jt5@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1t8usn$fnq@pith.uoregon.edu> In article <1t8usn$fnq@pith.uoregon.edu> adams@bright.uoregon.edu (Jeff Adams) writes: #I've had a cube for 3 years, and my roommate just bought a NeXTDimension. Of #course, we want to connect them now, and put one of the printers in the closet. # #Everywhere I look, the manuals, instructions, etc., all say to put these #"T" connectors in our ethernet sockets, and run the cables between them, #capping the ones on the end. Is this really necessary, or can we simply #connect the two sockets directly without the "T"s? (Am I making sense?) # # *T-----------T* # __I_ __I_ #| | | | #| | | | #------ ------ # #versus: # # ----------- # __I_ __I_ #| | | | #| | | | #------ ------ # #For the record, I have an '030 running NS 2.0, and he has a '040 ND with #NS 2.1. # Number one is correct, with a slight modification: you need terminators to prevent signal from bouncing between both ends of the cable... Thus the "T's" (BNC connectors) are required for ethernet specifications. You need to have each end of the segment terminated. Place a 50ohm terminator on one end of each BNC connector and connected a data grade coax cable to the unterminated ends of the T's. Then connect the T's to each NeXT. ##__________________________________________________________________________ #Jeff Adams, Grad Student adams@euclid.uoregon.edu #Department of Mathematics #University of Oregon (Eugene) -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) Subject: Printing over AppleTalk Message-ID: <C770JF.4A1@ucdavis.edu> Keywords: Printing AppleTalk Sender: usenet@ucdavis.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of California, Davis Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 22:45:13 GMT I have a small AppleTalk network (my Mac SE/30 and an Apple LaserWriter Pro 630), and I was wondering if I could connect my NeXTstation (running NS 3.0) to the AppleTalk network and use the LaserWriter Pro. Anyone know if this is possible? If so, how can I do it? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Todd heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Use of gzip in installer packages Date: 18 May 1993 00:05:27 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t9987$85e@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1t3264INNrg2@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > > gad> Yeah, but it's a solution I'm not too comfortable with. > > Sure, it'd be nice if NeXT included gzip along with support for it > in Installer and Workspace. However, they're not, and even if they > did, you might still want to support 3.0 systems that you know > don't have it, so you'd need a pre_install anyway. Hmm. Yeah, I guess you would. Still, it would be nice if NeXT was convinced to include gzip, and the sooner it's included then the sooner we'll be able to skip the kludge of shipping gzip along with each installer package. Even if they include it in NS3.2 it will probably be awhile before we can make that assumption though. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: bebeada@elof.iit.edu (Adam Beberg) Subject: NeXTSTep on the Alpha CPU ???? Message-ID: <1993May18.004143.18245@iitmax.iit.edu> Summary: Any rumered plans for NS for the Alpha Keywords: nextstep alpha Sender: Adam Beberg Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago Date: Tue, 18 May 93 00:41:43 GMT forgive me if this question has been addressed... Does NeXT have any plans to port to the Alpha chip.... from what i have heard about the Alpha's capabilities...*drool* plus the best OS known to man.... would be the most powerful and user/programmer friendly machine in existance ......well?...... Adam Beberg bebeada@elof.iit.edu NeXTMail welcome :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andy@philo.mcgill.ca (Andrew Burday) Subject: How to associate sounds with events? Message-ID: <1993May18.005214.7598@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Keywords: sound, .snd Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 00:52:14 GMT Here's a silly question... I assume that not everybody who downloads sounds from sonata and orst is either (1) a programmer using them in an app or (2) using them to replace the system warning beep. There has to be some way to associate them with events -- e.g., "Hasta la vista, baby" when you empty your recycler would be mildly amusing the first dozen times. One could also think of appropriate sounds to accompany login, or launching particular apps. Does anybody know if this is in fact possible? If so, how? Thanks in advance. Andrew Burday andy@philo.mcgill.ca (NeXT Mail spoken here)
From: mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: new pasteboard operation Message-ID: <mdixon.737688736@thelonius> Date: 18 May 93 01:32:16 GMT References: <1t90i5INNa5s@gap.caltech.edu> Sender: news@parc.xerox.com Organization: Xerox PARC > I want to be able to append to the current pasteboard instead > of replacing it completely. To be really complete, you'd need both an > append, and an append and cut. Perhaps just make those capitalized > versions: cmd-x = cut and replace pasteboard, cmd-X = cut and append to > pasteboard, cmd-c = copy and replace pasteboard, cmd-C = copy and append > to pasteboard. > Any comments? you could implement the plain ascii version of these commands in about 2 minutes with TickleServices. rtf would be harder. .mike.
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Hard drive formatting troubles Date: 17 May 1993 22:42:36 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9305180241.AA28759@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hi again! Getting tired of all my annoying questions yet? I'm trying to add a couple of hard drives to my system. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to run a low level format and set the disk parameters. I know there has got to be an easy way to do this (that's NeXT big selling point, right?) What program can I run to get this done? What do I need to do to get these drives properly set up? I'm getting annoying. I know. Please bear with me. Truth be known, my NeXT is back at home and my dad is setting things up. He's forwarding questions to me as he encounters problems, and I'm providing the net access. Come summer quarter, I'll have my grubby little hands on that machine, and THEN I'll have some fun. Thanks for any help you can give me! It's all truly appreciated! Joe -- __________ | jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Dr. Sam Beckett put things right that once went wrong. `---- | You can do the same. Help save Quantum Leap!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Printing AppleTalk Message-ID: <1993May18.023705.11718@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <C770JF.4A1@ucdavis.edu> Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 02:37:05 GMT In article <C770JF.4A1@ucdavis.edu> heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu (Louis Todd Heberlein) writes: >I have a small AppleTalk network (my Mac SE/30 and an Apple >LaserWriter Pro 630), and I was wondering if I could connect my >NeXTstation (running NS 3.0) to the AppleTalk network and use >the LaserWriter Pro. > >Anyone know if this is possible? If so, how can I do it? Check out util/lp-daemon-332.hqx in the Info-Mac archives. Your SE/30 needs an Ethernet card, System 7, and MacTCP. -=EPS=-
From: reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NeXTwatch? Date: 18 May 1993 02:52:44 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <REUVEN.93May17225243@vongole.mit.edu> References: <1993May17.202341.10450@newshost.lanl.gov> In-reply-to: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov's message of Mon, 17 May 1993 20:23:41 GMT >>>>> On Mon, 17 May 1993 20:23:41 GMT, silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick >>>>> Silbar) said: Dick> My last issue (that I can find) is Vol. 1, #10 (October, Dick> 1992). I'm quite sure my subscription has not yet run out. Join the club. I wrote to the editors twice in the last six weeks, asking for nothing more than an acknowledgement that they are still operating. All I've gotten in response is a brief note from Jiro Nakamura, the technical editor, who said that he would forward my comments to the editor, Arthur Kyle. I would rather have them honestly say that my money is lost than ignore my questions. While we're on the subject of magazines, am I the only one whose last issue of NeXTworld Extra was dated March 1993? Reuven
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Use of gzip in installer packages Message-ID: <67695@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 18 May 93 02:37:06 GMT References: <1t1904$a45@usenet.rpi.edu> <67617@mimsy.umd.edu> <1993May17.185837.18991@altsys.com> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 I wrote: > the compressed tar copy is NOT kept in the > /NextLibrary/Receipts directory if the package is installed. > the original package is unchanged of course, but there is no reason to keep > it after the installation. In article <1993May17.185837.18991@altsys.com> lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: > Actually, there are two reasons to not delete receipts: I guess I was unclear. Of course, there is no good reason to delete receipts for installed packages. they take little room and allow convenient compression or removal of the entire package which would be lost if you deleted the receipt. I didnt suggest deleting the receipt, just the original package after installation. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Use of gzip in installer packages Date: 18 May 1993 05:07:00 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t9qtkINNl6u@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1t3264INNrg2@gap.caltech.edu> <1t9987$85e@usenet.rpi.edu> >> Still, it would be nice if NeXT was convinced to include gzip, and the I just heard rumored that gzip is in 3.1. I do not know if it is rigged to work as zcat so that Workspace and Installer would be automatically extended. Or if there is an even cleaner integration. Anyway, we'll know for sure in about a week anyway. I'll wait. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: Reading UNIX floppies Message-ID: <1993May18.052714.9621@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <1t8mre$mni@bcarhd4.bnr.ca> Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 05:27:14 GMT In article <1t8mre$mni@bcarhd4.bnr.ca> waynem@bcarh178.bnr.ca (Wayne MacLaurin) writes: > G'day, > > I've been trying to read standard UNIX type floppies on my NeXTStation > Turbo (with the internal floppy drive) without success. > > Every disk I insert is rejected. I know these disks are readable on a > UNIX box (SUN or HP) but the NeXT refuses to accept them ? > > Isn't a NeXT suppose to be able to read unix/mac/dos floppies equally > well ? What do I have to do to make this work ? > > These disks contain tar or cpio archives. There's your problem.. They are not "Unix" floppies. They don't have a Unix filesystem on them, they are just raw dumps of data, just like if you used tar or cpio to tape. If you want to read the data off them, just issue the appropriate tar or cpio command BEFORE inserting the floppy. You will then get an alert panel telling you to insert the disk and all is hunky-dory. > > Thanks, > > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Wayne MacLaurin S.I.R. Tools Development | > | waynem@bnr.ca Bell Northern Research | > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Did you got rid of all the voices in your head ? - David | > | Do you now miss them and things that they said ? - Gilmour | > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ZOOM (and general) modem questions... Message-ID: <49633@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 15 May 93 16:13:36 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD Hi, I just got a black NeXT and a 9600 baud ZOOM modem and am still pretty clueless. Thanks for any help you could give. Please e-mail me. non-NeXT mail only for now. I start a terminal window and type 'cu phonenum' to call into school (where phonenum is the phone number). I am calling into a SUN SPARC II with the SUN OS operating system (pre-Solaris). I have an old copy of the modem FAQ, but need more info. 1. If it doesn't connect properly, the modem does not want to hang up on it's own after I do a Cntl-C. I always quit from the terminal window (upper right "x") and answer that it is ok for it to stop using cu. Then I create a new terminal window (Command-n) and start again. Is there a simpler way? 2. What is the easiest way for me to transfer files? (I guess there is: kermit, tip, uucp, zs. I don't now much about any of this. I did a 'man kermit' on the SUN SPARC II and it could not find it.) Right now I will be satisfied with transferring ascii files of less than a few hundred lines, but would like to transfer *.dvi files which when printed would be 30 or so pages and then finally getting stuff off bulletin boards without using floppy disks. 3. I have non-NeXT modem type cables which I am using on the modem. How important is it to have the right cables? How important is hardware flow? 4. The modem is pretty loud when dialing (especially at night). What can I do not muffle it? Where does the sound come out of (bottom front only or what)? 5. If I have a mail folder on the sun, it has a piece of NeXT mail in it and I move it into a file "mymailbox" on my next, what do I do with it then to get the mail app to look at it? Please let me know if the questions are unclear or I need to provide more information about my system. Any other advice would be appreciated also. Thanks, Mark Stankus
From: waynem@bcarh178.bnr.ca (Wayne MacLaurin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Thanks: re: Floppy Drives/Recycler questions Date: 18 May 1993 11:36:01 GMT Organization: S.I.R. Tools Development - BNR Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tahn1$c5i@bcarhd4.bnr.ca> G'day, Thanks for all the replies I got to my questions on reading "unix" floppies and on installing new recyclers. Another question for the net..... Lots of replies I got refered me to the NeXTAnswers/FAQ.. Ok I'll bite, where can I get this NeXTAnswers ? I've been reading comp.sys.next... for a month or so but I haven't seen FAQ's posted or anything remotely like a answer file. Did I miss it ? How often is it posted ? Can it be found on some FTP site ? Thanks again, +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Wayne MacLaurin S.I.R. Tools Development | | waynem@bnr.ca Bell Northern Research | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Did you got rid of all the voices in your head ? - David | | Do you now miss them and things that they said ? - Gilmour | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: edmtl@taxus.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: SLIP/PPP information/installation help? Message-ID: <1993May18.123105.25285@alf.uib.no> Sender: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Tue, 18 May 93 12:31:05 GMT Hi! Well, I am still trying to get SLIP to work, and I have some questions to you gurus out there. So far (due to many things) SLIP doesn't work. Or maybe it's the modems, I don't know. But in the meantime I've obtained a beta (alpha?) version of PPP (Merit.edu PPP distribution) which I would like to try out. I've spoken to the sysadmins who control our net, and found out that a possibility exists for running PPP from my home machine to a Cisco router (via a 9600 or 14.4 baud modem connected to the Cisco) which supports PPP. My problem: could someone point me to a FAQ, or a reasonable introduction to what PPP is, how it differs from SLIP, and what it can be used for? My net-knowledge is limited at this level. Do I need to do any special configuring? Can I simply send an IP datagram after starting PPP, and have everything work? (Of course I'll configure a username/passwd on the Cisco first :-) Is PPP a protocoll at the same level as SLIP? Do I need to run some sort of packet protocoll on top of PPP (it seems that PPP is a lower level protocoll than SLIP - is this correct?) I'm generally in the dark here (if you haven't already guessed), and would really like some info to get me started (and hopefully running :-) I'd like to do this this week (I'm free this week :-), so please email replies directly to me. Regards, Thor -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <scott.737729874@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Keywords: intel,NeXTstep Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 12:57:54 GMT References: <scott.737656861@shrug> <g5PP4B2w165w@tcscs.com> tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes: }S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: }> }> [should we have comp.sys.next.intel] }I think this would be a good idea.. }I would say yes. Since this will inevitably become a large YES, why don't we move to the next stage of deciding, as someone has already pointed out if we should have the comp.sys.next.intel.* hierarchy...I could imagine the following groups, perhaps some of them are not necessary... c.s.n.intel c.s.n.intel.misc (one of these two should be decided upon, perhaps) c.s.n.intel.drivers (I forsee a LOT of discussion on this) c.s.n.fatbinary (or something similar?) Scott -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Did you know that the computer invented itself?" - SNL
From: tom@trohde.hanse.de (Thomas Rohde) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Who designed the NeXT logo? Date: 17 May 1993 01:56:34 GMT Organization: Self-organized organism feeding on chaos Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t6rci$ua@trohde.hanse.de> References: <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu> Hi, In article <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu> begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) writes: : Does anyone know who the designer(s) is that designed : the NeXT tilted cube logo and when it orginated? : ... As far as I know, it was a bavarian (they claim to be german) designer did it, I can't remember his name, but his Company's name is "Frog Design". They also designed the first Mac Computers. regards, thomas _____________________________________________________________________ Thomas Rohde mail: tom@trohde.hanse.de Grindelallee 27 B NeXTmail welcome 2000 Hamburg 13 voice: 040-44.88.19 Germany (outside Grmny call +49-40-44.88.19) (ZIP changes to: 20146 Hamburg starting 01-Jul-93)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: Who designed the NeXT logo? Message-ID: <1993May18.173111.11840@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Tue, 18 May 93 17:31:11 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1t6rci$ua@trohde.hanse.de> In article <1t6rci$ua@trohde.hanse.de> tom@trohde.hanse.de (Thomas Rohde) writes: > Hi, > > In article <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu> > begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) writes: > > : Does anyone know who the designer(s) is that designed > : the NeXT tilted cube logo and when it orginated? > : ... > > As far as I know, it was a bavarian (they claim to be german) > designer did it, I can't remember his name, but his Company's name > is "Frog Design". They also designed the first Mac Computers. > > regards, thomas I think you are of thinking of the actuall case design. I believe that Frog Design did the original cube (and mabey the station) in addition Frog Design has done numerous other popular ergonomic items such as the Apple //c. I read an article about a yamaha motorcycle designed by them that was low profile for shorter riders but that was years ago. -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: opferman@jupiter.fnbc.com Subject: Help with Touch.app (3.0) Message-ID: <1993May18.162500.29518@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA Date: Tue, 18 May 93 16:25:00 GMT Can someone please explain what Touch is used for? How does one use it? --- ================================================================== Bill Opferman / My thoughts, not my employer's. Email: opferman@jupiter.fnbc.com / Leave them out of it. Fax: (312) 732-7284 / Thanks. Enjoy the buffet! ===================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jland@lodge.nwu.edu (John Landwehr) Subject: Re: SLIP/PPP information/installation help? Message-ID: <1993May18.162323.8733@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA References: <1993May18.123105.25285@alf.uib.no> Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 16:23:23 GMT In article <1993May18.123105.25285@alf.uib.no> edmtl@taxus.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes: > > Well, I am still trying to get SLIP to work, and I have some questions > to you gurus out there. > > > My problem: could someone point me to a FAQ, or a reasonable introduction > to what PPP is, how it differs from SLIP, and what it can be used for? Check out the paper I wrote & submitted to sonata.cc.purdue.edu. It currently is: /pub/next/docs/SLIP_PPP_Paper.ps.Z Also, the paper was rewritten and published in the NeXT Support Bulletin last summer. -- John Landwehr jland@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: How to associate sounds with events? Keywords: Sounds, .snd Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993May15.225647.13362@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 09:11:31 +0000 Message-ID: <1993May18.091131.22160@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993May15.225647.13362@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> andy@philo.mcgill.ca (Andrew Burday) writes: >Could somebody please tell me how to associate sounds with events -- >e.g., the ever-famous and original toilet flushing when you empty the >recycler? I assume that there is a way to do this. People can't be >using all those sounds on orst just to replace the system beep. Is >there, perhaps, a way to do this using dwrite? Don't think you can in general (without access to the source). Bit embarassing to have Windows more flexible in this regard than NeXTSTEP isn't it? Despite it's object-oriented foundation, applications on the NeXT are much more like the old-fashioned Unix executables than a lot of people realize. I'd like to see some sort of event logging protocol whereby significant events (especially relating to the file system) are reported by every application to a server from which they can be relayed to interested programs. Then we could have Post-It notes which pop up when you try to edit a file, for instance. But going back to the recycler, here's what I'd like to be able to do: the "Empty Recycler" menu item currently sends an "emptyRecycler:" message to the first responder. You want to be able to insert an object to intercept this message en-route, a bit like a unix pipe. So you write your object which just responds to the emptyRecycler: message, makes the toilet flush sound and then forwards the message on to the first responder. Then you just link this object to the existing executable, modify the nib file to send emptyRecycler: to an instantiation of your object and whoooosh, away you go! There's been some talk recently on the OPN mailing list about the possibilty of selling component kits that users can build into their own applications, and about "customizable, extensible, and integrated environments". Well I think we can begin in small ways. The example I just gave is of an extremely simple customization of a binary application, involving the plugging in of an just one extra component. BUT... you can't do it!!! 99% of the technology is in place, all that is missing is the ability to re-link the executable (or have some autoloading of bundles built in to _every_ application). If NeXT were to supply this missing bit of the jigsaw, then we could start creating the customizable future. Do NeXT want "power users" to be able to do this sort of thing? I don't think so. I think their philosophy is one of keeping control in the hands of NeXT/the application developer. You only get to add new modules to Preferences if Preferences asks you for them. Safe, cautious, old-fashioned and dull! Dave Griffiths
From: william@pinoko.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: To Andrea Rigoni Date: 18 May 1993 21:03:54 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1tbivq$gag@agate.berkeley.edu> Keywords: personal...e-mail not working <<note: this is a response to e-mail I received from Andrea Rigoni. If you are not her please hit 'n' now>> Andrea, I replied to your first letter the same day I got it. However, judging from your second letter, you never received my response. Please e-mail me and tell me that you received it, or give me an alternate e-mail address. Thanks, Bill Grosso
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <1993May18.214651.4079@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Organization: Digital Fix Development References: <scott.737729874@shrug> Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 21:46:51 GMT Scott A. McIntyre writes > Since this will inevitably become a large YES, why don't we > move to the next stage of deciding, as someone has already pointed > out if we should have the comp.sys.next.intel.* hierarchy...I > could imagine the following groups, perhaps some of them are > not necessary... > > c.s.n.intel > c.s.n.intel.misc (one of these two should be decided upon, perhaps) > c.s.n.intel.drivers (I forsee a LOT of discussion on this) > c.s.n.fatbinary (or something similar?) > Hmmm... Isn't the supposed beauty of NextStep for Intel that it should be almost identical to NextStep for Black? Only the .drivers seems like it might be relevant. c.s.n.drivers (because Intel will not be the last) -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thsscvc@iitmax.iit.edu (Chris Conley) Subject: Re: NeXT logo & Paul Rand Message-ID: <1993May18.221231.9409@iitmax.iit.edu> Summary: Understand NeXT logo design, case study, great book Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center References: <9305171647.AA01322@its.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 93 22:12:31 GMT In article <9305171647.AA01322@its.com>, chris@its.COM (Chris Cuilla) writes: > > ACTUALLY...Paul IS the designer. It WAS $100,000. He DID design the > ABC logo (he mentioned in an interview that it was his favorite design), he > DID do Westinghouse. He DID do IBM. I'm not sure about CBS (it looks > like his touch though). AND...I'm almost POSITIVE that he DID NOT DO > the Apple logo. The basic Apple logo was designed early in the Apple > history and Steve (Jobs) himself was closely involved with the design. It > was also a time when Apple could scarcely afford Paul Rand. > > Alright, finally an opportunity to contribute fact and not rumor...... First, Pual Rand did not do the CBS logo. The CBS logo was done by William Golden (1911 - 1959). Apparently Golden saw an illustration of an eye in Portfolio magazine done for an article on Shaker design. "Among the illustrations was an eye symbol. Golden picked it up and used it for a sales portfolio. Then he felt there was more to it so he used it for an ad. I redesigned the earlier versions, and it became the mark for CBS Television. We had done eyes before. Everybody had done eyes; but this one was something that really worked. I felt the eye could have become the corporate symbol. We saw the eye as symbolizing CBS 'looking at the world' " - Kurt Weihs Graphic designer who worked with Golden on the project Now, if you are interested in the development of the NeXT logo, and also want to learn some about graphic design, get Paul Rand's new book, Design, Form, and Chaos. Yale University Press. In the middle, there is a case study of the NeXT logo -- how it was developed, the configuration, type style, etc. He does the same thing with IBM, IDEO, and others. Paul Rand has a very simple and direct way of describing the importance and value of graphic design. He removes your feeling that it is arbitrary and gives you many examples and thoughts that are inspirational and informative. Anyone who is running their own business should have a copy of this book so that they feel confident working with design consultants. And now back to waiting for NEXTWORLD Expo, ............... Chris Conley Institute of Design, IIT Chicago P.S. Paul Rand designed the following companies' logos among other identity elements: IBM (1956) Westinghouse (1960) United Parcel Service (1961) Colorforms (1959) ABC (1962) Helbros Watch Company (1944) Consolidated Cigar Company (1959) Cummins Engine Company (1979) NeXT (1987 ?) IDEO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel In-Reply-To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk's message of Tue, 18 May 1993 12:57:54 GMT To: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93May18114133@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <scott.737656861@shrug> <g5PP4B2w165w@tcscs.com> <scott.737729874@shrug> Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 15:41:32 GMT In article <scott.737729874@shrug> S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes: }S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: }> }> [should we have comp.sys.next.intel] }I think this would be a good idea.. }I would say yes. Since this will inevitably become a large YES, why don't we move to the next stage of deciding, as someone has already pointed out if we should have the comp.sys.next.intel.* hierarchy...I could imagine the following groups, perhaps some of them are not necessary... c.s.n.intel c.s.n.intel.misc (one of these two should be decided upon, perhaps) c.s.n.intel.drivers (I forsee a LOT of discussion on this) c.s.n.fatbinary (or something similar?) Let's not get carried away. An Intel group is probably a very good idea. But do we really need all those other groups ? It seems to me that most of the subjects in question would be and should be covered in currently existing groups. In particular what would one discuss in c.s.n.fatbinary in distinction to c.s.n.software or c.s.n.sysadmin ? Rather, lets just form a distinct group for the discussion of problems relating directly and exclusively to Intel hardware. After all, the rest should be universal or so NeXT promises. To do this reasonably two options come to mind: a) Just create c.s.n.intel b) Create c.s.n.hardware.intel Create c.s.n.hardware.m68k Rename c.s.n.hardware to c.s.n.hardware.misc General hardware related comments (such as those relating to SCSI devices which can be used with either intel or m68k machines) would remain in c.s.n.h.misc. As would the discussion of new hardware platforms for NeXTstep until they get their own newsgroups. The former has the advantage of simplicity. The later has the advantage of easy logical extensibility when NeXTstep becomes available on new hardware platforms like the alpha. My personal preference is for the later. In any case, I believe I understand the newsgroup creation guidelines, have the necessary resources and volunteer as vote taker. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: thsscvc@iitmax.iit.edu (Chris Conley) Subject: Using NEXTSTEP for a Mac server and connection to Unix network Message-ID: <1993May18.222128.4860@iitmax.iit.edu> Keywords: Mac Server Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Date: Tue, 18 May 93 22:21:28 GMT Happy summertime, We would like to set up an application server for our Macs, as well as connect them to our Unix lab which has a variety of Unix boxes attached to it. I have a feeling that NEXTSTEP on a 486 plus some relevant software could possibly be the best solution for this situation. Does anyone have any experience doing the same thing? Any pointers to possible solutions? We don't want to gewt a Mac server because it'll be 10,000 and I'm not so sure how easily it will hook up to the unix boxes. We're thinking about getting a SparcClassic, but I don't have any experience with Solaris and Macs. NEXTSTEP would work nicely with the Unix lab, and I am hoping IPT can provide Macintosh connectivity. I am hoping to get rudimentary email going across the network also. Any help or tips are greatly appreciated, Chris Conley Institute of Design Chicago
From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Date: 19 May 1993 00:16:40 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Message-ID: <1tbu98INN8l2@uwm.edu> References: <scott.737729874@shrug> <1993May18.214651.4079@digifix.com> In article <1993May18.214651.4079@digifix.com> sanguish@digifix.com writes: >Scott A. McIntyre writes [ summary: Why not have the following group? ] >> c.s.n.intel >> c.s.n.intel.misc (one of these two should be decided upon, perhaps) >> c.s.n.intel.drivers (I forsee a LOT of discussion on this) >> c.s.n.fatbinary (or something similar?) > Hmmm... Isn't the supposed beauty of NextStep for Intel that it should >be almost identical to NextStep for Black? Only the .drivers seems like it >might be relevant. > c.s.n.drivers (because Intel will not be the last) I would have to second what Scott says above. I can't imagine any companies not releasing products exclusively for the Intel machines, since it is only an extra flag, or so they say, to compile for the black beauties. -- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: Where is NeXTwatch? Message-ID: <1993May18.233119.6038@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <1993May17.202341.10450@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 23:31:19 GMT In article <1993May17.202341.10450@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: > My last issue (that I can find) is Vol. 1, #10 (October, 1992). I'm quite > sure my subscription has not yet run out. > > Dick Silbar I got the following reply from Cliff Yee, who also asked me to post it for other folks to see (something he can't do from where he sits). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dick, I finally got a hold of Arthur C. Kyle at skylee he told me that the Oct. 1992 issue is the current one. He also said with the changes that NeXT is goint through they (skylee) don't know what they are going to do. At this point, they are considering these option: Refund, quarterly issues, an issue each month by sell advertisement. At this point they are waiting for some user input on NeXT's future. So either email them or stop by their booth at the EXPO. Hope this helps :) -Cliff Yee cyee@usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) Subject: Re: Using NEXTSTEP for a Mac server and connection to Unix network Message-ID: <1993May19.015535.17495@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Keywords: Mac Server Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine References: <1993May18.222128.4860@iitmax.iit.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 93 01:55:35 GMT In article <1993May18.222128.4860@iitmax.iit.edu> thsscvc@iitmax.iit.edu (Chris Conley) writes: >Happy summertime, > >We would like to set up an application server for our Macs, as well as connect >them to our Unix lab which has a variety of Unix boxes attached to it. > >I have a feeling that NEXTSTEP on a 486 plus some relevant software could >possibly be the best solution for this situation. Does anyone have any >experience doing the same thing? Any pointers to possible solutions? > >We don't want to gewt a Mac server because it'll be 10,000 and I'm not >so sure how easily it will hook up to the unix boxes. > >We're thinking about getting a SparcClassic, but I don't have any experience >with Solaris and Macs. > >NEXTSTEP would work nicely with the Unix lab, and I am hoping IPT can >provide Macintosh connectivity. I am hoping to get rudimentary email going >across the network also. > >Any help or tips are greatly appreciated, > >Chris Conley >Institute of Design >Chicago It sounds like what you want is uShare, made by IPT. I don't know if they've ported it to the '486, as the last time I talked with them they were bummed out about NeXT's sale of the factory. uShare does, however, run nicely on Sun SPARCstations, AxilStations, Tatung, etc. I don't remember if it runs on PA/RISC or Alpha, though. Kris Magnusson Chair, SLaNG -- Yan-Fang Magnusson <yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu> Nuclear-powered philosophy student <Give me $20 or kill me>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Re: Who designed the NeXT logo? References: <1t6rci$ua@trohde.hanse.de> Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 01:13:53 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993May19.011353.16116@tkymail.sps.mot.com> Thomas Rohde writes Hi, In article <1snpfgINNfh6@news.u.washington.edu> begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) writes: : Does anyone know who the designer(s) is that designed : the NeXT tilted cube logo and when it orginated? : ... As far as I know, it was a bavarian (they claim to be german) designer did it, I can't remember his name, but his Company's name is "Frog Design". They also designed the first Mac Computers. Hartmut Esslinger of frogdesign (note the lack of capitalization) is in fact Bavarian: "frog" refers to the former Federal Republic of Germany. But if you attend a soccer match in Munchen, the announcer will point out that there are many Bavarians and Germans in the crowd. And the Bavarians are very quick to point out that they are the only ones who get the joke...;) Hartmut designed the Mac and the NeXTcube, not the logo. He recently spoke at the Technology, Entertainment and Design conference in Kobe. Fascinating. Prost! --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]
From: tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <guTR4B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 93 20:28:39 CDT References: <1993May18.214651.4079@digifix.com> Organization: TCS Consulting Services sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) writes: > Hmmm... Isn't the supposed beauty of NextStep for Intel that it should > be almost identical to NextStep for Black? Only the .drivers seems like it > might be relevant. This is what I believe as well.. instead of all these extra groups, let's consider: c.s.n.hardware.intel c.s.n.drivers[.intel] Everything else should be covered in the existing c.s.n.* hierchy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS Systems: TCS-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Final ;-) Update on (low-) budget NeXTWORLD EXPO housing Message-ID: <1993May18.153756.5329@nic.csu.net> From: preuss@futon.SFSU.EDU (Peter Preuss) Date: 18 May 93 15:37:53 PDT Distribution: world Organization: San Francisco State University Re: Final ;-) Update on (low-) budget NeXTWORLD EXPO housing If you're looking for affordable lodging during expo, read on. Still, the downtown SF Youth Hostel @ 116 Turk (415.346-7835) seems to be the best bet. It's just 3 blocks away from the Powell MUNI/BART Station, which in turn is just a couple of blocks away from the Moscone Expo Center and various other partying sites. They charge $14 for singles, $24, $34, $40 for parties of two, three, and four people. No age limit to qualify as "youth"! The larger SF International Hostel at Fort Mason (415.771-7277) offers a beautiful view across the bay, but takes a little longer to reach by public trans (1 block from 42 Bus line). $12 per person. Check-in is possible as late as 1am. Advanced reservations only with non-refundable pre-payment, credit cards accepted. Matt Kreger contributed: One step up, but still quite affordable is Pension San Francisco... European style (shared baths) hotel, won NY Times Budget Choice 1993 Single twin $42, Single full $45, Double full $52, Double twins $55 Plus 11% hotel tax. Tel: 415-864-1271 FAX: 415-861-8116 1668 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94102 It's about 10 blocks up from Moscone Conv. Ctr., about 8 to the Castro! Tell them Matt Kreger (who is staying for the Expo) sent you. [They accept advanced reservations with your credit card too.] Two entries supplied by Eric P. Scott: Grand Central Hostel, 1412 Market Street, SF, CA 94102, (415) 703-9988, Fax 703-9986. Only $9 per night! Fax your credit card number for (non-refundable) reservations. Sam Trans (Airport-bus) line 7B stops at 9th Street, two blocks from Hostel. AYH Hostel at Union Square, 312 Mason Street (between Geary & O'Farell), SF, CA 94102, (415) 788-5604, Fax 788-3023. $17 per night. 2 to 3 people per room. 2 blocks from MUNI/Bart and/or Union Square. Walking distance to Moscone Center, Chinatown, etc.. Peter Preuss NeXTWORLD EXPO Volunteer preuss@futon.sfsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <1993May19.024736.5962@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Organization: Digital Fix Development References: <CEDMAN.93May18114133@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 02:47:36 GMT Carl Edman writes > a) Just create c.s.n.intel > > b) Create c.s.n.hardware.intel > Create c.s.n.hardware.m68k > Rename c.s.n.hardware to c.s.n.hardware.misc > > General hardware related comments (such as those relating to SCSI devices > which can be used with either intel or m68k machines) would remain in > c.s.n.h.misc. As would the discussion of new hardware platforms for > NeXTstep until they get their own newsgroups. > > The former has the advantage of simplicity. The later has the > advantage of easy logical extensibility when NeXTstep becomes > available on new hardware platforms like the alpha. My personal > preference is for the later. > > In any case, I believe I understand the newsgroup creation guidelines, > have the necessary resources and volunteer as vote taker. > > Carl Edman I agree with Carl on this. The splitting of c.s.n.hardware into subgroups seems like the best way to go. Obviously drivers pertain directly to the screwy Intel hardware, and that will also encompass all the video cards, drivers and conflicts that will come up when you are dealing with a PC type hardware. And since Carl has volunteered to handle the vote taking we no longer have to haggle about it! Scott (whose Dell 486 can't talk to a mouse and a modem at the same time!) -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria) Subject: Q: Disk eject & s/w shutdown Message-ID: <1993May19.030304.6754@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Sender: usenet@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (usenet dummy) Organization: Northeastern U., Boston, Massachusetts Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 03:03:04 GMT Is there any PC running NEXTSTEP that has automagical disk eject & s/w shutdown? If not, how difficult is it to implement them? Thank
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Is anyone still interested in a NS/486 Dev. Con. swap? Message-ID: <1993May19.035109.24895@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 93 03:51:09 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO I've decided that I can afford the time off from school to stay in S.F. for three days (yes I know it's a little late) so I thought I'd ask if anyone is still looking for someone to go to the confrence for them and get the software in exchange? If you are reply by e-mail or phone. Thanks, -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu 805-543-8795
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <1993May19.034628.11650@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <CEDMAN.93May18114133@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1993May19.024736.5962@digifix.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 03:46:28 GMT We do not need a new newsgroup. NS/FIP is essentially identical to the m68k product (it's basically a subset), and amount of *truly* Intel-specific material can easily be accommodated in the existing newsgroups. Throughout the entire history of the comp.sys.next newsgroups, further splitting has consistently increased posting volume, degraded the signal/noise ratio, and resulted in increased confusion. Once again, let me remind you of EXISTING usenet newsgroups that you should be aware of: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware XT/AT/EISA hardware, any vendor. comp.sys.intel Discussions about Intel systems and parts. comp.sys.laptops Laptop (portable) computers. comp.unix.dos-under-unix MS-DOS running under UNIX by whatever means. comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit UNIX on 386 and 486 architectures. (and there are *several dozen more* that are directly relevant to all NEXTSTEP customers) -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aelman@cs.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Q: Disk eject & s/w shutdown Message-ID: <1993May19.035226.23244@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993May19.030304.6754@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 93 03:52:26 GMT In article <1993May19.030304.6754@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> ozakaria@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Oki Zakaria) writes: > Is there any PC running NEXTSTEP that has automagical disk eject & > s/w shutdown? If not, how difficult is it to implement them? > > > Thank Probably pretty difficult, considering it would take an entirely new drive, a new drive controller, and some sort of power supply controller. Automatic disk ejection and s/w shutdown has never been part of the PC world; I strongly doubt we'll see anything resembling it in the near future. Too bad, too. :-( Adam Elman aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: Typing pathnames in Workspace Browser? Message-ID: <scott.737798301@shrug> Summary: is it possible? Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 07:58:21 GMT Once upon a time I got the feeling I saw someone type on the Workspace; to specify a pathname, that is, they typed "/usr/local/lib" and up that came on the browser...was I smoking a funny bit of solder or is that possible under 3.0? It was under 2.1 when I saw it I think.. Thanks. -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Did you know that the computer invented itself?" - SNL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: FREE EXPO PASSES Message-ID: <1993May18.155036.11853@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. Distribution: na Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 15:50:36 GMT Anyone who is interested in stopping by the Blue Rose booth (#735) may receive free passes (exhibit only) by sending a self-addressed, stamped envelope to: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. 26883 Dezahara Way Los Altos, CA 94022 We look forward to seeing you at EXPO. M Carling President, Blue Rose Systems, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: afm@vogon (Andreas Mueller) Subject: Re: Reading UNIX floppies Message-ID: <1993May19.093447.22269@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany References: <1993May18.052714.9621@relief.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 93 09:34:47 GMT jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) writes: : If you want to read the data off them, just issue the appropriate tar or cpio : command BEFORE inserting the floppy. You will then get an alert panel : telling you to insert the disk and all is hunky-dory. Well, almost. You should be root to do this. You should use /dev/rfd0b, which is usually not world readable. Andreas Mueller ------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Andreas Mueller afm@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de Mathematisches Institut Im Neuenheimer Feld 288 W - 6900 Heidelberg 1 -------------------------------------------------------
From: rabahya@yang.earlham.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Setting personal name? Message-ID: <1993May18.233205.23384@yang.earlham.edu> Date: 18 May 93 23:32:04 EST Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana Hi I want to have a quota or a name next to my user name when I send messages to people from my NeXT. Is that possible? I was able to do it on my account on the VAX/VMS. jack@math.earlham.edu (NeXTmail prefered) rabahya@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ccx009@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley) Subject: HP Laserjet IV with NextStation Turbo Message-ID: <C79qqD.71u@cck.coventry.ac.uk> Followup-To: poster Sender: news@cck.coventry.ac.uk (news user) Organization: Coventry University Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 10:06:11 GMT Please.... has anyone out there got an HPLJ4 hooked into a NextStation Turbo Colour and is able to print. We can't seem to get a cable that works. No flow control seems to be seen by the NextStation although the LJ is sending loads of Xon/Off signals. Any help appreciated, with all the pin assignments if possible. -- _ /-\dam FLESH: Adam Bentley (Fraggle), Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Karen Duca, a.k.a. Rocky) Subject: Re: Is anyone still interested in a NS/486 Dev. Con. swap? Message-ID: <1993May19.104009.10554@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University References: <1993May19.035109.24895@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 10:40:09 GMT Hi, Mont I'm possibly interested in having you get the software for me. Send me the details by e-mail and we'll see if we can work out a price that I can afford (I'm a student myself.) Take care, Karen duca@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
From: hacker@access.digex.net (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: What *is* it with Pencom X Windows keycodes (or am I stupid?) Date: 19 May 1993 09:14:38 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <1tdbru$2n5@access.digex.net> Well I upgraded to Pencom's X Windows version 3.0 and I find that all the key codes for my keyboard have changed! AGAIN! Now am I stupid or shouldn't these keycodes be the same across X Windows implementations and version of the same implementation? I can't look at character codes for my application because I need to see such non-character generating keys like shift and control and stuff like that. Besides... my app is already key code based and that's that. So should I be using a Symbol data base (there's a file called something like XSymbolDB in /usr/lib/X/mumble) that's common across platforms? Last I looked I don't think Pencom supplied one. Well... I think you get the point. I'm just trying to determine if Pencomis falling asleep at the switch here or if I need to provide some kind of key code mapping that will gaurenttee consistancy. Is there an accepted "standard" for key codes? As a point of refernce, I've also used MouseX and my program works perfectly with this so that's why I'm concluding that maybe Pencom has a problem. - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: comp.sys.next.programmer at Expo on CD????? Date: 19 May 1993 10:15:06 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tctqq$je@steffi.demon.co.uk> Is anybody selling "an uptodate as of last month say" comp.sys.next.* news CD at Expo? Most of the ones cut early only had up till late 1991 on them. I'm really only after comp.sys.next.programmer but the rest would be nice also. I trust there is a DL index on the CD too with the option of storing the index on HD. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: HP Laserjet IV with NextStation Turbo Message-ID: <1993May19.154510.7786@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 93 15:45:10 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <C79qqD.71u@cck.coventry.ac.uk> In article <C79qqD.71u@cck.coventry.ac.uk> ccx009@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley) writes: > > Please.... > has anyone out there got an HPLJ4 hooked into > a NextStation Turbo Colour and is able to print. > We can't seem to get a cable that works. No flow > control seems to be seen by the NextStation although > the LJ is sending loads of Xon/Off signals. > > Any help appreciated, with all the pin assignments > if possible. Is that a HPLJ4 or 4M? You need the 4M until someone rights a RIP for the 4. If it is a 4M then sorry but I don't know. -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Setting personal name? Date: 19 May 1993 16:08:17 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tdm1h$5uu@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1993May18.233205.23384@yang.earlham.edu> Keywords: setenv NAME In article <1993May18.233205.23384@yang.earlham.edu> rabahya@yang.earlham.edu writes: | Hi | | I want to have a quota or a name next to my user name when I send messages to | people from my NeXT. Is that possible? I was able to do it on my account on the | VAX/VMS. | | jack@math.earlham.edu (NeXTmail prefered) | rabahya@yang.earlham.edu I think what you want is to put setenv NAME 'Yacoub Ayoub Rabah' in your .cshrc file. -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: lwake@runcible.West.Sun.COM (Larry Wake) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Q: Disk eject & s/w shutdown Date: 19 May 1993 16:26:26 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, San Diego, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tdn3iINN4rf@west.West.Sun.COM> References: <1993May19.035226.23244@leland.Stanford.EDU> In article 23244@leland.Stanford.EDU, aelman@cs.stanford.edu writes: >Automatic disk ejection and s/w shutdown has never been part of the PC world; >I strongly doubt we'll see anything resembling it in the near future. Too >bad, too. :-( My mom's Epson Equity (8086-vintage PC clone) has software power-off. Originally, I set it up with a DIE.BAT command; before I turned it over to her, I decided the name SLEEP would be a little less disconcerting. -- Larry Wake, Sun Microsystems San Diego field office (larry.wake@west.sun.com) "Will I dream?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: AMAZING Educational Discount for NS/Intel Message-ID: <1993May19.152305.24235@husc3.harvard.edu> From: jmcaulif@husc.harvard.edu (Jon McAuliffe) Date: 19 May 93 15:23:05 EDT Distribution: world Haven't seen this posted yet, so here goes (cross-posted to advocacy because I think it's important enough): News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NeXT ANNOUNCES EDUCATIONAL PRICING FOR NEXTSTEP ACADEMIC BUNDLE FOR EDUCATIONAL COMMUNITY SAN FRANCISCO, May 18, 1993 - NeXT Inc. today announced its educational pricing and distribution partnership for the NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle for Education. The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle consists of the full NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel processors product and the NEXTSTEP Developer Release 3.1 CD-ROM. The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle is available for purchase by educational institutions (K-12 and Higher Education) and their students, faculty, and staff for academic (non-commercial) use only. This product includes the full user documentation, a catalog of NEXTSTEP Education and Support products available from NeXT, a Third-party Demo CD-ROM, and on-line Developer documentation. "The educational community is NeXT's oldest market and partner, and hundreds of colleges and universities have adopted NEXTSTEP as a core teaching and research solution. NeXT remains committed to enabling educators to use NEXTSTEP to promote educational innovation, " said Dr. Ronald Weissman, NeXT's Director of Corporate Marketing. "Making the Academic Bundle available to educators at such a low price is another sign of NeXT's ongoing commitment to the educational community." Pricing The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle is available to educational institutions, faculty, staff and students at a suggested list price (single quantity) of $249.00 (US$). The suggested commercial price ^^^^^^^ (NOT a misprint, I checked). for the NEXTSTEP User and Developer products outside of the educational community is $2,790 (US$). Distribution and Availability The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle will be sold to Higher Education customers through campus computer resellers, including college and university bookstores and academic computing centers. Selected campus computer resellers will be authorized to resell the NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle within the K-12 academic community. The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle is being distributed to campus computer resellers in the U.S., Canada, and Mexico through NACSCORP, a national distributor of educationally priced software and peripheral products. NACSCORP will begin taking orders from campus computer resellers on May 25, 1993. The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle will begin shipping on June 15, 1993. Start calling your friends... _________________________________________________________________________ Jon McAuliffe jmcaulif@husc.harvard.edu NeXT ex-Campus Consultant 617.493.3004 (voice/fax) Harvard University
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: EDUCATIONAL PRICING! Date: 19 May 1993 21:39:49 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1te9f5INNcob@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NeXT ANNOUNCES EDUCATIONAL PRICING FOR NEXTSTEP ACADEMIC BUNDLE FOR EDUCATIONAL COMMUNITY SAN FRANCISCO, May 18, 1993 - NeXT Inc. today announced its educational pricing and distribution partnership for the NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle for Education. The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle consists of the full NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel processors product and the NEXTSTEP Developer Release 3.1 CD-ROM. The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle is available for purchase by educational institutions (K-12 and Higher Education) and their students, faculty, and staff for academic (non-commercial) use only. This product includes the full user documentation, a catalog of NEXTSTEP Education and Support products available from NeXT, a Third-party Demo CD-ROM, and on-line Developer documentation. "The educational community is NeXT's oldest market and partner, and hundreds of colleges and universities have adopted NEXTSTEP as a core teaching and research solution. NeXT remains committed to enabling educators to use NEXTSTEP to promote educational innovation, " said Dr. Ronald Weissman, NeXT's Director of Corporate Marketing. "Making the Academic Bundle available to educators at such a low price is another sign of NeXT's ongoing commitment to the educational community." Pricing The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle is available to educational institutions, faculty, staff and students at a suggested list price (single quantity) of $249.00 (US$). The suggested commercial price for the NEXTSTEP User and Developer products outside of the educational community is $2,790 (US$). Distribution and Availability The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle will be sold to Higher Education customers through campus computer resellers, including college and university bookstores and academic computing centers. Selected campus computer resellers will be authorized to resell the NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle within the K-12 academic community. The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle is being distributed to campus computer resellers in the U.S., Canada, and Mexico through NACSCORP, a national distributor of educationally priced software and peripheral products. NACSCORP will begin taking orders from campus computer resellers on May 25, 1993. The NEXTSTEP Academic Bundle will begin shipping on June 15, 1993.
From: bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: forgotten hardware password Date: 19 May 1993 14:59:17 -0700 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Sender: nntp@aludra.usc.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <1teajlINNau1@aludra.usc.edu> Could someone please tell me how, or where I should look, to overcome the problem of a lost hardware (Prom) password. email would be great. Thanks in advance, Brian A. Kowal <><, Unix Technical Support phone: (213) 740-9338 University Computing Services uucp: usc!bkowal University of Southern California internet: bkowal@usc.edu
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Typing pathnames in Workspace Browser? Date: 19 May 1993 19:32:21 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <1te205INN7d@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <scott.737798301@shrug> In article <scott.737798301@shrug> S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: > > Once upon a time I got the feeling I saw someone type on the > Workspace; to specify a pathname, that is, they typed "/usr/local/lib" and > up that came on the browser...was I smoking a funny bit of solder or > is that possible under 3.0? It was under 2.1 when I saw it I think.. > Just type a filename and it will automagically get entered into the Find panel (which by the way also comes up when it wasn't there), the nice thing is: globbing works too in that panel! You'll see all possible completions and then you can either type on or click the appropriate entry... (This is under 3.0) Try it! :-)) I'm so happy with my NeXT every day I use it (<- free advertisment for NeXT!) Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
From: michael@wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Typing pathnames in Workspace Browser? Date: 19 May 1993 17:45:04 GMT Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands Message-ID: <1tdrn0$1sn@tricky.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <scott.737798301@shrug> In article <scott.737798301@shrug> S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: > Once upon a time I got the feeling I saw someone type on the > Workspace; to specify a pathname, that is, they typed "/usr/local/lib" and > up that came on the browser...was I smoking a funny bit of solder or > is that possible under 3.0? It was under 2.1 when I saw it I think.. You can do this in any 3.x browser. Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Gregory W. Gee <gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Subject: image editor? Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 23:15:26 GMT Message-ID: <9305192315.AA15061@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> To: comp.sys.next.misc@newshost.uwo.ca Sender: daemon@julian.uwo.ca (Julian System Daemon Account) Is there a a program that can edit different image files. I thought that ImageViewer could save a resized version of an image but it just copied the original. I only want to resize some JPEG images. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please respond by mail if it is possible. Thanks. **************************************************************************** Greg Gee gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Honours Computer Science, ggee@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario NeXT Mail accepted >>> Developing in the NeXT generation <<< ****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zazen!anderson From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: FREE EXPO PASSES Message-ID: <1993May19.154937.1316@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993May18.155036.11853@bluerose.com> <1tdjtcINN2u7@systemix.com> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 19 May 93 15:49:37 GMT In article <1tdjtcINN2u7@systemix.com> brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) writes: >In article <1993May18.155036.11853@bluerose.com> >M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >>Anyone who is interested in stopping by the Blue Rose booth (#735) may >>receive free passes (exhibit only) by sending a self-addressed, stamped >>envelope to: >Eh ? If these are the same passes everyone else in the NeXT business got >to pass out, you may not be able to use them at this point. The problem >with the "FREE" Expo passes is that they are only "FREE" if you preregister >by mail. If you simply show up with pass in hand, you pay $40. I know nothing about that, but ... >I'm goint >to guess that it's a little late to register by mail. ... it's not too late to register by phone; you're allowed to pay up (the lower price) *at* the conference registration table. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [--> Politics: strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. <-]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: What *is* it with Pencom X Windows keycodes (or am I stupid?) Message-ID: <C7Av4I.5xD@agedwards.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 00:38:41 GMT References: <1tdbru$2n5@access.digex.net> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. NOTE: This is posted only because I think it proper to point that Pencom is most likely not in the wrong in the situation below. hacker@access.digex.net (Dark Hacker) writes: >Well I upgraded to Pencom's X Windows version 3.0 and I find that all >the key codes for my keyboard have changed! AGAIN! Now am I stupid or >shouldn't these keycodes be the same across X Windows implementations >and version of the same implementation? I can't look at character >codes for my application because I need to see such non-character >generating keys like shift and control and stuff like that. Besides... >my app is already key code based and that's that. If you are indeed using keycodes in an X app, then shame on you :-) *Keycodes* are notoriously non-portable, even between hardware from the same vendor, revs of X, etc. Every book that I have read on X programming (most notably the O'Reilly series) has stressed the point that one should use KeySyms over KeyCodes in every case. If you, for some reason, believe that KeyCodes are the savior of mankind and simply must be used, resolve the Sym to its Code and use that. If you want to talk about this more, I'll be glad to take it to mail, give manual pointers, etc. I just wanted to stick up for Pencom at this point (no association with Pencom, though). -cj -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: derungjj@cda.mrs.umn.edu (John DeRung) Subject: Compatibility Guide Message-ID: <C7B9GJ.AI0@cda.mrs.umn.edu> Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 05:48:18 GMT Sorry if this is a FAQ, but where would one find a NeXT compatibility guide for NS/FIP 3.1? Where trying to figure out what hardware we will need to purchase in the future and this information would be helpful. John (derungjj@cda.mrs.umn.edu) (derungjj@UMNMOR.bitnet)
From: nishimu@macro.co.jp (Tosh Nishimura) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why not develop NS/Intel on old NeXT hardware? Message-ID: <NISHIMU.93May20142348@janis.macro.co.jp> Date: 20 May 93 05:23:48 GMT References: <1t3eeo$p1d@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <1993May16.001608.21336@csus.edu> Sender: nishimu@macro.co.jp (Tosh Nishimura) Organization: Macro Engineering Co., Ltd. Chiyoda-ku Tokyo, Japan. In-Reply-To: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU's message of 16 May 93 09: 16:08 JST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 In article <1993May16.001608.21336@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: The good news is that 3.1 on Black Hardware looks like it's going to be a total speed demon, and a 25MHz slab with 16MB RAM now compares favorably with a 66MHz 486DX2 with "accelerated graphics" and twice as much memory. Is that true? So is NSTurbo with 3.1 faster than 486DX266 with 3.1? -- Tosh Nishimura nishimu@macro.co.jp Macro Engineering Co., Ltd. Japan-3-3864-6641
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Using NEXTSTEP for a Mac server and connection to Unix network Message-ID: <C7BCMp.862@utstat.toronto.edu> Keywords: Mac Server Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993May18.222128.4860@iitmax.iit.edu> <1993May19.015535.17495@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 06:56:48 GMT In article <1993May19.015535.17495@fcom.cc.utah.edu> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) writes: [ ] > >It sounds like what you want is uShare, made by IPT. I don't know if >they've ported it to the '486, as the last time I talked with them they >were bummed out about NeXT's sale of the factory. This is not at all the impression I got from speaking to them off and on over the past little while. They are busy moving things to NS/Intel. Odd statemnt...these types of blanket statements do not serve any useful purpose ("bummed out..."). [ ] -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: forgotten hardware password Message-ID: <1993May20.073026.15409@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1teajlINNau1@aludra.usc.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 07:30:26 GMT In article <1teajlINNau1@aludra.usc.edu> bkowal@usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal) writes: >Could someone please tell me how, or where I should look, to overcome >the problem of a lost hardware (Prom) password. This code must be compiled on a pre-3.0 system (gee, thanks NeXT) uuencoded binary follows ->must be run as superuser<- #include <stdio.h> #include <sys/types.h> #include <sys/ioctl.h> #include <mon/nvram.h> #include <nextdev/video.h> main() { register int v; struct nvram_info nv; if ((v=open("/dev/vid0", 0))<0) { perror("/dev/vid0"); exit(1); } if (ioctl(v, DKIOCGNVRAM, &nv)<0) { perror("couldn't read NVRAM"); exit(1); } switch (nv.ni_hw_pwd) { case 0: putchar('\n'); break; case HW_PWD: *(u_long *)nv.ni_ep^=0x4e4e4e4eL; *(u_short *)&nv.ni_ep[4]^=0x4e4e; /*FALL THROUGH*/ default: (void)printf("%.6s\n", nv.ni_ep); break; } (void)close(v); exit(0); } begin 755 a.out M_NWZS@````8````!`````0````0```*T`````0````$```(4```````````` M``````````````````,D```"T````Q0````'````!P````<`````7U]T97AT M`````````````%]?5$585``````````````````````!M````M`````!```` M``````````````````````!?7V9V;6QI8E]I;FET,```7U]415A4```````` M`````````;0```$P```$A`````(``````````````````````````%]?9G9M M;&EB7VEN:70Q``!?7U1%6%0````````````````"Y`````````6T`````@`` M````````````````````````7U]C<W1R:6YG`````````%]?5$585``````` M``````````+D````)```!;0````````````````````"``````````!?7V1A M=&$`````````````7U]$051!`````````````````P@````,```%V`````(` M`````````````````````````%]?8G-S``````````````!?7T1!5$$````` M```````````#%````````````````@```````````````0``````````7U]C M;VUM;VX``````````%]?1$%400````````````````,@````!``````````$ M```````````````!```````````````&````,````!0````L!0```"]U<W(O M<VAL:6(O;&EB<WES7W,N0BYS:&QI8@`````"````&``````````````````` M```````%````6`````$````2```````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M($^>_``,(!@N@"/````##"](``0CR````Q!2@.6`T<`O2``((\@```,(8?\` M``!(2KD$`0*P9Q@@>00!`K!.D$JY!`$!I&<(('D$`0&D3I!*N0```R!G!F'_ M```"QD*Y!`$%L&'_````/BZ`8?\%`"1"3G%.5O_\+7P```&T__Q.<0RN```" MY/_\9!0@;O_\(&@`!")N__P@D5"N__Q@XDY>3G5.5O_@+P)"ITAY```"Y&'_ M!0`K$"0`4$]L&$AY```"Y&'_!0`K7DAX``%A_P4`(^!03TAN_^`O/$`@=@0O M`F'_!0`FZM[\``Q*@&P82'D```+N8?\%`"LL2'@``6'_!0`CKE!/Z>X`A/_B M9PAR!K*`9V1@<$'Y!`$`%%.0:PQ82")0$KP`"E*08&Q#^00!`!1*.00!`"5L M+"`11("PN00!`"!L("!Y!`$`&!"\``HO"2!Y!`$`&$*`$!`O`&'_!0`?0&`P M2'D$`0`42'@`"F'_!0`?+F`>"JY.3DY._^0*;DY._^A(;O_D2'D```,"8?\% M`"M04$\O`F'_!0`@_$*G8?\%`",*)"[_W$Y>3G5.<04`/6H$`094!0`]9`0! M!E`%`#U>!`$&1`4`/5@$`09`!0`]4@0!!CP%`"10!`$&.`4`)$H$`08T!0`R ME@0!!C`%`"16!`$&+`4`)$0$`08<!0`D+`0!!A@%`"0F!`$&%`4`)"`$`080 M!0`D/@0!!B@%`"1<!`$&2`4`)!H$`08,!0`D,@0!!B0%`"04!`$&"`4`)`X$ M`08$!0`D.`0!!B`%`"AD!`$&``4`+L0$`07\```##`0!!DP```,0!`$%]`4` M*0P$`07P!0`I!@0!!>P%`"D`!`$%Z`4`*1($`07D!0`E1@0!!>`%`"GD!`$% MW`4`,H0$`078!0`M>@0!!=0%`"(*!`$%T`4`*/H$`07,!0`DL`0!!<@```,( M!`$%P`4`(+0$`06\!0`@W@0!!;@O9&5V+W9I9#``8V]U;&1N)W0@<F5A9"!. 75E)!30`E+C9S"@````````````````!V ` end length 1508 sum 37551 -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: brad@instep.wimsey.bc.ca Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <1993May19.231257.7084@instep.wimsey.bc.ca> Sender: brad@instep.wimsey.bc.ca (Bradley Head) Organization: InStep Mobile Communications Inc. References: <1993May17.182429.22054@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 23:12:57 GMT In article <1993May17.182429.22054@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > > This problem had been predicted in this space quite some time ago. > It has clearly arrived. Perhaps c.s.n.hardware should be split into > c.s.n.moto and c.s.n.intel (which would also give a natural place to > place future groups such as c.s.n.decalpha and c.s.n.sparc :-). > Should we not rename all of the comp.sys.next.* groups comp.os.nextstep.* ? Then appropriate new groups would be comp.os.nextstep.intel, comp.os.nextstep.moto(rola), etc... brad. -- Bradley Head Software Developer, InStep Mobile Communications Inc. brad@instep.wimsey.bc.ca (NeXTmail accepted) 604 872-7116 fax: 604 872-7125
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: 3.1: What's in it for you (and what's not) Message-ID: <1993May20.104503.23153@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:45:03 GMT Here are a few tidbits about the forthcoming 3.1 Release, to squelch some of the rumors that have been circulating recently (and maybe spark a few more--who knows?). Please don't mail questions about this material--I probably won't have time to respond before Expo, when people will be walking off with their own copies anyway--and the truth will come out. Non-nondisclosure: NeXT publicly exhibited a late 3.1 prerelease at DB/Expo earlier this month, and let attendees (including me) play with it, read the Release Notes, etc. If you have 3.1 prerelease software, you probably know everything I have to say already, and can skip to the next article. *** * N.B. If you think you have no other reason to upgrade, note * that 3.1 contains MAJOR security bugfixes that affect all * customers with networked systems. NeXT doesn't like to talk * about this, much less document it. [Kudos to the guys at CERT] *** 3.1 is noticeably faster than 3.0. NeXT claims a 10-15% speedup, but I'd call that an underestimate. Things that got significantly fixed: AppKit DBKit Distributed Objects Indexing Kit printing/faxing software color imaging (particularly w.r.t. CMYK) There have been major upgrades to several development tools, including gcc (2.2.2), gdb (4.7), and emacs (18.59.3). MallocDebug is supposed to work better. Any precompiled headers you made under 3.0 will have to be recreated--they are not compatible with 3.1's compiler. There are many new compile- time options, many dealing with optimization. Yes, you can compile for either m68k or i386, and produce corpulent binaries. The compresshelp utility is included. The beginnings of DriverKit (for Intel systems *only*) are included. Last night, I was talking to one of NeXT's people about it--he said it was basically preliminary, not completely documented, and may change between now and the 3.2 release. NeXT "really wants people to use it," however--and let them know how it can be improved. Two features I asked for a *long* time ago finally made it into NeXT's implementation of Mach: (1) something like VAX/VMS' $PURGWS to kick unwanted pages out of physical memory and (2) a Mach analog of BSD's vadvise() to notify of anomalous paging behavior, on a page range basis. There is a demo application to read Kodak PhotoCDs, but it doesn't support multisession discs, even with your CDROM drive can handle them. Anyone remember the bug reporting app from pre-1.0 days that never worked? Well, it looks like NeXT may finally have gotten around to shipping one that does, assuming you aren't complaining about broken sendmail configurations. :-) The "Summaries" documentation is finally online. Also updated Objective C concepts--and much better DBKit docs. The login window has been radically redesigned and is butt-ugly. PhoneKit (and the MessageCenter example) are gone, gone, gone. (I Smell Dollars Now --> It Still Doesn't Network?) AppleTalk? What's that? *Still* no IP multicast support! Grr... New "improved" (NOT!) POSIX-braindamaged terminal driver. That's right, it's completely different from what you're used to. Don't expect to be able to compile POSIXified applications under 3.1, though. So far only the terminal driver has been molested. Something's slightly broken now, but I'm not sure if it's ptys or the Terminal app. The Netware API is included (new shared library). NS/FIP supports rather limited hardware configurations. You have a choice: you can buy a machine with the "best" SCSI controller, "best" Ethernet card, "best" sound card, etc. -or- you can buy a machine that NEXTSTEP 3.1 will run on ... and be ridiculed by Windoze and OS/2 users. Fortunately, it looks like 3.2 will be a "free" upgrade, and by then it might actually support some decent hardware (decent by Intel standards, that is). If impressing the appropriate sex means having NS/FIP running now, get a new PC with NEXTSTEP preloaded--you can always unload it on some unsuspecting sucker later. Other apparent NS/FIP casualties: MIDI driver, graphics tablets. Good News about NS/FIP: gethostid() returns 0 on White Hardware, so at least one obnoxious form of copy protection is dead in the water. Hallelujah! More Good News: you can set your keyboard mapping to "NeXTUSA" in which case it behaves like the *original* NeXT keyboard-- Alt becomes Command, Control becomes Alternate, Caps Lock becomes Control, and oh-my-god \ is in the right place! And it might even run on FCC Class B certified hardware!!! All in all, most "Black Hardware" users will find 3.1 a significant improvement over 3.0 (I'd call it a *must* upgrade), and "White Hardware" users who aren't interested in application development should probably wait for 3.2 before making up their minds about how NEXTSTEP compares to anything else on the market. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no (Eystein Dugstad) Subject: Any experience on using MS-DOS and NS/FIP on the same PC? Message-ID: <1993May20.104158.11121@alf.uib.no> Sender: usenet@alf.uib.no (Bergen University Newsaccount) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Thu, 20 May 93 10:41:58 GMT I plan to run NS/FIP on a PC, but still need to run DOS programs. I know this is possible to do without Soft-PC, but is it convenient? How much diskspace do I need? Is it easy to choose what OS to boot? email answers and comments to me or post it if you think it is of general interest. thanks in advance Eystein Dugstad University of Bergen, Norway
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <1993May20.110008.23666@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993May17.182429.22054@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1993May19.231257.7084@instep.wimsey.bc.ca> Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 11:00:08 GMT In article <1993May19.231257.7084@instep.wimsey.bc.ca> brad@instep.wimsey.bc.ca writes: >Should we not rename all of the comp.sys.next.* groups >comp.os.nextstep.* ? Then appropriate new groups would be >comp.os.nextstep.intel, comp.os.nextstep.moto(rola), etc... We should not. We already have comp.soft-sys.nextstep. We do not need *any* more newsgroups. We do not need to rename *anything*. There is little or no Intel specificity that cannot be accomodated under the current usenet newsgroups. NEXTSTEP is not an operating system. It does not fit under comp.os.*. These proposals are misguided and destructive. Please stop. Please stop NOW. -=EPS=- -- Secret Microsoft conspiracy to destroy USENET NeXT community so Windows NT can take over the world. Film at 11.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de (Ralf Neumann) Subject: CD-ROMApple150/NeXT Help the 2nd Message-ID: <1993May18.151640.11460@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de Organization: no Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 15:16:40 GMT Hello! Thanks a lot for your replies on my posting: >I just bought a Apple CD-Rom-Player and it's working fine with Data CD's. >My problem is that it is impossible to play any music CD's with the >CDPlayer.app:-( Still it's not working! It was a clear thing that I have to listen to Audio CD's over the line outputs of the CD Player. But the problem is that the CDPlayer.app is not able to recognize Audio CD's so it can't display the titles and naturally I can't listen to them. Who can help my (I know that it is possible but how?)???? Thanks in advance Ralf %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|* %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de (Ralf Neumann) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <1993May19.063743.581@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de Organization: no References: <g5PP4B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 06:37:43 GMT > S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: > > > > > > > As someone who will not be able to afford NeXTstep for Intel, > > and is not particularly interested in the flood of messages > > that are about to take place (Do you have a driver for > > X ethernet? What about Y video?) and so on...I think that > > we should get the move on in making comp.sys.next.intel > > or something like that in the very near future. > > > > What say you all? It will be the best so I would say yes. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|* %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
From: hacker@access.digex.net (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: What *is* it with Pencom X Windows keycodes (or am I stupid?) Date: 20 May 1993 09:45:51 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <1tg22f$s71@access.digex.net> References: <1tdbru$2n5@access.digex.net> <C7Av4I.5xD@agedwards.com> In article <C7Av4I.5xD@agedwards.com> cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) writes: >NOTE: This is posted only because I think it proper to point that Pencom >is most likely not in the wrong in the situation below. > >If you are indeed using keycodes in an X app, then shame on you :-) >*Keycodes* are notoriously non-portable, even between hardware from >the same vendor, revs of X, etc. Every book that I have read on >X programming (most notably the O'Reilly series) has stressed the >point that one should use KeySyms over KeyCodes in every case. If >you, for some reason, believe that KeyCodes are the savior of mankind >and simply must be used, resolve the Sym to its Code and use that. > >If you want to talk about this more, I'll be glad to take it to mail, >give manual pointers, etc. I just wanted to stick up for Pencom at >this point (no association with Pencom, though). I'm not blaming Pencom simply because I don't know if I'm at fault or if it's Pencom's implementation. That's why I'm asking if anyone else out there has had similar experiences. I suspect Pencom because the software I'm using is portable between many other X Windows implementations (as I had pointed out) but not Co-Xist. Also, Pencom's key codes HAVE been out of spec with the X Windows standard (returning codes less than 8) which makes me somewhat suspcious. And I think I am resolving key syms but that's a good point and I should double check it to make sure. So if anyone has had similar experiences with Co-Xist, give me a yell. - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Derek Kwan Subject: BBS for NeXT machines? Message-ID: <C7ByE3.CGn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: news@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca Organization: University of Waterloo Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 14:46:51 GMT Is there any BBS for NeXT machines? Derek
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <C7Bx7E.2AI@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <1993May20.110008.23666@csus.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 14:21:13 GMT In article <1993May20.110008.23666@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > These proposals are misguided and destructive. Please stop. > Please stop NOW. > > -=EPS=- Another NAY from me. We already have all the groups needed. More would mean more stupid crossposting and wasted time trying to track down stuff worth reading... -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Rob Parkhill <Rob.Parkhill@bnr.ca> Subject: Cheap(er) 486's Message-ID: <1993May20.134420.11575@bnr.ca> Sender: news@bnr.ca (usenet) Organization: Northern Telecom Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 13:44:20 GMT So, I'm thumbing through the latest (June) issue of Byte (which has a NEXTSTEP ad in it, by the way), and I run across the typical Gateway 2000 ad. Well, it seems that they have dropped their prices yet again! Check this (possibly NEXTSTEP compatible) system out: 4DX2-66V - 66MHz 486DX2 - 16MB RAM, 256K cache (!!) - 3.5" Floppy drive - CD-ROM Drive - 340MB 13ms IDE Hard Drive - Local Bus IDE Interface - Pentium Upgradable (for about $500, or so they say :-) - ATI Ultra Pro Video w/1MB VRAM on VL-Bus - 15" Colour CrystalScan 1572FS - Desktop Case - 7 ISA Slots, 2 on VL-Bus - 124 Key AnyKey Keyboard - Mouse - The typical MickeySoft Wondows/Dos/Choice of application software stuff (ooohh, aahhh) With a few changes(another Meg of VRAM, upgrade to their better monitor, and a SCSI controller) This could be a pretty nice system! As it stands, the system goes for $2995 (!!!) A friend of mine just bought the same system minus 8Megs of RAM and the CD-ROM drive for the same price. My only question is: Is it possible to install NEXTSTEP from CD with the CD-ROM drive in this thing? Or will it need a SCSI CD-ROM drive? With the Edu price for NEXSTEP sitting at $249, I could get a wicked Colour NeXT set-up for under $4 000! Yay! Anyone know about Gateway's upgrades (to SCSI and a better monitor)? I guess I'll have to call them at lunch :-) later... Rob
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cheap(er) 486's Date: 20 May 1993 16:07:42 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1tgaceINNnvh@news.u.washington.edu> References: <1993May20.134420.11575@bnr.ca> Rob Parkhill <Rob.Parkhill@bnr.ca> writes: >So, I'm thumbing through the latest (June) issue of Byte (which has a >NEXTSTEP ad in it, by the way), and I run across the typical Gateway 2000 >ad. Well, it seems that they have dropped their prices yet again! Check >this (possibly NEXTSTEP compatible) system out: >4DX2-66V >- 66MHz 486DX2 >- 16MB RAM, 256K cache (!!) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ make sure they give you one 16MB SIMM, rather than four 4MB SIMMS >- 3.5" Floppy drive >- CD-ROM Drive ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ not NS compatible right now (or ever, most likely) >- 340MB 13ms IDE Hard Drive ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ if you upgrade to their 500MB drive, you get SCSI for free >- Local Bus IDE Interface >- Pentium Upgradable (for about $500, or so they say :-) >- ATI Ultra Pro Video w/1MB VRAM on VL-Bus ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1MB extra VRAM + RAMDAC upgrade == $90 >- 15" Colour CrystalScan 1572FS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ DON'T get this monitor! The standard upgrade is a Nanao 17" for an extra $750. BUT, if you order a headless system, they'll credit you some $400 so you can buy a nice Sony Trinitron 17" for the same money (3rd party). >- Desktop Case >- 7 ISA Slots, 2 on VL-Bus >- 124 Key AnyKey Keyboard >- Mouse ^^^^^^^^ I sure hope NSFIP supports the MS serial/bus mouse, 'cause those are your only choices from Gateway. >- The typical MickeySoft Wondows/Dos/Choice of application software stuff >(ooohh, aahhh) >With the Edu price for NEXSTEP sitting at $249, I could get a wicked >Colour NeXT >set-up for under $4 000! Yay! Anyone know about Gateway's upgrades (to >SCSI and a better monitor)? I guess I'll have to call them at lunch :-) David Basiji UW Bioengineering
From: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cheap(er) 486's Date: 20 May 1993 15:58:22 GMT Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1tg9quINN3g5@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993May20.134420.11575@bnr.ca> In article <1993May20.134420.11575@bnr.ca> Rob Parkhill <Rob.Parkhill@bnr.ca> writes: > So, I'm thumbing through the latest (June) issue of Byte (which has a > NEXTSTEP ad in it, by the way), and I run across the typical Gateway 2000 > ad. Well, it seems that they have dropped their prices yet again! Check > this (possibly NEXTSTEP compatible) system out: > > > 4DX2-66V > > - 66MHz 486DX2 > - 16MB RAM, 256K cache (!!) > - 3.5" Floppy drive > - CD-ROM Drive > - 340MB 13ms IDE Hard Drive > - Local Bus IDE Interface > - Pentium Upgradable (for about $500, or so they say :-) > - ATI Ultra Pro Video w/1MB VRAM on VL-Bus > - 15" Colour CrystalScan 1572FS > - Desktop Case > - 7 ISA Slots, 2 on VL-Bus > - 124 Key AnyKey Keyboard > - Mouse > - The typical MickeySoft Wondows/Dos/Choice of application software stuff > (ooohh, aahhh) > > set-up for under $4 000! Yay! Anyone know about Gateway's upgrades (to > SCSI and a better monitor)? I guess I'll have to call them at lunch :-) > > later... > Rob The Gateway upgrade to a 500MB SCSI HD is $535. Moving to a 17" monitor will cost another $400 or so (I think). Does this setup really come with 16MB RAM? I have only seen it advertised with 8MB. I also wonder if the ATI Ultra Graphics Pro card could be removed (since it will not help NeXTStep) to save a few hundred bucks. -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "Don't ever put your brain on a runaway train 'cause it won't be coming back!" - Mad At The World.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: Pentium Option (was: Cheap(er) 486's) Message-ID: <C7C0Jv.4JE@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <1993May20.134420.11575@bnr.ca> Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 15:33:30 GMT In article <1993May20.134420.11575@bnr.ca> Rob Parkhill <Rob.Parkhill@bnr.ca> writes: > So, I'm thumbing through the latest (June) issue of Byte (which has a > NEXTSTEP ad in it, by the way), and I run across the typical Gateway 2000 > ad. Well, it seems that they have dropped their prices yet again! Check > this (possibly NEXTSTEP compatible) system out: > > > 4DX2-66V [chomp] It my not be 'cheap', but how's this for a turbo replacement... ALR Model 340DW (41.5 "MIPS") $3,445.00 60MHz Pentium 8MB RAM (128MB max) 256k write-back cache 340MB IDE Drive 6 32bit ISA Slots 3 VESA VL local bus slots Six drive bays 200watt power supply Monitor and Card? $2,200.00 32MB RAM $1,200.00 NeXTSTEP/I (edu) $249.00 _____________________________________________ NEXTSTEP Turbo Killer System Price $7,094.00 Not bad for twice the CPU of a turbo. Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu (James Powell) Subject: Gateway EISA Message-ID: <1993May20.172038.2658@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Sender: usenet@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (News Administrator) Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 17:20:38 GMT Gateway EISA-66 PC and Nextstep - will it work? EISA 66MHz 486 DX2 16Mb RAM 500Mb hard drive ATI Ultra Pro EISA with 2Mb RAM other typical pc innards... Thanks. -- James Powell >>> Library Automation, University Libraries, VPI&SU >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic >>> Journals
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Subject: Re: Connecting 2 cubes via ethernet: Do I need "T" connectors? Message-ID: <1993May20.171717.14302@ohm.york.ac.uk> Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK References: <1t8usn$fnq@pith.uoregon.edu> <1t94iu$jt5@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 93 17:17:17 GMT In <1t94iu$jt5@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) writes: >In article <1t8usn$fnq@pith.uoregon.edu> adams@bright.uoregon.edu (Jeff >Adams) writes: >#I've had a cube for 3 years, and my roommate just bought a NeXTDimension. >Of >#course, we want to connect them now, and put one of the printers in the >closet. ># >#Everywhere I look, the manuals, instructions, etc., all say to put these >#"T" connectors in our ethernet sockets, and run the cables between them, >#capping the ones on the end. Is this really necessary, or can we simply >#connect the two sockets directly without the "T"s? (Am I making sense?) ># ># *T-----------T* ># __I_ __I_ >#| | | | >#| | | | >#------ ------ ># >#versus: ># ># ----------- ># __I_ __I_ >#| | | | >#| | | | >#------ ------ ># >#For the record, I have an '030 running NS 2.0, and he has a '040 ND with >#NS 2.1. ># >Number one is correct, with a slight modification: you need terminators to >prevent signal from bouncing between both ends of the cable... Thus the >"T's" (BNC connectors) are required for ethernet specifications. You need >to have each end of the segment terminated. Place a 50ohm terminator on one >end of each BNC connector and connected a data grade coax cable to the >unterminated ends of the T's. Then connect the T's to each NeXT. Just to make a couple of additions. Co-axial ethernet is a transmission line - that is the characteristic impedence of the cable matches that of the terminators. Basically this means that if you put a pulse in one end it travels to the other (terminated) end and is absorbed. No termination means that the pulse hits the other end and bounces back, giving a confusing return echo. The NeXT co-ax connector has *high* impedence, so that it can sneak onto the co-axial transmission line without upsetting the characteristic impedence of the overall line. Connecting 2 of these back to back will *not* work (reliably - you'd be amazed at what sort of things can work spoardically). If you had a later system with 10Base-T connectors, you can make a straight back to back connections with these - although it ain't recommended. Nigel. -- # Nigel Metheringham -- (NeXT) EMail: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk # # System Administrator, Electronics Dept, University of York # # York YO1 5DD. Phone: +44 904 432374, Fax: +44 904 432335 #
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Re: Cheap(er) 486's Message-ID: <1993May20.173857.22403@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass References: <1993May20.134420.11575@bnr.ca> Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 17:38:57 GMT Rob Parkhill <Rob.Parkhill@bnr.ca> writes [stuff] > set-up for under $4 000! Yay! Anyone know about Gateway's upgrades (to > SCSI and a better monitor)? I guess I'll have to call them at lunch :-) Add $745 for a Nanoa 550i 17" monitor, looks nice at 1024X800, don't know about 1280X1024. Add $1105 for a 1.2G HD Subtract $210 for the ROM drive, it isn't SCSI compatible. You should do what I am going to do about the ROM drive, borrow one. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Rob Parkhill <Rob.Parkhill@bnr.ca> Subject: Re: Cheap(er) 486's Message-ID: <1993May20.165157.16509@bnr.ca> Sender: news@bnr.ca (usenet) Organization: Northern Telecom References: <1993May20.134420.11575@bnr.ca> <1tg9quINN3g5@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 16:51:57 GMT In article <1tgaceINNnvh@news.u.washington.edu> David Basiji, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu writes: >>- 16MB RAM, 256K cache (!!) >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >make sure they give you one 16MB SIMM, rather than four 4MB SIMMS > Hmmm.. good plan! I wonder if they would charge more for that? I also see that the 256K cache is the maximum that it will take (oh well...) >>- 3.5" Floppy drive >>- CD-ROM Drive >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >not NS compatible right now (or ever, most likely) > >>- 340MB 13ms IDE Hard Drive >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >if you upgrade to their 500MB drive, you get SCSI for free Hmmm.. do you think that they might also be able to supply a SCSI CD-ROM since the system will have SCSI with the 500MB Hard Drive? That would be VERY nice! >>- Local Bus IDE Interface >>- Pentium Upgradable (for about $500, or so they say :-) >>- ATI Ultra Pro Video w/1MB VRAM on VL-Bus >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >1MB extra VRAM + RAMDAC upgrade == $90 > >>- 15" Colour CrystalScan 1572FS >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >DON'T get this monitor! The standard upgrade is a Nanao 17" for an extra $750. >BUT, if you order a headless system, they'll credit you some $400 so you >can buy a nice Sony Trinitron 17" for the same money (3rd party). You can get a Sony for $750? Or $750+$400? Either way... it's gotta be better than the CrystalScan :-) But who needs colour, right? Just go with a 21" Grayscale monitor :-) In article <1tg9quINN3g5@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> David J. Fischer, fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes: >The Gateway upgrade to a 500MB SCSI HD is $535. Moving to a 17" monitor will >cost another $400 or so (I think). >Does this setup really come with 16MB RAM? I have only seen it advertised with Yup. This is a new system they are advertising. The one with 8MB RAM is $500 less, but you also get a 14" monitor and a smaller cache. The 16MB RAM is what caught my eye! This still seems to be the same basic system that I have seen before. I was warned that only 2 or 3 of the slots can fit a full-size board and that the case doesn't fit together very well, but for this price, who cares? :-) >8MB. I also wonder if the ATI Ultra Graphics Pro card could be removed (since >it will not help NeXTStep) to save a few hundred bucks. I thought that the Card would help... could you please explain why I don't need it (is there built-in video such that I don't need the card? If so, do I need to add VRAM still?) If it doesn't help and I can get a $200 credit, all the better! And if the CD-ROM isn't compatible, there's another $200 off the top. Boy o boy, now if only I can find a supplier of the NeXT Icon Black paint..... Side note: It seems that the advertising folks at NeXT still spell it NeXTSTEP. In the Byte ad, the only time it is spelled NEXTSTEP is in the picture of the software box. Other than that.. it is still NeXTSTEP. <I am sooo confused> :-) later... Rob
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Why is NeXT screen performance better than Sun? Message-ID: <1993May16.185642.931@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X References: <1993May14.020812.29043@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 18:56:42 GMT In article <1993May14.020812.29043@leland.Stanford.EDU> magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) writes: > > Anyway, I guess you wanted a knowledgeable, calm answer... :-) Well, I'm not > sure I can provide that, but my educated guess would be that it is all in the > software; X is a large, ugly, old-fashioned buggy hack, and OpenWindows is an > enormous, hideous, old-fashioned buggy hack. True. IBM-RS6000/320's have about twice the processing power of 040-25-Next. They run X and Motif and have a much slower screen performance than NeXT. (well, not only that, compilations are slower too ...) But I'm not sure, if NeXTs competition is so much better with Intels junk-hardware .... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de C is a language that combines all the elegance and power of assembly language with all the readability and maintainability of assembly language
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Correction - GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT NEXTSTEP****************** Date: 20 May 1993 19:08:20 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tgkv4INNbqc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1tgk2mINNbfl@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <1tgk2mINNbfl@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: I made a couple of mistakes in my original posting that I caught. I am correcting them so no one gets mislead. >=============================================================================== >NeXTSTEP is a fully object oriented operating system that will become available >for Intel Processors on May 25. It was developed to run on NeXT computer >systems. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It was ORIGINALLY developed to run on NeXT computers. Now it runs on NeXT computers and Intel PC systems, with more hardware platforms being developed. [everything in middle is fine] >Developer Version: > >Everything above comes with this version, plus the following: This is not true. The developing tools are separate from the user version, and must be purchased separately (unless of course you get the educational version which includes user and developer). -Eric
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT NEXTSTEP************************ Date: 20 May 1993 18:53:10 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tgk2mINNbfl@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> This is some general information about NeXTSTEP for those new to it. I have a feeling the $249.00 educational pricing will spark a few new interests. -Eric Hermanson =============================================================================== NeXTSTEP is a fully object oriented operating system that will become available for Intel Processors on May 25. It was developed to run on NeXT computer systems. It is the brainchild of Steve Jobs, the co-founder of Apple Computer. Steve left Apple and started NeXT, Inc. NeXTSTEP 3.1 will be shipping May 25. It comes in two packages (sold separately) - User Version ($795 LIST price) and Developing Tools ($1995 list price). The educational version contains BOTH the user and developer packages and it costs $249! Interested parties can call 1-800-TRY-NeXT for product brochures or 1-800-848-NeXT for general information. =============================================================================== Some of NeXTSTEP's features: User Version: -Full Drag and Drop Object Orented Graphical User environment -Based upon a multiprocessing/multitaksing operating kernal called Mach -Built over Berkeley UNIX 4.3 BSD (but user environment is fully supported with a very intuitive and consistent graphical user interface -Uses Display Postscript Level II for true WYSIWYG thought the entire system -Full Novell, NFS, DOS, OS/2, Windows, and UNIX file system support -Supports multiple partitions on the hard drive enabling DOS/Windows/OS2 partitions on the same hard drive -Users can run DOS, Windows, and NeXTSTEP applications side by side, and cut and paste between them. Also, DOS/Windows apps become multitasking since NeXTSTEP is controlling the CPU. Users need a third party application called SoftPC from Insignia Solutions to run Windows/DOS apps. SoftPC will be bundled as part of NeXTSTEP 3.2, to be released in Sept. Incidentally, Insignia solutions is writing the Windows/DOS emulation for Microsoft's Windows NT, therefore NeXTSTEP users will enjoy the SAME level of Windows/DOS emulation that Windows NT users enjoy. -Object linking throughtout the system (allows workgroups to produce collaborative documents, with shared information that is updated in real time or when documents are saved). -There are commercial programs available for NeXTSTEP that allow X-Windows to be used, and there is even a package (called Executor from ARDI, Inc.) that runs certain Macintosh software programs like Excel and Word! System comes bundled with the following: -Pixar's PhotoRealistic and Interactive 3-D Renderman -Multimedia Mail (UNIX sendmail compatible. Can send graphics, text, sound video, rich text, and even files and folders. -FAX support in all applications through FAX option in the standard print panel -Networking support at the touch of a button with five programs bundled to help with networking, NetWare, NFS, User management, and host info. -PANTONE color matching system built into the NeXT color panel for those interested in graphic design -Digital Librarian system that allows users to organize their files into books, which are then automatically indexed by NeXTSTEP. ALso, all user documentation is on-line and can be accessed throught Digital Librarian -On-Line help system at the click of a mouse -Multi-language support, OS system language can be changed at the touch of a button -Websters Full 9th Edition Dictionary and Thesauraus on-line, even with pictures -Adobe Postscript fonts bundled with system Developer Version: Everything above comes with this version, plus the following: -C, C++, and objective C compiler, that can compile code containing any or all of the above types of code -Interface and Project Building Applications that have won industry acclaim -Database Kit (pre-written objects to make database programming easier) -Distributed Objects (NeXTSTEP objects can send messages to each other over networks. It doesn't matter if you are in Japan or California, you can work with objects on a network just as if they were on your own system). -3D Graphics Kit -Indexing Kit -Driver Kit that helps developers write drivers for third party hardware -Multi-architechture Binary support (write one piece of code, and you can cross compile it for all chips sets that NeXTSTEP runs on at once). NeXTSTEP currently runs on Motorola and Intel, with PowerPC coming next year. Hopefully we will hear soon if SuperSparc and PA-RISC will be supported! System Requirements: 16-bit color system: Intel 486(SX,SL,DX,DX/2) or 586 (Pentium) Processor 16 megs of memory, 120 meg HD (user version) or 330 meg HD (developer version) Hi Res Graphics card (such as ATI Graphjics Pro, C&T Wingine, etc ISA or EISA expansion bus IDE and SCSI drives supported Sound Card Optional 2-bit monochrome system: Intel 486(SX,SL,DX,DX/2) or 586 (Pentium) Processor 8 megs of memory, 120 meg HD (user version) or 330 meg HD (developer version) VESA compatible VGA or SVGA card ISA or EISA expansion IDE and SCSI drivees supported Sound Card Optional I called Gateway computer, and one can configure a color NeXTSTEP user system for under $3000 (486DX-33V 16megs ram/250 meg HD, color monitor, ATI Graphics Ultro Pro with 2MB Vram). The NeXTSTEP operating system also needs to be purchased for the above system. Again, I take no responsibility for typing errors, or wrong information. Intersted parties should call 1-800-TRY-NeXT to get the most up to date info.. If there is anything I have missed, please feel free to reply to this post. Later, Eric Hermanson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Re: Why not develop NS/Intel on old NeXT hardware? References: <NISHIMU.93May20142348@janis.macro.co.jp> Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 17:58:05 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993May20.175805.29339@tkymail.sps.mot.com> Tosh Nishimura writes In arti cle <1993May16.001608.21336@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: The good news is that 3.1 on Black Hardware looks like it's going to be a total speed demon, and a 25MHz slab with 16MB RAM now compares favorably with a 66MHz 486DX2 with "accelerated graphics" and twice as much memory. Does this mean that a Turbo with 32meg is going to scream like a 99mHz 486DX3? Or like a Pentium? Or even better, even faster, even cheaper (does anybody hear a partisan in the crowd?) does it hope to compare with the nearly divine _PowerPC_? You guys are going to love the NRW. It's gotta be insanely fast. --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. <-----NOT ONE OFFICIAL STATEMENT CROSSES MY LIPS!!! +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]th 32meg is going to scream like a 99mHz 486DX3? Or like a Pentium? Or even better, even faster, even cheaper (does anybody hear a partisan in the crowd?) does it hope to compare with the nearly divine _PowerPC_? You guys are going to love the NRW. It's gott
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <1tg4it$1hv@steffi.demon.co.uk> Control: cancel <1tg4it$1hv@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: 20 May 1993 16:21:44 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tg7m8$1qk@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1tg4it$1hv@steffi.demon.co.uk> <1tg4it$1hv@steffi.demon.co.uk> was cancelled from within trn. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The Expo Schedule timetabled??? Date: 20 May 1993 16:26:03 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tg7ub$1rc@steffi.demon.co.uk> cc: dpp@athena.com,andrew@stone.com Does anybody at this stage want to timeable to expo schedule? Currently Conrads schedule announcements are not in any logical order. Does somebody with pencil me in or a similar program want to do this? And post the eventual final postscript printout??? I think this would be of great use to the community. I've started one in a spreadsheet but its not really appropriate software for this. If somebody lends me the software I'll do it. Can this be done with a demo perhaps? I trust this will be available at the door on the day but I want to plan things earlier than that. Cheers. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> Subject: Re: Connecting 2 cubes via ethernet: Do I need "T" connectors? Message-ID: <1993May19.105107.921@proponent.com> Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Proponent References: <1t8usn$fnq@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 10:51:07 GMT In article <1t8usn$fnq@pith.uoregon.edu> adams@bright.uoregon.edu (Jeff Adams) writes: > Everywhere I look, the manuals, instructions, etc., all say to put these > "T" connectors in our ethernet sockets, and run the cables between them, > capping the ones on the end. Is this really necessary, or can we simply > connect the two sockets directly without the "T"s? (Am I making sense?) You need to use the "T" connectors and terminators. -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Expo Schedule partly completed require assistance Date: 20 May 1993 18:11:57 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tge4t$2ao@steffi.demon.co.uk> cc: cgeiger@next.com Here's my bit for NeXTWORLD Expo In an effort to plan my Expo trip properly I have completed the Developers Conference part of Conrad's post and fully timetabled each conference. Also, I have included some of the lighter activities as well. I would appreciate it if somebody will 1. Comment one how this is, ie. is it visible on a printer? 2. Complete the other parts User Conference User Group stuff. I can provide you with the spreadsheet file if you wish to do this. 3. Check the validity of this and get back to me. If this is done before Sunday I will post it out so everybody can have a copy. 4. If you have already done this properly (Conrad?) already then please post it to the world and NeXTMail it to me. Developers will want to take a look at this and notice the signicant overlaps and clashes there are. To the Expo people It would be great if you could publish what you have done on this before we arrive at Expo. There are a lot of clashes just in the Developer part alone that would be rather hectic to sort out once we are there. I've tried to ensure that this is accurate but you will need Conrads post at Expo. This is just to show you the extent of the clashes in the Developer Conference only. 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From: adams@bright.uoregon.edu (Jeff Adams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Changing the host's name Date: 20 May 1993 20:18:46 GMT Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, University of Oregon, Eugene OR 97403-1222 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tgp36$2t4@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <1tg7ub$1rc@steffi.demon.co.uk> In the process of connecting our two NeXTs via Ethernet, we managed to set up the network configuration server with the default name: "myhost", a rather stupid name to get stuck with. How can we change the name of this server without going back to square one? I've read warnings of potential dire consequences if I just edit things with NetInfoManager, so how do I do it? AtDhVaAnNkCsE Jeff -- __________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Adams, Grad Student adams@euclid.uoregon.edu Department of Mathematics University of Oregon (Eugene)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services,comp.sys.next.misc,alt.internet.wanted From: trance@world.std.com (Michael S Meacham) Subject: How to remap a UUCP service? Message-ID: <C7CFyx.CGK@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 21:06:31 GMT Hello! After a recent cessation of my UUCP account, I've found another system to provide UUCP service. How do I get my system remapped on the nameserver or whatever I need to do to get my mail, etc., to me? ANy suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: Missing power-up option Message-ID: <1993May20.215313.16754@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 21:53:13 GMT The documentation (page 193 of the User's Reference) says there should be an option in Preferences for automatic powerup after power off/failure. That option is not available on my NeXT-D either as mayself or root. My office NeXT-D does powerup, but this one at home doesn't and it is a real bind, especially as it's on the net. Last week it went to sleep after a power-outage during a thunderstorm and stayed off bouncing a ton of mail until I came back after a long weekend. Any tips on restoring the option? - barre -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Barre Ludvigsen borrel@dhhalden.no (office) Associate Professor borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (home) Ostfold Regional College (NeXTMail OK) Department of Computer Science bludvigs@ulrik.uio.no Os Alle 9 73277.3443@Compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <1993May20.185540.16776@microsoft.com> Date: 20 May 93 18:55:40 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corporation << Apologies if this is a repost; my newsfeed is having problems >> In article <REUVEN.93May17225243@vongole.mit.edu>, reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) | While we're on the subject of magazines, am I the only one whose last | issue of NeXTworld Extra was dated March 1993? | | Reuven I was concerned about my subscription to NeXTworld (and NeXTworld EXTRA) so I called the info number listed on the credits page of the last issue of NeXTworld to inquire about the fact that the March '93 issue of the Extra was the last issue I had received. I sent in the coupon for the once-a-month EXTRA subscription, and was fully expecting a copy of NW Extra to be arriving each month. I was greeted with two suprises during my call: 1) The person on the phone had *NO* info about EXTRA subscriptions, even though they handle all of the regular NeXTworld subscriptions. He couldn't even give me a number to call to find out how long my EXTRA subscription was scheduled to last! 2) *** NeXTworld EXTRA IS NO LONGER IN PRINT ***. This is apparently because of budgetting problems. I'm OK with not getting the EXTRA if its not in print, but it would have been nice to receive some sort of notice! According to the gent on the phone, Mar. '93 was the last issue that will be printed, and customers are apparently just being left to themselves to figure out why they don't receive them in the mail anymore. Very, very unprofessional, IMHO. -Jeff jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: Cheap(er) 486's (CACHE QUESTION) Message-ID: <1993May20.234646.18525@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 93 23:46:46 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1993May20.165157.16509@bnr.ca> In article <1993May20.165157.16509@bnr.ca> Rob Parkhill <Rob.Parkhill@bnr.ca> writes: > In article <1tgaceINNnvh@news.u.washington.edu> David Basiji, > basiji@stein.u.washington.edu writes: > >>- 16MB RAM, 256K cache (!!) > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >make sure they give you one 16MB SIMM, rather than four 4MB SIMMS > > > > Hmmm.. good plan! I wonder if they would charge more for that? > I also see that the 256K cache is the maximum that it will take (oh > well...) The size of a cache depends on the hardware, os, and software being used. A rep from a hardware (pc) company once told me that they had run tests and that 128K was the max useful size of a PC. I'm wondering if anyone can confirm or deny this. I don't believe for a second that just because they have 256K+ for sale that it does any good. Oh boy, oh boy, I love PCs... -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <1993May20.235121.18732@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 93 23:51:21 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1993May20.185540.16776@microsoft.com> > 2) *** NeXTworld EXTRA IS NO LONGER IN PRINT ***. This is apparently > because of budgetting problems. I'm OK with not getting the EXTRA > if its not in print, but it would have been nice to receive some > sort of notice! According to the gent on the phone, Mar. '93 was > the last issue that will be printed, and customers are apparently > just being left to themselves to figure out why they don't receive > them in the mail anymore. Very, very unprofessional, IMHO. First off just to allign our facts, when I called the number in the last issue of NeXTWORLD I got a new number. When I called that number I got a someone who said they had taken over handeling subscriptions for NeXTWORLD but had not gotten info into their computers yet. I'm hoping that this is the problem and that NeXTWORLD EXTRA has not gone out of print sseing as how I just re-subscribed to the tune of $19.95 at the end of March :( Looks like I may be giving my credit card co. a call. -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: Re: BBS for NeXT machines? Message-ID: <1993May20.195223.5872@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. References: <C7ByE3.CGn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 19:52:23 GMT In article <C7ByE3.CGn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Derek Kwan writes: > Is there any BBS for NeXT machines? > > Derek comp.sys.next.* -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) Subject: fun with TickleServices Message-ID: <mdixon.737952668@thelonius> Sender: news@parc.xerox.com Organization: Xerox PARC Date: 21 May 93 02:51:08 GMT here's a TickleService for snooping around: when invoked, it brings up a browser showing what types of data are on the pasteboard. if you select one, it pastes the data as plain ascii. this lets you copy rich text, eps images, application-specific types, or whatever, and then paste them as plain text into an edit window to see what they look like. .mike. ------------------------------------------------------------ "Menu Item" = "Paste..."; "Receive Type" = "NXAsciiPboardType"; "Tcl" = "\ pasteboard -hexcode write [pasteboard -hexcode -main read [lindex [listpanel \ -message \"Select type of data to paste\" \"Available Pasteboard Types\" \ [pasteboard -main types]] 0]]";
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: To get your Invitation To Stone & Barlow Bash.... Message-ID: <1993May21.025926.1633@stone.com> Keywords: new edge Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 02:59:26 GMT Since everything is running "so close to just in time it's painful", we didn't send mail out any invites. Stop by our booth (# 408) to get one to our party Wednesday night - Thursday dawn. Our way of saying thank you to all of you early adopters and net-friends! andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: Re: To get your Invitation To Stone & Barlow Bash.... Message-ID: <1993May21.031400.1993@stone.com> Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp References: <1993May21.025926.1633@stone.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 03:14:00 GMT In article <1993May21.025926.1633@stone.com> andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) writes: > Since everything is running "so close to just in time it's painful", we > didn't send mail out any invites. We also haven't bothered to sleep, either, so what I meant to say was: "We didn't mail out any invites, so no, we weren't snubbing you!" See you there! -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: lebay@mercury.cl.msu.edu (Jim LeBay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: dart bars in San Fransisco Date: 21 May 1993 06:13:48 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1thrus$epr@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> I will be in San Fransisco from May 22-28 for NeXTWorld Expo, and I would love to find a good dart bar somewhere, preferably in the Union Square area. Any suggestions? Anybody want to shoot a few games? ----- Jim LeBay (517) 353-1800 353-5364 (FAX) Computer Information Center lebay@msu.edu lebay@msu.bitnet Michigan State University lebay@mercury.cl.msu.edu (NeXTmail) ** Windows NT = New Terminology = Nitwit Technology = Windows NoT!!! **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Connecting 2 cubes via ethernet: Do I need "T" connectors? Message-ID: <C7D5pF.6JK@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1t8usn$fnq@pith.uoregon.edu> <1993May19.105107.921@proponent.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 06:22:26 GMT In article <1993May19.105107.921@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com> writes: [ ] > >You need to use the "T" connectors and terminators. I ran a "test" twisted pair wire between a Mac and a NeXT for quite a while with no ill effects. While it's not exactly up to standard it does work for connecting only 2 units. There was no need for a hub, "T connectors", etc... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tim@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Tim Pugh) Subject: Re: Connecting 2 cubes via ethernet: Do I need "T" connectors? Message-ID: <C7DtDo.6J6@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs References: <1t8usn$fnq@pith.uoregon.edu> <1993May19.105107.921@proponent.com> <C7D5pF.6JK@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 14:53:47 GMT philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >In article <1993May19.105107.921@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com> writes: >[ ] >> >>You need to use the "T" connectors and terminators. >I ran a "test" twisted pair wire between a Mac and a NeXT for quite a while >with no ill effects. While it's not exactly up to standard it does work >for connecting only 2 units. There was no need for a hub, "T connectors", >etc... >-- >Philip McDunnough >University of Toronto >philip@utstat.toronto.edu >[Where sheep may safely graze...] I have two questions related to the above: (1) Do the twisted pair have to be "crossed"; i.e. does a given data line connected to System A have to be connected to the opposite data connection on System B? (2) Is there a book or document available that discusses 10-BaseT System requirements, etc.? --Tim -- Tim Pugh |MicroCALL Services tim@aplcenmp.apl.JHU.EDU |8713 Briarcroft Lane |Laurel, MD 20708-1355 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTExpo schedule in Date/Time order (UUENCODE) Date: 21 May 1993 12:35:22 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tiepq$1jk@steffi.demon.co.uk> Cc: scott@nic.gac.edu,shiva@vega.stanford.edu The following is a schedule for NeXTEXPO. I have used RTF to emphasize the sessions which interest me. I have also indicated which sessions are repeated to that you may chop and choose. If you would like to use this for yourself then I suggest you run it thru /usr/bin/rtf-ascii, load it into Edit.app and then simply bold the sessions you plan to attend. Attendees will need a printout of Conrads post if they wish to organise things in advance. I would also recommend checking this list against any given to us at Expo for any session. I would hate to think I was responsible for you missing a session. Please inform me of any errors and I will correct them immediately. 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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: marshall@software.org (Eric Marshall) Subject: arcn doesn't work?!? Message-ID: <1993May21.150428.12096@software.org> Sender: usenet@software.org (Usenet News/Mail Support) Organization: Software Productivity Consortium, Herndon, Virginia Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 15:04:28 GMT Running on a 3.0 color Turbo, I type '50 50 50 0 360 arc stroke' into yap and it shows a circle and it takes 15 ms to draw. If I change the arc to arcn, nothing is drawn and it takes 0 ms. What's up? Thanks in advance. Eric Marshall Software Productivity Consortium SPC Building 2214 Rock Hill Road Herndon, VA 22070 (703) 742-7153 marshall@software.org
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Missing power-up option Date: 21 May 1993 15:46:34 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1titgq$4ib@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993May20.215313.16754@dhhalden.no> In article <1993May20.215313.16754@dhhalden.no> borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) writes: #The documentation (page 193 of the User's Reference) #says there should be an option in Preferences for #automatic powerup after power off/failure. That option #is not available on my NeXT-D either as mayself or root. My #office NeXT-D does powerup, but this one at home doesn't #and it is a real bind, especially as it's on the net. Last #week it went to sleep after a power-outage during a #thunderstorm and stayed off bouncing a ton of mail until I #came back after a long weekend. # That option is only available on "recent" NeXT systems. This is because the newer designs have additional circuitry to allow automatica boot when power is sensed, and to boot at a user-defined time... # Barre Ludvigsen borrel@dhhalden.no (office) # Associate Professor borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (home) # Ostfold Regional College (NeXTMail OK) # Department of Computer Science bludvigs@ulrik.uio.no # Os Alle 9 73277.3443@Compuserve.com -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <1993May21.142431.3810@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <1993May20.235121.18732@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 14:24:31 GMT In article <1993May20.235121.18732@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) writes: > > 2) *** NeXTworld EXTRA IS NO LONGER IN PRINT ***. This is apparently > > because of budgetting problems. I'm OK with not getting the EXTRA > > if its not in print, but it would have been nice to receive some > > sort of notice! According to the gent on the phone, Mar. '93 was > > the last issue that will be printed, and customers are apparently > > just being left to themselves to figure out why they don't receive > > them in the mail anymore. Very, very unprofessional, IMHO. > > First off just to allign our facts, when I called the number in the last > issue of NeXTWORLD I got a new number. When I called that number I got > a someone who said they had taken over handeling subscriptions for > NeXTWORLD but had not gotten info into their computers yet. > > I'm hoping that this is the problem and that NeXTWORLD EXTRA has not > gone out of print sseing as how I just re-subscribed to the tune of > $19.95 at the end of March :( It is my understanding that as of the issue that will be distributed at the Expo, NeXTWorld intends to switch permanently to an every-other-month publishing schedule, instead of quarterly. The original reason for the Extras was that 3 months was an awfully long time to wait for news and reviews in a fast-moving business. With regular issues being published more frequently, Extra becomes less necessary. Personally, I think 6 full-size issues instead of 4 full-size issues plus 8 eight-page issues is a pretty fair tradeoff. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History, despite its wrenching pain, Commander-in-Chief | Cannot be unlived, but if faced Anderson Financial Systems | With courage, need not be lived again." greg@afs.com (Nextmail OK) | -- Maya Angelou, "On the Pulse of Morning"
From: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Cheap(er) 486's Date: 21 May 1993 16:10:29 GMT Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1tiutlINNa1b@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993May20.165157.16509@bnr.ca> In article <1993May20.165157.16509@bnr.ca> Rob Parkhill <Rob.Parkhill@bnr.ca> writes: > In article <1tg9quINN3g5@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> David J. Fischer, > fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes: > >8MB. I also wonder if the ATI Ultra Graphics Pro card could be removed > (since it will not help NeXTStep) to save a few hundred bucks. > > I thought that the Card would help... could you please explain why I > don't need it (is there built-in video such that I don't need the card? > If so, do I need to add VRAM still?) If it doesn't help and I can get a > $200 credit, all the better! > Rob Oops. I am wrong. The Graphics Card is useful and needed. The 2MB VRAM is needed for 16bit color graphics at 1024x768. (according to Pre-release specifications). I apologize for the confusion. -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "Don't ever put your brain on a runaway train 'cause it won't be coming back!" - Mad At The World.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <1993May21.161952.804@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <1993May20.185540.16776@microsoft.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 16:19:52 GMT In article <1993May20.185540.16776@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: | 2) *** NeXTworld EXTRA IS NO LONGER IN PRINT ***. This is apparently | because of budgetting problems. I'm OK with not getting the EXTRA | if its not in print, but it would have been nice to receive some | sort of notice! According to the gent on the phone, Mar. '93 was | the last issue that will be printed, and customers are apparently | just being left to themselves to figure out why they don't receive | them in the mail anymore. Very, very unprofessional, IMHO. Considering how expensive it was, and how little went into it, I find it amazing that they went under for "budgeting" reasons. -- Jonathan Hendry Anderson Financial Systems jon@afs.com (Nextmail Welcome!) or tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu I see an Epson and I want to paint it black...
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: More fun with TickleServices Message-ID: <15199@news.duke.edu> Date: 21 May 93 17:11:36 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Here's a TickleServices service to uudecode uuencoded mail. It will ask where you want to save the decoded file and then automatically open an Edit window containing the decoded file. Enjoy! Denise ----------------- Add the following to /LocalLibrary/Mail.ts ------------------ # Uudecode the selection. # Have uudecode put the file in /tmp, then move it to where user wants. # This TickleServices service was written by Denise Blakeley 5/20/93. set filename [exec awk {$1=="begin" {print $3}} << [pasteboard read]] set currpath [pwd] cd /tmp if {[file exists $filename]} { exec rm -f $filename } if {[catch {exec uudecode << [pasteboard read]}]} { # User probably did not include the "begin" and "end" in selection alertpanel {Uudecode} "Unable to uudecode selection" cd $currpath } else { cd $currpath set newfile [savepanel -directory $currpath -file $filename -return] exec mv /tmp/$filename $newfile alertpanel {Uudecode} "Saved in $newfile" exec /usr/bin/open $newfile } -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
From: zonker+@CMU.EDU (Jeremy G. Mereness) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FAT binaries & NS3.0 Message-ID: <EfzEeJq00iMFARl18X@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 21 May 93 17:00:05 GMT Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA For those of us who have not upgraded to 3.1, can we still make use of applications submitted as Fat Binaries? What has to be done? Thanks! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |Jeremy Mereness | Support | Ye Olde Disclaimer: | |zonker+@cmu.edu (internet) | Free | The above represent my| | FAST Project, CMU-GSIA | Software| opinions, alone. | |B.S. Mechanical Engineering, CMU| | Ya Gotta Love It. | | Every Silver Lining's Got a Touch of Grey | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This year marks the 200th anniversary of the Bill of Rights
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <1993May21.175940.6728@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1993May20.235121.18732@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> <1993May21.142431.3810@afs.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 93 17:59:40 GMT In article <1993May21.142431.3810@afs.com> greg@afs.com writes: >In article <1993May20.235121.18732@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> >mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) writes: >> >> I'm hoping that this is the problem and that NeXTWORLD EXTRA has not >> gone out of print sseing as how I just re-subscribed to the tune of >> $19.95 at the end of March :( > >It is my understanding that as of the issue that will be distributed at >the Expo, NeXTWorld intends to switch permanently to an every-other-month >publishing schedule, instead of quarterly. The original reason for the >Extras was that 3 months was an awfully long time to wait for news and >reviews in a fast-moving business. With regular issues being published >more frequently, Extra becomes less necessary. > >Personally, I think 6 full-size issues instead of 4 full-size issues plus >8 eight-page issues is a pretty fair tradeoff. NeXTWorld promised a bimonthly distribution several months ago. The Feb/Mar and Apr/May issues have already been published. The Expo has nothing to do with this. I recently paid for bimonthly distribution, period. And it is not a fair trade for those that paid extra (above and beyond the normal subscription fee) for the Extra. Good thing I didn't send my money. I don't send NeXTWorld anything until they send me the first issue of what they've promised. I think they've been very unprofessional overall -- and I only believe what they say when I see it. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: 3.1: What's in it for you (and what's not) Message-ID: <C7E2wA.5C0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993May20.104503.23153@csus.edu> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 18:19:22 GMT In article <1993May20.104503.23153@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > *** > * N.B. If you think you have no other reason to upgrade, note > * that 3.1 contains MAJOR security bugfixes that affect all > * customers with networked systems. NeXT doesn't like to talk > * about this, much less document it. [Kudos to the guys at CERT] > *** Somebody please tell me if this refers to bug #40309 reported by us to NeXT and CERT. NeXT hasn't answered my mail about this, and I'd really like to know! ab
From: kimman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kim Richard Man) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Phone Number Date: 21 May 1993 19:21:17 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tja3d$1pd@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Does anybody know the phone number of NeXT company that I can call for NeXTStep upgrade and registration. Thanks in advance.... Richie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beatty+@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU (Derek Beatty) Subject: NeXTSTEP/FIP on AMD 486's? Message-ID: <C7E26y.I9q.1@cs.cmu.edu> Originator: beatty@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 18:04:08 GMT The price of 486's should drop soon, since AMD will soon be shipping their chip. Their 486 is based on Intel's logic design (converted to full-static), and their first shipments will use Intel's microcode (AMD is optimistic, since Judge Ingram threw out the jury's microcode decision on the 287 case). This ought to lower the cost of entry a couple of hundred bucks, but can anyone think of a reason why NeXTSTEP/FIP [sic] wouldn't be likely to run on an AMD-based machine? -- Derek_Beatty@cmu.edu ABD Comp Sci, CMU, 5000 Forbes, Pgh, PA 15213 USA (412) 268-7898 fax: (412) 621-5473 home: (412) 521-3482 [<11pm please]
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What source/version control software is available? Message-ID: <15220@news.duke.edu> Date: 21 May 93 19:27:54 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer On NeXTSTEP development projects involving more than a couple of people, coordination of changes gets to be a headache. What source/version control software is everyone using? I know of RCS, SCCS, and GNU CVS, but have heard mixed opinions about all of them. I'd appreciate any advice on what to use. We need _something_ before we get burned, but we don't want to spend a lot of time managing the source manager, either! Maybe somebody is writing a NeXT app that will not only revolutionize source control but handle nibs as easily as headers?!? Thanks-- Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: standefe@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (STANDEFER GLENN MICH) Subject: ---> Novice needs help... Message-ID: <standefe.738009678@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 18:41:18 GMT I am doing sys adm with a group of IBM RS/6000 boxes, and we just picked up a NeXT. I attempted to make the NeXT into an NIS client to the IBM master server. I followed the following steps: 1: I edited /etc/passwd & /etc/group to end with a "+:" 2: I started up "SimpleNetworkStarter" and clicked "Other Options". 3: I entered the NIS domain name used by our NIS system. 4: I clicked OK and configure. A day later, the machine hung when I tried to login as root. I tried to reboot, but after some configuration, I get the message: No responce from network configuration server Hit ctrl-C to start up computer without a network connection. I hit ctrl-C, and I start getting network errors, starting with the machine deciding to reset its hostname to "localhost". It then enters an apparently infinite loop with the message: yp: server not responding for domain <our domain name>; still trying... over and over. Help!!! I know next to nothing about this machine. Can anyone suggest anything? Thanks... glenn standefer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: aoki@madonna (Ken-ichiro Aoki) Subject: Re: Typing pathnames in Workspace Browser? Message-ID: <1993May21.111129.10580@mic.ucla.edu> References: <1te205INN7d@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: 21 May 93 11:11:28 PDT annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) writes: ..... [in regards to the Workspace finder..] : Just type a filename and it will automagically get entered into the Find panel : (which by the way also comes up when it wasn't there), the nice thing is: : globbing works too in that panel! You'll see all possible completions and then : you can either type on or click the appropriate entry... (This is under 3.0) : Try it! :-)) I use the Workspace finder also. One important feature; filename completion. I have a problem. The filename completion char is *ESC* and *TAB* does NOT work. Is there a way to customize it such that tab also works? If not, I wish NeXT will support TAB's also for it since most shells seem to use that as the completion char. I realize that you can have tabs in filenames, but I have yet to encounter one. (spaces I have seen, tabs no.) In the rare case this might cause confusion, one could always leave the ESC key also as the filename completion char and/or escape char to interpret chars literally. : I'm so happy with my NeXT every day I use it (<- free advertisment for NeXT!) I guess I will have to leave this line in 8->. -- ___Kenichiro Aoki (aoki@physics.ucla.edu) Physics Dept,UCLA,Ca,USA. (Please note that the From: field might be screwed up if you are replying.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Subject: Re: arcn doesn't work?!? Message-ID: <1993May21.214147.11189@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <1993May21.150428.12096@software.org> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 21:41:47 GMT Eric Marshall writes > Running on a 3.0 color Turbo, I type '50 50 50 0 360 arc stroke' > into yap and it shows a circle and it takes 15 ms to draw. If I change > the arc to arcn, nothing is drawn and it takes 0 ms. What's up? > > Thanks in advance. Try "50 50 50 360 0 arcn stroke". "arcn" draws in the negative direction so if you type "x y r ang1 ang2 arcn", then you need ang1 > ang2. Isn't PostScript fun! --Glenn By the way, here is a really neat postscript rendition of a FAT binary tree I wrote (It's encapsulated postscript.) The last line controls the offset and depth of the tree: "xoffset yoffset depth fbtree". Try different depths (no larger than 6!) %!PS-Adobe 1.0 %%Pages: 0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 612 320 %%EndComments %%EndProlog /inch {72 mul} def /xstep 6 def /topowerof2{ 1 exch 3 1 3 2 roll{ pop 2 mul }for }def /centeredbox{ 2 div /dx exch def 2 div /dy exch def gsave translate dx dy moveto dx dy -1 mul lineto dx -1 mul dy -1 mul lineto dx -1 mul dy lineto closepath gsave 1 setgray fill grestore 2 setlinewidth stroke grestore }def /nbox { /nboxn exch def %read parameters off stack /topya exch def /topxa exch def topxa topya nboxn topowerof2 xstep mul nboxn 1 add topowerof2 xstep mul centeredbox nboxn %results onto stack } def /fbjoin { /fbjoinn exch def /topyb exch def /topxb exch def /topya exch def /topxa exch def /offset fbjoinn 1 add topowerof2 xstep mul 2 div def /scale fbjoinn 1 add topowerof2 1 add xstep mul def 1 1 fbjoinn 1 add topowerof2{ /i exch def /radius i 1 sub xstep mul def i .5 sub /thisshift exch xstep mul offset sub def topxa thisshift sub topya moveto topxa thisshift sub topya scale add thisshift add dup topxb thisshift sub exch radius arcto 4{pop}repeat topxb thisshift add topyb scale add thisshift add topxb thisshift add topyb radius arcto 4{pop}repeat topxb thisshift add topyb lineto stroke }for topxa topxb add 2 div topya scale add topxa topya topxb topyb fbjoinn } def /fbtree{ dup 0 gt{ 1 sub fbtree fbtree 3 1 roll 7 2 roll 1 add % dup 5 1 roll fbjoin nbox nbox 5 -2 roll 3 -1 roll }{ /n exch def 2 copy exch 3 xstep mul add exch n }ifelse }def %0 11 inch translate -90 rotate 30 30 5 fbtree
From: jamie@[128.127.2.119] (Jamie O'Keefe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 18:03:49 Organization: FTP Software, North Andover, Massachusetts Message-ID: <930521180349@pericles.ftp.com> References: <MS-C.737955787.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> NNTP-Software: PC/TCP NNTP In article <MS-C.737955787.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes: When NeXT killed black hardware they also pulled their financial support for NeXTworld. Reportedly, the people at NeXTworld were *pissed*. The last rumor I heard was the NeXT had not cut off funding to NeXTworld. To do so would have broken their legal contract with NeXTworld. Instead of worrying about NeXTworld EXTRA, worry about whether or not there will be additional issues of NeXTworld. Do they have enough funding to keep it going? The are owned by a big publisher, no? We shall see... jamie -- Jamie O'Keefe FTP Software, Inc. Technical Support Phone: 01-508-685-3600 Fax: 01-508-794-4484 Email: jamie@ftp.com Log, log, log, its big, its heavy, its wood. log, log, log, its better than bad, its good! -- Ad in Ren & Stimpy
From: tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP/FIP on AMD 486's? Message-ID: <ZR2w4B1w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 93 16:07:58 CDT References: <C7E26y.I9q.1@cs.cmu.edu> Organization: TCS Consulting Services beatty+@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU (Derek Beatty) writes: > The price of 486's should drop soon, since AMD will soon be shipping > their chip. Their 486 is based on Intel's logic design (converted to > full-static), and their first shipments will use Intel's microcode > (AMD is optimistic, since Judge Ingram threw out the jury's microcode > decision on the 287 case). > > This ought to lower the cost of entry a couple of hundred bucks, but > can anyone think of a reason why NeXTSTEP/FIP [sic] wouldn't be likely > to run on an AMD-based machine? It would obviously be based on how much they used Intel's microcode.. When OS/2 2.0 came out a lot of AMD 386 systems seemed to be more stable that Intel 386. I know I had almost NO problems with 2.0 and I have an AMD 386-33. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS Systems: TCS-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
From: begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Date: 22 May 1993 02:33:33 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Message-ID: <1tk3dtINNrhe@news.u.washington.edu> References: <1993May20.235121.18732@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> <1993May21.142431.3810@afs.com> In article <1993May21.142431.3810@afs.com> greg@afs.com writes: >It is my understanding that as of the issue that will be distributed at >the Expo, NeXTWorld intends to switch permanently to an every-other-month >publishing schedule, instead of quarterly. The original reason for the >Extras was that 3 months was an awfully long time to wait for news and >reviews in a fast-moving business. With regular issues being published >more frequently, Extra becomes less necessary. > >Personally, I think 6 full-size issues instead of 4 full-size issues plus >8 eight-page issues is a pretty fair tradeoff. > According to my copy of NeXTWORLD that I picked up yesterday at the newstand (I really should subscribe, I buy all the issues) they will be going montly as of the August issue. Also, NeXTWORLD Extra subscribers will have their subscription adjusted accordingly. NeXTWORLD Extra will once again be published within the magazine. I don't have the magazine with me right now so this is from memory. Also, there were lots of 486 hardware ads. -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ``Another one of the flock following the herd.'' Abstract Software, publishers of WSI-Fonts Professional for NeXTSTEP e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) Subject: Is this 19" or 21"? (no, there isn't a punchline!) Message-ID: <1993May22.022100.12697@selway.umt.edu> Organization: University of Montana Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 02:21:00 GMT I'm one of the dinosaurs that's perfectly content with his black hardware and amazed at how stupid people can be, to let NeXT get out of the hardware business....I do have one question though. I measured my color monitor diagonally, and I recorded the following figures: 1) The active part of the screen is 18.75"; 2) From corner to corner of the glass is 20.25"; 3) Probably from corner to corner of the glass tube (including behind the black plastic) is about 21". I paid for a 21" monitor and just want to make sure there wasn't a screw-up. So do 21" monitors have 19" active areas? Thanks in advance for the info. Rich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: fun with TickleServices Message-ID: <SCOTT.93May21223836@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 21 May 93 22:38:36 References: <mdixon.737952668@thelonius> Organization: Is a sign of weakness In-reply-to: mdixon@parc.xerox.com's message of 21 May 93 02:51:08 GMT In article <mdixon.737952668@thelonius>, mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) writes: >"Menu Item" = "Paste..."; >"Receive Type" = "NXAsciiPboardType"; >"Tcl" = "\ >pasteboard -hexcode write [pasteboard -hexcode -main read [lindex [listpanel \ >-message \"Select type of data to paste\" \"Available Pasteboard Types\" \ >[pasteboard -main types]] 0]]"; Some probably think this is overly confusing, no? Sorry. Where this output comes from is if you select a service in the browser on the .ts window, and then do Copy or Cut. It is put on the pasteboard as both NXAsciiPboardType and "Tickle Service Pasteboard Type". "Tickle Service Pasteboard Type" is used by TickleServices to realize that there's a service (or services) in there that it can paste in as a whole. Since there is some abiguity, I never quite got around to getting a good handle on this. So, you can't just Copy the service data Mike posted and Paste it into TickleServices. Instead you have to read stuff and enter it in manually. Sorry. Instead, how about: "Menu Item" = "Tickle Services/Convert to Service"; "Send Type" = "NXAsciiPboardType"; "Tcl" = "\ # Snarf the selection and put it on the main pasteboard as a # TickleServices service. pasteboard -main write [pasteboard read] $NXAsciiPboardType \"Tickle Service Pasteboard Type\" "; This takes NXAsciiPboardType input, and writes it to the main pasteboard in a form such that it can later be Paste'd into TickleServices as a service, including the key equivalent and title and everything. Much easier. It pretty much requires that you select exactly the services information, though whitespace before and after is ignored. A future release of TickleServices should have more intuitive abilities in this area. Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Why not develop NS/Intel on old NeXT hardware? Message-ID: <SCOTT.93May21224044@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 21 May 93 22:40:44 References: <NISHIMU.93May20142348@janis.macro.co.jp> Organization: Is a sign of weakness <1993May20.175805.29339@tkymail.sps.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.gac.edu In-reply-to: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com's message of Thu, 20 May 1993 17:58:05 GMT In article <NISHIMU.93May20142348@janis.macro.co.jp>, mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) writes: >In article <1993May16.001608.21336@csus.edu> > eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > The good news is that 3.1 on Black Hardware looks like it's > going to be a total speed demon, and a 25MHz slab with 16MB > RAM now compares favorably with a 66MHz 486DX2 with "accelerated > graphics" and twice as much memory. > >Does this mean that a Turbo with 32meg is going to scream like a >99mHz 486DX3? Or like a Pentium? But, but, but, but, those are _PCs_. Have any of the people talking about the speed of the billion 486DX16, and the Pentium actually _seen_ NS/FIP? On the PCs I've seen it on, it was _not_ CPU-limited. Unless I'm totally off my rocker, the main limitation was the amount of memory and the disk subsystem. The amount of memory caused swapping, and the disk subsystem made swapping very slow. Unless you're heavily into running programs that execute in the cache, with no I/O, this means that many of these machines will _not_ be that awesome. As supercomputer people know, fast CPUs require huge volumes of input and output. A 33Mhz '486 will probably be too much power for 16M of ram, and is certainly going to be way ahead of 16bit disk controllers. I shudder to think of the people who will be running Pentium with 16M of ram and IDE disk subsystems. Long ago, at a user's group meeting far far away, we discussed the near-mythical NRW machine. In those days, 88k was the apple of Motorola's (and Apple's) eye. The discussion centered around speed ... but, having recently upgraded to 32M on my machine, I had contrary wisdom. "Buy memory", I said. "Add all of the memory you can afford", I cried. "Four times the processor speed waiting on memory is just about the same thing as burning your dollars to light cigarettes", I screamed. And it still holds. A PC needs even _more_ memory than an apparently equivalent NeXT. This is partially due to '486 being less space efficient (I've found executables to be %15-%20 bigger under '486 - that's '486 only, _not_ fat, and the NS/FIP executables didn't contain the .nibs or .tiffs, while the NS2.1 ones did). But, also it's due to the fact that the NeXT was designed as a unit, whereas PCs are designed as separate subsystems with a limited bus between them. NeXT components support each other, PC components are on their own. This isn't to say there's no hope - it's just that you must buy some overkill and hope that so long as each component is too fast, everything together will be fast enough. This is exactly how Windows/DOS users put together their systems, after all. Anyhow, spend the extra $500 to purchase another 16M of memory, rather than getting a faster CPU. It'll likely be worth it. >Or even better, even faster, even cheaper (does anybody hear a >partisan in the crowd?) does it hope to compare with the nearly >divine _PowerPC_? > >You guys are going to love the NRW. It's gotta be insanely fast. But I note that you use "gotta be", which implies that you've not seen it. The first solid date I heard for NRW with SMP was Q1 1992, I heard that in Q3 1990. NRW is a myth until it becomes reality, and with the NeXT Hardware Deannouncement, the myth seems even fuzzier. Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org(Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <1993May21.125756.2519@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993May20.185540.16776@microsoft.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 12:57:56 GMT In article <1993May20.185540.16776@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: Bla, bla, bla (Stuff about NeXTWorld Extra) Wait a minute. Extra is in the new NeXTWorld! I got it last tuesday (May 18th) at the magazine store where I work. Am I the only one to have received it?!? Is the distributor fucked up or something? Let me know Ciao Nicolas Dore Montreal, Quebec P.S. If I _am_ the only one, don't make a big deal about it: there isn't much in it, apart from the usual reviews and stuff (i.e. no big announcements that would have demanded holding on 'till May 25th).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org(Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <1993May21.130406.2664@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993May21.125756.2519@imani.cam.org> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 13:04:06 GMT (Sorry to followup on my own post, but...) BTW In february, I was told by someone at the magazine that the Extra was out, and _my_ credit was not charged for it. If yours was, call the credit card co or something Ciao again Nicolas Dore
From: harit@kripalu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Gateway EISA Message-ID: <1993May21.110351.366@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Date: 21 May 93 11:03:51 GMT Article-I.D.: uunet!cb.1993May21.110351.366 References: <1993May20.172038.2658@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center In article <1993May20.172038.2658@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu (James Powell) writes: > Gateway EISA-66 PC and Nextstep - will it work? > > EISA 66MHz 486 DX2 > 16Mb RAM > 500Mb hard drive > ATI Ultra Pro EISA with 2Mb RAM > other typical pc innards... > > Thanks. > > -- > James Powell >>> Library Automation, University Libraries, VPI&SU > >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU > >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here > >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic > >>> Journals You want VLB for video. EISA video is not acceptable for performance reasons. It might work but you would regret it. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc From: borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: PCNFSD v2 MAC 7.1 <>NeXT 3.0 available Message-ID: <1993May22.140044.25614@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 14:00:44 GMT An adaptation of PCNFSD v2 for NeXT Step 3.0 is available in /diverse/pub/next at ftp.dhhalden.no. (This works with Intercon's NFS/Share for the Mac.) - Barre Ludvigsen <borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no> -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Barre Ludvigsen borrel@dhhalden.no (office) Associate Professor borrel@ludvigsen.dhhalden.no (home) Ostfold Regional College (NeXTMail OK) Department of Computer Science bludvigs@ulrik.uio.no Os Alle 9 73277.3443@Compuserve.com
From: wilson@mimsy.umd.edu (Anne Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Follow up: Scrollback buff in Terminal floods, machine crashes Message-ID: <67850@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 22 May 93 15:40:31 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Many thanks to those who responded to my posting of two weeks ago about the scrollback buffer in the Terminal app filling up and crashing the machine. Here's the scoop: (1) The size of the scrollback buffer can be set in 3.0 but not 2.0. (2) There is some shareware available for about $40 called Stuart.app, available at one of the archive sites, in which you can set the size of the scrollback buffer. Several people mentioned they like this better than Terminal (I haven't tried this yet.) Thanks again! Anne
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 11:31:24 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93142.113124U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT mentioned in NT article Sorry if this info has already been posted, but this week's (May 31) Business Week includes an article about "Big-Game Hunter Bill Gates" and the release of NT. Some interesting points: As a caption for the typical geeky picture of big Bill: "Proud papa: Microsoft's NT looks like a born frontrunner." They mention the two versions of NT that will be shipped: The Desktop Edition ($495 - $295 for current users of Windows or OS/2) The Advanced Server Edition ($2995 - $1495 for the first 6 months) The current requirements are listed as 12Mb of RAM and 75Mb of disk space. Anyway, to the good part - they actually listed NEXTSTEP as a competitor (along with OS/2, UNIX, and Solaris). Here's the small bit of text that they allotted to NeXT: "Meanwhile, Steve Jobs is recasting NeXT Computer Inc. as an operating-systems supplier for many types of computers. On May 25, NeXT will introduce an Intel- compatible version of its NextStep [sic] software, which has become a favorite of advanced programmers." The article also included a table entitled "The Race In Advanced Operating Systems" which listed copies installed, chips, number of applications, and key suppliers associated with each OS. NT OS/2 UNIX Solaris NEXTSTEP Key Supplier Microsoft IBM Novell/USL Sun NeXT Copies Inst. 80,000B 2mill 24mill 800,000 50,000 Chips Intel/Alpha Intel [lots] Intel/Sparc Intel/Moto # of Apps. 1,000 1,200 18,000 7,500 620 They go on to say that NT is not a shoe-in because of the competition. -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Cheap(er) 486's Message-ID: <1993May21.180457.11138@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1tg9quINN3g5@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 18:04:57 GMT In article <1tg9quINN3g5@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: > I also wonder if the ATI Ultra Graphics Pro card could be removed (since > it will not help NeXTStep) to save a few hundred bucks. The ATI Ultra Graphics Pro card will help NEXTSTEP. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: chseow@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Choong Huei Seow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: grayscale support in Nextstep 486 Date: 22 May 1993 16:40:31 GMT Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1tll1vINNn6c@life.ai.mit.edu> Does anyone have a list of VESA compatible cards which can run NeXTstep 486 in high resolution grayscale of 800X600 or higher. I have a Diamond Stealth VRAM graphics card (VESA compatible, ISA bus) on my Intel system. NeXT says that most VESA-compatible cards will be support this mode, but leaves out specifics on the names of such cards. thanks, Choong Huei Seow chseow@ai.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Anderson Financial at NeXTWorld Expo Message-ID: <1993May22.172004.4995@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 17:20:04 GMT Contrary to information that has been posted by Conrad and NeXTWorld Expo organizers, Anderson Financial Systems does not have a booth at the show. That doesn't mean I won't be there. If you're going to the Expo and would like to meet me in person (perhaps pick up a signed copy of the case study 8^)), I'll be a guest in NeXT's booth for the entire show. I look forward to finally meeting many of my net.friends and correspondents. Please drop by and introduce yourself. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History, despite its wrenching pain, Commander-in-Chief | Cannot be unlived, but if faced Anderson Financial Systems | With courage, need not be lived again." greg@afs.com (Nextmail OK) | -- Maya Angelou, "On the Pulse of Morning"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlc@cx5.com Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no longer in print Message-ID: <1993May22.182752.11987@cx5.com> Sender: tlc@cx5.com Organization: CX5 (San Francisco) References: <1993May21.130406.2664@imani.cam.org> Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 18:27:52 GMT NeXTworld mag made me pay for another year's subscription (I think my subscription runs now until 1995 or something; a long time) in order to get the NeXTworld Extra. Never did recieve a copy. A confusing mess, they seem to have with subscriptions. I've had it stopped, for unexplained reasons, even though as mentioned I'm subscribed for several years hence. However I do read the issues cover to cover, motivated, I guess, by the same fanaticism that makes me read all the c.s.n groups, except c.s.n.bugs (shades of blind obedience? yikes! I'd better watch myself...) NeXTworld, in my opinion, is pretty much going downhill in content and design; becoming more and more undistinguishable from trade mags of its ilk. But what alternative do we, this captivated audience, have? None. But what the hell. At least there is a mag from a reputable publisher, and one from the same group that contributes to the realization of another huge event of import to the NeXT community: NeXTworld Expo. Thierry Castro
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP/FIP on AMD 486's? Message-ID: <1993May22.200944.3290@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <ZR2w4B1w165w@tcscs.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 22 May 93 20:09:44 GMT In article <ZR2w4B1w165w@tcscs.com> tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes: >>beatty+@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU (Derek Beatty) writes: >> >>> The price of 486's should drop soon, since AMD will soon be shipping >>> their chip. Their 486 is based on Intel's logic design (converted to >>> full-static), and their first shipments will use Intel's microcode >>> (AMD is optimistic, since Judge Ingram threw out the jury's microcode >>> decision on the 287 case). >>> >>> This ought to lower the cost of entry a couple of hundred bucks, but >>> can anyone think of a reason why NeXTSTEP/FIP [sic] wouldn't be likely >>> to run on an AMD-based machine? >> >>It would obviously be based on how much they used Intel's microcode.. >> >>When OS/2 2.0 came out a lot of AMD 386 systems seemed to be more stable >>that Intel 386. I know I had almost NO problems with 2.0 and I have an >>AMD 386-33. OK, here's the story on the 486. Intel's microcode is in the current shipping Am486 in both the main integer unit and the coprocessor. The version what will ship in June will have AMD microcode in the coprocessor. The main integer unit will still have Intel microcode. AMD won that battle with the 386. Disclamer: I don't speak for AMD - this is just the story I'm getting here. (Personally though I'm more excited about the PowerPC and PA-RISC ports. A 486 of any kind is a dog next to these chips. Cool thing is - AMD is working with HP (mostly on process technology) on their next version of the PA-RISC. We'll be making 'em here in Austin :-) ) -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail is more fun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: forgotten hardware password Message-ID: <C7F44H.1o4@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1teajlINNau1@aludra.usc.edu> Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 07:43:28 GMT In article <1teajlINNau1@aludra.usc.edu> bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal) writes: #Could someone please tell me how, or where I should look, to overcome #the problem of a lost hardware (Prom) password. # Pull the battery. The password is stored in static RAM. You will have to reset all the boot parameters. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <C7F45r.1oz@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <MS-C.737955787.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 07:44:14 GMT In article <MS-C.737955787.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes: #When NeXT killed black hardware they also pulled their financial support for #NeXTworld. Reportedly, the people at NeXTworld were *pissed*. # #Instead of worrying about NeXTworld EXTRA, worry about whether or not there #will be additional issues of NeXTworld. Do they have enough funding to keep #it going? # They better since they have my cash. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kurt@frsvnsvn.cts.com (Kurt Werle) Subject: NeXTWORLD EXPO parking, map, etc... Message-ID: <1993May22.214704.11905@frsvnsvn.cts.com> Organization: Little to None References: <1993May13.163553.5294@nic.csu.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 21:47:04 GMT Any SFers volunteer to draw up a .ps map on where to park, how to get there, etc...? Thanks, Kurt
From: dan@quiensabe.az.stratus.com (Dan Danz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Date: 23 May 1993 01:37:16 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <1tmkgc$8ri@transfer.stratus.com> References: <1993May19.034628.11650@csus.edu> Eric P. Scott writes > We do not need a new newsgroup. NS/FIP is essentially identical > to the m68k product (it's basically a subset), and amount of > *truly* Intel-specific material can easily be accommodated in the > existing newsgroups. Amen! > [...] > Once again, let me remind you of EXISTING usenet newsgroups > that you should be aware of: > > comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware XT/AT/EISA hardware, any vendor. > comp.sys.intel Discussions about Intel systems and parts. > comp.sys.laptops Laptop (portable) computers. > comp.unix.dos-under-unix MS-DOS running under UNIX by whatever means. > comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit UNIX on 386 and 486 architectures. > > (and there are *several dozen more* that are directly relevant to > all NEXTSTEP customers) I agree with Eric... and see a side benefit to using these other groups: maybe just MAYBE, if we start posting about some of the neat things in NS over in some of those others groups, we might win over more than a few converts from Windoze. -- L. W. "Dan" Danz (WA5SKM) VOS Mail: Dan_Danz@vos.stratus.com Sr Consulting Software SE NeXT Mail: dan@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Voice Mail/Pager: (602) 852-3107 Telecommunications Division Customer Service: (800) 828-8513 Stratus Computer, Inc. 4455 E. Camelback #115-A, Phoenix AZ 85018
From: reuven@athena.mit.edu (Reuven M. Lerner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Date: 23 May 1993 01:56:54 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <REUVEN.93May22215654@marinara.mit.edu> References: <1993May20.235121.18732@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> <1993May21.142431.3810@afs.com> <1tk3dtINNrhe@news.u.washington.edu> In-reply-to: begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu's message of 22 May 1993 02:33:33 GMT >>>>> On 22 May 1993 02:33:33 GMT, begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu >>>>> (Sonja Jo K-B) said: Sonja> According to my copy of NeXTWORLD that I picked up yesterday Sonja> at the newstand (I really should subscribe, I buy all the Sonja> issues) they will be going montly as of the August issue. Sonja> Also, NeXTWORLD Extra subscribers will have their Sonja> subscription adjusted accordingly. I just received a card from NeXTworld asking me to renew my subscription, which runs out after the June/July issue. The notice made no mention of the money I had paid for NeXTworld Extra. (It did say that NeXTworld Extra would come "8 free times a year" with my subscription, but I assume that this is a relic from the quarterly publication schedule.) Maybe I'm asking too much, but it seems reasonable for subscribers to be let in on these sorts of changes, even if the notice effectively says, "we've taken your money and there isn't anything that you can do about it." Reuven
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: FAT binaries & NS3.0 Message-ID: <1993May23.024012.14887@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <EfzEeJq00iMFARl18X@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 23 May 1993 02:40:12 GMT In article <EfzEeJq00iMFARl18X@andrew.cmu.edu> zonker+@CMU.EDU (Jeremy G. Mereness) writes: >For those of us who have not upgraded to 3.1, can we still make use of >applications submitted as Fat Binaries? What has to be done? The general rule is (and has always been) that applications developed under later Software Releases will not run under earlier ones (quite a difference from the MSDOS and MacOS worlds!). You really, really want to upgrade to 3.1 (although I don't know what to say to people who became emotionally attached to the PhoneKit--I don't know if it's still usable). -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: 3.1: What's in it for you (and what's not) Message-ID: <1993May23.025827.15604@csus.edu> Summary: Security through Obscurity Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <C7E2wA.5C0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 23 May 1993 02:58:27 GMT 3.1 includes lists of non-security-related bug fixes along with their bug tracking numbers. The general rules are that (1) security-related bugs are rarely published (2) each report is assigned a new tracking number (3) customers who report security- related bugs are rarely informed as to originality (4) no notification is given when a bug is closed (5) Software Releases do not necessarily fix all previous known bugs. The number of NeXT-related CERT Advisories is but a small fraction of the known bugs, and those published generally indicate (a) the bug is of little practical consequence (b) there is something the customer can actually do about it (c) the bug is in "imported" (non-NeXT-developed) code. According to CERT personnel, while NeXT is not _the_ most "irresponible/nonresponsive" vendor, they're definitely way down there. When was the last time you saw NeXT issue a patch between releases? How supportive is NeXT of customers running less than the most current release? -=EPS=- -- With NeXT's "transition" to Intel-based hardware, they're repositioning their product from "relatively insecure among workstations" to "relatively secure among PeeCees." See how they've improved!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Why not develop NS/Intel on old NeXT hardware? Message-ID: <1993May23.030943.15973@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <NISHIMU.93May20142348@janis.macro.co.jp> <SCOTT.93May21224044@nic.gac.edu> Date: Sun, 23 May 1993 03:09:43 GMT Scott, the other day I asked one of the NeXT people why they decided to put Objective-C *in the kernel* in 3.1--"isn't that inefficient?" The response: PeeCees are so I/O limited that it just doesn't matter. Fast SCSI-2 >> IDE EISA >> ISA caching controllers are your friend buy more memory (a 1024x768 15-bit color system wants at least 32MB RAM) etc. etc. -=EPS=-
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: FAT binaries & NS3.0 Message-ID: <1222@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 23 May 93 06:07:02 GMT References: <1993May23.024012.14887@csus.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Eric P. Scott writes > The general rule is (and has always been) that applications > developed under later Software Releases will not run under > earlier ones (quite a difference from the MSDOS and MacOS > worlds!). This is so easily preventable. Unless you take advantage of some system features that aren't in a previous release, compiled code should run on older systems. NeXT ships so much god-awfully unnecessary megabytes that it's a shame their "shared library" scheme has to prevent such a basic expectation. An even more general rule is that minor releases are supposed to be backward compatible. To say that 3.1 is not compatible with 3.0 means that it's a very poor choice of version number. It should be called 4.0. 3.1 becomes a marketing name, to try to convince you that nothing has changed in an incompatible way, which seems not to be true. We are still releasing PasteUp compiled under 2.0 so as to run on the widest number of systems, but it's ridiculous that we can't take advantage of things like ProjectBuilder to develop it under 3.x and just release it as a 2.0 app. NeXT makes more incompatible changes than I've ever seen in my life. Hardware incompatibility is just the latest of them. Even SOURCE CODE isn't portable across releases of the system (they move .h files and silly things like that). Sigh. Onward, I guess. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Is this 19" or 21"? (no, there isn't a punchline!) Message-ID: <C7G5Cp.29D@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993May22.022100.12697@selway.umt.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 21:07:37 GMT In article <1993May22.022100.12697@selway.umt.edu> cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner) writes: # I'm one of the dinosaurs that's perfectly content with his #black hardware and amazed at how stupid people can be, to let NeXT #get out of the hardware business....I do have one question though. #I measured my color monitor diagonally, and I recorded the following #figures: 1) The active part of the screen is 18.75"; 2) From corner #to corner of the glass is 20.25"; 3) Probably from corner to corner of #the glass tube (including behind the black plastic) is about 21". I #paid for a 21" monitor and just want to make sure there wasn't a screw-up. #So do 21" monitors have 19" active areas? Thanks in advance for the info. # #Rich It depends on the tube. But if you measured the actual glass portion of the screen and got 20.25" then the tube is 21" (don't forget the part under the bezel) and you have a 21" monitor. Some monitors offer pictures that go from the edge of the bezel to the edge of the bezel. I have a 21" Wyse monitor on my other machine (this is black hardware I'm typing on) and I can adjust the viewing area so the picture takes up the whole screen with no black boarder. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NeXT Phone Number Message-ID: <C7G5Ey.2A4@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1tja3d$1pd@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 21:08:58 GMT In article <1tja3d$1pd@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kimman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kim Richard Man) writes: #Does anybody know the phone number of NeXT company that I can #call for NeXTStep upgrade and registration. # #Thanks in advance.... # #Richie 1-800-848-NEXT use a touch-tone phone and press the number 1 at the initial menu. They will take your name and other information. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kjell@oops (Kjell Nilsson) Subject: VideoTapes from NWE Message-ID: <1993May23.074007.3777@oops.se> Sender: kjell@oops.se Organization: OOPSart - ObjectWareHouse Date: Sun, 23 May 1993 07:40:07 GMT Hi all Is there anybody who knows if there will be any videotapes from the DevCon at NWE. If there is please send me a note where to buy them. I can not attend because of a sad reason (though I have a ticket to SF). (-sigh-) Have a nice time and please post some summaries. Kjell at OOPS
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Really strange Open Sesame fault Date: 23 May 1993 07:22:47 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tn57n$258@steffi.demon.co.uk> Before I went to bed last night I ran open sesame with Mail.app. IE. I ran Mail.app as root whilst logged in to the robert account. This morning I found that NeXTMail.app has gotten all mail from /usr/spool/mail/robert and put it in root's active mailbox. This is most strange. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <1993May22.172840.780@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993May21.142431.3810@afs.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 17:28:40 GMT In article <1993May21.142431.3810@afs.com> greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) writes: > It is my understanding that as of the issue that will be distributed at > the Expo, NeXTWorld intends to switch permanently to an > every-other-month publishing schedule, instead of quarterly. The above is not correct. NeXTWorld will be introducing changes on Tuesday. I expect most readers to be pleased with the changes. M Carling Contributing Editor, NeXTWorld Magazine
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: FAT binaries & NS3.0 Message-ID: <1993May22.173026.854@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <EfzEeJq00iMFARl18X@andrew.cmu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 17:30:26 GMT In article <EfzEeJq00iMFARl18X@andrew.cmu.edu> zonker+@CMU.EDU (Jeremy G. Mereness) writes: > > > For those of us who have not upgraded to 3.1, can we still make use of > applications submitted as Fat Binaries? What has to be done? Execution of fat binaries requires NS 3.0 or later. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no longer in print Message-ID: <1993May22.203621.1600@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993May22.182752.11987@cx5.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 20:36:21 GMT In article <1993May22.182752.11987@cx5.com> tlc@cx5.com writes: > NeXTworld mag made me pay for another year's subscription (I think my > subscription runs now until 1995 or something; a long time) in order to >get the NeXTworld Extra. Never did recieve a copy. > > A confusing mess, they seem to have with subscriptions. I've had it > stopped, for unexplained reasons, even though as mentioned I'm > subscribed for several years hence. NeXTWorld recently fired the company handling subscriptions, and has hired one that we expect to better serve subscribers. There may be some transition pains, but the previous level of service justified the switch. M Carling Contributing Editor, NeXTWorld magazine
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: IconBounce Message-ID: <49933@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 23 May 93 06:35:34 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD I hope that this newsgroup is the right place to post this. No NeXT-mail please. I got IconBounce.tar.Z off of a bulletin board and when I do a 'make install' I get: make IconBounce "OFILE_DIR = obj" "CFLAGS = -O -g -Wimplicit" cc -O -g -Wimplicit -c IconApp.m -o obj/IconApp.o IconApp.m:5: header file 'appkit/defaults.h' not found *** Exit 1 Stop. *** Exit 1 Stop. What is the fix? I am running NS3.0. Thanks, Mark Stankus
From: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Anyone looking at GNU Emacs 19.7 (beta) ? Date: 23 May 93 12:26:49 Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: world Message-ID: <GISLI.93May23122649@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> From gnu.emacs.announce: Version 19.7 of GNU Emacs is now available for beta-testing via anonymous FTP from ************ as `pub/gnu/emacs-19.7.tar.z'. (I have censored the ftp hostname due to requests that mirror sites be used for ftp. Read original posting). Is anyone working on Emacs 19 for NEXTSTEP? Judging from Mr. Stallman's comments about Emacs 19 in the past every effort has been made to account for alternatives to the X window system (he even mentioned NEXTSTEP once). Will we see this happen soon? Gisli PS: MORE FROM THE AFOREMENTIONED ARTICLE: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Emacs 19's new features include: * multiple X windows (`frames' to Emacs), with a separate X window for the minibuffer, or with a minibuffer attached to each X window, * property lists for characters in buffers and strings, * multiple fonts, color, and underlining, defined by those properties, * X selection processing, including CLIPBOARD selections, * simplified and improved processing of function keys, mouse clicks, and mouse motion, * menu bars and popup menus defined by keymaps, * scrollbars, and * support for European character sets. At the lisp level, Emacs 19 supports: * before and after change hooks, * source-level debugging of Emacs Lisp programs, * floating point numbers, * improved buffer allocation, using a new mechanism capable of returning storage to the system when a buffer is killed, * interfacing with the X resource manager, and * support for the GNU configuration scheme. Many popular lisp packages are now part of the standard distribution, including: * the comint modes (CMUshell and friends), * the extended byte compiler, * the GNUS newsreader, * the lisp source-level debugger, and * the VC version control system. Thanks are due to: * the Emacs 19 alpha-testers, * Jamie Zawinski and the Lucid folks for their implementation of some of the X-related features, and * Alan Carroll and the people who worked on Epoch for generating initial feedback to a multi-windowed Emacs. -- ............................................................................... Gisli Ottarsson Delenda est Carthago. University of Michigan gisli@engin.umich.edu ...............................................................................
From: "Craig Attig" <p00493@psilink.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help! Need to revive station! Date: Sun, 23 May 93 13:42:18 -0500 Organization: Marketing Innovators Message-ID: <2947264466.1.p00493@psilink.com> I made the *big* mistake of accidentally typing "rm bcp *" rather than "rm bcp*" when I was cleaning up in the *root* directory. Now I've wiped out a few things... like the links to /private/dev/@, /private/etc/@, and /private/tmp/@; and also mach --> $BOOTFILE@, odmach, and sdmach. (ARRRGGGG!!!!) I was able to grab odmach and sdmach from ftp'ing to another machine. Will this do me any good? Otherwise, I though I could create a bootable floppy to get the machine running, archive all the goodies to another machine, and start from scratch. Is there an easier way? Craig :^( Please e-mail replies to <p00493@psilink.com>.
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <1993May23.162612.5683@imani.cam.org> Date: 23 May 93 16:26:12 GMT References: <1993May21.142431.3810@afs.com> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1993May21.142431.3810@afs.com> greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) writes: > > First off just to allign our facts, when I called the number in the last > > issue of NeXTWORLD I got a new number. When I called that number I got > > a someone who said they had taken over handeling subscriptions for > > NeXTWORLD but had not gotten info into their computers yet. > > > > I'm hoping that this is the problem and that NeXTWORLD EXTRA has not > > gone out of print sseing as how I just re-subscribed to the tune of > > $19.95 at the end of March :( > > It is my understanding that as of the issue that will be distributed at > the Expo, NeXTWorld intends to switch permanently to an every-other-month > publishing schedule, instead of quarterly. The original reason for the > Extras was that 3 months was an awfully long time to wait for news and > reviews in a fast-moving business. With regular issues being published > more frequently, Extra becomes less necessary. > > Personally, I think 6 full-size issues instead of 4 full-size issues plus > 8 eight-page issues is a pretty fair tradeoff. A. NeXTWORLD is going monthly as of august (that's 12 issues a year!) B. The Extra is in there C. Hasn't anybody received it?!? I got it last tuesday May 18th) at the magazine store I work at. Nothing much inside. Nothing worth holding it 'till Expo time! D. Is anybody reading this? My UUCP thing seems to be herratic. E. A new mag is coming out at the Expo. Finally, competition may bread quality! Ciao Nicolas > > -- > Gregory H. Anderson | "History, despite its wrenching pain, > Commander-in-Chief | Cannot be unlived, but if faced > Anderson Financial Systems | With courage, need not be lived again." > greg@afs.com (Nextmail OK) | -- Maya Angelou, "On the Pulse of Morning"
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! Need to revive station! Message-ID: <67874@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 23 May 93 20:55:39 GMT References: <2947264466.1.p00493@psilink.com> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <2947264466.1.p00493@psilink.com> p00493@psilink.com (Craig Attig) writes: > I made the *big* mistake of accidentally typing "rm bcp *" rather than > "rm bcp*" when I was cleaning up in the *root* directory. wow, good luck. this is a very good reason to use tcsh instead of csh. you can set it up to prompt for confirmation anytime you use the rm command and * is an argument (unless you use -f) -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: gil@ux5.lbl.gov (gil rivlis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A Webster Mistake, or, How to Spell Massachusetts Date: 23 May 1993 22:44:08 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory Distribution: world Message-ID: <1touno$g0q@overload.lbl.gov> Summary: Is it massachusetts or masachusetts? Keywords: Massachusetts, Webster Asking Webster to Define Massachusetts, I got the following: Ma.sa.chu.set \,mas-(e-)'chuH-set, -zet\ n, pl Maaachuset or Maaachusets also Maaachusetts [Massachuset Massa-adchu-es-et, a locality, lit., about the big hill] (1616) 1: a member of an American Indian people of Maaachusetts 2: the Algonquian language of the Massachuset people Geographical Names: Ma.sa.chu.setts \,mas(-e)-'chuH-sets, -zets\ state NE U7S. * Boston area 8257 sq mi (21,468 sq km), pop 5,737,037 sking Webster to define Masachusetts, I got Correction? masaccio masada masai masais masampo masan masaryk So, according to Webster one cannot spell Massacusetts correctly... Gil gil@asterix.lbl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: A Webster Mistake, or, How to Spell Massachusetts Message-ID: <1993May24.001032.21321@macc.wisc.edu> Keywords: Massachusetts, Webster Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1touno$g0q@overload.lbl.gov> Date: Mon, 24 May 93 00:10:32 GMT In article <1touno$g0q@overload.lbl.gov> gil@ux5.lbl.gov (gil rivlis) writes: >Asking Webster to Define Massachusetts, I got the following: >[lots of "aaa" where "ass" should be :-)] >So, according to Webster one cannot spell Massacusetts correctly... Maybe with a hachek over the "c?" :-) -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [----> Hero-worship is strongest where there is least regard for freedom. <---]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Help! Need to revive station! Message-ID: <1993May24.001852.21859@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <2947264466.1.p00493@psilink.com> <67874@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 24 May 93 00:18:52 GMT In article <67874@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: >In article <2947264466.1.p00493@psilink.com> >p00493@psilink.com (Craig Attig) writes: >>I made the *big* mistake of accidentally typing "rm bcp >>*" rather than "rm bcp*" when I was cleaning up in the >>*root* directory. >wow, good luck. this is a very good reason to use tcsh >instead of csh. you can set it up to prompt for >confirmation anytime you use the rm command and * is an >argument (unless you use -f) You can set up csh similarly. Put alias rm rm -i in your .cshrc to get a request for confirmation on each file the operation applies to. When you're *sure* you won't slip up (hesitation before pressing <return> is a healthy habit with the rm command), you can override the alias by prefixing a backslash: \rm bcp* in your example. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [-------> Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy. <--------]
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! Need to revive station! Message-ID: <67883@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 24 May 93 02:52:44 GMT References: <2947264466.1.p00493@psilink.com> <67874@mimsy.umd.edu> <1993May24.001852.21859@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 I wrote > you can set it [tcsh] up to prompt for > confirmation anytime you use the rm command and * is an argument. Jess Anderson wrote > You can set up csh similarly. Put > alias rm rm -i > in your .cshrc. just to set the record straight [and hopefully not to rekindle the shell wars] this is NOT the same thing. the tcsh feature is a specific guard against an accidental rm * that is different than using the -i switch as Jess suggests because that prompts for every file, every time. they both have their place, but they are not the same. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Cost effective Monocrome NS/FIP hardware????? Date: 23 May 93 12:05:34 Organization: University of Michigan Distribution: usa Message-ID: <GISLI.93May23120534@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> I am amazed how little interest there seems to be in running NS/FIP in Monocrome. In an earlier posting I asked about hardware requirements for Mono and got lots of 'me-too' e-mail messages but no answers. Subsequent questions by others have yet to generate a discussion. A lot of people could not care less about Color! Is there really not a way to assamble a Mono 486 system that is much cheaper than a Color 486 system? Is there no source for big (>19"), high resolution (ca. NeXTstation Mono) monocrome monitors for 486 computers? Case in point. The price of admission for a fully equipped 19" DX2-66 color system appears to be in the $5000-$6000 range with the monitor accounting for approximately $2000. Taking into account the smaller memory and graphic hardware requirements for Monocrome operation could one reasonably expect to shave $1000-$2000 of the above total? Has anyone assembled such a system? Gisli PS. We are scrapping two old Apollos with excellent 1280x??? 19" monocrome monitors. Would it be possible to use these monitors with a 486? -- ............................................................................... Gisli Ottarsson Delenda est Carthago. University of Michigan gisli@engin.umich.edu ...............................................................................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: IconBounce Message-ID: <1993May23.190130.7028@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <49933@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 23 May 1993 19:01:30 GMT In article <49933@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: > I hope that this newsgroup > is the right place to post this. > Actually comp.sys.next.programmer is probably the best place for this > I got IconBounce.tar.Z off of a bulletin board and > when I do a 'make install' I get: > > make IconBounce "OFILE_DIR = obj" "CFLAGS = -O -g -Wimplicit" > cc -O -g -Wimplicit -c IconApp.m -o obj/IconApp.o > IconApp.m:5: header file 'appkit/defaults.h' not found > > Mark Stankus I'm pretty sure appkit/defaults.h is from NS 2.x, it is gone on 3.0 - try removing the line entirely, it may not need it anymore. If that doesn't work, put in "#import appkit/appkit.h", which should have everything needed. If that doesn't work, send me email and I'll pull it down from work and try it (I don't have ftp access from here) - I'm sure I got something working like this once, hopefully it was as simple as removing defaults.h -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: NeXTWORLD EXPO - Free Pass Message-ID: <C7I2Et.vp@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Sun, 23 May 1993 21:59:16 GMT For those that are interested in going and don't have a pass. The Sunday San Jose Mercury News has a free pass that you present at the door. The pass is on page 5F. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: perkins@cps.msu.edu (Stephen Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Why erase HD for 3.0 installation? Date: 24 May 1993 14:39:13 GMT Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tqmmh$103m@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Originator: perkins@arctic.cps.msu.edu Way back when 3.0 first arrived, I saw lots of posts advising users not to use the upgrade feature, but to erase the hard disk and install the system from scratch. Could somebody please refresh my memory on why I might want to do this? I upgraded my old system to 3.0 (25 MHz '040) and things appear to work fine. However, the system cannot stay up overnight. After leaving in the evening (and logging out), I return the next morning and the system is hung. No response for any keyboard/mouse actions. My only alternative has been to power down by pulling the plug. Nothing noted in the system logs. Any ideas? Any help sincerely appreciated! - Steve -- ==================================================================== Stephen Perkins | Department of Computer Science | perkins@cps.msu.edu Michigan State University |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Squash anyone (at EXPO)? Message-ID: <1993May24.142050.3460@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Mon, 24 May 1993 14:20:50 GMT I'll be bringing my racquet, looking for partners. Am an aging (some would say middle-aged) player in the B's or upper C's.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) Subject: Interrupt lines on Intel 80x86 chips? Message-ID: <1993May24.171458.12262@ornl.gov> Sender: usenet@ornl.gov (News poster) Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory Date: Mon, 24 May 1993 17:14:58 GMT I have been completely satisfied with the stability of NeXTStep on my 68040 platform. I reboot only when I want to in order to change some configuration or because of power outages. I have had experience with other chip sets and have noticed a correlation between stability and the number of independent interrupt levels offered on the cpu chip. With a limited number of independent hardware interrupt lines, race conditions can result during the handling of interrupts(NE phone system outage!). I believe that the 80486 chip offers two (2) interrupt lines, which allows a total of 3 (2^2-1) intependent interrupts. This is less than the 8 or more recommended for networked Unix machines and which architectures such as the 68040 and most RISC chip sets offer. Has anyone gotten any experience with the NeXTStep operating system operating on the 80x86 chip set? What is the stability compared to the 68040? What about the number or reboots(I can't believe the number of times I see MSDOS users hitting their reboot sequence!)? System Hangs? I love NeXTStep, but also want the present stability to continue. I don't mind an occassional process hang as long as I can go to another window and kill the offending process. Until I see some feedback on stability and reboot frequency I'm going to remain skeptical about 80x86 implementations. - - - - - - - - - J. W. Wooten
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de (Helmut Heller) Subject: what is going on at ex-NeXT?? Message-ID: <1993May24.193614.15506@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Keywords: hardware? Sender: news@news.lrz-muenchen.de (Mr. News) Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Date: Mon, 24 May 1993 19:36:14 GMT Hello, I couldn't follow the news groups for a while, so I don't know what is going to happen to the NeXT factory. did Canon buy it? what are they going to do with it? will they continue to produce black hardware?? Thanks for your updates, -- Servus, Helmut (DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail accepted________________ Phone: ++89/2394-4565 "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" heller@nirvana.imo.physik.uni-muenchen.de ZEN, one of BLAKES7 FAX: ++89/2805-248 ------------------------------------------------ Helmut Heller, Ludwig Maximilians University, Institute for Medical Optics Theoretical Biophysics Group, Room 230
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Subject: Are YOU on this list? Message-ID: <1993May25.100407.23812@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 10:04:07 GMT I've build an extensive NewsGrazer and Mail Icon collection of the following users. If you have an icon of yourself and are not on this list or if you are on the list and the address shown is incorrect or outdated, please send me your icon or correction. Also, if you send mail or post news from more than one account, please send a list of the machines you use. I plan to make the collection (along with the scripts I have written to automate their installation and maintenance) available to the net soon. I'll respond to mail requests for these icons, however. I am aware of the 'Faces' archive, but I'm only interested in NeXT users' icons. 34t7ygg@cmuvm.bitnet alk@marys.mnsmc.edu alk@marys.mnsmc.edu.big amm@next.com andrew@stone.com aohno@bmt.gun.com aohno@nobugs.bmt.gun.com bagchi@oosik.sprl.umich.edu batman!mocnik@bmt.gun.com batman!mocnik@nobugs.bmt.gun.com bedney@monolith.lanl.gov bnocker@cosy.sbg.ac.at bruce@pages.com bryce_jasmer@next.com bshirley@gleap.jpunix.com captain@spock.cs.wisc.edu carlos@digilab.com cgeiger@next.com conrad_geiger@next.com dnanian@uw.com drew@fnbc.com eht@cs.cmu.edu eps@futon.sfsu.edu eps@toaster.sfsu.edu eric%basilisk@src.honeywell.com felix_a_lugo@att.com gbrown gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu gburd@nmsu.edu geiger@next.com groups@next.com hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu j-germuska@nwu.edu jacob@gore.com jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca jchoi@pages.com jeff_wishnie@next.com jfreeman@freemansoft.com jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov jiro@shaman.com john_sculley js@hafoc.princeton.edu js@princeton.edu kevin@pages.com kjell@oops.se kt@digilab.com lovstrand@europarc.xerox.com lrb@rri.uwo.ca mad@tds.com maduke@mad.com mahoney@csulb.edu mark@digilab.com mcohen@acoustic-srx1.ntt.jp me@fiol.uib.no mfriedel@monolith.rmnug.org mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com mshaler@tdoplan.sps.mot.com next8!ahokas@bmt.gun.com next8!genki!ahokas@bmt.gun.com next8!next1!ahokas@bmt.gun.com norm@dolphin.com pages@bwebster peterm@hplabs peterm@hplpcm.hplabs pfkeb@kaon.slac.stanford.edu pfunder@digilab.com pgraff@next.com ralf@reswi.ruhr.de relief!jjfeiler@uu2.psi.com rempe@iridium.tucson.az.us rkeene@east.sun.com robert_la_ferla@hot.com robertl@bucsf.bu.edu robertl@rlaferla.lotus.com samurai@mnementh.cs.mcgill.ca scott@mcs-server.gac.edu scott@nic.gac.edu sef@kithrup.com stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu tms@twins.lanl.gov tom@incom.de treed@bmt.gun.com tswan@jpmorgan.com user_groups@next.com zac@dolphin.com Thanks, --Glenn Brown
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) Subject: Windows NT Debute Message-ID: <1993May25.024756.3272@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: rlove@nugget.rmNUG.ORG Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 02:47:56 GMT I spent the morning at the Denver debute of Windows NT. Gates speech mentioned the comptetition but only OS/2 and Solaris. I never heard NeXTStep mentioned all day. Is this a sign that we don't worry him or that he doesn't want to draw attention to us?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: CD-ROMApple150/NeXT Help the 2nd Message-ID: <C7L2M7.H04@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993May18.151640.11460@rafa.in-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 12:56:30 GMT In article <1993May18.151640.11460@rafa.in-berlin.de> ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de (Ralf Neumann) writes: > Hello! > > Thanks a lot for your replies on my posting: > > >I just bought a Apple CD-Rom-Player and it's working fine with Data CD's. > >My problem is that it is impossible to play any music CD's with the > >CDPlayer.app:-( > > Still it's not working! > It was a clear thing that I have to listen to Audio CD's over the line > outputs of the CD Player. But the problem is that the CDPlayer.app > is not able to recognize Audio CD's so it can't display the titles and > naturally I can't listen to them. > Who can help my (I know that it is possible but how?)???? > > Thanks in advance If what you have is an Apple CD150, don't waste any more time. I worked on this for a while and then talked to people at NeXT who told me it simply won't work. Sorry. -- Jon Haveman ,_~o Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, Purdue University jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (*)/'(*) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home) (317) 494-6156 (Office) (317) 494-9658 (Fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Tim Murdoch) Subject: overhead panels Message-ID: <1993May25.130651.15411@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 13:06:51 GMT Organization: Washington & Lee University Does anyone know of, or has anyone used, a projection panel for a NeXT. We have them here for PCs and Macs, but the cables don't seem to fit the video ports on our NeXTs (we have mono and color turbo slabs and a cube). Any info or directions for obtaining info will be appreciated. Please mail any responses as I don't read this group as frequently as I should. Thanks. -- Tim Murdoch Assistant Prof. of Math e-mail: murdoch@wlu.edu Washington and Lee Univ. phone: (703) 463-5045 Lexington VA 24450
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rzewski@northstar.com (Alexis Rzewski) Subject: NeXT article on first page Wall Street Journal Message-ID: <C7L3uL.Hzn@northstar.com> Sender: usenet@northstar.com (usenet) Organization: NorthStar Technologies, Inc. Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 13:23:09 GMT The Wall Street Journal published today May 25th with a long article on Steve Jobs and NeXT on its first page.
From: zryx0376@awssg7.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Date: 25 May 1993 15:07:45 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <1ttco1$2o5@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <scott.737656861@shrug> <738062057snx@marsu.tynet.sub.org> <C7KLrs.Ezs@utstat.toronto.edu> In article <C7KLrs.Ezs@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >In article <738062057snx@marsu.tynet.sub.org> root@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: > >[Re splitting the NeXT world...] >> >>I agree. >>I'd also like to see separate directories on ftp servers >>holding fat or intel-only binaries. > >I am very opposed to this idea. A NeXT is a NeXT is a NeXT. Your point of view. But it is very annoying to waste time and bandwidth for ftpin software just in order to see that it is not running because it was not compiled fat. -- * /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart * * /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org / @rus.uni-stuttgart.de * * /etc/motd >> Party time! Excellent!! << * * ~/.ircrc/nick _Marsu_ *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <C7LEGy.Jrw@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <1ttco1$2o5@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 17:12:33 GMT In article <1ttco1$2o5@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg7.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: > In article <C7KLrs.Ezs@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > >In article <738062057snx@marsu.tynet.sub.org> root@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: > > > >[Re splitting the NeXT world...] > >> > >>I agree. > >>I'd also like to see separate directories on ftp servers > >>holding fat or intel-only binaries. > > > >I am very opposed to this idea. A NeXT is a NeXT is a NeXT. > > Your point of view. > But it is very annoying to waste time and bandwidth for ftpin software just > in order to see that it is not running because it was not compiled fat. What does that have to do with newsgroups? Oh, now we have to have comp.sys.next.intel.announce!? Don't forget comp.sys.next.hp.* too! And hey! how 'bout comp.sys.next.hp.* comp.sys.next.alpha.* comp.sys.next.cube.030.* comp.sys.next.cube.040.* comp.sys.next.mono.station.* comp.sys.next.color.station.* comp.sys.next.mono.turbo.* You get my point? WE HAVE ENOUGH GROUPS! > > -- > * /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart * > * /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org / @rus.uni-stuttgart.de * > * /etc/motd >> Party time! Excellent!! << * > * ~/.ircrc/nick _Marsu_ * -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: Interrupt lines on Intel 80x86 chips? Message-ID: <1993May25.172746.18150@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1993May24.171458.12262@ornl.gov> Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 17:27:46 GMT In article <1993May24.171458.12262@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov writes: >I have been completely satisfied with the stability of NeXTStep on my >68040 platform. I reboot only when I want to in order to change some >configuration or because of power outages. I have had experience with >other chip sets and have noticed a correlation between stability and >the number of independent interrupt levels offered on the cpu chip. >With a limited number of independent hardware interrupt lines, race >conditions can result during the handling of interrupts(NE phone system >outage!). I believe that the 80486 chip offers two (2) interrupt >lines, which allows a total of 3 (2^2-1) intependent interrupts. This >is less than the 8 or more recommended for networked Unix machines and >which architectures such as the 68040 and most RISC chip sets offer. The 80x86 line supports priority interrupt controllers, such as the Intel 8259. Theyre not fun to write ISRs with, but your average PC is configured for 15 normal interrupts (one master PIC and one slave PIC), plus whatever non-maskable stuff is there. Some HP PCs had two slaves, providing more interrupts, but requiring that your ISR knew of the third logical device. >Has anyone gotten any experience with the NeXTStep operating system >operating on the 80x86 chip set? What is the stability compared to the >68040? What about the number or reboots(I can't believe the number of >times I see MSDOS users hitting their reboot sequence!)? System Hangs? NeXTstep is an operating system; MSDOS is a set of function calls and interrupt service routines. NeXTstep has the notion of processes and process isolation, so unless youre using unsupported devices and drivers, the core system should be stable. >I love NeXTStep, but also want the present stability to continue. I >don't mind an occassional process hang as long as I can go to another >window and kill the offending process. Until I see some feedback on >stability and reboot frequency I'm going to remain skeptical about >80x86 implementations. Everyone is skeptical about a V1.0 product. NeXT took an extra year to get this out the door to make sure it was a quality product, and they realize the existence of their company depends on this release being solid. There will always be some anomolies - there isnt a UNIX system in existence that doesnt have some reasonable number of "problems", and you cant be UNIX conformant without "supporting" many of them. >- - - - - - - - - >J. W. Wooten -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) Subject: Re: Interrupt lines on Intel 80x86 chips? Message-ID: <1993May25.185917.3544@ornl.gov> Sender: usenet@ornl.gov (News poster) Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory References: <1993May25.172746.18150@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 18:59:17 GMT In article <1993May25.172746.18150@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: > In article <1993May24.171458.12262@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov writes: > >I have been completely satisfied with the stability of NeXTStep on my > >68040 platform. I reboot only when I want to in order to change some > >configuration or because of power outages. I have had experience with > >other chip sets and have noticed a correlation between stability and > >the number of independent interrupt levels offered on the cpu chip. > >With a limited number of independent hardware interrupt lines, race > >conditions can result during the handling of interrupts(NE phone system > >outage!). I believe that the 80486 chip offers two (2) interrupt > >lines, which allows a total of 3 (2^2-1) intependent interrupts. This > >is less than the 8 or more recommended for networked Unix machines and > >which architectures such as the 68040 and most RISC chip sets offer. > > The 80x86 line supports priority interrupt controllers, such as the > Intel 8259. Theyre not fun to write ISRs with, but your average PC > is configured for 15 normal interrupts (one master PIC and one slave > PIC), plus whatever non-maskable stuff is there. Some HP PCs had > two slaves, providing more interrupts, but requiring that your ISR > knew of the third logical device. > I see a lot of mention about the number of interrupts and the interrupt controllers, but what I am asking is how many hardware lines actually go to the cpu chip that are designated as interrupt lines. I believe it is two(2) on the 80x86. The basic hardware interrupts are determined at this level. They may cause an interrupt controller or other hardware/software to be involked which gives rise to many vectorized or other interrupts, but they are not cpu hardware interrupt states. > >Has anyone gotten any experience with the NeXTStep operating system > >operating on the 80x86 chip set? What is the stability compared to the > >68040? What about the number or reboots(I can't believe the number of > >times I see MSDOS users hitting their reboot sequence!)? System Hangs? > > NeXTstep is an operating system; MSDOS is a set of function calls and > interrupt service routines. NeXTstep has the notion of processes and > process isolation, so unless youre using unsupported devices and drivers, > the core system should be stable. The core system can enter "race" conditions when multiple simultaneous interrupts are encountered, especially if a higher priority interrupt is encountered while servicing a lower priority one. If this happens rapidly enough, then a lockup can occur. On a unix system (mach) connected to an Ethernet and several disk controllers and running multiple processors, including servicing the internal clock interrupt, the potential is there. The 68040 and most RISC chips have separate physical lines for interrupting the cpu and involking separate contexts depending upon whether the interrupt is generated by the internal clock, the disk controller, the ethernet controller, etc., thus reducing significantly the possibility of "race" conditions. To my knowledge, there is no such ability on the 80x86 chip set. Fortunately the brain dead OS on most PCs can't handle networking and many simultaneously interrupting tasks anyway, so this isn't a problem. I'm concerned when that hardware is faced with running a multi-user, multi-process, multiple "simultaneous" hardware interrupts, what will it do. > > >I love NeXTStep, but also want the present stability to continue. I > >don't mind an occassional process hang as long as I can go to another > >window and kill the offending process. Until I see some feedback on > >stability and reboot frequency I'm going to remain skeptical about > >80x86 implementations. > I'm not skeptical about the version of the software, I'm concerned about the fundamental limitations of the hardware itself. > Everyone is skeptical about a V1.0 product. NeXT took an extra year to > get this out the door to make sure it was a quality product, and they realize > the existence of their company depends on this release being solid. There > will always be some anomolies - there isnt a UNIX system in existence that > doesnt have some reasonable number of "problems", and you cant be UNIX > conformant without "supporting" many of them. > > >- - - - - - - - - > >J. W. Wooten > > -Steve > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com > > "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum -- - - - - - - - - - J. W. Wooten
From: dwatola@amtsun.jpl.nasa.gov (David A. Watola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: reading different cdrom formats under ns 3.0 Date: 25 May 1993 19:31:50 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tts76$66t@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> exactly which cdrom formats are supported under nextstep 3.0? why am i unable to read sunsoft cdroms (system software and catalyst cdroms) -- what filesystem types are on these discs? what i really want to do is mount sunsoft cdroms on a next running ns 3.0 and export them to sparc machines, but the cdrom drive rejects these particular discs. dwatola@bvd.jpl.nasa.gov
From: woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu (William O'Neill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Impossible to order the Education package! Message-ID: <1993May25.183119.22749@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Date: 25 May 93 18:31:19 GMT Sender: news@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu (NetWork News (readnews)) Organization: Temple University I've been going in circles trying to get some info about ordering the Academic Bundle for the Intel platform. The NeXT salespeople say we have to order through some reseller and the reseller says we have to order it through a bookstore. What kind of arrangement is this? Do they want to sell their product or see how many middle men they can get in the whole process? -- <cut along dotted line> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bill O'Neill The Woneill Temple University woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu 7th Floor Computer Activity Building Usenet News administrator Broad & Montgomery Avenues IRC operator Philadelphia, PA 19122 Cynical Temple Student
From: mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: NeXT Graphing Software Date: 25 May 1993 20:47:14 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <1tu0kj$8e7@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hi, I am looking for public domain software to do simple xy graphs with linear and log axes for the NeXT. Something similar to CricketGraph on the mac would be perfect. I have already tried using Improv with unsatisfactory results. If anybody has any information, PLEASE e-mail me. I will summarize all responses with another post. Thanks, Varun
From: begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Impossible to order the Education package! Date: 25 May 1993 21:26:05 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Message-ID: <1tu2tdINN5nm@news.u.washington.edu> References: <1993May25.183119.22749@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> In article <1993May25.183119.22749@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu (William O'Neill) writes: >I've been going in circles trying to get some info about ordering the >Academic Bundle for the Intel platform. The NeXT salespeople say we have to >order through some reseller and the reseller says we have to order it >through a bookstore. What kind of arrangement is this? Do they want to sell >their product or see how many middle men they can get in the whole process? > >-- I've been having quite the problem myself. My local university bookstore has told me that they will *not* be selling it. So, I call NeXT to find out *who* it is I'll be ordering through. They send me to NACSCORP so I call them. (I might have that acronym wrong). The NACSCORP people will not tell me ANYTHING. The line was and I quote "I can not give you any information if you're not a member of NACSCORP." So I call NeXT again. And the guy I talked to doesn't know whats going but is very helpful in trying to find (ie, his instructions are to refer us to NACSCORP.) He gave me a few phone numbers for my regional and state sales managers. Of course, they're all at Expo this week so I'll have to wait until they get back. :) All of this seems a bit too absurd.
From: adunn@fnalf.fnal.gov Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Date: 25 May 93 17:30:57 -0600 Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Message-ID: <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Has anyone heard anything about the educational pricing for black hardware? It looks to me like it would be cheaper for me to buy the 3.1 Intel bundle than to upgrade from 2.1 to 3.1 on my NeXTstation. Also, how do things like Mathematica and WriteNow run on 3.1 ( NeXT hardware )? Would it kill my thesis-writing to upgrade? Thanks, _andy dunn u of michigan
From: fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Has NeXT Released Hardware Specs for NS/I? Date: 25 May 1993 22:38:53 GMT Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1tu75tINNp0p@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> (The title says it all.) I may be premature, but has NeXT released the hardware requirements for NS/I yet? I am waiting to see which how strongly EISA ports are recommended for the system, and which vendors (DELL, Gateway, etc.) sell systems capable of running NeXTSTEP out of the box. I have seen the pre-release requirments, but I am a bit leery of buying a $4000-$6000 system on anything but the final specs. Finally, is there any (official) word on what, exactly, ships with NS/I 3.1? -- David J. Fischer : fischedj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu "Don't ever put your brain on a runaway train 'cause it won't be coming back!" - Mad At The World.
From: tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How are commercial software packaged? Date: 26 May 1993 00:21:11 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tud5n$74v@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi, To those people attending the expo, how is software going to be packaged in the future? Intel binaries and Motorola binaries packaged separatly? Both versions packaged in one shrink-wrapped? Or fat-binaries which I only extract the part I need? In particular, say I want xxx.app, when I buy xxx.app, do I get both the Intel binaries and Motorola binaries? Does it require 3.1 or 3.2 to extract the Motorola/Intel binaries from fat binaries? Thanks. I really feel tempted to go to a 486 after the exhibit. It runs so damn fast!! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tyf@ocf.berkeley.edu NeXTmail WANTED! tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Date: 26 May 1993 00:26:24 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1tudfg$78b@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> In article <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> adunn@fnalf.fnal.gov writes: > >Has anyone heard anything about the educational pricing for black hardware? Something like $79 from 3.0 to 3.1. Upgrade from 3.1 to 3.2 is free. > >It looks to me like it would be cheaper for me to buy the 3.1 Intel bundle than >to upgrade from 2.1 to 3.1 on my NeXTstation. You can pick up a 3.0 CD now for around $150. Look into comp.sys.next. marketplace. The $249 does sound incredible, but you cannot sell the software you develop on it. Besides, a capable Intel machine does not cost much less than a turbo machine. > >Also, how do things like Mathematica and WriteNow run on 3.1 ( NeXT hardware )? >Would it kill my thesis-writing to upgrade? My frined who has used a pre-release 3.1 told me that everything in 3.1 is magnitude faster. I don't know whether it is true. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tyf@ocf.berkeley.edu NeXTmail WANTED! tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Speed of 3.1 (was 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware??) Date: 26 May 1993 00:38:51 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <1tue6r$flv@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> <1tudfg$78b@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <1tudfg$78b@agate.berkeley.edu> tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) writes: > My frined who has used a pre-release 3.1 told me that everything in >3.1 is magnitude faster. I don't know whether it is true. > Eric P. Scott (eps@sutro.sfsu.edu) says it is although he doesn't say it's an order of magnitude faster--but if he says it's noticably faster, it must be! Eps is a hard guy to please. :-) Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MailStop20BJ Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304-1112 USA Core Application Technologies 1.415.857.3230 Fax 1.415.852.8026
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Impossible to order the Education package! Date: 26 May 1993 00:39:58 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tue8v$8h6@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993May25.183119.22749@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu (William O'Neill) writes: > I've been going in circles trying to get some info about ordering the > Academic Bundle for the Intel platform. The NeXT salespeople say we > have to order through some reseller and the reseller says we have > to order it through a bookstore. What kind of arrangement is this? It's what happens when you try to order something that isn't even shipping yet. The channels are not really setup yet. I work with an educational reseller here at RPI. Just yesterday we received a letter from NeXT saying that NeXTSTEP products would be available thru one of the major distributors for educational software. They also said that the distributor would be contacting us (the store) shortly about details. The distributor is one that the store already works with (which is not too much of a surprise, because there's only a few distributors who specialize in handling the educational market). This is a very sensible way for NeXT to distribute their educational package. Given that NS-Intel didn't even exist as a product until today, it's a bit soon to be concerned that it will be impossible to get the educational package. RPI students won't be able to buy it this week either, but it should be available sometime in the next few weeks. > Do they want to sell their product or see how many middle men they > can get in the whole process? While the route NeXT has chosen makes a lot of sense for most everyone involved (for a variety of reasons), it does mean that you have to go thru some campus store to get the package. The overhead of having each student calling up someplace (anyplace), having each of them order one copy, and having each of them prove that they are indeed entitled to the special discount is just too costly to justify doing. This is how most educational discounts are handled. Certainly the store manager here was quite pleased with NeXT for going this route. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: 25000+ copies of NS/FIP ordered upon release Message-ID: <1993May25.231205.29783@microsoft.com> Date: 25 May 93 23:12:05 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corporation I just read through a couple news articles about the rollout of NEXTSTEP/FIP at the Expo. Amidst some of the interesting news (like a marketing initiative formed with HP called "Objece- Enterprise", and additions to NeXT's board of directors including Lawrence J. Ellison of ORACLE), I noticed one very impressive piece of news: NeXT has booked orders for *25,000* copies of NS/FIP upon release. Contracts have been made with companies like: Abbott Laboratories, McCaw Cellular Communications, Chrysler Financial, and others. While this might not sound like a huge number in the PC arena, I think that its important to consider that NeXT's previous installed base was reported to be a mere 50,000. Since there were a number of people questioning NeXT's decision to move to a software company, I think that it is now obvious that they made the right choice. Even though NeXT won't see the same net revenue generated for a box of software as they would for a workstation-class machine, they have [upon release] increased their installed base by half again. To me, thats pretty impressive no matter how you look at it. FYI, Jeff jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: NEXTSTEP/FIP Evaluation Kit Message-ID: <1993May25.232405.1099@microsoft.com> Date: 25 May 93 23:24:05 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corporation NeXT is apparently offering an Evaluation Kit for customers eager to evaluate NEXTSTEP/FIP. The kit will supposedly be available from May 25 through July 31, at a cost of $299. The kit will include the following: - NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Intel Processors, including full "user" version product and documentation. - NS developer CDROM with complete developer package, as well as a coupon for 50% off printed docs. - NEXTSTEP Advantage Kit which includes a booklet, video- cassette, and diskette w/ sample software. - NEXTSTEP Programming, a book by Garfinkel & Mahoney. I thought some people might be interested in this. -Jeff jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 25000+ copies of NS/FIP ordered upon release Date: 26 May 1993 01:33:38 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company Message-ID: <1tuhdi$i2e@hpscit.sc.hp.com> References: <1993May25.231205.29783@microsoft.com> In article <1993May25.231205.29783@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: >NeXT has booked orders for *25,000* copies of NS/FIP upon release. >Contracts have been made with companies like: Abbott Laboratories, >McCaw Cellular Communications, Chrysler Financial, and others. > Unless I need to change my prescriptions, I believe it was a little over 40,000 copies of NS/FIP over a period of 24 months whose sales contracts have been signed and confirmed. Ken -- Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MailStop20BJ Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304-1112 USA Core Application Technologies 1.415.857.3230 Fax 1.415.852.8026
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Re: 25000+ copies of NS/FIP ordered upon release [more like 40k] Message-ID: <thompsonC7M1uw.8wA@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993May25.231205.29783@microsoft.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 01:37:44 GMT jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: > >NeXT has booked orders for *25,000* copies of NS/FIP upon release. >Contracts have been made with companies like: Abbott Laboratories, >McCaw Cellular Communications, Chrysler Financial, and others. Jobs showed slides and numbers that said it was just over 40,000 in his keynote. Top buyer had like 6,000 copies. Also, he said this was for delivery over *24* months.. "not tomorrow". But what'd ya expect? :-) Eric
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Windows NT Debute Date: 25 May 1993 19:09:09 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tujg5$3bl@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <1993May25.024756.3272@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> In article <1993May25.024756.3272@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> raptor!rlove (Robert B. Love ) writes: : :I spent the morning at the Denver debute of Windows NT. Gates speech :mentioned the comptetition but only OS/2 and Solaris. I never heard :NeXTStep mentioned all day. Is this a sign that we don't worry him or :that he doesn't want to draw attention to us? Considering the rumored rift between Gates and Jobs and considering the fact that PC magazines are starting to provide more exposure for NeXT, I'd say he doesn't want to draw attention to NeXT. -Matt
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Date: 25 May 1993 19:15:16 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tujrk$3co@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <1ttco1$2o5@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> In article <1ttco1$2o5@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg7.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: :In article <C7KLrs.Ezs@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: :>In article <738062057snx@marsu.tynet.sub.org> root@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel) writes: :> :>[Re splitting the NeXT world...] :>> :>>I agree. :>>I'd also like to see separate directories on ftp servers :>>holding fat or intel-only binaries. :> :>I am very opposed to this idea. A NeXT is a NeXT is a NeXT. : :Your point of view. :But it is very annoying to waste time and bandwidth for ftpin software just :in order to see that it is not running because it was not compiled fat. : :-- :* /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart * :* /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org / @rus.uni-stuttgart.de * :* /etc/motd >> Party time! Excellent!! << * :* ~/.ircrc/nick _Marsu_ * Personally I would rather not have separate directories, at least not until other platforms are supported. It would add too much confusion and NeXT has indicated that fat binaries are not significantly larger then single-platform binaries. NeXT has made a concerted effort to make multi-platform packages workable and we should at least give them a chance. Perhaps a better thing to have would be a strip program to remove the 'other' platforms from a binary. After all, disk space is a much greater end-user problem than network bandwidth / upload / download times. -Matt
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTworld EXTRA is no logner in print Message-ID: <1993May25.062147.9486@imani.cam.org> Date: 25 May 93 06:21:47 GMT References: <127868@netnews.upenn.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <127868@netnews.upenn.edu> jason@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Jason Ehrlich) writes: > Hm, when did a new issue come out? > > Has anyone who _subscribes_ gotten it, or only magazine stores and > newsstands? That makes no sense; in my experiences it has been the > other way around. I am 1- an avid NeXT user and 2- A clerk in a magazine store. We (Montreal, Quebec, CANADA) got the June-July issue on May 18th (I know, I'm the one who put it on the shelf). I asked my boss about this, and he confirmed what I thought: The distributor (in this case Benjamin News, if anybody from NeXTWorld wants to get on their case) got a bunch of NeXTWorlds with a note saying "Not to be displayed until May 25th". Being who they are (careless scumbags who make money off other people's work, in the purest tradition of commercialism), they gave it to all of Quebec _anyway_!!! I guess this happened elsewhere, and that's why you've got "infected areas" where people have them and subscribers haven't received it yet. I could be wrong, but it sounds logical to me. Ciao Nicolas Dore > > (BTW, I am a subscriber, and I haven't seen anything from NeXTworld > since the last 'big' issue with the "NeXT goes to white hardware" > article.) > > jason > > -- > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Jason Ehrlich * jason@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (or jehrlich@aol.com) * > SysOp, *StarLine* Information Systems - Data (215) 635-2341 (v32bis) * > "The Universe is Change; Our Life is what Our Thoughts Make It." - Antoninus* BTW: There is _nothing_ in there to warrant a delayed publishing. No big news. No Expo announcement. Just that "12-times-a-year" thing. Anyway. We'll see Tuesday.
From: tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,,comp.sys.next.hardware,,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: TCS computer systems flyer at Expo Message-ID: <19q54B1w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 93 20:01:23 CDT Organization: TCS Consulting Services For anyone who is going to be attending the Expo late Wednesday and Thursday you can get my flyer at the Athena Design booth. There are many hardware specs on the back of the flyer which might prove informative for those looking at various components to put in their systems. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS Systems: TCS-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu (Matt Rollefson) Subject: Re: Has NeXT Released Hardware Specs for NS/I? Message-ID: <1993May26.040037.22344@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Residential Computing, Stanford University References: <1tu75tINNp0p@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Wed, 26 May 93 04:00:37 GMT In comp.sys.next.advocacy fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: >I may be premature, but has NeXT released the hardware requirements for >NS/I yet? I am waiting to see which how strongly EISA ports are >recommended for >the system, and which vendors (DELL, Gateway, etc.) sell systems capable of >running NeXTSTEP out of the box. There is a hard-copy of the current supported configurations being supplied at NeXTWORLD EXPO. In addition, on-line updates to this guide are (according to the guide) going to be made available through nextanswers. So far as I have been able to determine, this is a new way that NeXT is planning to distribute technical support across the net. Send email to nextanswers@next.com with the subject "help index" and you'll get some information, including how to grab the compatibility information. Their blurb on NeXTanswers: ***************************************************************************** If you have trouble reading any message from NeXTanswers, send your request again with the keyword "ASCII". If you still can't read the mail reply, please request the document via FAX by calling (415) 780-3990 [NOT WORKING]. For help using NeXTanswers, send a request with the keyword "HELP". ***************************************************************************** [document #1119, 1119_NeXTanswers_News] This file contains the lastest news and status of the entire NeXTanswers project. It will be updated regularly. --Dan Grillo underlying Document system -------------------------- The auto indexing is running. All documents get automatically shadowed in the AsciiDocuments and CompressedDocuments directories. The Documents directory is being populated with NSFIP config info, NEXTSTEP in Focus issues, Questions and Answers, and supported hardware listings. Engineering, Software Quality, Pubs, CST, and Marketing are contributing. The Document tree is now also getting indexed with ixbuild. Email system (nextanswers@next.com) ---------------------------------- The email system is up and running. You might have noticed NeXTanswers was very broken the afternoon of May 21. It was nothing serious, Dan is just a bonehead. Anonymous FTP (ftp.next.com) ---------------------------- Anonymous FTP access to the NeXTanswers documents is currently being set up. The AsciiDocuments and CompressedDocuments trees will be availible to the public. Bulletin Board System (nextbbs, no phone number yet) ---------------------------------------------------- A BBS system for downloading NeXTanswers data is planned. Like FTP, it will offer direct access to the AsciiDocuments and the CompressedDocuments trees. It will support X, Y and Z modem. Fax-Back System (415 780 3990) ------------------------------ The fax system is not completed. WAIS & Gopher ------------ Planned, but unknown status. ------ Hope this helps. Rollie -- Matt Rollefson ("Rollie") draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu Residential Computing, Stanford University NeXTmail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cz@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Christopher R. Zach) Subject: 3.0 Upgrade from 2.0. HOW! Message-ID: <1993May25.232659.6358@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Summary: Slab doesn't want to boot from the CDROM, and I have no floppy Sender: news@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Distribution: na Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 23:26:59 GMT Hi. Subject says it all. It is finally time to upgrade my 2.0 Next to the wonders of 3.0. However before I run off and upgrade, I have a few questions: First it seems that I can't boot off the OD. So, I need to boot off the 3.0 floppy disk. But I dont HAVE the bootable floppy. Could someone dd theirs and send me a copy (let me know BEFORE you send. My mailbox can't handle 30 people each sending me a 2.5mb uuencoded file). NextMail is welcome. Second, what kind of surprises should I expect while upgrading. I heard that the upgrade program deliberately wipes out icon.app, so I might want to protect it. What else is affected, from an applications point of view. Will CoXist 2.0 still work? Thanks CZ
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Interrupt lines on Intel 80x86 chips? Date: 26 May 1993 00:14:34 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tv5cq$45f@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <1993May25.185917.3544@ornl.gov> In article <1993May25.185917.3544@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) writes: :In article <1993May25.172746.18150@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> :halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: : :I see a lot of mention about the number of interrupts and the interrupt :controllers, but what I am asking is how many hardware lines actually :go to the cpu chip that are designated as interrupt lines. I believe :it is two(2) on the 80x86. The basic hardware interrupts are :determined at this level. They may cause an interrupt controller or :other hardware/software to be involked which gives rise to many :vectorized or other interrupts, but they are not cpu hardware interrupt :states. :... :The core system can enter "race" conditions when multiple simultaneous :interrupts are encountered, especially if a higher priority interrupt :is encountered while servicing a lower priority one. If this happens :rapidly enough, then a lockup can occur. On a unix system (mach) :connected to an Ethernet and several disk controllers and running :multiple processors, including servicing the internal clock interrupt, :the potential is there. The 68040 and most RISC chips have separate :physical lines for interrupting the cpu and involking separate contexts :depending upon whether the interrupt is generated by the internal :clock, the disk controller, the ethernet controller, etc., thus :reducing significantly the possibility of "race" conditions. To my :knowledge, there is no such ability on the 80x86 chip set. This is nonsense. Intel based machines use an external interrupt controller. It doesn't matter how many interrupt lines go into the CPU, you just need one with an external interrupt controller. The external interrupt controller deals with the priorities. I have never in my life heard race conditions described quite as you have described them. Simply put, race conditions very rarely occur and when they do there are specific steps taken to deal with them, usually in the hardware. Let me describe the various interrupt subsystems: (1) 68xxx interrupt subsystem The 68000 has three major pins to deal with interrupts. Basically, the highest pending interrupt level between 1-7 is encoded on the pins (0 indicates no interrupt). These pins are actually active low so you invert the binary interrupt level. Anybody who has dealt with hardware knows that all you basically need is a 74HC148 or equivalent to encode 7 hardware lines into 3. Race conditions: The only possible race condition occurs when more then one interrupt line going into the 74HC148 changes state at once. This can cause the 3 bit output to be in an indeterminant state when the 68xxxx samples its 3 interrupt input pins, causing it to sample an incorrect interrupt level. The 68000 avoids the problem by sampling the pins multiple times and comparing the results... it ignores the lines until they become stable. Stabilization in the absolute worst case might take a microsecond based on a reasonably fast clock rate and the sampling interval. Even then, such a case does not occur often. More likely to occur are race conditions in interrupt chains... interrupts hanging off the same IPL level. Interrupt response: When the 68xxx recognizes an interrupt it goes through an interrupt acknowledge cycle. This cycle is used to synchronize the actual incomming interrupt. If, due to various conditions, the interrupt is not real, external synchronizing hardware and/or the device the 68xxxx thought caused the interrupt will respond with a vector number reserved for spurious interrupts causing the 68xxx to execute a handler which normally consists of nothing more then an RTE instruction. Essentially, a nop, and certainly not something that would ever crash the processor. 68xxx processors run an interrupt acknowledge cycle which is basically a read cycle of a special address that includes the encoding of the interrupt level. The interrupting device responds by placing an 8 bit vector representing one of 256 possible interrupt vectors. the processor uses the vector to lookup the interrupt vector from (usually) low memory. There is also a mechanism called autovectoring which tells the procssor to use certain fixed vectors rather then obtain a dynamic vector. Therefore, even though you might have several devices hanging off the SAME interrupt priority level, each can provide a different set of vectors to the processor and therefore not interfere with each other. Such devices are generally daisy chained together. There is usually NO RACE CONDITION due to the daisy chaining because the interrupt logic is generally latched at the beginning of the interrupt ack cycle. by the time the 68xxx actually reads the data 100nS (depends) later, the combinational logic representing the interrupt chain will have long since stabilized. It is possible for a device interrupt to 'go away' between the time the processor polls its IPL level and runs the vector aquisition cycle in which case the processor will read a vector reserved for spurious interrupts and, as I said, execute the equivalent of a NOP. (1) ISA/8086 interrupt subsystem INTEL processors use a similar mechanism. 80x86 processors have a single interrupt input line (lets forget about the NMI, ok?). Various versions of these processor may contain additional interrupt lines but internally it comes down to exactly one (and, when you think about it, the motorola processors are only slightly more sophisticated). INTEL processors depend on an external interrupt controller but are fully as capable of dealing with vectored interrupts as moto processors. When an intel processor gets an interrupt it goes through an interrupt acknowledge cycle similiar to the 68xxx if a bit more messy. It obtains an 8 bit vector number which is then used to lookup an interrupt vector from low memory. Race conditions: Generally the 8259 interrupt controller is used. I personally know of no race conditions in the chip, it samples its interrupt inputs synchronously and handles the interrupt priority mechanism itself. You have to send the chip commands to clear interrupt conditions and do other things rather then being able to do it with an internal instruction (on a 68000 you can fiddle with the processor IPL level with a MOVE ,SR instruction). Race conditions do occur but have nothing to do with simultanious interrupts at different IPL. INTEL processors with interrupts chained at the same priority level have the same problem that motorola processors do, and the most likely cause of a spurious interrupt is also the same... the interrupting condition goes away between the IPL aqusition and interrupt acknowledge cycle. This is more prone to happen in an INTEL system since locking out interrupts is expensive. This business about having only 8 (or 16) interrupts is related to PC hardware. Specifically, it is a limitation of the ISA bus. If you have an EISA machine with EISA boards you *DO* have the capability to generate vectored interrupts. ISA machines do not... you have to nest handlers and, in fact, cannot even share any particular interrupt line. On the ISA bus, interrupt lines are not wire-or and only one device can manipulate any given interrupt line at once. The most obvious result is that even though you can have four standard serial ports on an ISA machine, only *TWO* of those four (one on int 3 and one on int 4) can be enabled simultaniously. Otherwise you have to go with multi-port boards which require their own device drivers. This is viable with NeXTStep but not so viable in a nominal MSDOS environment because programs generally go straight to the ports. GENERAL: On a motorola system you simply use a MOVE ,SR instruction (when necessary) to lockout interrupts at the IPL of the device you are about to fiddle with. You then fiddle with the device and restore the IPL with another MOVE ,SR. Since interrupts are locked. This sequence guarentees that no spurious interrupt will occur due to an interrupt occuring just as you change it because the processor will ignore those requests due to the processor IPL being >= interrupting device's IPL. On an INTEL system you have to send a command to the 8259 to disable the interrupt in question before you fiddle with the device to avoid the same situation. While the procssor does have instructions to disable and enable all interrupts (except NMI of course), it is pretty much useless for all but system-wide atomic operations because it disables everything rather then just the ones you need to disable. :the brain dead OS on most PCs can't handle networking and many :simultaneously interrupting tasks anyway, so this isn't a problem. I'm :concerned when that hardware is faced with running a multi-user, :multi-process, multiple "simultaneous" hardware interrupts, what will :it do. Interrupts are not a problem, at least not in the case you describe. The problem is generally hardware design for boards that require DMA and in software designs that assume a particular minimum interrupt response time. This is especially true in many serial subsystems which have to tickle the RTS line manually (similar to the problems the NeXT boxes had before hardware flow control). EISA outright removes many of the problems, though you still can have problems with ISA boards stuck in EISA buses that do not know any better. Fortunately, Windows has weeded out many of these bad designs. Certainly the medium to high-end boards do not have these kinds of problems. I would like to note that INTEL chips in general are not as careful about asynchronous signals as MOTO chips are... the 82C54 (and its higher end version) is a perfect example. This is a timer chips that synchronizes off external clock inputs independant of any bus operation in progress... race conditions ARE possible when the input clocks are not a derivative of the system clock. There are other chips with known problems related to race conditions unrelated to INTEL and MOTO... the 65C22, for example, has at least three race-condition bugs in it that occur even with synchronous operation. :> >stability and reboot frequency I'm going to remain skeptical about :> >80x86 implementations. :> :I'm not skeptical about the version of the software, I'm concerned :about the fundamental limitations of the hardware itself. Go with an EISA machine then. EISA removes most of the fundamental limitations even if boards do not take full advantage of it. It still is not, in my opinion, anywhere near as good as most motorola based bus designs (something like the Amiga's Zoro-III bus design blows EISA away). I'm not familiar with NeXT's bus design but I've never heard of anyone hanging enough I/O off the NeXT for it to matter. As far as bandwidth goes, I would suggest an EISA machine with localbus slots. -Matt :> >- - - - - - - - - :> >J. W. Wooten :> :> -Steve :> -- :> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ :> Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com :> :> "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum : :-- :- - - - - - - - - :J. W. Wooten
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sherlock@holmes.bsd.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: Cost effective Monocrome NS/FIP hardware????? Message-ID: <1993May26.013606.2042@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations References: <GISLI.93May23120534@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 01:36:06 GMT In article <GISLI.93May23120534@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) writes: > > > I am amazed how little interest there seems to be in running NS/FIP in > Monocrome. In an earlier posting I asked about hardware requirements > for Mono and got lots of 'me-too' e-mail messages but no answers. > Subsequent questions by others have yet to generate a discussion. > A lot of people could not care less about Color! > > Is there really not a way to assamble a Mono 486 system that is much > cheaper than a Color 486 system? Is there no source for big (>19"), > high resolution (ca. NeXTstation Mono) monocrome monitors for 486 > computers? > > Case in point. The price of admission for a fully equipped 19" DX2-66 > color system appears to be in the $5000-$6000 range with the monitor > accounting for approximately $2000. Taking into account the smaller > memory and graphic hardware requirements for Monocrome operation could > one reasonably expect to shave $1000-$2000 of the above total? Has > anyone assembled such a system? > > Gisli > > PS. We are scrapping two old Apollos with excellent 1280x??? 19" > monocrome monitors. Would it be possible to use these monitors with > a 486? I agree! These are very good questions! --sherlock
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Wall Street Journal Article Message-ID: <C7M32v.Fv2@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown References: <C7LC53.ICy@dove.nist.gov> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 02:04:06 GMT In article <C7LC53.ICy@dove.nist.gov> eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) writes: > Does anyone want to bother to scan or type the article for us folks on > usenet who don't get the journal? Well, I'm out sick today with little to do ... I hope I've got the stamina to get through this; it's a long one. Excerpted from THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, Tuesday May 25, 1993: What's Next? Steve Jobs's Vision, So on Target at Apple, Now is Falling Short He Struggles to Win a Niche In the Computer Industry After a Series of Missteps Deep Faith in His Own Genius By G. PASCAL ZACHARY and KEN YAMADA Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL 1993 Dow Jones and Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved REDWOOD CITY, Calif. -- Steven P. Jobs has been having a tought time. In February, his computer company, Next Inc., stopped making computers. In March, his president and chief financial officer quit. Then, several big computer makers - some of which he had hoped would use his software - formed a software alliance that excluded Next. How is Mr. Jobs taking all this? The loss of hardware brightened Next's future, and the pared-down company needed fewer managers anyway, he says. And, he wrote to employees after the Next-less aliance was reported, In reality, today's announcements are a serious victory for Next . . . . All this is vintage Steve Jobs. The 38-year-old co-founder of Apple Computer Inc. is a spellbinding spinner of visions, the most famous being his once-unconventional ideas that foresaw the personal-computer revolution. For years, his biggest strength was his ability to mesmerize even savvy people with sales pitches for new, but sometimes flawed, products. Since Aple ousted him in 1985, however, his vision of creating another major computer company has begun to look like a pipe dream. His closely held Next, which he once predicted would kill now-huge Sun Microsystems Inc., has never turned a net profit and has nearly exhausted $125 million in cash from backers such as Ross Perot and Canon Inc. of Japan. Today, Mr. Jobs is unveiling a software program for Intel Corp.'s line of microprocessors, a program that he protrays as crucial to Next's future. The program, called NextStep, has won acclaim from software critics because it makes customizing programs quick and easy, but until today the software ran only on Next's own ill-fated computers, which weren't compatible with Intel's industry-standard chips. His Latest Vision Mr. Jobs envisions his NextStep-for-Intel product as an industry rallying point. He says that out of frustration with Microsoft Corp., which dominates the so-called system-software business that he is entering, heavyweights such as Hewlett-Packard Co., Sun Microsystems and Novell Inc. will meld NextStep into their own software strategies, making it a de facto standard. But so far industry reaction has been cool, with just a handful of PC makers, such as Hewlett-Packard and Dell Computer Corp., agreeing to offer NextStep simply as an option to customers. This gives Mr. Jobs a shot at surviving as a niche player but not a chance to return to stardom. The reason: While he couldn't make up his mind about putting NextStep on standard hardware, his chief rivals - Microsoft, Novell and a partnership between Apple and International Business Machines Corp. - began scrambling to match NextStep's features. Failing to jump on Intel's bandwagon faster has cost him valuable time, says John Warnock, chairman of Adobe Systems Inc. and a longtime friend. All this amounts to a steep fall from a very lofty perch. Mr. Jobs led and inspired the team that created the most acclaimed personal comuter, Apple's Macintosh, but his Next workstation seems destined to become a high-tech museum relic. He himself is fighting to show he still matters in the computer industry. People have stopped paying attention to him, says Richard Shaffer, editor of Computer Letter. It's sad. Changing Circumstances Indeed, the decline of Mr. Jobs illustrates the way, in corporate affairs, a powerful personality can generate either a bonanza or a disaster, depending on the milieu. His legendary traits - his imperiousness, his demand for complete control, his faith in his own genius - served him well at Apple, where he had to overcome much skepticism, but badly at Next. His insistence on complete control over a project with IBM, for example, doomed a 1989 agreement that would have lent Big Blue's backing to Next's software. And he lost valuable time last year when hi ignored advisers' repeated warnings that Next couldn't compete in hardware and should become a software company. He insisted that new machines would save Next, says Vincent Jordan, director of sofware development at WilTel Corp. and a member of a Next advisory board. `The boy just isn't getting it,' Mr. Jordan recalls thinking It was like, `Dude, stay in touch.' In the good old days at Apple, no one had to suggest that Mr. Jobs stay in touch. With no formal training in computing, he divined the shape of things to come. His product planning amounted to making what he liked. Although this led to big flops such as the Lisa and Apple III, computers that didn't sell and drained resources, it also resulted in the Apple II, the first wildly popular PC, and later the elegant and easy-to-use Macintosh. His personality quirks were tolerated. Insisting on insanely great work, he bullied subordinates who didn't meet his standards and publicly scoffed at defectors. If we wanted to, we could crush you like a bug, he once warned an Apple employee who quite to start his own firm. He often treated business partners with disdain, too. In the early 1980s, for example, he upbraided Microsoft Chief Executive William Gates III for writing non-Apple software. He would order Mr. Gates to fly to Apple headquarters at a moment's notice, Stephen Manes and Paul Andrews write in their book Gates. The two journalists add: At the time, Gates had little choice but to oblige. Jobs was the industry's top dog. But after a sales slump in 1985, Mr. Jobs was ousted as chairman by Apple's board amid complaints that he was arrogant, hot headed and unwilling to heed criticism. Mr. Jobs had a vision so pure that he couldn't accomodate . . . the world, John Sculley, who bested Mr. Jobs in the boardroom battle for Apple's reins, wrote later. After leaving Apple, Mr. Jobs founded Next, bringing with him several loyalists who were bent on creating a path-breaking computer. Steve Jobs told us: `I'm going to build the world's best machines for academic computing,' recalls Raymond Neff, vice president for information services at Case Western Reserve University. Flawed Vision But this time, Mr. Jobs's vision proved flawed. The Macinstosh had sold well despite its defects - it was slow and expensive - because it was so easy to use. Mr. Jobs sought to take that tack further at Next, combining easy-to-use softare with newfangled gadgets such as an optical-disk drive. But unlike the Macintosh, which had flourished in a largely untapped market, the expensive, slow Next machine had to take on big, entrenched rivals when it was introduced in 1988. Steve's trouble was the he tried to do another Apple, says Jean-Louis Gassee, a former Apple executive. He is like a person who goes from marriage to marriage trying to get the same relationship. Mr. Jobs tenaciously stuck to his visions even though his allies advocated changes. One befuddling example was his insistence that Next's computers have only the optical-disk drive instead of industry-standard floppy-disk drives. Mr. Jobs said the optical drive would let users carry all their files and software around one one disk - a vision he called The World in Your Pocket. His argument, says a former colleague, was that we've figured it out and everyone else will catch up. Optical-disk drives are indeed expected to become standard in the future, but Mr. Jobs was too far ahead of the crowd. Software makers refused to put programs on optical disks, and Next's distributors, customers and engineers clamored for a floppy drive. In late 1989, frustration with Mr. Jobs's intransigence boiled over at a staff meeting, where an employee asked him when Next would install floppy drives; Mr. Jobs insisted a floppy wasn't necessary. Another employee persisted, and soon the meeting erupted in a chant: We need a f------ floppy! We need a f------ floppy!. Still, Mr. Jobs refused, though he relented soon afterward, agreeing to design a floppy into a future model. A Stunning Deal With IBM Despte a weak start, Mr. Jobs inked a stuning deal with IBM in 1989 that coulb have turned NextStep into a big player. IBM, then heavily dependent on Microsoft for operating software, agreed to adapt NextStep for its own PCs and workstations. Big Blue's backing appeared to ensure Mr. Jobs's rebound in the computer industry; if IBM used NextStep, its rival would soon want it, and NextStep's spread would help Next's computer sales. But at the crucial moment, Mr. Jobs doomed the deal by insisting on complete control over NextStep's future uses and development, says Dan'l Lewin, a Next co-founder and Mr. Jobs's second-in-command at the time. Steve got afraid that IBM was going to take away some of Next's hardware business by packaging NextStep with IBM machines, Mr. Lewin says. So he kept total control over the development of NextStep, and that eliminated the chance that IBM would back it because IBM will not ship a product that they cannot at least shape the future of. Mr. Jobs says the IBM deal foundered because IBM insisted on getting the rights to any future Next software and wanted Next's software to run on top of IBM's own operating system. But Lee Reiswig, chief of IBM's PC-software business, says IBM might have used NextStep as its future operating system if Mr. Jobs had agreed to quickly adapt it to Intel microprocessors and not been so afraid of IBM hurting his hardware business. We just couldn't get him across the hurdle, so we began to look at alternatives, Mr. Reiswig says. Eventually, IBM formed a joint venture with Apple, called Taligent, to build an operating system that more than duplicated NextStep. A Long, Slow Slide Next went into a long, slow slide. Mr. Jobs's concentration on higher-education markets gave way to an interest in selling to corporations. But in that rough-and-tumble market, rivals such as Hewlett-Packard and Sun turned out faster models more quickly and at lower prices, and Next's sales failed to grow much. Mr. Jobs compounded his problems by doggedly sticking to a Motorola Inc. microprocessor that his rivals were abandoning in favor of faster chips. At the same time, Mr. Jobs dragged his feet on a product that many considered Next's most important: a version of NextStep that runs on PCs using Intel's 486 microprocessor. He said in January 1992 that the Intel version would be out by fall of 1992, but the project hit serious delays. Next's customers urged Mr. Jobs to stop pouring resources into hardware development and concentrate on developing software, especially the Intel version. His reaction was so cool that, a day before a group of advisers was to meet with im in June 1992, they agreed to confront him with a unanimous message: Next couldn't compete in software while hardware investments in new models were draining its resources. Mr. Jobs, enamored with his machines, ignored the advice. Meanwhile, Mr. Jobs's chief lieutenants began jumping ship; by last fall, every significant co-founder had left. Those that remained, while attracted by Mr. Jobs's virtues, were increasingly subjected to his legendary temper. Everybody just lived in fear of him, says Max Henry, a Next vice president who left to start a software company. He would spend a lot more time beating up people than thanking them for doing it right. By late last year, Peter van Cuylenberg, then Next's chief operating officer, was telling Mr. Jobs that Next would run out of money in 1993 if it didn't make drastic changes. Mr. Jobs finally endorsed a software-only plan in February, when Next closed its computer factory and said it would lay off more than half its 536 employees. It made me sad, but we had no choice, Mr. Jobs says. Many disappointed Sadder still are those who bought his visions. Many who joined Next expected to cash in stock options when it went public, as Mr. Jobs promised it would (but hasn't). Avadis Tevanian, a Next software designer, chose to work for Mr. Jobs in 1988, rejecting a job offer from Mr. Gates, who wooed him with Microsoft stock options that would now be valued at millions of dollars. I'd be lying to you if I told you I had no regrets at all, says Mr. Tevanian, who adds that Next still offers him a wonderful creative challenge. I can compute right down to the dollar what my net worth would be if I'd joined Microsoft. Investors such as Mr. Perot and Canon have also taken a hit. In 1989, Canon invested $100 million in Next for a 17% stake, plus another $15 million in credit convertible into stock. In 1987, Next received $20 million from Mr. Perot, the Texas billionaire. A Canon spokesman says the Japanese company is studying ways to recoup value from its investment. A spokesman for Mr. Perot declines to comment. Mr. Jobs's new start as a software company probably has come too late. When NextStep was released four years ago, it used a path-breaking approach called object-oriented programming, in which programmers can plug together modular pieces of software to create programs more quickly. Today, object programming has been widely embraced, putting Mr. Jobs's competitive position at risk. Microsoft, for instance, suggests its code writers already have surpassed NextStep. We're doing a lot more than NextStep, and we'll have it finished a lot sooner than he thinks, says Jim Allchin, who leads Microsoft's development effort. Indeed, Michael Slade, who left Microsoft two years ago to become Mr. Jobs's chief lieutenant, says he left Next in November rather than butt heads with the Goliaths. I wanted to get out of businesses where you're directly competing with [Microsoft], Mr. Slade says. A Significant Defeat In April, Mr. Jobs was also dealt a significant defeat when IBM, Hewlett-Packard, Sun, Novell and several other software concerns formed their alliance to standardize important aspects of workstation software - and left out Next. In a March 17 memo to employees, Mr. Jobs found a silver lining in the snub, telling colleagues that the allies had not chosen anything instead of NextStep either. Moreover, he wrote his staff that HP and Novell really like NextStep . . . While this is true, neither company plans to put NextStep at the center of its software strategy, say knowledgeable people. Even Mr. Jobs's supporters are pessimistic. Lawrence Ellison, chairman of Oracle Corp. and a close friend, says that for Mr. Jobs to return to the major leagues, he must persuade a leading player such as Novell to take a sizeable equity stake in Next and agreeto co-develop and market future versions of NextStep. Simply having persuaded PC makers to sell NextStep as one of many software options won't propel Mr. Jobs back to computing's mainstream, he says. Former close associates say he needs to just go on to something else, if he wants to rise to the top of PC world again. But George Crowe, a Next co-founder who left recently, feels the odds are Mr. Jobs, who insists he will ride out the storm at Next, won't jump ship. He's really staked his reputation on Next, and I don't see how he can walk away, Mr. Crowe says. Mr. Jobs, undaunted, spins visions of battles that Next is poised to win. In the march 17 memo, he accused Sun of trying to thwart Next's efforts, contending, We represent a real threat to their aspirations to become a major software player, and I think they would rather have us dead than alive. (Sun's chief executive, Scott McNealy, responds: I don't think a company the size of Next survives, no matter how impressive its technology. ) Yet Mr. Jobs talks of NextStep as the operating system of the '90s, partly because everyone wants an alternative to Microsoft. And he continues to contend that Mr. Gates can't match his own record of innovation. Being the richest man in the cemetery doesn't matter to me, he says. 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From: tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP/FIP Evaluation Kit Message-ID: <gXk64B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 93 06:42:27 CDT References: <1993May25.232405.1099@microsoft.com> Organization: TCS Consulting Services jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: > > NeXT is apparently offering an Evaluation Kit for customers > eager to evaluate NEXTSTEP/FIP. The kit will supposedly be > available from May 25 through July 31, at a cost of $299. > > The kit will include the following: > > - NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Intel Processors, including full > "user" version product and documentation. > > - NS developer CDROM with complete developer package, > as well as a coupon for 50% off printed docs. > > - NEXTSTEP Advantage Kit which includes a booklet, video- > cassette, and diskette w/ sample software. > > - NEXTSTEP Programming, a book by Garfinkel & Mahoney. > How can we get this? And what limitations are there in the license? Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS Systems: TCS-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Wall Street Journal, 26-May-93 Message-ID: <1993May26.122015.227@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: LoftTech Incorporated Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 12:20:15 GMT Today's Wall Street Journal contains several items of interest to the NeXT community. Following on the heels of yesterday's "NeXT Obituary" (my term), a very negative article on Steve Jobs and NeXT's prospects, today's stuff is more news than anything else. Item 1: Page A1 the right column contains a feature story on Windows NT, focusing on Cutler, but containing lots of interesting reading, especially for programmers. Universal commentary is that it is too damn big, requires too much memory, and doesn't handle Windows programs as intended. They talk about putting in custom hacks to allow the 200 most important Windows programs to run. Item 2: A joint ad by Hewlett-Packard and NeXT announcing "Object Enterprise", which is never described clearly. Appears to be some layer on NEXTSTEP, possibly with protocols allowing non-NEXTSTEP systems to communicate with NeXT objects. The all caps of NEXTSTEP in the ad, which must be considered official, is no less than the 4th unique capitalization I have seen. One can assume the ad is mostly NeXT's doing. 1-800-TRY-NEXT is the only phone number given. Item 3: Page B6. An article reporting apparent announcements at NeXTWorld (although the conference wasn't mentioned) regarding H-P and NeXT agreeing to port NEXTSTEP to "some H-P computers". Further down, it says that H-P "... said it will begin offering to customers, as an option, its workstations with the NextStep software in the second quarter of 1994. H-P also said it is working on a Next software product, expected in the fourth quarter of 1993, that will help manage networks of H-P computers." The last sounds like NetInfo, but could be the Object Enterprise thing mentioned in the ad. Note the unique spelling of "NextStep". Capitalization number 5! NeXTWorld attendees, please report the show versions of these announcements if you can. Overall, this WSJ is worth picking up if you don't regularly get it. --J Gregory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.misc From: mdw@violin.hr.att.com (Mark Wuest) Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal Article Message-ID: <C7n0E8.Br4@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Originator: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 14:03:43 GMT Well, I, for one, did not find the WSJ article all that offensive. Hopefully, SJ's concession to go software-only is an indication of a change in his ability to listen to advice... I just finished "animating" the icon for my X (OL) app. If you saw the hoops ya gotta go through just to get it to change colors... (Ok, it's not really *that* bad ... but you gotta grab and handle the expose events - XCopyArea() works fine - for it yourself.) I'm proud of my fancy icon, though. NeXTSTEP *IS* BETTER! Somehow, SJ's mix of personality characteristics helped create something Very Good. Shoot, if he could figure out a way to get in with NCR (they have the cool parallel architecture with Intel chips - even have a product with parallel Pentiums now), we might even see a few more NeXTSTEP screens here at AT&T. If the HP thing works out, we might anyway... If Sun and NeXT could bury the hatchet, ... Anyway, I just wanted to say that I felt the Journal article wasn't VERY far off the mark, though the between-the-lines predictions of the failure of NeXT are likely way off. 'Hope this doesn't brand me a NeXT-hater. I love NeXTSTEP. Well, I like it a lot. Mark -- Mark Wuest | *MY* opinions, not AT&T's!! mdw@violin.hr.att.com (Sun Mailtool Ok) | mdw@trumpet.hr.att.com (NeXT Mail) |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: NeXTWorld Expo News Message-ID: <1993May26.152723.4865@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Wed, 26 May 93 15:27:23 GMT OK, for all you hungry people out there, here's a summary of salient points from NeXTWorld Expo. All are from memory, so I might not have all the details right, and I may have forgotten a few things. * HP PA-RISC Port / HP Alliance NeXT announced an alliance with HP (called Object-Enterprise) to jointly develop and market various products, with an initial focus on financial services industry. As part of this deal, NS is being ported to HP PA, and is expected to ship Q2 of 94. It is already running on HP servers. * NS/I Ships NS/I DID ship. People were carrying boxes of shrink-wrap software all over the expo. * Photo-CD Support Photo-CD support is included in 3.1, together with a demo app (Photo Album) that lets you access the images. * 3.2 Upgrades are free 3.2 upgrades will be free to 3.1 buyers. * $299 Developer bundle. Special offer for developers: complete NS user environment, complete NS developer environment (but no docs), an a copy of Garfinkel and Mahoney's programming book for $299. This is not a typo. $299. The offer runs to July 31 and does NOT include a free upgrade to 3.2. * NeXTTime NeXT announced and demoed a new video compression/decompression software. Its based on wavelet technology, whatever that is, and allows compression to be as rapid as decompression (thus allowing video conferecing, for eg). Steve demoed this by showing a 5-minute, 60MB movie made by LucasFilm to promote its THX sound system. Amazing. * New vendors announced Compaq, NEC, one other, were added to the list of vendors that will ship NS pre-installed on request. A _very_ large variety of white boxes were running NS on the show floor. * Orders NeXT listed major orders for NS/I totalling 40,000 copies, to be delivered over the next two years. * Que mas? There's probably more, but I need to run off to class right now. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: How are commercial software packaged? Message-ID: <1993May26.153512.5180@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1tud5n$74v@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 26 May 93 15:35:12 GMT Tin-Yau Fung writes > To those people attending the expo, how is software > going to be packaged in the future? Intel binaries and > Motorola binaries packaged separatly? Mopst vendors I asked said they're planning to ship fat binaries. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: michael@tar.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Date: 26 May 93 13:47:33 Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <MICHAEL.93May26134733@tar.wft.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1ttco1$2o5@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <1tujrk$3co@moonshot.west.oic.com> In-reply-to: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com's message of 25 May 1993 19:15:16 -0700 In article <1tujrk$3co@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: Personally I would rather not have separate directories, at least not until other platforms are supported. It would add too much confusion and NeXT has indicated that fat binaries are not significantly larger then single-platform binaries. NeXT has made a concerted effort to make multi-platform packages workable and we should at least give them a chance. I would thin the new intel users would prefer not havin to download all kinds op net packages just to find out there m68k only. One thing the archive maintainers could do is make a directory for each architecture (m68k, i386, etc.). And just link together FAT binaries which should be in both trees. I think this is a good short term solution. Perhaps a better thing to have would be a strip program to remove the 'other' platforms from a binary. After all, disk space is a much greater end-user problem than network bandwidth / upload / download times. Installer.app has the option to thin out the binaries while installing. Michael -- Life, don't talk to me about life. --Marvin (HHGTTG) | NeXTMail works |
From: bill@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal Article Date: 26 May 1993 11:32:16 -0700 Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program Message-ID: <1u0d3g$eua@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu> References: <C7n0E8.Br4@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mdw@violin.hr.att.com (Mark Wuest) writes: >Anyway, I just wanted to say that I felt the Journal article wasn't >VERY far off the mark, though the between-the-lines predictions of the >failure of NeXT are likely way off. The Wall Street Journal is in the position of providing reliable information for business people. It is not a cheerleader for underdogs unless the underdogs appear to be a rising star. Steve Jobs apparently has not convinced them that his star is still shining. Since he's made a fairly unimpressive showing lately, it's not reasonable for the WSJ to laud him unless they think NS486 is really destined to succeed. Since there's an Expo and HP announcements, it's reasonable for the WSJ to provide some background to a name business people might be hearing right now. Caveat emptor. Jobs is fighting for his business life right now. I hope he does well. But in making equipment and software purchases, I have to look at what's available now and how I'll be able to use the product in the future. I just bought this TurboColor in December. I like it, but now adding on peripherals and applications is in part a dead end. Many businesses can't afford to invest in dead ends. A reputation is important. Obviously when you're a smaller player, you have less control over circumstances. But if the public begins to lose trust in your decisions, you have to earn it back, and blaming the press or a competitor is hardly worth the effort. Ask Bill Clinton. -- {{{{ bill eldridge 310-206-3960 x }}}} {{{{ bill@cognet.ucla.edu 310-206-3987 fax xxx }}}} {{{{ ~more, ~better, ~faster [80's motto] x }}}} {{{{ ~hot, ~toxic, and ~shallow [90's motto] }}}}
From: woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu (William O'Neill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Impossible to order the Education package! Message-ID: <1993May26.182923.23948@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Date: 26 May 93 18:29:23 GMT References: <1tue8v$8h6@usenet.rpi.edu> Sender: news@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu (NetWork News (readnews)) Organization: Temple University Garance A. Drosehn (gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu) wrote: : While the route NeXT has chosen makes a lot of sense for most everyone : involved (for a variety of reasons), it does mean that you have to go thru : some campus store to get the package. The overhead of having each student : calling up someplace (anyplace), having each of them order one copy, and : having each of them prove that they are indeed entitled to the special : discount is just too costly to justify doing. I can understand the point of verifying each individual student but I was trying to order for our computer services department. Surely it's not too hard to verify that Temple University is an educational institution? -- <cut along dotted line> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bill O'Neill The Woneill Temple University woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu 7th Floor Computer Activity Building Usenet News administrator Broad & Montgomery Avenues IRC operator Philadelphia, PA 19122 Cynical Temple Student
From: "Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP! Bootable 3.0 Floppy????? Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 15:50:45 -0400 Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <8g0wcJ200iMF8XF0R0@andrew.cmu.edu> What are the bare minumum files that have to be present to boot a NeXT '040 Cube standalone with a floppy? Preferably so that the machine can mount a CD-ROM drive? Need to revive a dead Cube... ASAP! Thanks in Advance!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |Jeremy Mereness | Support | Ye Olde Disclaimer: | |zonker+@cmu.edu (internet) | Free | The above represent my| | FAST Project, CMU-GSIA | Software| opinions, alone. | |B.S. Mechanical Engineering, CMU| | Ya Gotta Love It. | | Every Silver Lining's Got a Touch of Grey | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This year marks the 200th anniversary of the Bill of Rights
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) Subject: NeXTWorld Video Tape Message-ID: <1993May26.200311.10209@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: Video Tape Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 20:03:11 GMT Did anyone happen to notice if Steve's remarks where being video taped? Last year a video tape was sent to all NeXT user groups that could not attend. Being the government our excuse is financial. It was a great tool (video tape) in selling NeXT technology. Please help!! Thanks! O ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: Interrupt lines on Intel 80x86 chips? Message-ID: <1993May26.200952.3826@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1993May25.172746.18150@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <1993May25.185917.3544@ornl.gov> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 20:09:52 GMT In article <1993May25.185917.3544@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov writes: >In article <1993May25.172746.18150@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> >halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: >> In article <1993May24.171458.12262@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov writes: ... >The core system can enter "race" conditions when multiple simultaneous >interrupts are encountered, especially if a higher priority interrupt >is encountered while servicing a lower priority one. If this happens >rapidly enough, then a lockup can occur. On a unix system (mach) >connected to an Ethernet and several disk controllers and running >multiple processors, including servicing the internal clock interrupt, >the potential is there. The 68040 and most RISC chips have separate >physical lines for interrupting the cpu and involking separate contexts >depending upon whether the interrupt is generated by the internal >clock, the disk controller, the ethernet controller, etc., thus >reducing significantly the possibility of "race" conditions. To my >knowledge, there is no such ability on the 80x86 chip set. Fortunately >the brain dead OS on most PCs can't handle networking and many >simultaneously interrupting tasks anyway, so this isn't a problem. I'm >concerned when that hardware is faced with running a multi-user, >multi-process, multiple "simultaneous" hardware interrupts, what will >it do. There was a great reply by another person on the net, so I wont bother to go over extraneous details.. Basically it works, and it works for real systems. There have been a number of multiprocessor 80x86 designs, and real operating systems like Windows NT use symmetric multiprocessing just fine. ... >- - - - - - - - - >J. W. Wooten -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Cost effective Monocrome NS/FIP hardware????? Message-ID: <C7InyC.9H@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <GISLI.93May23120534@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 24 May 1993 05:44:36 GMT In article <GISLI.93May23120534@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) writes: # # #PS. We are scrapping two old Apollos with excellent 1280x??? 19" #monocrome monitors. Would it be possible to use these monitors with #a 486? It depends on the graphics card. I am running a Wyse workstation monitor on my other machine (486) with no problems except the following. The bios does not understand anything but a standard monitor so until a driver for the card is loaded the screen is garbage. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: wmorse@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu (William Morse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT at COMDEX <report> Message-ID: <3261@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> Date: 26 May 93 20:35:53 GMT Sender: news@emory.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Well, I just got back from COMDEX and NeXT was there. This is what I saw: NeXT was not on the main floors of COMDEX. They had rented a room. In the room, they were running a video of Steve Jobs keynote at NWE and they also had a bunch of INTEL (Dell, Compaq etc) machines running NeXTSTEP. It wasn't anything fancy. In fact, a person there I talked to said that the decision to even go to COMDEX was "last minute" and they did it on a "shoe string budget." Done on a shoe string or no, it was ok. It was nice and simple and that was fine. I learned some interesting gossip: 1) NeXT employees are VERY glad about the HP partnership. 2) They also seem to be taking the bad publicity from WSJ in stride. One said they had not read it and do not plan to. It was "garbage." 3) I saw several new reporters hanging about talking and taking pictures. 4) I also saw a number of MICROSOFT people there. There were more here than at any other area at COMDEX besides the Microsoft area. 5) Apparently, that legendary loyalty to Steve Jobs is alive and well. One employee said that they were really upset to be here in Atlanta because they were missing Steve at NWE. The employee was also very upbeat about NeXT and NeXT's future. This is good news. NeXT employees should be proud of their work from what I saw. 6) The employees were also quite good. They knew the answers to almost all my questions or told me where I could find the answer. They were tops with almost any other COMDEX exhibitor I met with... The people at WordPerfect and ATI were the only ones to compare. So, what NeXT at COMDEX lacked in flashiness, they made up in employee quality. 7) When I asked about the high price of the NeXTStep user version, one employee told me that "the boys in systems wanted to charge $99. They wanted the world to see this. I thought they were right, but marketing said it would be best to charge the higher amt." The person said though that the $299 w/ developer should be good enough for now. 8) I asked a programer at WordPerfect about NeXT and the person said that at WorPerfect, they thought that NeXTStep was the best OS out there. They were going to upgrade it real soon now. He said he would like to make the WP flagship on the NeXT, ***but*** WP felt that NeXT might be shooting themselves in the foot over this $795 thing. I told him about the promo pricing (NS/FIP plus Developer) and he said that was better, but it is the ***USER*** version that needs to be cheaper. If it were cheaper, then NeXT could get in the door. 9) The people at Lotus said the same thing. Wehn asked if IMPROV would be ported, the guy said he thought Lotus was going to port it and upgrade it. ***However,*** don't bank on this. I felt the guy didn't really know much about the whole subject. Nor did anyone else at the Lotus section. 10) ATI had a demo of NeXTSTep running at their both. They had NS/FIP in color and it was ***FAST*** on their Machh32 chips. I was impressed. The ATI guy said NeXT wrote the driver for them and they were so impressed, they took it to Comdex. Meanwhile, the OS/2 driver is still in beta... 11) Dell had a computer running NeXTStep and it was being demoed by a NeXT employee. A very nice and knowledgeable person. When a Dell employee was asked about NeXTStep on their machines... they said that had "volumes" of pre orders and they were going to offer NS on a Pentium real soon now. 12) I saw an HP PA-RISC. It was running MOTIF and looked nice. The guy was a salesman and knew little about NeXTStep. Ah well... Other things I saw.... NT - 1) Disorganised... Windows World was a mess... there seemed to be no organization... 2) Almost everywhere I went to see and touch NT wouldn't let me. The keyboards and mice were almost always gone. Microsoft had their 20 NT machines roped off and only let VERY FEW people near them and not very often. 3) Intergraph and MIPS demoed NT as well as Digital. Looked fast but it was Windows. I was honestly bored. OS/2 1) Better but the sales people were useless. One could not speak English. 2) OS/2 looked like it always has... 3) IBM was everywhere at COMDEX... That's all for now! - William Morse Consult. / ITD ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Emory Law Student
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: How are commercial software packaged? Message-ID: <C7nIpC.AFG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993May26.153512.5180@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 20:39:12 GMT In article <1993May26.153512.5180@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Most vendors I asked said they're planning to ship fat binaries. Seem to be a lot coming my way (to the Archives) these days too. Latest being ComposeInColor, which is probably really neat on a color machine with a lot of memory. Runs like a slug here on nova, but most things do. :-) Allen B (Doing more before 9am...)
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,umich.next.misc Subject: Install New OS across 2 partitions? Date: 26 May 1993 20:57:43 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u0lk7$s9v@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Disclaimer: I am a NeXT-idiot. After grepping through the FAQ's I have not seen a solution to the following problem: I have a slab with a 100Mb disk internal, and an external disk with a 250Mb partition for the OS, and a 550Mb partition for files. I want to do a clean install from CD of NS 3.0, using 100Mb + 250Mb partitions for the install, so I can install as much of it as possible. BuildDisk appears to be a very mindless utility without this kind of functionality, as far as I can tell. My intent is to use the 100Mb (sd0) internal as the root disk, and then mount the 250Mb on /usr or /usr/local as appropriate. Currently I have 2.2 (NFS-Extended) on the 100Mb disk, but it's my understanding that 100Mb is not enough for 3.0, *and* I want the full release installed locally, not shared via NFS. What's the easiest way to handle this? I do have other drives I can dump stuff onto (up to 340Mb) and I have an exabyte 2.2Gb tape I can dump to as well (if I need temp storage for the install).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <C7nJEw.C01@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1tujrk$3co@moonshot.west.oic.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 20:54:32 GMT In article <1tujrk$3co@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > Personally I would rather not have separate directories, at least not until > other platforms are supported. It would add too much confusion and NeXT has > indicated that fat binaries are not significantly larger then single-platform > binaries. NeXT has made a concerted effort to make multi-platform packages > workable and we should at least give them a chance. As the guy you're all talking about, I assure you that there are >already< fat binaries in the 3.0 directories. They aren't much bigger than the moto binaries we've had around, and I'm told they work nicely on Intel machines, but have no way to check that myself. They do work on my 68040 machine running 3.0, although file chokes on them. I don't plan to differentiate between fat binaries and platform-specific ones, but would rather everyone just send me fat ones. That provides the highest level of service, I think, and that's what an archive is for, right? I guess that implies that if you've submitted a 3.0 program, you should try to submit a fat 3.1 version sometime in the next few months. I don't know how much of a rush there'll be. Intel-only submissions will not be approved (and moved over to the main Archives) until I have a system to check them on. That's not really different than my past refusal to approve 3.0 (or 2.0, or...) submissions until I could test them personally. I >am< approving 3.1 binaries now, with faith that the bad guys won't take advantage of us. If you're paranoid, recompile programs from 3.0/src yourself. Obviously, I'd rather not accept Intel-only binaries at all, but we'll see how it goes. Comments, as always, to archive-management@cc.purdue.edu. Allen B (Archiving like mad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTWorld Expo News Message-ID: <MAX.93May26164240@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> From: max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) Date: 26 May 93 16:42:40 References: <1993May26.152723.4865@leland.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, MN In-reply-to: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu's message of Wed, 26 May 93 15:27:23 GMT In article <1993May26.152723.4865@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: ... * $299 Developer bundle. Special offer for developers: complete NS user environment, complete NS developer environment (but no docs), an a copy of Garfinkel and Mahoney's programming book for $299. This is not a typo. $299. The offer runs to July 31 and does NOT include a free upgrade to 3.2.... The part about lack of free 3.2 upgrade is also echoed in NeXT's press release: The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit offer does not include free upgrades to Release 3.2. The Kit is limited, one copy per customer. This left me (and probably many of you) wondering: how much *will* a 3.2 upgrade cose for those buying the Evaluation Kit, if it isn't free? So I called NeXT and asked. The surprising answer: the Evaluation Kit won't be upgradable *at all*. In other words, if you like the Evaluation Kit and want to keep current by getting 3.2, you will have to buy 3.2 at whatever price they would charge a new customer of your size/power/whatever. Having the Evaluation Kit won't help any. This *may* help make my mind up between the $249 Academic Bundle and the $299 Evaluation Kit (as an Academic who toys with someday developing a commercial app, it's an issue); I'm posting in the hopes that it will do the same for others in a similar position. For a serious commercial developer this should be less of an issue; $299 to try it out is a good deal, and if the product you develop becomes real enough to need upgrading to 3.2, then real money should be justifiable.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: boardman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Boardman) Subject: ixBuild and gopherd Message-ID: <boardman.738428636@news.acns.nwu.edu> Summary: Need 2.x ixBuild and /usr/lib/indexing/* Keywords: gopher, ixBuild, NS 3.0 Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 15:03:56 GMT I am running a gopher server under NS 3.0. Earlier I posted the problem about full text indexing on NeXT under 3.0... the current gopher distribution only supports through NS 2.2. My machine came with NS 2.1 so I have a LICENSE for this system. I have since upgraded to 3.0 and all the indexing files (ixBuild, ixClean, etc...) have been trashed for the new indexing scheme. The gopher distributors tell me that if I want to use NeXT indexing, I need to get a hold of the old files. I have received responses from folks (thanks to all of you) telling me that they use these old 2.2 files under 3.0 with no problem. I called NeXT and the customer support person said "I don't know how to help you." Not entirely satisfactory... Does anyone have some advice about how to get these files (for which I own a license)? Michael Boardman e-mail: boardman@davinci.lfc.edu (NeXT mail accepted gladly) Lake Forest College
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: FAQ Explanations Wanted Date: 26 May 1993 23:32:24 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u0um8$1h8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> I was reading through the FAQs for information relevant to optimizing performance on an 040-25 slab, and came across two things that don't appear clear: 1. From the Memory FAQ: >[John Graves, Hardware Engineering, NeXT Computer, Inc. adds] > >The memory system has programmable memory timing such >that the number of processor clocks needed to access a >given amount of data can be tailored to the speed of the >memory installed. 70 ns memory is just enough faster than >80 ns memory to allow the cpu to access the data with fewer >clock cycles. This improves memory system performance. So does this automatically happen if I make sure that I have only 70ns SIMMs, or do I need to tell the machine to try to access with fewer cycles? If so, how? 2. Regarding non-Turbo's running 2.2 >*** Subject: U5. What does NeXTstep 2.2 offer? > >Hardware support for the Turbo machines. There are no >software upgrades, and no reason to upgrade a non-Turbo >machine to this release. In fact, there are reasons not >to upgrade a non-Turbo machine to 2.2. Hmm, what might those reasons be? (Since I have two non-Turbo's both running 2.2 ...) FAQ doesn't appear to elaborate. Thanks in advance. Email preferred (plain text or MIME encoded).
From: besler@vitalstatistix.gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Steven Besler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Legal Question Date: 27 May 1993 02:48:56 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u1a6oINNgnd@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> I bought a NeXTSTATION Turbo (mono) on Oct. 13, 1992 at my trusty university bookstore. I believe that I got it at an "Educational Discount". For example, I received a complementary copy of Mathematica with it. Now my question is, if I developed an application on it which I wished to sell, what would be the proper legal process to do this. Would it be illegal to sell the program? Is the "educational" license tied to the software (NS 3.0) and the hardware? If I bought an upgrade to the OS, and paid the commercial fee, would that cover it? Somebody please explain it to me. I wouldn't want to be sued! Steven Besler besler@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP/FIP Evaluation Kit Message-ID: <67976@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 27 May 93 02:52:55 GMT References: <1993May25.232405.1099@microsoft.com> <gXk64B2w165w@tcscs.com> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: > NeXT is apparently offering an Evaluation Kit for customers > eager to evaluate NEXTSTEP/FIP. The kit will supposedly be > available from May 25 through July 31, at a cost of $299. > The kit will include the following: [lots of cool stuff] though this is a great idea and I very much welcome it, note that Microsoft charged only $69 for their NT evaluation kits - which included thick documents as well (probably lost some money on it initially, but I am sure they plan to make it up by long term gouging) so why does NeXT expect people to pay $299 to evaluate an OS that will surely seem risky when they could evaluate the much less risky OS from MS for much less. and why the hell offer the evaluation for only two months? dont these people want to succeed? -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wall Street Journal slams NeXT and next day licks Bill Gate's bottom Message-ID: <67977@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 27 May 93 03:00:08 GMT Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 If you thought the WSJ article on NeXT was a one slided hostile slam (it was), suspiciously timed to coincide the same day with NWE and the NS/FIP release, take a look at the front page article the very next day - proclaiming NT a success before it even ships. Whereas they treated NeXT Inc as a failed enterprise and dwelled on the personality and ancient history of Steve Jobs - treating him as a spoiled child. They were extremely respectful of Mr Gates. That's his genius, they said "being able to spot the flaws". He ought to be able to after having selling so many of them for so long. Of course, they was no mention of the HP deal at all. I cant believe the timing and sequence of this was a coincidence. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: reading different cdrom formats under ns 3.0 Message-ID: <1993May27.042104.14347@venice.sedd.trw.com> Originator: verket@verket-home Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <1tts76$66t@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 04:21:04 GMT In article <1tts76$66t@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> dwatola@amtsun.jpl.nasa.gov (David A. Watola) writes: > why am i unable to read sunsoft cdroms (system software and catalyst > cdroms) -- what filesystem types are on these discs? Because they are Sun's own UFS format, not a standard like ISO9660. Of all the SunOS CDs I've seen, only the very first (the demo CD) was in a standard format and therefore readable on the NeXT (and a Mac). > what i really want to do is mount sunsoft cdroms on a next running ns > 3.0 and export them to sparc machines, but the cdrom drive rejects > these particular discs. I'm sorry but you won't be able to! Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: a228hsie@cdf.toronto.edu (Hsied Li Ming) Subject: upgrade policy for edu? Message-ID: <1993May27.042719.28507@cdf.toronto.edu> Sender: news@cdf.toronto.edu Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 04:27:19 GMT It's still a toss-up as to which platform to go to, but the great .edu price of NS/FIP seems very tempting, although it's gonna cost me 4-6K for a new machine to run it off. (2-bit colour might be more in my budget range, though.) What is the upgrade pricing for the .edu releases? Specifically I'm looking at v3.2 because it has the SoftPC built in. The hardware requirements scare me and I'm afraid I'd have to settle for OS/2, although I'd love to run NS. -- James Li Ming Hsied | "...as I leap from program to program, striving to Computer Science | make right what once went wrong, hoping my next leap Undergraduate U of T | will be the leap..........HOME..." hsied@r-node.hub.org | "Unix is akin to religion for some..." - David Cutler
From: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Playing Audio CD's Date: 26 May 1993 19:03:52 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1u0t0oINNjvh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> How do you do this. I did it once long ago and it worked, but I forgot how. I've looked in the FAQ of 9/92 ( latest I could find ) to no avail. Details: NextStep 3.0 on '040 non-Turbo Next CD-ROM drive CDPlayer.app in 3.0 distribution Tried: Inserting disk without CDPlayer.app running Inserting disk when prompted Inserting disk after program is started Inserting disk before booting the machine This did work once before, I tried it just for kicks when I got the drive. What's up now? Chris -- Christopher D. Audley Elec & Comp Engineering The Johns Hopkins University Internet: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is TickleServices Date: 26 May 1993 19:06:02 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1u0t4qINNk59@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Where can I find TickleServices. I looked in the usual places but couldn't find it. Chris -- Christopher D. Audley Elec & Comp Engineering The Johns Hopkins University Internet: audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dgursky@andi.org (David M. Gursky) Subject: Press Releases Message-ID: <C7nDCH.43H@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 18:43:29 GMT Are the various press releases from NeXT available on the Net from an FTP'able source? -- David M. Gursky NeXTMail accepted Synex, Inc. e-mail: dgursky@andi.org 5950 Symphony Woods Road voice: (301) 621-5732 Columbia, MD 21044 fax: (301) 621-6005
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Expo comments Date: 27 May 1993 00:47:31 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u1rmj$b18@moonshot.west.oic.com> Well, even though I wasn't there myself, two people from our Company were and one just got back tonight (The other is sticking around till the end). He liked what he saw in General, especially the relative ease that many PC vendors say they have had in getting their platforms to run NS/486. That seems to indicate that NeXT's hard work on hardware compatibility issues has paid off. Remarks on the video as compared to MS Windows was "well, it's getting there but when I move windows around under NS I see artifacts. I don't see artifacts doing the same thing under Windows". Discussing the problem further we basically determined that the problem is that NeXT does not take advantage of on-board coprocessors for even the simplest of operations -- bit blits, moving windows. You might not think this is important but from the standpoint of a commercial buyer it is the easiest test to perform when comparing machines and the one that would most likely *be* performed. The other comment on video was that the 1024 x 860 (or whatever.. the higher resolution boards) made a big difference, and that very few (only two?) boards support this resolution as yet. NeXT really needs to concentrate in the video board department, I think. They need to support the resolutions that the boards can do (most important!) and put in hooks for simple blitting co-processor support (second most important!) or they will loose big time in comparisons with Windows. Overall impressions of NS/486's other hardware requirements were quite positive. Overall impressions on platforms available were quite positive. The one comment, said several time, was basically "processor speed, bandwidth to video board, processor speed, bandwidth to video board, and processor speed, bandwidth to video board". That pretty much says it all. Everything else is a gimme. While I did not have the time with my workload to make it to the conference myself, I thought people might appreciate the comments from (so far) one of the two from our company that did go... and this guy hasn't touched a NeXT more then a couple of times before the conference! He's our marketing expert and building engineer (electrical specs mainly)... and is a power windows user, so I count his comments as extremely practical and from an industry viewpoint. -Matt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dlm40629@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel L. Marks) Subject: FINAL ANNOUNCEMENT NextSTEP course in Chicago area July-August Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 00:49:55 GMT Message-ID: <C7nuB7.A7x@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Distribution: usa Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: Nextstep Chicago July August Course Class Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana A NeXTstep Course will be given by LearningLink, Co. It will be held in the NeXT Lab at Glenbrook South High School, in Glenview, Illinois, and teach both the basics and more advanced techniques of NeXTstep programming with the Interface Builder, Project Builder, and various kits. The class will start June 22nd and last through August 5th, and will be held twice a week on Tuesday and Thursday between 5PM and 8 PM. The lab will be open an additional hour both before and after the class to allow for the completion of assignments. We recommend a minimum knowledge of elementary "C" programming for those who wish to enroll. The topics that will be covered include: x Introduction to the NeXTstep graphical environment x Creating Applications with the Project Builder x Introduction to Object Oriented Programming x Construction of graphical interfaces with Interface Builder x Objective-C and a brief review of C programming x Digital Librarian and NextDeveloper on-line documentation x Many Application Kit Classes x Display Postscript and pswraps x Mouse and Keyboard Handling and Events x Distributed Objects x Introduction to Mach (Streams and Threads) x Introduction to DB Kit, Indexing Kit, and 3D Kit x Porting to NeXTstep/FIP The cost of the course is $995, with a $695 educational price. Please reserve your spot in the course soon, as we must have an enrollment of at least eight to hold the course. Maximum enrollment is fifteen. Any payment is 100% refundable on or before the first day of the course, and is 100% refunded if the course is cancelled because of inadequate enrollment. Please make out your check to LearningLink, Co. and send it to the address listed below. NeXTstep programmers David Jeske (jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu), and Daniel L. Marks (d-marks1@uiuc.edu), formerly with the Mathematics Visualization Project of Argonne National Laboratory, will be the primary instructors for the course. This course was previously taught for credit by the same instructors at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Glenbrook South High School is at 2000 W. Lake St in Glenview, at the corner of Lake and Pfingsten streets. For more information or to reserve your workstation contact Fred Siegeltuch at: LearningLink, Co. fbs@cenplus.com 9134 Kildare Avenue (708) 674-7155 Skokie, IL 60076-1655
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Impossible to order the Education package! Date: 27 May 1993 08:28:46 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u1u3u$6t5@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993May26.182923.23948@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu (William O'Neill) writes: > Garance A. Drosehn (gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu) wrote: > : While the route NeXT has chosen makes a lot of sense for most everyone > : involved (for a variety of reasons), it does mean that you have to go > : thru some campus store to get the package. The overhead of having > : each student calling up someplace (anyplace), having each of them > : order one copy, and having each of them prove that they are indeed > : entitled to the special discount is just too costly to justify doing. > > I can understand the point of verifying each individual student but I > was trying to order for our computer services department. Surely it's > not too hard to verify that Temple University is an educational > institution? Ah, a bad assumption on my part. I noticed the line: Cynical Temple Student in your signature and assumed you were interested in a single copy. I'd think you wouldn't have too much trouble getting this. How does your department order any other educational software packages? Do you go straight to the company (in the case of other companies) for those? Does Temple university not have any kind of campus micro store? (even if it's just for Macs and PC stuff?) Hmm. Do the people you're calling realize that you're calling from a comp sci department? It wouldn't surprise me if some of the details of the distribution for the educational package are not taken care of yet, but I do hope that people in your situation haven't been completely overlooked. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: How are commercial software packaged? Message-ID: <1993May26.141259.11587@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1tud5n$74v@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 14:12:59 GMT In article <1tud5n$74v@agate.berkeley.edu> tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) writes: > To those people attending the expo, how is software going to be > packaged in the future? Intel binaries and Motorola binaries packaged > separatly? Both versions packaged in one shrink-wrapped? Or fat-binaries > which I only extract the part I need? In particular, say I want xxx.app, > when I buy xxx.app, do I get both the Intel binaries and Motorola binaries? > Does it require 3.1 or 3.2 to extract the Motorola/Intel binaries from > fat binaries? Most vendors are shipping fat binaries in one shrink-wrapped package. NS3.0 is required to install fat binaries. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Relative Size of NeXT & Microsoft Message-ID: <1993May26.232016.2513@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 23:20:16 GMT Sender: clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com Distribution: usa Organization: GiantLeap Software Does anyone know how many employees Microsoft has? How about the number of products they handle? I am trying to get a handle on the employee/product ratio of NeXT vis-a-vis Microsoft. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1: What's in it for you (and what's not) Date: 27 May 1993 07:28:06 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <1u2c55$39p@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <C7E2wA.5C0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993May23.025827.15604@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: >According to CERT personnel, while NeXT is not _the_ most >"irresponible/nonresponsive" vendor, they're definitely way down >there. When was the last time you saw NeXT issue a patch between >releases? How supportive is NeXT of customers running less than >the most current release? The rdist patch came between releases. The latest thing to remove the _writers directories came between releases. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Interrupt lines on Intel 80x86 chips? Date: 27 May 1993 12:44:23 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <1u2d37INNg76@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993May26.200952.3826@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> In article <1993May26.200952.3826@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: > In article <1993May25.185917.3544@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov writes: > >In article <1993May25.172746.18150@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> > >halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) writes: > >> In article <1993May24.171458.12262@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov writes: Now that we've got so many interested people, I'll repeat the question I asked a month ago and got no response to: Has anybody measured the interrupt latency under NSFIP? Does NeXT make a claim? This is one of the key questions that determine whether NSFIP will be useful for real-time monitoring. -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
From: disc@vector.intercon.com (David Casti) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc Subject: WANTED: A simple, flat database Date: 27 May 1993 14:24:54 GMT Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Message-ID: <1u2ivm$c6h@news.intercon.com> Hi, I have what should be a very simple need. I would like to have a flat file database accessible from terminal sessions on my NeXT. Since so many 400 level CS classes have students write flat databases, I thought it would be a trivial task to find a PD program I could just compile and run... but I couldn't find one. Now, this database need isn't fancy. I don't want to run a Sybase engine -- I don't need the ability to search 10 million compressed records on the fly... All I want is a searchable database from a terminal window under UNIX. I don't even need for the database to support more than one user at a time, although that would be nice. If someone can point me in the right direction... Thanks, David. ============================================================================= David Casti Internet: disc@vector.intercon.com Technical Support Engineer InterCon Systems Corporation Phone: (703) 709-5554 950 Herndon Parkway, Suite 420 FAX: (703) 709-5555 Herndon, Virginia 22070 ============================================================================= No official InterCon correspondence will ever have vector.intercon.com as the return address. =============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rhp@inel.gov (Robert Powell) Subject: Voicemail on the NeXT Sender: usenet@pmafire.inel.gov (usenet guy) Message-ID: <1993May27.172421.10039@pmafire.inel.gov> Date: Thu, 27 May 93 17:24:21 GMT Organization: WINCO I need to know what my options are for doing Voicemail on the NeXT. What hardware/software is needed and/or available? Thanks... -=-=-=-=-=-=- Idaho National Engineering Laboratory -=-=-=-=-=-=- Robert H. Powell rhp@inel.gov (NeXT Mail OK) (208) 525-5553
From: sanchezp@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Directory flipped over to file! Summary: Help! Keywords: work lost, I'm screwed Message-ID: <1993May27.163041.20346@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Date: 27 May 93 16:30:41 GMT Sender: news@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu Organization: University of Arizona One of my directories suddenly changed into a file. I have a backup, but not from last night, and I'd really like to recover some work out of that directory. Is there any way to change the file attribute so it is a directory again? Any help would be appreciated. --paul
From: athos@pendragon.com (Rick Eames) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Now that I have NIS... Date: Thu, 27 May 93 09:47:00 Organization: Pendragon Enterprises Message-ID: <rme05am1.2kfkk1@pendragon.pendragon.com> Okay, now that I have Nextstep for Intel, where are the cool ftp sites where I can find software. Specifically, where can I find NewsGrazer so I can get off of this arcane text based system?? Cheers, Rick Eames
Rick Eames CompuServe: 76666,2114 athos@pendragon.com AOL: EamesR Be The Ball.
#################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Where is TickleServices Message-ID: <C7orxr.6Cz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1u0t4qINNk59@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 12:56:14 GMT In article <1u0t4qINNk59@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley) writes: > Where can I find TickleServices. I looked in the usual places but couldn't > find it. Try 2.0/com on sonata. It runs under 2.0, and it's shareware, right? ab
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Saw Intel Hardware But... Date: 27 May 1993 16:09:24 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1u375kINNadt@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Hi all, Can anyone evaluate the 6 or 8 major Intel platforms now shipping NS ready boxes? I saw the Epson and Intel boxes - the Epson's video was clearly faster, but has ISA slots only, while the Intel box has EISA, but slower video, I'm told due to the software driver for it. However, the superior machine (Intel) is more attractive and perhaps I could stick an some sort of video card in the Eisa slot? Thanks R. de Lucca robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Now that I have NIS... Date: 27 May 1993 20:16:09 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1u37i9$lep@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <rme05am1.2kfkk1@pendragon.pendragon.com> In article <rme05am1.2kfkk1@pendragon.pendragon.com> athos@pendragon.com writes: >Okay, now that I have Nextstep for Intel, where are the cool ftp sites where >I can find software. > >Specifically, where can I find NewsGrazer so I can get off of this arcane >text based system?? > Well, NS Intel has just come out for 2 days, I don't think any major ftp sites has Intel binaries. I guess you should get the source code and compiles on your system. I don't kow whether NewsGrazer's source code is publicly available. Maybe you should take a look at NewsBase, whoose source code is available on either sonata.cc.purdue.edu or srawgw.sra.co.jp The documentation is in Japanese though, but otherwise the program works like NewsGrazer (in English). -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tyf@ocf.berkeley.edu NeXTmail WANTED! tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Message-ID: <128600@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 27 May 93 20:21:45 GMT References: <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu In article <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> adunn@fnalf.fnal.gov writes: > Also, how do things like Mathematica and WriteNow run on 3.1 ( NeXT hardware )? > Would it kill my thesis-writing to upgrade? > Be careful! There IS NO WriteNow under NS/Intel since WriteNow was written mostly in Assmebler!!! If this is untrue, someone please correct me... -- Mr. Noam Arzt 215/898-3029 (voice) Director, Special Projects 215/898-9348 (FAX) University of Pennsylvania arzt@dccs.upenn.edu Data Communications & Computing Services (NeXTmail is OK) Suite 221A, 3401 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104
From: adunn@fnalnh.fnal.gov Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Date: 27 May 93 17:23:56 -0600 Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Message-ID: <1993May27.172356.1@fnalnh.fnal.gov> References: <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> <128600@netnews.upenn.edu> In article <128600@netnews.upenn.edu>, arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) writes: > In article <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> adunn@fnalf.fnal.gov writes: >> Also, how do things like Mathematica and WriteNow run on 3.1 ( NeXT hardware > )? >> Would it kill my thesis-writing to upgrade? >> > > Be careful! There IS NO WriteNow under NS/Intel since WriteNow was written > mostly in Assmebler!!! If this is untrue, someone please correct me... > > -- I know that WriteNow isn't on Intel, and that Mathematica hasn't been ported yet. That's why I specified NeXT hardware. I have a slab, but I don't want to upgrade if the new OS will kill my currently-running and thesis-critical programs like WriteNow, Mathematica, Draw, and TeX. Of course, I'm assuming that all my games will keep on running!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Now that I have NIS... Message-ID: <1993May27.230603.9911@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <rme05am1.2kfkk1@pendragon.pendragon.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 93 23:06:03 GMT In article <rme05am1.2kfkk1@pendragon.pendragon.com> athos@pendragon.com writes: >Okay, now that I have Nextstep for Intel, where are the cool ftp sites where >I can find software. > >Specifically, where can I find NewsGrazer so I can get off of this arcane >text based system?? ---General collections--- cs.orst.edu (Oregon State archives) nova.cc.purdue.edu or sonata.cc.purdue.edu (Purdue archives -- a total mess) ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Univ. of Munich -- my personal favorite) ccrma-ftp.stanford.edu (Stanford -- MusicKit related) ---Other less complete sites--- uhoop.egr.uh.edu (Univ. of Houston Next OO projects) ftp.cica.indiana.edu f.ms.uky.edu mathsource.wri.com (Wolfram's Mathematica site) pellns.alleg.edu (Allegheny College Next programs) Also, there are several CD-ROMs available with PD, shareware, and demo SW for Nextstep. Unfortunately, most don't have MABs as of yet (the ftp sites are also in the process of receiving MAB, or fat, upgrades to SW as well). As far as where to find specific programs, check in to the sites above, download the directory listing (usually a file called 'ls-lR', or similar) and find what you want. Also, you can use Archie to search for specifics as well. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
From: borchers@poogh.llnl.gov (Robert R. Borchers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Saw Intel Hardware But... Date: 27 May 1993 23:15:45 GMT Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD Message-ID: <1u3i31$dkr@lll-winken.llnl.gov> References: <1u375kINNadt@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> In article <1u375kINNadt@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) writes: > Hi all, > > Can anyone evaluate the 6 or 8 major Intel platforms > now shipping NS ready boxes? I saw the Epson and Intel > boxes - the Epson's video was clearly faster, but has ISA > slots only, while the Intel box has EISA, but slower video, > I'm told due to the software driver for it. However, the > superior machine (Intel) is more attractive and perhaps > I could stick an some sort of video card in the Eisa > slot? > > Thanks > > R. de Lucca > robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu -- I think I tried most of the systems at the show, with the exception of not being able to get near the Pentium machines. When you are used to using a NeXTDimension, you get a little spoiled for the graphics performance of most of the systems at the show. The two exceptions were the Epson, with their Wingine accelerator and the Dell, Although I did not see the Epson running NeXT standard resolution. they said they were going to install that driver Tuesday evening. The other machine with very good graphics performance was a Dell 486 machine with their JAWS graphics. It was running NeXT standard resolution and looked and performed very well. I believe all the color machines were running 16 bit color at best. Bob Robert R. Borchers L-414 Livermore, Ca 94551 borchers@llnl.gov NeXTmail Welcome
From: zryx0376@awssg7.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Now that I have NIS... Date: 27 May 1993 23:25:06 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <1u3iki$1fo0@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <rme05am1.2kfkk1@pendragon.pendragon.com> In article <rme05am1.2kfkk1@pendragon.pendragon.com> athos@pendragon.com writes: >Okay, now that I have Nextstep for Intel, where are the cool ftp sites where >I can find software. Some Apps are already available as fat binaries (or even with sources) on the usual NeXT ftp-sites. You have to look into the readme files in order to see whether they are fat or not. >Specifically, where can I find NewsGrazer so I can get off of this arcane >text based system?? Get NewsBase 3.02 and compile it yourself, it is distributed as source :-) Regards, Markus. -- * /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart * * /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org / @rus.uni-stuttgart.de * * /etc/motd >> Party time! Excellent!! << * * ~/.ircrc/nick _Marsu_ *
From: zryx0376@awssg7.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/I - hardware specs since 5/25/93 ??? Date: 27 May 1993 23:32:16 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u3j20$1bst@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Hi folks, now NS/I is out for two days at NWE, but I have not seen a posting about the definite hardware specifications of 3.1 Intel final release. Do the serial and parallel interfaces work now? Sound cards? Plans for the near future - e.g. VESA SCSI controllers? New graphic cards on the combatability list? I'm informed well about the hc list of 3.1 PR1, just the changes are interesting to me. I'd like to have a well equipped machine right here when my ordered NS/I arrives... Regards, Markus. -- * /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart * * /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org / @rus.uni-stuttgart.de * * /etc/motd >> Party time! Excellent!! << * * ~/.ircrc/nick _Marsu_ *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: brian@gehenna.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian R. Glaeske) Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Message-ID: <C7pLyy.u5t@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 23:44:58 GMT References: <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> <128600@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: University of Southern North Dakota, Hoople In article <128600@netnews.upenn.edu> arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) writes: >In article <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> adunn@fnalf.fnal.gov writes: >> Also, how do things like Mathematica and WriteNow run on 3.1 ( NeXT hardware >)? >> Would it kill my thesis-writing to upgrade? WriteNow still runs on 3.0 last I checked. Of course there are some legalities about it that AppSoft worries about. >Be careful! There IS NO WriteNow under NS/Intel since WriteNow was written WriteNow is not being made anymore. It is now called AppSoft Write. >mostly in Assmebler!!! If this is untrue, someone please correct me... I've heard this somewhere else also. Possibly in a NeXTWorld magazine. After running strings(1) on the executable of WriteNow, I would have to say NO it is NOT written in assembly. It looks like one painstaking time using appkit objects and writing the assembler code to call methods. I sure would like to congratulate the programmers if it was written in assembly. I hope they got lots of money and are retired now. -- Brian Glaeske - /| glaeske@plains.NoDak.edu [NeXT Mail] o.O` --Ooop ACK!! =(___)= U "Bloom County Forever!!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skwong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai Kee (Graduate Assistant)) Subject: Help! I'm a new NeXTstation 8/200 NS2.2 owner. (Q) what I've received Message-ID: <1993May27.175754.5982@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> Sender: news@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 17:57:54 GMT I am a graduate student. I received my NeXTstation mono 8/200 today. 3 boxes: 17" MegaPixel Display O/N:N4000A Z31-0200-100; SPK O/N:N8509 Z13-0100-200; computer O/N:1100-2292 Z22-0200-100 Total for US$3750 I have many problem about what I've received. Since there is very very few NeXT user in Hong Kong (I think nobody buy it for personal use like me), I want to find help from the net. I will ask the sales representative tomorrow, but he is both non-technical and too concern on $$$. So I want to ask your experience. 1) I didn't find any packing list in the 3 carton boxes. Is it OK ? Without packing list, I cannot verify is there anything lost. 2) I didn't find any registration card for s/w or h/w. Without registration, can I be guaranteed for any upgrade ? 3) The whole package has 4 books only: setup & tutorials; user's reference; applications; network and system administration. They are talking about NS2.1, while the s/w in the HD is NS2.2, there is no any attached sheet stated any words about 2.2. There is only a Release Notes telling the difference between 2.1 & 1.0. I think it's not OK ? 4) I found that no CD-ROM or floppy for the OS was included. So, if the HD crashed, I cannot re-install the OS. 5) The HD is 200MB 35.4MB available. I was surprised that the development tools (extended OS ?) was not installed in it ? 6) The manual said that I should have WriteNow bundle, yet I have the demo version only on the HD. Is the bundle discontinued after NS2.1 ? 7) When I ordered the station, the catalogue of "NeXTSTEP release 3" printed that: Every NeXT computer comes with a CD-ROM containing all NeXTstep software of a given release. I asked the sales, he said no, I would have 2.2 only. I must pay US310 for upgrade to 3.0. Is it true or reasonable ? I think I should be entitled to a free upgrade to 3.1. Can you direct me to a relevant e-mail address or fax ? 8) The HD is 200MB but the carton box is labeled 400MB. I don't know anything wrong. Other problems regarding the NS3.0/3.1 1) Is the NeXT DataBase Kit bundled with NS3.0/3.1 ? 2) The sales had quote a list of documentation to me (which was not covered with the purchase of the computer): NeXTstep General Ref., Rel. 3.0: Vol.1 NeXTstep General Ref., Rel. 3.0: Vol.2 NeXTstep Programming Interface Summary NeXTstep Network and System Administration NeXTstep Development Tools and Technique NeXTstep User Interface Guidelines NeXTstep OOP and the Objective C language NeXTstep Operation System Software Total: US$450 Should I buy it if I want to do intensive programming on the NeXT ? Is there any hardware manual available ? 3) With proper cabling, could I use the AppleCD150 to read CD-ROMs ? Thank you for your kindly attention. Mr. WONG Sai Kee skwong@se.cuhk.hk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) Subject: P9000 Supported under NS/I release? Message-ID: <C7poM5.2KK@ms.uky.edu> Organization: University of Kentucky Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 00:42:04 GMT Does anyone know if video boards based on the P9000 chip (such as the Diamond Viper) are supported under the release version of NS/I? Curious, -- --Mike Mills E-Mail: sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!sam --UK Math Sciences Dept. mike@ukpr.uky.edu --(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc From: mcafee@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Christopher C. McAfee) Subject: Re: WANTED: A simple, flat database Message-ID: <1993May28.003213.7232@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. References: <1u2ivm$c6h@news.intercon.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 00:32:13 GMT In article <1u2ivm$c6h@news.intercon.com> disc@vector.intercon.com (David Casti) writes: > >Hi, > >I have what should be a very simple need. I would like to have a flat >file database accessible from terminal sessions on my NeXT. Since so many >400 level CS classes have students write flat databases, I thought it >would be a trivial task to find a PD program I could just compile and >run... but I couldn't find one. > >Now, this database need isn't fancy. I don't want to run a Sybase engine >-- I don't need the ability to search 10 million compressed records on the >fly... All I want is a searchable database from a terminal window under >UNIX. I don't even need for the database to support more than one user at >a time, although that would be nice. Talking with someone at NeXTWorld Expo on Tuesday, it was suggested that one could use the Indexing Kit to serve as a simple database. Now I'm not a DB expert, but maybe someone has done this already? I'd like to hear about it. Chris mcafee@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au (Paul Blackman) Subject: Where can I find a review of NeXT? Message-ID: <1993May28.003945.8976@csc.canberra.edu.au> Keywords: NeXT review Canon Sender: news@csc.canberra.edu.au Organization: University of Canberra Date: Fri, 28 May 93 00:39:45 GMT I would like to find out as much as I can about NeXT etc. but am having a little trouble. I heard Canon was now dealing with the hardware so I called Canon in Canberra (Australia) hoping that they would at least have a demo of the OS. Canon said they couldn't help and there dealings with NeXT hardware were in doubt because of factory problems. Two things, can anyone (who knows) support what I think I heard from Canon? and where can I find a review of NeXTSTEP (that's the OS isn't it?) with pictures and everything. Of course any emailable reviews welcome (even some happy snaps from your own machine). Thanks, ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ o | Paul Blackman pwb@science.canberra.edu.au o | Water Research Centre, pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au o _ | Faculty of Applied Science Ph. (Aus) 06 2012518 -- (") o | University of Canberra, Australia. Fax. " 06 2015030 \_|_-- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | "There is no dark side in the moon really... _/ \_ | As a matter of fact it's all dark." - Pink Floyd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: brian@drifter (Brian R. Glaeske) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: WANTED: A simple, flat database Message-ID: <C7q3s4.IAr@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: 28 May 93 06:09:39 GMT Article-I.D.: ns1.C7q3s4.IAr References: <1u2ivm$c6h@news.intercon.com> <1993May28.003213.7232@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Organization: University of Southern North Dakota, Hoople >In article <1u2ivm$c6h@news.intercon.com> disc@vector.intercon.com (David Casti) writes: > >Hi, > >I have what should be a very simple need. I would like to have a flat >file database accessible from terminal sessions on my NeXT. Since so many >400 level CS classes have students write flat databases, I thought it >would be a trivial task to find a PD program I could just compile and >run... but I couldn't find one. > >Now, this database need isn't fancy. I don't want to run a Sybase engine >-- I don't need the ability to search 10 million compressed records on the >fly... All I want is a searchable database from a terminal window under >UNIX. I don't even need for the database to support more than one user at >a time, although that would be nice. How about ndbm, gdbm or theBtree package in /usr/include/btree ? I'm sure you could whip something up with these. The new BSD db in the Renoe package might also work. -- Brian Glaeske - /| glaeske@plains.NoDak.edu [NeXT Mail] o.O` --Ooop ACK!! =(___)=
From: athos@pendragon.com (Rick Eames) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Newsgrazer and your weird postings... Date: Thu, 27 May 93 22:17:00 Organization: Pendragon Enterprises Message-ID: <rme05am1.2lris1@pendragon.pendragon.com> I've noticed with several postings I've seen from people with NewsGrazer that there is this huge uuencoded-looking block of text just below the posting. Why is this? Rick Eames
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#################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: 3.1: What's in it for you (and what's not) Message-ID: <1993May28.073717.3261@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <C7E2wA.5C0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993May23.025827.15604@csus.edu> <1u2c55$39p@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 07:37:17 GMT In article <1u2c55$39p@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: >The rdist patch came between releases. More-or-less simultaneously released with comparable patches for other UNIX systems. > The latest thing to remove >the _writers directories came between releases. This wasn't a "real" patch--it was issued only because a bunch of whiners didn't bother to RTFM where this "feature" is quite clearly explained in the N&SA chapter on Security. Remember that "fresh out of the box" NEXTSTEP boots in "Macintoy mode"--autologin to the default user, almost no security features enabled by default ("so they won't get in the way"), the ability to wield The Awesome Power of Superuser at will without so much as a password, and you finish your session with powering down the machine. Just what you want in a standalone machine for a user with a PeeCee mentality. This didn't warrant a bug report, let alone a CERT Advisory. Try again. -=EPS=- -- October 12, 1988: Computing Advances To The NeXT Level May 25, 1993: Game Over, Man
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Newsgrazer and your weird postings... Message-ID: <1993May28.075953.4443@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <rme05am1.2lris1@pendragon.pendragon.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 07:59:53 GMT In article <rme05am1.2lris1@pendragon.pendragon.com> athos@pendragon.com (Rick Eames) writes: >I've noticed with several postings I've seen from people with NewsGrazer >that there is this huge uuencoded-looking block of text just below the posting. > > >Why is this? Well, it's sort of like music with satanic messages recorded backwards. It might not do anything for you, but somewhere out there a lot of 15-year-olds are enjoying it. :-) :-) :-) -=EPS=- -- Now I get to watch my incoming spool fill with hate mail from satanists who think I'm making fun of their religion.
From: disc@vector.intercon.com (David Casti) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: WANTED: A simple, flat database Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc Date: 28 May 1993 12:12:36 GMT Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Message-ID: <1u4vjk$1he@news.intercon.com> References: <1u2ivm$c6h@news.intercon.com> David Casti (disc@vector.intercon.com) wrote: : I have what should be a very simple need. I would like to have a flat : file database accessible from terminal sessions on my NeXT. Since so many : 400 level CS classes have students write flat databases, I thought it : would be a trivial task to find a PD program I could just compile and : run... but I couldn't find one. I've got a lot of response back about this from folks who recommend a compilation of sed, awk, grep and sort. I suppose if that is the only way to implement this, that's the way I may go. The problem is, that isn't the way I want to go... ..fade in to dream sequence I remember the Good Old Days [TM] when I could sit at home and work with DataPerfect on my Atari 800. The Atari only had 48K, and DataPerfect wasn't very fast -- but it was a simple, straightforward, flat database that I could build address books and D&D character records with... ..fade out; back to reality Now I have this powerful black box with megabytes of memory and hundreds of megabytes of disk, and a program is considered "very small" if the executable takes less than 48K. Yet I can't even find something that runs like my old DataPerfect. Now, I know this can be done. I just *know* it. Last night I was down at the Old Executive Office Building, working in one of their Quorum databases. I've seen Sybase databases; I've programmed in Dbase under DOS. All those tools would meet my need, but it's a little like flyswatting with a shotgun. I just can't believe that I'm the only person who ever wanted a DataPerfect implementation under UNIX... :) Well, maybe it doesn't have to be DataPefect, but you get my drift. If anyone knows of such a program, please point me in the right direction. David.
From: "Achim Baier" <UKQF@DKAUNI2.BITNET> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How to place the loginwindow Date: 28 May 1993 15:47:21 +0200 Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Sender: usenet@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u5559$9pk@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Can anyone tell me how I can change the origin of the loginwindow in NS 2.1 Thanks Achim E-mail | ukqf@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (please no NeXTmail)
From: woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu (William O'Neill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Impossible to order the Education package! Message-ID: <1993May28.130249.14379@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Date: 28 May 93 13:02:49 GMT References: <1u1u3u$6t5@usenet.rpi.edu> Sender: news@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu (NetWork News (readnews)) Organization: Temple University : I'd think you wouldn't have too much trouble getting this. How : does your department order any other educational software packages? : Do you go straight to the company (in the case of other companies) : for those? Does Temple university not have any kind of campus micro : store? (even if it's just for Macs and PC stuff?) I believe in the past we've directly ordered from the company, including past NeXT purchases. We don't have any on-campus micro stores so I assume we'll have to go through one of the off-campus ones. : Hmm. Do the people you're calling realize that you're calling from : a comp sci department? It wouldn't surprise me if some of the : details of the distribution for the educational package are not : taken care of yet, but I do hope that people in your situation : haven't been completely overlooked. So do I. I interpreted the press release to mean that departments within an educational institution would also be permitted to purchase the bundle at the discounted rate. Now you understand the "cynical Temple student" line in my .sig file ;) -- <cut along dotted line> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bill O'Neill The Woneill Temple University woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu 7th Floor Computer Activity Building Usenet News administrator Broad & Montgomery Avenues IRC operator Philadelphia, PA 19122 Cynical Temple Student
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rm@califhistsoc.org (Robert MacKimmie) Subject: EXPO!!!Another Great Event!!! Message-ID: <1993May27.083023.733@califhistsoc.org> Keywords: EXPO PARTY Sender: rm@califhistsoc.org Organization: California Historical Society Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 08:30:23 GMT Well, second only to Steve's Keynote was Andrew Stone & Stone Design's EXPO Extravagana. EXPO was not to be missed. The party tonight was right in line. Well Done!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: exit.Princeton.EDU!edlau (Edward Siu Kueng Lau) Subject: How does NS handle Intel's segmented memory? Message-ID: <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Distribution: na Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 16:00:06 GMT The professor who taught OS here this year decided to revamp the course by having all the assignments be done in MS Windows. This gave me first-hand experience to the joys of Windows programming on the PC: near and far pointers, global vs. local memory allocation, 64K segments ... This leads me to ask, how does NS hide the oddities of Intel's segmented memory model from the programmer? I would venture to say that all this could be done by the code generation back-end of the compiler. But if that's the case, why do Windows programmers have to put up with near and far, etc.? --Ed Lau
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: HELP! Bootable 3.0 Floppy????? Message-ID: <1993May27.092239.13844@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <8g0wcJ200iMF8XF0R0@andrew.cmu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 09:22:39 GMT In article <8g0wcJ200iMF8XF0R0@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> writes: > > > What are the bare minumum files that have to be present to boot a NeXT > '040 Cube standalone with a floppy? Preferably so that the machine can > mount a CD-ROM drive? There is a script named BootFloppy3.0 on the archives. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Derek Kwan Subject: Re: Impossible to order the Education package! Message-ID: <C7qt9E.LJx@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: news@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca Organization: University of Waterloo References: <1993May25.183119.22749@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 15:20:00 GMT In article <1993May25.183119.22749@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu (William O'Neill) writes: } I've been going in circles trying to get some info about ordering the } Academic Bundle for the Intel platform. The NeXT salespeople say we have to } order through some reseller and the reseller says we have to order it } through a bookstore. What kind of arrangement is this? Do they want to sell } their product or see how many middle men they can get in the whole process? } } -- } <cut along dotted line> } - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - } Bill O'Neill The Woneill } Temple University woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu } 7th Floor Computer Activity Building Usenet News administrator } Broad & Montgomery Avenues IRC operator } Philadelphia, PA 19122 Cynical Temple Student FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Karen Logsdon NeXT Computer, Inc. 415/780-3786 or Marilyn Kilinski Ketchum Public Relations 212/536-8865 NeXT OFFERS SPECIAL NEXTSTEP PROMOTION FOR USERS TO EVALUATE PRODUCT IN BUSINESS SITUATIONS SAN FRANCISCO, CA - May 25, 1993: To encourage companies to experience the benefits of building client/server applications using NEXTSTEP's object-oriented technology first hand, NeXT Computer, Inc. announces a special Evaluation Kit. From May 25 through July 31, a NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit, containing both the User and Developer versions of NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel processors will be available for $299. The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit includes: - NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel Processors which includes the full NEXTSTEP User product and documentation; - NEXTSTEP Developer CD ROM which includes NEXTSTEP's visual application construction tools and reusable object kits, as well as a 50% off coupon to purchase full technical documentation; - The NEXTSTEP Advantage Kit which includes a booklet, a video cassette and a diskette with sample software to introduce users to the benefits of application development with NEXTSTEP; - NEXTSTEP Programming, a book by Garfinkel & Mahoney, which provides users a thorough explanation of NEXTSTEP application development using a tutorial approach. For business situations and enterprise use: The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit contains complete NEXTSTEP products. With the Kit, customers can experience the full benefits of NEXTSTEP for developing real client/server applications. "NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel processors brings a whole new group of users into the object-oriented community. Our Evaluation Kit is NeXT's official welcome to them," said Brett Bachman, director of product marketing at NeXT. "With this promotion, we hope to build momentum and encourage developers to develop NEXTSTEP applications so they can experience the rapid deployment and two to five times the productivity gains from using NEXTSTEP to develop client/server applications. We look forward to having new developers join the swelling ranks of object-oriented believers." Pricing and Availability The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit is available immediately worldwide. In the U.S., it costs $299 and can be ordered by calling 1-800-TRY-NEXT, by contacting one of NeXT's PC original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) or by contacting a local NEXTSTEP reseller. The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit offer does not include free upgrades to Release 3.2. The Kit is limited, one copy per customer. Regularly priced copies of NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel processors and NEXTSTEP Developer, which include an upgrade to Release 3.2 and full documentation for both versions, retail in the U.S. for $795 and $1,995, respectively. NeXT Computer, Inc. NeXT develops and markets the award-winning NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. Customers use NEXTSTEP to develop and deploy custom client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped software. Headquartered in Redwood City, California, and with offices throughout the world, NeXT serves customers requiring enterprise-wide, object-oriented productivity environments.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc From: woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) Subject: Re: WANTED: A simple, flat database Message-ID: <1993May28.165000.4644@ornl.gov> Sender: usenet@ornl.gov (News poster) Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory References: <1u4vjk$1he@news.intercon.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 16:50:00 GMT In article <1u4vjk$1he@news.intercon.com> disc@vector.intercon.com (David Casti) writes: > David Casti (disc@vector.intercon.com) wrote: > > : I have what should be a very simple need. I would like to have a > :) Well, maybe it doesn't have to be DataPefect, but you get my drift. > If anyone knows of such a program, please point me in the right direction. > > David. Have you just considered Per? - - - - - - - - - J. W. Wooten
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pkim@cory.Berkeley.EDU (P. Kim) Subject: coke can at expo Message-ID: <1993May28.171903.24786@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Summary: where's the coke can tiff? Sender: nntp@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (NNTP Poster) Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 17:19:03 GMT wandering around expo, i noticed that a lot of the machines had a nice tiff of a coke can. suspecting that this was some sort of conspiracy by coca-cola, i asked one of the exhibitors about it. he told me that the tiff was at the archive sites but i just checked and it's no where to be seen (purdue just got rid of its tiffs). so, if anyone can either send me the tiff or refer me to an ftp site, i would appreciate it. oh, if you're going to send me the tiff, mail me a message first so i don't get flooded with coke cans. also, if anyone wants to send me any other tiffs of random objects, feel free. thanks in advance, paul kim mtcoak!paul@netcom.com <- Nextmail accepted pkim@cory.berkeley.edu <- NO Nextmail :(
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch. Date: 28 May 1993 11:18:43 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1u5l23$hjr@spock.dis.cccd.edu> I'm in a bitch mode today because I had planned to re-sell NeXTSTEP 486 boundled with another product only to find that NeXT requires a substantial investment of time and money to go to school as part of a pre-requisite. Granted, %30 off ain't bad but one has to go to more than one class and possibly pay for two or more employees to go. Which brings me to the next point. Some of us are pre-approved to sell NeXTSTEP. Who are we and does prior schooling count. Furthermore, can going to S.F.--or wherever-- to go to class be waived by achieving other coursework elsewhere? Is this stratagy going to stick or is NeXT going to change their mind in a few months as they did with their original "Registered Developer (shh, buy direct)" program. I'm not so much frustrated at the facts--their reasonable if they stick--as much as NeXT's incosistency. Going to school wouldn't be a problem ifone could measure the advantages but since change is so volitile with NeXT, I wonder how receptive people will be to their new, ah hem, I mean newest terms. I'm not really bagging on NeXT, I just want to hear other poeples thoughts and observations before investing further. So far, its a wait and see kinda thing. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: hketola@agsm.ucla.edu (Heikki Ketola) Subject: Huh? Tools -> Processes does not work anymore ? Message-ID: <hketola.738607707@uclagsm> Date: 28 May 93 09:53:01 PDT I have a weird problem on my NS3.0. Suddenly clicking (in Workspace) Tools->Processes does nothing -no Processes panel at all. Also, when moving files, and when there are existing files in the receiving folder, I hear a system beep, the Workspace text "Moving xx files" turns from gray into white (indicating, I guess, that there should be a panel somewhere asking whether to skip, replace, stop the file operation) but I see no panel... If I do the same as root, I get the processes panel. Are my permissions somewhere screwed up? Any help is appreciated! Heikki Ketola
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov(Oscar Brooks) Subject: NewsGrazer Problem Message-ID: <1993May28.180953.2001@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Keywords: News NNTP Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 18:09:53 GMT I am using a SparcStation 2 as a news server for a bunch of NeXT computers. The NeXT use an appliaction (NewsGrazer) that has nntp built into it to communicate with nntp on the SUN. Everything has been working fine for about 8 months until suddenly the appliaction on the NeXT dies and breaks the connection to the SUN. In trying to determine what is going we have noticed that the SUN, when it gets a nntp connection, starts spawning numerous "localhost.sunsrpc". This is evident when you do a "netstat -a" on the SUN. Eventually the SUN creates to many sockets and uses all the resources. I have also tired just connecting to the SUN via "telnet SUN-NAME nntp" and numerous sockets still get created. The outcome is the same with using up all the resources. Can anyone give me a idea of what is wrong? Please respond to "obrooks@picard.ksc.nasa.gov" due to news server not being reliable. Oh, if you use "trn" on the SUN it still works fine. Following is example output of "netstat -a": dale# netstat -a Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) tcp 0 0 localhost.3573 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3572 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3571 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3570 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3569 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3568 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3567 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3566 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3565 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3564 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3563 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3562 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3561 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3560 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 0 localhost.3559 localhost.sunrpc TIME_WAIT tcp 0 702 dale.login worf.1023 ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 dale.nntp laforge.3136 ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 *.printer *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.chargen *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.daytime *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.discard *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.echo *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.time *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.finger *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.uucp *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.nntp *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.exec *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.login *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.shell *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.telnet *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.ftp *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.728 *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.725 *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.720 *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.716 *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.715 *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.* *.* CLOSED tcp 0 0 *.713 *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.smtp *.* LISTEN tcp 0 0 *.sunrpc *.* LISTEN udp 0 0 *.1035 *.* udp 0 0 *.1034 *.* udp 0 0 *.1033 *.* udp 0 0 *.1032 *.* udp 0 0 *.1031 *.* udp 0 0 *.1030 *.* udp 0 0 *.chargen *.* udp 0 0 *.daytime *.* udp 0 0 *.discard *.* udp 0 0 *.echo *.* udp 0 0 *.time *.* udp 0 0 *.talk *.* udp 0 0 *.biff *.* udp 0 0 *.name *.* udp 0 0 *.731 *.* udp 0 0 *.1029 *.* udp 0 0 *.1028 *.* udp 0 0 *.1027 *.* udp 0 0 *.1026 *.* udp 0 0 *.713 *.* udp 0 0 *.* *.* udp 0 0 *.710 *.* udp 0 0 *.2049 *.* udp 0 0 *.syslog *.* udp 0 0 *.659 *.* udp 0 0 *.sunrpc *.* udp 0 0 *.1025 *.* Active UNIX domain sockets Address Type Recv-Q Send-Q Vnode Conn Refs Nextref Addr ff65040c stream 0 0 fd838f78 0 0 0 /dev/printer ff64960c dgram 0 0 fd83dc78 0 0 0 /dev/log ff649b8c dgram 0 0 0 0 0 0 ff64b00c dgram 0 0 0 0 0 0 ff74978c dgram 0 0 0 0 0 0 THANKS !! O -- ------------------------------------------------ Oscar Brooks Mail Code: DL-DSD-24 Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 32899 Internet: obrooks@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: HELP: NS/I Install Problems! Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 28 May 93 10:39:08 PDT Message-ID: <1993May28.103908.16979@crash> I just picked up NEXTSTEP 3.1 for Intel Processors at NeXTWORLD EXPO in SF. I am trying to install it and am having trouble. I've called NeXT and gotten zero help ("go read the manual", "I don't know the answer", "read NeXTanswers", "I've never heard of that error message", etc.). Here is the machine configuration I have (it's a clone with good parts): AMI Super Voyager ISA-bus motherboard Local bus video (2MB VRAM) Local bus IDE hard disk controller 2 IDE drives: drive0: 320MB and drive1: 120MB Intel 486 DX/2-66 CPU 16 MB RAM Logitech serial mouse (3 button) Adaptec 1542C SCSI controller Texel external CD-ROM drive set to SCSI ID 0 NEC Multisync 5FG monitor Upon booting off of the floppy, the "NeXT Mach Operating System" banner comes up and a lot of stuff appears on the screen, as the bootup procedure checks out the machine configuration. Couple of things: first, it says "Warning: Using internal backup device configuration tables" is this bad? Then it says: PCPointer probe: mouseInit failure Then it registers the keyboard, SCSI bus, IDE drive 0, and then it just sits after displaying these lines: Registering: hd1 Registering: hd1a And sits there for 5-10 minutes before continuing with the right IDE info for the 2nd drive. Then more stuff including: Class "SMC16" not linked into application configureDriver: Couldn't find class named EtherExpress16 Then it says No CD-ROM drive found use sd%d, hd%d or fd%d root device? Anything I type in causes a panic. What exactly am I supposed to type there? Being a C programmer I am assuming it means to type sd0 hd0 fd0 or something like that. I've now tried booting a dozen times and everything results in: panic: (Cpu 0) vfs_mountroot: cannot mount root panic: NeXT Mach 3.1: Thu Apr 29 23:44:40 PDT 1993; root(rcbuilder): Objects/mk-149.22.3.obj~2/RELEASE_I386 Raise RDP exception 6 code 3 subcode 0 Waiting for RDP connection (type 'c' to continue) And then when I press 'c' I get a replot of those RDP lines ad infinitum. When I call NeXT I am told everyone is on vacation, or that I should PAY to talk to a systems engineer. Hey, NeXT, this is your problem not mine. Can anyone suggest what's wrong? I was really hoping I would be able to run NEXTSTEP on this machine and erase over Windows NT which is already on it :-). Looks like Windows NT is gonna stay there for a while unless I can get some help... -- brian ---------------- brian dear coconut computing, inc. brian@coconut.com
From: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com (Sandeep Kochhar x4618 5-2) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CD ROM causes crash.... Message-ID: <5285@cvbnetPrime.COM> Date: 27 May 93 20:25:07 GMT Sender: postnews@cvbnetPrime.COM Distribution: usa Organization: Computervision hi! Has anyone seen this happen? I insert a particular CDROM into the CDROM Drive attached to my NextStation (running 3.0) and it gets automounted properly (i.e. shows up on the File Manager or whatever the Session manager-like thing is called, or I can do "ls"). I click on it and the directory and file structure shows up too... However, when I double click on a file, Edit gets started, but then the system crashes (with a little window in the center of the screen showing a rapidly-scrolling list of crash-type messages) --- I then have to reboot manually or it reboots itself. The same behavior occurs if I try to read the file using "more" or anything else from the shell.... Any ideas what the problem might be... Are there incompatible CDROM formats that might cause crashes... Thanks in advance for any help... Sandeep Kochhar Computervision, MS 5-2 email: skochhar@cvbnet.cv.com 14 Crosby Drive tel: (617) 275-1800 x 4618 Bedford, MA 01730 fax: (617) 275-8506
From: djep@fountainhills.az.stratus.com (Dave_Jepson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Has NeXT REleased Hardware Specs fo NS/I Date: 28 May 1993 18:37:27 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <1u5m57$52e@transfer.stratus.com> In comp.sys.next.advocacy fischedj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (David J. Fischer) writes: > I may be premature, but has NeXT released the hardware requirements for > NS/I yet? I am waiting to see which how strongly EISA ports are recommended for > the system, and which vendors (DELL, Gateway, etc.) sell systems capable of > running NeXTSTEP out of the box. stuff deleted... On page 5 of the Hardware Compatibility Guide released at the show there are 2 Hardware Systems Integrators listed. (but no addresses or phone numbers) Continental Computer I do not know where they are located. GEC Computers 1901 E. University #300 Mesa AZ, 85203 800-486-1500 or 602-834-1111 -david jepson-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: HP Deal: Everything you want to know Message-ID: <1993May27.184031.8739@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 18:40:31 GMT I think the HP deal is by far the most important thing ever to happen for NeXT. In addition to the publicly announced information, I spent the last two days talking privately to almost everyone at HP and NeXT who was involved in the deal. Without revealing proprietary information, I will try to articulate why this deal was made and what impact it is expected to have on NeXT's and HP's long term strategies. Here are the three main technical components: 1) Object Enterprise -- Remember this phrase, because you're going to be hearing a lot more about it. OE is the heart of the deal. Object comes from NeXT, Enterprise comes from HP. The combination means deploying scalable solutions (Vectra, PA workstations, PA servers) that interoperate seamlessly by way of object-oriented technology in enterprise-wide environments. Developers can write one application, using an excellent development environment, that will run on all of those architectures. 2) Full native PA-RISC port. Avie Tevanian will run the project. It is already underway and moving quickly. HP is sending engineers and hardware to RWC, where the work will be performed by a combined team. Projected commercial shipping date is Q2 1994. I think that's easily achievable, given the level of cooperation involved and the DriverKit-based internal rearchitecture in NS 3.1. 3) Portable Distributed Objects (PDO). This is the sleeper in the deal, but the one with the greatest potential for broad long-term effect. The NeXT DO server technology will be ported to HP/UX. PDO means you can have NeXT objects living and working outside of NEXTSTEP, which is extremely important in distributed, heterogeneous enterprise-wide environments. Avie hinted publicly in the Tuesday afternoon briefing that after the HP/UX version is complete, the source code may be made available for porting PDO to other environments. Also, this implementation will be CORBA compliant, another sign of how rapidly things are changing inside NeXT. Projected delivery date is Q4 1993. Based on private discussions, my confidence in that date is very high. Here are the marketing components: 1) Joint marketing funds - HP and NeXT have both committed resources to a joint marketing pool. The first print ad, announcing the deal, was supposed to run in WSJ sometime this week. 2) Joint sales efforts - HP and NeXT will pursue accounts as partners and suggest whole-technology solutions composed of both companies' products. The intial market for these efforts will be financial services firms. At the Tuesday briefing, Jim McCrory (NeXT's financial services marketing guru) presented a slide indicating that trader workstations and other sophisticated financial service applications represent only the tip (50-100K) of a very large iceberg. When you get down to customer service applications, like bank tellers, retail stockbrokers, and insurance reps, the potential market exceeds 10,000,000 seats. Not that NeXT and HP are claiming they can capture all that business, just that the potential market is bigger than you might intuitively expect. 3) Road show - There will be a road show to repeat the information provided at the NWX conference in several big cities, to raise the level of interest and affirm the importance of the deal for both parties. Why is NeXT interested in the deal? If you have to ask that question, you're reading the wrong newsgroup. I'll give you my impressions of why this is important for those of us who try to sell this stuff: 1) HP is a strong, respected player. Their willingness to put at least part of their reputation at stake with a publicly visible alliance sends a powerful signal about NeXT's viability. 2) HP is a founding member of many standards organizations, especially in objects. NeXT is agreeing to be compliant with these standards. So much for the "NeXT is too proprietary" argument. 3) The payoff on this deal is long-term. The RISC port won't be available for almost a year. This was a protracted negotiation in which (it is my understanding) HP was given access to business information they needed to make their decision. HP believes NeXT will still be around a year from now to deliver the goods. If HP has seen the numbers and believes they work, that's good enough for me. So much for the "Isn't NeXT dead yet? Well, they will be soon" argument. I can sell against this objection on that basis alone. HP would not have committed if they feared NeXT would go away before the port completion date. Here's the hard question: Why is HP so darned interested? I think it's because NEXTSTEP gives them a compelling advantage in the enterprise solutions business. By their nature, enterprise solutions tend to be custom code written in-house. So now a financial services customer can go to HP, have them set up an enterprise-wide hardware and communications environment, and then give them a tremendously productive custom apps development system to write the software. The resulting applications will scale from the smallest Vectras to the most powerful Snakes with no code rewriting. Is that juicy enough for you? Two powerful financial customers, Swiss Bank Corp. and NationsBank CRT, gave short presentations at the Tuesday conference. I think it's safe to say that customers of this magnitude would not be as interested in either company's technology alone. NS on 486/Pentium isn't powerful and scalable enough for their enterprise environments, and HP alone isn't easy enough to develop custom applications for. (At this point, in my head I was hearing the old Reeses commercial, "Hey, you got your chocolate in my peanut butter." "No, you got peanut butter on my chocolate.") The synergy is really there, IMHO. I'll close with what I've learned from distributing 500 copies of my now-infamous case study: Lots of people would like to try NEXTSTEP. But they have skeptical bosses who want hard evidence of its benefits (hence the unexpectedly broad interest in the case study), and they need to feel confident that their efforts will have a future, that NS is not a closed solution. Those elements have now come together. There are no viable excuses left NOT to try NS in the kinds of situations HP intends to pursue. This is a big win for both parties, and exactly what I have been praying would happen. I am behind it 100%. If you agree, I encourage you to contact both companies and let them know. The people who put it together are red hot and ready to sell it aggressively inside their respective firms. Our community's support will help bolster their case. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History, despite its wrenching pain, Commander-in-Chief | Cannot be unlived, but if faced Anderson Financial Systems | With courage, need not be lived again." greg@afs.com (Nextmail OK) | -- Maya Angelou, "On the Pulse of Morning"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Re: How does NS handle Intel's segmented memory? Message-ID: <1993May28.125528.2372@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering References: <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 12:55:28 GMT In article <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> edlau@phoenix.princeton.edu writes: > >The professor who taught OS here this year decided to revamp the course >by having all the assignments be done in MS Windows. This gave me >first-hand experience to the joys of Windows programming on the PC: near >and far pointers, global vs. local memory allocation, 64K segments ... > >This leads me to ask, how does NS hide the oddities of Intel's segmented >memory model from the programmer? I would venture to say that all this >could be done by the code generation back-end of the compiler. But if >that's the case, why do Windows programmers have to put up with near and >far, etc.? > >--Ed Lau This is mainly because Windows is running on top of the limiting DOS. NeXTSTEP is running on top of Mach/BSD.......... Andy
From: t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HP Deal: Everything you want to know Message-ID: <2350@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> Date: 28 May 93 19:34:07 GMT References: <1993May27.184031.8739@afs.com> Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). Well, for the scientists who up to now faced a tough choice between between the hottest floating point hardware (PA-RISC (next to alpha)) and the best programming environment this also comes as very good news... Not all of us are financial traders (in fact, in theoretical physics a NeXT seems almost Standard Computing Equipment). Geert Jan van Oldenborgh
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need help--trouble installing RCS Message-ID: <15538@news.duke.edu> Date: 28 May 93 20:03:25 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin I have installed GNU version 3.2 of diff/diff3 on our system in /usr/local/bin. Now I'm trying to install RCS (version 5.6). Outside of a few compiler warnings, the install appeared to go just fine. But when I run 'make installtest', it konks out during a test of rcsmerge. I wrote to the e-mail address provided in the RCS README for advice. He suggested that when this happens it's generally because either the Makefile defines for diff3 are incorrect, or because the vendor- supplied (i.e., NeXT) diff3 is lacking in some way. That's all. I checked my RCS Makefile, and it's looking in /usr/local/bin for diff3 just as it should. So that eliminates both of his suggestions. Has anyone had any experience with this recently and figured out the problem? Thanks-- Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mheubi@itr.ch (Matthias Heubi) Subject: ATI Ultra Pro and 8 Bit Monochrome Message-ID: <1993May28.194956.13783@itr.ch> Sender: usenet@itr.ch Organization: Interkantonales Technikum Rapperswil (ITR) Switzerland Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 19:49:56 GMT It is stated by NeXT that the ATI driver accepts parameters to define screen resolution/depth. However, it seems only to recognize the 5 predefined modes. Does anyone know how to put an ATI Ultra Pro into 1280 x 1024 monochrome mode? Thanks, Matthias -- Matthias Heubi mheubi@itr.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mnb2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Mark Nathan Broadie) Subject: Connecting an HP LaserJet II to a NeXTstation Message-ID: <1993May28.134033.18395@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University References: <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> <1993May28.125528.2372@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 13:40:33 GMT Sorry if this is a FAQ. Does anyone know how to connect an HP LaserJet II to a NeXTstation. Currently, whenever I need to print, I've been copying the file to a floppy, then printing from a PC connected to the HP. I would like to connect the printer directly to my NeXTstation (running 2.1) so that I can print arge postscript files (the HP is not a postscript printer). Thanks. mark broadie mnb2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: mbk@lyapunov.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HP Deal: Everything you want to know Date: 28 May 1993 21:15:14 GMT Organization: Institute For Nonlinear Science, UCSD Message-ID: <1u5vd2INNnhh@network.ucsd.edu> References: <2350@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> t19@nikhef.nl (Geert J v Oldenborgh) writes: : : Well, for the scientists who up to now faced a tough choice between between : the hottest floating point hardware (PA-RISC (next to alpha)) The Alpha hasn't been blowing away the competition in real tests, compared to what people had projected. Surprisingly (but probably not to those at HP) systems with PA-RISC, Mips, and sometimes RS6000 processors have beaten new Alpha systems. It may be compiler immaturity for the Alpha, but then again, maybe not. Pretty soon, we'll all be limited by memory speed anyway so the CPU won't make that much a difference. (At which point probably Intel's Septium will end up on top.... :-( ) : and the best : programming environment this also comes as very good news... Not all of us : are financial traders (in fact, in theoretical physics a NeXT seems almost : Standard Computing Equipment). Perhaps also some Sun shops will start to think about HP machines too. At least around here, we've known that HP's are really fast, but lots of people have misgivings about HP-UX. With Sun irritating many people with the new S5R4+junk Solaris, and mounting frustration at YP....who knows. I'll mention this to my adviser for computer planning. (Right now we have about 10 Suns,an SGI, and a NextStation Turbo). : Geert Jan van Oldenborgh -- -Matt Kennel mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu -Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego -*** AD: Archive for nonlinear dynamics papers & programs: FTP to -*** lyapunov.ucsd.edu, username "anonymous".
From: disc@vector.intercon.com (David Casti) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc Subject: Re: WANTED: A simple, flat database Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc Date: 28 May 1993 21:17:05 GMT Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA Message-ID: <1u5vgh$526@news.intercon.com> References: <1u2ivm$c6h@news.intercon.com> David Casti (disc@vector.intercon.com) wrote: : I have what should be a very simple need. I would like to have a flat : file database accessible from terminal sessions on my NeXT. Since so many : 400 level CS classes have students write flat databases, I thought it : would be a trivial task to find a PD program I could just compile and : run... but I couldn't find one. Thanks for all the helpful response to this inquiry. I've settled on "EDB" which runs under gnu emacs. It's slow and database design is overly sophisticated for my need, but I've managed to modify the example databases quickly and I'm a satisfied customer. David. ============================================================================= David Casti Internet: disc@vector.intercon.com Technical Support Engineer InterCon Systems Corporation Phone: (703) 709-5554 950 Herndon Parkway, Suite 420 FAX: (703) 709-5555 Herndon, Virginia 22070 ============================================================================= No official InterCon correspondence will ever have vector.intercon.com as the return address. =============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Message-ID: <1993May28.142255.2863@dvorak.amd.com> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas References: <128600@netnews.upenn.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 28 May 93 14:22:55 GMT In article <128600@netnews.upenn.edu> arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) writes: >>In article <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> adunn@fnalf.fnal.gov writes: >>> Also, how do things like Mathematica and WriteNow run on 3.1 ( NeXT hardware >>)? >>> Would it kill my thesis-writing to upgrade? >>> >> >>Be careful! There IS NO WriteNow under NS/Intel since WriteNow was written >>mostly in Assmebler!!! If this is untrue, someone please correct me... >> No need for WriteNot (err...WriteNow) under NS/I. RightBrain has a new product which reads WriteNow files. Knowing RightBrain it should be cool! -- Ronald Pomeroy Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail is more fun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Message-ID: <1993May28.040311.591@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Organization: Digital Fix Development References: <128600@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 04:03:11 GMT Noam H. Arzt writes > In article <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> adunn@fnalf.fnal.gov writes: > > Also, how do things like Mathematica and WriteNow run on 3.1 ( NeXT hardware > )? > > Would it kill my thesis-writing to upgrade? > > > > Be careful! There IS NO WriteNow under NS/Intel since WriteNow was written > mostly in Assmebler!!! If this is untrue, someone please correct me... Well, RightBrain has gotten the WriteNow file technology from AppSoft, and has announced a low-end word processor that will support WriteNow files. I would be VERY surprised if it wasn't released as a FAT binary, since according to the PR it is based on the TEXT object, and not WriteNow or PasteUp. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: HP Deal: Everything you want to know Message-ID: <1993May28.224508.11684@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1u5vd2INNnhh@network.ucsd.edu> Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 22:45:08 GMT Matt Kennel writes > The Alpha hasn't been blowing away the competition in real tests, > compared to what people had projected. Surprisingly (but probably > not to those at HP) systems with PA-RISC, Mips, and sometimes > RS6000 processors have beaten new Alpha systems. It may be > compiler immaturity for the Alpha, but then again, maybe not. Yes, it is. When the compiler is having a good day, it can generate code that can crank. Of course, it doesn't have a good day very often. In fact, it's been a couple of months since I've had the compiler act like it was a good day. The smart framebuffer, however, really cranks on 2-D graphics. Considering it costs nearly the same as a dumb framebuffer, yet it outperforms most hardware 2d decellerator cards costing much more, it's my <current> favorite video implementation. I only wish it was on the system board, though, and not hung out on the TURBOchannel... If hardware were the only consideration, the 3000/400 would be my choice for doing any 2d graphics work. But, since software counts :-), I'll be saving up for a snake w/NEXTSTEP. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Date: 28 May 1993 23:18:13 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u66jl$2qu@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <C7pLyy.u5t@ns1.nodak.edu> brian@gehenna.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian R. Glaeske) writes: > arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) writes: > >Be careful! There IS NO WriteNow under NS/Intel since > >WriteNow was written mostly in Assmebler!!! > > WriteNow is not being made anymore. It is now called AppSoft Write. > I've heard this somewhere else also. Possibly in a NeXTWorld magazine. > > After running strings(1) on the executable of WriteNow, I would have > to say NO it is NOT written in assembly. It's the Mac version of WriteNow which is well-known for being written in Assembler. That's how they end up with software which can run on ancient machines (such as Plusses) without being slow and cumbersome, and still have a decent set of features. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: zeke@znext.cts.com (james dehnert) Subject: 3.0 -> 3.1 upgrade for Black Hardware Message-ID: <1993May28.190957.5583@znext.cts.com> Keywords: upgrade,3.1 Organization: pnet Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 19:09:57 GMT After talking to my local campus bookstore I discovered that NeXT is dealing with the 3.0 -> 3.1 upgrade for Black Hardware itself. I called 1-800-848-NeXT and was told to call the following number to purchase my upgrade. 1-800-677-6398 Have your registration # handy when you call if you have not yet sent in your registration card ( it's on the CD ). Also, you need to know the zip code thet you registered under, and be prepared to help thenm find you. In my case they had my current address, and old zipcode, and my last name was mis-spelled. It just took a little checking and I was found and corrected in their data base. Shipping for 3.1 is slated for sometime next month ( late next month most likley ) Zeke -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+\|/+= Eschew Obfuscation Next Mail Welcome =+\|/+= +=/|\=+ James "Zeke" Dehnert zeke@znext.cts.com +=/|\=+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: How does NS handle Intel's segmented memory? Message-ID: <1993May28.192451.17844@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> <1993May28.125528.2372@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 19:24:51 GMT In article <1993May28.125528.2372@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: >In article <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> edlau@phoenix.princeton.edu writes: >> >>The professor who taught OS here this year decided to revamp the course >>by having all the assignments be done in MS Windows. This gave me >>first-hand experience to the joys of Windows programming on the PC: near >>and far pointers, global vs. local memory allocation, 64K segments ... >> >>This leads me to ask, how does NS hide the oddities of Intel's segmented >>memory model from the programmer? I would venture to say that all this >>could be done by the code generation back-end of the compiler. But if >>that's the case, why do Windows programmers have to put up with near and >>far, etc.? >> >>--Ed Lau > > >This is mainly because Windows is running on top of the limiting DOS. >NeXTSTEP is running on top of Mach/BSD.......... > >Andy Eh, not exactly. Windows was designed to use the 16-bit segments provided on the earlier 80x86 machines. If you use 32-bit segments, you can basically share one for code, data, and stack, which is up to 4G in size. With the WIN32S DLLs you can actually run applications that use a 32-bit segment, and the DLLs do the translation of system calls to the 16-bit environment. With this environment youll be able to develop an application that can run on either Windows or Windows NT, and ignore all near/far nonsense. If you want to see segments used well, check out something like Multics or NOS/VE. Segments are not inherently cursed! -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) Subject: BackSpace Message-ID: <C7rsGF.MnA@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 04:00:15 GMT Could someone who has BackSpace under NS 2.x please send it to me. Brian sela@iastate.edu P.S.--Please warn me before sending so I don't get flooded. Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Mail server Message-ID: <1993May28.220654.2007@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 22:06:54 GMT I would like information on Mail Servers. What I am thinking of is when you send a message to an address, the address is actually a program that does some processing of that request. What software is available for NeXT? Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Two-headed PCs for NeXTSTEP/FIP Date: 29 May 1993 05:24:46 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u6s2u$cng@umd5.umd.edu> Hi, At the expo, a couple of NeXT employees told me that it is possible to configure a PC with two (2) screens by using two different video cards (e.g. S3 and ATI VL-BUS). This is going to be supported in 3.2, but should be in 3.1 (unsupported). Can anyone with a two-headed NeXTSTEP PC tell me what their hardware configuration is? Thanks, Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
From: shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT color monitors information Message-ID: <128813@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 29 May 93 04:54:57 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: University of Pennsylvania As you may recall I posted a while ago regarding replacements/repair of NeXT color monitors. Here is some information I found, that might be useful to others. The cheapest source I could find for replacements is from Sam Goldberger of Spherical Solutions [smg@orb.com]. He sells 17" fimi monitors for $600 and 21" Hitachi monitors for $1400. They come with a 30 day warranty from spherical and a 1 year NeXT warranty. Sam, please correct me if I am wrong. I think that the prices are quite good, but the fimi is notoriously unreliable! I had many responses about the fimi being the most pathetic thing on the market, and I have to agree. One person last year I remember had a lab full of 25 new color workstations all equipped with fimi's - of which 10 monitors died within months - unbelievable! The hitachi's are on the other hand very reliable, and people inside NeXT tend to prefer them even over the 17" sony monitors. If you are looking to repair your monitor - don't ask Bell Atlantic unless you are prepared to spend mammoth amounts. The asked $1462 to service my 17" fimi! Distraught by this price I called Phillips who are the actual manufacturers of the monitor - turns out that the monitor is manufactured at a plant in Italy and Phillips service centers based in US wont service them. They did however refer me to the only place they knew of (in the US) who would - Pixelink Corporation in Hudson MA (508-562-4803). I called them and they recognized the monitor. They require a $90 flat fee plus whatever service costs they deem necessary - they will quote you a price after you ship them your unit and they have examined it and assessed the damage. They told me that the repair costs could total as much as $300 but are usually considerably less. As for me, my fimi magically returned to life today, after opened it up jiggled the power supply and put it back together again. The screen image is still shaking and blurring frequently and I don't trust it to remain alive indefinitely. I was offered a very good deal on a Hitachi from someone at NeXT and I'm going to purchase that. Hopefully that will last me for 2 years by which time I hope to move on to my PA/RISC NS machine!! :) If anyone wants to add any of their experiences, please do .. Cheers, --- Shumon Huque 4706 Hazel Avenue, Department of Computer Science Philadelphia, PA 19143 University of Pennsylvania, (215)726-1527 Internet: shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu, shuque@aurora.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu Subject: Back from EXPO Message-ID: <C7s09E.Ez1@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 06:48:49 GMT Well, I'm back from Expo and I really don't know where to begin... So I won't ;^) Really though, too much to try and tell. If anyone has any questions send email. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ I'll cross my heart and hope to die but the needle's already in my eye. _______________________________________________________________________________ Kevin Solie
From: athos@pendragon.com (Rick Eames) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSI: Diamond Viper Supported? Date: Fri, 28 May 93 18:17:24 Organization: Pendragon Enterprises Message-ID: <rme05am1.2o1tk1@pendragon.pendragon.com> Hi, I tried to ask this at the expo to no avail, but is the Diamond Viper card expected to be supported any time soon? A lot of the systems I have looked at use that card for video graphics. Cheers, Rick Eames
Rick Eames CompuServe: 76666,2114 athos@pendragon.com AOL: EamesR Be The Ball.
#################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: legal question Message-ID: <C7rA46.2B1@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993May28.172721.24402@newshost.lanl.gov> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 21:24:05 GMT In article <1993May28.172721.24402@newshost.lanl.gov> ryne@beta.lanl.gov (Robert Ryne) writes: #I've got a legal question, and since I couldn't find anything in #misc.legal, I decided to try here. # #Consider the following hypothetical situation: #Suppose I have developed some software over a period of years. #For whatever reason, I do not charge anything for it, and I #give it to anyone who asks. Eventually I decide to put it at #an anonymous ftp site, so it will take less of my time. #Here's the problem: Even though I don't charge for my software, #I would be annoyed if someone spent, say, one week adding frills #to it and then sold it for profit. # #Can I legally prevent this from happening? #Since I own the copyright, can I include a statement like #"By accepting this software, the user agrees not to include #this software, modified or unmodified, in a software package #that is sold for profit?" Does having the software at an #anonymous ftp site affect the situation? Yes you can do that. You can state that anyone wishing to do so contact you for authorization. Since the copyright is yours no one can add to and sell the software if you specifically state that no one can distribute a modified version of your program. It doesn't matter how the SW is distributed if you own the copyright. Giving to software away in no way affects your rights as the copyright holder. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: taw@kepler.unh.edu (Tom Wagner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <1u5d1f$mps@mozz.unh.edu> Control: cancel <1u5d1f$mps@mozz.unh.edu> Date: 28 May 1993 18:32:49 GMT Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH Distribution: na Message-ID: <1u5lsh$o2c@mozz.unh.edu> References: <1u5d1f$mps@mozz.unh.edu> Originator: taw@kepler.unh.edu <1u5d1f$mps@mozz.unh.edu> was cancelled from within rn.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: coke can at expo Message-ID: <1993May29.092729.1595@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993May28.171903.24786@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> <1993May28.223018.8563@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 09:27:29 GMT ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu cd graphics/gif/c binary get coke_can coke_can.gif bye Then use Lennart Lovstrand's ImageViewer.app to convert it to something useful. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: coke can at expo Message-ID: <1993May29.092544.1487@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993May28.171903.24786@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> <1993May28.223018.8563@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 09:25:44 GMT ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu cd graphics/gif/c binary get coke_can bye mv coke_can coke_can.gif Then use Lennart Lovstrand's ImageViewer.app to convert it to something useful. -=EPS=-
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: coke can at expo Message-ID: <1993May28.223018.8563@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 22:30:18 GMT References: <1993May28.171903.24786@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com Distribution: usa Organization: GiantLeap Software P. Kim writes >wandering around expo, i noticed that a lot of the machines had a nice tiff >of a coke can. suspecting that this was some sort of conspiracy by coca-cola, >i asked one of the exhibitors about it. he told me that the tiff was at the >archive sites but i just checked and it's no where to be seen (purdue just Was that the one submitted by Clarence Thomas? :-) -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <C7rwA4.JLp@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 05:22:51 GMT Can someone tell me what incantation I have to perform to get CDPlayer.app to work on my slab running 3.1? I've got the Official NeXT Black CD-ROM Drive. When I double-click CDPlayer.app, I just get a little message box saying "Couldn't open the CDROM drive". And if I just try shoving an audio disk into the drive, naturally the Workspace Manager tries to mount it as sd2 and horks it back out at me. I know this is probably a FAQ, but the FAQs in comp.sys.next.announce have long since expired at my site, and I don't have direct Internet access. Thanks, Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Impossible to order the Education package! Message-ID: <1993May28.183259.506@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. References: <C7qt9E.LJx@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 18:32:59 GMT In article <C7qt9E.LJx@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Derek Kwan writes: > In article <1993May25.183119.22749@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> > woneill@astro.ocis.temple.edu (William O'Neill) writes: > } I've been going in circles trying to get some info about ordering the > } Academic Bundle for the Intel platform. The NeXT salespeople say we have to > } order through some reseller and the reseller says we have to order it > } through a bookstore. What kind of arrangement is this? Do they want to sell > } their product or see how many middle men they can get in the whole process? Sounds pretty frustrating. I think that the reseller for most Universities is the bookstore. So, that is why you have been sent there. Normal resellers cannot sell edu packages because of the need for university association verification. It may be that your reseller/bookstore hasn't gotten the ordering information yet. But, in almost all cases, they are the ones you need to deal with. ---- Really long press release appended for no apparent reason was deleted from below this line. (The developer special has no real value to HE customers since it doesn't come with an upgrade. But, I think, the HE bundle does) -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. Joe@FreemanSoft.com 919.783.7033
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Subject: Re: Mail server In-Reply-To: jspears@weston.com's message of Fri, 28 May 1993 22:06:54 GMT Message-ID: <KARTHY.93May29134204@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: news@dannug.dk (Usenet news owner) Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group References: <1993May28.220654.2007@weston.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 12:42:04 GMT >>>>> On Fri, 28 May 1993 22:06:54 GMT, jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) said: Wes> I would like information on Mail Servers. What I am thinking of is when Wes> you send a message to an address, the address is actually a program that Wes> does some processing of that request. Wes> What software is available for NeXT? If you just wan't to execute a command, then you only need to modify your .forward file or make an entry i /etc/sendmail/aliases - no extra software is required. If you would like to open an archive (kind of ftp by email), then I can recommand the Squirrel Mail Server Software, version 3.1. From the readme: The Squirrel Mail Server is a mail response program. You can send email to it, and it will try to react sensible to your message. Main purpose of the mail server is to obtain files from a local archive or FTP servers. It is also possible to search for files and to generate directory listings. A powerful index mechanism obsoletes the need to transfer huge "ls-lR" files. While looking for files, the server knows about commonly used extensions to filenames (e.g. ".tar.Z" in "foo.tar.Z") and pseudo- standard version numbering (e.g. "gcc-2.1.tar.Z"). It is quite well possible that a simple request for "emacs" will actually transmit the file "gnu/emacs-18/dist/emacs-18.59.tar.Z". Delivery of information can take place via email or UUCP or both. Files are compressed if possible, encoded if necessary, and split into pieces if needed. If a transfer fails, it it always possible to request retransmission of the failed parts only. You can get it by Send a mail message to <mail-server@nluug.nl> with contents begin send mserv-3.1.tar.Z send XPatch-4.035.tar.Z end Btw: it requires perl 4.036 or later and GNU find. Regards Karsten.
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: .sig file. How's it all work? Message-ID: <1993May29.070243.5458@imani.cam.org> Date: 29 May 93 07:02:43 GMT Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Hi Subject says it all. Sorry if this is in the FAQ's, but where, under what name and in what format should the .sig file be, if that's it's name? Puzzled... Nicolas Dore
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Message-ID: <1993May29.070844.5518@imani.cam.org> Date: 29 May 93 07:08:44 GMT References: <C7pLyy.u5t@ns1.nodak.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <C7pLyy.u5t@ns1.nodak.edu> brian@gehenna.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu (Brian R. Glaeske) writes: > In article <128600@netnews.upenn.edu> arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) writes: > >In article <1993May25.173057.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> adunn@fnalf.fnal.gov writes: > >Be careful! There IS NO WriteNow under NS/Intel since WriteNow was written > > WriteNow is not being made anymore. It is now called AppSoft Write. > > >mostly in Assmebler!!! If this is untrue, someone please correct me... > > I've heard this somewhere else also. Possibly in a NeXTWorld magazine. I don't know about this strings stuff (see below), but 1- WriteNow is a Macintosh app written originally in assembler (was written for Steve Jobs as a fall-back for MacWrite); > After running strings(1) on the executable of WriteNow, I would have to say > NO it is NOT written in assembly. 2- If it's not written in assembler, how come AppSoft won't make it available on NS/I for the immediate future (see the ExactWrite annoucement from Rightbrain for more details)? > > It looks like one painstaking time using appkit objects and writing the > assembler code to call methods. I sure would like to congratulate the > programmers if it was written in assembly. I hope they got lots of money and > are retired now. 3- The people at Frame did it, so I hear. So did those at Wordperfect. Can be done. One of the beauties of OOP, I'd venture (_very_ boldly) to say, to have an "app" object and an interface object, sort of a client-server thing. Anyway, just thought I'd write thoughts down. Ciao Nicolas Dore > > > > -- > Brian Glaeske > - /| glaeske@plains.NoDak.edu [NeXT Mail] > o.O` --Ooop ACK!! > =(___)= > U "Bloom County Forever!!"
Control: cancel <1993May29.092544.1487@csus.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: cancel <1993May29.092544.1487@csus.edu> Message-ID: <1993May29.141714.9379@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 14:17:14 GMT Damn C News!
From: tomh@halcyon.com (Thomas P. Hicks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BBS for NeXT??? Date: 29 May 1993 08:53:39 -0700 Organization: "A World of Information at your Fingertips" Sender: news@nwfocus.wa.com Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u80u3$30e@nwfocus.wa.com> Does anyone know of a BBS that can run on a NeXT? Thanks Tom tomh@halcyon.com
From: sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Nextstep system Message-ID: <1u87m1$eqb@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: 29 May 93 17:48:49 GMT Article-I.D.: pith.1u87m1$eqb Organization: University of Oregon, Eugene, Oregon I am looking for the best Nextstep system for under $7000.- I am a student and am interested in computer graphics 3d modeling in specific so I would like to get as much graphic "power " as possible. I would like some suggestions since I am new to the NextStep arena. I am also open to other OS machines for the same amount of money. I have been using Macintosh Machines for the last 8 years and am just growing tired of them. Thank you . Steve return address : SBM@oregon.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: phowell@alden6.alleg.edu (Paul Howell) Subject: Re: Huh? Tools -> Processes does not work anymore ? Message-ID: <1993May29.215234.24777@alleg.edu> Sender: news@alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College References: <hketola.738607707@uclagsm> Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 21:52:34 GMT In article <hketola.738607707@uclagsm> hketola@agsm.ucla.edu (Heikki Ketola) writes: > I have a weird problem on my NS3.0. Suddenly clicking (in Workspace) > Tools->Processes does nothing -no Processes panel at all. > Also, when moving files, and when there are existing files in the > receiving folder, I hear a system beep, the Workspace text "Moving xx > files" turns from gray into white (indicating, I guess, that there > should be a panel somewhere asking whether to skip, replace, stop the > file operation) but I see no panel... > If I do the same as root, I get the processes panel. > > Are my permissions somewhere screwed up? Any help is appreciated! > > Heikki Ketola I know next to nothing about system stuff, but I have accidentally moved the Processes window so far offscreen that it is almost invisible, and could easily be missed. Do you have VirtSpace, so that you could see the Processes window if it somehow has just been "misplaced"? Otherwise, I'm of no additional help, I suspect... -Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: DEC Alpha (was Re: HP Deal: Everything you want to know) Message-ID: <1993May29.204245.1672@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <1993May28.224508.11684@adobe.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 20:42:45 GMT In article <1993May28.224508.11684@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: > Matt Kennel writes > > > The Alpha hasn't been blowing away the competition in real tests, > > compared to what people had projected. Surprisingly (but probably > > not to those at HP) systems with PA-RISC, Mips, and sometimes > > RS6000 processors have beaten new Alpha systems. It may be > > compiler immaturity for the Alpha, but then again, maybe not. > > Yes, it is. When the compiler is having a good day, it can generate > code that can crank. Of course, it doesn't have a good day very > often. In fact, it's been a couple of months since I've had the > compiler act like it was a good day. > > The smart framebuffer, however, really cranks on 2-D graphics. > Considering it costs nearly the same as a dumb framebuffer, yet it > outperforms most hardware 2d decellerator cards costing much more, > it's my <current> favorite video implementation. I only wish it > was on the system board, though, and not hung out on the TURBOchannel... > > If hardware were the only consideration, the 3000/400 would be my > choice for doing any 2d graphics work. But, since software counts :-), > I'll be saving up for a snake w/NEXTSTEP. I've heard some very loud whispers about a NS port to Alpha, but nothing definite. To quote from a memo I received today, "NextStep is actively being ported." We're going to be talking to some KPC/DEC people on tuesday, and I'll relay any further information after then. > > -- > Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com > Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and > 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect > Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <1993May29.183331.15565@proponent.com> Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Proponent References: <C7nJEw.C01@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 18:33:31 GMT In article <C7nJEw.C01@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: > I guess that implies that if you've submitted a 3.0 program, you > should try to submit a fat 3.1 version sometime in the next few > months. I don't know how much of a rush there'll be. It is unreasonable to assume that everyone will want to install the larger development system required to build fat binaries. > submissions until I could test them personally. I >am< approving > 3.1 binaries now, with faith that the bad guys won't take advantage > of us. If you're paranoid, recompile programs from 3.0/src yourself. Most 3.1 binaries run on 3.0. -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
From: ricardo@batcave (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Saw Intel Hardware But... Message-ID: <1993May29.214258.13502@pencom.com> Date: 29 May 93 21:42:58 GMT References: <1u375kINNadt@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software In article Robert Delucca writes: > the Epson's video was clearly faster, but has ISA > slots only, while the Intel box has EISA, but slower video, > I'm told due to the software driver for it. The driver? --- I think it's because the video memory has wait states. -- + Ricardo J. Parada
From: ricardo@batcave (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Message-ID: <1993May29.214706.13627@pencom.com> Date: 29 May 93 21:47:06 GMT References: <128600@netnews.upenn.edu> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software In article Noam H. Arzt writes: > Be careful! There IS NO WriteNow under NS/Intel since WriteNow was written > mostly in Assmebler!!! If this is untrue, someone please correct me... > No one writes in assembly language under NEXTSTEP!! I think ExactlyWrite is compatible with WriteNow and it runs on NEXTSTEP/Intel. -- + Ricardo J. Parada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: HELP: NS/I Install Problems! Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 29 May 93 17:21:10 PDT Message-ID: <1993May29.172110.17171@crash> References: <1993May28.103908.16979@crash> This is a follow-up to my previous note. Thanks to all who responded! Especially those at NeXT, Inc. You don't KNOW how reassuring it is to hear from NeXT folks directly. I hope you will see this follow-up message and maybe you can reply again. Anyways, I made a minor error in the description of my i486DX2-66 hardware configuration. I shouldhave said that the SCSI adaptor was an Adaptec 1520, not an Adaptec 1542C -- I have the 1542C in another machine running SCO ODT 2.0. The 1520 is in the machine I am trying to run NEXTSTEP on. For review, the machine is as follows: Intel 486 DX2-66 16 MB RAM AMI Super Voyager II motherboard (ISA) Orchid Fahrenheit VA/VLB local bus video, 2MB VRAM Local bus (on motherboard) IDE controller 325MB IDE drive 1.44 MB floppy, 1.2 MB floppy NEC 5FG monitor Adaptec 1520 SCSI controller TEXEL DM-5024 external SCSI CD-ROM drive According to the cryptic Adaptec 1520 docs, it sez that only DMA address 0 is "valid". Is the following configuration OK for an AHA-1520 device: IRQ 11 DMA 0 Address Range 340H-35EH I disabled the second IDE hard disk, which NEXTSTEP could not deal with, or so it seemed, and now the main problem during bootup off of the NeXT floppy is the "No CD-ROM found" message, and then it asks for a root device of sd%d, hd%d or fd%d. I type sd0, since I have the CD-ROM as device 0, and I get a system panic, and then the two line message: Waiting for RDP connection (type 'c' to continue) Raise RDP exception 6 code 3 subcode 0 and I can press 'c' until I am blue in the face and nothing happens but more of these same two lines. Any suggestions?? ---------------- brian dear coconut computing, inc. brian@coconut.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Interrupt lines on Intel 80x86 chips? Message-ID: <C7rIB2.2LA@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1u2d37INNg76@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 00:21:02 GMT In article <1u2d37INNg76@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) writes: # #Now that we've got so many interested people, I'll repeat the question I asked a month ago and got #no response to: # #Has anybody measured the interrupt latency under NSFIP? # #Does NeXT make a claim? # #This is one of the key questions that determine whether NSFIP will be useful for real-time monitoring. # Unless a UNIX variant is advertised as real-time I wouldn't have my life depend on it doing fast interrupts. Since NS will be running a window manager/server I doubt that it will have real-time response. NS on black hardware is hardly real-time. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TeXview.app Message-ID: <50220@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 30 May 93 03:50:26 GMT References: <1993May25.024756.3272@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <1tujg5$3bl@moonshot.west.oic.com> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD I am having trouble getting TeXview from the 3.0 CD Rom to register that I want to use different directories that my home directory. My .cshrc file looks like : # # this file gets executed by every shell you start # # make sure the path is correct set path=(~/Unix/bin /usr/local/bin /usr/ucb /bin /usr/bin /usr/sybase/bin ~/Apps /LocalApps /NextApps /NextAdmin /NextDeveloper/Demos .) # setup umask to something reasonable umask 022 # make the prompt palatable if( ${?prompt} ) then set host=`hostname` set prompt="${host}> " set history=50 # put aliases and other things down here alias ls ls -aF alias mail /usr/ucb/Mail endif source $HOME/.aliases setenv TEXINPUT .:/usr/lib/tex/inputs:/Users/mstankus/Library/TeX/inputs:/Users/mstankus/TeXWork:/Users/mstankus/TeXWork/Agler.Helton.Stankus.Paper:/Users/mstankus/TeXWork/thesis.dir setenv TEXEDIT '/usr/bin/openfile %s:%d' cd Did I do something wrong? Page 16 of the manual (under the info menu in texview) says that it will read the .cshrc file. In any case, I did tex -v junk.tex from the command line where junk.tex is \input file.tex and file.tex is in the directory /Users/mstankus/Library/TeX/inputs Any help would be appreciated. No NeXT mail please...my next is not on the net. Thanks, Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pfkeb@kaon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Paul F. Kunz) Subject: Re: FAT binaries & NS3.0 In-Reply-To: M_Carling@BlueRose.com's message of Sat, 22 May 1993 17:30:26 GMT Message-ID: <PFKEB.93May29205529@kaon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center References: <EfzEeJq00iMFARl18X@andrew.cmu.edu> <1993May22.173026.854@bluerose.com> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 30 May 1993 03:55:36 GMT >>>>> On Sat, 22 May 1993 17:30:26 GMT, M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) said: > In article <EfzEeJq00iMFARl18X@andrew.cmu.edu> zonker+@CMU.EDU (Jeremy G. > Mereness) writes: >> >> >> For those of us who have not upgraded to 3.1, can we still make use of >> applications submitted as Fat Binaries? What has to be done? > Execution of fat binaries requires NS 3.0 or later. Not quite true. If fat application loads bundles, the fat bundles don't load under NS 3.0. I found this out the hard way. Very unfortunate. -- Paul F. Kunz Paul_Kunz@slac.stanford.edu (NeXT mail ok) Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University Voice: (415) 926-2884 (NeXT) Fax: (415) 926-3587
From: tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two-headed PCs for NeXTSTEP/FIP Message-ID: <JHPc5B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 93 03:04:06 CDT References: <1u6s2u$cng@umd5.umd.edu> Organization: TCS Consulting Services rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: > Hi, > At the expo, a couple of NeXT employees told me that it is > possible to configure a PC with two (2) screens by using two different > video cards (e.g. S3 and ATI VL-BUS). This is going to be supported in > 3.2, but should be in 3.1 (unsupported). Can anyone with a two-headed NeXTST > PC tell me what their hardware configuration is? Thanks, Ross. I would like to see this myself. Perhaps if the cards can be configured to truly become secondary. I know in DOS/Windows/OS2 and I believe it is a hardware limitation, that you can't run two VGA ro SVGA cards...one of them has to be the primary display. I can see how it might be possible with some special configurations, and Iw ould welcome to hear anyone's ideas on the matter, but am not to enthused about the psosibilities. I know it is no problem to connect a monochrome and VGA/SVGA to the same machine as I was running Windows like this for a whle.. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS Systems: TCS-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CDPlayer.app Message-ID: <68059@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 30 May 93 19:14:08 GMT References: <C7rwA4.JLp@molly.uucp> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <C7rwA4.JLp@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: > Can someone tell me what incantation I have to perform to get CDPlayer.app to > work on my slab running 3.1? I've got the Official NeXT Black CD-ROM Drive. read the release notes for 3.1 page 9 I think -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Photo-CD software Message-ID: <1993May30.153933.7874@imani.cam.org> Date: 30 May 93 15:39:33 GMT Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Hey there! Could someone send me a Photo-CD reader app for the NeXT. pCD0.3.1.tar.Z, wich is on the archive-server at purdue would seem to do just right, but the server won't send it to me (says it isn't there when the index says it is). So, if anyone can send it (Or something better 8^)) to me, thanks. I can take NeXTMail or straight ascii, but I guess it would have to be split. Anyway, if anybody can be of help... Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cancel <68059@mimsy.umd.edu> Message-ID: <68060@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 30 May 93 19:39:44 GMT References: <C7rwA4.JLp@molly.uucp> <68059@mimsy.umd.edu> Control: cancel <68059@mimsy.umd.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Originator: alex@seine.cs.umd.edu <68059@mimsy.umd.edu> was cancelled from within rn. -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Message-ID: <1993May30.155923.7981@imani.cam.org> Date: 30 May 93 15:59:23 GMT References: <1993May29.214706.13627@pencom.com> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1993May29.214706.13627@pencom.com> ricardo@batcave (Ricardo Parada) writes: > In article Noam H. Arzt writes: > > > Be careful! There IS NO WriteNow under NS/Intel since WriteNow was written > > mostly in Assmebler!!! If this is untrue, someone please correct me... > > > > No one writes in assembly language under NEXTSTEP!! I think ExactlyWrite is ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rightbrain = ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Not even _NeXT_?!? (They published Writenow (Steve used to own the rights for both mac and NeXT versions, since he'd had it done to have a back-up in case MacWrite didn't make it on time)). > compatible with WriteNow and it runs on NEXTSTEP/Intel. Appsoft = ^^^^^^^^ > > -- > + Ricardo J. Parada WriteNow is a port from the Mac. I have always heard it was written in assembler in both mac and NeXT versions (the Mac 1.0 version is _80k_. That's lightweight.). ExactlyWrite is an advanced text onject, from what I read in the annoucement, and is therefore _NOT_ related to WriteNow, except for the fact Appsoft sold the rights to the file format to Rightbrain. Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Help! I'm a new NeXTstation 8/200 NS2.2 owner. (Q) what I've received Message-ID: <1993May29.223652.2785@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X References: <1993May27.175754.5982@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 22:36:52 GMT In article <1993May27.175754.5982@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> skwong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai Kee (Graduate Assistant)) writes: > > 2) I didn't find any registration card for s/w or h/w. Without > registration, can I be guaranteed for any upgrade ? There must be one. Probably no upgrade without it. Ask your dealer ! > > 3) The whole package has 4 books only: setup & tutorials; user's > reference; applications; network and system administration. They are > talking about NS2.1, while the s/w in the HD is NS2.2, there is no any > attached sheet stated any words about 2.2. There is only a Release Notes > telling the difference between 2.1 & 1.0. I think it's not OK ? That's ok. > > 4) I found that no CD-ROM or floppy for the OS was included. So, if the > HD crashed, I cannot re-install the OS. Yes, that's a big problem. But on every UNIX-Box, you should have some backup-hardware like streamer, DAT, OD. Get a SCSI CD-ROM and the new 3.0-OS, than you can boot from the CD. > > 5) The HD is 200MB 35.4MB available. I was surprised that the > development tools (extended OS ?) was not installed in it ? I think they ar only installed if your disk is at least ~300MB. > > 6) The manual said that I should have WriteNow bundle, yet I have the > demo version only on the HD. Is the bundle discontinued after NS2.1 ? YES. > > 7) When I ordered the station, the catalogue of "NeXTSTEP release 3" > printed that: Every NeXT computer comes with a CD-ROM containing all > NeXTstep software of a given release. I asked the sales, he said no, > I would have 2.2 only. I must pay US310 for upgrade to 3.0. Is it true > or reasonable ? NO. You should get 3.0 including CD and registration card. > > I think I should be entitled to a free upgrade to 3.1. Can you direct > me to a relevant e-mail address or fax ? Your dealer. But he doesn't seem very reliable ... > > 8) The HD is 200MB but the carton box is labeled 400MB. I don't know > anything wrong. If you paid for 400MB, it is definitely wrong ! > > > Other problems regarding the NS3.0/3.1 > 1) Is the NeXT DataBase Kit bundled with NS3.0/3.1 ? YES. But you need a DB-Server (Sybase/Oracle) and that costs real money ! > > 2) The sales had quote a list of documentation to me (which was not > covered with the purchase of the computer): .... > Total: US$450 > > Should I buy it if I want to do intensive programming on the NeXT ? My opinion: No. If you have a printer, you can print the concepts-manual and read the stuff in bed or so. Because every documentation is online available (if you have the developers release), you can read the relevant things in Librarian. Or get a good book, for example Mahoney/Garfinkels intro into NeXTStep. I believe this would be enough, but thats mypersonal taste of course. > > Is there any hardware manual available ? > As far I know, NO. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Re: WANTED: A simple, flat database Message-ID: <1993May30.214131.1397@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software References: <1u4vjk$1he@news.intercon.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 30 May 1993 21:41:31 GMT David Casti writes > David Casti (disc@vector.intercon.com) wrote: > > : I have what should be a very simple need. I would like to have a flat > : file database accessible from terminal sessions on my NeXT. Since so many > : 400 level CS classes have students write flat databases, I thought it > : would be a trivial task to find a PD program I could just compile and > : run... but I couldn't find one. > > I've got a lot of response back about this from folks who recommend a > compilation of sed, awk, grep and sort. I suppose if that is the only way > to implement this, that's the way I may go. The problem is, that isn't > the way I want to go... Have you considered looking into the Indexing Kit? Under 3.0+ it is a very powerful package and would probably meet your needs splendidly. The indexing kit is the heart of Digital Librarian and DataPhile (in case you didn't know). Of course, you will probably want to do a bit of programming to create a nice command line interface, although (unless it has been removed since 2.1) there is already one there. -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Technologies Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Re: How does NS handle Intel's segmented memory? Message-ID: <1993May30.214746.1460@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software References: <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 30 May 1993 21:47:46 GMT Edward Siu Kueng Lau writes > > The professor who taught OS here this year decided to revamp the course > by having all the assignments be done in MS Windows. This gave me > first-hand experience to the joys of Windows programming on the PC: near > and far pointers, global vs. local memory allocation, 64K segments ... > > This leads me to ask, how does NS hide the oddities of Intel's segmented > memory model from the programmer? I would venture to say that all this > could be done by the code generation back-end of the compiler. But if > that's the case, why do Windows programmers have to put up with near and > far, etc.? > > --Ed Lau I'm not sure what approach NeXT has taken, but there are two things for certain: The segmenting is not a requirement of the '486 (at least, not as bad as Windows makes it seem). The '486 does have the ability to address something like 4 gigabytes of RAM directly by going into "protected" mode (I hope that's the right term). Also, of course, Mach is a bit different from MSDOS :-) and this accounts for much of the difference. DOS systems, and that includes Windows, have been backward compatible for a long time. This means they have to run in the DOS mode, which is a segmented architecture. Windows gets around this by using the '386 "protected" mode, but it's still a pain. My understanding, which is very shallow at best, is that Windows/NT has revamped this. Thus, if you're doing Windows/NT work, presumably you won't have to deal with segmented architectures... Just a guess, don't hold me to it! :-) -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Technologies Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! I'm a new NeXTstation 8/200 NS2.2 owner. (Q) what I've received Message-ID: <68061@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 31 May 93 00:03:33 GMT References: <1993May27.175754.5982@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> <1993May29.223652.2785@gamelan> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 skwong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai Kee (Graduate Assistant)) wrote: > 1) Is the NeXT DataBase Kit bundled with NS3.0/3.1 ? thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) replied: > YES. But you need a DB-Server (Sybase/Oracle) and that costs real money ! I think there is are cheaper alternatives, however. A company called SofDesign Solutions has an ad in the April/May NextWorld for a product called QuickBase that comes with a DBKit adaptor 1-(800)234-0900 There is also a product called Simpla but I dont have the ad for it. I seem to remember it being under $xxx :-), where x=2 -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.misc From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Subject: Re: WANTED: A simple, flat database Message-ID: <C7v63u.I2A@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1u2ivm$c6h@news.intercon.com> <1u5vgh$526@news.intercon.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1993 23:47:54 GMT >David Casti (disc@vector.intercon.com) wrote: >: I have what should be a very simple need. I would like to have a flat >: file database accessible from terminal sessions on my NeXT. Since so many >: 400 level CS classes have students write flat databases, I thought it >: would be a trivial task to find a PD program I could just compile and >: run... but I couldn't find one. Have a look at "jinx" (it's a perl script). Ask "archie" to find it. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca> Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: drew@fnbc.com (Drew Davidson) Subject: Re: Nextstep system Message-ID: <1993May30.212030.6117@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA References: <1u87m1$eqb@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: Sun, 30 May 93 21:20:30 GMT In article <1u87m1$eqb@pith.uoregon.edu> sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu writes: > I am looking for the best Nextstep system for under $7000.- > I am a student and am interested in computer graphics > 3d modeling in specific so I would like to get as much > graphic "power > " as possible. I would like some suggestions > since I am new to the NextStep arena. > > I am also open to other OS machines for the same amount of > money. I have been using Macintosh Machines for the last 8 > years and am just growing tired of them. > > Thank you . Steve I was at Expo this past week, and I was looking at the Intel GX workstation, being marketed by Workstation 2000. It looks like a really nice developer-class machine could be had for $6000 (24M RAM, 1G HD, LocalBus Video, ProAudio Spectrum sound - all on board!; 17" Color Sony monitor). There are cheaper configurations available; As to a 3D modeller, I think that nPoint has a fantastic package available (I should be buying this as soon as I can save enough pennies!) for $995. There are 3 other modellers that I looked at, but nPoint's Frontface has the best interface and features for the money. I don't have their email address handy right now, but if someone else has it handy and can post, that would be great! > return address : SBM@oregon.uoregon.edu -- +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Drew Davidson | "Never ask a programmer if he'll have | | Software Guy | another cup of coffee because it's | | First National Bank of Chicago | nobody's damn business how much he's | | drew@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | already had!" - me | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Configuring an old Hayes 1200 modem on an 030 cube Message-ID: <8808@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 30 May 93 05:06:19 GMT Sender: news@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. I am trying to set up one of the people in our studio with an old Hayes Smartmodem (1200 Baud) on an 030 Cube. I have given them one of the Mac modem cables that I used when I had an 030 cube which worked great with my 2400 baud Hayes-compatible modem. When I tested my modem on this person's cube, it worked fine with this cable, but when I connect up their modem and attempt to access it via tip or kermit, I get the "device busy" message. This person's modem does not appear to have any non-volatile memory; it does not understand any of the AT& commands for setting registers, so I cant find any way to change how what it does with carrier-detection or DSR. It is my guess that it is somehow setting these permenantly on (it was being used with an old dumb terminal) and this is why the NeXT device thinks it is busy. One final thing: this older modem worked with an 040 cube using the 040-style modem cables. That doesnt help me on the 030, though. Any suggestions on what might be wrong and how it could be fixed? Thanks in advance! -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Subject: Reading Macintosh diskettes, resource forks of files? Message-ID: <OTTO.93May30040151@tukki.jyu.fi> Sender: otto@jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company Distribution: comp Date: Sun, 30 May 1993 02:01:51 GMT I'd like to find information how I could read the resource forks of files on a Macintosh diskette. As you probably know, all-resource files show up as zero-length files on the Unix filesystem. I looked thru NeXTanswers, that didn't have it. Pointers? -- /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ /* Mail: Kauppakatu 1B18/SF-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N25.44E */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TeXview.app problem solved Message-ID: <50237@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 30 May 93 19:19:08 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD The problem I had was that it was TEXINPUTS and not TEXINPUT. Thanks to everyone who responded. Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Gregory W. Gee <gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Subject: At what cost is it for 3.0 to 3.1 ? Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 06:55:21 GMT Message-ID: <9305310655.AA23073@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> To: comp.sys.next.misc@newshost.uwo.ca Sender: daemon@julian.uwo.ca (Julian System Daemon Account) Sorry to be ingorant if this was discussed before but it sounds as if the upgrade from 3.0 to 3.1 will cost me. I thought upgrades of a version such as *.0 to *.1 were free. Is this true or will I have to fork out more dough for this upgrade? Thanks. Please respond by mail if possible. **************************************************************************** Greg Gee gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Honours Computer Science, ggee@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario NeXT Mail accepted >>> Developing in the NeXT generation <<< ****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.workstation,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,su.market,ba.market,su.org.ccrma.bboard From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Lower price for NeXTStation Color Message-ID: <1993May31.082000.4200@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Mon, 31 May 93 08:20:00 GMT I have a color NeXTStation for sale (because I have one too many, not because I'm dissatisfied): 25MHz 68040 (15 MIPS), (+ DSP 56001, etc) 16MB RAM, 250MB internal HD, 17" color monitor (Megapixel resolution, 16 bit color) NeXTStep 3.0, Mathematica 2.0 license, $3900 or best reasonable offer (make an offer!). For an additional 16MB, add $400. For a 400MB hard drive instead of 250, add $200. I'm willing to sell the 16MB separately, but I won't sell it until I sell the computer. I'm not selling both hard drives -- I need to keep one of the two. Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) Subject: Re: PPP for NeXT Message-ID: <oorient.738838008@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Keywords: PPP,ANDI,NeXT Sender: news@ucc.su.OZ.AU Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia References: <1qhh59$lkm@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <C6rJB1.64C@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 08:46:48 GMT What are the costs of SLIP and PPP services in the US? in UK? In Australia, this is aud5000 per year, and this seems unreasonable to me. Piotr Palacz
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is Gourmet.app? Message-ID: <50295@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 31 May 93 16:06:59 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD Hi, I do not have Gourmet.app. Is it available for NS 3.0? Is it on the CD ROM? Is it available through anonymous ftp? If the answer to the above three questions is no, I would still like to look at the source so that I can work on trying to work with the interface builder in connection with mathematica. If the answer to the above three questions is no and you can e-mail me the application, please e-mail me a non-NeXT note saying so. I don't want to have many copies of it in my mailbox. Thanks, Mark Stankus
From: mitroo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Varun Mitroo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: NeXT Graphing Software Date: 31 May 1993 16:47:03 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <1udcq7$i4p@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <1tu0kj$8e7@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Thanks to everybody who responded to my post on May 25 about plotting programs for the NeXT. Here are some of the useful responses: Varun ----------------------------- SciPlot.app you'll find it at cs.orst.edu - it's shareware. I really like GnuPlot, a NeXT interface to GNU's gnuplot. It isn't the fanciest thing in the world (because gnuplot isn't) but it is pretty useful in my experience. One of my favorite NeXT programs. Available on one or both of the archive sites. I use nxyplot. It's on the archives. I think it's fine for doing graphs on the fly. Very intuitive to use, easy to adjust labels and stuff, including fontsize. Reads in multiple files. Try NXYPLOT: 2.0-release/source/nxyplot1.87.tar.Z on sonata For histos try HIPPODRAW: submissions/HippoDraw1.1.tar.Z Get SciPlot from your nearest archive (or from me, if you can't find it).It does what you want very painlessly (and a lot more, too). On NS3.0 there is an example directory (I can't remember where) which contains source for the program Graph.app. This will do what you want. try 'SciPlot3.1' which you can get from the archives. It is not as simple to use as cricket graph, but easy enough to be usefull and more powerfull. It has some very enhanced features. Another possibility would be GnuPlot. There exists an interface for NeXT on the archives I think and recently I read about a new version comming soon. Try SciPlot. It is on the archives. Cheap ($35), public domain, and really quite powereful. I have always liked NXYPlot for the NeXT. You get the sources so that if you don't like the it does something, you can change it. I have also found that SciPlot is a nice package, but doesn't provide source code. There are a few commercial packages, DAN is one that comes to mind. There is also a package produce by a swedish company that I can't recall the name of. The beta version is on the archives I think it is Object_Something.... Try the SciPlot which a sharware you can get from cs.orst.edu. It is great! There are several very full featured products in the works but the existing applications will work fine for what you want. 1) Gnuplot - Public Domain and there is a NeXT front end for it. Will do simple 2 & 3 D plots. Reads ascii files for data and commands or can use NeXT menu for commands 2) nxyplot - a NeXT app for graphing. Nice but limited in its features. Takes simple ascii file as data input. 3) SciPlot - a NeXt app for graphing. Has some data manipulation features and a spreadsheet like input window. Never can get it to do all the things I want but has many features. Shareware. There are several available on the archives. Two that I'm familiar with are GNU plot (which I hear now has a spiffy NeXTSTEP front end) and Hippoplotamus, which we use in High Energy Physics for numerous things. You can use SciPlot 2.0, available at sonata.cc.purdue.edu, really quite good. Also there is NXYplot which is also cool. If you don't/can't get these please let me know and I will NeXTmail you a copy. Why don't you write one. (Thanks, Mark!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) Subject: Re: How does NS handle Intel's segmented memory? Message-ID: <abellC7wMDo.H2p@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> <1993May30.214746.1460@dolphin.com> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 18:36:59 GMT After seeing more than a few posts on this, here's the straight story: On the original 8086 architecture, pointers are made by adding two 16-bit registers together, one of which has been implicitly shifted left by 4 bits. The result is a 20-bit number. The left-shifted register is called a segment register. These are an unmitigated pain in the ass. Intel's marketing department wrote lots of condescending articles, trying to make people believe that real programs never use arrays > 64KB. Finally, amid peals of laughter, they gave up, and introduced "Protected Mode" on the 80286. The segment registers were still there, but the values they contained were indexes into a table of segment base addresses, and the left-shifting was increased to 8 bits, allowing 24-bit addresses. Protected Mode was clearly an improvement, except that Microsoft never retrofitted it into DOS, and the only use it ever sees on most PCs involves third-party software trickery to permit access to memory beyond the original 1MB limit of the 8086. The 80386 and '486 have each tweaked the definition of Protected Mode a little bit, making it harder than ever to write compatible software that really uses the machine well. Fortunately(?), the 386 and 486 are 32-bit machines, so, as long as you aren't trying to write a DOSsy program, you can throw the CPU into 32-bit mode, set the segment registers once, and forget about them. All of the worry about near- or far-pointers goes away. It's not that segment registers are intrinsically bad. On a machine with multiple users and virtual memory, they're really OK. But the initial architecture was horribly underpowered, with other consequences that we still have to sweat today, even if we don't have to live with near or far anymore. Steve abell@netcom.com
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: 31 May 1993 14:20:37 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> The 3.1 license says the following: 6. PRINTING You are licensed to use the NeXT Software to output bitmaps generated by the PostScript interpreter included with the NeXT Software (a) to create images for display on your computer screen, (b) to putput to Group III or Group IV facsimile devices, (c) to output to any device containing its own PostScript language interpreter, and (d) to output to either (i) NeXT Laster Printers or (ii) NeXT Color Printers manufactured prior to April 1993 (i.e., black NeXT-labeled printers). You are not otherwise licensed to print PostScript language files created with your NeXT Software without an additional license available from NeXT. WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS? NeXT, YOU GODDAMN ASSHOLES THIS IS A PIECE OF TOTAL DOG DOOKY. WHAT ABOUT ALL THAT CRAP ABOUT "SUPPORTING NON POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS" YOU'VE BEEN SAYING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS!?!?!?! THIS IS AN UNREASONABLE RESTRICTION AND I'M GOING TO GIVE IT AS MUCH BAD PRESS AS PEOPLE I KNOW IN THE INDUSTRY! Simply put, it quite clearly states that I cannot use, say, my HP500C on my slab if I upgrade to 3.1, without spending time and money to obtain a separate license from NeXT. I don't give a damn about Adobe's 'fuck them all' attitude, you, NeXT, should not have allowed them to force you to change the printing license. PostScript isn't worth a damn if big brother is looking over your shoulder at its every use so he can hit you up for more money. For something so central to NeXTStep this represents unreasonable control. Excuse me, just had to get it out of my system, -Matt Matthew Dillon dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way dillon@overload.berkeley.ca.us Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000 [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]
From: zeno@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Sean Lamont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help! I'm a new NeXTstation 8/200 NS2.2 owner. (Q) what I've received Message-ID: <1udu13INNlkq@news.u.washington.edu> Date: 31 May 93 21:40:51 GMT Article-I.D.: news.1udu13INNlkq References: <1993May27.175754.5982@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> <1993May29.223652.2785@gamelan> <68061@mimsy.umd.edu> Organization: University of Washington, Seattle In article <68061@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: >skwong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai Kee (Graduate Assistant)) wrote: > > 1) Is the NeXT DataBase Kit bundled with NS3.0/3.1 ? > >thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) replied: > > YES. But you need a DB-Server (Sybase/Oracle) and that costs real money ! > Having used RoseBase, I would strongly recomend it, as it is ansi-sql compliant (I'm pretty sure), and comes with an SQL query tool and dbkit adaptor for $395. It's supposed to ship in about 4 weeks. -- Sean T. Lamont | Ask me about the WSI-Fonts zeno@genetics.washington.edu | Professional collection for NeXT lamont@abstractsoft.com |____________________________________ Abstract Software
From: mstankus@osiris.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a dvi preview which is faster? Message-ID: <50325@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 31 May 93 21:26:29 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Lab for Mathematics and Statistics @ UCSD Hi, I have TeXview, but it seems to carry around alot of baggage and makes my harddrive whirl alot (I have a non-turbo 8/210) when I start it when running mathematica. So, is there a bare bones dvi previewer out there. Something like dvipage for the sun would be fine. Oh yes, only ones which are free (or next to being free). Mark Stankus
From: ricardo@lastthor (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Message-ID: <1993May31.180807.16678@pencom.com> Date: 31 May 93 18:08:07 GMT References: <1993May30.155923.7981@imani.cam.org> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software In article Nicolas Dore writes: > ExactlyWrite is an advanced text onject, from what I read in the > announcement, and is therefore _NOT_ related to WriteNow, except for the > fact Appsoft sold the rights to the file format to Rightbrain. > But didn't ExactlyWrite license WriteNow's file format to allow users use writenow files??? -- + Ricardo J. Parada
From: hal@alfred.econ.lsa.umich.edu (Hal Varian) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is there a dvi preview which is faster? Date: 31 May 93 20:05:00 Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Message-ID: <HAL.93May31200500@alfred.econ.lsa.umich.edu> References: <50325@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> In-reply-to: mstankus@osiris.ucsd.edu's message of 31 May 93 21:26:29 GMT In article <50325@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@osiris.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: Hi, I have TeXview, but it seems to carry around alot of baggage and makes my harddrive whirl alot (I have a non-turbo 8/210) when I start it when running mathematica. So, is there a bare bones dvi previewer out there. Something like dvipage for the sun would be fine. The problem isn't with TeXview, the problem is that you only have 8 megs of memory. Mathematica has to be swapped out and TeXView has to be swapped in, so you see a lot of disk action. If you spend a little bit of money on some more RAM you will see much, much better performance in Mathematica, TeXview, and all your other apps. Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
From: k0s8160@chenext1.tamu.edu (Kenji Seto) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: strage scsi msgs at boot time Date: 1 Jun 1993 01:40:29 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <1uec2d$l91@tamsun.tamu.edu> Greetings, I just received a Fujitsu M2624F-512 500Mb harddrive and I ran the app, BuildDisk.App to install the operating system. I get some very strange messages on boot up. There are 2 disks on this system, a seagate mounted as sd1a(with scsi target number 3), and the fujitsu with mounted as sd0a(with scsi target number 0) I reboot as always [command][command][~] nmi > halt Once I get to the NeXt Rom Monitor I see the modified boot command that I run on all of are 32Mb RAM machines, but this is followed by weird messages as follows: NeXT> b Boot command: sd- nbuf=64 SCSI unexpected msg: 1 sc unexpected mes SCSI unexpected msg: 1 sc unexpected mes SCSI unexpected msg: 1 sc unexpected mes SCSI unexpected msg: 1 sc unexpected mes SCSI unexpected msg: 1 sc unexpected mes booting SCSI target 3, lun 0 blbk0 boot: sc () sdmach SCSI unexpected msg: 1 . . . .(many more such lines) . . SCSI command 0x10 config 0x57 Booting from SCSI target 3, lun0 ---------- At this point we leave the rom monitor and swith to the smaller screen, entitled 'NeXT Mach Operating System'. From this point on, it boots as expected off the fujitsu drive, and operates flawlessly. It appears that it gets some sort of strange signal from sd0a (at target 0) and then tries to boot from the secondary disk, sd1a (at target 3). Subsequently, it goes back and boots off of sd0a. It should be noted that a bootable version of NeXTStep 3.0 is on sd1a, and if it really wanted to it could sucessfully boot from that disk. Should I be worried about this problem and messages? After I go through the boot process, everything seems to work great. A couple years back Rory Bolt posted a low-level formatter for Fujitsu drives at Host: nova.cc.purdue.edu Path: /pub/next/1.0-releases/binaries/formatter_1.2.tar.z but I am reluctant to go this route, since it was meant for a different Fujitsu drive on the old NeXTStep2.0/2.1. Furthermore, I am not sure if that would even address my problem. I also read Izumi Ohzawa's file /pub/next/docs/fujitsu.recipe on sonata.cc.purdue.edu, as suggested by FAQ-disks, Subject: D6. Any help or insight would be appreciated. Thanks, -Kenji BTW- I have run this on mono-slabs and mono-turbos and I always get the same messages.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun1.013452.2832@FreemanSoft.com> Keywords: childish Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. References: <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 01:34:52 GMT In article <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > > The 3.1 license says the following: > > 6. PRINTING > > You are licensed to use the NeXT Software to output bitmaps > generated by the PostScript interpreter included with the NeXT > Software (a) to create images for display on your computer screen, > (b) to putput to Group III or Group IV facsimile devices, (c) to > output to any device containing its own PostScript language > interpreter, and (d) to output to either (i) NeXT Laster Printers or (ii) > NeXT Color Printers manufactured prior to April 1993 (i.e., black > NeXT-labeled printers). You are not otherwise licensed to print > PostScript language files created with your NeXT Software without > an additional license available from NeXT. Yup, thats what it says and its pretty obvious that that is what it means. It looks like the Adobe fees were going to be more than NeXT wanted to pay for every machine. I think it goes back to the idea of making people pay for what they actually use. (That said, I think either someone at NeXT was a too cheap or Adobe is once again asking too much for PS rights. Apple went out and created TrueType the last time the latter happened). > > WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS? NeXT, YOU GODDAMN ASSHOLES THIS IS A > PIECE OF TOTAL DOG DOOKY. WHAT ABOUT ALL THAT CRAP ABOUT "SUPPORTING > NON POSTSCRIPTPRINTERS" YOU'VE BEEN SAYING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS!?!?!?! > THIS IS AN UNREASONABLE RESTRICTION AND I'M GOING TO GIVE IT AS MUCH BAD > PRESS AS PEOPLE I KNOW IN THE INDUSTRY! Such a mouth you have on you. Where is the bar of sope when you need it. :-) I'm sure all the folks in positions of influence will be happy to enguage in a dialog with you. After all they always love talking to people with such well stated logic and concise language. > > Simply put, it quite clearly states that I cannot use, say, my HP500C on > my slab if I upgrade to 3.1, without spending time and money to obtain a > separate license from NeXT. Yes, that is true. > > I don't give a damn about Adobe's 'fuck them all' attitude, you, NeXT, > should not have allowed them to force you to change the printing > license. PostScript isn't worth a damn if big brother is looking over > your shoulder at its every use so he can hit you up for more money. For > something so central to NeXTStep this represents unreasonable control. Its all about money. The more you pay, the more product you get. > > Excuse me, just had to get it > out of my system, No excuse for the presentation format or temperature. -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. Joe@FreemanSoft.com 919.783.7033
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org(Nicolas Dore) Subject: Photo CD software Message-ID: <1993May31.224651.11357@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 22:46:51 GMT Hi I posted my need of it yesterday, and received it today. So, Thanks to Paul Verket, who sent it to me, and please don't send any more. 8^)) Thanks Ciao Nicolas Dore -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: tabs@netcom.com (Network Account) Subject: printer problems after upgrade to 3.0 ... Message-ID: <tabsC7xDtH.I4G@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Summary: printer does not work after upgrade to 3.0 Keywords: lpd,printer,upgrade,printcap Sender: tabs@netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 04:29:40 GMT We have a repeat of the problem that we had months ago, but the earlier solution does not work. We upgraded out last NS2.1 hard disk to 3.0. Everything went smoothly except that the printer does not work anymore. Everytime we try to print we get the message: The application could not connect to the printing daemon The log file /usr/adm/lpd-errs has error messages: May 31 19:04:13 tabss1 lpd: Name lpr Msg connect "/dev/lpd/printer" No such file or directory May 31 19:06:46 tabss1 lpd[114]: /usr/spool/lpd.lock: Too many levels of symbolic links We tried using printcap entries from a working 3.0 disk. We also tried copying netinfo from the alternate 3.0 boot disk. We tried manually starting lpd. The lpd daemon does not seem to start up. We probably tried all solutions recommended in the archived news articles from Nov last year to May this year. Maybe we are missing something obvious. Can someone please help. We had similar problem before, but fixing printcap entries worked at that time. Local_Printer: \ :lf=/usr/adm/lpd-errs:sf=:sb=:lp=/dev/null:mx=0: \ :if=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/prserver: \ :cf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/pscf: \ :df=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/psdf: \ :gf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/psgf: \ :nf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/psnf: \ :rf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/psrf: \ :tf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/pstf: \ :vf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/psvf: \ :sd=/usr/spool/NeXT/Local_Printer:nxformat=3.0: \ :ty=NeXT 400 dpi Level II Printer:note=:sharedAs=NetworkPrinter: \ :sharedTo=/:_writers=*: tabs (tabs@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kramer@fragile.uucp (Mike Andrews) Subject: Re: How does NS handle Intel's segmented memory? Message-ID: <C7wy78.DE@fragile.uucp> Organization: Terminal Frost References: <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> <1993May30.214746.1460@dolphin.com> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 22:52:19 GMT In <1993May30.214746.1460@dolphin.com> Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> writes: >Edward Siu Kueng Lau writes >> >> This leads me to ask, how does NS hide the oddities of Intel's segmented >> memory model from the programmer? I would venture to say that all this >> could be done by the code generation back-end of the compiler. But if >> that's the case, why do Windows programmers have to put up with near and >> far, etc.? It dosen't. >I'm not sure what approach NeXT has taken, but there are two things for >certain: The segmenting is not a requirement of the '486 (at least, not as >bad as Windows makes it seem). The '486 does have the ability to address >something like 4 gigabytes of RAM directly by going into "protected" mode (I >hope that's the right term). Just about ANY 32-bit operating system uses protected mode, which means a FLAT 4 gig address space, with NO segmenting. Mach, OS/2, 386BSD, Linux, and (I'd assume) Windoze NT (ugh) use protected mode. OS/2 kicks in and out of real mode for its DOS/Windoze emulations... 8 & 16 bit OS'es (MS-DOS) have to use the ancient segmented addressing scheme so they'll run on 286's and XT's and the like... -- Mike Andrews root%fragile.termfrost.org@ms.uky.edu [NeXTmail OK] kramer@wittenberg.edu (school) "This guy's pretty bizarre, Gus." kramer@mik.uky.edu (hometown) -- Primus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,su.market,ba.market,su.org.ccrma.bboard From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Color NeXTStation for sale (also in Europe) Message-ID: <1993Jun1.070105.339@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 07:01:05 GMT (note the price adjustments) I have a color NeXTStation in perfectly good condition for sale: 25MHz 68040 (15 MIPS), (+ DSP 56001, etc) 32MB RAM, 406MB internal HD, 2.88MB internal floppy drive, 17" color monitor NeXTStep 3.0 (about 300MB of system software, libraries, etc.), Mathematica 2.0, documentation. etc. $4300 or best reasonable offer (make an offer--I may be flexible!). Some of the components still have warranty time due to merging of equipment. PS: This machine could be made available in EUROPE as well-- ca. 7500 DM or BEST OFFER. I'm leaving about the middle of June to Germany. Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: hschulz@rzdspc15.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Heiko Schulz) Subject: SoftPC bundled in 3.2??? Message-ID: <hschulz.738920235@rzdspc15> Sender: news@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Mr. News) Organization: University of Hamburg, Germany Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 07:37:15 GMT Someone said, SoftPC will be bundled in NEXTSTEP 3.2, is this true? As I understand you have to pay approx $500 for it now. Please enlighten me. Heiko Schulz Universitaet Hamburg Germany EMail: hschulz@informatik.uni-hamburg.de
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How does NS handle Intel's segmented memory? Message-ID: <89.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 93 15:28:00 PDT References: <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: edlau@exit.Princeton.EDU.ogi.edu > Message-ID: <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> > Date: 27 May 93 16:00:06 GMT > > The professor who taught OS here this year decided to revamp the course > by having all the assignments be done in MS Windows. This gave me > first-hand experience to the joys of Windows programming on the PC: near > and far pointers, global vs. local memory allocation, 64K segments ... > > This leads me to ask, how does NS hide the oddities of Intel's segmented > memory model from the programmer? I would venture to say that all this > could be done by the code generation back-end of the compiler. But if > that's the case, why do Windows programmers have to put up with near and > far, etc.? The 8086 references data as 16-bit offsets with 4 segments: code, data, stack, and "extra" (essentially a spare data segment). All references default to one of the segments, ie, functions in code, stack frames in stack, so many things can be referenced by 16-bit "near" pointers, but only 4 X 64K is addressable without changing segment values. Segments always start on 16-byte paragraphs, so a total of FFFF0 memory is ultimately addressable. Programs commonly save "far" addresses (16-bit segment and 16-bit offset) for data and reference it by loading the segment into the extra segment. No address protection is done in hardware. The 80286 redefined the segment as an index into a page lookup table which provides physical address mapping and protection flags. 3 bits of the segment are reserved, so there is now a total addressable space of 64K X 8192 (2^13) or about 500Mb. Still only 256K at any one time though. The 80386/486/Pentium made hardware address protection separate from segmentation, so pages within a segment can have different protection. In addition, the offset registers are all extended to 32 bits, so any segment can reference up to 4Gb. You can still have 4 X 4Gb addressable at any time, but in practice most operating systems just equate all 4 segments. (Otherwise the near/far issue arises, and 16:32 far addresses are in fact possible.) Windows got locked into the near/far game in its original releases before the advent of the 80386. Since then the API has not changed so that legacy code will still run. NEXTSTEP can provide a flat 32-bit space by just giving each process a separate segment to operate in. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vic@wescom.kharkov.ua (Viktor A. Teslikov) Subject: NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit Organization: Wescom, Inc. Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 14:05:31 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun1.140531.4605@wescom.kharkov.ua> > NeXT OFFERS SPECIAL NEXTSTEP PROMOTION FOR USERS TO EVALUATE > PRODUCT IN BUSINESS SITUATIONS > > SAN FRANCISCO, CA - May 25, 1993: To encourage companies to > experience the benefits of building client/server applications > using NEXTSTEP's object-oriented technology first hand, NeXT > Computer, Inc. announces a special Evaluation Kit. From May 25 > through July 31, a NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit, containing both the > User and Developer versions of NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel > processors will be available for $299. > > > The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit includes: > > - NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel Processors which includes the > full NEXTSTEP User product and documentation; > - NEXTSTEP Developer CD ROM which includes NEXTSTEP's visual > application construction tools and reusable object kits, as > well as a 50% off coupon to purchase full technical > documentation; > - The NEXTSTEP Advantage Kit which includes a booklet, a video > cassette and a diskette with sample software to introduce > users to the benefits of application development with > NEXTSTEP; > - NEXTSTEP Programming, a book by Garfinkel & Mahoney, which > provides users a thorough explanation of NEXTSTEP > application development using a tutorial approach. > > > For business situations and enterprise use: > > > The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit contains complete NEXTSTEP products. > With the Kit, customers can experience the full benefits of > NEXTSTEP for developing real client/server applications. > > > Pricing and Availability > > The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit is available immediately worldwide. In > the U.S., it costs $299 and can be ordered by calling > 1-800-TRY-NEXT, by contacting one of NeXT's PC original equipment > manufacturers (OEMs) or by contacting a local NEXTSTEP reseller. > > The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit offer does not include free upgrades to > Release 3.2. The Kit is limited, one copy per customer. This article came to me from somewhere on the net. So I wonder is it true and is NS Ev. Kit available for all kind of companies ? Resellers ! Where are you !!!! --vic
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: Press Releases Message-ID: <C7y0tr.GG7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <C7nDCH.43H@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 12:46:38 GMT In article <C7nDCH.43H@nextsrv1.andi.org> dgursky@andi.org (David M. Gursky) writes: > Are the various press releases from NeXT available on the Net from > an FTP'able source? If submitted, they go to docs/NeXT. I'm going to reorganize the docs directory soon (as soon as I get the rest of those old submissions polished off) to make it easier to find product announcements, etc. Allen B (Taking a breather)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <C7y0pp.G9o@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993May29.183331.15565@proponent.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 12:44:12 GMT In article <1993May29.183331.15565@proponent.com> Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> writes: > It is unreasonable to assume that everyone will want to install the larger > development system required to build fat binaries. Maybe. I'd rather expect it of developers than of the public in general. I don't assume the downloader even has any development tools installed. That puts the burden on one person (the uploader) instead of thousands (the downloaders). Besides, >I'm< going to install it, so I can clean up after submitters if necessary. As I said, we'll see how it goes. We're out on the frontier again. New policies might be necessary. > > submissions until I could test them personally. I >am< approving > > 3.1 binaries now, with faith that the bad guys won't take advantage > > of us. If you're paranoid, recompile programs from 3.0/src yourself. > > Most 3.1 binaries run on 3.0. I know that- I'm talking about making sure that sources and binaries match, which I usually do. Yes, I recompile and binary compare every source+binary distribution. Why? Because we like you! :-) Allen B (Keeping the world of free software safe and friendly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Jun1.013452.2832@FreemanSoft.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 13:08:11 GMT In article <1993Jun1.013452.2832@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) writes: > In article <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com > (Matthew Dillon) writes: > > The 3.1 license says the following: > > WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS? > Such a mouth you have on you. Where is the bar of sope when you need it. > :-) I've got to agree with Matt on this one. Rendering to a bitmap for the screen, fax modem, or even to the dumb NeXTprinter isn't conceptually different from rendering to a bitmap for your dumb third-party printer. What it >does< do is encourage people to flock to non-standard hack solutions to the problem, which will basically remove PostScript from the baseline functionality of NeXTstep- a tragic, and I fear fatal, mistake. Integrated PostScript is a major selling point for NeXTstep. Now the fact that my primary printer is a LaserWriter IINTX will keep me off NeXT's back for a while, but when I want to print something in color to my inkjet, get the hell out of my way! Does NeXT really want everyone to install GhostScript? Better yet, does Adobe want them to? If NeXT saw all their customers going to GS, they might just do it themselves, cutting Adobe all the way out. > Its all about money. The more you pay, the more product you get. But you >don't< get any more product. The NeXT PostScript system is perfectly capable of generating bitmaps at nearly any resolution without providing any "more". It's a matter of interface and code reuse- isn't that what the NeXTphilosophy is all about? YES! If the machine were just belching PostScript (as it will be to my laser printer), that would make sense, but it isn't. NeXT wanted to raise the lowest common denominator. This isn't the way to do it. > No excuse for the presentation format or temperature. Cut him some slack. NeXT has basically told him where to stick his HP printer. I wouldn't be happy about that. In fact, I'm not directly in his situation, and I'm already irate. Allen B (Of course I'm infamous for being a PostScript weenie)
From: Anwar.Mohammed@cs.cmu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Is 3.1 worth it? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 09:38:13 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Eg2pj5u00ggFI182ZT@cs.cmu.edu> What does 3.1 fix over 3.0 on black hardware? thanks, anwar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: dave@guinness.huma.yorku.ca (David Aspinall) Subject: Re: SoftPC bundled in 3.2??? Message-ID: <C7y2LC.Fs7@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University, Humanities Department References: <hschulz.738920235@rzdspc15> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 13:24:48 GMT hschulz@rzdspc15.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Heiko Schulz) writes: : Someone said, SoftPC will be bundled in NEXTSTEP 3.2, : is this true? As I understand you have to pay : approx $500 for it now. : Please enlighten me. : : : Heiko Schulz : Universitaet Hamburg : Germany : EMail: hschulz@informatik.uni-hamburg.de : Yes, it will be on the 3.2 CD-Rom, but the license will only work for 60 days. Really, it's just an extended demo. Personally, I would prefer 2 additional CD-Roms to be shipped with 3.2. - a new 3rd Party Demonstration CD - a new Educational CD-Sampler Which reminds me. About the 3.1 CD's, I thought there was supposed to be demo software on the CD? If so where is it! David -- David Aspinall ---------- Former-Former-NeXT Campus Consultant E-mail : cs911409@ariel.yorku.ca | I'd rather be NeXTMail: dave@ccs.yorku.ca | rich than stupid V-mail : (416) 663-4997 | -- Jack Handey
From: Derek.Beatty@cs.cmu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 11:41:31 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <sg2rWfe00jcc4hLEss@cs.cmu.edu> References: <1993Jun1.013452.2832@FreemanSoft.com> <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> In-Reply-To: <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Let's see: in order to get something that I want (a license to 3.1's performance improvements), I must pay again for something I already have (a license to print to non-PS printers). Don't anti-trust lawyers have a special name for such things? Isn't this just like Microsoft forcing PC makers to bundle DOS with their boxes? It made sense for NeXT to include a license to print on dumb print engines in the past, when they were selling dumb printers themselves. Now that they're no longer in the printer business, it makes less sense for them to do so. In fact, it makes no sense for them to pay Adobe the printer licensing fee for every copy of NeXTSTEP that they sell. But it makes sense for them to pass a fee on to Adobe for each non-PS laser printer hanging off the parellel port of a NS/FIP system. So the change in licensing agreement is prudent and reasonable--a sound business decision from NeXT, for a change! Maybe they'll survive after all. On the other hand, NeXT has presumably already paid Adobe the necessary licensing fees for what they've already sold. It makes no sense for them to prohibit existing licensees from actions which previously were allowed, and for which they presumably have already collected licensing fees. It's as if they're saying that we ``old customers'' must pay twice: once when we first purchased from NeXT, and again when they decide to extort more money. They could have grandfathered us. It wouldn't have cost them more than a couple hundred dollars of billable time for their lawyers to have phoned Adobe's lawyers: ``We want to treat our existing customers well. We'll fax you the proposed wording.'' I for one certainly resent this. I'm a student on a fairly tight budget. I wrote and debugged my DeskJet driver before I purchased a NeXT, and I would not have bought one had I not been able to print in this way. Furthermore, I have purchased Adobe fonts specifically so that I could print them. I couldn't care less about seeing them on the screen. I'm meticulous about following licensing agreements. I won't print with 3.1 without purchasing the additional license. Depending on what they're extorting, that may mean that I won't be printing from my NeXT, or that I won't be running 3.1. It does seem to take a special kind of weasel to hide an announcement of a new ``product,'' i.e., the new, extra-cost printer license, in the middle of the fine print. It's a hidden extra cost of 3.1. One wonders whether the intent was to revoke the license ``secretly'' and then extort additional licensing fees under threat of legal action. I hope not, but, as flakey as NeXT has become, I wouldn't put anything past them. (Since my name is among those on the DeskJet driver, I assume that if they come after anyone, they'll come after me. Maybe they'll decide that their future is in lawsuits against grad students. NeXT always knew how to tap the most lucrative markets.) The one possiblity that I should entertain is that NeXT paid the necessary licensing fee to Adobe only when they sold a printer, not when they sold a workstation, and those of us using other printers were essentially an oversight. It's hard to believe that because the previous licensing agreements were fairly specific with regard to printers, mentioning specific resolutions and retail prices. Does anyone know what NeXT plans to charge owners of Black Hardware for an ``additional license'' to print? -- Derek Derek_Beatty@cmu.edu ABD Comp Sci, CMU, 5000 Forbes, Pgh, PA 15213 USA (412) 268-7898 fax: (412) 621-5473 home: (412) 521-3482 [<12am please]
From: rep@sunnyboy.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Ralph Eppert) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: weird PB problem Date: 1 Jun 1993 18:27:14 +0200 Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG Message-ID: <rep.738951280@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de> As the subject line tells you, I have a little (?) problem with ProjectBuilder under NS 3.0 (on a ND cube). If I want to open a previously saved project everything I get is a message like <dir>: Does not contain a valid project ... Am I making something wrong or is there a bug in PB (not very likely, but who knows) ? If you can give any hint you may send me message .... Thanks in advance. Regards, Ralph Eppert rep@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de PS. NO MeXTMail please, since I have no mail-adress on our NeXTcube. Thanks. Sorry if this question is too simple for you, but Im a beginner in NeXTSTEP-programming and this error is simply annoying... CU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: ganek@apollo.hp.com (Daniel E. Ganek) Subject: tip and IBM AIX Sender: usenet@apollo.hp.com (Usenet News) Message-ID: <C7yGEJ.88w@apollo.hp.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 18:23:06 GMT References: <1993Jun1.155142.6932@cs.uno.edu> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA I'm having a problem using "tip" when connected to an IBM rs/6000 running AIX. I.e. the IBM machine doesn't like/see the carriage return. If I connect to a Sun, everything is OK. If I us "cu", the IBM machine is happy. Is this a parity problem??? The man pages say nothing about parity or char mapping. (as if man pages, ever say anything useful :-( While I have your attention I have another problem. I just got a fax/data modem and have been trying to hook it up. I also have had an HP LJ IIIP hooked up on port A for almost a year. It's has run flawlessly (once I got the the right cable). In the process of playing with the modem, tip and cu, I was switching the modem and printer between port A and B. Accidently sending modem commands to the printer and vica-versa, of course. After I got everything working (with no help from the man pages, as you can tell I'm NO unix afficiando), the printer started to act up. It was like I lost flow control, i.e. just like having the wrong printer cable. I figured one of three things happened. 1) with all the switching, I damaged the printer cable. 2) some configuration table for the printer got screwed up, I'm using the HPLJ driver. 3) I accidently sent some sort of modem string to the printer which reconfigured the printer. 2 and 3 seem unlikely. I'll check the cable tonight. And, yes, I rebooted. My basic question is "Could I have done something wrong or is it just the cable?" Thanks for the help. NeXTStep is almost as good as VUE :-) /dan ganek ganek@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 18:38:41 GMT Message-ID: <C7yH4I.IMI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> Sender: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Although NeXT probably had to put something like that in the license for 3.1 to satisfy Adobe lawyers, I think it's 100% ignorable for end-users. It's not like someone (regardless of how much experience they have with RIPs, printers and Postscript) is going to be able to look at a printout and say "This is from NS v3.1 without a printer license!" and actually take the time and money to bring someone else to court. Although I could see where NeXT-oriented sites might have to spend more money to get the functionality that every other computer on the planet probably enjoys (hooking up printer A to computer B), for the single end-user, I don't think there is anything to worry about (besides additional stupid clauses like this printer clause in future NeXT products). Lastly, I do think it's worth bringing these clauses up in discussion because it lets people know just what kind of manure they're stepping into if they're thinking about using NS 3.1 machines without this additional printer license in a publicly viewable operation.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun1.173521.2362@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 17:35:21 GMT In article <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: > In article <1993Jun1.013452.2832@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe > Freeman) writes: > > In article <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com > > (Matthew Dillon) writes: > > > The 3.1 license says the following: > > > WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS? > > Such a mouth you have on you. Where is the bar of sope when you need it. > > :-) > > I've got to agree with Matt on this one. Rendering to a bitmap for > the screen, fax modem, or even to the dumb NeXTprinter isn't > conceptually different from rendering to a bitmap for your dumb > third-party printer. If you look at your original PS license, there were restrictions, too. In 2.x, you were not allowed to render on non-PS devices greater than 900 dpi. In 3.0, non-PS printers were restricted to those with a suggested retail price of less than $__, where '__' was not specified. (Look at the licensing booklet, it's pretty humorous in retrospect.) Display PostScript is not exactly the same thing as printed PostScript, but by its nature it needs an embedded rasterizer. Why do you think you're entitled to use the internal rasterizing for any purpose you choose? It seems to me that the fax exception was made only because there are no fax modems with on-board PS capability. However, there are plenty of printers available. Why do you guys always want everything for free? GhostScript? You get what you pay for, that's my motto. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "If you've got eyes to rhythmatize Composer-in-Residence | Bring your flat hat and your ax Anderson Financial Systems | 'Cause tonight at 10 we'll be workin' again" greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | -- Donald Fagen, "Teahouse on the Tracks"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: trance@world.std.com (Michael S Meacham) Subject: Anyone have compiled CNews? Message-ID: <C7yHxv.Ms2@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 18:56:18 GMT Hello NeXT gurus! I'm trying to get a newsfeed running via a UUCP connection, and the copy of BNews I have seems to be broken. Does anyopne out there in cyberland have a compiled copy of CNews that will run under NS 2.1? MAny thanks in advance, Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) Subject: Re: 3.0 -> 3.1 upgrade for Black Hardware Message-ID: <1993Jun1.191257.13106@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993May28.190957.5583@znext.cts.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 19:12:57 GMT In article <1993May28.190957.5583@znext.cts.com> zeke@znext.cts.com (james dehnert) writes: [munch] > Shipping for 3.1 is slated for sometime next month ( late next month > most likley ) > > +=/|\=+ James "Zeke" Dehnert zeke@znext.cts.com +=/|\=+ Anyone want to conjecture on the advantages of upgrading black hardware to 3.1? The $100 pricetag is inconsequential to us, but the hassle of doing the upgrade for a possible "no net gain" is of consequence to us. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Colello Carnegie Institution, Department of Plant Biology Stanford University gcolello@biosphere.stanford.edu (NeXT mail OK)
From: srosie@umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLXXXX ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: 1 Jun 1993 19:43:22 GMT Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Message-ID: <1ugbgq$7re@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> <C7yH4I.IMI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Originator: srosie@dante.ccs.itd.umich.edu As an interested (though unaffected) party in this discussion, I wonder if Scott Byer (spelling ?), our NeXT-friendly Adobe insider, or a NeXT employee could shed some light on the end effect of this license -- i.e. how much $$ are they talking about. With the problems educational users seemed to be having getting NS/FIP, I bet it would almost be worthwhile to tie up NeXT's phone lines with questions about this licensing :) In fact, I think I might just do this. I'll post if I find anything out. -rosie (steve rosenblum) srosie@umich.edu
From: zeno@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Sean Lamont) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: 1 Jun 1993 20:07:50 GMT Organization: Abstract Software Message-ID: <1ugcumINN9l8@news.u.washington.edu> References: <1993Jun1.013452.2832@FreemanSoft.com> <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> so, the obvious question becomes... Can you actually BUY an additional high-resolution device postscript license? If not, I fear the people who make "dots" may be in for some tough sales. -- Sean T. Lamont | Ask me about the WSI-Fonts zeno@genetics.washington.edu | Professional collection for NeXT lamont@abstractsoft.com |____________________________________ Abstract Software
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: Re: How does NS handle Intel's segmented memory? Message-ID: <1993Jun01.161400.14859@microsoft.com> Date: 01 Jun 93 16:14:00 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corporation In article <1993May28.125528.2372@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, wkwong@lyapunov.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes... | In article <1993May27.160006.19955@Princeton.EDU> | edlau@phoenix.princeton.edu writes: | ... ... ... | >This leads me to ask, how does NS hide the oddities of Intel's segmented | >memory model from the programmer? I would venture to say that all this | >could be done by the code generation back-end of the compiler. But if | >that's the case, why do Windows programmers have to put up with near and | >far, etc.? | > | >--Ed Lau | | | This is mainly because Windows is running on top of the limiting DOS. | NeXTSTEP is running on top of Mach/BSD.......... | | Andy Expanding on Andy's explanation, I'd like to add that the Intel chips have multiple addressing modes. With the advent of the 386 (and higher, of course) flat-model addressing is one such mode. The segmented addressing scheme that you see under DOS is a "holdover" from when DOS only ran on 8088 machines. Of course, DOS must still run on such machines, thus the segmentation. Andy is correct in saying that Mach/BSD is only going to be running on 486 and higher CPUs, so it can take advantage of the chips ability to run in flat mode. On the same token, Windows NT runs in flat mode as well. There are other addressing schemes used by the 286, 386, 486, and Pentium. An Intel programmer's reference will provide you with additional information. -Jeff jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <C7yLzJ.G8s@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Jun1.173521.2362@afs.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 20:23:42 GMT In article <1993Jun1.173521.2362@afs.com> greg@afs.com writes: [ ] > >If you look at your original PS license, there were restrictions, too. In >2.x, you were not allowed to render on non-PS devices greater than 900 >dpi. In 3.0, non-PS printers were restricted to those with a suggested >retail price of less than $__, where '__' was not specified. (Look at the >licensing booklet, it's pretty humorous in retrospect.) Display PostScript >is not exactly the same thing as printed PostScript, but by its nature it >needs an embedded rasterizer. Why do you think you're entitled to use the >internal rasterizing for any purpose you choose? It seems to me that the >fax exception was made only because there are no fax modems with on-board >PS capability. However, there are plenty of printers available. There were indeed restrictions in the original Postscript license. But, many people purchased products such as Dots to print to a variety of printers. This is back in the good old 3.0 days. Now we have 3.1 which hopefully gets rid of most of the 3.0 bugs and you expect people to throw away their printers? Where is the idea of a common imaging model? Postscript on a screen, page, etc....is essentially the same. The limitations imposed probably by Adobe in 3.1 just remind me why Adobe has been in my bad books for years. One day, someone will get rid of them. It's no surprise that Apple and Windows have both been moving towards True Type, that Adobe had to compromise when this happened, etc...The 3.1 issue is truly unbelievable. This is the sign of a company that simply can't get enough sushi. Hopefully people will see through them and move to Postscript clones, other imaging models, etc... The NEC Postscript printer can double as a plain paper Postscript fax. > >Why do you guys always want everything for free? GhostScript? You get what >you pay for, that's my motto. There is an issue of not changing the rules every second. It's one thing to say here's the price. It's another to say. Here's the price and then a year later to tell people they have to change their printers in order to continue use the product ( or stay with the buggy 3.0). Do you want everyone back at the pre-1.0 days? It's pure sleaze. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: NS/I: Where does one buy it? Message-ID: <1993Jun1.202748.16119@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 20:27:48 GMT OK, now that I've talked a number of people into seriously considering buying NeXTSTEP/Intel, the question arises: where do they go to buy it? Are Dell and the others already set up to sell boxes with NS on them? What if someone wants to see the thing running before they commit to buying--where do I point them? On a side note, I went to several computer stores recently, on a variety of other errands, and in each asked about NS. Most had never heard of it; those that had, most didn't know what it was (eg assumed it ran under windows :-(, and all thought it wasn't shipping yet. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLXXXX ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun1.204040.5669@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1ugbgq$7re@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 20:40:40 GMT Steven S. Rosenblum writes > As an interested (though unaffected) party in this discussion, I > wonder if Scott Byer (spelling ?), our NeXT-friendly Adobe insider, > or a NeXT employee could shed some light on the end effect of > this license -- i.e. how much $$ are they talking about. Well, I was going to stay out of this until it cooled down, but... Now remember, this is only me as an observer - nothing more! With the black hardware that extra rasterizing capability was tied to the NeXT printers - that is, dumb printers with a special connector that allowed them and only them to be at the tail end of rasterization. Now, nobody figured you'd *want* to pump bits through a serial port, and if you were that patient, it really wasn't worth worrying about. So any printing royalty that needed to be tacked on could be had from the printer price. NeXT is now (hopefully) trying to do volume. Every last penny counts. But now you can't prevent any random printer from being hooked up via a high speed interface. But NeXT wouldn't want to have the printer royalty tacked onto every OS release. So, the license restriction. What does this mean to the user? My suspicion is that NeXT or a third party will offer a sanctioned product that comes with a license that allows printing to these dumb printers, and the printer license royalty will be buried in that. The only thing this license restriction really does is prevent a PD/shareware driver from being distributed. If you buy a program for dumb-printer printing that includes the extension to the license, you're all set, and if you program your own driver - well, that's your secret. I think that with the imminent release of NS/FIP, this fell through the cracks over at NeXT. Hopefully, someone over there can clear this up ASAP. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLXXXX ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun01.211608.1932@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 93 21:16:08 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1993Jun1.204040.5669@adobe.com> I would guess that there is a very specific case around which this new attitude is set. I don't think that Adobe cares one bit if you wish to write a rip and print to an HP DJ, what they are worried about is you RIPing to a HP LJIV or other high end non-ps printer. Some exec at Adobe is thinking that NeXTSTEP might actually take off and wouldn't it be nice if they sold both a DPS and PS license to everybody? It would have been nice if they had set a DPI limit of something like 400 that way the LJIV would be off limits but pour students could use a DJ. -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun1.175658.390@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. References: <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 17:56:58 GMT In article <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes: > In article <1993Jun1.013452.2832@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe > Freeman) writes: > > In article <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com > > (Matthew Dillon) writes: > > > The 3.1 license says the following: > > > WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS? > > Such a mouth you have on you. Where is the bar of sope when you need > > it. :-) > > I've got to agree with Matt on this one. Rendering to a bitmap for > the screen, fax modem, or even to the dumb NeXTprinter isn't > conceptually different from rendering to a bitmap for your dumb > third-party printer. The RIP it self is conceptually the same. The NeXT printer has always been a special case, because of its dependence on the machine for all control operations. Financially , to adobe, they are different. Each person that RIPs to a non postscript printer is lost revenue for Adobe. They aren't getting any extra money from NeXT and they aren't getting the money from the printer manufacturer. (Though, in this case I think they are being stupid and giving the True type folks even more amunition) > What it >does< do is encourage people to flock to non-standard hack > solutions to the problem, which will basically remove PostScript > from the baseline functionality of NeXTstep- a tragic, and I fear > fatal, mistake. Integrated PostScript is a major selling point for > NeXTstep. I heartily disagree with this point. This license agreement will make the average NeXT user a criminal. I know that if I had a printer that could be ripped to by the "real" postscript engine, and, the only thing that stopped me was one paragraph of the license agreement, I'd do it anyway. How many people are going to contact Adobe for a license upgrade? Not too many I'd wager. And, how many people are going to want to go through the hassle of ghostscript when they already have the "real thing". Not too many. Its yet another example of a corporate policy running head first into the wall of reality. > Now the fact that my primary printer is a LaserWriter IINTX will > keep me off NeXT's back for a while, but when I want to print > something in color to my inkjet, get the hell out of my way! Exactly what I said. > > Its all about money. The more you pay, the more product you get. > > But you >don't< get any more product. The NeXT PostScript system > is perfectly capable of generating bitmaps at nearly any resolution > without providing any "more". It's a matter of interface and code > reuse- isn't that what the NeXTphilosophy is all about? YES! Once again its about money. They want licens fee recovery. > > No excuse for the presentation format or temperature. > > Cut him some slack. NeXT has basically told him where to stick his > HP printer. I wouldn't be happy about that. In fact, I'm not > directly in his situation, and I'm already irate. No, I will not. That kind of presentation very rarely gets listened too. Many times any one in a position of power will think something to the effect. "Look its an edu person who has no idea what makes a company really run.". (Stoke up them flames) -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. Joe@FreemanSoft.com 919.783.7033
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 21:31:15 GMT Message-ID: <C7yp44.1KK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Jun1.173521.2362@afs.com> <C7yLzJ.G8s@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Originator: jbn35564@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Philip McDunnough writes: >Hopefully people will see through >them and move to Postscript clones, other imaging models, etc... ...other computers or other operating systems where the OS people realize that not everyone is rich enough (or willing to) drop their non-PS printers and either purchase new ones and/or additional licenses. I think this (as avoidable as it is for some people) will end up being another one of those big problems that non-NS people will use to put NS down. I don't know for certain if it'll hurt sales but at this point, apparently NeXT is poor. With money so tight at NeXT, the way I figure it, they aren't in any position to take chances. >It's pure sleaze. I can't agree more. There are plenty of OS vendors that actually care about the customer when it comes to something as necessary as printing. Ultimately, I think this will be looked back on as yet another way NeXT has found to piss off existing and potential customers causing them to lose support.
From: omihal@musecorp.musecorp.COM (Ondro Mihal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SoftPC bundled in 3.2??? Date: 1 Jun 1993 18:41:03 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9306012152.AA03180@musecorp.musecorp.com> In comp.sys.next.misc article <C7y2LC.Fs7@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> you wrote: > hschulz@rzdspc15.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Heiko Schulz) writes: > : Someone said, SoftPC will be bundled in NEXTSTEP 3.2, > : is this true? As I understand you have to pay > : approx $500 for it now. > : Please enlighten me. > : > : > : Heiko Schulz > : Universitaet Hamburg > : Germany > : EMail: hschulz@informatik.uni-hamburg.de > : > > Yes, it will be on the 3.2 CD-Rom, but the license will only work > for 60 days. Really, it's just an extended demo. > > Personally, I would prefer 2 additional CD-Roms to be shipped > with 3.2. > - a new 3rd Party Demonstration CD > - a new Educational CD-Sampler > > Which reminds me. About the 3.1 CD's, I thought there was > supposed to be demo software on the CD? If so where is it! > > David > -- > David Aspinall ---------- Former-Former-NeXT Campus Consultant > E-mail : cs911409@ariel.yorku.ca | I'd rather be > NeXTMail: dave@ccs.yorku.ca | rich than stupid > V-mail : (416) 663-4997 | -- Jack Handey I agree with David on the choice of what should ship with 3.2 version of NEXTSTEP in the Fall. The price I have been told for the SoftPC after the 60 day DEMO is $299.00. ALSO, the 3rd party CD is located in the back cover of the THIRD-PARTY PRODUCTS catalog that is found inside you 3.1 box. Ondro Mihal omihal@musecorp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit Message-ID: <1993Jun02.003504.5997@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 93 00:35:04 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1993Jun1.140531.4605@wescom.kharkov.ua> In article <1993Jun1.140531.4605@wescom.kharkov.ua> vic@wescom.kharkov.ua (Viktor A. Teslikov) writes: > > > NeXT OFFERS SPECIAL NEXTSTEP PROMOTION FOR USERS TO EVALUATE > > PRODUCT IN BUSINESS SITUATIONS > > > > SAN FRANCISCO, CA - May 25, 1993: To encourage companies to > > experience the benefits of building client/server applications > > using NEXTSTEP's object-oriented technology first hand, NeXT > > Computer, Inc. announces a special Evaluation Kit. From May 25 > > through July 31, a NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit, containing both the > > User and Developer versions of NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel > > processors will be available for $299. > > > > > > The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit includes: > > > > - NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 for Intel Processors which includes the > > full NEXTSTEP User product and documentation; > > - NEXTSTEP Developer CD ROM which includes NEXTSTEP's visual > > application construction tools and reusable object kits, as > > well as a 50% off coupon to purchase full technical > > documentation; > > - The NEXTSTEP Advantage Kit which includes a booklet, a video > > cassette and a diskette with sample software to introduce > > users to the benefits of application development with > > NEXTSTEP; > > - NEXTSTEP Programming, a book by Garfinkel & Mahoney, which > > provides users a thorough explanation of NEXTSTEP > > application development using a tutorial approach. > > > > > > For business situations and enterprise use: > > > > > > The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit contains complete NEXTSTEP products. > > With the Kit, customers can experience the full benefits of > > NEXTSTEP for developing real client/server applications. > > > > > > Pricing and Availability > > > > The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit is available immediately worldwide. In > > the U.S., it costs $299 and can be ordered by calling > > 1-800-TRY-NEXT, by contacting one of NeXT's PC original equipment > > manufacturers (OEMs) or by contacting a local NEXTSTEP reseller. > > > > The NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit offer does not include free upgrades to > > Release 3.2. The Kit is limited, one copy per customer. > > This article came to me from somewhere on the net. > So I wonder is it true and is NS Ev. Kit available for all kind of > companies ? > > Resellers ! Where are you !!!! It is true but reember it is 1 copy per customer. That means that a company can not use $299 Ev. Kits to get the os on their 20 network machines. Also I can seem to determine if this kit is not upgradeable at all or just no free upgrade to 3.2 -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: NS/I: Where does one buy it? Message-ID: <1993Jun02.003720.6065@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 93 00:37:20 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1993Jun1.202748.16119@leland.Stanford.EDU> In article <1993Jun1.202748.16119@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > OK, now that I've talked a number of people into seriously > considering buying NeXTSTEP/Intel, the question arises: where do they > go to buy it? Are Dell and the others already set up to sell boxes > with NS on them? What if someone wants to see the thing running > before they commit to buying--where do I point them? > > On a side note, I went to several computer stores recently, on a > variety of other errands, and in each asked about NS. Most had never > heard of it; those that had, most didn't know what it was (eg assumed > it ran under windows :-(, and all thought it wasn't shipping yet. If you want it pre-loaded you can go to one of the announced dealers (Dell, DG, Digital, NEC, ...). If you want to buy you own system and load it yourself then any dealer who can order from ingram-micro can order (this includes almost any computer/software dealer). -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: athos@pendragon.com (Rick Eames) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: SoftPC bundled in 3.2??? Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 17:02:26 Organization: Pendragon Enterprises Message-ID: <rme05am1.32f12f@pendragon.pendragon.com> In article <C7y2LC.Fs7@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> (comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software), dave@guinness.huma.yorku.ca (David Aspinall) writes: # Which reminds me. About the 3.1 CD's, I thought there was #supposed to be demo software on the CD? If so where is it! Look in the Third Party book. In the back cover is the CD, big fella. Rick
Rick Eames CompuServe: 76666,2114 athos@pendragon.com AOL: EamesR Be The Ball.
#################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Message-ID: <1993Jun1.204153.4659@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> From: kickstart@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Date: 1 Jun 93 20:41:53 -0600 Organization: Mankato State University I got this ad from Sun today saying the following.... "What's NeXT? How can you increase the VALUE of your current workstation? Get Rid of it." It then told me I could trade in my old workstation in for a new Sparcstation 10. I was wondering if anyone else got this in the mail. I am not sure what mailing list I am on, but it's totally incorrect since I don't even own a Next (well, I soon will) and it listed me as being in the Psychology Department (I'm not even a teacher, and Psych is nowhere close to my major). But I suppose if this is the only way Sun can sell their machines, then I suppose NeXT is really starting to scare some competitors out there. --------------------------------------/\---------------------------------------- kickstart@vax1.mankato.msus.edu /\/\ NeXT: The object is the advantage. "Christopher P. Josephes" |\/\/| Mankato State University \\// "Living on the Edge..." - Aerosmith --------------------------------------\/----------------------------------------
From: tomh@halcyon.com (Thomas P. Hicks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SLIP/Marble Teleconnect Date: 1 Jun 1993 19:18:09 -0700 Organization: "A World of Information at your Fingertips" Sender: news@nwfocus.wa.com Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uh2l1$ejm@nwfocus.wa.com> Anyone in the Seattle area know how to get SLIP up and running using Marble Teleconnect. Thanks Tom tomh@halcyon.com ..
From: mstankus@osiris.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Is there a dvi preview which is faster? SOLVED Message-ID: <50403@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 2 Jun 93 03:26:42 GMT References: <50325@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <HAL.93May31200500@alfred.econ.lsa.umich.edu> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Lab for Mathematics and Statistics @ UCSD Thanks fro the responses. I need to get more memory. Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NWE upgrade announcements? Message-ID: <1993Jun1.211628.4608@arizona.edu> From: d_mc@mccube.tucson.az.us (Don McCollam) Date: 1 Jun 93 21:16:28 MST Distribution: na,local Somehow, I expected some NWE announcements of NS/M software upgrades - i.e. PARABASE, DBCommander, OCR Servant, PowerScan, etc. Nothing in c.s.n.announce. Nothing from the field. Were there any? Has the sun set on NS/M already? Don McCollam citdem@happy.rc.Arizona.EDU d_mc@mccube.tucson.az.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dlw@netcom.com (David L. Williams) Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Message-ID: <dlwC7z8on.8Mv@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Jun1.204153.4659@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 04:33:59 GMT kickstart@vax1.mankato.msus.edu wrote: : I got this ad from Sun today saying the following.... : "What's NeXT? : How can you increase the VALUE of your current workstation? : Get Rid of it." I got the same mailer. Did Sun just buy the subscriber list to NeXTWORLD mag and target us? Or sift thru the usenet postings and hammer at us that way? These guys must be kidding if they think I have money to pony up for a SS10. Even if I did I'd buy an HP 7xx and put NeXTSTEP on it. But before I'd do that I'd buy a Pentium box and run it there. Strike one Sun, try again--license NeXTSTEP and put it on SPARCS so I'll at last have a decent OS and environment on my work desktop other than buglaris. Deskset, what crap...this is the 90s after all. Till then the home desktop is owned by my Mac and my NeXTs. David Williams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 05:38:46 GMT Message-ID: <C7zBoo.7x0@cbnewse.cb.att.com> References: <1993Jun1.140531.4605@wescom.kharkov.ua> <1993Jun02.003504.5997@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> In article <1993Jun02.003504.5997@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) writes: > > It is true but reember it is 1 copy per customer. That means that a company > can not use $299 Ev. Kits to get the os on their 20 network machines. > > Also I can seem to determine if this kit is not upgradeable at all or just no > free upgrade to 3.2 > > Does this means that a company like AT&T can only buy ONE and only ONE of these evaluation kits?? That would be ridiculous! How could I know if somebody else on this company already bought it? How does this policy applies to big companies like AT&T? > -Mont > > NeXTmail OK :-) > President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) > mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu Richard Dib AT&T BL dib@ihlpe.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: shill@ccsi.com (Sean L. Hill) Subject: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> Sender: shill@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 04:56:59 GMT Take a good look at these headers. Both of them were recognized as NEXTMAIL. This is very interesting. When do we get MIME capable NEXTMAIL? Hopefully soon! -Sean From shill Wed Jun 2 00:51:35 1993 Next-Reference: TEST.attach, 1/1 Return-Path: <shill> Received: from sapphire by ccsi.com (NX5.67c/CCSI3.5M) id AA04151; Wed, 2 Jun 93 00:51:32 -0400 From: shill (Sean L. Hill) Message-Id: <9306020451.AA04151@ccsi.com> Received: by sapphire (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA00622; Tue, 1 Jun 93 23:51:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 23:51:30 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.94) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.94) To: sean Subject: TEST Reply-To: Sean_Hill@crystal From NeXTAnswers@NeXT.COM Tue Jun 1 21:38:01 1993 Next-Reference: sub2852ject.attach, 1/1 Return-Path: <NeXTAnswers@NeXT.COM> Received: by ccsi.com (NX5.67c/CCSI3.5M) id AA03817; Tue, 1 Jun 93 21:37:59 -0400 Received: from next.com by uu2.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA24881 for Sean_Hill; Tue, 1 Jun 93 20:56:12 -0400 Received: from shadowplay by oz.NeXT.COM (NX5.67d/NeXT0.1-Aleph-bf) id AA13069; Tue, 1 Jun 93 17:56:09 -0700 From: NeXTAnswers@NeXT.COM (NeXTanswers) Message-Id: <9306020056.AA13069@oz.NeXT.COM> Received: by shadowplay.next.com (NX5.67d/NX3.0X) id AA02860; Tue, 1 Jun 93 17:56:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 17:56:05 -0700 Makemail: vNA1.5d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/x-nextmail; charset=US-ASCII To: Sean_Hill@ccsi.com Subject: NeXTanswers reply, document 1119 Reply-To: nextanswers@NeXT.COM Errors-To: nextanswers-request@NeXT.COM -- Sean L. Hill Ergo Science Incorporated shill@ccsi.com Compuserve: 73667,3355
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <C7zC1t.vD@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown References: <C7KLrs.Ezs@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 05:46:41 GMT Philip McDunnough) writes: Markus Wenzel) writes: > >I'd also like to see separate directories on ftp servers > >holding fat or intel-only binaries. > I am very opposed to this idea. A NeXT is a NeXT is a NeXT. Not when you try to run an Intel-only binary on black hardware. I no longer have direct Internet access, and it's rather painful to download binaries. I'd be ripshit if I spent the time and effort to download some nice big binary file only to find that it was the wrong format. Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Re: New group needed? Comp.sys.next.intel Message-ID: <C7zC97.w4@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown References: <1tujrk$3co@moonshot.west.oic.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 05:51:07 GMT In article <1tujrk$3co@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > Perhaps a better thing to have would be a strip program to remove the > 'other' platforms from a binary. After all, disk space is a much greater > end-user problem than network bandwidth / upload / download times. Don't forget that a lot of us don't have direct TCP/IP contact to the ftp servers, and have to download via uucp. I've got disk space to burn on both my Sun at work and my NeXT at home - it's the narrow pipeline between those machines and the net that is the greater problem. Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: NEXTIME: Ideas for potential Apps Wanted ? Message-ID: <C7zpuH.K6J@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 10:44:40 GMT I also got back from NWE yesterday and I have to add few things about NEXTIME: 0. There is no question that the NEXTIME demo was one of the most exciting events in the NWE ! (Well, the laser show demonstrate object messaging came close :-) ). All you multimedia related people rejoice ! 1. One of the NeXT people very close to the "technology" indicated that the compression rate they achieved with the "toy" trials (as they characterized it, hinting to much more serious performances in the future) was between "0.3 to 1 bit per pixel" depending on the frame ! I would never expect this tremendous performance and quality from software compression ! 2. Dr. R. Crandall is indeed behind this again and although I did not had a chance to talk with him the compression scheme involves some steps the most important of which according to the interactions with the engineers that wrote the code and the presentation given are: a. Apply the Wavelet transform on the source more than once, b. Throw away some wavelets according to unspecified criteria, c. Threshold the remaining image which is mostly black by now to throw away this black part. 3. The engineers pointed to the marketing people when I pushed on the "how can we go from the technology to a real product ASAP ?" question. Well, I talked with the marketing people and the response was: We the users and developers have to think and generate ideas of potential applications and packagings such that this technology could take form from high to low end applications. We need to come up with ideas and find a way to push them through to NeXT marketing (I can help on this). Individual organizations that have specific needs relating to NEXTTIME (like NRL) should also relay these needs to NeXT ASAP and try to see if they can afford fund this effort at NeXT. My obious response was "market it like QuickTime" but they actually wanted to hear more what people want to use it for. If you have ideas please e-mail them to me or post them and I'll summarize and forward to NeXT. Let's help NeXT to define a market so they can get convinced to spend man-hours and $$ for making NEXTIME a real product ASAP. --john m. NRL-NUG leader ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: srosie@umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLXXXX ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: 2 Jun 1993 13:01:40 GMT Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Message-ID: <1ui8bk$pfc@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <1ugbgq$7re@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <1993Jun1.204040.5669@adobe.com> Summary: NeXT's answer Originator: srosie@dante.ccs.itd.umich.edu Well, I called NeXT's upgrade number and, after considerable phone-tag, got a response as to what _exactly_ the licence means. 1. If you are running black hardware, you can use ANY printer you want -- i.e. there is some type of grandfather/ grandmother clause in the license with Adobe which NeXT seems to have ommitted from the end-user agreement. 2. If you are running on Intel hardware, and want to use a "dumb" printer, there is a licensing fee of $75 per printer, whether it's a single NeXTSTEP machine or a network printer server. The number I called to get this info was 1-800-677-NeXT. It seems several people called them about this yesterday.... If anyone wants the name of the person I talked to, please e-mail -- he was very helpful, and I don't think it would be proper netiquette to open him up to a hoard of calls today. -rosie srosie@umich.edu P.S. On a side note, it was almost refreshing waiting on hold to talk to a NeXT representative -- it seems they have a _LOT_ of calls to deal with these days :) :) :).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmilette@mudhead.uottawa.ca (Denis Milette) Subject: boss says get info on NeXtStep Message-ID: <1993Jun2.132018.25315@csi.uottawa.ca> Sender: news@csi.uottawa.ca Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa Date: Wed, 2 Jun 93 13:20:18 GMT short note. we've got the go-ahead for 2 NextStep copies. Network stuff and development. could someone tell us what hardware configuration is optimal. How much RAM, a CD-Rom is indicated, size of HD? it's a bit like X-mas :-) please e-mail or post to share the info. -- Denis Milette "we're all happy campers over here" Service des communications telephoniques / Voice Communications Service Universite d'Ottawa / Ottawa University dmilette@mudhead.uottawa.ca dmilette@panda1.uottawa.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Benoit Grange <Benoit_Grange@gateway.qm.apple.com> Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Sender: news@gallant.apple.com Message-ID: <1993Jun2.124618.24365@gallant.apple.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 12:46:18 GMT References: <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> <1ugbgq$7re@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Organization: Apple Computer Inc. In article <C7yH4I.IMI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> J.B. Nicholson-Owens, jeffo@uiuc.edu writes: > Although NeXT probably had to put something like that in the license > for 3.1 to satisfy Adobe lawyers, I think it's 100% ignorable for > end-users. It's not like someone (regardless of how much experience > they have with RIPs, printers and Postscript) is going to be able to > look at a printout and say "This is from NS v3.1 without a printer > license!" and actually take the time and money to bring someone else > to court. I still have a 2.1 valid license and on my second disk a minimal 2.1 system. With this system I can print to a deskjet. It also works with my 3.0 system, of course, but does anyone cares that I printed it from my 3.0 system ? Will anyone care that I will print to the deskjet with my 3.1 system ? NextCubes owners, keep a minimal 2.1 (or 3.0) on a magnetoptical disk if you want to be lawyers compliant. Or keep it somewhere online, just in case someone asks you. Anyway, this license restriction looks like downgrading your system. Printing from your NeXT system was useful, but if you are no more allowed to do it, most of us won't buy a new postscript printer for its marginal use. ---- Benoit Grange Paris - France
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: NS/I: Where does one buy it? Message-ID: <C8006I.7tA@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <1993Jun1.202748.16119@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 14:27:53 GMT In article <1993Jun1.202748.16119@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > OK, now that I've talked a number of people into seriously > considering buying NeXTSTEP/Intel, the question arises: where do they > go to buy it? Is NeXTConnection carrying the evaluation kit? I know they're supposed to be selling NS/I (boy that sure rolls of the tongue alot smoother than NS/FIP; en-es-eye vs. en-es-fip). NeXTConnection's phone number is 800-800-NeXT. -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <C802Fq.MCx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1993Jun1.173521.2362@afs.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 15:16:37 GMT In article <1993Jun1.173521.2362@afs.com> greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) writes: > > I've got to agree with Matt on this one. Rendering to a bitmap for > > the screen, fax modem, or even to the dumb NeXTprinter isn't > > conceptually different from rendering to a bitmap for your dumb > > third-party printer. > > If you look at your original PS license, there were restrictions, too. Yeah, I know, I have to read all that stuff. It is pretty humorous that they left blanks in it. I thought about filling them in myself. :-) > Display PostScript > is not exactly the same thing as printed PostScript, but by its nature it > needs an embedded rasterizer. Why do you think you're entitled to use the > internal rasterizing for any purpose you choose? It seems to me that the > fax exception was made only because there are no fax modems with on-board > PS capability. However, there are plenty of printers available. That's where it falls down for me- I can turn any fax machine into a PS printer, but not any printer? Any fax machine >in the world<, but not any printer in my house. That's idiotic. What if I agree never to send a fax and use a printer instead? Is that a fair trade? What if the printer is the same resolution (or even less) than a fax machine? What if it's the same res as my screen? Where's the difference? Am I not allowed to photograph my screen either? That >is< making a print from my NeXT's rasterizer's output- and on a rather high resolution media! "Book him, Dano!" I think I can do anything with it because it can. Crippling software for this sort of thing completely stinks. The PostScript rasterizer on this NeXT (nova, the one I'm typing this on) has never rasterized PostScript for anything but screen display as far as I know. It's never actually produced color output either. It might never, but it certainly can, and it >should< if I require it to- simply because it has capable software. If it didn't, I wouldn't expect it to, but that's not even in question here, is it? At home I run Post on my Amiga, which will rasterize to the screen, an image file, or to the generic Amiga printer device (which is then mapped to any attached printer via a driver). I use it when I want to print in color because I only have a mono PS printer, but also have a non-PS lo-res inkjet. I'd like to do this with the native NeXT PostScript as well, but I guess not- even though the printer is lower res than a fax machine or even nova's display! > Why do you guys always want everything for free? GhostScript? You get what > you pay for, that's my motto. I don't want anything for free but permission to use software I already have. I'm not asking them to improve or change anything, just to let me use the marvelous stuff they've already provided. I >want< what I paid for! Allen B (Still the devil's advocate)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: NEXTIME: Ideas for potential Apps Wanted ? Message-ID: <1993Jun2.142016.531@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <C7zpuH.K6J@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 14:20:16 GMT In article <C7zpuH.K6J@ra.nrl.navy.mil> yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) writes: If you want ideas for NEXTIME apps, just look through a Macintosh magazine. They've got CD-ROMS of clips from old movies, a CD-ROM of HELP! by the Beatles, and let's not forget the "adult" Quicktime movies. Oh boy. Perhaps, (if we're lucky) Adobe will decide to port Premiere. As far as the financial market is concerned, there isn't that much I can think of, other than teleconferencing or sending animated 3D graphs of investment performance via nextmail. -- Jonathan Hendry Anderson Financial Systems jon@afs.com (Nextmail Welcome!) or tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu I see an Epson and I want to paint it black...
From: dirkb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Dirk Balfanz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT in Germany Message-ID: <1993Jun2.171618@aifh.ed.ac.uk> Date: 2 Jun 93 16:16:18 GMT Sender: news@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Network News Administrator) Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland Is there a NeXT office somewhere in Germany? If so, could a kind soul please point it out to me? Along the same lines, are there some third party software developers (for NEXTSTEP) in Germany, preferably Berlin? Thanks in advance. Dirk.
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <92.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 93 08:06:53 PDT References: <1993Jun1.175658.390@FreemanSoft.com> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > Message-ID: <1993Jun1.175658.390@FreemanSoft.com> > From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 17:56:58 GMT > > In article <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen > B) writes: > > I've got to agree with Matt on this one. Rendering to a bitmap for > > the screen, fax modem, or even to the dumb NeXTprinter isn't > > conceptually different from rendering to a bitmap for your dumb > > third-party printer. > > The RIP it self is conceptually the same. The NeXT printer has always > been a special case, because of its dependence on the machine for all > control operations. > > Financially , to adobe, they are different. Each person that RIPs to a > non postscript printer is lost revenue for Adobe. They aren't getting any > extra money from NeXT and they aren't getting the money from the printer > manufacturer. (Though, in this case I think they are being stupid and > giving the True type folks even more amunition) I agree. Unlike the Mac/Windows/Truetype world, Adobe is getting money from every CPU in a NEXTSTEP system. HP printers dominate the PC world. If it comes down to checking off features in a bid, I am afraid NEXTSTEP may get thrown out rather than the printers. Result: $0 for Adobe. Seems odd in light of the NeXT/HP alliance. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: whalenm@tsg.com (Matthew Whalen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: mouse focus Date: 2 Jun 1993 17:38:15 GMT Organization: Telos Systems Group, Chantilly, VA Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1uioi7$ldb@obelix.tsg.com> If I remember correctly, there is a way to change the focus policy from click focus to follow focus through some display postscript code or patch or something like that. Does anyone remember how this is done? I find myself typing in the wrong window numerous times a day since I switch between X (with follow focus) and NeXTStep a lot. Thanks -matthew ____ whalenm@tsg.com \ / equal rights, not special rights (NeXTMail OK) \/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Thus conscience does make cowards of us all, and thus the native hue of resolution is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, and enterprises of great pith and moment with this regard their currents turn awry,and lose the name of action." ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P(%P*"4EF($D@<F5M M96UB97(@8V]R<F5C=&QY+"!T:&5R92!I<R!A('=A>2!T;R!C:&%N9V4@=&AE M(&9O8W5S('!O;&EC>2!F<F]M(&-L:6-K(&9O8W5S('1O(&9O;&QO=R!F;V-U M<R!T:')O=6=H('-O;64@9&ES<&QA>2!P;W-T<V-R:7!T(&-O9&4@;W(@<&%T M8V@@;W(@<V]M971H:6YG(&QI:V4@=&AA="X@($1O97,@86YY;VYE(')E;65M M8F5R(&AO=R!T:&ES(&ES(&1O;F4_("!)(&9I;F0@;7ES96QF('1Y<&EN9R!I M;B!T:&4@=W)O;F<@=VEN9&]W(&YU;65R;W5S('1I;65S(&$@9&%Y('-I;F-E M($D@<W=I=&-H(&)E='=E96X@6"`H=VET:"!F;VQL;W<@9F]C=7,I(&%N9"!. M95A44W1E<"!A(&QO="X@(%1H86YK<UP*7`I<"BUM871T:&5W("`@("`@("`@ M(`I<8B`@7U]?7PI<8C`@("`@("`@7`IW:&%L96YM0'1S9RYC;VT@("`@"EQB M(%Q<("`O"EQB,"`@("`@"EQB(&5Q=6%L"EQB,"`@<FEG:'1S+"!N;W0@<W!E M8VEA;"!R:6=H=',@("`@("!<"BA.95A436%I;"!/2RD@("`@("`@"EQB(%Q< M+PI<8C`@("`@("`@7`HM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM M+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM7`HB5&AU<R!C;VYS M8VEE;F-E(&1O97,@;6%K92!C;W=A<F1S(&]F('5S(&%L;"P@86YD('1H=7,@ M=&AE(&YA=&EV92!H=64@;V8@<F5S;VQU=&EO;B!I<R!S:6-K;&EE9"!O)V5R M('=I=&@@=&AE('!A;&4@8V%S="!O9B!T:&]U9VAT+"!A;F0@96YT97)P<FES M97,@;V8@9W)E870@<&ET:"!A;F0@;6]M96YT('=I=&@@=&AI<R!R96=A<F0@ M=&AE:7(@8W5R<F5N=',@='5R;B!A=W)Y+&%N9"!L;W-E('1H92!N86UE(&]F M(&%C=&EO;BXB7`HM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM C+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM7`H*?0HM `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP Evaluation Kit Message-ID: <1993Jun02.173312.20129@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 93 17:33:12 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <C7zBoo.7x0@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Distribution: usa In article <C7zBoo.7x0@cbnewse.cb.att.com> cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib) writes: > In article <1993Jun02.003504.5997@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>, mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) writes: > > > > It is true but reember it is 1 copy per customer. That means that a company > > can not use $299 Ev. Kits to get the os on their 20 network machines. > > > > Also I can seem to determine if this kit is not upgradeable at all or just no > > free upgrade to 3.2 > > > > > > Does this means that a company like AT&T can only buy ONE and only ONE of these > evaluation kits?? That would be ridiculous! How could I know if somebody > else on this company already bought it? How does this policy applies to > big companies like AT&T? I really couldn't say. I would guess that it has to do with how you register the software. If you just list AT&T as the owner then you might have problems (guessing) but if you put AT&T Dept. xxx then I would guess that you would be ok. -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Multiboard cube Message-ID: <C7zyFw.19p@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 13:50:20 GMT How does one modify an '030 board so it can be used in a cube with an '040? Also how does one set up the software and get the thing to boot from the '040 ? Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dennis.glatting@mccaw.com Subject: test Message-ID: <1993Jun2.150220.1440@mccaw.com> Keywords: test Sender: news@mccaw.com Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 15:02:20 GMT test -- Dennis P. Glatting / Technical Director / Paradigm Systems Corp. of WA
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: mouse focus Date: 2 Jun 1993 20:03:45 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uj131$7k2@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1uioi7$ldb@obelix.tsg.com> Keywords: explicit focus, X In article <1uioi7$ldb@obelix.tsg.com> whalenm@tsg.com (Matthew Whalen) writes: If I remember correctly, there is a way to change the focus policy from click focus to follow focus through some display postscript code or patch or something like that. Does anyone remember how this is done? I find myself typing in the wrong window numerous times a day since I switch between X (with follow focus) and NeXTStep a lot. You can also do it the other way around, at least in mwm, the Motif window manager. In other words, set "explicit focus" in X and it will behave like NeXTSTEP's "click-to-focus." Then you won't get confused :-). -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M--- -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P(%P*7`I);B!A<G1I M8VQE(#PQ=6EO:3<D;&1B0&]B96QI>"YT<V<N8V]M/B!W:&%L96YM0'1S9RYC M;VT@*$UA='1H97<@5VAA;&5N*2!W<FET97,Z7`H*7'!A<F1<='@P7'1X,3$R M,%QT>#(R-#!<='@S,S8P7'1X-#0X,%QT>#4V,#!<='@V-S(P7'1X-S@T,%QT M>#@Y-C!<='@Q,#`X,%QT>#$Q,C`P7'1X,3(S,C!<='@Q,S0T,%QT>#$T-38P M7'1X,34V.#!<='@Q-C@P,%QT>#$W.3(P7'1X,3DP-#!<='@R,#$V,%QT>#(Q M,C@P7&9C,%QC9C`@7`H*7'!A<F1<='@Q,30P7'1X,C,P,%QT>#,T-#!<='@T M-C`P7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8Y,#!<='@X,#8P7'1X.3(P,%QT>#$P,S8P7'1X,3$U M,C!<9F,P7&-F,"!<"@E)9B!)(')E;65M8F5R(&-O<G)E8W1L>2P@=&AE<F4@ M:7,@82!W87D@=&\@8VAA;F=E('1H92!F;V-U<R!P;VQI8WD@"69R;VT@8VQI M8VL@9F]C=7,@=&\@9F]L;&]W(&9O8W5S('1H<F]U9V@@<V]M92!D:7-P;&%Y M('!O<W1S8W)I<'0@8V]D92`);W(@<&%T8V@@;W(@<V]M971H:6YG(&QI:V4@ M=&AA="X@($1O97,@86YY;VYE(')E;65M8F5R(&AO=R!T:&ES(&ES(`ED;VYE M/R`@22!F:6YD(&UY<V5L9B!T>7!I;F<@:6X@=&AE('=R;VYG('=I;F1O=R!N M=6UE<F]U<R!T:6UE<R!A(&1A>2`)<VEN8V4@22!S=VET8V@@8F5T=V5E;B!8 M("AW:71H(&9O;&QO=R!F;V-U<RD@86YD($YE6%13=&5P(&$@;&]T+B`@"EQP M87)D7'1X,3$U,EQT>#(S,#1<='@S-#4V7'1X-#8P.%QT>#4W-C!<='@V.3$R M7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DR,39<='@Q,#,V.%QT>#$Q-3(P7&9C,%QC9C`@7`I<"EP* M66]U(&-A;B!A;'-O(&1O(&ET('1H92!O=&AE<B!W87D@87)O=6YD+"!A="!L M96%S="!I;B!M=VTL('1H92!-;W1I9B!W:6YD;W<@;6%N86=E<BX@($EN(&]T M:&5R('=O<F1S+"!S970@(F5X<&QI8VET(&9O8W5S(B!I;B!8(&%N9"!I="!W M:6QL(&)E:&%V92!L:6ME($YE6%135$50)W,@(F-L:6-K+71O+69O8W5S+B(@ M(%1H96X@>6]U('=O;B=T(&=E="!C;VYF=7-E9"`Z+2DN7`I<"BTM7`I786QT M97(@0RX@1&%U9VAE<FET>0D)"4EN=&5R;F5T+"!.95A4;6%I;#H@9&%U9VAE M<D!C<RYT86UU+F5D=5P*5&5X87,@02`F($T@56YI=F5R<VET>0D)"75U8W`Z M('5U;F5T(6-S+G1A;74N961U(61A=6=H97)<"D-O;&QE9V4@4W1A=&EO;BP@ M5%@@-S<X-#,M,S$Q,@D)0DE43D54.B!$055'2$520%1!359%3E537`H)+2TM M3F]T(&%N(&]F9FEC:6%L(&1O8W5M96YT(&]F(%1E>&%S($$F32TM+5P*"GT* `
From: dadler@u.washington.edu (David A. Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Film recorders? Date: 2 Jun 1993 20:04:31 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1uj14fINNsh@news.u.washington.edu> I am looking for a device that will make 35mm slides from NeXT apps like Virtuoso, Illustrator, PasteUp, etc. email responses are fine - I can summarize for the group later. thanks, David -- David A. Adler Pathology SM-30 University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 543-0716 (phone) (206) 543-3644 (fax) "Science is nothing but trained and organized common sense" T.H.Huxley
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1224@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 2 Jun 93 20:29:18 GMT References: <C7yLzJ.G8s@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Philip McDunnough writes > In article <1993Jun1.173521.2362@afs.com> greg@afs.com writes: > 3.1 just remind me why Adobe has been in my bad books for years. One day, > someone will get rid of them. > ...The 3.1 issue is truly unbelievable. This is the sign of a > company that simply can't get enough sushi. > > It's pure sleaze. I think you're all sort of missing the point. NeXT hardware is dead. Any new licensing agreements apply to NEXTSTEP for Intel (although I admit there's gray area in terms of 3.1 for black hardware, but my guess it that it's intended to be grandfathered). For NEXTSTEP/Intel, you're talking about a retail price of $795, with an undiscounted street price of $500 or so. You get an entire operating system, a UNIX license, and a lot of stuff for that price. If you also got a PostScript printer license, what would be the point of ever buying a PostScript printer? You could just buy NEXTSTEP to run on your 486 and a dumb printer, put the whole thing on the network, and you have a printer. That's why you can't get a printer license for the small cost of NEXTSTEP Intel. You can buy a brand new PostScript Level II printer for less than $1000. Quit whining, buy one, and hook it up to your NEXTSTEP/Intel box, and be glad that ALL YOUR APPLICATIONS can print to it because of the unified imaging model. The same can not be said for any other platform, including the Mac. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: whalenm@tsg.com (Matthew Whalen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Date: 2 Jun 1993 20:58:18 GMT Organization: Telos Systems Group, Chantilly, VA Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1uj49a$gt@obelix.tsg.com> References: <dlwC7z8on.8Mv@netcom.com> In article <dlwC7z8on.8Mv@netcom.com> dlw@netcom.com (David L. Williams) writes: > Did Sun just buy the subscriber list to NeXTWORLD mag > and target us? Or sift thru the usenet postings and hammer at us that way? > > These guys must be kidding if they think I have money to pony up for a SS10. > Even if I did I'd buy an HP 7xx and put NeXTSTEP on it. But before I'd do > that I'd buy a Pentium box and run it there. > > Strike one Sun, try again--license NeXTSTEP and put it on SPARCS so I'll at > last have a decent OS and environment on my work desktop other than buglaris. > Deskset, what crap...this is the 90s after all. > > Till then the home desktop is owned by my Mac and my NeXTs. > > David Williams I don't think sun was particlarly aiming this at home users. Given the choice at home, I'd run NeXTStep too (because the advantages don't justify the cost). At work, though, I'd trade in my NeXT's for a Sparc 10. The Sparc 10 runs more software that I need at work than the NeXT on my desk will. So I'm not so Sun is the evil you make the sound like. -- -matthew ____ whalenm@tsg.com \ / equal rights, not special rights (NeXTMail OK) \/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Thus conscience does make cowards of us all, and thus the native hue of resolution is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, and enterprises of great pith and moment with this regard their currents turn awry,and lose the name of action." ----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Gregory W. Gee <gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Subject: What is PresentationBuilder? Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 21:05:40 GMT Message-ID: <9306022105.AA15591@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> To: comp.sys.next.misc@newshost.uwo.ca Sender: daemon@julian.uwo.ca (Julian System Daemon Account) I was wondering if someone could tell me where I have heard of or seen an app called PresentationBuilder. I have a program that says it can't find it and I know I've seen it somewhere. Is it a commercial product or has it been on an archive site? Please respond by mail if possible. Thanks. **************************************************************************** Greg Gee gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Honours Computer Science, ggee@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario NeXT Mail accepted >>> Developing in the NeXT generation <<< ****************************************************************************
From: srosie@umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: 2 Jun 1993 21:13:02 GMT Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor Message-ID: <1uj54u$5a7@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <C7yLzJ.G8s@utstat.toronto.edu> <1224@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Originator: srosie@dante.ccs.itd.umich.edu [CHOMP] >NeXT hardware is dead. Any new licensing agreements apply to NEXTSTEP >for Intel (although I admit there's gray area in terms of 3.1 for black >hardware, but my guess it that it's intended to be grandfathered). It's not grey at all -- I talked to someone at NeXT yesterday and they said that black hardware IS grandfathered. [CHOMP again] >You can buy a brand new PostScript Level II printer for less than $1000. Or, you could just bite the bullet and pay the _$75_ dollar licensing fee. (Maybe NeXT should just charge $870 for NS, and avoid all this confusion...ooh, I feel some heat coming my way ;) ). > >-- > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com > RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) > Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 rosie srosie@umich.edu
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEXTIME: Ideas for potential Apps Wanted ? Date: 2 Jun 1993 21:32:17 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uj691$655@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <C7zpuH.K6J@ra.nrl.navy.mil> In article <C7zpuH.K6J@ra.nrl.navy.mil> yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) writes: > > Let's help NeXT to define a market so they can get convinced to spend man-hours > and $$ for making NEXTIME a real product ASAP. This coupled with a OODBMS/FS would be a nice starting point for capturing and displaying medical images. One immediate option would be storage/display of ultrasound images They are not high-res as is, and are by nature film-loop sort of objects. Having a DB-Kitted app to query and display ultrasounds is would be a reasonable application. Nexttime coupled with high-end image display stations (2K*2K) would make for the basis of a powerful radiology workstation. Something that could scale, rotate, do volumetric analysis of a frame of the image would be great. Or file the videotape of a medical procedure right in the electronic medical record. OR, the ability to use DL as a teaching tool for medicine (highlight a medical procedure, say arthroscopy of the knee, and you get a nextime movie you can start, stop, play back, capture images, etc. Our clinic across the street just (by chance) committed to several large HP servers for a SYBASE-based radiology information system. Seems like the back end is already here ;-). Or just a simple video information kiosk. Use a NS/I with a touch screen, and build a snippet library of what information you want to present. With localization this could be neat in places where English is often optional. - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT in Germany Date: 2 Jun 1993 23:36:16 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <1ujdhgINNbs6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Jun2.171618@aifh.ed.ac.uk> In article <1993Jun2.171618@aifh.ed.ac.uk> dirkb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Dirk Balfanz) writes: >Is there a NeXT office somewhere in Germany? If so, could a kind soul please >point it out to me? This number may still be in service: Germany NeXT office: 089/961.2083 If not, call in the USA at 415-366-0900 to get the proper number. > >Along the same lines, are there some third party software developers (for >NEXTSTEP) in Germany, preferably Berlin? > There are *a lot* of German NeXTSTEP software commpanies. For instance there is TMS GmbH which just produced a new publishing software package called 1-Vision. Their address is: W-8400 (D-93051) Regensburg Call:49-941-95163 email:admin@tms-gmbh.de They will also be able to tell you the other German NEXTSTEP software companies. >Thanks in advance. > >Dirk. -Eric
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Message-ID: <1993Jun2.034154.13807@imani.cam.org> Date: 2 Jun 93 03:41:54 GMT References: <1993May31.180807.16678@pencom.com> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1993May31.180807.16678@pencom.com> ricardo@lastthor (Ricardo Parada) writes: > In article Nicolas Dore writes: > > > ExactlyWrite is an advanced text onject, from what I read in the > > announcement, and is therefore _NOT_ related to WriteNow, except for the > > fact Appsoft sold the rights to the file format to Rightbrain. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > But didn't ExactlyWrite license WriteNow's file format to allow users use > writenow files??? Yes. Read the underlined above. Also, the deal includes Rightbrain giving WriteNow users ExactlyWrite upgrades. It was in the announcement. Doesn't seem like WriteNow-for-NS/I is coming anytime soon... Ciao > > -- > + Ricardo J. Parada -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun3.025605.4163@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jun2.231242.25763@venice.sedd.trw.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 02:56:05 GMT In article <1993Jun2.231242.25763@venice.sedd.trw.com> verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes: .. > : Or, you could just bite the bullet and pay the _$75_ dollar > : licensing fee. (Maybe NeXT should just charge $870 for NS, and > : avoid all this confusion...ooh, I feel some heat coming my way ;) ). Or you can follow my recipie on how to use Ghostscript to print on an HP550C. The print quality seems good enough to me. The ghostscript recipie is to be found on sonata.cc.purdue.edu somewhere. Maybe the patches directory. Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
From: rmwbb@wittenberg.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: I WANT A neXt!!!! Message-ID: <1993Jun1.160735.1@wittenberg.edu> Date: 1 Jun 93 20:07:35 GMT Organization: Wittenberg University Hello out there, for a total not ot exceed 1500 firm (that is all I have): A next 68040 with 8megs ram, 80 megs HD, and of course unix installed. Also, a monito larger than 13 inches (greyscale) and a ehternet card that will hook right to ten baset. I want ot be able to take this thing out of the box, hook it up to teh wall, and rock and roll: just like for my mac. Now, anyone? email: rmwbb@wittenberg.edu Scott D. Sauer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: clp@home.HarvardSq.COM (Charles L. Perkins) Subject: A B I G Apology to attendees of my BOF at N.W. Expo. Message-ID: <1993Jun3.051335.1962@das.harvard.edu> Sender: usenet@das.harvard.edu (Network News) Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 05:13:35 GMT (I haven't been near the Internet 'til now, but even though I'll be home in only a few days, I thought I should get this apology out ASAP...) I have to make a R E A L L Y B I G apology to any of you who attended my BOF and didn't get a chance to see me there!?! I was bidding on everything in sight at the NOIR auction and in particular, absolutely HAD to have the NeXT-cable dies from the factory, which didn't go on the "bidding block" until after 8 pm (the order was random). I offered to do a dinner BOF but couldn't get everyone together in time. Maybe we can start a mailing list for my BOF topic and for Voila? Let me know what you all think... Again, I am truly sorry! Charles
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <C8180n.FqM@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C7yLzJ.G8s@utstat.toronto.edu> <1224@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 06:14:47 GMT In article <1224@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: [ ] > >I think you're all sort of missing the point. Well, many of us keep getting updates to distributed information, after the fact. > >NeXT hardware is dead. Any new licensing agreements apply to NEXTSTEP >for Intel (although I admit there's gray area in terms of 3.1 for black >hardware, but my guess it that it's intended to be grandfathered). NeXT hardware is dead? Hmm...have you seen some really neat mailing ads in the recent past? In any case my hardware is not dead, although some would like to tell us that!, and all I was referring to was the issue of 3.1 on black NeXT's. 3.0 has problems for me. I really need 3.1, and the initial news regarding the Postscript issue was odd to say the least. > >For NEXTSTEP/Intel, you're talking about a retail price of $795, with >an undiscounted street price of $500 or so. You get an entire operating >system, a UNIX license, and a lot of stuff for that price. If you >also got a PostScript printer license, what would be the point of ever >buying a PostScript printer? You could just buy NEXTSTEP to run on your >486 and a dumb printer, put the whole thing on the network, and you have >a printer. That's why you can't get a printer license for the small cost >of NEXTSTEP Intel. I have no problem with what is being proposed for NS/Intel, although it's not what I would do. > >You can buy a brand new PostScript Level II printer for less than $1000. >Quit whining, buy one, and hook it up to your NEXTSTEP/Intel box, and be >glad that ALL YOUR APPLICATIONS can print to it because of the unified >imaging model. The same can not be said for any other platform, including >the Mac. Exactly, which is why the printer should not be an issue ( or any other output device). A key strong point for Postscript is the unified imaging model. Why have the issue clouded by imposing restrictions on the types of images? -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: 3.1 Edu price for NeXT hardware?? Message-ID: <C8188p.Fv8@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993May31.180807.16678@pencom.com> <1993Jun2.034154.13807@imani.cam.org> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 06:19:36 GMT In article <1993Jun2.034154.13807@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: [ ] >Yes. Read the underlined above. Also, the deal includes Rightbrain giving WriteNow >users ExactlyWrite upgrades. It was in the announcement. Doesn't seem like >WriteNow-for-NS/I is coming anytime soon... What is ExactlyWrite? Is this Write Now 3.0, which those of us who purchased 2.1 were supposed to receive, and which was supposed to deal with the baseline problem? It would be great if RightBrain took this over. Great company. At least they understand the issues. Will ExactlyWrite run on black NeXT's? -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: mb108@cs.city.ac.uk (omo Adelakun Toyin K) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: (Easy one:) How do you add a title to the login window? Date: 3 Jun 1993 08:54:46 +0100 Organization: Computer Science Dept, City University, London Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ukao6INNl47@fred.cs.city.ac.uk> NeXTWorlders, This may be an easy one for you: How do you add a title to the login window? (I have no hardcopy documentation, and none of the search strings I've presented to Digital Librarian has led to any relevant information. Is that excuse enough to explain away my ignorance?)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Message-ID: <C81Bp9.21u@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown References: <1993Jun1.204153.4659@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 07:34:21 GMT In article <1993Jun1.204153.4659@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> writes: > I got this ad from Sun today saying the following.... > "What's NeXT? > How can you increase the VALUE of your current workstation? > Get Rid of it." > It then told me I could trade in my old workstation in for a new > Sparcstation 10. > ... I suppose if this is the only way Sun can sell their machines, then I > suppose NeXT is really starting to scare some competitors out there. I was just reading the latest issue of SunWorld, that arrived yesterday. In the first quarter of 1993, Sun Microsystems Computer Corp (SMCC) sold 57,000 machines. This is a quantity greater than the number NeXT Computer sold in its entire hardware existence. It's greater than the number of copies of NEXTSTEP that NeXT The Computerless Computer Company has so far taken orders for, for delivery in the coming two years. SunSoft sold 116,000 copies of Solaris. This number, projected over the entire year, would put Solaris sales at roughly a half million in the year - fully half of the volume that mass-market Microsoft predicts for the first year of NT sales. This, of course, is the quarter preceding the introduction of Solaris for Intel. NeXTophiles should face up to the bitter truth: they are jealous of Sun's success where Steve has - so far - failed. No matter what the merits of NEXTSTEP vs OpenWindows or Mach vs Solaris, the market - where people vote with their wallets - is where the real decision is made as to who is better. For now - at a point in time where Microsoft is making a VERY serious bid to become the ONLY system software vendor in the world - NeXT has a lot more to gain by putting aside this childish "rivalry" with Sun. NeXT never did anything more than vainly flatter itself by making these ridiculous comparisons, anyway. It's everyone against Microsoft, people. When Hitler was loose in the world, we fought alongside the Commies. Think about that. Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <C81C94.23t@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown References: <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 07:46:15 GMT In <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) asks: > Does NeXT really want everyone to install GhostScript? Better yet, > does Adobe want them to? If NeXT saw all their customers going to > GS, they might just do it themselves, cutting Adobe all the way > out. My experience so far with GhostScript has been that the rendering of fonts is utterly wretched. The fonts that I found with the versions I've downloaded from the net are vector fonts derived from the X11 bitmapped fonts - which means that they don't really scale up or down, or even look very good at their default size either. Also, I am led to believe that GhostScript does not make use of the Adobe Font Metrics. All in all, I have found GhostScript to be utterly useless for printing any kind of document, although it does a fine job of rendering pictures. Am I missing something with regard to the font technology? As for the main topic of this thread, it seems to me that one buys a license to a PostScript interpreter when one buys NeXTSTEP. I believe that this license ought to allow one to direct the output of that interpreter wherever one damn well pleases. This restriction actually removes one of the original advantages of the NeXT WYSIWYG - the fact that the same PostScript engine drove both the screen and the printer. Despite these kind of shenanigans, the New York Times recently reported that Adobe "successfully fought off" a challenge to its market (certainly they meant TrueType) - anyone know what they might have meant by this? The article went on to gush about Acrobat. Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Using the Mach Kernel & assorted questions Message-ID: <1993Jun3.103735.4478@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1ujk1p$o45@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 10:37:35 GMT In article <1ujk1p$o45@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> dgarrett@engr.latech.edu (Don Garrett) writes: > Lastly (and most importantly): > Where can I get one of those cool NeXT logo pins? Hermann Marketing 1400 North Price Road St. Louis, MO 63132-2308 USA 1-800-972-1331 voice 1-314-432-1818 FAX That's $3.50 for the pin (#NX316) + $7 p&h + $5 penalty for orders under $50 = a _mere_ $15.50 (lucky you, you aren't in one of the states that collects sales/use tax, shipping to a foreign address, or needing next-day delivery). -=EPS=- -- October 12, 1988: Computing Advances To The NeXT Level May 25, 1993: Game Over, Man
From: marcus@ursula.ee.pdx.edu (Marcus Daniels) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: 3 Jun 1993 04:43:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1uko5o$fi6@ursula.ee.pdx.edu> References: <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <C81C94.23t@molly.uucp> >My experience so far with GhostScript has been that the rendering of fonts is >utterly wretched. The fonts that I found with the versions I've downloaded >from the net are vector fonts derived from the X11 bitmapped fonts - which >means that they don't really scale up or down, or even look very good at >their default size either. Also, I am led to believe that GhostScript does >not make use of the Adobe Font Metrics. >All in all, I have found GhostScript to be utterly useless for printing any >kind of document, although it does a fine job of rendering pictures. Am I >missing something with regard to the font technology? >As for the main topic of this thread, it seems to me that one buys a license >to a PostScript interpreter when one buys NeXTSTEP. I believe that this >license ought to allow one to direct the output of that interpreter wherever >one damn well pleases. GhostScript actually does a pretty good job, if you install real fonts. Still, rendering fonts (at least with a HPLJ) still isn't quite as nice as on the NeXT (or as nice as the 300 dpi HPLJ built-in fonts). But difference in quality is barely noticeable. For me, GS is remarkably useful. Can anyone report on font-rendering with other printing devices (especially with resolutions > 300 dpi)?
From: magnus@nexto.udac.uu.se (Magnus Ring) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT and cc:mail Date: 3 Jun 1993 12:06:56 GMT Organization: Uppsala University Message-ID: <1ukph0$opj@corax.udac.uu.se> Is there any way to use cc:mail on my NeXT? Our customers thinks I should use cc:mail and I need to know if it can be done without leaving my NeXT station. /Magnus Ring
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: 3 Jun 1993 12:34:43 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ukr53$k0e@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <C81C94.23t@molly.uucp> In article <C81C94.23t@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: >In <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) asks: >> Does NeXT really want everyone to install GhostScript? Better yet, >> does Adobe want them to? If NeXT saw all their customers going to >> GS, they might just do it themselves, cutting Adobe all the way >> out. > >My experience so far with GhostScript has been that the rendering of fonts is >utterly wretched. The fonts that I found with the versions I've downloaded >from the net are vector fonts derived from the X11 bitmapped fonts - which >means that they don't really scale up or down, or even look very good at >their default size either. Also, I am led to believe that GhostScript does >not make use of the Adobe Font Metrics. I heard from someone that GhostScript can use the real Adobe Type-1 fonts on the NeXT, if you rewrite the font table file somewhere. I don't know the legalities of doing it on NS3.1/Intel, but at least it won't use the Adobe licensed DPS interpreter. In any case, for me, this matter has been settled. Additional $75 license fee for non-PS printer driver seems quite reasonable, particularly if the black hardware has the grandfather exemption clause. If the difference in price means choosing between $250 with the new restricted printer license or $325 with the old 900dpi printer license for education, I feel that NeXT did the right thing by unbundling the extra printer license. It makes sense to lower the cost of NS licensing fees to the minimum possible. After all, not all NS machines will have a printer attached to it, so unbundling seems a good thing to do to get a lower DPS price out of Adobe. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: l06@aixfile1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Subject: New NS/FIP Hardware Guide available from NeXTanswers Message-ID: <1993Jun3.142845.9474@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 14:28:45 GMT The new hardware compatibility guide for NS/FIP is finally available from NeXTanswers@next.com. Send an email with subject '1002' and you will get a PS file. Most important changes (imho) are: - ET4000AX graphics card supports finally 1024x768 2-bit-grayscale graphics - serial mices are supported - Future support is planned for the Tseng Labs ET4000W32i and the S3-928 based graphics adapters The last point sounds VERY interesting. It could mean that there will be a cheap alternative to the ATI Mach32 accelerator cards if you want 16-bit-colour. In my opinion there's no reason that display performance with the ET4000W32i will be not as good as with the ATI. Same bus width, so it should depend only on the blitter unit on the accelerator chip. From the results I've heard there's no big difference between Mach32, ET4000W32 and S3-928. What you pay for if you buy an ATI is the WINDOWS accelerator functions and the 8514 compatibility, both of which aren't used by NeXTstep. To the first point: Would somebody be so kind to check, if the high resolution is now supported with ET4000AX ? In the first prerelease it wasn't. Gregor Hoffleit NeXT User Group Heidelberg -> 'NoUGH INF 288 W6900 Heidelberg, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tom@cse.fau.edu (Tom Horton) Subject: Academic bundle: who sells it in US? Message-ID: <1993Jun3.155623.5192@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> Sender: news@cybernet.cse.fau.edu Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 15:56:23 GMT This may have been disucssed before, but can anyone give me the names and phone numbers of a university bookstore or computing center that will take an order for the NeXTSTEP 3.1 Academic Bundle for Education (for black hardware)? The 1-800-848-NEXT phone number leads you to a message about this bundle that says "contact your campus reseller" which doesn't help very much. There's nothing on our campus that sells NeXT stuff, and nothing in Florida as far as I know. In the past I've bought from Florida State and Georgia Tech, but I understand they don't sell NeXT anymore. BTW, does the academic bundle include the free upgrade to 3.2 when it comes out? Thanks, Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Thomas B. Horton, Assistant Professor Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering, Florida Atlantic University Boca Raton, FL 33431 USA Phone: 407/367-2674 FAX: 407/367-2800 Internet: tom@cse.fau.edu Bitnet: HortonT@fauvax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: u7913086@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Tony Guo) Subject: Trade Mark of NS-486 Message-ID: <C821z1.CIr@csie.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@csie.nctu.edu.tw Organization: Computer Sci. & Information Eng., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 17:01:48 GMT Can anyone tell me what's the trade mark of NeXTSEP for Intel Processors? I ever seen "NeXTSTEP 486", "NeXTSTEP-Intel", "NeXTSTEP-INTEL" "NeXTSTEP/Intel", "NeXTSTEP/INTEL" Of course we know they are all NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors, but, which one is the official announcement
From: jamie@[128.127.2.119] (Jamie O'Keefe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT and cc:mail Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1993 13:22:09 Organization: FTP Software, North Andover, Massachusetts Message-ID: <930603132209@pericles.ftp.com> References: <1ukph0$opj@corax.udac.uu.se> NNTP-Software: PC/TCP NNTP In article <1ukph0$opj@corax.udac.uu.se> magnus@nexto.udac.uu.se (Magnus Ring) writes: Is there any way to use cc:mail on my NeXT? Our customers thinks I should use cc:mail and I need to know if it can be done without leaving my NeXT station. no, but you could use cc:mail's smtp gateway to route the smtp mail to cc:mail.
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Date: 3 Jun 1993 17:46:58 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uldei$5el@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <C81Bp9.21u@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: > SunSoft sold 116,000 copies of Solaris. This number, projected over > the entire year, would put Solaris sales at roughly a half million > in the year - fully half of the volume that mass-market Microsoft > predicts for the first year of NT sales. This, of course, is the > quarter preceding the introduction of Solaris for Intel. Yes. Which is to say, *all* of those Solaris sales are to people who own Sun hardware. Which is to say, Sun can sell software upgrades to people who have already bought into Sun. And as a person who knows many people who have Solaris 2.x, there's a number of those 116,000 customers who are not exactly thrilled with the changes. Btw, what's the current sales figures for OS/2? > For now - at a point in time where Microsoft is making a VERY serious > bid to become the ONLY system software vendor in the world - NeXT has > a lot more to gain by putting aside this childish "rivalry" with Sun. > NeXT never did anything more than vainly flatter itself by making > these ridiculous comparisons, anyway. I do agree that Steve was rather over-optimistic in trying to paint Sun as the arch-enemy, given that the fastest hardware NeXTSTEP ran on was 68040... It'd be interesting to know how sales would have been if NeXTSTEP ran on Sparc hardware, and Solaris only ran on 68040 machines. > It's everyone against Microsoft, people. When Hitler was loose in the > world, we fought alongside the Commies. Think about that. I'm no fan of Microsoft, but it's a bit much to bring in WW II analogies here. Furthermore, if it's a choice between Microsoft and Solaris, I'll pick, um, OS/2 or NeXTSTEP... :-) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: coke can at expo Date: 3 Jun 1993 17:50:01 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uldk9$5i2@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993May28.171903.24786@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> pkim@cory.Berkeley.EDU (P. Kim) writes: > wandering around expo, i noticed that a lot of the machines had a > nice tiff of a coke can. This popped up on the NeXT-icon mailing list sometime in the last few months... It should be available in one of the gun collections. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Who owns the bitmap? Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 09:53:47 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun3.095347.5086@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: >The 3.1 license says the following: > >6. PRINTING > > You are licensed to use the NeXT Software to output bitmaps > generated by the PostScript interpreter included with the NeXT > Software (a) to create images for display on your computer screen, > (b) to putput to Group III or Group IV facsimile devices, (c) to > output to any device containing its own PostScript language > interpreter, and (d) to output to either (i) NeXT Laster Printers or (ii) > NeXT Color Printers manufactured prior to April 1993 (i.e., black > NeXT-labeled printers). You are not otherwise licensed to print > PostScript language files created with your NeXT Software without > an additional license available from NeXT. I was going to write a little application that created bitmaps from postscript files (for input to an OCR app). Does this mean I'm not allowed to? Who owns the resulting bitmaps? Is it illegal to produce them, never mind print them? My Puppeteer demo gets a bitmap of another application's window. Is that illegal? What am I allowed to do with this bitmap? The Grab application can be used to turn the postscript in a window into a TIFF file. Can the resulting file be printed to a non-postscript printer? If so, what's the difference between using Grab to get a bitmap of a postscript file and writing an app to do it directly? If I'm not allowed to print this TIFF file, what about if I just copy and paste a few pixels out of it - does that "infect" the image I paste it into? :-) Conversely, if I modify one pixel of the "illegal" TIFF file, is it now OK to print it? Can this TIFF file be copied to another computer? What fun! Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pulliam@rft29.nas.nasa.gov (Thomas H Pulliam) Subject: Help !!!! Where is HSD? Message-ID: <C823sD.6ID@nas.nasa.gov> Sender: news@nas.nasa.gov (News Administrator) Organization: NAS/NASA-Ames Research Center Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 17:41:00 GMT I have a scanner from HSD Microcomputer U.S. Inc which is hosed right now. I tried calling HSD at (415)964-1400 and I get Ma Bells new nunber (408)774-1400 a nonexistant number. I tried information and didn't get anywhere. I tried HSD's 800 number which is disconnected. Did I miss something on the net? What happened to HSD? HSD are you out there?? -- ********************* * * |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| * You're * | Thomas H. Pulliam | * * | MS 202A-1 NASA Ames Research Center | * In A * | Moffett Field, Ca 94035 | * * | (415) 604-6417 | * BOX * | pulliam@rft29.nas.nasa.gov | * * |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| *********************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: Monitor Refresh Rate on ATI Ultra Pro (Intel GX Workstation) Message-ID: <1993Jun3.104802.3677@mic.ucla.edu> Keywords: bastard_kernel Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 3 Jun 93 10:48:02 PDT I understand that NeXT/Intel (beta) is running the ATI Ultra Pro at the lowest possible refresh rate at the 1024*768 resolution. If someone has done a kernel patch to increase the refresh rate, I would very much like to get my hands on it. /ivo welch
From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Newsgroups: comp.databases.informix,comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Stupid and foolish move from Informix Keywords: informix database dbkit next Message-ID: <1993Jun3.172043.16926@CAM.ORG!planon> Date: 3 Jun 93 17:20:43 GMT Sender: yanik@CAM.ORG!planon We are developer on NeXTstep OS. In the past couple of year we have developed an application for automation in the television industry. We have used Informix-SE and Informix ESQL-C for doing our development. Those product have been available for NeXTstep on NeXT hardware since a year. Informix is not the database of choice on NeXTstep for many reasons: 1- Informix have took a long time to port on NeXT. Two other RDBMS where available long before (Oracle and Sybase). 2- NeXT has launch a wonderful database tool call database kit. Filters for database kit are simple piece of software that need to be provided from database vendor. Oracle and Sybase ship theirs with NeXTstep. Informix has not made that product available at all; even though a programmer of Informix in Munich (Germany) has developed it, we have it and it works fine. Now NeXT has made a move from a Software/Hardware company to a software only company. NeXTSTEP is now available on Intel' 486 based PCs. To port an application from one NeXTSTEP platform to the other is a simple port, but, again, Informix is slow and is not interested to do that simple thing. The development of our products is complete. From now on we have order for many copies of our product. But now, because of a political matter from Informix we are stuck with a database that will not follow evolution. We will now change of database, and believe me, never again will I use or recommend any of the Informix product. With their weak marketing policy and inconsequent decision no wonder they trail behind other vendor in the market and i predict their situation will decay. Thanks. A very frustrated former Informix developer. Stephane Savard Director R&D Planon Telexpertise Inc. 1370 Joliot-Curie #708 Boucherville, Quebec Canada, J4B 7L9 Email: stephane@planon.qc.ca (NeXTmail accepted and appreciated!) -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT)
Control: cancel <9306022105.AA15591@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Gregory W. Gee) Subject: cmsg cancel <9306022105.AA15591@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 22:51:13 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun3.225113.572@julian.uwo.ca> Originator: gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca References: <9306022105.AA15591@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) <9306022105.AA15591@gaul.csd.uwo.ca> was cancelled from within trn. -- **************************************************************************** Greg Gee gee@gaul.csd.uwo.ca Honours Computer Science, ggee@hi_presure_lab.gp.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: root@infoman.com Subject: WriteNow Documents Message-ID: <1993Jun3.185705.1852@infoman.com> Keywords: WriteNow Sender: root@infoman.com (Operator) Organization: Information Management Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 18:57:05 GMT I am trying to index WriteNow documents in the Digital Librarian, but even after I install the Third Party Filter, I still get flaky results. Has anyone run into similar problems. If so, any help would be much appreciated. Here is the Filter I Installed. Filter: Port: NXUNIXSTDIO Send Type: NXTypedFilenamePboardType:wn Return Type: NXRTFPboardType Executable: /LocalApps/WriteNow.app/wn-rtf Usually, I get a conversion error in the console with ID:108 thanks in advance Willi p.s: Please respond via e-mail. I do not have regular access to news. willi@infoman.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: NWE NOIR auction [was: A B I G Apology to attendees of my BOF at N.W. Expo.] Message-ID: <1993Jun4.055906.18759@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun3.051335.1962@das.harvard.edu> <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 05:59:06 GMT [Many inappropriate newsgroups removed] In article <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes: >What sorts of things were auctioned? Does anyone remember their rough >prices? Top five money makers for NOIR: Data General half price coupon--redeemable for 1/2 off on a $15,000 "almost fully loaded" NS/FIP system (no CD-ROM drive, but software preloaded). Sold for $2800. 4 ft. x 4 ft. wall-size photo of a NeXT Optical Disk that hung in the now-defunct Fremont factory--$1700. Original dies for NeXT monitor cable--2 piece set. $1500. (4 piece set fetched $800.) White lab jacket with NeXT logo, from Fremont factory. $1000. (Black lab jackets went for $200 and $250.) Manual set--NeXTSTEP for PS/2 (IBM AIX). Rare! $800. Biggest steals: Keith Ohlfs designs an icon for your application. $350. ZZ Volume software. Valued at $3000, sold for $800. NeXTSTEP 3.0J, upgradable to 3.1. Valued at $2495, 3 copies; sold for $400, $300, $450. NetWatch by Ridgeback Solutions, 10-user license. $1995 value, sold for $600. 4 ft. x 4 ft. wall-size photo of a NeXTstation--$200. Super bargains: NeXT "Higher Education" T-Shirt--$15. (2 others went for $20 and $35) Pair of Chrysler Credit pens--$10. NeXT "10 reasons" poster--$10. Adamation T-shirts (3)-$10 each. Adamation coffee mug--$6 (but valued at $5!). Also, tons of software for around half retail, and a handful near 75% off retail. And, of course, lots of rare and valuable NeXT memorabilia. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: Trade Mark of NS-486 Message-ID: <1993Jun04.061339.26002@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 93 06:13:39 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <C821z1.CIr@csie.nctu.edu.tw> In article <C821z1.CIr@csie.nctu.edu.tw> u7913086@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Tony Guo) writes: > Can anyone tell me what's the trade mark of NeXTSEP for Intel Processors? > > I ever seen "NeXTSTEP 486", "NeXTSTEP-Intel", "NeXTSTEP-INTEL" > "NeXTSTEP/Intel", "NeXTSTEP/INTEL" > > Of course we know they are all NeXTSTEP for Intel Processors, but, which > one is the official announcement I think it is NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors (with those caps). -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 2 headed NEXT Date: 4 Jun 1993 07:04:15 GMT Organization: University of Oregon, Eugene, Oregon Message-ID: <1ums5f$nvh@pith.uoregon.edu> a question... If the nextStep Machines support 2 video cards would it provide you with 2 identical displays, or would it (Please, please, please) give you a Macintosh type multi-monitor interface with an expanded desktop. I am seriously looking into a nextstep equiped machine for graphic applications and the ability to have 2 monitors would be a serious advantage. I would like to know also how the next step machines compare to Macs. take the following machines: 66mhz dx/2 w/ VL-bus video card. machine running nextstep. verses a Quadra 800. I know that the two machines are different from the ground up but I need some basis for my decision. I have used Macintosh machines for YEARS and am excercising my options for my next purchase. I need all the help I can get. Steve mCgrew sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Re: Help !!!! Where is HSD? Message-ID: <thompsonC8360I.6sB@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <C823sD.6ID@nas.nasa.gov> <1ulmriINNmqg@west.West.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 07:26:40 GMT >>What happened to HSD? >> >>HSD are you out there?? >Just called the new number. Someone was there to take my call--no salespeople >though. I think Dave Peters has left HSD though. :-( > I couldn't find them at NWE, either... their display appeard to be missing... hmmmm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: boconnor@andi.org (Bob O'Connor) Subject: Re: NeXT in Germany Message-ID: <C831Fv.oE@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: next germany Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1ujdhgINNbs6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 05:47:53 GMT In article <1ujdhgINNbs6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > In article <1993Jun2.171618@aifh.ed.ac.uk> dirkb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Dirk Balfanz) writes: > >Is there a NeXT office somewhere in Germany? If so, could a kind soul please > >point it out to me? > > This number may still be in service: > > Germany NeXT office: 089/961.2083 > > If not, call in the USA at 415-366-0900 to get the proper number. > > > > >Along the same lines, are there some third party software developers (for > >NEXTSTEP) in Germany, preferably Berlin? > > > > There are *a lot* of German NeXTSTEP software commpanies. For instance there > is TMS GmbH which just produced a new publishing software package called > 1-Vision. Their address is: > > W-8400 (D-93051) Regensburg > > Call:49-941-95163 > email:admin@tms-gmbh.de > > They will also be able to tell you the other German NEXTSTEP software > companies. > > >Thanks in advance. > > > >Dirk. > > -Eric Karl Klarmann is a sales manager with NeXT in Munich and may be able to point you in the right direction. His number is 49-899-965310. By the way, I am an independent NeXT and Macintosh consultant based in Washington, DC looking for some work in Germany. Any suggestions? Bob O'Connor boconnor@andi.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: 2 headed NEXT Message-ID: <1993Jun4.074659.23682@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1ums5f$nvh@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 07:46:59 GMT In article <1ums5f$nvh@pith.uoregon.edu> sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu writes: >a question... If the nextStep Machines support 2 video cards >would it provide you with 2 identical displays, or would it >(Please, please, please) give you a Macintosh type multi-monitor >interface with an expanded desktop. Considering that NeXTdimension systems do the latter, I would expect n-headed NS/FIP systems to work the same way. >I am seriously looking into a nextstep equiped machine for >graphic applications and the ability to have 2 monitors would >be a serious advantage. I would like to know also how the next >step machines compare to Macs. > >take the following machines: > 66mhz dx/2 w/ VL-bus video card. machine running nextstep. > verses a Quadra 800. You have a choice: shitty hardware with "insanely great" software, or pretty darn good hardware with "ok" software. Without knowing more about your needs, how you intend to use the machine, etc. I can't make a strong recommendation either way. As a programmer, I'd favor NeXTSTEP. As an end-user, I'd lean towards the Mac. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic bundle: who sells it in US? Message-ID: <1993Jun3.103755.5462@nic.csu.net> From: bau@potrero.sfsu.edu (Steve &) Date: 3 Jun 93 10:37:52 PDT References: <1993Jun3.155623.5192@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> Distribution: usa In article <1993Jun3.155623.5192@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> writes: > This may have been disucssed before, but can anyone give me the names and phone > numbers of a university bookstore or computing center that will take an order > for the NeXTSTEP 3.1 Academic Bundle for Education (for black hardware)? > > The 1-800-848-NEXT phone number leads you to a message about this bundle that > says "contact your campus reseller" which doesn't help very much. > > There's nothing on our campus that sells NeXT stuff, and nothing in Florida as > far as I know. In the past I've bought from Florida State and Georgia Tech, > but I understand they don't sell NeXT anymore. > > BTW, does the academic bundle include the free upgrade to 3.2 when it comes > out? No luck? Try us! Dear Students and faculty/staff members, Welcome to PiXY, we are an 100% educational computer software reseller who would like to share new technology with you. PiXY (Pre)Announcing.... N e X T S T E P F O R I N T E L P R O C E S S O R S A C A D E M I C B U N D L E Welcome to the next generation of object-oriented computing. NeXTStep for INTEL Processors is the cheapest UNIX solution available for academia on the Intel platform with the most elegant object-oriented development tools ever written in the industry. If you want NeXTStep for Intel and cannot get it through your local campus bookstore, we would be happy to cater your needs. We have pre-ordered 50 copies of NeXTStep for Intel Processors and we would like to sell it to you for $249 + shipping and tax. PiXY will ship the NeXTStep software to you when NeXT ships it to us (June 15, 1993 according to NeXT. ) For more info, please do not hesitate to e-mail bau@sutro.sfsu.edu for more info... (Since we are still trying to make sure whether the developer version includes manuals and whether users gets free upgrade to 3.2, we are still unable to finalize the shipping charges and release more info. We are also planning to introduce several hardware and peripheral configs bundled with NS-FIP, a series of support services and we will announce details by the middle of June ( around 15th ). Please do not hesitate to e-mail me at bau@sutro.sfsu.edu if you have any questions. I loved to return e-mails :) ) Copyright 1993 PiXY Co. Price and availability subject to change without notice. Offer applies only to Students, and Faculty members in North America.
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic bundle: who sells it in US? Date: 3 Jun 1993 17:53:00 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1uldpsINNles@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Jun3.155623.5192@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> In article <1993Jun3.155623.5192@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> tom@cse.fau.edu (Tom Horton) writes: > The 1-800-848-NEXT phone number leads you to a message > about this bundle that says "contact your campus reseller" > which doesn't help very much. The phone number I used to order my academic software (actually an upgrade, but it should work for anything) is 1-800-677-6398. After much consideration, I decided that stands for 1-800-MRS-NeXT :-) For the record, the cost for the 2.x ->3.1 upgrade will be $495. For a limited time, you can buy 2.x->3.0->3.1 for $469 (Don't ask why). And yes, that includes developer. I think this number is NeXT's Sales line. I think the full list of numbers is (someone clarify/correct me, please): 1-800-TRY-NeXT (879) - evaluator kits, response to ads 1-800-ASK-NeXT (275) - support 1-800-MRS-NeXT (677) - sales 1-800-TAU-NeXT (848) - Voice mail? > BTW, does the academic bundle include the free upgrade to 3.2 > when it comes out? Yes. It is the identical to the commericial one, except you can't make any money off of it. I don't know if that includes distributing shareware, but it might be worth checking. Hope this helps. -enp -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.0 --> 3.1 Black upgrade info Message-ID: <13013@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 3 Jun 93 18:50:22 GMT References: <1993Jun3.155623.5192@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> <1uldpsINNles@gap.caltech.edu> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <1uldpsINNles@gap.caltech.edu> ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes: >The phone number I used to order my academic software (actually an >upgrade, but it should work for anything) is 1-800-677-6398. After >much consideration, I decided that stands for 1-800-MRS-NeXT :-) Just called to order my 3.0 --> 3.1 Motorola upgrade. Strange news. According to "Chris" at this number, There will be no academic discount on this upgrade. If one wants to have both user and developer functionality, one must buy both a user and a developer upgrade kit, for $75 and $99 respectively, for a total of $174 plus $12.50 shipping. They are *not* shipping this yet, and will not be for at least a week. Expected time to receive the package: 3-4 weeks. . -- ** Casey Palowitch - cjp+@pitt.edu UWSA #570881 ** ** Networked Information Services Group / Technical Services ** ** U. of Pittsburgh Library Systems // NeXTSTEP... ** ** ...the most respected piece of software on the planet BYTE10/92 **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic bundle: who sells it in US? Message-ID: <1993Jun3.113426.5473@nic.csu.net> From: bau@potrero.sfsu.edu (Steve &) Date: 3 Jun 93 11:34:26 PDT References: <1993Jun3.103755.5462@nic.csu.net> Distribution: usa In article <1993Jun3.103755.5462@nic.csu.net> writes: > In article <1993Jun3.155623.5192@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> writes: > > This may have been disucssed before, but can anyone give me the names > and phone > > numbers of a university bookstore or computing center that will take an > order > > for the NeXTSTEP 3.1 Academic Bundle for Education (for black hardware)? Sorry! I didn't realized that it was for black hardware. According to my understanding, NeXT sells 3.1 User and Developer to registered owners of 3.0 for $179 and it is available sometime in July. You order through 1-800-try-NeXT for it. From what I've heard, there are no plans for 3.1 educational bundle because of this low price. NeXT handles all the OS resell for black hardware. - Steve Bau PiXY Co.
From: dgd@nantucket.West.Sun.COM (Dan Donovan - Sun San Francisco SE) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help !!!! Where is HSD? Date: 3 Jun 1993 20:27:30 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ulmriINNmqg@west.West.Sun.COM> References: <C823sD.6ID@nas.nasa.gov> In article 6ID@nas.nasa.gov, pulliam@rft29.nas.nasa.gov (Thomas H Pulliam) writes: > >I have a scanner from HSD Microcomputer U.S. Inc which is hosed right >now. I tried calling HSD at (415)964-1400 and I get Ma Bells new nunber >(408)774-1400 a nonexistant number. >I tried information and didn't get anywhere. I tried HSD's 800 number >which is disconnected. Did I miss something on the net? >What happened to HSD? > >HSD are you out there?? > >-- > ********************* > * * |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > * You're * | Thomas H. Pulliam | > * * | MS 202A-1 NASA Ames Research Center | > * In A * | Moffett Field, Ca 94035 | > * * | (415) 604-6417 | > * BOX * | pulliam@rft29.nas.nasa.gov | > * * |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > ********************* Just called the new number. Someone was there to take my call--no salespeople though. I think Dave Peters has left HSD though. :-( Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: NWE NOIR auction [was: A B I G Apology to attendees of my BOF at N.W. Expo.] Message-ID: <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <1993Jun3.051335.1962@das.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 03:13:21 GMT Charles L. Perkins (clp@home.HarvardSq.COM) wrote: : ... : I was bidding on everything in sight at the NOIR auction and in particular, : absolutely HAD to have the NeXT-cable dies from the factory, which didn't : go on the "bidding block" until after 8 pm (the order was random). : ... What sorts of things were auctioned? Does anyone remember their rough prices? Thanks... Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: 3 Jun 1993 23:50:23 -0500 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <1umkaf$oma@valinor.cubetech.com> References: <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <C81C94.23t@molly.uucp> In article <C81C94.23t@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: >In <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) asks: >As for the main topic of this thread, it seems to me that one buys a license >to a PostScript interpreter when one buys NeXTSTEP. I believe that this >license ought to allow one to direct the output of that interpreter wherever >one damn well pleases. Well, guess what... Adobe has every right to limit the scope of your license to it's software - PostScript. The reason 3.1 includes such limiting clauses in the license is because Adobe has been loosing money because people (including myself) are using the NeXT windowserver to RIP images for big expensive color printers like the Iris and CLC printers. RIP's from Adobe for these kinds of printers are VERY expensive and it was cheaper to buy NeXT computer and write RIP software than to buy a hardware RIP. This is a shame because NeXT has the best damn PostScript RIP ever created for anything close to the money. It absolutely runs circles around any RIP I've seen besides ones with four R4000's in them (for example). However, the good news is that Adobe seems to be licensing their RIP based on the retail price of the printer. So a license for your HP desk-jet will be much much less than the license for my $120,000 Iris 3024... andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 2 headed NEXT Date: 4 Jun 1993 09:50:52 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1un5ts$e40@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Jun4.074659.23682@csus.edu> In article <1993Jun4.074659.23682@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: >In article <1ums5f$nvh@pith.uoregon.edu> sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu > writes: >>a question... If the nextStep Machines support 2 video cards >>would it provide you with 2 identical displays, or would it >>(Please, please, please) give you a Macintosh type multi-monitor >>interface with an expanded desktop. > >Considering that NeXTdimension systems do the latter, I would >expect n-headed NS/FIP systems to work the same way. You can't compare PC video and ND directly. On the NeXTbus, slots were ID'ed so software could address multiple ND boards independently. On the PC, VL-bus video boards must be configurable to map VRAM and I/O into different address ranges. I don't know if the current video cards are designed with that kind of flexibility (I hope so). So, the limitation, if it exists currently, is in the configurability of video boards. If they are configurable so addressing conflicts can be resolved, I am sure it will be supported, if not immediately. I want multi-headed NS/Intel videos, and I want the H- and V-timebase on those multiple boards synchronized. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <1993Jun4.073755.12532@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 07:37:55 GMT In article <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> shill@ccsi.com (Sean L. Hill) writes: > Take a good look at these headers. Both of them were recognized as > NEXTMAIL. This is very interesting. When do we get MIME capable > NEXTMAIL? > > Hopefully soon! > > -Sean > I don't remember exactly where, but I heard that Mail.app would be MIME-compliant by the time 3.2 is released in September. John -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-4433 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: HELP: eps -> tiff ???? Message-ID: <C83L69.2D0@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 12:54:08 GMT I need to use MediaView to make a demo for a sponsor on Monday from Images generated in Mathematica. I just discovered that the "ConvertPasteboard" for TIFFs is brokem on Mathematica 3.1 on the NeXT. It generates a TIFF that instead of the magic number has blanks on the top of the file. Thus, the file.tiff cannot be opened by anything else. The eps option works and therefore it seems reasonable that if I had a "epstotiff" utility it would solve my problem. I need to do this automatically for hundreds of images. I checked pbmplus and the tiff utils and there is nothing that could help !. Before I use NXImage in my own App that I would have to develop from scratch, does ANYBODY KNOW OF A WORKING EPS TO TIFF CONVERTER ????? It sounds rediculus that I would have to make such a request under NeXTSTEP (with this great integrattion of PS and TIFFs) but I have to ! Anxiously waiting for any answers, and Thanking all of you who can provide a clue, --john m. NRL-NUG ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Date: 4 Jun 93 09:29:29 Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University Message-ID: <ANDERSON.93Jun4092929@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> References: <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> <1993Jun4.073755.12532@relief.com> In-reply-to: jjfeiler@relief.com's message of Fri, 4 Jun 1993 07:37:55 GMT When I sent off for the NS/FIP hardware guide from NeXTAnswers, the reply message I got had the following headers: Delivery-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 93 12:10:55 -0400 From: NeXTAnswers@NeXT.COM (NeXTanswers) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 09:11:23 -0700 Makemail: vNA1.5d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/x-nextmail; charset=US-ASCII To: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu Subject: NeXTanswers reply, document 1002 Reply-To: nextanswers@NeXT.COM Errors-To: nextanswers-request@NeXT.COM Something tells me someone at NeXT has MIME-compliant NeXTMail working.... --Steve Anderson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tony Maas) Subject: Re: Academic bundle: who sells it in US? Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun04.133720.10310@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1993 13:37:20 GMT Distribution: usa Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993Jun3.103755.5462@nic.csu.net> <1993Jun3.113426.5473@nic.csu.net> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1993Jun3.113426.5473@nic.csu.net>, bau@potrero.sfsu.edu (Steve &) writes: |> In article <1993Jun3.103755.5462@nic.csu.net> writes: |> > In article <1993Jun3.155623.5192@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> writes: |> > > This may have been disucssed before, but can anyone give me the names |> > and phone |> > > numbers of a university bookstore or computing center that will take |> an |> > order |> > > for the NeXTSTEP 3.1 Academic Bundle for Education (for black |> hardware)? |> |> |> Sorry! I didn't realized that it was for black hardware. According to my |> understanding, NeXT sells 3.1 User and Developer to registered owners of |> 3.0 for $179 and it is available sometime in July. You order through |> 1-800-try-NeXT for it. From what I've heard, there are no plans for 3.1 |> educational bundle because of this low price. NeXT handles all the OS |> resell for black hardware. |> |> |> - Steve Bau |> PiXY Co. So for those of us who just bought the certificate saying we could borrow somebody's CD-ROM and install 3.0, but not get the actual CD, are we out of luck? I was quoted an academic price of $239 from Software Sales at UW-Madison, without mentioning that I had bought the copy license.... Can somebody also repost what's included in the academic bundle, or send it to my email address below? I don't have sonata's IP address. Thanks. -- Tony Maas IBM Rochester tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help !!!! Where is HSD? Date: 4 Jun 1993 14:50:21 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <1unnfd$ce4@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <thompsonC8360I.6sB@netcom.com> In article <thompsonC8360I.6sB@netcom.com> thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: > >>What happened to HSD? > >> > >>HSD are you out there?? > >Just called the new number. Someone was there to take my call--no salespeople > >though. I think Dave Peters has left HSD though. :-( > > > > I couldn't find them at NWE, either... their display appeard to be > missing... hmmmm HSD-U.S. is in a state of flux. I talked with Dave Peter, formerly the President of the US division, on the floor, and he has indeed left HSD for some time off and a new job in San Diego. The other top tech at HSD (Kevin?) has also left. Dave says the company will still exist in the U.S., but I can't remember if people have been identified/hired to keep the shop going. -- - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: Re: HELP: eps -> tiff ???? Message-ID: <C83utK.731@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 16:22:31 GMT I found the answer to my own question: In the distribution of ImageViewer there is a command line filter called "image" that functions like almost a universal translator and let's you translate (via a shell script that incorporates it) all the hundreds of images that one might want to translate !!! Thanks all the kind people that responded to my message anyway! Cheers, --john m. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLXXXX ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun3.101342.659@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X References: <1993Jun1.204040.5669@adobe.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 10:13:42 GMT In article <1993Jun1.204040.5669@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: > > What does this mean to the user? My suspicion is that NeXT or a > third party will offer a sanctioned product that comes with a license > that allows printing to these dumb printers, and the printer license > royalty will be buried in that. > I'm not sure about the legal situation in the US, but here in Europe this probably wouldn't affect customers at all, because I believe this kind of restriction is illegal. BTW: Can you imagine you buy a car with the following written in the manual: "This car can be used on all major roads, but not on hiways. Also you're not licensed to drive in Florida. You can buy an extended license for your car if you have a need to drive in Florida and on hiways." -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu (jim stukas) Subject: playing .au files on a NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jun4.165515.23565@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 16:55:15 GMT Hello folks, We have some huge sound files here on our local net (Internet Talk Radio, for those in the know) which are stored as .au files. The NeXT Gopher will allow me to play them, but I can't pause. The NeXT sound tools will allow me to pause, but I can't open the .au files - just because of the extension. What a bone! Any one with any ideas? I tried creating a link from the .au file to a .snd file in my /tmp directory, but no luck... how can I modify the NeXT sound tools to open a .au file? I can access the source to SoundEditor in NeXTDeveloper/Demos. NS 3.0 on black hardware. TIA. Jim -- "If you don't know why you want NT, you probably don't want NT" -Bill Gates, PC Week 5 April 1993 p. 8 Jim Stukas (219) 631-8292 User Services Bitnet: jstukas@irishvma Office of University Computing internet: stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu University of Notre Dame NeXT mail cheerfully accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu (jim stukas) Subject: Re: playing .au files on a NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jun4.171813.24206@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame References: <1993Jun4.165515.23565@news.nd.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 17:18:13 GMT In article <1993Jun4.165515.23565@news.nd.edu> stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu (that's me!) writes: >Hello folks, > We have some huge sound files here on our local net (Internet Talk >Radio, for those in the know) which are stored as .au files. The NeXT >Gopher will allow me to play them, but I can't pause. The NeXT sound >tools will allow me to pause, but I can't open the .au files - just >because of the extension. What a bone! Any one with any ideas? I tried >creating a link from the .au file to a .snd file in my /tmp directory, but >no luck... how can I modify the NeXT sound tools to open a .au file? I >can access the source to SoundEditor in NeXTDeveloper/Demos. > >NS 3.0 on black hardware. > >TIA. Just to follow up on my own post (a long standing USENET tradition), I did get the link to work finally. I guess I would still like to figure out why these sound tools on the NeXT won't read a .au file even if the data is the same as the NeXT's .snd files. -- "If you don't know why you want NT, you probably don't want NT" -Bill Gates, PC Week 5 April 1993 p. 8 Jim Stukas (219) 631-8292 User Services Bitnet: jstukas@irishvma Office of University Computing internet: stukas@mbolo.cc.nd.edu University of Notre Dame NeXT mail cheerfully accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: trance@world.std.com (Michael S Meacham) Subject: News help--please Message-ID: <C83zBH.910@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 17:59:39 GMT After months of trying to get news going on my slab, this morning it finally worked. Only one problem remians--how to get news that I post that shows up locally out to the USENET at large, i.e., I can post a message with Newsgrazer to comp.sys.next.misc, but it doesn't get transmitted to my news feed. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Michael
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <50529@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 4 Jun 93 18:03:25 GMT References: <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> <1993Jun4.073755.12532@relief.com> <ANDERSON.93Jun4092929@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD In article <ANDERSON.93Jun4092929@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) writes: >[munch] > >Something tells me someone at NeXT has MIME-compliant NeXTMail >working.... > What is MIME? Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,su.market,ba.market,su.org.ccrma.bboard From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Color NeXTStation (16/250) $3300 Message-ID: <1993Jun4.182409.2555@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 18:24:09 GMT (note the price adjustments) I have a color NeXTStation in perfectly good condition for sale: 25MHz 68040 (15 MIPS), (+ DSP 56001, etc) 16MB RAM, 250MB internal HD, 2.88MB internal floppy drive, 17" color monitor NeXTStep 3.0 (about 300MB of system software, libraries, etc.), Mathematica 2.0, documentation. etc. $3300 or best reasonable offer (make an offer--I may be flexible!). Some of the components still have warranty time due to merging of equipment. For 32MB, add more $$ PS: This machine could be made available in EUROPE as well-- ca. 6000 DM or BEST OFFER. I'm leaving about the middle of June to Germany. Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: lroberts@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Roberts) Subject: NXFax problem Message-ID: <1993Jun4.181633.27396@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Keywords: NXFax Sender: Larry S. Roberts Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 18:16:33 GMT We have recently installed NXFax (registerd) on TurboColor Nextstation running NS 3.0 with a ZyXel modem. Currently, when we try to send a fax, more often than not is is unsucessful. It returns the message: Your fax could not be delivered, The remote fax machine failed to identify itself correctly. Has anyone else had this problem? It doesn't seem to make a difference what machine we are sending to. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Please reply by email. Thanks. -Larry S. Roberts 8450lsr@indy.navy.mil lroberts@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NWE NOIR auction [was: A B I G Apology to attendees of my BOF at N.W. Expo.] Date: 4 Jun 1993 19:16:52 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <1uo735INN9qq@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1993Jun3.051335.1962@das.harvard.edu> <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> <1993Jun4.055906.18759@csus.edu> In article <1993Jun4.055906.18759@csus.edu> eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes: >[Many inappropriate newsgroups removed] >In article <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> > verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes: >>What sorts of things were auctioned? Does anyone remember their rough >>prices? >Also, tons of software for around half retail, and a handful near >75% off retail. And, of course, lots of rare and valuable NeXT >memorabilia. > -=EPS=- Eric, Just what are you going to do with those 300 NeXTtools ?-) -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: swekla@ee.ualberta.ca (Brent Swekla) Subject: NS3.0 on a 68030 cube. Comments? Message-ID: <swekla.739221074@ee.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 19:11:14 GMT I have just had a 68030 cube arrive on the doorstep and was wondering if anybody still saddled with such a beast is actually running 3.0. If you are and have any concise, pertinent comments to share (bugs, annoyances, etc) I could use all the info I can get. Thanks. -- Brent Swekla "I will not take adverbs from a stranger." swekla@ee.ualberta.ca -- Samuel Clemens' gardener
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: roy@hicam.spd.hitachi.com (Roy Pillay ) Subject: NeXTstation 8/520 for sale Message-ID: <1993Jun4.173046.3659@hitachi.com> Sender: roy@hicam (Roy Pillay ) Organization: Hitachi Computer Products America Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 17:30:46 GMT I have NeXTstation 040/25mhz grayscale system for sale. It also comes with NeXT Laserprinter. Configuration as follows: Memory 8MB Disk 520MB Fujitsu 9ms Quantum 105 This offer also includes some Original Software with disks and manuals: NextStep 3.0 FrameMaker 3.0 Improv Adobe Illustrator Selling price is $5000 or best offer. Roy Pillay Phone: (408) 492-9070 x175 email: roy@spd.hitachi.com
From: claspac@tallis.ucsc.edu (Jas-Russell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CompuServe, has anyone written something for NextStep? Date: 4 Jun 1993 19:42:00 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz Message-ID: <1uo8i9INNaa1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Keywords: CompuServe NeXTSTEP I am interested in finding a front-end software package for accessing compuserve using my NeXT. I tried loading the DOS based front-end under SoftPC but it hangs the emulator and won't work. If anyone has experience with either of these techniques for accessing compuserve from NeXTSTEP or UNIX in general, I'd be interested. Thanks Will Russell will@tallis.ucsc.edu 408-459-2060
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: jfr@RedBrick.COM (Jon Rosen) Subject: Re: NWE NOIR auction [was: A B I G Apology to attendees of my BOF at N.W. Expo.] Message-ID: <1993Jun4.194236.29573@RedBrick.COM> Sender: usenet@RedBrick.COM (Net News Account) Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA References: <1993Jun3.051335.1962@das.harvard.edu> <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 19:42:36 GMT In article <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) writes: >Charles L. Perkins (clp@home.HarvardSq.COM) wrote: >: ... >: I was bidding on everything in sight at the NOIR auction and in particular, >: absolutely HAD to have the NeXT-cable dies from the factory, which didn't >: go on the "bidding block" until after 8 pm (the order was random). >: ... > >What sorts of things were auctioned? Does anyone remember their rough >prices? > >Thanks... >Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok Yep.... A set of juggling balls given away to NeXT employees at a company picnic and signed by master juggler and NeXT supertrainer Randy Nelson (Randy is a former member of the Flying Karamozovs juggling troupe as well as being an avid NeXT advocate) went for $275. A set of rare PS/2 NeXTstep for AIX manuals from IBM (which were printed in limited quantities and then destroyed when IBM decided not to ship NeXTstep) went to Mr. Perkins for $800. Many of the 4'x4' photo-art in NeXT's corporate headquarters went for $200 (cheapest, a picture of a NeXT slab) to $1500 (most expensive, the optical disk). Most went for between $400 and $600. Two black lab coats from the factory went for sonething like $300 each. The white lab coat went for (I heard this) $1500. Eric Scott purchased 300 (count-em!!!!) little-black-NeXT-cube- thingie-tools (if you have a cube you know what I mean) for $125!!!! Even more amazing is a few minutes later, 100 of the same tool went for $140!!!!!!!! (Of course, the latter item included the little plastic trays with the tools neatly packaged, whereas Eric's were just strewn together in a box :-) Lotsa other nice stuff was auctioned off including mass quantities of Mahoney/Garfinkel's book. And Dan Lavin was in TOP form as auctioneer. (Dan, you still owe me a backgammon game :-) Jon Rosen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fl1ger@rrz.de (Ralf Weber) Subject: Re: NeXT in Germany Message-ID: <1993Jun4.172259.1652@rrz.de> Sender: fl1ger@rrz.de Organization: Rhein-Rechenzentrum GmbH, Koblenz, Germany References: <1ujdhgINNbs6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 17:22:59 GMT Eric M Hermanson writes > In article <1993Jun2.171618@aifh.ed.ac.uk> dirkb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Dirk Balfanz) writes: > >Is there a NeXT office somewhere in Germany? If so, could a kind soul please > >point it out to me? > > This number may still be in service: > > Germany NeXT office: 089/961.2083 No it's definitley not, it has a answering machine telling you the right number, if you speak german. If not, the new number is +49 89 996531-0 -- Ralf Weber E-Mail: fl1ger@rrz.de Rhein-Rechenzentrum GmbH (NeXTMail preferred) August-Horch-Strasse 28 CompuServe: 100024,1253 Postfach 1540 Voice: +49 261 892-519 D-W5400 Koblenz, Germany Fax: +49 261 892-525
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pulliam@rft29.nas.nasa.gov (Thomas H Pulliam) Subject: HSD is FOUND Message-ID: <C8466w.I0I@nas.nasa.gov> Sender: news@nas.nasa.gov (News Administrator) Organization: NAS/NASA-Ames Research Center Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 20:28:08 GMT Well I found HSD. As of June 1, 1993, HSD has moved to a new location in Sunnyvale. They are at HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1095 East Duane Ave., Ste. 209 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 Tel: (408) 774-1400 Fax: (408) 774-1402 I still can not dial their number and get through MA BEll , but oh well. Thanks for all the quick responses I received. -- ********************* * * |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| * You're * | Thomas H. Pulliam | * * | MS 202A-1 NASA Ames Research Center | * In A * | Moffett Field, Ca 94035 | * * | (415) 604-6417 | * Box ! * | pulliam@rft29.nas.nasa.gov | * * | pulliam@reynolds.nas.nasa.gov | * @1990 * |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ********************* Blue Whales with Peace and Farewell
From: kenyee@ksr.com (Ken Yee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT kicking off idle remote users? Message-ID: <27571@ksr.com> Date: 4 Jun 93 14:28:03 EDT Sender: news@ksr.com Distribution: usa We have some relatively unfriendly NeXTs in-house (turbo and non-turbo, w/ 2.1 and 2.2) that seem to log out people who are remotely logged in and have been idle for a while. Has anyone seen this happen? More importantly, is there some way to turn it off? ken (kenyee@ksr.com)
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Let's get the FAQ going! Message-ID: <50530@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 4 Jun 93 18:28:09 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD Let's get the FAQ going! There are lots of things about NS3.0 and beyond which are not in the old copy of the FAQ. I do not think that I am NOT the right person to put the FAQ together, but I would be willing to collect whatever people put in my (*non*NeXT) mailbox so that at least we get a current (June 93) FAQ. So unless anyone else nominates themself for the job of temporary facts accumulator in the next few days, I nominate myself for this job. (If you can't wait to send info, send it now to me and I will forward it to the other volunteer if there is one. Please use the subject FOR NEXT FAQ.category where category is memory, general, etc.) I will repost in a few days if no one else volunteers. Once this editing job has been done, I would want to send the info off to some else to proofread and post. My knowledge of NeXT is quite limited. Oh, I think that we should add a jargon FAQ. Definitions of common abbreviations like "MIME". Maybe also one for marketing info (like HP and NeXT are doing this, etc.) Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: CD-ROM Formats - ISO9660 in particular Message-ID: <1993Jun4.183958.10485@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Distribution: na Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 18:39:58 GMT Can anyone point me to a document that explains the different CD-ROM formats? ie, block size, directory structure, etc. Does anyone know what format the NeXT CD-ROM 3.0 System comes in? Is it Rockridge? Thanks for any info anyone can provide. -- ********************************************************************* * John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * * Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * *********************************************************************
From: jack@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com (Jack Gidding) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Ksh for NS/I? Message-ID: <4374@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com> Date: 4 Jun 93 18:08:40 GMT Sender: news@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com Anybody have a ksh for the Intel platform? If so, I'd appreciate it. Please, no email about Bash, zsh or any other look alikes. Jack Gidding
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Taligent/PowerPC info Date: 4 Jun 1993 23:38:15 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uomd7$bcg@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: Taligent,PowerPC,IBM,Apple Our local IBM salesman gave a presentation on Taligent and PowerPC yesterday, so I thought I'd pass along what he said: Initial PowerPC systems (based on the 601 chip) will ship January 1994, with 603, 604, and 620 systems over the following year or so. Estimated increase in power: 620 about 3 times the 601. The OS kernel is Mach 3, which is object-oriented. Quoth he, "NeXTSTEP is object-oriented but the underlying OS isn't; Taligent will be." On top of that will be AIX, OS/2, NT, System 7, Solaris, or NeXTSTEP. IBM will initially ship AIX, then OS/2 as an AIX emulator, and eventually a native OS/2. IBM will ship Motif, and Mac and PC emulators (capable of running MS-WINDOWS). In the "Mac Applications Services" package (possibly an extra charge item) will be a 68040 emulator. IBM says Apple plans to ship a million PowerPC's in 1994, compared to Intel's projected 150,000 Pentium CPU chips in 1994. The demo was on an RS/6000, and simple MS-WINDOWS and Mac apps appeared to work at reasonable speed (their windows pop up inside a Motif window). For further information please contact your IBM or Apple salesman. -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun5.004209.14672@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jun3.025605.4163@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 00:42:09 GMT In article <1993Jun3.025605.4163@leland.Stanford.EDU> avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) writes: > Or you can follow my recipie on how to use Ghostscript to print on an HP550C. > The print quality seems good enough to me. > > The ghostscript recipie is to be found on sonata.cc.purdue.edu somewhere. > Maybe the patches directory. > It's /pub/next/lore/HPDeskJet550C.tar.Z on sonata. --- Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun4.215355.11288@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1993Jun1.175658.390@FreemanSoft.com> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 21:53:55 GMT In article <1993Jun1.175658.390@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com writes: >In article <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen >B) writes: >> In article <1993Jun1.013452.2832@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com >(Joe >> Freeman) writes: >> > In article <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> >dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com >> > (Matthew Dillon) writes: >> > > The 3.1 license says the following: >> > > WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS? >> > Such a mouth you have on you. Where is the bar of sope when you need >> > it. :-) >> >> I've got to agree with Matt on this one. Rendering to a bitmap for >> the screen, fax modem, or even to the dumb NeXTprinter isn't >> conceptually different from rendering to a bitmap for your dumb >> third-party printer. > >The RIP it self is conceptually the same. The NeXT printer has always >been a special case, because of its dependence on the machine for all >control operations. > >Financially , to adobe, they are different. Each person that RIPs to a >non postscript printer is lost revenue for Adobe. They aren't getting any >extra money from NeXT and they aren't getting the money from the printer >manufacturer. (Though, in this case I think they are being stupid and >giving the True type folks even more amunition) There are two approaches here. One is the notion of buying a hammer and being told you can only hit blue nails with it. In that light, Id have to say paying for another license on top of a $2790 developers license is insult added to injury, and there is no real loss. The other approach here in the notion of an N user license. If its possible for a user who isnt at the "console" to print while the rendering "application" is being used by the "console". Then the question becomes, can a non-console user use the fax capability? If it is possible for more than one user to use the Postscript rendering capability then the license is more a one computer, one license arrangement than an N-user license. <<<Assorted stuff deleted>>> >-- >Joe Freeman >FreemanSoft Inc. >Joe@FreemanSoft.com >919.783.7033 -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: NWE NOIR auction [was: A B I G Apology to attendees of my BOF at N.W. Expo.] Message-ID: <1993Jun5.025103.9614@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun3.051335.1962@das.harvard.edu> <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> <1993Jun4.194236.29573@RedBrick.COM> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 02:51:03 GMT In article <1993Jun4.194236.29573@RedBrick.COM> jfr@RedBrick.COM (Jon Rosen) writes: > Eric Scott purchased 300 (count-em!!!!) I probably should have ... before Joe Barello filched a couple. :-) > little-black-NeXT-cube- > thingie-tools (if you have a cube you know what I mean) for $125!!!! > Even more amazing is a few minutes later, 100 of the same tool > went for $140!!!!!!!! (Of course, the latter item included the little > plastic trays with the tools neatly packaged, whereas Eric's were > just strewn together in a box :-) Ah, but there was one tray at the bottom of the box! What's really scary was people coming up to me afterwards offering $15- $20 for a *single* tool. I couldn't possibly accept that much. But anyone who wants my tray better offer big bucks... :-) :-) :-) > Lotsa other nice stuff was auctioned off including mass quantities > of Mahoney/Garfinkel's book. I picked up one of those too. Not only did most go for below retail--they're also autographed. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt@nightfly.uucp (Matt Emerson) Subject: Re: NWE NOIR auction Message-ID: <1993Jun5.005210.901@nightfly.uucp> Followup-To: poster Organization: Matt's computer in Medina, Ohio References: <1993Jun3.051335.1962@das.harvard.edu> <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> <1993Jun4.194236.29573@RedBrick.COM> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 00:52:10 GMT In article <1993Jun4.194236.29573@RedBrick.COM> jfr@RedBrick.COM (Jon Rosen) writes: > > A set of rare PS/2 NeXTstep for AIX manuals from IBM (which were > printed in limited quantities and then destroyed when IBM decided > not to ship NeXTstep) went to Mr. Perkins for $800. Yow! Well, if any of the other bidders are dreadfully disappointed, I have a copy of the AIX NeXTstep Environment/6000 User's Guide (SC23-2356-0), which I might be persuaded to part with... :-) -matt -- Matt Emerson fmsystm!nightfly!matt or nightfly!matt@fmsystm.ncoast.org 412 E. Homestead St. / Medina, OH 44256-1763 / voice: +1 (216) 722-2077 if it ain't water-cooled, it's a terminal...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <1993Jun5.040140.12303@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> <1993Jun4.073755.12532@relief.com> <ANDERSON.93Jun4092929@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> <50529@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 04:01:40 GMT In article <50529@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: >What is MIME? Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions, developed by The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) RFC 822 Message Extensions Working Group. RFC 822 (August 1982) specifies the current Internet standard for text-based electronic mail. 822 mail defines a "memo" format, and is limited to 7-bit ASCII (IA5) content, with a single-part message body. Various ad hoc schemes have been developed over the years to "smuggle" other types of data (binaries, multipart documents, multimedia information, etc.) through 822 transports. "NeXT Mail" is one such scheme--rather than wait for a legitimate standard, NeXT cooked up something that people could use now-- people with NeXT machines, that is. MIME goes far beyond what NeXT Mail offers, and does so in a manner that's palatable to the rest of the planet. That's the idea, anyway. The proposed draft standard for MIME can be found in two documents: draft-ietf-822ext-mime2-03.{txt,ps} "MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) Part One: Mechanisms for Specifying and Describing the Format of Internet Message Bodies" draft-ietf-822ext-mime-part2-01.txt "MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) Part Two: Message Header Extensions for Non-ASCII Text" These are available for anonymous FTP from o East Coast (US) Address: ds.internic.net (198.49.45.10) o West Coast (US) Address: ftp.nisc.sri.com (192.33.33.22) o Pacific Rim Address: munnari.oz.au (128.250.1.21) o Europe Address: nic.nordu.net (192.36.148.17) (look for a directory called internet-drafts) MIME standardization involves several other issues as well; for example, it opens the door to multimedia NNTP traffic (if you think USENET is overwhelming now, you're in for a real shock). Also, it needs to be coordinated with the Privacy Enhanced Mail people and the X.400 losers. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: NWE NOIR auction [was: A B I G Apology to attendees of my BOF at N.W. Expo.] Message-ID: <1993Jun5.041234.12836@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun3.051335.1962@das.harvard.edu> <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> <1993Jun4.055906.18759@csus.edu> <1uo735INN9qq@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 04:12:34 GMT In article <1uo735INN9qq@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: >Eric, > Just what are you going to do with those 300 NeXTtools ?-) Make "art" out of them? I could probably be persuaded to sell a few to BANG members for far less than NeXT would have charged. I realize that there are quite a few people with slabs who don't have one (they were only shipped with cubes), and want to get inside their MegaPixel displays. -=EPS=-
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Message-ID: <1993Jun4.114504.3552@imani.cam.org> Date: 4 Jun 93 11:45:04 GMT References: <C81Bp9.21u@molly.uucp> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <C81Bp9.21u@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: > In article <1993Jun1.204153.4659@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> writes: [munch, munch] (stuff about sales of Sun hardware ~56 000) > SunSoft sold 116,000 copies of Solaris. This number, projected over the ^^^^^^^ Does that number include upgrades for old machines? (i.e. Solaris for SPARC) Sincer there are a million+ of them, that a good market right there. The Solaris for PC numbers would mean more to me. Also, how many of those copies were bought by people who bought new Sun harware? Doesn't Sun Micro ask you to buy Solaris from SunSoft now? Thanks for the clarifications Ciao > entire year, would put Solaris sales at roughly a half million in the year - > fully half of the volume that mass-market Microsoft predicts for the first > year of NT sales. This, of course, is the quarter preceding the introduction > of Solaris for Intel. > > Jim Vlcek > molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmoffett@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Moffett) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <dmoffett.739202617@nextsrv1> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> <1993Jun4.073755.12532@relief.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 14:03:37 GMT jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) writes: >In article <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> shill@ccsi.com (Sean L. Hill) >writes: >> Take a good look at these headers. Both of them were recognized as >> NEXTMAIL. This is very interesting. When do we get MIME capable >> NEXTMAIL? >> >> Hopefully soon! >> >> -Sean >> >I don't remember exactly where, but I heard that Mail.app would be >MIME-compliant by the time 3.2 is released in September. > John I talk to NeXT about this during expo and they indicated that something was in the works but it sounded more like 4.0 to me. The sooner the better. David Moffett dmoffett@andi.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun4.091942.183@elysia.fdn.org> Sender: luis@elysia.fdn.org Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. References: <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 09:19:42 GMT In article <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > > The 3.1 license says the following: > > 6. PRINTING > > You are licensed to use the NeXT Software to output bitmaps > generated by the PostScript interpreter included with the NeXT > Software (a) to create images for display on your computer screen, > (b) to putput to Group III or Group IV facsimile devices, (c) to > output to any device containing its own PostScript language > interpreter, and (d) to output to either (i) NeXT Laster Printers or (ii) > NeXT Color Printers manufactured prior to April 1993 (i.e., black > NeXT-labeled printers). You are not otherwise licensed to print > PostScript language files created with your NeXT Software without > an additional license available from NeXT. > > WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS? NeXT, YOU GODDAMN ASSHOLES THIS IS A PIECE OF > TOTAL DOG DOOKY. WHAT ABOUT ALL THAT CRAP ABOUT "SUPPORTING NON POSTSCRIPT > PRINTERS" YOU'VE BEEN SAYING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS!?!?!?! THIS IS AN > UNREASONABLE RESTRICTION AND I'M GOING TO GIVE IT AS MUCH BAD PRESS AS PEOPLE > I KNOW IN THE INDUSTRY! > At one of the developer s conferences at NeXTWORLD EXPO, a lawyer speaking on software protection stated that shrink-wrap licenses are basically not binding and probably don t hold up in court. So I would go ahead and use whatever printer you feel like using. --- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon 92500 RUEIL-MALMAISON FRANCE [33] (1) 47 49 61 96 [33] (1) 47 14 99 08 fax luis@elysia.fdn.org (NeXTmail ok) -- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <ANDERSON.93Jun4092929@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> <50529@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> <1993Jun5.040140.12303@csus.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 10:44:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun5.104451.14555@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Jun5.040140.12303@csus.edu> eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes: >MIME standardization involves several other issues as well; for >example, it opens the door to multimedia NNTP traffic (if you >think USENET is overwhelming now, you're in for a real shock). >Also, it needs to be coordinated with the Privacy Enhanced Mail >people and the X.400 losers. About eight years ago I worked with a guy (a visionary?;-) who was always going on about how X.400 was the future. Whatever happened to it? (X.400 I mean, not the future :-). Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> <1993Jun4.073755.12532@relief.com> <dmoffett.739202617@nextsrv1> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 10:49:41 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun5.104941.14619@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <dmoffett.739202617@nextsrv1> dmoffett@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Moffett) writes: >I talk to NeXT about this during expo and they indicated that something was in the works but it sounded more like 4.0 to me. >The sooner the better. Why the delay? Having glanced at the spec a couple of weeks ago, it looks as though _minimal_ MIME conformance (the correct headers and bunging in a section containing an ascii version of the text) is no more than a couple of days work. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Taligent/PowerPC info Keywords: Taligent,PowerPC,IBM,Apple Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1uomd7$bcg@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 10:56:05 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun5.105605.14681@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1uomd7$bcg@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: >Our local IBM salesman gave a presentation on Taligent and PowerPC yesterday, >so I thought I'd pass along what he said: > >Initial PowerPC systems (based on the 601 chip) will ship January 1994, >with 603, 604, and 620 systems over the following year or so. Estimated >increase in power: 620 about 3 times the 601. > >The OS kernel is Mach 3, which is object-oriented. Quoth he, "NeXTSTEP is >object-oriented but the underlying OS isn't; Taligent will be." What's more object-oriented about Mach 3 over Mach 2.5? I thought the main difference was just the unix stuff moving out into a server. >On top of that will be AIX, OS/2, NT, System 7, Solaris, or NeXTSTEP. What about Taligent? :-) This is puzzling. If it's based on Mach 3 and lets you run all those OS flavours, what _is_ Taligent exactly? Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Help !!!! Where is HSD? Message-ID: <1993Jun5.121904.26451@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <thompsonC8360I.6sB@netcom.com> <1unnfd$ce4@fermat.mayo.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 12:19:04 GMT In article <1unnfd$ce4@fermat.mayo.edu> brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) writes: >In article <thompsonC8360I.6sB@netcom.com> >thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: >>[someone else writes:] >>>>What happened to HSD? >HSD-U.S. is in a state of flux. I talked with Dave Peter, >formerly the President of the US division, on the floor, and >he has indeed left HSD for some time off and a new job in >San Diego. The other top tech at HSD (Kevin?) has also >left. >Dave says the company will still exist in the U.S., but I >can't remember if people have been identified/hired to keep >the shop going. Interesting and not entirely reassuring news. As someone who quite recently bought a scanner and software from HSD, this raises support issues that concern me. One thing I liked about David Peter was that he was present on the net, and anything you asked or said about HSD caught his eye and elicited a prompt response. So that seems a cord (cosmic or otherwise :-) worth yanking: is HSD listening? If so, speak up. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---> Nothing scares a middle class bigot more than a possible liability. <---]
From: dirkb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Dirk Balfanz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 32-bit Color for NS/FIP Message-ID: <36840@castle.ed.ac.uk> Date: 5 Jun 93 15:26:27 GMT Sender: nntpusr@castle.ed.ac.uk Distribution: world Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service As I understand a 32-bit color imaging model is planned for a "future release" of NS/FIP. My question is how this may affect the choice of graphics hardware I buy today (assuming I want to have a NS machine now but also want to be able to upgrade to that "future release" and take full advantage of true color + 8 bit transparency). As for add-on VLB (or EISA) cards, will I need more VRAM than the current 2MB? If so, can I simply plug in more RAM or will I need to buy a new card? Or will I need to buy a new card for other reasons (e.g. bus width)? Or will they work just fine? And what about on-board graphics hardware such as JAWS (in Dell machines) or Wingine (in Epson) machines? Will they be able to handle the 32-bit color imaging model without a change? Dirk. P.S.: Which "future release" do they mean? 3.2? 7.0?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) Subject: Re: Is 3.1 worth it? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <1993Jun3.195751.10787@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Agnus' Home, Leonberg/Warmbronn, Germany References: <Eg2pj5u00ggFI182ZT@cs.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 19:57:51 GMT Anwar.Mohammed@cs.cmu.edu wrote: > What does 3.1 fix over 3.0 on black hardware? Very good question! The update for real NeXT hardware (3.0 -> 3.1) is very expensive. Too expensive in my opinion. I have payed a high price to get to upgrade 2.1 -> 3.0 and all told me, other updates to new 3.x releases will be free for me. Now, NeXT became a software company and the software prices became high. So, is there any reason for me to update to 3.1? New features? New applications? Less bugs? More speed? Matthias -- ** Matthias Zepf, Riegelaeckerstrasse 27, 71 229 Leonberg, Germany ** ** +49 7152 41917 Email: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (use NeXTmail!) **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: I WANT A neXt!!!! Message-ID: <C82751.2nC@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun1.160735.1@wittenberg.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 18:53:24 GMT In article <1993Jun1.160735.1@wittenberg.edu> rmwbb@wittenberg.edu writes: #Hello out there, #for a total not ot exceed 1500 firm (that is all I have): # #A next 68040 with 8megs ram, 80 megs HD, and of course unix installed. #Also, a monito larger than 13 inches (greyscale) and a ehternet card that will #hook right to ten baset. I want ot be able to take this thing out of the box, #hook it up to teh wall, and rock and roll: just like for my mac. They all come with monitors larger than 13". As for the price, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!! # #Now, anyone? No one is selling NeXT boxes that cheap. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: 3.1 Upgrade for Black Message-ID: <1993Jun5.182729.21884@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 18:27:29 GMT It has gently been pointed out to me by a friendly Voice from the West that there is an important licensing difference between the 3.1 developer upgrade for black hardware and the heavy, heavy box I brought home from NWE, the 3.1 developer system, which will work on both white and black. In an earlier posting about the 3.1 upgrades (user and developer), I mentioned not ordering a 3.1 developer upgrade for black because I have one. While that's true, and I'm technically in no trouble because I don't own any suitable white hardware on which to install things I got at NWE, I *am* short one developer license if I do (as planned) get suitable white hardware this summer. I need to review my own options about this, but in the meantime I don't want to mislead others. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Pick battles big enough to matter, small enough to win. <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: 3.1 Upgrade Issues Message-ID: <1993Jun5.183412.22363@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 18:34:12 GMT There have been several postings about what the 3.1 upgrade fixes, by people wondering if they should opt for it. I'm at least as concerned about what 3.1 will break or delete from 3.0, in the way that Icon and Scene got broken by the 2.x to 3.0 upgrade. I'm concerned that elm and trn will still compile under 3.1 without turning handsprings, as was somewhat necessary when NeXT "improved" the header file directories in 3.0. It would perhaps be helpful if those who've installed the 3.1 upgrades could report their experiences here. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Pick battles big enough to matter, small enough to win. <---------]
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Date: 5 Jun 1993 19:11:37 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m11rv9INNmu@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <C81Bp9.21u@molly.uucp> <1993Jun4.114504.3552@imani.cam.org> In article <1993Jun4.114504.3552@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: >In article <C81Bp9.21u@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: >> In article <1993Jun1.204153.4659@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> writes: >[munch, munch] (stuff about sales of Sun hardware ~56 000) >> SunSoft sold 116,000 copies of Solaris. This number, projected over the > ^^^^^^^ > >Does that number include upgrades for old machines? (i.e. Solaris for SPARC) Yes...it also includes non-SMCC SPARC machines, i.e. all the SPARC clones. Also, SunSoft owns Interactive, and those numbers are not in the above. >Sincer there are a million+ of them, that a good market right there. The Solaris >for PC numbers would mean more to me. Solaris x86 was formally introduced March 29th, so Q1CY93 numbers are N/A. >Also, how many of those copies were bought by people who bought new Sun harware? ~56,000...see above. >Doesn't Sun Micro ask you to buy Solaris from SunSoft now? Not at all. In fact, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation Sales Reps will be able to sell Solaris for Intel, as will ~2,000 resellers and numerous systems vendors. >Thanks for the clarifications no problemo ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 32-bit Color for NS/FIP Date: 5 Jun 1993 12:43:46 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uqt1i$e29@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <36840@castle.ed.ac.uk> I think the PCI bus that Apple plans to replace Nubus with may yield an answer with regard to 32-bit color especially since the PC industry is adopting it as well. I am very interested in the PCI bus. Can someone explain how (or if) it could be implemented with NEXTSTEP and when this implementation is expected? maurices
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Upgrade Issues Date: 5 Jun 1993 20:48:57 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <1uqtb9$a5t@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1993Jun5.183412.22363@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote > >There have been several postings about what the 3.1 upgrade >fixes, by people wondering if they should opt for it. > >I'm at least as concerned about what 3.1 will break or >delete from 3.0, in the way that Icon and Scene got broken >by the 2.x to 3.0 upgrade. I'm concerned that elm and trn >will still compile under 3.1 without turning handsprings, as >was somewhat necessary when NeXT "improved" the header file >directories in 3.0. From what I have heard, (I'm a diehard elm and trn user too :-)) its a bit more trouble actually under 3.1. Although I haven't tried it and some people have more difficulties than others when it comes to compiling vanilla unix code. Currently in 3.0 I have binaries for INN,slurp,elm,trn,procmail,sendmail565c+IDA and I cannot live without these programs for less than a day. The key thing in 3.1 for me is bug fixes and most importantly better documentation, especially for the DBKit and I think there is a new concepts on line or a broken down one at least. It's a significant upgrade for programmers. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTMail from pasteboard Message-ID: <C862Er.4u8@eis.calstate.edu> From: jmiller@eis.calstate.edu (John Miller) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 21:01:39 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Some time ago someone posted a technique for reading NeXTMail which had been downloaded off a school mainframe to his home machine via modem which involved (if I remember correctly) pasting the message into a Compose panel and sending it to himself. However, when I try to do this, all I get is the original encoding after receiving the message. I'm trying to read NeXTMail from NextAnswers and having no success. Perhaps it's just a matter of truncating the message in the right spot? Anyone remember how to do this correctly? Thanks for your help. John Miller
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmoffett@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Moffett) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <dmoffett.739283708@nextsrv1> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> <1993Jun4.073755.12532@relief.com> <dmoffett.739202617@nextsrv1> <1993Jun5.104941.14619@prim> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 12:35:08 GMT dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >In article <dmoffett.739202617@nextsrv1> dmoffett@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Moffett) writes: >>I talk to NeXT about this during expo and they indicated that something was in the works but it sounded more like 4.0 to me. >>The sooner the better. >Why the delay? Having glanced at the spec a couple of weeks ago, it looks as >though _minimal_ MIME conformance (the correct headers and bunging in a >section containing an ascii version of the text) is no more than a couple of >days work. Don't get me wrong I don't know anything for sure they were very non commital. There was no indication that it was around the corner or anything. David M. dmoffett@andi.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: enscript r option Message-ID: <1993Jun5.142335.27465@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 5 Jun 93 14:23:35 PDT Is there a fix to the "r" option of enscript that tells PS that the resulting output is really landscape. I often use enscript to produce 2up printing. When I preview the output, and I always have to tilt my head 90 degrees (not exactly ergonomical). /ivo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Re: NeXT in Germany Message-ID: <1993Jun5.131149.5549@cubx.com> Sender: news@cubx.com Organization: Cub'x Systemes - Rueil Malmaison, France. References: <1993Jun2.171618@aifh.ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 13:11:49 GMT In article <1993Jun2.171618@aifh.ed.ac.uk> dirkb@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Dirk Balfanz) writes: | Is there a NeXT office somewhere in Germany? If so, could a kind soul please | point it out to me? | | Along the same lines, are there some third party software developers (for | NEXTSTEP) in Germany, preferably Berlin? | | Thanks in advance. | | Dirk. There is no more really NeXT-Germany, but there is NeXT-Europe, based in the suburbs of Munich (Munchen), at Insmaning. And the NeXTteam there is working for Europe and Germany. Bernhard Woebker is VP of NeXT Europe. There is about 10-15 people there working with him. Their major target is: Build a Distributor Team in each country in Europe where there is no more local NeXT offices. NeXT Europe support them, manage them and so on. By example, here in France, about three Value Added Distributors are the NeXT Business force.... and of course, my firm let them have more power for teaching/demoing/servicing ;-) Cheers BB --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation -- Training Manager Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail] -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P($EN(&%R=&EC;&4@ M/#$Y.3-*=6XR+C$W,38Q.$!A:69H+F5D+F%C+G5K/B!D:7)K8D!A:69H+F5D M+F%C+G5K("A$:7)K($)A;&9A;GHI('=R:71E<SI<"GP@($ES('1H97)E(&$@ M3F585"!O9F9I8V4@<V]M97=H97)E(&EN($=E<FUA;GD_($EF('-O+"!C;W5L M9"!A(&MI;F0@<V]U;"!P;&5A<V5<"GP@('!O:6YT(&ET(&]U="!T;R!M93]< M"GP@(%P*?"`@06QO;F<@=&AE('-A;64@;&EN97,L(&%R92!T:&5R92!S;VUE M('1H:7)D('!A<G1Y('-O9G1W87)E(&1E=F5L;W!E<G,@*&9O<EP*?"`@3D58 M5%-415`I(&EN($=E<FUA;GDL('!R969E<F%B;'D@0F5R;&EN/UP*?"`@7`I\ M("!4:&%N:W,@:6X@861V86YC92Y<"GP@(%P*?"`@1&ER:RY<"EP*5&AE<F4@ M:7,@;F\@;6]R92!R96%L;'D@3F585"U'97)M86YY+"!B=70@=&AE<F4@:7,@ M3F585"U%=7)O<&4L(&)A<V5D(&EN('1H92!S=6)U<F)S(&]F($UU;FEC:"`H M375N8VAE;BDL(&%T($EN<VUA;FEN9RX@06YD('1H92!.95A4=&5A;2!T:&5R M92!I<PH@=V]R:VEN9R!F;W(@175R;W!E(&%N9"!'97)M86YY+EP*0F5R;FAA M<F0@5V]E8FME<B!I<R!64"!O9B!.95A4($5U<F]P92Y<"E1H97)E(&ES(&%B M;W5T(#$P+3$U('!E;W!L92!T:&5R92!W;W)K:6YG('=I=&@@:&EM+B!4:&5I M<B!M86IO<B!T87)G970@:7,Z($)U:6QD(&$@1&ES=')I8G5T;W(@5&5A;2!I M;B!E86-H(&-O=6YT<GD@:6X@175R;W!E('=H97)E('1H97)E(&ES(&YO(&UO M<F4@;&]C86P@3F585"!O9F9I8V5S+B!.95A4($5U<F]P92!S=7!P;W)T('1H M96TL(&UA;F%G92!T:&5M(&%N9"!S;R!O;BX*7`H*0GD@97AA;7!L92P@:&5R M92!I;B!&<F%N8V4L(&%B;W5T('1H<F5E(%9A;'5E($%D9&5D($1I<W1R:6)U M=&]R<R!A<F4@=&AE($YE6%0@0G5S:6YE<W,@9F]R8V4N+BXN(&%N9"!O9B!C M;W5R<V4L(&UY(&9I<FT@;&5T('1H96T@:&%V92!M;W)E('!O=V5R(&9O<B!T M96%C:&EN9R]D96UO:6YG+W-E<G9I8VEN9R`[+2E<"EP*0VAE97)S7`I<"D)" M("`@7`I<"BTM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+5P*0G)U;F\@0G)O M='1I97(@+2T@4F5S<&]N<V%B;&4@1F]R;6%T:6]N("TM(%1R86EN:6YG($UA M;F%G97)<"E-O8VEE=&4@:6UP<F]V92!S82Q<"C0Q+30Q(&)I<RP@879E;G5E M(&1E(&PG175R;W!E("T@-S@Q-#`@5D5,25I9("T@1E)!3D-%7`I496P@.B`H M*S,S*2`H,2D@,S`@-S`@-C`@-38@("!&87@@.B`H*S,S*2`H,2D@,S`@-S`@ M.#D@,S9<"D4M;6%I;#H@8E]B<F]T=&EE<D!C=6)X+F-O;2`@+2T@6TYE6%1M )86EL75P*"GT* `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Subject: (we make the difference) Internet: pay per view? Message-ID: <1993Jun5.205226.1150@stone.com> Keywords: Internet Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 20:52:26 GMT The heart of the NeXT community was created by the Internet, and that's worth fighting for! I suggest that each of us send his/her own mail message regarding the Internet. The electronic addresses below are valid - Dr. Moret checked them. Followups belong in c.s,n.advocacy, I imagine > > Most of you are probably aware of a plan to limit free use of > INTERNET to "scientists" transmitting huge files and to start > charging for e-mail. Apparently, this is the result of private > telecommunications interests putting pressure on the National > Science Foundation. > > If this plan is realized, it will mean that the majority of the > approximately 15 million users of INTERNET will be cut off. > Sadly, this is occurring just when the potential of this network > was starting to be realized. > > Something must be DONE. We can not let private interests deprive > us of access to INTERNET. > > I suggest that all concerned users register their protest/concern > directly with Clinton and Gore via e-mail. Their e-mail address > have recently been posted and they are: > > Clinton= PRESIDENT@WHITEHOUSE.GOV > Gore = VICE.PRESIDENT@WHITEHOUSE.GOV > > In addition, I also suggest that we identify the office in the > NSF which is responsible for INTERNET and register electronic > protests with them. > > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated, especially in > locating the e-mail address for the office in the NSF. > > ******************************************************************* > * Carl H.A. Dassbach BITNET: DASSBACH@MTUS5 * > * Dept. of Social Sciences INTERNET:DASSBACH@MTUS5.CTS.MTU.EDU > * Michigan Technological Univ. PHONE: (906)487-2115 * > * Houghton, MI 49931 FAX: (906)487-2468 * > * U.S.A. * > ******************************************************************* > -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rjohnson@nemesis.mpr.ca (Robbin Johnson) Subject: Help Installing NeXTSTEP 486 Message-ID: <1993Jun5.232228.14903@mprgate.mpr.ca> Summary: A rookie installing 3.1 for Intel is in trouble Keywords: HELP, ASSISTANCE, AU SECOUR Sender: news@mprgate.mpr.ca Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., CANADA Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 23:22:28 GMT I have just received a copy of 3.1 and went to install it but things hang during "a number of technical messages". I have a clone 486 (Micronics VL-BUS motherboard) with 8MB/234MB(IDE), one 3 1/2" floppy, an Adaptec 1542B (the floppy IS disabled), a Microsloth 2-button serial mouse, an ATI UltraPro (2MB), and a 3COM 3C503/16 ethernet I/F. The CD-ROM is a Sun-repackaged Sony mechanism. The internal termination resistors are missing from the adaptec, but as can be seen below, this does not *appear* to interfere with that part of the install. I start up and boot the CD-ROM install disk: <blah blah blah - I typed this in manually and could not see any more than...> ISA bus Warning: Using internal backup device configuration tables PCPointer probe: mouseInit failure Registering: PCKeyboard0 Registering: PCPointer0 Adaptec controller at irq 11 Resetting SCSI Bus... Registering: sc0 sd0: SONY CD-ROM CDU-8012 3.0a Registering: sd0 at Target 0 LUN 0 at sc0 Registering sd0a sd0: Device Block Size: 512 bytes sd0: Device Capacity: 308 MB sd0: Disk Label: NEXTSTEP_3.1 Registering: sg0 at sc0 Registering: sg1 at sc0 Registering: sg2 at sc0 Registering: sg3 at sc0 Resetting SCSI Bus... Registering: hc0 IDE Drive 0 using MultiSector Mode Registering: hd0 Registering: hd0a <And then it just hangs!!!!!!!><grrr!!!!!> ONCE, AND ONLY ONCE, it followed this sequence with (from scribbled notes) a bunch of "IDE timeouts" (three of them) and "diagError"'s. It appeared that the mini-kernel(?) was trying different IDE init sequences until it finally found one that worked and it then printed: hd0: No Valid Disk Label hd0: Device Block Size: 512 bytes hd0: Device Capacity: 234 MB (Registering: fc0 ???? I did not write the exact stuff down here) At which point it hung as surely as it had in the past at "Registering: hd0a". Does anyone know what is going on here? or willing to offer pointers? I realize that the 8MB is pretty slim (more is on the way) but I thought I should be able to install the s/w and get things going. Thanks to any and all willing to provide assistance... NB- Since I do not have NEXTSTEP running I cannot receive NeXTMail. -- Robbin W. Johnson rjohnson@mprgate.mpr.ca MPR Teltech Ltd. Advanced Technology/Broadband Communications
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: What about licensing for the Moto version of 3.1? Message-ID: <93Jun02.134504.37651@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 93 13:45:04 GMT References: <1ugbgq$7re@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> <1993Jun1.204040.5669@adobe.com> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > With the black hardware that extra rasterizing capability was > tied to the NeXT printers - that is, dumb printers with a > special connector that allowed them and only them to be at the > tail end of rasterization. What does the license say for black hardware? I'm assuming NeXT isn't going to charge me 3 ways to upgrade to 3.1 (user, developer, printer license) just to use my 400dpi printer! > Now, nobody figured you'd *want* to pump bits through a serial > port, and if you were that patient, it really wasn't worth > worrying about. Agreed. So why change it? You could specify in the license agreement that only dumb printers connected to the serial port are covered by the license. Again, I don't mind so much if this changes on the Intel box (it really is a new product subject to new rules), but what about the black stuff? How can NeXT ask people to PAY for an upgrade that gives them LESS functionality than their previous version? (And please, claiming that you can just not upgrade isn't going to cut it. NeXT isn't releasing their bug fixes in any other form and there are a number of backward incompatibilities in the 3.1 release). -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: (we make the difference) Internet: pay per view? Message-ID: <1993Jun6.010050.27053@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun5.205226.1150@stone.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 01:00:50 GMT CITE REFERENCES. Otherwise this is little better than the "modem tax" message that resurfaces every other year or so. The last thing we need is a flood of messages triggered by an unsubstantiated rumor--the whitehouse.gov addresses offer great promise, but I could easily see the "experiment" terminated because too many people abused it. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Let's get the FAQ going! Message-ID: <1993Jun6.020636.5918@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <50530@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 02:06:36 GMT In article <50530@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) writes: > Let's get the FAQ going! > > There are lots of things about NS3.0 and > beyond which are not in the old copy of the FAQ. There are already several (too many) FAQ files that I maintain, which I'll be posting in the announce group soon. I've been agonizing over how to reorganize then to reflect the new focus on NEXTSTEP/Intel, while keeping important information available for Real NeXT Users (tm) ;-) Sorry for the delay, to paraphrase NeXT, there's a question of allocation of personnel resources. -- Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dlw@netcom.com (David L. Williams) Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Message-ID: <dlwC86KEz.47o@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1uj49a$gt@obelix.tsg.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 03:30:34 GMT Matthew Whalen (whalenm@tsg.com) wrote: : In article <dlwC7z8on.8Mv@netcom.com> dlw@netcom.com (David L. Williams) : writes: : > Deskset, what crap...this is the 90s after all. : > : NeXT on my desk will. So I'm not so Sun is the evil you make the sound : like. Actually Matthew I don't think Sun is evil at all. My question is, with all the money they make, nee ~57000 copies of Solaris, AND hardware etc. you would think that they would/could write software with the elegance of NeXTSTEP. I mean Sun employs some VERY smart people and now they even have Bruce Tognazzini (ex Apple Visual Interface god). I mean look at the texteditor that comes with Deskset and compare it with NeXT's Edit.app. Then compare Sun's Desktop vs NeXT's Workspace Manager. I mean Sun doesn't even have floppies show up anywhere on their poor excuse for a desktop. Perhaps it is just that Sun's Enginering Market & Culture prevent it from constructing tools that would appeal to others outside that market. --David Williams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <tlm.739337028@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> <1993Jun4.073755.12532@relief.com> <dmoffett.739202617@nextsrv1> <1993Jun5.104941.14619@prim> <dmoffett.739283708@nextsrv1> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 03:23:48 GMT In <dmoffett.739283708@nextsrv1> dmoffett@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Moffett) writes: >dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >>In article <dmoffett.739202617@nextsrv1> dmoffett@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Moffett) writes: >>>I talk to NeXT about this during expo and they indicated that something was in the works but it sounded more like 4.0 to me. >>>The sooner the better. >>Why the delay? Having glanced at the spec a couple of weeks ago, it looks as >>though _minimal_ MIME conformance (the correct headers and bunging in a >>section containing an ascii version of the text) is no more than a couple of >>days work. >Don't get me wrong I don't know anything for sure they were very non commital. > There was no indication that it was around the corner or anything. This may have somthing to do with the fact that there are some third party products being considered which would supply NeXTmail/Mime/other features. Much like the Backspace controversy NeXT may be caught between wanting to implement something and not wanting to step on the toes of some ver good developers. Best if I don't say more about this until the formal third party announcements are made. TLM
From: bosborne@nature.BErkeley.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PC Mag. article Date: 6 Jun 1993 00:19:31 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9306060419.AA06133@nature.berkeley.edu.cnr-net> To c.s.n.m., The June 15 issue of PC Magazine is mostly concerned with OS's and interfaces for PC's (NT, Solaris, future OS's, etc.). Included within is a 2 page article on NeXTStep/Intel, with a nice color screenshot. The article is ENTIRELY favorable, without a single mention of Steve Jobs! It discusses OOP, NeXTMail, Project and Interface Builder, commercial applications (WP, Wingz, Illustrator, etc.), and the power and grace of NS. Words like "beautiful", "awe- inspiring", and "breathtaking" are used. Curiously, I didn't see any mention of price, though the authors note the OS only runs on 486's and up. Other machines are compared to "Volkswagens", stating there "will always be a market for ... Mercedes". ------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Osborne Plant Gene Expression Center bosborne@nature.berkeley.edu Albany CA USA ------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Sabit Cakmak) Subject: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <C86nsF.JEw@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 04:43:26 GMT Is there ever going to be a word processor on a NeXT that has baseline support? PasteUp2.0's word processing module appears to be the only program to support this. Why baselines? Try creating an equation using the very excellent Equation Builder and then drag and drop it into the middle of some text ( i.e. an in-line equation). Or just copy and paste as an EPS file. It simply won't work in the sense that the equation will end up in the wrong place. The NeXT is supposed to be easy to program. It has a great imaging model. It has bright people working on it. It is way ahead of its time... Then why on earth was I able to do this in-line thing years ago using Expressionist and Write Now on a Mac ( which uses " lowly" QuickDraw)? PasteUp2.0 will allow you to drag and drop a saved equation to the cursor, but as far as I can tell the spacing between lines doesn't recognize the fact that the equation is there...But at least it goes part way, and is a really nice application for its intended audience. It does appear that TeX/LaTeX/ TeX+EQB are the only solutions for preparing very mathematical articles on the NeXT ( apart from Framemaker, I suppose which I used to use and could rule out- but I'm not prepared to argue that point. Many people like FrameMaker. I'm not one.). Why isn't baseline support everywhere? Hasn't Adobe "officially" put that into the EPS specs? Scott Byers had something to say about that a few months ago. The issue seems to have gotten lost due to other events. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Date: 6 Jun 1993 06:03:14 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1us1b2$nph@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <C86nsF.JEw@utstat.toronto.edu> I've heard a new program from RightBrain may do Baseline support. It's called ExactlyWrite, which is file-compatible with WriteNow. I did not see it at the expo though. Anyway, contact info@rightbrain.com for further info. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tyf@ocf / tyfung@uclink / tyf@ucsee + berkeley.edu NeXTmail WANTED! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Help - Installing Sound card on Gateway Message-ID: <1993Jun6.061604.2159@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 06:16:04 GMT I'm trying to install a MediaVision (Pro Audio Spectrum 16) sound card on a Gateway (the Gateway2000-66V machine which is listed in the NeXT compatibility guide). I have successfully gotten (is that a word?) 3.1 to run without the sound card - so no problems in general with NeXTStep, just with the card. When I put the card in, using the provided install utility under DOS has some problems - I can't configure the DMA channel and Interrupt line (you do it via software that talks to the card rather than hardware jumpers) to what the NeXT configure.app shows as the only available combinations - I can get DMA channel 3 (ISA unfortunately limits to DMA channels <=4 for 8 bit), but I can't get interrupt line 7 or 15 (the only ones free as shown by configure.app) Consequently, I can't even get NeXTStep to boot with the card installed, I get "rdp exception something-or-other" which is real nasty, since it has to go through a fsck next time I boot it - kind of makes me lose my enthusiasm for experimenting, since each wrong guess results in about 10 minutes of rebooting the machine. Has anybody done this successfully (experience on a non-gateway as long as it is ISA and the same Sound card will probably be of value) Thanks in Advance, -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: How many alpha bits with NEXTSTEP/Intel 8-bit grayscale? Message-ID: <1993Jun6.065215.8189@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 06:52:15 GMT How many alpha bits with NEXTSTEP/Intel 8-bit grayscale? Is it 6 grayscale bits (64 levels) and 2 alpha bits? -- Nathan Janette Systems Manager, Axel T. Br nger Lab Internet: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Voice: 203 432 5065 Fax: 203 432 3923
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: Re: (we make the difference) Internet: pay per view? Message-ID: <1993Jun6.073334.20852@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jun6.010050.27053@csus.edu> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 07:33:34 GMT In article <1993Jun6.010050.27053@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > CITE REFERENCES. Otherwise this is little better than the "modem > tax" message that resurfaces every other year or so. The last > thing we need is a flood of messages triggered by an > unsubstantiated rumor--the whitehouse.gov addresses offer > great promise, but I could easily see the "experiment" terminated > because too many people abused it. > > -=EPS=- For those interested, there is an article in Science 1993, 260:1064-1065. -- Magnus Nordborg magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred) Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-5020 +1 (415) 723-4952 (office)
From: sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Nextstep 3.2? Date: 6 Jun 1993 07:55:29 GMT Organization: University of Oregon, Eugene, Oregon Message-ID: <1us7th$2gl@pith.uoregon.edu> I have been hearing about quite a few features that will be supported in the nextstep release 3.2 * 32 bit color (maybe) * better everything * 32 bit color (this is important!) so does anyone know when 32 bit color will come to the Next FIP I am seriously looking into a nextstep system however there are a few problems, or better, questions 1) when is 3.2 going to be released (approx.) 2) will it support 32 bit color? --------Steven McGrew sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu Please No Next Mail, not yet anyway!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,news.software.readers From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Trn 3.0 on NeXT 3.0 Message-ID: <1993Jun6.090737.19514@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Division of Information Technology, UW-Madison Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 09:07:37 GMT Just compiled trn 3.0 under NeXTstep 3.0, works like a champ. Just tell Configure that include libraries are in /usr/include/bsd, answer other things as appropriate for you, and away you go. Sure does work a lot faster than trn 2.2. Way to go, Wayne! In addition to ftp.uu.net, you can get trn 3.0 and mthreads 3.0 sources (now separate) from me at yak.macc.wisc.edu [144.92.30.18], directory pub/trn, files trn-3.0.tar.Z and mthreads-3.0.tar.Z. ftp.uu.net also has the gzip formats (*.gz), which are significantly smaller. We're in the process of bringing up INN on the nntp server, and from early tests with the old trn, it was also a lot faster than Cnews. I can hardly wait for the day when we have both going; seems I've spent a lot of time waiting for fetching, threading, and kill files to work. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [----------> The evil in men's minds is just that: in their minds. <----------]
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 32-bit Color for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun6.064216.958@imani.cam.org> Date: 6 Jun 93 06:42:16 GMT References: <1uqt1i$e29@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1uqt1i$e29@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: > I think the PCI bus that Apple plans to replace Nubus with may yield ^^^^^ PCI is Intel's baby. Apple announced support for it. Just as some PC vendors have. > an answer with regard to 32-bit color especially since the PC industry > is adopting it as well. I am very interested in the PCI bus. > Can someone explain how (or if) it could be implemented with > NEXTSTEP and when this implementation is expected? > > maurices > > Just thought I'd put in my 0.0247$ CAN (_before_ taxes) Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Jun5.104941.14619@prim> <dmoffett.739283708@nextsrv1> <tlm.739337028@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 09:29:11 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun6.092911.5030@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <tlm.739337028@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: >This may have somthing to do with the fact that there are some third party >products being considered which would supply NeXTmail/Mime/other features. >Much like the Backspace controversy NeXT may be caught between wanting to >implement something and not wanting to step on the toes of some ver >good developers. Now that NeXT are a software-only company, does the level-playing field idea still apply? Or are they now competing in the same arena as the rest of us? A while back a summary was posted of the software areas that NeXT would now be targeting and I'm sure one of them said something like "Group productivity apps (eg NeXT Mail)". >Best if I don't say more about this until the formal third >party announcements are made. No need to be overly cautious. Mark Chamberlain of Xexos told us a while back of the Mail app they were developing. Dave Griffiths
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Wanted: NeXTSTEP 3.1 screenshots Message-ID: <87939@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 6 Jun 93 08:09:35 GMT Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie Would someone please email me a screenshot or two of their NS3.1 Workspace Manager in pict, tiff, or gif format? I opted for a "temporary" Macintosh over Black Hardware or a PC (waiting for NS on PPC) and would like to use an image of the Workspace Manager as my Macintosh desktop picture. One shot of just the WSM with some interesting apps in the dock and no windows open would be nice and a second picture with the file browser open to /NeXTDeveloper/demos in icon view centered on the screen would be nice. If you feel up to it some other shots... maybe one with the WSM info window open and centered would be nice or better yet one with the SJ "Welcome to the NeXT World" mail message open and centered. Gifs would probably be easiest to avoid file conversion/compaction problems but binhexed pict would be preferable. Either color or greyscale will do. Thank you ever so much for the effort. If the images are particularly varied and stunning I might even send you a copy of NS 1.0 on optical disk in thanks. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Message-ID: <1993Jun6.065538.1081@imani.cam.org> Date: 6 Jun 93 06:55:38 GMT References: <m11rv9INNmu@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <m11rv9INNmu@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > In article <1993Jun4.114504.3552@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > >Does that number include upgrades for old machines? (i.e. Solaris for SPARC) > > Yes...it also includes non-SMCC SPARC machines, i.e. all the SPARC clones. > Also, SunSoft owns Interactive, and those numbers are not in the above. > > > >Also, how many of those copies were bought by people who bought new Sun harware? > > ~56,000...see above. > So, What these numbers say is that Sun sold a lot of software to people who had no choice (if they wanted to upgrade or, for new equipment, even run their machine) but to buy that particular software? Now this compares to the Zillions of DOS upgrades Microsoft sells when it needs petty cash DR-DOS notwithstanding), but not to NeXTSTEP/intel, NT, UnixWare or even Solaris/intel. > >Doesn't Sun Micro ask you to buy Solaris from SunSoft now? > > Not at all. In fact, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation Sales Reps > will be able to sell Solaris for Intel, as will ~2,000 resellers and > numerous systems vendors. Well, what I meant was: Doesn't Sun sell a separate licence for the software? Recent reviews of Sun hardware seem confusing to me on that point. > > >Thanks for the clarifications > > no problemo Well, true (and thank you), but still not _that_ clearo! ;8^>> > > ---todd > > -- > Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, > Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation > toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that> > Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) Subject: Re: Assembly language under NeXTSTEP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <1993Jun5.172740.2816@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Agnus' Home, Leonberg/Warmbronn, Germany References: <1993May29.214706.13627@pencom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 17:27:40 GMT Ricardo Parada (ricardo@batcave) wrote: > No one writes in assembly language under NEXTSTEP!! I think ExactlyWrite is > compatible with WriteNow and it runs on NEXTSTEP/Intel. How can you know this? Did you ask all NeXT users? To show your statement is incorrect: In our application "ModPlayer", we used the original Amiga assembly source code to support the decompression of modules, packed with "PowerPacker". Of course, noone will start a new project in assembly language, but it is possible. Matthias -- ** Matthias Zepf, Riegelaeckerstrasse 27, 71 229 Leonberg, Germany ** ** +49 7152 41917 Email: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (use NeXTmail!) **
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NWE NOIR auction [was: A B I G Apology to attendees of my BOF at N.W. Expo.] Date: 6 Jun 1993 07:37:44 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Message-ID: <1usof6$9bv@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Jun3.051335.1962@das.harvard.edu> <1993Jun4.031321.13833@venice.sedd.trw.com> <1993Jun4.055906.18759@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: >Top five money makers for NOIR: <lots of great stuff deleted> Were there any black wood lounge chairs? They are the kind you might find at the beach, or on a cruise ship deck- reclines and the seat is made of black canvas with a little pillow sewn in. All black, with a white NeXT logo on the seat. Just curious how much such a thing is worth. (I have one- I have absolutely no idea how many of them are out there) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois Computing & Comm Services Office System Administrator Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: tan@cs.wisc.edu (C.K. Tan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Academic Bundle or Evaluation Kit?? Message-ID: <TAN.93Jun3222835@moccasin.cs.wisc.edu> Date: 4 Jun 93 04:28:35 GMT Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept. Could someone tell me what's included in the two packages? I need to decide which to get. Thanks,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <tlm.739382058@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <C86nsF.JEw@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 15:54:18 GMT In <C86nsF.JEw@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Sabit Cakmak) writes: Sabit Cakmak??? Are you traveling incognito Philip? >Is there ever going to be a word processor on a NeXT that has baseline >support? PasteUp2.0's word processing module appears to be the only >program to support this. > >Why baselines? Try creating an equation using the very excellent Equation >Builder and then drag and drop it into the middle of some text ( i.e. an >in-line equation). Or just copy and paste as an EPS file. It simply won't >work in the sense that the equation will end up in the wrong place. > <<trimmed>> and from a follow-up: >From: tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung)>Subject: Re: Baseline Support? > I've heard a new program from RightBrain may do Baseline support. >It's called ExactlyWrite, which is file-compatible with WriteNow. I did not >see it at the expo though. Anyway, contact info@rightbrain.com for further At NWE I had a short talk with Glenn Reid. After complimenting him on his suit (great suit, but he looked a tad uncomfortable being in one :) I stressed to him the value of supporting the baseline. He seemed unwilling at first, citing the fact that the new WP is using the basic Text Object which does not support the baselne (PasteUp has its own text object). I was fairly persistent, and pointed out to him quite strongly that there was no danger a TeX-o-phile liek me needed such a feature, but that lots of other people did and it could be a boon to the community (and a selling point for his app). By the end of the discussion he was at least thinking about it strongly. Then I headed across the room and ran into Erik Sowa (another TeXie and complete Emacs zealot :) and the conversation, verbatim, was, ME: "Oh, I ran into Glenn Reid" ES: "Did you tell him to support the baseline?" so clearly there are a few of us who know this is an issue. EqB is easily the nicest such application I've ever seen (Expressionist and MathType on the Mac are pale shadows in comparison) and it's a shame no WP on the NeXT supports it properly. I think, especially with the advent of NS486, that the first WP that does so could be a big winner (as an academic, I know lots of people for whom TeX/Frame are overkill, complete with steep learning curve, but WriteNow, WordPerfect, etc. are inadequate). Glenn seems to follow these groups pretty well and I encourage anyone who would be interested in him supporting the baselne to say so either here or by E-mail to RightBrain. I really have the impression that if there's a true sign of demand he'll make the effort to support it. >It does appear that TeX/LaTeX/ TeX+EQB are the only solutions for preparing >very mathematical articles on the NeXT ( apart from Framemaker, I suppose >which I used to use and could rule out- but I'm not prepared to argue that >point. Many people like FrameMaker. I'm not one.). > Couldn't have said it better myself :) TLM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: Academic Bundle or Evaluation Kit?? Message-ID: <1993Jun04.201713.8619@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 93 20:17:13 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <TAN.93Jun3222835@moccasin.cs.wisc.edu> Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc In article <TAN.93Jun3222835@moccasin.cs.wisc.edu> tan@cs.wisc.edu (C.K. Tan) writes: > Could someone tell me what's included in the two packages? I > need to decide which to get. Thanks, The software is the same but the Eval. Kit does not have a free upgrade to 3.2 and the Edu. kit can not be used for commercial work. The Edu kit has docs only on line while the Eval Kit comes with S & M STEP 1, and a cupon for the Dev. books. -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: 6 Jun 1993 11:49:34 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1ute7u$4sk@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <1993Jun1.175658.390@FreemanSoft.com> In article <1993Jun1.175658.390@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) writes: :In article <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen :B) writes: :> In article <1993Jun1.013452.2832@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com :(Joe :> Freeman) writes: :> > In article <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> :dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com :> > (Matthew Dillon) writes: :> > > The 3.1 license says the following: :> > > WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS? :> :>.... :> Cut him some slack. NeXT has basically told him where to stick his :> HP printer. I wouldn't be happy about that. In fact, I'm not :> directly in his situation, and I'm already irate. : :No, I will not. That kind of presentation very rarely gets listened too. :Many times any one in a position of power will think something to the :effect. "Look its an edu person who has no idea what makes a company :really run.". (Stoke up them flames) Mr. Freeman, take a look at my machine name again. I, for one, do not see a .EDU there. In fact, I see two addresses... a .COM address (for business), and a .US address (for personal), though currently both MX records point to the same place :-). Please be more attentive before you respond in such a fashion. -Matt :-- :Joe Freeman :FreemanSoft Inc. :Joe@FreemanSoft.com :919.783.7033 Matthew Dillon dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way dillon@overload.berkeley.ca.us Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000 [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: A Time for Reflection Date: 6 Jun 1993 18:51:17 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1uteb5$9av@hermes.athena.com> Hello, It's a week after the Expo. It's four months after NeXT left the hardware business. It's time to look at what NeXT promised, what NeXT has delivered, and make some better predictions as to what will happen. The Expo was a success. It was not a great success, but it was a success. The company that ran the Expo did a terrible job. Everything from the keynote (bad audio, too small of an auditorium) to getting equipment to exhibitors was botched. There was not enough media about the event outside of the NeXT community. All of these problems can be laid at the doorstep of DCI, the company that ran the Expo. For some unknown reason, NeXT did not let IDG (the company that ran the first Expo and the company that owns NeXTWORLD magazine) run the Expo. I expect that NeXT will not make that mistake again. The Expo achieved some important goals. First, it demonstrated to current and prospective customers (those that have been actively looking at NEXTSTEP) that there is solid and innovative third party support for NEXTSTEP. It also demonstrated that NeXT could get NS/Intel out the door in the stated time-frame. This was in stark contrast to Microsoft and the NT postponement. There was a lot of really cool stuff on the floor of expo and a number of people who visited the Athena Design booth remarked that they were unaware of the plethora of available NEXTSTEP software. Many folks were surprised that the Intel ports were as easy as NeXT claimed that they would be. NeXT's largest customers have been reassured that NEXTSTEP is a viable growing operating environment. Keeping these folks in the fold was key and NeXT has succeeded. The HP announcement was also important. It demonstrated that NeXT in not simply going to slug it out in the Intel arena, but move to be the most powerful operating environment available on any popular workstation-class machine. It will demonstrate the portability of NEXTSTEP and also of the third party apps. Other important ports will be very simple after this. I expect that the turn-around time for a port will drop from one year to about 6 months after the HP port. Meanwhile, NT is stuck on little-endian machines. From a non-technical standpoint, the HP announcement was important in that NeXT has two of the three most important CPU manufacturers in their corner. This sends a good signal to potential purchasers who are worried that the only companies that are alining with Microsoft are Digital and MIPS. When was the last time Andy Grove was on stage with Bill Gates and strongly promoting Microsoft? Meanwhile, SUN has no allies and does not seem to have the resources to fight a hardware battle against HP, Intel, MIPS, and IBM, nor to they have the resources (or product for that matter) to fight a battle in the Operating Environment arena. Sun will be acquired or suffer the same fate as Wang within 5 years unless they do something. I digress. NeXT promised us a series of announcements and good press for the two months leading up to the Expo. NeXT dropped the ball. Part of the reason was their PR firm, Allison Thomas. NeXT has fired Allison Thomas. This move was at least a year late. Time will tell how the new PR people do. It cannot be worse the ATA, but I hope that it's significantly better. The $299 NEXTSTEP Developer trial special is a really good idea. It should be extended indefinitely (limit 2 per organization). This is a great way to spread the realization about NEXTSTEP around. It's a great way to get NEXTSTEP into more hands. It's a great way to get NEXTSTEP in the back door. Some of the best NEXTSTEP programmers have come out of colleges that had NeXT machines. Now anybody with the inclination and a descent PC can be the next Bill Bumgarner or Jason Adams. If there's a limit to the number of copies of NEXTSTEP an organization can buy, it will not cannibalize NeXT's large site corporate sales. The real issue, though, comes back to NeXT's traditional weakness: marketing and sales. There is good news. NeXT has a new marketing VP. His name is Warren Weiss. He likes plans. This is not only a good this, but something rare at NeXT. NeXT's best sales people now head the Chicago and New York offices. I sincerely hope that NeXT can distill whatever these folks have and make the rest of the sales force drink it. Some things for everyone at NeXT to keep in mind: don't over-promise and under-deliver. NEXTSTEP is a great enabling technology, but it will not triple programmer productivity overnight and not any monkey can become a NEXTSTEP programmer. It takes six to nine months for a traditional programmer to become proficient on NEXTSTEP. Organizations that have not seen instant productivity gains have felt that they have been sold a bill of goods. You also need good programmers. NeXT seems to gloss over this point in their sales and marketing literature. NEXTSTEP allows a 2 to 10 times productivity gain over Windows and Mac programming for an good and experienced programmer, but there is an investment in finding a good programmer and there is a learning curve. NEXTSTEP is like a good pair of skis. It will let a great skier win gold medals, but a bad skier is still going to fall on his or her face. A realistic and consistent marketing message will do a lot more good over the medium and long term. Enough of Dave's Marketing 101. So, I've spent time reflecting. I've seen NeXT get NS/Intel out the door on schedule. I've seen people stunned that porting apps is so easy. I've seen NeXT partner with HP. I've seen Steve Jobs acting more mellow and humble. I've seen NEXTSTEP customers comfortable with NeXT's move. I've seen NeXT make a bright decision in firing their PR firm. I am reassured. I will be truly comfortable when I see the same marketing message on January 1 that I see today. I will relax when I see NeXT hire more quality sales people and train them and manage them properly. I will celebrate when NeXT sells their 100,000th copy of NEXTSTEP. Meanwhile, we at Athena Design are very happy. We won NeXTWORLD's Best of Breed award. Our sales have been sky-rocketing. Our staff is growing. We are having the time of our life. I look forward to my 100,000th NS sale celebration. Thanks for your time. David
From: choong@panix.com (Choong Seow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ET4000AX support for NeXTStep 486 Date: 6 Jun 1993 15:54:36 -0400 Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1uti1s$oln@sun.Panix.Com> In the NeXTStep Hardware Compatibility Guide, 2-bit grayscale support for cards based on the ET4000AX chipset is mentioned, but no specific names are given. Does anyone know if the Diamond SpeedSTAR and the Orchid ProDesigner II/IIs (ET4000AX chips) have been tested and found to work with NeXTSTEP 486 in 1024X768 ? thanks, Choong Seow
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rjohnson@nemesis.mpr.ca (Robbin Johnson) Subject: Re: Help Installing NeXTSTEP 486 Message-ID: <1993Jun6.203805.22665@mprgate.mpr.ca> Sender: news@mprgate.mpr.ca Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., CANADA References: <1993Jun5.232228.14903@mprgate.mpr.ca> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 20:38:05 GMT Robbin Johnson (rjohnson@nemesis.mpr.ca) wrote: : I have just received a copy of 3.1 and went to install it but things hang : during "a number of technical messages". Well, after MANY hours of fiddling and conversing with my oiji (sp?) board, I THINK I HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM! (It is amazing what a good night's sleep can accomplish!) Here is how to get around this kernel wedging problem: Follow the instructions in the install guide. Boot up the machine but AS SOON as the BIOS recognizes the CD-ROM and installs it as D:, eject the CD. Allow the mini-kernel to start-up and AFTER the kernel fails to find a SCSI disk (i.e. CD-ROM - it tries for about 10 seconds) the kernel will start to perform its SECOND "Resetting SCSI bus...", at which point you IMMEDIATELY insert the CD-ROM into the drive WHILE the reset is underway. The kernel will recognize and configure in the CD-ROM and then proceed to the IDE hard disk and the floppy drive. Things will then proceed "as they should". You WILL have to repeat this process when the system asks you to eject the floppy and reboots itself. I would assume (although I have not gotten there yet) any time you attempt to start-up the hardware you CAN NOT have a CD-ROM in the drive and spinning. My guess is that the system will wedge in the same manner as I have seen it happen to me. I am only 21% through the software install process so I will have no way of testing this for a couple of more hours. :-) -- Robbin W. Johnson rjohnson@mprgate.mpr.ca MPR Teltech Ltd. Advanced Technology/Broadband Communications
Control: cancel <HERRING.93Jun6222948@fermat.iesd.auc.dk> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: herring@iesd.auc.dk (B. Erickson Herring) Subject: cancel <HERRING.93Jun6222948@fermat.iesd.auc.dk> Message-ID: <HERRING.93Jun6223637@fermat.iesd.auc.dk> Sender: news@iesd.auc.dk (UseNet News) Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University Date: 06 Jun 1993 21:36:37 GMT -- ----- Erick Herring | Computation is the art of carefully throwing H Data, Aalborg | away information [and] Life is the art of UNIX Consulting | carefully throwing away opportunities, an SysAdmin & Programming | interesting coincidental parallel. herring@iesd.auc.dk | - Guy L. Steele Jr.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jayson@millennium.com (Jayson Adams) Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Message-ID: <1993Jun6.193209.3023@millennium.com> Keywords: Sun is going down! Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. References: <dlwC86KEz.47o@netcom.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 19:32:09 GMT In article <dlwC86KEz.47o@netcom.com> dlw@netcom.com (David L. Williams) writes: > : > Deskset, what crap...this is the 90s after all. ... > Actually Matthew I don't think Sun is evil at all. My question is, with > all the money they make, nee ~57000 copies of Solaris, AND hardware etc. > you would think that they would/could write software with the > elegance of NeXTSTEP. I mean Sun ... now they even have Bruce Tognazzini > (ex Apple Visual Interface god). Don't forget Bud Tribble :-) > I mean look at the texteditor that comes with Deskset and compare it > with NeXT's Edit.app. Then compare Sun's Desktop vs NeXT's Workspace > Manager. I mean Sun doesn't even have floppies show up anywhere on their > poor excuse for a desktop. > The problem is that Sun is a hardware company trying to do software. They have the wrong culture for creating software anyone would want to use. __jayson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: Is 3.1 worth it? Message-ID: <1993Jun06.220451.19212@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 93 22:04:51 GMT References: <1993Jun3.195751.10787@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Organization: Cal Poly, SLO > So, is there any reason for me to update to 3.1? New features? New > applications? Less bugs? More speed? Cross-Compiling Multi-Architecture Binaries New Header Viewer Fewer bugs 10%-15% speed increase Free 3.2 upgrade There's more but those are the biggies -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: 32-bit Color for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun06.230010.19936@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 93 23:00:10 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1uqt1i$e29@spock.dis.cccd.edu> In article <1uqt1i$e29@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: > I think the PCI bus that Apple plans to replace Nubus with may yield > an answer with regard to 32-bit color especially since the PC industry > is adopting it as well. I am very interested in the PCI bus. > Can someone explain how (or if) it could be implemented with > NEXTSTEP and when this implementation is expected? > > maurices > I think you have got things mixed up (but it always could be me). PCI is Intel's answer to Local Bus, basically it is a board wide Local Bus (all slots are local). I haven't heard that Apple is going to pick this up (but I haven't heard that they arn't either). What I did hear is that Apple is working on a new bus system of its own (I think it is called turn-key or something). All NeXT would have to do is write a driver to use a PCI device just as they do for Local, ISA, and EISA busses. In fact I think they already have some because somewhere in the Hardware Compatibility guide it mentions PCI. Hope that helps, and if i'm confused please unconfuse me :) -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: 32-bit Color for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun06.230316.20014@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 93 23:03:16 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <36840@castle.ed.ac.uk> In article <36840@castle.ed.ac.uk> dirkb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Dirk Balfanz) writes: > > As I understand a 32-bit color imaging model is planned for a "future > release" of NS/FIP. My question is how this may affect the choice of > graphics hardware I buy today (assuming I want to have a NS machine now > but also want to be able to upgrade to that "future release" and take full > advantage of true color + 8 bit transparency). > > As for add-on VLB (or EISA) cards, will I need more VRAM than the current > 2MB? If so, can I simply plug in more RAM or will I need to buy a new > card? Or will I need to buy a new card for other reasons (e.g. bus width)? > Or will they work just fine? > > And what about on-board graphics hardware such as JAWS (in Dell machines) > or Wingine (in Epson) machines? Will they be able to handle the 32-bit > color imaging model without a change? > > Dirk. > > P.S.: Which "future release" do they mean? 3.2? 7.0? I think that the software support is already there but the hardware to pull it off doesn't exist. From what I understand the biggest problem is RAM, current cards don't have enough. I heard that the ATI knows how to access up to 4 MB but there is no where to put it on the card. so basically you will have to buy a new card to get 32 bit color. -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Date: 6 Jun 1993 23:33:31 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m14vmbINN34b@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <1uteb5$9av@hermes.athena.com> In article <1uteb5$9av@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: >Microsoft? Meanwhile, SUN has no allies and does not seem to have the >resources to fight a hardware battle against HP, Intel, MIPS, and IBM, nor to >they have the resources (or product for that matter) to fight a battle in the >Operating Environment arena. Sun will be acquired or suffer the same fate as >Wang within 5 years unless they do something. I digress. I'm sorry but I really have to chime in here... Next proponents need to make the distinction between observation and wishful thinking. That's a constant problem I've noticed in the couple of weeks I've subscribed to these NeXT newsgroups, and in the emails (many quite rude, BTW...some with open minds) I've received. Aside from technology, NeXT's greatest asset are its proponents. They're also NeXT's greatest detractor. Consider that there are ~100 million computers out there. NeXT-capable systems will cost $4K+ and are not likely to be a customer's first computer. You can't continue to take the attitude that "You chose a different computer, so you're wrong, sucker!"...Heterogenous computing isn't just a technical matter...it's integrating with other computers, not telling people to throw them away. Now, I have to address the specifics in the above post. As for allies, there are numerous SPARC chip makers, dozens of SPARC compatible vendors, dozens of Solaris/Intel system providers, thousands of Resellers, for SPARCsystems as well as Solaris/Intel, COSE, UNIX International, and hundreds of vendors who resell Sun technology such as NFS (including NeXT). BTW, more SPARC clones were sold than NeXTs each year NeXTs were sold. As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far...#1 RISC, #1 UNIX, #1 workstations, #1 MP...and approaching monopolistic market share. $1 billion cash in the bank. Fortune 135 or so, and fastest growing company in Fortune 1000 for the past 5 years or so. SunSoft also owns Interactive, btw, and Solaris/Intel, and Wabi are all doing great. Bottom line, just try to separate any 'wishful thinking' from realistic observations and facts about how companies are doing. It'll give you a lot more credibility. Hopefully, 'nuff said on that. Don't flame me...or at least think about it first, reflect, and then send me email, 'cuz I won't be reading these newsgroups anymore. ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: Academic Bundle or Evaluation Kit?? Message-ID: <1993Jun5.163811.6686@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <TAN.93Jun3222835@moccasin.cs.wisc.edu> Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 16:38:11 GMT In article <TAN.93Jun3222835@moccasin.cs.wisc.edu> tan@cs.wisc.edu (C.K. Tan) writes: > Could someone tell me what's included in the two packages? I > need to decide which to get. Thanks, The Evaluation Kit doesn't include a free upgrade to 3.2. OK, but what will the price of 3.2 then be? What about the upgrade to 4.0? Will the purchaser of the Evaluation kit be asked to pay full price, or will one qualify for the standard upgrade discount? Thanks. Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Date: 6 Jun 1993 23:43:13 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m1508hINN34n@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <m11rv9INNmu@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun6.065538.1081@imani.cam.org> In article <1993Jun6.065538.1081@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: >So, What these numbers say is that Sun sold a lot of software to people who had no >choice (if they wanted to upgrade or, for new equipment, even run their machine) >but to buy that particular software? I'm not sure what you're asking...Solaris/Intel was only announced March 29th. The numbers above were for Q1, so they only apply to SPARC systems, from Sun or other SPARC vendors. More than 50,000 bought them without hardware...feel free to send me email w/ any more questions. >> >Doesn't Sun Micro ask you to buy Solaris from SunSoft now? >> >> Not at all. In fact, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation Sales Reps >> will be able to sell Solaris for Intel, as will ~2,000 resellers and >> numerous systems vendors. > >Well, what I meant was: Doesn't Sun sell a separate licence for the software? >Recent reviews of Sun hardware seem confusing to me on that point. You buy everything from your current Sun salesperson or reseller, or SunExpress...i.e. you don't need to go to SunSoft. Sun desktops include licenses for two users...a server license is extra. If you buy Intel machines, yes, you'd need a license...the Solaris CD media is only about $50. ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: dlw@netcom.com (David L. Williams) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <dlwC886DI.CLD@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <m14vmbINN34b@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 00:22:30 GMT Todd Bernhard (toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM) wrote: : As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far...#1 RISC, #1 UNIX, : #1 workstations, #1 MP...and approaching monopolistic market share. : $1 billion cash in the bank. Fortune 135 or so, and fastest growing : company in Fortune 1000 for the past 5 years or so. SunSoft also owns : Interactive, btw, and Solaris/Intel, and Wabi are all doing great. I thought HP was #1 in total sales of Unix systems sold? : Bottom line, just try to separate any 'wishful thinking' from realistic : observations and facts about how companies are doing. It'll give you : a lot more credibility. I don't think this is 'wishful thinking' on anyones part. More it is from observations about Sun's product offerings and their competitors. I think this comes from looking at the performance numbers of Suns machines vs the competitor they have the most to worry about, Hewlett Packard. It comes from looking at the marketshare that MicroSoft has and just what they will end up doing once they get NT et al out the door. Their marketshare is orders of magnitude greater than Sun or the other Unix vendors. I also don't think folks wish ill on Sun--most people would welcome a port of NeXTSTEP to SPARC platforms. It would give us another safe harbor from facing the ugly truth of NT. : Hopefully, 'nuff said on that. Don't flame me...or at least think : about it first, reflect, and then send me email, 'cuz I won't be : reading these newsgroups anymore. : ---todd : -- : Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Finally Todd, given you are an Evangelist after all I'd think you would be used to taking abuse. I mean I may insult Solaris and Deskset, but if Sun does not figure out how to transition from the engineering market to the mass desktop market it APPEARS they want, I don't see how they will fare in that arena. That is not to say that Sun cannot or will not continue to be a profitable firm, with reasonably competitive hardware. However the history of Sun was that they built faster and cheaper boxes than anyone else in their marketplace (Engineering/Scientific). The big boys do this nowdays as well, namely HP, IBM and even Digital with the Alpha. I think everyones expectation is that Sun would continue to want to be the fastest box kids on the block. Yet your companies product offerings have been unimpressive to many. Does that translate into lower sales for Sun? Obviously not...yet. But what is the differentiator that Sun will use in the future against its competitors? Fastest box in town? Largest installed base of software on the planet? Easiest to use and most productive environment on the planet? Or will Sun watch MicroSoft and Intel with the help of a horde of apps and hardware providers and channels relegate Sun to a profitable but niche market? David Williams
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.024955.10358@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <C86nsF.JEw@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 02:49:55 GMT Sabit Cakmak (who? really Philip McDunnough) writes > Is there ever going to be a word processor on a NeXT that > has baseline support? PasteUp2.0's word processing module > appears to be the only program to support this. I believe Pages will have Baseline support. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: Joseph R. Grace <JGrace@TetraSoft.com> Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <1993Jun7.030537.21272@tetrasoft.com> Sender: Joe@tetrasoft.com Organization: TetraSoft International References: <dlwC886DI.CLD@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 03:05:37 GMT In article <dlwC886DI.CLD@netcom.com> dlw@netcom.com (David L. Williams) writes: > Todd Bernhard (toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM) wrote: > > : As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far...#1 RISC, #1 UNIX, > : #1 workstations, #1 MP...and approaching monopolistic market share. > : $1 billion cash in the bank. Fortune 135 or so, and fastest growing > : company in Fortune 1000 for the past 5 years or so. SunSoft also owns > : Interactive, btw, and Solaris/Intel, and Wabi are all doing great. > > I thought HP was #1 in total sales of Unix systems sold? I believe the distinction is between units sold (SUN) versus $ sold (HP). Could be wrong tho' --- anybody have hard numbers? Cheers, = Joe = -- Joe Grace <JGrace@TetraSoft.com> (e-mail and NeXT-Mail accepted.) #include <StandardDisclaimer.h> TetraSoft International Business and Personal Productivity NeXTSTEP Apps.
From: starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What Hardware? Keywords: next intel configuration recommendation needed Message-ID: <0NhEsANKBh107h@tosh.UUCP> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 11:55:32 -0700 Organization: GO SUNS! Is there is a list of hardware recommended for running NeXTSTEP for Intel? Perhaps those of you running NSI could send me a description of what your configurations look like? john -- *** PHOENIX SUNS * 1993 WESTERN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS * PHOENIX SUNS ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: jayson@millennium.com (Jayson Adams) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <1993Jun7.033140.605@millennium.com> Keywords: S-U-N; k-e-y; m-o-u-s-e Sender: jayson@millennium.com Organization: Millennium Software Labs, Inc. Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 03:31:40 GMT In article <m14vmbINN34b@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far...#1 RISC, #1 > UNIX, > #1 workstations, #1 MP...and approaching monopolistic market share. > $1 billion cash in the bank. Fortune 135 or so, and fastest growing > company in Fortune 1000 for the past 5 years or so. SunSoft also owns > Interactive, btw, and Solaris/Intel, and Wabi are all doing great. Yeah, and dinosaurs once ruled the earth. > Bottom line, just try to separate any 'wishful thinking' from realistic > observations and facts about how companies are doing. It'll give you > a lot more credibility. Well, the wishful thinking and realistic observations have converged. There's not a whole lot of performance left to squeeze out of SPARC, so DEC and HP will eat you alive on the high-performance workstation side of the market. On the "personal workstation" side, the eventual low cost of Pentium machines, combined with all the operating systems available for them, will make it extremely difficult for Sparcstations to grab market share (watch for those layoffs as Sun tries to reduce margins). And, there's no compelling reason to buy Solaris. I think that just leaves you with First Person :-). __jayson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) Subject: Re: 32-bit Color for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun7.044548.13923@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine References: <1uqt1i$e29@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <1993Jun06.230010.19936@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 04:45:48 GMT In article <1993Jun06.230010.19936@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: >In article <1uqt1i$e29@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu >(Maurice Shihadi) writes: >> I think the PCI bus that Apple plans to replace Nubus with may yield >> an answer with regard to 32-bit color especially since the PC industry >> is adopting it as well. I am very interested in the PCI bus. >> Can someone explain how (or if) it could be implemented with >> NEXTSTEP and when this implementation is expected? >> >> maurices >> > >I think you have got things mixed up (but it always could be me). > >PCI is Intel's answer to Local Bus, basically it is a board wide Local Bus >(all slots are local). > >I haven't heard that Apple is going to pick this up (but I haven't heard that >they arn't either). What I did hear is that Apple is working on a new bus >system of its own (I think it is called turn-key or something). > >All NeXT would have to do is write a driver to use a PCI device just as they >do for Local, ISA, and EISA busses. In fact I think they already have some >because somewhere in the Hardware Compatibility guide it mentions PCI. > >Hope that helps, and if i'm confused please unconfuse me :) > > >-Mont > > NeXTmail OK :-) > President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) > mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu -- Yan-Fang Magnusson <yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu> Nuclear-powered philosophy student <Give me $20 or kill me>
From: da188@cs.city.ac.uk (A. Khattri) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: NeXTSTEP 3.1 screenshots Date: 7 Jun 1993 06:46:38 +0100 Organization: Computer Science Dept, City University, London Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uuknuINN8f9@fred.cs.city.ac.uk> References: <87939@ut-emx.uucp> In article <87939@ut-emx.uucp> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) writes: >Would someone please email me a screenshot or two of their NS3.1 Workspace >Manager in pict, tiff, or gif format? I opted for a "temporary" Macintosh over >Black Hardware or a PC (waiting for NS on PPC) and would like to use an image >of the Workspace Manager as my Macintosh desktop picture. One shot of just the >WSM with some interesting apps in the dock and no windows open would be nice >and a second picture with the file browser open to /NeXTDeveloper/demos in >icon view centered on the screen would be nice. If you feel up to it some >other shots... maybe one with the WSM info window open and centered would be >nice or better yet one with the SJ "Welcome to the NeXT World" mail message >open and centered. [...] Actually, Im also doing a project which includes a survey of popular file-browser/desktop type products and I would also love a few colour GIFs to illustrate my report of the NeXt in action. Aj. -- .-------------------------[ The Eno ]-------------------------------------. | "The trouble with New Age | JANET : da188@uk.ac.city | | music is that there's no | eno@uk.ac.city.cs | | evil in it.." - Brian Eno | US : da188%city.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu |
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New FAQ for Intel configurations Message-ID: <96.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 22:35:17 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Is there any interest in building a FAQ for Intel configurations, or possibly creating a new c.s.n group? I know I've run across various snags, as have others. With the number of configurations and the high cost of NeXT support, we could all benefit from sharing experiences and (hopefully!) solutions. I would be willing to collect a FAQ if there is interest. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Sabit Cakmak) Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <C88onu.HyB@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C86nsF.JEw@utstat.toronto.edu> <1us1b2$nph@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 06:57:30 GMT In article <1us1b2$nph@agate.berkeley.edu> tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) writes: > I've heard a new program from RightBrain may do Baseline support. >It's called ExactlyWrite, which is file-compatible with WriteNow. I did not >see it at the expo though. Anyway, contact info@rightbrain.com for further >info. As Glenn Reid will probably confirm, ExactlyWrite does not provide baseline support at this time. There does not appear to be a word processor available for the NeXT that does. I thought it was so easy to write applications for the NeXT? This baseline issue has been around for over a year. It is not acceptable that it hasn't been done. As I mentioned the DTP'ing program PasteUp2.0 does have support for this in text editing module, but there are other issues in that case ( great program though for those who need layout programs, etc...). -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Sabit Cakmak) Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <C88pGE.IG3@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C86nsF.JEw@utstat.toronto.edu> <1993Jun7.024955.10358@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 07:14:37 GMT In article <1993Jun7.024955.10358@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu writes: >Sabit Cakmak (who? really Philip McDunnough) writes >> Is there ever going to be a word processor on a NeXT that >> has baseline support? PasteUp2.0's word processing module >> appears to be the only program to support this. Due to the increase in mail I have had to go by different names. I believe I was Don Fraser last week. You ( and I?) can thank Unix. Wonderful OS if only it were to go away. > >I believe Pages will have Baseline support. Ok, I think you are very informed on NeXT issues and therefore most people would answer at most this. Have you tried Pages? Do you honestly believe that someone needs a full DTP'ing program in order to type a paper? PasteUp 2.0 also has baseline support. I still maintain what I said in my original article. EqB simply doesn't have a companion on the NeXT, except as a partial front-end to TeX. It's a great application looking for a word processor. Why the heck could Expressionist ( which is nowhere near as nice as EqB) + Write Now on the Mac get the baseline right years ago? Isn't the NeXT supposed to be easy to develop for? If it is then where is that simple word processor which will support in-line equations. It's a disgrace. I have great confidence in Glenn Reid finally coming to the rescue with this. I would like to know where everyone else is though. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: TickleServices "Open Regex..." Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Jun7030127@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 7 Jun 93 03:01:27 Distribution: world Organization: Is a sign of weakness Just had a TickleServices concept that I figured would be worth sharing. The basic idea is a service which allows you to open up a set of files as specified with a shell-style regular expression. So, for instance, you select a source directory, say "File/Open Regex...", and then enter *.h to open your .h files. I put this into File.ts. Later, --- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <I will not spin the turtle -Bart Simpson> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime! <C++: ... One Language to bring them all and in the darkness bind them> <In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.> "Menu Item" = "File/Open Regex..."; "Send Type" = "NXFilenamePboardType"; "Tcl" = "\ # Prompt the user for a shell-style regular expression, and open # matching files from the selected directory. # # Scott Hess # Monday June 7, 1993 # Use this code as you will set filename [lindex [filenames] 0] if {![file isdirectory $filename]} { set filename [file dirname $filename] } set files {} foreach file [promptpanel \"Open from `[file tail $filename]'\" \"*\"] { set files [concat $files [glob $filename/$file]] } if {$files!=\"\"} { eval [concat exec /usr/bin/open $files] } "; "Timeout" = "60000"; -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: 3.0 -> 3.1 upgrade for Black Hardware Message-ID: <1993Jun7.035639.29039@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <1993May28.190957.5583@znext.cts.com> <1993Jun1.191257.13106@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 03:56:39 GMT gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) writes: >In article <1993May28.190957.5583@znext.cts.com> zeke@znext.cts.com (james >dehnert) writes: >[munch] >> Shipping for 3.1 is slated for sometime next month ( late next month >> most likley ) >> >> +=/|\=+ James "Zeke" Dehnert zeke@znext.cts.com +=/|\=+ >Anyone want to conjecture on the advantages of upgrading black hardware to >3.1? The $100 pricetag is inconsequential to us, but the hassle of doing >the upgrade for a possible "no net gain" is of consequence to us. Well, it's probably not a question of no net gain. There are bug fixes, performance improvements, and the capability to build & run fat binaries. The latter is probably the most convincing point for anybody that runs shrink-wrapped apps; as vendors upgrade their products to 3.1, they may well break on 3.0. I've already seen demos of some that do. Also, any app that dynamically loads fat bundles won't work on 3.0, according to the 3.1 release notes. -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | easier to write and run faster, or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | too." -ad for OS/2 2.0
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: URGENT: Monitor is waving. What gives? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.045849.2576@imani.cam.org> Date: 7 Jun 93 04:58:49 GMT Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Hi [Sorry for cross-posting, but I'm panicking a bit here!] As the subject line says, my B/W monitor is waving i.e. vertical waves are going around, at about 2 mm intervals, for a few seconds, and then going away. It's been getting worse. What next? My system is a monochrome Cube that is runnning 24hrs for UUCp, but gets relatively little use these days. It's an old '030 system, so it's the old monitor. Thanks for _any_ help or pointers. Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 32-bit Color for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun7.053000.2832@imani.cam.org> Date: 7 Jun 93 05:30:00 GMT References: <1993Jun06.230010.19936@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1993Jun06.230010.19936@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) writes: > In article <1uqt1i$e29@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu > (Maurice Shihadi) writes: > > I think the PCI bus that Apple plans to replace Nubus with may yield > > an answer with regard to 32-bit color especially since the PC industry > > is adopting it as well. I am very interested in the PCI bus. > > Can someone explain how (or if) it could be implemented with > > NEXTSTEP and when this implementation is expected? > > > > maurices > > > > I think you have got things mixed up (but it always could be me). > > PCI is Intel's answer to Local Bus, basically it is a board wide Local Bus > (all slots are local). > > I haven't heard that Apple is going to pick this up (but I haven't heard that > they arn't either). What I did hear is that Apple is working on a new bus > system of its own (I think it is called turn-key or something). ^^^^^^^^ Try QuickRing. (from an issue of Byte Magazine wich talked about those. QuickRing is _not_ [i.e.could be PC'ized] Mac dedicated and should give 200 Megs/seconds [from memory, so don't flame here]) > > All NeXT would have to do is write a driver to use a PCI device just as they > do for Local, ISA, and EISA busses. In fact I think they already have some > because somewhere in the Hardware Compatibility guide it mentions PCI. > > Hope that helps, and if i'm confused please unconfuse me :) > > > -Mont > > NeXTmail OK :-) > President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) > mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) Subject: NeXT and non-PS printers Message-ID: <oorient.739449277@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Sender: news@ucc.su.OZ.AU Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 10:34:37 GMT Is it possible to use non-PostScript printers with NeXT,say, Canon bubble-jet? Piotr Palacz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Keywords: Sun is coming up! Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <dlwC86KEz.47o@netcom.com> <1993Jun6.193209.3023@millennium.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 08:34:25 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun7.083425.2367@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Jun6.193209.3023@millennium.com> jayson@millennium.com writes: >The problem is that Sun is a hardware company trying to do software. They >have the wrong culture for creating software anyone would want to use. Wasn't that the case with NeXT until just recently? ;-) Not sure it's a fair comment about Sun. A few years ago they were the amongst the leaders in Unix software. They invented NFS (which maybe proves your point :-), vnodes (OO in tne Unix kernel!), a postscript windowing system called News, Remote Procedure Calls, and much more. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.123312.25594@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Jun1.175658.390@FreemanSoft.com> <1ute7u$4sk@moonshot.west.oic.com> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 12:33:12 GMT In article <1ute7u$4sk@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: >In article <1993Jun1.175658.390@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe >Freeman) writes: >:In article <C7y1to.Hzt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen >:B) writes: >:> In article <1993Jun1.013452.2832@FreemanSoft.com> joe@FreemanSoft.com >:(Joe >:> Freeman) writes: >:> > In article <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> >:dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com >:> > (Matthew Dillon) writes: >:> > > The 3.1 license says the following: >:> > > WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT IS THIS? >:> >:>.... >:> Cut him some slack. NeXT has basically told him where to stick his >:> HP printer. I wouldn't be happy about that. In fact, I'm not >:> directly in his situation, and I'm already irate. >: >:No, I will not. That kind of presentation very rarely gets listened too. >:Many times any one in a position of power will think something to the >:effect. "Look its an edu person who has no idea what makes a company >:really run.". (Stoke up them flames) > > Mr. Freeman, take a look at my machine name again. I, for one, do >not see a .EDU there. In fact, I see two addresses... a .COM address (for >business), and a .US address (for personal), though currently both MX records >point to the same place :-). Please be more attentive before you respond >in such a fashion. You are absolutely right. I would like to apologize to all the folks on EDU accounts for lumping them in with you. Of course none of this changes my opinions on your presentation. Figure the data rate into NeXT is several times the bandwidth of the processors handling that data. Those processing units have to decide where to focus their cycles. (beyond a simple response) Generally the squeaky wheel will get some kind of response quickly. But, the customers that get proactivly asked questions in the future are those that supplied the most constructive feedback in the past. Note: a faulty news reader failed to post an earlier response. Please excuse any duplicate postings. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/I SCSI controllers (specifically Adaptec) Date: 7 Jun 1993 12:47:46 GMT Organization: Me Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1uvddi$i07@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1993Jun1.175658.390@FreemanSoft.com> <1ute7u$4sk@moonshot.west.oic.com> <1993Jun7.123312.25594@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> I downloaded the latest hardware compatibility guide from nextanswers, and was quite disappointed to learn that support for the Adaptec 1742 (EISA) SCSI controller is "planned for 3.2". Is it really true that this card will not work with 3.1? I had hoped that this card would be compatible enough with the 1542 that it would "just work" with 3.1. Does anybody know any details about this? Diana
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help !!!! Where is HSD? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.125929.12346@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 12:59:29 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <1unnfd$ce4@fermat.mayo.edu> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <1unnfd$ce4@fermat.mayo.edu> writes: > In article <thompsonC8360I.6sB@netcom.com> thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) > writes: > > >>What happened to HSD? > > >> > HSD-U.S. is in a state of flux. I talked with Dave Peter, formerly the > President of the US division, on the floor, and he has indeed left HSD for some > time off and a new job in San Diego. The other top tech at HSD (Kevin?) has > also left. > > Dave says the company will still exist in the U.S., but I can't remember if > people have been identified/hired to keep the shop going. Hey, wait a minute. This sounds like HSD is also present some other place. Anybody know where? I'd be VERY interested. -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch ( if all fails try frank@urz.unibas.ch )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: crespo@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com (Ivan Crespo) Subject: Re: NS/I SCSI controllers (specifically Adaptec) Sender: news@vcd.hp.com (News user) Message-ID: <CRESPO.93Jun7191223@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> In-Reply-To: bff@teal.csn.org's message of Mon, 7 Jun 1993 21:39:47 GMT Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 03:12:23 GMT Distribution: usa References: <1uvddi$i07@tamsun.tamu.edu> <C89tIC.KD4@csn.org> Organization: HP Vancouver Division Vancouver,WA > A local vendor loaned me a Vectra 66/U with that controller in it and I have > yet to have it do anything but hang with the NextStep floppy inserted. > > I certainly had hoped that it would work as well. I read a thread in > the NextForum on Compuserve where someone spoke with some reps at Adaptec > that the card should work just like a 1542 when in standard mode. > > When and if I get it working I will post the solution. No promises. I had the same problem, the Vectra I ordered came with a 1740 and I could not get it to work with NSI, so I had to borrow a 1542 and it worked like a charm... Now, if I could only get CDPlayer.App to work... Anyway, this NSI stuff is great! I just hope I can get a version of the Korn shell running on NSI... i. --
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection (Unix systems sold?) Date: 7 Jun 1993 23:45:58 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m17kpmINN7me@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <dlwC886DI.CLD@netcom.com> <1993Jun7.214526.4657@leland.Stanford.EDU> >Todd Bernhard (toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM) wrote: >As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far #1 UNIX [..] > >David L. Williams (dlw@netcom.com) writes: >I thought HP was #1 in total sales of Unix systems sold? hardly. see below...from International Data Corp, April 1993. Jobs referred to that at NeXTworld Expo, being careful to use the 'revenue' disclaimer, which includes HP Laserjets!!! On *system* revenue, the percentages are similar to below. 1992 UNIT SHIPMENTS VENDOR UNITS % OF UNITS ====== ======= ========== SUN 215,700 38.3 HP 96,300 17.1 DEC 67,956 12.1 IBM 41,355 7.3 and the rest are below 5%. ---todd (I know I said I'd unsubscribe, and I did, but I received several emails saying folks would miss my insight/point of view... so I'll give it another shot!) -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <2C1400B5.7048@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <1993Jun7.030537.21272@tetrasoft.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 93 03:00:05 GMT Todd Bernhard (toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM) wrote: > As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far...#1 RISC, #1 UNIX, > #1 workstations, #1 MP...and approaching monopolistic market share. > $1 billion cash in the bank. Fortune 135 or so, and fastest growing > company in Fortune 1000 for the past 5 years or so. SunSoft also owns > Interactive, btw, and Solaris/Intel, and Wabi are all doing great. I am stealing the quote. I hope I have it right. #1 RISC means what? 600,000 total RISC chips sold in systems in 1992. ~30,000,000 x86 chips sold in systems in 1992. Isn't saying #1 RISC sort of like NeXT last year saying they were #1 in "professional workstations". Carve the right niche with adjectives and you too can be #1. Sun is in deep doo doo. SPARC is trailing the RISC pack in performance and is being overtaken by Intel's monster that goes into the high volume world. The PowerPC looks like it too will catch SPARC. Sun's workstations are becoming very unattractive as desktop units. They are not going to win too many battles as servers or engineering/science workstations if they cannot do better. And Solaris remains unattractive unless you are in the market for Unix as the application. Sun cannot hope to compete with the dead-end software they are showing on other platforms. #1 RISC is a sorry niche to claim being on top of. #1 Unix is going to lose ... the Unix had better be very well hidden if you want out of the backrooms and the science/engineering ghettos. #1 workstations doesn't mean anything now - those 66MHz PCs and new Pentium boxes have practically everything most people ask for with a "workstation" (fast disks, big memory, fast display of 1M color pixels, crunch, ethernet). #1 MP means what? Is this a niche even smaller than RISC? I am ragging on Sun because they had things going so well up until 1986-88 timeframe, and then stagnated. No new glory for networking. No new concept of UI hiding Unix. No new concept for software development. No new hardware ideas. Getting overtaken on single-CPU station performance and not understanding why people buy DOS. (Hint: it ain't Windows, and it ain't the price). To see a U.S. company become driven by marketing hustlers instead of marketing-technology visionaries is sad.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: New FAQ for Intel configurations Message-ID: <1993Jun8.043942.23524@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <96.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 04:39:42 GMT In article <96.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: >Is there any interest in building a FAQ for Intel configurations, or >possibly creating a new c.s.n group? Boot to the head! >thwack!< Nathan Janette <laplace.csb.yale.edu> maintains the c.s.n FAQ files and has already announced that he is going to deal with this. Chill out, ok? [insert here Ob. weekly reminder that a new c.s.n group is inappropriate] -=EPS=-
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Nextstep 3.2? Message-ID: <41@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 8 Jun 93 04:39:22 GMT References: <1us7th$2gl@pith.uoregon.edu> Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. Hi I am getting the NeXTSTEP for Intel on the weekend. The CDROM is ordered but now I saw the hardware compatibility guide and I noticed that ny graphics card is not supported. My idea is , if I buy a new card I can add a new board. But : What card and which board are the best, repsectively the fastest for NS/FI? s3, ATI, Local Bus, EISA? And which board should I add? Local Bus, EISA, all of it........ Does anyone has experiences? I think ISA is not fast enough for NS/FI? kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de KAY SCHULZ
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: huots00@DMI.USherb.CA (SYLVAIN HUOT) Subject: NeXT PICTURES NEEDED !!! ******* Message-ID: <huots00.739515629@DMI.USherb.CA> Sender: usenet@DMI.USherb.CA (Pour courrier Usenet) Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 05:00:29 GMT I need some screen-shots (grab) of the NeXT interface and (optionnaly) some softwares running on NeXT. Is anyone can e-mail me one ore some images in IFF-ILBM format, or GIF, or PCX (or other if can't) ?? Or can somebody can e-mail (important, cause i need-it this week, and i can't read all messages) me where (ftp site) i can get them ?? Thank you everybody for taking time to read my message !!! Bye! _ _ // Sylvain Huot, \X/ InterNet : huots00@DMI.USherb.CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: (we make the difference) Internet: pay per view? Message-ID: <1993Jun8.052028.25122@csus.edu> Summary: Investing in the Future Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun5.205226.1150@stone.com> <1v0945$85f@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1v0fbbINN9ts@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 05:20:28 GMT The fallacy here is in believing that the NSFNET is _the_ Internet backbone. It was for a while--and could have been--but their policies regarding commercial traffic doomed it. Private alternatives sprung up, and interconnected with each other and with the regionals through CIXes. Several of the regionals are peered with each other as well. They agree to carry each other's traffic and don't nickel-and-dime each other they way phone companies do. The upshot of all this is that whatever NSFNET wants to do is largely irrelevant to the Internet as a whole. If they want to shoot themselves in the foot, that's their prerogative. We--the end users--don't connect directly to NSFNET. We're not *permitted* to--only other networks are. If NSFNET withers away and dies, it's their loss--it's their jobs that go away. I don't believe that public funding of a communications infrastructure is a bad thing--this is one of the areas where our federal government actually does well. What's next? Shut down the Interstate Highway System? Only let government researchers drive? While we're all crying in our beer about how our economy is on the rocks and U.S. competitiveness has gone down the tubes, let's face it--we did it to ourselves. Countries where government and industry see each other as partners rather than adversaries are going to stomp us into the ground. And there's no "quick fix"-- no tariffs, no trade barriers, no posturing by the White House-- that's going to get us out of this mess. It's not about anyone getting a "free ride," it's about all of us making it into the next century as something more than a backward "Third World" nation. What do you want? Quickie profits now for a few greedy slimeballs, or a better standard of living for all us later. The choice is yours. Write your legislators. [What this has to do with NeXT is beyond me.] -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: mouse going north (not south) Message-ID: <1993Jun8.052443.25367@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun7.220934.8036@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 05:24:43 GMT In article <1993Jun7.220934.8036@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: >The mouse is from a turbo station, less than a year old. Lately, it seems >the cursor often goes upwards on the screen, when I try dragging it >downwards. Opening it up, cleaning the ball and rollers doesn't seem to >improve matters. Nor does changing mousepads. Any suggestions? Probably cable damage. Be gentle with those mice--their tails won't withstand too much tugging and twisting. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: weiner@pts.mot.com (Bob Weiner) Subject: Re: Who invented RPCs? In-Reply-To: mdixon@parc.xerox.com's message of 07 Jun 1993 12: 30:58 EST To: mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) Message-ID: <WEINER.93Jun7185227@info.pts.mot.com> Sender: usenet@pts.mot.com Organization: Motorola Paging and Wireless Data Group References: <dlwC86KEz.47o@netcom.com> <1993Jun6.193209.3023@millennium.com> <1993Jun7.083425.2367@prim> <mdixon.739474258@thelonius> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 23:52:27 GMT In article <mdixon.739474258@thelonius> mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) writes: > > [Sun] invented NFS (which maybe proves your point :-), vnodes (OO in > > tne Unix kernel!), a postscript windowing system called News, Remote > > Procedure Calls, and much more. > > should have stopped while you were ahead... RPC was in use at PARC well > before Sun had even been formed. And I believe no one will deny that RPCs were invented and first used in the Augmentation Research Center at Stanford Research Institute in the 1960s. A good number of people left this lab and then moved to PARC, fertilizing it well. Contact the Bootstrap Institute in Fremont, CA for the definitive answer. Bob -- Bob Weiner, Motorola, 1500 NW 22nd Ave, MS-108, Boynton Beach, FL 33426-8753 Work: 407-364-2091 Fax: 407-364-3329 INTERNET: <bob_weiner@pts.mot.com> Mot X.400: <EBW002@email.corp.mot.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: robinson@nicmad.uucp (Dennis Robinson - Summer Intern) Subject: NeXT Step on other 68K machines? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.184710.23385@nicmad.uucp> Summary: Port to other 68k machines.. Organization: Nicolet Instrument Corp. Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 18:47:10 GMT I was sitting around thinking of the beauty of the NeXT step OS when I thought about some computer owners who'd love to own NeXT step and would definately open the market for it. I'm a PC clone user in the meantime but plan on adding Moto 68k based machine to the family. I have proposed that NeXT step should be ported to the following machines: Amiga '030 based and above Macintosh '030 and above (runs side by side with Mac OS somehow) HP Apollo '040 based machines i386 based suns (orphans nowadays) Maybe even 68k atari's
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: burchard@horizon.math.utah.edu (Paul Burchard) Subject: Re: seeking info on WAIS,inc. Message-ID: <C8AI6v.9F9@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <36990@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 06:31:44 GMT In article <36990@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz) writes: > looking for the e-mail address for WAIS,inc. and the phone number > for them. Thanks much! Here is the info I have: # Brewster Kahle WAIS Inc. # Brewster@Think.com 1040 Noel Drive # President Menlo Park, CA 94025 # Wide Area Information Servers 415-327-WAIS FAX 415-327-6513 -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Burchard <burchard@geom.umn.edu> ``I'm still learning how to count backwards from infinity...'' -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1040 Noel Drive # President Menlo Park, CA 94025 # Wide Area Information Servers 415-327-WAIS FAX 415-327-6513 -- ---------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NS/I SCSI controllers (specifically Adaptec) Message-ID: <1993Jun8.051654.7262@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1uvddi$i07@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 05:16:54 GMT In article <1uvddi$i07@tamsun.tamu.edu> lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) writes: > I downloaded the latest hardware compatibility guide from nextanswers, > and was quite disappointed to learn that support for the Adaptec 1742 > (EISA) SCSI controller is "planned for 3.2". Is it really true that > this card will not work with 3.1? Yes, it's true -- the 174x family SCSI host adapters from Adaptec do -not- work with NS/FIP 3.1 > I had hoped that this card would be compatible enough with the 1542 > that it would "just work" with 3.1. It should have just worked. However there is a bug in the 174x's emulation of the 1542 (i.e. "standard mode"). While the difference in firmware is slight, it's enough to trip up the 3.1 driver. NeXT discovered the bug in Adaptec's firmware too late to workaround it for the current release. > Does anybody know any details about this? Adaptec should -- a bug report was filed with them. If Adaptec makes new PROMs with updated 1742 firmware available, then you should be able to use the card with 3.1. Otherwise you'll have to wait until NS 3.2. You can register your disappointment by calling the Adaptec Tech Support Hotline at +1 408 945 2550. If the support engineer you speak with doesn't know about the problem, ask to speak to "Ken". If you want to use an EISA SCSI host adapter with 3.1 and Adaptec won't help you out, contact DPT or BusLogic. DPT can be reached at +1 407 830 5522 M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Taligent/PowerPC info Date: 8 Jun 1993 10:14:48 GMT Organization: OSF RI Grenoble Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v1oqo$3jo@paperboy.osf.org> References: <1uomd7$bcg@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jun5.105605.14681@prim> Keywords: Taligent,PowerPC,IBM,Apple In article <1993Jun5.105605.14681@prim>, dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: |> In article <1uomd7$bcg@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: |> >Our local IBM salesman gave a presentation on Taligent and PowerPC yesterday, |> >so I thought I'd pass along what he said: |> > |> >Initial PowerPC systems (based on the 601 chip) will ship January 1994, |> >with 603, 604, and 620 systems over the following year or so. Estimated |> >increase in power: 620 about 3 times the 601. |> > |> >The OS kernel is Mach 3, which is object-oriented. Quoth he, "NeXTSTEP is |> >object-oriented but the underlying OS isn't; Taligent will be." |> |> What's more object-oriented about Mach 3 over Mach 2.5? I thought the main |> difference was just the unix stuff moving out into a server. I think you're correct. Object oriented has nothing to do with micro kernel's but on the the kernel interface. To this extenct Mach 2.x (NeXT is 2.0 based) and Mach 3.0 have a similar interface. Both export the same 5 abstractions, task, thread, port, message and memory object. The idea being that these simple kernel abstractions, and the corresponding programming interface, make it easier to interact with the kernel in an Object Orient manner. I guess here he's not referring to the kernel architecture at all but rather the OS personalities, Taligent and BSD Unix. |> |> >On top of that will be AIX, OS/2, NT, System 7, Solaris, or NeXTSTEP. The nice man from IBM is confused, on top of Mach 3.0 will be DOS, Windows, OS/2 and AIX (aka OSF/1.3), don't know about Taligent. What he means is that NT, Solaris and System 7 will run on top of the power pc architecture. |> What about Taligent? :-) This is puzzling. If it's based on Mach 3 and lets |> you run all those OS flavours, what _is_ Taligent exactly? You're confused ! Taligent is yet another OS personality YAOSP (TM). It doesn't run those OS flavors, Mach does. (actually, I've not seen any announcement from Taligent about what kernel it is based on, or what it really is). David
From: max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BusLogic VLB SCSI? [Was: Re: NS/I SCSI controllers (specifically Adaptec)] Message-ID: <MAX.93Jun8091641@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> Date: 8 Jun 93 13:16:41 GMT References: <1uvddi$i07@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jun8.051654.7262@BlueRose.com> Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, MN In-reply-to: m@BlueRose.com's message of Tue, 8 Jun 1993 05:16:54 GMT In article <1993Jun8.051654.7262@BlueRose.com> m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: ... If you want to use an EISA SCSI host adapter with 3.1 and Adaptec won't help you out, contact DPT or BusLogic. ... Speaking of BusLogic -- from the hardware compatability guide, it is clear that their ISA and EISA controllers are sufficiently compatable with the Adaptec 1542 to work with that driver. But: what about their VLB controller? Does anyone know whether it too works with the 1542 driver? Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: New FAQ for Intel configurations Message-ID: <1993Jun8.140503.1153@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <1993Jun8.043942.23524@csus.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 14:05:03 GMT In article <1993Jun8.043942.23524@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: | In article <96.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: | >Is there any interest in building a FAQ for Intel configurations, or | >possibly creating a new c.s.n group? | | Boot to the head! >thwack!< | | Nathan Janette <laplace.csb.yale.edu> maintains the c.s.n FAQ | files and has already announced that he is going to deal with | this. Chill out, ok? It seems I have taken over the effort of compiling a hardware FAQ. Anyone who has installed NEXTSTEP/Intel on a machine, please email me your experiences, good or bad. Make sure to mention the configuration, and if there was anything "odd" about it. (no-name clone, etc.) -- Jonathan Hendry Anderson Financial Systems jon@afs.com (Nextmail Welcome!) or tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu I see an Epson and I want to paint it black... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: New FSPreferences modules on the archives Message-ID: <1993Jun8.152314.3536@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 15:23:14 GMT There is a new version of the FSPreferences modules on cs.orst.edu. (Currently in pub/next/submissions) Each of these modules runs from inside the preferences application and appear in the scrolling module are along with all the usual preferences modules. These modules require 3.1 to run. (ie: fat bundles don't work under 3.0) FSAutoLaunch launches applications on login without the use of the dock. FSDefaultsManager allows the editing of defaults without requiring yet another application FSSoundPanel associates sounds with different workspace functions: application launch / quit media insert / eject workspace login -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. Joe@FreemanSoft.com 919.783.7033
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Subject: Re: NS/I SCSI controllers (specifically Adaptec) Message-ID: <1993Jun8.163854.1457@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <C89tIC.KD4@csn.org> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 16:38:54 GMT Brendan Forsyth writes > lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) writes: > : > : I downloaded the latest hardware compatibility guide from nextanswers, > : and was quite disappointed to learn that support for the Adaptec 1742 > : (EISA) SCSI controller is "planned for 3.2". Is it really true that > : this card will not work with 3.1? I had hoped that this card would be > : compatible enough with the 1542 that it would "just work" with 3.1. > : Does anybody know any details about this? The hardware compat. guide sez support for the 1742 is planned for 3.2, so yes, that is "really true". > A local vendor loaned me a Vectra 66/U with that controller in it and I have > yet to have it do anything but hang with the NextStep floppy inserted. > > I certainly had hoped that it would work as well. I read a thread in > the NextForum on Compuserve where someone spoke with some reps at Adaptec > that the card should work just like a 1542 when in standard mode. > > When and if I get it working I will post the solution. No promises. First, the Vectra 66/U would have to act 'just like' a 1542 B or C to work. Also, the postscript hardware guide sez that the 1542's built-in floppy disk interface is not supported. So, unless you are using a SCSI floppy with your Vectra, I wouldn't expect it to work. --Glenn
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New FAQ for Intel configurations Message-ID: <97.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: 8 Jun 93 15:53:00 GMT References: <1993Jun8.043942.23524@csus.edu> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) > Message-ID: <1993Jun8.043942.23524@csus.edu> > Date: 8 Jun 93 04:39:42 GMT > > In article <96.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: > >Is there any interest in building a FAQ for Intel configurations, or > >possibly creating a new c.s.n group? > > Boot to the head! >thwack!< > > Nathan Janette <laplace.csb.yale.edu> maintains the c.s.n FAQ > files and has already announced that he is going to deal with > this. Chill out, ok? Ahh, yes, the subtle line between anarchy and bureaucrcy on the Internet. OK, I'll take it up with Nathan. Believe me, those of us configuring PC's who have been waiting since January and before are *quite* chilled! :) > [insert here Ob. weekly reminder that a new c.s.n group is inappropriate] YHO. I don't want to see Intel/Moto versions of software questions, but it seems that the unique issues of PC peripheral compatibility, DMA channels, etc. might make for an appropriate group. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: rmwbb@wittenberg.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Re: I WANT a neXt!!!! The response from the uninformed! Message-ID: <1993Jun7.101214.1@wittenberg.edu> Date: 7 Jun 93 14:12:14 GMT Organization: Wittenberg University OK, thanks all I have had my NeXT education and I thank you. -Scott PS I am still looking, but the search has expanded to include SUNS, DECS (Yeah right, talk about exensive), and any other machine that will run a MUSE, get me mail, etc. Kinda got a site to plug into on the net. Thanks again. BTW, is there anywhere I can learn more about NeXTs?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nando@ccrma.stanford.edu (Fernando Pablo Lopez Lezcano) Subject: booting off an external drive Message-ID: <1993Jun8.181305.4678@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Tue, 8 Jun 93 18:13:05 GMT I'm posting this for a friend, please reply to: "daj@ccrma.stanford.edu" Thanks! I have an old cube with an internal disk that has a SCSI ID of 0. This makes it tricky to boot off an external disk, since the NeXT system likes to boot off of the lowest SCSI ID. I believe there is a way to force it to boot off another device, but can't figure out how to do it. (I'd rather not disect my cube to change the SCSI ID of the internal drive if I don't need to.) If I say bsd(1,0,0)sdmach rootdev=sd1 it boots from the external disk (I can hear it), but then it says: mountfs: illegal remount request mount: /dev/sd0a on /: Invalid argument mount: giving up on:/ then later... Cannot create /dev/log Read only file sys. Mounting remote file systems. Then it hangs. On the other hand, if I just say bsd(1,0,0) it reads the system from the external disk, but then mounts the internal disk as /. Any advice? Please respond to daj@ccrma.stanford.edu (not to this list, nor to the sender of this message.) Thanks.
From: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NS/FIP and ESDI hard drives? Date: 8 Jun 1993 19:09:42 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Message-ID: <1v2o5m$io3@pith.uoregon.edu> Everything I've seen regarding NeXTSTEP for Intel says that it's only supporting IDE and SCSI hard drives. Does this mean that it cirumvents the BIOS? Theoretically, if the drivers were going through the BIOS, we could use MFM, RLL, ESDI, *and* IDE hard drives. So, what's the story? My Priam ESDI hard drive would rock just about any SCSI hard drive, and it would be more than adequate to run NS. A lot of server-class machines have hard drives that are ESDI, and it would be nice if we didn't have to re-invest is new ones. Thanks. -jason _________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, User Support Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) Subject: Re: BusLogic VLB SCSI? [Was: Re: NS/I SCSI controllers (specifically Adaptec)] Message-ID: <C8BIvz.4vM@ms.uky.edu> Organization: University of Kentucky References: <1uvddi$i07@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jun8.051654.7262@BlueRose.com> <MAX.93Jun8091641@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 19:45:34 GMT max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) writes: >Speaking of BusLogic -- from the hardware compatability guide, it is >clear that their ISA and EISA controllers are sufficiently compatable >with the Adaptec 1542 to work with that driver. But: what about their >VLB controller? Does anyone know whether it too works with the 1542 >driver? And let me add a question: If the VLB version of the Buslogic controller will work, does it also "automagically" let NextStep take advantage of memory above 16meg without double buffering (since its capbable of 32bit DMA), and without the need for extra drivers? -- --Mike Mills E-Mail: sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!sam --UK Math Sciences Dept. mike@ukpr.uky.edu --(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: greimann@ravel.udel.edu (John B Greimann) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection (Unix systems sold?) Message-ID: <C8BMK1.KHI@news.udel.edu> Sender: usenet@news.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware References: <dlwC886DI.CLD@netcom.com> <1993Jun7.214526.4657@leland.Stanford.EDU> <m17kpmINN7me@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 21:04:49 GMT >---todd (I know I said I'd unsubscribe, and I did, but I received > several emails saying folks would miss my insight/point of view... > so I'll give it another shot!) hehehehehehe!!! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eagle Computing, Inc. NeXTMail: greimann@pecan.cns.udel.edu Voice:(302)368-4862 NeXT:(302)368-4932 Fax: (302)368-4932
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: montyb@avalon.enet.dec.com (Monty Brandenberg) Message-ID: <9306082119.AA08621@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLXXXX ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 93 14:19:08 PDT From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) > [comments on licensing restriction] > >I'm not sure about the legal situation in the US, but here in Europe this >probably wouldn't affect customers at all, because I believe this kind of >restriction is illegal. > >BTW: Can you imagine you buy a car with the following written in the manual: > >"This car can be used on all major roads, but not on hiways. Also you're not >licensed to drive in Florida. You can buy an extended license for your car if >you have a need to drive in Florida and on hiways." > That is the difference between *owning* and *licensing* (or leasing). You own the car but merely license the software. Here is Massachusetts, if you get a short-term lease on a car, it will very likely contain an enforceable prohibition on driving in New York State. If you own a car, then go ahead. Conditions of Use are material and valid terms of leasing agreements. ( even in Europe. :-) Get used to the idea.... Monty
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: 8 Jun 93 17:01:25 GMT References: <1993Jun7.030537.21272@tetrasoft.com> <2C1400B5.7048@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. In article <2C1400B5.7048@deneva.sdd.trw.com> thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) writes: >Todd Bernhard (toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM) wrote: >> As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far...#1 RISC, #1 UNIX, >> #1 workstations, #1 MP...and approaching monopolistic market share. >> $1 billion cash in the bank. Fortune 135 or so, and fastest growing >> company in Fortune 1000 for the past 5 years or so. SunSoft also owns >> Interactive, btw, and Solaris/Intel, and Wabi are all doing great. > >I am stealing the quote. I hope I have it right. > >#1 RISC means what? 600,000 total RISC chips sold in systems in 1992. >~30,000,000 x86 chips sold in systems in 1992. Isn't saying #1 RISC sort of >like NeXT last year saying they were #1 in "professional workstations". Carve >the right niche with adjectives and you too can be #1. At least you note the bogosity of NeXT's claim... As for #1 RISC, it's significant when everyone's trying for that title, and has been since the IBM RT. >Sun is in deep doo doo. SPARC is trailing the RISC pack in performance and is Wanna know a secret? SPARC has NEVER been the flat-out fastest raw CPU! It was: Apollo (1988), MIPS (1989), IBM (1991), HP (1992), Alpha (1993). Somehow, people bought machines from Sun, making SPARC the #1 RISC with ~60% market share. I guess there's something more to raw performance... Most customers don't want to switch architectures every year to squeeze a few MIPS....witness Intel's growth. Only a NeXT advocate would say being #1 in market share is useless. >being overtaken by Intel's monster that goes into the high volume world. The >PowerPC looks like it too will catch SPARC. Sun's workstations are becoming >very unattractive as desktop units. They are not going to win too many battles >as servers or engineering/science workstations if they cannot do better. If you say it often enough, maybe you can make it true. Meanwhile, we're cashing checks. DESKTOPS: $3995: 59 MIPS, color, 16MB-96MB RAM, 207MB disk, 2 SBus I/O slots, smaller than a Mac IIcx, etc. 4*135 MIPS MP on the desktop in a pizzabox smaller than most PCs 32MB-512MB RAM, 20+GB disk, 4 SBus I/O slots, starting under $15K. SERVERS: 8*135 MIPS MP in deep dish pizzabox, 32MB-2GB RAM, 2GB-100Gb disk, 3-12 SBus I/O slots, under $37K. 20*135 MIPS MP in the Data Center, 64MB-5GB RAM, 4GB-1,000GB disk, 4-40 SBus I/O slots, under $95K. >And Solaris remains unattractive unless you are in the market for Unix as the >application. Sun cannot hope to compete with the dead-end software they are >showing on other platforms. 8,000+ applications. Wabi gives access to tons more. Solaris has 2,000+ resellers, dozens of Intel platform vendors committed to it... >#1 RISC is a sorry niche to claim being on top of. #1 Unix is going to lose ... Then you feel that way about NeXT, too? Just checking...if you're saying NT is the competition, I agree. >the Unix had better be very well hidden if you want out of the backrooms and >the science/engineering ghettos. #1 workstations doesn't mean anything now - >those 66MHz PCs and new Pentium boxes have practically everything most people >ask for with a "workstation" (fast disks, big memory, fast display of 1M color >pixels, crunch, ethernet). #1 MP means what? Is this a niche even smaller than >RISC? So? It's where everyone's headed, and we're #1...what's the problem with pointing that out? >I am ragging on Sun because they had things going so well up until 1986-88 >timeframe, and then stagnated. No new glory for networking. No new concept of >UI hiding Unix. No new concept for software development. No new hardware ideas. Funny. We've had the fastest growth of any Fortune 1000 company in the past 5 years...let's see...that's since 1988! Seems like customers are pretty happy, even if you're not... >Getting overtaken on single-CPU station performance and not understanding why >people buy DOS. (Hint: it ain't Windows, and it ain't the price). To see a U.S. "overtaken"...see above. We were never #1 in raw performance, but as you point out, people buy machines for a lot more reasons...otherwise, Intel would be a trivia item for the Computer Bowl. >company become driven by marketing hustlers instead of marketing-technology >visionaries is sad. take it out on Microsoft... ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection (Unix systems sold?) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 8 Jun 1993 22:14:12 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v32vl$2dr@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <C8BMK1.KHI@news.udel.edu> greimann@ravel.udel.edu (John B Greimann) writes: > >---todd (I know I said I'd unsubscribe, and I did, but I received > > several emails saying folks would miss my insight/point of view... > > so I'll give it another shot!) > > hehehehehehe!!! What's there to laugh about? I'm more than happy to argue with Todd about specific comments he makes, and yet I think we're all better off by having him around. Sometimes people can get a little too eager to beat up on Sun, and in the process they sometimes "overstate" facts to the point that they are wrong. Having someone from Sun around to cross-check some statements will serve a useful purpose for *us* (NeXTSTEP fanatics), whether we "miss" his point of view or not. followups directed to csn.advocacy though, we don't really need to cross-post these articles to so many newsgroups... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cyliao@iastate.edu (Jessy Liao) Subject: Need(borrow/rent) NeXT laserprinter for 2-3 weeks in LA area Message-ID: <C8BqyG.55n@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 22:39:51 GMT anyone can borrow/rent me your NeXT laser printer for 2-3 weeks? It's urgent, and I will need to print around 100 pages total. II am at LA right now. if you have one to borrow/rent or kow place that rents NX hardware, please contact me by email/phone/fax 909 595 7334 909 598 6465 FAx thanks a BUNCH!!! jes -- ___________________*** NeXTmail Accepted ***__________________________________ Jessy Liao | | Done:air/fuel filters, exhaust, cyliao@iastate.edu | Dpt of EE and CprE | Yoko A509s, red line :) c.y.liao@ieee.org | Iowa State University | Next: engine, wheel allignment.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.misc From: chu@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Patrick Chu 3605) Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal Article Message-ID: <1993Jun4.225119.18057@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center) Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR. References: <C7n0E8.Br4@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 22:51:19 GMT Just a side note here: In article <C7n0E8.Br4@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mdw@violin.hr.att.com (Mark Wuest) writes: > NeXTSTEP *IS* BETTER! Somehow, SJ's mix of personality characteristics > helped create something Very Good. Shoot, if he could figure out a way > to get in with NCR (they have the cool parallel architecture with Intel > chips - even have a product with parallel Pentiums now), we might even ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > see a few more NeXTSTEP screens here at AT&T. If the HP thing works > out, we might anyway... If Sun and NeXT could bury the hatchet, ... As someone who is working on this very product, I just want to say that "having a product with parallel Pentiums" is a bit premature. It's been planned, but that's about it. Certainly, the base operating system will never be NeXTSTEP; there are extentions that only work with one flavor of UNIX. But if you want to hook a NeXT terminal up to it, you can do that today. Just a clarification.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: NeXT Step on other 68K machines? Message-ID: <1993Jun8.192806.333@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <1993Jun7.184710.23385@nicmad.uucp> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 19:28:06 GMT In article <1993Jun7.184710.23385@nicmad.uucp> robinson@nicmad.uucp (Dennis Robinson - Summer Intern) writes: | I was sitting around thinking of the beauty of the NeXT step | OS when I thought about some computer owners who'd love to | own NeXT step and would definately open the market for it. | I'm a PC clone user in the meantime but plan on adding Moto 68k | based machine to the family. I have proposed that NeXT step should | be ported to the following machines: | | Amiga '030 based and above | Macintosh '030 and above (runs side by side with Mac OS somehow) | HP Apollo '040 based machines | i386 based suns (orphans nowadays) | Maybe even 68k atari's NeXT learned way back when that NeXTSTEP doesn't do well on an 030. Also, NeXTSTEP/intel requires a 486, so the sun i386 is out. NeXTSTEP could probably work on an 040 Mac, but NeXT would have a hard time writing drivers, most likely. The 040 HP's might work. But the question is: Why bother? How many atari or amiga owners are likely to spend the money for NeXTSTEP? It costs more than their computers, probably. The Motorola 0x0 line is effectively dead. A new processor won't be out until well into next year, and no one big is likely to use it. Save your money and buy a Power PC machine. Perhaps they could be get it running on the PowerPC macs. At least then there'd be a somewhat better-looking and better made alternative to the intel clones. And there are sure to be quite a few of them. (True, some of the new macs are ugly, but I think the Centris 610 ain't bad looking.) -- Jonathan Hendry Anderson Financial Systems jon@afs.com (Nextmail Welcome!) or tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu I see an Epson and I want to paint it black...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scan@csulb.edu (So. Cal. NeXT Users Group) Subject: Programmer/Analyst Position for Hire Message-ID: <C8Bsx5.HLv@csulb.edu> Keywords: job, nextstep Sender: news@csulb.edu (News Administration/Rumor Bureau) Organization: Cal State Long Beach Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 23:22:16 GMT From Trans Pacific Container Service Corporation Los Angeles, Seattle, Oakland We are an ocean carrier terminal operator in the port of Los Angeles currently redesigning our computer software to utilize a graphical paradigm. We are looking for a motivated person to dedicate their NeXT experience to develop new applications. Qualifications: 1-2 years of NeXT experience Objective-C or C++ UNIX Oracle RDBMS Networking NeXT experience and object-oriented programming are required. The project is extensive, dynamic and rewarding. Resumes can be faxed or mailed to the following address: TraPac P.O. Box 1178 Wilmington, CA 90744 Attn: NeXT Project - Monica Dems FAX: (310) 513-7410 Please do not respond to scan@csulb.edu, as your response will be ignored.
From: dgarrett@engr.latech.edu (Don Garrett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SCSI & IDE & SCSI-2 Date: 9 Jun 1993 00:29:52 GMT Organization: Louisiana Tech University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v3au0$pp8@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> Keywords: Two questions.... NS supports both IDE, and SCSI controllers. Is there chance that it will support both at the same time? I don't see any reason that it shouldn't, unless IDE/SCSI ports or interrupts overlap. But if that's the only problem... most cards allow these things to be reset. Second, which of the supported cards allow SCSI-2? --- Don Garrett Louisiana Tech dgarrett@engr.latech.edu University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Newsgrazer for '486 machines? Message-ID: <1v32b2INN4uh@clem.handheld.com> From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Date: 8 Jun 1993 22:03:14 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Has NewsGrazer been ported to the NSFIP? Jim -- jmd@handheld.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 8000 Sun apps? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.013446.24295@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 01:34:46 GMT References: <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Sender: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: [about Sun] > 8,000+ applications. I think that this number must be seriously bogus. If you count every shell script, every utility right down to "cat", and every screwball custom app written in the past decade, sure... but when it comes to commercially available graphical applications that are useful to more than 20 people *and* which are compliant to some (any!) user interface specification, the X world in general seems to be pretty impoverished. Example: one and a half years ago, there was a computer show at my university. The guy doing the demo was proudly showing off a popular commercial spreadsheet. Yet he could not name *one* other general productivity app that was available for Sun. I know that some exist, but I also know that there aren't a hell of a lot of them. I have never, ever seen a UNIX installation with a better suite of general productivity apps than I have on my NeXT at home. Better yet, all my software is legit, and I didn't go broke buying it. Don't think I didn't consider Sun when I got my NeXT. I read both Catalyst and the Software and Peripherials Guide. Why did I choose NeXT? Simple: it had more real, high quality, useful and affordable software! -Anthony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NeXT Step on other 68K machines? Message-ID: <C8B8sC.D7F@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun7.184710.23385@nicmad.uucp> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 16:07:23 GMT In article <1993Jun7.184710.23385@nicmad.uucp> robinson@nicmad.uucp (Dennis Robinson - Summer Intern) writes: #I was sitting around thinking of the beauty of the NeXT step #OS when I thought about some computer owners who'd love to #own NeXT step and would definately open the market for it. #I'm a PC clone user in the meantime but plan on adding Moto 68k #based machine to the family. I have proposed that NeXT step should #be ported to the following machines: # #Amiga '030 based and above #Macintosh '030 and above (runs side by side with Mac OS somehow) #HP Apollo '040 based machines #i386 based suns (orphans nowadays) #Maybe even 68k atari's '030 hardware is too slow. i386 hardware is even slower. 68K Atari machines are waaaaaaayyyyy ttoooooooooo slooooowwwwwww. I could see porting to an Amiga 4000 or one of the '040 Macs. It should not be ported to anyhting less than an i486 or '040. It already had a reputation for running slow. We don't need that again. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: dave@guinness.huma.yorku.ca (David Aspinall) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <C8C7AH.2KA@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University, Humanities Department References: <1993Jun2.045659.647@ccsi.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 04:32:41 GMT shill@ccsi.com (Sean L. Hill) writes: : Take a good look at these headers. Both of them were recognized as : NEXTMAIL. This is very interesting. When do we get MIME capable : NEXTMAIL? : : Hopefully soon! : : -Sean At the NS/I Q+A session at NWX, I asked a marketing dweeb from NeXT about the future of NeXT Mail. He said that the changes needed to make MIME work in NextMail were minor. When I pressed him on the issue he refused to commit to anything, but suggested that MIME could be included with 3.2 I got the impression that Next was getting some negative feedback on NextMail, and lets face it, NextMail needs an overhaul. This is something that should have been included when encryption was built into the Mail.app back for 3.0 - David -- David Aspinall ---------- Former-Former-NeXT Campus Consultant E-mail : cs911409@ariel.yorku.ca | I'd rather be NeXTMail: dave@ccs.yorku.ca | rich than stupid V-mail : (416) 663-4997 | -- Jack Handey
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 8000 Sun apps? Date: 9 Jun 1993 05:36:57 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m1atnpINNl97@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun9.013446.24295@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> In article <1993Jun9.013446.24295@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes: >In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd >Bernhard) writes: >[about Sun] >> 8,000+ applications. > >I think that this number must be seriously bogus. If you count every shell >script, every utility right down to "cat", and every screwball custom app I'll be happy to mail you our phonebook-size Catalyst catalog. ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.unix.misc From: cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib) Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal Article (What about the StarServer?) Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 07:33:07 GMT Message-ID: <C8CFnA.GMC@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc References: <C7n0E8.Br4@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1993Jun4.225119.18057@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> ----------------------------------------- AT&T used to have a machine with multiple 486s. It is/was called the StarServer. Don't know if the name changed after AT&T-NCR merge. It would be great to see NeXTSTEP running on such machine. ------------------------------------------ In article <1993Jun4.225119.18057@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>, chu@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Patrick Chu 3605) writes: > > Just a side note here: > > > In article <C7n0E8.Br4@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mdw@violin.hr.att.com (Mark Wuest) writes: > > NeXTSTEP *IS* BETTER! Somehow, SJ's mix of personality characteristics > > helped create something Very Good. Shoot, if he could figure out a way > > to get in with NCR (they have the cool parallel architecture with Intel > > chips - even have a product with parallel Pentiums now), we might even > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > see a few more NeXTSTEP screens here at AT&T. If the HP thing works > > out, we might anyway... If Sun and NeXT could bury the hatchet, ... > > > As someone who is working on this very product, I just want to say > that "having a product with parallel Pentiums" is a bit premature. > It's been planned, but that's about it. > > Certainly, the base operating system will never be NeXTSTEP; there are > extentions that only work with one flavor of UNIX. But if you want to > hook a NeXT terminal up to it, you can do that today. > > Just a clarification. Richard Dib AT&T BL
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Elm/NeXTMail tricks Date: 9 Jun 1993 08:47:51 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v44j7$314@steffi.demon.co.uk> OK, I am one of the few people who doesn't like using NeXTMail for ordinary mail. So I have here a solution that allows you to only use NeXTMail to receive mail that has attachments in it only. All other mail can be handled in a Unix mailer like Elm for instance. The way NeXTMail works when it retrieves new mail it just rips everything out of /usr/spool/mail/$LOGNAME and puts it into the Active.mbox (a NeXTMAil format mailbox). I like to store my news (from trn) and mail in the same format hence I needed a solution that allowed me to store mail in normal unix mailbox format. Well here it is. The trick is to only ever have waiting in /usr/spool/mail/$LOGNAME mail with attatchments only. So before hand you must have retrieved all Text only mail and put it somewhere else. Procmail lets you do this (and a lot of other things) nicely. Procmail is a rule based filter. In procmail you specify what you would like done with your mail based on pattern matching with each itemss headers. So for instance, I have this rule in procmail :: ^TOnext-prog next-prog This takes all messages addressed to the next-programmers mailing list and puts them it their own mailbox. Procmail is run from the .forward file for each mail item that arrives. In Procmail you can specify an alternative to /usr/spool/mail/$LOGNAME ie. where you would like all incoming mail. What this means is that for all messages that procmail doesn't match in a rule get left where you specify them. Note:this is because I have told procmail to not continue processing mail after it has found a match. You can specify that procmail continue processing mail (ie. attempt to match against further rules) even if it found a match and you will be able to duplicate your mail should you so desire. ----------------- Side note: I don't like biff writing to every terminal window so I use as my first rule in procmail this. Note: the 'c' after ':' means continue looking for other matches. :c ^TO.* | /usr/local/bin/newm "`date`" "`formail -rt -xTo:`" "`formail -xSubject:`" /usr/local/bin/newm looks like this : # Store a counter in /usr/tmp/nm TMP=/usr/tmp/nm COUNT=`cat $TMP` COUNT=`expr $COUNT + 1` echo $COUNT >$TMP echo $0 $1 $2 $3 $4 > /usr/tmp/robert #echo [$COUNT] "$1" "$2" `echo "$3" | awk '{ print $5 }'` > /dev/console echo [$COUNT] "`echo $1 | awk '{print $4}'`" "$2" "$3" > /dev/console The logic here was to put a counter beside each mail item as it arrived. This is because when I log into my host I am told how many messages are waiting for me and I would like to know when I have retrieve all my mail. ------------------ I have chosen to leave all messages that didn't match a rule in ~/Mail/mbox by specifying. DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox in my .procmailrc file. Now the key rule is this one. :: ^Next-Attachment /usr/spool/mail/robert This ensures that only mail with NeXTMail attachments is stored in the folder where NeXTMail expects to find it all other mail has been "shoved" somewhere else. I wouldn't recommend configuring NeXTMail to automatically retrieve mail with this solution since it's quite possible that NeXTMail could grab the Text only mail before procmail has been run from .forward and this would stuff up the whole scheme. So I manually retrieve NeXTMail with the "Get New Mail" from Utilities. For somebody who doesn't like being forced into a proprietory mailbox format this is a temporary workaround until MIME compatible NeXTMail arrives :-). I hope this is been clear and that you get some use out of it. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: Re: New FAQ for Intel configurations Message-ID: <UX0DBY9C@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <96.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 10:05:30 GMT Peter Kron (pkron@corona.com) wrote: : Is there any interest in building a FAQ for Intel configurations, or : possibly creating a new c.s.n group? I know I've run across various : snags, as have others. With the number of configurations and the high : cost of NeXT support, we could all benefit from sharing experiences : and (hopefully!) solutions. : I would be willing to collect a FAQ if there is interest. Great idea Peter - do it! Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-3400 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095 Email: mzeller@gwdg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: amir@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Guindehi Amir) Subject: Re: ET4000AX support for NeXTStep 486 Message-ID: <1993Jun9.101251.19976@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <1993Jun07.202435.40250@rchland.ibm.com> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 10:12:51 GMT : In article <1uti1s$oln@sun.Panix.Com>, choong@panix.com (Choong Seow) writes: : |> In the NeXTStep Hardware Compatibility Guide, 2-bit grayscale support : |> for cards based on the ET4000AX chipset is mentioned, but no specific : |> names are given. Does anyone know if the Diamond SpeedSTAR and the : |> Orchid ProDesigner II/IIs (ET4000AX chips) have been tested and found : |> to work with NeXTSTEP 486 in 1024X768 ? : |> : |> thanks, : |> Choong Seow : |> My EIZO VA41 with ET4000 chipset works perfectly but _slow_ in 1024x768 with 2 colors. It's a ISA card. -- Amir Guindehi, alias Frog, Taurec and Aragorn ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet: amir@avalon.physik.unizh.ch | aguindeh@iiic.ethz.ch amir@amiga.physik.unizh.ch | wir124@g26.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::FROG | PSI: PSI%47931149412::FROG ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am sure, you realize, that what you heard is not what I meant. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: dbbrown@turtle.mrj.com (Dan Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: AppleTalk in 3.1 Date: 9 Jun 1993 07:47:57 -0400 Organization: MRJ, Inc./Oakton, Virginia, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v4ild$5bt@turtle.mrj.com> It has been announced that AppleTalk for NS 3.1 has been unbundled. Does anyone know which company will be supplying this support and for how much? Dan Brown
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: Re: BusLogic VLB SCSI? [Was: Re: NS/I SCSI controllers (specifically Adaptec)] Message-ID: <1993Jun9.123401.5182@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University References: <MAX.93Jun8091641@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 12:34:01 GMT Max Hailperin (max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu) wrote: : In article <1993Jun8.051654.7262@BlueRose.com> m@BlueRose.com (M : Carling) writes: : ... If you want to use an EISA SCSI host adapter with 3.1 and Adaptec : won't help you out, contact DPT or BusLogic. ... : Speaking of BusLogic -- from the hardware compatability guide, it is : clear that their ISA and EISA controllers are sufficiently compatable : with the Adaptec 1542 to work with that driver. But: what about their : VLB controller? Does anyone know whether it too works with the 1542 : driver? : Thanks. I have some question about BusLogic " 747s " EISA SCSI card (1) My friend told me that the BusLogic has some mode like EISA mode or another, what's that? If you use the ISA Adaptec 1542 driver for BusLogic EISA SCSI card, does it mean that you just can use it like ISA Adaptec 1542 which direct access 16M RAM? (2) How much does it cost? Since my friend will come back to Taiwan Next week, I want to know how better it is, and decide if I will ask my friend to buy it for me. I prefer EISA card if I can afford ( I saw somenoe writes that the DTP 2012 w/4.5M cache will cost ~$900 ). So, Any information about BusLogic would be willing to know, or where can I get my answers? Thanks. Mark _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Email address: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw (NOT NeXTmail please ...)
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: For Luis at Elysia Date: 9 Jun 1993 13:13:54 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v4k62$4fh@steffi.demon.co.uk> Luis the email address luis@elysia.fdn.org doesn't work when I try to send you mail. At least is doesn't send me a Return-Receipt or bounce the message. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: Elm/NeXTMail tricks Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jun9100515@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: 9 Jun 93 14:05:13 GMT References: <1v44j7$314@steffi.demon.co.uk> Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University In-Reply-To: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk's message of 9 Jun 1993 08:47:51 +0100 To: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Originator: news@nimaster In article <1v44j7$314@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: I wouldn't recommend configuring NeXTMail to automatically retrieve mail with this solution since it's quite possible that NeXTMail could grab the Text only mail before procmail has been run from .forward and this would stuff up the whole scheme. So I manually retrieve NeXTMail with the "Get New Mail" from Utilities. That's not a concern. Filters in ~/.forward are piped the text of the mail message directly from sendmail. If there is a ~/.forward file, mail doesn't get put into /usr/spool/mail/$USERNAME at all unless the filter puts it there explicitly. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <1993Jun9.152332.15049@news.nd.edu> Keywords: sparc,sun Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame References: <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 15:23:32 GMT In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: >....... > DESKTOPS: > $3995: 59 MIPS, color, 16MB-96MB RAM, 207MB disk, 2 SBus I/O slots, > smaller than a Mac IIcx, etc. > > 4*135 MIPS MP on the desktop in a pizzabox smaller than most PCs > 32MB-512MB RAM, 20+GB disk, 4 SBus I/O slots, starting under $15K. > >........ > ---todd > > -- > Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, > Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation > toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that> Just curious, but when you say 4 by 135 MIPS MP starting under $15K, isn't that a little misleading? Last time I checked (a few months ago) $15K was the cost of a uniprocessor Sparc 10, not the (quite a bit) more expensive 4 processor model. -- Matthew J. Grismer M M JJJJJJJJJJ GGGGGGGG 300 Cushing Hall MM MM J G University of Notre Dame M M M M J G GGGG e-mail: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu M M M M J G G NeXTmail preferred M M M M J J G G M MM M JJJJJ GGGGGGGG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: perera@genaro.lislab.uga.edu (Niranjan Perera) Subject: What happens to NeXT hardware now that they are in software ? Message-ID: <C8D1or.GBE@athena.cs.uga.edu> Sender: usenet@athena.cs.uga.edu Organization: GIS Division, Institute of Gov't, U of GA, Athens Distribution: na Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 15:29:14 GMT Hi, One of the things I liked about NeXT was their sleek black design for the workstation. Now that they are out of the hardware area, I was wondering if they have any plans to sell intel machines moulded to look like their workstations, bundled with NeXTSTEP ? Or are they going to only sell the software ? -- Niranjan -- "Bell labs is virtual reality. They pay me to do anything I want." - Ken Thompson, Winter Usenix meeting, San Diego, 1993
From: jon@afs.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: New FAQ for Intel configurations Message-ID: <1993Jun9.143623.286@afs.com> Date: 9 Jun 93 14:36:23 GMT References: <UX0DBY9C@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Sender: jon@afs.com In article <UX0DBY9C@gwdu03.gwdg.de> mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) writes: | Peter Kron (pkron@corona.com) wrote: | : Is there any interest in building a FAQ for Intel configurations, or | : possibly creating a new c.s.n group? I know I've run across various | : snags, as have others. With the number of configurations and the high | : cost of NeXT support, we could all benefit from sharing experiences | : and (hopefully!) solutions. | | : I would be willing to collect a FAQ if there is interest. | | Great idea Peter - do it! I've already started working on such a thing. (It's only a few days old, though.) If anyone has installed NS/FIP, please send me your experiences. Include the system's configuration, and any problems you may have had. I also want to hear from people whose installation "just worked". I am particularly interested in hearing from people who installed it on no-name clones or machines not in the compatability guide, but any kind of installation will be accepted. Wake the kids and call the neighbors. Tell your friends if they're not on the net. I will be sending it to Nathan Janette periodically for posting in c.s.n.announce -- In the old days, it was not called the Holiday Season; the Christians called it "Christmas" and went to church; the Jews called it "Hanukka" and went to synagogue; the atheists went to parties and drank. People passing each other on the street would say "Merry Christmas!" or "Happy Hanukka!" or (to the atheists) "Look out for the wall!" -- Dave Barry, "Christmas Shopping: A Survivor's Guide"
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: AppleTalk in 3.1 Date: 9 Jun 1993 18:02:49 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v58k9INNal5@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1v4ild$5bt@turtle.mrj.com> The company is IPT, phone (805)541-3000 (in CA), products are Partner ($149) and Partner Plus ($295). The prices are limited time offers, are for black hardware, and have an Intel-hardware conversion option. Partner does what NeXTstep 3.0 did, but supposedly with less bugs. Partner Plus adds the capability for the NeXT to be a file server and print server on an Appletalk network. I have a question in, but no response yet, as to whether Partner provides printer error messages back to the NeXT. I ordered Partner Plus anyway, and so I may post a mini-review of it sometime. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: Re: mouse going north (not south) -- CONCLUSION Message-ID: <1993Jun9.161920.2527@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab References: <1993Jun7.220934.8036@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 16:19:20 GMT In article <1993Jun7.220934.8036@newshost.lanl.gov> silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) I wrote: > The mouse is from a turbo station, less than a year old. Lately, it seems > the cursor often goes upwards on the screen, when I try dragging it > downwards. Opening it up, cleaning the ball and rollers doesn't seem to > improve matters. Nor does changing mousepads. Any suggestions? Few responses to this posting (which maybe should have gone to c.s.n.hardware instead of here). Eric Scott suggested I have been cruel and pulled too hard on my mouse's tail. Someone else said he had (temporarily !?) seen the same problem once. Well, putting in a new mouse fixes the problem. (This was the last known available NeXT hardware mouse at LANL -- I was lucky in that respect.) Paul Brown, our former NeXT service guru, suggested the problem might be in a bad microswitch, but when Jeff Widle and I opened up the mouse enclosure (very simple inside!) there was no switch available to look at and fiddle with. (There surely is something like a switch there; it must just be under the plastic that hides the rollers.) Anyway, since the mouse is only about 9 months old, we are going to see how the warrenty replacement process works in the new Bell Atlantic era. Dick Silbar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nanook@dante.ccs.itd.umich.edu (John Gerald Devlin) Subject: Pages Message-ID: <1993Jun9.190530.8817@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Keywords: Pages, DTP Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 19:05:30 GMT Has anyone heard word about when Pages (both the user and the Designer Edition) will be shipping? (Or about edu pricing, for that matter.) Thanks.
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: statd on a NeXT? Date: 9 Jun 1993 19:09:53 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v5ci2$hbh@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> I notice that there is no NFS statd on our NeXT systems running 2.x or 3.x. Is there an equivalent to it anywhere, or perhaps a reason why it was left out?
From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.181017.22438@news.columbia.edu> Date: 9 Jun 93 18:10:17 GMT References: <C88pGE.IG3@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University In article <C88pGE.IG3@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Sabit Cakmak, actually Philip McDunnough) writes: > I still maintain what I said in my original article. EqB simply doesn't have > a companion on the NeXT, except as a partial front-end to TeX. It's a great > application looking for a word processor. > > Why the heck could Expressionist ( which is nowhere near as nice as EqB) + > Write Now on the Mac get the baseline right years ago? Isn't the NeXT > supposed to be easy to develop for? If it is then where is that simple > word processor which will support in-line equations. It's a disgrace. > The explanation is easy. Baseline support is not in the Text object. The right way to do this is to put baseline support in the Text object and then all those Applications using the text object, including Edit, will automatically have baseline support. If NeXT is too slow about it, someone could write a Category for it ... Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pjm@SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Pedro J. Moreno) Subject: exporting cdrom Message-ID: <C8DDr7.2HC.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 19:49:55 GMT I have tried all th tricks to export my cdrom (under NS 3.0 and NS 3.1 beta) to other next or non-next unix machines without luck. Our local next guru tried also, and nothing.... So, is it possible to nfs export the cdrom or not??? And how??? Please, any help will be really appreciated....... thanks Pedro. -- Pedro J. Moreno (NeXTMail OK) Ph.D. Student Electrical and Computer Engineering Speech Group pjm@stevens.speech.cs.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko) Subject: Re: 8000 Sun apps? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.220355.15568@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jun9.013446.24295@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 22:03:55 GMT Anthony Berno writes | ... | I have never, ever seen a UNIX installation with a better suite of general | productivity apps than I have on my NeXT at home. Better yet, all my | software is legit, and I didn't go broke buying it. Don't think I didn't | consider Sun when I got my NeXT. I read both Catalyst and the Software and | Peripherials Guide. Why did I choose NeXT? Simple: it had more real, high | quality, useful and affordable software! Ditto that. Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: s5untj@fnma.com (Neele Johnston) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.223436.4394@almserv.uucp> Sender: usenet@almserv.uucp Organization: Fannie Mae References: <1993Jun6.092911.5030@prim> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 22:34:36 GMT In article <1993Jun6.092911.5030@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > No need to be overly cautious. Mark Chamberlain of Xexos told us a while back > of the Mail app they were developing. I just started following this thread, and I've seen several references to Mark Chamberlain's mail app. Does anyone know how to contact Mark, or Xexos? Also, does anyone know how to contact "Boston Software Works"? It was reported at one time that they were also working on a gateway that would handle this type of function. We have a need to tie the mail application on our NeXT machines in with our network of MS-DOG PCs with cc:mail. The network connectivity is not a problem, and now we have a working gateway for plain text messages, but attachments are a problem: the gateway of course doesn't do NeXTmail format. We could replace NeXTmail with something better, or we could just augment the gateway. -- Neele Johnston Unix Technical Services Fannie Mae, Washington, DC Email: neele@fnma.com
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NWE NOIR auction Message-ID: <1227@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 9 Jun 93 22:42:00 GMT References: <1993Jun5.005210.901@nightfly.uucp> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com What I want to know is, who on earth is NOIR and what are they doing with the tens of thousands of dollars of proceeds?!? Is there any accounting of this for the people who donate stuff? Maybe I'll run an auction next year. Just donate yer stuff to me, and I'll sell it and keep the proceeds.
From: dgarrett@engr.latech.edu (Don Garrett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal Article (What abou Date: 9 Jun 1993 23:31:32 GMT Organization: Louisiana Tech University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v5rsk$k9o@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> References: <C8CFnA.GMC@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Well, NeXT is a layer on top of Mach. Mach was originally developed to support low level paralellism. All my research into's Mach capabilities were focused on other aspects of the system, but wouldn't allow the invisible use of say.... 1-4 processors, for process level paralellism? And even fine-grained paralellism for specially developed programs? Now, at least part of the problem would lie with the fact the NS is layered on top of Mach 2.0 + some Mach 2.5 (Thanks to Matt Emerson for the explanation). A LOT of changes have been made in the system since then. Is there any chance that NS will ever be updated to a modern version of Mach? Would anyone who knows what thier talking about (obviously not me) care to speak up? --- Don Garrett Louisiana Tech dgarrett@engr.latech.edu University
From: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: copy to DOS, invalid argument? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.183753.5059@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> Date: 9 Jun 93 18:37:53 CST Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University I hope this is a simple one... I'm trying to copy a plain ascii file (TEXT.TXT) from a NeXT hard drive to a DOS disk (formatted on a NeXT). The process window pops up and tells me that /dosdisk/TEXT.TXT is an invalid argument. I'm given the option to proceed or stop. The file isn't copied in any case. Any help appreciated; like most of my encounters with DOS, I just want to get this over with. -- kc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: copy to DOS, invalid argument? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.004005.24641@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jun9.183753.5059@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 00:40:05 GMT f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes > I hope this is a simple one... > > I'm trying to copy a plain ascii file (TEXT.TXT) from a NeXT hard > drive to a DOS disk (formatted on a NeXT). The process window > pops up and tells me that /dosdisk/TEXT.TXT is an invalid argument. > > I'm given the option to proceed or stop. The file isn't copied > in any case. > > Any help appreciated; like most of my encounters with DOS, I just > want to get this over with. It is a simple one. Change the name of the file to all lower case. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kurtww@netcom.com (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) Subject: Re: NS/I SCSI controllers (specifically Adaptec) Message-ID: <kurtwwC8Dzqq.EA3@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Jun8.051654.7262@BlueRose.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 03:44:49 GMT M Carling (m@BlueRose.com) wrote: <...> : You can register your disappointment by calling the Adaptec Tech : Support Hotline at +1 408 945 2550. If the support engineer you : speak with doesn't know about the problem, ask to speak to "Ken". Having had some experience calling Adaptec's tech support, the above is NOT recommended! Call them at 1-800-959-SCSI, and be near a speaker phone with a good book. Their support is quite good when they DO finally answer, btw. : M Carling : President, Bay Area NeXT Group Kurt Wiedenhoeft kurtww@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kurtww@netcom.com (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) Subject: Image Editing on NS/FIP? Message-ID: <kurtwwC8E0G3.F9E@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 04:00:02 GMT Someone in one of the other groups mentioned seeing a product called TIFFany at NWE, but I can't remember where I saw it. I'd be curious to know more info about it (like a contact at the company?), or if anyone else is doing Photoshop-like editing on a NeXT. I called Adobe, but they have no concrete plans to port Photoshop to NS/FIP "unless it takes off." Seems to me that's sorta counter-productive, but who am I to say. Kurt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: dave@guinness.huma.yorku.ca (David Aspinall) Subject: Re: New FSPreferences modules on the archives Message-ID: <C8E0pE.Aq8@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University, Humanities Department References: <1993Jun8.152314.3536@FreemanSoft.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 04:05:38 GMT Hmmm, BTW has anyone else using 3.1 PRE1 for m68k had any trouble with the FSSoundPanel ? :) The other panels work fine, but not this one :( I just want to know if it's me... Later David -- David Aspinall ---------- Former-Former-NeXT Campus Consultant E-mail : cs911409@ariel.yorku.ca | I'd rather be NeXTMail: dave@ccs.yorku.ca | rich than stupid V-mail : (416) 663-4997 | -- Jack Handey
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.170442.2330@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <1993Jun6.092911.5030@prim> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 17:04:42 GMT In article <1993Jun6.092911.5030@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > >Best if I don't say more about this until the formal third > >party announcements are made. > > No need to be overly cautious. Mark Chamberlain of Xexos told us a while back > of the Mail app they were developing. And still going... paying work got in the way for about a month, but its back on track again. People who asked to beta will get mail soon. It might not ship with the MIME module, its hard finding something to thoroughly test it against, but mailers are dynamically loaded anyway, so I'm sure we (or someone else) will ship that soon after. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: 8000 Sun apps? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.052518.19458@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <m1atnpINNl97@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 05:25:18 GMT In article <m1atnpINNl97@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > In article <1993Jun9.013446.24295@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes: > >In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd > >Bernhard) writes: > >[about Sun] > >> 8,000+ applications. > > > >I think that this number must be seriously bogus. If you count every shell > >script, every utility right down to "cat", and every screwball custom app > > I'll be happy to mail you our phonebook-size Catalyst catalog. Which one of Sun's OS/Window combinations do those run on, Todd? Sorry, I've lost count of how many there have been. Are those all Solaris apps, Todd? How many of those are generic X11 apps? -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Newsgrazer for '486 machines? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.052738.19539@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1v32b2INN4uh@clem.handheld.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 05:27:38 GMT In article <1v32b2INN4uh@clem.handheld.com> writes: > Has NewsGrazer been ported to the NSFIP? With the post window multi-threaded so it doesn't freeze during updates....please? -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 32-bit Color for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1v6j6q$gjl@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: 10 Jun 93 06:09:30 GMT Article-I.D.: pith.1v6j6q$gjl References: <36840@castle.ed.ac.uk> Distribution: world Organization: University of Oregon, Eugene, Oregon In article <36840@castle.ed.ac.uk>, dirkb@castle.ed.ac.uk (Dirk Balfanz) writes: > >As I understand a 32-bit color imaging model is planned for a "future >release" of NS/FIP. My question is how this may affect the choice of >graphics hardware I buy today (assuming I want to have a NS machine now >but also want to be able to upgrade to that "future release" and take full >advantage of true color + 8 bit transparency). > >As for add-on VLB (or EISA) cards, will I need more VRAM than the current >2MB? If so, can I simply plug in more RAM or will I need to buy a new >card? Or will I need to buy a new card for other reasons (e.g. bus width)? >Or will they work just fine? > >And what about on-board graphics hardware such as JAWS (in Dell machines) >or Wingine (in Epson) machines? Will they be able to handle the 32-bit >color imaging model without a change? > >Dirk. > >P.S.: Which "future release" do they mean? 3.2? 7.0? > I hope that they find out because I am also very interested.... If you find anything information out please let me know. I am interested in purchasing Nextstep FIP and NEED 32 bit color support in the near future. Thankx. Steve McGrew SBM@oregon.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: SCSI & IDE & SCSI-2 Message-ID: <bchin.739647198@nextsrv1> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1v3au0$pp8@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 17:33:18 GMT dgarrett@engr.latech.edu (Don Garrett) writes: > Two questions.... > NS supports both IDE, and SCSI controllers. Is there chance that it >will support both at the same time? I don't see any reason that it >shouldn't, unless IDE/SCSI ports or interrupts overlap. But if that's >the only problem... most cards allow these things to be reset. Matter of fact, this is the *only* way to get NeXTSTEP to install on an IDE drive in the first place. :-) Of course, if you already have an IDE drive with NS on it, you can build a second one. > Second, which of the supported cards allow SCSI-2? What do you mean by "allow?" NeXT's own hardware is SCSI-1 but "allows" SCSI-2 peripherals. I believe all the supported SCSI controllers are "SCSI-2" which doesn't mean that much. I think all of them can do the "Fast transfer" mode of SCSI-2 however. The DPT will easy outperform the Adaptec just due to bus architecture (ISA vs. EISA). Good luck! -- Bill Chin, NeXTSTEP Developer, PRC Inc. VP Communications, Washington Area NeXT Users Group Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Technical Staff bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmoffett@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Moffett) Subject: Re: mouse going north (not south) Message-ID: <dmoffett.739650653@nextsrv1> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1993Jun7.220934.8036@newshost.lanl.gov> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 18:30:53 GMT silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) writes: >The mouse is from a turbo station, less than a year old. Lately, it seems >the cursor often goes upwards on the screen, when I try dragging it >downwards. Opening it up, cleaning the ball and rollers doesn't seem to >improve matters. Nor does changing mousepads. Any suggestions? Turn the monitor upsidedown and every thing should be ok. David Moffett
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.073207.26916@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 07:32:07 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <C8C7AH.2KA@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <C8C7AH.2KA@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> writes: > shill@ccsi.com (Sean L. Hill) writes: > : Take a good look at these headers. Both of them were recognized as > : NEXTMAIL. This is very interesting. When do we get MIME capable > : NEXTMAIL? > : > : Hopefully soon! > : > : -Sean > > At the NS/I Q+A session at NWX, I asked a marketing dweeb from > NeXT about the future of NeXT Mail. He said that the changes needed to > make MIME work in NextMail were minor. When I pressed him on the issue > he refused to commit to anything, but suggested that MIME could be > included with 3.2 I got the impression that Next was getting some > negative feedback on NextMail, and lets face it, NextMail needs an > overhaul. This is something that should have been included when > encryption was built into the Mail.app back for 3.0 > > - David > > -- > David Aspinall ---------- Former-Former-NeXT Campus Consultant > E-mail : cs911409@ariel.yorku.ca | I'd rather be > NeXTMail: dave@ccs.yorku.ca | rich than stupid > V-mail : (416) 663-4997 | -- Jack Handey As a matter of fact, MIME or any other really good international character support (AND an 8bit transport where ever possible) would have been much more usefull for us non-US'ers than encription, which, due to some overhauled laws, are not available for us. - Robert -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch ( if all fails try frank@urz.unibas.ch )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: statd on a NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.083949.29231@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1v5ci2$hbh@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 08:39:49 GMT In article <1v5ci2$hbh@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes: >I notice that there is no NFS statd on our NeXT systems running 2.x or 3.x. >Is there an equivalent to it anywhere, or perhaps a reason why it was >left out? We have them on ours (no man pages, however). They are not started by default (and no, we don't use them). N.B. The 2.x Release Notes said |NFS 4.0 Known Problems | |The following are known problems in the NFS 4.0. They will be |corrected in a future release. | |+ Network locking in NFS 4.0 was deemed too unstable to | include as a supported NeXT product. Network locking | will be fully supported in a future software release. 3.0's Release Notes make no mention either way. I suppose you could try adding # # start up status monitor and locking daemon if present # if [ -f /usr/etc/rpc.statd ]; then /usr/etc/rpc.statd && (echo -n ' rpc.statd') >/dev/console fi if [ -f /usr/etc/rpc.lockd ]; then /usr/etc/rpc.lockd && (echo -n ' rpc.lockd') >/dev/console fi to /etc/rc.local on a 3.x machine and see what happens? (And report back.) -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: walters@id.com (Chris Walters) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection In-Reply-To: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM's message of 8 Jun 93 17: 01:25 GMT Message-ID: <WALTERS.93Jun10002028@corndog.id.com> Sender: walters@corndog.id.com (Chris Walters) Organization: Intrinsic Development Corp. References: <1993Jun7.030537.21272@tetrasoft.com> <2C1400B5.7048@deneva.sdd.trw.com> <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 05:20:28 GMT In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: 8,000+ applications. Wabi gives access to tons more. Solaris has 2,000+ resellers, dozens of Intel platform vendors committed to it... C'mon, this is blatant garbage. 8,000+ listed apps, very few of which have been ported to Solaris 2.[12]. _Everyone_ I talk to is scared of the migration to Solaris 2.2. Damn scared. Just go read the Solaris and Sun admin news groups for a while. What ever happened to Bill Joy? How much emphasis does he have in the strategic direction of Sun these days? Where or where are the Distributed Objects Everywhere? Funny. We've had the fastest growth of any Fortune 1000 company in the past 5 years...let's see...that's since 1988! Seems like customers are pretty happy, even if you're not... Again, I think you are reading the wrong news group. Check out the Sun groups, where the customers are complaining, and have been for a while. "overtaken"...see above. We were never #1 in raw performance, but as you point out, people buy machines for a lot more reasons...otherwise, Intel would be a trivia item for the Computer Bowl. Absolutely, which is why many of us bought NeXT cubes even when they weren't the fastest machines on the planet. Suns are great. Stick 'em in the back room, and let them be a server. But if you put them on a desktop for your average business user, you are making a major mistake. Business users need a kindler, gentler interface like NEXTSTEP. -- Chris -- Chris Walters 10600 Arrowhead Dr., Suite 350 RDR, Inc. Oakton, VA 22030 walters@rdr.com (703)591-8713,(703)273-8170 FAX ------------------------- Hack Naked --------------------------
From: koenig@franz.ww.tu-berlin.de (Andreas Koenig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Q: Finding specific NextUserGroups, how? Date: 10 Jun 1993 11:11:51 GMT Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Message-ID: <1v74to$mgk@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> I have been searching in the FAQ, but I could not find out, if there are some NeXT-User-Groups in Italy. How should I proceed to find out, or does anybody know of such groups? Thanks for any pointer... Andreas -- Andreas Koenig koenig@franz.ww.TU-Berlin.DE PHONE: +49 30 314 26529 Tech. Univ. Berlin FAX: +49 30 314 23249 Dept of Economics ===============NeXTmail welcome================
From: gumby@tweedledumb.cygnus.com (D V Henkel-Wallace) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: A letter to Wolfram Research Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Date: 10 Jun 93 07:30:27 Organization: Cygnus Support, Cambridge, MA USA Message-ID: <GUMBY.93Jun10073027@tweedledumb.cygnus.com> References: <1993Jun9.165855.7301@julian.uwo.ca> In-reply-to: kinch@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca's message of Wed, 9 Jun 1993 16:58:55 GMT I don't know much about WR, but in their defense it isn't always as easy as you think to make these things clear-cut. Price changes aren't often planned way in advance, and their call-tracking records may likely have no trivial way to contact previous callers who might have an interest -- even if they had the time to call back every caller! In fact it sounded like their support person tried hard to save you money by asking you to wait for the latest & greatest rather than taking your money right away for two copies of an almost-obsolete upgrade.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: Re: Image Editing on NS/FIP? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.125540.14059@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. References: <kurtwwC8E0G3.F9E@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 12:55:40 GMT In article <kurtwwC8E0G3.F9E@netcom.com> kurtww@netcom.com (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) writes: > Someone in one of the other groups mentioned seeing a product > called TIFFany at NWE, but I can't remember where I saw it. I'd > be curious to know more info about it (like a contact at the > company?), or if anyone else is doing Photoshop-like editing on a > NeXT. I called Adobe, but they have no concrete plans to port > Photoshop to NS/FIP "unless it takes off." Seems to me that's > sorta counter-productive, but who am I to say. > > Kurt For distribution and ordering information on our imaging software, TIFFany, you may call benchMark Developments, Inc. @ 606-276-3983. For orders, dial 1-800-872-3131. Those of you with email, may send email to info@bmd.com. -- Neil Greene President, benchMark Developments, Inc. [NeXT VAR] President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. North American, TIFFany Distributor
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: New FSPreferences modules on the archives Message-ID: <1993Jun10.134202.2544@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. References: <1993Jun10.132459.2373@FreemanSoft.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 13:42:02 GMT I have uploaded a new version of the FSPreferences package. It is in pub/next/submissions as file FSPreferences.pkg.tar-2. It fixes a bug an interaction problem with the defaults database that would crash FSSoundPanel. Anyone who downloaded the earlier version can either download the newer package, or add at least one application to FSAutoLaunch. Alternately, they can drop me an email asking for the newer version. Of course then I would know who hadn't paid their shareware fees. :-O > There is a new version of the FSPreferences modules on cs.orst.edu. > (Currently in pub/next/submissions) Each of these modules runs from > inside the preferences application and appear in the scrolling module are > along with all the usual preferences modules. > > These modules require 3.1 to run. (ie: fat bundles don't work under 3.0) > > FSAutoLaunch > launches applications on login without the use of the dock. > > > FSDefaultsManager > allows the editing of defaults without requiring > yet another application > > FSSoundPanel > associates sounds with different workspace functions: > application launch / quit > media insert / eject > workspace login -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. Joe@FreemanSoft.com 919.783.7033
From: mek@guinan.psu.edu (Mark E. Kotanchek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HP, NeXTSTEP, engineers, and scientists Date: 10 Jun 1993 14:07:37 GMT Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Message-ID: <1v7f79$plg@genesis.ait.psu.edu> Hi folks, I sent the following note to Greg Anderson as well as copying it to the SNUG (Science NeXT Users Group). The note was in response to Greg's query regarding the HP - NeXT coupling and its implications for scientists and engineers. Subsequently, it was suggested that I also post it here. Enjoy, Mark. Hi Greg, Here at Penn State's Applied Research Lab, NeXTSTEP has generated quite a bit of interest as people have seen the type of work I accomplish with my NeXTstation. As a matter of fact, one fellow had just received his completely signed-off requisition for a NeXT Color Turbo when NeXT got out of the hardware business. (Choosing the NeXT over a SPARC 10 or an HP PA-RISC machine!) He's now sitting on his requisition waiting for something to settle regarding the ports. (We'll also probably be getting a fair number of copies of NS/I since there a slew of machines scattered about which meet the hardware compatibility requirements -- IF we can get the required software tools.) That said, the big concerns AGAINST going with NeXTSTEP is the absence of MATLAB (or an equivalent program like MATRIXx) and now the new revelation that FrameMaker may not be ported to NeXTSTEP on non-68040 hardware. Therefore, I'll request that in your communications, that you encourage a port of these two "mission-critical for engineers" apps. I'd also like to have Mathematica ported -- but I can live with Maple. I'd actually prefer that MATRIXx be ported over MATLAB since the MathWorks people don't seem to be interested much in platforms other than MS-DOS running windows or Suns running X. Incidentally, of the five elected officers of the Central PA section of the IEEE in the 1992-93 season, three had NeXTstations. I've got my Mac tied via the serial port to my NeXT and use the mac to run MATLAB and the NeXT for everything else (FrameMaker, Diagram, Mathematica, Concurrence, Create, NewsGrazer, Mail, etc.). The second uses his (home) machine for his masters research in Computer Engineering work and documentation (and putting out the chapter newsletter) while he uses his office SPARCstation for Ada-based embedded systems code development. The third uses his HP PA-RISC for his algorithm research in cyclostationary signals and uses the NeXT for the writing, analysis, and such associated with being a young professor. As you can see, NeXT has made a penetration into the engineering world; however, we don't have the complete suite of tools required for the NeXT to be our sole computer (which is what I would prefer). Therefore, I would contend that NeXT needs to have a complete toolbox before the majority of the engineering world can adopt "the one true OS" since most engineers don't have the luxury of auxiliary computers to compensate for the NeXT deficiencies! That said, I'll keep my NeXT over my mac since I consider a "real" operating system and a consistent imaging model to be critical to accomplishing my work -- and that is something which is not offered by Mac, Windows, or X-Windows. Mark. -- Mark Kotanchek Guidance & Control Dept - 363 ASB Applied Research Lab/Penn State P.O. Box 30 State College, PA 16804
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection (Unix systems sold?) Date: 10 Jun 1993 13:24:05 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1v7cll$aq9@hermes.athena.com> References: <m17kpmINN7me@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> In article <m17kpmINN7me@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > > >Todd Bernhard (toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM) wrote: > >As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far #1 UNIX [..] > > > >David L. Williams (dlw@netcom.com) writes: > >I thought HP was #1 in total sales of Unix systems sold? > > hardly. see below...from International Data Corp, April 1993. > Jobs referred to that at NeXTworld Expo, being careful to > use the 'revenue' disclaimer, which includes HP Laserjets!!! > On *system* revenue, the percentages are similar to below. > > > 1992 UNIT SHIPMENTS > > VENDOR UNITS % OF UNITS > ====== ======= ========== > SUN 215,700 38.3 > HP 96,300 17.1 > DEC 67,956 12.1 > IBM 41,355 7.3 > > and the rest are below 5%. I was the one who started this thread. I never intended to start a Sun bashing session. Sun has fine hardware. They have lead the way (not necessarily the leader at all times, but always in the front of the pack) with technology. They have sold a lot of boxes into their marketplace. My argument was/is as follows: The computing marketplace is bifurcating into chip manufacturers that manufacture the CPU's and support chips and software manufacturers that produce the operating system software that runs the machines. These will be the profitable sectors in the marketplace over the next 10+ years. Companies that manufacture computer hardware and bundle an O/S as in a commodities business and they will be operating on ever-slimmer margins. So, the shoot-out will be for the CPU architecture and for the O/S that sits on top of the CPU. Sun's SPARC architecture is getting a little long in the tooth. Intel's Pentium is similar in performance and will force Sun to lower the prices of their workstations. Intel has hundreds (and possibly thousands) of companies producing machines from x86 family chips. Sun has about a dozen. It's likely that Intel sells more '486 chips in a day than Sun sells SPARC chips in a year. Sun will have to do a lot of catching up in terms of market penetration in order to rival Intel in CPU sales. Sun will have to spend a lot on R&D to keep up with the fastest RISC chips. Sun does not have a serious Operating Environment offering. Solaris is not technically very good. It has not sold well, except to previous Sun customers. Sun does not have half a dozen solid reference accounts using Solaris for core business applications (e.g., Chrysler, McCaw, Swiss Bank, WilTel, US Air Force, and First National Bank of Chicago). Without a serious O/E offering, Sun will be making boxes based on proprietary chips. As DEC has found out, this is a rough game to be playing in, considering that a guy in Taiwan with a wave soldering machine can turn out a "standard" board with 80% of the computing power of a Sun for about 70% of the costs, the guy in Taiwan does not have to invest in R&D and his over-head is very low. What I'm saying is that we saw a swift and radical fall of IBM, DEC, Wang, etc. Sun will be next. Yes, they are still market leaders today, but Sun has nothing that distinguishes them from hundreds of vendors. Flame Away!! David
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection (Unix systems sold?) Date: 10 Jun 1993 13:30:26 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Message-ID: <1v7d1i$as2@hermes.athena.com> References: <1v7cll$aq9@hermes.athena.com> In article <1v7cll$aq9@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: > In article <m17kpmINN7me@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd > Bernhard) writes: > > > > >Todd Bernhard (toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM) wrote: > > >As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far #1 UNIX [..] > > > I forgot to add the following to my prior post: All of this is not to say that "NeXT will slay Sun, the mother of all workstation manufacturers," but to say that NeXT has its set of problems that it has faced by focusing on its best asset: NEXTSTEP. Sun is not focused and seems to be trying to take on Intel and Microsoft. Sun will lose if they go for both. Sun may succeed (just as NeXT may succeed against Microsoft) if Sun focuses its effort on one side of the equation. No one vendor can provide all the components of an open system. Sun is trying to do just that. David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mnb2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Mark Nathan Broadie) Subject: Program for faster file copy to /DOS Message-ID: <1993Jun10.134451.19560@news.columbia.edu> Sender: Mark Broadie Organization: Columbia University Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 13:44:51 GMT Does anyone know of a public domain program to copy files from a NeXT to a DOS floppy faster than the usual copy under NeXTSTEP? When I copy a large file, e.g., >500K, the copy time can be very long (>3 minutes). I have a NeXTstation running NS 2.1. I know that similar programs exist for other UNIX machines. Thanks in advance for any pointers. mark broadie mnb2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: Anwar.Mohammed@cs.cmu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Upgrade Issues Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 10:18:50 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <gg5o=_S00ggF0E9m5S@cs.cmu.edu> References: <1993Jun5.183412.22363@macc.wisc.edu> <1uqtb9$a5t@steffi.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1uqtb9$a5t@steffi.demon.co.uk> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 5-Jun-93 Re: 3.1 Upgrade Issues Robert Nicholson@steffi. (1257) The key thing in 3.1 for me is bug fixes and most importantly better documentation, especially for the DBKit and I think there is a new concepts on line or a broken down one at least. It's a significant upgrade for programmers. Yes, but bug fixes should be FREE (modulo media costs). I'm pissed that I'm paying twice for software just to get it working and performing properly. -anwar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) Subject: Re: NS3.0 on a 68030 cube. Comments? Message-ID: <C8Eu0p.G0C@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <swekla.739221074@ee.ualberta.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 14:38:49 GMT In article <swekla.739221074@ee.ualberta.ca> swekla@ee.ualberta.ca (Brent Swekla) writes: > I have just had a 68030 cube arrive on the doorstep and was > wondering if anybody still saddled with such a beast is actually > running 3.0. If you are and have any concise, pertinent comments > to share (bugs, annoyances, etc) I could use all the info I can get. You kidding? I've got 10 of them! It works pretty well, but can get slow if you use too much VM. The main reason we upgraded all our machines is that NetInfo is >much< faster under 3.0 than it was under 2.x, and our passwd and groups databases are so big that we were suffering. If you've got a lot of accounts or work mostly from terminals (real or virtual), this is a big win. If you can, put some more memory in your machine. Ours have 16MB (so do our '040 machines) and work OK, but I'm sure they'd be a lot better with more. For those who have tried NXBench, one of our '030 lab machines checks in at 0.33, I think, about a third the graphics speed of an '040 cube. The heavily loaded (but '040) nova only scores 0.50, so I've gotten used to crawling, I suppose. As far as installation and bugs go, I think 3.0 is fine. In general, I like it better than 2.1 and haven't had much trouble with it. Our '030 machines hardly ever have trouble. In fact, the only machine I run that goes down unexpectedly is everyone's friend sonata, which is an '040 cube. ab
From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Academic Bundle or Evaluation Kit?? Message-ID: <93Jun06.054153.42442@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: 6 Jun 93 05:41:53 GMT References: <TAN.93Jun3222835@moccasin.cs.wisc.edu> <1993Jun5.163811.6686@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Distribution: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > > Could someone tell me what's included in the two packages? I > > need to decide which to get. Thanks, > The Evaluation Kit doesn't include a free upgrade to 3.2. OK, > but what will the price of 3.2 then be? $2790.00 Yes, I'm serious. That's what I was told by NeXT is that the evaluation kit is JUST THAT. It lets you evaluate the software for less than three hundred dollars. If you like it enough to want to keep working with it, you buy a whole new version. You don't even get credit for the original $295. > What about the upgrade to 4.0? I'd assume it's not going to be any better. There is NO upgrade policy of any kind. -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 10:16:19 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93161.101619U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Image Editing on NS/FIP? References: <kurtwwC8E0G3.F9E@netcom.com> In article <kurtwwC8E0G3.F9E@netcom.com>, kurtww@netcom.com (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) says: > >Someone in one of the other groups mentioned seeing a product >called TIFFany at NWE, but I can't remember where I saw it. I'd >be curious to know more info about it (like a contact at the >company?), or if anyone else is doing Photoshop-like editing on a >NeXT. I called Adobe, but they have no concrete plans to port >Photoshop to NS/FIP "unless it takes off." Seems to me that's >sorta counter-productive, but who am I to say. > >Kurt TIFFany has to be one of the most exciting products to be released for NEXTSTEP in a while. Finally, image editing software that isn't a complete hog (we won't name names) and is a supported, stable package (as opposed to Icon). Now I don't want to cut down Icon.app - I do a _lot_ of image editing and I'm still using Icon under 3.0 - but TIFFany is just incredible. Here is a condensed list of features from bMD's literature: Morphing: image interpolation Image Warping: rotate/blend/stretch - animation support Color correction: saveable Filtering: more than 40 - burn in, emboss, shake, diffusion, sharpen... Manual image editing functions: pen, airbrush, fill, cloning... Image noise reduction: to correct noise caused by video, scanning... Resizing: 6 different algorithms Image Statistics: size, colorspace, memory usage, histogram... Halftone: 8 halftone algorithms Flexible area selection: rectangle, polygon, variably thick polygon edges Image compositions: 10 mixing modes Powerful image processing functions: (too many to list) Separation: CMYK, TIFF, CMYKA-TIFF, separate grayscale planes... Color shielding: (masking) arbitrary color ranges protected from operations Video support: video snapshots (w/ND). Fast image grabbing (w/noise redux) Module interface: develop your own modules and manual tools. And this is just TIFF1 - wait until TIFF2! bMD was demoing TIFF2 at NEXPO, and it looks the developers have added lots of great features and enhanced existing ones. I think that there's a demo of TIFFany on the archives (not sure exactly where) that you can play with to get the feel of this cool package. Check out their great interpretation of the color wheel (enhanced even further in TIFF2). Anyway, I am in no way associated with bMD beyond the fact that I think they're great guys who are publishing a great product. (Call that my disclaimer.) Order info: benchMark Developments, Inc. (bMD) 2040 Regency Rd. Suite C Lexington, KY 40503 1.800.872.3131 orders 606.276.3983 info 606.254.4864 fax info@bmd.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 11:01:40 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93161.110140U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Image editing on NS/FIP (OOOPS) Sorry, didn't mean to post an anonymous letter. I don't have a .sig on my VMS account. Anyway - Re: my post about TIFFany -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu (NeXTmail) ideaLABS (NeXT-based multiple media production house)
From: ssietz@aramis.rutgers.edu (Steven Sietz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTDimension Problem Keywords: help Message-ID: <Jun.10.13.32.56.1993.19254@aramis.rutgers.edu> Date: 10 Jun 93 17:32:56 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Noticed this morning that our NextDimension Cube put the loginwindow on the monochrome monitor and no longer recognized the color screen. I tried playing around with the Preferences to make the loginwindow appear on the color but it never saved the configuration. I then "removed" the NextDimension from the Preferences section and now it won't recognize it any more! Looking at the system error messages at bootup, I noticed the following: Jun 10 08:44:59 everglades mach: NeXTdimension board present in Slot 2 Jun 10 08:44:59 everglades WindowServer: Problem starting the NeXTdimension.psdrvr driver. Continuing. Any suggestions? -Steve Sietz- -- Steven Sietz | Internet: ssietz@cs.rutgers.edu 77A West Bluebell Lane | uucp: {backbone}!rutgers!cs.rutgers.edu!ssietz Mount Laurel, NJ 08054 |
From: anderson (Ken Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: statd on a NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.150822.5961@biztech.com> Date: 10 Jun 93 15:08:22 GMT References: <1v5ci2$hbh@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. In article <1v5ci2$hbh@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes: I notice that there is no NFS statd on our NeXT systems running 2.x or 3.x. Is there an equivalent to it anywhere, or perhaps a reason why it was left out? I'm not familiar with what statd does, however, there is a program called nfsstat that offers many NFS statistics. Ken Anderson anderson@biztech.com Stamford, CT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson (Ken Anderson) Subject: Re: NWE NOIR auction Message-ID: <1993Jun10.150947.6019@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <1227@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 15:09:47 GMT In article <1227@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: What I want to know is, who on earth is NOIR and what are they doing with the tens of thousands of dollars of proceeds?!? Is there any accounting of this for the people who donate stuff? Maybe I'll run an auction next year. Just donate yer stuff to me, and I'll sell it and keep the proceeds. Glenn, A number of people I know call it the vanishing user group. I'll go in with you on that auction... Ken
From: crespo@vcd.hp.com (Ivan Crespo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: New dumb NS user... Message-ID: <CRESPO.93Jun10105827@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> Date: 10 Jun 93 18:58:27 GMT Article-I.D.: hpvclic.CRESPO.93Jun10105827 Sender: news@vcd.hp.com (News user) Organization: HP Vancouver Division Vancouver,WA Ok NeXT gurus, I just got NEXTSTEP running on an HP Vectra but since I'm not a Unix Sys. Admin. and our local ones know nothing about this machine I have a few questions: - What is the best way to connect a single Next to a network of other machines? I did this using SimpleNetworkStart and I got the local alias and host info using 'niload' and it seems to work ok, but I'm having problems setting up mail so I can send stuff oustide this division. I tried setting up a mailhost using HostManager but when I add the alias to a machine I am not able to save it. - Soon I'll probably have a machine at home, I would like to have access to e-mail and the net in general from there, what is the best way of doing that? - Is there a problem with the screen saver timer? It seems to be stuck at 30 min. and there is no way I can change it, also it doesn't seem to work when I'm logged in but idle. - Is the demo program CDPlayer.app supposed to play music CD's? Every time I put a music CD in it just gets kicked out... Any pointers to documents or books are greatly appreciated, is there such a thing as 'Answers To Stupid Questions From New NS Users"? I know about nextanswers but so far I did not get anything that went into the kind of detail that I need. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place... Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ivan F. Crespo Tel: (206) 944-2815 email: crespo@vcd.hp.com usmail: Hewlett Packard P.O. Box 8906 Vancouver, WA 98684
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: NWE NOIR auction Message-ID: <1993Jun10.145158.2011@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <1227@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 14:51:58 GMT In article <1227@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: > > What I want to know is, who on earth is NOIR and what are they > doing with the tens of thousands of dollars of proceeds?!? > > Is there any accounting of this for the people who donate stuff? > > Maybe I'll run an auction next year. Just donate yer stuff to me, > and I'll sell it and keep the proceeds. I asked someone this at Expo too, and got looks that read as if I'd just asked to sleep with their mother. I know NOIR is meant to be an umbrella organisation for NeXT User groups, but they only appear to make any noise at the Expos, and appear to have amassed a bunch of money. Aside from the fact that anyone who is sad enough to spend hundreds of dollars on non-working NeXT casings doesn't deserve the money, it would be nice to know where its going/gone. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? - Mail+ Message-ID: <1993Jun10.145840.2090@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <1993Jun9.223436.4394@almserv.uucp> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 14:58:40 GMT In article <1993Jun9.223436.4394@almserv.uucp> s5untj@fnma.com (Neele Johnston) writes: > In article <1993Jun6.092911.5030@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave > Griffiths) writes: > > No need to be overly cautious. Mark Chamberlain of Xexos told us a while > back > > of the Mail app they were developing. > > I just started following this thread, and I've seen several > references to Mark Chamberlain's mail app. Does anyone know > how to contact Mark, or Xexos? We have a .com address (thanks to an office in Houston), but all the work is currently done in London. British internet connections aren't as good as US ones, so mail can take some time getting to us. Xexos is finishing an application called Mail+ that enhances and extends the NeXTMail idea, yet retaining backward and (presumably) forward compatability with NeXT. It retains almost all of the look-and-feel of Mail.app, is more useful when it comes to implementing NeXTMail on a wide-scale, and is very extensible via an API - dynamically loadable modules that perform mail encoding and encryption, and things like address-table lookups. As part of this, we hope to ship Mail+ with modules that perform ccMail and MIME format encoding. Details, beta requests, POs, suggestions, ideas or otherwise to mailplus@xexos.com. If you've already mailed me, and receieved an acknowledgement, then I know who you are and you'll hear from us further soon and you don't need to mail again. Very few people have mailed us with ideas or wishlists. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jfr@RedBrick.COM (Jon Rosen) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.184852.11570@RedBrick.COM> Sender: usenet@RedBrick.COM (Net News Account) Organization: Red Brick Systems, Los Gatos, CA References: <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> <1993Jun4.091942.183@elysia.fdn.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 18:48:52 GMT In article <1993Jun4.091942.183@elysia.fdn.org> luis@elysia.fdn.org writes: >In article <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com >(Matthew Dillon) writes: >> >> The 3.1 license says the following: >> >> 6. PRINTING >>[gratuitous but probably understandable explitives deleted] > >At one of the developer s conferences at NeXTWORLD EXPO, a lawyer speaking >on software protection stated that shrink-wrap licenses are basically not >binding and probably don t hold up in court. So I would go ahead and use >whatever printer you feel like using. Probably the same lawyer who will come ambulance chasing to "offer" you his services when you violate a shrink-wrap agreement and then get sued, or worse, arrested. There have, in fact, been many cases of shrink-wrap agreements being upheld both in civil cases AND in criminal software piracy cases. There are ways to make the agreement binding, as long as the purchaser has rights to "get out" of the agreement prior to "executing it" by opening the package, and if the terms are not unconscionable in the opinion of the court. While I agree that the likelihood of seriously being tracked down and sued is pretty small, I think it is absolute idiocy to put out over the net the opinion that people should just go ahead and violate contractual provisions because some unnamed lawyer at a conference "said so". And I think it is even more idiotic for someone else to follow that advice. Just my $.02. Jon Rosen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: Image Editing on NS/FIP? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.180019.6354@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <kurtwwC8E0G3.F9E@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 18:00:19 GMT In article <kurtwwC8E0G3.F9E@netcom.com> kurtww@netcom.com (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) writes: > Someone in one of the other groups mentioned seeing a product > called TIFFany at NWE, but I can't remember where I saw it. I'd > be curious to know more info about it (like a contact at the > company?), or if anyone else is doing Photoshop-like editing on a > NeXT. I called Adobe, but they have no concrete plans to port > Photoshop to NS/FIP "unless it takes off." Seems to me that's > sorta counter-productive, but who am I to say. > > Kurt TIFFany by Caffeine Software is advertised in NeXTWorld magazine, you can reach them at info@bmd.com, or caffeine@caffeine.ch, or call 1 800 872 3131 You can also try Pinnacle Research, they have a program called WetPaint (wetpaint@pri.com for info) which is very nice. -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...It's long overdue... Message-ID: <1993Jun10.161909.11735@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 16:19:09 GMT Would some kind soul at NeXT, please please please release a fat binary (MAB) of NewsGrazer? Or better yet, release the source as gift to humanity. Many people have asked for it and noone has responded. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) Subject: Re: NeXT Step on other 68K machines? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.211833.23740@seas.smu.edu> Sender: news@seas.smu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas References: <1993Jun7.184710.23385@nicmad.uucp> <C8B8sC.D7F@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 21:18:33 GMT In article <C8B8sC.D7F@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: >In article <1993Jun7.184710.23385@nicmad.uucp> robinson@nicmad.uucp (Dennis >Robinson - Summer Intern) writes: >#I was sitting around thinking of the beauty of the NeXT step >#OS when I thought about some computer owners who'd love to >#own NeXT step and would definately open the market for it. >#I'm a PC clone user in the meantime but plan on adding Moto 68k >#based machine to the family. I have proposed that NeXT step should >#be ported to the following machines: ># >#Amiga '030 based and above >#Macintosh '030 and above (runs side by side with Mac OS somehow) >#HP Apollo '040 based machines >#i386 based suns (orphans nowadays) >#Maybe even 68k atari's > >'030 hardware is too slow. i386 hardware is even slower. 68K Atari machines >are waaaaaaayyyyy ttoooooooooo slooooowwwwwww. > >I could see porting to an Amiga 4000 or one of the '040 Macs. It should >not be ported to anyhting less than an i486 or '040. It already had a >reputation for running slow. We don't need that again. > >Kent >-- >/* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ >/* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */ Doesn't Atari make 68040 25Mhz machines? I think they even have the Moto 56001 (ring a bell) included as standard. I cant remember the name of the computer off the top of my head though. Is Atari even around any more? I pass by the Dallas office every other day. The capital "A" fell off there their yard sign about three monthes ago. Haven't seen it replaced, though I have not seen a "for lease" sign in their window either...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...It's long overdue... Message-ID: <1993Jun10.224130.23615@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jun10.161909.11735@hot.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 22:41:30 GMT Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes > Would some kind soul at NeXT, please please please release a fat > binary (MAB) of NewsGrazer? Or better yet, release the source as > gift to humanity. Many people have asked for it and noone has > responded. Wasn't the whole fuss over NewsGrazer due to developers complaining it was encroaching on their turf? So where are these developers writing NS newsreaders? If none is working on such a beast, I say give out the source code! -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: NeXT laser and a 486 Message-ID: <1993Jun10.203037.379@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 20:30:37 GMT Is there any way to hook a next laser to a 486. Is anyone working on a card and driver? thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> Subject: Printing faxes Message-ID: <1993Jun10.194958.6325@proponent.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Proponent Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 19:49:58 GMT Is there any way to configure a NS 2.1 system so that any faxes that come in are automatically printed? Thanks. -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
From: antoine@arrakis.osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: MIME NEXTMAIL? - Mail+ Message-ID: <1993Jun10.232516.11295@cerberus.ulaval.ca> Date: 10 Jun 93 23:25:16 GMT References: <1993Jun10.145840.2090@xexos.com> Sender: news@cerberus.ulaval.ca Organization: Universite Laval >From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Organization: Xexos, Ltd>(London) > >Xexos is finishing an application called Mail+ that enhances and >extends the NeXTMail idea, yet retaining backward and (presumably) >forward compatability with NeXT. It retains almost all of the >look-and-feel of Mail.app, is more useful when it comes to >implementing NeXTMail on a wide-scale, and is very extensible via >an API - dynamically loadable modules that perform mail encoding >and encryption, and things like address-table lookups. As part of >this, we hope to ship Mail+ with modules that perform ccMail and >MIME format encoding. > >Very few people have mailed us with ideas or wishlists. -- Here are a few: -1- Try to use the window space as efficiently as possible; the NeXTMail window wastes a lot of space (huge buttons you hardly ever use). -2- Get the adress-book more ergonomic, right now it is easier to edit.app ./.NeXT/mailalias. -3- Include several signature options. (you may look at TickleServer for ideas of good utilities). -4- The regular/NeXTmail toggle is VERY unintuitive, a menu or check-square would be much better. Cheers! Antoine
From: lwake@runcible.West.Sun.COM (Larry Wake) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Date: 10 Jun 1993 18:20:00 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, San Diego, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v7u0gINNt4l@west.West.Sun.COM> References: <WALTERS.93Jun10002028@corndog.id.com> In article 93Jun10002028@corndog.id.com, walters@id.com (Chris Walters) writes: >_Everyone_ I talk to is scared of >the migration to Solaris 2.2. Damn scared. "Imminent death of Sun predicted." (By the way, contrary to the prediction from the guy with the friend "in the know" at Sun, have you noticed we're still in the desktop business? As matter of fact, we introduced new desktop products sometime within days of the predicted date of our abandonment of that market...) Everyone was scared -- damn scared -- of the migration to: * SunOS 4.x from 3.x * SPARC from Moto * X11 from Sunview * SBus from VME These all turned out to be Good Things in the end, most people would agree. The "fear factor" of the Solaris 1 to Solaris 2 conversion was not a surprise; Sun has expected that the transition would take a while to complete, but there are good things at the end of it. I'm in front of real live customers every day, and am well aware of the concerns and complaints -- MOST of which are from people who have never touched a Solaris 2 system, but heard horrible things "from a friend" who often had never touched it either. Some people are basing their experiences on Solaris 2.0 (2.2 is the current version), others are basing it on experience with another implementation of SVR4, or the worst, SVR3 or earlier. As people find out that the MP cooks, that Solaris 2 has some pretty cool new utilities, that the BSDisms are there, that system administration isn't worse -- just different and often better (sacadm possibly excepted :-), that the ports to Solaris 2 are coming with increasing frequency, that public domain stuff really does compile, that there's a free C compiler to be had that's better than the 4.1.3 bundled compiler, and that end users generally don't *care* what flavor of UNIX is behind it all as long as their stuff runs, they calm down. It's Yet Another Transition, the hallmark of the computer industry. Remember that on the net, complaints get amplified by 10, and compliments get squelched by 100. I know people who still think that SunOS 3.2 and Sunview were the "good old days," so I suspect we'll keep hearing complaints for a while, but I think most people make the move -- in their own time -- and be glad they did in the end. The only way Sun is pushing the issue is by not making new Solaris 1 dot releases to support new hardware. Otherwise, everyone can make the move at whatever speed they want. Larry Wake, Sun Microsystems San Diego field office (larry.wake@west.sun.com) "To me there's only one open system in the world -- [Microsoft] Windows." -- Steve Jobs, as quoted in FORTUNE
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gibraltar!wiley (Wiley S. Hodges) Subject: Re: 8000 Sun apps? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.235106.3307@lighthouse.com> Sender: wiley@lighthouse.com Organization: Lighthouse Design, Ltd. References: <1993Jun10.052518.19458@cs.yale.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 23:51:06 GMT In article <1993Jun10.052518.19458@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > In article <m1atnpINNl97@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd > Bernhard) writes: > > In article <1993Jun9.013446.24295@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> > aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes: > > >In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd > > >Bernhard) writes: > > >[about Sun] > > >> 8,000+ applications. > > > > > >I think that this number must be seriously bogus. If you count every shell > > >script, every utility right down to "cat", and every screwball custom app > > When I read a piece of Sun literature recently, I noticed that the 8000 app number includes DOS/Windows apps running under emulation (whether that was WABI, or just SoftPC, I don't know). Based on the same yardstick, NEXTSTEP fares pretty well... I will say that to be fair, productivity software for Solaris has progressed a bit in the last couple of years, but my general impression is that it's a pretty grim market for ordinary users. The main complaint I would have is that they still haven't figured out that 8000 apps isn't such a grand thing if only 3 of those apps can share information amongst themselves. Just another .02. --Wiley -- Wiley Hodges wiley@lighthouse.com Lighthouse Design, Ltd. NeXTMail OK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Subject: Desktop 3.0 is available. Desktop is not a fraud! Message-ID: <1993Jun11.020056.3543@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: sieu@cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 02:00:56 GMT Firstly, I am sorry for taking up the bandwidth. Someone asked if Desktop is a fraud. So, I think I have to post this article. By the way, can someone teach me how to post announcements to comp.sys.next.announce? Desktop is not a fraud. And users usually received the copy# and license# soon after they sent in the check. But a week before the Expo, I have to admit that I was thrashing. I was porting the software, negotiating with a company, preparing for the Expo and at the same time, packing up my personal belongings. I moved back to Singapore immediately after NeXTWorld Expo because I have to start working in Singapore real soon. Everything came at the same time! Anyway, I managed to demo Desktop 3.0 (fat binaries with new goodies added) during the Expo and all my belongings shipped back to Singapore. Very soon, Desktop will be distributed in US and Europe solely by a company. I believe the service and supported offered will be excellent. Meanwhile, if you really really cannot afford to wait, you can buy Desktop 3.0 directly from me at the old price -- US$30 before the company becomes the sole distributor in US and Europe. (I sincerely urge you to buy Desktop from the company instead because it will give better service and support though it may charge you a bit more). The new pricing will be available from the company shortly. I have not forgotten those who have bought copies of Desktop during the NeXTWorld Expo and in the NeXT software porting lab while I was porting Desktop. Please send me the hostid of your machine to get the copy# and license#. Lastly, I hope you could bear with me for the inconveniences caused while I moved back to Singapore. I can be reached at: Johnson Sieu Blk 361, Bukit Batok St 31 #09-457 Singapore 2365 Singapore fax/voice: 011-65-566-9195 (made possible by a fax/voice autoswitch) Singapore mail address: sieu@mailhost.scs.com.sg US mail address: sieu@cory.berkeley.edu (will expire in September) PS: 1. Please don't send checks to the P.O. Box 367 anymore. Thank you. 2. Bug report and suggestions welcomed. (NeXTmail ok but not preferred).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: 3.1 Upgrade Issues Message-ID: <1993Jun11.020322.9819@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun5.183412.22363@macc.wisc.edu> <1uqtb9$a5t@steffi.demon.co.uk> <gg5o=_S00ggF0E9m5S@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 02:03:22 GMT In article <gg5o=_S00ggF0E9m5S@cs.cmu.edu> Anwar.Mohammed@cs.cmu.edu writes: >Yes, but bug fixes should be FREE (modulo media costs). I'm pissed that >I'm paying twice for software just to get it working and performing >properly. Your free update to 3.2 will come in a box very similar to the "NEXTSTEP DEVELOPER"--except it will be labeled "NEXTSTEP FIXER" (It's a JOKE, ok???) -=EPS=-
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HP, NeXTSTEP, engineers, and scientists Date: 11 Jun 1993 03:13:01 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v8t7tINN880@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1v7f79$plg@genesis.ait.psu.edu> In article <1v7f79$plg@genesis.ait.psu.edu>, mek@guinan.psu.edu (Mark E. Kotanchek) writes: |> Hi folks, |> |> I sent the following note to Greg Anderson as well as copying it to the |> SNUG (Science NeXT Users Group). The note was in response to Greg's query |> regarding the HP - NeXT coupling and its implications for scientists and |> engineers. Subsequently, it was suggested that I also post it here. |> |> Enjoy, |> |> Mark. |> |> |> Hi Greg, |> < Stuff deleted > |> |> That said, the big concerns AGAINST going with NeXTSTEP is the absence of |> MATLAB (or an equivalent program like MATRIXx). < stuff deleted > |> |> Mark. |> |> -- |> Mark Kotanchek |> Guidance & Control Dept - 363 ASB |> Applied Research Lab/Penn State |> P.O. Box 30 |> State College, PA 16804 |> I thought the Matlab people had anounced a while ago that they were going to port to the NeXT but I think it was before NeXT killed their hardware so they may have changed their mind. Can anyone clarify this for me. john.
From: sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What to Buy. Message-ID: <1v8te0$jog@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: 11 Jun 93 03:16:16 GMT Article-I.D.: pith.1v8te0$jog Organization: University of Oregon, Eugene, Oregon Well. I have decided. After weeks of research I have deceided to purchase a nextstep machine.... Thank you for all of your help. I will be able to recieve REAL NEXT mail soon..... Steve McGrew
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...It's long overdue... Message-ID: <1229@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 11 Jun 93 04:01:45 GMT References: <1993Jun10.224130.23615@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Stefano Pagiola writes > Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes > > Would some kind soul at NeXT, please please please release a fat > > binary (MAB) of NewsGrazer? Or better yet, release the source as > > gift to humanity. Many people have asked for it and noone has > > responded. > > Wasn't the whole fuss over NewsGrazer due to developers complaining > it was encroaching on their turf? So where are these developers > writing NS newsreaders? If none is working on such a beast, I say > give out the source code! I agree. It ought to be put in the Examples directory on a system release like BackSpace. Developers can compete with a "fixed" target like an Example because it changes very rarely, and because they can use the source code if they like. The problem with competing with BackSpace was that BackSpace was enhanced rapidly and was a moving target. Making the source to NewsGrazer public would level the playing field, not to ground 0, but to the level of current NewsGrazer functionality, which would benefit everybody. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 10 Jun 93 19:59:58 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jun10.195958.6681@crash> References: <1993Jun7.030537.21272@tetrasoft.com> <2C1400B5.7048@deneva.sdd.trw.com> <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > > [...] >>And Solaris remains unattractive unless you are in the market for Unix as the >>application. Sun cannot hope to compete with the dead-end software they are >>showing on other platforms. > >8,000+ applications. Wabi gives access to tons more. Solaris has 2,000+ >resellers, dozens of Intel platform vendors committed to it... > >---todd > >-- >Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, >Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation >toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that> Todd, I gotta tell ya. We have a SPARC. Running Solaris 2.x and OpenWindows. It's in my office, along with a 486 running SCO Open Desktop, another 486 running SCO UNIX, a NeXTcube running NEXTSTEP, and a 486 running DOS. I use them all day long, but guess which one I sit in front of? Sorry, it ain't the SPARC. I have NeXT Terminal windows open and rlogin'ed into Solaris, and I use it that way. OpenWindows is so horrible I get angry just accidentally glancing at it. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see NEXTSTEP on the SPARC. Then I would probably sit in front of the SPARC screen. I'm afraid that's the only way you'll ever get me to "enjoy" using a Sun product! So, hurry up and get NEXTSTEP ported! :-) -- brian dear coconut computing, inc. la jolla, ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: Re: 8000 Sun apps? Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc. Date: 10 Jun 93 20:03:40 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jun10.200340.7771@crash> References: <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun9.013446.24295@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> <m1atnpINNl97@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> In article <m1atnpINNl97@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: >I'll be happy to mail you our phonebook-size Catalyst catalog. >---todd >-- >Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, >Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation >toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that> We're Catalyst members, and we have the phonebook-sized catalog. And we have a SPARC machine which we use all day long. But we can't STAND Solaris or OpenWindows. We access the SPARC through NEXTSTEP running on a NeXTcube. It's the only way I can tolerate that darn Solaris. I think Sun is crazy not supporting NEXTSTEP on their machines. Face it, it's better. Period. Solaris is a joke. Ok? Thank you. :-) -- brian >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: 8000 Sun apps? Message-ID: <C8Etpn.11A@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun10.052518.19458@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 14:32:10 GMT In article <1993Jun10.052518.19458@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: #In article <m1atnpINNl97@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd #Bernhard) writes: #> In article <1993Jun9.013446.24295@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> #aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes: #> >In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd #> >Bernhard) writes: #> >[about Sun] #> >> 8,000+ applications. #> > #> >I think that this number must be seriously bogus. If you count every shell #> >script, every utility right down to "cat", and every screwball custom app #> #> I'll be happy to mail you our phonebook-size Catalyst catalog. # #Which one of Sun's OS/Window combinations do those run on, Todd? Sorry, #I've lost count of how many there have been. Are those all Solaris apps, #Todd? How many of those are generic X11 apps? Almost no generic apps run under Solaris. Most sites I know if are waiting to switch because very few apps have been ported. When you talk about Sun apps you really do need to know O/S and windows system combination. When I was at Amdahl (left recently) we had not upgraded to Solaris or bought any Sparc 10s because nothing we had would run on those machines because Sun is only shipping those with Solaris. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <1230@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 11 Jun 93 04:17:09 GMT References: <1us1b2$nph@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Tin-Yau Fung writes > > I've heard a new program from RightBrain may do Baseline support. > It's called ExactlyWrite, which is file-compatible with WriteNow. I did not > see it at the expo though. Anyway, contact info@rightbrain.com for further > info. ExactlyWrite will not support the %%Baseline comment in its 1.0 incarnation. We're using the Text object, which does not support %%Baseline for included graphics. This is something NeXT needs to fix. PasteUp 2.0 *does* support the %%Baseline comment, because the text object is our own, and we had easy control over it. Rumor has it that Pages will support %%Baseline as well. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <1231@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 11 Jun 93 04:28:05 GMT References: <tlm.739382058@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Tom Marchioro writes > At NWE I had a short talk with Glenn Reid. After complimenting him on his > suit (great suit, but he looked a tad uncomfortable being in one :) Thanks :-) I don't wear a suit very often. In fact, I abandoned it in favor of our "eX NeXT" T-shirt the following day so I'd be taken more seriously as an engineer :-) > I stressed to him the value of supporting the baseline. He seemed unwilling > at first, citing the fact that the new WP is using the basic Text Object > which does not support the baselne (PasteUp has its own text object). Not so much unwilling, but unable. ExactlyWrite doesn't really have a chance to intervene in the placing of graphics into a Text object. > I was fairly persistent, and pointed out to him quite strongly that there > was no danger a TeX-o-phile liek me needed such a feature, but that lots > of other people did and it could be a boon to the community (and a selling > point for his app). By the end of the discussion he was at least thinking > about it strongly. Let's beat up on NeXT to get it into the next version of the Text object. It's only three or four lines of code, methinks. The cool thing about fixing the Text object is that ExactlyWrite and other software that uses the Text object will automatically inherit the new behavior without having to re-release the software. > Then I headed across the room and ran into Erik Sowa (another TeXie > and complete Emacs zealot :) and the conversation, verbatim, was, > ME: "Oh, I ran into Glenn Reid" > ES: "Did you tell him to support the baseline?" We already do support baseline comments in PasteUp. I agree that it's an important thing. If you need it today, get PasteUp. We'll do the best we can to support it. Heck, so far we're the *only* people that support it, so don't beat me up just yet :-) > Glenn > seems to follow these groups pretty well and I encourage anyone who would > be interested in him supporting the baselne to say so either here or by > E-mail to RightBrain. I really have the impression that if there's > a true sign of demand he'll make the effort to support it. Demand certainly helps. Please send Email if it's something you're interested in (read: would buy). My brother Russell is a Math professor at Michigan Tech and owns three NeXTs. I certainly know the importance of it. Good thing he doesn't read the net regularly, or he'd probably lobby strongly too. Bear in mind that it's still going to be a Very Simple word processor, and as soon as we add baseline support you'll start beating me up about footnotes/endnotes, cross-referencing, and the other things you need to do academic papers, and I'll tell you that we don't support them either :-) ExactlyWrite's goal in life is to become the lingua franca of NEXTSTEP documents the way WriteNow is currently. There are a lot of big businesses buying NEXTSTEP right now, not academics, not desktop publishers (sigh). We're building ExactlyWrite for the business community, for the cross- platform community (those with both black and white hardware on their nets). I don't have much time to devote even to the discussion of baselines, so please don't inundate me with mail. Better would be for someone out there who is a proponent (Phillip/Sabit?) to conduct a poll, collect the results, and send them to me digestified. If there are enough of you out there, we'll figure out some way to make it work. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <1232@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 11 Jun 93 04:37:13 GMT References: <C88pGE.IG3@utstat.toronto.edu> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Sabit Cakmak writes > In article <1993Jun7.024955.10358@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu writes: > >Sabit Cakmak (who? really Philip McDunnough) writes > >> Is there ever going to be a word processor on a NeXT that > >> has baseline support? PasteUp2.0's word processing module > >> appears to be the only program to support this. > > Due to the increase in mail I have had to go by different names. What on earth does that mean? Due to the increase in mail you have to use a different name? That doesn't make any sense to me. How do you avoid mail by using a different name, especially when the underlying address (not the full name field) is still "philip@utstat.toronto.edu"? I'll bet you that I get more mail than you do, probably by an order of magnitude, but I manage to use my own name. > I believe I was Don Fraser last week. I have to say that's one of the weirder things I've heard recently :-) Care to explain this a bit more? Maybe you're in too many peoples' kill files or something?! > Why the heck could Expressionist ( which is nowhere near as nice as EqB) + > Write Now on the Mac get the baseline right years ago? It's simple: HUGE MARKET POTENTIAL. > Isn't the NeXT > supposed to be easy to develop for? If it is then where is that simple > word processor which will support in-line equations. It's a disgrace. Hey, lighten up. You keep saying things like "disgrace" and "no excuse" and "unacceptable" just because somebody hasn't seen fit to design the software that you want to use. Software gets designed, built, and marketed based on how many copies people think they can sell. NeXT has a small penetration into the educational market, and your baseline issue is simply a small niche on the head of a pin stuck into the side of a very small niche. It's not a disgrace or unacceptable that nobody's done it. That's just the way it happens to be. > I have great confidence in Glenn Reid finally coming to the rescue with this. Your confidence is appreciated, but we're not going to do it if there's no sense in it, and at the moment, I have counted 3 people who seem interested (you, Tom Marchioro, and whoever he ran into on the Expo floor; Erik Sowa, was it?). That's not enough. And finally, NeXT is the one who needs to fix this, since it's their Text object. Our only hope would be some horrible hack that intercepted dragged-dropped graphics and fiddled with the EPS files to somehow fake support for the %%Baseline, and it would probably break as soon as they changed the Text object. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.mail.misc,alt.shenanigans Subject: Re: (we make the difference) Internet: pay per view? Message-ID: <930610.235322.9W7.rusnews.w164w@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 23:53:22 MDT References: <1993Jun5.205226.1150@stone.com> <1993Jun6.010050.27053@csus.edu> Followup-To: comp.mail.misc Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada [silly write-to-the-President-due-to-imminent-death-of-whatever deleted] eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes: > CITE REFERENCES. Otherwise this is little better than the "modem > tax" message that resurfaces every other year or so. hey - I thought that WAS the modem tax thing! :-| > The last > thing we need is a flood of messages triggered by an > unsubstantiated rumor no, that's a distant second behind the alt.shenanigans suggestion that people forge mail to there from Millie the dog. quick - how many government leaders outside the US can receive email at all? don't screw this up! [ followups outa the NeXT groups ] -- Russell Schulz russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca ersys!rschulz Shad 86c
From: eilts@late.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Hinrich Eilts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Program for faster file copy to /DOS Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 10:58:40 GMT Organization: LATE, Uni-Erlangen, Germany Message-ID: <1v9oh0E6k8@uni-erlangen.de> References: <1993Jun10.134451.19560@news.columbia.edu> mnb2@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Mark Nathan Broadie) writes: >Does anyone know of a public domain program to copy files >from a NeXT to a DOS floppy faster than the usual copy >under NeXTSTEP? When I copy a large file, e.g., >500K, the >copy time can be very long (>3 minutes). Try GNU-tar. It's free available for Unix and DOS. It's fast and You can copy with multi-media large amounts. -- Bye | G i b D O S | Hinrich Eilts | k e i n e | (e-mail: eilts@late.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de) | C h a n c e ! |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) Subject: How can I read NeXTMail on a SUN ? Message-ID: <1993Jun11.103940.13250@elysia.fdn.org> Keywords: email next sun Sender: luis@elysia.fdn.org Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 10:39:40 GMT Hello, Does anyone out there know if there is any software available so that I can send NeXTmail to my friends working on Sun workstations ? --- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon 92500 RUEIL-MALMAISON FRANCE [33] (1) 47 49 61 96 [33] (1) 47 14 99 08 fax luis@elysia.fdn.org (NeXTmail ok) -- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NASCORP Academic bundle ITEM NUMBER Message-ID: <14097@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 11 Jun 93 13:57:31 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Originator: cjp@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu I just got off the phone with NASCORP, NeXT's chosen distributor for NSI Academic bundle. The part number for this package is 9301023296. The cost is $249. Odds are your university bookstore already has an account with this company. You should be able to go to the bookstore and Just Order. If you want to find out if indeed your school has an accout with NASCORP, their phone number is 800-321-3883. Now get those purchase orders warmed up!! -- ** Casey Palowitch - cjp+@pitt.edu UWSA #570881 ** ** Networked Information Services Group / Technical Services ** ** U. of Pittsburgh Library Systems // NeXTSTEP... ** ** ...the most respected piece of software on the planet BYTE10/92 **
From: talbot@athena.mit.edu (Hugues G Talbot) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next TeX sources changes Date: 11 Jun 1993 14:30:13 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sender: talbot@athena.mit.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <1va4tlINNmg1@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Keywords: TeX, sources changes Hello everyone, Just a quick question (sorry if already asked athousand times) In the extended NeXTStep distribution, you can find an (almost complete) version of TeX. This version has a little something that makes it unique: the -v switch that allows to send the result of the text compilation to TeXView as it is being compiled. Now I need to use a slighly different version of TeX, called MlTeX which allows multi-language documents (French, German, English...), with the correct settings for each of these languages. One can find the source for MlTeX in the Public Domain, but I was unable to find anywhere what NeXT did change to it to allow the -v switch to operate. That means that if you compile a 100 pages document you have to wait quite a long time to see the first pages.. Does someone know about the NeXT changes ? are they PD, can one find them somewhere ? did someone run into this problem before ? If you know something please help a poor PhD student writing his thesis in French ! Thanks. H.T. talbot@cmm.ensmp.fr talbot@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Is 3.1 worth it? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.130245.12446@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 13:02:45 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <1993Jun06.220451.19212@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <1993Jun06.220451.19212@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> writes: > > So, is there any reason for me to update to 3.1? New features? New > > applications? Less bugs? More speed? > > Cross-Compiling > Multi-Architecture Binaries > New Header Viewer > Fewer bugs > 10%-15% speed increase > Free 3.2 upgrade <-------- your fault if you beleive it -:) > > There's more but those are the biggies > Free upgrades? Now that NeXT is a software company? Or will 3.2 be the kind 'last' donation to the black community? -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch ( if all fails try frank@urz.unibas.ch )
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Taligent/PowerPC info Date: 7 Jun 1993 15:01:08 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uvl7k$kc@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1993Jun5.105605.14681@prim> Keywords: Taligent In article <1993Jun5.105605.14681@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: | In article <1uomd7$bcg@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: | >Our local IBM salesman gave a presentation on Taligent and PowerPC yesterday, | >so I thought I'd pass along what he said: | > | >Initial PowerPC systems (based on the 601 chip) will ship January 1994, | >with 603, 604, and 620 systems over the following year or so. Estimated | >increase in power: 620 about 3 times the 601. | > | >The OS kernel is Mach 3, which is object-oriented. Quoth he, "NeXTSTEP is | >object-oriented but the underlying OS isn't; Taligent will be." | | What's more object-oriented about Mach 3 over Mach 2.5? I thought the main | difference was just the unix stuff moving out into a server. | | >On top of that will be AIX, OS/2, NT, System 7, Solaris, or NeXTSTEP. | | What about Taligent? :-) This is puzzling. If it's based on Mach 3 and lets | you run all those OS flavours, what _is_ Taligent exactly? | | Dave Griffiths My understanding is that Taligent is the Mach 3 OS kernel, Motif, PC emulator, etc. level; the "on top of that" stuff listed above is what the user thinks is the OS. Kinda reminds me of the BSD interface on top of Mach in NeXTSTEP! -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Help !!!! Where is HSD? Date: 7 Jun 1993 15:19:58 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uvmau$npt@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <1993Jun7.125929.12346@urz.unibas.ch> In article <1993Jun7.125929.12346@urz.unibas.ch> writes: > In article <1unnfd$ce4@fermat.mayo.edu> writes: > > In article <thompsonC8360I.6sB@netcom.com> thompson@netcom.com (Eric > Thompson) > > writes: > > > >>What happened to HSD? > > > >> > > HSD-U.S. is in a state of flux. I talked with Dave Peter, formerly the > > President of the US division, on the floor, and he has indeed left HSD for > some > > time off and a new job in San Diego. The other top tech at HSD (Kevin?) has > > also left. > > > > Dave says the company will still exist in the U.S., but I can't remember if > > people have been identified/hired to keep the shop going. > > Hey, wait a minute. This sounds like HSD is also present some other place. > Anybody know where? I'd be VERY interested. HSD is a German Company From my OCR servant manual: HSD GmbH Kurfurstendamm 66 W-1000 Berlin 15 Germany phone 030/88 10 81 FAX 030/883 90 84 I don't know if any other HSD organization did any NeXT work... I do know a lot of the scanner expertise is German-based. -- - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rob@polestar.facl.mcgill.ca (Robert Macfarlane) Subject: NS/FIP compat. guide--ASCII version Message-ID: <1993Jun7.151730.26177@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 15:17:30 GMT Hi all, Those of you without NeXTMail or FTP access can now get an ASCII version of the compatibility guide (dated June 3) by sending mail with subject '1157 ASCII' to nextanswers@next.com. I think it's a bit too long to post. --rob
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Message-ID: <1993Jun7.172808.23961@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Jun7.083425.2367@prim> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 17:28:08 GMT Re: Hardware vs. Software compainies. > Dave Griffiths writes >> In article <1993Jun6.193209.3023@millennium.com> jayson@millennium.com >> writes: >>> The problem is that Sun is a hardware company trying to do >>> software. They have the wrong culture for creating software >>> anyone would want to use. > Wasn't that the case with NeXT until just recently? ;-) Actually, I think NeXT was always a software company at heart that just tried to do hardware. > Not sure it's a fair comment about Sun. A few years ago they > were the amongst the leaders in Unix software. They invented NFS > (which maybe proves your point :-), vnodes (OO in tne Unix > kernel!), a postscript windowing system called News, Remote > Procedure Calls, and much more. Sun has also done an amazing turnaround recently. While Motif may not be the best UI (far from it!) it's an improvement over OpenLook. And trading NeWS for Display PostScript - well... if you couldn't discern how happy I am over that, you're antenna is out of whack ;-). Hopefully, they can mold NFS into something useable over the next few years. And hopefully they'll take a look at not keeping Solaris so stricly SysV (ick!). Yeah, hardware companies don't usually have the ability to do good software. Which is why the (previous!) combination at Sun of being a hardware company, but having NIH was beginning to take it's toll. Ed Sanders (sp?) is just the cure that SunSoft needed, IMO. A software company that wants to have good hardware is going to have to port. A hardware comoany that wants good software is going to have to license. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mdixon@parc.xerox.com (Mike Dixon) Subject: Re: Sun Sparc10 mailer... Message-ID: <mdixon.739474258@thelonius> Keywords: Sun is coming up! Sender: news@parc.xerox.com Organization: Xerox PARC References: <dlwC86KEz.47o@netcom.com> <1993Jun6.193209.3023@millennium.com> <1993Jun7.083425.2367@prim> Distribution: usa Date: 7 Jun 93 17:30:58 GMT > [Sun] invented NFS (which maybe proves your point :-), vnodes (OO in > tne Unix kernel!), a postscript windowing system called News, Remote > Procedure Calls, and much more. should have stopped while you were ahead... RPC was in use at PARC well before Sun had even been formed. (for some historical background, try PARC tech report CSL-83-7: Birrell and Nelson, "Implementing Remote Procedure Calls", reprinted in TOCS February '84.) .mike.
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I read NeXTMail on a SUN ? Date: 11 Jun 1993 14:25:58 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Message-ID: <1va156$2es@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <1993Jun11.103940.13250@elysia.fdn.org> Keywords: email next sun I don't know about reading RTF on a sun but you can extract the text from the next mail message. save message to filename uudecode filename mv .tar.... filename.tar.Z zcat filename.tar.Z | tar xvf - vi index.rtf attachments are also held in the tar. BTW: Luis, there is no way I can reach you via email for some reason it doesn't get thru to your site. -- Real programmers don't create classes, they build hierarchies. (me) "If it doesn't compile and run emacs, it's not a computer." (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <C86nsF.JEw@utstat.toronto.edu> <1us1b2$nph@agate.berkeley.edu> <C88onu.HyB@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 10:31:33 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun7.103133.3121@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <C88onu.HyB@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Sabit Cakmak) writes: >In article <1us1b2$nph@agate.berkeley.edu> tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) writes: >> I've heard a new program from RightBrain may do Baseline support. >>It's called ExactlyWrite, which is file-compatible with WriteNow. I did not >>see it at the expo though. Anyway, contact info@rightbrain.com for further >>info. > >As Glenn Reid will probably confirm, ExactlyWrite does not provide baseline >support at this time. There does not appear to be a word processor available >for the NeXT that does. I thought it was so easy to write applications for >the NeXT? This baseline issue has been around for over a year. It is not >acceptable that it hasn't been done. > For the benefit of those of us who may eventually write a NeXT word processor, what are the issues involved in extracting the baseline info from the eps? A quick glance at NXEPSImageRep show it has a method getBoundingBox:, but no way of extracting the baseline info and it's not apparant if it can be subclassed to do so. Does the file have to parsed by hand? Once you've got the baseline info, presumably you just nudge the NXImage up or down when compositing? Dave Griffiths
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Date: 07 Jun 1993 19:28:40 GMT Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science Message-ID: <SOWA.93Jun7122840@amdew.llnl.gov> References: <C86nsF.JEw@utstat.toronto.edu> <1993Jun7.024955.10358@leland.Stanford.EDU> <C88pGE.IG3@utstat.toronto.edu> In-reply-to: philip@utstat.toronto.edu's message of Mon, 7 Jun 1993 07:14:37 GMT >>>>> "PMcD" == Sabit Cakmak <philip@utstat.toronto.edu> writes: PMcD> In article <1993Jun7.024955.10358@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu writes: >Sabit Cakmak (who? really Philip McDunnough) writes PMcD> Due to the increase in mail I have had to go by different names. I believe I PMcD> was Don Fraser last week. You ( and I?) can thank Unix. Wonderful OS if only PMcD> it were to go away. Phhht! I thank Unix every day, but not like you. -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: seeking info on WAIS,inc. Message-ID: <36990@oasys.dt.navy.mil> Date: 7 Jun 93 20:30:08 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD hi- looking for the e-mail address for WAIS,inc. and the phone number for them. Thanks much! Bob Kurhajetz US NAVY CD NSWC Code 3410 Bethesda, MD 20084 301 227-4311 e-mail kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil next mail bob@autumn.dt.navy.mil
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: (we make the difference) Internet: pay per view? Date: 7 Jun 1993 20:40:37 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v0945$85f@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1993Jun5.205226.1150@stone.com> Keywords: Internet, NSF In article <1993Jun5.205226.1150@stone.com> andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) writes: | | The heart of the NeXT community was created by the Internet, and | that's worth fighting for! I suggest that each of us send his/her own mail | message regarding the Internet. | | The electronic addresses below are valid - Dr. Moret checked them. | Followups belong in c.s,n.advocacy, I imagine | | > | > Most of you are probably aware of a plan to limit free use of | > INTERNET to "scientists" transmitting huge files and to start | > charging for e-mail. Apparently, this is the result of private | > telecommunications interests putting pressure on the National | > Science Foundation. | > | > If this plan is realized, it will mean that the majority of the | > approximately 15 million users of INTERNET will be cut off. | > Sadly, this is occurring just when the potential of this network | > was starting to be realized. | > | > Something must be DONE. We can not let private interests deprive | > us of access to INTERNET. | > | > I suggest that all concerned users register their protest/concern | > directly with Clinton and Gore via e-mail. Their e-mail address | > have recently been posted and they are: | > | > Clinton= PRESIDENT@WHITEHOUSE.GOV | > Gore = VICE.PRESIDENT@WHITEHOUSE.GOV | > | > In addition, I also suggest that we identify the office in the | > NSF which is responsible for INTERNET and register electronic | > protests with them. | > | > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated, especially in | > locating the e-mail address for the office in the NSF. | > That would be Stephen Wolff <steve@cise.cise.nsf.gov>, who replies: Someone has evidently papered the world with "INTERNET FREE ACCESS THREATENED" messages. This is my response to the first one I saw. This is the responsible office in the NSF, and I am the responsible person. There is no "plan to limit free use of INTERNET..." In the first place, there is no such thing as "free use of INTERNET". Each and every institution with Internet access pays a service provider real money every year for the institution's connection. Most institutions do not however trickle those charges down to users, but pay for them out of general operating funds. Service providers, most of whom serve a limited geographical area, attain national and international coverage via the NSFNET BackBone Service, which has hitherto been centrally funded by an award to Merit, Inc. and provided to the regional service providers at no charge. Since the beginning of the current NSFNET Backbone Service in 1987, a lively and competitive commercial market in Internet carriage has emerged, with multiple vendors offering robust, nationwide, commodity-level services. Continued centralized funding of a Backbone Service by the Foundation is no longer justified, as it would place the Federal government in direct competition with the private sector. Awards made under the currently active solicitation will include awards to regional networks to purchase backbone service on the open market. That is, the NSF will switch from supplier funding to user funding. The NSF is committed to continuity of network service to the research and education community; we will take whatever steps are necessary to assure it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bff@teal.csn.org (Brendan Forsyth) Subject: Re: NS/I SCSI controllers (specifically Adaptec) Message-ID: <C89tIC.KD4@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (The Daily Planet) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. References: <1uvddi$i07@tamsun.tamu.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 21:39:47 GMT lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) writes: : : I downloaded the latest hardware compatibility guide from nextanswers, : and was quite disappointed to learn that support for the Adaptec 1742 : (EISA) SCSI controller is "planned for 3.2". Is it really true that : this card will not work with 3.1? I had hoped that this card would be : compatible enough with the 1542 that it would "just work" with 3.1. : Does anybody know any details about this? : : Diana A local vendor loaned me a Vectra 66/U with that controller in it and I have yet to have it do anything but hang with the NextStep floppy inserted. I certainly had hoped that it would work as well. I read a thread in the NextForum on Compuserve where someone spoke with some reps at Adaptec that the card should work just like a 1542 when in standard mode. When and if I get it working I will post the solution. No promises. Brendan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: peer@ccrma.stanford.edu (Peer Landa) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection (Unix systems sold?) Message-ID: <1993Jun7.214526.4657@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <dlwC886DI.CLD@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 21:45:26 GMT Todd Bernhard (toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM) wrote: As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far #1 UNIX [..] David L. Williams (dlw@netcom.com) writes: I thought HP was #1 in total sales of Unix systems sold? This is what I've collected: -- peer Hewelett-Packard Co. Palo Alto, CA Employees: 93,100 (-93) CEO: Lewis Platt UNIX revenue: $4.1 billion (-92) Total revenue: $16.4 billion (-93) SunMicroosystems Inc. Mountain View, CA Employees: 12,800 CEO: Scott G. MaNealy UNIX revenue: $3.9 billion Time of source: -92 IBM Corp. Armonk, N.Y Employees: 321,000 CEO: John Akers UNIX revenue: $2.8 billion Time of source: -92 NCR Corp. / AT&T Dayton, Ohio Employees: 54,000 CEO: Gillbert P. Williamson UNIX revenue: $2.0 billion Time of source: -92 Digital Equipment Corp. Maynard, Mass Employees: 112,000 CEO: Robert Palmer UNIX revenue: $1.8 billion Time of source: -92 Oracle Corp. (software) Redwood Shores, CA Employees: 8,000 CEO: Lawrence J. Ellison UNIX revenue: $684 million Time of source: -92 Informix Software Inc. (software) Menlo Park, CA Employees: 1,200 CEO: Lawrence Phillip E. White UNIX revenue: $250 million Time of source: -92 Oracle Corp. (software) Redwood Shores, CA Employees: 8,000 CEO: Lawrence J. Ellison UNIX revenue: $684 million Time of source: -92
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: New FAQ for Intel configurations Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun07.201931.18867@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1993 20:19:31 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <96.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Organization: IBM Rochester Sounds great to me! I've been banging on 2 intel machines ever since the Expo. Got one to install no problems and the other barfed. (See comp.sys.next.hardware for the full indepth story of woe and intrigue -- Tho I'd be happy to forward it to you if that would help you out, and perhaps verify the solution.) Tom -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: ET4000AX support for NeXTStep 486 Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun07.202435.40250@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1993 20:24:35 GMT Distribution: usa Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1uti1s$oln@sun.Panix.Com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1uti1s$oln@sun.Panix.Com>, choong@panix.com (Choong Seow) writes: |> In the NeXTStep Hardware Compatibility Guide, 2-bit grayscale support |> for cards based on the ET4000AX chipset is mentioned, but no specific |> names are given. Does anyone know if the Diamond SpeedSTAR and the |> Orchid ProDesigner II/IIs (ET4000AX chips) have been tested and found |> to work with NeXTSTEP 486 in 1024X768 ? |> |> thanks, |> Choong Seow |> I installed successfully on a machine with an ET4000AX chipset NOT a Diamond SpeedSTAR or Orchid but a no name display card with 1 meg memory. When I changed over from the VGA driver to the ET4000AX, the display went bonkers! Had to go back to VGA. Naturally as with most things in the PC world, some pieces of hardware are more compatible than others. (Really weird too because there was a chip label ET4000AX right on the display card by Sang(sp?) (ie with their copyright notice) Tom -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: (we make the difference) Internet: pay per view? Date: 7 Jun 1993 22:26:51 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v0fbbINN9ts@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Jun5.205226.1150@stone.com> <1v0945$85f@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: Internet, NSF Stephen Wolff (I think, forwarded by Walter C. Daugherity) writes: >> Service providers, most of whom serve a limited geographical area, >> attain national and international coverage via the NSFNET BackBone >> Service, which has hitherto been centrally funded by an award to >> Merit, Inc. and provided to the regional service providers at no >> charge. And according to the Science article (vol 260, May 21, 1993, pages 1064 and 1065), it is that free backbone that is threatened. NSF issued some new guidlines last month, and the article says (quoted without permission, but what the hey): "The gist of the new guidelines is this: After years of subsidizing network use for researchers, NSF will no longer offer a free ride to all. Pressured by computer and telecommunications companies to get out of day-to-day networking and let the free market take over, NSF will over the next few years force most researchers to start using commercial networks, on their own dime. Only high-end users--scientists such as climate modelers whose appetites for data can't be served by commercial networks--will be able to use the high-speed NSFNET backbone of the future." It seems to me that the reaction is not based on rumor, but reality. Stephen Wolff is also quoted in the article defending the change, admitting that this shifts the cost to a bottom-up scheme where researchers would have to charge networking fees to their NSF grants or to university indirect cost accounts. Bruce Schatz, a member of a NAS panel on networks for science collaboration, said in the article that this could discourage the spawning revolution in remote research collaborations (paraphrased). In short, yes we now pay for access to the backbone, but the change takes the backbone away in a few years. Who pays then? And will they? And will the access be universal as it is now, or will it be for the lucky ones who got it in their grant or out of their reduced indirect percentages? I don't think we can dismiss this problem. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT makes inroads into Open Systems Today (6/7/93) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 7 Jun 1993 22:43:53 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v0gb9INNaaf@gap.caltech.edu> Hello, NeXT was mentioned in six articles in this weeks OST, as many as Intel, but less than Apple, DEC, HP, IBM, Microsoft (NT was everywhere), Novell, SCO, and Sun. The letters section was also headlined "Inaccuracies in Coverage of Next's GUI." There was a front page case study on McCaw Cellular entitled "Making the System Suit the Business." Very postive, but OST seemed to downplay the centrality of NEXTSTEP to the effort. The HP-NeXT deal was pretty much the entire second page, and the article was accurate and objective. Best quote "Users said NeXT's problems, when recounted in Wall Street Journal stories that are read by the CFO at their organizations, made it hard to bring NeXT technology into their organization." Sad but true, and darn unfair. There was a front page article on how COSE was ready to publish a (draft) GUI specification for X/Motify. They didn't mention NeXT, who could conceivably be affected by this, but at least they didn't take any gratuitous slams. The discussions in other articles of Intel hardware and Unix vendors did at least mention NeXT, which was encouraging. The most annoying thing is that they always spell "NeXT" as "Next" - Next computer, NextStep, even (gasp) NextIME! Their ambiguous capitalization did have one amusing upside, though. Andy Feibus' column claiming no one OS would dominate the desktop of the future was entitled: (literally) "Anointing The Next OS King of the Desktop Is Not An Easy Matter" We never said it would be easy :-) -- Ernie P. [Actually he said he would address "NextStep's" potential in a future column, but it had such a small niche he wasn't sure it would be around. Anybody know the relative distribution of SCO and NeXTSTEP?] -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
From: richard@cicero.jpl.nasa.gov ( Richard Weidner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: (we make the difference) Internet: pay per view? Date: 7 Jun 1993 23:17:37 GMT Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL Message-ID: <1v0iah$ns2@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> References: <1993Jun5.205226.1150@stone.com> Whoa, there. As one of those government scientists (engineer actually) I know of no plan to limit use of the internet or charge for e-mail. I know of plans to try and get more bandwidth and that is about it. Lots of people are looking for much high bandwidth links for those "large" data sets. There are always plans to compensate for use but the internet is not really free now. You do not need to jump on Gore or Clinton. They are the ones pushing for wider use of the 'limited access' data from NASA, NOAA, DoD, etc. At least the people over me say so. Gore is pushing the information highway concept already. So save your letters for the real culprits. Now there are specific node problems. As funding changes hands the old central nodes may go away unless some method is found to pay the costs. So you may have a point with respect to specific sites. Please be specific and cite the source for the rumour. We can then ask them. Btw, NSF is not the sole support for the entire internet. At least they don't give us anything. So they can do anything they like and it would not change anything with respect to NASA and their "NASA Science Internet". (Giggle, yeah NASA thinks they created it too. Everybody thinks it is theirs because they help fund some nodes and the cost of some links.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: silbar@cantina.lanl.gov (Dick Silbar) Subject: mouse going north (not south) Message-ID: <1993Jun7.220934.8036@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Lab Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 22:09:34 GMT The mouse is from a turbo station, less than a year old. Lately, it seems the cursor often goes upwards on the screen, when I try dragging it downwards. Opening it up, cleaning the ball and rollers doesn't seem to improve matters. Nor does changing mousepads. Any suggestions? Dick Silbar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: What to Buy. Message-ID: <1993Jun11.155555.13010@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1v8te0$jog@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 15:55:55 GMT sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu writes > Well. I have decided. After weeks of research I have deceided to > purchase a nextstep machine.... Thank you for all of your help. > > I will be able to recieve REAL NEXT mail soon..... > > Steve McGrew Welcome! Of course, you won't _really_ be a recognized, card-carrying member of the NeXT community until you learn to type out NeXT in all-caps with a lower-case `e.' Just buying the system isn't enough. So practice: NeXT NeXT NeXT NeXT NeXT NeXT... ;-) Of course, you'll then find yourself capitalizing the word even when you shouldn't... -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1us1b2$nph@agate.berkeley.edu> <1230@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 08:51:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun11.085148.7061@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1230@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >Tin-Yau Fung writes >> >> I've heard a new program from RightBrain may do Baseline support. >> It's called ExactlyWrite, which is file-compatible with WriteNow. I did not >> see it at the expo though. Anyway, contact info@rightbrain.com for further >> info. > >ExactlyWrite will not support the %%Baseline comment in its 1.0 incarnation. >We're using the Text object, which does not support %%Baseline for >included graphics. This is something NeXT needs to fix. Their priority should be to make Text flexible enough that a subclass can provide this functionality. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...It's long overdue... Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Jun10.161909.11735@hot.com> <1993Jun10.224130.23615@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 09:13:49 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun11.091349.7125@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Jun10.224130.23615@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu writes: >Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes >> Would some kind soul at NeXT, please please please release a fat >> binary (MAB) of NewsGrazer? Or better yet, release the source as >> gift to humanity. Many people have asked for it and noone has >> responded. > >Wasn't the whole fuss over NewsGrazer due to developers complaining >it was encroaching on their turf? So where are these developers >writing NS newsreaders? If none is working on such a beast, I say >give out the source code! I think it was _hypothesised_ that the reason for NeXT not releasing the source was to maintain a level playing field, but I don't remember any "fuss" from developers, and I should know 'cos I'm one of them! Obviously though, I'd prefer NeXT not to release the NewsGrazer sources. My NS newsreader will be out in about a months time. In the meantime, if you want to read news on an Intel box you could always use trn or tin. Trn is a really cool newsreader. Dave Griffiths
From: lwake@runcible.West.Sun.COM (Larry Wake) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 8000 Sun apps? Date: 11 Jun 1993 16:56:30 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, San Diego, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vadfuINNdlg@west.West.Sun.COM> References: <C8Etpn.11A@infoserv.com> In article <C8Etpn.11A@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com writes: >Almost no generic apps run under Solaris. Solaris 2, I assume you mean. What do you mean by "generic apps" ? "Almost no" is certainly wrong. "Many don't -- yet" is just as certainly true, but this is changing daily. >When I was at Amdahl (left recently) we had not upgraded to Solaris or bought >any Sparc 10s because nothing we had would run on those machines because >Sun is only shipping those with Solaris. Assuming again that you mean Solaris 2, this is incorrect. SPARC 10s can run Solaris 1 (aka SunOS 4.1.x) or Solaris 2. You can order them to ship with either. --- Larry Wake, Sun Microsystems San Diego field office (larry.wake@west.sun.com) Waiting for the "Nedry" action figure...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cyliao@iastate.edu (Jessy Liao) Subject: Re: 3.0 -> 3.1 upgrade for Black Hardware Message-ID: <C8GyCy.Muz@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA References: <1993May28.190957.5583@znext.cts.com> <1993Jun1.191257.13106@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1993Jun7.035639.29039@splunge.uucp> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 18:07:42 GMT >>Anyone want to conjecture on the advantages of upgrading black hardware to >>3.1? The $100 pricetag is inconsequential to us, but the hassle of doing >>the upgrade for a possible "no net gain" is of consequence to us. $100? I called the # and got a quote of around $200 including shipping... -- ___________________*** NeXTmail Accepted ***__________________________________ Jessy Liao | | Done:air/fuel filters, exhaust, cyliao@iastate.edu | Dpt of EE and CprE | Yoko A509s, red line :) c.y.liao@ieee.org | Iowa State University | Next: engine, wheel allignment.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: Re: NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...It's long overdue... Message-ID: <1993Jun11.111823.4498@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management References: <1993Jun10.224130.23615@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1229@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 11 Jun 93 11:18:22 PDT Newsgrazer is not in the PD for a very simple reason: Jayson Adams, the author, wrote NG as one of his very early experiments with NS back when he worked for NeXT. He does not want this code to go into the PD simply because he feels he would be embarrassed. NeXT has to respect his wishes. However, there is an account at NeXT for newsgrazer related complaints (in one of the info menues). I have reason to believe that your sending mail to this account would expedite NeXT's announcing some other solution to this very common problem, either by recompiling NG for NS/I or by announcing a NG alternative. /ivo For public notice: Thanks, Jayson, for making such a wonderful product available to us, even if it was your first venture.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Message-ID: <1993Jun11.105032.13383@elysia.fdn.org> Keywords: printers shrinkwrap licence legal Sender: luis@elysia.fdn.org Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. References: <1993Jun10.184852.11570@RedBrick.COM> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 10:50:32 GMT In article <1993Jun10.184852.11570@RedBrick.COM> jfr@RedBrick.COM (Jon Rosen) writes: > While I agree that the likelihood of seriously being tracked down > and sued is pretty small, I think it is absolute idiocy to put out > over the net the opinion that people should just go ahead and violate > contractual provisions because some unnamed lawyer at a conference > "said so". And I think it is even more idiotic for someone else > to follow that advice. > > Just my $.02. > > Jon Rosen Of course you are right, but I was just stating what I would do. I am not inviting or coercing anyone in particular to do anything whatsoever with NeXTSTEP. By the way, I had some time Thursday afternoon to talk to my unnamed lawyer above. He is a very nice person and I would like to leave his coordinates here in case anybody is interested in his point of view on shrinkwrap licences and their legal power to make you use certain printers with NeXTSTEP: Christopher J. Seline LL. M. ATTORNEY AT LAW cjs@occs.cs.oberlin.edu -- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 8000 Sun apps? Date: 11 Jun 1993 18:00:02 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Distribution: world Message-ID: <m1hi12INN35f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <C8Etpn.11A@infoserv.com> <1vadfuINNdlg@west.West.Sun.COM> In article <1vadfuINNdlg@west.West.Sun.COM> lwake@runcible.West.Sun.COM writes: >In article <C8Etpn.11A@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com writes: >>Almost no generic apps run under Solaris. > >Solaris 2, I assume you mean. What do you mean by "generic apps" ? >"Almost no" is certainly wrong. "Many don't -- yet" is just as >certainly true, but this is changing daily. Around 500 last time I checked. Of course, you're right...this is changing daily. Anyway, the 'generic apps' are among the first to port, because of the volume/price of SPARCclassics. Solaris 2 'generic apps' include: Lotus CC:Mail, Lotus Notes, Lotus 1-2-3, Mathematica, Word Perfect, Arts & Letters Maestro, Interleaf, ShowMe, UniPlex, Frame... Speaking of Frame, is it true Frame has frozen NeXTstep/Intel porting...? Of course, with Wabi, your availability of apps, especially 'generic apps', grows exponentially... >>When I was at Amdahl (left recently) we had not upgraded to Solaris or bought >>any Sparc 10s because nothing we had would run on those machines because >>Sun is only shipping those with Solaris. > >Assuming again that you mean Solaris 2, this is incorrect. SPARC 10s >can run Solaris 1 (aka SunOS 4.1.x) or Solaris 2. You can order them >to ship with either. correct. thanks. ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: USRobotics Sportster 14.4 modem with Fax Message-ID: <50788@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 10 Jun 93 20:49:09 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Hi everyone, Now that the price of modems is plummetting, I'm interested in getting a faster modem. I've seen the USRobotics Sportster (external, 14400 baud, with class1 group3 fax) around and it sounds like a nice deal (around $200). Has anyone gotten one of these to work on a NeXT Turbo (or any of the original black machines)? Either as a plain data modem or with the fax capability? Any help or comments would be appreciated! Thanks! -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
From: jcs@cco.caltech.edu (John C. Stevenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cirrus logic video board Date: 11 Jun 1993 20:12:30 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vaovfINNi2a@gap.caltech.edu> I've bought two video cards for my ISA 486 nextstep. Both with the cirrus logic gd542x chip. I even have the STB Horizon board specified in the June 3 hardware guide. However, I can't get either board to disply the 1024x768 mode. They both have vertical striping and black dragin behind the mouse. The problem might be the configure app only shows 128K for the video memory. Or who knows? Help. I read last week some one got the Tseng Labs chip to work I don't know how. Any help??, please... I want my 1024x768 John Stevenson jcs@alumni.caltech.edu I'll gladly post a summary
From: bsmith@cornelius.pubs.stratus.com (Brian Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT-compatible application for creating pareto charts? Date: 11 Jun 1993 20:31:46 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Message-ID: <1vaq3i$mod@transfer.stratus.com> Is there a NeXT-compatible application that I can use to create pareto charts? I've tried Improv, Mesa, and Wingz, but all three lack the ability to create pareto charts. Any ideas or archives would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...It's long overdue... Date: 11 Jun 1993 21:05:47 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vas3c$b36@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993Jun10.224130.23615@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Wasn't the whole fuss over NewsGrazer due to developers complaining > it was encroaching on their turf? Nope. You're thinking of the fuss over BackSpace. I am not aware of any developer complaining about NewsGrazer encroaching on their turf. The fuss over newsgrazer has been that the source was not available for people to tweak. Most people like most of newsgrazer, but almost everyone has some little things they'd like to change about it. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...It's long overdue... Date: 11 Jun 1993 21:35:20 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vatqpINN1qs@clem.handheld.com> References: <1993Jun11.091349.7125@prim> In article <1993Jun11.091349.7125@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: [...] > My NS newsreader will be out in about a months time. In the meantime, if you > want to read news on an Intel box you could always use trn or tin. Trn is a > really cool newsreader. That someone who is writting a NS newreader would call trn a really cool newsreader causes me concern as to the "nextness" of his NS reader!! :-) > > Dave Griffiths -- jmd@handheld.com
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: copy to DOS, invalid argument? Fixed in 3.1???? Date: 11 Jun 1993 12:50:03 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v9v1rINN7a@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1993Jun9.183753.5059@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> In article <1993Jun9.183753.5059@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: > > I hope this is a simple one... > > I'm trying to copy a plain ascii file (TEXT.TXT) from a NeXT hard drive to a > DOS disk (formatted on a NeXT). The process window pops up and tells me > that /dosdisk/TEXT.TXT is an invalid argument. > Is this bug fixed in 3.1? I think this is an example where NeXTSTEP isn't user-friendly or intuitive: why not lowercase the file in the driver, or even better use the mechanism as used on some Macintosh PC-floppy drivers: lowercase the name, if the name is longer than 8 characters drop an "&" on the 8th characters and keep a list in an invisible file where the original file-names will be written. Thus DOS-users can use the file and when you insert the disk in the NeXTSTEP machine you end up with the original filename! In any case a more descriptive error message should be given to the user! Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp) Subject: Re: Is 3.1 worth it? References: <1993Jun3.195751.10787@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> <1993Jun06.220451.19212@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 16:10:09 GMT Organization: The home of the Pilhuhn Message-ID: <C8Ey8y.1q6@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org> mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) writes: >> So, is there any reason for me to update to 3.1? New features? New >> applications? Less bugs? More speed? >Fewer bugs Than what? -- Heiko W.Rupp Gerwigstr.5 D-7500 (76131) Karlsruhe +49 721 693642 In the window of a Swedish furrier: Fur coats made for ladies from their own skin.
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Any way to load NS/I from floppies? Message-ID: <1993Jun11.213009.3929@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 21:30:09 GMT Sender: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca Is there *any* humanly possible way to load NS/I from floppy disks? I have a Cube with a CD-ROM, and a NEC Ultralite for which I have no use for a dock/SCSI adapter save to load the system. I don't care if it takes ten hours to do it, I just want to get it done somehow. I think that this might be possible primarily because there existed a way to make a bootable floppy for 040 systems. Any suggestions? -Anthony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: copy to DOS, invalid argument? Fixed in 3.1???? Message-ID: <1993Jun11.224142.8678@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1v9v1rINN7a@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 22:41:42 GMT Annard Brouwer writes > > I'm trying to copy a plain ascii file (TEXT.TXT) from a NeXT > > hard drive to a DOS disk (formatted on a NeXT). The process > > window pops up and tells me that /dosdisk/TEXT.TXT is an > > invalid argument. > > > Is this bug fixed in 3.1? I think this is an example where NeXTSTEP > isn't user-friendly or intuitive: why not lowercase the file in > the driver, ... > In any case a more descriptive error message should be given to > the user! Absolutely. The driver should take any NeXT file and convert it to something that meets DOS's irritating 8.3 all-lowercase restrictions, eg using the rules that SoftPC uses when it has to deal with NS files. The process should be automagic, except that NS should put up a warning panel and give the user the opportunity to accept the proposed name or specify another one. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: pics from the Stone Design party at NeXTWorld Expo Message-ID: <1993Jun11.231117.27388@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 23:11:17 GMT Hi folks. Well, as promised, I shot many a roll of pictures at Andrew Stone's party at NeXTWorld Expo. For those of you who weren't there, you missed a most excellent bash. Anyway, I got the film put on PhotoCD (there were over 400 pictures). I'm now trying to figure out the best way to make these images available to the InterNet folks at large. It might take me a week or two to get around to this, but I'm looking for some intelligent input on how to do this. Some issues: () I'm really interested in keeping track of interesting things people do with the images. I don't mind people manipulating the images, but I'd like to keep my name somewhere around so that there is a pointer back to the original image. Using optional fields of the TIFF spec (artist, etc.) is one idea. Have any others? () I don't want this to be a NeXT only thing. I'm thinking of this as a bit of a note-in-a-bottle, or postcard-on-a-balloon thing. If people want to view or manipulate these on SGIs, Macs, Amigas, PCs, whatever, okay with me. () There is no standard JPEG for TIFF. These images JPEG compress really well (remember, JPEG was made for photographs, not CGI), with no appreciable image quality loss, but NeXT's JPEG can't be read using Leffler's TIFF library, which everybody (including NeXT) uses as the basis for their TIFF support. This sucks. ()Image rez. PhotoCD directly supports (i.e. already available for each image) 5 different resolutions: 128x192, 256x384, 512x768, 1024x1536, 2048x3072. I think I've decided that 512x768 is the best size to release to the net for general consumption. Here's some representative image file sizes for a 512x768 image: uncompressed TIFF image: 1,179,828 bytes LZW compressed TIFF (very portable): 892,358 bytes JPG (q=20) TIFF (NeXT TIFF only): 48,702 bytes A friend suggested using the free JPEG software, but I'm loath to use something that UNIX weenies might have for their box but that someone with a Mac couldn't open with out-of-the-box PhotoShop. () If someone has a real need for the 2Kx3K image, send me mail and I don't think that will be a problem (just give me a good reason, promise to credit me for the original image, and, if possible, send me a copy of what you do). () where should I put these? Some guy at the party who said he was associated with sonata said "put them there", but I'd rather get some place blessed by the gods-o-the-spot. I'm planning to try and get some coverage of this in the various techno-culture mags, so I'd like to be able to give them an ftp site and path that wasn't going to go away anytime soon. Anyway, there are other things, but before I spend any more time getting the pipeline ready (400+ images, whatever I decide to do, will take a while to save out and upload), I'd like to get some input. If nobody responds, I'll assume nobody's interested. -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
From: kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Date: 11 Jun 1993 16:33:12 -0700 Organization: University of Arizona CS Department, Tucson AZ Sender: Nick Kline Message-ID: <1vb4no$nr0@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> References: <1993Jun7.030537.21272@tetrasoft.com> <2C1400B5.7048@deneva.sdd.trw.com> <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.eng.sun.com> [I deleted lots of this article:] In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.eng.sun.com> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > >Wanna know a secret? SPARC has NEVER been the flat-out fastest raw CPU! >It was: Apollo (1988), MIPS (1989), IBM (1991), HP (1992), Alpha (1993). >Somehow, people bought machines from Sun, making SPARC the #1 RISC with >~60% market share. I guess there's something more to raw performance... but then you had the only decent os. Apollo/Domain was strange, MIPS was SysV.4 based. IBM's AIX sucked. HP-UX wasn't that good. Ultrix pales in comparison. >Most customers don't want to switch architectures every year to squeeze >a few MIPS....witness Intel's growth. > [...] > >If you say it often enough, maybe you can make it true. Meanwhile, we're >cashing checks. [...] > >DESKTOPS: > $3995: 59 MIPS, color, 16MB-96MB RAM, 207MB disk, 2 SBus I/O slots, > smaller than a Mac IIcx, etc. [...] > >8,000+ applications. Wabi gives access to tons more. Solaris has 2,000+ >resellers, dozens of Intel platform vendors committed to it... > > [...] I remember in '88 I really thought sun was hot. They had bsd Unix, they had affordable machines. They really had their shit together. Then it all started to fall apart. First, their processor performance really went flat. The latest straw is Solaris. Why oh why did they decide to go to Sys V.4? Many people are not buying new suns because they don't want to use it. It's pretty funny that there is a sparc clone seller that sell's one of the newer sparc chips and their only real selling point is they managed to port some version of sun os 4.1x to it! Many, many of suns old customers hate solaris. It breaks too many things. For a year my dept has been running one machine on solaris to test it out and fix the many things that break under it. At no time soon will we go to (as far as I've heard). Solaris has been a major stumbling point. HP-UX is so bad that people might well prefer solaris to it. But a bsd 4.3 unix is much preferable. I read that around 40% of sun internally does NOT use solaris. Linux is so exciting because a fast, working 4.3 bsd is available! and it's awesome. Perhaps some day a 4.3bsd will be available in C form totally and they could be ported to sparces. I don't hate sun. It is really sad to see a great company follow that inevitable road. You start out having lots of energy and try new things. If successful, then you can become huge in the marketplace (like sun did). Then, after a while, an inevitable conservatism creeps in. Marketers become too powerful, setting names (Sparc 10, awesome name), prices, even limiting functionality, so they don't internally compete with themselves. I see sun as now riding the crest of that wave that has followed from their initial technological success. Just as IBM rode that wave of the 360 from 1960 developement from 25 years, so sun will ride it for a few more. DEC rode the wave of their vax. They couldn't believe it when we replaced our vax and the maintenance contract for one year paid for our whole new machine (a sparc server actually). The new machine was even faster. It is so clear that sun is headed down that road. -nick
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 11 Jun 1993 23:48:17 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vb5k1$fot@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1v7u0gINNt4l@west.West.Sun.COM> lwake@runcible.West.Sun.COM (Larry Wake) writes: > I'm in front of real live customers every day, > and am well aware of the concerns and > complaints -- MOST of which are from people who have never touched a > Solaris 2 system, but heard horrible things "from a friend" who often > had never touched it either. For the record, I talk to Sun customers on pretty close to a daily basis (they're alumni of RPI, I don't just go around badgering Sun customers :-). Most of the complaints that *I* have heard have come from people who have *done* the switch to Solaris 2.x (or at least done it for some of the machines in their organizations). > Some people are basing their experiences > on Solaris 2.0 (2.2 is the current version), Certainly the level of their displeasure has decreased as newer versions of Solaris have been released. With 2.0 they were pretty close to hostile at Sun over the move, but now with later versions I think they've calmed down and are basically resigned to the inevitiable. I imagine the worst of the Solaris transition will be over by the end of the year, based on the reactions of the people I've talked to. However, there's no question that Sun lost the friendship and respect of a lot of formerly loyal customers in the process. None of your customers are happy about the work *they* have to do to switch to Solaris 2.x, given that the immediate benefits to them (the customer) are not very obvious. And while Solaris 2.x does have some benefits, few customers are convinced that Sun really *had* to change everything around just to get those benefits. The switch from Mac OS 6.x to Mac OS 7.x was also quite a switch in the Mac community. There are still people who refuse to run System 7 on their Macs. The significant difference is that there are plenty of Mac customers who were excited with system 7 (despite the need to buy more memory to really use it). Of the people I know who have made the switch to Solaris 2.x, none of them are excited (or even particularly happy) about it. There were more happy, enthusiastic System 7 owners within a week of the official release, then there are of Solaris 2.x, and Solaris is already up to version 2.2. And now that I've tried to stir up a little controversy, the most important point I wanted to make: follow-ups to comp.sys.next.advocacy -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Date: 11 Jun 1993 16:43:28 -0700 Organization: University of Arizona CS Department, Tucson AZ Sender: Nick Kline Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vb5b0$oa0@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> References: <WALTERS.93Jun10002028@corndog.id.com> <1v7u0gINNt4l@west.west.sun.com> In article <1v7u0gINNt4l@west.west.sun.com> lwake@runcible.West.Sun.COM writes: >In article 93Jun10002028@corndog.id.com, walters@id.com (Chris Walters) writes: @>@>_Everyone_ I talk to is scared of @>@>the migration to Solaris 2.2. Damn scared. @> @>"Imminent death of Sun predicted." @> @>(By the way, contrary to the prediction from the guy with the friend @>"in the know" at Sun, have you noticed we're still in the desktop @>business? As matter of fact, we introduced new desktop products @>sometime within days of the predicted date of our abandonment of that @>market...) @> @>Everyone was scared -- damn scared -- of the migration to: @> @> * SunOS 4.x from 3.x @> * SPARC from Moto @> * X11 from Sunview @> * SBus from VME @> @>These all turned out to be Good Things in the end, most people would @>agree. The "fear factor" of the Solaris 1 to Solaris 2 conversion was @>not a surprise; Sun has expected that the transition would take a while @>to complete, but there are good things at the end of it. I'm in front @>of real live customers every day, and am well aware of the concerns and @>complaints -- MOST of which are from people who have never touched a @>Solaris 2 system, but heard horrible things "from a friend" who often @>had never touched it either. Some people are basing their experiences @>on Solaris 2.0 (2.2 is the current version), others are basing it on @>experience with another implementation of SVR4, or the worst, SVR3 or @>earlier. @> Well, I have used a Sparc 10 with Solaris. It sucks. There are so many silly niggling little stupid things. Like when you create files in a directory, files created in that directory don't inherit the group of the parent directory. it is things like that which really drive people crazy. I love sun. I have a sun 3/80 on my desk. Other people have sparcs. But no solaris (except when we had no choice). I do own a next. -nick
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How can I read NeXTMail on a SUN ? Date: 12 Jun 1993 00:12:57 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <1vb729INN66b@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Jun11.103940.13250@elysia.fdn.org> Keywords: email next sun In article <1993Jun11.103940.13250@elysia.fdn.org> luis@elysia.fdn.org writes: >Does anyone out there know if there is any software available so that I >can send NeXTmail to my friends working on Sun workstations ? Yes, it is called NeXTSTEP for SuperSparc, and it will be available from NeXT, Inc. shortly. (Wishful Thinking) -Eric
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection (Unix systems sold?) Date: 11 Jun 1993 20:25:46 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m1hqiaINN3lc@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <1v7cll$aq9@hermes.athena.com> <1v7d1i$as2@hermes.athena.com> In article <1v7d1i$as2@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: >> In article <m17kpmINN7me@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd >> Bernhard) writes: >> > >Todd Bernhard (toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM) wrote: >> > >As for Sun's resources, we've done pretty well so far #1 UNIX [..] > >All of this is not to say that "NeXT will slay Sun, the mother of all >workstation manufacturers," but to say that NeXT has its set of problems that Fine. I have absolutely NO quarrel with saying Intel and Microsoft, and others are serious competitors with such and such advantages, etc. What really got my goat, if you will, was the presumption that NeXT somehow had better resources (see above) etc. Maybe that impression was from follow-up postings, not you. >it has faced by focusing on its best asset: NEXTSTEP. Sun is not focused and >seems to be trying to take on Intel and Microsoft. Sun will lose if they go >for both. Sun may succeed (just as NeXT may succeed against Microsoft) if Sun >focuses its effort on one side of the equation. That impression may be because of the lumping of "Sun" together. SunSoft is really NeXT's (and Microsoft's) competitor. SMCC (Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation) is a competitor of other systems vendors. So, yes the "focus" may seem bi-directional, but SMCC's focus is absolutely on SPARC and SunSoft's focus is absolutely on Solaris. That's why we have, now or soon, SPARCsystems with NetWare, and Solaris on SPARC, Intel, and PowerPC. Oh, and Wabi for Windows apps. >No one vendor can provide all the components of an open system. Sun is trying >to do just that. That may be an impression. But per above, we are obviously saying Intel, PowerPC, NetWare, Windows are all parts of the computing environment. >David ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection (Unix systems sold?) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 11 Jun 1993 21:19:54 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m1htnqINN3rq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <m17kpmINN7me@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1v7cll$aq9@hermes.athena.com> In article <1v7cll$aq9@hermes.athena.com> dpp@athena.com (David Pollak) writes: >I was the one who started this thread. I never intended to start a Sun bashing >session. Sun has fine hardware. They have lead the way (not necessarily the >leader at all times, but always in the front of the pack) with technology. thanks. >their workstations. Intel has hundreds (and possibly thousands) of companies >producing machines from x86 family chips. Sun has about a dozen. It's likely >that Intel sells more '486 chips in a day than Sun sells SPARC chips in a year. Just a point of fact. Intel's runrate is about 10 million 486's/year, or 27,400/day. Sun's runrate is about 250,000 SPARCsystems/year...plus about 50,000 SPARC clones, that's 300,000/year. Since a good chunk of those are Multiprocessors, that's more like 400,000 SPARC chips. So it's about a 25:1 ratio (not 365:1)...Just clarifying. >Sun will have to do a lot of catching up in terms of market penetration in >order to rival Intel in CPU sales. Sun will have to spend a lot on R&D to keep >up with the fastest RISC chips. see above. BTW, SPARC R&D comes not just from Sun, but also Texas Instruments, Fujitsu, HaL, LSI Logic, Matra, Metaflow/Hyundai, Phillips, Solbourne/Matsushita, SPEC, and Weitek. >Sun does not have half a dozen solid reference accounts using Solaris for core >business applications (e.g., Chrysler, McCaw, Swiss Bank, WilTel, US Air Force, >and First National Bank of Chicago). I'm sorry, but I have to chime in here. You've just depleted NeXT's press release's references, and you think Sun doesn't have "half a dozen solid [business] references"? Off the top of my head: Dunkin Donuts Ross Stores Portland Trailblazers Ticket Office Au Bon Pain Banco Popolar de Bergamo Consumer Health Services (1-800-Doctor type) the entire Munich Airport AT&T Universal Card Wells Fargo >Without a serious O/E offering, Sun will be making boxes based on proprietary >chips. As DEC has found out, this is a rough game to be playing in, Right. Cause their chip truly is proprietary. SPARC chips are available from the vendors listed above. Ask AMD if Intel is proprietary. >What I'm saying is that we saw a swift and radical fall of IBM, DEC, Wang, etc. >Sun will be next. Yes, they are still market leaders today, but Sun has >nothing that distinguishes them from hundreds of vendors. IBM, DEC, Wang were all proprietary, closed vendors who couldn't adapt because Not Invented Here ruled. X, NetWare, Wabi, Motif, SVR4 are examples of evolving. Maybe the folks from 'Jurassic Park' can clone Wang, et. al. back into existence :^) >Flame Away!! No flames...just some more accurate info (see above), and a different perspective. >David ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: pics from the Stone Design party at NeXTWorld Expo In-Reply-To: wave@pixar.com's message of Fri, 11 Jun 1993 23:11:17 GMT To: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jun11220838@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Jun11.231117.27388@pixar.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 02:08:37 GMT In article <1993Jun11.231117.27388@pixar.com> wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) writes: Hi folks. Well, as promised, I shot many a roll of pictures at Andrew Stone's party at NeXTWorld Expo. For those of you who weren't there, you missed a most excellent bash. Anyway, I got the film put on PhotoCD (there were over 400 pictures). I'm now trying to figure out the best way to make these images available to the InterNet folks at large. It might take me a week or two to get around to this, but I'm looking for some intelligent input on how to do this. Please don't forget to also make available 64x64 pixel tiffs for use with Mail.app and Newsgrazer.app. I'd do it myself but my permanent Internet link having a bandwidth of less than 2 kByte/second, downloading 400 megabyte-sized images would take days. Carl Edman
From: lwake@runcible.West.Sun.COM (Larry Wake) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 12 Jun 1993 02:57:12 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, San Diego, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vbgm8INNbm4@west.West.Sun.COM> References: <1vb5b0$oa0@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> >[In Solaris 2] when you create files in a directory, files created in that >directory don't inherit the group of the parent directory. This is a selectable behavior, which is not new to Solaris 2; it was introduced in Solaris 1 (aka SunOS 4.1.x, apparently aka The One True OS, Death to Unbelievers :-). It was made selectable because some people *like* the System V behavior. The only thing that appears to have changed in Solaris 2 is the default behavior for new filesystems, which you can of course change at any time. You can even change it long after the fact, on the entire hierarchy of directories. Followups to c.s.n.a.; sorry I didn't do that earlier. Not even sure if this particular subthread belongs there, but better there than here, right? --- Larry Wake, Sun Microsystems San Diego field office (larry.wake@west.sun.com) "Can you prove it didn't happen?" -- PLAN NINE FROM OUTER SPACE "No one can prove it didn't happen." -- TV ad for FIRE FROM THE SKY
From: bohlkejh@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Jon H. Bohlke II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: HP, NeXTSTEP, engineers, and scientists Date: 12 Jun 1993 03:38:39 GMT Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vbj3vINNdo1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1v8t7tINN880@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <1v8t7tINN880@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: > In article <1v7f79$plg@genesis.ait.psu.edu>, mek@guinan.psu.edu (Mark E. Kotanchek) writes: > |> Hi folks, > |> > |> I sent the following note to Greg Anderson as well as copying it to the > |> SNUG (Science NeXT Users Group). The note was in response to Greg's query > |> regarding the HP - NeXT coupling and its implications for scientists and > |> engineers. Subsequently, it was suggested that I also post it here. > |> > |> Enjoy, > |> > |> Mark. > |> > |> > |> Hi Greg, > |> > < Stuff deleted > > |> > |> That said, the big concerns AGAINST going with NeXTSTEP is the absence of > |> MATLAB (or an equivalent program like MATRIXx). > < stuff deleted > > |> > |> Mark. > |> > |> -- > |> Mark Kotanchek > |> Guidance & Control Dept - 363 ASB > |> Applied Research Lab/Penn State > |> P.O. Box 30 > |> State College, PA 16804 > |> > > > I thought the Matlab people had anounced a while ago that they were going to port > to the NeXT but I think it was before NeXT killed their hardware so they may have > changed their mind. Can anyone clarify this for me. > > john. They said after Matlab 4.0 was out for all other platforms they would port it to NeXTSTEP. Interesting enough the first machine you could get Matlab 4.0 for was the HP9000-7xx. Of course you could try octave, its a free matlab clone. I could not get it to compile on my machine though. Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@svcdudes.com Subject: Re: CompuServe, has anyone written something for NextStep? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.165732.12325@svcdudes.com> Sender: news@svcdudes.com Organization: Software Ventures, Inc. References: <1uo8i9INNaa1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 7 Jun 93 16:57:32 GMT In article <1uo8i9INNaa1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> claspac@tallis.ucsc.edu (Jas-Russell) writes: > I am interested in finding a front-end software package > for accessing compuserve using my NeXT. > > I tried loading the DOS based front-end under SoftPC but > it hangs the emulator and won't work. > > If anyone has experience with either of these > techniques for accessing compuserve from NeXTSTEP or > UNIX in general, I'd be interested. > MicroPhone Pro has a settings package called Loran. Loran allows you to send and recieve Mail using a standard NeXT GUI. Loran is completely scripted, so you can get into the scripts and make any changes you want, including adding new windows any time you want. -- Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@svcdudes.com Subject: NEC UltraLite Message-ID: <1993Jun11.165904.7720@svcdudes.com> Sender: news@svcdudes.com Organization: Software Ventures, Inc. Distribution: na Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 16:59:04 GMT Sigh, I just got off the phone with NEC, the UltraLite with NeXTSTEP won't be shipping until August. But they will have a good price for developers. Anyone know of any portables out there running NeXTSTEP that's shipping today? -- Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <C8HpnD.I53@ms.uky.edu> Organization: University of Kentucky References: <1993Jun7.030537.21272@tetrasoft.com> <2C1400B5.7048@deneva.sdd.trw.com> <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.eng.sun.com> <1vb4no$nr0@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 03:57:13 GMT kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) writes: >I remember in '88 I really thought sun was hot. They had bsd Unix, they >had affordable machines. They really had their shit together. >Then it all started to fall apart. First, their processor performance >really went flat. Hmm, the processor performance of our Sparcs doesn't seem to have gone flat. I'm pretty sure they run just as fast today as they did a few years ago! ;^) >The latest straw is Solaris. Why oh why did they decide to go to >Sys V.4? Many people are not buying new suns because they don't want >to use it. >It's pretty funny that there is a sparc clone seller that sell's one >of the newer sparc chips and their only real selling point is they >managed to port some version of sun os 4.1x to it! >Many, many of suns old customers hate solaris. It breaks too many things. >For a year my dept has been running one machine on solaris to test it out >and fix the many things that break under it. At no time soon will we go to >(as far as I've heard). >Solaris has been a major stumbling point. HP-UX is so bad that people might >well prefer solaris to it. But a bsd 4.3 unix is much preferable. Now, this bothers me. So many people complain about Solaris -- but it seems to me that they complain simply because they are not familiar with SysV. If you spend some time learning the differences between BSD and SysV, you might appreciate it better. The implementations I've used (particularly HP-UX) are quite stable, and basically a Good Thing. >I read that around 40% of sun internally does NOT use solaris. >Linux is so exciting because a fast, working 4.3 bsd is available! and it's >awesome. Perhaps some day a 4.3bsd will be available in C form totally and >they could be ported to sparces. This illustrates a point. You seem to think Linux is great. It is! But it is a SysV based operating system -- NOT bsd! I agree that Sun has some rocky times headed for it. But SysV will eventually be a benefit to the company. The larger contracts (particularly government) are going to want SysV. However, HP is the one to watch for. They're right on target with their market (which is both workstations and "business servers" -- the 800 series). This is great news for NeXT. Digital? Well, they have a nice CPU. But I don't like their machines of recent years, and I sure don't like Ultrix. Actually, if Sun and Digital merged...a good thing for both? -- --Mike Mills E-Mail: sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!sam --UK Math Sciences Dept. mike@ukpr.uky.edu --(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gary@uranus.isr.recruit.co.jp Subject: yet another video encoder/decoder Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <gary.93Jun1213333@uranus.isr.recruit.co.jp> Keywords: video Sender: news@isr.recruit.co.jp Organization: Media Design Center, Recruit Co. Ltd., Tokyo, JAPAN Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 04:03:33 GMT yav is a software only video encoder/decoder for NeXT workstations. It will play a video with a reasonable frame size (288x224 pixels) at a reasonable frame rate (greater than or equal to 6 frames/second depending on cpu speed) with a synchronized sound track for a reasonable length of time (greater than 10 minutes depending on disk size). Since the above requirements necessitates a computationally inexpensive algorithm for on the fly decompression, the compressed format is not MPEG. Instead it is a format designed primarily for easy decompression. It sacrifices both compression ratio and quality in order to achieve a large frame size and high frame rate. The encoder is not real time and requires from 2 to 6 minutes to encode a single frame depending on quality. Since the design objective of yav is to implement a software encoder/decoder for low-end workstations in general, yav is not a NeXTstep application. Except for the imaging routines the yav source written in C is completely machine independent and should be easy to port to any UNIX platform. Also included are utilities to convert MPEG format movies to yav format movies. The MPEG convertor is derived from the Berkeley public domain player. Unfortunately, the only video with sound I have was captured from the TV and is not in the public domain. However, a converted MPEG without sound is included. The yav tar file "yet_another_video.tar" is available by anonymous ftp from cs.orst.edu in next/submissions. gary@isr.recruit.co.jp
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: pics from the Stone Design party at NeXTWorld Expo Date: 12 Jun 1993 04:23:42 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vbloe$nl4@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993Jun11.231117.27388@pixar.com> wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) writes: > Hi folks. Well, as promised, I shot many a roll of pictures at > Andrew Stone's party at NeXTWorld Expo. For those of you who > weren't there, you missed a most excellent bash. Anyway, I got > the film put on PhotoCD (there were over 400 pictures). I'd be interested in borrowing the photo CD's themselves for awhile, just to punch out a boatload of face-tiffs using the pCD program. Actually, I'd be *really* interested in having someone *else* using pCD to punch out the face tiffs, as I imagine I won't know the names or email addresses of any of the people in the pictures... Then once we have the face-tiffs (complete with names and email/NewsGrazer addresses), send them off to Glenn Brown <gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu> or Carl Edman <cedman@princeton.edu> to add to the face-tiff collections. [400 pictures? How many photo CD's? did you just put 100 per CD, or did you see how many could be squeezed onto a single photo CD?] > () I'm really interested in keeping track of interesting things > people do with the images. I don't mind people manipulating the > images, but I'd like to keep my name somewhere around so that > there is a pointer back to the original image. Using optional > fields of the TIFF spec (artist, etc.) is one idea. Have any > others? Hmm, yeah. I want to add support for those optional fields in pCD, but I haven't looked into it yet. How does one set (and read) those fields? Is it described somewhere in the NeXTSTEP general reference? > () There is no standard JPEG for TIFF. These images JPEG compress > really well (remember, JPEG was made for photographs, not CGI), > with no appreciable image quality loss, but NeXT's JPEG can't be > read using Leffler's TIFF library... I prefer LZW compression for face-tiffs. The face tiffs should also be 16-bit color (which I guess is really 12-bit color), instead of the 24-bit color you get from Photo CD's. I'd go with JPEG with "Q" = 12 (superior compression to LZW, hardly anything for lost image quality though), except that I've also run into problems opening NeXT-generated JPEG files with various programs. > ()Image rez. PhotoCD directly supports (i.e. already available > for each image) 5 different resolutions: 128x192, 256x384, > 512x768, 1024x1536, 2048x3072. I think I've decided that 512x768 > is the best size to release to the net for general consumption. > Here's some representative image file sizes for a 512x768 image: > > uncompressed TIFF image: 1,179,828 bytes > LZW compressed TIFF (very portable): 892,358 bytes > JPG (q=20) TIFF (NeXT TIFF only): 48,702 bytes No one is going to download 400 images (even at 48K per image) just to see what's there. Assuming you do want to make the pictures available to the net at large, it would be useful to also make available some thumbnail collection so people can get an overview of all the pictures without having to download all of them. In fact, maybe all you should initially make available are a few collections, and see how many people are interested in which pictures (before processing and uploading all 400 of them). Hmm. It'd also be pretty neat to create some background image which was a collection of many of these pictures as a single image... Maybe make a bunch of such background-sized tiff-collections available? Boy, when I start dreaming up work for other people to do, there's no stopping the flow of ideas that come to my mind... > Anyway, there are other things, but before I spend any more time > getting the pipeline ready (400+ images, whatever I decide to > do, will take a while to save out and upload), I'd like to get > some input. If nobody responds, I'll assume nobody's interested. I don't think I'd have the patience (or disk space) to do anything with all 400 images if they were available via FTP, but it would be great to have a larger collection of face-tiffs for NewsGrazer use. Other platforms have similar ideas (faces for email), and maybe someone would take the 64x64 tiffs we'd want for NeXTSTEP use and translate them to the face-file formats of other platforms. Of course, I'm still not quite sold on how to make the perfect face-tiff, due to the way that gamma-correction seems to be handled. I have face-tiffs which look great on my color machine, but are much too dark when viewed on a greyscale system. And ones which look reasonable on the greyscale system come out much too bright-looking on the color. Sigh. Maybe I need to create face-tiffs with *two* images, one for color and a different one for greyscale. Ick. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <C8Hyvw.n0J@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1us1b2$nph@agate.berkeley.edu> <1230@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 07:16:43 GMT In article <1230@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: [Baselines and ExactlyWrite...] > >PasteUp 2.0 *does* support the %%Baseline comment, because the text object >is our own, and we had easy control over it. Rumor has it that Pages will >support %%Baseline as well. PasteUp 2.0 appears to be the only application ( I haven't seen Pages) to provide support in this direction. Perhaps an example will illustrate why I think there are no applications which do support it. Start typing text in PasteUp 2.0 , say. Now from Equation Builder insert the "symbol" x sub k sub 2. ( 2 levels of subscripts...keep on if you wish). Now keep typing and look carefully where the next line will go. It hit the "2"! Oh no...!!! Surely this is not what baseline support is...Mind you, in any other application the x sub k sub 2 will be flying all over the page. ( I'm not talking about Frame/TeX). In any case, once you have inserted the object typing slows down quite a bit. The next object slows it to a crawl. All the abbove being said, if you prepare pieces of a document using other applications you can drag and drop them into PasteUp. It's very magical. But, it still doesn't solve the mathematical typing issue. LaTeX/TeX I suppose can claim to have done that, but ... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <C8I0p8.qD@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C88pGE.IG3@utstat.toronto.edu> <1232@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 07:55:56 GMT In article <1232@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com writes: >Sabit Cakmak writes >> In article <1993Jun7.024955.10358@leland.Stanford.EDU> >spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu writes: >> >Sabit Cakmak (who? really Philip McDunnough) writes >> >> Is there ever going to be a word processor on a NeXT that >> >> has baseline support? PasteUp2.0's word processing module >> >> appears to be the only program to support this. >> >> Due to the increase in mail I have had to go by different names. > >What on earth does that mean? Due to the increase in mail you have >to use a different name? That doesn't make any sense to me. How do >you avoid mail by using a different name, especially when the underlying >address (not the full name field) is still "philip@utstat.toronto.edu"? >I'll bet you that I get more mail than you do, probably by an order of >magnitude, but I manage to use my own name. I'm sure you get far more mail than I do. After all I am but one of many... In any case, direct mail is passed through a filter. It gets forwarded to whomever...People who take the time to read see the underlying address ( which is me). Those who don't appear to go to random places. Actually, it's not my doing. I'm used to the e-mail from other NeXT users. I do believe I was a woman last week for a while, though and the responses were different. > >> I believe I was Don Fraser last week. > >I have to say that's one of the weirder things I've heard recently :-) >Care to explain this a bit more? Maybe you're in too many peoples' >kill files or something?! Nope. I don't think it's reached that stage yet. I definitely was Don last week ( as he called me) and Ellen a couple of weeks ago. I really find it interesting. It's Unix you know...MCA. > >> Why the heck could Expressionist ( which is nowhere near as nice as EqB) + >> Write Now on the Mac get the baseline right years ago? > >It's simple: HUGE MARKET POTENTIAL. Not really. At the time there was very little demand for it. For some odd reason Write Now seemed to work with most equation editors from the beginning (even MacEqn). The market only developed later, and I doubt it was ever really large. The number of people who type mathematical articles is some. They probably use TeX/LaTeX or troff with eqn. Then there ae those people who have the occasional equation. They go out of their way to display the equation. The market there is enormous. As life becomes more technical, various languages will have to be used in a document. Mathematics is a wonderful language, and quite universal. It will become more important, especially for documents with 5%, say, of equations (if that). Have a look at one of the recent PC magazines where they review Quark Express. One of the "cons" is the lack of an equation editor! > >> Isn't the NeXT >> supposed to be easy to develop for? If it is then where is that simple >> word processor which will support in-line equations. It's a disgrace. > >Hey, lighten up. You keep saying things like "disgrace" and "no excuse" >and "unacceptable" just because somebody hasn't seen fit to design the >software that you want to use. Actually, I wasn't the first to use terms of this nature. I believe if you check some more authoritative postings than mine you will find those terms, or their equivalents. In any case, I do feel it has come down to a very basic form of human behaviour. It's very similar to where one would feel comfortable living in a minority situation. Small community? Large? etc... If minorities cannot feel comfortable in a small commnity then they simply leave. Does this describe the NeXT community? I suspect that it may. What is the point of being part of a community which squashes your every hope? > >Software gets designed, built, and marketed based on how many copies >people think they can sell. NeXT has a small penetration into the >educational market, and your baseline issue is simply a small niche >on the head of a pin stuck into the side of a very small niche. It's >not a disgrace or unacceptable that nobody's done it. That's just >the way it happens to be. Perhaps, but one would hope that somewhere people would hold views and make them available even though they may only appeal for the moment to a small number of people. In the end, you do what you feel is right and positive. Who cares about selling yet another variation on the speadsheet? Sure it might make you rich...not worth it. > >> I have great confidence in Glenn Reid finally coming to the rescue with >this. > >Your confidence is appreciated, but we're not going to do it if there's >no sense in it, and at the moment, I have counted 3 people who seem >interested (you, Tom Marchioro, and whoever he ran into on the Expo >floor; Erik Sowa, was it?). That's not enough. But I've counted far more than 3. At least 3 people have suggested that I write my own Text object (imagine that- I can hardly type). This is a difficult issue. People have to eat and live. I feel equations will become increasingly important over the next 10 years. Mathematics will finally become part of the regular vocabulary of an increasing number of people. That, I suppose, is a reason to provide baseline support. It's not the reason I would pick. You support it because it's the right thing to do. >And finally, NeXT is the one who needs to fix this, since it's their >Text object. Our only hope would be some horrible hack that intercepted >dragged-dropped graphics and fiddled with the EPS files to somehow fake >support for the %%Baseline, and it would probably break as soon as they >changed the Text object. > Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com > RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) > Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054 -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline Support? Message-ID: <1233@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 12 Jun 93 08:09:44 GMT References: <1993Jun11.085148.7061@prim> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com I just did a little experiment with the Text object in 3.1, and there's a fairly easy workaround for the lack of %%Baseline support. * Place a graphic (let's say it's an equation from EquationBuilder). * Select it, and use superscript/subscript to position it vertically. If the granularity of the up-and-down isn't right, you can change the "point size" of the graphic, which won't have any effect on the graphic, but will change the granularity of the superscript/subscript operation, allowing you to fine-tune its position. I know that having the equation pre-determine its baseline is much better, but with some practice, copy/paste font (to get a particular point size for the equations) and super/scripting, there's a reasonably easy workaround. And it works in Mail, Edit, and everything else. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Upgrade Issues Date: 12 Jun 1993 05:03:53 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1vcgn9$onq@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993Jun5.183412.22363@macc.wisc.edu> <1uqtb9$a5t@steffi.demon.co.uk> <gg5o=_S00ggF0E9m5S@cs.cmu.edu> <1993Jun11.020322.9819@csus.edu> Do we have to buy the user + developer upgrade to get the developer upgrade or is the user version included in the developer for $99? I've read different stories. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...NewsGrazer...It's long overdue... Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Jun11.091349.7125@prim> <1vatqpINN1qs@clem.handheld.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 09:18:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun12.091821.11814@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1vatqpINN1qs@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: >In article <1993Jun11.091349.7125@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) >writes: >[...] >> My NS newsreader will be out in about a months time. In the meantime, if you >> want to read news on an Intel box you could always use trn or tin. Trn is a >> really cool newsreader. > >That someone who is writting a NS newreader would call trn a really cool >newsreader causes me concern as to the "nextness" of his NS reader!! > >:-) OK, so my newsreader runs in a Terminal window. What's wrong with that? :-) Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEC NeXT Machine Message-ID: <ibhan.739898994@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 12 Jun 93 15:29:54 GMT In the latest NeXTWorld, then mentioned a new NEC PC that would have a good features set for NeXTStep (big HD, 17" monitor, integrated SCSI and Ethernet, lotsa RAM, available in black). Does anyone know what the name of this line is? Is this the new "Image" line? -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
From: chin@chestnut.chem.upenn.edu (Chin Wu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Upgrade Issues Message-ID: <CHIN.93Jun12085318@chestnut.chem.upenn.edu> Date: 12 Jun 93 12:53:18 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: Chemistry Dept. U. of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA Does anyone know what exactly come with the 3.1 upgrade in addition to the CD-ROM. I was told there will be printed user guide. Do they come with the printed programmer's reference? -- chin@chestnut.chem.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: paul@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Lansky) Subject: 486 byte ordering Message-ID: <1993Jun12.172637.9336@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 17:26:37 GMT We have a cluster of black NeXT machines and are contemplating getting a 486 machine to break in. Unfortunately the byte ordering is different on these machines. One is big endian and the other little endian, (I forget which is which). This, of course would create major problems for sound and image files accessed across the network between 68k and 486 machines. I'd like to know how others have dealt with this problem. Are there hardware solutions? Or must this be dealt with entirely in software. Thanks for any information. Paul Lansky paul@princeton.edu
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Last time (was Re: 8000 apps) Date: 12 Jun 1993 18:27:34 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Distribution: world Message-ID: <m1k80mINN6o7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Enough already. The whole reason I posted was to correct the mistake re how many apps Sun has. I don't expect to convert NeXT fanatics. I do expect them accept that they might not have *all* the facts. If/when NeXTSTEP proves itself in the market, who knows? Stranger things have happened...we've done it with Novell NetWare, Motif, etc...but they had proven themselves. ---todd In article coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: >We're Catalyst members, and we have the phonebook-sized catalog. And >we have a SPARC machine which we use all day long. But we can't >STAND Solaris or OpenWindows. We access the SPARC through NEXTSTEP >running on a NeXTcube. It's the only way I can tolerate that darn >Solaris. I think Sun is crazy not supporting NEXTSTEP on their machines. >Face it, it's better. Period. Solaris is a joke. Ok? Thank you. :-) > >-- brian > >> > > -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <1993Jun12.172815.199@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com References: <C8HpnD.I53@ms.uky.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 17:28:15 GMT In article <C8HpnD.I53@ms.uky.edu> sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) writes: > kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) writes: >>Solaris has been a major stumbling point. HP-UX is so bad that people >> might well prefer solaris to it. But a bsd 4.3 unix is much preferable. > > > Now, this bothers me. So many people complain about Solaris -- but it > seems to me that they complain simply because they are not familiar with > SysV. If you spend some time learning the differences between BSD and > SysV, you might appreciate it better. The implementations I've used > (particularly HP-UX) are quite stable, and basically a Good Thing. Once again, computer geeks (and I don't mean to pick on you, Mike, I see this all the time from everybody) justifying avoidable transition bugaboos with the argument "If you'd just take some time to learn..." Seems like just last week, Microsquish called InfoWorld weenies who couldn't follow upgrade instructions. Nick's point is that old Sun customers were sold the BSD strategy for a long time, and spent many resources training their sysadmins in its intricate complexities. They DO NOT want to invest in retraining to SysV, and recertifying their existing work, for a few additional benefits that they think they could have gotten by following the original path. Change-for-the-sake-of-new-opportunities is the last thing these "legacy" customers want. That's why they're steamed. I own a Sun server, so I get their mailings. Sun is trying to sell Solaris 2.x as just the next iteration of its OS, when in fact the transition is almost as complicated as moving from Windows 3.1 to NT (another case of marketing that downplays the seriousness of the transition). Almost all computer companies take this despicable attitude towards their customers at one time or another. I'm surprised any of them stay in business. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "If you've got eyes to rhythmatize Composer-in-Residence | Bring your flat hat and your ax Anderson Financial Systems | 'Cause tonight at 10 we'll be workin' again" greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | -- Donald Fagen, "Teahouse on the Tracks"
From: Matthias Imhof <gondwana@basalt.mit.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Upgrade Issues Date: 12 Jun 1993 20:20:17 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <1vddq1INN150@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1vcgn9$onq@spock.dis.cccd.edu> and another problem: are the user version and the developper version on different cds? and what exactly is the difference? what is in the user version, what is in the developper version? with 3.0 i kept half the system on cd instead of copying it to the harddisk. this method would fail if the system is split over two cd's, you dont want to change cd's every other minute (good old vic20/c64 times!) matthias
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 Upgrade Issues Message-ID: <50856@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 12 Jun 93 20:48:05 GMT References: <1vcgn9$onq@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <1vddq1INN150@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego The person whom I spoke to at NeXT sales told me that the 3.1 User and Developer packages came on different CD's. You were supposed to upgrade the operating system to 3.1 (User) first... Then, the developer software could be installed. It is not possible to do it the other way, because there's something fro the 3.1 user system that the developer portion needs in order to get set up. So those of you who receive your CD's in the wrong order (They will be sent *separately* via FedEx was what I was told) should wait until the User disk arrives before starting the upgrade. -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NeXT Step on other 68K machines? Message-ID: <C8IK5C.3oH@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun10.211833.23740@seas.smu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 14:55:59 GMT In article <1993Jun10.211833.23740@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) writes: #Doesn't Atari make 68040 25Mhz machines? I think they even have the Moto #56001 (ring a bell) included as standard. I cant remember the name of the Nope. The machine you are talking about is the Falcon - 16MHz '030 and a 56K. Atari has not mad an '040 yet. #computer off the top of my head though. Is Atari even around any more? #I pass by the Dallas office every other day. The capital "A" fell off there #their yard sign about three monthes ago. Haven't seen it replaced, though #I have not seen a "for lease" sign in their window either... They are still around. Their headquaters is in Silicon Valley. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <C8IL0A.3vF@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <C8HpnD.I53@ms.uky.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 15:14:33 GMT In article <C8HpnD.I53@ms.uky.edu> sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) writes: #kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) writes: # #>Linux is so exciting because a fast, working 4.3 bsd is available! and it's #>awesome. Perhaps some day a 4.3bsd will be available in C form totally and #>they could be ported to sparces. # #This illustrates a point. You seem to think Linux is great. It is! #But it is a SysV based operating system -- NOT bsd! Linux is not Sys V based. Linux is based on the berkeley NET-2 distribution and contains *NO* AT&T source code. # # #I agree that Sun has some rocky times headed for it. But SysV will eventually #be a benefit to the company. The larger contracts (particularly government) #are going to want SysV. They want POSIX compliance. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: 3.1 Upgrade Issues Message-ID: <C8IL40.3wG@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1vcgn9$onq@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 15:16:47 GMT In article <1vcgn9$onq@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: #Do we have to buy the user + developer upgrade to get the developer Yes you need to buy both. #upgrade or is the user version included in the developer for $99? No. #I've read different stories. The correct story is that the user version is the OS. The developer package is IB, etc. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <C8IuJK.5Lu@ms.uky.edu> Date: 12 Jun 93 18:40:32 GMT References: <C8HpnD.I53@ms.uky.edu> <C8IL0A.3vF@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Organization: University of Kentucky kent@infoserv.com writes: >In article <C8HpnD.I53@ms.uky.edu> sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) writes: >#kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) writes: ># >#>Linux is so exciting because a fast, working 4.3 bsd is available! and it's >#>awesome. Perhaps some day a 4.3bsd will be available in C form totally and >#>they could be ported to sparces. ># >#This illustrates a point. You seem to think Linux is great. It is! >#But it is a SysV based operating system -- NOT bsd! >Linux is not Sys V based. Linux is based on the berkeley NET-2 distribution >and contains *NO* AT&T source code. Hmm. Well, from the March 93 Linux FAQ: "Linux is a freely distributable UNIX clone. It implements a subset of System V and POSIX functionality, and contains a lot of BSD-isms. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ LINUX has been written from scratch, and therefore does not contain ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ any AT&T or MINIX code--not in the kernel, the compiler, the utilities, or the libraries. For this reason it can be made available with the complete source code via anonymous FTP. LINUX runs only on 386/486 AT-bus machines; porting to non-Intel architectures is likely to be difficult, as the kernel makes extensive use of 386 memory management and task primitives." -- --Mike Mills E-Mail: sam@ms.uky.edu, {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!sam --UK Math Sciences Dept. mike@ukpr.uky.edu --(606) 257-1429 (work) 263-0721 (home)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: NEC UltraLite Message-ID: <1993Jun12.154958.7280@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Jun11.165904.7720@svcdudes.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 12 Jun 93 15:49:58 GMT In article <1993Jun11.165904.7720@svcdudes.com> moose@svcdudes.com writes: > > Sigh, I just got off the phone with NEC, the UltraLite with NeXTSTEP won't be > shipping until August. But they will have a good price for developers. Anyone > know of any portables out there running NeXTSTEP that's shipping today? > I know that many people at the show bought a VERSA at the local supplier and loaded 3.1 out of the box at the NEC booth. So it does work now. It is just a mater of finding a docking station and the drivers they were using at the show. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu (Pascal Chesnais) Subject: Re: NEC UltraLite Message-ID: <1993Jun12.203151.1320@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1993Jun11.165904.7720@svcdudes.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 20:31:51 GMT In article <1993Jun11.165904.7720@svcdudes.com> moose@svcdudes.com writes: > > Sigh, I just got off the phone with NEC, the UltraLite with NeXTSTEP won't be > shipping until August. But they will have a good price for developers. Anyone > know of any portables out there running NeXTSTEP that's shipping today? > > -- > Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com > Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer > Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro > #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement Ultralite VERSA will run NS today. NEC might not ship it to you that way until August. I have loaded it from floppy/cdrom with no problems. The only real drawback is that it does not run in color yet... Financially it might be better to wait for August for them to load it onto the machine for you. It is a fun machine. pasc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tbays@oak.math.ucla.edu (Tim Bays) Subject: blank monitor Message-ID: <1993Jun12.183044.16526@math.ucla.edu> Sender: news@math.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 12 Jun 93 18:30:44 GMT We have a turbo station (grayscale). The monitor went blank this morning without warning--i.e. no fuzziness, no pop when it went, etc. The cables seem to be alright, because the machine still responds to the keyboard and mouse. Does anyone know if this could be a quick fix; or have we lost the monitor? Any thoughts would be appreciated (via e-mail to tbays@math.ucla.edu). Tim p.s. Does anyone in the LA area have a non-ABD grayscale they would be willing to rent out for a few days?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: lfahnoe@kegworks.mn.org (Larry Fahnoe) Subject: Re: Elm/NeXTMail tricks Message-ID: <1993Jun12.125859.14736@kegworks.mn.org> Organization: The Kegworks, Minneapolis, Minnesota References: <1v44j7$314@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 12:58:59 GMT If the goal is to use NeXTMail only for NeXTMail messages, there is a far simpler approach than the previous poster suggested. Normally the mail spool directory is /usr/spool/mail, but you can change this with NeXTMail's Preferences/Expert panel. It needs to be an explicit path, or at least ~/Mail has not worked for me, so change it to where you have Elm saving mail to. I read all of my mail with Elm, but when I stumble upon the occasional NeXTMail message, I save it to a folder that matches my login name so that later I can fire up NeXTMail and have it be read. Nope, it's not automated, but for me it is simple and to the point. -- Larry Fahnoe Cellular One 612/832-7616 7900 S. Xerxes Ave, Suite 301 lfahnoe@kegworks.mn.org Minneapolis, MN 55431
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cmaeda+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Maeda) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <C8J3y1.40x.1@cs.cmu.edu> Keywords: sparc,sun Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon References: <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun9.152332.15049@news.nd.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 22:03:35 GMT In article <1993Jun9.152332.15049@news.nd.edu> matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer) writes: >In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd >Bernhard) writes: >>....... >> DESKTOPS: >> $3995: 59 MIPS, color, 16MB-96MB RAM, 207MB disk, 2 SBus I/O >slots, >> smaller than a Mac IIcx, etc. >> >> 4*135 MIPS MP on the desktop in a pizzabox smaller than most PCs >> 32MB-512MB RAM, 20+GB disk, 4 SBus I/O slots, starting under $15K. >> >> Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, >> Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation >> toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that> > >Just curious, but when you say 4 by 135 MIPS MP starting under $15K, isn't >that a little misleading? Last time I checked (a few months ago) $15K was >the cost of a uniprocessor Sparc 10, not the (quite a bit) more expensive >4 processor model. > Note that these performance figures are misleading. 135 MIPS is peak performance for the CPU in the Sparc 10. You have to have a perfect memory system and a really good superscalar compiler to get this kind of sustained performance. Perhaps Mr. Bernhard could post SPEC 92 figures measured on a real system to give us an idea of the kind of performance we would expect to really see. -- Chris Maeda, Grad Student and RetroGrouch <cmaeda@cs.cmu.edu> "A unix signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent of a black velvet clown painting. It's a rectangle of carets surrounding a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who."
From: kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Date: 12 Jun 1993 16:49:35 -0700 Organization: University of Arizona CS Department, Tucson AZ Sender: Nick Kline Message-ID: <1vdq2f$t0b@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> References: <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun9.152332.15049@news.nd.edu> <C8J3y1.40x.1@cs.cmu.edu> Keywords: sparc,sun In article <C8J3y1.40x.1@cs.cmu.edu> cmaeda+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Maeda) writes: @ @@Just curious, but when you say 4 by 135 MIPS MP starting under $15K, isn't @@that a little misleading? Last time I checked (a few months ago) $15K was @@the cost of a uniprocessor Sparc 10, not the (quite a bit) more expensive @@4 processor model. @@ @ @Note that these performance figures are misleading. 135 MIPS is peak @performance for the CPU in the Sparc 10. You have to have a perfect @memory system and a really good superscalar compiler to get this kind @of sustained performance. @ @Perhaps Mr. Bernhard could post SPEC 92 figures measured on a real @system to give us an idea of the kind of performance we would expect @to really see. @ The best way to think of vague performance figures like "mips" is to say that "You are guaranteed never to exceed this speed". That is the best way to think about them. Sometimes you see spec 89 benchmark figures. These may be bogus, because of recently developed compiler optimizations that yield anomously high specmark 89 numbers. Insist on spec 92 figures. -nick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (Matthias Zepf) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP on other 68K machines? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <1993Jun12.095117.3525@amylnd.stgt.sub.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Agnus' Home, Leonberg/Warmbronn, Germany References: <1993Jun10.211833.23740@seas.smu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 09:51:17 GMT David Leon (dleon@seas.smu.edu) wrote: >> '030 hardware is too slow. 68K Atari machines >> are waaaaaaayyyyy ttoooooooooo slooooowwwwwww. > > Doesn't Atari make 68040 25Mhz machines? I think they even have the Moto > 56001 (ring a bell) included as standard. No, they do not. The newest Atari computer called "Falcon" has the Motorola 68030 and 56k inside. Atari Germany said, there will be no 68040 computer and the current Falcon is dedicated to the consumer market--not to the professional market. Commodore offers two 68040 models (Amiga 4000 and Amiga 4000T). Every Amiga 2000 and Amiga 3000(T) can be upgrade with an 68040. But the current Amiga system do not offer useable resolutions--640x480 is not enough for NeXTSTEP. Several (third party) graphic cards are available, offering better resolutions (1024x768 or more). I see no hardware problem with a NeXTSTEP port for Apple Quadra. Matthias -- ** Matthias Zepf, Riegelaeckerstrasse 27, 71 229 Leonberg, Germany ** ** +49 7152 41917 Email: agnus@amylnd.stgt.sub.org (use NeXTmail!) ** ** === About 500 meg video games on cd-rom: ** ** "Commodore did it first, Sega did it right." === **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu (Doug Boyce) Subject: Re: CompuServe, has anyone written something for NextStep? Message-ID: <C8Ksrw.DM1@acsu.buffalo.edu> Keywords: CompuServe NeXTSTEP Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo References: <1uo8i9INNaa1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 19:57:31 GMT In article <1uo8i9INNaa1@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> claspac@tallis.ucsc.edu (Jas-Russell) writes: >I am interested in finding a front-end software package >for accessing compuserve using my NeXT. > >I tried loading the DOS based front-end under SoftPC but >it hangs the emulator and won't work. > >If anyone has experience with either of these >techniques for accessing compuserve from NeXTSTEP or >UNIX in general, I'd be interested. There is one in the works now although its in pre alpha. In its first incarnation it will be offline only although its being designed to support online traversal. In a few weeks (2-3) we are going to setup a beta testing program. Any one interested please respond and mention the network you use to access CompuServe (cis, tymnet, non-CONUS network). -- Doug Boyce , Advance 2000 Inc., 8560 Main St, Buffalo NY 716-631-5602(voice) 631-0569(fax) Also selling NEXTSTEP/FIP compatible hardware -- Doug Boyce dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to Buy. Message-ID: <88017@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 13 Jun 93 18:05:38 GMT References: <1993Jun11.155555.13010@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <1993Jun11.155555.13010@leland.Stanford.EDU> Stefano Pagiola, spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu writes: >Of course, you won't _really_ be a recognized, card-carrying member >of the NeXT community until you learn to type out NeXT in all-caps >with a lower-case `e.' Just buying the system isn't enough. So >practice: NeXT NeXT NeXT NeXT NeXT NeXT... > >;-) > >Of course, you'll then find yourself capitalizing the word even when >you shouldn't... If I had a dollar for every time I have typed "cd /NeXTDeveloper" instead of "cd /NextDeveloper" I would be fabulously wealthy. NeXT... it's not just a word, it's a habit. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 16:50:53 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93164.165053U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline Support? References: <1us1b2$nph@agate.berkeley.edu> <1230@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <C8Hyvw.n0J@utstat.toronto.edu> I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this (I haven't followed the entire thread), but Virtuoso has a great, slider adjustable "Baseline Shift" function in its Text inspector. -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu ideaLABS (NeXT-based multiple media production house)
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: pics from the Stone Design party at NeXTWorld Expo Date: 13 Jun 1993 20:32:54 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vg2tmINN9d@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1vbloe$nl4@usenet.rpi.edu> In article <1vbloe$nl4@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > Of course, I'm still not quite sold on how to make the perfect face-tiff, > due to the way that gamma-correction seems to be handled. I have face-tiffs > which look great on my color machine, but are much too dark when viewed on a > greyscale system. And ones which look reasonable on the greyscale system > come out much too bright-looking on the color. Sigh. > > Maybe I need to create face-tiffs with *two* images, one for color and a > different one for greyscale. Ick. This is indeed a problem, but since TIFF stands for Tagged IFF, it is possible to make a 64x64 TIFF with a picture for both colour and grayscale systems. This is a bit of a rotten job, but one could distribute this problem by letting the "owners" of the faces do it themselves, that way they can improve their looks and are solely responsible for the outcome :-))) Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) Subject: X windows for ND? Message-ID: <C8KzBz.BJs@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 22:19:11 GMT Does ANYBODY know of ANY X windows that will work with the NeXTDimension? Brian sela@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: beatty+@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU (Derek Beatty) Subject: app tile stuck on bottom of dock Message-ID: <C8L3AC.83J.1@cs.cmu.edu> Originator: beatty@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 23:44:34 GMT I once command-dragged the Recycler out of my dock, giving me room on my dock for one more app. Recently I wanted to rearrange my apps. Unfortunately, I couldn't get the app tile that I placed in the bottom dock position (i.e., where the Recycler was) to move. I haven't seen this problem described before. It turns out that the app in that position has to be running in order to move its tile. Strange. Probably some little line of special-case code thinks the recycler's still there... -- Derek_Beatty@cmu.edu ABD Comp Sci, CMU, 5000 Forbes, Pgh, PA 15213 USA (412) 268-7898 fax: (412) 621-5473 home: (412) 521-3482 [<11pm please]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: pics from the Stone Design party at NeXTWorld Expo Message-ID: <1993Jun13.191957.609@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Jun11.231117.27388@pixar.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 19:19:57 GMT I agree with the comments that 400 images would be tough to wade through, so some form of thumbnail collection would be great. Listing the hilights of each thumbnail collection would be a bonus too: "Susan Peterson dances with the Hooded Saran-Wrap Lady", "Glenn Reid looking pensive as he stands talking on the dance floor", "Intel marketing-types looking confused", "Are those lights MOUNTED on her head?", "The Dan Lavin Mini-Party", "Pretty cute for a cross-dresser", "Count the body piercings and win prizes!"... Also for the face-tiff's (which I think is a splendid idea), if they were posted in "sheets" with row and column designations, people could send names and e-mail addresses of the individuals to whomever is maintaining the list. That way "unknown" people could be accounted for (like me - assuming I'd really want any pictures of me from that party published!). Also, a face-tiff of the hooded dancer is a must... :-) Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: What to Buy. Message-ID: <1993Jun13.193532.802@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Jun11.155555.13010@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 19:35:32 GMT In article <1993Jun11.155555.13010@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Of course, you'll then find yourself capitalizing the word even when > you shouldn't... And noticing any time the word 'next' is used in ad copy, promo spots, etc. whether it has anything to do with NeXT or not. Then you'll find yourself wondering if the ad writer actually THOUGHT or KNEW of NeXT when he wrote it. You'll wonder whether it was a rip-off or whether it will benefit NeXT in the long run due to years of subliminal advertising. Ultimately you'll reach the stage where whenever you see NeXT or NEXTSTEP in print, your mind will briefly think that it saw YOUR OWN NAME. Then you'll start sharing your perception of this aberrant behavior with thousands of people.......uh oh! :-) Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: 486 byte ordering Message-ID: <C8JDHH.6CC@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun12.172637.9336@Princeton.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 01:29:40 GMT In article <1993Jun12.172637.9336@Princeton.EDU> paul@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Lansky) writes: # # #We have a cluster of black NeXT machines and #are contemplating getting a 486 machine to #break in. Unfortunately the byte ordering is #different on these machines. One is big endian #and the other little endian, (I forget which is #which). This, of course would create major problems #for sound and image files accessed across the network #between 68k and 486 machines. # #I'd like to know how others have dealt with this #problem. Are there hardware solutions? Or must this #be dealt with entirely in software. Thanks for any #information. It should not be a big deal. I haven't had any problem transferring tiffs on a PC running Windoz 3.0 and my NeXT. Sound files are a NeXT standard and I think that the software on a i486 should be able to handle this with no problem. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: tbays@math.ucla.edu (Tim Bays) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cancel <1993Jun12.183044.16526@math.ucla.edu> Message-ID: <1993Jun14.002642.26174@math.ucla.edu> Date: 14 Jun 93 00:26:42 GMT References: <1993Jun12.183044.16526@math.ucla.edu> Control: cancel <1993Jun12.183044.16526@math.ucla.edu> Sender: news@math.ucla.edu Distribution: usa Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department <1993Jun12.183044.16526@math.ucla.edu> was cancelled from within rn.
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to Buy. Date: 14 Jun 1993 03:28:59 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vgr9r$bje@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993Jun13.193532.802@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: > spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > > Of course, you'll then find yourself capitalizing the word even > > when you shouldn't... I bought a modem for my Mac, and the owner's manual that came with it had "NeXT" in a title of one of it's sections (and the section had nothing to do with NeXT Computers Inc, or any of it's products). > And noticing any time the word 'next' is used in ad copy, > promo spots, etc. whether it has anything to do with NeXT > or not. Then you'll find yourself wondering if the ad > writer actually THOUGHT or KNEW of NeXT when he wrote it. You'll also find yourself sitting in presentations from other vendors, and wonder if they purposely avoid the word "next". I was at one five-hour presentation last fall from some other company last fall, where the word "next" was never mentioned -- not even once. Given that the presentation was about all kinds of new machines they were releasing, there were a lot of pretty natural places to use the word "next". I'd rag on the company, but actually I'd have to admit that it's probably the proper thing to do (assuming they did do it on purpose). Gordon's comments, above, pretty much prove that it would be right... :-) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT NON-POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS IN 3.1 ? Date: 13 Jun 1993 22:45:58 -0500 Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc Message-ID: <1vgs9m$1fs@valinor.cubetech.com> References: <1udsr5$6aj@moonshot.west.oic.com> <1993Jun4.091942.183@elysia.fdn.org> <1993Jun10.184852.11570@RedBrick.COM> In article <1993Jun10.184852.11570@RedBrick.COM> jfr@RedBrick.COM (Jon Rosen) writes: >In article <1993Jun4.091942.183@elysia.fdn.org> luis@elysia.fdn.org writes: >>At one of the developer s conferences at NeXTWORLD EXPO, a lawyer speaking >>on software protection stated that shrink-wrap licenses are basically not >>binding and probably don t hold up in court. So I would go ahead and use >>whatever printer you feel like using. > > Probably the same lawyer who will come ambulance chasing to "offer" > you his services when you violate a shrink-wrap agreement and then > get sued, or worse, arrested. There have, in fact, been many cases > of shrink-wrap agreements being upheld both in civil cases AND in > criminal software piracy cases. There are ways to make the agreement > binding, as long as the purchaser has rights to "get out" of the > agreement prior to "executing it" by opening the package, and if > the terms are not unconscionable in the opinion of the court. It depends on where in the country you live. Here in Texas (an Louisiana, etc...), the district court has ruled that 'shrinkwrap' licenses aren't worth the paper they are written on without a signature. The best thing to do is get in touch with a reputable intellectual property attorney in your area. This goes especially for software manufacturerers. However, I don't advocate violating your licensing agreement. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Any way to load NS/I from floppies? Message-ID: <88021@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 14 Jun 93 02:46:42 GMT References: <1993Jun11.213009.3929@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <1993Jun11.213009.3929@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> Anthony Berno, aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes: >Is there *any* humanly possible way to load NS/I from floppy disks? I have >a Cube with a CD-ROM, and a NEC Ultralite for which I have no use for a >dock/SCSI adapter save to load the system. Uh, I hope you don't mean the Developer version with full install of extra software and all that, you could be talking over 150 floppy disks (and you thought OS/2 took ages to install). If you do find a way to do it you'd better take a long weekend for it. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: pics from the Stone Design party at NeXTWorld Expo Message-ID: <88022@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 14 Jun 93 03:03:44 GMT References: <1993Jun11.231117.27388@pixar.com> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <1993Jun11.231117.27388@pixar.com> Michael B. Johnson, wave@pixar.com writes: >Hi folks. Well, as promised, I shot many a roll of pictures at Andrew >Stone's party at NeXTWorld Expo. For those of you who weren't there, you >missed a most excellent bash. Anyway, I got the film put on PhotoCD >(there were over 400 pictures). I'm now trying to figure out the best way >to make these images available to the InterNet folks at large. It might >take me a week or two to get around to this, but I'm looking for some >intelligent input on how to do this. Some issues: You could post them to alt.binaries.pictures.misc ... there hasn't been anything very interesting posted there of late, that way anyone could access them. Probably GIF would be the most "open" format though it wouldn't do a whole lot for image size. File sizes in the 200K range would be preferable and some sort of index images would be nice so people could see which they might want to extract. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Date: 14 Jun 1993 05:09:16 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m1o1vsINN96o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun9.152332.15049@news.nd.edu> <C8J3y1.40x.1@cs.cmu.edu> Keywords: sparc,sun In article <C8J3y1.40x.1@cs.cmu.edu> cmaeda+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Maeda) writes: >>In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd >>Bernhard) writes: >>> >>> 4*135 MIPS MP on the desktop in a pizzabox smaller than most PCs > >Perhaps Mr. Bernhard could post SPEC 92 figures measured on a real >system to give us an idea of the kind of performance we would expect >to really see. Happy to. 65.2 SPECint92 and 83.0 SPECfp92. Of course, that's a uniprocessor benchmark. SPECrate_int and SPECrate_fp are 2950 and 3744 respectively. That's at 50Mhz SuperSPARC+. >Chris Maeda, Grad Student and RetroGrouch <cmaeda@cs.cmu.edu> ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garrett@renaissance.com Subject: Re: Last time (was Re: 8000 apps) Message-ID: <1993Jun14.060459.3539@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: garrett@nugget.rmNUG.ORG (Garrett Rice) Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <m1k80mINN6o7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 06:04:59 GMT In article <m1k80mINN6o7@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: :Enough already. The whole reason I posted was to correct :the mistake re how many apps Sun has. I don't expect to :convert NeXT fanatics. I do expect them accept that they :might not have *all* the facts. : :If/when NeXTSTEP proves itself in the market, who knows? :Stranger things have happened...we've done it with Novell :NetWare, Motif, etc...but they had proven themselves. : :---todd : :In article coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) writes: :>We're Catalyst members, and we have the phonebook-sized catalog. And :>we have a SPARC machine which we use all day long. But we can't :>STAND Solaris or OpenWindows. We access the SPARC through NEXTSTEP :>running on a NeXTcube. It's the only way I can tolerate that darn :>Solaris. I think Sun is crazy not supporting NEXTSTEP on their machines. :>Face it, it's better. Period. Solaris is a joke. Ok? Thank you. :-) :> :>-- brian :> :Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, :Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation :toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that> : Yeah, maybe we ought to cool it on the Sun guys. I mean, they're still reading the NeXT news groups aren't they? They secretly like NS. Besides, Solaris owns less than 5% of the total desktop market anyway. NeXT has got bigger fish to fry. The real competition is NT, Taligent, and Cairo. Er... Well... I guess just NT for now. 8^) Garrett Rice garrett@renaissance.com (NeXTmail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson (Ken Anderson) Subject: Re: 486 byte ordering Message-ID: <1993Jun13.173530.13998@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <1993Jun12.172637.9336@Princeton.EDU> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 17:35:30 GMT In article <1993Jun12.172637.9336@Princeton.EDU> paul@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Paul Lansky) writes: We have a cluster of black NeXT machines and are contemplating getting a 486 machine to break in. Unfortunately the byte ordering is different on these machines. One is big endian and the other little endian, (I forget which is which). This, of course would create major problems for sound and image files accessed across the network between 68k and 486 machines. I'd like to know how others have dealt with this problem. Are there hardware solutions? Or must this be dealt with entirely in software. Thanks for any information. Paul Lansky paul@princeton.edu Paul, Since standard formats like TIFF have byte ordering information built into their specifications, there are no such problems. In fact, you can even move your own binary data back and forth between the machines if you use NeXT's encoding scheme. In my office, we are currently running a mixed network of NeXT and Intel machines running NEXTSTEP, and everything is pretty much fine and dandy. In fact, I have the development software for the Intel mounted from a 68K machine (not enough space on the Intel), and it all works fine. Ken Anderson anderson@biztech.com Stamford, CT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Thierry.Desbois@metasoft.fdn.org Subject: Re: Taligent/PowerPC info Message-ID: <1993Jun11.152557.3171@metasoft.fdn.org> Keywords: Taligent,PowerPC,IBM,Apple Sender: news@metasoft.fdn.org Organization: Metasoft - Rennes, France. References: <1v1oqo$3jo@paperboy.osf.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 15:25:57 GMT In article <1v1oqo$3jo@paperboy.osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes: > In article <1993Jun5.105605.14681@prim>, dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > |> In article <1uomd7$bcg@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu writes: > |> >Our local IBM salesman gave a presentation on Taligent and PowerPC yesterday, [...] > |> >On top of that will be AIX, OS/2, NT, System 7, Solaris, or NeXTSTEP. > > The nice man from IBM is confused, on top of Mach 3.0 will be DOS, Windows, > OS/2 and AIX (aka OSF/1.3), don't know about Taligent. What he means is > that NT, Solaris and System 7 will run on top of the power pc architecture. > > |> What about Taligent? :-) This is puzzling. If it's based on Mach 3 and lets > |> you run all those OS flavours, what _is_ Taligent exactly? > > You're confused ! Taligent is yet another OS personality YAOSP (TM). It > doesn't run those OS flavors, Mach does. (actually, I've not seen any > announcement from Taligent about what kernel it is based on, or what it really > is). In the Newsletter "Micro & Decideurs" from IBM France - May 92, you could read : "Wrong Ideas : The OS from TALIGENT will never replace OS/2 Nobody can plan today if the IBM/Apple firm will launch an OS. TALIGENT plan, for the moment, to release a development toolkit and, developped with these tools, some application skeletons. These applications will run on top of OS/2 with an adaptation module and also on top of the future WOS from IBM (Workspace Operating System) with the use of Taligent "personality" in addition of DOS, DOS/Windows, OS/2 and Unix personalities" (The code name of the system is "Pink", The language used by Taligent to develop Pink is C++) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thierry Desbois Tel: (+33) 99 31 68 00 Fax: (+33) 99 35 00 45 Metasoft ted@metasoft.fdn.org [NeXTmail welcome] ----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hanssgen@irau38.ira.uka.de (Stefan Haenssgen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Fast line moving in View? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Date: 14 Jun 1993 08:43:22 GMT Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vhdna$shf@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A friend of mine has the following problem: He wants to move two differently colored vertical lines in a view (i.e. an instance of the class View). Each time a line is moved to a new position, the display method of the view has to be invoked to draw the lines. In his case the size of the view is 800 * 600 pixel, and displaying takes about half a second - much to slow for his application. How can one speed up the display? (Sample code welcome :-) Is there any possibility to realize a line as a 1 pixel wide window in some color and to put this window in front of the view? Many thanx in advance Stefan -- ,-----,------,--,--, Stefan Haenssgen, Comp Sci, Uni Karlsruhe, Germany / / / / / Email: haenssgen@ira.uka.de or uk0w@dkauni2.bitnet / ---/-, ,-/ / / IRC: sth Phone: +49/721/593910 Fax: hoo nose / / / / / / Snail: Nuitsstr. 2c, W-7500 Karlsruhe 21, Germany /--- / / / / / / <I collect postcards from all over the world *hint* :> / / / / / / / "Use the SOURCE, Luke!" (Return of the RedEye Nights) '-----' '--' '--'--' "I feel a great disturbance in the SOURCE"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: CFD: Proposed name change Message-ID: <C8Lnso.F8z@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 07:07:35 GMT I propose that this newsgroup be renamed: comp.sys.next.is.failing.so.maybe.at.least.we.can.bring.sun.down.with.us Alternatively,: comp.sys.next.we.can't.win.so.neither.should.sun comp.sys.next.it's.ok.if.microsoft.rules.the.world.so.long.as.sun.loses comp.sys.next.is.losing.sun.is.winning.so.they.must.be.doing.something.bad How pathetic. If you people had any real confidence in NeXT, you wouldn't be compelled to carp about Sun all the time. Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net
From: f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: POP3 on a NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jun14.081606.5151@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> Date: 14 Jun 93 08:16:05 CST Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University Does anyone have a POP3 server running on a NeXT? Is it difficult to set up? -- kc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Why NeXT? Message-ID: <ibhan.740067316@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 14 Jun 93 14:15:16 GMT I'm going to be a sophomore at Harvard this fall, and I'm going to be selling my current computer (an Apple Mac PowerBook Duo 230) to get something more powerful: either a Mac III (due out in August) or a 486 for NeXTStep. I'd like to hear people's views on WHY I should use NeXTStep as a college student. What advantages will it have for me? I know how to program in C. The idea of easy custom apps really interests me. How realistic is this? How long would it take me to learn Obj-C? What are the other advantages of NeXTStep (I know it's UNIX based, thus has pre-emptive multitasking). -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
From: jack@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com (Jack Gidding) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Intel Software Message-ID: <4398@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com> Date: 14 Jun 93 13:35:18 GMT Sender: news@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com Does anyone have a list of the software on the net that has be recompiled for NS/I? Now that I have my Intel all ready to go, I am missing several apps that I really like from the black... KPerfMon Date(of course this is a NS2.1 app so no dice here) NewsGrazer ImageViewer Opener Spotlight, etc..... Is anyone in this group keeping a list of Apps ported to Intel and where to get them? Maybe a FAQ addition or a weekly posting???? --- Jack Gidding Sr. Development Engineer Reuters 1400 Kensington Road Oak Brook,IL 60521 jack@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com NeXT mail welcome! ----------------------------------------------------------- "Credit is a euphemism for debt." - Billy McKenzie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: Question about NS/I ( CD-ROM & ATI ) Message-ID: <1993Jun14.203211.16432@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 20:32:11 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.sys.next.hardware ] [ Author was *** Mark Lin *** ] [ Posted on Mon, 14 Jun 1993 20:28:42 GMT ] Hi, all NS/I users: I saw many people was succesfully installed the NS/I ... Some question I want to know: Does anyone use the double-speed CD-ROM driver ... I think the NS 3.2 will formal support the Photo CD, so double-speed CD-ROM is a better choose for the people to buy ... Does anyone use the ATI EISA VL version ( not ISA VL ), my friend told me that ATI * DO * have EISA VL, so it's also a better choose if you want to use EISA VL motherboard ... then you can use EISA VL graphics card and EISA SCSI card ... any information will be glad to see ... Thanks Mark - - - - - - - - - - u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw ( NOT NeXTmail please )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shaw@feanor.xel.com (Greg Shaw) Subject: NeXT Required Hardware Message-ID: <C8MBrv.Izw@feanor.xel.com> Summary: What hardware for NeXT? Keywords: OS, NeXT, Unix, PC Organization: XEL Communications, Inc. Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 15:45:30 GMT Pardon my ignorance if this is in the FAQ (I haven't found one yet), but, I was wondering what hardware is *REQUIRED* for NeXTStep. I currently have a 386/33, which I will relegate to bbs work under unix, but, I am considering buying a 486 class machine to run NeXTStep. Given this, what should I look for in a new machine? Oh, and does NS support non-PS printers? I've got a epson (hp LJ IIp clone) that I use under unix, but would like to print with NS. Greg. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ You can't go against nature, because when you do, Greg Shaw go against nature, it's part of nature too. shaw@feanor.xel.com Love & Rockets uunet!csn!xel.com!shaw
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Digital Librarian and the online documentation Message-ID: <1993Jun14.211937.3822@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Organization: Digital Fix Development Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 21:19:37 GMT I've been doing a little experimenting with Digital Librarian and the online documentation over the past few hours, and have found some definate ways to improve speed, although I'm not sure what to do about it. Big files like CommonFunctions.rtf take forever to load. And the entry->otherentry Lines are a total waste when doing searches. Like I want all those extra hits. I went through and selected each 'set' of explanation (they are grouped together in related functions, with a description and stuff right after) and saved each of them out to a separate RTF file. It is MUCH faster now, and the information is in a more concise form. What would be really great is if all the See Also: entries could be made into hyperlinks to the other files. Anyone have any ideas how to do that, and more importantly, automate this file division? Scott -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: What to Buy. Message-ID: <1993Jun14.184155.10134@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 18:41:55 GMT References: <1993Jun13.193532.802@metrosoft.com> Sender: clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com Organization: GiantLeap Software Gordon Van Huizen writes >In article <1993Jun11.155555.13010@leland.Stanford.EDU> >spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: >And noticing any time the word 'next' is used in ad copy, >promo spots, etc. whether it has anything to do with NeXT >or not. Then you'll find yourself wondering if the ad >writer actually THOUGHT or KNEW of NeXT when he wrote it. >You'll wonder whether it was a rip-off or whether it will >benefit NeXT in the long run due to years of subliminal Interstingly, there is a new program on The Learning Channel (Tuesday nights) called "(The) Next Step". I'm not sure if they use "The" or not. Anyway, it looks like a technology oriented show. I'm going to check it out. One thing NeXT has to worry about it the loss of exclusivity on their trademark. Charles. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iansolo@cubx.fdn.org (Olivier Aubin) Subject: How to reach John C Davis? Message-ID: <1993Jun14.172959.24046@cubx.com> Sender: news@cubx.com Organization: Cub'x Systemes - Rueil Malmaison, France. Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 17:29:59 GMT Sorry to post this here. I'm desperatly trying to reach John C Davis (jcd@aladdin.aero.org). As e-mail connection does not work, I'm looking for his fax#. Thanks. ---- o_aubin@cubx.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Info on NeXTSTEP!!! Message-ID: <1vimhv$3uj@parsifal.umkc.edu> From: azahid@sparc1.cstp.umkc.edu (Zahid Abbasi) Date: 14 Jun 1993 20:20:15 GMT Distribution: world Organization: University of Missouri Kansas City Originator: azahid@sparc1 I have been trying to gather as much info about NeXTSTEP as possible. So far I have input from a lot of users who will probably recognize the questions, but I will appreciate if more "nexteers" can find time to share their experiences. 1) How do you rate NeXTStep as a development environment? 2) How much effort needs to be put in to learn NeXTSTEP programming(GUI, Obj-C etc.)? 3) On a 1 to 10(best) scale how do you rate NeXTSTEP against windows? 4) On a 1 to 10(best) scale how do you rate NeXTSTEP against Motif/X-windows? 5) Will you recommend NeXTSTEP to other poeple? Please be assured that these questions are for personal research only and not part of any corporate survey. Again thanks for your time. Zahid Abbasi. E-MAIL:azahid@sparc1.cstp.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: CFD: Proposed name change Message-ID: <1993Jun15.015401.29565@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <C8Lnso.F8z@molly.uucp> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 01:54:01 GMT In article <C8Lnso.F8z@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: > I propose that this newsgroup be renamed: > > comp.sys.next.is.failing.so.maybe.at.least.we.can.bring.sun.down.with.us > > Alternatively,: > > comp.sys.next.we.can't.win.so.neither.should.sun > comp.sys.next.it's.ok.if.microsoft.rules.the.world.so.long.as.sun.loses OK by me, so long as we work on a few Sun newgroup names: comp.sys.sun.we.believe.everything.marketing.people.tell.us comp.sys.sun.we.still.can't.believe.we.lost.major.sales.to.black.hardware comp.sys.sun.we.can't.believe.we're.still.losing.sales.to.the.damn.software and of course comp.sys.sun.we.don't.like.NEXTSTEP.since.Jobs.wouldn't.sell.NeXT.to.us > How pathetic. If you people had any real confidence in NeXT, you wouldn't be > compelled to carp about Sun all the time. A fascinating but completely flawed observation, in the great USENET tradition. Here's another: get a clue. Isn't this fun? As for Todd sticking his nose around here to stir up trouble, I haven't seen any good come from it as of yet. But hey, it's always amusing to see different marketing spins from various companies. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: walters@id.com (Chris Walters) Subject: Re: CFD: Proposed name change In-Reply-To: uunet!molly!vlcek's message of Mon, 14 Jun 1993 07: 07:35 GMT Message-ID: <WALTERS.93Jun14205359@corndog.id.com> Sender: walters@corndog.id.com (Chris Walters) Organization: Intrinsic Development Corp. References: <C8Lnso.F8z@molly.uucp> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 01:53:59 GMT In article <C8Lnso.F8z@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: How pathetic. If you people had any real confidence in NeXT, you wouldn't be compelled to carp about Sun all the time. Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net Some of us want to carp about Sun, not just to give them a bad rap or a hard time, but rather because we want them to improve their image and products. Suns play a fundamentally different role than NeXT in the computing environments where I work, and, like NeXT, NT, OS/2, and DOS, have a variety of strengths and weaknesses. All machines and environments have good and bad points. -- Chris -- Chris Walters 10600 Arrowhead Dr., Suite 350 RDR, Inc. Oakton, VA 22030 walters@rdr.com (703)591-8713,(703)273-8170 FAX ------------------------- Hack Naked --------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: The Next Step (was Re: What to Buy.) Message-ID: <1993Jun15.014846.20517@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun13.193532.802@metrosoft.com> <1993Jun14.184155.10134@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 01:48:46 GMT In article <1993Jun14.184155.10134@gleap.jpunix.com> clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com writes: >Interstingly, there is a new program on The Learning Channel (Tuesday nights) >called "(The) Next Step". I'm not sure if they use "The" or not. Anyway, it >looks like a technology oriented show. I'm going to check it out. One thing >NeXT has to worry about it the loss of exclusivity on their trademark. The show is produced locally by KRON Video Enterprises and airs weekly on San Francisco's channel 4 (Sunday nights, if I'm not mistaken). I think the folks in Redwood City already know about it. :-) It's also been written up in NeXTWORLD magazine. It started out as an occasional segment on KRON-TV news, and there's now enough accumulated material to repackage into half hours for national distribution. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: MIDI on NS/I Message-ID: <ibhan.740113081@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 15 Jun 93 02:58:01 GMT I'm seriously considering going with a NeXTStep/486 combo, but there's one question that I really need to have answered: how difficult will it be to get a good MIDI setup. I've been doing MIDI on my Mac for a while now, but I need advice on how to get started with NeXTStep, and whether I can realistically do MIDI with NS/I. What MIDI cards/interfaces are supported? Will I be forced to use Windows for MIDI? I have a "real" synth, so the sound hardware is not an issue. -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Message-ID: <2C1D3C92.1B46@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <1vb4no$nr0@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 03:05:53 GMT Nick Kline writes > I don't hate sun. It is really sad to see a great company follow that > inevitable road. You start out having lots of energy and try new things. > If successful, then you can become huge in the marketplace (like sun did). > > Then, after a while, an inevitable conservatism creeps in. Marketers become > too powerful, setting names (Sparc 10, awesome name), prices, even limiting > functionality, so they don't internally compete with themselves. This seems to sum it up for many of us. There was a time, and what a time. But I wonder where Bill Joy lost the push, and if he is still Joyful? I wonder why the marketing, deal-making, hustling side took over so fast and eventually buried the engineers. I wonder why Sun hired to hire and gained that awesome reputation in the Bay Area: They hire anything on two legs that can remember to type in the password at the correct prompt. Something went way wrong along the line. Clearly there are really clever and good people there. But the mush! Disappointing. Sad. I want to cry. Let Sun (and many others) be a lesson. Let's not hit the fragile NeXT over the head everytime they make a mistake. That reaction leads to companies justifying trying to not make mistakes, which leads to convervatism, and on down. Avoiding the losses rather than striving for wins. I say, celebrate the mistakes that NeXT makes for they are still willing to try that which they are not certain of and don't try to justify with BS. To get to the promised land of mainstream sales NeXT still has some mistakes ahead. Mark R. Thomsen TRW and Gemstone Systems
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change Date: 15 Jun 1993 03:37:25 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Distribution: world Message-ID: <m1qgvlINNeai@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> In article nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <C8Lnso.F8z@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: >> I propose that this newsgroup be renamed: >> >> comp.sys.next.is.failing.so.maybe.at.least.we.can.bring.sun.down.with.us Great! >> Alternatively,: >> >> comp.sys.next.we.can't.win.so.neither.should.sun >> comp.sys.next.it's.ok.if.microsoft.rules.the.world.so.long.as.sun.loses > >OK by me, so long as we work on a few Sun newgroup names: > >comp.sys.sun.we.believe.everything.marketing.people.tell.us how about: comp.sys.next.denial.aint.just.a.river.in.egypt >comp.sys.sun.we.don't.like.NEXTSTEP.since.Jobs.wouldn't.sell.NeXT.to.us If you've paid attention, at least *I* really like NeXTSTEP, and Steve Jobs. >As for Todd sticking his nose around here to stir up trouble, I haven't Well, you may find this hard to believe, but I'm not trying to stir up trouble. I've never initiated a thread...just replied to mistakes or misinformation in other posts. >seen any good come from it as of yet. But hey, it's always amusing to see >different marketing spins from various companies. Well, if you prefer to keep your head in the sand, that's your prerogative. But when you try to win over Sun customers, and others...you won't get far if you don't know the facts. For example, here's a quote from a NeXT advocate who prefers to remain in the dark. From the bottom of my heart, why don't you try to stop talking in business sense and throwing around those meaningless (to me) figures? The figures only means to business. It's this type of disinterest and even preference to ignore business sense that will stunt NeXT's advocates' credibility. I hope it's not a breach of netiquette, since that was in an email, so I'll leave the name off the above quote (1) to avoid embarrassing the individual, and (2) so many of you can see yourself in the reflection. >Nathan "USENET" Janette ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CFD: Proposed name change Date: 15 Jun 1993 04:05:29 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vjhqd$geb@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993Jun15.015401.29565@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > As for Todd sticking his nose around here to stir up trouble, I > haven't seen any good come from it as of yet. But hey, it's > always amusing to see different marketing spins from various > companies. I think we're better off by having someone from Sun poking around in here. This is true if Todd doesn't win every debate he finds himself in the middle of. It is true simply because of the effect it will have on *us*, knowing that someone from Sun would be around to catch us if we get a little too carried away with fabulous Sun-bashing ancedotes. If we can't stand to have our comments cross-checked, then we probably should shut up about them. I'm not much of a fan of Sun, but I'm not a rabid hater of Sun either. One would think that now NeXT is out of the hardware business, we should be able to deal with *all* makers of interesting hardware -- and that certainly includes Sun. (still, to answer the person who started this thread, I don't really think Sun has been beaten up all *that* bad in csn lately. A few of their marketting claims get pounced upon, of course) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: katzung@swissbank.com (Brian Katzung) Subject: Re: How can I read NeXTMail on a SUN ? Message-ID: <1993Jun14.233914.1984@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division References: <1993Jun11.103940.13250@elysia.fdn.org> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 23:39:14 GMT In article <1993Jun11.103940.13250@elysia.fdn.org> luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) writes: > Does anyone out there know if there is any software available so that I > can send NeXTmail to my friends working on Sun workstations ? Yes. I frequently send and receive NeXT Mail on a Sun. I will send you the code by mail. If anybody else is interested, just let me know. -- Brian Katzung katzung@{i88.isc, swissbank}.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: $849 1.2 gig drives Message-ID: <C8n52p.H4r@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 02:18:24 GMT I posted that I could get Maxtor P0-12S (full height) refurbished drives for $849. The place is called Disk Drive Depot They are located at 500-H lawrence Expressway Sunnyvale, Ca. 94086 (408)738-3895 They are a portion of a company called Corporate Systems Center also in Sunnyvale, Ca. I think they do mail order. The only relationship I have with them is that I have one of their refubished P0-12S drives in my NeXTcube and a LXT213S in a NScolor. They have good service. Please no more mail asking the name and location!!!!!! Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Any way to load NS/I from floppies? Message-ID: <1993Jun14.151938.25892@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jun11.213009.3929@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 15:19:38 GMT In article <1993Jun11.213009.3929@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno) writes: > > Is there *any* humanly possible way to load NS/I from floppy disks? I have > a Cube with a CD-ROM, and a NEC Ultralite for which I have no use for a > dock/SCSI adapter save to load the system. > > I don't care if it takes ten hours to do it, I just want to get it done > somehow. Pull the hard drive out of the NEC and put it in a desktop 486 with a SCSI adaptor to do the installation. M
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Last time (was Re: 8000 apps) Message-ID: <1993Jun14.152908.25976@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jun14.060459.3539@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 15:29:08 GMT In article <1993Jun14.060459.3539@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> garrett@renaissance.com writes: > Solaris owns less than 5% of the total desktop market anyway. That looks like a typo. I assume you meant 0.5%. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: marwood@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Marwood) Subject: Using the Music Kit Message-ID: <C8D6F5.149@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Summary: Can the Music Kit produce _real_ music? Keywords: Music Kit, NeXT, sound, experiment, MIDI Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 17:11:28 GMT NeXT users, I'm trying to use a NeXT to synthesize music for a sound experiment. Subjects will be presented with a sound and asked to identify it by making a selection on the computer screen. The music I'm trying to generate will have only a few notes (about 2 to 10 seconds worth) but the duration of each note must be fairly accurate (within about 0.1 seconds). The notes must sound like distinguishable, identifiable instruments (piano, flute, horn, etc.). The sounds should not be pre-recorded (should be produced dynamically) since there are at least 200 distinct sounds to be produced by varying only two or three parameters. The question is, how possible is this on a NeXT station? While I'm not familiar with the NeXT, I'm told by our local guru that using the Music Kit is the way to go. While I have played with Ensemble, I was unable to produce an instrument that sounded unlike a harp or flute. Can different instruments be produced by the Music Kit? Will I have to program the instruments myself or are there distinguishable "canned" instruments available? What degree of accuracy is available with the Music Kit? Is there a good chance the duration of a note can be specified within 0.1 seconds? Finally, if there are any NeXT music experts out there, we are comparing the NeXT to buying about 500$Cdn worth of MIDI equipment to attach to a Mac or IBM. Can the Music Kit compare to a MIDI box? Are both able to meet my requirements? Thanks in advance for all your help. If possible, please e-mail any responses so they aren't lost among the other message in these newsgroups. Thanks... - David Marwood - marwood@cpsc.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Good news for all Message-ID: <C8nA9w.GFM@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown References: <C8JroH.EBu@molly.uucp> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 04:10:43 GMT In article <C8JroH.EBu@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (I) write: >Here's a question: could SVR4.2 be implemented as a personality atop a Mach >kernel? Would not NEXTSTEP atop such a system gain such handy things as iBCS >compatibility with the other SVR4 Intel ports, and not have to undergo such >a code rewrite as would be entailed by an NT port? Just yesterday I wrote that, and today I read that USL/Univel/Novell is/are migrating SVR4.2 to a microkernel architecture. Today's (Monday's) ComputerWorld discusses the plans to place NetWare, Unix and DOS/Windows personalities atop a microkernel to provide better integration of NetWare services into competitive OS environments. A tantalizing notion: the acquisition of NeXT by Novell, and the inclusion of NEXTSTEP as either a personality atop the microkernel, or as an environment atop the SVR4.2 personality ... gaining much compatibility with the rest of the Unix world, and providing UnixWare with a real killer interface... Ah, one can dream . . . Monday's ComputerWorld, by the way, is a must for NeXTophiles; there is a slavishly complimentary review of NEXTSTEP in the issue's report on object-oriented environments. I forgot to bring the thing home, but will do so tomorrow and will post key excerpts if none other has already done so. Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (David Jeske) Subject: NeXTStep 3.0 for BLACK Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 19:04:44 GMT Summary: Were looking for NS 3.0 for NeXT machines to be bought used Message-ID: <C8Ivnx.5qz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: NeXTStep, BLACK, 3.0 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana ******************** WANTED ********************** NeXTSTEP 3.0 for NeXT machines -> looking to buy several used copies of NeXTSTEP 3.0 for NeXT Machines. email fbs@cenplus.com if you have some to sell. -- David Jeske(N9LCA)/CompEng Student at Univ of Ill at Cham-Urbana/NeXT Programmer CoCreator of the GinsuTalk Chat Software System - online at (708)998-0008 Mail: jeske@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu NeXTMail: jeske@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu jeske@atlantis.eid.anl.gov Talk: jeske@armageddon.slip.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: Extinction, revival, and other thoughts Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 02:34:24 GMT Message-ID: <C8n5tC.I0A@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: next, topical, humor Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Those of you back from Isla Nublar for the weekend will appreciate this: "Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear." -- with high hopes for joining the NeXT world, Steve Weintz NeXTMail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu
From: waynem@bcarh4e6.bnr.ca (Wayne MacLaurin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: On/Off switch on NeXT Monitor Date: 15 Jun 1993 13:23:34 GMT Organization: S.I.R. Tools Development - BNR Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vkigm$9dv@bcarh4e2.bnr.ca> G'day, Has anybody wondered why NeXT didn't put a simple on/off switch on their mono monitors ? I usually leave my slab on all the time but that monitor really pumps out alot of heat. A simple on/off switch would be some much better. On a similar note, has anybody tried putting an on/off switch on a monitor ? +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Wayne MacLaurin S.I.R. Tools Development | | waynem@bnr.ca Bell Northern Research | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Did you got rid of all the voices in your head ? - David | | Do you now miss them and things that they said ? - Gilmour | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Did Intel partly fund NS/FIP? Message-ID: <1993Jun15.123203.8500@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1vju16INNpdg@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 12:32:03 GMT In article <1vju16INNpdg@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) writes: > In the June 14, 1993 issue of Time magazine, there is a sidebar with > "Bill Gates On...". > > "...CHIPMAKER AND LONG-TIME PARTNER INTEL: We do work with each other, > but that doesn't stop Intel from lending money to Steve Jobs to help > him put Next [sic] on their system." > > How much is this true? Is it FUD {Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt]?. > RWW. Last year, I heard that Intel had _paid_ NeXT 1 million $ to do the port. This was at NWE '92. This, and the lateness of the Pentium chip, would in part explain the lateness of NS/I to com out (Intel wants OSs that can justify purchases of its most advanced - expensive - chips, etc...). At least it does to my deranged mind! %^)> Anybody care to comment? Ciao > -- > Robert W. Wong Jr. > wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) > Crasher of Automated Banking Machines -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Si la classe ouvriere ne nous satisfait plus, nous la destituerons< > et en elirons une autre" B. Brecht (ne parlans pas d'informatique)<
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems with NS/FIP installation -> keyboard lock-up (Gateway 2000 warning!!!!) Date: 15 Jun 1993 15:57:48 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1vkrhs$ht@menudo.uh.edu> We are having repeatable problems trying to install NS/fip on a Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V system. This system has the following configuration: Phoenix 80486 Rom Bios Plus ver 0.10 GJX30-01d (1985-1990) Micronics Local Bus Motherboard 16M Ram ATI Ultra Pro Graphics Adapter with 2M VRAM and RAMDAC chipset 124 Key "Anykey" keyboard 340M Harddrive Adaptec 1540C SCSI Host adapter The problem is similar to the ones that others are experiencing: When the installation gets to the point where it asks for a language (i.e.) Type 1 to use the English language and USA keyboard while ... Tapez 2 pour installer NEXSTEP avec un clavier et des ... Eingabe 3 fur NEXSTEP-Installation mit deutscher ... At this point the keyboard is completely dead. It will not respond. The only recourse is to reboot. Various BIOS settings as well as boot parameters have been tried. They all end with the same result -- a locked keyboard. The problem could be worked around if the file /etc/rc.cdrom.i386 had a time out feature in this case statement: if [ -z "${CUSTOM}" -o ${CUSTOM} -eq 0 ] then reply="" while [ -z "$reply" ] do clear echo "Type 1 to use the English language and USA keyboard while installing NEXTSTEP." echo "Tapez 2 pour installer NEXTSTEP avec un clavier et des messages francais." echo "Eingabe 3 fur NEXTSTEP-Installation mit deutscher Sprache und Tastatur." echo "Premi 4 per installare NEXTSTEP usando lingua italiana e tastiera italiana." echo "Pulse 5 para usar el idioma y el teclado espanol en la instalacion de NEXTSTEP." echo "Skriv 6 for att anvanda svenska/svenskt tangentbord vid installation av NEXTSTEP" echo -n "---> " read reply case "$reply" in 1|2|3|4|5|6) break;; *) reply="" continue;; esac done LANGUAGE=`eval echo \\$lang$reply` # Let localecho know what our language is... export LANGUAGE But the system will wait forever until a key is pressed.... An interesting note: The bios on our Gateway is different that the one that NeXT did their certification one. I called Gateway Tech support today and they commented that they changed versions of the motherboard as well as the BIOS. NeXTSTEP Certified Gateway: Gateway 2000 66V with Micronics MCM2 Chip Set Our version (newer): Gateway 2000 66V with Micronics X30 Chip Set Gateway noted that at this time there was not a Flash disk for the X30 Chip set. There may be one in the future... If anyone has any idea of what we can do to get this to work, please contact me. I can provide more details to the BIOS settings if desired.... -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: droege@infko.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: POP3 on a NeXT? Date: 15 Jun 1993 15:48:53 GMT Organization: CC/CS Uni-Koblenz Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vkr15INN4af@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <1993Jun14.081606.5151@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> In article <1993Jun14.081606.5151@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_cnnghamjk@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: > > Does anyone have a POP3 server running on a NeXT? Is it difficult to set up? I had no problems to install it. Just follow the normal instructions for BSD 4.3 systems. Just be aware that NeXTSTEP holds the /etc/services information in NetInfo, not in the file named above. You can use either NetInfoManager to get it there or do something like echo "pop 110/tcp" | niload services . (I used version 1.831beta of popper). Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Universitaet Koblenz, | droege@infko.uni-koblenz.de Institut fuer Informatik | (NeXTmail ok) Rheinau 1, D-5400 Koblenz, Germany | Voice: +49 261 9119-421 (from 1.July 1993: D-56075 Koblenz) | Fax: +49 261 9119-499
From: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: NS 3.1 loginwindow options?? Message-ID: <1vksui$bel@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: 15 Jun 93 16:21:38 GMT Article-I.D.: pith.1vksui$bel Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Does anyone know the "new" dwrites for 3.1's login window? The old dwrites from NS 3.0 no longer seem to work, and I'd like to know how to customize the fade timeout, etc. Thanks! -jason _________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, User Support Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
From: tms@cfc.com (Todd M. Swan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CFD: Proposed name change Date: 15 Jun 1993 13:38:26 GMT Organization: Chrysler Financial Corporation Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vkjci$4ac@tech.mis.cfc.com> References: <1vjhqd$geb@usenet.rpi.edu> Keywords: sun next enemy microsoft nextstep In article <1vjhqd$geb@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > > As for Todd sticking his nose around here to stir up trouble, I > > haven't seen any good come from it as of yet. But hey, it's > > always amusing to see different marketing spins from various > > companies. > > I think we're better off by having someone from Sun poking around in here. > This is true if Todd doesn't win every debate he finds himself in the middle > of. It is true simply because of the effect it will have on *us*, knowing > that someone from Sun would be around to catch us if we get a little too > carried away with fabulous Sun-bashing ancedotes. If we can't stand to have > our comments cross-checked, then we probably should shut up about them. > > I'm not much of a fan of Sun, but I'm not a rabid hater of Sun either. One > would think that now NeXT is out of the hardware business, we should be able > to deal with *all* makers of interesting hardware -- and that certainly > includes Sun. > > (still, to answer the person who started this thread, I don't really think > Sun has been beaten up all *that* bad in csn lately. A few of their > marketting claims get pounced upon, of course) What we really need to get into our heads (and all of NeXT, right up to Steve) is that Sun isn't the enemy anymore. They never should have been. NeXT never had the hardware muscle to battle Sun. Now had they gone head to head with Solaris on the same platform, there might have been a different story. Microsoft is the evil empire. I know that this is a huge beast to take on, but if you want market share you have to go to the place that has it all: Microsoft. Of all the NEXTSTEP ports that are batted about, the most exciting to me would be a SPARC port. Simply put, that would put NEXTSTEP on the biggest existing population of RISC machines out there. The HP port is nice but how many are there? Face it, Sun is the leader in RISC workstations. (for now...) If NeXT and Sun would stop all the bickering, and get together, they might just realize that they can help each other... Todd -- Todd M. Swan tms@cfc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: yanik@planon.qc.ca (Yanik Crepeau) Subject: Re: Did Intel partly fund NS/FIP? Message-ID: <1993Jun15.142150.4328@CAM.ORG!planon> Sender: yanik@CAM.ORG!planon References: <1vju16INNpdg@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 14:21:50 GMT In article <1vju16INNpdg@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) writes: | In the June 14, 1993 issue of Time magazine, there is a sidebar with | "Bill Gates On...". | | "...CHIPMAKER AND LONG-TIME PARTNER INTEL: We do work with each other, | but that doesn't stop Intel from lending money to Steve Jobs to help | him put Next [sic] on their system." | | How much is this true? Is it FUD {Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt]?. | RWW. | -- | Robert W. Wong Jr. | wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) | Crasher of Automated Banking Machines Let's speculate. I don't have inside information but a strong imagination. In January 1992, during NeXTWorld Expo, Steve Jobs demonstrated NS/FIP. At this time I suspect that Intel has not spent any penny for NeXT. During that conference, we get a video from the CEO of Intel. Maybe NeXT paid for the video but the time of the CEO has been paid by Intel. That is the first pennies paid by Intel to help NeXT. NeXT engineers have had some problem with the port. Nothing very serious but some calls have been made to Intel engineers. NeXT engineers requested Intel for some documentation. The CEO of Intel and Steve Jobs happened to meet for some lunch. Maybe someone at Intel called someone at NeXT to have news about the port. NS/FIP processor could not be acheived without some collaboration from different companies. Such collaboration implies $$$ for each side. The CEO of Intel came at NWE last month. He gave an excellent keynote. Maybe NeXT refunded Intel for his hotel, restaurant etc. but during that day the CEO was missing at Intel headquerters. That implies $$$ also for Intel. You can even say that Microsoft itself has lended money into NeXT. When Bill Gates worries about Intel and NeXT it is one of the most fabulous advertising that NeXT could get. If Gates worries about NeXT, that could mean that he does not like what happens; that NeXT is not so insignifiant for Microsoft than we expected. No. I don't beleive that Bill Gates has said anything about NeXT. That would be a big mistake for him and wide-screen-color-dream for the NeXT fans. -- Yanik Crepeau Programmer Planon Telexpertise E-Mail: yanik@planon.qc.ca (NeXT)
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: app tile stuck on bottom of dock Message-ID: <88046@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 15 Jun 93 14:24:38 GMT References: <C8L3AC.83J.1@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <C8L3AC.83J.1@cs.cmu.edu> Derek Beatty, beatty+@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU writes: >I once command-dragged the Recycler out of my dock, giving me room on >my dock for one more app. Recently I wanted to rearrange my apps. >Unfortunately, I couldn't get the app tile that I placed in the bottom >dock position (i.e., where the Recycler was) to move. I haven't seen >this problem described before. How do you get the recycler back? ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
Message-ID: <al$@byu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 11:34:35 MDT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: pmarc@newt.ee.byu.edu (Paul Cardon) Distribution: world References: <C8JroH.EBu@molly.uucp> <C8nA9w.GFM@molly.uucp> Organization: Brigham Young University ECEN Dept Subject: Re: Good news for all In article <C8nA9w.GFM@molly.uucp>, uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes:|> In article <C8JroH.EBu@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (I) write:|> >Here's a question: could SVR4.2 be implemented as a personality atop a Mach |> >kernel? Would not NEXTSTEP atop such a system gain such handy things as iBCS |> >compatibility with the other SVR4 Intel ports, and not have to undergo su|> >a code rewrite as would be entailed by an NT port?|> |> Just yesterday I wrote that, and today I read that USL/Univel/Novell is /are |> migrating SVR4.2 to a microkernel architecture. Today's (Monday's) |> ComputerWorld discusses the plans to place NetWare, Unix and DOS/Windows |> personalities atop a microkernel to provide better integration of NetWare |> services into competitive OS environment|> In article <C8JroH.EBu@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (I) write:|> >Here's a question: could SVR4.2 be implemented as a personality atop a Mach |> >kernel? Would not NEXTSTEP atop such a system gain such handy things as iBCS |> >c o mpatibility with the other SVR4 Intel ports, and not have to undergo such|> >a code rewrite as would be entailed by an NT port?|> |> Just yesterday I wrote that, and today I read that USL/Univel/Novell is/are |> migrating SVR4.2 to a microkernel architecture. Today's (Monday's) |> ComputerWorld discusses the plans to place NetWare, Unix and DOS/Windows |> personalities atop a microkernel to provide better integration of NetWare |> services into competitive OS environment|> [Novell SVR4.2 stuff deleted] |> A tantalizing notion: the acquisition of NeXT by Novell, and the inclusion of |> NEXTSTEP as either a personality atop the microkernel, or as an environment |> atop the SVR4.2 personality ... gaining much compatibility with the rest of |> the Unix world, and providing UnixWare with a real killer interface...|> If I decided this were a good option, I don't think I would put it in the hands of Novell. Having them practicaly in my back yard and knowing several people who work there I don't mean to offend anybody there, but I really don't think they would know what to do with NeXTSTEP. They've really done some cool networking stuff in the PC world, but taking on an OS like NeXTSTEP would be a little more than they could handle. It has been several years since they produced a really wonderful new product. A company which doesn't have new products being released has to be concerned. The Univel thing probably was an effort to just do something new. Some of this is opinion, but some is also taken from Novell employees. The USL side of things would help, but I don't see the kind of progress being made that is being made now if Novell were to acquire NeXT. |> Ah, one can dream . . . |> |> Monday's ComputerWorld, by the way, is a must for NeXTophiles; there is a |> slavishly complimentary review of NEXTSTEP in the issue's report on |> object-oriented environments. I forgot to bring the thing home, but will do |> so tomorrow and will post key excerpts if none other has already done so. |> |> Jim Vlcek |> molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net In article <C8nA9w.GFM@molly.uucp>, uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes:|> In article <C8JroH.EBu@molly.uucp> uunet!molly!vlcek (I) write:|> >Here's a question: could SVR4.2 be implemented as a personality atop a Mach |> >kernel? Would not NEXTSTEP atop such a system gain such handy things as iBCS |> >compatibility with the other SVR4 Intel ports, and not have to undergo such|> >a code rewrite as would be entailed by an NT port?|> |> Just yesterday I wrote that, and today I read that USL/Univel/Novell is/are |> migrating SVR4.2 to a microkernel architecture. Today's (Monday's) |> ComputerWorld discusses the plans to place NetWare, Unix and DOS/Windows |> personalities atop a microkernel to provide better integration of NetWare |> services into competitive OS environments.|> [Novell SVR4.2 stuff deleted...] |> A tantalizing notion: the acquisition of NeXT by Novell, and the inclusion of |> NEXTSTEP as either a personality atop the microkernel, or as an environment |> atop the SVR4.2 personality ... gaining much compatibility with the rest of |> the Unix world, and providing UnixWare with a real killer interface... |> |> Ah, one can dream . . .|> If I were to decide that this is a good idea, I don't think I would want Novell to be the ones to do it. Having them practically in my back yard and knowing several employees within the company, I don't mean to offend anybody there. However, I don't think that Novell would know what to do with NeXTSTEP. They've done some cool networking stuff in the PC world, but before the USL thing, it had been several years since Novell had done anything truly new and/or wonderful. Employees and management alike were somewhat concerned since there had been no new breakthrough products. The USL side of things might help, but it is my opinion that Novell would not be able to advance NeXTSTEP at the pace it is currently moving. |> Monday's ComputerWorld, by the way, is a must for NeXTophiles; there is a |> slavishly complimentary review of NEXTSTEP in the issue's report on |> object-oriented environments. I forgot to bring the thing home, but will do |> so tomorrow and will post key excerpts if none other has already done so. |> |> Jim Vlcek |> molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net Later- Paul Cardon pmarc@newt.ee.byu.edu
Message-ID: <bl$@byu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 11:37:31 MDT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: pmarc@newt.ee.byu.edu (Paul Cardon) Distribution: world References: <C8JroH.EBu@molly.uucp> <C8nA9w.GFM@molly.uucp> Organization: Brigham Young University ECEN Dept Subject: Re: Good news for all Sorry about another follow up and the repetition in the last posting, but the newsreader I'm working with on this HP is flaky as anything. It deleted my text so I recomposed it and it then added the original again from wherever it first exiled it. Later- Paul Cardon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc From: katzung@swissbank.com (Brian Katzung) Subject: Code to send and receive NeXTMail on a Sun Message-ID: <1993Jun15.150007.6759@il.us.swissbank.com> Keywords: mail, convert, sh, C, tar, compress, uncompress, uuencode, uudecode Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 15:00:07 GMT I've gotten a fair number of requests for this and more keep arriving, so here's the code I use for sending and receiving NeXT Mail on a Sun. (This will probably work on most UNIX platforms, but I generally take advantage of Sun's editheaders mail option when sending NeXT Mail.) This package contains three shell scripts and a C program. The shell scripts "rnm" and "unnext" are filters to decode NeXT Mail. The "rnm" script just prints the message body (via $PAGER or more if stdout is a tty). The "unnext" script takes a directory name and dumps the message body and attachments (as separate files) in that directory. The other script, "nextatt", is a filter for composing NeXT Mail from text with imbedded attachment requests. The C program is used by "rnm" and "unnext" to convert the Rich Text Format (RTF) text to plain text. There isn't really any separate documentation, for which I apologize, but there is usage information at the top of each shell script. -- Brian Katzung katzung@{i88.isc, swissbank}.com ----------Cut Here----------Cut Here---------- #!/bin/sh if [ -f NeXTMailStuff.tar.Z ] then echo Will not overwrite NeXTMailStuff.tar.Z exit 1 fi if [ -f NeXTMailStuff -o -d NeXTMailStuff ] then echo NeXTMailStuff already exists exit 1 fi uudecode $0 || exit 1 mkdir NeXTMailStuff || exit 1 cd NeXTMailStuff || exit 1 zcat ../NeXTMailStuff.tar.Z | tar xvf - || exit 1 echo Extraction completed echo Directory = `pwd` exit 0 begin 644 NeXTMailStuff.tar.Z M'YV08M*X>>&F#!XZ8>C0 <"PH<.'$"-*G$BQHL6*(#+>J%$#!(",,SAV_)@1 M1 P9'DNJK$D<0-6;$B$%#1@T9-E!FM#%#QHV/%X,*'4JTJ-&C2),J7<JT MJ=.G3T>$>!%PX!PT"D: *'@P(1T0+4 ,>>/&3ADY7]N$2<,&!)TW()R4P4(% MA)DW<M1^#>.&#(@P9/QZ#3,&39LR;NC,R9I B)PT?$$L2:BGCILS":24L9-F M3AJR(&2XL)%@!@@B9<:4:2/FK,D<.60P1B$FS)PR?D&' >&Y#1PV9UF *!-& M#ILTKLW*\0Q:3!ZW:,KP#G/X;QTZ:/"FR)H51)TY8<Z4T<'8"%LZK@_/ 2\> M! 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Message-ID: <dl$@byu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 11:57:16 MDT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: pmarc@newt.ee.byu.edu (Paul Cardon) Distribution: na References: <C8n52p.H4r@infoserv.com> Organization: Brigham Young University ECEN Dept Subject: Re: $849 1.2 gig drives In article <C8n52p.H4r@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com writes: |> I posted that I could get Maxtor P0-12S (full height) refurbished drives for |> $849. |> |> The place is called Disk Drive Depot |> They are located at 500-H lawrence Expressway |> Sunnyvale, Ca. 94086 |> (408)738-3895 |> |> They are a portion of a company called Corporate Systems Center also in |> Sunnyvale, Ca. |> |> I think they do mail order. |> |> The only relationship I have with them is that I have one of their |> refubished P0-12S drives in my NeXTcube and a LXT213S in a NScolor. |> They have good service. |> |> Please no more mail asking the name and location!!!!!! |> |> Kent |> -- |> /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ |> /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */ The only thing I would want to know is what kind of warranty do these drives have? Later- Paul Cardon pmarc@newt.ee.byu.edu
From: benji@athena.com (Benjamin Cline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Old Versions of Mesa Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Date: 15 Jun 1993 18:33:25 GMT Organization: Athena Design, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vl4ll$kp1@hermes.athena.com> Summary: get rid of versions of Mesa < 1.5 It would seem that there are some older demonstration versions of Mesa available via anonymous ftp. If you have an version of Mesa that is not current (release 1.5 is the latest rev.) on your site, please remove it. New versions of Mesa are available from athena.com as well as the major NeXT archive sites. thank you, benji -- Benjamin Cline benji@athena.com Systems Administrator NeXTmail cheerfully accepted! Athena Design, Inc. "Happiness is a warm puppy."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change Message-ID: <1993Jun15.201329.9646@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <m1qgvlINNeai@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 20:13:29 GMT In article <m1qgvlINNeai@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > >As for Todd sticking his nose around here to stir up trouble, I haven't > >seen any good come from it as of yet. But hey, it's always amusing to see > >different marketing spins from various companies. > > Well, if you prefer to keep your head in the sand, that's your prerogative. > But when you try to win over Sun customers, and others...you won't get far > if you don't know the facts. Questioning the "facts" presented by a marketing person, regardless of what company they market for, hardly qualifies as "hiding one's head in the sand", Todd. As has been pointed out by other posters, not everyone who questions your numbers does so out of malaise for Sun. I'd like very much for Sun to come to its sense's and offer NEXTSTEP for Sun hardware. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Did Intel partly fund NS/FIP? Date: 15 Jun 1993 21:08:13 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vldntINNqrq@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1vju16INNpdg@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> In article <1vju16INNpdg@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) writes: > In the June 14, 1993 issue of Time magazine, there is a sidebar with > "Bill Gates On...". > > "...CHIPMAKER AND LONG-TIME PARTNER INTEL: We do work with each other, > but that doesn't stop Intel from lending money to Steve Jobs to help > him put Next [sic] on their system." This was discussed a long time ago. Intel wants companies to port their operating systems to their chipset. They want it badly enough to pay money for it. Like in many industries, its not quite clear who should pay for which privilege, but tha seems to be the way things work in hardware. The payment isn't always in cash, mind you. For the HP port, HP is contributing technology (a la DCE), engineers, marketing, etc. This is what is known as a 'friendly' port. Intel wants to have *all* operatings systems on their platform, so they finance/subsidize the work in porting. It is interesting to note that Intel paid something like $1 million for the NeXTSTEP port, but something like $700 thousand for Windows (NT or 3.1, I'm not sure). I wonder how much they paid for Sun for Solaris, or IBM for OS/2.? Anyway, I think this is standard industry procedure, so not really a big deal. The main thing it shows is that Microsoft can't bully everyone into line, but we already knew that, right? -enp -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b #import <std/disclaimer.h>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: app tile stuck on bottom of dock Message-ID: <1993Jun15.091109.206@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <C8L3AC.83J.1@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 09:11:09 GMT In article <C8L3AC.83J.1@cs.cmu.edu> beatty+@COSMOS.VLSI.CS.CMU.EDU (Derek Beatty) writes: > I once command-dragged the Recycler out of my dock, giving me room on > my dock for one more app. Recently I wanted to rearrange my apps. > Unfortunately, I couldn't get the app tile that I placed in the bottom > dock position (i.e., where the Recycler was) to move. I haven't seen > this problem described before. > > It turns out that the app in that position has to be running in order > to move its tile. Strange. Probably some little line of special-case > code thinks the recycler's still there... I cannot confirm this. My app tile does move even when not running. (NS 3.0) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: A Time for Reflection Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 21:37:33 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun15.213733.20068@qb.rhein-main.de> References: <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) In article <m19hf5INNh0f@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > DESKTOPS: > $3995: 59 MIPS, color, 16MB-96MB RAM, 207MB disk, 2 SBus I/O slots, > smaller than a Mac IIcx, etc. > Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I've noticed that. Why did you guys switch from SPEC back to the most useless metric in the industry (MIPS)? Because your compilers optimize better for the dhrystone benchmark or because your customers are easy to confuse and will actually think 59 MIPS are equal to 59 SPECint92? -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStep Intel reviewed Message-ID: <ibhan.740184191@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 15 Jun 93 22:43:11 GMT NeXTStep Intel was supposedly reviewed recently in Computerworld magazine (June 14, I believe). They were very happy with it. Here is one chart from the article: NeXTSTEP Beta Windows NT Beta Overall Rating: 4.3 3.6 Reliability: 4.3 4.0 Performance: 4.5 3.5 Technical Support: 4.3 3.3 Ease of Installation: 5.0 2.8 Ease of Programming: 5.0 3.3 Ease of Conversion: 4.8 3.0 Ease of Use: 4.5 4.3 Range of Services: 4.8 3.5 Hmm....looks like I may just be switching to NeXTStep after all. -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sulistio@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Muljadi Sulistio) Subject: fax software for SupraFax Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Jun16.002150.10887@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 00:21:50 GMT Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA I am interested in knowing how well the DFax or NXFax works for SupraFax modem 14.4k v.32 bis. Please post your response to this newsgroup or to my address: sulistio@chop.isca.uiowa.edu I am interested in knowing how much is the software too. Thanks. -- Mul | Alt. address: sulistio@futon.sfsu.edu | sulistio@chop.isca.uiowa.edu #include "std/disclaimer.h" | NeXTmail -> sarong!sulistio@cs.sfsu.edu >Genius is one per cent inspiration and ninety-nine per cent perspiration.
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change Date: 15 Jun 1993 22:27:47 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m1sj73INNh78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <m1qgvlINNeai@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun15.201329.9646@cs.yale.edu> In article <1993Jun15.201329.9646@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <m1qgvlINNeai@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd >Bernhard) writes: >> Well, if you prefer to keep your head in the sand, that's your prerogative. >> But when you try to win over Sun customers, and others...you won't get far >> if you don't know the facts. > >Questioning the "facts" presented by a marketing person, regardless >of what company they market for, hardly qualifies as "hiding one's head >in the sand", Todd. If all they were doing was questioning facts, I could point them to the independent source: Infocorp, International Data Corp, Dataquest, etc. and that would be the end of it. That I repeat the facts, and I happen to be in Marketing, doesn't make them any less real. The 'head in the sand attitude' is reflected in the all-too-common response from NeXT fanatics, such as (and to borrow from Dave Berry, "I am not making this up"): "why don't you try to stop talking in business sense" The issue isn't disputing facts. It's choosing to ignoring them. *That* is the 'head in the sand' attitude. That won't get you far in dealing with real customers who have the facts and choose not to ignore them. >As has been pointed out by other posters, not everyone who questions >your numbers does so out of malaise for Sun. thanks. And likewise, as I've stated before, I like Steve Jobs and NeXTstep...as Jobs said, if we give the world an alternative to Microsoft, it will have been a greater good... >I'd like very much for Sun to >come to its sense's and offer NEXTSTEP for Sun hardware. We've done it with Novell NetWare (native and NetWare SunLink), DOS (SunPC), Windows (Wabi), Motif (COSE), Intel (Solaris/Intel),...why? Because we listened to the facts of the marketplace. I'd like to see it too, if/when NeXT proves itself in the marketplace. At which time, you are entirely welcome to talk in business sense and present the facts from Infocorp, Dataquest, International Data Corp, etc. And I won't ignore those facts just because of your title, company, or intentions. ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: thsscvc@iitmax.iit.edu (Chris Conley) Subject: hand held scanner and cube Message-ID: <1993Jun16.024408.25286@iitmax.iit.edu> Keywords: hand held scanner and a cube Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 02:44:08 GMT G'day, I was wondering if anyone is using a hand-held scanner, either color or grayscale on their Next Hardware. If so, with what software? Thanks for any pointers, Chris Conley p.s. I just set myself up with a SupraFax v32bis modem for 249.00 from ClubMac and NXFax from B&W Software, 135.00. Now I have transparent fax/voice on a single line. Great modem, great software. No affiliation, just a satisfied customer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: NeXTStep Intel reviewed Message-ID: <2C1E8E97.4742@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <ibhan.740184191@husc.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 03:08:06 GMT Ishir Bhan writes > NeXTStep Intel was supposedly reviewed recently in Computerworld magazine > (June 14, I believe). They were very happy with it. Here is one chart > from the article: > > NeXTSTEP Beta Windows NT Beta > > Overall Rating: 4.3 3.6 > > Reliability: 4.3 4.0 > Performance: 4.5 3.5 > Technical Support: 4.3 3.3 > Ease of Installation: 5.0 2.8 > Ease of Programming: 5.0 3.3 > Ease of Conversion: 4.8 3.0 > Ease of Use: 4.5 4.3 > Range of Services: 4.8 3.5 I looked once and NS appears to be evaluated stronger than NT. I look again and wonder: how does PS and linear mode (raster) go faster than NT? is that what the performance comparison is about? my spys in NT land tell me NT is plenty fast past the beta stuff since when did windows become that easy to use? i suffered W3.1 again today (repeat slowly - i want taskmaster so i can quit ms project, i want taskmaster so i can quit ms project, i want task master so i can quit ms project, ...) I am glad to see NS get exposure and evaluations that it deserves as a technology. I pray it gets a fair shake on other matters. Mark R. Thomsen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Problems with NS/FIP installation -> keyboard lock-up (Gateway 2000 warning!!!!) Message-ID: <1993Jun16.032616.18928@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1vkrhs$ht@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 03:26:16 GMT In article <1vkrhs$ht@menudo.uh.edu> sears@uh.edu writes: >We are having repeatable problems trying to install NS/fip on a Gateway 2000 >4DX2-66V system. This system has the following configuration: > [...] > >The problem is similar to the ones that others are experiencing: > >When the installation gets to the point where it asks for a language (i.e.) > > Type 1 to use the English language and USA keyboard while ... > Tapez 2 pour installer NEXSTEP avec un clavier et des ... > Eingabe 3 fur NEXSTEP-Installation mit deutscher ... > >At this point the keyboard is completely dead. It will not respond. The >only recourse is to reboot. This should become an FAQ. I believe the docs says that on some systems, you ****must**** press a key at the boot> prompt. Unfortunately, the boot> can fly by during the installation, not allowing a key press before starting the installation. The best workaround I've found is to press ?????? just before the boot> prompt is expected. This will halt the process and allow you to hit return from the keyboard to start the installation. This will result in a live keyboard later on. Also, if you don't get a mouse pointer later on, then try moving the mouse to COM1. I've had these problems with an Intel Professional/GX, so I don't think they're Gateway or BIOS specific. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change Message-ID: <2C1E91FC.47DA@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <m1qgvlINNeai@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 03:22:35 GMT Todd Bernhard writes > Well, you may find this hard to believe, but I'm not trying to stir > up trouble. I've never initiated a thread...just replied to mistakes > or misinformation in other posts. Nathan F. Janette writes > Questioning the "facts" presented by a marketing person, regardless > of what company they market for, hardly qualifies as "hiding one's head > in the sand", Todd. Healthy discourse is valuable. Unexamined strategy has been part of NeXT's floundering in the past. People who provide different views - for whatever reason - should be welcome here. Maybe c.s.n.a is where NeXTheads can come and lick their wounds in relative safety and comfort, but c.s.n.m should allow some challenge. Regarding the numbers vs. better technology discussion. Sun advocates will use numbers to justify Sun's victories over NeXT. Sun advocates will use technology to imply that Sun will compete successfully with Microsoft. Two strategies, each giving one a chance to "win" a conviction. NeXT advocates don't get to use numbers yet - you need mainstream sales for that. So NeXT advocates use the technology strategy. Sun uses numbers to defend. There are times when NeXT got to "suit up" with Sun and did well. NeXT says they suit up when they get a machine in the decision maker's hands, get to ply their story via their excellent sales people, and generally get to provide information that might allow the decider to make a pro-NeXT decision. Sun usually says Sun rarely loses to NeXT, but then they count every time that NeXT did not get to provide the information beyond a sales call or indirect information (trade rags, ads, word of mouth). Mark R. Thomsen P.S. I've never discounted a marketeers story just because they are marketeers. I may not listen, but I don't call them a liar. Well, most marketeers. :<)
From: GEB0983@SAE.TOWSON.EDU (Eric Bennett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: AlertPanel Key defaults...Quick hack! Date: 15 Jun 1993 23:53:38 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <01GZFE6LCLFM9PP2L3@TOE.TOWSON.EDU> Bored? Need something fun to do? Try this quick hack: As root, open the nib "file" /usr/lib/NextStep/Resources/English.lproj/AlertPanel.nib and select the Cancel button. Next, in a terminal window (or better yet, a Stuart window!), type ~ % echo -n '\033' | copy and then paste into IB's Button Inspector key field. Press return. Select the No button, but this time do ~ % echo -n '\0177' | copy before pasting. Press return, save the .nib, and Voila! Now ESC will set off the third alert button and DELETE will set off the second! (From the right) You might have to restart some apps to try the change. P.S. You might want to save a copy of the .nib before you try this. Apps don't like having their nibs nipped. Up too late, I am (at least!) Eric B.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Info on G.E. Moore, anyone? Message-ID: <1993Jun16.002210.9322@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 00:22:10 GMT Hi This is totally irrelevant, but can anyone give me info on G.E. Moore's works? (titles, publishers, etc...) He was an "English Common Sense Realist", and what I read about him makes me feel he'd be interesting to read (anybody taking hours to discuss the status of a spoon dropped in tomato soup would _really_ have his place in c.s.n.advocacy 8^)> ). Appreciating any help, Ciao Nicolas Dore -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL!!! FRENCHIE ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Si la classe ouvriere ne nous satisfait plus, nous la destituerons< > et en elirons une autre" B. Brecht (ne parlant pas d'informatique)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: NeXTSTEP 4.0's OO file system and ODI Message-ID: <1993Jun16.025106.9716@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 02:51:06 GMT Hi, there folks. In the July issue of UnixReview, is an article about ODI's angryness at independant testers (the "007" gang) for allegged bias in the testing of their OO database. Seems the ODI people were displeased at results their db got for large (>50 Megs) databases. Kind of puts NeXT's decision to go with proprietary technology in a nice perspective... Ciao BTW I don't feel like typing this. I've already typed a huge (for me 8^)>) post on NS in Computer Shopper, so my fingers are killing me 8^|> -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL!!! FRENCHIE ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Si la classe ouvriere ne nous satisfait plus, nous la destituerons< > et en elirons une autre" B. Brecht (ne parlant pas d'informatique)<
From: mode@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel James Frederiksen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Can anyone direct me to general info on (an introduction to) NeXT? Date: 16 Jun 1993 05:14:52 GMT Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vma8cINNomp@uwm.edu> Originator: mode@csd4.csd.uwm.edu I want to learn more about the NeXT world...please direct me... Thanks...Dan... mode@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kris@entigran.com (Kris Noland) Subject: Another tale of NS/FIP installation Message-ID: <1993Jun15.234308.251@entigran.com> Sender: kris@entigran.com Organization: Entigran Enterprises Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 23:43:08 GMT Howdy! I finished installing NS/FIP on an AST Bravo 4/33 at work yesterday. The installation went fairly easily with only a minor hiccup on the DOS partition I was trying to set up. The system included the following hardware: 16 MB RAM 431MB IDE Seagate hard drive (I forget the exact model) Adaptec 1542 SCSI controller Toshiba 3301? CD-ROM (Again, I forget the exact model) Throwing caution and shrink-wrap to the wind, I booted off of the installation and answered the appropriate questions. I chose to leave a 50MB DOS partition (I still have to work occasionally ;), and went to lunch. The user installation went fine, and the DOS partition showed in the workspace as you would expect. However, when I clicked on the DOS disk, I got a system panic (I didn't write down the specific error, silly me...). I eventually booted off a DOS floppy, used FDISK to make the DOS partition active, and it formatted fine. There were no other installation problems, but NS/FIP doesn't support the SuperVGA available in the Bravo series. 640x480 just ain't enough screen real-estate. I've felt less claustrophobic using a Mac Plus! Well, there it is: It Just (almost) Works! Thought y'all might like to know. kris P.S. I can still crash Librarian six ways to sunday.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mrsilva@netcom.com (Mike) Subject: AppleShare access via the shell? Message-ID: <mrsilvaC8pKCB.Knp@netcom.com> Keywords: AppleShare NEXT Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 09:43:23 GMT I don't understand a lot about NeXT machines, only Macintosh, but my question relates to both. If there is a NeXT computer attached to a modem, and that NeXT is connected to a Macintosh how do I access the Appleshare of the Mac? I understand it would be easy if I were in front of the NeXT because I would just enter my name and password (for the AppleShare) in a menu and I would have access to my files. But since I only have access to the shell, is there any way to enter my AppleShare username and password in the shell? Thanks in advance. Mike
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Did Intel partly fund NS/FIP? Message-ID: <1993Jun15.211111.1778@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 21:11:11 GMT References: <1vju16INNpdg@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Sender: clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com Organization: GiantLeap Software Robert Wong writes >In the June 14, 1993 issue of Time magazine, there is a sidebar with >"Bill Gates On...". > >"...CHIPMAKER AND LONG-TIME PARTNER INTEL: We do work with each other, >but that doesn't stop Intel from lending money to Steve Jobs to help >him put Next [sic] on their system." > >How much is this true? Is it FUD {Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt]?. > RWW. It is entirely true. I don't know if there was much cash paid (if any), but Intel donated engineering resources to the port. Some Intel engineers spent about 1 year on the NS/I port and I am under the impression that they had office space in Redwood City. As I understand it, Andy Grove was the originator of the idea for the Intel port. Grove had both a 486 and a NeXT on his desk in mid-1991 and it was reported that he stopped using his Windows-laden Intel box in favor of his NeXTstep-graced Motorola system. This was when Andy came up with the "email is the next killer app" idea and was doing many interviews with this as his theme. I guess he was trying to encourage Windows developers to come up with something that competes with NeXTmail. At the same time, Intel was very concerned about the lack of a decent development environment for the Intel platform. They saw Sun as posing a serious threat in this arena. Andy knew of the internal effort Intel was involved in to get some sort of OO development environment made available for the Intel boxes. (Much attention was being paid to HP's Softbench at the time). I guess it was just natural that Grove saw he could kill two birds (at least) with one stone by getting NeXTstep ported. Couple this with the fact that Intel had begun to feel more and more vulnerable to the whims of Microsoft, and the NeXT port was a match made in heaven. Not coincidentally, Microsoft had announced plans for NT wich would allow them to diversify away from Intel. However, Intel had no place to diversify to; they were really beginning to look like they were going to be at the mercy of Microsoft when NT arrived. At the time all this was starting, there were rumors of possible co-marketing efforts to be significantly funded by Intel. I don't know what might have happened to this, but I do know that Intel is still very concerned about maintaining their good stead with Microsoft and too much chuminess with NeXT may incur the wrath of Bill; a fearful thought even for the giant, quasi-monopolistic Intel. At the top, Intel definately wants NeXT to succeed, but they certainly are not betting the ranch on it. Charles. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: NS 3.1 loginwindow options?? Message-ID: <1993Jun16.091515.4612@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1vksui$bel@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 09:15:15 GMT In article <1vksui$bel@pith.uoregon.edu> jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) writes: > Does anyone know the "new" dwrites for 3.1's login window? The old > dwrites from NS 3.0 no longer seem to work, and I'd like to know how to > customize the fade timeout, etc. The window bouncing stuff no longer works - there's a rudimentary screen saver instead. TimeToDim is now in seconds. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NS 3.1 loginwindow options?? In-Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com's message of Wed, 16 Jun 1993 09:15:15 GMT To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jun16103800@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1vksui$bel@pith.uoregon.edu> <1993Jun16.091515.4612@metrosoft.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 14:37:59 GMT In article <1993Jun16.091515.4612@metrosoft.com> gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: In article <1vksui$bel@pith.uoregon.edu> jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) writes: > Does anyone know the "new" dwrites for 3.1's login window? The old > dwrites from NS 3.0 no longer seem to work, and I'd like to know how to > customize the fade timeout, etc. The window bouncing stuff no longer works - there's a rudimentary screen saver instead. TimeToDim is now in seconds. The README file of a recent submission to the archives: Carl Edman ------------------------------------------------------------------ Here is a modification of the old BSD daemon login tiff which works for NeXTStep 3.1. Not a great work, but I thought I'd save somebody else half an hour of frustration with rather primitive tools like IconBuilder. Just put the tiff file somewhere where it would feel at home (like your kernel sources, but /LocalLibrary/Images/Login will do as well) and as root: % dwrite loginwindow ImageFile /LocalLibrary/Images/Login/unixdaemon31.tiff And because this is such a miniscule matter, here is a undocumented feature NS 3.1 feature absolutely free of charge. The moving loginwindow may be gone for good, but at least now there is a screensaver built into the login window. To enable it (again as root): % dwrite loginwindow ScreenSaverEnabled YES To set the dimming time to 60 seconds: % dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim 60 Carl Edman 6-15-93 <cedman@princeton.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: hand held scanner and cube Message-ID: <C8py6L.2wC@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun16.024408.25286@iitmax.iit.edu> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 14:42:21 GMT In article <1993Jun16.024408.25286@iitmax.iit.edu> thsscvc@iitmax.iit.edu (Chris Conley) writes: #G'day, # #I was wondering if anyone is using a hand-held scanner, either color #or grayscale on their Next Hardware. If so, with what software? # #Thanks for any pointers, # #Chris Conley I wondered about that also. Hand held scanners are cheap. I know I can't afford a flatbed but I could easily afford a handheld. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Organization: Central Michigan University Date: Monday, 14 Jun 1993 20:53:02 EDT From: John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Message-ID: <93165.20530234II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Intel Software References: <4398@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com> I posted a question similar to this last week and was told that the latest versions of ImageViewer (9i I believe) and KPerfMon are compiled as FAT binaries. So is Xoxoxi (sp??) and Digit. - John...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change Message-ID: <1993Jun16.171752.25999@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <m1sj73INNh78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 17:17:52 GMT Todd Bernhard (Hi Todd!) writes >> I'd like very much for Sun to come to its sense's and offer >> NEXTSTEP for Sun hardware. > We've done it with Novell NetWare (native and NetWare SunLink), > DOS (SunPC), Windows (Wabi), Motif (COSE), Intel (Solaris/Intel),...why? > Because we listened to the facts of the marketplace. Didn't you forget something in that list :-) ? <I'll give you a hint - "Display PostScript"> I've been following Sun closely, and since the "split", they have changed dramatically. Most of the changes are positive (going strict SysV isn't - no way, no how). For those that aren't (SysV sysadmin sucks) Sun has - in the past - listened and fixed. This may be one of the reasons Sun ends up going through more major iterations (SunView, NeWS, OpenLook, Motif...) than other vendors - but eventually, they'll get it right. If NeXT had listened to their customers more closely earlier, we'd already have NEXTSTEP Sparc, NEXTSTEP SGI, NEXTSTEP RiscDuJour. Maybe they've started. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Intel Software Message-ID: <1993Jun15.202303.14795@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <4398@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 20:23:03 GMT In article <4398@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com> jack@richsun.cpg.trs.reuter.com (Jack Gidding) writes: > > Does anyone have a list of the software on the net that has be > recompiled for NS/I? Now that I have my Intel all ready to go, I am > missing several apps that I really like from the black... > > KPerfMon > Date(of course this is a NS2.1 app so no dice here) > NewsGrazer > ImageViewer > Opener Opener comes with sources, so just recompile. ImageViewer is a fat binary I believe, so it should work on white HW too. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change Date: 16 Jun 1993 17:19:37 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m1ulh9INNlas@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <m1qgvlINNeai@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <2C1E91FC.47DA@deneva.sdd.trw.com> In article <2C1E91FC.47DA@deneva.sdd.trw.com> thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) writes: >Regarding the numbers vs. better technology discussion. Sun advocates will use >numbers to justify Sun's victories over NeXT. Sun advocates will use technology >to imply that Sun will compete successfully with Microsoft. Two strategies, >each giving one a chance to "win" a conviction. NeXT advocates don't get to use >numbers yet - you need mainstream sales for that. So NeXT advocates use the >technology strategy. Sun uses numbers to defend. I think Sun pays attention to numbers *and* technology of the competition, as well as Sun. For example: LEADER IN SUN's BETTER SUN'S NUMBERS TECHNOLOGY RESPONSE --------- ---------- -------- NetWare ONC/NFS NetWare SunLink, Native NetWare Motif OPEN LOOK COSE, transitioning OPEN LOOK X NeWS Adopted X, transitioned NeWS DOS UNIX SunPC Windows Solaris Wabi Intel SPARC Solaris for Intel If NeXT makes good numbers, who knows? The above demonstrate a precedent. I think successful companies balance the technology and numbers games. NeXT is doing it now by acknowledging the numbers of Intel. >Mark R. Thomsen ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Pressing CD roms - how much and who? Message-ID: <1993Jun16.183753.1118@stone.com> Date: 16 Jun 93 18:37:53 GMT Article-I.D.: stone.1993Jun16.183753.1118 Sender: andrew@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp I'd like to hear from developers and user's groups on their experiences in making CD-ROMs. Who's good? Who's cheap? What's to avoid? Thanks! andrew -- ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>|| !! Andrew Stone !! (505) 345-4800 !! !! andrew@stone.com <> Stone Design Corp !! ||<<->>||<<==>>||<<++>>||<<?>>||<<+>>||<<-->>||<<==>>||<<+>>||
From: tmiller@cimmeria.gatech.edu (Thomas Miller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Next 400 dpi laserprinter question Date: 16 Jun 1993 20:41:05 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Message-ID: <1vo0h1INNej6@mephisto.gatech.edu> I have a 400 dpi Next printer (came with a Nextcube awhile back) that is currently set up as a local printer for my Nextstation. Apparently it can be a remote printer, too - but can it be both _simultaneously_? When I try to set it up like this in Printmanager I get the error "Printer cannot be exported to this same computer." The printer's manual isn't here anymore or I'd check in it for an answer...any ideas or experience with this sort of problem? Thanks, -- Thomas Miller tmiller@cimmeria.gatech.edu Systems Support Specialist II Georgia Tech Network Services DiScLaImEr : My opinions are in no way those of GT, OIT, et al. "My men are not expendable. And we don't do this kind of work."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: bkr@drdhh.hanse.de (Bjoern Kriews) Subject: Re: Good news for all Message-ID: <1993Jun16.104941.6828@drdhh.hanse.de> Organization: Digital Island References: <C8JroH.EBu@molly.uucp> <C8nA9w.GFM@molly.uucp> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 10:49:41 GMT uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) writes: >A tantalizing notion: the acquisition of NeXT by Novell, and the inclusion of >NEXTSTEP as either a personality atop the microkernel, or as an environment >atop the SVR4.2 personality ... gaining much compatibility with the rest of >the Unix world, and providing UnixWare with a real killer interface... >Ah, one can dream . . . I am not so sure this is a dream. NeXT stated a few words about Novell at a 3.1 PR-Distribution. - Bjoern -- bkr@drdhh.hanse.de - Bjoern Kriews - Stormsweg 6 - D-2000 Hamburg 76 - FRG In the global village, everywhere has got to be a local call. (P. Chapman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garrett@renaissance.com Subject: Problems: PLI Superfloppy and 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jun16.181531.2364@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: garrett@nugget.rmNUG.ORG (Garrett Rice) Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 18:15:31 GMT I have a NeXT Cube with a PLI Superfloppy 2.88. Now that I have upgraded to NS 3.1 for black hardware, my floppy drive will no longer format disk with the NeXT file system (DOS and Mac formatting still works). I seems that NeXT is using a different driver for floppy formatting now. Has anybody had this same problem? Garrett Rice garrett@renaissance.com p.s. Another side effect of this problem seems to be that the icons diplayed for a mounted floppy are incorrect. When I put in a mac disk, the icon on the shelf appears as a Macintosh read/write optical disk???!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Word Processor, R-T-F would be nice Message-ID: <1993Jun16.194540.2517@afs.com> Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 19:45:40 GMT Seems to me that there is a serious lack of a low/mid-level word processor for NEXTSTEP. WordPerfect is generally loathed. WriteNow is none too liked. I don't know anything about the new offering from Rightbrain (I forget the name). Personally, I like Edit. But it only implements a small subset of the whole RTF functionality. I'd be happy if it just handled page breaks, page numbers, and headers/footers over and above what it does now. With those three additions, Edit would cover 99.9% of my word processing needs. A full implementation of RTF (I've seen the spec, it does everything) would be wonderful beyond my wildest dreams. Has anyone considered doing a complete RTF implementation? Or at least a more complete one than Edit has now? How about this new Rightbrain offering - has anyone used it? Does it save RTF? Why isn't RTF being more fully exploited? I'd do it myself, but I have no experience writing word processors and I don't have the time. Surely somebody out there can do it. Michael P.S. Hope my subject line defeated all the kill files that have "RTF" in them. This article is not in RTF, just about RTF. -- Michael Pizolato michael_pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: crespo@vcd.hp.com (Ivan Crespo) Subject: Re: New dumb NS user... Sender: news@vcd.hp.com (News user) Message-ID: <CRESPO.93Jun16180518@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> In-Reply-To: crespo@vcd.hp.com's message of Thu, 10 Jun 1993 18:58:27 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 02:05:18 GMT References: <CRESPO.93Jun10105827@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> Organization: HP Vancouver Division Vancouver,WA I would like to thank every one who responded to my questions. I am very impressed by the number of people than offered their help and their willingness to take some time to answers some questions. One person actually sent me his phone number and said that I could call him anytime... He may regret this offer latter :-) It's clear that you folks are very exited about NEXTSTEP and after playing with it for a short time I can see why. I solved most of the problems I was having, I got mail to work ok by adding the 'mailhost' alias to the server using 'NetinfoManager' instead of 'HostManger'. Now the 'CDPlayer.app' is still not working, I got it to at least to find the CD-ROM drive by moving the drive from SCSII ID1 to SCSII ID2 but now, when I launch the app it asks for a CD but after I put one in it refuses to play it. Things get really slow, and every time I hit any button in 'CDPlayer' it just goes away for a while ignoring me. Maybe it doesn't like my taste in music.:-) Someone said that 'CDPlayer.app' only works with NeXT hardware, has anyone one got it working with and Adaptec 1542C and a Toshiba 3301? Now, this question might sound like heresy but is there a version of the Korn Shell that works in NEXSTEP? I really hope I don't have to go back to CSH... Thanks again! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ivan F. Crespo Tel: (206) 944-2815 email: crespo@vcd.hp.com usmail: Hewlett Packard P.O. Box 8906 Vancouver, WA 98684
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: fax software for SupraFax Message-ID: <tlm.740281162@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Jun16.002150.10887@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 01:39:22 GMT In <1993Jun16.002150.10887@news.uiowa.edu> sulistio@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Muljadi Sulistio) writes: >I am interested in knowing how well the DFax or NXFax works for SupraFax >modem 14.4k v.32 bis. Please post your response to this newsgroup or >to my address: sulistio@chop.isca.uiowa.edu >I am interested in knowing how much is the software too. Thanks. I have DFax and the Supra modem you mention and it works *perfectly*. Have had no complaints at all. Well, actually there are two complaints, and neither has anything to do with the Supra or with DFax: (1) there were some troubles with my SLIP connection. Turned out to be a bad V42 implementation on the local SLIP server. (2) Had some trouble with Macs Faxing to my NeXT directly. Turned out the free Mac software does not actually turn the Mac into a "real" Fax machine. A simple option setting DFax to answer in "FAX only" mode fixed things immediately (a nice fix, but not the fault of DFax in my opinion). There is also, according to the latest mail I received from Bruce and Rick, a new improved version of DFax available. It's available from Alembic, try writing to robbie@alembic.com for more information on pricing, etc. <DISCLAIMER: No connection to TSS or Alembic except as a satisfied customer and occasional beta tester> TLM
From: bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Shipment of NS 3.1 User and Developer Message-ID: <BHILL.93Jun16161538@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Date: 16 Jun 93 20:15:38 GMT Sender: usenet@physics.ucla.edu Distribution: comp Organization: Dept. of Physics, UCLA I ordered NS 3.1 User and Developer for a machine in our department a couple of weeks ago. The box arrived today, but it contained only the User CD. This was disconcerting because there is a sheet of paper in the box titled "What's Inside" that has a picture of the expected contents which includes the NeXTSTEP Developer CD-ROM, yet no place in the shipment was there a statement that this was a partial fulfillment of the order, that the Developer CD is back-ordered, and that I should disregard the pictures of the contents. A call to the order number in Buffalo ((800)677-6398) explained that this is indeed a partial order, not a packing error and that the Developer CD will be going out soon. I was also cautioned that upgrading with only the User CD in hand would cause you to be without any version of Developer on your disk until 3.1 Developer arrives and you install it. Thus about all I can do right now is admire the manuals. --Brian Hill
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change Message-ID: <1993Jun16.221539.4387@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 22:15:39 GMT References: <m1sj73INNh78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Sender: clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com Organization: GiantLeap Software Todd Bernhard writes >In article <1993Jun15.201329.9646@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >>In article <m1qgvlINNeai@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd >>Bernhard) writes: [Nathan Jeanette suggests that Sun work with NeXT to port NeXTSTEP to Sparc] > >I'd like to see it too, if/when NeXT proves itself in the marketplace. >At which time, you are entirely welcome to talk in business sense and >present the facts from Infocorp, Dataquest, International Data Corp, etc. >And I won't ignore those facts just because of your title, company, or >intentions. > Why does NeXT have to prove itself in the marketplace *before* Sun can see that it is an excellent alternative? Why can't Sun make an effort to be a market leader rather than a market follower? Intel certainly sees the benefits of a NeXT port in the absence of huge current sales. Interestingly, Intel has less motivation than Sun to be innovative and that's because they (Intel) truely are approaching monopolistic market share (no matter how you choose your criteria). Is Sun (primarily) a hardware company or a software company? (I believe its a hardware company). If other hardware companies want to have every OS imaginable on their platform, then why wouldn't Sun want the same? Well perhaps Sun does want more OS's on their hardware, but lately they haven't demonstrated the balls to take some risks and try a little innovation. Charles. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStep PowerPC Message-ID: <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 17 Jun 93 01:57:26 GMT Okay, here's the deal: I'm going to be selling my Mac this summer to get either another Mac in the fall or a '486. I was originally planning to buy the '486, though I'd lose the ability to run my current Mac software and MIDI packages, and run NeXTStep. Recetly, I've heard that NeXTStep will be ported to the PowerPC, and, in fact, is to a large extent already. Has anyone heard anything about this? If so, I can have my cake and eat it too! Get a Mac that's upgradable to PowerPC this fall, upgrade to PowerPC in the winter (this I'm sure of, Apple has already announced which machines are PowerPC upgradable) and get NeXTStep in the spring (those are the dates I've heard from two different sources). This would also be MUCH easier on my budget. What do you guys think? -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
From: bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Shipment of NS 3.1 User and Developer Message-ID: <BHILL.93Jun16162128@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Date: 16 Jun 93 20:21:28 GMT References: <BHILL.93Jun16161538@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@physics.ucla.edu Distribution: comp Organization: Dept. of Physics, UCLA In-Reply-To: bhill@physics.ucla.edu's message of 16 Jun 93 16:15:38 PS To make matters more confusing the packing slip says the item shipped is NeXTSTEP USER KIT 3.0 !!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Re: Shipment of NS 3.1 User and Developer [is separate] Message-ID: <thompsonC8qw0p.2Kn@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <BHILL.93Jun16161538@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Distribution: comp Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 02:53:12 GMT In comp.sys.next.misc bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) writes: >I ordered NS 3.1 User and Developer for a machine in our department >a couple of weeks ago. The box arrived today, but it contained only >the User CD. [...] >A call to the order number in Buffalo ((800)677-6398) explained that this >is indeed a partial order, not a packing error and that the Developer CD will >be going out soon. Yeah, they told me this would happen when I ordered it--maybe they forgot to tell you... Aren't you glad they're sending stuff as fast as they can instead of waiting, waiting, waiting... like they used to do? I thought so :-) Eric
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Calendar Manager for NS/FIP Message-ID: <45@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 17 Jun 93 04:45:46 GMT References: <1993Jun15.202303.14795@gamelan> Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. Hi is there a calendar manager available for NS/FIP? Is there a GIF-Viewer available? I get the NS/FIP on saturday and I am used to X-Windows. So what of th enormal features and the big PD programms for X are similar included in the NS/FIP? Thanks in advance.... Please email! /***************************************************************************/ /* Kay Schulz, Rheinstr. 24, 72768 Reutlingen, Germany */ /* 07121 / 601961 privat */ /* 07121 / 35 1341 geschaeftlich */ /*kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de WORKING Address */ /*nagasena!kay@gold.t-informatik.ba-stuttgart.de My home computer */ /*kschulz@gold.t-informatik.ba-stuttgart.de Let me handle the address*/ /***************************************************************************/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: moose@svcdudes.com Subject: Re: NEC UltraLite Message-ID: <1993Jun16.161708.10254@svcdudes.com> Sender: news@svcdudes.com Organization: Software Ventures, Inc. References: <1993Jun12.203151.1320@news.media.mit.edu> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 16:17:08 GMT In article <1993Jun12.203151.1320@news.media.mit.edu> lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu (Pascal Chesnais) writes: > In article <1993Jun11.165904.7720@svcdudes.com> moose@svcdudes.com writes: > > > > Sigh, I just got off the phone with NEC, the UltraLite with NeXTSTEP > won't be > > shipping until August. But they will have a good price for developers. > Anyone > > know of any portables out there running NeXTSTEP that's shipping today? > > > > Ultralite VERSA will run NS today. NEC might not ship it to > you that way until August. I have loaded it from floppy/cdrom > with no problems. The only real drawback is that it does not > run in color yet... > > Financially it might be better to wait for August for > them to load it onto the machine for you. Actually, I believe they said it was working, but they can't decide on pricing. They want to have a really aggressive Developers price. -- Michael Rutman | moose@svcdudes.com Cubist | makes me a NeXT programmer Software Ventures | maker of MicroPhone Pro #include <std.disclaimer> | really offensive political statement
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Thoughts on User3.1 for black hardware installation Message-ID: <thompsonC8rB83.2J3@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 08:21:38 GMT Well, I went ahead and put NS User 3.1 on my slab without waiting for Developer 3.1. It was totally painless. I went through every file it was upgrading so that I could keep some old stuff around. Very easy. Some things I noticed: - SoftPC with Windows for 3.1 (demo) is INCLUDED as a package on the User CD-ROM. It runs for 20 minutes at a time. It is pretty quick but not lightning-fast. [I thought it only came with 3.2, but perhaps that's the Intel version.] - Why would they ever have wanted to remove "Homer.snd"??? :-) [It was listed as a file to be deleted in the Upgrade.] - It said it would take about 2 hours to finish the upgrade, but on my turbo color it only took 1:10. - Does anyone know if AppleShare for 3.0 runs under 3.1? - What is the difference between the NextUSA keyboard map & regular USA? - What is /cmos.ram? that's it for now... can't wait for the Developer box to arrive.. Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: icf@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ira Frosch) Subject: Re: Shipment of NS 3.1 User and Developer [is separate] Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun17.121508.37358@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 12:15:08 GMT Distribution: comp Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <BHILL.93Jun16161538@spike.physics.ucla.edu> <thompsonC8qw0p.2Kn@netcom.com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <thompsonC8qw0p.2Kn@netcom.com>, thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: |> In comp.sys.next.misc bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) writes: |> |> >I ordered NS 3.1 User and Developer for a machine in our department |> >a couple of weeks ago. The box arrived today, but it contained only |> >the User CD. |> [...] |> >A call to the order number in Buffalo ((800)677-6398) explained that this |> >is indeed a partial order, not a packing error and that the Developer CD will |> >be going out soon. |> |> Yeah, they told me this would happen when I ordered it--maybe they |> forgot to tell you... |> |> Aren't you glad they're sending stuff as fast as they can instead of |> waiting, waiting, waiting... like they used to do? I thought so :-) |> |> Eric I took the plunge and did the upgrade, and was smirking to my roommates about how the FIRST thing that Upgrade_3.1.app does is say the developer apps WILL be deleted. My solution, and apparently not an option with Eric or Brian, was to grab my Developer's CD-ROM from NWX. I went to the Developer.pkg, double-clicked, the installer asked which binary I wanted and a little to my surprise, it went on with no problem. And has anyone figured out a conversion for the login .TIFFs? I want my Calvin-n-Hobbes back :-). (Yes, I'll just make a new one off the old one, but...) -- Ira Frosch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Information requested on NeXTSTEP 486 Message-ID: <1993Jun16.220002.20087@bsu-ucs> From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Code name: Wombat) Date: 16 Jun 93 22:00:02 EST Organization: Cybervision International Being new to these groups, I apologise if I've made a mistake posting here; I don't know where else to get this kind of info on our system. 8^) Now then: can anyone give me details on NeXTSTEP 486? What system is required? Will it work on a 386 as well as a 486, or is it too powerful? Is there a beta version available via FTP, and if so, is it available for public testing? How much will the final release (3.1?) cost in its full (i.e., compiler, X11, etc...) form? Thank you very much for your help. Bruce ================================================================================ Bruce W. Anderson is spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu and 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu Draw a crazy picture, write a nutty poem, sing a mumble-gumble song Whistle through your comb. Do a loony-goony dance across the kitchen floor Put something silly in the world that ain't been there before. -S. Silverstein
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pasqua@adobe.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on User3.1 for black hardware installation Message-ID: <1993Jun17.152544.17293@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <thompsonC8rB83.2J3@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 15:25:44 GMT In article <thompsonC8rB83.2J3@netcom.com> thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: > Well, I went ahead and put NS User 3.1 on my slab without waiting for > Developer 3.1. It was totally painless. I went through every file it > was upgrading so that I could keep some old stuff around. Very easy. > > Some things I noticed: > > - SoftPC with Windows for 3.1 (demo) is INCLUDED as a package on the > User CD-ROM. It runs for 20 minutes at a time. It is pretty quick > but not lightning-fast. [I thought it only came with 3.2, but perhaps > that's the Intel version.] > > - Why would they ever have wanted to remove "Homer.snd"??? :-) > [It was listed as a file to be deleted in the Upgrade.] > > - It said it would take about 2 hours to finish the upgrade, but on my > turbo color it only took 1:10. > > - Does anyone know if AppleShare for 3.0 runs under 3.1? > > - What is the difference between the NextUSA keyboard map & regular USA? > > - What is /cmos.ram? > > > that's it for now... can't wait for the Developer box to arrive.. > Eric For black hardware the NextUSA and USA keyboard maps are identical. Keyboard maps are "fat" in a sense. They can contain keymapping information for multiple keyboard types. The 3.1 .keymapping files contain maps for the original next keyboard, the ADB keyboard, and the PC keyboard. Within NextUSA.keymapping the mapping for the original NeXT keyboard and the NeXT ADB keyboard are identical to the maps in USA.keymapping. The mapping for the PC keyboard is different. It lays out the modifier keys so that they have the same configuration as they do on a NeXT keyboard. If you are used to a NeXT keyboard, this can be easier to use since the keys are where your fingers expect. For instance, NextUSA makes the PC keyboard CapsLock key act as the Control key. To get Caps Lock you press Cmd-Shift, just like on the NeXT keyboard. Joe Pasqua
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Word Processor, R-T-F would be nice Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Jun16.194540.2517@afs.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 08:23:44 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun17.082344.4344@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Jun16.194540.2517@afs.com> Michael_Pizolato@afs.com writes: >Has anyone considered doing a complete RTF implementation? Or at >least a more complete one than Edit has now? How about this new >Rightbrain offering - has anyone used it? Does it save RTF? Why >isn't RTF being more fully exploited? Yes. Yes. Not me. Probably. I don't know, it's really puzzling. I've got a copy of the spec and as you say, a fuller implementation would provide most WP needs. Why is NeXT so static in this sort of area? My main worry about a fuller implementation of RTF would be how well Edit would be able to display it for people that don't have the new word processor. Has anyone ever tried displaying a rich RTF document (eg created an a Mac) on the NeXT and if so, how does it compare? Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: robertn@penny.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Subject: SNS Bug in NS/FIP Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 15:52:13 +0000 Message-ID: <9306171543.AA03733@penny.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk There appears to be a bug in SNS in NS/FIP. Does anybody know what SNS does _exactly_ when it configures a machine as a server? My feeling is, that rather than manually have to set up a machine using NetInfoMgr the easiest thing to do it write a script using niutil's. Any clues?
From: kent@infoserv.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Message-ID: <C8ry6J.93B@infoserv.com> Date: 17 Jun 93 16:37:30 GMT References: <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Distribution: na Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting In article <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes: #Okay, here's the deal: I'm going to be selling my Mac this summer to get #either another Mac in the fall or a '486. I was originally planning to #buy the '486, though I'd lose the ability to run my current Mac software #and MIDI packages, and run NeXTStep. Recetly, I've heard that NeXTStep #will be ported to the PowerPC, and, in fact, is to a large extent already. #Has anyone heard anything about this? If so, I can have my cake and eat #it too! Get a Mac that's upgradable to PowerPC this fall, upgrade to #PowerPC in the winter (this I'm sure of, Apple has already announced which #machines are PowerPC upgradable) and get NeXTStep in the spring (those are #the dates I've heard from two different sources). This would also be MUCH #easier on my budget. What do you guys think? If in fact NeXT has ported to PowerPC that does not mean that NEXTSTEP will run on a PowerPC Mac. I wouldn't bet my future computer purchase on NEXTSTEP running on PowerPC Macs. Just because a Mac is PowerPC does not mean that NS will run on it. Just like any i486 will not run NS. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Date: 17 Jun 1993 18:27:16 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: na Message-ID: <1vqd24$n7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> <C8ry6J.93B@infoserv.com> In article <C8ry6J.93B@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com writes: |> In article <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir |> Bhan) writes: |> #Okay, here's the deal: I'm going to be selling my Mac this summer to get |> #either another Mac in the fall or a '486. I was originally planning to |> #buy the '486, though I'd lose the ability to run my current Mac software |> #and MIDI packages, and run NeXTStep. Recetly, I've heard that NeXTStep |> #will be ported to the PowerPC, and, in fact, is to a large extent already. |> #Has anyone heard anything about this? If so, I can have my cake and eat |> #it too! Get a Mac that's upgradable to PowerPC this fall, upgrade to |> #PowerPC in the winter (this I'm sure of, Apple has already announced which |> #machines are PowerPC upgradable) and get NeXTStep in the spring (those are |> #the dates I've heard from two different sources). This would also be MUCH |> #easier on my budget. What do you guys think? |> |> If in fact NeXT has ported to PowerPC that does not mean that NEXTSTEP will |> run on a PowerPC Mac. I wouldn't bet my future computer purchase on |> NEXTSTEP running on PowerPC Macs. |> |> Just because a Mac is PowerPC does not mean that NS will run on it. |> Just like any i486 will not run NS. |> |> Kent |> -- |> /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ |> /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */ Another thought is that if they have done a Power PC port why haven't they released it for the RS 6000 range of machines. This would seem a sensible move given that NeXT could do with as much of the market as they can get and running on many platforms would help there image. It may be they haven't done this for two reasons, one is lake of people, given their comitment to releasing and supporting NSI then they may not have enough people to do a comertial release for the RS 6000...this may change once 3.2 is out. Though of cause then they will have to do the snake port. The other reason they may not have released it is that they don't want to release it for a platfrom without the manufactures support. This seems to have been the case with HP. I hope they do release NeXTStep for the Mac based Power PC's... It would combine a realy nice machine with a great operating system. A Power book based around a Power PC chip running NeXTStep is about my dream machine at the moment. I thought thatq Power PC machines are expected out 1st quater next year. I can't see NeXT releasing NeXTStep for them till the end of 94 at the earliest. Just my thoughts john.
From: Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Solved NeXT printer problem 'paper comes out too early' Date: 17 Jun 1993 20:43:39 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Message-ID: <1vql1r$5um@klaava.Helsinki.FI> In April I reported that my NeXT400dpi laser printer ejected incompletely printed pages. Soon later the problem matched exactly the other printing problem reported simultaneously on the list: the last two inches of paper don't come out. The reason proved finally an assembling fault (!!!): the gear in the 'fixing roller heater' had been mounted in vice verca direction than it should have been. Because of that the gear touched the next (weaker) gear, which finally ejects the paper (called 'upper delivery roller' in Technical manual), only by its corner, having worn the gear so that it rolled only "randomly". I succeeded to supply a new gear from Canon and grind it suitably narrow to fit to the place. The part was inexpensive but the time usage of the repair was quite costly. All the printing problems disappeared. I report this because there may exist a set of wrong-assembled printers. -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I[7&-O;&]R=&)L.UQR960P7&=R965N,%QB;'5E M,#M]"EQP87)D7'1X,3$U,EQT>#(S,#1<='@S-#4V7'1X-#8P.%QT>#4W-C!< M='@V.3$R7'1X.#`V-%QT>#DR,39<='@Q,#,V.%QT>#$Q-3(P7&8P7&(P7&DP M7'5L;F]N95QF<S(T7&9C,%QC9C`@26X@07!R:6P@22!R97!O<G1E9"!T:&%T M(&UY($YE6%0T,#!D<&D@;&%S97(@<')I;G1E<B!E:F5C=&5D(&EN8V]M<&QE M=&5L>2!P<FEN=&5D('!A9V5S+B!3;V]N(&QA=&5R('1H92!P<F]B;&5M(&UA M=&-H960@97AA8W1L>2!T:&4@;W1H97(@<')I;G1I;F<@<')O8FQE;2!R97!O M<G1E9"!S:6UU;'1A;F5O=7-L>2!O;B!T:&4@;&ES=#H@=&AE(&QA<W0@='=O M(&EN8VAE<R!O9B!P87!E<B!D;VXG="!C;VUE(&]U="X@7`I<"E1H92!R96%S M;VX@<')O=F5D(&9I;F%L;'D@86X@87-S96UB;&EN9R!F875L="`H(2$A*3H@ M=&AE(&=E87(@:6X@=&AE("=F:7AI;F<@<F]L;&5R(&AE871E<B<@:&%D(&)E M96X@;6]U;G1E9"!I;B!V:6-E('9E<F-A(&1I<F5C=&EO;B!T:&%N(&ET('-H M;W5L9"!H879E(&)E96XN($)E8V%U<V4@;V8@=&AA="!T:&4@9V5A<B!T;W5C M:&5D('1H92!N97AT("AW96%K97(I(&=E87(L('=H:6-H(&9I;F%L;'D@96IE M8W1S('1H92!P87!E<B`H8V%L;&5D("=U<'!E<B!D96QI=F5R>2!R;VQL97(G M(&EN(%1E8VAN:6-A;"!M86YU86PI+"!O;FQY(&)Y(&ET<R!C;W)N97(L(&AA M=FEN9R!W;W)N('1H92!G96%R('-O('1H870@:70@<F]L;&5D(&]N;'D@(G)A M;F1O;6QY(BY<"@I<<&%R9%QT>#4R,%QT>#$P-C!<='@Q-C`P7'1X,C$R,%QT M>#(V-C!<='@S,C`P7'1X,S<R,%QT>#0R-C!<='@T.#`P7'1X-3,R,%QF8S%< M8V8Q(%P*22!S=6-C965D960@=&\@<W5P<&QY(&$@;F5W(&=E87(@9G)O;2!# M86YO;B!A;F0@9W)I;F0@:70@<W5I=&%B;'D@;F%R<F]W('1O(&9I="!T;R!T M:&4@<&QA8V4N(%1H92!P87)T('=A<R!I;F5X<&5N<VEV92!B=70@=&AE('1I M;64@=7-A9V4@;V8@=&AE(')E<&%I<B!W87,@<75I=&4@8V]S=&QY+EP*7`I! M;&P@=&AE('!R:6YT:6YG('!R;V)L96US(&1I<V%P<&5A<F5D+B!)(')E<&]R M="!T:&ES(&)E8V%U<V4@=&AE<F4@;6%Y(&5X:7-T(&$@<V5T(&]F('=R;VYG 7+6%S<V5M8FQE9"!P<FEN=&5R<RX*?0IY `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Problems: PLI Superfloppy and 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jun17.175356.8743@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Jun16.181531.2364@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 17:53:56 GMT In article <1993Jun16.181531.2364@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> garrett@renaissance.com writes: > I have a NeXT Cube with a PLI Superfloppy 2.88. Now that I > have upgraded to NS 3.1 for black hardware, my floppy > drive will no longer format disk with the NeXT file system > (DOS and Mac formatting still works). I seems that NeXT is > using a different driver for floppy formatting now. Has > anybody had this same problem? I have, but I assumed it was a hardware failure and decided not to spend the time looking into it since I can format on other machines. If anyone does have a solution though, I'd love to hear it. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NEXTSTEP talk on the Sun Newsgroups Date: 17 Jun 1993 21:40:15 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vqobv$5po@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I found a couple of things on the comp.sys.sun.misc newsgroup that I thought were interesting. The first is a complaint about Solaris' new liscencing (end effect is Sun users are being forced to pay more $$ for Solaris 2.2): >> (Am I th eonly person who feels that Sun has made some unpopular >> decisions lately ???????) >Probably the people who installed Solaris 2.1 and then had to >quickly switch to 4.1.3 might agree a little bit. >NextStep for Sun, anyone? >-- >Bill Eldridge bill@cognet.ucla.edu Looks like Mr. McNealy should have said yes to the Sparc port. The natives are getting restless! Here is something else I found: : >>Dificult to use >----->------->--->---->---->----> Easy to use : >>Less Powerful : >> | : >> | CPM---->UNIX---->DOS----->MAC : >> | \ \ : >> \ / \--------->-------\ : >> | \ \->NeXTStep : >> | \-->Solarus : >> \ / : >>More Powerful I don't quite agree that DOS,MAC should be on the same power-line as UNIX, and I think NEXTSTEP should be at least as powerful as Solaris (although I don't use Solaris much). In any event, at least the Sun'ners think NEXTSTEP is easy to use. -Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Message-ID: <1993Jun17.210208.3758@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> <C8ry6J.93B@infoserv.com> <1vqd24$n7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 17 Jun 93 21:02:08 GMT In article <1vqd24$n7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: >In article <C8ry6J.93B@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com writes: >|> In article <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir >|> Bhan) writes: >|> #Okay, here's the deal: I'm going to be selling my Mac this summer to get >|> #either another Mac in the fall or a '486. I was originally planning to >|> #buy the '486, though I'd lose the ability to run my current Mac software >|> #and MIDI packages, and run NeXTStep. Recetly, I've heard that NeXTStep >|> #will be ported to the PowerPC, and, in fact, is to a large extent already. >|> #Has anyone heard anything about this? If so, I can have my cake and eat >|> #it too! Get a Mac that's upgradable to PowerPC this fall, upgrade to >|> #PowerPC in the winter (this I'm sure of, Apple has already announced which >|> #machines are PowerPC upgradable) and get NeXTStep in the spring (those are >|> #the dates I've heard from two different sources). This would also be MUCH >|> #easier on my budget. What do you guys think? >|> >|> If in fact NeXT has ported to PowerPC that does not mean that NEXTSTEP will >|> run on a PowerPC Mac. I wouldn't bet my future computer purchase on >|> NEXTSTEP running on PowerPC Macs. I think the rumour mill has that Cannon will release a PowerPC based machine running NS in Spring '94. >|> >|> Just because a Mac is PowerPC does not mean that NS will run on it. >|> Just like any i486 will not run NS. >|> > >I hope they do release NeXTStep for the Mac based Power PC's... >It would combine a realy nice machine with a great operating system. >A Power book based around a >Power PC chip running NeXTStep is about >my dream machine at the moment. > >I thought thatq Power PC machines are expected out 1st quater next year. >I can't see NeXT releasing NeXTStep for them till the end of 94 at the >earliest. > Apple has been giving demo's of a 80 MHz PowerPC machine. Dennis dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca
From: bbeckwit@carrock.hw.stratus.com (Bob Beckwith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Date: 17 Jun 1993 22:29:28 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Distribution: na Message-ID: <1vqr88$j13@transfer.stratus.com> References: <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> <C8ry6J.93B@infoserv.com> <1vqd24$n7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <1vqd24$n7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: > >Another thought is that if they have done a Power PC port why haven't they >released it for the RS 6000 range of machines. This would seem a sensible move >given that NeXT could do with as much of the market as they can get and running >on many platforms would help there image. It may be they haven't done this for >two reasons, one is lake of people, given their comitment to releasing and >supporting NSI then they may not have enough people to do a comertial release for >the RS 6000...this may change once 3.2 is out. Though of cause then they will >have to do the snake port. The other reason they may not have released it is >that they don't want to release it for a platfrom without the manufactures >support. This seems to have been the case with HP. > A third reason not to release it is that even if they did have something that ran on *a* PowerPC architecture, there's a lot more to consider than simply the underlying instruction set (e.g. I/O, frame buffers, etc.. The PC is the *exception* here, since PC I/O is PC I/O regardless of the (motherboard) vendor, and display access is also fairly standardized. Once you "stray" from the PC arena, things start becoming "non-standard" real fast). That aside, I think the ports you'll see will be based primarily upon the potential return on investment (i.e. number of seats out there) and to a certain extent "being blessed" by the hardware vendor (or at least a willingness to partner, as is the case in the HP deal). NeXT needs to direct it efforts where they will be most effective and avoid spreading it's (limited) resources too thinly. If and when NeXT and NEXTSTEP become mainstream (and I truly hope they both do), they can start looking at ports for <insert your favorite non-Intel, non-HP box here>. >I hope they do release NeXTStep for the Mac based Power PC's... It would combine >a realy nice machine with a great operating system. A Power book based around a >Power PC chip running NeXTStep is about my dream machine at the moment. > If someone came in to NeXT and committed to purchased enough seats, you'll get your wish. Otherwise, you're going to have to have some patience (and NeXT is going to have to have some real success (like get half a million seats or so)). >I thought thatq Power PC machines are expected out 1st quater next year. >I can't see NeXT releasing NeXTStep for them till the end of 94 at the earliest. > The machines don't have to be "out" in order to do a port (especially if you're working with the machine's manufacturer). If it made sense businesswise, and the proper resources were available, you *could* see NEXTSTEP on the first machines out (however, I doubt you will). >Just my thoughts Ditto... --Bob -- Bob_Beckwith@vos.stratus.com Stratus Computer, Inc., Hardware Engineering 55 Fairbanks Blvd. Marlboro, MA 01752 USA
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Can anyone direct me to general info on (an introduction to) NeXT? Date: 16 Jun 1993 22:28:00 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vo6pgINN11o@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1vma8cINNomp@uwm.edu> In article <1vma8cINNomp@uwm.edu> mode@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel James Frederiksen) writes: > I want to learn more about the NeXT world...please direct me... > Although this leaves out lot's of options, in this posting I would like to stress the Programmer's side of the equation: NeXTSTEP is great! There is a (large) file on the archives which explains some of the beauty of NeXTSTEP: NeXTSTEPAdvantage.tar.Z (or something similar). There seems to be an updated version for NeXTSTEP 3.1 but I haven't seen it yet. Good luck, Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) Subject: Edit won't do 2-up in landscape mode Message-ID: <1993Jun17.221343.10293@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Sender: news@newsgate.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 22:13:43 GMT Does anyone else have trouble do 2-up in landscape mode using Edit? Landscape works for 4-up and 16-up but not 2-up or 8-up. Is this normal for NS3.0? -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Tim Reed Motorola SPS PRISM CIM Systems Administrator 2100 E. Elliot Rd. email: reed@prism.sps.mot.com MD: EL606 Phone: 602-897-4703 Tempe, AZ. 85282 Fax: 602-897-3549
From: ai094@yfn.ysu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Date window size Date: 17 Jun 1993 22:46:35 GMT Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Message-ID: <1vqs8b$lcb@news.ysu.edu> Can the default window size be changed for Date? If so, how? -- --
From: ai094@yfn.ysu.edu (J. Kelly Cunningham) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Tickle Services won't go away. Date: 17 Jun 1993 22:49:54 GMT Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Message-ID: <1vqsei$lcc@news.ysu.edu> I fired up Tickle Services, decided it wasn't for me and recycled it. Now I have lots of useless menu items under the Service>Tickle Services> menu. How do I get rid of them? Many thanks... -- --
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:51:55 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93168.165155U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Distribution: na References: <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> <C8ry6J.93B@infoserv.com> In article <C8ry6J.93B@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com says: > >In article <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir >Bhan) writes: >#Okay, here's the deal: I'm going to be selling my Mac this summer to get >#either another Mac in the fall or a '486. I was originally planning to >#buy the '486, though I'd lose the ability to run my current Mac software >#and MIDI packages, and run NeXTStep. Recetly, I've heard that NeXTStep >#will be ported to the PowerPC, and, in fact, is to a large extent already. >#Has anyone heard anything about this? If so, I can have my cake and eat >#it too! Get a Mac that's upgradable to PowerPC this fall, upgrade to >#PowerPC in the winter (this I'm sure of, Apple has already announced which >#machines are PowerPC upgradable) and get NeXTStep in the spring (those are >#the dates I've heard from two different sources). This would also be MUCH >#easier on my budget. What do you guys think? > >If in fact NeXT has ported to PowerPC that does not mean that NEXTSTEP will >run on a PowerPC Mac. I wouldn't bet my future computer purchase on >NEXTSTEP running on PowerPC Macs. > >Just because a Mac is PowerPC does not mean that NS will run on it. >Just like any i486 will not run NS. > >Kent Exactly. Did NS/M run on '040 Macs? No, it didn't, so I would be inclined to say that NS/PPC would only run on certain hardware (i.e. Canon hardware). -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu (NeXTmail) ideaLABS (NeXT-based multiple media production house) 708.383.9858
From: traynor@think.com (Carol Traynor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: IMG file viewer wanted Date: 17 Jun 1993 23:05:31 GMT Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vqtbrINN766@early-bird.think.com> I am looking for a viewer for img files on my next. Please reply via email to traynor@think.com Thanks , Carol
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Date: 18 Jun 1993 01:36:26 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <m1sj73INNh78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun16.221539.4387@gleap.jpunix.com> In article <1993Jun16.221539.4387@gleap.jpunix.com> clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com writes: >Why does NeXT have to prove itself in the marketplace *before* Sun can see that >it is an excellent alternative? Why can't Sun make an effort to be a market >leader rather than a market follower? Intel certainly sees the benefits of a We are. We have been. We have been successful doing so. To break from our strategy (SPARC/Solaris) would be a high-risk gamble...especially for an market-unproven technology like NeXTstep (or NT, for that matter). Sure, we did it for Motif, X, NetWare, Display Postscript, Intel, etc., because those technologies had proven themselves in the marketplace. The benefits of making those moves is abundantly clear. When other technologies haven't proven successful, we've created and promoted (and licensed away) our own: SPARC, Solaris, SBus, MBus, NFS, Wabi, PEX, etc. We are and have been a market leader. Market leaders don't switch strategies everytime someone sells 50,000 copies of a new technology. >Is Sun (primarily) a hardware company or a software company? (I believe its a SunSoft is a software company. Sun Microsystems Computer Company (my employer) is a hardware company. SunSoft ports to SPARC, Intel, and PowerPC (soon). SMCC runs Solaris, NetWare, DOS (SunPC), and Windows (Wabi). Each of those are leaders in their field. >hardware company). If other hardware companies want to have every OS >imaginable on their platform, then why wouldn't Sun want the same? Well Not necessarily. Hardware companies want the *leading* OS (or OSes) on their platform. If NeXTstep becomes a leading OS, who knows? But now, it would be a distraction for Solaris...and an opening for NT. I think (personally) NeXT's best opportunity is through COSE. The last thing UNIX needs are more variations...especially within one supplier's price list! If a UNIX systems vendor can't decide on which UNIX, how can a developer or customer? <--- that will be Microsoft's party line. Note: this is why I, and so many others, were pushing for NeXT to become a software company years ago. It may be too late. >Charles. ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
From: mikes@velo (Mike Shebanek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: When printing with NSFIP, which does the rasterizing, NEXTSTEP or the Printer? Message-ID: <32995@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: 18 Jun 93 02:05:27 GMT Sender: news@galaxy.ucr.edu Organization: University of California, Riverside When a NEXTSTEP Intel machine prints to a PostScript printer, who's doing the PostScript processing, the CPU or the printer? For example, printing from a DeLL to an HP LaserJet with a PostSrcript cartridge. Does NEXTSTEP send the rasterized bitmap of each page to the printer for output, or does it send the raw PostScript code and let the printer do the rasterizing? Thanks for the info. mikes@velo.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: francisr@stupid.ucs.indiana.edu (Rob Francis) Subject: Re: SNS Bug in NS/FIP Message-ID: <C8sqv5.L7E@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Computing Services References: <9306171543.AA03733@penny.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 02:57:05 GMT In article <9306171543.AA03733@penny.demon.co.uk> robertn@penny.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: >There appears to be a bug in SNS in NS/FIP. > >Does anybody know what SNS does _exactly_ when it configures a machine as a >server? > >My feeling is, that rather than manually have to set up a machine using >NetInfoMgr the easiest thing to do it write a script using niutil's. SNS *is* a bug. About the only time I've ever seen it work (somewhat) is setting up a NetInfo Server. It does that right (sometimes) and then proceeds to make a bunch of other stupid assumptions. If you fire it up again, it will mess everything up. You can use nidomain and niutil to do what you need. Avoid SNS.crapp. -rob --- Rob Francis Unix Systems Specialist, Indiana University francisr@indiana.edu (812)855-0327
From: penney@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu (Chris Penney) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: AppleTalk in 3.1 Date: 18 Jun 1993 03:44:24 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vrdmo$ldb@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <1v4ild$5bt@turtle.mrj.com> <1v58k9INNal5@gap.caltech.edu> : Partner does what NeXTstep 3.0 did, but supposedly with less bugs. : Partner Plus adds the capability for the NeXT to be a file server : and print server on an Appletalk network. : : Mark Adler : madler@cco.caltech.edu I've heard that Partner Plus _does not_ make your NeXT appear as a normal AppleTalk File Server... instead, it requires all of the client macs to have some kind of chooser device. It probally works better than NFS/Share for the Mac, but what would be the point in going from one propietary software package to another (already have NFS/Share)... oh, well. Are there any companies who sell an AppleTalk File Server package for the NeXT that let's your NeXT act like a true AppleTalk File Server? ==== ==== = Christopher C. Penney E-mail: penney@convex.msu.edu = = Computer Consultant Office: 110 Computer Center = = ACM Vice Chairman Michigan State University = = CASE Center Advisory Council Member East Lansing, Michingan = ==== ====
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Non-PS printers with NS/I Message-ID: <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 18 Jun 93 04:28:16 GMT Is there a way to use non-postscript (i.e. Ink jet) printers with NS/I? -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Message-ID: <1993Jun17.222101.429@imani.cam.org> Date: 17 Jun 93 22:21:01 GMT References: <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> writes: > Okay, here's the deal: I'm going to be selling my Mac this summer to get > either another Mac in the fall or a '486. I was originally planning to > buy the '486, though I'd lose the ability to run my current Mac software > and MIDI packages, and run NeXTStep. Recetly, I've heard that NeXTStep > will be ported to the PowerPC, and, in fact, is to a large extent already. > Has anyone heard anything about this? If so, I can have my cake and eat > it too! Get a Mac that's upgradable to PowerPC this fall, upgrade to > PowerPC in the winter (this I'm sure of, Apple has already announced which > machines are PowerPC upgradable) and get NeXTStep in the spring (those are > the dates I've heard from two different sources). This would also be MUCH > easier on my budget. What do you guys think? Not to blow your bubble, but... NeXT worked on a PPC based machine, wich is now being brought to market by ex-NeXT guys and Canon employees. This was posted to clari.net.unix a couple weeks back. However, in the same way that _all_ 680X0-based machines can _not_ run all 680X0-based OSs, I would not bet that all PPC machines will run _all_ PPC OSs. NeXT's machine might have been very different from what Apple comes out with (see a NeXT machine and a Macintosh for possible differences), so NS may not run on it. Wait to see. Sad, but I had to tell you 8^/> Again, I could be wrong and we could by 1994 end up living in a world full of happy computer addicts happily typing away on their standard PPC machine, happily switchiong between the 8 OSs available for their machine, all running concurrently on their machine, cause, hey, it's so much fun! 8^)> Ciao > -- > ****************************************************************************** > Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." > ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" > ****************************************************************************** -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL!!! FRENCHIE ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Si la classe ouvriere ne nous satisfait plus, nous la destituerons< > et en elirons une autre" B. Brecht (ne parlant pas d'informatique)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dlw@netcom.com (David L. Williams) Subject: Re: CFD: Proposed name change Message-ID: <dlwC8sywx.BLH@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <C8Lnso.F8z@molly.uucp> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:50:57 GMT Jim Vlcek (uunet!molly!vlcek) wrote: : I propose that this newsgroup be renamed: : How pathetic. If you people had any real confidence in NeXT, you wouldn't be My my my, the old "you people" statement eh? Why then do you post here all the time? Why waste your time with such a bunch of losers? Have you thought of getting a job at NeXT in marketing working for Margaret Chan and putting your money where your mouth is? Do you own a NeXT or use one daily? If not WHY are you here, instead of advising Clinton on how to fix his presidency? : compelled to carp about Sun all the time. Jim, Perhaps some of us use Suns day in and day out professionally ( I know I do). Perhaps we look at the "desktop" and "deskset" tools that Sun ships and wonder why a company "approaching monopolistic marketshare" can't either a) Create a working environment as elegant as NeXTSTEP, given their R &D budget and vast resources. b) Simply want the best software running on their boxes, no matter where it comes from and support a NeXTSTEP port--I've talked to NeXT folks whose take was that Sun would consider this a "hostile" port and would not work with NeXT to make it happen. If SMCC is as decoupled from SunSoft as Todd says it is, they would be aggressively making things like this happen, as they would want the best of breed running on their platform. I would think that as far as current marketshare goes Sun could handle the promotion of the environment on their hardware given all the money they have in the bank. Ooooh, how naive, how pathetic of me, I'd just like to have the ability to work with NeXTSTEP on the Suns I use at work. I have been properly chastened by your wise and diplomatic words and will now attempt, as futile as it might be to "get a life", consign NeXT to the scrap heap of history and sing the praises of Sun, MicroSoft and anything else that sells a lot. Thank you, you've changed my life! ;) ;) : Jim Vlcek David Williams "The few, the pathetic, The NeXTSTEP Marines"
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Date: 18 Jun 1993 07:57:43 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <1vrshn$5tp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <m1sj73INNh78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun16.221539.4387@gleap.jpunix.com> <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> In article <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: >In article <1993Jun16.221539.4387@gleap.jpunix.com> clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com writes: >>Why does NeXT have to prove itself in the marketplace *before* Sun can see that >>it is an excellent alternative? Why can't Sun make an effort to be a market >>leader rather than a market follower? Intel certainly sees the benefits of a >We are. We have been. We have been successful doing so. To break from >our strategy (SPARC/Solaris) would be a high-risk gamble...especially for >an market-unproven technology like NeXTstep (or NT, for that matter). But if Sun does not break from its current strategy, it will surely fail. Solaris is not the answer. Glorified X-Windows systems do not an OS make. >>hardware company). If other hardware companies want to have every OS >>imaginable on their platform, then why wouldn't Sun want the same? Well > >Not necessarily. Hardware companies want the *leading* OS (or OSes) on >their platform. If NeXTstep becomes a leading OS, who knows? But now, NEXTSTEP *is* the leading Object Oriented operating system, and it will continue to be, undoubtedly, for the next two years. If Sun has the intuition to recognize that Object Oriented Technology is the key to future software markets, then NEXTSTEP will be supported by Sun. >it would be a distraction for Solaris...and an opening for NT. I think >(personally) NeXT's best opportunity is through COSE. The last thing >UNIX needs are more variations...especially within one supplier's >price list! Wrong. Sun's best opportunity is through NEXTSTEP. NO ONE *NO ONE* ** NO ONE** *******NO ONE******* *******************NO ONE***************** who has any brains would base their entire future on the Motif interface. >Note: this is why I, and so many others, were pushing for NeXT to >become a software company years ago. It may be too late. >Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, >Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation The main reason NeXT waited this long to ship NS/Intel was that it was not until now that PC hardware was fast enough to run NEXTSTEP. The only issue that is "too late" is the fact that Sun has written their epitaph with the signing of the COSE agreement. -Eric
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT NEXTSTEP (FOR NEWCOMERS) Date: 18 Jun 1993 08:12:49 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vrte1$67e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> This is some general information about NeXTSTEP for those new to it. I have a feeling the $249.00 educational pricing will spark a few new interests. =============================================================================== NeXTSTEP is a fully object oriented operating system that will become available for Intel Processors on May 25. It was originally developed to run on NeXT computer systems. It is the brainchild of Steve Jobs, the co-founder of Apple Computer. Steve left Apple and started NeXT, Inc. NeXTSTEP 3.1 will be shipping May 25. It comes in two packages (sold separately) - User Version ($795 LIST price) and Developing Tools ($1995 list price). NeXT Connection (1-800-800-NEXT) is selling "street" copies of NEXTSTEP Intel for $599 User Version, $1499 Developing Tools. The educational version contains BOTH the user and developer packages and it costs $249! Interested parties can call 1-800-TRY-NeXT for product brochures or 1-800-848-NeXT for general information. =============================================================================== Some of NeXTSTEP's features: User Version: -Full Drag and Drop Object Orented Graphical User environment -Based upon a multiprocessing/multitaksing operating kernal called Mach -Built over Berkeley UNIX 4.3 BSD (but user environment is fully supported with a very intuitive and consistent graphical user interface -Uses Display Postscript Level II for true WYSIWYG thought the entire system -Full Novell, NFS, DOS, OS/2, Windows, and UNIX file system support -Supports multiple partitions on the hard drive enabling DOS/Windows/OS2 partitions on the same hard drive -FULL TeX package (with graphical interface) and emacs included -Users will be able to run DOS, Windows, and NeXTSTEP applications side by side, and cut and paste between them. Also, DOS/Windows apps become multitasking since NeXTSTEP is controlling the CPU. Users need a third party application called SoftPC from Insignia Solutions to run Windows/DOS apps. SoftPC will be bundled as part of NeXTSTEP 3.2, to be released in Sept. Incidentally, Insignia solutions is writing the Windows/DOS emulation for Microsoft's Windows NT, therefore NeXTSTEP users will enjoy the SAME level of Windows/DOS emulation that Windows NT users enjoy. -Object linking throughtout the system (allows workgroups to produce collaborative documents, with shared information that is updated in real time or when documents are saved). -There are commercial programs available for NeXTSTEP that allow X-Windows to be used, and there is even a package (called Executor from ARDI, Inc.) that runs certain Macintosh software programs like Excel and Word! -Pixar's PhotoRealistic and Interactive 3-D Renderman -Multimedia Mail (UNIX sendmail compatible. Can send graphics, text, sound video, rich text, and even files and folders. -FAX support in all applications through FAX option in the standard print panel -Photo CD Support Software -Networking support at the touch of a button with five programs bundled to help with networking, NetWare, NFS, User management, and host info. -PANTONE color matching system built into the NeXT color panel for those interested in graphic design -Digital Librarian system that allows users to organize their files into books, which are then automatically indexed by NeXTSTEP. ALso, all user documentation is on-line and can be accessed throught Digital Librarian -On-Line help system at the click of a mouse -Multi-language support, OS system language can be changed at the touch of a button -Websters Full 9th Edition Dictionary and Thesauraus on-line, even with pictures -Adobe Postscript fonts bundled with system Developers Tools: -C, C++, and objective C compiler, that can compile code containing any or all of the above types of code -Interface and Project Building Applications that have won industry acclaim -Database Kit (pre-written objects to make database programming easier) -Distributed Objects (NeXTSTEP objects can send messages to each other over networks. It doesn't matter if you are in Japan or California, you can work with objects on a network just as if they were on your own system). -3D Graphics Kit -Indexing Kit -Driver Kit that helps developers write drivers for third party hardware -Multi-architechture Binary support (write one piece of code, and you can cross compile it for all chips sets that NeXTSTEP runs on at once). NeXTSTEP currently runs on Motorola and Intel, with PowerPC coming next year. Hopefully we will hear soon if SuperSparc and PA-RISC will be supported! System Requirements: 16-bit color system: Intel 486(SX,SL,DX,DX/2) or 586 (Pentium) Processor 16 megs of memory, 120 meg HD (user version) or 330 meg HD (developer version) Hi Res Graphics card (such as ATI Graphjics Pro, C&T Wingine, etc ISA or EISA expansion bus IDE and SCSI drives supported Sound Card Optional 2-bit and 8-bit greyscale systems: Intel 486(SX,SL,DX,DX/2) or 586 (Pentium) Processor 8 megs of memory, 120 meg HD (user version) or 330 meg HD (developer version) VESA compatible VGA or SVGA card (8-bit greyscale requires higher quality card) ISA or EISA expansion IDE and SCSI drivees supported Sound Card Optional I called Gateway computer, and one can configure a color NeXTSTEP user system for under $3000 (486DX-33V 16megs ram/250 meg HD, color monitor, ATI Graphics Ultro Pro with 2MB Vram). The NeXTSTEP operating system also needs to be purchased for the above system. Again, I take no responsibility for typing errors, or wrong information. Intersted parties should call 1-800-TRY-NeXT to get the most up to date info.. If there is anything I have missed, please feel free to reply to this post. Later, Eric Hermanson
From: Gordon.Van.Huizen@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Gordon Van Huizen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NS 3.1 LOGINWINDOW OPTIONS?? Message-ID: <3729.2C20DB94@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: 16 Jun 93 20:51:00 GMT Sender: ufgate@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (newsout1.26) Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/236 - MacCircles, Genesee CO -- Gordon Van Huizen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gordon.Van.Huizen@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: Problems: PLI Superfloppy and 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jun18.071349.576@antigone.com> Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco References: <1993Jun16.181531.2364@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <1993Jun17.175356.8743@metrosoft.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 07:13:49 GMT Gordon Van Huizen (gvh@metrosoft.com) wrote: : In article <1993Jun16.181531.2364@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> : garrett@renaissance.com writes: : > I have a NeXT Cube with a PLI Superfloppy 2.88. Now that I : > have upgraded to NS 3.1 for black hardware, my floppy : > drive will no longer format disk with the NeXT file system : > (DOS and Mac formatting still works). I seems that NeXT is : > using a different driver for floppy formatting now. Has : > anybody had this same problem? Has anyone thought to call PLI on this one? -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: +1 415 431 3650
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tt@panda.unibe.ch (Thomas Tschannen) Subject: Re: Edit won't do 2-up in landscape mode Message-ID: <1993Jun18.090946.16989@aragorn.unibe.ch> Sender: news@aragorn.unibe.ch Organization: University of Berne, Switzerland References: <1993Jun17.221343.10293@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 09:09:46 GMT In article <1993Jun17.221343.10293@newsgate.sps.mot.com> reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) writes: > Does anyone else have trouble do 2-up in landscape mode using Edit? > Landscape works for 4-up and 16-up but not 2-up or 8-up. Is this > normal for NS3.0? > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Tim Reed Motorola SPS > PRISM CIM Systems Administrator 2100 E. Elliot Rd. > email: reed@prism.sps.mot.com MD: EL606 > Phone: 602-897-4703 Tempe, AZ. 85282 > Fax: 602-897-3549 If you do 2-up in portrait you get 2-up in landscape... -- Thomas Tschannen Phone: ++41 (0)31 65 48 71 University of Berne Fax: ++41 (0)31 65 44 05 Physics Institute Telex: CH 912 643 Sidlerstrasse 5 Internet: tschannen@phil.unibe.ch CH-3012 Berne DECnet (CH): 49203::TSCHANNEN Switzerland HEPNET/SPAN: 20579::49203::TSCHANNEN
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: jmeacham@ants.edu (James D. Meacham 3rd) Subject: Help--Mail/sendmail being weird Message-ID: <1993Jun18.053413.500@ants.edu> Sender: jmeacham@ants.edu Organization: Andover Newton Theological School Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:34:13 GMT After working a long time to get both mail and news working correctly, for some unknown reason mail stqrting being weird. The problem is that after setting up sendmail.cf for uucp (and it worked for some time in this mode) it is now being picky as to what it will send to uucp. For example, foobar@world.std.com will get through, but foobar@parrot.creighton.edu will com back with a message that states: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 421 Host parrot.creighton not found for mailer ether. 550 Joe Foobar <foobar@parrot.creighton.edu>... Host unknown It seems to choke on only *.edu addresses, which might be in some way related to the fact that I changed my domain name to ants.edu so that my incoming mail would work. Any suggestions on how to get around this? Thanks, James --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ James David Meacham, 3rd Andover Newton Theological School e-mail:jmeacham@ants.edu Newton Centre, MA 02159 NeXTMAIL accepted +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ James David Meacham, 3rd Andover Newton Theological School e-mail:jmeacham@ants.edu Newton Centre, MA 02159 NeXTMAIL accepted
From: zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Non-PS printers with NS/I Date: 18 Jun 1993 11:20:28 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <1vs8ds$efg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> In article <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes: >Is there a way to use non-postscript (i.e. Ink jet) printers with NS/I? It is no problem connecting a DeskJet printer to the parallel port and print via djf_for_3.0. Regards, Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail root@marsu.tynet.sub.org / wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join!
From: sn@plato.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de (sn) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT NEXTSTEP (FOR NEWCOMERS) Date: 18 Jun 1993 11:22:33 GMT Organization: Universitaet Dortmund, CT, Germany Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1vs8hpINNsdc@unidoct.Chemietechnik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> References: <1vrte1$67e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >This is some general information about NeXTSTEP for those new to it. I have >a feeling the $249.00 educational pricing will spark a few new interests. >=============================================================================== >NeXTSTEP is a fully object oriented operating system that will become available >for Intel Processors on May 25. It was originally developed to run on NeXT >computer systems. It is the brainchild of Steve Jobs, the co-founder of Apple >Computer. Steve left Apple and started NeXT, Inc. >NeXTSTEP 3.1 will be shipping May 25. It comes in two packages (sold >separately) - User Version ($795 LIST price) and Developing Tools >($1995 list price). NeXT Connection (1-800-800-NEXT) is selling "street" >copies of NEXTSTEP Intel for $599 User Version, $1499 Developing Tools. >The educational version contains BOTH the user and developer packages and >it costs $249! >Interested parties can call 1-800-TRY-NeXT for product brochures or >1-800-848-NeXT for general information. >=============================================================================== This is the first time I hear about this educational offer. Sounds great. Unfortunately, living in Germany, I can't call 1-800-* numbers. Is there a "normal" number I can call or could someone give me the number for NeXT Germany? Thanks, -Sven
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tom@scheckel.com Subject: Re: Printing AppleTalk Message-ID: <1993Jun17.194717.22176@scheckel.com> Followup-To: ian@its.com Sender: root@scheckel.com (Operator) Organization: scheckel References: <1993May18.023705.11718@csus.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 19:47:17 GMT In article <1993May18.023705.11718@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > In article <C770JF.4A1@ucdavis.edu> heberlei@cs.ucdavis.edu > (Louis Todd Heberlein) writes: > >I have a small AppleTalk network (my Mac SE/30 and an Apple > >LaserWriter Pro 630), and I was wondering if I could connect my > >NeXTstation (running NS 3.0) to the AppleTalk network and use > >the LaserWriter Pro. > > > >Anyone know if this is possible? If so, how can I do it? > > Check out util/lp-daemon-332.hqx in the Info-Mac archives. > > Your SE/30 needs an Ethernet card, System 7, and MacTCP. > > -=EPS=- You should also probably look into uShare/PrintSpooler from IPT. This allows NeXTs to print on Mac printers and Mac's to print to NeXT printers. (Ethernet is also required for this product.) Ian Gibbs ian@its.com Information Technology Solutions (Temporarily using scheckel.com for posting.)
From: huhr@uni-paderborn.de (Holger Uhr) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT NEXTSTEP (FOR NEWCOMERS) Followup-To: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Date: 18 Jun 1993 14:16:20 GMT Organization: Uni Paderborn FB 17 Informatik GERMANY Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1vsink$4jd@news.uni-paderborn.de> References: <1vs8hpINNsdc@unidoct.Chemietechnik.Uni-Dortmund.DE> sn (sn@plato.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de) wrote: : zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: : >The educational version contains BOTH the user and developer packages and : >it costs $249! : >Interested parties can call 1-800-TRY-NeXT for product brochures or : >1-800-848-NeXT for general information. : >=============================================================================== : This is the first time I hear about this educational offer. Sounds great. : Unfortunately, living in Germany, I can't call 1-800-* numbers. Is there : a "normal" number I can call or could someone give me the number for NeXT : Germany? : Thanks, : -Sven I don't know the number for NeXT Germany, but you can call Connext in Paderborn at 05251/750098. They sell NeXTSTEP. The german educational price is 498,- DM. I don't know, if AMG in Dortmund still sell NeXTSTEP, and I don't have their number here. Greetings, Holger -- | Holger Uhr *** Engernweg 32 *** W-4790 Paderborn *** Germany | |E-Mail: huhr@uni-paderborn.de Phone: 05251-58950| |How to become immortal: Read this signature tomorrow and follow its advice.|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Help with a Null Modem Message-ID: <1993Jun17.233324.322@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 23:33:24 GMT I have a null modem connection between a PC and my Turbo Color. Then I tip to the port, I can see characters echo on the NeXT that I type in the communication program on the PC. But, When I am not in tip, the PC never receives the login prompt. I have a line in /etc/ttys. It is nothing special as far as a Gettytab entry. Overall, I think that things are right except for XXXX, and it is probably small. If you have any thougts, let me know. Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: sfch@dmu.ac.uk (Simon Harwood) Subject: Cable to connect 68040 CPU board to Canon OD (omd-1) Message-ID: <1993Jun18.132222.6226@dmu.ac.uk> Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK. Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 13:22:22 GMT Does anyone know the configuration of the cable to go from the 20-way connector on a 68040 CPU board installed in a Cube plus Dimension board (added as an extra) to a Canon Magneto-Optical Drive? The guts of this drive are the standard (but not available here) NeXT internal optical drive. I currently have the drive connected (as purchased) to the SCSI port with SCSI target 6 (targets 2,3,4 and 5 are not recognised when set on this drive) but have not been able to get the drive to operate correctly. (there are three things that happen in this case: 1) the drive is not recognised at all, 2) (without a disk in the drive) the drive is recognised but the computer hangs when you try to use the drive, and 3) (with a disk in the drive) there is a SCSI error returned, the system still boots, and the computer still hangs when you try to use the drive.) Therefore, I would like to try connecting the OD to the CPU board directly without the 2 SCSI interfaces and cableing in between, and trying to access it as /dev/od0, /dev/r0d0, etc... instead of trying to access it as /dev/sd0a, /dev/rsd0a, etc... and failing. Once again, the computer is a NeXT Cube (+ Dimension) with a 68040 CPU board. Any replies at all on this subject would be appreciated, e-mail is prefered due to not getting much time to read the USENET news. Thanks, Simon.. -- Simon Harwood, Research Technician, Phone: (+44)(0)533 551551 x7915 De Montfort University, The Gateway, Fax : (+44)(0)533 577574 LEICESTER, LE1 9BH UK. E-mail: sfch@uk.ac.dmu (JANET), sfch@dmu.ac.uk (Internet)
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Non-PS printers with NS/I Date: 18 Jun 1993 14:37:52 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vsk00$ee1@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> <1vs8ds$efg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> In article <1vs8ds$efg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>, zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: |> In article <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes: |> >Is there a way to use non-postscript (i.e. Ink jet) printers with NS/I? |> |> It is no problem connecting a DeskJet printer to the parallel port |> and print via djf_for_3.0. |> |> Regards, Markus. |> |> |> -- |> /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart |> /usr/spool/mail root@marsu.tynet.sub.org / wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de |> ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu |> /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join! Watch the Postscript licence on NeXTStep for Intel though. I belive it says that you may not use the rasterizer in NS/I for printing purposes, without buying a special lisence. NeXT sells this licence for I belive $75. Just thought you should be aware of this little got ya. Oh and its not NeXTs fault more likely adobe's. john.
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Message-ID: <102.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 14:21:23 PDT References: <1vqd24$n7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) > Date: 17 Jun 1993 18:27:16 GMT > Message-ID: <1vqd24$n7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> ... various porting issues > Another thought is that if they have done a Power PC port why haven't they > released it for the RS 6000 range of machines. This would seem a sensible move > given that NeXT could do with as much of the market as they can get and running > on many platforms would help there image. It may be they haven't done this for > two reasons, one is lake of people, given their comitment to releasing and > supporting NSI then they may not have enough people to do a comertial release for > the RS 6000...this may change once 3.2 is out. Though of cause then they will > have to do the snake port. The other reason they may not have released it is > that they don't want to release it for a platfrom without the manufactures > support. This seems to have been the case with HP. > > I hope they do release NeXTStep for the Mac based Power PC's... It would combine > a realy nice machine with a great operating system. A Power book based around a > Power PC chip running NeXTStep is about my dream machine at the moment. At Expo NeXT marketing indicated that only the HP PA port is in the works. While PowerPC, Alpha, and SPARC are certainly possible (perhaps done), he didn't feel that more RISC ports would make strategic sense in the near future. The emphasis of the expo was on volume and the number of expected new NEXTSTEP seats for these platforms did not justify the effort to support the new architectures. This makes sense to me. I would like to see NeXT focus on the software features of NEXTSTEP and clean up some of the nagging problems people report with mail/network configuration, build on distributed objects/DBKit, etc. Things that will make inroads into the Intel market. 1% of the intel market is as significant to NeXT now as all the RISC markets put together. Not that there aren't some great potential hardware/NEXTSTEP combinations out there. Establish a solid user base first and generate demand for NEXTSTEP, then they can port to fill that demand. My $.02. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: parkhill@nnepy220.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rob Parkhill) Subject: 3.1 upgrade for black H/W Message-ID: <1993Jun18.150929.6703@bnr.ca> Sender: parkhill@nnepy220 (Rob Parkhill) Organization: Bell Northern Research Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 15:09:29 GMT Hi All: Sorry if this has been asked a million times, but I finally have the $$ to order my 3.1 upgrade, so here is comes again. What is the NEW phone # to call and order my 3.1 upgrade (black HW of course :-) I'm an educational buyer if that makes any difference. And has anyone in Canada ordered/received it yet. What kind of hassles did you go through with customs? aTdHvAaNnKcSe Ert -- Ert Parkhill | I don't speak for anyone I have ever worked for | No Email GC v0.3: GCS d-- -p+ c++ l m+ s++/++ g+ w+ t+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: reed@prism.sps.mot.com (Tim Reed) Subject: Re: Edit won't do 2-up in landscape mode Message-ID: <1993Jun18.161237.20492@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Sender: news@newsgate.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS References: <1993Jun18.090946.16989@aragorn.unibe.ch> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 16:12:37 GMT In article <1993Jun18.090946.16989@aragorn.unibe.ch> tt@panda.unibe.ch (Thomas Tschannen) writes: > > If you do 2-up in portrait you get 2-up in landscape... > > -- > Thomas Tschannen Phone: ++41 (0)31 65 48 71 > University of Berne Fax: ++41 (0)31 65 44 05 > Physics Institute Telex: CH 912 643 > Sidlerstrasse 5 Internet: tschannen@phil.unibe.ch > CH-3012 Berne DECnet (CH): 49203::TSCHANNEN > Switzerland HEPNET/SPAN: 20579::49203::TSCHANNEN Thanks for the hint. I never thought to try it that way. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Tim Reed Motorola SPS PRISM CIM Systems Administrator 2100 E. Elliot Rd. email: reed@prism.sps.mot.com MD: EL606 Phone: 602-897-4703 Tempe, AZ. 85282 Fax: 602-897-3549
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: Shipment of NS 3.1 User and Developer Message-ID: <1993Jun18.164612.11591@venice.sedd.trw.com> Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <BHILL.93Jun16161538@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Distribution: comp Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 16:46:12 GMT Brian Hill (bhill@physics.ucla.edu) wrote: : ... The box arrived today, but it contained only : the User CD.... : ... : .... I was also cautioned that upgrading with only the : User CD in hand would cause you to be without any version of Developer on : your disk until 3.1 Developer arrives and you install it. Thus about all : I can do right now is admire the manuals. --Brian Hill I'm in the same situation BUT I've been running various apps off of the 3.1 disk with no problem. lipo, OpenSeseme (sp?) and the PhotoCD app run just fine. Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: 3.1 upgrade for black H/W Message-ID: <1993Jun18.165001.978@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jun18.150929.6703@bnr.ca> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 16:50:01 GMT Rob Parkhill writes > Sorry if this has been asked a million times, but I finally > have the $$ to order my 3.1 upgrade, so here is comes again. What > is the NEW phone # to call and order my 3.1 upgrade (black HW of > course :-) 1-800-848-NeXT still works. Then choose `3', if i remember correctly. Used it yesterday. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: When printing with NSFIP, which does the rasterizing, NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Jun18.170849.19323@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <32995@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 17:08:49 GMT Mike Shebanek writes > When a NEXTSTEP Intel machine prints to a PostScript printer, > who's doing the PostScript processing, the CPU or the printer? > For example, printing from a DeLL to an HP LaserJet with a > PostSrcript cartridge. Does NEXTSTEP send the rasterized bitmap > of each page to the printer for output, or does it send the raw > PostScript code and let the printer do the rasterizing? The interpreter inside the pritner does the rendering. When printing to a "dumb" (or "shell" - e.g., DeskJet) printer, that is when NEXTSTEP does the rasterizing and sends the bits across the wire. PostScript is a far more compact format <in general> that raw raster bits, so in a network situation, sending PostScript whenever possible is a clear win. -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Service Providers Message-ID: <1993Jun18.155406.1850@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 15:54:06 GMT I am interested in getting a rather long and exhaustive list of service providers. Please send me a Company name, a contact name, and number or mail address, and where they provide service, ie nationwide or Detroit. All help is appreciated. Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Compatability guide for NS/I Message-ID: <ibhan.740424112@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 18 Jun 93 17:21:52 GMT There is some way of e-mailing to get the NeXTStep Intel compatability guide. I'm loooking for the ASCII version. Can someone tell me how to do this again? Thanks. Also, is the new guide out? It's supposed to be updated every two weeks. Well, it's been over two weeks since the first one was released. -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc From: anjrober@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Andrew Robertson) Subject: Re: Information requested on NeXTSTEP 486 Message-ID: <C8ty4r.Gpn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Indiana University References: <1993Jun16.220002.20087@bsu-ucs> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 18:31:39 GMT In article <1993Jun16.220002.20087@bsu-ucs> 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Code name: Wombat) writes: >Being new to these groups, I apologise if I've made a mistake posting here; I >don't know where else to get this kind of info on our system. 8^) > >Now then: can anyone give me details on NeXTSTEP 486? What system is required? >Will it work on a 386 as well as a 486, or is it too powerful? > NeXTSTEP requires a 486, and if you are using a 486sx you need a math coprocessor. >Is there a beta version available via FTP, and if so, is it available for >public testing? There is not a beta version for public testing > >How much will the final release (3.1?) cost in its full (i.e., compiler, X11, >etc...) form? The final version of NeXTSTEP For Intel Processors will be $749 for a user version, and $2790 for the developer version. Higher Ed version of development is only $249. > >Thank you very much for your help. > > >Bruce >================================================================================ >Bruce W. Anderson is spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu and 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu > >Draw a crazy picture, write a nutty poem, sing a mumble-gumble song >Whistle through your comb. Do a loony-goony dance across the kitchen floor >Put something silly in the world that ain't been there before. -S. Silverstein > --Andrew Robertson-- --IU NeXT CC--
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Date: 18 Jun 1993 17:42:22 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m23vjuINNb6o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <m1sj73INNh78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun16.221539.4387@gleap.jpunix.com> <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1vrshn$5tp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <1vrshn$5tp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >In article <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > >But if Sun does not break from its current strategy, it will surely fail. This is the unfounded, baseless prediction that makes folks not take NeXT fanatics seriously. You could've said the above years ago, but our strategy has been pretty darn successful. When NeXT is half as successful, maybe you'll have a leg to stand on. >>Not necessarily. Hardware companies want the *leading* OS (or OSes) on >>their platform. If NeXTstep becomes a leading OS, who knows? But now, > >NEXTSTEP *is* the leading Object Oriented operating system, and it will >continue to be, undoubtedly, for the next two years. If Sun has the >intuition to recognize that Object Oriented Technology is the key to future >software markets, then NEXTSTEP will be supported by Sun. And OSF/1 is the leading 64-bit O.S. (It's the only one) Should we drop Solaris for that too? Should we jump ship for every new neat-o technology? Has that worked for Microsoft or any computer company? As for objects, Sun is working with HP on DOE (Distributed Objects Everywhere), and maybe NeXT's move to CORBA will ultimately make this a non-issue. >>it would be a distraction for Solaris...and an opening for NT. I think >>(personally) NeXT's best opportunity is through COSE. The last thing >>UNIX needs are more variations...especially within one supplier's >>price list! > >Wrong. Sun's best opportunity is through NEXTSTEP. NO ONE *NO ONE* >** NO ONE** *******NO ONE******* *******************NO ONE***************** >who has any brains would base their entire future on the Motif interface. Or Windows? Do you want to be taken seriously, or do you want to be relegated to irrational fanatic status? Have you heard of the Amiga? Neat interface/O.S. How many companies run their PC operation on Amigas? >The main reason NeXT waited this long to ship NS/Intel was that it was not >until now that PC hardware was fast enough to run NEXTSTEP. The only Now *THAT* is garbage. 486's have been out for what, 4 years now? NeXT wanted to be a hardware company. Jobs was dragged into reality. Obviously, not all of his followers have joined him. >issue that is "too late" is the fact that Sun has written their epitaph >with the signing of the COSE agreement. Again, this is the kind of fanaticism that isn't based in reality, just wishful thinking. Sun's have been the #1 Motif platform! And we didn't even ship it standard! Folks were buying it separately and loading it. S/W developers now have to deal with just one user interface. Finally, UNIX has a common dashboard. Hardly an epitaph. >-Eric ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <1993Jun18.144839.15239@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: 18 Jun 93 14:48:39 EDT Organization: Univ of Miami IR Am I way out in a time warp? I would have expected a LOT of activity here about NeXTStep/Intel. But, I see very little appearing. Actually, I would expect a separate newsgroup for Intel NeXTStep. Is this lack of activity just my perception or is there a real lack of interest or excitement about NeXTStep/Intel? Tom Herbert University of Miami P.S. - this is not a idle comment - We are about to set up a student lab with 486 computers running NeXTStep.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Message-ID: <1993Jun18.201459.7868@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 20:14:59 GMT In comp.sys.next.misc ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes: >Okay, here's the deal: I'm going to be selling my Mac this summer to get >either another Mac in the fall or a '486. I was originally planning to >buy the '486, though I'd lose the ability to run my current Mac software >and MIDI packages, and run NeXTStep. Actually, you won't lose the ability to run all of your current Mac software packages, although the MIDI is probably shot. There's a company, I believe ARDI, which makes a Mac emulator called Executor that runs under NeXTSTEP. It currently runs Word, Excel, and a whole slew of "lesser" apps - Word and Excel were tough to do because of Microsoft's well-known use of obscure bugs in the MacOS. They are currently in the process of porting Exector to NS/FIP; they were showing a beta at NextWorld Expo. Don't have a contact address off-hand, but they're on the net (try info@ardi.com, it might work) and there's a demo version of Exector on the archives. Rollie -- Matt Rollefson ("Rollie") draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu Residential Computing, Stanford University NeXTmail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) Subject: Re: CFD: Proposed name change Message-ID: <1993Jun18.202955.8525@leland.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: sun next enemy microsoft nextstep Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Stanford University References: <1vjhqd$geb@usenet.rpi.edu> <1vkjci$4ac@tech.mis.cfc.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 20:29:55 GMT In comp.sys.next.misc tms@cfc.com writes: >What we really need to get into our heads (and all of NeXT, right up to >Steve) is that Sun isn't the enemy anymore. They never should have been. >NeXT never had the hardware muscle to battle Sun. Now had they gone head >to head with Solaris on the same platform, there might have been a >different story. >Microsoft is the evil empire. I know that this is a huge beast to take >on, but if you want market share you have to go to the place that has it >all: Microsoft. Judging from Steve's keynote address at NWE, he at least has realized this. To the best of my memory, Sun was not mentioned a single time. MicroSoft, on the other hand, was clearly being set up as the competitor, specifically Windows NT vs NS/FIP, but also in more general terms. I think that NeXT has decided to go for the Intel market, and that they realize that that means competing with MicroSoft. We'll see how they do. Rollie -- Matt Rollefson ("Rollie") draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu Residential Computing, Stanford University NeXTmail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Perl? Message-ID: <1993Jun18.181435.378@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 18:14:35 GMT Where can I get a copy of Perl for the NeXT? -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: Non-PS printers with NS/I Message-ID: <chris.740436311@vincent2.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> <1vs8ds$efg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 20:45:11 GMT In <1vs8ds$efg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: >In article <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes: >>Is there a way to use non-postscript (i.e. Ink jet) printers with NS/I? >It is no problem connecting a DeskJet printer to the parallel port >and print via djf_for_3.0. What exactly is djf_for_3.0? Where can I get it? Thank you for any help! >Regards, Markus. >-- >/dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart >/usr/spool/mail root@marsu.tynet.sub.org / wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de >~/.ircrc/nick Marsu >/etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join! -- Chris Wong | "PC suck? Yeah, I know, but NeXT has closes it's hard | line. chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: When printing with NSFIP, which does the rasterizing, NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <chris.740436493@vincent2.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <32995@galaxy.ucr.edu> <1993Jun18.170849.19323@adobe.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 20:48:13 GMT In <1993Jun18.170849.19323@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: >Mike Shebanek writes >> When a NEXTSTEP Intel machine prints to a PostScript printer, >> who's doing the PostScript processing, the CPU or the printer? >> For example, printing from a DeLL to an HP LaserJet with a >> PostSrcript cartridge. Does NEXTSTEP send the rasterized bitmap >> of each page to the printer for output, or does it send the raw >> PostScript code and let the printer do the rasterizing? >The interpreter inside the pritner does the rendering. >When printing to a "dumb" (or "shell" - e.g., DeskJet) printer, >that is when NEXTSTEP does the rasterizing and sends the bits across >the wire. How exactly can I print to a Canon Bubble Jet connected to LPT1? Thank you for any help. >PostScript is a far more compact format <in general> that raw raster >bits, so in a network situation, sending PostScript whenever possible >is a clear win. >-- >Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com >Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and >1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect >Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. >--------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Chris Wong | "PC suck? Yeah, I know, but NeXT has closes it's hard | line. chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Date: 18 Jun 1993 21:27:30 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vtc02$fmj@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1vrshn$5tp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > >clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com writes: > >>Why does NeXT have to prove itself in the marketplace *before* Sun > >>can see that it is an excellent alternative? Why can't Sun make > >>an effort to be a market leader rather than a market follower? > > >We are. We have been. We have been successful doing so. To break from > >our strategy (SPARC/Solaris) would be a high-risk gamble...especially for > >an market-unproven technology like NeXTstep (or NT, for that matter). > > But if Sun does not break from its current strategy, it will surely > fail. Solaris is not the answer. Glorified X-Windows systems do > not an OS make. I think it's a bit much to claim Sun will *certainly* fail (in the marketplace) with it's current strategy. The size of their installed user base helps them out, and they continue to remain pretty aggressive with their hardware prices. Speaking as just one person (as opposed to the entire marketplace), I do agree that solaris (at least in it's current form) will not succeed with *me*. It's pretty far down my list of preferred operating systems. But that's just me talking, and certainly I know other people who are more comfortable sticking with Sun's offering (at least for now). > >it would be a distraction for Solaris...and an opening for NT. I think > >(personally) NeXT's best opportunity is through COSE. The last thing > >UNIX needs are more variations...especially within one supplier's > >price list! > > Wrong. Sun's best opportunity is through NEXTSTEP. NO ONE *NO ONE* > ** NO ONE** *******NO ONE******* ************NO ONE***************** > who has any brains would base their entire future on the Motif interface. Come-on now Eric, don't sugar-coat it so much, tell us what you really feel... I think NeXTSTEP will prove itself in the marketplace well enough that within a year or so it will be much clearer that Sun would benefit by including it. Speaking personally again, over the next year I doubt I'll be buying any Sun hardware anyway, so I'm willing to wait. At the moment having NeXTSTEP on Sparc would probably seem to benefit NeXT more than Sun, and it's not all that surprising that Sun would rather wait. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Message-ID: <1993Jun18.212911.1718@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <m23vjuINNb6o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 21:29:11 GMT Todd Bernhard writes >> But if Sun does not break from its current strategy, it will surely fail. > This is the unfounded, baseless prediction that makes folks not > take NeXT fanatics seriously. I think the reason this statement comes up so often is that NeXT fanatics tend to get it thrown at them quite often the other way around. However, that's no excuse for such baseless dire predictions... > And OSF/1 is the leading 64-bit O.S. (It's the only one) Should > we drop Solaris for that too? No, not drop Solaris - but, as Sun has been doing in other areas, pick up the best parts and integrate them. Solaris is in *desperate* need of the kinds of sysadmin tools that OSF/1 has. There are probably other good pieces that can be picked up - OSF/1 turned out _somehow_ to be a nice OS. > Again, this is the kind of fanaticism that isn't based in reality, > just wishful thinking. Sun's have been the #1 Motif platform! > And we didn't even ship it standard! Folks were buying it > separately and loading it. S/W developers now have to deal with > just one user interface. Finally, UNIX has a common dashboard. > Hardly an epitaph. <With a definite smirk on my face> How much of that was due to OpenLook (and it's gloriously kinky scrollbars that give me nightmares of Andrew)? :-) Just kidding! Hopefully, Sun has learned it's lesson from that (I believe it has) and it will no longer take ~40% of the customers not just asking for something, but paying extra money for something before Sun will incorporate it. Would it really hurt that much to have NEXTSTEP as an option? :-) -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Date: 18 Jun 1993 21:47:32 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <1vtd5k$p71@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1vrshn$5tp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <m23vjuINNb6o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> In article <m23vjuINNb6o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: >In article <1vrshn$5tp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>In article <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: >> >>But if Sun does not break from its current strategy, it will surely fail. > >This is the unfounded, baseless prediction that makes folks not take >NeXT fanatics seriously. You could've said the above years ago, but >our strategy has been pretty darn successful. When NeXT is half as >successful, maybe you'll have a leg to stand on. First, my comment was a play on your previous comment about the success of NeXT, but of course you erased it for your reply. Second, Sun's strategy years ago was fine, that is why I didn't say anything then. In the present, however, there are better products on the market, and the competition is much more fierce. If you don't think so, that is fine. It is my opinion that Sun needs a strategy change. Lastly, if you are so much into "founded" predictions, please enlighten us as to how many Solaris 486 copies have sold? Maybe you will give me a leg to stand on. >>NEXTSTEP *is* the leading Object Oriented operating system, and it will >>continue to be, undoubtedly, for the next two years. If Sun has the >>intuition to recognize that Object Oriented Technology is the key to future >>software markets, then NEXTSTEP will be supported by Sun. >And OSF/1 is the leading 64-bit O.S. (It's the only one) Should we >drop Solaris for that too? Should we jump ship for every new neat-o >technology? Has that worked for Microsoft or any computer company? Listen, I would like to see nothing better than NeXT and Sun teaming up to conquer Microsoft. I do not like the way Microsoft mass markets mediocre technology. I do not respect Microsoft, nor am I impressed by any of Microsoft's supposed great achievements. I *am* impressed by Sun hardware, but I am *not* impressed by Solaris. I think Sun can do much better for themselves, and I believe now is the time to change. The market is very unstable, and there is a 2-3 year opening. When NT hits the mainstream, and Cairo and Taligent are in full force, the OS/OE market will close. In my opinion, NEXTSTEP will be a major player. Solaris will not. >>>it would be a distraction for Solaris...and an opening for NT. I think >>>(personally) NeXT's best opportunity is through COSE. The last thing >>Wrong. Sun's best opportunity is through NEXTSTEP. NO ONE *NO ONE* >>** NO ONE** *******NO ONE******* *******************NO ONE***************** >>who has any brains would base their entire future on the Motif interface. > >Or Windows? Do you want to be taken seriously, or do you want to be >relegated to irrational fanatic status? Have you heard of the Amiga? >Neat interface/O.S. How many companies run their PC operation on Amigas? COSE is *not* the answer, at least not the way it is being planned right now. It is going to take too long to form, and it is based on entirely the *wrong* interface - Xwindows/Motif. Xwindows is free for God's sake, why doesn't everyone run it? NO *major* sales will come out of this type of operating environment. Now if you don't listen to a guy from MIT on this (Xwindows was created here at MIT) then who will you listen to!? NEXTSTEP would give COSE an object-oriented head start over Cairo and Taligent, and it would also give COSE the nicest user environment by far. If you think I am being fanatical, then start reading some of the trade rag reviews on NEXTSTEP. Or better yet, show me one review of Solaris 486 that is not mediocre. >>The main reason NeXT waited this long to ship NS/Intel was that it was not >>until now that PC hardware was fast enough to run NEXTSTEP. The only >Now *THAT* is garbage. 486's have been out for what, 4 years now? >NeXT wanted to be a hardware company. Jobs was dragged into reality. >Obviously, not all of his followers have joined him. You seem to forget that Local Bus Video, 16 megs of ram, and 330 megs of hard drive space are required. Three years ago, a PC system like this would have cost more than a NEXT Station! Even if I gave you the benefit of the doubt on PC performance, then why did SunSoft wait until this year to release Solaris 486? It seems Sun STILL has not been dragged into reality, as you so put it. It is honestly amazing to me that Sun believes they can compete in the hardware market in 1994 with their current stratey, pricing, systems, and operating environment. >>issue that is "too late" is the fact that Sun has written their epitaph >>with the signing of the COSE agreement. > >Again, this is the kind of fanaticism that isn't based in reality, just >wishful thinking. Sun's have been the #1 Motif platform! And we didn't >even ship it standard! Folks were buying it separately and loading it. >S/W developers now have to deal with just one user interface. Finally, >UNIX has a common dashboard. Hardly an epitaph. There will never be just one user interface. That would mean forcing a set of standards on everyone, whether they like it or not. The common UNIX "dashboard" is not a good idea. It is healty to have a free market. Innovation is stifled otherwise. It is my argument, however, that if you wish to take on this type of reasoning, then at least give the people something to convince them to switch to your technology. COSE with XWindows/Motif wont do it. Solaris wont do it. NEXTSTEP may or may not do it, but it will come the closest. -Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tony Maas) Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun18.214024.35909@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 21:40:24 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993Jun18.144839.15239@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1993Jun18.144839.15239@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes: |> Am I way out in a time warp? I would have expected a LOT of activity here |> about NeXTStep/Intel. But, I see very little appearing. Actually, I |> would expect a separate newsgroup for Intel NeXTStep. |> |> Is this lack of activity just my perception or is there a real lack of |> interest or excitement about NeXTStep/Intel? |> Well, I for one am not suffering from a lack of excitement over NEXTSTEP 3.1, even though I have black hardware. I'm in the process of doing my first major upgrade to my 8/200 slab - adding a 1.2G hard drive so I can have some real fun. I haven't been this excited since I bought the machine, I don't think. Since somebody mentioned the user group thing, any NeXT user groups near Rochester, MN? Tony Maas IBM Rochester, MN tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
From: tpugh@oce.orst.edu (Tim Pugh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <1vtemv$a3i@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: 18 Jun 93 22:13:51 GMT Article-I.D.: gaia.1vtemv$a3i References: <1993Jun18.144839.15239@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University In article <1993Jun18.144839.15239@umiami.ir.miami.edu> therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes: > Am I way out in a time warp? I would have expected a LOT of activity here > about NeXTStep/Intel. But, I see very little appearing. Actually, I > would expect a separate newsgroup for Intel NeXTStep. > > Is this lack of activity just my perception or is there a real lack of > interest or excitement about NeXTStep/Intel? > > Tom Herbert > University of Miami > > P.S. - this is not a idle comment - We are about to set up a student > lab with 486 computers running NeXTStep. Time Warp, I think. There was well over 100 posts to the NeXT newsgroups since yesterday and the majority of the posts were concerning NS/FIP. The number of post vary day to day, but I would say this was an average day. I've noticed alot more new names and inquires on the NeXT newsgroups since the Expo, but don't think it's even close to peaking. I am expecting a lot more new people with the same questions: "Where can I get NS/FIP?" "How much is NS/FIP?" "Why should I buy NS/FIP?" "How does NS/FIP compare to OS/2, to NT, ...?" "Who is selling NS/FIP pre-installed?" Someone should probably post every week a FAQ list to reduce the cluter. I would say it saves 10-20 new posts a week and 20-30 replys. Just a thought :^) Sorry to waste bandwidth on a NeXT advocacy question. - Tim - -- Tim Pugh College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University tpugh@oce.orst.edu NeXTmail ok!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <1993Jun18.220235.11415@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jun18.144839.15239@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 22:02:35 GMT therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes > Am I way out in a time warp? I would have expected a LOT of > activity here about NeXTStep/Intel. But, I see very little > appearing. Actually, I would expect a separate newsgroup for > Intel NeXTStep. > > Is this lack of activity just my perception or is there a real > lack of interest or excitement about NeXTStep/Intel? On a typical port you expect a lot of excitement of the sort `this broke and that broke and this works differently and that no longer runs.' That NS/I hasn't had that sort of excitement is a good sign. The _implications_ of having NS/I around (and hence more sales and cheaper hardware) are exciting. But lets face it, NS/I itself is, in the best possible way, boring. Its exactly the same as NS/Moto. If you're excited about the one you're excited about the other. But there's no reason to be excited about NS/I per se. How many other OS's can make that claim? -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Date: 18 Jun 1993 23:48:30 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <1vtk8e$rqa@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Jun18.144839.15239@umiami.ir.miami.edu> <1993Jun18.220235.11415@leland.Stanford.EDU> >therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes >> Am I way out in a time warp? I would have expected a LOT of >> activity here about NeXTStep/Intel. But, I see very little >> appearing. Actually, I would expect a separate newsgroup for >> Intel NeXTStep. >> >> Is this lack of activity just my perception or is there a real >> lack of interest or excitement about NeXTStep/Intel? If you check out *all* of the NeXT newsgroups, you will see that there are probably over 50 articles a day relating to interest in NEXTSTEP for Intel. Most of these people are newcomers. Here are the ten NEXTSTEP newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep comp.sys.next.advocacy comp.sys.next.announce comp.sys.next.bugs comp.sys.next.hardware comp.sys.next.marketplace comp.sys.next.misc comp.sys.next.programmer comp.sys.next.software comp.sys.next.sysadmin Compared with other computer newsgroups (comp.os.ms-windows groups, comp.sys.mac groups, comp.sys.hp, comp.sys.dos groups, comp.sys.sun groups, comp.sys.dec, comp.sys.sgi groups, etc) NEXTSTEP probably has the highest level of interest right now. -Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,sci.lang.japan From: jimmy@denwa.info.com (Jim Gottlieb) Subject: Japanese on a NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jun18.190334.7112@denwa.info.com> Organization: Info Connections, West Los Angeles Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 19:03:34 GMT Is there any way to add Japanese reading and writing capability to a NeXT machine that doesn't have X, aside from paying Canon in Japan about $3500 for the Japanese version of the O.S? Any hints welcome. Thanks... -- Jim Gottlieb E-Mail: jimmy@denwa.info.com In Japan: jimmy@info.juice.or.jp V-Mail: +1 310 551 7702 Fax: 478-3060 Voice: 824-5454
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: EISA vs. VESA Message-ID: <ibhan.740451257@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 19 Jun 93 00:54:17 GMT While some companies have both EISA and VESA on the same motherboard, I'd like to know if anyone's compared the two for video. Is EISA fast enough for NS (comfortably?). Has anyone successfully used Gateway's EISA systems with NeXTStep? -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 3.1 upgrade for black H/W Date: 19 Jun 1993 01:41:26 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vtqs6$lj@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Jun18.150929.6703@bnr.ca> In article <1993Jun18.150929.6703@bnr.ca>, parkhill@nnepy220.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rob Parkhill) writes: |> Hi All: |> Sorry if this has been asked a million times, but I finally |> have the $$ to order my 3.1 upgrade, so here is comes again. What |> is the NEW phone # to call and order my 3.1 upgrade (black HW of course :-) |> I'm an educational buyer if that makes any difference. |> And has anyone in Canada ordered/received it yet. What kind of |> hassles did you go through with customs? |> |> aTdHvAaNnKcSe |> Ert |> |> |> -- |> Ert Parkhill | I don't speak for anyone I have ever worked for | No Email |> GC v0.3: GCS d-- -p+ c++ l m+ s++/++ g+ w+ t+ |> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |> OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR |> I was planning to send you this message but the mail-daemon didn't like you address, so I shall post it anyway.... I phoned 1-800-MRS-NEXT and that seemed to get me through to someone who knew what they were doing...The acranim was someone on the nets by the way not NeXT's...I forget who, but it stuck so I thought I would pass it on. john.
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Date: 19 Jun 1993 00:37:47 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <m24nurINNclf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <m23vjuINNb6o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun18.212911.1718@adobe.com> In article <1993Jun18.212911.1718@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: >Todd Bernhard writes >>> But if Sun does not break from its current strategy, it will surely fail. >> This is the unfounded, baseless prediction that makes folks not >> take NeXT fanatics seriously. > >I think the reason this statement comes up so often is that NeXT >fanatics tend to get it thrown at them quite often the other way >around. However, that's no excuse for such baseless dire predictions... And NeXT *HAS* adopted strategies that resulted in failure. That's the difference. People predict NeXT's failures and they come true. People predict Sun's failures and they've been wrong. >> And OSF/1 is the leading 64-bit O.S. (It's the only one) Should >> we drop Solaris for that too? > >No, not drop Solaris - but, as Sun has been doing in other areas, >pick up the best parts and integrate them. Solaris is in *desperate* >need of the kinds of sysadmin tools that OSF/1 has. There are >probably other good pieces that can be picked up - OSF/1 turned out >_somehow_ to be a nice OS. Well, we *are* adopting Motif. We're working with Tivoli, etc. However, DEC is the only vendor shipping OSF/1, and still they'd prefer to sell NT and/or "Open"VMS. My larger issue/point was jumping from one technology to another simply because "it's hi-tech, neat or pretty" is not always a winning strategy. As for "picking up parts", I wasn't aware NeXTstep was split up into licenseable components? Which ones can we add to Solaris? What are the royalties? Anything proposed to X/Open or any other standards body? Is NeXT an Open Systems company or a Proprietary one? >> Again, this is the kind of fanaticism that isn't based in reality, >> just wishful thinking. Sun's have been the #1 Motif platform! >> And we didn't even ship it standard! Folks were buying it >> separately and loading it. S/W developers now have to deal with >> just one user interface. Finally, UNIX has a common dashboard. >> Hardly an epitaph. > ><With a definite smirk on my face> How much of that was due to >OpenLook (and it's gloriously kinky scrollbars that give me nightmares >of Andrew)? :-) Just kidding! (HEY! I *liked* Andrew [for the rest of you, Scott and I lived down the hall from eachother at Carnegie Mellon...home of Andrew...and Mach]) Anyway, OPEN LOOK was licensed from Xerox and "lawsuit-proof", as well as free. One compromise is Motif will go to X/Open and be "tax-free". >Hopefully, Sun has learned it's lesson from that (I believe it has) >and it will no longer take ~40% of the customers not just asking >for something, but paying extra money for something before Sun will >incorporate it. Like the old joke goes, we're just arguing over how much :^) At what point does it make sense to dilute your own strategy and offer conflicting products, while your (much bigger) competitor's primary strength is "unity/consistency/oneness". >Would it really hurt that much to have NEXTSTEP as an option? :-) Someone else said it best...NeXT has the most to gain. I say, go for it! >Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 19 Jun 1993 00:46:26 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Distribution: world Message-ID: <m24of2INNclu@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <1vrshn$5tp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: >zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >> But if Sun does not break from its current strategy, it will surely >> fail. Solaris is not the answer. Glorified X-Windows systems do >> not an OS make. > >I think it's a bit much to claim Sun will *certainly* fail (in the >marketplace) with it's current strategy. The size of their installed user >base helps them out, and they continue to remain pretty aggressive with >their hardware prices. Thanks. How can the above poster (Eric) be taken seriously? Don't other NeXT advocates (follow ups to c.s.n.a) realize this hurts their cause overall? It's hard to take NeXT fans seriously. Fortunately, there are folks like Garance. Like I said earlier, NeXT users are NeXT's greatest advantage, but also their greatest detractor. >I think NeXTSTEP will prove itself in the marketplace well enough that >within a year or so it will be much clearer that Sun would benefit by >including it. time will tell. >having NeXTSTEP on Sparc would probably seem to benefit NeXT more than Sun, >and it's not all that surprising that Sun would rather wait. exactly. ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 19 Jun 1993 01:52:41 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Distribution: world Message-ID: <m24sb9INNcq2@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1vrshn$5tp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <m23vjuINNb6o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> In article zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >In article <m23vjuINNb6o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: >much more fierce. If you don't think so, that is fine. It is my opinion >that Sun needs a strategy change. Lastly, if you are so much into "founded" >predictions, please enlighten us as to how many Solaris 486 copies have sold? >Maybe you will give me a leg to stand on. I will look into it. It started shipping last month. I'm in SMCC, not SunSoft, so I'll check on those sales figures. See below for an individual 20,000 seat deal. That's how much NeXT announced for a whole year. BTW, it's "Solaris x86"...i.e. it runs on 386's too. >Listen, I would like to see nothing better than NeXT and Sun teaming up to >conquer Microsoft. I do not like the way Microsoft mass markets mediocre >technology. I do not respect Microsoft, nor am I impressed by any of >Microsoft's supposed great achievements. I *am* impressed by Sun hardware, good. I work for the hardware company! >but I am *not* impressed by Solaris. I think Sun can do much better >for themselves, and I believe now is the time to change. The market is very >unstable, and there is a 2-3 year opening. When NT hits the mainstream, >and Cairo and Taligent are in full force, the OS/OE market will close. In >my opinion, NEXTSTEP will be a major player. Solaris will not. Hmmm. Maybe the answer is NT on SPARC? >>>Wrong. Sun's best opportunity is through NEXTSTEP. NO ONE *NO ONE* >>>** NO ONE** *******NO ONE******* *******************NO ONE***************** >>>who has any brains would base their entire future on the Motif interface. >> >>Or Windows? Do you want to be taken seriously, or do you want to be >>relegated to irrational fanatic status? Have you heard of the Amiga? >>Neat interface/O.S. How many companies run their PC operation on Amigas? > >COSE is *not* the answer, at least not the way it is being planned right now. >It is going to take too long to form, and it is based on entirely the *wrong* >interface - Xwindows/Motif. Xwindows is free for God's sake, why doesn't 99.9% of UNIXes run X windows. Aside from UNIX, PCs run Windows and Macs run MacOS. What's your point? Even PCs and Macs can run X. As for Motif, it looks like Windows (the world's best seller)...it may not be as neat-o as you like, but the numbers look neat-o to me. >everyone run it? NO *major* sales will come out of this type of operating >environment. You're not paying attention. Motif has done quite well in the marketplace, selling orders of magnitude more than NeXTstep. Plus, it looks like Windows (which has some "*major* sales", so customers feel good about mixing and matching. > Now if you don't listen to a guy from MIT on this (Xwindows was >created here at MIT) then who will you listen to!? NEXTSTEP would give COSE Well, we're even. I went to Carnegie Mellon (Mach was created at CMU). Now, will you listen to me? :^) >an object-oriented head start over Cairo and Taligent, and it would also >give COSE the nicest user environment by far. If you think I am being >fanatical, then start reading some of the trade rag reviews on NEXTSTEP. "Nice O.S.'s finish last". Sorry, had to say that. :^) I'm not disputing the "niceness" of NeXTstep...You mention COSE (actually I mentioned it first)...now *there's* an opportunity. If NeXT wants to offer NeXTstep to COSE, then there'd be a *unified*, "nice" object oriented O.S. to do battle with NT. It's in NeXT's court. >Or better yet, show me one review of Solaris 486 that is not mediocre. Article in InfoWorld, 5 April 1993, about Solaris port to Intel. A few excerpts are below. Solaris port to Intel platform gets corporate user laurels ---------------------------------------------------------- "We've been surprised at how robust and functional it is" said Dave Pensak, corporate advisor of computing technology for Du Pont. "We have 20,000 x86 machines. We cannot afford to throw them away and replace them with Unix boxes," Pensak added. "This could give us a way to move to open systems enterprise computing without losing our investment. Here's another one: "Sun Rise Against Windows" ..."Despite the hype, Microsoft is not going to have it all its own way with Windows NT..the combination of Solaris for the x86 and Wabi is a powerful shot in the direction of Microsoft, and Sun is not at pains to prevent itself making the point"... (PC Dealer-April 21, 1993) >>>The main reason NeXT waited this long to ship NS/Intel was that it was not >>>until now that PC hardware was fast enough to run NEXTSTEP. The only > >>Now *THAT* is garbage. 486's have been out for what, 4 years now? >>NeXT wanted to be a hardware company. Jobs was dragged into reality. >>Obviously, not all of his followers have joined him. > >You seem to forget that Local Bus Video, 16 megs of ram, and 330 megs of >hard drive space are required. Three years ago, a PC system like this would NeXTstep for Intel requires VGA, ISA, 120MB disk, 8MB RAM and 486/25MHz. If you believe that is incorrect, please notify NeXT and have them fix their Hardware Compatibility Matrix (excerpts below). >have cost more than a NEXT Station! Even if I gave you the benefit of >the doubt on PC performance, then why did SunSoft wait until this year to >release Solaris 486? It seems Sun STILL has not been dragged >into reality, as you so put it. It is honestly amazing to me that Sun *I* wasn't the one saying the reason ___ "waited this long to ship ___ was that it was not until now that PC hardware was fast enough..." Solaris runs on 80386, as well as 486 and Pentium. So obviously, we were delayed by our own strategy more than PC hardware. No argument. We've made the moves that allowed us to offer Solaris x86 (SVr4 base, bought Interactive). >believes they can compete in the hardware market in 1994 with their current >stratey, pricing, systems, and operating environment. time will tell. >>>issue that is "too late" is the fact that Sun has written their epitaph >>>with the signing of the COSE agreement. >> >>Again, this is the kind of fanaticism that isn't based in reality, just >>wishful thinking. Sun's have been the #1 Motif platform! And we didn't >>even ship it standard! Folks were buying it separately and loading it. >>S/W developers now have to deal with just one user interface. Finally, >>UNIX has a common dashboard. Hardly an epitaph. > > >There will never be just one user interface. That would mean forcing a set >of standards on everyone, whether they like it or not. The common UNIX >"dashboard" is not a good idea. It is healty to have a free market. Repeat the above statement, replacing UNIX with Automobiles. That's the point. >Innovation is stifled otherwise. It is my argument, Innovate on other areas. Is anyone putting the brake pedal to the right of the gas pedal of the car? Still, carmakers are finding ways to innovate. >COSE with XWindows/Motif wont do it. Solaris wont do it. NEXTSTEP may or >may not do it, but it will come the closest. an opinion. but that game was played out with NeXTstations. >-Eric ---todd NEXTSTEP HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY GUIDE EXPANSION BUS - ISA or EISA expansion bus. AVAILABLE HARD DISK SPACE - NEXTSTEP supports multiple partitioned hard disks, allowing the user to install and boot several operating systems from the same local hard disk. Larger local disks are recommended for standalone systems or for systems with a local non-NEXTSTEP partition. NEXTSTEP User Environment - 120 MB (megabyte) partition minimum - 200 MB recommended for standalone systems NEXTSTEP User + Developer Environments - 330 MB partition minimum - 400 MB recommended RAM REQUIREMENTS - Ram requirements vary depending upon selection of graphics adapter. GRAPHICS MINIMUM RAM RECOMMENDED RAM 16 bit color 16 Megabytes 24 Megabytes 8 bit grayscale 12 Megabytes 16 Megabytes 2 bit grayscale 8 Megabytes 12 Megabytes GRAPHICS ADAPTERS - STANDARD VGA Vendor Model Bus Driver Graphics Resolutions _____________________________________________________________________ various various ISA VGA 2 bit grayscale Adapter 640x480 resolution (default) DISK INTERFACES - IDE and several SCSI Hard Disk Interfaces are supported. POINTING DEVICES - Microsoft compatible PS/2 and serial mice. Logitec PS/2, serial and bus mice. PRINTERS - Any Postscript printer connected via a serial or parallel port, including the NeXT Color Printer (connected via a SCSI port). NeXT recommends color Postscript printers with Postscript Level II for proper color support. NETWORKING - Several Ethernet and Token Ring networking adapters are supported. A networking adapter is optional. SOUND - NEXTSTEP can support certain PC sound cards for both playback and recording. A Sound card is optional. -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/I Sound Message-ID: <ibhan.740454734@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 19 Jun 93 01:52:14 GMT I was reading the blurb about the Media Vision Pro Audio Specrum sound card from NeXT. THey say that with 3.1 it will be able to playback at it's full 16-bit, 44.1Khz, stereo capability, but recording will be limited to 8 Khz mono. Why is this? Is this a driver limitation? Will this be fixed? This really bugs me, considering that it seems to be one of the only sound cards NeXT is supporting at the time. (The other major thing that bugs me is that Epson didn't put EISA in the Progression NX...at least as an option! It would be the idea machine then). -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT NEXTSTEP (FOR NEWCOMERS) Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park/Orlando, FL Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 03:05:57 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun19.030557.21165@bilver.uucp> References: <1vrte1$67e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <1vrte1$67e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >This is some general information about NeXTSTEP for those new to it. I have >a feeling the $249.00 educational pricing will spark a few new interests. >=============================================================================== I think you missed something here. >System Requirements: >16-bit color system: >Intel 486(SX,SL,DX,DX/2) or 586 (Pentium) Processor >16 megs of memory, 120 meg HD (user version) or 330 meg HD (developer version) >Hi Res Graphics card (such as ATI Graphjics Pro, C&T Wingine, etc >ISA or EISA expansion bus >IDE and SCSI drives supported >Sound Card Optional >2-bit and 8-bit greyscale systems: >Intel 486(SX,SL,DX,DX/2) or 586 (Pentium) Processor >8 megs of memory, 120 meg HD (user version) or 330 meg HD (developer version) >VESA compatible VGA or SVGA card (8-bit greyscale requires higher quality card) >ISA or EISA expansion >IDE and SCSI drivees supported >Sound Card Optional Well you left out one very important thing - and I didn't see it in the article either. You need to have a CD-ROM player. The discount version comes only on CD-ROM. I am not sure about the full blown system - that might be on tape - but I don't think so. If so substitute tape drive for CD-ROM -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Message-ID: <1993Jun19.050443.28945@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <m24nurINNclf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 05:04:43 GMT In article <m24nurINNclf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > And NeXT *HAS* adopted strategies that resulted in failure. That's > the difference. People predict NeXT's failures and they come true. > People predict Sun's failures and they've been wrong. This is the kind of tragic garbage I expect from a marketing person like you Todd. What the heck, I'll point out the other two statements you "forgot". People predicted NeXT would fail and be out of business years ago, and they are still in business. People (as in, Sun people) predicted Open Look would be just swell. Oh well! But then again, you're just hanging out in these groups to help us, right Todd? Stick with your "facts" Todd, and take your own advise about leaving out the fanaticism. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: AppleTalk in 3.1 Message-ID: <C8uyvF.89M@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1v4ild$5bt@turtle.mrj.com> <1v58k9INNal5@gap.caltech.edu> <1vrdmo$ldb@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 07:45:14 GMT In article <1vrdmo$ldb@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> penney@cl-next4.cl.msu.edu (Chris Penney) writes: [ ] > >I've heard that Partner Plus _does not_ make your NeXT appear as a normal >AppleTalk File Server... instead, it requires all of the client macs to >have some kind of chooser device. It probally works better than NFS/Share >for the Mac, but what would be the point in going from one propietary >software package to another (already have NFS/Share)... oh, well. Are >there any companies who sell an AppleTalk File Server package for the NeXT >that let's your NeXT act like a true AppleTalk File Server? IPT's uShare (renamed?) let's a NeXT, at least mine, act as a true Appletalk File Server, with the exception that it does not support the AppleIIGS file extensions. You don't need anything other than a Mac/GS/ PC with Copstalk or PhoneNet/etc...to use it. It and uPrint are fine products. The Choose device I use on the Mac comes with the Mac-> simply the typical Chooser. Have things changed? As far as I know the only thing needed for Mac's involve mail utilities. Mind you, there may be something different in the way UShare works to lock out computers without access permissions. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ken@phys.titech.ac.jp (Ken-ichiro Aoki) Subject: Re: Non-PS printers with NS/I In-Reply-To: zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de's message of 18 Jun 1993 11:20:28 GMT Message-ID: <KEN.93Jun19162239@ieyasu.phys.titech.ac.jp> Sender: news@phys.titech.ac.jp (Usenet News System) Organization: Dept. of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology References: <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> <1vs8ds$efg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 07:22:39 GMT >In article <1vs8ds$efg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: >In article <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes: >>Is there a way to use non-postscript (i.e. Ink jet) printers with NS/I? >It is no problem connecting a DeskJet printer to the parallel port ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >and print via djf_for_3.0. I think you mean the *serial port* ? HPDJ500, 550 are supported. I think somebody uploaded a color version for HPDJ550C. These apps should be available on the archives. Regards, Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail root@marsu.tynet.sub.org / wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join! -- Kenichiro Aoki (ken@phys,titech.ac.jp), Department of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Oh-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo, JAPAN $@@DLZ7r0lO:!$El5~9)6HBg3XM}3XItJ*M}3X2J!$El5~ETL\9u6hBg2,;3(J
From: mstankus@oba.ucsd.edu (Mark Stankus) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Re: GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT NEXTSTEP (FOR NEWCOMERS) Message-ID: <51074@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 19 Jun 93 08:16:29 GMT References: <1vrte1$67e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Jun19.030557.21165@bilver.uucp> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Followup-To: comp.soft-sys.nextstep Organization: Mathematics @ UCSD In article <1993Jun19.030557.21165@bilver.uucp> bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes: >[munch] >Well you left out one very important thing - and I didn't see it in the >article either. > >You need to have a CD-ROM player. The discount version comes only on >CD-ROM. I am not sure about the full blown system - that might be on >tape - but I don't think so. If so substitute tape drive for CD-ROM > >-- >Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org When people were putting NS3.0 on their black hardware, user groups set up so that you could install your stuff without having to buy a CD-ROM player. Also, there are universtiy bookstores which would probably be willing to do it for you. There MUST be some very low cost alternative. Mark Stankus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: NS 3.1 LOGINWINDOW OPTIONS?? Message-ID: <1993Jun19.072514.818@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <3729.2C20DB94@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 07:25:14 GMT In article <3729.2C20DB94@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Gordon.Van.Huizen@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Gordon Van Huizen) writes: > -- > Gordon Van Huizen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 > UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name > INTERNET: Gordon.Van.Huizen@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG Ack! How the HELL did THAT happen??? I'm not ON Fidonet and that little signature is cute but it isn't mine. Must be some automated mailing list fun. Can anybody exlain this to me??? Wonder if something sent to Gordon.Van.Huizen@f236.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG would ever get to me? :-) Baffled, Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Date: 19 Jun 1993 08:35:58 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <1vuj5e$2eh@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> References: <m24nurINNclf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun19.050443.28945@cs.yale.edu> In article <1993Jun19.050443.28945@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <m24nurINNclf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd >Bernhard) writes: > >> And NeXT *HAS* adopted strategies that resulted in failure. That's >> the difference. People predict NeXT's failures and they come true. >> People predict Sun's failures and they've been wrong. > >This is the kind of tragic garbage I expect from a marketing person like >you Todd. What the heck, I'll point out the other two statements you >"forgot". please do. > People predicted NeXT would fail and be out of business years ago, and > they are still in business. People predicted NeXT would be out of the HARDWARE business years ago, and they INDEED ARE. > People (as in, Sun people) predicted Open Look would be just swell. Oh > well! Big whoop. I've admitted that and indeed I have used Sun's adopting Motif as an example of a company that recognizes the market dynamics and reacts. OPEN LOOK still sold more than NeXTstep, many times over. But it's time for unity. >But then again, you're just hanging out in these groups to help us, >right Todd? You have to have an open mind to be helped... >Nathan "USENET" Janette ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: walters@id.com (Chris Walters) Subject: Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change In-Reply-To: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM's message of 15 Jun 1993 22: 27:47 GMT Message-ID: <WALTERS.93Jun17211647@corndog.id.com> Sender: walters@corndog.id.com (Chris Walters) Organization: Intrinsic Development Corp. References: <m1qgvlINNeai@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun15.201329.9646@cs.yale.edu> <m1sj73INNh78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 02:16:47 GMT In article <m1sj73INNh78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: The issue isn't disputing facts. It's choosing to ignoring them. *That* is the 'head in the sand' attitude. That won't get you far in dealing with real customers who have the facts and choose not to ignore them. Exactly. There are some *real* people who have *real* *factual* concerns about the quality of Sun's products and services, and how they seem to be on a continued downward slide. Get your head out of the sand, Todd. Not everyone is happy with the direction Sun is going. Witness the Solaris licensing debacle currently raging in the various Solaris groups. -- Chris Walters 10600 Arrowhead Dr., Suite 350 RDR, Inc. Oakton, VA 22030 walters@rdr.com (703)591-8713,(703)273-8170 FAX ------------------------- Hack Naked --------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!molly!vlcek (Jim Vlcek) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP talk on the Sun Newsgroups Message-ID: <C8uD8q.Kr9@molly.uucp> Sender: vlcek@molly.uucp (James Vlcek) Organization: The Black Box of Lowertown References: <1vqobv$5po@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 23:58:01 GMT In article <1vqobv$5po@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > I found a couple of things on the comp.sys.sun.misc newsgroup that I > thought were interesting. The first is a complaint about Solaris' new > liscencing (end effect is Sun users are being forced to pay more $$ for > Solaris 2.2): I talked about this with a local Sun systems engineer today, as I'm considering upgrading my SPARC II at work to Solaris 2.2. He reassured me (this is my understanding of things): - Exporting directories from the SPARC would not make my machine a server. - The standard upgrade is a two-user license, not a single user. (Solaris 2.1 had been single user; he laughed as he described how "we got a lot of feedback on that".) - The OS does not enforce the licensing policies; it is still an honor system. > Looks like Mr. McNealy should have said yes to the Sparc port. The natives > are getting restless! I talked with him about one of our crying needs: NetWare client access from Solaris. This is currently only available from third-party sources; Spry is the vendor Sun will point you to, and I'm not convinced that their product is entirely ready-for-prime-time. (In fairness to Spry, I have not evaluated the SprySoft NetWare client product; I have seen their Air for Windows product, which looks a bit too much like shareware for my tastes. Also, the rep I spoke with at Spry told me that there are currently no plans to port SprySoft to Solaris 2.2 - the Sun engineer theorized that Spry may be concerned about spending precious development dollars on a product that is already written into the COSE spec. They're worried Sun may Microsoft them further on up the road.) So, anyway: the engineer told me that Sun is quite hard-nosed about what it invests in. I'd like them to put some money into bringing productivity apps and NetWare compatibility into their desktop offerings, but it's easy to see that Sun's money is in much larger installations. Sun is making their money (and excellent mone, too) by replacing mainframes more so than PCs. All of which may help to illustrate why Sun is not yet terribly excited about an NS port to SPARC. (Look how long they've ignored X terminals, for example) NeXT screws things up, of course, by constantly posturing as a competitor to Sun. Simson Garfinkel (bright guy, went to MIT just like you and I :-) had it 100% right: NeXT's competition is Microsoft, not Sun. Still and all ... like you, I'd enjoy seeing a SPARC port. > In any event, at least the Sun'ners think NEXTSTEP > is easy to use. The interface is certainly much more comfortable. I got my slab at about the same time as the SPARC arrived at work, and I quickly saw which one I preferred to work at. But there's much more to the whole picture than that. I'd still rather target my product to SPARC than even NS/FIP - I gotta keep market realities in mind. Also, I really don't like a vendor who insists that everything be done his/her own, unique, and often incompatible way. That kind of bullshit has all but killed UNIX - allowing Microsoft to virtually take over the software world. NeXT needs to lose the attitude. > -Eric Jim Vlcek molly!vlcek@uunet.uu.net
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <1993Jun19.053229.652@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 05:32:29 GMT References: <1993Jun18.144839.15239@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Sender: clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com Organization: GiantLeap Software therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes >Am I way out in a time warp? I would have expected a LOT of activity here >about NeXTStep/Intel. But, I see very little appearing. Actually, I >would expect a separate newsgroup for Intel NeXTStep. > >Is this lack of activity just my perception or is there a real lack of >interest or excitement about NeXTStep/Intel? > >Tom Herbert >University of Miami > >P.S. - this is not a idle comment - We are about to set up a student >lab with 486 computers running NeXTStep. > I think you're observing a jaded group who has been discussing the relative merits of an Intel port for several years. Perhaps more important, though, is that NS/I is sufficiently similar to NS/Moto that there's little to be excited about specific to the Intel port. Any excitement/enthusiam/fanaticism you see for NeXTstep applies equally to all ports of NS (even though only two are available right now). I think there has recently been a *lot* of enthusiam specific to the NS/I edu pricing for the complete development environment. I think the students who have access to your lab will also become very excited when they realize they can have their own system for ~$250 (plus the cost of an Intel system if they don't already have it :) Charles. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 292-2442 or 363-0887 (Hou) (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Re: 3.1 upgrade for black H/W Message-ID: <1993Jun19.033405.6242@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Organization: Digital Fix Development References: <1993Jun18.165001.978@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 03:34:05 GMT Stefano Pagiola writes > Rob Parkhill writes > > Sorry if this has been asked a million times, but I finally > > have the $$ to order my 3.1 upgrade, so here is comes again. What > > is the NEW phone # to call and order my 3.1 upgrade (black HW of > > course :-) > > 1-800-848-NeXT still works. Then choose `3', if i remember > correctly. Used it yesterday. > Oh Stefano, close, but not quite. 800 848-NeXT told me to call 800 677-NEXT, and that worked. [fast shipping 2 days, including a border crossing!] -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmeacham@ants.edu (James D. Meacham 3rd) Subject: Intel Screen Res Message-ID: <1993Jun19.165704.1301@ants.edu> Sender: jmeacham@ants.edu Organization: Andover Newton Theological School Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 16:57:04 GMT I've been giving some thought recently to getting rid of my slab and picking up a NS/I system. One thing I haven't heard mentioned is the resolution of NS/I. One of the reasons I moved from Mac to NeXT in the first place was because I NeXT had 92 dpi screen, where the Mac only has 72 dpi. As I'm not sure what causes the screen image resolution (Dammit, Jim, I'm theologian not a computer scientist...) I was wondering: Does NS/I support the same clear, sharp picture that my slab does? If not, what is the resolution? Finally, what seems to be the low-end price for getting into a color Intel system with a decent (say, 17") monitor? I bow before your knowlege, o great gurus of NeXTdom :) James --- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ James David Meacham, 3rd Andover Newton Theological School e-mail:jmeacham@ants.edu Newton Centre, MA 02159 NeXTMAIL accepted +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ James David Meacham, 3rd Andover Newton Theological School e-mail:jmeacham@ants.edu Newton Centre, MA 02159 NeXTMAIL accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Message-ID: <ibhan.740508668@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 19 Jun 93 16:51:08 GMT References: <m24nurINNclf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun19.050443.28945@cs.yale.edu> <1vuj5e$2eh@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> In <1vuj5e$2eh@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: >People predicted NeXT would be out of the HARDWARE business years >ago, and they INDEED ARE. Nope. People predicted NeXT, as a company, would fail and be out of business. Of course, there was no word of NS/I at that point, but that's another matter... -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Epson Progression NX for NeXTStep Message-ID: <ibhan.740508816@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 19 Jun 93 16:53:36 GMT I think I've pretty much decided to go with NeXTStep/Intel this fall, once I sell my Mac. I'm trying to decide what machine to get. One I was considering was the Epson Progression NX, since it seems like a pretty good setup. My main problem with it is that it only has an ISA bus, and I'm pretty sure that EISA seems to be the way to go, since it's a 32-bit bus. I'll have over 16 MB of RAM, so ISA would be a limitation. So basically, I'm looking for an EISA/VESA system that is not too expensive. I'd like to hear about what people have been using and how it has gone, and if they have any tips about what to look for. -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Baseline? Message-ID: <ibhan.740509276@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 19 Jun 93 17:01:16 GMT I see a lot of talk about the text object not supporting the "baseline". Could someone please tell me (please post to the net, not e-mail - I don't want to get flooded) what the hell the baseline is? -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: AppleTalk in 3.1 Date: 19 Jun 1993 17:07:06 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1vvh3qINN28u@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1v58k9INNal5@gap.caltech.edu> <1vrdmo$ldb@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <C8uyvF.89M@utstat.toronto.edu> >> IPT's uShare (renamed?) let's a NeXT, at least mine, act as a true Right, uShare and Partner Plus are the same thing. Partner Plus is an easier name for me to remember, so that's what I use. Anyway, when I get it (and 3.1--I don't know which will get here last) I'll post a mini-review of Partner Plus. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Message-ID: <C8vsL1.Bvu@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <m24nurINNclf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun19.050443.28945@cs.yale.edu> <1vuj5e$2eh@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 18:27:01 GMT In article <1vuj5e$2eh@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: [ ] > >> People predicted NeXT would fail and be out of business years ago, and >> they are still in business. > >People predicted NeXT would be out of the HARDWARE business years >ago, and they INDEED ARE. That was hardly something that was difficult to predict. In fact most people have been busy predicting the move towards Intel platforms for many OS's. The 486 simply sold so quickly that the move came more rapidly. That part (the timing) was unexpected, but the changes in the computer industry have been quite unreal over the past year. heck, it's not that long ago that we all had Sun's on our desks. Now, they are all gone for the most part and replaced by X-terminals, and when these go they will be replaced by 486's running as X-terminals (if I had to guess) unless NCD dramatically lowers their price. Now this is nothing against Sun, but you guys don't appear to ever get mentioned in the memos I receive (I'm on sabbatical) regarding our future computing needs, which is a far cry from say 5 or 6 years ago. On the other hand, a good number of the members of our Department have NeXT's. [ ] The bottom line is that there is really no interestiong reasons to even look at Sun. It's not that you guys have a bad product line. It's simply that you haven't got anything really special to offer that can't be had elsewhere. So the more traditional Unix types where I work seem to be getting X-terminals hooked to Iris's, or RS6000's, etc...Those of us who couldn't care less about Unix, and that includes me, get NeXT's, Mac's, etc... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Word Processor, R-T-F would be nice Message-ID: <1241@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 19 Jun 93 06:11:46 GMT References: <1993Jun17.082344.4344@prim> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com In article <1993Jun16.194540.2517@afs.com> Michael_Pizolato@afs.com writes: >Has anyone considered doing a complete RTF implementation? Or at >least a more complete one than Edit has now? How about this new >Rightbrain offering - has anyone used it? Does it save RTF? Why >isn't RTF being more fully exploited? Our new word processor (ExactlyWrite) has full support for RTF, at least as full as the NeXT implementation allows (I'm not all that familiar with RTF on other platforms, unfortunately). You can certainly open, save, and copy/paste RTF to and from practically any other app on a NeXT. If there are more specific things about RTF that you feel are missing from Edit and/or other NeXT apps, send me a note and tell me what they are. If you're curious about ExactlyWrite, send a note to "info@rightbrain.com". We've been sort of buried recently trying to respond to all the inquiries, but we'll get back to you as soon as we can. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Intel Screen Res Message-ID: <ibhan.740514913@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 19 Jun 93 18:35:13 GMT References: <1993Jun19.165704.1301@ants.edu> On a similar note, what is the appropriate monitor for the 1024xwhatever resolution that NS supports? 17"? 15"? (That is, what is the right monitor for WYSIWYG?). How good are most 15" monitors at displaying this resolution clearly? -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: duane@shell.portal.com (Duane Takamine) Subject: Re: NEXTSTEP talk on the Sun Newsgroups Message-ID: <C8v7qF.6zM@unix.portal.com> Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) References: <1vqobv$5po@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 10:56:38 GMT In article <1vqobv$5po@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >Here is something else I found: > >: >>Dificult to use >----->------->--->---->---->----> Easy to use >: >>Less Powerful >: >> | >: >> | CPM---->UNIX---->DOS----->MAC >: >> | \ \ >: >> \ / \--------->-------\ >: >> | \ \->NeXTStep >: >> | \-->Solarus >: >> \ / >: >>More Powerful > > >I don't quite agree that DOS,MAC should be on the same power-line as UNIX, >and I think NEXTSTEP should be at least as powerful as Solaris (although I >don't use Solaris much). In any event, at least the Sun'ners think NEXTSTEP >is easy to use. > >-Eric > > I am also pleased that they think that NeXTStep is easy to use. However, I find it difficult to get excited about the opinion of someone that thinks that Unix belongs on the same par with CPM and DOS in terms of power. Or for that matter, the Mac and DOS. I hope that that was just an unfortunate simplification to make the diagram easier to draw. Its debatable as to whether or not the Solaris OS is more powerful than the underlying NeXTStep OS, but there is no doubt that the NeXTStep user environment is more powerful than Solaris'. Still, NeXTStep is only one notch down from Solaris in a Sun newsgroup, which I guess says something in itself. Duane -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Duane Takamine duane@shell.portal.com Island CD Creations Madd Hacker Productions Home of the Sound Site CDROM - nearly 1400 mods on disc
From: toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Date: 19 Jun 1993 18:43:25 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Message-ID: <1vvmod$7cd@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> References: <m24nurINNclf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun19.050443.28945@cs.yale.edu> <1vuj5e$2eh@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> <ibhan.740508668@husc.harvard.edu> In article <ibhan.740508668@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes: >In <1vuj5e$2eh@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: > >>People predicted NeXT would be out of the HARDWARE business years >>ago, and they INDEED ARE. > >Nope. People predicted NeXT, as a company, would fail and be out of >business. Of course, there was no word of NS/I at that point, but that's >another matter... Perhaps some did. But the overriding prediction was software was NeXT's best (and only) hope. I'll leave it to netters to judge for themselves. My take on it is that as long as companies like Wang, Commodore, and others exist as a company, NeXT can too. >Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ---todd -- Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Problems: PLI Superfloppy and 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jun19.185440.1987@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Jun18.071349.576@antigone.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 18:54:40 GMT In article <1993Jun18.071349.576@antigone.com> mross@antigone.com writes: > Gordon Van Huizen (gvh@metrosoft.com) wrote: > : In article <1993Jun16.181531.2364@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> > : garrett@renaissance.com writes: > : > I have a NeXT Cube with a PLI Superfloppy 2.88. Now that I > : > have upgraded to NS 3.1 for black hardware, my floppy > : > drive will no longer format disk with the NeXT file system > : > (DOS and Mac formatting still works). I seems that NeXT is > : > using a different driver for floppy formatting now. Has > : > anybody had this same problem? > > Has anyone thought to call PLI on this one? I thought about it for a split second, realized how much help they'd be and how many phone calls it would take to STILL not have an answer and decided not to call. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: suckow@uropax.contrib.de (Ralf Suckow) Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <1993Jun19.200523.10081@uropax.contrib.de> Organization: Contributed Software GbR References: <1993Jun18.144839.15239@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 20:05:23 GMT therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes: >Am I way out in a time warp? I would have expected a LOT of activity here >about NeXTStep/Intel. But, I see very little appearing. Actually, I >would expect a separate newsgroup for Intel NeXTStep. Now, the Intel NeXTStep is THE NeXTStep (unfortunately). >Is this lack of activity just my perception or is there a real lack of >interest or excitement about NeXTStep/Intel? It takes a while to get present. In Germany (Berlin) for example, the first copies will be available only on Monday, the 21. of June. So be a bit patient, please. >Tom Herbert >University of Miami >P.S. - this is not a idle comment - We are about to set up a student >lab with 486 computers running NeXTStep. Ralf -- Ralf Suckow, Berlin | suckow@contrib.de | Do you think it's difficult to speak Russian? Contributed Software | Every Moscow kid aged 5 years speaks it perfectly. only delivers my mail.|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Message-ID: <1vvtj6$90q@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1vuj5e$2eh@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> <ibhan.740508668@husc.harvard.edu> <1vvmod$7cd@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 20:40:06 GMT In article <1vvmod$7cd@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: >best (and only) hope. I'll leave it to netters to judge for themselves. >My take on it is that as long as companies like Wang, Commodore, and >others exist as a company, NeXT can too. Why is the Sun evangelist spending so much time here then? All you're doing is insuring that a bunch of potential hardware customers (hey, we all need servers, and what about NeXTSTEP/Sparc one day) get pissed off and sick of you. Do you think that we're going to put Sun on the top of our lists because you're dumping your employer-centric rhetoric on us? I'll say no thanks, because you (all by yourself) have turned this customer off of Sun for good. I'll look to IBM and HP if I need some RISC power. (Jeez, that's probably a good idea anyway since Sun's best effort can barely knock off a Pentium PC). - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SCSI & IDE & SCSI-2 Date: 19 Jun 1993 21:25:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <20007l$7k8@ni.umd.edu> References: <1v3au0$pp8@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> <bchin.739647198@nextsrv1> In article <bchin.739647198@nextsrv1> bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) writes: > >> Second, which of the supported cards allow SCSI-2? > >What do you mean by "allow?" NeXT's own hardware is SCSI-1 but >"allows" SCSI-2 peripherals. I believe all the supported >SCSI controllers are "SCSI-2" which doesn't mean that much. >I think all of them can do the "Fast transfer" mode of >SCSI-2 however. Just to follow on to what Bill had mentioned, when you talk about "SCSI-2" and compare it to "SCSI-1", there are really two different issues to consider: hardware/performance issues and software/command issues. SCSI-2 has specified optional higher performance hardware interfaces which can optionally be accomodated. There is higher SCSI bus transfer rates for synchronous transfers ("fast" SCSI) as well as a wider data path (16 or 32 bits for "wide" SCSI). The synchronous transfer rates are just negotiated within the SCSI initiator/target protocols where the device (target) can advise the initiator (host SCSI adapter) that it can do synchronous transfers and at what rate. There are commands specified by the SCSI-2 specifications which "conformant" devices are required to implement. The idea is that you should be able to probe each successive SCSI target number using standard commands to discover what's on the bus. These commands and their responses are things like INQUIRE, MODE SENSE, MODE SELECT, etc. If the operating system is using a common subset of commands ("CCS" - common command subset) that we defined prior to SCSI-2, then it should be able to interoperate with older, non-SCSI-2 devices. Unless NeXT has decided to implement synchronous transfers, the "fast" option is SCSI-2 really doesn't enter into the discussion since it will never get used. The "fast" refers to faster synchronous transfers (rather than the asynchronous transfers which are used by default and which the NeXT has used). This is one reason why many of us don't bother to attempt to use NeXT hardware as file servers - the performance is necessarily limited, and there was only one SCSI bus available for use. Of course, this may all be different now. Does anyone know if 3.1 supports synchronous SCSI transfers on any hardware? Louis Mamakos
Sender: news@stasys.sta.sub.org Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ram@ramsys.sta.sub.org (Reimer A. Mellin) Subject: Re: Non-PS printers with NS/I Message-ID: <1993Jun19.154259.896@ramsys.sta.sub.org> Sender: ram@ramsys.sta.sub.org (Reimer A. Mellin) Organization: at home References: <KEN.93Jun19162239@ieyasu.phys.titech.ac.jp> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 15:42:59 GMT Ken-ichiro Aoki writes > >In article <1vs8ds$efg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) writes: > >In article <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes: > >>Is there a way to use non-postscript (i.e. Ink jet) printers with NS/I? > > >It is no problem connecting a DeskJet printer to the parallel port > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >and print via djf_for_3.0. > > I think you mean the *serial port* ? Actually you can use any character-based device (even pipes/files) for the djf output. You just have to specify the device in the printcap-entry. And since NSfIP supports a parallel port ..... :-) Cheers Reimer -- Reimer A. Mellin, ram@ramsys.sta.sub.org Aidenbachstr. 131/6, 8000 Muenchen 71,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony J. Stuckey) Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 23:30:37 GMT Message-ID: <C8w6n2.M45@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <m1sj73INNh78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun16.221539.4387@gleap.jpunix.com> <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1vrshn$5tp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <m23vjuINNb6o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: >As for objects, Sun is working with HP on DOE (Distributed Objects >Everywhere), and maybe NeXT's move to CORBA will ultimately make >this a non-issue. Nextstep is IMHO far and away the leader in object-based environments. Don't shoot yourself in the foot. >Again, this is the kind of fanaticism that isn't based in reality, just >wishful thinking. Sun's have been the #1 Motif platform! And we didn't >even ship it standard! Folks were buying it separately and loading it. >S/W developers now have to deal with just one user interface. Finally, >UNIX has a common dashboard. Hardly an epitaph. "And we didn't even ship it standard." Why didn't you take the hint? :) I'm frankly getting tired of seeing things that are only 90% good out of Sun. You may be the best, you may even be the most popular, but that doesn't mean you're stellar. Get that through your head, and people will begin to be satisfied. -- Anthony J. Stuckey stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu "And if you frisbee-throw a universe where does it go?" Turquoise, Steve Blunt.
From: croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Date: 20 Jun 1993 00:02:10 GMT Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <2009e2$3i@cs.ubc.ca> References: <1vvtj6$90q@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> Darcy BROCKBANK writes (about Todd Bernhard): >Why is the Sun evangelist spending so much time here then? >All you're doing is insuring that a bunch of potential hardware >customers get pissed off and sick of you. > [and other assorted derogatory ravings] Hey, this is uncalled for. Todd was expressing some very sensible concerns, and I for one appreciate his presence here. Besides, if you really think that someone expressing concerns about NeXT in an elitist, out-in-space forum like Usenet is going to seriously affect NeXT's business prospects, then they really haven't got a prayer :-) NeXT has an awesome product; nobody is disputing that. But in getting widespread acceptance, it has a huge battle ahead of it, and someone who is thinking of seriously investing in NEXTSTEP would be stupid to ignore that. You only have to look in any of the computer magazines to see what NeXT is up against. Check out specifically the ones covering the markets NeXT is targetting: software design, object-oriented software, client-server solutions, database systems. There's no mention of NEXTSTEP, and there are tons of products and solutions for Windows and Unix/X. But it's still early for NEXTSTEP/FIP, and I believe it stands a good chance of success by gaining a critical mass of acceptance in IS departments of _large_ corporations (like Chrysler), that can wield significant influence over their suppliers. (Heck, between the auto industry and the government, you've got just about the whole economy.) I think NeXT's strategy of focusing on large, custom client-server systems is bang on the money this time. The market is ripe for large corporations downsizing from mainframes, and NEXTSTEP can offer something absolutely essential to large IS departments that Windows can't: robustness and stability. An hour or two of downtime can easily cost a large corporation many times more than cost of the entire system and its development. By taking advantage of NEXTSTEP's integrated object-oriented development environment, applications can be created and deployed, not just more quickly, but with far less a chance of a bug than in other solutions constructed of less-integrated components (e.g. Windows). That's where NEXTSTEP beats anything else for development: you can do so much more the elegant "right" way, before you have to resort to kludging it up, and this results in the very real advantage of a more robust program. NEXTSTEP has a chance of becoming widely-accepted, but it will only do it from the top down, by trickling down to smaller companies and finally home users. In the meantime, I can wait and be thankful for academic discounts and enjoy these entertaining flame-fests. :-) -- Chris Roehrig (croehrig@cs.ubc.ca) Small Neural Systems Group Dept. of Computer Science, University of British Columbia, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Date: Sat, 19 Jun 93 23:01:32 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun19.230132.7303@qb.rhein-main.de> References: <102.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Just to pour some H2CO3 into the burning rumors: In article <102.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: [...] > At Expo NeXT marketing indicated that only the HP PA port is in the works. > While PowerPC, Alpha, and SPARC are certainly possible (perhaps done), he > didn't feel that more RISC ports would make strategic sense in the near > future. However, at the Q&A Hour with NeXT engineers one of them, when asked "We have heard about a second RISC port. Which other chip is it?", answered "I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you, because of the non-disclosure agreement". He did not say "No comment" or "no such thing". Faint hope arising... :-) [...] > 1% of the intel market is as significant to NeXT now as all the RISC > markets put together. The same is true for Mickey$oft and it's to-be-born-dead NT. It's the prestige, the possibility to earn Bigger Bucks on faster CPUs, and the need to provide an enterprisewide solution that drives these ports. (Why else would they port to PA-RISC, in the first place?) -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jimu@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au (James Uther) Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 00:39:06 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun20.003906.19169@cs.su.oz.au> References: <ibhan.740282246@husc.harvard.edu> <1993Jun17.222101.429@imani.cam.org> Sender: news@cs.su.oz.au (News) In article <1993Jun17.222101.429@imani.cam.org>, nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: |> However, in the same way that _all_ 680X0-based machines can _not_ run all |> 680X0-based OSs, I would not bet that all PPC machines will run _all_ PPC OSs. |> NeXT's machine might have been very different from what Apple comes out with (see |> a NeXT machine and a Macintosh for possible differences), so NS may not run on it. |> Wait to see. Sad, but I had to tell you 8^/> I hear that the ppc is quite 'bus independant' (whatever that means..). Indeed IBM are releasing a microchannel based machine later this year, while apple will probalby stick to newbus or a derivative. So I assume (in a blindly ignorant way) that this would mean rewriting only the device drivers... (only!! he says) james
From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Date: 20 Jun 1993 04:57:51 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Message-ID: <200qofINN7ge@network.ucsd.edu> References: <1993Jun18.144839.15239@umiami.ir.miami.edu> <1993Jun18.220235.11415@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1vtk8e$rqa@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <1vtk8e$rqa@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: -> ->>therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes ->If you check out *all* of the NeXT newsgroups, you will see that there ->are probably over 50 articles a day relating to interest in ->NEXTSTEP for Intel. Most of these people are newcomers. Here are the ->ten NEXTSTEP newsgroups: -> -> ->Compared with other computer newsgroups (comp.os.ms-windows groups, ->comp.sys.mac groups, comp.sys.hp, comp.sys.dos groups, comp.sys.sun ->groups, comp.sys.dec, comp.sys.sgi groups, etc) NEXTSTEP probably has ->the highest level of interest right now. -> ->-Eric Did you conveniently omit comp.os.os2.* from your list? What about comp.os.linux? comp.os.os2.misc alone probably has more traffic than all the next groups put together. alann alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: News Group list needed Message-ID: <1993Jun19.165711.10088@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center Date: Sat, 19 Jun 93 16:57:11 GMT This does not really belong here but... Can someone point me in the direction of a listing of the available news groups? Please respond by mail to reduce trafic in this group. Thanks. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Message-ID: <201pi5$k62@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1vvtj6$90q@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> <2009e2$3i@cs.ubc.ca> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 13:43:33 GMT In article <2009e2$3i@cs.ubc.ca> croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris Roehrig) writes: >Darcy BROCKBANK writes (about Todd Bernhard): >>Why is the Sun evangelist spending so much time here then? >>All you're doing is insuring that a bunch of potential hardware >>customers get pissed off and sick of you. >> [and other assorted derogatory ravings] > >Hey, this is uncalled for. Todd was expressing some very sensible >concerns Like Motif is the way to go, Sun is the way to go, Sun holds "monopolistic" market share, Sun's market share is rising, Sun is the #1 shipper of RISC platforms, Sun is the #1 supplier of servers, Solaris sold as much in one sale as NEXTSTEP will all year.... This is what I'm sick of. I think that Sun advocacy belongs in the Sun advocacy group. This is NeXT advocacy. I appreciate people adding well-balanced comments (and though I mostly disagree with him) I even appreciate Mark Crispin's view every now and then. This Sun stuff shows up in every other article, and I'm sick of it. >you really think that someone expressing concerns about NeXT in an >elitist, out-in-space forum like Usenet is going to seriously affect >NeXT's business prospects, then they really haven't got a prayer :-) Hardly... It's just the wrong place for Sun advocacy from a paid-by-sun evangelist. But by all means, place all your concerns here. They help me decide if I want to have anything to do with NeXT in the future. - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Date: 20 Jun 1993 17:27:33 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <2026m5$k16@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1vvtj6$90q@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> <2009e2$3i@cs.ubc.ca> <201pi5$k62@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> In article <201pi5$k62@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: >This is what I'm sick of. I think that Sun advocacy belongs in >the Sun advocacy group. This is NeXT advocacy. I appreciate >people adding well-balanced comments (and though I mostly disagree >with him) I even appreciate Mark Crispin's view every now and then. >This Sun stuff shows up in every other article, and I'm sick >of it. Part of NeXT advocacy is showing others (especially those from Sun) that the NEXTSTEP way of doing things is the most productive. It takes people from Sun, and other NeXT naysayers, to start debates like Mac vs. NeXT, Sun vs. NeXT, etc. If we just advocate to other NEXTSTEP users, it would do no good! I am already enlightened about the fact the NEXTSTEP is the best for me. Telling me about how great NEXTSTEP is wont do you or I any good. We must enlighten the rest of the world, and in doing so, we must be prepared to take stuff thrown in our face. Just do it. -Eric
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) Subject: Re: GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT NEXTSTEP (FOR NEWCOMERS) Message-ID: <1993Jun20.160622.4929@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics References: <1vrte1$67e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Jun19.030557.21165@bilver.uucp> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 93 16:06:22 GMT bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes: >In article <1vrte1$67e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>This is some general information about NeXTSTEP for those new to it. I have >>a feeling the $249.00 educational pricing will spark a few new interests. >>=============================================================================== >I think you missed something here. >Well you left out one very important thing - and I didn't see it in the >article either. >You need to have a CD-ROM player. The discount version comes only on >CD-ROM. I am not sure about the full blown system - that might be on >tape - but I don't think so. If so substitute tape drive for CD-ROM If you've sat for an hour swapping disks installing other large programs, you'll realize how nice distribution on CD-ROM can be. You don't need to buy a CD-ROM drive, many machines come with NeXTStep preinstalled or you can RENT one for an afternoon. You do need a SCSI port use the CD-ROM drive, though. >-- >Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org Kirk Haller haller@math.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu (James R. Saker Jr.) Subject: NS/Intel excitement Message-ID: <jsaker.740598746@cwis> Keywords: NS/Intel,excitement,etc Sender: news@news.unomaha.edu (UNO Network News Server) Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 17:52:26 GMT After following a bit of the "where's the excitement feed", I thought I'd throw in my $.02. We just obtained a copy of NS/Intel and installed it last night. Despite a little fun w/ incompatible Cirrus VLB drivers and being stuck in 640x480 mode (blech!) and having to wait a few hours for the CD-ROM >> HD installation process (no problem... went and saw Jurassic Park while it loaded), we're quite impressed so far. I'm fairly convinced I'll keep NS/Intel running here, and depending on several factors, we may migrate it into our R&D department at work (replacing OS/2 for R&D). Incidently, has anyone successfully configured the Cirrus Logic 1MB 1024x768 board into the NS/Intel environment? The Hardware Compat. Guide lists a Cirrus Logic GD542X as being compatible in the 1024/768 mode w/ 2-bit greyscale, but I'm getting nothing but a hashing screen split into thirds (top/middle/bottom). Any success stories w/ the Cirrus? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jamie Saker jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu . . Systems Engineer Business/MIS Major . . Telenational Communications Univ. Nebraska at Omaha . . voice: (402) 392-7548 . . fax: (402) 391-7283 . . Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are mine and not my employers, . . nor the University of Nebraska at Omaha's. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: e-mail addr for MIT Computing Center Date: 20 Jun 1993 18:42:13 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Distribution: world Message-ID: <202b25$ic3@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Hi all, I need the e.mail address of the MIT computer center (I think that's what it's called) because i want to place an order for 3.1 (yeah!) I'd call them, but I'm in Europe right now and I wanted to get the promo pricing (w/ free 3.2 upgrade) before the promo ended. BTW, when does the promo end? Thanks for any info, Joel Belog nether@wpi.wpi.edu
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: URGENT: Monitor is waving. What gives? Message-ID: <1993Jun20.170854.322@imani.cam.org> Date: 20 Jun 93 17:08:54 GMT References: <1993Jun7.045849.2576@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1993Jun7.045849.2576@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > Hi > > [Sorry for cross-posting, but I'm panicking a bit here!] > > As the subject line says, my B/W monitor is waving i.e. vertical waves are going > around, at about 2 mm intervals, for a few seconds, and then going away. > > It's been getting worse. What next? > > My system is a monochrome Cube that is runnning 24hrs for UUCp, but gets > relatively little use these days. It's an old '030 system, so it's the old > monitor. > > Thanks for _any_ help or pointers. > > Ciao > > -- > Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)< Well, the results are in, and I seem to have done something stupid. Most answers concentrated on three aspects: electrical interferences from the outside (I've been using it here, with the same set-up, for 6 months, so wasn't that); Bad monitor (the "Oh no! What do I do now? *&%$#" answer); and power supply problems, wich would influence the monitor. I was getting ready to change the power supply, when my Cube crashed while rebooting. It would give me some error message I'd never seen, and just freeze. Planning on trying to boot from the optical, I took the disk that was in the slot out, only to notice that it was burning. Coincidence? I didn't think so either... Ends up my machine was heating up _a lot_. That seems to have been the cause of the monitor problems, and of crashes I'd been having for the last while. After correcting the situation (No, I won't say what I'd done in the first place to get it to overheat. It was _REALLY_ stupid! Not something I'd share with anybody. Understood, Rob?), everything went back to normal. My guess is that with summer kicking in, the temperature in my Cube just passed the tolerable level. So, that's it. Not much excitment, not much drama. Thanks to all who tried to help, but you coulnd't have known. You did, however, point me in the right direction. Ciao Nicolas Dore -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL!!! FRENCHIE ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Si la classe ouvriere ne nous satisfait plus, nous la destituerons< > et en elirons une autre" B. Brecht (ne parlant pas d'informatique)<
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Word Processor, R-T-F would be nice Date: 17 Jun 1993 22:21:26 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vqqp6INNpe@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1993Jun17.082344.4344@prim> In article <1993Jun17.082344.4344@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > In article <1993Jun16.194540.2517@afs.com> Michael_Pizolato@afs.com writes: > > Why isn't RTF being more fully exploited? > > <stuff deleted> My main worry about a > fuller implementation of RTF would be how well Edit would be able to display > it for people that don't have the new word processor. Has anyone ever tried > displaying a rich RTF document (eg created an a Mac) on the NeXT and if so, > how does it compare? > Either it just ignores all unknown rtf-commands or it crashes :-))) So you shouldn't worry about your main worry. I might like to add that MS-Word seems to have expanded the RTF-spec with styles etc, so things are getting more complicated! For people out there who are wondering what to do with all their Mac files I would recommend using Convert{RTF,PICT,TEXT,etc}. All my reports written on a Mac were converted to RTF using MS-Word and then thrown into ConvertRTF. Now I have them on my NeXT with pictures and everything (except for the formulas written in MS-Word). Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: e-mail addr for MIT Computing Center Date: 20 Jun 1993 22:12:28 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <202ncc$q02@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <202b25$ic3@bigboote.WPI.EDU> In article <202b25$ic3@bigboote.WPI.EDU> nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) writes: > > Hi all, I need the e.mail address of the MIT computer center > (I think that's what it's called) because i want to > place an order for 3.1 (yeah!) I am posting this info to the internet because the MIT computer center handles orders for the majority of the Boston educational market... MIT Computer Connection 617-253-7686 jafar@mccnext.mit.edu (the guy who handles NEXTSTEP Stuff) mcc@mit.edu (general info) mccflame@mit.edu (suggestions to the computer store) -Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Problems With Services Message-ID: <1993Jun20.214507.907@altsys.com> Summary: Services are busted Keywords: Services, 3.1, Terminal, TickleServices Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 21:45:07 GMT Hey ya'll: I am having major trouble with services. I have installed TickleServices.app (which is cool). However, strange things are happening: 1) My Service Providing applications that put files in ~/.NeXT/services don't seem to work (Notebook, Terminal come to mind) 2) Programs like Edit also do not supply Services 3) TickleServices didn't work until I held my tongue just so, then suddenly it started to work. 4) /usr/bin/open gives the following messages: open: can't open connection to "nameyourapp" on local host. I am very confused. Hep me. L -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <2009e2$3i@cs.ubc.ca> <201pi5$k62@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> <2026m5$k16@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 18:33:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun20.183306.781@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <2026m5$k16@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >In article <201pi5$k62@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > >>This is what I'm sick of. I think that Sun advocacy belongs in >>the Sun advocacy group. This is NeXT advocacy. I appreciate >>people adding well-balanced comments (and though I mostly disagree >>with him) I even appreciate Mark Crispin's view every now and then. > >>This Sun stuff shows up in every other article, and I'm sick >>of it. > >Part of NeXT advocacy is showing others (especially those from Sun) that >the NEXTSTEP way of doing things is the most productive. It takes people >from Sun, and other NeXT naysayers, to start debates like Mac vs. NeXT, >Sun vs. NeXT, etc. If we just advocate to other NEXTSTEP users, it would >do no good! I am already enlightened about the fact the NEXTSTEP is the >best for me. Telling me about how great NEXTSTEP is wont do you or I any good. >We must enlighten the rest of the world, and in doing so, we must be >prepared to take stuff thrown in our face. Just do it. Why do you have to "enlighten the rest of the world"? Why can't they just be left to make up their own minds? What is it about young male american college students that makes them assume the role of religous zealots when it comes to NeXT? I mean why "advocate" at all? You never see people passionately advocating one make of washing machine over another, so what is it about an operating system that sets your pulse racing? Shouldn't you be out chatting up girls and playing baseball, or smoking dope and staging sit-ins or something? An operating system is just a tool, and surely what matters is what the technology enables you to do, not the technology itself. What's more important, the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his plays have been any better? IMO, all this excitable hot-air must be driving away people who want to use these newsgroups to chat sensibly about NeXT software. If you love the software as much as you claim, then let's talk more about the design of the software itself - how it can be improved, how it compares to other operating systems and so on. More facts and analysis and less "Windoze sucks man!" type comments. All IMHO of course. :-) Dave Griffiths
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Date: 21 Jun 1993 00:57:36 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <203120INNe5s@gap.caltech.edu> References: <201pi5$k62@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> <2026m5$k16@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Jun20.183306.781@prim> >> Why do you have to "enlighten the rest of the world"? Why can't they >> just be left to make up their own minds? Good question. I can definitely see reasons in this case though. In general, decision makers are most happy not making decisions, at least not explicit ones. This means they tend to leave things the way they are. Like, "why not just keep using the mainframes?", or "what are these silly Mac things anyway?", or "I do not like Green Eggs and Ham, I do not like them Sam I am." So, it takes a little nudge, or a lot of nudge, to get people to try something that they really will like better. So, someone who's been there already (like Sam I Am) can see better than someone who hasn't that that someone would like this thing. Then the question is, why do I care whether this someone's life is better? My life is better already, let them worry about their own life. Aside from things like altruism and religious conviction (which I do not claim is not a part of NeXT evangelism), there is a clear selfish reason for this sort of nudging of people over their intellectual inertia hills. Standards make computers work, and work well. As a result, we have all seen really great little things totally squashed by large old ugly things. The only way for the really great little things to make it is for them to gain wide acceptance. (Then, after time, they too become large old ugly things, largely due to the curse of backward compatibility, but alas, that is the way of things.) So, we like NeXTStep a lot better than the current standards, and so we want it to supplant them, as we have seen older ones supplanted by the current ones. We know this will not happen if we sit idly by and watch. Hence, we should be doing a lot of nudging. Of course, advocacy on a NeXT newsgroup is pretty useless, but some discussion about how to advocate makes sense. And having an advocate for the "enemy" to counterpoint the NeXT advocacy is a blessing. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Message-ID: <1993Jun21.013320.18812@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jun20.183306.781@prim> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 01:33:20 GMT In article <1993Jun20.183306.781@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > In article <2026m5$k16@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > >Part of NeXT advocacy is showing others (especially those from Sun) that > >the NEXTSTEP way of doing things is the most productive. It takes people > >from Sun, and other NeXT naysayers, to start debates like Mac vs. NeXT, > >Sun vs. NeXT, etc. If we just advocate to other NEXTSTEP users, it would > >do no good! I am already enlightened about the fact the NEXTSTEP is the > >best for me. Telling me about how great NEXTSTEP is wont do you or I any good. > >We must enlighten the rest of the world, and in doing so, we must be > >prepared to take stuff thrown in our face. Just do it. > > Why do you have to "enlighten the rest of the world"? Why can't they just be > left to make up their own minds? What is it about young male american college > students that makes them assume the role of religous zealots when it comes to > NeXT? I mean why "advocate" at all? You never see people passionately > advocating one make of washing machine over another, so what is it about an > operating system that sets your pulse racing? Shouldn't you be out chatting > up girls and playing baseball, or smoking dope and staging sit-ins or > something? I'd like to assume those comments were a tragic attempt at comedy, but just in case I'm wrong about that: get a clue and drop the blatant sexism and bigotry. There are plenty of both female and older NeXT advocates. Other than that, I have no problem leaving people to make up their own minds...after they've been presented with NEXTSTEP as a viable OS choice. The problem I have is that NeXT has done a terrible job marketing NEXTSTEP for years, and until they catch up, many folks in the community will feel obligated to do some marketing for NeXT. Of course, I can understand that are plenty of folks who would rather customers not find out about NEXTSTEP. I imagine some of them are losing a bit of sleep these days. Sweet dreams. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT NEXTSTEP (FOR NEWCOMERS) Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Orlando / Winter Park, FL Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 01:27:05 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun21.012705.22901@bilver.uucp> References: <1vrte1$67e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Jun19.030557.21165@bilver.uucp> <1993Jun20.160622.4929@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> In article <1993Jun20.160622.4929@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) writes: >bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes: >>In article <1vrte1$67e@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >>>This is some general information about NeXTSTEP for those new to it. I have >>>a feeling the $249.00 educational pricing will spark a few new interests. >>>=============================================================================== >>Well you left out one very important thing - and I didn't see it in the >>article either. >>You need to have a CD-ROM player. The discount version comes only on >>CD-ROM. I am not sure about the full blown system - that might be on >>tape - but I don't think so. If so substitute tape drive for CD-ROM > If you've sat for an hour swapping disks installing other large > programs, you'll realize how nice distribution on CD-ROM can be. > You don't need to buy a CD-ROM drive, many machines come with > NeXTStep preinstalled or you can RENT one for an afternoon. You > do need a SCSI port use the CD-ROM drive, though. Oh yes - including some totally brain dead Unix install scripts that insisted on rebuilding the kernel after every added package instead of waiting until they were all installed. That was more like 5 hours - not AN hour. I hope to get NeXTSTEP up an running late next month. -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org
From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Word Processor, R-T-F would be nice Message-ID: <16179@optilink.COM> Date: 20 Jun 93 23:09:38 GMT References: <1993Jun16.194540.2517@afs.com> <1993Jun17.082344.4344@prim> Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA In article <1993Jun17.082344.4344@prim>, dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > ... Has anyone ever tried > displaying a rich RTF document (eg created an a Mac) on the NeXT and if so, > how does it compare? One way to manipulate a Mac-created RTF document on a NeXT is simply to run MS Word for Mac under ARDI's Executor. Brad Yearwood brad@optilink.com Petaluma, CA
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc From: Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Worldwide Educational Offers. Message-ID: <9317215.2637@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Keywords: NeXT, Education Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 05:39:44 GMT Following a recent thread on NeXT Educational Offers... When *will* NeXT start offering the Educational Price bundle *worldwide*? In Australia? I did a poll a few days ago and recieved a large repsonse w.r.t. buying NeXTSTEP 486... at a similar price (less than 1/10 th RRP). There is demand.... much more than what was for black hardware, for sure. People at NeXT, please work on this, as you did start as an educational machine and have had a lot of help from the educational arena. At an estimated $500 AUSD if ever offered people will buy NeXTSTEP (EDU) in Australia. A CS/Maths/Stats department about to buy a lab of 486's... Why would they not buy NS 486 and have a lab that is a fully fledged UNIX (hackers) and also caters for the Windows/Word Processing/Spreadsheet (users) crowd. I could convince a computer buying committee (or at least try :-) to consider NeXTSTEP. The working duality of NeXTSTEP on 486 machines, matched with a very reasonable price would make it an option hard to knock back. So, how about it? Aris. -- name: aris theocharides. address: room mg14, maths dept, melb uni, parkville, vic, australia, 3052. phone [+613] uni: 344.74.16, home: 489.90.14, fax: 344.45.99 e.mail: aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU (NeXTmail)
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for turbo colour station Message-ID: <56@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 21 Jun 93 05:33:42 GMT Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. Hi Ich suche eine Turbo Colour Next Station. I am looking for a turbo colour NeXT Station. Preise und Ausstattung per email an mich Price4s and equipment via email. /***************************************************************************/ /* Kay Schulz, Rheinstr. 24, 72768 Reutlingen, Germany */ /* 07121 / 601961 privat */ /* 07121 / 35 1341 geschaeftlich */ /*kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de WORKING Address */ /*nagasena!kay@gold.t-informatik.ba-stuttgart.de My home computer */ /*kschulz@gold.t-informatik.ba-stuttgart.de Let me handle the address*/ /***************************************************************************/
From: zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Non-PS printers with NS/I Date: 21 Jun 1993 08:26:41 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <203rc1$i0q@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> <1vs8ds$efg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <KEN.93Jun19162239@ieyasu.phys.titech.ac.jp> In article <KEN.93Jun19162239@ieyasu.phys.titech.ac.jp> ken@phys.titech.ac.jp writes: >>In article <1vs8ds$efg@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) writes: > >In article <ibhan.740377696@husc.harvard.edu> ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes: > >>Is there a way to use non-postscript (i.e. Ink jet) printers with NS/I? > > >It is no problem connecting a DeskJet printer to the parallel port > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >and print via djf_for_3.0. > >I think you mean the *serial port* ? No, I definetly mean the parallel port /dev/pp0 on NS/I. Just try... :-)) PS: It has to be the parallel port, because the serial drivers are broken. Regards, Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail root@marsu.tynet.sub.org / wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: Re: EISA vs. VESA Message-ID: <1993Jun21.082053.4878@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science References: <ibhan.740451257@husc.harvard.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 08:20:53 GMT I've read in some test (I've forgot which one :-( that with the same cards in the same machines but with different bus architectures: a) the local video card outperforms (2x) the EISA card b) the EISA harddisk controller card outperforms (2x) the local bus card This suggests (I can't comment on the outcome of the test) that you should buy an EISA backplane with local bus slots. Bart -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: dav@well.sf.ca.us (Paul Davilon) Subject: Intel NS software (where?) Message-ID: <C8yuE8.4A5@well.sf.ca.us> Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 09:58:55 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Intel NS software (where?) I have temporary access to an Epson NX machine running Nextstep 3.1, I will be getting a Dell Jaws DGX system soon, but anticipate that it will function the same way (except faster and bigger :) Reading the groups and looking at the ftp sites it looks like most software is still only for black hardware, what I would really like to know is where I can get copies of the NS programs Newsgrazer and SLIPCommander, that will work on the NS /FIP version. I would also like to get elm, tin, tcsh, kermit, zmodem and some regular unix-like program compiled on the system, will the current source codes out there right now compiled using "next" flags, compile the same way on Intel hardware? Any help is gratefully appreciated, if there is enough interest I will be happy to summarize. dav@well.sf.ca.us dav@phantom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: skwong@cuse1.se.cuhk.hk (Wong Sai Kee (Graduate Assistant)) Subject: Thanks to "Help! for my new NeXT" Message-ID: <1993Jun19.040052.2284@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> Sender: news@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 04:00:52 GMT Thanks to: Magnus Nordborg <magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU> wkwong@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Beth Katz <beth@raven.millersv.edu> Thomas Funke <thf@zelator.in-berlin.de> Peter Nitezki <nitezki@nidat.sub.org> Barry Beal <6unx200@riounx.rio.maricopa.edu> Bill Schell <bill@nextoy.sps.mot.com> Finally, the Jardine Office System (dealer in HK) had retrieved the NeXTstation on Jun 15,93 and will arrange to refund the deposite (US$1250) to me. I will buy a used NeXT from comp.sys.next.marketplace post. My budget will be US$5000 including shipping. My preference: (priority listed in descending order) 1) NeXT with mono i.e. the original MegaPixel 17" 4 gray level 2) turbo prefered 3) 32MBRAM prefered 4) 400MB HD prefered 5) ADB keyboard prefered I don't know whether it is good or not but I want to use ADB input device available for Mac e.g. the silhouette trackball, the Apple adjustable keyboard ... 6) NS3.0 or 3.1 7) Cube But I cannot take action now, I am waiting for the refund. Mr.WONG Sai Kee :-)
From: mauriti@cs.tu-berlin.de (Frank Hartlep) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Need some nice voice samples Date: 21 Jun 1993 13:36:29 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <204dgt$khj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I want to integrate some voice alerts in my project, but since my voice always sounds as I had a cold and the other people I tried have a too strong German accent, it would be nice if somebody from the US could send me sound files with his or her voice. What I need is the following: "got token!", "passed token!", "token condition is red!", "token condition is yellow!", "token condition is green!". Something like a clean, under- standable and more or less neutrally sounding speaker would be ideal. Don't miss this chance to get perpetuated in the most stunning software tool of the 90's :-) Frank
From: jbrierre@telenet.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Message-ID: <1852@telenet.telenet.com> Date: 21 Jun 93 14:00:03 GMT References: <1993Jun20.183306.781@prim> <1993Jun21.013320.18812@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@telenet.com Well, all things considered, why indeed would any vendor want their customers to know about nextstep? Sun certainly has no interest in this, considering feeble SunView/SunTools, not to mention the peculiar fate of Sun/3X architecture... SPARC is great hardware! no doubt. What GUI has Sun to offer? Todd calls X a "common dashboard" ( I may be wrong here, forgive me - can't back scroll back to the top ) ... but it is the *lowest* common denominator - like most commercial ware these days. Jacques Brierre - Sun by day -- NeXT by night - Alcatel Data Networks
From: jbrierre@telenet.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Word Processor, R-T-F would be nice Summary: RTF MAC->NeXT NO GO Message-ID: <1853@telenet.telenet.com> Date: 21 Jun 93 14:00:05 GMT References: <1993Jun16.194540.2517@afs.com> <1993Jun17.082344.4344@prim> Sender: news@telenet.com Followup-To: poster Tried to read a Mac RTF on the NeXT... HAHA! header and end jumbled, the body text was readable. quite a bit of re-editing was needed. Jacques Brierre Alcatel Data Networks rainbow!jbrierre@telenet.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Subject: Re: NS/Intel excitement Message-ID: <1993Jun21.093643.5484@marcon.ka.sub.org> Sender: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Organization: Marinos Consulting Services References: <jsaker.740598746@cwis> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 09:36:43 GMT In article <jsaker.740598746@cwis> jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu (James R. Saker Jr.) writes: \\ Incidently, has anyone successfully configured the Cirrus Logic 1MB \\ 1024x768 board into the NS/Intel environment? The Hardware Compat. \\ Guide lists a Cirrus Logic GD542X as being compatible in the 1024/768 \\ mode w/ 2-bit greyscale, but I'm getting nothing but a hashing screen \\ split into thirds (top/middle/bottom). Any success stories w/ the Cirrus? \\ . Jamie Saker jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu It seems that the Cirrus Logic Driver don't work correctly in some NoName boards. I had the same problem when testing various configurations. After a fresh install (no passwords defined yet) you are automatically logged in as the user me. The only thing I saw was the hashing screen. With a small trick it worked correctly. Press Command-q to quit Workspace and hit Return to confirm. Because there are not passwords you will be again loged in automatically as me. At the second login every thing is fine. But the Cirrus works only with 60 Hz. I replaced it with a cheap ET4000 card and everything worked without problems with 70 Hz at 2 bit-grayscale at 1024x768. -- Stathis Marinos | Phone : +49 721 37 71 78 Gartenstr. 2 | Fax : +49 721 37 71 79 76133 Karlsruhe (GERMANY) | E-Mail: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org -- NEXTSTEP Software and Consulting Services --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Word Processor, R-T-F would be nice Message-ID: <1993Jun21.155903.4113@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1853@telenet.telenet.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 15:59:03 GMT jbrierre@telenet.com writes > Tried to read a Mac RTF on the NeXT... HAHA! header and end > jumbled, the body text was readable. quite a bit of re-editing > was needed. Did you try the convertRTF app available on the archives? In my experience it does a good job of transforming mac rtf into NeXT rtf. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Announcement - Multimedia Center & Positions Date: 21 Jun 1993 17:26:52 GMT Organization: New York University Distribution: world Message-ID: <204r0s$4ks@calvin.NYU.EDU> The following notice announces the creation of a major university/industry initiative in the area of multimedia development, and preliminary information about staff positions. Since we expect to have very broad interactions with related media and technology industries this notice is being widely posted. ------------------------------------- New York University, with significant funding from the State of New York and a number of industrial partners, is currently creating The Center for Digital Multimedia Production, Publishing, and Education. While it is too early to post specific available position announcements, the intention is to quickly ramp up facilities and activities at the Center. *** Toward this end we are now inviting interested multimedia professionals to submit resumes and any other _non-returnable_ materials which best present their skills and experience. *** What is the goal of the NYU Center for Digital Multimedia Production, Publishing, and Education? The Center will play a significant role in assisting New York based media, content, and technology providers to succeed in "new media" markets. The Center will work with industry on projects to develop multimedia titles and technologies, including modules having an educational emphasis. It will also offer a multi-platform development laboratory, and a very extensive library of multimedia software titles and delivery platforms, to cooperating companies wishing to explore the technology before making a commitment. It will provide intensive tutorials for those in industry, as well as educational programs at the undergraduate and graduate levels. It will bring cooperating firms into contact with each other, with well-qualified students, with Federal agencies, and will also work with other educational institutions. What will NYU offer as a site for a multimedia center? NYU's location, departments, and industrial relationships are key assets. NYU has extensive ties to the New York City arts, film, television, and publishing worlds. The University's Computer Science Department, the Tisch School of the Arts (which includes programs in Interactive Telecommunications, Film, Television, and Animation), the Psychology Department, and the School of Education all offer strong multimedia related track records, and will contribute towards the eclectic mix of artistic, technical, pedagogical, design, and production skills needed for the Center to succeed. Current relationships with industry include research and license agreements with American Television and Communications, Apple Computer, DEC, IBM, Time/Warner's Manhattan Cable TV, and NYNEX. What kind of people will be needed? We are seeking talented highly motivated professionals with significant multimedia development, software development, or traditional media production experience at the senior, junior, or management levels. This core group of Center multimedia professionals will work with industry partners on development teams which will also include NYU faculty and students from both the technical and creative realms. These multimedia professionals will also design and maintain the Center's systems and facilities. As a prerequisite, those seeking consideration for future positions as professional staff at the Center should meet the following qualifications: 1. Fluency with the use of at least 2 types of desktop computer systems, at least one of which being the Apple Macintosh or PC Windows environment. 2. Fluency with several high level multimedia tools. Examples include Macromind Director, Adobe Photoshop, Authorware, Fractal Design Painter, Digidesign Sound Designer, etc. 3. Skills in at least one form of traditional art or medium such as design, sculpture, music, creative writing, film making, etc. 4. Very strong interpersonal skills and work ethic 5. A willingness to perform a mix of technical, instructional, creative, and facilities maintenance tasks 6. A portfolio of both creative and technical work (DO NOT SUBMIT YOUR PORTFOLIO AT THIS TIME) 7. 3 references 8. Industrial experience in commercial software or multimedia development or Industrial experience in traditional media production (video, pre-press, design, etc.) In addition, the following skills would be viewed as quite valuable, although not by any means essential: 1. Low level computer programming (c, assembler, GUI and multimedia API's) 2. System maintenance skills (file servers, unix sys. admin., network configuration) 3. Personnel or project management experience 4. Teaching experience 5. Unix experience 6. Technical and instructional writing experience What can I do at this time if I am interested and fit the prerequisites? As noted above, formal positions have not yet been fully defined, but we are at this time requesting those interested to submit resumes and other related _non-returnable_ materials to the following contact. PLEASE DO NOT CALL BY TELEPHONE OR SEND ANY MATERIALS THAT YOU WISH RETURNED. We expect to formally post positions in the near future. Future interviews and portfolio reviews will only be done after an initial resume review. We expect that the competition for these positions will be intense. Please send your resume to: Philip Galanter Coordinator, Arts and Media Technologies Academic Computing Facility New York University 251 Mercer New York NY, 10012 e-mail (ascii only please): galanter@nyu.edu fax: 212-995-4120
From: yslee@ux5.lbl.gov (yongsik lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: An reader letter to PCWeek mentioned NeXT Date: 21 Jun 1993 18:17:50 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory Message-ID: <204u0e$fds@overload.lbl.gov> References: <C8yuE8.4A5@well.sf.ca.us> In the PC Week (June 21, 1993), A letter from a reader (David Neuman) mentioned NeXT. The title of the letter is "It's time to recognize breakthroughs for what they are" and a quoatation is "Why does Next struggles while Microsoft soars? Gates knows what users want, Jobs knows what users need!" It is a short opinion letter, and not NeXT specific, but all points are well pointed. Yongsik yslee@ux5.lbl.gov
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: tmpnam() vs mktemp() for CVS under NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <16626@news.duke.edu> Date: 21 Jun 93 19:11:05 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc I have installed RCS 5.6.0.1 and CVS 1.3 on our system, consisting of 3.0 machines. I committed a small "sample" project to CVS and am able to checkout, checkin, etc. from it fine. I then committed a larger "real" project to it and am unable to check anything of it out--it seg faults right away, with no warnings or error messages, nothing in the console window. This is obviously unacceptable! I'm told there was a recent posting about replacing tmpnam() with mktemp(), because NeXT's tmpnam allows only up to 25 temporary filenmes and causes CVS to choke. Could someone please fill me in on the fix? Is this the cause of my problem? Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: ddh@mtu.edu (Dave Hale) Subject: NeXTCube For Sale Message-ID: <1993Jun21.174014.25898@mtu.edu> Summary: Stocked NeXT Computer for sale Keywords: NeXT Cube for sale Organization: Michigan Technological University Distribution: na Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 17:40:14 GMT System Configuration: NeXTCube w/68040 CPU NeXT Monochrome Monitor Old Style NeXT Keyboard 24 Megs Memory 670 Meg Hard Drive 2.88 Meg External PLI Floppy Drive Software: NeXTStep 3.0 installed on HD and on CD ROM Complete online documentation FrameMaker Mathematica Sybase Allegro Common Lisp (Not installed, but on floppies) McGill-X SLIP and PPP Both Taylor UUCP and the stock NeXT UUCP CNews/trn/tin/NewsGrazer Most of the software from the archives is also installed (I can install anything from the archives that you want before I ship out the system) Documentation (Bound manuals): NeXTStep Programming by Garfinkel & Mahoney Programming the Display PostScript System with NeXTstep The NeXT Book Mathematica - A System for Doing Mathematics by Computer NeXT Development Tools NeXT Operating System Software NeXT Network and System Administration NeXTStep Reference NeXT Users Reference NeXT Applications Price: $3500 You can contact me by emailing to ddh@orage.mi.org (Please CC to ddh@mtu.edu just to be on the safe side) Or by calling (616) 947-3427.
From: rob@polestar.facl.mcgill.ca (Robert Macfarlane) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Taylor UUCP on NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun21.212309.13873@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: 21 Jun 93 21:23:09 GMT Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Hi all, Is anybody using Taylor UUCP 1.04 on a 3.1 Intel system? It compiles OK on 3.0 black, but I'd like some sort of confirmation before I switch my machine from Linux to NS. Thanks, Rob Macfarlane
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Worldwide Educational Offers. Date: 21 Jun 1993 19:45:55 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <20535jINN9t@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <9317215.2637@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> In article <9317215.2637@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> writes: > Following a recent thread on NeXT Educational Offers... > > When *will* NeXT start offering the Educational Price bundle *worldwide*? > Here in the Netherlands they have a comparable educational offer. I.e. HFL495,- (=~295$) which makes it VERY interesting for a lot of people (including students). I'm expecting a lot of Dutch NS/FIP users soon! :-)) Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <205araINNaq@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Control: cancel <205araINNaq@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: 21 Jun 1993 22:12:28 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <205bocINNbr@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <205araINNaq@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Originator: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca <205araINNaq@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> was cancelled from within rn. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) Crasher of Automated Banking Machines
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Printing 2-up pages in "book order" Message-ID: <1993Jun21.204735.1020@afs.com> Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 20:47:35 GMT I have an RTF document that, when printed 2-up, is exactly the way I want it to look (type size, line width, etc. all correct). I would like to be able to print the document with the pages ordered in a certain way. Specifically: 1. Every other page prints. 2. If I turn the pages over and re-run them through the laser printer, the correct pages will print on the other side (see below). 3. Having done this, if I stack the pages so that the first page is on top, and I cut the stack in half (remember that the pages are printed 2-up) and place one stack on top of the other, the pages will be in correct book order (i.e. page one has page two on the back, page three has page four on the back, etc. and they're all in the right order). I know it's not good for the printer to print on both sides of the paper, and I don't intend to. I'm just saying that the pages should print correctly _as_if_ I were going to do that. I've looked at such utils as psnup and pslpr, and I don't think I can do it using them. Obviously I don't want to cut and paste the document into the correct order. Edit, WordPerfect, and WriteNow seem incapable of printing in the order I want. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanx, Michael -- Michael Pizolato gnihtyreve noitseuq michael_pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: garrett@renaissance.com Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <1993Jun21.171137.841@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> Sender: garrett@nugget.rmNUG.ORG (Garrett Rice) Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group References: <200qofINN7ge@network.ucsd.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 17:11:37 GMT : :Did you conveniently omit comp.os.os2.* from your list? : :What about comp.os.linux? : :comp.os.os2.misc alone probably has more traffic than all the :next groups put together. : :alann : :alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989 That's strange. Somebody connected to the internet told me that NeXT news groups have the highest use of any individual OS. Are there any hard facts for your claim?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: ynakamur@malibu.sfu.ca (Yasunobu Nakamura) Subject: Re: Printing 2-up pages in "book order" Message-ID: <ynakamur.740714358@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada References: <1993Jun21.204735.1020@afs.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 01:59:18 GMT Why is it bad for the printer when you print on the both sides of the paper? ->Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <ibhan.740717795@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 22 Jun 93 02:56:35 GMT References: <200qofINN7ge@network.ucsd.edu> <1993Jun21.171137.841@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> In <1993Jun21.171137.841@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> garrett@renaissance.com writes: >That's strange. Somebody connected to the internet told me that NeXT news >groups have the highest use of any individual OS. Are there any hard facts for >your claim? Definately not true. I read all the Mac groups and all the NeXT groups. Mac groups get more posts. NeXT groups discuss a better OS. :) (And this is from a Mac user). -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
From: pett@socrates.ucsf.edu (Eric Pettersen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Message-ID: <pett.740722457@cgl.ucsf.edu> Date: 22 Jun 93 04:14:17 GMT References: <m23vjuINNb6o@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun18.212911.1718@adobe.com> <m24nurINNclf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Sender: news@cgl.ucsf.edu (USENET News System) Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: >And NeXT *HAS* adopted strategies that resulted in failure. That's >the difference. People predict NeXT's failures and they come true. >People predict Sun's failures and they've been wrong. Gee, the words NeWS and OpenLook just popped into my head unbidden! Weird feeling. :-) Eric Pettersen pett@cgl.ucsf.edu
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How is Adobe Acrobat different from NeXTMail? Date: 22 Jun 1993 06:25:39 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <2068l3$av5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I have seen quite a bit lately about Adobe Acrobat. I don't know much about it, but it is supposed to be a multimedia file transfer mechanism. In short, it appears entire books, videos, sounds, folder, etc, can be transferred via email with Acrobat. This type of functionality sounds a lot like NeXTMail. And the price of Acrobat lists for over $800 for the entire package. At this price, users can buy NEXTSTEP with NeXTMail plus a whole lot more! I am sure Acrobat is more than a ripoff of NeXTMail, however. Can someone with a clue about this new product fill us (or me) in? Will Acrobat be compatible with NEXTSTEP? It seems like it is going to be the future of publishing, the way the trade magazines are talking about it. Eric
From: zryx0376@awssg6.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Taylor UUCP on NS/FIP Date: 22 Jun 1993 07:09:53 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <206b81$16iv@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <1993Jun21.212309.13873@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> In article <1993Jun21.212309.13873@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> poster writes: >Hi all, > >Is anybody using Taylor UUCP 1.04 on a 3.1 Intel system? It compiles OK on 3.0 >black, but I'd like some sort of confirmation before I switch my machine from >Linux to NS. Taylor 1.04 ran out of the box on my NS/I 3.1. The problem is that the serial drivers use to hang up my system completely, and there's no way out of this dilemma :-(( Regards, Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join!
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Date: 22 Jun 1993 09:44:54 GMT Organization: OSF RI Grenoble Distribution: world Message-ID: <206kam$2gm@paperboy.osf.org> References: <1993Jun20.183306.781@prim> <1993Jun21.013320.18812@cs.yale.edu> In article <1993Jun21.013320.18812@cs.yale.edu>, nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: |> In article <1993Jun20.183306.781@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) |> writes: |> > why "advocate" at all? You never see people passionately |> > advocating one make of washing machine over another, so what is it about an |> > operating system that sets your pulse racing? Shouldn't you be out chatting |> > up girls and playing baseball, or smoking dope and staging sit-ins or |> > something? |> |> I'd like to assume those comments were a tragic attempt at comedy, but |> just in case I'm wrong about that: get a clue and drop the blatant sexism |> and bigotry. There are plenty of both female and older NeXT advocates. Jeez, Nathan, lighten up alright ! If you follow Dave's postings you would realise that the above is fairly light hearted, but lets also face facts. The majority of contributors to this group are male, and Dave's right. Reading advocacy is worse than a bad case of the Mormons on your doorstep. Dave's one of the few people who actually seems to be thinking about NeXTSTEP and where is should be going, so stop beating up on the guy !!! David.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Conversion: .jpg to .tiff in 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jun22.062512.7289@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp, 4410 Pt Robinson, Vashon, WA 98070 206/463-9399 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 06:25:12 GMT I just installed 3.1 (black) and discovered that I can no longer use ImageViewer 0.9e to convert .jpg image files to .tiff files. The SaveAs panel no longer allows selection of tiff, reverting (from any setting, actually) to jpeg. What other tool is available to do this conversion? Thanks! -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info. packet free. Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: About the third-party CD-ROM ( EVALUATION version ) Message-ID: <1993Jun22.110702.6043@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 11:07:02 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.sys.next.hardware ] [ Author was *** Mark Lin *** ] [ Posted on Tue, 22 Jun 1993 11:06:06 GMT ] Hi, there: I just received my NS/I EVALUATION version ... I saw there is a third-party products menu and a CD-ROM, since I had not got my machine on hand, so I can not install it in a few days. I want to ask about which products are in the CD-ROM? The menu contains all over the products, but says " call for intel " or " intel june 93 " .... Are there available in the CD-ROM? Can they use in Intel-based machine? Since I was told that the product should be availabe in the few months later, but not now ... ( e.g: mathematic ..) Thanks for you help - Mark - - - - - - - - - - - - Email address: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw ( Not NeXTmail, please )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: c559165@monad.missouri.edu (H. Paul Hammann) Subject: aging mail in the mail spool Message-ID: <1993Jun22.045126.23133@mont.cs.missouri.edu> Keywords: mail aging Sender: news@mont.cs.missouri.edu Organization: University of Missouri Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 04:51:26 GMT Hello, I have a question regarding aging mail in the mail spool. As in how do you do it? I understand how to age files in the print spool, that's easy, they are all seperate files, but a users mail is all kept in usr/spool/mail/user_id. I am on a NeXT machine running NeXTStep 2.1 If anyone could point me in the right direction, or if someone has some scripts that they could send me I would be most appreciative. I am sorry if this is a FAQ. Please send any mail to c559165@monad.missouri.edu. Thanks to anyone who replies. Sincerely, H. Paul Hammann c559165@monad.missouri.edu
From: robin@pencom.com (Robin D. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep PowerPC Message-ID: <1993Jun21.205154.19073@pencom.com> Date: 21 Jun 93 20:51:54 GMT References: <1vqd24$n7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Distribution: na Organization: Pencom Software In article <1vqd24$n7@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: > Another thought is that if they have done a Power PC port why haven't they > released it for the RS 6000 range of machines. This would seem a sensible move Because the RS/6000 is based on the IBM Power RISC (RIOS) chipset not the PowerPC. The PowerPC chipset is a modified version of the RIOS. The PowerPC 601 type machines should start becoming available later this year. Several makers have demo'd their variants. -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |They didn't even know I could talk, much less have opinions (yeah right!) | |USNail: 701 Canyon Bend Dr. Internet: robin@pencom.com | | Pflugerville, TX 78660 | | Home: (512)251-1737 Work: (512)795-2000 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos) Subject: Re: Intel NS software (where?) Message-ID: <206tea$38c@wa3ymh.transsys.com> Sender: usenet@grebyn.com Organization: TransSys, Inc. References: <C8yuE8.4A5@well.sf.ca.us> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 12:20:26 GMT In article <C8yuE8.4A5@well.sf.ca.us> dav@well.sf.ca.us (Paul Davilon) writes: >Newsgrazer and SLIPCommander, that will work on the NS /FIP version. While there easily could be a SLIPCommander in an Intel version, there is currently no corresponding version of TransSys DialUp IP software ported to the Intel platform. I am working on an Intel (and, of course, Motorola) solution to the SLIP problem, and it is in *early* beta testing. Another problem with SLIP in general on Intel is the reported non-robust serial device drivers that hang the system. I have not done extensive testing myself, so I can't comment on how serious a problem that might be. >I would also like to get elm, tin, tcsh, kermit, zmodem and some regular >unix-like program compiled on the system, will the current source codes >out there right now compiled using "next" flags, compile the same way on >Intel hardware? If you don't have loadable kernel drivers that touch a bunch of stuff, all you need, in most cases, to do is type "make". -- Louis A. Mamakos TransSys, Inc.
From: cooper%midkemia@plains.nodak.edu (Jeff Cooper) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: User Docs on 3.0 CD Message-ID: <1993Jun22.130904.6774@plains.nodak.edu!midkemia> Date: 22 Jun 93 13:09:04 GMT Sender: cooper@plains.nodak.edu!midkemia Organization: North Dakota State University I have just upgraded to 3.0 and was wondering where the User Documention is...I noticed when I start Digital Librian I get a box saying: Cannot find target: /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextUser I check the CD and it's not on there either (I've installed the English, Documentation and Developers packages) and it wasn't in any of them. If anyone could give me some help with this, I'd really appericiate it. Thanks! -- "Life IS pain Highness, anyone | Jeff Cooper 701-298-0893 who tells you different is | NeXTMail: cooper%midkemia@plains.nodak.edu selling something." | USnail: 3013 10th St N, Apt 302 -The Dread Pirate Roberts | Fargo, ND 58102
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: How is Adobe Acrobat different from NeXTMail? Date: 22 Jun 1993 14:54:07 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <2076egINNkcd@golden.kaleida.com> References: <2068l3$av5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <2068l3$av5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > I am sure Acrobat is more than a ripoff of NeXTMail, however. Can someone > with a clue about this new product fill us (or me) in? Will Acrobat be > compatible with NEXTSTEP? It seems like it is going to be the future > of publishing, the way the trade magazines are talking about it. Acrobat defines a new format called "Portable Document Format", or PDF. PDF files can be moved from platform to platform and will retain their original look with regards to text layout, graphics, hyperlinks, annotations, etc. PDF is inherently "read-only" meaning that once a document has been converted to PDF, the contents of the document can not be changed. Annotations and hyperlinks can be added but you can't change the text or graphics. PDF files can be generated from native applications (like Word or PageMaker) using a print driver that saves a file in PDF format. You can also "distill" PostScript files into PDF format using Acrobat Distiller. For things that include EPS images or 32-bit color, you must distill them, I've never quite understood why. Acrobat itself is not directly tied to any sort of e-mail solution. I think what the original poster means is that once you have a PDF file, you could e-mail it to another user who could then open it with Acrobat Viewer and will see the exact document. It is not a mechanism for transfering files, or sending e-mail in any way! In this light, it can not be compared with NeXTMail. PDF itself just defines the format of the document (which is publicly available). So, the more interesting point is that NeXTMail could be enhanced to support PDF files. This way, suppose a Macintosh user enclosed a PDF file in an e-mail to a NeXT receipient. When the mail reached NeXTMail, instead of the user having to open Acrobat Viewer on the NeXT to view the document, the document would just be rendered in the NeXTMail window. That's what I'd like to see. Similar solutions could be done on other platforms, it would just be easier to do it on the NeXT thanks to Display PostScript which would handle the rendering. Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Conversion: .jpg to .tiff in 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jun22.152502.3551@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jun22.062512.7289@Happy-Man.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 93 15:25:02 GMT Irving_Wolfe writes > I just installed 3.1 (black) and discovered that I can no longer > use ImageViewer 0.9e to convert .jpg image files to .tiff files. > The SaveAs panel no longer allows selection of tiff, reverting > (from any setting, actually) to jpeg. > > What other tool is available to do this conversion? Does ImageViewer 0.9i (the latest version) have the same problem under 3.1? (BTW, I understand 0.9i is fat). -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Printing on both sides of a page (was Re: Printing 2-up pages in "book order") Message-ID: <1993Jun22.143801.463@afs.com> Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com References: <ynakamur.740714358@sfu.ca> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 14:38:01 GMT Yasunobu Nakamura writes >Why is it bad for the printer when you print on the both sides of >the paper? I'm not a printer guru, but I think it has something to do with toner flaking off the page and gumming up the works. Michael -- Michael Pizolato gnihtyreve noitseuq michael_pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail appreciated
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: How is Adobe Acrobat different from NeXTMail? Message-ID: <1993Jun22.143839.712@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <2068l3$av5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 14:38:39 GMT In article <2068l3$av5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: | I have seen quite a bit lately about Adobe Acrobat. I don't know much about | it, but it is supposed to be a multimedia file transfer mechanism. In short, | it appears entire books, videos, sounds, folder, etc, can be transferred | via email with Acrobat. This type of functionality sounds a lot like | NeXTMail. And the price of Acrobat lists for over $800 for the entire | package. At this price, users can buy NEXTSTEP with NeXTMail plus a whole | lot more! | | I am sure Acrobat is more than a ripoff of NeXTMail, however. Can someone | with a clue about this new product fill us (or me) in? Will Acrobat be | compatible with NEXTSTEP? It seems like it is going to be the future | of publishing, the way the trade magazines are talking about it. | | Eric | This may come as a shock to you, Eric, but Quickmail does attachemnts, also. It takes the attachments, binhex's them to get them in a mailable state, and mails them with the message. When you get the message it shows a little icon representing the enclosed document. NeXT does not have a monopoly on multimedia mail. -- Jonathan W. Hendry <jon@afs.com> It's a hundred classes, give or take a few, I'll be writing more in a week or two. I can make it deeper if you like the style, I can change it round and I want to be a ObjectWare writer, ObjectWare writer!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Baseline? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 18:47:19 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun21.184719.456@qb.rhein-main.de> References: <ibhan.740509276@husc.harvard.edu> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) In article <ibhan.740509276@husc.harvard.edu> writes: > I see a lot of talk about the text object not supporting the "baseline". > Could someone please tell me (please post to the net, not e-mail - I don't > want to get flooded) what the hell the baseline is? So you want to flood the net instead, redirecting the answer to your personal question to a million systems worldwide? Please think before posting. (I could have e-mailed this to him, but his attitude is pretty common to this group, so this post might enlighten some more people) -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: enterprise!root (Operator) Subject: NeXT color printer - what kind of paper/cartridges Message-ID: <1993Jun22.153904.4618@its.com> Sender: root@its.com (Operator) Organization: Information Technology Solutions Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 15:39:04 GMT Greetings, What kind of paper and ink does the NeXT color printer use? The manual that comes with it just says "see your NeXT dealer". Are there other sources for these supplies? (Is the paper just common ordinary RC paper? What about the ink cartridges?) Many thanks in advance for you help, Ian Gibbs ian@its.com Information Technology Solutions
From: npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline? Date: 22 Jun 1993 19:15:13 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <207lo1$7vu@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <1993Jun21.184719.456@qb.rhein-main.de> In article 456@qb.rhein-main.de, vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: > In article <ibhan.740509276@husc.harvard.edu> writes: > > I see a lot of talk about the text object not supporting the "baseline". > > Could someone please tell me (please post to the net, not e-mail - I don't > > want to get flooded) what the hell the baseline is? > > So you want to flood the net instead, redirecting the answer to your > personal question to a million systems worldwide? > Please think before posting. > > (I could have e-mailed this to him, but his attitude is pretty > common to this group, so this post might enlighten some more people) > > -- > Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) > > Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any > given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. > See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType I have four questions (and no answers): 1. If somebody posts a question to the net, and it can be readily seen that some thoughtful person politely and thoroughly answered the question by responding on the net, what is the likelihood that 50 more people will also answer the same question with the same answer, also on the net? 2. Now, if somebody responded to a question via an emailed answer (instead of posting the response on the net), what is the likelihood that 50 more people might also respond with the same answer? 3. Also, if somebody asks an honest question, what is the likelihood that more people than the original poster also have the same question? 4. Now, what the hell is the baseline, anyway (to paraphrase the original poster)? Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline? Message-ID: <ibhan.740781699@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@scws4.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 22 Jun 93 20:41:39 GMT References: <ibhan.740509276@husc.harvard.edu> <1993Jun21.184719.456@qb.rhein-main.de> In <1993Jun21.184719.456@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: >So you want to flood the net instead, redirecting the answer to your >personal question to a million systems worldwide? >Please think before posting. No, clueless...the idea is one person posts a reply. Then everyone else can see it so they don't need to post any more. -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
From: "Douglas F. DeJulio" <ddj+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/FIP questions. Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 20:34:00 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <wg9uHsK00YUnQoKFck@andrew.cmu.edu> I just sold my NeXTstation so I could afford to upgrade my PC to the point where it'll run NeXTstep a fourth as well as the machine I sold. So, now I have to buy some hardware for the PC, and it has to work under NS/FIP and I need to be able to afford it. So, some questions. (And if you're wondering why I made this insane move -- now I'll only be sinking money into maintaining one machine, not two as I have been doing for the past several months.) What exactly is the situation WRT video? I've got a 1meg Trident SVGA card right now, and a monitor with which under DOS I can get 1024x768 in 256 colors. Now, I know I'll be limited to monochrome under NS/FIP. Will I also be limited to 640x480? If I buy a better video card, that will work up to 1024x768 in umpteen zillion colors, can I configure the software so that it doesn't go to a resolution higher than about 800x600? Y'see, my monitor is 14", and my eyes are still good and I want to keep them that way... I'd also like advice from folks who have NS/FIP on the sound cards and drive controllers they're using. Also I'd like advice on trade-offs between motherboard and RAM. If I get a 486DX2-66 EISA/localbus motherboard with 16M RAM, how would that compare to a 486DX-33 ISA with 32M as far as performance? Also, incedentally, does NS/FIP do anything with the third button on 3-button mice? Thanks for your help, Doug DeJulio ddj+@cmu.edu The once and future NeXTstep user.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: NeXT color printer - what kind of paper/cartridges Message-ID: <1993Jun23.005843.16505@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jun22.153904.4618@its.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 00:58:43 GMT In article <1993Jun22.153904.4618@its.com> enterprise!root (Operator) writes: > Greetings, > > What kind of paper and ink does the NeXT color printer use? The manual > that comes with it just says "see your NeXT dealer". Are there other > sources for these supplies? (Is the paper just common ordinary RC paper? > What about the ink cartridges?) The paper is claydust-coated paper, and is sold for inkjet printers in many PC supply stores. The ink cartridges are available from NeXTConnection. -- Nathan Janette Systems Manager, Axel T. Brunger Lab Internet: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Voice: 203 432 5065 Fax: 203 432 3923
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Message-ID: <1993Jun23.010457.16590@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <206kam$2gm@paperboy.osf.org> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 01:04:57 GMT In article <206kam$2gm@paperboy.osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes: > In article <1993Jun21.013320.18812@cs.yale.edu>, nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > |> In article <1993Jun20.183306.781@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) > |> writes: > > |> > why "advocate" at all? You never see people passionately > |> > advocating one make of washing machine over another, so what is it about an > |> > operating system that sets your pulse racing? Shouldn't you be out chatting > |> > up girls and playing baseball, or smoking dope and staging sit-ins or > |> > something? > |> > |> I'd like to assume those comments were a tragic attempt at comedy, but > |> just in case I'm wrong about that: get a clue and drop the blatant sexism > |> and bigotry. There are plenty of both female and older NeXT advocates. > > Jeez, Nathan, lighten up alright ! If you follow Dave's postings you would > realise that the above is fairly light hearted, but lets also face facts. The > majority of contributors to this group are male, and Dave's right. Reading > advocacy is worse than a bad case of the Mormons on your doorstep. Dave's > one of the few people who actually seems to be thinking about NeXTSTEP and > where is should be going, so stop beating up on the guy !!! You can take your "facts", and your opinions and smoke them with your dope, as David suggests, if it makes you feel better. The Usenet in general suffers from as gross majority of male posters, so the next groups are no worse than the "norm". Besides, my point remains: I know plenty of female and older NeXT advocates. Do you think they all have to read or post to count? I don't. Nice comment about Mormons. Is that a joke too? Ho ho ho. -- Nathan Janette Systems Manager, Axel T. Brunger Lab Internet: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Voice: 203 432 5065 Fax: 203 432 3923
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline? Message-ID: <1246@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 23 Jun 93 01:31:09 GMT References: <207lo1$7vu@cnn.sim.es.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Nevin Pratt writes > 1. If somebody posts a question to the net, and it can be readily seen that > some thoughtful person politely and thoroughly answered the question by > responding on the net, what is the likelihood that 50 more people will also > answer the same question with the same answer, also on the net? If only two others follow it up, and that message is propagated throughout the net, I would wager that 1,000 times more bandwidth is consumed than if two others follow up through Email. > 2. Now, if somebody responded to a question via an emailed answer (instead of > posting the response on the net), what is the likelihood that 50 more people > might also respond with the same answer? I'd say that the likelihood is less, since people get less attention by responding through Email, and about 50% of the reason that people post to the net (especially when they "know the answer") is to get attention. Of course, this doesn't apply to me :-) :-) > 3. Also, if somebody asks an honest question, what is the likelihood that > more people than the original poster also have the same question? Reasonably high, I believe, although it depends on the timing. Very few people follow every group continuously, so there are a lot of questions that get repeated, and each time there are several people who are wondering about it too. I think that posting answers to questions is reasonable as long as the question reasonably might have several people interested (since it at least heads off the "I'd like to know the answer too" postings). However, there are many others (such as a recent question about why someone's login appeared to be "root" from the "whoami" command) that are better solved off-line through Email. > 4. Now, what the hell is the baseline, anyway (to paraphrase the original > poster)? "the baseline" is a PostScript comment (%%Baseline:) that has been invented recently to be added to the EPS (Encapsulated PostScript) specification. It is intended to provide "baseline shift" information for applications that include EPS graphics in-line with text. Its primary motivation was to be able to set an equation in-line and have it appear correctly. Currently EquationBuilder generates files using this comment, and PasteUp 2.0 positions in-line graphics paying attention to it. The discussion has been about other applications beyond PasteUp (and NeXT's Text object) providing support for this comment when importing in-line EPS graphics. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline? Message-ID: <ibhan.740803204@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 23 Jun 93 02:40:04 GMT References: <207lo1$7vu@cnn.sim.es.com> <1246@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> In <1246@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: >If only two others follow it up, and that message is propagated throughout >the net, I would wager that 1,000 times more bandwidth is consumed than >if two others follow up through Email. But I don't think the bandwidth is an issue for this type of thing...how much bandwidth does an explaination of the baseline take up? Or even 50 of them? It's more human effort...from both my part and their part. I requested that the response be posted to the newsgroup so: 1) I wouldn't have my mailbox flooded with redundant information 2) Once my question has been answered, more people won't waste their time responding. 3) Others who didn't know what the baseline was would be enlightened. Satisfied? -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com (Michael Pizolato) Subject: Re: Printing 2-up pages in "book order" Message-ID: <1993Jun23.194602.2345@afs.com> Sender: Michael_Pizolato@afs.com References: <1993Jun21.204735.1020@afs.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 19:46:02 GMT Michael Pizolato writes >I have an RTF document that, when printed 2-up, is exactly the >way I want it to look (type size, line width, etc. all correct). >I would like to be able to print the document with the pages >ordered in a certain way. [munched description of book order >printing] Oh, how I do love the net! I sent out that request the day before yesterday, and today I have the solution, and the solution is perfect. Thanks to the following people for their help: H. Paul Hammann, Alex Blakemore, Brian Katzung, and Nigel Metheringham (hope I didn't leave anyone out). The utilities that make up psutils (both available on the archives - thanks to those who NeXTMailed them to me because I can't ftp), allow the following, which does exactly what I want: psbook -q -snn <foo.ps | psnup -n2 | psselect -o -q -p1- \ >foo.odd.ps [print foo.odd.ps and put pages back in the printer's feeder tray, upside-down] psbook -q -snn <foo.ps | psnup -n2 | psselect -e -r -q -p1- \ >foo.even.ps [print foo.even.ps] "nn" is the number of pages in the postscript file, foo.ps. I don't recommend this, however, because printing on both sides of the page in this manner will gum up the guts of your printer. However, this also works: psbook -q -snn <foo.ps | psnup -n2 | psselect -o -q -p1- \ >foo.odd.ps psbook -q -snn <foo.ps | psnup -n2 | psselect -e -r -q -p1- \ >foo.even.ps [print both sets of pages] [place the pages from foo.odd.ps upside down in your copier's feeder tray] [copy the pages from foo.even.ps] You may find other ways that also work, and I don't guarantee that either of the above is absolutely correct. Obviously the commands can be made into a script. Also, BE SURE that you are orienting the pages correctly in your printer (Bad boy! Stop implying that they should double-print their pages!) or copier. The only other gotcha is that the psnup I had to use (in both examples) is the one that ships with NEXTSTEP. For some reason, the one that comes with psutils prints a _mirror_image_ of the text. It actually appears on the screen backwards. Anyway, after the printing and/or copying, cut the resultant stack in half, place one half over the other and hey presto! you have a nice, paperback-sized book. I also got a copy of quarto which, while a cool utility, overlaps quite a bit with psselect and in the end turned out to be unnecessary for my purposes. The most amazing thing to me is that I asked for help, got it, and verified the solution in less than 48 hours elapsed and less than 1 (yes, one) hour user time, and without using a single sheet of pressed tree pulp, thanks to NEXTSTEP, the Internet and its community, and Ben Franklin (for discovering electricity ;-). With a live net connection it could only have been quicker. Too cool for words! Michael -- Michael Pizolato gnihtyreve noitseuq michael_pizolato@afs.com NeXTMail appreciated
From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Date: 23 Jun 1993 22:26:43 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Message-ID: <20alb3INNkc@network.ucsd.edu> References: <200qofINN7ge@network.ucsd.edu> <1993Jun21.171137.841@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> In article <1993Jun21.171137.841@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> garrett@renaissance.com writes: > >: >:Did you conveniently omit comp.os.os2.* from your list? >: >:What about comp.os.linux? >: >:comp.os.os2.misc alone probably has more traffic than all the >:next groups put together. >: >:alann >: >:alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989 > > >That's strange. Somebody connected to the internet told me that NeXT news >groups have the highest use of any individual OS. Are there any hard facts >for your claim? NO, No hard facts -- I just happen to try to read both everyday. Try reading both comp.os.os2.misc and comp.sys.next.misc for a week and I'm sure it will become obvious which group has the highest use. Also, don't forget that OS/2 has 13 newsgroups (last time I counted) and Next has 6 or 7 maybe 8. Again, only from my experience -- comp.os.linux has even heigher use, but until they add the new groups, it is not such a fair comparison. alann alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989
Message-ID: <cn$@byu.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 93 16:29:25 MDT From: pmarc@wyoming.et.byu.edu (Paul M. Cardon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Distribution: world References: <C93DF1.21r@news.otago.ac.nz> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: next NeXTWorld Expo dates In article <C93DF1.21r@news.otago.ac.nz>, gideon@otago.ac.nz (Gideon King) write s: >This may be a bit premature, but has there been any indication as to date >and location of the next NeXTWorld expo? Is it always held in May? Any >info most welcome. Somebody can help me with exact dates, but I think I remember the banner above the show-floor exit at EXPO saying somewhere around June 20th. Paul Cardon
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Purchasing Educational Version of NEXTSTEP in Germany Date: 23 Jun 1993 23:06:35 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <20anlr$b54@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I found this on comp.soft-sys.nextstep. It seems important enough to distribute due to the large amount of international interest surrounding NEXTSTEP. -Eric --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sn@plato.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de (sn) Subject: NextStep Education in Germany Date: 23 Jun 1993 10:43:23 GMT Organization: Universitaet Dortmund, CT, Germany Here's the info on how to get the NextStep Educational package in Germany. Thanks for all those who replied. The official distributor for this deal is d'ART Computer Fleethoern 23 2300 Kiel 1 Germany Their email address is dartki@dart.de (Thanks Andreas Koenig) I mailed them and got this in response: (in german, since it's only interesting for germans, not?) From: <bettina@dart.de> Reply-To: bettina_herrmann@dart.de [...] es ist richtig, dass ausschliesslich d'ART NEXTSTEP vertreibt. Die Hochschulversion kostet 498,00 (inkl. MwSt) und beinhaltet die User und Developer-Version, allerdings ohne die Developer-Handbuecher. Diese sind in jeder Buchhandlung zu beziehen. Fuer die Auslieferung der Hochschulversion von NEXTSTEP benoetigen wir eine Bestellung, in der bescheinigt wird, dass die Software nicht weitervertrieben wird und eine Studienbescheinigung. [...] :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I hope this helps interested customers over here. Btw, it says the educational offer does not include the developer handbooks. You have to buy them at the bookstore. Has anyone seen them? How much are they? -Sven Neuhaus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clr@next_c.pai.com (Charles Robinson) Subject: Re: NeXTStep Programming books Message-ID: <1993Jun23.223930.11445@nntpxfer.psi.com> Sender: news@nntpxfer.psi.com Organization: Performance Systems Int'l References: <1993Jun23.142715.11428@dcc.uchile.cl> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 22:39:30 GMT In article <1993Jun23.142715.11428@dcc.uchile.cl> cbliek@dcc.uchile.cl (Christian Bliek) writes: > From what I heard on the net there are two introductory NeXTStep > Programming books: > > 1) NeXTStep Programming - Step One: Object Oriented Applications > by Simson L. Garfinkel & Machael K. Mahoney > > 2) NeXTStep Programming: Concepts and Applications > by Alex Duong Nghiem > > Based on the titles it's kind of hard to decide which one to get! > Anyone care to comment? > > Christian Bliek. (cbliek@dcc.uchile.cl) I have both and much prefer the Garfinkel & Mahoney text.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Gateway problems Message-ID: <1993Jun23.223536.2541@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 22:35:36 GMT I am having problems with loading NS on a GateWay 200 486DX266. It seems that once I have it installed and start going to the configure panel I no longer have control of my mouse. I also do not have control of my keyboard either. Anyone know anything about this? -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) Subject: NeXT and modem as answering machine Message-ID: <1993Jun24.005312.21458@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 00:53:12 GMT Do you know of any NeXT software that implements a telephone answering machine? -- Brad Pierce -- 23/June/1993
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStep in "Computer Shopper" Message-ID: <ibhan.740889010@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 24 Jun 93 02:30:10 GMT There is an article about NeXTStep in Computer Shopper (July issue) that's fairly positive. It's not really a review, but more a look at what NeXTStep is, especially concerning the ease of programming in it. This is the first of a two-parter. -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au (Paul Blackman) Subject: NeXT interface pics PLEASE! Message-ID: <1993Jun24.040909.10245@csc.canberra.edu.au> Sender: news@csc.canberra.edu.au Organization: University of Canberra Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 04:09:09 GMT Could someone *PLEASE* send me some bmps/gifs/tiffs whatever of the NeXTStep interface. I want to get an idea of what it's like. And some magazine titles/date & issue numbers with NeXT articles would be great! Thanks, Paul Blackman (pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Icon needed! Message-ID: <1993Jun24.040721.2880@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 04:07:21 GMT Well be putting a freeware Fat Binary utility called MetroSuction (a nifty front-end to lipo) on the FTP sites later this week. It's a full-scale commercial-grade app that we just aren't charging money for. We think you'll really like it. The one thing we're missing though is a cool application icon for it. Anybody interested? We'll put your name in the credits of course! Let us know if you're interested in helping us out, as we'd like to sumit the app to the archives soon. Thanks! Gordon and Mary -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.soft-sys.nextstep,aus.computers From: Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Re: Worldwide Educational Offers. Message-ID: <9317517.6418@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia References: <leigh.740903017@cuscus> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 07:59:04 GMT In article <leigh.740903017@cuscus> leigh@cs.uwa.oz.au (Leigh SMITH) writes: > I faxed NACSCORP about ordering NS/FIP Academic Bundle and their reply was > that they 'are unable to distribute in Australia'. I've faxed NeXT, but > needless to say, I've had no answer after over a week. So, if any NeXT staff > are reading this, at least have the decency to answer your faxes. I too remain > hopeful that the academic bundle will be made available in Australia. > Otherwise, the 'NeXT' move may be to have friendly foreign students buy it and > sell it to us Aussie students (I can supply proof of my enrolment). > > So hear us NeXT! Please don't ignore us! We're waiting to give you some > money! > -- > Leigh Smith Home: leigh@psychok.dialix.oz.au, +61-9-450-2014 > Dept of Computer Science Fax: +61-9-380-1126 > University of Western Australia: leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au, +61-9-380-1947 > *---=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=---* It is a pity about NACSCORP unable to supply direct to Leigh here in Australia. I asked my bookroom, they new of NACSCORP and they often order other educational offer software, from various places. The bookroom (Melbourne University Bookroom) would take down the details (ISBN#, NACSCORP, NeXTSTEP FIP Edu Package) and order it....or at least try to. In my eyes there would have to be good reason for NACSCORP not to sell it to an university bookstore. The bookstore could send my student number and current enrollment record, surely. I received a call today from someone in Sydney who had just written a review (I had the idea it was published somewhere, but I don't follow all the mags) of OS 2.1. He was asking a lot of very specific questions, about the availability of NeXTSTEP here in Australia, the Educational Offer, the Trial Pack that is available. His outlook was information gathering I am sure, but if/when he writes an article on NeXTSTEP here in Australia, I would like to be able to tell him good news. On a similar note, wouldn't it be a good idea if Mathematica was offered with NeXTSTEP (EDU) for a modest fee? Mathematica under NeXTSTEP is much more stable than under Windows. If you would like to know any further developments about Educational Offers in Australia, please drop me a quick reply note and I will let people know as soon as I know anything concrete. Aris. -- name: aris theocharides. address: room mg14, maths dept, melb uni, parkville, vic, australia, 3052. phone [+613] uni: 344.74.16, home: 489.90.14, fax: 344.45.99 e.mail: aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: NEC CD-ROM woes... Message-ID: <1993Jun24.060644.1275@microsoft.com> Date: 24 Jun 93 06:06:44 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corporation I have attempted to install NEXTSTEP/FIP on a DELL 486D/50, 32Mb RAM, and WD/Paradise SVGA adapter. I also have a NEC MultiSpin CDROM drive attached via a Trantor T130b SCSI card. I am able to boot to the floppy disk, however after scrolling through a few messages (regarding keyboard/mouse/etc) I get the message: No CD-ROM drive found use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d root device? However, I am able to read this CDROM from DOS, Win31, and WinNT. In a feeble attempt to troubleshoot, I pulled out the net card (a DEC Etherworks Turbo/TP) and my MS inport mouse card (I know that device isn't supported, so I used a serial mouse), but this was to no avail. Has anyone successfully installed NS/FIP with a similar configuration? Thanks in advance for any suggestions, -Jeff jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: xgopher 1.3 and sound playing Message-ID: <scott.740914871@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Keywords: how Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 09:41:11 GMT I got xgopher 1.3 to compile yesterday without any problems, but when i tried to get it to play sounds, (by putting sndplay in the .Xdefaults for the correct resource) I get an error that sndplay doesn't have a filename to play... How could I get sndplay to do the trick, or should I be using something else? Xmosaic won't work with the Cub'X server in less than pseudo colour emulation mode (which is a too slow) so I'm resorting to using xgopher for the time being.... Thanks, scott -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Did you know that the computer invented itself?" - SNL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: What's your favorite console error message? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 02:44:55 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Jun23.024455.16351@tkymail.sps.mot.com> This is a fun one I got last night on a massive SQL crunch (SYBASE running--and subsequently crashing--on a local slab): <4> tty 1026: cooked input overrun Repeat 4,000 times like my machine did and it starts to sound good, right? --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]nd it starts to sound good, right?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: thompson@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: How to get Icon for .gz or .tar.gz files (for Opener)? Message-ID: <thompsonC9251I.L15@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 04:41:41 GMT I want to be able to double-click .gz and .tar.gz files and have them to go Opener. Right now they have an Edit icon and go to Edit. I have edited the Opener table to include .tar.gz and .gz, and I can drag files to Opener to have it open them correctly, but I would like them th have an icon and be able to double-click them. Any pointers? Thank you... Eric
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc From: pauldas@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Paul da Silveira) Subject: Re: Worldwide Educational Offers. Message-ID: <1993Jun23.043706.21730@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> Keywords: NeXT, Education Sender: news@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Usenet system) Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. References: <9317215.2637@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <1993Jun23.042250.20592@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 04:37:06 GMT Hello, I am one of the people who replied to Aris supporting his push for NS to be sold Commercially & Academically here in Australia. My preference is for the Academic Bundle and if the price was around AUD$500, then I'm sure that both individual students and Object Oriented course developers would jump at the opportunity. There are many people here in Australia who have followed the fortunes and misfortunes of NeXT by either being in contact with Black HW owners who "smuggled" their machines into the country and/or through the net newsgroups. Please (NeXT) do not let missing out on the Australian market (educational at least) be another unfavourable marketing decision by NeXT. I'm sure staff from NeXT are reading. Yours in anticipation, and thank-you for your time. -- Paul da Silveira Monash University -- Caulfield Campus pauldas@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Melbourne -- Australia #include <std.disclaimer> Any opinions expressed above are my own and not that of the Monash University
From: kehoe@fortuity.sf.ca.us (Daniel Miles Kehoe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: contents of NEXTSTEP Buyers' Guide Date: 23 Jun 1993 06:57:21 GMT Organization: CERFnet Message-ID: <208ush$6u2@news.cerf.net> Keywords: book next nextstep guide info We've had quite a bit of interest in the book, with many inquirers asking to see the table of contents, so here it is. For info about how to get it, email info@albion.com or call +1 415 752 7666. FROM: Albion Books 4547 California St. San Francisco, CA 94118 +1 415 752 7666 +1 415 752 5417 fax info@albion.com ___________________________________________________________ Taking the Next Step: The Buyers' Guide to NEXTSTEP Computing Seth Ross and Daniel Miles Kehoe $29.95 / 11" X 11" / 164 pages Edition 2.0 / ISBN 0-9637025-0-5 TABLE OF CONTENTS Preface to Edition 2.0 5 Part One: What Is NEXTSTEP? Welcome to the Revolution 9 Into the Next World 10 NeXT Inc.: Corporate Visions 12 The Faces of NEXTSTEP 15 Ten Minutes over NEXTSTEP: a Blitzkrieg Tour 20 Part Two: The NEXTSTEP Advantage The NEXTSTEP User Interface 29 UNIX: Power Under the Hood 33 DOS, Windows, and Macintosh Compatibility 37 NEXTSTEP Networking 39 Plugging Into the Planet 45 Client-server Computing 49 Custom Applications 53 Part Three: NEXTSTEP Hardware White Hardware 59 Black Hardware 68 Part Four: Buying NEXTSTEP The Seven NeXT Fears 79 Buying NEXTSTEP 83 Where to Buy 86 Part Five: The Black Lists Black List #1: Must-have Products (plus some favorites) 91 Black List #2: NEXTSTEP Software Products 95 Black List #3: Shipping Hardware Products 114 Black List #4: PC & Mac Tools for Connectivity 120 Black List #5: NeXT Inc. Contacts 121 Black List #6: Dealers, VARS & System Integrators 122 Black List #7: Publications 126 Black List #8: Online Resources 129 Black List #9: NEXTSTEP Publishing Service Bureaus 133 Black List #10: NeXT's Customers 134 Black List #11: NeXT User Groups Worldwide 136 Black List #12: NeXT User Groups Canada 137 Black List #13: NeXT User Groups USA 138 Index 153
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: NeXTStep 3.1 user installs no problem with Apple CD-300 Message-ID: <1993Jun23.070416.250@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 07:04:16 GMT There was a posting about problems with the double speed Apple CD drive and installing NS 3.1 - I just completed an install using the drive and it was fine (fast too) whee! -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: pat%cesar@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde) Subject: NXKanji Message-ID: <1993Jun22.035030.1639@cesar.uucp> Sender: pat@cesar.uucp Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 03:50:30 GMT Bonjour, I have heard that someone is selling the japanese version on NeXTSTEP. Could that person or anybody for that matter please e-mail me any information. Thanks in advance. N.B. I dont always have access to NetNews so please e-mail to my account. Patrique ++++++++NeXT Mail Accepted Patrique Lalonde pat%cesar@cam.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,aus.computers From: Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Worldwide Educational Offers. Message-ID: <9317418.7959@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia References: <1993Jun23.043706.21730@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 08:33:20 GMT In article <1993Jun23.043706.21730@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> pauldas@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Paul da Silveira) writes: > Hello, > I am one of the people who replied to Aris supporting his push for NS to be > sold Commercially & Academically here in Australia. My preference is for the > Academic Bundle and if the price was around AUD$500, then I'm sure that both > individual students and Object Oriented course developers would jump at the > opportunity. > > There are many people here in Australia who have followed the fortunes and > misfortunes of NeXT by either being in contact with Black HW owners who > "smuggled" their machines into the country and/or through the net newsgroups. > > Please (NeXT) do not let missing out on the Australian market (educational > at least) be another unfavourable marketing decision by NeXT. > > I'm sure staff from NeXT are reading. > > Yours in anticipation, and thank-you for your time. > > -- > Paul da Silveira Monash University -- Caulfield Campus > pauldas@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Melbourne -- Australia > #include <std.disclaimer> > Any opinions expressed above are my own and not that of the Monash University Hello, There have been about 20 replies from people interested in NeXTSTEP through some sort of Educational Offer here in Australia. These might be individual purchases or part of an institution, I don't know. This response is from just a couple of days posting in two newsgroups here in Australia and to the OzNeXT mailing list. I am not sure exactly how one would go about distributing NeXTSTEP here (or elsewhere), but surely it can be done. I kind of feel that it will happen soon ;-) I think that the EDU offer is on back order in the US, and will take a few weeks (months?) for orders to start flowing. If by that time nothing is announced, officially here in Australia, then the best option is for individuals to get their bookstore to order from NASCORP by quoting an ISBN number, hopefully the student discount can be arranged that way. The details were posted by someone in this group I think. NeXTSTEP, of course, is a really good product. But it has to battle against already established standards, like departments hooked on X-Windows, and C++. Computer buying advisory committees have to be convinced of NeXTSTEPs merit and to be able to show masses of peope who want it. This applies to all university purchases really, but also to major government bodies that are closed into already established contracts that they can't get out of easily. NeXTSTEP, probably won't become a major player, but it can remain a leader, repected and followed. There are enough people here (and O/S) who keep pushing NeXT every now and then, but it has come to the point where I would like to be able to say to people: Sure just order it through the Campus Computer Shop or the Bookroom. I am looking forward to seeing the outcome of whether NeXTSTEP will sell worldwide commercially and educationally. Why was black hardware never really offered in Australia? Maybe the Intel plans go back a long way. Why won't NeXTSTEP be offered in Australia? [Or is it, and I am missing something?] Basically it comes down to whether there is enough confidence in the market, no? Aris. -- name: aris theocharides. address: room mg14, maths dept, melb uni, parkville, vic, australia, 3052. phone [+613] uni: 344.74.16, home: 489.90.14, fax: 344.45.99 e.mail: aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: How is Adobe Acrobat different from NeXTMail? Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Jun22.155213.1313@falch.no> <1993Jun22.165335.22538@adobe.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 09:24:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun23.092421.7413@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Jun22.165335.22538@adobe.com> Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> writes: >PDF is currently only read-only. What does this mean exactly? Does it mean the spec is unpublished or is the uneditability (if there is such a word) a deliberate feature? Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: Baseline? Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <ibhan.740509276@husc.harvard.edu> <1993Jun21.184719.456@qb.rhein-main.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 09:18:20 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun23.091820.7351@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Jun21.184719.456@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: >In article <ibhan.740509276@husc.harvard.edu> writes: >> I see a lot of talk about the text object not supporting the "baseline". >> Could someone please tell me (please post to the net, not e-mail - I don't >> want to get flooded) what the hell the baseline is? > >So you want to flood the net instead, redirecting the answer to your >personal question to a million systems worldwide? >Please think before posting. > >(I could have e-mailed this to him, but his attitude is pretty >common to this group, so this post might enlighten some more people) I think you're 100% wrong. Intelligent answers to questions _should_ be posted to the net so that we all get to see the answer (unless the poster specifically requests email). This baseline thing is a classic example - I posted the very same question a couple of weeks ago. Far from my mailbox being "flooded", I didn't get a single reply (sniff), so I'm very interested to see the reply when someone else posts the question (thanks Glenn). These newsgroups (especially csn.programmer) when indexed under Digital Librarian form a valuable source of information and the more answers that get into the public domain, the better. Forget the bandwidth - the useful info is a drop in the ocean compared to most of the other discussion (for want of a better word :-) that takes place on these groups. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <206kam$2gm@paperboy.osf.org> <1993Jun23.010457.16590@cs.yale.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 09:24:53 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun23.092453.7475@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1993Jun23.010457.16590@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu writes: >In article <206kam$2gm@paperboy.osf.org> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David >George) writes: >> Reading advocacy is worse than a bad case of the Mormons on your doorstep. >You can take your "facts", and your opinions and smoke them with your >dope, as David suggests, if it makes you feel better. Interesting suggestion. >Nice comment about Mormons. Is that a joke too? Ho ho ho. I think David meant "Jehovah's Witnesses". Do you have those in the States too? They're a bunch of rather earnest young men - and women (phew! :) who turn up on your doorstep and ask you if you've read the Bible. (This could be a new avenue for NeXT advocates: <ring> "Hello. We'd just like to ask you if you've ever read the NeXTSTEP Programmers Guide..."). When I was living in Munich a couple turned up on my doorstep. They asked the usual "have you ever read the Bible" question to which I replied: "Have I _read_ it? I've got it on-line on my computer, indexed under Digital Librarian, come inside and take a look... now, what would you like me too look up?". They were gobsmacked. First time I've ever seen JW's lost for words. :-) Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: The NeXT interface...what's NeXT? Message-ID: <ibhan.740831506@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 23 Jun 93 10:31:46 GMT WARNING: If you're one of those people who thinks that people should not waste bandwidth for anything what soever, please go on to the next message. If not... Hey, we all know the NeXTStep interface looks really cool and all, but I've got to wonder what else can be done in terms of the nifty look. I'm interested to hear your ideas? How about 3-D icons (that look 3D with those funky LCD glasses)? Windows that you can REALLY move into the background...how about built in Q-sound for 3-D audio placement...yeah... -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Dell DGX System Message-ID: <ibhan.740841775@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 23 Jun 93 13:22:55 GMT The Dell DGX System seems to be a good one to get. Does anyone know the price on this setup? Is there a way to upgrade it to a 66Mhz chip? Also, is there a way to get 1024x768 16-bit color on the other Dell systems? -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTStep Intel machines Message-ID: <ibhan.740842720@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 23 Jun 93 13:38:40 GMT Someone had posted this message earlier: <QUOTE BEGINS> Apparently you can get the following PC from Futuretron in Toronto: 66 MHz Intel Motherboard LocalBus ATI graphics card 400 Meg Quantum SCSI disk SCSI 1/2 card (not sure which vendor) 3com ethernet card 16 Megs RAM 1.44 Meg floppy drive Tower case 15 inch :-( monitor For $4600 Canadian after tax. You can also add one of three CD-ROM drives for 600-800 extra. Oh yeah, the case and monitor are black, as they should be :-). <Quote ENDS> Does anyone have the number for Futuretron? Anyone know if this machine is EISA or ISA? And anyone know how much this translates to in US $? Thanks. -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
From: cb@loglady.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Open/Save panels Date: 23 Jun 1993 14:46:46 GMT Organization: yacc - the Computer Society at Lund University and Lund Institute of Technology Message-ID: <209qcm$qif@nic.lth.se> I have a small problem: All my open and save panels suddenly have only one column in their browser -- which makes navigating through the file system kinda not as easy as I'd like it to be ... I can't find any dwrites that change the behaviour, and I don't remember what I did that made them turn this way -- and resizing doesn't help either (not even if I hold down any combination of modifier keys while I do so) ... anyone help me, please ??? :-) best regards, and thanx in advance // Christian brunschen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Re: Conversion: .jpg to .tiff in 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jun23.133832.4181@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp, 4410 Pt Robinson, Vashon, WA 98070 206/463-9399 References: <1993Jun22.062512.7289@Happy-Man.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 13:38:32 GMT In <1993Jun22.062512.7289@Happy-Man.com> irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) writes: >I just installed 3.1 (black) and discovered that I can no longer >use ImageViewer 0.9e to convert .jpg image files to .tiff files. >The SaveAs panel no longer allows selection of tiff, reverting >(from any setting, actually) to jpeg. >What other tool is available to do this conversion? Jonathan W. Hendry (jon@afs.com) replied by e-mail that he had experienced the same problem, but had experimented and found that, in ImageViewer, at least, adding ".tiff" to the filename in the SaveAs panel caused the conversion and a proper save to take place. Thanks, Jon! I did not receive any information on other tools to do this conversion. If anyone else can help, I'd still be interested in that. -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com 206/463-9399 x101 fax 206/463-9255 Happy Man Corp. 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon, WA 98070-7399 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info. packet free. Send POSTAL address: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cbliek@dcc.uchile.cl (Christian Bliek) Subject: NeXTStep Programming books Sender: usenet@dcc.uchile.cl (Network News) Message-ID: <1993Jun23.142715.11428@dcc.uchile.cl> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 14:27:15 GMT Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion Keywords: NeXTStep, Programming, Documentation, Book From what I heard on the net there are two introductory NeXTStep Programming books: 1) NeXTStep Programming - Step One: Object Oriented Applications by Simson L. Garfinkel & Machael K. Mahoney 2) NeXTStep Programming: Concepts and Applications by Alex Duong Nghiem Based on the titles it's kind of hard to decide which one to get! Anyone care to comment? Christian Bliek. (cbliek@dcc.uchile.cl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: NeXTStep PC's Message-ID: <ibhan.740851096@husc.harvard.edu> From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) Date: 23 Jun 93 15:58:16 GMT I'd like to know what PC's people have gotten to work with NeXTStep Intel that are not on the compatibility guide. Specifically, I'm interested in Micron's EISA/VESA/SCSI-2 systems. -- ****************************************************************************** Ishir Bhan * "It takes years to find the nerve..." ibhan@husc.harvard.edu * -New Order, "All The Way" ******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Scott Byer <byer@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: How is Adobe Acrobat different from NeXTMail? Message-ID: <1993Jun23.163617.1513@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Jun23.092421.7413@prim> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 16:36:17 GMT Dave Griffiths writes >> PDF is currently only read-only. > What does this mean exactly? Does it mean the spec is unpublished > or is the uneditability (if there is such a word) a deliberate > feature? The current, published spec is read-only. Editiability is a *very* hard problem to solve in a general transfer format - so, not a deliberate feature, but a necessary one for a timely introduction :-). -- Scott Byer NeXTMail: byer@mv.us.adobe.com Adobe Systems Incorporated These are *my* opinions, and 1585 Charleston Road, P.O. Box 7900 do not necessarily reflect Mountain View, CA 94039-7900 the opinions of my employer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Mounting CD-ROM, LoginWindow problem Message-ID: <1993Jun23.160734.15541@serval.net.wsu.edu> Date: 23 Jun 93 16:07:34 GMT Article-I.D.: serval.1993Jun23.160734.15541 Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Ok, I have two different problems going on here. Here goes. 1. I am trying to mount the CD-ROM device, and I can't seem to get the mount command right. I have tried the following: /etc/mount /dev/sd2h /CDROM /etc/mount -t cfs /dev/sd2h /CDROM and various other permutations. What should the proper command be? 2. My NeXT Cube died the other day. I tried to reboot it and it comes up with numerous messages such as the following: Jun 22 17:14:43 bongo loginwindow[146]: loginwindow: could not find WindowServer port! Jun 22 17:15:29 bongo loginwindow[158]: loginwindow: could not find WindowServer port! Jun 22 17:16:16 bongo loginwindow[162]: loginwindow: could not find WindowServer port! What happened? Did a file get corrupted? The /usr/adm/messages file gives the message that the reboot is complete, but then it never clears the monitor screen and gives me the login window. What should I do? Thanks for any help anyone can give. -- ********************************************************************* * John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * * Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * *********************************************************************
From: jcs@cco.caltech.edu (John C. Stevenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: STB Horizon Help (NS/I SVGA for ISA) Date: 23 Jun 1993 18:48:40 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <20a8i8INNj4o@gap.caltech.edu> have the STB horizon VGA card for my 486 NS/I with ISA bus as recommended specifcally by the June 3 hardware compatibility guide. Does not work in 1024x768 mode. The 640x480 VGA is WAY too small. The symptons include vertical stripping and black dragon behind the mouse. I can see the higer resolution, barely, and I want it. Perhpas the fact that configure.app shows only 128K video memory for this board is a problem? If the guy that got the TS ET-4000 to work has any clues, or anyone else, I (and jmd@handheld.com) would greatly appreciate it. Email or post or anything, please. john stevenson jcs@alumni.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc From: ddh@mtu.edu (Dave Hale) Subject: NeXT For Sale (Update) Message-ID: <1993Jun23.184502.14156@mtu.edu> Summary: Loaded NeXT Cube for sale Keywords: next cube for sale Organization: Michigan Technological University Distribution: na Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 18:45:02 GMT System Configuration: NeXTCube w/68040 CPU NeXT Monochrome Monitor Old Style NeXT Keyboard 24 Megs Memory 670 Meg Hard Drive 2.88 Meg External PLI Floppy Drive Software: NeXTStep 3.0 installed on HD and on CD ROM Complete online documentation FrameMaker Mathematica Sybase Allegro Common Lisp (Not installed, but on floppies) McGill-X SLIP and PPP Both Taylor UUCP and the stock NeXT UUCP CNews/trn/tin/NewsGrazer Most of the software from the archives is also installed (I can install anything from the archives that you want before I ship out the system) Documentation (Bound manuals): NeXTStep Programming by Garfinkel & Mahoney Programming the Display PostScript System with NeXTstep The NeXT Book Mathematica - A System for Doing Mathematics by Computer NeXT Development Tools NeXT Operating System Software NeXT Network and System Administration NeXTStep Reference NeXT Users Reference NeXT Applications Price: $3500 or best reasonable offer. (This is a private machine, I am not interested in donating it for a tax write-off) You can contact me by emailing to ddh@orage.mi.org (Please CC to ddh@mtu.edu just to be on the safe side) Or by calling (616) 947-3427.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: next NeXTWorld Expo dates Message-ID: <C93DF1.21r@news.otago.ac.nz> From: gideon@otago.ac.nz (Gideon King) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 20:40:13 GMT Sender: usenet@news.otago.ac.nz (News stuff) Organization: University of Otago This may be a bit premature, but has there been any indication as to date and location of the next NeXTWorld expo? Is it always held in May? Any info most welcome. Thanks. -- Gideon King | Phone +64-3-479 8347 University of Otago | Fax +64-3-479 8529 Department of Computer Science | e-mail gideon@otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | Dunedin | NeXT mail ok New Zealand |
From: d91-elu@dront.nada.kth.se (Erik Lundstrm) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: CD-ROM NeWS MAY-JUN Issue? Message-ID: <1993Jun24.112845.22260@kth.se> Date: 24 Jun 93 11:28:45 GMT Sender: usenet@kth.se (Usenet) Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Have any of you (who are subscribing) received the MAY-JUN issue of CD-ROM NeWS from JANA Publishing? David Wallin. d91-elu@nada.kth.se
From: kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXT and modem as answering machine Date: 24 Jun 1993 13:19:45 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1993Jun24.005312.21458@cs.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes: >Do you know of any NeXT software that implements a telephone >answering machine? There is a nice program called 'am', which works as an answering machine for NeXT with ZyXEL-Modem. It's still in beta, but it already works fine. ftp-access: ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de -- pub/NeXT/comm/Answering_Machine.1.00-beta.4.tar.z -- Axel Habermann \\|// FaxFon: +49 30 4543046 Fehmarnerstr. 4 )o o( eMail: kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de 1000 Berlin 65 \ | / "Wenn Du nicht weisst Germany \~/ was du tust, mach's mit Eleganz!"
From: zazula@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (Ralph Zazula) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Intel NS software (where?) Message-ID: <1993Jun22.082459.25061@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> Date: 22 Jun 93 08:24:59 GMT References: <C8yuE8.4A5@well.sf.ca.us> Sender: zazula@pri.com (Ralph Zazula) Organization: Pinnacle Research, Inc. - "THE NEXTSTEP(tm) UTILITY LAB" Hi - We have placed MAB (multi-architecture-binary) versions of our VirtSpace, PageChain, WetPaint and VWall applications on the cs.orst.edu FTP site. These all have demo-modes and will run on iNTEL machines. The VWall demo comes with a FREE (yes, F.R.E.E) 2-user license key for you to play with. As a side note, all current users of these applications can pick up the MAB versions and use them with their current keys... Enjoy, Ralph --- Ralph Zazula President Pinnacle Research, Inc. - "THE NEXTSTEP(tm) UTILITY LAB" zazula@pri.com (602)529-1135
From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NetInfo Master In Different Subnet...? Date: 24 Jun 1993 14:00:39 GMT Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <20cc27$dlo@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> I want a NetInfo client NeXT (running 3.0) to look for its master by IP addr, in a different subnet. The client knows its own IP addr, hostname, and route, and I have turned on routing before rc reads /etc/hostconfig (route add default r.o.u.t.e.r 1) so it can find its way around. Now where can I specify an IP addr for the NetInfo master so the client knows where to find its network accounts, other services, etc? Paul Southworth Computer Systems Consultant University of Michigan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: New Backspace Modules Message-ID: <20ccl6$eu2@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 14:10:46 GMT You can get two new Backspace screen savers, source and all, from binkley.cs.mcgill.ca:/hutch/pub/BackSpace They are: NeXT.tar.Z: A spinning 3D wireframe NeXT logo, in color with perspective and all... bounces off the sides of the screen and changes rotation, etc. Very cool. Stef.tar.Z: The "Spotlight" screen saver you see on Macs and Windows all the time. Both are free software, so use `em and reuse them. Have fun, and let me know if you add to these things. I'll put copies up to sonata and orst as well. - darcy -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: next NeXTWorld Expo dates Message-ID: <1993Jun24.151746.1506@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <cn$@byu.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 15:17:46 GMT In article <cn$@byu.edu> pmarc@wyoming.et.byu.edu (Paul M. Cardon) writes: | | In article <C93DF1.21r@news.otago.ac.nz>, gideon@otago.ac.nz (Gideon King) write | s: | >This may be a bit premature, but has there been any indication as to date | >and location of the next NeXTWorld expo? Is it always held in May? Any | >info most welcome. | | Somebody can help me with exact dates, but I think I remember | the banner above the show-floor exit at EXPO saying somewhere | around June 20th. | | Paul Cardon I believe it's June 20th - 22nd. (Which really blows 'cause it's right around the time I'll be graduating. I guess they can mail the diploma. :) ) -- Jonathan W. Hendry <jon@afs.com> It's a hundred classes, give or take a few, I'll be writing more in a week or two. I can make it deeper if you like the style, I can change it round and I want to be an ObjectWare writer,
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: EISA vs. VESA Date: 24 Jun 1993 09:27:42 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <20cklu$dd2@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <1993Jun21.082053.4878@cs.utwente.nl> In article <1993Jun21.082053.4878@cs.utwente.nl> botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) writes: :I've read in some test (I've forgot which one :-( :that with the same cards in the same machines but :with different bus architectures: : :a) the local video card outperforms (2x) the EISA card : :b) the EISA harddisk controller card outperforms (2x) the local bus card : :This suggests (I can't comment on the outcome of the test) that :you should buy an EISA backplane with local bus slots. : :Bart This is precisely what we got... An EISA machine with Localbus slots. The only problem we had was that the first motherboard we purchased had an IDE controller on it which could not be disabled, and NS refused to boot from the SCSI. After getting a new motherboard without the IDE everything worked fine. A DX2/66 EISA machine can do 33MBytes/sec on the EISA backplane, fixes a whole lot of problems with ISA, and to top it all off you can stick ISA cards in it if you want. In fact, since NeXT doesn't support any EISA ethernet cards that is precisely what we had to do. What this means, essentially, is that you really only need the localbus slots for your video. Getting a localbus hard drive or network controller is a waste of money since even the fastest SCSI you are likely to get runs at only 10MBytes/sec, and ethernet runs only 1 MByte/sec. Besides, a localbus controller is much more likely to hog the bus and cause problems verses an EISA bus master. I also suggest getting a busmouse card instead of using a serial port based mouse, thus leaving both serial ports free. -Matt :-- : ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ :|___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) :| | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / :|_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \) Matthew Dillon dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way dillon@overload.berkeley.ca.us Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000 [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: NeXTStep positions available Message-ID: <C94uAz.MwG@agedwards.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 15:42:35 GMT Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Keywords: positions jobs dollars NOTE: This is posted for a friend -- his address is in the Reply-to: header; please insure that mailed replies go to him. David Graziano Compuserve: 717030,600 Internet: david@psc-corp.com The subject line says it all -- we have NeXT-related work available and would like to talk to people who are interested in taking it on. Reply for more details... David PSC, Inc. -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: NeXT and modem as answering machine Message-ID: <tlm.740942672@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Jun24.005312.21458@cs.ucla.edu> <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 17:24:32 GMT In <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) writes: >pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes: >>Do you know of any NeXT software that implements a telephone >>answering machine? >There is a nice program called 'am', which works as an answering >machine for NeXT with ZyXEL-Modem. It's still in beta, but it already >works fine. This is indeed a nice program, and written by a very nice guy, Jolly Stein, but is there any hope someone will convert it to work with other modems? Like maybe a Supra? (which I just happen to have :) Tom
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 14:35:09 EDT From: <3179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93175.1435093179690@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: CD-ROM NeWS MAY-JUN Issue? References: <1993Jun24.112845.22260@kth.se> Hello, The CD's are on the mail, it got late by few weeks becuase we were at NeXT World Expo selling subscriptions. This CD contain about 500 Megs of NeXTStep(040&Intel) software. Jay JANA Publishing
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) Subject: Re: Baseline? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 07:11:29 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun24.071129.768@qb.rhein-main.de> References: <1993Jun23.091820.7351@prim> Sender: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) In article <1993Jun23.091820.7351@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: > In article <1993Jun21.184719.456@qb.rhein-main.de> vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: > >In article <ibhan.740509276@husc.harvard.edu> writes: > >> I see a lot of talk about the text object not supporting the "baseline". > >> Could someone please tell me (please post to the net, not e-mail - I don't > >> want to get flooded) what the hell the baseline is? > > > >So you want to flood the net instead, redirecting the answer to your > >personal question to a million systems worldwide? > >Please think before posting. > > > >(I could have e-mailed this to him, but his attitude is pretty > >common to this group, so this post might enlighten some more people) > > I think you're 100% wrong. Intelligent answers to questions _should_ be > posted to the net so that we all get to see the answer (unless the poster > specifically requests email). and Ishir Bhan writes: >No, clueless...the idea is one person posts a reply. Then everyone else >can see it so they don't need to post any more. (Good idea, but remember it takes days for news to reach a lot of sites. They wouldn't know there was an answer already and still post.) OK, I accept that Ishir's asked for posting instead of emailing intentionally because he wanted to give others access to the information. It would have been less misleading if he had said so in his post rather than saying "Pleas post to the net, I don't want to get flooded with email". BTW in the other newsgroups I read the way to make such information publicly available is by saying "I'll summarize" and then posting a reduced-redundancy summary of the email one got, with the appropriate credits. Don't get me wrong, I'm not mad at Ishir nor trying to enlighten y'all about The Right Way To Post According To Volker. Was just a Bandwidth-Reminder. Volker -- Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@qb.rhein-main.de) Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence. See also: MS-DOS, MS-Windows, PC, X, QWERTY, 80x86, TrueType
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: derek(Derek Collison) Subject: Pentium chips for Intel GX Message-ID: <C94zxI.16G@oceania.com> Sender: derek@oceania.com (Derek Collison) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 17:44:03 GMT Does anyone know when the overdrive processor (Pentium) will be available for the Intel Professional/GX workstation? =derek --------- Derek Collison <-----> derek@nosloc.com Nosloc Software Technologies NeXT mail accepted
From: nagler@wat2213.ucr.edu (jonathan nagler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Insignia email address?? Message-ID: <33273@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: 24 Jun 93 19:04:19 GMT Sender: news@galaxy.ucr.edu Does anyone have an email address for insignia - the SoftpC people? Also, anyone care to comment on how well their latest versions work on black hardware?? !r .signature
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: uunet!sci34hub!tybrin4!holli!me (Trey McClendon) Subject: Re: NeXTStep 3.1 user installs no problem with Apple CD-300 Message-ID: <1993Jun24.112741.6529@holli.uucp> Sender: me@holli.uucp (My Account) Organization: TYBRIN Corporation -- Huntsville, AL References: <1993Jun23.070416.250@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 11:27:41 GMT In article <1993Jun23.070416.250@netcom.com> gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) writes: > There was a posting about problems with the double speed Apple CD drive and > installing NS 3.1 - I just completed an install using the drive and it was fine > (fast too) > > whee! > -- > >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! > >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20 Which machine did you install 3.1 on? Trey -- Trey McClendon, Madison, AL
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Looking for Folks at **PiXY** Date: 24 Jun 1993 20:01:46 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <20d17a$9uc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> About a month ago, a company which I think was called PiXY advertised they had purchased 50 pieces of NEXTSTEP Academic to sell to interested individuals in education. Would someone please send me their email address or phone number? Thanks, Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Re: Gateway problems Message-ID: <1993Jun24.170608.603@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 17:06:08 GMT I posted a message on June 23, yesterday, about having problems loading NeXSTEP/Intel on a Gateway 2000. I received 2 posts that had the Gateway solution from Paul S. Sears. That solution does not work for me and I already had that message. My problem is that the mouse always gets a Mouse Pointer Probe failure, so I can't continue with the configuration. The other problem is that I don't have the SerialPorts.config file he refers to. I put in a call to Gateway but they didn't have any answers so far. Right now I'm waiting for a NeXT engineer to give me a call to see if they have any insight into this problem. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: NEC CD-ROM woes... Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun24.203240.19782@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 20:32:40 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993Jun24.060644.1275@microsoft.com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1993Jun24.060644.1275@microsoft.com>, jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: |> I have attempted to install NEXTSTEP/FIP on a DELL 486D/50, 32Mb RAM, and |> WD/Paradise SVGA adapter. I also have a NEC MultiSpin CDROM drive attached |> via a Trantor T130b SCSI card. |> |> I am able to boot to the floppy disk, however after scrolling through a few |> messages (regarding keyboard/mouse/etc) I get the message: |> |> No CD-ROM drive found |> use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d |> root device? |> |> However, I am able to read this CDROM from DOS, Win31, and WinNT. In a |> feeble attempt to troubleshoot, I pulled out the net card (a DEC Etherworks |> Turbo/TP) and my MS inport mouse card (I know that device isn't supported, |> so I used a serial mouse), but this was to no avail. |> |> Has anyone successfully installed NS/FIP with a similar configuration? |> I have successfully installed NeXTSTEP from the NEC CD-ROM. (An external Multispin, model 74?) It was not on a DELL however but a no-name pc and an Adaptec 1542B SCSI card. I would bet that your trouble lies in your SCSI card OR your SCSI ids. Put the SCSI drive you want to install to at device number 0 and the CD-ROM at 1. I don't seem to remember the Trantor T130b SCSI card as being supported hardware so this might be part of the problem. Check the IRQs on the card remember NeXTSTEP is a little particular about these things. 8-( As a side note, it's too bad that SCSI cards on the PC are just so....well BAD. A few years back when I was the director of the image processing lab at the University of North Dakota, we had a future domain SCSI card which when we tried to partition our SCSI optical drive, it'd blow away our Maxtor 600 Meg harddisk if we left it on the SCSI chain. Everything was properly terminated too. I've never trusted PC SCSI cards since. |> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, |> -Jeff |> jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson |> -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clarance@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (Clarance Howatt) Subject: Wanted: DBKit Ingres adaptor Message-ID: <1993Jun24.201950.6626@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 20:19:50 GMT Well I have put it off for as long as I can. I need to find an adaptor for an Ingres database running on a DEC 5000. Last time NeXT was in town they said that there was a commercial one. I would be interested in knowing anybody or any company that has one available or is working on one. The chatch is that it must be available by Aug. 1. If I don't find one out here I will have to write my own. --------- Clarance Howatt
From: lhb@isds.duke.edu (Leslie H. Boyd) Newsgroups: triangle.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED CD-ROM & CABLE for NeXT Workstation Message-ID: <16826@news.duke.edu> Date: 24 Jun 93 20:54:38 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Followup-To: poster Subject says it all. Please respond to this account with the following information: Type/Model Availability How old How used Price Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: Thierry.Desbois@metasoft.fdn.org Subject: Re: The NeXT interface...what's NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jun24.123622.2997@metasoft.fdn.org> Keywords: GUI, 3D Sender: news@metasoft.fdn.org Organization: Metasoft - Rennes, France. References: <ibhan.740831506@husc.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 12:36:22 GMT In article <ibhan.740831506@husc.harvard.edu> writes: > WARNING: If you're one of those people who thinks that people should not > waste bandwidth for anything what soever, please go on to the next > message. If not... > > Hey, we all know the NeXTStep interface looks really cool and all, but > I've got to wonder what else can be done in terms of the nifty look. > I'm interested to hear your ideas? How about 3-D icons (that look 3D > with those funky LCD glasses)? Windows that you can REALLY move into > the background...how about built in Q-sound for 3-D audio placement > ...yeah... I m not one of these people... Have a look at the journal "Communications of the ACM (Association for Computing Machinery)" of April 1993, It could give you a good idea of the future ! The special section is named "Graphical user interfaces : the next generation". It deals with 3D interactive animations in user interfaces and many other interesting things such as perspective wall visualisation files or cone trees. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thierry Desbois Tel: (+33) 99 31 68 00 Fax: (+33) 99 35 00 45 Metasoft ted@metasoft.fdn.org [NeXTmail welcome] --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: Re: Baseline? Message-ID: <ntomczak.740976314@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <207lo1$7vu@cnn.sim.es.com> <1246@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 02:45:14 GMT glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) writes: >"the baseline" is a PostScript comment (%%Baseline:) that has been >invented recently to be added to the EPS (Encapsulated PostScript) >specification. Just in case you got convinced that everything was invented with PostScript. "the baseline" is a term used by typographers for a few centuries and denotes an imaginary line on which sits your line of text. Letters like 'a' are set directly on the baseline, but 'p' has a "descender" which sticks out below it. It is very important when you try to insert in your text some "foreign" material, like formulas, small graphics elements, or tables, if you want all these things to properly line up. Recently PostScript managed to notice that this is a GoodThing. :-) Michal Jaegermann ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Baseline? Date: 25 Jun 93 00:06:35 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Jun25000635@nic.gac.edu> References: <1993Jun23.091820.7351@prim> <1993Jun24.071129.768@qb.rhein-main.de> In-reply-to: vhs@qb.rhein-main.de's message of Thu, 24 Jun 93 07:11:29 GMT Bah, I don't see what all the fuss is about. First off, the answer in question _had_ been posted to the net in the last couple weeks. Obviously, the original poster wasn't listening at the time - why expect them to be listening this time? The correct solution would have been for the original poster to accept email responses and summarize the points to the net. I don't mean simply cat the responses together as so many people do these days - I mean read them and give a _summary_. You know, something concise that describes the answer and why it works. If you aren't willing to do that minor piece of work - well, why should _I_ be willing to take time to answer your question? The responsibilities flow both ways, you know. If you're looking for a free ride, then I can probably find better things to do with my time. [This is coming from someone who used to spend a lot of time addressing people's questions on the net, but gave up after realizing that half the questions asked are asked over and over and over again, without reference to any of the answer compilations available.] Later, scott In article <1993Jun24.071129.768@qb.rhein-main.de>, vhs@qb.rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai) writes: >In article <1993Jun23.091820.7351@prim> > dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: >> In article <1993Jun21.184719.456@qb.rhein-main.de> > vhs@qb.rhein-main.de writes: >> >In article <ibhan.740509276@husc.harvard.edu> writes: >> >> I see a lot of talk about the text object not supporting the >> >> "baseline". Could someone please tell me (please post to the >> >> net, not e-mail - I don't want to get flooded) what the hell >> >> the baseline is? >> > >> >So you want to flood the net instead, redirecting the answer to >> >your personal question to a million systems worldwide? Please >> >think before posting. >> > >> >(I could have e-mailed this to him, but his attitude is pretty >> >common to this group, so this post might enlighten some more >> >people) >> >> I think you're 100% wrong. Intelligent answers to questions >> _should_ be posted to the net so that we all get to see the >> answer (unless the poster specifically requests email). > >and Ishir Bhan writes: >>No, clueless...the idea is one person posts a reply. Then everyone >>else can see it so they don't need to post any more. > >(Good idea, but remember it takes days for news to reach a lot of >sites. They wouldn't know there was an answer already and still >post.) > >OK, I accept that Ishir's asked for posting instead of emailing >intentionally because he wanted to give others access to the >information. It would have been less misleading if he had said so >in his post rather than saying "Pleas post to the net, I don't want >to get flooded with email". BTW in the other newsgroups I read the >way to make such information publicly available is by saying "I'll >summarize" and then posting a reduced-redundancy summary of the >email one got, with the appropriate credits. I am, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NSFIP 3.1 for sale Message-ID: <73@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 25 Jun 93 04:45:10 GMT Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. Hi I have got a brand new NSFIP 3.1, base package and developpers. No evaluation and no students kit. Complete with all books, and never used. Who is interested? Please send me your idea. /***************************************************************************/ /* Kay Schulz, Rheinstr. 24, 72768 Reutlingen, Germany */ /* 07121 / 601961 privat */ /* 07121 / 35 1341 geschaeftlich */ /*kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de WORKING Address */ /*nagasena!kay@gold.t-informatik.ba-stuttgart.de My home computer */ /*kschulz@gold.t-informatik.ba-stuttgart.de Let me handle the address*/ Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. -- Salvor Hardin /***************************************************************************/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Baseline? Message-ID: <C95z1L.KLs@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <207lo1$7vu@cnn.sim.es.com> <1246@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> <ntomczak.740976314@vega> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 06:22:32 GMT In article <ntomczak.740976314@vega> ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) writes: [ ] > >Just in case you got convinced that everything was invented with >PostScript. > >"the baseline" is a term used by typographers for a few centuries >and denotes an imaginary line on which sits your line of text. >Letters like 'a' are set directly on the baseline, but 'p' has >a "descender" which sticks out below it. It is very important >when you try to insert in your text some "foreign" material, >like formulas, small graphics elements, or tables, if you want >all these things to properly line up. > >Recently PostScript managed to notice that this is a GoodThing. :-) Wonderful! Finally we enter the Middle Ages (not yet as NeXt doesn't support this notion). Computers are still very uncivilized. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: Aris Theocharides <aris@foucault.maths.mu.OZ.AU> Subject: What is NeXT doing WRONG? Message-ID: <9317618.8581@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Keywords: NeXT Sender: news@cs.mu.OZ.AU Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 08:08:34 GMT I would like to hear from anyone and everyone who has a specific point to make concerning what NeXT is doing wrong. It can be any minor point (like the design of a mouse) or to major factors like lack of marketing. I think we all appreciate what NeXT has done right? So please take the time, write a short concise report on what you think NeXT is not quite doing properly. I will summarize to interested persons after a while, and more specifically send a copy to people at NeXT, Data General and Canon, or any NeXT User Group that is interested. Looking forward to your comments. Aris Theocharides <aris@mundoe.maths.mu.OZ.AU> -- name: aris theocharides. address: room mg14, maths dept, melb uni, parkville, vic, australia, 3052. phone [+613] uni: 344.74.16, home: 489.90.14, fax: 344.45.99 e.mail: aris@mundoe.maths.mu.OZ.AU (NeXTmail OK)
Newsgroups: andi.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: ANDI has a booth at PC Expo with 80,000 attendees Message-ID: <C9513C.57K@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,NeXTSTEP,PC Expo Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 18:09:10 GMT We just secured a booth #516 on Level one of the Javits Center for PC EXPO. Last years attendance was 81,604 people. We are in a prime location. If you are interested in having your product literature distributed call me. I REPEAT -- CALL ME at 301-681-0613 The show is June 29,30, and July 1. This is a golden opportuntity. FYI - We are also exhibiting at: UNIX Expo in New York City Sept 21-23 (last years attendance 28,722). PC EXPO in Chicago, October 19-21. (last years attendance 29,212). FedUNIX in Washington,DC Nov 30-Dec. 1 (last years attendance 3,500). We will also be offering training programs at this event. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: NS/FIP questions. Message-ID: <1993Jun25.040845.28512@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <wg9uHsK00YUnQoKFck@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 04:08:45 GMT "Douglas F. DeJulio" <ddj+@CMU.EDU> writes: >I just sold my NeXTstation so I could afford to upgrade my PC to the >point where it'll run NeXTstep a fourth as well as the machine I sold. >So, now I have to buy some hardware for the PC, and it has to work >under NS/FIP and I need to be able to afford it. So, some questions. >[...some stuff that I can't address...] >If I buy a better video card, that will work up to 1024x768 in umpteen >zillion colors, can I configure the software so that it doesn't go to >a resolution higher than about 800x600? Y'see, my monitor is 14", and >my eyes are still good and I want to keep them that way... Assuming the card is supported at all, the way NS/FIP works with the drivers I've seen (Compaq QVision and ATI on-board), and therefore presumably with the driver for your card, is that you're given a list of combinations of resolution, vertical refresh rate and color space to pick from. You can pick whatever combo you want. E.g. the current QVision driver allows 800x600 16-bit color or 1024x 768 8-bit grey (refresh rates omitted) on the current QVision board, and will allow those plus 1024x768 16-bit color or 1280x1024 8-bit grey on the next rev of QVision. The ATI on-board driver currently supports 800x600 16-bit color at two refresh rates or 1024x768 16-bit color at 3 refresh rates. I've been using 1024x768 on a 15" MAG monitor for a couple of weeks now. I personally prefer my 17" NeXT mono display, and initially did not like the 15" color display at all. However, after a day or so, I adjusted and now don't really mind it. Of course, my eyes are already shot, so I have little to lose. :~) >[...more stuff I can't address...] >Also I'd like advice on trade-offs between motherboard and RAM. If I >get a 486DX2-66 EISA/localbus motherboard with 16M RAM, how would that >compare to a 486DX-33 ISA with 32M as far as performance? More memory is always better, and on a 16-bit color system, going from 16MB to 32MB would be like night and day. Many 486 PCs are already fast CPUs choked by inferior memory, video and disk subsystems. If you have a budget that you have to meet, and throttle your memory in favor of CPU speed, you won't see much of the benefit of your faster CPU unless you're doing heavily CPU-bound stuff. NeXT recommends a minimum of 24MB if you're using 16-bit color, and they're not joking around. Shoot, I just bumped my mono non-Turbo slab at work from 16MB to 24MB, and I noticed a huge difference the first time I logged in. The same applies in spades on a color Intel machine. That said, having used both, I wouldn't want a 33MHz DX if I could have a 66MHz DX2. :~) >Also, incedentally, does NS/FIP do anything with the third button on >3-button mice? No. -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | easier to write and run faster, or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | too." -ad for OS/2 2.0
From: noss@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (Jim Noss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: WANTED: Yosemite raster image Date: 25 Jun 1993 10:17:46 -0400 Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division, Chantilly VA Sender: noss@europa.eng.gtefsd.com Distribution: usa Message-ID: <20f1eaINNjof@cliffy.eng.gtefsd.com> Summary: Looking for the Yosemite Pict or Gif image that was on Next 1.0 Keywords: Yosemite Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Yosemite picture (Gif or Raster image) that was part of the NeXT 1.0 Demos? Thanks, Jim Noss E-Mail: noss@europa.eng.gtefsd.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman) Subject: Re: Looking for Folks at **PiXY** Message-ID: <1993Jun25.150202.20412@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <20d17a$9uc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 15:02:02 GMT zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >About a month ago, a company which I think was called PiXY advertised they >had purchased 50 pieces of NEXTSTEP Academic to sell to interested >individuals in education. >Would someone please send me their email address or phone number? PIXY.INC@applelink.apple.com
From: hmendenhall@atl.ge.com (Henry H Mendenhall) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: how do I un-mute the sound? Message-ID: <HMENDENHALL.93Jun25101433@panther.atl.ge.com> Date: 25 Jun 93 14:14:33 GMT Organization: Martin Marietta Advanced Technology Laboratories I've got a NeXTstation Turbo Color running 3.0, and I can't get the sound mute to shut off. The keyboard mute switch has no effect, and clicking on the mute box in 'preferences' fails to clear the little check-mark. I think we used to get sound on this machine, does anyone have any suggestions about what's happened? Is there some magic switch I need to throw somewhere to get sound again? thanks, -henry -- Henry Mendenhall | Martin Marietta Advanced Technology Labs | Internet: hmendenhall@atl.ge.com Bldg. 145-2, Moorestown Corp. Cent., Rt. 38 | Voice: 609-866-6648 Moorestown, NJ 08057 | Fax: 609-866-6397
From: samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT1.1 and Stef1.1 (BackSpace mods) Message-ID: <20f4ni$2d2@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> Date: 25 Jun 93 15:13:54 GMT Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Hello... I've placed updated versions of these new BackSpace mods onto sonata, orst and mcgill. Stef1.1.tar.Z: - Incorporates a smaller (faster) spotlight (from Paul Murphy) - Incorporates a speed slider (Klaus Hofrichter) - Compressed the tiff (Sam Streeper) NeXT1.1.tar.Z: - Changed installation permissions (Sam Streeper) I've forgotten to take out the -g flag for installation... You may want to do this or add -x to the ld line of the Makefile to decrease the size of the installed bundle. Thanks for those that have contributed suggestions! ftp sites: sonata.cc.purdue.edu:/pub/next/submissions cs.orst.edu:/pub/next/submissions binkley.cs.mcgill.ca:/hutch/pub/BackSpace (You can get the latest version of the Hackers Lexicon app from binkley.cs.mcgill.ca:/hutch/pub/Dictionaries as well) - darcy -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: OBS_Inc@mindlink.bc.ca (OBS Inc) Subject: How to install NSFIP on a NEC UltraLite Versa Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 16:32:52 GMT Message-ID: <25875@mindlink.bc.ca> Sender: news@deep.rsoft.bc.ca (Usenet News at rsoft.bc.ca) I have a NEC UltraLite that I wish to install NeXTSTEP on to, but I'm not sure exactly how to accomplish it. The problem is that it has no SCSI adapter. The only parallel to SCSI that I was able to source is a Trantor OEM, which is not compatible with NeXTSTEP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: clarance@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (Clarance Howatt) Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? Message-ID: <1993Jun25.170306.15044@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <88123@ut-emx.uucp> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 17:03:06 GMT > >An operating system is just a tool, and surely what matters is what the > >technology enables you to do, not the technology itself. What's more > important, > >the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd > >used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his > >plays have been any better? > Perhaps he would not have had to write them down. He could have just copied and pasted them from the works of Francis Bacan :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lacsap@media.mit.edu (Pascal Chesnais) Subject: Re: How to install NSFIP on a NEC UltraLite Versa Message-ID: <1993Jun25.174215.2413@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <25875@mindlink.bc.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 17:42:15 GMT In article <25875@mindlink.bc.ca> OBS_Inc@mindlink.bc.ca (OBS Inc) writes: > I have a NEC UltraLite that I wish to install NeXTSTEP on to, but I'm not > sure exactly how to accomplish it. > > The problem is that it has no SCSI adapter. The only parallel to SCSI that I > was able to source is a Trantor OEM, which is not compatible with NeXTSTEP. > You need to get an NEC dockingstation, a supported ISA scsi adapter, and a supported CDrom drive. Once you have this, you can load NEXTSTEP on the portable. pasc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Jolly alias Patrick) Subject: The first fast && smart Sokoban now available Message-ID: <1993Jun25.184858.13356@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Sender: news@news.lrz-muenchen.de (Mr. News) Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 18:48:58 GMT Keywords: Sokoban Reply-To: jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Jolly alias Patrick) Distribution: world Hiho I uploaded it to sonata.cc.purdue.edu and ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de Filename is FastSokoban.tar.Z Have fun with it. jolly --- so long - jolly ======================================================= Jolly alias Patrick Stein = jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de Centrum fuer Informations und Sprachverarbeitung der Ludwig Maximilians Universitaet Muenchen Tel: ++49 +89 -36 40 72 (priv) +89 -950 57 34 " If any member of the family should die whilst in the shelter from contamination put them outside - but remember to tag them first for identification purposes " =======================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ynakamur@malibu.sfu.ca (Yasunobu Nakamura) Subject: SLIP and NewsGrazer Message-ID: <ynakamur.741036274@sfu.ca> Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 19:24:34 GMT Hi all, can you use NewsGrazer with SLIP? If so, what Server name do you specify? Thanksa bunch (^^) ->Mike E-mail: ynakamur@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: NeXTStep positions available Message-ID: <C96q9B.6Bt@agedwards.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 16:10:23 GMT References: <C94uAz.MwG@agedwards.com> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Keywords: positions jobs dollars Please accept the apologies of my right-hand ring finger. It got a little overzealous and hit an extra zero in the Compuserve address below. If you have replied to that address and gotten a bounce, then blame me, not David. To repeat, David's Compuserve address is 71730,600. cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) writes: >NOTE: This is posted for a friend -- his address is in the Reply-to: >header; please insure that mailed replies go to him. > David Graziano Compuserve: 717030,600 ^^^^^^^^^^ this should be 71730,600 > Internet: david@psc-corp.com > >The subject line says it all -- we have NeXT-related work available >and would like to talk to people who are interested in taking >it on. Reply for more details... >David >PSC, Inc. -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc From: roj@dodads.cop.dec.com (Roger Masse) Subject: Re: Information requested on NeXTSTEP 486 Message-ID: <1993Jun25.160717@dodads.cop.dec.com> Sender: news@decuac.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <C8ty4r.Gpn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1993Jun16.220002.20087@bsu-ucs> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 20:07:17 GMT >The final version of NeXTSTEP For Intel Processors will be $749 for a user >version, and $2790 for the developer version. Higher Ed version of >development is only $249. Isn't there a special 'introductory offer' on right now? like $299 for both til the end of June? Anyone have the number to call to order? __________________________________________ Roger Masse, Digital Equipment Corporation __o Open Systems Resource Center _ \<,_ roj@cop.dec.com (_)/ (_)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mleggott@cwaves.stfx.ca (Mark Leggott) Subject: Objective C - NeXT Programming Training Message-ID: <1993Jun25.204716.22330@nstn.ns.ca> Sender: usenet@nstn.ns.ca (NNTP Entity) Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 20:47:16 GMT I am submitting a funding request for training with programming in Objective-C, or specifically with the NeXTStep programming environment. Ideally the course should not be longer that one week, and should be geared toward those with no previous programming experience in C or Objective C. I am aware of the NeXT Camp thing, but would like to know what alternatives are out there. Any info would be appreciated. -- ================================================================ Mark Leggott, NeXT Administrator / Database&Network Coordinator Angus L. MacDonald Library, St. Francis Xavier University Antigonish, Nova Scotia, E2G 1C0 Canada Voice 902-867-2242 FAX 902-867-2334 ================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: NSI Gateway Info Final Message-ID: <1993Jun25.212946.2923@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 21:29:46 GMT Here is the Gateway information everyone was asking for. The machine: 486DX266V Adaptec SCSI Controller FAX/Modem 1.2G Seagate HD 32M Ram ATI Ultra Pro/Local Bus 2M NEC 5FG 17" Monitor Logitech Bus Mouse (See below) All of the above was Gateway supplied, except for the Logitech mouse. That above system cost me $5555, the Logitech mouse cost $84.95 BIOS: Phoenix 80486 Rom BIOS Plus ver 0.10 GJX30-05E Paul Sears said to get it to work that you had to disconnect the keyboard and only connect it when you were prompted. That worked fine, thanks for the info Paul. But I also had an additional problem. When it came to the point of configuring your machine with a NeXTSTEP panel I did not have any keyboard or mouse control, the mouse was a Microsoft serial mouse. I changed this that and the other thing and nothing seemed to affect it. I finally decided to try a Logitech Bus Mouse and guess what, it worked. You still have to do the thing with the keyboard but it still works. Also Paul I did not have to do anything with the turbo button. Now when I turn my machine I still have to keep the keyboard unplugged until the login panel appears then plug it in and everything works fine. One other note about installation, when I started installing the NeXT packages I had a problem with documentation. The problem was that I was not root and it tried to create a directory and failed. I would only install the required package, then when you have NeXTSTEP running install the other packages. When you install the developer kits, you need to install the developer tools before the developer libraries because the libraries install uses cc. I made BackSpace on my Intel and Motoral platforms, and Intel finished about 2 seconds faster with lower system and user times, sorry I didn't keep the specs. I also ran BackSpace with Space in background and Molecule with Nitroglycerine motor on. On White, it slowed down both Backspace and Molecule output consistently. On Black, Molecule would slow down and speed up, while space would stop for minute slice of time every so often. Every time space paused molecule would speed up. All in all I am very happy with my purchase, I can't wait to get a Pentium chip to plug into it. For what I have seen so far, White is a little bit faster with performance and slighly slower with video, but my Black is only monochrome so I can live with that. If you have any questions about my machine and installation send e-mail and I will try to help. If a lot of people respond it will be a generic message, I don't want to have to create one for everyone. Once again Paul thanks for your previous message that helped alot. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C. Weintz) Subject: How to reach the NeXTDimension SIG? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 22:02:39 GMT Message-ID: <C976KG.EpE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: NeXT, NeXTDimension, SIG Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Hey, I tried contacting the "NeXTDimension SIG" at listserv@nextasy.physics. mcmaster.ca; my request "list" produced 3 mailing lists that didn't have any obvious signs of NeXTness. I got the address out of Ross & Kehoe's new book. Am I looking in the right place? All assistance warmly appreciated. Thanks! -- Steve Weintz Reg'lar E-Mail: indy@uiuc.edu archaeology, anthropology, NeXTMail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu and other 'ologies "I dunno, I'm making this up University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign as I go along." H. Jones, Jr. -- Steve Weintz Reg'lar E-Mail: indy@uiuc.edu archaeology, anthropology, NeXTMail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu and other 'ologies "I dunno, I'm making this up University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign as I go along." H. Jones, Jr.
From: mgmam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mark A. Morrell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Information requested on NeXTSTEP 486 Date: 25 Jun 1993 18:01:42 -0500 Organization: Educational Computing Network Message-ID: <20g04m$8b5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> References: <C8ty4r.Gpn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1993Jun16.220002.20087@bsu-ucs> <1993Jun25.160717@dodads.cop.dec.com> In article <1993Jun25.160717@dodads.cop.dec.com> roj@dodads.cop.dec.com (Roger Masse) writes: >>The final version of NeXTSTEP For Intel Processors will be $749 for a user >>version, and $2790 for the developer version. Higher Ed version of >>development is only $249. > >Isn't there a special 'introductory offer' on right now? like $299 for both >til >the end of June? Anyone have the number to call to order? > >__________________________________________ >Roger Masse, Digital Equipment Corporation __o > Open Systems Resource Center _ \<,_ > roj@cop.dec.com (_)/ (_) The offer lasts until the end of July, and the number is 800-TRY-NeXT (At least according to my InfoWorld mag.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Morrell Disclaimer: _I_ probably don't even believe it. mgmam@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Daniel G. Kluge) Subject: Re: NeXT and modem as answering machine Message-ID: <1993Jun25.225521.27138@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <1993Jun24.005312.21458@cs.ucla.edu> <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <tlm.740942672@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 22:55:21 GMT Tom Marchioro (tlm@iastate.edu) wrote: : In <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) writes: : >pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes: : >>Do you know of any NeXT software that implements a telephone : >>answering machine? : >There is a nice program called 'am', which works as an answering : >machine for NeXT with ZyXEL-Modem. It's still in beta, but it already : >works fine. : This is indeed a nice program, and written by a very nice guy, Jolly : Stein, but is there any hope someone will convert it to work with other : modems? Like maybe a Supra? (which I just happen to have :) Oops, no way! The Supra is an ordinary Modem consistig mainly out of two chips: A Embedded Controller A customized DSP Both Chips come from the same Manufacturer, mostly from Rockwell (AT&T, MOtorola, Exar, to name some others) which sells the needed Firmware right with the chips to the Modem-Manufacturer. Most Modem-Makers try to minimize cost bye using very few but specialized Chips. The Zyxel is a different Approach, they use standard Itesm (Ok, one Zyxel ASIC is in the Modem),they use a normal TMS 34020 or so DSP and a 68000 or 683xx, I don't remember anymore, those Modems are as well equiped with up to 512k SRAM (don't nail me on these Datas), now, this is the reason, that the Zyxel are this flexible and versatile. BOF, this was long & complicated, drop me a Mail for further questions (NOT about Zyxels, I don't have one..) or corrections. : Tom - daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: NACSCORP Delivery Date of NS/Intel Message-ID: <1993Jun25.161319.5524@news.mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management References: <C8ty4r.Gpn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1993Jun16.220002.20087@bsu-ucs> <1993Jun25.160717@dodads.cop.dec.com> Date: 25 Jun 93 16:13:18 PDT What is the currently scheduled delivery date for NS/Intel Academic Edition from NACSCORP? I placed an order 1 month ago, and it has not yet arrived. /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Thanks for your input!! Message-ID: <20f5d1$17k@parsifal.umkc.edu> From: azahid@sparc1.cstp.umkc.edu (Zahid Abbasi) Date: 25 Jun 1993 15:25:21 GMT Distribution: world Organization: University of Missouri Kansas City Originator: azahid@sparc1 I will like to thank all the folks for giving me info on NeXT and its development capabilities(Info on NeXT, 06/15/93). Regards, Zahid Abbasi.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: NeXT and modem as answering machine Message-ID: <tlm.741074121@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Jun24.005312.21458@cs.ucla.edu> <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <tlm.740942672@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <1993Jun25.225521.27138@ifi.unizh.ch> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 05:55:21 GMT In <1993Jun25.225521.27138@ifi.unizh.ch> kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Daniel G. Kluge) writes: >Tom Marchioro (tlm@iastate.edu) wrote: >: In <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) writes: >: >pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes: >: >>Do you know of any NeXT software that implements a telephone >: >>answering machine? >: >There is a nice program called 'am', which works as an answering >: >machine for NeXT with ZyXEL-Modem. It's still in beta, but it already >: >works fine. >: This is indeed a nice program, and written by a very nice guy, Jolly >: Stein, but is there any hope someone will convert it to work with other >: modems? Like maybe a Supra? (which I just happen to have :) >Oops, no way! >The Supra is an ordinary Modem consistig mainly out of two chips: >A Embedded Controller >A customized DSP >Both Chips come from the same Manufacturer, mostly from Rockwell (AT&T, >MOtorola, Exar, to name some others) which sells the needed Firmware >right with the chips to the Modem-Manufacturer. >Most Modem-Makers try to minimize cost bye using very few but >specialized Chips. >The Zyxel is a different Approach, they use standard Itesm (Ok, one >Zyxel ASIC is in the Modem),they use a normal TMS 34020 or so DSP and a >68000 or 683xx, I don't remember anymore, those Modems are as well >equiped with up to 512k SRAM (don't nail me on these Datas), now, this >is the reason, that the Zyxel are this flexible and versatile. >BOF, this was long & complicated, drop me a Mail for further questions >(NOT about Zyxels, I don't have one..) or corrections. Thanks for all the specs Daniel! I guess the bottom line is that we have to wait until Supra releases the new (and long promised! You think NS486 was a long time being born :) firmware that supports voicemail. Guess the Zyxel was just more flexible from the start.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cajho@uno.edu Subject: NeXT vs. Intel benchmarks? Message-ID: <1993Jun26.060225.27663@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 06:02:25 GMT I was wondering if anyone out there has performance benchmarks comparing NeXT hardware with Intel 486 machines? Specifically a dx/66 vs NeXTSTATION turbo, if possible. I was wanting to get some idea of how my intel box will run NeXTSTEP relative to the NeXT hardware here at school. Thanks. -- Craig Johnston | Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? cajho@uno.edu | A: Shoot him.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: netcom.com!kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) Subject: Converting typefaces (for the adventuresome geek =) Message-ID: <1993Jun25.025658.508@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 02:56:58 GMT How can one, inexpensively get some non-NeXT PS fonts into a form the NeXT can use? I offer one solution here. There's a set of type 1 PS fonts made by a company called Casady & Greene (called Fluent Laser Fonts) that I've longed for, for many years. They finally got inexpensive enough that I really had no excuse not to buy them, but naturally they are only sold in Mac or Windows flavors. There are commercial solutions to making them usable on the NeXT. The ones that I knew of then cost more than the aforementioned package ($50). So, I decided to buy the Windows versions (because they came with .afm files, but the Mac did not), and try to figure out how to convert them by hand. The process proved pretty simple. I thought I'd offer a step-by-step guide, should you, O reader, want to do this yourself. To some I'm sure it's a bit obvious and crude. But for any who were like me, it would probably save you hours of trying to figure out the differences in font file format. I have no idea if these tips work for non Fluent Laser Fonts (FLF, hereafter) typefaces (e.g. ones from other vendors, PD, etc). I'd guess that anything claiming to be a Windows .pfb font will probably work though. Step 1: The files are named with useless 8 character dos filenames: e.g. ssbflf__.pfb and ssbflf__.afm. Open either file, find the bit that says 'FontName' This is followed by the name of the font (e.g. Sans SerifFLF-Bold). Rename these files using that name (without the / or parenthesis). Thus: ssbflf__.pfb Sans SerifFLF-Bold ssbflf__.afm Sans SerifFLF-Bold.afm Put these files into a folder, and name the folder Sans SerifFLF-Bold.font (without this, the NeXT system won't even recognize that the font exists). Step 2: Tweak the font (formerly ending .pfb) file (this is the hard part) The FLF font files contained lines of text that end with only CR's. This can make them difficult to manipulate. You can't globally change all CR's to LF's, though, because there is also binary data in this file. You have to manage to work around this (see step 4 for more info). It's probably better to use Emacs than Edit here, because Edit gets confused on the first few bytes, somehow. While the file, at a glance, looks like a normal Type 1 font declaration, it's not recognized as valid by NS. Why? Because there four spots in the file with 'extra' bytes. I assume these are there for ATM to use under Windows, but NS hates them. You must delete all four of them in this file. Excape for the last, each of these sets of 'extra' bytes is of the form 0x80xxxxxx0000, where xx indicates a byte that has a variable value. -The first is the first 6 bytes in the file before the %! -The second is immediately after the eexec and CR (and thus can be viewed as the first 6 bytes of the binary data). -The third is the last 6 bytes of the binary data (just before the string of 0's) -The last one is at the very end of the file. Unlike the others, this is just 2 bytes long, and of the form 0x8003 Step 3: Make the afm file usable (I actually can't remember if this is manditory. I always did it just for legibility, though) The .afm file's lines may end in CR and LF pairs, rather than just an LF. Find some utility to strip out the CR's The remaining steps are optional. The font, now, should be installable and usable. Step 4: (optional) Making the font file easy to read The font file ends lines with CR's, not LF's, making it hard to read under Unix. Yet, the eexec data is in a raw binary format, so one can't safely change CR to LF. You can, however, change all the CR's to LF that come before the eexec command in the file (and the first byte after it as well). Likewise, change any CR's that appear after the first of the 0's in the run of 0's at the end. One can also 'hexify' the eexec data if one wishes, but this will significantly increase the size of the file. Step 5: (optional) Fix type names The FLF typeface names weren't ideal, from my POV, both because they all ended in FLF and because they sometimes made, say, BodoniUltra a separate type family from Bodoni, wheras I thought it should be a type style of the family 'bodoni' (if only to make the font panel prettier). you can modify the FamilyName and the FullName entries in *both* the afm and the font files as suits your whim. Do not touch the FontName entry in either file, though, and make sure the names you put in are the same in the two files. Step 6: (optional) Fix the weights Many of the FLF fonts had a weight of 'Medium'. This is not always accurate, especially once one has collapsed things like BodoniUltra into bodoni! Modify these, again both in the afm and the font file. Note: No, I didn't do all this by hand for the 121 typefaces in the FLF package. I wrote a hack of a uility for me to do all but the last 2 steps (it does some of #5, though). If you have any interest in it, understanding that it's a hack probably specialized for just the FLF package, I'll send it to you! \david john burrowes Disclaimer: All I know about Cassady & Greene is that they make various software, including this FLF font package that I've been craving since 1988. I have no other connection with them than as a happy customer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: NeXTStep 3.1 user installs no problem with Apple CD-300 Message-ID: <1993Jun26.092059.1994@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <1993Jun24.112741.6529@holli.uucp> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 09:20:59 GMT I should have been more specific when I mentioned that I installed NS 3.1 with the Apple CD-300. I did the upgrade from 3.0 to 3,1 on a NeXTStatio Color. -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) Subject: Re: NeXT and modem as answering machine Message-ID: <1993Jun25.080904.5881@elysia.fdn.org> Sender: luis@elysia.fdn.org Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. References: <1993Jun24.005312.21458@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 08:09:04 GMT In article <1993Jun24.005312.21458@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes: > Do you know of any NeXT software that implements a telephone > answering machine? > > -- Brad Pierce -- 23/June/1993 > Patrick Stein <jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de> has some software that works with ZyXEL modems. --- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon 92500 RUEIL-MALMAISON FRANCE [33] (1) 47 49 61 96 [33] (1) 47 14 99 08 fax luis@elysia.fdn.org (NeXTmail ok) -- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software Subject: TickleServices and stupid timeout on the 26th. Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Jun26024702@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 26 Jun 93 02:47:02 Distribution: world Organization: Is a sign of weakness Imagine my surprise and delight when I logged in this morning, June 27th, and found that TickleServices had decided to shun me. Then imagine my cheeks turning a bright red as I realized that all across the country, people are (hopefully) barely able to operate their machines due to dependance on a program that has decided they aren't acceptable users. Sigh. It's enough to make me decide to stay up even later and hack a new version without a stupid timebomb in it. This should be on the sonata archive by Sunday, probably as TickleServices1.1. If you need it, you'll have to manually set your date back a couple days, and then run the front-end, which will ask if you want to launch the daemon. Once things are running, you can set the time back to the right time. [Note that the daemon checks the time whenever you login, load the front-end, or save a .ts file. So, if you are mucking with the front-end, you'll probably want to leave the time set back a couple days.] Understand that this timebomb is in _no_ way related to forcing people to send in registrations. I don't care for that type of selling, so I always release fully enabled versions. The timebomb was never meant to be in the release version. [For those who have a morbid interest in people's flops ... what happened is that in previous beta cycles for my programs, I've noticed a big problem has been that some people will still be using a beta version months after the final release went out. The timebomb was to be a gentle reminder that I wished people to start using the _release_ version instead. Unfortunately, in the rush to release TickleServices, I apparently forgot to remove the timebomb ... This could have been a very convenient event, because I could have used this oppourtunity to release "fat" binaries that would operate on Intel machines, too. Unfortunately, I've still not received the NS3.1Dev upgrade which I was assured would ship last Friday.] Again, sorry for any disruption, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
From: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTStep 3.1 user installs no problem with Apple CD-300 Date: 26 Jun 1993 12:07:54 GMT Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University Message-ID: <20he6q$mjf@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> References: <1993Jun24.112741.6529@holli.uucp> <1993Jun26.092059.1994@netcom.com> :I should have been more specific when I mentioned that I installed NS 3.1 with :the Apple CD-300. I did the upgrade from 3.0 to 3,1 on a NeXTStatio Color. :-- So the question is: did anyone succeed to use the Apple CD-300 to upgrade from 3.0 to 3.1 on a BLACK CUBE WITH 68040? I did NOT. Take care...Paul
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP 3.1 and PLI Super Floppy 2.8 Message-ID: <16913@news.duke.edu> Date: 26 Jun 93 10:41:24 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu I sent this to Bug_NeXT, but I thought I'd throw in my $0.02 worth as well. Our system is an upgraded 68040 NeXTcube with a PLI SuperFloppy 2.8 drive and a NeXT/Sony CD-ROM unit on the SCSI bus. After upgrading to NeXTSTEP 3.1, I immediately tested some problems that had been reported on the network about errors/problems with floppies. The experience at this site showed the following: Inserting a 3.0 NeXT formatted diskette: No significant problems Inserting a DOS formatted diskette: A DOS optical disk icon appeared in the File Viewer. Inserting a Macintosh formatted diskette: An Apple optical disk icon appeared in the File Viewer. Inserting a 2.1 NeXT formatted optical disk: No significant problems. Double-clicking on files on each of these diskettes fired up the appropriate application. However, all (including the NeXT formatted diskettes) floppy types could be ejected while the applications were still running with no complaints from the Workspace Manager about being unable to eject the disk due to other applications still using it. Once the floppy was ejected, the other applications were still running with their windows still open. There was no alteration in system behavior while using the optical disk when compared to 2.1 and 3.0. Also, when the floppies were ejected, their icons would leave the shelf on the File Viewer, but would remain in the Browser with an Unknown File Type icon. This would last approximately 2-3 seconds before disappearing. This was somewhat reminiscent of the problems with diskette ejection from 3.0 that was fixed with the DiskEject.daemon. Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTSTEP 3.1 Changes in the loginwindow.app Defaults Message-ID: <16914@news.duke.edu> Date: 26 Jun 93 10:56:53 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. Originator: dblakele@raphael.acpub.duke.edu It looks like the undocumented and unsupported features of the loginwindow.app we briefly enjoyed in NeXTSTEP 3.0 is now gone again with 3.1. Folks here probably remembered Jess Anderson's thorough coverage on the features which allowed the loginwindow to migrate around the screen from changes made in the defaults database like: loginwindow MoveWhenIdle YES loginwindow MovementRate 0.0666 loginwindow MovementTimeout 300 loginwindow TimeToDim 2040 Well, it appears that these features have vaporized without a trace and we have our dandy little loginwindow with the power-off and restart switches on screen. These were probably done to unify the interface with NeXTSTEP 3.1 Intel, however, it was nice to have a simple screensaver that worked from the loginwindow. Too bad. Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Problems with Postsript Files Message-ID: <1993Jun25.142341.2497@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 14:23:41 GMT I have a problem that has been bothering me for a while. About 2 years ago NeXT send out a CD with a bunch of brochures and product info, etc. All the brochures and things were .ps files. Those files contained fonts that were not on my system. Question -- how did they do that? I and others who want to send me things have tried to save from the print panel, with every options on the pop up list. Main question (sorry if a FAQ, I haven't found it) How do you create a .ps file from any app that has fonts that the receiving person will not have? Thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ben@frogware.com (Ben Bernhard) Subject: Re: Open/Save panels Message-ID: <1993Jun24.221054.436@frogware.com> Sender: ben@frogware.com Organization: frogware References: <209qcm$qif@nic.lth.se> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 22:10:54 GMT In article <209qcm$qif@nic.lth.se> cb@loglady.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) writes: > > I have a small problem: All my open and save panels suddenly have only > one column in their browser -- which makes navigating through the file > system kinda not as easy as I'd like it to be ... I can't find any > dwrites that change the behaviour, and I don't remember what I did > that made them turn this way -- and resizing doesn't help either (not > even if I hold down any combination of modifier keys while I do so) > ... anyone help me, please ??? :-) Hmmmm, changing the size of the panels works just great for me- 3.0 black. > > best regards, and thanx in advance > > // Christian brunschen > -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ben Bernhard frogware ben@frogware.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu (James R. Saker Jr.) Subject: NS/i /usr/etc/disk on rhd1a Message-ID: <jsaker.741124760@cwis> Keywords: ns/i,disk,IDE,hdform Sender: news@news.unomaha.edu (UNO Network News Server) Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 19:59:20 GMT After installing NS/i on my home machine (2 IDE drives: 1=210MB 2=240MB), I've run into a problem trying to utilize the second drive (so I can install the developer CD). The drive was freshly formatted as a DOS drive prior to installing NS/i. It came up in my workspace as a DOS disk and selecting it showed a config.sys and such. However, when I go to format the device, (Disk-Initialize), NS gets real confused and fails at the initialization routine -- acting as if it's almost trying to initialize a floppy (is that my problem?): ---messages from Console----------------------------------------- Unknown device type (hd1) probing for CDROM probing for DOS fs_util: Unknown device type (hd1) probing for mac Unknown device type (hd1) probing for cdaudio June 26 10:54:52 Workspace[154]: DeviceInitPanel - Cannot select the default (choosingeXT instead) June 26 08:55:04 Workspace: Unmounted foreign disk at /no_name Limiting sectors to those bios-accessible, from 239674 to 239343 disk name: IDE Drive Type 47 disk type: xed_rw_ide hdform doesnt exist yet... writing disk label can't write label -- disk unusable!: I/O error Cannot eject hd1 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Any suggestions/solutions as to how to initialize this sucker? I've tried /usr/etc/disk from the shell, but it continues to complain that hdform doesnt exist yet. And once initialized, will NS place it under / properly? Thanks! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jamie Saker jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu . . Systems Engineer Business/MIS Major . . Telenational Communications Univ. Nebraska at Omaha . . voice: (402) 392-7548 . . fax: (402) 391-7283 . . Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are mine and not my employers, . . nor the University of Nebraska at Omaha's. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . p.s. If anyone from NeXT is watching, you might want to check your fax-on- demand system for problems w/ triplicate digits in the user's fax number verification routine -- entering a fax number of: 402-451-1540 causes it to disconnect the call upon speaking the last four. Likewise, it does it on other repeated digits (from my experience). Sounds like Copia's FaxFacts to me...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: fo6r@ellis.uchicago.edu (Eric's NeXT Fortune) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP 3.1 Changes in the loginwindow.app Defaults Message-ID: <1993Jun26.220930.26091@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Distribution: na Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 22:09:30 GMT dblakele@acpub.duke.edu writes: >It looks like the undocumented and unsupported features of the >loginwindow.app we briefly enjoyed in NeXTSTEP 3.0 is now gone again >with 3.1. Folks here probably remembered Jess Anderson's thorough >coverage on the features which allowed the loginwindow to migrate >around the screen from changes made in the defaults database like: This from the README from the unixdaemon loginwindow tiff by Carl Edman. -------------------- And because this is such a miniscule matter, here is a undocumented feature NS 3.1 feature absolutely free of charge. The moving loginwindow may be gone for good, but at least now there is a screensaver built into the login window. To enable it (again as root): % dwrite loginwindow ScreenSaverEnabled YES To set the dimming time to 60 seconds: % dwrite loginwindow TimeToDim 60 Carl Edman 6-15-93 <cedman@princeton.edu> ---------------------- This works, and yes, the NeXTCube and the title move around. Personally, I prefer this new screensaver to the moving loginwindow. Yet another reason to go from 3.0 to 3.1 :) - eric fortune fo6r@midway.uchicago.edu NeXTMail accepted but not preferred
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard O'Neill) Subject: Cropping a TIFF image (How?) Message-ID: <1993Jun26.213249.24204@cs.sfu.ca> Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 21:32:49 GMT I have TIFF I'd like to trim a little. It seems like such a simple little task, but I can't seem to do it. It's an 8-bit greyscale TIFF, and if I try to use IconBuilder, it screws up the resolution somehow. I thought I once saw an app called "Crop.app", but I seem to be mistaken. I'm only interested in non-commercial solutions to the problem, both because it's a very simple task, and I only need to trim a couple of TIFFs. Your help and suggestions would be appreciated. I'd prefer replies via e-mail; I'll summarise if there is demand. (I will read posted replies too though). Best regards, Richard. (I'll enclose the TIFF header, just in case it helps) Directory at 0x8 Subfile Type: (0 = 0x0) Image Width: 824 Image Length: 1140 Resolution: 300, 300 Resolution Unit: pixels/inch Bits/Sample: 8 Compression Scheme: none Photometric Interpretation: "min-is-black" Predictor: none Samples/Pixel: 1 Rows/Strip: 1140 Number of Strips: 1 Planar Configuration: Not planar
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NEC CD-ROM woes... Message-ID: <1993Jun26.064848.1580@imani.cam.org> Date: 26 Jun 93 06:48:48 GMT References: <1993Jun24.060644.1275@microsoft.com> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1993Jun24.060644.1275@microsoft.com> jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: > I have attempted to install NEXTSTEP/FIP on a DELL 486D/50, 32Mb RAM, and > WD/Paradise SVGA adapter. I also have a NEC MultiSpin CDROM drive attached > via a Trantor T130b SCSI card. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Can't find his board on the compatibility list. Do you _know_ it to be compatible? THIS might be the problem. Check it out. Ciao > I am able to boot to the floppy disk, however after scrolling through a few > messages (regarding keyboard/mouse/etc) I get the message: > > No CD-ROM drive found > use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d > root device? > > However, I am able to read this CDROM from DOS, Win31, and WinNT. In a > feeble attempt to troubleshoot, I pulled out the net card (a DEC Etherworks > Turbo/TP) and my MS inport mouse card (I know that device isn't supported, > so I used a serial mouse), but this was to no avail. > > Has anyone successfully installed NS/FIP with a similar configuration? > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions, > -Jeff > jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson > -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - CAREFUL!! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jmeacham@ants.edu (James D. Meacham 3rd) Subject: A way to set tcsh as Workspace Shell in 2.1? Message-ID: <1993Jun25.202900.820@ants.edu> Sender: jmeacham@ants.edu Organization: Andover Newton Theological School Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 20:29:00 GMT I've come to really like tcsh lateley, and I was wondering, is there a way to set tcsh as the default shell from the Workspace, so that when I hit cmnd-U I'll get tcsh rather than csh? Thanks in advance, James MEacham -- James David Meacham, 3rd Andover Newton Theological School e-mail:jmeacham@ants.edu 210 Herrick Rd. Phone: 617-787-5668 Newton Centre, MA 02159 NeXTMAIL accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: WANTED: Yosemite raster image Message-ID: <1993Jun26.192335.3528@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <20f1eaINNjof@cliffy.eng.gtefsd.com> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 19:23:35 GMT In article <20f1eaINNjof@cliffy.eng.gtefsd.com> noss@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (Jim Noss) writes: > > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Yosemite picture > (Gif or Raster image) that was part of the NeXT 1.0 Demos? > On a slightly related topic (and as a lot of NeXTheads are based in the SF area), I'd love to get hold of a PhotoCD of Ansel Adams work. I tried to pick up some slides when I was at Expo, so that I could build my own, but the gallery didn't have any. Any ideas? -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Daniel G. Kluge) Subject: Re: NeXT and modem as answering machine Message-ID: <1993Jun26.234602.19824@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <1993Jun24.005312.21458@cs.ucla.edu> <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <tlm.740942672@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <1993Jun25.225521.27138@ifi.unizh.ch> <tlm.741074121@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 23:46:02 GMT Tom Marchioro (tlm@iastate.edu) wrote: : In <1993Jun25.225521.27138@ifi.unizh.ch> kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Daniel G. Kluge) writes: : >Tom Marchioro (tlm@iastate.edu) wrote: : >: In <20c9lh$4fj@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> kiwi@cs.tu-berlin.de (Axel Habermann) writes: : >: >pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes: : >: >>Do you know of any NeXT software that implements a telephone [ munch ] : Thanks for all the specs Daniel! I guess the bottom line is that we have to : wait until Supra releases the new (and long promised! You think NS486 : was a long time being born :) firmware that supports voicemail. Guess : the Zyxel was just more flexible from the start. I don't think so, as I said, the used chips are specialized, the code for unscrambling the data form the tel line is hard wired, and NOT in the Firmware.. Also the Horse-Power of the chips is normally just enough for the normal job, nothing to spare.... SO if I wasn't clear enough (because it was clear to me), there is NO way for normal Modems (IMHO) to gain voic-mail capablities... -daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: shill@ccsi.com (Sean L. Hill) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP 3.1 Changes in the loginwindow.app Defaults Message-ID: <1993Jun27.003843.1738@ccsi.com> Sender: shill@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <16914@news.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 00:38:43 GMT In article <16914@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu writes: > It looks like the undocumented and unsupported features of the > loginwindow.app we briefly enjoyed in NeXTSTEP 3.0 is now gone again [munch] > > Well, it appears that these features have vaporized without a trace > and we have our dandy little loginwindow with the power-off and restart > switches on screen. These were probably done to unify the interface > with NeXTSTEP 3.1 Intel, however, it was nice to have a simple > screensaver that worked from the loginwindow. Too bad. > > Peace > > > -- > | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no There is a nice (?) screensaver built in. The defaults database settings are: loginwindow ScreenSaverEnabled Yes loginwindow TimeToDim 60 (or whatever...) There may be more, but this gets it going.... -- Sean L. Hill Ergo Science Incorporated shill@ccsi.com Compuserve: 73667,3355
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: The first fast && smart Sokoban now available Message-ID: <1993Jun27.043039.19224@venice.sedd.trw.com> Originator: verket@verket-home Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <1993Jun25.184858.13356@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 04:30:39 GMT In article <1993Jun25.184858.13356@news.lrz-muenchen.de> jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Jolly alias Patrick) writes: > I uploaded it to sonata.cc.purdue.edu > and ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de > > Filename is FastSokoban.tar.Z The sonata copy appeared to be short a few kilobytes (as does their "00ls-lR" at 0 bytes!). I got a copy from Germany, verified its completeness and submitted it to cs.orst.edu. Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HELP! Forgot How Sendmail is Configured Date: 27 Jun 1993 12:40:39 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <20k4g7$cab@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Hello, I recently aquired a new machine, and have uucp up (BTW, where can I get Taylor UUCP?). BUT I have forgot what precisely to do to sendmail.cf and its links to get mail to go OUT. It comes in, but reports "host unknown" when going out. Help! Thanks Robert de Lucca robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thor@sushi.uib.no Subject: Re: SLIP and NewsGrazer Message-ID: <1993Jun27.175024.15873@alf.uib.no> Sender: usenet@alf.uib.no (Bergen University Newsaccount) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway References: <ynakamur.741036274@sfu.ca> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 93 17:50:24 GMT In article <ynakamur.741036274@sfu.ca> ynakamur@malibu.sfu.ca (Yasunobu Nakamura) writes: > Hi all, > > can you use NewsGrazer with SLIP? If so, what Server name do you specify? Thanksa bunch (^^) > Yes. The "normal" server name - i.e the same news server you would use from a networked machine. Your admin probably will have to add you to the database of machines allowed to read news. > ->Mike > E-mail: ynakamur@sfu.ca Regards (while reading news via NewsGrazer over a SLIP link :-), -- Thor Legvold | "This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known..." University of Bergen | -Jim Morrison, The Doors NORWAY | edmtl@edb.uib.no Yes. The "normal" server name - i.e the same news server you would use from a networked machine. Your admin probably will have to add you to the database of machines allowed to read news. > ->Mike > E-mail: ynakamur@sfu.ca Regards (while reading news via NewsGrazer over a SLIP link :-), -- Thor Legvold | "This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader $BcV(J
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu (James R. Saker Jr.) Subject: NS/i: Install CD missing working /usr/etc/hdform??? Message-ID: <jsaker.741207676@cwis> Keywords: hdform,NS/i,hd-won't-format Sender: news@news.unomaha.edu (UNO Network News Server) Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 19:01:16 GMT Following up on my original post about NS/i not allowing me to format a second IDE drive, I'm leaning towards believing the problem is a disabled/inoperable /usr/etc/hdform binary. If you look at the console log on an attempt to format the second disk for NS/i (presently formatted as a DOS-16 drive), you'll notice that hdform does nothing, and the subsequent steps seem to ack because hdform didn't do it's job: After issuing the disk command (disk -i etc. etc. /dev/rhd1h): ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Limiting sectors to those bios-accessible, from 239674 to 239343 /* Really? */ disk name: IDE Drive Type 47 disk type: fixed_rw_ide hdform doesnt exist yet... /* Is hdform not working yet, NeXT? */ hdform doesnt exist yet... /* Ditto */ writing disk label /* Only able to work if disk _was_ formatted */ can't write label -- disk unusable!: I/O error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This all seems logical if hdform doesn't work yet, but I can't find a reference to it in my materials. Can anyone verify whether NS/i /usr/etc/hdform works or also generates the "hdform doesnt exist yet" message? Info on my hdform shows: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 46 Apr 29 03:10 /usr/etc/hdform* which leaves me 99% convinced that the problem is that hdform probably only consists of a printf("hdform doesnt exist yet\n"); (Maybe NeXT has a bunch of NS-formatted drives they want to dump still from the old hardware business;-) ). Any comments/confirmations? We're 900-blocked here, so Microso...er..NeXT 900 support is out of the question. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jamie Saker jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu . . Systems Engineer Business/MIS Major . . Telenational Communications Univ. Nebraska at Omaha . . voice: (402) 392-7548 . . fax: (402) 391-7283 . . Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are mine and not my employers, . . nor the University of Nebraska at Omaha's. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: NeXTDimension SIG - dead but not doomed Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 19:38:28 GMT Message-ID: <C9Ap84.BCJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: NeXTDimension, SIG Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Well, it turns out that the NeXTDimension SIG at McMaster University is "not no more" - the death of black hardware and general lack of posts led to its demise. However, Timothy Reed is setting up a new list in August. Thanks to Timothy Reed (treed@gun.com) Steven M. Boker (boker@virginia.edu) Pascal Gaudette (pascal@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.edu) for their generous assistance. Pascal was the maintainer of the list, and many thanks to him. What a great community! (such experiences get me through those times when my enthusiasm is met with a grimace and, "Uhh... NeXT...yeah. Why d'ya wanna deal with those?") Regards, Steve Weintz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP 3.1 Changes in the loginwindow.app Defaults Message-ID: <C9Av0M.KtH@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <1993Jun27.003843.1738@ccsi.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 21:42:17 GMT Has anyone spent the couple minutes it may take to build their own screensaver.bundle? In otherwords, does anyone have the API or deduced the API, or should I try and do that yet tonight? peter -- peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) dig. Sean L. Hill writes > In article <16914@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu writes: > > It looks like the undocumented and unsupported features of the > > loginwindow.app we briefly enjoyed in NeXTSTEP 3.0 is now gone again > [munch] > > > > switches on screen. These were probably done to unify the interface > > with NeXTSTEP 3.1 Intel, however, it was nice to have a simple > > screensaver that worked from the loginwindow. Too bad. > > > > Peace > > > > > > -- > > | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no > > There is a nice (?) screensaver built in. The defaults database settings > are: > > loginwindow ScreenSaverEnabled Yes > loginwindow TimeToDim 60 (or whatever...) > > There may be more, but this gets it going.... > -- > Sean L. Hill > Ergo Science Incorporated > shill@ccsi.com Compuserve: 73667,3355
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson@biztech.com (Ken Anderson) Subject: Re: SLIP and NewsGrazer Message-ID: <1993Jun27.060236.6371@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <ynakamur.741036274@sfu.ca> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 06:02:36 GMT In article <ynakamur.741036274@sfu.ca> ynakamur@malibu.sfu.ca (Yasunobu Nakamura) writes: > Hi all, > > can you use NewsGrazer with SLIP? If so, what Server name do you specify? Thanksa bunch (^^) > > ->Mike > E-mail: ynakamur@sfu.ca Mike, You can certainly use NewsGrazer through SLIP. The server name should be the same as the one you would use on the other side of the SLIP link. As long as that machine name is in NetInfo on the remote side, you should be OK. In fact, I'm currently using NewsGrazer over SLIP. Ken Anderson anderson@biztech.com Stamford, CT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: edmiston@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Daryl R Edmiston) Subject: NS/I on a Royal pc Message-ID: <C9B32B.7CC@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> Sender: news@noose.ecn.purdue.edu (USENET news) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 00:37:22 GMT I have been considering buying a Royal pc to (eventually) run NS/I on and was wondering if anyone has successfully installed on one of these machines. They say that their motherboard is their own and so that was not much help, other than that, it looks like it may be an inexpensive machine to get working. If anyone has info please e-mail ( also any service related info would be helpful) thanks, daryl edmiston@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Looking for Folks at **PiXY** Message-ID: <1993Jun28.012640.18248@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <20d17a$9uc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Jun25.150202.20412@socrates.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 01:26:40 GMT +1 415 666 3861 voice +1 415 666 0313 FAX -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-805? Message-ID: <chris.741230347@vincent2.iastate.edu> Summary: Which one is the best under NS/FIP? Keywords: ATI,ATI Ultra Pro,S3 Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 01:19:07 GMT An ATI Ultra Pro with 2M VRAM and an S3-805... which is the best for NS/FIP? I'm trying to get an DEC MTE VESA/EISA to run NS/FIP. But they don't carry ATI Ultra Pro, they have S3-805, which costs me $600!!! Anyone using S3-805 or ATI Ultra Pro? Thank you for any information! Chris. -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Truecolor under NS/FIP? Message-ID: <chris.741230827@vincent2.iastate.edu> Summary: Is it possible? Keywords: Truecolor Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 01:27:07 GMT Is it possible to display truecolor pictures under NS/FIP? I don't have the ability to display color with my machine and NS/FIP. Thanks for any information. Chris. -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: SoftPC/Windows out? Message-ID: <chris.741230958@vincent2.iastate.edu> Summary: Is it avaliable now? Keywords: SoftPC,Windows Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 01:29:18 GMT How much is SoftPC/Windows? Is it avaliable yet? Is there an educational price for SoftPC/Windows? Thanks you any information. I'm in love with NS/FIP. Chris. -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
From: statman@stat.ufl.edu (charles d. kincaid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help for Oxyd2.1 level 9??? Date: 28 Jun 1993 03:49:51 GMT Organization: University of Florida Message-ID: <20lpovINNg9e@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> Hello, I can't seem to figure out how to solve level 9 of Oxyd2.1. Can someone give me a hint that puts me on the right path, but doesnt' give it away? I don't want the ANSWER. I just want the A. :-) Thank you ever so much. -- Sincerely, charles d. kincaid -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dept. of Statistics 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!' Univ. of Florida Pres: G-ville NeXT Users Group NeXTMail preferred
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP 3.1 Changes in the loginwindow.app Defaults Message-ID: <1993Jun28.051131.26723@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun27.003843.1738@ccsi.com> <C9Av0M.KtH@news.cis.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 05:11:31 GMT In article <C9Av0M.KtH@news.cis.umn.edu> peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) writes: >Has anyone spent the couple minutes it may take to build their own >screensaver.bundle? In otherwords, does anyone have the API or deduced >the API, or should I try and do that yet tonight? Here's a hint. [Interesting... the .nib describes a setTimeout: action that doesn't seem to be part of the ScreenSaver class.] It also makes external references to lwHostName and makeWindowBlack. -=EPS=- ------- @interface ImageView:View { id image; id hostname; NXRect textFrame; NXRect imageFrame; id screenWindows; } - (double)interval; - startScreenSaver; - stopScreenSaver; - init; - initFrame:(const NXRect *)frameRect; - oneStep; - moveText; - moveImage; - drawSelf:(const NXRect *)rects :(int)rectCount; @end @interface ScreenSaver:Object { id view; id saver; id imageSaver; id selector; float timeout; id pie; id timeout_field; DPSTimedEntry te; } + alloc; - step; - createScreenSaver; - stopScreenSaver; - startScreenSaver; @end
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Re: A way to set tcsh as Workspace Shell in 2.1? Message-ID: <1993Jun28.112235.19271@news.csuohio.edu> Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University References: <1993Jun25.202900.820@ants.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 11:22:35 GMT James D. Meacham 3rd (jmeacham@ants.edu) wrote: : I've come to really like tcsh lateley, and I was wondering, is there a way to : set tcsh as the default shell from the Workspace, so that when I hit cmnd-U : I'll get tcsh rather than csh? Thanks in advance, : James MEacham No problemo. Do (you must be able to su to root) an nu -m and change the default shell from /bin/csh to wherever your tcsh is located. That will become your default shell. Stuart also allows you to change the default Stuart shell in its preferences. Cowboy -- | Joe Rosenfeld cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu | CSU Law Library j.rosenfeld@csuohio.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jds@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (John D Stanhope) Subject: NASCORP shipping NS/FIP yet ? Message-ID: <1993Jun28.130447.25884@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> Sender: news@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 13:04:47 GMT I called my uninversity bookstore the day I found out the pricing on NS and told them to order me a copy the instant they could. It now been 2 weeks since it was supposed to ship and I'm still waiting. Has anyone got their copy yet? When I asked the cleark he said some other people had ordered it but were waiting on some agreement with IBM, or some nonsense like that. PLEASE, I WANT MY NeXTSTEP. John Stanhope
From: glenn@iridium.digex.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: SLIP and NewsGrazer Date: 28 Jun 1993 15:08:43 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <20n1hs$3vh@news1.digex.net> References: <1993Jun27.060236.6371@biztech.com> In article <1993Jun27.060236.6371@biztech.com> anderson@biztech.com (Ken Anderson) writes: > In article <ynakamur.741036274@sfu.ca> ynakamur@malibu.sfu.ca (Yasunobu > Nakamura) writes: > > Hi all, > > > > can you use NewsGrazer with SLIP? If so, what Server name do you > specify? Thanksa bunch (^^) > > > > ->Mike > > E-mail: ynakamur@sfu.ca > > Mike, > > You can certainly use NewsGrazer through SLIP. The server name > should be the same as the one you would use on the other side of the SLIP > link. As long as that machine name is in NetInfo on the remote side, you > should be OK. In fact, I'm currently using NewsGrazer over SLIP. > > Ken Anderson > anderson@biztech.com > Stamford, CT Not necessarily, it should be set to the machine which your sysadmin has designated as the nntp server. I am currently using SLIP and NewsGrazer, but I connect to pm1.digex.net for SLIP and then to news1.digex.net for nntp server. Just a small clarification, Glenn -- Glenn D. Rempe (NeXTMAIL) glenn@iridium.digex.net
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: A way to set tcsh as Workspace Shell in 2.1? Date: 28 Jun 1993 15:45:46 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <20n3naINNfv7@golden.kaleida.com> References: <1993Jun28.112235.19271@news.csuohio.edu> In article <1993Jun28.112235.19271@news.csuohio.edu> cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes: > > No problemo. Do (you must be able to su to root) an nu -m and change > the default shell from /bin/csh to wherever your tcsh is located. That > will become your default shell. Stuart also allows you to change the > default Stuart shell in its preferences. > Having just done this, you have to do one more thing or the loginwindow will freak out! In /etc/shells, add a line with the full path to your tcsh binary. This basically 'advertises' the fact that tcsh is a valid shell to use. I would also suggest that you use UserManager to make the modification. It all depends on how command line oriented you are. Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Word Processor, R-T-F would be nice Date: 25 Jun 93 12:56:09 GMT Organization: IGD Message-ID: <neuss.741012969@ramazzotti> References: <1993Jun17.082344.4344@prim> <1vqqp6INNpe@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) writes: [on RTF from other plattforms] >For people out there who are wondering what to do with all their Mac files I >would recommend using Convert{RTF,PICT,TEXT,etc}. All my reports written on a >Mac were converted to RTF using MS-Word and then thrown into ConvertRTF. >Now I have them on my NeXT with pictures and everything (except for >the formulas written in MS-Word). I have a similar problem.. instead of writing my own RTF->RTF converter, perhaps I could just use this ConvertRTF :-) ... Could some kind soul tell me where to find these tools? Archie hasn't been able to locate them? (I should add though, that I have the suspicion that our European Archie servers are not uptodate.) Thanx a bunch in advance, Chris /* * Christian Neuss % neuss@igd.fhg.de % ..in the humdrum */
From: lu-chien-ping@cs.yale.edu (Chien-Ping Lu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Installing NS/FIP with SCSI on a sound card? Date: 28 Jun 1993 13:55:56 -0400 Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Distribution: world Message-ID: <20nbbcINNcbm@CATEGORY.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> I have NEC CD-ROM (CDR 84) reader hooked on a PAS 16 sound card. Can I install NS/FIP simply with the tiny SCSI controller on PAS 16? Apparently, this tiny SCSI controller is not on the hardware compat. list. Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: sfch@dmu.ac.uk (Simon F C Harwood) Subject: Re: Cable to connect 68040 CPU board to Canon OD (omd-1) Message-ID: <1993Jun28.174809.23746@dmu.ac.uk> Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK. Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 17:48:09 GMT This problem has now been resolved. Simon.. -- Simon Harwood, Research Technician, Phone: (+44)(0)533 551551 x7915 De Montfort University, The Gateway, Fax : (+44)(0)533 577574 LEICESTER, LE1 9BH UK. E-mail: sfch@uk.ac.dmu (JANET), sfch@dmu.ac.uk (Internet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: Installing NS/FIP with SCSI on a sound card? Message-ID: <chris.741294436@vincent2.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <20nbbcINNcbm@CATEGORY.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 19:07:16 GMT In <20nbbcINNcbm@CATEGORY.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> lu-chien-ping@cs.yale.edu (Chien-Ping Lu) writes: >I have NEC CD-ROM (CDR 84) reader hooked on a PAS 16 sound card. >Can I install NS/FIP simply with the tiny SCSI controller on PAS 16? >Apparently, this tiny SCSI controller is not on the hardware compat. >list. I don't think you can. The only ISA SCSI interface supported is the Adapter 1542B/C. >Thanks. -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: VESA SCSI or EISA SCSI? Message-ID: <chris.741301744@vincent1.iastate.edu> Keywords: SCSI,VESA,EISA Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 21:09:04 GMT How is the performance of a VESA SCSI and EISA SCSI interface differ in the following conditions: 1) under EISA MB with VESA Slot (32-bits addressing 4 GB) 2) under ISA MB with VESA Slot (24-bits addressing limit 16 MB) Is a hardware cached controller beneficial under a 32-bit OS, e.g., OS/2, Linux and NeXTSTEP/Mach/FIP? Thanks for any information. Chris. -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu (James R. Saker Jr.) Subject: Re: Installing NS/FIP with SCSI on a sound card? Message-ID: <jsaker.741301371@cwis> Sender: news@news.unomaha.edu (UNO Network News Server) Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha References: <20nbbcINNcbm@CATEGORY.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> <chris.741294436@vincent2.iastate.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 21:02:51 GMT chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: >In <20nbbcINNcbm@CATEGORY.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU> lu-chien-ping@cs.yale.edu (Chien-Ping Lu) writes: >Adapter 1542B/C. >>Thanks. I called Future Domain tech support today and checked to see if they had plans to support NS/i. Their tech indicated that NeXT was currently developing one for their TMC SCSI controller. Can anyone confirm this? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jamie Saker jsaker@cwis.unomaha.edu . . Systems Engineer Business/MIS Major . . Telenational Communications Univ. Nebraska at Omaha . . voice: (402) 392-7548 . . fax: (402) 391-7283 . . Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are mine and not my employers, . . nor the University of Nebraska at Omaha's. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: peter@corsica (Peter Eisch) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP 3.1 Changes in the loginwindow.app Defaults Message-ID: <C9Cq37.K36@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <1993Jun27.003843.1738@ccsi.com> <C9Av0M.KtH@news.cis.umn.edu> <1993Jun28.051131.26723@csus.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 21:46:53 GMT There's a timeout nib in the app. It looks like something that would be brought up when someone would do some special command-click on the letters in NEXTSTEP that spell 'screensaver' or something goofy. Maybe there was supposed to be another button on that panel... Eric P. Scott (eps@futon.SFSU.EDU) wrote: : [Interesting... the .nib describes a setTimeout: action that : doesn't seem to be part of the ScreenSaver class.] : It also makes external references to lwHostName and makeWindowBlack. : -=EPS=- -- peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) dig.
From: lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Date: 28 Jun 1993 22:49:53 GMT Organization: University of California, San Diego Message-ID: <20nsihINNpf7@network.ucsd.edu> References: <200qofINN7ge@network.ucsd.edu> <1993Jun21.171137.841@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> <20alb3INNkc@network.ucsd.edu> In article <20alb3INNkc@network.ucsd.edu> lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) writes: >In article <1993Jun21.171137.841@nugget.rmNUG.ORG> garrett@renaissance.com writes: >> >>: >>:Did you conveniently omit comp.os.os2.* from your list? >>: >>:What about comp.os.linux? >>: >>:comp.os.os2.misc alone probably has more traffic than all the >>:next groups put together. >>: >>:alann >>: >>:alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989 >> >> >>That's strange. Somebody connected to the internet told me that NeXT news >>groups have the highest use of any individual OS. Are there any hard facts >>for your claim? > >NO, No hard facts -- I just happen to try to read both everyday. >Try reading both comp.os.os2.misc and comp.sys.next.misc for >a week and I'm sure it will become obvious which group has the >highest use. Also, don't forget that OS/2 has 13 newsgroups >(last time I counted) and Next has 6 or 7 maybe 8. > >Again, only from my experience -- comp.os.linux has even >heigher use, but until they add the new groups, it is not >such a fair comparison. > >alann > > >alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989 This should give you a reasonable idea of the activity in both the comp.sys.next and the comp.os.os2 I guess I wasn't too far off when I suggested that there was probably more activity in the comp.os.os2.misc than in all the next groups put together. alann alann lopes: alopes@ucsd.edu (619) 534-5438 (619) 453-3989 All groups zeroed at 3:46PM on Sunday 6/27/93 Articles received at our site from Sunday (6/27/93) at 3:46PM PST to Monday (6/28/93) 3:34pm PST : ******** 0 unread articles in comp.sys.next--read now? [ynq] ******** 26 unread articles in comp.sys.next.advocacy--read now? [ynq] ******** 10 unread articles in comp.sys.next.hardware--read now? [ynq] ******** 10 unread articles in comp.sys.next.marketplace--read now? [ynq] ******** 16 unread articles in comp.sys.next.software--read now? [ynq] ******** 0 unread articles in comp.sys.next.announce--read now? [ynq] ******** 18 unread articles in comp.sys.next.misc--read now? [ynq] ******** 19 unread articles in comp.sys.next.programmer--read now? [ynq] ******** 14 unread articles in comp.sys.next.sysadmin--read now? [ynq] ******** 1 unread article in comp.sys.next.bugs--read now? [ynq] ******** 3 unread articles in comp.soft-sys.nextstep--read now? [ynq] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ******** 133 unread articles in comp.os.os2.misc--read now? [ynq] ******** 32 unread articles in comp.os.os2.apps--read now? [ynq] ******** 16 unread articles in comp.os.os2.programmer--read now? [ynq] ******** 73 unread articles in comp.os.os2.advocacy--read now? [ynq] ******** 17 unread articles in comp.os.os2.networking--read now? [ynq] ******** 2 unread articles in comp.os.os2.beta--read now? [ynq] ******** 0 unread articles in comp.os.os2.ver1x--read now? [ynq] ******** 3 unread articles in comp.os.os2.announce--read now? [ynq] ******** 14 unread articles in comp.os.os2.multimedia--read now? [ynq] ******** 23 unread articles in comp.os.os2.programmer.misc--read now? [ynq] ******** 26 unread articles in comp.os.os2.setup--read now? [ynq] ******** 27 unread articles in comp.os.os2.bugs--read now? [ynq] ******** 5 unread articles in comp.os.os2.programmer.porting--read now? [ynq] ******** 0 unread articles in comp.os.os2.ver1x--read now? [ynq]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cajho@uno.edu Subject: a number of NeXTSTEP questions. Message-ID: <1993Jun28.222522.17962@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 22:25:22 GMT Hi. I'm a potential new user of NeXTSTEP 486, and had a few questions I was hoping folks could answer. First, how similar is programming for NeXTSTEP to programming for un*x? I believe I know that NeXTSTEP has a mach kernel and and is 4.3 BSDish. How much would a background in un*x system programming help? Secondly-- How much and what quality free/shareware programs are there for NeXTSTEP? I'm not anticipating being able to afford buying commercial software... will stuff written for standard unices port? What about X? Would it be possible to get by on available free software? Thirdly, will one be able to run applications on a remote X server? Is there something more to buy if I want to do this? Thanks in advance. -- Craig Johnston | Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? cajho@uno.edu | A: Shoot him.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) Subject: NS/FIP netboot? Message-ID: <C9CuFJ.Fzy.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 23:26:06 GMT Can one run a NS/FIP workstation as a dataless workstation, getting almost all of its files from a server and having only swap and /tmp local? I'm wondering if a 486DX-25/8M/VGA/network/14"mono-monitor system with perhaps an 80M IDE swapdrive could serve as a NS/FIP *terminal*, with most applications running on a maxed-out Pentium/HP/whatever in the basement or something like that. This could be economical if you want to move a whole group to NS/FIP. You'd only need the user license on all the end-user machines, with the developer license on the server, so that's another cost you could cut out. -- Doug DeJulio ddj+@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: NeXTStep Programming books Message-ID: <1993Jun28.225151.14342@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <1993Jun23.142715.11428@dcc.uchile.cl> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 22:51:51 GMT In article <1993Jun23.142715.11428@dcc.uchile.cl> cbliek@dcc.uchile.cl (Christian Bliek) writes: > From what I heard on the net there are two introductory NeXTStep > Programming books: > > 1) NeXTStep Programming - Step One: Object Oriented Applications > by Simson L. Garfinkel & Machael K. Mahoney > > 2) NeXTStep Programming: Concepts and Applications > by Alex Duong Nghiem > > Based on the titles it's kind of hard to decide which one to get! > Anyone care to comment? In my opinion, (2) is for someone new to Object Oriented programming. (1) is for the competent OO programmer who just wants to get up to speed on writing real applications under NEXTSTEP. I have (1) and found it very useful and well written. I flipped through a copy of (2) for about 10 minutes (and downloaded the TOC and code a few months ago). It also seemed useful and well written, but that was my impression after a rather cursory look. In general, it seems that (2) is for the less experienced OO programmer who wants to begin to understand OO in a NEXTSTEP context. (1) is for someone who is ready to start writing NEXSTEP apps. Hope that helps. -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: anderson (Ken Anderson) Subject: Re: HELP! Forgot How Sendmail is Configured Message-ID: <1993Jun27.180932.7970@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <20k4g7$cab@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 18:09:32 GMT In article <20k4g7$cab@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) writes: >Hello, > >I recently aquired a new machine, and have uucp up >(BTW, where can I get Taylor UUCP?). BUT I have >forgot what precisely to do to sendmail.cf >and its links to get mail to go OUT. It comes >in, but reports "host unknown" when going out. >Help! > >Thanks > >Robert de Lucca >robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Robert, I'm assuming you're talking about being on a stand-alone NeXT without a network. All you have to do is link sendmail.cf to sendmail.mailhost.cf (or a copy), and edit that sendmail file in 2 places. First off, you can have an entry in net-info for mail-relay, or you can change lines 38 & 39 to the correct machine name for your UUCP host: DR mail-relay CR mail-relay Then you should remove the comment character '#' from line 342, and add it to line 344. change: # If you want to pass all other explicit domain names up the ladder # to our forwarder then uncomment the following line. #R$*<@$*.$+>$* $#$M $@$R $:$1<@$2.$3>$4 user@any.domain # and comment out this one. R$*<@$+.$->$* $#ddn $@ $2.$3 $:$1<@$2.$3>$4 user@any.domain to: # If you want to pass all other explicit domain names up the ladder # to our forwarder then uncomment the following line. R$*<@$*.$+>$* $#$M $@$R $:$1<@$2.$3>$4 user@any.domain # and comment out this one. #R$*<@$+.$->$* $#ddn $@ $2.$3 $:$1<@$2.$3>$4 user@any.domain Good luck! Ken Anderson anderson@biztech.com Stamford, CT
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NextSTEP too late? (was Re: was Re: CFD: Proposed name change) Date: 29 Jun 1993 02:38:39 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <20o9vf$b14@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <m1sj73INNh78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1993Jun16.221539.4387@gleap.jpunix.com> <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> In article <m2270qINN96c@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, toddb@mr2.Corp.Sun.COM (Todd Bernhard) writes: < stuff deleted > |> |> >Is Sun (primarily) a hardware company or a software company? (I |> >believe its a hardware company). |> |> SunSoft is a software company. Sun Microsystems Computer Company (my |> employer) is a hardware company. SunSoft ports to SPARC, Intel, and |> PowerPC (soon). SMCC runs Solaris, NetWare, DOS (SunPC), and Windows |> (Wabi). Each of those are leaders in their field. |> |> < stuff deleted > |> |> ---todd |> |> -- |> Todd Bernhard, Evangelist, Product Marketing, |> Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation |> toddb@Sun.COM <my opinions are just that> |> I just asked about this on the comp.sys.sun group The general opinion was that they may be in some sences seperate companies, but in practice they are not, and under some definitions of companies...I belive the stock markets, but I could be wrong, they are infact the same company. just sturing the pot. john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP 3.1 and PLI Super Floppy 2.8 Message-ID: <1993Jun29.031741.1638@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <16913@news.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 03:17:41 GMT In article <16913@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu writes: > I sent this to Bug_NeXT, but I thought I'd throw in my $0.02 worth > as well. > > Our system is an upgraded 68040 NeXTcube with a PLI > SuperFloppy 2.8 drive and a NeXT/Sony CD-ROM unit > on the SCSI bus. After upgrading to NeXTSTEP 3.1, I > immediately tested some problems that had been reported > on the network about errors/problems with floppies. > The experience at this site showed the following: > [bunch of tests deleted] Did you try formatting disks (NS, DOS and Mac formats)? That's what I heard to have been the problem. I'd like to know since I have a PLI 2.8 Ciao, and thanks > > Peace > -- > | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | > | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | > | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | > | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> | -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Problems with Postsript Files Message-ID: <1993Jun29.032100.1696@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993Jun25.142341.2497@weston.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 03:21:00 GMT In article <1993Jun25.142341.2497@weston.com> jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) writes: > I have a problem that has been bothering me for a while. About 2 years > ago NeXT send out a CD with a bunch of brochures and product info, etc. > All the brochures and things were .ps files. Those files contained fonts > that were not on my system. > > Question -- how did they do that? I and others who want to send me things > have tried to save from the print panel, with every options on the pop up > list. > > Main question (sorry if a FAQ, I haven't found it) > > How do you create a .ps file from any app that has fonts that the > receiving person will not have? Can't you do "Save...", "Printer / selected fonts" with the NeXT printer selected? This produces a .ps file. That would (logically, I don't feel like removing fonts from my system to test it) seem to work with me. Just trying to help. Ciao > Thanks > -- > Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) > The Weston Group > 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095 -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: trunz@inf.ethz.ch (Paul Martin Trunz) Subject: Print the last lines of a page with edit Message-ID: <1993Jun29.072650.5063@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Sender: news@neptune.inf.ethz.ch (Mr News) Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 07:26:50 GMT Hi everybody, I have problems printing on the last lines of a page with Edit. I try to print addresses on a sheet of labels, comonly used for copiers. Now when I try to print a sample sheet with Edit, I get enough addresses on a sheet, but when I print, there is too much space left at the top and the bottom of the page. The top of the page can be fixed with setting the paperheight to oversize, however this does not help with the bottom. I tried to look at the RTF, but nothing I changed there (with emacs) changed anything concerning the page layout. Eventually I wanted to generate the an RTF-file with perl from an RDB-file. I guess I have to put this into Edit or print it with open -p which will call Edit by itself. Is this possible or do you advise me to directly produce Postscript? Does anybody have a program (or a pointer to such a thing) which allows to format addresses programmatically? The addresses I have will vary and I would want to stick to the RDB-format (tab-separated) so the program would have to be pretty flexible. Thanks for any pointers Patru -- ____ _ ______ ____ _ _ trunz@inf.ethz.ch \ \ | \ | | or |__/ /_ | | |_ / | | PATRU@EZINFO.vmsmail.ethz.ch | \ | \_ \_ | Tel.: +49 1/254 73 76
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: rpajarol@iiic.ethz.ch (Renato Bruno Pajarola) Subject: NextStep 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jun29.082013.5713@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Sender: rpajarol@iiic.ethz.ch Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Distribution: Distribution: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 08:20:13 GMT Hi all there, I have an offer to buy NS3.1 for about 120.-$ here in Switzerland, and I would like to know what I get for this money. So if you have already used NS3.1 and know some specials about it mail them to me please. Are some terrible bugs fixed ? New usefull behaviour ? New Apps, Demos and Utilities ? Performance ? (I own and use NS3.0, but I don't know all it's specialities) Please mail to: rpajarol@iiic.ethz.ch Thanks to everyone who sends me a tip ... Bye, ------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Renato Pajarola Country: Switzerland Profession: Student in Computer Science ETH Zuerich E-Mail: rpajarol@iiic.ethz.ch There's a hell of a good universe NeXT door; let's go ...
From: dbbrown@otter.mrj.com (Dan Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: 3.1 Developer MAB! Date: 29 Jun 1993 06:47:46 -0400 Organization: MRJ, Inc./Oakton, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <20p6ki$f6d@otter.mrj.com> I haven't seen this mentioned in news yet, so please excuse me if this is old news. But I just got my 3.1 User and Developers tools upgrade for my 040 cube yesterday. And too my surprise, the 3.1 developers tools CD is MAB. :^) Contrary to what I was led to believe a few months back saying that the 3.0 -> 3.1 Developers Tools CD would only run on Black Hardware. Oh Joy! Dan Brown
From: blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Help--Graphics not displayed in RTFD pages in Librarian Message-ID: <17034@news.duke.edu> Date: 29 Jun 93 14:13:29 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu We just noticed this, so we suspect something has changed it recently. In Digital Librarian, you of course can get back from a search both RTF- and RTFD-formatted documents. In the RTFD documents, graphics (screen grabs, diagrams, etc.) are not displaying! In their place is a little gray NeXT cube logo. Does anyone know what could be causing this, and how to fix it? We're not aware of having changed anything system-wise. In case it's relevant, we're running NeXTSTEP 3.0. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu |
From: dblakele@acpub.duke.edu (Dean Blakeley MD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP 3.1 and PLI Super Floppy 2.8 Message-ID: <17026@news.duke.edu> Date: 29 Jun 93 09:49:21 GMT References: <16913@news.duke.edu> <1993Jun29.031741.1638@imani.cam.org> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. In article <1993Jun29.031741.1638@imani.cam.org> you write: >Did you try formatting disks(NS, DOS and Mac formats)?That's what I heard to >have been the problem. Unformatted to Mac: No problems Unformatted to DOS: No problems NeXTto Mac: No problems NeXTto Dos: No problems DOS to Mac: No problems Mac to DOS: No problems Any combination to NeXT: Major problems. The format will proceed then an error message will appear and eject the floppy with the following console message: disk name: PLI SUPER FLOPPY disk type: removable_rw_scsi device = /dev/rsd2a block size = 512 capacity = 2 MBytes Disk Format in progress... ***Format Complete*** writing disk label boot block extends beyond front porch Re-inserting the diskette prompts a message about the disk being damaged with the prompts of ejecting/repairing/initializing being suggested. Attempts at re-initialization result in the same behavior and the same console message. This was the same for 2.0 Mb and 4.0 Mb floppy disks. It's very repeatable behavior. >I'd like to know since I have a PLI 2.8 >Ciao, and thanks No problem. Once again, us old optically-challenged cube owners are left to hang in the wind. I can't wait for NeXTSTEP 4.0 when optical support drops altogether. Peace -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> | -- | Dean D Blakeley, MD \\// This ain't no party, this ain't no disco | | Duke University _\/_ This ain't no fooling around - D. Byrne | | Center for Health Policy \\// NeXTmail happily accepted | | Durham NC 27710 \/ #include <disclaim.duke.h> |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu> Keywords: ATI,S3 Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 15:26:28 GMT I received replies regarding the performance of ATI Ultra Pro and S3-805. Some likes the ATI while some likes the S3-805. Another question: What about the performance difference of ATI Ultra Pro and S3-928? I understand that S3-928 is not support in the current version of NS/FIP, but I'll surely write a driver to support it. Any opinion? -- Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Organization: Central Michigan University Date: Tuesday, 29 Jun 1993 11:28:32 EDT From: John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Message-ID: <93180.11283234II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: NASCORP shipping NS/FIP yet ? References: <1993Jun28.130447.25884@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> Yes, NACSCORP _is_ (has been) shipping NS/I... I posted a little thing about this in c.s.n.advocacy, but here's the basic info again: 06/14/93 - I have my bookstore order NS/I from NACSCORP. 06/15/93 - NeXT is scheduled to ship NS/I to NACSCORP. 06/16/93 - NeXT starts shipping NS/I to NACSCORP (not bad, 1 day late...) 06/21/93& 06/22/93 - NACSCORP receives the shipments and begins shipping all back- ordered (06/15/93 and before) out the the bookstores... 06/24/93 - My bookstore (Central Michigan University in Mt. Pleasant, MI) receives the bundle and I pick it up! Installed in under 3 hours! ...and that's the story -- those ordered before 06/15/93 should have there copies already -- or be getting it today or tomarrow at the latest, by my estimates... I also just talked with NACSCORP and they said that they are again currently back-ordered, but are expecting a shipment "any time now." I guess that's a good thing! -- orders more than expected, I hope! :) (He also told me that since they are back-ordered, it my be up to a two- week delay if I ordered today -- since it might not make it into the current back-ordered shipment... No biggie -- two weeks is still fairly decent...) Any other questions about the academic bundle -- just ask... - John... P.S. I'm not affiliated with anyone important -- just an Academic Bundle purchaser and user...
Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 11:50:58 EDT From: Greg Spath <GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu> Message-ID: <93180.115058GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? References: <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu> My personal experience has been that s3 based cards really suck in DOS with programs that don't use the accelerator. The Mach32, however, performs great in both DOS and Windows.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: NS/FIP netboot? Message-ID: <1993Jun29.151716.3285@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <C9CuFJ.Fzy.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 15:17:16 GMT In article <C9CuFJ.Fzy.2@cs.cmu.edu> ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes: [munch, munch] > Pentium/HP/whatever in the basement or something like that. This > could be economical if you want to move a whole group to NS/FIP. > You'd only need the user license on all the end-user machines, > with the developer license on the server, so that's another cost Sorry to intrude, but having the dev on one machine on a net doesn't make it legally available to all clients. Only as many machines as licences are owned should use it. That's the point of "right-to-use" licences. You don't get the code, but a licence to it. NeXT doesn't offer r-t-u licences for dev (they do for Motorola 3.1 upgrades, I heard, thought). Sorry to shout you down, but better me than the FBI or something... Ciao > you could cut out. > -- > Doug DeJulio > ddj+@cmu.edu -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) Subject: Mud huts and trenches Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <203120INNe5s@gap.caltech.edu> <88123@ut-emx.uucp> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 16:11:42 +0000 Message-ID: <1993Jun29.161142.17899@prim> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <88123@ut-emx.uucp> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) writes: >In article <1993Jun20.183306.781@prim> Dave Griffiths, dave@prim.demon.co.uk >writes: > >>An operating system is just a tool, and surely what matters is what the >>technology enables you to do, not the technology itself. What's more >important, >>the plays of Shakespeare or the quill he used to write them down? If he'd >>used a mission critical custom quill with built-in spell checker, would his >>plays have been any better? > >Maybe, maybe not. Who can say what Shakespeare could have done with a word >processor or what Mozart might have produced with MIDI and digital audio? I >will bet you a dollar, however, that if Shakespeare had owned a really >inadequate pen which worked poorly and inked up his entire paper he might have >grown frustrated and gone out for a walk instead. > >Tell me, why not use the best tools available? If NeXTSTEP is a demonstrably >better tool because of the technology it embraces then can you see any reason >not to use it or at least try it out? Would you wish to dig a trench with a >spoon if you could use a backhoe instead? Would you point to the backhoe and >say "all that fancy technology is useless if it can't dig a ditch" when in >fact it very well can dig a ditch, and a slight bit faster than the spoon you >are currently using? In my original article, I wasn't questioning the use of good tools, but rather the (IMO) misplaced passion that such tools arouse. There were a lot of folk getting worked up about Sun vs NeXT and I was wondering why no-one (other than you ;-) gets similarly excited over such things as spoons vs backhoes. If someone told you they were quite happy to dig their trench with a spoon, you wouldn't start ranting and raving like some NeXT advocates do and telling them they should be using a backhoe. I'm sure you'd be much more interested in why they were building the trench, or complimenting them on their handiwork. Anyone for alt.trench.backhoe.advocacy? :-) Imagine: >>This Spoon stuff shows up in every other article, and I'm sick >>of it. But actually I think a better counter-argument would be to argue that software is the modern equivalent of poetry. It's the stuff of dreams, and no more a tool than language is a tool. Windows is a mud hut while NeXTSTEP is a cathedral. Oops... starting to sound like a NeXT Mormon myself there. :-) Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: DBKit Adaptor Question Message-ID: <1993Jun29.175357.7972@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 17:53:57 GMT DBKit gives you the ability to create generic code for anything that has an associated adaptor. What I would like to know is how those adaptors work. I know that if you use Sybase's dblib calls you have to link in Sybase's libraries. How does DBKit dynamically get the database engine's libraries (Sybase, Oracle, etc)? -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: Sean Graham <sean@zippy.nimh.nih.gov> Subject: NS/FIP Questions (Dell 466ME) Message-ID: <1993Jun29.192006.20084@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Organization: National Institutes of Health Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 19:20:06 GMT I've got a basic Dell 466ME which I want to install NS/FIP on, but I've got to add a few things to it before it's ready. CDROM: Can I use the CD ROM that's tied into my SoundBlaseter Pro? Or should I borrow an Adaptec 1542B & External CDROM, do the install and get rid of the borrowed items? Multiple OS: I read (somewhare) that NS/FIP supports multiple OS installs on the same system. True? Is it theoretically possible to have seperate DOS, OS2 & NS/FIP partitions? Anyone done anything similar yet? Thanks in advance... sean sean@shiloh.nimh.nih.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: rbroders@oracle.com (Robert Brodersen) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? In-Reply-To: Greg Spath's message of Tue, 29 Jun 1993 11:50:58 EDT Message-ID: <RBRODERS.93Jun29130926@ap253sun.oracle.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA References: <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu> <93180.115058GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 21:09:26 GMT at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Greg Spath <GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >My personal experience has been that s3 based cards really suck in DOS >with programs that don't use the accelerator. The Mach32, however, >performs great in both DOS and Windows. This may have been true for older s3 cards, but the 928 flies in DOS mode. The 7th Guest for example runs great on my Metheus Premier 928VL4 (local bus). I'll have to run 3dbench someday to get a quantitative benchmark. Now if I can just remember where to find it... -- Thanks- rbroders@oracle.com -Bob Brodersen (415)-506-2189 Applications Architect, Applications Technology Group, Applications Division Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA 94065
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <1993Jun29.200030.1958@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University References: <20nsihINNpf7@network.ucsd.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 20:00:30 GMT Here are some statistics, from news.lists: NewsStats ========= Cumulative traffic, by article size, on ira.uka.de during the last week. This is a full feed, plus de.* and some regional newsgroups. A companion article lists by article count. Only the first 250 lines are printed. Crossposts are counted correctly; sizes include headers. Suggestions as to the usefulness of this posting are welcome. [comp.os and comp.sys extracted] # Articles Bytes Newsgroup 1 192948 468200053 * 9 14731 24846087 comp.sys.* 21 6581 11815925 comp.os.* 33 3993 6710914 comp.sys.mac.* 41 3195 5252801 comp.sys.ibm.* 45 3129 5158900 comp.sys.ibm.pc.* 48 2459 4547381 comp.os.os2.* 49 2519 4494789 comp.sys.amiga.* 80 1432 2273273 comp.os.ms-windows.* 90 1206 2054226 comp.os.linux 112 1135 1747062 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.* 113 1064 1746118 comp.os.os2.misc 118 899 1677864 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 125 705 1627756 comp.os.msdos.* 148 877 1396797 comp.sys.next.* 155 777 1339156 comp.windows.* 157 777 1335850 comp.sys.mac.hardware 179 628 1112543 comp.sys.mac.misc 180 442 1109166 comp.os.os2.advocacy 185 599 1092349 comp.sys.mac.programmer 186 677 1085608 comp.sys.sun.* 222 430 927440 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy 229 536 916772 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games It would seem that comp.sys.next is not really that important ... Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +-------------------------------------------------------------------- * 80 1432 2273273 comp.os.ms-windows.* 90 1206 2054226 comp.os.linux 112 1135 1747062 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.* 113 1064 1746118 comp.os.os2.misc 118 899 1677864 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware 125 705 1627756 comp.os.msdos.* 148 877 1396797 comp.sys.next.* 155 777 1339156 comp.windows.* 157 777 1335850 comp.sys.mac.hardware 179 628 1112543 comp.sys.mac.misc 180 442 1109166 comp.os.os2.advocacy 185 599 1092349 comp.sys.mac.programmer 186 677 1085608 comp.sys.sun.* 222 430 927440 comp.sys.amiga.advocacy 229 536 916772 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <1993Jun29.205959.14382@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jun29.200030.1958@news.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 20:59:59 GMT Andreas Windemuth writes > Here are some statistics, from news.lists: > > [Stats deleted] > > It would seem that comp.sys.next is not really that important ... Maybe we ought to start one of those rtf flamewars... that should get our posting volume up in a hurry.... (just kidding) (really) (:-) -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: tyfung@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tin-Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: SoftPC 3.0 Upgrade Question (please help) Date: 29 Jun 1993 21:36:56 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <20qclo$6f6@agate.berkeley.edu> Hello, I'm trying to sell my copy of SoftPC 2.0 to someone. The buyer wants to upgrade to 3.0. So I called Insignia, but the representative said the license is not transferrable. My question is, for those of you who have upgraded, is there a new registration card in the upgrade? Please reply if you can.
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Print the last lines of a page with edit Message-ID: <1251@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 29 Jun 93 21:14:14 GMT References: <1993Jun29.072650.5063@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Paul Martin Trunz writes > Hi everybody, > > I have problems printing on the last lines of a page with Edit. I try to > print addresses on a sheet of labels, comonly used for copiers. Now when I > try to print a sample sheet with Edit, I get enough addresses on a sheet, > but when I print, there is too much space left at the top and the bottom of > the page. The top of the page can be fixed with setting the paperheight to > oversize, however this does not help with the bottom. I tried to look at > the RTF, but nothing I changed there (with emacs) changed anything > concerning the page layout. Edit.app was never really intended for printing. You can't set the margins yourself; they are chosen for you automatically. We are marketing a new word processor based on the Text object that is similar to Edit in many respects, but has full support for printing, setting margins, page breaks, headers, footers, page numbering, and things like that. It should work great for labels, and in fact you should be able to import your formatted RTF file into it without change. The product is called ExactlyWrite; send mail to "info@rightbrain.com" for more information about it. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <C9EI37.n2x@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <1993Jun29.200030.1958@news.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 20:54:43 GMT In article <1993Jun29.200030.1958@news.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > > Here are some statistics, from news.lists: > 80 1432 2273273 comp.os.ms-windows.* > 112 1135 1747062 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.* > 148 877 1396797 comp.sys.next.* > 118 899 1677864 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware > > It would seem that comp.sys.next is not really that important ... > The fact that c.s.n.* managed more than half the number of postings of c.os.ms-win.* is impressive to me. Besides, by your logic games are more important than the hardware they run on! :) :) :) -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Another TSENG LABS ET-4000 question. Date: 29 Jun 1993 21:39:49 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <20qcr5INNpjl@clem.handheld.com> I located a second TS-4000 based card, and installed it, and configured NSFIP to use it in 1024x768 mode. I get EXACTLY the same results as my other, older, card, which is a video output at about 1/2 the correct horz and vert rates. Too slow for the monitor to sync up on. The image is all there, and correct, I can even operate the next if I can figure out which of the vertically wrapped image sections the mouse is really in. Anyone have a similiar problem? Any solutions or advice? I have a 17" monitor for this task, and using the standard VGA driver works, but makes everything so HUGE! Jim -- jmd@handheld.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NS/FIP Notebook - How? Which? Message-ID: <1993Jun29.161702.5726@nic.csu.net> From: glocker@futon.SFSU.EDU (Andreas R. Glocker) Date: 29 Jun 93 16:17:00 PDT Sender: glocker@sirius.com Followup-To: glocker@sirius.com Distribution: usa Organization: sirius solutions, inc. Keywords: Notebook, NEC, NS/I Summary: Which notebook should I get, now to run NS/I? I have a client how wants a Notebook now!!! How do I get my hands on such a thing. One thing I am considering is to try a clone called Micro-International 486 DX2-66MHz. 16Meg Ram/ 450 MB HD Active Matrix Disp. OR Passive Matrix Color IDE only :-( Do you think it will work? I plan to format the HD on a Desktop NS 486 and then install it into the Labtop. Andreas glocker@sirius.com
From: rvs@fnbc.com (Ronald V. Simmons) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: DBKit Adaptor Question Date: 29 Jun 1993 22:00:18 GMT Organization: First National Bank of Chicago Message-ID: <20qe1i$phu@betelgeuse.fnbc.com> References: <1993Jun29.175357.7972@glv.uucp> In article <1993Jun29.175357.7972@glv.uucp> andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) writes: > DBKit gives you the ability to create generic code for anything that has an > associated adaptor. What I would like to know is how those adaptors work. I > know that if you use Sybase's dblib calls you have to link in Sybase's > libraries. How does DBKit dynamically get the database engine's libraries > (Sybase, Oracle, etc)? > > -- > Robert John Andersen > andersen@reality.glv.com > 919-460-3285 Voice > 919-460-3295 Fax The adaptor links the target platform's library. Do the following and you'll see what I mean: nm /NextLibrary/Adaptors/SybaseAdaptor.adaptor/SybaseAdaptor | grep db The Sybase 4.6.1 client dblib is in the Sybase adaptor and so comes into your application at the time the adaptor is dynamically loaded. I have not quite pieced together exactly how a third-party adaptor developer can easily do this with a database whose client library doesn't ship with the OS. ;^) -- Ronald V. Simmons rvs@vnp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: scott@geom.umn.edu (Scott S. Bertilson) Subject: Re: Screen projection with a NeXT Message-ID: <C9ErJC.37K@news2.cis.umn.edu> Keywords: projection Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: Geometry Center, University of Minnesota References: <1993Jun22.180732.27269@mtu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 00:13:19 GMT We've done well projecting the original ColorStation using a Sony VPH-1271Q. We've tried it on a NEC projector and the Electrohome 4100 will do a good job too. If you can get by with no monitor for viewing, you can simply feed the RGB directly to the projector. You might need an adapter box (cables for sure) to connect both. --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: Another TSENG LABS ET-4000 question. Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun30.005440.15967@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 00:54:40 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <20qcr5INNpjl@clem.handheld.com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <20qcr5INNpjl@clem.handheld.com>, jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: |> I located a second TS-4000 based card, and installed it, and configured NSFIP |> to use it in 1024x768 mode. I get EXACTLY the same results as my other, older, |> card, which is a video output at about 1/2 the correct horz and vert rates. |> Too slow for the monitor to sync up on. The image is all there, and correct, I |> can even operate the next if I can figure out which of the vertically wrapped |> image sections the mouse is really in. |> |> Anyone have a similiar problem? Any solutions or advice? I have a 17" monitor |> for this task, and using the standard VGA driver works, but makes everything so |> HUGE! |> |> Jim |> |> -- |> jmd@handheld.com Hmmm this is just speculation, but wouldn't a multi-sync monitor help? Or is that Multi-scan? (I tend to mix the two up sometimes) As I remember those kinds of monitors adjust themselves to the incoming signal over a wider range of signals. Tom -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun30.010708.10944@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 01:07:08 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993Jun29.200030.1958@news.columbia.edu> <C9EI37.n2x@dove.nist.gov> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <C9EI37.n2x@dove.nist.gov>, eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) writes: |> In article <1993Jun29.200030.1958@news.columbia.edu> |> windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: |> > |> > Here are some statistics, from news.lists: |> > 80 1432 2273273 comp.os.ms-windows.* |> > 112 1135 1747062 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.* |> > 148 877 1396797 comp.sys.next.* |> > 118 899 1677864 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |> > |> > It would seem that comp.sys.next is not really that important ... |> > |> |> The fact that c.s.n.* managed more than half the number of postings of |> c.os.ms-win.* is impressive to me. |> |> Besides, by your logic games are more important than the hardware they |> run on! :) :) :) |> I'm impressed. The number of copies of MS-Windoze is in the tens of millions and there is less than 1 million NeXT Users out there in netland. I'd say there is a great deal of excitement for NS/FIP. I'm interested in the numbers as anyone as to how it's selling. Wish there was an update since the NeXTWorld Expo. I know I can't wait to get my 486-66 and get up and running. (Hopefully by Thursday or Friday......) Tom |> -- |> Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* |> Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu |> National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted |> (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) |> My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, |> the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST. -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: shin@nop.han.de (Hoen-oh Shin) Subject: Appending files to existing streamer archives Message-ID: <1993Jun27.122336.409@nop.han.de> Sender: shin@nop.han.de Organization: Hoen-oh Shin, Hannover, Germany [IN] Date: Sun, 27 Jun 93 12:23:36 GMT Hello, I would like to add files to an existing archive on tape (WANGTEK 510000, 1GB). Tar (-r, -u option) doesn t work. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: Mud huts and trenches Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun30.013029.17268@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 01:30:29 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <203120INNe5s@gap.caltech.edu> <88123@ut-emx.uucp> <1993Jun29.161142.17899@prim> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1993Jun29.161142.17899@prim>, dave@prim.demon.co.uk (Dave Griffiths) writes: |> In my original article, I wasn't questioning the use of good tools, but |> rather the (IMO) misplaced passion that such tools arouse. There were a lot |> of folk getting worked up about Sun vs NeXT and I was wondering why no-one |> (other than you ;-) gets similarly excited over such things as spoons vs |> backhoes. If someone told you they were quite happy to dig their trench with |> a spoon, you wouldn't start ranting and raving like some NeXT advocates do |> and telling them they should be using a backhoe. I'm sure you'd be much more |> interested in why they were building the trench, or complimenting them on |> their handiwork. Anyone for alt.trench.backhoe.advocacy? :-) Imagine: |> This is the stuff that hits home to me daily. I write code. A lot of code. I write for many different operating systems. One might call me a venerable master computer smythe. The tools with which I have to perform my humble craft vary with every machine. My talent is a constant. Yours is too I'm sure. Yet, as a craftsman, and noticing these differences as you seem to acknowledge, I'm not a happy camper when I have to work on a machine which is lacking. It is true we all get a tad worked up when we find that tool which really does the job. We don't want to put it down. Problem pop up to be solved, ahhh I'll use my trusty faithful hammer, it doesn't fail.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) Subject: Re: NS/FIP netboot? Message-ID: <C9ExDE.34B.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon References: <C9CuFJ.Fzy.2@cs.cmu.edu> <1993Jun29.151716.3285@imani.cam.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 02:24:49 GMT >> Pentium/HP/whatever in the basement or something like that. This >> could be economical if you want to move a whole group to NS/FIP. >> You'd only need the user license on all the end-user machines, >> with the developer license on the server, so that's another cost > >Sorry to intrude, but having the dev on one machine on a net doesn't >make it legally available to all clients. Only as many machines as >licences are owned should use it. That's the point of "right-to-use" >licences. You don't get the code, but a licence to it. Hm, I wasn't talking about a fileserver type of arrangement. I was talking about the actual binary running on the server. Was this understood? Is this illegal? Here's an example that should be roughly equivalent. Let's say I've got two machines in my home. One is a maxed-out 486 box, DX2-66, super-duper fast-and-wide SCSI, everything. But a VGA card, so it's only 640x480x2. Let's say I've also got an origianl 030 NeXTcube, with a NeXTdimension in it, with a nice 21" color monitor. Can I run programs on the 486 box and display them via the net on the dimension (via -NXHost, sorta like "setenv DISPLAY" for X, for those who don't know how), legally? What if one machine has just a user license, and the other has a developer license? Is it a question of how many *people* are using a machine at a time? -- Doug DeJulio ddj+@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: cajho@uno.edu Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <1993Jun30.024910.26607@cs.uno.edu> Sender: news@cs.uno.edu Organization: University of New Orleans References: <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 02:49:10 GMT In article <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu>, chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: >I received replies regarding the performance of ATI Ultra Pro >and S3-805. Some likes the ATI while some likes the S3-805. > >Another question: What about the performance difference of ATI Ultra >Pro and S3-928? > >I understand that S3-928 is not support in the current version of >NS/FIP, but I'll surely write a driver to support it. > >Any opinion? >-- The 928 will smoke the Ultra Pro. >Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." >chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science >twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology -- Craig Johnston | Q: How do you stop Bill Gates from drowning? cajho@uno.edu | A: Shoot him.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: thomsen@spf.trw.com (Mark Thomsen) Subject: Re: How to reach the NeXTDimension SIG? Message-ID: <2C310A8B.1576@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA References: <C976KG.EpE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 03:37:47 GMT Steven C. Weintz writes > I tried contacting the "NeXTDimension SIG" ... Which individual is the ND SIG? The loons. The loons. :<) Mark P.S. If you don't remember the Bloom County week on the lonely computer, the humor may be minimal. P.S.S. If you do, it may not be much more.
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Netware login with user login? Date: 30 Jun 1993 02:00:42 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <20qs4aINNpqg@clem.handheld.com> Now that NetWare is working for us, and we use netware printers, which require you be logged into the netware server when printing to them, and just fail if you aren't, I would like to set up the NeXT to login the users with thier proper netware id and password when they login to the windowserver. I would also like to log them out when they log out of the window server. This would use the nwlogin and nwlogout commands. I do not want the login and logout to be automatic on telnet sessions. Any suggestions? Jim -- jmd@handheld.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: bacchus!eric (Eric Bloom) Subject: Re: Help--Graphics not displayed in RTFD pages in Librarian Message-ID: <1993Jun30.020134.11126@bacchus.com> Sender: eric@bacchus.com Organization: Bacchus, Inc. References: <17034@news.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 02:01:34 GMT In article <17034@news.duke.edu> blake015@mc.duke.edu (Denise Blakeley) writes: > We just noticed this, so we suspect something has changed it recently. > > In Digital Librarian, you of course can get back from a search both RTF- > and RTFD-formatted documents. In the RTFD documents, graphics > (screen grabs, diagrams, etc.) are not displaying! In their place is a > little gray NeXT cube logo. > > Does anyone know what could be causing this, and how to fix it? We're not > aware of having changed anything system-wise. In case it's relevant, we're > running NeXTSTEP 3.0. > > Denise > -- > Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar > Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, > Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for > (919) 282-6468 W | reward. > blake015@mc.duke.edu | Are you are using our Image Agent product ? Excerpt from our Image Agent release notes ... Bug Note: NeXT has acknowledged a bug in their text object which effects image services within rtfd documents when the graphic files have "short" names. Instead of the graphic appearing, a NeXT logo icon appears. This bug is fixed under NS 3.1. Excerpt from NS 3.1 Appkit release notes ... Reference: 30376 Problem: If the ImageAgent filtering service was installed, some images in ".rftd" directories appeared as the NeXT logo. Description: Because of a bug in the way the Text class handles ".rftd" directories, image data in files with names less than eight characters weren't imaged. Instead, the default image, a NeXT logo, were displayed. Eric Bloom Bacchus, Inc. eric@bacchus.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Where is NS/Intel Excitement? Message-ID: <1993Jun30.015006.4276@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993Jun29.205959.14382@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 01:50:06 GMT In article <1993Jun29.205959.14382@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: > Andreas Windemuth writes > > Here are some statistics, from news.lists: > > > > [Stats deleted] > > > > It would seem that comp.sys.next is not really that important ... > > Maybe we ought to start one of those rtf flamewars... that should get > our posting volume up in a hurry.... > > (just kidding) (really) (:-) Why? Never seen one of those. Might be fun. Especially since I have UUCP as my only link to the net... 8^) Ciao > -- > - > Stefano Pagiola > Food Research Institute, Stanford University > spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) > spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" < > Emma Goldman (to Vladimir Ilitch Oulianov [Lenin], 1917) <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: hschulz@rzdspc4.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Heiko Schulz) Subject: Apple PowerCD ? Message-ID: <hschulz.741425494@rzdspc4> Sender: news@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Mr. News) Organization: University of Hamburg, Germany Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 07:31:34 GMT Has anybody seen or better used a Apple PowerCD on a NeXT? It should be a - portable AudioCD-Player - PhotoCD-Player (on your TV) - SCSI CD-ROM By the way, Philips sells a portable PhotoCD-Player (CD-100?) which looks exactly the same (well, not the logo :-). Any comments? Heiko Schulz EMail> hschulz@informatik.uni-hamburg.de
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems installing NS/I -- Help! Date: 30 Jun 1993 12:31:47 GMT Organization: Me Message-ID: <20s13j$ia7@tamsun.tamu.edu> I am having some trouble installing NS/I on the following system: AMI Enterprise III 486DX2/66 motherboard (EISA/VLB) with AMI BIOS 32 MB RAM on the motherboard ATI Ultra Pro Video card with 2 MB RAM DPT 2012b/90 SCSI controller 1.2 GB Seagate ST11200N SCSI drive NeXT CD-ROM drive 3.5" 1.44 floppy, Drive A: 5.25" 1.2 floppy, Drive B: DTC7287 hard/floppy controller card (controls RLL hard drive) 65 MB Seagate RLL drive Mouse Systems serial mouse switched to "Microsoft" mode First of all, I am aware that NS/I does not support the RLL drive. I have left it in the machine simply because it was easier than removing it. I set up the CMOS with "Not Installed" on both the C: and D: drives. I have even tried un-plugging the RLL hard drive from its controller. I have not seen any error messages that seemed to indicate a conflict with the RLL hard drive. The problem I am having is that the installation hangs after recognizing the SCSI devices (hard drive and CD-ROM). It correctly reports the names of these devices, and correctly reports the Nextstep 3.1 volume in the CD-ROM drive. Then I get Registering: sg0 at sc0 Registering: sg1 at sc0 Registering: sg2 at sc0 Registering: sg3 at sc0 After these messages, the process hangs. After some helpful pointers from Robbin Johnson (thanks!) I tried starting from power-up with the CD-ROM *ejected* from the drive. Just before it reports the SCSI devices, I get a "Resetting SCSI bus" message, during which I insert the CD-ROM into the drive. When I do it this way, the install gets a little further, but it still hangs. I get Registering: sg0 at sc0 Registering: sg1 at sc0 Registering: sg2 at sc0 Registering: sg3 at sc0 Registering: fc0 Registering: fd0 Registering: fd0a Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RETRYING Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RETRYING Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RECALIBRATING Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RETRYING Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RETRYING Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RECALIBRATING I am pretty much typing those floppy controller messages from memory, but they are pretty close. It repeats that series of messages repeatedly with no change (at least for as long as I allowed it to keep trying). I am very confused here. It was successfully loading at least some stuff from the floppy in order to get to this point in the install. Why would it time out on reading the floppy now? Has anyone else had this problem. More importantly, does anyone know a solution to this problem? ;) Diana lusty@lusty.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: lerche@nxth01 (Wolfgang Lerche) Subject: csplit for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jun30.133903.1718@dxcern.cern.ch> Sender: news@dxcern.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 13:39:03 GMT Did anybody compile csplit on the NeXT ? How could I get it ? W. Lerche lerche@nxth04.cern.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: jm_hene@pavo.concordia.ca (HENEMAN, JEAN-MARC) Subject: about tape backup Message-ID: <C9Frvx.I8u@newsflash.concordia.ca> Sender: usenet@newsflash.concordia.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Canada Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 14:24:00 GMT Is there drivers for tape backup with NS486? jmh Message-ID: <30JUN199309240557@pavo.concordia.ca> Organization: Concordia University News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: Good News: Mathematica for NS/FIP Message-ID: <C9FwrL.3ro@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 15:09:20 GMT I thought this might be of some interest to these group. After the discussions I had with the kind WRI people at the Expo, I just received a letter from WRI indicating the Mma will be available for NEXTSTEP/Intel "later this year". The suggested list price for this version will be $1245.00 for commercial versions and $995.00 for academic versions. For more info on this particular version the letter encourages to call 1-800-441-6284 and ask to speak with an account executive. You can also send mail to info@wri.com No word in the letter about licence transfer from black to Intel hardware. --john m. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: stoleson@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (David Stoleson) Subject: Re: Problems installing NS/I -- Help! Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun30.143033.20663@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 14:30:33 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <20s13j$ia7@tamsun.tamu.edu> Organization: IBM Rochester Keywords: NeXT NEXTSTEP install In article <20s13j$ia7@tamsun.tamu.edu>, lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) writes: |> I am having some trouble installing NS/I on the following system: |> |> AMI Enterprise III 486DX2/66 motherboard (EISA/VLB) with AMI BIOS |> 32 MB RAM on the motherboard |> ATI Ultra Pro Video card with 2 MB RAM |> DPT 2012b/90 SCSI controller |> 1.2 GB Seagate ST11200N SCSI drive |> NeXT CD-ROM drive |> 3.5" 1.44 floppy, Drive A: |> 5.25" 1.2 floppy, Drive B: |> DTC7287 hard/floppy controller card (controls RLL hard drive) |> 65 MB Seagate RLL drive |> Mouse Systems serial mouse switched to "Microsoft" mode |> |> |> First of all, I am aware that NS/I does not support the RLL drive. I |> have left it in the machine simply because it was easier than removing |> it. I set up the CMOS with "Not Installed" on both the C: and D: drives. |> I have even tried un-plugging the RLL hard drive from its controller. |> I have not seen any error messages that seemed to indicate a conflict |> with the RLL hard drive. Set up the CMOS with B: "Not installed." I believe that you can only have one floppy drive. |> |> The problem I am having is that the installation hangs after recognizing |> the SCSI devices (hard drive and CD-ROM). It correctly reports the names |> of these devices, and correctly reports the Nextstep 3.1 volume in the |> CD-ROM drive. Then I get |> |> Registering: sg0 at sc0 |> Registering: sg1 at sc0 |> Registering: sg2 at sc0 |> Registering: sg3 at sc0 |> |> After these messages, the process hangs. |> |> After some helpful pointers from Robbin Johnson (thanks!) I tried starting |> from power-up with the CD-ROM *ejected* from the drive. Just before it |> reports the SCSI devices, I get a "Resetting SCSI bus" message, during |> which I insert the CD-ROM into the drive. When I do it this way, the |> install gets a little further, but it still hangs. |> |> I get |> |> Registering: sg0 at sc0 |> Registering: sg1 at sc0 |> Registering: sg2 at sc0 |> Registering: sg3 at sc0 |> Registering: fc0 |> Registering: fd0 |> Registering: fd0a |> Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout |> fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RETRYING |> Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout |> fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RETRYING |> Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout |> fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RECALIBRATING |> Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout |> Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout |> fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RETRYING |> Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout |> fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RETRYING |> Floppy Controller Reset: Command Timeout |> fd0: Sector 0 cmd = Read; fd_ioreq.timeoue exceeded:RECALIBRATING |> |> |> I am pretty much typing those floppy controller messages from memory, |> but they are pretty close. It repeats that series of messages repeatedly |> with no change (at least for as long as I allowed it to keep trying). And since you have these problems, it suggests that my suggestion might be the answer. |> |> I am very confused here. It was successfully loading at least some |> stuff from the floppy in order to get to this point in the install. |> Why would it time out on reading the floppy now? Has anyone else had |> this problem. More importantly, does anyone know a solution to this |> problem? ;) |> A lot of people are confused. -- David Stoleson HOME: gypsy!imadave@csn.org (NeXTmail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) Subject: Re: VESA SCSI or EISA SCSI? Originator: guyd@pal501.austin.ibm.com Sender: news@austin.ibm.com (News id) Message-ID: <C9Fx0w.27on@austin.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 15:14:56 GMT References: <chris.741301744@vincent1.iastate.edu> Organization: IBM Austin Keywords: SCSI,VESA,EISA In article <chris.741301744@vincent1.iastate.edu>, chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) writes: > How is the performance of a VESA SCSI and EISA SCSI interface differ > in the following conditions: > > 1) under EISA MB with VESA Slot (32-bits addressing 4 GB) > 2) under ISA MB with VESA Slot (24-bits addressing limit 16 MB) I would expect both controllers to use the VESA slot for data and address operations to the EISA/ISA bus should have no effect. > > Is a hardware cached controller beneficial under a 32-bit OS, e.g., > OS/2, Linux and NeXTSTEP/Mach/FIP? [ What's FIP? ] Linux, NextSTEP and MAch have Unixoid file systems that implement a filesystem cache in main memory. This is very effective and not helped much by a hardware cache. The filesystem cache will also order writes to help minimise data loss if there is a power loss or system failure. It can do this as it understands the internals of the file system. Hardware caches, being disk block caches, will often re-order the writes to reduce head seeks - this can result in damage to the file system as the data on the disk can end up in an order that the OS it's self could never do and thus cannot recover - not pretty. OS/2 with the DOS FAT file system may see some advantage but a main memory cache is just as effective. As for the HPFS, don't have a clue! > > Chris Wong | "Hardware is supposed to serve Software." > chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science Guy -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 2334
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Good News: Mathematica for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun30.155116.8878@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <C9FwrL.3ro@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 93 15:51:16 GMT John Michopoulos writes > I thought this might be of some interest to these group. > > After the discussions I had with the kind WRI people at the Expo, > I just received a letter from WRI indicating the Mma will be > available for NEXTSTEP/Intel "later this year". The suggested > list price for this version will be $1245.00 for commercial > versions and $995.00 for academic versions. This is _good_ news??? Forget it. At that price, they might as well not bother. They'll sell three and a half licences and `prove' once again that there's no market for NS apps. I like Mathematica. I pretty much wrote my entire dissertation on it. If it had cost that much, I'd have used something else. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware From: bbrown@infonode.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Pro or S3-928? Message-ID: <1993Jun30.152251.16025@infonode.ingr.com> Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL. References: <chris.741367588@vincent1.iastate.edu> <93180.115058GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 15:22:51 GMT Greg Spath <GKS101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >My personal experience has been that s3 based cards really suck in DOS >with programs that don't use the accelerator. The Mach32, however, >performs great in both DOS and Windows. The newer S3 chips, the 801, 805, and the 928, are every bit as fast as a fast SVGA in dos. I got a 3D Bench of 46 on my S3 805 vlb. It was the older S3 chips, the 911 and the 924, that got the bad reputation. The S3 has the added advantage of being a real SVGA instead of a completely different animal like the GUP (it's a soupped up 8514/A). The GUP has an ATI SVGA card onboard for doing svga modes, and this card does not support true/hicolor, so your DOS SVGA true/hicolor software won't work on it, but will work with most S3 boards. Bailey
Organization: Central Michigan University Date: Tuesday, 29 Jun 1993 16:56:38 EDT From: John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Message-ID: <93180.16563834II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Hard-copy books with Academic!!? Ok -- you've probably seen post from me before regarding the Academic Bundle -- as I've been paying quite close attention to the situation and talking with both NeXT and NACSCORP on a daily basis. Now, my previous posts have stated that hard-copy (i.e. paper, not just on-line) manuals are not included with the Academic Bundle, except for the Users' Guide and the 3rd Party Developer Catalog (with 3rd Party CDROM). HOWEVER! -- much to my surprise, NeXT and NACSCORP are both starting to tell me that the Developer and System Administration books (printed!) should be included with the Bundle! They are telling me that the entire package (except with the possible exception of the actual boxes that it comes in) should be identical to the commercial/retail version of the User & Development packages. Now, this is what I was told in the first place and was expecting until I somehow picked up a rumor that the only printed books would be the Users' Guide and 3rd party catalog -- which is _what_arrived_with_my_Academic_Bundle -- so, I thought that the rumor was correct and that NeXT was not including the other printed materials to save costs (and give us a GREAT price!). So -- everything seems fine, right? No Books, case closed... Not quite... I talked with NACSCORP again today to get some information for some other people that asked me some questions (after reading my previous posts) -- a couple needed the part # for the package (9301023296 for those that still need it :) and I didn't have it here at work, so I called them to get it. I also wanted to check the academic price for the full set of manual since the evaluation package allows you to get them at half price ($133.50) -- I was asking if the academic bundle could also get them at a discount like that... So, NACSCORP puts me on hold for a while to check and then comes back and says: "No, you see all the books _are_ included with the academic bundle." To which, I respond: "Then how come when mine arrived last Thursday, it only included the Users' Guide??" [...hold again...] "Hmmm... we'll have to check on that -- why don't you call your bookstore and make sure that there wasn't a second box or something." ... So, to make a long story still long, but not quite as long as it could be... I'm currently waiting for a call back from NACSCORP (my bookstore was sure there was only one box) to let me know what's going on. They told me that they were going to call NeXT and see what "exactly" is supposed to be included (although they did tell me that they were "almost positive" that the books _were_ included! :). So, while waiting for them to call back, I just gave NeXT a call and the operator there told me plain-and-simple: "the full set of books is included with the Academic Bundle." !!! So -- hopefully, NeXT will now tell that to NACSCORP when they call and all of us with Academic Bundles will soon have the full set of manuals/books! As soon as I hear anything more -- I'll let you all know. If anyone has any other Academic Bundle questions, feel free to mail me (like everyone else has already been doing -- which you could easily tell if you took a look at my mailbox lately! :) But, serious -- I don't mind... A NeXT sale makes me happy -- and more confident about everything succeeding nicely! - John... P.S. Please don't call NeXT or NACSCORP about this -- there already trying to work it out as it is and have promised to call me back as soon as they get it worked out -- at which time, I _will_ immediately post a summary to the Net...
Organization: Central Michigan University Date: Wednesday, 30 Jun 1993 10:22:02 EDT From: John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Message-ID: <93181.10220234II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Academic Bundle: No printed docs (final!)... Ok -- here's the final story -- sorry for the confusion, but most if it belonged to NACSCORP and NeXT anyway, not me... :) The main cause of the confusion was this: NACSCORP didn't have a list of what should be included in the Academic Bundle available and the operators at 800-848-NeXT (which is who NACSCORP also calls) seemed to believe that printed documentation for everything was included (well, at least some of the operators thought so...) This most likely came about because each one I talked with general answered: "The Academic Bundle is exactly the same system as the commercial packages together." So, when I asked them specific questions like "So, the developer and system admin hard-copy/printed manuals are included" -- they simply answered "Yes" because they knew that they were included with the commercial packages. Anyways, since then -- NACSCORP has requested and received a fax from NeXT stating exactly what is included (basically, it's a photocopy of the "What's Inside" page that comes in the box to make sure you receive everything). It also states on an additional page "note that printed developer documentation/ books and system admin. are not included. However, developer documentation and system admin. are on-line on the CD-ROM. If your customer wants to purchase these items separately, an order can be placed through Addison Wesley at (800) 477-2226." It also appears that the NeXT operators (at the 800/NeXT numbers) were also given these pages -- they seem to be much more knowledgeable with the details of the Academic Bundle and have the Addison Wesley number right there handy to give out -- NACSCORP must have said something to them about telling customers that the printed books were included when they really weren't! In any case, the A.B. is still a great deal -- even without the printed dev and admin books -- which I wasn't really expecting in the first place! I was quite happy with what I had until a NeXT person tried to tell me that I should have more! So -- buy the bundle -- it's a "good thing." :) - John... P.S. See my next post if you're waiting for your AB shipment to arrive...
Organization: Central Michigan University Date: Wednesday, 30 Jun 1993 10:34:03 EDT From: John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Message-ID: <93181.10340334II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Academic Bundle ship date... Ok -- included with a fax I received (I won't say it here, but it should be obvious if you've read any of my other messages... :) was a little side note that probably was supposed to be removed before re-faxing... - but it wasn't, and it's of interest, so I'll talk about it... ;) For those waiting for their academic bundles to arrive, here's what's happening... First, many of us already have them (those ordered on 06/15/93 (the original ship date) and before should have already received them). Those after that were put on a new back-order and those will be shipped out as they are received at NACSCORP. According to the fax (and the date has been removed, but it has to be either 06/29/93 or 06/30/93 (today)), "a shipment of 50 units is en route [to NACSCORP]." So, those will probably ship out very soon. However, if that doesn't fill the current back-log (which I'm sure it won't), then this next line applies to most others: "Our next shipment [from NeXT to NACSCORP] won't be until the week of July 12th." So, looks like a couple week delay if you ordered recently (but they were telling people about that delay as they ordered, so your bookstore probably knows...). Oh yeah, it also says that they are aware of the backlog and will notify NACSCORP if they can improve the ship date (looks like NACSCORP has been asking them to hurry it up... :) Well -- hope this information is of value to some... Talk to you later! - John...
From: ruck@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (John R. Ruckstuhl Jr.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: combining mailboxes Date: 30 Jun 1993 18:31:49 GMT Organization: EE Dept at UF Message-ID: <20sm6m$kem@bigguy.eng.ufl.edu> Can the Mail application generate a new table_of_contents. It looks as if I could easily append an ordinary (non-Next) mailbox to an Next mailbox by Make sure no ".lock" is present, then remove "table_of_contents", then cat mailbox onto "mbox". (remember to compact before deleting "table_of_contents", or letters might be undeleted). Right or wrong? Thanks. Best regards, ruck -- John R. Ruckstuhl, Jr. ruck@alpha.ee.ufl.edu Dept. of Electrical Engineering ruck@cis.ufl.edu University of Florida
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc From: cbliek@dcc.uchile.cl (Christian Bliek) Subject: NeXTStep Programming books (Summary) Sender: usenet@dcc.uchile.cl (Network News) Message-ID: <1993Jun30.183829.22758@dcc.uchile.cl> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 18:38:29 GMT Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion Keywords: NeXTStep, Programming, Book, Manual In comp.sys.next.misc article <1993Jun23.142715.11428@dcc.uchile.cl> I wrote: > From what I heard on the net there are two introductory NeXTStep > Programming books: > > 1) NeXTStep Programming - Step One: Object Oriented Applications > by Simson L. Garfinkel & Machael K. Mahoney > > 2) NeXTStep Programming: Concepts and Applications > by Alex Duong Nghiem > > Based on the titles it's kind of hard to decide which one to get! > Anyone care to comment? Thanks to all that responded. It looks like the Garfinkel & Mahoney book gets more votes, although this is probably biased since it is also better known. Here are the replies I got ... so you can judge for yourselves :-) Cheers, Christian. (cbliek@dcc.uchile.cl) From: Denise Blakeley <blake015@bullnext.mc.duke.edu> I found the Garfinkel & Mahoney book to be very easy to read and very instructive with its hands-on programming examples. Excellent explanations. It has earned a permanent spot on my bookshelf. Denise -- Denise Blakeley | PROGRAM, tr. v., An activity similar Duke Med Center Info Systems | to banging one's head against a wall, Durham, NC | but with fewer opportunities for (919) 282-6468 W | reward. blake015@mc.duke.edu | From: Seung-Woo Kim <seungwoo@cs.umn.edu> I have the one written by Garfinkel and Mahoney, and read it cover to cover. The example programs are quite good. It illustrates basic, yet fairly complex features to be useful for REAL applications. However, it would be a little difficult to understand the explanations unless you have experiences in Unix and C - such as the concept of multi-thread. A large part of the book is devoted to develop front ends for a normal C program and how to communicate between them asynchronously using UNIX pipes. Another point to make is that you will also need reference manuals for NS and postscript if you would like to draw pictures. Considering that NS as a whole and postscript is too large to be contained in a single book, that's understandable. But I feel that the texts itself leaves a little to be desired even though the programs are very good. Also, it doesn't illustrate every NS features - NXBrowsers for instance. As for the Alex and Nghiem's book, I haven't seen it so I really can't comment on the text. But I took a look at the example programs which are on sonata(? maybe orst, I am not sure). They were really basic stuff. I was able to analyze all those programs in a single day after I read Garfinkel's book. I suppose the other way is not so easy considering the complexity and size of the programs. All things considered, I would say Garfinkel's book is introductory for NeXTstep, but needs some UNIX experience, while Alex's examples are easy to understand, but doesn't feature more advanced techinques. Hope this helps. Seung-Woo From: Kirk Haller <haller@math.wisc.edu> I haven't tried (2), but (1) is great. I was not familiar with NS or object oriented programming six months ago, and now I'm happily working on some nice little apps! Kirk Haller haller@math.wisc.edu From: yackd@oregon.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Book #1 impressed me. Book #2 didn't. (Not that it's a bad book -- it's OK -- but #1 is _so_ good...) Later, Don_Yackman@byu.edu From: tyler@il.us.swissbank.com (Tyler Gingrich) Both. Actually, since you're not made of money...who is?? Here is a REALLY short evaluation. Both books a very well written & full of useful information and hints. Step One: VERY detailed step-by-step approach. Super for new NeXTSTEP programmers and others who want a detailed hands-on approach to PB & IB. Most of the examples are innovative & show a lot of cool techniques (most of them are math oriented -- this is understandable considering the backgrounds of the 2 authors). Concepts: NeXTSTEP design, analysis, and programming. Less detailed hands-on but still a very useful book. My recommendation -- start with Step One & then get Concepts. You're library won't be complete without both. :-) Tyler Gingrich Vanguard Software From: clr@next_c.pai.com (Charles Robinson) Organization: Performance Systems Int'l I have both and much prefer the Garfinkel & Mahoney text. From: Giuseppina Mecchia <gmecchia@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Get the first one. Alexis Rzewski From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California In my opinion, (2) is for someone new to Object Oriented programming. (1) is for the competent OO programmer who just wants to get up to speed on writing real applications under NEXTSTEP. I have (1) and found it very useful and well written. I flipped through a copy of (2) for about 10 minutes (and downloaded the TOC and code a few months ago). It also seemed useful and well written, but that was my impression after a rather cursory look. In general, it seems that (2) is for the less experienced OO programmer who wants to begin to understand OO in a NEXTSTEP context. (1) is for someone who is ready to start writing NEXSTEP apps. Hope that helps. -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc Subject: PC Expo Date: 30 Jun 1993 20:09:35 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <20srtv$153@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Does anyone know what is going on at PC Expo in New York? Does NeXT have a booth? So far, from newsbytes the only news I heard from the 85,000 attendance show is that Bill Gates is "promising" NT by July 24. Yeah right! Any NEXTSTEP news? Eric
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