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Date: Sun 16-Sep-1991 19:14:25 From: lee@pipe.cs.wisc.edu (Soo Lee) Subject: Transparencies for Next Printer? I am curious whether anyone use the next printer(straight path type laser printer) to make transparencies. If so, would you tell me your experiences, maker of such transparencies, notable differences from copiers, etc(this is strictly for OHP)? Also I'd like to print thermal toner on the top of the copper clad board after editting circuit diagram. First step will be drawing circuit and produce postscript file. Then I'd like to send it to postscript printer which can print the drawing with special toner on the top of either paper or transparencies. Finally I place the transparency on the top of a copper clad board and apply heat(iron?) so that the pattern could stick on the top of the copper. Then etching it. Now question is whether there is such "toner" as well as "transpaency"? I read some articles some years ago about these type of materials but I lost my memory. Thanks in advance. Soo lee@cs.wisc.edu
Date: Sun 16-Sep-1991 20:11:36 From: bedney@monolith.lanl.gov (William J. Edney) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? In article <1991Sep16.191425.8811@spool.cs.wisc.edu> lee@pipe.cs.wisc.edu (Soo Lee) writes: > I am curious whether anyone use the next printer(straight path type > laser printer) to make transparencies. If so, would you tell me your > experiences, maker of such transparencies, notable differences from > copiers, etc(this is strictly for OHP)? > > Also I'd like to print thermal toner on the top of the copper clad board > after editting circuit diagram. First step will be drawing circuit and > produce postscript file. Then I'd like to send it to postscript printer > which can print the drawing with special toner on the top of either paper > or transparencies. Finally I place the transparency on the top of a copper > clad board and apply heat(iron?) so that the pattern could stick on the top > of the copper. Then etching it. > > Now question is whether there is such "toner" as well as "transpaency"? > I read some articles some years ago about these type of materials > but I lost my memory. > Thanks in advance. > > Soo lee@cs.wisc.edu I have used transparency sheets in my NeXT printer without a problem. I believe that they were made specially for laser printers/copiers. I think they were from 3M.
Date: Sun 16-Sep-1991 22:12:03 From: dayglow@media.mit.edu (Eric Ly) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? In article <1991Sep16.191425.8811@spool.cs.wisc.edu> lee@pipe.cs.wisc.edu (Soo Lee) writes: >I am curious whether anyone use the next printer(straight path type >laser printer) to make transparencies. If so, would you tell me your >experiences, maker of such transparencies, notable differences from >copiers, etc(this is strictly for OHP)? Yes, I've tried this before and it works quite well. The toner tends to rub off if you work at rubbing it off, but I suppose this is what happens if you try photocopying onto transparencies as well. Make sure you get overhead that are designed to go in copying machines/laser printers for best results. I've had excellent results with Kodak transparencies. Eric Ly MIT Media Lab
Date: Sun 17-Sep-1991 18:43:46 From: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? In article <1991Sep16.191425.8811@spool.cs.wisc.edu> lee@pipe.cs.wisc.edu (Soo Lee) writes: > I am curious whether anyone use the next printer(straight path type > laser printer) to make transparencies. If so, would you tell me your > experiences, maker of such transparencies, notable differences from > copiers, etc(this is strictly for OHP)? > According to NeXT (about two weeks ago) you *can't* make transparencies on their current printer. The drums don't have a lower heat setting, and when fusing toner they will do a good job of fusing transparency onto the drum... -drin
Date: Sun 17-Sep-1991 21:38:38 From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? In article <1991Sep17.184346.11017@cs.UAlberta.CA> adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith) writes: >According to NeXT (about two weeks ago) you *can't* make >transparencies on their current printer. The drums don't >have a lower heat setting, and when fusing toner they will >do a good job of fusing transparency onto the drum... Highly suspect information. My colleague down the hall has a NeXT printer on his cube, teaches a bunch of courses, makes *all* his transparencies in that printer, has never had the least problem doing this, and scoffs loudly at my question prompted by this post. For stock he uses 3M Highland brand transparency film, type 902. Now it is true that if you put the wrong stuff through your (or any other, I think) laser printer, it will melt and cost you more than one dinar to fix. <> Good art is not what it looks like, but what it does to <> us. -- Roy Adzak, quoted in "Contemporary Artists," 1977
Date: Sun 17-Sep-1991 22:10:34 From: jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? In article <1991Sep17.184346.11017@cs.UAlberta.CA> adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith) writes: >In article <1991Sep16.191425.8811@spool.cs.wisc.edu> lee@pipe.cs.wisc.edu (Soo >Lee) writes: >> I am curious whether anyone use the next printer(straight path type >> laser printer) to make transparencies. If so, would you tell me your >> experiences, maker of such transparencies, notable differences from >> copiers, etc(this is strictly for OHP)? >> > >According to NeXT (about two weeks ago) you *can't* make transparencies on >their current printer. The drums don't have a lower heat setting, and when >fusing toner they will do a good job of fusing transparency onto the drum... > >-drin That is interesting, because I make transparencies all the time on my Next lazer printer. All you need is transparency film designed to be used on lazer printers. Several comapnies make it. Currenty, I am using Arkwright Data/View transparency film. Each sheet comes backed with a tissue paper that feeds with the transparency, and gets peeled off after running through the printer. The films look much sharper, darker, and clearer than running transparencies throough a photocopier. If you work at it, you can scratch the surface off- but you can do that with photo copied transparencies as well.
Date: Sun 18-Sep-1991 02:55:41 From: judd@sunspot.nosc.mil (Randy Judd) Subject: Transparencies for Next Printer? >In article <1991Sep16.191425.8811@spool.cs.wisc.edu> lee@pipe.cs.wisc.edu (Soo > >Lee) writes: >> I am curious whether anyone use the next printer(straight path type >> laser printer) to make transparencies. If so, would you tell me your >> experiences, maker of such transparencies, notable differences from >> copiers, etc(this is strictly for OHP)? >> > >According to NeXT (about two weeks ago) you *can't* make transparencies >on their current printer. The drums don't have a lower heat setting, and >when fusing toner they will do a good job of fusing transparency onto >the drum... > >-drin Last year I bought a package of "Laser Transparencies - overheads for desktop laser printers" by AVERY (#5182) "Compatible with HP, Apple, and other popular Laser Printers", and used them with my NeXT printer with no problems. I bought them at the University of Washington book store; a package of 50 for 25 dollars. I suggest you go to a good business supply store and browse around. There are a lot of different kinds of transparencies, and not all of them are suitable for every use. If you use the wrong kind you probably could damage your printer. The NeXT printer makes very nice transparencies. Randy Judd Naval Ocean Sytems Center San Diego judd@nosc.mil
Date: Sun 19-Sep-1991 18:41:27 From: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? In article <1991Sep17.213838.18276@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: > Highly suspect information. My colleague down the hall has > a NeXT printer on his cube, teaches a bunch of courses, > makes *all* his transparencies in that printer, has never > had the least problem doing this, and scoffs loudly at my > question prompted by this post. For stock he uses 3M > Highland brand transparency film, type 902. > > Now it is true that if you put the wrong stuff through your > (or any other, I think) laser printer, it will melt and cost > you more than one dinar to fix. > Another example of NeXT not knowing *exactly* what they were saying when I asked them...I even had to hold while someone else was consulted!! -drin
Date: Sun 19-Sep-1991 22:01:10 From: mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu (Don McGregor) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? Adrian Smith writes [stuff about transparencies in NeXT printers] > > Another example of NeXT not knowing *exactly* what they were saying when I >asked them...I even had to hold while someone else was consulted!! > They have to be careful on something like this, because some idiot is sure to put the wrong stuff through the printer and then blame NeXT for the mess. They're just being conservative. I've always gotten extremely good phone service from NeXT. The people seem knowlegable and friendly, but they can't know everything. There's an astounding amount of information you need to master to be good at phone service for something like a workstation, and the NeXT people are good. Even when I call them when I'm in a foul mood I usually feel better when I get off. I think it has something to do with their lack of elevator music when you're put on hold, and the lack of background noise when they answer. They have good voice inflection too. Probably a Steve touch.
Date: Sun 19-Sep-1991 04:51:46 From: dcarpent@sjuphil.uucp (D. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? I make transparencies fairly often using the NeXT printer and have had good results. I use 3M Transparency Film, CG 3300, and have had no problems.
Date: Sun 20-Sep-1991 03:06:57 From: pfkeb@kaon.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Paul Kunz) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? I've used transparency film in my NeXT laser printer for over two years. I've always used film from boxes labeled "for photocopiers and laser printers" or at least "for photocopiers" from a variety of brands with no ill effects. Personally, I like the 3M film because there is no static cling after printing. At least one other brand exhibits a static cling for a very long time after printing.
Date: Sun 19-Sep-1991 22:11:13 From: matthews@lewhoosh.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? In article <1991Sep19.184127.7107@cs.UAlberta.CA> adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith) writes: > Another example of NeXT not knowing *exactly* what they were saying when I >asked them...I even had to hold while someone else was consulted!! Or it could be an example of them playing it safe. and now the printer is ruined! I want my money back" Whether or not NeXT did is irrevelent. You've just got one very upset customer who might have made a mistake, but will blame NeXT anyway. >-drin Mike
Date: Sun 20-Sep-1991 04:29:21 From: dcarpent@sjuphil.uucp (D. Carpenter) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? In article <1991Sep17.184346.11017@cs.UAlberta.CA> adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith) writes: >In article <1991Sep16.191425.8811@spool.cs.wisc.edu> lee@pipe.cs.wisc.edu (Soo >Lee) writes: >> I am curious whether anyone use the next printer(straight path type >> laser printer) to make transparencies. If so, would you tell me your >> experiences, maker of such transparencies, notable differences from >> copiers, etc(this is strictly for OHP)? >> > >According to NeXT (about two weeks ago) you *can't* make transparencies on >their current printer. The drums don't have a lower heat setting, and when >fusing toner they will do a good job of fusing transparency onto the drum... > >-drin Has this actually happened to someone? I've been making transparencies for about year using a NeXT printer and have had no problem. The transparencies are of excellent quality, nor have I noced any negative effects on the printer. David
Date: Sun 23-Sep-1991 01:41:05 From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) Subject: Re: Transparencies for Next Printer? <1991Sep17.184346.11017@cs.UAlberta.CA> <1991Sep20.042921.20975@sjuphil.uucp> Yes, I have had a transparency melt down on me once (a non-laser-certified acetate foil got mixed up among good sheets). It was not on the NeXT printer, but on an HP LaserJetIIP. It took me about 30 minutes and many sheets of cleaning paper to remove the gunk from the drum, and since then I am VERY careful about sheets. On the NeXT engine things can be worse, since the printer does not "make" cleaning paper. And yes, the toner does rub off easily from transparencies, so treat them gingerly! Greetings, Hardy -------****------- Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy); Department of Physics, University of California Irvine CA 92717; (714) 856 5543; hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET
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