From news Sun Jun 18 10:32:21 91 
From: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Gerhard Moeller)
Subject: eiffel for the NeXT

Hi.
Does anyone know if there are efforts made to implement the 'eiffel' -
Programming language on the NeXT? In my opinion this should be done, as
the NeXT is a modern, objective-orientatet system, and as such crying
for a modern, objective orientated programming system. 
And I also think that many NeXT users as well as programmers are sick of
those pseudo OO-language hybrids C++ and O-C. (Even though there is
hardly an alternative to it, as it's still Unix we're dealing with...)

			Gerhard.


From news Sun Jun 18 16:17:38 91 
From: osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn)
Subject: Re: eiffel for the NeXT

In article <5900@uniol.UUCP> Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Gerhard Moeller) writes:
>Hi.
>Programming language on the NeXT? In my opinion this should be done, as
>the NeXT is a modern, objective-orientatet system, and as such crying

Eiffel for the NeXT is currently (or soon will be) in beta testing.
(But don't ask me any questions about it.  I just happen to work with a guy
that publishes an Eiffel newsletter.)

-
-John H. Osborn
-osborn@cs.utexas.edu


From news Sun Jun 18 21:07:32 91 
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer)
Subject: Re: eiffel for the NeXT

>>>>> On 18 Jun 91 10:32:21 GMT,
>>>>> Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Gerhard Moeller) said:

Gerhard> Does anyone know if there are efforts made to implement the
Gerhard> 'eiffel' - Programming language on the NeXT? 

You might like to take a look at the Sather programming language
available icsi-ftp.berkeley.edu (or gmdzi.gmd.de). Sather is a OOPL
heavily influenced by Eifel (Sather is the name of a tower in the
Berkeley area). Sather is available free of charge and comes with
compiler, library, a GNU Emacs-based environment, and more.

The Sather compiler generates C code so the system should be easy to
port. It currently works with Sun-4 workstations.

The Sather system is currently at a quite early stage in it's
development, but is mature enough that the compiler can compile
itself (ie. the Sather compiler is written in Sather).

The language seems more intended for real programmers and less for
language designers than Eiffel, and he price sure is right.

Gerhard> And I also think that many NeXT users as well as programmers
Gerhard> are sick of those pseudo OO-language hybrids C++ and O-C.

Oh, no. Please, no my-language-is-more-OO-than-yours wars.

Gerhard> (Even though there is hardly an alternative to it, as it's
Gerhard> still Unix we're dealing with...)

I see a great variety of OOPL's available for UNIX, possibly more than
for any other platform.

Gerhard> +-----------------------> the medium is the message <-------------

Lot's of programming language designers would agree with you. Both
languages and programmers suffer (:-).

/Lars
From news Sun Jun 19 12:42:08 91 
From: Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Gerhard Moeller)
Subject: Re: eiffel for the NeXT

osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:

>In article <5900@uniol.UUCP> Gerhard.Moeller@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Gerhard Moeller) writes:
>>Hi.
>>Programming language on the NeXT? In my opinion this should be done, as
>>the NeXT is a modern, objective-orientatet system, and as such crying

>Eiffel for the NeXT is currently (or soon will be) in beta testing.
>(But don't ask me any questions about it.  I just happen to work with a guy
>that publishes an Eiffel newsletter.)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!