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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane) Subject: Re: >>>HELP<<< PLEASE: Fujitsu hard disk problems Message-ID: <C0Hp12.1BM@newsflash.concordia.ca> Sender: usenet@newsflash.concordia.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec References: <Mta=3D@engin.umich.edu> <1993Jan6.175559.17831@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:15:02 GMT Wassim M. Jabi (wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu) wrote: : Hi: : I've been experiencing some trouble with my Fujitsu 520MB : external. It happens once or twice a week. I would hear the disk : go "click, click" and then the console window will have these messages : scrolling by. Many times an alert window would come up telling me : to save documents before logging out. Any idea what is going on? : : Messages: : ------ cut here ----------------------------- : Target 0: HARDWARE ERROR; block 0H retry 1 : Target 0: NOT READY; retry 1 : Target 0: NOT READY; retry 2 : . : . : . : Target 0: NOT READY; retry 19 : sd0 (0,0): sense key:0x2 additional sense code: 0x4 : SCSI Block in error = 0 (front porch) : IO error on pagein: error = 5. : Dec 30 15:00:18 Workspace: Controller exited. : ------ cut here ----------------------------- : HELP!!!!!! Well, as I can testify... that's not good news. My HD was DOA. It was a M2624F rev 0304 and it was just going click click ... no stop. Nothing worked! Fujistu techie said that it was the drive was unable to read it's own specification area! Yikes! Now I have another one, a rev 0404 that arrive a week ago. This one requires absulutelly no jumper modifications, as it talks lingua franca SCSI either way. Nice improovment. Personally, I'm looking for the sense on a 1024 Byte formated one... anybody ? +---------------------------------+ ___ ___ ___ | Stephane I. Matis | / \_BATLLETECH /\__\ Viva NeXT! | E-Mail : kgnome@cs.concordia.ca | \___/ \___/ \/__/ NeXTSTEP 3.0! | "It Just Works..." - Steve Jobs | \___/ +---------------------------------+ Wolfnet Operative & NeXThead
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu Subject: Re: Sony digital output and NeXT DSP Message-ID: <1993Jan7.184622.1194@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <1993Jan6.074202.17403@news.acns.nwu.edu> Distribution: USA Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:46:22 GMT In article <1993Jan6.074202.17403@news.acns.nwu.edu> jland@nwu.edu (John Landwehr) writes: > I remember a schematic that showed connections to a chip inside a sony > discplayer, but I would prefer not to have to open a minidisk player, and > just use the digital input/output connections. > If anyone has said schematic, could you mail it to me, or else point me to where I might find it? I recently tried hooking my cube to my Sony 5 disk changer, but I couldn't find the right pins. Thanks -- Jonathan Hendry Anderson Financial Systems jon@afs.com (Nextmail Welcome!) or hendryjw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu sk player, and > just use the digital input/output connections. > If anyone has said schematic, could you mail it to me, or else point me to where I might find it? I recently tried hooking my cube to my Sony 5 disk changer, b
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yang@blumen.cc.nctu.edu.tw (Tony Guo) Subject: Re: Mac CD Drives In-Reply-To: mflafeer@athena.mit.edu's message of Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:21:57 GMT Message-ID: <YANG.93Jan8111407@blumen.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw (News Sender) Organization: /Users/yang/.organization References: <1993Jan6.232157.28147@athena.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:14:07 GMT Apple CD 150 works with NeXT.(My personal experience) Tyng-Jing
From: kucerarj@elizabeth.dorm.rose-hulman.edu (Ryan J Kucera) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Dimension Date: 8 Jan 1993 03:12:54 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1iirfmINNe4v@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993Jan6.230231.27513@athena.mit.edu> In article <1993Jan6.230231.27513@athena.mit.edu> mflafeer@athena.mit.edu (Mohamed F. Lafeer) writes: > I have an opportunity to buy a NeXT Dimension system. I understand that the > ND board never lived up to initial advertisement and may have some bugs. > Could someone please summarize what this board can and cannot do and what > bugs may exist? > > I have three specific questions: > > 1.) Does this board and its software work under 3.0? Everything works and looks great. The interface looks better than the color stations. > 2.) How much memory do I need to add the the board? I would at least have 16 megs on the board (I have 20). It just makes everything much faster. > 3.) Does this card work with monitors other than the NeXT monitors? I think it works only with NeXT monitors but I'm probably wrong. > > Thanks for your help. > > -M.Firoze Lafeer > mflafeer@athena.mit.edu Ryan kucerarj@kucerarj.test.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Black CD-ROM caddy Message-ID: <1993Jan8.035929.4453@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:59:29 GMT Hi, Can someone point me out where to get black CD-ROM caddy? And the price info? $14/caddy from Nextconnection? Is that okay? Gary -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: Sony to Create Mini-Disks for PC Storage Message-ID: <pf!3-vp@rpi.edu> References: <1i8894INN6j5@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:11:02 GMT On Jan 3rd, izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > I just came across this, and thought you might be interested. > > NeXT's original optical disk flopped, but this may be what everyone > wanted all along with features: > > * 130MB re-writable storage > * Cheap blank media ($12 now) which you can buy in any audio store > * For mass distribution, pre-recorded (read-only) stamped format > like CD-ROM is available. Will it be called MD-ROM? How fast is it? MO drives are getting close to hard drive speeds now, and can handle 256 meg cartridges (on 3.5" disks). You can't get the speed *and* the 256 meg size in the same drive (yet), but I'm sure that future drives will improve on current offerings. Me, I'd like something even larger than 130 meg for use on the NeXT (though 100meg would be fine for my Mac). > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Newsgroups: clari.nb.trends,clari.nb.top,biz.clarinet.sample > Subject: ****Sony to Create Mini-Disks for PC Storage 12/24/92 > > Expected to be ready for commercial release in about two years, > the Mini-Disk is smaller than a 3.5-inch floppy disk, but it > can store 130 megabytes data, or about 130 times more than > a regular 3.5-inch floppy disk. With these advantages, Sony is > betting that the Mini-Disk will replace not only floppy disks > but also the optical disc in the future. If they don't expect commercial release of this for another two years, then they should realize that they shouldn't be comparing themselves with 1.4 meg floppy drives (gee, the NeXT has 2.8 already, and that doesn't count newer floptical or 3.5" MO drive technologies). If this was available *today* it could be a big hit, but two years from now the competition will be much different, I'm sure. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Black CD-ROM caddy Message-ID: <1993Jan8.054557.1543@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1993Jan8.035929.4453@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 05:45:57 GMT In article <1993Jan8.035929.4453@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu writes: > Can someone point me out where to get black CD-ROM caddy? And the >price info? $14/caddy from Nextconnection? Is that okay? Can't answer any of your questions (that's why I'm repsonding :-), but upon seeing the grey end of caddy through the flap of the black drive, the first time I used it, I whipped out a black felt-tip marker and painted that end black. Low-tech but effective, and virtually free. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Black CD-ROM caddy Message-ID: <C0J4JF.A3M@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Jan8.035929.4453@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:47:39 GMT In article <1993Jan8.035929.4453@news.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu writes: >Hi, > > Can someone point me out where to get black CD-ROM caddy? And the >price info? $14/caddy from Nextconnection? Is that okay? Go into any store that sells the Amiga CDTV (or any of the mail order Amiga places that deal with it). It uses black caddies. $14 is not reasonable. Philip philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: tg@chmsr.gatech.edu (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Seeking information on Wacom tablet Message-ID: <79486@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 8 Jan 93 14:03:49 GMT Sender: news@prism.gatech.EDU Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Center for Human-Machine Systems Research - Georgia Tech I recently acquired a copy of Virtuoso. Since it can support the Wacom tablet, I would like to determine if it is worth getting one. I have no idea of how much it costs and what other applications can use the Wacom tablet. Any comments and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. govind -- T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873 tg@chmsr.gatech.edu,NeXTmail welcome. Member, League for Programming Freedom (write lpf@uunet.uu.net) School of Industrial and Systems Engineering, Georgia Institute of Technology 765 Ferst Drive, ISyE-0205, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Subject: HELP: Dump problem with HP 35480A DAT Streamer Message-ID: <1993Jan8.100905.601@marcon.ka.sub.org> Sender: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Organization: The little black box game department Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:09:05 GMT Hi, I've got problems with the DAT Streamer HP 35480A running at NeXT machines when working with dump/restore. Dumping files to the streamer workes fine, but performing a restore from a dump produces a strange behaviour. Some times it works fine, the next time I get following error: ST:CMD=0x8 SR_IO_STATUS=2H Sense Key=0x0 Sense Code=0x0 Tape/Disk Read Error: I/O Error I tried the streamer with various NeXT machines, Cube's, Mono's, Turbo Color's and I always got the same problems with restore. When using tar to write and read to the streamer no errors ocured. Doe's anybody know this problem and how to solve it? Thank you very much for your help. -- Stati Marinos | Phone : +49 721 37 71 78 Gartenstr. 2 | Fax : +49 721 37 71 79 7500 Karlsruhe 1 (GERMANY) | E-Mail: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org Registered NeXTDeveloper | - NeXTMail welcome -
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:44:34 EST From: <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93008.094434HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Color Printer Cartridges. I heard through a marketdroid at Canon that some US companies are selling refilling kits for the NeXT Color Printer and the equivelent Canon machine (the BJC-800). Has anyone heard of who this might be, or have suggestions on who I could call. Yes, this will void the warranty on the printer, but that's about to expire on my Canon anyway...... Please respond by email and I'll summarize if I get anywhere. Rob Harrap Dept. Geological Sciences Queen's University Kingston, Ont. Canada harrapr@qucdn.queensu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wave@waits.media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Seeking information on Wacom tablet Message-ID: <1993Jan8.223037.3161@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <79486@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:30:37 GMT T. Govindaraj writes > I recently acquired a copy of Virtuoso. Since it can support the Wacom > tablet, I would like to determine if it is worth getting one. I have no > idea of how much it costs and what other applications can use the Wacom > tablet. Any comments and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > Create 3.0 (which isn't shipping yet, but probably will be soon) has Wacom support. Wacom's generally cost several hundred dollars, pick up any Mac magazine. The 6x9 pad is very compact and nice, I think it's under $500. The larger tablets (I have the 12x12 electrostatic) are very nice but definitely take up space (the power supply is under the tablet, as opposed to running through a wire to the tablet). Let me check... Hmm. I can't find a Mac magazine quickly to check, but I remember that the last time I recommended a Wacom purchase, I found the cheapest price to be one of those 900 number Mac vendors (I think it was in TX). I believe the electrostatic 12x12 was about $700. If you're a programmer, the interface to using the pressure info is very nice (thanks Peter!). There's a good demo in /NextDeveloper/Examples/AppKit/UnderPressure. I find the Wacom to be a wonderful device to use, and wish more software supported it (i.e. Appsoft Image). Hopefully more will this year. -- --> Michael B. Johnson --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu --> NeXT Mail accepted at wave@nordine.media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kohno@medicine.ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Fujimasa Kohno) Subject: Re: Help Wanted: External SCSI Disk (From SUN) Message-ID: <1993Jan9.092522.24080@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Sender: news@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Kyoto University, JAPAN References: <63133@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 09:25:22 GMT In article <63133@mimsy.umd.edu> nzhang@umiacs.umd.edu (Ning Zhang) writes: > I am new to this NeXT world. I have an external Seagate SCSI disk > originally was connected to a SUN SparcStation. When I tried to > connect the disk to a NeXTstation (TurboColor), the machine complained > the SCSI error and the system would not boot. I changed the target ID > of the disk several times with the same error. > > I was wondering if there is any difference between the SCSI on NeXT > and the one on SUN Sparc? Or, did I do something wrong? FYI, I used > the SCSI cable from SUN for connecting the disk to the NeXT box. > > I am sure the SCSI interface of the NeXT box is OK as a scanner connected > to it works fine. > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, > > -Ning I believe SUN conforms to SCSI-2 whereas NeXT to SCSI-1. So, don't forget to set the jumper switch to work in asynchronized mode. But, judging from the symptom, it may be a terminator problem. -Fujimasa-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kohno@medicine.ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Fujimasa Kohno) Subject: Re: Instructions on modifying CPU board for multi-CPU NeXTcube Message-ID: <1993Jan9.093644.24622@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Sender: news@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Kyoto University, JAPAN References: <C0DLrJ.21E@sounds.wa.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 09:36:44 GMT In article <C0DLrJ.21E@sounds.wa.com> BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby) writes: > Brian Willoughby writes > | Brian Willoughby writes > | | > | | Does anyone have a copy of this posting that they could e-mail to me? > | > | Got it, thanks! > > Well, so many other folks (at least eleven) e-mailed me who also wanted these > instructions that I decided to submit Felix A. Lugo's articles to the Archives. > > If anyone else is thinking of asking me to e-mail them a copy of the multi-CPU > back-plane modification, take a look on Sonata.cc.Purdue.EDU and cs.OrSt.EDU in > the pub/next/submissions directory for the file Dual_CPU_Back-plane.Z Thanks. I'll check sonata.cc.purdue.edu. -Fujimasa-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de(Ralf Neumann) Subject: Music-CD-production with NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan9.124359.784@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de Organization: no Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:43:59 GMT Hello! I am looking for informations about soft- and hardware for the production of a CD with my NeXT. Because I'm Flamencogitarrist I need to record acoustic guitar, voice and handclapping. So the Midi-stuff is not very interessting for me. As far as I know, I need a lot of space on my harddisk (about 1 GB), a stereo A/D converter like Sony PCM 501, ProPort 656, Irkem Board, HolsteinA/D and a Streamer to save the songs. The sofware should have minimal 16 to 2 tracks and effects should be included (I heard that Metrosoft is bringing a new one (Metrotracks) out) but I got no more informations. I have very small ideas about getting out a mastertape (I think I need another converting thing to get the song as normal industrial CD format on a DAT player). If you got any information about this or other stuff for the professional producing of CD's or any systems you have developed I would be very glad to here about them (also prices would be very interesting (inclusive shipping) cause here abroad everything is very expensive. I wish you a happy new year from Berlin Ralf -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|* %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner) Subject: Re: Sony to Create Mini-Disks for PC Storage Message-ID: <1993Jan9.075348.29362@gagetalker.com> Sender: scotty@gagetalker.com Organization: L5 Computing References: <pf!3-vp@rpi.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:53:48 GMT In article <pf!3-vp@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: |> MO drives are getting close to hard drive speeds now, and can handle 256 meg |> cartridges (on 3.5" disks). You can't get the speed *and* the 256 meg size |> in the same drive (yet), but I'm sure that future drives will improve on |> current offerings. Me, I'd like something even larger than 130 meg for use |> on the NeXT (though 100meg would be fine for my Mac). Sony claims hard disk class performance for their MD MO technology. This is a whole new MO material that is _much_ faster than that in use on the current 3.5" and 5.25" MO systems. They claim a write speed of 8Mbits per second. This new material also allowed them to lighten the optical head and they claim that the MZ-1 MD recorder can position the head in 13ms (part of their "You can't make this unit skip" technology.) I've heard that they have a new 5.25" unit using the new material about ready for release... Other rumors say Apple will be shipping the MD-size computer drives later this year. And if all of that isn't enough, Sony claims they can make "hybrid" MD's that are part ROM and part MO. This would evidently be used for something like a new Nintendo machine (and Sony _is_ working with Nintendo on their new machine...) Scotty
From: tjhendry@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: CD player -> NeXT DSP Message-ID: <1993Jan9.191817.21270@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 9 Jan 93 19:18:17 GMT Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Drexel University If anyone has the article which described how to hook a CD player to the DSP, could you please mail it to me? Or perhaps point me to where I might find it in the archives. Thanks! -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Information Studies Anderson Financial Systems "Programmer-in-Exile" :) tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (No NEXTMail :( )
From: tjhendry@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: OD Media ruined by Funky Optical Drive?Keywords: Message-ID: <1993Jan9.192749.21334@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 9 Jan 93 19:27:49 GMT Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University I have an optical drive which was operating poorly and apparently botched my two disks. I tried cleaning the drive (with the NeXT kit) but I do not know if the cleaning worked, since both disks are bad. When I put one in, if it doesn't spit it out immediately, the machine says it needs to be initialized. All goes fine, for a while, then I start getting read and write errors, and the machine says it couldn't write the disk`s label. Does it sound like the media is bad or is the drive still bad? Can an optical drive permanently disable an optical disk? Please respond via email. I have to go through all sorts of contortions to read the NeXT groups at Drexel. Thanks. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Information Studies Anderson Financial Systems "Programmer-in-Exile" :) tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (No NEXTMail :( )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lfahnoe@kegworks.mn.org (Larry Fahnoe) Subject: Re: Diagnostics for NeXT Optical Drive Message-ID: <1993Jan9.162047.16166@kegworks.mn.org> Organization: The Kegworks, Minneapolis, Minnesota References: <C0DMwx.2EJ@sounds.wa.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:20:47 GMT In article <C0DMwx.2EJ@sounds.wa.com> BrianW@SoundS.WA.com writes: >About the only thing suggested which I did not do was to purchase a cleaning >kit. Perhaps a less expensive source for the NeXT Optical Drive cleaning kit >would be the solution I need. I don't even know NeXT's part number. That >would help, too. Yep, they are a tad on the $$ side, but: NeXT p/n S3901, Optical disk drive head cleaner, ~$95 This unit's box is labeled OM-HC1, and has `Made in Japan' on the box so I'm suspecting that you could call Canon USA and get hold of is as well. I simply got tired of trying to chase down a source. My last attempts included a Canon optics division in Chicago which passed me along to a local distributor. NeXT p/n S3902, Optical disk cleaning kit, ~$25 This does have the Canon logo on it, with part number MO-CK1, and has a code number SSG-i0001-0E. --Larry -- Larry Fahnoe Cellular One 612/832-7616 7900 S. Xerxes Ave, Suite 301 lfahnoe@kegworks.mn.org Minneapolis, MN 55431
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) Subject: Re: Interface zwischen CD-player und NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan9.092402.13125@black.toppoint.de> Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V. References: <KAK0B2@obh.in-berlin.de> <1993Jan8.065824.2175@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de> <1ijggkINN2on@klaus.physchem.chemie.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 09:24:02 GMT Reproduktion, auch auszugsweise, ausserhalb elektronischer, nichtkommerzieller Datennetze nur mit ausdruecklichem, schriftlichem Einverstaendnis des Autors. How to connect a CD player to a NeXTstation digitally? In <1ijggkINN2on@klaus.physchem.chemie.uni-tuebingen.de> andreas@atlas.physchem.chemie.uni-tuebingen.de (Andreas Haug) writes: >Nein, es ist ein S/PDIF nach synchron-serial converter, er wandelt also >die "Digital Audio" Daten des CD/DAT-Players in fuer den DSP verstaendliche >Signale, und das fuer einen Materialpreis von ca. 50 DM. Translate: No, it is a S/PDIF to syncronous-serial converter, it changes "digital audio" output of a CD/DAT-player into a signal that is understood by the DSP and all that with material for approx. 50 DM. >Unser einziges Problem ist, dass das Ausgabeformat (2 Words a 32 Bit) nicht >mit dem von "gewerblichen" vergleichbaren Geraeten (2 Words a 16 Bit) identisch >ist. Sollte sich jemand bereit finden daran weiterzuarbeiten koennten wir >die Schaltung als "Public Domain" (bzw. unter der GNU PL) veroeffentlichen. Our sole problem is the data format (2 words of 32 bit) which is incompatible with that of "commercial" comparable devices (2 words of 16 bit). If someone is interested to do research on this, we will give the plans for the circuit away as public domain (or under GNU GPL). It looks roughly like this: >Grob sieht es so aus: > Quarz > ! >Digital Schmitt- YM3623B DSP > IN >----> trigger >-----> (all-in-one) >-----> OUT >Der Rest besteht aus Widerstaenden Konsensatoren und _viel_ Kabeln :-). plus resistors, capacities and cabling. Reply-To is set. Kristian -- Kristian Koehntopp, Harmsstrasse 98, 2300 Kiel, +49 431 676689 "Better to have Linux RT than Windows NT" -- Kristian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yikes@netcom.com (Jenny Doll) Subject: Re: Seeking information on Wacom tablet Message-ID: <1993Jan10.014126.1196@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <79486@hydra.gatech.EDU> <1993Jan8.223037.3161@news.media.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:41:26 GMT >Create 3.0 (which isn't shipping yet, but probably will be soon) has Wacom >support. Wacom's generally cost several hundred dollars, pick up any Mac >magazine. The 6x9 pad is very compact and nice, I think it's under $500. The Does anyone know if the new Wacom ArtZ tablet will be supported? It's an ADB drawing tablet (6" x 8") that they were selling at MacWorld for $299. ...Michael Brill -- ----
From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Richard Page resigns ... Date: 10 Jan 1993 02:06:22 GMT Organization: Univ of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> From San Francisco Chronicle Business Section B2, Jan 9, 93. Co-Founder Resignes Post At Next Inc. Richard Page, a co-founder with Steven Jobs of the computer maker Next Inc., resigned as general manager of hardware yesterday, increasing speculation that the company was moving to become a software publisher. Page, who was one of the principal hardware engineers at Apple Computer Inc. involved in the design of the original Macintosh computer, joined Jobs and four others in leaving Apple seven years ago to found Next. Since then, three of the original founders have left the company, leaving only Jobs and George Crowe. A company spokeswoman said that Page had left for "personal reasons" and that she did not know his plans. ------------------------------------------------------------- Posted without comment. If anyone has statements or press releases about this, please post. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $BBg_78^=;(B ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTmail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu (Gary I. Chang) Subject: Re: ROM monitor error --- Solved..Now boot in Multi-user mode. Message-ID: <1993Jan10.051717.24305@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:17:17 GMT Hi, I do not know how I actually did it, but it works. Now the problem are gone forever. The bootup process no longer stucks in the ROM monitor.... It boots while displaying the spinning disk only. And it goes all the way to loginwindow with CD-ROM drive connected.... Here's what I did: 1. Re-install 3.0 from CD-ROM..... bfd CD-ROM tool to boot from CD-ROM Drive, for old NSC. 2. re-set parameters in the ROM monitor--- I turn extended diagonistic test off and shutdown verbose mode. g P.S. You will lose quite a few thing even if you choose not to erase your Hard disk. It took me one day to bring back my SLIP setup and netinfo, as well as the userInfo. -- +----------------+ | Gary I. Chang | +----------------+ Northwestern Univ. E-Mail: garyc@eecs.nwu.edu
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: IBM 1Gig Disks - Don't! -> they do ! Message-ID: <umjd8lc@zuni.esd.sgi.com> Date: 10 Jan 93 07:48:32 GMT References: <1993Jan4.183215.11821@bernina.ethz.ch> <1993Jan5.161126.24505@news.lrz-muenchen.de> Sender: news@zuni.esd.sgi.com (Net News) Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA In <1993Jan5.161126.24505@news.lrz-muenchen.de> jolly@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Patrick Stein) writes: | In article <1993Jan4.183215.11821@bernina.ethz.ch> flog@open.ch (Florian | Gutzwiller) writes: | > We've just had some annoying experieence with the IBM 0663 and 0663E 3 1/2 | hard | > disk drives. They won't work on NeXTs. | | First time we tried to install the IBM 633E in a Station | the drive did not work, but without contact to the cover | of the station it works well ...probably the 663E was too | close to the cover. | We installed it then in a cube and all works fine since | then. | jolly Probably the mounting screws on the drive were the problem. These drives have copper foil sitting at +2v just inside the chassis, and if the mounting screws are just a tad too long, they short the chassis to the foil, and the drive doesn't work too well in this state. *Lousy* mechanical design! Other than that, the drive is pretty solid, if not all that fast by current high end drive standards. -- Let no one tell me that silence gives consent, | Dave Olson because whoever is silent dissents. | Silicon Graphics, Inc. Maria Isabel Barreno | olson@sgi.com
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Micropolis 1.2GB drive model 1598-15 Message-ID: <43277@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 10 Jan 93 08:06:13 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Hello, everyone, Does anyone have any experience with using the Micropolis 1.2GB hard disk (Model #1598-15) with their NeXT? I'm looking to get a fairly large and not-too-expensive second drive since I've filled up my first one (well, I guess I filled it up a long time ago, but I'm getting ready to make the $1500 plunge into another drive only now...:-)). The Micropolis is a SCSI2 device (capable of SCSI1 I'm told by the salesperson) that's made for PC type machines. Would I need any special software or information to set it up for a NeXT (probably, right?) or would it be plug and play (it's worth hoping...my nice new RAM chips were plug and play!)? Any help or leads to where I can find more information would be greatly appreciated. I'll summarize and post any general or particular info I receive. Thanks very much in advance! -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 12Volt power supply for hard drive Message-ID: <43285@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 10 Jan 93 20:24:38 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Another question for the hardware gurus... Does anyone know how critical the 12V value is that is supplied by the power supply for a hard drive? I just bought a power supply (and case) and measured 5 volts for the +-5 lines, and only 10.6 volts for the supposed +-12 lines. Is this standard? Acceptable? Should I try to return this to the store? Thanks for your help. General interest: this power supply is part of a baby tower case (Manufacturer=Achieve) with 4 bays, 8 slots, and can supply 230W (supposedly, haven't tested this) and 12V (not true according to a voltimeter anyhow). Cost was $43 before tax. A typical price in San Diego. Color is NOT black :-(. -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: davisj@wimpy.aero.org (john davis) Subject: Printing Envelopes Message-ID: <1993Jan10.204128.19469@speedy.aero.org> Keywords: print, envelope, NeXT printer Sender: news@speedy.aero.org Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:41:28 GMT I'm trying to print standard size envelopes using my Next printer, but I'm having problems with the envelopes only feeding halfway and then stalling. Is there a way to print envelopes through the paper try or is the only way to do it is by manual feed? Any suggestions or tips would be welcomed. Thanks John C Davis davisj@wimpy.aero.org (NeXT Mail ok)
Organization: Arizona State University Date: Sunday, 10 Jan 1993 13:40:49 MST From: <ASODL@ASUACAD.BITNET> Message-ID: <93010.134049ASODL@ASUACAD.BITNET> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Richard Page resigns ... References: <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> I will try and follow with the exact article listing and reference information later this week on this matter. In addition to the information you listed about Richard Page's resignation, the blurb in the Friday, Jan. 8th edition of the Tempe Tribune (Tempe, AZ) relative to this also mentioned that he was burnt out and would probably start a company of his own. Also, and somewhat of a surprise, this article announced that NeXT was DROPPING support of NeXTWorld if I recall correctly. Like a hot rock is how it sounded to me.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: andrew@cubetech.com Subject: Re: Richard Page resigns ... Message-ID: <1993Jan10.212134.17542@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:21:34 GMT In article <1io0au$oi5@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >From San Francisco Chronicle Business Section B2, Jan 9, 93. > >Co-Founder Resignes Post At Next Inc. > >Richard Page, a co-founder with Steven Jobs of the computer maker >Next Inc., resigned as general manager of hardware yesterday, >increasing speculation that the company was moving to become >a software publisher. > >Page, who was one of the principal hardware engineers at >Apple Computer Inc. involved in the design of the original >Macintosh computer, joined Jobs and four others in leaving >Apple seven years ago to found Next. Since then, three >of the original founders have left the company, leaving >only Jobs and George Crowe. > >A company spokeswoman said that Page had left for "personal >reasons" and that she did not know his plans. >------------------------------------------------------------- > >Posted without comment. If anyone has statements or >press releases about this, please post. According to the Times article, he was burned out and had tried to resign several times in the past, but Jobs urged him to stay. People working closely with Steve Jobs getting burned out is not at all unusual or uncommon. The original Macintosh group at Apple had t-shirts that said "Working 100 hours a week and loving it.".... andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dlewis@fnma.com Subject: Re: HELP: Dump problem with HP 35480A DAT Streamer Message-ID: <1993Jan10.165346.1301@almserv.uucp> Sender: usenet@almserv.uucp Organization: Fannie Mae References: <1993Jan8.100905.601@marcon.ka.sub.org> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:53:46 GMT In article <1993Jan8.100905.601@marcon.ka.sub.org> emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) writes: > Hi, > > I've got problems with the DAT Streamer HP 35480A running at NeXT machines when > working with dump/restore. > > Dumping files to the streamer workes fine, but performing a restore from a dump > produces a strange behaviour. Some times it works fine, the next time I get > following error: > > ST:CMD=0x8 SR_IO_STATUS=2H > Sense Key=0x0 > Sense Code=0x0 > Tape/Disk Read Error: I/O Error > > I tried the streamer with various NeXT machines, Cube's, Mono's, Turbo Color's > and I always got the same problems with restore. When using tar to write and > read to the streamer no errors ocured. > > Doe's anybody know this problem and how to solve it? > > Thank you very much for your help. > -- > Stati Marinos | Phone : +49 721 37 71 78 > Gartenstr. 2 | Fax : +49 721 37 71 79 > 7500 Karlsruhe 1 (GERMANY) | E-Mail: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org > Registered NeXTDeveloper | - NeXTMail welcome - I've had this problem with HP DAT drives too. I've found that you can sometimes "reset" the SCSI for the tape by executing "restore i" before using "restore if /dev/nrst0". This causes an attempted access to the (on my machine) non-existent Exabyte interface, and seems to be equivalent to applying a "swift kick" to the machine. I've discovered that applying this procedure once after rebooting the machine seems to fix things till the next time the machine is rebooted. Give it a try. DL --- David Lewis Senior Software Engineer On contract to: Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) dlewis@fnma.com (NeXTmail OK), 202-752-4785
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: andrew@cubetech.com Subject: Re: Reading data from serial ports Message-ID: <1993Jan10.214647.17818@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1if20rINNfjn@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:46:47 GMT In article <1if20rINNfjn@menudo.uh.edu> sears@uh.edu writes: > >Is there a way to read data in from the serial ports? We have tried >something to the effect of > >cat /dev/ttya | od -c > >but we are not getting any results. We need to grab all data comming in >via either serial port and the data is 8-bit (binary, thus the need to >pipe to od). Can anyone tell me what we are doing wrong? Which of the >ttys would be best to use (ttya, ttyda, ttydfa, ttydfa)? The best way would probably be to get one of the serial port objects. To read the data from the port you basically send a readData: message to the object and pass it a buffer... BenaTong has an object called SerialSolutions. I think it's $50, and it looks easy to use (I have only seen the API - I have not used it). It's probably worth checking it out. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Printing Envelopes Keywords: print, envelope, NeXT printer Message-ID: <43297@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 00:31:25 GMT References: <1993Jan10.204128.19469@speedy.aero.org> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego In article <1993Jan10.204128.19469@speedy.aero.org> davisj@wimpy.aero.org (john davis) writes: >I'm trying to print standard size envelopes using my Next printer, but I'm >having problems with the envelopes only feeding halfway and then stalling. >Is there a way to print envelopes through the paper try or is the only way >to do it is by manual feed? Any suggestions or tips would be welcomed. > >Thanks John C Davis >davisj@wimpy.aero.org (NeXT Mail ok) John, I've printed envelopes of all sizes, shapes, and thicknesses using my NeXT printer,and in all cases, I've found the method of greatest reliability is to use the manual feed. Some envelopes, particularly the thicker ones, need a bit of a push to get them in past what feels like a curve in the track, but once the feeder gets a good grip after that point, there's no problem. I don't mind handfeeding them, because I find that the heat often causes the envelope glues to be activated, so they usually need to be opened as soon as they've dropped out the other side of the printer, otherwise they get glued permanently shut in several spots. -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: andrew@cubetech.com Subject: Re: Hayes ISDN Extender Message-ID: <1993Jan11.033037.609@cubetech.com> Keywords: Hayes ISDN Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Jan7.140735.13902@daimi.aau.dk> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:30:37 GMT In article <1993Jan7.140735.13902@daimi.aau.dk> jhj@daimi.aau.dk (Jens H|rup Jensen) writes: >Is it possible to use the Hayes ISDN Extender with a normal telephone line >as a modem and a fax-modem. If yes, at what speed? It could be a 2400 bps data modem (V.22bis) and a 9600 bps fax (T.30), but not anything higher than that...if someone with the expertise decided to write the software. Modems are so cheap now that it wouldn't be worth the effort to do it. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Toshiba MK-538FB, any experience? Message-ID: <43311@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 06:09:06 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Well, in my search for a reliable, inexpensive, easy to use hard drive, I've come across several glowing recommendations for the Toshiba MK-538FB, which is a 3.5" hard drive that's extremely fast, seems to be very reliable, and *formats* to 1.2GB. All for the price of ~$1400 by mail. So, my natural question is, has anyone here had any experiences setting one of these up to run on a NeXT? Is it plug and play? Does it require hacking to get NeXTStep to recognize it? (2.2 or 3.0?) My information source uses it on a 486-50 and is totally satisfied with its performance. Anyone who wants more info on how to get the product can e-mail me. Any comments on whether this device runs with a NeXT and how much work it takes to set up will be appreciated. Thank you! -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
From: gstecker@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Chris Stecker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NCP and Apple Color Printer-differences? Summary: Are they the same? Message-ID: <43312@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 06:35:17 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Does anyone know what the technical diferences between the Next Color Printer and the new Apple Color Printer are? We got a demo unit of the ACP into the UCSD bookstore last week, and it appears to be nearly identical to the NCP, though we currently do not have a demo model of the latter. Chris Stecker gstecker@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: amencke@panix.com (Andres Mencke) Subject: Hayes ISDNeXTender Questions. Message-ID: <C0oIEK.FF@panix.com> Summary: Would you recommend ISDNeXTender? Keywords: isdnextender,hayes,isdn,question,help Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:35:08 GMT 1)What software is available and how well does it perform? 2)How well does the ISDNeXTender itself perform on ISDN and ordinary telephone lines? Any known hardware bugs? Thanks. Andres Mencke Internet: amencke@panix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Micropolis 1.2GB drive model 1598-15 Message-ID: <1993Jan11.101133.14306@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 10:11:33 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <43277@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <43277@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> writes: > Hello, everyone, > > Does anyone have any experience with using the Micropolis 1.2GB > hard disk (Model #1598-15) with their NeXT? I'm looking to get > a fairly large and not-too-expensive second drive since I've filled > up my first one (well, I guess I filled it up a long time ago, but > I'm getting ready to make the $1500 plunge into another drive > only now...:-)). The Micropolis is a SCSI2 device (capable of SCSI1 > I'm told by the salesperson) that's made for PC type machines. > Would I need any special software or information to set it up for a > NeXT (probably, right?) or would it be plug and play (it's worth > hoping...my nice new RAM chips were plug and play!)? Any help or > leads to where I can find more information would be greatly > appreciated. I'll summarize and post any general or particular info > I receive. > Thanks very much in advance! > > -Lily Liou > lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu > It's plug-and-play! Had no problems with a test drive. Currently I have a DEC drive (1G formatted) in my slab. No problems at all. -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: Re: NeXT Dimension Message-ID: <1993Jan11.112606.3215@csie.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@csie.nctu.edu.tw Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC References: <1iirfmINNe4v@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:26:06 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: heller@heller.slip.uiuc.edu (Helmut Heller) Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-538FB, any experience? References: <43311@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: <C0p36y.9pu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:04:05 GMT In article <43311@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) writes: > Toshiba MK-538FB > Any comments on whether this device runs with a NeXT > and how much work it takes to set up will be appreciated. I have this drive as an external SCSI drive on my NeXTstation Turbo and it was plug and play! No problem at all and it works just great! Here is how much memory you get if you format it as a NeXT drive: /dev/sd1a 1175379 342694 715147 32% /albino I am all for it, no minuses! -- Servus, Helmut (W9/DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail preferred________________ heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" FAX: (217)244-6078 ZEN, one of BLAKES7 Phone: (217)244-6914 ------------------------------------------------- Helmut Heller, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Beckman Institute Theoretical Biophysics Group, Room 3143, MC 251
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: climpach@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Limpach) Subject: where can I buy NeXT ??? Message-ID: <1993Jan11.162103.6590@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: Informatik Club d. Universitaet, Zuerich Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:21:03 GMT Hi, can someone please send me some places where I can buy a NeXT colorstation for a goof price. Anywhere is fine, as long as it is not too expensive... Please reply by netmail, as I don't read this group... christian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rebel@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Edward Piou) Subject: Need recommendations on hardware for backups Message-ID: <1993Jan11.183321.5063@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Edarchy First! Distribution: na Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:33:21 GMT Hi. I am looking for recommendations on a good DAT tape drive or other backup system with which to make backups of a NeXT network. We have 4 stations, and are approaching 1 gigabyte of disk space. Something compatible with IBM PCs would be desirable, but not necessary. Please respond by email, and I will post a summary of responses in a week or two. Email to piou@page1.com or the address below. thanx ep -- "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own - you won't hold me. This policy may be changed in return for monetary or sexual favors, though." (The PrisonEd) Edward T. Piou rebel@deathstar.stanford.edu Edarchy First!
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: micropolis, toshiba, gigabyte drives... Message-ID: <43336@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 19:38:21 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Hi, Netters! Well, it looks as if my search for "a few good drives" is turning into a bit of a survey. When our saga started out last week, I asked you all for your feelings about and experiences with the Micropolis 1598-15. Soon, I heard positive things about the Toshiba MK-538FB and then the Seagate 11200N and the Micropolis 2112. Well, I'd still like to hear more about these, particularly the Seagate and the Micropolis 2112. Here is a bit of a preliminary summary for those who may be interested in following the discussion: Micropolis 1598-15 Plug and play, no problems overall. Formats to 1.0 GB with 512byte blocks. 14-15ms access time, good transfer rate. Old style 5.25" platters, not super-noisy, not silent when seeking. Manufacturer claims MTBF at 150kHrs. Price for internal drive is ~1500. TOshiba MK-5528FB Plug and play, no problems overall. Several enthusiastive supporters of this product wrote to me. Formats to 1.2 GB. IS the new 3.5" platter, so seek time closer to 10-11ms. Fairly noisy when seeking but silent sequential access. Has been reliable so far (18 mo. for one person). Priced at ~1400. Although I am most tempted to go for this one, based on current information. East Coast Electronics, the vendor I called, claims that 20 out of their 300 drives sold has had problems (over some unknown time period) and Toshiba's turnaround time for repairs is pathetic (90days) Good transfer rate. Seagate 11200N A newcomer to this survey. Supposedly runs at 5400 rpm for superior data transfer rate. Supposedly plugs and plays for NeXT according to a vendor. Formats to 1.0GB. Is the 3.5" size, I would assume at those rotation speeds. Priced at $1450 for the internal version. ********************************************************* I'd appreciate some information from users out there: Are you happy with your drive? Was it easy to install? Reliable? Good access speed? Noise? Any other comments? ********************************************************* Micropolis 2112 This drive was reviewed in NeXTWorld Spring '92. The price has come down to $1450, same as the Seagate for the internal version. Another 3.5" platter. Seemed reasonably reliable. Formats to 1.0 GB. Plug 'n' Play. I heard one report that there might be a vibration problem. (No worse than rumors for the other drives however, and I'm not certain this is the model referred to). ********************************************************* User reports on this drive would also be appreciated. ********************************************************* Is there anyone out there who might have first-hand or second-hand comparison data between any of these drives or other comparable drives in this price range (or better, of course). Bad news reports are solicited also. I will post another summary/report in a few days, along with my purchase decision. And then I'll follow-up with an installation and performance report. Please let me know if you have any info pertaining to this subject. I appreciate all your help! -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu e-mail to me for more details if you like post or e-mail if you have more info to share!!!!! disclaimer: I have nothing to do with any vendors or manufacturers mentioned. But I am interested in getting the best possible drive for my hard-earned money!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u8021804@cc.nctu.edu.tw () Subject: Re: where can I buy NeXT ??? Message-ID: <1993Jan11.204222.20443@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw (News Sender) Organization: National Chiao Tung University References: <1993Jan11.162103.6590@ifi.unizh.ch> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:42:22 GMT
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NUCA Message-ID: <Jan.11.15.36.58.1993.22498@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 20:36:59 GMT References: <Jan10.214722.53070@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <1.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. N U C A NeXT Users' Choice Awards---Thanks to Conrad Geiger for the name! I will take submissions from the net until Jan 23, 1993. All you need to do is send back the form attached below with your favorite software or hardware products for 1992. The subject of the post should be Re: NUCA (or just replying to this post). Send votes to szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu I will post the results and maybe see about getting little trophies or ribbons made up for the winners. This is your chance to reward the great NeXT Developer community by shining some well deserved praise their way. The rules are: - You can only vote once (i.e. one vote per e-mail address). - You can vote for any product you wish; be it from NeXT, a 3rd party developer, shareware/freeware (or those tasty frosted donuts from Hostess under the 'other' category ;-) Finally I made up a logo for the winners to use (if they want to) to let everyone know that they won the NUCA. I'll put it up on both orst and nova. People can let me know if they think it stinks and if so please feel free to make your own (after all it is the U S E R S ' choice award so the users should get involved!). BTW you will need Helvetica-Black and Avant Garde (Book Oblique & Demi Oblique) to see the logo in all of its glory :-) NUCA Form below: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Software a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) DataBase : d.) Developer : e.) DTP : f.) Game : g.) MultiMedia : h.) Spreadsheet : i.) Wordprocessing : j.) Utility : k.) Video : l.) Other : 2.) Overall Software Product of the Year : 3.) Hardware a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) Display : d.) Graphic Input : e.) Mass Storage : f.) Printing/Output : g.) Video : h.) Other : 4.) Overall Hardware Product of the Year : 5.) Overall Product of the Year : -- NeXT Campus Consultant---Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey |my %^) John Kheit/monoChrome | Opinions expressed represent me only! |fried %-) 173 Westgate Drive | Audix Voice Mail# (415) 366-0900 X5512 |brain %>) Edison, NJ 08820-1163 | kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu,szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: micropolis, toshiba, gigabyte drives... Message-ID: <43337@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 11 Jan 93 19:58:14 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Sorry, I had a typo in the last article with the drive survey. The Toshiba model is MK-538FB, not MK-5528FB. -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u8021804@cc.nctu.edu.tw () Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-538FB, any experience? Message-ID: <1993Jan11.204858.26050@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw (News Sender) Organization: National Chiao Tung University References: <43311@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:48:58 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: perelet@avignon.wri.com (Oleg Perelet) Subject: Re: CD player -> NeXT DSP(Hook up a CD-Player to your NeXT) Message-ID: <1993Jan11.205406.1374@wri.com> Sender: news@wri.com Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. References: <1993Jan9.191817.21270@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:54:06 GMT In article <1993Jan9.191817.21270@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > If anyone has the article which described how to hook a CD player > to the DSP, could you please mail it to me? Or perhaps point me to > where I might find it in the archives. > > Thanks! > > Here it goes. Thanx to Heubi Matthias. BTW the same method works fine with NeXT-Sony CD drive. Just look in: SONY Semiconductor IC. Data book, A/D, D/A Convertres. Have fun. From: mfriedel@monolith.rmNUG.ORG (Michael Friedel) Subject: Re: Hook up a CD-Player to your NeXT , A translation Date: 12 Oct 91 08:12:08 GMT References: <1991Oct11.145851.27675@itr.ch> Sender: mfriedel@nugget.rmNUG.ORG In article <1991Oct11.145851.27675@itr.ch> mheubi@itrpe.uucp (Heubi Matthias) writes: > > Hi there! > I got an amazing bunch of mails regarding my article on how to > hook up a Technics CD player to the NeXT. > > Following comes an ASCII version of the article I wrote for our > magazine >>PowerKey<< of the NiCE - NeXT User Group. > (This is the NeXT User Group here in Zuerich, Switzerland) > > The Graphics is not very PostScript, you should be able to figure > out how it was meant, however. > > The article is in German. Knowing that translating from a foreign > language to the mother tongue is far easier than the other way round, > I'll leave the translation to one of you, nice net people) > There's a short step by step summary in English at the end, however. I'll try my best, although english isn't my mother tongue. > > > > > > So here it is (PowerKey, first issue): Digital recording with the NeXT DSP ___________________________________ Who didn't have the dream of finally using the full sound capabilities of his or her NeXT computer? No more microphones, the music straight from there CD-player into the NeXT, what wonderful sound that could be. No quality loss ! Suddenly the NeXT would be a (very) expensive CD-player. Those of you who are members that participated in the NiCE meeting on the twelfth of August 1991 already know what I am talking about. One day I had enough of this 'miserable' 8-bit sound. I finally wanted 16bit stereo. (It is pretty mundane to demo lousy, noisy , dull sounds and say "It could sound a lot better" The Idea --------- Digital sound data consists of bits and bytes. They should be second nature to the NeXT, just as graphics or text. Additionally the NeXT has a DSP-port; a serial interface to the DSP (Digital Signal Processor), a gateway to the outside. Some clever guy had the idea to standardize digital sound data. So id a CD-player internally processes the digital sound data serially, and it adheres to the standard, it should be possible that the two of them (CD-player and NeXT) could communicate. Though of... implemented ! ATTENTION !!! ------------- The following construction guide is ment for people who can tell which side of a soldering iron gets hot. Such operations usually void the warranty of the manufacturer. Make it clear to yourself that there is no way back, and that you really dont care.. [Left out a bunch of legalize, saying that the author isn't liable for anything] It could be that the device explodes, is confiscated by the FBI,...... As you couldn't resist to read on, you must be one of those hardware dare devils that can't be stopped by anything. The serial interface SSI ------------------------- The Synchronous Serial Interface of the DSP 5600, is an interface that is designed to communicate with industry standard codecs (e.g. MC14550x). It could also be connected to a Analog to Digital Converter (DSP56ADC16). (Such a project is actually in the making, but as usual ... das Leben ist zu kurz, und Zeit ist zu teuer !!) The SSI primarily consists of 3 pins. - SRD SSI Receive Data - SCK SSI Serial Clock - FSR Receiver Frame Sync Those make it possible to receive data (That is after all what we want). To transmit data, we need the following analog connections. - STD SSI Transmit Data - SCK SSI Serial Clock - FST Transmitter Frame Sync The pins of the DSP have the following names. - STD SS Transmit Data Pin 3 - SRD SSI Receive Data Pin 2 - SCK SSI Serial Clock Pin 1 - SC0 Serial Control 0 Pin 14 - SC1 Serial Control 1 Pin 13 - SC2 Serial Control 2 Pin 12 The pinouts describe the connector on the back of the NeXT-cube or station. The signals FST, FSR as well as the separate clocks for transmitter and receiver can be assigned by software to the different SCx pins. For our purpose we are going to use SC2 as combined transmitter/receiver frame sync. The serial protocol ------------------- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Serial Clock | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| ___________ ___________ Frame Sync ___________| |___________| |________ ___________ ___________ ___________ Serial Data ----X___________X___________X___________X---- ^^^^^^^^^^^ 16 Bit serial data As software protocol for this does not exist in my knowledge. The packets contain the raw 16bit data, alternating between right and left channel. The frame sync enables us to determine which packet is for the right and which for the left channel. We pry open the CD-player --------------------------- This is a pretty futile attempt if the schematics for the device aren't handy. A call to your local TV/HIFI shop (how about Robert Waxman ?) or the company could prove to be fruitful. My component here is an older Technics (still) without a digital output. In light of modern production and to save money, most CD-players probably use the same or very similar set of chips as the one of this Technics. The exact procedure how to open this thing is described in the service manual. >From the schematic we can deduce that the digital signal processing EFM decoder MN6617 passes the data serially to the digital filter IC MN6618. It uses the following pins of the filter. Just to annoy you Technics use SMD chips. So soldering on the three connections to the mentioned pins is instead of being a walk in the park, a royal pain in the butt. (Some people might be drenched in sweat of fear). Connecting the Wires ---------------------- We connect those in the following manner IC-pinout, topview. -42-41-40- .......... -34-33---- / | / | | | 1 32 | | 2 31 | MN6618F | 3 30 | DIGITAL FILTER | . . . . | | 9 23 | | 10 22 | | ------11-12-13-............-20-21---- **** The IC IS NOT SYMMETRICAL, THAT MEANS NOT **** **** ALL SIDES HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF PINS **** NeXT DSP - CD-Player MN6618 GND (11) - GND (everywhere) SCK (1) - SFT (30) SRD (2) - SIN (31) SC2 (12) - LRCK (28) Those of you who are the true dare devils probably will make a direct connection between the CD and the IC. It is preferable to integrate a buffer IC like a 74241, or only a 7408. That way you wont soot you stereo to the moon,if something isn't connected correctly. SOFTWARE -------- As we have played by the rules as far as the protocol goes, we can safely ignore the issue of software. The from NeXT supplied sndrecord will do the job. We just have to tell it to use the DSP. hostname> sndrecord -d test.snd Start the madness with a simple gentle tap on the return key and stop it either by an energetic control-c or your storage space coming to a sudden end. The price you pay for such quality has its price; 10megs per minute. > mheubi@itr.ch > {mheubi,redaktor,powerkey}@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch > > _______________________________________________________________________ > AUTHOR > I'm an EE student from Switzerland (As you might have imagined, > by discovering all the mystackes :-) in the English part) > I can be reached through Email. (see above) > > If you have any questions, please mail me. > I WILL *NOT* READ ANY NEWS IN THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS! > (I've got intermediate examination) > > COPYRIGHT > This article is copyrighted by NiCE - NeXT User Group. You may > translate it, and redistribute/reprint/duplicate it in any way > as long is it is for any non-profit purpose. > (It would be nice, if you would mention the source :-) > > NiCE - NeXT User Group is the User Group for NeXT interested people > located near Zuerich, Switzerland. If you are interested in our Group, > contact me, or marcel@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (who is the president). > > DISCLAIMER > NeXT,Technics,PostScript and probably CD are registered trademarks > of the corresponding companies. > > I do *NOT* take any responsibility for any damage occured in any direct > or indirect relation to this article, nor does so NiCE - NeXT User Group. > > You might well damage either your CD player and/or your computer > by applying anything written in this article. I can in no way grant > that anything described in this article works - (it does with my CD > player, however) > > #include <net_people/collection_of_std_disclaimers> > > > > > ouffff.... that took rather long.. > Hope you liked it! > > Greetings, and have a NiCE day > Matthias > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Matthias Heubi / NeXT / Atari ST / HP-48SX / mheubi@itr.ch > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I have tried this with an old Sony of mine (D-7). I didn't have any schematics, non the less I got it to work. Unfortunately I dropped something into the open case after I got it working, shorting out a transistor for the motor control (at least that is what I think it is). That damn part is SMD, and I have no clue as to what its specifications are. So I guess one of these days I will have to hook up the oscilloscope and see if I can get it back into working order. Or get myslef the schematics to this ancient baby. Mike -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ No user serviceable part inside. Warranty void if opened modified or tampered with. No batteries included. * mfriedel@basalt.mines.colorado.edu mfriedel@monolith.rmNUG.ORG * /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Non-standard disclaimer: If anybody should try to commit suicide, willfully or not by attempting the above described operations, or destroy their dads stereo, make there NeXT look behave like an Amiga or any other related mishap, they cant hold me responsible for it. -- Oleg Perelet perelet@wri.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Subject: Re: >>>HELP<<< PLEASE: Fujitsu hard disk problems Message-ID: <4Wg=pt_@engin.umich.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:56:07 EST Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor References: <C0Hp12.1BM@newsflash.concordia.ca> Distribution: usa In article <C0Hp12.1BM@newsflash.concordia.ca> kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane) writes: >Wassim M. Jabi (wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu) wrote: >: Hi: >: I've been experiencing some trouble with my Fujitsu 520MB >: external. It happens once or twice a week. I would hear the disk >: go "click, click" and then the console window will have these messages >: scrolling by. Many times an alert window would come up telling me >: to save documents before logging out. Any idea what is going on? >: >: Messages: >: ------ cut here ----------------------------- >: Target 0: HARDWARE ERROR; block 0H retry 1 >: Target 0: NOT READY; retry 1 >: Target 0: NOT READY; retry 2 >: . >: . >: . >: Target 0: NOT READY; retry 19 >: sd0 (0,0): sense key:0x2 additional sense code: 0x4 >: SCSI Block in error = 0 (front porch) >: IO error on pagein: error = 5. >: Dec 30 15:00:18 Workspace: Controller exited. >: ------ cut here ----------------------------- >: HELP!!!!!! > > Well, as I can testify... that's not good news. My > HD was DOA. It was a M2624F rev 0304 and it was just going > click click ... no stop. > > Nothing worked! Fujistu techie said that it was the drive > was unable to read it's own specification area! Yikes! > > Now I have another one, a rev 0404 that arrive a week ago. > This one requires absulutelly no jumper modifications, as > it talks lingua franca SCSI either way. Nice improovment. > > Personally, I'm looking for the sense on a 1024 Byte > formated one... anybody ? > >+---------------------------------+ ___ ___ ___ >| Stephane I. Matis | / \_BATLLETECH /\__\ Viva NeXT! >| E-Mail : kgnome@cs.concordia.ca | \___/ \___/ \/__/ NeXTSTEP 3.0! >| "It Just Works..." - Steve Jobs | \___/ >+---------------------------------+ Wolfnet Operative & NeXThead Well, I called Fujitsu Technical Service and relayed the error messages. They said one thing: "The disk is dying, I suggest you replace it." I got an (RA) number from MacDirect and packed it up and sent it on its way to Hard Disk Heaven :-) I'm expecting another one Friday or Monday. Their policy is to replace it with a factory refurbished one that carries the remainder of the warranty. Meanwhile, I'm back to using my internal 200MB with my user directory mounted remotely. I shouldn't complain: My work was interrupted for less than half a day. I LOVE system administration on NeXTs!! -- Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2313 wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: No loginwindow!!! Help with loginwindow.app Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:57:34 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan12.055734.4013@cyantic.com> I think I overwrote the loginwindow applicatiion binary with a loginwindow.tiff file. At any rate, my TC boots properly, but no loginwindow appears on the screen. I am sure the system is fully booted since rlogin and all standard UNIX operations work perfectly. The binary for loginwindow is now 49714 K large and its date is about the time I was fooling around with loginwindows. Is this correct or wrong? Can someone email to me /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/loginwindow ? I should be able to put the app back in its place and be merrily on my way. Alternatively, I have been trying to mount the 3.0 CDROM with no success. I am told there is no device at /dev/sd1 to mount. If I could mount the CD, I could copy in loginwindow from there. Hope someone can help. -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Tilley) Subject: Re: Instructions on modifying CPU board for multi-CPU NeXTcube Message-ID: <C0qE96.J6D@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <C09tsv.2AJ@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <1ig7crINNj0a@clem.handheld.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:00:41 GMT In <1ig7crINNj0a@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: >In article <C09tsv.2AJ@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard >Tilley) writes: >> >> I am using an 030 board to drive a NextPrinter under 2.1, >> but have been unable to do this under 3.0. >> >> The headless 030 boots fine but panics when it tries to start WindowServer. >> Everything else works fine, but WindowServer is needed to run the printer :-( >> >> Has anyone succeeded in getting a headless Next to print under 3.0? >> >Yes, buy a sound box and install it on the display port. Aha! Progress. But this solution will only work for a color NeXT. Do the color slabs also panic without the sound box? ... Richard <tilley@tilley.cc.umanitoba.ca> -- This space is not blank!
From: yu@cs.utexas.edu (Yeong-Ho Yu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Which CD Rom drives can I use for my Next? Date: 12 Jan 1993 07:53:05 -0600 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <ll5ja1INN3dg@ai.cs.utexas.edu> Keywords: CD drive What would be the best substitute for the NeXT CD Rom drive? And what is the cheapest CD Rom drive that I can use with my NeXT? Any information on this would be appreciated very much. Yeong yu@cs.utexas.edu --------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Subject: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:03:29 GMT Hi, I've just got back for several weeks away to find that my NeXT had lost about 5 minutes, mesurements since sugest its loosing about 10 to 15 seconds a day, is this normal...do other people have this problem? Does anyone know what the accuracy of the clock is suppost to be? For information I'm running a NeXT colour Turbo under NS 2.1. Thanks in advance john.
From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Advice on Seagate Drive Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:13:41 GMT Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1iv1olINNcse@mirror.digex.com> Does anyone have anything to say, pro or con, about the Seagate model ST42400N drive? We're thinking about buying one for external use on a server cube. Thanks! -- jimb@access.digex.com | (Cage) 1991 323se ZCP-710 | Comus Road Merry Land (MD) U.S.A. | (Bike) 1986 GSXR750 (sold) | ClarksBURG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn) Subject: shielding RF interference? Message-ID: <1993Jan12.173955.25382@pellns.alleg.edu> Followup-To: poster Sender: news@pellns.alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:39:55 GMT Hi! I have a NeXTstation (plain pizza-box type) and it emits a fair amount of RF interference, enough that my already mediocre FM reception is destroyed. How and where can I shield it to minimize this RF noise? Is there a specific component in the (grayscale) monitor or pizza box that is the culprit? Can I simply put a bit of tinfoil or something over the outside of the computer to shield this? Currently the boombox radio is located about 2 feet to the right of the computer. Alternate locations don't seem to help much though. Please reply by mail as I do not subscribe to this group. Thanks In Advance... -- * Dave Blackburn dblackbu@alleg.edu flames to self@home.dev.null * * Chemistry, Macs, Hypercard, cats, <>< religion, & the Dead * * (Anyone else who held these opinions would be as crazy as I am.) * * "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own" *
From: kohno@medicine.ics.kula.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Fujimasa Kohno) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: No loginwindow!!! Help with loginwindow.app Message-ID: <1993Jan12.180534.29911@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Date: 12 Jan 93 18:05:34 GMT References: <1993Jan12.055734.4013@cyantic.com> Sender: news@kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp Organization: Dept. of Information Science, Kyoto University, JAPAN In article <1993Jan12.055734.4013@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: > I think I overwrote the loginwindow applicatiion binary with a > loginwindow.tiff file. At any rate, my TC boots properly, but no > loginwindow appears on the screen. I am sure the system is fully booted > since rlogin and all standard UNIX operations work perfectly. > > The binary for loginwindow is now 49714 K large and its date is about > the time I was fooling around with loginwindows. Is this correct or > wrong? > > Can someone email to me > /usr/lib/NextStep/loginwindow.app/loginwindow ? > I should be able to put the app back in its place and be merrily on my way. > > Alternatively, I have been trying to mount the 3.0 CDROM with no success. > I am told there is no device at /dev/sd1 to mount. If I could mount the > CD, I could copy in loginwindow from there. > > Hope someone can help. > -- > > Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 > CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 > 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com Can't you at least boot up from CD-ROM in single user mode ex. bsd(0,0,0)sdmach rootdev=sd0 -s and mount harddisk drive? ex. mount /dev/sd1a /MyDisk I did it on several occasions and vice versa with no problem.
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Advice on Seagate Drive Message-ID: <ANDERSON.93Jan12170731@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> Date: 12 Jan 93 22:07:31 GMT References: <1iv1olINNcse@mirror.digex.com> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University In-reply-to: jimb@access.digex.com's message of 12 Jan 93 18:13:41 GMT >>>>> On 12 Jan 93 18:13:41 GMT, jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) said: jimb> Does anyone have anything to say, pro or con, about the jimb> Seagate model ST42400N drive? We're thinking about jimb> buying one for external use on a server cube. I have one of these, which I installed as the internal drive in my cube. It's big, it's fast, and I've had absolutely no trouble with it so far (apart from the fact that I installed it first with the termination resistors in backwards, and had to take it out and reverse them....). It's not as quiet as the old Maxtor, but it's not at all disturbingly noisy either. Two comments, though: (a) you'll probably have to pay extra to get a 5-year warranty on the drive, but ask about it. It's not that expensive, and 5 years is a long time. (b) TheFormatter didn't understand the drive, so I wasn't able to format it in 1024 byte sectors. I corresponded with the authors of TheFormatter, who suggested that if I could get them a copy of the drive tech manual they could probably get the program to cope with it. I never pursued this, but now I kind of wish I had, since I'd get about another 120 Mbytes of space on the drive (plus more speed) that way. Perhaps if a few people are interested, it would be in someobdy's interest to figure out how to reformat these drives with bigger sectors. --Steve Anderson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Advice on Seagate Drive Message-ID: <1993Jan13.025748.23701@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1iv1olINNcse@mirror.digex.com> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:57:48 GMT In article <1iv1olINNcse@mirror.digex.com> jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking) writes: > > Does anyone have anything to say, pro or con, about > the Seagate model ST42400N drive? We're thinking > about buying one for external use on a server cube. If that's the 1.2 GB model, we had to return one or two due to either noise problems of media failure. Our units were internal units in NeXTcubes, and frankly we suspect that inadequate ventilation might have been a contributing factor to the problems, since several Maxtor 1.2 GB drives have also acted up inside cubes. Perhaps it's time for someone to market a second fan for cubes that would blow filtered air though a replacement back panel with holes or something... -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Which CD Rom drives can I use for my Next? Message-ID: <1993Jan13.030003.23781@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <ll5ja1INN3dg@ai.cs.utexas.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:00:03 GMT In article <ll5ja1INN3dg@ai.cs.utexas.edu> yu@cs.utexas.edu (Yeong-Ho Yu) writes: > What would be the best substitute for the NeXT CD Rom drive? > And what is the cheapest CD Rom drive that I can use with my > NeXT? > > Any information on this would be appreciated very much. I just entered a new section in the FAQ that contains a summary of user's responses to that very question... FAQ's to be posted any moment to csn/announce... -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <43424@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 13 Jan 93 04:07:42 GMT References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego In article <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: >I've just got back for several weeks away to find that my NeXT had lost about 5 >minutes, mesurements since sugest its loosing about 10 to 15 seconds a day, is >this normal...do other people have this problem? Does anyone know what the >accuracy of the clock is suppost to be? > >For information I'm running a NeXT colour Turbo under NS 2.1. I find that my machine has this problem also. Although I have not made a precise measurement, since I can't be sure that my other time peices are not variable on a per day basis, I have noticed that every 2 or 3 weeks or so, I am late to a meeting if I rely on my NeXT clock. I then reset it about 5 minutes, also. Perhaps this problem is why someone has developed software that keeps an eye on the clock by using your modem to essentially dial a time standard every now and then. (I think I read about this recently in comp.sys.next.misc). Anyone know what causes this problem and is the clock slow for all machines with clock error? I am running a NeXTstation Turbo (33MHz, NS2.2). -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu NeXTmail welcome :-)
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Toshiba Message-ID: <43426@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 13 Jan 93 04:57:26 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego In my quest for a new gigabyte hard disk, I've heard from many satisfied users of Toshiba drives, and I've heard absolutely *tons* of nice things, in particular about the Toshiba MK538FB. And *no* bad things other than a slightly noisy seek (not too bad). Which makes me want to rush right out and buy one! So does anyone know why several vendors that I've contacted try so hard to steer me away from these items? East Coast Electronics went so far as to say that if I bought such a one from them, it would be on my own risk (how legal is this?). Is there an explanation? Is Toshiba truly pathetic at its service obligations on purchases or is this an industry rumor? No offense meant to those of you who believe this or know it to be true. I'm just looking for some hard evidence to support either one opinion or the other. Nextmail ,e-mail, or posting your comments would be fine. I will summarize to the net, of course. Thanks :-) Regards, Lily lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Monitor blow up Date: 13 Jan 1993 10:02:56 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1j0pcgINNs74@cs.tut.fi> Keywords: megapixel monitor A friend of mine blowed up his monitor a week ago. The power connector on the mother board wasn't pressed on the bottom and when the machine got hot -12 V got lost. Result: monitor blow up. A tiny pop noise came from Megapixel and after that it didn't start up. Keyboard, microphone, mouse, etc. work OK, so only the high voltage part of the monitor is broken. The power transistors which are on the side of the cooling blocks on the top of monitor are now cold. So the swithing power supply which generates high voltages from the -12 V and 12 V is not working. Does anyone have ANY idea what might got broken when -12 V disappeared? -- Pasi Ojala The smaller .signature you have the more frieds you get. po87553@cs.tut.fi albert@cc.tut.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mross@antigone.com Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan13.093758.12161@antigone.com> Organization: Antigone Press, San Francisco, CA, USA References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 09:37:58 GMT John G Shirlaw (jgshir@athena.mit.edu) wrote: : I've just got back for several weeks away to find that my NeXT had lost about 5 : minutes, mesurements since sugest its loosing about 10 to 15 seconds a day, is : this normal...do other people have this problem? Does anyone know what the : accuracy of the clock is suppost to be? : For information I'm running a NeXT colour Turbo under NS 2.1. Our NeXTcube loses time much faster than that (5-10 minutes per week!). My first guess was that it was a dying battery, but it's been doing this consistantly for about a year now... Please post or e-mail me any findings you encounter? Thanks. -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: 1-415-431-3650
From: pkron@corona.wa.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <4.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> Date: 13 Jan 93 03:07:41 GMT References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> Organization: Corona Design, Inc. I also noted a time loss on a NextStation color of about the same magnitude. Perhaps this is why the Sysadmin notes urge you to set up network time service. When we set up a couple clones things were much more accurate. --------------- Peter Kron Corona Design, Inc. Peter_Kron@corona.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: michel@unomain.teaser.com Subject: Re: Reading data from serial ports Message-ID: <1993Jan12.093353.12095@unomain.uucp> Sender: michel@unomain.uucp Organization: Matra Communication References: <1993Jan10.214647.17818@cubetech.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:33:53 GMT In article <1993Jan10.214647.17818@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com writes: > The best way would probably be to get one of the serial port objects. > To read the data from the port you basically send a readData: message > to the object and pass it a buffer... Is there any serial object in the standard object package of NeXTStep 3.0 ? Did I miss something ? > BenaTong has an object called SerialSolutions. I think it's $50, and > it looks easy to use (I have only seen the API - I have not used it). > It's probably worth checking it out. Where can I reach these people ? -- ----------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: michel@unomain.teaser.com Phone: (33)1.34.60.87.48 Fax: (33)1.34.60.73.27 ----------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: michel@unomain.teaser.com Phone: (33)1.34.60.87.48 Fax: (33)1.34.60.73.27
From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Insite floptical - Does it work on NeXT? Date: 13 Jan 1993 14:23:14 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1j18kiINNcq3@cs.tut.fi> Keywords: insite floptical This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen I'm thinking of purchasing a Insite's 21 M floptical disk drive for my NeXT. Does anyone have one of those alive and running in his/her NeXT? Do I have to write a disktab for it? Is it possible to boot from it? -Juha -- Pasi Ojala /| | _ _ _ ___ po87553@cs.tut.fi /_| | |_) |_ |_) | albert@cc.tut.fi / | |__ |_) |_ | \ |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mritchie@mach2.wlu.ca (Mark Ritchie) Subject: Connecting DEC <-> NeXT Message-ID: <C0swqq.HFw@mach1.wlu.ca> Sender: news@mach1.wlu.ca (news facility) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Distribution: na Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 16:35:14 GMT I'm working for a company which has several DEC 4100 boxes which are interconnected via DEC-NET. We would like to acquire several NeXT machines and allow them to communicate with the DEC machines. The communication channel would need to support the following: - send and receive files - send and receive mail - SQL*NET - <any other communication need our users can dream up... :-> Currently, the DEC machines don't have tcp/ip ability but I'm told that we can purchase a package from DEC to support tcp/ip communication. I'm interested in ALL experiences... good and bad! Please post or mail any information that you have and I'll post a summary in a week or two. Thanks Mark -- Mark Ritchie mritchie@mach2.wlu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT ---> how to fix it Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Jan13.204005.77413@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 20:40:05 GMT References: <4.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 I had this problem myself, and a while back, I posted to comp.sys.next.misc about it, and I can say that I have no idea WHY it happens, just that it does, and it is repairable, or at least there is a workaround. in your crontab file, put a command like this: /usr/ucb/rdate some.reliable.machine or /usr/etc/ntp -s -f some.reliable.machine put in the appropriate stuff to tell cron when to do it, and if you have a SLIP connection, be sure to set up and tear down the connection. both of these work, but I have noticed that not all machines will allow you to connect to them for checking the time. -nate sammons ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kevins@slow.inslab.uky.edu Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT References: <1993Jan13.093758.12161@antigone.com> Message-ID: <1993Jan13.213440.21527@ms.uky.edu> Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 21:34:40 GMT mross@antigone.com writes -> Our NeXTcube loses time much faster than that (5-10 minutes per week!). My first -> guess was that it was a dying battery, but it's been doing this consistantly for -> about a year now... -> -> Please post or e-mail me any findings you encounter? -> -> Thanks. -> -> -- -> Michael Ross -> Antigone Press, San Francisco, California -> e-mail: mross@antigone.com -> FAX: 1-415-431-3650 Did you try winding it? -- _______________________________________________________________________________ I'll cross my heart and hope to die but the needle's already in my eye. _______________________________________________________________________________ Kevin Solie
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Date: 13 Jan 1993 21:50:10 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1j22qiINNot@ni.umd.edu> References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> In article <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: >Hi, > >I've just got back for several weeks away to find that my NeXT had lost about 5 >minutes, mesurements since sugest its loosing about 10 to 15 seconds a day, is >this normal...do other people have this problem? Does anyone know what the >accuracy of the clock is suppost to be? There are two "clocks" on the NeXT. The first is a battery powered clock/calendar chip that maintains the time when the system is halted or turned off. When the system is booted, it queries that clock device for the current time (which is not very precise: to the nearest second). This clock is run off of a 32kHz crystal. The system also maintains the current time as seconds and microseconds since the standard UNIX time epoch. There is timer hardware which periodically generates an interrupt (I believe every 10 milliseconds, but I could be wrong). The consequence of servicing this interrupt is to update the value of the current time. The accuracy of this clock is dependent upon the frequencey of the real time clock interrupt and by the operating system kernel not missing any clock interrupts. Now, if you turn off your computer every night, the accuracy of the time will be mostly based on the accuracy of the battery-backed-up clock calendar chip and the cheap 32kHz crystal that it uses to derive its timing. If you leave your system running all the time, then you're not going to bother looking at the clock/calendar chip (since its only looked at during the booting process), and the accuracy of the time will be mostly based on the accuracy of the cheap crystal used to derive overall system timing. Note that temperature will also affect the clock drift rate; looking at the stats that xntp produces, you can see a diurnal variation in clock drift that corrolates with room temperature. My clock has an intrinsic drift of about 4.8 parts per million, as computed by xntpd. This is the "system" clock, and not the battery powered clock/calendar chip. If I did my math correctly, your drift rate is around 115 parts per million, which is somewhat large. Perhaps NeXT got a bad batch of crystals? louie
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Date: 14 Jan 1993 00:10:19 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1j2b1bINN8p@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> Mine loses around 10 seconds a day. I've always wondered why, as a rule it seems, multi-thousand dollar computers can't keep time as well as a $5 digital watch. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dambruos@valiant.mv.us.adobe.com (Andy D'Ambruoso) Subject: Dimensions Cube RAM Message-ID: <1993Jan13.233731.11852@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 23:37:31 GMT Help! I am a fairly new NeXT user, and loving every minute of it, and I am trying to install additional RAM into my NeXT cube. Whenever I add an additional 8 megs (1 megs simms with the parity chip), my system will no longer statrup! If at the NeXT> prompt I enter m, the NeXT reports that my memory is there, but that is as far as I can get. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Andy D'Ambruoso dambruoso@adobe.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cmumford@iat.holonet.net (Chris Mumford) Subject: NEC Silentwriter 95 cable ?? Message-ID: <C0tL2t.3KL@iat.holonet.net> Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 01:20:49 GMT I'm thinking of getting a NEC Silentwriter 95 printer for my NeXT. Is there a special cable that I'll have to get? What port does it connect to? Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT ---> how to fix it Message-ID: <1993Jan14.023321.5206@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <4.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> <Jan13.204005.77413@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 02:33:21 GMT In article <Jan13.204005.77413@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu writes: >in your crontab file, put a command like this: > >/usr/ucb/rdate some.reliable.machine > >or > >/usr/etc/ntp -s -f some.reliable.machine >put in the appropriate stuff to tell cron when to do it, and if you >have a SLIP connection, be sure to set up and tear down the connection. It's usually considered quite impolite to do this without notifying (better yet, asking) the sys admin for some.reliable.machine, unless a public invitation has been circulated by those in control of some.reliable.machine. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rprice@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rodney.price) Subject: jumper settings for ST3283N drive Message-ID: <1993Jan14.052743.2010@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Keywords: jumper settings, ST3283N Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 05:27:43 GMT I just bought a new Seagate ST3283N drive, a 244 MB SCSI drive that according to some helpful people on the net, is the one that NeXT uses in some of their slabs now. I have an enclosure with a switch on the back that sets the SCSI address. Would some kind person tell me what the jumper settings for this drive are supposed to be? Can I attach the cables from the SCSI address switch to one of the sets of jumpers, so that I can set the SCSI address by the switch? Thanks very much, Rod Price rprice@physics.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Brian Bias <rainman!brian@ms.uky.edu> Subject: Re: micropolis, toshiba, gigabyte drives... Message-ID: <1993Jan13.235242.16667@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. References: <43336@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 23:52:42 GMT In article <43336@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) writes: > Hi, Netters! > [Stuff Deleted] BEND OVER, I'LL (HARD) DRIVE RE: Micropolis 2112 (1 GB drive) -v- Seagate ST11200N RE: East Coast Electronics Anyone buying large capacity inner-slab drives, be careful..... I recently bought a disk drive (Micropolis 2112) from East Coast Electronics and had a major bad experience. Here's what happened: When I received the drive, I installed it inside my NeXTstation color slab. The whole purpose for spending extra money for a 3.5" drive was so I could put a Gig drive INSIDE the slab. So, after I crank it up, it vibrates (constantly, not head access) in a night/day difference when compared to the Seagate 406MB factory NeXT drive that it is replacing. I thought I had a bummer drive, so I called the East Coast Electronics' service department and they said, "Whoa, that doesn't sound good; send it back under this RMA number and we'll send another." The second Microp 2112 seemed better (maybe), but still vibrated much more than what I would consider acceptable - especially for the money ($1720). Both times the vibration could be felt easily through the keyboard, case, table. With a five year warranty, I was really more worried about my station than the drive, but it was too annoying and wasn't doing my computer any good. I put it into an external enclosure, also from East Coast, to see if the mounting facilities inside the slab were not designed for drives spinning at 5400 rpm. It still vibrated a lot and I didn't feel good about putting it on top of my CDROM drive and modem either. I wanted the drive inside the slab anyway. Here's where it gets good. I called East Coast and said that I would like another drive (different manufacturer) to choose from. Maybe Seagate's new ST11200N which is also 1.0GB, formatted. The information I got from Seagate's FAX/Info service showed that it turns at about 900 rpm less than the Micropolis' 5400rpm. They were not receptive to this and wanted to charge me a 20% (!!!!!!) restocking fee (= $345) for returning the Micropolis, even if I just want the Seagate - a less expensive drive by 250 dollars! They said I'd been through two drives and they had to charge me a restocking fee. Hell, what did I have to compare the first drive to? (Editor's note: The Seagate FAX info ended up being wrong - same spindle speeds == 5400 rpm.) Well, this meant that I owed them another $80 for a $1460 drive when swapping it for a returned $1720 drive!! Go figure?! I finally resorted to paying the extra money and getting the Seagate 11200N without any option to return it. I had work to do! You know, they would not even let me keep the lesser of two evils, I HAD to return the Micropolis drive. Luckily, the new drive works great. It's as quiet as the original 406MB drive and I take back everything nasty I've said about Seagate drives. It's got a five yr. warranty too! Why was I paying extra for the Micropolis name? I don't take back any nasty things about East Coast, though. They should know more about the products that they sell. Or, if they're not familiar with them, or the product is new to them, then who knows, the customer just might be right. One sales gnome there even informed me that I should be lucky the restocking fee wasn't 40%. I cannot suggest to other user group members that they do business with East Coast Electronics or purchase the Micropolis 2112 drive. There's bending over backwards for the customer, then there's just bending over. - Brian Bias email: rainman!brian@ms.uky.edu [NeXTmail OK] director; Kentucky NeXT User Group Sr. Partner; Whetstone, Inc. -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail]
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany Date: Thursday, 14 Jan 1993 09:25:57 MEZ From: christoph heising <HEISINC@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE> Message-ID: <93014.092557HEISINC@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NextDimension We ran into trouble while trying to install two NeXT Dimension Boards in a single cube running NeXT Step 3.0. I guess it should be possible to install multiple boards (?). Anyone having the same problem? Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: vasco@bvl.pt (antonio vasconcelos) Subject: Apple CD ROM Message-ID: <1993Jan14.132602.15368@bvl.pt> Organization: Bolsa de Valores de Lisboa Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 13:26:02 GMT Any one knows if it is possible to connect an AppleCD 150 (SCSI) to a NeXT station Turbo with NS 2.2 ??? If it is, how do I do it ??? -- regards, |/asco (^ ^) ______________________________________________________o o___ ascii e-mail : vasco@bvl.pt V NeXT e-mail : root@bvl.pt FIDONET gateway : ANTONIO.VASCONCELOS@f2.n362.z2.fidonet.org
From: belsaggc@w273zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Torsten Belschner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Device Block Size Conner CP 3200 F Date: 14 Jan 1993 15:46:13 GMT Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin Message-ID: <1j41s5INNc1u@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Does anyone have the files needed by scsitools for the Conner CP 3200 F 3.5 inch hard drive? Or can someone explain how to modify the sense file that I can dump from my own drive? Or can someone lead me to the recommended reading material? Thanks torsten ----- Torsten Belschner belsaggc@w271zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de
From: bryant@math.duke.edu (Robert Bryant) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: My DoveFax won't work under 3.0 Keywords: OS 3.0, DoveFax Message-ID: <8600@news.duke.edu> Date: 14 Jan 93 17:11:54 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Distribution: usa Dear Folks, I have recently upgraded to OS 3.0 and like it very much except for one problem: I can no longer use my DoveFax modem. Whenever I try to use it, I get a messge box saying "You do not have permission to use this modem". If I watch the boot process very carefull, I notice that, when the DoveFax Driver tries to load (at least, I think that is what is going on) I get a pair of messages on the console which say something like: %% REPORT: ---- would block serial communications %% REPORT: DoveFax disabled (These messages aren't saved anywhere that I can find after the boot, so I can't reproduce them exactly, sorry) Does anyone know what is going on? Does anyone have a DoveFax working with OS 3.0? Yours, Robert Bryant
From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Insite's floptical Date: 14 Jan 1993 19:40:34 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1j4fjiINNg6r@cs.tut.fi> Keywords: insite floptical This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen I asked about Insite's floptical compartibility to a NeXT here another day and here's what I gained: ---8<--- cut here ---8<--- "...member companies voted to treat the Floptical drive AS A FLOPPY, NOT AS A REMOVABLE HARD DISK. This means that when high level formatting the diskette, THERE IS NO MASTER BOOT RECORD AND PARTITION TABLE WRITTEN. To insure interchangeability between adapters and systems, the standard committee further defined two types of FATs and BPBs. ...12 and 16 bits..." "Since there is a larbe population of SCSI adapters in the installed base that would treat the Floptical drive as a fixed disk, the committee implemented into the drive microcode, a 'write lockout' feature, to keep these old adapters from generating non-interchangable disks containing partition tables. The drive can be 'unlocked' for the purpose of allowing formatting or any other type of writes by issuing a 6 byte SCSI sense command. The 6 bytes are 1A002002A00. For applications where a 'floptical aware' host adapter is not used, this unlock command should be issued to initially unlock the drive, and will also be required if the driver or system ever issues a SCSI Reset after initial power-up." ---8<---- cut here ---8<--- Ok, does this work on a NeXT? My guess is that at least it needs a device driver. Is there such thing available? Does anyone know anyone at Insite who might know the answer (e-mail address would be neat). Thank you. -Juha -- Pasi Ojala The smaller .signature you have the more frieds you get. po87553@cs.tut.fi albert@cc.tut.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ilya@sofia.ks.uiuc.edu (Ilya Logunov) Subject: any advice on Seagate hard disks with a NeXT? Message-ID: <C0uyC2.5F2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 19:04:46 GMT Keywords: Seagate #42100N, hard disk, help Hello, we are planning to buy two external 2 GByte drives for our NeXt systems. So far we have narrowed down the search to a Seagate #42100N, which has supposedly 2500MBytes unformatted. The vendor told us that it has 1900 MBytes formatted. This seems to take up quite some space for the format.... Does anyone have an opinion on this drive? Or does anyone know how much formatted space you can get under UNIX (the vendor is presumably a PC vendor who knows nothing about NeXTs...)? Are they reliable? Do Seagates plug & play with a NeXT (do they have auto-sense)? Thanks for your help, please reply to ilya@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
From: bryant@math.duke.edu (Robert Bryant) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: My DoveFax won't work under 3.0, Part II Keywords: OS 3.0, DoveFax, modem Message-ID: <8613@news.duke.edu> Date: 14 Jan 93 19:41:48 GMT Sender: news@news.duke.edu Distribution: usa Dear Folks, As I said in the first message, I can't get my DoveFax to work under 3.0. I have done some more checking around and found that, for example, there is no longer an entry for DoveFax in the PrintManager setup window. I do wish NeXT would have warned us about these things. Also, by rebooting my machine several times in a row and copying quickly, I was able to accurately record the three fatal lines which appear for a couple of seconds after the end of the reboot process and before the login window is brought up. (Why isn't the console output of the reboot process recorded somewhere?) Here they are: !! %<?>% ------ Dove Fax Driver Version 1.00 ------------- !! %<?>% ATTN: Serial communications would block !! %<?>% REPORT: Fax communications disabled. My DoveFax is connected to serial port A. Any ideas or help would be greatly appreciated. Yours, Robert L. Bryant bryant@math.duke.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Message-ID: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 20:46:26 GMT I called Pinnacle Micro and they said their PM-650 (or whatever) that is a 5.25" optical which seeks at 19ms like a hard drive *does* work with a NeXT with the drivers/etc that come with the NeXT. I am in the market for a HD + tape backup (DAT), but this seems like a good alternative considering that the storage is unlimited and relatively quick. Does anyone have one working with a NeXT? Could you tell me about it, please? And how much does it go for... they said about $2900 retail. Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: My monitor blew up and NeXT hardware support is cool. Message-ID: <1993Jan14.205812.24133@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 20:58:12 GMT Today about 5am the sound of electrical snapping and crackling in the vicinity of my computer woke me up. Let it be noted that I don't usually wake up for *anything*--this wasn't quiet. In my half-awake state I saw that the monitor was grey and there were sparks coming off the top of it, so I tried pressing some keys before I realized the monitor was frying and turned it off. Turning it back on produced the same results, so I turned it off, powered down, and decided to go back to sleep.. 8am I got a call that woke me up, and this time in my half-awake state I came to the realization that I didn't hear my computer humming in the background. I guess after 9 months of having it on continuously, the absence of fan noise was pretty deafening ;-) Instantly waking up, I realized that the thing with the monitor wasn't just a nightmare... and I confirmed this by turning the monitor on. A nice spark a couple of feet high jumped off the top, and I thought, "Hey, neat, fireworks!" Not! So I called NeXT and decided to drive to Fremont to have it replaced today. Sharon, not to mention everyone I talked to at NeXT hardware support, was exceedingly helpful and they tested and replaced my monitor on the spot. (They were having a meeting and all came over to see the fireworks :-) I'd just like to thank everyone at NeXT who was involved; school starts next week and I was in the process of getting upgrades, so their quick turnaround is a major bonus in my situation. Eric Thompson UC Berkeley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: Epson 510 and IBM ProPrinter Message-ID: <1993Jan14.204746.3664@hot.com> Keywords: Epson, IBM Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 20:47:46 GMT Has anyone used these printers? Which do you prefer? Please reply via e-mail. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) Subject: NeXT CD-ROM drive question Message-ID: <9301142140.AA00941@alychne-nc.canon.com> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 21:42:58 GMT Is the NeXT CD-ROM drive capable of reading multi-session PhotoCDs? If not, could someone explain what the format of a multi-session PhotoCD looks like, or point me to further sources of information? I haven't been able to garner much from the Mac PhotoCD toolkit... Please e-mail to me, and I will summarize if there is enough interest. I don't get this group at my site, yet. --- Subrata Sircar|ssircar@canon.com (NextMail ok)|Prophet & SPAMIT Charter Member Canon Information Systems and I do not share the same views on everything. "I'm just mad that I missed the sexual revolution." - me "Yes, but you dress much better as a result." - Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Neil Greene <neil@kynug.org> Subject: Re: Apple CD ROM Message-ID: <1993Jan14.214156.24588@kynug.org> Sender: neil@kynug.org (Neil Greene) Organization: Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. References: <1993Jan14.132602.15368@bvl.pt> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 21:41:56 GMT In article <1993Jan14.132602.15368@bvl.pt> vasco@bvl.pt (antonio vasconcelos) writes: > Any one knows if it is possible to connect an AppleCD 150 (SCSI) > to a NeXT station Turbo with NS 2.2 ??? > If it is, how do I do it ??? According to the FAQ put out just a few days ago, the following CD-ROMS are compatible. There are no limitations mentioned. So, I am assuming it is at least 3.0 compatible with all NeXT computers. However, based on this being a USENET survey summary, there may have been special modifications done on the end users part not mentioned. > *** Subject: D8. What non-NeXT CD Players that work with a NeXT? > > A USENET survey summary: > > Apple CD-150 > PLI 1035N CD-ROM for NeXT! > SUN CD-ROM drive (Sony CDU-8012, Rev. 3.1a) > NEC 73M and 74 (transfer rates > of 300 KB/sec.) > Apple CD-SC (Sony 541-22 mechanism) > Chinon CDS-431 (with new drivers) > Eclipse CD-ROM from Microtech > Toshiba 3201 CD-ROM > Toshiba 3301 CD-ROM > Toshiba TXM3301E1 CD-ROM > Toshiba XM-2200A external CD-ROM > DENON DRD-253 external CD-ROM (data only, no music) > HP's LaserROM drive (Toshiba XM-3301TA drive in HP's box) > -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail] -- Neil Greene President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc. Email: neil@kynug.org [NeXTMail]
From: ben@fizz.fdn.org (Benoit Grange) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 12Volt power supply for hard drive Message-ID: <1993Jan13.232954.881@fizz.fdn.org> Date: 13 Jan 93 23:29:54 GMT References: <43285@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Sender: ben@fizz.fdn.org (Benoit Grange) In article <43285@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) writes: > Another question for the hardware gurus... > > Does anyone know how critical the 12V value is that > is supplied by the power supply for a hard drive? I > just bought a power supply (and case) and measured > 5 volts for the +-5 lines, and only 10.6 volts for > the supposed +-12 lines. Is this standard? Acceptable? > Should I try to return this to the store? > > Thanks for your help. > Does not sound healthy for me. The power supply should provide 12V with a tolerance of -5% and +10% over the full range of operation (when no load is connected and at full load). This is not so important for 12V supply (the same variation ratio for +5V would prevent the disk or any computer from working). I would return the power supply to the store. PS: Check your voltimeter, just in case... -- ---- Benoit Grange - PARIS - FRANCE Mail to : ben@fizz.fdn.org (SMALL NeXTMails accepted, < 10kb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Fujitsu M2654SA Drive -- Info wanted Message-ID: <1993Jan15.013237.23092@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 01:32:37 GMT I'm about to write a P.O. the above 2.4 Gb drive. (Byte track 3362 Canadian) Anyone have any bad stories to go with this critter? -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) Subject: Re: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Message-ID: <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> Sender: news@cs.wm.edu (News System) Organization: The College of William and Mary References: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 01:26:04 GMT In article <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: > I called Pinnacle Micro and they said their PM-650 (or whatever) that is > a 5.25" optical which seeks at 19ms like a hard drive *does* work with a > NeXT with the drivers/etc that come with the NeXT. > > I am in the market for a HD + tape backup (DAT), but this seems like a > good alternative considering that the storage is unlimited and relatively > quick. > > Does anyone have one working with a NeXT? Could you tell me about it, please? > And how much does it go for... they said about $2900 retail. I keep thinking about that option, but I keep seeing no reason for it (at least for my purposes). I figure that, for around $3000, I can buy a 1.2Gig HD (with less than 19ms seek) AND a DAT (which also has unlimited storage). So you have twice as much storage on-line, with a faster access to it. The only disadvantage is that data on tape is not as fast to bring online as data on a optical disk lying on a shelf. On the other hand, how are you going to back up an entire optical disk? Don't you have to transfer chunks of it on a hard disk, and then back to a different optical disk? Sounds like going back to floppies, just in a bigger scale :-) That problem does not exist with DAT. I am sure someone on the net will convince me I am wrong :-) -- Gianfranco Ciardo -- Gianfranco Ciardo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: NEC CD ROM drives Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jan14180016@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 22:00:16 GMT I'm considering buying one of the NEC CD ROM drives for use with a NeXTstation running 3.0 and before I do, I'd like to ask the net for its experiences. The drives in questions seem to be the NEC Intersect CDR-73M, CDR-83M, CDR-74 and CDR-84. What are the differences between these drives ? Has anyone used one of these drives on any UN*X or other platform ? Are they really about twice as fast as most other CD ROM drives ? Any compatibility problems ? Any other comments ? Please post or reply via email to cedman@princeton.edu. I'll post a summary if necessary. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart) Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan15.013321.677@parsec.mixcom.com> Organization: Is the act or process of organizing or of being organized. References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> <1j2b1bINN8p@gap.caltech.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 01:33:21 GMT In article <1j2b1bINN8p@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > >Mine loses around 10 seconds a day. I've always wondered why, as a rule >it seems, multi-thousand dollar computers can't keep time as well as a >$5 digital watch. > >Mark Adler >madler@cco.caltech.edu The $5 digital watch is usually running at a constant temperature of about 37 C. The computer is subjected to more varied temperature changes. That is one of the many reasons why the $5 sucker is better. If only one could wrap the logic board to some body part...(is that why the Borg do this?) -- Manuel Alberto Ricart alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: Connecting DEC <-> NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan14.190617.1655@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <C0swqq.HFw@mach1.wlu.ca> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 19:06:17 GMT In article <C0swqq.HFw@mach1.wlu.ca> mritchie@mach2.wlu.ca (Mark Ritchie) writes: > > I'm working for a company which has several DEC 4100 boxes which are > interconnected via DEC-NET. We would like to acquire several NeXT > machines and allow them to communicate with the DEC machines. > > The communication channel would need to support the following: > - send and receive files > - send and receive mail > - SQL*NET > - <any other communication need our users can dream up... :-> > > Currently, the DEC machines don't have tcp/ip ability but I'm told that > we can purchase a package from DEC to support tcp/ip communication. > > I'm interested in ALL experiences... good and bad! Please post or mail > any information that you have and I'll post a summary in a week or two. > Well you will need TCP/IP! There is a package fron DEC called UCX. It's quite good, the database and admin is NCP-like with conversion to/from BSD. (FTP, Telnet, SMTP, NFS, DNS...) There is a Package from Wolongong. No experience from my side. They were first; probably thats telling?! There is TGV Multinet which is excellent and much more comlete than UCX (symmetric SMTP: UCX wants mailhost on TCP-side!). I know a site where mail and news is served by a SUN and NFS comes from a VMS/VAX. All fine, just the yellow pages and NetMananger... -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-7527 Kraichtal 2 | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,lmu.informatik.next,de.sys.next,sub.market,tum.market From: heb@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Herbert Bauer) Subject: NeXT-Station VB 8.000.- zu verkaufen Message-ID: <heb.727102706@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Sender: news@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (News System) Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany Distribution: sub Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 12:58:26 GMT Zu verkaufen: NeXT-System Nextstation 20MB RAM 200MB Disk b/w-Monitor 17" ext. 250MB Hitachi Disk Next-Laserdrucker 400dpi nur eine Cartridge gedruckt NeXT-CD-Rom Laufwerk NeXT-Step 3.0 auf CD-Rom Mathematica DIAGRAM Lotus IMPROV WriteNow Neuwert: ca. 25.000.- VB: 8.000.- Bitte melden bei Eric Schumacher Tel: 089/4489753 --------------------------------------------------------- Ich poste das fuer einen Freund, bitte nicht an mich zurueckmailen... Herbert -- Herbert Bauer Herbert.Bauer@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Institute of Electronic Design Automation Technical University of Munich phone: +49 89 55174-350 PO Box 20 24 20, 8000 Munich 2, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mckelvey@fafnir.com (James W. McKelvey) Subject: Shipping ADB? Message-ID: <C0vxL7.Mn2@fafnir.com> Sender: mckelvey@fafnir.com (James W. McKelvey) Organization: Fafnir Software, Saugus, CA, USA Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 07:46:18 GMT My company just received a new station, ordered last week from NeXT. It's a 33MHz Turbo, as expected. What surprised me is that it does NOT have the ADB keyboard and mouse. I talked to the person who ordered it, and she wasn't even aware of the difference, so she obviously didn't request non-ADB. So, my question is, is ADB a special-request item? I had thought that it replaced all previous stations. -- The gentle journey jars to stop. The drifting dream is done. The long gone goblins loom ahead; the deadly, that we thought were dead, stand waiting, every one. -- Walt Kelly Jim McKelvey mckelvey@fafnir.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: ed@talus.com Subject: VCR Control Message-ID: <1993Jan15.032816.3164@talus.com> Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 03:28:16 GMT Anybody remember which company was offering VCR-controlling hardware/software on the NeXT ? -- Erik Dasque "The French guy" Houston (713) 561-0700 V.P. R&D, Talus Corporation TeXT-mail/NeXTmail:ed@talus.com Where do I sign ? Here ? Oh HERE ? Here Right ? Ok... Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French guy" Houston (713) 561-0700 V.P. R&D, Talus Corporation TeXT-mail/NeXTmail:ed@talus.com Where do I sign ? Here ? Oh HERE ? Here Right ? Ok... Ed.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) Subject: 128 MByte Optical Drives and NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan15.125044.14808@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 12:50:44 GMT Does anyone have an experience in connecting a 128 MByte R/W optical to a NeXT? Can we expect that SCSI versions of these devices will work without problems? Thanks much. - Max | William R. Herndon \ The MITRE Corporation, Dept. G023 | | EMail: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org \ Secure Information Technology | | NeXTMail: bill@mephisto.gotham.com \ MS-Z231, 703.883.6393 | | | | "The world bores you when you're cool." - Calvin |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: MLESSIN@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Matthew Lessins) Subject: formatting FUJ M2266SA Message-ID: <16B57881C.MLESSIN@cms.cc.wayne.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.wayne.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI U.S.A. Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 14:40:43 GMT Hi. I going to be getting a Fujitsu M2266SA and was wondering how I can format it with a 1024 bytes/sector block size. I read Izumi Ohzawa's notes on the M2263SA/SB and it mentions that he wouldn't recommend the "formatter" program written by Rory Bolt because of some problems experienced when using it with the M2266SA. Does anybody know another way besides this formatter program? Thanks... Matt Lessins mlessin@cms.cc.wayne.edu mlessin@mail.pass.wayne.edu
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: any advice on Seagate hard disks with a NeXT? Date: 15 Jan 1993 15:50:20 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1j6mfsINNhg6@menudo.uh.edu> References: <C0uyC2.5F2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <C0uyC2.5F2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ilya@sofia.ks.uiuc.edu (Ilya Logunov) writes: #Hello, #we are planning to buy two external 2 GByte drives for our NeXt systems. #So far we have narrowed down the search to a Seagate #42100N, which has #supposedly 2500MBytes unformatted. The vendor told us that it has 1900 #MBytes formatted. This seems to take up quite some space for the #format.... # #Does anyone have an opinion on this drive? Or does anyone know how much #formatted space you can get under UNIX (the vendor is presumably a PC #vendor who knows nothing about NeXTs...)? Are they reliable? Do Seagates #plug & play with a NeXT (do they have auto-sense)? # #Thanks for your help, #please reply to ilya@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu I don't know much about that drive from experience but I have the same specs you have about that drive: 1.9G formatted. However, the st42100n is listed as 2.1G unformatted, not 2.5G as you list. The st42400n is listed at 2.4G (the largest Seagate makes). On the same note, we located a vendor who is selling bare-bones Fujitsu m2266 (1.2G unformatted, 1.08G formatted, 5 year warrenty, 14.5 av seek) for more than $500 less than anyone else. We already have one of these drives and it is a solid drive (although, it might be considered alittle noisy by some) as it has been through some serious work. Check out Fast Access (708) 530-7749. (I/we do not represent Fast Access. We are just a happy client.) -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harryt@world.std.com (Harry D Tirrell) Subject: Boot from CD-ROM Message-ID: <C0wHvv.An3@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 15:04:43 GMT Can anyone help with this problem. I have been trying to Boot my cube from CD ROM and the util floppy as it is discussed in the release notes. So far I have had no success. I receive the following messages: Bad version 0xf0f0f0f0 Bad cksum Bad cksum Bad cksum Bad label next> Any ideas would be appreciated. thanks harry harryt@world.std.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- harryt@world.std.com All comments are my own and tirrellh@novavax.nova.edu bare no relationship to any
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.lang.postscript From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) Subject: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <1993Jan15.190446.3613@boba.rhein-main.de> Sender: borris@boba.rhein-main.de Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 19:04:46 GMT Hey folks, there's a chance to connect a Canon CLC 300 (or 500) as a scanner and printer to DOS-PC's and Mac's. Does anybody know, if there's a chance to do this with a NeXT, too? Does anybody know an adress of somebody who sells such things? Thaks for answering -Borris- -- --- Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 - D-6000 Frankfurt am Main - Germany Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324 - e-mail borris@boba.rhein-main.de
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Instructions on modifying CPU board for multi-CPU NeXTcube Date: 15 Jan 1993 18:27:52 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1j6vn8INNs9e@clem.handheld.com> References: <C0qE96.J6D@ccu.umanitoba.ca> In article <C0qE96.J6D@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Tilley) writes: > In <1ig7crINNj0a@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > > >In article <C09tsv.2AJ@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard > >Tilley) writes: > >> > >> I am using an 030 board to drive a NextPrinter under 2.1, > >> but have been unable to do this under 3.0. > >> > >> The headless 030 boots fine but panics when it tries to start WindowServer. > >> Everything else works fine, but WindowServer is needed to run the printer :-( > >> > >> Has anyone succeeded in getting a headless Next to print under 3.0? > >> > > >Yes, buy a sound box and install it on the display port. > > Aha! Progress. But this solution will only work for a color NeXT. > Do the color slabs also panic without the sound box? This works on ANY headless NeXT, (at least the 25 Mhz ones) the sound box 'looks' just like a mono display to the CPU board. > > .... Richard <tilley@tilley.cc.umanitoba.ca> > -- > This space is not blank! -- Jim De Arras | The opinions expressed herein are Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand 804.784.3090 voice | Held Products, Inc., and may not 804.784.3147 FAX | even be mine. Use at your own risk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: pmelo@pombo.inescc.pt (Paulo Melo) Subject: Archive Viper 2525 25462 and NextStation Turbo Message-ID: <1993Jan15.175254.1612@pombo.inescc.pt> Followup-To: poster Summary: looking for help with a tape drive Keywords: help, Tape drive, NeXTSTEP 3.0 Organization: INESC - Nucleo de Coimbra Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 17:52:54 GMT Hi. I recently bought a NeXTStation Turbo, and it came with NeXTStep 3.0. As I am trying to make it our mail and news server (for a small lan), I also bought (not from Next) an external disk and a tape drive Archive Viper 2525. All is well with the disk (automatic disk initalization works very well), but I cannot seem to make the tape work, although the control commands seem to work (i.e, "mt rew", "mt fsf", all work, but "tar", "dd" and the likes don't). I read in NextAnswers (QA762) it could be something to do with the use of variable vs. fixed block sizes, but "dd" with fixed blocksize or using the ioctl call MTIOCFIXBLK didn't work (other error, but this time sense key 0, instead of 5). So, I am asking here if anyone has experienced the same kind of errors I have, and if there is a workaround... The problem is not in the tape, as it works well with a DECStation we have here. Please reply by mail, I will summarize in comp.sys.next.hardware the answers I get. Thanks in advance. Paulo Melo -- Paulo Melo | "once again the sound of crying pmelo@inescc.pt | is #1 across the earth..." Prefab Sprout
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Date: 15 Jan 1993 09:47:03 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1j6tanINNmq8@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> In article <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: >In article <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: >> I called Pinnacle Micro and they said their PM-650 (or whatever) that is >> a 5.25" optical which seeks at 19ms like a hard drive *does* work with a >> NeXT with the drivers/etc that come with the NeXT. >> >> I am in the market for a HD + tape backup (DAT), but this seems like a >> good alternative considering that the storage is unlimited and relatively >> quick. >> >> Does anyone have one working with a NeXT? Could you tell me about it, please? >> And how much does it go for... they said about $2900 retail. > >I keep thinking about that option, but I keep seeing no reason for it >(at least for my purposes). >I figure that, for around $3000, I can buy a 1.2Gig HD (with less than >19ms seek) AND a DAT (which also has unlimited storage). >So you have twice as much storage on-line, with a faster access to it. > Good point. The only disadvantage is that data on tape is not as fast to bring online >as data on a optical disk lying on a shelf. > Another disadvantage is that the data on magnetic media can get currupt over time--one year shelf life--while optical data can stay archived for over ten years in a decent environment with no degradation. We have to transfer archived data to a different tape every year, clean the old tapes and then copy data to them for a year, etc. Going to optical media seems the most likely progression in terms of cost and reliability. But then again there is this crystal technology stuff with unlimited data storage. Does anyone know details about storing data on crystals. The data transfer rate must be killer since there are no moving parts. >On the other hand, how are you going to back up an entire optical disk? >Don't you have to transfer chunks of it on a hard disk, and then back to >a different optical disk? Sounds like going back to floppies, just in >a bigger scale :-) > The idea is supposed to be that the optical replaces the hard drive and can be the secure back up device at the same time. If the optical drive crashes, remove the disc and stick it in another optical device or back it up to another cheap backup device connected to the optical. >That problem does not exist with DAT. > ???? If you have a hard drive I suppose you are correct. >I am sure someone on the net will convince me I am wrong :-) > This person is not wrong at all, he just has an interesting perspective. I sure wish other would comment on this subject. maurices Oh yea, I'm trying to set something up for educators since Pinnacle is 20 minutes down the road. If anyone is interested I'll administrate the purchase of ten or more drives under a sole proprietership, all legal etc. The same goes for the Ocean products. Just give me a holler.......
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: russ@psych.toronto.edu (Russell Sutherland) Subject: CDPlayer on NS3.0 Message-ID: <1993Jan15.180043.24286@psych.toronto.edu> Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 17:45:58 GMT This is probably a FAQ but I can not find it in the NeXT FAQ's. Q. How does one get the CDPlayer Application to work using NS3.0 and the Next CDROM Drive? A. I can sometimes get it to work if I log in as root and play with the proper timing of starting up the application and pushing in CD holder at just the correct time. After reading the documentation the came from CDPlayer0.8 it mentions to suid /usr/etc/disk and the Application. Well I tried this and still no success. The CD keeps getting ejected, several seconds after insertion. Error messages on the console look like: sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (4,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) -- Russell Sutherland Bell: (416)-978-5140 Office of the Dean Uucp: ...{utzoo,utgpu}!utas!russ Faculty of Arts and Science Internet: russ@artsci.utoronto.ca
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: 128 MByte Optical Drives and NeXT? Date: 15 Jan 1993 09:56:18 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1j6ts2INNmvg@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993Jan15.125044.14808@linus.mitre.org> In article <1993Jan15.125044.14808@linus.mitre.org> wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes: > Does anyone have an experience in connecting a 128 MByte R/W optical > to a NeXT? Can we expect that SCSI versions of these devices will > work without problems? > > Thanks much. I've tested the Ocean Vista 128 and the Vista 256 and they both work great on the NeXT. The only problem I had was that when I did a BuildDisk and tried to boot from the optical it didn't work at all. After putzing around with it I concluded that BuildDisk in NS 3.0 doesn't work. Can anyone confirm this or offer their experiences? I'll talk more privately if anyone needs more info. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Jan15113448@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 15 Jan 93 11:34:48 References: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> Organization: Is a sign of weakness In-reply-to: ciardo@cs.wm.edu's message of Fri, 15 Jan 1993 01:26:04 GMT In article <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: > In article <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> > wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) writes: > > I called Pinnacle Micro and they said their PM-650 (or whatever) that is > > a 5.25" optical which seeks at 19ms like a hard drive *does* work with a > > NeXT with the drivers/etc that come with the NeXT. > > > > I am in the market for a HD + tape backup (DAT), but this seems like a > > good alternative considering that the storage is unlimited and relatively > > quick. > > > > Does anyone have one working with a NeXT? Could you tell me about it, please? > > And how much does it go for... they said about $2900 retail. > > I keep thinking about that option, but I keep seeing no reason for > it (at least for my purposes). I figure that, for around $3000, > I can buy a 1.2Gig HD (with less than 19ms seek) AND a DAT (which > also has unlimited storage). So you have twice as much storage > on-line, with a faster access to it. The only disadvantage is that > data on tape is not as fast to bring online as data on a optical > disk lying on a shelf. Also, make certain that before you purchase a removable, mountable drive, that you check out the media prices. A Syquest drive is very tempting at $400, but with 90M carts costing $90, it's a big loss for use as a backup medium. DAT media cost $12 apiece for 60m (1.2G) tapes, and $15 for 90m (2.0G) tapes. That's a very hard price to beat ... [OBFactoid: I've been testing out SafetyNet by Systemix (you didn't forbid me to talk, did you brian?), and though it's not quite as convenient to access backed up files as it was on optical, it _is_ really pretty decent. It can get at files in a minute or two using most DAT drive's seek commands. Pretty awesome.] Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <And my trusty sidekick, Decoy> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mdw@violin.hr.att.com (Mark Wuest) Subject: Re: Boot from CD-ROM Message-ID: <1993Jan15.180806.10820@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Originator: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T References: <C0wHvv.An3@world.std.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 18:08:06 GMT I am in a similar boat: I cannot boot from the CDROM. I have a non-turbo '040 cube, no NeXTDimension. I have a PLI Superfloppy as device 3. I have the CDROM as device 4. Here's what happens: NeXT>bsd(3,0,0) sdmach rootdev=sd3 boot sd(3,0,0)sdmach rootdev=sd3 no SCSI disk NeXT> The motor on the floppy never spins, but the CDROM does. I am open to any reasonable, moral suggestions. ;-) Mark -- Mark Wuest | *MY* opinions, not AT&T's!! mdw@violin.att.com (Sun Mailtool Ok) | mdw@cheshire.att.com (NeXT Mail) |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: merlin!adam (Adam Swift) Subject: service at TECOR Message-ID: <1993Jan15.183138.278@stone.com> Sender: adam@stone.com Organization: Stone Design Corp Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 18:31:38 GMT Wow, I just got off the phone with the people at TECOR. They had called the day before to find out how well a drive we had purchased this summer was performing, and if we had had any difficulties with it. As a matter of fact, the power supply had just quit two days ago, and I was getting ready to call them to figure out what to do about it. I talked to two people who were HELPFUL and FRIENDLY. Needless to say, I was shocked. Finally, they said I should just send the old power supply in, and they'd send a new one: NO QUESTIONS ASKED! I highly recommend their service. Everyone else I've talked to has enjoyed similar treatment. Thank you TECOR. - adam adam@stone.com Software Designer/Programmer, Stone Design
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: Apple CD ROM Message-ID: <1993Jan15.125013.1625@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Jan14.132602.15368@bvl.pt> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 12:50:13 GMT In article <1993Jan14.132602.15368@bvl.pt> vasco@bvl.pt (antonio vasconcelos) writes: > Any one knows if it is possible to connect an AppleCD 150 (SCSI) > to a NeXT station Turbo with NS 2.2 ??? > If it is, how do I do it ??? > > -- > > regards, > > |/asco (^ ^) > ______________________________________________________o o___ > ascii e-mail : vasco@bvl.pt V > NeXT e-mail : root@bvl.pt > FIDONET gateway : ANTONIO.VASCONCELOS@f2.n362.z2.fidonet.org > I just connected our Denon to the SCSI buss as normal, verified unique SCSI addresses, and it worked. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Jan15.204143.31113@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 20:41:43 GMT References: <1993Jan15.013321.677@parsec.mixcom.com> Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 In article <1993Jan15.013321.677@parsec.mixcom.com> alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart) writes: > The $5 digital watch is usually running at a constant temperature of > about 37 C. The computer is subjected to more varied temperature changes. > > That is one of the many reasons why the $5 sucker is better. > If only one could wrap the logic board to some body part...(is that > why the Borg do this?) > -- > Manuel Alberto Ricart > alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome> Ah, but the Borg travel in a giant BLACK CUBE, maybe NeXT should talk to the Borg, and see if they can find a way to keep time. ;-) Nate Sammons ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tvansant@tecumseh.gsfc.nasa.gov (Timothy Van Sant) Subject: Trouble with a NeXT Laser Printer Message-ID: <1993Jan15.211014.4622@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Usenet) Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 21:10:14 GMT I've got a two and one-half year old NLP and it's starting to get real cranky with feeding paper. Paper is getting stuck about two inches after getting started down the paper feed path. If I patiently repeat the un- jamming paper process, it seems to finally accept paper once every 15 tries or so. It's extremely exasperating. Anyone else have or had this problem? Any known fixes? Thanks. Tim Van Sant NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Code 313 Greenbelt, MD 20771 (301) 286-6024 E-mail:tvansant@tecumseh.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 16 MB SIMMs Message-ID: <C0wwA4.HI5@eis.calstate.edu> From: jmiller@eis.calstate.edu (John Miller) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 20:15:39 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Hi, I recently added two 16 MB SIMMs to the two 4 MB SIMMs that came with my (standalone) NeXTSTATION turbo. I read the news directly by logging onto the school's mainframe using MicroPhone Pro, however, now whenever text is being scrolled onto my news window a wavy, mirage effect affects the upper half of the screen. When I remove the two new SIMMs and go back to the original 8 MB, the effect is gone. The new SIMMs are part number OKSIMM4X32-70/TURBO. The same effect happens (although less pronounced) when I scroll manually with the mouse. One might suppose that the SIMMs are faulty, however, my supplier originally sent me parity SIMMs by mistake and the same thing happened. I returned the parity SIMMs thinking that mixing parity with non-parity was causing the problem. Another thing: let's say the two 4 MB SIMMs are in the first two slots originally. If I put the two 16 MB SIMMs in slots 1 and 2, and the two 4 MB SIMMs in slots 3 and 4, the problem is worse. If I reverse this pairing, (4 MB's in slots 1 and 2, etc.) the problem is less, but still apparent. Also: I have one of those Megapixel monitors that NeXT extended the warranty on because of some other problem - don't know if this is relevant or not. I appreciate any ideas or suggestions or experiences you can provide which might shed some light on this. Many thanks! John Miller
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gcolello@biosphere.Stanford.EDU (Greg Colello) Subject: Next Color Printer Sprays Too Much Ink Message-ID: <1993Jan15.222200.14377@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 22:22:00 GMT We have a Next Color Printer. The printer works fine mechanically. It can produce nice quality output (for example the Tiger.ps image from the Sun). However, it has one fatal problem. The entire upper half of every individual color's saturation range causes the printer to spray more ink than either plain or coated paper can handle. This causes neighboring colors to bleed together on both paper types, and large areas of a single color will saturate plain paper into a limp rag. Yes, I am using the plain paper option in the print panel. Yes, I have the ink nozzle set back off the paper at its furthest setting. Yes, I've tried printing at a 180 dpi instead of 360 dpi. Yes, I've tried using coated paper with the coated paper setting. Yes, I'm using the printer as Next expects me to. NADA! Well you say...don't print with fully saturated colors. Right idea, but it turns out that this is a very complicated thing to control at the application level, and each application is different. So...I would like to control this problem at the driver level. The way I imagine doing this in the driver is to intercept individual colors before sending them to the printer, and substitute all colors above a certain saturation level with the same colors at their highest acceptable saturation levels. Is this possible? I've already looked at /NextLibrary/PrinterTypes/English.lproj/NeXT_Color_Printer.ppd. Maybe it's possible to add code to this file. If so, I don't know enough about the rules it's following to do so intelligently. Also there must be another (lower level) driver file. What is it? Should I make chnges there? Until this problem is solved at the driver level, I do not recommend this printer for general use (compared to for example a color thermal wax printer). It is, however, possible to use it as a dedicated printer for a given application where you learn to control saturation levels in that application. I know people who have done this by changing the color tables used by the application (when you have that option). As I said this is not a general solution, and it requires some degree of sophistication about color handling. Not everybody's cup of tea I'm sure. :-) PS. Is this a general problem with low end ink jet technology? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Colello Carnegie Institution, Department of Plant Biology Stanford University gcolello@biosphere.stanford.edu (NeXT mail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mdw@violin.hr.att.com (Mark Wuest) Subject: Re: Boot from CD-ROM (one problem fixed) Message-ID: <1993Jan15.204037.27218@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Originator: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T References: <C0wHvv.An3@world.std.com> <1993Jan15.180806.10820@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 20:40:37 GMT Well, Art Isbell fixed my problem for me, and it was right there in the release notes, I just didn't understand what they were saying. I was using the SCSI address for the device number. (BZZT! Thanks for playing, Mark.) Mark -- Mark Wuest | *MY* opinions, not AT&T's!! mdw@violin.att.com (Sun Mailtool Ok) | mdw@cheshire.att.com (NeXT Mail) |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.dsp Subject: Announcing 576KB DSP memory expansion module Message-ID: <1993Jan15.173642.3831@nic.csu.net> From: th@futon.sfsu.edu (Tom Holton) Date: 15 Jan 93 17:36:39 PST Keywords: dsp, NeXT The Speech Recognition Lab at San Francisco State University has developed a DSP memory expansion board for the NeXT computer that provides the maximum memory supported by the DSP56001 processor. We are now offering this board to those whose are interested in high-performance custom DSP development. -- The board is a 576KB DSP expansion memory board organized as three non-overlapping 192KB banks: X-data, Y-data and Program. The board uses fast (<35ns) SRAM. This board compares with NeXT's DSP memory expansion board, which offers only 96KB in an imaged memory configuration. -- The board is a high-quality, 4-layer board, open-circuit tested prior to assembly. It fits into the DSP memory daughterboard slot on all NeXT machines. -- The price will be $600. Please let us know if you are interested. Delivery will be in about 3-4 weeks. -- Contact Tom Holton (th@ernie.sfsu.edu). E-mail is prefered. The address is: Tom Holton Division of Engineering San Francisco State University 1600 Holloway Avenue San Francisco, CA 94132 415/ 338-1529 (phone) 338-0525 (fax) Note: Because we've organized our memory as three separate (non-overlapping) banks (X, Y and P) of 192KB apiece, none of the DSP memory image functionality provided by NeXT with its existing 8K base configuration, or its 96KB DSP expansion module is supported. While we cannot guarantee that every existing DSP application ever written will be plug-and-play compatable with our DSP expansion memory, we are not aware of any existing applications that use the image functionality. The MusicKit, and demo programs that use the DSP, such as Mandlebrot and ScorePlayer, work fine with our memory module.
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: service at TECOR Date: 15 Jan 1993 21:39:01 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1j7atlINNblv@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993Jan15.183138.278@stone.com> In article <1993Jan15.183138.278@stone.com> merlin!adam (Adam Swift) writes: #Wow, # # I just got off the phone with the people at TECOR. They had #called the day before to find out how well a drive we had purchased this #summer was performing, and if we had had any difficulties with it. # # I talked to two people who were HELPFUL and FRIENDLY. Needless to #say, I was shocked. Finally, they said I should just send the old power #supply in, and they'd send a new one: NO QUESTIONS ASKED! # # I highly recommend their service. Everyone else I've talked to #has enjoyed similar treatment. # # #- adam #adam@stone.com We too are pleased with TECOR. We have a total of 3 Gig drives that we purchased from them. We are purchasing another and would buy it from them, but we found a deal that couldn't be matched anywhere. TECOR is very helpful and they are pleasant to do business with. I would recommend them as a quality vendor. -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Date: 16 Jan 1993 05:26:26 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <1j86a3INN73g@mirror.digex.com> References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> <1j2b1bINN8p@gap.caltech.edu> In article <1j2b1bINN8p@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > >Mine loses around 10 seconds a day. I've always wondered why, as a rule >it seems, multi-thousand dollar computers can't keep time as well as a >$5 digital watch. My NeXT Cube doesn't even keep time as well as my Kit Kat Clock, whose timing mechanism is just a grundgy electro/mechanical thing. I drift backwards about 15 minutes every month or two. - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
From: harit@kripalu.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Connecting DEC <-> NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan15.191609.1909@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Date: 15 Jan 93 19:16:09 GMT References: <1993Jan14.190617.1655@nidat.sub.org> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center In article <1993Jan14.190617.1655@nidat.sub.org> Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) writes: > In article <C0swqq.HFw@mach1.wlu.ca> mritchie@mach2.wlu.ca (Mark Ritchie) > writes: > > > > I'm working for a company which has several DEC 4100 boxes which are > > interconnected via DEC-NET. We would like to acquire several NeXT > > machines and allow them to communicate with the DEC machines. > > > > The communication channel would need to support the following: > > - send and receive files > > - send and receive mail > > - SQL*NET > > - <any other communication need our users can dream up... :-> > > > > Currently, the DEC machines don't have tcp/ip ability but I'm told that > > we can purchase a package from DEC to support tcp/ip communication. > > > > I'm interested in ALL experiences... good and bad! Please post or mail > > any information that you have and I'll post a summary in a week or two. > > > Well you will need TCP/IP! > > There is a package fron DEC called UCX. It's quite good, the database and > admin is NCP-like with conversion to/from BSD. (FTP, Telnet, SMTP, NFS, > DNS...) > > There is a Package from Wolongong. No experience from my side. They were > first; probably thats telling?! > > There is TGV Multinet which is excellent and much more comlete than UCX > (symmetric SMTP: UCX wants mailhost on TCP-side!). > > I know a site where mail and news is served by a SUN and NFS comes from a > VMS/VAX. All fine, just the yellow pages and NetMananger... > -- > Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed thou who knoweth > Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and > D-7527 Kraichtal 2 | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked > GERMANY | # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5 We are using MULTINET for both NFS client and server. I have had EXCELENT support and no problems with the software. I have been amazed how little I needed to learn about the software to make it work. I strongly recomend it. Also, be VERY carefull about the TCP/IP flavor that your database needs. We use Sybase and UCX from Dec does not support the socket protocol that Sybase needs. We had no real choice on vendors at the time we looked. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) Subject: Difference between SCSI-2 and SCSI-2 (FAST) Message-ID: <1993Jan16.104138.15801@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 10:41:38 GMT Hello All, Does anybody know the difference between SCSI-2 and SCSI-2 (FAST)? Do you also know if the NeXT will support SCSI-2 (FAST)? Thanks for any info, Dan (dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu)-2 and SCSI-2 (FAST)? Do you also know if the NeXT will support SCSI-2 (FAST)? Than
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Date: 16 Jan 1993 18:29:19 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1j9k5vINN14f@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> <1j2b1bINN8p@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Jan15.013321.677@parsec.mixcom.com> >> The $5 digital watch is usually running at a constant temperature of >> about 37 C. The computer is subjected to more varied temperature changes. Interesting theory. However, my $5 watch undergoes more temperature changes than the clock in my computer. First, I keep my watch in a pocket, which has various conductivities with my body's 37 C. Second, it spends about 12 hours a day on a cold shelf. However, my computer is on all the time, and maintains a much more constant temperature profile in a thermostat-temperature-controlled room. And, as a result, the computer clock has a very constant (and large) drift rate. mark
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Date: 16 Jan 1993 18:33:47 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1j9kebINN18f@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> <1j2b1bINN8p@gap.caltech.edu> <1j86a3INN73g@mirror.digex.com> >> My NeXT Cube doesn't even keep time as well as my Kit Kat Clock, >> whose timing mechanism is just a grundgy electro/mechanical Well, if your Kit Kat Clock is connected to the wall, then it's using the power company's 60 Hz for timing, which though not being instantaneously very accurate is often adjusted to give the right number of ticks per day so everyone's Kit Kat Clocks stay accurate. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.lang.postscript From: ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) Subject: Re: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <1993Jan16.203415.2294@cs.tu-berlin.de> Sender: news@cs.tu-berlin.de Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany References: <1993Jan15.190446.3613@boba.rhein-main.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 20:34:15 GMT borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: >Hey folks, > >there's a chance to connect a Canon CLC 300 (or 500) as a scanner and printer >to DOS-PC's and Mac's. Does anybody know, if there's a chance to do this with a >NeXT, too? Does anybody know an adress of somebody who sells such things? > Dots by Frederico Heinz was supposed to be adapted to the CLC-300. As far as I know it is marketed by d'Art Computer, Hamburg, Germany. Their phone number in Kiel is ++49-431-92323. I don't know their number in Hamburg right now. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ernst Kloecker phone: ++49-30-6181635 e-mail: ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: steve@madhatter.ucsb.edu (Steve Trainoff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Pinnacle Micro FAST optical drive? Comments? Message-ID: <STEVE.93Jan16113718@madhatter.ucsb.edu> Date: 16 Jan 93 19:37:18 GMT References: <1993Jan14.204626.23528@netcom.com> <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: University of California at Santa Barbara, Physics program In-reply-to: ciardo@cs.wm.edu's message of 15 Jan 93 01:26:04 GMT In article <1993Jan15.012604.12456@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: On the other hand, how are you going to back up an entire optical disk? Don't you have to transfer chunks of it on a hard disk, and then back to a different optical disk? Sounds like going back to floppies, just in a bigger scale :-) That problem does not exist with DAT. Why do you think that the duplication problem doesn't exist with tapes? If I hand you a a DAT and ask you to copy it what do you do? You certainly aren't going to stick it in your tape duping box :-) It seems a little pointless to compare tapes and optical disks. Tapes are useful as archival storage and optical disks are useful as working storage. I don't see the conflict. (ie. I'd really like both) -- ...STeve ------------------------------------ Insert pithy maxim here... steve@tweedledee.ucsb.edu (NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.lang.postscript From: marcel@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Subject: Re: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <1993Jan16.233502.6292@cs.tu-berlin.de> Sender: news@cs.tu-berlin.de Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany References: <1993Jan15.190446.3613@boba.rhein-main.de> <1993Jan16.203415.2294@cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 23:35:02 GMT ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) writes: [...request for NeXT <-> CLC-300 software..] >Dots by Frederico Heinz was supposed to be adapted to the CLC-300. As far A product that's actually been around longer (for the CLCs) is ColorX10i. How do I know? I'm the author. It was actually shown at CeBit last year at the Canon booth and again this October at the Orgatech in Cologne. The current version works under NeXTStep 2.1 or 3.0, a new version optimized for 3.0 and otherwise greatly enhanced is just about finished It's available from HSD Systemcenter in Berlin +49 30 881081. A version also exists for the CLC-10 (Cj-10 in the US). The new version will support a variety of other printers. Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Subject: Re: HELP: Dump problem with HP 35480A DAT Streamer Message-ID: <1993Jan16.212621.1768@marcon.ka.sub.org> Sender: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org (Evstathios Marinos) Organization: The little black box game department Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 21:26:21 GMT Hi Everbody, first of all I want to thank all people, who gave me help to solve the problem with the HP 35480A Dat streamer. Especially I want to thank Helmut Schoenborn (Germany) and Lewis Van Winkle (Portland, Oregon) who had the solution for the restore problem. Because it may be interesting for other user too, I am posting my original question and the solution. In comp.sys.next.hardware article <1993Jan8.100905.601@marcon.ka.sub.org> you wrote: > Hi, > > I've got problems with the DAT Streamer HP 35480A running at NeXT machines when > working with dump/restore. > > Dumping files to the streamer workes fine, but performing a restore from a dump > produces a strange behaviour. Some times it works fine, the next time I get > following error: > > ST:CMD=0x8 SR_IO_STATUS=2H > Sense Key=0x0 > Sense Code=0x0 > Tape/Disk Read Error: I/O Error > > I tried the streamer with various NeXT machines, Cube's, Mono's, Turbo Color's > and I always got the same problems with restore. When using tar to write and > read to the streamer no errors ocured. Here is the solution from Lewis van Winkle: > I also was usually unable to make "restore" work on data "dump"ed to > tape using our HP 35480A DAT drive. Then I discovered what > will make NeXT's "restore" work consistently for me: specifying > the restore's "b" option with a value of 10 (block size 10). > For example, the following restore commands will work consistently: > > /usr/etc/restore vtbf 10 /dev/rst0 > TEMPFILE > /usr/etc/restore vbfx 10 /dev/rst0 [filename1 filename2 ...] > > while the same commands without the "b" and "10" will not always > work, but will often abort with error messages of > "Tape/disk read error: I/O error". > > Lewis Van Winkle > Health Informatics > Biomedical Information Communication Center > Oregon Health Sciences University > Portland, Oregon > e-mail lvw@ohsu.edu -- Stati Marinos | Phone : +49 721 37 71 78 Gartenstr. 2 | Fax : +49 721 37 71 79 7500 Karlsruhe 1 (GERMANY) | E-Mail: emarinos@marcon.ka.sub.org Registered NeXTDeveloper | - NeXTMail welcome -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ben@fizz.fdn.org (Benoit Grange) Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan16.140802.5069@fizz.fdn.org> Sender: ben@fizz.fdn.org (Benoit Grange) References: <1993Jan15.013321.677@parsec.mixcom.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 14:08:02 GMT In article <1993Jan15.013321.677@parsec.mixcom.com> alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart) writes: > In article <1j2b1bINN8p@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > > > >Mine loses around 10 seconds a day. I've always wondered why, as a rule > >it seems, multi-thousand dollar computers can't keep time as well as a > >$5 digital watch. > > > >Mark Adler > >madler@cco.caltech.edu > > The $5 digital watch is usually running at a constant temperature of > about 37 C. The computer is subjected to more varied temperature changes. > > That is one of the many reasons why the $5 sucker is better. > If only one could wrap the logic board to some body part...(is that > why the Borg do this?) > And why $x computers, costing about the same prices as $x NeXT computers do not have problems keeping 'correct' clock time. I am thinking about some SUNs, MIPS, DGs, and others from our campus whose time drift is about some seconds per month. Even a taiwanese (is that the correct spelling ?) PC is able to keep correct time... My station time is drifiting from 10 seconds to 2 minutes a day, it is even worse if I shut it down (I often do it due to swap space exhaustion). -- ---- Benoit Grange - PARIS - FRANCE Mail to : ben@fizz.fdn.org (SMALL NeXTMails accepted, < 10kb)
From: tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Date: 17 Jan 1993 14:27:26 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Message-ID: <1jcbuuINNd7l@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu> References: <1993Jan15.013321.677@parsec.mixcom.com> <1993Jan16.140802.5069@fizz.fdn.org> In article <1993Jan16.140802.5069@fizz.fdn.org> ben@fizz.fdn.org (Benoit Grange) writes: >And why $x computers, costing about the same prices as $x NeXT computers >do not have problems keeping 'correct' clock time. I am thinking about >some SUNs, MIPS, DGs, and others from our campus whose time drift is about >some seconds per month. >Even a taiwanese (is that the correct spelling ?) PC is able to keep >correct time... > >My station time is drifiting from 10 seconds to 2 minutes a day, it is >even worse if I shut it down (I often do it due to swap space exhaustion). Comparing lone NeXT to networked computes isn't a fair compairison. All the networked computers here poll each other to set the correct time, and the computer that they all ask checks it's time with some net source. I don't know about the Tiawanese PC though. My Mac SE loses a few minutes every month. Is there something about sophisticated electronics which makes an accurate clock impossible? -- Ted Brown tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu tbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wampner@next1 (Eric Wampner) Subject: Newish MegaPixel Dies Horrible Death! Message-ID: <1993Jan17.201446.772@cs.ucf.edu> Sender: news@cs.ucf.edu (News system) Organization: University of Central Florida Distribution: na Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 20:14:46 GMT Hi, one of the local labs got a Turbo Slab, with monochrome monitor. Being the local next sysadmin, I unscrewed the file system. This took several hours. Imagine my unhappiness that when i came back to see how it was doing, the monitor wasn't functioning. I played with the dimming keys, even took the battery out and let whole thing sit for a while, no luck. Does anybody have a quickie fix? There are no next people in the area last i checked, so service is difficult. This monitor looks similar to the original Megapixel that came with my 030 cube, but seems smaller. maybe. can't compare them, anyway it also has the microphone built in as well. Also, HOW in the HECK do you use the ALTERNATE CONSOLE? I know this seems stupid, but it says in my 2.0 manuals that enabling this allows the Next to use a serial port if the monitor is not present, or something. I mean, if you disconnect the monitor, there is no keyboard to hit the ON button RIGHT? Or did they mean something else? how can you turn it on? I gave up. Stupid Next. eric wampner wampner@acme.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de(Ralf Neumann) Subject: Re: Announcing 576KB DSP memory expansion module Message-ID: <1993Jan17.103153.5477@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de Organization: no References: <1993Jan15.173642.3831@nic.csu.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 10:31:53 GMT In article <1993Jan15.173642.3831@nic.csu.net> writes: > The Speech Recognition Lab at San Francisco State University has > developed a DSP memory expansion board for the NeXT computer that provides > the maximum memory supported by the DSP56001 processor. We are now > offering this board to those whose are interested in high-performance > custom DSP development. > -- The board is a 576KB DSP expansion memory board organized as > three non-overlapping 192KB banks: X-data, Y-data and Program. The board > uses fast (<35ns) SRAM. This board compares with NeXT's DSP memory > expansion board, which offers only 96KB in an imaged memory configuration. > -- The board is a high-quality, 4-layer board, open-circuit tested > prior to assembly. It fits into the DSP memory daughterboard slot on all > NeXT machines. > -- The price will be $600. Please let us know if you are > interested. Delivery will be in about 3-4 weeks. > -- Contact Tom Holton (th@ernie.sfsu.edu). E-mail is prefered. The > address is: > Tom Holton > Division of Engineering > San Francisco State University > 1600 Holloway Avenue > San Francisco, CA 94132 > 415/ 338-1529 (phone) > 338-0525 (fax) > > Note: Because we've organized our memory as three separate > (non-overlapping) banks (X, Y and P) of 192KB apiece, none of the DSP > memory image functionality provided by NeXT with its existing 8K base > configuration, or its 96KB DSP expansion module is supported. While we > cannot guarantee that every existing DSP application ever written will be > plug-and-play compatable with our DSP expansion memory, we are not aware > of any existing applications that use the image functionality. The > MusicKit, and demo programs that use the DSP, such as Mandlebrot and > ScorePlayer, work fine with our memory module. Hello! I would like to get more information about the DSP memory extension of Speech Recognition Lab at San Francisco State University especialy how it effects the work with music-applications like Metrotracks or Soundworks. Thanks for any further information So long * * * Ralf * * * %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|* %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.lang.postscript From: ag@nextcube.in-berlin.de (Andreas Gradert) Subject: Re: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <TPV0LNB@nextcube.in-berlin.de> Organization: Privat References: <1993Jan15.190446.3613@boba.rhein-main.de> <1993Jan16.203415.2294@cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 00:28:18 GMT ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) writes: > borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: > >Hey folks, > > > >there's a chance to connect a Canon CLC 300 or 500 as a scanner and printer > >to DOS-PC's and Mac's. Does anybody know, if there's a chance to do this > >with a NeXT, too? Does anybody know an adress of somebody who sells such > >things? > > > Dots by Frederico Heinz was supposed to be adapted to the CLC-300. As far > as I know it is marketed by d'Art Computer, Hamburg, Germany. Their phone > number in Kiel is ++49-431-92323. I don't know their number in Hamburg > right now. Networx, rsp. HSD Berlin hat ebenfalls einen Treiber entwickelt, der kann dann auch noch scannen. Tel +49 30 881081, contact Ulli. -- mfg, Andreas Gradert fon +49 30 6923946 email ag@nextcube.in-berlin.de D1000 Berlin 61 fax +49 30 8825421 ...unido!fub!unlisys!nextcube!ag
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lfahnoe@kegworks.mn.org (Larry Fahnoe) Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan17.173702.483@kegworks.mn.org> Organization: The Kegworks, Minneapolis, Minnesota References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> <1j22qiINNot@ni.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 17:37:02 GMT In article <1j22qiINNot@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >There are two "clocks" on the NeXT. The first is a battery powered >clock/calendar chip that maintains the time when the system is halted >or turned off. When the system is booted, it queries that clock >device for the current time (which is not very precise: to the nearest >second). This clock is run off of a 32kHz crystal. So while the external clock may not be very precise in terms of granularity, is it at least more accurate? I've just done a little digging and was not able to uncover just where during the boot that the read of the external clock takes place. I was hoping to find a command in rc.boot that did it, so that I could have cron execute it from time to time. Better yet, periodically read the time and then call adjtime(2) to slew the system clock into synch with the external clock. I would be curious if anyone could figure out how this read takes place. I don't have a network connection so that I could query an ntp server, nor do I wish to periodically call some remote system to get the time. -- Larry Fahnoe Cellular One 612/832-7616 7900 S. Xerxes Ave, Suite 301 lfahnoe@kegworks.mn.org Minneapolis, MN 55431
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) Subject: PMT machine that will work with a NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan18.004005.15123@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 00:40:05 GMT Hello All, Does anybody know of a PMT machine that will work with a NeXT machine? Thanks for any info. Dan (dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu) Does anybody know of a PMT machine that will work with a NeXT machine? Thanks for any info. Dan (dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu)
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NUCA (Reminder) Message-ID: <Jan.18.00.19.00.1993.6171@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 18 Jan 93 05:19:00 GMT References: <23230@venera.isi.edu> <1993Jan16.104129.525@netcom.com> <23235@venera.isi.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. N U C A---Reminder---Reminder---Reminder---Reminder---Reminder NeXT Users' Choice Awards---Thanks to Conrad Geiger for the name! I will take submissions from the net until _Jan 23,_1993_. All you need to do is send back the form attached below with your favorite software or hardware products for 1992. The subject of the post should be Re: NUCA (or just replying to this post). Send votes to szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu I will post the results and maybe see about getting little trophies or ribbons made up for the winners. This is your chance to reward the great NeXT Developer community by shining some well deserved praise their way. The rules are: - You can only vote once (i.e. one vote per e-mail address). - You can vote for any product you wish; be it from NeXT, a 3rd party developer, shareware/freeware (or those tasty frosted donuts from Hostess under the 'other' category ;-) Finally I made up a logo for the winners to use (if they want to) to let everyone know that they won the NUCA. I'll put it up on both orst and nova. People can let me know if they think it stinks and if so please feel free to make your own (after all it is the U S E R S ' choice award so the users should get involved!). BTW you will need Helvetica-Black and Avant Garde (Book Oblique & Demi Oblique) to see the logo in all of its glory :-) NUCA Form below: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Software a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) DataBase : d.) Developer : e.) Desk Top Publishing: f.) Game : g.) Graphic : h.) MultiMedia : i.) Scientific : j.) Spreadsheet : k.) Wordprocessing : l.) Utility : m.) Video : n.) Other : 2.) Overall Software Product of the Year : 3.) Hardware a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) Display : d.) Graphic Input : e.) Mass Storage : f.) Printing/Output : g.) Video : h.) Other : 4.) Overall Hardware Product of the Year : 5.) Overall Product of the Year : -- NeXT Campus Consultant---Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey |my %^) John Kheit/monoChrome | Opinions expressed represent me only! |fried %-) 173 Westgate Drive | Audix Voice Mail# (415) 366-0900 X5512 |brain %>) Edison, NJ 08820-1163 | kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu,szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NextStation Color 16/250 experiences Message-ID: <107463@bu.edu> Date: 18 Jan 93 06:08:25 GMT Sender: news@bu.edu Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Originator: mek@acs.bu.edu I'm interested in purchasing a Next Colorslab in the 16/250 configuration. I have a few questions though : 1. How much free room is left on the 250mb drive after the non-extended release of 3.0 is installed? 2. Can you delete a few things and be able to develop on a 16/250? If so, what would I have to sacrifice? 3. Is it possible to run programs from the CD-ROM drive? 4. How fast does the Next colorslab 16/250 feel for graphics? For general use? 5. How is the Next laserprinter? Thanks, -=Simms=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: Difference between SCSI-2 and SCSI-2 (FAST) Message-ID: <1993Jan17.124616.2557@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Jan16.104138.15801@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 12:46:16 GMT In article <1993Jan16.104138.15801@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) writes: > Hello All, > > Does anybody know the difference between SCSI-2 and SCSI-2 (FAST)? > Do you also know if the NeXT will support SCSI-2 (FAST)? > > Thanks for any info, > > Dan (dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu)-2 and SCSI-2 (FAST)? > Do you also know if the NeXT will support SCSI-2 (FAST)? > > Than The last I heard NeXT did not even use SCSI-2 fully. SCSI-2 (FAST) is 10MB/sec rather than 5MB/sec. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cgb@count0.cmhnet.org (Charles G. Bennett) Subject: Re: Reading data from serial ports Message-ID: <1993Jan17.194821.324@count0.cmhnet.org> Sender: cgb@count0.cmhnet.org Organization: BenaTong References: <1993Jan10.214647.17818@cubetech.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 19:48:21 GMT [munch] > BenaTong has an object called SerialSolutions. I think it's $50, and > it looks easy to use (I have only seen the API - I have not used it). > It's probably worth checking it out. > > > andrew > -- > andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, > Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our > Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis > 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5 Info on Serial Solutions can be obtained by sending email to benatong@cypher.cmhnet.org or benatong@count0.cmhnet.org or Call 614 276 7859 There is a demo in the submissions section at purdue that includes doc's Chuck -- Chuck Bennett, BenaTong Consulting Harem Security (UNIX Consulting :-) ) cgb@count0.cmhnet.org
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 07:46:31 EST From: <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93018.074631HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXTDimension video output. Hi: I was using a friends NeXTDimension board a while ago and attempted to output video from the screen to a vcr. The results were not too impressive - color areas came through okay, but window borders appeared to vibrate wildly (left to right) and some artifacts, also vibrating, appeared throughout. Obviously this is a synch or interference problem. Is it necessary to use a fantastic vcr (frame-accurate) to get reasonable output from the ND, or is it just not possible? Any other suggestions on using the ND for video? Rob Harrap Dept. Geological Sciences Queen's University Kingston, Ont. Harrapr@qucdn.queensu.ca NO NEXTMAIL PLEASE
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: /etc/ttys weirdness Message-ID: <1993Jan18.133040.7624@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park References: <93018.074631HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 13:30:40 GMT #ttya "/usr/etc/getty knj.9600" vt100 on secure ttya "/usr/etc/getty std.9600" unknown off secure When I edit my /etc/ttys file to open a serial port, thus: ttyb "/usr/etc/getty std.9600" unknown off secure ttyfa "/usr/etc/getty std.9600" unknown off secure ttyfb "/usr/etc/getty std.9600" unknown off secure ttyda "/usr/etc/getty D9600" dialup off ttydb "/usr/etc/getty D9600" unknown off ttydfa "/usr/etc/getty D38400" vt100 on thereby turning ttydfa "on", I get upon reboot a constant flow of something to the modem (a Supra), which causes a constant signal detect, and the modem will not dial out at all. If I edit the line to off, the modem works fine. However, I need hardware flow control (yes, I have the correct cable as per specs) and I think I need to enable this with an "on". What am I doing wrong? I need this all because I'm setting up SLIP. Thanks L.A. Brooks rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tjb@strangeways.unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Subject: NeXT Laser Printer Message-ID: <1993Jan17.163248.15719@strangeways.unh.edu> Sender: tjb@strangeways.unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) Organization: Baker Consulting - Dover, NH Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 16:32:48 GMT Anyone have any idea if NeXT plans to update their laser printer to 600 dpi? I plan to buy one soon but I don't want to buy one in February and have them come out with a 600dpi one in May... Thanks tjb -- ===================================================================== | Thomas Baker Director of the New Hampshire NeXT User Group | | P.O. Box 213 Internet/NeXTmail: tjb@strangeways.unh.edu | | Durham, NH 03824 Voice: (603) 743-4987 | =====================================================================
From: pkron@corona.wa.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <11.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 06:25:27 PDT References: <1jcbuuINNd7l@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Corona Design, Inc. > From: tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown) > Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT > Date: 17 Jan 1993 14:27:26 -0500 > > Comparing lone NeXT to networked computes isn't a fair compairison. All the > networked computers here poll each other to set the correct time, and the > computer that they all ask checks it's time with some net source. > Probably why NeXT encourages you to use Network Time Service on your hosts. We experienced similar drift problems, then activated NTS and got very reliable, synchronized time. (We used 3 clone servers--one on each subnet.) All NTS does is compare times and adjust drift parameters in some system file to correct the hardware clock. The file is obscure but ASCII. If you have only one host or no reliable hosts, I believe you can manually adjust the drift paramters. See the man pages. --------------- Peter Kron Corona Design, Inc. Peter_Kron@corona.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) Subject: Re: NeXTDimension video output. Message-ID: <1993Jan18.181825.23855@seas.smu.edu> Sender: news@seas.smu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas References: <93018.074631HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 18:18:25 GMT In article <93018.074631HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes: >Hi: >I was using a friends NeXTDimension board a while ago and attempted >to output video from the screen to a vcr. The results were not too >impressive - color areas came through okay, but window borders >appeared to vibrate wildly (left to right) and some artifacts, also >vibrating, appeared throughout. Obviously this is a synch or >interference problem. > >Is it necessary to use a fantastic vcr (frame-accurate) to get >reasonable output from the ND, or is it just not possible? Any >other suggestions on using the ND for video? > >Rob Harrap >Dept. Geological Sciences >Queen's University >Kingston, Ont. >Harrapr@qucdn.queensu.ca NO NEXTMAIL PLEASE You could use a time base corrector (TBC) between the ND and VCR. They are not cheap however. The vibrations could also be fixed with a sync restorer unit (about $200 US), you would have to fine tune the clamp and possibly boost the image. Does the image frame drift? Is the frame garbled along one axis? (ie if the picture was wet paint, does it look like someone brushed right and left strokes across the image)? David L. Leon dleon@seas.smu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: joseph@lilliput.fdn.org (Joseph Goldstone) Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan18.083443.324@lilliput.fdn.org> Sender: joseph@lilliput.fdn.org Organization: Lilliputian Pictures - Paris, France. References: <Jan15.204143.31113@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 08:34:43 GMT ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu writes > In article <1993Jan15.013321.677@parsec.mixcom.com> > alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart) writes: > > The $5 digital watch is usually running at a constant temperature of > > about 37 C. The computer is subjected to more varied temperature > changes. > > > > That is one of the many reasons why the $5 sucker is better. > > If only one could wrap the logic board to some body part...(is that > > why the Borg do this?) > > -- > > Manuel Alberto Ricart > > alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome> > > Ah, but the Borg travel in a giant BLACK CUBE, maybe NeXT should talk > to the Borg, and see if they can find a way to keep time. > Actually I don't remember the Borg's cube as black, it was closer to NX_LTGRAY as I recall. Two serious NeXT clock questions, though: 1) SGI machines that I have used have a facility that lets you enter in a compensation factor for a machine's too-fast-or-too-slow clock. I recall a "timetrim" file that went along with this, but can't remember whether that was the name of the command that kept the clock honest or just a control file. In any case, assuming that the rate of jumping ahead / falling behind was constant, you could use this to maintain a pretty dang good match between system time and wall clock time. Anybody ever seen anything like this for the NeXT? 2) I have a two-level Netinfo setup here, a network level and then a level for this particular host. I don't know if it's the presence of a two-level netinfo setup or what, but Preferences only offers me the choice of synchronising with a network time server. Since I am the only machine on the network this works but is singularly inutile. Is there a Netinfo (or other) change I could readily make that would convince this machine that it should not be looking for help on the network when it comes to time synchronization, but should instead let me adjust it with the usual time adjustment GUI? I'm tired of su'ing root and typing "date -u ....." enough times to get the GMT offset right... Thanks in advance for any information or suggestions you might have, -- joseph
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware From: pcm@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au (Peter Murray) Subject: Mathematica for Windows3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jan19.040848.9987@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au> Organization: Telecom Australia, Information Technology Development Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 04:08:48 GMT Has anyone used Mathematica running under Windows 3.1? How would its performance (on a 50 or 66mhz 486) compare to running it on a Next machine? Are there any plans to port it to NT and make it multithreaded? +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Peter C. Murray | pcm@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au | | Telecom Mobiles | | | Information Technology Development | | | Information Technology Group | | | Telecom Australia | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXTDimension video output. Date: 19 Jan 1993 07:55:20 GMT Organization: /etc/organization Message-ID: <1jgc58$st3@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <93018.074631HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1993Jan18.181825.23855@seas.smu.edu> >In article <93018.074631HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes: >>Hi: >>I was using a friends NeXTDimension board a while ago and attempted >>to output video from the screen to a vcr. The results were not too >>impressive - color areas came through okay, but window borders >>appeared to vibrate wildly (left to right) and some artifacts, also >>vibrating, appeared throughout. Obviously this is a synch or >>interference problem. >> >>Is it necessary to use a fantastic vcr (frame-accurate) to get >>reasonable output from the ND, or is it just not possible? Any >>other suggestions on using the ND for video? Just to present a data point, I recorded ND video to a standard VHS VCR via composite video out. (Nothing fancy a Toshiba that was less than $400). It made good video recording just like I expected. You should be able to make good quality video straight from the ND video out. A few things to note off the top of my head. [1] keep your VCR reasonably far away from your NeXT and ND Color monitor, or any other screen. [2] Check the composite video output first by connecting it to a monitor first. Do you get stable image this way? [3] Try to feed the video through VCR's amps and then to a video monitor. [4] If the power plug for your VCR is not keyed for polarity, try reversing it. Just some suggestions. The bottom line is that you shouldn't need any of expensive time-base correcter or any other expensive professional equipment. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $BBg_78^=;(B ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTmail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: absmaier@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Fritz Absmaier) Subject: AppleCD300 Originator: absmaier@hphalle3.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Sender: news@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (USENET Newssystem) Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 08:37:20 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan19.083720.18158@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> Does anybody whether the Apple CDROM CD300 works with a NeXTstation? If it does can I also use the double speed feature? Thanks in advance, Fritz -- absmaier@informatik.tu-muenchen.de
From: cap+@cmu.edu (Chris Paris) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Conner CP3040A doesn't want to work Message-ID: <IfKrOdH0_ek1Q1KE48@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 18 Jan 93 17:34:02 GMT Article-I.D.: andrew.IfKrOdH0_ek1Q1KE48 Organization: Information Technology Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA I just borrowed a Conner CP3040A disk, but I can't get it formatted. The error I get is "error in mode sense." Has anyone gotten this disk to work? I also have a Seagate ST1239NS that has the same problem. Any hints on either of these disks would make me happier. Thanks. -- Chris Paris cap+@cmu.edu (NeXT mail)
From: pkron@corona.wa.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <13.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 05:32:14 PDT References: <1993Jan18.083443.324@lilliput.fdn.org> Organization: Corona Design, Inc. > From: joseph@lilliput.fdn.org (Joseph Goldstone) > Message-ID: <1993Jan18.083443.324@lilliput.fdn.org> > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 08:34:43 GMT > > 1) SGI machines that I have used have a facility that lets you enter in a > compensation factor for a machine's too-fast-or-too-slow clock. I recall a > "timetrim" file that went along with this, but can't remember whether that was > the name of the command that kept the clock honest or just a control file. > > In any case, assuming that the rate of jumping ahead / falling behind was > constant, you could use this to maintain a pretty dang good match between > system time and wall clock time. Anybody ever seen anything like this for the > NeXT? > Yes it works in a similar fashion. (See my earlier post and man pages.) > > ... > > Is there a Netinfo (or other) change I could readily make that would convince > this machine that it should not be looking for help on the network when it > comes to time synchronization, but should instead let me adjust it with the > usual time adjustment GUI? I'm tired of su'ing root and typing "date -u ....." > enough times to get the GMT offset right... > NS 3.0 has a section in HostManager for time service. You can specify whether any particular host participates in Network Time Service, whether it is active at all, and if so who the primary and clone servers are. --------------- Peter Kron Corona Design, Inc. Peter_Kron@corona.wa.com
Newsgroups: Comp.Next.Misc,Comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bblank@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Bryan S. Blank(FIRN)) Subject: WANTED: Cheap NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan19.191552.29987@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> Sender: bblank@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Bryan S. Blank(FIRN)) Organization: Florida State University Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 19:15:52 GMT Anybody got a NeXT laying around they want to sell? Please respond to BBlank@mailer.cc.fsu.edu. Thanks! -- +------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Bryan S. Blank | Internet: BBlank@mailer.cc.fsu.edu | | 13 year old CS student | MyIPnet: root@crocostimpy.cc.wezl.org| | Pink Floyd Fan | ATTnet: (904)-386-8575 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Toshiba MK538FB? Royce Howland? Message-ID: <1993Jan19.190218.7363@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 19:02:18 GMT I'm looking for more disk space and may have narrowed my choice down to the Toshiba MK538FB. This is a 1.2g 12ms 3-1/2" 1/2 height drive. Is anyone using this drive? what do you think of it? Do you boot from it? Did you have to do anything special to get it working? How did you build the disk? Royce Howland sent me email about this drive. I tried to reply several times, but it bounced every time. So Royce thanks for your response and I'd like to ask you (or anyone else) the questions listed above. Please write or call. Thanks much!! -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com (212) 513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: olson@phenxj.physics.wisc.edu (Collin Olson) Subject: 200 MB Drives for NeXTStation Message-ID: <1993Jan19.232928.20346@cs.wisc.edu> Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 23:29:28 GMT Does anyone have any experience (good or bad) with the following drives? Quantum LPS240 (240MB) Maxtor 7213S (207MB) Conner CP3200 (212MB) I plan to buy one of these and use as an EXTERNAL drive. Any warnings or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you could add a column with the access time, I would be grateful. Please reply to me directly. ---------------- olson@phenxj.physics.wisc.edu Collin Olson, UW Madison.
From: emerson@cis.ohio-state.edu (R. Matthew Emerson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ideas for making zoom vfxv32.bis faxmodem work? Date: 19 Jan 1993 23:03:45 -0500 Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jiiv1INNg3r@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu> if anyone has got this modem working with an 040 next, please email me and tell me how you did it. i have the 040 modem cable from next connection, and despite my best efforts, i canont get the modem to sense carrier when the remote modem answers, i.e. the cd light does not come on and the local modem never sends back any tones. i got a connection one time, at 2400bps, but nothing since. i'm trying to use the /dev/cufa device. i can talk to the modem locally and fiddle w/the AT commands, but no luck with actually talking to anyone. thanks a lot, -matt -- Matt Emerson voice:(216) 722-2077
Newsgroups: comp.human-factors,sci.med.occupational,comp.sys.next.hardware,NorNeXT@alf.uib.no,comp.sys.next.misc From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) Subject: RSI - NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan20.102242.19868@dhhalden.no> Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Organization: Ostfold College Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 10:22:42 GMT After having used Macs and other stuff the last 12 years, I got a NeXT Dimensions Cube, fell in love with it and got RSI (repetitive stress injury). It is painful in the extreme. I am now a certified cripple for a while, being treated by a well-intentioned, but not very knowledgable Norwegian health system. I want to use my NeXT without having to hire a full time physiotherapist. Does anyone know anything about ways of modifying trackballs, keyboards, whatever for the NeXT. The new ones have ADB busses (i.e Mac stuff will work, that's why the new Mac keyboard has NeXT type special keys for sound, power, etc.) but I can't afford to change NeXTs now already. Someone told me that the mouse was Logitech compatible. Anyone have a pinout spec for the mouse? - Barre Ludvigsen <borrel@dhhalden.no>
From: szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NUCA (REMINDER) Message-ID: <Jan.20.01.55.24.1993.3712@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 20 Jan 93 06:55:25 GMT References: <1992Dec30.201547.21564@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1993Jan7.180212.2847@boba.rhein-main.de> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. N U C A---REMINDER---REMINDER---REMINDER---REMINDER---REMINDER!!!! NeXT Users' Choice Awards---Thanks to Conrad Geiger for the name! Submissions will be taken until _Jan 23,_1993_. All you need to do is send back the form attached below with your favorite software or hardware products for 1992. The subject of the post should be Re: NUCA (or just replying to this post). Send votes to szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu I will post the results and maybe see about getting little trophies or ribbons made up for the winners. This is your chance to reward the great NeXT Developer community by shining some well deserved praise their way. The rules are: - You can only vote once (i.e. one vote per e-mail address). - You can vote for any product you wish; be it from NeXT, a 3rd party developer, shareware/freeware (or those tasty frosted donuts from Hostess under the 'other' category ;-) Finally I made up a logo for the winners to use (if they want to) to let everyone know that they won the NUCA. I'll put it up on both orst and nova. People can let me know if they think it stinks and if so please feel free to make your own (after all it is the U S E R S ' choice award so the users should get involved!). BTW you will need Helvetica-Black and Avant Garde (Book Oblique & Demi Oblique) to see the logo in all of its glory :-) NUCA Form below: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.) Software a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) DataBase : d.) Developer : e.) Desk Top Publishing: f.) Game : g.) Graphic : h.) MultiMedia : i.) Scientific : j.) Spreadsheet : k.) Wordprocessing : l.) Utility : m.) Video : n.) Other : 2.) Overall Software Product of the Year : 3.) Hardware a.) Audio : b.) Communications : c.) Display : d.) Graphic Input : e.) Mass Storage : f.) Printing/Output : g.) Video : h.) Other : 4.) Overall Hardware Product of the Year : 5.) Overall Product of the Year : -- NeXT Campus Consultant---Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey |my %^) John Kheit/monoChrome | Opinions expressed represent me only! |fried %-) 173 Westgate Drive | Audix Voice Mail# (415) 366-0900 X5512 |brain %>) Edison, NJ 08820-1163 | kheit@hangout.rutgers.edu,szatrows@gandalf.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE (Christian Andretzky) Subject: Informations about zilog serial controler wanted Message-ID: <1993Jan20.114931.15795@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de> Sender: inews@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de (Internet news) Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 11:49:31 GMT Hi, I post the following for a friend which has no news-connection. So please answer him directly via e-mail. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a NeXTstation(25 MHz, 68040, NS 3.0) and a big problem. For a special purpose I need to control the Zilog - serial controller directly . The control-registers of this circuit are mapped into the address-space (Is this correctly ???). Are there any informations about the access to this controller available( for example documentations, C / assembler - sources, or parts of driver-sources of NeXT(BSD) - character-devices) ??? Please answer via e-mail to maik%netconx@gtc11.gtc.de I hope for receiving your mail (NeXTMail welcome) Thanks !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Maik - an paranoid east-german programmer -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Christian -- Name: Christian Andretzky | Address: Technische Universitaet Chemnitz | Phone: +49 371 561 2130 | Fachbereich Maschinenbau III | FAX: +49 371 561 2413 | Reichenhainer Str. 70 | mail: Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE D-O-9022 Chemnitz |
From: Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE (Christian Andretzky) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: any advice on Seagate hard disks with a NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan20.144630.16352@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de> Date: 20 Jan 93 14:46:30 GMT References: <1j6mfsINNhg6@menudo.uh.edu> Sender: inews@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de (Internet news) Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG In article <1j6mfsINNhg6@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) writes: > In article <C0uyC2.5F2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ilya@sofia.ks.uiuc.edu (Ilya > Logunov) writes: > #Hello, > #we are planning to buy two external 2 GByte drives for our NeXt systems. > #So far we have narrowed down the search to a Seagate #42100N, which has > #supposedly 2500MBytes unformatted. The vendor told us that it has 1900 > #MBytes formatted. This seems to take up quite some space for the > #format.... > # > #Does anyone have an opinion on this drive? Or does anyone know how much > #formatted space you can get under UNIX (the vendor is presumably a PC > #vendor who knows nothing about NeXTs...)? Are they reliable? Do Seagates > #plug & play with a NeXT (do they have auto-sense)? > # > #Thanks for your help, > #please reply to ilya@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu > > > I don't know much about that drive from experience but I have the same > specs you have about that drive: 1.9G formatted. However, the st42100n is > listed as 2.1G unformatted, not 2.5G as you list. The st42400n is listed > at 2.4G (the largest Seagate makes). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is false. The largest seagate drive I know (autumn 1991) is the st43400 with a formatted capacity (512 Bytes/Sector) of 2846 MB > > On the same note, we located a vendor who is selling bare-bones Fujitsu > m2266 (1.2G unformatted, 1.08G formatted, 5 year warrenty, 14.5 av seek) > for more than $500 less than anyone else. > > We already have one of these drives and it is a solid drive (although, it > might be considered alittle noisy by some) as it has been through some > serious work. > > Check out Fast Access (708) 530-7749. > > (I/we do not represent Fast Access. We are just a happy client.) > -- > Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) > The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT > Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) > NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC > >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< > "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime." In general reformatting a disk from the default sector size (512) to 1024 B/sector will increase the available raw disk space to appr. 105% of the 512 capacity. But there is another problem with such large disks: The largest partition size which nextstep can handle is exactly 2GB (2^31 Byte). If the raw capacity of the drive is greater you must define 2 partitions. If you have such a large drive, never use the default newfs/mkfs values from nextstep. Doing this you will loose much diskspace. For example in my cube is a seagate st42400n which has a raw capacity of 203x MB (512B/sec) and a formatted capacity (df) /dev/sd1a 1729424 474633 1081848 30% /disk1 after reformatting the drive to 1024 the raw capacity is 2175 MB and the formatted capacity (df) is now /dev/sd1a 1548739 339781 1208958 22% /disks/disk1 /dev/sd1b 589902 169445 420457 29% /disks/disk2 --------- 2138695 The difference is 409271 MB additional disk space. This value can be increased again by playing around with the value of minfree space (default 10%). Ok, setting this value too small could be dangerous but I think in the most cases its really not necessary to have a minfree buffer of 214 MB. HTH, Christian -- Name: Christian Andretzky | Address: Technische Universitaet Chemnitz | Phone: +49 371 561 2130 | Fachbereich Maschinenbau III | FAX: +49 371 561 2413 | Reichenhainer Str. 70 | mail: Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE D-O-9022 Chemnitz |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,lmu.informatik.next,de.sys.next,sub.market,tum.market From: heb@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Herbert Bauer) Subject: NeXT-Station VB 8.000.- zu verkaufen Message-ID: <heb.727545740@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Sender: news@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (News System) Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany Distribution: de Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:02:20 GMT Zu verkaufen: NeXT-System Nextstation 20MB RAM 200MB Disk b/w-Monitor 17" ext. 250MB Hitachi Disk Next-Laserdrucker 400dpi nur eine Cartridge gedruckt NeXT-CD-Rom Laufwerk NeXT-Step 3.0 auf CD-Rom Mathematica DIAGRAM Lotus IMPROV WriteNow Neuwert: ca. 25.000.- VB: 8.000.- Bitte melden bei Eric Schumacher Tel: 089/4489753 --------------------------------------------------------- Ich poste das fuer einen Freund, bitte nicht an mich zurueckmailen... Herbert -- Herbert Bauer Herbert.Bauer@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Institute of Electronic Design Automation Technical University of Munich phone: +49 89 55174-350 PO Box 20 24 20, 8000 Munich 2, Germany
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Date: 20 Jan 1993 19:43:22 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1jka0qINNek@ni.umd.edu> References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> <1j22qiINNot@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jan17.173702.483@kegworks.mn.org> In article <1993Jan17.173702.483@kegworks.mn.org> lfahnoe@kegworks.mn.org (Larry Fahnoe) writes: >So while the external clock may not be very precise in terms of >granularity, is it at least more accurate? I don't know this for sure or not. My system uses NTP to sync the clock, and is never turned off very often. Then the system clock is set, the UNIX kernel also sets the time of the clock/calendar chip. >I've just done a little digging and was not able to uncover just where >during the boot that the read of the external clock takes place. I was >hoping to find a command in rc.boot that did it, so that I could have cron >execute it from time to time. Better yet, periodically read the time and >then call adjtime(2) to slew the system clock into synch with the external >clock. I would be curious if anyone could figure out how this read takes >place. I'm not aware of any external interface or program that does this. If the NeXT is like any other UNIX kernel, part of the initialization code at boot time goes out and reads the clock, and sets the system time to it. louie
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Date: 20 Jan 1993 19:54:43 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1jkam3INNh3@ni.umd.edu> References: <1jcbuuINNd7l@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu> <11.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> In article <11.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> pkron@corona.wa.com writes: >Probably why NeXT encourages you to use Network Time Service on your hosts. >We experienced similar drift problems, then activated NTS and got very >reliable, synchronized time. (We used 3 clone servers--one on each subnet.) Please, its called NTP for Network Time Protocol. You'll get blanks stares from many folks if you refer to a `NTS' thing. >All NTS does is compare times and adjust drift parameters in some system >file to correct the hardware clock. The file is obscure but ASCII. >If you have only one host or no reliable hosts, I believe you can >manually adjust the drift paramters. See the man pages. NTP most certainly does much, much more than this. I should know, I wrote the code and NeXT bogofied it with Netinfo cruft. There is quite a bit of sophisticated filtering of offset/delay samples, a clock weighting and selection algorithm and a software phase-locked loop to correct the phase and frequency of the system clock. The algorithms to do this in a reliable fashion are non-trivial in the face of lossy networks with varying delay characteristics. There is quite a bit of code in there to do this right (or as right as was know when the code was written); its just that much of it is wasted on an Ethernet. The drift parameters in /etc/ntp.drift are the last few computed frequency differences in some obscure unit that can be converted to parts per million. If you have perl installed on your machine (as all right-thinking NeXT users should...), then this perl script will display the drift values in friendly terms. Basically, the first number is how long the daemon has been running, and the remaining numbers on the line are drift samples. Take a drift sample and divide by 4096 to get parts per million. #!/usr/bin/perl # Stupid perl script to display computed drift values in human terms. # Louis Mamakos <louie@ni.umd.edu> ($file = $ARGV[0]) || ($file = "/etc/ntp.drift"); open(DRIFT, "< $file") || die "Can't open $file: $!\n"; chop($h = `hostname`); @SAMPLES = split(/[\s]+/,<DRIFT>); if ($#SAMPLES > 1) { $hours = pop(@SAMPLES); } else { $hours = 1; } # truncate samples if shift register not filled up yet if ($hours < $#SAMPLES + 1) { $#SAMPLES = $hours - 1; } print "After NTP has been running for ", $hours, " hours on $h,\nthe computed drift for each of the last ", $#SAMPLES+1, " hours (oldest first) are:\n\n" if ($hours > 1); while ($samp = pop(@SAMPLES)) { $ppm = $samp / 4096 * 1000000; $daily = $samp / 4096 * 86400; printf "Sample: %f = %f ppm or %f seconds/day", $samp, $ppm, $daily; if ($ppm < 0) {print " fast\n";} elsif ($ppm > 0) {print " slow\n";} else {print ", right on the nose!\n";} } close DRIFT; These days, if you are serious about timekeeping and clock synchronization (within 10's of milliseconds), you should be running xntp3. It is somewhat better than my code (and vaguely based on it, from way back). Look on LOUIE.UDEL.EDU in /pub/ntp/xntp.tar.Z if you're interested. That's what I run on my NeXT. Plus, you configure it with a flat file, as god intended, rather than mucking about in Netinfo. louie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: zalta@mally.Stanford.EDU (Ed Zalta) Subject: Help: ADB Monochrome Monitor/Keyboard, tcsh,Terminal/Alt/Meta? Message-ID: <1993Jan20.221448.24186@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 22:14:48 GMT I have the new ADB-compatible monochrome monitor/keyboard/mouse attached to my (68040) Turbo slab. I use tcsh as my login shell to take advantage of the emacs keybindings. In particular, I use the Alt key as a Meta key, so that I can hold it down and move the cursor forward or backwards by full-words on the command line. I was able to do this with my old monitor simply by setting the Preferences in Terminal so that the Alt key generates "special characters" instead of Escape sequences (or vice versa). Anyway, one of those settings use to work. But I have tried both settings of the Preferences of the 3.0 Terminal.app, placed "set editmode = emacs" in my .cshrc, and I still can't get the Alt key to function like a Meta-key for emacs commands when I'm in a Terminal window. Have I failed to do something, or does anyone know whether the new ADB-compatible monitor/keyboard has changed in some way? Surely there must be some software fix for this. Thanks for replying. Ed
From: qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 40 MHz '040 Message-ID: <C166so.9I4@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: 20 Jan 93 20:41:07 GMT Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH I heard talk of a 40MHz '040 NeXT any more news on that ? Quabid
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,de.comp.sys.next,comp.lang.postscript From: hue@island.COM (Pond Scum) Subject: Re: Canon CLC 300 as printer/scanner? Message-ID: <hue.727555023@coney> Sender: usenet@island.COM (The Usenet mail target) Organization: Island Graphics Corp. References: <1993Jan15.190446.3613@boba.rhein-main.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:37:03 GMT borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: >there's a chance to connect a Canon CLC 300 (or 500) as a scanner and printer >to DOS-PC's and Mac's. Does anybody know, if there's a chance to do this with a >NeXT, too? Does anybody know an adress of somebody who sells such things? The Efi Fiery and Fiery Color Server will do this. As far as I know, it's still the best RIP available for the Canon color copiers, and you can get a PhotoShop plug-in so you can scan from it. Printing to it from a NeXT shouldn't be a problem, but you might have to do a little work to get scanning to work. -Jonathan hue@island.COM
From: shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 17" Fimi Color Monitor Problems - Help! Message-ID: <105881@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 21 Jan 93 00:03:03 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: University of Pennsylvania The 17" Color Monitor (old Phillips variety, not Sony) on my Color NeXTstation is dying. It was purchased in September '92 and only had a 3 month warranty and I can't afford to have it repaired. Here are the symptoms: since yesterday the screen has been periodically blanking out completely. Occasionally it will return to normal after some time, occasionally I have to reboot, occasionally it wont reappear for hours. There is also an occasional flicker on the screen which I have always had to a varying degree, but it did not bother me much, so I disregarded it. The flickering seems to have increased lately. I am not a hardware person, so I thought I would ask for suggestions, before attempting surgery myself :) I am completely incapacitated without it and desperately need it back .. ! Has anyone else seen such problems before? Shumon Huque --shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) Subject: Re: NeXTDimension video output. Message-ID: <C16JMr.CDF@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <1jgc58$st3@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 01:18:26 GMT Izumi Ohzawa writes -> >In article <93018.074631HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes: -> >>Hi: -> >>I was using a friends NeXTDimension board a while ago and attempted -> >>to output video from the screen to a vcr. The results were not too -> >>impressive - color areas came through okay, but window borders -> >>appeared to vibrate wildly (left to right) and some artifacts, also -> >>vibrating, appeared throughout. Obviously this is a synch or -> >>interference problem. -> >> -> >>Is it necessary to use a fantastic vcr (frame-accurate) to get -> >>reasonable output from the ND, or is it just not possible? Any -> >>other suggestions on using the ND for video? -> -> Just to present a data point, I recorded ND video to a -> standard VHS VCR via composite video out. (Nothing fancy -> a Toshiba that was less than $400). -> -> It made good video recording just like I expected. You should -> be able to make good quality video straight from the ND video -> out. -> I'm having a lot of trouble with this too...The vcr is in a "polarized" plug and is pretty far from the computers and monitors...still I get a flickery picture...Soon I'll try and even more isolated location, better (gold end) video cables, and a better TV/VCR package...but still...I get a good picture from the VCR to the NeXT (NeXTtv) with the current set up...but as it stands the output (via ScreenScape) is right poopy... -- ________________________________________________________________________ / 'The midnight sun will burn you up" -The Cure, Piggy in the Mirror / / soward@ms.uky.edu | soward@inslab.uky.edu (NeXT Mail) / /_______________________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Some NS486 and DPS Questions Message-ID: <1993Jan21.024413.5510@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 02:44:13 GMT Get ready. This is probably only one of a long string of questions that'll flood these newsgroups soon. :-) NeXT's official info on NS486 says that it'll be capable of 1280x1024 16-bit DPS on cards with ATI Mach 32 and Wingine chipsets. However, many of the machines are only advertised to be capable of 1024x768 at 256 colors for Windoze. Can the same video card provide the much better DPS performance? Is additional video RAM required? If so, how much? Perhaps this is a function of DPS using the card as a 'linear frame buffer' instead of using VGA. However, many details regarding this are unclear to me. Also, has anyone seen the _promised_ NS486 Hardware Compatability Guide that was supposed to be available in Nov. 92? This was to contain a list of hardware and peripherals that NS486 would support. Thanks, Michael McCulloch Huntsville, AL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eric@erix.demon.co.uk (Eric Cafritz) Subject: 128 MByte Optical Drives and NeXT? Distribution: world References: <1j6ts2INNmvg@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Organization: Coudert Brothers (Paris) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:53:56 +0000 Message-ID: <727451636snx@erix.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1j6ts2INNmvg@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu writes: > >In article <1993Jan15.125044.14808@linus.mitre.org> wherndon@smiley.mitre.org> (William Herndon) writes: >> Does anyone have an experience in connecting a 128 MByte R/W optical >> to a NeXT? Can we expect that SCSI versions of these devices will >> work without problems? >> >> Thanks much. > >I've tested the Ocean Vista 128 and the Vista 256 and they both work great >on the NeXT. The only problem I had was that when I did a BuildDisk and >tried to boot from the optical it didn't work at all. After putzing >around with it I concluded that BuildDisk in NS 3.0 doesn't work. Can >anyone confirm this or offer their experiences? > I use a PLI 128, and NS 3.0 boots fine from it, after an ordinary BuildDisk. I use the -rw flag in the boot command. I have had no problems with the PLI, but the fan is noisy. {uunet, attmail!erix!eric} or eric@erix.demon.co.uk
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <neuss.727631603@batida> Date: 21 Jan 93 15:53:23 GMT References: <1993Jan15.013321.677@parsec.mixcom.com> <1993Jan16.140802.5069@fizz.fdn.org> Sender: news@igd.fhg.de Say folx.. Recently somebody posted a way of resetting your NeXT timer by using some other machine on the network as a time server. Unfortunately, I deleted that message (*blush*). Can somebody repost or mail it to me? Thanx a bunch, Chris /* * Christian Neuss % neuss@igd.fhg.de % ..in the humdrum */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Subject: Re: 40 MHz '040 Message-ID: <1993Jan21.152828.1055@cubetech.com> Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc. References: <C166so.9I4@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:28:28 GMT In article <C166so.9I4@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) writes: > >I heard talk of a 40MHz '040 NeXT any more news on that? > >Quabid Well, if NeXT were to sell a 40mhz slab, they would have wait for motorola to ship a 40mhz 040 first. andrew -- andrew@cubetech.com | "We cannot dwell in the time that is to come, Andrew Loewenstern | lest we lose our now for a phantom of our Cube Technologies, Inc. | own design." - Erendis FYEO Public Key: 0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Subject: DAT machines for the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan21.164518.27380@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:45:18 GMT Hi, Can anyone suggest a good source of DAT drives for the next. I'm looking for something that will store about 2Gbyte. Thanks in advance john.
From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: service at TECOR Message-ID: <C17rIo.JwF@newcastle.ac.uk> Date: 21 Jan 93 17:06:23 GMT References: <1993Jan15.183138.278@stone.com> <1j7atlINNblv@menudo.uh.edu> Organization: University of Durham I bought a Tecor drive a little over a year ago and was incredibly impressed with Steve and Tecor in general (well, at that time Steve WAS Tecor)....I had the thing trounced upon by FedEx, and since I happened to be in California, Steve wasted the better part of an afternoon trying to get my HP to work in the way I wanted... I'm planning on buying another hard drive soon, and my first place to shop will be Tecor without a doubt (they have black cases too). Scott -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE SUN Computers: "Nice chips, shame about her OS" "If a virtual tree falls in a virtual forest, does it make a virtual sound?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Anthony Maas) Subject: NeXT memory prices Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jan21.183250.34645@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:32:50 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Organization: IBM Rochester I remember seeing this a while ago, but does anybody have a list of current prices on memory for NeXTs? Specifically, I have a mono 68040 NeXTstation, and I'm wondering how much I'm going to be gouged to upgrade from 8 to 20 meg. Please post it or email to tmaas@cs.uwlax.edu(NeXTmail) Tony Maas IBM Rochester, MN
From: Ross_Werner@next.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXTDimension video output. Message-ID: <6335@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 21 Jan 93 19:20:42 GMT References: <93018.074631HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Sender: news@NeXT.COM In article <93018.074631HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes: > Hi: > I was using a friends NeXTDimension board a while ago and attempted > to output video from the screen to a vcr. The results were not too > impressive - color areas came through okay, but window borders > appeared to vibrate wildly (left to right) and some artifacts, also > vibrating, appeared throughout. Obviously this is a synch or > interference problem. > > Is it necessary to use a fantastic vcr (frame-accurate) to get > reasonable output from the ND, or is it just not possible? Any > other suggestions on using the ND for video? > One of the unfortunate facts of life with the existing television standards (NTSC and PAL) is that they are interlaced. A complete picture, or frame, is made up of two fields - one containing all the odd lines, the other with all the even lines. Drawing of the fields alternates at a 60Hz rate (50 Hz for PAL.) This means that any single pixel wide horizontal line will flicker since it is drawn in only one field. The NeXT user interface uses lots of single pixel wide horizontal lines, this looks great on the NeXT monitor but flickers annoyingly on the NTSC output. The NTSC standard will also result in some other artifacts, such as "chroma - crawl" on edges where there is a color change. I don't know what you mean by "window borders appeared to vibrate wildly (left to right)." I have used many different VCRs (everything from a $199 consumer model to an $8000 professional model) to record the ND video output, and with the exception of the problems I described above, the video quality has been excellent. On a high resolution screen such as the NeXTdimension's, it is very easy to create an image that looks just great, but will look terrible when encoded to NTSC. Reasons for this include the interlace, color encoding, and limited frequency response of the NTSC and PAL standards. Some very basic rules of thumb for creating images that will encode well: 1) Don't use single pixel wide horizontal lines. 2) Avoid the use of fully saturated colors. 3) For practical purposes, the luma (Black/White) bandwidth of NTSC is about 4 Mhz. Simply stated, alternating black and white single pixel wide vertical lines will end up as a grey mush. 4) The chroma (color) bandwidth of NTSC is 3Mhz at most. Small color features (less than a few pixels horizontally) will tend to disappear or cause unpleasant artifacts. Let me emphasize that these rules of thumb relect limitations of the NTSC television standard, not the ND hardware. The NTSC encoder on the ND is pretty good, but as a result of deliberate cost and board space tradeoffs it is not "broadcast" quality. (Go check the cost of a broadcast quality encoder.) If you want the best possible NTSC image, get a professional RGB -> NTSC encoder and drive it from the RGB video output. Ross Werner ND Hardware Architect
From: schwarz@nucleus.ps.uci.edu (Randy Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <2B5F173F.25498@news.service.uci.edu> Date: 21 Jan 93 21:35:59 GMT References: <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu> Organization: University of California, Irvine In article <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu>, jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: |> Hi, |> |> I've just got back for several weeks away to find that my NeXT had lost about 5 |> minutes, mesurements since sugest its loosing about 10 to 15 seconds a day, is |> this normal...do other people have this problem? My Next does the same. I never have measured the error in the clock, but it just slow enough to anoy me. I must reset it every few weeks. I'm running NS 2.1 also. randy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) Subject: CD ROM Help Message-ID: <1993Jan21.211004.3915@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:10:04 GMT We have just purchased a NeXT CD ROM player and I cannot seem to get it to be recognized. It's set to SCSI id 5 I get a the following message at boot up: Sony CD ROM sd1 at sc0 at target 5 SD1 UNIT ATTENTION Waiting for drive to come ready..... and then continues skipping over the CD ROM player. Any thought would be appreciated. Thanks. --- Roy SeGuine rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (NeXTMail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: lemke@MITL.COM (Kennedy Lemke) Subject: Dove Fax modem installation problems Message-ID: <1993Jan21.225205.28445@MITL.COM> Originator: lemke@narnia.MITL.COM Sender: news@MITL.COM Organization: Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory, Princeton, NJ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:52:05 GMT Hello-- I'm trying to re-install the driver and accompanying software for our DoveFax modem on one of our NeXTs since upgrading the OS to 3.0. Running Installer.App on the original pkg file on the floppy seems to do the right thing in terms of copying the driver files into place. But the problem occurs when I use the print manager to try to add the modem. I bring up print manager and select "Fax Modems". The fax modem panel comes up blank. I select "Create" and the Create Panel comes up. I use their suggested name: "Local_Fax_Modem" (which is what the fax modem was named before). I use the create panel to configure the modem to my liking, then when I click "OK", I get an error panel that says the modem already exists. The create panel then disappears, and the new entry never appears in the list of fax modems. I have used niutil -destroy to manually remove the entries referring to entry this from the netinfo database. I have also removed the old spool directory: "/usr/spool/NeXT/Local_Fax_Modem" but I still get the "already exists" error message. I have also tried creating the modem with another name (which works) then attempted to use "modify" to name the modem what I really want, but this also doesn't work--same error message. It'd be possible (but major-ly inconvenient) for me to use a different name. I'd like to know what needs to be done (e.g. what entry from what file or netinfo database needs to be removed or what directory needs to be deleted) in order for the print manager to no longer think that "Local_Fax_Modem" already exists. I'd appreciate any pointers (checked the FAQs and recent articles but did not find any helpful information). Thank you. Kennedy Lemke , , ___ ______ Computer Systems Manager /| /| / / / Postmaster && Domain administrator && / | / | / / / News administrator && Network adminstrator / | / | / / / Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory / |/ | _/_ / /____ 182 Nassau Street, Third Floor Work Phone: (609) 497-4600 Princeton, New Jersey 08542 Fax Phone: (609) 497-4013 Email: lemke@MITL.COM
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: New Trinitron Color Monitors Message-ID: <1993Jan21.195021.5257@athena.mit.edu> Date: 21 Jan 93 19:50:21 GMT Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Will someone please comment on the improved clarity (if any) of the new Sony Trinitron Color monitors over the old Fimi 17 inch monitors? Is there THAT big of a difference to warrant selling an old color system and buying a new one with Trinitron monitor? How does the new Trinitron compare to the existing 21 inch monitors? Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) Subject: Re: Some NS486 and DPS Questions Message-ID: <C18AKo.MK0@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <1993Jan21.024413.5510@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:57:59 GMT Michael McCulloch writes -> Get ready. This is probably only one of a long string of questions -> that'll flood these newsgroups soon. :-) -> -> NeXT's official info on NS486 says that it'll be capable of 1280x1024 -> 16-bit DPS on cards with ATI Mach 32 and Wingine chipsets. However, -> many of the machines are only advertised to be capable of 1024x768 at -> 256 colors for Windoze. Can the same video card provide the much -> better DPS performance? Is additional video RAM required? If so, how -> much? -> First off, I don't *know* anything -- about NS486, or anything much for that matter....but it seems to me (BISTM) that the card *must* have >2M since 1024*1280*2 = 2,621,440 bytes (2.560M)...as far as the supposed resolution enhancement goes...most graphics chips for PCs will support 1280x1024, but this would seem to require more than 1M of ram at 8bits/pixels...so they use 1024x768...similarly a lot of monitors can't quite acheive 1280x1024... but remember that the NeXT screen (on a real NeXT) is like 11??x8?? so as long as you can get at least that -- of course I'd prefer something like 1200x1600...;-) -- ________________________________________________________________________ / 'The midnight sun will burn you up" -The Cure, Piggy in the Mirror / / soward@ms.uky.edu | soward@inslab.uky.edu (NeXT Mail) / /_______________________________________________________________________/
From: kline@cs.arizona.edu (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: strange Zyxel modem problem Message-ID: <30288@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Date: 22 Jan 93 00:17:11 GMT References: <30203@optima.cs.arizona.edu> <WBE.93Jan20215902@crystal.bbn.com> <C17x0p.JwI@panix.com> Sender: news@cs.arizona.edu Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson >> my problem: I seem to overflow my modem or have some strange flow >> control problem > >>The default flow control on many UNIX systems is XON/XOFF. Check the serial >>port setup and see if "crtscts" (RTS/CTS) is enabled. Alternatively, if >>you're logged in via the port, try "stty -a", look at the end of the second >>line, and see if it says "crtscts" or "-crtscts". > >And while we are listing all the things that could conceivably be the >problem -- is there any chance the modem cable fails to provide >RTS/CTS? That is, does it only have two data lines and a ground line? >If so, and if the modem were set to hardware flow control rather than >XON/XOFF flow control, that could be your problem. > >I vaguely recall the ZyXEL defaults to RTS/CTS flow control rather >than XON/XOFF. So you would ideally want to be sure you have a cable >that carries those signals, and you would want to configure the >serial port on the computer to use RTS/CTS flow control. > zyxel uses rts/cts as the default flow control. the command to do this is &h3. I have done that. In the modem book, it says for the command &R0 or &R1: rts options &r1 : modem assumes rts always on, ignores the changes &r0 : delay before cts responds to rts's change &r1 is the default. but after this, it says "This setting is ignored in async mode. rts is always used as a hardware flow control in this case". So it seems not to matter. I tried it anyway and it made no difference. I also tried the other &h settings, for xon/xoff and no flow control and rts/cts all made no difference Thanks for all the suggestions. I do have a correct modem cable. For you next people, I bought it at NextConnection as a 68040 modem cable. I verified today that the rts/cts lines are connected as they should be. I did this by looking at the file about.modem.z, which describes the match ups. So it is not the cable. Then I tried cufb, thinking that perhaps I had a bad cufa port. This did not fix the problem. I know I am using rts/cts on the computer side since I am using cufa, a port which explicitly uses rts/cts, right? Let me give a more detailed example of how it crashes: I can make it overrun things by catting a large file on the machine i am connected to. After a while the modem starts to "retrain" (the hs light flashes) and it either gives up or makes it (50/50 chance). Often at this point I "+++" the modem and type ati2, the command which prints out the state of the modem. Sometimes, the info, which is perhaps 15 lines long, is screwed up, in that some parts of it don't come through. Other times, the modem goes crazy, and the read_data light becomes constant as it sends tons of garbage to my screen. Note that this is all in command mode. Nothing should get to the screen when I am typing at commands. For the next person with a zyxel, when your rts/cts stuff is working, does the cts light ever blink or dim(because it was off for a sec?)? I ask this because mine is steady as a rock. I am going to try to find someone with a 9600 buad modem and swap and see if we still have problems. -nick kline@cs.arizona.edu
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Exception #2 on attempted boot Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:11:47 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jnhkjINNg6b@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> A non-technical client across the country from me was using WordPerfect on Saturday when his system froze (don't think we can blame WordPerfect on this one :-) He says that he couldn't get anything to respond including the power key, so he pulled the plug. He tried to boot and was thrown into the ROM monitor with an "Exception #2" error message. I tried to help him reboot by having him manually enter various boot commands including booting from his 3.0 CD-ROM. Immediately after entering any boot command, the "Exception #2" error occurred. I assumed he had a hardware problem. He borrowed another NeXT and headed for his demos in another state. Upon returning today, he again tried to boot and everything seems normal! I still suspect a hardware problem, but knowing what "Exception #2" means might be a big clue. If anyone can shed any light on this, please let me know. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu (Tim Buck) Subject: Jittery monitor Message-ID: <1993Jan22.015726.1187@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Sender: usenet@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (News Administrator) Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:57:26 GMT I've been noticing for about a month now that my NeXT monochrome monitor jiggles slightly on the left hand side. At first I thought it was because it was too close to my printer, so I moved it, but the problem persists. Can anyone tell me if there's any adjustment I can make or have made to it, or is my monitor dying? I purchased it in April 1991 -- the manufacture date says January 1991. -- Tim Buck rri!tim@vtserf.cc.vt.edu Recognition Research, Inc. timbuck@borg.lib.vt.edu Blacksburg, VA 24060 ------------------- Standard disclaimers apply -------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Apple CD300 and audio disks and non-Macintosh machines? Message-ID: <1993Jan22.041358.14246@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 04:13:58 GMT Hi- I read that the Apple CD300 can read regular audio disks via the SCSI bus, but I was wondering if this mode is available if I used the CD300 on a non-Macintosh computer, such as a NeXT. I would like to read sound tracks off a normal CD into my NeXT. Does anyone have a clue as to whether or not this is possible? Thanks, -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Apple CD300 and audio disks and non-Macintosh machines? Message-ID: <1993Jan22.041450.14367@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 04:14:50 GMT Hi- I read that the Apple CD300 can read regular audio disks via the SCSI bus, but I was wondering if this mode is available if I used the CD300 on a non-Macintosh computer, such as a NeXT. I would like to read sound tracks off a normal CD into my NeXT. Does anyone have a clue as to whether or not this is possible? Thanks, -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Apple CD300 and audio disks and non-Macintosh machines? Message-ID: <1993Jan22.041514.14543@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 04:15:14 GMT Hi- I read that the Apple CD300 can read regular audio disks via the SCSI bus, but I was wondering if this mode is available if I used the CD300 on a non-Macintosh computer, such as a NeXT. I would like to read sound tracks off a normal CD into my NeXT. Does anyone have a clue as to whether or not this is possible? Thanks, -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Apple CD300 and audio disks and non-Macintosh machines? Message-ID: <1993Jan22.041618.14640@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 04:16:18 GMT Hi- I read that the Apple CD300 can read regular audio disks via the SCSI bus, but I was wondering if this mode is available if I used the CD300 on a non-Macintosh computer, such as a NeXT. I would like to read sound tracks off a normal CD into my NeXT. Does anyone have a clue as to whether or not this is possible? Thanks, -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: Apple CD300 and audio disks and non-Macintosh machines? Message-ID: <1993Jan22.042019.14758@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jan22.041358.14246@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 04:20:19 GMT Sorry, Newsgrazer is buggy--I tried posting, but it said that it could not post, so I kept pressing the post button. But then I looked and saw that it had lied, and indeed had posted the article! -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors Message-ID: <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jan21.195021.5257@athena.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:40:21 GMT In article <1993Jan21.195021.5257@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: > Will someone please comment on the improved clarity (if > any) of the new Sony Trinitron Color monitors over the old > Fimi 17 inch monitors? Is there THAT big of a difference to > warrant selling an old color system and buying a new one with > Trinitron monitor? The Fimi sucks; it's an embarrassment to NeXT. The new Sony is so much better it's not even funny. We previously refused to purchase color NeXT systems without 3rd party displays (Nanao T560i). In the future we won't hesitate to order the NeXT/Sony 17" display. > How does the new Trinitron compare to the existing 21 inch > monitors? I think it's better than the 21" display (hitachi?), but some people prefer the larger pixel size. Note that the viewing area does not increase since NeXT doesn't seem to support 1280x1024 or larger displays, yet another curious hardware decision in NeXT's history. -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: NeXT memory prices Message-ID: <1993Jan22.064055.16146@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jan21.183250.34645@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:40:55 GMT In article <1993Jan21.183250.34645@rchland.ibm.com> tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Anthony Maas) writes: > I remember seeing this a while ago, but does anybody > have a list of current prices on memory for NeXTs? > > Specifically, I have a mono 68040 NeXTstation, and > I'm wondering how much I'm going to be gouged to > upgrade from 8 to 20 meg. > > Please post it or email to tmaas@cs.uwlax.edu(NeXTmail) Please check comp.sys.next.announce for the FAQ.memory. -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Tilley) Subject: Re: any advice on Seagate hard disks with a NeXT? Message-ID: <C18twp.4Is@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1j6mfsINNhg6@menudo.uh.edu> <1993Jan20.144630.16352@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:55:36 GMT In <1993Jan20.144630.16352@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de> Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE (Christian Andretzky) writes: >In general reformatting a disk from the default sector size (512) to 1024 >B/sector will increase the available raw disk space to appr. 105% of the 512 >capacity. >For example in my cube is a seagate st42400n which has a raw capacity of >203x MB (512B/sec) and a formatted capacity (df) >/dev/sd1a 1729424 474633 1081848 30% /disk1 >after reformatting the drive to 1024 the raw capacity is 2175 MB and the >formatted capacity (df) is now > 2138695 This looks like 24%. The raw increase looks like 7%. Did you reduce the number of spare sectors to get that 24%? -- .. Richard <tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Computer Services, Networking group.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE (Christian Andretzky) Subject: Re: any advice on Seagate hard disks with a NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan22.140702.28949@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de> Sender: inews@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de (Internet news) Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG References: <C18twp.4Is@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:07:02 GMT In article <C18twp.4Is@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Tilley) writes: > In <1993Jan20.144630.16352@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de> Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE (Christian Andretzky) writes: > > > >In general reformatting a disk from the default sector size (512) to 1024 > >B/sector will increase the available raw disk space to appr. 105% of the 512 > >capacity. > > >For example in my cube is a seagate st42400n which has a raw capacity of > >203x MB (512B/sec) and a formatted capacity (df) > > >/dev/sd1a 1729424 474633 1081848 30% /disk1 > > >after reformatting the drive to 1024 the raw capacity is 2175 MB and the > >formatted capacity (df) is now > > > 2138695 > > This looks like 24%. > The raw increase looks like 7%. > Did you reduce the number of spare sectors to get that 24%? I did nothing special - I used disk to define the partition(s) Note: for maximum storage capacity the size of the first partition should be a multiple of 7 MB (because the minimal size of a cylinder group which can be defined via newfs/mkfs is 7 MB) Then I used newfs with the parameters -c 8 and -r 5400 all other parameters were default values (r 5400 because the disk has indeed 5400 rpm, c 8 because mkfs gives the hint to reduce the number of cylinders per group to reduce the number of bytes per inode) The value of 8 for Cyl. per group is sure not the optimum but ther is a bug in mkfs - the man pages say possible values for c are between 1 and 32 but mkfs self accepts only values which are multiples of 8 (This reduces the number of possible values drastically if the default value which should be changed is 16 ;-) Here FYI a dump from newfs/mkfs: steve:5# newfs -N -v -c 8 -r 5400 /dev/sd1a setting optimization for space with minfree less than 10 /etc/mkfs -N /dev/rsd1a 1612951 45 19 8192 1024 8 0 90 2048 s Warning: 2048 bytes per inode impossible due to cylinder group size, using 2393 bytes per inode Reduce cylinder group size to reduce bytes per inode. Warning: 434 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated /dev/rsd1a: 1612951 sectors in 1887 cylinders of 19 tracks, 45 sectors 1651.7Mb in 236 cyl groups (8 c/g, 7.00Mb/g, 2048 i/g) super-block backups (for fsck -b#) at: 16, 6904, 13792, 20680, 27568, 34456, 41344, 48232, 55120, 62008, 68896, 75784, 82672, 89560, 96448, 103336, 110224, 117112, 124000, 130888, 137776, 144664, 151552, 158440, 165328, 172216, 179104, 185992, 192880, 199768, 206656, 213544, 218896, 225784, 232672, 239560, 246448, 253336, 260224, 267112, 274000, 280888, 287776, 294664, 301552, 308440, 315328, 322216, 329104, 335992, 342880, 349768, 356656, 363544, 370432, 377320, 384208, 391096, 397984, 404872, 411760, 418648, 425536, 432424, 437776, 444664, 451552, 458440, 465328, 472216, 479104, 485992, 492880, 499768, 506656, 513544, 520432, 527320, 534208, 541096, 547984, 554872, 561760, 568648, 575536, 582424, 589312, 596200, 603088, 609976, 616864, 623752, 630640, 637528, 644416, 651304, 656656, 663544, 670432, 677320, 684208, 691096, 697984, 704872, 711760, 718648, 725536, 732424, 739312, 746200, 753088, 759976, 766864, 773752, 780640, 787528, 794416, 801304, 808192, 815080, 821968, 828856, 835744, 842632, 849520, 856408, 863296, 870184, 875536, 882424, 889312, 896200, 903088, 909976, 916864, 923752, 930640, 937528, 944416, 951304, 958192, 965080, 971968, 978856, 985744, 992632, 999520, 1006408, 1013296, 1020184, 1027072, 1033960, 1040848, 1047736, 1054624, 1061512, 1068400, 1075288, 1082176, 1089064, 1094416, 1101304, 1108192, 1115080, 1121968, 1128856, 1135744, 1142632, 1149520, 1156408, 1163296, 1170184, 1177072, 1183960, 1190848, 1197736, 1204624, 1211512, 1218400, 1225288, 1232176, 1239064, 1245952, 1252840, 1259728, 1266616, 1273504, 1280392, 1287280, 1294168, 1301056, 1307944, 1313296, 1320184, 1327072, 1333960, 1340848, 1347736, 1354624, 1361512, 1368400, 1375288, 1382176, 1389064, 1395952, 1402840, 1409728, 1416616, 1423504, 1430392, 1437280, 1444168, 1451056, 1457944, 1464832, 1471720, 1478608, 1485496, 1492384, 1499272, 1506160, 1513048, 1519936, 1526824, 1532176, 1539064, 1545952, 1552840, 1559728, 1566616, 1573504, 1580392, 1587280, 1594168, 1601056, 1607944, steve:6# As you can see the number of cyl. per group should less than 8. No matter which walue is entered for bytes per inode, the warning is displayed each time. (If I enter 2393 too) HTH, Christian -- Name: Christian Andretzky | Address: Technische Universitaet Chemnitz | Phone: +49 371 561 2130 | Fachbereich Maschinenbau III | FAX: +49 371 561 2413 | Reichenhainer Str. 70 | mail: Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE D-O-9022 Chemnitz |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dimitri@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko) Subject: Re: Exception #2 on attempted boot Message-ID: <C1910r.J7r@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl> Organization: Delft University of Technology References: <1jnhkjINNg6b@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:29:14 GMT In article <1jnhkjINNg6b@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: > > >A non-technical client across the country from me was using WordPerfect on >Saturday when his system froze (don't think we can blame WordPerfect on this >one :-) He says that he couldn't get anything to respond including the power >key, so he pulled the plug. He tried to boot and was thrown into the ROM >monitor with an "Exception #2" error message. I tried to help him reboot by >having him manually enter various boot commands including booting from his 3.0 >CD-ROM. Immediately after entering any boot command, the "Exception #2" error >occurred. > >I assumed he had a hardware problem. He borrowed another NeXT and headed for >his demos in another state. Upon returning today, he again tried to boot and >everything seems normal! I still suspect a hardware problem, but knowing what >"Exception #2" means might be a big clue. > >If anyone can shed any light on this, please let me know. >-- > >Art Isbell Cubic Solutions >NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting >NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 >USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515 Well, I'm not sure, but these are my experiences: 1) At one occasion, what I experienced was exactly the same as what Art mentions above (except that WP was not involved). I could boot from CD, though. The filesystem was OK. So I replaced the boot block (please use extreme care while doing this!) and everything worked OK. 2) At another occasion, my system came to a halt with this series of messages: Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: 1667329652, <3>/: bad block Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block 1667329652, ino 84993 Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block 1652571184, <3>/: bad block Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block 1652571184, ino 84993 Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -32567613, <3>/: bad block Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -32567613, ino 84993 Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -2082471937, <3>/: bad block Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -2082471937, ino 84993 Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -134217729, <3>/: bad block Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -134217729, ino 84993 Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -32, <3>/: bad block Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -32, ino 84993 Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -1987, <3>/: bad block Jan 19 01:33:39 dutiea syslogd: going down on signal 15 No booting possible, of course. The filessystem was a pretty mess, too. After manually fsck'ing still no boot. After replacing the kernel (no message about corruptness od /sdmach given by fsck!) it booted, but not immediately: an exception #2 arose. But after typing "b" the system booted normally. Power-off, power-on - again exception #2. Very simple explanation: in the process of trying everything I turned "boot diagnostics" boot option on. Since there are no diagnostics to boot, the boot process gives this exception. On both occasions, the only part of the system I could blame, is the disk. Is there any possibility of checking the disk for bad blocks? Or could it be the faulty internal SCSI connection? I feel rather incomfortable with this. Has anybody experienced the same symptoms? Dimitri +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Dimitri Tischenko | D.B.Tischenko@IS.TWI.TUDelft.NL | NeXTmail preferred! | +---------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Delft University of Technology | Technische Universiteit Delft | | Fac Applied Math & Computer Science | Fac. Techn. Wiskunde & Informatica | | The Netherlands | Nederland | +---------------------------------------+------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dimitri@dutiea.twi.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko) Subject: free inode has _MANY_ blocks Message-ID: <C197oA.LLs@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl> Keywords: free inode Sender: news@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Dutiws News Administration) Organization: Delft University of Technology References: <C1910r.J7r@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:52:58 GMT In article <C1910r.J7r@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl> dimitri@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko) writes: ... > Has anybody experienced the same symptoms? > > Dimitri > Hello. In the same thread (the problem may be related) I've got this message a couple of times and I just saw it again: Jan 19 17:02:04 dutiea mach: free inode //84994 had 16248 blocks Jan 21 15:39:56 dutiea mach: free inode //87238 had 1225749778 blocks Jan 22 12:22:55 dutiea mach: free inode //87239 had 788890524 blocks Jan 22 12:41:30 dutiea mach: free inode //87243 had 1985137377 blocks Is it panic time? Dimitri -- Dimitri Tischenko NeXTmail preferred! Delft University of Technology Technische Universiteit Delft Fac Applied Math & Computer Science Fac. Techn. Wiskunde & Informatica The Netherlands Nederland
From: ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Michael Amirault) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Bitch, Bitch, Btich (was Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors) Message-ID: <107969@bu.edu> Date: 22 Jan 93 14:45:00 GMT References: <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@bu.edu In article <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > > The Fimi sucks; it's an embarrassment to NeXT. The new Sony > is so much better it's not even funny. We previously refused > to purchase color NeXT systems without 3rd party displays > (Nanao T560i). In the future we won't hesitate to order > the NeXT/Sony 17" display. > Am I the only one who absolutely *loves* there NeXTStation Color with the Fimi 17" display?? Everyday I read in these newsgroups how: a) the Fimi 17" display is a piece of ****. b) 3.0 is so buggy that is shoudln't have been released. c) All the NeXT machines running 3.0 are too slow unless they have 32MB of memory. I can't be the only one out there who thinks this all a bunch of garbage, can I? I have a NSC at home with 16MB of memory and Fimi 17" monitor and I think it's the best thing I've ever used. I've had virtually no trouble with bugs in 3.0. Sure, people here have outlined ways to crash your machine (I've yet to find a machine that couldn't be crashed) but I generally don't keep repeating events that I know are going to crash my machine :-) In the 10 months since I've had my machine (4 with 3.0 running), my machine has crashed about 4 times and that is through a lot of use. I have no problems with speed either. I think speed is a relative thing but I think the people who are complaining that you can't run 3.0 without at least 20MB color and 16MB b+w are off base. I'm writing this message on a NeXTCube '040 with 8MB of memory and while I would classify it as slow, it is still *very* usable. So, if there is *anyone* out there who feels the same way as I do please let me know!! I find it really difficult to believe that all of these recent postings (bitchings, whinings, NeXT death forcasters..) represent as much of the NeXT community as they are representing in netnews traffic (50%?). Mike Amirault (these views are obviously my own...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer) Subject: Re: Bitch, Bitch, Btich (was Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors) Message-ID: <1993Jan22.154340.12725@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame References: <107969@bu.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:43:40 GMT In article <107969@bu.edu> ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Michael Amirault) writes: > In article <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu> > nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > > > > The Fimi sucks; it's an embarrassment to NeXT. The new Sony > > is so much better it's not even funny. We previously refused > > to purchase color NeXT systems without 3rd party displays > > (Nanao T560i). In the future we won't hesitate to order > > the NeXT/Sony 17" display. > > > > Am I the only one who absolutely *loves* there NeXTStation > Color with the Fimi 17" display?? Everyday I read in these > newsgroups how: > > a) the Fimi 17" display is a piece of ****. > b) 3.0 is so buggy that is shoudln't have been released. > c) All the NeXT machines running 3.0 are too slow unless > they have 32MB of memory. > > I can't be the only one out there who thinks this all a bunch of > garbage, can I? I have a NSC at home with 16MB of memory and Fimi > 17" monitor and I think it's the best thing I've ever used. > .. I too am using a NeXTstation color with 16 Mb of RAM and NeXTSTEP 3.0, and find it very useable and satisfying. I haven't found any bugs in 3.0, and 16 Mb RAM is quite adequate for my everyday work (programming and using many different applications). -- Matthew J. Grismer M M JJJJJJJJJJ GGGGGGGG 300 Cushing Hall MM MM J G University of Notre Dame M M M M J G GGGG e-mail: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu M M M M J G G NeXTmail preferred M M M M J J G G M MM M JJJJJ GGGGGGGG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Bitch, Bitch, Btich (was Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors) Message-ID: <C19J13.Lpp@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu> <107969@bu.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:58:00 GMT ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Michael Amirault) writes: > Am I the only one who absolutely *loves* there NeXTStation >Color with the Fimi 17" display?? Everyday I read in these >newsgroups how: > I can't be the only one out there who thinks this all a bunch of >garbage, can I? I have a NSC at home with 16MB of memory and Fimi >17" monitor and I think it's the best thing I've ever used. We have Fimi monitors manufactured from 1991 on to April/May 1992. Their quality varies greatly. We have some April 1992 monitors that are absolutely beautiful. We have various 1991 monitors that are all washed out and fuzzy in the middle. ("Stonewashed" - Drew Davidson) Even with the crappy monitors, I think that most people here would agree that it is the best thing they've ever used. It's just that many people (I'm sure Nathan included) think that it's crazy to pay that much for a monitor when you can buy a better third party for an equivalent price. With the new trinitron, they now have no excuse to buy non-black monitors... -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: Re: The Clock on the NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan22.153041.12457@alf.uib.no> Organization: University of Bergen, Norway References: <2B5F173F.25498@news.service.uci.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:30:41 GMT schwarz@nucleus.ps.uci.edu (Randy Schwarz) writes: : In article <1993Jan12.170329.493@athena.mit.edu>, jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: : |> Hi, : |> : |> I've just got back for several weeks away to find that my NeXT had lost about 5 : |> minutes, mesurements since sugest its loosing about 10 to 15 seconds a day, is : |> this normal...do other people have this problem? : : My Next does the same. I never have measured the error in the clock, but it : just slow enough to anoy me. I must reset it every few weeks. : I'm running NS 2.1 also. : : randy Hmmm, mine works just fine. 040, 3.0, 16MB. Runs like a clock (ahem ;-) Regards, -- -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison,
From: jaffe@hoss.unl.edu (David Jaffe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: memory chips - best source Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:16:25 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jp6kpINNivu@crcnis1.unl.edu> What's the best source for memory chips for a NeXTStation Turbo? Are there any parameters (e.g speed) which I need to know when ordering the chips? I was told that Stratum Technology is a reasonable source, but I don't have a working phone number for them. David Jaffe (jaffe@hoss.unl.edu) University of Nebraska - Lincoln
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:05:07 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1jp5vjINNcp2@shelley.u.washington.edu> References: <1993Jan21.195021.5257@athena.mit.edu> <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <1993Jan21.195021.5257@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu >(Eric M Hermanson) writes: >> Will someone please comment on the improved clarity (if >> any) of the new Sony Trinitron Color monitors over the old >> Fimi 17 inch monitors? Is there THAT big of a difference to >> warrant selling an old color system and buying a new one with >> Trinitron monitor? >The Fimi sucks; it's an embarrassment to NeXT. The new Sony >is so much better it's not even funny. We previously refused >to purchase color NeXT systems without 3rd party displays >(Nanao T560i). In the future we won't hesitate to order >the NeXT/Sony 17" display. >> How does the new Trinitron compare to the existing 21 inch >> monitors? >I think it's better than the 21" display (hitachi?), but >some people prefer the larger pixel size. Note that the >viewing area does not increase since NeXT doesn't seem to >support 1280x1024 or larger displays, yet another curious >hardware decision in NeXT's history. >-- >Nathan Janette >PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu What he said; exactly. David Basiji UW Bioengineering NeRD #3762
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wkwong@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Re: Bitch, Bitch, Btich (was Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors) Message-ID: <1993Jan22.165523.7719@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering References: <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu> <107969@bu.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:55:23 GMT In article <107969@bu.edu> ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Michael Amirault) writes: >In article <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu> >nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >> >> The Fimi sucks; it's an embarrassment to NeXT. The new Sony >> is so much better it's not even funny. We previously refused >> to purchase color NeXT systems without 3rd party displays >> (Nanao T560i). In the future we won't hesitate to order >> the NeXT/Sony 17" display. >> > > Am I the only one who absolutely *loves* there NeXTStation >Color with the Fimi 17" display?? Everyday I read in these >newsgroups how: > > a) the Fimi 17" display is a piece of ****. > b) 3.0 is so buggy that is shoudln't have been released. > c) All the NeXT machines running 3.0 are too slow unless > they have 32MB of memory. > > I can't be the only one out there who thinks this all a bunch of >garbage, can I? I have a NSC at home with 16MB of memory and Fimi >17" monitor and I think it's the best thing I've ever used. > > I've had virtually no trouble with bugs in 3.0. Sure, people here >have outlined ways to crash your machine (I've yet to find a machine >that couldn't be crashed) but I generally don't keep repeating events >that I know are going to crash my machine :-) In the 10 months since I've >had my machine (4 with 3.0 running), my machine has crashed about 4 >times and that is through a lot of use. > > I have no problems with speed either. I think speed is a relative >thing but I think the people who are complaining that you can't run >3.0 without at least 20MB color and 16MB b+w are off base. I'm writing >this message on a NeXTCube '040 with 8MB of memory and while I would >classify it as slow, it is still *very* usable. > > So, if there is *anyone* out there who feels the same way as I do please >let me know!! I find it really difficult to believe that all of these >recent postings (bitchings, whinings, NeXT death forcasters..) represent >as much of the NeXT community as they are representing in netnews traffic >(50%?). > > Mike Amirault >(these views are obviously my own...) I second what you said. I love my Cube with NS3.0 and Fimi mono monitor. This is really the CUTTING-EDGE computer I can ever used! I also have a 486PC but it is not usable (for development) by comparison to my NeXT! Andy
From: pkron@corona.wa.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: RSI - NeXT Message-ID: <15.UUL1.3#16216@corona.wa.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:01:50 PDT References: <1993Jan20.102242.19868@dhhalden.no> Organization: Corona Design, Inc. > From: borrel@dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen) > Newsgroups: comp.human-factors,sci.med.occupational,comp.sys.next.hardware,nornext@alf.uib.no,comp.sys.next.misc > Subject: RSI - NeXT > Message-ID: <1993Jan20.102242.19868@dhhalden.no> > Date: 20 Jan 93 10:22:42 GMT > > After having used Macs and other stuff the last 12 years, I got > a NeXT Dimensions Cube, fell in love with it and got RSI > (repetitive stress injury). > Anyone else have problems after switching to a NeXT. I, too, had some difficulty after switching to the NeXTStation, although not as severe as this post. In my case it only affected my mouse (right) hand. I suspect it had to do with dragging the wrist along the mouse pad, putting slight but steady pressure on the "jellyware" therein. I was able to alleviate the problem significantly by getting a foam wrist pad, but placing it lengthwise under my right elbow and forearm rather than across the width of the keyboard. Not trying to raise an alarm about this, but I wonder, has anyone had better (or worse) luck with the new mouse? --------------- Peter Kron Corona Design, Inc. Peter_Kron@corona.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors Message-ID: <1993Jan22.182241.7069@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:22:41 GMT In article <107969@bu.edu> ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Michael Amirault) writes: >In article <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu> >nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >> >> The Fimi sucks; it's an embarrassment to NeXT. The new Sony >> is so much better it's not even funny. We previously refused >> to purchase color NeXT systems without 3rd party displays >> (Nanao T560i). In the future we won't hesitate to order >> the NeXT/Sony 17" display. >> > > Am I the only one who absolutely *loves* there NeXTStation >Color with the Fimi 17" display?? Everyday I read in these >newsgroups how: > > a) the Fimi 17" display is a piece of ****. > b) 3.0 is so buggy that is shoudln't have been released. > c) All the NeXT machines running 3.0 are too slow unless > they have 32MB of memory. > > I can't be the only one out there who thinks this all a bunch of >garbage, can I? I have a NSC at home with 16MB of memory and Fimi >17" monitor and I think it's the best thing I've ever used. > I don't personally subscribe to "get Sony's monitors at whatever the cost" either. I have my second GDM-1936 'cause the first one had a defect. Aren't the monochrome monitors made by Sony (it took a year or two to get those right). The convergence at the screen edges for both has been less than stellar. Other experiences: Bought a Sony Walkman that died after 6 months. $60 repair bill. Bought a Sony A/V receiver that was so noisy that I couldn't hear low volume classical music passages over the hum. (Compared it to the showroom model upon return and it did the same). So buy what you can afford. And don't pay 1 1/2 or 2 times as much for something _just_ because it has Sony stamped on it. Do a reasonable comparison for that particular product. We have Hitachi's monitors on our SGIs which I prefer over any Sony I've seen. Michael McCulloch Huntsville, AL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: jr@sade.ka.sub.org (Jochen Richter) Subject: Development Tools for TMS320C40 on NeXT? Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:52:51 GMT Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn Sender: news@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Das Newssystem auf pilhuhn) Message-ID: <1993Jan22.095251.18986@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org> Hi, I am looking for TMS320C40 emulations, cross compilers and hardware attachments for NeXTstations. Jochen -- Jochen Richter Phone +49-721-696922 Zahringerstrasse 57 Fax +49-721-696988 D-7500 Karlsruhe 1 e-mail: jr@sade.ka.sub.org Germany jr@resy.kfk.de (>50K)
From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Stedi-LANding Message-ID: <C19pxE.5IB@newcastle.ac.uk> Date: 22 Jan 93 18:27:13 GMT Organization: University of Durham I'm in the market for a UPS and just read the .announce post regarding this product, but mailing to the address mentioned gave me a unknown mailer error (?). Does anyone know if this product will be usable in the United Kingdom on our power system, and if not, when it might be? Any assistance appreciated. Scott -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE SUN Computers: "Nice chips, shame about her OS" "If a virtual tree falls in a virtual forest, does it make a virtual sound?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nader@bogart (Nader Sahyouni) Subject: HP LaserJet III and Print Buffer Message-ID: <1993Jan22.224340.22469@news.acns.nwu.edu> Keywords: Print Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:43:40 GMT We have just upgraded our Color Station to 3.0, connected to a print buffer device (routes to a number of printers), and then to an HP LaserJet III with a Pacific Page PostScript Cartridge. It simply does not work. I get an error panel saying that the PostScript image was not completed. In the /usr/adm/lpd-errs file, I get a message like this: Jan 21 18:00:45 lucas Server:lucas_printer[219]: lucas:jerry - start Jan 21 18:00:54 lucas Server:lucas_printer[219]: PostScript error: rangecheck; OffendingCommand: lettertray Jan 21 18:00:54 lucas Server:lucas_printer[219]: Status: [Error: rangecheck; OffendingCommand: lettertray] Jan 21 18:00:55 lucas Server:lucas_printer[219]: Print job aborted My best guess is that in version 3.0, the printer driver has to wait for some info from the printer telling it what kind of tray it is using, and that message is getting eaten up by the print buffer device (which it should not). Any other ideas out there? It would help me to know that somebody else had no problem setting up a HP LaserJet III directly to a serial port as well. Thanks in advance, Nader xns@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware From: Tom Davies <tomd@horse.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Apple CD300 and audio disks and non-Macintosh machines? Message-ID: <C1A9D9.6Lo@demon.co.uk> Sender: news@demon.co.uk Organization: None References: <1993Jan22.041358.14246@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:27:08 GMT I would like to know if the CD300 can be used as an ordinary CD-ROM drive with other machines (e.g. a PC with a SCSI card). Is anyone using it on something other than a Mac? Thanks, Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Davies - 14 Rotterdam Drive, London E14 3JA, 071 987 0392 - tomd@horse.demon.co.uk -----PGP 2.0 PUBLIC KEY AVAILABLE----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: watanaby@rikvax.riken.go.jp Subject: Re: 17" Fimi Color Monitor Problems - Help! Message-ID: <1993Jan23.120141.1@rikvax.riken.go.jp> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Sender: usenet@riksun.riken.go.jp Organization: RIKEN (The Institute of Physical and Chemical Research) Wako, Saitama, 351-01, Japan References: <105881@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:01:41 GMT In article <105881@netnews.upenn.edu>, shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) writes: > The 17" Color Monitor (old Phillips variety, not Sony) on my Color > NeXTstation is dying. It was purchased in September '92 and only had a > 3 month warranty and I can't afford to have it repaired. It seems similer what I found my NeXT station color w/ phillips monitor. It was caused with the monitor cable. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- $@EOn49/!wJ|<M@~8&5f<<!%M}2=3X8&5f=j(J (Internet: watanaby@rikvax.riken.go.jp) Yasushi Watanabe (Hepnet: rikvax::watanaby) The Institute of Physical (Bitnet: watanaby@jpnkekvx) and Chemical Research (RIKEN) (NeXTmail: watanabe@nabext.riken.go.jp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Subject: NeXTSTEP 486 Specifications Message-ID: <1993Jan23.040054.10766@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:00:54 GMT There have been a lot of questions regarding hardware specs for NeXTSTEP 486. Here is a paraphrased summary of what is basically needed to run NeXTSTEP 486. These specifications are preliminary, and will most likely change as additional hardware is supported. For specific configurations, consult the NeXTSTEP 486 hardware compatibility guide, or contact NeXT. CPU - 486SX, 486DX, 486 DX/2. Future 80x86 chips will be supported. Need an ISA or EISA expansion bus. 486DX and 486DX/2 are reccommended processors. Hard Drive Minimum - 120MB user environment, 330MB developer environment Graphics - Both Greyscale (2bit) and color (16bit) will be supported. For 2 bit color (4 shades of grey) most VESA or SVGA cards will do. Popular SVGA cards from vendors like Orchid, ATI, Paradise, Video Seven and Compaq will work. Supported resolutions: 1024*768, 800*600, 640*480. The RAM requirements for 2bit systems is 8MB minimum, 12MB recommended. 16bit color systems - High quality graphics adapters needed. Like Intel JAWS (such as Dell's Processor Direct Graphics), Chips and Technologies Wingine, and certain Local Bus Graphics adapters. Depending on size of available VRAM (video RAM) resolutoins of 800*600, 1024*768, 1120*832, 1280*1024 will be supported. RAM requirements for 16 bit color are 16 MB minimum, 24MB recommended. Both IDE and SCSI interfaces will be supported. Microsoft and Logitec compatible bus, PS/2 port and Serial mice are supported. Certain graphics tablets will be supported. Postscript level I and II printers will be suupported, connected through either the serial or parallel port. Non postscript printers will be supported in a future release. ISA and EISA based networking adaptors will be supported including Ethernet and Token ring cards from vendors such as SMC, intel, and 3Com. A networking card is optional. Sound Support - Sound Blaster or Pro Audio Spectrum cards are optional. ISDN support - supported through ISA add on cards. FAX modems and fax modem cards will be supported Eric Hermanson NeXT Campus Consultant at MIT
From: rawyatt@phakt.usc.edu (Robert Alexander Wyatt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT CD-ROM Problem and Question Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:38:50 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1jr3naINNf5u@phakt.usc.edu> Has anybody had problems with NeXT's CD-ROM drive? Here's what I mean...I do not have the extended Release 3 on my hard drive (because I don't have the space), so I sometimes play with the demos, etc. on the CD...the following has happened several times...the CD starts spinning and does not stop...I can't eject the disc...I have to logout to get every- thing to return to normal...what gives? Any clues? Also, is there a command to force the CD to mount or dismount? Thanks a lot! Please email or post any responses! Later, Rob rawyatt@scf.usc.edu
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ArchiveViper2525,25462 NextStationTurbo,PCcase,hard disk Summary: 3 subjects in one posting... Keywords: help, Tape drive, hard disk, external case from PC-land Message-ID: <43887@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 23 Jan 93 00:42:05 GMT References: <1993Jan15.175254.1612@pombo.inescc.pt> Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Part of this message is in response to a posting by pmelo@inescc.pt. I was unable to send mail to that address, if anyone knows Paulo Melo or is able to forward mail there, I would appreciate your forwarding this message on my behalf. Thanks! :-) Paulo, e-mail I sent to your address kept bouncing back so I'm posting this to the net. I recently bought a Wangtek drive, 5525ES, a 525MB tape drive, similar to the Archive Viper, I think. I have the same problems you describe, the control commands work, but writing to tape fails (no cat, tar, dd, dump). The only write that seems to work is the mt where marks signifying eof are made... Not all that useful! I hadn't thought that raw tape devices (rst0, nrst0, rst1, nrst1) could even use fixed block sizes, so that wouldn't seem to be the problem? I had thought the problem may have been in the default tape values, so I tried to calculate the tape length, bytes/inch, and track number for a tape cartridge (as opposed to magnetic or videoformat tapes), but NeXT dump doesn't seem to have keys to specify these options for 'dump'. (Unlike the Sun, which uses user-defined parameters when the defaults are not appropriate) I'd be interested in any suggestions you might have received from net.people, or anything ideas you or anyone might have:-). Maybe we could figure this out together? I'd hate to have to return my nice tape drive. Does anyone out there have any experience with the Wangtek tape drives? Thanks, Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu P.S. Those of you who know about my previously posted request for info about 1GB+ hard drives... well, I haven't made a decision yet, although I'm still looking. Cube Route's distributor doesn't carry Toshibas either, due to purported problems with a high rate of returns on the item (5 out of 30?). So I'm left with either getting the Toshiba from a less NeXT-oriented place, or one of the other 3.5" drives. I'll keep you updated with a summary of the decision parameters :-)...Next week..... Also, I've gotten a request or two for info on how I turned a PC case into a case that will hold peripherals for the NeXT. If there's general interest in this, please let me know and I'll post my procedure. A baby PC case is way bulkier than the slab, but I didn't want a half dozen individual cases littering (expensively) my desk. And yes, it's far less expensive than buying custom cases. I only have the (as yet not functioning correctly) tape drive in the case thus far, but all the connections seem to work fine, and the length of ribbon cable I used is not longer than what's crammed inside my Macintosh case so there probablywon't be an [electronic] noise problem when I add other hardware... Thanks to the people who advised me that PC cases do not supply the full stated voltage (+/-12V and +/-5V) until there's a load connected across the +5 line. (0.5 watts in my case). I was pretty confused as to why the voltmeter only registered 4volts for the 12 volt line...
From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors Message-ID: <C1BKDM.9AD@cs.mcgill.ca> Date: 23 Jan 93 18:22:33 GMT References: <1993Jan21.195021.5257@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@cs.mcgill.ca (Netnews Administrator) Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada In article <1993Jan21.195021.5257@athena.mit.edu> zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >Will someone please comment on the improved clarity (if any) of the new >Sony Trinitron Color monitors over the old Fimi 17 inch monitors? Is there >THAT big of a difference to warrant selling an old color system and buying >a new one with Trinitron monitor? Trinitron == Rolls Royce Fimi == Yugo I never saw blue until I saw the Trinitron monitor using NeXTSTEP. (But hey, a picture is worth a thousand words, isn't it?) - db
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Drive drive Message-ID: <1993Jan23.194204.15246@macc.wisc.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:42:04 GMT Note_1: Followups directed to comp.sys.next.misc, to keep subsequent discussion in one place. Sorry for the massive cross-posting, wanted to reach the maximum readership. Note_2: An earlier posting about this already appeared in comp.sys.next.misc. This is a restatement and expansion of that. Background: Several people have suggested solving the archive server space crunch by asking users to kick in money to purchase additional drives for sonata and orst. I've volunteered to collect pledges and to contact Purdue and Oregon State to see what they think of the idea. I'll do that at the beginning of next week. Five people pledged money in the first hour, six counting me. The amounts so far are like $10-$20 for each server site. Respondents so far think it's a cool idea and are making other useful suggestions too. I'll also be contacting vendors to see if they can make us a special deal, if things develop to the point when it looks like it might work. I'm not collecting money (not yet, anyway), so don't send any. If you're interested in this, just send me email (rather than posting, I might miss it) with the amount of your pledge. If you're a developer who has or intends to have your software on these servers, please indicate your product names as well. Although this seems to be an idea whose time has come, please be aware that the universities involved might not be as enthusiastic about it as we are. There are always bureaucracies, policy implications, and hidden costs to be involved in such enterprises, as well I know, having worked at universities for 40 years. But don't let those things stop you from offering. One thing: please don't make a pledge unless you mean it. In the interest of not getting myself overloaded, I will send you a simple ACK to say I got your message. -- [Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Using alternate printers Message-ID: <108099@bu.edu> Date: 23 Jan 93 23:03:42 GMT Sender: news@bu.edu Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Originator: mek@acs.bu.edu I'm very interested in using an Epson ActionLaser II with a Next monostation. The Epson Actionlaser II is capable of emulating an HP laserjet IIp. Would this work if I hooked it up to a station? Would I need a special cable? The printer has both a serial and a parallel port. Markus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Toshiba MK538FB? Royce Howland? Message-ID: <C1DCqK.6L6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Jan19.190218.7363@pencom.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:32:29 GMT ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) writes: >I'm looking for more disk space and may have narrowed my choice down >to the Toshiba MK538FB. This is a 1.2g 12ms 3-1/2" 1/2 height drive. >Is anyone using this drive? what do you think of it? Do you boot >from it? Did you have to do anything special to get it working? How >did you build the disk? I have heard of several people using this drive, some even installing it internally to their station, so I am pretty sure it works OK. However, I would be interested to hear from those people now on whether or not they are happy with their purchase. I'm considering buying one of these, also, and if anyone wants to talk me out of it, please do. Either post or e-mail and I'll summarize, as inexpensive gig drives are often a popular subject. Thanks. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: pmelo@pombo.inescc.pt (Paulo Melo) Subject: NeXT and Archive Tape Drives - SOLUTION Message-ID: <1993Jan25.120433.13206@pombo.inescc.pt> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware,poster Summary: A solution for the problem of using Archive Tape drives on NeXT Keywords: Solution Archive Tape Drives SCSI Organization: INESC - Nucleo de Coimbra Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:04:33 GMT Some time ago I made a posting asking about possible solutions for a Archive Tape drive in which the tape control commands worked, but the data transfer didn't. As promised, here goes a solution that works (well, it worked for me :-). The following is a little C program I compiled and put on my rc.local, that set's the transfer settings for use of fixed 512 bytes blocks. This code is taken from NeXTanswers. (BTW, if you still don't have it, go and get NeXTanswers. It's a great place to search for NeXTinformation needed for both users and sysadmins). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- /* * The following code configures the SCSI tape driver for /dev/rst0 * to support fixed-sized data transfers of 512 bytes each. */ #include <sys/types.h> #include <sys/file.h> #include <nextdev/scsireg.h> main() { int fd, error; int blocksize = 512; /* or whatever block size your tape likes*/ fd = open("/dev/rst0", O_RDWR, 777); if (ioctl(fd, MTIOCFIXBLK, &blocksize)) { perror("ioctl failedn"); return 1; } close (fd); return 0; } ------------------------------------------------------------------- Objnote: If you compile this code with NeXTStep 3.0 with will warn you about using old (version 2.0) headers. Forget the warnings. I didn't, and the code I compiled with the 3.0 headers didn't work. You have been warned. Objthanks: I would like to thank jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey), harit@kripalu.com (Harit) and lliou@sdcc3.UCSD.EDU (Lily Liou) for their kind help and answers to my request. Thanks, boys and girls. -- Paulo Melo | "once again the sound of crying pmelo@inescc.pt | is #1 across the earth..." Prefab Sprout
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kluge daniel) Subject: IBM 1GB HD Message-ID: <1993Jan25.150830.11396@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:08:30 GMT Sorry, that I have to start a new thread, but, the other one already expired. Several people mentioned, that the Drive works, some others, that it doesn't. All the people around me, which I asked, replied, that it DOESN'T work!! Notice well, that I speak of the IBM0663-H12, and nothing else. As my dealer said, there exist several drives named 0663xxx. He also said, that several people tried to let those drives work, both internal and external, and ALL Drives came back. I asked to friends, and they said as well, that the drive doesn't work on the NeXT, they bought another one. Why the IBM-Drive ?? It's fast, it's small, and its veeeeeery cheap! So please tell me anybody, does the IBM0663-H12 work, if yes, what modifications needed, or doesn't it . - daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: Toshiba MK538FB? Royce Howland? Message-ID: <1993Jan25.174431.3937@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <1993Jan19.190218.7363@pencom.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:44:31 GMT ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) writes: >I'm looking for more disk space and may have narrowed my choice down >to the Toshiba MK538FB. This is a 1.2g 12ms 3-1/2" 1/2 height drive. >Is anyone using this drive? what do you think of it? Do you boot >from it? Did you have to do anything special to get it working? How >did you build the disk? >Royce Howland sent me email about this drive. I tried to reply >several times, but it bounced every time. So Royce thanks for your >response and I'd like to ask you (or anyone else) the questions listed >above. Please write or call. >Thanks much!! Well, I haven't gone anywhere. :~) Yes, I'm using the drive mentioned. I think it's a great buy for the money. It Just Works, nothing special required. I use the drive externally as a boot drive now, although at first I didn't boot from it since I was slowly and carefully (after hearing all the net-borne screams of anguish regarding upgrading to NS3.0) transfering the contents of my running NS2.1 system (formerly on a Fujitsu 660MB drive) onto the Toshiba and NS3.0. I built the disk several different ways leading up to my final choice, since I wanted to experiment with all the possible tools under NS3.0, not having been the one to configure the original Fujitsu drive under NS2.0. My final choice involved customizing /etc/disktab to define 5 partitions and then using a nifty little NeXT script /usr/etc/builddisk to build the disk. The builddisk script relies, however, on several other scripts (/etc/BLD.*) and corresponding custom fstab files (/etc/fstab.*) which NeXT did not include with the NS3.0 release. So I had to grab those from NS2.x. A little tweaking, and presto! A script that can build virtually any configuration of drive that your heart desires. I'm unsure why NeXT seems not to officially support /usr/etc/builddisk, since it looks very flexible and complete. I'm also not sure why they recommend against using multiple partitions on big drives. The first time a corrupted filesystem walks a pattern of destruction across 1.2GB (or more) worth of OS, programs, data, etc., you'll be sorry you didn't partition things, even if you've got backups out the wazoo. IMHO, anyway. One question I've got for anybody else using the Toshiba, though, is why the pair of I/O benchmark programs I've got claim the drive can write faster than it can read. This doesn't make sense to me... -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are easier royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | to write and run faster, too." or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | ad for OS/2 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yanfang@cc.utah.edu (YAN FANG) Subject: Sam Goldberger--where is he? Message-ID: <25JAN199315014758@cc.utah.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:01 MST I'm a NeXT specialist at a VAR in SLC. A client wants to look at one of Sam Goldberger's modified '040 boards. If anyone knows his phone number, could that anyone please email it to me--or call me at 801/269-8877. Kris Magnusson Alpine Computing/MicroAge chris@nurslab303a.nurs.utah.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Quantum PD1225S? Message-ID: <1993Jan25.162940.28879@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:29:40 GMT OKOK, so I asked the net about the Toshiba MK538FB and got lots of great responses. It was so fine, I gotta do it again. This time, I'm looking at the Quantum P1225S drive. It's a 3-1/2" half height 10ms 1.2gig drive. Sounds promising so far. Anyone have experience with this disk? Please email and I will summarize. Thanks!! -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com (212) 513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Toshiba MK538FB Summary Message-ID: <1993Jan25.162657.28827@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:26:57 GMT A little while back I posted asking about the Toshiba MK538FB drive. Lots of people responded and here is a summary. The Toshiba MK538FB is a 3-1/2" half height drive. Capacity is 1.2gig and access speed is 12ms. Transfer rate is 10mb/s and it has a 512k cache. The drive comes with a 5 year warrantee. Overall people had good things to say about this drive. In fact there was only one serious negative, but I'll get to that in a bit. As far as I know everyone who responded used the drive in a slab. One poster mentioned that side of the slab was a little warm but that they didn't have any real heat problems. Supposedly the smaller drives can have a bit of a heat problem. This would probably be a factor if you are installing the disk in a slab which doesn't get much ventilation. People say it's faster than their old drives, but I suppose that is relative. It was mentioned several times that the drive does a noisy seek but that they didn't mind after a day or so. It is reportedly quiet when at idle. One responder had a minor problem lining up the mounting screws but managed to get it mounted using two screws instead of all four. And One person said an external SCSI terminator is required when installing as an internal drive. As for the major negative report, one responder wrote about a posting describing vibration problems with two of the drives. I seem to recall this post, but I am confused because the header said Toshiba and the post itself said Fujitsu (which I've heard alot of bad about). Anyway I was unable to reach either the guy with the original problem or the one who relayed the information to me due to bogus net connectivity. So if you are rainman!brian@ms.uky.edu, please clear this up... Did you have problems with Toshiba or Fujitsu? Did I buy one? I was THIS CLOSE... Then someone mentioned a Quantum drive in the same range. So I am going to do the same question/response/summary thing again and then choose between the two. Thanks to all who responded, especially Royce Howland, Ted Shuck, John Mastrolia, John Todd and Larry Blische. And apologies to Edmund Ronald who wanted my old drive, cause I'm keeping it. -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com (212) 513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) Subject: Can a Station live without an internal drive? Message-ID: <1993Jan25.230703.25813@cs.wm.edu> Sender: news@cs.wm.edu (News System) Organization: The College of William and Mary Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:07:03 GMT I should receive a NeXTStation Turbo B/W 8/250 within days, and I am thinking to buy an external DAT (Archive Python) and a large HD (Fujitsu 3.5" 2694 1.2 Gig). I am also thinking to pull out the original 250 and sell it on the net to recoup some cash, but, for variuos reasons, I would like to keep the Fujitsu in the external enclosure, not in the the Station. The difference in price between the enclosure for the DAT only and the enclosure for the DAT and the HD is only $25, and the extra flexibility is worth it (to me). Is this possible? Reasonable? Advisable? -- Gianfranco Ciardo PS Does anybody want to buy a more-than-new (it's not even here yet!) 250 HD? :-) -- -- Gianfranco Ciardo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pjr@splash.Princeton.EDU (Peter Rayner) Subject: looking for graphics tablets Message-ID: <1993Jan25.205704.23961@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:57:04 GMT I need sources and costs for Next-compatible graphics tablets. It's important to note that this is for one of the original mono slabs so that none of the generic solutions for the new hardware will work. Please reply directly to avoid clutter, I'll summarize if there's interest. Thanks in advance -- Peter Rayner Program in Oceanic | "All right, I retract, the and Atmospheric Sciences Princeton | Honourable Member does *not* have University | the brains of a monkey." F.Daly
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: Can a Station live without an internal drive? Message-ID: <1993Jan26.033406.25200@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jan25.230703.25813@cs.wm.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 03:34:06 GMT In article <1993Jan25.230703.25813@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: > > I am also thinking to pull out the original 250 and sell it on the > net to recoup some cash, but, for variuos reasons, I would like to > keep the Fujitsu in the external enclosure, not in the the Station. > The difference in price between the enclosure for the DAT only and > the enclosure for the DAT and the HD is only $25, and the extra > flexibility is worth it (to me). > > Is this possible? Reasonable? Advisable? > Totally possible and straightforward. And if you hide your external underneath a pile of books and other mufflers, it will be amazingly quiet! -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tas@engr.ucf.edu (Taha Sidani) Subject: NeXT CD-ROM drive on IBM Message-ID: <1993Jan26.031309.7620@cs.ucf.edu> Sender: news@cs.ucf.edu (News system) Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:13:09 GMT I would like to use my NeXT CD-ROM drive on my PC compatible. What exactly do I need? I have an IDE drive controller in my PC. If I need a SCSI card, what type, how much (cheapest) and from where? What kind of software do I need (driver), and where can I get it? Thanks in advance Please reply to taha@ists.engr.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.dec,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.ncr,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.hp,comp.terminals From: hm@opus40.ix.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Info Needed: Graphics Ports amnd standards Message-ID: <1993Jan25.183351.5664@opus40.ix.de> Keywords: graphics connectors Sender: hm@opus40.ix.de (Harald Milz) Organization: iX-Redaktion Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:33:51 GMT Maybe it's a FAQ ... I apologize. But I don't subscribe to this newsgroup regularly, so I don't know. I urgently need some pointers (or even better information) about port layout on graphic cards of workstations and X-terminals. The aim is to issue a technical market view of such stuff. Some manufacturers have answered my questions freely, such as Sun, IBM, Tektronix and others. HP, DEC and SGI did not, and I would rather avoid printing an article without their data (which I would have to do blaming those who didn't answer). Following data is required: - type of connector and pin layout at the graphic card side of the cable - wave impedance of cabling and signal sources (mostly 75 Ohms). - peak signal voltage - polarity of sync pulses horizontally and vertically - available resolutions and picture refresh rates I'd well appreciate every piece of the mosaic since I have really gotten hot at the moment some of the manufacturers haven't answered :-) Please mail directly. Thanks. -- Harald Milz (hm@ix.de) iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine Helstorfer Str. 7, D-3000 Hannover 61 phone +49 511/547 47 66, fax +49 511/547 47 33
From: alanlb@thor.cs.vt.edu (Alan L. Batongbacal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Quantum LPS 525 on NeXT? Message-ID: <4080@creatures.cs.vt.edu> Date: 26 Jan 93 06:25:03 GMT Sender: usenet@creatures.cs.vt.edu Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept., Blacksburg, VA In my quest for a quiet internal 500MB drive for my NeXTstation (alas, the Fujitsu 520 fails this requirement miserably, and I've tried *three* of those), I'm looking at the new 525MB drive from Quantum. Has anybody tried this yet? Thanks! -- +---------------------------------------------v-----------------------------+ | Alan L. Batongbacal | "If you spew and she bolts, | | alanlb@cs.vt.edu | it was never meant to be." | | Bleaksburg, VA 24060 | -- Wayne Campbell | +---------------------------------------------^-----------------------------+
From: dan@mossy.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan Johnston) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: modem and cd Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:43:57 GMT Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k3f6tINNaaj@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> I am looking to buy a zyxel modem and a cd rom drive for my next turbo. Would anyone who has purchased any of these recently give me advice as to where I can get the best prices? thanks,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pan@athena.mit.edu (W. H. Pan) Subject: Help Needed--Hard disk media error Message-ID: <1993Jan26.151807.12447@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:18:07 GMT Hi, I was getting some media errors on my internal hard drive the other day. I was told that a low level format would correct those errors. Well, I used disk to perform the format and the initialization. But the media errors continued. I guess I'm doing something wrong, could someone here please email me the solution. Thanks. Any help will be much appreciated.
From: wsmith@cs.utexas.edu (Wesley C. Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Hard disk media errors Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:06:36 -0600 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Sender: Wesley C. Smith Message-ID: <1k3nicINNjnt@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> References: <1993Jan26.151807.12447@athena.mit.edu> Summary: What needs to be done with media errors? Keywords: Media Errors, Disk, Bad Blocks I have a new disk drive (Toshiba MK538FB) and have been getting several media errors. So for it has had about 10 in three weeks, one of which caused some files to be lost. None of the media errors has occured twice on the same block. Does that mean that 3.0 has marked those blocks as bad, the blocks are borderline bad, or that my lightly used system hasn't tried to read those blocks again? What needs to be done about the Media errors? Please e-mail any suggestions or comments. I have included the errors from /usr/adm/messages at the end. Thanks, Wes Smith wes@arissoft.com (NeXTmail) Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block 22a921H retry 1 Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block 1657bH retry 1 Jan 7 15:59:23 arissoft mach: Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block e8411H retry 1 Jan 7 16:14:55 arissoft mach: Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block 1dd52dH retry 1 Jan 8 15:50:18 arissoft mach: Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block 20bafH retry 1 Jan 9 10:41:43 arissoft mach: Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block 20babH retry 1 Jan 13 02:04:35 arissoft mach: Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block 189a09H retry 1 Jan 20 02:00:25 arissoft mach: Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block 21d9c7H retry 1 Jan 21 18:30:50 arissoft mach: Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block 224167H retry 1 Jan 21 02:00:19 arissoft mach: bad block -118620160, <3>/: bad block Jan 23 02:01:27 arissoft mach: Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block 1dd521H retry 1 Jan 23 02:04:10 arissoft mach: Target 0: MEDIA ERROR; block 122fdfH retry 1
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eoswald@iiic.ethz.ch (Erich Oswald) Subject: Cheap Printer for NeXTStation Message-ID: <1993Jan26.162429.6523@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Summary: How can I connect printers not contained in NeXT distribution Sender: eoswald@iiic.ethz.ch (Erich Oswald) Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:24:29 GMT I was wondering how I can connect a cheap (non-Postscript) printer to my NeXTStation. I was thinking about a HP Deskjet-500 (or similar printer). Is this possible? If yes, how? What other HW/SW do I need besides NeXTStep 3.0? Please reply by email (eoswald@iiic.ethz.ch) or on this newsgroup. (BTW I'm sorry if this has been asked before. In order to avoid bandwidth waste, just tell me where I can find a FAQ-list ;-)) Thanks, Erich Oswald (sorry, no .sig, I'm giving it up)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu (James Powell) Subject: Writeable CD-ROM hardware for NeXT Message-ID: <1993Jan26.164358.4563@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Keywords: CDROM Sender: usenet@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (News Administrator) Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:43:58 GMT Does anyone know of a vendor who sells a NeXT specific hardware/software configuration for publishing your own CD-ROMs? Any idea what the startup cost would be? I need hardware that will allow me to create ISO9660 CD-ROM's for use on various platforms, especially DOS. Thanks. -- James Powell >>> Library Automation, University Libraries, VPI&SU >>> JPOWELL@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU >>> jpowell@borg.lib.vt.edu - NeXTMail welcome here >>> Owner of VPIEJ-L, a discussion list for Electronic >>> Journals
From: cpp@next2032.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Christian Porath) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Problems with Optical Disk Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:18:43 GMT Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin Message-ID: <1k42qjINNhdm@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> I have a 5,25"-WRITE ONCE OPTICAL DISK CARTRIDGE LM 510 by the japanese company LASER MAGNETIC STORAGE INTERNATIONAL COMPANY that seems to be nearly full compatible to the NeXT-ODs, but I can not push it into the drive. Should I use the hammer or does anyone have another idea ? --------------------------- Christian Porath Institut fuer Landschaftsoekonomie Tech nische Universitaet Berlin email: cpp@next2032.le.tu-berlin.de to be nearly full compatible to the NeXT-ODs, but I can not push it into the drive. Should I use the hammer or does anyone have another idea ? --------------------------- Christian Porath Institut fuer Landschaftsoekonomie Tech
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: guy@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu (Laura Guy) Subject: Problems with EXABYTE drives; questions concerning DAT drives. Date: 26 Jan 93 12:49:29 CST Message-ID: <1993Jan26.124930.29808@doug.cae.wisc.edu> hello. a few months ago i sent mail to the group concerning the problem we have using our newly acquired EXABYTE drive with our NeXT. our main purpose for purchasing this drive was to create and append to TAR archives. there seems to a problem with the NeXT AND the EXABYTE in that we cannot append to a TAR archive. my question concerns DAT drives. are there people out there who can absolutely CONFIRM that they can use such a drive, which is attached to their NeXT, and that it will create a TAR archive and then append to that same archive? i would appreciate any confirmations, and particularly a description of the DAT (company, etc). if anyone out there as had luck with doing TAR appends to an EXABYTE, could you please send me mail as well? thanks much! laura guy data and program library service university of wisconsin-madison guy@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: keith@iscp.bellcore.com (Keith Hawkins) Subject: Source for SIMMs Sought Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:58:24 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan26.205824.3547@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> Sender: netnews@porthos.cc.bellcore.com (USENET System Software) [ Now how's that for aliteration. Looks like a Daily News headline!!!] Can someone recommend a vendor for 30-pin, low-profile, vertically mounted SIMMs for my '040 Cube? I need to find current prices and sources. The FAQ info seems to be a half a year old. You can reply to me directly, if you like to avoid cluttering this newsgroup. I'll post a summary of responses. Thanks, Keith
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: Using CD-ROM on NeXT over NFS from PC Message-ID: <1993Jan26.192545.26912@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:25:45 GMT I have a CD-ROM drive attached to my NeXT Station. I am using FTP Software's PC/TCP and I have IDRIVE installed, version 1.05. I can export the CD-ROM directory, and then using the IDMNT command from the PC can mount the directory as a drive on the PC. I can then switch to that drive from the PC, and can change directories, and can get a DIR of the files on the CD-ROM from the PC. Problem is when I go to COPY any files, it dies. It just sits there. The only time I ever did get a message it said something about an 'Invalid Function' and pointed to the .BAT file I was trying to copy from the CD-ROM. Anyone have any ideas? I have tried making it ReadOnly and also ReadWrite from the export end of things. Could it be the block size it is trying to use for disk reads/writes? Anyone that can help would be greatly appreciated........ ************************************************************************** * John Burke * * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * jburke@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu * **************************************************************************
From: keith@iscp.bellcore.com (Keith Hawkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SIMM expansion questions Message-ID: <1993Jan26.204038.3281@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> Date: 26 Jan 93 20:40:38 GMT Sender: netnews@porthos.cc.bellcore.com (USENET System Software) Distribution: usa Organization: Bellcore Hello, I've decided to expand the memory in my cube. I ran the ROM monitor program and displayed the memory configuration. It said something like SLOTS 0-3 have 4MB paged memory SLOTS 4-7 have 4MB paged memory SLOTS 8-11 have 0 memory SLOTS 12-15 have 0 memory. I have a couple questions regarding the addition of SIMMS. 1) After reading the FAQ, I understand that SIMMs must be added in sets of 4. Does this mean a set of 4 identical capacity SIMMs? Like can I add 2 1MB SIMMs and 2 4MB SIMMs to make a set of four? (My guess is NO, the must all be of the same capacity.) 2) Can I buy a set of 4 4MB SIMMs and add them to slots 8-11? Or should I add them in slots 0-3 and move the 1MB SIMMS currently in those slots to slots 8-11? Does it matter?? 3) Is the FAQ current with regard to vendors selling the appropriate types of SIMMS that work on the 68040 board?? Any other places to try?? Thanks, Keith
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:04:32 EST From: <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93026.190432HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Video via the NeXTDimension - Summary I posted a question about resolution and picture stability during output on the NeXTDimension board a couple of weeks ago. I've received many responses as e-mail, and a few have been posted to this discussion group. Here is a summary both of the private responses and the net postings. Thanks to everyone who helped out, and expecially to Russ Werner at NeXT for the posting on the NDs strengths and limitations. BTW, these are not necessarily in the order they were posted or sent to me. Peter Eisch <peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu> writes... = In simple words, the NTSC signal is interlaced, meaning that every other = line isdrawn and thus takes twoscans of the screen to redraw the whole = screen. The window border is EXACTLY onone line across and = thus only gets redrawn every other pass. This is what causes it to flicker. Denis Norton <nort@goat.geo.arizona.edu> writes... = single pixel high horizontal lines will vibrate your eyes out... = keep the lines fat, select optimum colors... and experiment. = i have not had any problems with interdevice noise, but = am using the top of the line JVC editing decks. David L. Leon <dleon@seas.smu.edu> writes... = You could use a time base corrector (TBC) between the ND and VCR. They = are not cheap however. The vibrations could also be fixed with a sync = restorer unit (about $200 US), you would have to fine tune the clamp and = possibly boost the image. = Izumi Ohzawa <izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu> writes... = = Just to present a data point, I recorded ND video to a = standard VHS VCR via composite video out. (Nothing fancy = a Toshiba that was less than $400). = = It made good video recording just like I expected. You should = be able to make good quality video straight from the ND video = out. = = A few things to note off the top of my head. = = [1] keep your VCR reasonably far away from your NeXT and = ND Color monitor, or any other screen. = = [2] Check the composite video output first by connecting it = to a monitor first. Do you get stable image this way? = = [3] Try to feed the video through VCR's amps and then to = a video monitor. = = [4] If the power plug for your VCR is not keyed for polarity, = try reversing it. = = Just some suggestions. The bottom line is that you shouldn't = need any of expensive time-base correcter or any other = expensive professional equipment. =========================================================================== Ross Werner <Ross_Werner@next.com> writes... One of the unfortunate facts of life with the existing television standards (NTSC and PAL) is that they are interlaced. A complete picture, or frame, is made up of two fields - one containing all the odd lines, the other with all the even lines. Drawing of the fields alternates at a 60Hz rate (50 Hz for PAL.) This means that any single pixel wide horizontal line will flicker since it is drawn in only one field. The NeXT user interface uses lots of single pixel wide horizontal lines, this looks great on the NeXT monitor but flickers annoyingly on the NTSC output. The NTSC standard will also result in some other artifacts, such as "chroma - crawl" on edges where there is a color change. I don't know what you mean by "window borders appeared to vibrate wildly (left to right)." I have used many different VCRs (everything from a $199 consumer model to an $8000 professional model) to record the ND video output, and with the exception of the problems I described above, the video quality has been excellent. On a high resolution screen such as the NeXTdimension's, it is very easy to create an image that looks just great, but will look terrible when encoded to NTSC. Reasons for this include the interlace, color encoding, and limited frequency response of the NTSC and PAL standards. Some very basic rules of thumb for creating images that will encode well: 1) Don't use single pixel wide horizontal lines. 2) Avoid the use of fully saturated colors. 3) For practical purposes, the luma (Black/White) bandwidth of NTSC is about 4 Mhz. Simply stated, alternating black and white single pixel wide vertical lines will end up as a grey mush. 4) The chroma (color) bandwidth of NTSC is 3Mhz at most. Small color features (less than a few pixels horizontally) will tend to disappear or cause unpleasant artifacts. Let me emphasize that these rules of thumb relect limitations of the NTSC television standard, not the ND hardware. The NTSC encoder on the ND is pretty good, but as a result of deliberate cost and board space tradeoffs it is not "broadcast" quality. (Go check the cost of a broadcast quality encoder.) If you want the best possible NTSC image, get a professional RGB -> NTSC encoder and drive it from the RGB video output. =============================================================================== Rob Harrap ========== =========== ____________ Dept. Geological Sciences [ mono:) ] [ 32b :) ] | | Queen's University [ ] [ ] | ==== | Kingston, Ont. [ ]---~- [ ]------| ---- | Canada K7L-3N6 ========== =========== |____+_____| Harrapr@qucdn.queensu.ca @======@ #=====#
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:06:00 EST From: <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93026.190600HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXTDimension Users List I'm interested in making a list of people on the net who use the NeXTDimension board. The idea is to start a regular newsletter aimed at those of us who use the ND. Topics would include video, RenderMan, peripherals (encoders etc.), neat apps etc. and would basically be a bunch of long letters / short articles in a common format. I would be willing to take ascii input (I don't have NeXTMail ;) ) and turn it into formatted PS files, likely about 4 issues a year, and place it on Sonata etc. If it turned out that non-Net people wanted copies I could arrange something. If you think this is a good idea, send your name, system configuration, and what you use the NeXTDimension for, to me. Rob Harrap Dept. Geological Sciences Queen's University Kingston, Ont. Harrapr@qucdn.queensu.ca
From: darenp@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daren Patel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Can a Station live without an internal drive? Date: 27 Jan 1993 00:50:34 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Message-ID: <1k4m8qINN2oo@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1993Jan25.230703.25813@cs.wm.edu> In article <1993Jan25.230703.25813@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: > >I am also thinking to pull out the original 250 and sell it on the >net to recoup some cash, but, for variuos reasons, I would like to >keep the Fujitsu in the external enclosure, not in the the Station. Yes, you can do this. Here's what you need to do: (1) Set up the external drive and make sure you're booting from this drive. (2) Take out the internal drive and put the cables, screws, etc. in a safe place where you can find them if you need them later. (3) Now, you'll need a SCSI ribbon cable like the one that was in there originally. Cut one end off of this cable and put a fifty-pin Centronics SCSI connector on the cut end. (4) Buy a Macintosh SCSI terminator and attach it to the Centronics connector on the SCSI ribbon cable. (5) Now, attach the female fifty-pin end of the SCSI ribbon cable to the double row SCSI pins on the mother board. You can tape this down to the empty space when the internal drive used to be. This worked for me, but I can't guaranty the results for anybody else. Your machine should boot from the external drive now without any problems. I also hear that you can buy an internal SCSI terminator so you don't need the contraption described above, but I was unable to find anyone that sold them. Hope it works for you... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daren Patel -- darenp@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu -- The University of Texas at Austin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp) Subject: Re: Can a Station live without an internal drive? References: <1993Jan25.230703.25813@cs.wm.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:41:05 GMT Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn Message-ID: <1993Jan26.224105.19275@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: >keep the Fujitsu in the external enclosure, not in the the Station. >Is this possible? Reasonable? Advisable? Yes, null problemo. -- Heiko W.Rupp Gerwigstr.5 7500 Kh'e 1 hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org +49 721 693642 As the poet said, "Only God can make a tree" -- probably because it's so hard to figure out how to get the bark on. -- Woody Allen
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Source for SIMMs Sought Message-ID: <1993Jan27.061613.15723@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jan26.205824.3547@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:16:13 GMT In article <1993Jan26.205824.3547@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> keith@iscp.bellcore.com (Keith Hawkins) writes: > > Can someone recommend a vendor for 30-pin, > low-profile, vertically mounted SIMMs > for my '040 Cube? I need to find current > prices and sources. The FAQ info seems to > be a half a year old. No, it's about two weeks old. You must have an out of date copy... -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: SIMM expansion questions Message-ID: <1993Jan27.061458.15641@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jan26.204038.3281@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:14:58 GMT In article <1993Jan26.204038.3281@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> keith@iscp.bellcore.com (Keith Hawkins) writes: > > 1) After reading the FAQ, I understand that SIMMs must > be added in sets of 4. > > Does this mean a set of 4 identical capacity SIMMs? > Like can I add 2 1MB SIMMs and 2 4MB SIMMs to > make a set of four? (My guess is NO, the must all > be of the same capacity.) Your guess is correct! > 2) Can I buy a set of 4 4MB SIMMs and add them > to slots 8-11? Or should I add them in slots > 0-3 and move the 1MB SIMMS currently in those > slots to slots 8-11? Does it matter?? Doesn't matter. > 3) Is the FAQ current with regard to vendors > selling the appropriate types of SIMMS that > work on the 68040 board?? Any other places to try?? Yes! -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> Subject: Turbo SIMMs Message-ID: <1993Jan27.090903.6283@proponent.com> Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Proponent Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:09:03 GMT Are there any other vendors that use the same SIMMs as the NeXT Turbo in their machines? The NeXT Turbo seems to require SIMMs of an unusual configuration. Thanks. -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
From: delingma@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca (Dan Lingman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Stylewriter <->Next - How to do it (Data on stylewriter formatting wanted) Keywords: Stylewriter Next Data formats Message-ID: <759@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca> Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:49:47 GMT Followup-To: poster Organization: Lakehead University; Thunder Bay, Ont Hi. I have a Mac SE at home, and have the temporary use of a NeXT for my thesis work. I also have a stylewriter (I) and would like to connect it to the NeXT. Can anyone out there give me some specs on what the stylewriter is expecting to come from the computer, as well as what type of signals it sends back? (Things like a signal for beginning of page, beginning of stripe, stripe width and height), how to tell it what resolution etc etc. I would buy a printer to hook to the next, but I really can't justify that for a machine that I will be giving back in four months. Thanks for your help. Dan Lingman delingma@thunder.lakeheadu.ca
From: pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: My NeXTstation has gone mute... Message-ID: <11402@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Date: 26 Jan 93 21:47:13 GMT Sender: usenet@vtserf.cc.vt.edu Does this sound like a hardware problem? Suddenly, my NeXTstation (mono, 25MHz, running 2.1) won't make a sound. The "Mute" button beside the Volume slider under Display Preferences is clicked on, and I can't click it back off. That is, it goes off while I'm holding down the mouse button, but comes back on when I let go. Command-mute does nothing. I've tried "dsptest", and all the tests "win". "dspbeep" says: > > oops! > > dspbeep: could not init dsp > *** Aborting > ^C Does this verify a hardware problem? Is there anything else I should try? Thanks, -Patrick Robinson Extension Information Systems, Virginia Tech pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: (slugg jello) Subject: NeXT Printer Lubrication Message-ID: <1993Jan26.162547.810@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:25:47 GMT Anybody know whether there exist instructions for lubricating the NeXT Printer? Mine is wheezing and squeeking like its very dry. Thanks. -- Doug Kent slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Subject: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:07:33 GMT As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system will cost. I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list of the best prices. My idea of an entry Developers System is as follows: 33Mhz. 486DX 16 MB RAM 500 MB HD accelerated localbus video (I dont know how much VRAM is needed to achieve 16 bit color) 17" color display I planned to list retailers but I forgot to bring the info so i'll post that later. In the current issue of PC WORLD they review a 17" color monitor by Acer (I'll have to check on that name) that they compared to a NEC 5FG and had a street price of $999. 500MB Hard Drives seem to be about $1000. I've seen 4MB 70ns simms recently for $116 which means $464 for 16MB. I haven't checked motherboaards as recently but in Dec. I saw 33Mhz. 486DX VL-BUS boards for ~$1000 (w/o video). I have no idea what an accelerated Local Bus video card goes for. My personal goal is $3000 for the hardware. I know there are alot of other things that can go in a system but I fealt that this system would get you developing and you wouldn't have to throw out things when you got the rest later (i.e. move from 15"-17" display = throw away a 15" display) Now as long as NeXT doesn't price us all out of development (esp. students) we could be in business. Please post your best prices!!! -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cmumford@iat.holonet.net (Chris Mumford) Subject: Deskwriter C & NeXT Message-ID: <C1Jp7v.91F@iat.holonet.net> Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:47:54 GMT Is there some driver out there that will allow me to use my Deskwriter C with my NeXTStation? Or do I have to get another printer?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gtoews@sirius.UVic.CA (Greg Toews) Subject: HP DeskJet PORTABLE Message-ID: <1993Jan27.213149.7193@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:31:49 GMT Has anyone tried the new HP Deskjet Portable? Will it work with the djf driver for the HP 500? Is the output quality the same? Are there any significant differences between the two? I've only seen advertisements. It looks like a nice small printer, plus its black... Also, if I wanted to test out an HP deskjet, I would need a printer file on disk to take to the store. (Normally I take a postscript file to school and copy it to a laser printer there) Obviously, a postscript file on disk will not help. Will the save button on the print panel save an HP format file if the djf driver is installed and selected? If not, how do I do this? Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: chienhua@simplex.ecn.purdue.edu (Chien-Hua Hsiao) Subject: Which machine can use these simms Message-ID: <1993Jan28.000233.6159@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> Sender: news@noose.ecn.purdue.edu (USENET news) Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network References: <1993Jan26.162547.810@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:02:33 GMT Please help me to identify which machine can use following simms. +---------------------------------+ | +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ | ||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||| +----------------^----------------+ | | 32 pins 32 pins These simms have 8 chips on it. The code on the chip is AAA1M300J-08 NMBS 9130 Are the simms 1Mx8-80NS. Thanks in advance. Please e-mail me. Chien-Hua Hsiao chienhua@ecn.purdue.edu
From: mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <108572@bu.edu> Date: 28 Jan 93 00:34:38 GMT References: <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@bu.edu Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA In article <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: >As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I >have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system >will cost. I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good >prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list >of the best prices. > >My idea of an entry Developers System is as follows: > 33Mhz. 486DX > 16 MB RAM > 500 MB HD > accelerated localbus video (I dont know how much VRAM is needed > to achieve 16 bit color) > 17" color display > Well, how about the current Gateway Systems : 486DX2-66 256k cache 16 megs ram (additional $320 or so) 2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400) ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) 17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700) both floppies mouse, windows, etc. ------------------------ $4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118) $ 95 shipping (natch) This is a system I'm thinking about getting now, and I sure hope it will be able to run NeXTstep in the coming year. Oh yeah, add $500 for NextStep 486. -=Simms=-
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Date: 28 Jan 1993 05:24:54 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Message-ID: <1k7qn7INNhl@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> <108572@bu.edu> >In article <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: >As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I >have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system >will cost. I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good >prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list >of the best prices. I cought an ad in a recent Byte magazine for MicroTech systems and had them send me some literature. This one caught my eye... 486DX2-66, 256K cache, 8Megs ram (expandable to 64), 248Mb HD seven 32bit EISA slots, one 32bit EISA/Local Bus slot 3.5 and 5.25 drive in mid sized tower case 14" SVGA non-interlaced .28dp monitor Mylex GLE911 EISA graphics controller (1280x960x16 or 1024x768x256) $4275 base. I'd like a 16" monitor and more RAM and HD but it sounds like a decent system and it is all black... case, monitor, and keyboard... so I won't feel too bad about it. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Currier | Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | "This is the best darn mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | Pizza-in-a-Cup I have alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu (NeXTmail only) | ever tasted!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: markl@ifr.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de (Albert Markl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Monitor on/off Date: 28 Jan 1993 08:49:29 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <1k86mpINNh74@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> We have about 15 NeXT at our institute. For the nightly backups and to keep NFS happy they're running continously (well, almost... :-). Unfortunately the monitors are running too. This is a waste of energy and probably shortens the life of the HW. Is there a possibility to switch them off? In fact there is a pin called (MON) PWR SWITCH (6 for Monochrome, 2 for Color station plugs), but I could not get any info about using it. So, is there anyone out there who knows a bit about this thing? Or is there even a screen saver that earns its name? Please e-mail any answers to me directly since I didn't subscribe to this news-group, I will post a summary. Thanks in advance Al Markl@ifr.luftfahrt.uni-stuttgart.de NeXT Mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bvrotney@ADS.COM (Bill Vrotney) Subject: Disk media longevity Message-ID: <1993Jan28.084049.3595@ads.com> Sender: usenet@ads.com (USENET News) Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mtn. View, CA (415) 960-7300 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:40:49 GMT I am planning on purchasing a backup removable disk media for my NeXT and I was wondering which media has a longer life: optical or magnetic. I was told by some that optical media has a shelf life of around 10 to 15 years after which it may start losing bits. I was told by one disk distributor that optical has a longer shelf life than magnetic. But then I was told the exact opposite by another. Does anyone have any info confirming which has a longer shelf life? -- Bill Vrotney BAH/Advanced Decision Systems
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mariusk@Lise.Unit.NO (Marius Kjeldahl) Subject: Regarding NS486 Message-ID: <1993Jan28.100516.8054@ugle.unit.no> Sender: news@ugle.unit.no (NetNews Administrator) Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 10:05:16 GMT Well, I've got a system the ones described, but I am not able to get any info at all (eg. betatest or final release). I've requested betatester info to a mail address that was posted by NeXT, but I have not gotten any reply. Has anybody got some info, or sources where I can get such information? Marius
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Quantum PD 1050S (not PD1225S) Message-ID: <1993Jan26.220153.3408@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:01:53 GMT Yesterday I posted looking for info on a Quantum disk drive, but I got the model number wrong. The real number is PD-1050S not PD-1225S. So if you happen to know anything about this drive, please email and I will summarize. Thanks and sorry for the confusion. -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com (212) 513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: edmtl@taxus.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: ZyXEL source in NY city? Message-ID: <1993Jan28.141317.22138@alf.uib.no> Sender: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 14:13:17 GMT I need to know (quickly!) a source for the ZyXEL Fax/modem everyone is so pleased with in NY city (a friend is going there early NeXT week :-) Also the complete model name (ZyXEL U1496e, I think?) Could someone please email adress(es) of store(s) which carry/sell this fax/modem, and about what the usual price is. Lastly - will power be a problem, or is it a plug which can take 9 or 12 volts DC from any standard (i.e. US/European) adapter??? -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors NORWAY | <edmtl@fiol.uib.no> NeXTmail -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Jan28.153310.21428@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:33:10 GMT In article <108572@bu.edu>, mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) wrote: > > Well, how about the current Gateway Systems : > > 486DX2-66 > 256k cache > 16 megs ram (additional $320 or so) > 2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400) > ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) > 17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700) > both floppies > mouse, windows, etc. > ------------------------ > $4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118) > $ 95 shipping (natch) > > This is a system I'm thinking about getting now, and I sure hope >it will be able to run NeXTstep in the coming year. Oh yeah, add $500 for >NextStep 486. > Well, before you run out and buy a 486, I suggest you wait until NeXT clarifies the HW issues. The release of a _detailed_ HW compatibility guide is imminent according to NeXT. This should clear up confusion, especially regarding the video cards and VRAM amounts needed for 16-bit color. Oh yeah, the developer's edition according to the last official info I've seen is $2495 ($995 for runtime edition). We all hope NeXT is _just kidding_. If they price it that high, then it's gonna be _very_ hard to convince my boss that we need (and can afford) NeXTSTEP. NeXTSTEP 486 should be priced at $495 for the runtime edition, and $995 ($1495 absolute tops) for the developer's edition. Otherwise the market _will_ opt for NT (or SCO if they want UNIX) without a second look at NeXTSTEP. You already have to have a loaded PC (memory, video, HD) to run it -- charging 995/2495 would be suicide. Michael McCulloch
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:32:54 EST From: <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93028.113254HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Fujitsu 2622FA 330 Meg SCSI I picked up one of these drives and would like to install it in my cube. I recall hearing that there are problems installing Fujitsu's - and that info is needed to do it properly. Could someone who has installed this drive (which I understand is very common) send me details? Thanks in advance. Rob Harrap Dept. Geological Sciences Queen's University Kingston, Ont. Harrapr@qucdn.queensu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Jan28.210940.7494@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jan28.153310.21428@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:09:40 GMT In article <1993Jan28.153310.21428@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: > Oh yeah, the developer's edition according to the last official info I've > seen is $2495 ($995 for runtime edition). We all hope NeXT is _just kidding_. > If they price it that high, then it's gonna be _very_ hard to convince my > boss that we need (and can afford) NeXTSTEP. > > NeXTSTEP 486 should be priced at $495 for the runtime edition, and $995 > ($1495 absolute tops) for the developer's edition. Otherwise the market > _will_ opt for NT (or SCO if they want UNIX) without a second look at > NeXTSTEP. You already have to have a loaded PC (memory, video, HD) to > run it -- charging 995/2495 would be suicide. Charging 995/2495 would hardly be suicide, it would be entirely in line with the cost of competing unix systems for PCs. However, one hopes that NeXT will indeed lower the user version to $500 to attempt a cross-over into the Windows NT and OS/2 market. I doubt NeXT could go much lower than that to try to grab Windows users, for example. As for the developers price, I don't have as much a problem with that costing more if it allows the user price to be lower. Summary: we want NeXT for be *wildly*, not just incrementally, successful, so let's hope a $500 user version price translates into mega sales. -- Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu
From: the lost cause Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: mouse buttons Date: 28 Jan 1993 20:34:10 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Distribution: world Message-ID: <1k9g02INN14d@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> For those who have need of a new button in their mouse, and don't want to pay for the whole mouse when it is only the button that has gone bad, we have recently discovered a satisfactory replacement for the Omron switch. It is in the Digikey catalog, # 931, Jan-Feb 1993, page 141, under Cherry switches D4, DG, and DH series. Digikey part # CH164-ND, Cherry part # DG1C-B1AA. We ordered one of these, and just received it today. Tried it out, and it sems to be working flawlessly so far. -- ************************************************************************ the Lost Cause jdavidso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (hardwaire guy extraordinaire) MACTech,NeXTtech; NeXTmail accepted "Everything is relative." ************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: mckenney@cims.nyu.edu (Alan M. McKenney) Subject: Trying to connect a modem Message-ID: <C1KzoB.2tA@cmcl2.nyu.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Originator: mckenney@gauss.cims.nyu.edu Sender: notes@cmcl2.nyu.edu (Notes Person) Organization: Courant Institute, New York University Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:31:21 GMT I am posting for a colleague who has a NeXT computer, but isn't able to post. He has a NeXT computer that he bought from someone. He doesn't know a lot about Unix or computers. The computer has revision 3.0 of the operating system. His problem: he would like to connect to the NYU computer system via modem, but he doesn't know what is involved. He says he tried to connect a Hayes 1200 baud modem to the serial port, but the system somehow couldn't find the modem. The NeXT documentation is apparently pretty limited on the subject. So, two questions: (1) can any standard modem (i.e., PC-compatible) be used on a NeXT computer? (2) what hardware and software work needs to be done to allow him to actually use the computer? He mainly wants to read E-mail from home, but I suppose eventually he will want to do the same things that most PC users want to do: upload & download files, etc. (By the way, I have been looking through the Sun documentation, and find that I have no idea how I would connect and use a modem on my SPARCstation, either.) I suspect that this is a question from the FAQ, only I haven't found the FAQ yet. So please send E-mail info to: mckenney@cims.nyu.edu. If there is interest, I will summarize for the net. (Also tell me which newsgroup is more appropriate for this question.) -- Alan McKenney E-mail: mckenney@cims.nyu.edu (INTERNET) Courant Institute,NYU,USA ...!cmcl2!cims.nyu.edu!mckenney (UUCP)
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Which machine can use these simms Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:58:18 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1k9acaINNo6i@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993Jan28.000233.6159@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> In article <1993Jan28.000233.6159@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> chienhua@simplex.ecn.purdue.edu (Chien-Hua Hsiao) writes: # #Please help me to identify which machine can use following simms. # #+---------------------------------+ #| +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ | #| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | #| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | #| +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ +-+ | #||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||| #+----------------^----------------+ # | | # 32 pins 32 pins # #These simms have 8 chips on it. The code on the chip is AAA1M300J-08 # NMBS 9130 #Are the simms 1Mx8-80NS. # #Thanks in advance. Please e-mail me. # # #Chien-Hua Hsiao #chienhua@ecn.purdue.edu Theses seem to be 64pin SIMMS that can be used in the Mac IIfx (I was told by a Mac dealer the other day that the fx simms need to have a notch in the center...) -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Jan28.221240.4412@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> <108572@bu.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:12:40 GMT In article <108572@bu.edu> mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) writes: > Well, how about the current Gateway Systems : > > 486DX2-66 > 256k cache All 486's have a 256k data and instruction cache, don't they? > 16 megs ram (additional $320 or so) > 2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400) Screw IDE, get SCSI or pref. SCSI II. IDE sucks. > ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) > 17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700) > both floppies > mouse, windows, etc. > ------------------------ > $4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118) Well, it's color and faster. But you still need an OS, and dev. tools. NS486 + all the tools will pump up this price quite a bit. You also need ethernet, or ANY networking stuff for that matter. Plus something besides the lame PC sound capabilities, preferably with a DSP. All this will pump the price to over $6k. Less if you don't plan to develop software or hook it up to any kind of network. For considerably less than this you can get a used color turbo slab with more memory. Or a new one on student discount. Plus software that comes with it. Then it's just a matter of CPU speed, the 486 system will probably run about 1.5 times the speed of the color slab at most. -Howard -- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Howard Berkey howard@netcom.com What? ME a megalomaniac? In your DREAMS, monkey-man! ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ... ... .. ...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: simmons@rigel.neep.wisc.edu (Kim Simmons) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin,Madison., NEEP Department Date: 28 Jan 93 17:19:31 Message-ID: <SIMMONS.93Jan28171931@rigel.neep.wisc.edu> References: <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> In-reply-to: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:07:33 GMT >>>>> ">" == Rothstein <mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu> writes: >> As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I >> have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system >> will cost. I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good >> prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list >> of the best prices. >> My idea of an entry Developers System is as follows: >> 33Mhz. 486DX >> 16 MB RAM >> 500 MB HD >> accelerated localbus video (I dont know how much VRAM is needed >> to achieve 16 bit color) >> 17" color display >> I planned to list retailers but I forgot to bring the info so i'll post >> that later. In the current issue of PC WORLD they review a 17" color >> monitor by Acer (I'll have to check on that name) that they compared to a >> NEC 5FG and had a street price of $999. 500MB Hard Drives seem to be >> about $1000. I've seen 4MB 70ns simms recently for $116 which means $464 >> for 16MB. I haven't checked motherboaards as recently but in Dec. I saw >> 33Mhz. 486DX VL-BUS boards for ~$1000 (w/o video). I have no idea what an >> accelerated Local Bus video card goes for. >> My personal goal is $3000 for the hardware. I know there are alot of >> other things that can go in a system but I fealt that this system would >> get you developing and you wouldn't have to throw out things when you got >> the rest later (i.e. move from 15"-17" display = throw away a 15" display) >> Now as long as NeXT doesn't price us all out of development (esp. >> students) we could be in business. >> Please post your best prices!!! >> -- >> -Mont >> NeXTmail OK :-) >> President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group) >> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu I'll bet you $20. that NeXT does price us (students) out of development. -- =============================================================================== Second star to the right, and straight on till morning... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet: simmons@rigel.neep.wisc.edu ===============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu (Craig Pratt) Subject: SCSI cable needed - help! Message-ID: <1993Jan29.005153.13901@coe.montana.edu> Summary: db50 to db25 SCSI (Mac/Amiga style) Keywords: SCSI Sender: usenet@coe.montana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:51:53 GMT I picked up a 40MB drive, power supply and case from a friend to use as a swap drive. But, I need a cable. The case is wired with a 25-pin female port (db25, I guess). It was used on an Amiga but is supposedly identical to a Mac external SCSI drive. I have a NS Turbo Color. Where's the best place to get one of these beasts? Thanks. -- Craig Pratt pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu Montana State University, Bozeman MT gcp1070@msu.oscs.montana.edu "I hope if dogs ever take over the world, and they chose a king, they don't just go by size, because I bet there are some Chihuahuas with some good ideas."
From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SCSI Disconnect Message-ID: <3022@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> Date: 29 Jan 93 01:39:58 GMT Organization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA Does NeXT implement disconnect/reconnect on their SCSI bus? I was playing with my 030 cube yesterday, moving junk from QIC tape to OD and HD, and whenever the tape opened or rewound the whole machine came to a screeching halt. Uncool. Even our old junk does disconnect/reconnect. -- +----------------+ ! II CCCCCC ! Jim Cathey ! II SSSSCC ! ISC-Bunker Ramo ! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220 ! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com) ! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757 +----------------+ One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them. One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dboyes@is.rice.edu (David E Boyes) Subject: Fujitsu M2624FA and "SCSI unexpected msg: 1" Message-ID: <C1LBrx.9Kz@rice.edu> Sender: news@rice.edu (News) Organization: Rice University Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:52:44 GMT I'm installing a Fujitsu M2624FA in a early 030 cube and I'm having a bit of trouble getting the cube to boot from the SCSI disk. I built the disk from the 2.1 OD and it appeared to build without any errors (I built /dev/rsd0a and it seemed to work. I can't find any information on the NeXT monitor error messages in the documentation I have available -- does anyone a) know what this message means, and b) what I need to do to correct it? E-mail answers would be a plus, as I need the information relatively rapidly and I'm a bit behind in my news (as well as being 2000 miles from my home machine). Thanks in advance. -- David Boyes In the event I am captured or killed, Rice University dboyes@rice.edu and the Office of Networking and Computing Systems will deny any knowledge of my opinions.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rfg@swamp01.cacs.usl.edu (Raymond F. Gasser) Subject: Re: My NeXTstation has gone mute... Message-ID: <1993Jan29.021252.12828@usl.edu> Sender: anon@usl.edu (Anonymous NNTP Posting) Organization: The Center for Advanced Computer Studies References: <11402@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 02:12:52 GMT I had a similar problem with my NeXT (Color Turbo) going mute. I had started to upgrade to NeXTstep 3.0 by using the installer floppy diskette included with the upgrade package. Because of problems with my cd drive, I was unable to complete the upgrade. After this attempt at upgrading, my NeXT would no longer produce any sounds; the mute button seemed stuck. After further examination I realized that the floppy disk used for initial upgrade procedure had installed the 3.0 Mach kernel. The 3.0 kernel does not seem to be able to load the 2.1 sound driver. After later completing the upgrade with a better cd drive, the problem has disapeared. This might or might not be your problem. Ray Gasser rfg@swamp.cacs.usl.edu Cajun Man
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:55:25 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan28.205525.19410@cyantic.com> References: <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> <108572@bu.edu> In article <108572@bu.edu> mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) writes: >In article <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: >>As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I >>have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system >>will cost. I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good >>prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list >>of the best prices. >> >>My idea of an entry Developers System is as follows: >> 33Mhz. 486DX >> 16 MB RAM >> 500 MB HD >> accelerated localbus video (I dont know how much VRAM is needed >> to achieve 16 bit color) >> 17" color display >> > > Well, how about the current Gateway Systems : > > 486DX2-66 > 256k cache > 16 megs ram (additional $320 or so) > 2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400) > ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) > 17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700) > both floppies > mouse, windows, etc. > ------------------------ > $4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118) Let's not lose perspective. There is no Ethernet, no DSP, no SCSI, and no sound system in this configuration. Someone create a feature table with a price column before too many of these comparisons hit the wires. -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Jan29.051941.3782@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio References: <1993Jan28.205525.19410@cyantic.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 05:19:41 GMT In article <1993Jan28.205525.19410@cyantic.com> mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) writes: > In article <108572@bu.edu> mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) writes: > >In article <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes: > >>As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I > >>have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system > >>will cost. I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good > >>prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list > >>of the best prices. stuff deleted > > > > Well, how about the current Gateway Systems : > > > > 486DX2-66 > > 256k cache > > 16 megs ram (additional $320 or so) > > 2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400) > > ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) > > 17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700) > > both floppies > > mouse, windows, etc. > > ------------------------ > > $4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118) > > Let's not lose perspective. There is no Ethernet, no DSP, no SCSI, and no > sound system in this configuration. Someone create a feature table with a > price column before too many of these comparisons hit the wires. > -- stuff deleted Why don't you also include the $2,500 it is supposed to cost for NS486, which brings the total up to about $7,000. A color machine can be had for that much. Dan
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: SCSI Disconnect Date: 29 Jan 1993 07:02:51 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <1kakqrINNav8@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <3022@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) writes: >Does NeXT implement disconnect/reconnect on their SCSI bus? I was >playing with my 030 cube yesterday, moving junk from QIC tape to OD and >HD, and whenever the tape opened or rewound the whole machine came to a >screeching halt. Uncool. Even our old junk does disconnect/reconnect. Well, it seems to. At least when give a print command to the printer I've got connected via SCSI. The print command doesn't return until the printer is done, however the machine swaps just fine in the meantime :-) Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kira.uucp!death@netcom.com (David John Burrowes) Subject: wanted: info about cube route floppy drives Message-ID: <1993Jan28.064153.3281@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: death@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:41:53 GMT Anyone have experience, good or bad, with the 2.88meg external drives from the Cube Route? Thanks! \david john burrowes death@kira.net.netcom.com
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Fujitsu M2624FA and "SCSI unexpected msg: 1" Date: 29 Jan 1993 08:05:55 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <1kaoh3INNqk1@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <C1LBrx.9Kz@rice.edu> In article <C1LBrx.9Kz@rice.edu> dboyes@is.rice.edu (David E Boyes) writes: >I'm installing a Fujitsu M2624FA in a early 030 cube and I'm >having a bit of trouble getting the cube to boot from the SCSI >disk. I built the disk from the 2.1 OD and it appeared to build >without any errors (I built /dev/rsd0a and it seemed to work. > I had similar problems installing my M2622SA (330Mb). Just a hint: When you have your drive with the circuit board facing up, and the power connector is on the upper left hand side, examine jumper block CNH1. Note that in this orientation, the jumpers read 24 to 1 (reading left to right). I misread this order. My drive low-level formatted, BuildDisk'ed, etc with no prob. It just wouldn't boot. Did you do this? RWW. -- Robert W. "What!?! I've-been-tying-my-shoelaces-backwards-all-my-life?" Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: miron@extropia.wimsey.bc.ca (Miron Cuperman) Subject: Re: 128 MByte Optical Drives and NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Jan29.110119.1846@extropia.wimsey.bc.ca> Organization: Immortal Freedom's Deck References: <1993Jan15.125044.14808@linus.mitre.org> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 11:01:19 GMT wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes: > Does anyone have an experience in connecting a 128 MByte R/W optical > to a NeXT? Can we expect that SCSI versions of these devices will > work without problems? The La-Cie optical drive needed a disktab to work properly, and it gives some (benign) "BUSY" kernel errors when a disk is inserted. Here is the disktab that I use: MATSHITALF-3000-512:\ :ty=removable_rw_scsi:nc#1295:nt#8:ns#12:ss#512:rm#3000:\ :fp#320:bp#0:ng#0:gs#0:ga#0:ao#0:\ :os=sdmach:z0#64:z1#192:ro=a:\ :pa#0:sa#248506:ba#8192:fa#1024:ca#30:da#4096:ra#5:oa=time:\ :ia:ta=4.3BSD:aa: It's probably far from optimal. I patched my kernel to stop the BUSY errors from being printed. -- Miron Cuperman <miron@extropia.wimsey.com> | NeXTmail/Mime ok <miron@cs.sfu.ca> | Public key avail AMIX: MCuperman | cyberspacecomputingcryptoimmortalitynetworkslaissezfaire
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mariusk@Lise.Unit.NO (Marius Kjeldahl) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Jan29.134231.28629@ugle.unit.no> Sender: news@ugle.unit.no (NetNews Administrator) Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology References: <1993Jan28.153310.21428@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1993Jan28.210940.7494@cs.yale.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 13:42:31 GMT Well, as a student in CS working hard to keeping in pace with lots of OSs from the developers side, the prices mentioned would certainly leave me from even considering buying a NeXTSTEP 486 developers kit. Yeah, I've heard it before, it's not that expensive compared to other Unix developers platforms, but then again the only one I'm experienced in is Linux with GCC and those are for FREE! Since they've made a point in the beginning making the NeXT the new student machines, maybe they'll considering giving special discounts for students. But then again when I get a job after finishing my thesis maybe I'll get somebody else to pay.. Just my $.02
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: shawn@monitor.com Subject: NS'486 Pricing (was Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest) Message-ID: <C1MAK2.3E1@monitor.com> Sender: shawn@monitor.com (Shawn Broderick) Organization: Monitor Company / IE References: <1993Jan28.210940.7494@cs.yale.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 13:24:01 GMT Followups to c.s.n.advocacy, please. Also, please take a moment to shake off the reality distortion field that is currently surrounding many of you out there on the net. Nathan F. Janette writes [stuff deleted] >Charging 995/2495 would hardly be suicide, it would be entirely in line >with the cost of competing unix systems for PCs. However, one hopes that >NeXT will indeed lower the user version to $500 to attempt a cross-over >into the Windows NT and OS/2 market. I doubt NeXT could go much lower than >that to try to grab Windows users, for example. As for the developers >price, I don't have as much a problem with that costing more if it allows >the user price to be lower. > >Summary: we want NeXT for be *wildly*, not just incrementally, successful, >so let's hope a $500 user version price translates into mega sales. > Well, I know I should always let my blood pressure go down before I post, but hey, it's still early and I haven't had my coffee yet. About a year ago (I hope NS'486 ships _someday_ so these discussions will stop) I flamed on about this pricing structure, and I still stand by it. 995/2495 is a JOKE. Who cares what SCO or Univel or SunSoft price their trash at? Hasn't anyone noticed lately that the ENTIRE computer hw and sw markets are price sensitive (hey, did anyone catch the $5B loss IBM took last year), and this is only one hurdle NS'486 has to get over? We all want NS'486 to be "*wildly*" successful, heck some of us have bet mortgages and careers on it. However, this pricing structure is downright silly. NeXT is not a recognized name in 90% of the Fortune 1000 companies. NeXT does not advertise. NeXT does not have enough sales people. NeXT does not support their sales staff adequately. Microsoft has 100000% recognition by every Fortune 1000000000 company. Microsoft advertises their butts off. Microsoft has plenty of sales people and plenty of sales channels, and can support them. NT will NOT cost 995/2495. Microsoft wants NT to become "*wildly*" successful. NeXT wants NS'486 to become "*wildly*" successful. Do the math on this one, folks. The best technology does not necessarily win. Better technology by orders of magnitude does not necessarily win. How is NeXT going to differentiate themselves? They have better technology overall, but without a GARGANTUAN investment in advertising and personnell (sales and support) they won't be able to get that word out. Competing on cost is a pretty straightforward option. Additionally, time to market is going to have a bit of impact here (that sentence is *dripping* with gallons of sarcasm). Unless NeXT does something radically off of the path they are currently following then NT wins on all of those counts. Without the guts, money, pricing, and hunger, NeXT is not going to be able to stave off the NT rush. Microsoft is basically GIVING (did everyone see that word there "GIVING" - it means no money, or in this case next to no money) NT away in a beta state to developers. You don't even need to be a developer to get it (a friend of mine called up and said "I want NT" they said "are you a developer" he said "No, but I heard NT is *really* cool" and they said "oh, okay, then that'll be $50"). NeXT has only given beta's out to a very few select developers. NT will be significantly cheaper (I don't know numbers, but I know that BillG has his head on the right planet, so he'll DO THE RIGHT THING). NT will run on more platforms. NT will have an impressive advertising and awareness campaign behind it. Unless NeXT does something REALLY impressive (and NS shipping on HP boxes Q194 is neat, but not a showstopper) then NT will win. Period. Who was it :-) that once said that competing against Microsoft is like banging your head against a wall? Apple was a $1B company competing against MS and it was non-trivial, and NeXT isn't even profitable (spare the replies, one quarter's profits does not a profitable company make). The person who started this thread used the word "suicidal", and I think it's a good word, but the future isn't quite that bleak. The good news is that NeXT will do okay riding the coattails of the interest and knowledge that the NT rush will create. SunSoft, Univel, and the others will do well too though.... also riding the coattails of Microsoft. I think Microsoft stinks. I think they haven't got a clue how to create a useful development environment. I think the Windows interface is lame. I think that DOS is a joke. I think that NT is a mediocre UNIX-like knock-off that brings zero new news to the OS marketplace. However, market share talks (VERY loudly) and company stability talks (also VERY loudly) and company profitability talks (loudly) and track records talk (VERY VERY loudly) and company focus talks (loudly). All of these things NeXT has problems with (some larger than others). The thing that makes me sad is that by Q3'93 when Microsoft has created this gigantic awareness of why people need, or could use a real OS, many of our clients are going to start demanding software on NT, and it'll make a NeXTSTEP sale so much harder (and it's non-trivial now!). All that said (yeah, I'm finally wrapping up), I hope I'm wrong. I hope NeXT does the right thing and I hope that I end up with 7 tons of egg on my face. That way the best technology will have scored a major victory (not a bad precedent); NeXT will have gotten a clue; and the entire software market could start to lift itself up out of the ridiculous mire of DOS and X and crappy character-based UNIX apps and start creating software for the next century. -- Shawn Broderick Monitor Company / Information Engineering Director, BCS NeXT shawn@monitor.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lupson@geom.umn.edu (Linus Upson) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <1993Jan29.051941.3782@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 17:58:53 GMT > Well, how about the current Gateway Systems : > > 486DX2-66 > 256k cache > 16 megs ram (additional $320 or so) > 2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400) > ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ > 17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700) > both floppies > mouse, windows, etc. > ------------------------ > $4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118) Everyone seems to be forgetting that 1024 * 768 * 2 = 1,572,864 bytes. The machine above can only do 2 bit gray (not to mention that even if it had the memory, most PC video cards are hard wired to only do color maps). You'll need a much more expensive video board if you want color, and even on a localbus you'll still get lower video performance than on a turbo station. Linus Upson lupson@geom.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Harold Brokaw <harold_brokaw@imagine.com> Subject: Re: Exception #2 on attempted boot Message-ID: <1993Jan29.195823.3818@imagine.com> Sender: hal@imagine.com Organization: Imagine Multimedia, Inc., Ann Arbor, MI, USA References: <C1910r.J7r@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 19:58:23 GMT In article <C1910r.J7r@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl> dimitri@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko) writes: > In article <1jnhkjINNg6b@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: > > > > > >A non-technical client across the country from me was using WordPerfect on > >Saturday when his system froze (don't think we can blame WordPerfect on this > >one :-) He says that he couldn't get anything to respond including the power > >key, so he pulled the plug. He tried to boot and was thrown into the ROM > >monitor with an "Exception #2" error message. I tried to help him reboot by > >having him manually enter various boot commands including booting from his 3.0 > >CD-ROM. Immediately after entering any boot command, the "Exception #2" error > >occurred. > > > >I assumed he had a hardware problem. He borrowed another NeXT and headed for > >his demos in another state. Upon returning today, he again tried to boot and > >everything seems normal! I still suspect a hardware problem, but knowing what > >"Exception #2" means might be a big clue. > > > >If anyone can shed any light on this, please let me know. > >-- > > > >Art Isbell Cubic Solutions > >NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting > >NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 > >USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515 > > Well, I'm not sure, but these are my experiences: > > 1) At one occasion, what I experienced was exactly the same as what Art > mentions above (except that WP was not involved). I could boot from CD, > though. The filesystem was OK. So I replaced the boot block > (please use extreme care while doing this!) and everything worked OK. > > 2) At another occasion, my system came to a halt with this series of > messages: > > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: 1667329652, <3>/: bad block > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block 1667329652, ino 84993 > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block 1652571184, <3>/: bad block > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block 1652571184, ino 84993 > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -32567613, <3>/: bad block > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -32567613, ino 84993 > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -2082471937, <3>/: bad block > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -2082471937, ino 84993 > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -134217729, <3>/: bad block > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -134217729, ino 84993 > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -32, <3>/: bad block > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -32, ino 84993 > Jan 19 01:33:36 dutiea mach: bad block -1987, <3>/: bad block > Jan 19 01:33:39 dutiea syslogd: going down on signal 15 > > No booting possible, of course. The filessystem was a pretty mess, > too. After manually fsck'ing still no boot. After replacing the kernel > (no message about corruptness od /sdmach given by fsck!) it booted, but > not immediately: an exception #2 arose. But after typing "b" the system > booted normally. Power-off, power-on - again exception #2. Very simple > explanation: in the process of trying everything I turned "boot > diagnostics" boot option on. Since there are no diagnostics to boot, the > boot process gives this exception. > > On both occasions, the only part of the system I could blame, is the > disk. Is there any possibility of checking the disk for bad blocks? Or > could it be the faulty internal SCSI connection? I feel rather > incomfortable with this. > > Has anybody experienced the same symptoms? > > Dimitri > +------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---+ > | Dimitri Tischenko | D.B.Tischenko@IS.TWI.TUDelft.NL | NeXTmail preferred! | > +---------------------------------------+--------------------------------- ---+ > | Delft University of Technology | Technische Universiteit Delft | > | Fac Applied Math & Computer Science | Fac. Techn. Wiskunde & Informatica | > | The Netherlands | Nederland | > +---------------------------------------+--------------------------------- ---+ We have one of our machines that on initial bootup comes up with exception #2. It will boot when issued the boot command from the prompt. We have found that any external SCSI devices hooked to this machine frequently have I/O errors. It seems to me that there is some sort of SCSI hardware error happening. Hal Brokaw hal@imagine.com
From: Alex Raftis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Jan29.201700.159651@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 29 Jan 93 20:17:00 GMT References: <1993Jan28.210940.7494@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Nathan F. Janette writes > >Charging 995/2495 would hardly be suicide, it would be entirely in line >with the cost of competing unix systems for PCs. However, one hopes that >NeXT will indeed lower the user version to $500 to attempt a cross-over >into the Windows NT and OS/2 market. I doubt NeXT could go much lower than >that to try to grab Windows users, for example. As for the developers >price, I don't have as much a problem with that costing more if it allows >the user price to be lower. > >Summary: we want NeXT for be *wildly*, not just incrementally, successful, >so let's hope a $500 user version price translates into mega sales. > I'd expect them to keep this price and then you'll see a street price of probably $200 lower for the run-time and probably about $500-700 lower for the Developer System. On top of that, you'll probably see some manufacturers, like Dell and Compac, selling NS486 as an option to their systems, which would probably bring the price down to around $500 for the run-time system, especially since bundles make life easy for NeXT, since they know that it will work, and will thus decrease the number of hardware problems encountered by users. Alex -- ______________________________________________________ Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: b-bohlmann@uiuc.edu (Brian Bohlmann) Subject: Re: SCSI Disconnect References: <3022@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> Message-ID: <C1My8p.DMD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 21:55:36 GMT In article <3022@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) writes: > Does NeXT implement disconnect/reconnect on their SCSI bus? I was > playing with my 030 cube yesterday, moving junk from QIC tape to OD and > HD, and whenever the tape opened or rewound the whole machine came to a > screeching halt. Uncool. Even our old junk does disconnect/reconnect. > > > > -- > +----------------+ > ! II CCCCCC ! Jim Cathey > ! II SSSSCC ! ISC-Bunker Ramo > ! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220 > ! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com) > ! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757 > +----------------+ > One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them. > One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind > them. In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie. -- NeXT "requires" any scsi device you attach to have the disconnect/reconnect feature. Info from NeXT. -- Brian Bohlmann University of Illinois, Champaign/Urbana Computing & Communications Services Office email: bohlmann@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu phone: 217-244-5409
From: mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <108843@bu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 93 05:38:53 GMT References: <1993Jan29.051941.3782@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@bu.edu Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA In article <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> lupson@geom.umn.edu (Linus Upson) writes: >> ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) > >Everyone seems to be forgetting that 1024 * 768 * 2 = 1,572,864 bytes. >The machine above can only do 2 bit gray (not to mention that even if it >had the memory, most PC video cards are hard wired to only do color maps). >You'll need a much more expensive video board if you want color, and even >on a localbus you'll still get lower video performance than on a turbo >station. Hmmm. Sorry, I disagree with your math. In a 256 color mode, you have 1 byte per pixel. Now at 1024x768 with 256 colors, you get 786,432 bytes, NOT 1,572,864. Now, if you wanted 16 bit color, then you would come out to the figure you mentioned. But the 1 meg card is NOT limited to 2bit gray at 1024x768. Also, I don't know why you think color maps are a bad idea. For instance, on a NeXT colorstation, you get 4 bits per color component, period. On a measly VGA system, you get 256 values per pixel which is an index into a color table. This color table has 256 entries, each of which consists of 6 bits of R,G and B. Now, that makes a total palette of 262,144 colors. I realize you can't display this much at once. However, in IBM hicolor mode (the equivalent of IBM 16bit color), you get a 16bit index into a palette of 5 bits of R,G, and B. So, you get an effective pallete size of 32,768 colors, which you can access and show at the same time in hicolor mode. This blows NeXT colorstation 4096 colors at-a-time away. In fact, 256 color VGA mode does a smoother color fade than a colorstation because of its color palette system. I've always been dissapointed with the NeXT colorstation's limited color implementation. Although, having an alpha channel is way cool for some things. Oh yeah, the card I mentioned above can be upgraded to 2megs of VRAM, for easy 24bit color at 800x600, and true 16 bit color at 1024x768. > >Linus Upson >lupson@geom.umn.edu -=Simms=-
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Date: 30 Jan 1993 17:46:36 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <1keetsINNk6f@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> lupson@geom.umn.edu (Linus Upson) writes: > > Well, how about the current Gateway Systems : > > > > 486DX2-66 > > 256k cache > > 16 megs ram (additional $320 or so) > > 2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400) > > ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) > ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ > > 17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700) > > both floppies > > mouse, windows, etc. > > ------------------------ > > $4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118) > > Everyone seems to be forgetting that 1024 * 768 * 2 = 1,572,864 bytes. > The machine above can only do 2 bit gray (not to mention that even if it > had the memory, most PC video cards are hard wired to only do color maps). > You'll need a much more expensive video board if you want color, and even > on a localbus you'll still get lower video performance than on a turbo > station. > > Linus Upson > lupson@geom.umn.edu Bzzzt. 1024 * 768 * 2 = 1,572,864 BITS The machine above does 1024x768x 256 colors (8-bit ) no problem With an additional MB of RAM on the Video board it'll do (16-bit) 64 Kcolors. By the way, we've just bought an 80486DX2-66 from Gateway for real time data acquisition (and hopeful intent of running NS486). It's a screamer. Nonetheless, I'd rather have a NextStation Turbo Color on my desk any day. Except for the awesome specs, the Gateway has lttle to offer. The case design and motherboard layout are horrible (only three of the eight expansion slots will accomadate full-length boards) The screen is washed out, and (most importantly) I've gotten no support from either Gateway or ATI to take advantage of the accelerated video capabilities. I warn all of you designing your dream NS486 systems that there is very little pride of craftsmanship in the price-driven PC-compatible market. ---------------------------------------------------------- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory MIT
From: qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS'486 Pricing (was Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest) Message-ID: <C1nr4J.1x5@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: 30 Jan 93 08:19:28 GMT References: <1993Jan28.210940.7494@cs.yale.edu> <C1MAK2.3E1@monitor.com> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH shawn@monitor.com writes: Unfortunately this sounds like whats going to happen. NS on a DEC Alpha priced at $3000-$5000, NS486 real cheap to developers and rapid proliferation to other hw platforms, might yet do the trick. Quabid >Followups to c.s.n.advocacy, please. >Also, please take a moment to shake off the reality distortion field that is >currently surrounding many of you out there on the net. >Nathan F. Janette writes >[stuff deleted] >>Charging 995/2495 would hardly be suicide, it would be entirely in line >>with the cost of competing unix systems for PCs. However, one hopes that >>NeXT will indeed lower the user version to $500 to attempt a cross-over >>into the Windows NT and OS/2 market. I doubt NeXT could go much lower than >>that to try to grab Windows users, for example. As for the developers >>price, I don't have as much a problem with that costing more if it allows >>the user price to be lower. >> >>Summary: we want NeXT for be *wildly*, not just incrementally, successful, >>so let's hope a $500 user version price translates into mega sales. >> >Well, I know I should always let my blood pressure go down before I post, but >hey, it's still early and I haven't had my coffee yet. About a year ago (I >hope NS'486 ships _someday_ so these discussions will stop) I flamed on about >this pricing structure, and I still stand by it. >995/2495 is a JOKE. Who cares what SCO or Univel or SunSoft price their trash >at? Hasn't anyone noticed lately that the ENTIRE computer hw and sw markets >are price sensitive (hey, did anyone catch the $5B loss IBM took last year), >and this is only one hurdle NS'486 has to get over? >We all want NS'486 to be "*wildly*" successful, heck some of us have bet >mortgages and careers on it. However, this pricing structure is downright >silly. >NeXT is not a recognized name in 90% of the Fortune 1000 companies. NeXT does >not advertise. NeXT does not have enough sales people. NeXT does not support >their sales staff adequately. >Microsoft has 100000% recognition by every Fortune 1000000000 company. >Microsoft advertises their butts off. Microsoft has plenty of sales people and >plenty of sales channels, and can support them. NT will NOT cost 995/2495. >Microsoft wants NT to become "*wildly*" successful. NeXT wants NS'486 to >become "*wildly*" successful. >Do the math on this one, folks. The best technology does not necessarily win. >Better technology by orders of magnitude does not necessarily win. >How is NeXT going to differentiate themselves? They have better technology >overall, but without a GARGANTUAN investment in advertising and personnell >(sales and support) they won't be able to get that word out. Competing on cost >is a pretty straightforward option. Additionally, time to market is going to >have a bit of impact here (that sentence is *dripping* with gallons of >sarcasm). Unless NeXT does something radically off of the path they are >currently following then NT wins on all of those counts. >Without the guts, money, pricing, and hunger, NeXT is not going to be able to >stave off the NT rush. Microsoft is basically GIVING (did everyone see that >word there "GIVING" - it means no money, or in this case next to no money) NT >away in a beta state to developers. You don't even need to be a developer to >get it (a friend of mine called up and said "I want NT" they said "are you a >developer" he said "No, but I heard NT is *really* cool" and they said "oh, >okay, then that'll be $50"). NeXT has only given beta's out to a very few >select developers. >NT will be significantly cheaper (I don't know numbers, but I know that BillG >has his head on the right planet, so he'll DO THE RIGHT THING). NT will run on >more platforms. NT will have an impressive advertising and awareness campaign >behind it. Unless NeXT does something REALLY impressive (and NS shipping on HP >boxes Q194 is neat, but not a showstopper) then NT will win. Period. Who was >it :-) that once said that competing against Microsoft is like banging your >head against a wall? Apple was a $1B company competing against MS and it was >non-trivial, and NeXT isn't even profitable (spare the replies, one quarter's >profits does not a profitable company make). >The person who started this thread used the word "suicidal", and I think it's a >good word, but the future isn't quite that bleak. The good news is that NeXT >will do okay riding the coattails of the interest and knowledge that the NT >rush will create. SunSoft, Univel, and the others will do well too though.... >also riding the coattails of Microsoft. >I think Microsoft stinks. I think they haven't got a clue how to create a >useful development environment. I think the Windows interface is lame. I >think that DOS is a joke. I think that NT is a mediocre UNIX-like knock-off >that brings zero new news to the OS marketplace. However, market share talks >(VERY loudly) and company stability talks (also VERY loudly) and company >profitability talks (loudly) and track records talk (VERY VERY loudly) and >company focus talks (loudly). All of these things NeXT has problems with (some >larger than others). >The thing that makes me sad is that by Q3'93 when Microsoft has created this >gigantic awareness of why people need, or could use a real OS, many of our >clients are going to start demanding software on NT, and it'll make a NeXTSTEP >sale so much harder (and it's non-trivial now!). >All that said (yeah, I'm finally wrapping up), I hope I'm wrong. I hope NeXT >does the right thing and I hope that I end up with 7 tons of egg on my face. >That way the best technology will have scored a major victory (not a bad >precedent); NeXT will have gotten a clue; and the entire software market could >start to lift itself up out of the ridiculous mire of DOS and X and crappy >character-based UNIX apps and start creating software for the next century. >-- >Shawn Broderick >Monitor Company / Information Engineering >Director, BCS NeXT >shawn@monitor.com
Organization: Sponsored account, Engineering And Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Message-ID: <YfOfSwi00WBL02AFcp@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 12:15:40 -0500 From: Yael Shavit <ys11+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: M.M and R.W at NeXT Hi, I'm looking for the e-mail address and/or phone number of the following people at NeXT: Morrise Meyer, Richard Williamson. I would like to have the address or phone number of anyone else at NeXT (or elsewhere) that is involved in developing (or using) the phonekit and the Phone Connector application, using Hayes ISDN extender. Thanks a lot, Yael Shavit Information Networking Institute Carnegie Mellon University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Jan30.111421.1875@prim> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Jan28.153310.21428@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1993Jan28.210940.7494@cs.yale.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 11:14:21 GMT In article <1993Jan28.210940.7494@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes: >In article <1993Jan28.153310.21428@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu >(Michael McCulloch) writes: > >> Oh yeah, the developer's edition according to the last official info I've >> seen is $2495 ($995 for runtime edition). We all hope NeXT is _just kidding_. >> If they price it that high, then it's gonna be _very_ hard to convince my >> boss that we need (and can afford) NeXTSTEP. >> >> NeXTSTEP 486 should be priced at $495 for the runtime edition, and $995 >> ($1495 absolute tops) for the developer's edition. Otherwise the market >> _will_ opt for NT (or SCO if they want UNIX) without a second look at >> NeXTSTEP. You already have to have a loaded PC (memory, video, HD) to >> run it -- charging 995/2495 would be suicide. > >Charging 995/2495 would hardly be suicide, it would be entirely in line >with the cost of competing unix systems for PCs. However, one hopes that >NeXT will indeed lower the user version to $500 to attempt a cross-over >into the Windows NT and OS/2 market. I doubt NeXT could go much lower than >that to try to grab Windows users, for example. As for the developers >price, I don't have as much a problem with that costing more if it allows >the user price to be lower. > I will have a _big_ problem finding that extra $2500 on top of the cost of a PC. Does anyone know if our current 3.0 license entitles us to a discount on NeXTSTEP 486? Also, will NeXT provide a cross-development environment, or will developers need to own both a NeXT machine (ouch) and a PC (ouch!) and a NeXTSTEP 486 license (OUCH!). Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dave@prim.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Jan30.112624.1932@prim> Organization: Primitive Software Ltd. References: <1993Jan28.205525.19410@cyantic.com> <1993Jan29.051941.3782@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 11:26:24 GMT In article <1993Jan29.051941.3782@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) writes: >Why don't you also include the $2,500 it is supposed to cost for NS486, >which brings the total up to about $7,000. A color machine can be had >for that much. Exactly. That is why NeXT have priced it so high: so as not to undermine sales of their own hardware. A doomed strategy, IMO. As soon as NS486 hits the streets, sales of NeXT hardware will collapse... ah! it's just dawned on me why the release of NS486 has been delayed (Scott Hess's rat), it's being delayed until _after_ the release of NeXT's new range of hardware, otherwise the momentum of NS486 would have obliterated any interest in NeXT's own hardware following in the wake. Dave Griffiths
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lupson@geom.umn.edu (Linus Upson) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <C1ouMo.7nn@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota References: <108843@bu.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 22:32:43 GMT In article <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> lupson@geom.umn.edu (Linus Upson) writes: > > ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) > ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ > Everyone seems to be forgetting that 1024 * 768 * 2 = 1,572,864 bytes. > The machine above can only do 2 bit gray (not to mention that even if it > had the memory, most PC video cards are hard wired to only do color maps). > You'll need a much more expensive video board if you want color, and even > on a localbus you'll still get lower video performance than on a turbo > station. In article <108843@bu.edu> mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) writes: > Hmmm. Sorry, I disagree with your math. In a 256 color mode, you > have 1 byte per pixel. Now at 1024x768 with 256 colors, you get 786,432 > bytes, NOT 1,572,864. Now, if you wanted 16 bit color, then you would > come out to the figure you mentioned. But the 1 meg card is NOT limited > to 2bit gray at 1024x768. In article <1keetsINNk6f@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) writes: > Bzzzt. > 1024 * 768 * 2 = 1,572,864 BITS > > The machine above does 1024x768x 256 colors (8-bit ) no problem > With an additional MB of RAM on the Video board it'll do (16-bit) 64 Kcolors. I am sorry for the confusion; both of these posters are correct. The ATI Ultra Pro with one meg of video ram can do 1024 pixels by 768 pixels with 256 colors from a 6 or 8 bit per channel colormap. According to all announcements/postings/rumors, however, NS486 cannot. Linus Upson lupson@geom.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dean@thrall.com (Dean Johnson) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest References: <1993Jan30.112624.1932@prim> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 02:16:39 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jan31.021639.15945@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In article <1993Jan30.112624.1932@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk writes: > In article <1993Jan29.051941.3782@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) writes: > > >Why don't you also include the $2,500 it is supposed to cost for NS486, > >which brings the total up to about $7,000. A color machine can be had > >for that much. > >> Exactly. That is why NeXT have priced it so high: so as not to undermine >> sales of their own hardware. A doomed strategy, IMO. As soon as NS486 hits >> the streets, sales of NeXT hardware will collapse... ah! it's just dawned on >> me why the release of NS486 has been delayed (Scott Hess's rat), it's being >> delayed until _after_ the release of NeXT's new range of hardware, otherwise >> the momentum of NS486 would have obliterated any interest in NeXT's own >> hardware following in the wake. >> >> Dave Griffiths I have heard from people at NeXT that not only will NeXTSTEP be a lower price (if they can convince Jobs that he will sell more copies that way), but that NeXTSTEP will be unbundled from future NeXT hardware. So it will not really matter what platform you are using; you will ahve to pay for that killer OS :( Dean -- NeXTmail Please | More computer stuff! | dean@thrall.com | - My wife |
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Date: 31 Jan 1993 03:33:27 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Message-ID: <1kfha7INN5aa@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1993Jan30.112624.1932@prim> <1993Jan31.021639.15945@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In article <1993Jan31.021639.15945@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> dean@thrall.com writes: >I have heard from people at NeXT that not only will NeXTSTEP be a lower >price (if they can convince Jobs that he will sell more copies that way), >but that NeXTSTEP will be unbundled from future NeXT hardware. So it will not >really matter what platform you are using; you will ahve to pay for that >killer OS :( This has got to be a joke. Unbundle NeXTstep from NeXT hardware? Whatever for? What options exist aside from NeXTstep for NeXT hardware? What good would a NeXT be without its operating system (unless Microsoft is planning on an NT port to NeXT). One might as well unbundle the cheese from Kraft Macaroni-and-Cheese. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Currier | Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | "This is the best darn mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | Pizza-in-a-Cup I have alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu (NeXTmail only) | ever tasted!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Quantum ProDriver 210S Message-ID: <1kg3j6INN62o@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Date: 31 Jan 93 08:45:26 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Hello everyone, I'm pulling the hair out of my head trying to find jumper settings for the Quantum ProDriver 210S 199meg 1/2 height drive. It is the internal drive I received with my station. All I really need are the SCSI target number jumpers .... Thanks for any info. Joel Belog nether@wpi.wpi.edu NeXTMail O.k.
From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Floptical driver Date: 31 Jan 1993 14:29:12 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1kgnnoINN3bj@cs.tut.fi> This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen Does anyone have a driver for Insite's floptical drive? I desperately need one. I need to read and write PC 720 and 1440 KB floppies and 20 MB floppies with unix file format (I don't need floptical compatibility). Is there a easy way to write an own driver to accomplish this task? (Or is there one available already?) -Juha -- Pasi Ojala Why does my signature keep changing?? po87553@cs.tut.fi Am I doing something wrong?
From: eilts@late.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Hinrich Eilts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Experiences about Fujitsu M 2694 SA wanted Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 15:34:50 GMT Organization: LATE, Uni-Erlangen, Germany Message-ID: <1kgriqEo11@uni-erlangen.de> I'm intendet to buy a new harddisk for my slab end got an offer for Fujitsu M 2694 SA, 1.0 GB, 10 msec, 3.5". I don't know this drive, so can anybody tell me about it's qualities ?
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Date: 31 Jan 1993 16:45:21 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1kgvn1INN4pn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I doubt there will be an NeXT hardware per say. They fired there head of hardware system design and most of his guys left or move to other divisions. The new NeXT hardware is going to be '486s,P5, HP Snakes, and Suns. That's good with me. Hardware is an expensive business. NeXT has a chance as an OS company. I'm buying a Slab now and then am going to wait (used slab that is) 12-18 months for NS486 on a snake....boy will that be fast and cheap! CW
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Cd-Rom....which to buy! Date: 31 Jan 1993 16:49:53 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1kgvvhINN4ui@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I've got some money to get a Cd-ROM. How much will a good one cost that is FAST. I use to have an Apple Cd-Rom and that was unbearable. The NeXT one is nice but I heard it was dismally slow. Thanks for any emailed replies.... CW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: wipeout@netcom.com (Eric Thompson) Subject: Using SUPRA for dial-IN -- help, I lost my config files Message-ID: <1993Jan31.200404.1102@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 20:04:04 GMT Hello, All my modified config files (/etc/ttys and what else?) got wiped when I upgraded to 3.0.. and now I can't get my Supra 14.4v32 working for dial-IN again.. I want it to answer at 38.4 and drop down as far as 2400 if necessary. I had this working under 2.2, but not anymore... Thank you! Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: elmar@knipp.en.open.de (Elmar Knipp) Message-ID: <1993Jan31.163056.20325@knipp.en.open.de> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 93 16:30:56 GMT Organization: Private/FRG Subject: Re: 128 MByte Optical Drives and NeXT? References: <1993Jan15.125044.14808@linus.mitre.org> <1993Jan29.110119.1846@extropia.wimsey.bc.ca> miron@extropia.wimsey.bc.ca (Miron Cuperman) writes: >wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) writes: >> Does anyone have an experience in connecting a 128 MByte R/W optical >> to a NeXT? Can we expect that SCSI versions of these devices will >> work without problems? >The La-Cie optical drive needed a disktab to work properly, and it >gives some (benign) "BUSY" kernel errors when a disk is inserted. >Here is the disktab that I use: I use a MOST optical drive (don't know the exact model-number, because I am at home) and it works fine. Without disktab. -- --------------------------------+------------------------------------- Elmar Knipp | Voice: + 49 231 975015-0 Knipp Satz und Bild digital | Fax 3: + 49 231 975015-80 Technologiepark | Modem: + 49 231 975015-82 Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 | ISDN-Server: + 49 231 975015-831 4600 Dortmund 50 | E-Mail: elmar@knipp.en.open.de Germany | --------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: SCSI cable needed - help! Message-ID: <1993Jan31.134317.7945@nidat.sub.org> Keywords: NeXT to Mac SCSI Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <1993Jan29.005153.13901@coe.montana.edu> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 13:43:17 GMT In article <1993Jan29.005153.13901@coe.montana.edu> pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu (Craig Pratt) writes: > I picked up a 40MB drive, power supply and case from a friend to use as > a swap drive. But, I need a cable. The case is wired with a 25-pin > female port (db25, I guess). It was used on an Amiga but is supposedly > identical to a Mac external SCSI drive. I have a NS Turbo Color. > > Where's the best place to get one of these beasts? > You will have to make the cable of your own! No commercial source known. Apple uses a db25 by omitting the paired ground leads and supplys only a single lead which creates some trouble with termination (no termonator power as far as I remember). The scheme is to keep the sequence of signal lines on the db50 or blue ribbon connector but replace every ground lead with the subsequent signal line. The actual pattern must be asked in the appropriate mac-HW group; sorry! (or you open the drive case and analyze the connects as db50 and blue ribbon are straight through from the drive connector) As I see it you have two alternatives: 1. Take a SCSI-2 (to SCSI-1) cable and cut off one of the connectors to solder a db25 to that end. 2. Modify the drive case to connect a db50 or blue ribbon (or even a Hitachi SCSI-2) connector. You can use a ribbon cable as it goes straight through to the drive connector. You just need the additional space for the larger connectors. Then you can use a standard cable. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-7527 Kraichtal 2 | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: sound box on original mono slabs? Date: 1 Feb 1993 02:26:19 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1ki1obINN999@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> is there a sound box or is the speaker internal on the original slabs (mono)? CW
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Large internal HD for old NeXTStation? Date: 1 Feb 1993 00:22:38 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1khqgeINN8sp@clem.handheld.com> Are there any large hard disks, 1gb or more, that can be used internally in an old 25Mhz NeXTStation? Please e-mail replies, my feed is back to 6 days behind, and I need an answer sooner than that! Thanks, Jim jmd@cube.handheld.com (NeXTMail welcome) -- Jim De Arras | The opinions expressed herein are Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand 804.784.3090 voice | Held Products, Inc., and may not 804.784.3147 FAX | even be mine. Use at your own risk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: sound box on original mono slabs? Message-ID: <C1r56J.Hzs@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1ki1obINN999@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 04:15:41 GMT cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes: >is there a sound box or is the speaker internal on the original >slabs (mono)? All monochrome stations and cubes use the speaker internal to the MegaPixel Monochrome monitor. Sound Boxes are only used on color stations (and Turbo Colors, to be explicit). -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: david@worg.questor.org (David Lau) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Printer Lubrication Message-ID: <1993Feb1.013912.1422@worg.questor.org> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 01:39:12 GMT References: <1993Jan26.162547.810@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: david@worg.questor.org Organization: Vancouver NeXT Users Society (VNUS) In article <1993Jan26.162547.810@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> (slugg jello) writes: >Anybody know whether there exist instructions for lubricating the NeXT Printer? >Mine is wheezing and squeeking like its very dry. > >Thanks. >-- >Doug Kent >slugg@mouthers.wa.com I am experiencing the same problem. I tried vaseline, but it does not seem to help. If someone has a solution, please post. -- David Lau (aka Sleepy Head) Independent Software Developer Phone: (604)276-9860 FAX: (604)276-8606 Email: david@worg.questor.org, david@worg.questor.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: thorst@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Theodore C Horst) Subject: Looking For NeXT Tape Drive Message-ID: <1993Feb1.160359.16334@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 16:03:59 GMT I need a reliable tape backup for a NeXTStaion with a 400 MB hard drive. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, it just has to work reliably out of the box. I would appreciate any information that anyone could give me as far as prices, models, and experiences. I don't have regular access to these groups so email responses are preferred. Thanks for any info, Ted
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT-AS400 connectivity Date: 1 Feb 1993 19:02:26 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Distribution: world Message-ID: <1kjs42INNqji@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Summary: What {hard,soft}ware is required to use a NeXT as an AS400 terminal? Last week it was NeXT-MicroVax connectivity. Thanks for all your help. This was probably a slam-dunk compared with this week's problem: how to use a NeXTstation as an AS-400 terminal. I'm aware of some IBM terminal emulators (3270Vision comes to mind), but I'm not sure what terminals AS-400's use. I'd appreciate hearing what experiences you have using a NeXTstation as an AS-400 terminal. What software and hardware is required? Does the software integrate well into the NeXTSTEP environment (cut-and-paste, Services, etc.)? What problems exist? Thanks much. Your responses are helping us sell NeXTSTEP in more traditional data processing environments which will help all of us succeed as the word spreads. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Feb1.165323.26473@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: 1 Feb 93 16:53:23 GMT Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. In message <1kfha7INN5aa@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: >In article <1993Jan31.021639.15945@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> dean@thrall.com writes: > >>I have heard from people at NeXT that not only will NeXTSTEP be a lower >>price (if they can convince Jobs that he will sell more copies that way), >>but that NeXTSTEP will be unbundled from future NeXT hardware. So it will not >>really matter what platform you are using; you will ahve to pay for that >>killer OS :( > >This has got to be a joke. Unbundle NeXTstep from NeXT hardware? Whatever >for? What options exist aside from NeXTstep for NeXT hardware? What good >would a NeXT be without its operating system (unless Microsoft is planning >on an NT port to NeXT). One might as well unbundle the cheese from Kraft >Macaroni-and-Cheese. You are assuming that any future NeXT HW will look the same as it does now. I've read that NeXT will offer a 486 in more than one publication. You certainly could run more than NS on a 486. Michael McCulloch Huntsville, AL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca (N Tomczak-Jaegermann) Subject: Re: Exception #2 on attempted boot Message-ID: <ntomczak.728586902@vega> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1jnhkjINNg6b@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <C1910r.J7r@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 17:15:02 GMT dimitri@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko) writes: >In article <1jnhkjINNg6b@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: >>"Exception #2" means might be a big clue. >> >>If anyone can shed any light on this, please let me know. >1) At one occasion, what I experienced was exactly the same as what Art >mentions above (except that WP was not involved). I could boot from CD, >though. The filesystem was OK. So I replaced the boot block >(please use extreme care while doing this!) and everything worked OK. I also have seen alternating Exception #2 and Exception #3. No amount of typing 'b' to monitor was of any help. But switching power off on a modem solved the situation. I have a feeling that an act of nudging serial port turned out to be benficial and cycling power on modem would have a similar effect. I really do not want to know. :-) Michal Jaegermann ntomczak@vega.math.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: root@imagine.com (Operator) Subject: Hewlett Packard 5.25" 1.2GB Message-ID: <1993Feb1.222048.10586@imagine.com> Sender: henryf@imagine.com Organization: Imagine Multimedia, Inc., Ann Arbor, MI, USA Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 22:20:48 GMT Does anyone know if this drive will work on the NeXT? Any problems? Special preperation necessary? We need to buy a hard drive for use with one machine, and then later for use with the NeXT. We have a limited choice of what will work on the other machine, and the hp is the only one in the 1+GB range. Thanks! - hsf
From: rwt@ohm.york.ac.uk (Richard Taylor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Feb2.100946.5981@ohm.york.ac.uk> Date: 2 Feb 93 10:09:46 GMT References: <1kgvn1INN4pn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK In <1kgvn1INN4pn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes: >and then am going to wait (used slab that is) 12-18 months for >NS486 on a snake....boy will that be fast and cheap! >CW ^^^ whatever else it runs on, I suspect you won't get a very fast version of NS running under a 486 emulator on a Snake :-) -- ,_~o Dr. Richard Taylor email : rwt@uk.ac.york.ohm _-\_<, CSEG, University of York tel : (44) 904 432351 (*)/'(*) Y015DD, England fax : (44) 904 432335
From: dayne@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Mac keyboards on a NeXT Date: 3 Feb 1993 00:59:52 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Distribution: world Message-ID: <1kn5e8INN63v@shelley.u.washington.edu> Will the new Mac keyboards (those that split and separate down the middle, have a separate numeric keypad, etc.) work on a NeXT with the Apple Desktop Bus (ADB) connections? And are they worth it? Just wondering... -Dayne Miller dayne@byron.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: pascal@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Pascal Gaudette) Subject: Mapping out a bad block *without* reformatting? Message-ID: <1993Feb2.200851.5083@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> Sender: usenet@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario. Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 20:08:51 GMT It appears that I have a bad block on my (1 month old) hard drive. I keep getting media errors from this one block, and have apparently lost one file to it -- I moved the file to a new directory, and now it won't copy or uncompress... every access attempt generates: Feb 1 19:32:46 nextasy mach: Target 1: MEDIA ERROR; block 61310H retry 1 Is there any way to map out the bad block *without* reformatting the entire drive? This is my boot drive, so reformatting and restoring from backup would be quite a pain... Thanks for any help, -- Pascal "The Rascal" Gaudette pascal@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca MacNUG president | *NeXTmail encouraged* graduate student, McMaster university | Je ne suis pas infaillible. Physics and astronomy dep. | Vive le Quebec LIBRE!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Intel to build the next NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Feb2.154305.10760@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 15:43:05 GMT From everyone's most quotable spy, Robert X. Cringely, comes this "Note from the Field" in InfoWorld (2/1/93): "Intel is making a few inroads against Motorola, having gotten Next Inc. to go for a 33/66-MHz 486DX2 for its upcoming low-end workstation, replacing the venerable 68040. There will be a Pentium socket on the motherboard, too, for power freaks. "Intel will actually build the box for Next, helping Steve Jobs and Co. out of the hardware business. But the move to Intel has just as much to do with Motorola's inability to get the 68040 going faster than 33 MHz." Take this with the usual grain of salt and email me in the morning. -- Gregory H. Anderson | "History, despite its wrenching pain, Commander-in-Chief | Cannot be unlived, but if faced Anderson Financial Systems | With courage, need not be lived again." greg@afs.com (Nextmail OK) | -- Maya Angelou, "On the Pulse of Morning"
From: rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Feb3.001340.13021@dvorak.amd.com> Date: 3 Feb 93 00:13:40 GMT References: <1993Feb2.100946.5981@ohm.york.ac.uk> Sender: usenet@dvorak.amd.com (Usenet News) Distribution: usa Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas In article <1993Feb2.100946.5981@ohm.york.ac.uk> rwt@ohm.york.ac.uk (Richard Taylor) writes: >>In <1kgvn1INN4pn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes: >>>and then am going to wait (used slab that is) 12-18 months for >>>NS486 on a snake....boy will that be fast and cheap! >>>CW >>^^^ >> whatever else it runs on, I suspect you won't get a very fast >>version of NS running under a 486 emulator on a Snake :-) >> >>-- >> ,_~o Dr. Richard Taylor email : rwt@uk.ac.york.ohm >> _-\_<, CSEG, University of York tel : (44) 904 432351 >>(*)/'(*) Y015DD, England fax : (44) 904 432335 No emulation. It'll be a full port. -- Ronald Pomeroy "VisualWorks - the *only* real competition for IB" Advanced Micro Devices CAM Applications Group rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Mac keyboards on a NeXT Message-ID: <C1utpo.KDJ@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: 3 Feb 93 03:58:35 GMT Article-I.D.: news2.C1utpo.KDJ References: <1kn5e8INN63v@shelley.u.washington.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota In article <1kn5e8INN63v@shelley.u.washington.edu> dayne@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) writes: > Will the new Mac keyboards (those that split and separate down the middle, > have a separate numeric keypad, etc.) work on a NeXT with the Apple Desktop > Bus (ADB) connections? And are they worth it? > > Just wondering... > > -Dayne Miller > dayne@byron.u.washington.edu Once you can find a power button and speaker & brightness controls you may find it workable. peter peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
From: ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Feb2.224543.17@pencom.com> Date: 2 Feb 93 22:45:43 GMT References: <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software In articleLinus Upson writes: > > Well, how about the current Gateway Systems : > > > > 486DX2-66 > > 256k cache > > 16 megs ram (additional $320 or so) > > 2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400) > > ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) > ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ > > 17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700) > > both floppies > > mouse, windows, etc. > > ------------------------ > > $4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118) > > Everyone seems to be forgetting that 1024 * 768 * 2 = 1,572,864 bytes. > The machine above can only do 2 bit gray (not to mention that even if it > had the memory, most PC video cards are hard wired to only do color maps). > You'll need a much more expensive video board if you want color, and even > on a localbus you'll still get lower video performance than on a turbo > station. > > Linus Upson > lupson@geom.umn.edu VESA Local Bus and ATI Ultra Pro with 2MB of VRAM __ should __ be able to do 16-bit color at 1024x768 on NeXTSTEP. But you're right an extra 1MB is needed for 16-bit color at 1024x768. -- + Ricardo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: psop4@mach1.wlu.ca (paul sop u) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest References: <1993Jan29.051941.3782@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> <108843@bu.edu> Message-ID: <C1v216.GD1@mach1.wlu.ca> Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 06:58:18 GMT In article <108843@bu.edu> mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) writes: > Also, I don't know why you think color maps are a bad idea. For >instance, on a NeXT colorstation, you get 4 bits per color component, period. '4 bits per color component'... your jargon doesn't make sense. Anyway, color maps are bad because they take up A LOT of processing time when you work with colour in a complex or high level way. Let's compare 24 bit color with a colourtable (say 32768 entries large) when we want to display 3 images on screen simultaniously: 24bit Large Colour Lookup Table ===== ========================= Image one: Put the pixels up Check each pixel to see if the literally. If we are requested colour is in the map. representing >24bits, If not, add the colour to the map just scale values. and put the pixel up on the screen using colour x from the table. * Repeat for every pixel. Note: We now have FEWER entries in our colour table! Image two: Put pixels up. Repeat previous step (above). Note, we don't have to worry Note that we now have FEWER about what is already onscreen. entries in the colour table. Eventually we may run out of slots if our table contains less slots than our screen has pixels. Image three: Put pixels up. Say we've run out of colour slots (which can happen in a 32k table, but ALWAYS happens in a 256c table) Now we have to start even more computationally sensetive dithering routines to pick the closest match from our table that most closely represent our image. === Now, this mess gets worse when the images are actually removed from the screen. The hardware has to de-reference what colours are actually used in the table, using up even more CPU time. Sometimes, the 32k colour table is actually implemented as a SUBSET of the total 256k (or 24bit range)--ie, not ALL colours are displayable. And with a 1024 x 768 screen, for pixel independent discrete colour selection you'd need a table with more than 786432 slots. This problem becomes computationally icky about now. Now, this describes an ADAPTIVE colour table system (one that will try and display things as best it can at all times). An optimization is to create either a Totally fixed colour table ( a good spectrum sample ) and write fast dither routines. This means you never have to worry about what is actually on screen. With a 4096 colour table system, you have speed and good accuracy (I can get equations) when displaying a standard range of images. Nearly totally fixed colour table, with some adaptive properties. This setup would have that fast broad base to dither with (say 3k colours), and keep an extra 1000 on hand for adaptive stuff. This gives minor slow-downs, but gives more acceptable results for a broad range of pictures (ie. if you have a bias of tans in your picture, those 1000 slots will be mostly filled up with tans). ...AND... All of this mess is simply gotten rid of by having a REAL 24 bit display. >On a measly VGA system, you get 256 values per pixel which is an index into >a color table. This color table has 256 entries, each of which consists of >6 bits of R,G and B. Now, that makes a total palette of 262,144 colors. I >realize you can't display this much at once. However, in IBM hicolor mode >(the equivalent of IBM 16bit color), you get a 16bit index into a palette >of 5 bits of R,G, and B. So, you get an effective pallete size of >32,768 colors, which you can access and show at the same time in hicolor >mode. The Hicolor mode is great for dinky previews, but it is at terrible cost: You work from a 32768 colour palette. Not a 256k palette. AND Certainly not a 24bit (16384k palette (16 777 216). IBM HiColor has about 512 times fewer colours than a 24 bit system. Even if you can only display 4096 of them, they are still from a gamut with more discrete shades, giving you a greater dynamic range of images you can show. What I mean is: If you have a dark and moody picture, your picture will contain mainly dark and moody tones. With 32768 shades to choose from, only 10% or so (3000 shades ) are available to describe this image. Contrast that with 24bit, and you have nearly 2 million shades that fit the bill. It's the difference between having monochrome dithering and 256 greys. >This blows NeXT colorstation 4096 colors at-a-time away. In fact, >256 color VGA mode does a smoother color fade than a colorstation because >of its color palette system. > I've always been dissapointed with the NeXT colorstation's limited >color implementation. Although, having an alpha channel is way cool for >some things. The NeXT colorstation's colour implementation is better than anything else out there (except real 24 or 32 bit). >>Linus Upson >>lupson@geom.umn.edu This is just a BASIC (I mean it) look at some of the issues involved in display technologies. I haven't really gone into the human side of the equation (perceptual colour discrimination, colour consistancy, veiling, colour memory, mood), or the mathematical models that pick colours in advanced display systems. If you'd like to do some reading, I've got a collection of papers on the topic. Mail me and I'll give you FTP instructions on how to get them. psop4@mach1.wlu.ca Master Iconoclastic Whimsicality --------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Sop Consultant - Computing Services - Wilfrid Laurier University
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Flat Panel Display Hardware (ObNS486) Message-ID: <1993Feb3.152701.24685@bmw.mayo.edu> Date: 3 Feb 93 15:27:01 GMT Article-I.D.: bmw.1993Feb3.152701.24685 Sender: newsman@bmw.mayo.edu (Usenet News Administrator) Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus In light of the search for the perfect NS486 platform. Mayo is currently looking for the following hardware, for use in diagnostic areas.... There are some who want these systems to run NeXTSTEP (and still others wanting them to run UniFace on top Windows and/or X), but the bottom line is we are looking for a monitor/drive technology fulfilling a majority of the following specs: 17" diagonal Less than 12" depth (front to back) 1280*1024 pixels 256 colors or better 72Khz or better scan rate X11, Windows 3.1, NT (hey, I didn't spec this) or NS486 support If you know of a company that supplies such technology, please let me know. Thanks -- - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel to build the next NeXT? Message-ID: <faIi02Ph34aV01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 3 Feb 93 17:16:08 GMT References: <1993Feb2.154305.10760@afs.com> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA In article <1993Feb2.154305.10760@afs.com>, greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) writes: >From everyone's most quotable spy, Robert X. Cringely, comes this "Note >>from the Field" in InfoWorld (2/1/93): > > "Intel is making a few inroads against Motorola, having gotten Next >Inc. >to go for a 33/66-MHz 486DX2 for its upcoming low-end workstation, >replacing the venerable 68040. There will be a Pentium socket on the >motherboard, too, for power freaks. > "Intel will actually build the box for Next, helping Steve Jobs and >Co. >out of the hardware business. But the move to Intel has just as much to >do >with Motorola's inability to get the 68040 going faster than 33 MHz." > >Take this with the usual grain of salt and email me in the morning. I agree. I know someone at NeXT and if this were the case they would no longer have a job. Since this person is not fearing for his job due to Intel designing and making the next NeXT, I would have to say this is a bunch of bull. > >-- >Gregory H. Anderson | "History, despite its wrenching pain, >Commander-in-Chief | Cannot be unlived, but if faced >Anderson Financial Systems | With courage, need not be lived again." >greg@afs.com (Nextmail OK) | -- Maya Angelou, "On the Pulse of Morning" -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing */ /* on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't */ /* make you a diner. Being here in America doesn't make you an */ /* American." */ /* --Malcolm X */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hlam@bnr.ca (Hayward Lam) Subject: Help!! SCSI disks crash after 3.0 upgraded Message-ID: <1993Feb3.165900.15503@bmers95.bnr.ca> Sender: usenet@bmers95.bnr.ca Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 16:59:00 GMT Help Needed!! I have a NeXTStation Mono 8/105 connected to a tower case which houses 2 SCSI drives. Inside NeXT is Qutumn 105MB. Inside tower are 400MB(ST-1480) and 200MB(ST-1239). (400 is the system disk) Here is the picture: 105 <--------------> 400 ---------- 200 NeXT ^ ^ |----- Tower Case ---- | The 400 and 200 are connected thru internal cable and my NeXT is connected with the tower case thru SCSI2-SCSI1. Everything worked fine when I had NS2.2. However, after upgraded to NS3.0, the 200and 105 started to crash once in a while. Especially the 105. The last time happened when I tried to copy files from 105 to 200. Sytem entered panic mode and then died. After rebooted the system, I had the 105 beyond repair and I had to reinitialize the drive. Right now, once in a while the system will hang for a couple minutes and this message "sd1 timer... time-out" appears at the console. sd1 is the 105. I have played with all the jumper settings of all the drives but the problem still exists. Do I need a SCSI terminator? If so, where should I put it (between NeXT and tower case, or between 400 and 200)? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Hayward --------------------------------------------------------- Hayward Lam email:hlam@bnr.ca People have a way of becoming what you encourage them to be, not what you nag them to be. by Scudder Parker ---------------------------------------------------------
From: sbart@atlantis.tamu.edu (Stephen Bartholomew) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Looking for a tape backup unit. Date: 3 Feb 1993 18:55:31 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <1kp4f3INN7nd@tamsun.tamu.edu> I am looking for a tape backup unit prefferably 4mm DAT but there has got to be a place that has better prices than NeXTconnection. I would appreciate any information on recommended tape drives and where I can purchase one at a reasonable price. Thank you, Stephen Bartholomew Texas A&M University Aerospace Department sbart@atlantis.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dan@writer.yorku.ca (Dan O'Connell) Subject: 3.0 Fax on '30 Message-ID: <1993Feb1.181343.12889@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Originator: dan@grant Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Assisted Writing Centre, York University, Toronto, Canada Distribution: w Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 18:13:43 GMT Re: Fax problems with release 3.0 on a '30 cube On page 4 of the RELEASE NOTES that came with 3.0 it says: "Release 3.0 fax software doesn't send or receive reliably on NeXT computers with 68030 processor board." Does anyone know what this really means? Apparently the vendor (HDS) and NeXT support don't seem to have any ideas and we hate to use 3.0 only to find that there are 'real' problems. Thanks for any help.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware From: icf@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ira Frosch) Subject: Re: NeXT-AS400 connectivity Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Feb03.214853.11322@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1993 21:48:53 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1kjs42INNqji@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1kjs42INNqji@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: |> |> |> Last week it was NeXT-MicroVax connectivity. Thanks for all your help. This |> was probably a slam-dunk compared with this week's problem: how to use a |> NeXTstation as an AS-400 terminal. |> |> I'm aware of some IBM terminal emulators (3270Vision comes to mind), but I'm |> not sure what terminals AS-400's use. I'd appreciate hearing what experiences |> you have using a NeXTstation as an AS-400 terminal. What software and hardware |> is required? Does the software integrate well into the NeXTSTEP environment |> (cut-and-paste, Services, etc.)? What problems exist? |> |> Thanks much. Your responses are helping us sell NeXTSTEP in more traditional |> data processing environments which will help all of us succeed as the word |> spreads. The AS/400 uses IBM 5250 terminals (similar to 3270, but not quite). I haven't heard of any software that does do the emulation at this time, but the AS/400 does have as TCP/IP as an option that can do telnet and ftp. Sooooo, in a normal environment where the NeXT and the AS/400 are connected, it should be possible to connect in. | -- |> |> Art Isbell Cubic Solutions |> NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting |> NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 |> USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515 Ira Frosch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.soft-sys.nextstep From: draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) Subject: Re: M.M and R.W at NeXT Message-ID: <1993Feb3.234037.17803@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Residential Computing, Stanford University References: <YfOfSwi00WBL02AFcp@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 23:40:37 GMT In comp.sys.next.sysadmin Yael Shavit <ys11+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >I'm looking for the e-mail address and/or phone number of the following >people at NeXT: > Morrise Meyer, > Richard Williamson. Pretty much all NeXT employees are reachable by sending email to Firstname_Lastname@next.com, eg: Morrise_Meyer@next.com Rollie -- Matt Rollefson ("Rollie") draphsor@deathstar.stanford.edu Residential Computing, Stanford University NeXTmail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: pascal@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Pascal Gaudette) Subject: Re: (solved) Mapping out a bad block *without* reformatting? Message-ID: <1993Feb3.232939.15663@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> Sender: usenet@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario. References: <1993Feb2.200851.5083@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 23:29:39 GMT In article <1993Feb2.200851.5083@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> I wrote: > >It appears that I have a bad block on my (1 month old) hard drive. [...] > >Is there any way to map out the bad block *without* reformatting the >entire drive? [Sigh...] Thanks to the many people (including a sun employee! :-) who pointed me to the reasb command. It is part of the 3.0 distribution, and is also apparently available via anonymous ftp from next.com. Unfortunately, I did not have the chance to try it. To make a long story short: yesterday, before I had received any replies to my query, my NeXT started having some more problems; and after a few attempts to fix things by booting off a floppy, I wound up with a machine that wouldn't even *boot* from the hard drive. After much hair-pulling, I wound up doing a low level reformat of the drive. Luckily, I had *just* done a full backup. Since our exabyte tape is on the network, and the bootfloppy doesn't have rrestore on it, it took a bit of ingenuity as well as a 3.0 CD to get things moving. But now it is done, and I am back on my feet. Phew! Again, warm thanks to all those who responded. -- Pascal "The Rascal" Gaudette pascal@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca MacNUG president | *NeXTmail encouraged* graduate student, McMaster university | Je ne suis pas infaillible. Physics and astronomy dep. | Vive le Quebec LIBRE!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: daj@ccrma.stanford.edu Subject: flakey power-on Message-ID: <1993Feb4.021147.23717@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 02:11:47 GMT I've had an intermittent problem with my 25mhz 040 cube. The problem is that after powering down, I can't power up again. I'll press the power button several times and nothing happens. Then eventually the power does come on (sometimes it helps to hold down the button for a few seconds.) When the power comes on, everything seems fine but the time has lost several minutes! I brought my cube into NeXT repair and they kept it over night. They couldn't find anything wrong and (of course) it didn't misbehave while it was being watched. They checked the battery and decided it was ok. The problem went away for a year. Now it's back. Anybody ever have a similar problem? Please respond to david@jaffe.com, since I don't read usenet regularly. Thanks.
From: osm@access.digex.com (oskar s. magnusson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Rack mounted NeXTs Date: 3 Feb 1993 12:03:30 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1kott2INNjgp@digex.digex.com> Does anyone know if any rack mount hardware exists for a NeXT station & mono monitor?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: Rack mounted NeXTs Message-ID: <1993Feb4.095426.1708@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <1kott2INNjgp@digex.digex.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 09:54:26 GMT In article <1kott2INNjgp@digex.digex.com> osm@access.digex.com (oskar s. magnusson) writes: > > Does anyone know if any rack mount hardware exists for a > NeXT station & mono monitor? Most of the NeXTs that we have rack-mounted (a lot!) are just as they are, in normal computer-room racking. We unscrew the swivel bases from color monitors, and take the "tilt" off of a mono monitor to save a little space. We get four NeXTs to a standard rack cage. There is a company that apparently makes a gadget that will allow a NeXT to boot headless. One setup would be to use this gadget and set all your NeXTs to use serial A as a console, have a serial switch-box between them and a normal character terminal at the end. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,ba.market.computers,ucb.market.misc From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Subject: Color NeXTstation for sale Message-ID: <1993Feb4.221611.20597@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: nntp@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (NNTP Poster) Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 22:16:11 GMT Hi, I have a 25 Mhz color NeXTstation (less the monitor) for sale. Still in the box. I thought it is needed for program development. But in the end, I managed to finish my Desktop.app without it. So, I guess it gonna go... - 16Meg RAM. - 400Meg Harddisk. - keyboard, soundbox, all necessary cables - system 3.0 - warranty card - No monitor - very new condition. Even the boxes are new! Software included ================= Lotus Improv SoftPC WriteNow Mathematica Desktop v1.51 Asking for $3800. I will deliver anywhere in the Bay Area. Johnson Sieu sieu@cory.berkeley.edu
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Zyxel, NXFax question Date: 4 Feb 1993 16:44:27 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1ks68bINN5oo@tamsun.tamu.edu> Hi, I have a question about Zyxel and NXFax: I recently received a flyer from a company offering a 'package' containing the Zyxel 1496e modem and NXFax for $600. I'm wondering why the high price for this package when I've seen on c.s.n.m the possibility of getting just the modem for about $300. NXFax is listed as $135 in this flyer. My question is: what happens when I get just the modem? Does the NeXT have all the drivers necessary to run the modem (I have 3.0 on a '040 cube)? Could I use the modem for faxing, and dialing up to school at 14.4K (using kermit for the latter)? If so, what benefits does NXFax give me? (ie. what exactly is NXFax) As you can see, I'm a little confused. Please email me any suggestions, explanations to andrewd@cs.tamu.edu, especially if you have Zyxel and/or NXFax. Thanks a bunch for any and all help. -- -- Andrew Duchowski -- this -- -- Texas A&M University -- space -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail) -- intentionally -- -- andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail) -- blank --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <1993Feb5.081440.2966@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 08:14:40 GMT I don't know if this is a stupid question or not, but here goes! :-) When using thin ethernet, must the T-connector actually be attached to the computer, or is it permissible to run a length of cable from the T to the ethernet port on the computer? Here's a crude diagram: / T-connector --------------------------------===----------------------------------- | | | | | | 8 - 10' length of cable | | | | ==================== = = = = = slab = = = = = = = ==================== I usually see setups that have the T right on the back of the computer. But it seems like the above should work. I'm just trying to clean up cable clutter, but didn't know if this is "legal" or not. Any suggestions? Thanks. John Bartley john@wpa.com
From: vin@netcom.com (Vin Locke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT CD-ROM drive on a SPARC? Keywords: Sun, CD, CD-ROM Message-ID: <1993Feb5.090827.26522@netcom.com> Date: 5 Feb 93 09:08:27 GMT Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Has anyone succeeded in using a NeXT CD ROM drive on a SPARC clone or a Sun? I hooked one up to a SPARC clone, inserted a Sun demo disk (dunno the format -- it was a demo from Island Graphics) and, after spitting out a lot of error messages and addresses, crashed the system. Tried this again with a different Sun CD, and same-o same-o. I'd like to hear if anyone else had this problem; is a little kernel hacking necessary, or is their something unique in NeXT's Sony drive? --vin vin@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If productivity can really be measured as the rate at which lines of code are produced, why not just use a tight loop to spew code as fast as possible, and send the programmers home? --Brad Cox
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Looking for a tape backup unit. Date: 5 Feb 1993 16:10:25 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1ku3hhINN9pr@ni.umd.edu> References: <1kp4f3INN7nd@tamsun.tamu.edu> In article <1kp4f3INN7nd@tamsun.tamu.edu> sbart@atlantis.tamu.edu (Stephen Bartholomew) writes: >I am looking for a tape backup unit prefferably 4mm DAT but there has got >to be a place that has better prices than NeXTconnection. I would >appreciate any information on recommended tape drives and where I can >purchase one at a reasonable price. Pick up any Macintosh magazine, look for the APS ad. They have an 800 number, take plastic and ship Fed-EX and the best music-on-hold that I've ever heard. You should be able to buy an Archive Python DAT drive for $1400 or so in an external enclosure. Get a SCSI cable for $35 or so. Then you can get SafetyNet from Systemix Software for $99 to do file archiving and backup and you're done. Oh, and you'll probably want to buy some DAT tapes for $13 each or so. This is what I use, and it works. louie
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Zyxel, NXFax question Message-ID: <1ku2v0INN9o1@ni.umd.edu> Date: 5 Feb 93 16:00:32 GMT References: <1ks68bINN5oo@tamsun.tamu.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park In article <1ks68bINN5oo@tamsun.tamu.edu> andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) writes: >Hi, > >I have a question about Zyxel and NXFax: I recently received a flyer >from a company offering a 'package' containing the Zyxel 1496e >modem and NXFax for $600. I'm wondering why the high price for >this package when I've seen on c.s.n.m the possibility of getting >just the modem for about $300. NXFax is listed as $135 in this >flyer. My question is: what happens when I get just the modem? >Does the NeXT have all the drivers necessary to run the modem (I have >3.0 on a '040 cube)? Could I use the modem for faxing, and dialing >up to school at 14.4K (using kermit for the latter)? If so, what >benefits does NXFax give me? (ie. what exactly is NXFax) First, you have to be careful when comparing prices. There are multiple models of the ZyXEL modem: the 1496E, 1496E+, 1496+ in increasing order of price. The last has a fancy LCD display with menus and stuff and is a bit more expensive than the 1496E which doesn't have the display. I have a 1496E modem and have been happy with it. I don't recall what modem is bundled with the NXFax package. I am using the NXFax software on a ZyXEL modem and it works just great. The company is great to deal with as well. You can certainly buy a ZyXEL modem from anyone you like and use it with the NXFax software (provide you have a relatively recent version of firmware in the modem). What you get from B&W Software (the folks that market NXFax) is a complete package: modem, cable, and software. Take it out of the box and plug it in. No worries about firmware versions, etc. Of course, you could probably put the same thing together piece by piece for a lower dollar cost. The NeXT doesn't come bundled with FAX drivers for the ZyXEL modem; that's what the NXFax software gets you (as well as a nifty monitor program so you can tell what's going on). You can use the modem as-is with kermit or tip without the NXFax software. If you don't buy a package from B&W, make sure you buy a cable for the modem that supports hardware flow control. louie
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Date: 5 Feb 1993 15:28:07 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1ku127INNblf@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993Feb5.081440.2966@nimno.wpa.com> In article <1993Feb5.081440.2966@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: #I don't know if this is a stupid question or not, but here goes! :-) # #When using thin ethernet, must the T-connector actually be attached to #the computer, or is it permissible to run a length of cable from the T #to the ethernet port on the computer? Here's a crude diagram: # # / T-connector #--------------------------------===----------------------------------- # | # | # | # | # | # | 8 - 10' length of cable # | # | # | # | # ==================== # = = # = = # = slab = # = = # = = # = = # ==================== # #I usually see setups that have the T right on the back of the computer. #But it seems like the above should work. I'm just trying to clean up #cable clutter, but didn't know if this is "legal" or not. Any #suggestions? # #Thanks. # #John Bartley #john@wpa.com No. This will not work (although it would be nice if it did). We had a professor here once wire up a lab of suns with the above scheme... boy did it cause problems.... :-) We had to cut off his access to our backbone (he, he)... He now consults us for all wiring questions... -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Zyxel, NXFax question Date: 5 Feb 1993 14:18:19 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1kui2bINNbe4@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1ks68bINN5oo@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1ku2v0INN9o1@ni.umd.edu> I've been asked by a few people to post a summary. All the usual disclaimers apply... 1. What is NXFax? It is software that enables you to use the zyxel modem as a fax modem. Some say that the NeXT does not come with any drivers that work for the zyxel. One big advantage with NXFax is that it arbitrates the incoming or outgoing calls so that you can use it for dialing up and faxing w/out tweaking the option via the printmanager. I have the DoveFax modem, and that is exactly what you have to do for that modem. Some say that the next does come with all the drivers necessary to run the modem. But the implication is that you'd have to use print manager to switch between fax and data service. Also, it appears that the next FaxDaemon loses incoming faxes. This is reportedly a bug in 3.0. 2. The ZyXEL modem types: 1496e - LED lights | cheapest 1496e+ | V 1496+ | V 1496s - LCD display with menus and things.| most expensive I can only vouch for the 'e' and 's' models since I've received a brochure from B&W software about them. As far as bundling, B&W offers at least two packages, bundling NXFax with either the 'e' or 's' models. The 'e' model bundle is $600, the 's' model bundle is $850. I believe that this includes the cable and everything necessary to plug and play. There are no educational discounts from B&W. George Soules from bandw.com (george@bandw.com) reports that "Most importantly, the S supports 4-wire leased lines." 3. Where to get the stuff: You can try george@bandw.com for the bundled packages as described above. Most people that went with B&W said they enjoyed the company and service. You can also try to buy the modem and NXFax separately: bandw.com: modem + NXFax: $600 or $850 as above modem: available from MicroNet $350 available from SoftwarePlus $425, contact: 1-817-387-NeXT (info and international orders) 1-800-ALL-NeXT (orders only) NXFax: from B&W software (try george@bandw.com) for $135 NOTES: It appears that getting the modem and NXFax separately comes out cheaper, but you might not necessarily get the cable with that, and from all the responses I got, you get the BLACK modem only from B&W. Other sources will get you the white version. Thanks to all that responded! -- -- Andrew Duchowski -- this -- -- Texas A&M University -- space -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail) -- intentionally -- -- andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail) -- blank --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <1993Feb5.191023.4938@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates References: <1993Feb5.081440.2966@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 19:10:23 GMT In article <1993Feb5.081440.2966@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: >When using thin ethernet, must the T-connector actually be attached to >the computer, or is it permissible to run a length of cable from the T to >the ethernet port on the computer? >I usually see setups that have the T right on the back of the computer. >But it seems like the above should work. I'm just trying to clean up >cable clutter, but didn't know if this is "legal" or not. Any >suggestions? The nearly-unanimous response was that this is a big no-no! Thanks to all who responded. I thought I had seen an arrangement before though, so I went back and started poking around in the Black Box catalog. As it turns out, they sell a product called "FastTap for ThinNet" that basically amounts to the same arrangement as I was asking about. This is a barrel that slips over the ethernet and screws in to tap the line. There is a special connector on the cable end, with a BNC connector for the computer end of cables that they sell in lengths of 6 to 25 feet. I'm really confused now. This stuff comes from AMP, I think. Is it safe to use, or are they really bending the rules and getting away it? (Page L12 of the January 1993 Black Box catalog, if you're curious!) Thanks. John Bartley
From: kwei@titan.ucs.umass.edu (William Wei) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Anyone try to hookup NeXT CD-ROM drive to a PC? Date: 5 Feb 1993 15:55:53 -0500 Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1kuk8pINN331@titan.ucs.umass.edu> Especially under MS-Windows 3.1.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) Subject: Re: SCSI Errors Message-ID: <1993Jan29.142034.11716@ccsi.com> Sender: jcorallo@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jan27.154847.3953@nic.csu.net> Distribution: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 14:20:34 GMT In article <1993Jan27.154847.3953@nic.csu.net> writes: > > I have a NeXT Cube with a Hitachi drive. > > Recently I get the following when the NeXT slows down... > > Target 2: BUSY: retry 1 > Target 2: BUSY: retry 2 > .... > .... > .... > .... > Target 2: BUSY: retry 16 > > > Then I get. > > sd0(1,0):scsi_timer:timeout op:0x28 sd_state:7 scsi status:0x0 > sd1(2,0):ERROR op:0x0 sd_d sd_state:2 scsi status:0x0 > > > Is there something wrong with my HD or with the controller on > my Cube? > > -Victor Quevedo > vqueved@nextlab.calstatela.edu (NeXT Mail) > vqueved@neptune.calstatela.edu (NonNeXT Mail) Check your SCSI termination on the drive to see if the SCSI chain is properly terminated. -John Corallo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kloubek@fraser.sfu.ca (Bill Kloubek) Subject: Sony V-Box and the NeXT Message-ID: <kloubek.728950158@sfu.ca> Summary: Is there support for the VBox and NeXT? Keywords: SONY VBOX RS232 Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 22:09:18 GMT I had a question from a person who is looking to hook up a Sony V-Box up to his NeXTStation. The VBox is supposed to allow control of up to 7 VCR and such via a RS232C interface. The gentleman was inquiring as to if the NeXT serial interface will handle it, (which it LOOKS like to me from the manuals according to NextAdmin - cabling.rtfd)... Is there any software out there which will support the VBox? (Apparently the documentation for the VBox is quite expensive and lengthy; and this guy would rather not have to contract out to have somebody write something for him..) PS: Please excuse my ignorance if this has popped up in here before, I am still catching up on my reading and such... As well, the proliferation of "flames" on netnews always makes me worried to post something utterly ignorant... *sigh*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Anyone try to hookup NeXT CD-ROM drive to a PC? Message-ID: <C201zC.8xD@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1kuk8pINN331@titan.ucs.umass.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 23:45:11 GMT In article <1kuk8pINN331@titan.ucs.umass.edu> kwei@titan.ucs.umass.edu (William Wei) writes: >Especially under MS-Windows 3.1. Just get either the Corel SCSI drivers or ones from Trantor. After all, the NeXT CD-ROM is just a Sony-541. Philip McDunnough philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel 80x86-based NeXT computers Date: 6 Feb 1993 02:17:42 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1kv746$n1p@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Feb5.212457.9811@cs.ucla.edu> In article <1993Feb5.212457.9811@cs.ucla.edu> esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu (Eskandar Ensafi) writes: >OK, supposing NeXT moves to the 80x86 family _or_ Intel builds a machine for >them... What about a DSP? I would like to know about this too. Nothing is mentioned on the DSP in the latest Hardware Compatibility Guide for NeXTSTEP/Intel. There will be general support for sound recording/playback as it says: "Sound Support - Several popular PC sound cards will be supported for both playback and recording. These include PC sound adapters such as the MediaVision Pro Audio Spectrum, Sound Blaster Pro and Integrated Business Audio from Compaq. A sound card is optional." But these cards don't have DSP56001 needed for MusicKit and other good stuff possible with the DSP. Hardware-wise, there is already a PC-bus card from Ariel Corp (Model PC-56D) with a DSP56001, upto 128kx24 RAM, and most importantly a NeXT DSP port. Porting low-level sound/DSP driver for this board should be possible. Stanford's CCRMA is now maitaining and distributing the MusicKit and DSP tools, but the low-level sound/DSP driver is not included in the source distribution (source for functions defined in <sound/sounddriver.h>). And I am not sure if CCRMA or NeXT is responsible for the sound/DSP driver. I don't mind DSP hardware becoming optional on future NeXTSTEP platforms, but I would like to see the same driver interface to it on NS/Intel. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Intel 80x86-based NeXT computers Message-ID: <C20Mq0.IHJ@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Feb5.212457.9811@cs.ucla.edu> <1kv746$n1p@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 07:13:12 GMT In article <1kv746$n1p@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu writes: [Regarding PC sound under NS...] > >"Sound Support - Several popular PC sound cards will be supported for >both playback and recording. These include PC sound adapters such as >the MediaVision Pro Audio Spectrum, Sound Blaster Pro and Integrated >Business Audio from Compaq. A sound card is optional." > >But these cards don't have DSP56001 needed for MusicKit and other >good stuff possible with the DSP. Hmm...one only has to listen to these cards to realize what is up. Clearly audio, sound, etc...has lost out to spreadsheets and their extensions. I would hardly call what comes out of the FM-based SB() and Pro Audio Spectrum () cards sound. It's noise. They do handle business usage though, and after all isn't that what everyone wanted? [ ] Philip McDunnough philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Flat Panel Display Hardware (ObNS486) Message-ID: <1993Feb5.120832.5605@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Feb3.152701.24685@bmw.mayo.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1993 12:08:32 GMT In article <1993Feb3.152701.24685@bmw.mayo.edu> brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) writes: > In light of the search for the perfect NS486 platform. > > Mayo is currently looking for the following hardware, for use > in diagnostic areas.... There are some who want these systems > to run NeXTSTEP (and still others wanting them to run UniFace on top > Windows and/or X), but the bottom line is we are looking for a monitor/drive > technology fulfilling a majority of the following specs: > > 17" diagonal > Less than 12" depth (front to back) > 1280*1024 pixels > 256 colors or better > 72Khz or better scan rate > X11, Windows 3.1, NT (hey, I didn't spec this) or NS486 support > > If you know of a company that supplies such technology, please let me know. NEC is sampling a 13inch color flat panel display with a resolution of 1280 x 1024. There was an article about it in Electronic News in July 92 or so. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Date: 6 Feb 1993 09:20:15 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <1l0hevINNl36@digex.digex.com> References: <108843@bu.edu> <C1ouMo.7nn@news.cis.umn.edu> >>I have heard from people at NeXT that not only will NeXTSTEP be a lower >>price (if they can convince Jobs that he will sell more copies that way), >>but that NeXTSTEP will be unbundled from future NeXT hardware. So it will not >>really matter what platform you are using; you will ahve to pay for that >>killer OS :( > > >This has got to be a joke. Unbundle NeXTstep from NeXT hardware? Whatever >for? What options exist aside from NeXTstep for NeXT hardware? What good >would a NeXT be without its operating system (unless Microsoft is planning >on an NT port to NeXT). Apple unbundled the Mac OS from the Mac hardware. How many third-party platforms does the Mac OS run on? Unbundling helps to seperate the cost of OS development from the hardware development costs. That way you keep paying for development of the OS even though you already have the hardware. - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Date: 6 Feb 1993 15:23:01 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1l0l4lINNlj6@ni.umd.edu> References: <1993Feb5.081440.2966@nimno.wpa.com> <1993Feb5.191023.4938@nimno.wpa.com> In article <1993Feb5.191023.4938@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > >This is a barrel that slips over the ethernet and screws in to tap the line. >There is a special connector on the cable end, with a BNC connector for the >computer end of cables that they sell in lengths of 6 to 25 feet. > >I'm really confused now. This stuff comes from AMP, I think. Is it safe to >use, or are they really bending the rules and getting away it? > >(Page L12 of the January 1993 Black Box catalog, if you're curious!) If you look very carefully, I think you'll find that the cables they sell are actually a pair of coaxial cables in one sheath. So you're effectively still bringing a loop of the thin ethernet to the back of your machine. On the other hand, if you spend a little more on equipment and use 10Base-T ethernet over twisted pair cable rather than thin ethernet, you will save yourself much money and suffereing later since it works much more reliably than thin ethernet. Just note what a previous poster mentioned about the guy hooking up his lab wrong and hosing his network. You don't have these problems with 10Base-T ethernet. Louis Mamakos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lemson@uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <C21I67.IMp@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Feb5.081440.2966@nimno.wpa.com> <1993Feb5.191023.4938@nimno.wpa.com> <1l0l4lINNlj6@ni.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 18:32:17 GMT louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >On the other hand, if you spend a little more on equipment and use >10Base-T ethernet over twisted pair cable rather than thin ethernet, >you will save yourself much money and suffereing later since it works >much more reliably than thin ethernet. Just note what a previous >poster mentioned about the guy hooking up his lab wrong and hosing his >network. You don't have these problems with 10Base-T ethernet. This makes a lot of sense for offices (especially on campuses like ours that have a whole separate 'B-jack' on each telephone jack outlet that can be wired to a hub in the wiring closet extremely easily). However, in a lab it doesn't make much sense. What we do is (ideally... this costs some money to implement...) separate machines into 4 or 5 machine rows and use a separate run off a thin ethernet repeater to each row. Requires a separate pull from the wiring closet to each row, but if one row breaks, it is isolated from the rest of the net. Of course, this does nothing to do network traffic like some smart 10 BaseT hubs can do. To run 10BaseT in a lab requires a separate twisted pair pull from the concentrator to each machine... ugh. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: David Lemson <lemson@uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Zyxel, NXFax question Message-ID: <C21IAn.Izs@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1ks68bINN5oo@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1ku2v0INN9o1@ni.umd.edu> <1kui2bINNbe4@tamsun.tamu.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 18:34:57 GMT andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) writes: > with that, and from all the responses I got, you get > the BLACK modem only from B&W. Other sources will get you the > white version. Boston Peripherals offered to sell me one in a black case for $50 extra when I bought my U-1496E from them. I elected to get the white, save a bit of money, and hide it under my desk. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: larry@netcom.com (Larry Cordner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: **** NeXTCube FOR SALE **** Message-ID: <1993Feb6.194452.17025@netcom.com> Date: 6 Feb 93 19:44:52 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) For sale NeXTCube + Software: 16Mb RAM 400Mb Hard Drive 2.88Mb Floppy Drive 25Mhz 68040 Mono MegaPixel Display NeXT CD-ROM Drive & Cable NeXTStep 3.0 Installed Microphone Pro Lotus Improv Also includes a some books, "The NeXT Bible", Doug Clapp "Programming the Display Postscript System with NeXTStep", Adobe Sys. "Display Postscript Programming", David A. Holzgang "The NeXT Book", Bruce F. Webster NeXT Technical Docs, for 2.0 Basic NeXT Docs Asking $6,500.00 or BO. I will pay shipping costs to anywhere in the U.S.A. Larry Cordner larry@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mp@rob.cs.tu-bs.de (Martin DL8OAU) Subject: Apple CD 150 with NeXT Message-ID: <mp.729019568@dagobert> Sender: postnntp@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Mr. Nntp Inews Entry) Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik (Bueltenweg), Germany Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 17:26:08 GMT Hello, I have connected a CD 150 (Apple) with my NeXT-Station, and seems to work in principle. NS3.0 disc can be read correctly. But I have problems to use the program CD-Player to play an audio CD. Any idea or experience ? Thanks in advance, Martin.
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: SCSI Disconnect Distribution: world Message-ID: <dillon.0ugm@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> References: <3022@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> <C1My8p.DMD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 31 Jan 93 13:38:48 PST Organization: Not an Organization In article <C1My8p.DMD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> b-bohlmann@uiuc.edu (Brian Bohlmann) writes: >In article <3022@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim >Cathey) writes: >> Does NeXT implement disconnect/reconnect on their SCSI bus? I was >> playing with my 030 cube yesterday, moving junk from QIC tape to OD and >> HD, and whenever the tape opened or rewound the whole machine came to a >> screeching halt. Uncool. Even our old junk does disconnect/reconnect. > >-- >NeXT "requires" any scsi device you attach to have the >disconnect/reconnect feature. Info from NeXT. This, I believe, is called 'reselection'. It allows large writes to a relatively slow SCSI device such as a tape drive to be interrupted by writes to other SCSI devices (such as a hard drive). Otherwise your machine would come to a screeching stop whenever you use the tape drive. So, if your machine *is* comming to a screeching halt then either the device does not support reselection or the NeXT doesn't. -Matt >-- >Brian Bohlmann >University of Illinois, Champaign/Urbana >Computing & Communications Services Office >email: bohlmann@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu >phone: 217-244-5409 -- Matthew Dillon dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US 1005 Apollo Way uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
From: dlw@netcom.com (David L. Williams) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: TTYDSP/030/NS3.0/& RZ Message-ID: <1993Feb8.015552.2780@netcom.com> Date: 8 Feb 93 01:55:52 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) is anyone successfully using TTYDSP with a ZyXEL U-1496E and the 030 cube running 3.0? I can connect up to other machines via tip & MicroPhone Pro, but I can NOT download via sz/rz combinations...it just hangs on me. David Williams dlw@netcom.com
From: caesar@dbulm1.uucp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: problems with twisted pair ethernet Message-ID: <434.2b7643d1@dbulm1.uucp> Date: 8 Feb 93 11:28:17 +0100 Organization: Daimler-Benz, Institut f. Informationstechnik We changed our network organisation from thin-ethernet to twisted pair. Our ethernet segment contains 12 NeXT. There are 8 'old' (25MHz) NeXT and 4 Turbo NeXT Stations. Our ethernet segment is organized as follows: +------------+ +-------------+ +--------+ | | | |---- 4 NeXT (25Mhz) | bridge |--| 4 Fan-Out |---------|concentrator |---- 4 Turbo-NeXT (33Mhz) +--------+ | | | | +------------+ +-------------+ | | | +----------- sun | | +-------------+ | | | +---------------------|concentrator |---- 4 NeXT (25Mhz) | | +-------------+ The communication between Turbo-NeXT and 25Mhz NeXT at the same concentrator is ok. Even the communication between 25Mhz NeXT and the rest of the world is ok. But there are problems with the communication between the Turbo NeXTs and all machines behind the concentrator (NeXTs at the other concentrator, sun and also other machines behind the bridge). ping shows a packet loss between 10% and 30% when a Turbo NeXT tries to communicate with a machine behind the concentrator. It seems to me that the time limit which control the packet loss is to small on Turbo NeXTs. May be this limit depends on the system frequency and is not justified when changing to Turbo NeXTs. Because the detection of packet loss is software depended, it should be configured by software. Does anybody knows how to configure this time limit or has anybody similar problems? Torsten Caesar Daimler-Benz Research Center Tel.: ++49 731 505 2117 Fax: ++49 731 505 4105 E-Mail: caesar@dbulm1.uucp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dickson@iris.psu.edu (Scott Dickson) Subject: How to attach Micropolis 1924-21 Message-ID: <jy21Hvmtgc@atlantis.psu.edu> Sender: news@atlantis.psu.edu (Usenet) Organization: Penn State Center for Academic Computing Date: Mon, 08 Feb 93 15:05:17 GMT I know this must be a FAQ, but I just inherited a NeXT Station running NS 2.0 and was then given a Micropolis 1924-21 2.4GB disk and was told to make it work. How does one go about labeling and building filesystems on the Micropolis under NS 2.0? --SCott Dickson dickson@iris.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <1993Feb8.145339.23237@bmw.mayo.edu> Sender: newsman@bmw.mayo.edu (Usenet News Administrator) Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus References: <1l0l4lINNlj6@ni.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 14:53:39 GMT In article <1l0l4lINNlj6@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: > In article <1993Feb5.191023.4938@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > > Description of a 10Base2 implementation > On the other hand, if you spend a little more on equipment and use > 10Base-T ethernet over twisted pair cable rather than thin ethernet, > you will save yourself much money and suffereing later since it works > much more reliably than thin ethernet. Just note what a previous > poster mentioned about the guy hooking up his lab wrong and hosing his > network. You don't have these problems with 10Base-T ethernet. > > Louis Mamakos Well, having spent $12,000 learning otherwise, I guess I have to say it's just not that easy. 10BaseT will generate as many problems as 10Base2 if the same lack of knowledge in the specification and same lack of quality components are used in it's implementation. We just evaluated in "in the wall" 10BaseT plant, and it's a mess. Wire pullers can't believe that ethernet on UTP is more sensitive than your desk phone ("What do you mean your getting noice on the line? Our AT&T tester runs from 0 to 10Khz and didn't see a problem. Oh. 22Mhz. No, ain't got a tester for that? What the hell runs at 22mhz... cable TV? Well, the cable does run by an transformer in the closet for an X-Ray machine... Gotta pull it there, that's where the cable tray is.... Length? What does length matter? by the blueprint's it appears to be about 220 feet. TDR it? What the hell is a TDR?"). We have just installed 2 bridges to 'protect' our network servers from bad UTP connected to clients. Somewhere in the mess are at least 2 lines generating noise that is causing all sorts of hell with our packets (most noticably NFS), in the form of CRC errors, collisions, excessive deferrals, and what not. We found 2 other lines that were noisy on the recieve pair (on the station) which explained why these clients had so many retransmit requests to their servers. Being dependant on another department (and it's subcontractors) to pull and validate our wiring has caught up with us. They didn't completely understand the ethernet spec, nor did they have the proper equipment to validate the cable as it was installed. We are now literally throwing hardware at the UTP problem. Later this year, we plan on fixing the problem by tearing down one the buildings ;-). Also, we will have to look at judicious use of STP in some our more 'noisy' buildings. I agree with Louie that 10BaseT is a better way to hook up workgroups and clients as compared with 10Base2 or 10Base5 ethernet designs. However, once you start building an ethernet, no matter what media you use, you have got to know what you are doing. -- - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Sender: news@acs.ucalgary.ca (USENET News System) Message-ID: <93Feb08.162758.43490@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 93 16:27:58 GMT Distribution: na References: <108843@bu.edu> <C1ouMo.7nn@news.cis.umn.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta In article <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> lupson@geom.umn.edu (Linus Upson) writes: > > ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) > ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ > Everyone seems to be forgetting that 1024 * 768 * 2 = 1,572,864 > bytes... In article <108843@bu.edu> mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) writes: > Hmmm. Sorry, I disagree with your math. In a 256 color > mode, you have 1 byte per pixel. Now at 1024x768 with 256 > colors, you get 786,432 bytes, NOT 1,572,864. Now, if you > wanted 16 bit color, then you would come out to the figure you > mentioned. But the 1 meg card is NOT limited to 2bit gray at > 1024x768. In article <1keetsINNk6f@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) writes: > > Bzzzt. > > 1024 * 768 * 2 = 1,572,864 BITS > > > > The machine above does 1024x768x 256 colors (8-bit ) no problem > > With an additional MB of RAM on the Video board it'll do > > (16-bit) 64 Kcolors. > I am sorry for the confusion; both of these posters are correct. > The ATI Ultra Pro with one meg of video ram can do 1024 pixels by > 768 pixels with 256 colors from a 6 or 8 bit per channel > colormap. According to all announcements/postings/rumors, > however, NS486 cannot. > Linus Upson > lupson@geom.umn.edu Arrrrghh! While NeXTstep supports 16-bit color that's ONLY FOR BACKING STORE! Alpha values aren't used by very many video cards (even the NeXTdimension only uses 1 bit of alpha for display purposes!). The frame buffer only needs to be 12 bits deep: ( 1024 * 768 * 12 ) / 8 = 1,179,648 or just over 1 meg (does that give you any hints why NeXT used an odd sounding resolution for their machines? Yes! 1120 by 832 yields decent VRAM usage at most pixel depths...) Blake Stone bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bestor@cs.wisc.edu (Gareth S. Bestor) Subject: Wren hard disk question? Message-ID: <1993Feb8.213356.21626@cs.wisc.edu> Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 21:33:56 GMT I purchased a used Cube which came with (I think) at WrenV hard disk. I believe the raw unformatted capacity of these is 660MB. Formatted I get 573MB. Thats about 14% lost in formatting. I was wondering whether: 1) Yes this is a WrenV (as opposed to IV, VI, or XXX) 2) The raw size is 660MB (as opposed to 600 or thereabouts) 3) Can I squeeze any more space out of it by reformatting with a different disktab. I've looked thru the Wren disktabs on the archives and they seem to confirm that it is a 660MB WrenV, and that 573MB is all you can expect to get after formatting. Anyone out there with one of these that knows differently? Anyone have a disktab for it that's "better" (faster, larger, both)? Thanks in advance, - Gareth --- Gareth S. Bestor U. of Wisconsin-Madison Computer Sciences Dept. | Inst. for Research on Poverty Internet: bestor@cs.wisc.edu | DECnet: SSCC::BESTOR (608) 262-6601 | (608) 262-7377 NeXTmail: bestor@jabberwocky.cs.wisc.edu "A University should be a place of light, of liberty, and of learning." - Disraeli (House of Commons, 1873)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu (Vince Netz) Subject: The new keyboard Message-ID: <C25I0D.L3H@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 22:19:14 GMT I just got in several new NeXT's with the 4000B monitor, and like the new keyboard - so much so that I'd love to throw out the keyboard on my older machine and replace it. But, I don't wanna buy a new monochrome monitor for that machine. So, is there any way that a new keyboard can be attached to an old monitor, or am I stuck? -- ____ Vince Netz vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu \ / Senior Consultant Office: +1 612-626-3136 \/ University of Minnesota Hospital FAX: +1 612-626-3524
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS486 harwdare comaptibility guide posted to sonata Message-ID: <1993Feb9.120635.657@otago.ac.nz> From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson), University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Date: 9 Feb 93 12:06:34 +1300 Keywords: NS486 Hardware I have just posted a PostScript file of the NeXTSTEP 486 pre-release hardware compatibility guide just release by NeXT to potential beta-testers. It lives in /pub/next/submissions/NS486.Compatibility.Guide.ps.Z The message accompanying the guide stated that beta testers should have their CD-ROM in their hands by 8 March 1993. All the arguments are over, NS486 is here, and beta testing when NeXT said it would 8-) Alastair
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Message-ID: <UfRhQIu00WB=4zVNBO@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 16:56:36 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: How to attach Micropolis 1924-21 In-Reply-To: <jy21Hvmtgc@atlantis.psu.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 8-Feb-93 How to attach Micropolis 19.. by Scott Dickson@iris.psu.e > I know this must be a FAQ, but I just inherited a NeXT Station running > NS 2.0 and was then given a Micropolis 1924-21 2.4GB disk and was told > to make it work. > > How does one go about labeling and building filesystems on the Micropolis > under NS 2.0? Simple: Turn off the computer. Attach the 2.4GB disk to the SCSI bus. Make sure that you have proper cabling, termination, and that the SCSI target number on the 2.4GB drive is unique. Also, make sure that the drive's jumpers are properly configured. (Consult the drive's manual, but it's likely that the default settings are correct.). Power on the computer. Log in as root. The Workspace will give you a dialogue box: "Do you want to inizitialize Hard Disk at SCSI target 3" (or something close)...hit 'yes'. The drive will be formatted, the filesystem built, and the disk will be mounted. ----- If you need to do something more complex, read the manpages for: BuildDisk, disk, newfs, mkfs, and tunefs Also, try consulting the System Administrator's manual. Note that now would be a really good time to upgrade your system to NeXTstep 3.0.... -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (Michael Suk-Young Chwe) Subject: How to make HD quieter? Message-ID: <1993Feb8.154322.626@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 15:43:22 GMT I have a Fujitsu M2266SA hard drive (1G) in a drive enclosure made by Sigma, and the whole thing (especially the power supply fan) is just a little too loud. The drive itself is rumored to be loud, I guess, and the metal case is an effective sound board. Otherwise, I am happy with the drive and it works just fine. I have thought about putting the whole thing in a large cardboard box (large enough so that air flow through the drive(with holes punched in it for air) to muffle the sound. Would this cause the drive to overheat? How about replacing the power supply fan? Putting packing material around the drive (carefully so as not to cover up air intake holes)? Putting the whole thing in a steel file cabinet? Are these dumb ideas? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Michael Chwe Department of Economics University of Chicago
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jland@nwu.edu (John Landwehr) Subject: HP Wizard 9600 compatibility wanted Message-ID: <1993Feb9.043221.24572@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 04:32:21 GMT I was asked to check and see if there are any apps that offer connectivity to the new Wizard pocket organizer. Anyone have any thoughts on this? -- John Landwehr NeXT Campus Consultant jland@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Feb8.183407.12722@black.toppoint.de> Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V. References: <1993Jan29.051941.3782@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 18:34:07 GMT Reproduktion, auch auszugsweise, ausserhalb elektronischer, nichtkommerzieller Datennetze nur mit ausdruecklichem, schriftlichem Einverstaendnis des Autors. In <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> lupson@geom.umn.edu (Linus Upson) writes: >> ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM) > ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ >Everyone seems to be forgetting that 1024 * 768 * 2 = 1,572,864 bytes. >The machine above can only do 2 bit gray (not to mention that even if it >had the memory, most PC video cards are hard wired to only do color maps). Excuse me: 1024*768 are 786432 Pixel. A byte per Pixel gives you 768 KB for 8 Bit gray or colormapped color. The machine above can do 256 gray shades. A machine with 1,572,864 Bytes of video memory can do 65536 colors, that is 16 times more colors than a color station has. Kristian -- "Was macht das Fraktal im Buchenwald?" -- Georg Hoermann
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ploeger@aplki.toppoint.de (Andreas Ploeger) Subject: Re: NeXT CD-ROM drive on a SPARC? Message-ID: <1993Feb8.222216.717@aplki.toppoint.de> Sender: ploeger@aplki.toppoint.de Organization: Andreas Ploeger References: <1993Feb5.090827.26522@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 22:22:16 GMT In article <1993Feb5.090827.26522@netcom.com> vin@netcom.com (Vin Locke) writes: > Has anyone succeeded in using a NeXT CD ROM drive on a SPARC clone or a > Sun? There was an article in Germany's i'x magazine 1/93, p. 164 describing how to put additional firmware (Sony CDU-8012) into NeXT's Sony Drives (Sony CDU-541 Rev 2.6a). Then you can switch between these two firmware versions with an external switch. For the Sun the Sony CDU-8012 firmware is used. Andreas -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Ploeger E-Mail: ploeger@tpki.toppoint.de Kiel University Phone: (49) 431 597 1757 Clinic for Pediatric Cardiology FAX: (49) 431 597 1828 Schwanenweg 20, 2300 Kiel 1, Germany *** NeXT Mail welcome *** -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Ploeger E-Mail: ploeger@tpki.toppoint.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: Mac vs. NeXT serial ports Message-ID: <1993Feb9.124810.6620@alf.uib.no> Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 12:48:10 GMT Could someone quickly summarize the difference between NeXT's and Mac's serial port pin assignments. I just sold a Fax/Modem to a Mac user, and I remember I altered the standard Mac cable to work on my NeXT, but I don't remember how, and it doesn't work on his Macintosh... Hardware: Mac LC, NeXT cube 040 Modem: WorldPort 2496 Cable: Standard Mac issue with some minor :-) adjustments Please e-mail replies. Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
From: ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Michael Amirault) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Archive Tape Drive Problem! Message-ID: <109818@bu.edu> Date: 9 Feb 93 14:27:54 GMT Sender: news@bu.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware I just received an Archive Viper 2150 1/4" tape drive yesterday. I haven't been able to get it to work yet. Installation was fairly easy and the system sees the drive okay but every command to the drive results in a an i/o type error with the following appearing on the console: st: cmd = 0x15 sr_io_status = 2H Sense key = 0x5 Sense Code = 0x0 Does anyone know what the problem is? Thanks for the help, Mike Amirault ambi@it-next2.bu.edu
From: mikes@ceco.ceco.com (Michael Stepniczka) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Mounting CDs Summary: Having trouble mounting CDs Message-ID: <873@ceco.ceco.com> Date: 8 Feb 93 22:45:04 GMT Organization: Commonwealth Edison Co., Chicago, IL I've been having problems getting my system (NS3.0 on NeXTstation w/ NeXT CD-ROM drive) to recognize anything other than the 3.0 upgrade and educational CDs. Music CDs will stay in if I have the CDplayer app running, but I can't seem to find any way to recognize ISO9660 or High Sierra disks. Do I need some special software for this? The CD ROM manual says that they are supported. I've tried mounting from the terminal shell, but haven't had any luck with that either. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Mike Stepniczka
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rickc@cube.cemi.unt.edu (Rick Chatham) Subject: Connecting a QMS 410? Message-ID: <1993Feb9.165911.13025@mercury.unt.edu> Sender: usenet@mercury.unt.edu (UNT USENet Adminstrator) Organization: University of North Texas Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 16:59:11 GMT A friend of mine just purchased a NeXTStation. He is having problems getting his QMS 410 laser printer working. He is using the serial port on the printer. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Rick Chatham <rickc@cemi.unt.edu>
From: mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: How hard to hook up color scsi monitor to Next Mono? Date: 9 Feb 93 18:55:13 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <mfausett.729284113@kirin> Probably just showing my ignorance; How hard would it really be to write the drive to hookup one of the connerciallyavailible mac scsi-interface monitors (you know, the ones that radius, etc., make to hookup some powerbooks) to a Mono Next? Presuming you could find one supporting color might this be a route to color for a mono cube/slab? Just wondering; Mark Fausett mfausett@bbn.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: rajesh@longhair.cs.unlv.edu (Rajesh Viswanathan) Subject: Re: Intel to build the next NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Feb9.192847.10020@unlv.edu> Sender: news@unlv.edu (News User) Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering References: <1993Feb2.154305.10760@afs.com> <faIi02Ph34aV01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 19:28:47 GMT In article <faIi02Ph34aV01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) writes: ) From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) ) Subject: Re: Intel to build the next NeXT? ) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 09:16:08 PST ) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA ) ) In article <1993Feb2.154305.10760@afs.com>, greg@afs.com (Gregory H. ) Anderson) writes: ) >From everyone's most quotable spy, Robert X. Cringely, comes this "Note ) >>from the Field" in InfoWorld (2/1/93): ) > ) > "Intel is making a few inroads against Motorola, having gotten Next ) >Inc. ) >to go for a 33/66-MHz 486DX2 for its upcoming low-end workstation, ) >replacing the venerable 68040. There will be a Pentium socket on the ) >motherboard, too, for power freaks. ) > "Intel will actually build the box for Next, helping Steve Jobs and ) >Co. ) >out of the hardware business. But the move to Intel has just as much to ) >do ) >with Motorola's inability to get the 68040 going faster than 33 MHz." ) > ) >Take this with the usual grain of salt and email me in the morning. ) ) I agree. I know someone at NeXT and if this were the case they would no longer ) have a job. Since this person is not fearing for his job due to Intel ) designing ) and making the next NeXT, I would have to say this is a bunch of bull. ) ) ) > ) >-- ) >Gregory H. Anderson | "History, despite its wrenching pain, Sorry to disappoint but I just received word from someone in Intel that 300 of 540 jobs in Redwood City are cut 'coz NeXT is shutting down its hw business. For all purposes then this report might actually have truth to it. -- Rajesh :: I hope if dogs ever take over the world, and they chose a king, they :: :: don't just go by size, because I bet there are some Chihuahuas with some :: :: good ideas. ::
From: rock@pangea.com (Roger Rosner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Non-NeXT printers on NeXTs--seeking recommendation Message-ID: <1993Feb7.183404.2677@pangea.com> Date: 7 Feb 93 18:34:04 GMT Sender: rock@pangea.com Organization: Pangea Corporation A friend wishes to purchase a non-NeXT PostScript laser printer to use with his NeXT, PC, and Mac. He's seen some errors using non-NeXT printers with NeXTs and wants to make sure he gets the most compatible thing available. If you have any recommendations or warnings, please send e-mail to me, rock@pangea.com. Thanks. Roger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: DSP Expansion SIMM for sale Message-ID: <1993Feb9.215928.21497@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 21:59:28 GMT For you DSP hackers out there- I am offering a 32K-word (96KByte) DSP expansion memory for sale. I got it for about $140+tax at the Bookstore and am willing to negotiate a fair price. This gives you more zero-wait-state memory to play with for hacking on the DSP 56001 on the NeXT. The NeXT has 8K (24K-bytes) of DSP memory on board. I am selling this because I am considering getting the 192K-word (576Kbyte) expansion module being offered by th@ernie.SFSU.EDU for $600. (Contact him if you are interested in that module instead). Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ISDN extender.... Date: 9 Feb 1993 23:26:37 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1l9ejdINNcf9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> If I have regular POTS service what can the extender (or adapter) do for my station? Can it intelligently route calls like a voice mail system? (I think with that answering machine code right?) Can it tell if a call is fax or not? Where does that NSFax software fit into the gig. Please email replies but I will continue to monitor the group so you can post them if you want.... CW
From: quarrie@darth.lbl.gov (David R. Quarrie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Printer offsets output Date: 10 Feb 1993 00:25:21 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <28917@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Just before we send it off... I have a NeXT Printer (mono) that prints fine except that the output is shifted up and to the right by about 1 inch. I've verified that the problem is in the printer by swapping it for another one, which works ok. Any suggestions? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David R. Quarrie Lawrence Berkeley Lab MS 50B-3238 (NeXTmail ok) 1 Cyclotron Road Internet: drquarrie@lbl.gov Berkeley, CA 94720 DECnet : lbl::drquarrie Tel: (510) 486-4868 BITNET : drquarrie@lbl Fax: (510) 486-4004
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mlescoez@.trirex.com (Mark LeScoezec) Subject: Re: Exception #2 on attempted boot Message-ID: <1993Feb4.002016.5408@Trirex.COM> Sender: root@Trirex.COM (Operator) Organization: Trirex Systems Inc. References: <1993Jan29.195823.3818@imagine.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1993 00:20:16 GMT In article <1993Jan29.195823.3818@imagine.com> Harold Brokaw <harold_brokaw@imagine.com> writes: > In article <C1910r.J7r@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl> <<stuff deleted for brevity> > We have one of our machines that on initial bootup comes up with > exception #2. It will boot when issued the boot command from the > prompt. We have found that any external SCSI devices hooked to > this machine frequently have I/O errors. It seems to me that there > is some sort of SCSI hardware error happening. > > Hal Brokaw > hal@imagine.com We had the same exact problem with the same work-around. The machine has since been rebuilt and the problem has gone away. Until it was rebuilt there was some unusual floppy behavior with this machine also. -- Mark LeScoezec System Administrator Trirex Systems, Inc. ml@trirex.com NeXTmail okay
From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <3093@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> Date: 10 Feb 93 01:14:26 GMT References: <1993Feb5.081440.2966@nimno.wpa.com> <1993Feb5.191023.4938@nimno.wpa.com> <1l0l4lINNlj6@ni.umd.edu> Organization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA In article <1l0l4lINNlj6@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >On the other hand, if you spend a little more on equipment and use >10Base-T ethernet over twisted pair cable rather than thin ethernet, >you will save yourself much money and suffereing later since it works >much more reliably than thin ethernet. Just note what a previous >poster mentioned about the guy hooking up his lab wrong and hosing his >network. You don't have these problems with 10Base-T ethernet. Whose money are you spending on hubs? What happens when you want to add just one more machine to your network and the hub's full? What if you want to temporarily put an extra machine in your office for a few days and you've only got one wire pair pulled? Give me Cheapernet any day, you can keep your Phoneynet. We have hundreds of nodes on our Cheapernet installation here, and two or three 8-port Cheapernet repeaters. Only rarely do we ever have a problem (one or two times a year some bozo breaks a leg of the LAN), and we can easily add to our network with little or no problem, without calling Facilities to get new wires pulled and hubs bought. -- +----------------+ ! II CCCCCC ! Jim Cathey ! II SSSSCC ! ISC-Bunker Ramo ! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220 ! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com) ! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757 +----------------+ One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them. One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie.
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Date: 10 Feb 1993 02:24:23 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1l9p0nINNd0h@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1993Jan30.112624.1932@prim> Keywords: NS486, new NeXT HW In article <1993Jan30.112624.1932@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk writes: | In article <1993Jan29.051941.3782@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) writes: | | >Why don't you also include the $2,500 it is supposed to cost for NS486, | >which brings the total up to about $7,000. A color machine can be had | >for that much. | | Exactly. That is why NeXT have priced it so high: so as not to undermine | sales of their own hardware. A doomed strategy, IMO. As soon as NS486 hits | the streets, sales of NeXT hardware will collapse... ah! it's just dawned on | me why the release of NS486 has been delayed (Scott Hess's rat), it's being | delayed until _after_ the release of NeXT's new range of hardware, otherwise | the momentum of NS486 would have obliterated any interest in NeXT's own | hardware following in the wake. | | Dave Griffiths Not true. NS486 is supposed to be in the hands of beta testers March 8th, less than a month from now. Look for the new NeXT hardware May 25th at NeXTWORLD Expo. -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Greg Shannon <shannon@cs.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: NeXT Printer offsets output Message-ID: <9302100314.AA14762@cs.indiana.edu> Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University References: <28917@dog.ee.lbl.gov> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 22:14:00 -0500 >I have a NeXT Printer (mono) that prints fine except that the output is >shifted up and to the right by about 1 inch. I've verified that the >problem is in the printer by swapping it for another one, which works ok. Hmm. Should I let him stew over this one?? Same thing happened to me a few years ago. Spent a few weeks trying to solve it. Had 3 staff people working on it... I bet you didn't use different paper trays when you tried the other printer... Check the green switch on the PAPER TRAY to see that it is set to LTR instead of A4. You might have bumped it like we had. Good luck, Greg Shannon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <1993Feb9.211807.3317@ccsi.com> Sender: jcorallo@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <1l0l4lINNlj6@ni.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 21:18:07 GMT In article <1l0l4lINNlj6@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: > In article <1993Feb5.191023.4938@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > > > >This is a barrel that slips over the ethernet and screws in to tap the line. > >There is a special connector on the cable end, with a BNC connector for the > >computer end of cables that they sell in lengths of 6 to 25 feet. > > > >I'm really confused now. This stuff comes from AMP, I think. Is it safe to > >use, or are they really bending the rules and getting away it? > > > >(Page L12 of the January 1993 Black Box catalog, if you're curious!) > > If you look very carefully, I think you'll find that the cables they > sell are actually a pair of coaxial cables in one sheath. So you're > effectively still bringing a loop of the thin ethernet to the back of > your machine. > > On the other hand, if you spend a little more on equipment and use > 10Base-T ethernet over twisted pair cable rather than thin ethernet, > you will save yourself much money and suffereing later since it works > much more reliably than thin ethernet. Just note what a previous > poster mentioned about the guy hooking up his lab wrong and hosing his > network. You don't have these problems with 10Base-T ethernet. > I have worked at several places that have used the AMP connectors and they work very well. You are correct about two wires being contained with in the one wire outer sheath, there is also a switch at the wall plate that can pass the connection straight through or down a wire if one is plugged in. One big advantage of these wires is that if the wire is disconnected from the wall it will not bring down the network. One problem though is you can have the wire partly out and cause intermittent problems on the ethernet. It is better to use 10-Base-T and the cost is not far apart since the AMP cables and wall plates are fairly expensive. -John Corallo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <1993Feb9.213731.3459@ccsi.com> Sender: jcorallo@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <C21I67.IMp@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 21:37:31 GMT In article <C21I67.IMp@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@uiuc.edu writes: > louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: > > >On the other hand, if you spend a little more on equipment and use > >10Base-T ethernet over twisted pair cable rather than thin ethernet, > >you will save yourself much money and suffereing later since it works > >much more reliably than thin ethernet. Just note what a previous > >poster mentioned about the guy hooking up his lab wrong and hosing his > >network. You don't have these problems with 10Base-T ethernet. > > This makes a lot of sense for offices (especially on campuses like > ours that have a whole separate 'B-jack' on each telephone jack > outlet that can be wired to a hub in the wiring closet extremely > easily). However, in a lab it doesn't make much sense. What we do > is (ideally... this costs some money to implement...) separate > machines into 4 or 5 machine rows and use a separate run off a thin > ethernet repeater to each row. Requires a separate pull from the > wiring closet to each row, but if one row breaks, it is isolated > from the rest of the net. Of course, this does nothing to do > network traffic like some smart 10 BaseT hubs can do. To run > 10BaseT in a lab requires a separate twisted pair pull from the > concentrator to each machine... ugh. > -- You could also run a 10Base-T connector to each row and then use a 10Base-T to thin ethernet repeater for the row. This would give you the best of both worlds, without a seperate run to each machine. You can also run a 10Base-T run to the lab and use a small concentrator for the lab, either 10Base-T or thin ethernet. What we have seen to work great in labs: Run a 10Base-T run with every outlet. Then where ever you plug in a machine you can have a network connection. Expensive up front but pays for itself in the long run. -John Corallo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <1993Feb9.223852.4114@ccsi.com> Sender: jcorallo@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <1993Feb5.081440.2966@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 22:38:52 GMT In article <1993Feb5.081440.2966@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > I don't know if this is a stupid question or not, but here goes! :-) > > When using thin ethernet, must the T-connector actually be attached to > the computer, or is it permissible to run a length of cable from the T > to the ethernet port on the computer? Here's a crude diagram: > > / T-connector > --------------------------------===----------------------------------- > | > | > | > | > | > | 8 - 10' length of cable > | > | > | > | > ==================== > = = > = = > = slab = > = = > = = > = = > ==================== > > I usually see setups that have the T right on the back of the computer. > But it seems like the above should work. I'm just trying to clean up > cable clutter, but didn't know if this is "legal" or not. Any > suggestions? > The reason you cannot do this is it causes timing problems, the signal in ethernet requires precise timing. Having the signal leave the bus like that causes major timing problems and the results would be unpredictable. -John Corallo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Feb10.044919.9864@leland.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: NS486, new NeXT HW Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <1993Jan30.112624.1932@prim> <1l9p0nINNd0h@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 04:49:19 GMT In article <1l9p0nINNd0h@tamsun.tamu.edu>, daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) writes: |> In article <1993Jan30.112624.1932@prim> dave@prim.demon.co.uk writes: |> | Exactly. That is why NeXT have priced it so high: so as not to undermine |> | sales of their own hardware. A doomed strategy, IMO. As soon as NS486 hits |> | the streets, sales of NeXT hardware will collapse... ah! it's just dawned on |> | me why the release of NS486 has been delayed (Scott Hess's rat), it's being |> | delayed until _after_ the release of NeXT's new range of hardware, otherwise |> | the momentum of NS486 would have obliterated any interest in NeXT's own |> | hardware following in the wake. |> | |> | Dave Griffiths |> |> Not true. NS486 is supposed to be in the hands of beta testers March 8th, |> less than a month from now. Look for the new NeXT hardware May 25th at |> NeXTWORLD Expo. Well since NeXT just announced they are laying off 300 people and are out of the hardware business, I'd guess there was no strategy involved, just the usual overoptimistic software delivery promises. Larry Edwards
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: herring@iesd.auc.dk (B. Erickson Herring) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest In-Reply-To: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU's message of Wed, 10 Feb 93 04:49:19 GMT Message-ID: <HERRING.93Feb10091142@freja.iesd.auc.dk> Sender: news@iesd.auc.dk (UseNet News) Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University References: <1993Jan30.112624.1932@prim> <1l9p0nINNd0h@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Feb10.044919.9864@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: 10 Feb 93 09:11:42 >>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 93 04:49:19 GMT, ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards) said: LJE> Well since NeXT just announced they are laying off 300 people and are out of LJE> the hardware business, I'd guess there was no strategy involved, just the usual LJE> overoptimistic software delivery promises. Just to make sure that we are all rowing in the same direction, NeXT had not made an announcement when I went to bed last night (that was 1pm California time, which gave them a few hours to slip something past me :-). So, unless they made an announcement while I was asleep, there has been nothing said by NeXT, NeXT's employees, or Allison Thomas Associates. So far, all we have is an article by the San Francisco Chronicle (I believe) and an AP story which is derived from the above-mentioned article. Why don't we delay our hysterics until after Steve-O makes _his_ announcement. Erick -- ----- Erick Herring | Computation is the art of carefully throwing NeXT Salg og Teknik | away information [and] Life is the art of Polyteknisk Data, | carefully throwing away opportunities, an Lyngby, Danmark | interesting coincidental parallel. herring@pd.dth.dk | - Guy L. Steele Jr.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: "Yvonne S. Fried" <p00072@mail.psi.net> Subject: Medical Office NeXT Network Message-ID: <729326885.0.p00072@mail.psi.net> Sender: usenet@worldlink.com Organization: Performance Systems Int'l Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 07:45:54 GMT I am an Obstetrician/Gynecologist installing a NeXT network in a medical office building that is currently under construction. I want to use the NeXT computers as physician workstations. As such, I need access to 2 applications which run under SCO UNIX: Medical Manager which does the financial data accounting and COSTAR which does character based electronic medical records (it runs under DataTree and Intersystems Mumps). In addition to these two "legacy" programs, I would like to have access to CD-ROM based databases such as Medline, Scientific American Medicine, and some as yet to be evaluated Drug databases. I would like to incorporate imaging into the physician workstation. I would like to capture ultrasound images of developing fetuses, as well as colposcopic images or any lesions of the skin (captured via video camera). In addition, I would like to have pictures of my patients on-line as part of their medical record. Most of the data that comes into our medical office these days, can come in electronically as opposed to being on hard copy. As such I anticipate doing very little document scanning for the purpose of the medical record. however, I receive lots of "throw-away" materials that are never referenced by any CD-ROM databases because they aren't "scientific". However, they may have very clear drawings or excellent explanations for patient reference. I anticipate scanning these kinds of documents and then doing OCR or ICR to futher enable their accessibility. Breaking down this kind of endeavor into sub-parts, I am currently working on the cabling, UNIX hardware, and backup requirements. I have lots of questions about how to go about this, what kinds of hardware to use, etc. I would appreciate help from anyone who has attempted this, is attempting this, or can generalize from their experience with their own set-up to mine. In the beginning, I will have NeXTs in each examining room (#4), one in my office, one in the nurse's station and 2 in the business office. Ultimately I anticipate having as many as 14 NeXTs in the office. From speaking with some networking people, it has been suggested that I use ethernet 10baseT running TCP/IP for my connection to the SCO UNIX server with the 2 "legacy" programs. The cabling will center at one area where the UNIX server is via a "hub". This is the hardware proposal that a local vendor has suggested: 1 486 50 Mhz EISA System with 256 K Cache 16 Megabytes Ram 4x9 Simms 70 Ns 1 Super tower case with 3 fans 1 5.25 Teac Floppy 1.2 MB 1 2 serial/ 1 Parallel/ 1 Game Port 1 14" Monochrome Monitor 1 101 Keyboard 1 Colorado Internal 2.4 Gigabyte Tape Drive 1 SCO Unix Sys V 1 SCO TCP/IP 1 Pioneer Worm Subsystem 1 Pioneer CD Mini Changer Does anyone have any thoughts about the hardware mentioned above? I would appreciate any and all comments anyone might make regarding the above configuration and ideas. Any suggestions for a particular kind of hub? I would be very greatful to hear from anyone as the area where I'm living is small, population 17,000, and access to NeXT User Groups and major metropolitan centers is limited. Thanking you in advance........ Yvonne Fried, M.D.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hanzel@teal.csn.org (Karl Hanzel) Subject: How to turn the printer off? Message-ID: <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (news) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 21:28:40 GMT I'm wondering how a person might control the on/off state of an attached NeXT Printer through some sort of software mechanism. Or it has been suggested that one install a switch in the power cord. They claim that while in idle mode, it's disapaiting only 75 watts... but i wouldn't leave a 75 watt bulb burning for days on end if i wasn't using it either. The extra hum in my office isn't bad, nor is it particularly welcome. It would be worth it to me to have to wait a few minutes for it to warm up before issuing a print job on those somewhat rare occasions that i do. But then i don't know... perhaps i haven't considered all of the factors here. Opinions?... Solutions? Thanks, pax, Karl *-----> (karl@khaos.com NeXT Mail cool!)
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Date: 10 Feb 1993 13:47:31 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1lb11jINNpkf@ni.umd.edu> References: <1993Feb5.191023.4938@nimno.wpa.com> <1l0l4lINNlj6@ni.umd.edu> <3093@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> In article <3093@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) writes: >Whose money are you spending on hubs? That's easy; we're spending the subscriber's money. Our group provides supported network service to the campus, just as another provides telephone servics. > What happens when you want to add just one more machine to your > network and the hub's full? You buy and install another hub. Actually, this is what causes most problems on the older thin ethernets what we have left. The "just ONE more computer" syndrome where the segment gradually goes out of spec because its too long. And these are a bitch to locate and diagnose. > What if you want to temporarily put an extra machine in your office for a >few days and you've only got one wire pair pulled? Give me Cheapernet >any day, you can keep your Phoneynet. Each data jack has 4 pair of wires run to it; 10Base-T uses 2 pair. With an adaptor, its easy to activate the unused other two pair. Alternatively, it may be that the use has thin net run WITHIN THE 4 WALL OF HIS OFFICE already via a 10Base-T to thin net repeater, and then there's no problem. >We have hundreds of nodes on our Cheapernet installation here, and two >or three 8-port Cheapernet repeaters. Only rarely do we ever have a >problem (one or two times a year some bozo breaks a leg of the LAN), and >we can easily add to our network with little or no problem, without >calling Facilities to get new wires pulled and hubs bought. We will have a a subscriber base of 4500 network subscribers, in over 80 buildings on our campus. We used to have thin net, and from experience, it is a disaster. It is very difficult to provide working network service to a subscriber, when the bozo down the hall opens the segment and hoses 5 offices at a time. We aim to provide reliability close to what you'd expect from your telephone, and you wouldn't tolorate a failure twice a year due to someone else's silly actions, would you? What many people seem to forget when comparing the costs of a thin ethernet system with something like 10Base-T is that people time is expensive and in short supply. While a group of people that know eacy other with perhaps a dozen or two machines, with tight configuration control over the design, could get by with thin net, it doesn't scale very well. IMHO, of course, but I'd used both and there's no doubt in my mind which is superior. Louis Mamakos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Feb10.144419.22131@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <1l9p0nINNd0h@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Feb10.044919.9864@leland.Stanford.EDU> <HERRING.93Feb10091142@freja.iesd.auc.dk> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 14:44:19 GMT In article <HERRING.93Feb10091142@freja.iesd.auc.dk> herring@iesd.auc.dk (B. Erickson Herring) writes: >>>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 93 04:49:19 GMT, ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU >(Laurence James Edwards) said: > >LJE> Well since NeXT just announced they are laying off 300 people and are out of >LJE> the hardware business, I'd guess there was no strategy involved, just the usual >LJE> overoptimistic software delivery promises. > >Just to make sure that we are all rowing in the same direction, NeXT >had not made an announcement when I went to bed last night (that was >1pm California time, which gave them a few hours to slip something >past me :-). So, unless they made an announcement while I was asleep, >there has been nothing said by NeXT, NeXT's employees, or Allison >Thomas Associates. > >So far, all we have is an article by the San Francisco Chronicle (I >believe) and an AP story which is derived from the above-mentioned >article. Why don't we delay our hysterics until after Steve-O makes >_his_ announcement. Sorry, didn't mean to sound hysterical ... I thought this was accepted and well known. I must admit, I did misread the article, it says that NeXT will announce dropping the hardware next Tuesday ... not that they announced it this Tuesday. Reading more carefully, I see that NeXT neither confirms or denies the story. The article goes on to say that NeXT is now in negotiations with Canon to sell their manufacturing plant. I guess we'll all find out if the Chronicle has good sources or not next Tuesday. If I were a betting man I'm not sure I'd bet against that story. Larry Edwards
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: herring@iesd.auc.dk (B. Erickson Herring) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest In-Reply-To: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU's message of Wed, 10 Feb 93 14:44:19 GMT Message-ID: <HERRING.93Feb10183411@freja.iesd.auc.dk> Sender: news@iesd.auc.dk (UseNet News) Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University References: <1l9p0nINNd0h@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Feb10.044919.9864@leland.Stanford.EDU> <HERRING.93Feb10091142@freja.iesd.auc.dk> <1993Feb10.144419.22131@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: 10 Feb 93 18:34:11 >>>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 93 04:49:19 GMT, ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU >(Laurence James Edwards) said: >LJE> Well since NeXT just announced they are laying off 300 people >LJE> and are out of the hardware business, I'd guess there was no >LJE> strategy involved, just the usual overoptimistic software >LJE> delivery promises. Erick> Just to make sure that we are all rowing in the same direction, Erick> NeXT had not made an announcement when I went to bed last night Erick> (that was 1pm California time, which gave them a few hours to Erick> slip something past me :-). So, unless they made an Erick> announcement while I was asleep, there has been nothing said by Erick> NeXT, NeXT's employees, or Allison Thomas Associates. Erick> Erick> So far, all we have is an article by the San Francisco Erick> Chronicle (I believe) and an AP story which is derived from the Erick> above-mentioned article. Why don't we delay our hysterics Erick> until after Steve-O makes _his_ announcement. LJE> Sorry, didn't mean to sound hysterical ... I thought this was accepted LJE> and well known. LJE> LJE> I must admit, I did misread the article, it says that NeXT will LJE> announce dropping the hardware next Tuesday ... not that they LJE> announced it this Tuesday. LJE> LJE> Reading more carefully, I see that NeXT neither confirms or denies the LJE> story. The article goes on to say that NeXT is now in negotiations LJE> with Canon to sell their manufacturing plant. LJE> LJE> I guess we'll all find out if the Chronicle has good sources or not LJE> next Tuesday. LJE> LJE> If I were a betting man I'm not sure I'd bet against that story. I _meant_ for there to be a smiley at the end of that comment about hysteria. You actually didn't sound hysterical at all :-). I'm not sure that I would bet against it, either, it's just that I want the official statement before I form any opinions. My caution is, of course, only strengthened by the possibility that some of my customers might be reading of this impending doom :-). Anyway, I guess we'll find out soon. Erick -- ----- Erick Herring | Computation is the art of carefully throwing NeXT Salg og Teknik | away information [and] Life is the art of Polyteknisk Data, | carefully throwing away opportunities, an Lyngby, Danmark | interesting coincidental parallel. herring@pd.dth.dk | - Guy L. Steele Jr.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) Subject: Synoptics or Zyplex Terminal Server. Message-ID: <1993Feb10.141331.5965@ccsi.com> Sender: jcorallo@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 14:13:31 GMT If anyone is using Synoptics Terminal server 3395A, which is actually made by Zyplex, there is a new version of the software for it (V4.1.3S80) which fixes many bugs with SLIP, telnet and performance problems. We installed the software a few days and a bunch of problems that we had being trying to fix for months magically disappeared. A lot of errors that Synoptics had continuously blamed on the NeXT and our SLIP software are gone. Here is a run down of things that we have found fixed. -Telnet echoes characters back now as your typing. -Our % CPU used to be always a 100%, not it actually fluctuates. -We used to get a large amount of Port Overrun Errors. -Stations used to loose their connections occasionally. -Any large TCP operation would die after about 500 seconds. -Our transfer rates were about .09 K/s when doing FTP or mail, now they are between 2.5 and 4.5 K/s. -Everything is much faster and reliable. -John Corallo
From: clkeele@honors.uoregon.edu (GET A LIFE, KEELE!!!!!!) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How to turn the printer off? Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 19:14:12 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Honors College Distribution: usa Message-ID: <clkeele.51@honors.uoregon.edu> References: <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> I believe the Print Test program has a soft ON/OFF switch. You might look at that. ----- Clifford -----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Micropolis 1528 jumpers Message-ID: <1993Feb10.185928.28360@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 18:59:28 GMT I've been asked to install a Micropolis 1528 1.3gig hard disk into a cube int the department here. Unfortunately, the unit was shipped without documentation. Does anyone have a list of the jumpers? Thanks in advance. Steve "Gone but not forgotten, our beloved cubes and slabs. 1988-1993 RIP" -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: joerg@iiasa.ac.at (Joerg MESSER) Subject: Exabyte: Any problems connecting to a NS 3.0 Slab? Message-ID: <joerg.729364246@iiasa> Sender: news@iiasa.ac.at Organization: IIASA, Laxenburg, Austria Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 17:10:46 GMT Has anyone experienced any problems connecting an Exabyte tape drive to a Slab running NS 3.0? I'm trying to find out if there are any known problems before I attempt to connect one to my system. -- Joerg Messer | International Institute | Email: joerg@iiasa.ac.at for Applied System Analysis | Phone: +43 2236 715210 A-2361 Laxenburg, Austria | Fax: +43 2236 71313
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How to turn the printer off? Message-ID: <64177@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 10 Feb 93 20:17:32 GMT References: <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Distribution: usa Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> hanzel@teal.csn.org (Karl Hanzel) writes: > I'm wondering how a person might control the on/off state of an attached > NeXT Printer through some sort of software mechanism. nppower off nppower on -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: keith@iscp.bellcore.com (Keith Hawkins) Subject: Tough choice: switch to 486 ?? Organization: Bellcore Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 19:48:37 GMT Message-ID: <1993Feb10.194837.19446@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> Sender: netnews@porthos.cc.bellcore.com (USENET System Software) Hello NeXTperts: The latest announcement by NeXT (or should I say NeXTSoft :-) has gotten me thinking about some tough choices. I currently have a '040 cube with NS2.0. I was planning to expand memory from 8MB to 16Mb and to upgrade to NS 3.0 (which would require me purchasing a Optical Drive). Now I'm not so sure I want to put any more money into a hardware platform which is being phased out. It might be worth it for me to sell my NeXT equipment and put the proceeds toward a 486 machine and purchase NS486. Having a a 486 machine would open me up to a whole world of software not available for the NeXT (Software written for MS-Windows.) I would still be able to run NS486 to work in a NeXTStep environment and switch to MS-Windows if I needed to run an application only available on MS-Windows. Anyone care to discuss the pros and cons of switching to a 486-platform? -Keith
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards) Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Message-ID: <1993Feb10.223425.7713@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <1l9p0nINNd0h@tamsun.tamu.edu> <HERRING.93Feb10183411@freja.iesd.auc.dk> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 22:34:25 GMT In article <HERRING.93Feb10183411@freja.iesd.auc.dk>, herring@iesd.auc.dk (B. Erickson Herring) writes: |> >>>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 93 04:49:19 GMT, ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU |> >(Laurence James Edwards) said: |> [...] |> LJE> Reading more carefully, I see that NeXT neither confirms or denies the |> LJE> story. The article goes on to say that NeXT is now in negotiations |> LJE> with Canon to sell their manufacturing plant. |> LJE> |> LJE> I guess we'll all find out if the Chronicle has good sources or not |> LJE> next Tuesday. |> LJE> |> LJE> If I were a betting man I'm not sure I'd bet against that story. |> |> I _meant_ for there to be a smiley at the end of that comment about |> hysteria. You actually didn't sound hysterical at all :-). |> |> I'm not sure that I would bet against it, either, it's just that I |> want the official statement before I form any opinions. My caution |> is, of course, only strengthened by the possibility that some of my |> customers might be reading of this impending doom :-). |> |> Anyway, I guess we'll find out soon. Sooner than I thought. In today's Chronicle there's a little blurb saying NeXT confirms that they are selling their manufacturing plant to Canon and are laying off 280 people. Larry Edwards
From: lutzray@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lutz Raymond) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ND cube not for sale Message-ID: <1993Feb10.200944.8454@cc.umontreal.ca> Date: 10 Feb 93 20:09:44 GMT Sender: news@cc.umontreal.ca (Administration de Cnews) Organization: Universite de Montreal Well, I think I can forget this ND video compression board I was (*still*) hoping for... 8^( Maybe I should have spent my savings on an amiga/video toaster system 8^) yeark! 8^). It will make a rather expensive toy, although. Nice, elegant but expensive... and lonely now... Le roi est mort, Vive le roi ! U de Montreal, dept de physique, solide, 2e cycle, Raymond Lutz ND_cube_NeXT_isolated_newbe_wannabe
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: How to turn the printer off? Message-ID: <tlm.729388123@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 23:48:43 GMT In <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> hanzel@teal.csn.org (Karl Hanzel) writes: >I'm wondering how a person might control the on/off state of an attached >NeXT Printer through some sort of software mechanism. Or it has been >suggested that one install a switch in the power cord. >They claim that while in idle mode, it's disapaiting only 75 watts... but i >wouldn't leave a 75 watt bulb burning for days on end if i wasn't using it >either. The extra hum in my office isn't bad, nor is it particularly welcome. >It would be worth it to me to have to wait a few minutes for it to >warm up before issuing a print job on those somewhat rare occasions that i do. from the command line use nppower off or nppower on There is also a little thingy on the archives called "SleepPrinter" which is just an icon that by double clicking turns off the printer. I actually prefer this since seeing the icon in my Dock (in the space where the recycler used to be) serves as a reminder to turn the printer off. Also, you can write a crontab entry and a little shell script to turn the printer off after it's been idle for greater than some period of time. I have the information on how to do this if anyone wants it. Hope this is Helpful -- Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: How to attach Micropolis 1924-21 Message-ID: <C29DEL.DK6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <UfRhQIu00WB=4zVNBO@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 00:30:06 GMT Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 8-Feb-93 How to attach >Micropolis 19.. by Scott Dickson@iris.psu.e >> I know this must be a FAQ, but I just inherited a NeXT Station running >> NS 2.0 and was then given a Micropolis 1924-21 2.4GB disk and was told >> to make it work. >> >Simple: [instructions deleted] I just want to add my $.02 also that I attached a 1924 to a cube last month and it worked just as one would expect. As plug and play as the Seagate 1.2 GB drives we normally use. It was 'configured' by the vendor for Suns. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: How to turn the printer off? Message-ID: <C29DvG.F8C@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> <64177@mimsy.umd.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 00:40:13 GMT alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes: >In article <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> hanzel@teal.csn.org (Karl Hanzel) writes: >> I'm wondering how a person might control the on/off state of an attached >> NeXT Printer through some sort of software mechanism. >nppower off >nppower on Better include that they are in /usr/etc, those aren't in the default path for non-root users. You don't need to be root to run it if you're logged into the console. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,ba.market.computers,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next Subject: 20Meg/677Meg/105Meg Nextstation -- cheap! Message-ID: <1993Feb11.024328.19090@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 11 Feb 93 02:43:28 GMT Sender: nntp@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU (NNTP Poster) Organization: University of California, at Berkeley NeXTstation for sale ==================== 25Mhz 68040 Monochrome NeXTstation 20Meg RAM 105Meg harddisk (it is used as swapdisk to speed things up) 677Meg harddisk MegaPixel monitor (crisp and clear!) keyboard, mouse and necessary cables. running NS3.0 extended version Licensed software included ========================== Adobe Illustrator version 3.0 Mathematica version 2.0 OCR servant Asking for $3900 I can deliver anywhere in the bay area. Local buyer preferred. Johnson Sieu sieu@cory.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: benk@ie1next.me.umn.edu (Benjamin Koo) Subject: serial port information wanted Message-ID: <C29s3L.59E@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 05:47:33 GMT Hello, I am developing some multichannel input device (for my school project) on the NeXT. I don't know where can I get details on the programming for the serial port. Can some body give me a hint on that. Thanks in advance. I am still a strong NeXT supporter after Feb 9, 1993. Ben
From: patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Tough choice: switch to 486 ?? Date: 11 Feb 1993 05:48:28 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1lcpbcINNets@gap.caltech.edu> References: <1993Feb10.194837.19446@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> >Anyone care to discuss the pros and cons of switching >to a 486-platform? Uh...do they come in black? But if Canon buys the factory, what will they do with it? Make black Canon computers that run NeXTStep? Is it possible that they told Jobs that they could do the hardware better than he could? Gosh, I hate uncertainty! patricia@cco.caltech.edu
From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <1993Feb10.210733.29046@pencom.com> Date: 10 Feb 93 21:07:33 GMT References: <1993Feb5.191023.4938@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software We use FastTaps in house, and they work find. They aren't really bending the rules, because when the cable going between the wall and the back of the machine is really a condicutor going to the machine and another going back to the wall with a T where it plugs to the BNC on the back of the computer. It's just that the conductor is folded back on itself. What I mean is that if you plug a 6ft. fastap connecter into the network, you are adding 12ft of length to the ethernet. Does that make sense? In article <1993Feb5.191023.4938@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > back and started poking around in the Black Box catalog. As it turns out, > they sell a product called "FastTap for ThinNet" that basically amounts to > the same arrangement as I was asking about. > > This is a barrel that slips over the ethernet and screws in to tap the line. > There is a special connector on the cable end, with a BNC connector for the > computer end of cables that they sell in lengths of 6 to 25 feet. > > I'm really confused now. This stuff comes from AMP, I think. Is it safe to > use, or are they really bending the rules and getting away it? > > (Page L12 of the January 1993 Black Box catalog, if you're curious!) > > Thanks. > > John Bartley -- -- John Steczkowski stecz@pencom.com How 'bout them Cowboys!
From: alanlb@thor.cs.vt.edu (Alan L. Batongbacal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Serial port question Message-ID: <4136@creatures.cs.vt.edu> Date: 11 Feb 93 05:11:07 GMT Sender: usenet@creatures.cs.vt.edu Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept., Blacksburg, VA Hi there! If either serial port is fried or otherwise not in good condition, will the hardware diagnostics executed during bootup tell you so? I ask because my modem suddenly stopped working with /dev/cua, but still works with /dev/cub. Thanks! -- +---------------------------------------------v-----------------------------+ | Alan L. Batongbacal | "If you spew and she bolts, | | alanlb@cs.vt.edu | it was never meant to be." | | Bleaksburg, VA 24060 | -- Wayne Campbell | +---------------------------------------------^-----------------------------+
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: How to turn the printer off? Message-ID: <HARDY.93Feb10232016@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: tlm@iastate.edu's message of Wed, 10 Feb 1993 23:48:43 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Distribution: usa References: <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> <tlm.729388123@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: 11 Feb 93 07:19:11 GMT Just in case people have forgotten it: A crontab entry like this: 0,30 * * * * root /usr/adm/np0-off >/tmp/np-off.log 2>&1 and the /usr/adm/np0-off script: # If there's no np0-off.time file, we don't look for it, and assume the # printer is on. Note that this will only happen the first time this script # turns the printer off. # if (-e /usr/adm/np0-off.time) then set ison=(`gfind /usr/spool/NeXT/NeXT_Printer/lock -newer /usr/adm/np0-off.time -print`) else set ison='faked on, no np0-off file.' endif # # We don't want to try to turn the printer off if there are spool control # files, so we check for them explicitly. # set spooling=(`gfind /usr/spool/NeXT/NeXT_Printer -name 'cf*' -print`) if ($#ison && !($#spooling)) then /usr/etc/nppower off touch /usr/adm/np0-off.time endif ##### end of script These were posted on the net a long time ago -- will the author please claim credit? I also have a line in rc.local which turns off the printer # # Run your own commands here # #sh /usr/dialupip/config/rc.slip >/dev/console 2>&1 if [ -f /usr/etc/nppower ]; then sleep 5 /usr/etc/nppower off (echo -n 'powering off NeXTprinter') >/dev/console fi /usr/local/bin/adim -b0 -t300 -s60 & (echo '.') >/dev/console -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Subject: Texel CD-rom drive Message-ID: <1993Feb11.052450.23180@chiton.ucsd.edu> Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 05:24:50 GMT Does anyone have experience with the Texel 5024 CD-rom drive? (on a NeXT, of course) It seems to be one of the new generation of twice-audio-speed drives, that is, 300kb/sec. and is priced noticeably less than the equivalent NEC drive. carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu clowenstein@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gast@next.ben-fh.tuwien.ac.at (Gast) Subject: Re: How to turn the printer off? Message-ID: <1993Feb11.085417.20864@email.tuwien.ac.at> Sender: news@email.tuwien.ac.at Organization: Technical University of Vienna References: <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 08:54:17 GMT Reply-To:otto@hainzl.co.at In article <C27ABt.CDp@csn.org> hanzel@teal.csn.org (Karl Hanzel) writes: > I'm wondering how a person might control the on/off state of an attached > NeXT Printer through some sort of software mechanism. Or it has been > suggested that one install a switch in the power cord. > > They claim that while in idle mode, it's disapaiting only 75 watts... but i > wouldn't leave a 75 watt bulb burning for days on end if i wasn't using it > either. The extra hum in my office isn't bad, nor is it particularly welcome. > It would be worth it to me to have to wait a few minutes for it to > warm up before issuing a print job on those somewhat rare occasions that i do. > > But then i don't know... perhaps i haven't considered all of the factors here. > > Opinions?... Solutions? > > Thanks, > pax, > Karl > *-----> > > (karl@khaos.com NeXT Mail cool!) /usr/etc/nppower off is the solution. The only problem: If the printer is off it first gets powered on then off again. Otto
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kris@black.toppoint.de (Kristian Koehntopp) Subject: Re: Mounting CDs Message-ID: <1993Feb10.222048.3555@black.toppoint.de> Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V. References: <873@ceco.ceco.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 22:20:48 GMT Reproduktion, auch auszugsweise, ausserhalb elektronischer, nichtkommerzieller Datennetze nur mit ausdruecklichem, schriftlichem Einverstaendnis des Autors. In <873@ceco.ceco.com> mikes@ceco.ceco.com (Michael Stepniczka) writes: >High Sierra disks. Do I need some special software for this? The CD ROM Check this: $ ls -l /usr/filesystems/CD* total 80 -r--r--r-- 1 root 3546 Mar 26 1992 CDROM.fs.tiff -rw-r--r-- 1 root 11 Feb 7 12:11 CDROM.label -rw-r--r-- 1 root 16 Feb 7 12:11 CDROM.name -r--r--r-- 1 root 3546 Mar 26 1992 CDROM.openfs.tiff -rwsr-xr-x 1 root 24576 Jul 22 1992 CDROM.util -rw-r--r-- 1 root 46224 Jul 22 1992 CDROM_reloc It is said to be broken, if you upgraded from CD. Get the original from the 3.0 CD-ROM and try again after rebooting. Kristian -- "Was macht das Fraktal im Buchenwald?" -- Georg Hoermann
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tor@geomatic.no (Tor Langballe) Subject: NeXTs for Sale (Europe) Message-ID: <TOR.93Feb11164833@dolly.geomatic.no> Sender: meyer@geomatic.no (Harald Meyer) Organization: Geomatic a.s, Norway. Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 15:48:33 GMT Due to economic difficulties, the following equipment is for sale: Brand New (1 Month) 33MHZ Turbo Color NeXTStation 32 MB RAM New Sony 17" Screen ADB-Keyboard NeXTStep 3.0 Licence (With CD) 250 Mb Internal HardDisk (Seagate) 1.2 Gb Internal HardDisk 10Ms (Micropolis) 25 MHz Mono NeXTStation 8 Mb RAM 200 Mb Internal HD NeXTSTep 3.0 Licence (with CD) NeXT CD-ROM drive, with cable FrameMaker 2.0 DTP Lotus Impov Spreadsheat WordPerfect SoftPC Co-Xist X-Windows Server Shipping within Norway, Sweden and UK can be provided Sorry for posting this to the whole world, but I don't know how to restrict it to europe. contact: Tor Langballe day : +47 22 50 43 30 nite : +47 22 44 96 39 fax : +47 22 50 05 55 net : tor@geomatic.no space : Eckersbergsgate 31 0266 OSLO 2 Norway -- O --------------------------O------------------------------------------------O ! Tor Langballe ! Yesterday I logged out of cyberspace and went ! ! day : +47 2 50 43 30 ! for a walk. I got run over by a bus. Luckily ! ! nite : +47 2 44 96 39 ! I was in a nested, double log-in session. ! ! fax : +47 2 50 05 55 ! ! ! net : tor@geomatic.no ! ! ! space: Eckersbergsgate 31 ! ! ! 0266 OSLO 2 Norway ! ! O---------------------------!------------------------------------------------O
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gpoc@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Gianfranco Pocecai) Subject: NeXT and Wacom tablet Sender: news-mail@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (News mail user) Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 18:19:12 GMT Message-ID: <1993Feb11.181912.4464@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> Hi, I have a Wacom tablet (model SD-422E) to test with my NeXT, but as soon that I run the InstallTablet app it locks the machine very badly. Any suggestion on the configuration of the tablet? -- ------------------ Gianfranco Pocecai Coordinator of "NeXT2You", The Italian NeXT User Group University of Milano - Computer Science Department Via Comelico, 39/41 20135 Milano - Italy
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Where can I find a ppd file for an HP Laserjet 4M? Date: 11 Feb 1993 19:51:58 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1leaouINN5qr@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: ppd files, HP Laserjet 4M, pot-bellied pigs The subject line says it all. We just got one hooked to our network, and I want to exploit the 600 dpi. -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rprice@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rodney.price) Subject: monitor dimming Message-ID: <1993Feb11.201210.24114@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Keywords: monitor dim Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 20:12:10 GMT My monitor has begun to dim after about two years of nearly continuous operation. A while back I seem to remember seeing a thread on dimming monitors, and an inexpensive fix. Can anyone help me out? I have one of the earliest monochrome slabs made, running NS 2.1. Thanks, Rod Price rprice@physics.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com (alexander dahl) Subject: NeXTStation for sale; (8/210) starting $2900 Message-ID: <1993Feb11.192447.5632@mksol.dseg.ti.com> Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 19:24:47 GMT NeXTStation for sale: 8/105 internal 105 external bunch of software: Diagram Mathematica Improv Executor (it works great) Concurrence The good Net stuff X11 from net Machine is in great shape. I bought it as a student and have not used it all that much as a power machine. I have done some OO programming, so I have the development stuff as well. Please make any offer that you deem reasonable for the configuration that you desire. Any combination of hardware (modem, printer cables, etc) software (a bunch of stuff) will be considered. -- Alex Dahl dahla@lobby.ti.com or dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com Remember: My expressions are unknown to my employer nor do they care.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) Subject: Re: Tough choice: switch to 486 ?? Message-ID: <1993Feb12.002217.1995@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio References: <1993Feb10.194837.19446@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> <1lcpbcINNets@gap.caltech.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 00:22:17 GMT In article <1lcpbcINNets@gap.caltech.edu> patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes: >>Anyone care to discuss the pros and cons of switching >>to a 486-platform? > >Uh...do they come in black? > >But if Canon buys the factory, what will they do with it? > >Make black Canon computers that run NeXTStep? > >Is it possible that they told Jobs that they could do the hardware better >than he could? > >Gosh, I hate uncertainty! Might be a good time to look at SGI's Indigos. With the educational discount, they're fairly inexpensive, probably cheaper than you think. Besides they're MUCH faster. We have an image processing program here that took 8 HOURS to run on a Next. On an MIPS R4000 SGI Indigo, it only took 18 min. Think about it :-) -- David M. Senseman, Ph.D. | Imagine the Creator as a low (senseman@lonestar.utsa.edu) | comedian, and at once the world Life Sciences Visualization Lab | becomes explicable. University of Texas at San Antonio | H.L. Mencken
From: qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Photo-CD, 32MB SIMMS Summary: recently Keywords: Servare, info Message-ID: <C2B59x.7ov@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Date: 11 Feb 93 23:29:55 GMT Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Could some kindly soul send me the phone # and email address for Servare -- they are the company that sells the Photo-CD compatible NeXT CD-ROM that people were talking about. Thanks in advance, Quabid
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: NeXTStation for sale STOP IT!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <1993Feb12.024627.19333@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Feb11.192447.5632@mksol.dseg.ti.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 02:46:27 GMT In article <1993Feb11.192447.5632@mksol.dseg.ti.com> dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com (alexander dahl) writes: > NeXTStation for sale: Stop it right now, please! People are freaking out and so desperate to sell their NeXT machines that we're seeing "for sale" postings in *all* the NeXT newsgroups. Get a grip and post these notices where they belong, in the marketplace group(s). I return you to panic selling... -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Tough choice: switch to 486 ?? Message-ID: <1993Feb12.024943.19410@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Feb12.002217.1995@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 02:49:43 GMT In article <1993Feb12.002217.1995@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes: > Might be a good time to look at SGI's Indigos. Oh please, get out of this group with this junk. SGI machines have their pluses and their minuses just like NeXTs do. We have some Crimsons that are wicked fast, but you couldn't pay us enough to give up our NeXTs for more SGI machines. Go advocate in the sgi groups, not here. -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Next out of hardware: Jobs Message-ID: <1993Feb11.012644.2566@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: Pro Forma Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 01:26:44 GMT Since no one has mentioned it yet, today's Wall Street Journal carried an article on NeXT getting out of hardware. Jobs finally admitted it. They were to lay off half the company (the hardware half, I suppose) this week. Blurb on page 1, story on page B1, Wednesday, 10-Feb-93. Can we stop arguing about NRW/processors now? -- [Maybe someone did mention it and my news feed (UUNET) is still constipated.]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rmommer@stealth.weeg.uiowa.edu (Ric Mommer) Subject: Bad service from APS Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Feb12.025108.11515@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 02:51:08 GMT Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA I have a Toshiba 830 meg drive which I ordered from APS. I recently had problems with their customer service that included being treated rudely and lied to. While I understand that drives go bad, (I have recently heard that this mechanism has a history of problems) I do not understand why a company who purports to have "great technical support" can afford to treat their customers in the manner in which I have been treated. I would advise everyone to avoid doing business with this company. For those who want to hear all the sordid details, an in-depth description of my problems with APS follows: After about 2 and a half months of use, my drive developed bad blocks. I had heard about other problems with Toshiba 830, and wasn't comfortable with that mechanism anymore, so I called APS to see if I could exchange for another mechanism when returning my bad drive. I was informed by the manager of technical support that this was not their policy, and that I would have to take a reconditioned mechanism as my warranty exchange. My only option was to pay a 20% restocking fee -- even though I planned to purchase a replacement drive from them. Furthermore, when I asked what the turnaround for my warranty replacement was, I was informed that after they received my drive, it would be two days before they would ship another drive back. When I explained to him that this was the drive that contained all my data, and that I did not have another drive to use in the meanwhile, he became snotty with me and said that it wasn't his fault I didn't have a hardware backup. What I wanted to do was to have them ship me a drive. I could then copy my data from the bad drive to the good one, and then ship the drive back. I figured that by giving them my credit card number, they would trust me to return the defective drive. This is allowed by many mail-order companies that I have worked with, and I did not consider my request to be unreasonable. After several calls, I was finally able to talk them into cross-shipping a drive to me. This involved first Federal Expressing the drive to them, and then calling them with the tracking number. Then they would ship the replacement drive to me. That way I would only have to be without a drive for one evening. I did everything as promised, but the next day, the drive didn't arrive. Upset, I called their technical support to see why the drive wasn't shipped. They replied that they couldn't get a verification from Federal Express about the drive until the following morning. This was an outright lie. Federal Express reported to me that the tracking number was in the computer system and verifiable at 4pm that day. When I told the person at APS technical support that I had a hard time believing her story, she became very defensive and rude to me. After arguing with me for a few short minutes, she said "thank you for your call" and promptly hung up on me. At this point, I would never buy anything from APS, even if it is priced hundreds of dollars lower than their nearest competitor. I will also make sure that my company never orders anything from APS. I have never had problems like this before, and do not plan to have them in the future. There are literally hundreds of good mail order companies out there that will give you friendly, helpful service. Companies like APS give all mail order companies a bad name. Everyone would be best advised to avoid this company at all costs. Timothy A. Dawson Software Engineer Integrity Solutions St. Paul, MN 55103
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rmommer@stealth.weeg.uiowa.edu (Ric Mommer) Subject: Bad luck with Toshiba, great with Spin Periph. Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Feb12.035651.12409@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 03:56:51 GMT References: <1993Feb12.025108.11515@news.uiowa.edu> Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA In article <1993Feb12.025108.11515@news.uiowa.edu> tdawson@is.com (Tim Dawson) writes: > I have a Toshiba 830 meg drive which I ordered from APS. I recently had > problems with their customer service ... I, too had bad luck with the Toshiba mechanism. (As a matter of fact, I posted the note for Tim Dawson as his usenet connection is down) I ordered five drives and had to return most of them for service. Luckilly, only one had data that couldn't be restored. It was a loss, but it could have been much worse. I, on the other hand, purchased my drives from Spin Peripherals (800) 466-1200. They were prompt in replacing the first two drives that went bad. Then, when we started to have problems with other Toshiba drives from that order, I called Dave Merchant at Spin. I explained to him that I was concerned about the reliability of the Toshiba drives and asked what my options were. He replied, "I'm sorry about the drives, and I'll make things right for you." That he did. He offered me their new 1.2gig DEC drive at a very reasonable price and refunded me the price I paid for the Toshiba drives (even though the 30-day period had well expired). He even sent the new drives to me and let me keep the old Toshiba drives until I copied over the data onto the new drives. He did absolutely everything he could to ensure that we were happy with our purchase. Anyway, I bought ten new DEC drives (in their 'cyclone' enclosure) and do they scream! I have suggested this drive to others at the University and highly recommend Spin Peripherals. I have no affiliation with Spin, nor are they paying be "a bazillion schamolians" for this endorsement. They are simply one of the finest mail-order businesses I have ever worked with. Ric Mommer University of Iowa
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rmommer@stealth.weeg.uiowa.edu (Ric Mommer) Subject: Re: Where can I find a ppd file for an HP Laserjet 4M? Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Feb12.040329.12516@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 04:03:29 GMT References: <1leaouINN5qr@tamsun.tamu.edu> Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA In article <1leaouINN5qr@tamsun.tamu.edu> bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) writes: > The subject line says it all. We just got one hooked to our network, > and I want to exploit the 600 dpi. Call HP directly (303) 353-7650, they will send you the drivers, free. Ric Mommer Former NeXT CC University of Iowa
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) Subject: Re: Tough choice: switch to 486 ?? Message-ID: <1993Feb12.045711.7908@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio References: <1993Feb12.002217.1995@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <1993Feb12.024943.19410@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 04:57:11 GMT In article <1993Feb12.024943.19410@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <1993Feb12.002217.1995@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> >senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes: > >> Might be a good time to look at SGI's Indigos. > >Oh please, get out of this group with this junk. SGI machines >have their pluses and their minuses just like NeXTs do. We >have some Crimsons that are wicked fast, but you couldn't >pay us enough to give up our NeXTs for more SGI machines. > >Go advocate in the sgi groups, not here. > Nathan, I don't blame you for being touchy -- finding out you now own an orphan computer can't be easy. But lighten up. I didn't start this thread -- switch to 486 -- I just offered a serious alternative to a "PC Clone" running NextStep. Face it, NextStep on a PC clone is NOT going to be all that interesting. Like everyone else, Jobs will have to cater to a rather low "common denominator" to sell 486 NextStep. Ready for VGA graphics and Soundblaster audio? I kinda thought that most Next users had a little higher standards... Having been in the PC/workstation business longer than I care to admit, I don't see much a chance of NextStep seriously competing against Windows NT and Novell's UNIX/Unixware. NextStep might be "insanely" great, but on the other hand, it might only be "insane". I'm sure no one is going to pay you to give up your NeXTs -- the market for used NeXTs seems a little saturated at the moment. Maybe you could donate them to the Boston Computer Museum? -- David M. Senseman, Ph.D. | Imagine the Creator as a low (senseman@lonestar.utsa.edu) | comedian, and at once the world Life Sciences Visualization Lab | becomes explicable. University of Texas at San Antonio | H.L. Mencken
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Tough choice: switch to 486 ?? Message-ID: <1993Feb12.061332.21486@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Feb12.045711.7908@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 06:13:32 GMT In article <1993Feb12.045711.7908@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes: > In article <1993Feb12.024943.19410@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > >In article <1993Feb12.002217.1995@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> > >senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes: > > > >> Might be a good time to look at SGI's Indigos. > > > >Oh please, get out of this group with this junk. SGI machines > >have their pluses and their minuses just like NeXTs do. We > >have some Crimsons that are wicked fast, but you couldn't > >pay us enough to give up our NeXTs for more SGI machines. > > > >Go advocate in the sgi groups, not here. > > I don't blame you for being touchy -- finding out you now own > an orphan computer can't be easy. But lighten up. I didn't start > this thread -- switch to 486 -- I just offered a serious alternative > to a "PC Clone" running NextStep. Face it, NextStep on a PC clone > is NOT going to be all that interesting. Like everyone else, Jobs > will have to cater to a rather low "common denominator" to sell 486 > NextStep. Ready for VGA graphics and Soundblaster audio? I kinda thought > that most Next users had a little higher standards... > > Having been in the PC/workstation business longer than I care to admit, > I don't see much a chance of NextStep seriously competing against Windows NT > and Novell's UNIX/Unixware. NextStep might be "insanely" great, > but on the other hand, it might only be "insane". > > I'm sure no one is going to pay you to give up your NeXTs -- the > market for used NeXTs seems a little saturated at the moment. > Maybe you could donate them to the Boston Computer Museum? No thanks, they've been working fine for up to three years now, and we expect them to last for many to come. We haven't been "orphaned" by NeXT closing the hardware side of the company, as the only thing we expected to need, service, will still be available. But thanks for your concern away. It is rather lovely that some people are freaking-out and selling their NeXTs - we expect to grab several NeXTstation Color Turbos for a steal. Finally, for someone who's been in the business longer than you care to admit, you're showing remarkable short-sightedness in your evaluation of the hardware platforms NeXTstep will be available on. If you think 486 PCs will be the only game in town, you need to spend a little less time playing dogfight on your SGI... Like I said, we like our Crimsons (after it took SGI 6 months to get the fortran compiler optimization to work for us), but they don't hold a candle in many ways to the humble 68040 black machines all around then in our lab. -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: DSP Expansion SIMM for sale Date: 11 Feb 1993 23:34:23 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1lfjtvINN40a@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993Feb9.215928.21497@leland.Stanford.EDU> Yes, but aside from experiments in voice recognition, what can one do with the extra memory at this time? I was hoping to use it for direct to disc recording but the way I understand things the music kit won't address the extra memory, makers of MetroTracks won't support it, and the makers of Soundworks won't support it. Please feel free to jump in and correct me any time as I would love to purchase the upgrade. Bye the way, has anyone figured out how to interface--or if it will ever be possible--Ariel's Quintprocessor for the Cube to a NeXTstation? I heard earlier that Music Kit 4.0 will open up the DSP to other alternatives. Would the ability turning the NeXTstation 040 25 mhz 32/1.6gig into a 16 track digital recorder be one of them? maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nwc (Nick Christopher) Subject: Re: ISDN extender.... Message-ID: <C2AE42.Bt@ny.shl.com> Sender: usenet@ny.shl.com (Net News) Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc. References: <1l9ejdINNcf9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 13:43:14 GMT In article <1l9ejdINNcf9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes: > > If I have regular POTS service what can the extender (or adapter) > do for my station? I have been playing with an Extender and a POTS line for a couple of days now and am at a loss. Here is the body of the mail I sent to NeXT about apparent problems with it (n.b. transmitData:length: is the method used to send outgoing messages): - No way to stop a transmitData:length in process. - transmitData:length works in another thread (nice) but no notification of completion is given! - PhoneCall -state does not indicate transmission of, or receiving of, data. - connection is dropped after certain amount of inactivity (10 seconds I think) this time should be configurable. - tone detection on POTS line exibits VERY promiscuous matching - my voice matches many tones, during normal conversation. - transmitData:length and sound device use are mutually exclusive for a POTS line. If this is ignored the sound device becomes permanantly confused and the system has to be rebooted. \n Nicholas Christopher Systemhouse nwc@ny.shl.com
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Zyxel, NXFax question - CORRECTION Date: 12 Feb 1993 11:35:44 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1lgn5gINNcho@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1ks68bINN5oo@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1ku2v0INN9o1@ni.umd.edu> <1kui2bINNbe4@tamsun.tamu.edu> In article <1kui2bINNbe4@tamsun.tamu.edu> I wrote: >I've been asked by a few people to post a summary. All the usual >disclaimers apply... > >3. Where to get the stuff: [..] > modem: available from MicroNet $350 > available from SoftwarePlus $425, contact: > 1-817-387-NeXT (info and international orders) > 1-800-ALL-NeXT (orders only) > > NOTES: It appears that getting the modem and NXFax separately comes > out cheaper, but you might not necessarily get the cable > with that, and from all the responses I got, you get > the BLACK modem only from B&W. Other sources will get you the > white version. I just received note that I missed the fact that SoftwarePlus does offer the modem in black as an option. You'd have to contact them for the particulars. I apologize for this omission -- my information may not be totally complete, so I also apologize for any other omissions. I would suggest contacting the various vendors I mentioned to get specific details as packages and prices may vary/differ with time. -- -- Andrew Duchowski | -- -- Texas A&M University | This page intentionally blank -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail) | -- -- andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail) | --
From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Tough choice: switch to 486 ?? Message-ID: <1993Feb12.154901.7077@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: 12 Feb 93 15:49:01 GMT Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes: >> >>> Might be a good time to look at SGI's Indigos. >> >>Oh please, get out of this group with this junk. SGI machines >>have their pluses and their minuses just like NeXTs do. We >>have some Crimsons that are wicked fast, but you couldn't >>pay us enough to give up our NeXTs for more SGI machines. >> >>Go advocate in the sgi groups, not here. >> > >Nathan, > >I don't blame you for being touchy -- finding out you now own >an orphan computer can't be easy. But lighten up. I didn't start >this thread -- switch to 486 -- I just offered a serious alternative >to a "PC Clone" running NextStep. Face it, NextStep on a PC clone >is NOT going to be all that interesting. Like everyone else, Jobs >will have to cater to a rather low "common denominator" to sell 486 >NextStep. Ready for VGA graphics and Soundblaster audio? I kinda thought >that most Next users had a little higher standards... > I do. And you don't know what your talking about. I'm not ready for VGA graphics and neither is NeXTSTEP. Color display under NS 486 requires local bus video or EISA based video -- and does not use VGA. It's Display Postscript running on PC architecture. And that does excite me. >Having been in the PC/workstation business longer than I care to admit, >I don't see much a chance of NextStep seriously competing against Windows NT >and Novell's UNIX/Unixware. NextStep might be "insanely" great, >but on the other hand, it might only be "insane". > Hmmm. By the same token I don't see IRIX competing with NT either. In fact, I find IRIX to be the same ol' Sys V crap that runs on every other UNIX box. The only redeeming characteristic of the SGI is the fast GL for scientific visualization, etc. Get outside that arena and I'll take on your Indigo any day. Let's see you slap together a custom analysis program with a top notch GUI in one week. I do it every week under NeXTSTEP. I'd have to invest at least $8k in the SGI to even _start_. >I'm sure no one is going to pay you to give up your NeXTs -- the >market for used NeXTs seems a little saturated at the moment. >Maybe you could donate them to the Boston Computer Museum? > Followed shortly thereafter by your Indigo. Michael McCulloch
From: yu@cs.utexas.edu (Yeong-Ho Yu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Recommendation for a 3.5" HD for NeXTstation. Date: 12 Feb 1993 12:07:53 -0600 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Message-ID: <lnnprpINN7ql@ai.cs.utexas.edu> Keywords: harddisk I am trying to replace my 105mb HD of my NeXTstation with a large capacity (hopefully, > 500 mb) HD. I would appreciate recommendations from people's experinces. A quiet drive would be better, but not mandatory. Maker and model numbers will be great. Also, information on where I can get it would be appreciated, too. Thanks, Yeong ========
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <1993Feb12.131643.13504@ccsi.com> Sender: jcorallo@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. References: <3093@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 13:16:43 GMT In article <3093@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) writes: > In article <1l0l4lINNlj6@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: > >On the other hand, if you spend a little more on equipment and use > >10Base-T ethernet over twisted pair cable rather than thin ethernet, > >you will save yourself much money and suffereing later since it works > >much more reliably than thin ethernet. Just note what a previous > >poster mentioned about the guy hooking up his lab wrong and hosing his > >network. You don't have these problems with 10Base-T ethernet. > > Whose money are you spending on hubs? What happens when you want to > add just one more machine to your network and the hub's full? What if > you want to temporarily put an extra machine in your office for a > few days and you've only got one wire pair pulled? Give me Cheapernet > any day, you can keep your Phoneynet. > > We have hundreds of nodes on our Cheapernet installation here, and two > or three 8-port Cheapernet repeaters. Only rarely do we ever have a > problem (one or two times a year some bozo breaks a leg of the LAN), and > we can easily add to our network with little or no problem, without > calling Facilities to get new wires pulled and hubs bought. > > -- That is a good arguement, but if you are talking about a wiring problem a few times a year where 25 people are out of business for 2-4 hours, the cost to a company in dollars can be amazing. The real advantage is losing only one person if you have a wiring problem and also the ability to quickly track problems. It is especially useful in a large network to use network monitor software that in 10Base-T will inform you of a problem instantly and exactly where the problem lies. Not only do you cut down the number of people who are affected but you also cut down the time needed to find the problem. In a small installation though the added cost usually does not just 10Base-T. -John Corallo
From: john@klein.Mines.Colorado.EDU (John Stockwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Babying your NeXT... Keywords: hardware,maintenance Message-ID: <1993Feb12.192555.45143@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: 12 Feb 93 19:25:55 GMT Sender: news@slate.mines.colorado.edu Organization: Colorado School of Mines With NeXT discontinuing its hardware line and the potential unavailability of spare parts, are there any tips from NeXT gurus out there in Netland on "babying your NeXT" so that it will last longer? Thanks in advance. John Stockwell Center for Wave Phenomena Colorado School of Mines Golden, CO 80401 john@dix.mines.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fdm@engr.ucf.edu (Frederic D. McKenzie (Rick)) Subject: The Future of NeXT??????????????????????? Message-ID: <1993Feb12.224218.11282@cs.ucf.edu> Sender: news@cs.ucf.edu (News system) Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 22:42:18 GMT With all the conflicting discussion concerning whether or not NeXT drops its hardware, I have a few questions. Assuming that NeXT does drop its hardware line (just ASSUMING!), a) what is going to happen to the value of the existing NeXT machines? b) What kind of support will NeXT provide for existing NeXT users (hardware and software)? Possibly third party support? c) A friend of mine is thinking of purchasing a NeXT, Do you think this is a good idea considering what may or may not happen? d) Has NeXT investigated the use of RISC technologies to overcome the 33 MHz limitation? I'm not trying to alarm anyone. I'm just interested in the opinions of NeXT users about how they think the company would handle such a situation. In my opinion, it will be a shame to lose the uniqueness of the NeXT machine. Thanks for your input, Rick fdm@engr.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Tough choice: switch to 486 ?? Message-ID: <1993Feb13.005811.19317@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Feb12.002217.1995@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <1993Feb12.024943.19410@cs.yale.edu> <1993Feb12.045711.7908@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 00:58:11 GMT In article <1993Feb12.045711.7908@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes: >In article <1993Feb12.024943.19410@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >>In article <1993Feb12.002217.1995@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> >>senseman@lucy.brainlab.utsa.edu (David M. Senseman) writes: >> >>> Might be a good time to look at SGI's Indigos. >> >>Oh please, get out of this group with this junk. SGI machines I agree. I don't see what it adds to the NeXT discussion. > >I don't blame you for being touchy -- finding out you now own >an orphan computer can't be easy. But lighten up. I didn't start >this thread -- switch to 486 -- I just offered a serious alternative >to a "PC Clone" running NextStep. Face it, NextStep on a PC clone >is NOT going to be all that interesting. Like everyone else, Jobs >will have to cater to a rather low "common denominator" to sell 486 >NextStep. Ready for VGA graphics and Soundblaster audio? I kinda thought >that most Next users had a little higher standards... I find it hard to believe that this many people have not looked at NS/Intel or the newer larger X86 machines. A 486 box DX2/50 is faster than an NSColor Turbo box in almost every operation, when properly and more cheaply configured. The graphics will be 16 bit color, same as turbo, and will go faster (on a Localbus video syste). One advantage is that people will be able to spend more money to upgrade their machines , faster disk video and networking). Everyone keeps confusing pecee machines running dos on small screens with X86 machines running 1Kx1K displays and real system software. >Having been in the PC/workstation business longer than I care to admit, >I don't see much a chance of NextStep seriously competing against Windows NT >and Novell's UNIX/Unixware. NextStep might be "insanely" great, >but on the other hand, it might only be "insane". It is going to be a long road. But not impossible. -- Joe Freeman jfreem@uncecs.edu The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my employer or anyone else I know of. Flames can be mailed to me or routed to /dev/null.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Babying your NeXT... Message-ID: <1993Feb13.011903.2126@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Feb12.192555.45143@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 01:19:03 GMT In article <1993Feb12.192555.45143@slate.mines.colorado.edu> john@klein.Mines.Colorado.EDU (John Stockwell) writes: > With NeXT discontinuing its hardware line and the potential > unavailability of spare parts, are there any tips > from NeXT gurus out there in Netland on > "babying your NeXT" so that it will last longer? One of the releases mentioned that service would be provided by Motorolla, so I assume they will acquire the stock of parts, and perhaps some of the NeXT employees. -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners) Subject: Re: The Future of NeXT??????????????????????? Message-ID: <1993Feb13.001649.7410@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University References: <1993Feb12.224218.11282@cs.ucf.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 00:16:49 GMT In article <1993Feb12.224218.11282@cs.ucf.edu> fdm@engr.ucf.edu (Frederic D. Mc Kenzie (Rick)) writes: I *just* spoke with Dr.Ron Weissman- Director of NeXT Strategic Marketing about the very same questions Fred is asking. Here we go... >With all the conflicting discussion concerning whether or not NeXT >drops its hardware, I have a few questions. > >Assuming that NeXT does drop its hardware line (just ASSUMING!), > Yes, they have. NeXT is now focusing on being a software only company. >a) what is going to happen to the value of the existing NeXT machines? > My *personal* guess is whatever the market will bear. I have a mono slab- it's a great box. Weissman said that NeXT will continue to issue software upgrades for a couple of years. >b) What kind of support will NeXT provide for existing NeXT users > (hardware and software)? Possibly third party support? 3rd party support is a definite possibility- Weissman said that there will be some announcements in the next 2-3 weeks concerning hardware support. Software- yes, yes, yes. There will be future releases of NS 4.0, etc available for the existing hardware. The question that I had- "Am I going to have to buy new software?" was answered by Dr.Weissman- "That depends on the individual companies." Which is *entirely* understandable and just- on the other hand I have to wonder about what kind of repsonse the software companies are going to have. There is a fine line between being generous (as far as rebates, credits, etc) and needing to pay the bills. I believe that the software companies - Word Perfect, Lotus, Stone, HSD, etc., should give almost free upgrades. Here's why: 1) Porting the code is not a huge issue (to my knowledge)- so they're not starting from scratch. 2) The goodwill to current users will go a long way- it's the current users of the OS that are going to sell/torpedo NeXTStep by word of mouth. To clip the current users as they transition to NS/Intel or NS/Pentium would be foolish. The idea I have is to charge a percentage of the selling price - 15 - 20% in order to cover media, porting and office costs. > >c) A friend of mine is thinking of purchasing a NeXT, Do you think > this is a good idea considering what may or may not happen? > Now would be a good time- there are plenty of sellers. I venture to guess that next.marketplace will be flooded. NeXT is *not* going to leave its customers high and dry. He did mention a turbo upgrade for non-turbo users, though. But furtherance of NeXT on a 680x0 has ceased. >d) Has NeXT investigated the use of RISC technologies to overcome > the 33 MHz limitation? > >I'm not trying to alarm anyone. I'm just interested in the opinions >of NeXT users about how they think the company would handle such a >situation. > >In my opinion, it will be a shame to lose the uniqueness of the >NeXT machine. > Weissman said that NeXT will make some announcements in the coming 2 - 3 weeks concerning support, etc. He also said that NeXTSTEP *will* be running on the Pentium and look for its availability in May. He didn't say anything about RISC- I didn't ask, though. He did use a 100mip number to describe the Pentium, though. (I know, I know- mips mean everything/nothing/almost nothing - that's the number he used...) >Thanks for your input, >Rick >fdm@engr.ucf.edu He did say to keep in touch using the 800/848-NeXT number concerning further announcements. I hope that the info helps clear up some of those questions...I'm sure that there are just as many unanswered ones. If there's anything that seems unclear in my post, mail me and I'll clarify- but I *don't* speak for NeXT. Weissman answered the best that he could based on what he knew. The next couple of weeks will be interesting... -- : Michael R. Conners : "Fighting for truth, justice, and the : : THE Ohio State University : American Way." - what that guy says : : College of Business : on "Superman" :
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: I need to read/write IBM-format 3.5 optical disks Message-ID: <18470@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 13 Feb 93 01:25:27 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Hi, We just got a new 3.5" 256 MB MO drive from Liberty, which works great, but with one problem. We have a PC with the same MOST drive, but with MO disks that are formatted as IBM (MS-DOS) format. We need to read/write these disks with our NeXT, but the NeXT doesn't support IBM format (just NeXT and Mac format!) I don't know why NeXT did this (is the IBM format a standard?). Anyway, Liberty said that they heard of some NeXT version of a program like Access-PC for the Mac (i.e. a program that would let the NeXT read PC MO disks). Does anyone know of such a program? An alternative solution is to use the Mac format on both ends, but unfortunately the PC doesn't support the Mac format. Thanks in advance for any help. Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jjb@halcyon.com (Jim Black) Subject: Re: Texel CD-rom drive Message-ID: <1993Feb12.171258.25659@nwnexus.WA.COM> Sender: sso@nwnexus.WA.COM (System Security Officer) Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505 References: <1993Feb11.052450.23180@chiton.ucsd.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 17:12:58 GMT cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) writes: > >Does anyone have experience with the Texel 5024 CD-rom drive? >(on a NeXT, of course) > >It seems to be one of the new generation of twice-audio-speed drives, >that is, 300kb/sec. and is priced noticeably less than the equivalent >NEC drive. I tried one and couldn't get it to work reliably with either my 25MHz cube or station. Variously, the mount would get zombied, I'd get i/o errors in the console, or I couldn't get it to stay working long enough to boot a CD-ROM and initialize a hard disk from it. (After many tries.) I tried playing with termination (internal and external), SCSI-line placement, and removing other devices and moresuch combinations than seemed sensible. On the other hand, the vendor claimed to install an OS with it on a turbo machine, and run successful i/o tests on non-turbo machines. - jim (jim@innova.wa.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Recommendation for a 3.5" HD for NeXTstation. Message-ID: <1993Feb13.140156.22769@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Keywords: harddisk Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <lnnprpINN7ql@ai.cs.utexas.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 14:01:56 GMT In article <lnnprpINN7ql@ai.cs.utexas.edu> yu@cs.utexas.edu (Yeong-Ho Yu) writes: >I am trying to replace my 105mb HD of my NeXTstation with >a large capacity (hopefully, > 500 mb) HD. > >I would appreciate recommendations from people's experinces. >A quiet drive would be better, but not mandatory. >Maker and model numbers will be great. I would put the drive external. A larger > 400 meg drive in the slab might not have enough ventilation. The drives that do best are the 1/3 height drives (1") -- Joe Freeman jfreem@uncecs.edu The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer, future employer, anyone in my family or anyone else I know of.
From: infidel+@CMU.EDU (Charles William Swiger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: monitor dimming Message-ID: <sfSzZRm00WB2RXy=Bq@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 12 Feb 93 09:24:13 GMT Article-I.D.: andrew.sfSzZRm00WB2RXy=Bq Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA In-Reply-To: <1993Feb11.201210.24114@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 11-Feb-93 monitor dimming by rodney.price@cbnewsg.cb. > My monitor has begun to dim after about two years of > nearly continuous operation. A while back I seem to > remember seeing a thread on dimming monitors, and an > inexpensive fix. Can anyone help me out? Sure. ----------------- I have adjusted several monitors with no problems, but make sure you know what you are doing before opening anything. I expressly disclaim responsibility for any ill results that may occur. In order to adjust NeXT's MegaPixel display (called 'the monitor' hereafter), you'll need (a) the NeXTtool (or an Allen wrench), (b) a plastic adjustment tool (preferred) or a thin bladed screwdriver, and possibly (c) a Phillips-head screwdriver. (NB: A similar procedure will work for color monitors, but you should either know what you're doing or you'll probably be better off letting a pro deal with it.) Turn off the computer. Disconnect all cables to the monitor. Look at the back of the monitor. There will be 4 screws there; use the NeXTtool (or Allen wrench) to remove them. Remove the plastic back of the monitor and put it out of your way. Reconnect the cables and turn the computer back on. As the machine powers up, examine the back of the monitor. You'll see a metallic box (usually silver, though some are black) surrounding the monitor's vitals. This protects you against the dangerous voltages inside, and also insulates the monitor from electromagnetic noise. On the back of this box are several holes for performing adjustments. There are two focus controls (labelled 'focus' and 'dynamic focus'), a brightness control (labelled 'brightness' or possibly 'black level') and several other that adjust various things like screen size and position. Depending on the exact placement of the controls on the circuit board of your specific monitor, some of these controls may be difficult (or impossible) to adjust from the back. If this is the case, I will describe what's necessary below. Otherwise, adjust the appropriate controls using either an adjustment tool or a screwdriver. Be warned that a screwdriver probably will cause some interesting video effects when it enters the case. Ignore this the best you can, or find a plastic adjustment tool, which is what you *really* should be using anyway. Using a flashlight will help you see into the hole so that you can align the business end of the tool correctly. Focus and position controls are fairly obvious. Adjust them slowly until you're happy with the results. Don't muck with anything you don't need to; the factory settings are usally pretty decent. To correctly adjust the brightness, follow this procedure: Turn the brightness of the monitor all the way down using the keyboard. Adjust the brightness control on the back of the monitor until a barely noticeable picture forms. Then turn the brightness down a little so this picture disappears completely. Check that you can get adequete brightness by using the keyboard to brighten the screen. If the display isn't bright enough, adjust the brightness control on the rear of the monitor high enough so that the monitor display is adequate. Note that you won't be able to dim the screen completely from the keyboard...sorry. Once you're finished, shut down the computer, take off the cables, reattach the back of the monitor, and reconnect the cables. You're done. If the control you need to adjust proves to be difficult, you may need to enter the metal case. This happened on one monitor's focus control and another's brightness. WARNING: THE VOLTAGES INSIDE THE MONITOR'S CASE ARE VERY DANGEROUS, EVEN WHEN THE MONITOR IS OFF. BE VERY CAREFUL, OR YOU CAN SERIOUSLY INJURE OR EVEN KILL YOURSELF. Do not perform the next instructions unless you are confident that you know what you are doing. You'll have to power off the computer again, and disconnect the cables. Looking at the monitor from the back, notice a section of metallic shielding on the right side of the metal box that extends to the picture tube. This is where the flyback tranformer is connected. It shields a wire that is charged to about 25,000 V. DO NOT TOUCH THIS WIRE, IT CAN SHOCK YOU THROUGH ITS INSULATION. Being very careful of this, remove the metal case by unscrewing the Philip's head screws that hold the case on. Don't touch the screws that hold the picture tube into the front of the monitor's case. Once you've gotten the metal box off, reconnect the cables. Figure out what control you're going to adjust, and make sure that you can do so without touching anything else inside. Again, *watch out* for the wire that connects to the picture tube on the right side. Power up the computer. I recommend that you use only one hand to make the adjustment, and that your other hand be placed in your pocket (or similar equivalent, if you're wearing clothes lacking pockets). This precaution reduces the chances that you'll make a short circuit between one hand, your heart, and the other hand-- a good idea. Perform the necessary adjustment(s), being very careful not to touch anything inside. Then shut down and reassemble the monitor, following the directions given above. Hopefully, these instructions will prove useful. Once again, please be very careful...I don't want your death and/or injury on my conscience (or a lawsuit, for that matter, either :-) Later, -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: 040 -> 486/pentium upgrade Message-ID: <1993Feb13.192024.14818@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 19:20:24 GMT IF, and only if, NeXT or somebody were to offer an upgrade board to take an 040 machine up to a 486 or Pentium machine, which do you think it would be for: A NeXTstation, cube, or both? Please, not would you *hope*, but what you would think would be the logical direction. A cube makes sense in that it is somewhat "expandable" anyways with the previous 030 -> 040 upgrade, the 4 ports, ND, etc..., but then again, it also seemed as though they were more interested in pushing the NeXT station, with it's more "conservative" slab and disk drive, etc. Also, please no flames. I am relatively new to the NeXT scene, and am hoping to be able to afford a NeXT, not a PretendComputer, but a genuine NeXT! ;)... I'm not trying to start a big "whaddya think..." speculation-flame war... this is mostly hypothetical anyways. Thanks, JT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jr@sade.ka.sub.org (Jochen Richter) Subject: Photo-CDs on Toshiba XM3401 CD-ROM Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 17:14:35 GMT Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn Sender: news@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Das Newssystem auf pilhuhn) Message-ID: <1993Feb13.171435.22871@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org> Hi, I've just connected the brand new Toshiba XM3401 (200ms, 330KB) to my NeXT. It works great with all the CD-ROMs I own (ISO, HFS, Rockridge) and is ultra fast. However, if I insert a Photo-CD the NeXT ejects it after a while. The drive is able to handle multisession Photo-CDs. Any help appreciated. -- Jochen Richter Phone +49-721-696922 Zahringerstrasse 57 Fax +49-721-696988 D-7500 Karlsruhe 1 e-mail: jr@sade.ka.sub.org Germany jr@resy.kfk.de (>50K)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: edundon@leland.Stanford.EDU (Elizabeth Anne Dundon) Subject: Re: The Future of NeXT??????????????????????? Message-ID: <1993Feb14.014538.10982@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <1993Feb12.224218.11282@cs.ucf.edu> <1993Feb13.001649.7410@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 93 01:45:38 GMT In article <1993Feb13.001649.7410@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners) writes: >In article <1993Feb12.224218.11282@cs.ucf.edu> fdm@engr.ucf.edu (Frederic D. Mc >Kenzie (Rick)) writes: > >I *just* spoke with Dr.Ron Weissman- Director of NeXT Strategic Marketing >about the very same questions Fred is asking. Here we go... > >>With all the conflicting discussion concerning whether or not NeXT >>drops its hardware, I have a few questions. >> >>Assuming that NeXT does drop its hardware line (just ASSUMING!), >> >Yes, they have. NeXT is now focusing on being a software only company. > >>a) what is going to happen to the value of the existing NeXT machines? >> > >My *personal* guess is whatever the market will bear. I have a mono slab- >it's a great box. Weissman said that NeXT will continue to issue software >upgrades for a couple of years. > >>b) What kind of support will NeXT provide for existing NeXT users >> (hardware and software)? Possibly third party support? > >3rd party support is a definite possibility- Weissman said that there will >be some announcements in the next 2-3 weeks concerning hardware support. >Software- yes, yes, yes. There will be future releases of NS 4.0, etc >available for the existing hardware. > >The question that I had- "Am I going to have to buy new software?" was >answered by Dr.Weissman- "That depends on the individual companies." Which is >*entirely* understandable and just- on the other hand I have to wonder about >what kind of repsonse the software companies are going to have. There is a >fine line between being generous (as far as rebates, credits, etc) and needing >to pay the bills. > >I believe that the software companies - Word Perfect, Lotus, Stone, HSD, etc., >should give almost free upgrades. Here's why: > >1) Porting the code is not a huge issue (to my knowledge)- so they're not >starting from scratch. > >2) The goodwill to current users will go a long way- it's the current users >of the OS that are going to sell/torpedo NeXTStep by word of mouth. To clip >the current users as they transition to NS/Intel or NS/Pentium would be >foolish. > >The idea I have is to charge a percentage of the selling price - 15 - 20% in >order to cover media, porting and office costs. > >> >>c) A friend of mine is thinking of purchasing a NeXT, Do you think >> this is a good idea considering what may or may not happen? >> > > Now would be a good time- there are plenty of sellers. I venture to >guess that next.marketplace will be flooded. NeXT is *not* going to leave >its customers high and dry. He did mention a turbo upgrade for non-turbo >users, though. But furtherance of NeXT on a 680x0 has ceased. > >>d) Has NeXT investigated the use of RISC technologies to overcome >> the 33 MHz limitation? >> >>I'm not trying to alarm anyone. I'm just interested in the opinions >>of NeXT users about how they think the company would handle such a >>situation. >> >>In my opinion, it will be a shame to lose the uniqueness of the >>NeXT machine. >> > > Weissman said that NeXT will make some announcements in the coming 2 - 3 >weeks concerning support, etc. He also said that NeXTSTEP *will* be running >on the Pentium and look for its availability in May. > > He didn't say anything about RISC- I didn't ask, though. He did use a >100mip number to describe the Pentium, though. (I know, I know- mips mean >everything/nothing/almost nothing - that's the number he used...) > >>Thanks for your input, >>Rick >>fdm@engr.ucf.edu > > > He did say to keep in touch using the 800/848-NeXT number concerning >further announcements. > > > I hope that the info helps clear up some of those questions...I'm sure >that there are just as many unanswered ones. > > If there's anything that seems unclear in my post, mail me and I'll >clarify- but I *don't* speak for NeXT. Weissman answered the best that he >could based on what he knew. The next couple of weeks will be interesting... >-- >: Michael R. Conners : "Fighting for truth, justice, and the : >: THE Ohio State University : American Way." - what that guy says : >: College of Business : on "Superman" : I have had verification of most of your information from other NeXT employees. Continued software support in terms of both systems and third-part seems fairly certain. However, I was told not to expect any hardware upgrades for current equipment. I would love an upgrade for my 25mhz station does anyone have any more information about this? --Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher) Subject: Re: Babying your NeXT... Message-ID: <1993Feb14.025832.4530@socrates.umd.edu> Keywords: hardware,maintenance Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <1993Feb12.192555.45143@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 02:58:32 GMT In article <1993Feb12.192555.45143@slate.mines.colorado.edu> john@klein.Mines.Colorado.EDU (John Stockwell) writes: >With NeXT discontinuing its hardware line and the potential >unavailability of spare parts, are there any tips >from NeXT gurus out there in Netland on >"babying your NeXT" so that it will last longer? It is my understanding that a computer manufacturer must maintain parts for servicing for seven years after discontinuing a product (this is why NeXT wanted your 030 board when you upgraded to the 040). I assume some arrangement will be made with Canon to actually handle this. Charlie BTW-John, do you do any work with turbulence? > >Thanks in advance. > >John Stockwell >Center for Wave Phenomena >Colorado School of Mines >Golden, CO 80401 > >john@dix.mines.colorado.edu -- NeXTMail to: | ...to confer, converse, and charlie@technosci.com | otherwise hobnob with my | brother wizards.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: monitor dimming Message-ID: <1993Feb13.004020.9731@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Feb11.201210.24114@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 00:40:20 GMT In article <1993Feb11.201210.24114@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rprice@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rodney.price) writes: > My monitor has begun to dim after about two years of > nearly continuous operation. A while back I seem to > remember seeing a thread on dimming monitors, and an > inexpensive fix. Can anyone help me out? NeXT has extended the warranty period for monochrome monitors to two years. Send mail to Paula_Lorenz@NeXT.com with the serial number of the slab with which the monitor came. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) Subject: Re: 040 -> 486/pentium upgrade Message-ID: <C2F84H.AHE@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <1993Feb13.192024.14818@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 04:21:53 GMT JT writes -> IF, and only if, NeXT or somebody were to offer an upgrade board to -> take an 040 machine up to a 486 or Pentium machine, which do you think -> it would be for: A NeXTstation, cube, or both? -> -> Please, not would you *hope*, but what you would think would be the -> logical direction. -> -> A cube makes sense in that it is somewhat "expandable" anyways with -> the previous 030 -> 040 upgrade, the 4 ports, ND, etc..., but then -> again, it also seemed as though they were more interested in pushing -> the NeXT station, with it's more "conservative" slab and disk drive, -> etc. -> -> Also, please no flames. I am relatively new to the NeXT scene, and am -> hoping to be able to afford a NeXT, not a PretendComputer, but a -> genuine NeXT! ;)... I'm not trying to start a big "whaddya think..." -> speculation-flame war... this is mostly hypothetical anyways. Hmm, well, okay...I don't think an "upgrade" is really feasible at all...I think if you want to upgrade you buy a new Pentium..If you take with you the monitor, RAM, and Disk (and other SCSI peripherials) then you should have most of the cost...if you are a hardware kinda guy you might even salvage the power supply... And if you have a new ADB keyboard...theoretically someone could fit a PC card that will talk ADB...but...Hey you can even take the 2.88M drive!...This may seem like a waste...but this is what people do in the PC world when jumping from a 386 to a 486.... But then who says Cannon isn't going to continue to produce these machine? -- ________________________________________________________________________ / 'The midnight sun will burn you up" -The Cure, Piggy in the Mirror / / soward@ms.uky.edu | soward@inslab.uky.edu (NeXT Mail) / /_______________________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: 040 -> 486/pentium upgrade Message-ID: <1993Feb14.201107.27428@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Feb13.192024.14818@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <C2F84H.AHE@ms.uky.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 20:11:07 GMT In article <C2F84H.AHE@ms.uky.edu> soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) writes: >JT writes >-> IF, and only if, NeXT or somebody were to offer an upgrade board to >-> take an 040 machine up to a 486 or Pentium machine, which do you think >-> it would be for: A NeXTstation, cube, or both? I can't imagine any way it would be cost effective to do an upgrade board. What tends to happen is a company offers an upgrade so the current owners feel protected. But, many times very few of the upgrades are actually purchased. >-> >-> >-> A cube makes sense in that it is somewhat "expandable" anyways with >-> the previous 030 -> 040 upgrade, the 4 ports, ND, etc..., but then >-> again, it also seemed as though they were more interested in pushing >-> the NeXT station, with it's more "conservative" slab and disk drive, >-> etc. The NeXTStation sold because it was cheaper to make and cheaper to sell. Large volume purchasers went to it immediately. That made NeXT interested in selling "slabs". >-> >-> Also, please no flames. I am relatively new to the NeXT scene, and am I hope this did not come across as a flame. There is enough of that in these groups already. -- Joe Freeman jfreem@uncecs.edu The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer, future employer, anyone in my family or anyone else I know of.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Disconnecting the Internal Hard Drive Message-ID: <1993Feb14.204107.2202@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Sun, 14 Feb 93 20:41:07 GMT Hi- I want to disconnect my internal hard drive because it is too noisy (it's a Seagate 400 MB). Do I need to worry about terminating the internal SCSI connector? If I leave the drive in but disconnect the power cable, does the presence of the inactive (powered-down) drive provide the proper termination? Or is that a bad thing to do? I disconnected it before and didn't worry about termination, but that was only temporarily, and I didn't wait around to see if there were any detrimental effects. It seemed to work fine without any termination (with nothing connected to the internal SCSI connector). Thanks, -Avery
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HardDrive purchase report (Toshiba MK528FB 1.2GB 3.5") Keywords: Toshiba, MK538FB, vs micropolis, seagate Message-ID: <45018@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 14 Feb 93 21:53:57 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Final Report on disk drive purchase Some of you may still remember that I pleaded with netland for help with a diskdrive purchase about a month ago. Well, I finally made my decision after several weeks of waffling, and got a Toshiba MK538FB 1.2GB formatted 3.5" drive a couple of days ago ($1449). After making an enclosure for it(converted a PC case to take a SCSI type Centronics-50 connector, made some ribbon cables, etc) and setting it on a couple of heat sinks so it sits in the body of the case rather than in one of the drive bays on the front, it was finally connected up to my NeXTstation Turbo running 2.2. It was recognized right away, and after clicking on <initialize> in the pop-up window, it brought up a new disk with 1.175GB of usable space. I editted the fstab to bring it up at boot-up time rather than mounting it upong user login, and it worked fine. Its SCSI ID jumpers are set to make it target2 (the internal drive which came with the NeXT is target1). I then tried to use my (2.0)BuildDisk application on it, and it came back after 30 minutes with a report that there were errors, and it may not function as a bootable device. In the ROM monitor window, I asked it to bsd(1,0,0) and it came back with a report that it was booting (1,0,0) from sd1 (the new Toshiba) at target 2 but when all was said and done, it turns out that it booted from the old system (root mounted on sd0) after all. If anyone can tell me what I'm doing wrong with that, I'd be pleased to know... Well, the Toshiba runs really quietly. When it's doing a seek, it makes an intermittent chittering noise, kind of like there's a bug in the drive case (or like when my modem finally completes the connection after exchanging whining sounds with the host...) It is not actually loud enough to bother me. The fan on the slab is actually the loudest item I have under typical usage conditions. When the chittering is one, it's slightly louder. One thing about the Toshiba which may bother people (it bothers me) is that it gives off a high-pitching whining sound when its spindle is powered up. (which doesn't happen until bootup). Drives me crazy after a few hours, actually, but then my hearing adapts or something. Sounds like the whining on my TV, actually, but not as loud. Putting foam on the box doesn't work to block it out. Does anyone have any ideas about how to deal with this? The Toshiba MK538-FB has specs that claim its average seek time to be 12.5 ms. I tried copying some files back and forth from my internal 239MB Seagate (supplied by NeXT) to the Toshiba (which I've named TheWhiner). Copying single large files is faster onto the Toshiba than from the Toshiba. Duplicating a file from the Seagate onto the Seagate takes longer than duplicating a file on the Toshiba onto the Toshiba -- a difference of a couple of seconds on a file about 3MB in size. This says to me that the seek time when it's checking out the inodes or whatnot is making the difference and that the Toshiba is the faster of the two drives. I am overall very happy with this purchase so far (although with the recent net traffic about the possible unreliability of some Toshiba mechanisms I am still holding my breath slightly. Any information about this would be appreciated also...). Another real plus for me is that this drive actually formats up to 1.17 GB rather than 0.88 GB, which is what 1.2GB unformatted drives do. (And as always, the top 10% is reserved for the fast file system and is not available to the user. Still 1.02 GB of user-available space is impressive). This is from someone who is already looking forward to terabyte technology :-) as she greedily generates bigger and bigger files. The drive comes preformatted with block size of 512bytes. It can gain an extra 60 MB of space by resizing the blocks to be 1024, and there's problably enough info in the OEM manual to work out how (maybe with a lot of work that's beyond my capabilities right now) to do this. Another supposed benefit of larger block sizes is an increase in the speed of disk transactions. Related to sector sizes, an odd message showed up during the initialization process (under BuildDisk which presents a message window). This was" Warning: 4096 bytes per inode impossible due to cylinder group size, using 5569 bytes per inode. Reduce cylinder group size to reduce bytes per inode." Anyone know what this means? Also: "Warning: 384 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated" Same question about this: What's it all mean? :-) I purchased from DC Drives (Dirt Cheap Drives) in Texas (800)872-600 at a price of $1449 plus $18 for UPS Blue shipping. They have a 30 day return policy with 15% restocking charge. Toshiba has a five-year warranty on this drive, with the first year handled through the dealer and the subsequent 4 years handled by the owner directly through Toshiba at their Irvine, California location. DC said that any noise or vibrational problems would be handled by replacement at no charge (I asked specifically since some people warned me about some drives vibrating so much that they were afraid their *other* peripherals would shake loose). Since I didn't encounter this problem, I can't evaluate their possible response. I am not associated in any way with these people other than being a first-time customer as of a few days ago. The drive shipped (it's 2" x 4" x 6", very tiny) with one sheet of paper that showed the jumper settings and a few instructions on how to install it (very minimal) (they have top and bottom confused in the fig but it turns out to be irrelevant because this drive can be mounted either upside down or sideways, it doesn't matter). I made a phone call to Toshiba (long distance, was put on hold for 10 min before a real person answered) and they were very obliging in their technical support and mailed me (like INSTANTLY) the OEM manual, which contains lots of stuff like power and temperature specs, SCSI command codes and such stuff as that. I think this information is pretty darn useful to have! They didn't even charge me (a nice change from WangTek which charged me $35 recently for the manual of a tape drive I bought) The person who talked to me over the phone was happy to answer the simple questions I had about which orientation to mount it in. She was more helpful than many 'tech support' people I've dealt with, plus she was willing to look up the actual numbers in the manual. The claimed MTBF on this drive is 200,000 hours. I think that works out to 25 years. (hmmm). One thing I don't understand is that right next to the MTBF number, it says that the service life is 5 years. Now how do these two numbers jibe? Now that I've finally bought the drive, some reports of bad things have come to my attention. 1) drive runs hot. Not a problem for me since I have lots of room in my external case, and I have installed heat sinks. Note that I wouldn't recommend this drive for an internal in the slab. 2) Some Toshiba models have the reputation of bad mechanisms. This has been reported by an end-user, but model number wasn't included. 3) Someone had trouble with a succession of media errors on the disk. Yikes! I hope this isn't a general problem. (Wes, I hope you got that fixed somehow) The Toshiba handles the appearance of bad blocks by assigning a previously reserved, unused, block to substitute for that block. Many thanks to the following nice people for having helped me by sending me reports on their experiences with the drives that they purchased. I only got good reports about the Toshiba MK538FB drive. The Micropolis and Seagate GB drives that I also considered had both good and bad reports. Toshiba was generally said to be unreliable by dealers, although they did not specify which models were involved, so I decided to go with the (then current) results of my survey. I am pretty happy with my purchase. (Ok, I am grinning in an unrestrained manner). I posted a report a couple of weeks ago that summarized their general comments about assorted drives, and since that status has not changed, I will not repeat the summary. Anyone interested in a particular drive can email me for info. Thanks to: Steve Anderson Brian Bias Jim Black Hugo Burm Mirko Canji David Chou Robert Frank Mark Frank Barney Frazer Pascal Gaudette John Goshy Helmut Heller Marc Holz Jim_Laredo Thor Legvold David Lemson Carl Lowenstein John A. Mastrolia scott@geom.umn.edu David A. Silva Wesley C. Smith Tang Tang Alastair Thomson N Tomczak-Jaegermann (mj) Andreas Wrede I tried to respond by e-mail to everyone, but in some cases e-mail may have bounced, so if I was apparently rude to anyone, I beg forgiveness. My sincere gratitude to each and every person for taking the time to help me out, some of whom I've had long correspondences with, and some of whom sent me *lots* of info and price lists, etc. Thanks again everyone! -Lily Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu The usual disclaimers. I apologize for any errors that may have crept in despite proofing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: prange@sdr.slb.com (Michael Prange) Subject: Serial port problem Message-ID: <C2GrGK.HDv@sdr.slb.com> Sender: news@sdr.slb.com Organization: Schlumberger-Doll Reasearch Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 00:17:07 GMT Serial port A on my non-turbo slab isn't working properly. I can log into ttya from a remote terminal, but nothing prints on the terminal screen. Is there a cheap fix for this problem? Please reply by mail. Michael prange@sdr.slb.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) Subject: Re: 040 -> 486/pentium upgrade Message-ID: <1993Feb15.091326.21123@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 09:13:26 GMT In article <C2F84H.AHE@ms.uky.edu> soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) writes: >JT writes >-> IF, and only if, NeXT or somebody were to offer an upgrade board to >-> take an 040 machine up to a 486 or Pentium machine, which do you think >-> it would be for: A NeXTstation, cube, or both? The ONLY way that I think we are going to see an upgrade is if Cannon decides that they want to use the NeXT factory to make a PC with the same case/power supply as a current machine. If they do then a motherboard swap would be possible, there is even an incentive for Cannon to do it if they will most likely be subcontracted to fulfil NeXT's hardware service contracts, and I'm sure that they could use the swapped boards for spare parts. Of course you would have to get a new keyboard, and possibly a monitor. Unfortunately Cannon will probably just buy someone else's motherboards and retool for a different case/ power supply. Especially since none of the NeXT configurations are shaped similarly to most PCs. The slab doesn't have room for expansion slots, and the cube has too large of a footprint, with too few drive bays (compared to a PC tower case). But who knows, maybe Cannon will work some kind of a trade in order to have enough spare parts. I'm just going to wait and see what happens. I'm happy with my slab, so as long as it doesn't break down I'm not going to worry too much about getting a new system. Rick Francis rickf@leland.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ric-mommer@uiowa.edu Subject: Toshiba, APS, and SPIN (author's reply) Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Feb15.090153.26802@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 09:01:53 GMT Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Dear Arturo Pinzon (and others who responded to my post): First of all, I would like to make something clear. Ric Mommer posted the note for me, Tim Dawson, as a favor. (I do not have a news feed.) The opinions and experiences in the note were mine, not his. It is unfortunate that so many people have mistaken the post as being his. I do not wish people to think that he is an "ass_hole" as you, Arturo, have suggested in your note. > But those hundreds of good mail-order companies do not > provide as good HD's as APS does.. On the contrary, many of these mail-order companies provide the _same_exact_ mechanisms. All I bought was an internal hard drive - for the same price as three other companies were advertising for that mechanism at the time. Obviously I made the wrong choice. 8^) > Have you take into account.. What kind of attitude did you > call them with. If you were an ass_hole complaining, you > got your equal back. First of all, I was very patient with them, while still holding my ground with them that I was not going to accept less than what I thought was fair. I only became upset after I was lied to. EVEN IF I had been an "ass_hole complaining", it is the job of customer service employees to keep me as a happy customer. (A job they failed miserably at, I might add.) While that doesn't always include giving me what I want, it certainly doesn't include rudeness and lies orchestrated to get me off their backs. I know this from experience, because I have worked in customer service jobs before, and have dealt with my fair share of bad customers. > APS, has been a good company, gives a good support, and > built the most reliable HD's. I am glad to hear that not everyone is treated rudely by APS. Please keep in mind, however, that they deal in commodities, and do not _build_ HD's. If they sell (mostly) reliable HD's, it's because they buy them from someone else. I must have gotten hold of a bad model (as in my post, I have heard bad things about this drive model from other people). > Your advise(sic).. I will take it as your own, perosnal(sic) > Angry feelings. Not as an advise(sic). My post was meant to warn people about the bad service I got at APS. It was not meant as a revenge post. However, take it however you want. (you will anyway...) > Whomever have used APS drives, they have their own > Opinions of the company. I and Lots of people I know that > Have APS drives, are happy with their drives. Good. Have they had problems with them yet? I was perfectly happy with my APS drive until it went bad and I had to talk to their customer service department. Most people will never have a problem with a hard drive they purchase from _anyone_, it just doesn't happen that often. But when it does, quality customer service is important. > If anyone ask me what drives to buy. I will always send > them to APS. Do whatever you want. There are other companies, such as SPIN, who offer the _same_exact_ mechanisms that APS does, for (usually) the same price. These people know what customer service is all about. A friend had a problem with a hard drive bought from them once - after his 90 (NOT 30) day money back guarantee. They sent him new drives (of a different mechanism) onto which he copied his data from the bad drives. Then, they gave him a _full_refund_ on the bad drives, AND a special discount on the new mechanism he got. All this with the "how can I help make things right" attitude and not the "gee I'm sorry you had a problem but it's not MY fault" attitude I got at APS. SPIN has a new customer in me - maybe you should lighten up and give them a try. You might be surprised. > Besides, The person in the phone answering your call, > does not run the company. I will never give up the > oportunity(sic) to get a good reliable HD, just because > some customer assistant jerk got in my nerves. I have to say that the people answering my call represent the company they work for. And again, that you do not have to give up the opportunity to get a good reliable HD. You can get them LOTS of places - most often along with good service. > You can always call people in higher positions and bitch > them about customer services. If you read my note a little closer, you will see that I was talking to the "manager of technical support". He was the guy who answered the phone. Imagine my surprise when I wanted to talk to the manager about his attitude problem. (He was probably just upset about having to work on Saturday. 8^) I really didn't mean to start a flame war here. It seems like it's nearly impossible to post _anything_ without _somebody_ flaming you. (It's no wonder I haven't bothered getting a news feed.) If you have had good service from APS, I am happy to hear it. I obviously did not receive good service. All I wanted to do was to warn a few people about a company I had a very bad experience with. Take my advice as just that - advice. I am not telling people who they can and cannot buy hardware from. I never listened to any advice my father gave to me (though now I wish I had 8^) and while I can hope (for your sake), I do not _expect_ anyone to heed my advice. I now return you to other flame wars already in progress. - Tim /-----------------------------------------------------\ | Timothy A. Dawson | | | Software Engineer | This space for rent. | | Integrity Solutions, Inc.| but NOT to APS 8^) | | St. Paul, MN | | \-----------------------------------------------------/
From: izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Support Ariel DSP card on NS/Intel (Re: Hardware wishlist..) Date: 15 Feb 1993 10:11:48 GMT Organization: /etc/organization Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1lnq94$fvg@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <-c93kwh@rpi.edu> <86858@ut-emx.uucp> Keywords: DSP, 56001 In article <86858@ut-emx.uucp> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: >Does Canon make any products for the PC ? It would be nice if they >could take the whole DSP subsystem and make a PC card that works with >NeXTSTEP/Intel Ariel already sells a PC card that is the whole DSP subsystem including the NeXT compatible DSP port, plus optional A/D D/A converters. DSP RAM can be upto 128k x 24 bits. It's called PC-56D. NeXT should bundle the compatible sound/DSP drivers to this card at least to allow existing DSP peripherals such as Digital Ears work with NS/Intel. It NeXT has no interest in supporitng DSP, NeXT should provide the sound/DSP driver source code for this card an an example of how to use the DriverKit(?). It's the least NeXT can do for those companies that came out with usuful applications that made use of the DSP -- e.g., Ariel, MetaResearch(?) of Digital Ears, Digital Eye, Hayes of ISDN adapter and others I am probably missing. NeXT sound/DSP driver defined a standard for different apps to use a sigle DSP (in turn). Don't drop this standard because I don't want these companies, if they still come out with NS/Interl support, to write different and incompatible drivers that works only with their own products. NeXT will prevent a disaster, like that of PC serial port where each vendor of a communications program had to write a low-level interrupt driver for the COM port, if they keep the DSP driver standard. Does Ariel, or any other developers of DSP hardware/software care to comment on this, or your next move? -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $BBg_78^=;(B ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTmail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (SYSTEM 0PERATOR) Subject: Needed Message-ID: <cXD1yB1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com (MadNuG BBS General Account) Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 10:35:11 GMT Howdy, I am in desperate need of a 68040 25MHz NeXTCube Motherboard. Its is for upgrading our 68030 Cube BBS machine to something that will give a little more power for people on-line. Continuing on the needed list; 1. Keyboard (I don't care which one) 2. Mouse (no ADB stuff please) If you have anything that you are looking to spare for a reasonable price, please drop me a note with what you have and your asking price. Thank You, - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: NeXTStation making ticking sounds Message-ID: <1993Feb15.095048.417@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 09:50:48 GMT My NeXTStation color (non turbo) is making quiet ticking sounds. I powered the machine off and the sounds stopped, so I know it is the actual slab making the sounds. (I also powered off the monitor and everything else in the room, and the noise only stops when the slab is off). In the space of a second it will tick about 4 - 5 times, and than stop for 1/2 to 1 second, than start again. It sounds like keys jingling like they would in your car's ignition. Anybody know what this is? It is constant and not related to disk access, my guess is the fan, but I haven't opened it up to see (hate lifting the monitor). It's a little annoying, but I'm mainly worried something wierd is going on that could turn into a problem. Thanks for any help -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
From: eilts@late.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Hinrich Eilts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Disconnecting the Internal Hard Drive Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 13:37:13 GMT Organization: LATE, Uni-Erlangen, Germany Message-ID: <1lo6a9E4lp@uni-erlangen.de> References: <1993Feb14.204107.2202@leland.Stanford.EDU> avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) writes: >I want to disconnect my internal hard drive because it is too noisy (it's a >Seagate 400 MB). Do I need to worry about terminating the internal SCSI >connector? I removed my harddisk without any further internal termination and plugged a terminated external harddisk. No problems since month. >If I leave the drive in but disconnect the power cable, does the >presence of the inactive (powered-down) drive provide the proper termination? Yes, it have to if terminators are on the drive. -- Bye | G i b D O S | Hinrich Eilts | k e i n e | (e-mail: eilts@late.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de) | C h a n c e ! |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) Subject: Re: Disconnecting the Internal Hard Drive References: <1lo6a9E4lp@uni-erlangen.de> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 17:31:37 GMT Message-ID: <1993Feb15.173137.15160@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Hinrich Eilts writes > avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) writes: > >I want to disconnect my internal hard drive because it is too noisy (it's a > >Seagate 400 MB). Do I need to worry about terminating the internal SCSI > >connector? > I removed my harddisk without any further internal termination and > plugged a terminated external harddisk. No problems since month. Both ends of the SCSI chain should be terminated unless it is _really_ short (so short that it doesn't act like a transmission line.). If you have an external drive, both ends of the connnection should be terminated. You're prob. getting away with not doing this because the bus is so short. If you use a longer cable or add another SCSI device to the bus, you _will_ have probs unless you terminate the CPU end. > >If I leave the drive in but disconnect the power cable, does the > >presence of the inactive (powered-down) drive provide the proper termination? > Yes, it have to if terminators are on the drive. Not necessarily. It depends on the type of termination in the drive. --Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nwc (Nick Christopher) Subject: comp.sys.next.hardware - ironic group name Message-ID: <C2C841.24q@ny.shl.com> Sender: usenet@ny.shl.com (Net News) Organization: SHL Systemhouse Inc. Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1993 13:28:48 GMT This groups name is a bit ironic now :-) \n Nicholas Christopher Systemhouse nwc@ny.shl.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: root@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Operator) Subject: Re: Support Ariel DSP card on NS/Intel (Re: Hardware wishlist..) Message-ID: <1993Feb15.183114.28972@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1lnq94$fvg@agate.berkeley.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 18:31:14 GMT In article <1lnq94$fvg@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@mindseye.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > In article <86858@ut-emx.uucp> rpomeroy@aunext1.amd.com writes: > >Does Canon make any products for the PC ? It would be nice if they > >could take the whole DSP subsystem and make a PC card that works with > >NeXTSTEP/Intel > > Ariel already sells a PC card that is the whole DSP subsystem > including the NeXT compatible DSP port, plus optional > A/D D/A converters. DSP RAM can be upto 128k x 24 bits. > It's called PC-56D. > Hey, doesn't Ariel make a dual 96002 card for the PC !?!?! Then this whole hardware affair has another bright side to it!!! Assuming that the future DSP/sounddrivers are compatible with it!!!!!!! -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware - ironic group name Message-ID: <tlm.729804823@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <C2C841.24q@ny.shl.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 19:33:43 GMT In <C2C841.24q@ny.shl.com> nwc (Nick Christopher) writes: >This groups name is a bit ironic now :-) Well, I'm not a big reader of the alt groups, but is there an alt.edsel (which, quite analogously, was a commercial failure but a wonderful car) or other groups denoted to "collectors items"? The humor columnist Dave Barry said he occasionally gets invited to conventions of Chevy Vega owners (apparently the first new car he ever bought was a Vega) which he characterized as a bunch of guys standing around comparing rust-filled envelopes (all that would be left of the cars :) I think we're a little better off :) Tom >\n >Nicholas Christopher >Systemhouse >nwc@ny.shl.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards) Subject: Re: 040 -> 486/pentium upgrade Message-ID: <1993Feb15.220714.7431@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <1993Feb15.091326.21123@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 93 22:07:14 GMT In article <1993Feb15.091326.21123@leland.Stanford.EDU>, rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) writes: |> In article <C2F84H.AHE@ms.uky.edu> soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John |> Soward) writes: |> >JT writes |> >-> IF, and only if, NeXT or somebody were to offer an upgrade board to |> >-> take an 040 machine up to a 486 or Pentium machine, which do you think |> >-> it would be for: A NeXTstation, cube, or both? |> |> The ONLY way that I think we are going to see an upgrade is if Cannon |> decides that they want to use the NeXT factory to make a PC with the same |> case/power supply as a current machine. If they do then a motherboard |> swap would be possible, there is even an incentive for Cannon to do it if |> they will most likely be subcontracted to fulfil NeXT's hardware service |> contracts, and I'm sure that they could use the swapped boards for spare |> parts. Of course you would have to get a new keyboard, and possibly a |> monitor. |> |> Unfortunately Cannon will probably just buy someone else's motherboards |> and retool for a different case/ power supply. |> [...] Actually, I took a tour of the NeXT plant recently, and from what I saw, the only thing that was done there was assembly. That is, all they did there was stuff PC boards, wave solder em, and stick em in cases. I never saw any equipment to injection mold cases or make the pc boards themselves. The line was highly automated (almost everything was done by robots) and very flexible (all the robots were controlled by software running on NeXTs). They already stuff a number of different shaped pc boards on the same line so differing shape factors should not be a hindrance. Larry Edwards
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware - ironic group name Message-ID: <C2Ioq3.D1n@unix.portal.com> Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) References: <C2C841.24q@ny.shl.com> <tlm.729804823@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 01:13:13 GMT > >The humor columnist Dave Barry said he occasionally gets invited to >conventions of Chevy Vega owners (apparently the first new car he ever >bought was a Vega) which he characterized as a bunch of guys standing >around comparing rust-filled envelopes (all that would be left of the >cars :) > >I think we're a little better off :) > After spending months telling one of my bosses how good the hardware is, much to his annoyance, this morning he thought he had the last word in shaking my hand and congratulating me on 'buying the DeLoren of the computer hardware industry - it'll be a classic', I smiled, little did he know that NeXTSTEP486 is waiting in the wings! Good luck to 'em! Brian Leake, Fox River Financial Resources, Inc. Research and Development. p
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Distribution: world Message-ID: <dillon.0upe@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> References: <1993Jan29.051941.3782@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> <C1MnA8.9AG@news2.cis.umn.edu> <108843@bu.edu> <C1v216.GD1@mach1.wlu.ca> Date: 13 Feb 93 11:58:28 PST Organization: Not an Organization >In article <C1v216.GD1@mach1.wlu.ca> psop4@mach1.wlu.ca (paul sop u) writes: >>In article <108843@bu.edu> mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) writes: >> Also, I don't know why you think color maps are a bad idea. For >>instance, on a NeXT colorstation, you get 4 bits per color component, period. > >'4 bits per color component'... your jargon doesn't make sense. > >Anyway, color maps are bad because they take up A LOT of processing time when >you work with colour in a complex or high level way. Let's compare 24 >bit color with a colourtable (say 32768 entries large) when we want >to display 3 images on screen simultaniously: >24bit Large Colour Lookup Table >===== ========================= >Image one: >Put the pixels up Check each pixel to see if the >literally. If we are requested colour is in the map. >representing >24bits, If not, add the colour to the map >just scale values. and put the pixel up on the screen > using colour x from the table. > * Repeat for every pixel. > Note: We now have FEWER entries > in our colour table! This is total nonsense. While I personally prefer direct-mapped displays, the overhead of using a color lookup table is almost nil, even in complex window sharing environments. You do not have to do any kind of per-pixel check or even per-operation check, most color lookup operations are easily cachable (and, in fact, ARE cached). The only difference between a color lookup table and a direct-mapped display is (A) The amount of memory one takes verses the other and (B) the additional OS complexity involved in managing a color lookup table. Actually, to tell you the truth, I really much prefer the Amiga's HAM mode, especially the 8 (or was it 10?) bit HAM mode the new chipset has. It takes little video memory but effectively gives you a large number of bits per gun with direct-mapped-like access. Each pixel can indicate a base line color table lookup entry or an R, G, or B delta from the previous pixel. >...AND... All of this mess is simply gotten rid of by having a >REAL 24 bit display. Wonderful if you have the memory, but color lookup tables and like minded schemes can give you the same wonderful color pictures with much, much less memory and less hardware complexity. This is a perfectly valid reason for having a color lookup table and I dare say that 24 bit NeXT color machines would page a lot less and cost a lot less if they had the fallback capability of using an 8 bit color lookup table. Think 1/3 the memory... a tradeoff that I would say is justifiable in many situations. Not everyone needs photorealistic windows. >psop4@mach1.wlu.ca Master Iconoclastic Whimsicality >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Paul Sop Consultant - Computing Services - Wilfrid Laurier University -- Matthew Dillon dillon@Overload.Berkeley.CA.US 1005 Apollo Way uunet.uu.net!overload!dillon Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware - ironic group name Message-ID: <tlm.729842011@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <C2C841.24q@ny.shl.com> <tlm.729804823@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <C2Ioq3.D1n@unix.portal.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 05:53:31 GMT In <C2Ioq3.D1n@unix.portal.com> raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) writes: >> >>The humor columnist Dave Barry said he occasionally gets invited to >>conventions of Chevy Vega owners (apparently the first new car he ever >>bought was a Vega) which he characterized as a bunch of guys standing >>around comparing rust-filled envelopes (all that would be left of the >>cars :) >> >>I think we're a little better off :) >> >After spending months telling one of my bosses how good the hardware is, >much to his annoyance, this morning he thought he had the last word >in shaking my hand and congratulating me on 'buying the DeLoren of the >computer hardware industry - it'll be a classic', I smiled, little >did he know that NeXTSTEP486 is waiting in the wings! Good luck to 'em! Wow! There's a thought. I'd kill for a DeLorean (well....I'm the non-violent type, so maybe just maim for it :) and met a fellow a few years ago with one who told me he got pricey offers for every time he took a drive. The biggest problem was his fear of actually driving it, since if some idiot clipped him the stainless steel body would have to be painted, no replacement panels to be found I guess (or was it a single piece?). We're definitely better off since suitable black spray paint can always be had. TLM
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest Date: 16 Feb 1993 07:42:30 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1lq5t6$rbl@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <dillon.0upe@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> In article <dillon.0upe@overload.Berkeley.CA.US> dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon) writes: >>In article <C1v216.GD1@mach1.wlu.ca> psop4@mach1.wlu.ca (paul sop u) writes: >> >>Anyway, color maps are bad because they take up A LOT of processing time when >>you work with colour in a complex or high level way. Let's compare 24 >>bit color with a colourtable (say 32768 entries large) when we want >>to display 3 images on screen simultaniously: > > >>24bit Large Colour Lookup Table >>===== ========================= >>Image one: >>Put the pixels up Check each pixel to see if the >>literally. If we are requested colour is in the map. >> .... > > This is total nonsense. While I personally prefer direct-mapped > displays, the overhead of using a color lookup table is almost nil, I agree that the argument is total nonsense. But, hey, it doesn't matter any more. We can go either way from now on. PC hardware is PC hardware and most video boards have the LUTs and we can get info on how to access them. It's up to you and us to decide whether to stick with direct color and/or to mess with the LUTs when necessary, with all the benefits and risks that come with it. NeXT cannot force us not to use the LUTs by not releasing the necessary hardware information. So, mess with LUTs if you want to, and stick with the recommended methods if you don't have to. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Disconnecting the Internal Hard Drive Date: 16 Feb 1993 02:06:20 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1lqeasINNnqt@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1lo6a9E4lp@uni-erlangen.de> <1993Feb15.173137.15160@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> In article <1993Feb15.173137.15160@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: >Hinrich Eilts writes >> avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) writes: >> >I want to disconnect my internal hard drive because it is too noisy >(it's a >> >Seagate 400 MB). Do I need to worry about terminating the internal >SCSI >> >connector? >> I removed my harddisk without any further internal termination and >> plugged a terminated external harddisk. No problems since month. I am thinking about buying a Micropolis 2.0 gig 5.25" external and giving my internal 210 meg 3.5" Quantum to my Mac and I too would like to know if strange things will happen if I turn my external drive on and off between sessions while leaving my NeXT on 24hrs. Do ya think this would work out? I think it will but would like another oppinion. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kosower@nxth02 (David Kosower) Subject: European source for cables Message-ID: <1993Feb16.103041.7650@dxcern.cern.ch> Sender: news@dxcern.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 10:30:41 GMT Does anyone know of a *European* phone/mail-order source for NeXT cables: modem cables, SCSI-1 <-> 2, etc.? Although I read the group, I would appreciate direct replies. Apologies if this is a FAQ. David A. Kosower kosower@nxth02.cern.ch
From: byrne@cstore-next.cl.msu.edu (Eric J. Byrne) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware - ironic group name Date: 16 Feb 1993 15:32:18 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1lr1e2$e1f@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <C2C841.24q@ny.shl.com> In article <C2C841.24q@ny.shl.com> nwc (Nick Christopher) writes: > > This groups name is a bit ironic now :-) > > \n > Nicholas Christopher > Systemhouse > nwc@ny.shl.com Why? Did your NeXT machine disappear on February 10th? Mine didn't. Its's still here and it still runs. Even still makes that little whine in the disk drive, which I believe, is why this group is still valuable... Eric Byrne
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Disconnecting the Internal Hard Drive Message-ID: <1993Feb16.095959.15907@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 09:59:59 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <1993Feb14.204107.2202@leland.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <1993Feb14.204107.2202@leland.Stanford.EDU> writes: > Hi- > > I want to disconnect my internal hard drive because it is too noisy (it's a > Seagate 400 MB). Do I need to worry about terminating the internal SCSI > connector? If I leave the drive in but disconnect the power cable, does the > presence of the inactive (powered-down) drive provide the proper termination? > Or is that a bad thing to do? > > I disconnected it before and didn't worry about termination, but that was only > temporarily, and I didn't wait around to see if there were any detrimental > effects. It seemed to work fine without any termination (with nothing > connected to the internal SCSI connector). > > Thanks, > -Avery Note that the internal drive provides the SCSI termination power. If you disconnect the powersupply but leave the SCSI bus on, this power is no longer supplied. There is also the possibility that the 'passiv' SCSI on the powerless drive gets 'activated' by the external drives when data is passwd. This is verry drive specific and may or may not happen. If you just disconnect the power supply, and the drive doesn't mind being on an active bus, you could just supply the termination power from the external drive and 'unjumper' the termination power supply of the internal drive. If you remove the internal drive, you should terminate the internal bus. Robert -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch ( if all fails try frank@urz.unibas.ch )
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware - ironic group name Date: 16 Feb 1993 17:34:54 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1lr8juINNp4m@gap.caltech.edu> References: <tlm.729804823@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <C2Ioq3.D1n@unix.portal.com> <tlm.729842011@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Seriously though, there will be more need for this newsgroup than ever with the advent of NeXTstep/Intel. Now we will be worried about assembling entire machines out of verious vendor's parts, as opposed to simply adding the occasional SCSI device or modem. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: dmitri@physics.stanford.edu (Dmitri Linde) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: To Buy or not to Buy... Date: 16 Feb 1993 15:37:47 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9302162129.AA00959@physics> The fire sale price for a good NeXT is $2000, and I just can't decide whether or not to buy one. I need a fast NeXT for the next (no pun) couple of years starting with Aug 92. Now, NeXT says it will release NS486 on May 25 1992. We all know that it is worth believing :-) OK, but they will get it ready at least by Aug 92. The reason I can't decide is that I don't know much about 486 and Pentium. How much are they going to cost? How fast will they run as compared to NeXTstation? I can make a guess that 486 will be much slower, but thay may not be true and I don't know anything about Pentium. Any advices? Thanks a lot, Dmitri Linde dmitri@physics.stanford.edu
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT in Transition Message-ID: <6822@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 16 Feb 93 21:52:22 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM NeXT in Transition NeXT has made the decision to become a software company in order to devote all of its resources to becoming a leader in object-oriented software for client/server computing. CONTENTS I. Overview: From Hardware to Software II. NeXT's Opportunity: To Lead the Object-Oriented Software Market III. Why NeXT Will Lead the Market IV. NeXTSTEP and Corporate Computing in the `90's V. NeXT in Transition I. OVERVIEW: FROM HARDWARE TO SOFTWARE Over the past two years, NeXT has been successful in selling its object-oriented NeXTSTEP systems to major corporations, government institutions and higher education. In 1992, sales increased 10% worldwide to reach $140 million. Commercial acceptance of NeXTSTEP, coupled with the commoditization of the hardware business, has convinced NeXT to choose being a first-tier software company leading the object-oriented computing revolution over being a second-tier supplier of hardware in a market increasingly differentiated merely by hardware price/performance. NeXT'S MISSION -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mission: to lead the object-oriented computing revolution. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXT's mission is to provide state-of-the-art, robust and reliable object-oriented software that allows users to rapidly develop and deploy client/server applications. NeXT's corporate goal is to be an industry leader in object-oriented computing on the broadest array of mainstream hardware platforms. NeXTSTEP is currently shipping in a limited release for Intel platforms and will be available in an unrestricted release in May. NeXT plans on making NeXTSTEP an industry standard available on a number of popular, high-performance architectures. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Product lines: object-oriented system software, development tools, reusable objects and groupware available on mainstream hardware. -------------------------------------------------------------------- As NeXT moves forward, the company will emphasize technologies where NeXT adds unique value. NeXT will invest in four product lines: 1. Object-oriented systems software 2. Software development tools such as programming languages and NeXT's database integration tool, Database Kit 3. ObjectWare Programmer-modifiable object building blocks providing a high level of pre-built functionality 4. Groupware applications such as electronic mail NeXTSTEP ENTERS THE MAINSTREAM For the past year, NeXT has been evolving toward a purely software-driven company, beginning in January, 1992, with the announcement of NeXT's plans to port NeXTSTEP to the Intel architecture. For the past eighteen months, NeXT's customers have advocated that NeXT become a software-only company. This course of action made increasing sense as a new generation of broadly available, inexpensive and appropriate hardware for NeXTSTEP began shipping in 1992. With the arrival of NeXTSTEP on Intel processors, NeXT has made the decision to cease designing and manufacturing its own NeXTstation hardware. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Customers want NeXTSTEP on industry-standard platforms. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This customer-driven decision was made for several reasons. First, NeXT's customers want the benefit of NeXTSTEP on industry-standard, user-customizable platforms available from multiple suppliers. To encourage the broadest possible acceptance of NeXTSTEP on the widest range of hardware, NeXT understood that it needed to level the playing field as a platform-neutral software supplier and give customers maximum choice and flexibility in the selection of hardware to run NeXTSTEP. Second, NeXT's customers want NeXTSTEP to proliferate broadly on corporate desktops and to capture significant market share. For the past year, NeXT has realized that the goal of broad market share for NeXTSTEP was at odds with the goal of winning acceptance for a proprietary hardware platform. In the past, to adopt NeXTSTEP required making a commitment to NeXT's own hardware as well as to NeXTSTEP itself. In the future, because of the widespread availability of Intel hardware, the NeXT-related costs of deploying NeXTSTEP widely will be significantly reduced, resulting in shortened technology adoption and procurement decisions. Third, today, many hardware vendors offer inexpensive and powerful platforms capable of running NeXTSTEP well and freeing NeXT to invest in those software technologies to which NeXT can add unique value. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Focusing on the mainstream expands the market for all NeXTSTEP developers. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally, one of the most compelling reasons for focusing all of NeXT's energies on industry-standard platforms is to expand the size of the NeXTSTEP marketplace. Today, more than three hundred applications ship for NeXTSTEP, including products from WordPerfect, Oracle, Sybase, Adobe, Lotus, Insignia, Altsys, Pages, Lighthouse and Appsoft. NeXT's focus on expanding the market share for NeXTSTEP on standard hardware platforms should greatly increase the number of applications available for NeXTSTEP during the next year. II. NeXT'S OPPORTUNITY: TO LEAD THE OBJECT-ORIENTED SOFTWARE MARKET "Few in the industry dispute that NeXTSTEP accomplishes today what Taligent, Microsoft and others are aiming for by 1995." Open Information Systems, January 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's NeXTSTEP system software is years ahead of its potential rivals, such as Microsoft's Cairo and Apple and IBM's Taligent systems." -Business Week, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- A broad spectrum of industry analysts predicts that object-oriented systems software will be one of the most important enabling technologies of the 1990's. The market for desktop object-oriented systems software, in its infancy today, will be enormous. According to initial estimates from International Data Corporation (IDC), annual revenues from object-oriented system software will surpass $2 billion by 1996, exceeding revenues from traditional desktop operating systems. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Object-oriented desktop operating systems will eclipse traditional OS revenues by the mid-90's, creating a new, multi-billion dollar market. -------------------------------------------------------------------- III. WHY NeXT WILL LEAD THE MARKET With 50,000 users, NeXTSTEP has the largest installed base of object-oriented systems software in the industry. NeXT also enjoys a seven-year lead in developing object-oriented software, a lead that has allowed NeXTSTEP to mature as a complete and integrated architecture. NeXTSTEP will have already shipped its fourth release by the time that NeXT's only foreseeable competitors Microsoft's Cairo and Taligent's OS ship the initial release of their products in two to three years. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP will be in its fourth major release before Cairo or Taligent ship their first release. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP: A SEVEN-YEAR LEAD IN OBJECT-ORIENTED SOFTWARE "NeXTSTEP today delivers the kind of object-oriented environment that potential rivals such as Microsoft Corp.'s Cairo or Apple Computer, Inc. and IBM's Taligent systems cannot guarantee until mid-decade." Computerworld, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- "`NeXTSTEP is the only object-oriented environment out there,' said Nancy Battey, an analyst at IDC in Mountain View. `They have a huge lead.'" -San Jose Mercury News, September 20, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Only one vendor offers a complete object-oriented systems software solution today: NeXTSTEP from NeXT Computer, Inc. As the New York Times reported on January 6, 1993: "NeXTSTEP software is generally acknowledged to be substantially ahead of operating systems still under development by industry leaders like IBM, Apple and Microsoft... The development of NeXTSTEP began in 1986. NeXTSTEP, now in its third generation, is a well-integrated object-oriented solution and includes: * An operating system based on industry-standard UNIX, providing kernel-level system features optimized for object-orientation. * A complete programming environment for rapidly prototyping and developing commercial-grade applications built out of reusable objects, including applications which integrate server, mini- or mainframe-based relational databases. These development tools include programming languages, an applications kit comprising more than one hundred reusable objects, and tools for managing objects and creating user interfaces. * An advanced, easy-to-use graphical user interface common to all applications -- in-house and commercial. None of these features, individually, offers a complete, object-oriented system. Together, they offer a tightly integrated architecture designed at the lowest levels of the system to support object-oriented computing. -------------------------------------------------------------------- VARS gave NeXTSTEP "the highest score among all companies in all categories. In its three years on the market, NeXTSTEP has attracted developers with its labor saving abilities to build applications. By providing an easier way to build applications, the NeXTSTEP operating system has allowed VARs and developers to customize more applications, which has helped NeXT gain entry into commercial markets." -VARBUSINESS, September, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Those who have recognized the superiority of NeXT's object-oriented system software include: * Corporate Computing, which named NeXTSTEP for Intel processors one of the `best buys' for 1993 * The Software Publisher's Association, which gave NeXTSTEP the Fluegelman Award for innovative software * Computer Language magazine, which awarded NeXTSTEP its Productivity Award for interactive application development environments * The Italian computer industry's annual SMAU trade show which gave NeXTSTEP its industrial design award for 1992 * VARBUSINESS magazine which awarded NeXT its first place workstation award for 1992 based on the strengths of NeXTSTEP Given the opportunity that this market will provide over the next several years and NeXTSTEP's significant lead, NeXT has decided to focus all of its energies on developing and delivering the industry's most advanced object-oriented software for corporate desktops. Given the opportunity that this market will provide over the next several years and NeXTSTEP's significant lead, NeXT has decided to focus all of its energies on developing and delivering the industry's most advanced object-oriented software for corporate desktops. IV. NeXTSTEP AND CORPORATE COMPUTING IN THE `90's Desktop corporate computing will be driven by three trends in the 90's: 1. Client/server computing 2. Custom in-house applications 3. The movement to integrate information assets and unify the desktop with a single, consistent user interface -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP...is probably the most respected piece of software on the planet...The underlying reason for NeXT's success is objects...The level of applications you can create in the standard environment is much higher on NeXT than anywhere else." -------------------------------------------------------------------- CLIENT/SERVER COMPUTING The adoption of client/server computing is being fueled in part by downsizing, as organizations move database-intensive applications off of larger systems to corporate desktops and servers. Organizations relying on custom applications bring end users both substantially improved ease of use as well as expanded access to information. And these organizations are viewing this new kind of GUI-based database application as their competitive edge, particularly if custom applications can be developed and deployed more quickly. Like the movement toward object-oriented operating systems, the database-oriented client/server marketplace will expand dramatically over the next several years. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Client/server computing needs an object-oriented foundation. NeXT's distributed object technology provides that foundation. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The promise of database-intensive client/server computing cannot be realized unless that architecture is built on an object-oriented foundation. NeXTSTEP offers a solid foundation for building this new class of corporate custom applications: the easiest to use (and build) graphical user interface in the industry, a thorough object-oriented architecture, and a distributed object framework for client/server computing. NeXTSTEP'S CUSTOM SOFTWARE ADVANTAGE NeXTSTEP has demonstrated the order-of-magnitude advantage of truly object-oriented system software over conventional environments in developing shrinkwrap-quality custom applications quickly and reducing the development, maintenance and related lifecycle costs of those applications. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Developers positively love it... there is simply no better environment for building graphical applications...People who are now using the NeXT are nothing short of gaga over it, and their lust is justified." -Byte Magazine, Outlook `92 -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Users, developers, and integrators all reap the benefits of NeXTSTEP's object-oriented scheme. No one who works with a NeXT machine feels like a second-class citizen. In contrast, the immensely popular Windows environment does not extend its benefits to developers, at least not if those developers use Microsoft's own C/C++ tools (which run under DOS)." Byte, October, 1992 For developers, the benefits of NeXTSTEP's thorough object-orientation are: * Applications are developed five to ten times faster because objects encourage reusability of software components. * Applications built out of separate modules are easier to maintain. * Existing NeXTSTEP objects provide very high levels of functionality such as database access, text editing, printing, spell-checking, and faxing -- raising the quality of every NeXTSTEP application. * Distributed Object technology allows the objects comprising a single applications to reside on different machines over a network. ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Brilliant. The easiest Unix system on the market... almost the perfect interface. Consistent interface style across applications, a common underlying object-oriented OS, an astounding set of capabilities...The smooth feel of the interface is light years ahead of anything else available for a Unix user...a seamless computer experience-that shames other advanced systems." -SunWorld, March 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------ For users, the benefits include: * In highly competitive industries such as financial services and telecommunications where time-to-market is everything, applications are completed far more quickly. * Applications work alike and are easier to learn since they all use the same interface components. * Custom and third-party applications integrate easily, since all applications are composed of communicating objects. * Applications support richer kinds of information since object-oriented computing was designed to integrate multimedia information easily. `Programmers felt NeXTSTEP was the only viable choice,' says Vince Jordan, WilTel's director of software development... `What we're building here is a step above anything I've seen on the market... The benefits of object technology far outweighed procedural programming especially in the amount of time it takes to build and test the application,' Jordan says. `Others who have built similar systems told me I'm doing in two years what would otherwise take four to eight years,' he says. Infoworld, August 24, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP will enable a revolution in the software industry: a market for reusable software components. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Beyond its obvious benefits to corporate developers and users, the object-oriented revolution will also help the software industry by creating a new market for commercially reusable objects. "Nine months ago we predicted that an object marketplace would begin to appear," said Doug McLeod, an analyst at International Data Corporation (IDC). "NeXT's ObjectWare catalog is tangible evidence that this prediction is coming true with NeXTSTEP released in June 1992... Given that NeXTSTEP has been object-oriented from the beginning, it's not surprising that the trend toward component-based software is happening on NeXT first." INTEGRATING THE CORPORATE DESKTOP WITH NeXTSTEP Applications development is not the entire story behind the success of NeXTSTEP. Today's corporate customers not only need to develop custom software, they also need to integrate all of their information resources, custom and shrinkwrap alike, in a consistent user interface. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP: equally good for developing in-house custom applications and deploying shrinkwrap applications. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The most advanced corporations today are engaged in organization-wide integration, replacing the myriad of PCs, terminals and workstations serving different purposes with one desktop computer environment capable of integrating a wide range of information resources from back-end databases through custom applications and commercial `off the shelf' software. In so doing, they are unifying the desktop around one graphical user interface. NeXTSTEP provides an excellent, no-compromise foundation for desktop integration. Thanks to its object-oriented architecture all applications custom and shrinkwrap can be seamlessly and tightly integrated into one consistent, easy to use end-user environment. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "The combination of NeXTSTEP's interface features makes it, by far, the easiest Unix system to use. It reigns as the best example of Unix done right: It's aimed at ordinary users rather than traditional Unix users." -Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXT's customers want the best of both the old and new worlds: advanced NeXTSTEP applications development and functionality together with compatibility with the older world of DOS and Windows. Beyond DOS file system compatibility, NeXTSTEP will offer significant interoperability with Microsoft Windows applications. All NeXTSTEP applications can work side by side with DOS, Windows, 3270 and X/Motif applications running in NeXTSTEP windows. No other vendor - including Microsoft - offers a software platform that is as good for developing and deploying custom software and for integrating these with commercially available productivity tools. Of critical importance, enterprise-wide client/server computing requires a client that can be an outstanding platform for both shrinkwrap productivity applications and custom applications supporting the enterprise's unique business processes. This is why organizations as different as Chrysler Financial, Preferred Health Care, DARPA, Bozell Jacobs, UBS Securities, the Alberta Motor Vehicles Department and McCaw Cellular have all chosen NeXTSTEP as a cornerstone of their desktop integration strategy. NeXT believes that these trends the growth of the market for object-oriented systems software, the spread of custom applications for corporate client/server architectures, a growing corporate interest in desktop integration, and the availability of inexpensive workstation-class personal computers -- all support NeXT's decision to focus the company on the development of leading-edge and robust software for object-oriented computing. V. NeXT IN TRANSITION MANAGING THE TRANSITION TO A SOFTWARE-ONLY COMPANY In its transition to a purely software company, NeXT emerges as a significantly more focused company, having a clear mission: to be one of the dominant suppliers of object-oriented software for client/server computing in the industry. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXT is restructuring its operations to devote more resources to all aspects of its software business. Because NeXT is no longer a hardware supplier, NeXT is eliminating its hardware-related operations. NeXT emerges from this transition a stronger company in every respect. -------------------------------------------------------------------- In order to apply 100% of its energies to this software mission, NeXT has significantly restructured its organization and operations. The primary goal has been to sharply focus the company on object-oriented systems software. For this reason, NeXT has expanded its software team while, at the same time, eliminating those functions such as hardware engineering and manufacturing not in keeping with its fundamental mission as a supplier of object-oriented systems software. The decision to eliminate hardware operations was a difficult one for NeXT to make, particularly in view of NeXT's history of award-winning hardware innovation. But however difficult, it was a necessary outcome of NeXT's fundamental decision to focus on software that will run on the most widely accepted mainstream hardware platforms in the industry. NeXT emerges from this transition not only a more focused company, but also a stronger business. NeXT as a software company has a leaner 200-person operation, a healthy cash balance, and a strong capital base. NeXT also has a pipeline of orders for NeXTSTEP and emerging alliances with hardware manufacturers which would have been difficult or impossible to develop if NeXT had remained a manufacturer of proprietary hardware. NeXTSTEP ON INTEL PROCESSORS NeXTSTEP for Intel processors will be delivered to customers beginning on May 25, 1993. This version of NeXTSTEP includes the same operating system, the same user interface and the same development tools as NeXTSTEP for the Motorola 68040 product family. Applications written for the Motorola architecture require little more than a simple recompilation. Most applications have been ported from Motorola to Intel architectures in less than one day. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP on Intel processors will be delivered to customers on May 25, 1993. -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP-READY INTEL HARDWARE By focusing on the Intel architecture, NeXT is turning the commoditization of the PC industry to its own advantage. NeXTSTEP runs on a broad range of Intel 486 and Pentium hardware. IDC estimates that 26 million 486 computers will be sold in 1993. Many of these will be capable of running NeXTSTEP requiring little or no upgrade to do so. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Many suppliers are shipping Intel-based computers capable of running NeXTSTEP today. And key hardware suppliers will provide complete solutions, including factory-loaded NeXTSTEP. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Popular computer brands with configurations ready to run NeXTSTEP include: Compaq, Dell, Epson, Gateway, Lucky Goldstar and NEC. NeXTSTEP will also run on transportable and battery powered portables from such popular manufacturers as Altima, Compaq, NEC and Toshiba. (Please consult the NeXTSTEP Hardware Compatibility Guide for additional information on suppliers and configurations of NeXTSTEP-ready computers.) -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's NeXTSTEP system software is years ahead of its potential rivals, such as Microsoft's Cairo and Apple and IBM's Taligent systems." Business Week, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Product lines: object-oriented system software, development tools, reusable objects and groupware available on mainstream hardware. "NeXTSTEP...is probably the most respected piece of software on the planet...The underlying reason for NeXT's success is objects...The level of applications you can create in the standard environment is much higher on NeXT than anywhere else." Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Many view the NeXTSTEP operating system as the most advanced on the market today. Embodying a hot technology called object-oriented programming, it lets customers quickly write new programs and mold existing ones to new uses." Business Week, January 25, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP has long been the most approachable of the Unix operating systems available... Corporations looking for an extraordinarily powerful development system with an elegant interface, built-in multimedia and strong PostScript-based output control should give NeXTSTEP a serious look." PC Week, September 14, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "...NeXT offers what maybe the best development and operating environment, NeXTstep, in the desktop- computer business." PC Magazine, May 12, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "The combination of NeXTSTEP's interface features makes it, by far, the easiest Unix system to use. It reigns as the best example of Unix done right" It's aimed at ordinary users rather than traditional Unix users." Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXT offers what maybe the best development and operating environment, NeXTstep, in the desktop- computer business." PC Magazine, May 12, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP is the only object-oriented environment out there,' said Nancy Battey, an analyst at IDC in Mountain View. `They have a huge lead.'" San Jose Mercury News, September 20, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "We found the [NeXTSTEP] object-oriented development environment very easy to work with," explains Mike Adelson of Chrysler Financial. "We believe it will enable us to develop business applications faster." Information Week, October 5, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP made it much easier and faster for companies' in-house programmers to customize software to handle important parts of their businesses... O'Connor & Associates, a Chicago options and futures firm, claims its engineers can write a complex trading program in three months with NeXTSTEP vs. over two years on a Sun workstation." Fortune, January 20, 1993 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP's Interface Builder and its supporting utilities and Objective C compiler provide the easiest-to-use, most powerful programming environment we have seen to date< NeXTSTEP has always been a programmer's playground. Now it's even better." Infoworld, December 7, 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "NeXTSTEP makes customizing a system easier than anything else I've seen... What might take days of procedural programming to accomplish elsewhere can be reduced to a few hours of tying existing objects together under NeXTSTEP." Byte Magazine, October 1992 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- NeXTSTEP on Intel processors will be delivered to customers on May 25, 1993. (C)1993 NeXT Computer, Inc. All rights reserved. NeXT, the NeXT logo, NeXTSTEP, and NeXTstation are registered trademarks of NeXT Computer, Inc. Intel is a registered trademark and Pentium is a trademark of Intel Corp. UNIX is a registered trademark of UNIX Systems Labs.
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Mono upgrade to turbo? Date: 16 Feb 1993 22:47:18 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1lrqtmINNrog@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Anybody know how much these things cost? CW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: WHERE IN SAM HILL is a STATEMENT? Message-ID: <1993Feb16.232227.29085@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1993 23:22:27 GMT Come on, NeXT! Where's a statement telling us hardware owners (the ones who kept you alive up to now, aside from investors, who wouldn't have invested if we hadn't bought) what you're going to DO with us?? NeXTSTEP 4.0?? Anything?? Hello? Anyone home? LAB Univ. of Maryland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mlescoez@.trirex.com (Mark LeScoezec) Subject: Re: Looking for a tape backup unit. Message-ID: <1993Feb17.005500.13018@Trirex.COM> Sender: root@Trirex.COM (Operator) Organization: Trirex Systems Inc. References: <1kp4f3INN7nd@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 00:55:00 GMT In article <1kp4f3INN7nd@tamsun.tamu.edu> sbart@atlantis.tamu.edu (Stephen Bartholomew) writes: > I am looking for a tape backup unit prefferably 4mm DAT but there has got > to be a place that has better prices than NeXTconnection. I would > appreciate any information on recommended tape drives and where I can > purchase one at a reasonable price. > > Thank you, > > Stephen Bartholomew > Texas A&M University Aerospace Department > sbart@atlantis.tamu.edu Tecor (408)458-3197 Last time I spoke with Steve at Tecor they were really freaking out about NeXT dropping hardware. I could not order the 1.2 Gbyte drive that I wanted because they were trying to reduce their stock. Cranel (800)288-3475 I ended up ordering our hardware from these people. I have dealt with them in the past and they are very reputable. I also saved a few hundred from the Tecor quote I was sent. I would recommend the new HP35480 DAT drive. It does 1 Gbyte(that's jigabyte to you and me Marty) in 45 min and can fit up to 8 Gbyte on one tape with hardware compression. It still reads the DDS standard tapes. The more you shop around, the better the price gets. mark -- Mark LeScoezec System Administrator Trirex Systems, Inc. 315 Post Road West Westport, CT 06880 ml@trirex.com
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HELP: dialing in Date: 17 Feb 1993 02:23:53 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1lssmpINNb4j@tamsun.tamu.edu> I've been using the DoveFax for a couple of years now without problems for dialing out and faxing. I just recently felt like trying to set up my cube for dialing in and ran into problems. I'm running NS3.0 on a '040 cube: When I set in /etc/ttys the line with ttyda (and ttydfa) to 'on' and then use kill -HUP 1, I get /dev/cua locked out, so that I can no longer get to the modem via kermit. It looks like the cube's set up for dialing-in, but now I can't 'share' dialing out, unless I edit /etc/ttys and reboot. I tried using the script below to correct the problem, but I can't seem to ever kill the getty processes. Is this some kind of re-emergant bug that shows up in 3.0? ------------------------------cut here------------------------ #! /bin/sh -u PIDS=`ps -ax | bm getty | grep -v bm | awk '{print $1}'` kill -TERM $PIDS kill -HUP 1 ------------------------------cut here------------------------ Thanks in advance. Please email any ideas to andrewd@cs.tamu.edu -- -- Andrew Duchowski | -- -- Texas A&M University | This page intentionally blank -- -- andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail) | -- -- andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail) | --
From: albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Problems with Insite's floptical Date: 17 Feb 1993 10:58:45 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: world Message-ID: <1lsuo5INN5gq@cc.tut.fi> I installed brand new Insite's floptical to my 030 cube last night but for some reeason it just keeps activity led on and doesn't regoccognize disks and NeXT doesn't recognize the drive. DThe drive is OK, I tested on an Amiga and it worked OK. What might be wrong? I've also got a 400 meg Quantum and it works OK. SCSI ID for the Quantum is 1 and for the floptical 4. Floptical is the last drive on the scsi cable and the termination should be OK. All help appreciated.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: antoine@arrakis.osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Subject: Re: Mono upgrade to turbo? Message-ID: <1993Feb17.140058.21461@cerberus.ulaval.ca> Sender: news@cerberus.ulaval.ca Organization: Universite Laval References: <1lrqtmINNrog@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 14:00:58 GMT In article <1lrqtmINNrog@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes: > > Anybody know how much these things cost? > CW Yes, they do not exist, contrary to some info in NeXTWorld. I called NeXT and they told me i would have to change just about everything but the box and the drives, costs around $3000.... sob! -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Antoine Gautier | | Departement OSD, FSA | | Universite Laval, Quebec, PQ | +-------------------------------------------------------+
From: nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Tecor ???? (a hard disk company) Date: 17 Feb 1993 19:55:16 GMT Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University Sender: Paul Nevai Distribution: world Message-ID: <1lu574$nv@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> Originator: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu I called Tecor today with a question and I was told "call back next week because we are going through a reorganization". What the heck is this? Is it what I think it is? I hope not because I bought a hard disk from them a few months ago and it's warranted (by HP too, I guess) for 5 yrs. Any ideas? Take care...Paul Paul Nevai nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu Dept Math - Ohio State University 1-614-292-3317 (Office) Columbus, Ohio 43210-1174, U.S.A. 1-614-292-1479 (Math Dept Fax)
From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Wanted: Black hard disk case Date: 17 Feb 1993 20:04:24 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1lu5o9INNomb@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Hi: I'm looking for a NeXTBlack case for my 3.5" Fujitsu Hard disk (520MB M-2624F) It has to have a power supply, fan, SCSI id selector and led lights. If you know of any source for new or used cases please send me e-mail. Thank you. P.S. I already tried (with no satisfactory result): 1. PLI <-- don't sell them 2. Liberty Systems <-- don't sell them 3. The Cube Route <--- don't sell them 4. Park systems technology <-- out of stock waited 3 weeks for nothing. 5. NextConnection <--- Very expensive ($395) -- Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2313 wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly
From: jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu (Jeff Hite ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: They say 5 years... Date: 17 Feb 1993 20:20:35 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Message-ID: <1lu6mj$a6b@pith.uoregon.edu> I just talked with a support person at NeXT concerning what is going to happen with our support contract. Lisa informed me that they will be supporting the hardware for 5 years. I was told that it will be business as usual as far as part returns. We have gotten great service from them in the past, I just hope it continues. Jeff Hite Service Manager Computing Center U of Oregon jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu (NeXT mail OK)
From: smytonj@murr11.alleg.edu (Jim Smyton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS 486 might very well fail Message-ID: <1993Feb17.181803.3053@pellns.alleg.edu> Date: 17 Feb 93 18:18:03 GMT References: <C2Ioq3.D1n@unix.portal.com> Sender: news@pellns.alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College In article <C2Ioq3.D1n@unix.portal.com> raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) writes: >Stuff Deleted.....it'll be a classic', I smiled, little > did he know that NeXTSTEP486 is waiting in the wings! Good luck to 'em! > > Brian Leake, > Fox River Financial Resources, Inc. > Research and Development. > p This is not a flame. What makes anyone think NS 486 will ever get any bigger than OS2 did? If you are going to say, "The developing environment," think again. No doubt that Interface/Project Builder is the most advanced product presently on the market, but most businesses and people have no knowledge of C, Mach/Unix, and are not looking for an OS which they can develop software in. I would guess that that is one of the reasons that very few people (proportionally) bought NeXT hardware. Just my $0.02 -- Jim Smyton (smytonj@alleg.edu) ------------------------ Sometimes ya just gotta grab ** We're not hitchhiking life by the teeth and yank ** anymore, we're riding! as hard as you can. ** -Ren -Weird Al **
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Date: 17 Feb 1993 23:00:54 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1lug36INN3eb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> If a 600 dpi printer from HP with a nice processor is not much more why would anyone buy the NeXT printer (it is nice it has its own port and is black but other than it).... CW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) Subject: Flame: NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE Message-ID: <1993Feb17.200203.7458@boba.rhein-main.de> Sender: borris@boba.rhein-main.de Organization: Borris Balzer - DeskTopPublishing Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 20:02:03 GMT Now it's official: NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE! They will port their famous stuff to 486 PC's. There's one question left: WHEN THE FUCK WILL NEXTSTEP BE PORTED TO THE FAMOUS C 64 TOYS ???? -Borris- (who's very happy with NeXT's hardware!) -- --- Borris Balzer - Kennedyallee 34 - D-6000 Frankfurt am Main - Germany Tel +49-69-639266 - Fax +49-69-6312324
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 03:43:20 GMT Message-ID: <C2ML08.L0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1lug36INN3eb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Carlin E. Wiegner writes > If a 600 dpi printer from HP with a nice processor is not much > more why would anyone buy the NeXT printer (it is nice it has > its own port and is black but other than it).... I think this is a really good point. For me, downloading and imaging speed matters because when I print Postscript output, the graphics I print are pretty complicated and take quite a while for the average printer to image. To me, this is where the speed of the NeXT printer port and imaging come into play. From what I've seen, the NeXT printer prints pages at a rate that is fine by me (I don't know how long this particular HP takes to print graphics, but I would guess that downloading large Postscript files over a slow serial port and then waiting for the printer to image them could be quite some time). I also like not having to use a serial port for the printer since I have other plans for both of them. I could easily see how that HP printer would be a better deal now. Also, if you like support for your hardware, the NeXT laser printer is not the one to buy. -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
From: gobbi@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Michael Gobbi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Sounds &c. Date: 18 Feb 1993 03:42:46 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Message-ID: <1lv0jmINNi7q@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Keywords: sound, DSP, 486 Does anybody know what will happen to the objects in NeXTStep that rely on the Digital Signal Processor in NeXTStep.486? Will they be gone, or will you be able to buy cards for the intel? (or is this one of the things that has not been announced yet?) -- __ In quest of knowledge... /..\ <gobbi@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca> ---mm--mm---------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Message-ID: <tlm.730015841@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1lug36INN3eb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <C2ML08.L0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 06:10:41 GMT In <C2ML08.L0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: >Carlin E. Wiegner writes >> If a 600 dpi printer from HP with a nice processor is not much >> more why would anyone buy the NeXT printer (it is nice it has >> its own port and is black but other than it).... <<some good points trimmed>> >I could easily see how that HP printer would be a better deal now. Also, if >you like support for your hardware, the NeXT laser printer is not the one to >buy. I think this is perhaps the most important issue. The movement of NeXT out of hardware is worrisome to be sure, but my computer runs (beautifully!!) and with any luck in a few years I can replace it with 10X the power for half (or less) the price. But the printer was a long term investment and I have to wonder if it will be useless once the station goes the way of the dodo. What are the impediments to running the NeXTwriter on another machine? It's powered through the NeXT, the PS is imaged on the NeXT, the port is different, etc. etc. Perhaps as part of Canon's "hardware support" they'll continue to make machine which can interact easily with the printer? (seems unlikely) Anyone know anything about this? Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mis@sug.org (Mark Seiden) Subject: formatting a quantum ELS170S for 1024? Message-ID: <mis.730018780@sug.org> Summary: builddisk and /usr/etc/disk fail. Sender: news@world.std.com (Mr USENET himself) Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 06:59:40 GMT well, i'm stuck. i'm trying to build a next partition on a Quantum ELS170S-512 (mac disk bought from APS). BuildDisk fails rather early in the game. going back to first principles: /usr/etc/disk -F formats successfully, but with 512 byte sectors, no matter what i do. even if i supply an /etc/disktab entry. of course, this would not be problem except any attempt at /usr/etc/disk -i fails instantly in the mkfs: /usr/etc/disk -i /dev/rsd2h disk name: QUANTUM ELS170S disk type: fixed_rw_scsi writing disk label creating new filesystem on /dev/rsd2a /usr/etc/newfs -n -v /dev/rsd2a /etc/mkfs /dev/rsd2a 166808 32 4 8192 1024 16 10 60 4096 t write error: 166807 wtfs: I/O error /usr/etc/newfs /dev/rsd2a failed (status 1) suspicious place for a write error. doesn't seem to matter what size i say the partition should be, either. /usr/adm/messages says: mach: sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x400, resid = 0x400, retry 9 which i gather means none of the bytes got moved... anybody know what's going on? i suppose i have to do something tricky to the NVRAM in the disk to really alter the sector size? is there an easy way to do this on the next? thanks for any help, preferably by email rather than posting... -- mark seiden, mis@seiden.com, 1-(415) 665 8117 (voice)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: hogan@boetius (Kharim Hogan) Subject: Re: Wanted: Black hard disk case Message-ID: <1993Feb17.212546.29544@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> Sender: news@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM References: <1lu5o9INNomb@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 17 Feb 93 21:25:46 GMT In article <1lu5o9INNomb@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu writes: >Hi: > >I'm looking for a NeXTBlack case for my 3.5" Fujitsu Hard disk (520MB >M-2624F) It has to have a power supply, fan, SCSI id selector and led >lights. If you know of any source for new or used cases please send me >e-mail. Thank you. >P.S. >I already tried (with no satisfactory result): >1. PLI <-- don't sell them >2. Liberty Systems <-- don't sell them >3. The Cube Route <--- don't sell them >4. Park systems technology <-- out of stock waited 3 weeks for nothing. >5. NextConnection <--- Very expensive ($395) > >-- In December Tecor was selling them for $195. You might give them a call or send email to info@tecor.com Here's the rest of their coordinates... Tecor Inc. 237 Miramar Dr. Santa Cruz, CA 95060 tel- (408) 458-3197 fax- (408) 425-1804 Last I heard anyway! -- ************************************************************************* Kharim M. Hogan Systems Administrator hogan@music.mcgill.ca Faculty of Music, McGill University *************************************************************************
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Date: 18 Feb 1993 08:00:19 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1lvfmj$b1a@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1lv0jmINNi7q@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> In article <1lv0jmINNi7q@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> gobbi@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Michael Gobbi) writes: >Does anybody know what will happen to the objects in NeXTStep that rely on >the Digital Signal Processor in NeXTStep.486? Will they be gone, or will >you be able to buy cards for the intel? (or is this one of the things >that has not been announced yet?) I asked about the future of the DSP at the BaNG meeting at Stanford just a few hours ago. His answer was, from my memory, something like this: "The DSP is total history. The DSP was a mistake. Although I hadn't publicly said that in the past, we moved away from it about 2 years ago. However, we left it in the system because some people were using it and we did not want to disturb their applications." Then he explained that shipping the data into DSP and back out turned out to be a slow process as a whole, no matter how fast the DSP processor is for computation, and that the main CPU is much faster for these tasks. Of course that is true and I have no argument if one is considering applications of the DSP for array processing. I do not entirely agree with his reasoning because, when used as an I/O peripheral to take in the data from outside world and to do pre-processing, the DSP is fast and useful. It is only slow if you want to use it as a co-processor for computation from the main CPU side (which was what Steve was talking about). This is, however, a moot point. Not many people know or care to know what to do with the DSP in most parts of the NeXTSTEP world. The DSP failed to get sufficient applications that used it, and the decision to drop it had been made a long time ago. Anybody who wants to use the DSP is on his/her own. NeXT will not have any particular support for DSP except as just one of many thousands of plug-in boards available for the PC. You can buy a DSP56001 board with the NeXT DSP port from Ariel and write a driver for it. Or call up Ariel and tell them that you want to use their DSP board with NeXTSTEP/Intel and if they will write a NeXTSTEP driver for it. There are other DSP boards for the PC, and it's up to each user, the developer of DSP boards, or developer of apps that use the DSP to support it. It's anarchy, but that what the PC world is all about -- we all mix and match whatever we want. I wasn't surprised, but he should have said so 2 years ago. In any case, he now spoke, and we know what to do next. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Sean_Church@pages.com(Sean Church) Subject: Re: Disconnecting the Internal Hard Drive Message-ID: <1993Feb18.060548.2616@pages.com> Sender: sean@pages.com Organization: Pages Software Inc. References: <1993Feb15.173137.15160@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 06:05:48 GMT In article <1993Feb15.173137.15160@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown) writes: > Hinrich Eilts writes > > avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) writes: > > >I want to disconnect my internal hard drive because it is too noisy > (it's a > > >Seagate 400 MB). Do I need to worry about terminating the internal > SCSI > > >connector? > > I removed my harddisk without any further internal termination and > > plugged a terminated external harddisk. No problems since month. > > Both ends of the SCSI chain should be terminated unless it is _really_ > short (so short that it doesn't act like a transmission line.). If you > have an external drive, both ends of the connnection should be terminated. > You're prob. getting away with not doing this because the bus is so short. > If you use a longer cable or add another SCSI device to the bus, you > _will_ have probs unless you terminate the CPU end. > > > >If I leave the drive in but disconnect the power cable, does the > > >presence of the inactive (powered-down) drive provide the proper > termination? > > Yes, it have to if terminators are on the drive. > > Not necessarily. It depends on the type of termination in the drive. > > --Glenn What a nightmare.... "it worked until I added my third external device..." Terminate both ends. I have no clue as who makes a little plug for the internal SCSI board connection. It would be neat thing to do... but neat things are probably not in the works for the NeXT HW market anymore.... ;-( Ahh well, on to the joys of Intel, I guess.... Sean
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Sean_Church@pages.com(Sean Church) Subject: Re: 040 -> 486/pentium upgrade Message-ID: <1993Feb18.062038.2693@pages.com> Sender: sean@pages.com Organization: Pages Software Inc. References: <1993Feb15.220714.7431@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 06:20:38 GMT In article <1993Feb15.220714.7431@leland.Stanford.EDU> ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards) writes: > In article <1993Feb15.091326.21123@leland.Stanford.EDU>, rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) writes: > |> In article <C2F84H.AHE@ms.uky.edu> soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John > |> Soward) writes: > |> Unfortunately Cannon will probably just buy someone else's motherboards > |> and retool for a different case/ power supply. > |> [...] > > Actually, I took a tour of the NeXT plant recently, and from what I saw, the > only thing that was done there was assembly. That is, all they did there was > stuff PC boards, wave solder em, and stick em in cases. I never saw any > equipment to injection mold cases or make the pc boards themselves. You probably do not want to just walk around in a plant that does plastic injection molding stuff. And the same goes for PC board manufacturing. Dismall places of acid bathes... not hi-tech like you want to see it... and it smells.... Sean
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 10:02:06 GMT Message-ID: <C2n2JI.6B8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <tlm.730015841@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Tom Marchioro writes > But the printer was a long term investment and I have to wonder if it will > be useless once the station goes the way of the dodo. I think this is a good point, one worth considering should the upcoming Intel machine (or any other machine to which NeXTSTEP is ported) not have the NeXT printer port. I don't have any inside scoop on what will happen to the NLP or the printer port in upcoming hardware, but I can offer an idea I had about this issue. I put this idea out before, but perhaps it would be a good time to post it again--A nifty couple of attachments someone more hardware inclined than I could build could be: (1) A NeXT printer port <--> thin/thick Ethernet port This could be used to hook up a NeXT laser printer to a wide variety of places where the printer could be given an ethernet address via some router box or somesuch and *poof* the NeXT laser printer is much more versatile. The only impediment to this is that everyone on the network would need a driver (probably a rather extensive one) to communicate with this (essentially) quick-but-dumb printer. Perhaps this idea is best left for NeXTSTEP networks only that can't afford to sell their NLP and get a stand-alone laser printer. (2) A NeXT printer port <--> serial port/centronics parallel port This could be used in places that don't have ethernet networking handy, such as some Intel NeXTSTEP user's desktop (assuming that this Intel box has a common serial port or centronics parallel port [those wide ports that look like SCSI ports, found on quite a lot of dot matrix printers I've come across such as the Toshiba 3-in-1 series, Gemini 10X and others]). Unfortunately the software driver problem comes into play here too. * Both of these would come with a lengthy power cord (detachable from the converter unit) to power the printer. I figure that either of these doohickeys shouldn't cost too much, maybe $50 per (including perhaps a MS-DOS driver, if the driver wasn't too much work, perhaps not any software at all), maybe less. To me, this sounds like a good, reasonably priced way to ensure that one's NLP will be a "[...] long[er] term investment [...]" as Tom Marchioro said. I agree that one generally doesn't get rid of one's printer when moving to another computer, perhaps one of these items could help make the transition a little easier. -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486 might very well fail Message-ID: <1993Feb18.064019.3927@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 06:40:19 GMT References: <1993Feb17.181803.3053@pellns.alleg.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. smytonj@murr11.alleg.edu (Jim Smyton) writes: : In article <C2Ioq3.D1n@unix.portal.com> raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) : writes: : >Stuff Deleted.....it'll be a classic', I smiled, little : > did he know that NeXTSTEP486 is waiting in the wings! Good luck to 'em! : > : > Brian Leake, : > Fox River Financial Resources, Inc. : > Research and Development. : > p : : This is not a flame. : : What makes anyone think NS 486 will ever get any bigger than OS2 did? : If you are going to say, "The developing environment," think again. No : doubt that Interface/Project Builder is the most advanced product : presently on the market, but most businesses and people have no knowledge : of C, Mach/Unix, and are not looking for an OS which they can develop : software in. I would guess that that is one of the reasons that very few : people (proportionally) bought NeXT hardware. : : Just my $0.02 : -- : Jim Smyton (smytonj@alleg.edu) If NeXTSTEP sells as many as OS/2, that'll be one hell of an accomplishment. Little, "non-standard" NeXT selling as much PC OS's as Big Blue. I don't think many NeXT developers would be disappointed if NeXTSTEP was as big as OS/2. There's only about 10-20 times as many desks running OS/2 as there are NeXTSTEP. Plus, NeXTSTEP will sell for (unfortunately) quite a bit more than OS/2. Success is a relative thing. NeXT sold more machines than SGI in recent years, but no one says SGI is on the brink of going under... -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Message-ID: <1993Feb18.064330.3987@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 06:43:30 GMT References: <1lug36INN3eb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes: : : If a 600 dpi printer from HP with a nice processor is not much : more why would anyone buy the NeXT printer (it is nice it has : its own port and is black but other than it).... : CW Nobody's going to be buying the NeXT printer anymore. They aren't being made, I assume. Also, remember that that 400 dpi printer has been around since NeXT's came out. It's gotten a little long in the tooth, but it has been very cost effective for most of its lifetime. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: outland!jmast@ms.uky.edu (John A. Mastrolia) Subject: Re: Toshiba, APS, and SPIN (author's reply) Message-ID: <C2MBp7.1Fp@outland.uucp> Sender: jmast@outland.uucp (John A. Mastrolia) Organization: Kentucky NeXT Users Group (KYNUG) References: <1993Feb15.090153.26802@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 00:22:19 GMT In article <1993Feb15.090153.26802@news.uiowa.edu> ric-mommer@uiowa.edu writes: -> Dear Arturo Pinzon (and others who responded to my post): -> [Stuff Deleted] -> > But those hundreds of good mail-order companies do not -> > provide as good HD's as APS does.. -> -> On the contrary, many of these mail-order companies provide -> the _same_exact_ mechanisms. All I bought was an internal -> hard drive - for the same price as three other companies -> were advertising for that mechanism at the time. Obviously -> I made the wrong choice. 8^) -> -> - Tim -> -> /-----------------------------------------------------\ -> | Timothy A. Dawson | | -> | Software Engineer | This space for rent. | -> | Integrity Solutions, Inc.| but NOT to APS 8^) | -> | St. Paul, MN | | -> \-----------------------------------------------------/ Thanks for posting about your difficulties with APS. I have had good and bad relationships with Mail Order companies and generally find that the recommendations of others are the best measure of a companies ability to take care of its customers. I had a similar problem with Hard Drives International after doing business with them for over 2 years. Without going into ugly details, their poorly training customer service personnel, unhelpful representatives, and lack of organization lost them a regular customer and advocate. Word of mouth is usually the best way to determine who to do business with. A company that goes out of its way, is courteous, and ensures customer satisfaction *all* the time is the one who will get my business. Again thanks for the warning Tim. I don't plan on doing business with APS, and I hope you don't plan on doing business with Hard Drives International unless you want on another round in the "ring." -- John A. Mastrolia (Politically, Fashionably, and Aerodynamically Incorrect) outland!jmast@ms.uky.edu
From: carsten@pizza.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Carsten Schultz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Date: 18 Feb 1993 11:36:38 GMT Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Distribution: world Message-ID: <1lvsc6INNgth@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <C2ML08.L0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> In article <C2ML08.L0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: > ... (I don't know how long this particular HP takes to print > graphics, but I would guess that downloading large Postscript files over a > slow serial port and then waiting for the printer to image them could be > quite some time). I also like not having to use a serial port for the > printer since I have other plans for both of them. That's what I always say, 1. Fast printers should be attached to SCSI. 2. NeXTstations should have had more serial interfaces. Carsten
From: mek@guinan.psu.edu (Mark E. Kotanchek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Message-ID: <yvd1Hbxopc@atlantis.psu.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 15:37:26 GMT References: <1lvfmj$b1a@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: news@atlantis.psu.edu (Usenet) Organization: Penn State Center for Academic Computing In article <1lvfmj$b1a@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > In article <1lv0jmINNi7q@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> gobbi@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Michael Gobbi) writes: > >Does anybody know what will happen to the objects in NeXTStep that rely on > >the Digital Signal Processor in NeXTStep.486? Will they be gone, or will > >you be able to buy cards for the intel? (or is this one of the things > >that has not been announced yet?) > > I asked about the future of the DSP at the BaNG meeting at Stanford > just a few hours ago. His answer was, from my memory, something like > this: > > "The DSP is total history. The DSP was a mistake. Although > I hadn't publicly said that in the past, we moved away > from it about 2 years ago. However, we left it in the system because > some people were using it and we did not want to disturb their > applications." > > Then he explained that shipping the data into DSP and back out > turned out to be a slow process as a whole, no matter how fast the > DSP processor is for computation, and that the main CPU is much faster > for these tasks. > > Of course that is true and I have no argument if one is considering > applications of the DSP for array processing. I do not entirely > agree with his reasoning because, when used as an I/O peripheral to > take in the data from outside world and to do pre-processing, the > DSP is fast and useful. It is only slow if you want to use it > as a co-processor for computation from the main CPU side (which > was what Steve was talking about). > > [munch] Just to muddle the scenario, it appears (from reading MacWeek) that Apple's next generation of machines will feature DSP chips! I was really disappointed when the slabs came out that they didn't move to a 32-bit floating-point chip vice the 56001. It is true that the 56001 lost a good deal of its functionality because of being a 24-bit integer processor and requiring appropriate scaling prior to using the chip for array processing. However, with a 32-bit floating-point processor, the DSP would have been great for heavy-duty number crunching and moved the NeXTstation from the 4-5 MFLOP capacity of the 68040 into the 30-40 MFLOP range. In sum, the 56001 was dumb for engineering (crunching) applications. Of course, when I bitched about it to the NeXTrep, he tried to get me to envision a dual 88110 machine with oodles of crunchin-power. A nice vision; however, it hasn't appeared in the subsequent 2.5 years. Now, when will the HP-NeXT option be available? Mark. -- Mark Kotanchek Guidance & Control Dept - 363 ASB Applied Research Lab/Penn State P.O. Box 30 State College, PA 16804
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: disabling power off Message-ID: <1993Feb17.214009.17335@pencom.com> Date: 17 Feb 93 21:40:09 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software Hello there: I seem to recall that there was a default which prevents non-root users from turning off the computer. Does anybody know what this dwrite value is? Please e-mail me directly and thanks in advance. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 795-2000 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * ****************************
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cancel <SOWA.93Feb18120247@amdew.llnl.gov> Message-ID: <SOWA.93Feb18120414@amdew.llnl.gov> Date: 18 Feb 93 19:04:14 GMT Control: cancel <SOWA.93Feb18120247@amdew.llnl.gov> Sender: usenet@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Are DSP sounddriver functions dropped from NS/Intel? Message-ID: <SOWA.93Feb18120516@amdew.llnl.gov> Date: 18 Feb 93 19:05:16 GMT References: <1lt1fg$m24@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: usenet@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV Followup-To: comp.sys.next.programmer Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science In-reply-to: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu's message of 17 Feb 93 09:45:20 GMT Folluwup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy >>>>> "Izumi" == Izumi Ohzawa <izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu> writes: Izumi> Are sounddriver functions related to DSP used to receive Izumi> sound data from peripherals such as Digital Ears dropped Izumi> from NS/Intel (or its beta)? Izumi> I just have to prepare myself to do a little more Izumi> rewrites of the section of code that communicates with the DSP Izumi> if I am on my own entirely. This does not answer your question directly, but you may find it interesting. At last night's bang meeting, Steve himself commented on the DSP: "The DSP is history. It was a mistake." He suggested that once you get your data in and out of the DSP, any speed advantage of using the DSP is lost. Building a higher-speed path to the DSP loses in comparison with simply using a faster CPU. I believe Jobs' comments are true if you are using the DSP to invert matrices, etc., but music developers/users must be rather unhappy. -- erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486 might very well fail Message-ID: <1993Feb18.230236.185405@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 18 Feb 93 23:02:36 GMT References: <1993Feb17.181803.3053@pellns.alleg.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <1993Feb17.181803.3053@pellns.alleg.edu> smytonj@murr11.alleg.edu (Jim Smyton) writes: > In article <C2Ioq3.D1n@unix.portal.com> raf@shell.portal.com (Man Wei Tam) > writes: > >Stuff Deleted.....it'll be a classic', I smiled, little > > did he know that NeXTSTEP486 is waiting in the wings! Good luck to 'em! > > > > Brian Leake, > > Fox River Financial Resources, Inc. > > Research and Development. > > p > > This is not a flame. > > What makes anyone think NS 486 will ever get any bigger than OS2 did? > If you are going to say, "The developing environment," think again. No > doubt that Interface/Project Builder is the most advanced product > presently on the market, but most businesses and people have no knowledge > of C, Mach/Unix, and are not looking for an OS which they can develop > software in. I would guess that that is one of the reasons that very few > people (proportionally) bought NeXT hardware. > > Just my $0.02 > -- > Jim Smyton (smytonj@alleg.edu) > ------------------------ > Sometimes ya just gotta grab ** We're not hitchhiking > life by the teeth and yank ** anymore, we're riding! > as hard as you can. ** -Ren > -Weird Al ** I heard that OS/2 was up over 2 mil copies, I'd say that is pretty darn good. Now it won't put Microsoft out of business but it would keep NeXT solvent and selling products that we can buy:) -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: david@jaffe.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: DSP & music Date: 18 Feb 1993 23:23:30 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1m15pi$o2q@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <yvd1Hbxopc@atlantis.psu.edu> > > I asked about the future of the DSP at the BaNG meeting at Stanford > > just a few hours ago. His answer was, from my memory, something like > > this: > > > > "The DSP is total history. The DSP was a mistake. Although > > I hadn't publicly said that in the past, we moved away > > from it about 2 years ago. However, we left it in the system because > > some people were using it and we did not want to disturb their > > applications." > > > > Then he explained that shipping the data into DSP and back out > > turned out to be a slow process as a whole, no matter how fast the > > DSP processor is for computation, and that the main CPU is much faster > > for these tasks. > > For music, the DSP is still extremely viable. You can get approximately 5-10 times the the sound synthesis or sound processing that you can get from the 040. This is especially true if you do your sound I/O using the DSP serial port. In this way "getting data in and out" is a non-issue. (By the way, "sound processing", as opposed to "synthesis", is a new feature of the 4.0 Music Kit, which supports sound i/o via the DSP serial port--this will be released in several months.) Even when compared to a RISC chip, the DSP holds its own well (when cache misses, cost, etc. are factored in). And it's hard to imagine a board with 5 or 10 RISC chips on it. If you consider a multiple-DSP card, such as the Ariel QunitProcessor (a port to which is in progress), you are talking about an excellent machine for music. Although the QP depends on the cube, the technology we are developing to get it to work is the same needed to support DSP PC cards. There are two main aspects to this: 1. Doing sound i/o to an external device plugged into the dsp serial port, rather than via DMA to the host. (This already works.) 2. Moving away from the Mach driver interface and toward a host interface memory-mapped approach. (This is in progress.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: NS 486 might very well fail Message-ID: <y!-4ywn@rpi.edu> References: <1993Feb17.181803.3053@pellns.alleg.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 00:47:02 GMT in *comp.sys.next.hardware* smytonj@murr11.alleg.edu (Jim Smyton) writes: > This is not a flame. No, but it is speculation, as opposed to hardware. Take topics like this to csn.advocacy, where speculation runs rampant. > What makes anyone think NS 486 will ever get any bigger than OS2 did? If it gets as big as OS2, it will be in very good shape. If it gets bigger than OS2, that will be even better. But all of this speculation is irrelevent to me (personally). I have some applications that I (personally) want to write. At the moment the only platform I want to write those on is NeXTSTEP. Maybe Taligent or Cairo will turn my head, if I care to wait for them. For the moment, however, I'm going to write my applications on NeXTSTEP. And for that particular analysis, I don't care a rat's ass if NeXT sells as much as OS/2 or Windows NT. As long as *I* can buy NeXTSTEP and a NeXTSTEP machine at a reasonable price, I will be programming my own interesting projects on NeXTSTEP. > Just my $0.02 I'll see your $0.02, and raise you a penny... :-) (anybody have a penny I can borrow?) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Message-ID: <1993Feb18.231437.17662@imax.imax.com> Organization: Imax Corporation, Mississauga Canada References: <1lvfmj$b1a@agate.berkeley.edu> <yvd1Hbxopc@atlantis.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 23:14:37 GMT mek@guinan.psu.edu (Mark E. Kotanchek) writes: >Just to muddle the scenario, it appears (from reading MacWeek) that >Apple's next generation of machines will feature DSP chips! > >I was really disappointed when the slabs came out that they didn't move to >a 32-bit floating-point chip vice the 56001. It is true that the 56001 >lost a good deal of its functionality because of being a 24-bit integer >processor and requiring appropriate scaling prior to using the chip for >array processing. However, with a 32-bit floating-point processor, the DSP >would have been great for heavy-duty number crunching and moved the >NeXTstation from the 4-5 MFLOP capacity of the 68040 into the 30-40 MFLOP >range. Ah, but has Apple announced that the DSP will be accessible to the user? My guess would be no. It's interesting to look at what SGI did with the Indigo. There is a DSP in there, a 56001 I think. But it's not accessible to the user at all. It's just a peripheral processor. It handles moving data between memory and the analog and digital audio I/O ports, and probably summing stereo channels to get mono, and I think it helps run the system's serial ports, and that's about it. Any complicated audio processing is done on the host CPU, a MIPS R3000 or R4000 (soon R4400). This gives you a machine that does faster floating point than DSP's anyway, with megabytes of address space, a decent C compiler, and an interactive debugger. Interface to the audio hardware is through a library. This way, when they design new hardware, they just have to make it support the functions of the old hardware. No users care whether there is a 56001 or a DSP32 or just a gate array in there. DSP's still have niches in dedicated products, where you want something small and cheap and fast at doing certain signal-processing operations. But given the speed of today's general-purpose processors, why would you want a DSP in a workstation? Dave
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: QUICK question about cables and Apple cd-rom... Date: 19 Feb 1993 04:22:10 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1m1n9iINN3i4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I received my used NeXT from NeXT reali (supposed to be earilier) in the week and they misinstalled the system completely. Not only do they not have 3.0 extended installed I whave absolutely no doc files. As a reul (result, the bacspace key isn't working right). they are shipping me a 3.0 extnded cd and I am supposed to hook my apple cd-rom up to my mono slab. I ordered a SCSI 2 cable from NeSXTconnection tonight but my cd-rom is a 50 pin scsi one. They said it was an 040 NeXT cable to a Centronix 50 pin that should work with all NeXT peripherals. Is this cable ok to use with my cd-rom? what if any changeds do I need to make to run the cd-rom? is it auto-regcognized? thanks for all the speedy email replies! :) I really would like to get this taken care of so that I can start programming and getting my UUCP feed up.... CW
From: kline@cs.arizona.edu (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: next's cd rom player is? Message-ID: <32742@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 04:04:34 GMT Sender: news@cs.arizona.edu What type of cd rom player does next use? Is it a sony CDU-561 or a CDU 541? I've heard both. -nick
From: eric@skatter.usask.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Keyswitches for old-style keyboards? Date: 19 Feb 1993 01:08:33 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <1m1buhINN92o@access.usask.ca> Due to an unfortunate incident involving a late night and a large glass of diet Pepsi, I find myself in need of about 7 or 8 keyswitches for a NeXT keyboard. I have the old-style keyboard, but the switches may be the same in the new keyboard, for all I know. Where can I buy these things? I've tried some computer repair places around town, but no luck. The Apple dealer had ALPS switches, but the plastic actuator had a different way of connecting to the keycaps. Thanks, -- Eric Norum eric@skatter.usask.ca Saskatchewan Accelerator Laboratory University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon, Canada. NeXTMail accepted.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Message-ID: <1993Feb19.062310.18223@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1lvfmj$b1a@agate.berkeley.edu> <yvd1Hbxopc@atlantis.psu.edu> <1993Feb18.231437.17662@imax.imax.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 06:23:10 GMT dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes regarding SGI Indigo: >Any complicated audio processing is done on the host CPU, a MIPS R3000 >or R4000 (soon R4400). This gives you a machine that does faster >floating point than DSP's anyway, with megabytes of address space, >a decent C compiler, and an interactive debugger. Interface to the >audio hardware is through a library. >This way, when they design new hardware, they just have to make it support >the functions of the old hardware. No users care whether there is a >56001 or a DSP32 or just a gate array in there. >DSP's still have niches in dedicated products, where you want something >small and cheap and fast at doing certain signal-processing operations. >But given the speed of today's general-purpose processors, why would you >want a DSP in a workstation? Easy answer: because UNIX isn't realtime. People in the pro audio and video business work with collections of streaming devices. If you have a computer in there, it must 1) synchronize *absolutely* to a fast external time reference and 2) have data present and ready to go when that clock ticks. Getting it right most of the time simply won't do. Nobody in his right mind will buy a machine whose sync-delivery specs are stated statistically. Using a DSP as a coprocessor is pretty stupid. Given the general quality of the engineers at NeXT, I'm surprised anyone ever thought this was a good idea. But if you need a streaming filter or generator for external data, DSPs are pretty fine. Wind 'em up and let 'em run. The music people love their NeXTs for good reason. I don't think either Steve Jobs or Bill Gates have adequately realized that the future is in active media, and that means hard realtime multiprocessors. NeXTdimension was, in concept anyway, a nice step in that direction. Too bad they're gone. Maybe SGI will figure out how to do it right, but they haven't yet. Here's hoping. Steve abell@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Message-ID: <tlm.730102963@scl3.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <tlm.730015841@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <C2n2JI.6B8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 06:22:43 GMT In <C2n2JI.6B8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: >Tom Marchioro writes >> But the printer was a long term investment and I have to wonder if it will >> be useless once the station goes the way of the dodo. >I think this is a good point, one worth considering should the upcoming >Intel machine (or any other machine to which NeXTSTEP is ported) not have >the NeXT printer port. I don't have any inside scoop on what will happen to >the NLP or the printer port in upcoming hardware, but I can offer an idea I >had about this issue. I put this idea out before, but perhaps it would be a >good time to post it again--A nifty couple of attachments someone more >hardware inclined than I could build could be: <<A COUPLE OF GOOD HARDWARE IDEAS TRIMMED>> >I figure that either of these doohickeys shouldn't cost too much, maybe $50 >per (including perhaps a MS-DOS driver, if the driver wasn't too much work, >perhaps not any software at all), maybe less. To me, this sounds like a >good, reasonably priced way to ensure that one's NLP will be a "[...] >long[er] term investment [...]" as Tom Marchioro said. I agree that one >generally doesn't get rid of one's printer when moving to another computer, >perhaps one of these items could help make the transition a little easier. These are good remarks, and apropos given the name of this newsgroup, but I'm actually less worried about the *hardware* aspects of things -- many of us learned to make special NeXT modem cables, so coming up with a hardware printer adapter seems within reason --- than I am with the "software", in particular the rendering of PS to be sent to our "dumb" memory-less NLP. Sun now sells a "SparcPrinter" which is like the NLP in this regard, i.e. dumb, very fast, pretty cheap, and I assume that the PS is rendered on the Sparc and just blasted to the printer. What software is used to do this? (Suns don't run DPS [yet!! :] so did they add something?) If the rendering/pipe-to-printer software is generally available then I would htink the NLP could indeed have a long and useful life..... Perhaps NeXTstep 486 will include this approach and all that will be needed is an adapter as Jeff suggests. Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Why do we need a DSP? (was Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake) Message-ID: <1993Feb19.074259.443@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Feb18.231437.17662@imax.imax.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 07:42:59 GMT In article <1993Feb18.231437.17662@imax.imax.com> dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes: > But given the speed of today's general-purpose processors, why would you > want a DSP in a workstation? One good use for a DSP is that it can be used to buffer real-time data acquisition that would otherwise be Fubar in a preemptive multitasking system. This is the reason virtually all neurophysiology labs I've visited use PDP-11's for data acquisition--even new labs! -Avery
From: zyp@email.teaser.com (yves pons) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 18:17:11 GMT Message-ID: <i6935.n1.t18b52ca7@email.teaser.com> Subject: Re: Photo-CD, 32MB SIMMS Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: France-Teaser, Sevres, (3617 EMAIL) References: <C2B59x.7ov@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> SERVARE Phone number is (800) 221-2217 -- Yves PONS Tel : (33) 85.93.00.46 Fax : (33) 85.48.97.19 Minicom : (33) 78.72.12.83 email : ZYP@EMAIL.TEASER.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Message-ID: <1993Feb19.074957.600@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Feb19.062310.18223@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 07:49:57 GMT In article <1993Feb19.062310.18223@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes: > Using a DSP as a coprocessor is pretty stupid. Given the general quality > of the engineers at NeXT, I'm surprised anyone ever thought this was a > good idea. But if you need a streaming filter or generator for external Well, it may be now for most non-music applications, but consider that it was a revolutionary idea back when the main processor was an underpowered 68030! Back then it made a lot of sense for doing sound processing, and it still does for realtime music generation. With faster machines it will be possible to do the music stuff on the 486. I think CCRMA is going to try to put the Music Kit on the 486, but I may be wrong. The alternative is to put it on a plug-in DSP card. I don't know... I only hack here. -Avery
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 01:52:34 CST From: <U16072@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93050.015234U16072@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Simms Being a graduate student who is just finishing, I had been considering getting a NeXT in December. Having heard of the dropping of the hardware, I still think it's a good buy ( aside from mathematica the software I want and need is included as part of the operating system). The only problem is upgrading the hardware. As I understand it most of the other upgrades are standard devices. What about the Simm's? -------------------------------------------------- Thaddeus Olczyk, University of Illinois at Chicago olczyk@uicws.phy.uic.edu
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Why do we need a DSP? (was Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake) Date: 19 Feb 1993 10:01:43 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1m2b67$69q@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Feb19.074259.443@leland.Stanford.EDU> In article <1993Feb19.074259.443@leland.Stanford.EDU> avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) writes: >In article <1993Feb18.231437.17662@imax.imax.com> dave@imax.imax.com (Dave >Martindale) writes: >> But given the speed of today's general-purpose processors, why would you >> want a DSP in a workstation? > > >One good use for a DSP is that it can be used to buffer real-time data >acquisition that would otherwise be Fubar in a preemptive multitasking system. >This is the reason virtually all neurophysiology labs I've visited use >PDP-11's for data acquisition--even new labs! Hi, Avery, Of course, you are not visiting the right labs :-). Come on up. Here, we do neurophysiology data acquisition with a NeXT via the DSP (and I will do fine on NS/Intel, thanks). We don't have any PDP-11's at Berkeley :-). Just so people don't get a wrong impression that neurophysiology is so technically backward. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (jin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Message-ID: <Feb.19.02.41.10.1993.23586@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 07:41:11 GMT References: <1lvfmj$b1a@agate.berkeley.edu> <yvd1Hbxopc@atlantis.psu.edu> <1993Feb18.231437.17662@imax.imax.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes: >mek@guinan.psu.edu (Mark E. Kotanchek) writes: >>Just to muddle the scenario, it appears (from reading MacWeek) that >>Apple's next generation of machines will feature DSP chips! >> >>I was really disappointed when the slabs came out that they didn't move to >>a 32-bit floating-point chip vice the 56001. It is true that the 56001 >>lost a good deal of its functionality because of being a 24-bit integer >>processor and requiring appropriate scaling prior to using the chip for >>array processing. However, with a 32-bit floating-point processor, the DSP >>would have been great for heavy-duty number crunching and moved the >>NeXTstation from the 4-5 MFLOP capacity of the 68040 into the 30-40 MFLOP >>range. >Ah, but has Apple announced that the DSP will be accessible to the user? >My guess would be no. DSP3210 is designed to be accessible to the user, because it shares memory in the main board. >It's interesting to look at what SGI did with the Indigo. There is a >DSP in there, a 56001 I think. But it's not accessible to the user at >all. It's just a peripheral processor. It handles moving data >between memory and the analog and digital audio I/O ports, and probably >summing stereo channels to get mono, and I think it helps run the system's >serial ports, and that's about it. >Any complicated audio processing is done on the host CPU, a MIPS R3000 >or R4000 (soon R4400). This gives you a machine that does faster >floating point than DSP's anyway, with megabytes of address space, >a decent C compiler, and an interactive debugger. Interface to the >audio hardware is through a library. >This way, when they design new hardware, they just have to make it support >the functions of the old hardware. No users care whether there is a >56001 or a DSP32 or just a gate array in there. >DSP's still have niches in dedicated products, where you want something >small and cheap and fast at doing certain signal-processing operations. >But given the speed of today's general-purpose processors, why would you >want a DSP in a workstation? > Dave FYI 1.The DSP3210 used in Apple's new machines is a 33 MFLOPS device and has an assambly language very close to C. Whenever assembly code is needed, DSP3210 should be the prefered choice, IMHO. Who wants to write an FFT in R4000 assembly? 2. DSP3210 is below $50 for large quantity (1K+). 3. Like most of DSP chips, DSP3210 uses Harvard architechure. In one instruction, you can access up to three memory locations with pointers updated arbitrarily by three registers while multiplication and addition are executing. It would take much more instructions for a RISC processor to do the same thing. 4. DSP3210 is designed to share memory with main processors. Therefore, no I/O movements but memory movements. I/O bottleneck is much reduced on the CPU side. 5. DSP3210 has a very extensive multimedia library listed below: LD-CELP encoder/decoder and many other speech coders MPEG and PAC audio encoders/decoders V.32/V.32bis Modem Digital Answering machine(with DTMF, Caller ID, etc.) JPEG encoder/decoder Speaker independent Speech recognition Text to Speech synthesizer ans many others which I don't remember. IMO, The mistake that Steve Jobs made was choosing a wrong DSP chip. If he had chosen DSP3210, there wouldn't be any one who can compete with NeXT in the multimedia area. Gavin
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Wanted: Black hard disk case Date: 18 Feb 1993 22:43:34 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1m13enINN5qb@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1lu5o9INNomb@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In article <1lu5o9INNomb@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) writes: #Hi: # #I'm looking for a NeXTBlack case for my 3.5" Fujitsu Hard disk (520MB #M-2624F) It has to have a power supply, fan, SCSI id selector and led #lights. If you know of any source for new or used cases please send me #e-mail. Thank you. #P.S. #I already tried (with no satisfactory result): #1. PLI <-- don't sell them #2. Liberty Systems <-- don't sell them #3. The Cube Route <--- don't sell them #4. Park systems technology <-- out of stock waited 3 weeks for nothing. #5. NextConnection <--- Very expensive ($395) # #-- #Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 #Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan #2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2313 #wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly Try Tecor, Inc. although someone earlier mentioned they were having some problems.... We have had excellent service from them in the past... Send email to info@tecor.com -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Date: 19 Feb 1993 13:01:42 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1m2lnm$7pi@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <Feb.19.02.41.10.1993.23586@gandalf.rutgers.edu> In article <Feb.19.02.41.10.1993.23586@gandalf.rutgers.edu> jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (jin) writes: >IMO, The mistake that Steve Jobs made was choosing a wrong DSP chip. If he had >chosen DSP3210, there wouldn't be any one who can compete with NeXT in the >multimedia area. This is silly. The chip selection was made around 1987. He might have used it if it was available in 1987 for the price you mention. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,ut.general,ut.chinese,ut.dcs.general,tor.general,ut.cquest.general,ut.dcs.systems,ut.ee.eecg.computer From: chang@ecf.toronto.edu (CHANG Rong Fawn Teresa) Subject: Disable floppy controller for Commodore PC40-III Message-ID: <C2pD5M.8EM@ecf.toronto.edu> Keywords: Manual doesn't say it (?) Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 15:46:33 GMT Hello there, Does anyone out there know how to disable the floppy controller which is built-in on the motherboard for Commodore PC40-III? It seems that the manual has ways to disable the HD controller (but nowhere about the floppy controller disable?). Please email to chang@ugsparc0.eecg.toronto.edu or this account. Thanks for any reply!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: Mass Purchase of Intel Hardware Message-ID: <C2pFEL.L0@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: Intel,486,NeXTSTEP,Beta,ANDI Sender: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 16:35:08 GMT ANDI has been working with the manufacturers of Intel hardware who expect to support NeXTSTEP. As a service to the development community we are negotiating for volume discounts from the manufacturers. Commitments to ANDI for special pricing have been made by Altima and Goldstar with Dell and Epson expected to provide special pricing in the next few days. NEC indicated that they are interested but cannot comment at the moment. For more information on offering from these vendors and info on offerings from other vendors (Compaq, Gateway, Toshiba), please send me mail. Indicate if you can receive NeXTmail or ASCII. Ask to be put on the Mass Purchase Update list. This report also details specific offerings from each vendor with future updates to include how to apply for resale if you are a dealer/VAR, comments on levels of support for NeXTSTEP by each vendor. ANDI is also providing reports on where to find reviews of monitors, peripherals, user surveys on vendor satisfaction. We hope to hear from you. We here to help. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613 -- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Abaton FAX... Message-ID: <C2M1Ft.11p@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1993 20:40:40 GMT Is anyone still using an Abaton FAX modem? (or HSD, they are the same) I'm almost positive that I have the correct cable, but I can not get it to work. I constantly get the Software Error... Alert. Could someone with a working Abaton send me a register & setting dump? (AT&V) I know the modem works, I have used it as a modem with cu. I currently have it hooked up to my Mac using the InferFAX software (ugh), so the FAX part also works... Thanks Dirk Fromhein uunet!ripple!jaeger
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Date: 19 Feb 93 11:58:49 Organization: Is a sign of weakness Message-ID: <SCOTT.93Feb19115849@nic.gac.edu> References: <tlm.730015841@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <C2n2JI.6B8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <tlm.730102963@scl3.al.iastate.edu> In-reply-to: tlm@iastate.edu's message of Fri, 19 Feb 1993 06:22:43 GMT In article <tlm.730102963@scl3.al.iastate.edu>, tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: >These are good remarks, and apropos given the name of this newsgroup, >but I'm actually less worried about the *hardware* aspects of things >-- many of us learned to make special NeXT modem cables, so coming >up with a hardware printer adapter seems within reason --- Problem is that you'd probably need to build a "black box" (pun intended) to sit between the new input (serial or Ethernet) and the printer and meter out the printer data at the right speed. The best solution would be to put 2M in the box so that it just accumulates the entire page worth and sends it out as needed. When building NeXT modem cables, at least you know that at base, the specs for the ports on either end are designed to work together. This problem is more like a bridge in that it has to actually translate stuff between different media, whereas the modem cable is more like a repeater which just takes the same old stuff and forwards it. I'm not saying it can't be done. It just wouldn't be a $50 solution as someone has implied (2M RAM is $50), anymore than DSP faxmodems turned out to be a $50 solution. This is no more a trivial problem to solve than it is trivial to hook your Ethernet up to your phone line. >than I am with the "software", in particular the rendering of PS to >be sent to our "dumb" memory-less NLP. Well, if you have a NeXTSTEP machine, just have it do the rendering and send things off over Ethernet! >Sun now sells a "SparcPrinter" which is like the NLP in this regard, >i.e. dumb, very fast, pretty cheap, and I assume that the PS is >rendered on the Sparc and just blasted to the printer. What software >is used to do this? (Suns don't run DPS [yet!! :] so did they add >something?) Sun uses (used, sorry) NeWS which was a DSP clone that was out a few years before NeXTs were. Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT in Transition as a software company Message-ID: <6841@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 19 Feb 93 21:41:53 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Re: NeXT in Transition as a software company I hope that the following information from NeXT helps you. Additional information regarding specific questions that you may have will be forthcoming. Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Group Program _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1) NeXT is planning on notifying all of its customers about the details of our ongoing commitment to customers who have purchased NeXT's Motorola-based products. NeXT intends to continue to support both their hardware and software investment. 2) The recent transition document paper was designed for industry and analysts and the press to provide background NeXT's decision to leave the hardware business and focus on software. It was not intended to provide detailed plans on how NeXT would continue to honor commitments to our existing customers, who are very, very important to NeXT. We decided to share the transition backgrounder with the entire NeXT community, but did not intend that piece to answer all the questions about our transition to software - just the highest level 'rationale' for the overall transition. 3) We had hoped to announce the details of our customer support plans. Because the press preempted us, our announcements are not as 'simultaneous' as we would have liked. But details about ongoing customer support will be forthcoming, very, very soon. We DO plan to maintain the value of our customers' investment in NeXT's hardware. And, most importantly, everyone at NeXT, from company's senior executives on down, recognizes the importance of those who have adopted NeXTSTEP before NeXTSTEP became a more 'mainstream' operating system platform. We care and will continue to care about them.
From: jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (jin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Message-ID: <Feb.19.17.09.17.1993.8643@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 22:09:17 GMT References: <Feb.19.02.41.10.1993.23586@gandalf.rutgers.edu> <1m2lnm$7pi@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >This is silly. The chip selection was made around 1987. >He might have used it if it was available in 1987 for the price you mention. Well, I forgot AT&T DSP3210 was not available until 91. I just hope NeXT to choose DSP3210 with their NeXTStep/Intel. The VCOS(AT&T's multitasking DSP operating system) supports both DSP developers and application developers. It's designed with object-orientation in mind. It lets DSP programmers develop, execute, and test DSP tasks made up of interconnected sets of modules. Once tested, these tasks can be used by application developers without modification in multimedia applications. If NeXT uses DSP3210/VCOS, it will be a perfect match. Software developers can sell their objects and DSP developers can sell their modules. It will attract more developers to write multimedia applicatrions for NeXT. VCOS is going to dominate the multimedia market.( companies design new computers with it have over 50% share of the US computer market). I own two NeXT machines and I love them. I want to see NeXT make good strides with the abundant multimedia support of VCOS. Gavin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Dual (or more) headed w/NS486 Message-ID: <C2pLns.1MM@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 18:50:15 GMT I just realized that to the best of my knowledge nothing has been said about supporting more than one video card with NSIntel. The one thing I *REALLY* miss from my Mac past is the ability to have more than one monitor. I almost consider two monitors essential for getting work done in a timely fashion. One for editing/debugging and one for testing applications. (BTW: yes I am aware of VirtSpace (and own it), but it's just not the same as having two+ monitors) Has anyone heard anything on this? Thanks Dirk Fromhein Watershed Technologies uunet!ripple!df
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Conrad_Geiger@next.com Subject: NeXT in Transition as a software company Message-ID: <9302192234.AA07052@toto.NeXT.COM> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 22:34:14 GMT Re: NeXT in Transition as a software company I hope that the following information from NeXT helps you. Additional information regarding specific questions that you may have will be forthcoming. Conrad Geiger Manager, International NeXT User Group Program _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 1) NeXT is planning on notifying all of its customers about the details of our ongoing commitment to customers who have purchased NeXT's Motorola-based products. NeXT intends to continue to support both their hardware and software investment. 2) The recent transition document paper was designed for industry and analysts and the press to provide background NeXT's decision to leave the hardware business and focus on software. It was not intended to provide detailed plans on how NeXT would continue to honor commitments to our existing customers, who are very, very important to NeXT. We decided to share the transition backgrounder with the entire NeXT community, but did not intend that piece to answer all the questions about our transition to software - just the highest level 'rationale' for the overall transition. 3) We had hoped to announce the details of our customer support plans. Because the press preempted us, our announcements are not as 'simultaneous' as we would have liked. But details about ongoing customer support will be forthcoming, very, very soon. We DO plan to maintain the value of our customers' investment in NeXT's hardware. And, most importantly, everyone at NeXT, from company's senior executives on down, recognizes the importance of those who have adopted NeXTSTEP before NeXTSTEP became a more 'mainstream' operating system platform. We care and will continue to care about them.
From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Exporting CD-ROM thru NFS Message-ID: <1993Feb19.211326.18436@serval.net.wsu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 93 21:13:26 GMT Article-I.D.: serval.1993Feb19.211326.18436 Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Could someone who has had experience exporting with NFS and the CD-ROM drive on the NeXT please give me some help? I am having a devil of a time trying to export a CD-ROM over NFS. I can seem to import the directory on another machine, but I can only look at the directories. I can change the directories and look at the file listing, but I cannot open or look into the files. ARGH!!!! Please send help! -- *********************************************************************** * John Burke * * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * jburke@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu * ***********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Message-ID: <1993Feb19.234445.24138@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <Feb.19.17.09.17.1993.8643@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 93 23:44:45 GMT In article <Feb.19.17.09.17.1993.8643@gandalf.rutgers.edu> jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (jin) writes: > I just hope NeXT to choose DSP3210 with their NeXTStep/Intel. The > VCOS(AT&T's multitasking DSP operating system) > supports both DSP developers and application developers. It's > designed with object-orientation in mind. It lets DSP programmers develop, > If NeXT uses DSP3210/VCOS, it will be a perfect match. Software developers > can sell their objects and DSP developers can sell their modules. It will > attract more developers to write multimedia applicatrions for NeXT. Are there PC boards with this DSP chip on it? Anyway, we should be able to write drivers for such a thing in the future. Perhaps some entrepreneurial person wants to do that?! Also, what about 96002 cards? Ariel has a dual 96002 card for the PC, but I don't have a price list for their stuff. -Avery
From: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Message-ID: <1m3sd8$ihs@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: 20 Feb 93 00:01:44 GMT Article-I.D.: pith.1m3sd8$ihs References: <SCOTT.93Feb19115849@nic.gac.edu> Organization: University of Oregon Network Services I have to agree that the NeXT laser printer will be difficult to port to a '486 machine; however, I would assume that if someone has a NLP, they also have a NeXT to go with it! Just because NeXT won't continue to produce hardware doesn't mean that the beautiful black box will be useless. So, string a $5 length of ethernet between your '486 and your NeXT, and whammo, you're off and running. The NeXT will do the imaging, taking the load off of the '486 box. Another consideration, which in my opinion is rather important, the NeXT sends PostScript information to the printer daemon; if the destination printer is not a NLP, it just spools the code to the "smart" printer. The offshoot of this is that the PostScript code does NOT include font information, so you're stuck with what's in the printer. Of course, you can go to the Unix prompt and hand load each of the fonts into the printer, but it's rather tedious and time consuming. So, if you use any fonts that aren't in your printer, be prepared for a lot of Unix interaction! My NLP was one of the best investments I've ever made (besides the NeXT itself!). It used to be PostScript Level 1, and now it's Level 2 (with NS 3.0)! Not many third party printers could've done that... -jason ______________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, Student Programmer/Consultant| No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
From: jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (jin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Message-ID: <Feb.20.00.02.34.1993.28207@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 20 Feb 93 05:02:35 GMT References: <Feb.19.17.09.17.1993.8643@gandalf.rutgers.edu> <1993Feb19.234445.24138@leland.Stanford.EDU> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) writes: >Are there PC boards with this DSP chip on it? >Anyway, we should be able to write drivers for such a thing in the future. Perhaps some entrepreneurial person wants to do that?! >Also, what about 96002 cards? Ariel has a dual 96002 card for the PC, but I don't have a price list for their stuff. >-Avery Both Ariel and CAC have DSP3210 boards. Ariel's board has dual DSPs. There are DSP3 boards for DSP32C. I hope a similar board with DSP3210 be available soon. I remember DSP3 board can have as many as 128 DSP32Cs. My coworker told me that CAC board is under $300. The Ariel board is extendable to more than 6 DSP3210s according to what I heard, I may be wrong. Gavin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Message-ID: <tlm.730184420@vincent1.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <SCOTT.93Feb19115849@nic.gac.edu> <1m3sd8$ihs@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 05:00:20 GMT In <1m3sd8$ihs@pith.uoregon.edu> jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) writes: >I have to agree that the NeXT laser printer will be difficult to port to >a '486 machine; however, I would assume that if someone has a NLP, they >also have a NeXT to go with it! >Just because NeXT won't continue to produce hardware doesn't mean that >the beautiful black box will be useless. So, string a $5 length of >ethernet between your '486 and your NeXT, and whammo, you're off and >running. The NeXT will do the imaging, taking the load off of the '486 >box. This is a good point to be sure, and I've also received a couple of mail messages to this effect, but I think you've missed the original point of this thread (which I didn't start): I *understand* that as long as I have a NeXT my NLP is worthy, indeed wonderful. The discussion is, since NeXT is no longer making computers does that mean if our NeXTstation fries, develops Alzheimer's, or runs off with an Indigo that the printer is useless? Even if none of the above happens (and each is unlikely to varying extent :) it may prove somewhat troublesome to keep the NeXT around JUST TO ACT AS A PRINT SERVER. Admittedly, there are few other "smart" printers you can run Mathematica on in a pinch :) --- a little piece of trivia, for about 3 years the most powerful computer sold by Apple was the Laserwriter II NTX --- but remember that your station has to have a disc, has to have the monitor attached, etc. etc. I can see a situation arising in which you have to pay a major repair bill on the station --- say a new monitor --- just so you can keep your printer working, when otherwise you might be tempted to let the station die (ohhhhh, it hurts to even think that :) So I ask again, are there any other possibilities for the NLP? Scott Hess has pointed out that even making the hardware connections may not be trivial, but it would reassuring to know, given the relative numbers of Sparcstations, that the NLP could be attached with a suitable adaptor to an IPC or ELC that, using NeWs, could properly drive it. >Another consideration, which in my opinion is rather important, the NeXT >sends PostScript information to the printer daemon; if the destination >printer is not a NLP, it just spools the code to the "smart" printer. >The offshoot of this is that the PostScript code does NOT include font >information, so you're stuck with what's in the printer. This is another good point, one I run into all the time because I use Postscript TeX fonts. For TeX it's easy enough to work around, although your typical one page document is about 300K, sigh.... (at least it's not linear, a 20 page document is only about 350K :) but I remain somewhat surprised that no one has made a "nifty little PD app" --- something NeXTland is famous for! --- to take a .ps file and include the relevant fonts with the punch of a button. >My NLP was one of the best investments I've ever made (besides the NeXT >itself!). It used to be PostScript Level 1, and now it's Level 2 (with >NS 3.0)! Not many third party printers could've done that... Agreed, agreed! I just want it to stay that way. My personal experience has shown that printers outlast computers by many many years (the research group in which I did my PhD work is still using their original Apple LW, admittedly now augmented with a II NTX, while the original Macs disappeared YEARS ago, and even the "second generation" Macs they bought are almost all phased out). The NLP is a gem, but I worry it could become a gem of a paperweight. Tom
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) Subject: Re: Why do we need a DSP? (was Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake) Message-ID: <1993Feb20.044836.4357@imax.imax.com> Organization: Imax Corporation, Mississauga Canada References: <1993Feb18.231437.17662@imax.imax.com> <1993Feb19.074259.443@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 04:48:36 GMT I wrote: >> But given the speed of today's general-purpose processors, why would you >> want a DSP in a workstation? avery@gestalt.stanford.edu (Avery Wang) writes: >One good use for a DSP is that it can be used to buffer real-time data >acquisition that would otherwise be Fubar in a preemptive multitasking system. This *is* what SGI uses the 56000 for in the Indigo, more or less. I thought I made that clear. Anyway, let me rephrase: With a 100 MHz R4000 (or 100 MHz HPPA or 150 MHz Alpha or ...) processor already available in your workstation, with the usual software development environment supporting it, what would you use a DSP for even if it was already on the board? If there was a DSP and it already supported buffered realtime data I/O, would you want to program it to do anything else? And if you would, are there enough people doing what you want to do to justify including one in every workstation as a standard feature, instead of on an add-on board? Dave
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Dual (or more) headed w/NS486 Message-ID: <Feb.20.03.29.35.1993.3570@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 20 Feb 93 08:29:36 GMT References: <C2pLns.1MM@ripple.uunet> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) writes: >The one thing I *REALLY* miss from my Mac past is the ability to have more >than one monitor. I almost consider two monitors essential for getting >work done in a timely fashion. One for editing/debugging and one for Well you can get a NeXTdimension and use it and your old mono monitor. Or for the next guy with everything, get multiple next dimensions ;-) Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gast@next.ben-fh.tuwien.ac.at (Gast) Subject: Question on NeXT's Mach ports and sound devices Message-ID: <1993Feb20.113916.17527@email.tuwien.ac.at> Keywords: NeXT's Mach ports and sound devices Sender: news@email.tuwien.ac.at Organization: Technical University of Vienna Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 11:39:16 GMT QUESTIONS ABOUT NeXT's MACH PORTS and SOUND DEVICES I am now concerned with the sound output and I find that some fundamental things are not clear with the NeXT's Mach ports to me. 1) How can I get a port for example the DAC's sound out device port by the netname_look_up()? I do not know what is the "netname_name_t" name of that. What is a device port abstraction? 2) I wanted to send buffers to the SoundOut from the DSP or from the host but neither was succesful. Then I tried it with the SNDStartPlaying(). It worked, but only when I set channelCount = 1 in the SNDSoundStruct. By setting channelCount = 2 it came back with KERN_SUCCESS but I did not hear anything. Then I tried it with channelCount = 1 in a loop to read data in a stream from the DSP and then sent them with the SNDStartPlaying(). After one or two cycles the program exited at reading from or writing to the DSP because of "invalid port(-102)". So my second two questions are : (a) Why did SNDStartPlaying() not work with channelCount=2 though it came back with a KERN_SUCCESS? (b) Why did SNDStartPlaying() not work together with snddriver_stream_start_reading() or snddriver_dsp_write()? 3)I tried streaming to the SoundOut from the DSP and then from the host as well. Again, the function came back with KERN_SUCCESS, but I did not hear anything. I do not think that my test data was wrong (1kHz sinusouid), because I heard them with SNDStartPlaying(), channelCount = 1. I made the following inits, when I tried to send test data from the host to SoundOut: SNDAcquire(/*SND_ACCESS_DSP |*/ SND_ACCESS_OUT, 0, 0, 0, NULL_NEGOTIATION_FUN,0, &dev_port, &owner_port); (I used that because I had problems with netname_look_up() ) .. k_err = snddriver_stream_setup(dev_port, owner_port, SNDDRIVER_STREAM_TO_SNDOUT_44, test_count, 2, low_water, high_water, &protocol, &write_port); .. k_err = snddriver_stream_start_writing(write_port, (void *)test_data, test_size, WRITE_TAG, 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, reply_port); What was wrong? But why came the function back with a KERN_SUCCESS? Shall I get the device_port with netname_look_up(), and than the owner_port with snddriver_set_sndout_owner_port()? What is in fact a device_port? When I want to use the DSP and the DAC in parallel, do I need two extra device_ports or can I use one and or the access rights in SNDAcquire()? Thank you -Peter ################################################## #Peter Meszaros # Contact address: # #Vienna , AUSTRIA # Lucas.Filz@user.univie.ac.at # #(I am from HUNGARY)# # ##################################################
From: mb108@cs.city.ac.uk (omo Adelakun Toyin K) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch Subject: Rewritable CD drives for the NeXT Date: 20 Feb 1993 13:14:21 -0000 Organization: Computer Science Dept, City University, London Distribution: world Message-ID: <1m5ardINN1o0@fred.cs.city.ac.uk> Is there any truth in the assertion that rewritable CD drives are now widely-available in continental USA? If so, do such drives have SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 interfaces (or neither)? I'd like one for a NeXT Cube or Station. Thanx for any info (preferably directed at toyin@aixssc.ibm.co.uk), Toyin.
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Getting 3.0 installed properly.... Date: 20 Feb 1993 17:27:40 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1m5pmcINNps2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Well, I'd like to thank all those who helped me earlier but I'm reporting back with more problems. I now have a 3.0 cd, an apple cd-rom, a terminator, and a cable which NeXT connection says was SCSI-2 25 pin on one side and SCSI-1 50 pin on the other side.... IF the computer boots then it just doesn't even recognize the disc. I would really like to get this fixed. They said they would ship the machine with 3.0 extended and they didn't even get the 3.0 basic all right. All advice appreciated.....thanks again guys.... CW
From: robin@pencom.com (Robin D. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Thin Ethernet question Message-ID: <1993Feb19.224558.2993@pencom.com> Date: 19 Feb 93 22:45:58 GMT References: <1993Feb12.131643.13504@ccsi.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software In article <1993Feb12.131643.13504@ccsi.com> jcorallo@ccsi.com (P. John Corallo) writes: > In article <3093@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim > Cathey) writes: > > We have hundreds of nodes on our Cheapernet installation here, and two > > or three 8-port Cheapernet repeaters. Only rarely do we ever have a > > problem (one or two times a year some bozo breaks a leg of the LAN), and > > we can easily add to our network with little or no problem, without > > calling Facilities to get new wires pulled and hubs bought. > > > > -- > That is a good arguement, but if you are talking about a wiring problem a > few times a year where 25 people are out of business for 2-4 hours, the > cost to a company in dollars can be amazing. The real advantage is losing > only one person if you have a wiring problem and also the ability to > quickly track problems. It is especially useful in a large network to use Additionally, some 10Base-T HUBs can act as routers, routing traffic only to those ports necessary. This substantially improves throughput for your average network connection. By-and-large, the HUB is only one part of the cost (the most expense part...). The wiring for twisted pair is cheaper by-the-foot, but you have to run more (all wires terminate at the HUB vs. leap-frogging from office to office). So basically, wiring cost is a push. On the other hand, from the wall outlet (I assume here that you want a professional looking installation with self terminating wall jacks for the Thinnet) your costs go up. First there's the self terminating wall outlet. We get our for about $12. Versus a twisted pair RJ45 outlet at about $3 (in volumes under 100). Next there's the cable from the wall outlet to the machine. Ours vary based on length, but anywhere from $25-$45 per cable. Versus $8-$10 per twisted pair cable. Finally, there is flexibility. What else can Thinnet be used for? What else can UTP be used for? UTP wins this race hands down. EVERY office must have at least 1 UTP run (for the phones). If we go with UTP for the network, we can add extra lines at the cost of the hardware (wiring/wall jacks). If we go TN, we have entire new sets of runs (in different directions). Conviently, we add two extra 4pair wires to the UTP runs (1 phone + 2 data), and we can add an extra Network connection, serial terminal, phone, modem line, etc. to each office. IF WE WANT TO EXTEND THE UTP PAST THE LIMIT IN A PARTICULAR OFFICE, WE CAN ADD A THINNET TRANSCEIVER TO THE UTP OUTLET, AND RUN THINNET WITHIN THE OFFICE (of course it helps that our workstations do either/or straight out of the box). Throw in the management hassles associated with TN, and UTP wins in both cost and maintenance. -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |They didn't even know I could talk, much less have opinions (yeah right!) | |USNail: 701 Canyon Bend Dr. Internet: robin@pencom.com | | Pflugerville, TX 78660 | | Home: (512)251-1737 Work: (512)343-1111 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: UPDATE: on getting 3.0 installed... Date: 20 Feb 1993 19:10:08 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1m5vmgINN2od@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I got it to recognize the drive now when insert the disk console says: DISK UNFORMATTED write protected then it ejects...any ideas? CW
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS 486 might very well fail Date: 20 Feb 1993 11:21:59 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1m60cnINN7qi@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <C2Ioq3.D1n@unix.portal.com> <1993Feb17.181803.3053@pellns.alleg.edu> > >What makes anyone think NS 486 will ever get any bigger than OS2 did? >If you are going to say, "The developing environment," think again. No >doubt that Interface/Project Builder is the most advanced product >presently on the market, but most businesses and people have no knowledge >of C, Mach/Unix, and are not looking for an OS which they can develop >software in. I would guess that that is one of the reasons that very few >people (proportionally) bought NeXT hardware. > >Just my $0.02 >-- >Jim Smyton (smytonj@alleg.edu) This perspective is quite strange in that we've downsized over the past few years from a 15 million dollar mainframe (sold surplus for 10k I might add) to an HP300/980. We've got well over 30 programmers tweekin this thang to port the software from the old system to the new and spending money to upgrade is no problem around here. And from what I read in the trades, we're not alone in this endeavor. I think that the main problem NeXT is facing is that "folk's"--not necessarily special folks--tend to go with what they know (whats safe) regardless of what is more efficient and/or cost effective. In that way they can be sure to deny accountability if the system doesn't work out. Blaming Microsoft for failing is alot easier to swallow than blaming NeXT that is if your into swalling--but since most are not (no pun intended)--why take a chance on NeXTSTEP? The wait and see mentality for "industry standard" seems to be dictated by marketing as opposed to being dependant upon user needs and that is a shame because its most unproductive. In my efforts to expose NeXTSTEP to others I run into some people with attitudes that stem from what is considered "industry standard" or "state of the art" but their arguments lack vision, confidence and open mindedness due to their unwillingness to even consider disturbing their somewhat stagnant existence entrenched in Windows. Its comfortable and consistant so why change? To be more productive of course. One interesting thing that I've observed lately is that most people read about new things individually and maybe experience them first hand later. I wonder how effective NeXT marketing would be if NeXT sponsored free seminars on site to groups of programmers so they could see, hear, and touch NeXTSTEP firsthand without depending upon biased journalism. Viewing the NeXTSTEP 3.0 video and then working with a machine might be most effective. But then again I work in education so this situation may not cross over to the business world. Does it? Hopefully, NeXT will stick to a no-nonsense approach in educating its market rather than depending upon slick hype without substance as seen in the last NT free video. I'm still as execited as ever about NeXTSTEP and NO I am not dumping my machine, I really dig it actually. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gary@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Gary Ritchie) Subject: 486 variants Message-ID: <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 19:52:36 GMT After two years of ignoring Intel hardware to work on the NeXT, I've fallen behind on 486/Pentium developments. Could someone who is up on these things give a overview; it would probably benefit a lot of NeXT user's who are going to have to start knowing such stuff. Specifically: - What are the pros and cons of the speed-doubling configurations; that is, how does a 486DX-50 machine differ from a 486DX2-50? In general, with everything else equal, which might be preferred for NS/Intel: a DX-50 or a DX2-66? - Is there a plan for DX-50 machines to be upgradeable to a DX2-100? - How does the Pentium fit into all of this? Many 486 machines are now advertised as being upgradeable to the Pentium. - What are the general specs of the Pentium? Is it just a faster 486? I've heard that programs will need to recompiled with a Pentium-specific compiler to really take advantage of the chip. Why? Is there a new instruction set that is faster than the 386/486 ops? Please, no "I hate Intel, they are evil" ranting. ;-) Just the facts. --- Gary Ritchie gary@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Simms Date: 19 Feb 1993 15:36:25 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: world Message-ID: <1m2upp$5u4@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <93050.015234U16072@uicvm.uic.edu> U16072@uicvm.uic.edu wrote: : Being a graduate student who is just finishing, I had been considering : getting a NeXT in December. Having heard of the dropping of the hardware, : I still think it's a good buy ( aside from mathematica the software I : want and need is included as part of the operating system). The only : problem is upgrading the hardware. As I understand it most of the other : upgrades are standard devices. What about the Simm's? : -------------------------------------------------- : Thaddeus Olczyk, University of Illinois at Chicago : olczyk@uicws.phy.uic.edu Heeeeerrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee's Nathan
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Hayes ISDN Extender Date: 20 Feb 1993 15:28:50 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1m6eriINNbci@spock.dis.cccd.edu> I am seeking dialog with others concerning the implamentation of ISDN and my NeXTstation. I want to establish a .com account somewhere and be able to log in from home with the ISDN extender for the NeXT. The way I understand it I will not be able to talk to anyone else via ISDN unless they too have a NeXT with an ISDN Extender. I've been told that the NeXT communication package is proprietary. Is this true? Is there a work around? I have a .com account at work and currently dial in at 2400 baud under kermit which is a drag to say the least. Even if our system administrator gets ISDN for the HP's on sight it seems that I am out of luck unless I spend alot more on another box that doesn't interface the NeXT's DSP port. Is yhis other box--can't think of the name offhand--the only solution? The only other option I seem to have is to telnet to a .com account on my lunch hour from work but I really don't want that avenue to cause conflict. Any ideas. I primarily need to send and receive mail. Sincerely, maurices
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Toshiba MK538FB 1.2Gb drive help, please Date: 21 Feb 1993 01:40:33 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1m6miiINN710@clem.handheld.com> We just installed a Toshiba MK538FB in a 25Mhz Mono NeXTStation, and are having problems with file system corruption. The beast is covered with jumpers, and I have no clear idea as to how to set them. Anyone who has had experience with this drive, please let me know how successful you were, and what jumper settings are critical. Reply by E-mail to jmd@cube.handheld.com Thanks, Jim -- Jim De Arras | The opinions expressed herein are Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand 804.784.3090 voice | Held Products, Inc., and may not 804.784.3147 FAX | even be mine. Use at your own risk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: doberman!mike (Mike Panzitta) Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Message-ID: <1993Feb21.021350.842@doberman.com> Sender: mike@doberman.com Organization: Doberman Systems References: <1993Feb18.064330.3987@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 02:13:50 GMT In article <1993Feb18.064330.3987@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) writes: > cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes: > : > : If a 600 dpi printer from HP with a nice processor is not much > : more why would anyone buy the NeXT printer (it is nice it has > : its own port and is black but other than it).... > : CW > > Nobody's going to be buying the NeXT printer anymore. They aren't being made, > I assume. > > Also, remember that that 400 dpi printer has been around since NeXT's came out. > It's gotten a little long in the tooth, but it has been very cost effective > for most of its lifetime. Take a look at all of the cards (ISA and EISA) available for PCs. I would tend to believe that one could be created with a NeXT Printer port. The result? The same thing that we now have on our cubes and slabs. PostScript still gets imaged in the host CPU and gets bit-blasted out to the "dumb" printer by way of the printer-interface-board. OK, so who's the hardware whiz who's going to make and sell a few of these? -Mike -- Mike Panzitta Doberman Systems mike@doberman.com (NeXT Mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Simms Message-ID: <1993Feb21.042635.11408@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1m2upp$5u4@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 04:26:35 GMT In article <1m2upp$5u4@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) writes: > U16072@uicvm.uic.edu wrote: > : Being a graduate student who is just finishing, I had been considering > : getting a NeXT in December. Having heard of the dropping of the hardware, > : I still think it's a good buy ( aside from mathematica the software I > : want and need is included as part of the operating system). The only > : problem is upgrading the hardware. As I understand it most of the other > : upgrades are standard devices. What about the Simm's? > : -------------------------------------------------- > : Thaddeus Olczyk, University of Illinois at Chicago > : olczyk@uicws.phy.uic.edu > > Heeeeerrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee's Nathan I emailed him the FAQ.memory. I don't even want to think about how to update the FAQs with the news about NeXT dropping the hardware... -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl (Toon Moene) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 486 variants Message-ID: <428@moene.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: 20 Feb 93 23:32:55 GMT References: <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl Organization: Moene Computational Physics, Amsterdam, The Netherlands In article <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> gary@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Gary Ritchie) writes: > After two years of ignoring Intel hardware to work on the NeXT, I've > fallen behind on 486/Pentium developments. Could someone who is up on > these things give a overview; it would probably benefit a lot of NeXT > user's who are going to have to start knowing such stuff. Specifically: Pah, they'd better port NeXTSTEP to some useful hardware; I'm not in the market for a course on clony, do-it-yourself, el-cheapo, beige boxes. I'll keep ignoring Intel hardware as I have done since I bought a Z80 based 'home computer' in 1980. -- Toon Moene (toon@moene.indiv.nluug.nl) Kantershof 269, 1104 GN Amsterdam, The Netherlands Phone: + 31 20 6982029; Fax: + 31 20 6003411 No Disclaimers; a NeXT at home protects against this occupational hazard.
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.dcom.modems From: thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca (Chris Thierman) Subject: Classmate Model 10 caller id box, and NeXT serial port deficiencies Message-ID: <1993Feb21.070043.8669@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Keywords: callerid,NeXT,serial,RS423 Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 07:00:43 GMT Has anyone ever managed to get the Classmate Model 10 Caller ID computer Interface to ever work with a NeXT computer. I have one of these boxes, it works grate with my Amiga, and a couple of machines at work. However, it does not work with the NeXT. Now before people start accusing me of not have the correct cables etc. I'll let you know that the cables I 'm using on the NeXT support FULL hardware flowcontrol and pass all the correct wires. In fact I use these cables everyday to do SLIP and various other things. And I've metered them out, so they check out ok there. As a matter of fact while looking into this problem I borrowed a HP protocol Analyzer from work. And what I found was missing from the next that the other computers had, was that the NeXT does not leave DCE to MARK when say kermit or getty open connections to a serial device. In fact basically it sets DTE to MARK, and when using hardware flowcontrol it sets RTS to SPACE, and of course it brought up DTR to SPACE, but unlike all the other computers I've used the next did not bring up DCE to MARK. It just left it at neutral, which I believe is causing my problem. So here are my questions: 1) Is this part of the RS423 standard? 2) Has anyone else ran into this before (BTW, it's the same on every NeXT I've tried.) 3) Has or can anyone come up with a reasonable work around.... You're help would be much appreciated.... Please send responses to thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca if I get a lot interest I'll post the results to the above groups... Many thanks in Advance... -Ch ris Thierman he NeXT support FULL hardware flowcontrol and pass all the correct wires. In fact I use these cables everyday to do SLIP and various other things. And I've metered them out, so they check out ok there. As a matter of fact while looking into this problem I borrowed a HP protocol Analyzer from work. And what I found was missing from the next that the other computers had, was that the NeXT does not leave DCE to MARK when say kermit or getty open connections to a serial device. In fact basically it sets DTE to MARK, and when using hardware flowcontrol it sets RTS to SPACE, and of course it brought up DTR to SPACE, but unlike all the other computers I've used the next did not bring up DCE to MARK. It just left it at neutral, which I believe is causing my problem. So here are my questions: 1) Is this part of the RS423 standard? 2) Has anyone else ran into this before (BTW, it's the same on every NeXT I've tried.) 3) Has or can anyone come up with a reasonable work around.... You're help would be much appreciated.... Please send responses to thierman@nordegg.ucs.ualberta.ca if I get a lot interest I'll post the results to the above groups... Many thanks in Advance... -Ch
From: begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rubricant Horticulturist) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Printer Problems... Summary: Smudges from the first roller. Keywords: Smudges, looks yucky Message-ID: <1m7iskINNapd@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: 21 Feb 93 09:43:48 GMT Article-I.D.: shelley.1m7iskINNapd Distribution: world Organization: Abstract Software We've been doing several double sided printing lately with our printer. When we run the top pages through everything looks fine. However, when we run the backsides through all but the first page gets smudged on the top edge of the page. We have discerned that the smudges come somewhere around the first roller that feeds the paper into the printer. We've cleaned everything that we can reach but that hasn't solved the problem. Anyone else have this kind of problem? Anyone have any suggested fixes? -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush, Public Relations Abstract Software e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee "Another one of the flock following the herd."
From: begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu (Sonja Jo K-B) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cancel <1m7iskINNapd@shelley.u.washington.edu> Message-ID: <1m7ke9INNcd9@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: 21 Feb 93 10:10:17 GMT Article-I.D.: shelley.1m7ke9INNcd9 References: <1m7iskINNapd@shelley.u.washington.edu> Control: cancel <1m7iskINNapd@shelley.u.washington.edu> Distribution: world Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Originator: begonia@hardy.u.washington.edu <1m7iskINNapd@shelley.u.washington.edu> was cancelled from within rn. -- Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush, Public Relations Abstract Software e-mail: begonia@abstractsoft.com NeXTmail accepted with glee "Another one of the flock following the herd."
From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Date: 21 Feb 1993 15:47:34 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1m886mINN8vu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Nice idea....:) They could make two boards, one smart and one dumb. The dumb one is just an interface as you suggested. Or, the smart one can just have a processor and some memory (costs more) but takes the load off the computer for printer servers and the like.... Two THumbs up for the gentleman with the doberman! :) CW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: siqi@macadam.com (Siqi Tan) Subject: NeXTCube 040 16/330 w optical Message-ID: <1993Feb21.012204.9822@macadam.com> Sender: siqi@macadam.com Organization: MACadam - NeXT Related Sales and Support Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 01:22:04 GMT I have the following system for sale: 1 NeXTCube 040 25MHz CPU with 16 MB RAM, 330MB Harddisk, 300MB Optical Drive with NeXTCube 030 Motherboard with 2 256 MB Optical Disks with OS - 3.0 on harddisk 1 MegaPixel Display 1 NeXT keyboard 1 NeXT mouse All the cables Starting point kit (ie manuels, etc) Asking Price: $3900 or Best offer If you are interested or wants to make me an offer you can e-mail at: siqi@macadam.com or at: siqi@ocf.berkeley.edu :)
From: agaidos@pcbcad.next.com (Anton Gaidos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Babying your NeXT... Message-ID: <6847@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 20 Feb 93 01:09:44 GMT References: <1993Feb14.025832.4530@socrates.umd.edu> Sender: news@NeXT.COM Distribution: all Don't panic!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Subject: 486 Box Suggestions? Message-ID: <1993Feb21.214624.29091@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 21:46:24 GMT I'm about to purchase a 486 box for home use and I am looking for suggestions on what to buy. I've read the FAQ and other stuff from NeXT on the supported hardware planned for the first release of NS486. I haven't used enough Intel stuff to determine whats the best performing products out there on the market. As we all know, the price for a fully configured 486 machine can exceed that of the late great Black Boxes. So I am looking for suggestions of hardware that still would be viable for use as a NS486 platform even if it isn't a screamer system. Perhaps a system in which I could upgrade the parts as time, money, support and frustation allowed. My general thought was to get a machine that was upgradable to Pentium and a SCSI controller to start with. Should I go with something with motherboard SVGA video or local bus? Anyone have any thoughts or opinions as to less expensive platforms to consider (any beta NS486 users)? -- Jerry S. Weiss "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the antimatter!" j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 486 variants Message-ID: <32.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 93 07:50:08 PDT References: <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: gary@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Gary Ritchie) > Message-ID: <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> > > - What are the pros and cons of the speed-doubling configurations; that > is, how does a 486DX-50 machine differ from a 486DX2-50? In general, with > everything else equal, which might be preferred for NS/Intel: a DX-50 or > a DX2-66? DX2-50 uses 25Mz on the mother board but doubles to 50 in the CPU itself. Thus CPU intensive stuff will see more improvement than data intensive stuff, since you do more at the higher clock rate. DX50 machines (less common) use 50Mz throughout. Similar for DX2-66 (33Mz board). I don't know how local bus and RAM cache fit in exactly. It depends on your processing mix, but DX-50 is supposedly faster than DX2-66 for some tasks. By the way, DX2 generate more heat for some reason, my DX2-50 heat sink is impressive! > - Is there a plan for DX-50 machines to be upgradeable to a DX2-100? I have heard of IBM working on a DX3-99 (3 X 33Mhz) so a DX2-100 seems plausible, but I haven't heard of one. > - How does the Pentium fit into all of this? Many 486 machines are now > advertised as being upgradeable to the Pentium. > - What are the general specs of the Pentium? Is it just a faster 486? > I've heard that programs will need to recompiled with a Pentium-specific > compiler to really take advantage of the chip. Why? Is there a new > instruction set that is faster than the 386/486 ops? Pentium (so named because a number-586-can't be trademarked) uses the same socket as 486, so you can just replace the chip. Internally Pentium uses more RISC and can pipeline instructions to boost throughput. Programs don't HAVE to be recompiled to run on Pentium, but the new compilers will optimize instruction order to best use the pipelining. I don't think there are any new instructions. > Gary Ritchie > gary@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Dual (or more) headed w/NS486 Date: 22 Feb 1993 00:24:25 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1m96fp$lgc@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <Feb.20.03.29.35.1993.3570@gandalf.rutgers.edu> In article <Feb.20.03.29.35.1993.3570@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: >jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) writes: >>The one thing I *REALLY* miss from my Mac past is the ability to have more >>than one monitor. I almost consider two monitors essential for getting >>work done in a timely fashion. One for editing/debugging and one for > >Well you can get a NeXTdimension and use it and your old mono monitor. >Or for the next guy with everything, get multiple next dimensions ;-) The subject line asked about multi-headed NS/Intel (NS/486), not the NeXTdimensions. I am also interested in this. If possible, I also want V- and H-syncs locked on the two or more video boards. Are there such local bus boards available? -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Survivability of 21" NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <1993Feb20.091533.1739@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works Distribution: ba Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 09:15:33 GMT I am wondering if I can leverage off of the 21" color monitor I have on my slab (in the far far future when I relegate my slab to uucp/print/file server!) Will it be possible to use the monitor with an Intel system (486, Pentium)? How flexible are these monitors with respect to slapping them onto other computers? (HP, J. Random Power PC, etc.) Is the monitor a "multisync" monitor? Thanks for any answers -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Organization: Penn State University Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1993 20:53:23 EST From: <BPM100@psuvm.psu.edu> Message-ID: <93052.205324BPM100@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: help needed with MAXTOR jumper settings Distribution: world I have a Maxtor 8380-S 330MB hard disk in my NeXT Cube. It has the factory-specified SCSI device number of 6. I wish to change its number to 0 or 1, so that I can use my CD-ROM drive. Anyone have the jumper information for changing the SCSI number on this drive? E-mail response much appreciated. Thanks, Brian [NeXTMAIL: moquin@metal.psu.edu]
From: ee161fay@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (David Kantowitz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NuBus Message-ID: <45399@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 22 Feb 93 01:56:10 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Has anyone out there been involved in building a NuBus card for the NeXT cube? (does the slab have an expansion port?) What is involved in doing this (is technical documentation available from NeXT, does is use a standard bus controller/interface chip)? How does the operating system see the bus? Any suggestions/answers would be appreciated. David K.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: aro@rocco.hanse.de (Alexander Rockel) Subject: How to attach Fujitsu M2624FA Message-ID: <1993Feb20.183854.2215@rocco.hanse.de> Keywords: Fujitsu, Harddisk, Problems Sender: aro@rocco.hanse.de Organization: Hanse Networking e.V. / NeXTFRIENDS Hamburg Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 18:38:54 GMT Sorry for this - I think this is not the first time this was asked on the net - but, anyway: What do you have to do to get a Fujitsu M2624FA Disk (520MB) to work inside a NeXTStation? Until now, I only get SCSI-errors. Thank you very much, Alex -- Alexander Rockel-------------------aro@rocco.hanse.de (NeXTMail welcome) +49-40-630 11 94 (voice), +49-40-632 60 61 (fax) Fritz-Flinte-Ring 92, D-2000 Hamburg 60, Germany
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Message-ID: <1993Feb22.051238.10071@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <1993Feb18.064330.3987@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> <1993Feb21.021350.842@doberman.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 05:12:38 GMT In article <1993Feb21.021350.842@doberman.com> doberman!mike@esunix.sim.es.com writes: > >Take a look at all of the cards (ISA and EISA) available for PCs. I >would tend to believe that one could be created with a NeXT Printer port. >The result? The same thing that we now have on our cubes and slabs. >PostScript still gets imaged in the host CPU and gets bit-blasted out to >the "dumb" printer by way of the printer-interface-board. > >OK, so who's the hardware whiz who's going to make and sell a few of >these? > I'd talk to LaserMaster. They have been marketing a similar device for 5 years or so. They hook to a dumb Canon engine and provide the same raster scan signals that the NeXT does. In fact, it may just be a matter of a cable and some small amount of circuitry to handle the power on/off. I'd be suprised if they would be willing to tool up for such a small market, though. Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Digital DSP3501 (I think) 1.2 gig HD problem Date: 22 Feb 1993 03:08:19 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1mac73INNc73@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Hi, I bought this thing last Thursday and installed it inside my NeXTStation 040 with no problems except that it has a high pitched hum that bugs me a great deal. It even makes my dog cry when she comes into the room. Anyway, since the drive works fine otherwise is this high pitch a characteristicof DEC's hard discs? It is supposed to be new but I remember a year ago when my Quantum drive developed such a sound I was told that the drive was going bad. So, is my Digital drive going bad or am I being paranoid? Also, could someone give me a reference to a public domain diagnostic app. so I can check on its specs to learn more? Thanks. maurices
From: hugo@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Hugo Desrosiers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Using 2 ND in a cube simultaneously. Keywords: NeXTdimension, video Message-ID: <1993Feb22.171620.283@IRO.UMontreal.CA> Date: 22 Feb 93 17:16:20 GMT Sender: news@IRO.UMontreal.CA Organization: Universite de Montreal Hi, I need to send two different video signals out from a cube. There are two ND in the cube, but I don't see how to speak to the second ND anywhere in the doc about the NXLiveVideoView. Anyone knows if: a) it is possible, b) how to do it. Please use hugo@IRO.UMontreal.ca as the return address. Thanks, Hugo DesRosiers.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: Dual (or more) headed w/NS486 Message-ID: <1993Feb22.082232.11738@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <C2pLns.1MM@ripple.uunet> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 08:22:32 GMT In article <C2pLns.1MM@ripple.uunet> uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) writes: > > I just realized that to the best of my knowledge nothing has been said > about supporting more than one video card with NSIntel. > > The one thing I *REALLY* miss from my Mac past is the ability to have more > than one monitor. I almost consider two monitors essential for getting > work done in a timely fashion. One for editing/debugging and one for > testing applications. As I remember, there is something in the BIOS/Hardware spec of the "PC" that says a PC can only drive 2 monitors by default (1 mono and 1 colour). BUT, I have seen specialist Super VGA cards, with Windows 3 drivers, that could drive more. Its something I'm looking forward to as well. I doubt drivers will be available right off the bat, but I'm sure they'll follow on. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: wrb@biostr.washington.edu (William Barker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Securing slabs Message-ID: <1mb952INN6ji@shelley.u.washington.edu> Date: 22 Feb 93 19:22:10 GMT Article-I.D.: shelley.1mb952INN6ji Organization: University of Washington Anybody have a good solution for bolting down slabs? Email or post, makes no difference. Thanks in advance, bb -- Bill Barker--Biological Structure--University of Washington--Seattle--WA--98195 (206) 543-7315
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Kirk W Goodwin) Subject: ZyXEL U1496 modems resaler's listing Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Feb23.014343.14210@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 01:43:43 GMT Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Prices for the ZyXEL U1496 modems: (I will also begin to add software programs to this list. Please forward such information to me. Thank you.) DISCLAIMER: I have NO affiliation with any of the following companies nor ZyXEL although I do believe that their modem is one of the finer available. ALSO, not all prices are necessarily current, nor is this the "definative" list of ZyXEL resalers. PLEASE email me any additions or corrections to kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu. PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION: Call around to some of the places and check about their "extra" charges and personal warranties. The lowest price doesn't necessarily mean the lowest cost. Company Phone Number U1496E U1496E+ U1496 U1496+ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ZyXEL List Prices 469.00 649.00 899.00 989.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sparco Computers (601)323-5360 289.00 Fax:(601)324-6433 Athena Microsystems Inc. (415)962-8686 299.00 399.00 Fax:(415)969-3361 Golden Everstar (714)594-4168 325.00 435.00 Magitek Computer (714)939-9220 325.00 485.00 SUNDOS Comm. (800)955-5000 329.00 479.00 529.00 699.00 28083 Langside Ave. Fax:(805)251-7679 Santa Clarita CA 91351 76470.1105@CompuServe.com Kandy Shack (800)638-1170 339.00 489.00 Eagle Computing (302)657-9303 345.00 CTS (615)966-3667 348.25 Boston Computers&Peripherals (617)551-0166 349.00 The Questor Project (604)682-6659 350.00 Black & White Software (802)496-5113 ???.?? HyTek Computers (206)456-7656 ???.?? HyTek@portal.cup.com (?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kirk Goodwin | * Thought of the Week * | kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu | | 41 W.Burlington 221| There's a fine line be- | kirk-goodwin@uiowa.edu | | Iowa City, Iowa | tween fishing and standing | Grad. Biomedical Eng. | | (319)-339-0299 | on the bank like a fool. | University of Iowa | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mjlepper@mtu.edu (Matthew J. Lepper) Subject: Re: Dual (or more) headed w/NS486 Message-ID: <1993Feb23.005940.20710@mtu.edu> Organization: Michigan Technological University References: <1993Feb22.082232.11738@xexos.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 00:59:40 GMT Mark Chamberlain (mark@xexos.com) wrote: : In article <C2pLns.1MM@ripple.uunet> uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) : writes: : > : > I just realized that to the best of my knowledge nothing has been said : > about supporting more than one video card with NSIntel. : > : > The one thing I *REALLY* miss from my Mac past is the ability to have more : > than one monitor. I almost consider two monitors essential for getting : > work done in a timely fashion. One for editing/debugging and one for : > testing applications. : As I remember, there is something in the BIOS/Hardware spec of the "PC" that : says a PC can only drive 2 monitors by default (1 mono and 1 colour). : BUT, I have seen specialist Super VGA cards, with Windows 3 drivers, that could : drive more. Its something I'm looking forward to as well.I doubt drivers will : be available right off the bat, but I'm sure they'll follow on. Well, I believe that this was due to the fact that the mono adaptor's memory was mapped to one location in memory 0xb8000, I belive, and the color adaptor was at 0xc0000, or something like that. Since EVERY color adaptor, and EVERY mono adaptor used these same addresses, only one of each could exist in a computer at the same time. If the video sub-systems that are necessary for NeXTSTEP allow their memory to be placed anywhere in the adress space, I see no reason why you couldn't have more than one monitor. As for the BIOS, all that's used for by a OS like NeXTSTEP is to start booting off the HD. All the code in the BIOS is written in standard (8086) code, so any attempt to use it means that the processor needs to return to standard mode, process the BIOS function, then resume protected mode operation (all of which is very messy, these sort of functions are provided by DPMI systems, which allow DOS programs to run in protected mode, and still have all the functionality (ha ha) of DOS) Matthew L. -- Matthew J. Lepper | The world is only what lies Michigan Technological University | within our perception. Internet: mjlepper@mtu.edu | --some really witty guy whose BITNET: mjlepper@MTUS5.BITNET | name I can't remember
From: dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How to attach Fujitsu M2624FA Keywords: Fujitsu, Harddisk, Problems Message-ID: <1mc79dINNkah@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 23 Feb 93 03:56:29 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1mc79dINNkah References: <1993Feb20.183854.2215@rocco.hanse.de> Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University > >What do you have to do to get a Fujitsu M2624FA Disk (520MB) to >work inside a NeXTStation? > Your problems are occuring because your drive is having problems with asynchronous transfer. I can't remember which it is supposed to be set on (asych or not) but you need to change that particular jumper. -- Dion Dock __ __ NeXT mail? working on it / ) / ) / dockd@storm.cs.orst.edu / / o ______ / / _____. /_ /__/_<_(_) / <_ /__/_(_) (__/ <_
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: Sounds &c. ... "DSP was a mistake", says Steve. Message-ID: <1993Feb23.032025.26801@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1lvfmj$b1a@agate.berkeley.edu> <yvd1Hbxopc@atlantis.psu.edu> <1993Feb18.231437.17662@imax.imax.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 03:20:25 GMT In article <1993Feb18.231437.17662@imax.imax.com> dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale) writes: ... >Any complicated audio processing is done on the host CPU, a MIPS R3000 >or R4000 (soon R4400). This gives you a machine that does faster >floating point than DSP's anyway, with megabytes of address space, >a decent C compiler, and an interactive debugger. Interface to the >audio hardware is through a library. The R4000 was never known for floating point performance, and when you consider that most FP DSPs can do an FP multiply and an FP accumulate every cycle (not to mention bit reversed address generation, full 0 wait state memory, etc...) it would be very unlikely that most RISC processors could compete with modern DSPs. Both the 9600x and TI320C{3,4}0 families offer megabytes to gigabytes of address space. Compilers tend to be poor, but the kinds of algorithms one uses on a DSP arent conducive to languages like C anyways. You code critical sections in assembly and the glue in C and youre off to track down race conditions :-> Paging systems and caching systems on general purpose processors will eat you alive with race conditions if youre anywhere near the hairy edge. Ive seen DSPs run at better than 99% processor utilization and 100% memory utilization and still be reliable hard real time - try that on an R4000 :-> >This way, when they design new hardware, they just have to make it support >the functions of the old hardware. No users care whether there is a >56001 or a DSP32 or just a gate array in there. Agreed. Unfortunately no one has tied down the integration issue. Is your prefered software really compatable with your "Bob's Soundbelcher" card and your friends "Bill's Soundtwister" card? I still dont have any sound input options on my Mac running A/UX. If its got to work everywhere, its got to be everywhere. >DSP's still have niches in dedicated products, where you want something >small and cheap and fast at doing certain signal-processing operations. >But given the speed of today's general-purpose processors, why would you >want a DSP in a workstation? There is a significant market for real-time data aquisition, analysis and display systems. A workstation provides a single, integrated package to build such systems on. With busses capable of 30-100MB/sec, large memory, rendering and storage capability they are ideal for many such applications. Should such a processor be part of the motherboard? Probably not, but that doesnt mean that DSPs are not useful for certain workstation applications, nor does it mean they are useful for general purpose workstation applications. Of course, NeXT's mission critical custom application focus is great for this type of market. > Dave -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (SYSTEM 0PERATOR) Subject: Needed! Digital Ears! Pronto! Message-ID: <aPHeZB2w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com (MadNuG BBS General Account) Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 01:23:09 GMT Howdy, Well, I am in the middle of finishing a film and I am doing all the Sound on my NeXT. I was going to call up and get myself a Digital Ears last night, but hey! NeXT Connection is _OUT_. Therefore, are there any kind souls out there looking to sell their Digital Ears? NeXTConnection was selling new ones for $499. <agh> Can anyone do better on a used one? Puh-lease drop me an e-mail or give me a call and I will be utterly thrilled. Thanks! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: cjs@po.CWRU.Edu (Christopher J. Seline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.bugs,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 3.0 Freezes at "Checking Files" Date: 23 Feb 1993 11:53:16 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Message-ID: <1md37cINNh3g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> My slab has frozen twice; it freezes several seconds into "checking disks"; the animated icon freezes, the harddrive stops making noise and I can not get it to go into the monitor. Any clues? (help) cjs@occs.cs.oberlin.edu thanks in advance!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) Subject: Re: 486 variants - It's all about GX I/O ? Message-ID: <1993Feb23.121650.2436@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH References: <32.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 12:16:50 GMT A guy at NeXT told me that only with local bus graphic cards such as the Dell JAWS and Wingine (Epson) you can get gx performance similar to a NeXTstation Turbo. I understand that for example the JAWS has a throughput of 30mb/sec. compared to Compaq's Qvision with 6mb/sec. -Florian -- Florian Gutzwiller Tel: +41 61 262 05 10, Fax: +41 61 262 05 10 Open Systems AG, Basel flog@Open.CH Switzerland S=gutzwiller;O=open;P=EUnet=A=EUnet;C=CH
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted Subject: ZyXEL modem info wanted Keywords: Zyxel, modem Message-ID: <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> Date: 22 Feb 93 17:55:37 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Distribution: usa Organization: Pencom Software People: I'm trying to purchase a ZyXEL 1496E modem and I've seen several posts for places where I can purchase the product from. However, I've had various difficulties with each of these places and would like to know if anybody out there can recommend another place (prices would be great too!). * MicroNet -- no contact information * GES Computers, Inc. 1088 Irvine Blvd. Tustin, CA 92680 (714)544-2968 fax (714)544-4685 I've had a difficult time getting a hold of their sales rep and the price keeps changing so.... Kandy Shack -- recommended by a friend but he can't find his receipt, so I have no way of contacting them! Software Plus -- their address is a PO box, which implies a one-person operation. Now, if you've had positive experiences with any of these vendors or another one or you have a used 1496E modem that you're trying to unload, please e-mail me. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 795-2000 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * ****************************
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: e-mail account: who's the best provider? Keywords: Genie, Compuserve, PSI, e-mail account Message-ID: <1993Feb22.204247.28469@pencom.com> Date: 22 Feb 93 20:42:47 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Distribution: usa Organization: Pencom Software Hello there: I'm considering getting an e-mail account for basic e-mail services (I dont' need NeXTMail and most of the messages should be fairly short) and would like to know if anyone can make recommendations on the following providers (+ is for pros and - is for cons): 1. Compuserve + $7.95 a month - $12.00 an hour - number for account name (such as 75225.411@compuserve.com) rather than a name (such as alex@pencom.com) 2. PSI + get your own domain - expensive: $75 hook-up and $25/month; after 3/31/1991, this will be $150 for hookup and $50/month 3. Genie -- I don't know anything about this one. 4. World + $5.00/month - $2.00 login charge - long distance call Please e-mail me with your recommendations. Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 795-2000 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * ****************************
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ZyXEL U1496 modems resaler's listing Message-ID: <ANDERSON.93Feb23090117@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> Date: 23 Feb 93 14:01:17 GMT References: <1993Feb23.014343.14210@news.uiowa.edu> Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University In-reply-to: kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu's message of 23 Feb 93 01:43:43 GMT I have a Neuron Fax1414 modem, which I understand is actually one of these ZyXEL modems in disguise. Can someone tell me (a) which ZyXEL model the Neuron is (more or less) equivalent to? and (b) where I can get updated ROMs for it, since the Neuron-supplied ROMs are fairly flakey when it comes to FAX receiving (roughly 40% of outside FAX machines can't connect to it). I gather I'll have to get NXFax software to replace Neuron's software if I replace the ROMs (what a tragedy that will be! :-) This has been discussed before, but I didn't keep copies when I should have. Apologies for wasted bandwidth. --Steve Anderson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: brisinda@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Dale Brisinda) Subject: 17" Color Trinitron Message-ID: <BRISINDA.93Feb22145218@fsc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Distribution: na Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1993 21:52:18 GMT Does anyone know if the latest NeXT Trinitron monitors can be used with a non-ADB NeXT Turbo Color Station? I was told there was a hardware dependency, but nothing specific. Thanks for any info. Dale --- Dale Brisinda dale@pegasus.cuc.ab.ca (NeXT Mail Welcome) brisinda@cpsc.ucalgary.ca
From: eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Eric Scott Boltz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SCSI Errors - Plea for help! Date: 23 Feb 1993 13:30:04 -0500 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mdqfcINN251@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> HELP! Seems as if I'm having some Major! SCSI troubles. I have a Fujitsu 2652SA hard disk mounted externally as sd1 and am getting the following on the console: sd1 (4,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:2 scsi_status:0x0 IO error on pageout: error=5 vnode_pageout:failed! When this happens, directories and files on the disk start disappearing and the whole system eventually has to be rebooted. This is a relatively new problem (couple days) and I've had the disk up and running just fine since December '92. If anyone has any ideas please send them! THANKS! Eric --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Ultrasonics & Materials Characterization) eboltz@cndenext.mrs.jhu.edu Materials Reliability Division eboltz@jhuvms.BITNET National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov 325 S. Broadway eboltz@granta.nist.gov Boulder, CO 80303 (NeXTMail accepted) (Ph.D. Candidate, Materials Science and Engineering, Johns Hopkins University) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: NeXT/Canon Color Printer supplies? Message-ID: <1993Feb23.194739.9108@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 19:47:39 GMT We've used up the demo paper that came with the printer, so it's time to order some more glossy paper. Our local academic NeXT reseller can supply the ink cartridges ($169/6 colors, $109/6 black), but doesn't have the paper. They do have some "clay-coated" paper they use with similar HP printers ($16.95/200 sheets). 1. Anyone know where to order the "official" coated paper? How expensive is it? 2. Anyone know if the above-mentioned "clay-coated" paper will work acceptably without harmful effects? -- Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: NeXTstation <-> MacPlus Message-ID: <1993Feb23.194458.11622@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 19:44:58 GMT I have a NeXTstation and MacPlus at home I wish to connect together. I understand 3.0 allows for Appletalk, but I would like to stick with 2.1. I have some experience with TCP/IP on the Mac, so I imagine I can connect them via serial ports. I'm pretty ignorant of the proper terms, but a slip line or something similar would be nice, and proably faster than appletalk anyways. The reason I want to connect them is: My mac has a 170 meg external drive (that won't fit inside the station) and I'm only using about 100 megs for the Mac, so I want to connect them so I can have another 70 megs available to the NeXT. I have thought about hooking the external up to the NeXT, then connecting the plus to it, so the NeXT would be the server, and boot the plus off a floppy, but I have 15 megs or so of fonts I'd like to be able to access (which have to be in the system folder of the mac when booted). Any suggestions? Email or posts are fine, either way. Thank you, JT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted From: kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Kirk W Goodwin) Subject: Re: ZyXEL modem info wanted Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Feb23.200305.29664@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 20:03:05 GMT Distribution: usa References: <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Keywords: Zyxel, modem alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) writes: >People: >I'm trying to purchase a ZyXEL 1496E modem and I've seen several posts for >places where I can purchase the product from. However, I've had various >difficulties with each of these places and would like to know if anybody out >there can recommend another place (prices would be great too!). >* MicroNet -- no contact information >* GES Computers, Inc. >1088 Irvine Blvd. >Tustin, CA 92680 >(714)544-2968 >fax (714)544-4685 >I've had a difficult time getting a hold of their sales rep and the price keeps >changing so.... >Kandy Shack -- recommended by a friend but he can't find his receipt, so I have >no way of contacting them! >Software Plus -- their address is a PO box, which implies a one-person >operation. >Now, if you've had positive experiences with any of these vendors or another >one or you have a used 1496E modem that you're trying to unload, please e-mail >me. Thanks in advance. Prices for the ZyXEL U1496 modems: (I will also begin to add software programs to this list. Please forward such information to me. Thank you.) DISCLAIMER: I have NO affiliation with any of the following companies nor ZyXEL although I do believe that their modem is one of the finer available. ALSO, not all prices are necessarily current, nor is this the "definative" list of ZyXEL resalers. PLEASE email me any additions or corrections to kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu. PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION: Call around to some of the places and check about their "extra" charges and personal warranties. The lowest price does not necessarily mean the lowest cost. Note: U1496 and U1496+ have been previously been called Company Phone Number U1496E U1496E+ U1496 U1496+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ZyXEL List Prices 469.00 649.00 899.00 989.00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sparco Computers (601)323-5360 289.00 Fax:(601)324-6433 Athena Microsystems Inc. (415)962-8686 299.00 399.00 Fax:(415)969-3361 Golden Everstar (714)594-4168 325.00 435.00 Magitek Computer (714)939-9220 325.00 485.00 SUNDOS Communications (800)955-5000 329.00 479.00 529.00 699.00 28083 Langside Ave. Fax:(805)251-7679 Santa Clarita CA 91351 76470.1105@CompuServe.com Kandy Shack (800)638-1170 339.00 489.00 Eagle Computing (302)657-9303 345.00 CTS (615)966-3667 348.25 Boston Computers&Peripherals (617)551-0166 349.00 The Questor Project (604)682-6659 350.00 Black & White Software (802)496-5113 ???.?? HyTek Computers (206)456-7656 ???.?? HyTek@portal.cup.com (?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kirk Goodwin | * Thought of the Week * | kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu | | 41 W.Burlington 221| There's a fine line be- | kirk-goodwin@uiowa.edu | | Iowa City, Iowa | tween fishing and standing | Grad. Biomedical Eng. | | (319)-339-0299 | on the bank like a fool. | University of Iowa | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: bleimeyp@wolf.mayo.edu (Paul Bleimeyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Alternative File servers Keywords: auspex, high performance Message-ID: <1993Feb23.195307.23567@bmw.mayo.edu> Date: 23 Feb 93 19:53:07 GMT Article-I.D.: bmw.1993Feb23.195307.23567 Sender: newsman@bmw.mayo.edu (Usenet News Administrator) Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus I am interested in hearing from people who have an Auspex File server in their business/company and how you are using it. IE. What front servers you are running against it, the number of ethernet adapters, scsi channels and disk space you have installed, what clients types access it and how, etc. We have recently begun to talk with server companies about heterogeneous environments and how to support multiple clients over their native protocols. Sincerely, Paul Bleimeyer Mayo Foundation Rochester, MN 55905 bleimeyp@mayo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted From: hogan@boetius (Kharim Hogan) Subject: Re: ZyXEL modem info wanted Message-ID: <1993Feb23.154921.14873@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> Keywords: Zyxel, modem Sender: news@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM References: <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 15:49:21 GMT In article <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> alex@pencom.com writes: >People: > >I'm trying to purchase a ZyXEL 1496E modem and I've seen several posts for >places where I can purchase the product from. However, I've had various >difficulties with each of these places and would like to know if anybody out >there can recommend another place (prices would be great too!). > >* MicroNet -- no contact information > >* GES Computers, Inc. >I've had a difficult time getting a hold of their sales rep and the price >keeps changing so.... > >Kandy Shack -- recommended by a friend but he can't find his receipt, so I >have no way of contacting them! > >Software Plus -- their address is a PO box, which implies a one-person >operation. > >Now, if you've had positive experiences with any of these vendors or another >one or you have a used 1496E modem that you're trying to unload, please >e-mail me. Thanks in advance. > > I bought mine from Black & White Software. They sell the U1496E in black or white bundled with their NXFax software for $600 and the U1496 for $800 (also with the fax software). NXFax is $135 so if you only want the modem, I think they just knock off the price of the software. I had absolutely no problems contacting them and dealing with them. A positive experience I'd say. I received the modem within a couple of weeks after I ordered it including the usual delay at the border. The guy to contact is Craig Goss. His email is: craig@bandw.com Hope this helps you! Kharim -- ************************************************************************* Kharim M. Hogan Systems Administrator hogan@music.mcgill.ca Faculty of Music, McGill University *************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Subject: Re: WHERE IN SAM HILL is a STATEMENT? Message-ID: <C2x72J.Iw4@oceania.com> Sender: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems References: <1993Feb16.232227.29085@wam.umd.edu> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 21:15:52 GMT L. Anathea Brooks writes > Come on, NeXT! Where's a statement telling us hardware owners > (the ones who kept you alive up to now, aside from > investors, who wouldn't have invested if we hadn't bought) > what you're going to DO with us?? > > NeXTSTEP 4.0?? Anything?? > Hello? Anyone home? > According to Steve Jobs - at a recent NeXT User's group meeting (BaNG) - This is the deal: 3.1 Will come out for 486 by NeXTExpo. 3.1 For Motorolla will be out in Summer/Fall this year. According to Jobs (If I heard this right) he claims they will continue support for the Motorolla hardware in future versions. He claimed that the "installed base" was roughly 50,000. (He kept saying "That's a lot of people".) I assume hardware will be supported for a long while as well. Jobs mentioned they were talking with Motorolla to make sure this happened smoothly. [Another article posted says "Black" hardware will be supported for five more years.] Later, John -- John Robison - john@oceania.com NeXTMail Gladly Accepted What I say has absolutely nothing to do with my employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: finger@convex.com (Jay Finger) Subject: Re: Dual (or more) headed w/NS486 Message-ID: <1993Feb23.235654.21420@convex.com> Sender: usenet@convex.com (news access account) Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA References: <1993Feb22.082232.11738@xexos.com> <1993Feb23.005940.20710@mtu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 23:56:54 GMT Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of CONVEX. >As for the BIOS, all that's used for by a OS like NeXTSTEP is to start >booting off the HD. All the code in the BIOS is written in standard (8086) >code, so any attempt to use it means that the processor needs to return >to standard mode, process the BIOS function, then resume protected mode >operation (all of which is very messy, these sort of functions are provided >by DPMI systems, which allow DOS programs to run in protected mode, and >still have all the functionality (ha ha) of DOS) The reason the BIOS isn't used by multi-tasking OS's is that the BIOS is not re-entrant (so you just CAN'T multi-task with it). This assumes in the first place that the BIOS has all the features you need in a real OS, which it doesn't. jay -- =============================================================================== Jay Finger - finger@convex.com | Convex Computer Corp CONVEX System Integration and Support | 3000 Waterview Parkway Product Specialist | Richardson, TX 75080
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Re: Dual (or more) headed w/NS486 Message-ID: <C2wrsG.MD@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Feb23.005940.20710@mtu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 15:45:50 GMT In article <1993Feb23.005940.20710@mtu.edu> mjlepper@mtu.edu (Matthew J. Lepper) writes: > Well, I believe that this was due to the fact that the mono adaptor's memory > was mapped to one location in memory 0xb8000, I belive, and the color > adaptor was at 0xc0000, or something like that. Since EVERY color adaptor, > and EVERY mono adaptor used these same addresses, only one of each could > exist in a computer at the same time. If the video sub-systems that are > necessary for NeXTSTEP allow their memory to be placed anywhere in the > adress space, I see no reason why you couldn't have more than one monitor. > > Matthew L. > -- > Matthew J. Lepper | The world is only what lies > Michigan Technological University | within our perception. > Internet: mjlepper@mtu.edu | --some really witty guy whose > BITNET: mjlepper@MTUS5.BITNET | name I can't remember Ok I see that, I have been away from PC's for like 5 years and have forgotten all the quirks. How does the display machanism work? (I almost got out my dusty 80x86 assembler books... then decided I had real work to do) How easy would it be to bypass, it almost sounds like it would require hardware modification. That does not sound cool. Sounds like that unless No Technology (NT) supports it, it will not happen. Dirk Fromhein Watershed Technologies uunet!ripple!df
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: Toshiba MK538FB 1.2Gb drive help, please Message-ID: <1993Feb24.012713.29974@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <1m6miiINN710@clem.handheld.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 01:27:13 GMT Thanks to all those who answered. Turns out the 32 meg of SIMMS installed at the same time were the problem. Swapped them out for 8 meg of PC parity ram, turned parity on to be 'sure', and all works fine, now. Jim
From: Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Date: 24 Feb 1993 02:21:51 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <1mem3vINN44q@morrow.stanford.edu> Does anyone have experience with using an AppleCD 300 CDROM drive with a NeXT? I'm interested in it due to its performance and the multisession PhotoCD capability. (And due to it's price through our University bookstore. :-) Thanks for any information, - Christopher <Lane@CAMIS.Stanford.EDU>
From: bear@mozart.aero.ufl.EDU (Cedric Bhihe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted Subject: Re: ZyXEL modem info wanted Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.wanted Date: 24 Feb 1993 02:51:45 GMT Organization: University of Florida College of Engineering Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1mens1INNhte@bigguy.eng.ufl.edu> References: <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> Keywords: Zyxel, modem In article <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com>, alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) writes: |> |> I'm trying to purchase a ZyXEL 1496E modem and I've seen several posts for |> places where I can purchase the product from. However, I've had various |> difficulties with each of these places and would like to know if anybody out |> there can recommend another place (prices would be great too!). |> |> * GES Computers, Inc. |> 1088 Irvine Blvd. |> Tustin, CA 92680 |> (714)544-2968 |> fax (714)544-4685 |> I've had a difficult time getting a hold of their sales rep and the price keeps |> changing so.... |> |> Kandy Shack -- recommended by a friend but he can't find his receipt, so I have |> no way of contacting them! |> |> |> Now, if you've had positive experiences with any of these vendors or another |> one or you have a used 1496E modem that you're trying to unload, please e-mail |> me. ------ SAME HERE !! ------ Does anybody knows whether the Zyxel 1496E includes the "Quiet Answer" and "Caller ID" feature of the Supra faxmodem ROM v 1.2J. Also is the 1496E+ compatible with Macintoshes ? And how good is this obscure Zfax faxing software which can be bundled with the Zyxel ? Cedric Bhihe ............................. bear@mozart.aero.ufl.edu Department of Aerospace Engineering, Mechanics & Engineering Science University of Florida - 231 Aerospace Building . Tel. (904) 392-7164 Gainesville, FL 32611-2031 ..................... Fax. (904) 392-7303
From: antoine@arrakis.osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Which powerbook to use with a slab? Message-ID: <1993Feb24.022927.1475@cerberus.ulaval.ca> Date: 24 Feb 93 02:29:27 GMT Sender: news@cerberus.ulaval.ca Organization: Universite Laval Hi world, I am considering getting a Powerbook to use on the road, and keep the slab at the office. I will be running principally Textures and some editor, and a modem to talk to the slab from faraway sunny places; any suggestion as to which powerbook will do? anything to watch for? Disk size, batteries, ect... Thks! -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Antoine Gautier | | Departement OSD, FSA | | Universite Laval, Quebec, PQ | +-------------------------------------------------------+
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From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ZyXEL modem: summary of experiences Keywords: modem, ZyXEL Message-ID: <1993Feb23.191421.18232@pencom.com> Date: 23 Feb 93 19:14:21 GMT Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Distribution: usa Organization: Pencom Software People: I originally posted the follwing article: In article <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> you write: >People: > >I'm trying to purchase a ZyXEL 1496E modem and I've seen several posts for >places where I can purchase the product from. However, I've had various >difficulties with each of these places and would like to know if anybody out >there can recommend another place (prices would be great too!). > >* MicroNet -- no contact information > >* GES Computers, Inc. >1088 Irvine Blvd. >Tustin, CA 92680 >(714)544-2968 >fax (714)544-4685 >I've had a difficult time getting a hold of their sales rep and the price keeps >changing so.... > >Kandy Shack -- recommended by a friend but he can't find his receipt, so I have >no way of contacting them! > >Software Plus -- their address is a PO box, which implies a one-person >operation. > >Now, if you've had positive experiences with any of these vendors or another >one or you have a used 1496E modem that you're trying to unload, please e-mail >me. Thanks in advance. > > Here are some replies that I got. I contacted Sparco and they do indeed have the modem for $289 + 7 for UPS ground (the cheapest I had seen before this was GES Services, which was $365). If you want to purchase it COD with FedEx, it comes out to $309 total. Their address is quite strange. Sparco Computers P.O Box 4887 MS State, MS 39762-4887 Ph: (601) 323-5360 Hope this helps..... Best regards, Alex Duong Nghiem Phone: (512) 795-2000 Pencom Software Fax: (512) 343-9650 9050 Capital of TX Hwy N. Mail: alex@pencom.com Suite 300 Mail: co-Xist_support@pencom.com Austin, TX 78759 Mail: co-Xist_info@pencom.com USA **************************** * NeXTMail gladly accepted * **************************** =========================================================================== Try Sparco. Note, I have nothing related to him. Except that, it is the lowest price I have seen so far. Priced at US$289. For details, please follow comp.dcom.modems. --Eric Mubashir A. Cheema Sparco Computers Ph: (601) 323-5360 -- ***************************************--- Grad. student ---* * Obviousness is always the enemy of * \ Jui-Lin Lu (Eric) / * * correctness. -- Bertrand Russell * / jlu@cs.umr.edu \ * ***************************************--- Univ. of Missouri-Rolla ---* =========================================================================== Hi, I bought mine from Black & White Software. They sell the U1496E in black or white bundled with their NXFax software for $600 and the U1496 for $800 (also with the fax software). NXFax is $135 so if you only want the modem, I think they just knock off the price of the software. I had absolutely no problems contacting them and dealing with them. A positive experience I'd say. I received the modem within a couple of weeks after I ordered it including the usual delay at the border. The guy to contact is Craig Goss. His email is: craig@bandw.com Hope this helps you! Kharim ============================================================================= I got my ZyXEL from MACADAM in San Francisco. I did not have a good time. I originally ordered it on tuesday, for thursday delivery. When thursday rolled around, nothing. I called in and they said they forgot. I ordered again, specifying once again a number of time that I needed the NeXT HW flow control cable, *NOT* the MAC cable. They sent me MAC fax software and a MAC cable (though I didn't know it at the time). So I pounded on my head for several days trying to get the damn thing to work. I realized they sent me the wrong cable, and they *did* send out a replacement overnight, without charge, though they did charge me $15 more overall than they quoted. I wasn't too impressed, altogether. - Scott Wisdom wisdom@geom.umn.edu ============================================================================= Here is a summary: 1. What is NXFax? It is software that enables you to use the zyxel modem as a fax modem. Some say that the NeXT does not come with drivers that work for the zyxel. One big advantage with NXFax is that it arbitrates the incoming or outgoing calls so that you can use it for dialing up and faxing w/out tweaking the option via the printmanager. I have the DoveFax modem, and that is exactly what you have to do at the moment. Some say that the next does come with all the drivers necessary to run the modem. But the implication is that you'd have to use print manager to switch between fax and data service. Also, it appears that the next FaxDaemon loses incoming faxes. This is reportedly a bug in 3.0. 2. The ZyXEL modem types: 1496e - LED lights | cheapest 1496e+ | V 1496+ | V 1496s - LCD display with menus and things.| most expensive I can only vouch for the 'e' and 's' models since I've received a brochure from B&W software about them. As far as bundling, B&W offers at least two packages, bundling NXFax with either the 'e' or 's' models. The 'e' model bundle is $600, the 's' model bundle is $850. I believe that this includes the cable and everything necessary to plug and play. There are no educational discounts from B&W. George Soules from bandw.com (george@bandw.com) reports that "Most importantly, the S supports 4-wire leased lines." 3. Where to get the stuff: You can try george@bandw.com for the bundled packages as described above. You can also try to buy the modem and NXFax separately: bandw.com: modem + NXFax: $600 or $850 as above modem: available from MicroNet $350 available from SoftwarePlus $425, contact: 1-817-387-NeXT (info and international orders) 1-800-ALL-NeXT (orders only) NXFax: from B&W software (try george@bandw.com) for $135 NOTES: It appears that getting the modem and NXFax separately comes out cheaper, but you might not necessarily get the cable with that, and from all the responses I got, you get the BLACK modem only from B&W. Other sources will get you the white version. =========================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe) Subject: Re: NeXT/Canon Color Printer supplies? Message-ID: <1993Feb24.054512.1745@Happy-Man.com> Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 References: <1993Feb23.194739.9108@cs.yale.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 05:45:12 GMT In <1993Feb23.194739.9108@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >We've used up the demo paper that came with the printer, so it's time to >order some more glossy paper. >They do have some "clay-coated" paper they use with >similar HP printers ($16.95/200 sheets). >2. Anyone know if the above-mentioned "clay-coated" paper will work >acceptably without harmful effects? Clay is what coated paper is coated with. It's probably the same stuff, or extremely similar. The price, even for the HP stuff, seems totally ridiculous. If there's much demand for the stuff, not just Nathan, I'll check into it, so let me know. I suspect it might be possible to sell _500_ sheets for $25 or less, delivered, but I'm not sure. For what it's worth, if you don't use cheap copy paper but rather a decent grade of lithographic printing paper, uncoated paper isn't all that bad in these printers. It's not as good, but it's much better than you'd believe, if all you've seen is what the printer does to ordinary copier paper. -- Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com Happy Man Corp. 206/463-9399 x101 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399 fax x108 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor. NextMail OK Info free; sample $20. Send POSTAL addrs: Solid-Value@Happy-Man.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Seagate Elite-3 Message-ID: <1993Feb24.025859.22056@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 02:58:59 GMT Due to a recent crash and burn of a Wren-8, I'm installing an Elite-3 tomorrow and need some advice. This is such a large capacity device (~3.5 GB unformatted, I think) that I figure there must be some "gotchas" out there. Perhaps someone who has experience with a drive this large could offer some advice.... 1) what are the pros and cons of leaving this configured as one partition (assuming this is possible) versus breaking it up into 2 or 3 partitions? 2) this will be attached to a NeXTstation color with a 400 MB internal drive. Is it worthwhile moving the swapfile over to the Elite to get better swapping performance (or at least avoid "swap panics" when there isn't enough free space left)? 3) will 3.0 initialize this drive optimally without intervention, or will I need to supply some special information? Any words of wisdom, or early warning of potential problems with a disk of this size would be appreciated. John Bartley john@wpa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.wanted From: timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) Subject: Re: ZyXEL modem info wanted Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 09:11:21 GMT Message-ID: <timm.730545081@zaphod> Distribution: usa References: <1993Feb22.175537.25476@pencom.com> <1993Feb23.200305.29664@news.uiowa.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: Zyxel, modem Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Kirk W Goodwin) writes: >Company Phone Number U1496E U1496E+ U1496 U1496+ >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >ZyXEL List Prices 469.00 649.00 899.00 989.00 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Magitek Computer (714)939-9220 325.00 485.00 This one may or may not be right, as I just bought one not too long ago (2 months?) and I asked if it was $325 as I had read on the internet once before and they said, no, $345, which is what I paid, but otherwise, no real complaints. Got it very quickly. Oh, and it's Magictek Computer, Inc. -- Tim McClarren | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks." timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu| (217)244-0015 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cdapor@iiic.ethz.ch (Carlo Dapor) Subject: dx/50, dx2/66 and localbus... Message-ID: <1993Feb24.085101.5730@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Originator: cdapor@c12 Keywords: intel, next, dx50 Sender: news@neptune.inf.ethz.ch (Mr News) Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 08:51:01 GMT Hello people, well...the dx2/66 is generally faster than a dx50 (landmark is higher), but it depends on what you want to do. E.g localbus: localbus speed depends on the Mhz the cpu has on the motherboard. That means: a dx50 as a really faster LB than the dx266. A dx266 can move around 120MB/sec...that is fast enough for all you connect into localbus slots. A dx 50 could do around 180 or even more MB/sec on localbus...really fast. If you are lloking forward to buy a local bus PC, look for VESA LB, other LB are proprietary and only usefull with the hardware/drivers the manufacturer gives u along. Currently, LB is used mostly for graphics (at 120MB/sec, you theoretically can use totally 'dumb' video- cards...means no coproz or even ram on the board...) well...that's what I know cu Philippe PS: all Intel haters...: grow up :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Subject: Slab power on? Message-ID: <OTTO.93Feb23192556@tukki.jyu.fi> Sender: otto@jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company Distribution: comp Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 17:25:56 GMT If my slab loses power for some reason (let's say I trip on the extension cord) I'll have to go over to machine after reattaching the power and press the power key. How is it set to permanently be "on" (unless explicitly powered off) so that it powers up when power is applied to it? -- /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ /* Mail: Kauppakatu 1B18/SF-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N25.44E */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Flame: NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE Keywords: BLACK..HEAVY..METAL - NO ROCK, CUBE!! Message-ID: <1993Feb24.120938@di.epfl.ch> Date: 24 Feb 93 11:09:38 GMT References: <1993Feb17.200203.7458@boba.rhein-main.de> Sender: news@disuns2.epfl.ch Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne In article <1993Feb17.200203.7458@boba.rhein-main.de>, borris@boba.rhein-main.de (Borris Balzer) writes: > > Now it's official: NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE! They will port their famous stuff to > 486 PC's. > [...] > (who's very happy with NeXT's hardware!) Good. Now SGI can build a nice sturdy yuppie-looking black cube with great 3D ^^^^^^ graphics and everybody (*) is going to be happy (**). (*) If Symbolics ported Genera to the new 64-bit MIPS chips, then it would REALLY be everybody. (**) QuintProcessor-like for SGI? -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab "There is only one Language Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and McCarthy is its prophet" matomira@di.epfl.ch FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Disclaimer: disclaim([],[]). disclaim([H|T],[DH,DT]) :- fixed_point_disclaimer(H,DH), disclaim(T,DT). fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,_)).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org (Peter Nitezki) Subject: Re: 486 Box Suggestions? Message-ID: <1993Feb23.171945.2899@nidat.sub.org> Sender: nitezki@nidat.sub.org Organization: private site of Peter Nitezki, Kraichtal, Germany References: <1993Feb21.214624.29091@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 17:19:45 GMT In article <1993Feb21.214624.29091@news.acns.nwu.edu> jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > I'm about to purchase a 486 box for home use and I am looking for > suggestions on what to buy. I've read the FAQ and other stuff from NeXT > on the supported hardware planned for the first release of NS486. > I haven't used enough Intel stuff to determine whats the best performing > products out there on the market. > > As we all know, the price for a fully configured 486 machine can exceed > that of the late great Black Boxes. > > So I am looking for suggestions of hardware that still would be viable > for use as a NS486 platform even if it isn't a screamer system. Perhaps > a system in which I could upgrade the parts as time, money, support and > frustation allowed. My general thought was to get a machine that was > upgradable to Pentium and a SCSI controller to start with. Should I go > with something with motherboard SVGA video or local bus? > > Anyone have any thoughts or opinions as to less expensive platforms to > consider (any beta NS486 users)? > -- > Jerry S. Weiss "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the antimatter!" > j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School If you're not not interested in the somewhat nasty prctice of - ahm...- 'code sharing' that is common practice in the PC world (Yeah; Steve will learn about it as he is heading to let the genie out of the "black" bottle) you will best buy it bundled from DELL or Compac. As far as I learned NeXTstep 486 won't be a retail item, so you will have to buy your 'starter kit' from some of those companies anyway. ;-) If you really want to jump head first into the _how_to_cofigure_the_ best_PC battle you're up to as many oppinions as people you ask. You will need a good load of memory and a fine cache. You will need EISA or LocalBus with a fast video coontroller and a quite big SCSI disk. Most of the rest is optional and the question of support or not can only be answered on a item by item base. NeXT dealerships should have a list of supported components. -- Peter Nitezki | Nitezki@NiDat.sub.org # Blessed thou who knoweth Staarenbergstr. 44 | Tel.: +49 7251 62495 # not about the pleasure and D-7527 Kraichtal 2 | Fax : +49 7251 69215 # delight of being hooked GERMANY | # up to the Net. Peter 1,3-5
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: volker@abulafia.in-berlin.de (Volker Safran) Subject: Re: How to attach Fujitsu M2624FA Message-ID: <1993Feb23.202640.1586@abulafia.in-berlin.de> Sender: volker@abulafia.in-berlin.de Organization: Volker Safran, Interprint, Berlin, Germany References: <1mc79dINNkah@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1993 20:26:40 GMT In article <1mc79dINNkah@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) writes: > > > >What do you have to do to get a Fujitsu M2624FA Disk (520MB) to > >work inside a NeXTStation? > > > > Your problems are occuring because your drive is having problems with > asynchronous transfer. I can't remember which it is supposed to be set on > (asych or not) but you need to change that particular jumper. > It is jumper 15/16, which is the 5th from the right side in the large, 12 jumper row, where, I think, the third one is open as default. CIAO Volker -- ************************************************************ * Volker Safran, FB20, TU Berlin, PHONE: +49 30 4542303 * * volker@abulafia.in-berlin.de (NeXTMail very welcome)* * safran@fb3-s7.math.TU-Berlin.DE (no NeXTMail, sorry) * ************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: crath@bnr.ca (Christopher Rath) Subject: Re: How to attach Fujitsu M2624FA In-Reply-To: dockd@storm.CS.ORST.EDU's message of 23 Feb 93 03:56:29 GMT Message-ID: <CRATH.93Feb24084629@bcarh20d.bnr.ca> Sender: usenet@bcars6a8.bnr.ca (Use Net) Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada References: <1993Feb20.183854.2215@rocco.hanse.de> <1mc79dINNkah@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 13:46:29 GMT I picked this off the net some time ago: > Article 868 of comp.sys.next.hardware: > Xref: bmerh85 comp.periphs.scsi:4224 comp.sys.next.hardware:868 > Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.next.hardware > Path: bmerh85!bnrgate!nrcnet0!cunews!torn!utcsri!rpi!think.com!sdd.hp.com!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!void!timm > From: timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) > Subject: Fujitsu M2624A in NeXTstation (how-to & question) > Message-ID: <timm.710034274@void> > Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) > Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1992 23:44:34 GMT > Lines: 47 > > Well, I recently acquired a Fujitsu M2624A 520M drive to > put inside my NeXTstation. After much experimentation, > I've finally gotten it to work. For those interested, > there is a Fujitsu "recipe" available on the archives, > but it does not specifically mention this drive, and I did > not attempt to install it using those instructions. > > Specifically, Fujitsu makes this drive in both "A" and "B" > versions, and as the recipe will tell you, the A versions > are pre-formatted at 512 bytes/sector, the B versions are > pre-formatted at 1K/sector. If you're buying new, buy the > B version (the recipe talks about installing the drive and > doing a low-level format to convert A drives to B drives). > > In any case, here are the jumper settings I'm working with now > (these probably apply only to the M2624): > > CNH1 1-2 Open (not sure if this is important) > CNH1 3-4 Open (SCSI-2) > CNH1 5-6 Open (Diagnostics execute) > CNH1 7-8 Open (execute all commands) > CNH1 9-10 Short (retry count of RESELECTION phase unlimited) > CNH1 11-12 Short (N/A) > CNH1 13-14 Short (SCSI bus parity enabled) > CNH1 15-16 Open (Synchronous mode data transfer request)* > CNH1 17-18 Short (LED on when drive is active) > CNH1 19-20 Short (Motor start / start when power is turned on) > > CNH7 1-6 .. (SCSI ID select) > CNH7 7-8 Short (Write protect disabled) > > * this is, obviously, the important one...if you don't disable it > you'll get lots os SCSI errors with an error message of "1" > > Incidentally, this particular drive I haven't had any problems with, > but it is running VERY, VERY hot (the casing is all metal), and it > will scald your hand if you touch it. This doesn't seem normal to me. > Can anyone else comment on this? Is something wrong with the drive, > should I have it checked out? Please respond via e-mail as I've cross > posted this to comp.periphs.scsi which I don't regularly read (I figured > you guys are probably the experts about such things though). > > > -- > Tim McClarren | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks." > timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu| > (217)244-0015 | > Christopher -- Christopher Rath | crath@bnr.ca BNR Lab 5 | Ottawa, ON, Canada | "Hydrogen is a colourless, odourless gas which, given (613) 765-3141 | enough time, turns into people." -- Henry Hiebert
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) Subject: Re: Flame: NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE In-Reply-To: matomira@di.epfl.ch's message of 24 Feb 93 11:09:38 GMT Message-ID: <FISCHER.93Feb24190821@solsort.iesd.auc.dk> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: news@iesd.auc.dk (UseNet News) Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University References: <1993Feb17.200203.7458@boba.rhein-main.de> <1993Feb24.120938@di.epfl.ch> Date: 24 Feb 93 18:08:21 GMT >>>>> "Fernando" == Fernando Mato Mira (matomira@di.epfl.ch) Fernando> (*) If Symbolics ported Genera to the new 64-bit MIPS chips, Fernando> then it would REALLY be everybody. I'm afraid that Symbolics will not be porting anything anywhere for the time being. /Lars -- Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things. -- Calvin
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert David Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ZyXEL U1496 modems resaler's listing Message-ID: <1mfsha$49f@steffi.demon.co.uk> Date: 24 Feb 93 13:17:30 GMT References: <1993Feb23.014343.14210@news.uiowa.edu> Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Kirk W Goodwin (kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu) wrote: : Prices for the ZyXEL U1496 modems: (I will also begin to add software programs : to this list. Please forward such information to me. Thank you.) : : DISCLAIMER: I have NO affiliation with any of the following companies nor : ZyXEL although I do believe that their modem is one of the finer available. : ALSO, not all prices are necessarily current, nor is this the "definative" : list of ZyXEL resalers. PLEASE email me any additions or corrections to : kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu. : PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION: Call around to some of the places and check about : their "extra" charges and personal warranties. The lowest price doesn't : necessarily mean the lowest cost. : : : Company Phone Number U1496E U1496E+ U1496 U1496+ : ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- : ZyXEL List Prices 469.00 649.00 899.00 989.00 : ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Sparco Computers (601)323-5360 289.00 : Fax:(601)324-6433 : Athena Microsystems Inc. (415)962-8686 299.00 399.00 : Fax:(415)969-3361 : Golden Everstar (714)594-4168 325.00 435.00 : Magitek Computer (714)939-9220 325.00 485.00 : SUNDOS Comm. (800)955-5000 329.00 479.00 529.00 699.00 : 28083 Langside Ave. Fax:(805)251-7679 : Santa Clarita CA 91351 : 76470.1105@CompuServe.com : Kandy Shack (800)638-1170 339.00 489.00 : Eagle Computing (302)657-9303 345.00 : CTS (615)966-3667 348.25 : Boston Computers&Peripherals (617)551-0166 349.00 : The Questor Project (604)682-6659 350.00 : Black & White Software (802)496-5113 ???.?? : HyTek Computers (206)456-7656 ???.?? : HyTek@portal.cup.com (?) : ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- : -- : +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ : | Kirk Goodwin | * Thought of the Week * | kgoodwin@icaen.uiowa.edu | : | 41 W.Burlington 221| There's a fine line be- | kirk-goodwin@uiowa.edu | : | Iowa City, Iowa | tween fishing and standing | Grad. Biomedical Eng. | : | (319)-339-0299 | on the bank like a fool. | University of Iowa | : +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ MacAdam in SanFransisco also sell Zyxel 1496E's for a very good price Phone 415 863 6222
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: honor@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Honor) Subject: Color printer recommendation request Message-ID: <1993Feb24.205055.27980@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 20:50:55 GMT Greetings! Well I would like to move deeper into the age of color. (I recently upgraded to an NSC.) Can anyone recommend a color printer, say in the $1000 ball park? What are the basic advantages/disadvantages between ink jet and wax transfer? Lastly, I would prefer easy connectivity to my NeXT. Post Script is not a necessity. Thanks for any advise, Alex ___________________________________________________________ email--->honor@george.arc.nasa.gov (NO NeXT mail please.) or ahonor@netcom.netcom.com
From: al194843@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Edoardo Keyvan Perez Izadi) Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computers,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: ok.. I wanna buy a Next computer..what's your offer? Date: 24 Feb 93 21:25:58 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <al194843.730589158@academ01> Hi everyone! I'm looking for any Next computer.. The price you will give me needs to be with shipping to Laredo, Texas. I want to hear your selling offers sincerly yours Edoardo Keyvan Perez Izadi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: austin@june.cs.washington.edu (Austin Dahl) Subject: CD-ROM compaitiblity list Message-ID: <AUSTIN.93Feb24140432@june.cs.washington.edu> Sender: news@beaver.cs.washington.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Department of Computer Science & Engineering, University of Washington, Seattle Date: 24 Feb 93 14:04:32 I thought I saw a list go by a few weeks ago, but I must not have saved it. Does anyone have a list of which CD-ROM drives work with the NeXT? Has anyone ever tried some of the cheaper models like the NEC CDR-25 or E-Machines EMCAC Metro? Thanks, Austin Dahl
From: mb108@cs.city.ac.uk (omo Adelakun Toyin K) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: NeXTStation purchase Date: 25 Feb 1993 00:28:27 -0000 Organization: Computer Science Dept, City University, London Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mh3rbINNjv5@fred.cs.city.ac.uk> Hi all, I'm buying an ex-demo NeXTStation from a dealer, and want to know what I should expect to come with the box. Any guidance, especially re hardcopy manuals etc? Many thanx, Toyin.
From: jeffz@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (JeffZ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT --> NEC CD Drive? Message-ID: <cJ5HZB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> Date: 25 Feb 93 00:29:11 GMT Sender: news@cybernet.cse.fau.edu Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida WHat are the chances of getting a NEC CD drive to work with a NeXT? How can I tell what drives might be compatible? I would buy a NeXT, but I can get a little NEC CDR-36 for reeeeeeally cheap. The speed of it doesn't bother me, but will it bother my NeXT? Jeff jeffz@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mike@doberman.com (Mike Panzitta) Subject: Re: Which powerbook to use with a slab? Message-ID: <1993Feb25.050718.7953@doberman.com> Organization: Doberman Systems References: <1993Feb24.022927.1475@cerberus.ulaval.ca> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 05:07:18 GMT Funny you should mention this, as I am posting this from a PowerBook 170 to my NeXTcube (I am in Orlando, the NeXT is in Utah). The 170 is OK, but I would recommend the 180; the screen is MUCH better, and both have built-in 9600bps modems. I'd still rather have a laptop NeXT, but... Good luck! -Mike -- Mike Panzitta Doberman Systems mike@doberman.com (NeXT Mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bpja@codex.com.au (Brett Adam) Subject: FAX MODEMS IN AUSTRALIA Message-ID: <1993Feb25.011637.990@codex.oz.au> Sender: bpja@codex.oz.au Organization: Codex Software Development Pty Ltd Date: Thu, 25 Feb 93 01:16:37 GMT We're trying to find a fax modem that works with our (and our customers) NeXT systems. Trouble is, due to local regulations, we have to use an Austel Approved modem. Not that many US brands are approved. The modems I've been testing claim Class 2 support (pre March 1992 Class 2 spec ratification however) and for whatever reason, the NeXT has varying degrees of trouble talking with them. In particular, the best we can acheive is that the modem dials, connects and then immediately hangs up the line. Does anyone have any insights into the realities of NeXT's Class 2 fax support, and does anyone have any alternative fax drivers that may be more 'generic' than the Interfax and HSD drivers supplied? We own a DoveFax and have tried it's drivers as well, to no avail. (We can't use the DoveFax here legitimately due to aforementioned approvals) Any help appreciated. NeXT is great, but we've got people wondering how true the advertised fax support really is ... Regards, Brett Adam -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Brett Adam Xedoc Software Development Pty. Ltd. Melbourne, Australia Phone : +61 3 696 2490 Fax : +61 3 696 6757 Internet : (NeXTMail welcome) bpja@xedoc.com.au AppleLink: AUST0335 Postal : PO Box 293, Albert Park 3206, Victoria, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Brett Adam Xedoc Software Development Pty. Ltd. Melbourne, Australia Phone : +61 3 696 2490
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: A4422DAE@vm.univie.ac.at (Konrad Neuwirth) Subject: NEC CD ROM Drives. Message-ID: <1993Feb25.094712.4446@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at> Sender: news@newssrv.edvz.univie.ac.at (News System - Vienna University) Organization: University of Vienna Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 09:45:07 GMT I've been happily using my NEC CD ROM Drive (a 74M) with my NeXT for a couple of weeks now, so I do not see why the 36 (the little cousin) shouldn't work with the Next. The only problem I have is that the drive will not cooperate with CD Audio. Apart from that, everything works. //konrad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Turbo wanted--better late than never... Message-ID: <1993Feb24.214943.4275@nic.csu.net> From: jenniwoo@homer.sfsu.edu (Jennifer Woodward) Date: 24 Feb 93 21:49:42 PST Ok, I want one too. I'd like to buy ideally a turbo with color monitor, 21" preferred. I might go for B&W instead. 400+MB HD. I might be able to use just an 040 board instead or as well... not sure yet... Please respond to jenniwoo@futon.sfsu.edu Thanks Jennifer Woodward
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman) Subject: Sticky Mouseball Message-ID: <1993Feb25.111803.18776@stc.nato.int> Sender: usenet@stc.nato.int (USENET messages) Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 11:18:03 GMT My mouse (model N4000A Part 193, about one year old, serial # AAF 1426973) is not working properly. The mouseball seems to stick and the wheels look a bit worn out. Is this a common problem? Should I replace the wheels? thanks -- Ton Koelman e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!) SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD The Hague The Netherlands (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)
From: mb108@cs.city.ac.uk (omo Adelakun Toyin K) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: 3rd-party ODs on NeXTs Date: 25 Feb 1993 11:09:01 -0000 Organization: Computer Science Dept, City University, London Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mi9cdINNmpt@fred.cs.city.ac.uk> There was discussion some time ago about the use of IBM magneto-optical disks on NeXT boxes. Anyone know or recall what the verdict was? Thanx++, Toyin (toyin@aixssc.ibm.co.uk)
From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Power on problem after power off Message-ID: <KARTHY.93Feb25004408@dannug.dannug.dk> Date: 24 Feb 93 23:44:08 GMT Sender: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Distribution: comp Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group Hi I have a problem with my slab (non-turbo mono 040): When I power the machine off after it has been running for a few days, I can't power it up again. When I hit the power key the screen turns on but there is no picture. The harddisk also spins up and the fan runs, but the computer it self dont. Until now I have solved the problem by removing the battery, discharge it for a few seconds, and the mount it again - then it will power up as usual. The battery is normaly a 3.0V Nicd, but when I meassure the voltage, it says up to 4.3V - is that normal?? Has anyone discovered the same problem and perhaps found a better solution? Thanks in advance, Karsten. -- Karsten Thygesen I Aalborg, Denmark karthy@dannug.dk (NeXT-Mail welcome) I Voice: +45 98 12 42 59 President, Danish NeXT Users Group I Fax: +45 98 12 44 81
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Keyboard pinouts... Message-ID: <C2zI3u.E1@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 03:09:30 GMT Does anyone have the pinouts of the NeXT keyboard? I looked in the manual, but they are the only ones not given. Thanks Dirk Fromhein uunet!ripple!jaeger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: was:Keyboard pinouts---- I meant mouse pinouts... Message-ID: <C2zIrx.K8@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 03:23:57 GMT Does anyone have the pinouts for the mouse port? I have a diagram for connecting the Logitech mouseman, but I do not know what Xa, Xb, Ya, Yb are. Could they be when the mouse moves right Xa goes high, when left Xb goes high, etc? I guess I could get my logic probes out, but... seems simpler to ask :) Derek uunet!ripple!jaeger
Control: cancel <OTTO.93Feb23192556@tukki.jyu.fi> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Subject: cancel <OTTO.93Feb23192556@tukki.jyu.fi> Message-ID: <OTTO.93Feb25164334@tukki.jyu.fi> Sender: otto@jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company Distribution: comp Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 14:43:34 GMT -- /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ /* Mail: Kauppakatu 1B18/SF-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N25.44E */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Subject: Re: Slab power on? In-Reply-To: otto@tukki.jyu.fi's message of Tue, 23 Feb 1993 17: 25:56 GMT Message-ID: <OTTO.93Feb25164456@tukki.jyu.fi> Sender: otto@jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company References: <OTTO.93Feb23192556@tukki.jyu.fi> Distribution: comp Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 14:44:56 GMT The solution to my previous query is that there is an option under preferences to handle this. -- /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ /* Mail: Kauppakatu 1B18/SF-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N25.44E */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mikhe@ida.liu.se (Mike Henry) Subject: Re: Slab power on? Message-ID: <1993Feb25.131908.23163@ida.liu.se> Sender: news@ida.liu.se Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden References: <OTTO.93Feb23192556@tukki.jyu.fi> Distribution: comp Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 13:19:08 GMT otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes: >the power key. How is it set to permanently be "on" (unless explicitly >powered off) so that it powers up when power is applied to it? Login as root and look under the Power Button in Prefences. I'll say no more... B^) -Mike -- Mike Henry INET : mikhe@ida.liu.se /// August Wahlstromsv. 4 /// S-182 31 Danderyd \\\/// SWEDEN TEL : +46 8 755-8687 \XX/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cozza@phage.cshl.org (Steven Cozza) Subject: Turbo Upgrade for Colorstation Message-ID: <C30s0C.DGr@phage.cshl.org> Keywords: Turbo, upgrade Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 19:40:59 GMT Does anybody know around how much and upgrade from a 25MHz Colorstation to a Turbo will cost, and if the memory can be carried over? Will the upgrades still be offered in the future, will there be a better upgrade? Are there any rumors about the cost of the Turbo upgrade going up or down in the future? I am considering getting the upgrade what with the recent news, but am not sure if it will be worth doing. I am concerned that my money may be better spent on a totally new system, unless the cost of the upgrade is reasonably inexpensive. Thanks for your help. Steve -- ## Steven Cozza | Internet: cozza@cshl.org ## ## Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory | Phone: (516) 367-8864 ## ## Box 100, 1 Bungtown Road | FAX: (516) 367-8461 ## ## Cold Spring Harbor, NY 11724-2213 | ##
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Date: 25 Feb 1993 20:19:46 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Message-ID: <1mj9l2INNpdu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1mem3vINN44q@morrow.stanford.edu> A resounding YES! The Apple CD150 works flawlessly with NeXT hardware. I have done several NS3.0 installations from our AppleCD150 with no problem. Just make sure you have the proper cable and terminator from NeXT. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alex Currier | Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | Place suitably humerous mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | quotation here. alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu (NeXTmail only) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Re: Turbo wanted--better late than never... References: <1993Feb24.214943.4275@nic.csu.net> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 18:21:39 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Feb25.182139.4929@tkymail.sps.mot.com> Jennifer Woodward writes Ok, I want one too. I'd like to buy ideally a turbo with color monitor, 21" preferred. I too am looking. Any selling? Michael Shaler mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com. I too am looking. Any
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ben@fizz.fdn.org (Benoit Grange) Subject: Re: 400 dpi printer not a good deal.... Message-ID: <1993Feb24.221118.6544@fizz.fdn.org> Sender: ben@fizz.fdn.org (Benoit Grange) References: <C2n2JI.6B8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1993 22:11:18 GMT In article <C2n2JI.6B8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes: > I think this is a good point, one worth considering should > the upcoming Intel machine (or any other machine to which > NeXTSTEP is ported) not have the NeXT printer port. I > don't have any inside scoop on what will happen to the > NLP or the printer port in upcoming hardware, but I can > offer an idea I had about this issue. I put this idea > out before, but perhaps it would be a good time to post > it again--A nifty couple of attachments someone more > hardware inclined than I could build could be: > > (1) A NeXT printer port <--> thin/thick Ethernet port > > (2) A NeXT printer port <--> serial port/centronics parallel port > Never forget that the NeXT printer port is nomething very particular. The signal send to the printer is nearly a 'video' signal. It is in synch with the laser beam on the drum, pulsing to produce the requested drawing. That's why you need more circuitry than for a dummy bitmap printer. You can not send simply data, you need to store it (around 2 Mb) and to be able to output it at the regular rate needed. What I would suggest is : keep a cube or a station to serve the printer. You do not even need a monitor per printer server (just keep one around). Unix lpd can easily be configured to print from a other workstation to your print server. If the printer or the station fails : give up an be ready to buy a new Laserwriter 630 or HP 4 which connects directly on Ethernet and will provide around the same speed and a little better quality. -- ---- Benoit Grange - PARIS - FRANCE Mail to : ben@fizz.fdn.org (SMALL NeXTMails accepted, < 10kb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Subject: Re: was: Keyboard pinouts---- I meant mouse pinouts... Message-ID: <1993Feb25.213424.23662@chiton.ucsd.edu> Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego References: <C2zIrx.K8@ripple.uunet> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1993 21:34:24 GMT In article <C2zIrx.K8@ripple.uunet> uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) writes: > >Does anyone have the pinouts for the mouse port? > >I have a diagram for connecting the Logitech mouseman, but I do not know what >Xa, Xb, Ya, Yb are. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From NeXTanswers: mouse pinout hardware Q: What are the specs for the connection from the mouse to the keyboard? A: Looking at the end of the mouse cable, with the NeXT logo face down, the pins appear on the 8pin mini-din as follows: 6 7 8 3 4 5 1 2 The signals are as follows: 1 +5V supply 2 XA 3 XB 4 YA 5 YB 6 Right Button 7 Left Button 8 Ground shell Chassis Ground QA478 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Xa and Xb are TTL logic-level quadrature signals which together encode the motion in the X-direction. Similarly for Ya and Yb. If you are looking for a trackball, the Amiga also runs its mouse on TTL quadrature signals, and an Amiga trackball works very well. If you are looking for another mouse, and can find some antiquated Digital Equipment stuff, the old DEC rectangular mouse works too. carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu clowenstein@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 486 variants Message-ID: <1993Feb26.112022.769@otago.ac.nz> From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson), University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Date: 26 Feb 93 11:20:21 +1300 References: <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> In article <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> writes: > After two years of ignoring Intel hardware to work on the NeXT, I've > fallen behind on 486/Pentium developments. Could someone who is up on > these things give a overview; it would probably benefit a lot of NeXT > user's who are going to have to start knowing such stuff. Specifically: > > - What are the pros and cons of the speed-doubling configurations; that > is, how does a 486DX-50 machine differ from a 486DX2-50? The question of clock doubling is an interesting one. The answer depends very much on what you are doing. The doubled clock speed gives you more raw processing power, but as soon as the chip has to access memory, things slow down. This isn't usually a problem though, you get around 70-80% performance increase over the straight DX. In general, with > everything else equal, which might be preferred for NS/Intel: a DX-50 or > a DX2-66? > Definitely the DX2-66. You may be interested to know that the 68040 is also a clock doubler, they just don't use ot as a big selling feature. To give you some idea of the importance of clock doubling/trebling, both DEC's Alpha and HP's PA-RISC use it, and they scream. > - Is there a plan for DX-50 machines to be upgradeable to a DX2-100? Good question, no-one really knows. It has been suggested that it would be too difficult using the fabrication technology used in the 486. > - How does the Pentium fit into all of this? Many 486 machines are now > advertised as being upgradeable to the Pentium. This is done via an 'OverDrive' socket, an extra socket on the motherboard that takes over from the 486 when another processor goes in it. The other processor may or may not still be used. > > - What are the general specs of the Pentium? Is it just a faster 486? > I've heard that programs will need to recompiled with a Pentium-specific > compiler to really take advantage of the chip. Why? Is there a new > instruction set that is faster than the 386/486 ops? Rumour has it that the Pentium is basically a RISC chip that happens to execute a CISC instruction set. More registers, 64 bit(???), probably a clock speed (external) of 40-50 MHz, doubled internally. They have currently got real heat problems, that's why the Pentium test programme has been put back by six months. (It is rumourd that you not only need a large heat-sink on the chip, but a fairly large fan mounted on it as well!) Given the fact that Intel are using new fabrication techniques, the Pentium should be a real screamer. Not in the league of an Alpha or PA-RISC but certainly competitive with things like SGI/MIPS R4000/4400. The main problem it may have is keeping compatibility with the older chips, i.e. an 8086 real (nightmare) mode, a virtual (also a nightmare) 8086 mode, as well as its native protected (sort of pleasent dream) mode. The amount of silicon that has to be wasted to put all this on the chip is horrific! The best thing they could have done (may have done!) is to dump real mode (after all, who would run MS-DOS on a Pentium - I suspect many, may be people with lots of money and little brain 8-) ========================================================================== ===== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 University of Otago, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 Department of Computer Science, | e-mail alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | NeXTmail Welcome
From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 486 variants Message-ID: <1993Feb26.010606.28633@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: 26 Feb 93 01:06:06 GMT References: <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1993Feb26.112022.769@otago.ac.nz> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada In article <1993Feb26.112022.769@otago.ac.nz> alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz, University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand (Alastair Thomson) writes: >stair Thomson) > >In article <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> writes: >> After two years of ignoring Intel hardware to work on the NeXT, I've >> fallen behind on 486/Pentium developments. Could someone who is up on >> these things give a overview; it would probably benefit a lot of NeXT >> user's who are going to have to start knowing such stuff. Specifically: >> >> - What are the pros and cons of the speed-doubling configurations; that >> is, how does a 486DX-50 machine differ from a 486DX2-50? > >The question of clock doubling is an interesting one. The answer depends >very much on what you are doing. The doubled clock speed gives you more >raw processing power, but as soon as the chip has to access memory, things >slow down. This isn't usually a problem though, you get around 70-80% >performance increase over the straight DX. Ok PLEASE SOMEONE DEFINE THESE TERMS: Is a DX-50 50MHz internal & external? Is a DX2-50 50MHz internal, & 25 MHz external? Or is it 50MHz external and 100MHz internal??? If the DX2-50 is actually a clock doubled 25MHz machine, then how does it get to be 70-80% faster than the DX system???????????? PC stuff is making my head spin!!!!!!!!! - darcy
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: comp.sys.next.hardware - ironic group name Date: 25 Feb 1993 23:01:42 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <1mk4n6INNgte@access.digex.com> References: <C2C841.24q@ny.shl.com> <1lr1e2$e1f@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> In article <1lr1e2$e1f@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> byrne@cstore-next.cl.msu.edu (Eric J. Byrne) writes: >In article <C2C841.24q@ny.shl.com> nwc (Nick Christopher) writes: >> >> This groups name is a bit ironic now :-) > >Why? Did your NeXT machine disappear on February 10th? Mine didn't. Its's >still here and it still runs. Even still makes that little whine in the disk >drive, which I believe, is why this group is still valuable... Right.... too many of you are acting as if your hardware suddenly became obsolete! This happens every time your favorite computer company announces "the latest fastest box." Everybody starts wringing their hands over what they're going to do now... "gosh... my box isn't as fast as Andrew's so it must be obsolete!" Sheesh.... NeXT not being in the hardware business doesn't necessarily mean you can't get NeXT hardware and even if you can't this is only a problem for the unhip few who haven't already purchased their machines :-) - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Flame: NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE Keywords: BLACK..HEAVY..METAL - NO ROCK, CUBE!! Message-ID: <1993Feb26.043323.18309@netcom.com> Date: 26 Feb 93 04:33:23 GMT Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Feb26.043323.18309 References: <1993Feb17.200203.7458@boba.rhein-main.de> <1993Feb24.120938@di.epfl.ch> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: >(*) If Symbolics ported Genera to the new 64-bit MIPS chips, then it would REALLY > be everybody. It's too late. Symbolics went bankrupt last week. John Nagle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: 486 variants Message-ID: <1993Feb26.040804.8384@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1993Feb26.112022.769@otago.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 04:08:04 GMT In article <1993Feb26.112022.769@otago.ac.nz> alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson), University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand writes: >In article <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> writes: >> everything else equal, which might be preferred for NS/Intel: a DX-50 >or >> a DX2-66? >> > >Definitely the DX2-66. You may be interested to know that the 68040 is >also a clock doubler, they just don't use ot as a big selling feature. The 68040 isnt a clock doubler the way its defined for the Intel part. The ALU on the 68040 cycles in the same time as its external bus cycle. The ALU (and everything else inside as long as youre coming off the internal cache) on the 80486DX2 runs in half the time as its external bus cycle. You can play with DTACK* or whatever sync lines the higher end 680x0 chips use to run 16MHz external cycles, but that doesnt really count. >To give you some idea of the importance of clock doubling/trebling, both >DEC's Alpha and HP's PA-RISC use it, and they scream. At those speeds its hard to do anything else.. Getting 5ns cycle times on an nGB memory array to feed a 200MHz processor is kind of rough :-> >> - What are the general specs of the Pentium? Is it just a faster 486? >> I've heard that programs will need to recompiled with a Pentium-specific >> compiler to really take advantage of the chip. Why? Is there a new >> instruction set that is faster than the 386/486 ops? > >Rumour has it that the Pentium is basically a RISC chip that happens to >execute a CISC instruction set. More registers, 64 bit(???), probably a >clock speed (external) of 40-50 MHz, doubled internally. They have >currently got real heat problems, that's why the Pentium test programme >has been put back by six months. (It is rumourd that you not only need a >large heat-sink on the chip, but a fairly large fan mounted on it as >well!) Most publications about the Pentium indicate that it will use a 64-bit external bus, and use two integer cores for gaining superscalar performance. I vaguely recall an article in Electronic Design which indicated the data path from the instruction cache to the instruction decode unit to be 256-bits wide. The actual integer units and register sets will be 32-bit. Intel was hoping to see 66MHz parts, with the ALUs and external bus both running at 66MHz. >Given the fact that Intel are using new fabrication techniques, the >Pentium should be a real screamer. Not in the league of an Alpha or >PA-RISC but certainly competitive with things like SGI/MIPS R4000/4400. >The main problem it may have is keeping compatibility with the older >chips, i.e. an 8086 real (nightmare) mode, a virtual (also a nightmare) >8086 mode, as well as its native protected (sort of pleasent dream) mode. >The amount of silicon that has to be wasted to put all this on the chip is >horrific! The best thing they could have done (may have done!) is to dump >real mode (after all, who would run MS-DOS on a Pentium - I suspect many, >may be people with lots of money and little brain 8-) I would be suprised if the Pentium turned out to be faster than the R4000, and the R4400 is a vast improvement over the R4000. SGI had some R4400 announcements a few weeks ago, so itll probably be out before the Pentium. Im told Intel originally said that the Pentium would ship before the R4000 :-> The people without the money for all new software and retraining are the ones who will be running DOS on a Pentium system. It should be able to thrash overlays through extended memory quite nicely. It would be like buying $6000 of NeXT software and then having to move to Windows NT. Its often cheaper to replace the box than the software. > >========================================================================== >===== > | >Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 >University of Otago, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 >Department of Computer Science, | e-mail alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz >P.O. Box 56 | NeXTmail Welcome -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
From: upbundal@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Pred Bundalo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Networking NeXTStation and 486 PC (UNIX or DV/X or NCSA Telnet) Date: 25 Feb 1993 23:04:34 -0600 Organization: Educational Computing Network Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mk8d2$3q@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> I just bought a used NeXTstation and would like to network it to my 486 PC (running Linux--a BSD clone--or Desqview/X or NCSA Telnet). My questions are: o Is it as simple as cabling the two up (thin) and somehow configuring NetInfo? o If so, can you give me some hints on using NetInfo this way? I'd like to set up the NeXTStation to handle all network mail and files for the ri.com domain via UUCP (another, matter?), which is what the PC currently does. I want to set up the PC as a host under the ri.com domain. Regards, Pred Bundalo
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Black HD Cases, Good, Cheap, Where? Message-ID: <Feb.26.01.52.45.1993.16059@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 26 Feb 93 06:52:45 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi, Can anyone tell me where I can get a black HD case (as small as possible for a Full hight 5.25" HD)? Also, where can I get a 128 meg or 256 meg 3.5" NeXT compatible OD (in a small black case)? I would greatly appreciate this info and will summarize and post my findings. Thank you in advance. (Oh, Im interested in nice quality, not just spray paint, I can do that me self ;) later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: sholder@cse.uta.edu (Shane Andrew Holder) Subject: Fax/Modems for NeXT, What works? Message-ID: <1993Feb26.000010.18084@news.uta.edu> Sender: news@news.uta.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 00:00:10 GMT I have been debating on whether or not to get a fax for my NeXT and decided that it is almost a necessity. What I would like to know is what is out there that is plug and play. I have a Telebit T1600 modem hooked up, and plan on eventually getting the latest and greatest ZyXEL, but I don't have the $800 to drop on it yet. All I want is a cheap Group 3 fax, I don't care about it's modem capabilities. I just looked in the CompUSA catalog and they have a 96/24 for $100, but I don't want to throw the money in the toilet. Any advice/experience would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Shane Holder sholder@cse.uta.edu -- Shane Holder sholder@cse.uta.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rick@indeed.stanford.edu (Rick Stanley Francis) Subject: Re: 486 variants Message-ID: <1993Feb26.073937.3542@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Feb26.010606.28633@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 07:39:37 GMT In article <1993Feb26.010606.28633@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > Ok PLEASE SOMEONE DEFINE THESE TERMS: > > Is a DX-50 50MHz internal & external? > Is a DX2-50 50MHz internal, & 25 MHz external? Or is it 50MHz external > and 100MHz internal??? > > If the DX2-50 is actually a clock doubled 25MHz machine, then > how does it get to be 70-80% faster than the DX system???????????? > > PC stuff is making my head spin!!!!!!!!! Whenever you see a DX2 it means that it is clock doubled, intel of course is not going to mention the slower speed, so a DX2-50 is a clock doubled 25MHz machine, while a DX-50 is a true 50Mhz (CPU and Bus). I believe that he means that the DX2-50 is ~70% faster then a DX-25. I would not advise getting anything slower then 33Mhz if you want to run NeXTStep on it. Also you will want a 486DX rather then 486SX the difference is that the SX has its math co-processor disabled, which is a bad thing for display postscript. If you think that the processors are bad, just wait till you look at the various busses (ISA, EISA, VESA, MCA), display options (VGA, Super VGA, XGA etc. etc.), even with the same standard there is a great difference in actual performance depending on the actual card. Although since NeXT is only supporting certain configurations your choices are limited.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) Subject: How fast is a 486 box running NS? Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 09:20:49 GMT Message-ID: <timm.730718449@zaphod> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana How fast compared to the present hardware will a 486 (let's say 50Mhz, non-doubled, whatever that translates to in peecee-lingo, with some moderately decent graphics architecture and EISA) running NeXTSTEP be? I don't need numbers, I'm just curious which machine it will most likely match, ie, Color Station or Turbo, or better than both. -- Tim McClarren | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks." timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu| (217)244-0015 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Message-ID: <C3268q.6C9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Sender: news@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (USENET News) Organization: Purdue University References: <1mj9l2INNpdu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 13:46:01 GMT In article <1mj9l2INNpdu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > > A resounding YES! The Apple CD150 works flawlessly with NeXT hardware. I > have done several NS3.0 installations from our AppleCD150 with no problem. > Just make sure you have the proper cable and terminator from NeXT. > Have you ever gotten an AppleCD 150 to play music? -- Jon Haveman ,_~o Krannert School of Mgmt _-\_<, Purdue University jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (*)/'(*) W. Lafayette, IN 47907-1310 (317) 497-3527 (Home) (317) 494-6156 (Office)
From: matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Flame: NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE Message-ID: <1993Feb26.142529@di.epfl.ch> Date: 26 Feb 93 13:25:29 GMT References: <1993Feb17.200203.7458@boba.rhein-main.de> <FISCHER.93Feb24190821@solsort.iesd.auc.dk> Sender: news@disuns2.epfl.ch Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne In article <FISCHER.93Feb24190821@solsort.iesd.auc.dk>, fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes: > > I'm afraid that Symbolics will not be porting anything anywhere for > the time being. > Check comp.lang.lisp -- Fernando D. Mato Mira Computer Graphics Lab "There is only one Language Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and McCarthy is its prophet" matomira@di.epfl.ch FAX : +41 (21) 693 - 5328 Disclaimer: disclaim([],[]). disclaim([H|T],[DH,DT]) :- fixed_point_disclaimer(H,DH), disclaim(T,DT). fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,fixed_point_disclaimer(Text,_)).
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 13:03:01 EST From: <HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Message-ID: <93057.130302HARRAPR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Simms: NeXT vrs Sparc.... Hello NeXTUniverse.... Does anyone out there who has used/maintained a Sparc 1 (gasp!) know if they use the same 1 Meg simms that the cube/ station mono use? I have some NeXT simms and know someone who has a Sparc but knows nothing about hardware. Before I waste my time reading StUN technical manuals I thought I'd ask...... Rob Harrap Geological Sciences Queen's University Kingston, Ont Harrapr@qucdn.queensu.ca
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Date: 26 Feb 1993 22:44:38 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Message-ID: <1mm6gmINN8tp@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1mj9l2INNpdu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <C3268q.6C9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> In article <C3268q.6C9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: >Have you ever gotten an AppleCD 150 to play music? On a NeXT? Absolutely not. For the life of me I couldn't get the CD control program to function. It does work when attached to a Mac (and it doesn't sound all that bad either). -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alex Currier | Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | Place suitably humerous mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | quotation here. alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu (NeXTmail only) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wkwong@columbia.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Message-ID: <1993Feb27.014926.5404@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering References: <1mj9l2INNpdu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <C3268q.6C9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1mm6gmINN8tp@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 01:49:26 GMT In article <1mm6gmINN8tp@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: >In article <C3268q.6C9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jon@mercury.mgmt.purdue.edu (Jon Haveman) writes: > >>Have you ever gotten an AppleCD 150 to play music? > > >On a NeXT? Absolutely not. For the life of me I couldn't get the CD >control program to function. It does work when attached to a Mac (and it >doesn't sound all that bad either). Wait a minute!! I have it running on my NeXT.......... Although, sometimes I need to restart the program...... > > > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Alex Currier | >Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | Place suitably humerous >mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | quotation here. >alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu (NeXTmail only) | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pyrros@ulysses.att.com (Christos T. Pyrros) Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Message-ID: <1993Feb27.064014.114@ulysses.att.com> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 06:40:14 GMT References: <1mem3vINN44q@morrow.stanford.edu> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill In article <1mem3vINN44q@morrow.stanford.edu> Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU writes: > Does anyone have experience with using an AppleCD 300 CDROM drive with a NeXT? > I'm interested in it due to its performance and the multisession PhotoCD > capability. (And due to it's price through our University bookstore. :-) > > Thanks for any information, > > - Christopher <Lane@CAMIS.Stanford.EDU> It works! Works with ISO 9660, Rockridge, HFS, and CDPlayer.app. Eject from the Workspace also works. Has anyone been able to get the CD-300 to read audio CD data over the SCSI bus like it's supposed to? Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Message-ID: <1993Feb27.102756.10525@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Feb27.064014.114@ulysses.att.com> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 93 10:27:56 GMT In article <1993Feb27.064014.114@ulysses.att.com> pyrros@ulysses.att.com (Christos T. Pyrros) writes: > Has anyone been able to get the CD-300 to read audio CD data over the SCSI > bus like it's supposed to? Has anyone actually even received an Apple CD-300 drive?? I was told 3-4 weeks about 2 months ago. The sales guy obviously didn't know what he was talking about. -Avery
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Date: 27 Feb 1993 10:32:44 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Message-ID: <1mng0cINNqcs@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <C3268q.6C9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <1mm6gmINN8tp@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1993Feb27.014926.5404@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> In article <1993Feb27.014926.5404@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> wkwong@columbia.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong) writes: >>On a NeXT? Absolutely not. For the life of me I couldn't get the CD >>control program to function. >Wait a minute!! I have it running on my NeXT.......... You then, sir, are a better man than I. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alex Currier | Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | Place suitably humerous mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | quotation here. alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu (NeXTmail only) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 486 variants Date: 27 Feb 1993 08:25:53 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <1mnq51INNigs@access.digex.com> References: <1993Feb20.195236.10800@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1993Feb26.112022.769@otago.ac.nz> <1993Feb26.040804.8384@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> >The people without the money for all new software and retraining are the >ones who will be running DOS on a Pentium system. It should be able to >thrash overlays through extended memory quite nicely. It would be like >buying $6000 of NeXT software and then having to move to Windows NT. Its >often cheaper to replace the box than the software. ... or the training. Of course had these same folks invested in a Macintosh they would come out better in the long-run because they wouldn't be laying out extra money for upgrades or re-training. The Mac is intuitive. DOS just wallows in it's own evil ecretions. - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ZyXEL U1496 modems resaler's listing Date: 27 Feb 1993 16:39:57 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1mo5gtINN9la@ni.umd.edu> References: <1993Feb23.014343.14210@news.uiowa.edu> <ANDERSON.93Feb23090117@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> In article <ANDERSON.93Feb23090117@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) writes: >I have a Neuron Fax1414 modem, which I understand is actually one of >these ZyXEL modems in disguise. Can someone tell me (a) which ZyXEL >model the Neuron is (more or less) equivalent to? The Neuron FAX1414 modem is a ZyXEL 1496E modem in disguise. (Note: NOT the recently produced 1496E+ with a faster CPU and more DSP capacity). >(b) where I can >get updated ROMs for it, since the Neuron-supplied ROMs are fairly >flakey when it comes to FAX receiving (roughly 40% of outside FAX >machines can't connect to it). You can get new ROMs a couple of ways. First, if you have access to an EPROM programmer, just call the ZyXEL BBS at 714-693-0762 and download the images. Note that unless you do a minor hardware upgrade (which involves adding some pins on the EPROM sockets), you'll only be able to use the RK50?.U2[45] files. These are for the 512Kbit EPROMs. By adding two machine pin sockets to each ROM socket, you can use the 1Mbit EPROMs and the corresponding RM50?.U2[45] files. The larger versions include the voice mail and some other features. I believe that ZyXEL USA will do the hardware upgrade and supply new EPROMs for a modest price. You can even get a black ZyXEL front cover plate to replace the Neuron one! Give them a call at 714-693-0804. >I gather I'll have to get NXFax >software to replace Neuron's software if I replace the ROMs (what a >tragedy that will be! :-) NXFax works great on these modems. The latest version in beta testing should support the distinctive ring feature of the modems; handy if you have a second "FAX" phone number on your telephone line with its associated distinctive ringing pattern. You might also inquire of the NXFax folks about the latest EPROMs; you might be able to get them from there as well. 802-496-8500 or nxfax@bandw.com This is from my experience with a Neuron FAX1414 modem. I did the ROM socket upgrade (to support the 1MBit devices) and download the latest version for the ROM images from ZyXEL, as I have access to an EPROM programmer and eraser. I also use NXFax, and was able to get a front panel from ZyXEL USA a while ago. Louis Mamakos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Doug_Smith@Novell.COM (J. Douglas Smith) Subject: SCSI Disk Problem -- HELP!!!! Message-ID: <C34EAI.J3I@Novell.COM> Sender: usenet@Novell.COM (Usenet News) Organization: Novell, Inc. Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 18:35:05 GMT I have an 040 cube with 16 MB of RAM running NeXTStep 3.0. I just started getting the following error from my hard drive: sd0: incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x2000, resid = 0x2000, retry X I get the message when I'm booting. It prints the message 9 times, then I get: sd0: incomplete disk transfer; FATAL I backed up my necessary files and attempted to reinitialize my disk from the CD-ROM. However, after I answer 'YES' to all of the 'Are you sure?' messages, the initialization fails. It complains about block sizes being too large. Can anyone give me some pointers? -- Doug Smith Internet: jdsmith@novell.com Novell, INC. Phone: (801) 429-7324 UNIX Desktop Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: saty@ntc.togliatti.su (Sergey A. TsYbanov) Subject: NeXT hardware will die. Is it truth ? Message-ID: <AK1NnZhSX7@ntc.togliatti.su> Sender: news-server@ntc Organization: AutoVAZ Research & Development Centre Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 07:18:25 GMT Hi ! I'm from Russia. Few days ago exUSSR EUnet ( named RELCOM ) was full of rumoures about impending cessation of production of NeXT hardware B-(. Is it truth ????? Russian fans of NeXT in panic ! ! iH -- ******************* Is There Anybody Out There ? ********************** * SATY ( Sergey A. TsYbanov ). * * E-mail : saty@togliatti.su Phone : number +7 (8482) 378-17-53. * ***********************************************************************
From: tyf@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tin Yau Fung) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Question on installing RAM Date: 27 Feb 1993 19:52:37 GMT Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mogq5$pt6@agate.berkeley.edu> Hi, I just acquired four 4-meg SIMM cheaply from a friend. I would like to install the RAM myself on my pre-Turbo NXstation mono. I know this voids the warranty, but I don't want to spend $60 just for someone to open the case and slip in the RAM. My question is, is the RAM upgrade relatively easy? Are there any special tools needed? Can a typical electrican do it? Thanks.
From: traupman-jonathan@yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: More questions about NS486 Date: 27 Feb 1993 17:52:00 -0500 Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1moragINNinm@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> Keywords: NS486 graphics JAWS I am hoping to purchase some sort of machine to run NeXTstep later this year and have a few more questions to add to the confusion: 1. What is this JAWS thing everyone is talking about? I think that it is some sort of lacal bus video system made by intel? and sold by Dell? (and others?). However, when I talked to a Dell representative on the phone the other day, he had no clue what I was talking about. I imagine that JAWS is different than the motherboard video they're offerring now, but in what way and when will I be able to see/buy a JAWS machine? (and will it be in a price range that mere mortals can afford?) 2. Is there any truth to the rumor that I've heard that even though they dumped their hardware division, NeXT plans to release new hardware in May. I've heard something about an i486/Pentium based machine manufactured by intel (pictures of PCs in spiffy black cases come to mind) and a PowerPC based machine made by someone else (Motorola? Canon?) 3. Finally, does anyone know the details of the sell off of NeXT's plant? Specifically, what is the chance that NeXT hardware will continue to be made under licence by whoever they sold the factory to (canon, I think)? If anyone has definite answers (or even juicy rumors) about this stuff, I'd appreciate it if they would mail me or post to this group. Thanks in advance, Jon -- Jonathan Traupman | "I knew a mathematician who said 'I do not PO Box 3124 Yale Station |know as much as God, but I know as much as New Haven, CT 06520-3124 |God did at my age.'" jont@minerva.cis.yale.edu | -Milton Shulman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) Subject: Re: Question on installing RAM Message-ID: <1993Feb27.223000.18073@seas.smu.edu> Sender: news@seas.smu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas References: <1mogq5$pt6@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 22:30:00 GMT In article <1mogq5$pt6@agate.berkeley.edu> tyf@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tin Yau Fung) writes: >Hi, > > I just acquired four 4-meg SIMM cheaply from a friend. I would like > to install the RAM myself on my pre-Turbo NXstation mono. I know > this voids the warranty, but I don't want to spend $60 just for > someone to open the case and slip in the RAM. My question is, > is the RAM upgrade relatively easy? Are there any special tools > needed? Can a typical electrican do it? > > Thanks. > The RAM upgrade is quite easy, just make sure you take your time and use the proper precautions. The only tools you will need are a SIMM extraction tool (looks like a dental pick), an anti-static wrist or hand mat (VERY important) and the little NeXT tool to open your slab with. Please note, you have to add RAM in sets of four for the 25Mhz mono slab. Anyway, power down and unplug your slab. Remove the screws with the NeXT tool and pop off the case. Touch your anti-static mat (or plug in your bracelet). Locate the SIMM slots. Insert the SIMM extraction tool to the hole on the side of the SIMM. Make sure you insert the tool from behind the SIMM, so that the bend of the tool is next to the non-chip side of the SIMM. Carefully use the SIMM holder as a fulcrum to gently pry out half of the SIMM. Repeat this with the other half of the SIMM. Once you have removed the SIMM, touch your static mat and place the SIMM in anti-static wrap, or on anti-static material. Once you have removed the four SIMMs (it doesn't matter if you remove the first or last 4) and properly stored them, you can insert the new SIMMs. Simply touch your static mat, pick up the SIMM and pop it into the slot, pushing down firmly from the top. When you have done all four, put the computer back together and power up. Go into the ROM monitor (command, command, tilde) and hit "m" for memory configuration. It should respond that you now have 20 megs or RAM. Hit "b" to boot up as normal. Standard disclaimer: if you botch this up, I'm not responsible. If done upgrades to cubes several times without a hitch. Just remember to use the appropriate static protection and treat the SIMMs gently. David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jland@lodge.nwu.edu (John Landwehr) Subject: Mass Micro HitchHiker Drive Compatibility Message-ID: <1993Feb27.231130.6410@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 23:11:30 GMT Has anyone been able to connect the MassMicro HitchHiker portable external hard drive to a NeXT yet? It was created for the MacPowerbook, and draws its power from the ADB port. It comes with a Y cord, to leave the keyboard plugged in. Our initial testing couldn't get it to work.... Anyone else tried? -- John Landwehr jland@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Question on installing RAM Message-ID: <1993Feb28.045944.17594@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Feb27.223000.18073@seas.smu.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 04:59:44 GMT In article <1993Feb27.223000.18073@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) writes: > In article <1mogq5$pt6@agate.berkeley.edu> tyf@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tin Yau Fung) writes: > >Hi, > > > >I just acquired four 4-meg SIMM cheaply from a friend. I would like > >to install the RAM myself on my pre-Turbo NXstation mono. I know > >this voids the warranty, but I don't want to spend $60 just for > >someone to open the case and slip in the RAM. My question is, > >is the RAM upgrade relatively easy? Are there any special tools > >needed? Can a typical electrican do it? > The RAM upgrade is quite easy, just make sure you take your > time and use the proper precautions. The only tools you will > need are a SIMM extraction tool (looks like a dental pick), > an anti-static wrist or hand mat (VERY important) and the > little NeXT tool to open your slab with. Please note, you > have to add RAM in sets of four for the 25Mhz mono slab. > Anyway, power down and unplug your slab. Remove the screws > with the NeXT tool and pop off the case. There is only one screw in the back, and it's a phillips screw, not a NeXTcube hexnut. > have removed the four SIMMs (it doesn't matter if you remove > the first or last 4) and properly stored them, you can insert > the new SIMMs. Simply touch your static mat, pick up the SIMM > and pop it into the slot, pushing down firmly from the top. > When you have done all four, put the computer back together Make sure the SIMMs are seated all the way in the slots. They should click into place. -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Symbolics (was Re: Flame: NeXT DROPPED HARDWARE) Keywords: BLACK..HEAVY..METAL - NO ROCK, CUBE!! Message-ID: <14702@optilink.COM> Date: 28 Feb 93 06:20:20 GMT References: <1993Feb17.200203.7458@boba.rhein-main.de> <1993Feb26.043323.18309@netcom.com> Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA In article <1993Feb26.043323.18309@netcom.com>, nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) writes: > matomira@di.epfl.ch (Fernando Mato Mira) writes: > >(*) If Symbolics ported Genera to the new 64-bit MIPS chips, then it would REALLY > > be everybody. > > It's too late. Symbolics went bankrupt last week. We do need to be precise here. Symbolics filed for Chapter 11 reorganization, which is a form of bankruptcy, last week. Some companies emerge from Chapter 11 alive and well, and some do not. If I recall correctly, Western Digital some years ago went through Chapter 11. Symbolics has for years suffered from (among many other things) large office space lease commitments on no-longer-used space, which they have been unable to sublet due to poor market conditions. If one or more creditors are making life impossible by intransigent refusal to work within current realities, Chapter 11 can be a way out. It usually isn't, but it occasionally is. A very minor and very battered SMBX stockholder, Brad Yearwood brad@optilink.com {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad Petaluma, CA
From: sven@jacobs2.css.msu.edu (Sven Bohm) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Question on installing RAM Date: 28 Feb 1993 20:08:30 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1mr63u$qff@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <1993Feb27.223000.18073@seas.smu.edu> In article <1993Feb27.223000.18073@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) writes: > ... and the little NeXT tool to open your slab with. ... For the slab this tool looks a lot like a screwdriver. There is a special tool for the cube though. -- Sven Bohm sven@jacobs2.css.msu.edu (NeXTMail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Message-ID: <83j44q=@rpi.edu> References: <1993Feb27.014926.5404@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 20:32:01 GMT mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > A resounding YES! The Apple CD150 works flawlessly with NeXT hardware. I > have done several NS3.0 installations from our AppleCD150 with no problem. > Just make sure you have the proper cable and terminator from NeXT. Note that the subject is "AppleCD 300", not the 150... I've ordered a AppleCD 300. Assuming it ever gets here, I'll find out how well it works. (I have Macs to put it on to, in addition to my NeXT, so this isn't as much of a gamble as it sounds). I imagine the drive will work fine for standard CD-ROM processing (such as installations), but probably won't work with CDPlayer.app. It will also be interesting to see if the NeXT will be able to access the digital information of music CD's using this. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rlabelle@lamar.colostate.edu Subject: 17" Fimi problem Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Feb28.205917.86123@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 20:59:17 GMT Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Keywords: color monitor Hello, Has anyone else seen the following problem ? The width of the actively lit area on my 17" color monitor (Fimi I think, early nsc) changes at random intervals by a quarter inch or so, then it pops back after a few seconds....damm annoying. Thanks for any info..... Rob LaBelle reply to rlabelle@lamar.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) Message-ID: <66j41kb@rpi.edu> References: <1mkki8INNde3@mensa.usc.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 22:24:25 GMT joungwoo@mensa.usc.edu (John Kim) writes: > Fijitsu 128 REM Portable: At this moment, to my knowledge, 128 MByte > optical drives based on Fujitsu mechanism seems to be the fastest, > roughly having average seek time of 30ms and average transfer rate > of 768KBytes/sec. These are the most recently introduced; when I > called DGR Technology (800-235-9748) and MacProducts USA (800-MAC-USA1), > both of which are in Texas, about a week ago they were taking orders > for them at the lowest price ($999) (advertised in MacWorld April '93 > issue). People wanting speed should check out the 128meg MO drive put out by Pinnacle. I don't have the exact specs with me, but I believe it was an average seek time of 20ms. This drive is available from The LLB Company (800-848-8967), who advertises in MacWeek and probably other Mac magazines. It's also available from a number of other companies. Radiant Technologies has one available for the NeXT, for instance, and I believe that also works on other (non-NeXT) platforms. A friend of mine just bought one of these from yet another company (I forget which one...), and he's happy with it on his Mac. I borrowed it for a few days to try on a NeXT, and it worked well there, too. [cross-posted to cs.next.hardware -> NeXT owners interested in MO drives might want to check the article I'm responding to in one of the other newsgroups this article is cross-posted to] -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA Xref: informatik.uni-muenchen.de comp.sys.mac.hardware:11230 comp.sys.next.hardware:1480 comp.arch.storage:314 comp.periphs.scsi:2254 Path: informatik.uni-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!fauern!ira.uka.de!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!sgigate!odin!twilight!zola!anchor!olson From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) Message-ID: <gc5rdts@zola.esd.sgi.com> Date: 1 Mar 93 04:55:19 GMT References: <1mkki8INNde3@mensa.usc.edu> <66j41kb@rpi.edu> Sender: news@zola.esd.sgi.com (Net News) Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Mountain View, CA Lines: 42 In <66j41kb@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: | joungwoo@mensa.usc.edu (John Kim) writes: | > Fijitsu 128 REM Portable: At this moment, to my knowledge, 128 MByte | > optical drives based on Fujitsu mechanism seems to be the fastest, | > roughly having average seek time of 30ms and average transfer rate | > of 768KBytes/sec. These are the most recently introduced; when I | > called DGR Technology (800-235-9748) and MacProducts USA (800-MAC-USA1), | > both of which are in Texas, about a week ago they were taking orders | > for them at the lowest price ($999) (advertised in MacWorld April '93 | > issue). | | People wanting speed should check out the 128meg MO drive put out by | Pinnacle. I don't have the exact specs with me, but I believe it was an | average seek time of 20ms. This drive is available from The LLB Company | (800-848-8967), who advertises in MacWeek and probably other Mac magazines. | It's also available from a number of other companies. Radiant Technologies | has one available for the NeXT, for instance, and I believe that also works | on other (non-NeXT) platforms. Be careful. Pinnacle cheats to get their performance numbers, in the way they handle write commands. They return successful status as soon as the data is in their RAM buffer (and light a special blue LED until the data is flushed). SCSI allows for this, but the Pinnacle drive modesense command claims that they aren't doing it, so there is no (documented/standard) way to disable it. Sounds great, until you think if what might happen if there is a media error, and that 'successful' write never makes it to the media... Also, their claims of high write performance fall apart if you write more data than they can buffer. They are actually somewhat slower under these conditions than drives like the MaxOptix Tahiti 2 (which don't do write buffering by default, I might add). Their read performance is also somewhat worse than the Tahiti. I didn't check the seek numbers. -- Let no one tell me that silence gives consent, | Dave Olson because whoever is silent dissents. | Silicon Graphics, Inc. Maria Isabel Barreno | olson@sgi.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: thomas@arnold.fkp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Thomas Traexler) Subject: Re: 486 variants Sender: news@news.th-darmstadt.de (UseNet News Admin) Message-ID: <1993Mar1.073818.14070@news.th-darmstadt.de> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 07:38:18 GMT References: <1993Feb26.010606.28633@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Organization: TH Darmstadt In article <1993Feb26.010606.28633@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes: > Ok PLEASE SOMEONE DEFINE THESE TERMS: > > Is a DX-50 50MHz internal & external? YES > Is a DX2-50 50MHz internal, & 25 MHz external? YES >Or is it 50MHz external > and 100MHz internal??? NO > > If the DX2-50 is actually a clock doubled 25MHz machine, then > how does it get to be 70-80% faster than the DX system???????????? 70-80% faster than a 25MHz DX > > PC stuff is making my head spin!!!!!!!!! > > - darcy -- Thomas Traexler Email: TH-Darmstadt thomas@arnold.fkp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (NeXTmail) Institut fuer dd3i@mvs.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (non NeXTmail) Festkoerperphysik
From: joungwoo@mensa.usc.edu (John Kim) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) Date: 1 Mar 1993 00:32:10 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Message-ID: <1mshmaINNr61@mensa.usc.edu> References: <1mkki8INNde3@mensa.usc.edu> <66j41kb@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: >joungwoo@mensa.usc.edu (John Kim) writes: >> Fijitsu 128 REM Portable: At this moment, to my knowledge, 128 MByte >> optical drives based on Fujitsu mechanism seems to be the fastest, >> roughly having average seek time of 30ms and average transfer rate >> of 768KBytes/sec. These are the most recently introduced; when I >> called DGR Technology (800-235-9748) and MacProducts USA (800-MAC-USA1), >> both of which are in Texas, about a week ago they were taking orders >> for them at the lowest price ($999) (advertised in MacWorld April '93 >> issue). >People wanting speed should check out the 128meg MO drive put out by >Pinnacle. I don't have the exact specs with me, but I believe it was an >average seek time of 20ms. This drive is available from The LLB Company >(800-848-8967), who advertises in MacWeek and probably other Mac magazines. >It's also available from a number of other companies. Radiant Technologies >has one available for the NeXT, for instance, and I believe that also works >on other (non-NeXT) platforms. >A friend of mine just bought one of these from yet another company (I forget >which one...), and he's happy with it on his Mac. I borrowed it for a few >days to try on a NeXT, and it worked well there, too. I don't know if the Pinnacles drive above (PMO 130MB) has indeed a shorter average access time but in April Issue of MacWorld it is advertised to be 19ms drive priced at $1589! Well I don't work for either Epson (34ms at $1099) or Fijitsu (30ms at $999), but I will think twice before I buy Pinnacle's drive due to its price -- especially when another netter's msg on this new group warns against Pinnacle's strange way of measuring drive speed. John -- Joung-woo John Kim joungwoo@mensa.usc.edu Computer Science Dept. University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0781
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: subbarao@concorde.fc.hp.com (Kartik Subbarao) Subject: Using NeXT optical disks with HP drives? Message-ID: <1993Feb28.224551.20578@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: putchar('I'); for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) putchar('E'); Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 22:45:51 GMT Is it possible to do the above? Is their some magic disktab entry or something that can coax the HP drive into reading the NeXT floptical, or are the filesystems just totally radically different? PLEASE respond by email, I will post any successful response I get. -Kartik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi From: adrie@ica.philips.nl (Adrie Koolen) Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) Message-ID: <1993Mar1.090421.471@ica.philips.nl> Organization: Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, The Netherlands References: <1mkki8INNde3@mensa.usc.edu> <66j41kb@rpi.edu> <gc5rdts@zola.esd.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 09:04:21 GMT In article <gc5rdts@zola.esd.sgi.com> olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes: >Be careful. Pinnacle cheats to get their performance numbers, in the >way they handle write commands. They return successful status as soon >as the data is in their RAM buffer (and light a special blue LED >until the data is flushed). SCSI allows for this, but the Pinnacle >drive modesense command claims that they aren't doing it, so there >is no (documented/standard) way to disable it. > >Sounds great, until you think if what might happen if there is >a media error, and that 'successful' write never makes it to >the media... It's all a matter of how certain you want to be. Looking at drives that write the data to the disk before returning a GOOD status, do you think that they have verified the data after it's been written and before returning the GOOD status? If not, how can you be sure that the data has been stored correctly? I believe that in a few years, everybody will buffer writes to the disk. It's the easiest way to get a reasonable write performance. It will fail only if the buffered write goes wrong and the automatic write reallocation also fails. Working with a lot of SCSI drives for years, I've never seen this happen, unless the hard disk really dies. I got my Quantum PD1225S with buffered writes, automatic read and write reallocation enabled. I see no reason to disable it. I do see a reason NOT to disable it! It would be nice to see MTBF numbers for drives that buffer writes and do automatic read and write reallocation, but I don't think that they would be high. Adrie Koolen (adrie@ica.philips.nl) Philips Consumer Electronics, Eindhoven, the Netherlands
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) Date: 1 Mar 1993 02:15:37 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1msno9INNj3j@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1mkki8INNde3@mensa.usc.edu> <66j41kb@rpi.edu> <1mshmaINNr61@mensa.usc.edu> In article <1mshmaINNr61@mensa.usc.edu> joungwoo@mensa.usc.edu (John Kim) writes: >gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > >>joungwoo@mensa.usc.edu (John Kim) writes: >>> Fijitsu 128 REM Portable: At this moment, to my knowledge, 128 MByte >>> optical drives based on Fujitsu mechanism seems to be the fastest, >>> roughly having average seek time of 30ms and average transfer rate >>> of 768KBytes/sec. These are the most recently introduced; when I >>> called DGR Technology (800-235-9748) and MacProducts USA (800-MAC-USA1), >>> both of which are in Texas, about a week ago they were taking orders >>> for them at the lowest price ($999) (advertised in MacWorld April '93 >>> issue). > >>People wanting speed should check out the 128meg MO drive put out by >>Pinnacle. I don't have the exact specs with me, but I believe it was an >>average seek time of 20ms. This drive is available from The LLB Company >>(800-848-8967), who advertises in MacWeek and probably other Mac magazines. >>It's also available from a number of other companies. Radiant Technologies >>has one available for the NeXT, for instance, and I believe that also works >>on other (non-NeXT) platforms. > I'm glad to see people are realizing the clever way Pinnacle gets their access time. I've been working with Ocean Micro to administrate an educator buy program. Things are going well with their Vista 256 and I'm happy to say a very reasonable price will be included in a newsletter I'll be sending out in another month or two. I've tested the drive on the NeXTstation and its plug and play. Give me a buzz at (714) 641-8487 and leave a name and address, etc. and I'll get you on a limited mailing list. I don't think this venture will be very profitable and I'm wondering what to call it. Would it be a co-op; or maybe a "not for profit" (this is an IRS designation of some type) VAR? Maybe its something else. If anyone has any ideas I'd sure like to hear em while I'm putting this thing together. The main focus will be to get verified educators and their students a discount below anything else they can find based either on our low overhead or a special aggreement with a manufacturer. We won't compete with retailers and won't directly support end users. We hope to eventually only support educators by providing advice and shopping around on their behalf. I think there is a need for such a vertical service without the regular sales marketing approach and since we are all either educators, programmers or techs I would appreciate any friendly advice to get people what they need at a reasonable price point without dumping money into advertizing hype every month. I look forward to any feedback. maurices P.S. Ocean Micro sells the Vista 256 direct and they are listed in the back of MacWorld every month (1-800-?). Ya'll might want to give them a call to get specs. One thing for sure, the data transfer rate is roughly twice as fast as the 128's out there and there is no buffering.
From: masson@rhi.hi.is Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 4 ch ADC board (FAQ?) Message-ID: <6438@krafla.rhi.hi.is> Date: 1 Mar 93 10:08:35 GMT Sender: usenet@rhi.hi.is Organization: Taugagreining hf I am posting this for a colleague : I need information on an AD converter board with at least 4 channels, 8-12 bits, 80 kHz per channel. The AD board should connect to a NeXT-Compatible DSP port. Information on vendors/personal experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Thorsteinn Helgi Steinarsson -------------------------------------------------- Egill Masson TEL +354 1 69 49 29 Taugagreining hf, FAX +354 1 2 88 01 Technology Park, Dunhagi 5, mas@rhi.hi.is IS-107 Reykjavik, Iceland Taugagreining hf ..... Digital EEG in Windows --------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: manzara@flipflop.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Leonard Manzara) Subject: NeXTSTEP Audio Standard mailing list Message-ID: <C36n09.7qv@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> Sender: news@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (News Manager) Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1993 23:38:33 GMT Dear Colleagues, A new mailing list has been started which is devoted to developing the NeXTSTEP Audio Standard. Since the demise of NeXT hardware, software developers, end users, researchers and academics have expressed concern that there is now no standard hardware under NeXTSTEP to support sound and music. There is a real danger that manufacturers will develop proprietary hardware which will be incompatible with hardware from other vendors, with the result that several versions of the software must be produced by audio and music application developers. This also means that the end user will be faced with a bewildering choice of hardware solutions with inconsistent sets of features. With these problems in mind, a number of members of the network community agreed to form a working committee to develop a sound and music standard for computers operating under NeXTSTEP. We feel it is important for the community as a whole to create a solution to this problem, and not have it imposed upon us by any one company. If you have an interest in helping to shape an open standard which will govern the support of audio under NeXTSTEP, please subscribe to the mailing list. To subscribe, send an email message to: nas@flip.cpsc.UCalgary.CA Please put "subscribe" in the subject field. Note that your email address will be taken from the "From:" field of your message. If the address of this field is incorrect (possible when mailing from somewhere other than your own account), then use subscribe: <address> in the subject line, where <address> is the email address you wish to have NAS mail sent to. Leonard Manzara manzara@cpsc.UCalgary.CA Research Associate Dept. of Computer Science University of Calgary
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tsui@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (yufeng tsui) Subject: Memory Message-ID: <C37xyx.CpM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Indiana University Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 16:32:56 GMT I am wondering if I can mix different speed simms (70ns and 100ns) on NeXTStation (mono, non-turbo). Also, is there anyway to tell if the memory that came with the machines are parity simms or not? Thanks. --yufeng
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi From: povlphp@uts.uni-c.dk (Povl H. Pedersen) Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 19:18:02 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar1.191802.18626@uts.uni-c.dk> References: <1mkki8INNde3@mensa.usc.edu> <66j41kb@rpi.edu> Pinnacle is a cheating company. They use some fake access time on all their optical drives. They only measure it over a 80MB band of the disk, "so as to make it comparable to harddisks". So on a 600MB drive, multiply their access time with 600/80, which is somewhere between 7 and 8. I would not buy stuff from a company who tries to cheat you this way. -- Povl H. Pedersen - Macintosh specialist. Knows some DOS and UNIX too. pope@imv.aau.dk - povlphp@uts.uni-c.dk --- Finger me at pope@imv.aau.dk for PGP Public Key ---
From: traupman-jonathan@cs.yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: More questions about NS486 Date: 1 Mar 1993 12:46:47 -0500 Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mti67INNp2a@SUNED.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> References: <1moragINNinm@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> Keywords: NS486 graphics JAWS In article <1moragINNinm@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> traupman-jonathan@yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) writes: >I am hoping to purchase some sort of machine to run NeXTstep later this year >and have a few more questions to add to the confusion: > >1. What is this JAWS thing everyone is talking about? I think that it is some >sort of lacal bus video system made by intel? and sold by Dell? (and others?). >However, when I talked to a Dell representative on the phone the other day, he >had no clue what I was talking about. I imagine that JAWS is different than the >motherboard video they're offerring now, but in what way and when will I be >able to see/buy a JAWS machine? (and will it be in a price range that mere >mortals can afford?) > >2. Is there any truth to the rumor that I've heard that even though they dumped >their hardware division, NeXT plans to release new hardware in May. I've heard >something about an i486/Pentium based machine manufactured by intel (pictures >of PCs in spiffy black cases come to mind) and a PowerPC based machine made by >someone else (Motorola? Canon?) > >3. Finally, does anyone know the details of the sell off of NeXT's plant? >Specifically, what is the chance that NeXT hardware will continue to be made >under licence by whoever they sold the factory to (canon, I think)? > >If anyone has definite answers (or even juicy rumors) about this stuff, I'd >appreciate it if they would mail me or post to this group. >Thanks in advance, > >Jon Sorry, I forgot something in the original post: I am unable to read NeXTmail (due to the unfortunate lack of a NeXT :( ). Thanks to everyone who responded! Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi From: schwarze@delphi.nosc.mil (David Schwarze) Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) Message-ID: <1993Mar1.161340.12784@nosc.mil> Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi Sender: pinney@nosc.mil (Mel M. Pinney) Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA References: <1mshmaINNr61@mensa.usc.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 16:13:40 GMT : gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: : : >People wanting speed should check out the 128meg MO drive put out by : >Pinnacle. I don't have the exact specs with me, but I believe it was an : >average seek time of 20ms. This drive is available from The LLB Company : >(800-848-8967), who advertises in MacWeek and probably other Mac magazines. I'd like to throw in my two cents worth on Pinnacle Microsystems. Our company bought two of their REO-650 optical jukeboxes for a total cost of $19,000. They have been sitting around unused for 2 years (yes, TWO YEARS!) because they are unable to supply us with bug-free software to drive them. We have received 7 or 8 versions from them and none of them work right. Their staff keeps turning over (big suprise) and they say "Yes, we are working on a new version right now... we'll send it to you when it's ready", and then we never hear from them. What's worse, it clearly states in their advertisments that several jukeboxes may be attached to one Mac, and the first years worth of drivers they sent us didn't even recognize more than one jukebox! They even admitted to this!!! (after I struggled for hours trying to make it work). I guess they thought nobody would buy more than one. Hah! they didn't figure on us being such suckers! The only thing that I can say in their defense is that there were a few people who tried hard to help me (Darcy is an OK guy) but I will *never* *ever* buy *anything* from Pinnacle again!! The person posting about the sneaky handling of write commands only reaffirms my feelings about this company. This has been my experience -- your mileage may vary.. ================================================================================ David Schwarze (schwarze@delphi.nosc.mil or NeXT mail schwarze@isenext2.saic.com) "Opinions expressed are just that" ================================================================================
From: hornof@ogicse.ogi.edu (Luke Hornof) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Hard Drive sources/prices Message-ID: <50767@ogicse.ogi.edu> Date: 1 Mar 93 19:41:57 GMT Article-I.D.: ogicse.50767 Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR Hi, I have a next with a 100M HD, and would like to upgrade to 300 Meg. 1) What is a good price for a new 300M HD (internal or external)? 2) What is a good place to buy it from? 3) Can I use both drives (100 + 300), or do I get rid of the 100M. Thanks in advance, Luke
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pyrros@ulysses.att.com (Christos T. Pyrros) Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? (WORKS with CDPlayer!) Message-ID: <1993Mar1.174605.8670@ulysses.att.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 17:46:05 GMT References: <83j44q=@rpi.edu> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill In article <83j44q=@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > > A resounding YES! The Apple CD150 works flawlessly with NeXT hardware. I > > have done several NS3.0 installations from our AppleCD150 with no problem. > > Just make sure you have the proper cable and terminator from NeXT. > > Note that the subject is "AppleCD 300", not the 150... > > I've ordered a AppleCD 300. Assuming it ever gets here, I'll find out how > well it works. (I have Macs to put it on to, in addition to my NeXT, so > this isn't as much of a gamble as it sounds). I imagine the drive will work > fine for standard CD-ROM processing (such as installations), but probably > won't work with CDPlayer.app. It will also be interesting to see if the > NeXT will be able to access the digital information of music CD's using > this. To answer everyone's questions: 1. I DO have the drive. I placed my order on the day of the announcement, 12/15/92, and received it on 02/08/93. 2. It IS hooked up to my NeXTstation. Standard SCSI device; no problems there. It shows up as: Feb 25 12:04:06 ouzo mach: SONY CD-ROM CDU-8003 Rev 1.8d as sd3 at sc0 target 5 lun 0 3. It DOES work with HFS, ISO 9660, and Rockridge disks, which I have tried so far. 4. It DOES work with CDPlayer.app; I use it to listed to music disks all the time, however, I must first launch CDPlayer.app, THEN insert the music disk. 5. It is fully compatible with the Workspace; ie the Workspace automounts disks as soon as they are inserted and it ejects them when you drag the disk into the recycler. I haven't seen any software yet which would allow me to read audio data right over the SCSI bus. Chris
From: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? (WORKS with CDPlayer!) Date: 1 Mar 1993 20:58:58 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Message-ID: <1mttei$anj@pith.uoregon.edu> References: <1993Mar1.174605.8670@ulysses.att.com> I can verify this as well. I currently have an AppleCD 150, and it does *not* work with CDPlayer.app. I tried plugging in an AppleCD 300, and it functions exactly like the NeXT CD-ROM. CDPlayer.app works beautifully. However, the AppleCD 100 and 150 will allow you to read standard formatted CD-ROMs; you just won't be able to use CDPlayer.app. -jason ______________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, Student Programmer/Consultant| No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi From: kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Mar01.211823.63223@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1993 21:18:23 GMT References: <1993Mar1.161340.12784@nosc.mil> Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 well, i guess i'll throw in some 2cents for what it is worth. we purchased a pinnacle 'high speed' 3.5inch optical and have had no problems so far with it. it is used heavily performs better than we expected. it was also plug and go. i can appreciate the disgruntlement of those who have pointed out that pinnacle seems to have cheated on the specs. i'm just saying that we purchased one and are very happy with it (imho). wish it was black, tho. kelley wittmeyer dept of atmospheric science colorado state university
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Date: 1 Mar 1993 22:19:00 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Message-ID: <1mu24kINN333@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1993Feb27.014926.5404@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu> <83j44q=@rpi.edu> In article <83j44q=@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: >mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: >> A resounding YES! The Apple CD150 works flawlessly with NeXT hardware. I >> have done several NS3.0 installations from our AppleCD150 with no problem. >> Just make sure you have the proper cable and terminator from NeXT. > >Note that the subject is "AppleCD 300", not the 150... I believe the original post did not specify the CD300. That came up later on when someone wanted to know if the SCSI digital audio trick works. I won't flame you for not looking back and following the thread because these things happen. Of course, if I am wrong and the original poster actually specified the CD300 you may flame me in return for being sarcastic. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alex Currier | Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | Place suitably humerous mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | quotation here. alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu (NeXTmail only) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pcm@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au (Peter Murray) Subject: NeXT availability in Australia Message-ID: <1993Mar2.022430.8522@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au> Organization: Telecom Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 02:24:30 GMT Where could I pick up a used NeXT machine in Australia? And what price would I expect to pay? +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Peter C. Murray | pcm@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au | | Telecom Mobiles | | | Information Technology Development| | | Information Technology Group | | | Telecom Australia | | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Message-ID: <7+l46td@rpi.edu> References: <1mu24kINN333@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 03:33:00 GMT mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > >mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) writes: > >> A resounding YES! The Apple CD150 works flawlessly with NeXT > >> hardware. I have done several NS3.0 installations from our > >> AppleCD150 with no problem. > > > >Note that the subject is "AppleCD 300", not the 150... > > I believe the original post did not specify the CD300. That came up later > on when someone wanted to know if the SCSI digital audio trick works. I > won't flame you for not looking back and following the thread because > these things happen. > > Of course, if I am wrong and the original poster actually specified the > CD300 you may flame me in return for being sarcastic. The text of the original article follows: [ From: Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU ] [ Date: 24 Feb 1993 02:21:51 GMT ] | Does anyone have experience with using an AppleCD 300 CDROM drive | with a NeXT? I'm interested in it due to its performance and the | multisession PhotoCD capability. (And due to it's price through | our University bookstore. :-) | | Thanks for any information, At my site, your (Alex's) article was the first follow up to that request. Luckily the article was less than a week old or it would already be purged at RPI (sigh). Note that I won't flame you for not looking back and following the thread, because I suspect you've too busy getting that shoe out of your mouth. :-) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Memory Message-ID: <1993Mar2.044348.17587@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <C37xyx.CpM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 04:43:48 GMT In article <C37xyx.CpM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> tsui@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (yufeng tsui) writes: > I am wondering if I can mix different speed simms (70ns and 100ns) > on NeXTStation (mono, non-turbo). That sounds fine. 100 ns is the required speed, anything rated faster will work, but not any faster. > Also, is there anyway to tell if > the memory that came with the machines are parity simms or not? Perhaps the hardware monitor command "m". -- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: e77-cg@dv349-2c.berkeley.edu () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT availability in Australia Date: 2 Mar 1993 05:15:48 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1muqi4$jqj@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Mar2.022430.8522@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au> In article <1993Mar2.022430.8522@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au> pcm@scammell.ecos.tne.oz.au (Peter Murray) writes: > > >Where could I pick up a used NeXT machine in Australia? >And what price would I expect to pay? > I think Canon is the distributor of NeXT machines in Australia. Recall that a NeXTstation Mono in Hong Kong costs US $5000 without a monitor, I don't think there are that many NeXT machines Australia in the first place. Seriously, you wil better off buying from someone in US.
From: e77-cg@dv349-2c.berkeley.edu () Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Thanks for the help on installing RAM Date: 2 Mar 1993 06:05:00 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mutec$ke4@agate.berkeley.edu> I cracked open my NeXTstation tonight and installed the RAM. I did not have the SIMM extraction tool. I looked at the SIMM arrangement, and I figured out a paper-clip, though little risky, could be used in place of the extraction tool. The SIMM was really hard to pull out though. At the moment I pulled it out I thought I broke the SIMM. Anyway, now I know why a paper-clip or screw driver is not recommended. Thanks for everyone for the help.
From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Can the computer turn on/off a SCSI disk by itself? Date: 2 Mar 1993 06:24:38 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1muuj6INN5cc@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> I've been having this weird problem with my ext. Fujitsu M2624FA 520 MB (1024). At random, the drive would spin down and the console would come up with "Target not ready error" Then if I try to save an open file for example, the disk would spin up again and start rebooting wich causes the system to crash and reboot again. Do you think I'm having a software error, wrong jumpers, bad power supply, or...? I tried the following: 1) Replaced the drive mechanism (under warranty) 2) connected to a different electric circuit w/ & w/out a surge suppressor. 3) Connected hard disk to a different NeXTstation. 4) Changed SCSI cable The only thing that remained constant is the case (power supply). I did order a new, different mfr. case. All these did not change the occasional crash. I am suspecting a faulty power supply that occasionally decides to shut the power off. My other theory is that somehow the disk is deciding it should not spin anymore (idle??!) and then spins up upon request causing the machine to crash. I guess you can tell I'm not an expert on these things. I'm an architecture student, I know how to design buildings not computer hardware :-) Here are the messages (from /usr/adm/messages): Feb 27 14:05:45 libra mach: Target 2: HARDWARE ERROR; block 0H retry 1 Feb 27 14:05:45 libra mach: Target 2: NOT READY; retry 1 Feb 27 14:05:45 libra mach: Target 2: NOT READY; retry 2 Feb 27 14:05:45 libra mach: Target 2: NOT READY; retry 3 Feb 27 14:05:45 libra mach: Target 2: NOT READY; retry 19 Feb 27 14:05:45 libra mach: sd1 (2,0): sense key:0x2 additional sense code:0x4 Feb 27 14:05:45 libra mach: SCSI Block in error = 0 (front porch) Feb 27 14:05:52 libra mach: Target 2: NOT READY; retry 1 Feb 27 14:05:52 libra mach: Target 2: NOT READY; retry 2 etc. Any suggestions?? Please e-mail. -- Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2313 wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What is the max value for nbuf? Date: 2 Mar 1993 15:38:33 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mvv1pINNjkt@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: nbuf, pot-bellied pigs I know this subject has probably come up a number of times, but what is the maximum value of nbuf that I can specify on bootup? Is there a way to make it default? I know the ROM monitor only allows twelve characters, but I use something like this bsd sdmach nbuf=xxx Just looking for a good use for 48MB of RAM. 8-) -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What is the max value for nbuf? Date: 2 Mar 1993 15:39:04 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1mvv2oINNjla@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: nbuf, pot-bellied pigs I know this subject has probably come up a number of times, but what is the maximum value of nbuf that I can specify on bootup? Is there a way to make it default? I know the ROM monitor only allows twelve characters, but I use something like this bsd sdmach nbuf=xxx Just looking for a good use for 48MB of RAM. 8-) -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) In-Reply-To: kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu's message of Mon, 01 Mar 1993 21:18:23 GMT Message-ID: <DRAND.93Mar2113536@spinner.osf.org> Sender: news@osf.org (USENET News System) Organization: Open Software Foundation References: <1993Mar1.161340.12784@nosc.mil> <Mar01.211823.63223@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: 2 Mar 93 11:35:36 In article <Mar01.211823.63223@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kelley@kiwi.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Kelley Wittmeyer) writes: well, i guess i'll throw in some 2cents for what it is worth. we purchased a pinnacle 'high speed' 3.5inch optical and have had no problems so far with it. it is used heavily performs better than we expected. it was also plug and go. i can appreciate the disgruntlement of those who have pointed out that pinnacle seems to have cheated on the specs. i'm just saying that we purchased one and are very happy with it (imho). wish it was black, tho. I used one of their larger format drives on a SPARC. I had one drive fail within a year (which they cheerfully replaced) and I had some trouble with bad media - far more than I would expect from an archival media. I also had some trouble with their software drivers, I was particularly annoyed to upgrade the OS and find that their driver no longer worked. I cannot say whether the problems I saw were due to bad samples of disks, or driver problems. I do know that we had some other MODs around which seemed to be more reliable in this regard. I can't judge from the single sample I had. But I did find that reformatting often made a "bad" disk become "good" and this would suggest the driver. Bear in mind that trouble with a 600 Mb optical doesn't say anything about their 3 1/2 media drives. These may be great. -- Douglas S. Rand <drand@osf.org> OSF/Motif Dev. Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it. Amateur Radio: KC1KJ
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Currier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT & AppleCD 300 Compatibility? Date: 2 Mar 1993 18:20:39 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Message-ID: <1n08hoINN529@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <1mu24kINN333@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <7+l46td@rpi.edu> In article <7+l46td@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: >Note that I won't flame you for not looking back and following the thread, >because I suspect you've too busy getting that shoe out of your mouth. :-) Please pass the salt so that I may eat my words. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Alex Currier | Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin | Place suitably humerous mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | quotation here. alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu (NeXTmail only) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi From: eric@telebit.com (Eric Smith) Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) In-Reply-To: adrie@ica.philips.nl's message of Mon, 1 Mar 1993 09:04:21 GMT Message-ID: <ERIC.93Mar2105214@iceland.telebit.com> Sender: news@telebit.com Organization: Telebit Corporation References: <1mkki8INNde3@mensa.usc.edu> <66j41kb@rpi.edu> <gc5rdts@zola.esd.sgi.com> <1993Mar1.090421.471@ica.philips.nl> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 18:52:14 GMT >>On Mon, 1 Mar 1993 09:04:21 GMT, adrie@ica.philips.nl (Adrie Koolen) said: > I believe that in a few years, everybody will buffer writes to the disk. That's fine, but then they should have the mode sense indicate that it is doing it, rather than sweeping it under the rug and benchmarking against drives that have write buffering turned off. Pinnacle deliberately sets up their benchmarks for apples to oranges comparisons. For instance, their "optical hard disk" seek peformance claims are based on average seek times within a 60 MB band on the disk, and the comparison figures that they publish are other vendor's 1/3 stroke seek times for an entire disk.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi From: sdm7g@elvis.med.Virginia.EDU (Steven D. Majewski) Subject: More Pinnacle Bashing! ( was: Re: 128MB Optical Drives) Message-ID: <1993Mar2.183043.23039@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Summary: More Pinnacle Bashing - this is about REO-650, NOT 128MB drives. Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <1993Mar1.161340.12784@nosc.mil> <Mar01.211823.63223@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <DRAND.93Mar2113536@spinner.osf.org> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 18:30:43 GMT In article <DRAND.93Mar2113536@spinner.osf.org> drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes: > >I used one of their larger format drives on a SPARC. I had one drive >fail within a year (which they cheerfully replaced) and I had some >trouble with bad media - far more than I would expect from an archival >media. I also had some trouble with their software drivers, I was >particularly annoyed to upgrade the OS and find that their driver no >longer worked. > >I cannot say whether the problems I saw were due to bad samples of >disks, or driver problems. I do know that we had some other MODs >around which seemed to be more reliable in this regard. I can't >judge from the single sample I had. But I did find that reformatting >often made a "bad" disk become "good" and this would suggest the >driver. > I do know that the Pinnacle DOS/BIOS drivers for their REO-650's turned off write verification as the default write mode(*). This was, from all of the other info I gathered at the time, against standard practice for most vendors of optical media, and ( so my informant said ) against the advice of the folks who wrote the BIOS, but was done for "performance reasons" , i.e. to produce good benchmarks at the expense of data integrity. I find this unacceptable for an ARCHIVAL medium. You don't state what events indicated "bad media", and I don't know what the format program on SPARC does, but possibly formatting the disks were discovering marginal blocks and marking them as bad. I have also been sold improperly formatted media by Pinnacle, as well as disks that had been recalled by the manufacturer. Pinnacle would neither notify their customers who had bought the bad media, nor give the manufacturer (3M) their customer list so that they (3M) could notify the customers. [ I posted this whole sorry tale once before! - "The Case of the Moving Sectors or How My Data Managed to Move Itself 34 Blocks and Become Unreadable!" ] After getting fixes from my problems from Columbia Data Products and SONY and 3M ( but no help from Pinnacle ), the most severe problems have disappeared, but I do not consider it reliable storage ( which was why I bought it in the first place. ) and it has cooled my interest in optical media. ( I had planned to buy 3 or 4 or more - I have bought none after the initial unit. Now that mag. disks are approaching $1K/1GB and DAT tape drives are about $1K, are optical disks going to stay competative? ) Pinnacle has had a bad reputation among other vendors of optical systems for some time now. I'm glad to see that some of the (other) customers are starting to notice some of their shortcuts. ( Before it's TOO LATE! ) [(*) - note - For those of you who have not delved into this subject: ALL optical media and most/all high density mag tape storage is heavily dependant on Error Correcting Codes ( ECC ). However writing data with ECC can mask media problems, leaving no redundancy for later read faults to recover the data. The idea is to write the data, and then try to read it back using only HALF of the Error Correcting capacity ( reserving the other half for possible future deteriation of the media and transient conditions like dust and dirt. If the block reads back successfully, it is considered good. If it can't be read back with only half the ECC, then it is bad and it is revectored. ] =============================================================================== Steven D. Majewski University of Virginia sdm7g@Virginia.EDU Box 449 Health Sciences Center Voice: (804)-982-0831 1300 Jefferson Park Avenue FAX: (804)-982-1616 Charlottesville, VA 22908 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The above is, of course, NOT any official position of the University of Virginia. Although the Physiology Dept. DID consider suing Pinnacle, since the data WAS successfully restored, the damages were limited ( about 3-4 weeks time. ) and more time would have been needed in documenting the problem, etc. I know there are usually "fitness of use" disclaimers on all computer equipment and software, but I think their actions in this case ( not telling me about the media recall despite several problem reports ) may have bordered on willful negligence and/or fraud.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: saty@ntc.togliatti.su (Sergey A. TsYbanov) Subject: NeXT hardware will die... Message-ID: <AC2Atahih8@ntc.togliatti.su> Sender: news-server@ntc Organization: AutoVAZ Research & Development Centre Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 14:43:14 GMT Hi ! Thanks to all, who answed to my question. Best regards. ! iH p -- ******************* Is There Anybody Out There ? ********************** * SATY ( Sergey A. TsYbanov ). * * E-mail : saty@togliatti.su Phone : number +7 (8482) 378-17-53. * ***********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: antoine@arrakis.osd.ulaval.ca (Antoine Gautier) Subject: A different keyboard Message-ID: <1993Mar2.234658.28575@cerberus.ulaval.ca> Sender: news@cerberus.ulaval.ca Organization: Universite Laval Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 23:46:58 GMT Hello world, Just wondering if anyone has managed to plug a different keyboard on a non-turbo slab. Carpal tunnel syndrome is looming just over the mouse, and upgrading to a turbo+new NeXT keyboard is -- I heard -- impossible. Thks! -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Antoine Gautier | | Departement OSD, FSA | | Universite Laval, Quebec, PQ | +-------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 20:43:08 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar02.204308.9115@ksmith.uucp> References: <66j41kb@rpi.edu> <gc5rdts@zola.esd.sgi.com> <1993Mar1.090421.471@ica.philips.nl> In article <1993Mar1.090421.471@ica.philips.nl> adrie@ica.philips.nl (Adrie Koolen) writes: >In article <gc5rdts@zola.esd.sgi.com> olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes: >>Be careful. Pinnacle cheats to get their performance numbers, in the >>way they handle write commands. They return successful status as soon >>as the data is in their RAM buffer (and light a special blue LED >>until the data is flushed). SCSI allows for this, but the Pinnacle >>drive modesense command claims that they aren't doing it, so there >>is no (documented/standard) way to disable it. >> >>Sounds great, until you think if what might happen if there is >>a media error, and that 'successful' write never makes it to >>the media... > >It's all a matter of how certain you want to be. Looking at drives that >write the data to the disk before returning a GOOD status, do you think >that they have verified the data after it's been written and before >returning the GOOD status? If not, how can you be sure that the data >has been stored correctly? Better yet, Your on a single drive system & the write and AWRE *BOTH* fail, and stall the OS and tell it so. In fact your drive is tits-up. So now what are you going to do? In other words if your drive is dropping the ball writing data, unless you have a redundant system, your up the creek, buffered or not. You can't trust anything you have, It's time for a new drive & a backup tape. The only other worry would be Power failure. A UPS is the only way to go, and hell, if that fails, your whole system crashes, and your in deep doo-doo again. Finally nobody here looking at $1000 MO disks is gonna be doing any heavy duty database/journaling on the thing, because if you were, that is *NOT* the media you would want to use. You would want Fast WORM, TAPE, and RAID storage for that. I guess what I'm saying is, if that write is *THAT CRITICAL* to your operation, it better be on a redundant device of some sort, Either way I want the speed. I mean what are the odds your gonna lose some data if you beat your drive with a sledgehammer? -- Keith Smith uunet!ksmith!keith 5719 Archer Rd. Digital Designs BBS 1-919-423-4216 Hope Mills, NC 28348-2201 Somewhere in the Styx of North Carolina ...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: zeke@znext.cts.com (james dehnert) Subject: Does the 21 meg Floptical work on the next? Message-ID: <1993Mar2.205556.2577@znext.cts.com> Organization: pnet Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 20:55:56 GMT I have been thinking about purchasing a SCSI 21 megabyte "floptical" drive for my cube with some of my tax rerturn money, but I dont recall hearing if this drive will work on the next ( no info in the latest FAQ ) If you have this drive working on your system, please let me know how it works, and how well it deals with the regular floppies too. Zeke -- +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ =+\|/+= Eschew Obfuscation Next Mail Welcome =+\|/+= +=/|\=+ James "Zeke" Dehnert zeke@znext.cts.com +=/|\=+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: What is the max value for nbuf? In-Reply-To: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu's message of 2 Mar 1993 15:39:04 GMT To: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar2123420@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1mvv2oINNjla@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 16:34:20 GMT In article <1mvv2oINNjla@tamsun.tamu.edu> bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) writes: I know this subject has probably come up a number of times, but what is the maximum value of nbuf that I can specify on bootup? Is there a way to make it default? I know the ROM monitor only allows twelve characters, but I use something like this bsd sdmach nbuf=xxx Just looking for a good use for 48MB of RAM. 8-) Try configuring it like this: bsd- nbu=255. That works. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lupson@geom.umn.edu (Linus Upson) Subject: 486 Hardware Advice Message-ID: <C3BpHx.Fq8@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 17:20:18 GMT We tried to buy 2 color and 2 mono Turbos when we heard that NeXT would no longer be making hardware, but by the time we got a quote on the configurations we wanted and pushed a check through the purchasing department (about a week and a half total) all the machines were gone. So now I've got to buy some PCs and I'd like to know if this NeXTSTEP ready package from Dell is a good deal. Dell 450DE/2 DGX 32MB RAM UltraScan 17FS Monitor 1.44 & 1.2 Floppy Drives 700MB SCSI Drive Adeptic EISA SCSI Controller Etherlink III EISA, 32Bit DOS 5, Windows 3.1, Bus Mouse Shipping & Handling _____________________________ $7038.00 From looking at the Hardware compatibility guide this machine appears to be the only one with a decent size frame buffer (all the others only go to 1024x768), and frame buffer performance is one of our biggest concerns about PCs. I spent quite a bit of time on the phone with video board tech support people (the clone vendors themselves were completely unhelpful -- except for Dell which makes their own), but it seems to be impossible to tell which boards will do well under NeXTSTEP. I really don't want to buy hardware now, but we have to get a 486 for a conference in a few weeks, and I'd like to get a machine that can do NeXTSTEP later. We've already burnt hundreds of dollars of staff time trying to figure this out, and I may just go with a more expensive but safe (may not be the greatest, but won't be bad) machine. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Linus Upson The Geometry Center lupson@geom.umn.edu "Only now do you understand." -- The Emperor, Return of the Jedi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: Squeaky NLP Message-ID: <1993Mar3.181332.4978@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: UNC School of Law, CC for NeXT Computer, Inc. Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 18:13:32 GMT My Next Laser Printer is starting to sound as if there's a small mouse trapped inside. "Squeaky" (which is what I fondly call him), squeaks about every 1.5 seconds while paper is actually moving through the engine. Other than that, the printer still works just fine (the solid black Word Perfect pages which print out of their own volition now and again look particularly solid and black). Still, being a somewhat compulsive person, I feel compelled to oil something. I'm thinking of immersing the whole thing in WD-40. Is this a bad idea? Is it fair to "Squeaky"? Is there maybe a more rational way to lubricate the printer? All responses appreciated. Matthew -- matt stecker | This is my NeXT Computer NeXT Campus Consultant, | There are many like it, UNC School of Law | but this one is mine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: vrr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (veenu.r.rashid) Subject: Re: What is the max value for nbuf? Organization: AT&T Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 18:17:20 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar3.181720.432@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> References: <1mvv2oINNjla@tamsun.tamu.edu> <CEDMAN.93Mar2123420@capitalist.princeton.edu> In article <CEDMAN.93Mar2123420@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: >In article <1mvv2oINNjla@tamsun.tamu.edu> bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) writes: > I know this subject has probably come up a number of times, but > what is the maximum value of nbuf that I can specify on bootup? Is > there a way to make it default? I know the ROM monitor only allows > twelve characters, but I use something like this > bsd sdmach nbuf=xxx > > Just looking for a good use for 48MB of RAM. 8-) > >Try configuring it like this: bsd- nbu=255. That works. > > Carl Edman Just to add my two bits - this does not work. I try: bsd- nbu=64 (11 chars) and I get a message: cannot boot: drive not found or something like this. (BTW: someone *please* email me the default configuration) I have tried resetting it via the 'p' command in the monitor to bsd, bsd sdmach, bsd(0,0,0), b sd(0,0,0) all to no avail. The machine refuses to boot by itself on startup now. However, typing 'bsd- nbu=64' as a command works fine, as does 'bsd sdmach nbuf=64' Thanks, Veenu
Control: cancel <1993Mar3.181720.432@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: vrr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (veenu.r.rashid) Subject: cmsg cancel <1993Mar3.181720.432@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> Organization: AT&T Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 18:48:41 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar3.184841.1469@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> References: <1mvv2oINNjla@tamsun.tamu.edu> <CEDMAN.93Mar2123420@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1993Mar3.181720.432@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> Sender: vrr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (veenu.r.rashid) <1993Mar3.181720.432@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> was cancelled from within rn.
From: dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi Subject: Re: 128MB Optical Drives (Summary) Message-ID: <1993Mar3.183329.27381@ntg.com> Date: 3 Mar 93 18:33:29 GMT References: <66j41kb@rpi.edu> <1mshmaINNr61@mensa.usc.edu> <1msno9INNj3j@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc. Palo Alto CA In article <1msno9INNj3j@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: >I'm glad to see people are realizing the clever way Pinnacle gets their >access time. And this isn't the first time that Pinnacle has been "clever" in their advertising. The ads for their larger M/O disk (the REO-650, I think) claim that it is as fast as a typical Winchester hard disk, and quote a performance spec which would seem to justify this claim (19 ms seek time, I think). It's only when you read the VERY small print at the bottom of the ad that you find out that they're measuring the seek time via a "typical" one-third-stroke-plus-latency measure... but that they are limiting the measurement range to a 50-megabyte band on the platter. That's right... they're considering a "full stroke" to be one which covers only 50 megabytes out of a 300-and-some-megabyte surface. This is particularly significant when you consider that their drive uses a "split optic" head, which means that it is much faster at short strokes (it moves mirrors) than at long strokes (it moves the whole head assembly). My impression is that Pinnacle makes good equipment, but that they have a very bad habit of advertising performance figures which are misleading at best. I'm reluctant to deal with them, for this reason - I consider their approach to be rather dishonest. -- Dave Platt VOICE: (415) 813-8917 Domain: dplatt@ntg.com UUCP: ...netcomsv!ntg!dplatt USNAIL: New Technologies Group Inc. 2470 Embarcardero Way, Palo Alto CA 94303
From: bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 68040 serial port specs Date: 3 Mar 1993 21:53:11 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1n39c7INNm2f@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Hey, What is the max DTE rate on the serial port? > 38400bps? Thanks Jon
From: rock@pangea.com (Roger Rosner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Wanted: PPD file for HP LaserJet 4M printer Message-ID: <1993Mar3.044235.2950@pangea.com> Date: 3 Mar 93 04:42:35 GMT Sender: rock@pangea.com Organization: Pangea Corporation If anyone has the PPD (i.e., printer description) file for an HP LaserJet 4M printer (or knows where to get it), please let me know. I downloaded the one from sonata, but the 600 dpi version seems to be corrupted. Thanks. Roger
From: Lyle_Seaman@transarc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Re: Can the computer turn on/off a SCSI disk by itself? Message-ID: <AfYsyOH0BwxI4K1XFV@transarc.com> Date: 2 Mar 93 16:47:22 GMT References: <1muuj6INN5cc@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA In-Reply-To: <1muuj6INN5cc@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Yes, the computer can turn a SCSI disk off by itself. Also, some disks have inactivity timers built into them, and will spin down independently, and then spin up when they are told to by the host. In every disk I've seen (which supports this feature), this behavior can be controlled by a jumper on the disk drive. Check out the data sheet.
From: infidel+@CMU.EDU (Charles William Swiger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What is the max value for nbuf? Message-ID: <0fYtMQS00WB5BmRrNO@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 2 Mar 93 17:15:08 GMT Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA In-Reply-To: <1mvv1pINNjkt@tamsun.tamu.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 2-Mar-93 What is the max value for n.. by Bryan Milligan@kolsky.ta > I know this subject has probably come up a number of times, but > what is the maximum value of nbuf that I can specify on bootup? Is > there a way to make it default? I know the ROM monitor only allows > twelve characters, but I use something like this > bsd sdmach nbuf=xxx Enter the hardware monitor. Hit 'p' to adjust the configuration parameters. It will respond "Boot command: <something>? " Enter "sd- nbu=xxx", where xxx is a number less than 256. > Just looking for a good use for 48MB of RAM. 8-) Nice amount of system memory, there... -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
From: kramer@fragile.UUCP (Mike Andrews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Old Seagate ST296N hard drive crashes slab?... Distribution: world Message-ID: <731229004snx@fragile.UUCP> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 93 07:10:04 GMT Organization: Terminal Frost Has anyone ever tried hooking a Seagate ST296N drive to a NeXT slab? This is a sort-of-old 5.25" half height 80 meg drive (old enough to use a stepping motor instead of a voice coil -- and therefore loud) Having this drive hooked up causes seemingly random system crashes -- I'll be merrily typing away in a Terminal window, and commands will quit responding, then 5 seconds later, characters stop echoing; 10 more seconds later, I've got the spinning wheel cursor and can't even move ANY windows around. Cmd-Cmd-`-"halt" does no good; doing it twice will work, albeit with the file system left a mess... The system crashes again within 5-10 minutes of a reboot; sometimes even when it's still in the middle of logging in, sometime after I've gone back to work on something. Sometimes though, the machine runs for several hours without a hitch, even with some pretty thorough bashing of the ill drive... This drive is in an external case along with a Seagate ST1239N, which is a 3.5" 200 meg drive, and in appearance could pass for a twin of the slab's internal 400 meg drive (ST1480N? can't remember, but it's yet another Seagate) The termination seems OK -- I have a resistor plug on one of the Centronics plugs on the case, and not on one of the drives. The working 200 megger is SCSI ID 2, the ailing 80 megger is SCSI ID 3. The system crashes completely disappear when I simply unplug the 80 megger's drive cable -- so that would indicate cabling/termination is all OK... My guess is that the ST296N is just plain ol' too ancient to work... :-) However, if anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Mail responses to kramer@wittenberg.edu or root%fragile.uucp@ms.uky.edu and I'll summarize if anyone wants... Thanks much! -- Mike Andrews school... kramer@wittenberg.edu (or kramer@wittenbg.bitnet) bedroom... root@fragile.uucp [NeXTmail OK here] hometown... kramer@mik.uky.edu
From: infidel+@CMU.EDU (Charles William Swiger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Re: What is the max value for nbuf? Message-ID: <wfZFe7u00YUoI8mtVj@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: 3 Mar 93 10:52:23 GMT Article-I.D.: andrew.wfZFe7u00YUoI8mtVj Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA In-Reply-To: <1993Mar3.181720.432@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 3-Mar-93 Re: What is the max value f.. by veenu.r.rashid@cbnewsj.c > Just to add my two bits - this does not work. I try: > > bsd- nbu=64 (11 chars) > > and I get a message: > > cannot boot: drive not found > > or something like this. (BTW: someone *please* email me the default > configuration) I have tried resetting it via the 'p' command in the > monitor to bsd, bsd sdmach, bsd(0,0,0), b sd(0,0,0) all to no avail. > > The machine refuses to boot by itself on startup now. > > However, typing 'bsd- nbu=64' as a command works fine, as does > 'bsd sdmach nbuf=64' My apologies if this does not show up as quickly as I'd like (CMU's news machines are having problems, and falling a day or so behind....) You type "bsd- nbu=64" at the monitor prompt, which means "boot" with boot command "sd- nbu=64". To set the boot command permenently, set "boot command: <foo-bar>? " to "sd- nbu=xxx" using the 'p' command at the monitor prompt. -Chuck (posted 3:40EST 3/3/93) Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: sergej@diku.dk (S|ren Oskar Jensen) Subject: Re: Wanted: PPD file for HP LaserJet 4M printer Message-ID: <1993Mar4.141731.5338@odin.diku.dk> Sender: sergej@tyr.diku.dk Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 14:17:31 GMT References: <1993Mar3.044235.2950@pangea.com> Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen rock@pangea.com (Roger Rosner) writes: >If anyone has the PPD (i.e., printer description) file for an HP LaserJet >4M printer (or knows where to get it), please let me know. I downloaded >the one from sonata, but the 600 dpi version seems to be corrupted. >Thanks. >Roger I have a corrected version (I simply used the code from the 330 dpi PPD file). I'll try to place it on sonata tomorrow (friday). Sergej
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: Re: 68040 serial port specs Message-ID: <1993Mar4.190915.7751@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <1n39c7INNm2f@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 19:09:15 GMT 38,400 bps for 25 mhz 68040s. 57,600 bps for 33 mhz 68040s. You can go faster using the DSP serial port and special hardware available from a third party. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies In article <1n39c7INNm2f@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes: > Hey, > What is the max DTE rate on the serial port? > 38400bps? > > Thanks > > Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (SYSTEM 0PERATOR) Subject: Question Message-ID: <Ly9wZB1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com (MadNuG BBS General Account) Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 04:28:44 GMT Howdy, I should know this, but I don't remember. Is it possible to run only external HD's on a 68040 25MHz cube. Essentially, I want to slam an optical into the cube, but it won't fit with the full height HD. Can I place the HD on the external chain and just place the optical inside? Thanks! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) Subject: Procomm MTB2900 1.3 GB HD SCSI 2 Message-ID: <C3EKBA.ACq@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Summary: will it work Keywords: SCSI 2 Hard Drive external Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 06:21:09 GMT I have a 1.3 GB Procomm Technologies MTB 2900 external SCSI 2 hard drive. Has anybody had any luck using this HD with NeXTs ? When I do a BuildDisk it identifies it as a Seagate ST3400 (or something) but then fails. Any clues ?
From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.isdn,andi.dcom,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Looking for ISDN BRI users (preferably using NeXTSTEP OS) Keywords: ISDN,BRI,NeXTSTEP,ANDI,TA Message-ID: <C3EpxH.8E1@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: 5 Mar 93 08:22:29 GMT Sender: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International ANDI has been using BRI ISDN on a limited basis since August 1992. We are looking for people to help us conduct "trials" for a study we are doing. We would like to hear from anyone who has BRI ISDN installed that would be willing to allow us to call them and for them to call us. This is a data application, but we are interested in how one can set up a voice call and transmit data. Ideal candidates would be NeXTSTEP users and be using MCI, our long distance carrier. We are particulary interested in those NeXTSTEP users who purchased the Hayes ISDN Extender, anyone using the Hayes ISDN Adapter, anyone using the UDS TA120, and anyone who is using or about to buy the new Adtran ISU 128. -- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, MD 20901-2730 reply to: bill@andi.org -- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: SCSI problems with Canon IX-30F scanner Message-ID: <18809@umd5.umd.edu> Date: 5 Mar 93 15:32:38 GMT Sender: news@umd5.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Hi, We have a Canon IX-30F (ROM Rev. 1.03) scanner on our mono. NeXTstation Turbo. We get the following error messages on boot up: s0(5,1) ERROR op:0x0 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,1) ERROR op:0x12 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,2) ERROR op:0x0 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,2) ERROR op:0x12 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,3) ERROR op:0x0 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,3) ERROR op:0x12 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,4) ERROR op:0x0 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,4) ERROR op:0x12 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,5) ERROR op:0x0 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,5) ERROR op:0x12 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,6) ERROR op:0x0 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,6) ERROR op:0x12 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,7) ERROR op:0x0 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 s0(5,7) ERROR op:0x12 sd_state: 4 SCSI status: 0x2 When the scanner is on, it will eventually lock up the hard drive. When it is off, the system works great. Here's what's on the system: SCSI 1: Seagate ST3283N SCSI 2: Fujitsu M2266S-1024 SCSI 3: MOST RMD-520 O-S SCSI 4: Sony CD-ROM CDU-541 SCSI 5: Canon IX-30F Now, I've tried stripping the system down to a miniumum, and even moved the scanner's SCSI ID to last as NeXTConnection suggested. However, it still hangs the system. We sent the scanner back to NeXTConnection, thinking it was defective, but they sent it back, saying that these messages were normal(!). Does anyone else out there have a IX-30F, and if so, do you get these messages? Thanks, Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: vanessa@quay.ie (Vanessa McGovern) Subject: Slab in trouble : problem located Summary: Problem with slab is power supply Message-ID: <5Mar.140008.23118@quay.ie> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 14:00:08 GMT Organization: Quay Financial Software Keywords: NeXT Thanks everyone for the advice on our broken slab. I got loads of replys all suggesting that I take the battery out to discharge the capacitors. Good try but it didn't work. We found out that the power supply is dead (by swapping with the one from another machine). Thanks -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vanessa Mc Govern Internet: vanessa@quay.ie Quay Financial Software Phone : +353-1-612377 Fax: +353-1-607592
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: steggie!eric (Eric Fronberg) Subject: Femi 17" Color displays (N4001) Message-ID: <1993Mar5.150553.2940@steggie.mtview.ca.us> Sender: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us Organization: Mountain View, Ca USA Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 15:05:53 GMT Can the original NeXT N4001 17" color monitor (Femi) be used with any other systems other than NeXT's? I understand that the Femi monitor was tweaked/designed to accommodate NeXT's particular scan rate. What other systems might it be compatible with? If the monitor can be used with other systems (mac's IBM's, Sun's ...) What if anything needs to be done to adjust the monitor to get it to work properly? Thanks -- eric -------------------------------------------------------------- | Eric Fronberg | email: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us | | Mountain View CA | ...!{sun,sgi,ultra}!steggie!eric | | 415 967-2748 | vmail: "Hey, you!" | --------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: Penn State University Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 14:55:43 EST From: <RXM40@psuvm.psu.edu> Message-ID: <93064.145544RXM40@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: memory info needed I am pulling simm's out of a NeXT turbo color and I was wondering what other systems it would be compatible with. I have a Macintosh, Zenith, and a Sparc10.. will it work with any of these? ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Roderick Murchison, Jr. | rxm40@psuvm.psu.edu | | Microcomputer Systems Consultant | 17 Willard Building | | Center for Academic Computing | (814) 863-4356 <office> | | Penn State University | (814) 867-1999 <home> | ------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: CD ROM spindown? Message-ID: <1993Mar5.222515.2911@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 22:25:15 GMT Is there a command I can issue to the NeXT CD-ROM drive to cause it to stop spinning when unused? I'd like to write a cron job/script to do this when it's not being used. As an alternative, can I just turn it off while it's not in use? I've done this successfully a few times, and it does not seen to have an adverse impact on anything else, but I cringe whenever I do it. Justified? Matthew Stecker --
From: jengelha@nic.gac.edu (Jeff Engelhardt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cube for sale Keywords: 68040 cube 16/660 Message-ID: <1n8o22INNhjf@news.gac.edu> Date: 5 Mar 93 23:34:25 GMT Article-I.D.: news.1n8o22INNhjf Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College Hello, The subject pretty much says it all; 16M RAM / 660M HDD cube for sale. It also has an optical drive. If you are interested, make an offer. Thank you Jeff Engelhardt -- ========= Jeff Engelhardt jengelha@gac.edu <- NeXTMail Welcome jengelha@vax2.gac.edu =========
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What is the max value for nbuf? Message-ID: <1993Mar5.202815.1526@yvax.byu.edu> From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke) Date: 5 Mar 93 20:28:15 -0700 References: <wfZFe7u00YUoI8mtVj@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <wfZFe7u00YUoI8mtVj@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >To set the boot command permenently, set "boot command: <foo-bar>? " to >"sd- nbu=xxx" using the 'p' command at the monitor prompt. NeXT BOOT COMMANDS ARE A ROYAL PAIN! ..er, sorry. Look, where I work, to boot off of another NeXT via ethernet, and *still* use 254 buffers, we need the command: ben mach nbuf=254 because "ben -nbu=254" doesn't work! As a result, we need no less than 16 characters. Of course, NeXT's autoboot doesn't allow more than 12, so we must enter the stupid thing in manually every time we turn the machine on. If anyone can give me an under-12-character en command that *does* work with buffers, I'd be most appreciative. -- Sean Luke Brigham Young University MILK: It Comes From Cows sean@digaudio.byu.edu NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
From: blake@tewa.santafe.edu (Blake LeBaron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: large screen display Keywords: display, nextstation Message-ID: <1n993u$ncm@tierra.santafe.ede> Date: 6 Mar 93 04:25:34 GMT Article-I.D.: tierra.1n993u$ncm Organization: The Santa Fe Institute Does anyone have experience connecting a Nextstation/Turbo to a large screen video display? I need some information on how to do this. Also, I have heard that it is easier to connect a color station to a standard video display, but I don't know if this is true. Blake LeBaron blake@tewa.santafe.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: page.Princeton.EDU!djdobson (Daniel Jeffery Dobson) Subject: Why shouldn't I use an Apple Printer with my NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Mar6.084054.20818@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1993 08:40:54 GMT Hey, fellow NeXT folk-- I'm considering buying a LaserWriter IIg for my TurboStation 24/250. The System Admin guide is somewhat cryptic about hooking up machines--my old 2.0 manual makes some mention of pinouts and using null-modem cables to hook it up, but I can't make a lot of sense of it. I want a LaserWriter since Apple is unlikely to sell their hardware line spontaneously (grumble bitch moan oh-my-slab-just-lost-a-lot-of- resale-value), there are lots of local Apple dealers, and I can get a moderately good price on one. Actually, on second look, I'd have to modify that to a LaserWriter NTR or LaserWriter Select 310. Something like that. In any case, I would like someone or some folk to either disuade me from making this grevious error or pat me on the back and tell me I'm begin remarkably intelligent since I'm buying into a stable hardware line. So why or why not would I do this move? I'm a student, I print stuff every other day or so, but never in vast quantities--mostly envelopes, papers, problem sets and such. Has anyone had any trouble connecting an Apple PostScript printer to a NeXT? (Yes, most likely) Are the cables easy to come by, or do I have to build them myself? Does it print quickly, or does it keep crashing if you use wacky fonts or large files? Can I get rid of the startup page without resorting to borrowing my girlfriend's Mac and setting it with LaserWriter font utility? If this is on the FAQ for printers, I'm very sorry; I've looked everywhere for the FAQ lists and can't find them. Later, Wolff djdobson@phoenix.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: petcher@howdy.wustl.edu (Donald N. Petcher) Subject: DAT and 128Mb optical drives for the NeXT - compatibility? Message-ID: <1993Mar7.024014.26328@wuphys.wustl.edu> Sender: usenet@wuphys.wustl.edu (USENET) Organization: Physics Dept, Washington U in St Louis Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 02:40:14 GMT What does it take for a DAT drive and an optical drive (128Mb 3.5" variety) to work with a NeXT? I am interested in both, and have noticed that in particular the ones being sold as Macintosh compatible have pretty good prices. (MacDirect sells each at about the $1000-$1100 mark.) Would these work? Related questions: Are ALL 3.5" opticals diskwise compatible? (I saw one ad that explicit mentions "single-sided" 128Mb optical, which made me wonder...). Is there a reliablity question here? Does anyone have a recommendation for a good source for either of these drives to use with a NeXT (Turbo monichrome NS)? Please email unless you think what you have to say is of general interest. I'll pass on info to anyone who wants it. Cheers, Don Petcher petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu petcher@howdy.wustl.edu
From: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Why shouldn't I use an Apple Printer with my NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Mar7.025414.5926@netcom.com> Date: 7 Mar 93 02:54:14 GMT References: <1993Mar6.084054.20818@Princeton.EDU> Sender: yikes@netcom.com (Jenny Doll) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) >Actually, on second look, I'd have to modify that to a LaserWriter NTR or >LaserWriter Select 310. Something like that. In any case, I would like >someone or some folk to either disuade me from making this grevious error or >pat me on the back and tell me I'm begin remarkably intelligent since I'm >buying into a stable hardware line. >So why or why not would I do this move? >Has anyone had any trouble connecting an Apple PostScript printer to a NeXT? >(Yes, most likely) Are the cables easy to come by, or do I have to build them >myself? Does it print quickly, or does it keep crashing if you use wacky fonts Wolff: I have my NeXT hooked up to a LaserWriter and it works reasonably well. In 2.x, NS wouldn't automatically download fonts with your document - you had to do it manually... with 3.0, NS downloads fonts for you. However, since you have a serial connection, printing speed is a major drag. Right now I'm at 19.2Kpbs (compared to 3-5Mbps for the NeXT printer) and it's slow, slow, slow for bitmap graphics. For primarily text/PostScript docs it's not so bad. I've also had some communications problems which made my printer very unhappy. I'd say overall it's not a really good solution if you're spitting out lots of pages. If you only print out a dozen or so pages a day and they're not too bitmap-py, it's quite workable. Note that if you plan on running NS486, then use a parallel connection and printing speeds will be great. BTW, the cable you need is an ImageWriter I cable. ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) -- ----
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 68040 serial port specs Date: 7 Mar 1993 04:00:12 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1nbs0cINN6kf@ni.umd.edu> References: <1n39c7INNm2f@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> <1993Mar4.190915.7751@hot.com> In article <1993Mar4.190915.7751@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: >38,400 bps for 25 mhz 68040s. 57,600 bps for 33 mhz 68040s. Note that for the new serial speeds that were made available in the 3.0 release of NeXTSTEP, the kernel tty drivers are broken, and will use completely inappropriate values for computing buffering parameters for the tty clist high and low water marks. If it doesn't seem to be working as well as you hoped, well, there is a reason. > You can >go faster using the DSP serial port and special hardware available >from a third party. This would be from Yrrid, Inc and is the TTYDSP product. I've got one, and it seems to work real well. Will go *real* *damn* *fast* with all of the tty driver processing done in the DSP. Pretty cool. Louis Mamakos
From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: INTERNAL HD RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SLAB? Date: 6 Mar 1993 19:37:57 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: na Message-ID: <1nauil$1d3@agate.berkeley.edu> Any recommendations for a cool-running, quiet, (blazing speed not an issue) hard-drive in the 850 to 1.2G category for internal mono-turbo-slab use? Thanks in advance for your assistance. -John-
From: johnw@cat.cs.wisc.edu (John Wardale) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Summary of Slab prices [READ THIS if buying/selling] Message-ID: <1993Mar6.220947.4643@cs.wisc.edu> Date: 6 Mar 93 22:09:47 GMT References: <1nauil$1d3@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Distribution: na Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. I just "collected" all the "slabs for sale" offers for the past week or less and I figured y'all might like to see the results: [I did this with rn (thru modem) and Edit (local). I do NOT have any of the original postings.] mono(25) 8/105 + Math,Frame,SW [NS 2.1] + Printer = $3700 mono(25) 8/105 + SW + Printer = $3995 mono(25) 20/105 + Math,WP +CD + 670Fuji = $4500/obo color(25) 16/105 + Math + SW + Printer +CD + 680Fuji + misc = offer color(33) & mono(33) NEW + warranty = offer & offer color (25) 20/400 + SW + Printer = $5000 or trade Printer = $950, $1000, CD-drive = $500, $550 color(33) 16/400 (sony) = $9500 (Canada) color(33) 16/250 + Math = $6767 color(25) 16/400 = $5200 color(25) 12/400 + Math,SW = $5000 color(25) 16/400 = $4500 mono (25) 16/400 +Math,SW = $4500 color(25) 16/400 = $4500 (shipping included) mono (33) 16/400 = $4400 color(25) 16/400 = $4000 color(25) 16/400 (3/92)= $4000 mono (33) 16/250 + SW = $3600 mono (25) 20/105 + Math,WP = $3100 mono (25) 8/210 + Math = $2800 mono (25) 20/245 + Math,Frame,Ill,PC = $2700 mono (25) 8|20/105 = $2250 | $2700 [Math == Mathmatica, SW = 2 to 5 major packages, usually incuding Imporv] [All but one system includes NeXT STEP 3.0] Happy Shopping -- JoHN (johnw@cs.wisc.edu -- This is *NOT* a NeXT, but it IS on THE "net"! John Wardale NeXT-Mail readable if kermit'ed home.) To err is human, to really foul up world news requires the net!
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What happens to NeXTedge? Or my system when it breaks? Date: 7 Mar 1993 23:44:21 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1neiv5INN7qu@access.digex.com> So now that the NeXT hardware is looking pretty dead (hard to say what Canon will do however)... what happens to the NeXTedge program? And what if my machine dies, can I get replacement boards or fixes? Kinda scarey. - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Squeaky NLP Message-ID: <1993Mar5.124649.501@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X References: <1993Mar3.181332.4978@mattcube> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1993 12:46:49 GMT In article <1993Mar3.181332.4978@mattcube> matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) writes: > > My Next Laser Printer is starting to sound as if there's a small mouse trapped > inside. "Squeaky" (which is what I fondly call him), squeaks about every 1.5 > seconds while paper is actually moving through the engine. > > Other than that, the printer still works just fine (the solid black Word > Perfect pages which print out of their own volition now and again look > particularly solid and black). > Mine is speaky from the beginning. Seems to be a feature :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de Mein liebster Grabspruch: Hier ruhen meine Beine, ich wollt, es waeren Deine! ------------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Message-ID: <sfaau1i00WB54ACEwF@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 16:52:01 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: What is the max value for nbuf? In-Reply-To: <1993Mar5.202815.1526@yvax.byu.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 6-Mar-93 Re: What is the max value f.. by Sean Luke@endor.byu.edu > NeXT BOOT COMMANDS ARE A ROYAL PAIN! I agree, but they're really not any different than most other Unix boxes in that regard. Putzing around with the boot command on a Sun or a DEC isn't any easier. > ..er, sorry. Look, where I work, to boot off of another NeXT via ethernet, > and *still* use 254 buffers, we need the command: > > ben mach nbuf=254 > > because "ben -nbu=254" doesn't work! As a result, we need no less than 16 > characters. Of course, NeXT's autoboot doesn't allow more than 12, so we > must enter the stupid thing in manually every time we turn the machine on. If you set the boot command (via 'p' in the monitor) to "ben -nbu=254" then I agree that it will not work. This is because the letter 'b' at the monitor prompt tells the machine to boot using the *rest* of the command line as the boot command. The actual boot command shouldn't start with 'b'. > If anyone can give me an under-12-character en command that *does* work > with buffers, I'd be most appreciative. Try setting the boot command to this string: "en- nbu=254", without the leading 'b' and with the hyphen right next to the 'n'. The hyphen is used to indicate that the rest of the command line consists of kernel flags to set, not a name of a kernel file to boot with. I just tried this on my machine, and it seems to do the right thing. Hopefully, this will help.... -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
From: jhs3478@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jeffery H. Stephens) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Problems w/ faxing on my new modem Date: 8 Mar 1993 02:19:16 -0600 Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1nevi4INNm95@tamsun.tamu.edu> I bought a new modem today and I have connected to several different machines so I know the DATA transmission is working properly, but I can't get it to fax! I figured since it was a Class 2 modem, it might work with the driver supplied in NS2.1, but so far...no such luck. I know NeXT doesn't like many modems (or Mac cables...which I use) but I figured mine MIGHT work. Here are some specs: EIA Class 2 Compatible Group 3 Compatible 9600 send & receive Fully Hayes Compatible It's a "Turbo Modem Plus" made by The Complete PC, Inc. I configured it w/ PrintManager as a Standard Class 2. My only options were that & Interfax. When I try to fax somthing it won't even dial the modem! After a minute or so, I get a "fax software failure" dialogue box that pops up. Do I need a different fax modem driver? ...or is it hopeless? Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. Thanx in advance, jeff jeffs@tamu.edu (No NeXT mail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) Subject: Imagewriter?? was Re: Why shouldn't I use an Apple Printer with my NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Mar7.224524.10109@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University References: <1993Mar6.084054.20818@Princeton.EDU> <1993Mar7.025414.5926@netcom.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 22:45:24 GMT In article <1993Mar7.025414.5926@netcom.com> yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) writes: > >BTW, the cable you need is an ImageWriter I cable. Ah, this brings up something I'm thinking of doing. I just got a NeXTstation and the only printer I have is an Imagewriter 1 I was using on my MacPlus... What all would be involved in getting the NeXT to print on it? Thanks, JT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HELP! Cannot mount optical disk!! Message-ID: <1nf1gnINN7c8@shelley.u.washington.edu> From: strobel@stein.u.washington.edu (Nicolas Strobel) Date: 8 Mar 1993 08:52:39 GMT Organization: University of Washington Keywords: optical disk super-block Summary: bad super-block prevents mounting of OD Help! I cannot get an optical disk filled with research data/programs to mount! In the console I get this error: od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 8 phys block 63448 (8114:0:8). Block 8 is a super-block. Using fsck with the alternate super-block 16 brings up a number of blocks above block #151264 that it cannot read. After responding yes to all of the proposed changes fsck suggested (what else could I do?) it indicated the number of files used and free (at end of phase 5) it said that it could not write to block 8. Repeated attempts with fsck turned up the same blocks not being read. The OD still will not mount and I cannot access any of the files. Is there a way to tell the mount command to use a different super-block? Is there any way I can repair block 8 phys block 63448? Please, please let me know!! Nick Strobel strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tor@geomatic.no (Tor Langballe) Subject: NeXT Computers for sale in Europe Message-ID: <TOR.93Mar8135329@dolly.geomatic.no> Sender: meyer@geomatic.no (Harald Meyer) Organization: Geomatic a.s, Norway. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 12:53:29 GMT Sorry for posting this on hardware, but I' can't access the market group... Two NeXT Computers for sale A: Brand New Color Turbo NeXTStation 32 MB RAM 250 MB Hard Disk The New 17" Monitor ADB Keyboard USA Starting Point Kit SoundBox NeXTStep 3.0 B: 25MHz NeXTStation Mono 8 Mb RAM 200 MB Hard Disk Mono Screen USA Starting Point Kit NeXTStep 3.0 NeXT CD-ROM Drive with SCSI 2-1 cable Framemaker 2.0 Lotus Improv WordPerfect For sale preferably all at once for 10.500 US $ contact: tor@geomatic.no O --------------------------O ! Tor Langballe ! ! day : +47 2 50 43 30 ! ! nite : +47 2 44 96 39 ! ! fax : +47 2 50 05 55 ! ! net : tor@geomatic.no ! ! space: Eckersbergsgate 31 ! ! 0266 OSLO 2 Norway ! O---------------------------O -- O --------------------------O------------------------------------------------O ! Tor Langballe ! Yesterday I logged out of cyberspace and went ! ! day : +47 2 50 43 30 ! for a walk. I got run over by a bus. Luckily ! ! nite : +47 2 44 96 39 ! I was in a nested, double log-in session. ! ! fax : +47 2 50 05 55 ! ! ! net : tor@geomatic.no ! ! ! space: Eckersbergsgate 31 ! ! ! 0266 OSLO 2 Norway ! ! O---------------------------!------------------------------------------------O
From: d91-han@ludd.luth.se (Andersson Henrik) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Has anyone tried to use a NeXT MO-drive with an other computer ? Message-ID: <1993Mar8.133337.792@ludd.luth.se> Date: 8 Mar 93 13:33:37 GMT Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd I'm thinking of getting a NeXT magnetooptical drive (2x256MB) to my Amiga, PC or Macintosh and wounder if I need any specific software for the drive or does it work at all ? d91-han@ludd.luth.se or d91-han@sm.luth.se /Henrik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: t89djo@tdb.uu.se (David Jonsson) Subject: Alternate devices on 030 cube Message-ID: <1993Mar8.141318.11630@tdb.uu.se> Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 14:13:18 GMT I wonder if I can build a computer from just a 030 board. I need to know where to apply voltage and what kind (if there are any) of monitors, mice and keyboards I can use. Can the card be put in a popular PC housing maybe? David -- David Jonsson Voice&Fax +46-18-24 51 52 P.O Box 353 Postal giro 499 40 54-7 S-751 06 UPPSALA Internet E-mail t89djo@tdb.uu.se SWEDEN
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ali@engr.ucf.edu (Ali Sidani) Subject: For Sale Mono 8/200 Message-ID: <1993Mar9.003559.13552@cs.ucf.edu> Sender: news@cs.ucf.edu (News system) Organization: engineering, University of Central Florida, Orlando Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 00:35:59 GMT Hi, I have a Mono NeXTStation 8/200 for sale. Asking $2750+shipping. Monitor is 2mo old (very sharp). Thanks Please reply to tas@engr.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: death@kira.net.netcom.com (David John Burrowes) Subject: Info wanted re: HP Desk printers Message-ID: <1993Mar9.022840.314@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: death@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 02:28:40 GMT I know one can attach a DeskJet to a NeXT computer, but does anyone know if one can attach a DeskWriter? Put another way, is there any significant difference, as far as the command set used to control the printer, goes? I'm not too concerned about cabling differences, since I'm sure those can be overcome. (I'm kinda looking for a printer I can use with my old Mac, when need demands, as well as my NeXT) \david john burrowes death@kira.net.netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: arnim@umn.edu (Arnim Walter Sauerbier) Subject: Display Postscript Coprocessors Message-ID: <C3Lyq0.L6G@news2.cis.umn.edu> Summary: Why doesn't somebody mfg a display postscript graphics card? Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 06:15:34 GMT Is it just me, or does the client/server model in display postscript seem to be CRYING for a graphics processor to interpret the drawing commands? I did an internship at Artist Graphics a couple of summers ago, and I got to write some demo-software for their high-speed PC graphics adapters. They 're a cheap way to turn a fast pc into a serious graphics workstation. Why didn't NeXT ever develop/subcontract a graphics coprocessor? What do you think of the idea of designing a Display Postscript graphics card for PC's running NeXTStep? _\\\/ = ..' . . . . Arnim Sauerbier . . C \) arnim@delbrueck.med.umn.edu \ -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Info wanted re: HP Desk printers Message-ID: <C3M5x8.IA5@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Mar9.022840.314@kira.net.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 08:51:07 GMT In article <1993Mar9.022840.314@kira.net.netcom.com> death@kira.net.netcom.com (David John Burrowes) writes: >I know one can attach a DeskJet to a NeXT computer, but does anyone know >if one can attach a DeskWriter? Put another way, is there any significant >difference, as far as the command set used to control the printer, goes? >I'm not too concerned about cabling differences, since I'm sure those can >be overcome. There is no driver for the DeskWriter, and they are very diffrent. The DJ uses PCL, which is not used in the DW (which is sort of a "Quickdraw Printer"). > >(I'm kinda looking for a printer I can use with my old Mac, when need >demands, as well as my NeXT) One solution is Tscript (which I'm trying to track down) on the Mac. This will make the DW appear to be a Postscript printer. The network the two computers and get uPrint. At that point the DW will be a LW to the NeXT. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: aki!wegmann (Frank Wegmann) Subject: New Apple Keyboard at NeXT machines? Message-ID: <1993Mar7.173516.1380@aki.en.open.de> Sender: wegmann@aki.en.open.de Organization: Private/FRG Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1993 17:35:16 GMT I wonder, if it is possible to use the new ergonomic keyboard from Apple. It should be because NeXT now also uses ADB. My question is: Has anybody actually gained any experience with that keyboard and what about the different layouts? Frank +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Frank Wegmann voice : +49 231 710 439 Schleppbahnstr.10 InterNet : wegmann@aki.en.open.de (NeXT Mail) W-4600 Dortmund 50 AppleLink: WEGMANN.F (occasionally) +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
From: nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Please recommend me the BEST modem for the NeXT Date: 9 Mar 1993 14:24:46 GMT Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University Sender: Paul Nevai Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ni9be$4vp@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> Originator: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu Right now I use 2 Telebit 2500's in PEP mode from my home Mac to my work CUBE. This setup is now almost 4 years old. Still works at 19,200 though kermit downloads aren't as fast as I wish they were. They are also pretty reliable as long as I use them together. Dialing into other modems from my Mac is much less reliable though. When I bought them they very very expensive ($1300 or so). I understand that prices came down quite a bit since then. Can you recommend any better (faster and more reliable) modems for a Mac to CUBE setup? Also, would it be a good investemnt for me to get the latest ROMs for my present Telebits? Please respond by email. Thanks. Take care...Paul Paul Nevai nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu Dept Math - Ohio State University 1-614-292-3317 (Office) Columbus, Ohio 43210-1174, U.S.A. 1-614-292-1479 (Math Dept Fax)
From: yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu (Yadin Y. Goldschmidt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: second scsi disk - help Message-ID: <5520@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 9 Mar 93 15:23:37 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu I have connected to my Nextstation running 3.0 a second hard drive (dec 1 gB). I have encountered several problems: 1. Following the instructions I added an item in /etc/fstab however the system ignored it and did not mount the disk where I specified but created a directory with the disk label and mounted it there. The files were owned by the person logging on first. Only when I deleted the 'noauto' option in fstab did the system mount the disk where I wanted. What is the correct way to mount the disk? 2. There is no recycler on the second disk and if I try to recycle something I get a warning that it be destroyed. How can I create a recycler? Note that I put the system files on this disk just in case I will need in the future to boot from it, but I do not use it now as a boot disk. 3. I tried to move a user home directory to the second disk by changing his home directory with User manager and copying his files there. But when he tried to log on from the console, instead of his home icon there was a box with a question mark inside. Also preferences does not seem to work properly for example unix expert mode does not take effect. Can anybody help me how to overcome these difficulties? Is it a problem with the drive? with the system? What am I doing wrong? Thank you in advance yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: How good are DeskJets on theNeXT? Message-ID: <1993Mar9.183902.14896@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 18:39:02 GMT I'm wanting to get a printer for my NeXT, and I am wondering how good the DeskJets are under NS3.0. How many pages per minute (or minutes per page!), how good does the output look? Ever have any sort of problems at all? Thanks in advance, --Glenn Brown
From: jleon@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Juan Leon Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ptitulo Date: 9 Mar 93 20:43:56 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <jleon.731709836@mtecv2> e -- Juan Leon Rodriguez Voice: (52-83) 582-000 ext 4074 ITESM Campus Monterrey Fax : (52-83) 692-004 Computer Technology Department Internet: jleon@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx NeXT Systems Support Assistant NextMail: jleon@roxette.mty.itesm.mx -- Juan Leon Rodriguez Voice: (52-83) 582-000 ext 4074 ITESM Campus Monterrey Fax : (52-83) 692-004 Computer Technology Department Internet: jleon@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx NeXT Systems Support Assistant NextMail: jleon@roxette.mty.itesm.mx
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: HP HDs? Message-ID: <1993Mar9.222254.27700@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1993 22:22:54 GMT Anyone successfully using an HP97549T100 1 GB 5.25" HD? A campus user is getting some strange SCSI errors with one. Thanks. -- Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT CD players -- do they work on Suns? Date: 9 Mar 1993 22:41:38 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nj6f2INNh9u@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> I saw a number of posts on this a few months ago, but I didn't read them because it wasn't relevant to me then. But now it is. Will the NeXT CD player work on a Sun (a SPARC 10 to be exact)? -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: **HSD SALE CONTINUES!!--EXTENDED TO MARCH 31** Message-ID: <1993Mar8.195038.5372@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 19:50:38 GMT Many customers have called to let us know that they only saw the post about our sale after it had already ended. Likely story..., but we've decided to extended the sale anyway. So here are the Winter Sale prices once again, avaialble now through March 31, 1993. HSD WINTER SALE UP TO 70% OFF RETAIL PRICES HARDWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Scan-X Professional(w/PowerScan) $1495- $1095- Scan-X Color(w/PowerScan) $1995- $1495- Scan-X DP20(w/Electrophile) $5995 $4495- Auto Document Feeder $449- $349- SOFTWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Simon Says $295- $99 OCR Servant $295- $99 HSD Spell(Includes 2 Languages) $195 $99 Additional Languages $99 $49 (11 Languages Available) SOFTWARE UPGRADES PRICE COMMENTS PowerScan (1.03) $99 For Scan-X Users Simon Says (1.1b) FREE To Registered Users OCR Servant (2.03) FREE To Registered Users HSD Spell (1.03) FREE To Registered Users Offer available until March 31, 1993. To place an order, contact HSD Sales at: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1350 Pear Ave., Suite C Mountain View, CA 94043 Ph: (800) 828-5522 or (415) 964-1400 Fax: (415) 964-1538 email: info@hsd.com Payment via credit card (Visa or Mastercard), or cashiers check. Educational, Government and Corporate P.O.'s subject to approval. - One Year Warranty on Hardware Products - 30 Day Money Back Guarantee on Hardware Products - No Quantity Limits Please contact me directly if you have any quesitons. Sincerely, -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,andi.annouce,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: ANDI announces special purchase price for Intel GX Workstation Message-ID: <C3nuqH.9B7@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,NeXTSTEP,NeXT,Intel Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 06:44:41 GMT ANDI is pleased to announce a special purchase price for the Intel Professional GX Workstation. Details are as follows: $2235 66Mhz GX/Professional EISA Workstation upgradable to Pentium Base system has 2 EISA slots, 1 ISA slot, 8MB RAM, ATI Mach 32 Local bus graphics on motherboard with 2MB of VRAM, 64K RAM cache, one 3 1/2 inch 1.44MB floppy drive, 2 Fans, IDE hard drive controller. Note: System has an Adaptec 6260 SCSI controller and an audio chip set on the motherboard. These features are not supported by NeXTSTEP. Intel has committed to ANDI to do a device driver to support the audio but not the SCSI. Systems do not include mouse or keyboard. The system is upgradable to 128MB RAM and 128K RAM cache. Note: This special price is available to anyone who is or becomes an ANDI member. Limit of two systems per developer. This machine is in stock and can be shipped immediately. Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org
From: tommi@pisces.auc.dk (Tommi Thomas Pfleiderer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Phone-adaptor Message-ID: <1993Mar10.084915.6212@iesd.auc.dk> Date: 10 Mar 93 08:49:15 GMT Sender: news@iesd.auc.dk (UseNet News) Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Hi there, maybe I want to buy an Hayes Next Phone Adaptor, but first I want to know, what's possible to do with this adaptor. I want to use my NeXT as a answering machine, also as a fax and I want to send and receive Data. Is this possible with the adaptor + software? What's the price of this adaptor? Can I connect it to the German phone net? Is there a FAQ about these problems? Because I don't read this group, please write a mail to tommi@stc.auc.dk Thank you! tommi P.S.: I don't want to buy a ZyXEL! ___________________________________________ tommi@stc.auc.dk --- Thomas Pfleiderer ___________________________________________
From: djdobson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Daniel Jeffery Dobson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How good are DeskJets on theNeXT? Summary: Gaah Keywords: DeskJet, printers Message-ID: <1993Mar10.000548.15422@Princeton.EDU> Date: 10 Mar 93 00:05:48 GMT References: <1993Mar9.183902.14896@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Originator: news@nimaster In article <1993Mar9.183902.14896@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) writes: >I'm wanting to get a printer for my NeXT, and I am wondering how good the >DeskJets are under NS3.0. How many pages per minute (or minutes per >page!), how good does the output look? Ever have any sort of problems at >all? Well, you'll be lucky to get one to hook up. NeXT doesn't seem to support it in PrintManager, and I downloaded the most recent version of DeskJet (2.0.3) from sonata and discovered that it didn't compile under 3.0. If anyone knows anything about this, like how it works or where a newer version can be found, I'd be really happy. As for the DeskJet 500 itself, it's a good little printer. It can go all the way up to 300dpi, but the ink-spreading makes for fuzzy lines and things. 150dpi looks good--nice for envelopes and correspondence and even problem sets, but I'm not sure if I'd want to, say, print my thesis out on it. It's also very, very quiet. A bit slow, but very, very quiet. It also doesn't do the LaserWriter trick of permanently warping your pages after being printer. They end up nice and flat, and if you let the ink dry, it won't smear, unless you work at it or let it get rained on. Later, Wolff djdobson@phoenix.princeon.edu "If this is a consular ship, where is the Ambassador!?!"
From: monty%roscom@think.com (Monty Solomon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Wanted: PPD file for HP LaserJet 4M printer Message-ID: <1993Mar10.113604.1580@proponent.com> Date: 10 Mar 93 11:36:04 GMT Article-I.D.: proponen.1993Mar10.113604.1580 References: <1993Mar3.044235.2950@pangea.com> Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Proponent In article <1993Mar3.044235.2950@pangea.com> rock@pangea.com (Roger Rosner) writes: > If anyone has the PPD (i.e., printer description) file for an HP LaserJet > 4M printer (or knows where to get it), please let me know. I downloaded > the one from sonata, but the 600 dpi version seems to be corrupted. From the Adobe PostScript File Server: HPLJ_4M.PPD 162 Dec 11 16:09 This is not a PPD file, so don't bother requesting it. Only Hewlett-Packard is distributing the PPD file for the LaserJet 4M. To receive this file, you must call (303)353-7650 and ask for "PPD Disk for LaserJet 4M". -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
From: nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Please recommend me the BEST modem for the NeXT Date: 10 Mar 1993 18:07:12 GMT Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University Sender: Paul Nevai Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nlaog$rh1@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> Originator: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu I asked for suggestions for the BEST modem for the NeXT, and I rec'd about 10 responses. Thanks to all of you who wrote me (I will not acknowledge it individually - I hope this is OK). SUMMARY of recommended modems: Telebit WorldBlazer (Turbo PEP) ROM upgrades (set registers for max throughput) ZyXEL U1496E with NXFax combination Supra V.32bis QUESTION: is the Telebit WorldBlazer different from the Telebit 2500? If yes, is it worth buying two to replace two existing 2500's? Take care...Paul Paul Nevai nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu Dept Math - Ohio State University 1-614-292-3317 (Office) Columbus, Ohio 43210-1174, U.S.A. 1-614-292-1479 (Math Dept Fax)
From: mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: TTYDSP? Summary: looking for phone # or other reference to TTYDSP Keywords: TTYDSP, Yrrid Inc? Message-ID: <mfausett.731811938@kirin> Date: 11 Mar 93 01:05:38 GMT Could someone give me a reference to the TTYDSP product from Yrrid Inc. Sounds interesting... Mark Fausett mfausett@bbn.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld) Subject: Re: NeXT CD players -- do they work on Suns? Organization: CYANTIC Systems Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 04:33:16 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar11.043316.12128@cyantic.com> References: <1nj6f2INNh9u@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> In article <1nj6f2INNh9u@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> Hal.Varian@umich.edu writes: >I saw a number of posts on this a few months ago, but I didn't read them >because it wasn't relevant to me then. But now it is. Will the NeXT CD player >work on a Sun (a SPARC 10 to be exact)? I put our NeXT CD player on a SPARC IPC and the system panicked and crashed. I won't try it again on that machine. It booted ok, but mounting a disk was impossible. -- Mark T. Dornfeld Voice: (416) 234-9048 CYANTIC Systems Facsimile: (416) 234-0477 101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103 Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Release All DRIVER Sources for NS/Intel Date: 11 Mar 1993 08:41:52 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nmu0g$gjd@agate.berkeley.edu> This is a plea from a mere academic user/developer. NeXT should release all the DEVICE DRIVER sources they develop in the Developer version of NS/Intel, in /NextDeveloper/Drivers directory. Not just a few token examples, but driver sources for ALL of the supported devices. The more, the better. DriverKit may make it easy to write one from scratch, but that's not enough. Examples that are pretty close would be invaluable and will make a huge difference in how fast drivers are written. This way, users and developers can take the one that is closest to an incompatible device and make it work. This will foster an environment where users and developers take up the job of writing drivers for devices that happen to be inconpatible with the standard release. NeXT needs to do this, because: [1] NeXT does not have resources to write drivers for all the devices that are available for the PC platform. Yet they will certainly get complaints asking why certain disk drives and controllers don't work with the standard release. [See ANDI annoucement that the HP's SCSI controller is not supported.] [2] When a piece of hardware is incompatible with DOS/Windows, it's the hardware manufacturer's fault. When a piece of hardware is incompatible with NeXTSTEP/Intel, it's the NeXT's fault. Releasing driver sources does not erode any of NeXTSTEP's competitive advantages. NeXT and users have everything to gain, if NeXT does this. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Configurable resolution on NS/Intel? Message-ID: <40.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: 11 Mar 93 01:36:33 GMT Article-I.D.: corona.40.UUL1.3#16216 Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Does anyone know if (and how) the graphics resolution is selected for NS/Intel? I have a Dell with local bus video using the S3 chip, which supposedly is now supported. Problem is it maxes out at 1M VRAM, so it is limited to 800X600 color. That would be OK for testing, games, etc., but for work I would rather have higher resolution in 2-bit gray. The VRAM should be sufficient for 1024X768 or even 1280X1024 in mono. Can I switch between resolutions and window depth? Does it require rebooting? Thanks. "Don't give a DOS(e) to the one you love most." --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rwb@alexander.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Berger) Subject: Dim monochrome monitors Message-ID: <C3pw5C.EIy.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 09:10:21 GMT We have a couple of NeXT mono monitors with the (in)famous dim screen problem. Normally I would just buy replacements, but my purchasing agent says NeXT does not answer his calls :-( So, does anyone have any technical info on the dim monitor problem? Can it be fixed short of replacing the CRT?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wylie@nrcnet0.nrc.ca (Rob Wylie - M50 Rm 263 993-8561) Subject: 25 to 33 MH upgrades? Message-ID: <1993Mar11.171235.16650@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Sender: Rob Wylie Organization: National Research Council, Ottawa, Canada Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 17:12:35 GMT A short time ago somebody who ought to know (or ought to know better...) told me that 25 MHz NeXTs could be run at 33 MHz simply by replacing a prom in which clock rate is set...(ie. replace "divide by 3" with "divide by 4" or some such). Can this be true? And if so, then does anybody have detailed instructions (or better yet, a source of the required proms)? yrs Rob W. ps. if it makes a difference I am talking about Cubes as opposed to stations. RW.
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Message-ID: <8fbr4aK00WB=IthvJx@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 12:04:38 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: Dim monochrome monitors In-Reply-To: <C3pw5C.EIy.2@cs.cmu.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 11-Mar-93 Dim monochrome monitors by Robert Berger@alexander. > So, does anyone have any technical info on the dim monitor problem? > Can it be fixed short of replacing the CRT? Please note that NeXT supposedly will replace monochrome monitors for free if they fall into a certain serial number range (which I don't remember). Anyway: I have adjusted several monitors with no problems, but make sure you know what you are doing before opening anything. I expressly disclaim responsibility for any ill results that may occur. In order to adjust NeXT's MegaPixel display (called 'the monitor' hereafter), you'll need (a) the NeXTtool (or an Allen wrench), (b) a plastic adjustment tool (preferred) or a thin bladed screwdriver, and possibly (c) a Phillips-head screwdriver. (NB: A similar procedure will work for color monitors, but you should either know what you're doing or you'll probably be better off letting a pro deal with it.) Turn off the computer. Disconnect all cables to the monitor. Look at the back of the monitor. There will be 4 screws there; use the NeXTtool (or Allen wrench) to remove them. Remove the plastic back of the monitor and put it out of your way. Reconnect the cables and turn the computer back on. As the machine powers up, examine the back of the monitor. You'll see a metallic box (usually silver, though some are black) surrounding the monitor's vitals. This protects you against the dangerous voltages inside, and also insulates the monitor from electromagnetic noise. On the back of this box are several holes for performing adjustments. There are two focus controls (labelled 'focus' and 'dynamic focus'), a brightness control (labelled 'brightness' or possibly 'black level') and several others that adjust various things like screen size and position. Depending on the exact placement of the controls on the circuit board of your specific monitor, some of these controls may be difficult (or impossible) to adjust from the back. If this is the case, I will describe what's necessary below. Otherwise, adjust the appropriate controls using either an adjustment tool or a screwdriver. Be warned that a screwdriver probably will cause some interesting video effects when it enters the case. Ignore this the best you can, or find a plastic adjustment tool, which is what you *really* should be using anyway. Using a flashlight will help you see into the hole so that you can align the business end of the tool correctly. Focus and position controls are fairly obvious. Adjust them slowly until you're happy with the results. Don't muck with anything you don't need to; the factory settings are usally pretty decent. To correctly adjust the brightness, follow this procedure: Turn the brightness of the monitor all the way down using the keyboard. Adjust the brightness control on the back of the monitor until a barely noticeable picture forms. Then turn the brightness down a little so this picture disappears completely. Check that you can get adequete brightness by using the keyboard to brighten the screen. If the display isn't bright enough, adjust the brightness control on the rear of the monitor high enough so that the monitor display is adequate. Note that you won't be able to dim the screen completely from the keyboard...sorry. Once you're finished, shut down the computer, take off the cables, reattach the back of the monitor, and reconnect the cables. You're done. If the control you need to adjust proves to be difficult, you may need to enter the metal case. This happened on one monitor's focus control and another's brightness. WARNING: THE VOLTAGES INSIDE THE MONITOR'S CASE ARE VERY DANGEROUS, EVEN WHEN THE MONITOR IS OFF. BE VERY CAREFUL, OR YOU CAN SERIOUSLY INJURE OR EVEN KILL YOURSELF. Do not perform the next instructions unless you are confident that you know what you are doing. You'll have to power off the computer again, and disconnect the cables. Looking at the monitor from the back, notice a section of metallic shielding on the right side of the metal box that extends to the picture tube. This is where the flyback tranformer is connected. It shields a wire that is charged to about 25,000 V. DO NOT TOUCH THIS WIRE, IT CAN SHOCK YOU THROUGH ITS INSULATION. Being very careful of this, remove the metal case by unscrewing the Philip's head screws that hold the case on. Don't touch the screws that hold the picture tube into the front of the monitor's case. Once you've gotten the metal box off, reconnect the cables. Figure out what control you're going to adjust, and make sure that you can do so without touching anything else inside. Again, *watch out* for the wire that connects to the picture tube on the right side. Power up the computer. I recommend that you use only one hand to make the adjustment, and that your other hand be placed in your pocket (or similar equivalent, if you're wearing clothes lacking pockets). This precaution reduces the chances that you'll make a short circuit between one hand, your heart, and the other hand-- a good idea. Perform the necessary adjustment(s), being very careful not to touch anything inside. Then shut down and reassemble the monitor, following the directions given above. Hopefully, these instructions will prove useful. Once again, please be very careful...I don't want your death and/or injury on my conscience (or a lawsuit, for that matter, either :-) Later, -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: 25 to 33 MH upgrades? Message-ID: <1993Mar11.214949.15921@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Mar11.171235.16650@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 21:49:49 GMT In article <1993Mar11.171235.16650@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> wylie@nrcnet0.nrc.ca (Rob Wylie - M50 Rm 263 993-8561) writes: >A short time ago somebody who ought to know (or ought to know better...) >told me that 25 MHz NeXTs could be run at 33 MHz simply by replacing a >prom in which clock rate is set...(ie. replace "divide by 3" with "divide >by 4" or some such). > >Can this be true? And if so, then does anybody have detailed instructions >(or better yet, a source of the required proms)? I kind of doubt it. The memory architecture on 25Mhz boards is different from that on the 33. And the cube board has the OD controller chips on it. NextStations are different. People who bought 25Mhz slabs, near the end might be in luck. Remember when the 25Mhz slab memory configuration changed? I believe those are really turbo boards with slower processors and crystals in tham. -- // Joe Freeman jfreem@uncecs.edu // // The opinions espressed here are my own and are not // shared by my former employer, future employer, anyone
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi From: timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) Subject: Micropolis 1598 & NeXT slab... Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 22:54:32 GMT Message-ID: <timm.731890472@zaphod> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana I am trying to hook up a Micropolis 1598 drive to a NeXT slab. Micropolis tech. support has been less than useless, and refuses to give me the specs. for all but a few jumpers on this drive (like SCSI ID, etc.). The file 1598spec.txt that appears on their BBS doesn't contain the info. either. Specifically, I need to know if this drive can be attached to the external SCSI bus on a NeXT slab, and if so, what are the proper jumper settings. I keep getting incomplete SCSI reads on it (although it seemed to format okay), which leads me to think it's a termination problem (but perhaps not). In any case, any help is much appreciated. Thanks. Tim -- Tim McClarren | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks." timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu| (217)244-0015 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Dim monochrome monitors Message-ID: <C3r329.9En@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <C3pw5C.EIy.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 00:37:07 GMT rwb@alexander.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Berger) writes: >We have a couple of NeXT mono monitors with the (in)famous dim screen >problem. >Normally I would just buy replacements, but my purchasing agent says >NeXT does not answer his calls :-( >So, does anyone have any technical info on the dim monitor problem? >Can it be fixed short of replacing the CRT? NeXT Service has been responding to our Authorized Service Provider just as normal ever since about a week after the shakeup. Service is making an attempt to keep everything running smoothly as normal. -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 40 meg on the inside/ 12 gig on the outside. Date: 11 Mar 1993 20:20:03 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1np31jINN75v@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Hello, I wish to purchase a 2 gig external 5.25" Hard Drive and power it up and down per session. I also want to keep my NeXTstation on 24hrs using a Quantum 40 meg internal drive. Can this work? And what exact files do I need to have on the 40 meg to boot up? So far I intend to upgrade the 2gig to NS 2.9 first and then copy and link stuff from there. Any ideas? Please; if your guessing--as I am--say so in your post so I can get it right without upgrading again. Also, I'm assuming this set up will save me electricity and prolong the life of my HD. My office doesn't have air conditioning and I've had bad luck will hard drives in the past. So once again, any suggestions? maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Micropolis 1598 & NeXT slab... In-Reply-To: timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu's message of Thu, 11 Mar 1993 22:54:32 GMT To: timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar11214451@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <timm.731890472@zaphod> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 01:44:51 GMT In article <timm.731890472@zaphod> timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) writes: I am trying to hook up a Micropolis 1598 drive to a NeXT slab. Micropolis tech. support has been less than useless, and refuses to give me the specs. for all but a few jumpers on this drive (like SCSI ID, etc.). The file 1598spec.txt that appears on their BBS doesn't contain the info. either. Specifically, I need to know if this drive can be attached to the external SCSI bus on a NeXT slab, and if so, what are the proper jumper settings. I keep getting incomplete SCSI reads on it (although it seemed to format okay), which leads me to think it's a termination problem (but perhaps not). In any case, any help is much appreciated. Thanks. Tim There is a problem with some old EPROM versions of the Micropolis 1598 and NeXTs. This problem leads to frequent time-outs (and worse if you have other devices attached). Fortunately there is a free upgrade available from Micropolis which eliminates this problem. Just call them and have the identification numbers of the EPROM handy -- I found them to be very helpful. Also while you are at it get a recent version of "scsiformatter" and reformat the drive to 1024 kByte blocks. This will give you another 60 MBytes of space. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Problems Using WorldBlazer & Flow Control UUCP Message-ID: <1993Mar12.085123.6772@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 08:51:23 GMT We have a remote site (houston) which is having trouble using a WorldBlazer with flow control. Our server (dolphin) uses Taylor 1.04, recently having upgraded from 1.03. None of the problems experienced by houston have EVER been seen on dolphin, and they are not apparently related to the use of Taylor (which, in general, fixes all the UUCP problems you inherit with a generic NeXT and its ten-year-old UUCP). The problem seems to be that using flow control with the WorldBlazer modem results in problems connecting to remote sites. This happens both via UUCP (using uucico to be exact) and by manually attempting to connect to a remote site with tip. If the /dev/cua is used, all goes well. If /dev/cufa is used, the resultant connection is completely faulty. While the modem seems to believe it has a connection, it in fact does not. Further, the characters received on the line are garbage, much like you would expect from a baud rate mismatch. The system houston is using a slightly older revision of the WorldBlazer ROM (v. 5.0 if I recall correctly). A standard issue, black NeXT (flow control) modem cable is being used. NeXTSTEP 3.0 has been installed. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Also, if you are interested in receiving Taylor UUCP 1.04, send email; I'll either NeXTMAIL it to you, or you can FTP it from any number of sites (such as Purdue or UUNET). -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Software Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - use NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) Subject: CDROM no eject on logout Message-ID: <1993Mar12.093149.374@pyrian.com> Sender: ian@pyrian.com Organization: PYRIAN Software Group Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 09:31:49 GMT I would like to keep the CD-ROM from ejecting when any user logs out of the Workspace. Thanks -- Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 Pyrian Software Group | CIS 71101,1260 Always looking for new SW to market | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com NeXT,Mac,PC & Sun | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman) Subject: Re: Release All DRIVER Sources for NS/Intel Message-ID: <1993Mar12.114132.1905@stc.nato.int> Sender: usenet@stc.nato.int (USENET messages) Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL References: <1nmu0g$gjd@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 11:41:32 GMT In article <1nmu0g$gjd@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > This is a plea from a mere academic user/developer. > > NeXT should release all the DEVICE DRIVER sources they develop > in the Developer version of NS/Intel, in /NextDeveloper/Drivers > directory. Not just a few token examples, but driver sources for > ALL of the supported devices. The more, the better. So we can fix the bugs ourselves... :-) -- Ton Koelman e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!) SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD The Hague The Netherlands (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CDROM no eject on logout Date: 12 Mar 1993 15:41:45 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1nqavpINNkav@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993Mar12.093149.374@pyrian.com> In article <1993Mar12.093149.374@pyrian.com> ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) writes: #I would like to keep the CD-ROM from ejecting when any #user logs out of the Workspace. # #Thanks #-- #Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 #Pyrian Software Group | CIS 71101,1260 #Always looking for new SW to market | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com #NeXT,Mac,PC & Sun | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK? You can do this by mounting the CD-Rom via /etc/fstab: 1) Determine what device ID the CD-Rom has after boot (example, sd1) 2) add an entry in /etc/fstab to mount the CD-Rom /dev/sd0a / 4.3 rw,noquota, noauto 0 1 <- this was already there /dev/sd1a /CD-Rom 4.3 noquota,ro 0 0 <- mount READ-ONLY!!! Now the disk will not eject when a user logs out. But, there is one other problem -- the manual eject button. If a user presses that button, the CD-Rom drive will eject the disk, no matter what without telling the OS about it... this leads to much confusion and headache. A solution we have here, is to physically remove the manual eject buttons on the public CD-Rom drives (usually a simple case mod, or disconnecting the switch from drive). -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Old Hardware and ADB? Date: 12 Mar 1993 17:14:51 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nqgebINN5t2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Now that NeXT has given up making hardware, It would be nice if they released details of how to upgrade old turbo machines to ADB operation. Three good reason for them to do this: 1) It would be a sign of good faith to their current users. Which given they have just ophened us would be nice. 2) It would hopefully minimise there requirements to keep spares for the old keyboards...given that hopefully most people would be able to upgrade then when things like keyboards fail, people can simply replace them with a Mac keyboard and not have to give NeXT grief about how to get hold of keyboards and mice. 3)for those who can not upgrade there would be a larger stock of keyboards available when there's eventually gives up. Thus I would suggest to NeXT that this is both an economically good idea as well as one their current users would see as a sign of good faith. Well we can all dream! john
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: mcdougal@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu (brendan mcdougall) Subject: External Hard Drive, Ownership and File Creation Mask Message-ID: <1993Mar12.185728.19160@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 18:57:28 GMT Hi, The PI in this group purchased and installed an ADS external 1G hard drive. At this point a private user owns the hard drive. Doing a recursive chown, i.e. chown -R root /'disk', does not change the ownership of the disk after logging out from root. Too, file creation mask changes from root do not last past terminating that root session. To the Gurus, what the *%$# is the problem and how is this really managed. Please post to the group and if you send me responses directly, which I would appreciate, I will summarize the responses and post to the group. Thank you very much for your help. Best regards, Brendan McDougall
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: mcdougal@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu (brendan mcdougall) Subject: E-mail aliases and Listservers Message-ID: <1993Mar12.190247.19280@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Sender: news@news.cs.brandeis.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Brandeis University Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 19:02:47 GMT Hi, I have two questions and will summarize all responses sent to me and post to the group...phew! First, in what way does one set up an automated listserver on a NeXT, i.e. have a group of users, on or off site, have a mail to the group be automatically forwarded to all users in the group, wherever they may be. Is there an ftp site with list-server software available? For example, a list server with 'digest' capabilities would be great. Second, where does the NeXT hide all the private group and user addresses that are created in NeXTMail. We recently reformatted the hard drive and installed 3.0 on our internal hard disk. This was info I could not find or save. If I could locate the file, I could have saved this to floppy before re-formatting. Thanks for your help in this matter. Best regards, Brendan McDougall
From: yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu (Yadin Y. Goldschmidt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re:second scsi disk-summary of responses Message-ID: <5789@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 12 Mar 93 19:43:30 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu I thank to all the many caring people who helped with my problem. everything works fine now. I would like to summerize the responses to other people with similar difficulties. I quote the response by Tim Pugh although many others had the right answers. Here are his answers: In comp.sys.next.sysadmin article <5519@blue.cis.pitt.edu> you wrote: > I have connected to my Nextstation running 3.0 a second hard drive (dec 1 > gB). I have encountered several problems: > 1. Following the instructions I added an item in /etc/fstab > however the system ignored it and did not mount the disk where I specified > but created a directory with the disk label and mounted it there. The > files were owned by the person logging on first. Only when I deleted the > 'noauto' option in fstab did the system mount the disk where I wanted. > What is the correct way to mount the disk? "noauto" only should be should for the startup disk since the system has already mounted the startup disk. Any other disk should not use the "noauto" option as they need to be automatically mounted. For your situation, do not use "noauto". This an error in the documentation. > 2. There is no recycler on the second disk and if I try to recycle > something I get a warning that it be destroyed. How can I create a > recycler? Note that I put the system files on this disk just in case I > will need in the future to boot from it, but I do not use it now as a boot > disk. The NeXT answers for Winter 1993 has the answer. Here it is: -------------------- sysadmin.812 --------------------------- Q: How do I get a recycler on my external hard disk? Q: My new external disk displays a panel indicating "No recycler for device..." A: In order to have recycler on an external disk, you must have a NextTrash directory at the mount point for the drive. As an example, here is how you would create a recycler for an external disk mounted as /archive (issue the following commands as root in a Terminal window): machine# cd /archive machine# df . Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /dev/sd2b 216311 152584 42095 78% /archive machine# mkdir .NextTrash machine# chown root.wheel .NextTrash machine# chmod 1777 .NextTrash machine# ls -ldg .NextTrash drwxrwxrwt 19 root wheel 1024 Sep 30 10:42 .NextTrash/ After completing these steps, you'll need to reboot the system for the new recycler to be properly recognized. --------------------------------------------------- > 3. I tried to move a user home directory to the second disk by changing > his home directory with User manager and copying his files there. But when > he tried to log on from the console, instead of his home icon there was a > box with a question mark inside. Also preferences does not seem to work > properly for example unix expert mode does not take effect. > > Can anybody help me how to overcome these difficulties? Is it a problem > with the drive? with the system? What am I doing wrong? Is the home directory permissions or ownership different than before? Have the User Manager create his home directory and then copy his files into the new home directory. > > Thank you in advance > yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu -- Tim Pugh College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University tpugh@oce.orst.edu NeXTmail ok!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: t89djo@tdb.uu.se (David Jonsson) Subject: Alternate monochrome monitor? Message-ID: <1993Mar12.185407.270@tdb.uu.se> Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 18:54:07 GMT I was calling a local reseller of NeXT-hardware and they wanted over SEK 11250 = $ 1,400 for a 17" monochrome monitor. I wonder what kind of monitor I can use with in this case a cube. Could somebody point out the meaning of the pins to the monitor connector? I doubt Next uses something that isn't compatible with anything else in the monitor market. David -- David Jonsson Voice&Fax +46-18-24 51 52 P.O Box 353 Postal giro 499 40 54-7 S-751 06 UPPSALA Internet E-mail t89djo@tdb.uu.se SWEDEN
From: tpugh@oce.orst.edu (Tim Pugh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: External Hard Drive, Ownership and File Creation Mask (NeXT-FAQ) Message-ID: <1nqs7dINNhp9@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: 12 Mar 93 20:35:57 GMT Article-I.D.: gaia.1nqs7dINNhp9 References: <1993Mar12.185728.19160@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University In article <1993Mar12.185728.19160@news.cs.brandeis.edu> mcdougal@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu (brendan mcdougall) writes: > Hi, > > The PI in this group purchased and installed an ADS external 1G hard > drive. At this point a private user owns the hard drive. Doing a > recursive chown, i.e. chown -R root /'disk', does not change the ownership > of the disk after logging out from root. Too, file creation mask changes > from root do not last past terminating that root session. > > To the Gurus, what the *%$# is the problem and how is this really managed. > > Please post to the group and if you send me responses directly, which I > would appreciate, I will summarize the responses and post to the group. > > Thank you very much for your help. > > Best regards, > > Brendan McDougall Previous posting by Paul S. Sears and modification be me! ========= Re: hard drive mounting (This should really be a FAQ!!!) ========== If a hard drive attached to the NeXT is missing a /etc/fstab entry, the device behavior is like a floppy disk. File ownership is IGNORED! If a hard drive attached to the NeXT has a /etc/fstab entry, the device behavior is secure and recognizes file ownership and file creation masks. (just as you would expect from a hard drive.) To setup a hard drive for proper behavior, put the drive information into /etc/fstab as follows: I assume that your internal drive is SCSI device 1 (default address for internal HD in NeXTStations) and your external drive is SCSI device 2. If you use "bsd" to boot, then the NeXT will boot from the lowest SCSI device it finds, which would be the internal drive since it has a lower id number. The first SCSI device is /dev/(r)sd0a. The second is /dev/(r)sd1a. The third is /dev/(r)sd2a and so on. The second partition of the second device is /dev/(r)sd1b... SCSI device 1, partition 1 = /dev/sd0a SCSI device 2, partition 1 = /dev/sd1a , partition 2 = /dev/sd1b SCSI device 3, partition 1 = /dev/sd2a If you look in your /etc/fstab you should see something like the following (the one below is from my workstation): -------- /etc/fstab --------- # # DO NOT DELETE THIS FILE, IT IS REQUIRED FOR BOOTING # # This file contains information used to mount local hard disks. # Consult your system administration and networking manual # for information on adding local disks. Information on the format # of entries in this file can also be found in the fstab man page, # search for fstab in Digital Librarian. # /dev/sd0a / 4.3 rw,noquota,noauto 0 1 /dev/sd1a /External 4.3 rw,noquota 1 2 ---------- End of File -------- The line /dev/sd0a tells unix to mount the device /dev/sd0a (lowest SCSI device number found) as / which is the root level and that it is a 4.3bsd filesystem, with read and write, no quotas and do not automount it because that has been done at boot time. The line /dev/sd1a tells unix to mount the device /dev/sd1a ( second lowest SCSI device number found) as /External and that it is a 4.3bsd filesystem, with read and write, no quotas and to automount it. If /External is not desired, then add a line like: /dev/sd1a /desired/path 4.3 rw,noquota 1 2 to your /etc/fstab and the external disk will be mounted at /desired/path. Btw, to mount and export a CD-ROM, insert the line: /dev/sd2a /CD-Rom 4.3 ro,noquota 1 2 shows how I would mount a NS3.0 CD-Rom (third lowest SCSI device number) for exporting to the cluster (you must mount it READONLY!!). Of course, you may need to modify the /dev/sd*a device name. -- Tim Pugh College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University tpugh@oce.orst.edu NeXTmail ok!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: steve@wc24.writer.yorku.ca (Steve Azmier) Subject: using serial port A to connect a vt200 terminal Message-ID: <1993Mar12.205119.24483@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Sender: news@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca (USENET News System) Organization: York University Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 20:51:19 GMT Hi: I've managed to get a Vision 2200+ attached to my serial port A and have it working nicely at 9600 baud (via /etc/ttys). One problem, when I try to use emacs from the vt200 I get all sorts of backwards question marks and can't really use it as a full screen editor. We hope to attach one terminal to the back of each NeXT so that as many folks as possible can work at our Centre (yes we're short on funds :-). Anyway the only way I can get the terminal to work is by setting it to 7 data bits even parity It is also set for vt200-7 The line in the /etc/ttys of note is: ttya "/usr/etc/getty std.9600" vt200-80 on secure We used the pin configuration as recommended by NeXT. Does that pin configuration (pg. 188 System Admin. Guide) assume only 7 data bits can be used for transferring data? I know emacs expects 8 data bits. Any ideas why emacs won't cooperate and what would the fix be? -- Steve Azmier Email: steve@reader.yorku.ca
From: austin@skorpio.usask.ca (Alvin Austin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Wanted: disktab entry for Fujitsu M2266SA 1.2 GB disk Date: 12 Mar 1993 20:35:34 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada Sender: austin@cs.USask.Ca Distribution: world Message-ID: <1nqs6mINNkbv@access.usask.ca> Keywords: disktab fujitsu M2266SA I'm looking for the /etc/disktab parameters for initializing a Fujitsu M2266SA (1.2 GB unformatted) disk on a NeXTstation. I already know about the jumper settings (no jumper on CNH2-1:2 for SCSI-1, no jumper on CNH2-15:16 for asynchronous mode). The default settings work, but initialize the drive, so that when it is mounted the WorkSpace shows only 901 MB. It seems to me that it should be more. Please email responses. I will summarize back to this group if there is sufficient interest. Thanks! Alvin --- Alvin Austin (austin@cs.USask.Ca) University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, CANADA
From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Release All DRIVER Sources for NS/Intel Message-ID: <1993Mar12.075042.18512@xexos.com> Date: 12 Mar 93 07:50:42 GMT References: <1nmu0g$gjd@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) In article <1nmu0g$gjd@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > This is a plea from a mere academic user/developer. > > NeXT should release all the DEVICE DRIVER sources they develop > in the Developer version of NS/Intel, in /NextDeveloper/Drivers > directory. Not just a few token examples, but driver sources for > ALL of the supported devices. The more, the better. > This is a great idea, NeXT lose nothing at all by doing this, and gain a great deal of third-party/free developers being able to write drivers for some of the weird and wonderful hardware out there. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Release All DRIVER Sources for NS/Intel Message-ID: <1nqv8fINNck@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: 12 Mar 93 21:27:43 GMT References: <1nmu0g$gjd@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: the Borg In article <1nmu0g$gjd@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > NeXT should release all the DEVICE DRIVER sources they develop > in the Developer version of NS/Intel, in /NextDeveloper/Drivers > directory. Not just a few token examples, but driver sources for > ALL of the supported devices. The more, the better. I agree completely. People with influence at NeXT, please note this! Annard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) Subject: Canon Color Printer Problem Message-ID: <C3t13x.50I@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 01:49:56 GMT I have a friend that ordered a NeXT color printer. Becuase of changes at NeXT, the order was never acknowledged or filled. As a result, he bought a Canon BJC color printer. Except for the lack of a NeXT logo and a classy black finish, it is the same printer. He can't get it to work on the NeXT though. He has connected about a dozen NeXT color printers up, and the process is completely idiot proof, yet all the Canon printer will do is spit garbage type back. Any ideas on how to make this work? peter peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.xyx.next.software From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: ***HSD ANNOUNCES HUGE SALE -THROUGH MARCH 31, 1993*** Message-ID: <1993Mar13.014758.1739@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 01:47:58 GMT In anticipation of the upcoming release of NeXTSTEP INTEL, we're having our biggest sale ever of HSD products for use with your current NeXT hardware. Check out these prices... HSD WINTER SALE UP TO 70% OFF RETAIL PRICES HARDWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Scan-X Professional(w/PowerScan)$1495- $1095- Scan-X Color(w/PowerScan) $1995- $1495- Scan-X DP20(w/Electrophile) $5995 $4495- Auto Document Feeder $449- $349- SOFTWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Simon Says $295- $99 OCR Servant $295- $99 HSD Spell(Includes 2 Languages) $195 $99 Additional Languages $99 $49 (11 Languages Available) SOFTWARE UPGRADES PRICE COMMENTS PowerScan (1.03) $99 For Scan-X Users Simon Says (1.1b) FREE To Registered Users OCR Servant (2.03) FREE To Registered Users HSD Spell (1.03) FREE To Registered Users Offer available until February 28. To place an order, contact HSD Sales at: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1350 Pear Ave., Suite C Mountain View, CA 94043 Ph: (800) 828-5522 or (415) 964-1400 Fax: (415) 964-1538 email: info@hsd.com Payment via credit card (Visa or Mastercard), or cashiers check. Educational, Government and Corporate P.O.'s subject to approval. - One Year Warranty on Hardware Products - 30 Day Money Back Guarantee on Hardware Products - No Quantity Limits Please contact me directly if you have any quesitons. Sincerely, -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
From: k8gj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Use an ERGONOMIC KEYBOARD? Plz Read! Message-ID: <1993Mar13.001139.17817@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> Date: 13 Mar 93 00:11:38 EST Distribution: comp Organization: Cornell University I am doing research on ergonomic keyboards at Cornell University. if anyone out there has had experience with any of these keyboards [ie: keyboards that split, chording keyboards, etc], I would appreciate your telling me about it. If you could tell me how long you used (or have been using) it, why you use it, what brand and model it is (and a contact phone # and /or name for the company if possible). Plus your opinions about it...its looks, its feel, its quality, its ergonomic value, and especially how much it helps you. I'd really appreciate any input you could give me. You can also fax any responses to 607/256-4217 any time. Thanks! Scott Mandell Cornell University Department of Design and Environmental Analysis Human-Environment Relations Division Ithaca, NY
From: sta@eclipse (Stephane Ah-ki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ANDI announces special purchase price for Intel GX Workstation Message-ID: <1993Mar12.004007.10566@logibec.com> Date: 12 Mar 93 00:40:07 GMT References: <1993Mar10.164209.20343@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: news@logibec.com Organization: Logibec Groupe Informatique Ltee, QC, Canada In article <1993Mar10.164209.20343@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: > In article <C3nuqH.9B7@nextsrv1.andi.org> bill@nextsrv1.andi.org writes: > >ANDI is pleased to announce a special purchase price for the Intel > >Professional GX Workstation. Details are as follows: > > > >$2235 66Mhz GX/Professional EISA Workstation upgradable to Pentium > > > >Base system has 2 EISA slots, 1 ISA slot, 8MB RAM, ATI Mach 32 Local > >bus graphics on motherboard with 2MB of VRAM, 64K RAM cache, one 3 > >1/2 inch 1.44MB floppy drive, 2 Fans, IDE hard drive controller. > > > >Note: System has an Adaptec 6260 SCSI controller and an audio chip > >set on the motherboard. These features are not supported by > >NeXTSTEP. Intel has committed to ANDI to do a device driver to > >support the audio but not the SCSI. Systems do not include mouse or > >keyboard. The system is upgradable to 128MB RAM and 128K RAM cache. > > > > I'm really interested in this machine -- especially if someone will > commit to doing a SCSI-II driver. I hope the currently limited set of > drivers from NeXT is just a function of the pre-release status of > NeXTSTEP and is going to improve in the *near* future. Also, does > anyone know if it's a lower profile box like the slabs? I don't care > too much for the 8" high boxes that most "desktop" PCs require. > [Profesional_GX dimension] == (3.5 x 15.5 x 15) // (HxWxD)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: 25 to 33 MH upgrades? Message-ID: <1993Mar11.211941.9317@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Mar11.171235.16650@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 21:19:41 GMT In article <1993Mar11.171235.16650@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> wylie@nrcnet0.nrc.ca (Rob Wylie - M50 Rm 263 993-8561) writes: > A short time ago somebody who ought to know (or ought to know better...) > told me that 25 MHz NeXTs could be run at 33 MHz simply by replacing a > prom in which clock rate is set...(ie. replace "divide by 3" with "divide > by 4" or some such). > > Can this be true? No. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: 40 meg on the inside/ 12 gig on the outside. Message-ID: <1993Mar12.165404.2553@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1np31jINN75v@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 16:54:04 GMT In article <1np31jINN75v@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: > I wish to purchase a 2 gig external 5.25" Hard Drive and power > it up and down per session. [stuff deleted] I'm assuming this set up > will save me electricity and prolong the life of my HD. Power cycling a hard drive will kill it much faster than letting it run in a steady state. Why not a 2GB 3.5" drive? They consume less electricity, are faster, and more reliable. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Old Hardware and ADB? Message-ID: <1993Mar12.194853.3074@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1nqgebINN5t2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1993 19:48:53 GMT In article <1nqgebINN5t2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: > Now that NeXT has given up making hardware, It would be nice if they released > details of how to upgrade old turbo machines to ADB operation. You need a newer ROM. I don't remember what version. You need the ADB Sound Box. You also need the right monitor cable, though they started shipping these long before the switch to ADB, so you might already have it. That's it. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hal@niftyneato.com(Hal Fox-Palmer) Subject: Re: Old Hardware and ADB? Message-ID: <1993Mar13.035906.23221@niftyneato.com> Sender: hal@niftyneato.com Organization: Hal's phony Co. References: <1nqgebINN5t2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 03:59:06 GMT In article <1nqgebINN5t2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: > Now that NeXT has given up making hardware, It would be nice if they released > details of how to upgrade old turbo machines to ADB operation. > > Three good reason for them to do this: > > 1) It would be a sign of good faith to their current users. Which given they > have just ophened us would be nice. > > 2) It would hopefully minimise there requirements to keep spares for the old > keyboards...given that hopefully most people would be able to upgrade then when > things like keyboards fail, people can simply replace them with a Mac keyboard > and not have to give NeXT grief about how to get hold of keyboards and mice. > > 3)for those who can not upgrade there would be a larger stock of keyboards > available when there's eventually gives up. > > Thus I would suggest to NeXT that this is both an economically good idea as well > as one their current users would see as a sign of good faith. > > Well we can all dream! > > john Not hard at all- Just buy the new ROM's, and a ADB sound box for Color or the ADB L-board for the MegaPixel (Yes they sell it) for Mono. These are service parts and can be ordered by any NeXT Dealer who does servicing. BUT... NeXT is only selling service parts till March 29th, after that they will only sell a service part with exchange of the old part. DO IT NOW !!! Hal- my real job is the NeXT guy at MACadam Computers, San Francisco,CA -- Hal Fox-Palmer [] hal@niftyneato.com Nifty Neato Productions [] NeXTmail welcome Oakland, CA [] -- Hal Fox-Palmer [] hal@niftyneato.com Nifty Neato Productions [] NeXTmail welcome Oakland, CA []
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: Re: Old Hardware and ADB? Message-ID: <1993Mar13.172858.6803@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. References: <1993Mar13.035906.23221@niftyneato.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 17:28:58 GMT In article <1993Mar13.035906.23221@niftyneato.com> hal@niftyneato.com(Hal Fox-Palmer) writes: > Just buy the new ROM's, and a ADB sound box for Color or the ADB L-board > for the MegaPixel (Yes they sell it) for Mono. These are service parts and > can be ordered by any NeXT Dealer who does servicing. BUT... NeXT is only > selling service parts till March 29th, after that they will only sell a > service part with exchange of the old part. DO IT NOW !!! > Will this work on a NeXTCube also? (68040)? Matthew --
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Old Hardware and ADB? Date: 13 Mar 1993 10:53:12 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1ntaioINNe7g@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1nqgebINN5t2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Mar13.035906.23221@niftyneato.com> Posts concerning ADB upgrades are a bit confusing. Has someone talked to NeXT lately? I called a while back and was told that there was no such thing as an ADB upgrade anymore. NeXT stated that one of their departments was shipping an unsupported upgrade but when upper management found out they immediately discontinued shipments to avoid any kind of liability with regard to support. Is this true? I sure would like to upgrade. Too bad....... maurices
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 40 meg on the inside/ 12 gig on the outside. Date: 13 Mar 1993 11:44:31 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1ntdivINNf0b@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1np31jINN75v@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <1993Mar12.165404.2553@bluerose.com> In article <1993Mar12.165404.2553@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: > >Power cycling a hard drive will kill it much faster than letting it run in >a steady state. Why not a 2GB 3.5" drive? Your right. I was hoping to compensate for my unstable office climate. The way I understand things NextSTEP can only access 2gig at a time without partitioning. The drive I was considering is actually 2.4gig formatted down to 2gig and since I don't want to partition the disk I've had to switch to a 3.5" 2gig drive formatted down to 1.7gig. My first choice was the 3.5" drive but when I tested it I noticed a very high pitched hum and assumed the hum was present because of the disc platters spinning almost 2x faster in this newer drive. Unfortunately, strange persistent or intermittent noises are not acceptable for my application so I went with the older designed 5.25" drive which is approximately 2ms slower. Now I'm back to the 3.5" drive again. Sure hope the hum was fluke and not a characteristic of newer drives. The only thing that still bugs me is the $150 difference in price between the two. I suppose thats the price one must pay to get into a decent 3.5" drive. So, anybody need a 2.4gig 5.25" full height internal with a 5 year warranty? maurices They consume less electricity, >are faster, and more reliable. > >M Carling >President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: emusser@mac.cc.macalstr.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT SIMMs question Message-ID: <1993Mar13.114657.3925@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> Date: 13 Mar 93 11:46:57 -0600 Organization: Macalester College Hello, Does anyone know what the possible SIMM configurations are for the 040 pizza box NeXT? I am interested in the number of slots its has, the pairings, and the speeds of the SIMMS you must buy. Thanks Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: adam@bastille.rmnug.org (Adam Fedor) Subject: Extended warrenty/service contract Message-ID: <1993Mar14.005213.7208@colorado.edu> Sender: news@colorado.edu (The Daily Planet) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 00:52:13 GMT This may or may not have anything to do with NeXT dropping hardware, but... My one year warranty is just about up and I was wondering: 1) If I could still get an extended warranty for my NeXT? 2) SHOULD I get an extended warranty? thanks,
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fred@wicket.fdn.org (Frederic Pralong) Subject: Kodak cd on NeXT CD drive ? Message-ID: <1993Mar10.210320.377@wicket.fdn.org> Sender: news@wicket.fdn.org Organization: Individual - Paris, France. Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 21:03:20 GMT I want to read CD-KODAK on my NeXT CD-ROM drive, is it possible ? Someone told me that there is a shareware wich can do this. FReD -- Frederic Pralong fred@wicket.fdn.org Paris - FRANCE "Si, comme on le dit, ce sont toujours les meilleurs qui s en vont les premiers, que penser des ejaculateurs precoces ?" Pierre Desproges.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Old Hardware and ADB? Message-ID: <1993Mar14.044721.19490@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Mar12.194853.3074@bluerose.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 04:47:21 GMT In article <1993Mar12.194853.3074@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: > In article <1nqgebINN5t2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu > (John G Shirlaw) writes: > > Now that NeXT has given up making hardware, It would be nice if they > released > > details of how to upgrade old turbo machines to ADB operation. > > You need a newer ROM. I don't remember what version. > You need the ADB Sound Box. > You also need the right monitor cable, though they started shipping these > long before the switch to ADB, so you might already have it. Here's are replies from a NeXT engineer to inquiries I made on this topic a few weeks ago. I haven't tried the conversion yet. Q. Any significant problems with the ADB keyboard setups? They feel much good, and it would be nice to be able to use the newer 17" Sony display, but I'm concerned that they have only been out for a few months. A. No problems, the new ADB equipment and the Sony Trinitron are very reliable. One thing you have to be careful about when using ADB equipment is the compatibility issue, especially when moving computers to new locations. If ADB equipment are used with older NeXT systems they won't work properly. Here are the ADB requirements: a) A Turbo computer. b) CPU eprom version 74. c) New revision computer to soundbox/monitor cable. The part number is molded at both ends of the connector: Cable NEW OLD (Non ADB) NeXTcube 4534 150 NeXTstation 4535 1532 NS color 4536 2286 d) New revision monitor which uses a vertical scan rate of 72hz instead of 68hz, except on NeXTdimension systems color monitor stays 68hz. Monitor NEW (72hz) OLD (68hz) 17" mono ACX (N4000b) AAA (N4000a & N4000) 17" color ADF (N4006) ABG (N4001) 21" color ADB (N4005a) ABH (N4005) e) ADB soundbox for color systems. S/N prefix ADD instead of ABN Q. How can one tell if an older Turbo machine can use the ADB equipment? A. Check the ROM monitor for eprom version 74. If not, order eprom p/n S1016 to upgrade. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Micropolis 1598 & NeXT slab... Message-ID: <C3v184.176@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <timm.731890472@zaphod> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 03:48:04 GMT In article <timm.731890472@zaphod> timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) writes: > I am trying to hook up a Micropolis 1598 drive to a NeXT > slab. Micropolis tech. support has been less than useless, > and refuses to give me the specs. for all but a few jumpers > on this drive (like SCSI ID, etc.). The file 1598spec.txt > that appears on their BBS doesn't contain the info. either. > Specifically, I need to know if this drive can be attached > to the external SCSI bus on a NeXT slab, and if so, what > are the proper jumper settings. I keep getting incomplete > SCSI reads on it (although it seemed to format okay), which I had the same problem with a Micropolis 1588 and tech support was less than useless then also. > leads me to think it's a termination problem (but perhaps > not). In any case, any help is much appreciated. Thanks. > Tim It's not a termination problem. It's a Micropolis firmware problem. The 1588 I had did the exact same thing. Something about the way the 15xx series handles the bus on a NeXT. i wound up sending my 1588 back to the vendor and getting a Maxtor PO-12S which just woked and gave me no hassles. > > -- > Tim McClarren | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks." > timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu| > (217)244-0015 | -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */ /* */ /* When I, as a person of African descent get equal treatment in ameriKKKa */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Old Hardware and ADB? Message-ID: <1993Mar13.220945.2049@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Mar13.172858.6803@mattcube> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 22:09:45 GMT In article <1993Mar13.172858.6803@mattcube> matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) writes: > In article <1993Mar13.035906.23221@niftyneato.com> hal@niftyneato.com(Hal > Fox-Palmer) writes: > > Just buy the new ROM's, and a ADB sound box for Color or the ADB L-board > > for the MegaPixel (Yes they sell it) for Mono. These are service parts and > > can be ordered by any NeXT Dealer who does servicing. BUT... NeXT is only > > selling service parts till March 29th, after that they will only sell a > > service part with exchange of the old part. DO IT NOW !!! > > > > Will this work on a NeXTCube also? (68040)? It works only for Turbos. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: cosc176t@menudo.uh.edu (Jason Asbahr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How good are DeskJets on theNeXT? Date: 14 Mar 1993 11:20:50 GMT Organization: /posole/cosc176t/.organization Distribution: world Message-ID: <COSC176T.93Mar14052050@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993Mar9.183902.14896@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <1993Mar10.000548.15422@Princeton.EDU> In-reply-to: djdobson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU's message of Wed, 10 Mar 1993 00:05:48 GMT Greets... Well, you'll be lucky to get one to hook up. NeXT doesn't seem to support it in PrintManager, and I downloaded the most recent version of DeskJet (2.0.3) from sonata and discovered that it didn't compile under 3.0. If anyone knows anything about this, like how it works or where a newer version can be found, I'd be really happy. I used the demo version of DOTS to get a friend's DeskJet 500 to work on my cube several months back. The output is OK, decent for text (source code!), usable for crude DTP, good for previewing docs before you have them professionally printed (at least for non-critical, non-professional jobs).... For purely personal use, DeskJets are nice. -- Jason Asbahr 116 E. Edgebrook #603 asbahr@uh.edu Houston, Texas 77034 next@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTmail) (713) 743-6995 voice asbahr@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTmail) UH NeXT Campus Consultant
From: mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: DeskJets vs DeskWriters Date: 14 Mar 93 17:31:27 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <mfausett.732130287@kirin> The subject of DeskJets on the NeXT keeps popping up periodically. I've nearly bought one or the other a few times; but it keeps coming down to which one...(I've got both a NeXT and a Mac). The DeskWriter communicates only one of two ways: 273Kbps LocalTalk or 57600 baud serial. (Mac's Happy, but NeXT can't connect!) The DeskJet communicates (serially) only up to 19200 baud. (Too Sloooooow) With YYRID's TTYDSP I can finally have a 57600 baud serial port on the NeXT, BUT -- Does the DeskWriter talk PCL like the DeskJet, or is another beast entirely? Inquiring minds want to know! Thanks, Mark Fausett mfausett@bbn.com (NeXTMail at mfausett@locutus.bbn.com)
From: jleon@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Juan Leon Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How good are DeskJets on theNeXT? Date: 14 Mar 1993 19:16:13 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <1o009t$35d7@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> References: <1993Mar9.183902.14896@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Well, I attach a HP DeskJet 500 to my NeXT Station running 3.0, and the resolution is good 300 dpi. It isn't fast like NeXT Printer, but is acceptable. Regards! Juan. -- Juan Leon Rodriguez Voice: (52-83) 58-2000 ext 4071 ITESM Campus Monterrey Fax : (52-83) 69-2004 Computer Technology Department Internet: jleon@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx RS/6000 Systems Support Assistant NeXTMail: jleon@roxette.mty.itesm.mx
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ed@talus.com Subject: Lucky GoldStar Message-ID: <1993Mar14.213632.470@talus.com> Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 21:36:32 GMT Hi there, anybody has a 1-800 number for GoldStar ? Those people are incredible : they don't advertise anywhere ! Their name is never mentionned in the ressource guides. And they are supposed to support NS486 ? Makes me laugh... A la revoyure, Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" Talus Corporation Dear Americans, my naive friends. Don't believe all you see on TV.
From: edx@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Lucky GoldStar Message-ID: <1993Mar14.185937.65157@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Mar 93 18:59:37 MDT References: <1993Mar14.213632.470@talus.com> Organization: Utah State University In article <1993Mar14.213632.470@talus.com>, ed@talus.com writes: > > Hi there, > > anybody has a 1-800 number for GoldStar ? Those people are incredible : they don't advertise > anywhere ! Their name is never mentionned in the ressource guides. And they are supposed to > support NS486 ? Makes me laugh... > > A la revoyure, > > Ed. Ah, sounds like NeXT's kind of company! Birds of a feather...
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Message-ID: <kfd0E0m00WB50PHnUU@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 23:20:16 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: using serial port A to connect a vt200 terminal In-Reply-To: <1993Mar12.205119.24483@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 12-Mar-93 using serial port A to conn.. by Steve Azmier@wc24.writer > Anyway the only way I can get the terminal to work is by setting it to > > 7 data bits > even parity > > It is also set for vt200-7 > Fix this by changing the entry for std.9600 in /etc/gettytab to specify the "p8" option. This will tell getty to use 8 data bits and no parity communications. (do a "man gettytab"...) > The line in the /etc/ttys of note is: > > ttya "/usr/etc/getty std.9600" vt200-80 on secure > > We used the pin configuration as recommended by NeXT. Does that pin > configuration (pg. 188 System Admin. Guide) assume only 7 data bits can > be used for transferring data? These are serial ports...there is no assumption made about the number of data bits (at least at this level). 7-even-1 simply happens to be the default setting for getty. > I know emacs expects 8 data bits. This is not correct. Emacs will work fine over 7 bit lines...emacs *will* take advantage of the 8th bit if it's available to perform the 'meta' key functions (ie, meta-x == ESC x). > Any ideas why emacs won't cooperate and what would the fix be? One problem that you may be running into is the fact that VTxxx terminals generally try to use software (XON-XOFF) flow control. Emacs will not work well on a terminal using XON-XOFF. Make sure that you use the proper cable, and use device /dev/ttyfa to enable hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control. You must also set the terminal to use hardware flow control. Good luck, -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: MIDI Interfaces Message-ID: <1993Mar15.172002.882@otago.ac.nz> From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson), University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Date: 15 Mar 93 17:20:01 +1300 OK, I have a NeXTstation Turbo Color, I have a MIDI synthesizer, I have the Music Kit from CCRMA. What do I need to connect one to t'other. I know there are several companies who make MIDI interfaces, but which is best? cheapest? What do the interfaces do? Is it just a fancy cable? Can I build one myself. Well after all those questions, I think I will go and have a cup of tea and a lie down! 8-) Thanks in advance, Alastair -- ========================================================================== ===== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 University of Otago, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 Department of Computer Science, | e-mail alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | NeXTmail Welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Subject: Re: Extended warrenty/service contract Message-ID: <1993Mar15.152635.27199@bmw.mayo.edu> Sender: newsman@bmw.mayo.edu (Usenet News Administrator) Organization: Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN. Campus References: <1993Mar14.005213.7208@colorado.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 15:26:35 GMT In article <1993Mar14.005213.7208@colorado.edu> adam@bastille.rmnug.org (Adam Fedor) writes: > This may or may not have anything to do with NeXT dropping hardware, > but... > > My one year warranty is just about up and I was wondering: > > 1) If I could still get an extended warranty for my NeXT? Yes, through Motorola > 2) SHOULD I get an extended warranty? My opinion - No. I have 30 or so NeXTs, most over 2 years old, and I had 2 (3 if you count my NeXT printer starting to show some fusion unit problems last week), service calls in the last year. One was a 4 year old 330 drive, and the other was on 4 year old 'classic cube' monitor. The total of both repairs was $1500. Note both were old hardware and both were over 4 years old. (and the printer is 4 years old to boot!). In the four years I have coordinated our NeXT hardware maintenance, I have logged 10 service calls, all but 5 under the warranty period (the above, plus 1 keyboard, another monitor, and I have one dead mouse). This does not count 1 DOA part, and the battles I had with ODs on systems that used ODs as system disks;-) I would rather suggest you buy a good power conditioner/UPS for your entire system (printer included). Then start saving for a new harddrive (say 300/year). Whether or not it breaks, you will likely want one in less than 5 years ;-). If memory serves, the base maintenance from Motorola is about $400/year (monitor, slab, power supply, keyboard, and mouse), with harddisk size, and distance from service center major 'uplifts' to the price. In comparison, I have Sun's that require a service call every time the power goes out (for the 'tap' adjustment on the harddrive ;-). > thanks, -- - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yjwu@unix.cie.rpi.edu (Yeun-Jung Wu) Subject: Hook up Fujitsu 3.5" drive M2694SA to 040 cube; any experience? Message-ID: <f1147cf@rpi.edu> Summary: Hard drive installation, Fujitsu 3.5" M2694SA Keywords: Fujitsu 3.5" M2694SA, NeXT 040 cube. I am going to get a 1Gb 3.5"hard drive (Fujitsu M2694SA) for Organization: CIE, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 19:50:53 GMT 1) Since I am going to install it internally and use it as boot device is it possible to plug the new drive in and start building NeXTSTEP 3.0 from CD-ROM? How to set the jumpers on this drive? I have non-SCSI floppy drive so probably I can "kick start" the building disk process from floppy disk, am I right? 2) Any change to fstab.. etc. for this drive? 3) Advice on disk partition. 4) How to get more space by reformatting it to 1024/block? 5) Words of caution. Any overheat problem? Noisy? Thank you in advanced! ============================================================ Yeun-Jung Wu yjwu@phys.sinica.edu.tw Institute of Physics Academia Sinica Nankang, Taipei, 11529 Taiwan
From: risner@ms.uky.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: cube for sale Message-ID: <1993Mar15.230145.180336@lexmark.com> Date: 15 Mar 93 23:01:45 GMT Sender: usenet@lexmark.com (News Dude) Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, Kentucky In <1n8o22INNhjf@news.gac.edu> jengelha@nic.gac.edu (Jeff Engelhardt) writes: > > Hello, > The subject pretty much says it all; 16M RAM / 660M HDD cube for sale. > It also has an optical drive. If you are interested, make an offer. $1900 without the OD. Risner
From: mkbayn00@ukpr.uky.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: cube for sale Message-ID: <1993Mar15.230844.180520@lexmark.com> Date: 15 Mar 93 23:08:44 GMT Sender: usenet@lexmark.com (News Dude) Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, Kentucky In <1n8o22INNhjf@news.gac.edu> jengelha@nic.gac.edu (Jeff Engelhardt) writes: > > Hello, > The subject pretty much says it all; 16M RAM / 660M HDD cube for sale. > It also has an optical drive. If you are interested, make an offer. > > Thank you > Jeff Engelhardt > > > -- > ========= > Jeff Engelhardt > > jengelha@gac.edu <- NeXTMail Welcome > jengelha@vax2.gac.edu > ========= Are you interested in selling just the OD? I already own a NextCube but unfortunately bought mine without an optical drive. If so let me know and I will make you an offer. -Ray Hyatt, Jr.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: beringer@iap.unibe.ch Subject: Seagate ST11200N 1GB disk Message-ID: <1993Mar15.225523.29752@aragorn.unibe.ch> Sender: news@aragorn.unibe.ch Organization: University of Berne, Switzerland Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 22:55:23 GMT I think about purchasing a Seagate ST11200N 1GB disk. Rather than using it as an additional external disk, I would prefer to install it internally. However, before doing this I would like to hear about any experience with this disk (I have browsed through older messages in comp.sys.next.hardware but haven't found much about the ST11200N). In particular I would like to know the following: 1) Are there any problems in using the ST11200N drive in an (older) 25MHz NeXTstation with 20MB RAM installed (heat and/or power problems)? What are the power requirements of the ST11200N and of the Seagate ST1480 (the 400MB drive that I currently use)? 2) Any problems with the installation of this disk, either as an internal or external device? Thanks a lot for your help! Juerg Beringer ************************************************************************** Juerg Beringer Phone: +41 (31) 65 89 29 University of Bern FAX: +41 (31) 65 37 65 Institute for Applied Physics Sidlerstrasse 5 e-mail: beringer@iap.unibe.ch CH-3012 Bern HEPNET/SPAN: 20579::49203::BERINGER SWITZERLAND DECNET (Switzerland): 49203::BERINGER **************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jland@lodge.nwu.edu (John Landwehr) Subject: Floppy for 040 Cube info wanted Message-ID: <1993Mar16.005900.5335@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 00:59:00 GMT I remember hearing about a company that offered an external floppy drive for 040 cube owners who wanted to keep their OD, and HD... If I remember correctly, it was some sort of hack, where you would run the wires out the back, but it was supposed to be considerably cheaper than buying a SCSI floppy. Does anyone still have this info? Thanks! -- John Landwehr jland@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: DAT and 128Mb optical drives for the NeXT - compatibility? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.014347.27640@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Mar7.024014.26328@wuphys.wustl.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 01:43:47 GMT Donald N. Petcher (petcher@howdy.wustl.edu) wrote: : What does it take for a DAT drive and an optical drive (128Mb 3.5" variety) : to work with a NeXT? I am interested in both, and have noticed that in : particular the ones being sold as Macintosh compatible have pretty good : prices. (MacDirect sells each at about the $1000-$1100 mark.) Would these : work? : Here we experimented with the Pinnacle drive. Connect and go. : Related questions: : : Are ALL 3.5" opticals diskwise compatible? (I saw one ad that explicit : mentions "single-sided" 128Mb optical, which made me wonder...). Is there a : reliablity question here? : We found that ones supplied by IBM did NOT work well with the Pinnacle drive, while ones from SONY worked like a charm in both the Pinnacle and IBM drives, and were cheaper too. Oxymoron: IBM Open Systems... -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: cube for sale Message-ID: <1993Mar16.023218.11323@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Mar15.230844.180520@lexmark.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 02:32:18 GMT It's bad enough to have "for sale" postings in this group, will you losers please stop posting your replies! -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (System Administrator) Subject: Re: External Hard Drive, Ownership and File Creation Mask Message-ID: <1993Mar16.023149.29388@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Mar12.185728.19160@news.cs.brandeis.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 02:31:49 GMT brendan mcdougall (mcdougal@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu) wrote: : Hi, : : The PI in this group purchased and installed an ADS external 1G hard : drive. At this point a private user owns the hard drive. Doing a : recursive chown, i.e. chown -R root /'disk', does not change the ownership : of the disk after logging out from root. Too, file creation mask changes : from root do not last past terminating that root session. : : To the Gurus, what the *%$# is the problem and how is this really managed. : : Please post to the group and if you send me responses directly, which I : would appreciate, I will summarize the responses and post to the group. : : Thank you very much for your help. : : Best regards, : : Brendan McDougall Best way to handle this is to put it in the host machines /etc/fstab Add a line that looks like this: /dev/sd1a /diskmountpoint 4.3 rw,noquota 0 1 Now manually unmount the disk, and then remount it. Disks that are 'discovered' by the workspace seem to belong to whoever is currently logged on. -- => Sherwood Botsford sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= => University of Alberta Lab Manager, Space Physics Group <= => tel:403 492-3713 fax: 403 492-4256 <=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: seung@guardian.cs.psu.edu (Gueesang Lee) Subject: Connecting a terminal to NeXT station by null modem Message-ID: <C3ytoF.H0u@cs.psu.edu> Sender: news@cs.psu.edu (Usenet) Organization: Penn State Computer Science Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 04:55:26 GMT I am trying to connect XT terminal to NeXT station serial port B using null modem. The cable is ready, but I am not sure where to go from here. Does anybody know what should be done in NeXT, for example setting device files etc? I would appreciate any help from you.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Michele Giardini) Subject: Connecting an HP Laserjet IIP Sender: news-mail@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (News mail user) Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 11:41:49 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar16.114149.26593@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> I'm new to NeXT and I have a little problem connecting my HP Laserjet IIP (non postscript) to a NeXTStation Turbo. Is there a way to avoid the postscript cartridge? I know that is possible to use a Deskjet 500 by running a specific program, is there a similiar program for the Laserjet? Because I'm using a login that's not mine, please send the answer to: MC1589@mclink.it Thank you. Andrea Rigoni -- Giardini Michele - Computer Science Department State University of Milan - NeXT2You (The Italian NeXT User Group) Via Comelico 39/41 - 20135 Milano Tel. +39 2 55006385 Fax +39 2 55006373 Email: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (NeXT mail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fred@wicket.fdn.org (Frederic Pralong) Subject: Summary : Kodak cd on NeXT CD drive ? Message-ID: <1993Mar16.094926.1786@wicket.fdn.org> Sender: news@wicket.fdn.org Organization: Individual - Paris, France. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 09:49:26 GMT In comp.sys.next.hardware article <1993Mar10.210320.377@wicket.fdn.org> you wrote: > I want to read CD-KODAK on my NeXT CD-ROM drive, is it possible ? Someone > told me that there is a shareware wich can do this. Thanks for all your answers. For example this one of Michael R Conners (mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu), which give a good summary of all I received: "Yep, sure can. At sonata.cc.purdue.edu in the /pub/next/submissions directory there's an app called pCD. It works fine. Read all of the notes and documentation carefully. The app is reads onlyu single session CD's - i.e. if you take the CD in to put more pictures on it, the app can only read what was on the first session." Confirm and more explications by Guy Roberts (guy@infotec.ch) "You need a multi session CD player to see more than one session of pictures. Without a multi session CD ROM player you will not be able to see the second set of pictures." Thanks all, thanks Usenet FReD -- Frederic Pralong fred@wicket.fdn.org Paris - FRANCE "Si, comme on le dit, ce sont toujours les meilleurs qui s en vont les premiers, que penser des ejaculateurs precoces ?" Pierre Desproges.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Tony_Wosnjuk@Novell.COM Subject: Mono Station SIMMs in Color Station? Message-ID: <C3zMEt.CuL@Novell.COM> Sender: usenet@Novell.COM (Usenet News) Organization: Novell, Inc. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 15:16:05 GMT Can I put Mono Station SIMMs in Color Stations. I know this is a FAQ, but I don't have a copy of one right now. Could you please e-mail the answer. THANKS. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Tony Wosnjuk (Vos-Nilk) Novell Inc. 122 East 1700 South Mail Stop D-14-1 Provo, Utah 84601 (801) 429-3458 Internet : Tony_Wosnjuk@Novell.COM (NeXT mail Welcome) --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P(%P*0V%N($D@<'5T M($UO;F\@4W1A=&EO;B!324U-<R!I;B!#;VQO<B!3=&%T:6]N<RX@($D@:VYO M=R!T:&ES(&ES(&$@1D%1+"!B=70@22!D;VXG="!H879E(&$@8V]P>2!O9B!O M;F4@<FEG:'0@;F]W+EP*7`I#;W5L9"!Y;W4@<&QE87-E(&4M;6%I;"!T:&4@ M86YS=V5R+EP*7`I42$%.2U,N7`I<"BTM7`HM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM M+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM M+2TM+2TM+2TM7`H@(%1O;GD@5V]S;FIU:R`H5F]S+4YI;&LI7`H@($YO=F5L M;"!);F,N("`@("`Q,C(@16%S="`Q-S`P(%-O=71H("`@("`@($UA:6P@4W1O M<"!$+3$T+3%<"B`@4')O=F\L(%5T86@@(#@T-C`Q("`@("`H.#`Q*2`T,CDM M,S0U.%P*("!);G1E<FYE="`Z(%1O;GE?5V]S;FIU:T!.;W9E;&PN0T]-("`H M3F585"!M86EL(%=E;&-O;64I7`HM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM M+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM+2TM (+2TM7`H*?0HM `
Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Subject: CD-ROM drive: which one would you buy?? Sender: gemoe@proximus.north.de Organization: Gerhard Moeller, German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg. Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 07:59:10 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar16.075910.696@proximus.north.de> Hi you all out in the space! I have a very important (well, for me it's important) question: ============================================================= Which is the best CD-ROM drive that is working with the NeXT? ============================================================= For me, SPEED and RELIABILITY are more important than anything else, as I have a CD-player for music and I don't make photographies, nor I'm DTP specialist. (That is, I don't really need those multisession capabilities) Also it would be nice, if you would send me the prices - possibly with student and NUG discounts available. I think the best would be if you email me, I promise to write a summary! Thank you very much for your help, Gerhard. PS: I will buy a drive in summer -- that's why this question! -- +---------------------------< principiis obsta! >---------------------------+ N Gerhard Moeller, Teichstrasse 12, 2900 Oldenburg (FRG) [*: 02/21/1968] N e Private: gemoe@proximus.north.de Phone (voice): +49-441-75520 e X Uni: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE NeXTmail X T Z-Net: Gerhard.Moeller@uniol.zer encouraged! T +-> NoGeNUG - Northern German NeXT User Group: NoGeNUG@proximus.north.DE <-+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) Subject: Re: CDROM no eject on logout Message-ID: <1993Mar16.220556.7050@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1nqavpINNkav@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 22:05:56 GMT In article <1nqavpINNkav@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) writes: > In article <1993Mar12.093149.374@pyrian.com> ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) > writes: > #I would like to keep the CD-ROM from ejecting when any > #user logs out of the Workspace. > # > #Thanks > #-- > #Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 > #Pyrian Software Group | CIS 71101,1260 > #Always looking for new SW to market | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com > #NeXT,Mac,PC & Sun | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK? > > You can do this by mounting the CD-Rom via /etc/fstab: > > 1) Determine what device ID the CD-Rom has after boot (example, sd1) > 2) add an entry in /etc/fstab to mount the CD-Rom > > /dev/sd0a / 4.3 rw,noquota, noauto 0 1 <- this was already there > /dev/sd1a /CD-Rom 4.3 noquota,ro 0 0 <- mount READ-ONLY!!! > > Now the disk will not eject when a user logs out. But, there is one other > problem -- the manual eject button. If a user presses that button, the > CD-Rom drive will eject the disk, no matter what without telling the OS > about it... this leads to much confusion and headache. > -- > Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) > The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT > Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) > NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC > >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< > "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime." I've been trying to do this too, except with an OD. I've tried the procedure in the sys admin manual, but the darn disk keeps getting spit out. My fstab entry for the disk looks like: /dev/sd1a /Alpha 4.3 rw,noquota,noauto 0 2 When I reboot, mount tells me that it's removeable. Can anyone point me towards the right direction? I have a disktab entry for the drive. Maybe something in there? The OD is a Pinnacle 650. Many thanks. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eugene Mah ----> eugene@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (NeXT-Mail) grad student/sys admin "How sweet to be a Cloud Department of Radiology Floating in the Blue University of Alberta Hospitals It makes him very proud Edmonton, Alberta, Canada To be a little cloud" Winnie the Pooh
From: jschuman@cerf.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: RE: Canon Color Printer vs. NeXT Date: 17 Mar 1993 00:47:16 GMT Organization: CERFnet Message-ID: <1o5sekINNbn7@news.cerf.net> Keywords: color next printer canon Forwarded from Canon forum on Compuserve.. GO CANON. Peter it is true the next printer uses canon color bubble jet technology, but the printers controller is different between the NeXT version and the Canon BJC-820 version. The BJC-820 was designed for the Macintosh world and therefore we have a quickdraw driver. We do not have the same firmware as the NeXT nor do we have a printer driver supporting the NeXT environment. Tim Venettozzi Canon Computer Systems 76702.1473@compuserve.com
From: jschuman@cerf.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: RE: Canon Color Printer Problem Date: 17 Mar 1993 00:58:16 GMT Organization: CERFnet Message-ID: <1o5t39INNbso@news.cerf.net> Keywords: color printer canon next >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware >>Path: news.cerf.net!network.ucsd.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.prima te.wisc.edu!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!The-Star.honeywell.com!umn.edu!news >> From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) >> Subject: Canon Color Printer Problem >> Message-ID: <C3t13x.50I@news.cis.umn.edu> >> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) >> Organization: University of Minnesota >> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 01:49:56 GMT >> Lines: 13 >> >> I have a friend that ordered a NeXT color printer. Becuase >> of changes at NeXT, the order was never acknowledged or filled. >> As a result, he bought a Canon BJC color printer. Except for >> the lack of a NeXT logo and a classy black finish, it is the >> same printer. >> >> He can't get it to work on the NeXT though. He has connected >> about a dozen NeXT color printers up, and the process is >> completely idiot proof, yet all the Canon printer will do is >> spit garbage type back. Any ideas on how to make this work? >> >> peter >> peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu ******************************************************************* FORWARDED FROM THE CANON FORUM ON COMPUSERVE: GO CANON ******************************************************************* Peter, it is true the NeXT printer uses Canon color BubbleJet technology, but the printers controller is different between the NeXT version and the Canon BJC-820 version. The BJC-820 was designed for the macintosh world and therefore we have a quickdraw driver. We do not have the same firmware as the NeXT nor do we have a printer driver supporting the next environment. Tim Venettozzi Technical Support/SYSOP Canon Computer Systems 76702.1473@compuserve.com
From: jschuman@cerf.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: RE: Canon Color Printer Problem Date: 17 Mar 1993 00:59:10 GMT Organization: CERFnet Distribution: world Message-ID: <1o5t4uINNbsr@news.cerf.net> Keywords: color printer canon next >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware >>Path: news.cerf.net!network.ucsd.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.prima te.wisc.edu!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!The-Star.honeywell.com!umn.edu!news >> From: peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu (Peter Eisch) >> Subject: Canon Color Printer Problem >> Message-ID: <C3t13x.50I@news.cis.umn.edu> >> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) >> Organization: University of Minnesota >> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 01:49:56 GMT >> Lines: 13 >> >> I have a friend that ordered a NeXT color printer. Becuase >> of changes at NeXT, the order was never acknowledged or filled. >> As a result, he bought a Canon BJC color printer. Except for >> the lack of a NeXT logo and a classy black finish, it is the >> same printer. >> >> He can't get it to work on the NeXT though. He has connected >> about a dozen NeXT color printers up, and the process is >> completely idiot proof, yet all the Canon printer will do is >> spit garbage type back. Any ideas on how to make this work? >> >> peter >> peter@tahiti.umhc.umn.edu ******************************************************************* FORWARDED FROM THE CANON FORUM ON COMPUSERVE: GO CANON ******************************************************************* Peter, it is true the NeXT printer uses Canon color BubbleJet technology, but the printers controller is different between the NeXT version and the Canon BJC-820 version. The BJC-820 was designed for the macintosh world and therefore we have a quickdraw driver. We do not have the same firmware as the NeXT nor do we have a printer driver supporting the next environment. Tim Venettozzi Technical Support/SYSOP Canon Computer Systems 76702.1473@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: SCSI drive for PCMCIA cards? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 05:25:27 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Mar17.052527.172@tkymail.sps.mot.com> I would like to move files between my slab and my laptop, which has two PCMCIA card slots. Has anybody seen a SCSI-based drive for PCMCIA cards out on the market yet? Thanks in advance. --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jr@sade.ka.sub.org (Jochen Richter) Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive: which one would you buy?? References: <1993Mar16.075910.696@proximus.north.de> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 07:26:58 GMT Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn Sender: news@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Das Newssystem auf pilhuhn) Message-ID: <1993Mar17.072658.22355@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org> In article <1993Mar16.075910.696@proximus.north.de> gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) writes: > Hi you all out in the space! > > I have a very important (well, for me it's important) question: > > ============================================================= > Which is the best CD-ROM drive that is working with the NeXT? > ============================================================= > > For me, SPEED and RELIABILITY are more important than anything else, > as I have a CD-player for music and I don't make photographies, nor > I'm DTP specialist. (That is, I don't really need those multisession > capabilities) > > Also it would be nice, if you would send me the prices - possibly with > student and NUG discounts available. > > I think the best would be if you email me, I promise to write a summary! > > Thank you very much for your help, > Gerhard. > > PS: I will buy a drive in summer -- that's why this question! > > -- > +---------------------------< principiis obsta! >---------------------------+ > N Gerhard Moeller, Teichstrasse 12, 2900 Oldenburg (FRG) [*: 02/21/1968] N > e Private: gemoe@proximus.north.de Phone (voice): +49-441-75520 e > X Uni: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE NeXTmail X > T Z-Net: Gerhard.Moeller@uniol.zer encouraged! T > +-> NoGeNUG - Northern German NeXT User Group: NoGeNUG@proximus.north.DE <-+ The fastest drive on the market at the present moment is the Toshiba XM3401 (200ms, 330KB, 256KB cache). I use it with the NeXT and it is lightning fast with ISO, HFS and Rockridge CDs and it supports multisession Photo-CDs. It does NOT work with Photo-CDs on the NeXT due to the lack of a proper CD-XA driver which is available from third party. -- Jochen Richter Phone +49-721-696922 Zahringerstrasse 57 Fax +49-721-696988 D-7500 Karlsruhe 1 e-mail: jr@sade.ka.sub.org Germany jr@resy.kfk.de (>50K)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wylie@nrcnet0.nrc.ca (Rob Wylie - M50 Rm 263 993-8561) Subject: cleaning ODs Message-ID: <1993Mar17.141400.10206@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: National Research Council, Ottawa, Canada Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 14:14:00 GMT Hi all, Damn! My optical drive has finally started exhibiting what I suspect are dust-contamination symptoms...(spinup-spindown, spinup-spindown, eject-or-lock-up) So, I have 3 questions: 1) is there an easier way to force a disk to eject than to enter the rom monitor and type ej? 2) what fluid should I be using to clean the optics in the drive? 3) what fluid should I be using to clean the disk surfaces? thanx, RobW
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Harold Brokaw <harold_brokaw@imagine.com> Subject: Printer Support Message-ID: <1993Mar16.000822.7887@imagine.com> Keywords: printer Sender: hal@imagine.com Organization: Imagine Multimedia, Inc., Ann Arbor, MI, USA Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 00:08:22 GMT Where can I get a list of printers which I can use for my NeXT? Specifically I am wondering about non-PostScript printers. Thanks, Hal Brokaw hal@imagine.com
From: grant@Manticore.COM (Grant J. Munsey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: LaserJet 4M question Message-ID: <372@gouche.UUCP> Date: 17 Mar 93 16:31:22 GMT Sender: grant@gouche.UUCP I am thinking about buying a LaserJet 4M. Anybody have one of these working with a NeXT? If so do they work alright? Thanks, ---- Grant Munsey, Mainticore, Inc., (408)252-1135, fax: (408)446-9355 grant@manticore.com or uunet!ub-gate!gouche!grant
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) Subject: Re: cleaning ODs Message-ID: <1993Mar17.172104.29178@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio References: <1993Mar17.141400.10206@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 17:21:04 GMT In article <1993Mar17.141400.10206@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> wylie@nrcnet0.nrc.ca (Rob Wylie - M50 Rm 263 993-8561) writes: > Hi all, > > Damn! My optical drive has finally started exhibiting what I suspect are > dust-contamination symptoms...(spinup-spindown, spinup-spindown, > eject-or-lock-up) > > So, I have 3 questions: > > 1) is there an easier way to force a disk to eject than to enter the > rom monitor and type ej? > > 2) what fluid should I be using to clean the optics in the drive? > > 3) what fluid should I be using to clean the disk surfaces? > > thanx, > RobW We have four older cubes with OD drives and here are my comments on fighting the dust. 1. Clean your system every couple of weeks. The fan sucks air in and therefore sucks the dust in. 2. Get the dust filter that protects the OD drive. Call NeXT at 1-800-848-NeXT for ordering info. The price is $15 I think. 3. The disk cleaning kit that we have is from Canon, Code R58-7001-000. 4. The drive cleaning kit we have is from Canon, Code SSM-J6902. I don't know the price on these last two items. Also does anybody know where I can get the drives realigned??? We have a bad drive and two heading to drive heaven. Thanks and Good Luck, Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: collier@zoe.unocal.com (Eddie Collier) Subject: Next CD on Sun,Pc,..? Message-ID: <1993Mar17.212642.25686@unocal.com> Originator: collier@zoe Sender: news@unocal.com (Unocal USENET News) Organization: Unocal Corporation, Lafayette, Louisiana Distribution: na Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 21:26:42 GMT Does anyone know if it is possible to hook up a NEXT Magneto-Optical Drive ( p/n 3000) to anything other than a NEXT..... Thanks In Advance Eddie Collier collier@lafayette.unocal.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) Subject: NeXT 21" color monitor on 486? Message-ID: <1993Mar17.204159.13082@netcom.com> Sender: yikes@netcom.com (Jenny Doll) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 20:41:59 GMT Anyone know if you can use a NeXT 21" color monitor with a 486? Assume I have a "standard" accelerated local bus video card, do I need a special cable or is it hopeless? Thanks, ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) -- ----
From: wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu (Wassim M. Jabi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: A Good Hard Disk Black Case Source, FINALLY Date: 18 Mar 1993 01:26:59 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1o8j53INNd9n@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Today (Wednsday March 17, 1993) I finally received the black hard drive case I requested from Cube Route months ago. It is a *BEAUTIFUL* case for my 3.5" Fujtsu M2624-FA 520MB. It is well built. The disk sits on top of the power supply with the fan on the back rather than on the bottom were no air can be vented properly. Here are the pros and cons: Pros: 1. Elegant design (What can I say, I'm an architect!!) 2. Sturdy, well-built, originally black, not spray painted on top of a platinum color. 3. IMHO, the fan is well positioned. Good ventilation Cons: 1. Mounting holes did not match my drive. Had to drill four new holes. (In the mounting brackets... not the disk!!!! yeeks ;-) 2. SCSI ID selector plugs did not match my drive's. Had to pull one from my old dead case. (The power supply in it was dead) 3. Fan is noiser than the old one I had, but at least it is doing its job right! 4. Took forever for it to reach me. The ysent me the wrong case first. 5. A bit expensive, but worth it (Am I confused or what?!?!) I got it for $160 + 20 shipping = $180 C.O.D. The whole reason I got a new case (and power supply) is because the old one kept causing the hard disk to spin down and thus crashing my system). I have replaced the drive itself under warranty with no success. I have tried the drive with another computer, same thing happens. So, I suspected either the cables or the power supply (Jumpers are set correctly (I double-checked). So, I hope this new case will solve my problems. Disclaimer: I do not work for or have any financial interest in Cube Route. You can call them at 1-800-CUBE-RTE. Tell them Wassim sent you (if you want them to hang the phone in your face ;-) -- Wassim M. Jabi (313) 936-0229 Doctoral Program in Architecture, University of Michigan 2000 Bonisteel Boulevard Ann Arbor Michigan 48105-2313 wjabi@libra.arch.umich.edu NeXTMail-friendly
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT 21" color monitor on 486? Message-ID: <Mar.18.01.00.54.1993.5092@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 18 Mar 93 06:00:54 GMT References: <1993Mar17.204159.13082@netcom.com> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) writes: >Anyone know if you can use a NeXT 21" color monitor with a 486? >Assume I have a "standard" accelerated local bus video card, do I >need a special cable or is it hopeless? I would be interested in the answer to this too! Would some one who know please post an answer to the net. Thank You. later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!sci34hub!tybrin4!holli!me (Trey McClendon) Subject: Re: How good are DeskJets on theNeXT? Message-ID: <1993Mar18.025221.5954@holli.uucp> Sender: me@holli.uucp (My Account) Organization: TYBRIN Corporation -- Huntsville, AL References: <1o009t$35d7@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 02:52:21 GMT In article <1o009t$35d7@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> jleon@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Juan Leon Rodriguez) writes: > Well, > > I attach a HP DeskJet 500 to my NeXT Station running 3.0, and the resolution > is good 300 dpi. It isn't fast like NeXT Printer, but is acceptable. > > Regards! > > Juan. I agree wholeheartedly. If you don't need absolute laser quality and don't regularly print 700 page tomes, then the DeskJet is for you. I and another at my office both have DeskJets on our NeXTs and we both like them. That DeskJet portable (Black) with the sheet feed option looks good too... Trey -- Trey McClendon, Madison, AL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Re: How good are DeskJets on theNeXT? Message-ID: <1993Mar18.072155.8974@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <1993Mar18.025221.5954@holli.uucp> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 07:21:55 GMT Trey McClendon writes > them. That DeskJet portable (Black) with the sheet feed option looks good > too... Do you know anything about the portable? Is the sheet feeder any good? Does it use level 3 compression? etc. I saw an add that claimed it was a 3 page per minute printer while I hear the DJ500 is a 2 ppm machine. I guess the real question is: who out there has used a portable on a NeXT and how does it compare to the normal DJ's. --Glenn
From: garth@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Garth Zeglin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: any reports on Digital Ears or other NeXT audio samplers? Date: 18 Mar 1993 14:23:59 GMT Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab Message-ID: <1oa0lvINNjhq@life.ai.mit.edu> I am interested in buying a CD-quality stereo audio sampler for my NeXT to experiment with sound processing. If you have experience with the Metaresearch Digital Ears or SoundWorks products, or the more expensive audio samplers on the NeXT, I would like some user feedback. I am interested in information on sound quality, ease of use, and software support. Please respond via email to garth@ai.mit.edu. Thank you. Garth Zeglin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: coil@osc.edu (Stacy D. Coil) Subject: Re: cleaning ODs Message-ID: <1993Mar18.161003.25217@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> Keywords: OD Drive Sender: news@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Usenet News Poster) References: <1993Mar17.172104.29178@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 16:10:03 GMT In article <1993Mar17.172104.29178@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton) writes: > In article <1993Mar17.141400.10206@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> wylie@nrcnet0.nrc.ca > (Rob Wylie - M50 Rm 263 993-8561) writes: > > Hi all, > > > > Damn! My optical drive has finally started exhibiting what I suspect are > > dust-contamination symptoms...(spinup-spindown, spinup-spindown, > > eject-or-lock-up) > > > > So, I have 3 questions: > > > > 1) is there an easier way to force a disk to eject than to enter the > > rom monitor and type ej? > > > > 2) what fluid should I be using to clean the optics in the drive? > > > > 3) what fluid should I be using to clean the disk surfaces? > > > > thanx, > > RobW > > We have four older cubes with OD drives and here are my comments on fighting the dust. > > 1. Clean your system every couple of weeks. The fan sucks air in and therefore sucks the dust in. > > 2. Get the dust filter that protects the OD drive. Call NeXT at 1-800-848-NeXT for ordering info. The price is $15 I think. > > 3. The disk cleaning kit that we have is from Canon, Code R58-7001-000. > > 4. The drive cleaning kit we have is from Canon, Code SSM-J6902. > > I don't know the price on these last two items. Also does anybody know where I can get the drives realigned??? We have a bad drive and two heading to drive heaven. > > Thanks and Good Luck, > > Dan A couple of our drives got so bad, that I finally pulled the drives out and took them apart. The top is held in place by four screws. Once off, the top pivots back like a lid. I used canned air to blow the dust of the circuit board and the upper mechanism. To get to the optics remove the cables from J201 and J202, then turn the drive over and remove the four screws. Lift the cover off and clean the drive. To clean the optics, I used isopropyl alcohol and a lint free cloth. Put the drive back together, and it is as good as new!!! I haven't had any problems since. By the way, an associate told me that the Cannon drive cleaning kit was a couple of hundred dollars. Stacy
From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Floppy drives? Date: 18 Mar 1993 16:22:28 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1oa7k4$f0f@hamblin.math.byu.edu> What is the current going rate for new floppy drives (external, scsi)? -Bill --
From: rring@willamette.edu (Robert Ring) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Floating-point processor questions Summary: Please help!!! Message-ID: <C43EEn.63H@willamette.edu> Date: 18 Mar 93 16:13:34 GMT Article-I.D.: willamet.C43EEn.63H Followup-To: poster Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR Hello everyone. I'm not sure where to post these questions; apologies in advance for any wasted bandwidth. Floating-point processor questions: 1. What type of floating-point processor is in this NeXTstation Turbo on which I am writing this? The Workspace Manager says I'm running "System Release 2.2, Workspace Version 218.4, PostScript Version 2.2.56.6, Processor 33 MHz 68040, Memory 8.00MB, Disk 239MB" 2. How does one control the rounding direction of the floating-point processor? Can one control it at all? (I'm hoping one can, based on the fact that "man 3m math" and "man ieee" both refer to IEEE Standard 754 which requires that the rounding direction be specifiable. In fact, in "man 3m math" I find the following: IEEE STANDARD 754 Floating-Point Arithmetic: This standard is on its way to becoming more widely adopted than any other design for computer arithmetic. VLSI chips that conform to some version of that standard have been pro- duced by a host of manufacturers, among them ... Intel i8087, i80287 National Semiconductor 32081 Motorola 68881 Weitek WTL-1032, ... , -1165 Zilog Z8070 Western Electric (AT&T) WE32106. Also, I understand that the NeXTCubes used the Motorola 68882 chip for a floating-point processor.) Your assistance in this matter is *greatly* appreciated. Please give me your full name and organization affiliation when you reply so I can properly acknowledge your assistance in the documentation for this project. Replies via e-mail are preferred. Thanks again. Robert.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.periphs.scsi From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis) Subject: SCSI Diagnostic/Analysis Software? Message-ID: <1993Mar18.192841.23562@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 19:28:41 GMT Greetings, Does anyone know of an application that can monitor and log all activity on the NeXT's SCSI bus, preferably with the ability to filter certain target IDs? I'm trying to get a Panasonic LF-7010 Optical Drive working on my NSTC, but the drive and the NeXT's host adapter can't seem to agree on the commmand format; the drive keeps returning a check condition with an "illegal CDB entry" sense key. Thanks, Steve -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Steve Davis | sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov | | NASA, DL-DSD-32 | #include <disclaimer.h> | | Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899 | HSSC Mail: RDAVIS | | (407)867-7582 fax:(407)867-2173 | HSSC Phone: 633-5799 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: woden@asgard.csuohio.edu (the Creator) Subject: Re: cleaning ODs Message-ID: <1993Mar18.195835.4314@news.csuohio.edu> Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University References: <1993Mar17.141400.10206@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 19:58:35 GMT In article <1993Mar17.141400.10206@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> wylie@nrcnet0.nrc.ca (Rob Wylie - M50 Rm 263 993-8561) writes: > I have 3 questions: > > 1) is there an easier way to force a disk to eject than to enter the > rom monitor and type ej? Yes, one of the things that "funny" screw-driver like thing they sent with the cube does is to mechanically eject the od. You must "insert the NeXT hex wrench into the hole next to the opening of the drive, and push hard..." according to the User's Reference page 250 - 251. Angelo Santilli (woden@asgard.csuohio.edu NeXTMail Accepted) Voice & Data Network Supervisor; Cleveland State University ------------------------------------------------ lament for my cube "to take the cup, to fill it up, to drink it slow. can't let you go" -U2
From: rwb@alexander.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Berger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Powering up NeXT's without monitors/keyboards Message-ID: <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 18 Mar 93 21:27:20 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.C43sxM.CH2.2 Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Is it possible to turn on a cube or monochrome station without using a monitor/keyboard? Does the power on key send a special code, or does it actually short a couple of lines on the cable going into the NeXT? I have more machines than I have room for, and would like to stack them up in a closet and use them for Zilla runs.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT 21" or 17" MegaPixel Color Monitor on i486? Message-ID: <1993Mar18.130046.26174@latcs1.lat.oz.au> From: nicolek@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Nicole KAIYAN) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 13:00:46 GMT Sender: nicolek@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Nicole Kaiyan) References: <1993Mar17.204159.13082@netcom.com> <Mar.18.01.00.54.1993.5092@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia Keywords: NeXTSTEP Intel I imagine quite a number of people are interested in the functionality of the 3 versions of NeXT color monitors with Intel 486 hardware. Can someone try out such with the beta release of NeXTSTEP Intel and check the resolution with say the VESA Local Bus ATI Ultra Pro graphics adaptor, which should provide 1024x768 resolution. Please post back to this newsgroup for all to read. Regards Nicole --------------------------------- ------------------------------------- | Nicole Kaiyan | Email: nicolek@latcs1.lat.oz.au | | Computer Science Department | nk@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au | | La Trobe University | | | Melbourne 3083 | NeXTmail welcome | | AUSTRALIA | | --------------------------------- -------------------------------------
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT 21" color monitor on 486? Message-ID: <31.p02lA3bHv01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 18 Mar 93 22:15:42 GMT References: <1993Mar17.204159.13082@netcom.com> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA In article <1993Mar17.204159.13082@netcom.com>, yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) writes: > >Anyone know if you can use a NeXT 21" color monitor with a 486? >Assume I have a "standard" accelerated local bus video card, do I >need a special cable or is it hopeless? You will need a custom cable and a card that supports the same resolution and scan rate as the NeXT monitor. I use a Wyse 21" monitor on my PC at home. I have no idea what workstation it was usd on. What I did was find a card that supported the scan rate and resolution. I pluged the card into the system and it just worked. > >Thanks, ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) >-- >---- -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing */ /* on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't */ /* make you a diner. Being here in America doesn't make you an */ /* American." */ /* --Malcolm X */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Message-ID: <4feG1Ae00WB_JHDakL@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 20:22:20 -0500 From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: Floating-point processor questions In-Reply-To: <C43EEn.63H@willamette.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 18-Mar-93 Floating-point processor qu.. by Robert Ring@willamette.edu > Floating-point processor questions: > > 1. What type of floating-point processor is in this NeXTstation Turbo on > which I am writing this? The Workspace Manager says I'm running "System > Release 2.2, Workspace Version 218.4, PostScript Version 2.2.56.6, > Processor 33 MHz 68040, Memory 8.00MB, Disk 239MB" The Motorola 68040 CPU has a built-in floating point unit that's similar to the Motorola 68882 math-coprocessor chip. > 2. How does one control the rounding direction of the floating-point > processor? Can one control it at all? (I'm hoping one can, based on > the fact that "man 3m math" and "man ieee" both refer to IEEE Standard > 754 which requires that the rounding direction be specifiable. In fact, > in "man 3m math" I find the following: There's no way to specify the rounding direction from any high level language that I know of. You'll almost certainly have to get the manual on the 68040 processor and do some assembly language calls directly to the FPU in order to accomplish such an unusual task. What are you trying to do, if I may ask? > Also, I understand that the NeXTCubes used the Motorola 68882 chip for a > floating-point processor.) Yes. This is because the (older) cubes had a Motorola 68030 CPU, which lacked an on-chip floating point unit. Newer cubes (and all slabs) have the '040, which, as I've said, has an on-chip FPU. > Your assistance in this matter is *greatly* appreciated. Please give me > your full name and organization affiliation when you reply so I can > properly acknowledge your assistance in the documentation for this project. My name in lights... :-) Charles W. Swiger, senior CS major at Carnegie Mellon University. A commerical affiliation would be systems' administrator with Project Software and Development, Inc. Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | "Foosh. Aaughh!!" ------------------------------------------+ "Foosh. Aauuggghh!!" AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | "Cold spray deodorant...." Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | -- Opus, Bloom County [RIP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: juliana@cs.sunysb.edu (Juliana Lima) Subject: NeXTStep/486 and S3 VGA Message-ID: <1993Mar19.014358.16555@sbcs.sunysb.edu> Sender: usenet@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Usenet poster) Organization: State University of New York, Stony Brook Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 01:43:58 GMT Does anyone know if the S3 chip set will be supported in a near future ? Juliana. NeXT mail: (juliana@semlab1.sbs.sunysb.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) Subject: NS-486 24,32 bit color Message-ID: <1993Mar19.012532.277@eps.com> Sender: steve@eps.com Organization: Electronic Publishing Services Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 01:25:32 GMT Does anybody know if NS-486 will support 24 or 32 bit color ala ND. If so do you know what video board will support it. Also what would be a recommended platform. 486 DX50 eisa, or local bus etc.. Thanks Steve Kornreich email: steve@eps.com
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Creating a mailing list for educators. Date: 18 Mar 1993 20:17:13 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1obhg9INNo4q@spock.dis.cccd.edu> I am creating a mailing list for a newsletter that will offer almost any hardware peripheral or computer part to educators under an "Educator Buy Program". There will always be a few specials with an emphasis on cost effectiveness. The newsletter will also list phone numbers of companies that offer educational discounts that we may or may not have anything to do with. All consulting fees will be on a voluntary donation basis unless users request otherwise. Please e-mail me so that I may compile this list and mail the newsletter out accordingly. I'm gonna try for May 1 if I get at least 200 interested people. Students can get on this list also. My apologies to anyone else. maurices
From: ti6ls@tuhhco.rz.tu-harburg.de (Ludger Solbach) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: any reports on Digital Ears or other NeXT audio samplers? Message-ID: <ti6ls.732471062@tuhhco> Date: 18 Mar 93 16:11:02 GMT References: <1oa0lvINNjhq@life.ai.mit.edu> Sender: usenet@rztsun.rz.tu-harburg.de garth@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Garth Zeglin) writes: >I am interested in buying a CD-quality stereo audio sampler for my >NeXT to experiment with sound processing. If you have experience with >the Metaresearch Digital Ears or SoundWorks products, or the more >expensive audio samplers on the NeXT, I would like some user feedback. >I am interested in information on sound quality, ease of use, and >software support. Please respond via email to garth@ai.mit.edu. Thank >you. ... and to solbach@tu-harburg.dbp.de, please... :) Ludger.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Specs for Intel's Professional/GX WS Message-ID: <1993Mar19.070427.29463@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 07:04:27 GMT Several people have request specs on the Intel P/GX 486's. I recently ordered some info on the machines and was pleasantly surprised by the significant technical content of the info. The info contained much more than just the standard 1 page summary. To get your own copy call Intel directly at 1-800-548-4725. Takes about 4-7 working days... High points to me: SPECfp92 tests (DX2/66 with 32MB RAM under SCO UNIX 3.2.4): 64KB Cache 128KB Cache 13.9 14.5 SPECint92 tests (same config): 64KB Cache 128KB Cache 30.3 31.6 (Somebody care to comment on how this compares with SPARCclassics or HP's entry-level PA-RISC series?) Support for one internal 3.5" (1" high) IDE drive. *External* SCSI-II port with an on-board Adaptec 6260 chipset (rear connector). (note SCSI drives cannot be externally installed--NeXT does not currently support the SCSI anyway) On-board ATI Mach 32 (68800) video chipset. NeXTSTEP requires the high-res option which includes a TI34075 RAMDAC and 2 MB VRAM for 1024x768 color @ 72Hz. Video connector is standard PS/2 15-pin analog VGA. On-board graphics can be disabled via jumper allowing the use of a VESA compliant 8514/A video card. 2 EISA slots and one ISA slot. Each EISA slot can host a bus-mastering card, supports 33MB/s burst transfers, and will accomodate full-length EISA or ISA cards. ISA slot is half-length, ideal for an Intel Ether-Express card. Has four memory slots in two-bank configuration. Each bank must hold a pair of like-sized SIMMs. 2MB to 128MB are possible by using up to 32MB SIMMs. Memory is auto-sensed--no jumper setting required. Can use 36-pin single-sided or 72-pin double-sided, fast-page 70 ns 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, or 32MB SIMMs. (e.g. 4MB (1Mx36,FP,70ns) and 8MB (2Mx36,FP,70ns) ) Integrated audio with 16 bit A/D and D/A Codec from 8kHz to 44.1kHz. Two 3.5mm stereo 'mini' jacks for input and output. One jack accepts stereo line-in or mono mic in. The second jack provides stereo out. (note no support from NeXT yet on this) PS/2 compatible keyboard/mouse interfaces Two nine-pin serial ports (16C452) One 25-pin AT parallel port using Interrupt 7 only when enabled On-board floppy using Intel 82077AA-1 and uses IRQ6 only when enabled Floppy accepts 720K,1.44M,2.88M but does not currently support software detection of media density. Real-time clock. If someone can post NS beta experiences/impressions about this machine, I think several of us would be interested. Michael McCulloch Huntsville, AL P.S. Sorry about any typos, but it's 1 AM.
From: mross@antigone.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: LaserJet 4M question Message-ID: <1993Mar19.104913.2855@antigone.com> Date: 19 Mar 93 10:49:13 GMT References: <372@gouche.UUCP> Organization: Antigone Press gateway, San Francisco Grant J. Munsey (grant@Manticore.COM) wrote: : I am thinking about buying a LaserJet 4M. Anybody have one of these working : with a NeXT? If so do they work alright? Thanks, Do it. Yes. Yes. You're welcome. (Serial connection, 38400 baud, XON/XOFF -- no hardware flow control because HP cable configs are brain-dead) -- Michael Ross Antigone Press, San Francisco, California e-mail: mross@antigone.com FAX: +1 415 431 3650
From: bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Specs for Intel's Professional/GX WS Date: 19 Mar 1993 13:25:10 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1ochjmINN47n@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> References: <1993Mar19.070427.29463@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> In article <1993Mar19.070427.29463@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: > SPECfp92 tests (DX2/66 with 32MB RAM under SCO UNIX 3.2.4): > > 64KB Cache 128KB Cache > 13.9 14.5 > > SPECint92 tests (same config): > > 64KB Cache 128KB Cache > 30.3 31.6 > > (Somebody care to comment on how this compares with SPARCclassics > or HP's entry-level PA-RISC series?) > I don't have any entry level HP SPECMarks, but I remember the numbers for the HP 9000-755: SPECfp92 tests 180 SPECint93 tests 120 ---> not real sure on this one (could have been 105) Jon
From: rwb@alexander.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Berger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Powering up NeXT's without monitors/keyboards Message-ID: <C453sp.MwA.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 19 Mar 93 14:19:35 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.C453sp.MwA.2 References: <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon In article <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> rwb@alexander.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Berger) writes: > > Is it possible to turn on a cube or monochrome station without using > a monitor/keyboard? After I posted this question we decided to open up a keyboard and sound box and trace the circuit. We found that connecting a 100 ohm resistor and momentary switch in series between pins 6 and 13 of the monitor DB19 on the processor board will produce a suitable power on switch. I offer this info with no guarantees; it worked for me. I don't know if the newer ADB keyboard machines work the same way.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Subject: HELP - dialin via modem won't work. Message-ID: <1993Mar19.152105.29927@alf.uib.no> Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 15:21:05 GMT -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim Brownfield) Subject: Anybody use HSD Scanners? Message-ID: <1993Mar15.223356.4905@Radical.Com> Sender: jbrow@Radical.Com Organization: Radical System Solutions, Inc. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 22:33:56 GMT I saw the HSD sale on the net a couple of days ago, and I am considering buying a SCAN-X Color scanner. Does anyone have experience with the HSD scanners (pro or con)? Also if anyone has experience with other scanners, the information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any information you have. -- Jim Brownfield (Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com) NeXTmail accepted Radical System Solutions, Inc. rad i cal \'rad-i-kel\ n -- a basic principle: FOUNDATION
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mslade@netcom.com (Michael Slade) Subject: Re: LaserJet 4M question Message-ID: <1993Mar19.172014.17945@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <372@gouche.UUCP> <1993Mar19.104913.2855@antigone.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 17:20:14 GMT mross@antigone.com writes: >Grant J. Munsey (grant@Manticore.COM) wrote: >: I am thinking about buying a LaserJet 4M. Anybody have one of these working >: with a NeXT? If so do they work alright? Thanks, >Do it. Yes. Yes. You're welcome. ditto (novell 3.11 network connection - using ppd from HP which comes only in a Mac diskette format) good luck, Michael Slade, Datavision Technologies, mslade@netcom.com
From: rring@willamette.edu (Robert Ring) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer Subject: Floating-point processor questions -- Thank you!!! Message-ID: <C45E3H.J8J@willamette.edu> Date: 19 Mar 93 18:02:04 GMT Article-I.D.: willamet.C45E3H.J8J Followup-To: poster Organization: Willamette University, Salem OR Hello again. I just wanted to thank everybody who answered my questions about the NeXT's floating-point processor and let those of you who may be in the process of answering my questions that I have received the information I needed. --Robert.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlc@cx5.com Subject: Re: Anybody use HSD Scanners? Thumbs UP Message-ID: <1993Mar19.174635.3344@cx5.com> Sender: tlc@cx5.com Organization: CX5 (San Francisco) References: <1993Mar15.223356.4905@Radical.Com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 17:46:35 GMT In article <1993Mar15.223356.4905@Radical.Com> Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim Brownfield) writes: >Does anyone have experience with the HSD scanners (pro > or con)? I've been using an HSD Scan-X Pro (black and white) with HSD's Scan-X (now PowerScan) software for over two years. I've used a variety of b/w and color desktop scanners for PCs (Mac and IBM) in the past, and the HSD scanner with their software is by far the best I've ever used. Haven't used the color version, but if the monochrome version is any indication... You will also be very happy with the people at HSD (David Peter, Kevin Rarick) who are nothing but helpfull, supportive and professional. All in all, an excellent choice. T. Castro But then again, you think I'm full of shit, so take this as you will...:)
From: gcl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (GEORGE C. LIN) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help me with Sony CD ROM Compatibility Question Message-ID: <1993Mar19.170923.111153@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> Date: 19 Mar 93 17:09:23 GMT Organization: Lehigh University Hi, Can anybody tell me if the Sony CDU-541 is compatible with NeXT? It's a SCSI drive and I think it is compatible with the PC, Mac, and Amiga, but I don't know about the NeXT. Thank you very much. George
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,mi.jobs,misc.jobs.offered From: wagner!beckers (Becki Kain) Subject: NeXT Programmers Wanted, Ann Arbor, MI Message-ID: <1993Mar19.210922.782@imagine.com> Sender: beckers@imagine.com Organization: Imagine Multimedia, Inc., Ann Arbor, MI, USA Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 21:09:22 GMT NeXT Software Engineering Positions Available Imagine Multimedia, Inc. is looking for several excellent NeXT programmers. If you're tired of solving the same old problems and want to work in an exciting, small, and growing company, then check us out. Imagine is a 4 year old company specializing in multimedia publishing tools. Our primary focus is the NeXT computer and various multimedia publishing solutions, including CD-I. We are located in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Salary and fringe benefits are competitive. We are hiring now. Applicants should have: - Bachelors of Computer Science or comparable experience - 4+ years of C and UNIX - 1+ years of NeXTStep development experience - Excellent communication skills Any of the following qualifications will help the applicant: - Masters of Computer Science - Industry experience - Experience with multimedia and the issues involved - Experience in managing development projects - Experience in architecture design for complex applications - Experience in OS/9 or CD-I development ================= PLEASE note your skills clearly in your cover letter and resume. We would hate to pass up the perfect person because we missed something important! ================= Send letters and/or resumes to: resumes@imagine.com or Imagine Multimedia, Inc. 44 Frank Lloyd Wright Drive P.O.Box 473 Ann Arbor, MI 48106
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: HELP! Get get a SCSI OD to work on NeXT. Keywords: OD help optical Message-ID: <Mar.19.19.24.31.1993.10036@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 20 Mar 93 00:24:31 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi all, I need help with an Optical Drive that I picked the other day. Its not one of the newer super fast drives, but I know its ISO compliant. Its a Richo 600 meg drive. Anyway, If I put in an apple formated OD everything works great, but if I try to format a blank OD, or reformat an apple OD, then my machine just spits out the OD an gives console errors (which are included in the post--down below). Maybe this is one of those mystical disktab problems Ive been hearing about. Anyway, I would greatly appreciate any help in getting this OD drive to work. I got some info on the drive and its listed below. many blessings and thanks in advance :) Later, John ***Info on the unit*** localhost:1# disk /dev/rsd1a disk name: RICOH RO-5030E2 disk type: removable_rw_scsi Disk utility disk> quit localhost:2# scsimodes /dev/rsd1a SCSI information for /dev/rsd1a Drive type: RICOH RO-5030E2 64548 bytes per sector 1023 sectors per track 0 tracks per cylinder 0 cylinder per volume (including spare cylinders) Host bad block handling 8192 alternate tracks per volume 576998 usable sectors on volume ***Inserting an apple OD and trying to format it as a NeXT OD*** Mar 19 15:25:07 Workspace: Mounted scsi disk at /New Disk Mar 19 15:25:13 Workspace[134]: DeviceInitPanel - Cannot select the default (cho osing NeXT instead) Mar 19 15:25:19 Workspace: Unmounted foreign disk at /New Disk /usr/etc/disk -i -h localhost -l "New Disk" /dev/rsd1a sd1 (2,0): ERROR op:0x1a sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (2,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x24 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) disk name: RICOH RO-5030E2 disk type: removable_rw_scsi writing disk label creating new filesystem on /dev/rsd1a /usr/etc/newfs -n -v /dev/rsd1a /etc/mkfs /dev/rsd1a 288339 1803 2 8192 1024 16 10 60 4096 t cylinder group too large (16 cylinders); max: 15 cylinders per group /usr/etc/newfs /dev/rsd1a failed (status 1) Mar 19 15:35:19 localhost WindowServer[128]: IPCFlushOutput: failed to flush out put for stream 0x273408. ***Inserting a non-apple OD*** Target 2: BUSY; retry 1 sd1 (2,0): ERROR op:0x1a sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (2,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x24 SCSI Block in error = 0 (front porch) Disk Label: New Disk Disk Capacity 281MB, Device Block 512 bytes Disk is Write Protected
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: Anybody use HSD Scanners? Thumbs UP Message-ID: <C4620y.KGy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <1993Mar15.223356.4905@Radical.Com> <1993Mar19.174635.3344@cx5.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 02:38:58 GMT In article <1993Mar19.174635.3344@cx5.com> tlc@cx5.com writes: >In article <1993Mar15.223356.4905@Radical.Com> Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim >Brownfield) writes: >>Does anyone have experience with the HSD scanners (pro >> or con)? > >You will also be very happy with the people at HSD (David Peter, >Kevin Rarick) >who are nothing but helpfull, supportive and professional. > >All in all, an excellent choice. > I have to add a positive note to T. Castro's comment. I just interacted with the HSD tech support group today. Friendly, returned my call in promptly, and fixed what was wrong in short order. It doesn't get much better than that. The hardware is well engineered, the documentation is clear, although perhaps a bit too concise; and the software works. All in all I'd give them a tip of the ol' Hatlo Hat. Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
From: rwb@alexander.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Berger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Powering up NeXT's without monitors/keyboards Message-ID: <C4688G.Hs7.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 20 Mar 93 04:52:58 GMT References: <C453sp.MwA.2@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon My previous post told how we got the NeXT to power on. If you want it to actually BOOT, you have to first use the p command in the monitor to disable the power on system tests. There is also an option to enable a serial port as an alternate console, but I haven't tried this yet.
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT 21" Display Specs. Message-ID: <Mar.20.00.26.56.1993.15254@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 20 Mar 93 05:26:57 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi All, I want to know the specs of my 21" Color Display because I may need to use it with a PC system. I know that my particular model is one of the multi-synchs that NeXT made. It will go from 68-72hz at the very least. I know that I may need to make up a custom cable, but what I dont know is: What hitatchi is it equivelent to (model # etc): What is its scan rate at 1280X1024? Can it go to 1600X1200 pixels and if so what is the scan rate 60hz? What is its horizontal scan rate? Does anyone know where I could get a custom cable made up? Thanks big time to anyone that answers. And if some one actually knows it would be cool to post to the net because a LOT of people have been asking the same question. Its amazing that no one knows the answer. Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Powering up NeXT's without monitors/keyboards Message-ID: <1993Mar19.181744.22856@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 18:17:44 GMT In article <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> rwb@alexander.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Berger) writes: > > Is it possible to turn on a cube or monochrome station without using > a monitor/keyboard? Highland Digital sells a product called UpStart (about $100) for doing this. Try upstart@highland.com or info@highland.com. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: brian@umbc.edu (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Specs for Intel's Professional/GX WS Date: 20 Mar 1993 10:28:06 -0500 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1ofd66INNc01@umbc4.umbc.edu> References: <1993Mar19.070427.29463@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> In article <1993Mar19.070427.29463@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: >Several people have request specs on the Intel P/GX 486's. I recently >ordered some info on the machines and was pleasantly surprised by the >significant technical content of the info. The info contained much >more than just the standard 1 page summary. To get your own copy call >Intel directly at 1-800-548-4725. Takes about 4-7 working days... > <...> >Support for one internal 3.5" (1" high) IDE drive. >*External* SCSI-II port with an on-board Adaptec 6260 chipset (rear >connector). >(note SCSI drives cannot be externally installed--NeXT does not ^^^^^^^^^^ I think you meant *internally*. >currently support the SCSI anyway) > -brian -- Brian Cuthie Systemix Software, Inc. brian@systemix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim Brownfield) Subject: Re: Anybody use HSD Scanners? (Summary) Message-ID: <1993Mar20.182943.11677@Radical.Com> Sender: jbrow@Radical.Com Organization: Radical System Solutions, Inc. References: <C4620y.KGy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 18:29:43 GMT Thanks to all who replied by followup and email. The group consensus has been 100% positive about HSD and their scanners. The only warning I got was to make sure I used powerscan (which comes with the Scan-X Color) instead of the older Scan-X software. -- Jim Brownfield (Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com) NeXTmail accepted Radical System Solutions, Inc. rad i cal \'rad-i-kel\ n -- a basic principle: FOUNDATION
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!ripple!jaeger (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: YRRID DSP/Serial Device.... Message-ID: <C461wp.1It@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 02:36:24 GMT Can someone send me an email address or phone # for YRRID? I'd like some info on the high speed serial port for the dsp. For that matter has anyone used it? Comments? -- Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com Watershed Technologies -- Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Re: Specs for Intel's Professional/GX WS Message-ID: <C47Dws.8E@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. References: <1ofd66INNc01@umbc4.umbc.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 19:53:15 GMT In article <1ofd66INNc01@umbc4.umbc.edu> brian@umbc.edu (Brian Cuthie) writes: [munch] > >Support for one internal 3.5" (1" high) IDE drive. > >*External* SCSI-II port with an on-board Adaptec 6260 chipset (rear > >connector). > >(note SCSI drives cannot be externally installed--NeXT does not > ^^^^^^^^^^ > I think you meant *internally*. > > >currently support the SCSI anyway) > > No, the Intel Station has a SCSI II controller on the MB, but NeXT does not provide a driver for it... so you can't connect an external drive to it. You could of course still use a SCSI card in one of the three expansion slots. -- Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com
From: clp@home.HarvardSq.COM (Charles L. Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Floppy for 040 Cube info wanted Message-ID: <1993Mar21.035837.7939@das.harvard.edu> Date: 21 Mar 93 03:58:37 GMT Article-I.D.: das.1993Mar21.035837.7939 References: <1993Mar16.005900.5335@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@das.harvard.edu (Network News) Organization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University In article <1993Mar16.005900.5335@news.acns.nwu.edu> jland@lodge.nwu.edu (John Landwehr) writes: > I remember hearing about a company that offered an external floppy drive for > 040 cube owners who wanted to keep their OD, and HD... If I remember > correctly, it was some sort of hack, where you would run the wires out the > back, but it was supposed to be considerably cheaper than buying a SCSI > floppy. The Cube Route still sells cheap floppies for 040 upgrade purchasers. You can get an external version for about $300 or an internal one for $185 (I think). Anyway, call 1-800-CUBE-RTE to find out. clp, Cube Route Board
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) Subject: NeXT 400dpi printer cleaning Message-ID: <1993Mar21.034341.9016@seas.smu.edu> Sender: news@seas.smu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 03:43:41 GMT After a broken toner cart spilled the majority of its contents throughout my beloved black printer, every page printed thereafter has large, ugly black smearing lines on the back side of the pages. The problem has not gone away, even after several hundred pages have been printed since the incident. Is there some way to clean the toner out of the system? If I need to take it to a service station, where in Dallas, Texas can I have it serviced at? ADthanksVANCE, David dleon@seas.smu.edu
From: smg@orb.com (S.M. Goldberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Powering up NeXT's without monitors/keyboards Date: 20 Mar 1993 10:52:52 GMT Distribution: na Message-ID: <1oet24$atr@nntp.crl.com> References: <1993Mar19.181744.22856@bluerose.com> In article <1993Mar19.181744.22856@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: > In article <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> rwb@alexander.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert > Berger) writes: > > > > Is it possible to turn on a cube or monochrome station without using > > a monitor/keyboard? > > Highland Digital sells a product called UpStart (about $100) for doing > this. Try upstart@highland.com or info@highland.com. > > M Carling > President, Bay Area NeXT Group I have an UpStart. Turns out to be a connector for the video port with a small switch inside it that shorts two pins together. Probably the ones mentioned by the earlier poster. Rip-off would be a kind description. -- Samuel M. Goldberger smg@orb.com--NeXT Mail OK Spherical Solutions, 47 Myrtle Avenue, Mill Valley, CA 94941 415.383.7512--voice 415.381.9556--fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) Subject: Re: Specs for Intel's Professional/GX WS Message-ID: <C48AnC.1CG@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <C47Dws.8E@ripple.uunet> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 07:40:23 GMT Dirk P. Fromhein writes -> In article <1ofd66INNc01@umbc4.umbc.edu> brian@umbc.edu (Brian Cuthie) writes: -> [munch] -> > >Support for one internal 3.5" (1" high) IDE drive. -> > >*External* SCSI-II port with an on-board Adaptec 6260 chipset (rear -> > >connector). -> > >(note SCSI drives cannot be externally installed--NeXT does not -> > ^^^^^^^^^^ -> > I think you meant *internally*. -> > -> > >currently support the SCSI anyway) -> > > -> -> No, the Intel Station has a SCSI II controller on the MB, but NeXT does not -> provide a driver for it... so you can't connect an external drive to it. -> You could of course still use a SCSI card in one of the three expansion slots. Hmm, but 1> What if you were not using NS/Intel or if you wrote your own driver. or 2> if it only has a "rear connector" then to use an internal drive you'd have to loop the cable back into the inside of the case somehow... -- ________________________________________________________________________ / 'The midnight sun will burn you up" -The Cure, Piggy in the Mirror / / soward@ms.uky.edu | soward@inslab.uky.edu (NeXT Mail) / /_______________________________________________________________________/
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HELP - dialin won't work. Message-ID: <1993Mar21.165055.15042@alf.uib.no> Date: 21 Mar 93 16:50:55 GMT References: <1993Mar19.151318.29817@alf.uib.no> Organization: University of Bergen, Norway It seem that the text of my posting never made it out. Here it is again... Hi. I'm trying to get SLIP to work (at this point, ANYTHING to work...) I've configured a U1496E (ZyXEL) on my Cube (040), and am trying to enable both dialout and dialin. I have NXFax going, and it is set up _not_ to answer calls. The modem's S register for auto answer is enabled. I have edited /etc/gettytab and /etc/ttys to enable dialout and dial in with flow control. I have a proper cable. The modem is configured to use hardware flow control, and auto handshaking. When I send a fax, or dial about any BBS in the world, everything works perfectly. When I dial the SLIP server, I get a connect, followed by a string of garbage characters (usually 'z's and tildes), but no login prompt. I tried all bit/parity combinations I could (although it's set up to allow any) without luck. I also tried connecting at lower, fixed speeds without luck. The server is a Cube with an Intertex IX33. And proper cabling. The same modem and cable works with UUCP on a friends NeXT, so I imagine the problem lies between the modem answering (it does - and I get the CONNECT 14400 string) and getty starting the appropriate device and login, or that the info from login gets ruined by the modem. Yes - getty is running and listening to the correct line at the correct speed (/dev/cufa D9600). Just for fun I set up my NeXT to accept dial in (followed the NeXT sys admin books and FAQ/NeXTanswers to the letter) and tested it from a friends PC. I got CONNECT just fine, but nothing after that. I tried several times, without luck. What am I doing wrong??? Do all NeXT's have a problem with dialin? I think not, but I can't figure out what's wrong. I remember seeing this problem some time (years) ago, but I don't remember how I fixed it. It seems to me there is something simple I've missed... If someone would be kind enough to help out, I can send a copy of my /etc/ttys and /etc/gettytab, or other relevant information. Update - I got CONNECT 1200/MNP5 yesterday evening. Unfortunatly I was using kermit, not SLIP, but I logged in and verified the connection. When I retried with SLIP I got the same old problem. Strange. Regards, -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: any reports on Digital Ears or other NeXT audio samplers? Message-ID: <1oes25INNfh@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> Date: 20 Mar 93 10:35:49 GMT References: <ti6ls.732471062@tuhhco> Organization: the Borg In article <ti6ls.732471062@tuhhco> ti6ls@tuhhco.rz.tu-harburg.de (Ludger Solbach) writes: > garth@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Garth Zeglin) writes: > > > >I am interested in buying a CD-quality stereo audio sampler for my > >NeXT to experiment with sound processing. If you have experience with > >the Metaresearch Digital Ears or SoundWorks products, or the more > >expensive audio samplers on the NeXT, I would like some user feedback. > How about building one yourself? I'm walking around with the idea of making my own sampler board and have already some ideas (it would include 3 AES/EBU input and 3 AES/EBU output ports of which one port of each group would have a A/D and D/A (16 bit 32, 44.1 and 48kHz) analog port connected to it. If anyone is interested I'd like to discuss with you. Annard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lschultz@ichips.intel.com (Len Schultz) Subject: Re: Specs for Intel's Professional/GX WS In-Reply-To: bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu's message of 19 Mar 1993 13:25:10 GMT Message-ID: <LSCHULTZ.93Mar21113750@pdx828.intel.com> Sender: news@ichips.intel.com (News Account) Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon References: <1993Mar19.070427.29463@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1ochjmINN47n@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 19:37:50 GMT In article <1ochjmINN47n@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> bohlkejh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes: In article <1993Mar19.070427.29463@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: > SPECfp92 tests (DX2/66 with 32MB RAM under SCO UNIX 3.2.4): > > 64KB Cache 128KB Cache > 13.9 14.5 > > SPECint92 tests (same config): > > 64KB Cache 128KB Cache > 30.3 31.6 > > (Somebody care to comment on how this compares with SPARCclassics > or HP's entry-level PA-RISC series?) > I don't have any entry level HP SPECMarks, but I remember the numbers for the HP 9000-755: SPECfp92 tests 180 SPECint93 tests 120 ---> not real sure on this one (could have been 105) Jon ------ Here are HP's and Sun's prices and performance claims... (all prices have been rounded up by $5) HP 755: SPECfp92 - 150.6 SPECint92 - 80.0 Price - $59,000 HP 715/33 (entry level model) SPECfp92 - 45.0 SPECint92 - 24.2 Price - $5000 SPARC Classic SPECfp92 - 21.0 SPECint92 - 26.4 Price - $4300 -- Len Schultz, lschultz@ichips.intel.com Intel Corp., M/S JF1-19, 5200 NE Elam Young Pkwy, Hillsboro, Oregon 97124-6497 This is a private posting; it does not indicate opinions or positions of Intel Corp. Intel Inside (tm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bailey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (- -) Subject: Optimal HD sector size (1024) Fujitsu M2266SA Message-ID: <1993Mar21.220824.11776@news.acns.nwu.edu> Followup-To: me Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Distribution: na Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1993 22:08:24 GMT Im looking for pros/cons for 512 and 1024 byte sector size. Thanks, Bill
From: traupman-jonathan@yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Specs for Intel's Professional/GX WS Date: 21 Mar 1993 22:56:03 -0500 Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1ojdcjINNhl5@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> Keywords: NS-486 intel From what I've read about this machine, it sounds quite nice, but... how much will it set me back? (and do they have any educational prices?) Also, what are the chances that the scsi will be supported anytime soon? (IDE is fine for the HD, but I have a CD-ROM drive for which I'd hate to need a separate controller) thanks, Jon -- Jonathan Traupman | "I knew a mathematician who said 'I do not PO Box 3124 Yale Station |know as much as God, but I know as much as New Haven, CT 06520-3124 |God did at my age.'" jont@minerva.cis.yale.edu | -Milton Shulman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Optimal HD sector size (1024) Fujitsu M2266SA Message-ID: <1993Mar22.064442.7178@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Mar21.220824.11776@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 06:44:42 GMT In article <1993Mar21.220824.11776@news.acns.nwu.edu> bailey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (- -) writes: >Im looking for pros/cons for 512 and 1024 byte sector size. 1024 byte sectors give you better performance and more disk space. The M2266SB is identical to the M2266SA, but factory-formatted with 1024 byte sectors, so the NeXT-supplied software is sufficient to initialize it properly. The M2266SA can be converted to 1024 byte sectoring by software command. The only third party product I've seen to do this won't run under 3.0. There may be others I'm not aware of. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (SYSTEM 0PERATOR) Subject: Help! Pinout for Maxtor 330meg Message-ID: <Pg7s1B1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 10:18:00 GMT howdy, Could someone inform me how to set SCSI ID's on the Maxtor 330meg Full-Height drives inside NeXT Cubes. Its a LXT830S Maxtor 330meg. I would deeply appreciate it. Also, does anyone know how to convert it from 1024 formatting to 512 formatting. If you are planning to use this drive for NS/Intel, you better find out. My Adaptec 1542B controller does not lik the drive at all. It needs to be set to 512 blocks instead of 1024. Apparently, a systems engineer friend of mine said they couldn't figure out how to set it. Any help would be most appreciated. - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (SYSTEM 0PERATOR) Subject: My Experiences with NS/Intel so far.. Message-ID: <ok7s1B2w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 10:20:23 GMT Howdy, I am pleased as punch to announce that I placed NS/Intel onto a complete clone machine that matches the current March specs for NeXTSTEP. As a current Campus Consultant, I went down to the regional Chicago office on Friday. I spent the day putting NS/Intel onto a clone machine I took down with me. It consisted of the following; Orchid 486DX-33 LocalBus / ISA Motherboard 20megabytes of RAM Viewsonic 17" Monitor ATI Ultra Graphics Pro Mach32 Localbus Video Card w/2 megs Adaptec 1542B SCSI Card w/ Floppy 200meg Rodime Drive <ewwwww! Its all I had handy> NEC 84-J SCSI CD-ROM Drive Logitech Bus Mouse SMC EtherCard Elite Combo Pro Audio Spectrum 16 SoundCard Panasonic 3.5" Floppy 2 Serial/1 Paralell/ Game Port Fujitsu Keyboard All I have to say is that I had it up and installing in 15 minutes. Yee Haw! ITS GREAT! Prerelease one is pretty damn SOLID for a beta. I beat the hell out of when I got home. I only crashed it 3 times in the course of 15 hours. I have to say I was overjoyed to see NeXTSTEP running on some complete clone that I pieced together according to specs. Hee Hee! People, drop the gloom pronto. For someone who was extremely pissed when black Tuesday hit the ground and wrote a few scathing articles, I am delighted to see NS/Intel running. It works. Period. As far as hardware, now that I have pounded it a bit I would make a few recommendation. Obviously, these are _PERSONAL_ recommendations and do not reflect the opinion of my employer. Motherboard: ----------- I would definitely recommend a DX2-66 for people running color. A DX2-50 and DX-33 will be ok for 2-bit Black&White, but a DX-33 still works fine with color. Don't get me wrong. I just personally am a speed freak, so pay the extra and make it a DX2-66. Localbus VESA! Make sure you have it! It is essential for color Also, ISA/EISA issue. Ok, if you really spit-fast SCSI, get the EISA and use the DPT SCSI card. Otherwise, ISA and the Adaptec 1542B SCSI card work fine. Video Card: ---------- Color is great! Get ahold of the ATI Ultra Graphics Pro. If you are going to go clone third party all the way, its about the only choice right now. The ATI provides 16-bit color at 1024x768. The only card to give a full 1132x830 is the JAWs thingy built into DELL motherboards. Do not get ahold of anything with 640x480. Its really disgusting. 800x600 is really pushing it too. 1024x768 is not bad! You miss about 2 dock spaces and the recycle is put on the bottom left of the screen. I don't mind! I rarely use it anyhow. :) Any SVGA card with 1meg usually works fine. I not fully tested this to a large extent. This only provides 2-bit black&white for those non-color people. Monitor: ------- Well, everyone seems to praise the NEC 5FG. I had one and I didn't like it too much. The screen is 76 dpi and you could really notice between a NeXT MegaPixel 92 dpi. I am using a Viewsonic 17" right now. Not too bad! Around $900 or so mail-order. 72KHz multi-sync. For anyone considering a 15", I would highly recommend _against_ it. 15" is just not enough workspace! ### By the way, I think I figured out how to use the 21" NeXT MegaPixel monitors on the 72KHz ATI. I am getting a 13W3 -> 15 HighDensity Adapter from Nu-Data. I think I can get the MegaPixel to work on the PC! This would save lots for a lot of people. Keep in mind! Only newer 72KHz MegaPixels! I don't think the 68KHz would work. We'll see! I'll keep people posted. Hard Drive Controller: --------------------- I am using the Adaptec 1542B. It works pretty well! NeXTSTEP has always been pretty intensive on Disk Access, so if you need that total warp drive, the DPT controller with the 4meg cache and extras is what you want. Keep in mind you need EISA for the DPT. IDE people! If you want to go IDE, you pretty much need 20 megs of RAM. It swaps like a maniac at 16. It gets annoying! There are a bunch of IDE localbus controllers out now. Hopefully some of these will work, but don't quote me on it yet! Hard Drive: ---------- Well, it seems that the User version of NS is about 80meg with Documentation and all the languages. So; IDE: Quantum 240meg (11ms w/ hd cache) HH SCSI: Seagate ST1280 200meg (13-16ms access) HH : Seagate ST1480 400meg (13-16ms access) HH : Maxtor 660meg ?? (its fast! :P) FH : Maxtor Panther 1.2gig (13ms access) FH Memory: ------ Well, I would definitely say at least 20. 16 gives ya a lot of yucky swapping. Go for 20. Ethernet: -------- The price for between the SMC cards is so little that just get the SMC EtherCard Elite 16. It'll give you thick-net, thin-net and RJ-11. All of the worlds in one! Sound: ----- Well, XWING sounds great on my Pro Audio Spectrum 16, so I would say grab that card. Pre-release one doesn't cover any sound, but it'll be there soon! By the way, a fellow I talked too is working at a company that is preparing a card for the 486 that will house a DSP56001! So heck! Its a port of the DSP! Mouse: ----- All I have to say for this is... aiee! I ran around downtown Chicago with a very cool NeXT System Engineer until we found a Logitech Bus Mouse at Elec-Tech. Damn! I LOVE those computer stores in downtown Chicago! So many toys.. so little money. Know what I mean? My comment here is that .. well.. PS/2 Style and the Logitech Bus Mouse are only supported. AIE! Serial Mousie's MUST be supported somehow! I mean, guys.. 70% of the PC world has serial mice. Keyboards: --------- Well, geez... whatever turns you on. I want one of those new funky keyboards that toss out the old type. Serial Ports: ------------ Anything just about works. A company called "BOCA" makes some nice high-speed serial ports for about $80. I hope when NS/Intel gets out there some people start writing drivers for DigiBoard and stuff. I could use a 16-port DigiBoard. Parallel Ports: -------------- No idea yet. Didn't test it. Game Port: --------- Damnit! I want a driver! I put a 40meg DOS partition onto the Hard Drive so I could play XWING! VERY.. VERY important. <serious!> VOID _needs_ a Joystick! And a NEW VERSION! C'mon Lighthouse! Diagram_2 is done! Gimme a new VOID version! Is anything left? If I missed something, send me some mail. I did some Third Party "PCs'R'Us" type of pricing. Take a look! I will post these price comparisons soon. Its like 4:00 a.m. at the moment and I haven't finished typing them up. This is good enough for now. :) Later! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware From: pspiliop@iiic.ethz.ch (Takis Spiliopoulos) Subject: NeXTlaser wanted! Message-ID: <1993Mar22.144307.8617@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.marketplace Summary: Where to get the cheapest NeXTlaser Originator: pspiliop@b18 Keywords: NeXTlaser cheap Sender: news@neptune.inf.ethz.ch (Mr News) Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 14:43:07 GMT Can anybody tell me where I can get the cheapest NeXTlaser in the U.S. ? Any hints (adress, phone#, $$$$) welcome. Greetings Takis ----------------------------------------------------------- "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes and | there shall be no more Death. Neither sorrow, nor crying.| Neither shall there be any more Brain; for the former | things are passed away." | Revelations, XXI | ----------------------------------------------------------- Takis Spiliopoulos | email: pspiliop@inf.ethz.ch | Herweg 47 | psp@spectrospin.ch | CH-8708 Maennedorf | TURBO@ezinfo.vmsmail.ethz.ch | SWITZERLAND | | +41 1 920 36 89 | | -----------------------------------------------------------
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Requirements for NeXTSTEP AND Windows NT Date: 22 Mar 1993 15:15:50 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1okl76$6v0@menudo.uh.edu> We are designing coursework that will involve using both NeXTSTEP/fip and Microsoft Windows NT. Right now we are in the process of determining what 486 hardware will be adequate for our project. From our understanding, Windows NT will place similar requirements on hardware as NeXTSTEP does (in terms of memory, processor speed, harddisks, graphic bus, etc). We have the reports from ANDI and NeXT about supported hardware for NeXTSTEP. Can someone point me in the direction of similar documentation for the requirements of Windows NT so we can do a side by side comparison? Thanks!!! -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: de.comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: hheller@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Helmut Heller) Subject: DAT on NeXT --- does it work? Message-ID: <hheller.732819776@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE> Keywords: DAT, NeXT, backup, tape Sender: news@news.lrz-muenchen.de (Mr. News) Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 17:02:56 GMT Hello, I just relocated from the US to Germany and so I missed the discussion about DAT backup tape drives on the NeXT. Could someone be so kind and tell me a) does a DAT drive (HP variety) work on a NeXT b) what do I need to make it work (drivers??) I am thinking about the 8GByte drive with compression --- is the compression worth the money or is UNIX-compress good enough? Please send e-mail to heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu as my German e-mail address is not yet stable enough. Please do not just post your response as I don't have a reliable news feed yet. If there is enough interest, I will summarize to the net. Thanks a lot for your help, Helmut
From: filibert@vista (Daniel Filiberti) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Reformatting DAT (WangDAT only) Message-ID: <1993Mar22.195050.26552@ohsu.edu> Date: 22 Mar 93 19:50:50 GMT Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Mar22.195050.26552 Sender: news@ohsu.edu Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University If there is any interest, I found out how to reformat my DAT tapes from uncompressed to compressed (or vice versa) on a WangDAT (Microtech Eclipse 2.0T). This comes in very handy, since the DAT drive sensed the type of data on the tape when it is inserted, and most software (crappy RunningBack, in particular) doesn't allow for forcing a reformat in the opposite compression mode, which means once formatted w/o compression, always formatted w/o compression, ugh! Well, I now have seen the light... Anyhow, if many people email me, I can be convinced to post how to do it... Daniel Disclaimer: Of course, I won't be responsible for any consequences of this method, use it at your own risk...I am ;) and, I'll say that line again later. --- ************************************************************ Motto for a monitor, "It's better to burn out, than to fade away..." [8?)} ************************************************************ Daniel Filiberti Oregon Health Sciences University Biomedical Information Communication Center (BICC) 3181 Sam Jackson Park Road Portland, Oregon 97201-3098 email: filibert@ohsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) Subject: NEC runaround. Message-ID: <C4B9ox.6nG@cs.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 22:12:33 GMT After reading the NextWorld article on NS 486 I called NEC's 1-800 number to see if they had anything out yet on a NS compatible clone. They had no clue what I was talking about in any of the many divisions I talked to although one place said they'ed had a lot of calls similar to mine. They stii didn't know what NS 486 is. Finally after 15 minutes of talking to computer illeterates (I was nice) they transferred me yet again and I was hung up on. Let's see, who else is selling NS 486 machines? -Terry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) Subject: Contacting HSD [was Re: Anybody use HSD Scanners? Thumbs UP] Message-ID: <1993Mar22.222018.25223@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <C4620y.KGy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 22:20:18 GMT In article <C4620y.KGy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> smb3u@kiptron.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) writes: > In article <1993Mar19.174635.3344@cx5.com> tlc@cx5.com writes: > >In article <1993Mar15.223356.4905@Radical.Com> Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim > >Brownfield) writes: > > > >You will also be very happy with the people at HSD (David Peter, > >Kevin Rarick) > >who are nothing but helpfull, supportive and professional. > > > > I have to add a positive note to T. Castro's comment. I just interacted > with the HSD tech support group today. Friendly, returned my call > in promptly, and fixed what was wrong in short order. It doesn't get > much better than that.> > Steve > > -- > #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# > # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # > # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # > #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# On the topic of contacting HSD, do they have e-mail, or do I have to resort to the phone thing? And I wholeheartedly agree with all these people. :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eugene Mah ----> eugene@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (NeXT-Mail) grad student/sys admin "How sweet to be a Cloud Department of Radiology Floating in the Blue University of Alberta Hospitals It makes him very proud Edmonton, Alberta, Canada To be a little cloud"
From: beringer@iap.unibe.ch Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SUMMARY: Seagate ST11200N 1GB disk Message-ID: <1993Mar22.220611.12101@aragorn.unibe.ch> Date: 22 Mar 93 22:06:11 GMT Sender: news@aragorn.unibe.ch Organization: University of Berne, Switzerland I got a few replies concerning the Seagate ST11200N 1GB disk. It seems that this disk can be installed without any problems in most cases and works fine as an internal disk in color slabs. However, in one case an external Fujitsu 1.2GB disk got trashed after the installation of the ST11200N, but this may have been because of a termination problem. Cooling and power requirements do not seem to be a problem in a NeXTstation. In fact, the ST11200N's power requirements seem to be a little bit less than those of the ST1480 400MB disk which was shipped by NeXT. Many thanks to Lily Liou, Ken Nelson, Michael McCulloch, Brian Bias and Ed Sznyter for their help! ************************************************************************** Juerg Beringer Phone: +41 (31) 65 89 29 University of Bern FAX: +41 (31) 65 37 65 Institute for Applied Physics Sidlerstrasse 5 e-mail: beringer@iap.unibe.ch CH-3012 Bern HEPNET/SPAN: 20579::49203::BERINGER SWITZERLAND DECNET (Switzerland): 49203::BERINGER **************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Re: Optimal HD sector size (1024) Fujitsu M2266SA Message-ID: <C4Av3M.qE@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. References: <1993Mar22.064442.7178@csus.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 16:57:22 GMT In article <1993Mar22.064442.7178@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > > 1024 byte sectors give you better performance and more disk space. > The M2266SB is identical to the M2266SA, but factory-formatted > with 1024 byte sectors, so the NeXT-supplied software is > sufficient to initialize it properly. The M2266SA can be > converted to 1024 byte sectoring by software command. The only > third party product I've seen to do this won't run under 3.0. > There may be others I'm not aware of. > > -=EPS=- "formater" by Rory Bolt works under 3.0. I have used it numerous times. Generaly you get about 5% more disk space (my 409 went to 429) and as far as I can remember about a 30-40% increase in performance (using the disk util). Throughput whent from like 883,000 bytes/sect to like 1,293,000 bytes/sec. This is for the ST1480 drive... Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com Watershed Technologies -- Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Anybody use HSD Scanners? Thumbs UP Message-ID: <1153@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 22 Mar 93 23:17:46 GMT References: <1993Mar19.174635.3344@cx5.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com HSD scanners are great, and the company is even better. They're always prompt and courteous to do business with, and their products are excellent. We've been very happy all the way around. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) Subject: Thanks go to Andrew Foresty Message-ID: <C4BBFK.8Lz@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 22:50:07 GMT Thanks for that detailed report on your experience with NS 486 !! Quabid
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Bad HD (Maxtor) Message-ID: <1993Mar22.160718.4531@nic.csu.net> From: vqueved@nextlab.calstatela.edu (Operator) Date: 22 Mar 93 16:07:16 PST Keywords: BAD HD MAXTOR RECOVER Hello, I have a bad Maxtor (330) about 4 1/2 years old. It just died the other day taking with it some important data that I did not have a backup of. Can any one recommend a company/process of gettting the data off the HD. I am running NS3.0 and the drive does not power up. No motion from the disks. Help!! Victor Quevedo vqueved@nextlab.calstatela.edu (NeXT Mail ok)
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Finally! NeXT 21" Display lowdown. Message-ID: <Mar.22.23.10.58.1993.4715@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 23 Mar 93 04:10:59 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi All, Rather than reply to a zillion people via E-mail I think it would be better to post to the net... The 21" NeXT color display WILL work with the DELL GDX/JAWS systems at the full regular resolution. You just need an r-g-b cable with a sync on green. NeXT has written special drivers to make your 21" work on the GDX system at 68hz. Now although the newer 21" displays can work at 68hz (non adb) and 72hz (adb) they still are NOT multisync monitors. So right now this is the safest route to success on an intel platform (not to mention the only way to get a regular sized screen). I hope that helps other 21" owners. I imagine the 17" trinitron will work in the same way. Not sure about the fimi, but than again I dont see why not since they all work at 68hz. But the 21" has been tested successfully at NeXT. Later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (SYSTEM 0PERATOR) Subject: Generic NS/Intel NON-approved Hardware PRICES Message-ID: <XPyu1B2w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 09:25:56 GMT Howdy, Well, I said I would get this list together. Keep in mind this is not "approved" by NeXT; its not the views of my employers; I don't work for any of the parties; These prices are ballpark prices found in Computer Shopper. Wow.. Did I miss disclaiming myself from anything? :) Now.. these are what I consider "high" "mid" and "low" range machines. You may question "ok why this component and not the other..etc..". Lets keep the discussion here and out of e-mail. It would be so much more beneficial for everyone. Here we go... High Level Generic Clone ------------------------ 486DX2-66 MHz VESA Localbus / EISA Motherboard $900 ATI Ultra Graphics Pro (VL-BUS) w/ 2megs $500 NEC 5FG 17" Multi-Sync Flatscreen Monitor $1,100 DPT 2021B 95 SCSI Controller w/ Floppy $1,100 (note: with 4meg cache & CM 401X) 400megabyte Seagate ST1480 HH Hard Drive $865 32megabytes of SIMM Ram (4meg simms) $800 SMC EtherCard PLUS Elite Combo $159 Pro Audio Spectrum 16 Audio Card $199 Logitech Bus Mouse $70 misc. Serial Ports/Parallel/Game $10 misc. 3.5" Floppy Drive $50 Black Mid-Tower Case w/ 250watt Supply $150 Black Keyboard $70 Total = $5,973 with NEC 84-j CD-ROM Drive $6,423 ---------- w/ 660meg Maxtor instead of 400meg Seagate $6,248 w/ 660meg and NEC 84-j CD-ROM Drive $6,698 ---------- BOCA Serial Card .... ADD $80 to all prices Mid Level Generic Clone ----------------------- 486DX2-66 MHz VESA Localbus / ISA Motherboard $800 ATI Ultra Graphics Pro (VL-BUS) w/ 2megs $500 Viewsonic 17" Multi-Sync Monitor $900 Adaptec 1542B ISA SCSI & Floppy Controller $225 400megabyte Seagate ST1480 HH Hard Drive $865 20megabytes of SIMM Ram (4meg simms & 1megs) $550 SMC EtherCard PLUS Elite Combo $159 Pro Audio Spectrum 16 Audio Card $199 Logitech Bus Mouse $70 misc. Serial Ports/Parallel/Game $10 misc. 3.5" Floppy Drive $50 Black Mid-Tower Case w/ 250watt Supply $150 Black Keyboard $70 Total = $4,548 with NEC 84-j CD-ROM Drive $4,998 Low Level Generic Clone ----------------------- 486DX-33 MHz VESA Localbus / ISA Motherboard $600 SVGA 1024x768 Generic Controller w/ 1meg $89 Viewsonic 17" Multi-Sync Monitor $900 IDE Hard Drive & Floppy Controller $25 240megabyte Quantum HH Hard Drive (11ms) $399 20megabytes of SIMM Ram (4meg simms & 1megs) $550 SMC EtherCard PLUS Elite Combo $159 Pro Audio Spectrum 16 Audio Card $199 Logitech Bus Mouse $70 misc. Serial Ports/Parallel/Game $10 misc. 3.5" Floppy Drive $50 Black Mid-Tower Case w/ 250watt Supply $150 Black Keyboard $70 Total = $3,271 without sound $3,071 without ethernet $3,112 without ethernet and sound $2,913 with 15" monitor (NEC 4FG) $3,071 with 15" monitor (NEC 4FG), no sound, no ethernet $2,713 #### KEEP IN MIND #### These are only HARDWARE prices. Software prices are not included. I don't know if the prices are official yet, but I'll take a chance of shooting my foot off. I've heard $795 User-retail and $2,000 for Developer "Universal Development Environment" its been tagged. Uhm, Educational is still in the works and there is no official word. Word has it that its like 50% off the regular price. ## This is not official ## Lets just wait until it comes out. Well, as I said, lets try to keep the convo here and out of mail so I don't have to answer too many questions! :) I must say, I never did so much mail before from the previous post! Baha! Love mail. Thanks to all! Later! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Contacting HSD Message-ID: <1993Mar23.034018.4548@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Mar22.222018.25223@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 03:40:18 GMT In article <1993Mar22.222018.25223@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) writes: > On the topic of contacting HSD, do they have e-mail, or do I have to > resort to the phone thing? info@hsd.com M Carling
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Optimal HD sector size (1024) Fujitsu M2266SA In-Reply-To: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU's message of Mon, 22 Mar 1993 06:44:42 GMT To: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Mar22072808@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Mar21.220824.11776@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1993Mar22.064442.7178@csus.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 11:28:08 GMT In article <1993Mar22.064442.7178@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: In article <1993Mar21.220824.11776@news.acns.nwu.edu> bailey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (- -) writes: >Im looking for pros/cons for 512 and 1024 byte sector size. 1024 byte sectors give you better performance and more disk space. The M2266SB is identical to the M2266SA, but factory-formatted with 1024 byte sectors, so the NeXT-supplied software is sufficient to initialize it properly. The M2266SA can be converted to 1024 byte sectoring by software command. The only third party product I've seen to do this won't run under 3.0. There may be others I'm not aware of. Scsiformatter 1.2 doesn't work any longer under 3.0 ? I just started it up and did some checks without problem. Being short a harddisk I'd like to format right now, I couldn't test this feature but the rest seem to work. BTW, unless you want to use it on a Fujitsu drive be sure to get scsiformatter 1.2 -- earlier versions may fail on the drives of other manufacturers. Last time I checked many US archive sites still stored scsiformatter 1.1. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: flog@open.ch (Florian Gutzwiller) Subject: Graphics Specs with DELL/ME and Intel Series ? Message-ID: <1993Mar23.115018.24512@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 11:50:18 GMT Can anybody comment on how the Intel/GX and the DELL ME differ in concerns of graphics resolution, colors and performance. Thanks -- Florian Gutzwiller Tel: +41 61 262 05 10, Fax: +41 61 262 05 10 Open Systems AG flog@Open.CH Basel, Switzerland S=gutzwiller;O=open;P=EUnet=A=EUnet;C=CH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: petcher@howdy.wustl.edu (Donald N. Petcher) Subject: NeXTstation and third party monitor/printer? Message-ID: <1993Mar23.000255.26712@wuphys.wustl.edu> Sender: usenet@wuphys.wustl.edu (USENET) Organization: Physics Dept, Washington U in St Louis Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 00:02:55 GMT I am considering getting a NeXTstation, but with the computer now discontinued, the thought occurred to me that perhaps I should get as many third party peripherals as possible so that I could use them in the future with other computers in case something unrepairable happens to the CPU. The monitor is a special case, as well as the printer. This brings the questions: 1) Is it possible to use the monochrome monitor with other platforms, or to use a third party monitor with the monochrome slab? (If not, it seems less risky to get color.) 2) Is the color monitor just a standard multisync of some sort? Is it easily adaptable to other platforms? Which is the best? (Does anyone have a source for the 17" Sony monitor I read about here? I recall people suggesting that it is the bese monitor.) What are opinions about staring at these monitors throughout a usual workday, in comparison with the monochrome? (which I find very nice indeed!) 3) Is there a reasonably priced printer that can compete with the NeXT printer when hooked up to a NeXT box, but would also be useful with other platforms? 4) What about the keyboard? Is the ADB keyboard a standard of some sort? How about the older version? 5) I also have a completely unrelated question that may help in my decision. Is the 17" color monitor the same resolution (number of pixels) as the monochrome? The monochrome I have in my office is quite large enough as long as I effectively have the same sized deskop. I wouldn't want a monitor that is much larger physically. Thanks in advance for any information concering to the above. Cheers, Don Petcher, petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu Department of Physics, Washington University, Saint Louis, Missouri
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Powering up NeXT's without monitors/keyboards Message-ID: <1993Mar23.140105.6727@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 14:01:05 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> writes: > > Is it possible to turn on a cube or monochrome station without using > a monitor/keyboard? > > Does the power on key send a special code, or does it actually short > a couple of lines on the cable going into the NeXT? > > I have more machines than I have room for, and would like to stack > them up in a closet and use them for Zilla runs. Hehe, poor guys who actually buy something ... The few manuals that come with every machine have the neccessary specs in the apendices... There you'll find the pinouts of the monitor connector. (User's Reference) Itquite cleary states that pin6 is the monitor power switch. You just have to short to ground (which it is, pins 13 to 19). But beware, some of the really old cubes' powersupplies didn't like it if no load was connected. As to booting, the NeXT should automatically boot after applying power. Booting from a serial port is done from the /etc/ttys file. Check the entry for the console, it has entries for both NeXTstep and terminal booting. (At least mine does.) -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch ( if all fails try frank@urz.unibas.ch )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) Subject: Source for DAT tapes Message-ID: <1993Mar23.155007.2099@cs.wm.edu> Sender: news@cs.wm.edu (News System) Organization: The College of William and Mary Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 15:50:07 GMT Having just bought and installed a DAT tape, I am looking for a good source of data-quality DAT tapes. I also have a question about a good routine to follow for backups. The system is used mainly by me and my wife, a single DAT is more than sufficient to store the entire content of our drive (1 Gig). How many tapes will I need? I know it is not a good idea to do incremental backups on the same tape, and I know that you do not want to overwrite your previous level-n backup with another level-n backup, in the event that something goes wrong while doing that, but that is the extent of my knowledge. -- Gianfranco Ciardo If anybody is wondering, the tape is an HP, I am planning to post a review of the HD/DAT combo in a few weeks, after I get familiar with it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: 2Bit Greyscale for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Mar23.202521.2247@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 20:25:21 GMT I have a client who is investigating NS/FIP workstations. His custom app only really requires 2Bit Greyscale. Are any of the beta testers out there running such a system? What results? What reccomendations? What I'm really shooting for is a system that has a monitor as nice as the NeXT MegaPixel display. (ie same size, clarity, etc.). Any feedback appreciated. Matthew Stecker mSys consulting. --
From: slv0y@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Use _BOTH_ network ports at once? Message-ID: <1993Mar23.173839.65198@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Mar 93 17:38:38 MDT Organization: Utah State University I have my NeXT computers networked along with a bunch of other IBM PC computers on a 10BaseT network. I now find myself needing to be able to connect some computers on a 10Base2 network into my existing network. Is it possible to use BOTH network ports on the NeXT? So I have my existing network on the 10BaseT port, can I then plug in the 10Base2 network into the open port on the NeXT and have those systems available to the NeXT? (The computers on the 10Base2 network are a Mac & a Unix box (a RIP)). This would be great if it will really work... If it will, do I have to do anything special to make the NeXT file system available to the 10Base2 network, or does it "just work"? If it won't, does anyone have any recomendations on how this could be accomplished? Do I need a gateway to do this? Any help or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot. John Zollinger slv0y@cc.usu.edu (not NeXTMail capable)
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Digital 1.7gig formatted 3.5" running hot. Date: 23 Mar 1993 21:23:27 -0800 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1oor8f$gpe@spock.dis.cccd.edu> I want to stick this little guy inside my NeXTstation. It fits real nicely but runs rather hot. I haven't got any error messages yet but I'm not running it very long to start with either. Will it eventually tweak my mother board if I leave it in 24hrs or is everything O.K.? Thanks. maurices
From: Ruediger Popp Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Quality of Optical Discs? Date: 24 Mar 1993 08:36:15 GMT Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <1op6hv$7fk@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does anybody have experience with the Quality of Optical Discs produced by several manufacturers? At present we use the HOECHST OZADISK with a SONY SMO-C501-00E and they work fine. --- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ruediger Popp Engler-Bunte-Institut Bereich Chemie und Technik von Gas, Erdoel und Kohle Universitaet Karlsruhe (TH) Richard-Willstaetter-Allee 5 W-7500 Karlsruhe 1 (ab 01.07.93: 76128 Karlsruhe) Germany E-MAIL: rpopp@ebigek01.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (NeXT-Mail preferred) -----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: sircomp@bcarh90.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) Subject: Gateway 2000 Hardware Message-ID: <1993Mar24.035858.21806@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 03:58:58 GMT Hi all: A friend of mine is picking up a machine from Gateway 2000 which looks like it should run NeXTSTEP/Intel fairly well. From memory, the specs are: 486/66 with 256k cache VESA Local bus (2 free slots) ATI Ultra Pro Graphics with 1meg VRAM ISA bus/8 slots 340 Meg IDE Hard drive 8 Meg ram 15 inch monitor Keyboard/Mouse/Tower case And it only costs $3 000 Canadian! Not too bad I thought. Too bad that it will be running DOS/Windows (Hopefully only until May 25 that is :-) Is anyone else looking at this system? I'd like to know how much a SCSI controller might be for one of these (I'll get her to run NS/i yet! :-) Looks like this sytem only needs a bit more VRAM/RAM and maybe a bit bigger monitor to be better. later... Rob -- Rob Parkhill: sircomp@bnr.ca |"It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper NeXTmail preffered at: | of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant. rob@hobbes.oghma.ocunix.on.ca | Get it?" - Ren Hoek
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (SYSTEM 0PERATOR) Subject: Maxtor 330meg Question Message-ID: <TV4w1B1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 13:12:40 GMT Howdy, Well, first I want to thank Robert Lutwak for sending me the pinout for the 330meg Maxtor LXT830 Hard Drive. Love that NeXTMail! Anyone else need it? Give me a hollar. My question is does anyone know how to set the drive from 4096 cylinder groups to 512 cylinder groups? Namely, you can hook up a the 330meg as the second HD on the Adaptec controller. However, it spits and complains on occasion about the 4096 over the 512 setting it prefers. Heck, I even did a initialization and builddisk with it set to 4096. However, to get it to boot and perform well it would prefer 512. Is there any possible jumpers I could open/close to get it to this setting? Lots of people would like to know. Lots of 330megs left over from the cubes. :) Any ideas? Any telephone numbers for Maxtor? Thanks! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ast@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Adrian Steinmann) Subject: Re: Powering up NeXT's without monitors/keyboards Message-ID: <1993Mar24.175305.18300@ifi.unizh.ch> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Summary: Does it work reliably on 3.0 ? Keywords: boot NeXTSTEP 3.0 headless bug Sender: ast@marabu.neu.sgi.com Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich References: <1993Mar19.181744.22856@bluerose.com> <1oet24$atr@nntp.crl.com> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 17:53:05 GMT We here in Zurich in our NeXT User's Group called the home made version of the "UpStart" aka "Rip Off" switch as "Power Key". All it does is connect the correct pins to boot without the MegaPixel screen. Setting up the boot prom correctly so that ttya becomes the alternate console and turning the sound tests off and the verbose on are essential for it to work. Also, don't forget to change the /etc/ttys entry to a getty and comment out Workspace. I tried this after NeXT declared their HW obsolete (figuring that the monitor was going to be the first to go) and found that under 3.0 it would work, but after some (UUCP) activity on the ttyfb port the system panics. This also happens when you invoke reboot under 3.0. I then tried the same under 2.1 and reboot worked. I didn't investigate further under 2.1 but came to the conclusion that this was another bug NeXT may have introduced with 3.0. Has anyone else observed this? E-mail details and I'll summarize. Adrian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Adrian Steinmann, Steinmann Consulting Apollostrasse 21, 8032 Zurich, Switzerland Voice: +41 1 383 5606 Fax: +41 1 382 30 70 ast@marabu.neu.sgi.com, ast@lia.di.epfl.ch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Maxtor 330meg Question Message-ID: <1993Mar24.193814.14601@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <TV4w1B1w165w@arsenal.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 19:38:14 GMT In article <TV4w1B1w165w@arsenal.com> system@arsenal.com (SYSTEM 0PERATOR) writes: >phone numbers for Maxtor? Tech support is 1/800/262-9867. Then comes a complex menu, but actually, the most intelligible one I've run into so far. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: aprop@azetsys.uucp Subject: Seagate ST11200 Message-ID: <1993Mar24.185024.286@azetsys.uucp> Organization: CleverLever Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 18:50:24 GMT Hi, My new ST11200 arrived today, and happy to say it was plug- and-play, started up BuildDisk.app, no problems. It is in an external enclosure, first in line on the SCSI cable, the enclosure has an extra connector to which the CD-ROM drive is connected, that also works fine. To preclude any unnecessary traffic I am including the place it came from, I am in no way associated with them, or endorsing them, this was my first transaction, they were courteous, and caring. Peripherial Solutions, 1-800-255-3475 (Larry Cohen) No email, and dont know their address. Geza..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <1993Mar24.175610.15952@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 17:56:10 GMT I understand that the Intel GX has built-in SCSI but there is no driver for it. What is involved in creating a driver and why isn't there one available? What are my alternatives? IDE? Another SCSI adaptor? Robert
From: filibert@vista (Daniel Filiberti) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Reformatting WangDAT tapes (long) Message-ID: <1993Mar24.213032.3212@ohsu.edu> Date: 24 Mar 93 21:30:32 GMT Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Mar24.213032.3212 Sender: news@ohsu.edu Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Ok, there seems to be enough interest, so here goes... Disclaimer: Everything that you see here works for me, but I will not be responsible for any damage, consequences, loss, etc... as a result of using any of the information in this post. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! First, here's some basic knowledge on the meaning of the two LEDs on the front panel, and the internal DIP switch...( this all should be true for WangDAT 2000 and 2600 models, by the way, I don't know about others...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- LED Color State Meaning ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Left Green On Drive active on the SCSI Bus (Activity/Fault) Red Flashing Drive fault condition exists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Right Amber Flashing Loading or unloading cassette (Cassette/Format) On Cassette in place, format=DDS Green On Cassette in place, format=compress ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Switch Function Default OFF/ON Description ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SW1-1 Buffered Mode OFF Software Selectable/Force Buffered SW1-2 Default Tape Format ON DDS/Group Compression SW1-3 SCSI1/SCSI2 Protocol OFF SW1-4 Cassette Load/Unload OFF Option unload cassette on Release SW1-5 SCSI Bus Parity Enbl ON SW1-6 SCSI Bus ID LSB OFF \ SW1-7 SCSI Bus ID OFF > These are set via a switch on the SW1-8 SCSI Bus ID MSB OFF / back of my drive ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, to reformat a cassette, you will need the "scsitools.new" package that is found on your favorite NeXT archive. You need to modify select.c, as follows... 1. Find all the calls to gs_mode_sense() with a cfield parameter of 3, ie; gs_mode_sense(fd, lun, 0, 3, sizeof(new_dat.data), new_dat.data) and change the cfield parameter to 2, like gs_mode_sense(fd, lun, 0, 2, sizeof(new_dat.data), new_dat.data) 2. Change two lines in the function gs_mode_select() to look like cdbp->c6_lba = 0x100000 ; /* use pf=1 & sp=1 to save parameters */ sr.sr_ioto = 180; WangDAT doesn't support the sp=1 save parameters command, and the timeout should be long enough to allow the tape to finish formatting (180sec = 3min)... 3. Save and recompile the select.c program. OK, you are ready to format a tape...here goes. 1. su to root 2. use the "inquire" program to find the scsi target number of your DAT 3. use the "sense1" program to read page 11h = 17 decimal from the DAT, and redirect it to a file eg. > sense1 -t6 -l0 -p17 >WangDAT.parms 4. Open the file in Edit, and edit the last part to look like: # Parameter List Header #mhdr offs val msk # cur msk def sav -mhdr 0000 17 17 # 17 17 17 17 -mhdr 0001 00 00 # 00 00 00 00 -mhdr 0002 10 10 # 10 10 10 10 -mhdr 0003 08 08 # 08 08 08 08 # Parameter List Block Descriptor Format #mbdf offs val msk # cur msk def sav -mbdf 0000 93 93 # 93 93 93 93 -mbdf 0001 00 00 # 00 00 00 00 -mbdf 0002 00 00 # 00 00 00 00 -mbdf 0003 00 00 # 00 00 00 00 -mbdf 0004 00 00 # 00 00 00 00 -mbdf 0005 00 00 # 00 00 00 00 -mbdf 0006 02 02 # 02 02 02 02 -mbdf 0007 00 00 # 00 00 00 00 # Page Code 11 #mp17 offs val msk # cur msk def sav -mp17 0000 11 11 # 11 11 11 11 -mp17 0001 0a 0a # 0a 0a 0a 0a -mp17 0002 00 00 # 01 00 01 01 -mp17 0003 00 ff # 01 ff 00 00 -mp17 0004 20 e0 # 10 e0 10 10 -mp17 0005 00 00 # 03 00 03 03 -mp17 0006 00 00 # 00 00 00 00 -mp17 0007 00 00 # 00 00 00 00 -mp17 0008 05 ff # 04 ff 05 05 -mp17 0009 14 ff # b5 ff 14 14 -mp17 0010 00 ff # 00 ff 00 00 -mp17 0011 00 ff # 01 ff 00 00 The two numbers that changed are the mbdf 0000 value to 93h, which forces compression mode (13h forces DDS, if thats what you want to do), and the mp17 0004 value to 20h (setting bit 5) which tells the drive to format. 5. Insert the tape that you want to reformat, and wait for it to load. 6. Then, use the modified "select" program to send the DAT the new parameters. > select -t6 -l0 -fWangDAT.parms The program will prompt you a few times about the changes being made, and then finally, your drive should begin formatting. When its done the program will exit! There it is! Enjoy... Daniel --- ************************************************************ Motto for a monitor, "It's better to burn out, than to fade away..." [8?)} ************************************************************ Daniel Filiberti Oregon Health Sciences University Biomedical Information Communication Center (BICC) 3181 Sam Jackson Park Road Portland, Oregon 97201-3098 email: filibert@ohsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,misc.forsale.computers.mac,misc.forsale.computers.other,misc.forsale.computers.pc From: df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: 105Quantum, Zoom 2400, Lotus Improv Message-ID: <C4Dp8B.486@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 05:43:22 GMT Please do not reply to me, I'm posting this for a friend that does not have news up and running yet. Thanks Dirk Fromhein <<< FOR SALE >>> * Quantum 105LPS SCSI hard disk (105mb) (internal) $265.00 or B.O. * Zoom 2400 V.42bis External Modem: $98.00 or B.O. with Macintosh modem cable & software. Modem works with PC, Mac, NeXT. * Lotus Improv NeXT version 1.0 (New - unopenned box). $450.00 or B.O. Items sold COD... Please contact: David J. Ferrero President, Zion Software & Consulting. email: uunet.uu.net!mtzion!david (203) 429-4695 ask for David-J.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: drebnord@betenoir.syr.edu (David A. Rebnord) Subject: Free (well, almost free) NextBus hardware docs. Message-ID: <1993Mar24.142109.24259@newstand.syr.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 14:21:09 EST NeXTcube owners, I have 1 shrinkwrapped copy of the NextBus Specification, and the NextBus Interface Chip Specification, that I would be delighted to send to anyone for the asking and the shipping costs (no more than $5 tops). I have only one copy, first come, first served. So those of you who want to get in on the ground floor of the soon to be booming market for add in boards for the NeXTcube should act now -- don't delay! :-) :-) -- Dave Rebnord | drebnord@betenoir.syr.edu (NeXTmail) Dept. of Mathematics | (315) 443-1585 (voice) Syracuse University | (315) 443-1475 (fax) Syracuse NY 13244-1150 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <1993Mar25.023222.11315@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1993Mar24.175610.15952@hot.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 02:32:22 GMT In article <1993Mar24.175610.15952@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: >I understand that the Intel GX has built-in SCSI but there is no >driver for it. What is involved in creating a driver and why isn't >there one available? What are my alternatives? IDE? Another SCSI >adaptor? > Both. :-) You can use the internal IDE drive, but to install the pre-release version you have to have a supported SCSI card (since the CDROM installation process requires a SCSI CDROM drive). This only includes the Adaptec 1542B and the DPT 2012B/EISA cards currently. And the DPT doesn't work with the NeXT CDROM drive. So that's only one option left... Michael McCulloch -- --- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NeXTmail Accepted!) NeXT Registered Developer #1031
From: BumgardnerJ@cup.portal.com (Jeffrey - Bumgardner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Modem Message-ID: <78026@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 93 22:19:21 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) Does anyone out there have a modem that came or was bought for the NeXT. It's a black modem with no logo on it anywhere, it's a straight V.32 V.42. I need the Modem setting to get this up and running in V.32 V.42 CTS/RTS mode so I can set the comm port at 38400. Currently I have to lock comm at 9600. ANY help would be appreciated. Please send any reply's directly to this address: Gill@rvax.ipfw.indiana.edu Thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu Subject: AVIV Exabyte question... Message-ID: <1993Mar24.203613.15183@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> Sender: news@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Johns Hopkins University Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 20:36:13 GMT How do I convince my exabyte drive to write in 8200 format without wrinting my own driver/application stuff? In particular, write a tar formatted 8200 format tape? Kim ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) Subject: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <abellC4Fu4u.J73@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: na Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 09:24:30 GMT I managed to get ahold of an ND board, but couldn't get a NeXT monitor. It has been suggested that I get a Sony 1604s or NEC 5FG. I've seen both and they look OK, but they both seem to flicker more than I remember NeXT monitors doing. Is this my imagination? Any other suggestions for 17" color monitors? Thanks, Steve abell@netcom.com
From: albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXTT<->PC via Ethernet Date: 25 Mar 1993 11:37:39 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: world Message-ID: <1oruh3$mo4@lehtori.cc.tut.fi> This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen Since I don't have a 1.44 MB floppy in my 030-next, so I'm planning of buying a PC with a floppy drive and ethernet card. How well does this kind of arrangement works in practise? Can you recommend any particular ethernet card? Is it possible to boot via Ethernet, if there's only a PC (286) on the end of the cable? All comments appreciated. -Juha
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <1993Mar25.040059.11593@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Mar24.175610.15952@hot.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 04:00:59 GMT In article <1993Mar24.175610.15952@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: > I understand that the Intel GX has built-in SCSI but there is no > driver for it. What is involved in creating a driver and why isn't > there one available? What are my alternatives? IDE? Another SCSI > adaptor? Tell Intel that you would buy some if there were a NeXTSTEP SCSI driver for it. Intel has already committed to writing a driver for the onboard audio. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 Hardware Message-ID: <1993Mar25.121739.5195@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Mar24.035858.21806@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 12:17:39 GMT In article <1993Mar24.035858.21806@bmerh85.bnr.ca> sircomp@bcarh90.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) writes: > Hi all: > A friend of mine is picking up a machine from Gateway > 2000 which looks like it should run NeXTSTEP/Intel fairly > well. From memory, the specs are: > > 486/66 with 256k cache > VESA Local bus (2 free slots) > ATI Ultra Pro Graphics with 1meg VRAM > ISA bus/8 slots > 340 Meg IDE Hard drive > 8 Meg ram > 15 inch monitor > Keyboard/Mouse/Tower case > > And it only costs $3 000 Canadian! Not too bad I thought. > Too bad that it will be running DOS/Windows (Hopefully only > until May 25 that is :-) Is anyone else looking at this > system? I'd like to know how much a SCSI controller might > be for one of these (I'll get her to run NS/i yet! :-) Looks > like this sytem only needs a bit more VRAM/RAM and maybe a bit > bigger monitor to be better. > later... > Rob > They do have the best prices I have found yet on NS machines. The upgrade price (not the same as later purchase) for a bigger SCSI disk is 505, VRAM upgrade is 90, 17" nanao upgrade is 765, ethernet 105, 64MB memory 2600 (ouch) total for super system: 7060. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <1993Mar25.122014.5249@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Mar25.023222.11315@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 12:20:14 GMT In article <1993Mar25.023222.11315@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: > In article <1993Mar24.175610.15952@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: > >I understand that the Intel GX has built-in SCSI but there is no > >driver for it. What is involved in creating a driver and why isn't > >there one available? What are my alternatives? IDE? Another SCSI > >adaptor? > > > > Both. :-) You can use the internal IDE drive, but to install the > pre-release version you have to have a supported SCSI card (since the > CDROM installation process requires a SCSI CDROM drive). This only > includes the Adaptec 1542B and the DPT 2012B/EISA cards currently. > And the DPT doesn't work with the NeXT CDROM drive. So that's only > one option left... > > Michael McCulloch > -- Does anyone know the performance trade off of using IDE over the adaptec controller. Some of the vendors have VL IDE controllers, are these supported by NS? -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
From: root@cadence (Cadence Digital Audio Inc.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXTT<->PC via Ethernet Date: 25 Mar 1993 15:55:43 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Distribution: world Message-ID: <1osklvINN6jp@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <1oruh3$mo4@lehtori.cc.tut.fi> In article <1oruh3$mo4@lehtori.cc.tut.fi> albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) writes: > This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen > Since I don't have a 1.44 MB floppy in my 030-next, so I'm planning of > buying a PC with a floppy drive and ethernet card. How well does this kind > of arrangement works in practise? Can you recommend any particular > ethernet card? Is it possible to boot via Ethernet, if there's only a > PC (286) on the end of the cable? All comments appreciated. > -Juha I have a small network consisting of two NeXT cubes and two 486's running DOS/Windows. I have used a Gateway and CNET (and temporarily used a 3COM) and I use SUN PCNFS on the PC's and I start the PCNFSD on the NeXT server. This configuration works great and I can mount a directory on my NeXT as a logical device (ie. D: E: etc..) on the PC. This configuration also allows for netprinting and the NeXTLaser appears on LPT2:. If you would like more info on this setup, please contact me through email (cadence@unixg.ubc.ca just in case my hostname isn't correct due to temporary slip).
From: Ruediger Popp <rpopp@ebigek01.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXTT<->PC via Ethernet Date: 25 Mar 1993 16:33:17 GMT Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Distribution: world Message-ID: <1osmsd$hoi@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> References: <1osklvINN6jp@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In article <1osklvINN6jp@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> root@cadence (Cadence Digital Audio Inc.) writes: > In article <1oruh3$mo4@lehtori.cc.tut.fi> albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala > Pasi) writes: [lines deleted] We run a mixed net with 15 NeXTs (NS2.1/NS3.0) and 10 286/386/486 PCs. On the PC-side we use PCTCP Ver. 2.1 from FTP-Software and the SMC Elite 16 Combo Cards. The PCTCP-LPD we use on one PC-XT, which is our print-server for the PCs. We do this because we want to protect our 040 Cube from being loaded with the students print jobs they run on the PCs. Cabling is a mixed cheapernet and twisted pair setup. All needed services are provided: - remote printing on PS-printers (HPLJIIISi and NeXT) - mounting of UNIX-directories (using rpc.pcnfsd on the NeXT) - telnet, ftp, rlogin - mail and news Remote booting we have not checked yet. Feel free to contact us in case of further questions. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ruediger Popp Engler-Bunte-Institut Bereich Chemie und Technik von Gas, Erdoel und Kohle Universitaet Karlsruhe (TH) Richard-Willstaetter-Allee 5 W 7500 Karlsruhe 1 (ab 01.07.93: 76128 Karlsruhe) Germany FAX : +49 721 69 30 19 E-MAIL: rpopp@ebigek01.ciw.uni-karlsruhe.de (NeXT-Mail preferred) -----------------------------------------------------------------
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Need Disktab for OD drive. Message-ID: <Mar.25.13.16.34.1993.29822@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 25 Mar 93 18:16:34 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Hi all, Im still trying to get my Ricoh RO-5030E2 SCSI optical drive to work on my NeXT. It would be great if anyone out there has a disktab for it. Or if you have a disktab for any 5.25" 600meg OD. I would guess that the disktabs would be close for such units. Just some info. It spins at 1800 rpm. Sector size is 512 #tracks per sector is 32. I could really use some help on this since my feeble mind isnt capable of making my disktab work. Thank you in advance. :) Later, John
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXTT<->PC via Ethernet Message-ID: <0bJs02nq3c7801@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 25 Mar 93 17:06:30 GMT References: <1oruh3$mo4@lehtori.cc.tut.fi> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA In article <1oruh3$mo4@lehtori.cc.tut.fi>, albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) writes: >This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen >Since I don't have a 1.44 MB floppy in my 030-next, so I'm planning of >buying a PC with a floppy drive and ethernet card. How well does this >kind >of arrangement works in practise? Can you recommend any particular It works fine until you need to install software. I have the same set up since I had a PC before I bought my cube. NFS works (sort of - I can get the PC to write to the NFS volume) and FTP and Telnet work great. >ethernet card? Is it possible to boot via Ethernet, if there's only a >PC (286) on the end of the cable? All comments appreciated. Since the PC is a client booting in my setup is not possible. To boot your PC would have to be an NFS server. >-Juha -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing */ /* on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't */ /* make you a diner. Being here in America doesn't make you an */ /* American." */ /* --Malcolm X */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 Hardware Message-ID: <1993Mar25.185453.14828@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1993Mar24.035858.21806@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1993Mar25.121739.5195@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 18:54:53 GMT In article <1993Mar25.121739.5195@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> harit@kripalu.com writes: >In article <1993Mar24.035858.21806@bmerh85.bnr.ca> >sircomp@bcarh90.bnr.ca (Brian Magee) writes: >> Hi all: >> A friend of mine is picking up a machine from Gateway >> 2000 which looks like it should run NeXTSTEP/Intel fairly >> well. From memory, the specs are: >> >> 486/66 with 256k cache >> VESA Local bus (2 free slots) >> ATI Ultra Pro Graphics with 1meg VRAM >> ISA bus/8 slots >> 340 Meg IDE Hard drive >> 8 Meg ram >> 15 inch monitor >> Keyboard/Mouse/Tower case >> [stuff deleted...] >> Rob >> >They do have the best prices I have found yet on NS machines. The >upgrade price (not the same as later purchase) for a bigger SCSI disk >is 505, VRAM upgrade is 90, 17" nanao upgrade is 765, ethernet 105, >64MB memory 2600 (ouch) total for super system: 7060. The Nanao upgrade (or equivalent) will probably be required. Seems like I read a PC rag that said Gateway's stock monitors can only do 68 Hz at 1024 x 768. I think NS/Intel requires 72 Hz. Of course, the stock monitors could probably handle 72 Hz in 800 x 600 mode (YUCK!). I'm not sure on this -- maybe somebody could further clarify? -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NeXTmail Accepted!) NeXT Registered Developer #1031 Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge) Subject: removable drives Message-ID: <1993Mar25.211945.16155@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 21:19:45 GMT I'm thinking of getting a removable drive i.e. something like a Bernoulli Transportable 90 Pro or the MDS 88 Removable Drive. I'd like to know if NeXTconnection is the best place to buy those "toys", which is the best buy (in your opinion) or any other useful information you can think of. Thanks in advance Andre Roberge
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: Re: Contacting HSD [was Re: Anybody use HSD Scanners? Thumbs UP] Message-ID: <1993Mar25.172943.5953@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. References: <1993Mar22.222018.25223@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 17:29:43 GMT In article <1993Mar22.222018.25223@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) writes: > On the topic of contacting HSD, do they have e-mail, or do I have to > resort to the phone thing? > I can be reached at the email address in my .sig file below. For technical issues contact Kevin Rarick (krarick@hsd.com). For general information or if you just don't know who to contact, send email to info@hsd.com. NeXTmail accepted! Sincerely, David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: MODEMS-HELP! Date: 25 Mar 1993 22:04:42 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ota9q$iq6@hamblin.math.byu.edu> I need to spend some grant money right away on some hardware and I need a modem, fast and will run on plain old telephone lines. Fax capability nice but not a requirement. I could spend around $700.00 if needed - more if there is a compelling reason. What's the fastest, best, that will work on a NeXTstation or 040 cube? THanks, -Bill P.S. I have Communicae available to drive the modem. -- Nextmail: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Printers and NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Mar25.225504.26827@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 22:55:04 GMT What will the printing setup of choice likely be in an all-Intel NeXTSTEP environment? If NeXT laser printers cannot be used on white hardware, is there a setup available that that meet or exceed the cost and performance of the NeXT laser? The only true PostScript printers I've ever used were so slow that they were no match for the NeXT laser. I'm sure things have changed in the last 3 years, but I'm wondering what kind of printing solution will be most effective, i.e., decent cost and good performance with NeXTSTEP. The prospect of running NeXTSTEP on a Pentium-based machine but having to print over a 9600 baud serial connection doesn't seem appetizing! :-) What's the "right way" to do this? John Bartley
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Printers and NS/FIP Message-ID: <6827@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 25 Mar 93 23:25:18 GMT References: <1993Mar25.225504.26827@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <1993Mar25.225504.26827@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: >What will the printing setup of choice likely be in an all-Intel NeXTSTEP >environment? If NeXT laser printers cannot be used on white hardware, is >there a setup available that that meet or exceed the cost and performance of >the NeXT laser? Why doesn't some developer make an ISA/EISA interface card for it? Someone could make a tidy bundle of cash for what (to the hardware-unwise) seems like an easy project. >John Bartley -- ** Casimir J. (Casey) Palowitch - In 1996, there will be two kinds ** ** Slavic Cataloger - of computer professional : those ** ** U. of Pgh. Library Systems - who know NeXTStep, and those ** ** cjp+@pitt.edu - without Jobs. **
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Gateway 2000 Hardware Date: 26 Mar 1993 00:10:12 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <1othl4INN7tg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Mar25.185453.14828@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> In article <1993Mar25.185453.14828@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: > The Nanao upgrade (or equivalent) will probably be required. Seems > like I read a PC rag that said Gateway's stock monitors can only > do 68 Hz at 1024 x 768. I think NS/Intel requires 72 Hz. Of course, > the stock monitors could probably handle 72 Hz in 800 x 600 mode (YUCK!). > > I'm not sure on this -- maybe somebody could further clarify? > > -- Copied from the owner's manual of my Gateway DX2-66: ...The local bus Graphics Ultra Pro supports different vertical refresh rates of up to 72Hz at 640x480, 76 Hz at 1024x768, 76 Hz at 800x600 and 74 Hz at 1280x1024... Copied from the owner's manual of my Gateway Crystalscan 1572FS 15" color monitor (standard with the DX2-66): ...The CrystalScan 1572 FS offers the following features: ... 1024x768 resolution at up to 76 Hz refresh rate. ... By the way, if I could go back and do it again, I would go the extra $350 for the 15" NEC which was the alternative when I bought it. I think the colors on the CrystalScan are kind of washed out, and it's a little out of focus in one corner. I have a friend who also bought this system and sent his monitor back because it too was slightly out of focus (in a different corner), and the replacement was just as bad. While we're on the subject, the general construction of the Gateway has disappointed me. The case doesn't fit together very well, the blank floppy covers pop out occasionally, and only three of the full-size expansion slots can actually accomodate full-size boards (the others are blocked by the RAM and RAM Cache. When you use the three usable full-length slots, your boards end up right over the 80486, inhibiting its air flow and warming the boards. Maybe I've been spoiled by my NeXTcube, but I find it dissapointing that Gateway provides exactly what they advertise, no more and no less. -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gemoe@proximus.north.de (Gerhard Moeller) Subject: Re: Release All DRIVER Sources for NS/Intel References: <1nmu0g$gjd@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: gemoe@proximus.north.de Organization: Gerhard Moeller, German NeXT User Group, Oldenburg. Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 22:29:05 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar25.222905.13634@proximus.north.de> In article <1nmu0g$gjd@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > NeXT should release all the DEVICE DRIVER sources they develop > in the Developer version of NS/Intel, in /NextDeveloper/Drivers > directory. Not just a few token examples, but driver sources for > ALL of the supported devices. The more, the better. I agree completely! Gerhard. (With an Archive Viper ;-) ) -- +---------------------------< principiis obsta! >---------------------------+ N Gerhard Moeller, Teichstrasse 12, 2900 Oldenburg (FRG) [*: 02/21/1968] N e Private: gemoe@proximus.north.de Phone (voice): +49-441-75520 e X Uni: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE NeXTmail X T Z-Net: Gerhard.Moeller@uniol.zer encouraged! T +-> NoGeNUG - Northern German NeXT User Group: NoGeNUG@proximus.north.DE <-+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <1993Mar26.023058.5256@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <abellC4Fu4u.J73@netcom.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 02:30:58 GMT In article <abellC4Fu4u.J73@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes: > I managed to get ahold of an ND board, but couldn't get a NeXT monitor. > It has been suggested that I get a Sony 1604s or NEC 5FG. > I've seen both and they look OK, > but they both seem to flicker more than I remember NeXT monitors doing. > Is this my imagination? > Any other suggestions for 17" color monitors? Nanao T560i, the best damn 17" display I've seen (even "better" than the much too late NeXT/Sony display since it has many more controls). -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: drebnord@betenoir.syr.edu (David A. Rebnord) Subject: Followup to Free (well, almost free) NextBus hardware docs. Message-ID: <1993Mar25.163417.20883@newstand.syr.edu> References: <1993Mar24.142109.24259@newstand.syr.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 25 Mar 93 16:34:15 EST In article <1993Mar24.142109.24259@newstand.syr.edu> drebnord@betenoir.syr.edu I wrote: > NeXTcube owners, > > I have 1 shrinkwrapped copy of the NextBus Specification, and the > NextBus Interface Chip Specification, that I would be delighted to send > to anyone for the asking and the shipping costs (no more than $5 tops). > > I have only one copy, first come, first served. So those of you who want to > get in on the ground floor of the soon to be booming market for add in > boards for the NeXTcube should act now -- don't delay! :-) :-) I am flabbergasted at the response. I thought at most 2 or 3 people would respond. In fact I've gotten about 20 requests and I'm still averaging 1 new request every hour. I had no idea that so many people were still interested in the NextBus and that the specification documents were so scarce. I have left a message with the legal department at NeXT Inc. I am going to propose to them the following alternatives. 1) NeXT Inc. make the contents of the NextBus specification and the NextBus Interface Chip Specification available in .rtf or .ps format and place them on the ftp archives at sonata.cc.purdue.edu and cs.orst.edu. or 2) Grant me or some other organization (e.g., BaNG, ANDI) permission to make photocopies of the specifications and distribute them at the cost of reproduction and shipping. When the legal department at NeXT gives me an answer I will post another short note with their decision. -- Dave Rebnord | drebnord@betenoir.syr.edu (NeXTmail) Dept. of Mathematics | (315) 443-1585 (voice) Syracuse University | (315) 443-1475 (fax) Syracuse NY 13244-1150 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: orange@superior.carleton.ca (Paul Vallee) Subject: Mouse slipping (ADB) Message-ID: <orange.733116286@cunews> Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 03:24:46 GMT Has anyone else noticed annoying mouse slippage on their ADM mouse? I cleaned mine according to instructions, but found that the problem was not dirt, but rather accumulated filament in the works (three wheels.) This filament was obviously from my mouse pad lint. It was stuck pretty well in there. I could not get it out with a pin or tweezers. I did not dare open the thing up. Anyone else seen this? Any suggestions on how to fix it once and for all? (doubt it.) Any suggestions on how to fix it until next time? By the way, I suspect this is a design flaw. I have had and used a logitech mouse for three years without the need to clean it even once, on an identical mouse pad. Thanks, orange@ccs.carleton.ca ------- Paul Vallee ---- 542429@acadvm1.uottawa.ca "It is preferable to incur a mild punishment than to perform an onerous task." --- Roald Dahl ------------Home: (613)234-6625 --------- Work: (613)996-3263------------
From: kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <Mar.26.01.17.25.1993.8413@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: 26 Mar 93 06:17:26 GMT References: <1993Mar25.023222.11315@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1993Mar25.122014.5249@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. harit@kripalu.com writes: >Does anyone know the performance trade off of using IDE over the >adaptec controller. Some of the vendors have VL IDE controllers, are >these supported by NS? Currently the fastest disk controller that works is the DPT EISA card. VL cards (once supported) will be the fastest thing out, but may be overkill. What good is it if the card can do 66megs/sec when the HD maxes out at around 4-5megs per sec? EISA, right now until HD's speed up, is probably the ideal performer. later, John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jscott@vardamir.next.nd.edu (James Scott) Subject: Hacking a case for an internal SCSI drive Message-ID: <1993Mar25.161849.22657@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 16:18:49 GMT Folx, I have a project brewing...I was wondering if anyone Out There knows what it would take to hack a case for an internal SCSI drive. I imagine the power supply would be pretty easy, but I'm curious as to the availability of the other necessary gadgets -SCSI id selector, terminator stuff, etc. Is this something I could spit-and-solder together myself, or am I better off biting the bullet and buying a ready-made case? I have this really nice shoe box here that I was planning on using... Thanks for any replies. James -- James Scott | jscott@cleese.next.nd.edu University of Notre Dame | NeXTMail Appreciated Student Unix Analyst | NeXT Campus Consultant 219.634.1599 | AUDIX: x5429 Real Users find the one combination of bizarre input values that shuts down the system for days.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <1993Mar25.163345.1490@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <abellC4Fu4u.J73@netcom.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 16:33:45 GMT In article <abellC4Fu4u.J73@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes: > I managed to get ahold of an ND board, but couldn't get a NeXT monitor. > It has been suggested that I get a Sony 1604s or NEC 5FG. > I've seen both and they look OK, > but they both seem to flicker more than I remember NeXT monitors doing. > Is this my imagination? > Any other suggestions for 17" color monitors? The very best monitors are Ikegami. They are 20inch and cost about $2000 (street). Try MacAdam in San Francisco. hfp@macadam.com M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: MODEMS-HELP! Message-ID: <1993Mar26.023754.2850@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1ota9q$iq6@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 02:37:54 GMT In article <1ota9q$iq6@hamblin.math.byu.edu> bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) writes: > I need to spend some grant money right away on some hardware and > I need a modem, fast and will run on plain old telephone lines. Fax > capability nice but not a requirement. I could spend around > $700.00 if needed - more if there is a compelling reason. What's the fastest, > best, that will work on a NeXTstation or 040 cube? THanks, I use and would suggest a Telebit WorldBlazer. About $700 from Gotham Users of the NeXT. Try sending mail to info@gun.com. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: sritchie@cs.ubc.ca (Stuart Ritchie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Date: 26 Mar 1993 02:25:15 -0800 Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <1oulmbINNr91@stephen.cs.ubc.ca> References: <1993Mar25.023222.11315@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1993Mar25.122014.5249@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> <Mar.26.01.17.25.1993.8413@gandalf.rutgers.edu> John Kheit writes: >Currently the fastest disk controller that works is the DPT EISA card. >VL cards (once supported) will be the fastest thing out, but may be >overkill. What good is it if the card can do 66megs/sec when the HD >maxes out at around 4-5megs per sec? EISA, right now until HD's speed >up, is probably the ideal performer. > >later, John But I would rather not pay the additional cost for EISA, when a faster "local bus" is already in the system. On the other hand, I wonder if I really want disk accesses interleaved with video RAM accesses.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: NEC runaround. Message-ID: <1993Mar23.052139.2977@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <C4B9ox.6nG@cs.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 05:21:39 GMT In article <C4B9ox.6nG@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes: > After reading the NextWorld article on NS 486 I called > NEC's 1-800 number to see if they had anything out yet on a > NS compatible clone. They had no clue what I was talking > about in any of the many divisions I talked to although one > place said they'ed had a lot of calls similar to mine. They > stii didn't know what NS 486 is. Finally after 15 minutes > of talking to computer illeterates (I was nice) they > transferred me yet again and I was hung up on. Let's see, > who else is selling NS 486 machines? This seems to be quite common and certainly isn't limited to NEC. Until companies make explicit announcements, it's very hard to get info out of them. We've had the same experience with everyone that we know is bundling NeXTSTEP. It's frustrating, but hopefully it will change soon. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: MODEMS-HELP! Message-ID: <1993Mar26.114934.27441@macc.wisc.edu> Sender: news@macc.wisc.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison References: <1ota9q$iq6@hamblin.math.byu.edu> <1993Mar26.023754.2850@bluerose.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 93 11:49:34 GMT In article <1993Mar26.023754.2850@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >In article <1ota9q$iq6@hamblin.math.byu.edu> bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu >(Bill Smith) writes: >> I need to spend some grant money right away on some hardware and >> I need a modem, fast and will run on plain old telephone lines. Fax >> capability nice but not a requirement. I could spend around >> $700.00 if needed - more if there is a compelling reason. What's the >> fastest, >> best, that will work on a NeXTstation or 040 cube? THanks, >I use and would suggest a Telebit WorldBlazer. About $700 from Gotham >Users of the NeXT. Try sending mail to info@gun.com. I use MultiTech 1432EABs, since replaced with the smaller (but not so tiny as WorldBlazers) and cooler (temp-wise) 1432BA, about $450 a pop for educational users. -- [Jess Anderson <> Division of Information Technology, University of Wisconsin] [Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson] [Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888] [---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Date: 26 Mar 1993 10:31:06 -0000 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Distribution: na Message-ID: <1oum1a$4pq@steffi.demon.co.uk> References: <abellC4Fu4u.J73@netcom.com> <1993Mar25.163345.1490@bluerose.com> >The very best monitors are Ikegami. They are 20inch and cost about $2000 >(street). Try MacAdam in San Francisco. hfp@macadam.com Can do they compare with the Eizo Flexican T range? Do they sell them in the US? I don't think you can beat a Eizo T660i-t
From: tim@apple.com (Tim Olson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Floating-point processor questions Message-ID: <tim-260393100646@129.38.222.43> Date: 26 Mar 93 16:10:41 GMT Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Apple Computer Inc. / Somerset Robert Ring writes: ------------------- 2. How does one control the rounding direction of the floating-point processor? Can one control it at all? (I'm hoping one can, based on the fact that "man 3m math" and "man ieee" both refer to IEEE Standard 754 which requires that the rounding direction be specifiable. In fact, in "man 3m math" I find the following: IEEE STANDARD 754 Floating-Point Arithmetic: This standard is on its way to becoming more widely adopted than any other design for computer arithmetic. VLSI chips that conform to some version of that standard have been pro- duced by a host of manufacturers, among them ... Intel i8087, i80287 National Semiconductor 32081 Motorola 68881 Weitek WTL-1032, ... , -1165 Zilog Z8070 Western Electric (AT&T) WE32106. Also, I understand that the NeXTCubes used the Motorola 68882 chip for a floating-point processor.) ---------------------- I was always under the impression that the 68882 was IEEE-754 compliant, but I have found a number of LSB round-to-nearest errors in addition and multiplication. Heck, I can't even get the thing to pass Kahn's PARANOIA code! Has anyone run PARANOIA on a 68040-based NeXT? How does it do? -- Tim Olson Apple Computer Inc. / Somerset (tim@apple.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: NeXTT<->PC via Ethernet Message-ID: <C4HHJt.939@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1oruh3$mo4@lehtori.cc.tut.fi> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 06:47:52 GMT In article <1oruh3$mo4@lehtori.cc.tut.fi> albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) writes: >This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen >Since I don't have a 1.44 MB floppy in my 030-next, so I'm planning of >buying a PC with a floppy drive and ethernet card. How well does this kind >of arrangement works in practise? Can you recommend any particular >ethernet card? Is it possible to boot via Ethernet, if there's only a >PC (286) on the end of the cable? All comments appreciated. I have a PC Ethernet'd to my Cube. I'm using a 3-Com Etkerlink II-TP (twisted pair connection). The software I've tried includes NFS PC solutions and Appletalk based ones. From my perspective, the Appletalk one is great, reliable, easy to set up, etc...It's from IPT. It's advertised as being for NeXT's and Mac's, but it works fine with Farallon's Phonenet for Windows. It also works with Copstalk, but I've had problems logging off with Coppstalk. They are going to fix that apparently. Copstalk won't give you a full network server client (it will in a few months). Farallon's solution does. It's works fine. You can print to Postscript, NeXT, etc... printers and access the NeXT harddrive. I personally would wait for Copstalk to come out with a full client version of their software as they have a very elegant approach. The key piece of software in all of this is IPT's uShare and uPrint. It will give your PC/Mac access to the NeXT's hard drive and allow printing from the NeXT to an Ethernet's printer or from the PC to a NeXT printer. It's a very nice piece of software. At the moment IPT does not have a client side for hard drives for the NeXT. This will be available soon. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) Subject: Re: Mouse slipping (ADB) Message-ID: <C4IB7p.GFt@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <orange.733116286@cunews> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 17:28:37 GMT Paul Vallee writes -> Has anyone else noticed annoying mouse slippage on their ADM mouse? I -> cleaned mine according to instructions, but found that the problem was -> not dirt, but rather accumulated filament in the works (three wheels.) -> -> This filament was obviously from my mouse pad lint. It was stuck -> pretty well in there. I could not get it out with a pin or tweezers. -> I did not dare open the thing up. -> -> Anyone else seen this? Any suggestions on how to fix it once and for -> all? (doubt it.) Any suggestions on how to fix it until next time? -> Basically these ADB mice -- though nice feeling -- are real pieces of crap...although I haven't had too much trouble with the lint factor, I have had trouble with the mouse button sticking a lot on any of the mice that get used substantially....ah..well...too bad I guess... -- ________________________________________________________________________ / 'The midnight sun will burn you up" -The Cure, Piggy in the Mirror / / soward@ms.uky.edu | soward@inslab.uky.edu (NeXT Mail) / /_______________________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <C4IBD2.H7E@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <Mar.26.01.17.25.1993.8413@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 17:31:49 GMT John Kheit writes -> harit@kripalu.com writes: -> >Does anyone know the performance trade off of using IDE over the -> >adaptec controller. Some of the vendors have VL IDE controllers, are -> >these supported by NS? -> Currently the fastest disk controller that works is the DPT EISA card. VL -> cards (once supported) will be the fastest thing out, but may be overkill. -> What good is it if the card can do 66megs/sec when the HD maxes out at -> around 4-5megs per sec? EISA, right now until HD's speed up, is probably -> the ideal performer. This is true for most everything except for a good sized server or basically any multi-disked unit...say you were using SCSI-II fast with some new big Segates (10M/sec) two or three of those would easily overflow EISA... 'course for a server this is no big deal since E-net will get you less than 1Mbyte/sec anyway -- but maybe FDDI? ;^> -- ________________________________________________________________________ / 'The midnight sun will burn you up" -The Cure, Piggy in the Mirror / / soward@ms.uky.edu | soward@inslab.uky.edu (NeXT Mail) / /_______________________________________________________________________/
From: sls@duke.cs.duke.edu (Shelley L. Shostak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cancel <733169655@duke.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: <733169686@duke.cs.duke.edu> Date: 26 Mar 93 18:14:47 GMT References: <733169655@duke.cs.duke.edu> Control: cancel <733169655@duke.cs.duke.edu> Sender: sls@duke.cs.duke.edu Distribution: na Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C. <733169655@duke.cs.duke.edu> was cancelled from within rn.
From: sls@duke.cs.duke.edu (Shelley L. Shostak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: formatting a disk Message-ID: <733170446@duke.cs.duke.edu> Date: 26 Mar 93 18:27:27 GMT Distribution: na Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C. We had an internal 105 which started reporting errors, so I thought that I would reformat the disk to fix bad blocks. So I hooked it up as an external to another next, and tried both sdform and disk -F (with a label as reported by disk -q) to reformat the disk. sdform said it would take 5 minutes, but finished in 2 seconds. disk -F finished just as quickly. I was able to newfs the disk, mount it, and fsck. I also tried the infamous "formatter 1.2" program, but it gave a message complaining about mode sense, and also appeared not to do anything. Incidentally, I formatted it on a Sun and it had hard errors, so the disk really is toast. But What gives with the formatting bit? Does NeXT/mach not need to format the disk in the same way as a Sun does? Or is something here wrong? We just ordered a 2GB external which I'll have to reformat for a NeXT, so I'm concerned about formatting the disk. Thanks, Shelley -- Shelley L. Shostak (919) 660-2565 Physics Dept. sls@phy.duke.edu Duke University Durham, N.C. 27706
From: kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu.mc.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: MODEMS-HELP! Message-ID: <12226@news.duke.edu> Date: 26 Mar 93 18:39:28 GMT References: <1ota9q$iq6@hamblin.math.byu.edu> Sender: news@news.duke.edu Bill Smith (bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu) wrote: : I need to spend some grant money right away on some hardware and : I need a modem, fast and will run on plain old telephone lines. Fax : capability nice but not a requirement. I could spend around : $700.00 if needed - more if there is a compelling reason. What's the fastest, : best, that will work on a NeXTstation or 040 cube? THanks, Why not try the ZyXEL U-1496E+? Except for propriatary protocols which only work with other like modems, the ZyXEL is just as fast and will be faster when new standards come out and you upgrade it(Such as V.FAST). And it's only about $350. You can buy NXFax, powerful fax software, when you decide you need to. Kurt Bollacker Duke University Medical Center kdb@sunbar.mc.dukee.edu 919-660-5104
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: formatting a disk Message-ID: <5c6k02Mm3c.E01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 26 Mar 93 19:57:00 GMT References: <733170446@duke.cs.duke.edu> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA In article <733170446@duke.cs.duke.edu>, sls@duke.cs.duke.edu (Shelley L. Shostak) writes: > >We had an internal 105 which started reporting errors, so I thought >that I >would reformat the disk to fix bad blocks. So I hooked it up as an >external >to another next, and tried both sdform and disk -F (with a label as >reported >by disk -q) to reformat the disk. sdform said it would take 5 minutes, >but >finished in 2 seconds. disk -F finished just as quickly. I was able >to >newfs the disk, mount it, and fsck. > >I also tried the infamous "formatter 1.2" program, but it gave a >message >complaining about mode sense, and also appeared not to do anything. Bad idea. I did that to a 105 and it is unusable until I do the SCSI tools stuff on it. I'll get around to it when I need it. > >Incidentally, I formatted it on a Sun and it had hard errors, so the disk >really is toast. Maybe not since you may have screwed up the pages using the formatter. > >But What gives with the formatting bit? Does NeXT/mach not need to format >the disk in the same way as a Sun does? Or is something here wrong? This disk returns from a format command very quickly because (and I found out the hard way) it doesn't do a low level format on command. You also can't change the sector size (found out the hard way). > >We just ordered a 2GB external which I'll have to reformat for a NeXT, so >I'm concerned about formatting the disk. I depends on the drive. The 105 didn't format but all the large capacity drives I've used, 330MB or larger have actually done a low level format. The drive I have now, a Maxtor P0-12S formats for real, none of that returning in two seconds crap. > >Thanks, >Shelley > >-- > Shelley L. Shostak (919) 660-2565 > Physics Dept. sls@phy.duke.edu > Duke University > Durham, N.C. 27706 -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing */ /* on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't */ /* make you a diner. Being here in America doesn't make you an */ /* American." */ /* --Malcolm X */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: Re: Printers and NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Mar26.191706.3635@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies References: <1993Mar25.225504.26827@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 19:17:06 GMT The laser printer of choice for NS/Intel seems to be the 600DPI HP LaserJet 4M. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies In article <1993Mar25.225504.26827@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > What will the printing setup of choice likely be in an all-Intel NeXTSTEP > environment? If NeXT laser printers cannot be used on white hardware, is > there a setup available that that meet or exceed the cost and performance of > the NeXT laser? The only true PostScript printers I've ever used were so > slow that they were no match for the NeXT laser. I'm sure things have > changed in the last 3 years, but I'm wondering what kind of printing > solution will be most effective, i.e., decent cost and good performance with > NeXTSTEP. > > The prospect of running NeXTSTEP on a Pentium-based machine but having to > print over a 9600 baud serial connection doesn't seem appetizing! :-) What's > the "right way" to do this? > > John Bartley
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Diagram and signal names for DSP connector. Keywords: DSP RAM Message-ID: <5dD502c33cQT01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 26 Mar 93 20:02:51 GMT References: <1993Mar19.181744.22856@bluerose.com> <1oet24$atr@nntp.crl.com> <1993Mar24.175305.18300@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA I'd like a DSP expansion and since they are no longer available I will make my own. I need to know what the pin out is for the connector in the machine. Since it require static ram it should be pretty easy to build a card. But w/ out pinouts and signal names I have no idea where to start. Kent -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
From: Lyle_Seaman@transarc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 16:34:27 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <IfgrPXr0BwwbA0xb8p@transarc.com> References: <1993Mar25.023222.11315@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1993Mar25.122014.5249@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> <Mar.26.01.17.25.1993.8413@gandalf.rutgers.edu> In-Reply-To: <Mar.26.01.17.25.1993.8413@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > (once supported) will be the fastest thing out, but may be overkill. What good i> s it if the card can do 66megs/sec when the HD maxes out at around 4-5megs per sec? EISA, right now until HD's speed up, is probably the ideal performer. The disk itself may max out at 4-5 MB/s transfer speed, but the transfer from the track cache to memory can be done much quicker, and won't tie up a fast bus for nearly as long as a slow bus. Lyle Transarc 707 Grant Street 412 338 4474 The Gulf Tower Pittsburgh 15219
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) Subject: Re: Printers and NS/FIP Message-ID: <C4IroH.G0r@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences References: <6827@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 23:24:16 GMT Casimir J Palowitch writes -> In article <1993Mar25.225504.26827@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: -> >What will the printing setup of choice likely be in an all-Intel NeXTSTEP -> >environment? If NeXT laser printers cannot be used on white hardware, is -> >there a setup available that that meet or exceed the cost and performance of -> >the NeXT laser? -> -> Why doesn't some developer make an ISA/EISA interface card for it? -> Someone could make a tidy bundle of cash for what (to the -> hardware-unwise) seems like an easy project. -> Well, some obvious problems would be: 1> no docs on the interface speeds etc... (but these could be gotten) 2> no driver/support from the OS side... (but these could be written) 3> if you have a NeXTPrinter you probably have a NeXT so just use it...it will last about as long as the printer ;-) -- ________________________________________________________________________ / 'The midnight sun will burn you up" -The Cure, Piggy in the Mirror / / soward@ms.uky.edu | soward@inslab.uky.edu (NeXT Mail) / /_______________________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <1993Mar26.200927.2600@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <Mar.26.01.17.25.1993.8413@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 20:09:27 GMT In article <Mar.26.01.17.25.1993.8413@gandalf.rutgers.edu> kheit@gandalf.rutgers.edu (John Kheit) writes: > Currently the fastest disk controller that works is the > DPT EISA card. A good time to point out that the DPT EISA card is currently incompatible with NeXT (and presumably Apple) Sony-based CD-ROM drives. The Adaptec works fine. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Manuel Alberto Ricart) Subject: ZyXEL U1496E Modem settings Message-ID: <1993Mar26.222819.222@parsec.mixcom.com> Sender: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Alberto Ricart) Organization: SmartSoft, Inc. Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 22:28:19 GMT Hi, I was wondering if anyone had a configuration file for the ZyXEL U1496E, I just got one, and it seem to drop the line often. If you have a working config (at&v0) that you'd like to share please email me away! Thanks, --- Manuel Alberto Ricart alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome> -- Manuel Alberto Ricart alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dpeter@hsd.com (David W. Peter) Subject: ***HSD'S BIGGEST SALE EVER ENDS March 31*** Message-ID: <1993Mar27.014607.10136@dakota.hsd.com> Sender: news@dakota.hsd.com Organization: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 01:46:07 GMT Last chance to purchase Black scanners... HSD'S BIGGEST SALE EVER ENDS March 31. Don't miss this opportunity to save big $$$'s on some great NeXTSTEP Products. And this may be your last opportunity to purchase a politically correct "black" scanner for use with your NeXT (or Intel) hardware. When our current inventory runs out, and there are not many units left, we'll stop manufacturing "black" scanners forever. Beginning in May, HSD scanners will be available in what will become, presumably, politically correct "PC Platinum." And by the way, if you receive this message more than once, please let us know under which aliases or addresses additional copies were received so that we can remove them. Or, if you'd like your name removed altogether, we'll gladly do that too. HSD WINTER SALE UP TO 70% OFF RETAIL PRICES HARDWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Scan-X Professional(w/PowerScan)$1495- $1095- Scan-X Color(w/PowerScan) $1995- $1495- Scan-X DP20(w/Electrophile) $5995 $4495- Auto Document Feeder $449- $349- SOFTWARE PRODUCTS RETAIL PRICE WINTER SALE PRICE Simon Says $295- $99 OCR Servant $295- $99 HSD Spell(Includes 2 Languages) $195 $99 Additional Languages $99 $49 (11 Languages Available) SOFTWARE UPGRADES PRICE COMMENTS PowerScan (1.03) $99 For Scan-X Users Simon Says (1.1b) FREE To Registered Users OCR Servant (2.03) FREE To Registered Users HSD Spell (1.03) FREE To Registered Users Offer available until March 31, 1993. To place an order, contact HSD Sales at: HSD Microcomputer U.S., Inc. 1350 Pear Ave., Suite C Mountain View, CA 94043 Ph: (800) 828-5522 or (415) 964-1400 Fax: (415) 964-1538 email: info@hsd.com Payment via credit card (Visa or Mastercard), or cashiers check. Educational, Government and Corporate P.O.'s subject to approval. - One Year Warranty on Hardware Products - 30 Day Money Back Guarantee on Hardware Products - No Quantity Limits Please contact me directly if you have any quesitons. Sincerely, -- David W. Peter dpeter@hsd.com (NeXTmail) (800) 828-5522 (415) 964-1400
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <1993Mar27.043347.19730@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1oum1a$4pq@steffi.demon.co.uk> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 04:33:47 GMT In article <1oum1a$4pq@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > >The very best monitors are Ikegami. They are 20inch and cost about $2000 > >(street). Try MacAdam in San Francisco. hfp@macadam.com > > Can do they compare with the Eizo Flexican T range? Do they sell them > in the US? I don't think you can beat a Eizo T660i-t The US name for that company is Nanao, and I agree they are the best I've had the pleasure of using. $2,000 sounds awfully cheap for a 20" display. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca () Subject: Re: Powering up NeXT's without monitors/keyboards Message-ID: <tilley.733207946@tilley> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> <1993Mar23.140105.6727@urz.unibas.ch> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 04:52:26 GMT frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) writes: >In article <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> writes: >> >> Is it possible to turn on a cube or monochrome station without using >> a monitor/keyboard? >> ... > ... >But beware, some of the really old cubes' powersupplies didn't like it if no >load was connected. >As to booting, the NeXT should automatically boot after applying power. >Booting from a serial port is done from the /etc/ttys file. Check the entry for >the console, it has entries for both NeXTstep and terminal booting. (At least >mine does.) That change gets rid of the WindowServer. This is a good idea unless you have a NextPrinter attached. In the latter case you need to let the WindowServer run. As soon as that English lady tries to speak, your next will panic. I can't say that I blame it. Attaching a sound box should cure this. -- .. Richard <tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca> NextMail OK.
From: th@futon.sfsu.edu (Tom Holton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.dsp Subject: 576 KB DSP memory Keywords: DSP, memory Message-ID: <1993Mar26.191123.4601@nic.csu.net> Date: 27 Mar 93 03:11:21 GMT The Speech Recognition Lab at San Francisco State University has developed a DSP memory expansion board for the NeXT computer that provides the maximum memory supported by the DSP56001 processor. We are now offering this board to developers who are interested in developing high-performance custom DSP applications. (If you are not a DSP developer, this board will do nothing for you: existing programs that use the DSP will not run faster). -- The board is a 576KB DSP expansion memory board organized as three non-overlapping 192KB banks: X-data, Y-data and Program. The board uses relatively fast (<35ns) SRAM. This board provides 6 times the memory of NeXT's DSP memory expansion board, which offers only 96KB in an imaged memory configuration. -- The board is a high-quality, 4-layer board that fits into the DSP memory daughterboard slot on all NeXT machines. -- The price is $550 + $45.38 (CA sales tax) + $10 shipping/insurance by UPS Blue Label, or USPS Priority Mail. Total = $605.38. Other shipping arrangements (e.g. Next Day via UPS or FedEx) are available at cost. We can take check or P.O. -- Software: For the last 18 months, Joel Miller in my laboratory has been working on a package of routines to communicate between the DSP and the snddriver and a framework for calling DSP56001 assembly routines by issuing host commands. These two components have evolved into what we call the SDSP System, which is basically a low-level, fast and efficient replacement for NeXT's Array Processing system (not the functions themselves, but the method of organization). These routines will be available from us by ftp for board purchasers. -- Contact Tom Holton (th@ernie.sfsu.edu) to order or for further info. Prof. Tom Holton Division of Engineering San Francisco State University 1600 Holloway Avenue San Francisco, CA 94132 415/ 338-1529 (phone) 338-0525 (fax)
Newsgroups: andi.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: Survey of those using or planning to use NS-Intel Message-ID: <C4I3Ku.4pM@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,NeXTSTEP,NS-Intel,486 Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 14:43:41 GMT Please let us know what types of systems you have bought, including peripherals, to run NeXSTEP Intel. Of particular interest is the processor type/speed, what graphics system (including amount of memory and revsion number on board), what audio card (be very specific, including any model and revision number), what CD-ROM drive, what ethernet, and SCSI controller. ANDI plans to test as many configurations as possible and this information would help us to keep everyone better informed. Let us know what types of peripherals you would like to see supported. We are in the process of getting device drivers (most of which we hope will be done by NeXTWORLD Expo), so we would like to cover the devices most in demand. In meetings with the hardware manufacturers over the last month, it is clear that they see the benefit of having a Pentium processor to run NeXTSTEP. Until that time that they have a Pentium system, which looks like next year for many manufacturers, they are focusing on the 486 66Mhz for their high end machines and 33Mhz for their low end systems. What we would like to know is if anyone has purchased an SX based system to run NeXTSTEP? Even though this is a survey I feel it is important to recommend buying a 486 66Mhz system if you can afford the $100 to $300 price difference you incur over a 33Mhz system. Our next Update #6 will be out at the end of next week. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jhalchin@reis6 (Judy Halchin) Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <1993Mar27.144207.26762@pellns.alleg.edu> Sender: news@pellns.alleg.edu Organization: Allegheny College References: <1993Mar26.200927.2600@metrosoft.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 14:42:07 GMT > > A good time to point out that the DPT EISA card is currently > incompatible with NeXT (and presumably Apple) > Sony-based CD-ROM drives. The Adaptec works fine. > If you're planning to put an Adaptec card into an Intel GX Professional, be warned that there may be a size problem with the Adaptec 1542B. When we tried it, the card was just a little bit too long to fit into the machine. We finally made it fit by shaving an eighth of an inch off the end of the card, but it's a very tight fit. Perhaps the 1540B is shorter. Judy Halchin jhalchin@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!sci34hub!tybrin4!holli!me (Trey McClendon) Subject: Re: NeXTT<->PC via Ethernet Message-ID: <1993Mar27.134552.6031@holli.uucp> Sender: me@holli.uucp (My Account) Organization: TYBRIN Corporation -- Huntsville, AL References: <1oruh3$mo4@lehtori.cc.tut.fi> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 13:45:52 GMT In article <1oruh3$mo4@lehtori.cc.tut.fi> albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) writes: > This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen > Since I don't have a 1.44 MB floppy in my 030-next, so I'm planning of > buying a PC with a floppy drive and ethernet card. How well does this kind > of arrangement works in practise? Can you recommend any particular > ethernet card? Is it possible to boot via Ethernet, if there's only a > PC (286) on the end of the cable? All comments appreciated. > -Juha > We have about 3 PC's hanging off the network using some $130 ethernet cards, 8-bit, I think. On the PC side we use the PD NCSA Telnet package, which lets us have multiple sessions on the NeXT from the PC, FTP transfer, and printing from PC to NeXT of text files. No ethernet booting is possible here with out setup. The Western Digital and 3com cards are among many that are supported with this package. Our cards are some no-name brand from a local store that appear to work fine. Trey tybrin4!trey@sci34hub.sci.com -- Trey McClendon, Madison, AL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (captain) Subject: For Sale: Maxtor LXT8380S 330meg Hard Drive Message-ID: <s8T41B1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 04:27:03 GMT Howdy, I have one FH Maxtor LXT8380S 330meg Hard Drive for sale. It has seen moderate use, but is without warranty. It was used in a 68030 NeXT Cube and now needs a new hom because I need a bigger Hard Drive. I am asking $450.00. I will ship 2day COD Federal Expres and pay shipping charges. If you are interested, please contact me by e-mail or voice. I will include documentation for setting SCSI ID jumpers, etc. Thanks! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <1993Mar28.050906.23730@digifix!uunet.ca> Sender: sanguish@digifix!uunet.ca Organization: Digital Fix Development References: <1993Mar27.043347.19730@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 05:09:06 GMT Nathan F. Janette writes > In article <1oum1a$4pq@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert > Nicholson) writes: > > Can do they compare with the Eizo Flexican T range? Do they sell them > > in the US? I don't think you can beat a Eizo T660i-t > > The US name for that company is Nanao, and I agree they are the best I've > had the pleasure of using. I agree totally with Nathan. The Nanao T560i is FANTASTIC! Very sharp, and has multiple inputs and lots of other goodies. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <1993Mar27.164850.3193@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Mar27.144207.26762@pellns.alleg.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 16:48:50 GMT In article <1993Mar27.144207.26762@pellns.alleg.edu> jhalchin@reis6 (Judy Halchin) writes: > If you're planning to put an Adaptec card into an Intel GX Professional, > be warned that there may be a size problem with the Adaptec 1542B. When > we tried it, the card was just a little bit too long to fit into the > machine. We finally made it fit by shaving an eighth of an inch off the > end of the card, but it's a very tight fit. Perhaps the 1540B is shorter. The Adaptec 1542B is discontinued, having been superceded by the 1542C, which is slightly faster and is configured in software rather than by means of jumpers. I don't know whether its size has changed. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: NeXT 21" color monitor on 486? Message-ID: <93Mar28.174714.33925@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 93 17:47:14 GMT Distribution: na References: <1993Mar17.204159.13082@netcom.com> <Mar.18.01.00.54.1993.5092@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > > Anyone know if you can use a NeXT 21" color monitor with a 486? > > Assume I have a "standard" accelerated local bus video card, do > > I need a special cable or is it hopeless? > I would be interested in the answer to this too! Would some one > who know please post an answer to the net. Given that the 21", like all other NeXT monitors, is not a multisync monitor, it wouldn't be easy. We tried using one on a DELL DE/2 DGX box because: - The DELL running 1120 x 832 has a scan rate REALLY close to the NeXTstation Color - We haven't got another monitor kicking around that will handle the video! (NEC monitors seem to be back ordered really badly) Even so, it means that you can't see what's happening when the machine initially boots up and does system diagnostics etc... if it seems to be having trouble booting you hook up another monitor. And the scan rate isn't exactly the same, the top half of the screen is bent and jitters pretty badly. To sum up: Don't bother. -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <1993Mar28.181833.21985@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1993Mar27.164850.3193@bluerose.com> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 28 Mar 93 18:18:33 GMT In article <1993Mar27.164850.3193@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: > >The Adaptec 1542B is discontinued, having been superceded by the 1542C, >which is slightly faster and is configured in software rather than by >means of jumpers. I don't know whether its size has changed. > So the only option for use with NeXT's CD-ROM drive for the beta program has been discontinued? The latest info I've seen said the 1542C was *not* supported. One has to buy a discontinued card to use a discontinued CD-ROM drive. This is getting a little out of hand... It's getting down to the wire on this driver stuff. I hope we see a flurry of drivers being announced *soon*. Release date is only 2 months away. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NeXTmail Accepted!) NeXT Registered Developer #1031 Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: jimu@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au (James Uther) Subject: PEN-NeXTSTEP?? Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 05:23:21 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar29.052321.16112@cs.su.oz.au> Sender: news@cs.su.oz.au (News) Some months ago I was hearing promising and exciting rumblings about a pen based machine and os from NeXT and Canon. I even heard that they were only really waiting on a good screen before shipping. What happened to all that? Do we get a competitor for pen-windows or does that marked slip out of NeXTs hands as well? j
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ADB keyboards Date: 29 Mar 1993 05:49:32 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1p62lcINNj5l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi, I'm just considering geting a ADB keyboard to use with my NeXT and was wondering if anyone had used non-NeXT keyboards with their nexts and how do they find them? Also has anyone hooked up one of the new apple split keyboards up? does the power up sound etc keys work on the NeXT? thanks john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: oliver@sphinx.gun.de (Oliver Bonk) Subject: NeXT-Dimension Boards in Europe Message-ID: <1993Mar28.213418.901@sphinx.gun.de> Keywords: NeXT-Dimension Sender: oliver@sphinx.gun.de (Oliver Bonk) Organization: Oliver's ColorStation Date: Sun, 28 Mar 93 21:34:18 GMT Hi! What will I have to do to use a ND-Board from the States in Germany? Will it work correctly or do I have to replace something? Thanks Oliver -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * NeXTmail welcome oliver@sphinx.gun.de (Oliver Bonk) Oliver Bonk Kaarst Germany * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: alberto@parsec.mixcom.com (Alberto Ricart) Subject: Re: ZyXEL U1496E Modem settings Message-ID: <1993Mar27.232338.1002@parsec.mixcom.com> Organization: SmartSoft, Inc. References: <1993Mar26.222819.222@parsec.mixcom.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 23:23:38 GMT In article <1993Mar26.222819.222@parsec.mixcom.com> alberto@parsec.uucp writes: >Hi, > >I was wondering if anyone had a configuration file for the >ZyXEL U1496E, I just got one, and it seem to drop the line >often. > >If you have a working config (at&v0) that you'd like to share >please email me away! > >Thanks, > > >--- >Manuel Alberto Ricart >alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome> >-- >Manuel Alberto Ricart >alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome> Thanks to all who replied. For those that may be interested: Current Settings............ B0 E1 L1 M1 N5 Q0 V1 X5 &B1 &C1 &D3 &G0 &H3 &J0 &K4 &L0 &M0 &N0 &P0 &R1 &S0 &X0 &Y1 *B0 *C0 *D0 *E0 *F0 *G0 *I0 *L0 *M1 *P9 *Q2 *S0 S00=001 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=003 S07=060 S08=002 S09=006 S10=007 S11=070 S12=000 S13=000 S14=003 S15=000 S16=000 S17=018 S18=002 S19=000 S20=007 S21=242 S22=000 S23=105 S24=042 S25=000 S26=000 S27=156 S28=068 S29=000 S30=000 S31=017 S32=019 S33=000 S34=030 S35=000 S36=000 S37=000 S38=008 S39=000 S40=017 S41=000 S42=008 S43=000 S44=000 S45=100 S46=028 S47=000 S48=000 S49=000 OK -- Manuel Alberto Ricart alberto@parsec.mixcom.com <NeXTMail Welcome>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: death@kira.net.netcom.com (David John Burrowes) Subject: Tecor --- do theystill exist Message-ID: <1993Mar27.162948.647@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: death@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 16:29:48 GMT I tried calling Tecor (the peripherals, etc, company) this week at the 800 and 408 numbers listed in the back of the most recent NeXTWORLD magazines. Both numbers reported that they were no longer connected. Has the company gone under, or have they just moved somewhere? \david john burrowes death@kira.net.netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: death@kira.net.netcom.com (David John Burrowes) Subject: Screws for cubes (looking for) Message-ID: <1993Mar27.163243.709@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: death@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 16:32:43 GMT I am looking for a source where I can buy those screws in the NeXT cube computer (that one uses the 3mm hex wrench for). My local computer store lost two of mine a while back, and has spent three months trying to locate new ones. If I can order them 'off the shelf' somewhere, I'd be delighted to... any ideas? \david john burrowes death@kira.net.netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: henry@research.nj.nec.com (Henry Cejtin) Subject: DAT drive Message-ID: <1993Mar29.051045.22464@research.nj.nec.com> Originator: henry@sting10 Sender: news@research.nj.nec.com Organization: NEC Research Institute Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 05:10:45 GMT Does any one have any experience using a DAT made (or sold) by APS Technology on the NeXT? It is sold as a Mac backup device and costs $1249. (Which seems like a good price to me, but if you know of something cheaper, I'd be more than glad to hear about it.)
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Tecor --- do theystill exist Date: 29 Mar 1993 10:55:35 -0500 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1p765nINN24h@systemix.com> References: <1993Mar27.162948.647@kira.net.netcom.com> In article <1993Mar27.162948.647@kira.net.netcom.com> death@kira.net.netcom.com (David John Burrowes) writes: >I tried calling Tecor (the peripherals, etc, company) this week at the 800 >and 408 numbers listed in the back of the most recent NeXTWORLD magazines. >Both numbers reported that they were no longer connected. Has the company >gone under, or have they just moved somewhere? > >\david john burrowes >death@kira.net.netcom.com > They'd better be dead. They owe me money. Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: billh@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu (William F. Humphrey) Subject: Re: ADB keyboards Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 15:46:09 GMT Message-ID: <C4nqGx.GFv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1p62lcINNj5l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana In article <1p62lcINNj5l@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: > Hi, I'm just considering geting a ADB keyboard to use with my NeXT and was > wondering if anyone had used non-NeXT keyboards with their nexts and how do they > find them? > > Also has anyone hooked up one of the new apple split keyboards up? does the power > up sound etc keys work on the NeXT? > > thanks > > john. I plugged in an Apple extended keyboard from an otherwise worthless Mac II we had in our research group, and it has been working just fine on my Turbo Color NeXTstation. The sound level keys, dimmer keys, power key, cursor keys, etc. are all available on the Apple keyboard. Also, the function keys Fn act as <Command-n>. I've also tried a Kensington trackball in the chain of input devices - seems to work fine. Bill Humphrey (billh@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu) (Beckman Institute - University of Illinois) (405 North Matthews) (Urbana, IL 61801)
From: sanchezp@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cancel <1993Mar29.165407.18795@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <1993Mar29.165954.18868@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Date: 29 Mar 93 16:59:54 GMT References: <1993Mar29.165407.18795@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Control: cancel <1993Mar29.165407.18795@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Sender: news@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu Distribution: na Organization: University of Arizona This message was cancelled from within rn.
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: DAT drive Date: 29 Mar 1993 12:53:24 -0500 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1p7d2kINNab@systemix.com> References: <1993Mar29.051045.22464@research.nj.nec.com> In article <1993Mar29.051045.22464@research.nj.nec.com> henry@research.nj.nec.com (Henry Cejtin) writes: >Does any one have any experience using a DAT made (or sold) by APS Technology >on the NeXT? It is sold as a Mac backup device and costs $1249. (Which >seems like a good price to me, but if you know of something cheaper, I'd be >more than glad to hear about it.) We've been using DAT drives that we bought from APS for more than a year now with no trouble at all. Quite of few of our customers are also using the Archive Python purchased from APS. They have excellent service and support. I highly recommend them as a good source for reasonably priced mass storage devices, including DAT drives. Cheers, Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
From: caj8106@shiner.tamu.edu (Curtis Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ADB Keyboards for PCs Date: 29 Mar 1993 18:36:35 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1p7fjjINNb4r@tamsun.tamu.edu> Since I plan on running NS/FIP I really don't want to buy one of the terrible keyboards that one usually gets when buying one for an intel machine. Does anyone know if there is an ADB card for intel machines or if there is a way that I can hook up a Mac keyboard to a PC. Curtis Johnson caj8106@shiner.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.markertplace From: dnp@phragmen.mit.edu (Dan Port) Subject: '040 cube and hhard drives for sale Message-ID: <1993Mar30.001730.27992@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 00:17:30 GMT Cube Route has the following for sale: - 68040 NeXT Cube, 16MB, 1.2GB Hard drive(internal), optical drive slightly used, excellent condition, all working $4500 OBO - ST4776N Seagate 766MB hard drive, new, can be made external best offer over $800 - ST4776N Seagate 766MB hard drive, refurbished best offer over $650 - ST41200N Segate 1.2GB hard drive, used best offer over $900 - 1/2 height external case, new $100 - full height external case, new $150 - 3 full height external cases, refurbished $100 Call 1-800-CUBE-RTE 10AM-5PM PST or send e-mail bids to dnp@math.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: How to monitor serial port? Message-ID: <1993Mar29.173757.839@proforma.com> Keywords: serial Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: Pro Forma Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 17:37:57 GMT I have frequent failures of a uucp connection. Despite monitoring the LOGFILE and SYSLOG files, I am unable to determine what happened. I would like to watch what is received by, and sent by, the serial port in question. Is there some way to do this? I have NXFax software in charge of the port, but I would hope that there is some lower-level trick to ignore all the locking and etc, and just look at bits like you could on the wire. I have used a Mac with a comm program for this in the past, but the new cable for the modem doesn't go through my patch panel (where I used to pull off the GND and TXD or RXD lines), so I wonder if there is a way to do it from a terminal window right on the NeXT. Thanks in advance, --J Gregory
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Powering up NeXT's without monitors/keyboards Date: 30 Mar 1993 03:42:45 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1p8fjlINNmre@clem.handheld.com> References: <tilley.733207946@tilley> In article <tilley.733207946@tilley> tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca () writes: > frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) writes: > > >In article <C43sxM.CH2.2@cs.cmu.edu> writes: > >> > >> Is it possible to turn on a cube or monochrome station without using > >> a monitor/keyboard? > > >> ... > > > ... > >But beware, some of the really old cubes' powersupplies didn't like it if no > >load was connected. > > >As to booting, the NeXT should automatically boot after applying power. > > >Booting from a serial port is done from the /etc/ttys file. Check the entry for > >the console, it has entries for both NeXTstep and terminal booting. (At least > >mine does.) > > That change gets rid of the WindowServer. > This is a good idea unless you have a NextPrinter attached. > In the latter case you need to let the WindowServer run. > As soon as that English lady tries to speak, your next will panic. > I can't say that I blame it. Attaching a sound box should cure this. It will, but removing the ladie's .snd files will also work, and only result in console file errors entries. > -- > ... Richard <tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca> NextMail OK. -- Jim De Arras | The opinions expressed herein are Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand 804.784.3090 voice | Held Products, Inc., and may not 804.784.3147 FAX | even be mine. Use at your own risk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: root@descartes.infospan.com. (Max Tardiveau) Subject: Maxtor RXT-800 HS WORM drive Message-ID: <C4ooJq.HB2@riverside.mr.net> Sender: news@riverside.mr.net (MRNet USENET News) Organization: Minnesota Regional Network Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 04:02:14 GMT Has anyone had any chance with this beast ? When I try to format it, I get the answer : # disk /dev/rsd2a NOTE: This device's block size (2048) is too big to coerce to DEV_BSIZE (1024). You won't be able to use it with software versions earlier than Release 3.0. MAXTOR RXT-800HS: unknown disk name I can get rid of the block size problem with the -f option of disk, but what does the last message mean ? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Max Tardiveau (infospan@infospan.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Re: ADB Keyboards for PCs Message-ID: <1993Mar30.005405.10301@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) References: <1p7fjjINNb4r@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 00:54:05 GMT In article <1p7fjjINNb4r@tamsun.tamu.edu> caj8106@shiner.tamu.edu (Curtis Johnson) writes: > Since I plan on running NS/FIP I really don't want to buy one of the > terrible keyboards that one usually gets when buying one for an intel > machine. Does anyone know if there is an ADB card for intel machines or > if there is a way that I can hook up a Mac keyboard to a PC. > > Curtis Johnson > caj8106@shiner.tamu.edu I wish. There are actually some nice 3rd party keyboards around for PCs, cost less than $100, but yeah, you still have to throw away the default and buy a new one. I've never seen anything as nice as the Apple ones, and if anyone finds a solution, please shout! I'm 99% certain there are no ADB cards for a PC. You might get some converter doo-hickey that goes on the ADB "plug" and turns it into an AT style keyboard, but I doubt it. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <1993Mar29.121810.8573@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Mar28.181833.21985@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 12:18:10 GMT In article <1993Mar28.181833.21985@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: > In article <1993Mar27.164850.3193@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com > (M Carling) writes: > > > >The Adaptec 1542B is discontinued, having been superceded by the 1542C, > >which is slightly faster and is configured in software rather than by > >means of jumpers. I don't know whether its size has changed. > > > > So the only option for use with NeXT's CD-ROM drive for the beta program > has been discontinued? The latest info I've seen said the 1542C was *not* > supported. One has to buy a discontinued card to use a discontinued > CD-ROM drive. This is getting a little out of hand... > > It's getting down to the wire on this driver stuff. I hope we see > a flurry of drivers being announced *soon*. Release date is only 2 months > away. We won't see a flurry of new drivers until after the May 25th release. The Adaptec 1542C will be supported in PR2. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NeXT-Dimension Boards in Europe Message-ID: <1993Mar29.122020.8631@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Mar28.213418.901@sphinx.gun.de> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 12:20:20 GMT In article <1993Mar28.213418.901@sphinx.gun.de> oliver@sphinx.gun.de (Oliver Bonk) writes: > Hi! > > What will I have to do to use a ND-Board from the States in Germany? > Will it work correctly or do I have to replace something? Conversion of an NTSC dimension board to PAL requires several changes. NeXT's service department can do this for you. While they still have one. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: grio@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Daniel L Grillo) Subject: Re: MODEMS-HELP! Message-ID: <C4p4E8.Bvt@cs.psu.edu> Sender: news@cs.psu.edu (Usenet) Organization: Penn State Computer Science References: <1ota9q$iq6@hamblin.math.byu.edu> <1993Mar26.023754.2850@bluerose.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 09:44:31 GMT In article <1993Mar26.023754.2850@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >In article <1ota9q$iq6@hamblin.math.byu.edu> bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu >(Bill Smith) writes: >> I need to spend some grant money right away on some hardware and >> I need a modem, fast and will run on plain old telephone lines. Fax >> capability nice but not a requirement. I could spend around >> $700.00 if needed - more if there is a compelling reason. What's the >fastest, >> best, that will work on a NeXTstation or 040 cube? THanks, > >I use and would suggest a Telebit WorldBlazer. About $700 from Gotham >Users of the NeXT. Try sending mail to info@gun.com. Or pay half that and get a better modem, a ZyXEL u1496E. Even does fax. Try sending mail to Eagle via pyrros@cis.udel.edu --Dan -- Dan Grillo grio@cs.psu.edu [NeXTmail, PrivateMail, MIME welcome]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu (Chris Osborn) Subject: Broken Slab. Don't work Message-ID: <C4oFKz.9n@nvcc.uucp> Organization: Napa Valley College Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 00:48:34 GMT Can anyone tell me what is wrong with a Monochrome (Non-Turbo) slab we have, and what would be required to fix it? The symptoms: When it gets a power cord attached, whether or not a monitor cable is connected, the computer turns on. The fan spins and the hard drive spins up. A little LED near the battery will flash 4 times, the pause, then repeat. A vertical pattern of on and off bars appears on the monitor (when it is connected), with the brightness near minimum. If a fresh battery is installed, it will completely drain it within 15-20 minutes. After all the problems we've had with Franciscan Shops, I hate to send it to them *again*, with out knowing exactly what is wrong with it. Thanks. -- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 fozztexx%nvcc.uucp@groucho.sonoma.edu fozztexx@groucho.sonoma.edu NeXTMail ok at both
From: yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu (Yadin Y. Goldschmidt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: hard drives Message-ID: <7226@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 30 Mar 93 17:33:35 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu I am having some problems with an external 1 GB DEC 3105 drive connected to a NeXTStation. It seems to work fine, but every so often fsck reports a corrupt file system on this drive even though it is never shut down. Did anybody else have these problems and know how to fix them? I am considering to get instead an HP C2247 drive. Did anybody have a good experience with this one? Thanks in advance, Yadin. yygold@yadin.phyast.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: Noisy Optical Drive Message-ID: <1993Mar30.183011.260@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 18:30:11 GMT Phew! My Optical Drive had been getting cranky in the last few months, and finally stopped reading discs at all. Desperate, I used the procedure for cleaning the drive that was posted by Stacy D. Coil a few weeks ago, and it worked. Many thanks to him. My question is this: My Optical Drive still makes a bit more noise than I would like. It has always been just this noisy, and it does not really bother me, but I'm a bit envious of others whose OD's make nice "sshook" sounds instead of the "ccchunk" sounds that mine makes. (I apologize, but that's the best way that I can describe it). Does anyone know what, if anything can be done (cleaning, lubrication?) to quiet the drive? Matthew --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mmo@sydney.bo.open.de (Michael Mossal) Subject: Serial Port Driver Chip Message-ID: <1993Mar29.222753.419@sydney.bo.open.de> Sender: mmo@sydney.bo.open.de Organization: NeXT Cube, Bochum, Germany Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 22:27:53 GMT Hello, I am searching for a Line Driver IC from a NeXT Cube. The Chip is defined by the letters: FIL-MAG, 232109SM, TWN 9110. Because these Chip is burned in my Cube, one of the Seriel Ports do not work. Can anybody tell me were I can order it? -- Ciao mmo fido: 2:245/5800.6 email: mmo@sydney.bo.open.de (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hketola@agsm.ucla.edu (Heikki Ketola) Subject: TECOR -yes, they are out of business... Message-ID: <hketola.733512844@uclagsm> Date: 30 Mar 93 09:39:48 PST TECOR is in Chapter 7. I spoke with Steve Hurwitz (owner of TECOR) yesterday, and he confirmed this to me. TECOR owes me money too, and Steve advised me to contact the lawyer who takes care of this case. Email me if you need the contact info for the lawyer. Steve is a really nice guy, and the economics of dealing with NeXT got him, I guess. I bought some stuff from Steve over the years, and I always liked the service and prices I got.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu (Jack &) Subject: Seagate 250 information needed Message-ID: <1993Mar31.002455.25978@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: California State University, Sacramento Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 00:24:55 GMT I just replaced the 250 Mb Seagate that was in my (recently purchased) color station. I got an enclosure so that I can use the smaller disk externally, however, I do not have any specs on the jumper assignments on the seagate to hook up to the external led or SCSI address stuff in the new box. Does anyone have information that they could jot down for me. The ones for the SCSI addressing are pretty obvious because they still have the jumpers on them, but I have no idea which set is for the external led lights. I will have to contact the external box manufacturer to figure out which side of their jumpers gets connected, as the connectors are uniform on both sides. Any help would be appreciated. Jack Hodges, San Francisco State University
From: strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HELP HELP optical still not mount!!! Date: 31 Mar 93 00:57:21 GMT Organization: University of Washington Distribution: na Message-ID: <strobel.733539441@dirac> Summary: optical still not mount after valiant attempts Keywords: optical mount super-block HELP HELP HELP Help! I cannot get an optical disk filled with research data/programs to mount! In the console I get this error: od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 8 phys block 63448 (8114:0:8). Here's what I've tried: Block 8 is a super-block. Using fsck with the alternate super-block 16 brings up a number of blocks above block #151264 that it cannot read. After responding yes to all of the proposed changes fsck suggested (what else could I do?) it indicated the number of files used and free (at end of phase 5). It then said that it could not write to block 8. Repeated attempts with fsck turned up the same blocks not being read. The OD still will not mount and I cannot access any of the files. Is there a way to tell the mount command to use a different super-block? Is there any way I can repair block 8 phys block 63448? Please, please let me know!! I have cleaned the OD and the OD drive and filter. I have also tried what some people suggested: mounting the OD as read only then remounting it as read-write. It tries to read block 8, fails, and will not mount with any of the IO options. Is there anyway I can get the mount command to use alternate super-blocks? I need to get it mounted before I can attempt to copy over any files. Anybody have any other ideas? Nick Strobel strobel@dirac.phys.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) Subject: laptops and docking stations? Message-ID: <1993Mar29.011703.2007@cs.umb.edu> Sender: news@cs.umb.edu (netnews) Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 01:17:03 GMT Does anyone know if NeXTSTEP/FIP supports docking stations so that you can use a notebook with a graphics card for a 17" screen? I'd love a laptop with built in 640x480, but I'll have to get a desktop machine if I can't get the notebook to work at at least 800 x 600 on an external monitor. Thanks! -- This is a test.
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: BenaTong announces PowerGuardian for NeXTSTEP Message-ID: <7245@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 31 Mar 93 16:39:20 GMT Sender: news@NeXT.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Victoria Tong, BenaTong EMAIL:benatong@cypher.cmhnet.org PHONE: (614) 276-7859 FAX:(614) 276-7859 (auto-switch) Availability: April 1, 1993 Pricing: $149.95 per UPS - cable included BenaTong announces PowerGuardian(tm) for NeXTSTEP: Monitors Uninterruptable Power Supplies and Performs Orderly System Shutdown. Works with American Power Conversion's Smart-UPS, Back-UPS, and network PowerCell. Columbus, OH, March 22, 19931 - BenaTong, today announced PowerGuardian(tm), an application which provides network wide monitoring and control of American Power Conversion (APC) Uninterruptable Power Supplies (UPS). PowerGuardian(tm) takes full advantage of NeXTSTEP's Distributed objects to allow multiple clients to monitor a variety of UPS parameters and capacities of any UPS on the network. During power failure conditions, the protected machine is shut down at user specified time and/or battery capacity levels. Complete notification is given to network users when the UPS switches to battery, when shutdown is imminent, or when line power is restored. All shutdown and notification levels are determined by the user and are completely configurable. Event logging and UPS testing are performed to the users specifications. BenaTong, based in Columbus Ohio, is a consulting firm that specializes in providing commercial applications and custom software for computers running NeXTSTEP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: goli@plains (Venkata Nagarjuna Rao Goli) Subject: POSTGRES DBMS on NeXT Sender: usenet@ns1.nodak.edu (Usenet login) Message-ID: <C4rLLL.DL1@ns1.nodak.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 17:51:21 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Hello Friends, is there any body who installed POSTGRES database management system on NeXT machines? I tried to install it on my NeXT but came to know that POSTGRES needs shared memory and NeXT don't support that. Do you know how to fix this problem. I have Release 2.0 on my NeXT. Please email me. My problem is that I need to write the following lines, to support the shared memory for POSTGRES, in the /usr/sys/conf or kernel configuration file to install POSTGRES. What do you suggest me to do?? In the POSTGRES manual they suggested to add these lines for a sun sparc kernel configuration file. options IPCMESSAGE options IPCSEMAPHORE options IPCSHMEM options EMOREIPCS These are all for the System V IPC ... facility. What are the compatible and equivalent files and commands in NeXT??? Thanks in advance, (GOLI)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Is NeXT temporarily "out of order" (or, can you buy anything NeXT?) Message-ID: <1993Mar31.185438.14405@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 18:54:38 GMT With NeXT leaving the hardware business, are there any avenues to getting a box and NeXTstep aside of buying a used cube or slab? It would seem if NeXT isnt shipping NS486 Beta and it isnt making new machines through June when NS486 can ship in volume, that earnings for CY93Q2 would be severely minimal (NeXT would have sold 17.5Kboxes at a 70,000/yr rate.) If the Beta kit is available (ala Windows NT), who would one contact to purchase it? Thanks, -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: root@azetsys.uucp (Operator) Subject: Battery life, Replacement? Message-ID: <1993Mar31.202216.276@azetsys.uucp> Organization: CleverLever Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 20:22:16 GMT Hi, Normaly I turn off my NeXT after daily use, and wonder whether this will decrease battery life, since there is no more hardware, prompt replacement could be a problem. My question: Is the battery which is used to keep the ROM alive a standard "off-the shelf" item widely available, or it is only available via special order from where? I was thinking getting an extra one and keep it in the freezer, just in case. Please advise, Geza.. -- Geza Fekete azetsys!aprop@uunet.UU.NET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: death@kira.net.netcom.com (David John Burrowes) Subject: `Low-level' formatting of a DEC 3105 drive Message-ID: <1993Mar30.042715.722@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: death@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 04:27:15 GMT I bought one of those 3.5" DEC gigabyte drives about a year ago. However, I never recieved any tools to do `low-level'* reformatting. The company suggested a couple times that I should already have or could get the software, but never delivered it. Do you have one of these drives? Do you have the software to reformat the beastie? If so, can you tell me where it came from so I can seek out a copy? (If you got yours from tecor, maybe just send me a copy, as they're the ones that never delivered mine) Thanks in advance \david john burrowes * by `low level' I (perhaps incorrectly) mean to be able to basically start from scratch, change between 512 and 1K block sizes, etc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gbraven@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gary Baird Raven) Subject: Help please, Quantum ProDrive LPS 525S into NeXTstation. Message-ID: <1993Apr1.042622.7442@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 04:26:22 GMT To any who can help: I have recently purchased a used NeXTstation. I am in the process of upgrading the machine and would like any help that I could get. My first problem: I have an original NeXTstation with a 100Meg quantum dirve. I would like to replace this drive with a new Quantum 525 Meg drive (to be installed internally) {model Pro Drive LPS 525S}. Has anyone used this drive? If so could you tell me: 1. The appropriate jumper settings. 2. How to build it from a NeXT CDROM drive with NeXT 3.0. 3. Are their any problems with installing this drive internally? Thanks in advance for any advice. Please send suggestions to: gbraven@leland.stanford.edu Thanks, Gary
From: george@unixg.ubc.ca (George Chow) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Do Quadra 950 4MB SIMMs fit a 'station classic Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 1 Apr 1993 07:23:35 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pe59nINNis0@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> Howdy, I have a line on some fairly cheap 4Mb SIMM from a Quadra 950. I haven't followed the Mac line for a while so I'm not sure if they will fit my NeXTstation classic (25Mhz, old memory bus). Can anyone up on the Mac and the NeXT clarify this? George
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Joseph R. Grace <JGrace@TetraSoft.com> Subject: Can NS/I Local-Bus take monochrome? Message-ID: <1993Mar31.224405.6706@tetrasoft.com> Sender: Joe@tetrasoft.com Organization: TetraSoft International Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 22:44:05 GMT Hi, according to the NS/I 3/8/93 Hardware Compatibility Guide, none of the local-bus configurations support monchrome! Is this true --- or can the local-bus machines be configured for monochrome *only* (i.e., no color screen and not enough VRAM for full color)? On a related note, are there any good (quality and value) monochrome screens for (800 x 600) and (1024 x 768) resolutions? (And what ever happened to (1120 x 832) resolution for monochrome?) Thanks, = Joe = -- Joe Grace <JGrace@TetraSoft.com> (e-mail and NeXT-Mail accepted.) #include <StandardDisclaimer.h> TetraSoft International Business and Personal Productivity NeXTSTEP Apps.
Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.next.hardware From: rob@polestar.facl.mcgill.ca (Robert Macfarlane) Subject: VL-Bus SCSI controllers? Message-ID: <1993Apr1.140224.18230@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Followup-To: comp.periphs.scsi Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 14:02:24 GMT Does anyone know if any companies have announced plans for VL-Bus SCSI controllers? Rob Macfarlane Faculty of Arts Computer Lab McGill University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hac@nexus.inesc.pt (Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro) Subject: Resolution on a VGA monitor : how to change it ? Message-ID: <HAC.93Apr1165744@nexus.inesc.pt> Sender: usenet@inesc.pt (USENET News System) Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL Distribution: comp Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 16:57:44 GMT Hi NeXT'ers, Does any of you how to change the resolution on a VGA monitor? I'm currently running NS486 on a VGA monitor (1024x768) but I can't change NextStep to make use of that. And also I do I make it use color instead BW ? thanks in advance, -- Hugo Andrade Cartaxeiro @ INESC [Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores] CCAE [Centro de Comunicacoes em Ambientes Empresariais] Avenida Duque d'Avila 23, 1000 Lisboa, -PORTUGAL. Phone.: +351 1 3100070 Fax.: +351 1 3100008 e-mail: hac@inesc.pt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Alternate ADB Mice/Trackballs???? Message-ID: <C4toA1.1Js@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 20:44:25 GMT As soon as I find a good replacement, this mouse is going into the MTS compression machine (CRUNCH!). It's driving me nuts! The kicker is that it's as clean as a whistle inside - it just sucks! So anyway, anyone out there using other ADB mice and/or trackballs? I used to used the kensington trackball on a mac and liked it alot; anyone used it on a NeXT (ADB)? Thanks, Eric -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Battery life, Replacement? Message-ID: <4anI027m3dWe01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 1 Apr 93 17:12:45 GMT References: <1993Mar31.202216.276@azetsys.uucp> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA In article <1993Mar31.202216.276@azetsys.uucp>, root@azetsys.uucp (Operator) writes: > > Hi, > > Normaly I turn off my NeXT after daily use, and wonder >whether this will decrease battery life, since there is no more >hardware, prompt replacement could be a problem. > My question: Is the battery which is used to keep the ROM >alive a standard "off-the shelf" item widely available, or it is >only available via special order from where? I was thinking >getting an extra one and keep it in the freezer, just in case. > > Please advise, Geza.. Since the battery is removable, replacement shouldn't be a problem. Even if you can't find the exact one (I'm sure you can) getting one similar with the same voltage should work with no problem. > >-- >Geza Fekete azetsys!aprop@uunet.UU.NET -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: Setting up a printer for use by other NeXT machines. Message-ID: <1993Apr1.223351.8737@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 22:33:51 GMT Ok, feeling braindead here. I am TRYING to setup a printer, it's a NeXT 400 DPI Laser hooked up to my NeXTStation, so that it may be used by other NeXT machines on our network. I tried to use the PrintManager and make it a public printer. But it keeps asking me to set the domain. If I hit the SET DOMAIN button, all I get is a box with "/" in it, nothing else under that domain. If I just say OK, then OK, it says it can't export the printer to the local machine. Do I have to setup a domain for each NeXT on the network? If so, how do I setup a domain? ARGH! Like I said, I am feeling braindead here. It should be simple, right???? -- ********************************************************************* * John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * * Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * *********************************************************************
From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,andi.misc Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Keywords: ANDI,Intel,Adaptec,GX,SCSI Message-ID: <C4t3oG.E0r@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: 1 Apr 93 13:19:27 GMT References: <C4IBD2.H7E@ms.uky.edu> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International A couple of items: We have the Adaptec 1542B installed in one the EISA slots. It fits fine in either EISA slot. We have not tried it in the ISA slot and this must be where the form factor is the problem. We will see if our card will fit in there. A side note of importance: If you use an IDE drive taller than 1 inch high you will block the ISA slot completely. If you don't use that slot you can use IDE/SCSI drives taller than 1 inch. We will be building a GX system with an internal SCSI using the Adaptec and DPT cards to make sure this will work. By putting a 50 pin SCSI cable on the internal connector on the Adaptec to a SCSI drive mounted where the IDE goes we encountered no physical problems (again, this may possibly eliminate the use of the ISA slot). We are getting the latest DPT SCSI controller and will install it in the GX. We have been told by one vendor that they have not had any problems with the NeXT CD ROM and the DPT Card. More details to follow. We are working on getting the SCSI driver written for the Adaptec 6260 on the mother board and should be able to announce something next week. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,andi.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: How important is black hardware Message-ID: <C4t7EG.En0@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI,NeXTYSTEP,Intel,486,black Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 14:39:52 GMT ANDI is conducting a survey for several vendors who are considering offering black and beige products. We need your responses today. The questions are: 1. Will black influence your purchase? Y or N 2. How much more would you pay? (round to nearest $25) a. for desktop and/or tower case b. for peripheral cases such as hard drives c. for monitors 3. Would you buy a black system over beige if the systems have similar capabilities? Y or N 4. Would you buy a black system from a less well known company over a beige system from a more well known company if the two systems were similar? Y or N 5. Would you mix black and beige hardware? Y or N 6. How many 486 based systems do you plan to buy in 1993? --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,andi.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: thompson@netcom.com (Thompson) Subject: Re: How important is black hardware Message-ID: <thompsonC4uCBE.2vr@netcom.com> Keywords: ANDI,NeXTYSTEP,Intel,486,black Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <C4t7EG.En0@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 05:23:38 GMT In article <C4t7EG.En0@nextsrv1.andi.org> bill@nextsrv1.andi.org writes: >ANDI is conducting a survey for several vendors who are considering >offering black and beige products. We need your responses today. >The questions are: Crutchfield (a mail-order outfit based in Virginia that mostly sells stereo stuff) sells black Intel-based computers. They are fairly basic however, and I doubt they would run NS/FIP. But they're black... Eric >3. Would you buy a black system over beige if the systems have >similar capabilities? Y or N NC--No Contest!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hogan@boetius.rz-berlin.mpg.de (Kharim Hogan) Subject: How long can a NeXT Printer cable REALLY be??? Message-ID: <1993Apr2.054133.13579@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> Sender: news@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Date: Fri, 2 Apr 93 05:41:33 GMT Hi, We are needing to attach a NeXT laser printer to a NeXT that is about 40 feet away. Is there any way to do this? i.e. can one buy a cable that long or have one made somewhere or is this even possible? What's the longest length such a cable can be? FAQs say that the printer cable can't be longer than the one supplied by NeXT. Is this really the final word? Thanks, Kharim Hogan -- ************************************************************************* Kharim M. Hogan Systems Administrator hogan@music.mcgill.ca Faculty of Music, McGill University *************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Laptop NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Apr2.031906.1158@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 03:19:06 GMT I would like to get an impression from Beta testers on what it is like to run NS/FIP on a laptop/protable. In particular, will this be a good mobile solution for users in May. I realize that you can not give details about NS/FIP in Beta, I just want impressions. Thanks Wes Spears jspears@weston.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: matt@nightfly.uucp (Matt Emerson) Subject: alternative mice for non-ADB hardware Message-ID: <1993Apr2.051717.1762@nightfly.uucp> Followup-To: poster Organization: Matt's computer in Medina, Ohio Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 05:17:17 GMT I was sifting through a bunch of old files today, and I came across a picture of what seems to be a wiring diagram to hook up a Logitech bus mouse to the NeXT's mouse port. I'm dying to try it out, but I'd hate to buy a mouse, wire it up, and find that it doesn't work. If someone uses a non-NeXT, non-ADB mouse, please send me mail---I'll post a summary to the net. -matt -- Matt Emerson fmsystm!nightfly!matt or nightfly!matt@fmsystm.ncoast.org 412 E. Homestead St. / Medina, OH 44256-1763 / voice: +1 (216) 722-2077
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yoda@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Marc Guenther) Subject: IO Card for Cube Sender: news@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (News System) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 13:43:13 GMT Message-ID: <C4uzG2.AwM@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Hello, does anyone know if there is a I/O Card for a Cube ? Something, that you can use to control external hardware, for example to switch on the light or the toaster :) (like the userport in the C64) I think it wouldnt be too hard, to build something you can plug into the serial port, and has some I/O ports at the other end... Some ideas ? Thanks, Yoda
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yoda@cis.uni-muenchen.de (Marc Guenther) Subject: powering off monitor ONLY Sender: news@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (News System) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik der Universitaet Muenchen Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 14:07:32 GMT Message-ID: <C4v0KK.B48@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> Hello, just another question.... Has someone managed to switch off the monitor of a Cube without switching off the computer ? There are 2 +12V and 2 -12V connections from the computer to the monitor, I think, it would be enough to plug a switch in it ? I would like to use the keyboard while the monitor is switched off, so I probably shouldnt cut all 4 connections... Has anybody ever done this ? Yoda
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tnauer@iiic.ethz.ch (Thomas Nauer) Subject: HELP ! Fujitsu M 2511 A Message-ID: <1993Apr2.145125.19535@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Originator: tnauer@c17 Sender: news@neptune.inf.ethz.ch (Mr News) Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 14:51:25 GMT Hello, I've some trouble with the Fujitsu M2511A 3,5'' MO-Drive (Rev 0500). It can't initialize it cause of scsi status and sense key errors. Anyone out there with knowledge or a handmade disktab entry ???? Thanks for any help Thomas Thomas Nauer
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What's the best 486 system to buy now for NS/I? Date: 2 Apr 1993 14:16:31 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <1phhrv$rcp@umd5.umd.edu> Hi, I need to buy a 486 system for immediate use (Windoze). What's the best 486 system to buy now for NS/I? In particular, I'd like have 1280x1024x16 graphics, but no system seems to support that yet. The Dell DGX supports 1120x832x16, but it costs $4150 for a monitorless 16MB RAM, 320MB HD system. Plus, the DGX is not upgradable to a Pentium. The Gateway2000 4DX-66V only supports 1024x768x16, but is much cheaper (3K with a monitor and CD-ROM). An ATI Graphics Ultra Pro / VL-ISI based system seems ideal for me. The ATI will support 1280x1024x24, and VL systems are cheap and fast. One final question: what runs NS/I faster, a 50 MHz 486DX or a 66 MHz 486DX/2? Thanks very much, Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: beaucham@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (James Beauchamp) Subject: Re: What's the best 486 system to buy now for NS/I? Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 16:18:27 GMT Message-ID: <C4v6Mr.1M8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1phhrv$rcp@umd5.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: > I need to buy a 486 system for immediate use (Windoze). What's the best 486 >system to buy now for NS/I? In particular, I'd like have 1280x1024x16 >graphics, but no system seems to support that yet. The Dell >DGX supports 1120x832x16, but it costs $4150 for a monitorless 16MB >RAM, 320MB HD system. Plus, the DGX is not upgradable to a Pentium. >The Gateway2000 4DX-66V only supports 1024x768x16, but is much cheaper (3K with >a monitor and CD-ROM). > Which all goes to show that the $5000 NeXTStation was a hell of deal. Jim Beauchamp.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,alt.cd-rom From: otto@epr.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Subject: Hooking up Pioneer CD-ROM disc changers to NeXTs? Message-ID: <OTTO.93Apr2195701@epr.jyu.fi> Sender: otto@jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 17:57:01 GMT A few days back, I tried hooking up a fully loaded Pioneer DRM-610 CD-ROM changer onto my mono NeXTstation's SCSI bus. No go. The Pioneer is a single SCSI device with six LUNs, one for each of the discs in the pack. It seemed that the NeXT was trying each disc at a time (all were ISO-9660 format) and then getting somehow very confused about it all. I happen to know this same changer can be used in a Sun environment with minor kernel tweaking, what about the NeXT and NeXTstep 3.0? -- /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ /* Mail: Kauppakatu 1B18/SF-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N25.44E */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Finally! NeXT 21" Display lowdown. Message-ID: <93Apr02.200139.35686@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 93 20:01:39 GMT Distribution: na References: <Mar.22.23.10.58.1993.4715@gandalf.rutgers.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > Hi All, > > Rather than reply to a zillion people via E-mail I think it > would be better to post to the net... > > The 21" NeXT color display WILL work with the DELL DGX/JAWS > systems at the full regular resolution. You just need an r-g-b > cable with a sync on green. NeXT has written special drivers > to make your 21" work on the GDX system at 68hz. Although my 21" NeXT monitor syncs to the DELL DGX/JAWS box. IT DOES SO VERY BADLY. The top half of the display jitters unacceptably. > Now although the newer 21" displays can work at 68hz (non adb) > and 72hz (adb) they still are NOT multisync monitors. So right > now this is the safest route to success on an intel platform > (not to mention the only way to get a regular sized screen). Sure the DELL is the only box listed supporting 1120 x 832, but why is the NeXT monitor the only route to 21" display? The NEC 6FG should work just fine! > I hope that helps other 21" owners. I imagine the 17" > trinitron will work in the same way. Not sure about the fimi, > but than again I dont see why not since they all work at 68hz. > But the 21" has been tested successfully at NeXT. > > Later, John ---------------- BOGOSITY WARNING ---------------- While this is, strictly speaking, more or less true, there's one major problem: *** THE MONITOR WILL ONLY SYNC ONCE NEXTSTEP IS UP *** Ie: You can't see anything that's happening during install at 640 x 480, nor can you see the boot process, nor can you boot in single user mode, nor can you run anything but NeXTSTEP without switching monitors. -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ZyXEL Throughput not up to par Message-ID: <1993Apr2.164006.10156@gleap.jupnix.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 16:40:06 GMT Sender: clloyd@gleap.jupnix.com Organization: GiantLeap Software Hello, I friend and I each bought a ZyXEL U-1496E and both have 25MHz 040 NeXT's. We each went to great lengths to get the proper cable as well. We are both using NXFax. We set up our uucp configurations at the same time in the same way. We live < 1 mile from each other. Both have distinctive ring. etc. etc. In our L.sys file (and anywhere else we did this sort of thing), we specified 38400 bps. We have not been able to get an "effective baudrate" of over ~6800 bps (as per the uucp daily summary). This would indicate a 9600 baud connection. I would have thought we'd get at least 14400 bps. Anybody have a guess what we're doing wrong? My own theories: -Everything is configured properly, but our phone lines aren't good enough to establish faster connections. Since we both have "metro" lines, I believe we connect through a downtown switch station 35 mi away and this may be enough to hose us. I hope this is not the problem. -Or, we have something improperly configured. I have no idea what to look at to tell us what type of connection (ie. rate) is being established, or what its trying to establish. -- Charles Lloyd (713) 363-0887 | My right to swing my fist GiantLeap Software (713) 363-0936 (fax) | ends at your nose; Your right clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com | to smoke ends at *my* nose.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: Epson Progression NX? Message-ID: <1993Apr3.003953.7274@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park References: <1993Apr2.164006.10156@gleap.jupnix.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 00:39:53 GMT Hello all, I'm curious about the Epson NeXTSTEP ready machine, the Progression NX. Some kind person sent me email about it with a phone number to call, but due to circumstances "beyond my control" I had the message deleted before I could call. Anyone know anything about this machine? THANKS Robert de Lucca Johns Hopkins Univ rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Do some PC's take Turbo SIMMS? Date: 3 Apr 1993 02:00:09 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pir39$77e@menudo.uh.edu> I know little about memory SIMMS, so please help me out. I am taking out two 4M SIMMS from my NextStation Turbo (1 x 32, 72 pin low profile, 70 ns) because I am upgrading with two 8M SIMMS. Because this is a Univ. machine, it is most likely too bothersome for me to try and sell the 4M SIMMS (and Marco has offered to take them back in a trade but only if I pay a ridiculous price for their 8M SIMM). So, my question is: will these two 4M SIMMS be useful for a NS/I capable 486 PC that I am planning to buy later this year? Thanks. -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
From: dwestner@glenturret.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Good Hard Disc ??? Date: 3 Apr 1993 13:33:54 GMT Organization: Maths & C.S. Dept., Dundee University, Scotland, UK Message-ID: <1pk3o2$3fc@dux.dundee.ac.uk> Hi to all, As I am fed up with my 105MB Disc, I am seeking for a bigger one. A friend of mine who is staying in the states right now is going to buy me one there. Which is a good (and as I am a student, cheap) hard disc for use internally with a NeXT station ??? (I'm thinking about the 1 Gig HP disc). As I have no idea about prices and ways of purchase in the states could anybody tell me some good places and prices to buy a hard disc? Is it possible to get a student discount? Thanks a lot for helping me. I am going to post any suitable piece of information. Dominik Please send mail to: dwestner@mcs.dundee.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: Re: ZyXEL Throughput not up to par Message-ID: <1993Apr3.132903.20701@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. References: <1993Apr2.164006.10156@gleap.jupnix.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 13:29:03 GMT In article <1993Apr2.164006.10156@gleap.jupnix.com> clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) writes: > UUCP throughput problems NeXT uucp has a terrible throughput. Mainly because of the 64/3 window. Get Taylor UUCP. Configure it to do 2048/6 and try again. --Gerben -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: oliver@sphinx.gun.de (Oliver Bonk) Subject: Stationcover Message-ID: <1993Apr2.153633.1190@sphinx.gun.de> Sender: oliver@sphinx.gun.de (Oliver Bonk) Organization: Oliver's ColorStation Date: Fri, 2 Apr 93 15:36:33 GMT Hi ! I m looking for a Stationcover (mono or Color doesn t matter). The cover should be in good condition and (if possible) with the powerunit. Thanks bye Oliver -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * NeXTmail welcome oliver@sphinx.gun.de (Oliver Bonk) Oliver Bonk Kaarst Germany * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tabs@netcom.com (Network Account) Subject: Help - printer down under 3.0 Message-ID: <tabsC4xBo7.IqB@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Distribution: na Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 20:02:31 GMT Hi folks: I have a '040 cube which I recently upgraded to run Next Step 3.0. But my NeXT printer has stopped working and a panel comes up saying: "Some or all of the pages in your print request couldn't be printed" I have used both enscript and lpr and observed the same symptom. I looked at the /usr/adm/lpd-errs saw the following error messages: Apr 1 09:05:37 next1 Server:Local_Printer[230]: Driver class not set in printer entry Somehow, the entry must have gotten deleted (I think). How can I set the driver class? Please email your suggestions. Thanks a lot in advance. tabs (tabs@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: larry@owrlakh.wl.aecl.ca (Larry Gadallah) Subject: Re: Screws for cubes (looking for) Message-ID: <1993Apr3.225216.2089@cu23.crl.aecl.ca> Sender: news@cu23.crl.aecl.ca (USENET News System) Organization: AECL-Research References: <1993Mar27.163243.709@kira.net.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 22:52:16 GMT In article <1993Mar27.163243.709@kira.net.netcom.com> death@kira.net.netcom.com (David John Burrowes) writes: > I am looking for a source where I can buy those screws in the NeXT cube > computer (that one uses the 3mm hex wrench for). My local computer store > lost two of mine a while back, and has spent three months trying to locate > new ones. If I can order them 'off the shelf' somewhere, I'd be delighted > to... > > any ideas? > > \david john burrowes > death@kira.net.netcom.com I'd be interested too, I bought a used OD drive, sans screws, so me and my cube both have a few screws loose ;-) :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry Gadallah Amateur Radio VE4TCP Pinawa, Manitoba, Canada IP [44.135.114.9] larry@owrlakh.wl.aecl.ca Voice (204) 753-2300 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware From: schmidt@cogsci.uwo.ca (William Schmidt) Subject: WANTED: Seagate ST157N controller Organization: University of Western Ontario, London Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 00:06:41 GMT Message-ID: <1993Apr4.000641.4971@julian.uwo.ca> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) I am in need of the controller card portion of a Seagate ST157N hard disk. If you have had to ditch you hard disk because of stiction problems, then the controller card is still usable, and I am willing to buy it. If this applies to anyone out there, or if anyone knows where I can get a hold of such a controller, then please contact me. Just a reminder, that the ST157N is a SCSI 3.5" hard disk that has a capacity of about 54 meg. Thanks, Billy P.S. Thanks to rrush1@darwin.helios.nd.edu for an earlier reply, unfortunately mail that I try to send to you bouces.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tom@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Tom Arnow) Subject: Fix Optical Drives? Message-ID: <1993Apr4.003028.6526@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Sender: news@ringer.cs.utsa.edu Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 00:30:28 GMT Sorry if this has already been posted. Does anybody repair optical drives? Ours our slowly starting to go. Thanks Tom Arnow
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: aoki@madonna (Ken-ichiro Aoki) Subject: Cheapo printer recommendations wanted (NS3.0) Message-ID: <1993Apr3.153740.21860@mic.ucla.edu> Summary: printers for cheapsakes Keywords: jet printers Organization: Physics Department, UCLA Date: 3 Apr 93 15:37:39 PST I am interested in getting printer recommendations (or disrecommendations) for the home slab running NS3.0. Considering the cost/performance, the kind of printers I am thinking of are * Canon BJ 10 ~$250 ("up to 360dpi") and its relatives (If BJ5 works with NS3.0, ~$200.) * HP DeskJet 500 ~$370 (300dpi) and its relatives I have seen the HPDJ and I think the output is perfectly fine for non-professional home use. I would like to know if also the Canon BJ family is as good or if there are other printers that work with the NeXT's that are recommendable. In the order of importance * reliability * resolution * speed One thing not to be forgotten is that while HPDJ family has a PD driver, as far as I know, there is only a shareware driver for the CanonBJ family (Dots, $100 ?). So what's your experience? Email preferred (sorry about the header being a bit screwed up.) I think this is a topic that is of general interest so I will summarize if there are enough replies. -- ___Kenichiro Aoki (aoki@physics.ucla.edu) Physics Dept,UCLA,Ca,USA. (Please note that the From: field might be screwed up if you are replying.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) Subject: DEll DE2 GX system for NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr4.054127.3491@eps.com> Sender: steve@eps.com Organization: Electronic Publishing Services Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 05:41:27 GMT I am assuming that right now the best system for running NEXTSTEP for Intel is the DELL DE2 DGX system. Is this correct?. I received from NeXT the other day some information on compatible hardware and I noticed the DELL DGX was the only system that could run in 16bit color at 1120x832. Is this still the case? Is there that big a difference from 1024x768 to 1120x832? By the time NSI ships hopefully at the NeXTWorld convention will there be something better out there??. Last thing what does Dell want for a DGX system with lets say 64mb ram 600 - 1gig hd (eisa scsii), 17" or 19" color monitor?? Does anyone know if the DGX will be upgradeable to the Pentium chip? I know this sounds like alot of questions, but there so much confusion going on right now with NeXT!! Thanks Steven Kornreich email steve@eps.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: NS/Intel Video Reports Message-ID: <1993Apr4.133625.25766@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 13:36:25 GMT Hello all, By now I imagine several people have tested NS/I beta versions. Without describing the sw as such, can someone let us know how the video is on some of these systems? For example in NextWorld D. Lavin reports that an Epson Progression is producing 800X600 resolution. Surely this is unacceptable? And he doesn't say whether one can add more VRAM to increase resolution, nor whether one can have 1078X760 or whatever in grayscale with the tested configuration. Has anyone had experience with the higher resolutions with an Intel machine? The interface elements, in my opinion, are a little too big on my Next Turbo! In your educated opinions, will be be able to match, by the Summer, the NeXT native resolution, without spending $7000 plus on a Dell Jaws machine? Any info appreciated. Robert de Lucca Johns Hopkins Univ. email rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu (Nextmail too)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: ZyXEL Throughput not up to par Message-ID: <1993Apr4.102657.917@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <1993Apr3.132903.20701@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 10:26:57 GMT In article <1993Apr3.132903.20701@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl writes: > In article <1993Apr2.164006.10156@gleap.jupnix.com> clloyd@gleap (Charles C. > Lloyd) writes: > > > UUCP throughput problems > > NeXT uucp has a terrible throughput. Mainly because of the 64/3 window. > > Get Taylor UUCP. Configure it to do 2048/6 and try again. > > --Gerben > -- > Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 > "If you don't know where you are going, any road will > take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in > Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland". Or, configure your uucp connection to use PAD instead of DIR or ACU. THis will result in you using f protocol instead of g, so uucp won't look for checksums every 64 bytes. Since you have error-correcting/detecting modems, it should work fine. UUCP will only look for a checksum at the end of each packet, which can be as big as you send (3MB+) One thing to watch out for is that f protocol is only 7-bit clean, so you can't send compressed data via this connection. But then again, ZyXEL's compress data as they send it.... -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-3344 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: Hooking up Pioneer CD-ROM disc changers to NeXTs? Message-ID: <1993Apr4.103209.977@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <OTTO.93Apr2195701@epr.jyu.fi> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 10:32:09 GMT In article <OTTO.93Apr2195701@epr.jyu.fi> otto@epr.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes: > A few days back, I tried hooking up a fully loaded Pioneer DRM-610 CD-ROM > changer onto my mono NeXTstation's SCSI bus. No go. The Pioneer is a > single SCSI device with six LUNs, one for each of the discs in the pack. > It seemed that the NeXT was trying each disc at a time (all were ISO-9660 > format) and then getting somehow very confused about it all. I happen > to know this same changer can be used in a Sun environment with minor > kernel tweaking, what about the NeXT and NeXTstep 3.0? > -- > /* * * Otto J. Makela <otto@jyu.fi> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ > /* Phone: +358 41 613 847, BBS: +358 41 211 562 (V.32bis/USR-HST,24h/d) */ > /* Mail: Kauppakatu 1B18/SF-40100 Jyvaskyla/Finland, ICBM: 62.14N25.44E */ > /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */ There are a couple of problems with NS and this drive. One is caused by the Workspace Preferences option that opens a new window for each removable disk that it encounters. THe Pioneer appears as 6 removable disks, and NS mounts all six, and tries to open a file viewer for each as well. THat requires 12 reads/swaps, at 5 seconds apiece, so usually platter 6 doesn't get recognized, because of SCSI timeout. When you finally get some of the platters mounted, they don't know that they are in the same magazine, so if you try to eject one of the platters, the entire SCSI bus hangs. We've been talking with NeXT Tech support to try and come up with a fix. I'll let you know if we come up with anything..... John -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-3344 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: foxm@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Mike Fox) Subject: Quantum drive woes Message-ID: <1993Apr4.214209.23632@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Keywords: Quantum disk Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 21:42:09 GMT I'm trying to install a QUANTUM ELS170S in my system. When I format the disk, the format (disk -d .5 -F /dev/rsd1a) completes successfully. However, when I try to initialize the disk, via disk or when I log in, I get the following errors: /usr/etc/disk -i -h bagheera -l "Disk" /dev/rsd1a disk name: QUANTUM ELS170S disk type: fixed_rw_scsi writing disk label sd1: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid=0x1c48, retry 1 . . . retry 9 sd1: Incomplete disk transfer - FATAL sd1: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x248, retry 1 sd1: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x248, retry 1 sd1: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x248, retry 1 creating new filesystem on /dev/rsd1a /usr/etc/newfs -n -v /dev/rsd1a /etc/mkfs /dev/rsd1a 166808 32 4 8192 1024 16 10 60 4096 t sd1: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x400, resid = 0x400, retry 1 . . . retry 9 sd1: Incomplete disk transfer - FATAL write error: 166807 wtfs: I/O error /usr/etc/newfs /dev/rsd1a failed (status 1) I do not have the specifications for the disk other than the following (via Rory Bolt's SCSI Formatter): QUANTUM ELS170S Blocksize 512 bytes/block Revision 3.0606/16/92 166220460332 Capacity 166968 Kbytes ANSI version 2 My system: NeXT 040 Cube ROM ver.2.5 66 Has anybody gotten this disk, or this family of disks, working with a NeXT? What do the errors signify? Mike
From: steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank) Subject: NeXT printer: Paper does not come out the other end Message-ID: <2BBF783F.29459@news.service.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 5 Apr 93 00:07:27 GMT There are a set of cylindrical paper feeders above the output tray of the NeXT printer that pull the paper out of the printer and into the output tray. These cylinders spin during printing in order to pull the paper through the printer. I have a printer that works well except that the cylinders no longer spin. This causes the paper to stick in the printer rather than coming all the way through, which in turn causes the printer to react with a "paper jammed" status. Any suggestions? ---------------------------------------------------------- Steven Frank | Tel: 714-725-2244 Dept. of Ecology and | Fax: 714-725-2181 Evolutionary Biology | email: safrank@uci.edu Univ. of California | bitnt: safrank@uci.bitnet Irvine, CA 92717 |
From: steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank) Subject: NeXT printer: Paper does not come out the other end Message-ID: <2BBF78B3.29561@news.service.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 5 Apr 93 00:09:23 GMT There are a set of cylindrical paper feeders above the output tray of the NeXT printer that pull the paper out of the printer and into the output tray. These cylinders spin during printing in order to pull the paper through the printer. I have a printer that works well except that the cylinders no longer spin. This causes the paper to stick in the printer rather than coming all the way through, which in turn causes the printer to react with a "paper jammed" status. Any suggestions? ---------------------------------------------------------- Steven Frank | Tel: 714-725-2244 Dept. of Ecology and | Fax: 714-725-2181 Evolutionary Biology | email: safrank@uci.edu Univ. of California | bitnt: safrank@uci.bitnet Irvine, CA 92717 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) Subject: Re: NS/Intel Video Reports Message-ID: <1993Apr5.041044.2141@relief.com> Sender: jjfeiler@relief.com Organization: relief consulting References: <1993Apr4.133625.25766@wam.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 04:10:44 GMT In article <1993Apr4.133625.25766@wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) writes: > Hello all, > > By now I imagine several people have tested NS/I beta versions. > Without describing the sw as such, can someone let us know how > the video is on some of these systems? For example in NextWorld > D. Lavin reports that an Epson Progression is producing 800X600 > resolution. Surely this is unacceptable? And he doesn't > say whether one can add more VRAM to increase resolution, nor > whether one can have 1078X760 or whatever in grayscale with > the tested configuration. > > Has anyone had experience with the higher resolutions with an Intel > machine? The interface elements, in my opinion, are a little too > big on my Next Turbo! > > In your educated opinions, will be be able to match, by the Summer, > the NeXT native resolution, without spending $7000 plus on a Dell Jaws > machine? > > Any info appreciated. > I've used NS/I at several different resolutions. 1024x768 color is ok. You lose one space in the dock, and the display looks as good as a NSC. 800x600 is a bit small, but it's all you're going to be able to get with only 1MB VRAM. It still looks much better than Windoze. 640x480 Mono is unusable in my opinion. I'd have to be hurtin' pretty bad to settle for that. I'm currently looking into some high-end video boards, with as much as 8MB VRAM. One that I've seen should provide 1600x1200x12, about twice the screen realestate of an NSC. I sure hope that DriverKit is as easy to use as it looks........ John > > Robert de Lucca > Johns Hopkins Univ. > email rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu (Nextmail too) > > -- John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! Edmonds, WA 98026-3344 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tnauer@iiic.ethz.ch (Thomas Nauer) Subject: HELP : Fujitsu M2511A Message-ID: <1993Apr5.075845.17159@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> Originator: tnauer@c14 Sender: news@neptune.inf.ethz.ch (Mr News) Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 07:58:45 GMT Hello, I've some trouble with the Fujitsu M2511A 3,5'' 128 MB MO-Drive (Rev 0500). It can't initialize it, cause of scsi status and sense key errors. Anyone out there with knowledge or a handmade disktab entry ???? Thanks for any suggestions and help Thomas Thomas Nauer, ETHZ Zuerich, Switzerland email: tnauer@iiic.ethz.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: DEll DE2 GX system for NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr4.182704.3130@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr4.054127.3491@eps.com> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 18:27:04 GMT In article <1993Apr4.054127.3491@eps.com> uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) writes: > I am assuming that right now the best system for running NEXTSTEP for > Intel is the DELL DE2 DGX system. Is this correct?. The DELL DE2 DGX is a nice system, but it isn't perfect. It only has a DX2-50. Also take a look at the other EISA machines--the Intel GX Professional in particular. > I received from NeXT the other day some information on compatible > hardware and I noticed the DELL DGX was the only system that could run > in 16bit color at 1120x832. Is this still the case? Yes. The DGX has the best and fastest graphics display of the Intel machines currently available. If display is your primary concern, the DGX is likely the right machine for you. > Is there that big a difference from 1024x768 to 1120x832? It's noticable, but not like night and day. Dropping to 800x600 is like night and day. > By the time NSI ships hopefully at the NeXTWorld convention will there > be something better out there?? Better graphics? I think that's about six months away. > Last thing what does Dell want for a DGX system with lets say 64mb ram > 600 - 1gig hd (eisa scsii), 17" or 19" color monitor?? With 64MB RAM, 700MB SCSI drive, the DPT controller, Intel Etherexpress 16, 17inch monitor: $8778 plus tax and shipping. > Does anyone know if the DGX will be upgradeable to the Pentium chip? The DGX does not have a socket for the P24T.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NS/Intel Video Reports Message-ID: <1993Apr4.183408.3193@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr4.133625.25766@wam.umd.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 18:34:08 GMT In article <1993Apr4.133625.25766@wam.umd.edu> gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) writes: > By now I imagine several people have tested NS/I beta versions. > Without describing the sw as such, can someone let us know how > the video is on some of these systems? For example in NextWorld > D. Lavin reports that an Epson Progression is producing 800X600 > resolution. Surely this is unacceptable? Since I was the one who installed NS on that particular machine, I'll take a stab at this one. 800x600 is usable, but 1024x768 is preferable. 800x600 requires moving windows around a lot. > And he doesn't say whether one can add more VRAM to increase resolution, > nor whether one can have 1078X760 or whatever in grayscale with > the tested configuration. The Epson progression can display 1024x768 in color if it has 2MB of VRAM. Epson unfortunately sent one to NeXTWorld with only 1MB of VRAM. > In your educated opinions, will be be able to match, by the Summer, > the NeXT native resolution, without spending $7000 plus on a Dell Jaws > machine? No. Not by summer. Autumn more likely. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: billh@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu (William F. Humphrey) Subject: Re: NeXT printer: Paper does not come out the other end Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 17:07:15 GMT Message-ID: <C50sw4.A9p@news.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <2BBF783F.29459@news.service.uci.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana In article <2BBF783F.29459@news.service.uci.edu> steve@fisher.bio.uci.edu (Steve Frank) writes: > There are a set of cylindrical paper feeders above the output tray of the > NeXT printer that pull the paper out of the printer and into the output > tray. These cylinders spin during printing in order to pull the paper > through the printer. > > I have a printer that works well except that the cylinders no longer spin. > This causes the paper to stick in the printer rather than coming all the > way through, which in turn causes the printer to react with a "paper > jammed" status. > > Any suggestions? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Frank | Tel: 714-725-2244 > Dept. of Ecology and | Fax: 714-725-2181 > Evolutionary Biology | email: safrank@uci.edu > Univ. of California | bitnt: safrank@uci.bitnet > Irvine, CA 92717 | We had a very similar problem with one of our NeXT printers last year. There is a small plastic (maybe teflon) gear that turns the rollers which pull the paper out. On our printer, this gear had become completely worn and no longer was engaging the rollers. If you can, check and see if this gear has worn out. As you look at the printer from the end where the paper (should be) coming out, the gear is on the left side. If this gear is the problem, the only solution is to have it replaced, and NOBODY sells such a gear. However, we had several of these gears made in a machine shop, and I'd be happy to send you one. -- Bill Humphrey (billh@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu) (Theoretical Biophysics) (Beckman Institute - University of Illinois) (405 North Matthews) (Urbana, IL 61801)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: NS/Intel Video Reports Message-ID: <1993Apr5.105947.9817@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Apr5.041044.2141@relief.com> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 10:59:47 GMT In article <1993Apr5.041044.2141@relief.com> jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler) writes: [deleted] > > I've used NS/I at several different resolutions. 1024x768 color is ok. You > lose one space in the dock, and the display looks as good as a NSC. 800x600 > is a bit small, but it's all you're going to be able to get with only 1MB > VRAM. It still looks much better than Windoze. 640x480 Mono is unusable in > my opinion. I'd have to be hurtin' pretty bad to settle for that. > > I'm currently looking into some high-end video boards, with as much as 8MB > VRAM. One that I've seen should provide 1600x1200x12, about twice the screen > realestate of an NSC. I sure hope that DriverKit is as easy to use as it > looks........ > > John > > -- > John Feiler jjfeiler@relief.com > 4926 152nd St. SW NeXTmail Welcome!!! > Edmonds, WA 98026-3344 Independent NeXTSTEP Developer Do the cards you are looking at work with the Nanao 17"? I would hate to spend that much on the monitor and be locked into the ATI card, In the long run I would like to have the option of higher resolution and more colors per pixel. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: honor@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Honor) Subject: FIMI color monitor replacement? Message-ID: <1993Apr4.183926.12529@news.arc.nasa.gov> Sender: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035 Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 18:39:26 GMT Hello All, Has anyone attached a non-NeXT color monitor to there non-turbo NeXT station? Will a larger/smaller alternative work (i.e., an Ikegami, NEC)? Just wondering in case this one gets hosed. Thanks, Alex
From: xinwei@otter.Stanford.EDU (Sha Xin Wei) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Good Hard Disc ??? Message-ID: <1993Apr5.204437.28610@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: 5 Apr 93 20:44:37 GMT References: <1pk3o2$3fc@dux.dundee.ac.uk> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University In article <1pk3o2$3fc@dux.dundee.ac.uk> dwestner@glenturret.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) writes: > Hi to all, > > As I am fed up with my 105MB Disc, I am seeking for a bigger one. > A friend of mine who is staying in the states right now is going to > buy me one there. > > Which is a good (and as I am a student, cheap) hard disc for use internally > with a NeXT station ??? (I'm thinking about the 1 Gig HP disc). > As I have no idea about prices and ways of purchase in the states > could anybody tell me some good places and prices to buy a hard disc? > Is it possible to get a student discount? > > Thanks a lot for helping me. I am going to post any suitable piece of > information. > > Dominik > > Please send mail to: > dwestner@mcs.dundee.ac.uk > Let me tack on a specific question. Our workgroup is considering buying the 1 Gig, 9 ms seek, hard drives (model FH 1000-2) from FWB for our Mac's but does anyone know if they work with 040 Next cubes and NDimensions's? (I've read the NeXT hardware Q&A but do not have specs from FWB.) Sha Xin Wei ASD, Stanford
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson), University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand Subject: Re: NS/Intel Video Reports Message-ID: <C531Lw.Ix5@news.otago.ac.nz> Sender: usenet@news.otago.ac.nz (News stuff) Organization: University of Otago References: <1993Apr4.133625.25766@wam.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 22:10:43 GMT In article <1993Apr4.133625.25766@wam.umd.edu> writes: > Hello all, > > By now I imagine several people have tested NS/I beta versions. > Without describing the sw as such, can someone let us know how > the video is on some of these systems? For example in NextWorld > D. Lavin reports that an Epson Progression is producing 800X600 > resolution. Surely this is unacceptable? And he doesn't > say whether one can add more VRAM to increase resolution, nor > whether one can have 1078X760 or whatever in grayscale with > the tested configuration. > > Has anyone had experience with the higher resolutions with an Intel > machine? The interface elements, in my opinion, are a little too > big on my Next Turbo! > > In your educated opinions, will be be able to match, by the Summer, > the NeXT native resolution, without spending $7000 plus on a Dell Jaws > machine? > > Any info appreciated. We are currently using a Compaq Deskpro with the ATI Ultra Pro Mach 32 video card. 1024x768, 16 bit colour. In real terms this means that you lose the recycler off the bottom of the dock, it goes to the bottom left of screen. The resolution is very close to out NSTCs, I don't mind which I use. The only other thing I can really say is that localbus video is essential for performance at the same level as the NSTC, EISA video is juist too slow. -- ========================================================================== ===== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 University of Otago, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 Department of Computer Science, | e-mail alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | NeXTmail Welcome
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? Date: 5 Apr 1993 22:46:06 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <1pqcre$mtr@umd5.umd.edu> How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? The system I'm interested in has an Adaptec 1542B SCSI adapter, with an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro local bus video adapter. It is only ISI based, so my concern is that IO will be slow. However, the Gateway salesman said that the 1542B is actually faster than the local bus IDE controller (which sounds like a load to me). Thanks, Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: michael@visix.com (Rainbow Without Eyes) Subject: Help on printer configuration? Sender: news@visix.com Message-ID: <C4uBIs.Exn@visix.com> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 05:06:28 GMT Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA Greetings! Apologies in advance if this is in the wrong place. If so, please advise me as to where questions like this do belong. I am trying to attach an NEC Silentwriter 95 to my NeXT. The computer is a standalone 68030-driven slab running NeXTstep 3.0 with a grayscale head and a SCSI II port. I'm not picky if the printer is driven off the SCSI chain or a serial port -- I just want it to work. So far, all efforts have led to a stony silence from the printer. Just for sanity checking -- I've got the baud rates both set at 9600, the RS422 port enabled (thus disabling LocalTalk) with 8/N/1, the RS232 port enabled with 8/N/1, and the parallel port enabled. Thanks in advance, MJB -- -----------------------------+------------------------------------------------- mjbauer@lcs.mit.edu (prefer) | I'm your only friend / I'm not your only friend michael@visix.com | / but I'm a little glowing friend / but really mjbauer@mit.edu | I'm not actually your friend / but I am mjbauer@amt.mit.edu | Michael Bauer, Visix Software computer geek.
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What_if_something_breaks_on_my_Next_equip? Date: 6 Apr 1993 01:54:26 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1pqnsi$a9m@menudo.uh.edu> I did not miss much of NeXT related discussion in the past couple of months, but I am still not clear about the following: I have a Nextstation Turbo and a Next Printer. Both are a year old (and I love them both, especially the printer), and out of warranty. I don't have any equip./hardware service agreement with NeXT. Now, what recourse will I have if my MegaPixel monitor or keyboard (non ADB) or mouse or the printer should fail? will anybody sell replacements? Have there been any announcements in this regard? I have read that Motorola might offer hardware support but I thought this was only for folks who had some hardware service contract with NeXT. -- Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu Department of Mechanical Engineering Tel :(713) 743-4535 University of Houston Fax :(713) 743-4503 Houston, TX 77204-4792
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: FIMI color monitor replacement? Message-ID: <1993Apr6.033436.27754@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Apr4.183926.12529@news.arc.nasa.gov> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 03:34:36 GMT In article <1993Apr4.183926.12529@news.arc.nasa.gov> honor@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Honor) writes: > Hello All, > Has anyone attached a non-NeXT color monitor to there > non-turbo NeXT station? Will a larger/smaller alternative > work (i.e., an Ikegami, NEC)? Just wondering in case > this one gets hosed. Check out the FAQs posted in csn.announce for some pointers. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: What_if_something_breaks_on_my_Next_equip? Message-ID: <1993Apr6.033643.27809@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1pqnsi$a9m@menudo.uh.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 03:36:43 GMT In article <1pqnsi$a9m@menudo.uh.edu> rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) writes: > I have read that Motorola might offer hardware support but I thought > this was only for folks who had some hardware service contract with NeXT. Several service firms are negotiating for the service rights. I certainly hope NeXT doesn't take forever to make a decision, though. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: FIMI color monitor replacement? Message-ID: <1993Apr6.051603.18445@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <1993Apr4.183926.12529@news.arc.nasa.gov> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 05:16:03 GMT In article <1993Apr4.183926.12529@news.arc.nasa.gov> honor@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Honor) writes: >>Hello All, >>Has anyone attached a non-NeXT color monitor to there >>non-turbo NeXT station? Will a larger/smaller alternative >>work (i.e., an Ikegami, NEC)? Just wondering in case >>this one gets hosed. >> >> Sure. Here at the Media Lab, the only machines that have a Fimi display are machines people bought at the NeXT "fire sale" (like my home Color station). Most of the machines have 19" DECStation or HP monitors, which I believe are just repackaged Sonys. My office Color Turbo has the best monitor I've seen, which is a 20" Ikegami (formerly the monitor for my dearly departed (well, not that dear)) Stardent Vistra. You just have to get the NeXT-video to RGB cable, which is conveniently the same part a Sparcstation needs. I for one have always been somewhat confused by the doom-and-gloomers that seem to imply that a NeXTStation has a hard time begin hooked up to a non NeXT color monitor. I'd say we have ours hooked up to about 4 or 5 non-NeXT high res monitors; no one I know here has ever had a problem having it "just work". For that matter, all our HP/DEC/SGI/Ardent/Stardent/SUN monitors get swapped around all the time, and they work fine. *shrug* My home Fimi pretty much sucks; if I try to show a large patch of black (say as a background) it starts to lose it; the display gets rather grey. Sort of anti-blooming, if you know what I mean... Unfortunately, I don't have the cash to go out and buy another display right now, so I guess I have to live with it. The good news is that there are plenty of different monitors that will work just fine. -- --> Michael B. Johnson --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bailey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (- -) Subject: NeXT Printer = Cannon ?? Message-ID: <1993Apr6.053732.18290@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 05:37:32 GMT Does Cannon sell a (non-black) printer that is functionally equiv. to the NeXT printer?? Bill
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next From: eps@shell.portal.com (Eric Schwartz) Subject: Failed System Test on a NeXTstation. Help!! Message-ID: <C51sLJ.3B1@unix.portal.com> Followup-To: poster Keywords: crash Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 05:58:28 GMT PLEASE!! If you have lived through a Failed System Test and can offer any advice at all, please take a moment to read this message. A few hours ago my NeXTstation (running NS 2.1) popped up the following message: panic: (Cpu 0) MMU invalid descriptor during table walk It was one of those error panels that makes you cringe instantly, and the whole system was locked up - no keyboard, mouse, etc. The power key didn't work, nor did the usual keyboard sequences to enter the ROM monitor, etc. After pulling the plug and starting it back up, it immediately gave a "Failed System Test" message after "Testing system..", and then froze. The only thing I was able to do was press the power key, which brought up the ROM monitor, and the only information I was able to get from there was: Exception #2 (0x8) at 0x1006cdc <-- this came up several times as I tried to press Power to shut it down again and Exception #3 (0xc) at 0x100034c I ran out of ideas shortly after that and turned off the DRAM and system test options with the 'P' monitor command, and powered down again. Now I no longer get even a "Testing system" message or a box - just a blank screen and no ROM monitor. I am now desperate to get the machine back up and running, and I'd be grateful for ANY information that someone can offer, particularly: Any ideas what might have happened? Could it be a bad battery on the motherboard, which is now several years old? (Has anyone had this problem?) What are my options for hardware/technical support given that I have/had no support contract through NeXT, and purchased the machine at a university that (as far as I know) is no longer dealing with NeXT hardware? Thanks very much for your time and hopefully your response. Eric eps@shell.portal.com voice (408) 279-7191 -- Eric Schwartz eps@shell.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: FIMI color monitor replacement? Message-ID: <1993Apr5.233611.7212@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr4.183926.12529@news.arc.nasa.gov> Distribution: na Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 23:36:11 GMT In article <1993Apr4.183926.12529@news.arc.nasa.gov> honor@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Alex Honor) writes: > Hello All, > Has anyone attached a non-NeXT color monitor to there > non-turbo NeXT station? Will a larger/smaller alternative > work (i.e., an Ikegami, NEC)? I've used an Ikegami. They are wonderful. Send me email if you're in need of a good source. (They can be had in NeXT black--but not for long.) M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: (Mono) Megapixel replacement? Date: 6 Apr 93 07:39:59 Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University Distribution: comp Message-ID: <ANDERSON.93Apr6073959@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> I have an ND cube that I'd like to add a mono display to. I ordered a mono display from NeXT just after they stopped making hardware - they accepted the order, and they've never cancelled it, but they haven't shipped me a monitor, either, and it looks like there's no real hope they will at this point. So what other choice do I have? I want something that can run off the mono framebuffer on the main board. I'd like to keep the soundbox as the speaker/mike/keyboard connection, but the main thing is to get that second monitor (so I can run co-Xist acceptably fast). What alternatives to NeXT's monitor are there? --Steve Anderson
From: Martin_Reed@next.com (Martin Reed) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <7337@rosie.NeXT.COM> Date: 6 Apr 93 10:18:34 GMT References: <1oum1a$4pq@steffi.demon.co.uk> Sender: ltucker@NeXT.COM As best I can tell, the Eizo range is called the Nanao in the US. And I'd like to know the answer too :-). In article <1oum1a$4pq@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > >The very best monitors are Ikegami. They are 20inch and cost about $2000 > >(street). Try MacAdam in San Francisco. hfp@macadam.com > > Can do they compare with the Eizo Flexican T range? Do they sell them > in the US? I don't think you can beat a Eizo T660i-t cheers Martin Reed, NeXT Computer UK +44 81 565 0005 / +44 81 565 0016 fax / Martin_Reed@next.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Who really manufactures the 20" NeXT color Monitor? Message-ID: <1993Apr6.184203.23558@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 18:42:03 GMT A friend of mine was over the other day and really liked the quality of my NeXT 20" color monitor. He asked who made it and I didn't know. Does anybody know what brand this really is? I have heard various rumors, Sony trinitron, Hitachi, etc. Thanks in advance -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What_if_something_breaks_on_my_Next_equip? Date: 6 Apr 1993 18:37:23 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1psil3INNa8t@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1pqnsi$a9m@menudo.uh.edu> In article <1pqnsi$a9m@menudo.uh.edu> rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha Rao) writes: > >I did not miss much of NeXT related discussion in the past couple of months, >but I am still not clear about the following: > > I have a Nextstation Turbo and a Next Printer. Both are a year old (and > Now, what recourse will I have if my MegaPixel monitor or keyboard (non >ADB) or mouse or the printer should fail? will anybody sell replacements? Have >there been any announcements in this regard? >-- >Jagannatha Rao E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu NeXT, Inc. is required by federal law to service and support existing NeXT hardware for the next five (5) years. Therefore, if something goes wrong between now and Feb. 1998, NeXT will fix it. I believe NeXT is still offering extended warranties, so if it were me, I would call 1-800-848-NeXT and ask how to get a 1yr extended warranty. I would then purchase a 1 year warranty every year until 1998. Even if NeXT WERE making hardware, I would still buy the extended warranties. Better safe than sorry. The warranty for a NeXT system is roughly $400/year. Pretty cheap consider the protection you get.. Eric Hermanson
From: dmwood@geek.Mines.Colorado.EDU (David M. Wood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Toasted (?) built-in NeXTStation microphone Keywords: microphone Message-ID: <1993Apr6.201150.65817@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: 6 Apr 93 20:11:50 GMT Sender: news@slate.mines.colorado.edu Distribution: usa Organization: Colorado School of Mines The built-in microphone on my NextStation monochrome [non-Turbo, standalone, running 3.0, and with warranty expired :(] **appears** to have died---MonsterScope hangs with a flat oscilloscope trace, LipService's volume bar indicates no input, etc. More revealing, however, is that now when I try a connection of my machine to itself using Herr jolly's InterPhone app [which worked a couple of weeks ago, albeit with strange echoes], the console rapidly fills (>20,000 lines) with the messages: Record: Cannot record sound then Record: Cannot access hardware resources with a final Socket accept error after I kill the app. I would have thought that a burned-out mike would not be apparent to software; this smells like a **software** problem (?). Thus, 1. Short of opening the monitor to get at the microphone [which is largely inaccessible anyway, I'm told], is there any diagnostic to confirm that it is a **hardware** problem? [All the boot-up sound tests pass.] Does anyone have a recipe for replacing the built-in mike? (From what I've been told, NeXT doesn't do such repairs--they just swap monitors, for $400, more than I'd like to pay for a functioning microphone. 2. Does anyone have any ideas what's going wrong, if it is a software problem? Suspicions: Could using InterPhone to my own machine have burned out the mike? (The speakers work fine, as does the DSP.) I've also been trying the new demo version of NXFax, but de-installing it didn't fix the problem. I've extensively perused the Winter 93 NeXTAnswers, the FAQ, csn.hardware, and the entries in TechSupportNotes and SupportBulletins in /pub/next/documents on cs.orst.edu and the on-line documentation to no avail. I'd be grateful to hear from anyone with a suggestion. -- David M. Wood Department of Physics, Colorado School of Mines, Golden, CO 80401 Phone: (303) 273-3853; Fax: (303) 273-3840 e-mail: dmwood@Mines.Colorado.EDU ; NeXTMail welcome
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) Subject: Daisy-chaining another printer on the NeXT Color Bj Message-ID: <9304070009.AA06500@alychne-nc.canon.com> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 00:07:31 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Does anyone know of any problems in this regard? We're having some strange problems when daisy-chaining another printer (a Canon CJ10) with the NeXT Color BJ. If we attempt to print to both printers at the same time (or at least have both printer drivers rendering at the same time) the Window Server will occasionally crash. Another strange problem is that if the "generic" SCSI driver "sg0" is open when the printer driver for the Color BJ attempts to access it, the driver correctly reports that the printer is offline/unavailable, but then never retries the job. Has anyone else had any experiences like this? Any workarounds? Please e-mail answers or comments to me and I will summarize to the group. (Please cc: me if you post as well, so I don't miss it.) Thanks! --- Subrata Sircar|ssircar@canon.com (NextMail ok)|Prophet & SPAMIT Charter Member Canon Information Systems and I do not share the same views on everything. "I'm just mad that I missed the sexual revolution." - me "Yes, but you dress much better as a result." - Mike
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Serial Port Driver Chip Date: 7 Apr 1993 02:56:01 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ptfs1INNeh4@clem.handheld.com> References: <1993Mar29.222753.419@sydney.bo.open.de> In article <1993Mar29.222753.419@sydney.bo.open.de> mmo@sydney.bo.open.de (Michael Mossal) writes: > Hello, > > I am searching for a Line Driver IC from a NeXT Cube. The Chip is defined > by the letters: FIL-MAG, 232109SM, TWN 9110. > That is not the driver chip, it's just an RFI filter, for FCC requirments. If it's truly bad, it can just be removed and bypassed. > Because these Chip is burned in my Cube, one of the Seriel Ports do not > work. Can anybody tell me were I can order it? > > -- > Ciao > mmo > > > fido: 2:245/5800.6 > email: mmo@sydney.bo.open.de (NeXTmail welcome) -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: (Mono) Megapixel replacement? Date: 7 Apr 1993 02:47:03 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <1ptfb7INNeh3@clem.handheld.com> References: <ANDERSON.93Apr6073959@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> In article <ANDERSON.93Apr6073959@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) writes: > I have an ND cube that I'd like to add a mono display to. I ordered a > mono display from NeXT just after they stopped making hardware - they > accepted the order, and they've never cancelled it, but they haven't > shipped me a monitor, either, and it looks like there's no real hope > they will at this point. > > So what other choice do I have? I want something that can run off the > mono framebuffer on the main board. I'd like to keep the soundbox as > the speaker/mike/keyboard connection, but the main thing is to get > that second monitor (so I can run co-Xist acceptably fast). What > alternatives to NeXT's monitor are there? > > --Steve Anderson I don't have an answer for you, but I will point out that that sound box has an internal RCA connector for the video (it's the same board useds in the mono display), so if you find a monitor that takes composite video at the proper rate, you're all set! -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Date: 7 Apr 1993 03:41:02 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ptigeINNmlr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1oum1a$4pq@steffi.demon.co.uk> <7337@rosie.NeXT.COM> In article <7337@rosie.NeXT.COM>, Martin_Reed@next.com (Martin Reed) writes: |> As best I can tell, the Eizo range is called the Nanao in the US. And I'd |> like to know the answer too :-). |> |> In article <1oum1a$4pq@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk |> (Robert Nicholson) writes: |> > >The very best monitors are Ikegami. They are 20inch and cost about |> $2000 |> > >(street). Try MacAdam in San Francisco. hfp@macadam.com |> > |> > Can do they compare with the Eizo Flexican T range? Do they sell them |> > in the US? I don't think you can beat a Eizo T660i-t |> |> cheers |> Martin Reed, NeXT Computer UK |> +44 81 565 0005 / +44 81 565 0016 fax / Martin_Reed@next.com I personally use a Sony GDM 1936 monitor. I eventually chose this over the NEC and Nanao monitors because it has a universal power supply....I realy like it. The Nanao was more expensive as I remember then...now about a year ago. For reference its a 19/20" depending on what you measure. john.
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Simple question on SCSI dat drives. Date: 7 Apr 1993 03:47:25 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ptisdINNmlr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I'm interested in getting a tape back up unit for my NeXT and am contemplating a DAT drive. What is to stop me getting any old DAT drive for the MAC and plugging it into my NeXT. Then use one of the half dozen or so back up packages like EnTAR or SaftyNet. Yes I know that there are things called scsi drivers but I assume there is one on the machine already. Ok I'm proberbally being increadably simplistic about it all but its a good place to start. Any nice person feel like educating me on this subject. Thanks john.
From: dan@coactive.com (dan hennage) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: CD_ROM drive compatibility Date: 7 Apr 1993 02:23:21 GMT Organization: Coactive Aesthetics Inc. Message-ID: <1ptdupINN35q@disc.coactive.com> Has anyone out there interfaced a Toshiba 3401E CD-ROM Drive to a NeXT? For a more general question: Does anyone know of a CD-ROM Drive which will work with a NeXT, a Mac, and a PC? Thanks. --- dan hennage coactive aesthetics po box 425967, san francisco, ca 94142 dan@coactive.com voice:(415)626-5152 fax:(415)626-6320
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: SCSI for Intel GX Professional Workstation Message-ID: <93Apr07.163344.21463@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 16:33:44 GMT Distribution: na References: <1993Mar26.200927.2600@metrosoft.com> <1993Mar27.144207.26762@pellns.alleg.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > If you're planning to put an Adaptec card into an Intel GX > Professional, be warned that there may be a size problem with > the Adaptec 1542B. When we tried it, the card was just a > little bit too long to fit into the machine. We finally made > it fit by shaving an eighth of an inch off the end of the card, > but it's a very tight fit. Perhaps the 1540B is shorter. > > Judy Halchin > jhalchin@alleg.edu Not to give everyone the wrong idea... The GX/Professional has 3 slots, two EISA and one ISA. The ISA slot is quite short, but fits both the Intel Etherexpress and Ethercard Elite Plus just fine. That's probably what most NeXTSTEP users will use the slot for. The EISA slots are long enough to fit just about ANYTHING. The Adaptec card works just fine in an EISA slot (they're 100% backward compatible with ISA cards). The DPT card is a full length card, but it fits fine as well. These are the best designed and manufactured 486s I've EVER seen. Anyone who is worried about migrating from their beautifully designed NeXTStation to a poor PC design will be pleasantly surprised by the design of the GX/Professional! We're told that Intel has commited to do both the on-board sound and SCSI support. Sound drivers to be available at the end of May, no date set yet for SCSI drivers. Even if the machine didn't have built-in sound and SCSI it would be a reasonable deal at ANDI prices... just a tight fit for number of slots until the drivers become available and free two... -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: NeXT hardware - extended diagnostics. Message-ID: <1993Apr7.173212.4818@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 17:32:12 GMT From NeXTanswers 93_winter, hardware.540: " Diagnostics is a testing program used by authorized NeXT Service Centers to test the various hardware components. When your cube is booting extended diagnostics, it searches the boot device for the Diagnostics program. " Now that NeXT is out of the hardware business, have they released the diagnostic code? Maybe they should. Matthew --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,um.general From: andy@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Andrew M. Milburn) Subject: Need Motherboard (68040) for cube Message-ID: <1993Apr7.165800.4549@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 16:58:00 GMT Anybody got a spare motherboard (68040 cube) I could buy?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fred@wicket.fdn.org (Frederic Pralong) Subject: CLC Canon on NeXT ? Message-ID: <1993Apr7.204935.2192@wicket.fdn.org> Sender: news@wicket.fdn.org Organization: Individual - Paris, France. Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 20:49:35 GMT Is it simple to connect a CLC Canon on a NeXT ? Do we need another hardware or software to run this CLC Canon ? Thanks FReD -- Frederic Pralong fred@wicket.fdn.org Paris - FRANCE "Si, comme on le dit, ce sont toujours les meilleurs qui s en vont les premiers, que penser des ejaculateurs precoces ?" Pierre Desproges.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) Subject: Local BUS NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr7.193539.1015@eps.com> Sender: steve@eps.com Organization: Electronic Publishing Services Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 19:35:39 GMT I've been reading lately in PC computer mags about two different VLB boards that bring interest too me. One was the Diamond Viper VLB w/h 2mb ram. Seems like the specs on this video board are quite good. Does anyone know if this board is compatible with NSI?. I see the board advertised all the time claiming almost twice as fast as the ATI Ultra PRO VLB Hmmm. I learned young that there is the Salesman, the book, and then reality. I also noticed a VLB SCSI card from UltraStor (34F). Once again is it compatible with NSI and also are the advertised claims true. If so sounds like this is the way to go for NSI, Looks faster than an EISA based SCSI card.. And further more, does anyone know weather or not a motherboard with a ZIF socket can actually be upgraded to the Pentium?? Thanks Steven Kornreich steve@eps.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: leland.stanford.edu!enpage (Edward Nathan Page) Subject: Can I use 21" Color on a Mac? Message-ID: <1993Apr8.052324.29753@leland.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: monitor, mac Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 05:23:24 GMT Does anyone know if the NeXT 21' Color monitor can be made to work with either a Macintosh Centris or Quadra (preferably with the on-board video or a third party video card). I would appreciate any info that anyone could provide. I have to admit that it is a sad day when I have to even think of asking such a question. Thanks, - Ed -- enpage@leland.stanford.edu 2 Black, 2 Strong Please, No NeXTmail!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: CD_ROM drive compatibility Message-ID: <1993Apr7.222915.12562@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1ptdupINN35q@disc.coactive.com> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 22:29:15 GMT In article <1ptdupINN35q@disc.coactive.com> dan@coactive.com (dan hennage) writes: > > Has anyone out there interfaced a Toshiba 3401E CD-ROM Drive to a NeXT? > For a more general question: Does anyone know of a CD-ROM Drive which will > work with a NeXT, a Mac, and a PC? > > Thanks. > > --- > dan hennage > coactive aesthetics > po box 425967, san francisco, ca 94142 > dan@coactive.com voice:(415)626-5152 fax:(415)626-6320 I have not tried the PC yet but our Denon drive works fine with a Mac and a NeXT. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Ahti.Kotisaari@helsinki.fi Subject: NeXT printer: Paper comes out too early ( : -) ) Message-ID: <1993Apr8.093110.22003@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Sender: news@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Uutis Ankka) Organization: University of Helsinki Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 09:31:10 GMT Bug, improper installation or something broken? My NeXT 400dpi Laser Printer prints all documents as follows: nearly every page is first printed incompletely: from one to two thirds of page printed, then paper is ejected. The subsequent sheet is printed properly. The former owner told it didn't behave this way. In installation I just moved the green socket from 'letter' to A4 position, cabled and plugged in, and set the driver by PrintManager. I have NS 3.0, the PrintManager should have been updated automatically with 3.0 upgrade (?). Ahti K. -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9FUO9&5R;B!#;W5R:65R.WT*7&UA M<F=L,3(P"EQM87)G<C$R,`I<<&%R9%QT>#$Q-3)<='@R,S`T7'1X,S0U-EQT M>#0V,#A<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDQ,EQT>#@P-C1<='@Y,C$V7'1X,3`S-CA<='@Q M,34R,%QF,%QB,%QI,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R-%QF8S!<8V8P($)U9RP@:6UP<F]P M97(@:6YS=&%L;&%T:6]N(&]R('-O;65T:&EN9R!B<F]K96X_7`I<"@I<<&%R M9%QT>#$Q-#!<='@R,S`P7'1X,S0T,%QT>#0V,#!<='@U-S8P7'1X-CDP,%QT M>#@P-C!<='@Y,C`P7'1X,3`S-C!<='@Q,34R,%QF8S!<8V8P($UY($YE6%0@ M-#`P9'!I($QA<V5R(%!R:6YT97(@<')I;G1S(&%L;"!D;V-U;65N=',@87,@ M9F]L;&]W<SI<"FYE87)L>2!E=F5R>2!P86=E(&ES(&9I<G-T('!R:6YT960@ M:6YC;VUP;&5T96QY.B!F<F]M(&]N92!T;R!T=V\@=&AI<F1S(&]F('!A9V4@ M<')I;G1E9"P@=&AE;B!P87!E<B!I<R!E:F5C=&5D+B!4:&4@<W5B<V5Q=65N M="!S:&5E="!I<R!P<FEN=&5D('!R;W!E<FQY+EP*7`I4:&4@9F]R;65R(&]W M;F5R('1O;&0@:70@9&ED;B=T(&)E:&%V92!T:&ES('=A>2X@26X@:6YS=&%L M;&%T:6]N7`I)(&IU<W0@;6]V960@=&AE(&=R965N('-O8VME="!F<F]M("=L M971T97(G('1O($$T('!O<VET:6]N+"!C86)L960@86YD('!L=6=G960@:6XL M(&%N9"!S970@=&AE(&1R:79E<B!B>2!0<FEN=$UA;F%G97(N("!)(&AA=F4@ M3E,@,RXP+"!T:&4@4')I;G1-86YA9V5R('-H;W5L9"!H879E(&)E96X@=7!D M871E9"!A=71O;6%T:6-A;&QY('=I=&@@,RXP('5P9W)A9&4@*#\I+EP*7`H* M7'!A<F1<='@Q,34R7'1X,C,P-%QT>#,T-39<='@T-C`X7'1X-3<V,%QT>#8Y M,3)<='@X,#8T7'1X.3(Q-EQT>#$P,S8X7'1X,3$U,C!<9F,P7&-F,"!!:'1I &($LN"GT* `
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Where can I buy an Intel P/GX? Date: 8 Apr 1993 14:33:56 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <1q1d4k$avm@umd5.umd.edu> Where can I buy an Intel P/GX? I've been trying to get in contact with ANDI's Bill Strehl for a week, but with no luck. Are there any other inexpensive sources? Thanks, Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: gds@cs.uct.ac.za (Riel Smit) Subject: Booting with broken internal drive Message-ID: <gds.734272673@sun-3> Sender: news@cs.uct.ac.za (news) Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 12:37:53 GMT How do you boot your NeXTstation if the only device on which you have a boot image went bust? (It won't help to say "you can't" and tell me I should have been a better sys.admin -- I'm not a sys.admin even though I sometimes end up admin-ing a system. No wonder I get into these predicaments :-) When I boot "my" NextStation I get the following: booting SCSI target 1, lun 0 blk0 boot: sd()sdmach Booting from SCSI target 1 lun 0 READ: bad status detected in sdcmd: 0 sd()sdmach: read error blk0 boot: sd()sdmach Booting from SCSI target 1 lun 0 READ: bad status detected in sdcmd: 0 sd()sdmach: read error Can't load blk0 boot which tells me I might have some serious disk problem. I have backups (not as recent as I would have wanted, but I'll survive :-) The problem is I cannot boot a system that would allow me to do an fsck and/or restore. In fact, I cannot boot a system, period. I don't have access to another NeXT and I don't have another device I can boot off. Or rather, I have other devices: a second SCSI drive, diskette drive, tape drive, CD drive, ethernet, but I don't have bootable images for any of them. ("serves him right" I hear you mumble and you are probably right) Despite the manual saying "At this time, only a NeXT computer configured with a a 660MB SCSI drive as a NetBoot server is supported" I tried putting sdmach and boot on a NCR machine that runs bootpd and asked the ROM monitor ben sdmach -bas The bootpd receives and recognises zillions of requests (only from the NeXT) and responds in kind. On the NeXT I get Requesting BOOTP information.....XLXLXLXLXLXLXL etc. It seems to be in an infinite loop, printing XL on the screen every now and then. What does the XL mean? I think I am barking up the wrong tree anyway. After all, I probably need a couple of other executables, e.g. a shell that I might not get at on the disk. Would a friend with a NeXT be able to create a bootable floppy (I like to call them stiffies)? How? Obviously it does not need to be a fully fledged system - just something I can use to try and recover/restore my disk. Any constructive advice would be greatly appreciated. -- Riel Smit gds@cs.uct.ac.za Computer Science gds%cs.uct.ac.za@rain.psg.com University of Cape Town "We have been captured by the thieves in the night"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: tabs@netcom.com (Network Account) Subject: Solved: Booting 3.0 from a Fujitsu M2624F Message-ID: <tabsC568s4.EEK@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Summary: Disabling synchronous transfer allowed Fujistsu M2624 to boot Keywords: Synchrounous transfer, Fujitsu M2624, Booting problems, SCSI Error Sender: tabs@netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 15:38:27 GMT Hi, I had reported a problem in booting from Fujistsu M2624 after building it for NS3.0 That problem was solved by removing the appropriate jumpers and disabling Synchrounous transfer. I got the clue from an old document fujitsu.recipe by Izumi Ohzawa. Rory Bolt was quoted in the document as offering this insight into SCSI problems caused by synchronous transfer enabled on Fujitsu drives. I also got messages that gave the same suggestions from Paul Martin Trunz <trunz@inf.ethz.ch> mheubi@pws3.itr.ch (Matthias Heubi) Thanks to everone who responded tabs@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: tabs@netcom.com (Network Account) Subject: Solved: Problems with QIC tape drive - Archive Viper 150 Message-ID: <tabsC5696v.EtD@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Summary: Running a program to used fixed block sizes solved tape problems Keywords: SCSI tape drive, QIC, Archive Viper 150, fixed block size Sender: tabs@netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 15:47:18 GMT Hi, We had a problem with a new Archive Viper 150, SCSI tape drive (QIC format). We were getting tar: tape I/O erros, even after trying various device drivers on the next, including rst0, nrst0 etc. Our problem was solved by checking into archived postings of csn.sysadmin group. There was an old posting giving a program fblock.c to set the SCSI tape driver to a fixed block size. After that the tape drive worked flawlessly!! tabs@netcom.com p.s. I am posting this to the net so that others can benifit from our experience. I am setting the distribution to world, since most of useful solutions for our previous problems originated from outside of USA.
From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <1993Apr6.170531.9970@bluerose.com> Date: 6 Apr 93 17:05:31 GMT References: <7337@rosie.NeXT.COM> Sender: m@bluerose.com Distribution: na Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. In article <7337@rosie.NeXT.COM> Martin_Reed@next.com (Martin Reed) writes: > As best I can tell, the Eizo range is called the Nanao in the US. And I'd > like to know the answer too :-). > > In article <1oum1a$4pq@steffi.demon.co.uk> robert@steffi.demon.co.uk > (Robert Nicholson) writes: > > >The very best monitors are Ikegami. They are 20inch and cost about > $2000 > > >(street). Try MacAdam in San Francisco. hfp@macadam.com > > > > Can do they compare with the Eizo Flexican T range? Do they sell them > > in the US? I don't think you can beat a Eizo T660i-t I like the Nanao, but I like the Ikegami better. (The Nanao can't do 1280x1024 at 72Hz.) M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Local BUS NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr8.022702.3733@bluerose.com> Date: 8 Apr 93 02:27:02 GMT References: <1993Apr7.193539.1015@eps.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Distribution: na Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. In article <1993Apr7.193539.1015@eps.com> uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) writes: > I've been reading lately in PC computer mags about two different VLB boards > that bring interest too me. One was the Diamond Viper VLB w/h 2mb ram. Seems > like the specs on this video board are quite good. Does anyone know if this > board is compatible with NSI?. Not until someone writes a driver for it. > I see the board advertised all the time > claiming almost twice as fast as the ATI Ultra PRO VLB Hmmm. I learned young > that there is the Salesman, the book, and then reality. I also noticed a VLB > SCSI card from UltraStor (34F). Once again is it compatible with NSI and also > are the advertised claims true. It probably is faster than EISA SCSI, but again someone needs to write a driver. > If so sounds like this is the way to go for > NSI, Looks faster than an EISA based SCSI card.. And further more, does anyone > know weather or not a motherboard with a ZIF socket can actually be upgraded to > the Pentium?? That will work. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rr86@muddnext16.cc.columbia.edu (Rex Riley) Subject: How BuildDisk a swapdisk dive? Message-ID: <1993Apr8.174422.5742@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 17:44:22 GMT I'm upgrading a slab to NS3.0. I want to change my 105 from a dedicated swapdisk to my bootdisk. But... BuildDisk will not mount the 105 swapdisk. I configured it using dwrite... What do I need to do to build this 105 into a minimal 3.0 startup disk? Thanks in advance. -r
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brandenberg@gauss.enet.dec.com (Time is Money - Especially a Good Time) Message-ID: <9304081937.AA21956@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> Subject: Practial Peripherals Modem/FAX Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:39:47 PDT Some months ago, I needed a modem *immediately* and a practical peripherals was all that was available in the stores at hand. Now, I would like to make some use of its fax capabilities. Can this puppy be configured to work with the existing drivers or, if not, with any currently available third-part app (NXFax)? tnx Monty
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Trapping low level events? Message-ID: <1993Apr8.101213.16006@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 10:12:13 GMT The problem I have is to be able, from a background process, to generate events for an Application but without any use of the keyboard or the mouse. The system will then be able to communicate with an application and a user through other user interface devices. So, I have two main questions : How communicate with ev0 event driver ? How intervene in the low level event queue before the WindowServer ? (for instance generate new events such as these comming from the mouse but without manipulate it) Thank you for answering at : Remy ROGACKI EERIE-LPI Parc Scientifique Georges BESSE 30000 NIMES - FRANCE email : rogacki@eerie.fr fax : (33) 66 84 05 06 ---------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Micropolis 2105 Drive Message-ID: <1993Apr8.093818.4765@nic.csu.net> From: root@nssnext.calstatela.edu (Operator) Date: 8 Apr 93 09:38:17 PDT Keywords: Micropolis SCSI Drive I remember somone posting information about troubles formating some drives on the NeXT. I have a Micropolis 2105 Drive and BuildDisk.app does not recognize it. The first time I connected the drive I got a Panel "Initialize Disk". I responded ok. It formatted it to NeXT format and it displays on the File Viewer. But when I come to BuildDisk.app it shows a Panel "Cannot Build Disk is being used by another application. Does anyone have the parameters to format the disk on the Unix end? -Thanks In Advance Victor Quevedo
From: daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT Printer on ethernet or PC??? Date: 8 Apr 1993 23:08:26 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1q2b9aINNc21@tamsun.tamu.edu> Keywords: NeXT Printer, ethernet interface, 486 How can we run our spiffy NeXT laser printers on PC's under NeXTSTEP 486 (other than shipping files to a NeXT working as a print server)? If somebody would come up with an ethernet interface for a NeXT printer I bet it would sell. -- Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS ---Not an official document of Texas A&M---
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: aelman@cs.stanford.edu Subject: NS/FIP HW questions... Message-ID: <1993Apr9.002109.28675@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 00:21:09 GMT I'm trying to figure out how much I'm going to have to upgrade my current 486 for NeXTStep, so if somebody could answer a couple of questions that I'm still a bit confused about, I'd appreciate it. 1) I have an ET4000-based video card with 1MB of VRAM, on a proprietary LocalBus interface (I bought it right before the VESA standard was widely accepted. :-( ). Is this likely to be compatible with the final release of NS/FIP, and if so, what kind of color/resolution will I be able to get? 2) Will the final release of NS/FIP come with support for a serial mouse? I've heard that the beta only supports bus or PS/2-type mice. 3) Will NS/FIP come with support for a variety of printers, and more specifically, for my Epson 24-pin printer? (I have access to laser printing, but it's not for free, so I use the 24-pin for drafts & stuff I don't need laser quality for.) Side note -- is there an easy way to hook a NeXTStation to the same printer? What kind of cable would I need? Thanks for your help, Adam Elman aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <1993Apr9.022556.6455@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Apr6.170531.9970@bluerose.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 02:25:56 GMT In article <1993Apr6.170531.9970@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: > > > Can do they compare with the Eizo Flexican T range? Do they sell them > > > in the US? I don't think you can beat a Eizo T660i-t > > I like the Nanao, but I like the Ikegami better. (The Nanao can't do > 1280x1024 at 72Hz.) Hmmm, it's not often I'll dare to challenge M's technical knowledge, but I'll claim that the T560i *can* do it. I base this claim on two facts: 1) the manual lists a 1280x1024 @75kHz mode; 2) we've tried it on a SGI Crimson/Elan that displays 1280x1024 @ 72kHz, and it worked fine. -- Nathan Janette # "As I walk I hear my longing thoughts subsiding. Dept MB&B # Upon your cross I bleed the thoughts that I've been hiding. Yale Univ/HHMI # I'm all used up; there's not much more for me to give. New Haven, CT # Echoes of the life that we all want to live." nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu
From: rab@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? Message-ID: <C571pJ.9v2.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 93 02:03:11 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.C571pJ.9v2.2 References: <1pqcre$mtr@umd5.umd.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon > > How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? The system I'm interested > in has an Adaptec 1542B SCSI adapter, with an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro > local bus video adapter. It is only ISI based, so my concern is that IO > will be slow. However, the Gateway salesman said that the 1542B is actually > faster than the local bus IDE controller (which sounds like a load to me). > I have a Gateway 4dx2-66V with the Adaptec 1542B and NeXTStep runs fine. I have a benchmark test that I run that measures (at least for my purposes) a combination of CPU speed and memory (RAM) access. It does not test video performance or disk access. Anyway given these caveats, the relevant numbers are: NeXT 68040 (25MHz) cube: 1.0 units of time 66MHz Gateway running NeXTStep (March Beta): 0.57 units of time 66MHz Gateway running Windows NT (Oct Beta): 0.78 units of time In other words the Gateway running NeXTStep is almost twice the speed of 25MHz 040. I also included the windows NT datapoint if anyone had any interest and NeXTStep beats Windows NT. I haven't yet had a chance to run the same benchmark on the March Windows NT Beta (sorry). Hope this makes sense and is useful. Bob Brennan rab@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) Subject: Re: Local BUS NSI Message-ID: <C57CCw.2BA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana References: <1993Apr7.193539.1015@eps.com> <1993Apr8.022702.3733@bluerose.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 05:53:05 GMT M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >In article <1993Apr7.193539.1015@eps.com> uunet!eps!steve (Steve >Kornreich) writes: >> NSI, Looks faster than an EISA based SCSI card.. And further more, does >anyone >> know weather or not a motherboard with a ZIF socket can actually be >upgraded to >> the Pentium?? >That will work. Welllllll.. not quite. "the Pentium" infers the P5. The slot included on most Intel 486 DX2 machines today will accept the P24T, which has what they call "Pentium technology". In order to REALLY use the Pentium's speed, they will need to redesign the motherboards from the 486 designs (for various reasons). So, it will be sort of like "Pentium-compatible" and faster than your current 486 DX2 but not as fast as a real Pentium. David Founder, NeXT User Group at the University of Illinois (apologies to M... :-) -- David Lemson (217) 244-1205 University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson NeXTMail & MIME accepted BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
From: arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SCSI and Ethernet on NS/I portables? Message-ID: <119212@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 9 Apr 93 12:43:35 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Folks, Does anyone have any suggestions for how to provide SCSI and Ethernet support on portables running NeXTstep/I? The "configuration guides" are mysteriously silent on this point, and its not clear whether any of the drivers will support external adaptors (like Xircom ethernet cards). Regards, Noam -- Mr. Noam Arzt 215/898-3029 (voice) Director, Special Projects 215/898-9348 (FAX) University of Pennsylvania arzt@dccs.upenn.edu Data Communications & Computing Services (NeXTmail is OK) Suite 221A, 3401 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: Where can I buy an Intel P/GX? Message-ID: <1993Apr9.135512.388@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1q1d4k$avm@umd5.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 13:55:12 GMT In article <1q1d4k$avm@umd5.umd.edu> rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: > Where can I buy an Intel P/GX? I've been trying to get in contact with > ANDI's Bill Strehl for a week, but with no luck. Are there any other > inexpensive sources? Thanks, Ross. > > -- > Ross Cutler > University of Maryland, College Park > Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu The ANDI Systems Integrator is: Bruce Tucker Pioneer Technical Group (301) 921-3983 -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: How BuildDisk a swapdisk dive? Message-ID: <1993Apr9.135809.447@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <1993Apr8.174422.5742@news.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 13:58:09 GMT In article <1993Apr8.174422.5742@news.columbia.edu> rr86@muddnext16.cc.columbia.edu (Rex Riley) writes: > I'm upgrading a slab to NS3.0. I want to change my 105 > from a dedicated swapdisk to my bootdisk. But... > > BuildDisk will not mount the 105 swapdisk. I configured it > using dwrite... What do I need to do to build this 105 > into a minimal 3.0 startup disk? > > Thanks in advance. > > -r You may need to netboot without the 105 as the swapdisk to mount it. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: SCSI and Ethernet on NS/I portables? Message-ID: <1993Apr9.172006.9579@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <119212@netnews.upenn.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 17:20:06 GMT In article <119212@netnews.upenn.edu> arzt@dccs.upenn.edu (Noam H. Arzt) writes: >Folks, > >Does anyone have any suggestions for how to provide SCSI and Ethernet support >on portables running NeXTstep/I? The "configuration guides" are mysteriously >silent on this point, and its not clear whether any of the drivers will support >external adaptors (like Xircom ethernet cards). The current Beta (March) does not support any parallel port devices. Nor does it support PCMCIA cards , though this is not suprising. I'm not sure if the May release will have them in or not. Currently, only machines with real slots would have any chance of running ethernet or SCSI. You will probably have to wait until NeXTWorldExpo to find out what portable/laptop support will be in that release. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Re: DEll DE2 GX system for NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr9.151847.488@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. References: <1993Apr4.054127.3491@eps.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 15:18:47 GMT In article <1993Apr4.054127.3491@eps.com> uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) writes: | I am assuming that right now the best system for running NEXTSTEP for Intel is | the DELL DE2 DGX system. Is this correct?. Yous should consider the Intel GX workstation. This runs fast with hight-screen resolution capabilities. This material is upgradable, just wait for the OverDrive wich will act "as" a Pentium BB --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation -- Training Manager Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Trackballs Message-ID: <C56xxA.3Dr@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 00:41:33 GMT For those interested I have connected a Kraft TripleTrack trackball for the Amiga/Atari. It works and the feel isn't too bad. I've dumped the mouse and the only disadvantage is that the unit isn't black. It has a drag lock button that is great for moving files, etc. The cost around here at the local Amiga stores is $45.00. I have it wired in the Atari mode but the Amiga mode also works. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: cegarcia@athena.mit.edu (Carlos E Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What's a good price for this NeXT? Date: 9 Apr 1993 19:26:08 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1q4ikgINNnh4@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> 25 mHz 68040 DSP 21 inch color monitor 16 Mb RAM 400 Mb Hard Drive Built in Ethernet etc... I have the chance to buy one of these cheap. what's the best price anybody can come up with. Carlos Garcia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wlee@fechner.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Wonseok Lee) Subject: DAC on NEXT Message-ID: <C58Cq1.2s.1@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 18:58:41 GMT Does DAC on NeXT low-pass filter the signal when you play a sound? Can anyone tell me or direct me to some one I can ask? -W. Lee Respond to me by e-mail at wlee@fechner.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: droberts@ra.cs.umb.edu (Drake M. Roberts) Subject: Re: How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? Message-ID: <1993Apr9.200628.14106@cs.umb.edu> Sender: news@cs.umb.edu (netnews) Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS References: <1pqcre$mtr@umd5.umd.edu> <C571pJ.9v2.2@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 20:06:28 GMT In article <C571pJ.9v2.2@cs.cmu.edu> rab@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Brennan) writes: >> How does the Gateway 66V perform using NS/I? The system I'm interested ... >I have a Gateway 4dx2-66V with the Adaptec 1542B and NeXTStep runs fine. I ... I'm also interested in the Gateway 486DX2-66V for NeXTSTEP. How is the video with the ATI card on the Gateway? I mean, when you drag a window, does it move smoothly or choppilly? What kind and size of monitor are you using and what do you think of it? I'd appreciate any information about this machine for NeXTSTEP. Thanks, Drake Roberts droberts@cs.umb.edu University of Massachusetts in Boston --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gelhaus@aragon.stgt.sub.org (Stephan Gelhaus) Subject: Motorola real time chip in NeXT computers Message-ID: <C58EE4.D7H@aragon.stgt.sub.org> Keywords: motorola real time chip Organization: Novalis - Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle, Sindelfingen, EUROPE Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 19:34:51 GMT Hello NeXTers, I don't know is there a FAQ but here is my question. The NeXTstation I have is not able to start with the real time clock build in. In preferneces dialog I have no switches for auto start time etc. The real time chip I have on my board is the Motorola MC68HC68T1. It is a 16 pin DIL SMT chip. The chip is the second from left under the power-supply. If you have a NeXT computer with auto start option at a given time please tell me what chip you have inside your NeXT. Thanks a lot. Stephan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: yjwu@unix.cie.rpi.edu (Yeun-Jung Wu) Subject: mount:/dev/sd0a on /scsi: Device busy What does it mean? Message-ID: <f7l53n+@rpi.edu> Keywords: /dev/sd0a on /scsi: Device busy Organization: CIE, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 01:19:32 GMT These few days I was trying to install Fujitsu M2694ESA hard drive to my cube. It seems to work fine except high howling noise and a strange message poped up each time a monitor window was opened. The strange message reads as: mount:/dev/sd0a on /scsi: Device busy mount:giving up on /scsi I guess it is a problem with autodiskmount but have no clue up to now. Would you please to point out what is the source of problem and how to fix it? Thank you in advanced! Yeun-Jung Wu yjwu@phys.sinica.edu.tw Institute of Physics Academia Sinica Nankang, Taipei, 11529 Taiwan Republic of China
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Booting with broken internal drive Message-ID: <66264@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 10 Apr 93 01:46:24 GMT References: <gds.734272673@sun-3> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <gds.734272673@sun-3> gds@cs.uct.ac.za writes: > How do you boot your NeXTstation if the only device on which you have a > boot image went bust? you cant. > Would a friend with a NeXT be able to create a bootable floppy yes this is your best shot. get BootFloppy (or BootFloppy3_0) off the archives - its a shell script to build a bootable floppy. Everyone should have a bootable floppy as a last resort. its cheap insurance. Obviously backups are not enough. Its simple to make, takes just a few minutes. Do yourself a favor and make one now and stick it away on a shelf. -- --------------------------------------------------- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted
From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <1993Apr9.213303.9273@bluerose.com> Date: 9 Apr 93 21:33:03 GMT References: <1993Apr9.022556.6455@cs.yale.edu> Sender: m@bluerose.com Distribution: na Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. In article <1993Apr9.022556.6455@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > Hmmm, it's not often I'll dare to challenge M's technical knowledge, > but I'll claim that the T560i *can* do it. I base this claim on two facts: > 1) the manual lists a 1280x1024 @75kHz mode; 2) we've tried it on a SGI > Crimson/Elan that displays 1280x1024 @ 72kHz, and it worked fine. I must have read the specifications of a different Nanao monitor. I apologize for my carelessness. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Local BUS NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr9.230648.9545@bluerose.com> Date: 9 Apr 93 23:06:48 GMT References: <C57CCw.2BA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: m@bluerose.com Distribution: na Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. In article <C57CCw.2BA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes: > M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: > > >In article <1993Apr7.193539.1015@eps.com> uunet!eps!steve (Steve > >Kornreich) writes: > >> NSI, Looks faster than an EISA based SCSI card.. And further more, does > >anyone > >> know weather or not a motherboard with a ZIF socket can actually be > >upgraded to > >> the Pentium?? > > >That will work. > > Welllllll.. not quite. "the Pentium" infers the P5. The slot > included on most Intel 486 DX2 machines today will accept the P24T, > which has what they call "Pentium technology". In order to REALLY > use the Pentium's speed, they will need to redesign the motherboards > from the 486 designs (for various reasons). So, it will be sort of > like "Pentium-compatible" and faster than your current 486 DX2 but > not as fast as a real Pentium. Actually, there is an additional caveat: it must be a 238 pin socket. Some motherboards have 169 pin upgrade sockets (which are not compatible with the P24T). It is common to called motherboards with a 238 pin socket "Upgradable to Pentium" though as David correctly points out, it is not the chip that will be released in May with the name Pentium. The P24T has a 32 bit external data path, so it is really a PentiumSX in Intel-speak. My apologies for not being clearer the first time. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: kent@infoserv.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Printer on ethernet or PC??? Message-ID: <C58tx8.4G4@infoserv.com> Date: 10 Apr 93 01:10:19 GMT References: <1q2b9aINNc21@tamsun.tamu.edu> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting In article <1q2b9aINNc21@tamsun.tamu.edu> daugher@cs.tamu.edu(Walter C. Daugherity) writes: > How can we run our spiffy NeXT laser printers on PC's under NeXTSTEP 486 (other > than shipping files to a NeXT working as a print server)? > If somebody would come up with an ethernet interface for a NeXT printer I bet > it would sell. Actually it would be easier just to design a board to go into a PC that will drive the signals for the printer. There used to be a card that fit into a PC to hook up to a HP LJII that bypassed the controller in the printer. The signals out of that card looked quite a bit like the ones on a NeXT printer. > > -- > Walter C. Daugherity Internet, NeXTmail: daugher@cs.tamu.edu > Texas A & M University uucp: uunet!cs.tamu.edu!daugher > College Station, TX 77843-3112 BITNET: DAUGHER@TAMVENUS > ---Not an official document of Texas A&M--- -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Simple question on SCSI dat drives. Date: 10 Apr 1993 14:33:22 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <1q6lri$74t@ni.umd.edu> References: <1ptisdINNmlr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <1ptisdINNmlr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: >I'm interested in getting a tape back up unit for my NeXT and am contemplating a >DAT drive. What is to stop me getting any old DAT drive for the MAC and plugging >it into my NeXT. Then use one of the half dozen or so back up packages like >EnTAR or SaftyNet. That's a fine idea; exactly what I did. I ordered an Archive Python DAT drive from an APS ad in a Mac magazine. It works fine. >Yes I know that there are things called scsi drivers but I assume there is one on >the machine already. Ok I'm proberbally being increadably simplistic about it >all but its a good place to start. No other drivers are required. The existing versions of the NeXT operating system have SCSI tape drivers included. They work ok too. Louis Mamakos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bailey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (- -) Subject: Next Printer port -> non-Next Printer (possible??) Message-ID: <1993Apr10.222544.21553@news.acns.nwu.edu> Followup-To: me Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois. Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 22:25:44 GMT Is it POSSIBLE to use the Next printer port to connect a non-Next printer. 3.0 Printer mgr. "seems" to be set up to not allow this. Thanks, Bill (Back to the "Fine" manual..)
From: dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Problems with modem Date: 7 Apr 1993 14:34:51 GMT Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences Message-ID: <1puoqb$5t1@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> I am having trouble setting up my modem with my NeXT. I made an entry in the remote file. When I dial up the modem on the other end answers but tip never comes back with a connect, instead it types out RING and hangs up the connection... Any suggestions?? -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Donald F. Bora | If you put garbage in a computer The Institute for the Learning Sciences | nothing comes out but garbage. Northwestern University | But this garbage, having passed Evanston, Ill | through a very expensive machine, e-mail: dbora@ils.nwu.edu | is somehow ennobled and none dare work: (708) 467-1972 | criticize it... -/usr/bin/fortune --------Be excellent to each other--------
From: tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: PLI Floptical Date: 10 Apr 1993 20:12:14 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1q7nouINNkko@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu> Well, I've finally got my PLI Floptical, and it's hooked up to my cube. At first, I thought everything worked just fine, it recognizes the drive (w/wo) disk at bootup, reads IBM disks, Reads Mac HD,Floptical disks, (won't read DD mac disks though...:( ). But then I noticed a problem! It mounts Mac Flopticals as Read Only so I can't format them! When I stick in a odd-formated floptical..it just spits it out (presumbably because it can't read the format, and since it's read only it can't write another one to it). If I don't start up the drive with a normal disk in it, then all disks are mounted as read only as well! I guess it was nice to see the Apple CD-ROM icon appear in workspace, but now that I've seen it, I wish it'd go away! Anyway, I'm just looking for pointers as I have *no* idea about this sort of thing on UNIX. Just asking around the net before I pass the buck off to PLI (it's probably going to be late next week when I'm home during a time when I can call them). -- Ted Brown tbrown@cis.ohio-state.edu tbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: Practial Peripherals Modem/FAX Message-ID: <1993Apr11.011546.17011@venice.sedd.trw.com> Originator: verket@verket-home Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <9304081937.AA21956@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 01:15:46 GMT In article <9304081937.AA21956@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> brandenberg@gauss.enet.dec.com (Time is Money - Especially a Good Time) writes: > > Some months ago, I needed a modem *immediately* and a practical > peripherals was all that was available in the stores at hand. Now, > I would like to make some use of its fax capabilities. Can this > puppy be configured to work with the existing drivers or, if not, > with any currently available third-part app (NXFax)? If you are talking about the PM14400FXSA, Practical Peripherals just released an upgraded ROM for it that supports class II modem commands. The existing drivers and NXFax 1.03 still won't work with it however. The NXFax folks are aware of this modem and hopefully a future version of NXFax will support it. Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi From: pdg@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Guthrie) Subject: Archive Viper 150S Jumper Settings. Message-ID: <C5Aq8C.7pK@chinet.chi.il.us> Organization: The League of Crafty Hackers Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 01:45:47 GMT Could someone email me the jumper settings for this SCSI tape drive, please? I seem to have lost my manual. Specifically I need to know the jumper for bus parity enable/disable. Thanks in advance, Paul Guthrie -- Paul Guthrie paul@nsacray.chi.il.us or uunet!usorder!pdg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: michel@unomain.teaser.com Subject: NS/I compatible video card Message-ID: <1993Apr9.092748.546@unomain.uucp> Sender: michel@unomain.uucp (Michel Gutierrez) Organization: Matra Communication Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 09:27:48 GMT Is the hardware compatibility list for NS/I available somewhere or is it only given with the beta version ? In particular, I would like to know if a video encrustation card able to work at 1024x768 resolution, is available on a NS/I machine. Thanks -- ---------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: michel@unomain.teaser.com Phone: (33)1.34.60.87.48 Fax: (33)1.34.60.73.27
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi From: kenny@world.std.com (Kenneth R Crudup) Subject: Re: Archive Viper 150S Jumper Settings. Message-ID: <C5BKxs.L7u@world.std.com> Organization: Software Tool&Die, (Boston), MA References: <C5Aq8C.7pK@chinet.chi.il.us> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 12:49:02 GMT In article <C5Aq8C.7pK@chinet.chi.il.us> pdg@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Guthrie) says: >Could someone email me the jumper settings for this SCSI tape drive, >please? I called Archive (actually Maynard, I guess Archive bought them, 800-227-6296) about this last year, and they sent me a fax for the 2150S. Here goes: --------- --------- --------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 N/U CF2 ID2 2 DIA CF1 ID1 3 PE CF0 ID0 How to read this: Going down (cols) 1-3 are the rows, and the cols are pairs of jumpers. For example, to turn on Parity, you'd jumper together Pins 1-2 in col 3, which I also think maybe labeled "C". Here is the recommended default for ID=2 w/Parity: (O = No jumper, X = jumper) 1 O X O 2 O O X 3 X X O Archive tells me that the "CF" pins should be set at "5" to enable the biggest buffer, but their fax gives no breakdown. Hope this helps (the Net never closes, even on Easter Sunday!), -Kenny -- Kenny Crudup, Unix Systems Consultant kenny@world.std.com 16 Plainfield St. Jamaica Plain, (Boston), MA 02130-3633 Home +1 617 524 5929 Home Fax +1 617 983 9410 "...so you're my Uncle Joey....Better get used to those bars, kid!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Shared SCSI and mega-files Message-ID: <1993Apr11.174710.6611@moksha.uucp> Keywords: SCSI Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 17:47:10 GMT I have a friend doing image processing on a turbo cube w/ a NeXT Dimension board (beautiful !). He routinely generates scans to 80 Meg postscript files, which he converts to 200 Meg (or more; up to a gig !) tiff files. These have to be handed off to a Sun. Right now, he's NFS mounting a partition off the sun disk and moving the the tiff's by writing them to that partition. As you might imagine this can be slooow, because the files are so large. Is there any way to share a scsi drive between the NeXT and Sun so that both may access it directly ? Any other ideas you might have would be appreciated as well. Thanks, --- -Michael mgb@moksha.UUCP mgb@stetson.BITNET NeXT mail welcome ! -- -Michael
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: kramer@fragile.uucp (Mike Andrews) Subject: Archive Viper 2150S dump params (sizes) Message-ID: <C5Bv24.8y@fragile.uucp> Sender: kramer@fragile.uucp (Mike Andrews) Organization: Terminal Frost Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 16:27:40 GMT This, and the problem I had (but solved without asking) about fixed vs variable length blocks, should probably be in the FAQ (cough, cough)... (If it is, and I missed it, sorry, I feel dumb now :-) Anyway: This too has been asked before, but I didn't catch the answer -- What's the optimal parameters to dump (or gnutar) for an Archive Viper 2150S tape drive using DC6150 and DC6250 tapes? (I'm assuming 6250 (250mb) tapes work too, since a few came with the drive (used)...) The DC6150 tapes are 620 feet, the 6250's are 1020 feet. Somehow I don't think the default density is right, though... Makes for much less than 150mb tapes. Thanks... -- Mike Andrews root@fragile.uucp [NeXTmail OK] kramer@wittenberg.edu (school) "This guy's pretty bizarre, Gus." kramer@mik.uky.edu (hometown) -- Primus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) Subject: What are the dimensions of Turbo Cube SIMMs Message-ID: <abellC5Bxrw.36B@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: na Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 17:26:19 GMT My turbo upgrade was shipped Friday. The local retail prices look pretty good. Can I just go buy SIMMs, or do I need special ones? Thanks, Steve abell@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: Zacharias J. Beckman <zac@dolphin.com> Subject: Help - Installing "Permanent" CD-ROM Mount Point Message-ID: <1993Apr11.172947.614@dolphin.com> Sender: zac@dolphin.com Organization: Dolphin Software Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 17:29:47 GMT Help! Has anyone had success making a CD-ROM device mount permanently? I want to have access to the BANG CD-ROM without interruption by mounting it on our server's /LocalLibrary/CD directory. However, whenever someone logs in as root or reboots the machine, Bad Things happen: 1. After reboot, the CD has not been mounted, so the export is lost; I must manually login and do an export. 2. Once a user logs out (or sometimes logs in) on the server, they are prompted with a panel which says "Eject disk in external drive 4" (the CD-ROM drive). The CD is apparently unmounted at this point. What I've done so far to try and achieve the desired result: first, I have a mount command in rc.local, and I have NetInfo export the /LocalLibrary/CD directory. The mount command is: (mount -ot ro,removable,filesystem=CDROM cfs /dev/rsd4h /LocalLibrary/CD) & >/dev/console (All on one line, of course). Half the time this command doesn't seem to work. The other half it does, but the problems in #1 and #2 are encountered. I tried adding the CD to the fstab, but that doesn't seem to work either, for reasons which I don't understand. The server has NeXTSTEP 3.0 on it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail suggestions to me and I'll summarize on the net. Thanks in advance! -- Zacharias J. Beckman - Dolphin Software Inc. - zac@dolphin.com - use NeXTMAIL! To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy.... and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful. --- R. A. Heinlen Those opinions I express herein are my own, I'm fairly sure. --- Z. J. Beckman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) Subject: SCSI adaptor - HELP! Message-ID: <yikesC5C4pL.1so@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 19:56:09 GMT This question gets asked quite often, but since things may change... What SCSI adaptors are compatible with NS/I? I have a Compaq coming to me at work with a Compaq 32-bit SCSI adaptor. I need to find out if this is OK or should I get another card while I can. Thanks for any help. ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) -- ----
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,sci.electronics,comp.sun.hardware Subject: Horiz-Size expansion on SONY Color Monitors Date: 12 Apr 1993 01:46:05 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qahkt$fqp@agate.berkeley.edu> I have a few SONY Trinitron Color monitors (H-scan rate 64kHz) on which the horizontal raster size is too small even after adjustment of H-size trim pot inside. Does anyone know where the larger step H-size adjustment control is? Detail: If you open the cover of most SONY color monitors (H=64kHz, usually spec'ed 1280x1024 at 60Hz non-interlaced, e.g. GDM-1601), there are bunch of trim-pots on the left side of the monitor facing the CRT screen. These are accessible via holes on the plastic protective cover. One of these is "H Size", but turning this will not give you much of a range in expanding the H-scan size. There's got to be another control inside which sets the larger steps of H-scan size. Where is it? Liability Release: I am fully aware of the danger of opening color CRT displays, and am fully responsible for any consequences resulting from mucking around inside the displays. I or anyone else will not blame you for telling me where this adjustment is, even if I accidentally get electrocuted with 27kV inside. Please E-mail, if possible to <izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu> Thanks. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (David K. Drum) Subject: Re: Good Hard Disc ??? (A third related question) Message-ID: <16BAD12A06.UC512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: University of Missouri Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 02:11:34 GMT Hi, I'm looking for opinions on 200 - 400 MB external SCSI drives I could hook onto a Cube or NeXTStation color. Email replies will be summarized. Regards, David K. Drum uc512052@mizzou1.missouri.edu (no next mail, please)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) Subject: NS/FIP booting from multiple partitions Message-ID: <yikesC5Csr2.LBK@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 04:35:26 GMT I'll have a 486/66 on my desk in a week or so and need to install several OS's: DOS/Windows Win NT OS/2 Solaris NEXTSTEP The machine has a 1.5 gig drive and the original notion was to install the files needed at boot time on SyQuest 88meg cartridges and partition the drive to store apps/data - this was being done under the assumption that it was difficult (i.e., no one knows how) to boot under one of the operating systems at any given time. I'd just assume take advantage of NS/FIP's ability to choose one of the operating systems at boot time. Assuming I install Win NT, OS/2, Solaris and NEXTSTEP - is it possible to partition the disk, install the operating systems and choose the operating system at boot time? Thanks, ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) -- ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: death@kira.net.netcom.com (David John Burrowes) Subject: Maxtor 380mb drive scsi target settings... what are they Message-ID: <1993Apr10.195918.178@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: death@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 19:59:18 GMT I have a Maxtor 380mb drive (5.25", full height) which came with my cube. I'm trying to figure out what pins are used to set the scsi ID. The pins on the back could be represented as: .:: :::.: (the first actually has the single pin on the upper row, not lower) If I label these as: .:: :::.: ABC DEFGH What where do jumpers need to be to set the ID? I've found AB & C don't quite do it. But, I get almost as strange results if I do the following (I == a jumper) .:: I::.: ABC DEFGH .:: :I:.: ABC DEFGH .:: ::I.: ABC DEFGH In the first, I get SCSI ID 1 (as reported as the target # as the NeXT boots up). This looks like it would be using pins D-F as a binary-counting for 0-7. However, with a jumper on E, I get target 0, and a jumper on F gives me a target 0 as well. Does anyone know what magic combination would get me scsi id's other than 0 or 1? Thanks! \david john burrowes death@kira.net.netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: SCSI adaptor - HELP! Message-ID: <1993Apr11.231953.3153@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <yikesC5C4pL.1so@netcom.com> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 23:19:53 GMT In article <yikesC5C4pL.1so@netcom.com> yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) writes: > This question gets asked quite often, but since things may change... > > What SCSI adaptors are compatible with NS/I? I have a Compaq coming to > me at work with a Compaq 32-bit SCSI adaptor. I need to find out if > this is OK or should I get another card while I can. Thanks for any > help. Ask Compaq whether or not they are writing a NeXTSTEP driver for that card. NeXT isn't. In general, I would suggest that people try to buy machines with NS pre-installed. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: jk@tools.de (Juergen Keil) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CD_ROM drive compatibility Date: 12 Apr 93 17:27:01 GMT Organization: TooLs GmbH, Bonn, Germany Message-ID: <JK.93Apr12182701@leo.tools.de> References: <1ptdupINN35q@disc.coactive.com> In-reply-to: dan@coactive.com's message of 7 Apr 1993 02:23:21 GMT In article <1ptdupINN35q@disc.coactive.com> dan@coactive.com (dan hennage) writes: > Has anyone out there interfaced a Toshiba 3401E CD-ROM Drive to a NeXT? Yes, the 3401 works fine on a NeXT. The only problem is that volume control in the CDaudio player doesn't work (they use a 'vendor unique' scsi command (with vendor == Sony) to control the volume instead of the appropriate SCSI-2 mode page). To make use of the other features of the Toshiba drives (CDROM/XA, multisession and CD-DA reading), you'll need a special driver, though. -- Juergen Keil jk@tools.de ...!{uunet,mcsun}!unido!tools!jk
From: mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HP 9754 formatted with 1024-byte sectors? Date: 12 Apr 93 21:09:59 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <mfausett.734648999@kirin> Has anyone been able to format an HP9754 with 1K sectors? Got the scsitools vectors handy? I'd love to see them! Thanks!, Mark Fausett mfausett@bbn.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Muhrad Zeller) Subject: Re: NS/I compatible video card Message-ID: <OZHCB2W@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <1993Apr9.092748.546@unomain.uucp> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 20:47:37 GMT michel@unomain.teaser.com wrote: : Is the hardware compatibility list for NS/I available somewhere or : is it only given with the beta version ? : In particular, I would like to know if a video encrustation card : able to work at 1024x768 resolution, is available on a : NS/I machine. : Thanks Yes, there is. It was demoed on the Cebit fair in Hannover, Germany. It's called Screen Machine and works on any resolution. You can scale the video freely in contrast to the Next Dimension system. It is a true color overlay system for PAL and NTSC with 3 inputs - also S-video. There will also be an enhanced NXLiveVideoView available for programmers. This system seems to be more powerfull and faster than the ND. And also cheaper. But there's no video out option so far. You can get more information from interpersonal computing GmbH Oettingerstr. 4 8000 Munich 2 Germany or at info@interpc.de Pricing is not known yet, but will be <2000$. I think they'll also show it on the NW Expo. Hope this helps, Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-3400 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl Subject: A question for hardware guru's Message-ID: <1993Apr12.203305.11579@rna.indiv.nluug.nl> Sender: gerben@rna.indiv.nluug.nl (Gerben Wierda) Organization: G.R.O.S.S. Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 20:33:05 GMT I have a 25MHz 040 upgraded original cube with OD. Internally, it has a Maxtor 340MB drive (currently set to SCSI ID 2) Attached to it on the SCSI are: 1 DEC 3.5 inch 1GB drive (SCSI ID 1) (boot disk) 1 NeXT CD-ROM (SCSI ID 3) 1 PLI SuperFloppy 2.8 (SCSI ID 4) (SCSI Terminator on) in that order. This setup works fine. However, I do not use the Maxtor, and I want to move it into another machine. My questions are therefore: 1. What are exactly the things I have to do to remove the Maxtor and keep a working system? I am thinking about details I don't know anything about like SCSI termination and such. What cables do I detach and what do I leave in place? Etc. 2. Suppose I want to put the DEC inside my cube. How do I go about power, SCSI termination and such? Help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. --Gerben -- Gerben Wierda [NeRD:7539] Tel. (+31) 35 833539 "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there." From the Talmud(?), rephrased in Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: omihal@musecorp.musecorp.com (Ondro Mihal) Subject: Re: SCSI adaptor - HELP! Message-ID: <9304122149.AA06687@musecorp.musecorp.com> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 21:49:36 GMT In comp.sys.next.hardware article <yikesC5C4pL.1so@netcom.com> you wrote: > This question gets asked quite often, but since things may change... > > What SCSI adaptors are compatible with NS/I? I have a Compaq coming to me > at work with a Compaq 32-bit SCSI adaptor. I need to find out if this is OK > or should I get another card while I can. Thanks for any help. > > ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) > -- > ---- Only DPT EISA and ISA Adapted 1542B are fully supported. There will be additional drivers but for now NeXT is keeping those secret. My best guess is that your controller is not going to be supported for a long time. And I do not belive (from my sources at Compaq) that they are writting any drivers for NEXTSTEP, all drivers currently are being written by NeXT. Ondro Mihal omihal@musecorp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu (Jack &) Subject: Fimi going from "white" to YELLOW Message-ID: <1993Apr12.223043.28423@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: California State University, Sacramento Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 22:30:43 GMT NeXT users, I have a newly purchased color NeXT. Within 20 minutes of starting up, my monitor gets jittery in the color (between white and yellow) and then stabilizes on yellow. If I turn the monitor off and on, it stays yellow. If I power down and leave it off for a while, the whole process starts over again. Can it POSSIBLY be that one of the components is overy heat sensisitive? Have ANY of you ever heard of anything like this before. Its usable, but scary. I'd hate to live out my life with a real lemon :-( Jack Hodges, San Francisco State University
From: bohlkejh@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Jon H. Bohlke II) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: ImageWriter II and my NSC Date: 12 Apr 1993 22:50:06 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Message-ID: <1qcrmuINN4io@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Hi, I know that this has been talked about before, but is it possible to connect a ImageWriter II to a NeXTStation and have it work for line printer stuff. I have an Apple cable, should I use a straight serial cable instead? I looked for any info on this in the FAQ and could find nothing. Jon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mo@mg.stu.rpi.edu (Monish Gopinath) Subject: Printers? Message-ID: <m7p5c2@rpi.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 01:37:42 GMT Are they any laser printers other than the NeXT laser printer which works well with a NeXT station? Any in the $1000 range? Please reply directly. Thank you.
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Fimi going from "white" to YELLOW Date: 13 Apr 1993 07:26:25 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qdpv1$ab3@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Apr12.223043.28423@csus.edu> In article <1993Apr12.223043.28423@csus.edu> hodges@huckleberry.sfsu.edu (Jack &) writes: >NeXT users, > >I have a newly purchased color NeXT. Within 20 minutes of starting up, >my monitor gets jittery in the color (between white and yellow) and >then stabilizes on yellow. If I turn the monitor off and on, it stays >yellow. If I power down and leave it off for a while, the whole process >starts over again. It probably means that the BLUE video amp is acting up and goes out as the circuit warms up leaving Red + Green, whose mixture gives you yellow. It looks like you have to get it serviced. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: SCSI adaptor - HELP! Message-ID: <1993Apr13.034756.1295@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <9304122149.AA06687@musecorp.musecorp.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 03:47:56 GMT In article <9304122149.AA06687@musecorp.musecorp.com> omihal@musecorp.musecorp.com (Ondro Mihal) writes: > Only DPT EISA and ISA Adapted 1542B are fully supported. There will be > additional drivers but for now NeXT is keeping those secret. My best > guess is that your controller is not going to be supported for a long > time. And I do not belive (from my sources at Compaq) that they are > writting any drivers for NEXTSTEP, all drivers currently are being > written by NeXT. The Adaptec 1540B and 1542B are supported in PR1. These cards are discontinued. PR2 additionally supports the 1540C and 1542C. There are a number of concerns outside of NeXT that are using DriverKit to write NeXTSTEP drivers. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: omihal@musecorp.musecorp.com (Ondro Mihal) Subject: Re: SCSI adaptor - HELP! Message-ID: <9304131522.AA08610@musecorp.musecorp.com> Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 15:22:43 GMT In comp.sys.next.hardware article <1993Apr13.034756.1295@bluerose.com> you wrote: > In article <9304122149.AA06687@musecorp.musecorp.com> > omihal@musecorp.musecorp.com (Ondro Mihal) writes: > > Only DPT EISA and ISA Adapted 1542B are fully supported. There will be > > additional drivers but for now NeXT is keeping those secret. My best > > guess is that your controller is not going to be supported for a long > > time. And I do not belive (from my sources at Compaq) that they are > > writting any drivers for NEXTSTEP, all drivers currently are being > > written by NeXT. > > The Adaptec 1540B and 1542B are supported in PR1. These cards are > discontinued. PR2 additionally supports the 1540C and 1542C. > > There are a number of concerns outside of NeXT that are using DriverKit to > write NeXTSTEP drivers. > > M Carling > President, Bay Area NeXT Group You are correct in what "was there" and what "was planned" ... but: .. NeXT is not releasing PR2 (from what I hear) and I have no clue why they wrote drivers for old Adaptec controllers in the first place. Ondro Mihal omihal@musecorp.com
From: "Mike A. Hayward" <mh67+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Toshiba MK538FB 1200MB drive Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 11:46:26 -0400 Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <0fmi1Gm00WB71boV4E@andrew.cmu.edu> This is a SCSI 3.5 Half height (12ms) drive... the numbers are appealing to me. Does anyone know anything about the quality of Toshiba drives, or this one in specific? Also, when buying a scsi drive, do they usually come with enclosures and power supplies etc. or should one buy those things at the cheapest place and assemble the whole mess? - Mike (Please CC your reply to me via email if you post) ----------------------------------------------------------- Mike A. Hayward 412 422-8128 CMU Box #103 412 421-9095 4825 Frew Street Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kluge daniel) Subject: Re: Problems with modem Message-ID: <1993Apr13.155910.13146@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <1puoqb$5t1@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 15:59:10 GMT dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) writes: : I am having trouble setting up my modem with my NeXT. I made an entry in : the remote file. When I dial up the modem on the other end answers : but tip never comes back with a connect, instead it types out RING : and hangs up the connection... : : : Any suggestions?? Yup, tip relies on a "1" in the case of a connectin, this is the Original answer code (in those days where there was no MNP, V.42, V.Fast...) so my Modem is sending 17 (connect 38400), which I receive on the screen as: connectd <beep>7 So if tip says "Ring", it recieves some code similar to ring (numer. equivalent is 2 if I'm right), so U have to choices: a) Configure your Modem not to send any additional Statuscodes bye default (ATw0 or something like that) b) Use some other terminal-prg (that is what it do by now) like tip3 or kermit. : e-mail: dbora@ils.nwu.edu | is somehow ennobled and none dare : work: (708) 467-1972 | criticize it... -/usr/bin/fortune : --------Be excellent to each other-------- DUDE !! - daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/FIP booting from multiple partitions Message-ID: <55.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 09:37:57 PDT References: <yikesC5Csr2.LBK@netcom.com> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) > Message-ID: <yikesC5Csr2.LBK@netcom.com> > > I'll have a 486/66 on my desk in a week or so and need to install several OS's: > > DOS/Windows > Win NT > OS/2 > Solaris > NEXTSTEP > > The machine has a 1.5 gig drive and the original notion was to install the > files needed at boot time on SyQuest 88meg cartridges and partition the drive > to store apps/data - this was being done under the assumption that it was > difficult (i.e., no one knows how) to boot under one of the operating systems > at any given time. I'd just assume take advantage of NS/FIP's ability to > choose one of the operating systems at boot time. Assuming I install Win NT, > OS/2, Solaris and NEXTSTEP - is it possible to partition the disk, install the > operating systems and choose the operating system at boot time? > > Thanks, ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) OS/2 has dual boot options to switch to/from DOS, but I don't think it can do others. NEXTSTEP should be more flexible and boot any desired partition, DOS or otherwise. Someone (Sam Streeper?) posted something about booting NS, DOS, and OS/2 from one machine. I don't know about Solaris. I doubt WinNT feels other options are necessary. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: dwestner@ardbeg.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Toshiba MK538FB 1200MB drive Date: 13 Apr 1993 17:51:34 GMT Organization: Maths & C.S. Dept., Dundee University, Scotland, UK Message-ID: <1qeuj6$sh7@dux.dundee.ac.uk> References: <0fmi1Gm00WB71boV4E@andrew.cmu.edu> Mike A. Hayward (mh67+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: : This is a SCSI 3.5 Half height (12ms) drive... the numbers are : appealing to me. Does anyone know anything about the quality of : Toshiba drives, or this one in specific? : Also, when buying a scsi drive, do they usually come with enclosures : and power supplies etc. or should one buy those things at the cheapest : place and assemble the whole mess? I would like to know about that, too. I'm going to buy a scsi drive soon. Also I would like to know, what do they take in the states for it? Thanks Dominik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi From: timhu@ico.isc.com (Timothy Hu) Subject: Re: Archive Viper 150S Jumper Settings. Message-ID: <1993Apr12.222904.16470@ico.isc.com> Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO References: <C5Aq8C.7pK@chinet.chi.il.us> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 22:29:04 GMT In article <C5Aq8C.7pK@chinet.chi.il.us> pdg@chinet.chi.il.us (Paul Guthrie) writes: >Could someone email me the jumper settings for this SCSI tape drive, >please? I seem to have lost my manual. Specifically I need to >know the jumper for bus parity enable/disable. > Here are the jumper settings on the Archive 2150S: Look at the back of the unit such that the SCSI connector is toward the bottom and the power connector is to your left. You'll see a jumper block below the power connector. It is made up of 18 pins organized in three rows. Column pin Row 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . The first two columns deal with the OPERATION MODE: The first row jumpered means SERIAL mode The second row jumpered means DIAGNOSTIC mode The third row jumpered means PARITY ENABLE mode I have my unit jumpered for PARITY ENABLE Pin columns 3 and 4 deal with BUFFER DISCONNECT SIZE: Column pin Row 3 4 1 . . (CF2) 2 . . (CF1) 3 . . (CF0) Buffer Size jumper 2k 4k 6k 8k 12k 16k 24k 32k CF2 X X X X CF1 X X X X CF0 X X X X I have my unit jumpered for 32k Column pins 5 and 6 deal with SCSI ID: Column pin Row 5 6 1 . . (ID2) 2 . . (ID1) 3 . . (ID0) SCSI ID jumper 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ID2 X X X X ID1 X X X X ID0 X X X X My unit is SCSI ID 2 since most controllers look for boot devices at SCSI IDs 0 and 1 (at least in the PC world). Regards, Tim -- Timothy Hu timhu@ico.isc.com | The intelligence (or lack of) expressed Interactive Systems Corporation | above does not necessarily reflect Resource Solutions International | that of anyone else.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: SCSI adaptor - HELP! Message-ID: <1993Apr13.205754.11263@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <9304131522.AA08610@musecorp.musecorp.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 20:57:54 GMT In article <9304131522.AA08610@musecorp.musecorp.com> omihal@musecorp.musecorp.com writes: >In comp.sys.next.hardware article <1993Apr13.034756.1295@bluerose.com> you wrote: >> In article <9304122149.AA06687@musecorp.musecorp.com> >> omihal@musecorp.musecorp.com (Ondro Mihal) writes: >> > Only DPT EISA and ISA Adapted 1542B are fully supported. There will be >> > additional drivers but for now NeXT is keeping those secret. My best >> > guess is that your controller is not going to be supported for a long >> > time. And I do not belive (from my sources at Compaq) that they are >> > writting any drivers for NEXTSTEP, all drivers currently are being >> > written by NeXT. >> > >> The Adaptec 1540B and 1542B are supported in PR1. These cards are >> discontinued. PR2 additionally supports the 1540C and 1542C. >> There are a number of concerns outside of NeXT that are using DriverKit to >> write NeXTSTEP drivers. >> M Carling >> President, Bay Area NeXT Group > >You are correct in what "was there" and what "was planned" ... but: .. NeXT is >not eleasing PR2 (from what I hear) and I have no clue why they wrote drivers >for old Adaptec controllers in the first place. > >Ondro Mihal >omihal@musecorp.com It doesn't appear that you have good sources or that you have thought about this. The release with 1542C support should be out in may. And the drivers for 1542B were an unfortunate coincidence of timing. There are a lot of 1542Bs out there and the Cs have started replacing them in the last few months. I figure that Adaptec said "the 1542B and 1542C are totally compatable". But, they're not. So NeXT had the option of delaying the beta or requiring the old card. I was able to get one of the 1542Bs at a local dealer with little problem. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: NS/FIP booting from multiple partitions Message-ID: <1993Apr13.210114.11388@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <yikesC5Csr2.LBK@netcom.com> <55.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 21:01:14 GMT In article <55.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> pkron@corona.com writes: >> From: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) >> Message-ID: <yikesC5Csr2.LBK@netcom.com> >> >> I'll have a 486/66 on my desk in a week or so and need to install several OS's: >> >> << a bunch of operationg systems deleted >> >> >> The machine has a 1.5 gig drive and the original notion was to install the >> files needed at boot time on SyQuest 88meg cartridges and partition the drive >> to store apps/data - this was being done under the assumption that it was >> difficult (i.e., no one knows how) to boot under one of the operating systems >> at any given time. I'd just assume take advantage of NS/FIP's ability to >> choose one of the operating systems at boot time. Assuming I install Win NT, >> OS/2, Solaris and NEXTSTEP - is it possible to partition the disk, install the >> operating systems and choose the operating system at boot time? >> >> Thanks, ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) > >OS/2 has dual boot options to switch to/from DOS, but I don't think it can >do others. NEXTSTEP should be more flexible and boot any desired >partition, DOS or otherwise. Someone (Sam Streeper?) posted something about >booting NS, DOS, and OS/2 from one machine. > >I don't know about Solaris. I doubt WinNT feels other options are necessary. Realizing that everyone running NS/FIP has signed confidentiallity agreements... I have a machine with Windows3.1, Windows/NT and NS/FIP all running off of a single partitioned hard drive. I used NT to do the partitioning and NS/FIP boot loader to get the OS i want. It seems that the NT boot loader only works with 2 OS's but that could very easily be wrong. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
From: slv0y@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Printing WITH fonts automatically... Message-ID: <1993Apr13.143959.66145@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Apr 93 14:39:59 MDT Organization: Utah State University I remember seeing some discussion awhile back about how just printing a file does not download the fonts to the printer (nonNeXT), and you have to save a postscript file "for the specified printer w/fonts". Has anyone found a way around this? Is there ANY way to set the default for the print panel to download the fonts for the specified printer? This is a major pain having to save a postscript file, then send it off to the printer to be printed. Has anyone put together a nifty script that would say, any file saved into a certain directory get sent off automatically to the printer and then deleted? I am not much of a Unix guru, so I don't know how to acomplish this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. John sl05r@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) Subject: ND Cable Angst Message-ID: <abellC5G5yC.JMt@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: na Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 00:13:24 GMT OK, so I got one of the last ND boards, but I couldn't get a NeXT monitor. I read here about people using other brands of monitors. Great. But the ND came with this funky cable with weird connectors called 13W3. As far as I can tell, no other manufacturer uses them. I was advised that Fry's electronics carries adapters for these things, but the salespeople just scratched their heads and said, "Duh, gee, we dint never see nuthin like that before, mister." So where did all you non-NeXT-monitor users out there get *your* adapters? Thanks, Steve abell@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) Subject: slab and Zoom modem Message-ID: <oorient.734746715@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Summary: Has anyone used it? Keywords: modem zoom Sender: news@ucc.su.OZ.AU Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 00:18:35 GMT Has anyone used Zoom fax modem V.32 bis with a NeXT machine? If yes, I'd like to hear about experiences. Thanks, Piotr Palacz -- Julian Edwards Senior Consultant Object Oriented Pty Ltd PO Box 1826
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) Subject: Re: ND Cable Angst Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 01:08:43 GMT Message-ID: <timm.734749723@zaphod> Distribution: na References: <abellC5G5yC.JMt@netcom.com> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes: >OK, so I got one of the last ND boards, but I couldn't get a NeXT monitor. >I read here about people using other brands of monitors. Great. >But the ND came with this funky cable with weird connectors called 13W3. >As far as I can tell, no other manufacturer uses them. >I was advised that Fry's electronics carries adapters for these things, >but the salespeople just scratched their heads and said, >"Duh, gee, we dint never see nuthin like that before, mister." >So where did all you non-NeXT-monitor users out there get *your* adapters? For about the kajillionth time (it's okay Steve, I had hoped this would be in the FAQ eventually, and it never made it, but not like it matters, people would still ask without bothering to look at the FAQ)...it's easiest to make your own. Actually, NX isn't the only one who's use(d) the 13W3's...they've become quite popular. In any case, assuming you have the Y-cable, one end to the Sound Box, one end to the monitor, you can buy an <anything> to BNC RGB cable, and then you simply need to go to Radio Shack (or Fry's) and get the mate for the <anything> connector, cut the NX Y cable in two, on the video side (NOT the Sound Box side...I made that mistake once, had to get two additional connectors :-). Then, solder the mate connector you just bought onto the video cable end, plug it into your <anything>-BNC cable, and you're set. The wrapped blue/brown wires inside the video portion of the NX cable need not pass through, but you should definitely keep the ground. Er, I've already made 4 of these cables (long story). I usually use DB9's, and DB9-BNC cables aren't hard to find. -- Tim McClarren | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks." timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: other uses for NSC memory ? Message-ID: <1993Apr14.035509.3164@moksha.uucp> Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 03:55:09 GMT I've got some extra 1 Meg NSC 72 pin simms. Can they be used in any other (non-NeXT) systems ? --- -Michael mgb@moksha.UUCP mgb@stetson.BITNET NeXT mail welcome ! -- -Michael
From: ohara@leland.Stanford.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Apple CD300 CR-ROM with NeXT? Date: 14 Apr 1993 04:37:44 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <1qg4eo$l2v@morrow.stanford.edu> Hi, Does Apple's CD300 CD-ROM drive work well with NeXT? Any comments are welcome. Thank you. ohara@leland.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd) Subject: Re: Toshiba MK538FB 1200MB drive Message-ID: <1993Apr14.062100.13928@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York References: <0fmi1Gm00WB71boV4E@andrew.cmu.edu> <1qeuj6$sh7@dux.dundee.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 06:21:00 GMT In <1qeuj6$sh7@dux.dundee.ac.uk> dwestner@ardbeg.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) writes: >Mike A. Hayward (mh67+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: >: This is a SCSI 3.5 Half height (12ms) drive... the numbers are >: appealing to me. Does anyone know anything about the quality of >: Toshiba drives, or this one in specific? >: Also, when buying a scsi drive, do they usually come with enclosures >: and power supplies etc. or should one buy those things at the cheapest >: place and assemble the whole mess? >I would like to know about that, too. I'm going to buy a scsi drive >soon. Also I would like to know, what do they take in the states for it? >Thanks >Dominik I have one in my slab... it formatted to 1117 megs. It's quiet during operation, fairly noisy during seeks (eg: read/writes cause a fairly loud crisp disk-ish noise, but no "whine" like I've heard other drives making during normal running operation) I'm very happy with it. I paid $1414 including next-day air for mine from East Coast Electronics. I put it into an old Mac HD case and attached it externally first; I then formatted it and copied the whole 3.0 CD to it. Then I just took it out of the case, set the SCSI ID to 0 with the jumpers, and put it into the Slab. It Just Works. Does not come with: case, power supply, extensive documentation (just a leaflet with the SCSI codes for different machines, and what the jumpers do), cabling, instructions, fig leaf -- John Todd | University of Rochester, Rochester NY USA Earth Milky Way CPU 276686 | "Charracter is whata you arre ina the dark!" - E. Lizardo Rochester NY 14627| Jeeps Bought/Sold * Dictators Overthrown * Bombs Defused jtod@alora.cc.rochester.edu (NeXT mail) jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: HP LaserJet 4Si MX experiences with NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Apr14.014951.4899@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 01:49:51 GMT Has anyone successfully used this type of printer with NeXT hardware? If so, can you comment on how plug-and-play it is when connected to a NeXT network. Are the multiple input trays accessible from the NeXT print panel? How does the throughput compare to just using a regular NeXT laser printer? I'm interested in the multiple tray capability, but if using the printer is a hassle, or if it is too expensive, it may be easier to just buy 2 NeXT printers instead. Any words of wisdom from users? John Bartley john@wpa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: SCSI adaptor - HELP! Message-ID: <1993Apr13.192915.3364@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <9304131522.AA08610@musecorp.musecorp.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 19:29:15 GMT In article <9304131522.AA08610@musecorp.musecorp.com> omihal@musecorp.musecorp.com (Ondro Mihal) writes: > You are correct in what "was there" and what "was planned" ... but: .. > NeXT is not releasing PR2 (from what I hear) and I have no clue why they > wrote drivers for old Adaptec controllers in the first place. The reason why NeXT wrote drivers for the B series Adaptec cards is that the C series cards were not available at the time. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: UUCICO interrupts phone calls on ZyXEL Message-ID: <1993Apr13.185558.3030@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 18:55:58 GMT Sender: clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com Organization: GiantLeap Software I have a ZyXEL modem and am running the standard uucp which comes with NeXTs. I run uucico every 15 minutes in case there are outgoing jobs. I only have one line (I use distinctive ring). If I'm in a conversation and uucico runs when there are jobs in the queue, my phone will cut off as the modem is attempted to be dialed via uucico. My solution is to position my finger on the Data/Voice key and push it as soon as I get cut off. This gets me back to voice, but its an annoyance to a) have to do this, b) loose words of my conversation. Does anybody have a fix for this? I know I can tip into the modem to lock it, but its there a more elegant solution? Thanks, Charles. --- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 363-0887 (713) 363-0936 (fax) -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 363-0887 (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ed@talus.com Subject: Re: What are the dimensions of Turbo Cube SIMMs Message-ID: <1993Apr14.141828.249@talus.com> Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation References: <abellC5Bxrw.36B@netcom.com> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 14:18:28 GMT In article <abellC5Bxrw.36B@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes: > My turbo upgrade was shipped Friday. > The local retail prices look pretty good. > Can I just go buy SIMMs, or do I need special ones? > > Thanks, > > Steve abell@netcom.com Look at the FAQ for SIMMS. I believe you can buy SIMMS almost anywhere as long as they are "72 pins non-parity for NeXT cmptr" I am not sure I can give you my best address in that newsgroup, so maybe e-mail me back... Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" · Talus Corporation We are so very far from home. All of us.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.hardware From: mike@macadam.com Subject: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Message-ID: <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com> Sender: mike@macadam.com Organization: MACadam NeXT Sales and Support (415) 863-6222. Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 21:02:42 GMT Hi, I am a freshman in college and can't decide whether to major in computer engineering or computer science. Any advice or suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tomh@halcyon.com (Thomas P. Hicks) Subject: Scanner for NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Apr14.151009.1984@nwnexus.WA.COM> Sender: sso@nwnexus.WA.COM (System Security Officer) Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service +1 206 382 MAIL (382-6245) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 15:10:09 GMT Looking for a scanner that will work with a NeXTStation Turbo. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Tom tomh@halcyon.com ..
From: yongwon@cs.pitt.edu (Yongwon Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: hardware for upgrading 68030 Cube Message-ID: <19578@pitt.UUCP> Date: 14 Apr 93 16:43:22 GMT Sender: news@cs.pitt.edu Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Where can I get the hardware (68040 boards) to upgrade 68030-based cube ? I've called the NeXT, and they had no idea. Can someone help me ? Y. Lee yongwon@cs.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) Subject: Will Quantum Drive Work? Message-ID: <1993Apr13.145908.29729@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 14:59:08 GMT I've been looking for an external drive to upgrade disk space on one of our NeXTstations. I've located a Quatum 525 drive sold by LaCie in Oregon, under the product name Quantum Cirrus 525, for $1095, which seems like a very good price. My main question is: will it work with our NeXTstations. The drive is cased for a Macintosh, so it has DB/25 connectors. So, I'm wondering if all I need to make this work will be a custom cable (mini50(NeXT) to DB/25(Quantum525)). The only thing that Quantum Tech Support can tell me is that their drive works with a Sun Sparcstation. they cannot answer NeXT questions (no surprise, unfortunately). More questions: Will the Quantum need more than a custom cable? Will I have to change dip switches, etc, for anything other than scsi address resolution problems (if any). Will it be difficult to format, or will NeXT's Builddisk app "just work." Does BuildDisk require any special parameters that I need to find out about (so far, I know the numbero of cylinders, heads, sectors, and rpm). I don't see anything like this in the SCSIDisks.RFT documentation. Or, do you recommend another drive solution that is as cheap. Any information or pointers appreciated. Thanks for sharing any experiences, Phil -- G. Philippe Menos gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571
From: mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Looking for NeXT 648 meg (HP 97548) drive settings Date: 14 Apr 93 18:44:30 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <mfausett.734813070@kirin> Summary: Looking for output from scsitools "sense" on a NeXT-supplied 648M drive Keywords: scsitools sense mode random thought Back in the good old days, when NeXT still made hardware, one of the drives they shipped with the Cubes was an HP 97548S. I've managed to come by one of these beasts; it attaches and works fine, except it's a wee bit slow (like HALF the speed of a 340M CDC Wren6). The drive used to be attached to a Mac; I'm wondering if I can speed it up by reformatting with settings more appropriate to the NeXT -- Would some kind soul who has one of these send me the output from scsitool's "sense" command? Perhaps even send sage wisedom. I've been trying to get info on the drive from HP, but they've been singularly unhelpful. Thanks! Mark Fausett mfausett@bbn.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: csmith@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Christian Smith) Subject: Ethernet Cards for NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Apr14.191243.4378@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:12:43 GMT Does anybody know of any company that manufactures an ethernet card that will work in a NeXT Cube? I am interested in setting up the NeXT in my office as a gateway, and need to be able to put a second ethernet card in it to do this. Please respond via email to csmith@gmuvax2.gmu.edu Thanks, Chris Smith
From: ed@talus.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NewGen Printers Message-ID: <1993Apr14.181113.1335@talus.com> Date: 14 Apr 93 18:11:13 GMT Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation Has anyone successfully used these printers with NeXT hardware? If so, can you comment on how plug-and-play it is when connected to a NeXT ? Thanks in advance, Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" 7 Talus Corporation We are so very far from home. All of us.
From: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/FIP booting from multiple partitions Message-ID: <1993Apr14.202241.105419@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 14 Apr 93 20:22:41 GMT References: <yikesC5Csr2.LBK@netcom.com> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo In article <yikesC5Csr2.LBK@netcom.com> yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) writes: > I'll have a 486/66 on my desk in a week or so and need to install several OS's: > > DOS/Windows > Win NT > OS/2 > Solaris > NEXTSTEP > > The machine has a 1.5 gig drive and the original notion was to install the > files needed at boot time on SyQuest 88meg cartridges and partition the drive > to store apps/data - this was being done under the assumption that it was > difficult (i.e., no one knows how) to boot under one of the operating systems > at any given time. I'd just assume take advantage of NS/FIP's ability to > choose one of the operating systems at boot time. Assuming I install Win NT, > OS/2, Solaris and NEXTSTEP - is it possible to partition the disk, install the > operating systems and choose the operating system at boot time? > > Thanks, ...Michael Brill (yikes@netcom.com) > -- > ---- One thing to keep in mind is that (from what I've heard) the is a max of four partitions. My guess is that they have assigned 2 bits somewhere to represent these. You might be able to create sub-partitions under one of the other OS's. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: slv0y@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: How much weight can a slab take? Message-ID: <1993Apr14.141335.66198@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Apr 93 14:13:35 MDT Organization: Utah State University I recently purchased a few Nanao Flexscan F750i (21") monitors for my TurboColor slabs. (I will post a review of them as soon as I get them all set up and working). What I want to know is, how much weight can be put on the top of a slab? The Nanao is a very large, and heavy monitor, while I realize the slab isn't made like the normal PC box, just how much weight can it take? I won't want to come in one day to see the top of my slab caved in. Thanks for the info... John sl05r@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) Subject: Re: Toshiba MK538FB 1200MB drive Message-ID: <1993Apr14.154807.25860@pencom.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (News system) Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated References: <1qeuj6$sh7@dux.dundee.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 15:48:07 GMT > Mike A. Hayward (mh67+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: > : This is a SCSI 3.5 Half height (12ms) drive... the numbers are > : appealing to me. Does anyone know anything about the quality of > : Toshiba drives, or this one in specific? > > : Also, when buying a scsi drive, do they usually come with enclosures > : and power supplies etc. or should one buy those things at the cheapest > : place and assemble the whole mess? I asked a few months back about this drive and then summarized the results (which were pretty good). Then I bought one. It installed just fine and works great. It's a little noisy doing seeks, but not real bad. The only problem I had was that the included instructions had a diagram of the drive which would mislead as to which way is up and which way is forward. The circuit board goes on the BOTTOM and the connector is in the BACK just like any other drive, regardless of how the picture looks. Overall, I am real happy with this drive. Except that a week after I got it, I only had 100mb left! I guess lots of 44khz stereo soundbytes, thousands of gif images and all the documentation on the MonoLib CD will do that,,, -- Patrick Hester ph@pencom.com (212) 513-7777 NeXT Mail OK =8(\/\)
From: jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 25 mhz speedup to 33 mhz - Possible for Macs, why not NeXT? Summary: Can I make my 25mhz machine a 33 with mods? Keywords: mhz, 68040, NeXT, clock rate, snoogums Message-ID: <1993Apr14.222813.28023@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Date: 14 Apr 93 22:28:13 GMT Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York I know that I have heard a lot of noise on the Mac front about putting a different crystal into 68030 machines ('40 machines?) to speed them up from 25mhz to 33 mhz. The theory is this: Motorola knows that some of the chips that they make are not able to handle a 33 mhz clock speed, but ALL of them will be able to handle a 25 mhz speed, thus the reason for the old NeXT '40s to be 25mhz. Now, on the Mac, as far as I am able to discern from the postings there, all one has to do is insert a different crystal for clock rate, and presto! a 33mhz machine if you got one of the good chips that handles the 33 adequately. Question: Is it possible to change the crystal on my NeXTStation from 25 to 33 and get a $4 Turbo system? Interesting and very appealing... would it screw up any of the other systems on the Slab? Does the DSP rely on an internal or at least another crystal for clock timing? Hmmm? Hmmm? -- John Todd | University of Rochester, Rochester NY USA Earth Milky Way CPU 276686 | "Charracter is whata you arre ina the dark!" - E. Lizardo Rochester NY 14627| Jeeps Bought/Sold * Dictators Overthrown * Bombs Defused jtod@alora.cc.rochester.edu (NeXT mail) jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) Subject: ATI Ultra Graphics for NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr15.000444.768@eps.com> Sender: steve@eps.com Organization: Electronic Publishing Services Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 00:04:44 GMT Does anyone have an opinion about the ATI Ultra Pro for NSI? Do you think the EISA version is faster than the V-LocalBus version. Theres seems to be a lot of "hipe" right now on VLB. Just wanted to know if it is justified.. Steve Kornreich steve@eps.com
From: tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu (Jonathan Hendry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 25 mhz speedup to 33 mhz - Possible for Macs, why not NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Apr15.020734.14902@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> Date: 15 Apr 93 02:07:34 GMT References: <1993Apr14.222813.28023@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@netnews.noc.drexel.edu Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci. John "Jeep" Todd (jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu) wrote: : Question: Is it possible to change the crystal on my NeXTStation from 25 to : 33 and get a $4 Turbo system? Interesting and very appealing... would it : screw up any of the other systems on the Slab? Does the DSP rely on an : internal or at least another crystal for clock timing? Hmmm? Hmmm? I asked the same thing a while back. Never heard anything, though. One definite problem is that (at least in my cube) the clock is 100MHz. There must be a divide-by 4 in there for the CPU. Finding clock crystals that fast isn't as easy as finding a 33MHz one. I know Digi-Key doesn't have any. You'd have to get a 132MHz crystal, at least. I only saw one crystal last time I checked. That could cause problems, especially with the networking. Also, the computer would still think it was a 25, so timing might get messed up in other ways. I'd still like to try it. Tell me if you find a source for high speed crystals. -- Jonathan W. Hendry Drexel University College Of Info. Studies tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu "The experience of programming Windows vs. the experience of programming NeXTStep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs. going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w/some nitrous-oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things." bbum@stone.co
From: ti6ls@tuhhco.rz.tu-harburg.de (Ludger Solbach) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: reading audio data from Python DAT-Archive? Message-ID: <ti6ls.734807435@tuhhco> Date: 14 Apr 93 17:10:35 GMT Sender: usenet@rztsun.rz.tu-harburg.de I read this is possible. Is there any software available to support this feature? Thanks in advance, Ludger.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward) Subject: Adding mono screen to ND Message-ID: <C5IBG6.1Hq@ms.uky.edu> Sender: news@ms.uky.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:07:17 GMT Here's my plan...Haven't tried it yet...but if anyone has any comments before I do... I have a "new" Turbo cube with a ND board...This is the only graphics I have on the system...This is one of the fancy ADB type gadgets...now I have an old, non-adb style mono monitor...now I discovered that the mono signal should be on pin 10 of the DB-19 connector, and in fact, inside the soundbox there is a phono (RCA) connector for the mono video...no it'd be easy to hack that out in to the old mono monitor...I think...now will this work and give me the ability to setup a dual-screen system...at first I thought, of course it will, but well, now that I think about it...what is telling the system that there is only one screen now? Something must clue it in as to the status (e.g. soundbox or real mono-monitor)..but what? Any hints appreciated. -- John Soward \ 'Across yonder oceans the natives are fierce University of Kentucky \ Their ears are filled and their teeth are pierced' soward@inslab.uky.edu \ -- The Church, Priest=Aura
From: seo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (seo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Disk Drives? Message-ID: <SEO.93Apr15011824@louie.cc.utexas.edu> Date: 15 Apr 93 08:18:24 GMT Distribution: comp Organization: The University of Texas at Austin I've looked through the FAQ's and a file from sonata about disk drives and all these sources seems to be outdated. I'm in the market for a SCSI hard disk and I'm confused with the wide variety of prices that I find in Computer Shopper. My question are: 1) are the drives that are used for PC's drastically different for the NeXT? I'm aware that we have external SCSI and a different bus structure. 2) why are SCSI disks for the Mac generally more expensive? 3) why are the hard disks listed in information file from sonata priced so high? Confused, Mike Seo seo@cyndy.ece.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.next.hardware From: Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim Brownfield) Subject: Should I trash my ZyXEL, or Intel? Message-ID: <1993Apr15.034153.7916@Radical.Com> Sender: jbrow@Radical.Com Organization: Radical System Solutions, Inc. Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 03:41:53 GMT We communicate between two of our sites (located in CO and CA) using UUCP (between two NeXT's), a ZyXEL U-1496E modem (in CA), and an Intel 14.4EX modem (the Intel has part number PCEM72144F, which is supposed to be an Intel 14.4EXF, but go figure... -- if anybody knows the difference between the 14.4EX and the 14.4EXF, enquiring minds want to know! B-) ) We have consistently had trouble talking to the Intel modem with the ZyXEL modem (the Intel used to be at a site in AZ). We usually cannot send anything to CO that takes longer than about 10 minutes. The connection usually drops between 5 and 15 minutes. We ran an experiment between the ZyXEL and an internal 14.4 modem on a PC (and a public domain UUCP program). It worked perfectly on a file that the ZyXEL/Intel combination had consistently failed to transfer. The CO site downloaded a program from the Intel BBS to upgrade the Intel's internal flashprom from version 5.0 to 5.2, but it did not seem to make significant difference in the performance. We have checked and rechecked the configurations, but we have found nothing that we believe accounts for the behavior of the modems. I am posting here in hopes of finding that person(s) who says "Oh yeah! We had that problem, and the solution is... (burn the Intel..., take a hammer to the ZyXEL..., go sit on a mountain in Tibet for three months, come back and tell me what the answer is..., etc.)" Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Jim Brownfield (Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com) NeXTmail accepted Radical System Solutions, Inc. rad i cal \'rad-i-kel\ n -- a basic principle: FOUNDATION
From: root@sent5.uni-duisburg.de (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 35 feet NeXT printer cable ??? Date: 15 Apr 1993 07:24:14 GMT Organization: Universitaet Duisburg GH Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qj2iuINN4kf@unidui.uni-duisburg.de> Hi folks, We tried to connect our NeXT printer with a 35 feet long cable. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. What shall we do? Is it necessary to take a cable with shielding each wire? Must we develop an interface with buffers? Who has experience? Thanks Wolfgang Kruell
From: root@sent5.uni-duisburg.de (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 35 feet NeXT printer cable ??? Date: 15 Apr 1993 07:46:57 GMT Organization: Universitaet Duisburg GH Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qj3thINN52m@unidui.uni-duisburg.de> Hi folks, We tried to connect our NeXT printer with a 35 feet long cable. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. We've got several unknown error messages. What shall we do? Is it necessary to take a special cable, e.g. shielding each wire? Or must we develop an interface with buffers? Who knows something about the signals of the NeXT printer connector? Who has experience with this kind of problems? Thanks Wolfgang Kruell
From: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Message-ID: <36973@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Date: 14 Apr 93 22:52:21 GMT References: <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com> Sender: news@cs.arizona.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.software Distribution: usa Organization: Organization? We don't need no steenking organization! Discliamer: Upon my being captured or killed, my professors will disavow any knowledge of me, my statements, and/or my mission. In article <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com>, Citizen mike@macadam.com writes : >Hi, > >I am a freshman in college and can't decide whether to major in computer >engineering or computer science. Any advice or suggestions will be >appreciated. It's as simple as this: Are you a geek or a nerd? If you're a nerd, go into Computer engineering, else go into Computer science. I myself am a geek, but I know many enginerds. Okay, a bit more seriously. (I'm actually a counselor for the CS department, so you can almost trust what I'm gonna say...) The one major question is: Do you care how the computer works? What is more interesting, the chips, circuits, hard drives, etc., or the code on top of all of that nasty silcon that makes the box do more than suck up power and blow dust? I, myself, do not care how the MC68000 series works or how many cycles it will take a Pipe-lined Cray with hazard detection to do a MULTF. Somehow, that stuff doesn't grab me. So I program. Sure, Computer engineers do program, but in my opinion, they're just not as good as us Computer science majors. :) |--------------------------------| "NOTE TO FASHION VICTIMS: | J. Taggart Gorman Jr. | If you think, 'Hey I'm grunge!' | jtgorman@caslon.cs.arizona.edu | - you're not." |--------------------------------| Comedy Channel's Reality Check
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: 25 mhz speedup to 33 mhz - Possible for Macs, why not NeXT? Message-ID: <1993Apr15.012624.1796@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Keywords: mhz, 68040, NeXT, clock rate, snoogums Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Apr14.222813.28023@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 01:26:24 GMT In article <1993Apr14.222813.28023@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd) writes: > >I know that I have heard a lot of noise on the Mac front about putting a >different crystal into 68030 machines ('40 machines?) to speed them up from >25mhz to 33 mhz. The theory is this: Motorola knows that some of the chips >that they make are not able to handle a 33 mhz clock speed, but ALL of them >will be able to handle a 25 mhz speed, thus the reason for the old NeXT '40s >to be 25mhz. Now, on the Mac, as far as I am able to discern from the >postings there, all one has to do is insert a different crystal for clock >rate, and presto! a 33mhz machine if you got one of the good chips that >handles the 33 adequately. The mac this is normally done with is the IIsi which is a cheapened version of the IIci. The circuit design was a direct rip off of the more expensive box. As a result, it has the timing margins to handle the upgrade. Non Turbo machines running the old Nx8 SIMMS were never designed to run any faster. In addition any cube with the OD controller is probably maxed out. All 8 SIMM slot NSCs were designed with the original NS cicruitry. So , they are out also. Now, late mode, 25MHz 4 SIMM slot slabs, with turbo memory probably have the same circuitry as their turbo cousins. It might work. But, you run a good chance of frying the machine while doing the mod. And, with NeXT out of the HW buisness, you have to ask yourself if its worth it. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Graphics for NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr15.012707.1892@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <1993Apr15.000444.768@eps.com> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 01:27:07 GMT In article <1993Apr15.000444.768@eps.com> steve@eps.com writes: >Does anyone have an opinion about the ATI Ultra Pro for NSI? Do you think the >EISA version is faster than the V-LocalBus version. Theres seems to be a lot of >"hipe" right now on VLB. Just wanted to know if it is justified.. VESA is faster the EISA. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Scanner for NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Apr15.033616.3171@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr14.151009.1984@nwnexus.WA.COM> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 03:36:16 GMT In article <1993Apr14.151009.1984@nwnexus.WA.COM> tomh@halcyon.com (Thomas P. Hicks) writes: > > Looking for a scanner that will work with a NeXTStation Turbo. Look at HSD scanners. info@hsd.com M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: How much weight can a slab take? Message-ID: <1993Apr15.034732.3283@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr14.141335.66198@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 03:47:32 GMT In article <1993Apr14.141335.66198@cc.usu.edu> slv0y@cc.usu.edu writes: > I recently purchased a few Nanao Flexscan F750i (21") monitors for my > TurboColor slabs. (I will post a review of them as soon as I get them > all set up and working). What I want to know is, how much weight can be > put on the top of a slab? The Nanao is a very large, and heavy monitor, > while I realize the slab isn't made like the normal PC box, just how > much weight can it take? I've seen them used with Ikegami monitors, and those weigh 95lbs. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rpowers@batph96.bnr.ca (Richard Powers) Subject: Re: What's a good non-NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <1993Apr15.133449.29751@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Sender: news@bmerh85.bnr.ca (Usenet News) Organization: BNR ATP, Atlanta Ga References: <1993Apr9.022556.6455@cs.yale.edu> <1993Apr9.213303.9273@bluerose.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 13:34:49 GMT In article <1993Apr9.213303.9273@bluerose.com>, M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: |> In article <1993Apr9.022556.6455@cs.yale.edu> |> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: |> > Hmmm, it's not often I'll dare to challenge M's technical knowledge, |> > but I'll claim that the T560i *can* do it. I base this claim on two |> facts: |> > 1) the manual lists a 1280x1024 @75kHz mode; 2) we've tried it on a SGI |> > Crimson/Elan that displays 1280x1024 @ 72kHz, and it worked fine. |> |> I must have read the specifications of a different Nanao monitor. I |> apologize for my carelessness. |> |> M Carling |> President, Bay Area NeXT Group I have been using a Nanao T560i with a NeXT Dimension board for about a year - it works great. My only (minor) complaint is that the horizontal display size adjustment is maxed out about a half inch short the edge of the screen. Most people don't notice it, and the HP workstation I am writing this on does the same thing. Other than that, the T560i is fantastic, and I highly recommend it. -Richard BNR Atlanta
From: haugelan+@pitt.edu (John C Haugeland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: slab and Zoom modem Keywords: modem zoom Message-ID: <8952@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 15 Apr 93 13:53:07 GMT References: <oorient.734746715@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <oorient.734746715@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) writes: > >Has anyone used Zoom fax modem V.32 bis with a NeXT machine? >If yes, I'd like to hear about experiences. >Thanks, > >Piotr Palacz >-- >Julian Edwards >Senior Consultant >Object Oriented Pty Ltd >PO Box 1826
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: b_brottier@cubx.com Subject: Scanners for NeXTSTEP/FIP Message-ID: <1993Apr15.085114.29282@cubx.fdn.org> Sender: news@cubx.fdn.org Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France. Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:51:14 GMT Hi Netters ! I'm looking for informations about scanners availables on NS/FIP. Do the differents hw supplyers port their drivers on NS/FIP ? Thanx for any help or pointers ! Cheers BB --------------------------- Bruno Brottier -- Responsable Formation -- Training Manager Societe improve sa, 41-41 bis, avenue de l'Europe - 78140 VELIZY - FRANCE Tel : (+33) (1) 30 70 60 56 Fax : (+33) (1) 30 70 89 36 E-mail: b_brottier@cubx.com -- [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Subject: Floppy Boot Problems Message-ID: <1993Apr15.144211.6156@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:42:11 GMT HELP !!! I purchased a NeXT 030 cube last year. It was still running NeXTSTEP Release 1.0. I then bought the Release 3 operating system and a CD drive to load it. Then the problems started. This first thing I found out that no one told me when I bought the Release 3 OS was that I needed a floppy disk drive to load the software. It took a while and two vendors but I finally got everything that I currently THINK I need. I hooked everything up as follows: SCSI cable from the NeXT to the CD drive. Daisy chain SCSI cable from the CD drive to the floppy disk drive. CD drive is at address 6. Floppy drive is at address 4. The floppy drive has a termination switch and it is set to on. I then tried to boot the software. I used the boot rom and the command "bsd(1,0,0)sdmach rootdev=sd1". To this I have gotten three different responses. One is that it times out and eventually prints the message: no SCSI disk The second is that I get the series of messages: Bad version 0xf0f0f0f0 Bad cksum Bad cksum Bad cksum Bad label The third response only happened once. It was stuck in a loop printing out some message over and over. The message started with "sc:" but I cannot remember the rest of the message. It had something to do with being unable to locate the device. Also, if I try to boot from the floppy without putting the diskette in, I get the following message: booting SCSI target 4, lun 0 waiting for drive to come ready It then continues to print dots until I insert the diskette. Apparently it knows the drive is there and can sense media present. Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong? I took the CD ROM and the floppy diskette along with the floppy drive to the representative of the CONE user group at Ohio State. He tried it on his 040 system and determined that the drive worked and he was able to read the files from the floppy. He also booted from the floppy. Please tell me I have not reached a dead end! Since this problem is not a general one but is specific to my system, please send responses through email. Thanks in advance for all help. -- __________ | jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Real programmers don't write in Basic. Actually, no `---- | programmers write in Basic after the age of 12.
From: Alex Raftis Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Graphics for NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr15.164542.122842@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: 15 Apr 93 16:45:42 GMT References: <1993Apr15.012707.1892@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo Joe Freeman writes >In article <1993Apr15.000444.768@eps.com> steve@eps.com writes: >>Does anyone have an opinion about the ATI Ultra Pro for NSI? Do you think the >>EISA version is faster than the V-LocalBus version. Theres seems to be a lot of >>"hipe" right now on VLB. Just wanted to know if it is justified.. > > >VESA is faster the EISA. > Would you care to elaborate some? I've just been looking at the PC world again, after a couple of years away, and there's a lot of hype about all the new systems, but I've had a hard time finding many facts on either EISA or VESA. What I'd like to see is some performance benchmarks of EISA and VESA SCSI and video cards, so that I could evaluate them. Some- one saying that x is better than y is no basis for making a purchasing decision. So far, the only comparision I've seen were in a PC Magazine, and the EISA cards were beating our the VESA cards, but VESA was newer than, and this may have chnaged. Alex -- ______________________________________________________ Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail) alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ed@talus.com Subject: Re: Scanner for NeXT??? Message-ID: <1993Apr15.145840.4847@talus.com> Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation References: <1993Apr15.033616.3171@bluerose.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:58:40 GMT In article <1993Apr15.033616.3171@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: > In article <1993Apr14.151009.1984@nwnexus.WA.COM> tomh@halcyon.com (Thomas > P. Hicks) writes: > > > > Looking for a scanner that will work with a NeXTStation Turbo. > > Look at HSD scanners. info@hsd.com > > M Carling > President, Bay Area NeXT Group Or the LeafScan 35 & 45 if you need to scan transparency... Disclaimer : We sell the driver for NS/I & NS/68k ;) Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" · Talus Corporation We are so very far from home. All of us.
From: albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Floppy drive for 030 Date: 15 Apr 1993 21:00:42 +0300 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qk7sa$ac9@cc.tut.fi> I need a floppy drive for my 030 next. I'm running on 2.1. Is there suitable 2.88 M floppy drives available for 030 board?
From: jtduran@athena.mit.edu (Jason Tomas Duran) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: slab and Zoom modem Date: 15 Apr 1993 19:24:51 GMT Organization: MIT Sloan School of Management Message-ID: <1qkcq3INNflh@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <oorient.734746715@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Keywords: modem zoom In article <oorient.734746715@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) writes: > >Has anyone used Zoom fax modem V.32 bis with a NeXT machine? >If yes, I'd like to hear about experiences. >Thanks, Sure, I've been using one for about a year now. Works great. Just get a cable with hardware flow control, plug it in, set up your comm package and go. No adjustments needed. --Jason
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: klein@math205.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (John R. Klein) Subject: Re: Floppy Boot Problems Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <C5JJDq.9y2@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 19:56:13 GMT References: <1993Apr15.144211.6156@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum In article <1993Apr15.144211.6156@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: > > HELP !!! > > I purchased a NeXT 030 cube last year. It was still running NeXTSTEP > Release 1.0. I then bought the Release 3 operating system and a CD > drive to load it. Then the problems started. > > This first thing I found out that no one told me when I bought the > Release 3 OS was that I needed a floppy disk drive to load the > software. It took a while and two vendors but I finally got > everything that I currently THINK I need. > > I hooked everything up as follows: SCSI cable from the NeXT to the CD > drive. Daisy chain SCSI cable from the CD drive to the floppy disk > drive. CD drive is at address 6. Floppy drive is at address 4. The > floppy drive has a termination switch and it is set to on. > > I then tried to boot the software. I used the boot rom and the > command "bsd(1,0,0)sdmach rootdev=sd1". To this I have gotten three > different responses. One is that it times out and eventually prints > the message: > no SCSI disk > > The second is that I get the series of messages: > Bad version 0xf0f0f0f0 > Bad cksum > Bad cksum > Bad cksum > Bad label > > The third response only happened once. It was stuck in a loop > printing out some message over and over. The message started with > "sc:" but I cannot remember the rest of the message. It had something > to do with being unable to locate the device. > > Also, if I try to boot from the floppy without putting the diskette > in, I get the following message: > booting SCSI target 4, lun 0 > waiting for drive to come ready > It then continues to print dots until I insert the diskette. > Apparently it knows the drive is there and can sense media present. > > Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong? I took the CD ROM > and the floppy diskette along with the floppy drive to the > representative of the CONE user group at Ohio State. He tried it on > his 040 system and determined that the drive worked and he was able to > read the files from the floppy. He also booted from the floppy. > Please tell me I have not reached a dead end! > > Since this problem is not a general one but is specific to my system, > please send responses through email. > > Thanks in advance for all help. I don't know why your machine isn't working, but is it possible that your internal drive has a different scsi id #? you could try checking this by attempting the boot process from all 7 possible scsi id #'s Nevertheless, in the worst possible case you should be able to boot up directly from the CD ROM (in single user mode preferably). (You could install 3.0 in this fashion, but this will scratch the contents of your internal drive.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cbliek@dcc.uchile.cl (Christian Bliek) Subject: ClubMac Sender: usenet@dcc.uchile.cl (Network News) Message-ID: <1993Apr15.192018.38989@dcc.uchile.cl> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 19:20:18 GMT Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion Could anyone send me the email address of the technical support folks at ClubMac (CA, USA)? Thanks, Christian Bliek (cbliek@dcc.uchile.cl)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Graphics for NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr15.201517.25689@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1993Apr15.000444.768@eps.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:15:17 GMT In article <1993Apr15.000444.768@eps.com> steve@eps.com writes: >Does anyone have an opinion about the ATI Ultra Pro for NSI? Do you think the >EISA version is faster than the V-LocalBus version. Theres seems to be a lot of >"hipe" right now on VLB. Just wanted to know if it is justified.. I have more questions than answers here. Does NS/I take advantage of any of the graphics accelerators, or does it simply use each card as a dumb frame buffer? Either way, Id expect that you would have a fair amount of the rendering still going on on the i486, so the additional speed of the local bus should make a significant difference. > >Steve Kornreich >steve@eps.com > -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
From: scotts@bbking.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM ( Scott Sherman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Message-ID: <3911@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Date: 15 Apr 93 15:13:51 GMT References: <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com> Sender: uucp@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM Distribution: usa Organization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company) In article <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com>, mike@macadam.com writes: |> I am a freshman in college and can't decide whether to major in computer |> engineering or computer science. Any advice or suggestions will be |> appreciated. |> |> Thanks, |> Mike A professor of mine once said "The difference between a Computer Engineer and a Computer Scientist is about $5000" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than the CS. Seriously though the main difference is that most CS people write programs that people will use, i.e. database, graphics, word processors, etc., while an engineer writes for machines or control systems, i.e. the "computer" in your car, a flight control system, computer controled devices, etc. In other words CS writes SOFTWARE while CSE writes FIRMWARE. These are generalizations but for the most part that is what the difference is. P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke Scott
From: next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Graphics for NSI Message-ID: <JTN12B6w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 17:49:42 CDT References: <1993Apr15.164542.122842@zeus.calpoly.edu> Organization: TCS Consulting Services Alex Raftis writes: > Would you care to elaborate some? I've just been looking at the PC world > again, after a couple of years away, and there's a lot of hype about all > the new systems, but I've had a hard time finding many facts on either > EISA or VESA. What I'd like to see is some performance benchmarks of > EISA and VESA SCSI and video cards, so that I could evaluate them. Some- > one saying that x is better than y is no basis for making a purchasing > decision. > > So far, the only comparision I've seen were in a PC Magazine, and the > EISA cards were beating our the VESA cards, but VESA was newer than, and > this may have chnaged. > Basically it gets down to performance. I believe the EISA runs at 8 mhz (MCA runs at 10 mhz I believe). The specs for VESA allow up to 40 mhz. The VESA is a direct 32 bit path to the CPU (again, as far as I understand). I don't have ISA specs, other than it is pale by comparison, but EISA has the ability to push data at a max. of 33 megs/second, and MCA can go up to 40 megs/second. VESA Local Bus has a max of 132 megs/second. At that rate, if the card can take and process the data at that rate, then VESA LB is going to go off and leave EISA behind. VESA has the specs to push large volumes of data, but in my opinion, that is only as good as the cards that you put in the VESA LB slots. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS: NeXTSTEP-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: climpach@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Limpach) Subject: IBM 0663E12 hard drive Message-ID: <1993Apr15.233226.9907@ifi.unizh.ch> Summary: does a IBM 0663E12 hard drive work with NeXT Keywords: IBM0663E12 hard_drive_for_NeXT Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 23:32:26 GMT Hi, I got a really interesting offer for a IBM 0663E12 hard drive (1GB) Now I want to know, if it will work fine with my colorstation... A friend of mine told me that there might be problems with synchronous transfer and another friend tried it on a NeXT andlike he said 'the NeXT can't format the drive to 1K sectors, so it doesn't work...' which I think is a bit strange... So if someone nows something about this drive or a similar one, please inform me... Thanks, christian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Graphics for NSI Message-ID: <C5Lpqn.2B3@news.otago.ac.nz> Sender: usenet@news.otago.ac.nz (News stuff) Organization: University of Otago References: <1993Apr15.164542.122842@zeus.calpoly.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 00:08:47 GMT In article <1993Apr15.164542.122842@zeus.calpoly.edu> writes: [snip snip] > Would you care to elaborate some? I've just been looking at the PC world > again, after a couple of years away, and there's a lot of hype about all > the new systems, but I've had a hard time finding many facts on either > EISA or VESA. What I'd like to see is some performance benchmarks of > EISA and VESA SCSI and video cards, so that I could evaluate them. Some- > one saying that x is better than y is no basis for making a purchasing > decision. > > So far, the only comparision I've seen were in a PC Magazine, and the > EISA cards were beating our the VESA cards, but VESA was newer than, and > this may have chnaged. In the case of the ATI Ultra Pro, the important factor for NeXTSTEP/Intel is that the apparent speed of the display (usually determined by 'how fast' a window is dragged or scrolled) is that NS is quite simple mineded about the frame buffer. It simple maps the frame buffer into the 486 address space and then moves data to and from it. Simply put the EISA bus is a 32-bit bus clocked at 8MHz, that is at best it can move 33MBytes per second in its fastest mode (4 bytes x 8MHz = 33MB/Sec). The VESA Local Bus (VL-Bus) is also a 32-bit bus, but is clocked at 33MHz (or the processor external speed if slower) The result is a max throughput of 132MBytes/Sec. If you have only a single VL-Bus card, then this will receive the full bandwidth of the processor until some other task tasks the processor away from it. The visual result is that the VL-Bus Ultra Pro is 'faster'. I've seen both with NS/Intel and the VL-Bus is better. It is just a shame that NS/Intel uses the processor for pixel transfers (as in scrolling or window dragging) as the ATI's ASIC processor is capabale of doing it vary fast, without using the main processor :-(. ========================================================================== ===== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 University of Otago, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 Department of Computer Science, | e-mail alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | NeXTmail Welcome
From: traupman-jonathan@yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Chances of NS/I on brand x clones Date: 15 Apr 1993 21:05:39 -0400 Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1ql0p4INNm6@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> Keywords: intel 486 clone Has anyone out there had any experience with running NS/I on generic clones with video and scsi that meets NeXT's standards? With the price of 486s with both VL-bus and EISA falling into the <$3000 range I would prefer to get one of these (or put one together from components) to selling my soul to afford a Dell or Compaq. However it would really stink to get something that won't run. Specifically, does NS/I require any particular brands of motherboard or bios -- the standards for video, disk, and sound are clear cut but there was no mention of motherboards or bioses in the compatability guide they sent me (March ed.) Thank you, Jon PS: No NeXTmail please :( -- Jonathan Traupman | "I knew a mathematician who said 'I do not PO Box 3124 Yale Station |know as much as God, but I know as much as New Haven, CT 06520-3124 |God did at my age.'" jont@minerva.cis.yale.edu | -Milton Shulman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: billb@fnbc.com (Bill Burcham) Subject: NeXT 21" Color Mon. on '486 Message-ID: <1993Apr15.185909.27365@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 18:59:09 GMT How can I utilize my NeXT 21" Color Mon. with a '486 and NeXTSTEP/Intel (other than using it as a heavy weight to keep said CPU from blowing away in the gale force winds produced by Microsoft's NT-Hype)?!? I understand that I will need a display card that can drive the monitor at the right number of pixels per second and that the NeXT connector is non-standard. What I want is a concrete solution, e.g. "buy _this_ display card, and _that_ cable and you will be golden". -- +--------------------------------+----------------------------------+ | Bill Burcham | "Make no small plans; they have | | First National Bank of Chicago | no magic to stir men's souls" | | billb@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | Daniel J. Burnham | +--------------------------------+----------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: billb@fnbc.com (Bill Burcham) Subject: NeXT CD-ROM Drive on '486 PC Message-ID: <1993Apr15.190007.27518@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 19:00:07 GMT How can I use my NeXT CD-ROM Drive on a '486 PC running NeXTSTEP Intel?!? -- +--------------------------------+----------------------------------+ | Bill Burcham | "Make no small plans; they have | | First National Bank of Chicago | no magic to stir men's souls" | | billb@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | Daniel J. Burnham | +--------------------------------+----------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: billb@fnbc.com (Bill Burcham) Subject: NeXT Mono. Printer on '486 PC Message-ID: <1993Apr15.190045.27627@fnbc.com> Sender: news@fnbc.com Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 19:00:45 GMT Will I ever be able to use my NeXT Mono. Printer on a '486 running NeXTSTEP Intel? -- +--------------------------------+----------------------------------+ | Bill Burcham | "Make no small plans; they have | | First National Bank of Chicago | no magic to stir men's souls" | | billb@fnbc.com (NeXTmail) | Daniel J. Burnham | +--------------------------------+----------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: NeXT CD-ROM Drive on '486 PC Message-ID: <C5KFA8.KJw@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1993Apr15.190007.27518@fnbc.com> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 07:25:20 GMT In article <1993Apr15.190007.27518@fnbc.com> billb@fnbc.com (Bill Burcham) writes: >How can I use my NeXT CD-ROM Drive on a '486 PC running NeXTSTEP Intel?!? Use a supported SCSI card. The NeXT CD-ROM is simply a Sony 541. It will also work with OS/2, Windows, etc... -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: ATI Ultra Graphics for NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr15.170650.5180@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr15.000444.768@eps.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:06:50 GMT In article <1993Apr15.000444.768@eps.com> uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) writes: > Does anyone have an opinion about the ATI Ultra Pro for NSI? Do you > think the EISA version is faster than the V-LocalBus version. Theres > seems to be a lot of "hipe" right now on VLB. Just wanted to know if it > is justified.. The VLB version is much faster than the EISA version. Best to get a system that has both VLB and EISA. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: "Mike A. Hayward" <mh67+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Maxtor XT-8760S 660 Meg Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 10:57:16 -0400 Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4fngZA200WB6NGC0x4@andrew.cmu.edu> I just came across an available used hard drive, the Maxtor XT-8760S. It's a couple of years old I'd guess, but does anyone have any opinions on this drive? How much would you offer for it? - Mike ----------------------------------------------------------- Mike A. Hayward 412 422-8128 CMU Box #103 412 421-9095 4825 Frew Street Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: other uses for NSC memory ? Message-ID: <C5LEK2.1q2@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1993Apr14.035509.3164@moksha.uucp> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 20:07:13 GMT In <1993Apr14.035509.3164@moksha.uucp> mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) writes: >I've got some extra 1 Meg NSC 72 pin simms. Can they be used in any other >(non-NeXT) systems ? The NSC shares the same memory with Sun Sparc ELCs. I had tried swapping 4MB SIMMS, but not the 1MB. Also, memory in the ELC does not have to go in pairs. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca NeXT Computer, Inc. mtacchi@NeXT.COM (NeXT Mail Welcome) "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
From: Christopher_Lane@Med.Stanford.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS486 & DEC PC Hardware? Date: 16 Apr 1993 22:15:01 GMT Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <1qnb55$fnh@morrow.stanford.edu> As much as I hate to ask this of a crowd probably swamped with, "Does NextStep 486 run OK on the XXX brand PC?" queries, here goes: We've some 'DEC hardware credits' we have to use soon and we're most likely going to 'spend' them on a few high end DEC 486's (466ST EISA machines) for the purpose of running NeXTSTEP 486. (We've had NeXTs since the 0.8 days.) Does anyone who's working with the beta NeXTSTEP for Intel know if we can or can't use DEC 486 hardware? (E.g. their CPU, SCSI, video, Ethernet boards, etc.) I realize DEC isn't one of the vendors listed in the current hardware specification document, but we have to work with what 'constrained' money we have available. We've pretty much selected the 'best' of all the components DEC offers to meet the spirit of the NeXT 486 hardware specification. Thanks for any information/advice, - Christopher
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dsk@world.std.com (dan s kanter) Subject: NeXT CD-ROM Player Message-ID: <C5LMC6.G66@world.std.com> Followup-To: dsk@world.std.com Keywords: NeXT CD-ROM Player Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 22:55:17 GMT Help. I finally got my NeXT CD-ROM player and I am unable to boot up my NeXTStation with it attached. I keep getting "SCSI ERROR" and the ROM Monitor says "SCSI bus hung up". Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks. Sorry if this is a duplicate posting.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dsk@world.std.com (dan s kanter) Subject: NeXT CD-ROM Player Message-ID: <C5LoAB.K1H@world.std.com> Followup-To: dsk@world.std.com Distribution: world Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 23:37:22 GMT Sorry that my last message didn't have my address: dsk@world.std.com. thanks
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: CD-ROM Suggestions Message-ID: <1993Apr16.141411.4921@nic.csu.net> From: vqueved@nssnext.calstatela.edu (Victor Quevedo) Date: 16 Apr 93 14:14:09 PDT Keywords: CD-ROM Suggest I am looking at purchasing a CD-ROM for my NeXT. Since NeXT CD-ROMs are not available, what abou other vendors and sources... I see that Juergen Keil wrote: >Yes, the 3401 works fine on a NeXT. The only problem is that volume >control in the CDaudio player doesn't work (they use a 'vendor unique' >scsi command (with vendor == Sony) to control the volume instead of >the appropriate SCSI-2 mode page). >To make use of the other features of the Toshiba drives (CDROM/XA, >multisession and CD-DA reading), you'll need a special driver, though. >-- > Juergen Keil jk@tools.de ...!{uunet,mcsun}!unido!tools!jk What about multible CD-ROMS? What about purchasing through a Mac mailing house vendor? -Thanks Victor Quevedo vqueved@nssnext.catlstatela.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: Has anyone used the Intel Professional GX? Message-ID: <1993Apr17.020220.19448@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 02:02:20 GMT I've seen the Intel GX (on the cover of the latest Nextworld!) and have heard it is a superior box. Has anyone used one? What is a way to get in touch with ANDI? I emailed Bill Strehl, but he's probably too busy to answer. I'd like to know about drivers for the SCSI chip, etc. I also want one! Thanks Robert de Lucca email robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) Subject: MB's for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Apr17.004602.209@pyrian.com> Sender: ian@pyrian.com Organization: PYRIAN Software Group Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 00:46:02 GMT Give me some of the names of mother boards that people are using. (that are not listed in the comp guide.) I am interested in getting a clone 486DX/2-66 with two vesa, one eisa and the rest isa. Usuing a ATI card etc. Will it work? What other vesa and eisa boards can someone recommend. Thanks. -- Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 Pyrian Software Group | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com NeXTSTEP Consulting | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: aoki@madonna (Ken-ichiro Aoki) Subject: Summary -- Cheapo printers for NeXT's Message-ID: <1993Apr16.174951.10060@mic.ucla.edu> Date: 16 Apr 93 17:49:50 PDT Some time ago, I wrote > I am interested in getting printer recommendations > (or disrecommendations) for the home slab running NS3.0. > > Considering the cost/performance, the kind of printers I am thinking of are > * Canon BJ 10 ~$250 ("up to 360dpi") and its relatives (If BJ5 works > with NS3.0, ~$200.) > * HP DeskJet 500 ~$370 (300dpi) and its relatives > > I have seen the HPDJ and I think the output is perfectly > fine for non-professional home use. I would like to know > if also the Canon BJ family is as good or if there are > other printers that work with the NeXT's that are recommendable. > In the order of importance > * reliability > * resolution > * speed > > One thing not to be forgotten is that while HPDJ family has a PD > driver, as far as I know, there is only a shareware driver for the > CanonBJ family (Dots, $100 ?). Sorry for the late summary, but I received replies only from 2 people. My thanks to Federico Heinz and Tod Rieger. In particular, except for FH, nobody had any comments about CanonBJ's. Nobody mentioned any other printers apart from HPDJ and CanonBJ. First, a correction, Dots is a commercial package, not a shareware. In summary, HPDJ: * reliable * 3 year warranty!! * free driver on the archives CanonBJ: * some of them small. (some black!) * does not seem to be mechanically as reliable as HPDJ. For HPDJ's there is a PD driver on the archives (djf_for_3.0 for NS3.0, DeskJet_2.03 for NS2.x). This comes with a configure script and works flawlessly for 3.0. Tod Rieger (prie@cc.gatech.edu) wrote that for DeskJet_2.03 with NS2.x, ---- I found three minor errors in the README.rtf file: 1) for XON/XOFF, switch bank 2, DIP 8 should be down 2) for test printing, use 9600 baud AND even parity (switch bank 2, DIP 6 up) 3) if you change BINDIR in the Makefile, you also need to change the appropriate line in the file djf.printcap ------------- For CanonBJ's there is, as far as I know, one driver which is a commercial package. Dots, $100 for mono version, $200 for color version. Btw, Dots supports a many more printers, including HPDJ family and HPLaser family. Demo exists on the archives. So I would say that HPDJ is the safest and the recommended choice. Also, they are very widely available. I intend to buy a HPDJ but haven't got around to it. Inkjets, I think, are more than nice enough for home use. They are slow (<4ppm) but you probably will not do much better unless you pay $$ to avoid the serial connection (or use NeXT laser). Btw, I have no association with Canon, Dots nor HP. Happy printing. -- ___Kenichiro Aoki (aoki@physics.ucla.edu) Physics Dept,UCLA,Ca,USA. (Please note that the From: field might be screwed up if you are replying.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u7913086@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Tony Guo) Subject: ABD keyboard with Turbo Cube ??? Message-ID: <1993Apr17.080242.18078@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 08:02:42 GMT Hi, netters, Does anyone have ADB keyboard and mouse work with the Turbo Cube? If so, what's the ROM version of the Turbo board? Thanks. -- Tony Guo President of Taiwan NeXT User Group tony@blumen.cis.nctu.edu.tw *** << NOT Available NOW >> *** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= TwNUG (Taiwan NeXT User Group) | Tel : 886-35-712-121 ext 4410 Tony Guo | E-mail: tony@blumen.cis.nctu.edu.tw Computer Music Studio, Applied Artser | (NeXTmail welcome) National Chiao Tung University | u7913086@cc.nctu.edu.tw Hsinchu, Taiwan | Life is vividless without NeXTing -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
From: kent@infoserv.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Trackballs - detail Message-ID: <C5LpvB.AK8@infoserv.com> Date: 17 Apr 93 00:11:34 GMT Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting My original post was this : For those interested I have connected a Kraft TripleTrack trackball for : the Amiga/Atari. It works and the feel isn't too bad. I've dumped the : mouse and the only disadvantage is that the unit isn't black. : It has a drag lock button that is great for moving files, etc. : The cost around here at the local Amiga stores is $45.00. : I have it wired in the Atari mode but the Amiga mode also works. : Kent : This is a non-ADB system (if it was ADB I wouldn't be worried about a trackball). The NeXT pinouts are as follows and can be obtained from the reference manuals. 6 7 8 3 4 5 1 2 Signals: 1 +5V 2 XA 3 XB 4 YA 5 YB 6 Right Button 7 Left Button 8 Ground Shell Chassis Ground Now on the Amiga/Atari the connector is different and needs a cable hack. The connector looks like this: ------------------- \ 5 4 3 2 1 / \ 9 8 7 6 / -------------- For the Amiga 1 V pulse 2 H pulse 3 VQ pulse 4 HQ pulse 5 Middle button (optional) 6 Left Button 7 +5V 8 Ground 9 Right Button I connected the mouse as follows NeXT Amiga ----------------------------- +5V +5V XA HQ pulse XB H pulse YA VQ pulse YB V pulse RB Right Button LB Left Button Ground Ground For The Atari 1 XB 2 XA 3 YB 4 YA 5 Middle Button (optional) 6 Left Button 7 +5V 8 Ground 9 Right Button So I set in the Atari ST mode and opened the case removed the original cable and used an old serial cable to make a new cable to connect to the NeXT. I found that the mouse worked better in the Atari mode vs. the Amiga mode when wired correctly although both will work. The Atari mode seemed to offer better control. Will need an Ohm meter to determine which pin corresponds to which wire in the mouse, actually a simple test light will work. I have scrapped my mouse - LONG LIVE MY TRACKBALL. (No I don't plan to sell the mouse because I may decide to use it later.) BTW - This trackball is set up so that you move the ball wit you fingers and click with your thumb. To activate the drag hold button you use your forefinger (right hand). When wired the center button behaves as the NeXT right button and the two outside buttons are the left button. I hope this helps. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: NeXT CD-ROM Drive on '486 PC Message-ID: <1993Apr16.150859.9500@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr15.190007.27518@fnbc.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:08:59 GMT In article <1993Apr15.190007.27518@fnbc.com> billb@fnbc.com (Bill Burcham) writes: > How can I use my NeXT CD-ROM Drive on a '486 PC running NeXTSTEP Intel?!? By connecting it to an Adaptec 1540B, 1540C, 1542B, or 1542C SCSI controller card correctly installed in your 486 machine. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NeXT and CDs In-Reply-To: madler@cco.caltech.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 03:15:55 GMT To: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Apr17091504@capitalist.princeton.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <9304011142.AA03263@newton.emba.uvm.edu> <fxg.734874624@clustrol> <CEDMAN.93Apr15102327@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1qnspbINN9mp@gap.caltech.edu> Distribution: inet Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 13:15:03 GMT In article <1qnspbINN9mp@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: >> ISO 9660 is right. ... >> This also is supported by NeXT. I wish ISO 9660 were supported by NeXT. There is a bug in the drivers that prevent it from working on every single ISO 9660 CDROM that I have (all Planetary Data System cd's). NeXT has ackknowledged the bug, but has not provided a fix. Every single ISO 9660 CD ROM that I have works with miniscule amounts of hackery. What is your problem ? Carl Edman
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Sharing a modem. Date: 17 Apr 1993 09:16:10 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1qpaga$t39@spock.dis.cccd.edu> We've got two Dove/Fax modems--one for the NeXT with software and one for the Mac with software--and want to only use and share one with a mini din-8 switcher box. Everything seems to work fine except that the modem needs to be turned off and then on after the software is disabled on both machines otherwisethe log files go nuts thinking their receiving a fax. Is there an easy workaround? maurices
From: haugelan+@pitt.edu (John C Haugeland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: slab and Zoom modem Message-ID: <9256@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 17 Apr 93 18:22:15 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <oorient.734746715@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) writes: > >Has anyone used Zoom fax modem V.32 bis with a NeXT machine? >If yes, I'd like to hear about experiences. >Thanks, > >Piotr Palacz >-- >Julian Edwards >Senior Consultant >Object Oriented Pty Ltd >PO Box 1826 I use this modem for data transmission all the time, and it works like a charm. I have never tried it for fax, however, because none of the fax software lists it as supported. What I would like to know is: Why not? All the discussions about fax software discuss just a few fax modems, all of which are more expensive than the Zoom (and numerous other "mass market" modems). Since these cheaper modems presumably all use the same high-volume chip set (probably from Rockwell), why isn't it easy to support them all with one fell swoop -- something analogous to "Hayes compatibility"? And, given that these modems are economical, widely available, and apparently reliable, wouldn't it make sense to support them? Is there a difference between support for sending faxes and support for receiving them? (I mean is one much easier than the other? Might it be that the existing programs support Zoom and similar modems for sending or recieving but not vice versa?) Maybe somebody who is well informed about these matters could post a little explanatory summary for the benefit of us (presumably numerous) "innocents"? John Haugeland
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT and CDs Date: 17 Apr 1993 18:54:48 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: inet Message-ID: <1qpjpoINNsmn@gap.caltech.edu> References: <CEDMAN.93Apr15102327@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1qnspbINN9mp@gap.caltech.edu> <CEDMAN.93Apr17091504@capitalist.princeton.edu> >> Every single ISO 9660 CD ROM that I have works with miniscule amounts >> of hackery. What is your problem ? The first 2K of every file is garbage, and the last 2K of every file is cut off. That first 2K is some sort of extended attribute block that the NeXT drivers don't handle properly. The CD's work just fine on PC's, Mac's, and Sun's. There are other bugs that have been reported with the ISO 9660 support that I have not experienced personally. Mark Adler madler@cco.caltech.edu
From: sta@logibec.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: MB's for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Apr17.163249.5812@logibec.com> Date: 17 Apr 93 16:32:49 GMT References: <1993Apr17.004602.209@pyrian.com> Sender: news@logibec.com Organization: Logibec Groupe Informatique Ltee, QC, Canada In article <1993Apr17.004602.209@pyrian.com> ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) writes: > Give me some of the names of mother boards that people are using. > (that are not listed in the comp guide.) > > I am interested in getting a clone > 486DX/2-66 with two vesa, one eisa and the rest isa. > Usuing a ATI card etc. > > Will it work? > > What other vesa and eisa boards can someone recommend. > > Thanks. > > -- > Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 > Pyrian Software Group | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com > NeXTSTEP Consulting | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK? Micronics has 2 models with VESA Local-bus 1- ISA + 2 VL-bus 2- EISA + 2 VL-bus For more info see Byte Magazine ~ April 93 Stephane Ah-ki sta@logibec.com Logibec Groupe Informatique Ltee. Nuns' Island, QC Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) Subject: Archive Viper 150, Help! Message-ID: <oorient.735090590@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Keywords: tape drive problem Sender: news@ucc.su.OZ.AU Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 23:49:50 GMT Hello; I connected an external tape drive - Archive Viper 150 unit from Sun - to my slab and have the following problem: although I can eg. rewind the tape using mt, I cannot write to it, eg. tar cvf /dev/rst0, after flashing drive's light briefly, returns 'tape error. I/O error'. Is there any utility that makes it possible to examine the situation closer? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Piotr Palacz -- Julian Edwards Senior Consultant Object Oriented Pty Ltd PO Box 1826
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.hardware From: tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot) Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Message-ID: <tecot.735093703@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA References: <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com> <3911@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Distribution: usa Date: 18 Apr 93 00:41:43 GMT >A professor of mine once said "The difference between a Computer Engineer and >a Computer Scientist is about $5000" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than >the CS. >Seriously though the main difference is that most CS people write programs that >people will use, i.e. database, graphics, word processors, etc., while an >engineer writes for machines or control systems, i.e. the "computer" in your >car, a flight control system, computer controled devices, etc. In other words >CS writes SOFTWARE while CSE writes FIRMWARE. >These are generalizations but for the most part that is what the difference is. >P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke >Scott For the most part, this is a bunch of bunk. I've got a Computer Engineering degree, yet I've spent the last 7 years writing software that people actually use. Moreover, the salary distinctions are incorrect; I received 3 job offers upon graduation; the two jobs that actually used my hardware experience were $7000/year lower! My advice is to decide which classes and projects most interest you, and pick the major that allows you to take them. _emt
From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Date: 18 Apr 1993 04:26:46 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1qqla6INN7ho@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com> <3911@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> <tecot.735093703@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> In article <tecot.735093703@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot) writes: >>A professor of mine once said "The difference between a Computer Engineer and >>a Computer Scientist is about $5000" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than >>P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke >>Scott > >For the most part, this is a bunch of bunk. I've got a Computer Engineering >degree, yet I've spent the last 7 years writing software that people actually >use. Moreover, the salary distinctions are incorrect; I received 3 job offers >upon graduation; the two jobs that actually used my hardware experience were >$7000/year lower! My advice is to decide which classes and projects most >interest you, and pick the major that allows you to take them. > >_emt Well here is my $0.02 worth. Advice from a grad student. I agree with the gentlemen who wrote the comment before me. The important thing is pick what ever interest you the most and learn as much as possible about it. In my five years of education in this field, though brief compare to alot of people, I had to think about this kind of question a lot. Did I make the right decision in going into Electrical Engineering as opposed to Computer engineering or CS? The more I go thru school, the more I believe that this kind of question is irrelevant. I have come to believe that choosing CS because one does not like hardware or choosing hardware because one does not like to program is really doing an injustice of building and computer and making it useful for something. Everything is interwoven and inseparable. CS, CE, and EE are all a part of a really great discipline and do depend on each other. My advice is don't limit yourself, but make a decision based on which major will give you the best opportunities to learn. That of course depends on the curriculum at your persective school. I would choose a major that allows me to explore as much as possible. Beside, I don't know why the school would make a student choose a major before her/his sophamore year. Hey you may be so interested in this field that you decided to learn all about the making of computers in which case, you suffer a little more and go to grad school. About the money. Don't look at the averages, if you are good, you are going to earn more money than anyone else. If you are a superstar programmer, you will earn millions. Like wise if you are a hotshot computer designers. - Chung Yang
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NeXT and CDs In-Reply-To: madler@cco.caltech.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 18:54:48 GMT Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Apr17180429@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <CEDMAN.93Apr15102327@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1qnspbINN9mp@gap.caltech.edu> <CEDMAN.93Apr17091504@capitalist.princeton.edu> <1qpjpoINNsmn@gap.caltech.edu> Distribution: inet Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 22:04:29 GMT In article <1qpjpoINNsmn@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: >> Every single ISO 9660 CD ROM that I have works with miniscule amounts >> of hackery. What is your problem ? The first 2K of every file is garbage, and the last 2K of every file is cut off. That first 2K is some sort of extended attribute block that the NeXT drivers don't handle properly. The CD's work just fine on PC's, Mac's, and Sun's. There are other bugs that have been reported with the ISO 9660 support that I have not experienced personally. How interesting. I'm using Mac/PC CD ROMs in ISO 9660 format as well, but I definitely do not get 2 kBytes of garbage at the beginning of the file (though now that you mention it, I remember other people experiencing something like this too). No, my problem is that ISO 9660 disks (in contrast to ISO 9660, Rockridge extended disks) are not recognized by the workspace when inserted, but just spit out of the drive again a few seconds later. The miniscule hackery I was refering to was the necessity of mounting the ISO 9660 CD ROMs by hand and inserting them only after the requester appears. But after that, I can read them just fine. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: ABD keyboard with Turbo Cube ??? Message-ID: <1993Apr17.164648.12702@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr17.080242.18078@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 16:46:48 GMT In article <1993Apr17.080242.18078@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> u7913086@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Tony Guo) writes: > Hi, netters, > > > Does anyone have ADB keyboard and mouse work with the Turbo Cube? If so, what's the ROM version of the > Turbo board? It must have ROM version 74. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: mctate@ac.dal.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Problem with NS3.0 DOS floppies on non-turbo mono slab Message-ID: <1993Apr18.105428.12952@ac.dal.ca> Date: 18 Apr 93 10:54:28 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Hi foks, I have a problem writing to DOS floppies under NS3.0 on a non- turbo, mono slab. ie. I can't write to DOS floppies. Here's the console log of what happens when I mount a DOS floppy: Apr 18 10:35:22 Workspace: Unmounted foreign disk at /210392b fd9: Sector 45(d) cmd = Read; Missing Address Mark: RETRY fd9: Sector 45(d) cmd = Read; DMA Over/underrun: RETRY fd9: Sector 45(d) cmd = Read; DMA Over/underrun: RETRY fd9: Sector 45(d) cmd = Read; DMA Over/underrun: RECALIBRATE Apr 18 10:35:36 Workspace: Mounted floppy disk at /210392b When I try to copy the file in the File Viewer I get the following processes message: File error for /dos/Enc-conc.eps: Invalid argument There is plenty of room on the DOS floppy, and it makes no difference whether the disk was formatted by NS as a DOS disk, or whether it came from my PC. Permissions on the files I want to copy are also OK. What's going on ? I remember when I was running 2.1 that I had to upgrade to 2.1a to solve a problem of this type, but I thought 3.0 had no problems at all ? - correct me if I'm wrong, I only upgraded recently. If this helps - I do notice that all mounted DOS floppies from my PC only have about 50 Kb free, even if they are empty ! And if I continually try to copy the file I want to the DOS floppy, the Worspace reports that the "File mover died unexpectedely" every time I log out. (Note that I don't usually log in as root). I would love to get this problem solved a.s.a.p., otherwise my NeXT is a glorified e-mail reader. I need DOS compatibility ! Please reply directly to: Marcus Tate -- mctate@ac.dal.ca Thanks in advance
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jeffz@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (JeffZ) Subject: Teleconnect & ZyXEL Message-ID: <ksN82B1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> Sender: news@cybernet.cse.fau.edu Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 16:32:19 GMT Greetings all! Thanks to all who helped me get SLIP up on my machine. I do have one question though: when I connect to the university's Xylogics server in SLIP mode, I can telnet to whereever I wish to go. Unfortunately, the whole session hangs after about 3 screens of text. I am using a ZyXEL U1496 modem with 5.05 ROMs (I believe). Is it the modem hanging, am I still fighting with a configuration program, or??? Jeff
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: shiva@vega.Stanford.EDU (Marcos Javier Polanco) Subject: Experiences with US Robotics Sportster Modem Message-ID: <1993Apr18.191319.1651@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 19:13:19 GMT Hello. I am about to purchase a USR Sportster; anyone out there with experience with this model? Thanks. -marcos j. polanco -shiva@vega.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: g3steen@sms.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) Subject: HELP! I CAN'T LOGIN TO MY NEXT STATION Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 20:18:22 GMT Message-ID: <BHV82B4w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) I've really done it now, and I need some help. I replace the file: nextlogin.tiff in usr/nextstep (I think) with anothr login.tiff file that I got off the archives. I renamed nextlogin.tiff to something else and renamed the new tiff to nextlogin.tiff. Then, I powered off and tried to come back in. Well, now when I get to the stage where I am supposed to enter my user id and password, the screen is blank. Ok, I can enter my info blind, but then instead of bringing me to my workscreen, the hard disk icon just spins forever. Is there any way I can circumben the login screen and restore my original tiff? I am not on a network, so I have no other way of getting "in" that I can figure out. Please e-mail me directly or telephone me collect at (519) 858-0808. HELP! g3steen@sms.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) Western Business School -- London, Ontario
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch) Subject: Re: Problem with NS3.0 DOS floppies on non-turbo mono slab Message-ID: <1993Apr18.183517.2628@seer.demon.co.uk> Sender: paul@seer.demon.co.uk Organization: P & L Systems References: <1993Apr18.105428.12952@ac.dal.ca> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 18:35:17 GMT In article <1993Apr18.105428.12952@ac.dal.ca> mctate@ac.dal.ca writes: > File error for /dos/Enc-conc.eps: Invalid argument > Surprise "upgrade" for 3.0 was that files to be copied to DOS floppies must have DOS style names, that is: 8.3, all lower case letters. This question comes up often enough that it should be in the FAQ, as I say whenever I reply to it :-). Paul -- Paul Lynch P & L Systems (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk Tel: (0494)671501 paull@cix.compulink.co.uk Fax: (0494)680228 76711.451@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Subject: Seagate Drives Message-ID: <1993Apr18.211207.4423@moksha.uucp> Keywords: jumpers, scsi id's Sender: mgb@moksha.uucp (Michael Branton) Organization: Totally Disorganized Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 21:12:07 GMT Does anybody know the jumper settings for setting the scsi id on the 400Meg seagate that NeXT ships (oops ! make that "shipped." :-) ) ? --- -Michael mgb@moksha.UUCP mgb@stetson.BITNET NeXT mail welcome ! -- -Michael
From: jtduran@athena.mit.edu (Jason Tomas Duran) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: slab and Zoom modem Date: 18 Apr 1993 22:27:41 GMT Organization: MIT Sloan School of Management Message-ID: <1qskktINNdn@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <9256@blue.cis.pitt.edu> In article <9256@blue.cis.pitt.edu> haugelan+@pitt.edu (John C Haugeland) writes: >In article <oorient.734746715@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) writes: > >I use this modem for data transmission all the time, and it works like >a charm. I have never tried it for fax, however, because none of the >fax software lists it as supported. What I would like to know is: Why not? > Has anyone tried the NXFax software with the Zoom extensively ? I tried the demo version, and a one page send worked fine but since it isn't listed as supported was wondering if the full version works. --JT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ed@talus.com Subject: NewGen 400-600-800-1200 dpi laser Printers Message-ID: <1993Apr19.005229.1712@talus.com> Sender: ed@talus.com Organization: Talus Corporation Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 00:52:29 GMT Has anyone successfully used these hi-res PostScript printers with NeXT hardware? If so, can you comment on how plug-and-play it is when connected to a NeXT ? Thanks in advance, Ed. -- Erik Dasque "The French Guy" · Talus Corporation We are so very far from home. All of us.
From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/FIP booting from multiple partitions Date: 19 Apr 1993 22:03:31 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Message-ID: <1qv7jj$1r9@rosie.next.com> References: <1993Apr14.202241.105419@zeus.calpoly.edu> In article <1993Apr14.202241.105419@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes: [munch] > One thing to keep in mind is that (from what I've heard) the is a max of > four partitions. My guess is that they have assigned 2 bits somewhere to > represent these. You might be able to create sub-partitions under one of > the other OS's. > -- > -Mont Yes, you can only have 4 partitions. This is a limitation of DOS. Basically the partition table (which exists at the end of block 0 on the boot device) is only large enough to contain 4 partition table entries (which each contain an id number, a start location and a length). later, Erik
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: PC board inside Cube - possible or not? Message-ID: <1993Apr20.160206.391@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Apr20.053719.15118@uwasa.fi> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 16:02:06 GMT In article <1993Apr20.053719.15118@uwasa.fi> hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama) writes: > > IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A REAL PC INSIDE NeXT CUBE? > > Is it possible to do or is it done already somewhere... The form factor is very close to being usable. The folks at NEC have talked about the possibility of a 486/Pentium board for cubes. As an interesting aside, on a recent trip to Boxborough I saw a NRW box that had been modified to accept a 486 motherboard. Eerie stuff! I sure hope somebody gets the rights to produce hardware in that box - it's very cool. While on the topic of NEC, I also had the chance to play with their VERSA 486 notebook. Physically a very attractive and usable machine: ergonomic design, interchangable displays, display can be flipped over to use as a tablet, floppy drive slides out to be replaced by second battery, 4 hour battery life. etc. It's the only laptop available that can suspend/resume 32-bit multi-tasking OS;s such as NEXTSTEP and NT. So far it's the only notebook I could see replacing my PowerBook in my briefcase, Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
From: Ward_Travis@transarc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Whining disk Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 17:48:02 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Qfp6yGr0BwyOII0k9X@transarc.com> I've got one of those 406Mb Seagate original-equipment hard disks in my slab, and after two years, it's whining so loud that the slab and all has been placed in a nearby (ventilated) closet. A 3-meter monitor cable snakes under the closet door to my desk. I'm wondering if anyone has had any expeiences with having such a drive serviced. Can the whine be fixed? Does this noise mean that the drive is dying? It's been noisy for over a year. I opened the slab (to install memory) and it appears that the disk has been laminated with adhesive cardboard cutouts to prevent any inspection of the platter cage, or removal of the logic board. -- Ward C. Travis Pittsburgh PA USA "The fact is the sweetest dream that travis@transarc.com (412) 338 4388 labor knows." - R. Frost
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: roberto@softDesign.COM (Roberto Arrocha) Subject: COMDEX Message-ID: <1993Apr20.195128.16339@softDesign.COM> Keywords: COMDEX Sender: roberto@softDesign.COM Organization: SoftDesign, Inc. Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 19:51:28 GMT Any info on whether any of the hardware vendors with NS offerings are planning to exhibit their hardware with NS3.1 at COMDEX Spring, to be held in Atlanta? What is the number to reach COMDEX organizers? Thanks. -- Roberto
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: roberto@softDesign.COM (Roberto Arrocha) Subject: Pentium Hwd Message-ID: <1993Apr20.195647.16428@softDesign.COM> Keywords: INTEL Pentium Sender: roberto@softDesign.COM Organization: SoftDesign, Inc. Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 19:56:47 GMT Any info on when is NeXTSTEP Pentium (NS586?) hardware going to become available? Thanks. -- Roberto SoftDesign, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Subject: Source Wanted: Air Filter for NeXT Laser Printer Message-ID: <C5t4Aq.206@ensuing.com> Sender: karl@ensuing.com (Karl Kraft) Organization: Ensuing Technologies Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 00:06:25 GMT The carbon filter for my NeXT Laser printer has become filled with dust, an d I need to get a new one. (I'm talking about the black honeycomb square on the right) Does anyone know where I can get a replacement, or whether it's equivalent to the filter in some other Laser Printer? Thanks in advance. __________ Karl Kraft Karl_Kraft@ensuing.com get a new one. (I'm talking about the black honeycomb square on the right) Does anyone know where I can get a replacement, or whether it's equivalent to the filter in some other Laser Printer? Thanks in advance. __________ Karl Kraft Karl_Kraft@ -- __________ Karl Kraft karl@ensuing.com (NeXT mail)
From: rhoadse@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (E. Robert Rhoads) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT CD-ROM and a PC Message-ID: <1r33fgINN5a3@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: 21 Apr 93 09:17:36 GMT Article-I.D.: flop.1r33fgINN5a3 Distribution: world Organization: CS Dept, Oregon State University Has anyone tried connecting the NeXT CD-ROM drive to a PC? Would it work if one were to get an Adaptec SCSI card? I've heard that the NeXT CD-ROM drive is made by Sony, but does anyone know the model and compatibility? What I was thinking of doing was taking a 386 PC slap an Adaptec SCSI card into it and load BSDI's BSD/386 via the NeXT (SCSI) CD-ROM drive. This sounds good, but I don't know if it will work in practice. Robert Rhoads rhoadse@prism.cs.orst.edu NeXTmail appreciated!
From: dwestner@don.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: RISC Coprocessor Date: 21 Apr 1993 11:19:22 GMT Organization: Maths & C.S. Dept., Dundee University, Scotland, UK Message-ID: <1r3ajq$eqb@dux.dundee.ac.uk> Hi, Last year I heard rumours about a company in Berlin, Germany building a RISC coprocessor board for NeXT Cubes. Actually, I never heard anymore about it. Can anybody comment on this? I can't see how this should work without modifying the OS. Or can it be done by just writting something like a coproccesor driver. Note: I'm not a computer engineer. Dominik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nothing is impossible in an infinete universe" Willi, the painterC
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 differences Date: 21 Apr 1993 14:19:05 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r3l4pINNae@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I'm about to buy a tape drive and have the choise of a SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 Interface, I know that NeXT use SCSI-2 and there for this would be the sensible choise. however at a future date I will want to connect it to a mac with a SCSI-1 interface. So the question is will a SCSI-2 tape drive work with a SCSI-1 computer. (I know it will if it was the other way round, as SCSI-2 is backwardly compatable). Thanks in advance for the help john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: NeXT CD-ROM and a PC Message-ID: <C5uKCB.Fz5@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <1r33fgINN5a3@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 18:50:35 GMT In article <1r33fgINN5a3@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> rhoadse@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (E. Robert Rhoads) writes: >Has anyone tried connecting the NeXT CD-ROM drive to a >PC? Would it work if one were to get an Adaptec SCSI >card? I've heard that the NeXT CD-ROM drive is made by >Sony, but does anyone know the model and compatibility? It's a Sony 541. It will work. It also works with the newer Future Domain card and the 1542C Adaptec (not sure of that number). Remember when getting a SCSI card that the ISA bus has this 16meg limit, which would affect busmaster cards. [ ] -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: uunet!eps!steve (Steve Kornreich) Subject: EISA SCSI for NSI Message-ID: <1993Apr21.193419.194@eps.com> Sender: steve@eps.com Organization: Electronic Publishing Services Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 19:34:19 GMT Does anyone know the status of what EISA based SCSI cards will be supported in the 1st release of NSI?. I know of only one so far being the DPT. Does anyone have any experience with this card? Let me know. Steve Kornreich steve@eps.com
From: bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Third Party Upgrades for Black Hardware Date: 21 Apr 1993 20:10:45 GMT Organization: Brigham Young University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r49o5$33d@hamblin.math.byu.edu> I heard an interesting rumor that a couple of upgrade board makers were going to announce products for cubes and slabs. Anyone else heard this? -Bill --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Has anyone used the Intel Professional GX? Message-ID: <1993Apr20.154149.5672@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Apr20.123453.7307@fokus.gmd.de> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 15:41:49 GMT In article <1993Apr20.123453.7307@fokus.gmd.de> kho@hubble.fokus.gmd.de (Klaus Hofrichter) writes: > As far as I know, PR1 does [not] support the > SCSI chip of the GX, but the May release will cover this. The May NS/i release will not support the GX's onboard SCSI. Intel has reportedly committed to provide a driver for it, but it is not clear when it will be available. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: Tobias James Hagge <th1z+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Hard Drive Question Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 17:35:00 -0400 Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <MfpPs4y00iV348mwUn@andrew.cmu.edu> NeXT apparently does something to the Quantum 105 meg (and possibly other) hard drives that makes them uformattable (and thus unusable) on a Mac. Last I heard, neither NeXT or Quantum were willing to claim fault for this problem or do anything about it. I have one of these drives I would like to sell. Does anybody know of a way to make a quantum 105 NeXT formatted drive usable again on a Macintosh? Most NeXTers have little need for an internal 105 drive. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Tobe P.S. E-mail response preferred. I will post a summary if applicable.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mcleodtw@cube04.csus.edu (Timothy W Mcleod) Subject: WANTED: NeXT hardware history Message-ID: <1993Apr21.212715.28738@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: California State University, Sacramento Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 21:27:15 GMT Hello, I am looking for a history of all NeXT machines and the specifications of each. I looked in the FAQ's and there was no mention at all about the different machines. Any help would be appreciated. My address is: mcleodt@csus.edu Thank You, Tim -- +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Tim McLeod | "If I claim to be a wise man, | | California State University, | It surely means that I don't know" | | Sacramento | | | E-mail: mcleodt@csus.edu | -Kansas | +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: songer@lexmark.com (Christopher Songer) Subject: Fax Modem Recommendation Message-ID: <1993Apr21.220316.166195@lexmark.com> Sender: usenet@lexmark.com (News Dude) Organization: Lexington, KY References: <1r33fgINN5a3@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> <C5uKCB.Fz5@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 22:03:16 GMT Hi! Can anyone recommend a good Fax modem for use with either a ColorStation or 25Mhz 040 Cube? Prime criteria are: cost and ease of data / fax send use. Fax receiving is not so important. Thanks! -Chris songer@lexmark.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks) Subject: Re: Has anyone used the Intel Professional GX? Message-ID: <1993Apr21.230901.7246@wam.umd.edu> Sender: usenet@wam.umd.edu (USENET News system) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park References: <1993Apr20.123453.7307@fokus.gmd.de> <1993Apr20.154149.5672@bluerose.com> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 23:09:01 GMT In article <1993Apr20.154149.5672@bluerose.com> M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.123453.7307@fokus.gmd.de> kho@hubble.fokus.gmd.de >(Klaus Hofrichter) writes: >> As far as I know, PR1 does [not] support the >> SCSI chip of the GX, but the May release will cover this. > >The May NS/i release will not support the GX's onboard SCSI. Intel has >reportedly committed to provide a driver for it, but it is not clear when >it will be available. > >M Carling >President, Bay Area NeXT Group Hmm.. that's too bad. I have a memo from Intel to distributors in front of me that seems to confirm this, though I had assumed the driver would be in NS/I 3.1. They are making 2 revisions to the GX board. One is a 6360 SCSI controller instead of the 6260. "the drivers written for the 6260 will still run on the 6360" it reads. Then "Several key vendors want 6260 support and we feel that when SCSI support becomes available the driver will be for the 6260". It doesn't really matter which controller is used: the driver needs to be written, though. Another change is with theserial ports. "to revise the serial controller to include FIFO". I had been told by a reseller of this machine that Intel was changing the board so that the ports will be as speedy as the Turbo's. I don't know how true this is. Intel also reports "new drivers ... provided by Next ... Next has optimized the ATI 68800 graphics drivers...This has provided us with a 95% improvement in performance." "They have also improved the generic IDE driver and have seen a 2X improvement in performance". That will be part of the May release, it says. I would imagine the better graphics driver as well. I would like one of these machines, as they are discounted until the end of April I wanted to snap one up; but there are too many gray areas. It seems like a superlative machine. The styling is slab-like (see Nextworld cover - recent). Bill Chin wrote me that someone had commented "It's like seeing your mother in a blond wig!". I guess I'll wait and browsw around at the Expo, but I doubt there will be any better boxes, for the money. Other Intel GX info appreciated! Robert de Lucca Johns Hopkins Univ email robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Nextmail delucca@bouhours.fre.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ian@pyrian.com (Ian H. Stewart) Subject: Voice Mail / Fax Message-ID: <1993Apr20.232023.797@pyrian.com> Sender: ian@pyrian.com Organization: PYRIAN Software Group Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 23:20:23 GMT I have looked at several voicemail/fax combination modems lately. I am currently using The Complete Communicator by The Complete PC. it offers voicemail, send and recieve fax and data all self switching, all from one line. I am looking for a similar product for the NeXT / NeXTSTEP that works with the ZyXel or similar modem. I have heard of Voila by The Cube Route, but have not been able to reach anyone there. Any help is appreciated. Ian H. Stewart -- Ian H. Stewart | voice/fax 415-664-1170 Pyrian Software Group | Net Ian_Stewart@pyrian.com NeXTSTEP Consulting | Isn't LiFE more like RiSK?
From: mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Hard Drive Question Date: 22 Apr 93 01:03:24 GMT Message-ID: <mfausett.735440604@kirin> References: <MfpPs4y00iV348mwUn@andrew.cmu.edu> Tobias James Hagge <th1z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > NeXT apparently does something to the Quantum 105 meg (and possibly >other) hard drives that makes them uformattable (and thus unusable) on a >Mac. Last I heard, neither NeXT or Quantum were willing to claim fault ... Could it be that the Quantum has been formatted with 1024 byte sectors? The mac only handles 512 byte sectors. Mark Fausett mfausett@bbn.com
From: rwilson@drkstar.megalith.miami.fl.us (Robert K. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NEC Versa - First Impressions (REPOST) Date: 21 Apr 1993 21:35:10 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9304212243.AA00209@drkstar.megalith.miami.fl.us> This post first appeared in comp.sys.laptops and with the initial discussion here on c.s.n.h, it seemed proper to post here. The Versa seems an IDEAL portable hardware solution for NEXTSTEP FIP and given the NEC - NeXT alliance.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NEC Versa - First Impressions I just canceled the order on my PowerExec 4/25SL after reading the spec sheet for the NEC Ultralite Versa, and placed an order for one of these instead! Reading the spec sheet makes you think, "Hmmm...what planet am I on...this stuff only exists in Batman or Star Trek (Yes, it's a banal statement.)" Below is a "copy" of the NEC Versa spec sheet, as available from NEC Technologies, Inc. through their FastFcts system I don't intend to break any copyright laws by writing this stuff down here - but just to inform the other NetUsers. Hope they don't sue me or anything like that.:-) No, the worst they could do is take away my Versa when I get it - but that would make me very upset and put me into such a rage that I'd probably be relegated to a prison for the insane. Anyhow, here it goes. ----------- Configurations: 20Mhz Models * UltraLite Versa 20C ( color display) * UltraLite Versa 20 (monochrome display) 25Mhz Models * UltraLite Versa 25C (color display) * UltraLite Versa 25 (monochrome display) * UltraLite Versa 25CP (color display with pen capabilities) * UltraLite Versa 25P (monochrome with pen capabilities) CPU: NEC Upgradeable Intel 486SL Processor * 8KB Cache * Built-In Numeric Coprocessor Memory: 4MB of RAM Standard User Upgradeable to 8MB or 12MB 256KB Flash ROM 1MB Video RAM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Storage: 20Mhz Models * 80MB (19ms) or 120MB (17ms) standard * User Upgradeable to 120MB or 180MB * Removeable 1.44MB 2.5" Diskette Drive [Doubles as a Secondary Battery Slot] 25Mhz Models * 120MB (17ms) or 180MB (15ms) standard * User Upgradeable to 180MB * Removeable 1.44MB 2.5" Diskette Drive [" "] Displays: Colors Models * 9.45 TFT Active Matrix Super VGA * 256 Colors at 640X480, out of over 226,000 * NEC Upgradeable to Pen Monochrome Models * 9.4 STM Sidelite Super VGA * 64 Shades of Gray at 640X480 * User Upgradeable to Color * NEC Upgradeable to Pen Pen Models * Digitizer * 200DPI Resolution Common Display Features * Local Bus Video ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * User Removeable/Reversible * Opens to 180 degrees * Simultaneous Display of External Video and LCD Interfaces: Enhanced Parallel Port (EPP) Serial Port VGA CRT (Super VGA) Supports up to 256 Colors at 640X480 and 16 Colors at 1024X768 PS/2-Style Mouse Port PS/2-Style Keyboard/Keypad Port Expansion: 4MB or 8MB Memory Module Slot Docking Station Port PCMCIA Slots: Compatible with Two Type II PC Cards or One Type III PC Card User Interface: 83-Key Keyboard, 12 Function Keys Cordless Pen (Pen-Compatible Models only) Security Features: Power-on Password Keyboard Password Dimensions: Color Models * 11.69"W X 9.33"D X 2.09"H * 6.8lb * 7.0lb for color pen-compatible models Monochrome Models * 11.69"W X 9.33"D X 2.09"H * 6.08lb * 6.28lb for pen-compatible models AC Power: Autoswitching AC Adapter, 100-240 Vlts, 50/60Hz Battery Power: Removeable NiMH Battery Packs: 2.5-5.0 Hours (color) and 4.0-6.0 Hours (mono) Optional Secondary Battery: Doubles Battery Life Quick Charge: 1.4 Hours with Power OFF, 2.4 with Power ON Power Management: Advanced Power Management * Four Selectable Modes: Off, Low, High, Custom * Five Levels: Normal, Local Standby, Global Standby, Suspend, Suspend to Disk * 3.3 Volt Components --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Versa sounds like it runs circles around the AST PowerExec 4/25SL, Zenith 425Ln, and even the IBM ThinkPad 700. Well, I'll wait and see when I get mine in next week, and I post MY own REAL first impression. BTW, it was mentioned the the specs, but probably not clear. The floppy disk drive can be removed, and a second battery put in its place to extend battery life to double. Neato! Also, the 2 PCMCIA Type II Card Slots are stacked one on top of the other, so they can either be used that way, or can be used as 1 Type III slot (Maxtor makes a Type III HD that hold 105MB!). Ok, until next week.... Andie Wei-Ku Lin ---------------- awlin@eagle.wesleyan.edu ----------------------------------------- --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert K. Wilson | Voice/Fax/Data University of Miami School of Law | +1-305-596-7480 7730 Camino Real F-413 | NeXT Mail Accepted Miami, Florida 33143 | Internet: rwilson@tigger.rsmas.miami.edu USA | UUCP:rwilson@drkstar.megalith.miami.fl.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: sven@jacobs2.css.msu.edu (Sven Bohm) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Tape drives? Date: 22 Apr 1993 13:25:03 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1r66bf$jtg@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Hi, What kind of tape drives work with neXtStAtioNs? Will any MAC DAT or TRAC drive work? Thanks -- Sven Bohm sven@jacobs2.css.msu.edu (NeXTMail welcome) It ain't over until the first lady sings.
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Hard Drive Question Date: 22 Apr 1993 14:58:37 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r6bqtINN7l4@golden.kaleida.com> References: <mfausett.735440604@kirin> In article <mfausett.735440604@kirin> mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) writes: > Tobias James Hagge <th1z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > > > NeXT apparently does something to the Quantum 105 meg (and possibly > >other) hard drives that makes them uformattable (and thus unusable) on No, you've got it backwards (I think :). It's Apple that does something to the Quantum 105 meg drives, not NeXT. Apple puts a custom chip on the board of the drive. If you're trying to use the Apple supplied HD SC Setup program, that won't work with ANY drive other than one provided with the custom Apple chip on it. Try using a third party formatting software (like Silverlining, or HFB). Personally I recommend SilverLining since it's made by Quantum. I've taken drives out of NeXTs and formatted them on a Mac, and vice versa without problems using 3rd party formatters. Good luck. Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Does non-listed 486 hardware work? Message-ID: <1993Apr22.175232.1005@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: Pro Forma Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:52:32 GMT I have to assess the likelihood of NeXTSTEP successfully running on an already installed PC. Assuming it is a 486/DX, has enough RAM and disk space, what is the likelihood of NeXTSTEP mostly working? By "NeXTSTEP", I mean the released version, not the pre-release version(s). I don't care about screen resolution or useability issues that can be solved by some upgrade. What I care about is it just plain not working. Based on news traffic, the biggest buggaboo appears to be not having drivers for certain devices. How large is this problem? I would appreciate reports from people who have first-hand experience with NS3.1PR1 (all replies will be confidential). If you have run NS on something other than what NeXT lists as approved, please drop me a line. I guess the question is: what percentage of the existing 486/DX or DX2 installed base will run NeXTSTEP without alteration? Email replies; I will summarize. --J Gregory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: villy@hatch.socal.com (Will Hartung) Subject: Re: NeXT CD-ROM and a PC Message-ID: <C5x18C.24J@hatch.socal.com> Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail. Playa del Rey, CA References: <1r33fgINN5a3@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> <C5uKCB.Fz5@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 02:50:33 GMT In article <C5uKCB.Fz5@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: >In article <1r33fgINN5a3@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> rhoadse@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (E. Robert Rhoads) writes: >>Has anyone tried connecting the NeXT CD-ROM drive to a >>PC? Would it work if one were to get an Adaptec SCSI >>card? I've heard that the NeXT CD-ROM drive is made by >>Sony, but does anyone know the model and compatibility? > >It's a Sony 541. It will work. It also works with the newer >Future Domain card and the 1542C Adaptec (not sure of that >number). Remember when getting a SCSI card that the ISA bus >has this 16meg limit, which would affect busmaster cards. > Just for the sake of a datapoint, I took my NeXT CD ROM down to our office to try and install UnixWare on a 486 ISA with a Adaptec 154xB, and we had strange problems. It ejected the CD in the middle of the load...wierd. Tried a friends CD ROM from his Mac, and it worked fine. No judgements or conclusions, just so-ya-know... Will (me@zipbang.socal.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer) Subject: Re: Whining disk Message-ID: <1993Apr21.150424.17805@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Notre Dame References: <Qfp6yGr0BwyOII0k9X@transarc.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 15:04:24 GMT In article <Qfp6yGr0BwyOII0k9X@transarc.com> Ward_Travis@transarc.com writes: > I've got one of those 406Mb Seagate original-equipment hard disks in my > slab, and after two years, it's whining so loud that the slab and all > has been placed in a nearby (ventilated) closet. A 3-meter monitor cable > snakes under the closet door to my desk. > > I'm wondering if anyone has had any expeiences with having such a drive > serviced. Can the whine be fixed? Does this noise mean that the drive is > dying? It's been noisy for over a year. I opened the slab (to install > memory) and it appears that the disk has been laminated with adhesive > cardboard cutouts to prevent any inspection of the platter cage, or > removal of the logic board. > > -- > Ward C. Travis Pittsburgh PA USA "The fact is the sweetest dream that > travis@transarc.com (412) 338 4388 labor knows." - R. Frost My Seagate 240 megabyte drive just started doing the same thing about a 2 weeks ago. The technician I talked to at seagate said it might fail soon, so the safest thing would be to replace it. You can send it back to seagate and they will send you a new, refurbished (I thought refurbished meant not new...) one with a one year warranty for a certain price, in my case $425. I'm going to hold on to it until I can't stand the noise any longer, hoping it doesn't fail. Hard drive prices keep dropping, so by then I can get a bigger drive for the same money. -- Matthew J. Grismer M M JJJJJJJJJJ GGGGGGGG 300 Cushing Hall MM MM J G University of Notre Dame M M M M J G GGGG e-mail: matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu M M M M J G G NeXTmail preferred M M M M J J G G M MM M JJJJJ GGGGGGGG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: leigh@cs.uwa.oz.au (Leigh SMITH) Subject: Adaptec 1542C SCSI cards ok for NS/FIP? Message-ID: <leigh.735549882@cuscus> Summary: Am I going to have problems? Keywords: Adaptec 1542C, NS/FIP Sender: usenet@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia. Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 07:24:42 GMT Greetings all, While the hardware compatibility list for NS/486 Intel lists the Adaptec 1542B SCSI card as the supported one, do the newer and more available 1542C cards also work? According to comp.periphs.scsi, a lot of people are having problems with the C under OS's like linux. Have any of the beta sites used 1542C cards ok, or does anyone know? At present I'm shopping around for a SCSI card and the 1542B might be a bit hard to get hold of as I understand it is superceded by the C. Correct me if I'm wrong, help me if you can. -- +----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=---+ | Leigh Smith Home: leigh@psychok.dialix.oz.au | | Dept of Comp Sci, Uni of Western Australia: leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au | +----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=---+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil (John Michopoulos) Subject: Color Printer Substitutes Wanted ???? Message-ID: <C5xppC.FH3@ra.nrl.navy.mil> Keywords: Canon, Brother, Seiko, Apple, Seiko, color, printers Sender: usenet@ra.nrl.navy.mil Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 11:39:11 GMT We have placed an order for two NeXT color printers with a third party that cannot get them after the recent changes in NeXT's strategy. (The quote was issued prior to the day of the "announcement"). So we are in desperate search with a substitute with similar specs and about the same price. So, Here are my questions for the neters : 1. Is it possible to make the "Canon BJC-820" with SCSI interface to run with the NeXT ? 2. I just read the "Apple" version of this printer does not run on the NeXT, but how about the "Citizen" version of it ? 3. Can one find the NeXT firmware for any of the above printers and use it on them? From which source ? Can one copy legally the NeXT firmware to use it on these printers ? 4. Does anybody have experience with the "Brother HS-1PS" inkjet color printer with the NeXT ? 5. Does anybody have experience with the "Seiko Personal ColorPoint SE" (thermal transfer color on ordinary media Postcript level 1.x compatible only) with the NeXT ? 6. If a color printer is compliant with a less than level 2.0 Postscript, how this is expected to effect the printing from a NeXT ? What percentage of 2.0 level calls is used for standard printing ? 7. Do you have ANY other suggestions for color postscript printers in the category of "draft quality" for the NeXT ? Please reply directly to me and I will summarize for the net. Thank's everybody, --john m. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Dr.John Michopoulos (yanni)| Tel: (202) 767-2165 or -2189 | | Research Scientist | Fax: (202) 767-9181 | | Naval Research Laboratory | e-mail: yiannis@prologos.nrl.navy.mil | | Code 6380 | michopoulos@ccf3.nrl.navy.mil | | 4555 Overlook Avenue, S.W.| michopoulos@anvil.nrl.navy.mil | | Washington DC 20375-5000 | send NeXTmail to prologos.nrl.navy.mil | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | A glimpse of a dream: Let's build rational amplifiers to move facts | | swiftly and massively so instead of crafstmen we become artists of | | research and discovery in both the physical and the conceptual worlds.| | Dreams are facts in the conceptual world anyway. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HP LaserJet 4M Problem with NeXT Calibrated Color Date: 23 Apr 1993 12:25:12 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r8n78$mvg@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1qvlm6$22l@rosie.next.com> In article <1qvlm6$22l@rosie.next.com> Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com (Ali Ozer) writes: >Another option is to use the >NXColorCalibrateLevelOneOps default to turn of color calibration of "old" >operators such as setrgbcolor from your application: > > dwrite appname NXColorCalibrateLevelOneOps NO > >Note that this forced color calibration is only done on EPS files. If your >application itself generates "setrgbcolor," it's left uncalibrated. I am having a related problem with printing on HP LaserJet 4M 600 dpi (with PS), and I have determined that this problem has to do with color calibration. The simptom is that all gray value >= 0.84 becomes completely white and there is no gradation for gray values in the range 0.84 - 1.0. This only happens with HP LaserJet 4 (with PS SIMM). Exactly the same file printed on NeXT 400dpi laser printer shows good shades of grays for all values (0 - 1). This obviously messes up my density plots (light gray becomes complete white). I am NOT importing any EPS files. All the PS code is generated solely by my application and AppKit (printPackage.ps). So, Ali's suggestion of doing the above dwrite doesn't work for me. I do not understand exactly where the calibration takes place (inside the printer or in the PS code), but obviously, somewhere, the Gray level calibration is screwed! Is this HP's problem or NeXT's PS problem?? Has anybody seen this problem? Any fix? -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: How is the best to mount an OpticalDisk? Date: 23 Apr 1993 13:57:07 GMT Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University Sender: Paul Nevai Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r8sjj$93m@function.mps.ohio-state.edu> Originator: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu I always mount my OpticalDisk (/OD) via rlogin and use the "mount" command. Can you tell me what is the best way to do it? here are two option; both work. I am looking for the (close to the) BEST solution. % mount /dev/od0a on /OD type 4.3 \ (rw,hard,intr,timeout=20,retrans=8,rsize=4096,wsize=4096,noquota) /dev/od0a on /OD type 4.3 (rw,noquota,removable) Please respond by email. Thanks. Take care...Paul Paul Nevai nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu Dept Math - Ohio State University 1-614-292-3317 (Office) Columbus, Ohio 43210-1174, U.S.A. 1-614-292-1479 (Math Dept Fax)
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Tape drives? Date: 23 Apr 1993 11:36:30 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1r92duINN7oq@systemix.com> References: <1r66bf$jtg@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> In article <1r66bf$jtg@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> sven@jacobs2.css.msu.edu (Sven Bohm) writes: >Hi, > >What kind of tape drives work with neXtStAtioNs? Will any MAC DAT or TRAC >drive work? > I strongly recommend that you don't buy anything other than DAT. With the prices that DATs can be had for, their 2 to 8 GByte capacity, random seek capability, and quiet operation, it's hard to make a case for anything else. One thing to remember in comparing the cost of cartridge units to DAT is that the media cost for cartridge tapes is $30 to $40 each, where DAT tapes capable of several GB, even without compression, are around $12. So even though cartridge tape drives appear several hundred dollars cheaper than DAT, the difference is quickly consumed in media costs. Cheers, Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C. Antony) Subject: Re: NEC Versa - First Impressions (REPOST) Message-ID: <1993Apr23.164453.11142@cs.brown.edu> Sender: news@cs.brown.edu Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science References: <9304212243.AA00209@drkstar.megalith.miami.fl.us> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 16:44:53 GMT There are a few additions to the specs posted that might be of interest to this group: a) CPU: is upgradable to a 33MHz 486SL if and when Intel ever sells it b) Hard Disk: there will be a 240MB drive option, price has not been set yet. c) Video: Unfortunately the video RAM is limited to 1MB and thus there will be no configuration that supports color on this machine, not even on an external monitor. The highest number of colors remains 256, in any resolution. This makes you whish NeXT would support 8bit color, comparable to the 2bit grey scale. Yes it would not be Photorealistic, but at least read would be red and blue would be blue and if you want to look at some chart you could tell the different curves appart. As it looks now, any money spent on a color laptop for NS is wasted... Too bad. Ronald -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rca@cs.brown.edu or antony@browncog.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C. Antony) Subject: Dead NeXT mice wanted... Message-ID: <1993Apr23.170342.12021@cs.brown.edu> Summary: need mouse cables Keywords: mouse cable dead Sender: news@cs.brown.edu Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science References: <9304212243.AA00209@drkstar.megalith.miami.fl.us> <1993Apr23.164453.11142@cs.brown.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 17:03:42 GMT I have a problem with my NeXT mouse, i.e. I need new cable from the mouse to the keyboard. Of course I could buy all the components and solder it together, but a) It's a nuisance and b) it looks ugly, since most of the solder-it-your-self plugs are huge in dimensions. So I wonder if someone out there has a shot NeXT mouse that is useless and could function as an organ donor. I'm looking for it's tail... Please respond by E-mail, since I'm a bit busy these days and can't keep up with all the news. Thanks a lot Ronald -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." G.B. Shaw | rca@cs.brown.edu or antony@browncog.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: charles@oneworld.wa.com Subject: Re: UUCICO interrupts phone calls on ZyXEL Message-ID: <1993Apr23.012347.12674@oneworld.wa.com> References: <1993Apr13.185558.3030@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 01:23:47 GMT In article <1993Apr13.185558.3030@gleap.jpunix.com> clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com writes: > >I have a ZyXEL modem and am running the standard uucp which comes with NeXTs. >I run uucico every 15 minutes in case there are outgoing jobs. I only have one >line (I use distinctive ring). If I'm in a conversation and uucico runs when >there are jobs in the queue, my phone will cut off as the modem is attempted to >be dialed via uucico. > >Does anybody have a fix for this? I know I can tip into the modem to lock it, >but its there a more elegant solution? > >Thanks, >Charles. Take a look at the Zyxel registers S6... Page 7-3 of the Zyxel U1496E modem manual indicates that setting S6=(number of seconds to wait) in conjuction with an ATX7 command will set the modem to wait for (specified seconds) for dialtone. One thing to watch out for, is that if your voice is of a certain tone, it may think of it as a dial tone and try to dial out... 8-) Good Luck! Charles W. Cooper II |OneWorld Enterprises | (206)453-8766 |OneWorld Computing Resources | - space for rent - (206)453-7083 fax/data |203 Bellevue Way N.E. STE 314 | charles@oneworld.wa.com |Bellevue, WA 98004 USA |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Andre Roberge) Subject: Bernoulli drives Message-ID: <1993Apr23.171956.15759@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 17:19:56 GMT I've just purchased a Bernoulli drive (iomega 150 transportable) and would like to get in touch with somebody who has experience with those and be willing to answer questions on those over the next week or so. [questions like: how come I get only 104 MB, how do I get it to *not* behave like a DOS drive but like a Unix one, etc. I *think* I know most of the answers but I just don't want to do anything stupid that couldn't be fixed afterwards...] Andre Roberge ****PLEASE: reply to andre@gollum.phys.laurentian.ca where NeXTmail is welcome. The automatic reply address (andre@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca) is not NeXT friendly ...
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Tape drives? Message-ID: <66859@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 23 Apr 93 19:11:47 GMT References: <1r66bf$jtg@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <1r92duINN7oq@systemix.com> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 In article <1r92duINN7oq@systemix.com> brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) writes: > I strongly recommend that you don't buy anything other than DAT. DAT sounds great, but if the commercial music industry refuses to adopt it as a legit format, is there any danger that DAT media would become unavailable to computer users? -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Intel screen refresh Message-ID: <61.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 12:59:51 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA I plan to run NEXTSTEP on a Dell 450/L computer which has the S3 local bus video chip. Because of VRAM limitations, the configuration will only support color at 800X600. Looking into my manual on the Dell UltraScan monitor I got (15S) I see that the 15S only supports 800X600 at 56hz, while the others are at 72Hz. I don't know if that will be a problem, but is something to consider when you make purchase decisions, and when you investigate the shipping product in may. Other monitors may be preferable. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 4M Problem with NeXT Calibrated Color Date: 23 Apr 1993 23:53:17 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1r9vhd$713@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1r8n78$mvg@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <1r8n78$mvg@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >I am having a related problem with printing on HP LaserJet 4M 600 dpi >(with PS), and I have determined that this problem has to do with >color calibration. > >The simptom is that all gray value >= 0.84 becomes completely white and >there is no gradation for gray values in the range 0.84 - 1.0. >This only happens with HP LaserJet 4 (with PS SIMM). Exactly the >same file printed on NeXT 400dpi laser printer shows good shades of >grays for all values (0 - 1). >This obviously messes up my density plots (light gray becomes complete >white). To test this fully, I wrote a simple EPS file included below. It prints a density calibration chart in 1% steps from 0 .. 100%. If you have a HP LaserJet 4 with PostScript, please print it straight to the printer. Please also compare this with the version printed from a drawing application by importing this EPS file. Is there any difference? On our LaserJet 4M PS, when printing the imported EPS from Virtuoso, all squares from 1% through 16% are totally white! Whatever calibrations are done, it should never put hard saturations and bottom-outs. On the NeXT 400dpi Laser, these two methods produce identical results. Thanks. --------- DensityCalibration.eps ----------------------------------- %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-2.0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 612 792 %%Title: PostScript Density Calibration Chart %%Creator: Izumi Ohzawa %%Date: 93-04-23 /paperwidth 612 def % already defined /paperheight 792 def /temp-str 10 string def % i on stack /draw_box { gsave 0 setgray 0 -10 rmoveto dup 100 exch sub temp-str cvs show ( %) show grestore 40 0 rlineto 0 45 rlineto -40 0 rlineto closepath gsave 100 div setgray fill grestore 0 setgray stroke } def /Helvetica findfont 10 scalefont setfont 0.5 setlinewidth 0 1 100 { dup dup 10 idiv 66 mul 40 add % i i yp exch % i yp i 10 mod 50 mul 100 add paperwidth exch sub % i yp xp exch moveto draw_box } for /Times-Roman findfont 16 scalefont setfont 60 720 moveto (Density Calibration Chart) show showpage ---- cut here ------------------------------------------------ -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help! Adaptec 1542 drivers + a Gateway horror story Date: 24 Apr 1993 00:23:05 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ra199INNbq1@crcnis1.unl.edu> I need a favor from kind soul out there. I will have access to the beta copy of NeXTSTEP/Intel and am putting together a machine to run it on. I purchased a Gateway 2000 machine (big mistake there, but I'll save the sob story for the end of this message). The current situation is that I have all of the parts that I need, but due to Gateway's inability to much of anything right, I have in my hands an Adaptec 1542B SCSI card but *without* the Adaptec user's manual and drivers diskette. Gateway promises delivery in "3 to 5" days, but I will believe that when I see it. Could someone who is using this card send me a copy of the Adaptec drivers diskette and (if it is not too much to ask) a copy of the manual? I really need to get this ball rolling and will be happy to pay FedEx shipping for you. I'll reimburse you for copying expense too - whatever it takes! Hubert Hickman hickman@cse.unl.edu (402) 334-7534 (Voice) (402) 330-8613 (Fax). NeXTMail OK. GATEWAY HORROR STORY FOLLOWS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- April 6. I ordered a 486DX2-66V from Gateway - with a 500 Meg SCSI drive and was promised the Adaptec controller. I did not get a monitor and had the machine equipped with the minimal 4 Megs of RAM. I ordered the coax Intel EtherExpress card and as is required had the ATI Mach32 card upgraded to 2 Megs. April 13. The machine arrives. It is missing one of its feet and I had to prop it on a stack of paper. The Ethernet card is twisted-pair. The SCSI controller card is an UltraStor 34F. I called customer support to get things straight. The 'droid on the line issues an order for a replacement foot (order #1) and does an RMA (#1) for the Ethernet card. She hasn't got a clue about what to do regarding the SCSI card problem. She tells me to contact my sales rep. I then contact my sales rep. He has no clue why customer support would tell me to call him back. I call back to customer support and finally (or so I thought) talk to someone who will straighten it out. (RMA #2) During the next few days, a replacement foot and the Ethernet card arrive. The foot is black and shaped differently than the white feet on the case. Fortunately, it is the same height. April 21. A replacement SCSI card (finally) arrives, and lo and behold it is yet another UltraStor 34F. I called back customer service and according to the person I speak with, the RMA clearly states that the card should be an Adaptec!. They promise to get this out ASAP. (RMA #3) April 23. An Adaptec 1542B does finally show up. However, I only have the card. No user's manual, no drivers diskette. I call Gateway again and they promise to send out the manual and diskette. (order #2). I have been calling Gateway daily since all of this has occurred to check status and make sure that nothing has fallen through the cracks........ I have talked with the sales rep, customer support, and tech support. I have sent faxes to them. How hard can it be to get something right!!!!!!!! I would not recommend Gateway to my worst enemy.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd) Subject: Keyboard dead, mouse alive. Suggestions? Message-ID: <1993Apr24.033415.28530@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Summary: Need advice on Keyboard death of NeXTStation Keywords: NeXT, broken, kaput, inoperable, fubar, busted Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 03:34:15 GMT Help! Upon returning to my room today, I found that my keyboard was not responding to any keystrokes! It's a non-ADB system running 3.0. The mouse works fine, and clicks work fine, but any keypress save that of the power button (which I assume is on a circuit of it's own) does not register. After taking the keyboard apart, I can see no loose connections, and I also can see that the mouse feeds into the same 8850 chip as the keys. Does this mean that there is some internal (within the B/W monitor or Station) error? Or is there still hope for a simple keyboard fix? John PS: If this is a larger (ie: internal) error, is there a way to select serial port A as the alternate keyboard without having to use the keyboard?) -- John Todd | University of Rochester, Rochester NY | NRA - Pro-Choice CPU 276686 | "Charracter is whata you arre ina the dark!" - E. Lizardo Rochester NY 14627| Jeeps Bought/Sold * Dictators Overthrown * Bombs Defused jtod@alora.cc.rochester.edu (NeXT mail) jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT Mono. Printer on '486 PC Date: 24 Apr 1993 02:12:11 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ra7lrINNde0@clem.handheld.com> References: <1993Apr19.083513.5936@xexos.com> In article <1993Apr19.083513.5936@xexos.com> mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.190045.27627@fnbc.com> billb@fnbc.com (Bill Burcham) > writes: > > Will I ever be able to use my NeXT Mono. Printer on a '486 running > > NeXTSTEP Intel? > > > -- > > No. Well, unless someone should just happen to bring out a "NeXTPrinter" > expansion card and writes drivers for it. > > -- > Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 > Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 > London mark@xexos.com Just stick it on an old '030 board, with a 200mb or so scsi drive running NS3.0 and use it as a networked printer. Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93 "If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
From: 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT & WORM Date: 24 Apr 1993 05:56:44 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Message-ID: <0096B7C3.C0C2DC60@vms.csd.mu.edu> Hi all! I'd like to know if anyone has any info on running a Maxtor 800 SCSI WORM drive on a NeXT? Can it be done? Thanks! Ryan Brooks 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu NeXTmail: ryan@carie.mcs.mu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: villy@hatch.socal.com (Will Hartung) Subject: Re: Tape drives? Message-ID: <C5yyGx.1oC@hatch.socal.com> Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail. Playa del Rey, CA References: <1r66bf$jtg@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <1r92duINN7oq@systemix.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 03:46:03 GMT In article <1r92duINN7oq@systemix.com> brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) writes: >I strongly recommend that you don't buy anything other than DAT. With the >prices that DATs can be had for, their 2 to 8 GByte capacity, random >seek capability, and quiet operation, it's hard to make a case for anything >else. Assuming one picks up one of these technological wonders, how does one take advantage of the random seek ability and whatnot? Is special software required? Do we all get to roll our own drivers? I've always heard that DATs are wonderful, but I've found them rather frustrating to deal with and they don't seem to be as "mindlessly" portable from platform to platform as the generic cartridge tapes, but then maybe it's because I always treat as mere cartridge tape (i.e. nothing more sophiticated than tar cvf /dev/dattape .). Will (me@zipbang.socal.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542C SCSI cards ok for NS/FIP? Message-ID: <1993Apr23.220152.8879@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <leigh.735549882@cuscus> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 22:01:52 GMT In article <leigh.735549882@cuscus> leigh@cs.uwa.oz.au (Leigh SMITH) writes: > Greetings all, > > While the hardware compatibility list for NS/486 Intel lists the > Adaptec 1542B SCSI card as the supported one, do the newer and more > available 1542C cards also work? According to comp.periphs.scsi, a > lot of people are having problems with the C under OS's like linux. > > Have any of the beta sites used 1542C cards ok, or does anyone know? > At present I'm shopping around for a SCSI card and the 1542B might be > a bit hard to get hold of as I understand it is superceded by the C. The Adaptec 1542C does not work with PR1, but will be supported in the May 25th release. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: HP LaserJet 4M (PS) Problem with Calibrated Color Space Date: 24 Apr 1993 11:19:38 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rb7oa$frn@agate.berkeley.edu> I am having a problem with HP LaserJet 4M 600 dpi (with PS SIMM) with respect to calibrated color space. The symptom is that all gray value >= 0.84 becomes completely white and there is no gradation for gray values in the range 0.84 - 1.0. (Or density <= 16% becomes complete white.) This only happens with HP LaserJet 4 (with PS SIMM). Exactly the same file printed on NeXT 400dpi laser printer shows good shades of grays for all values (0 - 1). This obviously messes up my density plots (light gray becomes complete white). To test this fully, I wrote a simple EPS file included below. It prints a density calibration chart in 1% steps from 0 .. 100%. If you have a HP LaserJet 4 with PostScript, please print it straight to the printer. How does it come out? On our LaserJet 4M PS, all squares from 1% through 16% are totally white! Whatever calibrations are done, it should never put hard saturations and bottom-outs. Also try out the file on any other PS Level-2 printers, and please tell me what you see, i.e., how low density (near 10%) grays come out. HPLJ4's 600dpi is great, but I didn't expect this problem. Thanks for your help. ----(cut here) DensityCalibration.eps ------------------------------------ %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-2.0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 612 792 %%Title: PostScript Density Calibration Chart %%Creator: Izumi Ohzawa %%Date: 93-04-23 %% Excerpted prolog from NeXT printPackage.ps /__NXdef{1 index where{pop pop pop}{def}ifelse}bind def /__NXbdef{1 index where{pop pop pop}{bind def}ifelse}bind def % Set PostScript Level Flag here. /_NXLevel2 systemdict /languagelevel known {languagelevel 2 ge}{false}ifelse __NXdef % /_NXLevel2 false __NXdef % This forces PS Level-1 _NXLevel2{ % PS Level-2 definitions (excerpts) ------------------------------------------------ /NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace where{pop}{ /NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace {mark /NXCalibratedRGB /ColorSpace findresource exch pop}stopped {cleartomark /NXCalibratedRGB[/CIEBasedABC 2 dict dup begin /MatrixLMN[.4124 .2126 .0193 .3576 .7152 .1192 .1805 .0722 .9505]def /WhitePoint[.9505 1 1.089] def end] /ColorSpace defineresource}if def}ifelse /nxsetrgbcolor{NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace setcolorspace setcolor}__NXbdef /nxsetgray{dup dup nxsetrgbcolor}__NXbdef } { % PS Level-1 definitions (excerpts) ------------------------------------------------- /nxsetrgbcolor{setrgbcolor}__NXbdef /nxsetgray{setgray}__NXbdef } ifelse % My code for generating Density Calibration chart. % I use 'nxsetgray' to enable Level-2 Color Calibration /paperwidth 612 def % already defined /paperheight 792 def /temp-str 10 string def % i on stack /draw_box { gsave 0 nxsetgray 0 -10 rmoveto dup 100 exch sub temp-str cvs show ( %) show grestore 40 0 rlineto 0 45 rlineto -40 0 rlineto closepath gsave 100 div nxsetgray fill grestore 0 nxsetgray stroke } def /Helvetica findfont 10 scalefont setfont 0.5 setlinewidth 0 1 100 { dup dup 10 idiv 66 mul 40 add % i i yp exch % i yp i 10 mod 50 mul 100 add paperwidth exch sub % i yp xp exch moveto draw_box } for /Times-Roman findfont 16 scalefont setfont 60 720 moveto (Density Calibration Chart) show 60 700 moveto (This printer's PostScript Level is: ) show _NXLevel2 { ( 2) show } { ( 1) show } ifelse showpage %%Trailer ----(cut here) ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542C SCSI cards ok for NS/FIP? Message-ID: <1993Apr24.122952.13715@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Keywords: Adaptec 1542C, NS/FIP Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service References: <leigh.735549882@cuscus> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 12:29:52 GMT In article <leigh.735549882@cuscus> leigh@cs.uwa.oz.au (Leigh SMITH) writes: >Greetings all, > >While the hardware compatibility list for NS/486 Intel lists the >Adaptec 1542B SCSI card as the supported one, do the newer and more >available 1542C cards also work? According to comp.periphs.scsi, a >lot of people are having problems with the C under OS's like linux. The 1542C card does not work on the March Beta. It will work in the May Release. -- Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my former employer.
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542C SCSI cards ok for NS/FIP? Date: 24 Apr 1993 09:29:15 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1rbfbbINNrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> References: <leigh.735549882@cuscus> <1993Apr24.122952.13715@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Keywords: Adaptec 1542C, NS/FIP In article <1993Apr24.122952.13715@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman) writes: >In article <leigh.735549882@cuscus> leigh@cs.uwa.oz.au (Leigh SMITH) writes: >>Greetings all, >> >>While the hardware compatibility list for NS/486 Intel lists the >>Adaptec 1542B SCSI card as the supported one, do the newer and more >>available 1542C cards also work? According to comp.periphs.scsi, a >>lot of people are having problems with the C under OS's like linux. > >The 1542C card does not work on the March Beta. It will work in the >May Release. > >-- > Joe Freeman joe@FreemanSoft.com (919).783.7033 > > The opinions espressed here are my own and are not > shared by my former employer. Mr Freeman and Mr Carling, can I ask a favor? Since you seem to know what and what is not going to be supported in the May release, can we have a list, instead of learning these things piecemeal? It would be greatly appreciated for we who are trying to arrange budgets and purchasing decisions now (university faculties etc. have to know these things before June!). Thanks R. Brooks Johns Hopkins Univ. email robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: root@nl.oracle.com (Operator) Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help needed with SCSI disk MODE SELECT Message-ID: <3891@nlsun1.oracle.nl> Date: 24 Apr 93 15:36:58 GMT Followup-To: comp.periphs.scsi Organization: Oracle Europe I hope someone can help me with the following: I got a used Data General Aviion 300 series workstation. It came with a 322Mb disk. The disk is a Micropolis 1578-15, OEM'ed by Data General. The people I got it from tried to reformat the drive on a Sun. Now it keeps returning "Illegal Request" errors when trying to access a block beyond about 150Mb. I tried to format the drive again on a NeXT. The formatter changed the block size from 512 to 1024, and now the Aviion can't access the disk at all. I tried to set the bolcksize back to 512, but the drive returns "Illegal Request" for that also. I tried to format the drive with an Adaptec PC SCSI controller BIOS formatter, which was supposed to set the drive block size to 512. But it failed too, Illegal Request. I have a set of programs for the NeXT called scsitools which are supposedly able to modify the 'Mode Select Pages'. I don't know what these pages contain. And I have no documentation for the drive. I was wondering if someone could tell me how I can return this drive to its original settings. I called Micropolis, but they referred me to Data General because it is an OEM drive. Data General said that I could pay $250 and then they would send someone to have a look at the drive. I don't have a maintenance contract for the system, and I don't want to spend that much money on a drive of which they're not sure it will work again. Also I would like to know where I can find more information about the mode select pages. If you can help me with any of this, or if you need more info, please email me. Our news system isn't very reliable. Thanks. Herbert.
From: next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542C SCSI cards ok for NS/FIP? Keywords: Adaptec 1542C, NS/FIP Message-ID: <D7ui3B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 13:45:24 CDT References: <leigh.735549882@cuscus> Organization: TCS Consulting Services leigh@cs.uwa.oz.au (Leigh SMITH) writes: > Greetings all, > > While the hardware compatibility list for NS/486 Intel lists the > Adaptec 1542B SCSI card as the supported one, do the newer and more > available 1542C cards also work? According to comp.periphs.scsi, a > lot of people are having problems with the C under OS's like linux. > > Have any of the beta sites used 1542C cards ok, or does anyone know? > At present I'm shopping around for a SCSI card and the 1542B might be > a bit hard to get hold of as I understand it is superceded by the C. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, help me if you can. If my source is telling the truth I can still get the 1542B cards... Unfortunately for us, as of this time the 1542C does NOT work with NS/i. I've seen this discussed here as well as the new compatibility guide specifically states that 1542C will not work. Sorry... Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS: NeXTSTEP-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
From: ralf@reswi.en.open.de (Ralf E. Stranzenbach) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 4M Problem with NeXT Calibrated Color Date: 25 Apr 93 01:47:37 Organization: News Server fuer en.open.de Distribution: world Message-ID: <RALF.93Apr25014737@jodokus.en.open.de> References: <1r8n78$mvg@agate.berkeley.edu> <1r9vhd$713@agate.berkeley.edu> In-reply-to: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu's message of 23 Apr 1993 23:53:17 GMT >>>>> "Izumi" == Izumi Ohzawa <izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu> writes: Izumi> NNTP-Posting-Host: moica.berkeley.edu Izumi> In article <1r8n78$mvg@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >I am having a related problem with printing on HP LaserJet 4M 600 dpi >(with PS), and I have determined that this problem has to do with >color calibration. > >The simptom is that all gray value >= 0.84 becomes completely white and >there is no gradation for gray values in the range 0.84 - 1.0. >This only happens with HP LaserJet 4 (with PS SIMM). Exactly the >same file printed on NeXT 400dpi laser printer shows good shades of >grays for all values (0 - 1). >This obviously messes up my density plots (light gray becomes complete >white). Izumi> To test this fully, I wrote a simple EPS file included below. It Izumi> prints a density calibration chart in 1% steps from 0 .. 100%. Izumi> If you have a HP LaserJet 4 with PostScript, please print it Izumi> straight to the printer. Please also compare this with the Izumi> version printed from a drawing application by importing this EPS Izumi> file. Is there any difference? I've checked this out using FrameMaker. Same problem. The "pure" eps file prints well but imported into the a FrameMaker document the first "grey" square is that 17%. I had the same problem some days ago when i've imported a Illustrator graphic. - ralf -- Ralf E.Stranzenbach - (NeXT)-Mail: ralf@reswi.en.open.de Fido: Ralf_Stranzenbach 2:245/5800.12 (Voice)-Phone: +49 2302 / 68403 -- In jedem grossen Problem steckt ein kleines, das gerne raus will.
From: kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Whining disk Message-ID: <43u402KL40Vo01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 23 Apr 93 14:53:14 GMT References: <Qfp6yGr0BwyOII0k9X@transarc.com> <1993Apr21.150424.17805@news.nd.edu> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA In article <1993Apr21.150424.17805@news.nd.edu>, matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer) writes: >My Seagate 240 megabyte drive just started doing the same thing about a 2 >weeks ago. The technician I talked to at seagate said it might fail soon, >so the safest thing would be to replace it. You can send it back to >seagate and they will send you a new, refurbished (I thought refurbished >meant not new...) one with a one year warranty for a certain price, in my >case $425. I'm going to hold on to it until I can't stand the noise any >longer, hoping it doesn't fail. Hard drive prices keep dropping, so by >then I can get a bigger drive for the same money. Why spend $425 on a 240MB drive that you had bad experiences with? You can get a Quantum 240MB drive out here for $349 and other drives of similar capacities for less than $400. I can get a new Seagate 240 MB for $400 and that's a walk in place not mail order? Check around prices a cheap. -- /* What me, speak for Amdahl? Get real. These opinions and statements */ /* belong to me and me only. If something I said offends you, it's */ /* either you got a thin skin or that I'm just offensive. Who cares. */ /* */ /* Work - kls30@cd.amdahl.com - Don't send NeXTmail!! */ /* Play - kent@infoserv.com - NeXTmail welcome */
From: pakala@sdl.egr.uh.edu (Rama R. Pakala) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HELP! My optical drive does not read my optical disk anymore ... Date: 25 Apr 1993 04:48:43 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1rd57b$dnj@menudo.uh.edu> Hi netters, I am unable to use my optical drive as it does not read, even recognize an optical introduced into the drive. The following error appears on my console: od0?: drive command failed (busy timeout #1) block 0 phys block -66384 (0:0:0) Could anyone tell me what that means? Also, I had noticed that a lot of dust was being accumulated around my computer, and conceivably there is a lot of dust inside the cube as well - could that be causing problems in reading the optical (of course it could be, right)? Is there a prescribed way to getting to remove the dust? One of my friends was telling me that he remembered when NeXT used to sell(?) cleaning kits - do they still do? Any suggestions and help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot. -- Rama Rao Pakala, Systems Design Laboratory, W224-D3, College of Engineering, University of Houston ************************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: CD300 Audio CD SCSI commands Message-ID: <1993Apr25.052316.12710@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 05:23:16 GMT Hi- Does anyone out there know how I would get started on writing a device driver for the Apple CD300 CD-ROM drive, which *can* read audio CD formats out through the SCSI bus? Thanks, -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542C SCSI cards ok for NS/FIP? Message-ID: <1993Apr24.222134.563@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1rbfbbINNrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 22:21:34 GMT In article <1rbfbbINNrun@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) writes: > Mr Freeman and Mr Carling, > > can I ask a favor? Since you seem to know what and what is > not going to be supported in the May release, can we have > a list, instead of learning these things piecemeal? It would > be greatly appreciated for we who are trying to arrange budgets > and purchasing decisions now (university faculties etc. have > to know these things before June!). Until the code is frozen, no one can write a definitive list--at least I can't. These things are changing rapidly. I advise delaying a NS/i purchase until EXPO or later if at all possible, and I strongly advise buying a machine with NS pre-installed. There will be several interesting announcements between now and EXPO. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: INTEL P/GX workstation and NSI Message-ID: <93Apr23.222812.39411@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 22:28:12 GMT References: <1993Apr23.000643.285@eps.com> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > Does anyone know the latest on the INTEL Professional GX > workstation and NSI? We're working very hard at evaluating a number of Intel-based products. The Intel GX is certainly one of the best, so good that we're ordering a few for internal use immediately. > Specificaly the onboard SCSI. Or will it be necessary to > install the DPT EISA scsi controller. Intel has committed to write (or have others write) drivers for the audio and SCSI that come integrated on the GX motherboard. Last I heard the audio should be ready at the end of May and the SCSI driver didn't have a target date, but wasn't expected to be too much behind. Neither of these dates is 100% firm, regardless. We're using an Adaptec 1542B with our GX and it works quite nicely. Despite NeXT warning that ISA SCSI adaptors wouldn't have throughput as good as EISA, they're certainly more than acceptable (I'm getting about 1.8 MB/sec from our Toshiba 1.2GB drive on the Adaptec). In any case, the Adaptec makes an inexpensive SCSI controller for use until native drivers are ready. > Any opinions on the system overall. Price performace etc.. I > just received a price for one today at $2835.00 which was for > 8mb RAM, 2mb vram, 64k cache configuration. Be sure to talk to ANDI if you're a NeXT developer as they get better pricing still. I believe they were advertising $2235 until the end of April for the same system. Performance wise: The GX runs rings around a few other systems we have CPU-wise. NXBench reports 58027 dhrystones, or about 36.84 VAX MIPS. That's about 20% faster than our Epson Progression NX (both 66MHz DX/2's) and about 100% faster than my non-turbo cube! > Still need to add a HD and maybe the DPT EISA scsi controller > if NSI does not support the onboard scsi. Sounds funny that an > INTEL name brand computer would not be fully compatible with > NSI. Or is it NeXTStep for Intel..... No no no. NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors. And yes, it does seem odd that the support won't be there. Intel does seem to go out of their way not to annoy Compaq et al by being VERY low profile with their own hardware line. Makes sense. -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eric%basilisk@src.honeywell.com (Eric D. Engstrom) Subject: Re: Whining disk Message-ID: <C61nL5.L7@basilisk.uucp> Sender: eric@basilisk.uucp (Eric D. Engstrom) Organization: anonymous References: <Qfp6yGr0BwyOII0k9X@transarc.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 14:43:52 GMT Ward_Travis@transarc.com writes: > I've got one of those 406Mb Seagate original-equipment hard disks in my > slab, and after two years, it's whining so loud that the slab and all > has been placed in a nearby (ventilated) closet. And matt@zeb.ame.nd.edu (Matthew J. Grismer) writes: > My Seagate 240 megabyte drive just started doing the same thing about a 2 > weeks ago. The technician I talked to at seagate said it might fail soon, > so the safest thing would be to replace it. You can send it back to > seagate and they will send you a new, refurbished (I thought refurbished > meant not new...) one with a one year warranty for a certain price, in my > case $425. Does anyone out there know what kind of warrenty (from NeXT or Segate) would cover this problem (INCLUDING the one-year std. NeXT warranty)? I'm having the same problem and personally don't think I should have to fork out ANY money, much less the price of entirely new drive, to get the current one serviced (which arrived on my desk last May, i.e., under 1 year still). I'm also a bit concerned that if I send it to NeXT, I won't see it back for a long, long time (this is my system disk you realize ;-) +------------ Eric D. Engstrom, Honeywell Systems & Research Center, Mpls, MN, USA engstrom@src.honeywell.com -or- NeXT: eric%basilisk@src.honeywell.com < I eat from the four food groups: Barley, Hops, Yeast, Water >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: carter@cae.wisc.edu (Carter Gregory) Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Distribution: usa Date: 25 Apr 93 11:44:38 CDT Message-ID: <1993Apr25.114438.16516@doug.cae.wisc.edu> References: <3911@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> <tecot.735093703@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> <1qqla6INN7ho@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> In article <1qqla6INN7ho@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes: >In article <tecot.735093703@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot) writes: >>>A professor of mine once said "The difference between a Computer Engineer and >>>a Computer Scientist is about $5000" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than >>>P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke >>>Scott >> >>For the most part, this is a bunch of bunk. I've got a Computer Engineering >>degree, yet I've spent the last 7 years writing software that people actually >>use. Moreover, the salary distinctions are incorrect; I received 3 job offers >>upon graduation; the two jobs that actually used my hardware experience were >>$7000/year lower! My advice is to decide which classes and projects most >>interest you, and pick the major that allows you to take them. >> >>_emt > > Well here is my $0.02 worth. Advice from a grad student. > > I agree with the gentlemen who wrote the comment before me. >The important thing is pick what ever interest you the most and >learn as much as possible about it. > > In my five years of education in this field, though brief >compare to alot of people, I had to think about this kind of >question a lot. Did I make the right decision in going into >Electrical Engineering as opposed to Computer engineering or >CS? The more I go thru school, the more I believe that this >kind of question is irrelevant. > Interesting, as I think computer technology is now becomming widespread enough now that it is no longer a position which must require a degree. I know of several people I work with that make just as much as I do and they don't even have a BS degree in comp sci. yet they make 28+ a year. They also didn't have to pay 30 grand to thier local University either. :( I think computer programming is being reduced to a trade practice, than a truly specialty field. It will be even more so in the future. If your interested in cutting edge type of stuff and you choose CS as I did, I suggest checking out the emerging field of Software Engineering. The difficulties for example of designing scaleable design environments for individuals so that a single person can handle 100,000 to 1,000,000 million lines of code all by himself in a reasonable manner and then incorporate that into a teamwork enviroment is truly a gigantic problem...not going to be solved any time soon unfortunately...but hey you could be the person that provides the missing key for some good groundwork! > I have come to believe that choosing CS because one >does not like hardware or choosing hardware because one does >not like to program is really doing an injustice of building >and computer and making it useful for something. Everything >is interwoven and inseparable. CS, CE, and EE are all a >part of a really great discipline and do depend on each other. > > My advice is don't limit yourself, but make a decision >based on which major will give you the best opportunities to >learn. That of course depends on the curriculum at your >persective school. I would choose a major that allows me to >explore as much as possible. Beside, I don't know why the >school would make a student choose a major before her/his >sophamore year. > > Hey you may be so interested in this field that you >decided to learn all about the making of computers in which >case, you suffer a little more and go to grad school. > > About the money. Don't look at the averages, if you >are good, you are going to earn more money than anyone else. >If you are a superstar programmer, you will earn millions. >Like wise if you are a hotshot computer designers. Well, if your like the poor slobs in the world..like me, you are in no financial position to continue Graduate work right out of a Top 10 comp sci school. The trick is, to find some generous INC you work for to PAY for the rest of your education...TRUST ME its the best way to go..even if you don't get a TOP salary. Which I have always been a poor slob throughout school but if you follow this rule: BOOK=SALARY=FOOD&SHELTER you should always have a computer and you won't go hungry. What else could a man want?! > >- Chung Yang > -Greg Carter
From: wdempsey@athena.mit.edu (Wayne R Dempsey) Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.other,athena.forsale,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.mac,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted Subject: Computer Equipment Garage Sale!!! Date: 26 Apr 1993 03:31:51 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1rfl37INNosi@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Computer Equipment Garage Sale: I've finally decided to clean out my closets and get rid of some of the stuff that is broken or not being used by me. I've put together a list and indicated what I think each item is worth. This is just my estimate, and I am very open to any offers, including trades. I'm currently looking for some CD-ROMs that will work with a Mac CD ROM player CD Caddies, HD floppy disks, any used Macintosh software, a 387-33Mhz Co-Processor, or basically anything you have lying around (cans of soup, the neighbor's cat, etc...) Make me an offer, no offer will be overlooked... I really want to get rid of this stuff... Ok, Here's the list: 52 Meg 3.5" SCSI Hard Drive. Conner Model #CP-3150. I bought this from a guy at a swap meet to use with my Macintosh. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get it to work with the SCSI controller in my computer. The guy tested it with his PC, and printed out a copy of the Norton Disk Doctor report which says it has no bad sectors. (I'll send you a copy) I was dumb enough not to get his phone number, so I can't return it to him. The drive has many jumpers on it, (which I don't know how to set) so maybe that's the problem. I was quite disappointed that it didn't work so I'm trying to minimize my losses. ~$45 52 Meg 3.5" SCSI Hard Drive. Conner Model #CP-3150. Same situation as above. I bought both of these drives from the same guy. Despite the different model numbers they are the same exact drive. Same report from NDD (I have one for each drive) will be included. ~$45 40 Meg SONY 3.5" SCSI Hard Drive. SONY Model #SRD2040A. The drive mechanism is completely trashed. This hard drive was in my computer (Mac SE) and had a stiction problem. Well, repeated banging on the side of the computer resulted in a head crash (yes, metal scraping metal) which was not too pleasant to listen to. Still the SCSI controller card is in good working order, and can be used for parts, or a project. ~$20 65 Meg Seagate 5.25" HH SCSI Hard Drive. Model #ST-277N. I originally bought this drive, because it had a small stiction problem, and I though that I could fix it. Well I determined that the drive mechanism was fine, and that it was a controller problem. (motor controller wasn't sending proper signals.) Well, after taking the controller off the drive, looking at it, and putting it back together, I realized that I accidentally severed one of the small flat cables that connect the drive to the controller. I tried to solder it, but I'm not that good at soldering so I couldn't do it. Worked perfectly before I messed up. I used it as a temporary drive when the SONY (above) crashed on me. Also loaded the drive with about twenty Mac applications, worth well over $1000. (Claris CAD, MS Word 5.0, Think C, Excel, and many others) I think all it needs is a resoldering of that cable. You also get all the software on the drive. (if you can accept being a pirate) I only ask that you delete my data files from the drive. I was really angry when I broke that connection, and then couldn't fix it. I just don't have time to play with it any more. ~$65 AT&T ISDN 7500 Modem. This is for use on digital phone systems. If you know what this is or would like technical information on it, let me know. I have some tech documents on it. Is supposed to be the same thing as an AT&T digital phone, but without the phone part. It seems to be in working order (passes self test perfectly OK). I have no idea how this is worth... Let me know if you're interested. Motorola 68881 CoProcessor. I haven't tested this one out yet, but if anyone is interested I will get it tested out, to make sure that it works. I had trouble using it with my accelerator board, but then I spoke to the manufacturer of the board and found out it couldn't be used without another controller chip. When I was looking around to buy one new, the prices were around $100. I will guarantee this to work. ~$65 CGA Card. Half-Length. 8-bit. Wasn't working last time I checked (although I think I was using a bad monitor) ~$5 5.25" 360K Floppy Drive. IBM Drive Type 1355. Guaranteed to work, because when I took it out of the PC, it was working! ~$25 5.25" 360K Floppy Drive. Toshiba Model Number ND-08DE-A. Guaranteed to work. Came out of same PC as above. ~$25 5.25" Floppy Drives. Can't guarantee that these will work. I don't even know if they are low or high density drives. I don't have any method of testing them. Panasonic Model number: JU-455-5 ACG. There's another number on it: 2626-361723. Panasonic Model number: JU-475-2 AGG. There's also another number on it: H3649-101457 Toshiba Model Number ND-08DE. Virtually identical to the one above. Each Drive ~$10 3.5" PS/2 Drive. These things are proprietary, so I can't test it, but I think it works. Not sure if it's high density or low density, but I suppose someone who is looking for one would know. Model Number DFL413C04A. I think these things are expensive to replace. ~$35 MFM Hard Drive Controller Cards. I've got three of these, and I have no way of testing them. Two of them are 8-bit cards, and one is a sixteen bit card with a floppy controller built in. ~$10 for the 8-bits ~$15 for the 16-bit card w/floppy. Interesting cable. Seems to convert from a VGA plug to an EGA plug. That is, standard nine-pin to VGA 15 pin. Made by Hewlett Packard. Part No. D1181-80020 ~$10 I've sold stuff like this before, and it was a huge success, with many satisfied people trading or bartering stuff they didn't need anymore. I usually ship through the U.S. Postal Service (haven't had any problems yet) and the shipping costs will be split or negotiated. Well, that's all folks. As I said before, no offer will be refused. If you can convince me to give OCit to you instead of throwing it out, TRY! I hate to throw away stuff... -Wayne wdempsey@athena.mit.edu (617)-225-9349
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ljh@zoo.bt.co.uk (Les Harvey) Subject: Hard Drive compatability Message-ID: <1993Apr26.081647.2025@zoo.bt.co.uk> Keywords: DEC55-F3, SCSI, Turbo WS Sender: news@zoo.bt.co.uk Organization: BT Laboratories Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 08:16:47 GMT I have some questions regarding using a DEC55-F3 drive with a NeXT Turbo Workstation. Will it work? Has anyone used this configuration? Are adaptors available to convert from the DEC 50 pin 'D' type to the 'standard' 48 pin connector? Thanks in advance. Les Les Harvey BT Labs Phone 0473 647634 Fax 0473 637614
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: real hardware question: impedance of cables Message-ID: <1993Apr26.084238.14364@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 08:42:38 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik Keywords: impedance, cables Does anybody know the impedance of the neXT monochrome CPU-to-monitor cables? I'd like to know whether the video and data lines habe 75Ohms or something else. -Robert -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch ( if all fails try frank@urz.unibas.ch )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kluge daniel) Subject: Re: communication via serial ports Message-ID: <1993Apr26.103040.3565@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <1r0irl$dju@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 10:30:40 GMT at1@next1.ipt.rwth-aachen.de (Andreas Thiel) writes: : I want to connect my NeXTstation (68040) to a measuring instrument with : RS232 port (19200 BPs, no parity, 1 startbit, 1 stopbit).I ve yet : configured the right cable, but I don t know how to transmit some binary : data between the two systems (additional data must not be added during the : transfer!). : Who knows some useful routines for binary transfer via the serial ports? : (I think of something like [readnBytes:n:destination:port] and : [sendnBytes:n:source:port]) : Is there anything to change in files like ttys etc.? : How do I have to initialize the ports? There are several Solutions, in formm of Object-Ware, I don't know all of them, but one that doesn't seemm to be to bad is named 'Serial Solutions 2.0', a test Veersion resides on sonata.cc.purdue.edu. Or, I think U can take some Objects out of 'tip3' (or 'nexttip') which is an tip-clone, completely written in Obj-C. (Source hard to find) - daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
Newsgroups: comp.lang.postscript,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: lilley@v5.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 4M (PS) Problem with Calibrated Color Space Message-ID: <1993Apr26.190959.18211@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Sender: lilley@umrcc.cgu.mcc.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) Organization: Computer Graphics Unit, MCC References: <1rb7oa$frn@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 19:09:59 GMT In article <1rb7oa$frn@agate.berkeley.edu>, izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: >I am having a problem with HP LaserJet 4M 600 dpi (with PS SIMM) with >respect to calibrated color space. >The symptom is that all gray value >= 0.84 becomes completely white and >there is no gradation for gray values in the range 0.84 - 1.0. >(Or density <= 16% becomes complete white.) >This only happens with HP LaserJet 4 (with PS SIMM). Exactly the >same file printed on NeXT 400dpi laser printer shows good shades of >grays for all values (0 - 1). >This obviously messes up my density plots (light gray becomes complete >white). >To test this fully, I wrote a simple EPS file included below. It >prints a density calibration chart in 1% steps from 0 .. 100%. >[...] > /NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace > {mark /NXCalibratedRGB /ColorSpace findresource exch pop}stopped > {cleartomark /NXCalibratedRGB[/CIEBasedABC 2 dict dup begin > /MatrixLMN[.4124 .2126 .0193 .3576 .7152 .1192 .1805 .0722 .9505]def > /WhitePoint[.9505 1 1.089] def end] /ColorSpace defineresource}if def}ifelse > /nxsetrgbcolor{NXCalibratedRGBColorSpace setcolorspace setcolor}__NXbdef > /nxsetgray{dup dup nxsetrgbcolor}__NXbdef >} { > % PS Level-1 definitions (excerpts) >------------------------------------------------- > /nxsetrgbcolor{setrgbcolor}__NXbdef > /nxsetgray{setgray}__NXbdef [...] >% I use 'nxsetgray' to enable Level-2 Color Calibration > >/paperwidth 612 def % already defined >/paperheight 792 def >/temp-str 10 string def > >% i on stack [...] > 100 div nxsetgray OK. So you test for Level 2 and if present, use a calibrated RGB space. Good idea if you want the same colours on different devices. Your problem is that (any) RGB space is not perceptually linear, so it is not an appropriate choice in this instance. I suggest you use a CIEBasedA colour space for nxsetgray. This will give you an even gradation between black and white in your loop. Try this example: ---------------- snip snip -------------- %!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-2.0 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 500 300 %%Pages: 1 /boxit { %% draw a box gsave /uy exch def /ux exch def /ly exch def /lx exch def 1 setlinewidth 0 setgray lx ly moveto lx uy lineto ux uy lineto ux ly lineto closepath stroke grestore } def %%Page: 1 1 %% First do the Y component from 0 to 1. Use ISO D65 whitepoint. [/CIEBasedA << /MatrixA [0.9504 1 1.0889] /RangeLMN [0 0.9504 0 1 0 1.0889] /WhitePoint [0.9504 1 1.0889] >>] setcolorspace 4.0 setlinewidth 0 0.001 1.0 { dup setcolor 400 mul 25 add dup 25 moveto 125 lineto stroke } for 25 25 425 125 boxit %% now do the L* component from 0 to 100 %% set up L* monochrome colourspace [/CIEBasedA << /RangeA [0 100] /DecodeA {16 add 116 div dup 6 29 div ge {dup dup mul mul} {4 29 div sub 108 841 div mul} ifelse} bind /MatrixA [0.9504 1 1.0889] /RangeLMN [0 0.9504 0 1 0 1.0889] /WhitePoint [0.9504 1 1.0889] >>] setcolorspace 0 1 100 { dup setcolor 4 mul 25 add dup 175 moveto 275 lineto stroke } for 25 175 425 275 boxit showpage %%EOF ---------------- snip snip --------------- -- Chris Lilley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical Author, ITTI Computer Graphics and Visualisation Training Project Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Road, Manchester, UK. M13 9PL Internet: C.C.Lilley@mcc.ac.uk Voice: +44 (0)61 275 6045 Fax: +44 (0)61 275 6040 Janet: C.C.Lilley@uk.ac.mcc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: Help! Adaptec 1542 drivers + a Gateway horror story Message-ID: <1993Apr26.211148.20535@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <1ra199INNbq1@crcnis1.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 21:11:48 GMT hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) writes: >[...] > GATEWAY HORROR STORY FOLLOWS >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >[...] Well, without either contradicting or affirming this wonderful story, I'll merely repeat something a former boss used to like to recite: "Price, Quality, Service -- Pick any two" and supplement it with my own observations over time: "Price, Quality, Service -- Hope for one". Welcome to the wonderful world of commodity, direct-marketed, lowest- common-denominator hardware! :~) -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | easier to write and run faster, or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | too." -ad for OS/2 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Subject: Apple CD300 and NeXTSTEP 3.0 Message-ID: <aw553kc@rpi.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 20:03:18 GMT Being a CD-ROM fanatic, I've bought one of the new Apple CD300 (double-speed, multi-session) CD-ROM drives. I don't have a multi-session CD to try out on it, but I have been using it on a NeXTSTEP color turbo machine for testing my pCD application. It seems that the NeXT sometimes has troubles when reading large files off the CD300. It doesn't happen on all files, but on any files where it does happen it seems to happen every time. Taking the same CD disc and reading it from a NeXT CD-ROM drive does not come up with any of the same errors. I also don't seem to get any errors on one of the older Apple CD-ROM drives when connected to the NeXT, and I don't get any errors when connecting the CD300 to a Mac IIci and reading the same discs. I just thought I'd mention this behavior, as the prevailing wisdom has been that the Apple CD300 works fine on the NeXT. And it *does* work fine for me, except for the occasional file where I run into this error. So far I've never seen the error pop up on any small (under a few megabytes) file, but then most of what I've been playing with (CD-ROM wise) has been large files. The error on the console tends to be something like: sd1 (3,0): ERROR op:0x28 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd1 (3,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x64 SCSI Block in error = 54262 (no valid label) (with different scsi-blocks-in-error for different files) A friend of mine lent me a Texel 5024 CD-ROM drive (which he claims is a little faster than Apple's), and it exhibitted the same problem with reading large files, only more often. There are some files that the CD300 reads without error but which hit many similar error messages on the 5024. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wahl@ulixes.zuo.dec.com (aw) Subject: NSI runs on DECpc 466d2LP (TIGER II) Message-ID: <1993Apr27.063955.2256@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Sender: news@ryn.mro4.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 06:39:55 GMT ===================================================================== NeXTSTEP for Intel Prerelease 1 runs on DECpc 466D2LP (TIGER II line) ===================================================================== This note is to inform you that we have succesfully installed NeXTSTEP for Intel Prerelease 1 on a DECpc 466D2LP (486 66 MHz based, Adaptec 1542B ISA SCSI adapter). As the factory installed ethernet controller is (not yet?) supported in the prerelease, we could not test the network. However, we were very pleased with the performance and the overall behaviour of the prerelease software. We are also planning to continue our investigations on NeXTSTEP for Intel running on DEC PCs. Everyone who is interested in sharing experience on this topic, please send me mail with your email address (send mail to wahl@minny.enet.dec.com). We would like to discuss those things offline, based on a mailing list with specific interests. ================================================================== name: Adrian WAHL email: wahl@minny.enet.dec.com FAX: +41 1 801 3222 ==================================================================
From: boehm@cs.uni-duesseldorf.de (Max Boehm) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Archive Viper 150, Help! Date: 27 Apr 1993 12:41:34 GMT Organization: Heinrich Heine Universitaet Duesseldorf Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rj9luINNfhb@unidus.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de> Keywords: tape drive problem Piotr Palacz / Julian Edwards wrote: >I connected an external tape drive - Archive Viper 150 unit from Sun - >to my slab and have the following problem: >although I can eg. rewind the tape using mt, I cannot write to it, >eg. tar cvf /dev/rst0, after flashing drive's light briefly, returns >'tape error. I/O error'. The problem is in the device driver (sd) which does not switch to fixed block size mode. I wrote an utility to access the tape which is available on the Oregon State FTP server (cs.orst.edu). The file is ArchiveViper150Tool.tar.Z which I have put it in /pub/next/submissions. - Max Boehm
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Recommended hard disk drives and suppliers Date: 27 Apr 1993 16:36:37 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Distribution: na Message-ID: <1rjnelINN2f5@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Keywords: disk Having just returned from a 6-week vacation with NO COMPUTER CONTACTS, I feel a little out of touch with the current hard disk options and vendors. I need to buy a high-performance 3.5" external drive of probably the largest available capacity because the $/MB seems to be so much more reasonable for high-capacity drives. I'd appreciate your recommendations for vendors and drives. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Conflict: NeXT CD-ROM drive and HSC Scan-X Color Message-ID: <1993Apr26.150814.2073@dale.ksc.nasa.gov> From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:08:14 GMT Sender: news@dale.ksc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA The subject says it all. My CD-ROM drive cannot coexist on the SCSI bus with my HSD Scan-X Color scanner; I've tried all conceivable combinations and cable substitutions. Whenever both of these devices are on the bus, I can't even boot; I get a SCSI parity error. BTW-- the scanner has only one SCSI connector, and is terminated internally. Everything works fine when either the scanner or the CD-ROM drive are removed from the bus. Other devices connected are the internal (420MB) hard drive, an external PLI 630MB hard drive, and a NeXT Color Printer. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Steve Davis | sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov | | NASA, DL-DSD-32 | #include <disclaimer.h> | | Kennedy Space Center, FL 32899 | HSSC Mail: RDAVIS | | (407)867-7582 fax:(407)867-2173 | HSSC Phone: 633-5799 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NEXT..... WHAT'S NEXT??? Message-ID: <2bdd6e83.8e15d4.0@BEIZ.mediatex.ch> From: Ikki@BEIZ.mediatex.ch (064230062: Fernmeldedirektion Olten) Date: 27 Apr 1993 17:33:55 CET Organization: MEDIAtex AG, CH-8807 Freienbach/SZ Now that Steve Jobs has giving up NeXT, it seems that the computer itself will go down, but NeXtsteps will remain. I heard something like that Canon bought NeXT. So... What's next with NeXT? Thanks for replying. P.S: Are there now some NeXTs cheap avai able? If yes where? Greetings. Internet: Ikki(at)BEIZ.mediatex.ch |B B| |E CH: VTX *3600# E| |I D: BTX *28881# I| |Z Z|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: I cannot mount DOS floppies. Can you help? Message-ID: <1993Apr27.165658.3877@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:56:58 GMT I can mount NeXT floppies fine. I can even format DOS floppies... at least the console says the format was successful. However, niether the floppies I format as DOS nor the DOS floppy that came with the _NeXTSTEP Programming_ book will mount. I get the console error: > mount: unknown filesystem type: dos > mount: giving up on: > /hd_floppy and my NeXT spits out the disk.
From: nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: can't kermit under certain circumstances - a mistery?!? Date: 27 Apr 1993 17:18:43 GMT Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University Sender: Paul Nevai Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rjptj$1a4@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu> Originator: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu I am logged into my cube "ops". Everything is nifty and kermit works great. Then I say "rsh ops" or "rlogin ops" to open up a new session. Then I can't kermit from the new sessions! If I say "telnet ops" then kermit works fine. What the heck is going on? Take care...Paul Error message: %kermit -s habos.piskota Error opening /dev/tty congm: No such device or address Paul Nevai nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu Dept Math - Ohio State University 1-614-292-3317 (Office) Columbus, Ohio 43210-1174, U.S.A. 1-614-292-1479 (Math Dept Fax)
From: roskam@clap.inria.fr (Niels Roskam) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cdrom photocd Keywords: cdrom photocd Message-ID: <5726@seti.inria.fr> Date: 27 Apr 93 09:30:56 GMT Sender: news@seti.inria.fr Hi out there, I'm having a Sun Sparc without a CDROM player, a NeXT with a NeXT romdrive which is compatible to a Sony CDU-541 romdrive, and an IRIS with a Toshiba TXM3301E1 romdrive. I want to use one of these drives for my Sun Sparc by connecting it to the Sparc or by mounting them. So, finally there has to be a directory on my Sun like /cdrom with the filesystem on the CD. What do I have to type for this on the Sun ? mount -r next:/dev/??? /cdrom or mount -r iris:/dev/??? /cdrom If it would be possible of course ... And can I read PhotoCD with these drives ? Tanks in advance, Niels (a dutch in Paris) P.S.: running SunOS 4.1.1
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: wagner@utoday.com (Mitch Wagner) Subject: net.views ... next ... responses Organization: Open Systems Today Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 19:53:52 GMT Message-ID: <1993Apr27.195352.482@utoday.com> Is there anything Steve Jobs could have done differently to make Next's hardware strategy successful? From: Anthony Berno <aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> Hi. My name is Anthony Berno, and I'm in my 5th year of the Engineering Physics program at the University of British Columbia. I have a "vintage" cube with OD and 040 upgrade. Anyway, Job's *ideas* were fantastic, but, like with the original Mac, the *implementation* was awful. While I agree that one mustn't let the market set the terms when one's goal is to change the world, small concessions to practicality would have been a big improvement. The cube is a beauty to behold, but alas, the optical was a bust. Fantastically expensive and too slow. If he had simply used a 200 MB HD + floppy in the base model and offered an *option* for an optical, it would have been a much better seller. Like he said, "we bet the company on this." He lost the bet. The optical, and lack of a floppy drive, was probably the single thing which dragged the cube down the most. I was enthusiastic about the "world in your backpack" idea myself, but in retrospect, his stubbornness in the face of this huge, obvious handicap killed him just like it did with the Macintosh. The box itself must be pretty pricey... it is quite deluxe in terms of its design, with the huge form factor, generous power supply, rugged construction, etc. If he had also offered something like the NextStation right off the bat, he would have had a much bigger impact. People hate paying for hardware. Also, Jobs never understood that mediocrity sells while beauty is shunned in the computer industry. Everything about the NeXT is beautiful, from the case to the circuitry to the software. This is part of the reason it failed. Staunchy, conservative businessmen don't seem to like anything that is actually aesthetic. The NeXT was so far ahead of its time that few people understood it. Perhaps now, the wonders of NeXTSTEP can be properly appreciated. I can only hope! The hardware was nice, but as everyone knows, *software* is what counts in today's world. -Anthony From: Chris Marino <chrism@sparc.com> I belive that Next's was doomed because of its combination of hubris and a lack of objectivity. I could list many bad decisions including optical disks, targeting educational markets, 68030, expensive automated manufacturing, the list goes on. These were not bad decisions with the benefit of hindsight, No, each of these was well publicized and critized when they were announced. For so many critical desisions to be made so poorly I can only assume that it was the decision makeing process at Next that was at fault. I don't know exactly how these decision were made, and survived but, perhaps the influ ence of Steve Jobs and the corporate culture was to blame. It seems that this is a good example of what happens when you surrounding yourself with people that think exactly like you do. Your strengths AND weaknesses get magnified. So what I would do differently would be to establish more objectivity in the organization so that better decisions could have been made. It reminds me of Intel's decision to exit the DRAM business in the mid 1980s. What seemes to be a very difficult decision was probably already made for them by the marketplace. As Andy Grove said: If you want to know what a company's strategy is don't listen to what they say, watch what they do! Chris Marino Persident Celeritas, Inc. From: "David B. Chorlian" <davidc@panix.com> 1. The initial mistake was using the 68030. At the time it was designed RISC alternatives were possible, like the MIPS 2000 or the Motorola 88K. Either would have offered much more room for performance improvements. 2. Given the choice of the 68030, the only possible marketing position would be as a "super-Mac", with pricing only slightly above or at the level of the Mac. This would have been a user- oriented strategy, as opposed to a developer-oriented strategy used most recently. The success of this would have depended upon porting a fair number of useful and powerful applications. 3. If they had chosen to go RISC, then their most recent strategy might have worked. I am a programmer in a medical research laboratory using Sun and Concurrent Unix workstations. I have written graphics, number-crunching, data acquisition,... software which is used in a number of labs across the country. Most of my software is not highly interactive, but for those interactive applications I have looked enviously at the NeXT platform. For much of the work we do NeXT would have been fine, but I could not recommend it because of its lack of performance. -- David B. Chorlian Neurodynamics Lab SUNY/HSCB davidc@panix.com From: "David B. Chorlian" <davidc@panix.com> (continuation of previous message) David B. Chorlian Senior Scientific Programmer Neurodynmics Laboratory, State University of New York/Health Science Center Brooklyn -- David B. Chorlian Neurodynamics Lab SUNY/HSCB davidc@panix.com From: "Eric S. Boltz" <eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov> An agreement with Sun, SGI, HP, IBM etc. to cooperate on technology transfer would have done it. NeXT could have produced a 'blessed' SPARC, R4k, PA-RISC or R6000 machine while its collaborator could have licensed NeXTSTEP. --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Ultrasonics & Materials Characterization) eboltz@cndenext.mrs.jhu.edu Materials Reliability Division eboltz@jhuvms.BITNET National Institute of Standards and Technology eboltz@tiber.nist.gov 325 S. Broadway eboltz@granta.nist.gov Boulder, CO 80303 (NeXTMail accepted) (Ph.D. Candidate, Materials Science and Engineering, Johns Hopkins University) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST. From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu> My opinion is that you are asking the wrong question. Your question is based on the assumption that the hardware strategy was the end-all and be-all of NeXT. My response is that the NeXTSTEP *software* is the most important development from NeXT. What NeXT needs to do is come up with a strategy which ensures the success of the strongest product they have. That product is NeXTSTEP. Certainly that software needed excellent hardware to start it off, but as the hardware business gets increasingly competitive it's not clear to me that it's in the best interests of NeXT to concentrate on producing hardware. I also believe that it's important for the computer industry to achieve a divorce between hardware and software. Users should be able to buy the software they prefer, without having that lock them into a hardware decision. People on a tight budget should be able to get that software on the hardware they can afford, while other people with much heavier computational needs should be able to buy that exact same software and run it on the fastest box that they can get their hands on. I believe this is an important goal for *every* OS, not just NeXTSTEP. The questions which seem more relevant to me are: Is it too soon for NeXT to have dropped their own hardware? Will this hardware decision result in the end of NeXTSTEP? I like the NeXT hardware that I use, but in the final analysis it's NeXTSTEP that I (personally) am most interested in, and not the hardware. To clarify my point, note that I would *much* rather run NeXTSTEP on Intel 486-based machines, than to run DOS on the hardware NeXT manufactured. NeXTSTEP promises to be able to divorce itself from hardware (and time will tell how well that works out), but NeXT hardware was very much inseparably tied to NeXTSTEP. For NeXT hardware to achieve the divorce that I am advocating, it would need to be true that customers could buy NeXT hardware and run whatever operating system they preferred on it. I do not expect that would have happened. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA From: Gerard Philippe Menos <gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu> This one includes a couple of corrections to previous typing, for whatever it's worth... In comp.sys.next.advocacy article <1993Mar02.130843.27280@utoday.com> you wrote: 1. Lower pricing overall --closer to the academic pricing schedule-- in anticipation of a higher volume, 2. Incorporate Insignia's SoftPC, to directly support DOS/Windows within NeXTstep 2.x, 3. Support Novell in NeXTstep 2.x, 4. Distribution through direct mail, supported by advertising in PC media, and 5. More aggressive marketing, based on price (#1) and DOS support (#2 & #3), to convey the message that a NeXTstation *with* a laser printer costs no more than a high-end PC configuration *and* you get the best GUI, multi-tasking, networking, and development (i.e., mission-critical apps) environment, without leaving the older DOS apps behind. NeXT's strategy to compete with Sun's hardware only served to highlight NeXT's relative weakness in hardware and took attention away from NeXT's strength in easy-to-use, powerful software. In addition, the market for scientific and engineering workstations is small, compared to the personal computer market as a whole. In hindsight, perhaps it would have been wiser for NeXT to focus its marketing communications message on the evolution of Intel-based PCs into "Professional Workstations" capable of client/server applications, rather than compete against the impossible transformation of scientific and engineering workstations (i.e., Sun Sparcstations) into user-friendly workgroup computers. The biggest slice of the market is owned by Microsoft; NeXT could have started earlier in its current Intel strategy by providing an integrated system that has served me as the best bridge from DOS to the graphical, networked, client-server, object-oriented present and future. Please note that I believe NeXT has a good chance of succeeding in its present software-only strategy, because NeXTstep is so much better than any of the existing environments (Windows, Mac O/S, etc.) and it's been better tested than any of its real competition --products like Microsoft's Cairo and IBM/Apple's Taligent project, that have yet to see their first release. -- G. Philippe Menos gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries From: Glen Henshaw <machine@endor.byu.edu> I am currently a senior in the BYU computer science department, and a NeXT Campus Consultant (until March 5). After that, I will be a Macintosh programmer for the BYU Music Dept. There are a few things Jobs could have done to make NeXT hardware successful, but they all involve changing the hardware fundamentally. Primarily, NeXT needed a low-end system. When I started selling NeXT hardware two years ago, the standard b+w NeXTstation was available for $3200 educational. That price blew the pants off EVERYONE ELSE. A comparable Mac was at least $5000 educational, and the closest real UNIX workstation (the SGI Indigo, at the time) was $7000. For the additional $4000, you got 5 MIPS. Unfortunately, no one in education saw that. All they saw was, 'base NeXT configuration, $3200. Base PC, $1300.' They all admitted NeXTstep was very impressive, but the hardware (and bundled software) included things they didn't need. Few people needed a DSP, for instance, or built in sound. Or a 17" monitor. Or a developer's kit. All these things were nice, but when it came time to put a lab together, they weren't necessary. A bare-bones 286/386 ($1500-$2000) fit the bill, EVEN for most engineering/comp sci/Mathematica labs. If there had been a $2000 low-end NeXT available with just NeXtstep, no apps, a lot more labs would have been built. And this would have leveraged more high-end NeXT systems into the educational environment. NeXT is about to make the same mistake with software. Bare-bones NS486 needs to be sold for less than $500, $200 educational. Otherwise, its technological advantages will not be sufficient to compete against other, cheaper OSs. Of course, this goes against Steve's basic philosophy of raising the lowest common denominator. That philosophy also explains why stations are not upgradable, and why NeXT put off designing a notebook until they could put a 17" screen on it. So it would never have happened. Glen Henshaw machine@kolob.byu.edu Organization: I.E.C.C. From: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us> Jobs' problem was that he bet against evolving technology, kind of an odd thing to do, considering. The original NeXT cube was a way cool computer built almost entirely out of vendor chips, a lot nicer in many ways than what you could get elsewhere for the price. But what happened? Workstations turned into commodities, vendor CPU chips don't give you great performance, and you can get the hardware equivalent of a NeXT now from any of a dozen makers. So there would have been two approaches to be a viable hardware vendor: -- The high road: get in bed with a vendor with unique chip technology that would give him continuing access to leading edge performance. If anyone could talk a big chipmaker into it, Jobs, with his famous Reality Distortion Field (it exists, I've experienced it) could. -- The low road: adopt commodity hardware with a vengeance, so he could ride the cost curve down. This is in effect what he's doing with the software-only strategy. There'd also have been the possibility of a combination strategy, e.g. generic EISA 486 boxes with custom multimedia cards supported by Nextstep. In fairness, at the time Jobs chose his strategy it wasn't at all obvious that PCs would chew up the bottom of the workstation market this soon. Even Sun with a semi-custom CPU strategy is running out of gas, and with their purchase of ISC Unix and development 486 Solaris taking a variation on the same approach. Regards, John Levine, Principal Consultant, I.E.C.C., Harvard Square, phone UNIX-650 johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl From: John Will <john.will@satalink.com> This will take considerably less than two screens of data, the one thing that always struck me when Next was first introduced was the limited scope of the market he targeted. I don't think Next was ever able to shed that image of being a "specialized" machine for the educational market. I think he needed a much bigger potential customer base to start, IMO that was a fatal limitation. Perceptions are very hard to shed, and I've always perceived the Next as a specialty machine. John E. Will (Independent Consultant) 3491 Stump Hall Rd. Collegeville, PA 19426 Internet: john.will@satalink.com --- ~ KingQWK 1.05 # 97 ~ On the other hand, you have different fingers. From: John@boole.com Let me pose and then answer a different question. Is there a different hardware strategy that Steve Jobs could have followed that would have made Next more successful? I think yes. His hardware was perhaps twice as good as "standard" Mac and PC hardware (not twice as cost-effective however). That is not enough of an improvement to get sales. Next's product was software. He could make the software run somewhat (factor of 2?) better on custom hardware than on "standard". He should have built his software for either "standard" hardware -- Mac or PC. It would not have run as well but it would have been usable by 10s of millions of people rather than appeal to 10s of millions and be usable by a few 10s of thousands. Could he have gotten Canon money without new hardware? I don't know. I cannot confirm or deny that these opinions are or are not held by anyone else. John Ahlstrom Boole & Babbage From: "Nathan F. Janette" <nathan@hilbert.arpa> NeXT's hardware should have been updated in a more timely manner to address deficiencies: internal floppy drive resource hog on non-turbo systems, poor first generation 17" color display, second generation keyboard unpopular with Unix folks, quality control problems with displays in general, etc. These issues were all eventually addressed, but not as quickly as they could have been. NeXT could have been more in tune with the hardware market, and the marketing efforts of it's competitors. While most vendors were offering faster machines and lowering prices on a 6-month basis, NeXT hardware offerings and pricing were static for over a year. NeXT lost it's price/performance advantage early on, and didn't make the slightest effort to regain it by lowering prices. The status of the long-awaited NeXT RISC Workstation remains unknown even now. NeXT also could have targeted additional marketing to small and medium sized businesses, and to power-Mac and power-PC users. The workstation market was not NeXT's only opportunity for sales. In general NeXT's lack of marketing kept them a niche player, and allowed many potential customers to remain ignorant of the advantages that NeXT hardware matched with NeXTstep could offer. Nathan Janette Systems Manager Axel T. Brunger Lab Yale University / Howard Hughes Medical Institute Dept MB & B 260 Whitney Ave JWG 604 New Haven, CT 06511 nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu --- Nathan Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT) From: Scott Pakin <pakin@green-hornet.cs.uiuc.edu> It would have helped if Jobs *had* a strategy. The problem is, he doesn't have both feet on the ground. When he designed the NeXT, he didn't ask himself, "What hardware features will sell machines?," but rather, "What hardware features would be really cool to have?" I attended a speech Jobs gave in which he admitted that at first, he didn't know whether the NeXT should be a high-end Mac or a user-friendly workstation. If I remember correctly, NeXT originally chose to sell exclusively to higher education. That's why the machine comes with a dictionary, the complete works of Shakespeare, and a few other things geared towards the humanities. The problem was, humanities departments typically don't have the computing budgets to run out and purchase a bunch of workstations...especially when their Macs are working fine. Techies bought some machines, but NeXTs were originally overpriced, so the quantity techies bought was still fairly low. Jobs then decided to sell the machine to industry. However, industry wasn't interested because they could get a Sun for a lot less money, and there's a lot more software available for Suns. Who cares if Suns don't have CD-quality sound, Display PostScript, and real-time video capabilities? Industry doesn't need those features, and isn't willing to pay for them. NeXT's big problem is that it has always been a technology-driven company, not a market-driven company. Had Jobs realized that, and better evaluated his potential markets, NeXT might still be selling hardware today. -- Scott Pakin <pakin@uiuc.edu> -- 1st-year graduate student, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From: Tim Murdoch <tmurdoch@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Hi, I'm responding to you post on comp.sys.next.advocacy. I'm a math professor at a small liberal arts college in Virginia. I purchased 10 NeXTs for a laboratory for the mathematics department here (we received an equipment grant from NSF last year). I really love the NeXTstep environment. I plan to use Maple and Mathematica on the turbos we bought and anticipate that our needs will be met by this hardware for the next 3-5 years. All in all, my dealings with NeXT have been positive. However, the dealings were primarily with NeXT in Redwood City. I would have appreciated a stronger "local" presence here in Virginia. Our local dealer was often ill-informed about basic questions involving hardware configurations. I guess the best indication that the retail end was not so great is that most of the useful information supplied "locally" was from student campus consultants in VA. I would have appreciated a more knowledgeable, aggressive sales staff. Our campus is fast becoming UNIX-literate and the NeXT seems to be the gentlest introduction to the UNIX world. Thus NeXT probably would have had continued success in sales at our campus were there a more aggressive marketing strategy. Let me finish by reiterating that all my dealings with NeXT itself were very positive; the hardware mix-ups that we experienced we a little annoying, but NeXT was very quick to make things right. I'm sorry to see NeXT leave the hardware business, but if it means that NeXTstep succeeds as an OS running on several platforms, the sacrifice will have been well worth it. -- Tim Murdoch Assistant Prof. of Math e-mail: murdoch@sage.edu (NeXTmail OK) Washington and Lee Univ. Lexington VA 24450 From: David Manning <dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu> "Is there anything Steve Jobs could have done differently to make NeXT's hardware strategy successful?" Definitely. Looking back on the whole scenario, Jobs did at NeXT what he had done at Apple: He took a quality idea and aimed it directly at a niche market -- the educational sites, in this instance dominated by Sun, HP, and DEC, which had both feet firmly in the door by 1988. Jobs failed by offering a complete package, that, as time went by, stood still in terms of technological advancement. Had Jobs forsaken the 680x0 line and gone right for the 88000, he may have had a chance to compete in the raw horsepower race. His OS would certainly have won out if it had been able to keep up. History will remember the NeXT, hopefully, as a damn cool machine. Like the Macintosh, it may never be in millions of homes or businesses. But for those lucky individuals, those _fanatics_, it wouldn't be a computer without a black case. Dave Manning Orent Graphic Arts :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: "I feel so sad, so bad today, Dave Manning :: :: that all our friends have gone away" dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu :: ::::::::::::--Codeine/Seam:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From: Vincent Jordan <wiltel!vjordan@uunet.UUCP> Why would he want to? The power of NeXT has always been NeXTSTEP and NeXTSTEP is the reason we have been purchasing NeXT all along. We are very happy that all of NeXT's collective creative energies are now focused on NeXTSTEP! Vince Jordan Director, Software Development WilTel Advanced Technology Group 8665 New Trails Drive The Woodlands, Texas 77381 From: GREG VANTRESE <VANTREG@indy.navy.mil> Next really had two different fronts on which to compete: low-end PC's running MS-Windows and high-end workstations running various flavors of Unix. In both cases, Next was competing with vendors who were very, very good at making and selling hardware in their market segments. Next had to produce comparable performance at comparable prices. For whatever reason, Next never produced performance-oriented systems to compete with those from more traditional RISC workstation vendors like Sun and HP. Next systems more closely resembled middle and high-end PC's in their performance, but there was no way that Next could compete with the commodity-level pricing that has developed in the PC market. Next hardware never really won over any users to the Next platform. Users weren't buying Next systems for the hardware at all. They bought Next systems to run NextStep, a truly superior software environment. If these users bought Next systems just to get NextStep, how many more users will buy NextStep if it will run on their own favorite hardware? If Next ports NextStep to both low-end (PC's) and high-end (RISC) systems, then Next will have used the other vendors' own hardware expertise against them. This approach seems to me to be a bold and potentially very successful hardware strategy, leaving Next to concentrate on software, an area in which Next can capitalize on an already formidable reputation. Greg Vantreese Design Engineer Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division Indianapolis, Indiana From: Tracy Kugelman <tracy@athena.com> To whom it may concern: I have just finished reading "In Search of the Next Killer APP" in your OST of March 1, 1993. Shouldn't this have read "In Search of the NeXT App Package"? I am sitting at my NeXT using my spreadsheet "Mesa" which has live links to my presentation software "Concurrence". My email can be activated from my date book which can be connected to my database. My database can be queried from my spreadsheet and produce reports with 2D or 3D graphs. Who cares if I have to paint my new computers running NeXTSTEP for Intel processors black? Not me. Keep working on systems and standards for the next year or so. I'll be smiling because inter- operability is already at my fingertips. ---------------------------------------------------------- Tracy Kugelman, Director Sales and Marketing Athena Design 17 St. Mary's Court Boston, MA 02146 NeXT Mail Welcome USA ----------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Shaw <mshaw@texaco.com> There is nothing Steve could have done. It was a bogus plan from the start. Great software, but I'm not going to recommend a really slow, really expensive, and really closed system to anyone. Great software and excellent graphics though. Beauty development environment also. Did you ever see how easy it was to build database applications using that DB toolset they have. You know, if only... Well, you get the idea. Mark Shaw Computer Scientist Texaco R&D Beacon NY From: Chris Cuilla <chris@its.com> Well, I think the hardware was great, sure NeXT (recently) has fallen behind others w/regard to the hardware, but it has always been great hardware. As far as a better strategy, NeXT might have tried to be a bit more conventional with their hardware. 1. On their initial release (in 1988) they probably should have forgone the DSP and the Optical drive (although NeXT did bring those technologies more to the forefront). They could have then delivered a machine for $5000-$6000, which would've been better. 2. They shouldn't have waited until 1990 to deliver the '040 machines, and then, slots might have helped (but I'm not a terribly big fan of slots anyway). Chris Cuilla ITSolutions, Inc. From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu I doubt that Steve Jobs could have done much to assure the success of NeXT hardware. He was doomed from the beginning by unfortunate timing and lack of sufficient sales to finance continued expensive hardware development. The unfortunate timing affected two decisions: CPU selection and NeXTSTEP porting strategies. When the NeXTcube was being designed, RISC CPU's were not really available or were still too expensive. CISC CPU's were well along in their evolutionary development meaning that a CPU change was going to be required sooner than a startup would like. NeXT chose its various technologies based heavily on technical merit as opposed to what was the most popular, so the Motorola 680x0 line was probably the correct choice. But Motorola's inability to develop the 68040 line past 33 MHz and its inability to develop its 88110 CPU in a timely fashion doomed NeXT to a major change in its CPU. NeXT probably spent a lot of resources on the 88110 before Ford Motor Company cancelled its contract for 88k processors leaving NeXT feeling as if continuing would be a serious mistake, with which I agree. So for a small startup, abandoning a major hardware development program is a very serious setback. Had Motorola been able to keep pace with Intel in its 680x0 line and had Motorola been able to keep pace with the other RISC chip manufacturers, then NeXT may have been able to be modestly successful with its hardware. I say "modestly" because I just don't see how a small company can compete with the hardware giants. Those small companies that are successful like SGI and Intergraph work in niche markets, although SGI seems to be expanding after establishing itself as the premier graphics vendor. NeXT never established itself sufficiently to move ahead. The timing of NeXT's porting strategies were hampered by the unavailability of suitable inexpensive Intel-based hardware to run NeXTSTEP, which depends on a high graphics bandwidth. So porting NeXTSTEP to Intel machines just wasn't feasible until recent hardware improvements have been made. Moving to other hardware earlier would have been the correct move for NeXT, but without sufficient Intel hardware, workstations were the only alternative. There must be a lot of truth in the conjecture that other hardware vendors weren't anxious to cooperate with a competitor, so porting to other workstation hardware probably wasn't feasible until NeXT left the hardware business. Had appropriate Intel hardware been available earlier, NeXT could have had a shipping Intel port before discontinuing its own hardware line - another example of unfortunate timing. So I think Steve Jobs was a victim of circumstances largely beyond his control. His marketing and sales efforts leave much to be desired, so maybe better marketing and sales could have made a difference, but probably not enough to have made NeXT's hardware successful. I don't know of another user and development environment that rivals NeXTSTEP, but I fear that NeXTSTEP may be yet another example of a superior technology that failed. NeXT has a window of opportunity now to introduce NeXTSTEP to those unfamiliar with it, but that requires marketing and sales expertise that NeXT just hasn't demonstrated in the past. Art Isbell NeXTSTEP Developer and Consultant Cubic Solutions 315 Moon Meadow Lane Felton, CA 95018-9442 -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU USmail: 95018-9442 From: skokoska@bloomu.edu (Steve Kokoska) I read your article in the 3/1 edition about NeXT machines, and of course have heard about NeXT concentrating on software. However, I would still like to purchase a NeXTStation Turbo. Do you happen to know if Cannon will continue to manufacture these machines? Thanks for any information you might have. Stephen Kokoska Department of Mathematics and Computer Science Bloomsburg University Bloomsburg, PA 17815 e-mail: skokoska@saturn.bloomu.edu From: ssr@ama.caltech.edu The various things that Jobs (and by extension NeXT) did wrong all stem from the same source: not making sure they knew just who would buy their machines, and building a computer for them. They built the computer that Jobs wanted to have not the one that a lot of people were willing to buy. The tragedy is that very small changes in what they offered would have made it a far wider success. They built machines as if the people that would be buying them had no other computers. A machine that came with all kinds of things already installed should have come with X-windows for the workstation people. It should have come with Soft-PC and maybe a x86 card for the clone people. It should have come with a Mac emulator for the Mac people. It should have come with plug-and-play versions of popular software for the people that only cared about the application. Their primary market should have been to sell a few machines to the legions of people that already have computers, make them work well in their established environments, and dazzle them so that they could smoothly migrate over to a fully NeXT environment. That should have been their strategy with hardware, and it should be their strategy with NeXTStep for Intel Processors. Sadly, I don't expect them to do that, and I expect them to fail. Steve Roy Prize Fellow in Applied Mathematics Caltech, 217-50 Pasadena, CA 91125
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help! Adaptec 1542 drivers + a Gateway horror story Message-ID: <66.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 08:22:34 PDT References: <sD6m3B1w165w@tcscs.com> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) > Message-ID: <sD6m3B1w165w@tcscs.com> > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:16:15 CDT > > royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) writes: > > > hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) writes: > > > > >[...] > > > GATEWAY HORROR STORY FOLLOWS > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >[...] > > > > Well, without either contradicting or affirming this wonderful story, > > I'll merely repeat something a former boss used to like to recite: > > "Price, Quality, Service -- Pick any two" > > and supplement it with my own observations over time: > > "Price, Quality, Service -- Hope for one". > > > > Welcome to the wonderful world of commodity, direct-marketed, lowest- > > common-denominator hardware! :~) > > Don't let a few horror stories scare people about Intel based hardware.. > there are a lot of quality products out there, Gateway has had a long > reputation of problems, as havea a few other 'name' brand systems out there. I bought mine through Dell. There have been a fair number of screw-ups, but the hardware itself is good, and Dell is doing a pretty incredible job supporting its customers. Gateway would have been cheaper, but my decision was made the last time I called them and got put on hold for 15 minutes. I hung up and never called back. In contrast, I almost always get a live person within a minute at Dell. If I'm looking for a particular person, I may need to leave a message, but that's acceptable. Once I called twice within about 15 minutes... the second person to answer the phone had the log of my first call on their screen and knew what I had tried. It's very impressive (even if a little embarassing at times :^). Best of all it's not hard to get to someone who acts like they do care about your problem. Dell will be shipping NS/FIP preinstalled, which should also help eliminate confusion. But support for NS will be a challenge. It will be interesting to see how they do. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Please NeXTmail a copy of 3.0's /etc/mount. Message-ID: <1993Apr27.213436.8731@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 21:34:36 GMT It's a long story, but I replaced my 3.0 /etc/mount with one from a pre-three system. So, Would you please NeXTmail a copy of System 3.0's /etc/mount to me? Thanks in advance, --Glenn Brown
From: Cormac Liam Kinney <ck2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SUN 150MB Tape on NeXT? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 17:38:49 -0400 Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <ofrOTdS00iUx08bXhn@andrew.cmu.edu> Hi. Do you know if I can use a 150MB SUN Tape Drive to backup my valuable NeXT software and data. I plan to keep this baby, and wouldn't want to be SOL. Do I need some driver? Have you been able to do it? Thanks for any info.
From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help! Adaptec 1542 drivers + a Gateway horror story Message-ID: <1198@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> Date: 27 Apr 93 23:23:15 GMT References: <sD6m3B1w165w@tcscs.com> Sender: glenn@rightbrain.com Can somebody Email me the original message for this thread? It never made it to our site. We have had nightmarish problems with our Gateway, too, and I'd like to compare notes. -- Glenn Reid NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com RightBrain Software 415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977) Palo Alto, California Electronic Frontier Foundation, member #054
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: dim MegaPixel display Message-ID: <1993Apr27.143617.5074@nic.csu.net> From: tony@art_next2.calstatela.edu (Tony Longson) Date: 27 Apr 93 14:36:15 PDT My monochrome MegaPixel display is very dim even at max brightness. Is there a fix? Thanks...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.infosystems.gopher From: jpw@sansfoy.lib.Virginia.EDU (John Price-Wilkin) Subject: retrieval behavior on ixBuild indexes under Gopher Message-ID: <C664wy.LwJ@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 00:48:33 GMT I've build ixBuild indexes on the ClariNet feed and have made them available under Gopher. When I do a search of "wings" I get a number of articles that do not have occurrences of the word "wings" in them. On the other hand, the (hockey) ones I've looked through have occurrences of "wing" (e.g., right-wing) in them. Is there something that documents this retrieval behavior? (I've looked at the ixBuild and ixFind man pages and can find nothing.) Is there a way to control it? John Price-Wilkin jpw@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Help! Adaptec 1542 drivers + a Gateway horror story Message-ID: <1993Apr27.143519.7539@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <sD6m3B1w165w@tcscs.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 14:35:19 GMT In article <sD6m3B1w165w@tcscs.com> next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes: > The Adaptec is a very slick card, albeit with A LOT of jumpers for a LOT > of different features.. it also has to be able to be configured to work > with other hardware in systems. That was true of the (now discontinued) B series. The new C series is configurable in software (and a bit faster). M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: NS/I DAT Tape Drives Message-ID: <1993Apr27.184432.24531@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Distribution: usa Date: 27 Apr 93 18:44:31 PDT Has anyone successfully connected a DAT tape drive to a NS/Intel station? I am thinking about getting an Intel GX/Pro + DPT, and will need to use my old backup device. /ivo welch
From: ryan@carie.mcs.mu.edu (Ryan Brooks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXTbus ? Date: 28 Apr 1993 14:02:40 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rm2q0$1cu@spool.mu.edu> Keywords: NeXTbus, The NeXT book Hi all! I am currently in the process of connecting a NeXT cube motherboard to a power supply and I have noticed a difference in pinouts of the NeXTbus according to "The NeXT book" and a recent tiff posting to c.s.n.h. They appear to be VERY different, so, my question is: which one is correct? Could someone send me the positively correct pinouts (before I fry my board!), I'd really appreciate it! Thanks! Ryan Brooks ryan@carie.mcs.mu.edu (NeXTmail)
From: u-magpie@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark Dadgar -NeXT CC) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: LaserJet 4 and Ethernet Remote Printing - HELP! Message-ID: <u-magpie.735874969@mcl> Date: 27 Apr 93 01:42:49 GMT Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc I've got the LJ configured with the correct IP address, netmask, and default gateway. I created a NetInfo entry for both the printer (in machines) and the printer (in printers). The printcap for the printer looks like this: MIS_Suite105: \ :rm=mis_printer:rp=mis_printer:lp=:ty=HP LaserJet 4 PostScript: \ :note=:sd=/usr/spool/NeXT/MIS_Suite105:lo=lock: The machines entry for mis_printer has the name, the IP address, and the ethernet address. I can ping the printer just fine. I've got syslog on the printer pointing to my machine, and error messages (like if I were to take the printer off-line) show up on my console. But, lpc on my NeXT says "Waiting for mis_printer to come up." The console says "connection to mis_printer is down." RFC 1179 (regarding lpd) says that the printer subsystem listens on port 515. The JetDirect manual says the card/printer waits for a connection on port 9100. Has anyone gotten this combination working? I don't care how it's done, I just want it done. Printing 1.5Mb PS images at 57,600bd is painful, to say the least. FYI, I'm running a 16Mb Mono Turbo with NS3.0 (well, I'm forbidden to say any different... ). :) Thanks for any help! I can provide more info via email. Posting is currently broken at our site, but mail will be forwarded from this account. I also set the Reply-To. - Mark Mark Dadgar, NeXT SysAdmin | Some go up, some go down William Morris Agency | Some go thirsty, some just drown mdadgar@wma.com (NeXTmail) | "That's the law 'round here" I voted for Bill & Opus | Said the King of Sunset Town -- Mark Dadgar | A pretty sight it seemed to be UCSB NeXT Campus Consultant | An avenue of eternal peace u-magpie@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu | But he said "What is here can soon burn down... Bill & Opus - '92 | I'm the King of Sunset Town"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Subject: Re: b/w NeXT cube monitor cable ?s Message-ID: <1993Apr20.140906.18949@chiton.ucsd.edu> Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego References: <0096B452.451ACA60@vms.csd.mu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 14:09:06 GMT In article <0096B452.451ACA60@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2575brooksr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes: >Hi all! > Got a couple quick questions: Could someone send me the >pinout for the NeXT motherboard (cube) -> monitor cable? Also, >does anyone have any information on the video signal (sync type, >freq, etc.) that the b/w NeXT cube puts out? Thanks much! The quick answer to this is "read NextAnswers hardware.427 and then read NextAnswers hardware.289". If you can't get NextAnswers anywhere else, I suppose I could send you a copy of the relevant stuff. carl carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu clowenstein@ucsd.edu
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: dim MegaPixel display Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 13:42:56 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Ufrg8Uq00WB38Ch6t0@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1993Apr27.143617.5074@nic.csu.net> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 27-Apr-93 dim MegaPixel display by Tony Longson > My monochrome MegaPixel display is very dim even at max brightness. Is > there a fix? I have adjusted several monitors with no problems, but make sure you know what you are doing before opening anything. I expressly disclaim responsibility for any ill results that may occur. In order to adjust NeXT's MegaPixel display (called 'the monitor' hereafter), you'll need (a) the NeXTtool (or a 3mm Allen wrench), (b) a plastic adjustment tool (preferred) or a thin bladed screwdriver, and possibly (c) a Phillips-head screwdriver. (NB: A similar procedure will work for color monitors, but you should either know what you're doing or you'll probably be better off letting a pro deal with it.) Turn off the computer. Disconnect all cables to the monitor. Look at the back of the monitor. There will be 4 screws there; use the NeXTtool (or Allen wrench) to remove them. Remove the plastic back of the monitor and put it out of your way. Reconnect the cables and turn the computer back on. As the machine powers up, examine the back of the monitor. You'll see a metallic box (usually silver, though some are black) surrounding the monitor's vitals. This protects you against the dangerous voltages inside, and also insulates the monitor from electromagnetic noise. On the back of this box are several holes for performing adjustments. There are two focus controls (labelled 'focus' and 'dynamic focus'), a brightness control (labelled 'brightness' or possibly 'black level') and several others that adjust various things like screen size and position. Depending on the exact placement of the controls on the circuit board of your specific monitor, some of these controls may be difficult (or impossible) to adjust from the back. If this is the case, I will describe what's necessary below. Otherwise, adjust the appropriate controls using either an adjustment tool or a screwdriver. Be warned that a screwdriver probably will cause some interesting video effects when it enters the case. Ignore this the best you can, or find a plastic adjustment tool, which is what you *really* should be using anyway. Using a flashlight will help you see into the hole so that you can align the business end of the tool correctly. Focus and position controls are fairly obvious. Adjust them slowly until you're happy with the results. Don't muck with anything you don't need to; the factory settings are usally pretty decent. To correctly adjust the brightness, follow this procedure: Turn the brightness of the monitor all the way down using the keyboard. Adjust the brightness control on the back of the monitor until a barely noticeable picture forms. Then turn the brightness down a little so this picture disappears completely. Check that you can get adequete brightness by using the keyboard to brighten the screen. If the display isn't bright enough, adjust the brightness control on the rear of the monitor high enough so that the monitor display is adequate. Note that you won't be able to dim the screen completely from the keyboard...sorry. Once you're finished, shut down the computer, take off the cables, reattach the back of the monitor, and reconnect the cables. You're done. If the control you need to adjust proves to be difficult, you may need to enter the metal case. This happened on one monitor's focus control and another's brightness. WARNING: THE VOLTAGES INSIDE THE MONITOR'S CASE ARE VERY DANGEROUS, EVEN WHEN THE MONITOR IS OFF. BE VERY CAREFUL, OR YOU CAN SERIOUSLY INJURE OR EVEN KILL YOURSELF. Do not perform the next instructions unless you are confident that you know what you are doing. You'll have to power off the computer again, and disconnect the cables. Looking at the monitor from the back, notice a section of metallic shielding on the right side of the metal box that extends to the picture tube. This is where the flyback tranformer is connected. It shields a wire that is charged to about 25,000 V. DO NOT TOUCH THIS WIRE, IT CAN SHOCK YOU THROUGH ITS INSULATION. Being very careful of this, remove the metal case by unscrewing the Philip's head screws that hold the case on. Don't touch the screws that hold the picture tube into the front of the monitor's case. Once you've gotten the metal box off, reconnect the cables. Figure out what control you're going to adjust, and make sure that you can do so without touching anything else inside. Again, *watch out* for the wire that connects to the picture tube on the right side. Power up the computer. I recommend that you use only one hand to make the adjustment, and that your other hand be placed in your pocket (or similar equivalent, if you're wearing clothes lacking pockets). This precaution reduces the chances that you'll make a short circuit between one hand, your heart, and the other hand-- a good idea. Perform the necessary adjustment(s), being very careful not to touch anything inside. Then shut down and reassemble the monitor, following the directions given above. Hopefully, these instructions will prove useful. Once again, please be very careful...I don't want your death and/or injury on my conscience (or a lawsuit, for that matter, either :-) Later, Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: MAXTOR questions Message-ID: <67024@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 28 Apr 93 18:45:26 GMT Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 I have an opportunity to get a Maxtor disk out of an old cube, but dont have root access to run many timing queries on it. does anyone know, what the access times for a MAXTOR XT-8760S are? and by any chance, will one fit in a slab? -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: collis@lele-next2.Stanford.EDU (Samuel Scott Collis) Subject: CD-ROM drives for SGI and NeXT Message-ID: <1993Apr28.193945.3349@leland.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: CD-ROM, SGI, NeXT Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 19:39:45 GMT I need to purchase a CD-ROM drive that will work on both NeXTstations and SGI Personal Irises. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations for CD-ROMs that have been used on both platforms. Thanks, Scott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.misc,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: CD-ROM drives for SGI and NeXT Message-ID: <C67q9B.FwE@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Keywords: CD-ROM, SGI, NeXT Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1993Apr28.193945.3349@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 21:27:11 GMT In <1993Apr28.193945.3349@leland.Stanford.EDU> collis@lele-next2.Stanford.EDU (Samuel Scott Collis) writes: >I need to purchase a CD-ROM drive that will work on both NeXTstations and >SGI Personal Irises. I would greatly appreciate any recommendations for >CD-ROMs that have been used on both platforms. There is a list of drives in the FAQ under: Subject: D8. What non-NeXT CD Players that work with a NeXT? Check this out. Note that NeXT cannot acknowledge/recommend any of these so you are going to have to take user's word. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca NeXT Computer, Inc. mtacchi@NeXT.COM (NeXT Mail Welcome) "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Daniel T. Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT > DAT interface Date: 28 Apr 1993 21:55:10 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support Message-ID: <1rmufuINNitq@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> References: <gfriara00iUyA7kElC@andrew.cmu.edu> Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes > Why not connect the coaxial input and output of a consumer DAT tape deck > up to the DSP port on a NeXT via the proper interface electronics? > So does this sound like a good idea to anyone else, or am I making some > silly mistake? The only potential flaw I see (and it's a big one) is that I imagine that audio tape decks don't have nearly the need for error-free operation that data tape does, and they probably don't worry if they miss a bit here or there. With your data you should be more careful. -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group 313/998-6265
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: barry@ictv.com (Barry Lustig) Subject: Re: dim MegaPixel display Message-ID: <1993Apr28.222126.28625@ictv.com> Sender: usenet@ictv.com Organization: ICTV, Santa Clara, CA (408) 562-9200 References: <Ufrg8Uq00WB38Ch6t0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 22:21:26 GMT Before you start opening the back of your monitor call NeXT hardware support. A run of the greyscale monitors with serial numbers in a certain range had a problem that caused them to dim. NeXT extended the warranty on these monitors. Call them up and see if your monitor is one of the defective ones. barry --
From: eric@skatter.usask.ca Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: dim MegaPixel display Date: 28 Apr 1993 22:49:46 GMT Organization: University of Saskatchewan Message-ID: <1rn1ma$jhh@access.usask.ca> References: <Ufrg8Uq00WB38Ch6t0@andrew.cmu.edu> From article <Ufrg8Uq00WB38Ch6t0@andrew.cmu.edu>, by Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU>: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 27-Apr-93 dim MegaPixel > display by Tony Longson >> My monochrome MegaPixel display is very dim even at max brightness. Is >> there a fix? > > I have adjusted several monitors with no problems, but make sure you > know what you are doing before opening anything. I expressly disclaim > responsibility for any ill results that may occur. . . . . I tried this a few weeks ago with my aging (purchased December/89) MegaPixel display. Unfortunately I found the adjustment controls were already at their upper limits :-( so I guess I'm forced to use my machine in a darkened room.... -- Eric Norum eric@skatter.usask.ca Saskatchewan Accelerator Laboratory University of Saskatchewan Saskatoon, Canada. NeXTMail accepted.
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: dim MegaPixel display Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 01:35:34 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <4frqYaC00WB3QgXaRT@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1rn1ma$jhh@access.usask.ca> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 28-Apr-93 Re: dim MegaPixel display by eric@skatter.usask.ca > I tried this a few weeks ago with my aging (purchased December/89) > MegaPixel display. Unfortunately I found the adjustment controls were > already at their upper limits :-( so I guess I'm forced to use my machine > in a darkened room... Hmmm. If you're feeling adventurous, and you have access to a Ohmmeter and a soldering iron, you might consider checking the brightness pot to see if it's going bad. It's probably possible to do some electronic surgery to fix things by replacing either the pot or by replacing the resistor limiting the maximum brightness with a smaller resistor. Note that this kind of thing isn't for the fainthearted.... Good luck, -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gamage@spot.Colorado.EDU (GAMAGE NIMAL K K) Subject: Help: dead Nextstation (non-turbo) Message-ID: <1993Apr29.055035.24024@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Sender: news@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 05:50:35 GMT Hello, My NeXTStation (mono,non turbo) suddenly stopped working this morning. It was working and powered on last night but was off in the morning and many attempts to power up via the powerkey failed. I looked inside the slab for a fuse but apparently there isn't one (?). The modem and external hard disks were fine so it cannot be a power surge I guess. Can anyone give me a clue as to where I should start looking? The service person (next authorized) was also not sure since he had not done any (actual) services yet. (I thought that was kind of good considering that we have quite a large nuber of slabs over here, which apparently dont give much trouble). Is there a fuse in the monitor? Any other protection or 'weak point'? Thanks for any help. Please e-mail me directly gamage@boulder.colorado.edu unless this is of general interest. Nimal Gamage
From: jblevins@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Jim Blevins) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Mac Drivers for NeXT CD-ROM Drive Date: 29 Apr 93 15:11:10 Organization: Centre for Linguistics, UWA, Australia Distribution: world Message-ID: <JBLEVINS.93Apr29151110@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> Does anyone know of any drivers that allow Macs to use the NeXT CD-ROM? An earlier FAQ had a reference to a company named Trantor, though they did not respond to a faxed query and they seem to have been purged from the most recent FAQs. Any pointers would be appreciated. /jim -- ---- Jim Blevins jblevins@uniwa.uwa.edu.au Centre for Linguistics phone: +61-9-380-1882 University of Western Australia fax: +61-9-380-1154 Nedlands, W.A. 6009
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,alt.cd-rom From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: NeXT CD ROM drive usable with PC SCSI cards Message-ID: <1993Apr29.002820.21749@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 00:28:20 GMT Does anyone know if the NeXT CD ROM drive can be successfully used with PCs? I've seen posts that said it would, and I think there was one recently that mentioned some sort of problem. What's the real story? I'd kinda like to avoid buying a new drive if possible. :-) Maybe the problem is that it only works with certain types of SCSI cards - I don't know. I hope someone can shed some light.
From: wdempsey@athena.mit.edu (Wayne R Dempsey) Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.other,athena.forsale,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.mac,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted Subject: REPLY!!! Computer Equipment Garage Sale (R) Date: 29 Apr 1993 08:03:54 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1ro25aINNbem@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> **** I'm sorry I had to send this over the net. I tried sending this message to everyone who replied, but my mailer didn't like the To: list with 90+ names on it. For those of you who think I'm wasting bandwidth, whatever that is, I'm sorry. Here's the message I tried to send to everyone who reponded to my posts: First I'd like to thank all 90 of you for replying to my posts. As one many understand, it is hard to respond to everyone individually. My apologies to those who were sent multiple copies of this message. This is the update: 90% of you wanted the Conner Drives. At this moment, I have sold one to a guy named Dan. He was very helpful, providing me with additional information on some of the stuff I was selling. The drive was sold to him for $65 + $5 Shipping. The other drive is still available, because I didn't deem it fair that I should pick one person over another. I repeat that I don't know much about this Conner drive, or SCSI drives in general. Since I cannot get it to work on my Mac, I cannot guarantee it will work for you. If I did guarantee it, and then you couldn't get it to work, and so on... then this would repeat itself, and the drive would have a nice trip around the country. So, I'm looking to sell to someone who knows about SCSI drives and thinks that they can use it. I will give priority according to price, people I've dealt with before (I think that's only one of you, JAC777, or something like that) and the order you replied. Please reply using this message (header REPLY!!!) because if I see that I will give you preference over people who are initially replying to my post. The AT&T ISDN Modem is no longer up for sale. It came to my knowledge that the source from where I obtained the modem was at most mistaken as to it's ownership. I'm sorry but the modem is property of The Massachusettes Institute of Technology. I was not aware of that, because there was no identifying sticker on it. The modem will be returned to the telecomm department next week. Replacement cost of the modem is suposedly over $1,000, and It would be dishonest to sell property over the net, not belonging to me. My apologies to all who replied to me about the modem. The 65 Meg Drive has also been sold, to the first person who responded to me. $55 incl shipping. The guaranteed working Toshiba drive, the Two Panasonic drives and the 16-bit MFM card were sold to a guy named John for $48 including shipping. The remaining 5.25" drives are available. The 8-bit MFM controller is made by Western Digital and does have the 2010 chip on it. I will be accepting offers from everyone, because I have had many questions about this chip, and many people have wanted it. The interesting cable is a regular VGA cable, and is male to male. The serial number for the SONY is: Serial Number: SA9370PE00R4 another number on back is 1121228 Items still available: 1 Conner Drive 5.25" IBM drive, standard floppy drive, non-proprietary. guaranteed 5.25" Toshiba drive 3.5" PS/2 Drive 1 CGA Card 1 VGA cable 1 MFM controller card (full length, no floppy) 1 MFM controller with WD2010 Chip on board. 1 Motorola 68881 CoProcessor If you are still interested in the Conner Drive, please reply to this message. I'm still looking for stuff like CD Caddies, a 9600 External modem (I'd pay cahs for that of course) 387DX-33 FPU, Mac CDs & software... Let me know... -Wayne wdempsey@athena.mit.edu
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT CD ROM drive usable with PC SCSI cards Date: 29 Apr 1993 13:12:12 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rok7d$jmr@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <1993Apr29.002820.21749@nimno.wpa.com> In article <1993Apr29.002820.21749@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > Does anyone know if the NeXT CD ROM drive can be successfully used with > PCs? I've seen posts that said it would, and I think there was one > recently that mentioned some sort of problem. What's the real story? I'd > kinda like to avoid buying a new drive if possible. :-) Maybe the problem > is that it only works with certain types of SCSI cards - I don't know. I > hope someone can shed some light. I have used the NeXT CD ROM drive successfully with a 16 bit Advantage AAA card. -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Message-ID: <6c$@byu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 08:49:27 MDT From: yackd@idaho.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Distribution: world References: <gfriara00iUyA7kElC@andrew.cmu.edu> <1rmufuINNitq@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Subject: Re: NeXT > DAT interface In article <1rmufuINNitq@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu>, danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Daniel T. Pritts) writes: >Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes >> Why not connect the coaxial input and output of a consumer DAT tape deck >> up to the DSP port on a NeXT via the proper interface electronics? > >> So does this sound like a good idea to anyone else, or am I making some >> silly mistake? > >The only potential flaw I see (and it's a big one) is that >I imagine that audio tape decks don't have nearly the need for >error-free operation that data tape does, and they probably >don't worry if they miss a bit here or there. With >your data you should be more careful. Actually, you could write your own ECC stuff to cover that. (To get good reliability, though, you may have to as much as halve your storage cap- acity, but you could do better...) Interestingly enough, someone brought up this question over a year ago... I remember quite a bit of discussion, but I don't ever remember anyone seriously implementing it. (I think one person was able to get it to work somewhat, though.) It may be worth your while to check the archives of comp.sys.next.* to find this discussion. One other problem with doing this, though, is that a music DAT deck doesn't write tapes out in DDS format, however. This format allows tapes to be exchanged between various drives from different vendors. (For example, I regularly use DATs to transfer between school -- HP drive -- and home, where I have a WangDAT.) I've been led to believe that DDS is a subset of the audio DAT, so it should be possible to write out a stream in DDS format to send to the tape drive, assuming you can get documentation on the format and have the technical expertise to get the framing right. Unless you only plan to do personal archives, you'd really want to have your tapes in DDS format, since it's fairly universal. Anyway, it's something to think about. Later, Don_Yacktman@byu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gbrown@raven.ctr.columbia.edu (Glenn Brown. NeXTmail welcome) Subject: Re: NeXT > DAT interface Message-ID: <1993Apr29.145944.19706@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> Sender: nobody@ctr.columbia.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site References: <gfriara00iUyA7kElC@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 14:59:44 GMT Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes > Why not connect the coaxial input and output of a consumer DAT tape deck > up to the DSP port on a NeXT via the proper interface electronics? Having built a CD digital stream<->DSP 56000 interface (for a Macintosh DSP card, not the NeXT DSP port, though I plan to convert the interface to work on my NeXT after finals) I've given alot of consideration to this. Here are some comments: 1) As of a year ago, The DAT<->DSP interface was no more than 2 chips: A YM3623 and YM3613C(Yamaha), for example. I believe they were both less than $30, though I am not certain. Surely the whole system is now available on a single chip. 2) Errors over the link are not a big deal. The DSP is fast enough to do effective error correction coding in real-time. This will reduce the tape capacity somewhat (but not much). 3) A big obstacle would be random access on a consumer DAT. If you had a Sony DAT with electronic remote and you put synch and positioning information in the bit stream, you could probably make the system random access. Random read access would be easy, but random write access would have to be extremely convoluted and slow since you have to overcome the problem of not being able to precisely control when and where writes occur. I believe that random access write access _is_ possible, but it would be _extremely_ slow and space inefficient. 4) Even if random acces is not possible and you can only reliably read or write a single file to a single tape, you could use the system with tar. For example 'tar cvf - files | writeToTape' to save to tape and 'readFromTape | tar xvf - [filesToRestore]' to recover. The system without random access should be very easy to create and make an effective poor-man's backup system. It also would not strain the DAT player any more than recording or playing a normal DAT tape. 5) The electronic interface should cost less than $100 total to make. 6) The DAT player would cost about $800. In other words, it's possible to build a system for about $100 ($200 retail =-) that will allow you to make backups on your DAT player if you have one already and it has digital I/O. The biggest risk in making one would be all the people in the future who would ask "Why can't I use this with my DCC system?!" It's possible with a reduced bitrate, of course, but I wouldn't want to be the one to try to characterize the distinctly non-Markov error probabilites in the DCC's digital channel (which uses lossy compression) and design an error correcting code for it! --Glenn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tomhey@urmel.iis.ee.ethz.ch (Tom Heynemann) Subject: Monitor Problems Message-ID: <1993Apr29.151038.28519@bernina.ethz.ch> Keywords: Monitor Schematics Sender: tomhey@urmel (Tom Heynemann) Organization: NiCE : NeXT Usergroup Switzerland Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 15:10:38 GMT Hi there. We have the following problem: We have a NeXTstation,B/W,25MHz and its Monitor is going down. More precisely, the vertical deflection doesn't work any more like it's supposed to and we have a "cinemascope"-like display. This isn't fun to work at. On the other hand, we don't want to have to send the thing into nowhere (HW distribution here in Europe is pretty much dissolved) so I wonder wether I could get the schematics for the scrren. I'm at the electrical engineering department of the Federal Institute of Technology Zurich, so the infrastructure is fine - we have everything needed to fix the thing, except the schematics. So if anyone has them, or knows a source, or knows how to reach hardware at NeXT itself, please contact me by e-mail. Again, it's the B/W-standard issue NeXT Megapixel Display. Thanx, Tom Heynemann tomhey@iis.ee.ethz.ch (no NeXT mail) tom@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (NeXT mail fine !)
From: tll@cco.caltech.edu (Tal Lewis Lancaster) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Mailorder DATs? Date: 29 Apr 1993 16:00:25 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Message-ID: <1rou2pINN7ne@gap.caltech.edu> I am looking for Mailorder places that sell DAT drives. Does anybody have a favorite that has really good deals? Thanks, Tal --
The Principal from "Buffy, The Vampire Slayer", "I think the students learned an important lesson on safty." ########################################################################### #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dquah@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (Danny Quah) Subject: hp laser jet 4m connection Message-ID: <C69DHE.Bzv@news.cis.umn.edu> Summary: what are the right connections? Keywords: hplj4m, pinout, printer connection Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: College of Liberal Arts, Univ of Minn Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 18:45:42 GMT [] My HPLJ4M finally did arrive, but I am a little puzzled about the correct pinout specs on the connection from the NeXT to the printer. The Sep92 FAQ gives one specification (although it's for the HPLJ3); NSA (page 199) gives a different one (the null modem cable), for general Postscr*pt printers. (man zs agrees with NSA.) The two specs are: ___________________________________________________________ NSA, page 199 (null modem) Sep92 FAQ (for HPLJ3) miniDIN8 RS232 RS232 Pin Signal Pin Signal Pin Signal --- ----- --- ------ --- ------ 1 DTR 8 DCD (nc) 2 DCD 20 DTR 4 RTS 3 TXD 3 RXD 3 RXD 4 GND 7 GND 7 GND 5 RXD 2 TXD 2 TXD 6 RTS 5 CTS 5 CTS 7 RTXC (nc) (nc) 8 CTS 4 RTS 20 DTR ___________________________________________________________ I have been experimenting with a null modem cable from a Mac, and am getting nowhere; getting the Sep92FAQ connector involves switching around the connections on pins 1, 2, and 8. Before I plunge into that, what has everyone been using? Is that the correct pinout? Is there a source for these cables in the US? I am running an '040, NS 2.1. Thanks in advance. --Danny (dquah@lse.ac.uk) Economics Department, LSE 479 St Clements: 071-955-7535 Houghton Street, London WC2A 2AE Fax: 071-831-1840 -- --Danny (dquah@[lse.ac.uk|riffle.stanford.edu|atlas.socsci.umn.edu]) Economics Department, LSE 479 St Clements: 071-955-7535 Houghton Street, London WC2A 2AE Fax: 071-831-1840
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nando@ccrma.stanford.edu (Fernando Pablo Lopez Lezcano) Subject: Using a NeXTDimension without the monitor Message-ID: <1993Apr29.200528.11335@leland.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: monitor, NeXTDimension Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 20:05:28 GMT Has anyone out there in netland managed to use a NeXTDimension board without the monitor being plugged in? How do you convince the software not to complain? Maybe some dummy loads in some pins of the connectors? You guessed right. Our monitor is dead! Thanks for any help! -- Fernando Fernando Lopez Lezcano nando@ccrma.stanford.edu plain? Maybe some dummy loads in some pins of the connectors? You guessed right. Ou
From: Greg Howard Rhodes <gr1c+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Keyboards for Mac... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 16:14:00 -0400 Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <736114440.15994.0@unix5.andrew.cmu.edu> I'm sure the subject of whether or not you can buy a misc. Macintosh keyboard and plug it into your ADB NeXT, but I'm wondering the opposite: can I plug the NeXT ADB keyboard into my Mac? And... if I can... how would I go about buying a NeXT keyboard & mouse? (remember, I need ADB.) Thanks. Greg Rhodes gr1c@andrew.cmu.edu
From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Selects Bell Atlantic as Authorized Service Provider Date: 29 Apr 1993 20:54:22 GMT Organization: NeXT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1rpf9u$4fa@rosie.next.com> News FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Mary Keifer Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services 215/296-2987 Elizabeth Pasternock/Margaret Densley 312/280-7000 Karen Steele NeXT Computer, Inc 415/780-3781 NeXT Selects Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services As Authorized Service Provider FRAZER, Penn., April 26, 1993 - Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services and NeXT Computer Inc., today signed an agreement that names Bell Atlantic as the official service provider for NeXT workstations and printers worldwide. On May 15, subject to standard closing conditions, Bell Atlantic will assume responsibility for servicing NeXT hardware in the U.S. under warranty as well as offer post warranty support services. "This is another very important step in taking care of our existing customers as we complete our transition to a software-only company," said Steven P. Jobs, chairman, president and CEO of NeXT. "We chose Bell Atlantic because of its multivendor support offerings, its excellent reputation as a first-class service provider and its ability to expand upon the services NeXT was able to offer. We also wanted a service provider who, in the future could support the Intel-based PCs running NEXTSTEP." In addition to its NeXT service capabilities, Bell Atlantic supports more than 640 other brands of hardware and software from 338 key field offices worldwide. The company services more than 650,000 units for 60,000 customers at 80,000 sites worldwide. "Our expertise in servicing NeXT products as well as hundreds of other hardware and software products will help customers maximize their overall equipment investment throughout the long term," said Gene Greer, president of Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services. "We will continue the high-quality service that NeXT offered their customers. In addition, for customers with multivendor environments, this is an ideal opportunity to consolidate efforts with one vendor." NeXT equipment repairs will be conducted at the Hayward, Calif. repair facility of Bell Atlantic Computer Technology Services. In addition, Bell Atlantic intends to hire the NeXT service customer representatives who currently support the NeXT service hotline. Until May 15, NeXT users can obtain service support by contacting 1-800-848-NeXT. After May 15, NeXT users can call 1-800-NEX-NeXT to reach the Bell Atlantic customer service department. Bell Atlantic will attend NeXTWORLD Expo on May 25 through May 27, in San Francisco to tell customers firsthand about the new hardware service offerings. For NeXT users not attending NeXTWORLD, Bell Atlantic plans to distribute service information in mid-May. Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services, headquartered in Frazer, Penn., is the world's leading independent computer service organization. It supports more IBM and DEC systems than any other organization outside of the manufacturers, and services more than 640 other brands as well. In all, Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services maintains more than 10,000 makes and models of computer hardware. Bell Atlantic Corporation, based in Philadelphia, is the parent of telephone companies in the mid-Atlantic region, and one of the largest cellular carriers in the nation. Bell Atlantic also is the parent of companies that provide software and systems integration and financial services. NeXT develops and markets the industry-acclaimed NEXTSTEP object-oriented software for industry-standard computer architectures. NEXTSTEP is used by customers to develop and deploy client/server applications, using both custom and shrink-wrapped productivity software. NeXT is headquartered at 900 Chesapeake Drive, Redwood City, Calif., 94063. -30- Next, the NeXT logo, NEXTSTEP, and NeXTWORLD are trademarks of NeXT, Inc. All other trademarks belong to their respective owners.
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT > DAT interface Date: 29 Apr 1993 18:47:08 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1rpltcINN6ds@systemix.com> References: <gfriara00iUyA7kElC@andrew.cmu.edu> In article <gfriara00iUyA7kElC@andrew.cmu.edu> Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >Hi, I have a kinda unusual question. > >I'm interested in buying a tape backup unit for my NeXT, since having >500 megs of un-backed-up material is kinda worrisome at best. DAT seems >to be the medium of choice for data capacity and cost considerations >that I'm facing. Now, it seems to me that it would be quite reasonable >for someone to make a DAT tape deck / backup drive that would combine >the functionality of an audio DAT deck and a SCSI DAT backup device. >However, to the best of my knowledge, such things don't exist in a >reasonable (under $1500) price range. So I had an idea. > >Why not connect the coaxial input and output of a consumer DAT tape deck >up to the DSP port on a NeXT via the proper interface electronics? How >difficult could that be? Not very, right? Then write some software to >send raw 16-bit samples encoding the contents of your hard drive plus >some error correction and so forth out to your DAT deck, pressing >"record" or "play" at the appropriate times. Sure, it's a pain in the >ass; but my question is, would it work, and has anyone done it? > This kind of sounds like the old VCR as a backup mechanism argument. There are several reasons I think this is a bad idea: 1) There is no good way to have the computer control the deck. 2) There is different error correction used in 4mm drives designed for data. The effective bit error rate is 1 in 10^15. 3) It's likely that some needed resource (the DAT, DSP, or something else) would not be reliably available when needed. This is especially true if you're doing regular nightly backups. 4) DAT drives designed for data support a range of features, like block seekability, that are not available in an audio unit. 5) WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY !? Are you really going to spend a couple of months engineering a solution to this problem when you can buy a perfectly good DAT drive for under $1K ??? Get real. I'm sure I could come up with another 50 or so reasons, but I think #5 sums it up nicely. Buy a 4mm DATA DAT drive. They're cheap, reliable and have a nicer feature set than any other tape drive made. Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Mailorder DATs? Date: 29 Apr 1993 18:51:41 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1rpm5tINN6eg@systemix.com> References: <1rou2pINN7ne@gap.caltech.edu> In article <1rou2pINN7ne@gap.caltech.edu> tll@cco.caltech.edu (Tal Lewis Lancaster) writes: >I am looking for Mailorder places that sell DAT drives. Does anybody have >a favorite that has really good deals? > I can think of three of hand: Servare Systems 714 837 1175 Peripheral Solutions 800 ALL DISK 408 425 8280 APS 800 235 3707 All three sell nice DAT drives. Peripheral Solutions even sells the new Exabyte 4mm drive. I guess even Exabyte is worried that 8mm is dying. Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) Subject: Re: NeXT > DAT interface Message-ID: <C69Jws.Koq@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Sender: news@dartvax.dartmouth.edu (The News Manager) Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH References: <gfriara00iUyA7kElC@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 21:05:15 GMT Sounds like a pretty cool idea to me. Q
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: hp laser jet 4m connection Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 19:00:53 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <0fs5sZO00WB6F2bEBD@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <C69DHE.Bzv@news.cis.umn.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 29-Apr-93 hp laser jet 4m connection by Danny Quah@atlas.socsci. > I have been experimenting with a null modem cable from a Mac, There's your problem right there. The '040 NeXT machines provide RS423 ports that are *not* cable compatible with the Mac (RS232) cables. You need to use a RS423 cable in order to use hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control. (BTW, hardware flow control is a very good idea; it's worth getting or making the right cable.) > and am getting nowhere; getting the Sep92FAQ connector involves > switching around the connections on pins 1, 2, and 8. Before I plunge > into that, what has everyone been using? Is that the correct pinout? > Is there a source for these cables in the US? Yes there is, but I don't have the address handy. Check out the advertizing section in a NeXTworld. Good luck. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com> Subject: Video projector Message-ID: <1993Apr29.200252.4428@proponent.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Sender: monty@proponent.com (Monty Solomon) Organization: Proponent Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 20:02:52 GMT I want to hook up a video projector or large monitor to the NeXT for a presentation. The information in NeXTanswers is a few years old. What solutions are available/recommended today for using a video projector or large monitor on a NeXTstation or NeXTstation Color? Thanks. Monty -- # Monty Solomon / PO Box 2486 / Framingham, MA 01701-0405 # monty%roscom@think.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.apps,comp.sys.next.programmer From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) Subject: Rebuilding a controller block Message-ID: <1993Apr30.023832.27331@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 02:38:32 GMT I have a Seagate drive which has had the controller blocks wrote over on the drive. (Its a seagate, scsi-2). Is there software for my beloved NeXT that'll let me re-do the blocks? (I called the Seagate support bbs and downloaded all the info that about the drive that I'd need to do it, but I don't have the software to do it) Thanks! If you can, please reply via mail, since this is very important to me and my computer! shane -- :::Apple II forever!!:::GO BUCKS!:::Play Lacrosse!!:::Raging Bullwinkle!::: : Shane M . Zatezalo - CIS OSU: i-net> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu : : root@tap.colum.fnet.org : NeXTMail> shane@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu : :GS::: call T.A.P. a Futurenet BBS 614-297-7031 16.8k DS HST 425 MEGS ::GS:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wfc@cl.cam.ac.uk (William Clocksin) Subject: Interfacing HP 550C printer? Message-ID: <1993Apr30.083513.20254@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Sender: news@infodev.cam.ac.uk (USENET news) Organization: U of Cambridge, England Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 08:35:13 GMT Has anyone successfully connected an HP 550C colour inkjet printer? Sorry if there is a FAQ on this I didn't see. ---------------------------------------------------- W.F. Clocksin, Assistant Director of Research, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QG, U.K. Internet: wfc@CL.cam.ac.uk (NeXTMail is acceptable) Tel UK: (0223) 334628. Tel (Int'l): +44 223-334628. Fax UK: (0223) 334678. Fax (Int'l): +44 223-334678.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mib@bio132 (Michael Bruewer) Subject: Help needed with ND-board Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <C6ArLC.qM@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 12:48:47 GMT Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum Dear Netters! I use NXLiveVideoView to read a SVHS signal from the NextDimension board. Then I use the mouse to measure some distances in the scene. The program usually panics the Computer (NextCube 040, 16 MB, NS2.1/NS 3.0, ND with 16 MB) with the following messages. The problem starts with a shrugging of the whole display. When a shrug coincides with a mouse-click or keystroke, the panic occurs. This happens even more often since the Computer has got 32 MB. The problem is the same under NS2.1 and NS3.0. Can anyone gi e me any advice where to search for the reason? Thanks in advance, Michael Bruewer. Apr 30 12:01:28 bio129 reboot: Reboot complete Apr 30 12:01:43 bio129 mach: NeXTdimension Board in Slot 2: Apr 30 12:01:43 bio129 mach: ROM Version 43, Memory Controller step 1, i860 step C.1 Apr 30 12:01:43 bio129 mach: 16 Mbytes of DRAM installed, PAL video configured Apr 30 12:01:46 bio129 mach: NeXTdimension server running (31) Apr 30 12:01:49 bio129 mach: audio kernel server initialized Apr 30 12:04:02 bio129 mach: NCPsi:CreateService; Create Connection cc=828 Apr 30 12:06:36 bio129 mach: NCPsi:CreateService; Create Connection cc=828 Apr 30 12:09:10 bio129 mach: NCPsi:CreateService; Create Connection cc=828 Apr 30 13:03:02 bio129 syslog: Workspace logged in Apr 30 13:21:20 bio129 -[194]: loginwindow: Workspace exited ts 0 cd 0 rc 0 sv 0 ss 0. Apr 30 13:22:01 bio129 syslog: Workspace logged in Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: unexpected kernel page fault failure Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: trap: type 0x8 fcode 5 rw 1 faultaddr 0x11470004 Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: trap: pc 0x113aa488 sp 0x2d5cb0 sr 0x2000 Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: trap: cpu 0 th 0x1016e490 proc 0x0 pid 0 pcb 0x1146700c Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: traceback: fp 0x11467ffc Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: called from pc 00000201 fp 00000000 4-args 00000024 00000000 0000001f 00000000 Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: last fp 0x0 Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: panic: (Cpu 0) bus error Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: NeXT ROM Monitor 2.4 v65 Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: panic: NeXT Mach 3.0: Wed Jul 29 19:43:28 PDT 1992; root(rcbuilder):mk-127.15/BUILD/RELEASE_M68K Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: Apr 30 14:16:34 bio129 mach: Killing all processes rebooting Mach... -- ******* ****** ** ** ** ** Michael Bruewer ******** ****** ** **** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** e-mail: mib@bio128. ** ** ** ** ** ** **** uni-bielefeld.de ******** ***** ** ** ** ** ******* ***** ** ******** ** Uni Bielefeld ** ** ** ** ******** **** Fak. Biologie/Abt.4 ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** W-4800 Bielefeld 1 ** ** ****** ***** ** ** ** ** Germany ** ** ****** ***** ** ** ** **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gene@andy.hssc.scarolina.edu (Eugene Rowley) Subject: NeXT Printer and Macs. Message-ID: <gene-300493070526@129.252.7.27> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: usenet@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Humanities Computer Lab, USC, SC Date: Fri, 30 Apr 93 12:09:33 GMT Okay. I know Macs, I know PC's. Just when I was getting to know NeXT, our cube's HD bit the dust in a big way. Now I got a mac II ci and I wantta hook it to a NeXT greyscale 400 dpi printer. The original printer NeXT sent w/the cube. Anybody know where I can get a cable and a driver? Damn thing is useless as a doorstop. Eugene Rowley Nighttime manager of the University of South Carolina Humanities and Social Sciences Computer Lab. Applications consultant in Pgmkr, Freehand, Illustrator, Wordperfect, Lotus, SAS, Deltagraph, Excel, Word, Dbase 2, 3, and 4, and Novel. PC/Mac wiz. Unix Woos.
From: belsaggc@w271zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Torsten Belschner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: long SCSI-cables Date: 30 Apr 1993 16:48:25 GMT Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Message-ID: <1rrl8p$egd@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Does anybody know of a trick or device that allows for SCSI-cables to be longer than 8 ft.? What I need is a connection about 17 ft. long, which does not seem to work without amplification. Any comments appreciated. Torsten ----- Torsten Belschner belsaggc@w271zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: phil@news.uta.edu (Patrick Phillips) Subject: Specmarks for NeXTStation Turbo? Message-ID: <1993Apr30.165148.6699@news.uta.edu> Organization: University of Texas at Arlington Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 16:51:48 GMT Does anyone have Spec92 int and fp marks for the NeXTstation Turbo? It's sort of old news now I realize, but it will help me make comparisions between my current machine and other number crunchers a little easier. Note to DEC and HP: If one of you guys offered NeXTSTEP on your high end machines, I would buy one. As it is now, you're definitely in the commodity business, and I will simply buy the machine that gives me the best price/performance (which sounds like DEC at my school). Patrick Phillips University of Texas at Arlington phil@decster.uta.edu
From: Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT > DAT interface Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 13:46:24 -0400 Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <wfsKLke00iUyI4ndUH@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1rpltcINN6ds@systemix.com> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 29-Apr-93 Re: NeXT > DAT interface by Brian Cuthie@systemix.co > 5) WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY !? Are you really going to spend a couple of months > engineering a solution to this problem when you can buy a perfectly > good DAT drive for under $1K ??? Get real. > > I'm sure I could come up with another 50 or so reasons, but I think #5 sums > it up nicely. Buy a 4mm DATA DAT drive. They're cheap, reliable and > have a nicer feature set than any other tape drive made. I've generally agreed with most of what I've read on this thread. But this response really kinda ticks me off. It is obvious that it has been too long since this guy has been a college student on a tight budget. Under $1k may be chicken feed to some, but it is currently about a third of my total annual income. Hence, spending *less* than that to get *both* audio and data capabilities is worth a *lot* of time and inconvenience getting it working. Obviously I'm not going to be doing daily incremental backups with this. I just want something that will work. Instead of backing up once every six months when I can convince a friend to lend me a drive, I'd like to back up once every few weeks. Instead of NO data reliability, I'd like maybe 95% data reliability. I don't need 99.9999%; I'm not working for the defense department or anything. So the question is, will an audio DAT drive fulfill these needs? Not to mention, there are other side benefits to the "couple of months [spent] engineering a solution", among them, direct digital recording of audio from the NeXT DSP port, and full 16 bit A-to-D capabilities for the NeXT. That alone costs $300 or more from other sources. -- Martin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kamau@netcom.com (Kamau Wanguhu) Subject: Empty socket on '030 board Message-ID: <kamauC6BBHu.I52@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 19:58:42 GMT Is there supposed to be a chip in the empty socket that is on an '030 board. The socket is on the bottom left coner of the boad when you look at the board from the component side with the simm sockets at the top right corner. Is there a chip that I can get that fits in this socket and what would it do? Kamau Kamau@borgcube.sac.ca.us kamau@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: garton@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Bradford Garton) Subject: Seagate ST11200N disktab or MODE sense needed! Message-ID: <1993Apr30.195909.9834@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Electronic Music Center Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 19:59:09 GMT Aaaack! Like an idiot, I managed to destroy the label on my brand-spanking-new Seagate ST11200N disk. Could some kind soul send me a disktab entry and/or a the SCSI MODE sense info so I can make my life whole again? 1024-byte blocksize, I hope... THANKYOU! THANKYOU! THANKYOU! THANKYOU! THANKYOU! THANKYOU! THANKYOU! THANKYOU! Brad Garton Music Department brad@woof.music.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: Mac Drivers for NeXT CD-ROM Drive Message-ID: <C6BFs3.FDs@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <JBLEVINS.93Apr29151110@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 21:31:14 GMT In article <JBLEVINS.93Apr29151110@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> jblevins@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Jim Blevins) writes: >Does anyone know of any drivers that allow Macs to use the NeXT >CD-ROM? An earlier FAQ had a reference to a company named Trantor, >though they did not respond to a faxed query and they seem to have >been purged from the most recent FAQs. The NeXT CD-ROM is a Sony 541. Trantor certainly has drivers for it, as does FWB which now markets a program specifically for CD-ROM's. FWB is the company that has hard drive, scsi sw, etc...Call MacZone (see any MacWorld). -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: NeXT Printer and Macs. Message-ID: <C6BFvL.FI7@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <gene-300493070526@129.252.7.27> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 21:33:21 GMT In article <gene-300493070526@129.252.7.27> gene@andy.hssc.scarolina.edu (Eugene Rowley) writes: >Okay. I know Macs, I know PC's. Just when I was getting to know NeXT, our >cube's HD bit the dust in a big way. Now I got a mac II ci and I wantta >hook >it to a NeXT greyscale 400 dpi printer. The original printer NeXT sent >w/the >cube. > >Anybody know where I can get a cable and a driver? You can't. Buy a hard drive for the Cube. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: 24pin printers that emulate Epson 510 or Proprinter 24P Message-ID: <1993Apr30.214709.4860@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 21:47:09 GMT If anyone could email me the names of printers they have gotten to work with the serial printer drivers, I'd summarize and post. I'm trying to understand the hiearchy of epson or proprinter emulation. The panasonic printers emulate Epson FX-850 or Epson LP-860 and IBM Proprenter X-24e and I have no idea if those are supersets or not. -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. 919.783.7033 Joe@FreemanSoft.com -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. 919.783.7033
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: garton@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Bradford Garton) Subject: Re: Seagate ST11200N disktab or MODE sense needed! Message-ID: <1993Apr30.211213.15033@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University Electronic Music Center References: <1993Apr30.195909.9834@news.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 21:12:13 GMT Never ever mind. I done fixed it mah-self. Sorry to bother the Net. brad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com Subject: Floppy Drives for NS/I Message-ID: <1993Apr30.131919.685@hot.com> Sender: robertl@hot.com Organization: Hot Technologies Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 13:19:19 GMT Is there a floppy drive for PCs running NS/FIP that handle 2.88MB diskettes, can sense if the disk is inserted and have software controllable eject? In other words, a drive that has the same feature set as the one in NeXT computers. I think the answer is no - in which case, we should lobby hardware manufacturers like NEC, Dell and Compaq to provide one standard or as an option. I am willing to pay an extra $50-$100 for these options. The ability to sense if a diskette has been inserted is most desirable. Robert La Ferla Hot Technologies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: sela@iastate.edu (Brian J Morrison) Subject: TV signal filter for ND? Message-ID: <C6Bop4.Ao8@news.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Date: Sat, 1 May 1993 00:43:52 GMT Hello all, I have a ND board in my cube and I thought it would be really cool if I could get my computer to double as a television. The problem with TV waves, however, is that they need to be separated. I really don't know too much about filters or tuners yet. I was just wondering if any of you wizards out there had set up your NeXT to be able to display incoming TV signals (ie from an antenna or cable). If so I'd like to hear about how you did it. Thanks in advance. Brian sela@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: aelman@cs.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NeXT Printer and Macs. Message-ID: <1993May1.030750.3899@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <C6BFvL.FI7@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Sat, 1 May 93 03:07:50 GMT In article <C6BFvL.FI7@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: > In article <gene-300493070526@129.252.7.27> gene@andy.hssc.scarolina.edu (Eugene Rowley) writes: > >Okay. I know Macs, I know PC's. Just when I was getting to know NeXT, our > >cube's HD bit the dust in a big way. Now I got a mac II ci and I wantta > >hook > >it to a NeXT greyscale 400 dpi printer. The original printer NeXT sent > >w/the > >cube. > > > >Anybody know where I can get a cable and a driver? > > You can't. Buy a hard drive for the Cube. > Just to explain a little more: The problem is that the NeXT printer is actually really dumb; all the PostScript imaging is done inside the NeXT itself. Thus, the Mac driver would have to do all the imaging for PostScript at 400 dpi. Such a driver doesn't exist. Adam Elman aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: hp laser jet 4m connection Message-ID: <1993Apr30.132804.504@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <0fs5sZO00WB6F2bEBD@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 93 13:28:04 GMT In article <0fs5sZO00WB6F2bEBD@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes: > Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 29-Apr-93 hp laser jet 4m > connection by Danny Quah@atlas.socsci. > > I have been experimenting with a null modem cable from a Mac, > > There's your problem right there. The '040 NeXT machines provide RS423 > ports that are *not* cable compatible with the Mac (RS232) cables. You > need to use a RS423 cable in order to use hardware (RTS/CTS) flow > control. (BTW, hardware flow control is a very good idea; it's worth > getting or making the right cable.) > > > and am getting nowhere; getting the Sep92FAQ connector involves > > switching around the connections on pins 1, 2, and 8. Before I plunge > > into that, what has everyone been using? Is that the correct pinout? > > Is there a source for these cables in the US? > > Yes there is, but I don't have the address handy. Check out the > advertizing section in a NeXTworld. > > Good luck. > -Chuck > Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) > ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even > AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. > Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. > NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns. > I imagine that the MODEM cabels that NeXTConnection sells would work for a printer with flow control. They are about $25 and well made. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kamau@netcom.com (Kamau Wanguhu) Subject: Re: Empty socket on '030 board Message-ID: <kamauC6D005.8yC@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <kamauC6BBHu.I52@netcom.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 1993 17:45:40 GMT Kamau Wanguhu (kamau@netcom.com) wrote: : : Is there supposed to be a chip in the empty socket that is on an '030 : board. The socket is on the bottom left coner of the boad when you : look at the board from the component side with the simm sockets at the : top right corner. Is there a chip that I can get that fits in this : socket and what would it do? : : Kamau : : Kamau@borgcube.sac.ca.us : kamau@netcom.com : : Thanks to the following for answering my question Kevin D. Baranski-Walker <csusac!bigtree.com!kevin> Art Isbell <csusac!cats.UCSC.EDU!isbell> Mark Adler <csusac!cco.caltech.edu!madler> Isbell said: "That empty socket is for the NeXTbus chip which wasn't ready in time to be installed on the 030 board, so you're not missing something that should be there." Kevin and Adler said that it was : "The NBIC socket" The prices quoted for the chip ranged from $25-$50 which is cheap enough if I ever need it. Maybe someone at NeXT could tell me if they still have any lying around that they are selling. Thank you one and all --- ===================================================================== Kamau Wanguhu Phone:(916)381-8216 FAX:(916)381-4258 Internet: kamau@borgcube.sac.ca.us or:kamau@netcom.com NeXT mail Welcome :-) =====================================================================
From: albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Speeding up the 030/040 board Date: 2 May 1993 17:47:47 +0300 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s0muj$vo@cc.tut.fi> Keywords: kludge This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen Couple weeks ago there was a small conversation going on regarding the home-made turbo projects. Because NeXT keeps quite low profile when it comes to hardware schematics, I haven't been able to found any good information of the chip level peripherals of the processor on the motherboard. However it seems that it's possible to drive the processor at 50 MHz, if the processor is changed to a faster one and incoming clock is modified. Originally there is a 100 MHz chrystal and 25 MHz is done by dividing the original clock speed by four (I would imagine there are two high speed D-flip-flops to do that). If this works, it wouldn't speed up the system 100%. I'd be greatful if the average speed would raise 50%. I believe 33 MHz processor would be fast enough to be driven with 50 MHz, if there are some cooling elements seated on it. Has anyone actually done this? Physically this is a bit hard, since you have to remove the old processor out of 4-layer motherboard without breaking any of the tiny tubes that connect the layers together.. and futhermore you must add the new dividing part for the processor CLK. Does anyone know if there is E-clock still generated by 030/040? At least 68000 generated a clock to drive peripheral chips which was 1/10 of the CPU clock. It would help a lot if this signal is removed out of the processor. -Juha
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin) Subject: Re: Speeding up the 030/040 board Message-ID: <1993May2.181831.12818@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> Keywords: kludge Sender: usenet@nntpd.lkg.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1s0muj$vo@cc.tut.fi> Date: Sun, 2 May 1993 18:18:31 GMT In article <1s0muj$vo@cc.tut.fi> albert@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Ojala Pasi) writes: >This is a forwarded message from: Juha Tuominen > >Couple weeks ago there was a small conversation going on regarding the >home-made turbo projects. Because NeXT keeps quite low profile when it >comes to hardware schematics, I haven't been able to found any good >information of the chip level peripherals of the processor on the >motherboard. However it seems that it's possible to drive the processor >at 50 MHz, if the processor is changed to a faster one and incoming clock >is modified. Originally there is a 100 MHz chrystal and 25 MHz is done by >dividing the original clock speed by four (I would imagine there are two >high speed D-flip-flops to do that). >If this works, it wouldn't speed up the system 100%. I'd be greatful if >the average speed would raise 50%. I believe 33 MHz processor would >be fast enough to be driven with 50 MHz, if there are some cooling elements >seated on it. Has anyone actually done this? Physically this is a bit hard, >since you have to remove the old processor out of 4-layer motherboard without >breaking any of the tiny tubes that connect the layers together.. and >futhermore you must add the new dividing part for the processor CLK. >Does anyone know if there is E-clock still generated by 030/040? At least >68000 generated a clock to drive peripheral chips which was 1/10 of the >CPU clock. It would help a lot if this signal is removed out of the processor. The divide down on the 68000 was to support older 6800 series peripheral parts. Im not sure how useful it would be having 50MHz 68030s waiting on 1MHz IO parts. Unless you have an absolute need to destroy a $5,000 box, Id suggest you dont attempt this. First, Motorola seems to think that their high end parts are only reliable to 33MHz. Its easy to pull off 20-30 watts from a part with passive cooling systems, so I doubt that heat was the sole limiting factor. Higher clocks mean faster switching, which means far more current and far more noise. If you have to raise the 68040, clock, clock divider, etc... off the motherboard youre going to add even more noise to the system. Im willing to bet that NeXT uses the synchronous bus operations to fill the caches, and I sincerely doubt the rest of the system will be able to feed it at those speeds. Be happy that your box works at all as it is. A motherboard swap on most any machine from most any manufacturer is a significant percentage of what it would cost to get a new system (and NeXT doesnt make any more systems, further raising the value of replacement motherboards.) >-Juha -Steve -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stephen E. Halpin halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com "You might just have to waste your life just to live." - Soul Asylum
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT hard drive recommendations Date: 2 May 1993 20:22:36 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <1s1aicINN9ml@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Summary: Peripheral Solutions (with former Tecor connections) seems good Keywords: disk About a week ago, I asked for NeXT hard drive recommendations. I also asked for feedback about various vendors. Thanks to all who responded (I've tried to respond privately via email). I settled on a DEC DSP3105 3.5", 1.0 GB (formatted), 9.5 ms., 5400 RPM drive. The Seagate ST11200N was a close second, but DEC's 48-hour warranty replacement (as compared with Seagate's replacement program which can take up to 2 weeks) swayed me. Both offer a 5-year warranty. Some have reported that this drive runs too hot to use in a slab, but in an external case with its own fan, I can't detect any heat when I touch the case. The drive itself gets warm to the touch, but I'm surprised that heat problems have been reported. Peripheral Solutions says that they've had a couple returns of early models of this drive due to heat problems, but several customers are running them in slabs with no problems. Larry Cohen (formerly of Tecor) plans to set up a NeXT test bench at Periperal Solutions so that he can verify that new drives are NeXT-compatible. He carries the same NeXT-black external cases that Tecor sold. Peripheral Solutions's price for the DEC drive in a small case with voltage-sensing power supply, cooling fan, and externally-settable SCSI address was $1,396. The Seagate was $60 less. Larry Cohen can be reached at (800) 255-3475 or (408) 425-8280 for our non-US residents. His fax number is (408) 425-5792. I have no connection with Peripheral Solutions other than being a satisfied customer. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NeXT software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: Re: Floppy Drives for NS/I Message-ID: <1993May2.203539.765@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) References: <1993Apr30.131919.685@hot.com> Date: Sun, 2 May 1993 20:35:39 GMT In article <1993Apr30.131919.685@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: > Is there a floppy drive for PCs running NS/FIP that handle 2.88MB > diskettes, can sense if the disk is inserted and have software > controllable eject? In other words, a drive that has the same > feature set as the one in NeXT computers. > > I think the answer is no - in which case, we should lobby hardware > manufacturers like NEC, Dell and Compaq to provide one standard or as > an option. I am willing to pay an extra $50-$100 for these options. > > The ability to sense if a diskette has been inserted is most > desirable. > I contacted Dell about 3 months ago, and they did offer the 2.88 MB floppy. How and if it is supported by NeXTStep is another matter. That I simply do not know. At that same time, Compaq did not offer that drive option. Wes Spears
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: joseph@lilliput.fdn.org (Joseph Goldstone) Subject: Need help formatting IBMOEM 0661467 hard drive Message-ID: <1993May2.190517.260@lilliput.fdn.org> Keywords: IBM SCSI disk format Sender: joseph@lilliput.fdn.org Organization: Lilliputian Pictures - Paris, France. Date: Sun, 2 May 1993 19:05:17 GMT Folks: I'm trying to prep up a disk for a friend. He got this disk as an indefinite loan from a local NeXT hardware vendor who put it together, it would seem, out of spare parts. If I can make it work, he gets to buy it at a low price, seems to be how the deal goes. Anyway, I set the SCSI address of the disk to be 5, well above my hard drive (at SCSI 1) and my swap drive (a Quantum 40 at SCSI 4) but below my CD-ROM drive (at SCSI 5). The OD and floppy on this 25MHz '040 cube don't come into the SCSI address space (I believe; please someone correct me if I'm wrong). I booted up the machine and it showed up as an Apple hard drive (which it had been in a prior existence, before it became "spare parts"). Looking at the device with SCSIInquirer told me that it was of type IBMOEM, Model 0661467, capacity 400M. (The case has a Jasmine logo and says "Direct Drive 80" on it, but I knew the insides didn't match the outside; "spare parts"...) So, things looking basically OK, I tried to format the disk using Rory Bolt's "formatter" (v 1.2), and got: Unable to format disk due to error in mode select command. OK, a little unnerving. So, I read the doc for the "disk" command, which advised one to dismount the drive before messing with it. I unmounted it with: umount "/disque dur" which basically made it stop showing up as "df" output as /dev/rsd2h, but instead df started to always print a line about the directory "/disque dur" not being found or mounted. Would that I had written down the exact message, but... Having unmounted the disk as best I could, I then formatted the disk with the "disk -F" command, which seemed to go normally: disk -F /dev/rsd2h To check that this had indeed finished normally, I then checked the disk stats with the "disk -s" command, which gave this disquieting error: lilliput:3# disk -s /dev/rsd2h disk name: IBMOEM 0661467 disk type: fixed_rw_scsi stats: invalid request for type fixed_rw_scsi I then powered down and powered back up, logged in as root, and got a message about the disk not being initialized. So I chose to initialize it as a NeXT disk with label "Jasmine". This went away for a moment, and the I got a panel telling me the initialization failed and that I should look at the console to see diagnostic messages. Here they are: /usr/etc/disk -i -h lilliput -l "Jasmine" /dev/rsd2a disk name: IBMOEM 0661467 disk type: fixed_rw_scsi writing disk label sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 1 ... sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 9 sd2: Incomplete disk transfer - FATAL sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 1 ... sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 9 sd2: Incomplete disk transfer - FATAL sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 1 ... sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 9 sd2: Incomplete disk transfer - FATAL sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 1 ... sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 9 sd2: Incomplete disk transfer - FATAL creating new filesystem on /dev/rsd2a /usr/etc/newfs -n -v /dev/rsd2a /etc/mkfs /dev/rsd2a 391140 24 14 8192 1024 16 10 60 4096 t sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x400, resid = 0x400, retry 1 ... sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x400, resid = 0x400, retry 9 sd2: Incomplete disk transfer - FATAL write error: 391139 wtfs: I/O error /usr/etc/newfs /dev/rsd2a failed (status 1) So at this point I gave up. Two wild hypotheses which I would like to put before ye, assembled sages, and if neither is valid perhaps you could suggest others, including of course the one that says this drive is and will always be junk. 1) This IBMOEM-0661467 needs a more interesting disktab than the one that NeXT constructs automagically. Someone out there perhaps has a disktab entry that I can merge into my /etc/disktab and specify on the command line to disk? 2) The SCSI connector layout is bad. One thing that surprised me a little on this drive was the way the SCSI connector was set up. If I take out my Micropolis from its external housing, I notice that the top SCSI connector runs its ribbon cable from the inside of connector A (CA) to the drive electronics, and then back to the outside of the case via connector B (CB), like this: + CA| + \ \ \_drive electronics / / +/ CB| + But what I see when I open up the crypto-Jasmine box is _drive electronics / / + CA| + \ \ | / / + CB| + Is this legal, electrically? Seems to me whomever put this thing together out of spare parts created a little stub off the SCSI path. Is there a circumstance under which this would be a "legal" wiring, e.g. if one always put the drive at the end of the SCSI chain, if the drive was internally terminated, and if one never put an external terminator on CA? Do the messages above correspond to what one might see if the SCSI bus was doubly terminated? Thanks in advance for any help you might have to give, -- joseph Some additional data: Here's stuff from /usr/adm/messages that seems relevant. This would seem to date from the first attempt to use the drive, while it was still formatted as a Mac disk: May 2 18:06:27 lilliput mach: IBMOEM 0661467 Rev G k as sd2 at sc0 target 5 lun 0 ... May 2 18:07:52 lilliput mach: Mac File System: Initialized May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x200, resid = 0x200, retry 1 ... May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x200, resid = 0x200, retry 9 May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: sd2: Incomplete disk transfer - FATAL May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: macfs: ERROR: mac unix_rw: write FAILED 5 May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: macfs: ERROR: mac unix_read_write: FAILED on second i/o May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x200, resid = 0x200, retry 1 ... May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: sd2: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x200, resid = 0x200, retry 9 May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: sd2: Incomplete disk transfer - FATAL May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: macfs: ERROR: mac unix_rw: write FAILED 5 May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: macfs: ERROR: mac unix_read_write: FAILED on second i/o May 2 18:09:16 lilliput mach: macfs: ERROR: flush_node: write_node FAILED May 2 18:09:18 lilliput mach: macfs: ERROR: mac_unmount: ROOT MACNODE COUNT = 2 May 2 18:09:29 lilliput mach: macfs: ERROR: mac_unmount: ROOT MACNODE COUNT = 2 A bit further on, the messages that I mentioned above as having been in the console window show up in the messages file. That seems to be about it in terms of relevant messages. Thanks again for any help!
From: annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Floppy Drives for NS/I Date: 2 May 1993 21:27:55 GMT Organization: the Borg Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s1ecrINNkm@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> References: <1993Apr30.131919.685@hot.com> In article <1993Apr30.131919.685@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: > Is there a floppy drive for PCs running NS/FIP that handle 2.88MB > diskettes, can sense if the disk is inserted and have software > controllable eject? In other words, a drive that has the same > feature set as the one in NeXT computers. > I think the new IBM PCs had these drives (not sure though). It would indeed be an interesting add-on for NeXTSTEP/FIP capable machines. Right now I *hate* to think that every time I would insert a disk or want to eject it I throw the disk in the Recycler I keep my hand in front of the floppy disk waiting for the floppy to jump into my hand... and wait... and wait... Annard -- Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) People? You can forget it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: Floppy Drives for NS/I Message-ID: <1993May02.235342.17374@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Sun, 02 May 93 23:53:42 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1s1ecrINNkm@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> In article <1s1ecrINNkm@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl> annard@theborg.stack.urc.tue.nl (Annard Brouwer) writes: > In article <1993Apr30.131919.685@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: > > Is there a floppy drive for PCs running NS/FIP that handle 2.88MB > > diskettes, can sense if the disk is inserted and have software > > controllable eject? In other words, a drive that has the same > > feature set as the one in NeXT computers. > > > I think the new IBM PCs had these drives (not sure though). It would indeed > be an interesting add-on for NeXTSTEP/FIP capable machines. Right now I *hate* > to think that every time I would insert a disk or want to eject it I throw the > disk in the Recycler I keep my hand in front of the floppy disk waiting for the > floppy to jump into my hand... and wait... and wait... > > Annard > -- > Annard Brouwer annard@stack.urc.tue.nl (NeXTmail appreciated) > People? You can forget it. The IBM 57 series has 2.88 MB floppies but they are not automatic. You can pick up a TEAC 2.88 for < $100 but these require a special controller (as I understand it) and NeXT has not yet written a driver. -- -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: thompson@netcom.com Subject: want to add ADB to my turbo color--have you done it? help! Message-ID: <thompsonC6FIus.5yB@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Summary: adb turbo color upgrade Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 02:28:03 GMT If anyone out there has successfully gotten their turbo color non-ADB switched to an ADB version (by getting the new roms, monitor, keyboard, etc, from NeXT), I would like to hear from you. My current (Fimi) monitor is dying, and I don't want another--I want the Sony. Please help me out by letting me know what you had to go through to get it changed. I want to have black hardware that LASTS and doesn't just go to hell. thanks, Eric p.s. if it matters, this machine is still under warranty.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: eps@shell.portal.com (Eric Schwartz) Subject: FAXing with the Worldblazer? Message-ID: <C6FLK9.9FD@unix.portal.com> Followup-To: poster Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 03:26:32 GMT Has anyone been successful hooking up a Telebit Worldblazer to a NeXTstation, and being able to send FAXen as well as communicate at high speeds via modem? Thanks, Eric -- Eric Schwartz eps@shell.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NeXT Printer and Macs. Message-ID: <C6F1pt.8H@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <gene-300493070526@129.252.7.27> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 2 May 1993 20:17:52 GMT In article <gene-300493070526@129.252.7.27> gene@andy.hssc.scarolina.edu (Eugene Rowley) writes: > Okay. I know Macs, I know PC's. Just when I was getting to know NeXT, our > cube's HD bit the dust in a big way. Now I got a mac II ci and I wantta > hook > it to a NeXT greyscale 400 dpi printer. The original printer NeXT sent > w/the > cube. > > Anybody know where I can get a cable and a driver? > > Damn thing is useless as a doorstop. > It will continue to be "useless as a doorstop". The NeXT printer is a raster engine and has no brains. Sell it and buy a printer that will work with a Mac. There are plenty of people willing to buy. (I'm not one of them - I have a NeXT printer.) Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware From: kramer@fragile.uucp (Mike Andrews) Subject: Mouse needed! (do I need a whole Starting Point Kit to get one?) Message-ID: <C6FL8H.2Bn@fragile.uucp> Sender: kramer@fragile.uucp (Mike Andrews) Organization: Terminal Frost Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 03:19:28 GMT I sorta asked this once before and didn't get much helpful feedback.. :-( I'm in desperate need of a new mouse, as the one I have now has a short in its cable near the base of the mouse. If anyone has an extra one, I'd love to buy it off of you... Since that's a little unlikely... what exactly comes with the Starting Point Kit? My understanding is that it was a keyboard, mouse, and maybe something else (sound box, maybe, but I'm on a 25mhz mono slab...) If I have to buy a keyboard to get a mouse, I guess I can, but... Someone a few days back posted a few starting point kits for sale... ANY help would be appreciated, as I'm getting tired of moving my mouse one direction and having the cursor go another... -- Mike Andrews root@fragile.uucp [NeXTmail OK] kramer@wittenberg.edu (school) "This guy's pretty bizarre, Gus." kramer@mik.uky.edu (hometown) -- Primus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dquah@riffle.Stanford.EDU (Danny Quah) Subject: Re: hp laser jet 4m connection Message-ID: <1993May3.065437.726@leland.Stanford.EDU> Summary: use the Sep92 FAQ pinout Keywords: hp laser jet 4m, pinout Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <0fs5sZO00WB6F2bEBD@andrew.cmu.edu> <1993Apr30.132804.504@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Date: Mon, 3 May 93 06:54:37 GMT Regarding my earlier post, the cable pinout for the HPLJ3 given in the Sep92FAQ actually does work for the HPLJ4M as well. (Thanks for Izumi Ohzawa for pointing this out to me.) I rewired an old mac null modem cable I had lying around, hooked it up, and the Testpage printed beautifully. Make the changes that everyone on comp.text.tex has been talking about (to next.mf, config.ps, and MakeTeXPK), and everything's ready for TeX work. Thanks to Tom Marchioro, Bryan Milligan, Jens H|rup Jensen, and especially to Izumi Ohzawa. [I wonder if lj4m info shouldn't be in the FAQ...] -- --Danny (dquah@[lse.ac.uk|riffle.stanford.edu|atlas.socsci.umn.edu]) Economics Department, LSE St Clements 479: 071-955-7535 Houghton Street, London WC2A 2AE, United Kingdom Fax: 071-831-1840
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: NeXT hard drive recommendations In-Reply-To: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu's message of 2 May 1993 20:22:36 GMT To: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93May2183626@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1s1aicINN9ml@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Sun, 2 May 1993 22:36:26 GMT In article <1s1aicINN9ml@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes: I settled on a DEC DSP3105 3.5", 1.0 GB (formatted), 9.5 ms., 5400 RPM drive. The Seagate ST11200N was a close second, but DEC's 48-hour warranty replacement (as compared with Seagate's replacement program which can take up to 2 weeks) swayed me. Both offer a 5-year warranty. That sounds like a really fast drive. Care to post a few benchmarks ? Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: Floppy Drives for NS/I Message-ID: <1993May3.143854.1568@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <1993Apr30.131919.685@hot.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 14:38:54 GMT In article <1993Apr30.131919.685@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: > Is there a floppy drive for PCs running NS/FIP that handle 2.88MB > diskettes, can sense if the disk is inserted and have software > controllable eject? In other words, a drive that has the same > feature set as the one in NeXT computers. > > I think the answer is no - in which case, we should lobby hardware > manufacturers like NEC, Dell and Compaq to provide one standard or as > an option. I am willing to pay an extra $50-$100 for these options. > > The ability to sense if a diskette has been inserted is most > desirable. > > Robert La Ferla > Hot Technologies How about the PLI Superfloppy? Any of the SCSI floppies should work with NS/I, right? Unfortunately, at a higher price. -- Jonathan Hendry Anderson Financial Systems jon@afs.com (Nextmail Welcome!) or tjhendry@queen.mcs.drexel.edu I see an Epson and I want to paint it black...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: riley@nextchair.uwlax.edu (David Riley) Subject: portable info? Message-ID: <1993May3.181347.7244@purelogic.cs.uwlax.edu> Keywords: portable, NeXTSTEP Sender: usenet@purelogic.cs.uwlax.edu (News Poster) Organization: University of Wisconsin - La Crosse Computer Science Department Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 18:13:47 GMT I'm looking for information about purchasing a portable NeXTSTEP machine. I've seen the "compatibility" listing of Compaq and Toshiba machines; does anyone know of others? Has anybody tried an NS portable? I know I could get more information by the end of the month, but I really don't have the time. Thanks in advance.
From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Sun HD on a NeXT Date: 3 May 1993 20:00:17 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s3tkh$7bk@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> I recently purchased a Seagate ST1480N SCSI-2 hard drive. I used it on my Apple II for a while, but got a new scsi interface for it. Well, the interface doesn't like the Sun Sparc station's information that was wrote on the control block. (The previous owner had it on a Sun...) So I figured I'd use the drive on the NeXT here. I plugged it in. Powered it up, and was in the monitor to watch the boot process. It came up as "generic scsi at sg0 at sc0 target 7 lun 7 I would have thought that the cpu would have known the drive was a seagate) Anyway, I cannot figure out what to do now. If I try to do "/usr/etc/sdform /dev/sg0, I get: peach# /usr/etc/sdform /dev/sg0 Request Sense command failed ioctl(SDIOCSRQ): Permission denied I found a few programs called "SCSI tools" on a ftp site, so I tried those: peach# /RemoteSpace/PeanutSpace/Shane/scsitools/inquire -t 1 -l 0 "QUANTUM /LP105S 910109405/2.8 /" typ=0 dev=0 ans=2 fmt=1 -t 5 -l 0 "SEAGATE /ST1480 SUN0424/5826/" typ=0 dev=0 ans=2 fmt=2 So it knows the drive /is/ there. (You can even see the SUN0424 there, I'm not sure whether that's good or bad) Heck, I'm not even sure if the controller block of the drive is intact... If I try to format the drive through disk, I get: peach# /etc/disk -i /dev/sg0 get info: Invalid argument What am I doing wrong here? The cpu is obviously able to access the drive, so I don't think there's anything wrong with the drive. I -do- have all the drive specs from Seagate, so if I had to re-write the controller block from scratch, as long as I had a program that would write the data for me, I could do it. Anyone want to stear me in the right direction? Thanks, shane -- :::Apple II forever!!:::GO BUCKS!:::Play Lacrosse!!:::Raging Bullwinkle!::: : Shane M . Zatezalo - CIS OSU: i-net> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu : : root@tap.colum.fnet.org : NeXTMail> shane@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu : :GS::: call T.A.P. a Futurenet BBS 614-297-7031 16.8k DS HST 425 MEGS ::GS:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) Subject: NeXT monitor cable Message-ID: <1993May3.195155.1762@cs.wm.edu> Sender: news@cs.wm.edu (News System) Organization: The College of William and Mary Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 19:51:55 GMT I have recently acquired a NeXTstation Turbo B/W with ADB, and I seem to be unable to use the 3mt monitor cable that used to work with my old 25MhZ NeXTstation. Specifically, the mouse moves but the keystrokes are not recognized. Has anybody experienced the same, or am I dreaming? I assume it has to do with the ADB signals not being carried properly by the old cable... -- Gianfranco Ciardo
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Sun tape and Disk units on a NeXT Date: 3 May 1993 20:57:27 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s40vnINN8fd@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi, Has anyone had any experience of conecting Sun tape and disk drives to a next? In particular I'm thinking about one of there new DAT drives and was interested in whether I will have any problems connecting it to my NeXT. Thanks john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wave@media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: want to add ADB to my turbo color--have you done it? help! In-Reply-To: thompson@netcom.com's message of Mon, 3 May 1993 02:28:03 GMT Message-ID: <WAVE.93May3161807@media-lab.media.mit.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory References: <thompsonC6FIus.5yB@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 21:18:07 GMT In article <thompsonC6FIus.5yB@netcom.com> thompson@netcom.com writes: If anyone out there has successfully gotten their turbo color non-ADB switched to an ADB version (by getting the new roms, monitor, keyboard, etc, from NeXT), I would like to hear from you. My current (Fimi) monitor is dying, and I don't want another--I want the Sony. Please help me out by letting me know what you had to go through to get it changed. I want to have black hardware that LASTS and doesn't just go to hell. Many people here at the Media Lab use Sony monitors (and Ikegami) with their non-ADB color slabs and Turbos. You just need the right connector - I've had no problem hooking up high-rez RGB (i.e. your basic 19" 1280x1024 workstation monitor) from SGI, HP, DEC, Kubota, Stardent, Thinking Machines, etc. up to the NeXT. In other words, if you just want another monitor, and not necesarily the NeXT Sony, you can. -- --> Michael B. Johnson --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> (617) 253-0663 -- wave@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: sbackus@ren.eecs.wsu.edu (Samuel Backus - EE) Subject: Macintosh PS on a NeXT Message-ID: <1993May3.213114.26315@serval.net.wsu.edu> Keywords: Postscript Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Date: Mon, 3 May 93 21:31:14 GMT I am using a Macintosh IIsi and want to print to my school's NeXTstation computer printers. I also want to do this using Postscript. I am running MSWord 4.0D under system 7.0.1 and the NeXT machines are running under NeXT Step 2.1. I also have access to machines running NeXT Step 3.0. I also want to be able to transfer the files by disk, as my Mac is not connected to the school's NeXT computers. Any help would be appreciated. Please e-mail replys to my address below as I do not subscribe to this group. Sam <sbackus@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu>
From: tg2@prism.gatech.EDU (T. Govindaraj) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Wacom tablet on tty port B messes up SLIP/getty Summary: Tablet driver messes up the serial lines. How do I fix it? Keywords: digitizer, tablet, Wacom, SLIP Message-ID: <95917@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 4 May 93 00:23:06 GMT Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology I have been running SLIP (Louis Mamakos's free version) happily on my cube for a couple of months on a SupraFAX v.32bis modem. I also use DFax on my modem. DFax and Mamakos's SLIP are two of the best products I have used on any computer. Everything was fine until I bought an electrostatic Wacom (421E) tablet. I like the tablet too, except for a rather serious problem. After I use the tablet, it messes up the serial ports. NeXT has a driver for the tablets. I am supposed to connect the tablet to the serial port B, which is what I did. However, it interferes with Serial port A to which the modem is connected. The tablet driver has no business interfering with the serial port to which it is NOT connected. When this happens, i.e., after I use the tablet, I cannot make a SLIP connection (nor a cu connection) until I reboot the machine and leave the tablet off. If I don' reboot, I get the following: Apr 25 09:24:29 malgudi mach: Tablet driver: tablet attached Apr 25 09:24:40 malgudi tcldiald[118]: failed read (-1 bytes) from "/dev/dialup0", No such device Apr 25 09:24:54 malgudi last message repeated 3315 times I sent mail to the DFax people and received prompt response with some suggestions. From the mail I received from Bruce Gingery of TotSysSoft it was clear that the tablet driver is at fault. Has anyone else encountered this problem? If you did, how did you fix it? I guess I could ask NeXT for help, but I don't know whom to ask. (I will find out from the local NeXT person, if I don't get any suggestions from the NeXT.) I guess NeXT would help me, since I have been NeXT fan (and continue to be) from the very beginning. In fact, I helped set up SLIP connections for the IEEE International Conference on Robotics and Automation that is currently meeting in Atlanta with NeXT machines from our lab, and from NeXT. I wanted to show off NeXT (and Mamakos's SLIP)! :-) If you do offer me suggestions, please don't make them too technical! I am just a dumb engineering professor (from the top-ranked industrial and manufacturing) engineering program in the US. :-) Thank you very much. govind -- T. Govindaraj +1 404 894 3873 tg@chmsr.gatech.edu,NeXTmail welcome. Member, League for Programming Freedom (write lpf@uunet.uu.net) School of Industrial and Systems Engineering, Georgia Institute of Technology 765 Ferst Drive, ISyE-0205, Atlanta, GA 30332-0205.
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Hardware becoming soft (rubber gasket on mouse) Message-ID: <HARDY.93May3200517@golem.ps.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA Date: 4 May 93 03:05:21 GMT Has anyone else had the rubber ring around the NeXTMouse become soft and flaky? Maybe it is Southern California smog, or my "greasy fingers" but the sof rubber ring separating the upper fromthe lower half of the mouse has become rough and crumbly. Any remedies? Where can one order a replacement? -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: Apple CD300 and NeXTSTEP 3.0 Message-ID: <HARDY.93May3200816@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu's message of Mon, 26 Apr 1993 20:03:18 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA References: <aw553kc@rpi.edu> Date: 4 May 93 03:08:19 GMT Same is true for the HP CD-ROM which is faster than the NeXT's. On the other hand, I have mounted the NeXT CD-ROM on the HP-box without problems (except browsing with LaserRom-UX is very slow). xcd works fine (that is the X-music cd-player). -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Sun HD on a NeXT Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 23:14:43 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Distribution: world Message-ID: <kftRyXe00WB6QsDBpE@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1s3tkh$7bk@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.misc: 3-May-93 Sun HD on a NeXT by Shane M Zatezalo@magnus. > So I figured I'd use the drive on the NeXT here. > I plugged it in. Powered it up, and was in the monitor to watch the boot > process. > It came up as "generic scsi at sg0 at sc0 target 7 lun 7 That's not the hard drive, that's the SCSI controller chip inside the NeXT. You should make sure that you've set the SCSI target number on the drive so that it doesn't conflict with the drive(s) currently on the NeXT. Don't set it to 0 or the NeXT will try to boot of the Sun drive. I'm surprised that the WorkSpace didn't ask you something like "Hard drive <xyz> is not readable; do you wish to format it?" > I would have thought that the cpu would have known the drive was a seagate) > Anyway, I cannot figure out what to do now. > > If I try to do "/usr/etc/sdform /dev/sg0, I get: > > peach# /usr/etc/sdform /dev/sg0 > Request Sense command failed > ioctl(SDIOCSRQ): Permission denied Be happy this failed. You could have caused problems if the SCSI controller chip actually tried to do something.... > I found a few programs called "SCSI tools" on a ftp site, so I tried those: > > peach# /RemoteSpace/PeanutSpace/Shane/scsitools/inquire > -t 1 -l 0 "QUANTUM /LP105S 910109405/2.8 /" typ=0 dev=0 ans=2 fmt=1 > -t 5 -l 0 "SEAGATE /ST1480 SUN0424/5826/" typ=0 dev=0 ans=2 fmt=2 > > > So it knows the drive /is/ there. (You can even see the SUN0424 there, > I'm not sure whether that's good or bad) This is good; at least the drive is responding to SCSI requests. > If I try to format the drive through disk, I get: > > peach# /etc/disk -i /dev/sg0 > get info: Invalid argument Try "/usr/etc/disk /dev/rsdxa", where x is the device number of the Sun disk. It's probably 1, unless you already have more than one drive on your NeXT. If this works, you can edit the label, initialize the disk, and so forth from within the disk utility. You can then use newfs to actually create a filesystem on the disk; but the WorkSpace should be able to do that for you automatically. -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
From: treed@bmt.gun.com (Timothy Reed) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Dove FAX modem for NS/FIP? Date: 4 May 1993 00:29:41 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <199305040521.AA03208@friday> Hi, I'm just getting started on my 486 box, and would like to put a fax modem on. I have a spare Dove modem that might do right, but need the drivers. Does anyone know of NS/486 software that supports the Dove hardware? Thanks, Tim Reed --- Tim Reed, Black Market Technologies Voice: +1 718 522-5090 E-mail: treed@bmt.gun.com Co-founder/director, Gotham Users of NeXT, Inc. (GUN) "Written documentation is an admission of failure."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT > DAT interface Message-ID: <SCOTT.93May3115245@nic.gac.edu> From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) Date: 3 May 93 11:52:45 References: <wfsKLke00iUyI4ndUH@andrew.cmu.edu> Organization: Is a sign of weakness In-reply-to: Martin David Frankel's message of Fri, 30 Apr 1993 13:46:24 -0400 In article <wfsKLke00iUyI4ndUH@andrew.cmu.edu>, Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 29-Apr-93 > Re: NeXT > DAT interface by Brian Cuthie@systemix.co >> 5) WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY !? Are you really going to spend a couple of months >> engineering a solution to this problem when you can buy a perfectly >> good DAT drive for under $1K ??? Get real. >> >> I'm sure I could come up with another 50 or so reasons, but I think #5 sums >> it up nicely. Buy a 4mm DATA DAT drive. They're cheap, reliable and >> have a nicer feature set than any other tape drive made. > >I've generally agreed with most of what I've read on this thread. >But this response really kinda ticks me off. It is obvious that it >has been too long since this guy has been a college student on a >tight budget. Under $1k may be chicken feed to some, but it is >currently about a third of my total annual income. Well, I guess a good point to make is that if a person is capable of developing connectors and writing drivers to successfully operate an audio DAT drive via the NeXT DSP interface with anything approaching the functionality of a data DAT drive, then they can indeed make more than $1k in a couple months. In fact, they can probably make $1k in less than a month. It might take them all of a week. People who write decent device drivers can make decent money. >Hence, spending *less* than that to get *both* audio and data >capabilities is worth a *lot* of time and inconvenience getting it >working. Obviously I'm not going to be doing daily incremental >backups with this. I just want something that will work. Instead >of backing up once every six months when I can convince a friend >to lend me a drive, I'd like to back up once every few weeks. >Instead of NO data reliability, I'd like maybe 95% data reliability. Imperfect reliablility in a backup is worth less than no backup at all. You might as well just cobble up fake connectors and do your backup to /dev/null. The first (and last) time you need to restore the data, just call that your 5% unreliability and forget about it. [The point there, for those who didn't see it, is that if you are forced to do a restore from backup more than once in a great long period, then you are probably doing something wrong. I know people who do weekly backups and have _never_ done a restore, except to verify that their backup media and backup programs work.] >I don't need 99.9999%; I'm not working for the defense department >or anything. If your data isn't worth backing up _reliably_, is it worth backing up at all? >Not to mention, there are other side benefits to the "couple of >months [spent] engineering a solution", among them, direct digital >recording of audio from the NeXT DSP port, and full 16 bit A-to-D >capabilities for the NeXT. That alone costs $300 or more from other >sources. This is a separate job entirely. Recording sound to the DAT would probably be a two week job, probably less. In that case, you're talking about recording digital audio data from an output designed for that use to a recorder designed for that use. You don't need to write a device-driver per se, and can snarf DSP code from a variety of places to do your work for you. Developing an audio interface would be useful preliminary experience, but would _not_ put backup capabilities in your lap by any means. [Before you respond "Ah, you don't remember what it's like to be on a tight budget", I invite you to stop by and look at the empty place I have reserved on my desk for a DAT drive. That doesn't mean I want to develop an interface to do backups on my answering machine, though!] Later, -- scott hess <shess@ssesco.com> <To the BatCube, Robin> 12901 Upton Avenue South, #326 Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Fax Modem Recommendation Message-ID: <1993May4.113247.24265@alf.uib.no> Date: 4 May 93 11:32:47 GMT References: <1993Apr22.195053.21130@kth.se> Organization: University of Bergen, Norway mike@stacken.kth.se (Mike Henry) writes: : In article <1993Apr21.220316.166195@lexmark.com> songer@lexmark.com (Christopher Songer) writes: : > Can anyone recommend a good Fax modem for use with either : >a ColorStation or 25Mhz 040 Cube? Prime criteria are: cost and : >ease of data / fax send use. Fax receiving is not so important. : : Why of course! This is what you should get: a SupraFAX Modem V.32bis and DFax. : After that you can do everything you can think of, communication wise, that is : (except voicemail, *yet*). I use my combo everyday and depend on it to do it : right. The Supra is inexpensive too, shouldn't cost you more than about $300. : : I'm not affiliated with the companies that make these products. I'm just a : very satisfied customer. Or you could get the ZyXEL, which I own and am very happy with. And have voicemail _now_. It can be had for about $270 on the street (shop around), and you'll need NXFax (don't recall the price). A bundle is available, but costs $600. : : >-Chris : : -Mike : -- : Mike Henry INET : mike@stacken.kth.se /// : August Wahlstromsv. 4 /// : S-182 31 Danderyd \\\/// : SWEDEN TEL : +46 8 755-8687 \XX/ Regards, Thor -- Thor Legvold | This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known... University of Bergen | - Jim Morrison, The Doors
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) Subject: Re: NeXT monitor cable Message-ID: <1993May4.080758.20245@elysia.fdn.org> Keywords: cable monitor Sender: luis@elysia.fdn.org Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. References: <1993May3.195155.1762@cs.wm.edu> Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 08:07:58 GMT In article <1993May3.195155.1762@cs.wm.edu> ciardo@cs.wm.edu (Gianfranco Ciardo) writes: > I have recently acquired a NeXTstation Turbo B/W with ADB, > and I seem to be unable to use the 3mt monitor cable that > used to work with my old 25MhZ NeXTstation. Specifically, > the mouse moves but the keystrokes are not recognized. > > Has anybody experienced the same, or am I dreaming? > > I assume it has to do with the ADB signals not being carried > properly by the old cable... > > -- Gianfranco Ciardo Your not dreaming, you need to get the cable specific to the NeXTstationTurbo. -- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Ivan Vesely) Subject: Re: Hardware becoming soft (rubber gasket on mouse) Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 16:25:54 GMT Message-ID: <1993May4.162554.2420@julian.uwo.ca> References: <HARDY.93May3200517@golem.ps.uci.edu> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) In article <HARDY.93May3200517@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes: > Has anyone else had the rubber ring around the NeXTMouse become soft > and flaky? Maybe it is Southern California smog, or my "greasy > fingers" but the sof rubber ring separating the upper fromthe lower > half of the mouse has become rough and crumbly. > Any remedies? Where can one order a replacement? > Same here. Mine has gotten pretty disgusting after about two years of use. Rubberized materials have a habit of disintegrating this way when they are in contact with skin oils. Nothing you can do about it but get a new mouse. Good luck. I've decided to live with it. -- Ivan Vesely, Electrical Engineering and Medical Biophysics University of Western Ontario, vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: NS/FIP and Color Message-ID: <1993May4.132024.5008@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 13:20:24 GMT What is the greatest amount of color you can have on NS/FIP, and what configuration would you have to use to get it? In specific, is there 32 bit color out there? Thanks Wes Spears --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) Subject: Re: Hardware becoming soft (rubber gasket on mouse) Message-ID: <tlm.736540326@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <HARDY.93May3200517@golem.ps.uci.edu> <1993May4.162554.2420@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 18:32:06 GMT In <1993May4.162554.2420@julian.uwo.ca> vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Ivan Vesely) writes: >In article <HARDY.93May3200517@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu >(Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes: >> Has anyone else had the rubber ring around the NeXTMouse become soft >> and flaky? Maybe it is Southern California smog, or my "greasy >> fingers" but the sof rubber ring separating the upper fromthe lower >> half of the mouse has become rough and crumbly. >> Any remedies? Where can one order a replacement? >> >Same here. Mine has gotten pretty disgusting after about two years of use. >Rubberized materials have a habit of disintegrating this way when they are in >contact with skin oils. Nothing you can do about it but get a new mouse. Good >luck. I've decided to live with it. Mine too! At this point I expect a post from some Emacs zealot telling us how little you need to use the mouse if you would just switch to Emacs! (Erik?? Gisli??) But then, *Hardy* is an emacs guy and sounds like his gasket is much worse than mine (which is particularly worn down where my thumb always rests). If anyone knows where to get replacements (or, better yet, maybe someone has good suggestions for how to make one) could that person post? Perhaps a bunch of us could go in together and buy them in bulk? TLM
From: basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Hardware becoming soft (rubber gasket on mouse) Date: 4 May 1993 20:38:03 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1s6k7bINNl3h@news.u.washington.edu> References: <HARDY.93May3200517@golem.ps.uci.edu> <1993May4.162554.2420@julian.uwo.ca> <tlm.736540326@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: >thumb always rests). If anyone knows where to get replacements (or, better >yet, maybe someone has good suggestions for how to make one) could that person >post? Perhaps a bunch of us could go in together and buy them in bulk? Just go to an auto parts store or your favorite fetish shop and buy some sheet rubber. Disassemble the mouse, use the old gasket as a template, and cut out a new gasket. David Basiji UW Bioengineering
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: matt%mattcube@concert.net(Matthew M. Stecker) Subject: Re: Hardware becoming soft (rubber gasket on mouse) Message-ID: <1993May4.205735.1655@mattcube> Sender: matt@mattcube Organization: mSys Consulting. References: <tlm.736540326@scl1.al.iastate.edu> Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 20:57:35 GMT In article <tlm.736540326@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes: > In <1993May4.162554.2420@julian.uwo.ca> vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Ivan Vesely) writes: > > >In article <HARDY.93May3200517@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu > >(Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes: > >> Has anyone else had the rubber ring around the NeXTMouse become soft > >> and flaky? > >Same here. Mine has gotten pretty disgusting > > Mine too! I'd try to treat it with Armor-All a few times. Works wonders for dried-up rubber car trim. Occasionally, when I get really bored, I put it on everything rubber that I own, including the little rubber seal on the NeXT keyboard and mouse. Mine are still going fine after 4+ years of use. Careful though! Armor-All has a nasty habit of sometimes staining things that are not rubber. Apply it with a Q-Tip (or your favorite brand of 'cotton swab' :-), and you'll be in the clear. Matthew --
From: Martin David Frankel <mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT > DAT interface Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 17:45:02 -0400 Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <YftiDSu00iUy87ttQP@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <SCOTT.93May3115245@nic.gac.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 3-May-93 Re: NeXT > DAT interface by Scott Hess@nic.gac.edu > Well, I guess a good point to make is that if a person is capable > of developing connectors and writing drivers to successfully operate > an audio DAT drive via the NeXT DSP interface with anything approaching > the functionality of a data DAT drive, then they can indeed make > more than $1k in a couple months. In fact, they can probably make > $1k in less than a month. It might take them all of a week. People > who write decent device drivers can make decent money. 1) Sometimes such people are sophomores in college and wish to graduate before they start making tons o' dough. 2) Sometimes such people would view the entire process as a challenge and a learning experience (I *don't* know how to write device drivers but I wouldn't mind learning). I'm paying $20k a year here to learn less interesting things. > >Hence, spending *less* than that to get *both* audio and data > >capabilities is worth a *lot* of time and inconvenience getting it > >working. Obviously I'm not going to be doing daily incremental > >backups with this. I just want something that will work. Instead > >of backing up once every six months when I can convince a friend > >to lend me a drive, I'd like to back up once every few weeks. > >Instead of NO data reliability, I'd like maybe 95% data reliability. > > Imperfect reliablility in a backup is worth less than no backup at > all. You might as well just cobble up fake connectors and do your > backup to /dev/null. The first (and last) time you need to restore > the data, just call that your 5% unreliability and forget about > it. > > [The point there, for those who didn't see it, is that if you are > forced to do a restore from backup more than once in a great long > period, then you are probably doing something wrong. I know people > who do weekly backups and have _never_ done a restore, except to > verify that their backup media and backup programs work.] > > >I don't need 99.9999%; I'm not working for the defense department > >or anything. > > If your data isn't worth backing up _reliably_, is it worth backing > up at all? I could not possibly disagree with Scott's "logic" more. Lets say I value the data on my hard drive at $1000. That means that if my hard drive crashed, I'd pay $1000 for a 100% reliable backup tape. So, how much would I pay for a tape that has a 95% chance of having all my data on it, and a 5% chance of being blank? Something like $950, because I'm a risk-neutral person. If Scott really would pay $0 for such a tape, he's risk-averse to the point of stupidity. Now, if I can buy a 95% reliable system for $600 and a 99.999% reliable system for $1200, all other factors aside, which am I going to choose? Obviously, the $600 one. It all depends on how much you value your data, and how risk-averse you are. If someone valued their data at $1 million, they'd buy the 99.999% reliable system. And to take Scott's logic to the extreme, why bother backing up on any device? After all, none of them 100% reliable. When your hard drive fails, why not call that your 0.0000001% unreliability and forget about it? I don't see how this is qualitatively different. I've simplified some things here, but I think I've communicated my basic point. > >Not to mention, there are other side benefits to the "couple of > >months [spent] engineering a solution", among them, direct digital > >recording of audio from the NeXT DSP port, and full 16 bit A-to-D > >capabilities for the NeXT. That alone costs $300 or more from other > >sources. > > This is a separate job entirely. Recording sound to the DAT would > probably be a two week job, probably less. In that case, you're > talking about recording digital audio data from an output designed > for that use to a recorder designed for that use. You don't need > to write a device-driver per se, and can snarf DSP code from a > variety of places to do your work for you. Developing an audio > interface would be useful preliminary experience, but would _not_ > put backup capabilities in your lap by any means. The only differences between an audio-only and an audio/data backup solution would be error correction algorithms and software to get your hard drive data into and out of the DSP port. I can think of at least one or two ways to do the latter quickly and easily without a device driver. They ain't fancy but they work. Obviously, I'm not looking for an elegant solution. -- Martin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: Hardware becoming soft (rubber gasket on mouse) Message-ID: <C6Iwtt.LB4@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <HARDY.93May3200517@golem.ps.uci.edu> <1993May4.162554.2420@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 22:22:41 GMT In <1993May4.162554.2420@julian.uwo.ca> vesely@next.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Ivan Vesely) writes: >> >Same here. Mine has gotten pretty disgusting after about two years of use. >Rubberized materials have a habit of disintegrating this way when they are in >contact with skin oils. Nothing you can do about it but get a new mouse. Good >luck. I've decided to live with it. One idea that I was going to try was to get black silicone from the hardare shop and use a brush to paint a thin layer over the surface. I would suggest removing the gasket from the mouse before doing this. I would think that this would be a sufficient barrier between hand and black goo. If anyone tries this let us know how it works. It's an idea that I never really got around to doing. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca NeXT Computer, Inc. mtacchi@NeXT.COM (NeXT Mail Welcome) "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: n9240566@animal.cc.wwu.edu (Leif E. Harrison) Subject: '030 Cube modem recommendations Message-ID: <n9240566.736557575@animal> Summary: Seeking recommendations for modem for 68030 NeXT Cube Keywords: modem, NeXT Cube, 68030 Sender: news@henson.cc.wwu.edu (USENET-WWU) Organization: Western Washington University Date: 4 May 93 23:19:35 GMT I'm looking to buy a modem for my Cube. That's the easy part. The tricky part is that I'm not sure about what to buy. I remember something about the '030 NeXT not supporting hardware flow-control. Does this make a 14.4k modem overkill? Would it be best to buy a 9600 or 2400? Any specific brand to avoid? Any particular brands that work particularly well? Thanks for any and all input!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: '030 Cube modem recommendations Message-ID: <C6J4Lv.5B5@world.std.com> Summary: shameless plug Keywords: modem, NeXT Cube, 68030 Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <n9240566.736557575@animal> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 01:10:41 GMT In article <n9240566.736557575@animal> n9240566@animal.cc.wwu.edu (Leif E. Harrison) writes: > I'm looking to buy a modem for my Cube. That's the easy part. The >tricky part is that I'm not sure about what to buy. I remember something >about the '030 NeXT not supporting hardware flow-control. Does this make >a 14.4k modem overkill? Would it be best to buy a 9600 or 2400? Any specific >brand to avoid? Any particular brands that work particularly well? > Thanks for any and all input! > Yrrid, my company, sells TTYDSP which converts the DSP port into a serial port which will go as high as 128000 baud and also does HW flow control. I use a Telebit T3000 locked at 38400 on my '030, like a hot knife going thru butter. Something to consider whenever purchasing a modem for a NeXT. For more info, send email to yrrid@world.std.com -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com ::
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: Re: Hardware becoming soft (rubber gasket on mouse) Message-ID: <1993May5.012141.4758@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <HARDY.93May3200517@golem.ps.uci.edu> Date: Wed, 5 May 93 01:21:41 GMT In article <HARDY.93May3200517@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes: > Has anyone else had the rubber ring around the NeXTMouse become soft > and flaky? Maybe it is Southern California smog, or my "greasy > fingers" but the sof rubber ring separating the upper fromthe lower > half of the mouse has become rough and crumbly. > Any remedies? Where can one order a replacement? > > > > -- > Hardy > ----- > Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine > e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET > !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!! We are having trouble with some form of "guck" being deposited on the mouse pads, and ultimately on the wheel so that we have to clean the mice very often. At first I thought it was pizza and all that, but I am beginning to suspect that it is the glue that holds the grey plastic strip underneath in place. These strips are being worh down, and... Any tips how to help this? Duct tape? -- Magnus Nordborg Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Multi-Initiator SCSI for NeXT/Intel with DTP2012/Macintosh Message-ID: <C6L01q.GzC@news.otago.ac.nz> From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 01:27:25 GMT Sender: usenet@news.otago.ac.nz (News stuff) Organization: University of Otago Hi there, I was wondering if it is possible to run the SCSI bus off PC running NeXTSTEP/Intel in multi-initator mode. Since the DPT2012 SCSI controller has a configurable host ID, it should be able to run multi-initiator. I would like to be able to do this at different times with a NeXT and a Macintosh. Thanks, Alastair -- ===================================================================== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 University of Otago, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 Department of Computer Science, | e-mail athomson@otago.ac.nz P.O. Box 56 | NeXTmail Welcome Dunedin | New Zealand | "God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life" John 3:16, paraphrase. =====================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tfs@gravity.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon) Subject: Re: Wacom tablet on tty port B messes up SLIP/getty Message-ID: <1993May5.060536.11263@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Summary: try killing the driver Keywords: digitizer, tablet, Wacom, SLIP Sender: usenet@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (usenet administrator) Organization: C.S.I. @ George Mason University, fairfax Va. References: <95917@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 06:05:36 GMT Check to see how the tablet driver is being loaded, chances are that it has a Kernal Loadable Module that you will have to unload, and it may have a daemon as well, or it may only be daemonized. However ther is a good chance that if you unload the driver that you should be able to run SLIP therafter. If this works you can set up a script to do it & mannualy run /bin/login in a terminal window to run it. (The kl utilities want you to actually BE root to use them it seems) If it is only run by a daemon killing it will be sufficent. Check /etc/kernloader.conf to see if there is a klm for the tablet, and/or boot your next in "verbose" mode to see how the tablet establishes itself. Tim Scanlon -- tfs@gravity.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: portable info? Message-ID: <1993May4.143712.1527@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993May3.181347.7244@purelogic.cs.uwlax.edu> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 14:37:12 GMT In article <1993May3.181347.7244@purelogic.cs.uwlax.edu> riley@nextchair.uwlax.edu (David Riley) writes: > I'm looking for information about purchasing a portable NeXTSTEP machine. > I've seen the "compatibility" listing of Compaq and Toshiba machines; does > anyone know of others? Has anybody tried an NS portable? I've seen NS running on the NEC Versa (the only notebook with local bus graphics) and it seems better than the current Toshiba or Compaq. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Simms: Where to buy? Message-ID: <1993May4.210447.2253@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 21:04:47 GMT Sender: clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com Organization: GiantLeap Software Someone recently posted that they got NeXT simms for $115. Could that somone please drop me a line with the name & phone number of the vendor? Thanks, Charles. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 363-0887 (713) 363-0936 (fax)
From: zhao@nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: PC for NS486 Date: 5 May 93 09:47:38 Organization: Computing Research Lab Message-ID: <ZHAO.93May5094738@pylos.nmsu.edu> Hello, Netters: I am planning to buy a new PC-486 for running NeXTSTEP-486 and WINDOWS, sometimes you have to :-(. I want to find out what is the requirement for a 486 to run NS nicely. I have the specification sheet of NEC Image 466 in front of me. It has CPU: intel 486 DX2 66MHz BUS: ISA/16-bit RAM: 16MB SIMM upgrade kit (optional) Cache: 8KB integrated, 256KB 20ns SRAM module (optional) ROM: 128KB flash memory Image Video: 32-bit local bus video operating at 33MHz graphics accelerator(BitBLT), 24-bit true color RAMDAC, with 1MB of video memory Image Sync: automatically synchronized to the optimum verticle refresh rate of MultiSync FG series monitors OptiBus: maximized I/O throughout utilizing NEC fast bus and block mode PIO technology Integrated SCSI: integrated SCSI host adapter providing connectivity for a wide range of SCSI devices Network Ready: 16-bit Bus mastering 10BaseT Ethernet adapter with dedicated connector and port HDD: Third height(1") 3.5" IDE; 340 MB 13ms FDD: 3.5" 1.44MB Drive Bays: two 5.25" front accessible slots two 3.5" internal hard drive bays Option Slots: four 8/16-bit ISA Interface: two serial(RS-232C), one parallel, VGA disply Power Supply: 110 watt I hope this is enough for NS486. Oh, yap, probably, I need something for audio. What is your suggestion? Regards, ZiZi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) Subject: Re: Floppy Drives for NS/I Message-ID: <1993May5.171319.3985@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Apr30.131919.685@hot.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 17:13:19 GMT In article <1993Apr30.131919.685@hot.com> Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com writes: > Is there a floppy drive for PCs running NS/FIP that handle 2.88MB > diskettes, can sense if the disk is inserted and have software > controllable eject? In other words, a drive that has the same > feature set as the one in NeXT computers. > Were these NeXT floppy drives made specifically for the NeXT? 2.88 MB drives have been around for some time now. I'd have thought that PC manufacturers would have jumped on them and stuffed them into PCs already. > I think the answer is no - in which case, we should lobby hardware > manufacturers like NEC, Dell and Compaq to provide one standard or as > an option. I am willing to pay an extra $50-$100 for these options. > Here here!! I've gotten rather used to these nice floppy drives. I think they're great! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eugene Mah ----> eugene@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (NeXT-Mail) grad student/sys admin "How sweet to be a Cloud Department of Radiology Floating in the Blue University of Alberta Hospitals It makes him very proud Edmonton, Alberta, Canada To be a little cloud" Winnie the Pooh
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: Hardware becoming soft (rubber gasket on mouse) Message-ID: <HARDY.93May5140902@golem.ps.uci.edu> In-reply-to: matt%mattcube@concert.net's message of Tue, 4 May 1993 20:57:35 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA References: <tlm.736540326@scl1.al.iastate.edu> <1993May4.205735.1655@mattcube> Date: 5 May 93 21:09:07 GMT Unfortunately Armor-All does not do the trick once the gasket is gone. It took off some of the black sticky stuff, but still left it rough. Maybe we have to get our thumbs black in honor of the demise of black hardware :( . -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET !!!! NO NEXTMAIL TO THESE ADDRESSES, PLEASE !!!!!
From: cinabro@lns598.tn.cornell.edu (Dave Cinabro) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Low priced CD ROM readers? Date: 5 May 1993 14:44:41 -0400 Organization: Wilson Lab, Cornell U., Ithaca, NY 14853 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1s91up$3g2@lns284.TN.CORNELL.EDU> I have decided to take the CD-ROM plunge and notice that one can purchase portable CD-ROM readers for around $250 such as the NEC CDR-36 M. Are these things usable with the NeXT? If so what, if any, extra hardware is needed to make them work? What are the drawbacks of such a device? Thanks for any advice or information. If the response warrents I will post a summary. Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: anyone hear of a DPT 2012B EISA SCSI card? Message-ID: <May06.021224.35509@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Date: Thu, 06 May 1993 02:12:24 GMT References: <ZHAO.93May5094738@pylos.nmsu.edu> Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College NS/FIP supports 2 SCSI cards: Adaptec 1542B, an ISA card DPT 2012B, an EISA card. Now, I would LIKE to use the DPT, since it is an EISA (faster than ISA) and it supports a RAM cache (512K to 16M)... The problem is, no one I have managed to get ahold of has ever even heard of a DPT ("What? Don't you want the DTC 1309?" "NO, I said D-P-T not D-T-C" and so on). Argh... I *WILL* get this NS/FIP thing to fly even if it kills me! -nate /---------------------------+======================================\ | "I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know." | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu | \---------------------------+======================================/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mib@bio128.uni-bielefeld.de (Michael Bruewer) Subject: NS/FIP and video hardware Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: <C6LJ0B.2rt@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 08:16:58 GMT Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum Does NS/FIP support any video frame grabber cards offering similar funcionality like the NextDimension board? Michael Bruewer mib@bio128.uni-bielefeld.de
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Apple's LaserWriter Select 310 and NeXTSTEP? Date: 6 May 1993 23:06:44 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Message-ID: <1sc5m4$7sc@usenet.rpi.edu> Distribution: world Apple recently released a fairly inexpensive PostScript printer called the LaserWriter Select 310. It works on a Mac and on a Windows machine, and has serial and parallel ports. Does anyone know if this would work on a NeXT? (040 NeXTstation) Where does one find PPD files for new printers, btw? -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tfang@netcom.com (Tanming Fang) Subject: My tape drive didn't work Message-ID: <tfangC6Mp5A.EsF@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 23:27:09 GMT Hi, netters, I need some help. Q1: I couldn't get a tape drive, which worked for a SPARC, to work for my NeXTStationColor. The drive is the second and the last one in the scsi bus. See the log below. Q2: What does "Generic SCSI Device" mean in the log? Thank you in advance, Tanming Fang tfang@netcom.com ----------- message log ------------ May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: sc: MESSAGE REJECT RECEIVED May 5 17:53:27 akiro last message repeated 6 times May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: TEAC MT-2ST/N50 Rev RV A as st0 at sc0 target 6 lun 0 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: sc: MESSAGE REJECT RECEIVED May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: sc: MESSAGE REJECT RECEIVED May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: s1 (6,1): ERROR op:0x0 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x2 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: sc: MESSAGE REJECT RECEIVED May 5 17:53:27 akiro last message repeated 2 times May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: s1 (6,2): ERROR op:0x0 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x2 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: sc: MESSAGE REJECT RECEIVED May 5 17:53:27 akiro last message repeated 2 times May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: s1 (6,3): ERROR op:0x0 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x2 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: sc: MESSAGE REJECT RECEIVED May 5 17:53:27 akiro last message repeated 2 times May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: s1 (6,4): ERROR op:0x0 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x2 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: sc: MESSAGE REJECT RECEIVED May 5 17:53:27 akiro last message repeated 2 times May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: s1 (6,5): ERROR op:0x0 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x2 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: sc: MESSAGE REJECT RECEIVED May 5 17:53:27 akiro last message repeated 2 times May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: s1 (6,6): ERROR op:0x0 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x2 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: sc: MESSAGE REJECT RECEIVED May 5 17:53:27 akiro last message repeated 2 times May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: s1 (6,7): ERROR op:0x0 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x2 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: sc: MESSAGE REJECT RECEIVED May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: Generic SCSI Device as sg0 at sc0 target 7 lun 7 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: Generic SCSI Device as sg1 at sc0 target 7 lun 7 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: Generic SCSI Device as sg2 at sc0 target 7 lun 7 May 5 17:53:27 akiro mach: Generic SCSI Device as sg3 at sc0 target 7 lun 7 -----------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu (Doug Boyce) Subject: Re: Anyone heard of DPT 2012B SCSI card? (SUMMARY!!) Message-ID: <C6MqE8.EID@acsu.buffalo.edu> Keywords: NEXTSTEP, NeXTWORLD Expo, NeXT, SCaN, User Groups Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo References: <C6L1ry.396@csulb.edu> <May06.194918.94615@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 23:54:07 GMT In article <May06.194918.94615@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes: >Phone: (407) 830-5522 >Fax: (407) 260-5366 > > >bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca writes: >------------------------------ >The company is listed in the Merisel catalog as "DTP" ... give >them a call and see if they can find the card now! That did the >trick for us... > >Oh. And in case you're interested: We've found the Adaptec to >perform BETTER than the integrated SCSI controller on a Turbo >station (!), and not significantly worse than the DPT board. I >suspect you'd notice the difference if you were using another >high-bandwidth bus device (like if you were running the system >with an ISA ethernet controller, too, and using the system as a >server). Our testing goes against the idea that the Adaptec is only slightly worse than the DPT. On a quiet system I've done a disk /dev/rsd0a with the inputs of "0,200,200,200" with an Adaptec and gotten in the 930,000 bytes/sec range. Today we were able to get three times that with our EISA ATI/DPT system. And before you flame me I know that this is not a true benchmark, and that this is also a function function of drive performance. Doug -- Doug Boyce dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: anyone hear of a DPT 2012B EISA SCSI card? Message-ID: <L3P63B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Thu, 06 May 93 21:59:56 CDT References: <May06.021224.35509@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Organization: TCS Consulting Services ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes: > NS/FIP supports 2 SCSI cards: > > Adaptec 1542B, an ISA card > DPT 2012B, an EISA card. > > Now, I would LIKE to use the DPT, since it is an EISA (faster than ISA) and > it supports a RAM cache (512K to 16M)... > > The problem is, no one I have managed to get ahold of has ever even heard > of a DPT ("What? Don't you want the DTC 1309?" "NO, I said D-P-T not > D-T-C" and so on). > > Argh... I *WILL* get this NS/FIP thing to fly even if it kills me! > The DPT card outfitted with 4.5 megs ram will cost you about 900 bucks. The card alone goes for between 300 and 400. This is a very pricy outfit. Currently the makers of DPT offer a 50% try it first type of deal for a SINGLE unit. I've got the phone number somewhere--I'll try to find it unless someone else posts it. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS: NeXTSTEP-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Where to get a DPT 2012B card... FOUND A PLACE! Message-ID: <May07.034357.90284@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Date: Fri, 07 May 1993 03:43:57 GMT References: <C6L1ry.396@csulb.edu> <May06.194918.94615@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <C6MqE8.EID@acsu.buffalo.edu> Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College Keywords: NEXTSTEP, NeXTWORLD Expo, NeXT, SCaN, User Groups I found one (1) place that carries the card. Computer Discount Warehouse 1-800-326-4CDW (4239) There are actually two versions... DPT 2012B-91 $459 This card has the SCSI controller only, I am unsure of the cache size, but it's probably the 512K (base) expandable to 4MB DPT 2012B-95 $499 This card has the SCSI controller, but also has a Floppy drive controller, and the same cache (I assume) as the 2012B-91. If you know a place that has them for cheaper, I would appreciate being told, as, I am sure, would many other people. -nate /---------------------------+======================================\ | "I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know." | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu | \---------------------------+======================================/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: FIP Question Message-ID: <1993May6.105825.2212@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center Date: Thu, 6 May 93 10:58:25 GMT Does anyone know if the S3 video will be supported in the May release? Will VLB HD controllers be supported? Royal has an ESIA system with these controllers that comes to under 5000 with 32MB and a 17" monitor. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: prg@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Pete Green) Subject: Help wanted: Connecting DSP56ADCs to Next Message-ID: <1993May7.120701.15510@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Organization: Manchester Computing Centre Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 12:07:01 GMT We have two DSP56ADC (demo) boards and would like to connect them to the Next to use with a stereo sampling package. Can any please supply the necessary connections (from DSP56ADC interface pins) to the Next DSP port. Thanks in advance, Peter Green. -- Peter R. Green ------- Tel:+44 61 200 4738 ---- Fax:+44 61 200 4019 ----------- JANET: prg@uk.ac.mcc.nessie INTERNET: prg@nessie.mcc.ac.uk ----------------------- #include <std.disclaimers> ----------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: reid@utstat.toronto.edu (Nancy Reid) Subject: Internal floppy drive in monoslab Message-ID: <C6nusL.3Kz@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: U of Toronto Statistics Distribution: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 14:26:44 GMT The internal floppy drive in my monoslab has stopped working. Doesn't recognize an inserted disk at all; disk needs to be ejected using a paperclip. Is there a simple fix, or do I need to get it serviced? Thanks!
From: next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Where to get a DPT 2012B card... FOUND A PLACE! Keywords: NEXTSTEP, NeXTWORLD Expo, NeXT, SCaN, User Groups Message-ID: <3PN73B1w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 93 10:06:49 CDT References: <May07.034357.90284@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Organization: TCS Consulting Services ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes: > I found one (1) place that carries the card. > > Computer Discount Warehouse > 1-800-326-4CDW (4239) > > There are actually two versions... > > DPT 2012B-91 $459 > This card has the SCSI controller only, I am unsure of the cache size, > but it's probably the 512K (base) expandable to 4MB > > DPT 2012B-95 $499 > This card has the SCSI controller, but also has a Floppy drive controller, > and the same cache (I assume) as the 2012B-91. > I hate to burst your bubble..when I first looked into the DPT controller, the controller was one price, the 512k and cache was an extra add on, and the 4 megs was an additional add on. All in all the price came to over 900 dollars for 4.5 meg caching controller with floppy. And I believe that was the one time 50% off special that they were offering. (50% off list that is). The adaptec is quite good, and I'll be looking forward to when adaptec's EISA controller is supported, or a local bus controller. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS: NeXTSTEP-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help! - Dead Monochrome Monitor Message-ID: <1993May7.124643.14972@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: 7 May 93 12:46:43 EDT Organization: Univ of Miami IR I have two NeXTs ethernetted together - A color station as the server and a 030 cube. The monochrome monitor on the cube is dead! I boot up the cube and everything works fine - I can rlogin from the station. But, the monitor seems to be totally dead. It isn't heating up or anything. I know that it is nearly impossible to diagnose hardward from afar but is there any obvious thing to look for? I can't even find a fuse on either the monitor or cube - even opening them both up. Lots of thanks in advance for any help. Tom Herbert
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Additional Dead Monitor Comment Message-ID: <1993May7.125659.14973@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: 7 May 93 12:56:59 EDT Organization: Univ of Miami IR Just one more comment on my last post about the dead monitor. I THINK it is not heating up. I now feel a little warmth, maybe, as I leave it on. But, brightness is ZERO. Is there a way to check or modify brightness settings from a remote login? Tom Herbert therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.porogrammer From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish) Subject: Are the Announcements coming through? Message-ID: <1993May7.181449.2278@digifix.com> Sender: sanguish@digifix.com Organization: Digital Fix Development Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 18:14:49 GMT Hi All... I wanted to make sure that the postings to comp.sys.next.announce are making it out into the world. Please let me know if they are. There have been about 5 or six in the last day or two. Please send replies to sanguish@digifix.com BTW, the AUTO-REPLY that lets you know that your submission has arrived at my site is now active. If there are any technical problems with it, please let me know. -- - Scott Anguish - sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail) next-announce@digifix.com (comp.sys.next.announce submissions)
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Solution and Question about Dead NeXT Monitor Message-ID: <1993May7.151048.14979@umiami.ir.miami.edu> Date: 7 May 93 15:10:48 EDT Organization: Univ of Miami IR Well, I found that our university has one other old mono NeXTcube besides the one which I have with the dead monitor. I swapped monitors and the problem is with the monitor. So, I now have two additional questions - 1) Any suggestions on getting the monitor fixed (I am in Miami Florida.)? Is NeXT service the way to go or are there 3rd party people who do this? 1a) (Actually, three questions) - Can one use other monitors on the mono cube? 2) If we make an offer to the other department for the computer to be transferred to our department - How much is a cube worth: 8MB RAM, 40MB Swapdisk, questionable optical - probably does not work (cleaning), mono monitor, keyboard, mouse. No original optical cartridge. This is the early model without a built in microphone. I have no idea how much this is worth - $1K, $200, 2K, ???? Any comments mailed to me at therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu will be welcome. Thanks! Tom Herbert Department of Biology University of Miami
From: next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,,comp.sys.next.misc,,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: More hardware for NS/i from May. Message-ID: <c7e83B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 93 19:59:47 CDT Organization: TCS Consulting Services I spoke with some people at next and have some information on supported hardware for the release. There is probably more, but this is what I got in just a couple of minutes. SCSI Controllers: Adaptec 1540/42B (ISA) Adaptec 1540/42C (ISA) DPT 2012 series (EISA) Bus Logic 747 (EISA) Network Cards Intel Ether Express SMC Ether Elite 3com 509 The 3com will work, but requires some special configuration of NEXTSTEP. The others work much better. The Intel Ether Express is the card of choice it appears. It has a larger buffer and gives better performance than the others. The SMC is right up there with the Intel, but it has a slightly smaller buffer and that is just enough to give the Intel the advantage. The 3com is actually a faster card, but because of its small buffer, some configuration is needed. Remember the advice about getting EISA for sound? Here's why. The only supported card right now is the Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum 16. The weaknesses of the ISA bus cause some problems with the card under NS. The clincher is that NT has the exact same problem. It's the ISA bus's fault that causes it. The EISA bus handles the interupts much better. The DeviceDriver Kit is on the developer's CD-ROM, but there are not examples. The examples and such are expected to be out around June to August sometime. The person admitted that until the examples, it probably will be difficult to produce effective drivers. That's it about now.. Greg Youngblood ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS: NeXTSTEP-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: alt.cd-rom,comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Toshiba Cd-rom (nearing summary) In-Reply-To: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu's message of 6 May 93 17:42:30 GMT To: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93May7233900@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <khan0095.736710150@nova> Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 03:39:00 GMT In article <khan0095.736710150@nova> khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: 2.) i have recived NO complaints about these drives. At 200ms access, 300 kb/sec data transfer, these drives are FAST. (At least for today, who knows what tomorrow will bring). This is amazing as Computer people who know their stuff can be pretty sturdy when it comes to what not to buy. Actually according to the technical documentation, the <200ms and the transfer rate can be set to 330 kByte/sec. One other advantage of the Toshiba 3401 over almost any other drive on the market is that it can transmit the contents of audio CDs digitally over the SCSI bus where the host computer can then do whatever it wants with the information. (As I can attest to with the fact that even as I type this the Concerto for two Harpsichords in C directly off a CD is playing over the speakers of my NeXT). Carl Edman
From: mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Apple's LaserWriter Select 310 and NeXTSTEP? Date: 7 May 93 18:41:10 GMT Message-ID: <mfausett.736800070@kirin> References: <1sc5m4$7sc@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: >Apple recently released a fairly inexpensive PostScript printer called the >LaserWriter Select 310. It works on a Mac and on a Windows machine, and has >serial and parallel ports. ... Isn't this actually a TrueType printer? Or am I all wet again... mf
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: Re: NS/FIP and video hardware Message-ID: <5NADBY5K@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Organization: GWDG, Goettingen References: <C6LJ0B.2rt@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 16:15:49 GMT Michael Bruewer (mib@bio128.uni-bielefeld.de) wrote: : Does NS/FIP support any video frame grabber cards offering similar funcionality : like the NextDimension board? : Michael Bruewer Yes - there will be s.th. like that (or better:already is). The ScreenMachine II from FAST Electonic was ported to NS/FIP by a company called interpersonal-computing. They demoed it on CeBIT in Hannover. It's a true color overlay video board. In contrast to the ND its also possible to scale the video to full screen or very small windows (you can even have your video input running in an icon). Some video effects will also be possible and an API will be available with much more functionality than the NXLiveVideo Class. It will also be shown on the NEXPO. Announcements willalso be made around that time. Pricing will be probably < $2000. It should be possible to get more info at info@interpc.de. Hope this helps Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-3400 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095
From: Roland Telfeyan <roland@gomidas.mi.org> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HELP! My optical drive does not read my optical disk anymore ... Date: 9 May 1993 05:48:31 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1si5vf$iqn@zip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <1rd57b$dnj@menudo.uh.edu> ftp.uu.net:/systems/next/docs/dust_docs.tar.Z is the file for you! Roland
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (captain) Subject: ScreenMachine II Message-ID: <em003B1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Sun, 9 May 1993 14:52:37 GMT Howdy, YES! This is the sort of information I have been hoping for. As a current ND owner, I have been calling places in Video magazines that offer Video boards for the PC world, but really haven't come across anything yet. Hopefully, they will be able to send some information back to me. Later! - C P.S. Thanks for posting that, Meinrad! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Jim_Brownfield@radical.com (Jim Brownfield) Subject: Re: HELP! My optical drive does not read my optical disk anymore ... Message-ID: <1993May9.203723.10338@Radical.Com> Sender: jbrow@Radical.Com Organization: Radical System Solutions, Inc. References: <1si5vf$iqn@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Date: Sun, 9 May 1993 20:37:23 GMT Roland Telfeyan <roland@gomidas.mi.org> writes > ftp.uu.net:/systems/next/docs/dust_docs.tar.Z is the file for you! > > Roland What is this? Does it exist somewhere where there is a mail server (for us guys who don't have direct internet access)? I also have an optical disk drive that is having problems. -- Jim Brownfield (Jim_Brownfield@Radical.Com) NeXTmail accepted Radical System Solutions, Inc. rad i cal \'rad-i-kel\ n -- a basic principle: FOUNDATION
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brill@sybase.com Subject: Ethernet on NS/FIP Message-ID: <yikesC6s6A8.8tq@netcom.com> Sender: yikes@netcom.com (Michael Brill) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Sun, 9 May 1993 22:25:20 GMT Could some kind soul email me the list of Ethernet cards that work with NS/FIP? Since I'm temporarily NeXT-less I cannot d/l the HW requirements. Thanks, ...Michael Brill (brill@sybase.com) -- ----
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (captain) Subject: Something similar to NewTek Video Toaster under NeXTSTEP? Message-ID: <6Fya4B2w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Sun, 9 May 1993 23:48:52 GMT Howdy, What can I say about the NewTek Video Toaster that hasn't been said already? Like, WHOA! DUDE! etc.. Now this incredibly useful piece of hardware is on my "great desires" list, but I don't want to have to purchase an Amiga Computer. Why? They are great computers, but I am a die-hard NeXTSTEP user. I am aware that NewTek offers a system for network the NewTek Video Toaster from an Amiga to a Macintosh, but there is no similar situation for the PC<->Amiga. Anyhow, thats a bit of a lame system for using the Toaster on a Macintosh. Now this is my question.. Is anyone in the Developer Community going (or are currently) planning on supporting and writing device drivers for a Video Overlay board that works under NeXTSTEP and offers a wealth of tools (wipes, dissolves, luminance, etc, etc, etc...) to work the Video with? Now why don't I just ask for no more taxes, death to be cured and bananas to stay ripe forever? I had to ask anyhow. I am aware of one company offering a Video Overlay board under NeXTSTEP/Intel that will be at Expo. I haven't gotten any more information on it, but I was so enthralled I had to ask for more. If you know of anyone or a video overlay board that performs quite well, please e-mail "captain@arsenal.com" and I will summarize what the grapevine has to offer. Thanks! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yvonne@hcfw.com (Yvonne Fried) Subject: NEXTSTEP on laptops and networks Message-ID: <1993May10.010315.7236@HCFW.COM> Sender: yvonne@HCFW.COM Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 01:03:15 GMT I have a NeXT network (twisted pair/ethernet) in my medical office. If I buy an Intel based laptop which runs NEXTSTEP and it has an ethernet card in it, can I carry the laptop from examining room to examining room and plug the laptop into the ethernet connector in the wall? If I unplug myself from the network what happens? What happens when I plug myself back into the network? The laptop is still running, but what happens functionally? -- Yvonne Fried, M.D. 310-829-7969 ext 109 Voicemail Health Care for Women 310-829-0970 Fax 1245 16th St., Ste. 204 yvonne@hcfw.com Santa Monica, Ca. 90404 NeXTmail welcome! -- Yvonne Fried, M.D. 310-829-7969 ext 109 Voicemail Health Care for Women 310-829-0970 Fax 1245 16th St., Ste. 204 yvonne@hcfw.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Help wanted: Connecting DSP56ADCs to Next Message-ID: <C6rt3E.29H@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993May7.120701.15510@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 9 May 1993 17:40:26 GMT In article <1993May7.120701.15510@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> prg@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Pete Green) writes: > We have two DSP56ADC (demo) boards and would like to connect them to > the Next to use with a stereo sampling package. Can any please supply > the necessary connections (from DSP56ADC interface pins) to the Next > DSP port. > > Thanks in advance, > > Peter Green. Check the Moto manual on the 56K. I'm not sure what the A/D converters you want to use look like interface-wise but when designing the interface to the NeXT here is one thing to remember. Even though the DSP uses the frame sync signal on the SSI port, the data that is gets is bit sync. This means that the bit clock has to be suppressed the second half of the frame since most A/D and AES/EBU devices expect to send data for 16 bits and zeros for 16 bits. With the NeXT this causes a problem since you will get one channel of data only. (This is not a 56K problem but a problem with the way NeXT decided it would configure the DSP with sndrecord.) Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: caam1010@servus11.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Matthias Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.porogrammer Subject: Re: Are the Announcements coming through? Date: 10 May 1993 14:43:15 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <1slpm3$pt8@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> To: decuac::"sanguish@digifix.com" Yes, the announcements are coming thru. At least I can read over here in Stuttgart, Germany! Greetings, Matthias -- Matthias Boehringer Inst. f. Anorg. Chemie Matthias.Boehringer@rus.uni-stuttgart.de Uni Stuttgart Pfaffenwaldring 55 no NeXTmail, please D 7000 Stuttgart 80
From: gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: How many users can I have? Date: 10 May 1993 16:05:37 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1slugh$eq4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> [ Article crossposted from comp.sys.next.sysadmin ] [ Author was Gary J LaPointe ] [ Posted on 10 May 1993 16:05:17 GMT ] How many users can I have connecting to a NeXT at once without the machine dragging down? I know this will vary by machine & memory but I don't know if 10 people on at once on a 12MB cube is too much or if I can go to 100? I know it will vary by howmany are logged on too, I just wanted some suggestions. Ballpark figures will do. If people mailed to me directly, I will summarize. Thanks, Gary ** Please reply to the below address, my newsreader goofs up the from field ** Gary J LaPointe gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu Michigan State University Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities -- Gary J LaPointe gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu Michigan State University Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities
From: gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How much memory do I have? Date: 10 May 1993 16:51:14 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1sm162$nqj@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <1slu72$eq4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Gary J LaPointe (gary@msu.edu) wrote: : : How can I tell how much memory I have in a NeXT cube? : (other than opening it?) : : I'd prefer to do it from csh since I can do that over the modem. : : I've looked up the amn pages with memory & ram, but no luck. Got it. Someone wrote and sid the system stores this in /usr/adm/messages on reboot! So grep memory /usr/adm/messages will list it for you! (Thanks Mark!) Gary -- Gary J LaPointe gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu Michigan State University Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities
From: gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: cmsg cancel <1slu72$eq4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Control: cancel <1slu72$eq4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Date: 10 May 1993 16:51:19 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1sm167$nqj@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Article cancelled from within tin v1.1 PL6
From: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How much memory do I have? Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 14:23:04 -0400 Organization: Senior, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Efvdq8G00YUoIVlIIp@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1slu72$eq4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.hardware: 10-May-93 How much memory do I have? by Gary J LaPointe@msu.edu > How can I tell how much memory I have in a NeXT cube? > (other than opening it?) > > I'd prefer to do it from csh since I can do that over the modem. Either "hostinfo" or looking through the file /private/adm/messages will serve.... -Chuck Charles William Swiger -- CMU...*crunch*! | 1. You can't fly. (Oops, Tom. :) ------------------------------------------+ 2. Cars are always real, even AMS & normal mail: infidel@cmu.edu | when they're not. Failing that: cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu | 3. Cops are not your friends. NeXTmail: chuck@mon.slip.andrew.cmu.edu | 4. Fire burns.
From: gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How many users can I have? Date: 10 May 1993 18:57:35 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: <1sm8iv$qdl@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> References: <1slugh$eq4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> I (gary@msu.edu) wrote: : How many users can I have connecting to a NeXT at once without the machine : dragging down? : : I know this will vary by machine & memory but I don't know if 10 people on : at once on a 12MB cube is too much or if I can go to 100? : : I know it will vary by how many are logged on too, I just wanted some : suggestions. Ballpark figures will do. : Someone asked me a few significant questions, so I thought I'd add them Most people will be doing mail & net news. Maybe telnetting & ftping and downloading, but mostly mail (mayber gopher too) Right now with 5 people telnetting in it's not bad as long as no one is logged in. By the way my machine has 16MB (not 12MB) it just got upgraded over lunch. If people mailed to me directly, I will summarize. Thanks, Gary ** Please reply to below address, my newsreader goofs up the from field ** -- Gary J LaPointe gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu Michigan State University Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities
From: shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How much memory do I have? Message-ID: <126119@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 10 May 93 18:29:11 GMT References: <1slu72$eq4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <1sm162$nqj@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: University of Pennsylvania >: How can I tell how much memory I have in a NeXT cube? >: (other than opening it?) >: >Got it. >Someone wrote and sid the system stores this in >/usr/adm/messages >on reboot! No need to sift through /usr/adm/messages. Just try /usr/bin/hostinfo, which gives you memory and many others .. Cheers, Shumon shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu
From: sanchezp@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How much memory do I have? Message-ID: <1993May10.213926.27519@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Date: 10 May 93 21:39:26 GMT References: <1slu72$eq4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <1sm162$nqj@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Sender: news@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu Organization: University of Arizona In article <1sm162$nqj@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu writes: >Gary J LaPointe (gary@msu.edu) wrote: >: >: How can I tell how much memory I have in a NeXT cube? >: (other than opening it?) >: >: I'd prefer to do it from csh since I can do that over the modem. >: >: I've looked up the amn pages with memory & ram, but no luck. > >Got it. >Someone wrote and sid the system stores this in >/usr/adm/messages >on reboot! > >So grep memory /usr/adm/messages >will list it for you! (Thanks Mark!) > >Gary >-- > >Gary J LaPointe >gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu >Michigan State University >Center For Integrative Studies, Arts & Humanities Or if you're on the console, bring up the workspace info panel under 3.0.
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How much memory do I have? Date: 10 May 1993 22:57:19 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1smmkf$rvi@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <126119@netnews.upenn.edu> shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) writes: > >: How can I tell how much memory I have in a NeXT cube? > >: (other than opening it?) > > > Got it. > > Someone wrote and said the system stores this in > > /usr/adm/messages > > on reboot! > > No need to sift through /usr/adm/messages. > > Just try /usr/bin/hostinfo, which gives you memory and many others .. If all you really want to know is the amount of memory, you should be able to get that by bringing up the "Info/Info Panel..." menu item in the Workspace. Besides telling you things about the software you're running, it tells you the amount of memory and disk space that the machine has. However, that reference to /usr/bin/hostinfo may turn out to be very interesting to me, for reasons I'll explain in a separate article... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: /usr/bin/hostinfo on turbo NeXTstations -- 25Mhz ?!? Date: 10 May 1993 23:22:11 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1smo33$mc@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <126119@netnews.upenn.edu> shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) writes: [while answering a question from someone else:] > Just try /usr/bin/hostinfo, which gives you memory and many others .. I had not known about this command, so I thought I'd try it out on my new (to me...) NeXTstation turbo color machine. Much to my surprise, the output included the lines: 1 processor is physically available. Processor type: MC680x0 (68040) Processor speed: 25 MHz Processor active: 0 System type: 5 Board revision: 0xf Why does it say 25Mhz there? Turbo's should be 33 Mhz, right? This is on a machine that we (the micro store here at RPI) bought last April, and it's running NeXTstep 3.0. Is /usr/bin/hostinfo just reporting the wrong info? Does anyone out there have a Turbo NeXTstation where hostinfo claims the processor speed is 25 Mhz? If so, email me (instead of flooding the newsgroup...). Thanks. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: murphy@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (William J. Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: More hardware for NS/i from May. Message-ID: <10132@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> Date: 10 May 93 20:02:29 GMT References: <c7e83B2w165w@tcscs.com> Sender: news@dirac.physics.purdue.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Organization: Purdue University Physics Department In article <c7e83B2w165w@tcscs.com> next@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes: >Remember the advice about getting EISA for sound? Here's why. The only >supported card right now is the Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum 16. The >weaknesses of the ISA bus cause some problems with the card under NS. The >clincher is that NT has the exact same problem. It's the ISA bus's fault that >causes it. The EISA bus handles the interupts much better. Having worked with PC's and ISA boards which are attempting to handle audio at CD bandwidths for the past 7 or 8 years, I have to wonder whether or not there are problems with using/programming the DMA transfers for the multimedia audio boards. The advantage of an EISA board is that you have more DMA channels to choose from rather than DMA channels 5,6 and 7 on ISA. Would anyone know whether the video cards also use the DMA channels 5,6 or 7? I don't know diddly about the PC video. -- Bill Murphy | The Call of the Norwegian Whipperwil: | "I tink so, I tink so, probably." wjm4@niobbs1.em.cdc.gov | "I dunno, I dunno, who can tell."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: derungjj@cda.mrs.umn.edu (John DeRung) Subject: Help-Color Monitor Message-ID: <C6uGDr.LpD@cda.mrs.umn.edu> Summary: Dead Monitor Keywords: Color Monitor Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 03:58:38 GMT Please help. We have a NeXTstation Color system running NS 2.1. The color monitor appears to have died over the weekend. (We had a number of small power problems due to storms on Friday and Saturday) When we press the power button there is a small "clicking" noise, but nothing is displayed. We have checked everything we can think of, any suggestions? We have checked the fuse. We have removed the battery and reset all the parameters. We have played with all of the brightness and contrast settings. Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Please note that the system boots fine and can be access remotely just fine. Alternately, if we are unable to fix the existing monitor, which seems likely, we will have to buy a new monitor. Does anyone have any suggestions for a third-party source for Color monitors that work with the NeXTstation? Your help is appreciated. Thanks, John DeRung John DeRung U U M M M M University of Minnesota, Morris U U MM MM MM MM Division of Science and Math U U M M M M M M Department of Computer Science U U M M M M 600 East 4th Street UUUUU M M M M Morris, MN 56267 Voice: (612)589-6320 E-Mail: derungjj@cda.mrs.umn.edu, derungjj@UMNMOR.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Anyone heard of DPT 2012B SCSI card? (SUMMARY!!) Message-ID: <93May08.163138.42582@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sat, 08 May 93 16:31:38 GMT References: <C6L1ry.396@csulb.edu> <May06.194918.94615@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <C6MqE8.EID@acsu.buffalo.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Keywords: NEXTSTEP, NeXTWORLD Expo, NeXT, SCaN, User Groups > Our testing goes against the idea that the Adaptec is only > slightly worse than the DPT. On a quiet system I've done a disk > /dev/rsd0a with the inputs of "0,200,200,200" with an Adaptec > and gotten in the 930,000 bytes/sec range. Oddly enough that was my first el-cheapo benchmark too. Using an Adaptec 1542B with a Toshiba 1.2GB drive I got 1.8 MB / sec. > Today we were able to get three times that with our EISA > ATI/DPT system. And before you flame me I know that this is not > a true benchmark, and that this is also a function function of > drive performance. Oddly enough, we were only able to squeak about 1.9 MB / sec out of the DPT on the same machine with the same drive as the Adaptec. The only case where I got wonderful performance from the DPT was with repeated reads of the same area (where we got almost 5 MB / sec). We'll have to wait for the final release before getting any REALLY meaningful benchmarks, of course, but it would seem you're getting much worse performance than the Adaptec is capable of with the current release. Try the same benchmark again using the same machine and the same drive... -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: johnd@well.sf.ca.us (John Dibble) Subject: NeXTStation to Apple NTR or HP IIIP Message-ID: <C6vFHF.4uG@well.sf.ca.us> Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 16:36:51 GMT Has anyone connected the Apple NTR printer to a NeXTStation? What cable (pinouts?) should I use. Is there any software modifcation necessary? Alternative printer is the HP IIIP.
From: traupman-jonathan@yale.edu (Jonathan Traupman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Hardware for NS/i in monochrome Date: 11 May 1993 15:09:47 -0400 Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sotlrINNono@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> Keywords: Video Graphics Does anyone know exactly what you need to run NS/i in monochrome at 1024x768. Specifically, does using a video accellerator improve monochrome performance as well? Also, can you switch resolutions either on the fly, like the macitosh monitors control panel, or at startup? Also, can you run NS/i in monochrome on a color monitor? I'd like to get a color screen, but may not be able to afford a 2MB video card, so I'd like to run NS/i in monochrome at 1024x768, switch to color at 800x600 when necessary, and use color for DOS (games). Is this possible or must I commit to either a straight color or straight monochrome machine? Thanks, Jon -- Jonathan Traupman |<-- not here for the summer. At: PO Box 3124 Yale Station |1019 Prospect Ave. New Haven, CT 06520-3124 |Bethlehem, PA 18018 jont@minerva.cis.yale.edu |(215) 868-4819s
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: /usr/bin/hostinfo on turbo NeXTstations -- 25Mhz ?!? (Summary) Date: 11 May 1993 19:38:36 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sovbs$ohm@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1smo33$mc@usenet.rpi.edu> I (Garance A. Drosehn) wrote: > shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) writes: > [while answering a question from someone else:] > > Just try , which gives you memory and many others .. > > I had not known about [the /usr/bin/hostinfo] command, so I thought > I'd try it out on my new (to me...) NeXTstation turbo color machine. > Much to my surprise, the output included the lines: > > Processor type: MC680x0 (68040) > Processor speed: 25 MHz > > Why does it say 25Mhz there? > ... Does anyone out there have a > Turbo NeXTstation where hostinfo claims the processor speed is 25 > Mhz? If so, email me (instead of flooding the newsgroup...). Well, plenty of email has poured in, and everyone else who owns a turbo gets 33Mhz in the output from hostinfo. Looks like this machine has the wrong chip in it. Not sure what we can do about it given the machine is over a year old, but at least we finally know why this demo never seemed much faster than the regular NeXTstation it replaced... Sigh. For all those who asked me about the info panel, on my machine the info panel just says that the processor is a 68040 (which is expected, of course). It doesn't say the chip is 33Mhz, but it doesn't say the chip is 25Mhz either. I remebered noticing that when we first got the machine, as I was surprised the info panel didn't have something special for a turbo machine. Little did I suspect that we didn't *have* a turbo machine... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: 21" Color Monitor Message-ID: <1993May11.113629.28669@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 11 May 93 11:36:28 PDT Has anyone compared the NEC 6FG to the NeXT 21" monitor? It seems to me that the NEC flickers more markedly at 74Hz NI (1280*1024), and shows distinctive Moire patterns for NS/Intel. Are there substantially better monitors available? Does the Nanao dominate? (I am not interested in resolutions higher than the ones quoted above, just in easy viewing and no strange patterns.) /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: EATA Timeout Errors Message-ID: <1993May11.114555.28901@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 11 May 93 11:45:54 PDT Has anyone seen an EATA Timeout Error (+Freezeup) before, or am I the only one? If not, my hardware has probably died with intermittent problems. /ivo welch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Subject: CDrom drive Message-ID: <1993May11.201335.18070@chiton.ucsd.edu> Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 20:13:35 GMT It's time to stop borrowing the Sun CDrom drive from at work. Having read the FAQ, I am left with another question: Are any of the multi-speed CDrom drives (NEC 74/84, Apple 300, Toshiba 3401,...) reliably useable on a NeXT? Send mail, I'll summarize. carl
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Apple's LaserWriter Select 310 and NeXTSTEP? Date: 11 May 1993 22:38:58 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sp9u9$7jq@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <mfausett.736800070@kirin> mfausett@bbn.com (Mark Fausett) writes: > gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > > > Apple recently released a fairly inexpensive PostScript printer > > called the LaserWriter Select 310. It works on a Mac and on a > > Windows machine, and has serial and parallel ports. > .... > > Isn't this actually a TrueType printer? Or am I all wet again... The Select 300 is Truetype and only truetype. The Select 310 has postscript, and comes with about 13 postscript fonts. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
From: citdem@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Printer Maintenance Message-ID: <0096C59A.C9B09D50@VIOLET.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Date: 11 May 93 22:38:30 GMT Distribution: na,local Organization: University of Arizona Howdy. Now that NeXT is out of the hardware business; I feel a need to know more about self-maintenance of my NeXT hardware. Specifically the Canon 400dpi laser printer. If you've done preventive/annual (etc) maintenance on the printer, I'd like to hear from you. What, when and how do you clean? What, when and how do you oil/grease (etc)? Any preventive maintenance guidelines on the OD drive will be appreciated too. Thanks for your time. Don McCollam citdem@happy.rc.arizona.EDU
Control: cancel <C6vvpx.I4F@research.canon.oz.au> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman) Subject: cmsg cancel <C6vvpx.I4F@research.canon.oz.au> Message-ID: <C6vvzw.IBu@research.canon.oz.au> Originator: andy@jaco Sender: news@research.canon.oz.au Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia References: <1slugh$eq4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <C6vvpx.I4F@research.canon.oz.au> Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 22:33:32 GMT <C6vvpx.I4F@research.canon.oz.au> was cancelled from within rn. -- Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au) "gentle suggestions being those which are written on rocks of less than 5lbs" Tracy Nelson in comp.lang.c
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: chwe@random.uchicago.edu (michael suk-young chwe) Subject: How to adapt generic mouse for NeXT? Message-ID: <1993May12.055020.17818@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 05:50:20 GMT Note: please reply to chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu Dear Netters, My mouse (pre-ADB, pre-Turbo) on my mono Station has bit the dust and I am desparately looking for solutions. I posted in csn.marketplace for anyone willing to sell one, but I am also interested in figuring out if it is possible to adapt existing generic mice (e.g. Microsoft). If I knew how to do this I wouldn't have to worry about my mouse breaking again. Is it just a matter of figuring out what wire to solder to what? Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thank you very much, Michael Chwe please reply to chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Bug Fix (was Re: Software Floating Pt Coprocessor for NeXTs) Message-ID: <1993May12.074258.17704@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Wed, 12 May 93 07:42:58 GMT Hi everyone- Thanks to Frank Zhang, I've been alerted to some bugs in the software math coprocessor for the 68040 NeXT hardware. It turns out that log10() was broken. Additionally, I determined that pow() was also foo-bar. And floor() failed my testing for negative integers. I simply didn't bother checking the validity of the funtions in the original libjv.a package from which I made my modifications. I did several hours of numerical verifications on the libraries tonight and they seem to do the right thing now. Please read the README file included with the package describing the stuff. I've explained in a little more detail what this library can do, and what its limitations are. Anyway, I went ahead and fixed the bugs and reposted the new versions on sonata.cc.purdue.edu under the name /pub/next/submissions/SoftwareMathCoprocFor68040.2.tar.Z (note the "2" before the "tar.Z.") I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused people. I hope nobody was using it to design space shuttles, etc. I would like again to thank Jos Vermaseren, who wrote the original package, "libjv", which you can still pick up from sonata.cc.purdue.edu. This thing wouldn't be possible without his original input. For those of you who missed my earlier message and have no idea what I'm talking about, here's what SoftwareMathCoprocFor68040.2.tar.Z can do for you: > Date: Thu, 6 May 93 12:17:23 -0700 > Subject: Software Floating Pt Coprocessor for NeXTs posted on Sonata > > Hi- > I posted a modified version of Jos Vermaseren's software math > coprocessor on sonata.cc.purdue.edu. My modifications > make it possible to link his library into a NS 3.0 project. > Transcendental calls can now go more than twice as fast > because there is no overhead for doing f-line system traps on > machines without 68882 math coprocessors (which is most of > their machines anyway). > > Unfortunately NeXT hasn't fixed this yet. The functions that are included are: acos(), asin(), atan(), atan2(), cos(), exp(), floor(),fmod(),log(), log10(), pow(), sin(), and tan(). Functions that are not included in this list are either already implemented on the 68040's on-chip FPU or too esoteric to be worthwhile. By the way, this software will run very slowly on a 68030/68882 cube... just so you know. Please send comments. Flames to /dev/null. Enjoy, Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SCSI harddrives, and memory Message-ID: <1993May11.230113.6014@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> From: emusser@math.macalstr.edu (Eric Musser) Date: 11 May 93 23:01:13 -0600 Hello, I have two questions: Our department is considering purchasing an APS Quantum 1225S internal SCSI harddrive originally meant for a Macintosh. Can we use this on a NeXT as well? What are the possible memory configurations for 030 machines? I'm not sure how old the machines are. I think one has 12 slots and the others 16. Thanks, -Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: 21" Color Monitor Message-ID: <1993May12.020713.2072@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993May11.113629.28669@mic.ucla.edu> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 02:07:13 GMT In article <1993May11.113629.28669@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: > Has anyone compared the NEC 6FG to the NeXT 21" monitor? It seems to > me that the NEC flickers more markedly at 74Hz NI (1280*1024), and > shows distinctive Moire patterns for NS/Intel. Are there substantially > better monitors available? Does the Nanao dominate? (I am not > interested in resolutions higher than the ones quoted above, just in > easy viewing and no strange patterns.) Take a look at Ikegami monitors. Email me if you need contact info. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: system@arsenal.com (captain) Subject: Screen Machine II Information Message-ID: <kXXe4B1w165w@arsenal.com> Sender: bbs@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS - MadNuG - NeXT Users of Madison, WI Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 03:28:07 GMT Howdy, The fellows that are putting Screen Machine II togther sent me a Q&A sheet so I thought I would pass it along to the net-folks. What is SCREEN MACHINE II Here we have the answers to the most asked questions to the Screen Machine. Due to the fact development is more important in the moment than creating nice printed brochures we hope this information will help you until the final release in may. Q: Is Screen Machine a hardware ? A: Yes. Its a 16bit ISA add-on-board with all cables and documentation you need. Q: What does Screen Machine do ? A: Screen Machine ll is a real-time video digitizer, that digitize images in true color or gray scales. Screen Machine II is also a multimedia board that is capable of displaying live video in any size, at any position on your VGA monitor. Q: Do I still need a graphic adapter ? A: Yes. Screen Machine II is added to your graphic subsystem. It receives the VGA output and adds analog the live video image to the monitor signal. Therefore you still have the resolution and refresh rates of your VGA and independent which mode you use a true color live video on your monitor. Q: How is Screen Machine II connected to my system ? A: You connect the external output of the VGA adapter and the monitor to the Screen Machine II. Q: What kind of video sources I can use ? A: Screen Machine ll has video inputs for composite and S-VHS signals (3 x composite, or 1 x S-VHS plus 1 x composite). Thus all camcorders, video recorders, laserdisc players, S-Video, Video 8, U-Matic, and still video equipment in any standard (PAL, NTSC, SECAM) can be hooked up to the board. Q: Which video standards are supported ? A: PAL, NTSC, SECAM auto detection. Q: Which scan rate the Screen Machine runs at ? A: Max 14.75 MHz (reached only by PAL) with 2x oversampling. Q: What are the real geometric resolutions ? A: Its 768x576 (PAL), 640x480 (NTSC) per frame with square pixels. Q: What screen resolutions are supported ? A: 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768 (all non-interlaced; 1024 x 768 at half video bandwidth). Q: Does Screen Machine do true color ? A: Yes, it digitizes 24-bit (16,7 mio colors). Q: What is the digitizing time for one frame ? A: Realtime : 1/50 sec. field PAL (1/60 NTSC) 1/25 sec. frame PAL (1/30 NTSC) Q: Which storage formats are used ? A: Mainly we use a professional YUV (4:2:2) format to receive the best quality. But of course we also support RGB formats like TIFF. Q: What are the system requirements for the Screen Machine II ? A: HW: - PC 286 (not supp. by NS), 386, 486 ... - one free 16bit ISA or EISA slot - VGA SW: - NeXTSTEP for Intel (V 3.1) Q: What software is available for the Screen Machine II ? A: You receive with every board the driver and some applications for capturing, displaying video images as well as controlling the live video. Optional there is a developer kit for programming own applications with the Screen Machine II. Q: What is the Screen Machine II Developer Kit ? A: Its the developer library which makes full use of the capabilities of the Screen Machine board. It includes : - NXLiveVideoView compatible class (except video out) - SM Kit, objective C Library - Palettes for the IB - Examples with source code - Documentation Q: When will Screen Machine II for NeXTSTEP on Intel be available ? A: First release will be available after the NeXTWORLD EXPO in may. Q: Where can I buy this famous product called Screen Machine II ? A: At your local NeXT dealer. Dealers and distributors will be authorized by d'ART Hamburg. Prices are also available throu d'ART. If there are still questions left simply send us a message (best would be NeXT e-Mail). __________________________________________________________________________ ____ interpersonal-computing GmbH NeXT Center Mönchen Germany / Bavaria Tel . : (++49) 89 22 28 63 Oettingenstraûe 2 Fax. : (++49) 89 22 33 76 8000 Mönchen 22 E-Mail : sm@interpc.de NeXT Mail (and good news) Welcome ----------------------- Hope this answers some of my e-mail. Later! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: colin@snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: sticky space bar Date: 12 May 1993 17:40:27 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Message-ID: <1srcqb$3ph@tamsun.tamu.edu> Has anyone else had trouble with a sticky space bar on an old style keyboard? Mine's just less than 3 years old and is intermittently sticking down. Is there an easy fix? I've unscrewed the board and made sure there's no crud in the visible moving parts, but I can't find an easy way to remove the whole bar. There are two plastic posts one in center of the bar, which seems to house the spring mechanism and the signal transducer, and one towards the left end which seems to be there for stability only. I can detach the base of the left post, but I can't see how to detach the center post. -- Colin Allen INTERNET (& NeXTMail) : colin@snaefell.tamu.edu Assistant Professor | BITNET : cfa0802@tamvenus Philosophy, Texas A&M University | FAX : (409) 845-0458 College Station, TX 77843-4237 | VOICE : (409) 845-5660
From: clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: How to buy UPS Message-ID: <1993May12.133536.7908@gleap.jpunix.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 13:35:36 GMT Sender: clloyd@gleap.jpunix.com Distribution: usa Organization: GiantLeap Software I need a UPS for my NeXTstation but am pretty ignorant of the issues/jargon. If you have a UPS and can recommend a brand and supplier to me, I'd like to hear from you. I'll be glad to summarize for the net. I'm particulary interested in knowing how long I can expect to run on the various UPS's. In looking at Computer Shopper, all I see are model numbers and prices and no indication of how long the unit will keep me alive. One ad said 400 watts, but for how long? duhh. Thanks, Charles. -- Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com GiantLeap Software (713) 363-0887 (713) 363-0936 (fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: DAT drives, other hardware Message-ID: <1993May12.152454.6052@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> From: emusser@math.macalstr.edu (Eric Musser) Date: 12 May 93 15:24:53 -0600 Hello, Does anyone know a company that sells DAT drives, used NeXT machines, or accelerator boards. Thanks, Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: andylee@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Andrew A. Lee) Subject: Longer (Color) Monitor Cable? Message-ID: <1993May12.195146.1958@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr Usenet) Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Date: Wed, 12 May 93 19:51:46 GMT I want to extend the color monitor cable I have, the fan noise from the CPU (color turbo) is driving me crazy! I thought about cutting up the cable I have now to add length, but that seems a little too risky. Is there extension cables I can buy? Or other alternatives? And what are these black cylinders on the monitor cable for? -- # Andy A. Lee # UCLA MS/PhD Graduate Student, AI Neural Networks # # andylee@cs.ucla.edu # Down-to-Earth Idealist & Independent NeXT Developer # # (310)824-7131 # "If you don't watch your figure, who will?" - TV Ad. # # (714)651-0763 # "Trust is earned, not given away." - Star Trek: TNG #
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mosscrp@ccu.umanitoba.ca (David R. Mosscrop) Subject: Cleaning ODs? Message-ID: <mosscrp-120593163729@cc-k-box22.cc.umanitoba.ca> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 21:35:22 GMT Hello; Sometime ago someone posted how to take ODs apart, what to clean and other things necessary to get a dead drive working. Please repost or if anyone else has this info, please send it to me. Thank you. David R. Mosscrop mosscrp@ccu.umanitoba.ca Sorry No NeXT mail:-( Programmer Analyst University of Manitoba Geography Department
Newsgroups: andi.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Strehl) Subject: Intel Professional GX Workstation Prices Message-ID: <C6xE86.9EL@nextsrv1.andi.org> Keywords: ANDI, INTEL,NeXTSTEP Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 18:04:51 GMT ANDI announces a change in the Intel discount program. We are pleased to have been able to get machines in the hands of developers prior to the NeXTWORLD Expo. The special offer of $2235 expires at the end of the day, Monday, May 17. Anyone who places an order and is a paid ANDI member as of that date will be able to purchase up to two systems. Beginning Tuesday, May 18, a new program will go into effect which provides developers and reseller's with special pricing options. DESCRIPTION Intel Professional GX Work Station, 66Mhz, 8MB RAM, 64K Cache, 2MB VRAM, on board SCSI, on board audio, one 3.5 inch internal floppy drive, one 1 inch internal IDE drive bay, 2 full length EISA slots, 1 1/2 length (approximately) ISA slot. (no mouse, keyboard, or monitor) Note: Intel is writing the SCSI driver and having the audio driver written. You will not be able to boot from an external SCSI disk under the NeXSTEP release that ships at the end of May. The pricing is as follows: Membership category Price Limits Corporate member $2335 Unlimited quantity (also Govt/Education) Developer-Individual $2400 Limit of 10 Individual $2600 Limit of 2 (also User Group) Non-member price: $2700 Unlimited quantity In case you are interested in the cost of annual ANDI membership: Individual: $100 User Group: $175 Developer-Individual $275 Government/Education $1000 Corporate $1500 As of Monday, May 17, ANDI members will be able to call the ANDI Intel Order Desk which will be a toll free 800 number. We will announce the number by the end of the week. ANDI is pleased to also announce that if you want a system for the NeXTWORLD Expo or would like to order one and pick it up at the Expo, we can make arrangements to make this possible. Credit card orders will be accepted as on Monday. Until Monday, for more information on ordering or pricing on complete systems, call Bruce Tucker at 301-921-3983. --- Regards, Bill Strehl Executive Director ANDI - Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International 9921 Woodburn Road Silver Spring, Maryland (MD) 20901-2730 reply to:bill@andi.org On CompuServe: 73130,3135 telephone:301-681-0613
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: piro@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Oreste Piro) Subject: Would a Seagate HD boot my 030 cube? Message-ID: <1993May12.205757.6983@bnlux1.bnl.gov> Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973 References: <1s3tkh$7bk@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 20:57:57 GMT I have this very definite question and would like a very definite answer: Is it possible to build a bootable disk from a 040 nonturbo cube and boot an 030 machine from it? Would the Seagate ST41200N do it? Thanks in advance. O. Piro.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pyrros@ulysses.att.com (Christos T. Pyrros) Subject: Re: How many users can I have? Message-ID: <1993May13.042304.26889@ulysses.att.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 04:23:04 GMT References: <1sm8iv$qdl@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill In article <1sm8iv$qdl@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> gary@msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe) writes: > > I (gary@msu.edu) wrote: > : How many users can I have connecting to a NeXT at once without the machine > : dragging down? > : > : I know this will vary by machine & memory but I don't know if 10 people on > : at once on a 12MB cube is too much or if I can go to 100? NEXTSTEP is configured for a *maximum* of 32 users (ttys), due to software licensing restrictions, as I understand.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: CDR-36 (NEC) will it work with Black Hardware? Message-ID: <C6w4Hx.I3@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 01:37:08 GMT I guess the subject says it all. I know the drive isn't fast or compatible with the Kodak stuff but I need to know will it work with an '040 machine. I know where to get them for $249 new, in the box and I'd like to be able to upgrade my machine to 3.1. I used the Sun CD-ROM from work to upgrade to 3.0 but I won't be at the same company in 3 weeks. If anyone has had any luck getting a NEC CDR-36 to work on a NeXT please let me know. (email or posting is fine) Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: SUBMISSION: how to print color on a HP DeskJet 550C from a NeXT Message-ID: <1993May13.110231.2714@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 13 May 93 11:02:31 GMT Hi- I've seen some posts asking about the possibility of printing on a Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 550C color+black ink printer. I didn't see too many follow-ups, so either the replies were in private or those who knew were hiding. Well, here is a solution. It's not super-extremely elegant, but it seems to work for me. The answer is to be found on sonata.cc.purdue.edu in /pub/next/submissions and it's called HP-DeskJet550C.tar.Z. I would like to thank L. Peter Deutsch @ Aladdin Enterprises, John B. Lockhart (lockhart@eecom.gatech.edu), and George Cameron (george@bio-medical-physics.aberdeen.ac.uk) for their help. I just simply glued some stuff together and packaged it for y'all. Enjoy, Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (Michael Suk-Young Chwe) Subject: Mice for pre-turbo, pre-ADB stations---some solutions Message-ID: <1993May13.180435.22582@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 18:04:35 GMT Dear Netters, After panicking when my mouse broke down, I found there are a few possibilities: 1. I could get a new NeXTMouse from my campus computer store for $80 and a few day wait. This is OK but two years from now when that mouse bites it I will be in even worse shape. 2. You can also get new mice from MicroAge in Chicago for about $80. Their number is 312-266-8100. You don't need any campus affiliation for this as far as I can tell. 3. Some kind people mailed me some instructions on how to hook up a Logitech bus mouse. I'm in the process of finding out more about this and will summarize in the future. 4. I saw a Microsoft mouse working on a NeXTStation (mono, non-turbo, pre-ADB) in a local computer store, University Computers (talk to Jordi, 312-288-3700, their address is 1311 E 57th street, Chicago, IL). It turns out that it wasn't a regular Microsoft mouse but one sold by Outbound for use on Outbound portable computers. The connector is compatible with the NeXT connector, and I've actually seen it work in their store. Jordi says that this mouse is exactly the same as a generic Microsoft mouse except with a different connector. Outbound no longer makes them, but Jordi can get a few for $50 each. I will get one just as a "spare" since I have discovered how mouse-vulnerable I am. Thus it should be possible to use a generic Microsoft mouse as long as you figure out the pinouts of the NeXT and the Microsoft mouse, and buy the right connector. Can anyone help with this? I think this would be the best solution in the long run, since Microsoft mice will probably be with us for a long time. Anyway, hope this helps! Michael Chwe --- Michael Suk-Young Chwe chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (NeXTMail OK) __|__ | / _| ( ) Economics Department, University of Chicago / \ | /\__| __|_|__ 1126 E 59th Street, Chicago, IL 60637 USA __|__ | / ( ) Facsimile 312-702-8490 -- Michael Suk-Young Chwe chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (NeXTMail OK) __|__ | / _| ( ) Economics Department, University of Chicago / \ | /\__| __|_|__ 1126 E 59th Street, Chicago, IL 60637 USA __|__ | / ( ) Facsimile 312-702-8490
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX Workstation Prices Message-ID: <1993May13.192205.11162@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Keywords: ANDI, INTEL,NeXTSTEP Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <C6xE86.9EL@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: Thu, 13 May 93 19:22:05 GMT In article <C6xE86.9EL@nextsrv1.andi.org> bill@nextsrv1.andi.org writes: >Note: Intel is writing the SCSI driver and having the audio driver >written. You will not be able to boot from an external SCSI disk >under the NeXSTEP release that ships at the end of May. I just received delivery of a GX and was wondering if the statement, "You will not be able to boot from an external SCSI disk," is true even if I add a DPT or Adaptec SCSI card which is currently supported by NS/FIP. The wording above is vague. I would think this is only referring to a SCSI disk connected to the GX's on-board SCSI. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (Michael Suk-Young Chwe) Subject: Mice for non-ADB, pre-Turbo mono stations--some solutions Message-ID: <1993May13.194524.25797@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Date: Thu, 13 May 1993 19:45:24 GMT Dear Netters, After panicking when my mouse broke down, I found there are a few possibilities: 1. I could get a new NeXTMouse from my campus computer store for $80 and a few day wait. This is OK but two years from now when that mouse bites it I will be in even worse shape. 2. You can also get new mice from MicroAge in Chicago for about $80. Their number is 312-266-8100. You don't need any campus affiliation for this as far as I can tell. 3. Some kind people mailed me some instructions on how to hook up a Logitech bus mouse. I'm in the process of finding out more about this and will summarize in the future. 4. I saw a Microsoft mouse working on a NeXTStation (mono, non-turbo, pre-ADB) in a local computer store, University Computers (talk to Jordi, 312-288-3700, their address is 1311 E 57th street, Chicago, IL). It turns out that it wasn't a regular Microsoft mouse but one sold by Outbound for use on Outbound portable computers. The connector is compatible with the NeXT connector, and I've actually seen it work in their store. Jordi says that this mouse is exactly the same as a generic Microsoft mouse except with a different connector. Outbound no longer makes them, but Jordi can get a few for $50 each. I will get one just as a "spare" since I have discovered how mouse-vulnerable I am. Thus it should be possible to use a generic Microsoft mouse as long as you figure out the pinouts of the NeXT and the Microsoft mouse, and buy the right connector. Can anyone help with this? I think this would be the best solution in the long run, since Microsoft mice will probably be with us for a long time. Anyway, hope this helps! Michael Chwe -- Michael Suk-Young Chwe chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (NeXTMail OK) __|__ | / _| ( ) Economics Department, University of Chicago / \ | /\__| __|_|__ 1126 E 59th Street, Chicago, IL 60637 USA __|__ | / ( ) Facsimile 312-702-8490
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: DAT drives, other hardware Date: 13 May 1993 19:43:48 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1sumfkINNcpd@systemix.com> References: <1993May12.152454.6052@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> In article <1993May12.152454.6052@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> emusser@math.macalstr.edu (Eric Musser) writes: >Hello, > Does anyone know a company that sells DAT drives, used >NeXT machines, or accelerator boards. > Peripheral Solutions (1-800-ALL-DISK) is selling the Exabyte 4200 4mm DAT driver for right around $1K. Servare (1-714-837-1175) also sells DAT drives configured for NeXTs. Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
From: seidl@next1.lbl.gov (Peter Seidl) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: noisy Seagate ST1480N in color slab Date: 14 May 1993 00:31:59 GMT Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1sup9v$ph9@overload.lbl.gov> Keywords: Seagate We've had the slab for almost a year now, and are getting the impression that the Seagate ST1480N (400MB) disk drive may be getting noisier (or we're getting more sensitive to the high frequency whine). Any suggestions on what might be done? In particular: 1- Are Seagate ST1480N drives notoriously noisy? 2- Is there a quieter alternative that would fit in the slab? 3- What's the average lifetime of the drives? We've reduced some of the noise by resting the slab on a rubber mat and putting another rubber sheet between the slab and the monitor. This has helped by 10db or so. -- Peter Seidl Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory Berkeley, CA 94720 seidl@next1.lbl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX Workstation Prices Message-ID: <bill.737344057@nextsrv1> Keywords: ANDI, INTEL,NeXTSTEP Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <C6xE86.9EL@nextsrv1.andi.org> <1993May13.192205.11162@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 01:47:37 GMT lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: >In article <C6xE86.9EL@nextsrv1.andi.org> bill@nextsrv1.andi.org writes: >>Note: Intel is writing the SCSI driver and having the audio driver >>written. You will not be able to boot from an external SCSI disk >>under the NeXSTEP release that ships at the end of May. >I just received delivery of a GX and was wondering if the statement, >"You will not be able to boot from an external SCSI disk," is true >even if I add a DPT or Adaptec SCSI card which is currently supported >by NS/FIP. The wording above is vague. I would think this is only >referring to a SCSI disk connected to the GX's on-board SCSI. You can boot off an external (or internal) SCSI hard drive if you plug in a NS/Intel supported SCSI controller. We have done this with both the Adaptec 1542B and DPT 2012. Bill Strehl's statement has to do with the built in SCSI controller. Even when Intel has the SCSI driver done, we have to wait for NeXT to incorporate that driver into the build or when NS/Intel supports dynamically loaded boot drivers, according to our understanding. Bill Chin Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org -- Bill Chin, NeXTSTEP Developer, PRC Inc. VP Communications, Washington Area NeXT Users Group Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Technical Staff bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harryt@world.std.com (Harry D Tirrell) Subject: NBIC Message-ID: <C70u9D.IH@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 14:44:00 GMT I recently installed a 040 turbo board in my cube, and I know see the message NBIC installed during the boot. I know that this stands for Next Bus Interface Chip. What i am wondering is what does having this chip due for me, or what does not having it loose me. Thanks for all replys harry -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- harryt@world.std.com All comments are my own and tirrellh@novavax.nova.edu bare no relationship to any
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jaeger.ka.sub.org!stephan (Stephan Jaeger) Subject: SyQuest inside of a Cube ? Message-ID: <1993May12.171833.297@jaeger.ka.sub.org> Sender: stephan@jaeger.ka.sub.org Organization: Stephan's Unox Bastelladen Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 17:18:33 GMT Hello people out there in NeXTland, last week-end, I bought a SyQuest-555-device and a 44MB-cartridge and integrated it in my cube. The SCSI-ID of the new device, I switched to '2'. But now, I have trouble while booting. The system recognizes that there is a SyQuest and recognizes the right SCSI-ID, too, but that's all. After that, I get the error-message 'invalid label' (in ROM-Monitor), which causes the system to crash. I labelled and formatted it using '/usr/etc/disk', so now I can boot and log in. But after logging in, the SyQuest is not shown in the directory, what (perhaps) means, that it is not mounted. But when I want to mount, I get this output: /stephan > mount /dev/sd1a /usr mount: /dev/sd1a on /usr: Device busy mount: giving up on: /usr Exit 16 /stephan > Why is the device busy ? Can I configure the system, that I can change cartridges while being logged in ? Can I use the SyQuest like a CD-ROM-player or like a floppy-device ? Are there differences, whether I install a SCSI-device internally or externally ? Has someone made other experiences with SyQuest-devices ? Thanks in advance. Stephan Jaeger -- This space for rent. Contact: Stephan Jaeger, Rheinstr.40, D-76185 Karlsruhe Tel & Fax : +49 721 554293 e-mail : stephan@jaeger.ka.sub.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jaeger.ka.sub.org!stephan (Stephan Jaeger) Subject: Sorry; once again : SyQuest and Cube ? Message-ID: <1993May12.173418.216@jaeger.ka.sub.org> Sender: stephan@jaeger.ka.sub.org Organization: Stephan's Unox Bastelladen Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 17:34:18 GMT Hello people out there in NeXTland, last week-end, I bought a SyQuest-555-device and a 44MB-cartridge and integrated it in my cube. The SCSI-ID of the new device, I switched to '2'. But now, I have trouble while booting. The system recognizes that there is a SyQuest and recognizes the right SCSI-ID, too, but that's all. After that, I get the error-message 'invalid label' (in ROM-Monitor), which causes the system to crash. I labelled and formatted it using '/usr/etc/disk', so now I can boot and log in. But after logging in, the SyQuest is not shown in the directory, what (perhaps) means, that it is not mounted. But when I want to mount, I get this output: /stephan > mount /dev/sd1a /usr mount: /dev/sd1a on /usr: Device busy mount: giving up on: /usr Exit 16 /stephan > Why is the device busy ? Can I configure the system, that I can change cartridges while being logged in ? Can I use the SyQuest like a CD-ROM-player or like a floppy-device ? Are there differences, whether I install a SCSI-device internally or externally ? Has someone made other experiences with SyQuest-devices ? Thanks in advance. Stephan Jaeger -- This space for rent. Contact: Stephan Jaeger, Rheinstr.40, D-76185 Karlsruhe Tel & Fax : +49 721 554293 e-mail : stephan@jaeger.ka.sub.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: NS/FIP Monitor Question Message-ID: <1993May11.211018.7170@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center Date: Tue, 11 May 93 21:10:18 GMT Has anyone used the 20" ViewSonic monitor? I was quoted a good price and want to know how it rates. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
From: niebling@adonis.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (Ralf Niebling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: harddrive IBM 663E15 Message-ID: <2403@diane.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Date: 14 May 93 16:43:46 GMT Sender: news@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de Hello I'm having trouble with my newly bought IBM 663E15 Harddrive. It's suffering the Highlander syndrome ``there can be only one''. It works fine, as long it is connected as the only device on the scsi bus. As soon as I connect another one, it pouts: I get errors when I try to write to the disk. I get the message sd0: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x2000, resid = 0x2000, retry = 1 sd0: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x2000, resid = 0x2000, retry = 2 ... sd0: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x2000, resid = 0x2000, retry = 9 on the console. In fact the data is transfered to the disk, but I get the error anyway. On reading, the disk works fine. It can't be a problem of termination, since I once inserted the drive as an external one before my streamer, which is terminated properly. Even then the error occurs. Yesterday I happened to find the scsitools and a parameter file for the IBM 663H12 drive. Has anyone out there a parameter file for my 663E15 ? So it would be kind, if anyone who has a 663E15 running ok would get a parameter file by using the scsitools and send it to me via mail.. Thanx - Richard Scholz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: NS/FIP Hardware Deal Found Message-ID: <1993May12.114852.7471@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center Date: Wed, 12 May 93 11:48:52 GMT Those planing to buy NS/FIP hardware from a clone maker should check our ROYAL 800-486-0008x110. Royal 486DX2 66MHZ SCSI-2 VESA LOCAL BUS/EISA COMBO SYSTEM (2-VLB, 2-EISA, 4-ISA, P24T Upgrade socket) 256K Cache on board write back cache 32MB Ram on Board (70ns) upgradable to 128MB 1.2MB,1.4MB Floppy Drives (TEAC) Adaptech 1542C Controller 520MB Conner SCSI Hard Drive with 256k cache (11ms) Vesa Local Bus ATI 2MB Ultra Pro Video Card 2 Serial, 1 Parallell, 1 Gameport Full Tower Case with 10 Drive bays, 2 fans, and 250W power supply (mini tower 230W about $50 less) Hi Rez Mouse (1450 DPI, A+Tech) DOS 6.0, Windows 3.1 with Docs MAG 17" monitor digital controller 0.28 dow pitch. Focus 9000 Programmable Keyboard Quoted price $5318 + $75 shipping They will upgrade to the Viewsonic 20" for $670. I am looking into other 20" monitors as well. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: maclean@homer.cs.mcgill.ca (Matthew SAMS) Subject: Floppy drive on a cube Message-ID: <1t117l$lup@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@cs.mcgill.ca (Netnews Administrator) Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 20:59:33 GMT Hello, Big FAQ so I'll keep it short. I need a floppy drive for a cube. Will an apple 800K drive work? I have plenty of these and don't really want to buy an external floppy drive. Matthew Sams maclean@cs.mcgill.ca
From: slv0y@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/i Compatiblity guide, system setups... Message-ID: <1993May12.121028.67722@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 May 93 12:10:28 MDT Organization: Utah State University Could some kind soul please direct me to the resting place of the NeXTSTEP Intel compatibility guide's location? I have looked around Sonata and Orst but I can't seem to find it. I am planning on getting me a 486 machine to put my stuff on that I get at the Expo, so if anyone has any suggestions for a real hot machine please let me know. John Z. slv0y@cc.usu.edu (not NeXTmail capable ;-(
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Re: NS/FIP Hardware Deal Found Message-ID: <May14.225031.55787@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 22:50:31 GMT References: <1993May12.114852.7471@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College In article <1993May12.114852.7471@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> harit@kripalu.com writes: >Those planing to buy NS/FIP hardware from a clone maker should check >our ROYAL 800-486-0008x110. > >Royal 486DX2 66MHZ SCSI-2 VESA LOCAL BUS/EISA COMBO SYSTEM > (2-VLB, 2-EISA, 4-ISA, P24T Upgrade socket) >256K Cache on board write back cache >32MB Ram on Board (70ns) upgradable to 128MB >1.2MB,1.4MB Floppy Drives (TEAC) >Adaptech 1542C Controller >520MB Conner SCSI Hard Drive with 256k cache (11ms) >Vesa Local Bus ATI 2MB Ultra Pro Video Card >2 Serial, 1 Parallell, 1 Gameport >Full Tower Case with 10 Drive bays, 2 fans, and 250W power supply > (mini tower 230W about $50 less) >Hi Rez Mouse (1450 DPI, A+Tech) >DOS 6.0, Windows 3.1 with Docs >MAG 17" monitor digital controller 0.28 dow pitch. >Focus 9000 Programmable Keyboard > >Quoted price $5318 + $75 shipping > >They will upgrade to the Viewsonic 20" for $670. I am looking into >other 20" monitors as well. >-- >Michael Allen Latta >Kripalu Center >harit@kripalu.com >(413)448-3288 I, too have found this machine, and I just wanted to say that you don't really need to have the 5.25" floppy, unless you are going to use it... I think that it is a deduction of about $45 or so... -nate /---------------------------+======================================\ | "I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know." | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | nate@VIS.ColoState.Edu | \---------------------------+======================================/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: NS/i Compatiblity guide, system setups... Message-ID: <C71xsx.Bts@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1993May12.121028.67722@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 04:58:08 GMT In <1993May12.121028.67722@cc.usu.edu> slv0y@cc.usu.edu writes: >Could some kind soul please direct me to the resting place of the NeXTSTEP >Intel compatibility guide's location? I have looked around Sonata and Orst but >I can't seem to find it. I am planning on getting me a 486 machine to put my >stuff on that I get at the Expo, so if anyone has any suggestions for a real >hot machine please let me know. >John Z. >slv0y@cc.usu.edu >(not NeXTmail capable ;-( In order to be aware of all your options, I suggest that you wait until NeXT announces its updated compatibility guide. The beta release compatibility guide contains a small fraction of the machines that will be supported. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca NeXT Computer, Inc. mtacchi@NeXT.COM (NeXT Mail Welcome) "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: drebnord@betenoir.syr.edu (David A. Rebnord) Subject: Sparc 2 and NeXT Turbos use same type of SIMM?? Message-ID: <1993May14.153402.11714@newstand.syr.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 14 May 93 15:34:02 EDT Almost a FAQ I suppose, but not quite. Does anyone know offhand if 4MB parity SIMMs currently installed in a SPARC 2 will also work in a mono NeXT Turbo?? --- Dave Rebnord | drebnord@betenoir.syr.edu (NeXTmail) Dept. of Mathematics | (315) 443-1585 (voice) Syracuse University | (315) 443-1475 (fax) Syracuse NY 13244-1150 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: vyt@cypher.cmhnet.org (Victoria Y. Tong) Subject: Re: How to buy UPS Message-ID: <1993May14.182053.3950@cypher.cmhnet.org> Sender: vyt@cypher.cmhnet.org Organization: BenaTong, inc. References: <1993May12.133536.7908@gleap.jpunix.com> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 18:20:53 GMT In article <1993May12.133536.7908@gleap.jpunix.com> clloyd@gleap (Charles C. Lloyd) writes: > I need a UPS for my NeXTstation but am pretty ignorant of the issues/jargon. > If you have a UPS and can recommend a brand and supplier to me, I'd like to > hear from you. I'll be glad to summarize for the net. > > I'm particulary interested in knowing how long I can expect to run on the > various UPS's. In looking at Computer Shopper, all I see are model numbers and > prices and no indication of how long the unit will keep me alive. One ad said > 400 watts, but for how long? duhh. > > Thanks, > Charles. > -- > Charles Lloyd clloyd@GLeap.jpunix.com > GiantLeap Software (713) 363-0887 > (713) 363-0936 (fax) Hello, Buying a UPS can be a very challenging endevour... I know, we battled the problem long and hard. Generally, a UPS will last between 5 and 8 minutes at full load. If you have a 400 watt unit and had 400 VA of equipment running, it would run for 5 minutes. For a 200 VA load, the same UPS would last 19 minutes. We purchased a 600 watt unit from APC (more about them in a minute) and have been very pleased with it though we could get by with a 400. It gives about 50 minutes of backup for my NeXTstation (150VA). As for brands, I recommend APC units. They have a very reliable unit, they've been in the business a long time, their units are reasonably priced, and they have good support. They have three lines of units... the Smart-UPS series which communicates via serial port to your computer and can relay information about battery wellness, capacity etc. The Back-UPS series and the network PowerCell are both "dumb" UPS's. The Smart series and the Back series are available in both US and European voltage classes from NeXTConnection or from many computer retailers and mail order houses. The network PowerCell is available thru Wall Mart and Sam's Clubs. As for my bias toward APC. My company, BenaTong, has just released a NeXT app called PowerGuardian which monitors APC UPS's and can perform an orderly, unattended system shutdown in the event of a power failure. This app can run notification, shutdown, and restore scripts at user specified "time since failure" or "remaining battery capacity (smart UPS's only)." This is great stuff since it allows you to 1- shut down your system even if you're not there, 2- size your UPS more closely to the rating of your machine since you need less capacity in your UPS, and 3- ensure that your important files will be saved in case you "think you know how much time you have left on the battery and can get that last compile in..." }-) Be sure to stop by booth #130 at NeXTWORLD EXPO to see it in action!! We worked closely with APC while developing this application and I feel that I can vouch for the company and their outlook toward their customers. I hope that this wasn't to much of an "infomercial", my asbestos suit is at the cleaners...}-) Vicky Tong BenaTong
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) Subject: Re: NS/FIP Hardware Deal Found Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 10:10:09 GMT Message-ID: <timm.737460609@zaphod> References: <1993May12.114852.7471@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana harit@kripalu.com writes: >Those planing to buy NS/FIP hardware from a clone maker should check >our ROYAL 800-486-0008x110. >Royal 486DX2 66MHZ SCSI-2 VESA LOCAL BUS/EISA COMBO SYSTEM > (2-VLB, 2-EISA, 4-ISA, P24T Upgrade socket) >256K Cache on board write back cache >32MB Ram on Board (70ns) upgradable to 128MB >1.2MB,1.4MB Floppy Drives (TEAC) >Adaptech 1542C Controller >520MB Conner SCSI Hard Drive with 256k cache (11ms) >Vesa Local Bus ATI 2MB Ultra Pro Video Card >2 Serial, 1 Parallell, 1 Gameport >Full Tower Case with 10 Drive bays, 2 fans, and 250W power supply > (mini tower 230W about $50 less) >Hi Rez Mouse (1450 DPI, A+Tech) >DOS 6.0, Windows 3.1 with Docs >MAG 17" monitor digital controller 0.28 dow pitch. >Focus 9000 Programmable Keyboard >Quoted price $5318 + $75 shipping >They will upgrade to the Viewsonic 20" for $670. I am looking into >other 20" monitors as well. This is a good enough deal, I suppose, and it's very convenient to get everything from one source. I have been reading the PC rags (incidentally, in the most recent Computer Shopper, May 93, on pg. 195, there is a drawing of a PC, opposite to an article about Windows coprocessing graphics cards, and the monitor on top of the PC is most CLEARLY a NeXT monochrome monitor). They consistently give the MAG poor ratings, despite all of it's nice electronic as opposed to analog picture controls, so I would definitely check out the ViewSonic before buying. -- Tim McClarren | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks." grug@shell.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: Mice for non-ADB, pre-Turbo mono stations--some solutions Message-ID: <1993May15.130232.1125@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. References: <1993May13.194524.25797@midway.uchicago.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 13:02:32 GMT In article <1993May13.194524.25797@midway.uchicago.edu> chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu (Michael Suk-Young Chwe) writes: > > Thus it should be possible to use a generic Microsoft mouse as long > as figure out the pinouts of the NeXT and the Microsoft mouse, and buy > the right connector. Can anyone help with this? I think this would be > the best solution in the long run, since Microsoft mice will probably be > with us for a long time. No No No. The generic MS mouse is a serial based device. They pack the mouse information into a couple of bytes that get passed to the computer. The NeXT (non-ADB) mouse is a quadrature device. Read: brain dead passing the raw signals back. The Logitech bus mouse works because it is a quadrature output type device. Outbound may be also though, I would have thought they were ADB. -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. Joe@FreemanSoft.com 919.783.7033
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Re: NS/FIP Hardware Deal Found Message-ID: <May15.200328.57163@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 20:03:28 GMT References: <1993May12.114852.7471@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> <timm.737460609@zaphod> Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College I have been reading through the May 1993 Computer Shopper Mag, and have realized that it would be really nice if it came of CD-ROM... "you can't grep dead trees" ;-) Anyway, I have pieced together these systems (all are the same except for the CPU speeds)... I am *pretty* sure that NS/FIP will run on them, the only thing that is in question is the matherboard, but I have a feeling that most any motherboard will work... These motherboards have 2 VL-BUS slots, and 6 EISA slots... I think that these are the best prices around, but I am sure that someone has the stuff cheaper... maybe. The mother boards come in two models each... one with a P24T (scaled down Pentium) socket (I assume it's a ZIF). THe socket is $40 extra. I tried to keep most of the stuff coming from the same few outlets, but I don;t think that's really all that important. I am not sure about shipping on all the components, but I cannot be exceedingly expensive, except maybe for the case, and the monitor. DX2/66 DX/50 DX/33 WinTech 486 Motherboard, 256K cache $799.00 $699.00 $559.00 Max 128MB RAM, 6x EISA, 2x VL-BUS Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 Add $40 for P24T upgrade socket $40.00 Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 Meduim Tower, 230W Power $89.00 Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 Teac TEA-9075 3.5 FD $53.00 Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 Digital case display kit $10.00 Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 129 Key Focus 9000 Keyboard $73.00 Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 DPT 2012B-95 SCSI controller $499.00 CDW 1-800-326-4CDW Fujitsu 520MB SCSI HD (3.5 HH) $769.00 Plexus 1-800-285-6841 ATI Ultra Pro VLB w/ 2MB VRAM $420.00 Dee One Sys.1-800-831-8808 CTX CPS-1760 17 Digital, NI $799.00 MidWest Micro 1-800-972-8822 SupraFAXModem 14.4 $269.00 SW Comp. & Elect. 1-800-874-1235 Dexxa Mouse (made by Logitech) $69.00 FastMicro 1-800-441-3278 16MB RAM $536.00 $134/4MB SIMM (70ns) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DX2/66 DX/50 DX/33 Full-On Total, loaded (16 MB) $3,889.00 $3,789.00 $3,649.00 16 MB more RAM (total = 32MB) $536.00 Full-On Total, loaded (32 MB) $4,425.00 $4,325.00 $4,185.00 I did not include a 5.25" floppy drive, since it's a waste of space, if you ask me. I chose the DPT SCSI card mostly because it's an EISA, and because the Adaptec is an ISA... (please -- no more big threads on Adaptec vs. DPT). I, for one, will be waiting for the May 25 announcement of NS/FIP for an updated compatibility list... maybe more SCSI cards and video cards will be supported. I hope this helps, since i am trying to keep the cost of this thing under that of the national debt... and i think it turned out pretty good. -nate /---------------------------+======================================\ | "I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know." | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | nate@VIS.ColoState.Edu | \---------------------------+======================================/
From: tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/FIP Hardware Deal Found Message-ID: <HBsL4B1w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 93 14:10:04 CDT References: <timm.737460609@zaphod> Organization: TCS Consulting Services timm@zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) writes: > harit@kripalu.com writes: > > >Hi Rez Mouse (1450 DPI, A+Tech) > >Focus 9000 Programmable Keyboard [ system specs for royal 486 66 system deleted ] > [ stuff about poor ratings for MAG monitor deleted ] Plus, i'd check out the mouse... make sure ns/i will support it.. and...the focus 9000 keyboard.. I've used 3 of them.. 2 of them had problems of inserting random characters at times... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS Systems: TCS-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: SCSI-II drives on a NeXT Message-ID: <scott.737546966@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 10:09:26 GMT I'm considering getting more file storage on my NeXTstation Colour (non turbo) in the future, but am not entirely sure whether or not a SCSI-II drive would work. I seem to recall hearing that while the NeXT says it is SCSI-II, it isn't really. So will a drive that is SCSI-II work or are the commands necessary to drive it just not present on the NeXT controller? Thanks! Scott -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Did you know that the computer invented itself?" - SNL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: How to adapt generic mouse for NeXT? Message-ID: <C6zzyy.2ss@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993May12.055020.17818@midway.uchicago.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 03:49:46 GMT In article <1993May12.055020.17818@midway.uchicago.edu> chwe@random.uchicago.edu (michael suk-young chwe) writes: $Note: please reply to chwe@chwe1.spc.uchicago.edu $ $Dear Netters, $My mouse (pre-ADB, pre-Turbo) on my mono Station has bit $the dust and I am desparately looking for solutions. I $posted in csn.marketplace for anyone willing to sell one, $but I am also interested in figuring out if it is possible $to adapt existing generic mice (e.g. Microsoft). If I knew $how to do this I wouldn't have to worry about my mouse $breaking again. Is it just a matter of figuring out what $wire to solder to what? Any suggestions would be very much $appreciated. Either an Atari or Amiga mouse will work. Once you have the power connected correctly it's a matter of figuring which wire is for the buttin and the other wires. I just got a serial cable for the NeXT side and use an Amiga track ball and cut it's cable. I spliced the ends together and -- **PRESTO** It works like a charm. I posted the instructions a while back. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: kline@cs.arizona.edu (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/FIP Hardware Deal Found Message-ID: <39918@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Date: 16 May 93 10:29:20 GMT References: <1993May12.114852.7471@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> <timm.737460609@zaphod> <May15.200328.57163@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Sender: news@cs.arizona.edu Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Hey, this is the kind of stuff I like to read. I think I noticed an error on a previous article, raising the prices quite a bit. He forgot to add the original 16 meg of ram in. > DX2/66 DX/50 DX/33 >WinTech 486 Motherboard, 256K cache $799.00 $699.00 $559.00 > Max 128MB RAM, 6x EISA, 2x VL-BUS Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 > Add $40 for P24T upgrade socket $40.00 Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 >Meduim Tower, 230W Power $89.00 Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 >Teac TEA-9075 3.5 FD $53.00 Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 >Digital case display kit $10.00 Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 >129 Key Focus 9000 Keyboard $73.00 Net Comp 1-214-386-9310 >DPT 2012B-95 SCSI controller $499.00 CDW 1-800-326-4CDW >Fujitsu 520MB SCSI HD (3.5 HH) $769.00 Plexus 1-800-285-6841 >ATI Ultra Pro VLB w/ 2MB VRAM $420.00 Dee One Sys.1-800-831-8808 >CTX CPS-1760 17 Digital, NI $799.00 MidWest Micro 1-800-972-8822 >SupraFAXModem 14.4 $269.00 SW Comp. & Elect 1-800-874-1235 >Dexxa Mouse (made by Logitech) $69.00 FastMicro 1-800-441-3278 >16MB RAM $536.00 $134/4MB SIMM (70ns) > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DX2/66 DX/50 DX/33 >Full-On Total, loaded (0 MB) $3,889.00 $3,789.00 $3,649.00 with 16 mb ram $4,425 here's another system I assembeled from June's Computer Shopper (the place where cheapo, err poor next buyer's buy from) I suggest a NICE motherboard from Aberdeen (p 478-479 in June Computer Shopper). I don't know anything about them, except that they seem to have a pretty complete board. Advantages: no need to spend $40 extra for p24t or overdrive (then makes it $19 more). Also, 4 ISA slots. Since its upgradeable with only clock and crystal change, you could buy the DX/33... I'd love to hear that they had problems or that they were good, since I think I might buy from them. You can also upgrade the cache to 1mb for $250. They suggest "call us if you don't understand or have questions about any thing"! I copy several things from above and indicated this with a '-' at the first line. DX2/66 DX/50 DX/33 NICE Mini 486 EISA VESA-VL 486, 256K cache Max 128 mb, 3x EISA, 2x VL-BS, 4x ISA $869 $769 $539 "supports" overdrive and P24T ready w/ ZIF socket. Says its upgradeable to faster CPUs w/ crystal & CPU Change (wonder if it'll go with DX3/99? :-) Aberdeen 1-800-552-6868 -Medium Tower, 230W Power $89 (Net Comp, above) -Teac TEA-9075 3.5 FD $53 (NC) -Digital case display kit (what is this?) $10 (NC) -129 Key Focuse 9000 Keyboard (or any) $73 (NC) Adaptec 1542C SCSI (single user) $229 InTech (1-800-766-7917,p74 June93) Is this the right one? It's IDE so slower than EISA, but cheaper -Fujitsu 530MB SCSI HD (3.5HH) $769 (Plexus 1-800-285-6841) -ATI Ultra Pro VLB w/ 2MB VRAM $420.00 Dee One Sys 1-800-831-8808 ADI 5A 17 Digital $899.00 (aberdeen) (what does digital mean here?) -SupraFAX Modem 14.4 $269 (see above) -Dexxa Mouse (or any other) $69 (Fast micro, 1-800-441-3278) 16 MB RAM $480.00 ($120/4mb) 70ns (access comp. 800-332-3778) Total: $4160 compare with $4425 above. So my ram is cheaper & the motherboard appears to be better. I don't need the modem (save $269), but I need more ram ($120 = 4 more meg) New total $4011 (vs $4286 using my cheaper componets on previous system). Still should have fast color. To really save money: buy a less expensive hard drive. (MicroPolis 676MB 5.25 FH, 15ms) $699 HI-TECH Asset Recovery 1-805-966-2354 (that seems to be a really good hd price on the fuji above) I don't need the disk, since I already have a 660 meg Fuji (saves $769) Buy a cheaper monitor? (get the 15" ADI 4G 1280x1024 .28mm ($459)) So, for $2802 I can be in business. (not including shipping). That is (just barely!) in my price range. Doesn't include NS3.0/fip If the rumors of $450 edu prices are right (did you see the posting in french about that?) Then I can afford it. Barely. One more system: The Intel GX system that was advertised by ANDI for $2335 I think?) what would I need: Monitor: $459 (what kind of adapter does it have?) Mouse: $69 KeyBoard: $73 12mg ram: $360 (for a total of 20 meg). What's the max on the GX? ext. box for my Scis Disk: $100 total: 2335+1061 = $3396. yes, it has a sound card. But, it has a small cache (64k vs 256k), probably can't be expanded, has no isa slots. The second example I showed is good because it: can hold more isa, eisa, or local bus cards, so after I get rich I can add a eisa scsi controller or maybe a local bus one. I can add more cache. I can add a local bus, eisa, or isa sound card. I can upgrade the monitor (but lose big money probably). If other people think this looks good, I would be willing to volunteer to call up these guys and ask for a group rate... I'd also like to know if it would not work for sure, or if someone has such a system. I'm more and more convinced this is the way to go, since its so cheap and expandable. Please tell me what people think. -nick kline@cs.arizona.edu
From: dwatola@bvd.jpl.nasa.gov (David A. Watola) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: need TECHNICAL help/info for running headless Date: 16 May 1993 20:26:17 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t6819$3eu@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> i suddenly have need to run without the monitor on one system, mostly due to space constraints. i have heard of a product called 'upstart' that allows you to turn on (off?) the power without a monitor or keyboard connected, but i have also heard that this is nothing more than a jumpered switch mounted in a shell. if this is true, then i am loath to shell out the big ducats for something trivial that i can build myself--the pinout of the video connector on mono cubes and stations is documented, but there isn't enough technical info available to tell me what to do. is it as simple as jumpering the MON_PWR_SWITCH line on the display connector (pin 6) to one of the power supplies--and should it be a pulsed connection or constant? so, does anybody have the inside scoop on what is necessary to power on and boot either a cube or station (both mono) completely headless? i am most interested in highly detailed technical info, but comments from users of upstart are welcome as well. (a reverse-engineered schematic of this upstart product would be nice too :) ). email to: dwatola@bvd.jpl.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) Subject: Re: NS/FIP Hardware Deal Found Message-ID: <May16.203855.45412@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Date: Sun, 16 May 1993 20:38:55 GMT References: <timm.737460609@zaphod> <May15.200328.57163@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <39918@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College In article <39918@optima.cs.arizona.edu> kline@cs.arizona.edu (Nick Kline) writes: >Hey, this is the kind of stuff I like to read. I think I noticed an >error on a previous article, raising the prices quite a bit. He forgot to >add the original 16 meg of ram in. As a matter of fact I did forget to add the RAM :-( But that $120 is a good price for RAM. (from access comp. 1-800-332-3778) >here's another system I assembeled from June's Computer Shopper > (the place where cheapo, err poor next buyer's buy from) > >I suggest a NICE motherboard from Aberdeen (p 478-479 in June Computer >Shopper). I don't know anything about them, except that they seem to >have a pretty complete board. Advantages: no need to spend $40 extra >for p24t or overdrive (then makes it $19 more). Also, 4 ISA slots. >Since its upgradeable with only clock and crystal change, you could >buy the DX/33... > >I'd love to hear that they had problems or that they were good, since >I think I might buy from them. You can also upgrade the cache to 1mb >for $250. They suggest "call us if you don't understand or have >questions about any thing"! I copy several things from above and indicated >this with a '-' at the first line. > > DX2/66 DX/50 DX/33 >NICE Mini 486 EISA VESA-VL 486, 256K cache > Max 128 mb, 3x EISA, 2x VL-BS, 4x ISA $869 $769 $539 > "supports" overdrive and P24T ready w/ > ZIF socket. Says its upgradeable to > faster CPUs w/ crystal & CPU Change > (wonder if it'll go with DX3/99? :-) Aberdeen 1-800-552-6868 >-Medium Tower, 230W Power $89 (Net Comp, above) >-Teac TEA-9075 3.5 FD $53 (NC) >-Digital case display kit (what is this?) $10 (NC) This is a kit, I think, that gives you that display on the case... (i.e. "66" or "50" or "33" etc....."200" ;-) >-129 Key Focuse 9000 Keyboard (or any) $73 (NC) > Adaptec 1542C SCSI (single user) $229 InTech (1-800-766-7917,p74 June93) Is this the right one? It's IDE ^^^ ISA, but I get the point. > so slower than EISA, but cheaper >-Fujitsu 530MB SCSI HD (3.5HH) $769 (Plexus 1-800-285-6841) >-ATI Ultra Pro VLB w/ 2MB VRAM $420.00 Dee One Sys 1-800-831-8808 > ADI 5A 17 Digital $899.00 (aberdeen) > (what does digital mean here?) "digital" means that there is a little, fairly-cool, display on the monitor case, that lets you select different resolutions... I am not sure about this... >-SupraFAX Modem 14.4 $269 (see above) >-Dexxa Mouse (or any other) $69 (Fast micro, 1-800-441-3278) > 16 MB RAM $480.00 ($120/4mb) 70ns (access comp. > 800-332-3778) > >Total: $4160 > compare with $4425 above. > >So my ram is cheaper & the motherboard appears to be better. > >I don't need the modem (save $269), but I need more ram ($120 = 4 more meg) > >New total $4011 (vs $4286 using my cheaper componets on previous >system). Still should have fast color. To really save money: > >buy a less expensive hard drive. (MicroPolis 676MB 5.25 FH, 15ms) $699 > HI-TECH Asset Recovery 1-805-966-2354 > (that seems to be a really good hd price on the fuji above) > > >I don't need the disk, since I already have a 660 meg Fuji > (saves $769) >Buy a cheaper monitor? (get the 15" ADI 4G 1280x1024 .28mm ($459)) I, personally, would not recomend buying a small (<16") monitor. Just because it is going to be hard to see icons at 1024x768 on a 14 or 15" monitor. > >So, for $2802 I can be in business. (not including shipping). > >That is (just barely!) in my price range. Doesn't include NS3.0/fip > >If the rumors of $450 edu prices are right (did you see the posting in >french about that?) Then I can afford it. Barely. > > >One more system: The Intel GX system that was advertised by ANDI >for $2335 I think?) what would I need: > > Monitor: $459 (what kind of adapter does it have?) > Mouse: $69 > KeyBoard: $73 > 12mg ram: $360 (for a total of 20 meg). What's the max on the GX? > ext. box for my Scis Disk: $100 > > total: 2335+1061 = $3396. yes, it has a sound card. But, it > has a small cache (64k vs 256k), probably can't be expanded, > has no isa slots. > >The second example I showed is good because it: > > can hold more isa, eisa, or local bus cards, so after I get rich > I can add a eisa scsi controller or maybe a local bus one. > I can add more cache. I can add a local bus, eisa, or isa > sound card. I can upgrade the monitor (but lose big money probably). > >If other people think this looks good, I would be willing to volunteer >to call up these guys and ask for a group rate... > >I'd also like to know if it would not work for sure, or if someone has >such a system. > >I'm more and more convinced this is the way to go, since its so cheap and >expandable. > >Please tell me what people think. > > > >-nick >kline@cs.arizona.edu About the sound card... I think Steve said "If you want sound... get EISA" since they are having problems with ISA cards... I think it is an ISA fault, not a NS problem. Anyone else have suggestions? -nate /---------------------------+======================================\ | "I hate quotations. | This message brought you by | | Tell me what you know." | Nate Sammons, and the number 42. | | --Ralph Waldo Emerson | nate@VIS.ColoState.Edu | \---------------------------+======================================/
From: tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HARDWARE specifically FOR NS/FIP Message-ID: <F0wN4B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 93 17:52:02 CDT References: <May16.203855.45412@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Organization: TCS Consulting Services ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) writes: > > About the sound card... I think Steve said "If you want sound... get EISA" > since they are having problems with ISA cards... I think it is an ISA > fault, not a NS problem. The problem is an ISA bus problem, not ISA card or NS. The sound card supported for NS/i at the Expo will be the Pro Audio Spectrm 16 (From MEDIA VISION). Plug the card into an EISA slot and the ISA card works much better. I also have a line of systems for NS/i. Send E=Mail to tcs-systems-info@tcscs.com for the current prices.. The prices change quite a bit too...so if you see a system your interested in, but the price seems high, let me know.. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS Systems: TCS-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: NS/FIP Hardware Deal Found Message-ID: <bchin.737604859@nextsrv1> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1993May12.114852.7471@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> <timm.737460609@zaphod> <May15.200328.57163@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> <39918@optima.cs.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 02:14:19 GMT kline@cs.arizona.edu (Nick Kline) writes: >One more system: The Intel GX system that was advertised by ANDI >for $2335 I think?) what would I need: > Monitor: $459 (what kind of adapter does it have?) > Mouse: $69 > KeyBoard: $73 > 12mg ram: $360 (for a total of 20 meg). What's the max on the GX? > ext. box for my Scis Disk: $100 > total: 2335+1061 = $3396. yes, it has a sound card. But, it > has a small cache (64k vs 256k), probably can't be expanded, > has no isa slots. Just to clear up the Intel Professional GX info & pricing: Intel Professional GX 486/66DX2 $2400 (ANDI pricing) comes with 128k cache (better than most vendor's 256k designs), 8mb RAM expandable to 128mb, 2 EISA slots, 1 ISA slot, 1 1.44mb floppy, local bus ATI Mach32 video w/ 2mb VRAM, local bus IDE, local bus Intel 48khz 16bit sound system (driver not yet available), local bus Adaptec SCSI (no driver yet), PS/2 mouse port, PS/2 keyboard port, dual fans, slab form factor, P24T socket Minimum configuration: 2 x 4mb interleaved SIMMs for a total of 16mb $ 230 cheap mouse & keyboard $ 100 15 or 16" 1024x768 NI color monitor $ 600 120mb IDE hard drive $ 220 Total: $3550 Typical office user configuration: 2 x 4mb interleaved SIMMs for a total of 16mb $ 230 Mouse + keyboard $ 140 decent 17" 1024x768 NI color monitor $ 800 240mb IDE hard drive $ 310 Intel EtherExpress $ 125 Total: $4005 Developer/Power User configuration: 4 x 8mb interleaved SIMMs minus 2 4mb SIMMs $ 700 (total 32mb) mouse + keyboard $ 140 NEC 5FG or equivalent $1200 Fujitsu 530MB SCSI HD (3.5HH) $ 750 DPT 2012B-95 SCSI controller $ 499 ANDI members get better pricing than $499 Intel EtherExpress $ 125 Total: $5814 The Intel Professional GX is *on* the NeXT compatibility guide. It's internal HD bay is only a 3.5 x 1", otherwise the ISA slot is blocked. It's the closest thing to a NeXTstation turbo on the PC clone market. Also, you must join ANDI in order to qualify for ANDI discounts. Contact Bill Strehl (bill@nextsrv1.andi.org) for more info. Also look at the C&T Wingine based systems (Epson Progression & Lucky Goldstar). The C&T Wingine is a little faster than the ATI Mach32, and it supports a hardware cursor (no cursor jumping). However, both of these machines have only localbus video & ISA slots. No EISA or VL-bus for other subsystems. See you at Expo! -- Bill Chin, NeXTSTEP Developer, PRC Inc. VP Communications, Washington Area NeXT Users Group Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Technical Staff bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) Subject: Odd SCSI behavior Message-ID: <1993May15.225502.173@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 22:55:02 GMT I've noticed a couple times (in this case, with a PLI SuperFloppy 2.8) that if I have a SCSI device plugged into my cube, but the external device is not plugged in (or not turned on), that I get System Exceptions or hangs when the cube boots. If I plug the device in (or turn it on) and then boot, things work OK. So, it seems I have things terminated properly, and my cable is no more than 6' long so that seems kosher. This doesn't happen with my NeXT CDRom drive. Have you seen this (if so, please tell me so I know I'm not the only one going off the deep end! =) Anyone know if there's anything one can do about it? Thanks in advance, \david john burrowes death@kira.net.netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Sick slab Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 06:50:38 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Keywords: error messages, mortality Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993May17.065038.1797@tkymail.sps.mot.com> My NTSC 33mHz with 32meg RAM and 400meg HD under NS3.0 won't boot. "Exception #3 (0xc) at pc 0x1080616 sp 0x40006000" or sometimes "Exception #2 (0x8) at pc 0x10019d6 sp 0x7ff6f2 fault addr 0x2106006" Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail]8) at pc 0x10019d6 sp 0x7ff6f2 fault addr 0x2106006" Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorol
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) Subject: Fan died - Is my slab irrepairably damaged? Message-ID: <1993May17.135217.2558@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 13:52:17 GMT Well after about three weeks of erratic behavior from a slab that I purchased used, I discovered that the fan has died. I don't know when or why. The erratic behavior took the form of ethernet problems and unexplained lockups. My cube was unable to boot from, or get files from, my slab except when the slab was dead cold. In addition after 24 to 48 hours of operation, by slab would lock up to the point that I couldn't even get it to respond to non-maskable interrupt requests, <cmd><cmd>*. Well, I'm trying to get another fan. Since ethernet would work toler- ably when the slab was cold ( until it heated up ), I'm hoping that the problems will solve themselves when a new fan is installed. My question is: How likely is it that irrepairable damage has been done to the machine, and how can I test it? In addition, is there anything about the fan that I need to be careful about? I was just planning to purchase a fan if similar size, voltage, and amperage. Finally, does anyone know if the fan was installed to suck air into the slab, through the vanes under the power supply, or to blow air our of the slab, over the vanes? God I hope the machine is all right! There is no way I can afford what Motorola will charge to repair the machine. - Max | William R. Herndon \ The MITRE Corporation, Dept. G023 | | EMail: wherndon@mitre.org \ Secure Information Technology | | NeXTMail: <out of order> \ MS-Z231, 703.883.6393 | | | | "The world bores you when you're cool." - Calvin |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: root@rafa.in-berlin.de(Ralf Neumann) Subject: CD-Rom Apple150/NeXT HELP!!!!!!! Message-ID: <1993May15.162641.598@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: root@rafa.in-berlin.de (Operator) Organization: no Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 16:26:41 GMT Hello! I just bought a Apple CD-Rom-Player and it's working fine with Data CD's. My problem is that it is impossible to play any music CD's with the CDPlayer.app:-( Who can help my (I know that it is possible but how?)???? Thanks in advance Ralf %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|* %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: seungwoo@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Seung-Woo Kim) Subject: HP DeskJet 500 with NeXT Message-ID: <seungwoo.737672707@hecto> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 21:05:07 GMT I just received DeskJet 500 this morning, and trying to get it work. I ftp'ed djf_for_3.0.tar.Z from sonata. Before I install it, I wanted to make sure the communication line is ok, so I did: cat <an ascii file> > /dev/ttyfb Of course, I connected the cable between serial port B and the printer. As I understand it, it should print something (at least a garbage), but it is just sitting idle. I suspect that something is wrong with the cable but the former owner gave me the solemn word that it worked for him. I am wondering what might have gone wrong. Anybody got it work on NeXTstation NS3.0? Any help will be greatly appreciated.. I am just about to pull my hair out. Thanks. Seung-Woo
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Quick SUMMARY: DELL demos NeXTSTEP on their JAWS system Date: 17 May 1993 18:23:48 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1t8l7kINN28m@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Last Thursday at MIT, DELL corporation gave a day long demo of NeXTSTEP for Intel running on their JAWS Powerline 2-DGX system. They also gave demos of their new server system. The run-down: -The system had a 21-inch color monitor with 1280*1024 resolution. -24 MEGS of memory -500 Meg hard drive -50Mhz DX/2 Intel Microprocessor -JAWS Grahics card -Ehternet and SCSI ports -No Sound Card -List Price (not including NeXTSTEP): ~$5200 for above system -Educational users get about 7% discount off of that DELL said that they will be pre-loading NeXTSTEP on their systems starting the first day it is released - May 25. They already have the final released version ready to go. DELL is working on accounts with Fannie Mae and other big financial and corporate customers for NeXTSTEP on their systems. Performance Comments: This system was very fast. The graphics were as fast as a Color Turbo system. The computing performance was as fast as a Color Turbo. Therefore, the 66Mhz chips will be faster than the 50Mhz chip that was being used at the demo. The beta version of NeXTSTEP that they were using to demo with was an old one, a few months before the last pre-release. Nonetheless, it was very stable. NeXTSTEP/Intel, for those of you who have not seen it, is remarkably the same as NeXTSTEP on NeXT. Even down to the preferences panel. The only differences present are that the INtel version cannot power down through software. I would highly recommend the DELL JAWS system because of its excellent graphics performance. DELL Contact People: David J. Morris Account Rep. 508-586-5576 800-274-7799 x4468 Greg Santrock Tech. Sales Rep. 512-338-8441 800-926-7595 (FAX) DELL Computer 9505 Arboretum Blvd. Austin, Texas 78759-7299 -Eric Hermanson
From: mwgst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Michael W Groff) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT CD with Macintosh Message-ID: <11723@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 17 May 93 23:23:17 GMT Sender: news+@pitt.edu Organization: University of Pittsburgh Is it possible to use the NeXT CD drive with a macintosh? What driver do you use? BTW, I'm trying to connect it to a Powerbook 160. Thanks, -- michael groff Medical Student mwg@med.pitt.edu (Please use this address)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: bebeada@elof.iit.edu (Adam Beberg) Subject: NeXTSTep on the Alpha CPU ???? Message-ID: <1993May18.004143.18245@iitmax.iit.edu> Summary: Any rumered plans for NS for the Alpha Keywords: nextstep alpha Sender: Adam Beberg Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago Date: Tue, 18 May 93 00:41:43 GMT forgive me if this question has been addressed... Does NeXT have any plans to port to the Alpha chip.... from what i have heard about the Alpha's capabilities...*drool* plus the best OS known to man.... would be the most powerful and user/programmer friendly machine in existance ......well?...... Adam Beberg bebeada@elof.iit.edu NeXTMail welcome :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dskinner@teal.csn.org (David Skinner) Subject: Laser Printer for NeXT Message-ID: <dskinner.737741528@teal> Sender: news@csn.org (The Daily Planet) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 16:12:08 GMT Could someone direct me to the FAQ for (non-NeXT) laser printers for my NeXT workstation? I am interested in a laser printer for about $2000 or less that is fully compatible with my NeXT workstation with a minimum of interface hardware/software. Feel free to reply directly to me by email, or post to this group. Many thanks. Peter J. Meza meza@ramtron.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eric_wespestad@il.us.swissbank.com Subject: 1250MB Fujitsu 3.5" 10MB/s Fast SCSI-2 Drive Message-ID: <1993May18.154944.26793@il.us.swissbank.com> Keywords: SCSI-2 Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 15:49:44 GMT Has anyone managed to successfully connect the following as an external drive on a Monochrome Non-Turbo 68040 Station? Fujitsu 3.5" M2694ESA/EHA Winchester Drive Capacity: 1250MB (Unformatted), 1080MB (Formatted) 10 MB/s Fast SCSI-2 Interface I was wondering if the Fast SCSI-2 Interface presented a problem. Your email responses would be appreciated at: ericw@mjolnir.com Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) Subject: Progression NX seems fastest Message-ID: <1993May19.014043.17312@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine Date: Wed, 19 May 93 01:40:43 GMT I was at a user group member's shop the other day with my Epson Progression NX. He's got a Dell 486DX/50 with a JAWS card, a Gateway 486DX2/66 with the ATI VL-Bus card, and a Compaq with an unknown 486 CPU with a QVision card. The Progression with the Wingine seems the fastest in running NS/FIP. The Dell had better screen resolution, of course, but for raw graphics performance the Epson was definitely faster. Surprisingly, the Compaq was quite usable. Though the image was only 800 x 600, it would be a good machine for a user desktop. Kris "I'll appear in a cameo in the next _Wild Palms_" Magnusson Chair, SLaNG -- Yan-Fang Magnusson <yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu> Nuclear-powered philosophy student <Give me $20 or kill me>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Motherboards for NS/I Message-ID: <1993May18.172318.12058@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center Date: Tue, 18 May 93 17:23:18 GMT I understand that some motherboards are not compatable with NS even though they are EISA or ISA. The Royal systems use a motherboard from Companion and I would like to know if anyone has experience with this motherboard under NS/I -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: ccx009@rowan.coventry.ac.uk (Adam Bentley) Subject: HP Laserjet IV with NextStation Turbo Message-ID: <C79qqD.71u@cck.coventry.ac.uk> Followup-To: poster Sender: news@cck.coventry.ac.uk (news user) Organization: Coventry University Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 10:06:11 GMT Please.... has anyone out there got an HPLJ4 hooked into a NextStation Turbo Colour and is able to print. We can't seem to get a cable that works. No flow control seems to be seen by the NextStation although the LJ is sending loads of Xon/Off signals. Any help appreciated, with all the pin assignments if possible. -- _ /-\dam FLESH: Adam Bentley (Fraggle), Systems/Networking, Coventry University. UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kocks@netcom.com (Peter Kocks) Subject: NeXT SCSI CD-ROM on PC hardware? Message-ID: <kocksC7A8yt.627@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 16:40:05 GMT I have a NeXT SCSI CD-ROM drive and I want to use it on a PC I'm going to buy. I have three basic questions. 1) Will and ISA SCSI driver work or do I need to be careful about which SCSI card to buy? 2) Will I be able to use my CD-ROM drive under NeXTStep/i ? The answer better be yes!!! 3) Will I be able to use my CD-ROM drive under Windows3.1/DOS-6.0 ? Thanks to all who reply! --Peter Kocks kocks@chemistry.Stanford.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: monheit@decatur.stanford.edu (Mark Monheit) Subject: noisy slab (should I worry?) Message-ID: <MONHEIT.93May19102132@decatur.stanford.edu> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: Psychology Department, Stanford U. Date: 19 May 93 10:21:32 In the past week, the fan/disk noise from my color slab (16/400) seems to have increased and gotten a bit higher in pitch. While I haven't noticed any strange functioning, I'm wondering if I should be worried about this. Are there any simple checks/adjustments that I can do myself? Thanks. Mark Monheit monheit@psych.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dekorte@ibm8.scri.fsu.edu (Stephen L. DeKorte) Subject: Upgrading and 030 Sender: usenet@mailer.cc.fsu.edu Organization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 18:38:10 GMT Message-ID: <C7AEFn.4Gt@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> What do I need to do to upgrade my 030 Cube to an 040 Cube? Get a new mother board? Where can I get what I need? Thanks for any info, Steve
From: mgrlhc@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Lans H Carstensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ZyXEL U1946 Date: 20 May 1993 02:50:29 GMT Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Distribution: world Message-ID: <1terllINNt84@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Keywords: zyxel, modem Hi there! Could someone please send me the exact differences between the various models of the ZyXEL U1496 series of modems, and the supported means of upgrading the rom? (from what I understand, this is fairly important) Also, it might be a good idea to post this information to cs.orst.edu in the pub/next/ProductsIndex directory, so that it is more easily found. If no one offers, I will compile and send whatever I receive. Thanks! Lans Carstensen carstelh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu mgrlhc@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu RHIT Class of 1995 IFYCSEM NeXT Developer WCC Asst. Networking Manager
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Disk performance checker? Message-ID: <1993May20.085554.10950@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 20 May 93 08:55:54 GMT Hi- Does anyone know of a disk bandwidth testing program? I would be interested in doing some performance measures on a Turbo vs. non-Turbo NeXT. Thanks, Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de (Ralf Neumann) Subject: CD-ROMApple150/NeXT HELP Message-ID: <1993May18.151527.11404@rafa.in-berlin.de> Sender: ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de Organization: no Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 15:15:27 GMT Hello! Thanks a lot for your replies on my posting: >I just bought a Apple CD-Rom-Player and it's working fine with Data CD's. >My problem is that it is impossible to play any music CD's with the >CDPlayer.app:-( Still it's not working! It was a clear thing that I have to listen to Audio CD's over the line outputs of the CD Player. But the problem is that the CDPlayer.app is not able to recognize Audio CD's so it can't display the titles and naturally I can't listen to them. Who can help my (I know that it is possible but how?)???? Thanks in advance Ralf %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% *| Ralf Neumann | ralf@rafa.in-berlin.de | Try NeXTmail please! |* *| ************ | Voice +49 30 / 321 78 84 | Fax +49 30 / 321 28 68|* %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
From: mek@guinan.psu.edu (Mark E. Kotanchek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Modem Cable for NeXTstation Date: 20 May 1993 18:10:18 GMT Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Message-ID: <1tghia$do@genesis.ait.psu.edu> Keywords: modem,RS-232,serial Does anyone know where one can get a modem cable for the NeXTstation, or which Mac/other system modem cable will work correctly? Thanks. -- Mark Kotanchek Guidance & Control Dept - 363 ASB Applied Research Lab/Penn State P.O. Box 30 State College, PA 16804
From: dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Terminal problems Date: 20 May 1993 14:13:13 GMT Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tg3lp$3ff@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> I just picked up an ampex 230 terminal and am trying to hook it up to my NeXT computer. I was wondering if there is anything special one had to do to get the thing to work. I have set the term to be ampex.. I did the kill -HUP 1... I get nothing but: copyright 1984,1985 amaitix & associates inc. 005436 copyright 1983 ampex corporation rom level 1.2p term 1 adr 04 spd 01 term 2 adr of printer adr 06 spd 02 typ 02 I am pretty lost and anything anything can do to steer me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Donald F. Bora | | | The Institute for the Learning Sciences | . | O | Northwestern University | (--|--) Evanston, Ill | | e-mail: dbora@ils.nwu.edu | / \ work: (708) 467-1972 | --------Be excellent to each other--------
From: hacker@access.digex.net (Dark Hacker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: NeXT CD ROM on a Mac (one more time)... Date: 20 May 1993 16:33:33 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Message-ID: <1tgput$cqb@access.digex.net> Ok here's the scoop.... I've got a NeXT CD ROM drive (which is supposedly an Apple CD ROM 150 drive) which I'm trying to connect to my Mac so that I can read Mac CD ROM disks. I installed the Mac CD ROM driver version 3.0.2 (something like that) into my System Folder and terminated the SCSI chain. When I boot, however, the CD ROM Init extensions are either not loaded or the Mac does not recognize the NeXT drive as being an appropriate Apple CD ROM drive. I get an Alert that says either the extensions didn't load or I need to turn on the CD ROM drive. I suspect that the NeXT firmware is different from Apple's and thus the Mac doesn't recognize the drive as even being a valid SCSI device. So is there something I'm doing wrong here or do I need some third party driver software to make this work? I would think that the NeXT CD ROM drive would work fine ... except for some kind of firmware differences I can't fathom it. Anyone out there experienced the same problems? Or solved this problem? - Hacker -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!" -- Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us "Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) Subject: Reading Sun floppies Message-ID: <1993May20.203234.7863@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 20:32:34 GMT There are a couple of Sun IPX workstations around here, and I need to transfer files from them to our NeXTs. The Suns have floppies, and tape drives, but my NeXTs don't have tape. Currently, I'm modeming files over, but most of the files I transfer are pretty big, so it's not all that practical. I was wondering if there was anything around that I could use to read Sun formatted floppies from a NeXT. Many thanks! You'll be saving me from tying up the phone lines. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eugene Mah ----> eugene@uaneuro.uah.ualberta.ca (NeXT-Mail) grad student/sys admin "How sweet to be a Cloud Department of Radiology Floating in the Blue University of Alberta Hospitals It makes him very proud Edmonton, Alberta, Canada To be a little cloud"
From: Seth Ruffins <sr2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Modem Cable for NeXTstation Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 17:09:51 -0400 Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <wfyzCT_00WBNQ5MXV2@andrew.cmu.edu> References: <1tghia$do@genesis.ait.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1tghia$do@genesis.ait.psu.edu> I got my modem cable through NeXTConnetion, 9 Mill St, Marlow, NH 03456 Tele: 1-800-800-NEXT. Seth Ruffins
From: danno@css.itd.umich.edu (Daniel T. Pritts) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXTSTep on the Alpha CPU ???? Date: 20 May 1993 22:18:42 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support Message-ID: <1th042$cb0@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> References: <1993May18.004143.18245@iitmax.iit.edu> Adam Beberg writes > forgive me if this question has been addressed... > > Does NeXT have any plans to port to the Alpha chip.... > > from what i have heard about the Alpha's capabilities...*drool* you heard right. the stats dept here has an alpha (not sure of model) running osf/1. The thing is just blazingly fast; it scored about twice as high on some CPU benchmarks (dhrystones, etc) as our sparcstation 10/41, which is already really really fast. -- dan pritts consultant/system administrator dan.pritts@umich.edu um itd/css unix support group 313/998-6265
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware From: samuel@chpc.utexas.edu (Samuel R. Oliveira) Subject: Hard disk with OS 3.1 installed. Want to buy Message-ID: <1993May21.000107.6429@chpc.utexas.edu> Followup-To: poster Keywords: buy hard disk OS installed Organization: The University of Texas System CHPC Date: Fri, 21 May 93 00:01:07 GMT I had a bad block problem in my 200MB internal hard disk and can not boot from it. Since I do not have any other NeXT machine around ( Ithink this is the only NeXTstation in South America!) nor any other device to boot from, I may have to replace the internal hard disk. The machine was running the OS 2.1. Now I'd like to have the OS 3.1 already installed - If this is possible anyhow. Can someone ;tell me where can I buy this hard disk, internal or external with about 300MB? If the installed OS is not possible, I could borrow a CD-ROM to install it. But I'd like to have the appropriated cabel, pin connection, etc, ready. Please e-mail me any answer or tip. It is too dificult to read news from the other sid of the equator. Thanks, Samuel samuel@lccfis.unb.br (prefered)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: fsdlk@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: NeXT dimension board/Mpeg Compression Message-ID: <1993May20.190424.1@aurora.alaska.edu> Sender: news@raven.alaska.edu (USENET News System) Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 03:04:24 GMT Does anyone know if anything about how the NeXT dimension board handles memory, and/or if the NeXT dimension board supports a mpeg compression chip? Please give me any information you can on this, thanks!! Bitnet: Fsdlk@alaska Internet: Fsdlk@acad3.alaska.edu NeXT Mail: fxdlk@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ ........... ....... . . . ~ ~ . . . Nasha tai no kasei! . . ~ ~ ... ....... . . ~ ~ . . Prosperity and Long Life, To You. ~ ~ .... xisting . hantom . . ~ ~ . . ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ ~ Q
From: slv0y@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Strange boot problems, can't reboot cleanly Message-ID: <1993May21.004023.68246@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 May 93 00:40:23 MDT Organization: Utah State University I am having some strange boot problems. When I boot in verbose mode I get the following odd messages: syslogd: unknown priority name " debug /usr/adm/auth.log":Inappropriate ioctl for device And later on I get: iocservd [154]: LoadConfig(): /usr/etc//usr/etc/iocservd.config, No such file or directory I was alerted that something might be wrong when my machine wouldn't boot. It I lock up for some reason and use cmd-cmd-~ and then r to reboot, nothing happens. The pointer disappears and the machine just sits there. It I try it again, it immediately reboots, doing a dirty shutdown and it has to go through all of the check disk stuff. If I use the /etc/reboot command it seems to reboot O.K. I can't power off cleanly either. Does any kind guru out there have any idea what is going on with my system? I just know that something tragic is going to happen one of these days if I don't get this taken care of. Any help would be greatly appreciated. John Z. slv0y@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: amon@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Laurent Amon) Subject: Need help with DJ500 and djf_for_3.0 Message-ID: <amon.737979396@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: help Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA Date: 21 May 93 10:16:36 GMT (Excuse me if you see this twice, the first post seems not to have left my main site) Hi folks, I just got access to a DJ500 and installed the djf_for_3.0 driver. Now, I don't have the specifs for the cable yet, so the DJ is on a PC and I'm simply using djf as a filter, and printing on the PC via frisbee network. I'm having problems printing PS files. Text files print all right, albeit in compressed characters. Unfortunately, I don't have a DJ documentation at hand, so I'll have to rely on the Net's goodwill. The Problem: NeXTstation , NS 3.0. PC (386SX, DOS 5.something) DJ500, European (A4) Printing ops are as follows: djf < t.ps > a.out mcopy a.out a: (using mtools, binary mode) go to the PC and print a:a.out Now, if t.ps were a text file, printing would be OK. As it is a PS file, only the first few pixel lines print correctly, and then the printer starts giving out garbage (strange characters, like a bitmap flow interpreted as text). The Question(s): 1/ Am I doing Anything wrong? 2/ Could a kind soul give me the cabling schema for the NeXT? 3/ Could somebody give me the correct settings (and maybe the meaning) of the DIP switches on the DJ? As I won't be able to put my hand on a DJ documentation for 15 days or so, any help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Lga. --- Laurent Amon | e-mail: amon@lix.polytechnique.fr | So far, the universe is winning. amon@cs.stanford.edu |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) Subject: Re: NeXT CD ROM on a Mac (one more time)...What about a floppy Message-ID: <1993May21.145924.26572@seas.smu.edu> Sender: news@seas.smu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas References: <1tgput$cqb@access.digex.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 14:59:24 GMT What about the Pli SuperFloppy drives? Since they are basic SCSI disk drives, could one theoretically hook it up to a Mac or PC and just use it? David
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT CD ROM on a Mac (one more time)...What about a floppy Date: 21 May 1993 15:52:57 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1titsp$4oi@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993May21.145924.26572@seas.smu.edu> In article <1993May21.145924.26572@seas.smu.edu> dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) writes: #What about the Pli SuperFloppy drives? Since they are basic SCSI disk drives, #could one theoretically hook it up to a Mac or PC and just use it? # #David Apple uses a slightly different set of SCSI commands for its SCSI devices. Apple devices will have a different set of firmware than generic vendors. Usually, an Apple SCSI device will work "ok" on non Apple hardware, but generic devices usually _won't_ work on Apple hardware, unless you get the firmware changed.... Don't blame NeXT or anyone else.... Blame Apple... -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: ran@nada.kth.se (Ragnar Andersson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT CD ROM on a Mac (one more time)... Message-ID: <1993May21.155110.21692@kth.se> Date: 21 May 93 15:51:10 GMT References: <1tgput$cqb@access.digex.net> Sender: usenet@kth.se (Usenet) Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, NADA Dark Hacker writes > Ok here's the scoop.... I've got a NeXT CD ROM drive (which is supposedly > an Apple CD ROM 150 drive) which I'm trying to connect to my Mac so > that I can read Mac CD ROM disks. I installed the Mac CD ROM driver > version 3.0.2 (something like that) into my System Folder and terminated > the SCSI chain. When I boot, however, the CD ROM Init extensions are > either not loaded or the Mac does not recognize the NeXT drive as being > an appropriate Apple CD ROM drive. I get an Alert that says either the > extensions didn't load or I need to turn on the CD ROM drive. > > I suspect that the NeXT firmware is different from Apple's and thus > the Mac doesn't recognize the drive as even being a valid SCSI device. > > So is there something I'm doing wrong here or do I need some third party > driver software to make this work? I would think that the NeXT CD ROM > drive would work fine ... except for some kind of firmware differences > I can't fathom it. > > Anyone out there experienced the same problems? Or solved this problem? Not being a Mac-person myself I heard the Mac-guys here discuss this a while ago. If I remember it correctly the Mac driver is *very* fuzzy about which CD ROM-drives it considers worthy talking to - only allowing CD ROM-drives that have Apple-firmware. They did not manage to get around this, but I don't know how hard they tried. Maybe you should try posting this to some of the Mac newsgroups (or did you already do that?) Not much help, sorry, Ragnar
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT CD ROM on a Mac (one more time)...What about a floppy Message-ID: <1993May21.120224.395@nhqvax.hq.nasa.gov> From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) Date: 21 May 93 12:02:23 +0600 Message-ID: <1993May21.145924.26572@seas.smu.edu> Sender: news@seas.smu.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: zebra.seas.smu.edu Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas References: <1tgput$cqb@access.digex.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 14:59:24 GMT Lines: 5 Xref: skates.gsfc.nasa.gov comp.sys.next.hardware:1551 comp.sys.mac.hardware:14318 What about the Pli SuperFloppy drives? Since they are basic SCSI disk drives, could one theoretically hook it up to a Mac or PC and just use it? David
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT CD ROM on a Mac (one more time)...What about a floppy Message-ID: <1993May21.121417.713@vaxsar.vassar.edu> From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon) Date: 21 May 93 12:14:16 +1000 Message-ID: <1993May21.145924.26572@seas.smu.edu> Sender: news@seas.smu.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: zebra.seas.smu.edu Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas References: <1tgput$cqb@access.digex.net> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 14:59:24 GMT Lines: 5 What about the Pli SuperFloppy drives? Since they are basic SCSI disk drives, could one theoretically hook it up to a Mac or PC and just use it? David
From: jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu (Jeff Hite) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: "Black" Hardware Service Date: 21 May 1993 20:23:48 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Message-ID: <1tjdok$801@pith.uoregon.edu> USA hardware service has been purchased by Bell Atlantic, this is their first full week of operations so some things are still up in the air. They will be supporting the Authorized Service Centers and are selling extended warranty contracts. I don't know how this impacts current warranty contracts. Contact them at 800.499.6398 Jeff Hite Computing Center U of Oregon jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu NeXT mail ok
From: enf@cisco.com (Eric Fronberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Next printer cable Date: 21 May 1993 20:26:39 GMT Organization: cisco Systems, Inc., Menlo Park, Ca. Message-ID: <1tjdtvINNpvc@cronkite.cisco.com> I've just purchased a Next printer that came without the 9 pin cable. I had the oppurtunity to buzz out a printer cable and it looked from what I could tell, like a straight through shielded 9 pin cable with 9 pin D male connectors. If I go down to my favorite cable store and buy a 10ft cable as described above will that work properly with my printer or is there some other hidden gotcha that might bite me? Thanks! --eric enf@cisco.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us Subject: Cable for Next Printer Message-ID: <1993May21.200932.6134@steggie.mtview.ca.us> Keywords: printer cable Sender: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us Organization: Mountain View, Ca USA Distribution: na Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 20:09:32 GMT I've just purchased a Next Printer that does not inculde the 9 pin cable. I looked and one and took the time to buzz it out and it looks just like a straight Shielded 9 pin D cable. Is that true? Can I just go down to my local cable store and pick up a 10 foot cable or is there something hidden gotcha that will bite me if I do this? Thanks, -- eric -------------------------------------------------------------- | Eric Fronberg | email: eric@steggie.mtview.ca.us | | Mountain View CA | ...!{sun,sgi,ultra}!steggie!eric | | 415 967-2748 | vmail: "Hey, you!" | --------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dgursky@andi.org (David M. Gursky) Subject: Re: Reading Sun floppies Message-ID: <C7DLpu.Awn@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: usenet@nextsrv1.andi.org (usenet) Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1993May20.203234.7863@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 12:08:16 GMT Both the Sun and the NeXT have the capability to read DOS floppies. On the Sun, mount the floppy using the -pcfs (PC File System) option. In article <1993May20.203234.7863@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) writes: > There are a couple of Sun IPX workstations around here, and I need to > transfer files from them to our NeXTs. The Suns have floppies, and tape > drives, but my NeXTs don't have tape. Currently, I'm modeming files over, > but most of the files I transfer are pretty big, so it's not all that > practical. > > I was wondering if there was anything around that I could use to read Sun > formatted floppies from a NeXT. > > Many thanks! You'll be saving me from tying up the phone lines.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware From: ali@elm.uucp (Ali Sidani) Subject: Help!! File System FULL Message-ID: <1993May22.162821.7977@cs.ucf.edu> Sender: news@cs.ucf.edu (News system) Organization: Intelligent Simulation and Training Systems Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 16:28:21 GMT Hi, I have a NeXTStation 8/200 with NS 3.0. I was running some programs and it hanged. I tried to reboot then after the checking disk said "File system clean", it gave the following error. /: File system full IO error on pageout: error = 28 vnode_pageout: failed! How can I correct this problem? I need to delete some files on the system, but how can I get access to the harddisk? Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Please reply ASAP :-( thanks ali
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Subject: Re: Help!! File System FULL In-Reply-To: ali@elm.uucp's message of Sat, 22 May 1993 16:28:21 GMT Message-ID: <KARTHY.93May22204008@dannug.dannug.dk> Sender: news@dannug.dk (Usenet news owner) Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group References: <1993May22.162821.7977@cs.ucf.edu> Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 19:40:08 GMT >>>>> On Sat, 22 May 1993 16:28:21 GMT, ali@elm.uucp (Ali Sidani) said: Ali> Hi, Ali> I have a NeXTStation 8/200 with NS 3.0. I was running some programs Ali> and it hanged. I tried to reboot then after the checking disk said Ali> "File system clean", it gave the following error. Ali> /: File system full Ali> IO error on pageout: error = 28 Ali> vnode_pageout: failed! Ali> How can I correct this problem? I need to delete some files on the system, Ali> but how can I get access to the harddisk? Ali> Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Ali> Please reply ASAP :-( You has been offer to the usual problem. The swapfile has grown beyond bounds and filled the harddisk to mush. There is only one thing to do: boot from another device like CD, floppy or borrow another harddisk, then remove the swapfile (/private/vm/swapfile) and reboot. To ensure that it will not happen again, you can install a highwater mark in /etc/swaptab - take a look at the manual page. Good luck, Karsten.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: shill@ccsi.com (Sean L. Hill) Subject: ALR Pentium machines (LONG) Message-ID: <1993May22.144213.1462@ccsi.com> Sender: shill@ccsi.com Organization: Crystal Computer Systems, Inc. Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 14:42:13 GMT Here are some machines that could be fun to run NEXTSTEP on .... And oh but the prices... (see below) ALR EVOLUTION V Processor Design: Intel Pentium Processor running at 60-MHz 64-bit data path, internal math coprocessor and dual 8-KB Cache System Bus Architecture: 16-Bit Industry Standard Architecture (ISA) with 64-bit Memory/Data Path between processor, external cache and memory Standard Memory: 8-MB RAM Memory Expansion: Up to 128-MB on System Board External Cache: Integrated 256-KB Read/Write-Back Cache Integrated Connectivity: Integrated Ethernet (AMD PC-NetISA) with 10Base-T and 10Base-2 Connections (option available at time of purchase, not a field upgrade) Optional VL Adapters: Western Digital (WD90C31-VL) 1-MB DRAM Local Bus Video Adapter ATI Mach32 (68800 chipset) 1-MB VRAM Local Bus Video Adapter Optional Monitors: FlexVIEW 3X NI, (SVGA 14" Monitor Multi-Scan, Non-Interlaced) FlexVIEW 4X NI, (SVGA 17" Monitor Multi-Scan, Non-Interlaced) CD-ROM: Internal high-speed CD-ROM (Selected Models) Hard Drive Controller: ALR MULTUS (High Performance Multi-Seek) IDE Controller Supporting Up To Four IDE Hard Drives Standard Hard Drives: 170-MB, 240-MB and 340-MB IDE Hard Drives Floppy Controller: Integrated floppy controller (supporting up to two floppies) Floppy Drive: 1.44-MB 3.5" floppy drive Total Expansion Slots: Six: 16-bit ISA slots (three with 32-bit VESA VL-bus extensions) Total Storage Bays: Six: two half-height 5.25" and four 3.5" devices Software: MS DOS 6.0; Windows 3.1 (Selected Models) Windows NT (Selected Models) Pointing Device: ALR 2-button Mouse (Selected Models) I/O Ports: Two 9-pin serial ports; one parallel port and one mouse port BIOS Upgrade: Phoenix Upgradeable Flash BIOS with Hardware Security Physical Dimensions: 6"H x 15"W x 17"D, 30 lb. Power Supply: 200 Watts Warranty: Limited 5/15 Warranty (5 Years/15 Months) Configurations and pricing subject to change without notice. ALR is a registered trademark of Advanced Logic Research, Inc. All other brand and product names are trademarks of their respective owners. Copyright 1993 by Advanced Logic Research, Inc. Prices quoted in US. dollars. 1 (\products\e-vdt\specs) rev date: 5/12/93 ---------------- ALR EVOLUTION V-Q Processor Design: Intel Pentium Processor running at 60- or 66-MHz with 64-bit data path, internal math coprocessor and dual 8-KB Cache System Bus Architecture: 64-bit CPU to Cache ALR Quadflex 128 Architecture - 128-bit data path Cache to memory EISA/32-bit VL bus Standard Memory: 8-MB and 16-MB RAM models Memory Expansion: Expandable to 1-GB on System Board External Cache: Integrated 512-KB Read/Write-Back Cache Video: Western Digital (WD90C31-VL) 1-MB DRAM Local Bus Video Adapter Optional Monitors: ALR SVGA Monitor FlexVIEW 3X NI, (SVGA 14" Monitor Multi-Scan, Non-Interlaced) FlexVIEW 4X NI, (SVGA 17" Monitor Multi-Scan, Non-Interlaced) CD-ROM: Internal high-speed CD-ROM (Selected Models) Hard Drive Controller: ALR I/O card - (supporting up to two IDE devices) ALR MULTUS (High Performance Multi-Seek) IDE Controller Supporting Up To Four IDE Hard Drives (Selected models); 32-bit SCSI Local Bus Controller (selected models) Standard Hard Drives: 480-MB (dual 240-MB IDE MULTUS), 535-MB and 1.2-GB SCSI Hard Drives Floppy Controller: ALR I/O card (supporting up to two floppies) Floppy Drive: 1.44-MB 3.5" floppy drive Total Expansion Slots: 10: 32-bit EISA slots (three with 32-bit VESA VL-bus extensions) height devices Supported Software: MS-DOS; MS-Windows; MS Windows NT; Novell Netware; OS/2; SCO UNIX; Banyan VINES I/O Ports: ALR I/O card - Two 9-pin serial ports; one parallel port; one mouse port; one PS/2 style keyboard port BIOS Upgrade: Phoenix Upgradeable Flash BIOS with Hardware Security Physical Dimensions: 25.75"H x 12.75"W x 21"D, 70 lb. Power Supply: 415 Watts (optional dual 450-Watt) Warranty: Limited 5/15 Warranty (5 Years/15 Months) Configurations and pricing subject to change without notice. ALR is a registered trademark of Advanced Logic Research, Inc. All other brand and product names are trademarks of their respective owners. Copyright 1993 by Advanced Logic Research, Inc. Prices quoted in US. dollars. 1 (\E5\E5QSPEC.doc) rev date: 5/17/93 ------ Product Name Model Processor Bus RAM Hard Drive List EVOLUTION V/60 1 Pentium/60 ISA/VL 8-MB N/A $2,495 1N Pentium/60 ISA/VL 8-MB N/A $2,695 170DW Pentium/60 ISA/VL 8-MB 170-MB IDE $3,095 240DW Pentium/60 ISA/VL 8-MB 240-MB IDE $3,245 340DW Pentium/60 ISA/VL 8-MB 340-MB IDE $3,445 170DWM* Pentium/60 ISA/VL 8-MB 170-MB IDE $3,595 EVOLUTION V/60 (NT) 1NT Pentium/60 ISA/VL 16-MB N/A $3,695 170NT Pentium/60 ISA/VL 16-MB 170-MB IDE $4,295 240NT Pentium/60 ISA/VL 16-MB 240-MB IDE $4,495 340NT Pentium/60 ISA/VL 16-MB 340-MB IDE $4,645 EVOLUTION V-Q/60 8CM Pentium/60 EISA/VL 8-MB N/A $4,495 80-16CVM Pentium/60 EISA/VL 16-MB 240-MB IDE(2) $5,995 535-16CVS Pentium/60 EISA/VL 16-MB 535-MB SCSI $6,595 1200-16CVS Pentium/60 EISA/VL 16-MB 1.2-GB SCSI $7,595 EVOLUTION V-Q/66 8CM Pentium/66 EISA/VL 8-MB N/A $4,795 16CM Pentium/66 EISA/VL 16-MB N/A $5,295 480-16CVM Pentium/66 EISA/VL 16-MB 240-MB IDE (2) $6,295 535-16CVS Pentium/66 EISA/VL 16-MB 535-MB SCSI $6,895 1200-16CVS Pentium/66 EISA/VL 16-MB 1.2-GB SCSI $7,895 *Bundled system includes: local bus video graphics card, 14" SVGA monitor, MS-DOS 6.0, MS-Windows 3.1 and mouse PROVEISA Upgrade Modules List Pentium processor 60-MHz $2,395 Pentium processor 66-MHz $2,695 -- Sean L. Hill Ergo Science Incorporated shill@ccsi.com Compuserve: 73667,3355
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Re: Help!! File System FULL Message-ID: <1993May23.124343.21142@news.csuohio.edu> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University References: <KARTHY.93May22204008@dannug.dannug.dk> Date: Sun, 23 May 1993 12:43:43 GMT Karsten Thygesen (karthy@dannug.dk) wrote: : You has been offer to the usual problem. The swapfile has grown : beyond bounds and filled the harddisk to mush. There is only one thing : to do: boot from another device like CD, floppy or borrow another : harddisk, then remove the swapfile (/private/vm/swapfile) and reboot. Isn't it possible to just do the removal from the ROM monitor, without having to resort to booting from another drive? -- | Joe Rosenfeld cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu | CSU Law Library j.rosenfeld@csuohio.edu
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help!! File System FULL Message-ID: <67871@mimsy.umd.edu> Date: 23 May 93 19:18:24 GMT References: <KARTHY.93May22204008@dannug.dannug.dk> <1993May23.124343.21142@news.csuohio.edu> Sender: news@mimsy.umd.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Karsten Thygesen (karthy@dannug.dk) wrote: : You has been offer to the usual problem. The swapfile has grown : beyond bounds and filled the harddisk to mush. There is only one thing : to do: boot from another device like CD, floppy or borrow another : harddisk, then remove the swapfile (/private/vm/swapfile) and reboot. cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes: > Isn't it possible to just do the removal from the ROM monitor, without > having to resort to booting from another drive? I dont think you can do this from the monitor, but you are right. There is no need to boot from another device. just boot in single user mode (bsd -s) and then remove the swapfile -- Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu NeXT mail accepted -------------------------------------------------------------- "Without an engaged and motivated human being at the keyboard, the computer is just another dumb box." William Raspberry
From: matthews@is-next.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help!! File System FULL Date: 23 May 1993 22:08:15 GMT Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM Message-ID: <1toskf$i1v@umd5.umd.edu> References: <1993May22.162821.7977@cs.ucf.edu> In article <1993May22.162821.7977@cs.ucf.edu> ali@elm.uucp (Ali Sidani) writes: >Hi, Yo >/: File system full >IO error on pageout: error = 28 >vnode_pageout: failed! >How can I correct this problem? I need to delete some files on the system, >but how can I get access to the harddisk? If your machine won't boot, you have to do the following: From the ROM monitor, bsd -sb That puts you into reallyreallyraw single-user mode. So raw, in fact, that your root partition is still mounted readonly (the -b in the boot command tells the NeXT not to source /etc/rc.boot, which mounts / readwrite and tries to write to / as a side effect). So, mount -o remount,rw / Now you're free to go in and blow away what you want gone. Don't get too carried away, though. :-> >Your assistance is greatly appreciated. >Please reply ASAP :-( Your Email address may need some fixing. ali@elm.uucp *might* work but I'm going the Followup route. >thanks >ali ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@ectds.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ "We dedicated ourselves to a powerful idea -- organic law rather than naked power. There seems to be universal acceptance of that idea in the nation." -- Supreme Court Justice Potter Steart
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware From: karthy@dannug.dk (Karsten Thygesen) Subject: Re: Help!! File System FULL In-Reply-To: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu's message of Sun, 23 May 1993 12:43:43 GMT Message-ID: <KARTHY.93May23222710@dannug.dannug.dk> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: news@dannug.dk (Usenet news owner) Organization: Dannug - Danish NeXT Users Group References: <KARTHY.93May22204008@dannug.dannug.dk> <1993May23.124343.21142@news.csuohio.edu> Date: Sun, 23 May 1993 21:27:10 GMT >>>>> On Sun, 23 May 1993 12:43:43 GMT, cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) said: Joe> Karsten Thygesen (karthy@dannug.dk) wrote: Joe> : You has been offer to the usual problem. The swapfile has grown Joe> : beyond bounds and filled the harddisk to mush. There is only one thing Joe> : to do: boot from another device like CD, floppy or borrow another Joe> : harddisk, then remove the swapfile (/private/vm/swapfile) and reboot. Joe> Isn't it possible to just do the removal from the ROM monitor, without Joe> having to resort to booting from another drive? How would you do that? The filesystem is not loaded at that time which means that you have to treat the disk as a raw SCSI disk. It is NeXTSTEP which shows the disk as a nice tree structure with files and directories, so unless you are realy smart and knows how to handfixes the i-nodes, then don't even try. Try to get a bootfloppy, CD or another harddisk to bring up an Unix and let that interpret the data as a filesystem. Good luck, Karsten.
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help!! File System FULL Message-ID: <1993May23.175311.6304@imani.cam.org> Date: 23 May 93 17:53:11 GMT References: <1993May23.124343.21142@news.csuohio.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1993May23.124343.21142@news.csuohio.edu> cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes: > Karsten Thygesen (karthy@dannug.dk) wrote: > > : You has been offer to the usual problem. The swapfile has grown > : beyond bounds and filled the harddisk to mush. There is only one thing > : to do: boot from another device like CD, floppy or borrow another > : harddisk, then remove the swapfile (/private/vm/swapfile) and reboot. > > Isn't it possible to just do the removal from the ROM monitor, without > having to resort to booting from another drive? > Not the ROM monitor, but in single-user mode, I think. Type "bsd -s" at boot time in verbose mode. Ciao Nicolas > -- > > | Joe Rosenfeld cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu > | CSU Law Library j.rosenfeld@csuohio.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd) Subject: HD crash... need good advice and pain killers. Message-ID: <1993May23.223830.11649@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Summary: My HD crashed... what now. Keywords: crash, SCSI, Toshiba, crap Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Date: Sun, 23 May 93 22:38:30 GMT While attempting my first backup (I'm a poor student, so I have to borrow a tape drive... no backup flames, please.) somehow my 1.2G Toshiba MK-538FB drive bit the dust. It now usually refuses to come ready and makes a really bad-sounding "clunk-clunk-clunk" instead of the pleasant little chirp it usually makes when it comes up to speed. Questions: Has anyone had similar experiences with Toshiba (or any) HDs? Is it more likely a head crash or chip burnout (solid state error)? Does anyone have any good reccomendations for data recovery firms? (I know, it'll cost me more than the price of a new drive, but I spent 6 months collecting 1 gig of data, and I lose my FTP and telnet access tomorrow morning. <Sniff>) Do tears damage the NeXT keyboard? Thanks. Please mail responses, since I will only be able to call in and check my mail. -- John Todd | University of Rochester, Rochester NY | NRA & Pro-Choice CPU 276686 | "Charracter is whata you arre ina the dark!" - E. Lizardo Rochester NY 14627| Jeeps Bought/Sold * Dictators Overthrown * Bombs Defused jtod@alora.cc.rochester.edu (NeXT mail) jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: amon@lix.polytechnique.fr (Laurent Amon) Subject: Re: Reading Sun floppies Message-ID: <amon.738061878@mallorne.polytechnique.fr> Sender: news@polytechnique.fr (USENET News System) Organization: Ecole Polytechnique, Palaiseau, France References: <1993May20.203234.7863@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <C7DLpu.Awn@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: Sat, 22 May 1993 09:11:18 GMT I usually do a low-level format on the diskette, and write on it using tar (or gnu tar, or dump, or whatever): On the sun: tar {x|c}vf /dev/rfd0 ... On the NeXT: tar {x|c}vf /dev/rfd0b ... (assuming internal drive) If you want to use PC filesystems, both Suns and NeXTs can mount them, but I find it more practical to use the mtools. The version on sonata and cs.orst.edu readily compiles for both Suns and NeXTs, and has 2.1 NeXT binaries included. I do not think it possible to mount a NeXT FS on a Sun, and vice-versa. Hope it helps, Lga. eugene@nshade.uah.ualberta.ca (Eugene Mah) writes: > There are a couple of Sun IPX workstations around here, and I need to > transfer files from them to our NeXTs. The Suns have floppies, and tape > drives, but my NeXTs don't have tape. Currently, I'm modeming files over, > but most of the files I transfer are pretty big, so it's not all that > practical. > > I was wondering if there was anything around that I could use to read Sun > formatted floppies from a NeXT. > > Many thanks! You'll be saving me from tying up the phone lines. --- |"I don't know what it's called, but Laurent Amon | we're doing one about going to see e-mail: amon@lix.polytechnique.fr | a wizard. Something about following amon@cs.stanford.edu | a yellow sick toad. (Moving Pictures)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.wuest) Subject: Re: Reading Sun floppies Message-ID: <C7J8Dv.386@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Organization: AT&T References: <1993May20.203234.7863@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <C7DLpu.Awn@nextsrv1.andi.org> <amon.738061878@mallorne.polytechnique.fr> Date: Mon, 24 May 1993 13:05:54 GMT In article <amon.738061878@mallorne.polytechnique.fr> amon@lix.polytechnique.fr (Laurent Amon) writes: >I usually do a low-level format on the diskette, and write on it >using tar (or gnu tar, or dump, or whatever): >On the sun: tar {x|c}vf /dev/rfd0 ... >On the NeXT: tar {x|c}vf /dev/rfd0b ... (assuming internal drive) This has worked for many a file for me, only I didn't Need No Stinkin' low-level format. Just tar away to your heart's content. Mark -- Mark Wuest | *MY* opinions, not AT&T's!! mdw@violin.hr.att.com (Sun Mailtool Ok) | mdw@trumpet.hr.att.com (NeXT Mail) |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: NeXTWORLD EXPO - Free Pass Message-ID: <C7I2Et.vp@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Sun, 23 May 1993 21:59:16 GMT For those that are interested in going and don't have a pass. The Sunday San Jose Mercury News has a free pass that you present at the door. The pass is on page 5F. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: tpg@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Terry Gliedt) Subject: Re: HD crash... need good advice and pain killers. Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993May24.125628.31246@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1993 12:56:28 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993May23.223830.11649@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Organization: IBM Rochester Keywords: crash, SCSI, Toshiba, crap In article <1993May23.223830.11649@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd) writes: |> |> While attempting my first backup (I'm a poor student, so I have to borrow a |> tape drive... no backup flames, please.) somehow my 1.2G Toshiba MK-538FB |> drive bit the dust. It now usually refuses to come ready and makes a really |> bad-sounding "clunk-clunk-clunk" instead of the pleasant little chirp it |> usually makes when it comes up to speed. |> |> Questions: |> Has anyone had similar experiences with Toshiba (or any) HDs? |> Is it more likely a head crash or chip burnout (solid state error)? |> Does anyone have any good reccomendations for data recovery firms? If I understand you correctly, your drive died during or just before you tried the backup. If true, I think it very unlikely that your drive has physically died. It could be, but this seems pretty amazing. More likely, it seems to me, is that the data on the drive has been corrupted. It makes me wonder if your tape drive was properly addressed and/or if there were not SCSI errors occuring. For instance if both your tape and disk drives were responding to the SCSI bus, almost anything could be happening. I had something like this happen between two disk drives and ended up trashing ONE file on my boot drive (it was a NeXT-specific file and took me 3 days of file-by-file comparison with another NeXT to find it. Ugly ugly ugly). If, for instance the label area of your disk was trashed, the operating system would not be able to find important areas of the disk and the disk would cycle again and again with this click-click sound. Unfortunately I was never able to revive any disk that got in this condition (but then I had backups that worked). I suspect it is possible to resurrect your disk, but I can't give you any more help than some sympathy. Good luck
From: farlee@nowory.zso.dec.com (Kevin Farlee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT CD ROM on a Mac (one more time)...What about a floppy Date: 24 May 1993 16:31:33 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tqt95$an9@usenet.pa.dec.com> References: <1993May21.121417.713@vaxsar.vassar.edu> Funny, I downloaded the hp-deskwriter-driver-3-9.hqx (or whatever the exact name is), and after deleting the header, I was able to use BINHEX and to produce a .cpt archive, which the appropriate tool (Extractor?) handled just fine. My Deskwriter is running just dandy with the new drivers today! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Farlee | DISCLAIMER | Stupid questions are farlee@zso.dec.com | The opinions expressed are | infinitely preferable | my own, and not my employers | to stupid mistakes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Next printer cable Message-ID: <1993May25.090243.18493@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 09:02:43 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <1trp8n$4pu@tamsun.tamu.edu> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <1trp8n$4pu@tamsun.tamu.edu> writes: > In article <1tjdtvINNpvc@cronkite.cisco.com> enf@cisco.com (Eric Fronberg) > writes: > | I've just purchased a Next printer that came without the 9 pin cable. > | I had the oppurtunity to buzz out a printer cable and it looked from > | what I could tell, like a straight through shielded 9 pin cable with 9 > | pin D male connectors. If I go down to my favorite cable store and > | buy a 10ft cable as described above will that work properly with my > | printer or is there some other hidden gotcha that might bite me? > | > | Thanks! > | > | --eric > | > | enf@cisco.com > > I vaguely remember a post which said that for the NeXT printer to work > properly the cable had to be the right length since the design included > propagation delay (timing). Technically speaking things like capacitance per > foot matter, but practically speaking I bet any cable the same length would > work. Nope, won't! ... unless you just per chance got a cable with the right impedance and shielding. -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch ( if all fails try frank@urz.unibas.ch )
From: Joshua Alan Knauer <jk71+@andrew.cmu.edu> Newsgroups: pgh.next-users,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: help with NeXT Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 15:07:39 -0400 Organization: Sophomore, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <Eg0atvK00WBN85H456@andrew.cmu.edu> Hello, Our organization just had a NeXT donated to it. It is slab 25 mhz w/monitor keyboard, mouse, etc. We need several things for it and/or some advice. There is no hard drive nor RAM, so we can't do much with it. What sort of HD's can we use? Can it be any SCSI drive or is it a specific one? Also, once we do get a drive, how do we get our hands on the operating system? Is there any specific way that we will have to configure the RAM? We are looking to buy (or have donated, as we are a non-profit organization) - Hard Drive (at least 200 megs) - RAM at least 10-12 megs (depending on our configuration) - Laser Printer - Operating system stuff (preferably the newest NeXTstep stuff) Also, it may not be financially worth it for us to buy all of the stuff that we need, so if you have an offer for what we have, we have all of the original boxes, etc. If you can help, please write or call: Josh Knauer * 4531 Forbes Ave. Apt. 504 <jk71+@andrew.cmu.edu> * Pittsburgh, PA 15213 USA When will the 'powers that be' realize * Phone: (412) 681-9608 <-home that it is the grassroots activists on * (412) 681-8300 <-- office the front lines who will bring the Earth the healing it really needs?
From: rhartman@dsl2.uoregon.edu (Rick Hartmann) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Need 9-track tape for NeXT, pls don't laugh. Date: 25 May 1993 20:55:46 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tu14i$orv@pith.uoregon.edu> Keywords: tape 9-track SCSI Yes, it's true. I'm looking for a SCSI 9-track tape drive for the NeXT. Needs to be 6250 bpi. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing? Our computer center is eliminating their drives (or access to them) so we need to find a way to read these tapes. Nope, so far the source doesn't support any other tape format :-( Many thanks in advance, Rick --- Rick Hartmann, System Manager Data Services Lab Work Phone: 503-346-1335 University of Oregon, 10 PLC, 1415 Kincaid St., Eugene 97403 Basic schedule: 8-12 daily and by appointment email: rhartman@dsl2.uoregon.edu (NeXTmail ok)
From: tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,,comp.sys.next.hardware,,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: TCS computer systems flyer at Expo Message-ID: <19q54B1w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 93 20:01:23 CDT Organization: TCS Consulting Services For anyone who is going to be attending the Expo late Wednesday and Thursday you can get my flyer at the Athena Design booth. There are many hardware specs on the back of the flyer which might prove informative for those looking at various components to put in their systems. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS Systems: TCS-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Review of HP35480A SCSI DAT Drive (I bought one, so...) Date: 25 May 1993 20:42:39 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tuovf$3jg@moonshot.west.oic.com> Well folks, a short while ago I was in the market for a tape backup unit and started researching my options. A friend of mine in Germany suggested the HP 35480A SCSI DAT backup drive and I looked into it. I called HP and they gave two numbers for resellers: Anthem Inc 1-800-359-3580 Arrow 1-800-323-4373 I'm not sure how a non-company would go about ordering the drive. Since we have an account with Anthem I just called up our local rep and requested information, then bought one. Anthem sells the drive both bare and within a full enclosure (centronics style SCSI-I connectors, power supply, and drive). A terminator was included but no cable. I also needed to purchse a modular power cord. The drive is on the order of $1300-$1600 (sorry, I don't have the P.O. handy and I bought it 2+ weeks ago so I don't have the exact price I paid). DISCLAIMER: I AM AND END-USER OF THIS PRODUCT, PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME FOR PURCHASING INFO! In anycase, connecting the drive to my NeXT was trivial. I set the SCSI ID to 5 (just after the CDROM drive which is 4) and rebooted. The NeXT recognized the tape drive as /dev/rst0 and worked like a charm the first time. Since I did not have a cable handy I just disconnected my CD-ROM drive and connected that cable to the tape drive. Therefore, the standard CD-ROM drive cable will work just fine (though if you have a CD-ROM you want a SCSI-I to SCSI-I cable to connect from the CD-ROM drive to the DAT drive rather then a SCSI-I to SCSI-II connector to connect drive to NeXT) DRIVE CAPABILITIES * 1 MB buffer, appears to be implemented properly * 4:1 chip-based compression (you get an average of 2:1) * takes 60 or 90 meter DAT-DDS data-grade tapes. I use HP 92283B tapes which are around $15/ea new. The order number is for a box of 5 ($75). * specifically cannot take non-DDS tapes (lots of warnings in the manual). e.g. you can't put audio DAT tapes in it. * A 90 meter tape can hold 2 GB uncompressed (4-8 GB compressed) * The drive supports SCSI burst of 1.5 MByte/sec async, 5 MByte/sec sync. (since the NeXT only supports asynch, answer is: 1.5 MBytes/sec) * Average transfer rate is 200-400KBytes/sec depending on compression. (Doing a level 0 dump piped through dd with 64KByte output blocking took 17 minutes with an average transfer rate of 350KBytes/sec) * Drive supports append, i.e. SCSI SPACE command to end-of-tape. * Drive does read-after-write with automatic retry on failure. * Drive implements three levels of ECC * MTBF 50000 power-on hours assuming duty cycle of 12% (i.e. tape-pulling time over power-on time). * Unrecoverable error rate is less then 1 in 10^15 bits (1 bit out of 125 terrabytes) using data-grade tapes. * Supports all but a few SCSI-II commands. Bare drive is, I believe, SCSI-II, but the connector on the back is SCSI-I centronics. * Bare-drive fits a 3.5" form factor. The enclosure mine came in was a double-high 3.5" enclosure (double a bare-drive's height plus a little) * Servo load/unload note: there are apparently two versions of the drive, the difference being in the compression. I got the high-end version. I'm not sure whether the low end has slower compression or no compression. note: HP suggests cleaning the heads every 25 hours of active use. They have a head cleaning cassette (HP 92283K). The drive apparently recognizes the cleaning cassette so you just shove it in and the drive spits it out when done. The cassette is supposed to be good for 25 uses. Assuming a daily backup of 30 minutes you would clean the heads every 50 days or need a new cleaning cassette every 4 years.. hmm, that doesn't sound right. MY TESTS (on a NeXTStation turbo slab) * A level 0 dump of my filesystem, approximately 350 MB, took 17 minutes resulting in an average transfer rate of 350KBytes/sec. * a dd from the same tape to /dev/null took.. oops, forgot to turn off NewsGrazer prefetch.. try again... ok... 880 seconds (14.6 minutes) or 417 KBytes/sec overall average. dd if=/dev/nrst0 bs=65536 of=/dev/null * gnutar appeared to stream to the tape just fine, dump rate was related to what was being dumped (.Z files dumped more slowly due to being uncompressable). I didn't actually time it. SPECIAL FEATURES The drive has the ability to unload its heads without ejecting the tape. This is accomplished through standard SCSI commands (it took 10 minutes to write a program to send the appropriate SCSI commands, I have included the program below). This feature allows you to safely leave a DDS tape in the drive without causing head-wear. The drive supports append. This allows you to run incremental dumps onto the same tape (unless your paranoid :-)). The same program I wrote before handles this too. Firmware is upgradable electronically, though I'm not sure how useful this will turn out to be. They probably use flash roms. The drive keeps a log of tape use at the beginning of each tape. Not sure how useful this would be. LACKS There does not appear to be a way to determine how full a tape is. I am not 100% familiar with SCSI tape commands so I could be missing something. There is no front panel-display, only two bi-color LEDs. OVERALL Overall I am extremely impressed. If something untoward happens through my use of the drive I will post an addendum. HP quality shows through well on this product. In particular, the drive appears to stream extremely well, much unlike NeXT's OEM'd sony CD-ROM drive which was so bare of features I posted some very negative comments on it when it came out. -Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- example program usage #!/bin/csh -f /usr/local/bin/scsitape load rewind /etc/dump 0ufs - 999999 | dd ibs=1024 obs=65536 of=/dev/nrst0 /usr/local/bin/scsitape rewind prevent unload allow #!/bin/csh -f /usr/local/bin/scsitape load append if $status != 0 then echo "unable to append to tape" else (/etc/dump 1ufs - 999999 | dd ibs=1024 obs=65536 of=/dev/nrst0) endif /usr/local/bin/scsitape rewind prevent unload allow program #include <sys/types.h> #include <fcntl.h> #include <dev/scsireg.h> #include <stdio.h> struct scsi_req req; main(ac, av) char *av[]; { int fd; int r = 0; int i; if (ac == 1) { puts("scsitape [load/unload/retension/prevent/allow/rewind/append]..."); puts("multiple commands ok"); exit(0); } fd = open("/dev/nrst0", O_RDWR); if (fd >= 0) { for (i = 1; r == 0 && i < ac; ++i) { r = DoTapeCommand(fd, av[i]); } close(fd); } else { perror("open /dev/nrst0"); } return(r); } DoTapeCommand(int fd, char *arg) { int r; bzero(&req, sizeof(req)); req.sr_dma_dir = SR_DMA_RD; req.sr_ioto = 60*2; if (strcmp(arg, "load") == 0) { req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_opcode = 0x1B; req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_len = 1; } else if (strcmp(arg, "unload") == 0) { req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_opcode = 0x1B; req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_len = 0; } else if (strcmp(arg, "retension") == 0) { req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_opcode = 0x1B; req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_len = 2; } else if (strcmp(arg, "prevent") == 0) { req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_opcode = 0x1E; req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_len = 1; } else if (strcmp(arg, "allow") == 0) { req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_opcode = 0x1E; req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_len = 0; } else if (strcmp(arg, "rewind") == 0) { req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_opcode = C6OP_REWIND; req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_len = 0; } else if (strcmp(arg, "append") == 0) { req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_opcode = C6OP_SPACE; req.sr_cdb.cdb_c6s.c6s_opt = C6OPT_SPACE_PEOD; } else { puts("bad command"); return(-1); } r = ioctl(fd, MTIOCSRQ, &req); if (r < 0) { perror("ioctl"); } else { printf("status: %d %d ", req.sr_io_status, req.sr_scsi_status); if (req.sr_scsi_status == 2) { printf("(sensecode=%d sensekey=%d)", req.sr_esense.er_code, req.sr_esense.er_sensekey ); /* * basically ignore sensekey 6 which usually means the tape has * been changed. */ if (req.sr_esense.er_sensekey == 6) { printf("retry: "); fflush(stdout); ioctl(fd, MTIOCSRQ, &req); printf("status: %d %d ", req.sr_io_status, req.sr_scsi_status); } } puts(""); r = req.sr_scsi_status; } return(r); }
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: cable for HP Deskjet 500 Date: 25 May 1993 20:50:39 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tupef$3km@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <1993May24.225121.618@azetsys.uucp> In article <1993May24.225121.618@azetsys.uucp> root@azetsys.uucp (Operator) writes: : Hi, : : Not being long on funds, yet need a printer to connect :to my NeXTStation Turbo, I am planning to purchase the HP Deskjet 500, : :I have obtained the DFJ source for the driver, but have no idea as :to what kind of cable I need, called NeXTConnection, but they do not :have the right cable. : Someone who has successfully connected this printer to the :NeXTStation Turbo, would be kind enough, and please fill me in on :this subject, any and all information will be much appreciated. : : Thank you very much in advance, : Geza Fekete azetsys!root@uunet.uu.net Sorry for the RTF. I ripped this out of a handy file I keep on serial cable construction. -Matt NEXT DIN-8 TO HP-500C - SPECIAL PURPOSE (note: HP uses DTR instead of RTS for flow control) (HP asserts RTS always) Cable is DIN-8 male and DB-25-male NEXT-DIN-8 DB-25 (male) 1 (unconnected) 2 4 3 3 4 7 5 2 6 5 7 (unconnected) 8 20 -- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- M>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9G-W:7-S($AE;'9E=&EC83M]"EQM M87)G;#$R,`I<;6%R9W(Q,C`*7'!A<F1<='@U,S-<='@Q,#8W7'1X,38P,5QT M>#(Q,S5<='@R-C8X7'1X,S(P,EQT>#,W,S9<='@T,C<P7'1X-#@P,UQT>#4S M,S=<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,"!);B!A<G1I8VQE(#PQ M.3DS36%Y,C0N,C(U,3(Q+C8Q.$!A>F5T<WES+G5U8W`^(')O;W1`87IE='-Y M<RYU=6-P("A/<&5R871O<BD@=W)I=&5S.EP*.@E(:2Q<"CI<"CH)3F]T(&)E M:6YG(&QO;F<@;VX@9G5N9',L('EE="!N965D(&$@<')I;G1E<B!T;R!C;VYN M96-T7`HZ=&\@;7D@3F585%-T871I;VX@5'5R8F\L($D@86T@<&QA;FYI;F<@ M=&\@<'5R8VAA<V4@=&AE($A0($1E<VMJ970@-3`P+%P*.EP*.DD@:&%V92!O M8G1A:6YE9"!T:&4@1$9*('-O=7)C92!F;W(@=&AE(&1R:79E<BP@8G5T(&AA M=F4@;F\@:61E82!A<UP*.G1O('=H870@:VEN9"!O9B!C86)L92!)(&YE960L M(&-A;&QE9"!.95A40V]N;F5C=&EO;BP@8G5T('1H97D@9&\@;F]T7`HZ:&%V M92!T:&4@<FEG:'0@8V%B;&4N7`HZ"5-O;65O;F4@=VAO(&AA<R!S=6-C97-S M9G5L;'D@8V]N;F5C=&5D('1H:7,@<')I;G1E<B!T;R!T:&4@7`HZ3F585%-T M871I;VX@5'5R8F\L('=O=6QD(&)E(&MI;F0@96YO=6=H+"!A;F0@<&QE87-E M(&9I;&P@;64@:6X@;VY<"CIT:&ES('-U8FIE8W0L(&%N>2!A;F0@86QL(&EN M9F]R;6%T:6]N('=I;&P@8F4@;75C:"!A<'!R96-I871E9"Y<"CI<"CH)5&AA M;FL@>6]U('9E<GD@;75C:"!I;B!A9'9A;F-E+%P*.@D)1V5Z82!&96ME=&4@ M(&%Z971S>7,A<F]O=$!U=6YE="YU=2YN971<"EP*("`@(%-O<G)Y(&9O<B!T M:&4@4E1&+B`@22!R:7!P960@=&AI<R!O=70@;V8@82!H86YD>2!F:6QE($D@ M:V5E<"!O;B!S97)I86P@8V%B;&4@8V]N<W1R=6-T:6]N+B!<"EP*"0D)"0D) M"0D)+4UA='1<"@I<<&%R9%QT>#4R,%QT>#$P-C!<='@Q-C`P7'1X,C$R,%QT M>#(V-C!<='@S,C`P7'1X,S<R,%QT>#0R-C!<='@T.#`P7'1X-3,R,%QT>#4X M.#!<='@V-#@P7'1X-S`P,%QT>#<U.#!<='@X,30P7'1X.#8R,%QF8S!<8V8P M(%P*"EQB(`D)"4Y%6%0@1$E.+3@@5$\@2%`M-3`P0R`M(%-014-)04P@4%52 M4$]315P*"EQB,"`)"0DH;F]T93H@2%`@=7-E<R!$5%(@:6YS=&5A9"!O9B!2 M5%,@9F]R(&9L;W<@8V]N=')O;"E<"@D)"2A(4"!A<W-E<G1S(%)44R!A;'=A M>7,I7`I<"@D)"4-A8FQE(&ES($1)3BTX(&UA;&4@86YD($1"+3(U+6UA;&5< M"EP*"4Y%6%0M1$E.+3@)"41"+3(U("AM86QE*5P*"0DQ"0D)*'5N8V]N;F5C M=&5D*5P*"0DR"0D)-%P*"0DS"0D),UP*"0DT"0D)-UP*"0DU"0D),EP*"0DV M"0D)-5P*"0DW"0D)*'5N8V]N;F5C=&5D*5P*"0DX"0D),C!<"EP*7`H*7'!A M<F1<='@U,S-<='@Q,#8W7'1X,38P,5QT>#(Q,S5<='@R-C8X7'1X,S(P,EQT J>#,W,S9<='@T,C<P7'1X-#@P,UQT>#4S,S=<9F,P7&-F,"!<"EP*"GT* `
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) Subject: Re: Need 9-track tape for NeXT, pls don't laugh. Message-ID: <1993May25.195131.13173@resonex.com> Keywords: tape 9-track SCSI Organization: Resonex Inc., Fremont CA References: <1tu14i$orv@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 19:51:31 GMT In article <1tu14i$orv@pith.uoregon.edu> rhartman@dsl2.uoregon.edu writes: > >Yes, it's true. I'm looking for a SCSI 9-track tape drive for the >NeXT. Needs to be 6250 bpi. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing? >Our computer center is eliminating their drives (or access to them) so >we need to find a way to read these tapes. Nope, so far the source >doesn't support any other tape format :-( > >Many thanks in advance, >Rick >--- >Rick Hartmann, System Manager >Data Services Lab Work Phone: 503-346-1335 >University of Oregon, 10 PLC, 1415 Kincaid St., Eugene 97403 >Basic schedule: 8-12 daily and by appointment >email: rhartman@dsl2.uoregon.edu (NeXTmail ok) > I would strongly recommend Overland's TL5612/SCSI and suggest do not use the Laguna's systems. If anyone needs more info, send me e-mail at zenon@resonex.com -Z. PS. I don't have any connection to Overland, but I have tested their system before advising a customer.
From: shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: replacement for NeXT color monitor Message-ID: <128296@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 26 May 93 04:50:46 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.marketplace Organization: University of Pennsylvania Hi, I am looking for a replacement for my NeXT color monitor. I'd like to know what non NeXT color monitors work well with the NeXT. I have a NeXTstation color 25MHz, and my 17" fimi monitor is dead (warrantly expired too). I can't afford Bell Atlantic's exorbitant service charges ( __$1,462__ !!) and frankly at that price I would be interested in purchasing a new and more reliable monitor. Could people with experience with non NeXT color monitors please give me some information. I will collect responses and summarize them. If additional connectors/adaptors/parts are required be sure to mention them. Thanks! --- Shumon Huque 4706 Hazel Avenue, Department of Computer Science Philadelphia, PA 19143 University of Pennsylvania, (215)726-1527 Internet: shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu, shuque@aurora.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS 3.0 Message-ID: <1tut8i$llp@parsifal.umkc.edu> From: ben@bigben.umsl.edu (Ben Pflanz) Date: 26 May 1993 04:55:46 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City Hello, I have a chance to buy a real cheap copy of NS 3.0. Would I be able to get the upgrade to 3.1 at a discount or would I have to pay full price for it? Thanks. Ben Pflanz (ben@bigben.umsl.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: cz@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Christopher R. Zach) Subject: 3.0 Upgrade from 2.0. HOW! Message-ID: <1993May25.232659.6358@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Summary: Slab doesn't want to boot from the CDROM, and I have no floppy Sender: news@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Distribution: na Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 23:26:59 GMT Hi. Subject says it all. It is finally time to upgrade my 2.0 Next to the wonders of 3.0. However before I run off and upgrade, I have a few questions: First it seems that I can't boot off the OD. So, I need to boot off the 3.0 floppy disk. But I dont HAVE the bootable floppy. Could someone dd theirs and send me a copy (let me know BEFORE you send. My mailbox can't handle 30 people each sending me a 2.5mb uuencoded file). NextMail is welcome. Second, what kind of surprises should I expect while upgrading. I heard that the upgrade program deliberately wipes out icon.app, so I might want to protect it. What else is affected, from an applications point of view. Will CoXist 2.0 still work? Thanks CZ
From: gonzo@cs.tu-berlin.de (S. F. Ruehauf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Printing with HP ink Date: 26 May 1993 10:07:00 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <1tvfg5$k78@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Summary: How to print with an HP Deskjet Keywords: HP-Deskjet, Printing Driver and 2.0 hello is there a driver for a HP DeskJet Printer available in the PD? Somebody want to give me one of these for nil and I just would like to know, how much work it is to use it with my NeXT. does it work with 2.0?? please reply via mail thanx in advance stephan -- Stephan Fruhauf gonzo@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de what is X400? s=gonzo ou=opal p=tu-berlin a=dbp c=de
From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Listening to a CD via NeXT CD-ROM Date: 26 May 1993 13:11:36 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1tvqa8$9cq@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> We have our NeXT CD-ROM plugged into a 3.0 machine. (I just upgraded the machine from 2.1 to 3.0 via the drive) Now we wanted to listen to some CD's via the drive. But the CDPlayer.app "can't find cd-rom player". Any ideas what we are doing wrong? The scsi chain must be fine because we just upgraded the machine, and haven't touched/changed anything. Any help would be much appreciated. -- :::Apple II forever!!:::GO BUCKS!:::Play Lacrosse!!:::Raging Bullwinkle!::: : Shane M . Zatezalo - CIS OSU: i-net> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu : : root@tap.colum.fnet.org : NeXTMail> shane@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu : :GS::: call T.A.P. a Futurenet BBS 614-297-7031 16.8k DS HST 425 MEGS ::GS:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,de.comp.sys.next From: tpg@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Terry Gliedt) Subject: Re: Printing with HP ink Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993May26.125431.19291@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 12:54:31 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1tvfg5$k78@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Organization: IBM Rochester Keywords: HP-Deskjet, Printing Driver and 2.0 In article <1tvfg5$k78@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, gonzo@cs.tu-berlin.de (S. F. Ruehauf) writes: |> hello |> |> is there a driver for a HP DeskJet Printer available in the PD? |> Somebody want to give me one of these for nil and I just would |> like to know, how much work it is to use it with my NeXT. |> |> does it work with 2.0?? There are a couple of options for using a DJ. There is a commercial package called Dots that isn't particularly expensive. There is also software at orst and sonata to provide support for the DJ. I do not believe the serial support in 2.0 is good enough for anything. In order to use the DJ, you will need to upgrade to 2.1 at least.
From: martin@charon.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Martin Lades) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Notebooks for NS/FIP Date: 26 May 1993 22:51:34 GMT Organization: Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum, Rechenzentrum Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u0s9m$lmv@rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Keywords: notebook, nextstep Hello, I am looking for options to run NS/FIP on a nice notebook. Is there anything visible on expo? I would need the toy soon, so announcements are not good enough. I saw one so far, which should be very able to do it (local bus graphics/disk, PCMCIA2 slot, 200 MB drive, 486DX2-50 etc.), but although advertised, it is not available yet. Also I heard NS would have real problems with the power managment on a notebook. So anything available on NWE generically offering NS would be very interesting. The other option is a Mac, but I would rather spend my money on a NS system. Thanks for any info. -- Martin Lades martin@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mdm@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Mike D Marchionna) Subject: Writing tar files to external Floppies (WAS: Reading Sun floppies) Message-ID: <1993May26.223906.20977@wdl.loral.com> Sender: news@wdl.loral.com Organization: Loral Western Development Labs References: <1993May20.203234.7863@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <C7DLpu.Awn@nextsrv1.andi.org> <amon.738061878@mallorne.polytechnique.fr> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 22:39:06 GMT This topic has been brought up before, but always is explained in terms of dealing with internal floppy drives. I haven't seen anybody mention if there is something special that must be done to write Sun readable tar files on the NeXT using an external floppy drive. Let me begin describing my problem by first stating that I am running NS3.0 on an 040 cube with an external PLI superfloppy. The floppy drive is at /dev/sd2. I am able to create a floppy tar file on a Sun by doing the usual 'tar cvf /dev/rfd0 filename'. I can then read this on my NeXT by doing the following as root: 'tar xvf /dev/rsd2h'. This seems to read the files off okay, but the tar command hangs after it reads the last file, and I eventualy have to hit Ctrl-C. The files are read correctly though. The big problem comes when I try to write a tar floppy on the NeXT. I write the floppy by giving the following tar command: 'tar cvf /dev/rsd2h filenames'. The WorkSpace puts up a dialog to insert the disk and I do. The write seems to proceed with out an error and completes normally. I then try to read the data back (still on my NeXT) with the 'tar xvf /dev/rsd2h' command. Again it reads the files, but hangs as before. The files that are read back are the right size but, the data is subtley currupted. The files are normal text files to begin with. When I examine the read back tar files they have numerous individual byte changes. Most predominant are spaces turning into lower case h's. Apostropes turning into lower case w's. Other errors occur but these are the most frequent. Reading and writing files to DOS format and NeXT format works just fine though. This leads me to think it's not a flakey connection or a stuck bit, and that I'm doing something procedurely wrong. Does anyone have idea what I could be doing wrong. --MDM -- _________________________________________________________________________ ( _______________________________ Brain, and brain! What is brain! ) \________________________________) --Star Trek (Spock's Brain) / El_Rayo_X_______________________________________________________________/
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: Notebooks for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993May26.235729.23105@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1u0s9m$lmv@rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Date: Wed, 26 May 93 23:57:29 GMT Martin Lades writes > I am looking for options to run NS/FIP on a nice notebook. > Is there anything visible on expo? There were several laptops running NS/I. The nicest was the NEC Versa, but at $4500 a shot it isn't cheap. Then there was a Compaq LTE something or other (basically, the top of the line LTE model, with the color screen). Also two Compaq lunchbox luggables. Comments: none are very fast. The screen is SMALL. Big enough for some things, but really cramped. Developers are going to have to rethink some of their GUIs. Even one inspector panel starts getting in the way. A dock extender like MetroTools or Engage and VirtSpace are must-haves. Engage would let you get all the icons off-screen until you need them; MetroTools lets you shrink them into 1/4 size and take up much less space while still looking like a traditional dock. Virtspace is necessary for obvious reasons. -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
From: besler@vitalstatistix.gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Steven Besler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ADB question Date: 27 May 1993 02:53:15 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u1aerINNgnm@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> I own a NeXTSTATION Turbo (mono). I think that it is supposed to be ADB-upgradeable according to what I read on the net. The serial number on the slab seems to be after the required number and the Rom was the right version (I think). So if my mouse or keyboard suddenly died, could I just slap an ADB keyboard or mouse on there and "it'd just work" or what? What about the monitor? Crossing my fingers, Steven Besler besler@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brill@sybase.com (Michael Brill) Subject: DTP 2012 on Compaq inducing psychosis Message-ID: <C7nq47.4Gu@sybase.com> Sender: usenet@sybase.com Organization: Sybase, Inc. Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 23:19:18 GMT I have a Compaq Deskpro 66M with a DPT 2012 and a Maxtor PS1017. I can install NS from the floppy/CD-ROM, but when I go to reboot it, my machine gets caught in this EATA timeout Resetting SCSI Bus... sd0:blah blah sd1:blah blah <pause for a minute> sd0: I/O Timeout; Retrying. target:0 lun:0 op:Read block:744063 blockCount:16 And it just repeats the above about once a minute. This doesn't just work :( Any ideas? Thanks, ...Michael Brill (brill@sybase.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brill@sybase.com (Michael Brill) Subject: DPT and Compaq psychosis continued Message-ID: <C7nqE5.4n1@sybase.com> Sender: usenet@sybase.com Organization: Sybase, Inc. Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 23:25:16 GMT As an addition to my last post... after I install NS, it comes up in 640x480 mode and I can do all the regular stuff. However, once I shut down the machine and try to restart - I cannot reboot it. So apparently the software is installed OK, but it just won't boot. As a sidenote, I just noticed that the NS partition is #2 (there is a DOS partition before it). Does that help? Thanks, ...Michael Brill (brill@sybase.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: cable for HP Deskjet 500 Message-ID: <1993May27.065404.4151@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1tupef$3km@moonshot.west.oic.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 93 06:54:04 GMT .. > > > -Matt > > NEXT DIN-8 TO HP-500C - SPECIAL PURPOSE > (note: HP uses DTR instead of RTS for flow control) > (HP asserts RTS always) > > Cable is DIN-8 male and DB-25-male > > NEXT-DIN-8 DB-25 (male) > 1 (unconnected) > 2 4 > 3 3 > 4 7 > 5 2 > 6 5 > 7 (unconnected) > 8 20 > Also, if you are running at 19200 baud, be sure not to make your cable too long and be sure to have enough shielding. Otherwise you'll get all kinds of tranmission errors. And while I'm at it, let me make another plug for my *free* HP DeskJet 550C How To Print In Color From The NeXT instructions that I posted on sonata.cc.purdue.edu. I think it's in the patches directory by now, but may be in submissions. Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: ALR Pentium machines (LONG) Message-ID: <1993May27.065718.4244@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993May22.144213.1462@ccsi.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 93 06:57:18 GMT In article <1993May22.144213.1462@ccsi.com> shill@ccsi.com (Sean L. Hill) writes: > Here are some machines that could be fun to run NEXTSTEP on .... > And oh but the prices... (see below) .. lots of specs deleted .... > > *Bundled system includes: local bus video graphics card, 14" SVGA monitor, > MS-DOS 6.0, MS-Windows 3.1 and mouse > Is there a discount if we don't get the MS-DOS/Windows? Ha. Ha. -Avery
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Parity memory question Message-ID: <1993May27.065949.4330@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Thu, 27 May 93 06:59:49 GMT Hi- I read that you get a performance hit if you use parity memory on a NeXT machine. How much of a performance loss do you get? Specifically on a NeXT color turbo with 70ns SIMMS? And when you turn parity checking off, do you still get a performance hit? Thanks, Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
From: neuss@igd.fhg.de (Christian Neuss ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HD crash... need good advice and pain killers. Keywords: crash, SCSI, Toshiba, crap Message-ID: <neuss.738434793@ramazzotti> Date: 26 May 93 16:46:33 GMT References: <1993May23.223830.11649@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> <1993May24.125628.31246@rchland.ibm.com> Sender: news@igd.fhg.de Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin tpg@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Terry Gliedt) writes: >In article <1993May23.223830.11649@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd) writes: >|> >|> While attempting my first backup (I'm a poor student, so I have to borrow a >|> tape drive... no backup flames, please.) somehow my 1.2G Toshiba MK-538FB >|> drive bit the dust. It now usually refuses to come ready and makes a really >|> bad-sounding "clunk-clunk-clunk" instead of the pleasant little chirp it >|> usually makes when it comes up to speed. >|> >|> Questions: >|> Has anyone had similar experiences with Toshiba (or any) HDs? >|> Is it more likely a head crash or chip burnout (solid state error)? >|> Does anyone have any good reccomendations for data recovery firms? [munch] >If, for instance the label area of your disk was trashed, the operating system >would not be able to find important areas of the disk and the disk would cycle >again and again with this click-click sound. >Unfortunately I was never able to revive any disk that got in this condition >(but >then I had backups that worked). I suspect it is possible to resurrect your >disk, but I can't give you any more help than some sympathy. Good luck Oh-oh.. poor chap.. what one *can* do is the following.. we once had a disk crash and did this.. If the disk is not physically defect, one can still access it via the raw interface via /dev/rsd0a (number may be different, since you'll need another disk for booting). What you can then do is dump the disk on a tape, and then process that tape block by block.. you'll lose alot, but you can at least retrieve some data. The first thing to try is boot via CDROM or via another HD (or even attach this disk to another machine), so that your disk is *not* the bootdisk, but an additional data disk. MAKE A DUMP TO TAPE FIRST or perhaps its possible to set the disk read-only. Some disks have jumpers for this purpose. It might be possible to read that disk. perhaps.. well probably.. you'll have to fsck first.. but if you are lucky, only the bootrecord is crashed.. and perhaps the data files are still ok.. What does the monitor say BTW? enter it via cmd-cmd-~ or alt-cmd-~ if you have a turbostation, then type mon, then (in mon) type "b" for boot. Then you're able to see the diagnostic messages.. could be helpfull. Good luck man Chris /* * Christian Neuss % neuss@igd.fhg.de % ..in the humdrum */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: fekjsv@luecfou.ec.lu.se (Johan Svensson) Subject: re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993May27.132300.2979@nomina.lu.se> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Sender: news@nomina.lu.se (USENET News System) Organization: JoS-Ware Comp Tech References: <1tbb2g$26s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 13:23:00 GMT In article <1tbb2g$26s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) writes: >Hi, > >I need to get a SCSI DAT drive for making backups from a Novell server, >a Novell client (OS/2), a Sequent running Unix and a NeXT running >NeXT OS (BSD). > >Can anybody recommend a reliable machine ? Are there different recording >formats or are all DAT backups compatible with each other (assuming the same >backup software is used). > >Please respond by e-mail, I will summarize if there is any interest. > > >Thanks for any info, Ernst. One of the most widespread machines for any(?) platform is WangDAT 2Gig DAT. They also have got another machine with hardware compression, allowing You to store 2-8Gigs on a tape (4-5Gigs is the most appropriate amount). WangDATs exists as internal as well as external SCSI-units. Cheyenne Software has got backup-software for Novell NetWare and they have got 'agents' for a variety of platforms, including DOS, OS/2, Macintosh, SCO UNIX, Interactive UNIX and Solaris UNIX. The agents let You take backup on the machine the agent resides on to the tape on the NetWare-server. You can also take backup on other Novell-servers on the network. A WangDAT 2 Gig SCSI is about $1500 and Cheyenne ArcServe for a 50+ user NetWare-license is about the same. The agents are about (slightly varying) $400 each. As far as I have experienced 4mm DAT is a standard shared by many manufacturers with no compatibility problems. Regards, Johan Svensson, Manager @ JoS-Ware Comp Tech, Sweden
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: wc2q@weyl.math.Virginia.EDU (Wan-Ying Chang) Subject: how to insert a special char by using vi Message-ID: <C7ovF7.Gvz@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Howdy, Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <1tbb2g$26s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <1993May27.132300.2979@nomina.lu.se> Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 14:11:31 GMT I'm creating a dbase file by using vi. I need to insert a ASC(253) and asc(252) as the data delimiter for the dbase file. Could somebody please help me on that? Thanx in advance! Barry
From: yjwu@unix.cie.rpi.edu (Yeun-Jung Wu) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HD problems. Is it dead? Date: 27 May 1993 15:40:37 GMT Organization: CIE, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Message-ID: <1u2ndl$jos@usenet.rpi.edu> Keywords: HD I had been imformed a hard disk problem in a ND system. They told me that they did not follow the proper shutdown procedures to bring the machine down. Instead they pull the plug and also messed around SCSI cable which connects this external drive to ND. The following is the information I got when I installed it internally in my cube. (They modified /etc/rc.local to mount the file system in this external drive first so it must be a bootable drive.) Any hint? ------------------------------------------------------------------ .. .. .. Remote debugging enabled NeXT ROM Monitor 2.5 v66 NeXT Mach 2.1 Thu Mar 7 19:13:47 PST 1991;/ph1.Sources/projects/mk-108.14/RELEASE FPU version 0X41 physical memory = 24.00 megabytes. available memory = 22.89 megabytes. NBIC present fc0 at 0x2114100 SCSI 53C90A Controller, Target 7, as sc0 at 0x2114000 FUJITSU M2263S-1024 as sd0 at sc0 target 6 lun 0 Disk Label: MyDisk Disk Capacity 674 MB, Device Block 1024 bytes .. .. .. .. master CPU at slot 0 WARNING: clock gained 57 days, Load of /etc/mach_init, errno 2 trying /etc/init Load of /etc/init failed errno 2 trap : type 0xc fcode 8450 rw 8192 fault addr 0x2081 SP 0x1000d568 Sr 0x2004 trap : pc 0x4001edc trap : CPU 0 th 0x1000d898 proc 0x1000d438 pid 1 pcb 0x10dd500c traceback : fp 0x408d140 last fp 0x408d140 panic: (cpu 0) address error NeXT ROM Monitor 2.5 v66 panic: NeXT Mach 2.1 Thu Mar 7 19:13:47 PST 1991; /ph1_sources/projects/mk-108.14/RELEASE panic> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Since the SCSI command still senses this drive as Fujitsu 2263 the circuit board of this drive should retain some of its funtion, right? I did not quite remember what message when booted externally in their ND configuration. It is something like msg3.... repeated several times and finally giving up in a SCSI error. Any input is greatly appreciated! Yeun-Jung Wu Institute of Physics Academia Sinica Nankang, Taipei, 11529 Taiwan yjwu@phys.sinica.edu.tw
From: bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT compatible CD-ROM's Date: 27 May 1993 16:31:12 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u2qcgINNc1n@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> I had been contemplating buying a used NeXT CD-ROM drive, but the going prices are way too high for used equipment. Does anyoone know of a list of known and tested compatible CD-ROM drives. Cost and not access speed is the main concern. Any personal experiences would be most welcome. I have seen this type of question posted several times before, but it is suprisingly not a FAQ. Thanks.
From: dbora@ils.nwu.edu (Donald Bora) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.programmer Subject: Optical disk problems... Date: 27 May 1993 18:26:25 GMT Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u314h$41h@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> I have an optical disk question. I acquired a Next cube knowing full well that the OD didn't work. Well, I used the instructions for opening up the drive and cleaning it out and I am farther (it was mega dusty) but not quite all the way there. I tried to read the first disk and got disk errors in the 280000 sector ( I think ) ... I reformatted the disk and was able to read and write information, however, I still was getting those disk errors. Just to be sure it was the drive and not the disk I borrowed another disk from someone and got the same errors reading. A friend of mine has suggested that it may be an alignment thing. Anybody out there have any comments? -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Donald F. Bora | | | The Institute for the Learning Sciences | | O | Northwestern University | (--|--) Evanston, Ill | | e-mail: dbora@ils.nwu.edu | / \ work: (708) 467-1972 | --------Be excellent to each other--------
From: john@klein.Mines.Colorado.EDU (John Stockwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: fax modems Message-ID: <1993May27.210804.34849@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: 27 May 93 21:08:04 GMT Sender: news@slate.mines.colorado.edu Organization: Colorado School of Mines Hi. I am interested in purchasing a fax modem to run off a NeXTstation. I would appreciate it greatly if any users experieced with fax modem operation on the NeXT would recomend the best brand(s) to purchase. Cost info would be helpful, as well. I would also be interested in hearing any tips/caveats that you might be willing to share. Please send e-mail to: john@dix.mines.colorado.edu John Stockwell Center for Wave Phenomena Colorado School of Mines Golden, CO 80401
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: toad@toadstool.UUCP (Kevin Cheek) Subject: Fujitsu 128MB MO - HELP Message-ID: <TOAD.93May26184433@toadstool.UUCP> Sender: toad@toadstool.uucp (Kevin Cheek) Organization: the toadstool, Ann Arbor MI Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 22:44:39 GMT I am having trouble getting a Fujitsu 3.5" 128MB MO (M2511A) to work with my Mono 040 slab. During boot-up, the drive is recognized and if a disk is in, it reads the label correctly. However, when I log in, the panel comes up telling me the disk is damaged. Whether I pick Initialize or Repair, the drive whirrs and then spits out the disk while spewing error messages onto the console. When I put an unformatted disk in, the NeXT will try to format but then ejects. I RTFM and called Fujitsu to no avail. If anyone has any suggestions, disktab entries, whatever - please e-mail to: toad%toadstool@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us Thanks in advance for any help. The error messages and other info follows: ********************************* Target 6: BUSY; retry 1 Target 6: BUSY; retry 2 Target 6: BUSY; retry 3 Target 6: BUSY; retry 4 Target 6: BUSY; retry 5 Target 6: BUSY; retry 6 Target 6: BUSY; retry 7 Target 6: BUSY; retry 8 Target 6: BUSY; retry 9 Target 6: BUSY; retry 10 Target 6: BUSY; retry 11 Target 6: BUSY; retry 12 Target 6: BUSY; retry 13 Target 6: BUSY; retry 14 Disk Label: test Disk Capacity 121MB, Device Block 512 bytes unknown argument /usr/etc/disk -i -h toadstool -l "test" /dev/rsd3a sd3 (6,0): ERROR op:0x1a sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd3 (6,0): sense key:0x5 additional sense code:0x24 SCSI Block in error = 0 (front porch) disk name: FUJITSU M2511A disk type: removable_rw_scsi writing disk label sd3: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 1 sd3: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 2 sd3: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 3 sd3: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 4 sd3: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x1e00, resid = 0x1c48, retry 5 . .and so on .and so on . sd3: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x400, resid = 0x400, retry 5 sd3: Incomplete disk transfer; bytes moved = 0x400, resid = 0x400, retry 6 sd3: UNIT ATTENTION sd3 (6,0): ERROR op:0x2a sd_state:4 scsi status:0x0 sd3 (6,0): sense key:0x6 additional sense code:0x29 SCSI Block in error = 0 (no valid label) write error: 124252 wtfs: I/O error /usr/etc/newfs /dev/rsd3a failed (status 1) ********************************* /etc/disk gives me: toadstool:3# /etc/disk /dev/rsd3a disk name: FUJITSU M2511A disk type: removable_rw_scsi Disk utility disk> label label information: print, write? print current label information on disk: disk label version #3 disk label: test disk name: FUJITSU M2511A-512 disk type: removable_rw_scsi ncyls 80 ntrack 2 nsect 777 rpm 3600 sector_size 1024 front_porch 160 back_porch 0 ngroups 0 ag_size 0 ag_alts 0 ag_off 0 boot blocks: #1 at 32 #2 at 96 bootfile: sdmach host name: toadstool root partition: a read/write partition: b part base size bsize fsize cpg density minfree newfs optim automount type a 0 124253 8192 1024 16 4096 5% yes space yes 4.3BSD disk> ********************************* There are several switches on the drive. They are: 1 0 01 SCSI data bus parity check On Off 02 Synchronous data transfer request Drive Host 03 Device Mode MO Fixed disk 04 Spindle Auto-Stop mode On Off 05 Reserved N/A N/A 06 Factory Test On Off 07 SCSI unit attention report mode Off On 08 Factory test On Off The factory settings are: 10010000 Their IBM PC/AT rec. settings are: 10110000 Their Mac rec. settings are: 00100010 I have tried all three. -- Kevin Cheek --=NeXTMail OK!=-- | Dawn, n.: The time when men toad%toadstool@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us | of reason go to bed. toad%toadstool@iunet.ann-arbor.mi.us | -- Ambrose Bierce, toad@toadstool.UUCP | "The Devil's Dictionary"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Subject: Re: NeXT compatible CD-ROM's Message-ID: <C7pIn4.A8E@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada References: <1u2qcgINNc1n@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 22:33:04 GMT In <1u2qcgINNc1n@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) writes: > I had been contemplating buying a used NeXT CD-ROM drive, but the > going prices are way too high for used equipment. Does anyoone know > of a list of known and tested compatible CD-ROM drives. Cost and > not access speed is the main concern. Any personal experiences would > be most welcome. I have seen this type of question posted several times > before, but it is suprisingly not a FAQ. Thanks. There *is* a list in the FAQ. It is a Usenet summary of drives that have successfully been used. See: Subject: D8. What non-NeXT CD Players that work with a NeXT? -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@next01.cc.umanitoba.ca NeXT Computer, Inc. mtacchi@NeXT.COM (NeXT Mail Welcome) "My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: messner@hopper.Virginia.EDU (David Messner) Subject: Modem recommendation desired Message-ID: <C7ozyC.HzL@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Summary: Any suggestions on purchase of NeXT- compatible modem? Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 15:49:24 GMT I understand that the NeXT has some special requirements for a modem to be compatible with the hardware. Rather than search through technical literature, I was hoping someone might have some practical experience who could give me a suggestion of a quality brand/model. Looking for 14.4K modem or less which will be compatible. Also, will I require a special cable and if so, will I have to make this myself or is one available? Any help you can give is greatly appreciated. Email to messner@hopper.acs.virginia.edu or post here. DaveM...................XXXXX.................................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Organization: Resonex Inc., Fremont CA References: <1tbb2g$26s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <1993May27.132300.2979@nomina.lu.se> Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 20:29:28 GMT In article <1993May27.132300.2979@nomina.lu.se> fekjsv@luecfou.ec.lu.se (Johan Svensson) writes: > >In article <1tbb2g$26s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> ernst@cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker) writes: [...] >One of the most widespread machines for any(?) platform is WangDAT 2Gig DAT. They also have >got another machine with hardware compression, allowing You to store 2-8Gigs on a tape (4-5Gigs >is the most appropriate amount). I would discourage from using drives with HW compression. 1. The HW compression is violating the compatibility to other vendors, but the pure DDS format is compatible. 2. You can still use the LZW compression (gnutar ?). 3. The multiple Gigs on one DAT cassette sound attractive, but the feature can turn into a horror, when the tape would fail to read at all (the problems with DAT/DDS tapes happen -if at all- mostly at the beginning of the tape). Probably it is better to loose *only* 2 Gigs instead of 5 or 8 ? :) 4. The price of the DDS cassettes is low, so the 2 Gig per tape is still the great achievement. Of course, people with several Gigs of HD attached to the system may see it differently. >A WangDAT 2 Gig SCSI is about $1500 ... It is the question of taste, but I would prefere HP DAT for about $1200 or drives based on Archive's great mechanism (again about $1200). >As far as I have experienced 4mm DAT is a standard shared by many >manufacturers with no compatibility problems. > ONLY WHEN WITHOUT HW COMPRESSION !!! >Johan Svensson, Manager @ JoS-Ware Comp Tech, Sweden -Z.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) Subject: Re: how to insert a special char by using vi Message-ID: <1993May27.213110.281@resonex.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Howdy, Organization: Resonex Inc., Fremont CA References: <1tbb2g$26s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <1993May27.132300.2979@nomina.lu.se> <C7ovF7.Gvz@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 21:31:10 GMT In article <C7ovF7.Gvz@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wc2q@weyl.math.Virginia.EDU (Wan-Ying Chang) writes: > I'm creating a dbase file by using vi. I need to insert a ASC(253) and >asc(252) as the data delimiter for the dbase file. Could somebody please help me on that? Thanx in advance! > >Barry > I think "vi(1)" on NeXT is not capable to save non-ASCII characters. Some UNIX systems had extended their version of "vi(1)" (or rather "ex(1)") to work with 8-bit character set (e.g. the HP-UX). 1. You can put instead some unique characters into the file, and then translate them into your characters using the "tr(1)" utility. For example, edit your file and put at appropriate places the ^B and ^C instead of ASC(253) and ASC(252) (you add the ^B pressing ^V^B while appending, etc.). Then you type: tr '\002\003' '\253\252' < your_file > another_file and all ^B will be translated into ASC(253), etc. 2. If the special characters ar at the end of the file, you can append them with B-Shell echo: sh -c 'echo "\0253\0252\c"' >> your_file The "\c" was added to avoid the newline (if appropriate). 3. Some people would advice to switch to emacs, but it is a "religious" subject. I use "vi". -Z.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brill@sybase.com (Michael Brill) Subject: RAM on Compaq - where'd it go? Message-ID: <C7pMGu.E6y@sybase.com> Sender: usenet@sybase.com Organization: Sybase, Inc. Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 23:55:42 GMT I know this is a longshot here, but... I have a Compaq Deskpro 66M with a Kingston memory card with 64 megs RAM. At boot time, the machine checks all 64 megs... however NeXTSTEP only sees 16 megs. Anyone know what might be wrong? I called Compaq and after 45 minutes of telling the person that NeXTSTEP was not NT (!), I gave up. Thanks, ...Michael (brill@sybase.com)
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/Intel...PostScript printers only Message-ID: <83.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 93 00:04:48 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Paul Hegarty confirmed at NeXTWORLD that NEXTSTEP 3.1 does not include support for non-PostScript printers. Apparently there is work underway to provide a "PrinterDriverKit" similar to the DriverKit for support of non-PostScript printers, but this will require a separate license from Adobe. Don't recall any dates specified. Offhand this strikes me as particularly greedy on Adobe's part. NEXTSTEP is the one environment to completely endorse DisplayPostScript...the only one in which they receive royalties for each desktop sold, not just each printer on the network...and they want to squeeze out a little more. Ironically, BECAUSE DPS is so central to NEXTSTEP it is difficult if not impossible to write printer specific drivers without this license. I hope this does not backfire the way the "uncrackable" proprietary Type 1 format did. Best to keep waiting for official word, but meanwhile beef up the ftp servers at the Ghostscript sites. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) Subject: Re: Review of HP35480A SCSI DAT Drive (I bought one, so...) Message-ID: <1993May26.215538.21376@resonex.com> Organization: Resonex Inc., Fremont CA References: <1tuovf$3jg@moonshot.west.oic.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 21:55:38 GMT In article <1tuovf$3jg@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: [an excellent essay about DAT drive follows ...] [I have some comments, however; -Z] ... > * a dd from the same tape to /dev/null took.. oops, forgot to turn off > NewsGrazer prefetch.. try again... ok... 880 seconds (14.6 minutes) or > 417 KBytes/sec overall average. > > dd if=/dev/nrst0 bs=65536 of=/dev/null Hmm. Under NS2.1 there was a limit of 32k in block size. Test done under NS3.0 suggests that the limit is 64k. Is it true ? Is it documented ? > The drive has the ability to unload its heads without ejecting the tape. >This is accomplished through standard SCSI commands (it took 10 minutes to >write a program to send the appropriate SCSI commands, I have included the >program below). This feature allows you to safely leave a DDS tape in the > drive without causing head-wear. The HP DAT drives do automatic head unload after certain time of idle state. I think it is after 20 seconds. Anyway, one can leave the tape inside without head-wear. > Firmware is upgradable electronically, though I'm not sure how useful >this will turn out to be. They probably use flash roms. That's right, they use flash roms. There were many bugs in the firmware of DAT drives discovered (mainly the lack of compatibility with older drives) so using the SW upgrade of the firmware is very useful (we did it once). > > The drive keeps a log of tape use at the beginning of each tape. Not sure >how useful this would be. How do you know ? Is this log accessible ? If anybody knows anything about it please speak out. It could be very useful for evaluating of wear of the tape. In general DAT its a great invention. It turns to be a horror, however, when someone has more than 1GB of data on the tape and suddenly writes EOD at the beginning of the tape. Then YOU CANNOT EXTRACT anything from this tape. -Z.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rauch@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Felix Rauch) Subject: HD doesn't 'click' anymore after poweroff Message-ID: <1993May28.115941.19542@ifi.unizh.ch> Keywords: hard drive, hd, click Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: Informatik Club d. Universitaet, Zuerich Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 11:59:41 GMT I have a problem with my built-in hard disk drive (I have a NeXTstation color with 400md hd, Seagate, running 3.0). Normally when I power off the system (it's a stand alone machine, so I power it off every night), after the screen goes dark, the drive gets slower and finally klicks. Something like: UUUUuuuueeeeeeeeee[click] Some days ago there was a pause before the click: UUUUuuuueeeeee [click] But now, there isn't anymore a click. UUUUuuuueeeeeee [silence] Now my questions: Is this 'normal'? Is it important? Does it mean that my drive doesn't park anymore? Btw: The station is approx. 8 months old... Many thanks in advance, Felix Rauch -- * Felix Rauch @ ETH Zuerich, Switzerland * e-mail: rauch@avalon.physik.unizh.ch * decnet: EZINFO::XILEF
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Doug Moore Subject: 25Mhz Station Acceleration? Message-ID: <C7qvA7.54r@news.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 16:02:42 GMT There was talk a while back of hardware accelerators for stations. I'm assuming that there was no info about this at NWE, but what exactly are the possibilities? I can see a Nitro upgrade as being workable for the Turbo's with socketed CPU's, but how about those of us with permo-mounted chips? I'd love to buy a >40Mhz 040 upgrade with lots of cache, but then I could very well be dreaming. Anybody know anything? Doug Moore dmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu SLIP and NG rule
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi From: petcher@ebenezer.wustl.edu (Donald N. Petcher) Subject: disktab for MOST optical drive Message-ID: <1993May28.162406.17520@wuphys.wustl.edu> Sender: usenet@wuphys.wustl.edu (USENET) Organization: Washington U. Physics Dept Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 16:24:06 GMT Can anyone give me a disktab entry for a MOST optical drive (which takes 256 Mb proprietary disks and the 128 Mb ISO standard disks)? I have it running on a NeXT (4.3 BSD equiv). I need the disktab primarily for the 256 Mb format. -- Don Petcher, petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu, petcher@ebenezer.wustl.edu Department of Physics, Washington University, Saint Louis, Missouri 63130
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: DPT Controller @#@!@## Message-ID: <1993May28.093118.1098@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 28 May 93 09:31:18 PDT I have been having all sorts of glitches with the DPT 2012B/95 controller. I know all the switches (and EISA settings) are correct, but: Occasionally (after a crash in particular when the disks aren't sync'ed), I get EATA timeouts. They are repeatable until I power down everything and let the system and disks rest for a while. Occasionally, the controller itself won't start up at reset time, and a simple quick power down will reinvigorate it. Or, the disks have to be powered down once in order for the controller to be able to talk to them again. SCSI Cables better be shielded now, or other unreliability problems creep in. DPT cannot understand about 1024byte blocks.... (Does the DPT properly initialize all disks at bootup time? I suspect some information/state is left over from the previous boot.) This SCSI stuff on the PC is anachronistic. SCSI worked so well on my old NeXT. It auto-detected almost everything. Am I the only one to be very disappointed by this PC feature? I wish NeXT took its old SCSI technology and created a PC adapter. Incidentally, there are two shining rays of light: my devices seem much faster, and DPT has very good technical support---their adapter needs it. (Incidentally, I haven't tried it, but people are telling me the Adaptec cards have similar problems. Now I am curious whether Intel will release a NS SCSI driver for its GX/Pro computer.) /ivo welch PS: Now, if NS is Unix for the rest of us, NeXT better get a competent and free (or almost free) tech support line going---as is standard in the PC world.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cdl@chiton.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein) Subject: SUMMARY: multi-speed CDrom drives Message-ID: <1993May28.170809.22503@chiton.ucsd.edu> Organization: Marine Physical Lab, UC San Diego Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 17:08:09 GMT Some time ago I posed this question. The answers have been underwhelming, but I did promise to summarize them. > > It's time to stop borrowing the Sun CDrom drive from at work. Having > > read the FAQ, I am left with another question: > > > > Are any of the multi-speed CDrom drives (NEC 74/84, Apple 300, > > Toshiba 3401,...) reliably useable on a NeXT? > > From: Carl Edman <cedman@capitalist.princeton.edu> > > Yep, they are as there is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be. > As for the Toshiba 3401, I can vouch for from personal experience. > > From: Scott Turner <scotty@gagetalker.com> > I haven't seen one. I've tried/bought 'em all and none have worked on > every machine tried. > > Currently I have a Toshiba 3401 and it kinda works with my turbo color, > and works with my mono slab. I also use it with my Mac IIvx and it > runs great there, does PhotoCD's with the Mac software (NS3.0 ejects > PhotoCD's when they're inserted.) > > From: Garance A Drosehn <gad@black-ice.its.rpi.edu> > > I have the Apple 300. It works most the time, but sometimes I get > errors reading certain files off of certain CD-ROM discs. If I have a > problem reading any file, it seems I always have problems reading that > file. That same file can be read OK on either a Mac (using the same > AppleCD 300 drive) or a NeXT using the NeXT CD-ROM drive. From: me The implication that a Sun CDrom drive works just fine on a NeXT is true, in my experience. Also verified in the FAQ. So last week I went out and bought a Toshiba 3401. So far, I have had no problems with it, once I had the appropriate software setup. That means NS3.0 or the correct version of CDROM.fs for NS2.1. If it matters, I am using it with a 68040 Cube. carl carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu clowenstein@ucsd.edu
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi Subject: Re: disktab for MOST optical drive Date: 28 May 1993 10:32:04 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1u5iak$gm3@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993May28.162406.17520@wuphys.wustl.edu> One doesn't need a disk tab entry. The unit is plug and play. I tested it myself almost two years ago. There are problems if you don't do things in the right order. Its kinda like digging a hole. I would advise you to start over with a fresh optical disc. 1) Make sure everything is off, including your NeXT. 2) Plug your optical mechanism in and turn it on first. 3) Do not put you optical in yet. 4) Turn on your NeXT and let everything power up. Let your NeXT recognize your drive. 5) Put your new fresh unused optical disc in. 6) The reply will ask you if you wish to reformat because its unreadable. Enter yes. 7) Vwala......... 8) If by chance your system wants to fix you disc, say yes. 9) One of the quirks I've found in supporting people is that once you tweak an optical it is a bear to fix if you don't know what your doing. Once you get a new one in there, it should work out. Then you can use the old one on your Mac which makes sense since MOST does not technically support their mechanism for the NeXT machines. I've got an extra five pack of opticals I'll sell you for $400 if your interested since I haven't even used up my first yet. Also, I heard that Anacrusis Productions is working out a deal to sell opticals at dealer cost to educators. Give them a buzz, maybe they can help you further (hee, hee, hee). See ya, maurices Maurice Shihadi
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 25Mhz Station Acceleration? Date: 28 May 1993 10:52:00 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1u5jg0$h0o@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <C7qvA7.54r@news.cis.umn.edu> I've been wondering about the Daystar Universal Powercash (?) upgrade for Macs and since an 040 is an 040; why wouldn't it work? Especially since it should go underneath the original 040 or replace the 030. I'm not too sure what I'm talking about here so hopefully someone else will help out. The only other problem is cost effectiveness. Then there is the 68060 and PowerPC release which should provide interesting possibilities along with a price tag of course. Since my interest is in non-broadcast quality industrial video there doesn't seem to be a need for an upgrade until a spec is aggreed upon and a chip is approved of. I still wonder, are these higher end upgrades really cost effective in the longer haul when weighing out the supporting hardware, buss speed, bit rate, etc. Can someone else comment? maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey) Subject: monitor dim Organization: University of Western Ontario Distribution: na Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 13:48:43 GMT Message-ID: <1993May28.134843.15744@julian.uwo.ca> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) does anyone from NeXT read this group? i have a dim monitor, yes you thought they were all returned, but mine was fine until a couple of months ago. sigh. is it still possible to get a replacement for serial number AA700221? please reply directly to me, ta. -- Lance R. Bailey System/Network Manager Robarts Research Institute NeXT/email: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca box: Clinical Trials Resources Group fax: +1 519 663 3789 P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Dr. vox: +1 519 663 3787 x4108 London, Canada N6A 5K8 Fortunately I have my feathers numbered for just such an emergency. -F. Leghorn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brill@sybase.com (Michael Brill) Subject: Re: RAM on Compaq - where'd it go? Message-ID: <C7qz56.CIy@sybase.com> Sender: usenet@sybase.com Organization: Sybase, Inc. References: <C7pMGu.E6y@sybase.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 17:27:06 GMT Follow up to disappearing RAM problem. On my EISA Compaq Deskpro 66M, NS only sees 16 megs RAM where actually I have 64 megs installed. 8 megs are on the motherboard (the maximum) and the remainder are on a Kingston memory card that is designed to make the RAM look like Compaq system RAM. DOS's HIMEM.EXE (.SYS) can see all 64 megs, however if my config.sys looks like: DEVICE=HIMEM.EXE /isaonly then it only sees 16 megs because ISA is limited to 16 megs. So my guess is that NS thinks I have an ISA machine and limits RAM to 16 megs. Anyone know how to let NS know that I paid about $16,000 for this piece of @#$%$ and I would be most appreciative if it saw all of my memory? Thanks, ...Michael Brill (brill@sybase.com)
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Monitor reference or solution needed. Date: 28 May 1993 16:04:25 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1u65pp$omt@spock.dis.cccd.edu> My SE/30's monitor is driving me nuts. Is there a way to get use of my NeXTstation Monochrome monitor? What card could I get for the Mac to make it work? I never use both computers at the same time and could really use the extra realestate. The NeXTstation could be turned off when using the Mac SE/30. Any ideas? or What would be a good color monitor to use with my SE/30 now (with Mac video card) and share with a NeXT box (486) later. Money? Haaa. A switcher box in this context would probably work but would a switcher box work with a NeXTstation or would all the stuff on the back of the monitor (keyboard, RCA jacks, power, etc.)get in the way? maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: root@azetsys.uucp (Operator) Subject: NeXT and HP Deskjet500 Message-ID: <1993May28.231205.761@azetsys.uucp> Organization: CleverLever Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 23:12:05 GMT Hi, First of all I would would like to thank again everyone who took their time, and sent helpful suggestions, software. From the various replies I have assembled a tried, tested recipe for connecting The NeXTStation Turbo to the HP Deskjet500. Software: sonata.cc.purdue.edu /pub/next/djf_for_3.0.tar.Z Cable configuration: Mini-Din DB25 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - shell bare 1 shield 1 DTR nc 2 DCD 4 RTS 3 TXD 3 RXD 4 GND 7 GND 5 RXD 2 TXD 6 RTS 5 CTS 7 nc 8 CTS 20 DTR 8 7 6 Looking into the mini-DIN socket. 5 4 3 2 1 /*Above information from Carl Lowenstein*/ Your DeskJet DIP switches should be set to disable perforation skip (switch bank 1, DIP 8 set UP) and to communicate with the computer at 19200 baud (switch bank 2, DIP 4 DOWN, 5 UP) with no parity (switch bank 2, DIP 6 & 7 set DOWN). See your DeskJet documentation for details on these or other settings. If you are using an older 68030 processor, you will probably need to change this to communicate at 9600 baud (DIPs 4&5 in switch bank 2 DOWN). The faster 68040 processors can support the faster speed. It has been my experience the printer should use DTR and XON/OFF (switch bank 2, DIP 8 UP). /* This is from a README by Terry Gliedt, DeskJet_2.03 */ I have purchased a cable, one end had the mini-din 8-pin plug, the other DB25, cut the cable in half, checked the existing pin-configurations with a voltmeter, and resoldered the cable to the proper configuration. As far as the quality, the HP Deskjet500 is not a laser printer, but for my use of printing out manuals, source, things like that it is perfect. Geza Fekete azetsys!root@uunet.uu.net
From: shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: question 'bout memory for NSC Message-ID: <128808@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 29 May 93 03:13:18 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: University of Pennsylvania I am trying to purchase a 16MB memory upgrade for my NeXTstation Color - it currently has 16MB RAM. It is one of the newer 25MHz color machines (bought thru NeXT's 70% off fire sale in August/September 92) and thus is supposed to have identical SIMM sockets to the turbo machines (am i correct?). Well it has 4 sockets and 2 8MB simms. I'd like to install 2 8MB simms in the 2 remaining SIMM slots and reading the faq's it looks like I need two 72pin 2x32 8MB simms, preferably 70ns. NeXT Connection however tells me that the 72pin 8MB simms for the turbo colors will not fit in my machine because of a clearance problem in the simm sockets. Everything I've read led me to believe that I could use the same simms as used in the turbo. Can anyone explain to me the difference, and better still give me _exact specification_ for the simms I need, so that I am equipped with the information when I go hunting at 3rd party vendors. Thanks, --Shumon Huque shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu --- Additional info if needed: print memory command 'm' from the rom monitor gives: Memory sockets 0&1 have 8MB of page mode SIMMS installed Memory sockets 2&3 have 8MB of page mode SIMMS installed Memory sockets 4&5 have no SIMMS Memory sockets 6&7 have no SIMMS which is the same as given on a nearby turbo mono station. ---
From: rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Two-headed PCs for NeXTSTEP/FIP Date: 29 May 1993 05:24:46 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <1u6s2u$cng@umd5.umd.edu> Hi, At the expo, a couple of NeXT employees told me that it is possible to configure a PC with two (2) screens by using two different video cards (e.g. S3 and ATI VL-BUS). This is going to be supported in 3.2, but should be in 3.1 (unsupported). Can anyone with a two-headed NeXTSTEP PC tell me what their hardware configuration is? Thanks, Ross. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@wam.umd.edu
From: shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: NeXT color monitors information Message-ID: <128813@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 29 May 93 04:54:57 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: University of Pennsylvania As you may recall I posted a while ago regarding replacements/repair of NeXT color monitors. Here is some information I found, that might be useful to others. The cheapest source I could find for replacements is from Sam Goldberger of Spherical Solutions [smg@orb.com]. He sells 17" fimi monitors for $600 and 21" Hitachi monitors for $1400. They come with a 30 day warranty from spherical and a 1 year NeXT warranty. Sam, please correct me if I am wrong. I think that the prices are quite good, but the fimi is notoriously unreliable! I had many responses about the fimi being the most pathetic thing on the market, and I have to agree. One person last year I remember had a lab full of 25 new color workstations all equipped with fimi's - of which 10 monitors died within months - unbelievable! The hitachi's are on the other hand very reliable, and people inside NeXT tend to prefer them even over the 17" sony monitors. If you are looking to repair your monitor - don't ask Bell Atlantic unless you are prepared to spend mammoth amounts. The asked $1462 to service my 17" fimi! Distraught by this price I called Phillips who are the actual manufacturers of the monitor - turns out that the monitor is manufactured at a plant in Italy and Phillips service centers based in US wont service them. They did however refer me to the only place they knew of (in the US) who would - Pixelink Corporation in Hudson MA (508-562-4803). I called them and they recognized the monitor. They require a $90 flat fee plus whatever service costs they deem necessary - they will quote you a price after you ship them your unit and they have examined it and assessed the damage. They told me that the repair costs could total as much as $300 but are usually considerably less. As for me, my fimi magically returned to life today, after opened it up jiggled the power supply and put it back together again. The screen image is still shaking and blurring frequently and I don't trust it to remain alive indefinitely. I was offered a very good deal on a Hitachi from someone at NeXT and I'm going to purchase that. Hopefully that will last me for 2 years by which time I hope to move on to my PA/RISC NS machine!! :) If anyone wants to add any of their experiences, please do .. Cheers, --- Shumon Huque 4706 Hazel Avenue, Department of Computer Science Philadelphia, PA 19143 University of Pennsylvania, (215)726-1527 Internet: shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu, shuque@aurora.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: DPT Controller @#@!@## Message-ID: <C7rACy.2CJ@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993May28.093118.1098@mic.ucla.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 21:29:21 GMT In article <1993May28.093118.1098@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes: # #Incidentally, there are two shining rays of light: my devices seem much #faster, and DPT has very good technical support---their adapter needs it. #(Incidentally, I haven't tried it, but people are telling me the Adaptec cards #have similar problems. Now I am curious whether Intel will release a NS SCSI #driver for its GX/Pro computer.) They had one at the show running with it's internal SCSI. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: 25Mhz Station Acceleration? Message-ID: <C7rAno.2DC@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1u5jg0$h0o@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 21:35:48 GMT In article <1u5jg0$h0o@spock.dis.cccd.edu> maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) writes: #I've been wondering about the Daystar Universal Powercash (?) #upgrade for Macs and since an 040 is an 040; why wouldn't it work? #Especially since it should go underneath the original 040 or #replace the 030. I'm not too sure what I'm talking about here #so hopefully someone else will help out. The PowerCache uses a processor direct slot (PDS). If they make one that require removal of the '040 and they have a male PGA that is on the underside of a board with the faster CPU and cache on top, it will work as long as you have the clearance. I haven't seen any but those that plug into the PDS though. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: 25Mhz Station Acceleration? Message-ID: <C7rA9p.2Bs@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <C7qvA7.54r@news.cis.umn.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 21:27:25 GMT In article <C7qvA7.54r@news.cis.umn.edu> Doug Moore writes: #There was talk a while back of hardware accelerators for stations. I'm #assuming that there was no info about this at NWE, but what exactly are #the possibilities? I can see a Nitro upgrade as being workable for the #Turbo's with socketed CPU's, but how about those of us with permo-mounted #chips? I'd love to buy a >40Mhz 040 upgrade with lots of cache, but then There are no '040 CPUs in NeXT machines that are not socketed. Moorola doesn't have a '040 w/FPU in a surface mount package. #I could very well be dreaming. Anybody know anything? I don't know anything but I'd buy one also. I'm thinking of designing a '060 board when it becomes available. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Can We Use Next Monitor on Intel Box? Date: 29 May 1993 22:04:08 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1u94moINNhr7@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Hello all, Does anyone know if the Next 17" or 21" Trinitron monitors can be used with Intel based machines? If so, how exactly? I'd heard about 21" used. Thanks Robert robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT and HP Deskjet500 Message-ID: <87.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 93 10:47:43 PDT References: <1993May28.231205.761@azetsys.uucp> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: root@azetsys.uucp (Operator) > Message-ID: <1993May28.231205.761@azetsys.uucp> > Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 23:12:05 GMT > > Software: sonata.cc.purdue.edu > /pub/next/djf_for_3.0.tar.Z > > > Cable configuration: > > [serial cable stuff deleted] > > As far as the quality, the HP Deskjet500 is not a laser > printer, but for my use of printing out manuals, source, things > like that it is perfect. > > Geza Fekete azetsys!root@uunet.uu.net For NS/FIP users, the DeskJet will also run off the parallel port, using standard PC printer cables. Just change the device spec in printcap to /dev/pp0 and remove the baudrate etc. stuff. This configuration is also compatible with Ghostscript 2.6. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: M_Carling@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: question 'bout memory for NSC Message-ID: <1993May29.144048.19550@bluerose.com> Sender: m@bluerose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <128808@netnews.upenn.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 14:40:48 GMT In article <128808@netnews.upenn.edu> shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) writes: > > I am trying to purchase a 16MB memory upgrade for my NeXTstation Color - > it currently has 16MB RAM. It is one of the newer 25MHz color machines > (bought thru NeXT's 70% off fire sale in August/September 92) and thus > is supposed to have identical SIMM sockets to the turbo machines (am i > correct?). Such a machine was designed but never put into production. > Well it has 4 sockets and 2 8MB simms. Are you sure? I find this very difficult to believe. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: tcs@tcscs.com (Gregory Youngblood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: Two-headed PCs for NeXTSTEP/FIP Message-ID: <JHPc5B2w165w@tcscs.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 93 03:04:06 CDT References: <1u6s2u$cng@umd5.umd.edu> Organization: TCS Consulting Services rgc@wam.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: > Hi, > At the expo, a couple of NeXT employees told me that it is > possible to configure a PC with two (2) screens by using two different > video cards (e.g. S3 and ATI VL-BUS). This is going to be supported in > 3.2, but should be in 3.1 (unsupported). Can anyone with a two-headed NeXTST > PC tell me what their hardware configuration is? Thanks, Ross. I would like to see this myself. Perhaps if the cards can be configured to truly become secondary. I know in DOS/Windows/OS2 and I believe it is a hardware limitation, that you can't run two VGA ro SVGA cards...one of them has to be the primary display. I can see how it might be possible with some special configurations, and Iw ould welcome to hear anyone's ideas on the matter, but am not to enthused about the psosibilities. I know it is no problem to connect a monochrome and VGA/SVGA to the same machine as I was running Windows like this for a whle.. Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Specializing in high performance 486 computer systems for NeXTSTEP! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCS Consulting Services | Personal: zeta@tcscs.com 1666 White Bear Avenue, Suite 113 | TCS Systems: TCS-Systems-Info@tcscs.com Saint Paul, MN 55106 | (612)771-3830 | Mail-server: Mail-Server@tcscs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please send bounce reports to: SysAdmin%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: APS External 520 Fujitsu? Date: 30 May 1993 14:01:50 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1uasqeINNbpf@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Hello, I'm considering a Fujitsu 520 EXTERNAL HD for a Color Turbo put in a case by APS Technologies (better known for Mac drives). Has anyone used one of these drives? I know the Fujitsu's ok, but want to find out about incompatibilities with the APS components. Thanks! Robert de Lucca robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket) Subject: Re: Writing tar files to external Floppies (WAS: Reading Sun floppies) Message-ID: <1993May30.210818.12666@venice.sedd.trw.com> Sender: news@venice.sedd.trw.com (USENET News) Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA References: <1993May26.223906.20977@wdl.loral.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1993 21:08:18 GMT In article <1993May26.223906.20977@wdl.loral.com> mdm@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Mike D Marchionna) writes: > > This topic has been brought up before, but always is explained in terms of > dealing with internal floppy drives. I haven't seen anybody mention if > there is something special that must be done to write Sun readable tar > files on the NeXT using an external floppy drive. I also have the PLI external superfloppy but it works fine for me (and I've moved a lot of data via tar floppies). Your /dev settings look fine so all I can suspect is bad hardware or bad termination. My PLI documentation discussed a (implied 2 position) switch on the back for setting termination. My switch is a three position and is set in the middle setting (termination==yes). You might want to try an external terminator. Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer From: bkr@drdhh.hanse.de (Bjoern Kriews) Subject: ioctl() on pty / Termserver Message-ID: <1993May30.172630.20248@drdhh.hanse.de> Summary: Possible to do ioctl(DTR) on a NeXT pty ? Keywords: ioctl, pty, Terminalserver Organization: Digital Island Date: Sun, 30 May 1993 17:26:30 GMT Hi ! I have a Livingston PortMaster Terminalserver using a daemon running under SunOS. This daemon has the option of emulating real ttys - meaning you can do speed setting, DTR control etc. as on a on-board device. I have read the pty man page and discovered only an option to pass USER-ioctl (_IO('u'...). So I wonder if it is possible to implement these features on a NeXT. Any help or pointers appreciated and thanks for your time, Bjoern Please answer by mail, I'll post a summary. -- bkr@drdhh.hanse.de - Bjoern Kriews - Stormsweg 6 - D-2000 Hamburg 76 - FRG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yesterday Moelln, Solingen today. Do we need tomorrow ? Yes, a better one.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: zyrtec!micha (Michael_Wolter) Subject: Re: Parity memory question Message-ID: <1993May29.202205.654@zyrtec.han.de> Sender: micha@zyrtec.han.de Organization: Private Site References: <1993May27.065949.4330@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 20:22:05 GMT In article <1993May27.065949.4330@leland.Stanford.EDU> avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) writes: > Hi- > I read that you get a performance hit if you use parity memory on a NeXT > machine. How much of a performance loss do you get? Specifically on a NeXT > color turbo with 70ns SIMMS? > > And when you turn parity checking off, do you still get a performance hit? > I think that the turbos do hardware parity checking. There is no performance loss on a turbo using parity simms. -- Michael Wolter voice : 0511/2102503 e-mail: micha@zyrtec.han.de (NeXT-Mail welcome)
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Review of HP35480A SCSI DAT Drive (I bought one, so...) Date: 31 May 1993 00:05:58 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uc076INNeu@systemix.com> References: <1tuovf$3jg@moonshot.west.oic.com> In article <1tuovf$3jg@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: > > Well folks, a short while ago I was in the market for a tape backup unit >and started researching my options. A friend of mine in Germany suggested the >HP 35480A SCSI DAT backup drive and I looked into it. I called HP and they >gave two numbers for resellers: > > Anthem Inc 1-800-359-3580 > Arrow 1-800-323-4373 > Peripheral Solutions has these drives cheaper than any other source I've seen. You can call them at 800.ALL.DISK. >LACKS > > There does not appear to be a way to determine how full a tape is. I am >not 100% familiar with SCSI tape commands so I could be missing something. >There is no front panel-display, only two bi-color LEDs. > Actually the drive does report the number of 1K blocks remaining. Look at the Log Sense data for page 31. BEGIN SHAMELESS PLUG You should download SafetyNet from the archives. It supports this drive well and features: control of compression, remaining capacity reporting, incremental as well as full backups, and the most amazing feature of the drive, seeking. Using the drive's ability to seek, any file can be located in less than one minute. This is pretty amazing for 4 or 5 gigabytes worth of data. END SHAMELESS PLUG Cheers, Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Configuring an old Hayes 1200 modem on an 030 cube Message-ID: <8808@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 30 May 93 05:06:19 GMT Sender: news@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, U.C.S.B. I am trying to set up one of the people in our studio with an old Hayes Smartmodem (1200 Baud) on an 030 Cube. I have given them one of the Mac modem cables that I used when I had an 030 cube which worked great with my 2400 baud Hayes-compatible modem. When I tested my modem on this person's cube, it worked fine with this cable, but when I connect up their modem and attempt to access it via tip or kermit, I get the "device busy" message. This person's modem does not appear to have any non-volatile memory; it does not understand any of the AT& commands for setting registers, so I cant find any way to change how what it does with carrier-detection or DSR. It is my guess that it is somehow setting these permenantly on (it was being used with an old dumb terminal) and this is why the NeXT device thinks it is busy. One final thing: this older modem worked with an 040 cube using the 040-style modem cables. That doesnt help me on the 030, though. Any suggestions on what might be wrong and how it could be fixed? Thanks in advance! -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Review of HP35480A SCSI DAT Drive (I bought one, so...) Date: 30 May 1993 22:54:00 -0700 Organization: Homeless Electron Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uc6ho$ig@moonshot.west.oic.com> References: <1993May26.215538.21376@resonex.com> In article <1993May26.215538.21376@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: :In article <1tuovf$3jg@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: : :[an excellent essay about DAT drive follows ...] : [I have some comments, however; -Z] :... :> * a dd from the same tape to /dev/null took.. oops, forgot to turn off :> NewsGrazer prefetch.. try again... ok... 880 seconds (14.6 minutes) or :> 417 KBytes/sec overall average. :> :> dd if=/dev/nrst0 bs=65536 of=/dev/null : :Hmm. Under NS2.1 there was a limit of 32k in block size. Test done under NS3.0 :suggests that the limit is 64k. Is it true ? Is it documented ? I didn't try anything larger then 64K, and that did seem to work. :> The drive has the ability to unload its heads without ejecting the tape. :>This is accomplished through standard SCSI commands (it took 10 minutes to :>write a program to send the appropriate SCSI commands, I have included the :>program below). This feature allows you to safely leave a DDS tape in the :> drive without causing head-wear. : :The HP DAT drives do automatic head unload after certain time of idle state. :I think it is after 20 seconds. Anyway, one can leave the tape inside without :head-wear. Ah, nice to know. :> Firmware is upgradable electronically, though I'm not sure how useful :>this will turn out to be. They probably use flash roms. : :That's right, they use flash roms. There were many bugs in the firmware :of DAT drives discovered (mainly the lack of compatibility with older drives) :so using the SW upgrade of the firmware is very useful (we did it once). : :> :> The drive keeps a log of tape use at the beginning of each tape. Not sure :>how useful this would be. : :How do you know ? Is this log accessible ? If anybody knows anything about it :please speak out. It could be very useful for evaluating of wear of the tape. Negative, didn't test log access, just read that you could in the manual. :In general DAT its a great invention. It turns to be a horror, however, when :someone has more than 1GB of data on the tape and suddenly writes EOD at the :beginning of the tape. Then YOU CANNOT EXTRACT anything from this tape. : : -Z. Matthew Dillon dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com 1005 Apollo Way dillon@overload.berkeley.ca.us Incline Village, NV. 89451 ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop) USA Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: DPT and Compaq psychosis continued Message-ID: <bchin.738800482@nextsrv1> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <C7nqE5.4n1@sybase.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1993 22:21:22 GMT brill@sybase.com (Michael Brill) writes: >As an addition to my last post... after I install NS, it comes up in >640x480 mode and I can do all the regular stuff. However, once I shut down >the machine and try to restart - I cannot reboot it. So apparently the >software is installed OK, but it just won't boot. As a sidenote, I just >noticed that the NS partition is #2 (there is a DOS partition before it). >Does that help? >Thanks, ...Michael Brill (brill@sybase.com) I don't know if you recieved an answer yet, but here goes (I'm catching up on news since I was at NWE) Are you sure that you have an active partition defined? Use fdisk to set the active partition - on some machines, if there is no active partition, it goes into la-la land. Others might have a copy of BASIC in ROM, or the smart ones recognize the problem and ask you to put in a bootable disk. Nevertheless, you should get the "What partition do you want to boot from?" message. Just type "n" for NeXTSTEP. Good luck! -- Bill Chin, NeXTSTEP Developer, PRC Inc. VP Communications, Washington Area NeXT Users Group Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Technical Staff bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: HELP! for NeXTSTEP on Gateway machine Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993May31.193815.12822@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 19:38:15 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Organization: IBM Rochester Greetings fellow netters! I arrived back from the NeXTWorld Expo and have been trying to install NeXTSTEP on my Gateway 2000, 486 machine at home and have run into some difficulties. It's the weekend, so I don't expect NeXT to be open right now, and I tried NeXTanswers but they didn't solve my problem so I thought I would appeal to the collective wisdom out there and see if anyone was experiencing the same problems. Please email me at tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com or give me a ring at 507-289-8492. (I'll call you back right away so I pay for the phone call!) Hardward: Gateway 2000 486-33. (Approx 1.5 years old) 8 Megs memory on the system ISA bus 1 3.5" disk drive 1 3.5" 200 meg IDE drive 1 NEC 74 Multispin CD-ROM drive (SCSI device 0) 1 Gateway programmable keyboard (2 200 Meg SCSI harddisks -- to be added after the base OS is installed) 1 Adaptec 1542B SCSI controller v 3.1 on the ROMS 1 Diamond Speedstar Display card v 4.23 1 Meg memory 1 Microsoft mouse, installed on COM1 Here's what happens.... I fire up my system. Turn on CD-ROM drive first then 486 CPU. System boots normally, displays diamond speedstar message indicates 1 meg memory on card, count memory, then displays message from Adaptec card that it is v3.1 of ROMS it indicates that it found my IDE c: drive, then finds the CD-ROM drive and assignes it as D: The Floppy disk drive takes over at this point and begins loading NeXTSTEP. (The NeXTSTEP CD-ROM and installation are in their respective drives from startup.) I get past the boot: prompt... it displays "reading system config: /usr/Devices/system.config/Instance0.table loading mach_kernal .+++++++++++++.+.+.+ (screen clears at this point and displays) NeXTMach 3.1 Thu Apr 29 23:44:40 PDT 1993; root(rcbuilder): Objects/mk-149.22.3.obj ~2/RELEASE_I386 physical memory=8.00 megabytes using 20 buffers containing 0.15 megabytes of memory available memory=5.64 megabytes vm_page_free_count 2b3 ISA bus warning: using internal backup device configuration tables PCPointer probe: mouseInit failure Registering: PCkeyboard0 at that point the system comes to a grinding halt. The floppy disk light stays on but the drive does not read any more. In addition with my Gateway 2000 programmable keyboard, at this point, the keyboard program light will start to blink. I also tried a friends normal keyboard but the system again got this far and then died on the spot. I have checked the first serial port and second serial port. They are both correctly set to IRQ 4 port 0x3f8 and IRQ 3 port 0x2f8 respectively. The parralel port is also correctly set to 0x378. I have tried at the boot: prompt config=Default and that resulted in a number of can't find ... messages so I an pretty sure that is not the correct route to go. At this point I suspect the Adaptec card is incorrectly set up. Could anyone who has NeXTStep/INTEL running with an adaptec 1542B card send me mail with ALL the jumper settings. I would be most in your debt! Thanks for any help in advance. I really really want to get NeXTSTEP on my system. I've always be most impressed with it, and after being at the NeXTWorld Expo and seeing it in person I'm even more fanatical about it. It's head and shoulders over Windoze N(ice)T(ry), Windoze, and OS/2 v2.0. that's : tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com or (507)289-8492 -- Tom Gall IBM Rochester, Minnesota tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: will NS/I run on a Northgate 25Mhz 486? Date: 31 May 1993 21:12:04 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <1udsb4$5vr@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> I've got an early 25 Mhz Northgate 486 with a 200 meg Conner SCSI drive, 8 megs of memory, Adaptec controller, Microsoft mouse, SVGA screen. Does anybody know whether this will run NS/I? (I realize this is very underpowered; I've got a color Turbo at work, so I don't really need to do anything on the Northgate at home; but I wouldn't mind running NeXTstep on it if it is feasible.) -- Hal.Varian@umich.edu Hal Varian voice: 313-764-2364 Dept of Economics fax: 313-764-2364 Univ of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
From: bozcaada@athena.mit.edu (Tolga J Erdogus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Cube/040 for sale. Date: 1 Jun 1993 01:38:42 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uebv2INN7q6@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Keywords: Desperately need money. No reasonable offer rejected... NeXT Cube with: brand new 040 board, brand new Optical drive, 400 dpi Laser Printer, 17 inch monitor, 14K bps ZyXel modem with registered NXFax, BUT no hard drive.(hard drive died and I have no money) just graduated from MIT and need money to resettle in New York... Make me an offer(please!) I am the former MIT CC and can build the hardrive for you, if you want, and can also supply you with programs which are on an OD. Contact: Tolga Erdogus (617) 225-7275 362 Memorial Drive Cambridge, MA 02139 E-mail: bozcaada@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: df@watershed.com (Dirk P. Fromhein) Subject: Re: HELP! for NeXTSTEP on Gateway machine Message-ID: <C7x2tI.u5@ripple.uunet> Sender: jaeger@ripple.uunet (Dirk P. Fromhein) Organization: Watershed Technologies, Inc. References: <1993May31.193815.12822@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 00:32:05 GMT In article <1993May31.193815.12822@rchland.ibm.com> tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) writes: > [munch] > loading mach_kernal > .+++++++++++++.+.+.+ > (screen clears at this point and displays) > NeXTMach 3.1 Thu Apr 29 23:44:40 PDT 1993; root(rcbuilder): Objects/mk-149.22.3.obj ~2/RELEASE_I386 > physical memory=8.00 megabytes > using 20 buffers containing 0.15 megabytes of memory > available memory=5.64 megabytes vm_page_free_count 2b3 > ISA bus > warning: using internal backup device configuration tables > PCPointer probe: mouseInit failure > Registering: PCkeyboard0 > > at that point the system comes to a grinding halt. [munch] We have had the exact same problem with a generic clone, The mouse and keyboard just refused to register themselves (we also got an "Unexpected ACK from keyboard" error before the mouseInit failure) and the system just hangs. I just packed the system up and sent it back... went with a Intel Corsair system instead (and am fairly pleased). Sorry to be of absolutely no help :-) Dirk Fromhein df@watershed.com Watershed technologies, inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: I have 32MB RAM, NS/FIP will only see 16MB Message-ID: <C7z1D9.GC@news.otago.ac.nz> From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 01:55:57 GMT Sender: usenet@news.otago.ac.nz (News stuff) Organization: University of Otago Hi there, We have a Compaq Deskpro 66M running NS/FIP Pre-release 1. We originally had 16MB of RAM in it and recently upgraded it to 32MB. The problem is that NeXTSTEP will still only see 16MB. Is this something specific to the pre release, or does it happen all the time? Any help would be appreciated as we need to demo a system in two weeks with our app that make the window server grow to about 26MB, so 16 makes it swap like crazy! Many thanks Alastair -- ===================================================================== | Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 University of Otago, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 Department of Computer Science, | e-mail: P.O. Box 56 | alastair@piglet.otago.ac.nz Dunedin | or ATHOMSON@otago.ac.nz New Zealand | NeXTmail Welcome "God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life" John 3:16, paraphrase. =====================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lloyd@world.std.com (Chris Lloyd) Subject: Re: I have 32MB RAM, NS/FIP will only see 16MB Message-ID: <C7xAyL.AA5@world.std.com> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <C7z1D9.GC@news.otago.ac.nz> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 03:27:56 GMT In article <C7z1D9.GC@news.otago.ac.nz> ATHOMSON@otago.ac.nz writes: >We have a Compaq Deskpro 66M running NS/FIP Pre-release 1. >We originally had 16MB of RAM in it and recently upgraded it to 32MB. >The problem is that NeXTSTEP will still only see 16MB. Is this >something specific to the pre release, or does it happen all the >time? We had the same problem with the machine we rented for the Expo, a Compaq except with 24 megs. Unfortunately we didn't have time (and didn't really care) to mess around with it, but the people from NeXT helping us get NS installed on it said it had to do with shadow RAM under BIOS or somesuch and that you could fix the problem with the configure utilities that came with the machine and that it was a Compaq specific problem. So, I don't know for sure, but investigating shadow RAM options in the configure utility might be a starting point. BTW, the QVision at 800x600 with 5/5/5 RGB color was really nice looking, but performed like a DOG... -- :: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com ::
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Date: 1 Jun 1993 03:54:07 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> References: <1tbb2g$26s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <1993May27.132300.2979@nomina.lu.se> <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe In article <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >I would discourage from using drives with HW compression. I disagree. While I don't have a DAT drive that supports compression (they were not available without a hefty surcharge at the time I bought my DAT drive), I think it is generally good to have. > 1. The HW compression is violating the compatibility to other vendors, > but the pure DDS format is compatible. This was the case at one time. There is now a common, industry standard for DDS DAT compression. The only interchange issue now is if the "other" drive does compression or not. > 2. You can still use the LZW compression (gnutar ?). Why use your CPU to do the compressions when you can use the one on in DAT drive and get better throughput? DDS DAT compression is transparent, and you can still do random seeks around the tape and be completely ignorant of the compression that's going on. > 3. The multiple Gigs on one DAT cassette sound attractive, but the feature > can turn into a horror, when the tape would fail to read at all (the > problems with DAT/DDS tapes happen -if at all- mostly at the beginning > of the tape). Probably it is better to loose *only* 2 Gigs instead of > 5 or 8 ? :) So use software that keeps track of what's on the tape. You can still screw yourself either way. > 4. The price of the DDS cassettes is low, so the 2 Gig per tape is still > the great achievement. Hey, when I buy a 1.2 GB disk to add to my 100MB internal and 600MB fujitsu external, I'm sure that I'll wish I had compression. If you are using tape software that can manage multiple data sets per tape effectively, you can use that extra capacity. >Of course, people with several Gigs of HD attached to the system may see it >differently. I hope I have this problem soon.. >>A WangDAT 2 Gig SCSI is about $1500 ... > >It is the question of taste, but I would prefere HP DAT for about $1200 or >drives based on Archive's great mechanism (again about $1200). You can get an Exabyte (yes!) 4mm DAT with compression for $1139. We beat on one for 3 days during NWE and it held up great. I personally own an Archive Python drive. They are getting cheaper. >>As far as I have experienced 4mm DAT is a standard shared by many >>manufacturers with no compatibility problems. > >ONLY WHEN WITHOUT HW COMPRESSION !!! Again, not any more. There is a standard for DDS DAT compression. Make sure you get it, and not the proprietary compression that was (I believe) used in the WangDAT DAT drives that had compression. The newer WangDAT drives now use the standard DDS DAT compression format and should be interchangable. Louis Mamakos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: tabs@netcom.com (Network Account) Subject: printer problems after upgrade to 3.0 ... Message-ID: <tabsC7xDtH.I4G@netcom.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin Summary: printer does not work after upgrade to 3.0 Keywords: lpd,printer,upgrade,printcap Sender: tabs@netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 04:29:40 GMT We have a repeat of the problem that we had months ago, but the earlier solution does not work. We upgraded out last NS2.1 hard disk to 3.0. Everything went smoothly except that the printer does not work anymore. Everytime we try to print we get the message: The application could not connect to the printing daemon The log file /usr/adm/lpd-errs has error messages: May 31 19:04:13 tabss1 lpd: Name lpr Msg connect "/dev/lpd/printer" No such file or directory May 31 19:06:46 tabss1 lpd[114]: /usr/spool/lpd.lock: Too many levels of symbolic links We tried using printcap entries from a working 3.0 disk. We also tried copying netinfo from the alternate 3.0 boot disk. We tried manually starting lpd. The lpd daemon does not seem to start up. We probably tried all solutions recommended in the archived news articles from Nov last year to May this year. Maybe we are missing something obvious. Can someone please help. We had similar problem before, but fixing printcap entries worked at that time. Local_Printer: \ :lf=/usr/adm/lpd-errs:sf=:sb=:lp=/dev/null:mx=0: \ :if=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/prserver: \ :cf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/pscf: \ :df=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/psdf: \ :gf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/psgf: \ :nf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/psnf: \ :rf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/psrf: \ :tf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/pstf: \ :vf=/usr/lib/NextPrinter/Server/psvf: \ :sd=/usr/spool/NeXT/Local_Printer:nxformat=3.0: \ :ty=NeXT 400 dpi Level II Printer:note=:sharedAs=NetworkPrinter: \ :sharedTo=/:_writers=*: tabs (tabs@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: leigh@cs.uwa.oz.au (Leigh SMITH) Subject: Configuring Adaptec 1542C for NS/FIP Message-ID: <leigh.738920143@cuscus> Summary: different I/O Ports, can they be set? Keywords: Adaptec 1542C Sender: usenet@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia. Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 07:35:43 GMT Greetings readers, I'm getting hardware ready for NS/FIP and I'm looking at using the Adaptec 1540C/1542C SCSI controller. In the NeXTanswers blurb on using it (1108) 0x330 I/O address is recommended to be set. I know this I/O address is already allocated with another card (MPU-401 MIDI interface). My question is, has anyone been able to run NS/FIP with an Adaptec 1542C on an I/O address other than 0x330? Is it possible to configure the driver to use another I/O address base? Otherwise, this sort of stuffs me up (and everyone else planning to use MIDI with NS/FIP). Hope someone can help -- Leigh Smith Home: leigh@psychok.dialix.oz.au, +61-9-450-2014 Dept of Computer Science Fax: +61-9-380-1126 University of Western Australia: leigh@cs.uwa.edu.au, +61-9-380-1947 *----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=----=---*
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: afm@vogon (Andreas Mueller) Subject: Mouse replacement (non ADB) Message-ID: <1993Jun1.090656.11570@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 09:06:56 GMT There was a discussion on connecting non-NeXT mice to NeXTs some time ago on this group. Unfortunately I didn't keep it. So could some kind soul please answer the following question again: What other mice can be connected to non-ADB NeXTs, and how. More particularly: is it possible to connect some PC mouse to a NeXT (of course it won't work for serial mouse :-( ). Thanks in advance Andreas Mueller ------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Andreas Mueller afm@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de Mathematisches Institut Im Neuenheimer Feld 288 W - 6900 Heidelberg 1 -------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Organization: Resonex Inc., Fremont CA References: <1993May27.132300.2979@nomina.lu.se> <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 03:56:52 GMT In article <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >In article <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: [...] >> 3. The multiple Gigs on one DAT cassette sound attractive, but the feature >> can turn into a horror, when the tape would fail to read at all (the >> problems with DAT/DDS tapes happen -if at all- mostly at the beginning >> of the tape). Probably it is better to loose *only* 2 Gigs instead of >> 5 or 8 ? :) > >So use software that keeps track of what's on the tape. You can still screw >yourself either way. No, this is not a question of a contents on the tape. Resonex (where I work) is using DATs more than 2 years now and there are problems from time to time with damaged DAT cassettes (I mean: after certain period of successful appends and reads, suddenly you get media error at the beginning of the tape, and you cannot read any file anymore). We (and our customers) use anly the graded DDS cassettes, but still the problems show up from time to time. And therefore I repeat myself: be careful with putting on one tape a huge data. This is the reason, why I hesitate to use the drives with compression. While the drives are standardized now (I have got a few letters from people confirming the compression standards on DDS), one has a temptation to use one tape for more backups, increasing the probability of crash. Of course, having more than 1.2 Gig to save, one has no choice. [..] >>>A WangDAT 2 Gig SCSI is about $1500 ... >> >>It is the question of taste, but I would prefere HP DAT for about $1200 or >>drives based on Archive's great mechanism (again about $1200). > >You can get an Exabyte (yes!) 4mm DAT with compression for $1139. We >beat on one for 3 days during NWE and it held up great. I personally >own an Archive Python drive. They are getting cheaper. Exabyte has included a San Jose company R-byte some time ago, so the DAT drives from Exabyte have not much in common with the original EXABYTE storage. >[...] >Louis Mamakos > -Z.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tony Maas) Subject: Need suggestions on hard drives, RAM Message-ID: <1993Jun01.152605.10856@rchland.ibm.com> Sender: tmaas@eyota.rchland.ibm.com (Tony Maas) Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1993 15:26:05 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Organization: IBM Rochester I'm looking for the above, with an emphasis on the hard drives, as I have a NeXTstation mono and someday (hopefully) I'll be going to an Intel machine that this hard drive would work on. Please send e-mail to: tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com -- Tony Maas IBM Rochester tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
From: holcomb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Holcomb) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What NeXT hardware configs are available? Date: 1 Jun 1993 13:53:10 -0400 Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA Message-ID: <1ug526$dpp@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> I've looked through the FAQ to find this info, but I cannot find a definitive list of all the basic hardware configs available for the NeXT platform. It appears there are NeXTcubes, NeXTdimensions(?), NeXTstations. NeXTstations w/turbo color, and perhaps many more basic setups -- all given different names. I would like to know all the different names for NeXTs, what processor is at the heart of each machine, what is basic to each machine (i.e. not an add-on) and what peripherals and upgrades are available. Also, if I bought a NeXTstation, could I somehow upgrade it to a NeXTstation w/ turbo color? If you could point me in the right direction, I would be most grateful! Thanks, Dave Holcomb holcomb@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HELP? Sound on ISA Message-ID: <91.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 13:02:51 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Help please on NEXTSTEP sound! The Release Notes for NS 3.1 state: You can't use 16-bit DMA--that is, channels 5 through 7-- with a ProAudioSpectrum-16 driver on an ISA computer. Instead, use 8-bit DMA-- channels 1 through 4. Also, Release 3.1 doesn't support DMA channel 0. I have a ProAudioStudio (should be compatible) on a Dell 450/L using DMA 7. Only very short sounds (beeps, tinks, etc.) work. Others get pretty mangled. Things like Billiard.app sound ok in 8-bit gray but not in color. (This all seems consistent with ISA overload to me.) I wanted to try a different DMA, but NEXTSTEP won't let me select DMA 1 (it is grayed out in Configure.app) and 2,3,and 4 are in use by the floppy, IDE, and memory refresh, and can't be changed. (I tried unloading the floppy driver but 2 was still not available.) Dell said NeXT recommends DMA 5 for sound, although that is inconsistent with the release notes. It is also in use by the Adaptec SCSI, but I could change that. Any suggestions or experiences from other NS/FIP users? Thanks --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: crespo@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com (Ivan Crespo) Subject: Adaptec... Sender: news@vcd.hp.com (News user) Message-ID: <CRESPO.93Jun1151402@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 23:14:02 GMT Organization: HP Vancouver Division Vancouver,WA Talking to some of the Next folks last week at the NWE I got the impression that a lot of the driver work for different PC devices was going on right now and that drivers would be released as they became stable. Well, I am wondering what is the status of the Adaptec 1740 SCSII host adapter driver. The problem is that HP ships this board in all of their Vectras that have a SCSII option and here I am, sitting with a new Vectra and I can't get Nexstep into it. So, do I really need to go out and buy an Adaptec 1540 or can I just hold out a little longer and wait for support of the 1740?? Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ivan F. Crespo Tel: (206) 944-2815 email: crespo@vcd.hp.com usmail: Hewlett Packard P.O. Box 8906 Vancouver, WA 98684
From: omihal@compaq.UUCP (Ondro Mihal) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: I have 32MB RAM, NS/FIP will only see 16MB Date: 1 Jun 1993 18:41:03 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9306012234.AA00194@compaq> >>In article <C7z1D9.GC@news.otago.ac.nz> ATHOMSON@otago.ac.nz writes: >>We have a Compaq Deskpro 66M running NS/FIP Pre-release 1. >>We originally had 16MB of RAM in it and recently upgraded it to 32MB. >>The problem is that NeXTSTEP will still only see 16MB. Is this >>something specific to the pre release, or does it happen all the >>time? >> >We had the same problem with the machine we rented for the Expo, a >Compaq except with 24 megs. Unfortunately we didn't have time (and didn't >really care) to mess around with it, but the people from NeXT helping us >get NS installed on it said it had to do with shadow RAM under BIOS or >somesuch and that you could fix the problem with the configure utilities that >came with the machine and that it was a Compaq specific problem. > >So, I don't know for sure, but investigating shadow RAM options in the >configure utility might be a starting point. > >BTW, the QVision at 800x600 with 5/5/5 RGB color was really nice looking, >but performed like a DOG... > > >-- >:: Christopher Lloyd :: Yrrid Incorporated :: lloyd@world.std.com :: Chris, you are correct and this is what I have done to make it work. I have seen several posts on this problem without any clear answers ... so I will try to give one. This is problem occurs on ANY Compaq if the memory is configured "Compaq Compatible". From what I know, this is done to increase performance for applications in the DOS world. NEXTSTEP does not like this setting and will report and use only the first 16MB of RAM. To get around this problem this is what you do: BOOT up with the Compaq System Configuration disk that came with your machine. After the first Welcome screen, hit enter key and you are presented with options. Before choosing any, go into the Advanced Options by holding down the Ctrl Key and A key (CTRL A). Your menu will switch to indicate that you are now in the Advanced Options. At this point you want to Change setting screen. In this screen you want the View or Edit details. Use the down arrow to find the: Compaq Memory Base Memory 640Kbytes Compaq Compatible <---- this needs to change Hit the Enter Key and you will be presented with three options: (.) 640Kbytes, Compaq Comaptible ( ) Linear ( ) 640Kbytes, Linear <--------- choose this option by using arrow keys and Enter key. The (.) in the new option indicates that you choose that option. NOW use ESC key to get out to the View and Edit details, save you configuration and reboot your machine. You will now get all your memory that is installed above the 16Mbytes. This works for me ..... so good luck. If all else fails, call the Compaq 1-800 support number that is found in their adds. Ondro Mihal omihal@musecorp.com (NeXTMail)
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Fujitsu 128MB MO - HELP Date: 2 Jun 1993 00:10:48 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ugr69$639@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <TOAD.93May26184433@toadstool.UUCP> Back on May 26th, toad@toadstool.UUCP (Kevin Cheek) wrote: > I am having trouble getting a Fujitsu 3.5" 128MB MO (M2511A) to work > with my Mono 040 slab. During boot-up, the drive is recognized and > if a disk is in, it reads the label correctly. However, when I log > in, the panel comes up telling me the disk is damaged. Whether I > pick Initialize or Repair, the drive whirs and then spits out the > disk while spewing error messages onto the console. When I put an > unformatted disk in, the NeXT will try to format but then ejects. > I RTFM and called Fujitsu to no avail. I just bought a similar drive from Mac Direct, and my 040 NeXTstation (running NS3.0) can't seem to work with it. Does anyone have one of these Fujitsu mechanism MO drives working on their NeXT? -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mrothste@foraker.csc.calpoly.edu (Mont Rothstein) Subject: Re: will NS/I run on a Northgate 25Mhz 486? Message-ID: <1993Jun02.005409.6563@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 93 00:54:09 GMT Organization: Cal Poly, SLO References: <1udsb4$5vr@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> In article <1udsb4$5vr@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> Hal.Varian@umich.edu writes: > I've got an early 25 Mhz Northgate 486 with a 200 meg Conner SCSI drive, 8 megs > of memory, Adaptec controller, Microsoft mouse, SVGA screen. Does anybody know > whether this will run NS/I? (I realize this is very underpowered; I've got a > color Turbo at work, so I don't really need to do anything on the Northgate at > home; but I wouldn't mind running NeXTstep on it if it is feasible.) Things to check for: That needs to be a DX chip or you need a FPU. You need to make sure that the Adaptec is one of the ones supported. Only certain SVGA chip sets are supported, you'll have to find out which you have and then see if it is on the list. The compatability list can be gotten from nextanswers@next.com subject: INDEX HELP Hope that helps, -Mont NeXTmail OK :-) President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group, SLO) mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: ISA Video Message-ID: <1993Jun2.004742.11259@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Distribution: na Date: Wed, 2 Jun 93 00:47:42 GMT Has anyone had experience with NS/FIP and an Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 board? This is a Super VGA card, however, when sitting on the ISA bus is it limited to 640x480 in 2-bit gray? Or can I push it to 800x600 or even 1024x768 in 2-bit gray mode? Anyone with a general comment on ISA video performance in general? Is it just too slow for reasonable use? -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com (Michael Shaler) Subject: Video Performance under NS/FIP References: <C7xAyL.AA5@world.std.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 00:45:01 GMT Organization: Nippon Motorola Ltd., Tokyo, Japan Sender: news@tkymail.sps.mot.com Message-ID: <1993Jun2.004501.10121@tkymail.sps.mot.com> Chris Lloyd writes BTW, the QVision at 800x600 with 5/5/5 RGB color was really nice looking, but performed like a DOG... Compaq had a Pentium box with this same video subsystem. Also a DOG, but with an alleged pedigree. Windows were tearing, and CompositeLab was clearly beyond the preformance reach of this machine. Love that Turbo Color legacy hardware... --- Michael Shaler Tokyo Design Center Nippon Motorola Ltd. +813 3280 8245 voice +813 3440 0033 fax mshaler@tdocad.sps.mot.com [NeXTmail] The PowerPC will change your life...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: kafkouli@serss0 (George Kafkoulis) Subject: Maxtor MXT-540SL: info wanted Organization: Florida International University, Miami Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 02:32:42 GMT Message-ID: <C7z32J.F2A@fiu.edu> Sender: news@fiu.edu (Usenet Administrator) Hi all. Does anyone know of any installation or other problems with the Maxtor MXT 540SL harddrive. It is supposed to be new 8.5-9ms seek time 6300rpm. I am planning to connect it to a mono NeXTstation as an external drive and make it the boot drive? Is `formatter 1.2' (Feb 92) working with this drive? Do I gain anything by making the internal 105MB a swapdisk? Any comments, information, receipes are welcomed. If there are any responses, then I will summarise and post it for the benefit of all new used-NeXT owners :-) Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: isca@icaen.uiowa.edu (Iowa Student Computer Assoc) Subject: Does NS/FIP support SCSI tape? Sender: news@news.uiowa.edu (News) Message-ID: <1993Jun2.064713.16197@news.uiowa.edu> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 06:47:13 GMT Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA Keywords: SCSI TAPE NS/FIP Help! I plugged a Archive Python DAT drive into my Intel system running the production release of NS/FIP expecting to be able to access it with /dev/rst0, but the system pretends it doesn't exist (and the boot sequence doesn't find it either). The same setup works just fine on black hardware. Should this work, or is there something I can do to make it work? (For reference, my config was an IDE system disk and on the SCSI bus an Apple CD300 and the Archive Python DAT) - dave -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | David Lacey, M.D. |"But soon, soon, soon... the world will| | Resident, Radiology, Univ of Iowa |be a better place, with meadows and | | President, Iowa Student Comptr Assn|bunnies and fiber optics in every home"| | David-Lacey@uiowa.edu (NeXTmail OK)| - Tom Dowdy, Apple Computer | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) Subject: NeXTCube Filters Message-ID: <1993May29.153955.521@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Sat, 29 May 1993 15:39:55 GMT I'm told someone posted here recently, revealing a place where one could buy new filter material for those filters one puts inside the NeXTCube computers. Since I missed the post, could anyone tell me what the material is and where one can get it? Thanks david john burrowes davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: IBM Value Point <==> NEXTSTEP??? Message-ID: <1993Jun2.080202.693@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 08:02:02 GMT At the Expo, I remember being surprised at seeing an IBM Value Point system running NS. Unfortunately, I didn't get an opportunity to really see what model it was or how it was configured. I'd like to find out more about this if anyone remembers the specs. I'm particularly interested in what type of video environment it had in it and how well it performed. John Bartley john@wpa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yann@dagobah.fdn.org (Yann Lechelle) Subject: exception #3 at boot time ? Message-ID: <1993Jun2.092629.314@dagobah.fdn.org> Sender: yann@dagobah.fdn.org Organization: Individual Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 09:26:29 GMT I was installing a new INTERNAL hard disk on my friends pizza station. After putting the switches as follow (if I remember correctly) - SCSI ID=1 - self powered - parity check I turned the machine on (while still uncovered), and the ROM monitor prompted a: exception #3 @ (address) NeXT> Then, if I typed "bsd", the machine would boot properly. But booting with the power on key did not work although I had tried all possible combinations of switches. Then I covered the machine with the top and put the screw back in. I rebooted and it worked ! - Does anyone have a definition for exception #3 ? - Has anyone gotten this before ? in which circumstances ? Thanks Yann. -- / ================================================= \ \ Yann Lechelle (Paris, FRANCE) / / yann@dagobah.fdn.org Email/NeXTmail \ \ "grep me no patterns and I'll tell you no lines." /
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: IBM Value Point <==> NEXTSTEP??? Date: 2 Jun 1993 14:57:17 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uif4dINN59k@golden.kaleida.com> References: <1993Jun2.080202.693@nimno.wpa.com> In article <1993Jun2.080202.693@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: > At the Expo, I remember being surprised at seeing an IBM Value Point > system running NS. Unfortunately, I didn't get an opportunity to really > see what model it was or how it was configured. I'd like to find out more > about this if anyone remembers the specs. > From the NeXTSTEP Hardware Compatibility Guide: IBM configurations: ValuePoint 466DX2/S ValuePoint 466DX2/D ValuePoint 466DX2/T All configurations are ISA VL-Bus which use LocalBus S3-805 video. They support 8-bit Grayscale 1024x768 or 16-bit Color 800x600. The support status says "Drive Update Required" and the Notes column says "Please contact NeXT for an application note on installation". Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Organization: SCI Systems, Inc., Huntsville, Al. References: <1993May27.132300.2979@nomina.lu.se> <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 14:35:56 GMT In article <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >In article <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >>In article <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >[...] >>> 3. The multiple Gigs on one DAT cassette sound attractive, but the feature >>> can turn into a horror, when the tape would fail to read at all (the [ ... ] >>So use software that keeps track of what's on the tape. You can still screw >>yourself either way. >No, this is not a question of a contents on the tape. Resonex (where I work) >is using DATs more than 2 years now and there are problems from time to time >with damaged DAT cassettes (I mean: after certain period of successful appends >and reads, suddenly you get media error at the beginning of the tape, and you >cannot read any file anymore). This sounds more like a software problem--when you append, it writes a new header at the beginning of the tape. If the write isn't done properly, you get garbage, and suddenly everything is gone. I have never trusted appending to a tape for this reason; if I have a short dump, it still goes on an individual tape. Easier to track, easier to handle, less probability of data corruption, and much less data at stake--if one tape fails, you don't lose everything. Append: Just Say No. :-) -- Gary Heston SCI Systems, Inc. gary@sci34hub.sci.com site admin The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither. Hestons' First Law: I qualify virtually everything I say.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Multiboard cube Message-ID: <C7zyFw.19p@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 13:50:20 GMT How does one modify an '030 board so it can be used in a cube with an '040? Also how does one set up the software and get the thing to boot from the '040 ? Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: coconut@crash.cts.com (Brian Dear) Subject: HELP: SCSI errors installing NS/I Organization: Coconut Computing, Inc., La Jolla, CA Date: 02 Jun 93 11:31:51 PDT Message-ID: <1993Jun02.113151.24952@crash> I'm writing this note here because I refuse to pay $$ to NeXT to speak to a "support engineer" for a question related to installation of software I just spent $995.00 to buy at NeXTWORLD EXPO. I know of no other operating systems product that has such a lack-of-support policy. The lady told me to "ask NeXTAnswers". I told her I already did that. She sez the only options are to give her my VISA/MC number, and pay for the tech support, or "ask NeXTAnswers". I got the impression she thought that when people "asked" NeXTAnswers they got someone to reply -- my experience has been that NeXTAnswers is simply a mail server that sends you documents. I got a bunch of them, and read them all. And they didn't solve my problem. Here's the situation: I have a Intel 486DX2-66 clone with 16MB RAM and local bus video and local bus IDE controller. I am installing with an Adaptec 1542C SCSI card and an external TEXEL DM-5024 CD-ROM drive. While installing, I get zillions of the following errors as soon as the installation procedure starts reading from the CD-ROM, which is at SCSI ID 0 by the way: sd0: TRANSFER COUNT ERROR. Expected = 8192 Received = 0; Retrying. target: 0 lun: 0 op:Read block:90428 blockCount:4 and so it goes up and down the screen. Eventually it asks me if I want English/American or one of the other languages, and I select 1, and then when it starts reading the CD again, more TRANSFER COUNT ERRORs, and eventually it said Installation failed. So the question is: what's wrong? This TEXEL drive has worked perfectly installing Windows NT and SCO Open Desktop 2.0. NEXTSTEP chokes on it. Any suggestions? I tried turning down the Adaptec's transfer rate to 3.3MB but no change, still got errors. Any suggestions, help, advice would be appreciated! -- brian dear coconut computing, inc. email: brian@coconut.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brill@sybase.com (Michael Brill) Subject: RAM on Compaq Deskpro Message-ID: <C7yB6u.Aq0@sybase.com> Sender: usenet@sybase.com Organization: Sybase, Inc. Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 16:30:28 GMT >On my EISA Compaq Deskpro 66M, NS only sees 16 megs RAM where actually I >have 64 megs installed. 8 megs are on the motherboard (the maximum) and >the remainder are on a Kingston memory card that is designed to make the I write: >RAM look like Compaq system RAM. DOS's HIMEM.EXE (.SYS) can see all 64 >megs, however if my config.sys looks like: DEVICE=HIMEM.EXE /isaonly >then it only sees 16 megs because ISA is limited to 16 megs. So my guess >is that NS thinks I have an ISA machine and limits RAM to 16 megs. Thanks to all those who helped me with this problem. Mark G. Tacchi <tacchi@ccu.UManitoba.CA> suggested: By changing the memory configuration with ECU (setup utility on ISA machine) from "Compaq compatible" to "Linear", the hardware shows linear mamory space. Otherwise the hardware hides a portion just above 16MB boudary and uses the portion by copying BIOS from ROM to gain faster BIOS access. This shows a hole in memory space just above 16MB boundary and NS/IP thinks host has only 16MB. It worked! Thanks a lot, ...Michael Brill (brill@sybase.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brill@sybase.com (Michael Brill) Subject: DPT 2012, Maxtor P1-17 on Compaq Deskpro Message-ID: <C7yBCF.B2D@sybase.com> Sender: usenet@sybase.com Organization: Sybase, Inc. Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 16:33:50 GMT I write: > I have a Compaq Deskpro 66M with a DPT 2012 and a Maxtor PS1017. > I can install NS from the floppy/CD-ROM, but when I go to reboot it, my > machine gets caught in this EATA timeout loop Again, thanks to the folks who helped me. It turns out that my Maxtor kept timing out when NS resetted the SCSI bus... I upped the SCSI id of the drive to 5 (and my CD-ROM to 6)... that gave the drive enough time to reset (I guess the Maxtor is extremely slow to respond once it is set up). ...Michael Brill (brill@sybase.com)
From: dadler@u.washington.edu (David A. Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Film Recorder? Date: 2 Jun 1993 20:22:37 GMT Organization: University of Washington Message-ID: <1uj26dINN1av@news.u.washington.edu> I am looking for a device that will make 35mm slides from NeXT apps like Virtuoso, Illustrator, PasteUp, etc. email responses are fine - I can summarize for the group later. thanks, David -- David A. Adler Pathology SM-30 University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 543-0716 (phone) (206) 543-3644 (fax) "Science is nothing but trained and organized common sense" T.H.Huxley
From: suresh@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Suresh Pai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Help in selecting 486 system for NEXTSTEP: Gateway or ??? Message-ID: <1993Jun2.201953.11426@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Date: 2 Jun 93 20:19:53 GMT Sender: news@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu (NetWork News (readnews)) Organization: Temple University Hi I would like to buy a 486DX2 66 MHz system to run NEXTSTEP for home use. I selected Gateway 4DX2-66V system because I think it is a cheap and good system. I dropped a few and added a few options and I got the price quote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Original system My configuration ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 16MB RAM, 256 Cache -same- 3.5 " Disk Drive and CD ROM No CD-ROM (It is not SCSI ??) 340 MB 13ms IDE hard drive 424 MB hard drive Local bus IDE Interface -same- Intel OverDrive socket -same- ATI Ultra Pro video w/ 1 MB with 2 MB RAM VRAM on VL-Bus 15" Color Crystalscan No monitor Desktop case -same- 8 16-bit ISA Slots, 2 on VL-Bus -same- 124-Key AnyKey Keyboard -same- software -same- price; $ 2995 around $ 2585 Nanao F550i monitor $1100 For CD_ROM -- Beg ;-) (just to install NEXTSTEP) Total $ 3685 Can anyone suggest any other systems? I want it to be cheap and at the same time a good system I would like to buy this system as soon as possible ( within a week) Please email me. Thanks a lot suresh
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993Jun2.121716.23704@resonex.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Organization: Resonex Inc., Fremont CA References: <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 12:17:16 GMT In article <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes: >In article <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >>In article <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >>>In article <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >>[...] >>>> 3. The multiple Gigs on one DAT cassette sound attractive, but the feature >>>> can turn into a horror, when the tape would fail to read at all (the > [ ... ] >>>So use software that keeps track of what's on the tape. You can still screw >>>yourself either way. > >>No, this is not a question of a contents on the tape. Resonex (where I work) >>is using DATs more than 2 years now and there are problems from time to time >>with damaged DAT cassettes (I mean: after certain period of successful appends >>and reads, suddenly you get media error at the beginning of the tape, and you >>cannot read any file anymore). > >This sounds more like a software problem--when you append, it writes a >new header at the beginning of the tape. If the write isn't done properly, >you get garbage, and suddenly everything is gone. No, it is not about the user software problem. We are tempted to believe, that rewinding the tape too many times, loading the tape anew many times, causes too much stress to the tape. The appends go only after the logical end of the tape, still - maybe - the firmware writes something at the beginning of the tape regularly ?. And when I say "too many times" it still means working with one tape during only 3-4 weeks, say. >I have never trusted appending to a tape for this reason; if I have a >short dump, it still goes on an individual tape. Easier to track, easier >to handle, less probability of data corruption, and much less data at >stake--if one tape fails, you don't lose everything. > >Append: Just Say No. >-- >Gary Heston SCI Systems, Inc. gary@sci34hub.sci.com site admin This is more or less what I wanted to raise prolonging this discussion: DAT-technology is great, even improving, but eventual errors with handling could cause lost of huge data. -Z.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) Subject: Wanted: your experiences putting together a Nexstep/Intel system Message-ID: <1993Jun2.223906.29146@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 22:39:06 GMT If you have had any success putting together a Nexstep/Intel system, I'd be interested in the hardware that you use, the amount it costs, and the kind of performance you get. Email to be at bau@cs.cornell.edu and if I get any useful information, I will post to summarize. I'm particularly interested in anybody who is successuflly running unbundled Nextstep on a fast PC clone. David bau@cs.cornell.edu
From: gary@bitbucket.esl.com (Gary Merrick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: opinions on Intel-based hardware Keywords: nextstep, intel, next Message-ID: <2107@esl.ESL.COM> Date: 2 Jun 93 23:53:57 GMT Sender: news@esl.ESL.COM Distribution: usa Organization: ESL I'm looking for some opinions on Intel-based hardware for running NextStep Developer. I know that it may be a bit soon to pass judgement since NextStep was only recently relesed, but any input would help. I am not PC savvy. We're in the market for a 486 (66 MHz) system with 32 Mbytes RAM, 400+ Mbyte SCSI disk, 1024 x 768 16 bit color monitor, ethernet, and CD ROM. It is likely that we will need to buy more in the future. I went to NextExpo to check out some systems, but they all seemed very similar in price and performance. Am I missing something? What does one generally look for when buying a PC? Should you stick with a "big name" brand, or does it matter? Should you try to get a complete system, or is it better to piece them together yourself? Anything else? Thanks in advance, -- =============================================================== | Gary Merrick System/Network Admin from Hell | | ESL, Inc. gary@esl.com | | Sunnyvale, CA | | | | "You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge." -N. Peart | ===============================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: vanepp@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Van Epp) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <vanepp.739076355@sfu.ca> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada References: <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> <1993Jun2.121716.23704@resonex.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 02:59:15 GMT zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >In article <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes: >>In article <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >>>In article <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >>>>In article <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >>>[...] >>>>> 3. The multiple Gigs on one DAT cassette sound attractive, but the feature >>>>> can turn into a horror, when the tape would fail to read at all (the >> [ ... ] >>>>So use software that keeps track of what's on the tape. You can still screw >>>>yourself either way. >> >>>No, this is not a question of a contents on the tape. Resonex (where I work) >>>is using DATs more than 2 years now and there are problems from time to time >>>with damaged DAT cassettes (I mean: after certain period of successful appends >>>and reads, suddenly you get media error at the beginning of the tape, and you >>>cannot read any file anymore). >> >>This sounds more like a software problem--when you append, it writes a >>new header at the beginning of the tape. If the write isn't done properly, >>you get garbage, and suddenly everything is gone. >No, it is not about the user software problem. We are tempted to believe, >that rewinding the tape too many times, loading the tape anew many times, >causes too much stress to the tape. The appends go only after the logical >end of the tape, still - maybe - the firmware writes something at the beginning >of the tape regularly ?. >And when I say "too many times" it still means working with one tape during >only 3-4 weeks, say. Are you by any chance leaving the tape in the drive (and rewound) for long periods of time? Both DATs and 8mm tape drives are helical scan, which means that the heads as well as the tape are both moving. It have heard (and beleive) that leaving a DAT or 8mm tape loaded in a drive (rewound) will cause wear on the beginning of the tape. You would probably be better asking this question in one of comp.scsi (? I have that feeling there is something in the middle of that ...), or comp.arch.storage. In either or both groups you are likely to find people that make the drives and who could therefore provide a better answer. Peter Van Epp / Operations and Technical Support Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C. Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: steve@eps.com Subject: sound support on INTEL GX Workstation Message-ID: <netnewsC8156r.Izp@netcom.com> Sender: netnews@netcom.com (USENET Administration) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 05:13:38 GMT I saw at NextWorld last week a few vendors showing sound working on a INTEL GX workstation. Does anyone know who to get the driver?? Steve email :steve@eps.com
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Intel Professional GX vs. Epson Progression NX Date: 3 Jun 1993 06:16:59 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uk50rINNl5k@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Our research group is looking into a system for NEXTSTEP. Two candidates are the Intel Professional GX and the Epson "NX" system. Does anyone have hands-on experience with both systems? I have seen the performance of each, and they seem to be similar, but the main differences are that the Intel GX is a 64-bit motherboard with RAM expandable to 128 Megs while the Epson is a 32 board with RAM expandable to 68 Megs. Also, the Epson does not seem to have built in audio like the Intel system does (the driver for this is 99% done, so I was told by NeXT). The Intel system has a built in SCSI controller (which has no driver yet), built in microphone port, and a Pentium socket. As far as I can tell, the only reason to go with the Epson is that it may be a tiny bit cheaper, but with the prices I have seen from "Workstation 2000" (California company that sells Intel GX workstations) it seems the Intel GX is the best prospect. Any suggestions would be appreciated. -Eric
From: nen@isafhp.isaf.no (Nils-Eivind Naas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Date: 3 Jun 93 10:17:44 Organization: Institute Group for Social Research, Oslo Message-ID: <NEN.93Jun3101744@isafhp.isaf.no> References: <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> <1993Jun2.121716.23704@resonex.com> <vanepp.739076355@sfu.ca> In-reply-to: vanepp@fraser.sfu.ca's message of Thu, 3 Jun 1993 02:59:15 GMT In article <vanepp.739076355@sfu.ca> vanepp@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Van Epp) writes: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >In article <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes: >>In article <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >>>In article <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >>>>In article <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >>>[...] >>>>> 3. The multiple Gigs on one DAT cassette sound attractive, but the feature >>>>> can turn into a horror, when the tape would fail to read at all (the >> [ ... ] >>>>So use software that keeps track of what's on the tape. You can still screw >>>>yourself either way. >> >>>No, this is not a question of a contents on the tape. Resonex (where I work) >>>is using DATs more than 2 years now and there are problems from time to time >>>with damaged DAT cassettes (I mean: after certain period of successful appends >>>and reads, suddenly you get media error at the beginning of the tape, and you >>>cannot read any file anymore). >> >>This sounds more like a software problem--when you append, it writes a >>new header at the beginning of the tape. If the write isn't done properly, >>you get garbage, and suddenly everything is gone. >No, it is not about the user software problem. We are tempted to believe, >that rewinding the tape too many times, loading the tape anew many times, >causes too much stress to the tape. The appends go only after the logical >end of the tape, still - maybe - the firmware writes something at the beginning >of the tape regularly ?. >And when I say "too many times" it still means working with one tape during >only 3-4 weeks, say. Are you by any chance leaving the tape in the drive (and rewound) for long periods of time? Both DATs and 8mm tape drives are helical scan, which means that the heads as well as the tape are both moving. It have heard (and beleive) that leaving a DAT or 8mm tape loaded in a drive (rewound) will cause wear on the beginning of the tape. You would probably be better asking this question in one of comp.scsi (? I have that feeling there is something in the middle of that ...), or comp.arch.storage. In either or both groups you are likely to find people that make the drives and who could therefore provide a better answer. Questions on DDS tapes might profitably be directed to comp.periphs.scsi or comp.sys.hp. Kevin Jones of HP Bristol often answers such questions at length. Peter Van Epp / Operations and Technical Support Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C. Canada Nils-Eivind Naas, ISAF, Oslo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993Jun2.232553.28493@resonex.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Organization: Resonex Inc., Fremont CA References: <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> <1993Jun2.121716.23704@resonex.com> <vanepp.739076355@sfu.ca> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 23:25:53 GMT In article <vanepp.739076355@sfu.ca> vanepp@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Van Epp) writes: >zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >[...] >>No, it is not about the user software problem. We are tempted to believe, >>that rewinding the tape too many times, loading the tape anew many times, >>causes too much stress to the tape. The appends go only after the logical >>end of the tape, still - maybe - the firmware writes something at the beginning >>of the tape regularly ?. >>And when I say "too many times" it still means working with one tape during >>only 3-4 weeks, say. > >Are you by any chance leaving the tape in the drive (and rewound) for long >periods of time? Both DATs and 8mm tape drives are helical scan, which means >that the heads as well as the tape are both moving. It have heard (and >beleive) that leaving a DAT or 8mm tape loaded in a drive (rewound) will cause >wear on the beginning of the tape. You would probably be better asking this >question in one of comp.scsi (? I have that feeling there is something in >the middle of that ...), or comp.arch.storage. In either or both groups >you are likely to find people that make the drives and who could therefore >provide a better answer. > > >Peter Van Epp / Operations and Technical Support >Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C. Canada 1. Yes, the tape was often left for a couple of days inside the drive 2. No, the tape was not left rewound, but (if left at all) positioned at the end of the data. 3. THIS IS NOT true, that leaving the DAT causes problems because of the helical scan technology: after a short time of idle state (20 secs, I believe) the heads are taken off the tape (in the case of HP DAT drives, at least). I agree, that leaving the tape inside the drive is a VERY BAD habit: there was at least one case, when power failure arround the system with DAT cassette inside damaged the tape (or rather made it inreadable). We have instructed our customers to eject cassettes after each session of using it. This, however, causes more stress to the tape at its beginning (rewinding and loading somehow causes additional stress to the beginning of tape). -Z.
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: How to Use Next Monitor with PC? Date: 3 Jun 1993 07:26:38 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1ukn5eINN51r@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> If anyone has successfully hooked up the Next 17" Trinitron to a PC (for use with NS/I, of course!) I'd love to know how it was done. Remember this is the Trinitron model, not the FIMI. Thanks Robert de Lucca Johns Hopkins University email robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Michele Giardini) Subject: Video device under NS/FIP Sender: news-mail@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (News mail user) Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 14:15:24 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun3.141524.28276@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> Here at the Computer Science Dept. in Milan we are starting a multimedia project to manage a live video camera. We'd like to develop it under NEXTSTEP on a PC, but the problem is that there is no video device supported under the current release of NS/FIP (I've the hardware compatibility guide here on my desk). I need to know if someone out there could give me more information about future (ASAP) support of some kind of video device able to manage the input from a video camera. Someone knows if the guys at Pencom are writing the drivers for this devices ??? Thanks in advance Ciao Michele -- Giardini Michele - Computer Science Department State University of Milan - Coordinator of NeXT2You (The Italian NeXT User Group) Via Comelico 39/41 - 20135 Milano Tel. +39 2 55006385 Fax +39 2 55006373 Email: michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (NeXT mail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: (Horace Lim) hal@codex.com.au Subject: ISDN card for use with NS486 Message-ID: <1993Jun3.130042.2146@codex.oz.au> Keywords: ISDN,PC,NEXTSTEP,486 Sender: hal@codex.oz.au Organization: Codex Software Development Pty Ltd Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 13:00:42 GMT Can anyone recommend an ISDN card that works with a PC running NEXTSTEP 486? Thanks in advance... Hal -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Horace A. Lim (a.k.a. Hal) Internet : hal@xedoc.com.au (NeXTMail absolutely welcome) AppleLink: AUST0335
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: (Horace Lim) hal@codex.com.au Subject: Re: ADB question Message-ID: <1993Jun3.130548.2208@codex.oz.au> Sender: hal@codex.oz.au Organization: Codex Software Development Pty Ltd References: <1u1aerINNgnm@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 13:05:48 GMT In article <1u1aerINNgnm@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> besler@vitalstatistix.gdss.commerce.ubc.ca (Steven Besler) writes: > > > I own a NeXTSTATION Turbo (mono). I think that it is supposed to be > ADB-upgradeable according to what I read on the net. The serial number on > the slab seems to be after the required number and the Rom was the right > version (I think). So if my mouse or keyboard suddenly died, could I just slap > an ADB keyboard or mouse on there and "it'd just work" or what? What about > the monitor? > > Crossing my fingers, > > Steven Besler > besler@gdss.commerce.ubc.ca Yes Steve... you just plug a Mac ADB keyboard and bingo... :-) some of the keyboard mappings are not quite obvious what you would expect Hal -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Horace A. Lim (a.k.a. Hal) Internet : hal@xedoc.com.au (NeXTMail absolutely welcome) AppleLink: AUST0335
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Any sources for (non-ADB) monochrome monitors? Date: 3 Jun 93 10:22:21 Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University Message-ID: <ANDERSON.93Jun3102221@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> Some time ago I inquired of the net about places that might have some old (non-ADB) monochrome MegaPixel displays left in stock. I had ordered one from NeXT just as they dropped out of hardware, and it wasn't clear they were ever going to send it to me. A couple of people sent me the names of resellers or other people who had monitors left for sale, but then I discovered NeXT was going to fill my order, so I never followed up (and eventually deleted the mail :-( ). Well, they filled the order, but they sent me an ADB model instead, and they definitely don't have any of the other kind left now, so I'm still in need of a monitor I can add to my ND cube to run X on. I'd be grateful for any help. Very grateful. --Steve Anderson Dept. of Cognitive Science The Johns Hopkins University <anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: les@chinet.chinet.com (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <C81wq1.1nE@chinet.chinet.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX References: <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 15:08:24 GMT In article <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >No, this is not a question of a contents on the tape. Resonex (where I work) >is using DATs more than 2 years now and there are problems from time to time >with damaged DAT cassettes (I mean: after certain period of successful appends >and reads, suddenly you get media error at the beginning of the tape, and you >cannot read any file anymore). We (and our customers) use anly the graded >DDS cassettes, but still the problems show up from time to time. >And therefore I repeat myself: be careful with putting on one tape a huge data. >This is the reason, why I hesitate to use the drives with compression. Ummm, if the problem is media damage, wouldn't it be better to compress the data and have more copies on different tapes rather than only one uncompressed copy? Les Mikesell les@chinet.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: fenton@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (George I. Fenton) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <C7qzvz.MC1@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Organization: U.S. Air Force Security Assistance Center (AFSAC) References: <1tbb2g$26s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <1993May27.132300.2979@nomina.lu.se> <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 17:43:11 GMT I have been using the Maynard 2000DAT drive with no problems. Highly recommend it. --GIF
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: Monitor Refresh Rate on ATI Ultra Pro (Intel GX Workstation) Message-ID: <1993Jun3.104802.3677@mic.ucla.edu> Keywords: bastard_kernel Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management Date: 3 Jun 93 10:48:02 PDT I understand that NeXT/Intel (beta) is running the ATI Ultra Pro at the lowest possible refresh rate at the 1024*768 resolution. If someone has done a kernel patch to increase the refresh rate, I would very much like to get my hands on it. /ivo welch
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: CDPlayer work on NS/I 3.1? Message-ID: <94.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 12:16:31 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA Has anyone gotten CDPlayer.app working on NS 3.1/Intel? I can read data CD's fine, but CDPlayer always reports can't find CD-ROM. I get errors in the in some cirumstances too: usr/adm/messages Jun 2 09:07:45 korona mach: sd1: Disk Unformatted Jun 2 09:07:48 korona mach: sd1: Illegal request; FATAL. Jun 2 09:07:48 korona mach: target:2 lun:0 op:67(d) (UNDEFINED) console.log cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 2 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied cdutil: findDrive: Ioctl SGIOCSTL failed: 7 cdutil: findDrive: Permission denied I've tried the suggestions in the Release Notes: autolaunching with Public Window Server on and changing the CD-ROM to SCSI ID 2 (the disk is 0). Thanks for any suggestions. Please e-mail and I will summarize. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs. Epson Progression NX Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun03.195225.13004@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1993 19:52:25 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1uk50rINNl5k@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1uk50rINNl5k@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: |> Our research group is looking into a system for NEXTSTEP. Two candidates |> are the Intel Professional GX and the Epson "NX" system. Does anyone |> have hands-on experience with both systems? I have seen the performance of |> each, and they seem to be similar, but the main differences are that |> the Intel GX is a 64-bit motherboard with RAM expandable to 128 Megs while |> the Epson is a 32 board with RAM expandable to 68 Megs. |> I was at the NeXTWORLD EXPO, and I had the fortune to be able to testdrive the Epson Progression NX machine. The Video on the Epson was quite good. It supported the original NeXT resolution of 1120x832. (This made be happy!) Moreso, it passed my "pickup and drag a good sized panel around really fast and see if the system keeps up" test. The Epson Progression also comes with a large amount of memory, which for development systems is a must. I didn't get a chance to use the Intel Professional GX machine. (Hmmm tho I think I saw the machine in the Intel booth tho I didn't make a connection as I don't remember the Intel folks pointing it out and trying to sell it.) I would say the Epson machine is a safe bet and you would be happy with it. Pricewise tho, it's a bit much for my taste. about $6000 with a 17" monitor. -- Tom Gall IBM Rochester, Minnesota #include <std.disclaimer>
From: smg@orb.com (S.M. Goldberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Need to know: How to set up the HP LaserJet 4M??? Date: 3 Jun 1993 09:45:34 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ukh7u$4so@nntp.crl.com> Has anyone successfully set up the HP LaserJet 4M on black Next hardware? I downloaded the PPD from the archives, but am not sure that I have the proper cable, nor do I know the proper serial port baud rate for best operation. My NeXT printer is broken so I really need to know how to proceed! Thanks in advance! -- Samuel M. Goldberger smg@orb.com--NeXT Mail OK Spherical Solutions, 47 Myrtle Avenue, Mill Valley, CA 94941 415.380.0383--voice 415.380.0381--fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: HELP! for NeXTSTEP on Gateway machine Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun03.200645.26185@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1993 20:06:45 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993May31.193815.12822@rchland.ibm.com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1993May31.193815.12822@rchland.ibm.com>, tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) writes: |> Greetings fellow netters! |> [rubarb deleted] |> |> Hardware: |> |> Gateway 2000 486-33. (Approx 1.5 years old) |> 8 Megs memory on the system |> ISA bus |> 1 3.5" disk drive |> 1 3.5" 200 meg IDE drive |> 1 NEC 74 Multispin CD-ROM drive (SCSI device 0) |> 1 Gateway programmable keyboard |> (2 200 Meg SCSI harddisks -- to be added after the base OS is installed) |> 1 Adaptec 1542B SCSI controller v 3.1 on the ROMS |> 1 Diamond Speedstar Display card v 4.23 1 Meg memory |> 1 Microsoft mouse, installed on COM1 |> |> Here's what happens.... |> |> I fire up my system. Turn on CD-ROM drive first then 486 CPU. System boots |>normally, displays diamond speedstar message indicates 1 meg memory on card, |>count memory, then displays message from Adaptec card that it is v3.1 of ROMS |>it indicates that it foun|> d my IDE c: drive, then finds the CD-ROM drive and |>assignes it as D: |> |> The Floppy disk drive takes over at this point and begins loading NeXTSTEP. (The NeXTSTEP CD-ROM and installation are in their respective drives from startup.) |> |> I get past the boot: prompt... it displays |> |> "reading system config: /usr/Devices/system.config/Instance0.table |> |> loading mach_kernal |> ..+++++++++++++.+.+.+ |> (screen clears at this point and displays) |> NeXTMach 3.1 Thu Apr 29 23:44:40 PDT 1993; root(rcbuilder): Objects/mk-149.22.3.obj ~2/RELEASE_I386 |> physical memory=8.00 megabytes |> using 20 buffers containing 0.15 megabytes of memory |> available memory=5.64 megabytes vm_page_free_count 2b3 |> ISA bus |> warning: using internal backup device configuration tables |> PCPointer probe: mouseInit failure |> Registering: PCkeyboard0 |> |> at that point the system comes to a grinding halt. The floppy disk light stays on but the drive does not read any more. |> In addition with my Gateway 2000 programmable keyboard, at this point, the keyboard program light will start to blink. I also tried a friends normal keyboard but the system again got this far and then died on the spot. |> Well I have the Adaptec SCSI card set up right as far as jumpers go now. (A very very big thanks for the folks at NeXT who helped me out thus far.) But the system STILL bombs in the exact same place in the exact same manner. This is really starting to torque me off. I really want to get NeXTSTEP on my system. I've tried different IRQ's and Interrupts, made sure my cache settings where right on the system...etc... I'm flustered I'm almost to the point of dumping multi $$$$$ in a new machine. Is it possible that for the Gateway system you need a certain level or above of the Phoenix BIOS? Or certain level of motherboard revision? I'm grasping at straws and I can't impress my friends if this machine won't fly. Thanks again in advance for any help. Tom Gall IBM Rochester, Minnesota #include <std.disclaimer>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993Jun3.204701.24629@news.acns.nwu.edu> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL References: <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> <1993Jun2.121716.23704@resonex.com> <vanepp.739076355@sfu.ca> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 20:47:01 GMT In article <vanepp.739076355@sfu.ca> vanepp@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Van Epp) writes: > >Are you by any chance leaving the tape in the drive (and rewound) for long >periods of time? Both DATs and 8mm tape drives are helical scan, which means >that the heads as well as the tape are both moving. It have heard (and >beleive) that leaving a DAT or 8mm tape loaded in a drive (rewound) will cause >wear on the beginning of the tape. You would probably be better asking this >question in one of comp.scsi (? I have that feeling there is something in >the middle of that ...), or comp.arch.storage. In either or both groups >you are likely to find people that make the drives and who could therefore >provide a better answer. > Both the 8mm and Dat tape unload heads after periods of no activity. The only thing that might create problems is if you reboot your machine often and it generates a SCSI bus reset. This would cause needless load of the heads and testing of the tape with some extra wear on the tape. I think both formats reserve a certain part of the tape exclusively for self testing when a tape is inserted or the bus is reset. If you wear out this area and the self testing fails, the tapes will not load. Both drives are very sensitive to problems from dust and dirt. But given the nature of the media and the densities involved that should not be a real surprise. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Date: 3 Jun 1993 17:03:26 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1ulouuINN2eu@systemix.com> References: <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe In article <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes: >>No, this is not a question of a contents on the tape. Resonex (where I work) >>is using DATs more than 2 years now and there are problems from time to time >>with damaged DAT cassettes (I mean: after certain period of successful appends >>and reads, suddenly you get media error at the beginning of the tape, and you >>cannot read any file anymore). > >This sounds more like a software problem--when you append, it writes a >new header at the beginning of the tape. If the write isn't done properly, >you get garbage, and suddenly everything is gone. > Well, I doubt it's a problem with the backup application since the log data that's written to the beginning of a DAT tape is done by the drive, and not the application using it. I agree, though, that I would much prefer that the drive not dork with the beginning of the tape when I'm appending data to the end. I'd like to think that data already successfully written to the tape is safe. Regards, brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: How to tell if a Turbo speaks ABD? Date: 3 Jun 93 17:02:30 Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University Message-ID: <ANDERSON.93Jun3170230@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> Are all Turbo stations capable of handling ADB devices? If not, how does one tell if one's own particular machine has this capability? And if it doesn't, is this remediable? I'm sure this is in a FAQ somewhere, but I can't find anything in the version I have (or in old NeXTAnswers), so (with apologies for possible waste of bandwidth) I hope someone will be kind enough to help me out. --Steve Anderson
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Date: 3 Jun 1993 17:05:53 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1ulp3hINN2fg@systemix.com> References: <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> <1993Jun2.121716.23704@resonex.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe In article <1993Jun2.121716.23704@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: > >This is more or less what I wanted to raise prolonging this discussion: >DAT-technology is great, even improving, but eventual errors with handling >could cause lost of huge data. > > -Z. I have several backups that have been accumulating to the same group of tapes for over six months. I have *never* had a problem accessing data that has been successfully written to DAT tape. I have heard of a few people with DAT media failures, but these have been rare and usually haven't been at the beginning of the tape. Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Date: 3 Jun 1993 17:07:27 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1ulp6fINN2g2@systemix.com> References: <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> <1993Jun2.121716.23704@resonex.com> <vanepp.739076355@sfu.ca> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe In article <vanepp.739076355@sfu.ca> vanepp@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Van Epp) writes: > >Are you by any chance leaving the tape in the drive (and rewound) for long >periods of time? Both DATs and 8mm tape drives are helical scan, which means >that the heads as well as the tape are both moving. It have heard (and >beleive) that leaving a DAT or 8mm tape loaded in a drive (rewound) will cause >wear on the beginning of the tape. You would probably be better asking this >question in one of comp.scsi (? I have that feeling there is something in >the middle of that ...), or comp.arch.storage. In either or both groups >you are likely to find people that make the drives and who could therefore >provide a better answer. As far as I am aware, all DAT drives unload the heads when there hasn't been activity for some small (several minutes) period of time. You can usually hear the heads load and unload. Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Date: 3 Jun 1993 17:10:59 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1ulpd3INN2gp@systemix.com> References: <1993Jun2.121716.23704@resonex.com> <vanepp.739076355@sfu.ca> <1993Jun3.204701.24629@news.acns.nwu.edu> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe In article <1993Jun3.204701.24629@news.acns.nwu.edu> jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > >Both drives are very sensitive to problems from dust and dirt. But given >the nature of the media and the densities involved that should not be >a real surprise. > Given that the drives have a spec'd error rate of less than one unrecoverable bit error in 10^15, I suspect that unless the tape is really damaged, or the format is blown away (difficult to acheive through normal use) your chances of losing data on the DAT are very, very, small. Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
From: brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Does NS/FIP support SCSI tape? Date: 3 Jun 1993 17:13:43 -0400 Organization: Systemix Software, Inc. Message-ID: <1ulpi7INN2hb@systemix.com> References: <1993Jun2.064713.16197@news.uiowa.edu> Keywords: SCSI TAPE NS/FIP In article <1993Jun2.064713.16197@news.uiowa.edu> isca@icaen.uiowa.edu (Iowa Student Computer Assoc) writes: >Help! I plugged a Archive Python DAT drive into my Intel system running >the production release of NS/FIP expecting to be able to access it with >/dev/rst0, but the system pretends it doesn't exist (and the boot >sequence doesn't find it either). The same setup works just fine >on black hardware. Should this work, or is there something I can do >to make it work? (For reference, my config was an IDE system disk and >on the SCSI bus an Apple CD300 and the Archive Python DAT) > The st device entries are erroneously included in /dev, even when the SCSI tape driver is not installed. You need to configure your system to include the SCSI tape driver and reboot. Brian -- Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: HELP! for NeXTSTEP on Gateway machine Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun03.215024.7815@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1993 21:50:24 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993May31.193815.12822@rchland.ibm.com> <1993Jun03.200645.26185@rchland.ibm.com> Organization: IBM Rochester Opps, I really should put up my correct address for those of you who might be willing to lend a hand...t'would appreciate it! work: tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (no NeXTMail here please 8-( ) home: gypsy!servo@csn.org (NeXTMail ok) -- Tom Gall IBM Rochester, Minnesota #include <std.disclaimer>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: g3steen@sms.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) Subject: NeXT CD-ROM Organization: University of Western Ontario Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 23:26:39 GMT Message-ID: <5uaL5B5w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca> Sender: news@julian.uwo.ca (USENET News System) Since I am probably going to be buying the NeXTstep 3.1 upgrade educational package, I find myself in need of a CD-ROM player. I don't really know anything about format and compatability questions (I understand the technology though) unfortunately. I want to know which CD-ROM player I shold buy. If I buy the NeXT CD-ROM player, can I hook it up to an IBM and read IBM sotware CD's? Do I have to consider data formats, or drivers? Also, how can I leave myself open to using Photo CD's inthe future? Thanks. g3steen@sms.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) Western Business School -- London, Ontario
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Video Refresh Rates (Intel) Message-ID: <C82FB8.Cwt@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 21:49:55 GMT I've been thinking about getting an Intel-based NeXTSTEP system at home (you know - once I win the lottery), but I'm one of those folks who is terribly bothered by refresh rates < 70Hz. Do any of the video card options (ATI, JAWS whatever) offer both high resolution and high refresh rates? Thanks in advance for any info, Eric -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs. Epson Progression NX Date: 3 Jun 1993 23:54:03 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Message-ID: <1um2urINNf1r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1uk50rINNl5k@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Jun03.195225.13004@rchland.ibm.com> In article <1993Jun03.195225.13004@rchland.ibm.com> tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) writes: >In article <1uk50rINNl5k@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) writes: >|> Our research group is looking into a system for NEXTSTEP. Two candidates >|> are the Intel Professional GX and the Epson "NX" system. Does anyone >|> have hands-on experience with both systems? I have seen the performance of >|> each, and they seem to be similar, but the main differences are that >|> the Intel GX is a 64-bit motherboard with RAM expandable to 128 Megs while >|> the Epson is a 32 board with RAM expandable to 68 Megs. >|> > >I was at the NeXTWORLD EXPO, and I had the fortune to be able to testdrive the Epson Progression NX machine. > >The Video on the Epson was quite good. It supported the original NeXT resolution of 1120x832. (This made be happy!) Moreso, it passed my "pickup and drag a good sized panel around really fast and see if the system keeps up" test. I am very confused at the moment because BOTH the NeXT hardware compatibility guide AND an EPSON Progression NX brochure state that the EPSON supports only 1024x768 resolution. I have had three people tell me different by claiming 1120x832 is supported. Is this possible on the 20 inch monitor only or does the 17 inch monitor support the high resolution? Does this resolution only come in 256 colors (1120x832x256)? > >I would say the Epson machine is a safe bet and you would be happy with it. Pricewise tho, it's a bit much for my taste. about $6000 with a 17" monitor. It is not really that bad of a price considering you are getting 36 megs of RAM, a 525 SCSI hard drive, a ProAudio Spectrum Sound Card, Intel Ethernet Card, Adaptec Controller, and NeXTSTEP, Windows AND DOS preloaded. Also, can anyone comment on the quality and crispness of the 17 inch EPSON Professional monitor? How does it compare in clarity to a TRINITRON? I believe the dot pitch of the EPSON 17 inch is 0.28, but this does not mean it is a crisp picture. -Eric
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eboltz@acoustica.mrd.bldrdoc.gov (Eric S. Boltz) Subject: Re: HELP! for NeXTSTEP on Gateway machine Message-ID: <C82I9u.EGv@dove.nist.gov> Sender: news@dove.nist.gov Organization: NIST References: <1993Jun03.200645.26185@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 22:53:53 GMT From NeXTanswers: (sorry if you already have it - and email bounced so I'm posting it) GATEWAY Setup and Installation: The 3 1/2" floppy must be set to drive A. This involves opening the system's case and switching the floppy controller cable. Consult the Gateway 2000 user's guide for a more detailed explanation. To change the configuration settings, invoke the ROM setup program by pressing <control> <alt> <esc> early in the boot process. The Quality Assurance group successfully installed NEXTSTEP Release 3.1 onto a Gateway 2000 66V that had the following setup. NEXTSTEP was installed onto a SCSI hard disk. Phoenix Technologies Ltd. Version System Configuration Setup 4.03 00 Diskette A: 3.5 Inch, 1.44 MB Diskette B: 5.25 Inch, 1.2 MB Cyl Hd Pre LZ Sec Size Hard Disk 1: Not Installed Hard Disk 2: Not Installed Hard Disk 3: Not Installed Hard Disk 4: Not Installed HD1 Block Mode : Disabled HD2 Block Mode : Disabled HD3 Block Mode : Disabled HD4 Block Mode : Disabled Base Memory: 640 KB Extended Memory: 15360 KB Display: VGA/EGA IDE Controller Speed: Medium Phoenix Technologies Ltd. Micronics MCM2 Chip Set Feature Control BIOS shadow : Disabled * CPU speed : Fast Internal cache : Enabled External cache : Enabled 0c0000-0c7fff : Noncacheable 0c8000-0cffff : Noncacheable 0d0000-0d7fff : Noncacheable 0e0000-0effff : Noncacheable 0f0000-0fffff : Noncacheable On Board COMA : Disabled COMA-IRQ : Disabled On Board COMB : Disabled COMB-IRQ : Disabled On Board LPT : Disabled LPT-IRQ : Disabled * BIOS shadowing must be disabled with the ROM configuration utility in order for NEXTSTEP to run on this system. Known Problems: NEXTSTEP installation will fail if BIOS shadowing is enabled. -- Eric S. Boltz, M.S.E. *eboltz@nist.gov* Materials Research Engineer eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu National Institute of Standards and Technology NeXTMail Accepted (Ph.D. Candidate, Johns Hopkins University) My views, opinions and statements in no way reflect those of the U.S. Gov't, the U.S. Department of Commerce or NIST.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Analog and Digital I/O Hardware (long) Message-ID: <C7yKF7.5E@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 19:49:54 GMT While at the show I saw what I consider the best device on the market for A/D conversion on the NeXT. The product is called MaxAudio by Harvard Toolworks. After seeing it I was sold and spent my money and I'm waiting for the first production run. Here's a list of features: * Analog audio input - Stereo 18bit A/D converters, switch selectable for 18 or 16 bit mode. Plug compatible in 16 bit mode with existing NeXT software. The A/D converters are 64x oversampled with 107dB SNR (A-weighted), 100dB S/(N+D) Programmable steroe digital volume control (optional) provides -98dB attenuation and 30dB gain. Extremely low noise preamp (110dB dynamic range, 0.001% THD). Both balanced XLR connectors and single ended RCA connectors are provided. The XLR in and out are switch configurable for pin 2 or pin 3 hot. * Analog audio output - 107 dB dynamic range over the audio bandwidth with -0.0002dB passband ripple. Both balanced XLR connectors and single ended RCA connectors are provided. The XLR in and out are switch configurable for pin 2 or pin 3 hot. * Digital audio input/output- Digital audio option (optional) provides AES/EBU and S/PDIF in/out. Switch selectable for 48KHz and 44.1KHz. * SMPTE Sync - Two video inputs and two outputs. Independently selectable for NTSC, PAL, S-Video, & HI-8 formats. Time code Burn-in window on video outs. Genlock to video or house sync inputs. Simultaneous generation and reading of MIDI Time Code, LTC, and VITC. Supports "jam-sync", "freewheeling", error bypass/correction, plus one frame, frame-by-frame user data updates, and lock to "click". * MIDI in/out/thru ports with MTC support - * Control panel, playback, recording software - Provided as executable and source Control Panel for MaxAudio hardware parameters. Real-time audio punch-in or mix with source audio with programmable fades. The product will be supported under NS/I, Windows, and Windows NT on white hardware. They offer an ISA bus card that looks like NeXT hardware. That is you can take anything that ran on the NeXT DSP and run it on their card. The big difference is the host port. The interface is cool and the only affiliation I have with them is that I was impressed with the product and purchased it. Harvard Toolworks can be reached by email info@magdalen.dmc.com or at (508)772-4420 Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: edx@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Review of HP35480A SCSI DAT Drive (I bought one, so...) Message-ID: <1993Jun3.164145.68955@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jun 93 16:41:45 MDT References: <1tuovf$3jg@moonshot.west.oic.com> <1uc076INNeu@systemix.com> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University In article <1uc076INNeu@systemix.com>, brian@systemix.com (Brian Cuthie) writes: > In article <1tuovf$3jg@moonshot.west.oic.com> dillon@moonshot.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon) writes: >> >> Well folks, a short while ago I was in the market for a tape backup unit >>and started researching my options. A friend of mine in Germany suggested the >>HP 35480A SCSI DAT backup drive and I looked into it. I called HP and they >>gave two numbers for resellers: >> >> Anthem Inc 1-800-359-3580 >> Arrow 1-800-323-4373 >> > > Peripheral Solutions has these drives cheaper than any other source I've seen. > You can call them at 800.ALL.DISK. > >>LACKS >> >> There does not appear to be a way to determine how full a tape is. I am >>not 100% familiar with SCSI tape commands so I could be missing something. >>There is no front panel-display, only two bi-color LEDs. >> > > Actually the drive does report the number of 1K blocks remaining. Look at the > Log Sense data for page 31. > > > BEGIN SHAMELESS PLUG > > You should download SafetyNet from the archives. It supports this drive well > and features: control of compression, remaining capacity reporting, incremental > as well as full backups, and the most amazing feature of the drive, seeking. > Using the drive's ability to seek, any file can be located in less than one > minute. This is pretty amazing for 4 or 5 gigabytes worth of data. > > END SHAMELESS PLUG > > Cheers, > > Brian > > > > -- > > Brian Cuthie Voice: (410) 290-8813 > Systemix Software, Inc. Email: brian@systemix.com Are there any quick utilities to control the compression of an HP DAT drive? I'm trying to read a DAT tar tape written by an SGI, so far with no luck. I *highly* suspect I have to turn off the compression on the HP DAT drive, but haven't found any documentation on how to do this with software. Thanks. Howard Cole USU Space Dynamics
From: alvin@arapaho.ucsc.edu (Alvin Jee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs. Epson Progression NX Date: 4 Jun 1993 00:48:57 GMT Organization: UC Santa Cruz CIS/CE Sender: alvin@arapaho (Alvin Jee) Distribution: world Message-ID: <1um65pINNkd8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1uk50rINNl5k@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Jun03.195225.13004@rchland.ibm.com> In article <1993Jun03.195225.13004@rchland.ibm.com>, tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) writes: |> I was at the NeXTWORLD EXPO, and I had the fortune to be able to testdrive |> the Epson Progression NX machine. |> |> The Video on the Epson was quite good. It supported the original NeXT resolution |> of 1120x832. (This made be happy!) Moreso, it passed my "pickup and drag a good |> sized panel around really fast and see if the system keeps up" test. Huh? I didn't think any machine could do 1120x832 in color except the DELL DGX. Did you wee that in color or greyscale? If the Epson can really do this, I hope they can get the Intel to do it since I'm planning to get one of those guys... Alvin Jee alvin@cse.ucsc.edu
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: {Sharing a NeXT monitor (17" mono) with an SE/30? Date: 3 Jun 1993 19:17:46 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1umbca$12v@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Has anyone tried sharing a NeXT monitor with an SE/30 via a switcher box. Is it possible if only one machine at a time is on? maurices :``wq
From: mmyaing@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mi Myaing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Dell's SysVr4 R2.2 vs. NeXTSTEP 3.1/FIP(long) Followup-To: poster Date: 4 Jun 1993 03:56:52 GMT Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility Distribution: world Message-ID: <1umh64$a0c@agate.berkeley.edu> Summary: Function / Feature Comparison Keywords: Network Server, hardware. Net Folk, If I've inadvertently posted to an irrelevant group, please forgive me. I'm seeking info comparing NeXTSTEP 3.1/FIP to the current system5 products available. Specifically, I'm interested in Dell. (Yes, they DO still support it and it is a pretty good product.) I've contacted the makers of both products, and a few third-party supporters of both, and haven't met with much success. I've been given the task of comparing the two as software for a heterogeneous Mac/PC network with a PC server, so that our fetal surgery department can choose between the two. I think NeXT is the way to go, but I'm not satisfied it can fulfill our needs within our budget. The areas of concern are listed below. 1. Required Hardware. We don't have ton's of money. For Dell, $7000 buys us a decent server: 486/66 1MB Cache 32MB Ram 1.05 GB Scsi Hard Drive BusLogic Eisa Scsi-2 Disk Controller 3Com579 Eisa Ethernet Adapter ATI Ultra Video Adapter w1MB CTX 17" 1280x1024 .26mm Flat Display Given the system/memory requirements for color NS, we're not convinced that the above system is strong enough to perform well. 2. Ease of use of system administration tools. The person who'll be running this system has never seen a unix machine and will have to be trained. NS's "point and click" is a clear win over the disjointed tools offered in a typical unix system.(Does Dell do something special here?) 3. Supported Connectivity Options: Both do NFS & TCP/IP. Dell includes PC-Interface server. The client package is inexpensive (less than NFS, ... packages) for both Macs and PCs, and includes vt100 emulation in addition to mass storage and print sharing functionality. RFS support is also included with Dell. Novell support is available from a third party(whom? how much?) An improved UFS is also available from Prologic Systems that promises a 2-6 fold throughput increase. A 3rd party NFS is also available (from whom? supported host adapters? price?) NS 3.1 supports Appleshare and Novell(built-in?) Does the appleshare include appletalk/ethertalk for client printer access. For GUI's, DELL has OpenLook, Motif, and XView on top of X11r5. NS has DPS and ?? For dialin access, what packages are available for each server? For X11r6, NCD has donated XRemote to the public domain, and it is now possible to get PC(Xview/XRemote) and MAC(??) X-client software that supports it. 4. Serial I/O Device support: What modems, multi-modem cards and serial I/O cards does each support? 5. Special Features OS Emulation: Dell has DOS Merge bundled, can do dos and Windows(??) Dell can read/write Dos floppies NS has Dos Merge(?) and ?? Can do dos, Windows and System 7 Can read/write dos/mac(?) disks. Dell has Framemaker 3.0 support, and a bundled demo. NS doesn't. What Optical Disk/CD-rom support is available from 3rd parties? What backup management software? Thanks in advance, I'll post a summary. Vince Reed UCSF Division of Surgery vince@jsrvx1.ucsf.edu <----- (Our campus' news server is on the blink so I'm borrowing a friend's account.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Subject: NS/FIP up and running Message-ID: <1993Jun4.050530.5074@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 05:05:30 GMT Is there anyone who has NextStep for Intel Processors up and running on hardware not specifically listed on the compatibility guides willing share the general configuration with us? Any information about performance would be appreciated as well. As a black hardware user, I'm not as comfortable with PC hardware and what tradeoffs can be made with different components, especially in a system requiring high performance. Many people are trying to bring or introduce more NextStep into our workplaces. If we could all share our experiences, perhaps we could stretch the envelope of configurations that work and allow NS to be more easily accepted. Thanks. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: brill@sybase.com (Michael Brill) Subject: Upgrading to 3.1 on Cube - No Floppy Message-ID: <C82DHF.Dx9@sybase.com> Sender: usenet@sybase.com Organization: Sybase, Inc. Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 21:10:26 GMT I've inherited an '040 cube that's running 2.1. I'm getting the 3.1 upgrade but I've forgotten how to install NS on a machine without a floppy (only has optical and 660meg internal). Could someone remind me of the way to do this ... BTW, I don't have any opticals, though I reckon I could fine one if it was vital. Note I also have NS Intel installed on an external hard drive... could I just set the SCSI ID to 0 and hook it up to the cube and do a builddisk? Thanks, ...Michael Brill (brill@sybase.com)
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs. Epson Progression NX Date: 4 Jun 1993 05:51:45 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1umnth$bde@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Jun03.195225.13004@rchland.ibm.com> In article <1993Jun03.195225.13004@rchland.ibm.com> tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) writes: >I was at the NeXTWORLD EXPO, and I had the fortune to be able to >testdrive the Epson Progression NX machine. > >The Video on the Epson was quite good. It supported the original NeXT >resolution of 1120x832. (This made be happy!) Moreso, it passed my Was it really 1120x832? Hardware Compatibility Guide from nextanswers@next.com dated June 1, 1993 says Prograssion NX supports 1024x768 with 2MB VRAM. And the only 1120x832 machine listed is DELL DGX. So? Really, what other configs support 1120x832 or higher? I don't want to lose any screen real estate when moving to Intel, so this is important to me. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs. Epson Progression NX Message-ID: <1993Jun4.055649.1624@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine References: <1uk50rINNl5k@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> <1993Jun03.195225.13004@rchland.ibm.com> <1um65pINNkd8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 05:56:49 GMT In article <1um65pINNkd8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> alvin@arapaho.ucsc.edu (Alvin Jee) writes: <stuff about 1120 x 832> > > If the Epson can really do this, I hope they can get the Intel to do it since > I'm planning to get one of those guys... > >Alvin Jee >alvin@cse.ucsc.edu > The Epson's Wingine has a new driver that allows it to run at 1120 x 832 at 16 bits per pixel. The Intel, which uses an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro, runs at 1024 x 768 at 16 bits. I'm not aware that anyone has pushed an ATI at NeXT-native resolution. Kris Magnusson -- Yan-Fang Magnusson <yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu> Nuclear-powered philosophy student <Give me $20 or kill me>
From: mitch@mills.edu (Mitch Gass) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Apple CD-ROM Drive with NS/I? Date: 4 Jun 1993 06:58:14 GMT Organization: Mills College, Oakland CA Distribution: na Message-ID: <1umrq6$c89@agate.berkeley.edu> I'd like to use NEXTSTEP for Intel Processors on a Gateway 2000 66V, and it looks like the only thing I'm missing is a SCSI CD-ROM drive. If I get one of the approved SCSI cards from the hardware compatibility list, how likely is it that I can use an old Apple CD-ROM drive (an original CD SC)? Has anyone had luck with this combination? Thanks for your help! Mitch Gass mitch@mills.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: frank@dendrite (Mark Frank) Subject: NEC Image 466 Message-ID: <1993Jun3.213354.3784@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Sender: news@newsgate.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 21:33:54 GMT I was interested in the NEC image 466 for running Nextstep. The hardware compatibility guide shows that this computer only offers 2 bit gray scale. Does anyone have any further information on this? Will 16 bit color be forthcoming? - Thanks, Mark -- Mark Frank frank@dendrite.sps.mot.com Motorola Inc. 2100 E. Elliot MD508 Tempe, AZ 85284
From: mmyaing@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mi Myaing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sys5.misc,comp.unix.sys5.r4,comp.unix.wizards,comp.soft-sys.nextstep Subject: Dell's SysVr4 R2.2 vs. NeXTSTEP 3.1/FIP(long) Followup-To: poster Date: 4 Jun 1993 00:06:49 GMT Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility Distribution: world Message-ID: <1um3mp$6dq@agate.berkeley.edu> Summary: Function / Feature Comparison Keywords: Network Server, hardware. Net Folk, If I've inadvertently posted to an irrelevant group, please forgive me. I'm seeking info comparing NeXTSTEP 3.1/FIP to the current system5 products available. Specifically, I'm interested in Dell. (Yes, they DO still support it and it is a pretty good product.) I've contacted the makers of both products, and a few third-party supporters of both, and haven't met with much success. I've been given the task of comparing the two as software for a heterogeneous Mac/PC network with a PC server, so that our fetal surgery department can choose between the two. I think NeXT is the way to go, but I'm not satisfied it can fulfill our needs within our budget. The areas of concern are listed below. 1. Required Hardware. We don't have ton's of money. For Dell, $7000 buys us a decent server: 486/66 1MB Cache 32MB Ram 1.05 GB Scsi Hard Drive BusLogic Eisa Scsi-2 Disk Controller 3Com579 Eisa Ethernet Adapter ATI Ultra Video Adapter w1MB CTX 17" 1280x1024 .26mm Flat Display Given the system/memory requirements for color NS, we're not convinced that the above system is strong enough to perform well. 2. Ease of use of system administration tools. The person who'll be running this system has never seen a unix machine and will have to be trained. NS's "point and click" is a clear win over the disjointed tools offered in a typical unix system.(Does Dell do something special here?) 3. Supported Connectivity Options: Both do NFS & TCP/IP. Dell includes PC-Interface server. The client package is inexpensive (less than NFS, ... packages) for both Macs and PCs, and includes vt100 emulation in addition to mass storage and print sharing functionality. RFS support is also included with Dell. Novell support is available from a third party(whom? how much?) An improved UFS is also available from Prologic Systems that promises a 2-6 fold throughput increase. A 3rd party NFS is also available (from whom? supported host adapters? price?) NS 3.1 supports Appleshare and Novell(built-in?) Does the appleshare include appletalk/ethertalk for client printer access. For GUI's, DELL has OpenLook, Motif, and XView on top of X11r5. NS has DPS and ?? For dialin access, what packages are available for each server? For X11r6, NCD has donated XRemote to the public domain, and it is now possible to get PC(Xview/XRemote) and MAC(??) X-client software that supports it. 4. Serial I/O Device support: What modems, multi-modem cards and serial I/O cards does each support? 5. Special Features OS Emulation: Dell has DOS Merge bundled, can do dos and Windows(??) Dell can read/write Dos floppies NS has Dos Merge(?) and ?? Can do dos, Windows and System 7 Can read/write dos/mac(?) disks. Dell has Framemaker 3.0 support, and a bundled demo. NS doesn't. What Optical Disk/CD-rom support is available from 3rd parties? What backup management software? Thanks in advance, I'll post a summary. Vince Reed UCSF Division of Surgery vince@jsrvx1.ucsf.edu <----- (Our campus' news server is on the blink so I'm borrowing a friend's account.)
From: alvin@arapaho.ucsc.edu (Alvin Jee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Analog and Digital I/O Hardware Date: 4 Jun 1993 00:54:11 GMT Organization: UC Santa Cruz CIS/CE Sender: alvin@arapaho (Alvin Jee) Distribution: na Message-ID: <1um6fjINNkd8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <C7yKF7.5E@infoserv.com> In article <C7yKF7.5E@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com writes: ... munch ... |> They offer an ISA bus card that looks like NeXT hardware. |> That is you can take anything that ran on the NeXT DSP and run it on |> their card. The big difference is the host port. The interface is cool Yipppee!! Now we can run Mandelbrot and compare the speed of the DSP vs the speed of a 486! :) :) Alvin Jee alvin@cse.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bell@nosc.mil (Tom Bell) Subject: Dell and NeXTSTEP 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jun4.014654.20914@nosc.mil> News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers Sender: usenet@nosc.mil (Network News) Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 01:46:54 GMT Has anyone sucessfully installed NeXTSTEP 3.1 on a Dell DGX machine with a DPT SCSI adapter? ______________________________________________________________________________ Tom Bell email: bell@nosc.mil NCCOSC RDT&E (NRaD) San Diego, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Adaptec... Date: 3 Jun 1993 19:13:24 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1umb44$115@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <CRESPO.93Jun1151402@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> I talked to an Adaptec tech close to three weeks ago and he told me that they were actively working on a NEXTSTEP driver.{ : maurices
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: 2 headed NEXT Date: 4 Jun 1993 09:50:52 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <1un5ts$e40@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1993Jun4.074659.23682@csus.edu> In article <1993Jun4.074659.23682@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: >In article <1ums5f$nvh@pith.uoregon.edu> sbm@oregon.uoregon.edu > writes: >>a question... If the nextStep Machines support 2 video cards >>would it provide you with 2 identical displays, or would it >>(Please, please, please) give you a Macintosh type multi-monitor >>interface with an expanded desktop. > >Considering that NeXTdimension systems do the latter, I would >expect n-headed NS/FIP systems to work the same way. You can't compare PC video and ND directly. On the NeXTbus, slots were ID'ed so software could address multiple ND boards independently. On the PC, VL-bus video boards must be configurable to map VRAM and I/O into different address ranges. I don't know if the current video cards are designed with that kind of flexibility (I hope so). So, the limitation, if it exists currently, is in the configurability of video boards. If they are configurable so addressing conflicts can be resolved, I am sure it will be supported, if not immediately. I want multi-headed NS/Intel videos, and I want the H- and V-timebase on those multiple boards synchronized. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: captain@arsenal.com (Andrew T. Foster) Subject: Re: Intel vs Epson Message-ID: <1993Jun4.072901.1046@arsenal.com> Sender: captain@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 07:29:01 GMT Howdy, On the second night of the show, a NeXT Engineer showed up with a driver for the Epson NX. Apparently, Epson had modified the hardware a bit and the new driver fired up the Epson to 1120x832 in 16-bit. It looked GREAT! It moved really fast! A new driver, that is not written by Pencom or NeXT, is going to be available from ATI very soon. I am sure that this driver will take full advantage of the ATI. Instead of NeXT's and Pencom's method of not working with the manufacture and doing silly things like "not writing to the RAMDAC" because its "proprietary". <sigh> Amazing the things you hear at expo when you sit and drink beer with some of the vendors till 3:00 a.m. at Moscone. :) I would wait a bit until the new drivers from the Video Manufacturers appear. NEC is supposed to have a real hot one for their newer machine that is coming out. It sports a Tseng W32 chip built on the motherboard w/ 4megs of VRAM. The guy from NEC said it ran circles around ATI and the Epson. We'll have to see in a month or so. Video on the PC is not that bad. It just takes drivers that work with the hardware. Not hacked out drivers. Later! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Organization: Resonex Inc., Fremont CA References: <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <C81wq1.1nE@chinet.chinet.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 15:37:13 GMT In article <C81wq1.1nE@chinet.chinet.com> les@chinet.chinet.com (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >In article <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >>No, this is not a question of a contents on the tape. Resonex (where I work) >>is using DATs more than 2 years now and there are problems from time to time >>with damaged DAT cassettes (I mean: after certain period of successful appends >>and reads, suddenly you get media error at the beginning of the tape, and you >>cannot read any file anymore). We (and our customers) use anly the graded >>DDS cassettes, but still the problems show up from time to time. >>And therefore I repeat myself: be careful with putting on one tape a huge data. >>This is the reason, why I hesitate to use the drives with compression. > >Ummm, if the problem is media damage, wouldn't it be better to compress >the data and have more copies on different tapes rather than only >one uncompressed copy? > >Les Mikesell > les@chinet.com Yes, it would be probably the best strategy. I am assured from many people, that the recently produced drives with compression create compatible archives. The problem is, however, that our users would be tempted to use the tape for more loads/unloads (more "compressed" files on one tape). In addition the drives with compression cost more that the others. -Z.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lahurst@maths.tcd.ie (Leon Hurst) Subject: Re: Help in selecting 486 system for NEXTSTEP: Gateway or ??? Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland. Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 12:53:47 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun4.125347.4271@maths.tcd.ie> References: <1993Jun2.201953.11426@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> suresh@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Suresh Pai) writes: >Hi >I would like to buy a 486DX2 66 MHz system to run NEXTSTEP for home >use. >I selected Gateway 4DX2-66V system because I think it is a cheap and >good system. I dropped a few and added a few options and I got the >price quote. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Original system My configuration >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >16MB RAM, 256 Cache -same- >3.5 " Disk Drive and CD ROM No CD-ROM (It is not SCSI ??) >340 MB 13ms IDE hard drive 424 MB hard drive ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Does this mean that NeXTSTEP will support the IDE interface or when you say you got a 424MB HD you also mean a SCSI controller? Leon (I little confused!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: DPT SCSI controller in Europe? Message-ID: <1993Jun4.135704.7103@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 13:57:04 GMT I've called several computer resellers here in the Netherlands, but none of them ships the DPT EISA SCSI (the only EISA SCSI controller supported by release 3.1) controller. Any suggestions on how to contact "Distributed Processing Technologies" and ask them about their resellers in Europe? Or should I wait for the Adaptec 1740 and 3.2? Groetjes, PS. The bustek controller is officially unsupported. And probably is as hard to find a reseller for too. -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 500+ HD recommendation? Date: 4 Jun 1993 10:58:53 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1unnvdINNrpa@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Can anyone recommend a firm selling EXTERNAL hard drives that will work with Turbo machines? I need about 500 MB. I don't really feel like doing all the formatting and SCSI work (how hard is it?), but I can't pay much more than 850$ or so. Thanks Robert de Lucca Johns Hopkins University email robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: l06@aixfile1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Subject: ET4000(w32i) with NS/FIP: Do they work ? Message-ID: <1993Jun4.155221.18681@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 15:52:21 GMT Okay, in the new hardware compatibility guide 1024x768 is listed as maximum resolution supported by the ET4000AX ISA-BUS graphics adapters in 2-bit-grayscale mode. Does this really work ? In PR1 it wouldn't, so I'm just curious if they got it right in time. Could be a major point for the installed base of ISA bus machines. Running NS/FIP in 2-bit gray is better than Windows in 16 colours. NeXT says 'Future support is planned for the Tseng ET4000W32i and the S3-928' not forgetting to mention that it should run on a local bus architecture. Perhaps someone with access to a VLB machine an a VLB ET4000W32i card could check if the Tseng driver mentioned above works with this configuration. There's been reported that the W32i sometimes has problems running programs written for the ET4000AX, though it is designed to be 100% downward compatible. There are some W32i adapters available that claim to be upgradable to 4MB. That would mean they could run (mathematically) 32-bit-colour at 1120x832. What a dream!!!! So if it is be possible to use the W32i in grayscale until the projected drivers arrive, I would strongely recommend this. Gregor ----- Gregor Hoffleit NeXT User Group Heidelberg -> 'NoUGH INF 288 6900 Heidelberg, Germany Internet: flight@vogon.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) Subject: Re: DPT SCSI controller in Europe? Message-ID: <1993Jun4.163244.24878@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <1993Jun4.135704.7103@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 16:32:44 GMT In article <1993Jun4.135704.7103@cs.utwente.nl> botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) writes: > >Or should I wait for the Adaptec 1740 and 3.2? > >Groetjes, > >PS. The bustek controller is officially unsupported. And > probably is as hard to find a reseller for too. > The bustek controllers are Adaptec compatible, so they should be OK. Does anyone know for sure? From what I've read, the bustek controllers do a better job. D. dmanke@sanjuan.uvic.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: vail@prev.etdesg.trw.com (Steve Vaillancourt) Subject: thin ethernet to 10-base-T Message-ID: <2C0F9078.1C82@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Sender: news@deneva.sdd.trw.com Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 18:12:07 GMT Hi. My thin ethernet is going away, to be replaced by 10-base-T. This is how I currently talk to my Mac. I read the FAQ on thin-->thick ethernet, and it seems pretty expensive since my NeXT cube is only an '030 box with monochrome monitor. Is there any other way I can get the NeXT to talk to my Mac other than upgrading the NeXT's ethernet ? Any new/cheap ways ? serial ports, etc ? Doesn't have to be high speed; I just need the connectivity. Thanks for any help ! Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: captain@arsenal.com (Andrew T. Foster) Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs Epson Progression NX Message-ID: <1993Jun4.181246.443@arsenal.com> Sender: captain@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 18:12:46 GMT Howdy, Well, I just had a call for Bob Lawton at NeXT and I would like to retract a bit of the sarcasm from my earlier post about working with vendors. It seems like they are working and doing a great job of working with vendors. The ATI driver is a joint effort and not a solo effort by any means. The Epson NX (NOT the Progression) DOES 1120x832 in 16-bit Color. Yes, you read it correctly. I saw it at the Expo. I was with the NeXT Engineer when he installed it. It looks and works very well! The Epson monitor is a very good monitor. It was extremely crisp and very usable. The Epson is an excellent machine and if I was to purchase a name brand I would buy the Epson because of the video quality. Later! - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis
From: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs Epson Progression NX Date: 4 Jun 93 15:05:02 Organization: University of Michigan Message-ID: <GISLI.93Jun4150502@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> References: <1993Jun4.181246.443@arsenal.com> In-reply-to: captain@arsenal.com's message of Fri, 4 Jun 1993 18:12:46 GMT >>>>> In article <1993Jun4.181246.443@arsenal.com>, captain@arsenal.com (Andrew T. Foster) writes: [retraction deleted] ATF> The Epson NX (NOT the Progression) DOES 1120x832 in 16-bit Color. ATF> Yes, you read it correctly. I saw it at the Expo. I was with the ATF> NeXT Engineer when he installed it. It looks and works very well! Why does the June 1st compatibility guide not reflect this? Puzzled in Ann Arbor -- ............................................................................... Gisli Ottarsson Delenda est Carthago. University of Michigan gisli@engin.umich.edu ...............................................................................
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman) Subject: Re: thin ethernet to 10-base-T Message-ID: <1993Jun4.193940.8287@socrates.umd.edu> Organization: University of Maryland University College References: <2C0F9078.1C82@deneva.sdd.trw.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 19:39:40 GMT vail@prev.etdesg.trw.com (Steve Vaillancourt) writes: >Hi. My thin ethernet is going away, to be replaced by 10-base-T. >This is how I currently talk to my Mac. I read the FAQ on thin-->thick >ethernet, and it seems pretty expensive since my NeXT cube is only an '030 >box with monochrome monitor. Is there any other way I can get the NeXT >to talk to my Mac other than upgrading the NeXT's ethernet ? >Any new/cheap ways ? serial ports, etc ? Doesn't have to be high speed; >I just need the connectivity. Sure. What you want is a microtransceiver, also called a "10 base T MAU". It's a small box with a thicknet connector in one end (plugs into your NeXT ethernet port) and a TP connector in the other end (into which you plug the cable going to the TP hub). Prices are in the $50 and up range. Vendors include: Allied Telesis 1-800-424-4284 (CentreCOM AT-MS20T) LDI 1-800-645-0035 (item LD-10T) (there are more vendors, of course, but the above two are the only ones I can give you pointers to off-hand). Expect to pay about $50 for the microtransceiver.
From: semonche@panix.com (Doug Semonche) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: To ADB or not to ADB? Date: 4 Jun 1993 13:59:33 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1uo2i5$8ak@sun.Panix.Com> I am about to join the NeXT community. I have pretty much decided to buy a Turbo Color Station because used equipment is reasonably priced, the 486's arn't really upgradable to Pentium, etc. It appears that I can buy a non-ADB or an ADB system for about the same price. Which would you buy? For that matter it appears that I could buy a Nextdimension Cube for little more. Would the cube be slower than the Turbo? Is its vidio system incompatable in any way with the Turbo or momo-cube? For that matter, does anyone think it is really foolish to buy black hardware now instead of an intel based system?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: Need COMPETENT PC vendor! Message-ID: <1993Jun4.201456.1127@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: LoftTech Incorporated Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 20:14:56 GMT I hate to add to the deluge of NSFIP queries, but here I go anyway. I have called several of the "OEMs" and have been astounded that they are not able to take an order. In particular, DELL sales has no NS on the price list. They did just get today a piece of mail saying "you will get a lot more calls regarding NEXTSTEP...", but it only described hardware (DGX is not on the list, and I was told it was no longer for sale). I called Epson, figuring that with the NeXTWorld ad and good press, they would be able to handle it. But they were just as bad, bumping me to all kinds of different people, until I was given someone who didn't answer their phone. I am stuck there. I just want an NS PC "plug and play" solution. If you can recommend one, please send me email, preferrably with a name and phone number. What a mess. --J Gregory
From: smg@orb.com (S.M. Goldberger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Need to know: How to set up the HP LaserJet 4M??? Date: 4 Jun 1993 06:44:55 GMT Distribution: world Message-ID: <1umr17$c08@nntp.crl.com> References: <1ukh7u$4so@nntp.crl.com> In article <1ukh7u$4so@nntp.crl.com> smg@orb.com (S.M. Goldberger) writes: > Has anyone successfully set up the HP LaserJet 4M on black Next hardware? I > downloaded the PPD from the archives, but am not sure that I have the proper > cable, nor do I know the proper serial port baud rate for best operation. > > My NeXT printer is broken so I really need to know how to proceed! > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > Samuel M. Goldberger smg@orb.com--NeXT Mail OK > Spherical Solutions, 47 Myrtle Avenue, Mill Valley, CA 94941 > 415.380.0383--voice 415.380.0381--fax I solved the problem by building a serial cable based upon the pinouts supplied by HP in their manual. Please note that the LJIII cable *does not work*. In particular, pin 1 from the DIN plug must be connected to pin 6 of the DB25. I used 38500 bps on both sides, and the 600 dpi ppd posted some time ago to the archives (and subsequently removed from cs.orst.edu and sonota for some reason). I find printing speed to be entirely acceptable in initial tests, and print quality to be spectacular. I've also got a Quadra simultaneously connected via the AppleTalk port. The printer switches effortlessly between the two. A very nice piece in my judgement. Joe Bob says "Buy it!". -- Samuel M. Goldberger smg@orb.com--NeXT Mail OK Spherical Solutions, 47 Myrtle Avenue, Mill Valley, CA 94941 415.380.0383--voice 415.380.0381--fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: climpach@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Limpach) Subject: direct CD sound input Message-ID: <1993Jun4.220021.12159@ifi.unizh.ch> Summary: how do you get the data from a cd into your next ??? Keywords: CD sampling DSP Motorola Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 22:00:21 GMT Hi, some time ago, I talked to someone from Motorola about the possibilities to get the digital output from a CD player directly (without D/A and then A/D) into a computer with a Motorola DSP. He told me that Motorola have a chip which seperates the samples from the other informations (time info, title info, etc.) contained in the data stream. Has someone already done this or is there some hardware available ??? Is there some information on how the data must be sent to the DSP so that it will work with existing sampling software ??? christian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@wpa.com (John Bartley) Subject: Wingine availability Message-ID: <1993Jun4.221206.16580@nimno.wpa.com> Sender: john@nimno.wpa.com Organization: Workgroup Productivity Associates Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 22:12:06 GMT Is Wingine technology only available on an OEM basis installed on motherboards, or is it possible to have third party video boards that use Wingine. I'm not really sure how this is being marketed and whether the Epson 1120 x 832 version is something that any Wingine-equipped system could do with a proper driver. Can anyone shed some light on exactly what constitutes Wingine and what the future prospects are? It seems to me that NeXTSTEP in 1280 x 1024 resolution should be the near-term goal, but I don't know how any of the existing systems are going to be able to handle the memory requirements given the current hardware constraints. Tutorial anyone?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu (John L. Burke) Subject: CD-ROM Formats - ISO9660 in particular Message-ID: <1993Jun4.183958.10485@serval.net.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Washington State University Distribution: na Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 18:39:58 GMT Can anyone point me to a document that explains the different CD-ROM formats? ie, block size, directory structure, etc. Does anyone know what format the NeXT CD-ROM 3.0 System comes in? Is it Rockridge? Thanks for any info anyone can provide. -- ********************************************************************* * John Burke * jburke@bodacious.csc.wsu.edu * * Washington State University * NeXTStation Mono * * Systems & Computing * NeXTMail Welcome! * *********************************************************************
From: gwh@cs.mcgill.ca (Gene W HOMICKI) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs Epson Progression NX Date: 5 Jun 1993 00:37:38 GMT Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada Message-ID: <1uopsi$hd8@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> References: <1993Jun4.181246.443@arsenal.com> <GISLI.93Jun4150502@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Just for everyone's info: The native NeXT resolution driver was completed while NeXTWORLD Expo was in progress, so I'm sure NeXT did not have the time to update the Compatibility Guide. Hope this clears things up... --Gene ------------------------------------------------------------------------- School of Computer Science Gene W. Homicki McGill University gwh@elric.cs.mcgill.ca Montreal PQ Canada NeXTmail accepted
From: hugh@ear.mit.edu (Hugh Secker-Walker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Priam drive for NeXTstation Date: 4 Jun 93 23:52:21 Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <HUGH.93Jun4235221@ear.mit.edu> I am considering buying a used used Priam disk drive for my NeXTstation. I have received the following offer: Also, I'm selling a Priam full height SCSI hard drive, 330MB, 20ms avg. access time, about 2-3 years old. Asking $330 ($1/meg), but will consider reasonable offers. The drive should work on PC's, Macs, and workstations (anything that uses SCSI). The Priam is a model #738 with 1225 cyl., 15 heads, and 36 sectors; and yes it is a SCSI-1. I've had no problems with it since I bought it about 6 months ago, other than being a bit loud at times. Since I bought it used myself, I can't really estimate how many hours it's been used, but I've been using it about 20 hrs/week since I've gotten it. Has anyone out there had any experience with this drive on a NeXTstation? Any suggestions or comments will be appreciated. Email me, I'll summarize. Thanks in advance. Hugh -- Hugh Secker-Walker hugh@mit.edu MIT, Research Lab of Electronics hugh@hodain.ci.net (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: steve@eps.com Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs Epson Progression NX Message-ID: <netnewsC84xss.HzI@netcom.com> Sender: netnews@netcom.com (USENET Administration) Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Jun4.181246.443@arsenal.com> <GISLI.93Jun4150502@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> <1uopsi$hd8@homer.cs.mcgill.ca> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 06:24:27 GMT I hope the Profeesional GX supports 1100x832 soon. If epson can do it why can't INTEL do it. They both have 2 meg vram. And I would have to mention I am running a GX right now at 1024x768 not bad but the higher res would be nice. And at my supprise, I did notice at the show that the epson box did show faster screen draw capabitlity, but I still think the GX is a better box -steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: loaner!m (M Carling) Subject: Re: Dell and NeXTSTEP 3.1 Message-ID: <1993Jun4.172801.2653@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1993Jun4.014654.20914@nosc.mil> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 17:28:01 GMT In article <1993Jun4.014654.20914@nosc.mil> bell@nosc.mil (Tom Bell) writes: > Has anyone sucessfully installed NeXTSTEP 3.1 on a Dell DGX machine with a DPT > SCSI adapter? When using the DPT card you need to be very careful about cabling. If you run an unshielded SCSI cable near the power supply or video circuitry, you may have problems. Try getting a top quality cable. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: loaner!m (M Carling) Subject: Re: Film Recorder? Message-ID: <1993Jun4.173059.2718@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1uj26dINN1av@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 17:30:59 GMT In article <1uj26dINN1av@news.u.washington.edu> dadler@u.washington.edu (David A. Adler) writes: > I am looking for a device that will make 35mm slides from NeXT apps like > Virtuoso, Illustrator, PasteUp, etc. Talus sells a film recorder with software called ImageMate. It is the only shipping NEXTSTEP software of which I know that has never had a bug reported against it. Try info@talus.msk.su. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Date: 5 Jun 1993 15:30:15 GMT Organization: The University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <1uqe67$t6b@ni.umd.edu> References: <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <C81wq1.1nE@chinet.chinet.com> <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe In article <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >The problem is, however, that our users would be tempted to use the tape >for more loads/unloads (more "compressed" files on one tape). In addition >the drives with compression cost more that the others. This is the first time I've heard of when having a large capacity drive is a *disadvantage* rather than a feature. If you are really concerned about the impact of a single media failure on your saved data, perhaps you should backup to floppy disks to minimize your opportunity for data loss. Or you could just alternate media like the rest of us do. The difference in cost between DAT drives with compression and those without these days is on the order of $100 - $150, just looking at magazine ads. If you havea bunch 'o data, it makes sense to get the drive with compression. Louis Mamakos
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs. Epson Progression NX Message-ID: <1993Jun5.124014.358@imani.cam.org> Date: 5 Jun 93 12:40:14 GMT References: <1umnth$bde@agate.berkeley.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1umnth$bde@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > In article <1993Jun03.195225.13004@rchland.ibm.com> tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) writes: > >I was at the NeXTWORLD EXPO, and I had the fortune to be able to > >testdrive the Epson Progression NX machine. > > > >The Video on the Epson was quite good. It supported the original NeXT > >resolution of 1120x832. (This made be happy!) Moreso, it passed my > > Was it really 1120x832? Hardware Compatibility Guide from > nextanswers@next.com dated June 1, 1993 says Prograssion NX > supports 1024x768 with 2MB VRAM. > And the only 1120x832 machine listed is DELL DGX. > > So? Really, what other configs support 1120x832 or higher? June 1st Compatibility guide: Compaq QVision1280/E supports 1280x1024 at 8bits per pixel! 8^> ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Check it out!!! (No color yet, but...) Ciao > I don't want to lose any screen real estate when moving to Intel, > so this is important to me. > > -- > Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] > USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 > Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 > Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK) -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
From: bozcaada@athena.mit.edu (Tolga J Erdogus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: NeXT Cube for sale... Date: 5 Jun 1993 16:26:50 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uqhgaINN8mm@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Cube with brand new 040 board, brand new Canon 256 MB Optical drive, monochrome monitor, 16 MB RAM, Laser Printer (400 dpi), keyboard+mouse+mouse pad+wrist rest+mouse rest, ZyXell 14.4 K bps fax modem+licenced NXFax. NO HARD DRIVE... First to offer $1,500(beyond shipping and handling) gets it. Tolga Erdogus bozcaada@athena.mit.edu (617) 225-7275
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: direct CD sound input Message-ID: <C84xqJ.nq@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun4.220021.12159@ifi.unizh.ch> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 06:23:07 GMT In article <1993Jun4.220021.12159@ifi.unizh.ch> climpach@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Limpach) writes: # #Hi, # #some time ago, I talked to someone from Motorola about the possibilities #to get the digital output from a CD player directly (without D/A and then #A/D) into a computer with a Motorola DSP. He told me that Motorola have a #chip which seperates the samples from the other informations (time info, #title info, etc.) contained in the data stream. Explain a little more. Does the CD player have a digital output? If so then Crystal makes a chip to do what you want. Also there is a nice device about to hit the market called MaxAudio that will do A/D, D/A and digital I/O and some other stuff. # #Has someone already done this or is there some hardware available ??? Is #there some information on how the data must be sent to the DSP so that it #will work with existing sampling software ??? THe documentation is scarce but I designed a device but bougth a MaxAudio interface because it does VITC, LTC, MTC, and some other stuff. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Message-ID: <1993Jun4.145146.7974@investor.pgh.pa.us> Date: 4 Jun 93 14:51:46 GMT References: <1993May27.132300.2979@nomina.lu.se> <1993May27.202928.29397@resonex.com> <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA In article <1993Jun2.143556.19519@sci34hub.sci.com> gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes: >In article <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >>No, this is not a question of a contents on the tape. Resonex (where I work) >>is using DATs more than 2 years now and there are problems from time to time >>with damaged DAT cassettes (I mean: after certain period of successful appends >>and reads, suddenly you get media error at the beginning of the tape, and you >>cannot read any file anymore). > >This sounds more like a software problem--when you append, it writes a >new header at the beginning of the tape. If the write isn't done properly, >you get garbage, and suddenly everything is gone. > >I have never trusted appending to a tape for this reason; if I have a >short dump, it still goes on an individual tape. Easier to track, easier >to handle, less probability of data corruption, and much less data at >stake--if one tape fails, you don't lose everything. More than likely it is tape wear rather than soft ware. If every time you read/write/append the drive must hit the same block you are going to accelerate the wear on that block. One of my major complaints about tape drives (We use QIC at work. I still use OD at home.) is both the tape and the head are subject to wear. I particularly hate having to replace a drive when the head wears out, but I don't know anybody who can replace a head for less. -- Bob Peirce, Pittsburgh, PA rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us 412-471-5320 venetia@investor.pgh.pa.us [NeXT Mail] !uunet.uu.net!pitt!investor!rbp [UUCP]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: climpach@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Limpach) Subject: Re: direct CD sound input Message-ID: <1993Jun5.190005.3613@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <C84xqJ.nq@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 19:00:05 GMT kent@infoserv.com writes: : Explain a little more. Does the CD player have a digital output? : If so then Crystal makes a chip to do what you want. Also there is a nice : device about to hit the market called MaxAudio that will do A/D, D/A and : digital I/O and some other stuff. yes, the CD player has a digital output. It's an older CD player, so it has no optical output, but a digital one. The motorola guy told me that they had such a chip, what I am looking for is either a connection sheme or a device, which does what I want. I do not need A/D, D/A but only splitting up of the CD player output to a sample stream which can be fed into the NeXT's DSP port. : THe documentation is scarce but I designed a device but bougth a MaxAudio : interface because it does VITC, LTC, MTC, and some other stuff. what documentation do you have ??? I am looking for everything I can find about this. btw, what is VITC, LTC, MTC ??? christian
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: andy@philo.mcgill.ca(Andrew Burday) Subject: Optical Disc won't eject w/ hardware password (32 lines) Message-ID: <1993Jun5.205941.2360@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: McGill University Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 20:59:41 GMT The internal optical disk drive of an 040 cube that I am responsible for is behaving oddly. I've been through the FAQ's, NextAnswers, and all the f-ing manuals I can find, with no luck. I hope somebody can help me out with this. The machine is non-turbo (25MHz) and runs NS3.0. I have a hardware password set, and od ejection is set to require the password. Once I manually mount the od, I have no problem with it ejecting when I don't want it to. The problem is that it will not eject when I do want it to. If I exit to the ROM monitor and type 'eo' or 'ej', it prompts me for my password. I enter the password, and... nothing. I just get a new NeXT> prompt. If I retype the command, I am not prompted for the pw, and it still does nothing. The only way to eject the od at this point is to reboot the system. WS Manager then automatically mounts the od, and the next user to log in can eject it. I have tried this several times, typing the password very carefully. Of course, rebooting requires that I enter the password as well. I have not simply forgotten or mis-typed the pw. If anybody has a diagnosis, I'd appreciate either a post or a personal response. I don't know that this is a hardware problem, so forgive me if this is the wrong group. The machine was bought used, and was very dusty when we got it. I gather that the od drives are sensitive to dust. Also, at one point when I turned the machine off and back on (with a disk in the drive -- I know, bad idea), the odd refused to come up, causing a panic. So my best guess is that it's a hardware problem. Thanks for your time. Andrew Burday andy@philo.mcgill.ca
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Fujitsu 128MB MO vs NeXT hardware - The story so far... Date: 5 Jun 1993 22:42:22 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1ur7ge$qg4@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1ugr69$639@usenet.rpi.edu> In an earlier article, I wrote: > Back on May 26th, toad@toadstool.UUCP (Kevin Cheek) wrote: > > I am having trouble getting a Fujitsu 3.5" 128MB MO (M2511A) to work > > with my Mono 040 slab. [...] > > I just bought a similar drive from Mac Direct, and my 040 NeXTstation > (running NS3.0) can't seem to work with it. Does anyone have one of > these Fujitsu mechanism MO drives working on their NeXT? All the messages sent to me so far indicate that no one else has it working on NeXT hardware either. However, there is one bit of encouraging news. One person said: >| The bottom line is that it just doesn't work with NeXT >| hardware. (It does, however, just "plug and play" with Intel >| hardware running NeXTSTEP!) It occurs to me that any Intel hardware is really running version 3.1 of NeXTSTEP. So my hope is that the problem is fixed in NS3.1, and that it will work on NeXT hardware once we have that release running on NeXT hardware. Does anyone have a beta version of NS3.1-Motorola and a Fujitsu MO drive available to test out my theory? -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Zoom fax modems Message-ID: <C865H0.Gz5@eis.calstate.edu> From: jmiller@eis.calstate.edu (John Miller) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 22:07:48 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services Has anyone plugged a Zoom fax modem VFX into their NeXTstation, and if so, how well did it work? I'm ready to upgrade to a 14,400 machine and was considering the Zyxel U1496E but the Zoom is $100 cheaper. This is for home use, so I don't expect to send or receive many faxes, but I use the data aspect every day. Any thoughts, opinions, or experiences regarding this matter are welcome. Thanks! John Miller
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: swillden@fcom.cc.utah.edu (Shawn Willden) Subject: Questions about HD's, memory and power off problem. Message-ID: <1993Jun5.235755.29469@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Sender: news@fcom.cc.utah.edu Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 23:57:55 GMT Several questions: 1) I just bought a new HD for my NeXTStation. I have successfully installed the OS on it and everything, and can use it alongside my old one, but I can't get my machine to boot from it. When I set the new HD to SCSI ID 0, the boot process hangs waiting for the drive to respond. The drive is a Maxtor LP535SY and is the PC version of the drive (as opposed to the Mac version). Do I need the Mac version? 2) I want to put some more memory into my station (I have only the 8 megs that came will all Mono 25's). What are the requirements? I know that I need 100ns (or faster) low-profile SIMMS but does it matter whether or not they have parity chips? 3) My machine just recently started acting strangely on power-down -- it often powers right back up as soon as it's down. Anyone seen this problem? 4) Questions 1 & 2 have to be FAQs. Is there a FAQ list for this group? Shawn. -- Shawn Willden swillden@icarus.weber.edu
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: direct CD sound input Date: 6 Jun 1993 00:27:33 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: na Message-ID: <1urdllINN6f9@gap.caltech.edu> References: <C84xqJ.nq@infoserv.com> <1993Jun5.190005.3613@ifi.unizh.ch> The Motorola chip, according to a preliminary data sheet I have, is called the AES/EBU/CP-340 Digital Audio Transceiver. It is essentially a one-chip solution, since it is designed to interface directly with the 56001's serial lines, which are brought out to a connector on the NeXT. It says it has "multiple" AES/EBU inputs, and implements all features of AES/EBU/CP-340 digital audio standard. The sheet is so preliminary, it doesn't even have a pinout, but it does say it will come in a 64-pin subface mount package. It would appear that the receiver and transmitter can work at the same time. You might try the DSP Applications Hotline, (512)891-3230 to see if this chip is real yet. mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlc@cx5.com Subject: Just when HSD dissappears, ...help needed. Message-ID: <1993Jun6.020413.164@cx5.com> Sender: tlc@cx5.com Organization: CX5 (San Francisco) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 02:04:13 GMT If someone can help over the weekend: For some reason I'm getting the error message: "Cannot communicate with scanner" when I launch PowerScan for the HSD scanner. I've tried: 1. connecting it directly to the NeXT's SCSI port (previously daisy chained through an external floppy drive) 2. rebooting 3. power up/down 4. turn on before and after computer I tried calling HSD at their new area code 408 number. No answer (I assume it's because it's the weekend). If anybody can think of a fix, or things to do/try, please drop me a line. Thanks, Thierry Castro tlc@cx5.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: direct CD sound input In-Reply-To: climpach@avalon.physik.unizh.ch's message of Fri, 4 Jun 1993 22:00:21 GMT Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jun5012542@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Jun4.220021.12159@ifi.unizh.ch> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 06:25:42 GMT In article <1993Jun4.220021.12159@ifi.unizh.ch> climpach@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Limpach) writes: some time ago, I talked to someone from Motorola about the possibilities to get the digital output from a CD player directly (without D/A and then A/D) into a computer with a Motorola DSP. He told me that Motorola have a chip which seperates the samples from the other informations (time info, title info, etc.) contained in the data stream. Has someone already done this or is there some hardware available ??? Is there some information on how the data must be sent to the DSP so that it will work with existing sampling software ??? All you need is a proper CD ROM drive and a little driver. No DSP, sampling or special hardware required. The Toshiba 3401 for example has the ability to read digital audio directly off standard audio CDs and transmit the data (which, BTW, is in a very straightforward format) digitally over the SCSI bus. I've written a driver which takes advantage of this capability to play audio CDs quite nicely over the NeXT audio system. Saving the audio data in a standard format would be even easier. Reputedly the NEC [78]4-1 and Texel drives with the latest firmware also have this capability (though they would in all likelihood need different drivers). Carl Edman (Back on the net after two weeks of broken hardware and currently testing his luck by posting using GNUS 3.15 under Emacs 19.12)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: juan@apple.com (Juan Pineda) Subject: Help! Dim monitor problems... Message-ID: <1993Jun6.045847.4710@logician.com> Sender: juan@logician.com Organization: logician.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 04:58:47 GMT Hi, Help! The B&W monitor on my NeXT cube has recently become very dim. Apparently there was a recall for this problem a few years ago. Unfortunately, I bought my '030 Cube at the Business Land fire sale, so it came without a warrantee. Questions: Is there a fix for the problem? Will the monitor die, get worse, or will it just remain at the current low brightness level? What is the source of the problem, i.e. a power transistor in the high voltage supply? Is there a source for inexpensive replacement monitors (<$200). Any help would be greatly appreciated, Juan Pineda
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Help - Installing Sound card on Gateway Message-ID: <1993Jun6.061604.2159@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 06:16:04 GMT I'm trying to install a MediaVision (Pro Audio Spectrum 16) sound card on a Gateway (the Gateway2000-66V machine which is listed in the NeXT compatibility guide). I have successfully gotten (is that a word?) 3.1 to run without the sound card - so no problems in general with NeXTStep, just with the card. When I put the card in, using the provided install utility under DOS has some problems - I can't configure the DMA channel and Interrupt line (you do it via software that talks to the card rather than hardware jumpers) to what the NeXT configure.app shows as the only available combinations - I can get DMA channel 3 (ISA unfortunately limits to DMA channels <=4 for 8 bit), but I can't get interrupt line 7 or 15 (the only ones free as shown by configure.app) Consequently, I can't even get NeXTStep to boot with the card installed, I get "rdp exception something-or-other" which is real nasty, since it has to go through a fsck next time I boot it - kind of makes me lose my enthusiasm for experimenting, since each wrong guess results in about 10 minutes of rebooting the machine. Has anybody done this successfully (experience on a non-gateway as long as it is ISA and the same Sound card will probably be of value) Thanks in Advance, -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: captain@arsenal.com (Andrew T. Foster) Subject: Re: Wingine Availability - Whats new in NS/Intel Land! Message-ID: <1993Jun6.103625.1277@arsenal.com> Sender: captain@arsenal.com Organization: The Arsenal BBS Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 10:36:25 GMT In comp.sys.next.hardware article <1993Jun4.221206.16580@nimno.wpa.com> you wrote: > Is Wingine technology only available on an OEM basis installed on > motherboards, or is it possible to have third party video boards > Tutorial anyone? Howdy, Yes! Unfortunatly, there is only ONE THIRD PARTY motherboard and video card that supports the Wingine. However, they both suck. In fact, both EPSON's only have a few ISA slots. No VESA. No EISA. The Adaptec 1542-B controller can not handle over three SCSI devices. Today I was crashing the Workspace Manager left and right by just copying a file between two hard disks and moving the windows around fast. Lovely! I guess I'll have to find a motherboard with EISA so the DTP SCSI card can be used. I also found that when you attempt to install a package file from the bootable disk while you have two hard disks, it goes _really slow_. When I took the external disk off, walla! It went fast again and installed quickly. So much for more than one SCSI disk... until September. Also, 24-bit video is not supported! A vendor I work for was working on a 24-bit driver and they got half-way through and found that NeXTSTEP 3.1's 24-bit is _turned off_. Apparently, they had trouble with it so they turned it off. <aiee> So much for publishing and photorealistic image editing ... until September. Good news on Lucky Goldstar. Apparently, if they get people to commit to orders, they will redesign their motherboards for EISA/VESA, etc. Apparently they do the construction/development right in Freemont! They also utilize a Wingine. It should be a real zippy machine... until September. What does this mean? It means that video performance and driver availability should be great... by September! When the _real_ version of NS/Intel is released. So buy your copies now and get that _free_ upgrade to 3.2. In Sept! Finally, if you are a third-party developer trying to develop a driver, forget it! I chatted with a nice fellow from Pencom tonight. Apparently, _good_ documentation of the matter of writing drivers does not exist. Pencom did write the Driverkit. So, in fairness, they wanted buisness and they certainly got it. <whisper MONOPOLY> So if you have $7,000 for a prototype driver and $35,000 for a complete one, you are all set. Other than that, you'll have to wait for NeXT or Pencom to write the driver for whatever you need. Unless you can hack how the things are written. The vendor I contractfor was hacking away on a 24-bit video driver, until they found out that there was no 24-bit video support. So maybe in September, there will be some good docs! Well, I now have to shut my old trusty NeXTmachine down and move to the 486. Does UUCP work? The guys at Software Ventures and Zion Software said that the Serial ports were screwed up. Heh! Maybe I won't be using UUCP and posting... until September. All flames from Pencom and NeXT please forward to /alt/dev/null. - C --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) EAT-FOOD - FAX:(608) xxx-xxxx Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew T. Foster - (608) 251-5522 - FAX:(608) 251-5727 Knight Enterprises - Captain@Arsenal.com - NeXTMail YES! Call the Arsenal! - (608) 251-5565 v.32bis - (608) 251-5650 v32.bis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: (slugg jello) Subject: VESA LocalBus vs LocalBus Message-ID: <1993Jun6.032749.7473@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 03:27:49 GMT Anybody know the difference between VESA Standard LocalBus and plain-old LocalBus? These types of hardware architectures are relevant to NSI hardware bus to device interfaces. What are the implications of these two on price and performance of NSI? Thanks! -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy From: chris@iastate.edu (Chris Wong) Subject: Re: Wanted: your experiences putting together a Nexstep/Intel system Message-ID: <chris.739386130@vincent1.iastate.edu> Sender: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA References: <1993Jun2.223906.29146@cs.cornell.edu> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 17:02:10 GMT In <1993Jun2.223906.29146@cs.cornell.edu> bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) writes: >If you have had any success putting together a Nexstep/Intel system, >I'd be interested in the hardware that you use, the amount it costs, >and the kind of performance you get. Email to be at bau@cs.cornell.edu >and if I get any useful information, I will post to summarize. >I'm particularly interested in anybody who is successuflly running >unbundled Nextstep on a fast PC clone. >David >bau@cs.cornell.edu An Zeos 486/33 8M ram ISA system with 124M HD using ET-4000 chipsets video card running at 1024x768 in 2-bit grayscale seems pretty good to me. I have upgrade from 8M ram to 32M ram in order to get a faster respone and develop apps. You don't need 330M HD space to install the Developer tools. You don't need to install all to the HD. You can leave the doc. in the CD-ROM and symbolic link to the directory on the CD-ROM. However, having a bigger HD can save you troubles. -- Chris Wong | "PC suck? Yeah, I know, but NeXT has closes it's hard | line. chris@iastate.edu | Computer Engineering & Computer Science twba8@isuvax.iastate.edu | Iowa State University of Science and Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: NeXT CD-ROM Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun06.192408.10675@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1993 19:24:08 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <5uaL5B5w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <5uaL5B5w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca>, g3steen@sms.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) writes: |> Since I am probably going to be buying the NeXTstep 3.1 upgrade |> educational package, I find myself in need of a CD-ROM player. I don't |> really know anything about format and compatability questions (I understand |> the technology though) unfortunately. |> I want to know which CD-ROM player I shold buy. If I buy the NeXT CD-ROM |> player, can I hook it up to an IBM and read IBM sotware CD's? Do I have to |> consider data formats, or drivers? Also, how can I leave myself open to using |> Photo CD's inthe future? Thanks. |> |> |> g3steen@sms.business.uwo.ca (Garnet Steen) |> Western Business School -- London, Ontario I bought the NEC 74 Multispin CD-ROM drive. It's a pretty nice drive and the speed increase is great! The installation docs indicate 3-4 hours for installation. It took me just under 90 minutes, and I installed everything short of the languages short of English. It handles everything you'll ever want to read off of CD-ROM. It even will read Kodak PhotoCDs so with the support for that in NeXTSTEP you'll actually be able to use it. It has a SCSI1 or SCSI-2 dip switch on the drive. Also has a termination dip switch as well. The drive I bought is an external one, there is an internal version which might suite your needs better. Tom Gall IBM Rochester #include <std.disclaimer> gyspy!servo@csn.org (NeXTMail OK) tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (NeXTMail NOT OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Gateway 2000 installation Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun06.193159.20278@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1993 19:31:59 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Organization: IBM Rochester Greetings all, Well I ended up not being able to install on my Gateway, tho I did borrow for a week a 486 50 no name clone which I was able to successfully install on. (On a Datastor machine to be exact. Local bus, 1542B Adaptec SCSI, 8 Meg memory ) I moved my cards from my Gateway machine over to the Datastor to try them out and everything ran just fine. So by the looks of it, if you have a Gateway 486 machine with Phoenix v0.10 G17-2 BIOS, you WILL not be able to install NeXTSTEP/Intel. 8-( This is an ISA machine about 1.5 years old now....and DOES NOT reflect on current Gateway hardware which DOES just FINE. Gateway does offer a BIOS upgrade, but I am going to forgo this for now as I am going to shop for a new machine instead. (Might as well get something that can do color etc..) Thanks for all the help I received from the net. Much appreciated! For now I guess it's back to dreaming about running NeXTSTEP.......<sigh> Tom Gall IBM Rochester #include <std.disclaimer> gypsy!servo@csn.org (NeXTMail ok) tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (NeXTMail NOT ok)
From: eike@cs.tu-berlin.de (Eike Dierks) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: sticky space bar Date: 6 Jun 1993 20:02:20 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <1utigc$sgq@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1srcqb$3ph@tamsun.tamu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit colin@snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen) writes: > Has anyone else had trouble with a sticky space bar on an old > style keyboard? Mine's just less than 3 years old and is > intermittently sticking down. Is there an easy fix? > We've also had this problem. In our case the problem was found inside the switch. To fix: open up the keyboard and remove the space bar. Carefully open up the switch. Don't break it. Remeber (or better mark) the way it was assembled. Take care that the spring inside doesn't get lost. The problem seems to be with the spring. The spring usually sits on a small notch. In our case it went off the notch so that it didn't have enough power to lift up the space bar. You can test this (before opening the switch) by pressing it many times. When it sometimes gets stuck, then this is your problem. Reassemble the switch (it's not easy but it's possible. The greatest danger is that of loosing the spring...). Reassemble the keyboard and voila, there you are Disclaimer: No warranty etc...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993Jun6.165523.20331@resonex.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Organization: Resonex Inc., Fremont CA References: <C81wq1.1nE@chinet.chinet.com> <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> <1uqe67$t6b@ni.umd.edu> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 16:55:23 GMT In article <1uqe67$t6b@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >In article <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: > >>The problem is, however, that our users would be tempted to use the tape >>for more loads/unloads (more "compressed" files on one tape). In addition >>the drives with compression cost more that the others. > >This is the first time I've heard of when having a large capacity >drive is a *disadvantage* rather than a feature. If you are really >concerned about the impact of a single media failure on your saved >data, perhaps you should backup to floppy disks to minimize your >opportunity for data loss. Or you could just alternate media like the >rest of us do. The first proposal is quite interesting :) The second one is however precisely what I want to say: do not save too much to one media. > >The difference in cost between DAT drives with compression and those >without these days is on the order of $100 - $150, just looking at >magazine ads. Which makes for more than 10 additional cassetes. >If you havea bunch 'o data, it makes sense to get the >drive with compression. If you mean that you backup at once a system with, say, 2 Gig then of course you are right. But if the system disk space is smaller, it is safer to make one backup on a tape, or at least not *too many* backups thanks to compression. Your opinion may vary. I say, that we have about 20 customers using DAT and some of them are using DATs for more than 2 years, storing daily up to 200 Mb. From time to time it happens, that some DAT cassettes turn to be unreadable. The customers DO NOT reuse the cassettes (I mean: they only append until the tape is full). ALL the failures had happen, when the cassette was almost full (i.e. after 2-3 weaks of using it). There is NO AVAILABLE utility in the world allowing recovery of data from DAT cassette after it behaves as having EOD at the beginning. Draw conclusions by yourself. I agree, that many of you may have better opinions about DAT. Especially, when you don't use so many cassettes. The experiences I am talking about happened, say, 5 cassettes from (about) 600 used. I am switching to e-mail discussion, if anybody wants to continue. > >Louis Mamakos Zenon.
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HP Series II to NeXT 030 Cube Date: 6 Jun 1993 21:57:26 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University Sender: daemon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Message-ID: <9306070156.AA18915@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hello! I've been having some strange and inexplicable problems with my NeXT laser printer ever since I bought a second-hand NeXT Cube about a year ago. I've just upgraded to 3.0, and I was hoping that would solve the problems. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have helped. Now that I've got the machine upgraded to a truly workable environment, I'm planning on making it my permanent working machine. But if that's the case, I'd rather not have to upload files to my CIS account all the time to get printouts. I have an HP LaserJet Series II printer, and I've heard that one can connect other laser printers such as HPs to the NeXT with a modicum of fiddling. I know, for example, that I'll need a new kind of cable. What else is required to make this work? Do I need a PostScript cartridge for the HP? Do I need additional software on the NeXT? What am I looking at here? As always, any help is greatly appreciated. Joe -- __________ | jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Dr. Sam Beckett put things right that once went wrong. `---- | You can do the same. Help bring back Quantum Leap!!!
From: starta@tosh.UUCP (John Starta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: What Hardware? Keywords: next intel configuration recommendation needed Message-ID: <0NhEsANKBh107h@tosh.UUCP> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 93 11:55:32 -0700 Organization: GO SUNS! Is there is a list of hardware recommended for running NeXTSTEP for Intel? Perhaps those of you running NSI could send me a description of what your configurations look like? john -- *** PHOENIX SUNS * 1993 WESTERN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS * PHOENIX SUNS ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Priam drive for NeXTstation Message-ID: <C87np0.3Aw@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <HUGH.93Jun4235221@ear.mit.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 17:38:59 GMT In article <HUGH.93Jun4235221@ear.mit.edu> hugh@ear.mit.edu (Hugh Secker-Walker) writes: #I am considering buying a used used Priam disk drive for my #NeXTstation. I have received the following offer: # # Also, I'm selling a Priam full height SCSI hard drive, 330MB, 20ms avg. # access time, about 2-3 years old. Asking $330 ($1/meg), but will # consider reasonable offers. The drive should work on PC's, Macs, and # workstations (anything that uses SCSI). # # The Priam is a model #738 with 1225 cyl., 15 heads, and 36 sectors; and # yes it is a SCSI-1. #Has anyone out there had any experience with this drive on a #NeXTstation? Any suggestions or comments will be appreciated. I've had experience with this drive on a cube. The one I had hated being on the bus with *ANY* other device. I tried it with a CD-ROM, Maxtor 213, Quantum 105, and it refude to work with any of them. Also that price is kind of high. A place called the Disk Drive Depot, a division of CSC located in Sunnyvale Ca. has refurbished CDC 94171-307 310 MB drives selling for $289. They also have refurbished Maxtor 8760SR for $595. The Maxtor is 660MB. The refurbished drives come with a 1 year warranty. disk Drive Depot can be reached at (408)738-3895. Kent Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: direct CD sound input Message-ID: <C87oBz.3D5@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun5.190005.3613@ifi.unizh.ch> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 17:52:46 GMT In article <1993Jun5.190005.3613@ifi.unizh.ch> climpach@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Christian Limpach) writes: #kent@infoserv.com writes: #yes, the CD player has a digital output. It's an older CD player, so it #has no optical output, but a digital one. The motorola guy told me that #they had such a chip, what I am looking for is either a connection sheme #or a device, which does what I want. I do not need A/D, D/A but only #splitting up of the CD player output to a sample stream which can be fed #into the NeXT's DSP port. # #: THe documentation is scarce but I designed a device but bougth a MaxAudio #: interface because it does VITC, LTC, MTC, and some other stuff. # #what documentation do you have ??? I am looking for everything I can find #about this. btw, what is VITC, LTC, MTC ??? VITC - Video Time Code LTC - Linear Time Code MTC - Midi Time Code The best part to use to get the data into the NeXT DSP is the Crystal Semiconductor part. The number is CS8412 AES/EBU and S/PDIF reciever. It has a mode compatible with the 56000 DSP. Normally on the NeXT the DSP is set up in network mode when recording. it's set up for 16 bit words with bit sync. This means that you have to gate the bit clock (usually a no-no) to the DSP. The reason is that the device will put out 16 bits of data then 16 bits of zero. Since the 56K is using bit sync it will take the data that occurs with the first 32 clock pulses after the leading edge of the frame sync signal. This situation will only give you one channel of valid data. So to avoid this situation you supress the bit clock for the next 16 clock pulses after the 16 that correspond to data. This is easy to do since all it takes is one extra gate in the overall design. The CS8412 will recover the clock from the data stream so you don't need an external crystal to generate the 56K clock because the recovered clock is available on a pin of the 8412. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Questions about HD's, memory and power off problem. Message-ID: <C87oqK.3F3@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun5.235755.29469@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 18:01:31 GMT In article <1993Jun5.235755.29469@fcom.cc.utah.edu> swillden@fcom.cc.utah.edu (Shawn Willden) writes: #Several questions: # # 1) I just bought a new HD for my NeXTStation. I have # successfully installed the OS on it and everything, and # can use it alongside my old one, but I can't get my # machine to boot from it. When I set the new HD to SCSI # ID 0, the boot process hangs waiting for the drive to # respond. The drive is a Maxtor LP535SY and is the PC # version of the drive (as opposed to the Mac version). # Do I need the Mac version? I don't think you need the Mac version. The PC version should be more generic. Do you have the drive set to spin up on power up or on the start command. Set it for spin up when the slab is powered up. The jumper for this should be in you manual. # # 2) I want to put some more memory into my station (I have # only the 8 megs that came will all Mono 25's). What # are the requirements? I know that I need 100ns (or faster) # low-profile SIMMS but does it matter whether or not they # have parity chips? No. By looking further in your post I can tell you have a machine that has a higer version of the ROM than 2.2. Mac or PC SIMMS will work. Not sure if the 2 chip (1x8) or 3 chip (1x9) SIMMS will work on a NeXT so get 1x8 (8 chip) or 1x9 (9 chip) SIMMS. # # 3) My machine just recently started acting strangely on # power-down -- it often powers right back up as soon as # it's down. Anyone seen this problem? Yep. Your preferences are screwed up. Later machines had a feature that would allow them to power up automatically. Log in as root ad look at POWER under preferences. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: Help! Dim monitor problems... Message-ID: <C87oxJ.3GA@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun6.045847.4710@logician.com> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 18:05:43 GMT In article <1993Jun6.045847.4710@logician.com> juan@apple.com (Juan Pineda) writes: #Hi, # #Help! The B&W monitor on my NeXT cube has recently become very dim. # #Apparently there was a recall for this problem a few years ago. Unfortunately, #I bought my '030 Cube at the Business Land fire sale, so it came without a #warrantee. That didn't matter. Mine came w/out a warranty and they replaced it for free. My cube came from B'land also. If the service contractor is still doing the fix you should be able to have it done for free. # #Questions: Is there a fix for the problem? Will the monitor die, get worse, or #will it just remain at the current low brightness level? What is the source of #the problem, i.e. a power transistor in the high voltage supply? Is there a #source for inexpensive replacement monitors (<$200). Don't know if it will get worse or not but you can always take the back off and turn the brightness up. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: kucerarj@kucerarj.test.rose-hulman.edu (Ryan J Kucera) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: flow-control Date: 7 Jun 1993 05:59:23 GMT Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Distribution: world Message-ID: <1uulfrINNms9@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> I have a turbo 040 cube and a ZyXEL E+ modem. I bought a cable from NeXT Connection but I can't seem to get hardware flow-control to work. I'm using port A with flow-control and I've got the modem set up for flow control. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Ryan Kucera kucerarj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: nestler@infotech.tu-chemnitz.de (Karl Nestler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: erase-protection-bit in GAL-ic Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 06:29:17 GMT Organization: University of Technology Chemnitz, FRG Message-ID: <nestler.3@infotech.tu-chemnitz.de> Who can help me? I've been looking for a way to read the erase-protection-bit (I hope that the name is o.k.) in GAL-ic. I want to copy one of this GAL, but this bit don't allows it. How can i change this bit, or what must I do, that I can copy that GAL? Anyone told me that this bit shold be in all GAL-famalie the same!?! Thanks Karl Karl.Nestler@infotech.tu-chemnitz.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: Wingine Availability - Whats new in NS/Intel Land! Message-ID: <bchin.739386003@nextsrv1> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <1993Jun6.103625.1277@arsenal.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1993 17:00:03 GMT captain@arsenal.com (Andrew T. Foster) writes: >In comp.sys.next.hardware article <1993Jun4.221206.16580@nimno.wpa.com> >you wrote: >> Is Wingine technology only available on an OEM basis installed on >> motherboards, or is it possible to have third party video boards >> Tutorial anyone? > Howdy, > Yes! Unfortunatly, there is only ONE THIRD PARTY motherboard >and video card that supports the Wingine. However, they both suck. >In fact, both EPSON's only have a few ISA slots. No VESA. No EISA. >The Adaptec 1542-B controller can not handle over three SCSI devices. >Today I was crashing the Workspace Manager left and right by >just copying a file between two hard disks and moving the >windows around fast. Lovely! I guess I'll have to find a motherboard >with EISA so the DTP SCSI card can be used. I also found that >when you attempt to install a package file from the bootable disk >while you have two hard disks, it goes _really slow_. When I took the >external disk off, walla! It went fast again and installed quickly. >So much for more than one SCSI disk... until September. Unfortunately, we've only tested the Epson with one hard drive and one CD-ROM drive running at one time so far. When we get some more equipment back from NWE, I'll run some more tests on the Epson we have here. However with that combo, I've seen no such problems. > Good news on Lucky Goldstar. Apparently, if they get people >to commit to orders, they will redesign their motherboards for >EISA/VESA, etc. Apparently they do the construction/development >right in Freemont! They also utilize a Wingine. It should be >a real zippy machine... until September. The current Lucky Goldstar machine that they are pushing for NS/I has a specially modified VL-Bus slot for a Wingine card and a second "normal" VL-Bus slot. They do make their machines/ develop their designs right in Fremont (I visited the factory during NWE). A slightly newer version of the machine also has a ZIF CPU socket that can take a P24T. This is a nice machine. Right now, my top picks are the Intel Pro-GX and the Lucky Goldstar. (I like the name Logisys better. :-) ) > Well, I now have to shut my old trusty NeXTmachine down and >move to the 486. Does UUCP work? The guys at Software Ventures >and Zion Software said that the Serial ports were screwed up. >Heh! Maybe I won't be using UUCP and posting... until September. I haven't tried UUCP, but tip worked at 38400bps talking to a 9.6 modem yesterday. I'm going to try things out on a Gateway soon and see what all the fuss is about. :-) BTW, the machine I was working on yesterday was an older Dell 433P (no local bus/EISA so it was VGA all the way). The interesting thing was that even though I had 2 16mb SIMMs in for 32mb which the manual states is supported, DOS and NeXTSTEP only saw 16mb. I think it has something to do with their EMS support getting in the way. I suspect there will be lots of older 486's with the same problem. The PC world is great, isn't it? :-) -- Bill Chin, NeXTSTEP Developer, PRC Inc. VP Communications, Washington Area NeXT Users Group Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Technical Staff bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: URGENT: Monitor is waving. What gives? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.045849.2576@imani.cam.org> Date: 7 Jun 93 04:58:49 GMT Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Hi [Sorry for cross-posting, but I'm panicking a bit here!] As the subject line says, my B/W monitor is waving i.e. vertical waves are going around, at about 2 mm intervals, for a few seconds, and then going away. It's been getting worse. What next? My system is a monochrome Cube that is runnning 24hrs for UUCp, but gets relatively little use these days. It's an old '030 system, so it's the old monitor. Thanks for _any_ help or pointers. Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
From: ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel vs Epson Message-ID: <1993Jun5.230913.23291@pencom.com> Date: 5 Jun 93 23:09:13 GMT References: <1993Jun4.072901.1046@arsenal.com> Sender: usenet@pencom.com (Usenet Pseudo User) Organization: Pencom Software In article Andrew T. Foster writes: > > Howdy, > > On the second night of the show, a NeXT Engineer showed up with > a driver for the Epson NX. Apparently, Epson had modified the > hardware a bit and the new driver fired up the Epson to > 1120x832 in 16-bit. It looked GREAT! It moved really fast! > A new driver, that is not written by Pencom or NeXT, is > going to be available from ATI very soon. I am sure that this > driver will take full advantage of the ATI. Instead of NeXT's > and Pencom's method of not working with the manufacture and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey, hey, hey!!! We (Pencom) do work with manufacturers! We get tech support, source code, utilities, and hardware differences between chip revisions, etc, possible RAMDACs, etc. And we keep in touch. I even went out to dinner with them at COMDEX. They are very excited about NEXTSTEP. They like it. I'm developing the driver for the Tseng Labs ET4000/W32i and I made it work at 1120x832 8-bit grayscale including color at the lower resolutions. I worked about 13 hours every day just before the Expo. > doing silly things like "not writing to the RAMDAC" because > its "proprietary". <sigh> Amazing the things you hear at > expo when you sit and drink beer with some of the vendors till > 3:00 a.m. at Moscone. :) I think it was a manufacturer who wanted the driver not to have proprietary code in it since it applied to things that were likely to change in a new revision of the hardware. The driver I developed is just a prototype but we'll be getting more hardware (an NEC tower model with superior graphics hardware) to fully develop the driver. The first machine they sent to us was an NEC that had only 1MB of video memory. That's one of the reasons why I didn't do color at higher resolutions. I'll try to make 1120x832 color a must for all drivers we develop since most 17" displays (i.e. NEC 5FG) have no trouble with it. I considerer support from the manufacturers a must to finish successfully and on time. We have NEXTSTEP expertise and they know their hardware, so a combined effort is the most effective solution. Regards, Ricardo J. Parada Pencom Software
From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Price for a NEW 040 board Date: 8 Jun 1993 02:25:15 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Message-ID: <1v0tab$1pp@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Hello, all! I recently posted to marketplace asking about the price of used 040 boards for NeXT cubes. The response I got was about $1000. For comparison's sake, I was wondering what the price was for a NEW 040 board. The last I heard, it was about $2500. Any change in this? Thanks! Joe -- __________ | jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" \_/OE | \EISS | Dr. Sam Beckett put things right that once went wrong. `---- | You can do the same. Help bring back Quantum Leap!!!
From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT CR-ROM Player XA Capable? Date: 8 Jun 1993 00:11:19 GMT Organization: Suite Software Message-ID: <1v0lf7$f1i@bilbo.suite.com> Does anyone know if the NeXT CD-ROM drive is XA capable (i.e., can it read multiple savesets of data, written at different times, as with the Kodak Photo-CD)? Thanks
From: kucerarj@kucerarj.test.rose-hulman.edu (Ryan J Kucera) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Diamond Viper Date: 8 Jun 1993 03:11:00 GMT Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v1004INNs10@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Does anyone know if the Diamond Viper will be supported under NeXTStep? A friend is thinking about getting one and also wants to run NeXTStep. He also wants to know if the Sound Blaster Pro will be supported. Thanks, Ryan Kucera kucerarj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Intel P/GX and NS/FIP Experience Message-ID: <1993Jun8.031117.3078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: 8 Jun 93 03:11:17 GMT Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Having seen much discussion about the Intel vs. Epson, I'd like to relate my experience with the Intel Professional/GX. I have the high-res DX2/66 model (latest HW revision) with 24 MB RAM, an Adaptec 1542C card (temporary until on-board SCSI is supported), 500 MB external SCSI HD, Sony 16" 1604S monitor, Intel EtherExpress 16 card, Microsoft mouse (EEEK!), and Focus 9000 keyboard. This machine is a joy to use! However, it was not a joy to install NS/FIP. Unfortunately, the installation docs are sorely lacking. NeXT needs to improve these NOW. Installation gripes: 1. Installation evidently doesn't allow you to specify the machine type for the installation process. Downside? Well, I had to install the mouse in COM1 in order to use it during the installation procedure! I figured this out with no help from the docs. 2. Very little discussion in the docs concerning the details of each device configuration. Downside? I didn't know the default refresh rate was 60 Hz for the on-board ATI for a couple of days (after a couple of headaches, that is). Rates up to 76 Hz *are* supported for the P/GX in NS/FIP 3.1. (I use 72 Hz with the Sony -- rock solid at 1024x768.) 3. The SCSI is a little finicky at boot time. Sometimes a couple of resets are needed to get past the 'RDP' error. My cable length is only about 3 feet. NeXT CD-ROM works fine. 4. You have to run the ECU (EISA Config Util) to get rid of BIOS complaints, even though you just page through the utility with F10 (you don't set anything). Installation joys: 1. Only flipped one DIP switch on the 1542C (disable on-board floppy) and I didn't touch the EtherExpress card! Once installed, NS/FIP just works! For general PS rendering, the Intel P/GX is twice the speed of my 25 MHz Colorstation. (Yes 2X faster). I haven't been able to benchmark the disk performance, but it 'feels' much faster than my Colorstation. Network performance also feels faster, but this is probably due to the fact that the browser is soooo much faster under the Workspace Manager. Yes, the windows do 'tear' a little more, however, I don't care as much about that as I do the rendering speed. And the Intel P/GX leaves my Colorstation in the dust on that score... I highly recommend the Intel P/GX DX2/66. With the addition of drivers for the on-board CD-quality in/out audio (promised for 3.2) and the on-board SCSI-II (rumored for 3.2), this will be an even hotter machine. Add the Pentium upgrade and well... If you want some *real* info on the machine, call Intel's Literature Distribution Center at 1-800-548-4725. You'll receive a *detailed* description of the machine's capabilities. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: les@chinet.chinet.com (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <C8A7L7.IB8@chinet.chinet.com> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX References: <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <C81wq1.1nE@chinet.chinet.com> <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 02:43:55 GMT In article <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >I am assured from many people, that the recently produced drives with >compression create compatible archives. >The problem is, however, that our users would be tempted to use the tape >for more loads/unloads (more "compressed" files on one tape). In addition >the drives with compression cost more that the others. This is a matter of education. If something is important, keep three copies and be very sure that the person who screws up the first two doesn't get near the last copy. Media damage is just one of the ways you can lose data. It's at least as likely that the restore command will be typed backwards which will give the same symptoms as an unreadable tape (you might want to try re-using some of the ones that the users claim have failed). And of course there's always fire and floods to worry about, so you want a copy in a different location too. Les Mikesell les@chinet.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kurtww@netcom.com (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) Subject: Re: Diamond Viper Message-ID: <kurtwwC8AGt9.n3p@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1v1004INNs10@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 06:03:08 GMT Ryan J Kucera (kucerarj@kucerarj.test.rose-hulman.edu) wrote: : Does anyone know if the Diamond Viper will be supported under NeXTStep? A : friend is thinking about getting one and also wants to run NeXTStep. He : also wants to know if the Sound Blaster Pro will be supported. I second this request. It's not listed in the hardware guide...but I already _have_ a Viper and I really want to run NSFIP!!! Also, what's the story with not supporting the Adaptec 174x? Isn't this a pretty standard unit? Is there any way to use it before September? NeXT wasn't helpful. : Thanks, : Ryan Kucera : kucerarj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Kurt Wiedenhoeft kurtww@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Drivers for color at 1120x832 (ATI in particular) Message-ID: <1993Jun8.071854.1959@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <1993Jun5.230913.23291@pencom.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 07:18:54 GMT In article <1993Jun5.230913.23291@pencom.com> ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo Parada) writes: > > I'll try to make 1120x832 color a must for all drivers we develop since most > 17" displays (i.e. NEC 5FG) have no trouble with it. > > > Ricardo J. Parada > Pencom Software Are there any plans for a driver for the ATI chipset to support 1120x832? I seem to remember hearing something about this. I'm surprised the standard driver doesn't do it, ((1120x832x2) = 1,863,680) < 2Meg VRAM, which is what I have in the system. Anybody know the reason that it is limited to 1024x768? -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Removable Optical on a NeXT Date: 8 Jun 1993 00:37:55 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1v1fkj$lg0@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <Jun07.230139.66213@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> No, it won't. Unfortunately Someone else talked about this before and has a patch for it. Maybe they will post it again for ya. maurices
From: brueck@inm.uni-sb.de (Stefan Brueck) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: next 17" color monitor useful as pc monitor? Date: 8 Jun 93 09:36:12 Organization: Institute for New Materials (INM), Saarbr"ucken, Germany. Distribution: comp Message-ID: <BRUECK.93Jun8093612@inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de> hi is it possible to use a 17" next color monitor as a monitor for a pc computer. what type of connector cable is eventually necessary? thanks for help stefan --
Institut fuer Neue Materialien (INM) # Universitaet des Saarlandes, Geb. 43 # Phone: +49 681 302 5086 Stefan Brueck # E-Mail (Internet): brueck@inm.uni-sb.de W-6600 Saarbruecken (Germany) # ############################################################################### #################################################################### Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: rupp@risc.awi.uni-heidelberg.de (Bjoern Rupp) Subject: NeXT keyboard as PC keyboard - how ? Message-ID: <1993Jun8.101439.8002@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Date: Tue, 8 Jun 93 10:14:39 GMT Is there a way to connect the original black NeXT keyboard to a PC (running NeXTSTEP/Intel, of course :-) ? And if there is, how is this accomplished ? As far as I can tell after opening the keyboard, it pretty much looks like a standard ALPS keyboard with the usual chips to me, so I guess there should be a way to connect it to a PC. If anybody has successfully tried this already, I would be happy about a short summary. Thanks a lot, Bjoern ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- BJOERN RUPP Universitaet Heidelberg Alfred-Weber-Institut LS Wirtschaftsinformatik rupp@awi-nov.awi.uni-heidelberg.de Grabengasse 14 rupp@risc.awi.uni-heidelberg.de D-69117 Heidelberg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: Hardware vendors for scientific labs Message-ID: <1993Jun8.080534.23406@leland.Stanford.EDU> Keywords: purchasing, academic Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Tue, 8 Jun 93 08:05:34 GMT I frequently find myself in the position of advising other scientists on computer purchases for their labs. I still want to recommend NeXTstep but I run into the problem of the jungle of hardware configurations available. Keeping track of available workstation configurations plus Macintosh was trivial in comparison. If I were to do the purchasing myself I could get the information, but I need to give concise recommendations to people who are not sure about the difference between ROM, RAM, and hard disk "memory", and do not even want to *think* about graphics adapters and such. What I need is to be able to recommend a few specific vendors that can be trusted to put together good packages at a reasonable price, and who know what NeXTstep is. They also need to understand that the machines will be on the Internet, use the client-server "paradigm" (insert post-modern finger quotes :), need 32 MB RAM (without resorting to talk about "power users") and so on. I would greatly appreciate your experiences and other hints. I will summarize. Thanks, Magnus -- Magnus Nordborg magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred) Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-5020 +1 (415) 723-4952 (office)
From: sanchezp@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Trying to put together a NS/FIP Dell system Message-ID: <1993Jun8.150941.8549@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> Date: 8 Jun 93 15:09:41 GMT Sender: news@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu Distribution: na Organization: University of Arizona My wife is trying to put together a NextStep system based on a Dell with Jaws graphics. Neither she nor I are at all knowledgeable about hardware, and she hasn't been able to find anyone who knows what they're talking about at either Dell or NeXT. We picked up the NextAnswers document, but there are still some unanswered questions. If anyone out there actually knows something and is willing to help, would you please e-mail to Susan at: sanchez@umslvma.umsl.edu Please help end her suffering! She's stuck on an IBM VM/CMS system until she can get her NS machine... Thanks in advance. --paul
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Broken degaussing buttons on color monitors Message-ID: <8960@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> Date: 8 Jun 93 16:48:42 GMT Sender: root@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu WIthin a year of purchase, the degaussing buttons on both of our color machine monitors have broken--they seem to be stuck halfway down, and pressing them does not run the degausser. Any tips on how to get them to work? -- Douglas Scott (805)893-8352 Center for Computer Music Research and Composition University of California, Santa Barbara Internet: (NeXTMail ok) <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Price for a NEW 040 board Message-ID: <1993Jun8.141856.1619@imani.cam.org> Date: 8 Jun 93 14:18:56 GMT References: <1v0tab$1pp@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1v0tab$1pp@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) writes: > > Hello, all! > > I recently posted to marketplace asking about the price of used 040 > boards for NeXT cubes. The response I got was about $1000. For > comparison's sake, I was wondering what the price was for a NEW 040 > board. The last I heard, it was about $2500. Any change in this? ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Probably before Black Tuesday (was it on Tuesday, Thursday, I'm not sure?), hey! They're not made naymore. Used is the only way to go. Sorry Ciao > > Thanks! > Joe > -- > __________ | jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu > | |___) | """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > \_/OE | \EISS | Dr. Sam Beckett put things right that once went wrong. > `---- | You can do the same. Help bring back Quantum Leap!!! -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Next Monitor with PC's? Date: 8 Jun 1993 14:27:18 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1v2lm6INNri5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Can I use a Next Trinitron (ADB) monitor with a PC? I read that one could, with the 21". How about the 17"? How? Thanks Robert de Lucca email rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Res of standard 17" next monitor? Date: 8 Jun 1993 19:07:48 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v2o24$2qc@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Anyone know the /maximum/ resolution of the standard NeXT 17" monitor? thanks. -- :::Apple II forever!!:::GO BUCKS!:::Play Lacrosse!!:::Raging Bullwinkle!::: : Shane M . Zatezalo - CIS OSU: i-net> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu : : root@tap.colum.fnet.org : NeXTMail> shane@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu : :GS::: call T.A.P. a Futurenet BBS 614-297-7031 16.8k DS HST 670 MEGS ::GS:
From: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NS/FIP and ESDI hard drives? Date: 8 Jun 1993 19:09:42 GMT Organization: University of Oregon Network Services Message-ID: <1v2o5m$io3@pith.uoregon.edu> Everything I've seen regarding NeXTSTEP for Intel says that it's only supporting IDE and SCSI hard drives. Does this mean that it cirumvents the BIOS? Theoretically, if the drivers were going through the BIOS, we could use MFM, RLL, ESDI, *and* IDE hard drives. So, what's the story? My Priam ESDI hard drive would rock just about any SCSI hard drive, and it would be more than adequate to run NS. A lot of server-class machines have hard drives that are ESDI, and it would be nice if we didn't have to re-invest is new ones. Thanks. -jason _________________________________________________________________ Jason Fosback, User Support Analyst | No sir, I didn't like it ---- University of Oregon ---- | -R&S Internet: jfosback@oregon.uoregon.edu | Star Trek: NeXT mail: jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu | The NeXT Generation...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) Subject: Re: Drivers for color at 1120x832 (ATI in particular) Message-ID: <1993Jun8.102412.11524@mic.ucla.edu> Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management References: <1993Jun5.230913.23291@pencom.com> <1993Jun8.071854.1959@netcom.com> Date: 8 Jun 93 10:24:12 PDT And let's not forget about the 1280*1024 mode at 74 (76?) Hz non-interlaced in 8-bit mode (perhaps 8-bit grey-scale). This would make for very sharp text on my 21" monitor... I haven't followed the discussion on what Pencom's role is, but I'd pay $50-$100 to a third-party vendor to get my video hardware to run at the best mode it can (full use of RAMDAC, high resolution). /ivo welch In article <1993Jun8.071854.1959@netcom.com> gordie@cyclesoft.com writes: >In article <1993Jun5.230913.23291@pencom.com> ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo >Parada) writes: >> >> I'll try to make 1120x832 color a must for all drivers we develop since most >> 17" displays (i.e. NEC 5FG) have no trouble with it. >> >> >> Ricardo J. Parada >> Pencom Software > >Are there any plans for a driver for the ATI chipset to support 1120x832? I >seem to remember hearing something about this. I'm surprised the standard >driver doesn't do it, ((1120x832x2) = 1,863,680) < 2Meg VRAM, which is what I >have in the system. Anybody know the reason that it is limited to 1024x768? >-- >>>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bff@teal.csn.org (Brendan Forsyth) Subject: Hi-Res monitors Message-ID: <C8BIK8.251@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (The Daily Planet) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 19:38:31 GMT Does anyone know of any vendors that have display systems which will support very high resolutions ( > 1120x832 ) on Next? I am developing a radiology application that has this as a requirement. Also, anybody know what ACR-NEMA data format is? Thanks Brendan next!bff@pvh.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pasqua@adobe.com Subject: Re: Drivers for color at 1120x832 (ATI in particular) Message-ID: <1993Jun8.194543.24052@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Jun8.071854.1959@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 19:45:43 GMT In article <1993Jun8.071854.1959@netcom.com> gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) writes: > In article <1993Jun5.230913.23291@pencom.com> ricardo@pencom.com (Ricardo > Parada) writes: > > > > I'll try to make 1120x832 color a must for all drivers we develop since most > > 17" displays (i.e. NEC 5FG) have no trouble with it. > > > > > > Ricardo J. Parada > > Pencom Software > > Are there any plans for a driver for the ATI chipset to support 1120x832? I > seem to remember hearing something about this. I'm surprised the standard > driver doesn't do it, ((1120x832x2) = 1,863,680) < 2Meg VRAM, which is what I > have in the system. Anybody know the reason that it is limited to 1024x768? > -- > >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! > >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20 It is a little misleading to talk about a particular chipset supporting a given display size, bit depth, and color space. For instance, the ATI chipset can be built into systems that have a number of RAMDACs. Not all of these RAMDACs can support all of the modes that the ATI chipset can support. The current driver for the ATI chipset supports a number of different DACs in several modes. I think you'll see the driver extended to support more in the future. But remember, just because one board with an ATI chipset supports a larger display size does not mean that all of them can. Another example is the Compaq QVision. Early versions of the boards (QVision 1) do not have the VRAM or RAMDAC to support more than 800x16 16 bpp color. Newer versions can do 1024x768 16 bpp color and 1280x1024 8bpp grayscale. Joe Pasqua
From: alan@curta.cc.columbia.edu (Alan Crosswell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: IBM Valuepoint release notes? Message-ID: <1993Jun8.190510.10945@news.columbia.edu> Date: 8 Jun 93 19:05:10 GMT Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University [This message originally sent to Bob Lawton at NeXT. Email and follow-up phone message remain unanswered, so maybe someone here will know the answer.] Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 20:09:14 EDT From: Alan Crosswell <alan@curta.cc.columbia.edu> To: bob_lawton@next.com Cc: alan@curta.cc.columbia.edu Subject: IBM valuepoint application note Hello, I call 1-800-TRY-NEXT and they sent me to 1-800-848-6398 (I can only think of one thing that 848 can spell). The gentleman there gave me your name. My question is simple, I hope: The Nextstep hardware compatibility guide (revised: June 1, 1993), on page 4 bottom right -- the IBM valuepoint notes -- says "Please contact NeXT for an application note on installation." Would you please send me that note (Nextmail OK) and could you comment on how firm the July '93 availability of the driver update disk is? I hesitate to just order the VP given previous NeXT promises of update disks (like the 3.0 disk that was supposed to follow Real Soon Now with the Netware client library). Thanks in advance. /a
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wampner@next1 (Eric Wampner) Subject: CD ROM drives. Message-ID: <1993Jun8.204411.4263@cs.ucf.edu> Sender: news@cs.ucf.edu (News system) Organization: University of Central Florida Distribution: na Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 20:44:11 GMT Okay, having been asleep at the wheel for some time now, I missed some discussion a while back about NeXT CD-ROM drives, compatibility and Black Hardware. I have a 040-Cube, and may want to get some CD-ROM software soon, so I am looking for suggestions as to where to look. I would like to get one that will function with a PC-Clone (with appropriate SCSI card), I would like to be able to install the new OS software with it as well as read regular CD's. I was reading a while back that SUN's were fine, and SGI's would work from an SGI, but had special booting hardware. I assume that the NeXT requires both a Floppy Drive to boot and a CD-ROM to load the rest of the OS? Any suggestions for SCSI CD-ROMS? eric wampner wampner@acme.ucf.edu (I could not find a new version of the FAQ, the version I have is from several months ago, if this info is in there, sorry, if not, add it!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: root@chromas.skidmore.Edu (Operator) Subject: Re: Analog and Digital I/O Hardware Message-ID: <1993Jun8.210757.25184@scott.skidmore.edu> Sender: news@scott.skidmore.edu (news manager) Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY References: <1um6fjINNkd8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 21:07:57 GMT In article <1um6fjINNkd8@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> alvin@arapaho.ucsc.edu (Alvin Jee) writes: > In article <C7yKF7.5E@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com writes: > > ... munch ... > > |> They offer an ISA bus card that looks like NeXT hardware. > |> That is you can take anything that ran on the NeXT DSP and run it on > |> their card. The big difference is the host port. The interface is cool > > > Yipppee!! Now we can run Mandelbrot and compare the speed of the > DSP vs the speed of a 486! > > :) :) > > Alvin Jee > alvin@cse.ucsc.edu AND now you can run the musical ear training program called "AudioChallenger" as well as the computer synthesis tutorial called "BESSIE". A. Holland Skidmore College
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: root@chromas.skidmore.Edu (Operator) Subject: Re: Help! Dim monitor problems... Message-ID: <1993Jun8.211320.25339@scott.skidmore.edu> Sender: news@scott.skidmore.edu (news manager) Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY References: <C87oxJ.3GA@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 21:13:20 GMT In article <C87oxJ.3GA@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: > In article <1993Jun6.045847.4710@logician.com> juan@apple.com (Juan Pineda) > writes: > #Hi, > # > #Help! The B&W monitor on my NeXT cube has recently become very dim. > # > #Apparently there was a recall for this problem a few years ago. > Unfortunately, > #I bought my '030 Cube at the Business Land fire sale, so it came without a > #warrantee. > > That didn't matter. Mine came w/out a warranty and they replaced it for free. > My cube came from B'land also. > > If the service contractor is still doing the fix you should be able to have it > done for free. > > # > #Questions: Is there a fix for the problem? Will the monitor die, get worse, > or > #will it just remain at the current low brightness level? What is the source > of > #the problem, i.e. a power transistor in the high voltage supply? Is there a > #source for inexpensive replacement monitors (<$200). > > Don't know if it will get worse or not but you can always take the back off > and turn the brightness up. > > Kent > -- > /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ > /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */ I have two monitors with this same problem. I even took the tech course at NeXT headquarters in CA last September. We learned how to tweak up the monitor but a bunch of other techies there (I'm a music Prof. !) told me that the higher you tweak up the monitor, the more X-RAYS the user gets hit with !!! So, I've delayed until the thing seems impossible, Anthony Holland Skidmore College replies to: tholland@pars.skidmore.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: usenet@news.arc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: opinions on Intel-based hardware Message-ID: <1993Jun8.220412.13885@news.arc.nasa.gov> Keywords: nextstep, intel, next Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA References: <2107@esl.ESL.COM> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 22:04:12 GMT I also attended the Expo and came away with a bit different impression. It appears that the crucial issues for NS are disk I/O and video processing power/bandwidth. Many of the high-powered 486 (i.e., 486DX2-66MHz) functioned differently in actual practice. My net impression is that Intel (aka Workstation 2000) Epson (w/Wingine), and DELL (w/JAWS) are the front runners, and that vendors who simply trotted out their Windows boxes had poor performance to show off. In terms of disk I/O, of course VM memory model demands a lot. The most effective technology will be one that supports DMA, and it appears that an IDE controller coupled with particular hard disks can actually achieve this state of affairs. Exactly which IDE controller and which disk I cannot say for sure (I'm not in a position to run tests). I expect benchmarks of disk I/O to reveal which ones really work out well. Remember that disk I/O under processor control is an anathema that all mature computers avoid. By that standard, all Macintosh (due to OS restrictions)and most PC are lacking. As to video, the simple test is to drag a complex window around on the screen. Machines differentiated themselves readily under this test. At the hardware level, special video interfaces seem to be most effective at allowing NS to work well with screen images. Epson (and others) exhibited machines with a technology called Wingine (a chipset from Chips and Technologies (?)). Intel had a pizza box that Andy Grove used in his keynote address using some other high-powered technology (PCI?) and DELL had JAWS (proprietary). These three were exhibiting machines that did seem to provide the sort of immediacy that one would want. I hope that others can fill in the gaps or correct my misapprehensions. On a connected topic, it appears that one should not hope for a Pentium-upgradeable box. For reasons of cooling, a fully-powered Pentium has to reside in a box that is specifically biult for it. So buy your 486 with no illusions. Finally I wish to focus discussion on the PCI bus as the real power behind the box of choice. Form what I've seen, no other bus technology comes close to the bandwidth this emerging technology has to offer. The crux here seems to be a matter of simply getting the PCI boards out into the channel. They may be a long ways off. So once again, those who can afford to wait will benefit from watching the specatacle of those on the bleeding edge. I myself hope to see some incisive product reviews in a forum like PCWorld or whatever. And may the best clone win. Now you boxes get out there and fight it out! I'll be watching. Arthur Ogawa Internet: ogawa@orion.arc.nasa.gov Ph: 1/415/691-1126 TeX consultant AppleLink: ogawa FAX:1/415/962-1969 STEPS Project 1101 San Antonio Rd. #413, MOUNTAIN VIEW, CA 94043-1002
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Subject: Re: Need COMPETENT PC vendor! Message-ID: <C8BMr7.zs@oceania.com> Sender: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems References: <1993Jun4.201456.1127@proforma.com> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 21:09:04 GMT Hi all, [Painfully familiar PC vendor experience deleted] "Ditto" here. I was hoping to get high-end PCs (no NS), and even that has proven to be an extreme challenge. Some sell direct, some don't. Most shops that "stock" a brand only carry the low end. My impression is that these high-end machines are very rare! It is a shame that NeXT has put together all this software, and it is virtually impossible to get a hold of hardware. Lots of unreturned phone calls from vendors at Expo, etc. I doubt I will ever find pre-installed NS, much less be able to find *one* vendor who can get differnent high-end machines in a reasonable time frame. (Yes, it would be *really* nice to actually find some of the approved hardware in stock.) I'm a guy with cash in hand, in a company in a vertical market, with the potential of *thousands* of units of sales, and they still won't return my phone calls. (And this is in the Silicon Valley!) UGH! HELP! If anyone has found a single source for high-end PCs, share the info! :-) I am currently dealing with about a dozen different people, just trying to get some different hardware in here for us to evaluate which we want to use and recommend to customers. With all the info I have had to collect, I could almost start *my* own business doing just that! :-) It's a brave new world! [P.S. Gateway was a joy to buy from.] My $0.02, John -- John Robison | john@oceania.com | This Space Available NeXTMail Accepted. | Call: 555-SIGS Opinions are my own. |
From: paulus@nextover.pe.utexas.edu (P. Suryono Adisoemarta) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Quicktel XEBA problem Message-ID: <87981@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 8 Jun 93 22:48:06 GMT Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Distribution: usa Hi, can a Quicktel XEBA faxmodem be used as faxmodem for a NeXT ? I can dial out using the modem but can't send a fax out. Thanks for you help Paulus paulus@nextover.pe.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Which Motherboards Work? Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun08.231227.9801@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1993 23:12:27 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Organization: IBM Rochester Greetings all, Well the time has come to buy a new machine for myself and as it turns out I've a dealer that will sell me a 66-486 DX/2, ATI Ultra 2 Meg VRAM, 16 Mem, 1540 Adaptec card, 525 Quantum harddisk, 17 inch Sony Monitor, mouse, BLACK case (VERY IMPORTANT! 8-) ), for $4000. Excellent deal actually. Now it hit me at this point, this thing will probably work. But the confusion that I am looking at is that the NeXT hardware recommendations are based on brand. But it would seem wise on their part, (well wise for the users but not the 3rd party OEM folks) to list the motherboards that NeXTSTEP/Intel works with. I could CERTAINLY USE THAT RIGHT NOW and I'm sure others could too! Therefore, I highly suggest if there is to be an NeXTSTEP/Intel FAQ file, this be added! (anyone up for it?) Last, does anyone have NeXTSTEP/Intel working on a Diamond motherboard? If you do, please send me email! I need to hear from you. Tom -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jon@afs.com Subject: Intel Hardware FAQ Message-ID: <1993Jun8.191632.268@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 19:16:32 GMT In article <1993Jun8.043942.23524@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: | In article <96.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes: | >Is there any interest in building a FAQ for Intel configurations, or | >possibly creating a new c.s.n group? | | Boot to the head! >thwack!< | | Nathan Janette <laplace.csb.yale.edu> maintains the c.s.n FAQ | files and has already announced that he is going to deal with | this. Chill out, ok? It seems I have taken over the effort of compiling a hardware FAQ. Anyone who has installed NEXTSTEP/Intel on a machine, please email me your experiences, good or bad. Make sure to mention the configuration, and if there was anything "odd" about it. (no-name clone, etc.) -- Jonathan Hendry Anderson Financial Systems jon@afs.com (Nextmail Welcome!) or tjhendry@mcs.drexel.edu I see an Epson and I want to paint it black...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: next 17" color monitor useful as pc monitor? Message-ID: <C8Dtr9.5nH@news.otago.ac.nz> From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 01:35:33 GMT Sender: usenet@news.otago.ac.nz (News stuff) References: <BRUECK.93Jun8093612@inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de> Distribution: comp Organization: University of Otago Hi, Send to e-mail to NeXTanswers@NeXT.com with the subject set to: 1117. This will return a PS file of the compatibility of NeXT hardware. If you don't have NeXTmail, set the subject to ASCII 1117 Alastair In article <BRUECK.93Jun8093612@inmsol.inm.uni-sb.de> writes: > hi > > is it possible to use a 17" next color monitor as a monitor for a pc > computer. what type of connector cable is eventually necessary? > > thanks for help > stefan > -- >
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Maxtor 360mb back to 512 byte sectors? Message-ID: <1v327dINN4ug@clem.handheld.com> From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Date: 8 Jun 1993 22:01:17 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. I'm trying to bring up NSFIP on a Maxtor 360mb drive that has been reformatted on a black NeXT for 1024 byte sectors. Now, I need to restore it to 512 byte sectors, and the adaptec 1532C (I think that's the model, it's the "C" one that's now supported) software won't format it properly. Any ideas? -- jmd@handheld.com
From: cm601@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bradley Alexander Derrick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Modem recommendation desired Date: 9 Jun 1993 02:15:35 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Message-ID: <1v3h47$9bs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> References: <C7ozyC.HzL@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> In a previous article, messner@hopper.Virginia.EDU (David Messner) says: >Also, will I require a special cable and if so, will I have >to make this myself or is one available? I don'have a NeXT... yet 8^). But from what I know you don't want to buy a MAC Cable, or something that does NOT allow Hardware flow control. Today with modems that go faster than 9600 you need ti have HardWare flow control. So I beleive you can order a modem cable(A good one) from NeXT Connection. And for a modem, I would go with a USRobotics Courier v.32bis(It might be expensive but its the best they got, unless you need to call USR's own standard, in that case you'll need an HST or a DUAL which supports both). I've owned several USRs, three external and one internal, and have had the best time with all of them. -- +------------------+--------------------------+ | Bradley Derrick | Titan Technologies(c) | +------------------+--------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Turbo memory strangeness Message-ID: <1993Jun9.052432.26267@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 05:24:32 GMT I was wondering if anyone knew the answer to this question: I just bought some 16MB parity SIMMS which are labeled as 70ns. When I put them into my turbo color NeXTStation, it tells me that it has 64MB at 80ns. I originally had 2 8MB 70ns SIMMS which the NeXT turbo would properly recognize as 70ns. When I MIX the two sets, putting non-parity 16MB SIMMs in slots 0,1 and 8MB SIMMS in slots 2,3, I get 48 megabytes as expected, BUT, the NeXT claims that the memory is 100ns. Why do I get different timing ratings with different configurations of SIMMS? What is going on? Also, is there any advantage of 80ns over 100ns? I know that there is some kind of improvement due to 70ns. Thanks in advance, Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: NS/FIP and ESDI hard drives? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.052342.18905@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1v2o5m$io3@pith.uoregon.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 05:23:42 GMT In article <1v2o5m$io3@pith.uoregon.edu> jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) writes: >Everything I've seen regarding NeXTSTEP for Intel says that it's only >supporting IDE and SCSI hard drives. Does this mean that it cirumvents >the BIOS? Theoretically, if the drivers were going through the BIOS, we >could use MFM, RLL, ESDI, *and* IDE hard drives. Pretty much anything that runs in "protected" mode has to "circumvent" the BIOS. With few exceptions, BIOS routines only work in "real" mode, generally aren't reentrant, and are only useful for first-stage booting and running MS-DOS. Since protected mode isn't subject to the "640K barrier," there really isn't any "need" for a BIOS anyway. You really, really don't want to use MFM, RLL, or IDE drives on a NEXTSTEP (or UNIX, or OS/2, or NT) system. Given that NS/FIP is distributed on CD-ROM, and CD-ROM drives tend to be SCSI devices, NS/FIP customers would be SCSI-equipped, and presumably would go ahead and purchase SCSI drives rather than a second disk controller. I agree that ESDI support would be nice, but I can understand why NeXT might consider this a low priority. -=EPS=-
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Need suggestions on hard drives, RAM Message-ID: <42@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 9 Jun 93 05:09:50 GMT References: <1993Jun01.152605.10856@rchland.ibm.com> Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. Hi I am looking for some advices to the Hardware for NeXtSTEP FIP I have SCSI and a Toshiba XM3401 CDROM and an AHAA 1542B Controller. But what shall I buy for graphics and what motherboard? ISA, EISA,LB? I think ISA is the wrong choice. But what is better for NeXTSTEP? EISA or Local BUS? Or is it best to buy a combination of these buses on one board. ANy experiences? And? I use a Deskjet 500! Is it really true that I can't print , only on Postscript Printers? That's sh*t!!!! NeXT listen: Support other printers, too, use e.g. ghostscript.... Thanks in advance!! kAY SCHULZ kschulz@gold.t-informatik.ba-stutgart.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) Subject: Re: Turbo memory strangeness Message-ID: <1993Jun9.070244.23616@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: San Francisco State University References: <1993Jun9.052432.26267@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 07:02:44 GMT In article <1993Jun9.052432.26267@leland.Stanford.EDU> avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) writes: >I just bought some 16MB parity SIMMS which are labeled as 70ns. When I put >them into my turbo color NeXTStation, it tells me that it has 64MB at 80ns. >I originally had 2 8MB 70ns SIMMS which the NeXT turbo would properly >recognize as 70ns. When I MIX the two sets, putting non-parity 16MB SIMMs in >slots 0,1 and 8MB SIMMS in slots 2,3, I get 48 megabytes as expected, BUT, >the NeXT claims that the memory is 100ns. > >Why do I get different timing ratings with different configurations of SIMMS? Last year one of the NeXT people posted an article explaining this; basically it means that one or more SIMMs is defective. >What is going on? 72-pin SIMMs have a couple of pins called "Presence Detect"-- they're connected to tiny surface-mount resistors that tell the TMC whether SIMMs are installed, and what speed they're supposed to be. We recently received some 16MB SIMMs from Marco International that were clearly made from 70ns components, but the ROM monitor reported 100ns. We sent them back and received replacements that worked as expected. -=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: NeXT CR-ROM Player XA Capable? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.042046.19926@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <1v0lf7$f1i@bilbo.suite.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 04:20:46 GMT In article <1v0lf7$f1i@bilbo.suite.com> Mark-Tarbell@suite.com writes: > Does anyone know if the NeXT CD-ROM drive is XA capable (i.e., > can it read multiple savesets of data, written at different times, > as with the Kodak Photo-CD)? > > Thanks No, it's not, but it's not really NeXT's fault. When it came out (back when they were in the hardware business) you couldn't buy XA drives anywhere. You can now. Probably the easiest to get is the Apple SC300. Most of the current generation of "double-speed" drives seem to be XA compatible. clp was mumbling something about "quad speed drives" a few weeks ago, so... Anyway, I would assume that the NEC XA drive (don't know the number off the top of my head) and the Apple SC300 would probably be the first XA drives to be supported fully (in 3.2?) on the NeXT with the PhotoCD stuff. I believe there is some play in the way various vendors are actually implementing XA (command-wise), so it won't be as plug-and-play as everyone would like. This isn't that big a deal, though. When you get your PhotoCDs made, just bring a couple of rolls at a time, and get the images put on in a single session. That's what I do, and it works fine. Kodak is really doing a loss-leader thing on the blank CD, so it only ends up costing you a couple of bucks for the CD. In other words, don't bring your half-full PhotoCD back to the photo-finisher to squeeze the last 10 images on - just start a new disc. The hassle of having a PhotoCD that you can't read everywhere isn't worth it. Just because you can fit 100 images on the disc doesn't mean you have to max out each one. -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
From: mmyaing@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mi Myaing) Newsgroups: comp.periohs.scsi,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Optical Drive support for NS/FIP Followup-To: poster Date: 9 Jun 1993 08:13:14 GMT Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v462q$kab@agate.berkeley.edu> Summary: drivers, adapters I wanna use NS/FIP as the basis of the coolest mixed network in my neighborhood :) For the way we use data, it make more sense for us to do backups on Optical disk. Anybody know who supports NS/FIP right now, or in the immediate future? I'll summarize replies. Vince Reed vince@jsrvx1.ucsf.edu UCSF Division of Surgery 505 Parnassus Ave. Rm M593 San Francisco, Ca. 94143-0118 (415)476-2606 Voice (415)476-9678 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: Diamond Viper Message-ID: <1993Jun8.162150.9066@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <kurtwwC8AGt9.n3p@netcom.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 16:21:50 GMT In article <kurtwwC8AGt9.n3p@netcom.com> kurtww@netcom.com (Kurt Wiedenhoeft) writes: > Ryan J Kucera (kucerarj@kucerarj.test.rose-hulman.edu) wrote: > : Does anyone know if the Diamond Viper will be supported under NeXTStep? A > : friend is thinking about getting one and also wants to run NeXTStep. He > : also wants to know if the Sound Blaster Pro will be supported. The Diamond Viper won't work until 3.2. The Sound Blaster Pro should work under 3.1. > Also, what's the story with not supporting the Adaptec 174x? Isn't > this a pretty standard unit? Is there any way to use it before > September? NeXT wasn't helpful. The problem is a bug in Adaptec's firmware. See my post to c.s.n.misc of about 12 hours ago. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: Turbo memory strangeness Message-ID: <1993Jun9.100434.1764@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1993Jun9.070244.23616@csus.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 10:04:34 GMT In article <1993Jun9.070244.23616@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott) writes: > Last year one of the NeXT people posted an article explaining > this; basically it means that one or more SIMMs is defective. > > >What is going on? > > 72-pin SIMMs have a couple of pins called "Presence Detect"-- > they're connected to tiny surface-mount resistors that tell the > TMC whether SIMMs are installed, and what speed they're supposed > to be. We recently received some 16MB SIMMs from Marco > International that were clearly made from 70ns components, but > the ROM monitor reported 100ns. We sent them back and received > replacements that worked as expected. > > -=EPS=- Thanks for the posting. I was able to find the posting from June 18, 1992. So it seems that some SIMM manufacturers have the resistor setup all screwed up, and that this is a widespread problem. This problem reveals something about the way the NeXT memory bus is set up for the turbos. It seems that if you have 80ns (pin 69=nc, pin70=gnd), and 70ns (pin 69=gnd, pin70=nc), then if the lines is common to all SIMMs, then the memory sensor would see pins 69 and 70 both pulled to ground, thus yielding the 100ns ((pin 69=gnd, pin70=gnd) configuration. But isn't this a stupid way of doing things? I mean, what if you really do have 80 and 70ns SIMMs, and put them together? Then you have 100ns access, just like I do now. Of course on the NeXT, 80ns and 100ns have the same wait states, so it doesn't matter. But what if you did have a system where the cutoff was 80ns? But that doesn't describe the NeXT turbo... Anyway, I'm left with some possibilities: 1) return them to the guy I bought them from, which would be a shame, since I got a really good deal on them. 2) move the surface-mount resistor from pin 70 to 69 on all 4 16MB SIMMS (royal pain in the kiester), 3) or simply cut the trace going to the pull-down resistor, thus converting the SIMMS to the 60ns (nc,nc) configuration. This would be easiest, but potentially alters the salability. Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213 Fax: +1 (415) 723-8468 email: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u7913108@ccsun21.cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: Need info about BusLogic SCSI card Message-ID: <1993Jun9.133830.6808@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 13:38:30 GMT >> In article <1993Jun8.051654.7262@BlueRose.com> m@BlueRose.com (M >> Carling) writes: >> >> ... If you want to use an EISA SCSI host adapter with 3.1 and Adaptec >> won't help you out, contact DPT or BusLogic. ... max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) writes: >> Speaking of BusLogic -- from the hardware compatability guide, it is >> clear that their ISA and EISA controllers are sufficiently compatable >> with the Adaptec 1542 to work with that driver. But: what about their >> VLB controller? Does anyone know whether it too works with the 1542 >> driver? sam@ms.uky.edu (Mike Mills) >> And let me add a question: If the VLB version of the Buslogic controller will >> work, does it also "automagically" let NextStep take advantage of memory above >> 16meg without double buffering (since its capbable of 32bit DMA), and without >> the need for extra drivers? I have also some question about BusLogic " 747s " EISA SCSI card (1) My friend told me that the BusLogic has some mode like EISA mode or another, what's that? If you use the ISA Adaptec 1542 driver for BusLogic EISA SCSI card, does it mean that you just can use it like ISA Adaptec 1542 which direct access 16M RAM? (2) How much does it cost? Since my friend will come back to Taiwan Next week, I want to know how better it is, and decide if I will ask my friend to buy it for me. I prefer EISA card if I can afford ( I saw somenoe writes that the DTP 2012 w/4.5M cache will cost ~$900 ). So, Any information about BusLogic would be willing to know, or where can I get my answers? Thanks. Mark _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Email address: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw (NOT NeXTmail please ...)
From: bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Turbo memory strangeness Date: 9 Jun 1993 14:29:20 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v4s40$pes@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <1993Jun9.070244.23616@csus.edu> Eric P. Scott writes > > 72-pin SIMMs have a couple of pins called "Presence Detect"-- > they're connected to tiny surface-mount resistors that tell the > TMC whether SIMMs are installed, and what speed they're supposed > to be. We recently received some 16MB SIMMs from Marco > International that were clearly made from 70ns components, but > the ROM monitor reported 100ns. We sent them back and received > replacements that worked as expected. > I have a pair of of 16 MB 70ns SIMMS that the ROM monitor reports as 100 ns. Someone gave these to me (i.e. I didn't purchase them from anywhere), so I can't really return them for replacement. I've never had any problems with the machine to date (OUCH! Shouldn't have said that; now it'll crash every other day 8-) ). Do I have reason to worry, or should I just press on merrily with my 48 MB of RAM? -- Bryan Milligan Voice: (409) 845-7541 Department of Aerospace Engineering Fax: (409) 845-6051 Texas A&M University bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (NeXT Mail accepted)
From: max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Best Fortress UPS to NeXT interfacing Date: 9 Jun 93 10:03:33 Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, MN Message-ID: <MAX.93Jun9100333@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> I've submitted to the Purdue and OSU ftp archives a text file describing how to interface the Best Fortress series of UPSs to a NeXT serial port, for use with Best's "CheckUPS for Unix" software for graceful shutdown when the battery is low.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gfin@cyber (Gary Finley) Subject: NS/FIP and an IDE system Message-ID: <1993Jun9.151441.8897@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 15:14:41 GMT I'm interested in building a NeXTSTEP 486 that uses IDE disk instead of SCSI. I have a 400MB IDE disk already, and have a localbus card in mind that contains both video and an IDE controller. I'd prefer to avoid SCSI because of the higher disk prices, and the tangle of compatibility and driver issues that characterize SCSI in the PC world. The obvious problem with this idea is that of installing NS from a (SCSI) CD ROM drive if you don't have a SCSI card in the system. So here's my question: Does it sound possible for me to boot the PC under DOS, run PCNFS and NFS-mount the CD-drive that's on my mono turbo station, and do the install from that drive? -------------------------------------------- Gary Finley, Univ of Alberta Psychology Dept. gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail welcome!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bjanzen@lexmark.com Subject: Re: IBM Value Point <==> NEXTSTEP??? Message-ID: <16BE89BF0.BJANZEN@lexmark.com> Sender: usenet@lexmark.com (News Dude) Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington, KY References: <1993Jun2.080202.693@nimno.wpa.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 16:05:16 GMT In article <1993Jun2.080202.693@nimno.wpa.com> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: >At the Expo, I remember being surprised at seeing an IBM Value Point >system running NS. Unfortunately, I didn't get an opportunity to really >see what model it was or how it was configured. I'd like to find out more >about this if anyone remembers the specs. > >I'm particularly interested in what type of video environment it had in it >and how well it performed. > >John Bartley >john@wpa.com It was the 486 w/ ISA and VL bus. I had given up on the Value Point line because they will not do EISA (it would be waving a white flag), but then along comes this puppy! I didn't catch the model, but I did a double take when I saw color. I looked in back and the video was NOT plugged into an adapter card - it was plugged into the built-in video! A pleasant suprise to those of us with limited choices at work. I'd still like to have EISA for a SCSI adapter, but at least we can do SOMETHING on IBM equipment. barry bjanzen@lexmark.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: avery@gestalt.Stanford.EDU (Avery Wang) Subject: Re: Turbo memory strangeness Message-ID: <1993Jun9.160921.6903@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1v4s40$pes@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 93 16:09:21 GMT In article <1v4s40$pes@tamsun.tamu.edu> bryan@kolsky.tamu.edu (Bryan Milligan) writes: > > I have a pair of of 16 MB 70ns SIMMS that the ROM monitor > reports as 100 ns. Someone gave these to me (i.e. I didn't Wow, Wish I had friends like you... > purchase them from anywhere), so I can't really return them for > replacement. I've never had any problems with the machine to > date (OUCH! Shouldn't have said that; now it'll crash every other > day 8-) ). Do I have reason to worry, or should I just press on > merrily with my 48 MB of RAM? Well, you can get better performance if you cut the trace going to pin number 70 on the 16MB SIMMS. They are configured wrong by the manufacturer. If you read my previous post, it tells how/why. It makes no difference if it is not a Turbo machine. Avery Wang Rains Apt. #15a 704 Campus Dr. Stanford, CA 94305 Tel: +1 (415) 497-7213
From: caam1010@servus07.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Matthias Boehringer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What 128MB Mo's work w/ black h/w ? Date: 9 Jun 1993 16:22:45 GMT Organization: Anorgan. Chemie, Uni Stuttgart Message-ID: <1v52ol$1sgk@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Keywords: 128 MB MO drives, NeXT Hi Fellow Netters, I would like to know what kind of 128 MB MO drives are working with black hardware! If you can offer any advice/help puh-leaze share it. I'm especially interested in a) Fujitsu M2511A b) IBM MD3125B. Has anybody one of these babies up'n'running with black hardware? Did you have to chenge anything (disktab entry?)? Thanx for your help, Matthias PS: Please e-mail me directly, I will summarize. Thanx! -- Matthias Boehringer Inst. f. Anorg. Chemie Matthias.Boehringer@rus.uni-stuttgart.de Uni Stuttgart Pfaffenwaldring 55 no NeXTmail, please D 7000 Stuttgart 80
From: roder@mayo.edu (Mark N. Roder) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Touch Screens? Date: 9 Jun 1993 16:42:40 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v53u0$de6@fermat.mayo.edu> Has anybody used a touch screen device with NS/Intel? What vendor did you use, and what type of drivers were needed. Thanks -- Mark Roder CEO R.I.S.E, Inc. NeXT Mail: roder@mayo.edu phone: (507) 251-0854
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: IBM Value Point <==> NEXTSTEP??? Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun09.171431.15162@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1993 17:14:31 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993Jun2.080202.693@nimno.wpa.com> <16BE89BF0.BJANZEN@lexmark.com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <16BE89BF0.BJANZEN@lexmark.com>, bjanzen@lexmark.com writes: |> In article <1993Jun2.080202.693@nimno.wpa.com> |> john@wpa.com (John Bartley) writes: |> |> >At the Expo, I remember being surprised at seeing an IBM Value Point |> >system running NS. Unfortunately, I didn't get an opportunity to really |> >see what model it was or how it was configured. I'd like to find out more |> >about this if anyone remembers the specs. |> > |> >I'm particularly interested in what type of video environment it had in it |> >and how well it performed. |> > |> >John Bartley |> >john@wpa.com |> It was the 486 w/ ISA and VL bus. I had given up on the Value Point line |> because they will not do EISA (it would be waving a white flag), but then |> along comes this puppy! I didn't catch the model, but I did a double take when |> I saw color. I looked in back and the video was NOT plugged into |> an adapter card - it was plugged into the built-in video! A pleasant suprise |> to those of us with limited choices at work. I'd still like to have EISA |> for a SCSI adapter, but at least we can do SOMETHING on IBM equipment. |> |> barry |> bjanzen@lexmark.com That particular machine uses the S3 chipset for video. I THINK it was a Valuepoint 6384, either model M71, W50, or W70. I have a hard time keeping them all straight. Tom -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: NS/FIP and an IDE system Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun09.173005.25551@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1993 17:30:05 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993Jun9.151441.8897@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1993Jun9.151441.8897@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, gfin@cyber (Gary Finley) writes: |> |> I'm interested in building a NeXTSTEP 486 that uses IDE disk |> instead of SCSI. I have a 400MB IDE disk already, and have |> a localbus card in mind that contains both video and an IDE |> controller. I'd prefer to avoid SCSI because of the higher |> disk prices, and the tangle of compatibility and driver |> issues that characterize SCSI in the PC world. |> The obvious problem with this idea is that of installing |> NS from a (SCSI) CD ROM drive if you don't have a SCSI card |> in the system. So here's my question: Does it sound |> possible for me to boot the PC under DOS, run PCNFS and |> NFS-mount the CD-drive that's on my mono turbo station, and |> do the install from that drive? |> |> -------------------------------------------- |> Gary Finley, Univ of Alberta Psychology Dept. |> gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail welcome!) Nope that won't work. The installation floppy bootstraps the Mach kernal so DOS isn't even involved at any point. -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: scollins@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com (Steven Collins) Subject: Re: NS/FIP and ESDI hard drives? Message-ID: <C8D3IG.6nM@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> Sender: news@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (IT Netnews) Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies References: <1v2o5m$io3@pith.uoregon.edu> <1993Jun9.052342.18905@csus.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 16:08:39 GMT In article <1993Jun9.052342.18905@csus.edu> eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes: >In article <1v2o5m$io3@pith.uoregon.edu> > jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) writes: > >You really, really don't want to use MFM, RLL, or IDE drives >on a NEXTSTEP (or UNIX, or OS/2, or NT) system. Given that >NS/FIP is distributed on CD-ROM, and CD-ROM drives tend to be >SCSI devices, NS/FIP customers would be SCSI-equipped, and >presumably would go ahead and purchase SCSI drives rather than a >second disk controller. I agree that ESDI support would be nice, >but I can understand why NeXT might consider this a low priority. > > -=EPS=- From what I heard from NeXT developers at the expo is that IDE with DMA was reasonably faster than the fastest SCSI controller NS/FIP supported. -Steve --
From: rling@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Ling) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/FIP disk I/O performance Keywords: ISA EISA SCSI IDE Message-ID: <1v5da3INN5e3@news.u.washington.edu> Date: 9 Jun 93 19:22:43 GMT Article-I.D.: news.1v5da3INN5e3 Distribution: na Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Does any body have any disk I/O performance measurements of the 3 hard disk adapters the NS/FIP supports? I recall that the DPT EISA SCSI adapter was supposed to be 2 to 3 times faster than the Adaptec ISA SCSI adapter but the DPT metioned had 4.5 MB of cache. It would be also nice to know how these disk I/O compare to that of NeXT hardware. - Robert Ling
From: alan@curta.cc.columbia.edu (Alan Crosswell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: IBM Value Point <==> NEXTSTEP??? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.210614.4741@news.columbia.edu> Date: 9 Jun 93 21:06:14 GMT References: <1993Jun09.171431.15162@rchland.ibm.com> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University In article <1993Jun09.171431.15162@rchland.ibm.com> tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) writes: > That particular machine uses the S3 chipset for video. I THINK it was a Valuepoint 6384, either model M71, W50, or W70. I have a hard time keeping them all straight. Apparently the Valuepoint 6384 (486DX2 66MHz) is on its second motherboard now. The first did not have VL Bus and also had the old 8250 UART (16450). The new motherboard is VL Bus (one slot) with S3-805 and a 16550 on COM1 and 16450 on COM2. This means it will be usable at 115kb/s rate that will come with the V.fast modems. It also went down to 4 SIMM slots from 8, but you can now mix and match different SIMMs in the slots. The 4M model (W70) comes with 1 4M SIMM and the 8M model (W71) comes with 2 4M SIMMs. With one you get DOS/Windows and the other you get OS/2 preloaded. So figure which one will be more fun to erase to make room for Nextstep :-) The supported Nextstep configuration is available by sending mail to nextanswers@next.com with a subject line of "HELP INDEX" to get started. I am still trying to get an answer regarding a "release note" that is supposed to exist for the Valuepoint along with a rather nebulous promise about a driver update that will be required before it will do better than grayscale VGA video. Knowing that someone actually saw one running makes me feel a little better since I already order it! I got most of this info from IBM PC Company's fax service and then by calling their tech support line (1-800-ps2-2227 I believe) at 11:00 at night where I spoke to a courteous and knowledgeable tech rep who was able to dig up the info for me. /a (spouse of an IBM employee:-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: bkr@drdhh.hanse.de (Bjoern Kriews) Subject: Micropolis 2112 with NeXTstation anyone ? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.231527.20604@drdhh.hanse.de> Summary: Does Micropolis 2112 work with NeXTstattion ? Keywords: Micropolis, Harddisk Organization: Digital Island Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1993 23:15:27 GMT Hi ! If anyone has any experience concerning the Micropolis 2112 disk (1050mb, 10ms) with a NeXTstation (this includes answers like: it works at all), please send me mail. If anyone used it with DrivePerformance, I'd like to see the results. Thanks a lot for your time, Bjoern -- bkr@drdhh.hanse.de - Bjoern Kriews - Stormsweg 6 - D-2000 Hamburg 76 - FRG
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Maxtor 360mb back to 512 byte sectors? Date: 10 Jun 1993 01:04:36 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v61b4INN7pr@clem.handheld.com> References: <1v327dINN4ug@clem.handheld.com> In article <1v327dINN4ug@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: > I'm trying to bring up NSFIP on a Maxtor 360mb drive that has been reformatted > on a black NeXT for 1024 byte sectors. Now, I need to restore it to 512 byte > sectors, and the adaptec 1532C (I think that's the model, it's the "C" one > that's now supported) software won't format it properly. > > Any ideas? > > -- > jmd@handheld.com Well, with the aid of some SCSI tools for the PC, and a Seagate WERN VIII SCSI-II manual, I managed to read the defaults and write them back, and format it back to 512 byte sectors! NSFIP loaded and works great! Jim -- jmd@handheld.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) Subject: Low End Postscript Printers for NS Message-ID: <1993Jun10.034531.16752@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 03:45:31 GMT Okay, now that I will have NextStep at home (finally!) I need a nice printer to go with it. What are people using for low end printers? I was looking at HP LJIIIP, DEC has printer with PS II, TI and NEC. Anything I've missed? Okidata is supposed to have a printer with full FAX and copier functions built-in. Anyone see it? Thanks. -- Jerry S. Weiss j-weiss@nwu.edu Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: thorson@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Bill Thorson) Subject: More about Sony RW Optical on NeXT Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Jun10.065313.36178@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 06:53:13 GMT Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci Well, here's the story. I am trying to get my Pinnacle Micro REO-650 optical drive to work on a NeXTStation 3.0 instead of the Sun it's currently connected to. The NeXT seems to recognize it's name but doesn't seem to get the geometry correct and therfore the making of the filesystem fails. What I am trying to do now is create a disktab file for it. I guess my first question is "has anyone done this already?" If not then I need better information about what the heck a front and back porch are and how to determin what I should put for these in the disktab Thanks Bill -- #!/bin/sh #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# echo Bill Thorson thorson@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu echo Dept of Atmospheric Science +1 303 491-8339 echo Colorado State University echo Ft. Collins, CO 80523 #-----------------------------------------------------------------------#
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: Epson Progression NX video resolution Message-ID: <93Jun05.184041.29126@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 93 18:40:41 GMT References: <1993Jun4.181246.443@arsenal.com> <GISLI.93Jun4150502@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta << As an opening comment, can I make an oft repeated plea that people update the subject line on their messages as appropriate? It's hard to tell what to read when 90% of the messages bear the same subject! >> > > The Epson NX (NOT the Progression) DOES 1120x832 in 16-bit > > Color. Yes, you read it correctly. I saw it at the Expo. I > > was with the NeXT Engineer when he installed it. It looks and > > works very well! > Why does the June 1st compatibility guide not reflect this? Because the driver doesn't ship with 3.1. The Epson NX driver had this capability added late enough in the cycle that the driver couldn't be "validated" in time for the 3.1 release. Epson is currently planning to pre-load the driver at the factory and ship machines with a floppy including the driver in case a rebuild is necessary. I've been told that the hardward modifications necessary COULD be implemented on the Progression NX (I assume they meant at the factory, not by an end user!) but no word of whether or not this will happen. For those that are confused, Epson makes three NeXTSTEP compatible models: The Epson NX, a slim model designed for end users that supports 1120 x 832 The Epson Progression NX, a large developer box preloaded with lots of hardware goodies (SCSI, Ethernet and Sound) that currently maxes at 1024 x 768 The Epson Progression, a predecessor to the Progression NX originally designed for the DOS / Windows market. Originally maxed out at 800 x 600 but should be upgradable to 1024 x 768 (according to the original info I got!) Hope that clears up some of the confusion... -- Blake Stone | Chief Technical Officer bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | DKW Systems Corporation - A NeXT VAR | | ... whatever it was, I didn't say it
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: beig@dmi.ens.fr (Jacques Beigbeder) Subject: Was SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.121521.798@ens.fr> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe Sender: news@ens.fr (USENET News System) Organization: Ecole Normale Superieure, Paris, France References: <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <C81wq1.1nE@chinet.chinet.com> <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 93 12:15:21 GMT We had a problem with a Gigatape with compression connected to a Sun workstation: (DEC, SG, HP) ---- network ---- SS1 ------ Gigatape DAT ^ Suns --------------- network ------+ We used for backups: rdump 0f ELC:/dev/nrst1 /the/partition having in the Gigatape a tape formatted WITH compression. When the dump comes from a DEC, a SG or an HP, backups randomly were unreadable : E241 blinking on the Gigatape. When the dump comes from a Sun, no trouble. The problem ended when we used: dump 0f - /the/partition | gzip | rsh ELC dd of=/dev/nrst1 having in the Gigatape a tape FORMATTED WITHOUT compression. Of course it's longer... but it works! Does anyone encounter the same problem? -- Jacques Beigbeder | Internet: beig@ens.fr Service de Prestations Informatiques | Bitnet : beig@frulm63 Ecole Normale Superieure | 45 rue d'Ulm | Tel : (33-1) 44-32-37-96 F75230 Paris Cedex 05 | Fax : (33-1) 44-32-20-80
From: robert@amo.mit.edu(Robert Lutwak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/FIP and an IDE system Date: 10 Jun 1993 12:55:38 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <1v7b0aINNj6r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <1993Jun9.151441.8897@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> In article <1993Jun9.151441.8897@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> gfin@cyber (Gary Finley) writes: > > I'm interested in building a NeXTSTEP 486 that uses IDE disk > instead of SCSI. Another question in the same vein: If I go out and buy a SCSI card, can I use my NeXT CDROM drive to do the installation? Once I get NFS up and running I don't anticipate needing a CDROM drive on both my cube and NS/I box (In fact, there are no more slots available in the Gateway for a SCSI card anyway). -- Robert Lutwak robert@amo.mit.edu MIT Atomic Resonance and Spectroscopy Laboratory ---- NeXTmail always welcome ----
From: msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Joi L. Ellis) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: Was SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Date: 10 Jun 1993 08:48:46 -0500 Organization: Educational Computing Network Message-ID: <1v7e3u$8c1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> References: <1uejsv$bdi@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun1.035652.25427@resonex.com> <C81wq1.1nE@chinet.chinet.com> <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> <1993Jun10.121521.798@ens.fr> Keywords: SCSI DAT, WangDAT, Cheyenne ArcServe beig@dmi.ens.fr (Jacques Beigbeder) writes: Yes, I have exactly the same sort of problem using a Gigatrend tape with compression on a Novell server with Arcserve. In fact, my tape unit has been belly up since last month, and four calls to the company haven't gotten me a single call back that I know of. I wouldn't recommend Gigatrend products to a dog. They are obscenely overpriced and my unit has been a unreliable lemon since it was installed. And just try to get one repaired! Minimum $1000 if there is the slightest thing wrong with the transport. They insist on installing a brand new transport when a $5 motor burnt out on mine. Mine is currently sitting here with a tape in it that it refuses to eject and I'm not getting ANY help with it. I will NEVER buy another Gigatrend product! >We had a problem with a Gigatape with compression connected to a Sun >workstation: > (DEC, SG, HP) ---- network ---- SS1 ------ Gigatape DAT > ^ > Suns --------------- network ------+ >We used for backups: > rdump 0f ELC:/dev/nrst1 /the/partition >having in the Gigatape a tape formatted WITH compression. >When the dump comes from a DEC, a SG or an HP, backups randomly >were unreadable : E241 blinking on the Gigatape. >When the dump comes from a Sun, no trouble. >The problem ended when we used: > dump 0f - /the/partition | gzip | rsh ELC dd of=/dev/nrst1 >having in the Gigatape a tape FORMATTED WITHOUT compression. >Of course it's longer... but it works! >Does anyone encounter the same problem? >-- >Jacques Beigbeder | Internet: beig@ens.fr >Service de Prestations Informatiques | Bitnet : beig@frulm63 >Ecole Normale Superieure | >45 rue d'Ulm | Tel : (33-1) 44-32-37-96 >F75230 Paris Cedex 05 | Fax : (33-1) 44-32-20-80 -- Joi Ellis msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu Student Residential Programs Western Illinois University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: NS/FIP disk I/O performance Message-ID: <1993Jun10.071241.5347@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1v5da3INN5e3@news.u.washington.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 07:12:41 GMT In article <1v5da3INN5e3@news.u.washington.edu> rling@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Ling) writes: > > Does any body have any disk I/O performance measurements of > the 3 hard disk adapters the NS/FIP supports? > > It would be also nice to know how these disk I/O compare to that > of NeXT hardware. My experience so far with a DPT controller on a NEC PowerMate Express is that it kicks NeXT hardware's butt for SCSI performance. "Noticable improvement" would be a severe understatement. I haven't ran quantitative tests yet, but it's a *very* pleasant change. SCSI throughput was likely my least favorite aspect of NeXT hardware. I'll do some timing soon and post the results. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Low End Postscript Printers for NS Message-ID: <1993Jun10.141110.20007@Princeton.EDU> Date: 10 Jun 93 14:11:10 GMT References: <1993Jun10.034531.16752@news.acns.nwu.edu> Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University Originator: news@nimaster June Byte magazine has a very positive review of a new one from HP --4ML. Four Meg of RAM, Intel 960 processor, Postscript Level II, for list price of $1279! I would like to know if anyone tries this one out... Phil In article <1993Jun10.034531.16752@news.acns.nwu.edu> jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > Okay, now that I will have NextStep at home (finally!) I need a nice > printer to go with it. What are people using for low end printers? > I was looking at HP LJIIIP, DEC has printer with PS II, TI and NEC. > Anything I've missed? Okidata is supposed to have a printer with full FAX > and copier functions built-in. Anyone see it? > > Thanks. > > -- > Jerry S. Weiss > j-weiss@nwu.edu > Dept. Medicine, Northwestern Univ. Medical School, Chicago, Illinois > %SYSTEM-S-PHALOKTARG, Phasers Locked on Target, Ready to Fire -- G. Philippe Menos gpmenos@firestone.princeton.edu [NeXTmail OK.] Systems Administrator, Princeton University Libraries voice: 609-258-5183 fax: 609-258-5571
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: NS/M or NS/I support for a 5.25" DOS floppy drive Date: 10 Jun 1993 15:38:17 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v7kh9$12l@fermat.mayo.edu> Keywords: NeXT hardware floppy 5.25 We are looking to build a "mother of all data converters" for a biochem lab. We are hoping to use a black next as the central server, but the lab will likely have white nexts as well. Several data acquisition devices are front-ended by old PC hardware, using high-density (DSDD) floppies as the 'transfer medium". The end users want us to construct an environment where a bench test is transferred to the floppy, the floppy is taken to a 'single' machine, and an app runs and pulls the data off the floppy and converts/displays the results on the screen. The app then allows the user to manipulate the data through some basic filters and data cleanup. The user then saves the data in 'standard format' on the file server. The users demand for one-stop transfer (floppy onto the black next) is a stumbling block, as we cannot find a 5.25" floppy drive supported under NS. I have a reason tech 486 running NS/I and it does not recognize the 5.25 drive (the 3.5 drive is fine). A) is this a software limitation on NS/I? B) is there 3rd party hardware (like the PLI SCSI 2.88 floppy)? that will provide a SCSI 5.25" floppy for 'black' hardware. I scanned the rags but found none. (no. we cannot network these particular acquistion devices in any way. Those that can be networked (ethernet, appletalk, serial/kermit) have been. 5.25" floppies or nothing, is what the user wants.) pre-emptive thanks to all who respond. -- - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
From: mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/FIP disk I/O performance Date: 10 Jun 1993 16:32:04 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Message-ID: <1v7nm4INN66k@cbl.umd.edu> References: <1v5da3INN5e3@news.u.washington.edu> <1993Jun10.071241.5347@metrosoft.com> Does anyone know if the older PM2012A (note "A" at end) un-cached DPT SCSI controller will work or not? From talking to DPT tech support, with the new ROMs (which I purchased), the only difference between the 2012A and 2012B (latter cached) is the cache memory. Does NeXTstep depend on being able to manipulate that cache any on the DPT board? I have two 2012A's floating around unused. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Mike F. Santangelo + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu [work] Dept. Head-Computer & Network Systems + mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home] UMCEES / CBL (Solomons Island) + BITNET: MIKE@UMUC [fwd to mike@cbl]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) Subject: Logitech Bus Mouse on Black Hardware -- pinouts needed Message-ID: <C8EyGw.25n@fragile.termfrost.org> Organization: Terminal Frost, Springfield OH Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 16:14:56 GMT Someone a while back posted that a Logitech Bus Mouse would work on a non-ADB black slab, given the proper plug and wiring... I've got the plug, and now I need the pinouts... Anyone who can mail them to kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (or, if that dosen't work, kramer@wittenberg.edu) would have my undying gratitude ;-) My NeXT mouse has a short that's getting worse... Mike -- Mike Andrews root@fragile.termfrost.org [NeXTmail OK] kramer@wittenberg.edu (school) "This guy's pretty bizarre, Gus." kramer@mik.uky.edu (hometown) -- Primus
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What 128MB Mo's work w/ black h/w ? Date: 10 Jun 1993 16:20:01 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v7mvhINN3ki@golden.kaleida.com> References: <1v52ol$1sgk@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> > I would like to know what kind of 128 MB MO drives are working > with black hardware! > If you can offer any advice/help puh-leaze share it. > a) Fujitsu M2511A > b) IBM MD3125B. > We have used a 128M MO drive manufactured by Epson (model OMD-5000) on a mono NeXTstation. Just plug it in and it works! The drive came from a company called APS, they're listed in the back of MacWeek. Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu (Vince Netz) Subject: HP DeskJet 500 printer Message-ID: <C8F0p0.IMw@news2.cis.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 16:58:17 GMT I've got the opportunity to get 3 HP DeskJet 500 printers, basically for free, from another department. If they can work, they'd be convenient little personal printers as an adjunct to the lasers. Has anyone out there gotten the jet 500 to work with NS 3.0? I tried some small, short-lived, and admittedly feeble attempts with one, but no go. Perhaps a 3rd party piece of software is required? -- ____ Vince Netz vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu \ / Systems Manager Office: +1 612-626-3136 \/ Quality & Utilization Management FAX: +1 612-626-3524 University of Minnesota Hospital
From: hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What 128MB Mo's work w/ black h/w ? Date: 10 Jun 1993 17:12:24 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v7q1oINN52b@crcnis1.unl.edu> References: <1v52ol$1sgk@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <1v7mvhINN3ki@golden.kaleida.com> marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) writes: >> I would like to know what kind of 128 MB MO drives are working >> with black hardware! >> If you can offer any advice/help puh-leaze share it. >> a) Fujitsu M2511A >> b) IBM MD3125B. >> >We have used a 128M MO drive manufactured by Epson (model OMD-5000) on a >mono NeXTstation. Just plug it in and it works! The drive came from a >company called APS, they're listed in the back of MacWeek. >Paul >................................................................... >Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! >Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com Add one more vote for the 128MO from APS. Works great right out of the box. Hubert Hickman
From: anderson (Ken Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/FIP and ESDI hard drives? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.150243.5902@biztech.com> Date: 10 Jun 93 15:02:43 GMT References: <C8D3IG.6nM@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. In article <C8D3IG.6nM@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com> scollins@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com (Steven Collins) writes: In article <1993Jun9.052342.18905@csus.edu> eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes: >In article <1v2o5m$io3@pith.uoregon.edu> > jfosback@darmok.uoregon.edu (Jason Fosback) writes: > >You really, really don't want to use MFM, RLL, or IDE drives >on a NEXTSTEP (or UNIX, or OS/2, or NT) system. Given that >NS/FIP is distributed on CD-ROM, and CD-ROM drives tend to be >SCSI devices, NS/FIP customers would be SCSI-equipped, and >presumably would go ahead and purchase SCSI drives rather than a >second disk controller. I agree that ESDI support would be nice, >but I can understand why NeXT might consider this a low priority. > > -=EPS=- From what I heard from NeXT developers at the expo is that IDE with DMA was reasonably faster than the fastest SCSI controller NS/FIP supported. -Steve -- In my experience, the DPT controller w/cache is the fastest supported disk subsystem. IDE is right behind it, WAY ahead of SCSI through the Adaptec controller (I would only recommend using the Adaptec for loading from the CD-ROM drive). Ken Anderson anderson@biztech.com Stamford, CT
From: brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Intel P/GX IDE disk speeds? video? (was:Re: Intel P/GX -NS/I Experience) Date: 10 Jun 1993 17:52:52 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v7sdk$2nl@fermat.mayo.edu> References: <1993Jun8.031117.3078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> In article <1993Jun8.031117.3078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: > Having seen much discussion about the Intel vs. Epson, I'd like to relate > my experience with the Intel Professional/GX. > > I have the high-res DX2/66 model (latest HW revision) with 24 MB RAM, an > Adaptec 1542C card (temporary until on-board SCSI is supported), 500 MB > external SCSI HD, Sony 16" 1604S monitor, Intel EtherExpress 16 card, > Microsoft mouse (EEEK!), and Focus 9000 keyboard. > > This machine is a joy to use! However, it was not a joy to install NS/FIP. > Unfortunately, the installation docs are sorely lacking. NeXT needs to > improve these NOW. >[install complaints/joys deleted] > > For general PS rendering, the Intel P/GX is twice the speed of my 25 MHz > Colorstation. (Yes 2X faster). I haven't been able to benchmark the disk > performance, but it 'feels' much faster than my Colorstation. Network > performance also feels faster, but this is probably due to the fact > that the browser is soooo much faster under the Workspace Manager. I am considering either the Epson NX or the Intel P/GX (WS2000) for 10 'user' seats. The NX w/ wingine and internal SCSI looks to be a bit more powered, but the P/GX has the promise of sound, packaging and pentium upgradability. Expansion is not a big deal for us, as long as a 300mb 'performance' disk is inside, and after ethernet is installed a couple of slots remain for options. Anybody have comments on the IDE vs. SCSI speeds of the Intel p/gx? Are IDE drives as fast or faster than the SCSI (say a EISA DPT or the internal SCSI) configurations? I have seen mixed discussions about IDE vs SCSI on the net about this. Did anybody shake down the WS2000 at NWE (or elsewhere) using it's IDE drive, and if so, was there any noticable disk limitation? Also, are we limited by the ATI architecture from going to 1120*832? Since the intel box has no real expansion capabilities for video this could be a long term negative. The epson seems a little 'boxier' for our needs, and the intel's built-in sound sound capabilities make it a bit more attractive, but if intel's internal IDE is slow and the video will never get to a solid 1120*832 driver then what's the point? I need to deploy a turbo color or better in size, speed and visual attributes. -- - Geoff ----------------------------------------------------------------- Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs. Epson Progression NX Message-ID: <1993Jun10.175749.7313@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University References: <1993Jun4.055649.1624@fcom.cc.utah.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 17:57:49 GMT In article <1993Jun4.055649.1624@fcom.cc.utah.edu> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (Yan Fang) writes: > > The Epson's Wingine has a new driver that allows it to run at 1120 x 832 > at 16 bits per pixel. The Intel, which uses an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro, > runs at 1024 x 768 at 16 bits. I'm not aware that anyone has pushed an ATI > at NeXT-native resolution. > If I remember correctly, the high-end configuration tested by NeXTworld (in the new issue) had an ATI with 4Mb and 1120 x 832 resolution .... Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Subject: Re: Video device under NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun10.180859.8097@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University References: <1993Jun3.141524.28276@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 18:08:59 GMT In article <1993Jun3.141524.28276@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Michele Giardini) writes: > Here at the Computer Science Dept. in Milan we are starting a multimedia project > to manage a live video camera. > We'd like to develop it under NEXTSTEP on a PC, but the problem is that there is > no video device supported under the current release of NS/FIP (I've the hardware > compatibility guide here on my desk). > I need to know if someone out there could give me more information about future > (ASAP) support of some kind of video device able to manage the input from a > video camera. > Someone knows if the guys at Pencom are writing the drivers for this devices ??? > > Thanks in advance > Ciao > Michele > There is a product advertised in the new NeXTworld (p 33) by d'ART Software GMBH using Screen Machine (a video integration board) which is supposed to be equivalent to a NeXTdimension system .... It is sold in the US by Alembic Systems International Ltd. Telephone: (303) 799-6223 Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +------------------------------------------------------ -------------- is > no video device supported under the current release of NS/FIP (I've the hardware > compatibility guide here on my desk). > I need to know if someone out there could give me more information about future > (ASAP) support of some kind of video device able to manage the input from a > video camera. > Someone knows if the guys at Pencom are writing the drivers for this devices ??? > > Thanks in advance > Ciao > Michele > There is a product advertised in the new NeXTworld (p 33) by d'ART Software GMBH using Screen Machine (a video integration board) which is supposed to be equivalent to a NeXTdimension system .... It is sold in the US by Alembic Systems International Ltd. Telephone: (303) 799-6223 Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dav@well.sf.ca.us (Paul Davilon) Subject: Dell DGX JAWS Machine Message-ID: <C8F4q3.5LJ@well.sf.ca.us> Keywords: JAWS video Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 18:30:03 GMT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Dell DGX JAWS Machine Keywords: JAWS video I'm going to be putting together a machine that can run NextStep during the next 2 or 3 weeks. Reading through the compatibility guide it seems that the one machine NextStep 486 seems to thrive on the best is the Dell JAWS machine. Which is interestingly enough absent from any Dell catalog I've ever seen. After calling them I was told they are only custom built and take 3 weeks to order. Looking at the specs it looks like a very impressive machine and I plan to order one with a 17" monitor and 500 meg disk, 32 mb ram. My question is this, first, does anyone have any practicial experience with using this machine and can you give me any comments on how well it handles? And second, what exactly is the JAWS Intel standard and if it is a standard then why does it only work with one very specific machine and not even any Intel machines for that matter which support much lower resolutions than the JAWS machine (which seems to have the highest 16bit color resolution in the entire compatibility chart) Slightly confused! dav@well.sf.ca.us dav@phantom.com ?l
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) Subject: Re: Low End Postscript Printers for NS In-Reply-To: jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu's message of Thu, 10 Jun 1993 03:45:31 GMT Message-ID: <BHILL.93Jun10111353@madonna.physics.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@physics.ucla.edu Organization: Dept. of Physics, UCLA References: <1993Jun10.034531.16752@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: 10 Jun 93 11:13:53 In article <1993Jun10.034531.16752@news.acns.nwu.edu> jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > Okay, now that I will have NextStep at home (finally!) I need a nice > printer to go with it. What are people using for low end printers? > I was looking at HP LJIIIP, DEC has printer with PS II, TI and NEC. My LJIIIP is functioning very nicely as a postscript printer. However, it is not "low end." By the time you have purchased a Postscript Level II cartridge, necessary extra RAM, and a paper tray that will hold a good supply of paper, your cost will be around $1600. Also, a post around a month ago made it pretty clear that there are circumstances where Postscript Level I is not adequate, so I wouldn't recommend cutting corners that way. One other comment is that the speed per page varies so much depending on the type and number of pages of postscript that I don't think I can give any meaningful estimate of printing speed. Perhaps there are some benchmarks? --Brian Hill (From: field may be screwed up...sorry...bhill@madonna.physics.ucla.edu)
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Is anyone experiencing problems with spurious DMAinterrupts???? Date: 10 Jun 1993 19:52:14 GMT Organization: University of Houston Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v83de$nss@menudo.uh.edu> Hello, In the past two days, my two servers have been brought down 4 times because of the the following:: Jun 9 12:35:59 server1 mach: spurious DMA interrupt: state 0x1000000 channel 0x2000110 Jun 9 12:36:57 server1 last message repeated 3 times Has anyone had this same type of problem? What could be causing the DMA interrupts? I can't find a reference to them anywhere... Now, these servers are extremely stable. The both average 60-80 days of uptime between reboots. And when they went down, it was a total and complete lock up. The only thing that could be done was to pull the plug.. Sheesh.... 30 minutes to fsck 5G of disks.... Any help is greatly appreciated. I will post a summary (if I get any info).. --- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/fip Installation woes Date: 10 Jun 1993 19:46:19 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <1v832b$qqo@nic.umass.edu> Hey netters, I'm running into problems installing NS/fip on one (actually two) of my machines. The installation process dies when it says: Registering: PCKeyboard0 The floppy drive just keeps spinning at this point... My system consists of: Micronics 486 DX2/66 motherboard with 2 VL-bus slots, and 6 EISA slots (it is recognized during installation as EISA). I'm using an Adaptec 1542B (with floppy disabled), and ATI Graphics Ultra Pro VLB with 2 megs VRAM, a teac 3.5" high density floppy (A:), a toshiba 3401E CDROM drive (external), an Archive Python SCSI DAT drive (external), Focus 9000 keyboard, 16 megs RAM, Nec 6FG...I guess that's about it. The motherboard has 2 serial (disable-able), 1 parallel (disable-able), an IDE, and a floppy port (the IDE is automatically disabled if nothing is connected to it). Oh, the Fujitsu 2266 (1 gig scsi-2) drive is ID0, the CD-ROM is id 1, and the tape is ID 2. I've tried an alternate floppy drive, other keyboards, config=Default... The only time it ever does anything different from the above failure is when I choose config=Default at the boot: prompt. When I do this, it says it can't find several .config files and eventually says "insert file system". After pressing a key, it proceeds just as the above fault except the floppy drive does not spin endlessly. I'm desperate...Oh, the mobo has a Phoenix BIOS v1.01.22-4 (dated 1/15/88). HELP! Joe Fitzgerald fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu
From: jlc@alien.att.com (John L. Chmielewski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/FIP and an IDE system Message-ID: <C8F57C.DCw@cbnewse.cb.att.com> Date: 10 Jun 93 18:40:21 GMT References: <1993Jun9.151441.8897@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1v7b0aINNj6r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@cbnewse.cb.att.com (NetNews Administrator) Organization: AT&T In article <1v7b0aINNj6r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> robert@amo.mit.edu writes: >In article <1993Jun9.151441.8897@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> gfin@cyber (Gary Finley) writes: >> >> I'm interested in building a NeXTSTEP 486 that uses IDE disk >> instead of SCSI. > >Another question in the same vein: > >If I go out and buy a SCSI card, can I use my NeXT CDROM drive to do the installation? > >Once I get NFS up and running I don't anticipate needing a CDROM drive on both my cube >and NS/I box (In fact, there are no more slots available in the Gateway for a SCSI card anyway). NEXTSTEP486 supports the Media Vision ProAudio Spectrum 16 sound card. This soundcard has a built-in SCSI interface at 690KB/sec for a CD_ROM. If NeXT supported this SCSI driver, this could be the way to go for IDE disk systems. As far as CD-ROM drives go, NeXT doesn't really talk about them in the Hardware Compatibility Guide, so I would assume that the NeXT CD-ROM drive would be usable. -- -- John L. Chmielewski jlc@alien.attmail.com
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Anyone have a SCSI controller "for rent"? Date: 10 Jun 1993 20:48:21 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v86mlINNie@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> I am responsible for setting up NEXTSTEP on my research group's new Intel Prof. GX system. However, due to budget constraints, we would prefer to borrow the $250 SCSI controller from someone so that we can temporarily use it to install NEXTSTEP. If anyone in the Boston/Cambridge Massachusetts area has a NEXTSTEP-compatible SCSI controller they would be willing to loan for a few days, please let me know. Thanks, Eric zmonster@athena.mit.edu 617-577-0083
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Re: RAM on Compaq - where'd it go? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.183929.25992@altsys.com> Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX References: <C7pMGu.E6y@sybase.com> <C7qz56.CIy@sybase.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 18:39:29 GMT In article <C7qz56.CIy@sybase.com> brill@sybase.com (Michael Brill) writes: >Follow up to disappearing RAM problem. > >On my EISA Compaq Deskpro 66M, NS only sees 16 megs RAM where actually I >have 64 megs installed. 8 megs are on the motherboard (the maximum) and >the remainder are on a Kingston memory card that is designed to make the >RAM look like Compaq system RAM. DOS's HIMEM.EXE (.SYS) can see all 64 >megs, however if my config.sys looks like: DEVICE=HIMEM.EXE /isaonly >then it only sees 16 megs because ISA is limited to 16 megs. So my guess >is that NS thinks I have an ISA machine and limits RAM to 16 megs. > >Anyone know how to let NS know that I paid about $16,000 for this piece of >@#$%$ and I would be most appreciative if it saw all of my memory? > >Thanks, ...Michael Brill (brill@sybase.com) I can't give you specifics, but it has to do with the linear frame buffer. What you have to do is go into Configure.app and in the video section, look for something having to do with the linear frame buffer. If that doesn't work drop me a line and I'll find out from our other NeXTWorld attendee what we did to fix it there (we had the same problem). Apparently, Compaq does some wacky stuff with memory (I don't have a clue. I'm blissfully ignorant WRT PC HW) Good Luck! -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
From: mitch@mills.edu (Mitch Gass) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/I Hardware Wish List Date: 10 Jun 1993 21:09:00 GMT Organization: Mills College, Oakland CA Distribution: na Message-ID: <1v87tc$ktq@agate.berkeley.edu> The price of NEXTSTEP for Intel processors is fantastic (in particular the academic price), and I'm grateful to NeXT for their generosity and good marketing sense. I'm upgrading my Intel machine--a Gateway 2000 66V local-bus 486--to run NS/I, and in the process I've noticed two bits of hardware support that I think would make NEXTSTEP more appealing to a lot of folks: --Support for IDE CD-ROM drives. These drives are great deals (mine came bundled with the Gateway, so there must be lots of them out there), and they're great for light use (like installing operating systems). Supporting IDE CD-ROMs would really help keep down the price of a complete NS/I system. --Support for Local Bus SCSI controllers. Since local-bus video is practically a requirement for NS/I, there are a lot of people who'll have an empty local bus slot that could be used for a SCSI controller. Right now, only Adaptec ISA SCSI controllers are supported, and local bus controllers should be a lot faster for not a lot of extra money. Mitch Gass mitch@mills.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs. Epson Progression NX Message-ID: <1993Jun10.213422.10681@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University References: <1993Jun10.175749.7313@news.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 21:34:22 GMT Andreas Windemuth (windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu) wrote: : If I remember correctly, the high-end configuration tested by : NeXTworld (in the new issue) had an ATI with 4Mb and 1120 x 832 : resolution .... I am considering to buy the ATI soon, is there any other information on NeXTworld that talk about when does ATI announce the product and how much does it cost? Maybe I should wait for a while .... Mark Lin -------------- u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw ( NOT NeXTmail please )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) Subject: Re: Intel Professional GX vs. Epson Progression NX Message-ID: <1993Jun10.213938.21345@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University References: <1993Jun10.175749.7313@news.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 21:39:38 GMT In article <1993Jun10.175749.7313@news.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > In article <1993Jun4.055649.1624@fcom.cc.utah.edu> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu > (Yan Fang) writes: > > > > The Epson's Wingine has a new driver that allows it to run at 1120 x 832 > > at 16 bits per pixel. The Intel, which uses an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro, > > runs at 1024 x 768 at 16 bits. I'm not aware that anyone has pushed an ATI > > at NeXT-native resolution. > > > > If I remember correctly, the high-end configuration tested by > NeXTworld (in the new issue) had an ATI with 4Mb and 1120 x 832 > resolution .... > Correction: That is 1280 by 1024 color on a PCI ATI Mach 32, 4M VRAM Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St t allows it to run at 1120 x 832 > > at 16 bits per pixel. The Intel, which uses an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro, > > runs at 1024 x 768 at 16 bits. I'm not aware that anyone has pushed an ATI > > at NeXT-native resolution. > > > > If I remember correctly, the high-end configuration tested by > NeXTworld (in the new issue) had an ATI with 4Mb and 1120 x 832 > resolution .... > Correction: That is 1280 by 1024 color on a PCI ATI Mach 32, 4M VRAM Andreas Windemuth +-------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu +------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: alan@curta.cc.columbia.edu (Alan Crosswell) Subject: Re: IBM Value Point <==> NEXTSTEP??? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.220044.22480@news.columbia.edu> Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News) Organization: Columbia University References: <1993Jun9.210614.4741@news.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 22:00:44 GMT I received this followup on the Valuepoint from nextedge tech support: Status of IBM ValuePoint Systems: We only run on the new D, S and T series systems. These are the recently announced systems that include a VESA LocalBus (VL-Bus) slot. We do NOT support any of the older ValuePoint Systems. Two other important notes... SCSI only - We do not currently support IDE hard drives in these systems, in order to install the system, you must use a SCSI drive with and Adaptec 154x adapter. We will be looking into the IDE problem, and hope to have an answer soon. Graphics Driver - The ValuePoint D, S, T series use a Custom LocalBus S3-805 graphics system. The driver included with 3.1 does not support this custom implementation. We will have a driver update disk out by early July that will include this driver.
From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Is anyone experiencing problems with spurious DMAinterrupts???? Date: 10 Jun 1993 22:32:46 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v8cqe$dls@ni.umd.edu> References: <1v83de$nss@menudo.uh.edu> In article <1v83de$nss@menudo.uh.edu> sears@uh.edu writes: > >Hello, > > In the past two days, my two servers have been brought down 4 times >because of the the following:: > >Jun 9 12:35:59 server1 mach: spurious DMA interrupt: state 0x1000000 >channel 0x2000110 >Jun 9 12:36:57 server1 last message repeated 3 times > >Has anyone had this same type of problem? What could be causing the DMA >interrupts? I can't find a reference to them anywhere... More than likely, you are experiencing excessive (or maybe just a bunch) of ethernet collisions. Clearly, this state of affairs shouldn't result in your system crashing or hanging. Louis Mamakos
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Subject: NeXT laser and a 486 Message-ID: <1993Jun10.203037.379@weston.com> Sender: jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 20:30:37 GMT Is there any way to hook a next laser to a 486. Is anyone working on a card and driver? thanks -- Wes Spears <-------> jspears@weston.com (NeXTMail Welcome) The Weston Group 8524 Highway 6 North, 162, Houston, TX 77095
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Need new Compaq QVision driver for QVision 1280/E Message-ID: <C8HBzo.AD5@news.otago.ac.nz> From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 23:02:12 GMT Sender: usenet@news.otago.ac.nz (News stuff) Organization: University of Otago Hi there netters, I have a problem, cos we are way down here in New Zealand, we wont get the copies of NS/Intel we have ordered for a couple of weeks :-(. We have a beta version, but the Compaq QVision driver will only talk to the QVision 1024/E not the 1280/E. We need to do a demo using the 1280 before we can get the final release of NS/Intel. Could someone possibly NeXTmail mme a copy of the new QVision.config? While you are at it you could send the ATIUltraPro.config as well so we can change the display refresh rate to something less painfull than 60Hz. Many thanks, Alastair ===================================================================== = Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 Chief Programmer, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 The Black Albatross Project, | e-mail: University of Otago, | alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz Department of Computer Science, | P.O. Box 56 | NeXTmail Welcome! Dunedin | New Zealand | "God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son, to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life" John 3:16, paraphrase. ===================================================================== =
From: hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel P/GX IDE disk speeds? video? (was:Re: Intel P/GX -NS/I Experience) Date: 11 Jun 1993 00:34:09 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v8ju1INNbuk@crcnis1.unl.edu> References: <1993Jun8.031117.3078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1v7sdk$2nl@fermat.mayo.edu> brunkhorst@mayo.edu (Geoff Brunkhorst) writes: >In article <1993Jun8.031117.3078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu >(Michael McCulloch) writes: >> Having seen much discussion about the Intel vs. Epson, I'd like to relate >> my experience with the Intel Professional/GX. >> >> I have the high-res DX2/66 model (latest HW revision) with 24 MB RAM, an >> Adaptec 1542C card (temporary until on-board SCSI is supported), 500 MB >> external SCSI HD, Sony 16" 1604S monitor, Intel EtherExpress 16 card, >> Microsoft mouse (EEEK!), and Focus 9000 keyboard. >> >> This machine is a joy to use! However, it was not a joy to install NS/FIP. >> Unfortunately, the installation docs are sorely lacking. NeXT needs to >> improve these NOW. >>[install complaints/joys deleted] >> >> For general PS rendering, the Intel P/GX is twice the speed of my 25 MHz >> Colorstation. (Yes 2X faster). I haven't been able to benchmark the disk >> performance, but it 'feels' much faster than my Colorstation. Network >> performance also feels faster, but this is probably due to the fact >> that the browser is soooo much faster under the Workspace Manager. >I am considering either the Epson NX or the Intel P/GX (WS2000) for 10 >'user' seats. The NX w/ wingine and internal SCSI looks to be a bit >more powered, but the P/GX has the promise of sound, packaging and >pentium upgradability. Expansion is not a big deal for us, as long as >a 300mb 'performance' disk is inside, and after ethernet is installed a couple >of slots remain for options. >Anybody have comments on the IDE vs. SCSI speeds of the Intel p/gx? >Are IDE drives as fast or faster than the SCSI (say a EISA DPT or the internal >SCSI) configurations? I have seen mixed discussions about IDE vs SCSI on the >net about this. Did anybody shake down the WS2000 at NWE (or elsewhere) using >it's IDE drive, and if so, was there any noticable disk limitation? >The epson seems a little 'boxier' for our needs, and the intel's built-in sound >sound capabilities make it a bit more attractive, but if intel's internal >IDE is slow and the video will never get to a solid 1120*832 driver then >what's the point? I need to deploy a turbo color or better in size, speed >and visual attributes. >-- >- Geoff >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Geoffrey Brunkhorst brunkhorst@Mayo.edu >Research Computing Facility, Guggenheim 10 (507) 284-1805 >Mayo Foundation, Rochester MN, 55905, USA fax (507) 284-5231 We have an Intel/GX Professional with the (gulp) 525 Meg internal IDE. One of our main criterions in choosing this machine was that it is reasonably portable and we will be moving it quite a bit to give demos, etc. The on-board SCSI on the GX only has an external connector, so even after the SCSI driver is done there isn't a way to put a SCSI disk internally without putting in a SCSI card. The internal drive bay on the GX takes a 1" high IDE drive - and 525 Meg is about the most you can get right now in that form factor, although there are larger drives on the way. We have an Adaptec 1542B ISA SCSI card (why we have this vs. the DPT is a long story. We first went with a Gateway but just had loads and loads of trouble with the Gateway).... The internal drive is the Quantum LPS525AT drive. We have also used an external Maxtor LXT-340 SCSI drive as a boot device for the system just to run some tests. I was expecting better performance out of the SCSI versus the IDE drive but in doing some compiles the results were somewhat surprising. For one app the compile time while using the SCSI as the boot device (and not accessing the IDE at all) took 5.5 minutes. The same compile running off the IDE drive took 4.5 minutes (I doublechecked these because I didn't beleive them at first). I suspect the DPT EISA card would easily beat both of these figures. Why the time difference above? I think that on one hand, the Quantum LPS525AT is a *fast* IDE drive. Quoted access times are in the 10ms range. The Maxtor LXT-340 (I think I have the numbers right) is fairly slow as far as SCSI devices are concerned - with a 16ms access time. PLUS the Adaptec 1542B seems to be a relatively slow card since it is an ISA card. It would be interesting to see some comparisions with the Quantum LPS525 SCSI drive on a DPT SCSI card. I too had trouble with the installation of NSi on the GX - there was a DMA conflict with the IDE drive. Once that was resolved, it has worked like a charm. I like the Intel GX box very much. For "client" type machines it would be a good choice. In fact, one of the reasons we went with an IDE drive was to be able to tell our customers that "yes - NSi works fine with IDE and is usable". We have "only" 24 Megs of RAM on the box and it is very zippy. The IDE drive, while not the fastest in the world is *very* usable. We could use more RAM, of course, but 24 Megs makes a reasonable entry level color machine. The other nice thing about the Intel box is that it is *quiet*. My slab with the external drive and printer nearby wails like a banshee in comparison. Hubert Hickman hubert@hepar.unmc.edu (preferred) hickman@cse.unl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Intel P/GX and NS/FIP Experience (long) Message-ID: <1993Jun11.001135.16136@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1993Jun8.031117.3078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 00:11:35 GMT In article <1993Jun8.031117.3078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch)...that's me...wrote: (Sorry about the length of this, however, some expressed sincere appreciation for the previous info.) > Having seen much discussion about the Intel vs. Epson, I'd like to relate > my experience with the Intel Professional/GX. > > I have the high-res DX2/66 model (latest HW revision) with 24 MB RAM, an > Adaptec 1542C card (temporary until on-board SCSI is supported), 500 MB > external SCSI HD, Sony 16" 1604S monitor, Intel EtherExpress 16 card, > Microsoft mouse (EEEK!), and Focus 9000 keyboard. > > This machine is a joy to use! However, it was not a joy to install NS/FIP. > Unfortunately, the installation docs are sorely lacking. NeXT needs to > improve these NOW. > > Installation gripes: [gripes/joys deleted...] Also, I experienced some difficulty with getting the keyboard to work during the installation process. The docs say for some machines, you must hit return at the boot> prompt in order for the keyboard to work. A generous 5 sec delay at the boot> prompt is also mentioned. Well, for the initial floppy boot, the delay was more like 1/2 sec. This was the cause of about 5 machine resets (since the keyboard wouldn't work when I got to the language selection step). Hitting the '?' key was the easiest way to get the process to stop at the boot> prompt. Once the OS is loaded, the delay is much more reasonable. > For general PS rendering, the Intel P/GX is twice the speed of my 25 MHz > Colorstation. (Yes 2X faster). I haven't been able to benchmark the disk > performance, but it 'feels' much faster than my Colorstation. Network > performance also feels faster, but this is probably due to the fact > that the browser is soooo much faster under the Workspace Manager. I have some additional info about relative performance. **These benchmarks are provided FYI and should not be considered gospel.** The following benchmarks compare my 25 MHz Colorstation (32 MB RAM) and my Intel P/GX DX2/66 (24 MB RAM). The values are averages of two runs for each benchmark (times were consistent between runs): --Colorstation-- --Intel P/GX-- Postscript Rendering using Preview.app (A complex EPS 3D plot generated by Mathematica) 55 sec 27 sec Floating Point (My own program which does an iteration on some complex flow equations) 90 sec 45 sec SCSI Sustained Transfer Rate (Copied a 35 MB file to another location on ST-11200N (10 ms)* ST-1581N (14 ms)* the same disk) 134 sec 137 sec Compilation Time (Compiled a small custom app -- optimized) 104 sec 101 sec *Seagate SCSI HD model #'s and access time specs. So...the disk performance is about 260 KB/s sustained on both machines, which is not too hot. It appears the Adaptec 1542C on the Intel will give you about equal disk performance to a Colorstation. I bought the Adaptec as a temporary measure until the on-board SCSI-II is supported. The DPT is probably a hot card, however, at $355 best price + MEGA BUCKS for the caching options, I can make due for now. The P/GX does support DMA transfer for the IDE interface, so the disk performance could be significantly better using IDE. However, the IDE support is internal and can only accept a 1" drive. I do not have the resources to test the IDE speed. I'd be interested in some benchmarks for the internal IDE myself. > Yes, the windows do 'tear' a little more, however, I don't care as much > about that as I do the rendering speed. And the Intel P/GX leaves my > Colorstation in the dust on that score... Although I was hasty in my assessment of the disk speed, the rendering speed *is* twice as fast on the Intel P/GX. This is an important speed-up, IMHO. Any drawing or Renderman-based apps are significantly faster on the Intel P/GX. Everything is generally snappier -- browsers, animations, text scrolling... > I highly recommend the Intel P/GX DX2/66. With the addition of drivers > for the on-board CD-quality in/out audio (promised for 3.2) and the > on-board SCSI-II (rumored for 3.2), this will be an even hotter machine. > Add the Pentium upgrade and well... I still highly recommend the machine. Hopefully, the drivers for the on-board SCSI-II and excellent audio will address the machine's current disadvantages. As far as 1024x768, I have not found this to be an agravation. In fact, I am beginning to prefer the smaller screen since I do not have to move the mouse as much. You might think twice before you sink major bucks into less than 100 additional pixels. In fact, if you have a NeXT, set the screen resolution to 1024x768 via NetInfo and play with it to get the feel. > If you want some *real* info on the machine, call Intel's Literature > Distribution Center at 1-800-548-4725. You'll receive a *detailed* > description of the machine's capabilities. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
From: dave@downie.commerce.ubc.ca (David Downie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Is anyone experiencing problems with spurious DMAinterrupts???? Date: 11 Jun 1993 01:34:53 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v8nftINN55c@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <1v8cqe$dls@ni.umd.edu> In article <1v8cqe$dls@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: [stuff about spurious DMA interupts deleted] > More than likely, you are experiencing excessive (or maybe just a > bunch) of ethernet collisions. Clearly, this state of affairs shouldn't > result in your system crashing or hanging. > > Louis Mamakos > We had someone on our network who had a bad ethernet cable and resulted in massive tie-ups on the ethernet on our floor--nothing got in or out of the network until that machine was unplugged. It did hang a number of machines and mine showed a number of spurious DMA interupts. -- Ph.D. Student, Finance Division, Faculty of Commerce, UBC e-mail: dave@downie.commerce.ubc.ca (NeXT mail welcome) Disclaimer: These are my opinions only and should not be confused with anything rational or relevant. *** finger for PGP 2.2 public key block ***
From: glenn@iridium.digex.net Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HP DeskJet 500 printer Date: 11 Jun 1993 01:54:24 GMT Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1v8okg$csk@news1.digex.net> References: <C8F0p0.IMw@news2.cis.umn.edu> In article <C8F0p0.IMw@news2.cis.umn.edu> vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu (Vince Netz) writes: > > I've got the opportunity to get 3 HP DeskJet 500 printers, basically for > free, from another department. If they can work, they'd be convenient > little personal printers as an adjunct to the lasers. Has anyone out > there gotten the jet 500 to work with NS 3.0? I tried some small, > short-lived, and admittedly feeble attempts with one, but no go. > Perhaps a 3rd party piece of software is required? > > > > > -- > ____ Vince Netz vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu > \ / Systems Manager Office: +1 612-626-3136 > \/ Quality & Utilization Management FAX: +1 612-626-3524 > University of Minnesota Hospital I use a DJ 500 with my NeXTstation running 3.0. I hav e the commercial program DOTS by D'Art software of Germany. I don't have an addres handy for them right now though. The DJ 500 is great for my neads, small amounts of printing at reasonably high quality, for letters, resumes, etc. I think it is a good low cost solution! Go for it. There is also a public domain driver for the DJ but I have not had any experience with it. Glenn -- Glenn D. Rempe (NeXTMAIL) glenn@iridium.digex.net 900 North Stafford St., #2017 Arlington, VA 22203-1849 USA Voice: (703) 276-2350
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.misc From: sieu@cory.Berkeley.EDU ( TECKCHENG SIEU) Subject: Desktop 3.0 is available. Desktop is not a fraud! Message-ID: <1993Jun11.020056.3543@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: sieu@cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 02:00:56 GMT Firstly, I am sorry for taking up the bandwidth. Someone asked if Desktop is a fraud. So, I think I have to post this article. By the way, can someone teach me how to post announcements to comp.sys.next.announce? Desktop is not a fraud. And users usually received the copy# and license# soon after they sent in the check. But a week before the Expo, I have to admit that I was thrashing. I was porting the software, negotiating with a company, preparing for the Expo and at the same time, packing up my personal belongings. I moved back to Singapore immediately after NeXTWorld Expo because I have to start working in Singapore real soon. Everything came at the same time! Anyway, I managed to demo Desktop 3.0 (fat binaries with new goodies added) during the Expo and all my belongings shipped back to Singapore. Very soon, Desktop will be distributed in US and Europe solely by a company. I believe the service and supported offered will be excellent. Meanwhile, if you really really cannot afford to wait, you can buy Desktop 3.0 directly from me at the old price -- US$30 before the company becomes the sole distributor in US and Europe. (I sincerely urge you to buy Desktop from the company instead because it will give better service and support though it may charge you a bit more). The new pricing will be available from the company shortly. I have not forgotten those who have bought copies of Desktop during the NeXTWorld Expo and in the NeXT software porting lab while I was porting Desktop. Please send me the hostid of your machine to get the copy# and license#. Lastly, I hope you could bear with me for the inconveniences caused while I moved back to Singapore. I can be reached at: Johnson Sieu Blk 361, Bukit Batok St 31 #09-457 Singapore 2365 Singapore fax/voice: 011-65-566-9195 (made possible by a fax/voice autoswitch) Singapore mail address: sieu@mailhost.scs.com.sg US mail address: sieu@cory.berkeley.edu (will expire in September) PS: 1. Please don't send checks to the P.O. Box 367 anymore. Thank you. 2. Bug report and suggestions welcomed. (NeXTmail ok but not preferred).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Intel P/GX and NS/FIP Experience Message-ID: <1993Jun11.032325.22964@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1993Jun8.031117.3078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1993Jun11.001135.16136@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 03:23:25 GMT In article <1993Jun11.001135.16136@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch)...me again... wrote: >I have some additional info about relative performance. >**These benchmarks are provided FYI and should not be considered gospel.** > >The following benchmarks compare my 25 MHz Colorstation (32 MB RAM) and >my Intel P/GX DX2/66 (24 MB RAM). The values are averages of two runs >for each benchmark (times were consistent between runs): > > --Colorstation-- --Intel P/GX-- > [...other benchmarks deleted] > >SCSI Sustained Transfer Rate >(Copied a 35 MB file >to another location on ST-11200N (10 ms)* ST-1581N (14 ms)* >the same disk) 134 sec 137 sec > >*Seagate SCSI HD model #'s and access time specs. > >So...the disk performance is about 260 KB/s sustained on both >machines, which is not too hot. It appears the Adaptec 1542C on the >Intel will give you about equal disk performance to a Colorstation. Well, sometimes stupid mistakes are made...try doubling that 260 KB/s figure to 520 KB/s. I *copied* the file after all, so the data was moved twice. This is more in line with other benchmark figures I've obtained on my Colorstation. It has also been pointed out to me that I'm measuring *total system throughput*, which is a combination of many factors. Also, without testing the same drive, you cannot assume validity of the comparison due to differing cache size, access times, firmware overhead, etc. I'm just trying to get some info out there, so correct me, but please be gentle... %^) -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: next 17" color monitor useful as pc monitor? Message-ID: <C8ExDw.1CL@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <C8Dtr9.5nH@news.otago.ac.nz> Distribution: comp Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 15:51:32 GMT You can use the NeXT monitor on a Mac or a PC with the correct cable, but there are some caveats. On the Mac you need to open the monitor and adjust it. I've seen a FIMI running on a Mac with several 3rd party cards. After the monitor was adjusted there were no problems. The cable had to be changed slightly because on a Mac the red and blue were switched. On a PC you need a cable that is VGA <--> NeXT Monitor (don't know whre to get one) And the monitor will need some adjusting. I don't think just any card will work. You need a card that has an adjustable scan rate. I'm sure with the right adjustments you can do 1024x768 on the NeXT monitor. The other thing is that you won't be able to read boot messages since the hardware will assume that the monitor will do 80x25 text. I currently have a Weitek graphics card im my other machine and have a WYSE workstation monitor connected to it. It works great once the screen driver is loaded. Before the driver is loaded the screen is garbage. So if the hassle is worth it use it if not I suggest one of the 17" Sony monitors for ~$1000. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) Subject: Re: S3-805 Driver with 2MB ? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.162331.11254@elysia.fdn.org> Sender: luis@elysia.fdn.org Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. References: <1993Jun7.151944.7070@email.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 16:23:31 GMT In article <1993Jun7.151944.7070@email.tuwien.ac.at> hoenigs@aragorn (Oliver Hoenigsberger) writes: > > Does Next develop an S3-Driver for S3-cards with 2MB Video-Buffer ? > > -- > -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- > > Oliver H. A. Hoenigsberger > > Fax: ++43-1-504-1580 > > SMail: Vienna Center for Neural Networks > Technische Universitaet Wien > Wiedner Hauptstr. 7/VCNN > A-1040 Wien, Austria I talked to some of the Dell people at NeXTWORLD Expo who claimed that NeXTSTEP will run in color on their machines with the S3 Local Bus. However, the ones I saw running where in gray-scale. -- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: SUMMARY: Need hardware recommendations for lab Message-ID: <1993Jun11.070608.5409@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 07:06:08 GMT I couple of days ago, I posted a query asking for recommendations for 486 hardware vendors suitable for labs (original posting included last in this message). Thanks for all replies. I promised to summarize, so here we go. As I feared, most replies were of the form: "I don't know, but please let me know what you find out". This indicates to me that there are is demand for this kind of vendor. Any ".com" address listening? I got one reply from a vendor that specializes in NeXT systems, Random Access. Send email to "ttautz@randomaccess.com" for more info. Random Access will deliver pre-installed NeXTstep, but did not have an academic pricing option for the pre-installed software. Random Access will try and get NeXT to agree to some deal that would enable them to sell pre-installed software at the academic price, and would appreciate hearing from people who are seriously interested in buying so that they can give NeXT some "hard" numbers. It seems to me that NeXT will eventually have to set up some kind of mechanism whereby dealers can deliver pre-installed software for academic users, so help them negotiate, or contact NeXT directly. One person had come to the same conclusion that I already had, namely that HP is a good candidate, because they are used to dealing with institutions, may provide RISC upgrades, and sell tape drives and laser printers as well. The Intel GX Professional available through ANDI was recommended by <wc@phyhost.davidson.edu>: > We have had good luck with the Intel GX Professional workstation. > It is a 66 MHz machine with EISA bus and a lot of extras. You > can get them (with 8 Meg RAM and no hard drive, no keyboard and > no mouse-- from Pioneer Electronics for a good price if you are > a member of ANDI.) A complete system with 24 Meg memory and a > nice monitor can be put together for about $4,000. The cost to > join ANDI is $100 for educational institutions. > > Here is the info. > > Wolfgang Christian > > Begin forwarded message: > > Date: Wed, 12 May 93 13:42:22 -0400 > From: Bill Strehl <bill@nextsrv1.andi.org> > To: ANDIBoard@nextsrv1.andi.org, Corporate@nextsrv1.andi.org, > Corporate-ASCII@nextsrv1.andi.org, Dealer@nextsrv1.andi.org, > Developer-Individual@nextsrv1.andi.org, Individual@nextsrv1.andi.org, > NeXT-User-Groups@nextsrv1.andi.org > Subject: Intel GX workstation price changes > Reply-To: bill@nextsrv1.andi.org > > ANDI announces a change in the Intel discount program. We are > pleased to have been able to get machines in the hands of developers > prior to the NeXTWORLD Expo. The special offer of $2235 expires > at the end of the day, Monday, May 17. Anyone who places an > order and is a paid ANDI member as of that date will be able to > purchase up to two systems. > > Beginning Tuesday, May 18, a new program will go into effect > which provides developers and reseller's with special pricing > options. > > DESCRIPTION > > Intel Professional GX Work Station, 66Mhz, 8MB RAM, 64K Cache, > 2MB VRAM, on board SCSI, on board audio, one 3.5 inch internal > floppy drive, one 1 inch internal IDE drive bay, 2 full length > EISA slots, 1 1/2 length (approximately) ISA slot. (no mouse, > keyboard, or monitor) > > Note: Intel is writing the SCSI driver and having the audio > driver written. You will not be able to boot from an external > SCSI disk under the NeXSTEP release that ships at the end of May. > > The pricing is as follows: > > Membership category Price Limits > > Corporate member $2335 Unlimited quantity > (also Govt/Education) > Developer-Individual $2400 Limit of 10 > Individual $2600 Limit of 2 > (also User Group) > Non-member price: $2700 Unlimited quantity > > In case you are interested in the cost of annual ANDI membership: > > Individual: $100 > User Group: $175 > Developer-Individual $275 > Government/Education $1000 > Corporate $1500 > > As of Monday, May 17, ANDI members will be able to call the ANDI > Intel Order Desk which will be a toll free 800 number. We will > announce the number by the end of the week. > > ANDI is pleased to also announce that if you want a system for > the NeXTWORLD Expo or would like to order one and pick it up at > the Expo, we can make arrangements to make this possible. Credit > card orders will be accepted as on Monday. > > Until Monday, for more information on ordering or pricing on > complete systems, call Bruce Tucker at 301-921-3983. Several people recommended Workstation 2000: Tim Finnegan Workstation 2000 (619) 723-4827 FAX (619) 723-4392 tfinn@cerf.net John Glover <glover@tree.egr.uh.edu> recommended Epson: > The easiest to order, best performing might be just to order an > Epson NX or Epson Progression NX. Epson is trying to offer the > best ready-to-run NEXTSTEP system, and they do indeed have the > best-performing system. Those configurations come with 20 MB > memory, Ethernet cards, and NEXTSTEP preinstalled. Ready to go. > > Dell and others also have prepackaged systems, but you will have > to do more configuring on your own. but Jim Hill <jim@pasteur.hsf.uab.edu> writes: > We are in the process of evaluating 486 hardware for running > NextStep. I'll try to keep you informed as we continue our > evaluation. > > Do you have the latest 'Hardware Compatability Guide' (dated June 1)? > > We eliminated the following vendors due to hardware reliability > and/or their knowledge of their support for NextStep: ALR, Epson, > Gateway, IBM, Lucky Goldstar. In summary, there is still a great deal of uncertainty about which vendors/manufacturers are suitable, although there are some choices that seem pretty safe. Again, thanks to all that responded, and please note that I do not endorse any of the choices above; I am only summarizing what others wrote me. I hope this helps someone, -Magnus --- Magnus Nordborg magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred) Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-5020 +1 (415) 723-4952 (office) Here is my original question: > I frequently find myself in the position of advising other > scientists on computer purchases for their labs. I still want > to recommend NeXTstep but I run into the problem of the jungle > of hardware configurations available. Keeping track of available > workstation configurations plus Macintosh was trivial in comparison. > > If I were to do the purchasing myself I could get the information, > but I need to give concise recommendations to people who are not > sure about the difference between ROM, RAM, and hard disk "memory", > and do not even want to *think* about graphics adapters and such. > > What I need is to be able to recommend a few specific vendors > that can be trusted to put together good packages at a reasonable > price, and who know what NeXTstep is. They also need to understand > that the machines will be on the Internet, use the client-server > "paradigm" (insert post-modern finger quotes :), need 32 MB RAM > (without resorting to talk about "power users") and so on. > > I would greatly appreciate your experiences and other hints. I > will summarize. > > Thanks, Magnus
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: Logitech Bus Mouse on Black Hardware -- pinouts needed Message-ID: <1993Jun11.064558.7328@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <C8EyGw.25n@fragile.termfrost.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 06:45:58 GMT In article <C8EyGw.25n@fragile.termfrost.org> kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) writes: > Someone a while back posted that a Logitech Bus Mouse would work on a non-ADB > black slab, given the proper plug and wiring... > > I've got the plug, and now I need the pinouts... > > Anyone who can mail them to kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (or, if that dosen't > work, kramer@wittenberg.edu) would have my undying gratitude ;-) My NeXT > mouse has a short that's getting worse... > Please post it if you get an answer - I've seen a few people ask or discuss this thread before, and the NeXT mouse gets kind of ratty with the molding on it - in any case, it would be nice to have an "upgrade" path for the Mouse on black HW without resorting to chasing down Bell ... -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
From: alexk@informix.com (Alexander Koerner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.laptops Subject: Which notebook to buy for NEXTSTEP/Intel? Message-ID: <1993Jun10.170901.17045@informix.com> Date: 10 Jun 93 17:09:01 GMT Sender: news@informix.com (Usenet News) Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Organization: Informix Software, Inc. Originator: alexk@cheetah Hi there, I'm currently investigating, which might be a good, fairly priced notebook to buy to run NEXSTEP/Intel. I already have seen the NEC UltraLite Versa 25C with 12MB/180MB disk and it looks great... ...but I suppose there might be some other interesting alternatives especially from the pricing point of view. Is anybody already using NS/Intel on a 486 notebook and is willing to share his/her experience with the net??? Many thanks in advance & greetings, Alexander -- Alexander Koerner @ Informix Software Germany Email: alexk@informix.com (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: aoki@physics.ucla.edu (Ken-ichiro Aoki) Subject: *Help* info needed on non-NeXT color monitor for NSTC Message-ID: <AOKI.93Jun11042327@gauss.physics.ucla.edu> Summary: cable for Nanao T560i? Sender: usenet@physics.ucla.edu Organization: Dept. of Physics, UCLA Date: 11 Jun 93 04:23:27 My color monitor for the NeXT station Color Turbo got damaged by the shipper and I have to fix it or get a new monitor. The good news is that I had it insured so that I will recover around $2.1k. (The bad news is that I am in Tokyo, where things are probably more $$, but this is a long story.) Anyway, I am thinking of getting a Nanao Flexscan T560i, which people mentioned a while back. Now the problem is getting hold of the cable. I talked to a Nanao guy; he knew about NeXT's, knew T560i works with NeXT's (this is very very rare, pleasant experience) and he said that I will need a cable called a 'RGB cable' which NeXT (used?) to sell. Supposedly this connects the slab to the BNC. (or is it an adapter for the NeXT monitor pinout to BNC?) So gang, could you share me some of your wisdom? Which cable do I need to get and where can I get it? I am in Tokyo so if I can get it in Tokyo it would be great, but if it is in the US, I will ask my friends to send it to me, so it will be OK also. Btw, if people have other monitors they can recommend, that would be great also. (Nanao is pretty expensive but currently the only one i know works with NeXT's). If you can give me info also on the cabling, that would be great. I suspect SONY, NEC, probably also have monitors that work (except that their product line is so large and I have no idea which ones work). Thanks a lot for any info. If I cannot get hold of the cable, I will fix & go back to my Fimi monitor, but since I can get a nanao for a couple of hundred bucks I would really like to go for it...... Email preferred; if there is any info which I think might be useful to other NeXTers, I will summarize. -- ___Kenichiro Aoki (aoki@physics.ucla.edu) Dept.of Physics, UCLA. Currently at Dept. of Physics, Tokyo Inst.of Technology (ken@phys,titech.ac.jp) (but having problems posting from there....)
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Video device under NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun11.030600.309@imani.cam.org> Date: 11 Jun 93 03:06:00 GMT References: <1993Jun10.180859.8097@news.columbia.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1993Jun10.180859.8097@news.columbia.edu> windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu (Andreas Windemuth) writes: > In article <1993Jun3.141524.28276@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> > michi@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Michele Giardini) writes: [Stuff about need for video input] > > > > Thanks in advance > > Ciao > > Michele > > > [info about german product from ad in NW mag] Long term: NEXTIME is supposed to work with VideoSpigot for PC. This board does video input, at least (not sure about output here). Not 'till Q1 '94 at the earliest, but I keep it in mind and salivate at the tought... 8^)> Ciao > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------- > |Columbia University, Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics, BB-221 > |630 West 168th St. | tel: (212)-305-6884, fax: 6926, NeXTmail > |New York, NY 10032 | email: windemut@cumbne.bioc.columbia.edu > +------------------------------------------------------ My 2,57 cents CAN (bafore taxes). -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)<
From: gt8855a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bert Lindgren) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/Intel and Tseng-Labs ET-4000 Graphics Chip Summary: Any luck with any ET-4000 boards?? Message-ID: <101026@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: 7 Jun 93 15:13:06 GMT Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology We have been able to use our Ventek ChromaGold Graphics Card (based on the Tseng-Labs ET-4000 Graphics chip) as a SVGA card (640x480), but we've not been able to use it in the 1024x768 mode that the HW compatibility guide mentions as possible (the chip is capable, but no specific cards are listed). Has anyone had better luck? Thanks, Bert -- Bert Lindgren Georgia Tech, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 (404) 841-6220 Internet: bert@cc.gatech.edu Prodigy: Surely you jest >>>>>>>>>>>> NeXT Mail always enjoyed and appreciated <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hoenigs@aragorn (Oliver Hoenigsberger) Subject: S3-805 Driver with 2MB ? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.151944.7070@email.tuwien.ac.at> Sender: news@email.tuwien.ac.at Organization: Technical University of Vienna Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 15:19:44 GMT Does Next develop an S3-Driver for S3-cards with 2MB Video-Buffer ? -- -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- Oliver H. A. Hoenigsberger Fax: ++43-1-504-1580 SMail: Vienna Center for Neural Networks Technische Universitaet Wien Wiedner Hauptstr. 7/VCNN A-1040 Wien, Austria
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: davec@comspec.com (Dave Carlton) Subject: NEXTSTEP/FIP work with ALR EVOLUTION V? Organization: Comspec Communications, Inc. Distribution: na Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 08:40:03 GMT Message-ID: <C88tEr.3zy@comspec.com> -- I've been looking at this new Pentium-based PC from ALR (Advanced Logic Research, Inc.) of late. Why? They state it does 41.5 MIPS. (Yes, I know... Meaningless index, but hey... 8^) The other thing that caught my eye was the low base price $3249 Suggested Canadian. That would make a FINE NeXTSTEP platform, I think. Has anyone heard if it will indeed work with it? I ask as it has a few 'interesting' things on the motherboard. - MULTUS (Multi-seeking) IDE Controller. - 1 Serial & 1 Parallel port (on-board) - and what looks to be both Thin Ether and 10-baseT (onboard). If anyone does have any useful information, please forward it to me at my location below a la Email only. Thanks very much! - -- | Dave Carlton - davec@comspec.com | Path: uunet.ca!comspec!davec | | What's the matter, you dissentious rogues, That, rubbing the poor | | itch of your opinion, make yourselves scabs? - SHAKESPEARE, Coriolanus |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mzeller@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Meinrad Zeller) Subject: How to print on non-PS printers under NSI? Message-ID: <WY8DBNBE@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Organization: GWDG, Goettingen Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 15:31:36 GMT I've just read the hardware compatibility guide and noticed, that only PS-printers are supported. How difficult is it to port the PD-drivers for the HP-deskjet from black hardware to NSI? What about legal issues? How about using ghostview (under NS or maybe X (is it ported already for NSI))? From what I've seen I think it's possible to get a (mono) NSI box for about 2500$ including NS (edu). So you really can go for a cheap system - only the printer would be a major expense. Since the HP-deskjet is may be 1/3 of a PS-printer such a solution would help to get a great system for minimal cost. Any comments are welcome - Meinrad -- Meinrad Zeller Foehrenweg 1 D-3400 Goettingen Tel.: +49-551-300095
From: cosc176t@menudo.uh.edu (Jason Asbahr) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Pricing Date: 7 Jun 1993 17:06:56 GMT Organization: /posole/cosc176t/.organization Message-ID: <COSC176T.93Jun7120656@menudo.uh.edu> Greetings! I'm looking for the least expensive source for SCSI, E-net, sound, and serial cards. Any suggestions/recommendations? Thanks! -- Jason Asbahr 116 E. Edgebrook #603 asbahr@uh.edu Houston, Texas 77034 next@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTmail) (713) 941-8294 voice asbahr@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTmail) UH NeXT Consultant
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Monitor whine Message-ID: <99.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 93 15:03:37 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA I have a Dell L series box: 3 slots--modem, sound card, SCSI installed. Since I installed the sound card, I periodically get an annoying high-pitched whine from the monitor. It stops when the monitor is turned off and changes when the monitor is moved. (Even applying pressure to the monitor case has a marked effect--sounds like the old movies when the hero is trying to tune in a weak radio signal.) It is also related to screen resolution--it only occurs at 1024X768, not 800X600 or VGA character mode. (Both NEXTSTEP and Windows) I have tried shuffling cards in the slots and rearranging the position of the SCSI bus inside the case (I have an internal drive), but without any definite conclusions. Any suggestions? Ah, the joys of expandable, commodity hardware. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pasqua@adobe.com Subject: Re: Wingine Availability - Whats new in NS/Intel Land! Message-ID: <1993Jun7.200550.8130@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Jun6.103625.1277@arsenal.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 20:05:50 GMT In article <1993Jun6.103625.1277@arsenal.com> captain@arsenal.com (Andrew T. Foster) writes: > > ... Pencom did > write the Driverkit. So, in fairness, they wanted buisness > and they certainly got it. <whisper MONOPOLY> This is patently false. Driverkit was developed by NeXT initially for the NRW. Significant work was done by the 486 team within NeXT to extend driverkit, add abstract superclasses for various device types, and deal with PC specific issues. The good folks at Pencomm were the first people outside of NeXT to write 486 drivers using Driverkit.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: marcel@nice.usergroup.ethz.ch (Marcel Waldvogel) Subject: Re: Intel P/GX and NS/FIP Experience (long) Message-ID: <1993Jun11.151004.14673@bernina.ethz.ch> Sender: news@bernina.ethz.ch (USENET News System) Organization: NiCE - NeXT User Group, Zuerich References: <1993Jun8.031117.3078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1993Jun11.001135.16136@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 15:10:04 GMT In article <1993Jun11.001135.16136@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: >So...the disk performance is about 260 KB/s sustained on both >machines, which is not too hot. It appears the Adaptec 1542C on the >Intel will give you about equal disk performance to a Colorstation. I >bought the Adaptec as a temporary measure until the on-board SCSI-II >is supported. The DPT is probably a hot card, however, at $355 best >price + MEGA BUCKS for the caching options, I can make due for now. I don't see any need for a caching disk controller if you have a decent OS (which we do have). You better add the same amount of memory to the main board and increase the nbufs (a really great kernel should not need this kind of "hint" to be able to dynamically better assign memory to disk buffers and applications depending on the current I/O load and memory usage). -Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: thorson@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Bill Thorson) Subject: Removable Optical on a NeXT Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Jun07.230139.66213@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1993 23:01:39 GMT Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci I have a Pinnacle Micro REO650 removable optical disk on a Sun. I would like to move it to a NeXTStation. Do you think it will just work? Bill Thorson -- #!/bin/sh #-----------------------------------------------------------------------# echo Bill Thorson thorson@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu echo Dept of Atmospheric Science +1 303 491-8339 echo Colorado State University echo Ft. Collins, CO 80523 #-----------------------------------------------------------------------#
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: URGENT: Monitor is waving. What gives? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.141853.10558@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <1993Jun7.045849.2576@imani.cam.org> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 14:18:53 GMT Mines been doing the same thing. Same conditions and parameters. Its like the scan rate is getting slower or skipping lines. What gives? -doug In article <1993Jun7.045849.2576@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > Hi > > [Sorry for cross-posting, but I'm panicking a bit here!] > > As the subject line says, my B/W monitor is waving i.e. vertical waves are going > around, at about 2 mm intervals, for a few seconds, and then going away. > > It's been getting worse. What next? > > My system is a monochrome Cube that is runnning 24hrs for UUCp, but gets > relatively little use these days. It's an old '030 system, so it's the old > monitor. > > Thanks for _any_ help or pointers. > > Ciao > > -- > Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)< -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: (slugg jello) Subject: Re: URGENT: Monitor is waving. What gives? Message-ID: <1993Jun7.142021.10617@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com> Sender: slugg@mouthers.nwnexus.wa.com Organization: Mouthing Flowers References: <1993Jun7.045849.2576@imani.cam.org> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 14:20:21 GMT Ooops. I just posted that my monitor is doing the same thing, but its not. I'm seeing *horizontal* lines, not vertical. -doug In article <1993Jun7.045849.2576@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > Hi > > [Sorry for cross-posting, but I'm panicking a bit here!] > > As the subject line says, my B/W monitor is waving i.e. vertical waves are going > around, at about 2 mm intervals, for a few seconds, and then going away. > > It's been getting worse. What next? > > My system is a monochrome Cube that is runnning 24hrs for UUCp, but gets > relatively little use these days. It's an old '030 system, so it's the old > monitor. > > Thanks for _any_ help or pointers. > > Ciao > > -- > Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)< -- Doug Kent Mouthing Flowers, Inc. slugg@mouthers.wa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pasqua@adobe.com Subject: Re: S3-805 Driver with 2MB ? Message-ID: <1993Jun11.172742.28454@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Jun10.162331.11254@elysia.fdn.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 17:27:42 GMT In article <1993Jun10.162331.11254@elysia.fdn.org> luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) writes: > In article <1993Jun7.151944.7070@email.tuwien.ac.at> hoenigs@aragorn > (Oliver Hoenigsberger) writes: > > > > Does Next develop an S3-Driver for S3-cards with 2MB Video-Buffer ? > > > > -- > > -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- > > > > Oliver H. A. Hoenigsberger > > > > Fax: ++43-1-504-1580 > > > > SMail: Vienna Center for Neural Networks > > Technische Universitaet Wien > > Wiedner Hauptstr. 7/VCNN > > A-1040 Wien, Austria > > I talked to some of the Dell people at NeXTWORLD Expo who claimed that > NeXTSTEP will run in color on their machines with the S3 Local Bus. > However, the ones I saw running where in gray-scale. > The S3805 driver definitely supports color. However, it only supports 800x600 in 16bit color. It supports 1024x768 in 8 bit grayscale. I've never seen a system with a 2M S3805 configuration although I think the chipset does support it. However, I believe that even with 2M of video memory it will only do 1024x768 interlaced. This is not very desirable. Joe Pasqua
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: icf@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ira Frosch) Subject: Can't boot NS/FIP after hard crash Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun11.173443.24498@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 17:34:43 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Organization: IBM Rochester Followup-To: gypsy!imadave@csn.org I was using a modem and then everything locked up. I tried to reboot and while it was loading the device drivers I happened upon an error. Something to do with device com0. It said that Cpu0 has exists multiple times. It then says waiting for RDP to connect, press 'c' to continue. I press 'c' and then the same message comes back over and over. If all else fails, I will probably just reinstall. (Yes I have tried, config=Default at the boot: prompt) [sender thanksInAdvance]; -- Ira Frosch
From: 93kwt@williams.edu (Wayne Thomas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT won't turn on... Date: 11 Jun 1993 11:38:52 -0400 Organization: Williams College CyberVersity Project Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1va8ucINNpjp@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> My poor color station won't turn on. :( In any case, I've checked the cables and etc., though I don't have an extra keyboard/... to test whether mine are good. Any suggestions (I've only had it for a year, should I test the battery?) or directions to more material would be useful. Thanks, Wayne
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tom_h@pts.mot.com Subject: Re: Is anyone experiencing problems with spurious DMAinterrupts???? Message-ID: <1993Jun11.172444.23365@pts.mot.com> Sender: usenet@pts.mot.com Organization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group References: <1v83de$nss@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 17:24:44 GMT In article <1v83de$nss@menudo.uh.edu> sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) writes: > > Hello, > > In the past two days, my two servers have been brought down 4 times > because of the the following:: > > Jun 9 12:35:59 server1 mach: spurious DMA interrupt: state 0x1000000 > channel 0x2000110 > Jun 9 12:36:57 server1 last message repeated 3 times > > Has anyone had this same type of problem? What could be causing the DMA > interrupts? I can't find a reference to them anywhere... We got this message on a machine, and traced the problem to a failing t-connector to the ethernet. -- Dr. Thomas B. Horton, Assistant Professor Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering, Florida Atlantic University Boca Raton, FL 33431 USA Phone: 407/367-2674 FAX: 407/367-2800 Internet: tom@cse.fau.edu Bitnet: HortonT@fauvax Summer 1993: working at Motorola, CASE Group, Paging Products Division, Boynton Beach, FL
From: bdm@agni.ss.uci.edu (Brian McElree) Subject: Exception #3 at boot Message-ID: <2C18E803.6730@news.service.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Date: 11 Jun 93 20:16:03 GMT A colleague had just purchased a used Color NeXTstation (non-turbo, 32/400). During the boot process at the "loading from disk" screen, the ROM monitor pops up with an "Exception #3 (0xc) at 0x1000374" message. The station can be manually booted and thereafter seems to function properly. Has anyone had a similar problem or does anyone know what this message indicates? Particularly, should it be a source of concern so as to warrant returning the machine? Any knowledge, thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Brian McElree Cognitive Sciences Dept UCI bdm@agni.ss.uci.edu
From: lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Lily Liou ) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: USRobotics Sportster 14.4 Modem with Fax Message-ID: <50789@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> Date: 10 Jun 93 20:56:59 GMT Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Hi everyone, Now that the price of modems is plummetting, I'm interested in getting a faster modem. I've seen the USRobotics Sportster (external, 14400 baud, with class1 group3 fax) around and it sounds like a nice deal (around $200). Has anyone gotten one of these to work on a NeXT Turbo (or any of the original black machines)? Either as a plain data modem or with the fax capability? Any help or comments would be appreciated! Thanks! -Lily Liou lliou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: minear@sctc.com (Spence Minear) Subject: Request for disk expansion advice Message-ID: <1993Jun11.202901.4391@sctc.com> Summary: I need advice for disk expansion on a NeXT workstation Keywords: Hard Drives, NeXT Organization: SCTC Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 20:29:01 GMT I have the following problem that I would appreciate help in resolving. My son left his NeXT workstation with me for the summer and went to Germany. I was given a "polite" request to expand the disk storage capacity of the system while he is gone. We came up with the following general ideas, I'd appreciate any advice, alternate suggestions, does and don'ts, input that any of you might be willing to pass alone. The current configuration has a 400meg drive. The plan is to leave that drive and expand by adding an external drive. I plan to get a short PC case and use it as an external drive cabinet. They seem reasonable, $70-$80, and good power and plenty of expansion space. Size for expansion drive is based on the best deal in the 400+meg to 1.2 Gig. Are there issues that I need to watch for in drive type? Are both SCSI and SCSI-II drives usable? Do any of you have experience good/or bad on particular drives and suppliers. A 1.2 Gig Toshiba SCSI-II for about $1000 looked like a pretty good option in that a recent PC-Shopper ad, any opinions? What is a good source of cables, and what, specifically, do I really ask for in cables? The back of the the workstation says something about SCSI-II or SCSI-2, what does that mean it really has a SCSI-2 protocol chip or does that have something to do with the particular cable connection. Thank you in advance, -- Spence Minear
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: amehta@yale.edu (Anand Mehta) Subject: repost request: Multispeed CR-ROM Summary Message-ID: <1993Jun11.210927.7269@news.yale.edu> Sender: news@news.yale.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Yale Univ. Science & Engineering Computing Facility, New Haven, CT 06520 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 21:09:27 GMT A few weeks ago someone posted an article summarizing the compatible Multi-spin CD-ROM drives that work with the next. I am in the market for such a beast, but the article has expired at my site. Would someone who has (or has access to it) please email it to me. Sorry about the wasted bandwith, -Anand -- =============================================================================== Anand Mehta mehta-anand@yale.edu 436-1437 Computing Assistant, Pierson We dance round in a ring and suppose, But the Secret sits in the middle and knows. ===============================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gday@ignatz.inde.bc.ca (Gordon Day) Subject: Re: Is anyone experiencing problems with spurious DMAinterrupts???? In-Reply-To: dave@downie.commerce.ubc.ca's message of 11 Jun 1993 01:34:53 GMT Message-ID: <GDAY.93Jun11141051@ignatz.inde.bc.ca> Sender: news@inde.bc.ca Organization: INDE Electronics, Inc. References: <1v8cqe$dls@ni.umd.edu> <1v8nftINN55c@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 22:10:51 GMT If it is both of your machines at the same time, as those before me have said: check your cables, connectors and terminators. Were it just one of the machines, I would say that it could be your DMA chip. My motherboard was just replaced by Bell Atlantic for this problem. Some (early?) slabs (and 040 cubes?) have a problem with a flakey DMA chip that causes the message you see. For this situation a new motherboard is the only answer. Hope this helps, Gordon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: NeXT laser and a 486 Message-ID: <1993Jun11.190535.991@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Jun10.203037.379@weston.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 19:05:35 GMT In article <1993Jun10.203037.379@weston.com> jspears@weston.com (Wes Spears) writes: > Is there any way to hook a next laser to a 486. Is anyone working on a > card and driver? Highly unlikely. The only real options are to hang it off an existing NeXT on your network or pick up an 030 cube to use as a print server. Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NS/fip Installation woes Date: 11 Jun 1993 21:41:35 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vau6fINN1rb@clem.handheld.com> References: <1v832b$qqo@nic.umass.edu> In article <1v832b$qqo@nic.umass.edu> fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) writes: > Hey netters, I'm running into problems installing NS/fip on one (actually > two) of my machines. The installation process dies when it says: > Registering: PCKeyboard0 > The floppy drive just keeps spinning at this point... > My system consists of: Micronics 486 DX2/66 motherboard with 2 VL-bus slots, > and 6 EISA slots (it is recognized during installation as EISA). I'm using > an Adaptec 1542B (with floppy disabled), and ATI Graphics Ultra Pro VLB with > 2 megs VRAM, a teac 3.5" high density floppy (A:), a toshiba 3401E CDROM > drive (external), an Archive Python SCSI DAT drive (external), Focus 9000 > keyboard, 16 megs RAM, Nec 6FG...I guess that's about it. The motherboard > has 2 serial (disable-able), 1 parallel (disable-able), an IDE, and a floppy > port (the IDE is automatically disabled if nothing is connected to it). > Oh, the Fujitsu 2266 (1 gig scsi-2) drive is ID0, the CD-ROM is id 1, and the > tape is ID 2. > > I've tried an alternate floppy drive, other keyboards, config=Default... > The only time it ever does anything different from the above failure is when > I choose config=Default at the boot: prompt. When I do this, it says it > can't find several .config files and eventually says "insert file system". > After pressing a key, it proceeds just as the above fault except the floppy > drive does not spin endlessly. Try changing the state of "keyboard installed" or whatever, in the BIOS. > > I'm desperate...Oh, the mobo has a Phoenix BIOS v1.01.22-4 (dated 1/15/88). > HELP! > Joe Fitzgerald > fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu -- jmd@handheld.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cleelacj@agedwards.com (Chris Cleeland) Subject: Re: NS/I Hardware Wish List Message-ID: <C8GzLB.KM6@agedwards.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 18:34:23 GMT Distribution: na References: <1v87tc$ktq@agate.berkeley.edu> Organization: A. G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. mitch@mills.edu (Mitch Gass) writes: >--Support for IDE CD-ROM drives. I certainly second this motion. I'm not sure what the constraint is on why it's not supported now (lack of driver, fundamentally incompatible, ????). What's actually most important is to be able to *install* from one also. Otherwise, it would seem that it wouldn't really help (who needs two CD-ROM drives?) >--Support for Local Bus SCSI controllers. Don't know anything about these, but, "the more the merrier" :-) -- ============================================================================== Chris Cleeland | Internet: cleelacj@agedwards.com BOS Dev. Team | USnail: 3878 Connecticut St. Louis 63116 | BellNet: (314) 289-5372
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gday@ignatz.inde.bc.ca (Gordon Day) Subject: Re: NeXT won't turn on... In-Reply-To: 93kwt@williams.edu's message of 11 Jun 1993 11:38:52 -0400 Message-ID: <GDAY.93Jun11141325@ignatz.inde.bc.ca> Sender: news@inde.bc.ca Organization: INDE Electronics, Inc. References: <1va8ucINNpjp@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 22:13:25 GMT Yes you should check your battery. If it is not producing enough current, it can't switch on the power supply. I had this problem a couple of weeks ago. Gordon.
From: kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SUMMARY: Logitech Bus Mouse on Black Hardware -- pinouts needed Message-ID: <C8HDLE.2wL@fragile.termfrost.org> Date: 11 Jun 93 23:36:49 GMT Sender: kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) Organization: Terminal Frost, Springfield OH I posted the other day asking about pinouts for the NeXT mouse so that I could wire up a Logitech mouse. Apparently this is a pretty popular thing to want to do, and I had several requests to post any responses I got, so: Antoine Gautier <antoine@osd.ulaval.ca> sent me a TIFF of the Logitech->NeXT wiring diagram -- looks like it was done by Sean Luke <sean@digaudio.byu.edu> originally. Rather than repost the TIFF, I'll make a crude ascii drawing: (part of which comes from info originally from kent@infoserv.com) On the NeXT end: 1: +5V 5: YB 6 7 8 2: XA 6: Right button 3 4 5 3: XB 7: Left button 1 2 4: YA 8: Ground Shell: chassis ground Inside the Logitech Bus MouseMan I have, there's a 10-pin connector: 1 - left button (green) Colors might vary on your mouse... 2 - mid button (purple) 3 - right button (grey) 4 - +5V (black) 5 - chassis ground, I think... 6 - ground (white) 7 - XA (red) 8 - XB (brown) 9 - YA (orange) 10 - YB (yellow) kent@infoserv.com has gotten an Amiga/Atari mouse/trackball to work too; if anyone wants that pinout, mail me (or him?)... Anyway, this little scheme seems to work... It'd work better if I could solder worth a darn (apparnently I soldered XA and XB backwards today, and produced a mouse that moved the cursor left when pushed right, and moved the cursor right when pushed left :-)... but other than that minor oversight, it seems to work REAL nicely. Thanks to everyone who responded! Hope this helps all of you who responded with "me too"'s too... Mike -- Mike Andrews root@fragile.termfrost.org [NeXTmail OK] kramer@wittenberg.edu (school) "This guy's pretty bizarre, Gus." kramer@mik.uky.edu (hometown) -- Primus
From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Help! Dim monitor problems... Date: 11 Jun 1993 22:47:04 GMT Organization: Suite Software Distribution: na Message-ID: <1vb218$skr@bilbo.suite.com> References: <1993Jun8.211320.25339@scott.skidmore.edu> There is a potentiometer on the flyback cage which varies the G1 or G2 bias voltage for the CRT; it's usually labeled (when it's labeled at all) "screen." What it does is to set the DC bias of the CRT in terms of its cutoff voltage. As the tube ages, the cathode gets weaker - and if the cutoff cannot be sufficiently adjusted via the user "brightness" control, the tube gets dim and will need to have the bias tweaked. Unfortunately, by the time you get to this point, the tube is already through a good part of its useful life; the internal adjustments can restore the brightness for a while, but the cathode will continue to age. Sooner or later, this will be a race you can't win. The X-ray emission from the tube should not be dangerous as long as the cathode current (beam current) remains within specified limits; more sophisticated designs will have beam-current limiting which will shut the thing down before the limit is reached. With the NeXT monitor, who knows? $BD>o~(J
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: repost request: Multispeed CR-ROM Summary Date: 12 Jun 1993 03:24:59 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vbiab$m6r@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1993Jun11.210927.7269@news.yale.edu> amehta@yale.edu (Anand Mehta) writes: > > A few weeks ago someone posted an article summarizing the compatible > Multi-spin CD-ROM drives that work with the next. I am in the market > for such a beast, but the article has expired at my site. > > Would someone who has (or has access to it) please email it to me. I intended to respond to that article, but I don't remember if I did. My experience has been that most (if not all) multi-speed CD-ROM drives have problems on NeXT hardware which is running NS3.0. I have no idea if those problems are solved in NS3.1 (although I expect they are). The problems I ran into only happen on larger files, so maybe most people don't run into them. I've had problems with 3 different brands of multi-speed drives (Apple CD300, some Toshiba model, and, uh, some other drive which might have also been Toshiba-based), and the last time I mentioned something about this a few other people responded that they had a few problems with their multi-speed CD-ROM drives too. I suspect the moral of this story will soon be "Upgrade to NS3.1 if you are using a multi-speed CD-ROM drive", but for the moment my recommendation is that you might be better off sticking with a slower CD-ROM drive or waiting just a little while more to see how they behave under NS3.1. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu [proud owner of an Apple CD300, connected to my Mac, sigh] ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.unix.admin From: bonney@tybrin.com Subject: How to print landscape accross a network using lpr? Message-ID: <1993Jun11.181604.26165@tybrin.com> Followup-To: bonney@tybj3.eglin.af.mil Keywords: printcaps, lpr, SunOS 4.1.3 Organization: Tybrin Corporation, Shalimar, FL Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 18:16:04 GMT What would I have to do in the printcaps on my local host and on the remote hosts in order to be able to print across the network in landscape mode using lpr? (Both systems are assumed to be either SunOS 4.1.3 or some generic BSD.) Apparently, lpr has an option for landscape, but it doesn't work across the network, so you have to create special print spools with a different name. However, I can't find anything in the SunOS Sys Admin manual, or in any of my sys admin books, on how to do this. One person said you had to write a c program to do a "filter" and call it with of={program name} in the printcap, but somebody else said you could use the ff={some escape sequence}. Thanks. Greg Bonney bonney@tybj3.eglin.af.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: *Help* info needed on non-NeXT color monitor for NSTC Message-ID: <1993Jun12.041446.25423@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <AOKI.93Jun11042327@gauss.physics.ucla.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 04:14:46 GMT In article <AOKI.93Jun11042327@gauss.physics.ucla.edu> aoki@physics.ucla.edu (Ken-ichiro Aoki) writes: > > My color monitor for the NeXT station Color Turbo got damaged > by the shipper and I have to fix it or get a new monitor. > Anyway, I am thinking of getting a Nanao Flexscan T560i, > which people mentioned a while back. Now the problem > is getting hold of the cable. I talked to a Nanao > guy; he knew about NeXT's, knew T560i works with NeXT's > (this is very very rare, pleasant experience) and he > said that I will need a cable called a 'RGB cable' > which NeXT (used?) to sell. Supposedly this connects > the slab to the BNC. (or is it an adapter for the NeXT monitor > pinout to BNC?) So gang, could you share me some > of your wisdom? Which cable do I need to get and where > can I get it? We have several Nanao T560i 17" displays. They are the best displays I've has the pleasure of using - they're even slightly better than the final NeXT/Sony 17" display (only took them, what, two years to admit the FIMI was a joke). We ordered the BNC adapters from NeXT at the time. Perhaps Bell Atlantic will have some in stock. Here are the relevant FAQ sections (to be posted soon). Subject: P8. What color monitors can I use with the Color NeXT machines? The important specs for the color monitor are: Horz Scan Rate: 61 KHz Vertical Scan Rate: 68 Hz Resolution: 1280x1024 (NeXT uses 1120x832) NON-INTERLACED Displays may require alignment to adjust for the scan rate of NeXT machines. Sony GDM-1601 were demonstrated with the NeXT color products. NeXT is not shipping these monitors. Sony no longer makes them, however there is a replacement GDM-1606. The Nanao T560i 17" color display has been used with NeXTstation Color machines, and seems to work well. Some larger NEC displays have also worked. ____________________________________________________________________________ Subject: P9. Where can I get 13W3 to BNC adapters to connect third party color monitors? From NeXT: part number S4025. NuData in New Jersey carries 13W3 female to 4 BNC male connectors. The price is about $100. NuData Voice: 908-842-5757 ____________________________________________________________________________ -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: next 17" color monitor useful as pc monitor? Message-ID: <1993Jun12.041832.25480@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <C8ExDw.1CL@infoserv.com> Distribution: comp Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 04:18:32 GMT In article <C8ExDw.1CL@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: > You can use the NeXT monitor on a Mac or a PC with the correct cable, but > there are some caveats. > > So if the hassle is worth it use it if not I suggest one of the 17" Sony > monitors for ~$1000. What Trinitron 17" displays sell for $1,000??? The Nanao T560i costs $1,875! -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.hardware From: russ@psych.toronto.edu (Russell Sutherland) Subject: SGI and NeXT CD-ROM drive interchangability Message-ID: <C8HML9.Gz7@psych.toronto.edu> Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto Distribution: na Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 02:50:49 GMT Does anyone know if it is possible to read SGI software distribution CD-ROM's from a NeXT CD-ROM drive? Alternately does anyone have any experience attaching a NeXT CD-ROM drive to the SCSI port of an IRIS Indigo and having it function normally? I have experimented briefly with the above two options with no real success. -- Russell Sutherland Bell: (416)-978-5140 Office of the Faculty Registrar Uucp: ...utzoo!utas!russ Faculty of Arts and Science Internet: russ@artsci.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.sgi.hardware From: rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers) Subject: Re: SGI and NeXT CD-ROM drive interchangability Message-ID: <1993Jun12.070053.14915@nynexst.com> Sender: news@nynexst.com (For News purposes) Organization: Nynex Science and Technology References: <C8HML9.Gz7@psych.toronto.edu> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 12 Jun 93 07:00:53 GMT In article <C8HML9.Gz7@psych.toronto.edu> russ@psych.toronto.edu (Russell Sutherland) writes: >Does anyone know if it is possible to read SGI >software distribution CD-ROM's from a NeXT CD-ROM >drive? Alternately does anyone have any experience >attaching a NeXT CD-ROM drive to the SCSI port >of an IRIS Indigo and having it function normally? > This did not work for me. Neither did an Apple CD300. I bought a third party for SGI for $760. I am very happy with it as it support sucking music over the SCSI bus to the computer for hard-disk recording. It is also double-speed. --Rob.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org (Bill Chin) Subject: Re: next 17" color monitor useful as pc monitor? Message-ID: <bchin.739861035@nextsrv1> Organization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International References: <C8ExDw.1CL@infoserv.com> <1993Jun12.041832.25480@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: comp Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 04:57:15 GMT nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >What Trinitron 17" displays sell for $1,000??? The Nanao T560i costs >$1,875! Mag Innovision MX17F. Nice monitor. Lucky Goldstar & ANDI had a few of them at the ANDI booth at NWE. One can find it for $1000 at mail order houses. $1100 is a common price, but I've seen it for as low as $950 in MicroTimes. -- Bill Chin, NeXTSTEP Developer, PRC Inc. VP Communications, Washington Area NeXT Users Group Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International Technical Staff bchin@nextsrv1.andi.org - NeXTmail welcomed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: Re: next 17" color monitor useful as pc monitor? Message-ID: <C8I212.1Dx@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics References: <C8ExDw.1CL@infoserv.com> <1993Jun12.041832.25480@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: comp Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 08:24:38 GMT In article <1993Jun12.041832.25480@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: [ ] >> >> So if the hassle is worth it use it if not I suggest one of the 17" Sony >> monitors for ~$1000. > >What Trinitron 17" displays sell for $1,000??? The Nanao T560i costs >$1,875! The Mitsubishi Diamond Pro has a street price of $1200 CDN ( around $1000US) and it's a 17" monitor. The Sony 1604 is not much more and the Viewsonic 17", which may not be a Trinitron but is very nice, is $1500 CDN ( $1500 US list). The Mitsubishi is a Trinitron. -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mxedisn@teal.csn.org (David C. Whitcombe) Subject: Re: Monitor whine Message-ID: <C8I475.1ww@csn.org> Summary: Odd monitor whine... Sender: news@csn.org (The Daily Planet) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. References: <99.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 09:11:28 GMT Peter Kron writes: >I have a Dell L series box: 3 slots--modem, sound card, SCSI installed. Since >I installed the sound card, I periodically get an annoying high-pitched >whine from the monitor. It stops when the monitor is turned off and changes >when the monitor is moved. (Even applying pressure to the monitor case has >a marked effect--sounds like the old movies when the hero is trying to tune >in a weak radio signal.) > >It is also related to screen resolution--it only occurs at 1024X768, not >800X600 or VGA character mode. (Both NEXTSTEP and Windows) If you're not afraid, and are good with messy things, I would recommend shielding your boards in the bus. A Faraday cage around suspect boards ought to eliminate any board-to-board interference. An insulated conducting foil wrapped around the board and grounded ought to suck any RFI from any board into oblivion. My 2 cents worth... mxedisn@gendep.com "Changing the minds of the youth of America with Solar Powered Calculators" ---My ideas are strange. Don't listen to me. `I am the duck.' `I should be killed.'
From: kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: let's talk ns 3.2 Followup-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy Date: 12 Jun 1993 03:48:01 -0700 Organization: University of Arizona CS Department, Tucson AZ Message-ID: <1vcc91$d6o@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> So let's talk about next step 3.2. let's combine all the discussion here. We all know (have heard): it will support more pc drivers it will have bug fixes soft pc will work (for a little while) How about some specifics. When will it be released? I've heard that it might be released around July 31. Later? Sooner? What about a new developer package centered around 3.2? I mean a cheap one, like the current $300 special that happens to end on July 31. Another question. I read that next now charges $250 to be a registered developer, but that this is returned or "excused" when one ships product. So, how much does it cost to buy ns3.2 fip if one is a developer. The 4 major ways that one can buy nextstep (if a student): expensive way: > $2k academic (no commerical use): $250 special (no 3.2, before Jul 31) $295 developer price ($250 dev fee +) ???? I want to try to develop something (actually I've been working on it). Should I got for academic + special? Or just special? Or just wait for 3.2 (perphaps a special price will come out)? What other things will be supported? There are the comments in the nextanswers index about 3.2 things. followups to c.s.n.advocacy -nick
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: repost request: Multispeed CR-ROM Summary In-Reply-To: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu's message of 12 Jun 1993 03:24:59 GMT To: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jun12085958@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Jun11.210927.7269@news.yale.edu> <1vbiab$m6r@usenet.rpi.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 12:59:58 GMT In article <1vbiab$m6r@usenet.rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: amehta@yale.edu (Anand Mehta) writes: > > A few weeks ago someone posted an article summarizing the compatible > Multi-spin CD-ROM drives that work with the next. I am in the market > for such a beast, but the article has expired at my site. > > Would someone who has (or has access to it) please email it to me. I intended to respond to that article, but I don't remember if I did. My experience has been that most (if not all) multi-speed CD-ROM drives have problems on NeXT hardware which is running NS3.0. I have no idea if those problems are solved in NS3.1 (although I expect they are). I must have missed that at the time. Can you be more specific about what problems you had ? I've been using a Toshiba 3401 (currently one of the fastest CD ROM drives on the market) for several months now without any problems on files large or small. In particular I find it almost inconceivable that those problems which some people have reported with ISO 9660 filesystems should be specific to faster read mechanisms in the CD ROM drives. That would be almost like people claiming that their harddrives work fine except that they can't delete files on drives with an access time of below 9.8 ms. Stranger errors have happend, but rarely. Carl Edman
From: mark@totaltec.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <1993Jun9.082758.733@totaltec.com> Date: 9 Jun 93 13:27:58 GMT References: <C81wq1.1nE@chinet.chinet.com> <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> <1uqe67$t6b@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun6.165523.20331@resonex.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Total Tec Systems, Inc. In article <1993Jun6.165523.20331@resonex.com>, zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: > In article <1uqe67$t6b@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >>In article <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >> > The first proposal is quite interesting :) The second one is however precisely > what I want to say: do not save too much to one media. > > > If you mean that you backup at once a system with, say, 2 Gig then of > course you are right. But if the system disk space is smaller, it is safer > to make one backup on a tape, or at least not *too many* backups thanks to > compression. Your opinion may vary. > I say, that we have about 20 customers using DAT and some of them are using > DATs for more than 2 years, storing daily up to 200 Mb. > From time to time it happens, that some DAT cassettes turn to be unreadable. > The customers DO NOT reuse the cassettes (I mean: they only append until the > tape is full). ALL the failures had happen, when the cassette was almost full > (i.e. after 2-3 weaks of using it). There is NO AVAILABLE utility in the > world allowing recovery of data from DAT cassette after it behaves as > having EOD at the beginning. Draw conclusions by yourself. > > I agree, that many of you may have better opinions about DAT. > Especially, when you don't use so many cassettes. The experiences I am talking > about happened, say, 5 cassettes from (about) 600 used. > > I am switching to e-mail discussion, if anybody wants to continue. > > > Zenon. This whole discussion is stupid! What is the big deal ? You buy the largest capacity drive you can afford. You buy 20 tapes. You use 4 tapes, one each day for Monday thru Thursday doing modified backups each time. You use 4 tapes, one for each Friday doing full backups. You use 12 tapes, one day each month to do a full backup. It's called the Grandfather method. Appending to a tape till its full is asking for trouble. Cassetes are cheap, you have the capacity, so use it. Why append. Do a full backup!! This is the first time I've heard someone say I don't like those drives because they hold to much data! This is rediculouse <sp?>. Mark Remeta
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mark@xexos.com (Mark Chamberlain) Subject: Deskjet 1200C with NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Jun12.134321.6930@xexos.com> Sender: news@xexos.com Organization: Xexos, Ltd (London) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 13:43:21 GMT The HP DeskJet 1200C looks like a nice printer. I've always liked HPs inkjets, and this one does 600dpi b/w at 6ppm and 300dp color on plain paper, at maybe 1ppm. Comes with 45 fonts and is PCL5 compatible. For $1699 rrp. Street price will probably be about $1000 bar the shouting. Anyone got it, though about getting it, to work with NEXTSTEP? Anyone have details on how to write printer-drivers for NEXTSTEP natively? I know about Dots, I'd like something that was ultra-compatible with the rest of the system (ie, just a PDF file or something) rather than a replacement. -- Mark Chamberlain +44 71 237 4535 Xexos Ltd fax +44 71 231 0844 London mark@xexos.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: erikd@frmug.fr.mugnet.org (Erik Dasque) Subject: Serial & // on IDE Controller + IDE support Message-ID: <1993Jun12.105411.6698@frmug.fr.mugnet.org> Organization: Minix User Group France Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 10:54:11 GMT Hi guys, I succesfully installed PR1 on my clone PC some weeks ago, and I couldn't use serial ports as they were not supported. I was wondering if mine will work with the final release. I do not have on-board serial and // ports : they are on my IDE controller. While this controller doesn't controll any IDE disk nor floppy disks, I would like to use it for my serial communications. Has anyone installed NS/FIP on a PC with an ISA board serial and // controller ? Any success ? One more thing. I use an adaptec 1542 B for my floppy and SCSI HD control and I was wondering if I could use an IDE hard disk as a second HD ? First, as a DOS D: drive and as a NS second drive. Or do I have to boot from the IDE ? Thanks for helping me out... Ed. __ Erik Dasque, The French Guy My name is written on water... -- We have all wondered so very far from home. All of us, we have wondered so very far from home.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu (Mohan Sodhi) Subject: Info needed: Pre-installed NS/I vendors Message-ID: <msodhi.739901491@uclagsm> Summary: Need info re: vendors selling computers with NS/I pre-installed Keywords: computer vendors, pre-installed NS Date: 12 Jun 93 08:15:34 PDT After having a few frustrations with vendors reportedly supporting NS (but their salespeople not being aware of it), I am looking for vendors who sell systems with NS/I pre-installed. Please send me email...I will post a summary. Mohan Sodhi msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: next 17" color monitor useful as pc monitor? Message-ID: <C8IMM6.42o@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun12.041832.25480@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: comp Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 15:49:18 GMT In article <1993Jun12.041832.25480@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: #In article <C8ExDw.1CL@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: #> You can use the NeXT monitor on a Mac or a PC with the correct cable, but #> there are some caveats. # #> #> So if the hassle is worth it use it if not I suggest one of the 17" Sony #> monitors for ~$1000. # #What Trinitron 17" displays sell for $1,000??? The Nanao T560i costs #$1,875! # Well Fry's Electronics sells a Sony (not just Trinitron) that is 17" and is a multisync for $1000. $2K gets you 20" monitors in the Bay Area. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: '040 Cube with Mac as terminal? Message-ID: <88008@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 12 Jun 93 07:31:02 GMT Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie What I would like to do here is connect my Mac to my NeXTcube and send files between them. I connected the cable, launched my terminal emulator on the Mac (Zterm) and a program called IComm on the NeXT (I am pretty much in the dark about UNIX so I figured I'd do it "null modem" style). At 9600 baud I could type on the Mac and see the text on the NeXT (except the NeXT didn't understand CRs) but anything typed on the NeXT did not show up on the Mac. I tried to transfer a file but the response from the NeXT did not show up on the mac. I think I could have done better with a more fully featured terminal program on the NeXT but this is all I have. I checked the FAQ just now and don't see a thing about this in it. Does anyone have any pointers as to how to go about doing this? How about setting up MacSLIP to connect to the NeXT? I am sure it must be possible... ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: NeXT won't turn on... Message-ID: <C8ILwI.3zG@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1va8ucINNpjp@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 15:33:53 GMT In article <1va8ucINNpjp@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> 93kwt@williams.edu (Wayne Thomas) writes: #My poor color station won't turn on. :( # #In any case, I've checked the cables and etc., though I don't have an #extra keyboard/... to test whether mine are good. Any suggestions (I've #only had it for a year, should I test the battery?) or directions to #more material would be useful. Pull the battery and short the terminals with a wire. The boot parameters in the CMOS ram are probably screwed up. This is a common problem. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Logitech Bus Mouse on Black Hardware -- pinouts needed Message-ID: <C8IMFM.41H@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <C8HDLE.2wL@fragile.termfrost.org> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 15:45:22 GMT In article <C8HDLE.2wL@fragile.termfrost.org> kramer@fragile.termfrost.org (Mike Andrews) writes: #I posted the other day asking about pinouts for the NeXT mouse so that I could #wire up a Logitech mouse. Apparently this is a pretty popular thing to want #to do, and I had several requests to post any responses I got, so: # #Antoine Gautier <antoine@osd.ulaval.ca> sent me a TIFF of the Logitech->NeXT #wiring diagram -- looks like it was done by Sean Luke <sean@digaudio.byu.edu> #originally. Rather than repost the TIFF, I'll make a crude ascii drawing: #(part of which comes from info originally from kent@infoserv.com) # #On the NeXT end: 1: +5V 5: YB # 6 7 8 2: XA 6: Right button # 3 4 5 3: XB 7: Left button # 1 2 4: YA 8: Ground # Shell: chassis ground # #Inside the Logitech Bus MouseMan I have, there's a 10-pin connector: # # 1 - left button (green) Colors might vary on your mouse... # 2 - mid button (purple) # 3 - right button (grey) # 4 - +5V (black) # 5 - chassis ground, I think... # 6 - ground (white) # 7 - XA (red) # 8 - XB (brown) # 9 - YA (orange) # 10 - YB (yellow) # #kent@infoserv.com has gotten an Amiga/Atari mouse/trackball to work too; #if anyone wants that pinout, mail me (or him?)... # On the Amiga/Atari the pins are on their connectors as follows. You will have to open up the mouse/trackball to trace the color of the wire back to the circuit board. Looking at thr connector facing you -- 5 4 3 2 1 9 8 7 6 For the Atari and Amiga Pin 5 -- Middle button (normally internally tied to left button) Pin 6 -- Left Button Pin 7 -- +5v Pin 8 -- GND Pin 9 -- Right button Pins 1-4 are XA,XB,YA,YB they differ on the Atari and Amiga. I don't have the mapping handy but if you connect them to the wrong X/Y pins on the NeXT the worst thing you get is funny mouse movement. The good thing is since there are only 16 combinations it doesn't take long to find the right mapping. The important wires to get right are +5 and GND. If not your mouse/trackball can go bye-bye. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: crespo@vcd.hp.com (Ivan Crespo) Subject: Re: Deskjet 1200C with NEXTSTEP Sender: news@vcd.hp.com (News user) Message-ID: <CRESPO.93Jun12232625@hpvclic.vcd.hp.com> In-Reply-To: mark@xexos.com's message of Sat, 12 Jun 1993 13:43:21 GMT Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 07:26:25 GMT References: <1993Jun12.134321.6930@xexos.com> Organization: HP Vancouver Division Vancouver,WA Well, If you get the Postscript option for the DJ 1200 you should be able to just hook it up to your NeXT... i. --
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: yann@dagobah.fdn.org (Yann Lechelle) Subject: Re: Exception #3 at boot Message-ID: <1993Jun12.220136.558@dagobah.fdn.org> Sender: yann@dagobah.fdn.org Organization: Individual References: <2C18E803.6730@news.service.uci.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1993 22:01:36 GMT I had the same problem while upgrading the hard disk of a 8/105 station to a 520MB Seagate... I tried all possible (reasonable as well as unreasonable) switch combinations but the error remained. I ended up turning off all checking options in the monitor (on the NeXT> prompt; type p then just say no to whatever the machine asks you !)... and the exception error to vanish ! mystery ! I'm still waiting for a proper explanation though ! any expert ? YaNN -- / ================================================= \ \ Yann Lechelle (Paris, FRANCE) / / yann@dagobah.fdn.org Email/NeXTmail \ \ "grep me no patterns and I'll tell you no lines." /
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: Need to change my internal HDD to sd1a In-Reply-To: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu's message of Sun, 13 Jun 1993 19:31:42 GMT To: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jun13161836@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Jun13.193142.27116@news.csuohio.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 20:18:36 GMT In article <1993Jun13.193142.27116@news.csuohio.edu> cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes: Hello. I have a NeXTStation Turbo with an internal 250 MB HDD. I just got a fujitsu 2.4 gigger and I would like to make the larger Fujitsu the first HDD (sd0a). How does one do alter the pins on the internal HDD to do this? I cannot find something about it in the docs, so I hope somebody here would not mind emailing me the things to do. No need to change pins or open your NeXTstation at all. Just set the SCSI target id of the external drive to 0. SCSI devices are handed out in order of increasing SCSI target IDs and the internal drive is always target 1. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: NS/fip Installation woes Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun13.210619.37962@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 21:06:19 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1v832b$qqo@nic.umass.edu> <1vau6fINN1rb@clem.handheld.com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1vau6fINN1rb@clem.handheld.com>, jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: |> In article <1v832b$qqo@nic.umass.edu> fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E |> FITZGERALD) writes: |> > Hey netters, I'm running into problems installing NS/fip on one (actually |> > two) of my machines. The installation process dies when it says: |> > Registering: PCKeyboard0 |> > The floppy drive just keeps spinning at this point... |> > My system consists of: Micronics 486 DX2/66 motherboard with 2 VL-bus slots, |> > and 6 EISA slots (it is recognized during installation as EISA). I'm using |> > an Adaptec 1542B (with floppy disabled), and ATI Graphics Ultra Pro VLB with |> > 2 megs VRAM, a teac 3.5" high density floppy (A:), a toshiba 3401E CDROM |> > drive (external), an Archive Python SCSI DAT drive (external), Focus 9000 |> > keyboard, 16 megs RAM, Nec 6FG...I guess that's about it. The motherboard |> > has 2 serial (disable-able), 1 parallel (disable-able), an IDE, and a floppy |> > port (the IDE is automatically disabled if nothing is connected to it). |> > Oh, the Fujitsu 2266 (1 gig scsi-2) drive is ID0, the CD-ROM is id 1, and the |> > tape is ID 2. |> > |> > I've tried an alternate floppy drive, other keyboards, config=Default... |> > The only time it ever does anything different from the above failure is when |> > I choose config=Default at the boot: prompt. When I do this, it says it |> > can't find several .config files and eventually says "insert file system". |> > After pressing a key, it proceeds just as the above fault except the floppy |> > drive does not spin endlessly. |> |> Try changing the state of "keyboard installed" or whatever, in the BIOS. |> > |> > I'm desperate...Oh, the mobo has a Phoenix BIOS v1.01.22-4 (dated 1/15/88). |> > HELP! |> > Joe Fitzgerald |> > fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu |> |> -- |> jmd@handheld.com Hey this is exactly what happened to me when I was trying to install NeXTSTEP on my gateway machine. (I've since given up on Gateway hardware!) You shouldn't be in as bad a shape tho.... The next activity that happens after this point is NeXTSTEP goes out to the SCSI bus. So first off let me give you some pointers to help you through.... 1) ISOLATE: Get everything off of your system save the drive you are going to install to, and your CD-ROM drive. So take the tape drive off line. 2) Check the jumpers on your 1542B card. I have a full layout from NeXT which DOES work. (verified on friend(s) machines. You can get this from NeXT answers if you want... 3) Look for caches which are on and not sapposed to be. When it doubt, turn it off! (Well you can leave the CPU and 2nd level caches on, but after that, it pretty much should be off) 4) You may have to upgrade your ROMS. 22.4 does seem rather new tho.... 5) pray, cross your fingers, toss salt over your shoulder, rub your lucky rabbits foot etc. (hey never hurts!) Tom -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Memory Message-ID: <C8JDp3.6DM@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 01:34:15 GMT I just upgraded my cube from 16 megs to 28megs. I never really knew how much swapping my machine did until now. I hardly ever hear the disk now that the memory is upgraded. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: next 17" color monitor useful as pc monitor? Message-ID: <1993Jun14.015302.22004@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <C8ExDw.1CL@infoserv.com> <1993Jun12.041832.25480@cs.yale.edu> Distribution: comp Date: Mon, 14 Jun 93 01:53:02 GMT In article <1993Jun12.041832.25480@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: >In article <C8ExDw.1CL@infoserv.com> kent@infoserv.com writes: >> You can use the NeXT monitor on a Mac or a PC with the correct cable, but >> there are some caveats. >> >> So if the hassle is worth it use it if not I suggest one of the 17" Sony >> monitors for ~$1000. > >What Trinitron 17" displays sell for $1,000??? The Nanao T560i costs >$1,875! The Sony CDP-1604S. It has a max resolution of 1024x768. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Re: You don't want IDE! Message-ID: <Jun09.143836.33918@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1993 14:38:36 GMT References: <1993Jun9.070244.23616@csus.edu> <1993Jun9.100434.1764@leland.Stanford.EDU> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > You really, really don't want to use MFM, RLL, or IDE drives on > a NEXTSTEP (or UNIX, or OS/2, or NT) system. That's an interesting remark to make offhand. Why wouldn't I want to use an IDE drive for NS/i? They're too inexpensive? They're faster than many cheap SCSI drives? The controller is integrated into the motherboard on most machines? I'm sorry, IDE works just fine on my NS/i machine. > Given that NS/FIP is distributed on CD-ROM, and CD-ROM drives > tend to be SCSI devices In the PC world, they don't, really. It's just that the only ones NeXT supports "tend" to be SCSI devices. > ... NS/FIP customers would be SCSI-equipped, and presumably > would go ahead and purchase SCSI drives rather than a second > disk controller. In most cases SCSI will be the second disk controller. Given that machines can be purchased pre-loaded, or configured by hand with a borrowed SCSI card, I can forsee a LOT of NS/i machines without any SCSI interface at all. > I agree that ESDI support would be nice, but I can understand > why NeXT might consider this a low priority. Much less widespread use. Given that NS/i is targetted at a NEW generation of PCs (it runs quite well on newly announced machines, and quite poorly on anything else due to video characteristics), it makes sense to target the standard disk controller types for current PCs: IDE and SCSI. -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: repost request: Multispeed CR-ROM Summary Date: 14 Jun 1993 03:03:09 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vgppe$agm@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <CEDMAN.93Jun12085958@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) writes: > My experience has been that most (if not all) multi-speed CD-ROM > drives have problems on NeXT hardware which is running NS3.0. I > have no idea if those problems are solved in NS3.1 (although I > expect they are). > > I must have missed that at the time. Can you be more specific about > what problems you had ? I've been using a Toshiba 3401 (currently one > of the fastest CD ROM drives on the market) for several months now > without any problems on files large or small. I did a fair bit of testing, though far from exhaustive. While I didn't have any troubles with non-photo CD discs, I did have some I/O errors when reading photo CD files using a multi-speed CD-ROM drive. The same files read fine using the NeXT CD-ROM drive, or using the same multi-speed drive with the same disc on non-NeXT hardware. My attitude right now is to wait to see what NS3.1 is like, and try some of my testing again. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Need to change my internal HDD to sd1a Message-ID: <1993Jun13.193142.27116@news.csuohio.edu> Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 19:31:42 GMT Hello. I have a NeXTStation Turbo with an internal 250 MB HDD. I just got a fujitsu 2.4 gigger and I would like to make the larger Fujitsu the first HDD (sd0a). How does one do alter the pins on the internal HDD to do this? I cannot find something about it in the docs, so I hope somebody here would not mind emailing me the things to do. This is really appreciated, so thanks in advance. Joe -- | Joe Rosenfeld cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu | CSU Law Library j.rosenfeld@csuohio.edu
From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT won't turn on... Message-ID: <16104@optilink.COM> Date: 14 Jun 93 05:58:18 GMT References: <1va8ucINNpjp@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> <C8ILwI.3zG@infoserv.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA In article <C8ILwI.3zG@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com writes: > Pull the battery and short the terminals with a wire. > The boot parameters in the CMOS ram are probably screwed up. > This is a common problem. Uhhh... I think he means short the terminals ->of the battery holder<- on the circuit board ->once the battery is removed<-. Do not short the terminals of the battery itself. Shorting a Lithium battery is potentially dangerous. Brad Yearwood brad@optilink.com
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Need to change my internal HDD to sd1a Date: 14 Jun 1993 00:30:36 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1vh9es$5qb@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1993Jun13.193142.27116@news.csuohio.edu> In article <1993Jun13.193142.27116@news.csuohio.edu> cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes: >Hello. I have a NeXTStation Turbo with an internal 250 MB HDD. I just >got a fujitsu 2.4 gigger and I would like to make the larger Fujitsu the >first HDD (sd0a). How does one do alter the pins on the internal HDD to >do this? I cannot find something about it in the docs, so I hope >somebody here would not mind emailing me the things to do. > >This is really appreciated, so thanks in advance. >Joe >-- > >| Joe Rosenfeld cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu >| CSU Law Library j.rosenfeld@csuohio.edu Sometimes, the pin configuration on a drive from right to left --when inserting the jumper--is: 4 2 1 : : : No jumper is 0 (which is what you want for your external to boot). To get SCSI id 3, for example, put a jumper on the first and second pair of pins from the right so you get 2 + 1 to equal 3. Get it? Just make sure you differentiate SCSI id from device id and everything should work out fine. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: shimo@jesdp.enet.dec.com (Hisaaki Shimo) Subject: Re: HELP? Sound on ISA Message-ID: <C8LnFL.FKF@jrd.dec.com> Sender: usenet@jrd.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Japan References: <91.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 07:01:32 GMT In article <91.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com>, pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes... > I have a ProAudioStudio (should be compatible) on a Dell 450/L using > DMA 7. Only very short sounds (beeps, tinks, etc.) work. Others get > pretty mangled. Things like Billiard.app sound ok in 8-bit gray but > not in color. (This all seems consistent with ISA overload to me.) > > I wanted to try a different DMA, but NEXTSTEP won't let me select DMA 1 > (it is grayed out in Configure.app) and 2,3,and 4 are in use by the > floppy, IDE, and memory refresh, and can't be changed. (I tried unloading > the floppy driver but 2 was still not available.) Please select DMA 1 for ProAudioSpectrum 16. Sounds work fine. But, you can't setup it with Configure.app. It's grayed out. Please use Edit, and modify "/NextLibrary/Devices/ProAudioSpectrum.config/Instance0.table". ------- Original -------------------------- . . "Valid DMA Channels" = "0 2 3 5 6 7"; . "DMA Channels" = "7"; . . ------- Modified -------------------------- . . "Valid DMA Channels" = "0 1 2 3 5 6 7"; . "DMA Channels" = "1"; . . This setup is not official, only quick hack. If you select DMA 1, ProAudioSpectrum may conflict other devices. Please modify the file at your own risk. Good luck !! -- Hisaaki Shimo Digital Equipment Corporation Japan Internet: shimo@tko.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: Is 3.1 "picky" ? Message-ID: <1993Jun14.100407.26564@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 10:04:07 GMT Is 3.1 "picky"? The Prisma GraphicSTAR FX Mach 32 graphics board uses the same ATI Mach 32 graphics coprocessor as the ATI Ultra Pro board, but would it work with 3.1? Is the ATI chipset sufficient for compatibility? Bart -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gpoc@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it (Gianfranco Pocecai) Subject: HP Vectra / NSFIP Sender: news-mail@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (News mail user) Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 12:13:15 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun14.121315.14005@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> Hi everybody!! Which is the best configuration for an HP Vectra N to run NSFIP? Should I use scsi or ide Hard Disk? and what about the HP ethernet card? it works? Please help me as we will receive an HP Vectra N for free but I must have the right configuration for NSFIP. thanks Gianfranco -- Gianfranco Pocecai President of "NeXT2YOU", The Italian NEXTSTEP User Group University of Milano - Computer Science Department Via Comelico, 39/41 20135 Milano - Italy E-mail : gpoc@cube.sm.dsi.unimi.it
From: powell@tropic.aoml.erl.gov (Mark Powell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Problem installing SMC Ethernet card on NS/I Intel GX pro Date: 14 Jun 1993 13:17:35 GMT Organization: U.S. Department of Commerce, NOAA/AOML Message-ID: <1vhtpf$fr@wave.aoml.erl.gov> We are trying to get the prerelease version of NS/I to install on an Intel GX pro with 32 MB ram, DPT scsi, etc. We had a hard disk problem that delayed us for a few weeks and are finally getting back to it. We have ordered 3.1 but havent received it yet. We match the latest config guidelines available for the card setting the jumper W1 to soft and W2 to none/soft and using EZSETUP. We also configured it with the "Configure Devices Panel" during the installation process to match the EZSETUP guidelines. We are using thin wire BNC. When we boot the system recognises the card but does not recognise the network. It delays after "Registering display0" then after maybe 10 seconds later we get "No response from network configuration server. Type Control-C to start up computer without a network connection." We have tested the same T connector with other computers and it works fine. Any Ideas?
From: powell@tropic.aoml.erl.gov (Mark Powell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Problem installing SMC Ethernet card on NS/I Intel GX pro Date: 14 Jun 1993 16:22:03 GMT Organization: U.S. Department of Commerce, NOAA/AOML Message-ID: <1vi8jb$36d@wave.aoml.erl.gov> References: <1vhtpf$fr@wave.aoml.erl.gov> In article <1vhtpf$fr@wave.aoml.erl.gov> powell@tropic.aoml.erl.gov (Mark Powell) writes: > We are trying to get the prerelease version of NS/I to install on an Intel GX pro... It works now! It turned out that the IRQ interupts for the audio IO ports on the Intel GX were set to the same value as the ethernet card. Once we changed these it worked! Looks real good too!
From: powell@tropic.aoml.erl.gov (Mark Powell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Problem installing SMC Ethernet card on NS/I Intel GX pro Date: 14 Jun 1993 16:22:43 GMT Organization: U.S. Department of Commerce, NOAA/AOML Message-ID: <1vi8kj$36e@wave.aoml.erl.gov> References: <1vhtpf$fr@wave.aoml.erl.gov> In article <1vhtpf$fr@wave.aoml.erl.gov> powell@tropic.aoml.erl.gov (Mark Powell) writes: > We are trying to get the prerelease version of NS/I to install on an >Intel GX pro... It works now! It turned out that the IRQ interupts for the audio IO ports on the Intel GX were set to the same value as the ethernet card. Once we changed these it worked! Looks real good too!
From: dwells@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu (David Wells) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS486 video Q Date: 14 Jun 1993 12:25:42 -0700 Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program Message-ID: <1vijbm$ie6@alamut.cognet.ucla.edu> Summary: want 1120x832x16b I'm trying to put together a NS486 system, and the Hardware Compatiblity Guide has answered most of my questions. However, I want the video system to be 1120x832x16bits @ 72hz or better, and the only qualifying adapter is bundled with a Dell 450DE/2 DGX - they want over $6k for one of those!!! Besides, it sounds like video to CPU bandwidth is critical, so I'd perfer a DX-50 system over Dell's DX2-50. Are there any other VLB options to meet my video spec? Thanks, David -- David Wells "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us" - The Addams Family's creed
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u7913108@ccsun21.cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: Question about NS/I ( CD-ROM & ATI ) Message-ID: <1993Jun14.202842.16273@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 20:28:42 GMT Hi, all NS/I users: I saw many people was succesfully installed the NS/I ... Some question I want to know: Does anyone use the double-speed CD-ROM driver ... I think the NS 3.2 will formal support the Photo CD, so double-speed CD-ROM is a better choose for the people to buy ... Does anyone use the ATI EISA VL version ( not ISA VL ), my friend told me that ATI * DO * have EISA VL, so it's also a better choose if you want to use EISA VL motherboard ... then you can use EISA VL graphics card and EISA SCSI card ... any information will be glad to see ... Thanks Mark - - - - - - - - - - u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw ( NOT NeXTmail please )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u7913108@ccsun21.cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: Question about NS/I ( CD-ROM & ATI ) Message-ID: <1993Jun14.203055.16363@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 20:30:55 GMT Hi, all NS/I users: I saw many people was succesfully installed the NS/I ... Some question I want to know: Does anyone use the double-speed CD-ROM driver ... I think the NS 3.2 will formal support the Photo CD, so double-speed CD-ROM is a better choose for the people to buy ... Does anyone use the ATI EISA VL version ( not ISA VL ), my friend told me that ATI * DO * have EISA VL, so it's also a better choose if you want to use EISA VL motherboard ... then you can use EISA VL graphics card and EISA SCSI card ... any information will be glad to see ... Thanks Mark - - - - - - - - - - u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw ( NOT NeXTmail please )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: Question about NS/I ( CD-ROM & ATI ) Message-ID: <1993Jun14.203545.16615@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 20:35:45 GMT [ Article crossposted from comp.sys.next.advocacy ] [ Author was *** Mark Lin *** ] [ Posted on Mon, 14 Jun 1993 20:32:59 GMT ] [ Article crossposted from comp.sys.next.hardware ] [ Author was *** Mark Lin *** ] [ Posted on Mon, 14 Jun 1993 20:28:42 GMT ] Hi, all NS/I users: I saw many people was succesfully installed the NS/I ... Some question I want to know: Does anyone use the double-speed CD-ROM driver ... I think the NS 3.2 will formal support the Photo CD, so double-speed CD-ROM is a better choose for the people to buy ... Does anyone use the ATI EISA VL version ( not ISA VL ), my friend told me that ATI * DO * have EISA VL, so it's also a better choose if you want to use EISA VL motherboard ... then you can use EISA VL graphics card and EISA SCSI card ... any information will be glad to see ... Thanks Mark - - - - - - - - - - u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw ( NOT NeXTmail please )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u7913108@ccsun21.cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: Question about NS/I ( CD-ROM & ATI ) Message-ID: <1993Jun14.203743.16724@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 20:37:43 GMT Hi, all NS/I users: I saw many people was succesfully installed the NS/I ... Some question I want to know: Does anyone use the double-speed CD-ROM driver ... I think the NS 3.2 will formal support the Photo CD, so double-speed CD-ROM is a better choose for the people to buy ... Does anyone use the ATI EISA VL version ( not ISA VL ), my friend told me that ATI * DO * have EISA VL, so it's also a better choose if you want to use EISA VL motherboard ... then you can use EISA VL graphics card and EISA SCSI card ... any information will be glad to see ... Thanks Mark - - - - - - - - - - u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw ( NOT NeXTmail please )
From: slv0y@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/i install problems! Message-ID: <1993Jun14.145733.69194@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Jun 93 14:57:33 MDT Organization: Utah State University I am trying to set up one of our 486 computers with NeXTSTEP 486 3.1 but I am getting some strange errors when I boot and it hangs. This is what the messages are that I get: reading systemconfig: /usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table loading mach_kernel ISA Bus warning: using internal backup device config tables PCPointer Probe: mouseInit failure Registering:PCKeyboard0 Regsitering:PCPointer0 PS2Keyboard/DoResend: Unexpected RESEND from keyboard And then it hangs. If I try booting with config=Default, it get a whole bunch of errors saying that it can't find the default drivers... HELP! Any help would be appreciated. This is a clone machine, but if you have any ideas of what might be wrong please let me know. John Z. slv0y@cc.usu.edu
From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Apple CD 300 and Double speed CD roms Date: 15 Jun 1993 00:50:18 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vj6ca$b0r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Hi, I'm just looking into getting a CD rom drive for black hardware so I can finally move on from NS2.1. Has anyone had any experience with using an Apple CD 300 Double speed drive with a NeXT..Any problems or is it just plug and play? The drive is a Double speed unit...some one recently posted something about double speed drives which unfortunatly I didn't keep...are there any know problems with this type of unit? Thanks john.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlc@cx5.com Subject: CD-ROM drives for NeXT black (and white), recmds needed Message-ID: <1993Jun15.005444.287@cx5.com> Sender: tlc@cx5.com Organization: CX5 (San Francisco) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 00:54:44 GMT I don't have FTP capabilities, so can't get any FAQs. I need to buy a CD-ROM drive for a NeXTcube. I would like it to work with an anticipated NeXTSTEP Intel box, or whatever else comes down the pike. The models I am looking at: Toshiba XM3401B 200ms Access Time 330KB/sec Transfer Rate Multi-Spin/Multi-Speed 256K Cache NEC CDR 84-1 Multi-Spin/Speed/Session (no more specs available) 1. What is Multi-Spin, Multi-Speed, and Multi-Session? 2. Are there special drivers I have to make sure the NeXT has to work with these units, or will NeXTSTEP work with any SCSI CD-ROM drive? 3. Any special features to look for, and any specific NeXTSTEP drives to recommend? Thanks. I'll summarize DUI (depending upon interest) Thierry Castro tlc@cx5.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: $849 1.2 gig drives Message-ID: <C8n52p.H4r@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting Distribution: na Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 02:18:24 GMT I posted that I could get Maxtor P0-12S (full height) refurbished drives for $849. The place is called Disk Drive Depot They are located at 500-H lawrence Expressway Sunnyvale, Ca. 94086 (408)738-3895 They are a portion of a company called Corporate Systems Center also in Sunnyvale, Ca. I think they do mail order. The only relationship I have with them is that I have one of their refubished P0-12S drives in my NeXTcube and a LXT213S in a NScolor. They have good service. Please no more mail asking the name and location!!!!!! Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: NeXT won't turn on... Message-ID: <1993Jun15.065624.8173@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <1va8ucINNpjp@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 06:56:24 GMT In article <1va8ucINNpjp@bigbird.cc.williams.edu> 93kwt@williams.edu (Wayne Thomas) writes: > My poor color station won't turn on. :( > > In any case, I've checked the cables and etc., though I don't have an > extra keyboard/... to test whether mine are good. Any suggestions (I've > only had it for a year, should I test the battery?) or directions to > more material would be useful. > > Thanks, > > Wayne I had a similar problem when I shipped one of my ColorStations here to PIXAR. Wouldn't power up. Then one of the Systems guys here mentioned that Sound Boxes were very touchy, and maybe it had gotten banged around during transit. He offered to open it up and show me (something about one of the boards being too close to the back, and...), but also suggested a good whack on the side helps. Being the silly sort that I am, I figured the whack was the better idea. I whacked the Sound Box against the table, plugged everything back together, and it worked fine. Now I'm certainly not suggesting you whack your Sound Box, but it worked for me... -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: arrouye@cosmos.imag.fr (Yves Arrouye) Subject: Changing an EPSON Progression into an NX: is it possible? Message-ID: <ARROUYE.93Jun15102445@cosmos.imag.fr> Sender: news@imag.fr Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 09:24:45 GMT Hi, I will buy a machine before the end of the week (it's my deadline, I know it's really short), and was interested into the Epson NX/Progression NX machines. However, in France, only the Progression (not NX) is actually distributed, and Epson France does not even know that the firm has a product with NX in its name! I was wondering if someone knows what is *exactly* the difference between the Progression, NX and Progression NX machines? And if it is possible to buy a progression now, and later change the video card in order to have a correct display size (i.e. 1024x768, because the Progression's 800x600 is not really big)? Please help me! I have only 2-3 days to decide what to buy... Thanks in advamce, Yves -- With one processor, we verify that the time spent Yves Arrouye in controlling parallelism is not too long. arrouye@mistral.imag.fr arrouye@imag.imag.fr -- Yannick Tre'molet, LMC (33) 76 57 48 61
From: waynem@bcarh4e6.bnr.ca (Wayne MacLaurin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: On/Off switch on NeXT Monitor Date: 15 Jun 1993 13:23:34 GMT Organization: S.I.R. Tools Development - BNR Ltd. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vkigm$9dv@bcarh4e2.bnr.ca> G'day, Has anybody wondered why NeXT didn't put a simple on/off switch on their mono monitors ? I usually leave my slab on all the time but that monitor really pumps out alot of heat. A simple on/off switch would be some much better. On a similar note, has anybody tried putting an on/off switch on a monitor ? +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Wayne MacLaurin S.I.R. Tools Development | | waynem@bnr.ca Bell Northern Research | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Did you got rid of all the voices in your head ? - David | | Do you now miss them and things that they said ? - Gilmour | +----------------------------------------------------------------+
From: rdell@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (richard.b.dell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <C8o07E.D38@cbfsb.cb.att.com> Date: 15 Jun 93 13:30:50 GMT References: <1uqe67$t6b@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun6.165523.20331@resonex.com> <1993Jun9.082758.733@totaltec.com> Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com Distribution: usa Organization: AT&T In article <1993Jun9.082758.733@totaltec.com> mark@totaltec.com writes: >In article <1993Jun6.165523.20331@resonex.com>, zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >> In article <1uqe67$t6b@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: >>>In article <1993Jun3.153713.5214@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes: >>> >> The first proposal is quite interesting :) The second one is however precisely >> what I want to say: do not save too much to one media. >> >> >> If you mean that you backup at once a system with, say, 2 Gig then of >> course you are right. But if the system disk space is smaller, it is safer >> to make one backup on a tape, or at least not *too many* backups thanks to >> compression. Your opinion may vary. >> I say, that we have about 20 customers using DAT and some of them are using >> DATs for more than 2 years, storing daily up to 200 Mb. >> From time to time it happens, that some DAT cassettes turn to be unreadable. >> The customers DO NOT reuse the cassettes (I mean: they only append until the >> tape is full). ALL the failures had happen, when the cassette was almost full >> (i.e. after 2-3 weaks of using it). There is NO AVAILABLE utility in the >> world allowing recovery of data from DAT cassette after it behaves as >> having EOD at the beginning. Draw conclusions by yourself. >> >> I agree, that many of you may have better opinions about DAT. >> Especially, when you don't use so many cassettes. The experiences I am talking >> about happened, say, 5 cassettes from (about) 600 used. >> >> I am switching to e-mail discussion, if anybody wants to continue. >> >> >> Zenon. > >This whole discussion is stupid! What is the big deal ? You buy the largest >capacity drive you can afford. You buy 20 tapes. You use 4 tapes, one each day >for Monday thru Thursday doing modified backups each time. You use 4 tapes, one >for each Friday doing full backups. You use 12 tapes, one day each month to do >a full backup. It's called the Grandfather method. Appending to a tape till its >full is asking for trouble. Cassetes are cheap, you have the capacity, so use >it. Why append. Do a full backup!! This is the first time I've heard someone >say I don't like those drives because they hold to much data! This is >rediculouse <sp?>. >Mark Remeta A little harsh in tone, but I certainly agree with the concept. Why indeed append to any tape, when the act of appending can destroy all existing data on the tape, and tapes are relatively cheap? I never trust (as mentioned someplace else in this thread) less than three backups of valuable data before I reuse a tape, and am very fond of the weekly type of scheduling, similar to what is mentioned above. A set of daily tapes, a set of weeklies replacing one of the dailys, and a set of monthlies replacing one of the weeklies. I also do not particularly like incremental backups. If feasable, having a full backup on each tape is the best way to go. This can, of course, be a problem if the backup process takes too long for a full backup, but if you can schedule it through cron to run when the system load is low, even a several hour backup is not unmanagable. And so much more secure than doing incrementals, every tape is com- plete, rather than requiring all tapes back to the last full backup inclusive to be readable. -- Richard Dell -- pseaking for himself, of course
From: cx777@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Arnaud Scomparin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT 1.4 Go SCSI drive address ? Date: 15 Jun 1993 13:58:58 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1vkkj2$2ml@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> I've got a 1.4 Go SCSI drive from NeXT and I don't want to replace my 400 MBytes drive in my cube, as written in NeXT documentation... I just want to put the drive in an extrenal box, but I have big trouble to configure it, because I have no indications about the switches for the SCSI address. Is there anybody to help me with this problem ? Which of the switches do I have to connect to get the SCSI id 2 or 4 for instance ? The drive is the typical seagate 5 1/4 one sold by NeXT. Arnaud cx777@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: CD-ROM drives for NeXT black (and white), recmds needed In-Reply-To: tlc@cx5.com's message of Tue, 15 Jun 1993 00:54:44 GMT To: tlc@cx5.com Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jun15100751@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Jun15.005444.287@cx5.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 14:07:50 GMT In article <1993Jun15.005444.287@cx5.com> tlc@cx5.com writes: I don't have FTP capabilities, so can't get any FAQs. I need to buy a CD-ROM drive for a NeXTcube. I would like it to work with an anticipated NeXTSTEP Intel box, or whatever else comes down the pike. The models I am looking at: Toshiba XM3401B 200ms Access Time 330KB/sec Transfer Rate Multi-Spin/Multi-Speed 256K Cache NEC CDR 84-1 Multi-Spin/Speed/Session (no more specs available) 1. What is Multi-Spin, Multi-Speed, and Multi-Session? Multi-Spin means that the disk can rotate a several different angular velocities. This is necessary for drives to be able to do Multi-Speed which means that the drive can transmit data off the CD at several different speeds, usually 150 kByte/sec (like most single speed drives) and 300 kByte/sec (which most multi-speed drives can do) and 600 kByte/sec (which to the best of my knowledge only one consumer drive -- a rather expensive one by Pioneer can do). Multi-Session is orthogonal to these distinctions. All this means is that the drive can read CDs the contents of which have not be written all at once (like most CDs) but in several sessions over a period of time. This is necessary to be able to read most PhotoCDs. Unfortunately there is no software support for this from NeXT at the current time in either 3.1 or 3.0. 2. Are there special drivers I have to make sure the NeXT has to work with these units, or will NeXTSTEP work with any SCSI CD-ROM drive? NeXTs will work with every reasonably standard conformant SCSI CD ROM drive (like any of those above). 3. Any special features to look for, and any specific NeXTSTEP drives to recommend? You may want to look for a drive which can read digital audio off music CDs and tranmit it digitally over the SCSI bus to the host computer. Only a few drives have this ability, among them is certainly the Toshiba 3401 but also the NEC [78]4-1 (but not the bare [78]4) or so I hear. Carl Edman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: shawn@monitor.com Subject: Intel EtherExpress **QUESTIONS/PROBLEMS** Message-ID: <C8o19y.DI@monitor.com> Sender: shawn@monitor.com (Shawn Broderick) Organization: Monitor Company / IE Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 13:53:58 GMT We're mucking around with Intel EtherExpress cards and have had some problems. Intel has told us that the EtherExpress series is on its third ROM set and that NeXT is probably only supporting the first two sets in 3.1 (they exchanged our board free of charge, which was nice). The Intel support person was partially guessing on this one, so I'm curious to know if anyone has a real answer on it. The Combo cards just don't seem to work. A tech support person at NeXT said that their driver doesn't deal with sensing the right port correctly and will almost always default to AUI (thick). We have not been able to get an EtherExpress card to work correctly yet. If the sensing doesn't work and it defaults to AUI then what happens on non-Combo cards which have the requisite connector _and_ AUI --- it seems to default to AUI too! Are people out there using Intel EtherExpress cards at all? I'd muchos appreciate any data/info/suggestions/gotchas/etc... Thanks. Shawn -------------------------------------------------------- Shawn Broderick Monitor Company / Information Engineering Co-Director, BCS NeXT shawn@monitor.com (617) 252-2090 -------------------------------------------------------- FADE IN A tenement building on Manhattan's Lower East Side. Early morning traffic is audible, as is the cry of the fishmongers. -------------------------------------------------------- -- -------------------------------------------------------- Shawn Broderick Monitor Company / Information Engineering Co-Director, BCS NeXT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: dkwan@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Derek Kwan) Subject: *SBPro and NSI?* Message-ID: <C8o3zL.5ro@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: news@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca Organization: University of Waterloo Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 14:52:33 GMT Does NeXTSTEP for Intel support SBPro? Derek
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Problems with NS/FIP installation -> keyboard lock-up (Gateway 2000 warning!!!!) Date: 15 Jun 1993 15:57:48 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1vkrhs$ht@menudo.uh.edu> We are having repeatable problems trying to install NS/fip on a Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V system. This system has the following configuration: Phoenix 80486 Rom Bios Plus ver 0.10 GJX30-01d (1985-1990) Micronics Local Bus Motherboard 16M Ram ATI Ultra Pro Graphics Adapter with 2M VRAM and RAMDAC chipset 124 Key "Anykey" keyboard 340M Harddrive Adaptec 1540C SCSI Host adapter The problem is similar to the ones that others are experiencing: When the installation gets to the point where it asks for a language (i.e.) Type 1 to use the English language and USA keyboard while ... Tapez 2 pour installer NEXSTEP avec un clavier et des ... Eingabe 3 fur NEXSTEP-Installation mit deutscher ... At this point the keyboard is completely dead. It will not respond. The only recourse is to reboot. Various BIOS settings as well as boot parameters have been tried. They all end with the same result -- a locked keyboard. The problem could be worked around if the file /etc/rc.cdrom.i386 had a time out feature in this case statement: if [ -z "${CUSTOM}" -o ${CUSTOM} -eq 0 ] then reply="" while [ -z "$reply" ] do clear echo "Type 1 to use the English language and USA keyboard while installing NEXTSTEP." echo "Tapez 2 pour installer NEXTSTEP avec un clavier et des messages francais." echo "Eingabe 3 fur NEXTSTEP-Installation mit deutscher Sprache und Tastatur." echo "Premi 4 per installare NEXTSTEP usando lingua italiana e tastiera italiana." echo "Pulse 5 para usar el idioma y el teclado espanol en la instalacion de NEXTSTEP." echo "Skriv 6 for att anvanda svenska/svenskt tangentbord vid installation av NEXTSTEP" echo -n "---> " read reply case "$reply" in 1|2|3|4|5|6) break;; *) reply="" continue;; esac done LANGUAGE=`eval echo \\$lang$reply` # Let localecho know what our language is... export LANGUAGE But the system will wait forever until a key is pressed.... An interesting note: The bios on our Gateway is different that the one that NeXT did their certification one. I called Gateway Tech support today and they commented that they changed versions of the motherboard as well as the BIOS. NeXTSTEP Certified Gateway: Gateway 2000 66V with Micronics MCM2 Chip Set Our version (newer): Gateway 2000 66V with Micronics X30 Chip Set Gateway noted that at this time there was not a Flash disk for the X30 Chip set. There may be one in the future... If anyone has any idea of what we can do to get this to work, please contact me. I can provide more details to the BIOS settings if desired.... -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: h0l847a@tamsun.tamu.edu (Hoseong La) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Any sources for (non-ADB) monochrome monitors? Date: 15 Jun 1993 11:09:33 -0500 Organization: tamu Message-ID: <1vks7t$jt4@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <ANDERSON.93Jun3102221@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> In article <ANDERSON.93Jun3102221@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Stephen Anderson) writes: >Some time ago I inquired of the net about places that might have some >old (non-ADB) monochrome MegaPixel displays left in stock. I had > (deleted) >Well, they filled the order, but they sent me an ADB model instead, Ooooops! Does this mean all avilable monitors are ADB and not compatible with others? I am looking for a mono monitor for my NeXTstation, for which I cannot tell if it is ADB or not. Since the manual does not say anything, I assume it should be non-ADB. I bought at second hand recently and the original purchase was made some time in 1991. Could anybody help me out what is going on here? If it is the case, does this mean I have a dead crippled system? Crying out, hs
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gfin@grid (Gary Finley) Subject: Re: NS/FIP and ESDI hard drives? Message-ID: <1993Jun15.155526.12426@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <1993Jun10.150243.5902@biztech.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 15:55:26 GMT This is why I expect good speed from a localbus IDE disk controller. Without the ISA bottleneck, these inexpensive disks should be all one needs, except for the problem of connecting the CD Rom-drive to load the O/S in the first place. -------------------------------------------- Gary Finley, Univ of Alberta Psychology Dept. gfin@psych.ualberta.ca (NeXTmail welcome!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gordie@cyclesoft.com (Gordie Freedman) Subject: Re: Apple CD 300 and Double speed CD roms Message-ID: <1993Jun15.163745.789@netcom.com> Sender: gordie@netcom.com Organization: Cyclesoft Media Works References: <1vj6ca$b0r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 16:37:45 GMT In article <1vj6ca$b0r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: > > Has anyone had any experience with using an Apple CD 300 Double > speed drive with a NeXT..Any problems or is it just plug and > play? > > The drive is a Double speed unit...some one recently posted > something about double speed drives which unfortunatly I didn't > keep...are there any know problems with this type of unit? > I have an Apple double speed CD-ROM drive connected to my NSC right now. I have been able to access CDs with no problems (I copied over PhotoAlbum.app from the 3.1 CD to my 3.0 machine and have been able to read photo CDs fine). This drive also worked fine on a NeXTStep system on a Gateway hanging off the SCSI. Looks to be plug and play on both machines. After I get the developer CD in the mail I'm going to try to install everything using this CD - I was able to install 3.1 on the Gateway with it. -- >>> Gordie Freedman -> gordie@cyclesoft.com NeXTMail Yes! >>> Thou shalt not inline functions more complicated than 20
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ploeger@aplki.toppoint.de (Andreas Ploeger) Subject: Analog/Digital Converter and NSI? Message-ID: <1993Jun15.150822.1430@aplki.toppoint.de> Sender: ploeger@aplki.toppoint.de (Andreas Ploeger) Organization: Andreas Ploeger Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 15:08:22 GMT Hi everyone, I need to do analog to digital conversion for a signal processing application (the requirements are not too high: 8 channels, 12 Bit, 100 Hz). Does anyone have experiences using PC ADC cards under NeXTstep/Intel? Is the driver kit stable and well documented enough? Please answer by mail. I will summarize. Thanks! Andreas -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Ploeger E-Mail: ploeger@tpki.toppoint.de Kiel University Phone: (49) 431 597 1757 Clinic for Pediatric Cardiology FAX: (49) 431 597 1828 Schwanenweg 20, 2300 Kiel 1, Germany *** NeXT Mail welcome *** -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Ploeger E-Mail: ploeger@tpki.toppoint.de
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: HELP? Sound on ISA-SOLVED Message-ID: <100.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 16:12:02 PDT References: <C8LnFL.FKF@jrd.dec.com> Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA > From: shimo@jesdp.enet.dec.com (Hisaaki Shimo) > Message-ID: <C8LnFL.FKF@jrd.dec.com> > Sender: usenet@jrd.dec.com (USENET News System) > Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1993 07:01:32 GMT > > In article <91.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com>, pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) writes... > > > I have a ProAudioStudio (should be compatible) on a Dell 450/L using > > DMA 7. Only very short sounds (beeps, tinks, etc.) work. Others get > > pretty mangled. Things like Billiard.app sound ok in 8-bit gray but > > not in color. (This all seems consistent with ISA overload to me.) > > > > I wanted to try a different DMA, but NEXTSTEP won't let me select DMA 1 > > (it is grayed out in Configure.app) and 2,3,and 4 are in use by the > > floppy, IDE, and memory refresh, and can't be changed. (I tried unloading > > the floppy driver but 2 was still not available.) > > Please select DMA 1 for ProAudioSpectrum 16. Sounds work fine. > But, you can't setup it with Configure.app. It's grayed out. Please use Edit, > and modify "/NextLibrary/Devices/ProAudioSpectrum.config/Instance0.table". > > ------- Original -------------------------- > . > . > "Valid DMA Channels" = "0 2 3 5 6 7"; > . > "DMA Channels" = "7"; > . > . > > ------- Modified -------------------------- > . > . > "Valid DMA Channels" = "0 1 2 3 5 6 7"; > . > "DMA Channels" = "1"; > . > . > > This setup is not official, only quick hack. If you select DMA 1, > ProAudioSpectrum may conflict other devices. Please modify the file > at your own risk. > > Good luck !! > -- > Hisaaki Shimo > Digital Equipment Corporation Japan > Internet: shimo@tko.dec.com Thanks for this suggestion. It was on the right track but not quite sufficient. I also had to change the IRQ for the card from 10 to 5. After this change, I am also able to record with the microphone, which hadn't worked before either. So DMA: 1 IRQ: 5 works fine. Note that this is the combination MediaVision suggests for SoundBlaster emulation under DOS. I don't know why NeXT doesn't consider 1 a valid channel, or why the IRQ makes a difference. I would have thought the IRQ were all pretty much created equal. But then that would be too easy. Don't give a DOS to the one you love most. --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
From: lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu (Pascal Chesnais) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Intel EtherExpress Flash Adapters dont work with Intel Pro-GX machines Message-ID: <1993Jun15.173906.25331@news.media.mit.edu> Date: 15 Jun 93 17:39:06 GMT Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Distribution: na Organization: MIT Media Laboratory They do work with NEC ultralite VERSA Dockingstation. The card has TP, AUI, and Thin. Card selects which is actively connected. Intel says that their EtherExpress16 TP and combo should work with the Intel Pro-GX system. thought someone might need this info. pasc
Message-ID: <dl$@byu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 11:57:16 MDT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: pmarc@newt.ee.byu.edu (Paul Cardon) Distribution: na References: <C8n52p.H4r@infoserv.com> Organization: Brigham Young University ECEN Dept Subject: Re: $849 1.2 gig drives In article <C8n52p.H4r@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com writes: |> I posted that I could get Maxtor P0-12S (full height) refurbished drives for |> $849. |> |> The place is called Disk Drive Depot |> They are located at 500-H lawrence Expressway |> Sunnyvale, Ca. 94086 |> (408)738-3895 |> |> They are a portion of a company called Corporate Systems Center also in |> Sunnyvale, Ca. |> |> I think they do mail order. |> |> The only relationship I have with them is that I have one of their |> refubished P0-12S drives in my NeXTcube and a LXT213S in a NScolor. |> They have good service. |> |> Please no more mail asking the name and location!!!!!! |> |> Kent |> -- |> /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ |> /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */ The only thing I would want to know is what kind of warranty do these drives have? Later- Paul Cardon pmarc@newt.ee.byu.edu
From: vsse@ozstar.cc.vt.edu (VSSE Account) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Personal LaserWriter on NeXTstation Keywords: LaserWriter NeXTstation printing Message-ID: <4571@creatures.cs.vt.edu> Date: 15 Jun 93 18:18:45 GMT Sender: usenet@creatures.cs.vt.edu Hi everyone, We have 2 machines: NeXTstation 68040 NeXTstation TurboColor 68040 Which were running NS 2.1 and were upgraded to 3.0. Both machines have Mini DIN 8 serial ports. We also have an Apple Personal LaserWriter NT running RS-232/9600 and RS-422/9600. The problem is that under NS 2.1 the LaserWriter would print from the plain NeXTstation. Now after upgrading to 3.0 the printer won't work on either machine. Has anyone experience this problem or have any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Chuck Esterbrook NeXTSTEP Programmer Computer Sci Dept Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 24060 vsse@ozstar.cs.vt.edu
From: jmm@king.econ.lsa.umich.edu (Jeffrey K. MacKie-Mason) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Mouse getting wobbly Date: 15 Jun 1993 18:21:18 GMT Organization: University of Michigan - College of Literature, Science, and TheArts Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vl3uu$56g@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> The mouse on my old cube has suddenly started "wobbling" as I move it (the ball is noisy, seems loose). I remember this happening on another machine (not mine) and the ability of the mouse to track seemed to deteriorate rapidly after that. Is there something I should do to nurse this mouse back to health? -- Prof. Jeff MacKie-Mason internet: jmm@umich.edu Dept. of Economics bitnet: usergc76@umichum Univ. of Michigan phone: 313-764-7438 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 fax: 313-763-9181
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Apple CD 300 and Double speed CD roms Date: 15 Jun 1993 17:15:23 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vl03bINNq1r@golden.kaleida.com> References: <1vj6ca$b0r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> In article <1vj6ca$b0r@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes: > Has anyone had any experience with using an Apple CD 300 Double speed drive with > a NeXT..Any problems or is it just plug and play? > We've used the AppleCD with both Black and White hardware. It was just plug and play. By the way, this makes a BIG difference when installing 3.1! Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com
From: janthony@nextsrv1.andi.org (Jay Anthony) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel P/GX and NS/FIP Experience Date: 15 Jun 1993 14:46:13 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> >I still highly recommend the machine. Hopefully, the drivers for the >on-board SCSI-II and excellent audio will address the machine's >current disadvantages. As far as 1024x768, I have not found this to >be an agravation. In fact, I am beginning to prefer the smaller >screen since I do not have to move the mouse as much. You might >think twice before you sink major bucks into less than 100 >additional pixels. In fact, if you have a NeXT, set the screen >resolution to 1024x768 via NetInfo and play with it to get the feel. I had no idea you could do this! I tried playing with NetInfo for a while, but couldn't find a way... could you explain how this is done? I would love to try it for just the reason you say. Thanks! --Jay-- --- Jason W. Anthony NeXTmail: DigitalExpressions@andi.org Digital Expressions Inc. Voice/Fax: +1 518 346-0568
From: janthony@nextsrv1.andi.org (Jay Anthony) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Full-powered Portable for NEXTSTEP? Date: 15 Jun 1993 14:48:18 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9306151946.AA26993@nextsrv1.andi.org> I would *really* like to find a portable that, with a docking-station, could give me a top-of-the-line desktop system (i.e. get the "best of both worlds.") The NEC UltraLite seems great except for the ISA bus of the docking-station: hard-drive performace aside, I assume that means I can't run a large monitor (1000+ horizontal resolution) off it when I'm home. Does anyone know of a portable that with a docking station, can give me all the RAM, large-screen, SCSI hard-drive, ethernet, and other goodies of a "true" NeXT/Intel machine? Thanks for any help! --Jay-- --- Jason W. Anthony NeXTmail: DigitalExpressions@andi.org Digital Expressions Inc. Voice/Fax: +1 518 346-0568
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: inmcoop@bnr.ca (Dennis Pejcha) Subject: Re: Any sources for (non-ADB) monochrome monitors? References: <ANDERSON.93Jun3102221@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> <1vks7t$jt4@tamsun.tamu.edu> Sender: inmcoop@bcarh4ce (Wayne Shelley) Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 18:27:50 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun15.182750.16546@zoonews.bnr.ca> Up until I saw this original post, I didn't think that there were *ANY* monochrome ADB monitors. I ordered my turbo station end of January this year, about two weeks before the hardware division went bye-bye. The machine arrived two more weeks after that with an old-style monitor (N4000A) and an ADB keyboard. At first I was excited at the prospect of being able to use the new ADB keyboard and mouse... until I realized I couldn't plug it in. After some digging in the manuals (and much swearing and cursing that I couldn't use my new machine yet) I found some references to a monitor with part number N4000B... I figured out that this must be the ADB version of the mono monitor so I marched back to the computer store and demanded that they get an N4000B shipped out here as soon as possible. After a few weeks borrowing an old-style keyboard from the store, I received... a keyboard. My theory was that the engineers in the hardware division had managed to redesign the monitor, but the hardware division had been sold off before it went into production. Now, however, I hear that someone actually had an N4000B monitor in their possession and I'm wondering... are very many of these units available? I would very much like to trade in my N4000A monitor and old-style keyboard and mouse for the new ADB models. My local NeXT reseller is looking into this possibility right now, but I thought I'd check the Internet at large to try and get some more information. Has anyone heard of any trades like this being performed? I know that Stephen Anderson (anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu) finally got his ADB monitor traded for a non-ADB unit through Bell Atlantic, but would they perform a reverse trade? How is their service anyway? Is it good in Canada as well? Please send replied via e-mail to reduce bandwidth. Thank you in advance... -D ----------------------------------+---------------------------------- My undergraduate identity: | My current co-op identity ----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Dennis Pejcha | Dennis Pejcha University of Waterloo | Bell Northern Research, Ottawa Faculty of Mathematics | Carling Labs, Lab 3 Comp. Sci. Major | Integrated Node Mtce, Co-op dpejcha@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca | inmcoop@bnr.ca ('til Aug/93) ----------------------------------+---------------------------------- |> >Some time ago I inquired of the net about places that might have some |> >old (non-ADB) monochrome MegaPixel displays left in stock. I had |> > (deleted) |> >Well, they filled the order, but they sent me an ADB model instead, |> |> Ooooops! |> Does this mean all avilable monitors are ADB and not compatible with others? |> I am looking for a mono monitor for my NeXTstation, for which I cannot tell |> if it is ADB or not. Since the manual does not say anything, I assume it |> should be non-ADB. I bought at second hand recently and the original purchase |> was made some time in 1991. |> Could anybody help me out what is going on here? |> If it is the case, does this mean I have a dead crippled system? |> |> Crying out, |> |> hs |>
From: tpugh@oce.orst.edu (Tim Pugh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What 128MB Mo's work w/ black h/w ? Message-ID: <1vlar8$ssi@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Date: 15 Jun 93 20:18:48 GMT References: <1v7q1oINN52b@crcnis1.unl.edu> Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University No problems with the MOST drives, 128MB or 256MB disks. Plug and play. I got mine from Liberty Systems, a Mac hardware dealer. - Tim - -- Tim Pugh College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University tpugh@oce.orst.edu NeXTmail ok!
From: powell@tropic.aoml.erl.gov (Mark Powell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: When will updated hardware compatibility guide be released ? Date: 15 Jun 1993 18:41:47 GMT Organization: U.S. Department of Commerce, NOAA/AOML Message-ID: <1vl55b$gov@wave.aoml.erl.gov> I just tried to access what I had hoped would be the new updated hardware compatibility guide for NS/I from NeXTanswers but they are still sending the June 1 version. Its supposed to be updated about every 2 weeks. Could someone post when it becomes available? With all the questions on configuring new systems alot of people are looking forward to it!
From: h0l847a@tamsun.tamu.edu (Hoseong La) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Any sources for (non-ADB) monochrome monitors? Date: 15 Jun 1993 16:46:16 -0500 Organization: tamu Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1vlfv8$37n@tamsun.tamu.edu> References: <ANDERSON.93Jun3102221@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> <1vks7t$jt4@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jun15.182750.16546@zoonews.bnr.ca> In article <1993Jun15.182750.16546@zoonews.bnr.ca> inmcoop@bnr.ca (Dennis Pejcha) writes: >Up until I saw this original post, I didn't think that there were *ANY* [deleted] How can I tell which one is nonADB? Of course, it seems to me that the part name N4000A tells it is nonADB. But by just looking at a keyboard, is there any way I can tell if it is nonADB or ADB? Is UNIX keyboard always nonADB? By looking at the package, is there any way to tell?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Subject: Re: RAM on Compaq - where'd it go? Message-ID: <C8onAA.61n@oceania.com> Sender: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems References: <1993Jun10.183929.25992@altsys.com> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 21:49:20 GMT Lorin Rivers III writes > In article <C7qz56.CIy@sybase.com> brill@sybase.com (Michael Brill) writes: > >Follow up to disappearing RAM problem. > > > >On my EISA Compaq Deskpro 66M, NS only sees 16 megs RAM where actually I > >have 64 megs installed. 8 megs are on the motherboard (the maximum) and > >the remainder are on a Kingston memory card that is designed to make the > >RAM look like Compaq system RAM. DOS's HIMEM.EXE (.SYS) can see all 64 > >megs, however if my config.sys looks like: DEVICE=HIMEM.EXE /isaonly > >then it only sees 16 megs because ISA is limited to 16 megs. So my guess > >is that NS thinks I have an ISA machine and limits RAM to 16 megs. > > > > I can't give you specifics, but it has to do with the linear frame > buffer. > I *can* give you specifics, and it does *not* have to do with any linear frame buffers in NeXT. It has to do with configuring the *memory* to be "linear". This is done with the EISA set-up utility before you ever get into NeXTStep. (We loaded NS, added memory, updateds EPROM with EISA utility, re-booted NS, and the extra memory got used.) Unfortunately, we managed to get our Compaq EPROM into a funny state, and it no longer boots! (So I can't look up the exact command.) The machine worked great for a while, however. :-( Later, John -- John Robison | john@oceania.com | This Space Available NeXTMail Accepted. | Call: 555-SIGS Opinions are my own. |
From: max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: adding floppy to cube Date: 15 Jun 93 16:36:13 Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, MN Message-ID: <MAX.93Jun15163613@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> Does anyone have experience or recommendations as to options for adding a floppy drive to an '040 cube that doesn't have one? PLI sells an external SCSI floppy drive for $449 (NeXTconnection price). I've also heard a speculation that one could just by a Teac 2.88Mb floppy drive out of computer shopper ($83) and plug it into the mother board with some ribbon cable, mounting it using some mechanical ingenuity. Can someone confirm or deny the latter wild speculation, comment on the PLI drive, or point out any other options to me? Many thanks.
From: jcs@cco.caltech.edu (John C. Stevenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/I ISA SVGA STB Horizon HELP! Date: 15 Jun 1993 22:51:38 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vljpqINNhj@gap.caltech.edu> I have th STB Horizon video board with 1MB just as specified by the hardware compatability guide (june 3) However, I can NOT get the 1024x728 2 bit grayscale to work. The plain VGA of course works. I have also tried other cirrus logic video boards and they also don't work. I get vertical stripping and black dragon behind the mouse. The configure app says there is only 128k at the video ram address. Has anyone got this RECOMMENDed video board to work in the SVGA 2-bit grayscale mode?? Help me, I'm melting Email and I'll summarize jcs@alumni.caltech.edu John Stevenson
From: npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Date: 15 Jun 1993 23:43:52 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vlmro$1vi@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <MAX.93Jun15163613@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> In article 93Jun15163613@Kolmogorov.gac.edu, max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) writes: > Does anyone have experience or recommendations as to options for > adding a floppy drive to an '040 cube that doesn't have one? PLI > sells an external SCSI floppy drive for $449 (NeXTconnection price). > I've also heard a speculation that one could just by a Teac 2.88Mb > floppy drive out of computer shopper ($83) and plug it into the mother > board with some ribbon cable, mounting it using some mechanical > ingenuity. > > Can someone confirm or deny the latter wild speculation, comment on > the PLI drive, or point out any other options to me? > > Many thanks. It works fine if you get the cabling right. The first time I saw this done was by an ex-NeXT engineer who had an old PLI drive that the SCSI controller had gone bad on. He just yanked the bare drive out of the PLI case, and plugged it directly into the '040 motherboard. Worked great-- AFTER he unplugged it from the motherboard, turned the cable around, then plugged it back in (seems he plugged it in backwards the first time). I've done it myself, too, and mine worked on the first shot. But, I had a keyed cable that wouldn't let me plug it in backwards :-). Nevin
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel P/GX and NS/FIP Experience Message-ID: <88053@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 15 Jun 93 21:59:58 GMT References: <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> Jay Anthony, janthony@nextsrv1.andi.org writes: >>additional pixels. In fact, if you have a NeXT, set the screen > >>resolution to 1024x768 via NetInfo and play with it to get the feel. > >I had no idea you could do this! I tried playing with NetInfo for a > >while, but couldn't find a way... could you explain how this is done? > >I would love to try it for just the reason you say. Please do pass this information on. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What 128MB Mo's work w/ black h/w ? Date: 15 Jun 1993 19:18:06 -0700 Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA Message-ID: <1vlvsu$mlr@spock.dis.cccd.edu> References: <1v7q1oINN52b@crcnis1.unl.edu> <1vlar8$ssi@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> Be careful when buying the MOST 256 because they just layed off half their company and stopped production. I think their marketing was just terrible since they have a great product that isn't selling. The most current rumor I've heard is that they are going back to R&D to come up with a higher capacity drive or a different somewhat related product altogether. The only real concern one should have is if MOST decides to discontinue the availability of their proprietary GZ format for 256 opticals. Too bad the public is so easily duped by product hype. MOST didn't do any of that and only advertised when product when ready. Maybe they should do full page adds now while still in their new planning stages. I am a bit dissapointed at the situation because MOST had a great product that is now going the way of the beta-cam. Hurrah------>VHS all the way (yuck). Oh yea, if you still want one you can look in the back of MacWorld and get one for $1498. That IS a good price since the price for re-sellers is $1550 and retail is over 2k. Also, as you all know, everyone is now hyping NeXTSTEP for Intel with a "68%" increased performance at a much cheaper price point but they neglect to mention product life. While black hardware is being given away, I wonder if anyone has done a comparison of hardware life cycles. For example, how long will a NeXT motherboard operate before failing compared to a third party motherboard with an Intel chipset? I bring this up because I frequent computer swap meets out here and am seeing 486 DX 33/66 motherboards with a pentium socket for an average price of $215 and cases with power supplies for $85 and can't help but wonder about the quality and durability of these products. What do you all think. maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: thsscvc@iitmax.iit.edu (Chris Conley) Subject: hand held scanner and cube Message-ID: <1993Jun16.024408.25286@iitmax.iit.edu> Keywords: hand held scanner and a cube Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 02:44:08 GMT G'day, I was wondering if anyone is using a hand-held scanner, either color or grayscale on their Next Hardware. If so, with what software? Thanks for any pointers, Chris Conley p.s. I just set myself up with a SupraFax v32bis modem for 249.00 from ClubMac and NXFax from B&W Software, 135.00. Now I have transparent fax/voice on a single line. Great modem, great software. No affiliation, just a satisfied customer.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu (Mohan Sodhi) Subject: Info needed: experience with Gateway systen Message-ID: <msodhi.740185383@uclagsm> Summary: Need info /experiences with Gateway m/cs and NS/I Keywords: Gateway, experience, NextStep/Intel 486 Date: 15 Jun 93 16:09:05 PDT I would like to hear from those with new/old Gateway machines that have been able to successfully run NeXTStep/Intel. Please email me...I will post a summary if there are more than two replies. (My own m/c--I have not tried to install NS/I yet-- is a two years old, 486/33, 16M RAM, C:120Meg, D:340Meg, (both IDE), ISA bus, (no SCSI), Microsoft mouse (2-button), SVGA monitor with 1 meg RAM. Experiences with such a machine are particularly welcome.) -Mohan Sodhi msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Problems with NS/FIP installation -> keyboard lock-up (Gateway 2000 warning!!!!) Message-ID: <1993Jun16.032616.18928@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1vkrhs$ht@menudo.uh.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 03:26:16 GMT In article <1vkrhs$ht@menudo.uh.edu> sears@uh.edu writes: >We are having repeatable problems trying to install NS/fip on a Gateway 2000 >4DX2-66V system. This system has the following configuration: > [...] > >The problem is similar to the ones that others are experiencing: > >When the installation gets to the point where it asks for a language (i.e.) > > Type 1 to use the English language and USA keyboard while ... > Tapez 2 pour installer NEXSTEP avec un clavier et des ... > Eingabe 3 fur NEXSTEP-Installation mit deutscher ... > >At this point the keyboard is completely dead. It will not respond. The >only recourse is to reboot. This should become an FAQ. I believe the docs says that on some systems, you ****must**** press a key at the boot> prompt. Unfortunately, the boot> can fly by during the installation, not allowing a key press before starting the installation. The best workaround I've found is to press ?????? just before the boot> prompt is expected. This will halt the process and allow you to hit return from the keyboard to start the installation. This will result in a live keyboard later on. Also, if you don't get a mouse pointer later on, then try moving the mouse to COM1. I've had these problems with an Intel Professional/GX, so I don't think they're Gateway or BIOS specific. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: Intel P/GX and NS/FIP Experience Message-ID: <1993Jun16.033547.19172@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 03:35:47 GMT In article <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> janthony@nextsrv1.andi.org (Jay Anthony) writes: >>I still highly recommend the machine. Hopefully, the drivers for the >>on-board SCSI-II and excellent audio will address the machine's >>current disadvantages. As far as 1024x768, I have not found this to >>be an agravation. In fact, I am beginning to prefer the smaller >>screen since I do not have to move the mouse as much. You might >>think twice before you sink major bucks into less than 100 >>additional pixels. In fact, if you have a NeXT, set the screen >>resolution to 1024x768 via NetInfo and play with it to get the feel. > >I had no idea you could do this! I tried playing with NetInfo for a >while, but couldn't find a way... could you explain how this is done? >I would love to try it for just the reason you say. Look in the 3.0 Release Notes. It's there. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: scwg0600@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C. Weintz) Subject: SCARY new PC multimedia board Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 06:05:56 GMT Summary: product info and comments on a new powerful graphics board Message-ID: <C8pA9w.890@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: multimedia,virtual reality,3D Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana A local outfit, Future Vision Technologies, has a new graphics board with some major specs. (Bear with me, I'm a technical novice. I will say Dumb Things and I will take my lumps.) It's called the "Sapphire" Inteactive Multimedia Engine and is designed for "broadcast video graphics, business multimedia presentations, computer-aided design, scientific visualization, or immersive synthetic environments [VR]". I'm passing this info and spec sheet on in the public interest and with FVT's permission, but I don't work for them and I don't own one (price quote: $5000!). The demo I saw today at their office compared favorably, to my untrained eye, with the SGI Indigos and Personal Irises I've seen over at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications here at the U. of Illinois. Up to 4 boards can be put into one PC, allowing multiuser and stereo-video output. Why am I posting this? I want to migrate to NeXTSTEP for 3D graphics and multimedia. FVT's chief, Matt Klapman, would need to be persuaded of the value of a Renderman engine and a NeXTSTEP driver for this beast. Right now, they're geared towards, Windows, Autodesk's 3D Studio and CDK virtual reality software, and VREAM VR hobbyist's interface. I want to see realtime interactive Photorealistic Renderman on Intuitiv'3D or SolidThinking, or ZZ Volume, and awesome NeXTSTEP performance. Is this possible? In any event, I hope NeXT folks find this interesting (and I'm sorry for the length): "SAPPHIRE" SPECS (from FVT spec sheet) General Description single slot ISA board for IBM-compatible PC's fully programmable for 3D graphics and stereo audio applications Video Specifications RGB output to VGA-tyle monitors NTSC and S-VHS color composite output Support for custom refresh rates (72 Hz, 120 Hz, etc.) LCD stereo shutter glasses support Resolution: up to 640 x 480 triple buffered up to 768 x 576 double buffered up to 1024 x 768 single buffered 48 bits per pixel [!!! - transparent solids!] 16.7 million simultaneous true colors Z-buffered pixels to provide hidden surfaces A-buffered pixels to provide transparency and anti-aliasing Graphics Processor [no manufacturer given] Gouraud shading processing with A-buffering Polygon drawing proccessing with Z-buffer proccessing Line drawing processing Texture mapping processing 1 to n-bit pixel expansion; n to 1-bit compression hardware zoom and clipping 32 million pixels/sec Gouraud shading 16 million pixels/sec bitblt 100 million pixels/sec fill less than 100 microsec screen/buffer clear Floating-Point Processor 32-bit DSP 40 MFLOPS, 20 MIPS sustained 64KB to 1MB zero wait-state SRAM 4M, 8M, 16M, or 32MB of one wait-state DRAM fully integrated DMA channel Audio stereo line inputs and line outputs stereo microphone inputs stereo headphone output w/ digitally controlled volume up to 44.1K, 48K samples/sec at 16 bitsnnel (CD and DAT quality) Performance above 80.000 Gouraud shaded 10 x10 polygons/sec 311,000 flat shaded 10x10 polygons/sec 933,606 3D vectors/sustained (4 x 4 matrix by 4x1 vector 32 bit floating point multiply) Future Vision Technologies Inc. 701 Devonshire Drive Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 355-3030 (217) 355-3031 fax (I don't know their e-mail address) -- Steve Weintz Main Address: indy@uiuc.edu anthropology,archaeology NeXTMail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "So,God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs, God creates man, man destroys God, man creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs destroy man." -- Ian Malcolm "Then woman rules the Earth." -- Ellie Sattler -- Steve Weintz Main Address: indy@uiuc.edu anthropology,archaeology NeXTMail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel P/GX and NS/FIP Experience Message-ID: <1993Jun16.043715.185@imani.cam.org> Date: 16 Jun 93 04:37:15 GMT References: <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> janthony@nextsrv1.andi.org (Jay Anthony) writes: > [munch, munch badly formatted stuff about 1024x768 on black hardware via NetInfo] Hi I was able to find it (/localconfig/screens/Megapixel/bounds), or so I thought, but it doesn't do anything - even after rebooting. I, too, would be _very_ interested to play with this. I never miss a possible way of crashing my machine! 8^)> Ciao > > Thanks! > > --Jay-- > > --- > Jason W. Anthony NeXTmail: DigitalExpressions@andi.org > Digital Expressions Inc. Voice/Fax: +1 518 346-0568 -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL!!! FRENCHIE ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Si la classe ouvriere ne nous satisfait plus, nous la destituerons< > et en elirons une autre" B. Brecht (ne parlant pas d'informatique)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: XM3401B own SCSI controller? Message-ID: <1993Jun16.090450.22946@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 09:04:50 GMT Can I connect the Toshiba XM3401B CD player to the DPT 2012/90 SCSI controller or do I have to use (as the sales rep told me) the SCSI controller which comes with the CD player? Bart -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: scwg0600@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C. Weintz) Subject: scary new multimedia board (long) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 15:25:25 GMT Summary: powerful new graphics board does realtime 3D animation Message-ID: <C8q06E.IBA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Keywords: multimedia, 3D, virtual reality Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana A local outfit, Future Vision Technologies, has a new graphics board with some major specs. (Bear with me, I'm a technical novice. I will say Dumb Things and I will take my lumps.) It's called the "Sapphire" Inteactive Multimedia Engine and is designed for "broadcast video graphics, business multimedia presentations, computer-aided design, scientific visualization, or immersive synthetic environments [VR]". I'm passing this info and spec sheet on in the public interest and with FVT's permission, but I don't work for them and I don't own one (price quote: $5000!). The demo I saw today at their office compared favorably, to my untrained eye, with the SGI Indigos and Personal Irises I've seen over at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications here at the U. of Illinois. Up to 4 boards can be put into one PC, allowing multiuser and stereo-video output. Why am I posting this? I want to migrate to NeXTSTEP for 3D graphics and multimedia. FVT's chief, Matt Klapman, would need to be persuaded of the value of a Renderman engine and a NeXTSTEP driver for this beast. Right now, they're geared towards, Windows, Autodesk's 3D Studio and CDK virtual reality software, and VREAM VR hobbyist's interface. I want to see realtime interactive Photorealistic Renderman on Intuitiv'3D or SolidThinking, or ZZ Volume, and awesome NeXTSTEP performance. Is this possible? In any event, I hope NeXT folks find this interesting (and I'm sorry for the length): "SAPPHIRE" SPECS (from FVT spec sheet) General Description single slot ISA board for IBM-compatible PC's fully programmable for 3D graphics and stereo audio applications Video Specifications RGB output to VGA-tyle monitors NTSC and S-VHS color composite output Support for custom refresh rates (72 Hz, 120 Hz, etc.) LCD stereo shutter glasses support Resolution: up to 640 x 480 triple buffered up to 768 x 576 double buffered up to 1024 x 768 single buffered 48 bits per pixel [!!! - transparent solids!] 16.7 million simultaneous true colors Z-buffered pixels to provide hidden surfaces A-buffered pixels to provide transparency and anti-aliasing Graphics Processor [no manufacturer given] Gouraud shading processing with A-buffering Polygon drawing proccessing with Z-buffer proccessing Line drawing processing Texture mapping processing 1 to n-bit pixel expansion; n to 1-bit compression hardware zoom and clipping 32 million pixels/sec Gouraud shading 16 million pixels/sec bitblt 100 million pixels/sec fill less than 100 microsec screen/buffer clear Floating-Point Processor 32-bit DSP 40 MFLOPS, 20 MIPS sustained 64KB to 1MB zero wait-state SRAM 4M, 8M, 16M, or 32MB of one wait-state DRAM fully integrated DMA channel Audio stereo line inputs and line outputs stereo microphone inputs stereo headphone output w/ digitally controlled volume up to 44.1K, 48K samples/sec at 16 bitsnnel (CD and DAT quality) Performance above 80.000 Gouraud shaded 10 x10 polygons/sec 311,000 flat shaded 10x10 polygons/sec 933,606 3D vectors/sustained (4 x 4 matrix by 4x1 vector 32 bit floating point multiply) Future Vision Technologies Inc. 701 Devonshire Drive Champai gn, IL 61820 (217) 355-3030 (217) 355-3031 fax (I don't know their e-mail address) -- Steve Weintz Main Address: indy@uiuc.edu anthropology,archaeology NeXTMail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "So,God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs, God creates man, man destroys God, man creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs destroy man." -- Ian Malcolm "Then woman rules the Earth." -- Ellie Sattler -- Steve Weintz Main Address: indy@uiuc.edu anthropology, archaeology NeXTail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "We must go faster." -- Dr. Ian Malcolm -- Steve Weintz Main Address: indy@uiuc.edu anthropology, archaeology NeXTail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "We must go faster." -- Dr. Ian Malcolm
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: $849 1.2 gig drives Message-ID: <C8p93H.t4@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <dl$@byu.edu> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 05:40:29 GMT In article <dl$@byu.edu> writes: #In article <C8n52p.H4r@infoserv.com>, kent@infoserv.com writes: #|> I posted that I could get Maxtor P0-12S (full height) refurbished drives for #|> $849. #|> #|> The place is called Disk Drive Depot #|> They are located at 500-H lawrence Expressway #|> Sunnyvale, Ca. 94086 #|> (408)738-3895 #|> #|> They are a portion of a company called Corporate Systems Center also in #|> Sunnyvale, Ca. #|> #|> I think they do mail order. #|> #|> The only relationship I have with them is that I have one of their #|> refubished P0-12S drives in my NeXTcube and a LXT213S in a NScolor. #|> They have good service. #|> #|> Please no more mail asking the name and location!!!!!! #|> #|> Kent #|> -- #|> /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ #|> /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */ # # #The only thing I would want to know is what kind of warranty do these drives have? 1 year warranty, 5 year available for about $100. They honor their warranties, no questions asked. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Message-ID: <C8pyFr.2xt@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1vlmro$1vi@cnn.sim.es.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 14:47:51 GMT In article <1vlmro$1vi@cnn.sim.es.com> npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) writes: #It works fine if you get the cabling right. # #The first time I saw this done was by an ex-NeXT engineer who had an old #PLI drive that the SCSI controller had gone bad on. He just yanked the bare #drive out of the PLI case, and plugged it directly into the '040 motherboard. #Worked great-- AFTER he unplugged it from the motherboard, turned the cable #around, then plugged it back in (seems he plugged it in backwards the first time). # #I've done it myself, too, and mine worked on the first shot. But, I had #a keyed cable that wouldn't let me plug it in backwards :-). # #Nevin What manufacturer and model? Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca (Blake Stone) Subject: Tricking your machine into using lower resolution Message-ID: <Jun16.153608.94948@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 15:36:08 GMT References: <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> <1993Jun16.033547.19172@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta > Look in the 3.0 Release Notes. It's there. Hmmm... I must admit I never did read that particular paragraph. For those who haven't been able to find it: "To assure that an application runs properly on small screen, without actually having a small screen, you can trick the machine into believing it has one. To do this you need to edit the screen configuration stored in NetInfo. First run NetInfoManager (in /NextAdmin); you should get a window for your local host. Open the directory /localconfig/screens/MegaPixel and change the value of the active property to "1" and the width and height in the bounds property to anything you wish. Leave the origin at 0, 0. ("0 832 0 624" is one possibility; it describes a 832 x 624 screen). Then save the directory, logout, and restart the window server by specifying "exit" as the user name at the loginwindow. The system should come back up and use a smaller portion of the display as the screen." -- Blake W. Stone | DKW Systems Corporation Chief Technical Officer | A N[EXTSTEP,eXT[STEP,step,Step]] VAR bstone@acs.ucalgary.ca | | ... couldn't have been ME
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: How to Change Screen Res (was: Re: Intel P/GX and NS/FIP Exp) Message-ID: <1993Jun16.153401.27932@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> <1993Jun16.033547.19172@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 15:34:01 GMT In article <1993Jun16.033547.19172@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) wrote: >In article <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> janthony@nextsrv1.andi.org >(Jay Anthony) writes: > >>> I still highly recommend the machine. Hopefully, the drivers for the >>> on-board SCSI-II and excellent audio will address the machine's >>> current disadvantages. As far as 1024x768, I have not found this to >>> be an agravation. In fact, I am beginning to prefer the smaller >>> screen since I do not have to move the mouse as much. You might >>> think twice before you sink major bucks into less than 100 >>> additional pixels. In fact, if you have a NeXT, set the screen >>> resolution to 1024x768 via NetInfo and play with it to get the feel. >> >> I had no idea you could do this! I tried playing with NetInfo for a >> while, but couldn't find a way... could you explain how this is done? >> I would love to try it for just the reason you say. > > Look in the 3.0 Release Notes. It's there. Sorry. I wasn't trying to be obtuse last night, I read from home on a dumb terminal and didn't have access to Librarian. (Please, Frame, port FrameMaker so I can bring my slab home.) The details, quoting from /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/ReleaseNotes/AppKit.rtf are: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To assure that an application runs properly on small screen, without actually having a small screen, you can trick the machine into believing it has one. To do this you need to edit the screen configuration stored in NetInfo. First run NetInfoManager (in /NextAdmin); you should get a window for your local host. Open the directory /localconfig/screens/MegaPixel and change the value of the active property to "1" and the width and height in the bounds property to anything you wish. Leave the origin at 0, 0. ("0 832 0 624" is one possibility; it describes a 832 x 624 screen). Then save the directory, logout, and restart the window server by specifying "exit" as the user name at the loginwindow. The system should come back up and use a smaller portion of the display as the screen. To restore your original screen, change active to "0" and the bounds to "0 1120 0 832" (or whatever it was initially). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- That's all there is to it. -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: scwg0600@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C. Weintz) Subject: oops - .sig problems (re: scary new board) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 16:09:42 GMT Message-ID: <C8q286.K5q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Apologies to all for the .sig mess at the bottom of my last post. Like I said, I'm new at this. (And on the NeXT I play with on campus I don't HAVE these problems!) -- Steve Weintz Main Address: indy@uiuc.edu anthropology, archaeology NeXTail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "We must go faster." -- Dr. Ian Malcolm -- Steve Weintz Main Address: indy@uiuc.edu anthropology, archaeology NeXTail: scwg0600@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign "We must go faster." -- Dr. Ian Malcolm
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What 128MB Mo's work w/ black h/w ? Date: 16 Jun 1993 16:20:45 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vnh8t$783@usenet.rpi.edu> References: <1vlar8$ssi@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> It seems to me that most 128-meg MO drives work fine on black hardware. The one known exception are drives based on the new Fujitsu mechanism. As luck would have it, that's the one I happened to buy... Nice drive, but it doesn't work on my NeXTstations running NS3.0. Perhaps NS3.1 will fix that. Liberty Systems sells some MO drives which will work with the NeXT (phone number: 408-983-1127). Drives with the Pinnacle Micro mechanism also seem to work fine, and Radiant Technologies sells a version of that for the NeXT (complete with optimal /etc/disktab entry, so I'm told...). Their number is 303-762-6059. Hmm. Might want to ask for "Steve" when calling Radiant, and I think they have other 128-meg MO drives besides the Pinnacle (my notes are a bit fuzzy on that part). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu ITS Systems Programmer (handles NeXT-type mail) Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy NY USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: inmcoop@bnr.ca (Dennis Pejcha) Subject: Re: Any sources for (non-ADB) monochrome monitors? References: <ANDERSON.93Jun3102221@sapir.cog.jhu.edu> <1vks7t$jt4@tamsun.tamu.edu> <1993Jun15.182750.16546@zoonews.bnr.ca> <1vlfv8$37n@tamsun.tamu.edu> Sender: inmcoop@bcarh4ce (Wayne Shelley) Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 14:36:28 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun16.143628.29765@zoonews.bnr.ca> Distribution: usa In article <1vlfv8$37n@tamsun.tamu.edu>, h0l847a@tamsun.tamu.edu (Hoseong La) writes: |> In article <1993Jun15.182750.16546@zoonews.bnr.ca> inmcoop@bnr.ca (Dennis Pejcha) writes: |> >Up until I saw this original post, I didn't think that there were *ANY* |> [deleted] |> |> How can I tell which one is nonADB? Of course, it seems to me that the part |> name N4000A tells it is nonADB. But by just looking at a keyboard, is there |> any way I can tell if it is nonADB or ADB? Is UNIX keyboard always nonADB? |> By looking at the package, is there any way to tell? |> Just to clarify: ADB - Apple Desktop Bus ======================= A low-speed serial interface designed primarily for chaining together input deviced like keyboards, mice, trackballs, etc. It refers to the electrical connection between the keyboard and the computer. The fact that it is a UNIX keyboard has no bearing on whether or not it is an ADB keyboard. The keyboard and mouse are very easy to distinguish as being either ADB or non-ADB: NON-ADB ======= - the keyboard is rather large and heavy - it has two removable feet to angle it up (no adjustable legs) - the cable going to the monitor exits from the top centre of the keyboard, right next to the plug for the mouse - the keys for volume, brightness and power are the same full-sized keys used on the rest of the keyboard - the mouse is very boxy and square ADB === - the keyboard is much lighter, smaller, and thinner (like newer mac kbds) - it has an adjustable leg on the back to angle it up (look for the two green buttons on the side for adjusting) - the cable going to the monitor is removable and plugs into the side of the keyboard; the mouse plugs into the other side - the keys for volume, brightness and power are small round buttons recessed into the case (to reduce the chance of accidentally pressing them) - the mouse is round, with triangular buttons projecting forward... much more comfortable I'm not 100% certain about how to tell the monitors apart (since I haven't actually *seen* one of the N4000B ADB monitors) but the installation guide showed the N4000B as having a different tilt-swivel stand than the N4000A that I have. The N4000A (non-ADB) has the curved metal stand with the rubber wheels... from the side it looks roughly like this: ______ N4000A _____/| | ====== | || | | || | | || | |____|| | \|____| __--~~ (_________o The N4000B that was pictured in the installation guide had a tilt-swivel stand that looked more like this: ______ N4000B _____/| | <- if you have one of these, please correct ====== | || | me if I'm wrong. | || | | || | |____|| | \|____| .'~/ .' /~~-_ ~~~~~~~~~~ It was a little hard to tell the exact shape, but it was clearly one large piece, rounded and quite wide. The other way to tell, of course, is to check the plug... the connector for the non-ADB keyboard is very different from the connector for the ADB keyboard. If you know someone with a Mac, you can check their keyboard to see what the connector looks like (number of pins). -D ----------------------------------+---------------------------------- My undergraduate identity: | My current co-op identity ----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Dennis Pejcha | Dennis Pejcha University of Waterloo | Bell Northern Research, Ottawa Faculty of Mathematics | Carling Labs, Lab 3 Comp. Sci. Major | Integrated Node Mtce, Co-op dpejcha@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca | inmcoop@bnr.ca ('til Aug/93) ----------------------------------+----------------------------------
From: lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu (Pascal Chesnais) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Intel FlashCard update Message-ID: <1993Jun16.164752.12701@news.media.mit.edu> Date: 16 Jun 93 16:47:52 GMT Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Distribution: na Organization: MIT Media Laboratory you can coerce it to work by installing the board on another machine and disabling the flashboot stuff... If you are an Intel Pro-GX only site you are in trouble. pasc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: How to utilize HP4M laser printer with NEXTSTEP Message-ID: <1993Jun16.181427.23812@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 18:14:27 GMT We're considering the purchase of the top-of-the-line HP4M-whatever laser printer (10 MB RAM, ethernet interface, MIRVs, self-aware, etc) for use as a workgroup printer for several NeXT machines. The attraction of this printer is not only the 600 DPI printing but the 17 PPM engine. We will shortly (ha ha) receive some HP 735 systems as well. They will be running HPUX....for now (snicker). Here's the potential problem: the ethernet interface apparently does not support the "correct" BSD lpr network addressing, and uses some hack in which it appears to be a tty or something like that. There is some software which runs on HPUX systems that handles the addressing properly. Questions: 1. Will this software compile and run on NEXTSTEP (BSD vs. SysV Unix)? 2. If not, does HPUX support BSD lpr so I could route lpr jobs from the NeXTs to the printer via the HPUX system? 3. (Fall-back option) Has anyone used TTYDSP hardware on a NeXT to drive serial printers at insanely fast speeds? 115Kb/s might keep that printer cranking, if it can handle such speeds. Thanks. -- Nathan Janette Systems Manager, Axel T. Brunger Lab Internet: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Voice: 203 432 5065 Fax: 203 432 3923
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nikos@cs.cornell.edu (Nikos P. Pitsianis) Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Message-ID: <1993Jun16.191822.26189@cs.cornell.edu> Sender: news@cs.cornell.edu (USENET news user) Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY References: <MAX.93Jun15163613@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> <1vlmro$1vi@cnn.sim.es.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 19:18:22 GMT In article <1vlmro$1vi@cnn.sim.es.com>, npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) writes: |> In article 93Jun15163613@Kolmogorov.gac.edu, max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) writes: |> > Does anyone have experience or recommendations as to options for |> > adding a floppy drive to an '040 cube that doesn't have one? PLI |> > sells an external SCSI floppy drive for $449 (NeXTconnection price). |> > I've also heard a speculation that one could just by a Teac 2.88Mb |> > floppy drive out of computer shopper ($83) and plug it into the mother |> > board with some ribbon cable, mounting it using some mechanical |> > ingenuity. |> > |> > Can someone confirm or deny the latter wild speculation, comment on |> > the PLI drive, or point out any other options to me? |> > |> > Many thanks. |> |> It works fine if you get the cabling right. |> |> The first time I saw this done was by an ex-NeXT engineer who had an old |> PLI drive that the SCSI controller had gone bad on. He just yanked the bare |> drive out of the PLI case, and plugged it directly into the '040 motherboard. |> Worked great-- AFTER he unplugged it from the motherboard, turned the cable |> around, then plugged it back in (seems he plugged it in backwards the first time). |> |> I've done it myself, too, and mine worked on the first shot. But, I had |> a keyed cable that wouldn't let me plug it in backwards :-). |> |> Nevin |> How can this be done? What kind of floppy drive / ribbon cable? Where on the mother board do you connect it? Do you need special software? If what you are saying works without major drawbacks (in performance for example, or not being able to boot) then we have a major case of --- as we say in greek --- someone (PLI in our case) "selling sea weed as silk ribbons". Please post all info you have on the subject. Thanks -- Nikos _____________________________________________________________________ Nikos P Pitsianis Internet : nikos@cs.cornell.edu Cornell University Phone : (607) 255 3042 4130 Upson Hall, Dept of Comp Sc FAX : (607) 255 4428 Ithaca, NY 14853 Home : (607) 277 7630
From: mark@plexus.guild.org (Mark Onyschuk) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/I + TRISTAR EISA VLBUS station Message-ID: <1993Jun15.233320.1293@plexus.guild.org> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1993 23:33:20 GMT Sender: mark@plexus.guild.org Organization: Onyschuk and Associates, Toronto Folks: Has anyone had experience with a configuration like the following: Tri-Star EISA VL-STATION 66MHz. ATI Ultra Pro (Mach 32) DPT SCSI controller Pro Audio Spectrum 16 SMC ENet Card 512 Mb HD 24 Mb RAM (In case you're interested - price is $4480 w/o monitor) Does it work? Thanks! Mark -- M. Onyschuk and Associates Inc. Toronto | mark@plexus.guild.org (NeXTMAIL) NeXTSTEP Software Development | 73700.3114@compuserve.com (YaWNMAIL) ----------------------------------------+------------------------------------- /Courier findfont 12 scalefont setfont 72 72 moveto (Practice PostScript) show
From: tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: XM3401B own SCSI controller? Message-ID: <C8qJ2K.KGx@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Date: 16 Jun 93 22:13:31 GMT References: <1993Jun16.090450.22946@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada In <1993Jun16.090450.22946@cs.utwente.nl> botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) writes: >Can I connect the Toshiba XM3401B CD player to the >DPT 2012/90 SCSI controller or do I have to use >(as the sales rep told me) the SCSI controller >which comes with the CD player? >Bart Hold on a minite there Bart dude! You will not be able to use the SCSI controller that comes with the CD Player. It isn't a supported configuration. Stick with the DPT. -Mark -- Mark G. Tacchi tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca "Medicine will cure death and government will repeal taxes before Steve will fail." -G.Kawasaki
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bkr@drdhh.hanse.de (Bjoern Kriews) Subject: Re: ns3.2 / RS232 drivers Message-ID: <1993Jun16.105312.6905@drdhh.hanse.de> Organization: Digital Island References: <1vcc91$d6o@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 10:53:12 GMT kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) writes: >We all know (have heard): > > it will support more pc drivers How many people are in need of drivers for multi-rs232 cards ? Please reply to me, I'll compile a list and address next. I address anybody needing more than two RS232's not wanting to buy a terminalserver. -- bkr@drdhh.hanse.de - Bjoern Kriews - Stormsweg 6 - D-2000 Hamburg 76 - FRG In the global village, everywhere has got to be a local call. (P. Chapman)
From: npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Date: 16 Jun 1993 22:42:52 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vo7lc$ha4@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <1993Jun16.191822.26189@cs.cornell.edu> In article 26189@cs.cornell.edu, nikos@cs.cornell.edu (Nikos P. Pitsianis) writes: > In article <1vlmro$1vi@cnn.sim.es.com>, npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) writes: > |> In article 93Jun15163613@Kolmogorov.gac.edu, max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) writes: > |> > Does anyone have experience or recommendations as to options for > |> > adding a floppy drive to an '040 cube that doesn't have one? PLI > |> > sells an external SCSI floppy drive for $449 (NeXTconnection price). > |> > I've also heard a speculation that one could just by a Teac 2.88Mb > |> > floppy drive out of computer shopper ($83) and plug it into the mother > |> > board with some ribbon cable, mounting it using some mechanical > |> > ingenuity. > |> It works fine if you get the cabling right. > |> > How can this be done? What kind of floppy drive / ribbon cable? > Where on the mother board do you connect it? Do you need special > software? > > If what you are saying works without major drawbacks (in performance for > example, or not being able to boot) then we have a major case of > --- as we say in greek --- > someone (PLI in our case) "selling sea weed as silk ribbons". > Nobody is selling sea weed as silk ribbons. If you want to hook a floppy drive up to the SCSI port of ANY NeXT machine, then obviously you need a suitable SCSI interface board on the floppy drive. This is what PLI sells. And, on the old 68030 based cubes, that was the ONLY way you could add a floppy drive to the system. All newer 68040 based NeXT machines have a floppy port integrated on the motherboard. Consequently, you can add a floppy drive to these machines without being forced to put the drive on the SCSI bus (ala: PLI's method). However, even with these newer machines, if you want a PORTABLE floppy drive that you can move from machine to machine, you need to get a drive (like PLI's) that plugs into the SCSI port. But, if you want a single, internal floppy drive on any 68040 NeXT, you can plug the bare drive (the 2.88 MB variety) directly into the built-in floppy port on the motherboard. That's how the NeXTStation's do it! If you buy a PLI drive, you are buying: a case, a SCSI interface board, a power supply (to run the drive as well as the SCSI board), and miscellaneous stuff like the SCSI id selector switch, connectors, a ribbon cable that connects the drive to the SCSI board, etc. If you plug the drive into your motherboard instead, all you need is the drive (it'll take power off the motherboard via the ribbon cable), and a standard ribbon cable with two standard connectors. Nevin
From: Tim Pugh <tpugh@oce.orst.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: What 128MB Mo's work w/ black h/w ? (device drivers) Date: 16 Jun 1993 23:20:22 GMT Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University Message-ID: <1vo9rm$dhp@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> References: <1vnh8t$783@usenet.rpi.edu> Does NeXT have a device driver for 128MB MO SCSI drives which will allow the disk to be inserted and ejected like a floppy, but leave the file access permissions intact? The floppy device driver ignores file access permissions. The SCSI hard drive device driver does not allow a disk to be inserted or ejected. I would like to be able to insert a disk and not have the file access permissions ignored for my 128MB MO drive! (Is this how the Cube's optical drive worked?) - Tim - -- Tim Pugh College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences Oregon State University tpugh@oce.orst.edu NeXTmail ok!
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.bugs Subject: [long]New Installation solutions for Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V with X30 Chip Set (recent models) Date: 16 Jun 1993 23:06:44 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1vo924$hnk@menudo.uh.edu> Previously I had made a posting about the problems we were having with installing NEXTSTEP/fip on some Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V machines. Specifically, we were having problems with the keyboards not responding (all types of keyboards). More specifically, this relates to Gateways with the revised Micronics System Boards u).sing the X30 Chip Set (Phoenix "80486 Rom BIOS Plus ver 0.10 GJX30-01d". Below are my notes for finally getting everything to work. These notes will be forwarded to NeXT, Inc. and Gateway 2000 as it seems to have something to do with a possible timing problem with the PS2Keyboard driver. NeXT and Gateway 2000 Tech Support have been outstanding and even though they couldn't solve the problem, they tried everything they could (NeXT even got a hold of one of the newer Gateway 2000 machines to try to solve the problem). Anyway, these notes explain installation problems and solutions that _should_ work, but there is no promise. Please read them carefully. I am sorry if they ramble on at times... :-) ************************************************************************* Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V Installation Notes (Please read carefully!) [Revised notes are at the bottom of the text. I have included all my notes so that others may possibly benefit from them or figure some more information out...] For Installation: Short Answer: Do not boot the system with the keyboard plugged in!!! If you are installing, then plug the keyboard in _only_ when it asks you questions like what language, what partition, etc. After the initial "mini" install, you can complete the entire installation with just the mouse plugged into COMA (COM1). Once you have NEXTSTEP installed and working, and then you do the final reboot into NEXSTEP, you can plug in the keyboard (In other words, don't plug in the keyboard until you are logged into the "me" account. Long Answer: Problem: NeXTSTEP/fip will not install with the keyboard plugged in while the machine is booting. This seems to be because of the conflict with the BIOS. Problem occurs during the following part of the boot process (using the Gateway.config): ISA bus Registering: PCKeyboard0 <- PS2Keyboard Registering: PCPointer0 <- PS2Mouse It was suggested that there was a possible IRQ/Device conflict between the keyboard and the Microsoft Serial mouse. The mouse and keyboard were moved to different interrupt vectors (IRQ 3 and IRQ5 respectively) but the problem still persisted. The following things were attempted to remedy the problem: Changed BIOS settings: The final decided BIOS settings were: Diskette A: 3.5", 1.44 MB Diskette B: Not Installed Cyl Hd Pre LZ Sec Size Hard Disk 1: Auto Config 1010 12 0 0 55 325 Hard Disk 2: Not Installed Base Memory: 640 KB HD1 Block Mode: Enable Extended Memory: 15360 KB HD2 Block Mode: Disable Video Card: VGA/EGA IDE Speed: Fast Keyboard: Not Installed System BIOS Shadow: Disable Internal Cache: Enable Video BIOS Shadow: Disable External Cache: Enable E8000h 32K Shadow : Disable F0000h-FFFFFh : Non Cacheable E0000h 32K Shadow : Disable C0000h-C7000h : Non Cacheable D8000h 32K Shadow : Disable On board COMA : COM1 D0000h 32K Shadow : Disable COMA_IRQ : IRQ-4 C8000h 32K Shadow : Disable On board COMB : Disabled Turbo : Enable COMB_IRQ : Disabled Bus Clock : 1/4 Clock On board LPT : Disabled Processor Type: 80486 Coprocessor Type: 487 or compatible Option ROMs Found: Reserved Memory: 3072k Segment Size BIOS Version #: 0.10 C000 32 k Video Mode: 03h DC00 16 k Serial Ports: 03F8h 02F8h Printer Ports: 03BCh The system could be used only if the following was done: 1) Disconnect the keyboard and boot the system 2) Connect the keyboard when prompted for question or need to log in This problem does not effect the DOS partition in any way. DOS can be used normally. More specifically, the keyboard works under NEXTSTEP for the initial boot process (i.e, it can be used to select partition to boot and for NEXTSTEP boot parameters). After it registers the PCKeyboard0 and PS2Mouse devices, the keyboard hangs, even if the keyboard is immediately disconnected after a response is entered in the boot manager. The only way to that NEXTSTEP will boot up and the keyboard will work under NEXTSTEP is to make sure the keyboard is disconnected during the entire boot phase. Probable cause for problem: NeXT had certified the Gateway 2000 systems to be "NEXTSTEP Compatible." The system that was certified was using a Phoenix BIOS with the MCM2 Chip Set and an older version of the Micronics system board. The Gateways that we received have a new version of the Micronics system board with a Phoenix "80486 Rom BIOS Plus ver 0.10 GJX30-01d". In otherwords, it was shipped with the X30 Chip Set instead of the MCM2 Chip Set. From what we can tell, there seems to be a slight, but serious, difference between the two chip sets and the way they handle the keyboard. It seems that during the NEXTSTEP boot process, there is a polling or resetting of the keyboard which is indicated by the "NUM LOCK" led being turned off (it is usually turned on when the system does its self diagnostics). It seems that the PS2Keyboard driver, which is the only one that NeXT includes with NEXSTEP 3.1 has a problem with the difference. It is possible that the problem is that the keyboard has been relocated to a new port (not likely since Gateway says it should be at port 0x60h which is the same as NeXT) or that a few initialization commands have been altered... Whatever the case, the keyboard (not just the 124-key "AnyKey" Gateway keyboard, but also an IBM, Zenith, etc) will not function if the system is booted into NEXTSTEP while it is connected to the computer. If it is connected after the boot process, everything functions normally. Solution found!!!! (well, kinda sorta as we are 1 for 2 on this....) Short answer: 1) In the file /usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table remove the PS2Mouse from the "Boot Drivers" line. [Note: it turned out that step #2 was not needed. It was actually the Turbo button... See below...] 2) In the file /usr/Devices/SerialPorts.config/Instance0.table change the IRQs from "4 3" to "4 9" (in two separate places.) The first change removes the poll for the PS2Mouse. Not sure why, but this definitely causes problems with the Gateways, even though it uses IRQ 12 and we are using Microsoft Serial Mice.... The second changes changes the IRQ for COM2. NOTE: An indication that the keyboard will work is if the Num Lock does not turn off during the boot phase. This should happen automatically when NEXTSTEP does the following: Registering: PCKeyboard0 If it doesn't then you most likely have a conflict with a driver... On another note: What is interesting about the whole mess is that we still can't get the keyboard to work on the system with the built in CD-Rom drive. The only difference between the two systems is the CD-Rom card, and even when that card was removed, the system still would not recognize the keyboard Well after more experimenting we stumbled on the real truth (I guess we were mostly correct..) The real answer: In addition to removing the PS2Mouse driver from the "Boot Drivers" line in System.config/Instance0.table, you need to make sure the turbo button is disabled during the boot/install process!!!!!!!!!! Honest!!!! This was the reason why we couldn't get the other machines to work. They had "Turbo" enabled via BIOS (which is ok!!) but it was also enabled via the front panel button. Disable Turbo during boot with this button, then enable it after NEXSTEP boots up. The keyboard will work!! [It seems to have something to do with timing for the keyboard. Maybe with the new BIOS, the keyboard doesn't respond fast enough???] ************** So here is the rule of thumb for Installing and running on the Gateway 2000 4DX2-66V with the Micronics System Board with the X30 Chip Set: For Installation -> do not plug in the keyboard until you are asked questions. Then plug it in and begin the installation. When you are told to "Eject the Floppy Disk and Press Return", eject the floppy, press return, then before the boot process begins, disconnect the keyboard. Do not connect it. You can complete the installation with only a mouse. When installation is completed, you will be asked to restart the system. Click on "RESTART" but LEAVE THE KEYBOARD UNPLUGGED! Now that the system is installed and you have restarted, wait until you are logged into the "me" account. Then plug in the keyboard, become root and then remove "PS2Mouse" from the file /usr/Devices/System.config/Instance0.table in the line "Boot Drivers". Now log out and reboot. When you reboot, you can leave the keyboard plugged in, but make sure the turbo light is off (disabled). To verify that your keyboard will work, watch to see if the "NUM LOCK" led stays lit. If so, then something is wrong and you will be without a keyboard... -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
From: leo@speech.sri.com (Leonardo Neumeyer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: HP4L / HP4ML Laser Printers Date: 16 Jun 93 16:18:48 Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA Distribution: comp Message-ID: <LEO.93Jun16161848@atlantis.speech.sri.com> Has anybody tried the new HP laser printers on black hardware? HP4L non-postcript 1Mb $849 (list) HP4ML postcript 4Mb $1279 leo -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leo Neumeyer, SRI International - Room EK188, 333 Ravenswood Ave, Menlo Park, CA 94025, tel: 415-859-4522, fax: 415-859-5984, e-mail: leo@speech.sri.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: DPT SCSI controller: Is cache module required? Date: 16 Jun 1993 23:25:50 GMT Organization: Me Distribution: world Message-ID: <1voa5u$3ol@tamsun.tamu.edu> I'm sure this is a stupid question, but it's not totally clear to me whether the extra cache module for the DPT is required. Will I be able to use it without until I can scrape up the bucks to add the cache module? Diana
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) Subject: Re: CD-ROM drives for NeXT black (and white), recmds needed In-Reply-To: cedman@princeton.edu's message of Tue, 15 Jun 1993 14:07:50 GMT Message-ID: <BHILL.93Jun16140705@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Sender: usenet@physics.ucla.edu Organization: Dept. of Physics, UCLA References: <1993Jun15.005444.287@cx5.com> <CEDMAN.93Jun15100751@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: 16 Jun 93 14:07:05 In article <CEDMAN.93Jun15100751@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > You may want to look for a drive which can read digital audio off > music CDs and tranmit it digitally over the SCSI bus to the host > computer. Only a few drives have this ability, among them is > certainly the Toshiba 3401 but also the NEC [78]4-1 (but not the bare > [78]4) or so I hear. From reading Apple's brochure for the AppleCD 300 (not from personal use), I can add that drive to the list of drives which can transmit music digitally over the SCSI bus. To quote from the brochure, the drive "not only plays standard audio CDs, but can also transfer CD digital audio data via the SCSI bus to your Macintosh [sic] for further editing." I am considering this drive at its new price, announced yesterday: $429 list ($379 locally). There is a long (two pages including the picture of the drive) list of features and specifications for the drive. Below are some _excerpts_ from the features and specifications listed in Apple's brochure: Reliability MTBF 125,000 hrs. at 35 degrees C and 20% duty cycle Capacity Mode 1: 656MB [Mode 1/Mode 2 not to be confused with 1X/2X speed. --Brian] Mode 2: 748MB Characteristics Average Access time: --Normal speed (1X): 360ms --Double speed (2X): 295ms Data streaming rate, normal speed (1X): --Mode 1:150KB/sec --Mode 2:171KB/sec Data streaming rate, double speed (2X): --Mode 1:300KB/sec --Mode 2:342KB/sec Formats supported Multi-session Kodak Photo CD (Quicktime required) ISO 9660 High Sierra Macintosh HFS CD-ROM XA (requires additional ADPCM hardware to read compressed audio) CD+G CD+MIDI Standard audio CDs CD digital audio via SCSI bus The only other comment I have is that I am a little troubled by a post a few days back saying: >>Does anyone know if it is possible to read SGI >>software distribution CD-ROM's from a NeXT CD-ROM >>drive? Alternately does anyone have any experience >>attaching a NeXT CD-ROM drive to the SCSI port >>of an IRIS Indigo and having it function normally? > > This did not work for me. Neither did an Apple CD300. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I bought a third party for SGI for $760. I am very happy with >it as it support sucking music over the SCSI bus to the computer >for hard-disk recording. It is also double-speed. --Brian Hill (bhill@physics.ucla.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: magnus@fisher.Stanford.EDU (Magnus Nordborg) Subject: IBM ValuePoint 466DX2/D $2,255 Message-ID: <1993Jun16.235759.11622@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 23:57:59 GMT The Stanford Bookstore sells IBM ValuePoint 466DX2/D with 4MB RAM, 245 MB hd for $2,255. This seems like a decent price, but I know nothing about PC's, and would therefore appreciate comments from someone with experience of IBM and NS. What else do we need (apart from 32+ MB RAM)? Their 17' color monitors are $965, and I guess we would need to buy Ethernet cards or something like that, right? Meanwhile I will call their rep and ask him the same questions, plus ask him what the price will be if he doesn't include Windows or OS/2...;-) Thanks, -- Magnus Nordborg magnus@fisher.stanford.edu (NeXT mail preferred) Department of Biological Sciences Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-5020 +1 (415) 723-4952 (office)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Need to change my internal HDD to sd1a Message-ID: <1993Jun16.235242.18697@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <CEDMAN.93Jun13161836@capitalist.princeton.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 23:52:42 GMT In article <CEDMAN.93Jun13161836@capitalist.princeton.edu> cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) writes: > In article <1993Jun13.193142.27116@news.csuohio.edu> cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) writes: > Hello. I have a NeXTStation Turbo with an internal 250 MB HDD. I just > got a fujitsu 2.4 gigger and I would like to make the larger Fujitsu the > first HDD (sd0a). How does one do alter the pins on the internal HDD to > do this? I cannot find something about it in the docs, so I hope > somebody here would not mind emailing me the things to do. > > No need to change pins or open your NeXTstation at all. Just set the > SCSI target id of the external drive to 0. SCSI devices are handed > out in order of increasing SCSI target IDs and the internal drive is > always target 1. > > Carl Edman This is good advice, and for this situation, quite appropriate. One more thing, though, when faced with the general problem of trying to change some settings on a drive you've purchased but don't have docs for: All (in my experience: Maxtor, Fujitsu, Seagate, etc) drive vendors have either a bulletin board and/or automated phone-mail/fax setup for getting drive info. Call 1-800-555-1212 in the states, or check your yellow pages for a number for the vendor, or check the literature from the last trade show you went to. Once you have a number to start with and a minimal description of the drive, you can usually get the info you need within 15 minutes. At the Media Lab, we're always swapping equipment around, and we never have the right docs. I'm always amazed at how easy it is to get the info from the manufacturer. -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tlc@cx5.com Subject: Re: CD-ROM Apple CD300 (was recmds needed) Message-ID: <1993Jun17.043520.2254@cx5.com> Sender: tlc@cx5.com Organization: CX5 (San Francisco) References: <BHILL.93Jun16140705@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 04:35:20 GMT In article <BHILL.93Jun16140705@spike.physics.ucla.edu> bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) writes: > Formats supported > > Multi-session Kodak Photo CD (Quicktime required) > ISO 9660 High Sierra > Macintosh HFS > CD-ROM XA (requires additional ADPCM hardware to read compressed audio) > CD+G > CD+MIDI > Standard audio CDs > CD digital audio via SCSI bus I started this thread, sounds like this Apple CD300 is a good unit. The new pricing is attractive. Do you really need Quicktime for the multi-session PhotoCD? I'm thinking you don't, but definitely want this capability so I'm asking. Someone posted that this Apple drive will work with both NeXTs and Intel PCs. Is that correct? Regarding CD digital audio via SCSI bus: Does this mean that one can record to the computer's hard disk a CD audio disk? Very interesing. Thierry Castro tlc@cx5.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: seanw@codex.com.au (Sean Woodhouse) Subject: Problems with NS installation on internal IDE drive. Message-ID: <1993Jun17.060422.5273@codex.oz.au> Keywords: Dell, IDE, NEXTSTEP, 486 Sender: seanw@codex.oz.au Organization: Codex Software Development Pty Ltd Date: Thu, 17 Jun 93 06:04:22 GMT HI, We're having problems installing NS486 on the internal IDE drive of a Dell 466/ME. We have successfully installed NS486 on an external SCSI drive with this machine and everything worked fine. With the IDE however, we don't even get past the drive initialisation stage. Here are a few of the system messages which flash up before the machine reboots. Preparing disk for NEXTSTEP Installation. Writing /usr/standalone/i386/boot1 Ide:ideflushIntMsgs Stray Interrupt :ideWriteMultiple wtfs:I/O error DISK INITIALISATIOIN FAILED Does anyone have any idea?? Any help would be much appreciated. BTW. Cards installed in the system include: - SMC Elite16 - Adaptec AHA-1542B SCSI controller These worked fine when we had the system up and going on the SCSI HD. Thanks Sean -- --------------------------------------------------------- Sean Woodhouse Software Engineer Codex Software Development Pty Ltd, Melbourne AUSTRALIA Phone: +61 3 696 2490 Facimile: +61 3 696 6757
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jawilcox@netcom.com (Jon A. Wilcox) Subject: ISA Bus Video ?s from a Novice... Message-ID: <jawilcoxC8qE6K.Kvz@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 20:27:53 GMT We're exploring the possibility of running NextStep on our 486, but we can't quite determine whether we have compatible hardware or not. Our 486 clone seems to have all the requirements listed in the NextStep compatibility list available from Next, but we're not sure about the Video requirements. From the compatibility guide, it looks as though we need specially designed hardware in order to get 16-bit color, and even 8-bit grayscale cannot be run on our ISA machine (Trident 8900C add-in video card) because NextStep expects built-in video processors on the motherboard. Is this correct? Are there any solutions for us to try out NextStep on our existing hardware? (Clone 486/50 32MB RAM, enough HD space, Trident 8900C add-in video card.) We might be able to run in 2-bit grayscale. How does this compare with 8-bit gray and 16-bit color? What can we expect re: performance? Thanks. - Jon W.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Subject: Re: How to Change Screen Res Message-ID: <C8qEwo.5AF@oceania.com> Sender: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems References: <1993Jun16.153401.27932@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 20:43:34 GMT Michael McCulloch writes [NetInfo method munched] Also, we have an app here called ModeSwitch.app. It will run on "Black" and "White". We normally run it on Black to get the Workspace to the smaller size, so we can see how 1024 x 768 looks with our apps. It also will select all the majore screen sizes and resolutions. It seems "fat" (MAB), but I it doesn't quite work right on Intel. For Intel, you can usually run the Configure.app to mess with screen sizes and resolutions. At any rate, there is no info panel, so I assume it is freely distributable. Not sure where it came from. It may be on the archive sites. If not, I could E-mail a few copies to people, but if demand is high someone with internet access please volunteer to get it up on the archive sites. FYI, John -- John Robison | john@oceania.com | This Space Available NeXTMail Accepted. | Call: 555-SIGS Opinions are my own. |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Subject: Black Hardware Lifetimes (was: What 128MB Mo's work w/ black h/w?) Message-ID: <C8qFG7.5CB@oceania.com> Sender: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems References: <1vlvsu$mlr@spock.dis.cccd.edu> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 20:55:17 GMT Maurice Shihadi writes > While black hardware is being given away, I wonder if anyone has done a > comparison of hardware life cycles. For example, how long will a NeXT > motherboard operate before failing compared to a third party > motherboard with an Intel chipset? > Well, we have several of the original 0.9/1.0 cubes. The HDs work, the ODs do not. They were all upgraded to 040 (non-turbo) cubes with the 2.0 release. We run the machines pretty hard, often over 75 degrees, on 24 hours a day, compiles and development going all the time, etc. Overall we have had very little trouble. The Hard drives seem to be the most unreliable part of the black hardware. (Well, actualy the Optical Drives were pretty flaky too, but we won't bring *that* up. :-) :-) Contrast with our Compaq, that lasted a whopping 3 days before the EEPROM got trashed. (Still waiting for Compaq service to realize it is not a problem with the backplane card...) Our Dell is still humming along. We actually have little PC hardware experience here. I would guess the PCs are becoming "obsolete" before they are breaking down. -- John Robison | john@oceania.com | This Space Available NeXTMail Accepted. | Call: 555-SIGS Opinions are my own. |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: sandman@well.sf.ca.us (W. Sanford May) Subject: Re: Black Hardware Lifetimes (was: What 128MB Mo's work w/ black h/w?) Message-ID: <C8qpr8.5t8@well.sf.ca.us> Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA References: <1vlvsu$mlr@spock.dis.cccd.edu> <C8qFG7.5CB@oceania.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 00:37:56 GMT > The HDs work, the ODs do not. I have a cube that is approximately 3 years old, with an OD in it. What's the potential that this OD will fail? Is this one of those problems where some units fail, others do not and if you've reached a certain point you probably won't ever a problem. (Sort of like good and bad cars rolling off the assembly line.) Or, should I expect the OD drive to fail soon?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bouamama@dingo.imag.fr (Hakim Bouamama) Subject: BIG BIG PROBLEMS WHIT INTERNAL HD Message-ID: <C8rEn1.D40@imag.fr> Followup-To: bouamama@dingo.imag.fr Sender: bouamama@dingo (Hakim Bouamama) Organization: imag.fr Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 09:35:24 GMT We go a serious problem with our internal disk in a Color Next Station. The disk is a 3"1/2 HD : Fujitsu M2623s-512 0202 The problem hapens when we try to do some i/o (read/write , fsck , format). And we got the following messages: Target 0 : MEDIA ERROR : block 3CH retry 1 Target 0 : MEDIA ERROR : block 3CH retry 2 Target 0 : MEDIA ERROR : block 3CH retry 3 ... I use an external disk to boot the system. But the boot allways finish in single user: It try to fsck and fails. It then try to mount / on /dev/sd0a !!! (sd0 is the internal disk !!!. the external boot disk is sd1). The last very strange think is that the external disk (sd1) is mounted with read-only!!!!!. I can't write nor add any thing in it !!! The disk format and fsck of the next don't works both. I have the same madia error. I try some scsi tools but they do nothing for me. So my questions are: If you got a better format command or other low-level tools. If you got any suggestions or ideas for resolving my problem. If you have address of some one who may help me. If you know which HD can'I use to replace the damaged one (For example can'I use a HD "SDX 1200 3I" SEAGATE 3"1/2 SCSI-2). Please please let me know... Thank you a lot -- Hakim BOUAMAMA Laboratoire ARTEMIS-IMAG Phone : (33) 76.63.58.77 Bureau C208 Email : bouamama@dingo.imag.fr BP 53 X 38041 GRENOBLE Cedex - FRANCE ----------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) Subject: Re: How to Change Screen Res (was: Re: Intel P/GX and NS/FIP Exp) Message-ID: <C8q7Hy.CJH@nosloc.com> Sender: derek@nosloc.com (Derek Collison) Organization: Nosloc Software Technologies References: <1993Jun16.153401.27932@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 18:03:34 GMT In article <1993Jun16.153401.27932@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: > In article <1993Jun16.033547.19172@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu > (Michael McCulloch) wrote: > > >In article <9306151944.AA26973@nextsrv1.andi.org> janthony@nextsrv1.andi.org > >(Jay Anthony) writes: > > > >>> I still highly recommend the machine. Hopefully, the drivers for the > >>> on-board SCSI-II and excellent audio will address the machine's > >>> current disadvantages. As far as 1024x768, I have not found this to > >>> be an agravation. In fact, I am beginning to prefer the smaller > >>> screen since I do not have to move the mouse as much. You might > >>> think twice before you sink major bucks into less than 100 > >>> additional pixels. In fact, if you have a NeXT, set the screen > >>> resolution to 1024x768 via NetInfo and play with it to get the feel. > >> > >> I had no idea you could do this! I tried playing with NetInfo for a > >> while, but couldn't find a way... could you explain how this is done? > >> I would love to try it for just the reason you say. > > > > Look in the 3.0 Release Notes. It's there. > > Sorry. I wasn't trying to be obtuse last night, I read from home on a > dumb terminal and didn't have access to Librarian. (Please, Frame, > port FrameMaker so I can bring my slab home.) > > The details, quoting from > > /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/ReleaseNotes/AppKit.rtf > > are: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To assure that an application runs properly on small screen, > without actually having a small screen, you can trick the machine into > believing it has one. To do this you need to edit the screen > configuration stored in NetInfo. First run NetInfoManager (in > /NextAdmin); you should get a window for your local host. Open the > directory /localconfig/screens/MegaPixel and change the value of the > active property to "1" and the width and height in the bounds property > to anything you wish. Leave the origin at 0, 0. ("0 832 0 624" is one > possibility; it describes a 832 x 624 screen). Then save the > directory, logout, and restart the window server by specifying "exit" > as the user name at the loginwindow. The system should come back up > and use a smaller portion of the display as the screen. > > To restore your original screen, change active to "0" and the > bounds to "0 1120 0 832" (or whatever it was initially). > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > That's all there is to it. > > -- > Michael McCulloch > mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) > Huntsville, Alabama There is also a neat little application that can do this and change the depth for you. Email me and I will send it to you. =derek -- Derek Collison <---> derek@nosloc.com Nosloc Software Technologies
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: Re: XM3401B own SCSI controller? Message-ID: <1993Jun17.092431.23598@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science References: <C8qJ2K.KGx@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 09:24:31 GMT tacchi@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Mark G. Tacchi) writes: > You will not be able to use the SCSI controller that comes with the CD Player. > It isn't a supported configuration. Stick with the DPT. I was told that the DPT controller is a *fast* SCSI-2 controller and that connecting the *not fast* cd player would turn the controller into a "normal" SCSI-2 controller (no 16 bit transfers). Does this mean that I should disconnect the cd player after installation and get the *fast* SCSI for my hd or am I wrong and does NS/FIP not support the *fast* transfers with the DPT controller? Bart -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: botma@cs.utwente.nl (Bart Botma) Subject: Re: DPT SCSI controller: Is cache module required? Message-ID: <1993Jun17.093630.24003@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science References: <1voa5u$3ol@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 09:36:30 GMT lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) writes: > I'm sure this is a stupid question, but it's not totally clear to me > whether the extra cache module for the DPT is required. Will I be > able to use it without until I can scrape up the bucks to add the cache > module? *Real* operating systems don't need caching controllers because the filesystems take care of it (I was told by a Un*x guru that most controllers for Un*x systems are sold without cache). Buy a larger/faster/... HD instead :-) Bart -- ___/T\_______ Bart Botma, botma@cs.utwente.nl, University of Twente ,--_ |___\I/ _ __| Department of Computer Science, Tele-Informatics & /)_( ) | | O / \ (_ | Open Systems Group, P.O.Box 217, NL-7500 AE, Enschede (___ / |_|__S_\_/___)| The Netherlands,phone:+31-53-893755,fax:+31-53-333815 =/ \)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: luis@elysia.fdn.org (Luis Arias) Subject: Anybody tried NS on ICL PCs ? Message-ID: <1993Jun17.091701.170@elysia.fdn.org> Keywords: NS ICL Sender: luis@elysia.fdn.org Organization: Elysia - Rueil_Malmaison, France. Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 09:17:01 GMT Hi, If anyone has already installed, and operated NS/FIP on one of ICL s computers could they please let me know by email ? Thanks, --- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon 92500 RUEIL-MALMAISON FRANCE [33] (1) 47 49 61 96 [33] (1) 47 14 99 08 fax luis@elysia.fdn.org (NeXTmail ok) -- Luis Arias President Elysia, Inc. 23, rue Buffon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: inmcoop@bnr.ca (Dennis Pejcha) Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube References: <1993Jun16.191822.26189@cs.cornell.edu> <1vo7lc$ha4@cnn.sim.es.com> Sender: inmcoop@bcarh4ce (Wayne Shelley) Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 13:10:34 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun17.131034.11242@zoonews.bnr.ca> Just a random thought... Is it possible to connect a second drive to the floppy port on the '040 motherboards? (Not that I have the ROOM to shove another drive in my slab) I imagine backups would go a lot faster since you could be switching disks in one drive while writing data to the other drive. Anyone know if this is possible? Like I said, just a random thought. -D ----------------------------------+---------------------------------- My undergraduate identity: | My current co-op identity ----------------------------------+---------------------------------- Dennis Pejcha | Dennis Pejcha University of Waterloo | Bell Northern Research, Ottawa Faculty of Mathematics | Carling Labs, Lab 3 Comp. Sci. Major | Integrated Node Mtce, Co-op dpejcha@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca | inmcoop@bnr.ca ('til Aug/93) ----------------------------------+---------------------------------- If the University of Waterloo, Bell Northern Research, or anyone else shares my opinions, that's their problem, not mine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- In article <1vo7lc$ha4@cnn.sim.es.com>, npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) writes: [munch] |> |> All newer 68040 based NeXT machines have a floppy port integrated on the |> motherboard. Consequently, you can add a floppy drive to these machines |> without being forced to put the drive on the SCSI bus (ala: PLI's method). |> However, even with these newer machines, if you want a PORTABLE floppy drive |> that you can move from machine to machine, you need to get a drive (like |> PLI's) that plugs into the SCSI port. |> |> But, if you want a single, internal floppy drive on any 68040 NeXT, you can |> plug the bare drive (the 2.88 MB variety) directly into the built-in floppy |> port on the motherboard. That's how the NeXTStation's do it! |> |> If you buy a PLI drive, you are buying: a case, a SCSI interface board, |> a power supply (to run the drive as well as the SCSI board), and |> miscellaneous stuff like the SCSI id selector switch, connectors, a ribbon |> cable that connects the drive to the SCSI board, etc. |> |> If you plug the drive into your motherboard instead, all you need is the |> drive (it'll take power off the motherboard via the ribbon cable), and a |> standard ribbon cable with two standard connectors. |> |> Nevin
From: max@mcs-server.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How to utilize HP4M laser printer with NEXTSTEP Date: 17 Jun 93 08:51:25 Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, MN Message-ID: <MAX.93Jun17085125@mcs-server.gac.edu> References: <1993Jun16.181427.23812@cs.yale.edu> In-reply-to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu's message of Wed, 16 Jun 1993 18:14:27 GMT In article <1993Jun16.181427.23812@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: We're considering the purchase of the top-of-the-line HP4M-whatever laser printer (10 MB RAM, ethernet interface, MIRVs, self-aware, etc) for use as a workgroup printer for several NeXT machines. ... Here's the potential problem: the ethernet interface apparently does not support the "correct" BSD lpr network addressing, and uses some hack in which it appears to be a tty or something like that. There is some software which runs on HPUX systems that handles the addressing properly. ... Will this software compile and run on NEXTSTEP ... Another approach is to replace HP's ethernet interface with the NetJet from Emulex. We've got one of these in our HP 4M. It speaks honest to goodnest lpr/lpd protocol, and works fine with our NeXTs. Another plus is that it is reasonably priced and can support Netware, Appletalk, and LAT as well all on one board -- though we haven't gotten any of those to work yet at this point (through no fault of Emulex's, probably).
From: npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Date: 17 Jun 1993 15:35:57 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vq30t$pkd@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <1993Jun17.131034.11242@zoonews.bnr.ca> In article 11242@zoonews.bnr.ca, inmcoop@bnr.ca (Dennis Pejcha) writes: > Just a random thought... > > Is it possible to connect a second drive to the floppy port on the '040 > motherboards? (Not that I have the ROOM to shove another drive in my slab) > I imagine backups would go a lot faster since you could be switching disks > in one drive while writing data to the other drive. Anyone know if this is > possible? > > Like I said, just a random thought. > I believe the answer is: "No", although I've never bothered to verify it. Back in the early days of 40-track 5.25" drives with the early Schugart SA-400 interface, drive selection was via one of the leads (pins) of the interface cable. To make a drive answer to a particular "address", you could do it one of two ways: (1) via a jumper on the drive board, or (2) via a special connector on the interface cable that had some of the pins removed (this option required you to leave all addresses jumpered to TRUE on the board of the drive). With option #1, drive B could be plugged into connector A, B, C, or D. This was how most manufacturers did it. With option #2, drive 'X' was always drive B if it was plugged into connector B, and was drive A if plugged into connector A. This was how Radio Shack did theirs. The point is: I don't remember seeing any pins removed on the floppy connector for the NeXT, so I don't think option #2 is being done. And, I don't remember any physical jumpers for drive address selection on the mechanism, so I don't think option #1 is being done. I suppose they could be doing some sort of auto-sensing with auto-address programming (it's been a long time since I looked into these things, and I've fallen behind quite a bit), but if I was a betting man, I'd bet that you can only have one floppy drive plugged into the floppy port. And, I seem to remember a post by M Carling that stated the same thing. Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: IDDOBLIN@chico.acc.iit.edu (ID) Subject: Re: DPT SCSI controller: Is cache module required? In-Reply-To: lusty@lusty.tamu.edu's message of 16 Jun 1993 23:25:50 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun17.153903.24085@iitmax.iit.edu> Sender: news@iitmax.iit.edu (News) Organization: ILLINOIS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, CHICAGO References: <1voa5u$3ol@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 93 15:39:03 GMT In <1voa5u$3ol@tamsun.tamu.edu> lusty@lusty.tamu.edu writes: > > I'm sure this is a stupid question, but it's not totally clear to me > whether the extra cache module for the DPT is required. Will I be > able to use it without until I can scrape up the bucks to add the cache > module? > > Diana You can use the DPT without the cache option. I just installed NS/I on a PC with a DPT card without the cache ... no problems (at least none related to the DPT card). Jeb (saving for that cache module ... )
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware From: msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu (Mohan Sodhi) Subject: SUMMARY:Vendors selling NS/I preinstalled Message-ID: <msodhi.740335484@uclagsm> Keywords: Next step/Intel, pre0installed, vendors Date: 17 Jun 93 09:56:02 PDT In response to my post asking for a list of computer systems (486) vendors who sell NeXTStep pre-installed, I got ZERO responses. However, from a local trade magazine, I found out that Epson will be selling "Progression NX" model at the end of this month (June) that is "optimized" for NeXTStep and has NS pre-installed. Here are the specs: 36M RAM (max 68M) 2M video RAM 525M Hard disk 6 ISA slots multimedia sound card, ethernet card According to a salesperson I talked to, the price is tentatively $3,754. NeXTStep will be preinstalled, and edu. discounts will apply. You can call Epson at (800)922-8911 (select option 2). The computer can be bought both mail-order and from dealers. Epson sells printers too but I did not ask for prices. Btw, I am not connected to Epson in any way, not even as an existing customer. However, I am quite excited by their offer after having talked to sales reps from Dell, Gateway, IBM and DEC. Mohan Sodhi msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu
From: marcos@kaleida.com (Paul Marcos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CD-ROM Apple CD300 (was recmds needed) Date: 17 Jun 1993 16:27:05 GMT Organization: Kaleida Labs, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vq60qINNab@golden.kaleida.com> References: <1993Jun17.043520.2254@cx5.com> In article <1993Jun17.043520.2254@cx5.com> tlc@cx5.com writes: > I started this thread, sounds like this Apple CD300 is a good unit. The new > pricing is attractive. > > Do you really need Quicktime for the multi-session PhotoCD? I'm thinking you > don't, but definitely want this capability so I'm asking. > > Someone posted that this Apple drive will work with both NeXTs and Intel PCs. > Is that correct? > > Regarding CD digital audio via SCSI bus: Does this mean that one can record to > the computer's hard disk a CD audio disk? Very interesing. > If you're using it on a NeXT, using multi-session PhotoCD has nothing to do with QuickTime...I'm not sure I understand what you're after. Yes, the drive works with both NeXT machines (I've got one on my NeXTstation right now) as well as Intel PCs (well, at least with a Gateway 2000). Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get CDPlayer working with it yet, but then again I couldn't get it working with my NeXT CD-ROM either! Regarding Digital audio. The drive can read audio CDs directly so you can play sound through the computer from audio CDs. On Macs, you need QuickTime 1.6 in order to do this. For the NeXT, we'll need an updated version of CDPlayer or something. Anybody working on one?!? Paul ................................................................... Paul Marcos NeXTMail encouraged! Kaleida Labs, Inc. marcos@kaleida.com
From: cjp+@pitt.edu (Casimir J Palowitch) Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: SUMMARY:Vendors selling NS/I preinstalled Keywords: Next step/Intel, pre0installed, vendors Message-ID: <14564@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Date: 17 Jun 93 17:36:26 GMT References: <msodhi.740335484@uclagsm> Sender: news+@pitt.edu Followup-To: comp.soft-sys.nextstep Organization: University of Pittsburgh In article <msodhi.740335484@uclagsm> msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu (Mohan Sodhi) writes: =be selling "Progression NX" model at the end of this month (June) =>that is "optimized" for NeXTStep and has NS pre-installed. Here are the =>specs: => 36M RAM (max 68M) => 2M video RAM => 525M Hard disk => 6 ISA slots => multimedia sound card, ethernet card =>According to a salesperson I talked to, the price is tentatively $3,754. =>NeXTStep will be preinstalled, and edu. discounts will apply. =>You can call Epson at (800)922-8911 (select option 2). The computer I just called this number, and was told that the only way any edu. discounts applied was through re-sellers. Do you know of any who will sell the above machine at this price? The Epson direct price was $5349 w/o monitor. 17" monitor was $905. 20" $2261. >Mohan Sodhi >msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu -- ** Casey Palowitch - cjp+@pitt.edu UWSA #570881 ** ** Networked Information Services Group / Technical Services ** ** U. of Pittsburgh Library Systems // NeXTSTEP... ** ** ...the most respected piece of software on the planet BYTE10/92 **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: hsr@cs.Stanford.EDU (Scott Roy) Subject: Re: DPT SCSI controller: Is cache module required? Message-ID: <1993Jun17.180941.2135@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA References: <1993Jun17.093630.24003@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 18:09:41 GMT Bart Botma writes | | *Real* operating systems don't need caching controllers because | the filesystems take care of it (I was told by a Un*x guru that | most controllers for Un*x systems are sold without cache). | Buy a larger/faster/... HD instead :-) | This sounds accurate for reads--system RAM and virtual memory are more versatile than a cache--but is it true for writes as well? Scott Roy Stanford University
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: aitken@cs.cornell.edu (William E. Aitken) Subject: NeXT Cube won't boot Message-ID: <1993Jun17.180728.11527@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 18:07:28 GMT Well, disaster seems finally to have struck... I suppose I should have expected it having just ordered the 3.1 upgrade. I have an early cube (SN < 2000), with a 68040 upgrade installed. Internal 660M Maxtor Drive + a (previously) working OD. This morning when I tried to turn on the machine, it came on, got to teh point where it says ``Loading from disk....'', the disk icon started spinning, and then the screen went completely blank. I really can't tell if the disk inside is spinning or not. I do know that trying to boot from my external SCSI disk or the OD doesn't help. It seems that the screen doesn't blank out until the machine tries to go to disk. I am still able to power down from the keyboard (although it is a bit of a pain) evan after the screen blanks. Does anyone have any clue what might be wrong. [I'm basically looking for ``obvious'', cheap, DIY type solutions that I might have missed here.] Failing that, how does one go about getting one of these beasts serviced? Something about Bell Atlantic comes to mind, but something more definitie would be helpful. --- Bill. -- William E. Aitken | Formal verification is the email: Bill.Aitken@cornell.edu | future of computer science --- snail: 140-C Valentine Pl., Ithaca NY 14850 | Always has been, always will be. ===============================================================================
From: rogata@is-next.umd.edu (Richard Scott Ogata) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: What Pentium based systems are available, if any? Date: 17 Jun 1993 16:41:46 GMT Organization: University Of Maryland, College Park, MD Distribution: na Message-ID: <1vq6sa$jl@umd5.umd.edu> Are there any Pentium based systems out there which will run NS/I. I see that NeXT claims that 3.1 runs on the Pentium in their press-releases, but I don't see any Pentium systems in the latest compatibility guide. Rich
From: zmonster@athena.mit.edu (Eric M Hermanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Will Adaptec 1542 *A* SCSI Controller Work? Date: 17 Jun 1993 20:57:56 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vqlsk$4nn@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> We have an old Adaptec 1542A SCSI controller that we would like to use to install NEXTSTEP Intel. The hardware compatibility guide says 1542B and 1542C will work, but it says nothing about 1542A. I called Adaptec, and they said the main differences between A,B,C is that B has more features than A, and C has more features than B, but they all have essentially the same "foundation". This leads me to believe the 1542A may just work. Does anyone have positive experience with this controller? Thanks, Eric
From: "Jeremy G. Mereness" <zonker+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Losing Contact w LANetwork?? Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 17:40:24 -0400 Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <kg8CH8u00WB0AkSEUO@andrew.cmu.edu> [sorry for the cross-post] I have a NeXTStation Color that has recently developed problems with talking on a thin-net based LAN. While it can ping and telnet to other hosts, it loses contact with NFS servers when it tries to fetch anything of any size bigger than the contents of a directory (like launching an application). While an app tries to launch, the console will report "server not responding... still trying" over and over while it establishes and loses contact repeatedly. FTP'ing something from a host to the machine also hangs up after one or two items cross the wire. Again, all the while, I can ping and even telnet to other hosts on my LAN... but, ping doesn't always report 0% packet loss, and if I 'cat' a large file in a telnet session, it will freeze up after a screenful or so of data. I have rebuilt the disk from scratch, but the behavior hasn't changed, and I have played with different cables, all to no effect. I am suspecting a hardware problem. What should I do? How can I verify my findings? Do I have to call BellAtlantic to get service? I just hope I am not looking at a new motherboard. Thanks in Advance! Jeremy Mereness zonker+@cmu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Programmer/Analyst Please No NeXT Mail.. Yet FAST Laboratory +++++ Graduate School of Industrial Administration - Carnegie Mellon University
From: h0l847a@tamsun.tamu.edu (Hoseong La) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: CD-ROM drive as a boot device? Date: 17 Jun 1993 13:43:56 -0500 Organization: tamu Distribution: usa Message-ID: <1vqe1c$hp7@tamsun.tamu.edu> I wonder if one can use a CD-ROM drive as a boot device. It seems to me that the system should confuse the CD-ROM drive as external HDD. Does this make sense or just sound silly? Anyone out there ever tried?
From: sta@logibec.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Intel FlashCard update Keywords: Intel FlashCard Message-ID: <1993Jun17.212649.10095@logibec.com> Date: 17 Jun 93 21:26:49 GMT References: <1993Jun16.164752.12701@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@logibec.com Distribution: na Organization: Logibec Groupe Informatique Ltee, QC, Canada In article <1993Jun16.164752.12701@news.media.mit.edu> lacsap@plethora.media.mit.edu (Pascal Chesnais) writes: > you can coerce it to work by installing the board on > another machine and disabling the flashboot stuff... > > If you are an Intel Pro-GX only site you are in trouble. > > pasc The Intel EtherExpress16 card w/o TP works fine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pasqua@adobe.com Subject: Re: Lucky-Goldstar LG466NX/2 Message-ID: <1993Jun18.002142.7689@adobe.com> Sender: usenet@adobe.com (USENET NEWS) Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated References: <1993Jun17.200523.735@Princeton.EDU> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 00:21:42 GMT In article <1993Jun17.200523.735@Princeton.EDU> serge@dadofsam.Princeton.EDU writes: > Is anyone running NS/FIP on the Lucky-Goldstar (LOGISYS) LG466NX/2? This looks > like an impressive machine (wingine local bus, VESA local bus, 466/DX2 > processor), and I've gotten a very good price quote. Any chance the Epson/NX ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > 1120x832 driver would work on this machine? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Serge J. Goldstein No. The driver operates differently for the Epson Wingine and the LGI Wingine. Even if the driver would work, the machines use different DACs and I don't believe that the current LGI machines can do greater than 1024x768 in 16 bit color. Joe Pasqua
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bmehlman@woofer.biztech.com (Ben Mehlman) Subject: Re: Low End Postscript Printers for NS Message-ID: <1993Jun17.160349.6700@biztech.com> Sender: news@biztech.com Organization: Biztech, Inc. References: <BHILL.93Jun10111353@madonna.physics.ucla.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:03:49 GMT In article <BHILL.93Jun10111353@madonna.physics.ucla.edu> bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) writes: > In article <1993Jun10.034531.16752@news.acns.nwu.edu> jweiss@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jerry Weiss) writes: > > > Okay, now that I will have NextStep at home (finally!) I need a nice > > printer to go with it. What are people using for low end printers? > > I was looking at HP LJIIIP, DEC has printer with PS II, TI and NEC. > > My LJIIIP is functioning very nicely as a postscript printer. However, it > is not "low end." By the time you have purchased a Postscript Level II > cartridge, necessary extra RAM, and a paper tray that will hold a good supply > of paper, your cost will be around $1600. > > Also, a post around a month ago made it pretty clear that there are > circumstances where Postscript Level I is not adequate, so I wouldn't > recommend cutting corners that way. > > One other comment is that the speed per page varies so much depending > on the type and number of pages of postscript that I don't think I can > give any meaningful estimate of printing speed. Perhaps there are some > benchmarks? --Brian Hill > > (From: field may be screwed up...sorry...bhill@madonna.physics.ucla.edu) I recently purchased an NEC Silentwriter. This is a low cost, 6 PPM postscript (level 2 I think) laser. Other than being somewhat slow, it has worked out very well. The cost was about $1300 at CompUSA (bought it in a time crunch). I'm sure it is available elsewhere for less. If you're going to be using a serial connection there's a significant problem with some printers. Some printers (such as the LJ 4M) use DTR/DSR handshaking, instead of the usual RTS/CTS. This is OK, but it means you will need a special cable. The NEC uses CTS/RTS and therefore worked using a standard NeXT printer cable into a NS Turbo, at 38.4K bps. Ben Mehlman bmehlman@biztech.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: sta@logibec.com Subject: Re: Intel P/GX IDE disk speeds? video? (was:Re: Intel P/GX -NS/I Experience) Message-ID: <1993Jun17.220028.10281@logibec.com> Sender: news@logibec.com Organization: Logibec Groupe Informatique Ltee, QC, Canada References: <1v8ju1INNbuk@crcnis1.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 22:00:28 GMT The best result for the Intel GX IDE setup is the combination of: - a disk IDE Quantum LPS525AT drive about 10-12 ms access time - and the NEW Intel GX motherboard with Adaptec SCSI 6360 The I/O writing is faster than my NeXT Turbo Station. Note: With another similar speedy IDE disk on the same motherboard, It is 2 times slower than the combination of (Quantum + New borad). Stephane Ah-ki sta@Logibec.com Logibec Montreal, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: duane@shell.portal.com (Duane Takamine) Subject: Support for Ultrastor 34F? Message-ID: <C8sxq5.Fy4@unix.portal.com> Summary: Will NeXT support Ultrastor 34F? When? Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:25:12 GMT This may have already been asked and answered, but if so I missed it. I have a Gateway 486DX2/66V system with the Ultrastor 34F local bus SCSI controller. I do not see it ion the supported hardware list. Does anyone know if/when this controller will be supported by NeXTStep FIP? Thanks, Duane -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Duane Takamine duane@shell.portal.com Island CD Creations Madd Hacker Productions Home of the Sound Site CDROM - nearly 1400 mods on disc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) Subject: NS/FIP- which motherboards? Message-ID: <C8syC7.M6v@utstat.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:38:31 GMT I am trying to build the least expensive no name clone possible that will run NS. -monitor and hard drive are very good ( Viewsonic 17 and a Maxtor). That leaves the motherboard, assuming the graphics' card has to be "name brand" such as ATI, which would be nice to avoid. The question is which motherboards are supported by NS (eg. Micronics, etc...)? Is the Sound Blaster () or some of the other audio boards supported? Keyboards, mice? Apart from the monitor and the hard drive, I'd like to keep the cost under $1600. [Case= $100, SB()= $200, 486DX-33 motherboard (no cpu)=$200, graphics $100->$200 depending on support for non-ATI in which case it's $400 and I'm over budget, $800 memory] Total for a 33MHz 20+meg clone = $1600 (add $200 for ATI, $300 or so if one wants a 486DX 66/2 with a cpu). Total (max)= $2100+monitor+HD. The question simply is which motherboards!? Thank's, -- Philip McDunnough University of Toronto philip@utstat.toronto.edu [Where sheep may safely graze...]
From: wardm@well.sf.ca.us Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: IBM VLB Motherboard, anyone booted NS/FIP with it? Date: 18 Jun 1993 06:16:48 GMT Organization: THOUGHT, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vrmkg$7bs@male.EBay.Sun.COM> Has anyone tried to boot NS/FIP on one of the IBMSLC-2 VLB motherboards? The price for a DX2-50 is around $370 here in silicon valley, and it comes with 2VLB slots. These boards clobber intel on the mips rating (16k vs 8k internal cache), and are a *lot* cheaper. If anyone has tried to boot a system with NS/FIP, please let me know the results! thanks, ward
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,sci.electronics,comp.sys.next.programmer From: eric@whyanext.com (Eric Schwartz) Subject: Interfacing an X-10 controller to a NeXT? Message-ID: <C8t5nJ.71I@unix.portal.com> Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 08:16:28 GMT I have an X-10 (home automation) control unit that hooks up to a Mac via a serial port. I would very much like to hook it up to my NeXT, so I can experiment with writing a NEXTSTEP application to control lights to come on at certain times, etc. Can someone give me a rough idea of what is involved with writing the low level code to talk to the interface via a serial port? I have a programming manual for the X-10 unit, which lists the byte format for communicating with the device, and specifies a baud rate of 600, 8 data bits, no parity, and 1 stop bit. The manual also says: "A gap of 1 millisecond should be left between each byte of data sent." "A start bit signifies that a string of 8 data bits will follow. A start bit is always a SPACE bit, i.e. "0". A stop bit signifies that the data is finished and separates one byte from another. A stop bit is always a MARK bit, "1"." Is this something trivial to do? Does anyone have code that sets up communication with the port? (Yes indeed, I am just learning to program in C, but the X-10 interface would make my programming exercises much more interesting!) Thanks, Eric -- Eric Schwartz eric@whyanext.com (NeXTmail spoken here) "A five is an old four." --from 'The Silly Record' by Stoo Hample
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: m@BlueRose.com (M Carling) Subject: Re: DPT SCSI controller: Is cache module required? Message-ID: <1993Jun18.033307.5330@BlueRose.com> Sender: m@BlueRose.com Organization: Blue Rose Systems, Inc. References: <1voa5u$3ol@tamsun.tamu.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 03:33:07 GMT In article <1voa5u$3ol@tamsun.tamu.edu> lusty@lusty.tamu.edu (Lusty Wench) writes: > > I'm sure this is a stupid question, but it's not totally clear to me > whether the extra cache module for the DPT is required. Will I be > able to use it without until I can scrape up the bucks to add the cache > module? You can and should use it without a cache. Adding system RAM would better improve performance and cost less. M Carling President, Bay Area NeXT Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Andy.Hewett@informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Andy Hewett) Subject: Jaws + NEC 5fg = fuzzy Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 09:11:52 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun18.091152.15478@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Sender: news@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE Is anyone else experiencing problems with a Dell DGX (Jaws graphics), NFIP and a NEC 5fg monitor? The monitor picture is unsharp and very straining on the eyes. We have not succeeded in adjusting the monitor to remove this effect. Booting under Windows3.1 and using the various Jaws drivers produces a crystal clear picture, so obviously the monitor and the Jaws graphics board are ok. We are currently running PR1, and are waiting for 3.1. Is the situation any better with the public NFIP release? Does anyone know of a solution to these problems, or are we just going to have to throw the NEC 5FG monitor away and try some other random monitor? Andy Hewett -- Dr. Andrew Hewett Andy.Hewett@Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE FB-10 Informatik, Carl von Ossietzky Universitaet Oldenburg, Tel: +49 441 9706210 Postfach 2503, D-W2900 Oldenburg, Germany. Fax: +49 441 7982155
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.unix.admin Subject: Re: SCSI DAT drive recommendations ? Message-ID: <83589@cup.portal.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 03:40:26 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <1uqe67$t6b@ni.umd.edu> <1993Jun6.165523.20331@resonex.com> <1993Jun9.082758.733@totaltec.com> <C8o07E.D38@cbfsb.cb.att.com> In article <C8o07E.D38@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rdell@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (richard.b.dell) writes: | A little harsh in tone, but I certainly agree with the concept. Why | indeed append to any tape, when the act of appending can destroy all | [...] | I also do not particularly like incremental backups. If feasable, | having a full backup on each tape is the best way to go. This can, | of course, be a problem if the backup process takes too long for a | full backup, but if you can schedule it through cron to run when | the system load is low, even a several hour backup is not unmanagable. | And so much more secure than doing incrementals, every tape is com- | plete, rather than requiring all tapes back to the last full backup | inclusive to be readable. Precisely, and my policy, too. Given that in this area (Silicon Valley) the Archive DATs cost the same for either the compression or non-compression drives (4542 vs 4540, for example, for 22MB/min vs 11MB/min respectively), I chose the compression drives for better tape handling (speed, etc.) and have turned compression off (since DDS-DC is "only" Lempel-Ziv whereas most my HD contents are gzip'd. One point that no-one has yet addressed: cleaning the drive. The instructions with DAT 4mm (and Exabyte 8mm, for that matter) are very explicit. Sheesh; drive cleaning cartridges cost less than US$20 and are good for anywhere from 25 to 45 (Maxell) cycles. And how many people flip the write-protect after doing a full backup? :-) Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com, thad@netcom.com ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: droux@hei.unige.ch Subject: Re: Jaws + NEC 5fg = fuzzy Message-ID: <1993Jun18.150552.1@hei.unige.ch> Sender: usenet@news.unige.ch Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 13:05:52 GMT >Is anyone else experiencing problems with a Dell DGX (Jaws >graphics), NFIP and a NEC 5fg monitor? The monitor picture is unsharp >and very straining on the eyes. We have not succeeded in adjusting the >monitor to remove this effect. Booting under Windows3.1 and using >the various Jaws drivers produces a crystal clear picture, so >obviously the monitor and the Jaws graphics board are ok. From the NeXTAnswers document #1154, 1154_Dell_DGX.rtfd, you can read: "The Ultrascan monitor shipped with the Dell DG/X and the NEC 5FG both reportedly have some difficulty displaying 1120 x 832 video correctly. This can result in fuzziness and faded colors. The NEC 6FG does not apparently suffer from this problem". If you are not familiar with NeXTAnswers, send a message containing help in the body to NeXTanswers@NeXT.com. Hope this helps, Nicolas Droux Enginnering College of Biel, CS-Dept Switzerland.
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Problems with NS/FIP installation -> keyboard lock-up (Gateway 2000 warning!!!!) Date: 17 Jun 1993 16:19:53 GMT Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <1vq5j9$ivr@menudo.uh.edu> References: <1993Jun16.032616.18928@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> In article <1993Jun16.032616.18928@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) writes: #In article <1vkrhs$ht@menudo.uh.edu> sears@uh.edu writes: # #>We are having repeatable problems trying to install NS/fip on a Gateway 2000 #>4DX2-66V system. This system has the following configuration: #> #[...] #> #>The problem is similar to the ones that others are experiencing: #> #>When the installation gets to the point where it asks for a language (i.e.) #> #> Type 1 to use the English language and USA keyboard while ... #> Tapez 2 pour installer NEXSTEP avec un clavier et des ... #> Eingabe 3 fur NEXSTEP-Installation mit deutscher ... #> #>At this point the keyboard is completely dead. It will not respond. The #>only recourse is to reboot. # #This should become an FAQ. I believe the docs says that on some systems, #you ****must**** press a key at the boot> prompt. # No this is not the case. I have posted a long summary of the specific problem. It seems to be a timing issue during the polling of the keyboard by NEXTSTEP. You can press "return" to your heart's content at the Boot> prompt, but it still won't make the keyboard work :-) #Also, if you don't get a mouse pointer later on, then try moving the #mouse to COM1. # #I've had these problems with an Intel Professional/GX, so I don't #think they're Gateway or BIOS specific. #-- #Michael McCulloch #mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) #Huntsville, Alabama -- Paul S. Sears * sears@uh.edu (NeXT Mail OK) The University of Houston * suggestions@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXT Engineering Computing Center * comments, complaints, questions) NeXT System Administration * DoD#1967 '83 NightHawk 650SC >>> SSI Diving Certification #755020059 <<< "Programming is like sex: One mistake and you support it a lifetime."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: sfch@dmu.ac.uk (Simon Harwood) Subject: Cable to connect 68040 CPU board to Canon OD (omd-1) Message-ID: <1993Jun18.132222.6226@dmu.ac.uk> Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK. Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 13:22:22 GMT Does anyone know the configuration of the cable to go from the 20-way connector on a 68040 CPU board installed in a Cube plus Dimension board (added as an extra) to a Canon Magneto-Optical Drive? The guts of this drive are the standard (but not available here) NeXT internal optical drive. I currently have the drive connected (as purchased) to the SCSI port with SCSI target 6 (targets 2,3,4 and 5 are not recognised when set on this drive) but have not been able to get the drive to operate correctly. (there are three things that happen in this case: 1) the drive is not recognised at all, 2) (without a disk in the drive) the drive is recognised but the computer hangs when you try to use the drive, and 3) (with a disk in the drive) there is a SCSI error returned, the system still boots, and the computer still hangs when you try to use the drive.) Therefore, I would like to try connecting the OD to the CPU board directly without the 2 SCSI interfaces and cableing in between, and trying to access it as /dev/od0, /dev/r0d0, etc... instead of trying to access it as /dev/sd0a, /dev/rsd0a, etc... and failing. Once again, the computer is a NeXT Cube (+ Dimension) with a 68040 CPU board. Any replies at all on this subject would be appreciated, e-mail is prefered due to not getting much time to read the USENET news. Thanks, Simon.. -- Simon Harwood, Research Technician, Phone: (+44)(0)533 551551 x7915 De Montfort University, The Gateway, Fax : (+44)(0)533 577574 LEICESTER, LE1 9BH UK. E-mail: sfch@uk.ac.dmu (JANET), sfch@dmu.ac.uk (Internet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: massarik@courier4.aero.org (david massarik) Subject: Vendor Info... Message-ID: <massarik-180693062814@quad2070f.aero.org> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: news@speedy.aero.org Organization: Aerospace Corporation Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 14:29:24 GMT Could someone post phone#'s, addresses, names of vendors that sell/specialize in selling NEXT compatible PC's? In particular a phone number for the Intel and Epson systems would help out alot! thanks, david
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware From: dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu (Doug Boyce) Subject: Re: SUMMARY:Vendors selling NS/I preinstalled Message-ID: <C8ttG8.FCs@acsu.buffalo.edu> Keywords: Next step/Intel, pre0installed, vendors Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo References: <msodhi.740335484@uclagsm> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 16:50:32 GMT In article <msodhi.740335484@uclagsm> msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu (Mohan Sodhi) writes: >In response to my post asking for a list of computer systems (486) >vendors who sell NeXTStep pre-installed, I got ZERO responses. Advance 2000 in Buffalo is selling Intel systems bundled with NEXTSTEP for regular customers and specific options in bundling for eductional customers. Email or call 716-631-5602(voice) 631-0569(fax) to receive a price sheet or quote. Doug PS: I do work for them. -- Doug Boyce dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke) Subject: Re: Mouse getting wobbly Message-ID: <1993Jun17.114554.1126@gamelan> Sender: thomas@gamelan (thomas) Organization: Disorganization References: <1vl3uu$56g@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 11:45:54 GMT In article <1vl3uu$56g@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> jmm@king.econ.lsa.umich.edu (Jeffrey K. MacKie-Mason) writes: > > The mouse on my old cube has suddenly started "wobbling" as I > move it (the ball is noisy, seems loose). I remember this > happening on another machine (not mine) and the ability of the > mouse to track seemed to deteriorate rapidly after that. > > Is there something I should do to nurse this mouse back to health? > Yes, cleaning. You have to remove the dirt from the small rollers inside - it's a bit sticky. I have to do this every 2 weeks, the mouse becomes easily dirty ! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas Funke ** Unix-Consultant ** thf@zelator.in-berlin.de The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
From: bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Will this CD-ROM work? Date: 18 Jun 1993 18:03:59 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vt02fINN258@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Does anyone know if this cd-rom drive wil work with a Next? It is not on the list of drives in the FAQ. NEC CDR-25 SCSI CD-ROM drive Thanks...Bruce
From: opus@athena.mit.edu (Dave J.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: DAT backup vs. audio DAT Date: 18 Jun 1993 18:09:02 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology Message-ID: <1vt0bu$jnm@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Does there exist a single piece of hardware which can be used both as a DAT backup device, and as an audio DAT player/recorder (it would be ok if it only did digital I/O, since I have an outboard box for the analog conversions)? I'd like to avoid duplication of hardware, if at all possible. A piece of software to read/write soundfiles from/to a DAT backup machine in the audio DAT format would probably suffice, as well. Just so that the resulting tape could be played on any normal audio DAT machine. Thanks -Dave -- -David Jedlinsky opus@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: xinwei@otter.Stanford.EDU (Sha Xin Wei) Subject: optical disk with bad block Message-ID: <1993Jun18.194732.7214@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 19:47:32 GMT Where can I find docs to help me fix a bad block on my optical? I have tried fsck, and have checked the online docs + the man pages. In brief, the diagnostic is "bitmap bad but no alternate found!". Here's a history: UPON INSERTING OPTICAL INTO MY NeXT, THE WORKSPACE SAID THE OPTICAL WAS DAMAGED, SO I OKAY'D "REPAIR"... WHICH FAILED. CONSOLE GAVE THE FOLLOWING WARNINGS od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 178720 phys block 180784 (15448:0:0) /dev/rod0a: CANNOT READ: BLK 178720 /dev/rod0a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 178720 phys block 180784 (15448:0:0) od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 178720 phys block 180784 (15448:0:0) od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 178720 phys block 180784 (15448:0:0) od0a: read failed (bitmap bad but no alternate found!) block 178720 phys block 180784 (15448:0:0) sg0 (3,1): ERROR op:0x12 sd_state:4 scsi status:0x2 - ----------------------------------------------- SO I RAN FSCK... otter:17# /usr/etc/fsck /dev/rod0a ** /dev/rod0a ** Last Mounted on /SHAarchive1 ** Phase 1 - Check Blocks and Sizes CANNOT READ: BLK 178720 CONTINUE? y THE FOLLOWING SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 178720, ** Phase 2 - Check Pathnames CANNOT READ: BLK 178720 CONTINUE? y THE FOLLOWING SECTORS COULD NOT BE READ: 178720, ** Phase 3 - Check Connectivity ** Phase 4 - Check Reference Counts ** Phase 5 - Check Cyl groups 9571 files, 190679 used, 42387 free (1395 frags, 5124 blocks, 0.6% fragmentation) File system not may not be clean! Run fsck again to clean. otter:18# /usr/etc/mount /dev/rod0a /SHAarchive1 - ----------------------------------------------- THE DISK STILL WOULD NOT MOUNT UPON INSERTION; WORKSPACE ASKED TO REPAIR IT. HOW CAN I MANUALLY MOUNT THE OD? (RERUNNING FSCK DIDN'T CLEAN THE DISK.) mount: /dev/rod0a on /SHAarchive1: Block device required mount: giving up on: /SHAarchive1 - ----------------------------------------------- I TRIED TO GET SOME INFO. disk> label label information: print, write? pr current label information on disk: disk label version #3 disk label: SHAarchive1 disk name: omd-1 disk type: removable_rw_optical ncyls 1029 ntrack 15 nsect 16 rpm 3000 sector_size 1024 front_porch 256 back_porch 256 ngroups 154 ag_size 1600 ag_alts 16 ag_off 784 boot blocks: #1 at 80 #2 at 168 bootfile: odmach host name: localhost root partition: a part base size bsize fsize cpg density minfree newfs optim automount type a 0 243936 8192 1024 3 4096 5% yes time yes 4.3BSD - ----------------------------------------------- Sha Xin Wei Stanford University
From: haggerty@acf2.nyu.edu (haggerty) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: How useful is black hardware? Date: 18 Jun 1993 19:58:48 GMT Organization: New York University Message-ID: <1vt6po$f8u@calvin.NYU.EDU> Summary: now that NeXT is out of the hardware biz. should anyone by a NeXT box? Keywords: black hardware I certainly don't want to start a flame war, but I'm curious to hear opinions on the following question: Now that NeXT no longer makes workstations - Is it logical to buy a used NeXT machine over an intel box running NS?? The following would have to be my arguments pro and con (note:all IMHO) IMHO - the reasons for getting a NeXT station used are: -all NeXT computers are fully compatable with and designed for NS -a used NeXT machine _seems_ to be going for less (or at least the same) as an NS Intel box. -a NeXT system is faster then an Intel box running NS (I think) again, IMHO - the main reason against getting a NeXT station (or cube etc.) is: -No new software: you're stuck with whatever is out now. (I could be wrong about this - but i don't think many software makers will keep turning out software for a discontinued line of workstations) -Bruce Haggerty (haggerty@acf2.nyu.edu)
From: npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Vendor Info... Date: 18 Jun 1993 20:08:21 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <1vt7bl$b5o@cnn.sim.es.com> References: <massarik-180693062814@quad2070f.aero.org> In article 180693062814@quad2070f.aero.org, massarik@courier4.aero.org (david massarik) writes: > Could someone post phone#'s, addresses, names of vendors that > sell/specialize in selling NEXT compatible PC's? > > In particular a phone number for the Intel and Epson systems would help > out alot! > > thanks, > david Check out Alpine Computing. They'll send you a catalog of guaranteed NeXTSTEP compatible systems, with NeXTSTEP pre-loaded as an option. Contact info for their NeXT rep, Kris Magnusson, follows: 801.268.8877 (voice- work) 801.355.6351 (voice- home) 801.268.9096 (fax) kris@doberman.com (email, and unreliable according to some posts I read) yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (email, and me-thinks more reliable) Nevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Next Printer with DOS machine Message-ID: <93169.160557PCZBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> From: Willie Sanchez <PCZBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> Date: Friday, 18 Jun 1993 16:05:57 EDT Organization: City University of New York Does anyone know if it's possible to use a NeXT 600 dpi printer with a 386 DOS machine thru either the serial or parallel ports. If so, is it done straight out or is there a trick to it??
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) Subject: Re: How useful is black hardware? Message-ID: <1993Jun18.221227.11801@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSO, Stanford University References: <1vt6po$f8u@calvin.NYU.EDU> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 22:12:27 GMT haggerty writes > I certainly don't want to start a flame war, but I'm curious to > hear opinions on the following question: > Now that NeXT no longer makes workstations - Is it logical to > buy a used NeXT machine over an intel box running NS?? > > The following would have to be my arguments pro and con (note:all > IMHO) > IMHO - the reasons for getting a NeXT station used are: > -all NeXT computers are fully compatable with and designed for > NS > -a used NeXT machine _seems_ to be going for less (or at > least the same) as an NS Intel box. > -a NeXT system is faster then an Intel box running NS (I think) Intel-based boxes can be much more variable depending on what you put into them. I think that a used NeXT box should probably be cheaper for equivalent power than an Intel box. You can apparently put together Intel systems that are noticeably faster than NeXT hardware. They won't be cheap, though. > again, IMHO - the main reason against getting a NeXT station > (or cube etc.) is: > -No new software: you're stuck with whatever is out now. Given the ease of cross-compilation and fat binaries, I don't see why this should be true. If one day there's a million intel boxes running NS, vendors may stop bothering about the 50,000-odd NeXT boxes. Until that day comes, though, I expect both architectures to be supported. In the long run, of course, NeXT boxes are dead. The question is: will you have gotten your money's worth by then? Is a cheap, very cpable system with no long-term prospects better than an expensive one with better long-term prospects? -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman) Subject: Re: DAT backup vs. audio DAT In-Reply-To: opus@athena.mit.edu's message of 18 Jun 1993 18:09:02 GMT To: opus@athena.mit.edu (Dave J.) Message-ID: <CEDMAN.93Jun18180043@capitalist.princeton.edu> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Princeton University References: <1vt0bu$jnm@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 22:00:43 GMT In article <1vt0bu$jnm@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> opus@athena.mit.edu (Dave J.) writes: Does there exist a single piece of hardware which can be used both as a DAT backup device, and as an audio DAT player/recorder (it would be ok if it only did digital I/O, since I have an outboard box for the analog conversions)? I'd like to avoid duplication of hardware, if at all possible. A piece of software to read/write soundfiles from/to a DAT backup machine in the audio DAT format would probably suffice, as well. Just so that the resulting tape could be played on any normal audio DAT machine. One of the more popular DAT drives for the NeXT is the Archive 4320 NT. While this drive can not read or write audio DATs by default, SGI has written new firmware which add this ability (primarily for use with their own workstations). You can either ask for this firmware when you order the drive or buy replacement ROMs from Archive for about $120 to upgrade your old DAT drive. In either case, I'd expect that you'd be required to write a little SCSI driver to take advantage of this ability. Carl Edman
Message-ID: <{m$@byu.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 16:44:51 MDT Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pmarc@newt.ee.byu.edu (Paul Cardon) Distribution: world References: <massarik-180693062814@quad2070f.aero.org> <1vt7bl$b5o@cnn.sim.es.com> Organization: Brigham Young University ECEN Dept Subject: Re: Vendor Info... In article <1vt7bl$b5o@cnn.sim.es.com>, npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) writes: |> In article 180693062814@quad2070f.aero.org, massarik@courier4.aero.org (david massarik) writes: |> > Could someone post phone#'s, addresses, names of vendors that |> > sell/specialize in selling NEXT compatible PC's? |> > |> > In particular a phone number for the Intel and Epson systems would help |> > out alot! |> > |> > thanks, |> > david |> |> |> Check out Alpine Computing. They'll send you a catalog of guaranteed |> NeXTSTEP compatible systems, with NeXTSTEP pre-loaded as an option. |> |> Contact info for their NeXT rep, Kris Magnusson, follows: |> |> 801.268.8877 (voice- work) |> 801.355.6351 (voice- home) |> 801.268.9096 (fax) |> kris@doberman.com (email, and unreliable according to some posts I read) |> yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (email, and me-thinks more reliable) |> |> Nevin |> |> Yes. Kris will definitely treat you right. Paul Cardon ** No question is too silly to ask, but some are just too silly to answer. **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Message-ID: <C8sBFH.AHM@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <1993Jun17.131034.11242@zoonews.bnr.ca> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 21:23:41 GMT In article <1993Jun17.131034.11242@zoonews.bnr.ca> inmcoop@bnr.ca (Dennis Pejcha) writes: #Just a random thought... # #Is it possible to connect a second drive to the floppy port on the '040 #motherboards? (Not that I have the ROOM to shove another drive in my slab) #I imagine backups would go a lot faster since you could be switching disks #in one drive while writing data to the other drive. Anyone know if this is #possible? # #Like I said, just a random thought. There is a device called fd0a and fd1a so I assume it is possible but I don't know how. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gtoews@ugly.UVic.CA (Greg Toews) Subject: Multiple Errors makes slab speaker crackle?? Message-ID: <1993Jun18.235311.28549@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada References: <1993Jun17.131034.11242@zoonews.bnr.ca> <C8sBFH.AHM@infoserv.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 18 Jun 93 23:53:11 GMT I'm running NS 2.2 on my mono 25MHz slab. When I'm in the workspace manager and I press and hold the backspace key multiple error beeps are generated because that is not a valid key. This is fine but it seems that the speed at which the beeps are coming out causes the sound to break up (it sounds like interference on a radio). I've never noticed this before, and I am curious about the reason for this. Greg
From: william@pinoko.berkeley.edu (William E. Grosso) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How useful is black hardware? Date: 19 Jun 1993 01:14:43 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <1vtpa3$fln@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <1vt6po$f8u@calvin.NYU.EDU> haggerty writes > I certainly don't want to start a flame war, but I'm curious to hear > opinions on the following question: > > [munch] > > IMHO - the reasons for getting a NeXT station used are: > -a used NeXT machine _seems_ to be going for less (or at least > the same) as an NS Intel box. Much less. > -a NeXT system is faster then an Intel box running NS (I think) Apparently not. there seems to be a consensus among users that The intel version is faster. Although the % faster is in question (and irrelevant. the Intel machines are going to rapidly overwhelm black hardware). > again, IMHO - the main reason against getting a NeXT station > (or cube etc.) is: > -No new software: you're stuck with whatever is out now. > (I could be wrong about this - but i don't think many > software makers will keep turning out software for a > discontinued line of workstations) This seems unlikely. One of the main features / drawbacks of NeXTStep is the fact the programmers never have to go below the OS (and rarely should). So, porting code over to the black hardware should be quite easy. A software company than has to weigh the costs of a recompile versus projected sales to the black community. If their product is good, odd are it'll be ported :-) Bill Grosso
From: ramesh@mishna.esys.cwru.edu (Ramesh Doddamani) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Please Help! Network not working Date: 19 Jun 1993 03:06:58 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1vtvsi$6o0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Hello I am trying to connect a 486 machine(with SMC card) running NEXTSTEP to a NEXTStation. I have set up the 486 as the Netinfo server exactly following the procedure given in the Network and System Administration Manual. Also the NeXT is set up as a client machine. The problem is that the network is not being recognised. Neither the NeXT nor the 486 can sense each other. I have setup the ethernet card as specified by NeXT and it is recognised during the bootup process. I am using a coaxial(thinwire) cable to connect the machines. I am checking on the possibility that the cable could be bad(which I think is unlikely). This is an emergency and I would very much appreciate if somebody could help me. Thanks is advance. Ramesh -- ******************************************************************** Ramesh Dodamani <<REPLY TO rxd20@po.cwru.edu>> Case Western Reserve University Cleveland OHIO ********************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ken@phys.titech.ac.jp (Ken-ichiro Aoki) Subject: Re: How useful is black hardware? In-Reply-To: spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu's message of 18 Jun 93 22:12:27 GMT Message-ID: <KEN.93Jun19113914@ieyasu.phys.titech.ac.jp> Sender: news@phys.titech.ac.jp (Usenet News System) Organization: Dept. of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology References: <1vt6po$f8u@calvin.NYU.EDU> <1993Jun18.221227.11801@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 02:39:14 GMT In article <1993Jun18.221227.11801@leland.Stanford.EDU> spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (Stefano Pagiola) writes: haggerty writes > I certainly don't want to start a flame war, but I'm curious to > hear opinions on the following question: > Now that NeXT no longer makes workstations - Is it logical to > buy a used NeXT machine over an intel box running NS?? I agree with what Stefano says below, but let me emphasize a point in favor of Black Hardware which was not explicitly mentioned here. *All* black hardware is licenced for the full developer release. You can write commercial apps with it if you want. (you might have to upgrade to 3.1 but it's not that expensive.) Also, an edu machine will have a mathematica licence. In fact, I think some of the slabs are going real dirt cheap in c.s.n.marketplace. So the choice depends on what you want to do with your system. You might have DOS apps you want to run too. In the long run, it is true that there will be relatively very few black'uns running NS as compared to white ones running NS (or NS will not exist :-). You might have problems finding parts, or will have to pay a lot for service, perhaps. (eg. mono-slabs cannot use third party monitors, keyboards!! has anyone figured out how to hook up other kbd's to non-ADB systems?, or is it impossible?) ___Kenichiro Aoki > The following would have to be my arguments pro and con (note:all > IMHO) > IMHO - the reasons for getting a NeXT station used are: > -all NeXT computers are fully compatable with and designed for > NS > -a used NeXT machine _seems_ to be going for less (or at > least the same) as an NS Intel box. > -a NeXT system is faster then an Intel box running NS (I think) Intel-based boxes can be much more variable depending on what you put into them. I think that a used NeXT box should probably be cheaper for equivalent power than an Intel box. You can apparently put together Intel systems that are noticeably faster than NeXT hardware. They won't be cheap, though. > again, IMHO - the main reason against getting a NeXT station > (or cube etc.) is: > -No new software: you're stuck with whatever is out now. Given the ease of cross-compilation and fat binaries, I don't see why this should be true. If one day there's a million intel boxes running NS, vendors may stop bothering about the 50,000-odd NeXT boxes. Until that day comes, though, I expect both architectures to be supported. In the long run, of course, NeXT boxes are dead. The question is: will you have gotten your money's worth by then? Is a cheap, very cpable system with no long-term prospects better than an expensive one with better long-term prospects? -- - Stefano Pagiola Food Research Institute, Stanford University spagiola@frinext.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) spagiola@FRI-nxt-Pagiola.stanford.edu (NeXTMail encouraged) -- Kenichiro Aoki (ken@phys,titech.ac.jp), Department of Physics, Tokyo Institute of Technology, Oh-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo, JAPAN $@@DLZ7r0lO:!$El5~9)6HBg3XM}3XItJ*M}3X2J!$El5~ETL\9u6hBg2,;3(J
Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.nextstep,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Vendors selling NS/I preinstalled Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park/Orlando, FL Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 03:08:32 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun19.030832.21307@bilver.uucp> Keywords: Next step/Intel, pre0installed, vendors References: <msodhi.740335484@uclagsm> <C8ttG8.FCs@acsu.buffalo.edu> In article <C8ttG8.FCs@acsu.buffalo.edu> dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu (Doug Boyce) writes: >In article <msodhi.740335484@uclagsm> msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu (Mohan Sodhi) writes: >>In response to my post asking for a list of computer systems (486) >>vendors who sell NeXTStep pre-installed, I got ZERO responses. >Advance 2000 in Buffalo is selling Intel systems bundled with NEXTSTEP for >regular customers and specific options in bundling for eductional >customers. Add to the list Dell computers. They will ship NeXTStep pre-installed also. And I believe the time frame for Hewlett-Packard to ship NeXTStep pre-installed is in the next 30-60 days, from what I heard at HP yesterday. Not an official announcement - more of a grapevine thing. -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org
From: robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Robert Delucca) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Hard disk spin down problem Date: 19 Jun 1993 00:43:34 -0400 Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Message-ID: <1vu5hmINNd4o@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> The Seagate 250mb internal drive in my Color Turbo has begun to just spin down and die about once a day. I checked the cabling inside the slab and it seems ok. The slab is brand new, never used before I got hold of it. I have 32mb of RAM so there isn't a whole lot of swapping. It is strange in that I'm happily typing away when the disk audibly just stops spinning. Then I can't even log out to reboot, or get into the monitor. I have to power off the bad way and then restart the machine. Often in the ROM monitor I get "scint program error" but I'm not a hardware expert. Can this be a sw problem? Or it is solely hw? Should I reformat the disk, now that I have the 3.1 cd-rom? Thanks Robert de Lucca email robinc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: NS/FIP- which motherboards? Message-ID: <1993Jun18.230024.2429@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <C8syC7.M6v@utstat.toronto.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 23:00:24 GMT In article <C8syC7.M6v@utstat.toronto.edu> philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough) writes: [munch, munch, stuff about hardware] > Total for a 33MHz 20+meg clone = $1600 (add $200 for ATI, $300 or so if one > wants a 486DX 66/2 with a cpu). Total (max)= $2100+monitor+HD. ^^^^ Ehh, Just a thought: Gateway has a 486/66 w/16 megs for 2995$. Ask them to take the 340Megs EDI HD, 15" screen, CD-Rom out of the deal, and you get a VL-Bus machine with an ATI in it. Probably end costing you less than 2100$ (dropping the above-mentionned stuff should give you the 900$ you need), too! Plus, it's on the compatibility list, and therefore _compatible_ (except for keaboards, of course, but that's another story. See recent thread in this group 8^)> ). Ciao > The question simply is which motherboards!? > > Thank's, > > > > -- > Philip McDunnough > University of Toronto > philip@utstat.toronto.edu > [Where sheep may safely graze...] BTW I do not work for Gateway. I just read their ads in magazines. The above comments should apply to other "third-tier" vendors. Check it out. -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL!!! FRENCHIE ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Si la classe ouvriere ne nous satisfait plus, nous la destituerons< > et en elirons une autre" B. Brecht (ne parlant pas d'informatique)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Andy.Hewett@informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Andy Hewett) Subject: SUMMARY: Jaws + NEC 5fg = fuzzy Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 11:35:51 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun19.113551.5743@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> References: <1993Jun18.091152.15478@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Sender: news@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE Many thanks to all those who responded to my query. Several people asked me to summarize any responses, so here goes: I asked: > Is anyone else experiencing problems with a Dell DGX (Jaws > graphics), NFIP and a NEC 5fg monitor? The monitor picture is unsharp > and very straining on the eyes. We have not succeeded in adjusting the > monitor to remove this effect. Booting under Windows3.1 and using > the various Jaws drivers produces a crystal clear picture, so > obviously the monitor and the Jaws graphics board are ok. > > We are currently running PR1, and are waiting for 3.1. Is the > situation any better with the public NFIP release? Does anyone know > of a solution to these problems, or are we just going to have to throw > the NEC 5FG monitor away and try some other random monitor? > SUMMARY of SUMMARY: The Jaws/NEC 5FG combination works reasonably well with the Gold 3.1 NFIP release. However, picture quality is not as good as it can be and if buying now, you might want to consider spending some extra money to obtain the NEC 6FG instead of a 5FG. See also NeXTAnswers document #1154, 1154_Dell_DGX.rtfd (summarized below). SUMMARY Details: Several responders indicated that the fuzziness effect that we are experiencing is partly a Pre-Release problem, which is much better in the Gold 3.1 release (excerpts from a few responses): mclark@wma.com (Mike Clark) > We have the Dell DBX with Jaws. We had the same problem, Gold 3.1 fixed > the problem. ted@insight.com (Ted Slupesky) > Yes, the JAWS driver in PR1 is just plain buggy; I had a few go-rounds > with NeXT on this one. It's much, much better in the commercial > release! It's sharper, the colors are richer, and the black borders > are really black. mdadgar@WMA.COM (Mark Dadgar) > It's better under 3.1 than under the PR - but it's still not as good as > it should be. Mike_Perka@NeXT.COM (Mike Perka) > The release version of 3.1 will be easier on your eyes -- several > changes were made after PR1 to correct the problems you noted. Joost Backus <mushex!autom1@relay.nluug.nl> > I installed NS final release on Dell. The picture looks better on the > brandnew NEC-5FG we got but for 2 days now but still it does not have > as high a quality as the Black NeXT monitor I am using right now on my > NeXTslab. (You can use the NeXT monitor on the DGX for comparison to > the 5 FG you are running now) > Several responders also sent me a copy of NeXTAnswers document #1154, 1154_Dell_DGX.rtfd, in which you can read: "The Ultrascan monitor shipped with the Dell DG/X and the NEC 5FG both reportedly have some difficulty displaying 1120 x 832 video correctly. This can result in fuzziness and faded colors. The NEC 6FG does not apparently suffer from this problem". -------------- Once again, thanks to all who sent me mail, even if I have not quoted you or mentioned your name above. Andy Hewett --- Dr. Andrew Hewett Andy.Hewett@Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE FB-10 Informatik, Carl von Ossietzky Universitaet Oldenburg, Tel: +49 441 9706210 Postfach 2503, D-W2900 Oldenburg, Germany. Fax: +49 441 7982155
From: marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How useful is black hardware? Date: 19 Jun 1993 13:26:24 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <1vv460$25q@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1vt6po$f8u@calvin.NYU.EDU> <1993Jun18.221227.11801@leland.Stanford.EDU> <KEN.93Jun19113914@ieyasu.phys.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ken@phys.titech.ac.jp (Ken-ichiro Aoki) writes: >*All* black hardware is licenced for the full developer release. >You can write commercial apps with it if you want. >(you might have to upgrade to 3.1 but it's not that expensive.) It also comes with the original Adobe printing license. Depending on what printer you hook up, this can be worth more than the machine. Marcel
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kwang@data.acs.calpoly.edu (Kevin John Wang) Subject: Re: Help! Dim monitor problems... Message-ID: <1993Jun18.012704.122207@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo References: <1vb218$skr@bilbo.suite.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 01:27:04 GMT In article <1vb218$skr@bilbo.suite.com> Mark-Tarbell@suite.com writes: > As the tube ages, the cathode gets weaker - and if the cutoff cannot > be sufficiently adjusted via the user "brightness" control, the tube > gets dim and will need to have the bias tweaked. What about those monitors that fail fairly early on in life, but stay at a constant "dim" level w/o any more fading? A friend of mine has a theory that one of the ($20) video amp chips is being overheated and dies an early death. Does anyone know about this? - kevin Wang
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: scwg0600@ih-nxt01.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven C Weintz) Subject: Wanted: informed comments on NeXTDimensions Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 00:45:00 GMT Message-ID: <C8wA31.n14@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana I'd like to hear from people who own and use (or have owned and used) the NeXTDimension cubes for serious graphic work. I want to use maximum graphics software and hardware for archaeological illustration and presentation, and I love NeXTSTEP. Caveats and applause are both welcomed. On the downside, I'm aware of the C-Cube controversy but I'd like to know of any other little hiccups and shortcomings. On the upside, I understand that it will be some time before Intel-based hardware can measure up to the ND's performance. If you're selling your ND, what sort of systems are you considering (or have purchased) as a replacement/upgrade? If you're hanging on to one, what is your rationale? Would I blow as much if not more cash on a fully pumped Intel box as on a used ND? Please e-mail your comments to me, and, if there's enough general interest, I'll post a summary. Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) Subject: SUMMARY: Advice on hardware configs for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun20.021050.19571@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 02:10:50 GMT A couple weeks ago I posted asking netters to mail in with NS/FIP hardware configurations that they were happy with. Below is a summary of what I got. Thanks to all who responded. If anybody has any comments, corrections, or more information on more hardware, I'd be very interested in hearing it. If I get any more info, I will repost a larger summary. In particular, I'm interested in collecting more pricing information. David bau@cs.cornell.edu --- ricardo@pencom.com recommends a VL bus system and advises calling 1-800-TRY-NEXT for more info. He is developing drivers for high resolution graphics cards (1280x1024) and asks that nextstep customers who what high resolution make their demand felt by contacting the manufacterers of the cards. --- m@BlueRose.com strongly recommends buying a system with NS/FIP pre-installed. --- rn.1035@rose.com suggests going with an EISA bus system. He says the jury is still out on Local Bus systems, and that EISA bus systems can get similar video performance. --- heslinggm@ssd0.laafb.af.mil is not running nextstep, but he has a friend at next that suggested: Dell 450 DE/2 DGX (Base system with DGX graphics) 32 MB RAM 650 MB SCSI disk (Adaptec 1542B controller) 16 bit Ethernet Combo networking card NEC 6FG (21") Dell System Mouse Sony SCSI CD-ROM estimated cost: $6000. --- bau@sutro.sfsu.edu is selling edu discount nextstep and is running it on: 486/66 EISA Localbus (brand unspecified, maybe Insight?) RAM unspecified 600 MB SCSI drive (Adaptec controller) ATI Ultra Pro w/ 2MB NeXT (Apple CD 150) CD-ROM drive NEC 5FG (16") Logitec Bus Mouse he didn't estimate the cost of the system. --- anderson@Biztech.COM is running NS/FIP on: Gateway 2000 4DX2/66V 16 MB RAM 420 MB IDE HD ATI Ultra Pro Mach-32 VESA (probably 2MB) Nanao 17" Color Monitor Logitech Bus Mouse estimated cost: $3800 he says his system runs perfectly and tells me that NEC is working on a driver to bring the screen resolution up from 1024x768 to 1120x832. can anybody verify this? --- pkron@corona.com bought the following system for NS/FIP: Dell 450/L 28 MB RAM 128K L2 Cache 230 MB HD (included with the base system) 680 MB SCSI HD (Adaptec 1542 controller) Unspecified video controller with 1MB vram estimated cost: $5500 he is very happy with the system - no problems running NS/FIP. He gets 1024x758 grayscale and only 800x600 color. Reports that video is slightly slower than a color Turbo NextStation. he later added a ProAudo Studio sound card which he has not been able got get to make more than one second of sound at a time, and which whines due to interference with the monitor. he also added a NEC multispin CD ROM, which he has working for data but not audio yet. he mentioned that the Gateway system looks like a good deal, and mentioned that the CD ROM that comes with it can't be used with nexstep. Can anybody verify this fact? --- harit@kripalu.com is about to buy a Royal for use with NS/FIP. he recommended avoiding Gateway and Lucky Goldstar because he says they have trouble with more than 16MB RAM. he believes the Micronics motherboard does not work with nextstep. --- dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu recommends his company's NS/FIP system. the company can be reached at Advance 2000, Inc. 8650 Main St. Buffalo, NY 14221 716 631 5602 FAX 716 631 0569 he will bundle nexstep for ordinary buyers. for edu buyers who must buy the software from their school, he can preload the system given some kind of proof of purchase --- David bau@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware.comp.sys.next.marketplace From: bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) Subject: Hardware Prices, Prices. (and Gateway info) Message-ID: <1993Jun20.023316.20210@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 02:33:16 GMT I'm about to purchase hardware to run NS/FIP, and I'm collecting pricing information. Does anybody have any advice about finding a solid hardware platform suitable for developing on NS/FIP that is a good deal? The Gateway 66/V in particular looks like a good deal, so I called Gateway today to get pricing information. It looks like a solid Nexstep system can be had for around $4000 (without nexstep). If anybody mails me with other good nexstep hardware prices, I will post a summary. ------ Gateway Nextstep Developer w/ Color System: Gateway 66/V base system includes 16MB ram, 340MB HD, ATI Ultra Pro (VESA) w/ 1MB, Phillips CM205 CD ROM drive Crystalscan 1472 Monitor and free software that i won't use. base price ----------> $2995 Recommended upgrades for Nextstep color/developer: Remove 8MB ram at $35/MB -280 (removing 2 4MB simms) Add 16MB ram at $45/MB 720 (adding 1 16MB simm) (total 24MB RAM) Upgrade to 2MB on the video card 90 Upgrade to 424MB Western Digital IDE HD 60 Substitute Sony multisession CD no charge ------ Basic nextstep color/developer system 3585 Other upgrades: Substitute Seagate 500MB HD (includes the Ultrastor 34 (VESA) -60 Fast SCSI controller) +560 Upgrade to Nanao 550i 17" monitor 795 Tower case upgrade 100 Gateway 14.4K internal modem 195 ------ Total price (before tax+shipping) 5175 ------ I'm trying to find out if the Ultrastor SCSI card is supported by Nextstep. It sits on the VESA bus and it is a real performer, doubling transfer rates according to one recent review. I have also heard that the CD ROM drive in the Gateway cannot be used to install Nextstep. I would like to also find out if this is true. David bau@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) Subject: PRICES, PRICES, PRICES for NS/FIP hardware (and Gateway info) Message-ID: <1993Jun20.024435.20513@cs.cornell.edu> Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 02:44:35 GMT I'm about to purchase hardware to run NS/FIP, and I'm collecting pricing information. Does anybody have any advice about finding a solid hardware platform suitable for developing on NS/FIP that is a good deal? The Gateway 66/V in particular looks like a good deal, so I called Gateway today to get pricing information. It looks like a solid Nexstep system can be had for around $4000 (without nexstep). If anybody mails me with other good nexstep hardware prices, I will post a summary. ------ Gateway Nextstep Developer w/ Color System: Gateway 66/V base system includes 16MB ram, 340MB HD, ATI Ultra Pro (VESA) w/ 1MB, Phillips CM205 CD ROM drive Crystalscan 1472 Monitor and free software that i won't use. base price ----------> $2995 Recommended upgrades for Nextstep color/developer: Remove 8MB ram at $35/MB -280 (removing 2 4MB simms) Add 16MB ram at $45/MB 720 (adding 1 16MB simm) (total 24MB RAM) Upgrade to 2MB on the video card 90 Upgrade to 424MB Western Digital IDE HD 60 Substitute Sony multisession CD no charge ------ Basic nextstep color/developer system 3585 Other upgrades: Substitute Seagate 500MB HD (includes the Ultrastor 34 (VESA) -60 Fast SCSI controller) +560 Upgrade to Nanao 550i 17" monitor 795 Tower case upgrade 100 Gateway 14.4K internal modem 195 ------ Total price (before tax+shipping) 5175 ------ I'm trying to find out if the Ultrastor SCSI card is supported by Nextstep. It sits on the VESA bus and it is a real performer, doubling transfer rates according to one recent review. I have also heard that the CD ROM drive in the Gateway cannot be used to install Nextstep. I would like to also find out if this is true. David bau@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware.comp.sys.next.marketplace From: samurai@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) Subject: Re: Hardware Prices, Prices. (and Gateway info) Message-ID: <201q8g$k9h@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> Sender: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada References: <1993Jun20.023316.20210@cs.cornell.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1993 13:55:28 GMT In article <1993Jun20.023316.20210@cs.cornell.edu> bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) writes: >I'm about to purchase hardware to run NS/FIP, and I'm collecting >pricing information. Does anybody have any advice about finding >a solid hardware platform suitable for developing on NS/FIP that >is a good deal? Apparently you can get the following PC from Futuretron in Toronto: 66 MHz Intel Motherboard LocalBus ATI graphics card 400 Meg Quantum SCSI disk SCSI 1/2 card (not sure which vendor) 3com ethernet card 16 Megs RAM 1.44 Meg floppy drive Tower case 15 inch :-( monitor For $4600 Canadian after tax. You can also add one of three CD-ROM drives for 600-800 extra. Oh yeah, the case and monitor are black, as they should be :-). After all, it's a great price for a PC with that configuration, the only thing that's not great is the size of the monitor, but that can be switched for a 17 inch one, so I'm told. - db -- <Here we are! Here we are! Here we are!> Stipe <I don't know.> Steve <It's never really happy for me.> Housemartins <Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.> and I <A nod's as good as a wink wink to a blind man> Idle <Must be a bug in the AppKit.> Ivo + Paul
From: bailey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (- -) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NEC DTR flow control prob @ > 9600 baud Date: 20 Jun 1993 15:02:58 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Distribution: world Message-ID: <201u72$f3q@news.acns.nwu.edu> Summary: printer prob. Strange things are afoot... Printer: NEC Silentwriter95f This is what /usr/lib/transcript/ehandler.ps gave me. baud flw printed comments error offending command ---- --- -------- -------- ----- ----------------- @ 38.4 DTR testpage no way ioerror --nostringval-- @ 19.2 DTR testpage no way ioerror --nostringval-- @ 9600 DTR testpage yep none @ 9600 DTR wxmap pt. pg + error limitcheck none ioerror readhexstring The wxmap is a complex weather graphic. My best guess is a compression or cable problem. Thanks, Bill -- "Beaten paths are for beaten men." bailey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: How useful is black hardware? Message-ID: <C8xDLJ.4DC@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: 20 Jun 93 14:58:30 GMT References: <1993Jun18.221227.11801@leland.Stanford.EDU>> <KEN.93Jun19113914@ieyasu.phys.titech.ac.jp> <1vv460$25q@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology In article <1vv460$25q@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> marcel@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marcel Weiher) writes: >ken@phys.titech.ac.jp (Ken-ichiro Aoki) writes: > >>*All* black hardware is licenced for the full developer release. >>You can write commercial apps with it if you want. >>(you might have to upgrade to 3.1 but it's not that expensive.) > >It also comes with the original Adobe printing license. Depending >on what printer you hook up, this can be worth more than the >machine. > It also comes with a 56000 that is supported by the Music Kit. For those of us who like to make music, this is an additional feature. One which will cost real dollars to replace on an Intel system, and for which there is still no agreed upon standard in the Intel world. Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
From: craigf@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Craig Federighi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Date: 20 Jun 1993 17:25:56 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Message-ID: <2026j4$1nq@agate.berkeley.edu> I tried installing both a TEAC FD-235J 2.88 MB floppy drive in my old '040 NeXT Cube and ran into some trouble. Apparrently one must be extremely careful to get the cable to the floppy drive put on in the right direction. When I put mine on the wrong way and then hit the power on switch on my keyboard, I heard some funny clicking on the drive followed by a little bit of smoke, and my computer didn't power up. When I reversed the direction of the cable, the NeXT started up and recognized the drive, but the came up with a "fd: DISK UNINITIALIZED" message in the monitor window during start up, and failed to work there after. I assume that the initial smoke exhalation experience is the cause of its failure. QUESTIONS FOR THE KNOWING: - What EXACT model number drive will work in the NeXT? - I couldn't kind any "keyed" drive cables; How can I tell the right way to put the cable in? - Are the newer cube front face plates (with a floppy slot) available so I can mount my drive internally? Please mail me in addition to posting. Thanks!! - Craig Federighi craigf@cs.berkeley.edu
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Re: URGENT: Monitor is waving. What gives? Message-ID: <1993Jun20.170854.322@imani.cam.org> Date: 20 Jun 93 17:08:54 GMT References: <1993Jun7.045849.2576@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <1993Jun7.045849.2576@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > Hi > > [Sorry for cross-posting, but I'm panicking a bit here!] > > As the subject line says, my B/W monitor is waving i.e. vertical waves are going > around, at about 2 mm intervals, for a few seconds, and then going away. > > It's been getting worse. What next? > > My system is a monochrome Cube that is runnning 24hrs for UUCp, but gets > relatively little use these days. It's an old '030 system, so it's the old > monitor. > > Thanks for _any_ help or pointers. > > Ciao > > -- > Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >"You _CAN_ petition the Lord with prayer!"(reaction to the HP port)< Well, the results are in, and I seem to have done something stupid. Most answers concentrated on three aspects: electrical interferences from the outside (I've been using it here, with the same set-up, for 6 months, so wasn't that); Bad monitor (the "Oh no! What do I do now? *&%$#" answer); and power supply problems, wich would influence the monitor. I was getting ready to change the power supply, when my Cube crashed while rebooting. It would give me some error message I'd never seen, and just freeze. Planning on trying to boot from the optical, I took the disk that was in the slot out, only to notice that it was burning. Coincidence? I didn't think so either... Ends up my machine was heating up _a lot_. That seems to have been the cause of the monitor problems, and of crashes I'd been having for the last while. After correcting the situation (No, I won't say what I'd done in the first place to get it to overheat. It was _REALLY_ stupid! Not something I'd share with anybody. Understood, Rob?), everything went back to normal. My guess is that with summer kicking in, the temperature in my Cube just passed the tolerable level. So, that's it. Not much excitment, not much drama. Thanks to all who tried to help, but you coulnd't have known. You did, however, point me in the right direction. Ciao Nicolas Dore -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL!!! FRENCHIE ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Si la classe ouvriere ne nous satisfait plus, nous la destituerons< > et en elirons une autre" B. Brecht (ne parlant pas d'informatique)<
From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: '30 Cube info needed Date: 20 Jun 1993 22:52:17 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: world Message-ID: <202pn1$jqj@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> I just bought an '030 cube. Can anyone tell me what type of Simms this sucker takes? What about maximum ram? Since its an '030 I would assume it only takes 16 megs max, unless it does some sort of paging. In any case, any information you can email to me would be much appreciated. -- :::Apple II forever!!:::GO BUCKS!:::Play Lacrosse!!:::Raging Bullwinkle!::: : Shane M . Zatezalo - CIS OSU: i-net> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu : : root@tap.colum.fnet.org : NeXTMail> shane@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu : :GS::: call T.A.P. a Futurenet BBS 614-297-7031 16.8k DS HST 670 MEGS ::GS:
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive as a boot device? Message-ID: <88100@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 20 Jun 93 19:14:40 GMT References: <1vqe1c$hp7@tamsun.tamu.edu> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <1vqe1c$hp7@tamsun.tamu.edu> Hoseong La, h0l847a@tamsun.tamu.edu writes: >I wonder if one can use a CD-ROM drive as a boot device. It seems to me >that the system should confuse the CD-ROM drive as external HDD. >Does this make sense or just sound silly? >Anyone out there ever tried? It is possible to boot from the CD-ROM drive and this procedure is detailed in the "Upgrading to NeXTSTEP Release 3" manual which came with the 3.0 system. Basically you set the CD-ROM to SCSI device ID 0 (the internal drive is set to ID 1 already... at least it should be) turn it on and insert the 3.0 disk (I assume this will work with the 3.1 disk too) and power up the machine. It will boot from the CD-ROM and you will be presented with the option to upgrade or build one of your other disks with the new system software. If you boot from the internal drive, insert the disk and exit to the ROM monitor, you can enter the command "b sd0a" to boot the CD-ROM and get the same procedure as before but a bit more verbose. Also, you can enter "b sd0a -s" to boot the CD-ROM in single user mode (but of course it will be read only). This is how I rebuilt my internal drive from scratch when I upgraded to Release 3. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CD-ROM Apple CD300 (was recmds needed) Message-ID: <88101@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 20 Jun 93 19:46:41 GMT References: <1993Jun17.043520.2254@cx5.com> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <1993Jun17.043520.2254@cx5.com> , tlc@cx5.com writes: >Do you really need Quicktime for the multi-session PhotoCD? I'm thinking you >don't, but definitely want this capability so I'm asking. > >Someone posted that this Apple drive will work with both NeXTs and Intel PCs. >Is that correct? > >Regarding CD digital audio via SCSI bus: Does this mean that one can record to >the computer's hard disk a CD audio disk? Very interesing. I bought an AppleCD300 for my NeXTcube (running 3.0) and it works beautifully. File access is quick and CDPlayer.app works like a charm. I also have a PD program called pCD which I got off the JANA CD-ROM NeWS disk and it also works like a charm... I was surprised at how good the images on the demo PhotoCD look in grey. As for MultiSession PCDs, I assume they will work fine but I don't have one to test here. My only concern is that after playing an audio CD I believe the drive switched to the slower rotational speed and I don't have a way to switch it back (I doubt it is automatic and the docs don't mention it). I will have to borrow a Mac to set the speed with the supplied software and just stay away from audio CDs until someone writes a tool for NS to do the switching. About digital audio... under QuickTIme 1.6 audio tracks from an audio CD could be dumped via SCSI into QuickTime aware apps and converted to QT movie tracks. I am sure such a tool will soon be available for NeXT (minus the quicktime bits, I am sure). It would be nice to open a CD track and save it (or a part of it) as an IFF file. ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
From: sdedrick@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Scott Dedrick) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Novice questions about NeXTs Message-ID: <132345@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: 20 Jun 93 23:16:21 GMT Sender: news@netnews.upenn.edu Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Greetings, 1) Can I and how would I hook up dumb terminals to a Cube to access Unix (say the C shell)? We have software running under BSD Unix (on a Unix box) and it would be great to have one or more dumb terminals be able to access it via a NeXT Cube. Any problem here? 2) How does the NeXT handle fonts? Any problem to use foreign language fonts in either Adobe 1/3 or TreueType formats? 3) Can non-NeXT ADB keyboards be used with the NeXT? (I assume not, but I have a Cryllic Apple keyboard that makes life easy). 4) If everyone says "NeXT" should be spelled "NeXT," then why are all the directories named "NextLibrary" or "NextApps" etc?? Many, many thanks from a Next enthusiast who has only had time on a NeXT once and am hoping to acquire one. "The NeXT Bible" for NS 0.9 is getting old. Todd Breslow sdedrick@mail.sas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: msodhi@agsm.ucla.edu (Mohan Sodhi) Subject: Re: Vendor Info... Message-ID: <msodhi.740623645@uclagsm> References: <massarik-180693062814@quad2070f.aero.org> <1vt7bl$b5o@cnn.sim.es.com> <{m$@byu.edu> Date: 20 Jun 93 17:49:28 PDT I had earlier posted a list of vendors selling Intel-based systems with NS/I preinstalled. The list had only one name -- Epson on it. Since then, I received requests to add more names, and re-post the list. Some of the information was gleaned off the followups to my original posts (w/o permission!). Here is a summary in alphabetical order: Note: [NeXT-World June-July '93 issue has an article about six vendors and the configurations they sell/promise to sell. These vendors are: 1. Compaq 2. Data General 3. Dell 4. Epson 5. NEC 6. Siemens-Nixdorf with prices ranging from $2,500 to $14,000. The summary below mentions Epson only.] ----------------------ALPINE COMPUTING------------------------------ Check out Alpine Computing, in Salt Lake City, Utah. They'll email you their prices for a wide range of NS pre-installed systems, including the Epson. Contact info is: 801.268.8877 (voice- work) 801.355.6351 (voice- home) 801.268.9096 (fax) kris@doberman.com (email, and somewhat unreliable according to some posts I read) yf5990@u.cc.utah.edu (email, and me-thinks more reliable) -------------------------BUFFALO-------------------------------------- Advance 2000 in Buffalo is selling Intel systems bundled with NEXTSTEP for regular customers and specific options in bundling for eductional customers. Email or call 716-631-5602(voice) 631-0569(fax) to receive a price sheet or quote. Doug PS: I do work for them. -- Doug Boyce dwboyce@acsu.buffalo.edu --------------------------EPSON-------------------------------------- =>will be selling "Progression NX" model at the end of this month (June) =>that is "optimized" for NeXTStep and has NS pre-installed. Here are the =>specs: => 36M RAM (max 68M) => 2M video RAM => 525M Hard disk => 6 ISA slots => multimedia sound card, ethernet card =>According to a salesperson I talked to, the price is tentatively $3,754. =>NeXTStep will be preinstalled, and edu. discounts will apply. =>You can call Epson at (800)922-8911 (select option 2). The computer Followup to above post: ---------------------- I just called this number, and was told that the only way any edu. discounts applied was through re-sellers. Do you know of any who will sell the above machine at this price? The Epson direct price was $5349 w/o monitor. 17" monitor was $905. 20" $2261. >Check out Alpine Computing, in Salt Lake City, Utah. >They'll email you their prices for a wide range of NS pre-installed >systems, including the Epson. Contact info is: [See above]. ---------------EXACT SYSTEMS------------------------------------ From: stanh@hal.com (Stanley Henderson (Contractor)) This configuration can run multiple O.S.'s, but is designed to be a high end graphics workstation. System Configuration: Full Sized Tower w/ 8 bays w/ 250W Power Supply 486DX250 Motherboard w/256KB cache w/ 2 VESA local bus slots w/ 5 ISA slots 32MB of 60ns RAM Adaptec 1542C SCSI board I/O board w/ 4 serial 16550 ports w/ 1 parallel port w/ keyboard and mouse ATI Graphics Ultra Pro 68800 VESA Local Bus w/ 2MB of video ram supports 1280 x 1024 non-interlaced 256 colors ViewSonic 17 Monitor 1.2 GB Toshiba SCSI disk drive Toshiba SCSI CDROM TEAC 5.25 and 3.5 Floppy Disk Drives Total price for the system is $5,950. Contact: Stan Henderson Exact Systems Corporation 7205 Valburn Crive Austin, Texas 78731 (512) 794 - 9567 FAX (512) 345 - 2879 Note that this is a complete system that has been configured, installed, and burned in for 48 hours with a 1 yr. warranty. ------------------------- ADDENDUM ------------------------------- Add to the list Dell computers. They will ship NeXTStep pre-installed also. And I believe the time frame for Hewlett-Packard to ship NeXTStep pre-installed is in the next 30-60 days, from what I heard at HP yesterday. Not an official announcement - more of a grapevine thing. -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: PRICES, PRICES, PRICES for NS/FIP hardware (and Gateway info) Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Orlando / Winter Park, FL Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 01:33:19 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jun21.013319.23028@bilver.uucp> References: <1993Jun20.024435.20513@cs.cornell.edu> In article <1993Jun20.024435.20513@cs.cornell.edu> bau@cs.cornell.edu (David Bau) writes: >I'm about to purchase hardware to run NS/FIP, and I'm collecting >pricing information. Does anybody have any advice about finding >a solid hardware platform suitable for developing on NS/FIP that >is a good deal? > >The Gateway 66/V in particular looks like a good deal, so I called >Gateway today to get pricing information. It looks like a solid >Nexstep system can be had for around $4000 (without nexstep). > >If anybody mails me with other good nexstep hardware prices, I >will post a summary. > >------ >Gateway Nextstep Developer w/ Color System: > >Gateway 66/V base system >includes 16MB ram, 340MB HD, *** This means it comes with 16 MB ?? >ATI Ultra Pro (VESA) w/ 1MB, >Recommended upgrades for Nextstep >color/developer: >Remove 8MB ram at $35/MB -280 (removing 2 4MB simms) >Add 16MB ram at $45/MB 720 (adding 1 16MB simm) >(total 24MB RAM) Double check to make SURE you can do this. Many motherboards require SIMMs to be installed in pairs. And some won't let you mix sizes. e.i. If using a 16 MB SIMM you might need to add TWO. If this is true then you need to add another $460 and go to 32 MB. (That's subrtracting the 8MB ram and adding another 16MB). -- Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.uucp OR bill@bilver.oau.org
From: kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de (Kay Schulz K8/IVA Tel. ++49-7121-35-1341) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Looking for turbo COlour Station Message-ID: <54@boschrt.rt.bosch.de.bosch.de> Date: 21 Jun 93 05:26:02 GMT Sender: news@rt.bosch.de.bosch.de Organization: Robert Bosch GmbH., Reutlingen, Germany. Hi Ich suche eine Turbo Colour Next Station. I am looking for a turbo colour NeXT Station. Preise und Ausstattung per email an mich Price4s and equipment via email. /***************************************************************************/ /* Kay Schulz, Rheinstr. 24, 72768 Reutlingen, Germany */ /* 07121 / 601961 privat */ /* 07121 / 35 1341 geschaeftlich */ /*kschulz@iva.k8.rt.bosch.de WORKING Address */ /*nagasena!kay@gold.t-informatik.ba-stuttgart.de My home computer */ /*kschulz@gold.t-informatik.ba-stuttgart.de Let me handle the address*/ /***************************************************************************/
Organization: Central Michigan University Date: Sunday, 20 Jun 1993 20:42:13 EDT From: John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Message-ID: <93171.20421334II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT 256MB Floptical on White hardware? Does anyone know if NeXT's 256MB Floptical drive can be used on white hardware? Specifically, I want to take the Floptical drive from an '030 NeXT-Cube and us it with an Adaptec 1542B SCSI card (preferably under NeXTSTEP/FIP, but I'd settle with being able to dump stuff to it from DOS if possible...) Thanks! - John...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace From: duane@shell.portal.com (Duane Takamine) Subject: Re: PRICES, PRICES, PRICES for NS/FIP hardware (and Gateway info) Message-ID: <C8yo07.8Jt@unix.portal.com> Sender: news@unix.portal.com Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) References: <1993Jun20.024435.20513@cs.cornell.edu> <1993Jun21.013319.23028@bilver.uucp> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 07:40:54 GMT In article <1993Jun21.013319.23028@bilver.uucp> bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes: >>Remove 8MB ram at $35/MB -280 (removing 2 4MB simms) >>Add 16MB ram at $45/MB 720 (adding 1 16MB simm) >>(total 24MB RAM) > >Double check to make SURE you can do this. Many motherboards >require SIMMs to be installed in pairs. And some won't let >you mix sizes. > >e.i. If using a 16 MB SIMM you might need to add TWO. If this >is true then you need to add another $460 and go to 32 MB. The Gateway 66V lets you mix and match SIMMs, according to the manual and their tech support. The only restriction is a minor on on 16M SIMMs; you can have no more than 2 9pin 16's at a time, the rest, if they are 16's also, must be 36 pin. According the the manual, the 36 pin SIMs are supposed to be more expensive, but I haven't priced them to confirm this. Duane -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Duane Takamine duane@shell.portal.com Island CD Creations Madd Hacker Productions Home of the Sound Site CDROM - nearly 1400 mods on disc
From: thor@cs.tu-berlin.de (Thorsten Albrecht) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin,de.comp.sys.next Subject: Re: Printing with HP ink Date: 21 Jun 1993 07:43:57 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <203ort$ehq@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <1tvfg5$k78@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> <1993May26.125431.19291@rchland.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Keywords: HP-Deskjet, Printing Driver and 2.0 tpg@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Terry Gliedt) writes: >In article <1tvfg5$k78@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, gonzo@cs.tu-berlin.de (S. F. Ruehauf) writes: >|> is there a driver for a HP DeskJet Printer available in the PD? >|> Somebody want to give me one of these for nil and I just would >|> like to know, how much work it is to use it with my NeXT. >|> >|> does it work with 2.0?? >There are a couple of options for using a DJ. There is a commercial package >called Dots that isn't particularly expensive. There is also software at orst >and sonata to provide support for the DJ. >I do not believe the serial support in 2.0 is good enough for anything. In order >to use the DJ, you will need to upgrade to 2.1 at least. I tried to print with 040 + 2.0 + HP 500 + custom made cable + dj-filter and my serial port (and the rest) worked fine :-) ! Greetings, Thorsten
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: CD-ROM Apple CD300 (was recmds needed) Message-ID: <1993Jun21.052228.1282@imani.cam.org> Date: 21 Jun 93 05:22:28 GMT References: <88101@ut-emx.uucp> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <88101@ut-emx.uucp> mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) writes: > In article <1993Jun17.043520.2254@cx5.com> , tlc@cx5.com writes: > > > I bought an AppleCD300 for my NeXTcube (running 3.0) and it works beautifully. > File access is quick and CDPlayer.app works like a charm. I also have a PD > program called pCD which I got off the JANA CD-ROM NeWS disk and it also works > like a charm... I was surprised at how good the images on the demo PhotoCD > look in grey. As for MultiSession PCDs, I assume they will work fine but I > don't have one to test here. My only concern is that after playing an audio CD > I believe the drive switched to the slower rotational speed and I don't have a > way to switch it back (I doubt it is automatic and the docs don't mention it). ^^^^^^^^^ I believe it is. It may even switch while reading diffrenet files on the same disk. Not sure 'bout that. At least, it should switch to double with non-audio disks, since it can recognize them. > I will have to borrow a Mac to set the speed with the supplied software and > just stay away from audio CDs until someone writes a tool for NS to do the > switching. [munch, munch] Ciao > > > ---------------------------------- > Alex Currier > HotLine Technical Support > Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin > ---------------------------------- -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL!!! FRENCHIE ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Si la classe ouvriere ne nous satisfait plus, nous la destituerons< > et en elirons une autre" B. Brecht (ne parlant pas d'informatique)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Tony_Wosnjuk@Novell.COM Subject: Power Key Won't Power Message-ID: <1993Jun21.145355.24061@novell.com> Sender: news@novell.com (The Netnews Manager) Organization: Novell, Inc. Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 14:53:55 GMT I have one NeXTstation which won't power up when I hit the Power key. I remember reading something about this a long time ago. Please, send me some information. I can't find a FAQ at this moment. Thanks,
From: agray@axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NeXT Printer problem Date: 21 Jun 1993 15:13:16 GMT Organization: BT Laboratories Distribution: world Message-ID: <204j6c$b73@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk> Before I call out the maintenance guys ... My NeXT laser printer has started to blow fuses. When I send a test message to it (with a new fuse in) it does the normal whoosh and then there is a clunk and an error number 5 appears in the dialogue box. None of my manuals refer to the printer error codes. Calling for maintenance is expensive as it is my own gear. Can anyone hint at what I should be looking for? I have had the machine for just over a year and have probably only used a couple of hundred sheets in that time, so there's no excessive use. It is powered off by cron at 2am so the minimum use is a quick poke when 'nppower off' is called. Replies by mail pref as I can't often monitor the groups. Thanks Andy Gray
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: vikram@viman.com (Vikram Duvvoori) Subject: success with NEXTSTEP on a local PC clone Message-ID: <1993Jun21.151015.207@viman.com> Keywords: Compatibility, Intel, NEXTSTEP, PC, success Sender: vikram@viman.com Organization: Viman Software, Santa Cruz, California Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 15:10:15 GMT For lots of you folks out there concerned about compatibility of local clones with NEXTSTEP 3.1, I thought I would share our experience. We have in the past used NEXT qualified systems, but because of our committment to local vendors we recently purchased 2 PC clones from a local dealer. We successfully managed to install NEXTSTEP 3.1 on the first one with no hassles. The configuration is: - 486DX2-66 EISA Local Bus AIR mother board with 16Mb RAM (expandable to 256MB) and 256k SRAM cache - ATI Ultra Pro with 2MB VRAM - Buslogic BT747 EISA SCSI Controller - Quantum 525MB SCSI hard drive - No name serial mouse The system was put together by a local dealer who had NO IDEA what NEXTSTEP was. Installation was smooth and we have a complete color development system within a couple of hours. (This week we plan to add memory, ethernet etc). The second system is 486DX50 (not DX2) and uses Ultrastor EISA SCSI controller. We are going to attempt to install NEXTSTEP on this new system once we get the additional copy of NEXTSTEP. I will report on that. I hope several experiences like ours reduces debate on fears of NEXTSTEP compatibility with clones put together from local vendors. There are lots of reasons to buy from name brand vendors but NEXTSTEP incompatibility is NOT necessarily one of them. -- ________________________________________________________________ Vikram Duvvoori (vikram@viman.com) Viman Software , CA Developers of LicenseServ - The affordable network license manager 800-827-4590 (Toll Free); 408-459-0678 ; 408-458-2862 (Fax)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lacsap@media.mit.edu (Pascal Chesnais) Subject: NeXT 256MB Floptical on White hardware? (NO) Message-ID: <1993Jun21.165928.14945@news.media.mit.edu> Sender: news@news.media.mit.edu (USENET News System) Organization: MIT Media Laboratory References: <93171.20421334II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 16:59:28 GMT In article <93171.20421334II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes: > Does anyone know if NeXT's 256MB Floptical drive can be used on white > hardware? Specifically, I want to take the Floptical drive from an '030 > NeXT-Cube and us it with an Adaptec 1542B SCSI card (preferably under > NeXTSTEP/FIP, but I'd settle with being able to dump stuff to it from > DOS if possible...) > > Thanks! > > - John... The floptical drive is not SCSI, and no one has produced a scsi controller board for it. It is unlikely that you will ever be able to move a floptical drive from a cube to white hardware. pasc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: bff@teal.csn.org (Brendan Forsyth) Subject: Re: success with NEXTSTEP on a local PC clone Message-ID: <C8zHK3.8r5@csn.org> Sender: news@csn.org (The Daily Planet) Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. References: <1993Jun21.151015.207@viman.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 18:19:14 GMT vikram@viman.com (Vikram Duvvoori) writes: : For lots of you folks out there concerned about compatibility of local clones : with NEXTSTEP 3.1, I thought I would share our experience. We have in the past : used NEXT qualified systems, but because of our committment to local vendors : we recently purchased 2 PC clones from a local dealer. : : We successfully managed to install NEXTSTEP 3.1 on the first one with no : hassles. : : The configuration is: : - 486DX2-66 EISA Local Bus AIR mother board with 16Mb RAM (expandable to : 256MB) and 256k SRAM cache : - ATI Ultra Pro with 2MB VRAM : - Buslogic BT747 EISA SCSI Controller : - Quantum 525MB SCSI hard drive : - No name serial mouse : : The system was put together by a local dealer who had NO IDEA what NEXTSTEP : was. Installation was smooth and we have a complete color development system : within a couple of hours. (This week we plan to add memory, ethernet etc). : : The second system is 486DX50 (not DX2) and uses Ultrastor EISA SCSI : controller. We are going to attempt to install NEXTSTEP on this new system : once we get the additional copy of NEXTSTEP. I will report on that. : : I hope several experiences like ours reduces debate on fears of NEXTSTEP : compatibility with clones put together from local vendors. There are lots of : reasons to buy from name brand vendors but NEXTSTEP incompatibility is NOT : necessarily one of them. : -- : ________________________________________________________________ : Vikram Duvvoori (vikram@viman.com) Viman Software , CA : Developers of LicenseServ - The affordable network license manager : 800-827-4590 (Toll Free); 408-459-0678 ; 408-458-2862 (Fax) Since someone else has posted a clone experience I will post mine as well Configuration: 486/33 with AMI Bios (1990) 12 Megs Ram Trident 8900 Video (1 Meg) Maxtor 200Mb drive Adaptec 1540B SCSI Controller NeXT CDROM Microsoft Bus Mouse No-Name serial mouse WD8013 Ethernet 3com 3c509 combo The system installed with almost no hassles except that I have yet to have it recognize the bus mouse. It also thinks that I have a PS/2 keyboard from which it gets an expected nack during boot. The system recognized both ethernet boards without difficulty. The video board runs in 640x480 mono mode only and is so slow that I would not recommend it for anyone. (Don't flame me. I didn't expect anything great here, but if anyone thinks that cheaping out on a video system is worth the savings think again. It is agonizingly slow.) I have just installed a TSENG 4000 SVGA board and it looks 10 times better than the Trident, but is still way too slow. Performance on this 33mhz is also disappointing. But the install was not too bad. Anyone with any suggestions about the bus mouse, I am all ears. Brendan next!bff@pvh.org (NextMail accepted)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gmdraper@frodo.b30.ingr.com (Mack Draper) Subject: NS Installation Woes... Message-ID: <1993Jun21.184025.5471@b30news.b30.ingr.com> Keywords: install Sender: john@bagman.b30.ingr.com (John C Finley) Organization: Intergraph Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 18:40:25 GMT I am trying to install NextStep 3.1 on a Gateway 2000 486 DX50 box. It has an ISA bus. I am using the Adaptec 1542 SCSI card with recommended settings, connected to a Toshiba CD-ROM. My box has 8 Meg of memory. I have a 425 Meg IDE hard drive. When I try booting the NextStep Installation disk, it first loads in the Mach kernel. It then starts examining the machine it is running on. It prints out various diagnostics, such as how much memory the box has. The last two lines it prints are: PC Pointer Probe: Mouse Init Failure Registering PC keyboard: 0 These diagnostic lines scroll by pretty quick. Immediately after it prints the message about the keyboard, the machine resets and it loops through the exact same set of actions endlessly. There seems to be a conflict between the Adaptec controller and the mouse. Some games are unable to use the mouse when the Adaptec is plugged in. The only other thing I can think of that may be wrong is a note in the Gateway technical documentation that states that IRQ levels 11 thru 13 are reserved. The Adaptec is required to be at IRQ 11 for Nextstep to use it. Also this Gateway has a nonstandard RIDE BIOS. It is supposed to give you rapid IDE access. Maybe that is screwing up the works, but I don't have a clue about how to disable it. Has anyone else had success installing NextStep 3.1 onto a Gateway 2000 486 DX50 box? Help!!! Please respond by e-mail. ==================================================== Mack Draper gmdraper@frodo.b30.ingr.com ====================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mleggott@cwaves.stfx.ca (Mark Leggott) Subject: 256MB Floptical Cartridges - Still available? Message-ID: <1993Jun21.201939.320@nstn.ns.ca> Keywords: Floptical cartridges Sender: usenet@nstn.ns.ca (NNTP Entity) Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 20:19:39 GMT Is it still possible to buy new cartridges for the floptical drive? I would like to purchase 4, but my usual sources do not seem to have access to them. Are they even being manufactured anymore? Any help would be appreciated. -- ================================================================ Mark Leggott, NeXT Administrator / Database&Network Coordinator Angus L. MacDonald Library, St. Francis Xavier University Antigonish, Nova Scotia, E2G 1C0 Canada Voice 902-867-2242 FAX 902-867-2334 ================================================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Subject: SUMMARY: NSIntel HW comparison and vendors (long) Message-ID: <C8znGo.CL1@oceania.com> Followup-To: comp.sys.next.hardware Sender: john@oceania.com (John Robison) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems Distribution: na Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 20:26:45 GMT Hi all, As promised, (a while ago) here is a summary of hardware. Note we are *still* trying to buy more hardware from different vendors. Still looking for other decent vendors to work with. (Follow-up to comp.sys.next.hardware - cross posted because notes in installation simplicity are included below) We now have the following machines in-house and up and running: Compaq "Deskpro 66M" with Q-vision Gateway 2000 "66-V" with ATI card Dell "450DE/2" with JAWS Intel "GX/Professional Workstation" with ATI built-in ========= All are 66Mhz DX/2 except for Dell (50 Mhz DX/2) CPU Overview: 1) Dealing with PC vendors is sheer HELL. You need to know *exactly* what you want, and make sure you are getting it. We got the Compaq from a "no-name" vendor - who was also going to get us an HP vectra. Well, basically the no-name vendors are totally unreliable and incompetent. I would *strongly* suggest testing them out with easy stuff like memory, E-net cards, Sound Blaster cards, etc. You'd be surprised at how easy it is to screw up an order. I was astounded. Compaq actually has two Deskpro-M models, one is a "Windows" version. It has pre-installed Windows 3.1 and DOS 5.0 - but no floppys! It also has a on-board sound card, which is useless with NS Intel. Needless to say, we never did get the HP. :-) 2) Gateway was *GREAT*. If you itemize what you need, they FAX up a nice order sheet you can look at and double-check. (I remembered a few things to add after seeing the sheet.) It is itemized and shows you *exactly* what you are getting. Make sure to read the doc about the keyboard problem. If you unplug it a lot you can get NS Intel installed. Their machine seems a little slower, but not much. Definately a bargain! They also "throw in" a windows program, and actually give you the floppys and manuals! If you are concerned about price, get the Gateway. 3) Dell was also a nightmare. We actually had a contractor working for us in Texas get it from a "reburbished" Dell outlet. Mega-problems trying to speak windows drivers to a "technician". Not sure how dealing direct with Dell is. Still waiting for that call back... :-) 4) Intel we got from Workstation 2000. Basically Tim Finnegan is an ex-NeXT hardware salesman. Took a while to get the machine, but it was everything as promised. Right monitor, right hard drive, right amount of memory, right CPU speed, right Ethernet card, etc. Amazing. For $175.00 he will even install NeXTStep for you. Well worth it, seeing as how it still takes a day or two for us to configure machines. Also great hardware. The Intel is the only machine with a form-factor close to NeXT Slab. ALso the Intel has the fans in the right place to support the "OVerdrive" pentium chip - if you care. :-) Overall: All machines are about 35-40 MIPS, compared to 22 MIPS for a NS Turbo (not *official* estimates!) Dragging is a bit slow - but then again, we are not using any Color NeXTStations, so this may be an unfair comparison. Also the "window-drag" test seems to be a bit erroneous. Our statistics seem to indicate that this particular "test" does extremely poorly. Supposedly this is a driver issue for all the Intel stuff. (Not using the "bit blitter" or something like that.) ================ Hardware "gotchas": Compaq is proprietary. 100%. Period. Priprietary video, floppy drive, connectors, Q-vision, etc. Seems the color 1024X768 Q-vision 1280E card with additional video RAM is not available yet. We are running the cheaper 1024E card. (Then again, this vendor was horrid, so it could be yet another instance of incompetence...) We had trouble with the Compaq, and could not "swap parts" to eliminate problems. Also the mark-up may be higher. All "PC" cards still work fine. Compaq puts a hidden "system config partition" on the hard drive. We actually got the machine in a state where it would not boot from floppy. Managed to somehow get the whole disk erased and re-partitioned, but it was not fun. Suggest you make a DOS Boot floppy, and just fdisk things the way you want them ahead of time. I think we had to delete *all* partitions, then add back what we wanted. Needless to say, install was a nightmare. Gateway: A minor challenge installing with the keyboard driver problem. Non-turbo mode is not really an option - the machine crawls. The previous posting about Gateway has the *real* answer at the *end*. Be sure to read the complete doc before installing. We changed things we didn't have to. Dell: Minor Sharpness problems with NEC monitor. Haven't tried others. Installation was OK. Had to use the Adaptec SCSI card with a Sony CD-ROM drive. (Beta release) Intel: If you use 80ns memory, it seems that the whole CPU goes into "slow" mode. Dropped to 8 MIPS. Haven't verified the 80ns SIMMS caused this yet. Put the 70ns SIMMS back in. Installation was simple and easy. No surprises. (This was the fourth machine configured, however.) =============== Vendor Summary: Compaq: I wouldn't send my enemy's monther-in-law to InfoTech in Palo Alto (CA). My guess is most vendors out there will be similar. Peeple just don't understand the need for high-end PCs. Gateway: Buy direct. Excellent! 1-800-846-2058 I dealt with Corey Peterson at extension 5315 They even called when they were shipping the computer and told me the tracking number and when *exactly* to expect it. (And it arrived on-time!!!) Doesn't know NeXT, so order carefully. You can build just about any system you want. Dell: Will sell direct. Still waiting for a call back... Intel: Got through "Workstation 2000" (619) 723-4827 (Tim Finnegan) Pre-installed all peripherals and cards. Offers a very slim selection, but choices are all the best. Only does NeXT configs. Will deliver with pre-installed NS for extra "configuration" fee. Hope this helps a few wary Hardware purchasers out there! Regards, John --- John Robison | john@oceania.com | This Space Available NeXTMail Accepted. | Call: 555-SIGS Opinions are my own. | -- John Robison | john@oceania.com | This Space Available NeXTMail Accepted. | Call: 555-SIGS Opinions are my own. |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: root@azetsys.uucp (Operator) Subject: Source for batteries Message-ID: <1993Jun21.213506.332@azetsys.uucp> Organization: CleverLever Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 21:35:06 GMT Hi. Identified the source, and ordered extra batteries, (just in case) for the NeXT motherboard. Here are the details: Battery part number: BR 2/3A 3V Lithium Battery (Panasonic) Source: Engineered Assemblies & Components Corporation 5204 Green's Dairy Road Raleigh, NC 27604 Phone: 919-790-9700 (ask for Debra) Price: $16.71 for 2 batteries incl. shipping & C.O.D. Geza..
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: CD-ROM drives for NeXT black (and white), recmds needed Message-ID: <1993Jun21.210512.4825@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <BHILL.93Jun16140705@spike.physics.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 21:05:12 GMT In article <BHILL.93Jun16140705@spike.physics.ucla.edu> bhill@physics.ucla.edu (Brian Hill) writes: > The only other comment I have is that I am a little troubled by a post > a few days back saying: > > >>Does anyone know if it is possible to read SGI > >>software distribution CD-ROM's from a NeXT CD-ROM > >>drive? Alternately does anyone have any experience > >>attaching a NeXT CD-ROM drive to the SCSI port > >>of an IRIS Indigo and having it function normally? > > > > This did not work for me. Neither did an Apple CD300. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I believe the original poster was referring to the fact that neither the NeXT CD-ROM drive or Apple CD300 worked on his Indigo. I know that SGI's drive has some non-standard firmware in there (i.e. I wouldn't expect a non-SGI CD-ROM drive to work with an SGI). In other words, putting an Apple CD300 on your black NeXT hardware should work fine. I'm planning on picking on up this fall to share between my girlfriend's Centris and my home NeXT, since Apple is making it a very attractive purchase (I believe they dropped the list price another $100). -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
From: sfl@muttley.ucsd.edu (Susan Fichera) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: SCSI errors trash 3.0 upgrade Date: 22 Jun 1993 00:53:59 GMT Organization: Department of Music, UC San Diego Distribution: usa Message-ID: <205l77INNk1i@network.ucsd.edu> Greetings - I am trying to upgrade a NextDimension system to NeXTOS3.0, from NeXTOS 2.1. In the middle of the upgrade I got the following SCSI error from the hard disk, repeated four times. After that, the system panic'd, and the disk was left unbootable. I got the same errors when I restored the old system from tape. Here is the text of the error: sd0 (4,0): ERROR op:0x2a sd_state:4 scsi status: 0x0 sd0 (4,0): sense key: 0xb additional sense code: 0x47 SCSI Block in error = 0 (front porch) Now I know some of these numbers, like the scsi status, sd_state and sense key. These give conflicting info about the scsi target aborting the command and the command being completed. What I don't know are the meaning of op, the additional sense code, and the meaning of a front porch error. Is this an error in swap?? If some SCSI expert could explain the meaning of this error, I'd be grateful. Reply to me, and I'll summarize. Susan Fichera Systems Programmer UC San Diego CRCA sfl@grasshopper.ucsd.edu
From: maverick@halcyon.com (Thomas M. J. Fruchterman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: success with NEXTSTEP on a local PC clone Date: 21 Jun 1993 18:21:54 -0700 Organization: "A World of Information at your Fingertips" Sender: news@nwfocus.wa.com Message-ID: <205mrj$29n@nwfocus.wa.com> References: <1993Jun21.151015.207@viman.com> <C8zHK3.8r5@csn.org> Well you might not be as stupid as I am. But I had a problem with my serial mouse after the initial installation. Turns out that when you boot up initially and get into Configure, NS probes for the serial mouse finds, lets you use it, and still sets the default to PS/2 If it is smart enough to figure out I;m using a serial mouse while running the Configure.app, why isn't it smart enough to fill in serial mouse? I had also had the unexpected ACK from keyboard, combined with a problem in which my keyboard went completly use less (no key making the same weird character twice in a row) once I was into Mach. I thought the unexpected ACK had something to do with it, but I eventually switched motherboards and now I blame it on the BIOS (Microid Research BIOS before, now Phoenix). Blaming something in BIOS is something I do because I don't know PC's better. I still have the unexpected ACK thing.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: 256MB Floptical Cartridges - Still available? Message-ID: <1993Jun22.022830.3654@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jun21.201939.320@nstn.ns.ca> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 02:28:30 GMT In article <1993Jun21.201939.320@nstn.ns.ca> mleggott@cwaves.stfx.ca (Mark Leggott) writes: > Is it still possible to buy new cartridges for the floptical drive? I > would like to purchase 4, but my usual sources do not seem to have access > to them. Are they even being manufactured anymore? We've been reduced to begging for used ones. NeXTConnection said they were still being made but were backordered several months from Canon. Anyone care to contribute pointers to other distributors with stock? -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw (*** Mark Lin ***) Subject: About the third-party CD-ROM ( EVALUATION version ) Message-ID: <1993Jun22.110606.5937@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> Sender: usenet@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw Organization: National Chiao Tung University Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 11:06:06 GMT Hi, there: I just received my NS/I EVALUATION version ... I saw there is a third-party products menu and a CD-ROM, since I had not got my machine on hand, so I can not install it in a few days. I want to ask about which products are in the CD-ROM? The menu contains all over the products, but says " call for intel " or " intel june 93 " .... Are there available in the CD-ROM? Can they use in Intel-based machine? Since I was told that the product should be availabe in the few months later, but not now ... ( e.g: mathematic ..) Thanks for you help - Mark - - - - - - - - - - - - Email address: u7913108@cc.nctu.edu.tw ( Not NeXTmail, please )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: davor@griffin.cuc.ab.ca (Davor Barcan) Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Message-ID: <C8yFv3.4z2@griffin.cuc.ab.ca> Sender: davor@griffin.cuc.ab.ca (Davor Barcan) Organization: Griffin Software Development References: <MAX.93Jun15163613@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 04:45:02 GMT In article <MAX.93Jun15163613@Kolmogorov.gac.edu> max@Kolmogorov.gac.edu (Max Hailperin) writes: > I've also heard a speculation that one could just by a Teac 2.88Mb > floppy drive out of computer shopper ($83) and plug it into the > mother board with some ribbon cable, mounting it using some > mechanical ingenuity. Mechanical ingenuity? I just wish I knew where I could get a face-plate which has a hole for a floppy drive instead of an optical drive. Anyone want to trade face-plates? :) -- Davor Barcan davor@griffin.cuc.ab.ca (NeXTMail)
From: john@klein.Mines.Colorado.EDU (John Stockwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: 1.2 Gigabyte disk drives for NeXTStations Message-ID: <1993Jun22.145810.16647@slate.mines.colorado.edu> Date: 22 Jun 93 14:58:10 GMT Sender: news@slate.mines.colorado.edu Organization: Colorado School of Mines Hello. I am interested in getting information about 1.2 gigabyte disk drives for NeXTStations. Of interest are the following: price, who to buy them from, ease of installation, and any other personal experience (good or bad) regarding big disk drives on NeXTStations. Please respond by e-mail to: john@dix.mines.colorado.edu Thanks in advance, John Stockwell Center for Wave Phenomena Colorado School of Mines Golden, CO 80401
From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: increase # of serial ports (black) Date: 22 Jun 1993 17:18:50 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Message-ID: <207etq$p85@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Hi all, Just got back to reading c.s.n.* groups, so sorry if this has been answered. I'm away from my NeXT for a month or two (ARGH!!!!) but I'm trying to save up some money to increase the number of serial ports I have. Now, my question is what are people using, how much, how reliable, how fast, how's service from the company? Thanks much, Joel Belog nether@wpi.wpi.edu
From: Denis.R.Dancanet@cs.cmu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: When to turn on CD-ROM drive Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 12:35:23 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <cg9nH=600hvQ8Ty1BL@cs.cmu.edu> Hello, I've been wondering about this for a while: Whenever I want to use my CD-ROM drive, I cannot just turn it on, and stick a CD in it---it never appers in the Workspace. I need to turn my machine off first, then turn the drive on followed by the computer, and things work fine from there. Is this normal? Is this the way SCSI is designed? Am I potentially damaging the computer if I turn a SCSI device on or off while the computer is running? Thanks, -Denis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: When to turn on CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <tssmithC91GF5.2D0@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <cg9nH=600hvQ8Ty1BL@cs.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 19:49:53 GMT In article <cg9nH=600hvQ8Ty1BL@cs.cmu.edu> Denis.R.Dancanet@cs.cmu.edu writes: >Hello, >I've been wondering about this for a while: Whenever I want to >use my CD-ROM drive, I cannot just turn it on, and stick a CD in >it---it never appers in the Workspace. I need to turn my machine >off first, then turn the drive on followed by the computer, and things >work fine from there. Is this normal? Is this the way SCSI is designed? >Am I potentially damaging the computer if I turn a SCSI device on or off >while the computer is running? Thanks, I have a perhaps similar problem with a PLI floppy drive. Sometimes, when I power up the Cube, the boot sequence stops at "waiting for drive to come ready". When that happens, the only solution is to turn off the NeXT, power down the floppy drive, power it up again, then press the Power key on the cube keyboard. This happens maybe 30% of the times I power the cube up (it's located in my bedroom, so I do shut it down frequently--at least every night). Any suggestions welcome.
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin Subject: Emulex NETJet for HP LaserJet4 with NeXT, anyone? Date: 22 Jun 1993 21:44:52 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <207ugk$dup@agate.berkeley.edu> Emulex sells a modular I/O card that turns a HP LaserJet4 (600dpi) into a network printer that directly accepts print jobs via lpr/lpd protocol over ethernet. This sounds like a great solution to stop suffering from dismal serial feed into HPLJ4 from NeXT (black). Has anyone tried this with NeXT? I am about to order it, and wanted to find out if anyone is actually using it and happy with it. List price is $529, and product number for the lpd (only) configuration is: NJ01-T [-T for TCP/IP]. 1-800-EMULEX3 for more info from Emulex. I have no relationship with Emulex, but am hoping to become a happy customer. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: oakescw@nextnet.csus.edu (Carl W Oakes) Subject: NS/I and Microsoft Mouse Message-ID: <1993Jun22.214842.11775@csus.edu> Sender: news@csus.edu Organization: California State University Sacramento Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 21:48:42 GMT Has anyone had any success with using the Microsoft Bus/InPort Mouse with NS/I? I can get my machine up and configured using the Logitech Bus Mouse, but if I try to configure a machine with the Microsft Mouse, the machine locks up solid at the intial Configure Panel. I get the following error during bootup with the microsft mouse: PCPointer probe: mouseInit Failure I've tried using different interrupts and changing the configuration file /usr/Devices/BusMouse.config/Default.table with no sucess. When I call NeXT they say it works and that there must be a problem with my unsupported platform. (486/33 Local Bus with 16 Megs of Ram, Adaptec 1540B SCSI, Orchid Fahrenheit VLB (which does support 800x600 x 16 bit color)). Any help would be apreciated. Carl W Oakes - oakescw@csus.edu University Network Support California State University Sacramento
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: thomson@netcom.com (Deb and Bob Thomson) Subject: CD ROM for NeXT and PC Message-ID: <thomsonC91nKL.F6s@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 22:24:20 GMT I have a mono NeXT and a '386, and I want to get a CD ROM drive that will work with both. Does anybody have any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help. Please mail all replies to thomson@netcom.com. Debbie -- -- From Bob and/or Debbie Go Blue Guys!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nelson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (David Paul Nelson) Subject: Black monitors, NDimension board, &tc. questions Message-ID: <nelson.740790085@puff.socsci.umn.edu> Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 23:01:25 GMT I have read snippets here and there about the compatability of NeXT monitors with other equipment and vice-versa. Can anyone definitively answer the following questions? 1. Will NeXT 2-bit monitors (no puns, please) work with other systems, given the proper cabling? 2. Will NeXT 17" and 21" color monitors do the same? 3. Is it possible to use third-party monitors with either the 2-bit motherboard video or the NeXTDimension board? 4. A question for those having experience of NeXTDimension: is it possible to run two monitors simultaneously? That is, the 2-bit from the motherboard, and the color from the ND board? What does the workspace look like? All knowledgeable answers will be appreciated. Please feel free to e-mail responses as well. Thanks, David nelson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
From: "Douglas F. DeJulio" <ddj+@CMU.EDU> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/FIP questions. Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 20:34:00 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <wg9uHsK00YUnQoKFck@andrew.cmu.edu> I just sold my NeXTstation so I could afford to upgrade my PC to the point where it'll run NeXTstep a fourth as well as the machine I sold. So, now I have to buy some hardware for the PC, and it has to work under NS/FIP and I need to be able to afford it. So, some questions. (And if you're wondering why I made this insane move -- now I'll only be sinking money into maintaining one machine, not two as I have been doing for the past several months.) What exactly is the situation WRT video? I've got a 1meg Trident SVGA card right now, and a monitor with which under DOS I can get 1024x768 in 256 colors. Now, I know I'll be limited to monochrome under NS/FIP. Will I also be limited to 640x480? If I buy a better video card, that will work up to 1024x768 in umpteen zillion colors, can I configure the software so that it doesn't go to a resolution higher than about 800x600? Y'see, my monitor is 14", and my eyes are still good and I want to keep them that way... I'd also like advice from folks who have NS/FIP on the sound cards and drive controllers they're using. Also I'd like advice on trade-offs between motherboard and RAM. If I get a 486DX2-66 EISA/localbus motherboard with 16M RAM, how would that compare to a 486DX-33 ISA with 32M as far as performance? Also, incedentally, does NS/FIP do anything with the third button on 3-button mice? Thanks for your help, Doug DeJulio ddj+@cmu.edu The once and future NeXTstep user.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Emulex NETJet for HP LaserJet4 with NeXT, anyone? Message-ID: <1993Jun23.004736.16220@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <207ugk$dup@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 00:47:36 GMT In article <207ugk$dup@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > Emulex sells a modular I/O card that turns a HP LaserJet4 (600dpi) > into a network printer that directly accepts print jobs via > lpr/lpd protocol over ethernet. > > Has anyone tried this with NeXT? Perhaps you missed my post about the NETJet a day or two ago. We're ordering one as well, based upon the recommendation of a NeXT site that has successfully used it with HP4 printers. -- Nathan Janette Systems Manager, Axel T. Brunger Lab Internet: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Voice: 203 432 5065 Fax: 203 432 3923
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: increase # of serial ports (black) Message-ID: <1993Jun23.005035.16282@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <207etq$p85@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 00:50:35 GMT In article <207etq$p85@bigboote.WPI.EDU> nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) writes: > > Hi all, > > Just got back to reading c.s.n.* groups, so sorry if this > has been answered. I'm away from my NeXT for a month or > two (ARGH!!!!) but I'm trying to save up some money to > increase the number of serial ports I have. > > Now, my question is what are people using, how much, > how reliable, how fast, how's service from the company? I'm way behind posting the FAQs, so here's the relevant section: *** Subject: P5. How may I attach more than two serial ports to the NeXT? TTYDSP From Yrrid converts the DSP port into an additional serial port. Yrrid Incorporated 507 Monroe St. Chapel Hill, NC 27516 Voice: 919-968-7858 Fax: 919-968-7856 Email: yrrid@world.std.com Unitnet has a device, the SLAT-1, that will connect to the scsi bus. Uninet Perhipherals, Inc. Voice: 714-546-1100 sales@cpd.com [Jacob Gore adds:] Also, one can use an IP terminal server. In a non-Internet environment, inexpensive terminal servers, which don't control access to the network securely, can be used. If your network is an Internet subnet, you must use a terminal server that controls either: (1) who can log into the terminal server, or (2) which machines the terminal server will access. These tend to be more expensive (around $250/port, but in 8-port increments), but it may be quite economical means of sharing ports among many NeXTs (or other computers) on the network. [Eric P. Scott adds:] Particularly if one has a NeXT network, an Ethernet terminal server may be the way to go. One that supports Linemode Telnet (such as the Xylogics Annex III) will offer the best performance. -- Nathan Janette Systems Manager, Axel T. Brunger Lab Internet: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Voice: 203 432 5065 Fax: 203 432 3923
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Black monitors, NDimension board, &tc. questions Message-ID: <1993Jun23.005511.16355@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <nelson.740790085@puff.socsci.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 00:55:11 GMT In article <nelson.740790085@puff.socsci.umn.edu> nelson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (David Paul Nelson) writes: > I have read snippets here and there about the compatability of NeXT > monitors with other equipment and vice-versa. Can anyone definitively > answer the following questions? > > 1. Will NeXT 2-bit monitors (no puns, please) work with other systems, given > the proper cabling? Haven't heard of it. > 2. Will NeXT 17" and 21" color monitors do the same? NeXTanswers claims 21" works with PCs. I saw a posted reply that claimed 17" worked with adjustments. > 3. Is it possible to use third-party monitors with either the 2-bit > motherboard video or the NeXTDimension board? Yes, here's the FAQ entry: *** Subject: P8. What color monitors can I use with the Color NeXT machines? The important specs for the color monitor are: Horz Scan Rate: 61 KHz Vertical Scan Rate: 68 Hz Resolution: 1280x1024 (NeXT uses 1120x832) NON-INTERLACED Displays may require alignment to adjust for the scan rate of NeXT machines. Sony GDM-1601 were demonstrated with the NeXT color products. NeXT is not shipping these monitors. Sony no longer makes them, however there is a replacement GDM-1606. The Nanao T560i 17" color display has been used with NeXTstation Color machines, and seems to work well. Some larger NEC displays have also worked. > 4. A question for those having experience of NeXTDimension: is it possible > to run two monitors simultaneously? That is, the 2-bit from the > motherboard, and the color from the ND board? What does the workspace look > like? Yes, in fact you can even run multiple ND boards with associated displays, although I've never seen it done. The color display must be the main display. -- Nathan Janette Systems Manager, Axel T. Brunger Lab Internet: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu Voice: 203 432 5065 Fax: 203 432 3923
From: kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.marketplace Subject: Re: 256MB Floptical Cartridges - Still available? Followup-To: comp.sys.next.marketplace Date: 23 Jun 1993 14:52:47 -0700 Organization: University of Arizona CS Department, Tucson AZ Message-ID: <20ajbf$7kg@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> I have several 256mb floptical cartridges. The price is $70 + shipping. I have some unused ones (unopened 2.x os copies) and some used ones. I'll guarantee them for one month after you buy them. -nick kline kline@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lmccullo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael McCulloch) Subject: Re: ATI GUP with 50 MHz VLB ? Message-ID: <1993Jun23.230429.4267@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1993Jun23.165151.26679@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 93 23:04:29 GMT In article <1993Jun23.165151.26679@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> l06@aixfile1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) writes: > As the ATI GUP VLB is (for the moment) the best addon graphics adapter > for NS/FIP, has anyone yet tried to run it with a 50 MHz VESA-Local bus > board ? Yes, I know this is against the current specifications of the > VESA comitee, but there are rumours that it will be adopted before the > end of this summer. Anyway you can buy this machines right now. > > Running the GUP with 50 instead of 33 MHz should lift up the performance > by approx. 1.5 times while the price remains roughly the same (compared > to an 66 MHz/dx2). Not necessarily. The transfer rate achievable from RAM to VRAM is only part of the video performance picture. For example, if I had an 8088 PC with a 200 MHz path to local bus video, what kind of video performance would I get with NS/FIP? %^) The processor has to render the PS before it can be blasted from RAM into VRAM, so the processor floating point performance will also impact the perceived video performance. So the DX50 may give you better RAM-to-VRAM bandwidth, but you'll lose 25% of the floating point performance of a DX2/66. So the image may move faster on the screen when you drag a window on the DX50, but you'll take 33% longer to initially draw it. Most of the time, the rendering time for the PS is *much* more of an issue than the bandwidth from RAM-to-VRAM *given you have local bus video* (complex 3D graphs in Mathematica as an example). Move the video onto a much slower EISA or ISA bus and the bandwidth becomes much more of an issue. All this is IMHO, of course... -- Michael McCulloch mmcculloch@nebula.tbe.com (NextMail Accepted!) Huntsville, Alabama
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Gateway problems Message-ID: <1993Jun23.223536.2541@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 22:35:36 GMT I am having problems with loading NS on a GateWay 200 486DX266. It seems that once I have it installed and start going to the configure panel I no longer have control of my mouse. I also do not have control of my keyboard either. Anyone know anything about this? -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kent@infoserv.com Subject: Re: OD on white hardware Message-ID: <C936AC.5qK@infoserv.com> Sender: kent@infoserv.com (Kent L. Shephard) Organization: K. L. Shephard Consulting References: <93171.20421334II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Distribution: na Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 18:06:12 GMT In article <93171.20421334II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> John Goggan <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes: #Does anyone know if NeXT's 256MB Floptical drive can be used on white #hardware? Specifically, I want to take the Floptical drive from an '030 #NeXT-Cube and us it with an Adaptec 1542B SCSI card (preferably under #NeXTSTEP/FIP, but I'd settle with being able to dump stuff to it from #DOS if possible...) # #Thanks! # # - John... The OD is not SCSI. Kent -- /* K.L. Shephard Consulting is my company. Infoserv only delivers my mail. */ /* Please direct mail to kent@infoserv.com other adresses may not work. */
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Where is the FAQ file? Message-ID: <1993Jun24.031418.2865@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <1993Jun23.154925.14291@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 03:14:18 GMT In article <1993Jun23.154925.14291@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mbreslow@nyx.cs.du.edu (M. Todd Breslow) writes: > > Title says it all. I saw some references to a FAQ file and would love to > look at it. Also, is there an archive (ftp) site for the NeXT groups? It's going through a major upheaval at this very moment. Keep an eye out for the files in the announce group. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) Subject: NEC CD-ROM woes... Message-ID: <1993Jun24.060644.1275@microsoft.com> Date: 24 Jun 93 06:06:44 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corporation I have attempted to install NEXTSTEP/FIP on a DELL 486D/50, 32Mb RAM, and WD/Paradise SVGA adapter. I also have a NEC MultiSpin CDROM drive attached via a Trantor T130b SCSI card. I am able to boot to the floppy disk, however after scrolling through a few messages (regarding keyboard/mouse/etc) I get the message: No CD-ROM drive found use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d root device? However, I am able to read this CDROM from DOS, Win31, and WinNT. In a feeble attempt to troubleshoot, I pulled out the net card (a DEC Etherworks Turbo/TP) and my MS inport mouse card (I know that device isn't supported, so I used a serial mouse), but this was to no avail. Has anyone successfully installed NS/FIP with a similar configuration? Thanks in advance for any suggestions, -Jeff jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Thierry.Desbois@metasoft.fdn.org Subject: e-mail of Intel Message-ID: <1993Jun24.080923.2340@metasoft.fdn.org> Sender: news@metasoft.fdn.org Organization: Metasoft - Rennes, France. Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 08:09:23 GMT I'm looking for an e-mail address of a technical staff guy from Intel US, who knows one ? Thanks, -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thierry Desbois Tel: (+33) 99 31 68 00 Fax: (+33) 99 35 00 45 Metasoft ted@metasoft.fdn.org [NeXTmail welcome] --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: mcgredo@nntp.crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: success with NEXTSTEP on a local PC clone Date: 21 Jun 1993 12:21:20 -0700 Organization: CRL Internet Dialup Access (415-389-UNIX login: guest) Message-ID: <2051ng$ki4@crl.crl.com> References: <1993Jun21.151015.207@viman.com> Keywords: Compatibility, Intel, NEXTSTEP, PC, success In article <1993Jun21.151015.207@viman.com> vikram@viman.com writes: >We successfully managed to install NEXTSTEP 3.1 on the first one with no >hassles. > >The configuration is: >- 486DX2-66 EISA Local Bus AIR mother board with 16Mb RAM (expandable to >256MB) and 256k SRAM cache Is anyone keeping a list of the compatible motherboards? NeXT seems to want to only list _systems_ from vendors, apparently to encourage VARs. But the propeller heads out here would find a list of motherboards quite useful. Eg, Micronics boards work, Nice boards don't, etc. Sounds like a FAQ topic. Has anyone volunteered, or by raising the issue have I effectively stepped forward? (sigh). -- Don McGregor | Phenylketonurics: contains phenylalanine. mcgredo@crl.com |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: roleary@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Rocqueforte OLeary) Subject: What could a 25Mhz 040 NeXt be ? Message-ID: <1993Jun23.053000.26194@uws.EDU.AU> Sender: news@uws.EDU.AU Organization: University of Western Sydney Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 05:30:00 GMT G'day, I'm comparing some database's, and I've got results from a 25Mhz 040 NeXT...however, I've lost the address of the person who sent me the results...Could some kind person please give me an idea of what sort of computer the above is ? Useful stats could be : CPU, Clock speed (25Mhz I suspect), MIPS, Memory (standard config ?, max memory possible, min config ?),Controllers normally used (SCSI?), and anything else you think useful. Cheers, -- ,-_|\ *********** Rocqueforte Daemaen Alexander O'Leary *********** / \ B.App.Sci.(Comp),BPFH,Uni. Of Western Sydney,Nepean,Australia \_.--_/ E-Mail: roleary@st.nepean.uws.edu.au Work Phone: 047 360 435 o "Boldly going where angels fear to tread."
From: kline@CS.Arizona.EDU (Nick Kline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Zeos SCSI / Gateway IDE Speed Date: 22 Jun 1993 23:00:38 -0700 Organization: University of Arizona CS Department, Tucson AZ Message-ID: <208ri6$5ni@cheltenham.cs.arizona.edu> I have a couple of questions about hardware and nextstep for intel. Zeos provides about the cheapest scsi available. Only about $65 more. It's built onto the motherboard. I read that this was 1520 support and not 1540. I suppose this wouldn't work under nextstep. Does anyone know? How about IDE hard drives? If I buy a system with an IDE hard drive (like say a gateway system with a IDE hard drive), will it be fast enough? How about a system with both IDE & SCSI? Would this be especially fast? has anyone used nextstep on a zenon machine? thanks, -nick
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Is "PAT" motherboard compatible, and how to be on compat. list Message-ID: <1993Jun22.025053.3239@imani.cam.org> Date: 22 Jun 93 02:50:53 GMT Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Hi As the subject line says, this is a two-parter: 1. Is anyone using a MYCOMP intel machine, or a "PAT" motherboard with NS? The PAT appears at the start of the part number of the mother board. 2. How can hardware get on the compatibility list? Who is to be called? Who has to call? The reason I'm asking all this is that the Club Macintosh de Montreal's NeXT section is talking with an intel reseller about the possibility of lending the Club some intel hardware for a few months to do demos, promo and stage a show at some time in the automn. Having the above info would help us to get the loaner, by allowing the reseller to better justify the loan to his supplier. Thanks for any info. Ciao Nicolas "I'm not running this thing, I'm just trying to help" Dore BTW If any supplier is interested in supplying NS software/hardware for the shows, we would of course be very happy to promote those. Please e-mail to receive more details, as they become available. -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL!!! FRENCHIE ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Si la classe ouvriere ne nous satisfait plus, nous la destituerons< > et en elirons une autre" B. Brecht (ne parlant pas d'informatique)<
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: When to turn on CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <1993Jun23.080503.12695@urz.unibas.ch> From: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Frank) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 08:05:03 GMT Sender: news@urz.unibas.ch (USENET News System) References: <tssmithC91GF5.2D0@netcom.com> Organization: Institut fuer Informatik In article <tssmithC91GF5.2D0@netcom.com> writes: > In article <cg9nH=600hvQ8Ty1BL@cs.cmu.edu> Denis.R.Dancanet@cs.cmu.edu writes: > >Hello, > >I've been wondering about this for a while: Whenever I want to > >use my CD-ROM drive, I cannot just turn it on, and stick a CD in > >it---it never appers in the Workspace. I need to turn my machine > >off first, then turn the drive on followed by the computer, and things > >work fine from there. Is this normal? Is this the way SCSI is designed? > >Am I potentially damaging the computer if I turn a SCSI device on or off > >while the computer is running? Thanks, > > I have a perhaps similar problem with a PLI floppy drive. Sometimes, > when I power up the Cube, the boot sequence stops at "waiting for drive > to come ready". When that happens, the only solution is to turn off the > NeXT, power down the floppy drive, power it up again, then press the > Power key on the cube keyboard. This happens maybe 30% of the times > I power the cube up (it's located in my bedroom, so I do shut it > down frequently--at least every night). > > Any suggestions welcome. > Next REQUIRES ALL external devices to be powered on BEFORE the computer is powerd up. This is because the booting sequence searches the SCSI bus for devices and allocates them a (logical) drive at boot time. This is ONLY done at boot time, so devices cannot leave or join the bus while the system is running. (Actually, you can remove a drive from the bus, but you'll get MBytes of error messages in /usr/adm/messages ...) -Robert -- Robert Frank tel. + (061) 321 99 67 Institut fuer Informatik fax + (061) 321 99 15 University of Basel, Switzerland Mittlere Strasse 142 rfc822: frank@ifi.unibas.ch (NeXT mail accepted) CH-4056 Basel X400: S=frank;OU=ifi;O=unibas;P=switch;A=arcom;C=ch ( if all fails try frank@urz.unibas.ch )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: ed@musical.fdn.org Subject: NS/FIP Clone experience + Questions Message-ID: <1993Jun23.020243.16118@musical.fdn.org> Keywords: Clone, CLone, CLOne, CLOne, CLONe, CLONE Sender: ed@musical.fdn.org Organization: Rock'n Jazz BBS (The Music Land) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 02:02:43 GMT Hi there, I just thought I'd share with yall a good NS/FIP experience. I installed seamlessly NS/FIP on a pure clone. My motherboard is a VESA 486, housing a 486 DX2/66 (with a cute little fan sitting on top of it) an Adaptec 1542B, a serial+// card w/ 8250 clone chip, an ATI w/ 2Mb VRAM, an UltraSonic C171 UVGA 17" monitor and a 500 Mb SCSI Seagate HD. I also have a Logitech Bus mouse (much better than any NeXT mice IMHO) Though I still run PR1 (I will upgdrade soon), it performs flawlessly and installed very easily with a NeXT CD-ROM. My only critism would be the monitor which is a piece of s**** but hell, this was a $3200 system w/ 16Mb of RAM. If you want to know, I bought it from Lucky Computer in Houston, TX. Steve @ Lucky, while he didn't know squat about NS, was very helful. My questions : 1) Has anyone experience UUCP communication w/ NS/FIP ? Wich UART chip did you use ? 8250, 18450, 16550 ? Which speed did you reach ? 2) Can you use an IDE drive as a secondary HD, keeping your SCSI as a boot drive ? 3) Is there is/gonna be a Local Bus alternative to the Adaptec for us, Local Bus ISA Clone users ? 4) Has the ATI (doing its own driver) been confirmed yet ? If you have any question regarding NS/FIP on my clone , feel free to email me. But remember we pay for traffic in France : so only ASCII mail (and short ;) I have also experienced installation on EISA Local Bus machines and ISA Local Bus Genoa motherboard. If someone is interested in getting the exact reference for my motherboard, I'll go get a screwdriver... Ed. __ Erik Dasque "The French Guy" --------CAREFUL FRENCHIE ZONE----------- - Encore Deux ans ! Putain qu'est-ce - - Que j'peut m'emerder moi ! - - - J. Chirac @ Guignols - ----------------------------------------
From: droege@infko.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Black monitors, NDimension board, &tc. questions Date: 23 Jun 1993 13:19:51 GMT Organization: CC/CS Uni-Koblenz Distribution: world Message-ID: <209l9nINN4h4@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de> References: <1993Jun23.005511.16355@cs.yale.edu> In article <1993Jun23.005511.16355@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: > In article <nelson.740790085@puff.socsci.umn.edu> nelson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu > (David Paul Nelson) writes: [ ... ] > > 4. A question for those having experience of NeXTDimension: is it possible > > to run two monitors simultaneously? That is, the 2-bit from the > > motherboard, and the color from the ND board? What does the workspace look > > like? > > Yes, in fact you can even run multiple ND boards with associated > displays, although I've never seen it done. The color display must be > the main display. No, either monitor can be the main display. It's chosen in Preferences, section for multiple monitors ("Not Applicable" on normal machines). You can choose which monitor to use as main display and adjust the relative position of the monitors so the picture doesn't "jump" if you drag a window across the diplays. The displays work like one big workspace, windows can be partly on both at the same time. Menu and Dock are kept on the "main" display. Detlev -- Detlev Droege, Universitaet Koblenz, | droege@infko.uni-koblenz.de Institut fuer Informatik | (NeXTmail ok) Rheinau 1, D-5400 Koblenz, Germany | Voice: +49 261 9119-421 (from 1.July 1993: D-56075 Koblenz) | Fax: +49 261 9119-499
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: NS/FIP questions. Message-ID: <1993Jun23.114738.11468@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <wg9uHsK00YUnQoKFck@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 93 11:47:38 GMT In article <wg9uHsK00YUnQoKFck@andrew.cmu.edu> ddj+@CMU.EDU (Douglas F. DeJulio) writes: > I just sold my NeXTstation so I could afford to upgrade my PC to the > point where it'll run NeXTstep a fourth as well as the machine I sold. > So, now I have to buy some hardware for the PC, and it has to work > under NS/FIP and I need to be able to afford it. So, some questions. > > (And if you're wondering why I made this insane move -- now I'll only > be sinking money into maintaining one machine, not two as I have been > doing for the past several months.) > > What exactly is the situation WRT video? I've got a 1meg Trident SVGA > card right now, and a monitor with which under DOS I can get 1024x768 > in 256 colors. Now, I know I'll be limited to monochrome under > NS/FIP. Will I also be limited to 640x480? You should get full resolution with 8 bit gray scale. > If I buy a better video card, that will work up to 1024x768 in umpteen > zillion colors, can I configure the software so that it doesn't go to > a resolution higher than about 800x600? Y'see, my monitor is 14", and > my eyes are still good and I want to keep them that way... > > I'd also like advice from folks who have NS/FIP on the sound cards and > drive controllers they're using. > > Also I'd like advice on trade-offs between motherboard and RAM. If I > get a 486DX2-66 EISA/localbus motherboard with 16M RAM, how would that > compare to a 486DX-33 ISA with 32M as far as performance? > > Also, incedentally, does NS/FIP do anything with the third button on > 3-button mice? > > Thanks for your help, > Doug DeJulio > ddj+@cmu.edu > The once and future NeXTstep user. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: harit@kripalu.com Subject: Re: success with NEXTSTEP on a local PC clone Message-ID: <1993Jun23.114922.11522@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu> Sender: harit@uunet!cbmvax!xmws!kripalu Organization: Kripalu Center References: <2051ng$ki4@crl.crl.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 93 11:49:22 GMT In article <2051ng$ki4@crl.crl.com> mcgredo@nntp.crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) writes: > In article <1993Jun21.151015.207@viman.com> vikram@viman.com writes: > >We successfully managed to install NEXTSTEP 3.1 on the first one with no > >hassles. > > > >The configuration is: > >- 486DX2-66 EISA Local Bus AIR mother board with 16Mb RAM (expandable to > >256MB) and 256k SRAM cache > > Is anyone keeping a list of the compatible motherboards? NeXT seems to > want to only list _systems_ from vendors, apparently to encourage > VARs. But the propeller heads out here would find a list of > motherboards quite useful. Eg, Micronics boards work, Nice boards > don't, etc. > > Sounds like a FAQ topic. Has anyone volunteered, or by raising the > issue have I effectively stepped forward? (sigh). > > -- > Don McGregor | Phenylketonurics: contains phenylalanine. > mcgredo@crl.com | I was told at the show that for 3.2 NeXT will be doing component level testing and will list component manufacturers as well as VARs. -- Michael Allen Latta Kripalu Center harit@kripalu.com (413)448-3288
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: bav@bergen.siodata.no (Bjorn Asle Valde) Subject: LocalBus ATI cards? Message-ID: <1993Jun23.142635.1143@alf.uib.no> Keywords: ATI LB Sender: usenet@alf.uib.no (Bergen University Newsaccount) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Wed, 23 Jun 93 14:26:35 GMT I've seen references to LocalBus ATI-cards, in particular in a situation where one buys <insert-prefered-PC-clone> and uses the ATI UltraPro 2MB card. According to my sources, the ATI is an ISA-card adapter, the LB-implementations are OEM and bundled on a particular LB-implementation. Are my sources wrong? That is: can you buy the ATI for an "generic" (VESA?) localbus machine? Regards, -bav -- Bjorn Asle Valde - SiO Data Bergen, Christiesgt.13, N-5015 Bergen, Norway. Email: valde@bergen.siodata.no Phones: +47-5-320240 Fax: +47-5-320238
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: success with NEXTSTEP on a local PC clone Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun23.143312.24185@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 14:33:12 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993Jun21.151015.207@viman.com> <2051ng$ki4@crl.crl.com> Organization: IBM Rochester Keywords: Compatibility, Intel, NEXTSTEP, PC, success In article <2051ng$ki4@crl.crl.com>, mcgredo@nntp.crl.com (Donald R. McGregor) writes: |> In article <1993Jun21.151015.207@viman.com> vikram@viman.com writes: |> >We successfully managed to install NEXTSTEP 3.1 on the first one with no |> >hassles. |> > |> >The configuration is: |> >- 486DX2-66 EISA Local Bus AIR mother board with 16Mb RAM (expandable to |> >256MB) and 256k SRAM cache |> |> Is anyone keeping a list of the compatible motherboards? NeXT seems to |> want to only list _systems_ from vendors, apparently to encourage |> VARs. But the propeller heads out here would find a list of |> motherboards quite useful. Eg, Micronics boards work, Nice boards |> don't, etc. |> |> Sounds like a FAQ topic. Has anyone volunteered, or by raising the |> issue have I effectively stepped forward? (sigh). |> |> -- |> Don McGregor | Phenylketonurics: contains phenylalanine. |> mcgredo@crl.com | |> Yes you are right it is and it is needed. I understand NeXT's policy by NOT listing components. Makes friends with PC makers. But those of us users who just need a piece here or there or want to put our own system together because we can't afford $6000 for a brand new machine and yet still want to develop on it. My list thus far (And I'll happy to keep the list) of motherboards that work for sure is: Works: Micronics Localbus with Phoenix BIOS Exceptions : (one set of BIOS that Gateway put out very recently forgot which it was(Help!)) UL Localbus with AMI BIOS AIR EISA Localbus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does NOT WORK: Micronics ISA with Phoenix BIOS (v.10 G-17) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The list is short and can only help with folks pitching in. Tom -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: amehta@yale.edu (Anand Mehta) Subject: CDPlayer.app and NEC Message-ID: <1993Jun23.145438.27145@news.yale.edu> Sender: news@news.yale.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Yale Univ. Science & Engineering Computing Facility, New Haven, CT 06520 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 14:54:38 GMT Has anyone got a NEC 74-1 cdrom drive to work with CDPlayer.app? My attempt have failed, and I would like to know if I was doing something wrong. Thanks in advance, -Anand -- =============================================================================== Anand Mehta mehta-anand@yale.edu 436-1437 Computing Assistant, Pierson We dance round in a ring and suppose, But the Secret sits in the middle and knows. ===============================================================================
From: bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Canon & NRW? Date: 23 Jun 1993 15:36:56 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Distribution: world Message-ID: <209taoINNm6v@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Has anyone heard any more info on the Canon buyout of the factory and possible production of a PowerPC ? There was a little bit of traffic on the news net before the Expo, but it has been very quiet since then. With Apples announcement of two PowerPC models to be released in the first quarter 1994, Canon needs to get on the ball if it wants to recapture the NeXT community of buyers. Comments?
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Novice questions about NeXTs Message-ID: <88117@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 22 Jun 93 21:16:02 GMT References: <132345@netnews.upenn.edu> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <132345@netnews.upenn.edu> Scott Dedrick, sdedrick@mail.sas.upenn.edu writes: >1) Can I and how would I hook up dumb terminals to a Cube to access Unix >(say the C shell)? We have software running under BSD Unix (on a Unix >box) and it would be great to have one or more dumb terminals be able to >access it via a NeXT Cube. Any problem here? No problem. I am using my Mac PowerBook Duo as a terminal so that I can transfer files from the Mac to the NeXT (no ethernet yet...). I got a null modem cable (as described in the NeXT online docs) and connected the Mac modem port to the SerialA port on the NeXT. After some minor setup (Email me if you want details) I have a 19200 baud connection between the two (Running Zterm on the Mac). I can login to my account on the NeXT and send files using the Zmodem protocol or run Kermit on both systems and do it that way. Hopefully this week I will manage to work out the line at 57600 baud... I am learning as I go (had the NeXT for all of 1 week). ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mbreslow@nyx.cs.du.edu (M. Todd Breslow) Subject: Where is the FAQ file? Message-ID: <1993Jun23.154925.14291@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Sender: usenet@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (netnews admin account) Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Date: Wed, 23 Jun 93 15:49:25 GMT Title says it all. I saw some references to a FAQ file and would love to look at it. Also, is there an archive (ftp) site for the NeXT groups? -- M. Todd Breslow Internet: mbreslow@nyx.cs.du.edu PGP Public Key Available
From: grant@Manticore.COM (Grant J. Munsey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Nec 6fgx users? Message-ID: <381@gouche.UUCP> Date: 23 Jun 93 15:52:27 GMT Sender: grant@gouche.UUCP I am thinking of getting a Nec 6FGX (21") multisync monitor to use with a system I'm putting togeather to run NeXTStep. Anyone out there using this beast? If so does it work ok? What graphics adapters work well with it? Thanks, ---- Grant Munsey, Mainticore, Inc., (408)252-1135, fax: (408)446-9355 grant@manticore.com or uunet!ub-gate!gouche!grant
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: l06@aixfile1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Subject: ATI GUP with 50 MHz VLB ? Message-ID: <1993Jun23.165151.26679@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Date: Wed, 23 Jun 93 16:51:51 GMT As the ATI GUP VLB is (for the moment) the best addon graphics adapter for NS/FIP, has anyone yet tried to run it with a 50 MHz VESA-Local bus board ? Yes, I know this is against the current specifications of the VESA comitee, but there are rumours that it will be adopted before the end of this summer. Anyway you can buy this machines right now. Running the GUP with 50 instead of 33 MHz should lift up the performance by approx. 1.5 times while the price remains roughly the same (compared to an 66 MHz/dx2). Gregor Gregor Hoffleit nough >> next users group heidelberg flight@vogon.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 09:34:52 CDT From: <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Message-ID: <93174.093452U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Black monitors, NDimension board, &tc. questions Distribution: world References: <1993Jun23.005511.16355@cs.yale.edu> <209l9nINN4h4@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de> In article <209l9nINN4h4@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de>, droege@infko.uni-koblenz.de (Detlev Droege) says: > >In article <1993Jun23.005511.16355@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu >(Nathan F. Janette) writes: >> In article <nelson.740790085@puff.socsci.umn.edu> >nelson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu >> (David Paul Nelson) writes: > [ ... ] >> > 4. A question for those having experience of NeXTDimension: is it possible >> > to run two monitors simultaneously? That is, the 2-bit from the >> > motherboard, and the color from the ND board? What does the workspace >look >> > like? >> >> Yes, in fact you can even run multiple ND boards with associated >> displays, although I've never seen it done. The color display must be >> the main display. > >No, either monitor can be the main display. It's chosen in Preferences, >section for multiple monitors ("Not Applicable" on normal machines). >You can choose which monitor to use as main display and adjust the >relative position of the monitors so the picture doesn't "jump" if you >drag a window across the diplays. The displays work like one big workspace, >windows can be partly on both at the same time. Menu and Dock >are kept on the "main" display. > When Nathan stated that "the color display must be the main display" he didn't mean that that is the only _possible_ configuration, just that that is the only _workable_ configuration. I wonder if Detlev has attempted to run a 2-headed ND with the mono as the main display? -tom nawara nirvana@boss.math.uic.edu ideaLABS (NeXT-based multiple media production house) 708.383.9858
From: hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Compaq + ATI GUP EISA Date: 23 Jun 1993 17:18:23 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Distribution: world Message-ID: <20a38vINNes@crcnis1.unl.edu> Has anyone attempted to use an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro in the Compaq Deskpro M-series machines? It seems that the QVision 1280/E card is pretty hard to get these days. The ATI is readily available and if it works would be an option. I have some contacts that are pretty much have only one choice for the brand of machines - Compaq - and are ready to order half a dozen machines, but are unsure about the ATI GUP compatibility with the DeskPros. Thanks, Hubert Hickman hickman@cse.unl.edu
From: jcs@cco.caltech.edu (John C. Stevenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: STB Horizon Help (NS/I SVGA for ISA) Date: 23 Jun 1993 18:48:40 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <20a8i8INNj4o@gap.caltech.edu> have the STB horizon VGA card for my 486 NS/I with ISA bus as recommended specifcally by the June 3 hardware compatibility guide. Does not work in 1024x768 mode. The 640x480 VGA is WAY too small. The symptons include vertical stripping and black dragon behind the mouse. I can see the higer resolution, barely, and I want it. Perhpas the fact that configure.app shows only 128K video memory for this board is a problem? If the guy that got the TS ET-4000 to work has any clues, or anyone else, I (and jmd@handheld.com) would greatly appreciate it. Email or post or anything, please. john stevenson jcs@alumni.caltech.edu
From: fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: success with NEXTSTEP on a local PC clone Date: 23 Jun 1993 19:47:20 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <20ac08$7r@nic.umass.edu> References: <1993Jun21.151015.207@viman.com> <2051ng$ki4@crl.crl.com> <1993Jun23.143312.24185@rchland.ibm.com> : Works... : Micronics Localbus with Phoenix BIOS : Exceptions : (one set of BIOS that Gateway put out very recently : forgot which it was(Help!)) : UL Localbus with AMI BIOS : AIR EISA Localbus :------------------------------------------------------------------------------ : Does NOT WORK: : Micronics ISA with Phoenix BIOS (v.10 G-17) : ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- : The list is short and can only help with folks pitching in. : Tom It is VERY dangerous to post a list like this. If you really want to do this, and I hope to god that someone does, then do it right. Only post the exact component (MODEL #, Chip Set/Bios...). I have a Micronics Localbus with Phoenix BIOS that does not work (and I've tried several versions of the bios). Of course my local bus Micronics is also an EISA board...but my point is, if you don't make it absolutely clear what you are talking about, someone who uses that information may get pretty upset (when they find out it doesn't work) Well, good luck...oh, and for the list...my mobo is the Micronics EISA/VESA DX2/66 w/256k cache and phoenix bios v1.0.1-28.2 (used to be 22.4 which also did not work). Joe Fitzgerald fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu
From: fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Nec 6fgx users? Date: 23 Jun 1993 19:54:59 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <20acej$7r@nic.umass.edu> References: <381@gouche.UUCP> Grant J. Munsey (grant@Manticore.COM) wrote: : I am thinking of getting a Nec 6FGX (21") multisync monitor to use with : a system I'm putting togeather to run NeXTStep. Anyone out there using : this beast? If so does it work ok? What graphics adapters work well with it? : Thanks, : ---- : Grant Munsey, Mainticore, Inc., (408)252-1135, fax: (408)446-9355 : grant@manticore.com or uunet!ub-gate!gouche!grant I use a 6FG with my DX50 system...great setup if you ask me. I use the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro with it...can't beat the ATI for decent speed and cross platform compatibility. Joe Fitzgerald fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu
From: fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ATI GUP with 50 MHz VLB ? Date: 23 Jun 1993 19:58:26 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <20acl2$7r@nic.umass.edu> References: <1993Jun23.165151.26679@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Gregor Hoffleit (l06@aixfile1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de) wrote: : As the ATI GUP VLB is (for the moment) the best addon graphics adapter : for NS/FIP, has anyone yet tried to run it with a 50 MHz VESA-Local bus : board ? Yes, I know this is against the current specifications of the : VESA comitee, but there are rumours that it will be adopted before the : end of this summer. Anyway you can buy this machines right now. I run it at 50 Mhz...seems ok to me! But, I doubt it would work with all 50Mhz local bus systems. : Running the GUP with 50 instead of 33 MHz should lift up the performance : by approx. 1.5 times while the price remains roughly the same (compared : to an 66 MHz/dx2). I don't see even close to that kind of improvement. It is my understanding that in order to make the LB boards work (at least in earlier mobo's such as mine) that additional wait states are implemented. Even so, it's still not too bad... Joe Fitzgerald fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jon@afs.com Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Message-ID: <1993Jun23.182604.934@afs.com> Sender: jon@afs.com References: <1vo7lc$ha4@cnn.sim.es.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 18:26:04 GMT In article <1vo7lc$ha4@cnn.sim.es.com> npratt@gecko.modsys (Nevin Pratt) writes: |If you buy a PLI drive, you are buying: a case, a SCSI interface board, a | power supply (to run the drive as well as the SCSI board), and miscellaneous |stuff like the SCSI id selector switch, connectors, a ribbon cable that connects |the drive to the SCSI board, etc. <sorry to followup an ancient article...> What amazes me is that PLI sells a SCSI 21 Meg floptical drive for less than a NeXT 2.88 Meg floppy. Now, if the bare 2.8 floppy costs ~$75, then either the 21 meg floptical drive is much less expensive than a mere 2.8 floppy drive, or they are inflating their price due to the "small" market. How much can black paint and a black faceplate cost?? If the 21's had been available when I bought my PLI floppy, I would have bought one of them (and I'd actually be able to keep some Docs on-line for a change.) -- Jonathan W. Hendry <jon@afs.com> It's a hundred classes, give or take a few, I'll be writing more in a week or two. I can make it deeper if you like the style, I can change it round and I want to be an ObjectWare writer,
From: mconlon@stat.ufl.edu (Mike Conlon) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Floppy for Cube Date: 23 Jun 93 16:29:33 Organization: U.F. Department of Statistics Distribution: world Message-ID: <MCONLON.93Jun23162933@holly.stat.ufl.edu> I have a NeXT '040 cube with an external 2.88 SCSI floppy from PLI. It went south and repair people want $275 + $35/hr to repair it. NeXT Connection wants $450 for a new one. What gives? This is a floppy drive! Should be $50 or so. I'm not interested in 2.88. 1.44 would be fine. Is there anyone who can sell me a workable solution to the external SCSI floppy drive for cube problem for a reasonable price? -- Mike Conlon Department of Statistics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: smith@nextone.niehs.nih.gov (Howard C. Smith) Subject: MegaPixel Madness Message-ID: <1993Jun23.201730.5484@alw.nih.gov> Keywords: dimming, replacement, megapixel Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Organization: National Institutes of Health Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 20:17:30 GMT Help! Does anyone have a source for replacement MegaPixel monitors, or reliable replacements for the CRT in the megapixel display? Fade to black... -- Howard C. Smith National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences smith@nextone.niehs.nih.gov
From: cathomas@indyvax.iupui.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Mac SCSI Drives/Min system size Message-ID: <1993Jun23.154534.1287@indyvax.iupui.edu> Date: 23 Jun 93 15:45:34 -0500 Will any Macintosh SCSI external drives work with a NeXT machine? Also, what is the minimum setup (or minimum disk capacity) that is neccessary to get a NeXT up and running on a network? I have a NeXT with an empty SCSI HD and a non-working optical drive. I need to get the machine up on ethernet and I could then install the full system from another machine. Any help? Thanks...CT CATHOMAS@indyvax.iupui.edu
From: sahayman@cs.indiana.edu (Steve Hayman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: increase # of serial ports (black) Message-ID: <1993Jun23.154622.22161@news.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 23 Jun 93 20:46:10 GMT References: <207etq$p85@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <1993Jun23.005035.16282@cs.yale.edu> Organization: Steve Hayman + Associates, Toronto > Unitnet has a device, the SLAT-1, that will connect to the scsi bus. > > Uninet Perhipherals, Inc. > Voice: 714-546-1100 > sales@cpd.com FYI: this number has been disconnected. If anybody knows where Uninet is now, please let me know; I have a customer who'd like to buy a SLAT. Steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory) Subject: PowerPC insert in Wall Street Journal Message-ID: <1993Jun24.115334.213@proforma.com> Sender: jgg@proforma.com Organization: LoftTech Incorporated Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 11:53:34 GMT Today's Wall Street Journal contains a 12-page advertising supplement from Motorola promoting the PowerPC chip(s). It is directly squarely at Pentium, and nearly every page contains some kind of dig at Pentium, either performance, heat dissipation, and cost. One page discusses the operating systems that it will run, and includes Taligent, Solaris, and PowerOpen, among others, but not NEXTSTEP. There is no mention of NEXTSTEP or Windows-NT anywhere. There is no mention of availability, but words like "will" and "soon" are heavily used. The ad is not directed at chip buyers, anyway. Apple and IBM are mentioned as partners, but the ad is a total Motorola job. (I tend to report on WSJ articles of interest to NeXTers because I read it fairly early on the US East coast.) --J Gregory
From: alec@carie.mcs.mu.edu (Alec Ellsworth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Sony GDM-1901 Date: 24 Jun 1993 15:14:57 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS Distribution: world Message-ID: <20cgdh$gcs@spool.mu.edu> Hello, I have a Sony GDM 1901 19" color monitor and would like to know if I can use this monitor with the NeXTDimension board. Does anyone know the cable I would need to purchase/fabricate to use this monitor? Thanks for any help/pointers in advance. Alec -- Alec Ellsworth Marquette University alec@carie.mcs.mu.edu (NeXTMail) School of Dentistry NeRD #3859 Milwaukee, WI 53233 "Blessed are those who engage in lively conversation with the helplessly mute--for they shall be called dentists."
From: benji@athena.com (Benjamin Cline) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Compaq + ATI GUP EISA Date: 24 Jun 1993 15:00:56 GMT Organization: Institute for Mammalian Fur Growth Distribution: world Message-ID: <20cfj8$31t@hermes.athena.com> References: <20a38vINNes@crcnis1.unl.edu> In article <20a38vINNes@crcnis1.unl.edu> hickman@cse.unl.edu (Hubert B. Hickman) writes: >Has anyone attempted to use an ATI Graphics Ultra Pro in the Compaq >Deskpro M-series machines? It seems that the QVision 1280/E card >is pretty hard to get these days. The ATI is readily available >and if it works would be an option. > > The ATI board works fine in a Compaq. benji -- Benjamin Cline benji@athena.com Systems Administration & Technical Support NeXTmail cheerfully accepted! Athena Design, Inc. "Happiness is a warm puppy."
From: Ward_Travis@transarc.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: A dim NeXT mono monitor Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 11:05:04 -0400 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Message-ID: <wg_Q_Uz0BwyOAC3tlG@transarc.com> A friend of mine has a mono slab monitor which I am convinced is not capable of brightening as much as mine -- full-white on that monitor is much dimmer than on mine. I understand that some of the older monitors had this problem, and I'm asking anyone who has fixed the dimming to send me some mail (as brief as you like) explaining what it took. I'm willing to get in there with some nonconductive screwdrivers and tweak the pots myself, if that's all it takes. This dim monitor is in fine focus, by the way. Just dim. Thanks for your experiences (in advance)! -- Ward C. Travis Pittsburgh PA USA "The fact is the sweetest dream that travis@transarc.com (412) 338 4388 labor knows." - R. Frost
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) Subject: Laptops Message-ID: <1993Jun24.153252.11242@altsys.com> Summary: I wanna buy one, any hints? Keywords: Laptops, NEXSTEP Organization: Altsys Corporation, Richardson, TX Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 15:32:52 GMT Howdy, I wanna buy a laptop to run NEXTSTEP. I have the HW Compatability Guide, but I have it on good authority that the Compaq LTE Lite 4/25C is the way to go... Anyone have a comment, suggestion, hint, caveat, or otherwise cogent info? Please hep me. I will be taking this rascal on the road and I will be spending 80% of my time away from the office. I am also interested in how SLIP or whatever will work for mobile computing (getting my e-mail when I'm in Peoria, and so forth...) Thanks a gazillion -- Lorin Rivers Lorin_Rivers@altsys.com Altsys Technical Support 214.680.2518 269 W. Renner Parkway NeXT Mail Expected Richardson, Texas 75080 I said it, not my boss
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: l06@aixfile1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Gregor Hoffleit) Subject: PAS 16 soundcard: What is needed ? Message-ID: <1993Jun24.171300.8517@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> Sender: news@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (NetNews) Organization: University of Heidelberg, Germany Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 17:13:00 GMT Hi, there's some confusion which hardware is needed to run the Pro Audio Spectrum 16 sound card with NS/FIP 3.1. What I understand is that 1.) There are some problems to get it running with an plain ISA or VL board. These problems can be solved when you cheat the Configure.app. 2.) There are big problems when you have the PAS 16 running together with an Adaptec 154x controller in an ISA or VL system. I've been told that these problems can't be solved because both cards try to do busmastering which is just possible for one card at a time with an ISA (and the VL is nothing more) architecture. And what's the matter with EISA-VL boards. They provide a better bus architecture so that it would be possible for two or more cards to do busmastering. Do the PAS 16 and the AHA 154x coexit in an EISA system or do you need a real EISA controller (like to 174x which isn't yet supported in it native mode - correct me if I'm wrong). So it all comes down to this single question: Is it possible to use the PAS 16 in any SCSI configuration right now ? If yes, what do I need ? AHA 174x, EISA, only VL ? If anyone is running such a SCSI-sound configuration (other than the Intel GX/pro of course) could he please post this ? Thank you, Gregor Gregor Hoffleit nough >> next user group heidelberg flight@vogon.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Hardware config. for NEXTSTEP/INTEL Message-ID: <1993Jun24.120649.918@ctcvax.ccf.swri.edu> From: lichtner@swri.edu (Peter Lichtner, lichtner@rory.cnwra.swri.edu, (210) 522-6084) Date: 24 Jun 93 12:06:48 CDT Distribution: world Organization: CNWRA Could someone please comment on the suitability of the following configuration for running NEXTSTEP/INTEL: *INTEL professional GX 486 DX2 66 with 32MB RAM *1.2 GB maxtor HD 12405 *Adaptec Controller 1542C *NEC Monitor syncmaster 4+17 in multi .31MMMMTR 1290x1024NI 90Hz flat *S301K5PS2 keyboard *242584 mouse serial PS/2 w/9-pin ACCS *PCLA 8120 Ether express 16 TP-8/16 bit TPE Is there anything missing?? Anything better? Thanks, ...Peter Peter C. Lichtner Southwest Research Institute San Antonio, Texas
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: derek(Derek Collison) Subject: Pentium chips for Intel GX Message-ID: <C94zxI.16G@oceania.com> Sender: derek@oceania.com (Derek Collison) Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 17:44:03 GMT Does anyone know when the overdrive processor (Pentium) will be available for the Intel Professional/GX workstation? =derek --------- Derek Collison <-----> derek@nosloc.com Nosloc Software Technologies NeXT mail accepted
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Re: Gateway problems Message-ID: <1993Jun24.170608.603@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 17:06:08 GMT I posted a message on June 23, yesterday, about having problems loading NeXSTEP/Intel on a Gateway 2000. I received 2 posts that had the Gateway solution from Paul S. Sears. That solution does not work for me and I already had that message. My problem is that the mouse always gets a Mouse Pointer Probe failure, so I can't continue with the configuration. The other problem is that I don't have the SerialPorts.config file he refers to. I put in a call to Gateway but they didn't have any answers so far. Right now I'm waiting for a NeXT engineer to give me a call to see if they have any insight into this problem. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: NEC CD-ROM woes... Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun24.203240.19782@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 20:32:40 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <1993Jun24.060644.1275@microsoft.com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <1993Jun24.060644.1275@microsoft.com>, jhenshaw@microsoft.com (Jeff Henshaw) writes: |> I have attempted to install NEXTSTEP/FIP on a DELL 486D/50, 32Mb RAM, and |> WD/Paradise SVGA adapter. I also have a NEC MultiSpin CDROM drive attached |> via a Trantor T130b SCSI card. |> |> I am able to boot to the floppy disk, however after scrolling through a few |> messages (regarding keyboard/mouse/etc) I get the message: |> |> No CD-ROM drive found |> use sd%d, hd%d, fd%d |> root device? |> |> However, I am able to read this CDROM from DOS, Win31, and WinNT. In a |> feeble attempt to troubleshoot, I pulled out the net card (a DEC Etherworks |> Turbo/TP) and my MS inport mouse card (I know that device isn't supported, |> so I used a serial mouse), but this was to no avail. |> |> Has anyone successfully installed NS/FIP with a similar configuration? |> I have successfully installed NeXTSTEP from the NEC CD-ROM. (An external Multispin, model 74?) It was not on a DELL however but a no-name pc and an Adaptec 1542B SCSI card. I would bet that your trouble lies in your SCSI card OR your SCSI ids. Put the SCSI drive you want to install to at device number 0 and the CD-ROM at 1. I don't seem to remember the Trantor T130b SCSI card as being supported hardware so this might be part of the problem. Check the IRQs on the card remember NeXTSTEP is a little particular about these things. 8-( As a side note, it's too bad that SCSI cards on the PC are just so....well BAD. A few years back when I was the director of the image processing lab at the University of North Dakota, we had a future domain SCSI card which when we tried to partition our SCSI optical drive, it'd blow away our Maxtor 600 Meg harddisk if we left it on the SCSI chain. Everything was properly terminated too. I've never trusted PC SCSI cards since. |> Thanks in advance for any suggestions, |> -Jeff |> jhenshaw@microsoft.com not a microsoft spokesperson |> -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: barry@ictv.com (Barry Lustig) Subject: Re: increase # of serial ports (black) Message-ID: <1993Jun24.210347.5049@ictv.com> Sender: usenet@ictv.com Organization: ICTV, Santa Clara, CA (408) 562-9200 References: <207etq$p85@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <1993Jun23.005035.16282@cs.yale.edu> <1993Jun23.154622.22161@news.cs.indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 21:03:47 GMT In article <1993Jun23.154622.22161@news.cs.indiana.edu> sahayman@cs.indiana.edu (Steve Hayman) writes: > Unitnet has a device, the SLAT-1, that will connect to the scsi bus. > > Uninet Perhipherals, Inc. > Voice: 714-546-1100 > sales@cpd.com FYI: this number has been disconnected. If anybody knows where Uninet is now, please let me know; I have a customer who'd like to buy a SLAT. Steve Give this a try: Joan Story - Uninet Peripherals, Inc. voice: (714) 263-4222 FAX: (714) 263-4299 office: 17981 Sky Park Circle Suite O Irvine, CA 92714 notes: Uninet makes the SLAT serial line/SCSI product. barry --
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardwaee From: alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) Subject: Maximum capacity of a CD-ROM Message-ID: <C95CpM.E85@news.otago.ac.nz> Keywords: Capacity CD-ROM Sender: usenet@news.otago.ac.nz (News stuff) Organization: University of Otago Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 22:20:10 GMT Hi Netters, For the project I am currently working on, we intend to distribute an image/video/audio database on CD-ROM. I was wondering what the limit of capicity of a CD-ROM is. I have never seen one with more than around 600MB, is this the limit? Or can one fit more? We really need to be able to fit around 1.2GB, can we do this without using two CDs? Many thanks, Alastair -- Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 Chief Programmer, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 The Black Albatross Project, | e-mail: University of Otago, | alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz Dunedin, New Zealand |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kwang@data.acs.calpoly.edu (Kevin John Wang) Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Message-ID: <1993Jun24.014044.138869@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo References: <1vo7lc$ha4@cnn.sim.es.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 01:40:44 GMT In comp.sys.next.hardware, (Nevin Pratt) writes: >All newer 68040 based NeXT machines have a floppy port integrated on the >motherboard. Consequently, you can add a floppy drive to these machines >without being forced to put the drive on the SCSI bus correct >But, if you want a single, internal floppy drive on any 68040 NeXT, you can >plug the bare drive (the 2.88 MB variety) directly into the built-in floppy >port on the motherboard. That's how the NeXTStation's do it! Well, yes, and no. You cannot just pull *ANY* floppy drive. The bare minimum that I now is that you must have a floppy drive that supports the auto-eject mechanism (like on the mac's) If you get a drive that is for IBMs that does NOT have this, you're in deep. NOW, what we are looking for is models that CAN plug into a NeXT '040 machine. clarified? - Kevin Wang
From: ray@mayo.edu (Ray Ghanbari) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: E-net problems? Date: 24 Jun 1993 15:14:11 GMT Organization: Mayo Foundation Message-ID: <20cgc3$mdj@fermat.mayo.edu> Keywords: "It's dead, Jim" Details: Intel GX/P workstation running NS/I 3.1, Intel ether express e-net card, Adaptec 1540B SCSI, 24Mb RAM. Given the lack of software on white hardware, I've been doing a lot of my work using a turbo box as a server (running things NXHost) This has been working well, except for the fact that 1-2 times a day, the whole system locks up. It is impossible to get packets into or out of the Intel system. Upon a reboot, all is well. My question: are others seeing similar problems, or do I have a flakey e-net card? I'm not sure if something in the OS is getting hosed from the heavy load of running apps like NewGrazer, Frame, Illustrator, etc... NXHost Thanks in advance for any suggestions/comments... Ray Ghanbari Mayo Foundation ray@mayo.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nelson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (David Paul Nelson) Subject: NeXT monitors on 486's. Message-ID: <nelson.740963012@puff.socsci.umn.edu> Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Organization: University of Minnesota Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 23:03:32 GMT Thank you all for your responses to my last questions about NeXT monitors. Some have mentioned recabling a NeXT monochrome monitor for use with a PC. Theoretically, I understand that this is possible. I would like to hear from anyone who has done so, or who has had experience working with such a setup. Some questions I am curious about: 1. What sort of video boards have been used? 2. Will it work at a greater depth than 2-bit? (8-bit greyscale, for example - give examples of video boards). I obviously have an interest in conserving black hardware if I ever switch to a 486 machine. For those PC techies: is the information generated by the NeXT keyboard and mouse significantly different from the serial devices used on most PC's? Would it be possible to recable them as well? (I have my doubts, especially about the mouse. The lack of function keys is a problem as well). I am referring to old-style (non-ADB) equipment. Thanks! David nelson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
From: mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Black monitors, NDimension board, &tc. questions Message-ID: <33290@galaxy.ucr.edu> Date: 24 Jun 93 23:57:24 GMT References: <93174.093452U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Sender: news@galaxy.ucr.edu > 4. A question for those having experience of NeXTDimension: is it possible to > run two monitors simultaneously? > I've used a two-headed cube for a while now--one 2-bit mono and one 17" color. I typically use the color as the main display so I can see the dock in color but there's no problem using the mono as the main display. I do notice a HUGE hit in performance as I move a window from the color display to the mono or vice-versa, as NEXTSTEP dithers the image. It's so bad that I don't even bother to move windows any more. I just stick things on the mono that I use all day and don't move like WYWO, Mail, and Date (yes, the original Date). It is nice to have the built-in mic in the mono display but sometimes I'd prefer to use only the color and regain the desk space used by the mono. BTW: anyone ever get a public domain x-windows to work on a two-headed system? -- mikes@velo.ucr.edu Computing and Communications University of California, Riverside
From: root@zac1.zac.itesm.mx (The System Operator) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.software Subject: Adding a Color Printer (NeXT) to a NeXT Cube Date: 24 Jun 1993 19:31:48 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <20cvf4$15al@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> Hi there! I have problems trying to intall a NeXT Color Printer to a NeXT Cube, the reason? in the PrintManager application there's no way to tell the aplication that the new printer (there's no description for a Color Priter) so I have to choose Unknown, but how to tell that the printer is on SCSI ID number 3. I'm runnig System Release 2.1 and my PrintManager is Release 2.0 (v39) TIA, Daniel Ramirez V. PS: Please reply directly to my account. daniel@zac.itesm.mx
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: van@group1.com (Van Bagnol) Subject: Compatible trackballs? Organization: Group One Ltd.; San Francisco, CA Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 02:04:42 GMT Message-ID: <C95n3u.4Jz@group1.com> -- Van Bagnol / Group One, Ltd. / (415) 398-7565 / fax: (415) 986-8380 van@group1.COM / "Parang lumalakad ako sa loob ng panaginip..." Teatro ng Tanan / Asian American Theatre Company / Windsurfing
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Canon & NRW? Message-ID: <1993Jun24.221714.729@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <209taoINNm6v@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 22:17:14 GMT In article <209taoINNm6v@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> bwp@engin.umich.edu (Bruce Wayne Patton) writes: > Has anyone heard any more info on the Canon buyout of the factory and > possible production of a PowerPC ? There was a little bit of traffic > on the news net before the Expo, but it has been very quiet since then. > With Apples announcement of two PowerPC models to be released in the > first quarter 1994, Canon needs to get on the ball if it wants to > recapture the NeXT community of buyers. Comments? Yeah. Someone from the Mac side of things asked some time ago about running NS on an Apple PPC machine, when those come out. The concensus seemed to be that you had about as many chances of doing that as of having NS on your Quadra, for now. IBM/third-party machines may be something else, but Apple usually puts lots of firmware in their machine. Besides, You'd need NS/PPC first, right. Do you think NeXT is going to announce it before Canon's machine comes around? Me neither. Canon won't loose the "NeXT community of buyers" to Apple. I may loose it to HP, or Pentium based PCs (if what's around the Pentium improves _a lot_). Or, it may loose it to the computer system heaven, if NS doesn't do well (Pllleeeaaase, let it be a success!). From what I read, Canon is looking to ship nine months from the announcements (Q1 '94). We'll see then... BTW Don't take this badly. I'm as curious as you are about the Canon-NRW. Let's hope! Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - CAREFUL!! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland) Subject: Re: NS/FIP questions. Message-ID: <1993Jun25.040845.28512@splunge.uucp> Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood References: <wg9uHsK00YUnQoKFck@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 04:08:45 GMT "Douglas F. DeJulio" <ddj+@CMU.EDU> writes: >I just sold my NeXTstation so I could afford to upgrade my PC to the >point where it'll run NeXTstep a fourth as well as the machine I sold. >So, now I have to buy some hardware for the PC, and it has to work >under NS/FIP and I need to be able to afford it. So, some questions. >[...some stuff that I can't address...] >If I buy a better video card, that will work up to 1024x768 in umpteen >zillion colors, can I configure the software so that it doesn't go to >a resolution higher than about 800x600? Y'see, my monitor is 14", and >my eyes are still good and I want to keep them that way... Assuming the card is supported at all, the way NS/FIP works with the drivers I've seen (Compaq QVision and ATI on-board), and therefore presumably with the driver for your card, is that you're given a list of combinations of resolution, vertical refresh rate and color space to pick from. You can pick whatever combo you want. E.g. the current QVision driver allows 800x600 16-bit color or 1024x 768 8-bit grey (refresh rates omitted) on the current QVision board, and will allow those plus 1024x768 16-bit color or 1280x1024 8-bit grey on the next rev of QVision. The ATI on-board driver currently supports 800x600 16-bit color at two refresh rates or 1024x768 16-bit color at 3 refresh rates. I've been using 1024x768 on a 15" MAG monitor for a couple of weeks now. I personally prefer my 17" NeXT mono display, and initially did not like the 15" color display at all. However, after a day or so, I adjusted and now don't really mind it. Of course, my eyes are already shot, so I have little to lose. :~) >[...more stuff I can't address...] >Also I'd like advice on trade-offs between motherboard and RAM. If I >get a 486DX2-66 EISA/localbus motherboard with 16M RAM, how would that >compare to a 486DX-33 ISA with 32M as far as performance? More memory is always better, and on a 16-bit color system, going from 16MB to 32MB would be like night and day. Many 486 PCs are already fast CPUs choked by inferior memory, video and disk subsystems. If you have a budget that you have to meet, and throttle your memory in favor of CPU speed, you won't see much of the benefit of your faster CPU unless you're doing heavily CPU-bound stuff. NeXT recommends a minimum of 24MB if you're using 16-bit color, and they're not joking around. Shoot, I just bumped my mono non-Turbo slab at work from 16MB to 24MB, and I noticed a huge difference the first time I logged in. The same applies in spades on a color Intel machine. That said, having used both, I wouldn't want a 33MHz DX if I could have a 66MHz DX2. :~) >Also, incedentally, does NS/FIP do anything with the third button on >3-button mice? No. -- Royce Howland, DKW Systems Corp. | "And since OS/2 2.0 is a 32-bit Everything is IMHO | operating system, programs are royce@splunge.uucp (NeXTMail OK) | easier to write and run faster, or kakwa!atlantis!splunge!royce | too." -ad for OS/2 2.0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Henk Vantyen <henq@phsoft.knoware.nl> Subject: Mac peripherals on NeXT ? Sender: news@knoware.nl (News Account) Message-ID: <C96Dpu.DMs@knoware.nl> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 11:39:30 GMT Organization: PH Software Hi, Some questions from a Mac users who thinks about buying black hardware... 1) can i use my procom (syquest) 88 MB as a back up medium for the Next ? will i be able to format the cartridges ? 2) can i "dock" my powerbook as an external hard disk to the NeXT ? 3) can i use my Apple gray-levels scanner with the NeXT ? Is there software to control this device ? (Thinking of it, all happen to be scsi-related questions...) Thanx in advance -henq
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: When to turn on CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <1993Jun25.052550.1712@imani.cam.org> Date: 25 Jun 93 05:25:50 GMT References: <cg9nH=600hvQ8Ty1BL@cs.cmu.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <cg9nH=600hvQ8Ty1BL@cs.cmu.edu> Denis.R.Dancanet@cs.cmu.edu writes: > Hello, > I've been wondering about this for a while: Whenever I want to > use my CD-ROM drive, I cannot just turn it on, and stick a CD in > it---it never appers in the Workspace. I need to turn my machine > off first, then turn the drive on followed by the computer, and things > work fine from there. Is this normal? Yes. Some devices work around that (I use a Dataproduct scanner on a Mac that you can turn on and off while everything is running. Cool.), but most don't. > Is this the way SCSI is designed? As far as I know, yes. (Mac and NeXT experience talking here.) > Am I potentially damaging the computer if I turn a SCSI device on or off > while the computer is running? No, never heard of s SCSI port burning up or something, but you may get error messages in the Console. It's not a question of voltage, but of signal. The SCSI just gets very confused. > Thanks, Just leave it on all the time. Probably takes very little power. Much less in a month not doing anything than a reboot in a few seconds! 8^)> Ciao > -Denis > > -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - CAREFUL!! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" <
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: When to turn on CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <1993Jun25.052847.1769@imani.cam.org> Date: 25 Jun 93 05:28:47 GMT References: <tssmithC91GF5.2D0@netcom.com> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <tssmithC91GF5.2D0@netcom.com> tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) writes: > I have a perhaps similar problem with a PLI floppy drive. Sometimes, > when I power up the Cube, the boot sequence stops at "waiting for drive > to come ready". When that happens, the only solution is to turn off the Do you wait? On my machine, it takes about 20 seconds for the SCSI check to be over. My guess is it's looking for something in the drive, but since the drive is empty... BTW Don't PLI drives power-up with the machine? That switch in the back is for termination purposes. Just wondering. Ciao > NeXT, power down the floppy drive, power it up again, then press the > Power key on the cube keyboard. This happens maybe 30% of the times > I power the cube up (it's located in my bedroom, so I do shut it > down frequently--at least every night). > > Any suggestions welcome. > > -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - CAREFUL!! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Ariel: What's up with those guys? Message-ID: <1993Jun25.132037.423@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 13:20:37 GMT Hi As the subject line says, I'm wondering what happened to the Ariel people. They had interesting products for NeXT machines, and I guess they could have used their experience to get NS/I DSP-boards or whatever out the door or something of the sort. Are they still doing NeXT stuff? Planning NS stuff? I guess they were amongst the most pissed at the "no-hardware" policy, but I'm wondering. Anybody know? Ciao -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - CAREFUL!! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!!! - - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Solution for NSI Gateway Installation Message-ID: <1993Jun25.164458.2078@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 16:44:58 GMT If you have a Gateway with the new motherboard and are having problems with the serial mouse, a Logitech BusMan Mouse will work. I don't know if you still have to keep the keyboard unplugged, but at least you can use the mouse to complete the configuration/installation. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardwaee From: issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) Subject: Re: Maximum capacity of a CD-ROM Message-ID: <issa.741027335@cwis> Keywords: Capacity CD-ROM Sender: news@news.unomaha.edu (UNO Network News Server) Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha References: <C95CpM.E85@news.otago.ac.nz> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 16:55:35 GMT alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz (Alastair Thomson) writes: >Hi Netters, >For the project I am currently working on, we intend to distribute an >image/video/audio database on CD-ROM. I was wondering what the limit >of capicity of a CD-ROM is. I have never seen one with more than >around 600MB, is this the limit? Or can one fit more? We really need >to be able to fit around 1.2GB, can we do this without using two CDs? >Many thanks, >Alastair >-- Hi, As far as I know, around 600Mb is about the highest (even thou that the CDROM drives themselves can read higher). Few months ago, some company in England discovered what is called today the "high density" CDROM disk (by fitting more tracks on the surface). They are good for around 1 Gig. I think they'll be hitting the market pretty soon (I don't know if you can wait until then, but I thought that this might be an option.) Issa
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: van@group1.com (Van Bagnol) Subject: Compatible trackballs? And what are my options? Organization: Group One Ltd.; San Francisco, CA Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 17:18:44 GMT Message-ID: <C96tF9.A97@group1.com> Keywords: NeXT NS Intel Moto trackballs Which trackballs are compatible with NS/FIP? I recall reading somewhere that certain mice (or their drivers) wouldn't work. And are there any trackballs available for Black hardware? On a related note: I am still deciding whether to get used Black HW or a new Intel box. Would getting a NeXTstation or Cube with NS 3.0 entitle me to upgrade pricing for 3.2? The $2700+ for NS/FIP may turn out to be a major cost factor for me, as I can't buy educational, and I'm concerned about the upgrade path if I go with the $300 developer eval kit. Much thanks in advance. Van -- Van Bagnol / Group One, Ltd. / (415) 398-7565 / fax: (415) 986-8380 van@group1.COM / "Parang lumalakad ako sa loob ng panaginip..." Teatro ng Tanan / Asian American Theatre Company / Windsurfing
From: smith@skid.ps.uci.edu (Andy Smith) Subject: Re: MegaPixel Madness Message-ID: <smith.741031779@skid.ps.uci.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Keywords: dimming, replacement, megapixel References: <1993Jun23.201730.5484@alw.nih.gov> Date: 25 Jun 93 18:13:31 GMT >Help! >Does anyone have a source for replacement MegaPixel monitors, or >reliable replacements for the CRT in the megapixel display? >Fade to black... Recently I was wandering around a local used computer store. The place was filled with ancient computer stuff from times gone by. Suddenly I saw a familiar sight out of the corner of my eye. In the corner of the highest shelf on a wall filled with old momocrome PC monitors were 2 white NeXT megapixel display boxes. I asked the sales guy: Are those NeXT displays, or if they were just using the boxes for something else? Sales guy responds: You know what they are!!? me: Yes, I have one on my desk at home. Sales guy: About twice a week someone asks me to bring down one of those monitors. I lift it down and open the box and the customer looks inside. Everyone seems to agree that it isn't VGA. They look nice though, they are black. me: I know. I then proceeded to explain to him the odyssey of NeXT and Steve and Unix... He wasn't listening, so I cut it short. Sales guy(cutting to the bottom line): If you want them I am sure you can buy them cheap. me: Oh really, how much? Sales guy goes into back room and calls to boss "hey, how much for those black monitors in the "NeXT" boxes" Sales guy returns $395 each. (I think) me: I'll consider it.... ----- I am sure from talking to these guys that some interested party could buy a monitor or 2 from these folks for much less then their asking price of $395.00. I don't know what condition they were in, and the sales guy didn't even know where they came from. Anyway what you all really want to know is where: Alltech Electronics 1300 E Edinger Ave Santa Ana, California ---- By the way,.. The reason that I hang arround places like this is that they are a good source of SCSI connectors. If you shop arround you can buy mid-tower PC cases with 200W power supplus for about $60. These seem like a great home for SCSI periferals for my NeXT. I can connect several drives inside the case with ribbon cabels and save a bundle on connectors, SCSI cabels and those outragously priced SCSI cases. Has anyone tried this? Does anyone have a good reason why I shouldn't? -Andrew Smith Department of physics, UC Irvine smith@master.ps.uci.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.programmer From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: Re: Solution for NSI Gateway Installation Message-ID: <1993Jun25.181721.2339@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass References: <1993Jun25.164458.2078@glv.uucp> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 18:17:21 GMT Robert Andersen writes > If you have a Gateway with the new motherboard and are having problems with > the serial mouse, a Logitech BusMan Mouse will work. I don't know if you still > have to keep the keyboard unplugged, but at least you can use the mouse to > complete the configuration/installation. > Yes you do have to keep the keyboard unplugged while it is booting, but once it is up, plug it in and it works. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: pdc4d@amsun29.apma.Virginia.EDU (Philip D. Crow) Subject: Seagate ST-3283N compatible? Message-ID: <C96ttr.3zG@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 17:27:26 GMT If the add claims the drive is SCSI, is that enough to gaurantee that it will work with my slab (turbo mono)? Will the cable supplied by the retailer work? Thanks for any feedback, Phil Crow pdc4d@virginia.edu
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Date: 25 Jun 1993 20:51:14 GMT Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting Message-ID: <20fog2INNe75@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> References: <1vo7lc$ha4@cnn.sim.es.com> <1993Jun23.182604.934@afs.com> In article <1993Jun23.182604.934@afs.com> jon@afs.com writes: >If the 21's had been available when I bought my PLI floppy, I would have bought >one of them (and I'd actually be able to keep some Docs on-line for a change.) Unfortunately, the floptical 21 MB drive didn't support 2.88 MB floppies, so buying one of them instead of the SuperFloppy would have made reading 2.88 MB floppies impossible. Maybe this has changed (well, 2.88 floppy drives don't seem to be well-supported on NEXTSTEP PC hardware, so maybe the 2.88 floppy issue is becoming moot). What I'm chafed about is that 3.1 broke my PLI's capability to format NEXTSTEP floppies. NeXT, please fix this ASAP. Those of us who spent probably more money than we should've on these PLI drives don't want you to break them for us. -- Art Isbell Cubic Solutions NeXT Registered Developer #745 NEXTSTEP software development and consulting NeXTmail: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU Voice: (408)335-1154 USmail: 95018-9442 Fax: (408)335-2515
From: pyrros@ulysses.att.com (Christos T. Pyrros) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: AES/EBU Digital with SMPTE? Keywords: AES, EBU, SMPTE Message-ID: <1993Jun25.155720.3970@ulysses.att.com> Date: 25 Jun 93 15:57:20 GMT Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill I'm looking for a hardware/software combination that will accept an AES/EBU digital input and be able to play it back on an AES/EBU output synchronized with SMPTE. I know of one such product from Turle Beach Systems, but I have found it to be unreliable. If anyone has any information to share about such products it would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Chris
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon) Subject: Computer Peripherals Inc. Viva 14.4? Message-ID: <1993Jun25.204638.15313@linus.mitre.org> Sender: news@linus.mitre.org (News Service) Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 20:46:38 GMT Has anyone tried out a CPI Viva 14.4 Data/Fax modem on black hardware? If so did you encounter any unusual problems? Any problems at all? - Max | William R. Herndon \ The MITRE Corporation, Dept. G023 | | EMail: wherndon@mitre.org \ Secure Information Technology | | NeXTMail: <out of order> \ MS-Z231, 703.883.6393 | | | | "The world bores you when you're cool." - Calvin |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Daniel G. Kluge) Subject: Re: NeXT 256MB Floptical on White hardware? (NO) Message-ID: <1993Jun25.213047.26115@ifi.unizh.ch> Sender: news@ifi.unizh.ch (USENET News Admin) Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science References: <93171.20421334II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> <1993Jun21.165928.14945@news.media.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 21:30:47 GMT Pascal Chesnais (lacsap@media.mit.edu) wrote: : In article <93171.20421334II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> John Goggan : <34II5MT@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes: : > Does anyone know if NeXT's 256MB Floptical drive can be used on white : > hardware? Specifically, I want to take the Floptical drive from an '030 : > NeXT-Cube and us it with an Adaptec 1542B SCSI card (preferably under : > NeXTSTEP/FIP, but I'd settle with being able to dump stuff to it from : > DOS if possible...) : > : > Thanks! : > : > - John... : The floptical drive is not SCSI, and no one has produced ^^^^^^^^^ : a scsi controller board for it. It is unlikely that you will : ever be able to move a floptical drive from a cube to white : hardware. RAAAH, The Next __MOD__ isn't a SCSI device, and it isn't a floptical either !!! MOD: Magneto optical Disk: Data is stored magnetical, written with a laser, 5 1/4" Drives store 256 to 512 MB per side, double side Medium (has to be turned over by hand), 3 1/2" drives store 128MB. Floptical: Data is storet magnetical, written with an ordinary Head, just the tracking is done by a laser, and thus much mor accurate, the Drives only exist in 3 1/2" Format, 21MB per disk, the drives read normal 3 1/2" Disks. -daniel -- Daniel G. Kluge @ Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zuerich E-Mail : kluge@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (NeXT-Mail welcome) study-related stuff : dankluge@iiic.ethz.ch DECnet : EZINFO::CLUESCH
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.software,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer From: andersen@reality.glv.com (Robert Andersen) Subject: NSI Gateway Info Final Message-ID: <1993Jun25.212946.2923@glv.uucp> Sender: usenet@glv.uucp Organization: Encompass Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 21:29:46 GMT Here is the Gateway information everyone was asking for. The machine: 486DX266V Adaptec SCSI Controller FAX/Modem 1.2G Seagate HD 32M Ram ATI Ultra Pro/Local Bus 2M NEC 5FG 17" Monitor Logitech Bus Mouse (See below) All of the above was Gateway supplied, except for the Logitech mouse. That above system cost me $5555, the Logitech mouse cost $84.95 BIOS: Phoenix 80486 Rom BIOS Plus ver 0.10 GJX30-05E Paul Sears said to get it to work that you had to disconnect the keyboard and only connect it when you were prompted. That worked fine, thanks for the info Paul. But I also had an additional problem. When it came to the point of configuring your machine with a NeXTSTEP panel I did not have any keyboard or mouse control, the mouse was a Microsoft serial mouse. I changed this that and the other thing and nothing seemed to affect it. I finally decided to try a Logitech Bus Mouse and guess what, it worked. You still have to do the thing with the keyboard but it still works. Also Paul I did not have to do anything with the turbo button. Now when I turn my machine I still have to keep the keyboard unplugged until the login panel appears then plug it in and everything works fine. One other note about installation, when I started installing the NeXT packages I had a problem with documentation. The problem was that I was not root and it tried to create a directory and failed. I would only install the required package, then when you have NeXTSTEP running install the other packages. When you install the developer kits, you need to install the developer tools before the developer libraries because the libraries install uses cc. I made BackSpace on my Intel and Motoral platforms, and Intel finished about 2 seconds faster with lower system and user times, sorry I didn't keep the specs. I also ran BackSpace with Space in background and Molecule with Nitroglycerine motor on. On White, it slowed down both Backspace and Molecule output consistently. On Black, Molecule would slow down and speed up, while space would stop for minute slice of time every so often. Every time space paused molecule would speed up. All in all I am very happy with my purchase, I can't wait to get a Pentium chip to plug into it. For what I have seen so far, White is a little bit faster with performance and slighly slower with video, but my Black is only monochrome so I can live with that. If you have any questions about my machine and installation send e-mail and I will try to help. If a lot of people respond it will be a generic message, I don't want to have to create one for everyone. Once again Paul thanks for your previous message that helped alot. -- Robert John Andersen andersen@reality.glv.com 919-460-3285 Voice 919-460-3295 Fax
From: jcs@cco.caltech.edu (John C. Stevenson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: NS/I extended register 1F Date: 25 Jun 1993 22:54:35 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Distribution: world Message-ID: <20fvncINN4pm@gap.caltech.edu> Well I have finally discovered that i need to change extended register 1F to 22H or 20H from 24H in order to get the STB Horizon video board to operate in the SVGA mode with my NS/I ISA pc clone. Does anyone know how to do this ?? advTHANKSance jcs@alumni.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: netcom.com!kira!davidjohn (David John Burrowes) Subject: Filter material for cubes Message-ID: <1993Jun24.062026.265@kira.net.netcom.com> Sender: davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com Organization: No organization at this time. Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 06:20:26 GMT I was told that someone, recently, had posted a source for the stuff that is used to make the filters that went inside the NeXTcube to protect the fan... Could anyone send me this information? Thanks! \david john burrowes davidjohn@kira.net.netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: When to turn on CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <tssmithC993w5.9Aq@netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <tssmithC91GF5.2D0@netcom.com> <1993Jun25.052847.1769@imani.cam.org> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1993 23:00:04 GMT In article <1993Jun25.052847.1769@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: >In article <tssmithC91GF5.2D0@netcom.com> tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith) writes: >> I have a perhaps similar problem with a PLI floppy drive. Sometimes, >> when I power up the Cube, the boot sequence stops at "waiting for drive >> to come ready". When that happens, the only solution is to turn off the > >Do you wait? On my machine, it takes about 20 seconds for the SCSI check to be >over. My guess is it's looking for something in the drive, but since the >drive is empty... > >BTW Don't PLI drives power-up with the machine? That switch in the back is for >termination purposes. I've received a number of cards and letters about this, so I'd better post something. The PLI floppy is always powered up before the cube, so that's not the problem. I misstated how the error occurs. Here's what happens. The first message is PLI SUPER DRIVE ... at ... If it hangs here, it's never going to continue the boot process. Then you have to power off the cube, and cycle the power on the PLI, then power up the cube. This always works. The second message is "Waiting for drive to come ready", followed by printing some dots on the screen in the timeout interval if there's no diskette in the drive. When this times out, the boot sequence always continues. Oh, and yes, I do know that you don't power the PLI down with the toggle switch. I just pull the plug from the wall transformer on the back of the floppy drive. I suspect it's a hardware problem internal to the PLI. Both the cube and a PC are on the same terminal strip, and sometimes I turn on the PC, which also powers up the PLI, but don't turn on the NeXT, then power it all off again. I've gotten into the habit of always cycling the PLI before I boot the cube. Thanks for all the feedback, and sorry about the initial confusion. --Tim (tssmith@netcom.com)
From: daniel@zac.itesm.mx(Daniel Ramirez Valdez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Problems with a Power Supply (NextDimension) Date: 25 Jun 1993 20:45:46 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <20fo5q$1iqk@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> Hi all! My NextCube's Monitor broke down about a month ago, here, in Mexico I couldn't locate a person to get it fixed, so I take my tools and opened the faulty monitor (it isn't under warranty anymore, a pity!), I found a couple of things burned. -A resistor, (number R305 on the board) an a -diode, the diode has the number on it, but in the case of the resistor I can get the value (the first color it's brown, and the tolerance bar is gold, but I can get the oter two values). Can anyone that maybe have the electrical diagram of the powe supply, please, will tell me the value for the resistor?? TIA, Daniel PS: Please reply directly to my account. -- Daniel Ramirez V. daniel@zac.itesm.mx Stardard disclaimers applies... "When things just can't possibly get any worse, they will."
From: daniel@zac.itesm.mx(Daniel Ramirez Valdez) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: MegaPixel Madness Date: 25 Jun 1993 23:55:33 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey Message-ID: <20g39l$1p18@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> References: <1993Jun23.201730.5484@alw.nih.gov> In article <1993Jun23.201730.5484@alw.nih.gov> smith@nextone.niehs.nih.gov (Howard C. Smith) writes: > > Help! > > Does anyone have a source for replacement MegaPixel monitors, or > reliable replacements for the CRT in the megapixel display? > Fade to black... Me too!, I have a bad power supply, there's just a resistor burned, but I don't know the right value, maybe someone have the electrical diagram? TIA, Daniel -- Stardard disclaimers applies... "When things just can't possibly get any worse, they will." daniel@zac.itesm.mx
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) Subject: Re: MegaPixel Madness Message-ID: <C9AJnp.2Hr@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology References: <1993Jun23.201730.5484@alw.nih.gov> <20g39l$1p18@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 17:38:13 GMT In article <20g39l$1p18@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx> daniel@zac.itesm.mx(Daniel Ramirez Valdez) writes: >In article <1993Jun23.201730.5484@alw.nih.gov> smith@nextone.niehs.nih.gov >(Howard C. Smith) writes: >> >> Help! >> >> Does anyone have a source for replacement MegaPixel monitors, or >> reliable replacements for the CRT in the megapixel display? >> Fade to black... > >Me too!, I have a bad power supply, there's just a resistor burned, but I don't >know the right value, maybe someone have the electrical diagram? > I would like to make a public appeal to NeXT-- Dear NeXT- Please release the circuit diagrams for our beloved black hardware. You have no further interest in keeping them from the public domain. We NEED them in order to repair our unique and out-of-production hardware. Thank you. Steve -- #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====# # Steven M. Boker # "Two's bifurcation # # boker@virginia.edu # but three's chaotic" # #====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#====#
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.advocacy Subject: Re: MegaPixel Madness Date: 27 Jun 1993 23:16:25 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: world Message-ID: <20l9o9$o9h@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <C9AJnp.2Hr@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> In article <C9AJnp.2Hr@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) writes: >I would like to make a public appeal to NeXT-- > >Dear NeXT- > >Please release the circuit diagrams for our beloved black hardware. >You have no further interest in keeping them from the public domain. >We NEED them in order to repair our unique and out-of-production >hardware. I second this appeal. At least, the *SoundBox* schematic and the spec. on serial data format for keybord/mouse/sound data are needed desparately. If the CRT goes out, there is not much hope of repairing the display itself. However, the video part is pretty generic and one can probably use a color monitor with RGB inputs tied, though a waste it is. The problem is connecting the keyboard/mouse/sound, which is what the SoundBox does. So, please release the spec on that. -- Izumi Ohzawa [ $@Bg_78^=;(J ] USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Telephone: (510) 642-6440 Fax: (510) 642-3323 Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXTMail OK)
From: pkron@corona.com (Peter Kron) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: ? Modem for UUCP/FAX Message-ID: <108.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 93 22:43:28 PDT Organization: Corona Design, Inc., Seattle, WA I am looking at modems for NS/I and am considering the CompletePC Turbo Modem and the Practical Peripherals 14400. Anyone have experience with either of these in a NEXTSTEP environment. I plan to use both the data and fax capabilities. Thanks --------------- Peter Kron P.O. Box 51022 Corona Design, Inc. Seattle, WA 98115-1022 Peter_Kron@corona.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: MegaPixel Madness Message-ID: <1993Jun28.002534.24489@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <20l9o9$o9h@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 00:25:34 GMT In article <20l9o9$o9h@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa) writes: > In article <C9AJnp.2Hr@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> smb3u@delton.psyc.virginia.edu (Steven M. Boker) > writes: > >Dear NeXT- > > > >Please release the circuit diagrams for our beloved black hardware. > I second this appeal. It's possible all rights were transferred to the good folks at Bell Atlantic, who aren't about to cheat themselves out of potential business by making it possible for owners to repair hardware themselves. -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kbacon@austin.onu.edu (C0d3 M0n$t3r) Subject: Successful Install of NSI, but Floppy Problems Sender: usenet@austin.onu.edu (Network News owner) Message-ID: <1993Jun28.054634.85605@austin.onu.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 05:46:34 GMT Organization: Ohio Northern University Floppy Problem: System Panic while accessing Floppy Drive after Installation. No record from syslogd, this is all I could catch in the System Panic window. Panic (cpu 0) FlppyArch: invalid dma byte count Panic: NeXTMach 3.1: Thu Apr 29 23:44:40 PDT 1993; root(rcbuilder): Objects/mk-149.22.3.obj~2/RELEASE_I386 Raise RDP exception 6 code 3 subcode 0 waiting for RDP connection (type 'c' to continue) Upon typing 'c' the Raise RDP exception 6 code 3 ... repeats till hardboot. ALL of the following commands fail... disk /dev/fd0a newfs /dev/fd0a cat /dev/fd0a | tar xvf - (after dd'ing a tar to floppy) (trying to read it) newfs -N /dev/fd0a DOES NOT PANIC just returns /dev/fd0a no disk label System Info: 486DX/50 EISA w/256cache Mini-NICE MotherBoard, AMIBIOS '92 Diamond SpeedStar + w/1MB 1542B as Harddrive controller and floppy, tried IDE controller for floppy, still paniced. Teac 1.44M drive 1542B DMA5,IRQ11, Floppy DMA2, IRQ6 Hitachi CDROM, 1.5Gig SCSI MicroSoft Mouse (serial) Any suggestions would be appeciated. Thanks. Kyle C. Bacon kbacon@gauss.onu.edu P.S. Normal Install of User and Developer went w/out flaw...(for the record) who ever is keeping the list or working v/s not working MB's, if you need more info, just e-mail...
From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Floppy for Cube Message-ID: <1993Jun27.055200.4491@imani.cam.org> Date: 27 Jun 93 05:52:00 GMT References: <MCONLON.93Jun23162933@holly.stat.ufl.edu> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org In article <MCONLON.93Jun23162933@holly.stat.ufl.edu> mconlon@stat.ufl.edu (Mike Conlon) writes: > > I have a NeXT '040 cube with an external 2.88 SCSI floppy > from PLI. It went south and repair people want $275 + $35/hr > to repair it. NeXT Connection wants $450 for a new one. > > What gives? This is a floppy drive! Should be $50 or so. If the problem is _drive_ related, you could get a new drive and plug it in. Might just work. Those drives (Teac, wich seem to be interchangeable with Sonys for internal installation) are relatively cheap. If it's SCSI stuff, however, I don't know. Hope this helps. Ciao > I'm not interested in 2.88. 1.44 would be fine. > > Is there anyone who can sell me a workable solution to > the external SCSI floppy drive for cube problem for a > reasonable price? > -- > Mike Conlon > Department of Statistics -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" < > Emma Goldman (to Vladimir Ilitch Oulianov [Lenin], 1917) <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: thor@sushi.uib.no Subject: Printer compatibility (Black Hardware) list wanted Message-ID: <1993Jun28.170937.21811@alf.uib.no> Sender: usenet@alf.uib.no (Bergen University Newsaccount) Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 17:09:37 GMT Yes, I've seen NeXTAnswers and the FAQ, but it doesn't have a single comprehensive list over printers which work with the NeXT. I have a cube and am looking for an inexpensive printer solution. I am considering among others, the DeskJet BW and colour models, IBM's 4019ELX, Canon inkjet printers, and others. I have no idea if any of these will work, and if they will what kind of extra programs I'll need before they do. Of the above, only the IBM is capeable of PostScript. If anyone could forward a list of compatible printers, bugs assocciated with same, and warnings/tips I would be grateful. Regards, -- Thor Legvold | "This is the strangest life NorNeXT User Group leader | I've ever known..." University of Bergen | -Jim Morrison, The Doors NORWAY | edmtl@edb.uib.no
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mmo@sydney.bo.open.de (Michael Mossal) Subject: Re: adding floppy to cube Message-ID: <1993Jun28.101806.2207@sydney.bo.open.de> Sender: mmo@sydney.bo.open.de Organization: NeXT Cube, Bochum, Germany References: <2026j4$1nq@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 93 10:18:06 GMT In article <2026j4$1nq@agate.berkeley.edu> craigf@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Craig Federighi) writes: > I tried installing both a TEAC FD-235J 2.88 MB floppy drive in my old '040 > NeXT Cube and ran into some trouble. Apparrently one must be extremely Is that a ordinary PC Drive or a special drive with a motor to eject the disk? > the cable, the NeXT started up and recognized the drive, but the came up > with a "fd: DISK UNINITIALIZED" message in the monitor window during start What message you you get im rom-monitor until you boot the machine? > up, and failed to work there after. I assume that the initial smoke > exhalation experience is the cause of its failure. I am sure of that. > QUESTIONS FOR THE KNOWING: > - What EXACT model number drive will work in the NeXT? I have no drive but sometimes I dry to buy a one. But I had no access. I also had the correct model number, its a sony drive, but I can't find the number. > - I couldn't kind any "keyed" drive cables; How can I tell the right > way to put the cable in? The Pin with a pad in form of a quadrat is always the pin number one. -- Ciao mmo fido: 2:245/5800.6 email: mmo@sydney.bo.open.de (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: sfch@dmu.ac.uk (Simon F C Harwood) Subject: Re: Cable to connect 68040 CPU board to Canon OD (omd-1) Message-ID: <1993Jun28.174809.23746@dmu.ac.uk> Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK. Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 17:48:09 GMT This problem has now been resolved. Simon.. -- Simon Harwood, Research Technician, Phone: (+44)(0)533 551551 x7915 De Montfort University, The Gateway, Fax : (+44)(0)533 577574 LEICESTER, LE1 9BH UK. E-mail: sfch@uk.ac.dmu (JANET), sfch@dmu.ac.uk (Internet)
From: cdrigget@maui.consilium.com (Christopher Drigget) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Successful Install of NSI, but Floppy Problems Message-ID: <11899@cimshop.UUCP> Date: 28 Jun 93 18:58:04 GMT References: <1993Jun28.054634.85605@austin.onu.edu> Sender: root@cimshop.UUCP I also have a mini-NICE motherboard and the floppy doesn't work. But the floppy works on my isa board. Don't know if it is the motherboard or what. I have tried using an IDE floppy controller card and a adpatec 1542b board. Best of Luck! Chris Driggett cdrigget@consilium.com
Newsgroups: comp.multimedia,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.mac.hardwaee From: davidthi@microsoft.com (David Thielen) Subject: Re: Maximum capacity of a CD-ROM Message-ID: <1993Jun28.175101.14551@microsoft.com> Date: 28 Jun 93 17:51:01 GMT Organization: Microsoft Corp. Keywords: Capacity CD-ROM References: <C95CpM.E85@news.otago.ac.nz> Distribution: usa Yes - you just have to squeeze the bits a lot more <g>. - dave In article <C95CpM.E85@news.otago.ac.nz> alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz wrote: > > Hi Netters, > For the project I am currently working on, we intend to distribute an > image/video/audio database on CD-ROM. I was wondering what the limit > of capicity of a CD-ROM is. I have never seen one with more than > around 600MB, is this the limit? Or can one fit more? We really need > to be able to fit around 1.2GB, can we do this without using two CDs? > > Many thanks, > Alastair > -- > Alastair Thomson, | Phone +64-3-479-8347 > Chief Programmer, | Fax +64-3-479-8529 > The Black Albatross Project, | e-mail: > University of Otago, | alastair@farli.otago.ac.nz > Dunedin, New Zealand |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: mls7@ellis.uchicago.edu (mitchell lawrence sutter) Subject: SF/Bay Area NS/FIP vendors? Message-ID: <1993Jun28.224530.23398@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations Distribution: na Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 22:45:30 GMT I am new to this group, and am planning to purchase a NEXTSTEP intel machine. I'll be working at UC Davis and was wondering if anyonoe knows of independent vendors (who assemble PC clones from components) who have made working NEXTSTEP machines. Traveling to Oakland, San Francisco or San Jose is no problem. Also if anyone knows how to get in touch with user groups in the area, I would appreciate info. Mitch mls7@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) Subject: Re: Successful Install of NSI, but Floppy Problems Message-ID: <1993Jun28.205536.701@imani.cam.org> Sender: nico@imani.cam.org References: <1993Jun28.054634.85605@austin.onu.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 20:55:36 GMT In article <1993Jun28.054634.85605@austin.onu.edu> kbacon@austin.onu.edu (C0d3 M0n$t3r) writes: > > Floppy Problem: > > System Panic while accessing Floppy Drive after Installation. > No record from syslogd, this is all I could catch in the System Panic > window. > > Panic (cpu 0) FlppyArch: invalid dma byte count > Panic: NeXTMach 3.1: Thu Apr 29 23:44:40 PDT 1993; > root(rcbuilder): Objects/mk-149.22.3.obj~2/RELEASE_I386 > > Raise RDP exception 6 code 3 subcode 0 waiting for RDP connection > (type 'c' to continue) > > Upon typing 'c' the Raise RDP exception 6 code 3 ... repeats till > hardboot. > ALL of the following commands fail... > > disk /dev/fd0a > newfs /dev/fd0a > cat /dev/fd0a | tar xvf - (after dd'ing a tar to floppy) (trying to read it) > > newfs -N /dev/fd0a DOES NOT PANIC just returns /dev/fd0a no disk label > > System Info: > 486DX/50 EISA w/256cache > Mini-NICE MotherBoard, AMIBIOS '92 > Diamond SpeedStar + w/1MB > 1542B as Harddrive controller and floppy, tried IDE controller for floppy, > still paniced. Teac 1.44M drive > 1542B DMA5,IRQ11, Floppy DMA2, IRQ6 > Hitachi CDROM, 1.5Gig SCSI > MicroSoft Mouse (serial) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Isn't this incompatible? (read it last week) Could it be the cause? Puzzled. Ciao > Any suggestions would be appeciated. > Thanks. > Kyle C. Bacon > kbacon@gauss.onu.edu > > P.S. Normal Install of User and Developer went w/out flaw...(for the record) > who ever is keeping the list or working v/s not working MB's, if you need > more info, just e-mail... -- Nicolas Dore nico@imani.cam.org - - - - - - - - - CAREFUL! POLITICAL COMMENT ZONE!! - - - - - - - - - > "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution!" < > Emma Goldman (to Vladimir Ilitch Oulianov [Lenin], 1917) <
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kwang@data.acs.calpoly.edu (Kevin John Wang) Subject: Mutli-headed black hardware setups Message-ID: <1993Jun29.013432.172562@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo References: <93174.093452U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 01:34:32 GMT In comp.sys.next.hardware <U54876@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: > When Nathan stated that "the color display must be the main display" he didn't > mean that that is the only _possible_ configuration, just that that is the only > _workable_ configuration. > I wonder if Detlev has attempted to run a 2-headed ND with the mono as the main > display? you CAN set the mono to be the main display, but *ALL* of your video I/O will be about half the speed than if the ND was your main display. Don't ask me why, it just is... - kevin Wang
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) Subject: Re: Ariel: What's up with those guys? Message-ID: <1993Jun28.223334.15254@metrosoft.com> Sender: gvh@metrosoft.com Organization: Metrosoft References: <1993Jun25.132037.423@imani.cam.org> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 22:33:34 GMT In article <1993Jun25.132037.423@imani.cam.org> nico@imani.cam.org (Nicolas Dore) writes: > As the subject line says, I'm wondering what happened to > the Ariel people. They had interesting products for NeXT > machines, and I guess they could have used their > experience to get NS/I DSP-boards or whatever out the > door or something of the sort. Are they still doing NeXT > stuff? Planning NS stuff? I guess they were amongst the > most pissed at the "no-hardware" policy, but I'm > wondering. Ariel has been pretty aloof regarding NeXT marketing for quite some time (and some might say marketing in general for that matter - their booth at the last AES in SF being a strong case in point). They've actually been manufacturing a DSP board for the PC for quite some time - well prior to NS/FiP and the dropping of black hardware. In fact, they have a large and diverse line of DSP and related products (their catalog is 30 some odd pages if memory serves). I wouldn't expect them to attempt any kind of splash in the NeXT marketplace for some time, if ever again. Of interest though is that David Jaffe at CCRMA is adding support for the Ariel QuintProcessor directly in the MusicKit. It looks like a very slick implementation, although I have no way to check it out (lack of a Quint board...). Gordon -- Gordon Van Huizen vox: 619.488.9411 fax: 619.488.3045 Metrosoft gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome] "Our ship is coming in, it just isn't black." - MTD 2/93
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: kwang@data.acs.calpoly.edu (Kevin John Wang) Subject: Multiple processor boards in a cube Message-ID: <1993Jun29.014615.176359@zeus.calpoly.edu> Sender: news@zeus.calpoly.edu Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo References: <1993Jun23.005511.16355@cs.yale.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 01:46:15 GMT I know that several people out there have multiple machines in their cubes, namely one '040 and one '030. I'm one of those, but I have a couple of queries: what general setups do you use? do you offload things like the window manager to a different board and just use NXHosting? How do you get the cpu boards to tell the powersupply to switch off? or have you disabled the '030's so that only the '040 can shut down the machine, rather than needing to turn of ALL the cpus...(confused? I am) What interesting special applications have you used the mutli-machine setup for? I for one am setting up one board to be my slip processor, another to be for sound (continuous music playback) and haven't decided what the last '030 is going to be for. remote logins? Anything else unique/neat? - kevin Wang
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: TS ET-4000 anyone? Date: 29 Jun 1993 01:29:36 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <20o5u0INNn72@clem.handheld.com> Does anyone have a specific Tseng ET-4000 card that works at 1024x7xx? I have a Comp-U-Add one a few years old that only does interlaced at high res, and when the NeXT takes it over, the image seems to be fine, but at 27Khz horz, and 30 hz vertical! The monitor won't sync to it. I need a source for one that is setup to do non-interlaced at the 1024x7xx size. Thanks, Jim -- jmd@handheld.com
From: mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Alex) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: Hardware config. for NEXTSTEP/INTEL Message-ID: <88197@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 29 Jun 93 05:18:47 GMT References: <1993Jun24.120649.918@ctcvax.ccf.swri.edu> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Organization: Klatu Verata Necktie In article <1993Jun24.120649.918@ctcvax.ccf.swri.edu> Peter Lichtner, lichtner@swri.edu writes: >Could someone please comment on the suitability of the following configuration for >running NEXTSTEP/INTEL: > >*INTEL professional GX 486 DX2 66 with 32MB RAM >*1.2 GB maxtor HD 12405 >*Adaptec Controller 1542C >*NEC Monitor syncmaster 4+17 in multi .31MMMMTR 1290x1024NI 90Hz flat >*S301K5PS2 keyboard >*242584 mouse serial PS/2 w/9-pin ACCS >*PCLA 8120 Ether express 16 TP-8/16 bit TPE > >Is there anything missing?? Anything better? You'll be needing a CD-ROM drive to install the software, unless you buy it pre-installed. Even so you may still want the drive... I feel much more secure in the knowlege that I could reinstall my OS if necessary without having to trek about the countryside begging my friends for the use of their drives. How about a sound card? Rocks.app is much more exciting in 16bit stereo! :) ---------------------------------- Alex Currier HotLine Technical Support Texas Union MicroCenter, UT Austin ----------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) Subject: New roms for a Neuron 1414 Message-ID: <scott.741341627@shrug> Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 08:13:47 GMT I was one of those lucky customers of Neuron and bought a 1414 modem a little over a year ago. I would like to upgrade the roms to take advantage of some of the clever software that is available for the ZyXel (sp?) roms such as answering machine, voicemail or whatever...However, there is no distributor of such things in the UK... Will someone who sells the roms please contact me? Thanks, Scott -- EMAIL: S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk OR scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk (NeXTmail) SNAIL: Pyschment of Departology, University of Durham, Durham, DH1 3LE "Did you know that the computer invented itself?" - SNL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: billc@iceCuBE.rain.com (William J. Coldwell) Subject: Re: e-mail of Intel References: <1993Jun24.080923.2340@metasoft.fdn.org> Sender: news@percy.rain.com (Jeff Beadles) Organization: /etc/organization Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 07:37:02 GMT Message-ID: <C9DH5s.E42@percy.rain.com> In article <1993Jun24.080923.2340@metasoft.fdn.org> Thierry.Desbois@metasoft.fdn.org writes: > I'm looking for an e-mail address of a technical staff guy > from Intel US, who knows one ? Sure you want Intel US, and not Intel England? Which product you need support on would help me point you in the right direction. -- William J. Coldwell - Inside Mind An Amiga Attitude Adjuster at large. billc@iceCuBE.rain.com - Inside Home A NeXT Attitude Adjuster in training. billc@elite.intel.com - Inside Intel(tm) PCED/BCD - Just the FAX ma'am!. Some people have cute things that go here, I don't. Deal with it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: oorient@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Object Oriented) Subject: Maxtor RXT800HSR WORM and NeXT Message-ID: <oorient.741356613@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Keywords: WORM Sender: news@ucc.su.OZ.AU Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 12:23:33 GMT Has anyone used Maxtor RXT800 HSR WORM with the black hardware? Please let me know if it works OK. Piotr Palacz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sys-admin From: sfch@dmu.ac.uk (Simon F C Harwood) Subject: disktab entry for Seagate ST1480 Message-ID: <1993Jun29.132358.5285@dmu.ac.uk> Keywords: disktab Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK. Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 13:23:58 GMT Hello, Does anyone know the disktab entry for a Seagate ST1480 400M (Approx) hard disk? I want to change the partitioning on mine from the NeXT standard of 1 big partition into several smaller ones (a root partition, swap partition, etc) in order to avoid problems like the swapfile eating up the entire hard disk and causing the system to crash. I could modify a single partition entry for the disk if I had one, but NeXT decided that they would stop shipping disktab entrys for anything except the optical disk. Thanks, Simon.. -- Simon Harwood, Research Technician, Phone: (+44)(0)533 551551 x7915 De Montfort University, The Gateway, Fax : (+44)(0)533 577574 LEICESTER, LE1 9BH UK. E-mail: sfch@uk.ac.dmu (JANET), sfch@dmu.ac.uk (Internet)
From: dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Dell DGX availability Date: 29 Jun 1993 10:13:43 -0500 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Distribution: world Message-ID: <m30n17INN48v@nada.cs.utexas.edu> Is the Dell DGX (JAWS) available on any of the current Dell machines? I picked up a recent Dell catalog and the DGX is not shown as an option, nor does it show the 450DE/2 which apparently has been discontinued. Thanks, Doug Steves
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: jds@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (John D Stanhope) Subject: CD-Rom support, ATI support for NS/FIP Message-ID: <1993Jun29.123901.11898@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> Sender: news@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab Date: Tue, 29 Jun 93 12:39:01 GMT I am about to get NS/FIP and as I have already spent plenty of money getting my system NS ready and I rather not buy a cd-rom especailly since we have so many sun cd-rom here at work. So does anyone know if a sun cd-rom drive can used to load NS/FIP using the Adaptec 1540c scsi contoller? If so, how did you do it, I won't all the gory details. On a side note, has there been any more rumors of ATI writing there own driver that uses the acclerated features of there card. (Yes I know this stuff about using bitblt and all that has been discussed and deemed worthless, but I still like to see if it could be faster). Please respond through email and I will post a summary if there is sufficient interest. Thanks for your time John Stanhope
From: russ@synapse.ee.ufl.edu (Russell Walters) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: worn gear on Next Printer Followup-To: poster Date: 29 Jun 1993 16:15:20 GMT Organization: University of Florida College of Engineering Message-ID: <20ppqo$1v0@bigguy.eng.ufl.edu> Keywords: printer I am having some trouble with a Next printer. The problem is a common one. There is a small plastic gear in the rear of the printer that is responsible for feeding the paper at the end of the feed path. This gear is worn. I have already flipped this gear over and was able to get another six months out of the printer. But it is now badly worn. In the past there was some activity about solutions to this problem. I recall that someone out there had found a source for this gear. If anyone knows of this source, please email me the information. --------------------------------- Russ Walters russ@synapse.ee.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.next.hardware From: greg@afs.com (Gregory H. Anderson) Subject: Intel vendor phone numbers - here's the list Message-ID: <1993Jun29.164850.1583@afs.com> Sender: greg@afs.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 16:48:50 GMT Believe it or not, NeXT has 3, count 'em, 3 full pages of advertising in this week's InfoWorld! One is the $299 developer deal; the other two are the product ad with vendor phone numbers. For those of you who have had trouble getting through, clip 'n' save the following list: ATT/NCR 1-800-TRY-NEXT Compaq 1-800-TRY-NEXT DG 1-800-DATAGEN Dell 1-800-374-1956 Digital 1-800-438-4316 Ext. BDV Epson 1-800-BUY-EPSON HP 1-800-TRY-NEXT NEC 1-800-374-8000 -- Gregory H. Anderson | "If you've got eyes to rhythmatize Composer-in-Residence | Bring your flat hat and your ax Anderson Financial Systems | 'Cause tonight at 10 we'll be workin' again" greg@afs.com (NeXTmail OK) | -- Donald Fagen, "Teahouse on the Tracks"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: Sean Graham <sean@zippy.nimh.nih.gov> Subject: NS/FIP Questions (Dell 466ME) Message-ID: <1993Jun29.192006.20084@alw.nih.gov> Sender: postman@alw.nih.gov (AMDS Postmaster) Organization: National Institutes of Health Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 19:20:06 GMT I've got a basic Dell 466ME which I want to install NS/FIP on, but I've got to add a few things to it before it's ready. CDROM: Can I use the CD ROM that's tied into my SoundBlaseter Pro? Or should I borrow an Adaptec 1542B & External CDROM, do the install and get rid of the borrowed items? Multiple OS: I read (somewhare) that NS/FIP supports multiple OS installs on the same system. True? Is it theoretically possible to have seperate DOS, OS2 & NS/FIP partitions? Anyone done anything similar yet? Thanks in advance... sean sean@shiloh.nimh.nih.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: wave@pixar.com (Michael B. Johnson) Subject: Re: Laptops Message-ID: <1993Jun29.180713.5746@pixar.com> Sender: news@pixar.com (Usenet Newsmaster) Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California References: <1993Jun24.153252.11242@altsys.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 18:07:13 GMT In article <1993Jun24.153252.11242@altsys.com> lorinr@altsys.com (Lorin Rivers III) writes: > Howdy, > > I wanna buy a laptop to run NEXTSTEP. I have the HW Compatability > Guide, but I have it on good authority that the Compaq LTE Lite 4/25C > is the way to go... > > Anyone have a comment, suggestion, hint, caveat, or otherwise cogent > info? > I don't know about the Compaq, but I have spent several hours over several days playing with NeXTSTEP on a NEC Versa and it was sweeeeetttt!!! -- --> Michael B. Johnson -- wave@media.mit.edu, wave@pixar.com --> MIT Media Lab -- Computer Graphics & Animation Group --> P*I*X*A*R -- IceMan Group (for the summer)
From: jon@cbl.umd.edu (Jonathan Kruger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: BusLogic VLB SCSI controller? Date: 29 Jun 1993 16:25:50 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Message-ID: <20q8geINNpus@cbl.umd.edu> Does anybody know if such a beast exists and if it will work with NS/FIP? I saw a cryptic ad in Computer Shopper that had what seemed like a VLB version of a fast (caching?) SCSI controller, but I lost it... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Kruger - jon@cbl.umd.edu - Computer and Network Systems Coordinator U of MD Center for Environmental and Estuarine Studies, Chesapeake Bio Lab
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc Subject: Another TSENG LABS ET-4000 question. Date: 29 Jun 1993 21:39:49 GMT Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Distribution: world Message-ID: <20qcr5INNpjl@clem.handheld.com> I located a second TS-4000 based card, and installed it, and configured NSFIP to use it in 1024x768 mode. I get EXACTLY the same results as my other, older, card, which is a video output at about 1/2 the correct horz and vert rates. Too slow for the monitor to sync up on. The image is all there, and correct, I can even operate the next if I can figure out which of the vertically wrapped image sections the mouse is really in. Anyone have a similiar problem? Any solutions or advice? I have a 17" monitor for this task, and using the standard VGA driver works, but makes everything so HUGE! Jim -- jmd@handheld.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: tgall@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Tom Gall) Subject: Re: Another TSENG LABS ET-4000 question. Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Message-ID: <1993Jun30.005440.15967@rchland.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 00:54:40 GMT Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM References: <20qcr5INNpjl@clem.handheld.com> Organization: IBM Rochester In article <20qcr5INNpjl@clem.handheld.com>, jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: |> I located a second TS-4000 based card, and installed it, and configured NSFIP |> to use it in 1024x768 mode. I get EXACTLY the same results as my other, older, |> card, which is a video output at about 1/2 the correct horz and vert rates. |> Too slow for the monitor to sync up on. The image is all there, and correct, I |> can even operate the next if I can figure out which of the vertically wrapped |> image sections the mouse is really in. |> |> Anyone have a similiar problem? Any solutions or advice? I have a 17" monitor |> for this task, and using the standard VGA driver works, but makes everything so |> HUGE! |> |> Jim |> |> -- |> jmd@handheld.com Hmmm this is just speculation, but wouldn't a multi-sync monitor help? Or is that Multi-scan? (I tend to mix the two up sometimes) As I remember those kinds of monitors adjust themselves to the incoming signal over a wider range of signals. Tom -- tgall@rchvmw2.vnet.ibm.com (work -- NeXTMail NOT ok) gypsy!servo@csn.org (home -- NeXTMail ok) _________________________________________________________________________ |o|Tom Gall "Where's the ka-boom? There was supposed |o| |o|Dept 45 N to be an earth shattering ka-boom!" |o| |o|Performance Tools III -- The Martian ____ |o| |o|006-2 / B209 /\___\ |o| |o|IBM Rochester 3-4558 #include<std.disclaimer.h> \/___/ |o|
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) Subject: Re: Dell DGX availability Message-ID: <1993Jun30.034226.23401@cs.yale.edu> Sender: news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT References: <m30n17INN48v@nada.cs.utexas.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 03:42:26 GMT In article <m30n17INN48v@nada.cs.utexas.edu> dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves) writes: > Is the Dell DGX (JAWS) available on any of the current > Dell machines? I picked up a recent Dell catalog and > the DGX is not shown as an option, nor does it show the > 450DE/2 which apparently has been discontinued. I just got a quote on a DGX system last week out of curiosity. It was a desktop 50 MHz DX2 EISA system with 17" display, 32 MB RAM, 230 MB SCSI HD and card, and EISA network card. Total came to a bit more than $6K. A bit more expensive than I had hoped... -- Nathan "USENET" Janette PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: t90yuan@mp.cs.niu.edu (yuan tzeng) Subject: what kind of CD-ROM NS doesn't love Message-ID: <1993Jun30.054938.21188@mp.cs.niu.edu> Organization: Northern Illinois University Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 05:49:38 GMT Hi all, I don't know, maybe I should ask "what kind of cdrom does NS love to live with :-)". I just looked up the "Street Price Report" cdrom issue and found that there are hundred of items. It seems to me that what I can afford is those low-end one ranging from us$189- us$250 such as Mitsumi CRMC-LU0055($189), DediaVision Pro Audio Spectrum 16($199),Mitsumi MPC internel(199), Sony CDU-31A internel($219) ....etc & etc. So, please help if these are supported by NS3.1? Are there any subjection that you think I should know about? Thanks a lot --yuan -- [Tzeng Ruey Yuan] --yuan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: menaf00@DMI.USherb.CA (FRANCOIS MENARD) Subject: NeXT STEP/FIP -- Future Domain 1680 Adapter and ATI Graphics Ultra Message-ID: <menaf00.741417263@DMI.USherb.CA> Sender: usenet@DMI.USherb.CA (Pour courrier Usenet) Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 05:14:23 GMT OK, I have been a little stunned by the hardware requirements of NS/FIP. In July 1992, when I bought my GW2K DX2-50 with 20 megs of RAM, I tought, I could at least tough 2 years without having to bother with my hardware. Well, I guess I was wrong. A week ago, I purchased a 1.08GB Fujitsu M2694S 9.5ms SCSI-2 hard disk. Since I have 20 megs of ram, I did not purchased an Adaptec 1542 because of the 24 bit DMA on an ISA bus wich limits the actual addressable memory to 16 megs. My system rocks like hell under OS/2 2.1, but since I cannot be biased towards any OS (well, I lean alot towards OS/2, but my buddy has a black hardware 040 color staton, and NS looks impressive). I'd like to give it a try on my machine. I just dont want to invest anymore in ISA/Intel hardware. I do believe that the Power PC is a much more viable alternative to the Pentiums machines. Can someboy tell me if I'll ever be able to run NS/FIP on my machine. (i.e. FT1680SVP and ATI Graphics Ultra). Also, can I go up to 800x600 on my Mach 8 ATI Graphics Ultra (16 bit color) ? If not, why ? Thanks in advance, -=Francois=- (An OS/2 user, but a NeXT enthousiast) Netmail replies preferred. -- Francois D. Menard - TEAMOS2 ! - Menaf00@DMI.USherb.CA - U de S, QC, Canada Groupe des Utilisateurs OS/2 de l'Estrie - CP 142, Sherbrooke, QC J1H 5H8 FMMHOST/2 GUOE OS2 BBS (819) 821-2137 1200-76,8ZyX Kbps, 40:6499/600@ibmNET In '92 IBM in the US was 5x10^9$ under and IBM Canada was 800000$ over, Eh!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.misc From: hschulz@rzdspc4.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Heiko Schulz) Subject: Apple PowerCD ? Message-ID: <hschulz.741425494@rzdspc4> Sender: news@informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Mr. News) Organization: University of Hamburg, Germany Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 07:31:34 GMT Has anybody seen or better used a Apple PowerCD on a NeXT? It should be a - portable AudioCD-Player - PhotoCD-Player (on your TV) - SCSI CD-ROM By the way, Philips sells a portable PhotoCD-Player (CD-100?) which looks exactly the same (well, not the logo :-). Any comments? Heiko Schulz EMail> hschulz@informatik.uni-hamburg.de
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: New roms for a Neuron 1414 Date: 30 Jun 1993 08:32:52 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Message-ID: <20rj3kINNjs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <scott.741341627@shrug> In article <scott.741341627@shrug> S.A.McIntyre@durham.ac.uk (Scott A. McIntyre) writes: >I was one of those lucky customers of Neuron and bought a 1414 modem >a little over a year ago. I would like to upgrade the roms to take >advantage of some of the clever software that is available for the ZyXel >(sp?) roms such as answering machine, voicemail or whatever...However, >there is no distributor of such things in the UK... > >Will someone who sells the roms please contact me? Contact brentm@hydra.sdsc.edu (Brent Mosbrook (ZyXEL)). this guy works for ZyXEL and can prob. help you out. My guess is that he will ask you to ship the unit back to ZyXEL USA to get the PC board changed to accept the new 1Mbit ROMs. Then they will add the new ROMs and change the facplate to a ZyXEL. (All newer models of ZyXEL modems use 1 Mbit ROMs. Your model might be (is likely) to have sockets for 512kbit ROMs. If you are technically bent, you could change the sockets yourself, FTP the new ROM images, and then burn in the new ROMs with a ROM burner.) Of course, it will cost $$ for the shipping, upgrade, new ROMs and maybe for a new faceplate. RWW. Disclaimer: Brought to you by your local ZyXEL and NXFax reseller. -- Robert W. Wong Jr. wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only) Crasher of Automated Banking Machines
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: joe@FreemanSoft.com (Joe Freeman) Subject: Re: NS/FIP Questions (Dell 466ME) Message-ID: <1993Jun29.205956.3930@FreemanSoft.com> Sender: jfreeman@FreemanSoft.com Organization: FreemanSoft Inc. References: <1993Jun29.192006.20084@alw.nih.gov> Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 20:59:56 GMT In article <1993Jun29.192006.20084@alw.nih.gov> Sean Graham <sean@zippy.nimh.nih.gov> writes: > I've got a basic Dell 466ME which I want to install NS/FIP on, but I've got > to add a few things to it before it's ready. > > CDROM: Can I use the CD ROM that's tied into my SoundBlaseter Pro? > Or should I borrow an Adaptec 1542B & External CDROM, do the install and > get rid of the borrowed items? You need to borrow the adaptec and external CDROM. > > Multiple OS: I read (somewhare) that NS/FIP supports multiple OS > installs onthe same system. True? Is it theoretically possible to have > seperate DOS, OS2 & NS/FIP partitions? Anyone done anything similar yet? Yes, it works. I had DOS, NT and NS/FIP on mine. (The virus known as NT has been removed). -- Joe Freeman FreemanSoft Inc. A NEXTSTEP software and consulting services company. Electronic Mail: Joe@FreemanSoft.com (NeXT Mail) Voice: 919.783.7033
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: trebels@desdemona.theo-phys.gwdg.de (Stephan Trebels) Subject: SCSI hard disks for black hardware Message-ID: <1BXEBUSE@gwdu03.gwdg.de> Keywords: disk,m68k,scsi Sender: news@gwdu03.gwdg.de (USENET News System) Organization: GWDG, Goettingen Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 11:23:09 GMT hi folks, I need some information which hard disks (~1GB) could/should be used with a NeXT slab. If this is a FAQ, please direct me to it. Otherwise I need some info on scsi-1 (black hardware) hard disks: 1) can any of them be safely used *inside* the slab 2) prices 3) performance Please do not *post* answers. I expect lots of answers, so it's better to summarize later. thanks in advance Stephan -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ / Stephan Trebels voice: +49 551 44690 /| +--------------------------------------------------------------+ + | <trebels@theo-phys.gwdg.de> "NeXTmail welcome" |/ +--------------------------------------------------------------+
From: d1h1883@sc.tamu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Intel Professional/GX question... Date: 30 Jun 1993 14:43:12 GMT Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX Distribution: world Message-ID: <20s8q0$2mk@tamsun.tamu.edu> Anybody know the best place to get one of these beasties *and* get the discount for being an ANDI member? (Not one yet, but will be soon :-) Direct from Intel or through some reseller? Phone numbers? Thanks. Dave -- David K. Hess Graduate Assistant David-Hess@tamu.edu Supercomputer Center (409) 845-6907 (work) Texas A&M University
From: zryx0376@awssg7.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: ? Modem for UUCP/FAX Date: 30 Jun 1993 15:10:44 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <20sadk$19sv@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <108.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> In article <108.UUL1.3#16216@corona.com> pkron@corona.com writes: >I am looking at modems for NS/I and am considering the CompletePC Turbo Modem >and the Practical Peripherals 14400. Anyone have experience with either of >these in a NEXTSTEP environment. I plan to use both the data and fax >capabilities. Better wait for 3.2 if you want to use a modem. The serial drivers in 3.1 are broken, at least on ISA machines. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join!
From: zryx0376@awssg7.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel (Hiwi bei R.Rabenseifner)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: Re: NeXT STEP/FIP -- Future Domain 1680 Adapter and ATI Graphics Ultra Date: 30 Jun 1993 15:20:37 GMT Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG Message-ID: <20sb05$sft@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <menaf00.741417263@DMI.USherb.CA> In article <menaf00.741417263@DMI.USherb.CA> menaf00@DMI.USherb.CA (FRANCOIS MENARD) writes: >A week ago, I purchased a 1.08GB Fujitsu M2694S 9.5ms SCSI-2 >hard disk. Since I have 20 megs of ram, I did not purchased >an Adaptec 1542 because of the 24 bit DMA on an ISA bus wich >limits the actual addressable memory to 16 megs. Is this really true? Can anyone tell me _definetly_ if NS/I works with a 1542B controller and more than 16 MB (e.g. 20 or 32) on an ISA/VLB board? Answers preferably via email. Thanks, Markus. -- /dev Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart /usr/spool/mail wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de ~/.ircrc/nick Marsu /etc/motd NeXTSTEP for Intel - Come on and join!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: tfang@netcom.com (Tanming Fang) Subject: Yet Another Femi Problem Message-ID: <tfangC9G4F1.LsM@netcom.com> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 17:54:36 GMT Seems everyone's having fun putting together PCs. But I dare to raise some questions on my black hardware, now orphaned. Never complained about my Femi monitor before, but the thing was on strike this morning when I turned on my color station. Heard the switch-on noise from either the PS or the tube, but saw only a blank screen. Power on/off the station a few times, SOL. I was VERY upset. 1) Is this a common problem for the Femi? 2) What pins in the 13W3 have the RGB and the GROUND signal? I wondered if the slab was bad. Any regular email help is greatly appreciated, Tanming Fang tfang@netcom.com
From: fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu (JOSEPH E FITZGERALD) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware Subject: More install q's Date: 30 Jun 1993 19:01:34 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Message-ID: <20snue$lc1@nic.umass.edu> Hey everyone...couple more questions for ya... On the ATI GUP VL, does memory aperature have to be on or off...or does it matter? If so, can it be set anywhere (that is anywhere above system memory +2 megs)? I've been trying to test clone machines for the past few weeks and it hasn't been fun. For some reason I can't seem to figure out my ATI GUP and my adaptec 1542 don't seem to get along using NS/FIP. The card works fine in every other OS I've tried (OS2, Win3.1 & NT, Dos, BSD (with X)...). When I put in my other graphics card (hercules graphics station...ti34010, with standard IBM vga graphics controller also) the installation goes fine -- but since the HGSC isn't supported I only get 2 bit color @ 640x480 which is completely useless. I've even tried to install using the hercules and then use configure app to change to ATI --- even got it to almost come up once... Any sugestions appreciated (other than buy standard system :-) ) Joe Fitzgerald fitzy@titan.ucs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next.sysadmin From: gseng@ctp.com (Greg Sengle) Subject: 16->20meg memory upgrade Message-ID: <1993Jun30.173917.29706@ctp.com> Sender: news@ctp.com Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 17:39:17 GMT I have a NeXT station mono 25mhz, rom revision 59 which shipped originally from NeXT as a 16/400 machine. I have just purchased 4x1meg simms to upgrade to 20 megs. Upon power up, the machine fails diagnostics and says something like mixed mode in bank 1. ALL 8 chips are non parity ram, 100ns. I simply put the new four chips in the empty slots, and rebooted. The machine will then boot if i tell it to, but of course it doesnt recognize the memory. I have tried reseating them. Is there some order they need to be in? Any thoughts? I have no reason to believe the chips are bad, as they came from another machine which went from 8 to 20 megs, and worked at that point. Ideas? Thanks! -greg -- /\/\ Gregory R. Sengle / /_ \ Cambridge Technology Partners email: gseng@ctp.com \ / / 304 Vassar Street tel: (617) 374 8509 \/\/ Cambridge, MA 02139 fax: (617) 374-8300
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware From: Bill Roth <roth_bill@tandem.com> Subject: Slab memory prices Message-ID: <C9GB9p.28K@tandem.com> Sender: news@tandem.com Organization: Tandem Computers Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 20:22:34 GMT What is the best price people have seen for Slab 4mb chips? Bill Roth
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