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Date: Sun 06-Oct-1989 17:55:45 From: Unknown Subject: Frame (1.0) spaces When using Frame 1.0 (from NeXT release 1.0), can you not type two consecutive spaces when typing text. When I'm typing text, tabs don't work and after the first space character, pressing the space bar has no effect. I realize that Frame 1.0 is a beta (or alpha?) demo, but this makes it unusable... comments... >From: jans@tekgvs.LABS.TEK.COM (Jan Steinman)
Date: Sun 12-Oct-1989 20:33:58 From: Unknown Subject: Re: Frame (1.0) spaces <When using Frame 1.0 (from NeXT release 1.0), can you not type two consecutive spaces when typing text. When I'm typing text, tabs don't work and after the first space character, pressing the space bar has no effect.> If it is similar to Frame on Tek workstations, you must set up your tabs the way you want them in order to fix the amount of space between columns or whatever. When you think of it, what are the semantics of multiple spaces in a WYSIWYG doc-prep system? Depending on justification, alignment, kerning, hyphenation threshold, page keeps, et. al., there can be any amount of space between words! IMHO, they got it right -- only allow explicitly declared whitespace, and disallow archaic reliance on "space" as some kind of "character", which it really isn't. The semantics of the space bar in WYSIWYG doc-prep should be "begin a new word". If you actually need to place more than one consecutive ASCII space character in a file, Frame is probably an inappropriate tool. Jan Steinman - N7JDB Electronic Systems Laboratory Box 500, MS 50-370, Beaverton, OR 97077 (w)503/627-5881 (h)503/657-7703 >From: yyang@frame.com (Yeong Yang)
Date: Sun 12-Oct-1989 22:39:06 From: Unknown Subject: Re: Frame (1.0) spaces >When using Frame 1.0 (from NeXT release 1.0), can you not type two consecutive >spaces when typing text. You have the "smart spaces" option turned on in the Format-Document dialog. >When I'm typing text, tabs don't work and after the >first space character, pressing the space bar has no effect. You have to set the tab stops for your paragraph format. You can set the tab stops by using the format-paragraph dialog or by simply dragging a tab stop off the text ruler. > I realize that >Frame 1.0 is a beta (or alpha?) demo, but this makes it unusable... >comments... The FrameMaker app in 1.0 release is a very decent beta demo copy and has many powerful features. Though one minor (:-)) feature -- saving will be disabled on Oct 17, 1989. The actual FrameMaker product will be on sale at BusinessLand by then. Yeong C. Yang >From: david@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV (David E. Smyth)
Date: Sun 16-Oct-1989 19:34:00 From: Unknown Subject: Re: Frame (1.0) spaces In article <679@wet.UUCP> epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) writes: >In article <3592@frame.UUCP> yyang@frame.com (Yeong Yang) writes: >>The FrameMaker app in 1.0 release is a very decent beta demo copy and has >>many powerful features. Though one minor (:-)) feature -- saving will be >>disabled on Oct 17, 1989. > >Too bad. The chances we'll have 1.0 available for general use >before then are about zero. Without a full demo, we'll be less >inclined to get addicted to it, and thus less likely to >site-license it Actually, I had access to a crippled demo (freely redistributable, natch) of FrameMaker, and got addicted to it very nicely, thank you. Of course, it wasn't useful for large documents or ongoing projects, but for a one-day project like a letter, poster, flyer or short newsletter, it worked just fine. Not only is printing still available, but you can print to a PostScript file and therefore have an online archive of your final version. After that, though, you can make only minor changes such as spelling corrections (by hacking the PostScript file), so a real save feature comes in real handy. The crippled demo is subtlely seductive ("it's free -- why not get what use of it you can"). In the end, my manager started using it, got hooked, got frustrated with the limited online storage facilities of `Print to File' and so bought a license. Note that I'm not taking exception to your assertion that the full-featured version is superior to the crippled one, just to the other one that you won't be able to generate addiction to FrameMaker without a full save feature. And, of course, I wouldn't be saying any of this if I had any relationship to Frame Corporation other than as a user. I don't.
Date: Sun 17-Oct-1989 08:42:25 From: Unknown Subject: Re: Frame (1.0) spaces In article <679@wet.UUCP> epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott) writes: >In article <3592@frame.UUCP> yyang@frame.com (Yeong Yang) writes: >>The FrameMaker app in 1.0 release is a very decent beta demo copy and has many >>powerful features. Though one minor (:-)) feature -- saving will be >>disabled on Oct 17, 1989. > >Too bad. The chances we'll have 1.0 available for general use >before then are about zero. Without a full demo, we'll be less >inclined to get addicted to it, and thus less likely to >site-license it for our organization of 35,000 people... ... (more stuff to make to make company sales reps cry) I don't know what organization that is but if it is really of that magnitude and really needs publishing software, I am SURE that Frame would be happy to grant you a temporary license and provide instruction and support- just give them a call. They didn't get where they are today by sealing their product in a box and selling it to Egghead. They live by corporate accounts, and I know they would be accomodating. They would be silly not to give you what you want, and you'd be silly not to ask. They're even right here in the bay area. I have no association with Frame, but thanks to their demo I've had a chance to try out their neat product. Jonathan Dubman >From: glc@frame.UUCP (Greg Cockroft)
Date: Sun 19-Oct-1989 19:22:17 From: Unknown Subject: Re: Frame (1.0) spaces >>and really needs publishing software, I am SURE that Frame would be happy to >>grant you a temporary license >How about a special earthquake extension? > >> They're even right here in the bay area. >Then they're probably not answering their phones either. The phones weren't being answered, but shipping was in operation, so the first copies of the NeXT FrameMaker release 2.0 shipped yesterday. You will also notice the demo version on the 1.0 disk is still working past the 17th. It won't really disable until the 23rd. The NeXT machines must have some type of power surge shutdown. The sun on my desk didn't stop, but all the NeXT machines in the building shutdown when the quake hit. -greg. >From: chavez@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (R. Martin Chavez)
Date: Sun 19-Oct-1989 07:17:40 From: Unknown Subject: Re: Frame (1.0) spaces For what it's worth: I got addicted to Frame, I love it, and couldn't live without it. I called Frame, found Kelly Mattson (408.954.3974), and sent her a $500 check for my educational license. She was incredibly helpful; she gave me an authorization/serial number to keep my current copy of Frame active, and even planned to deliver the new 2.0 copy on optical disk to my house in San Francisco yesterday. The earthquake changed all that, of course, but I still can't complain a bit about Frame's quality product, and the company's flexibility in a pinch really deserves my commendation. Regards, R. Martin Chavez Stanford University School of Medicine >From: epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott)
Date: Sun 21-Oct-1989 01:16:45 From: Unknown Subject: Re: Frame (1.0) spaces In article <5259@lindy.Stanford.EDU> chavez@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (R. Martin Chavez) writes: >For what it's worth: I got addicted to Frame, I love it, and couldn't >live without it. I called Frame, found Kelly Mattson (408.954.3974), >and sent her a $500 check for my educational license. Is this right? Only $500 for the educational price? If thiss is correct, then where do I send my money? I had thought that the price would be about double this. I'm an the faculty of a university and own a NeXT, which I bought at the educational price, so I assume (rightly?) that I would be entitled to the educational price for Framemaker. Can anyone confirm this price, and provide details on how to obtain 2.0? Another question. I heard some time back that Frame intended to support SGML in a future release of Framemaker. Could anyone supply details on this?
Date: Sun 21-Oct-1989 06:19:33 From: Unknown Subject: Re: Frame (1.0) spaces In article <1989Oct21.011645.1787@sjuphil.uucp> dcarpent@sjuphil.UUCP (D. Carpenter) writes: >>For what it's worth: I got addicted to Frame, I love it, and couldn't >>live without it. I called Frame, found Kelly Mattson (408.954.3974), >>and sent her a $500 check for my educational license. > >Is this right? Only $500 for the educational price? If thiss is >correct, then where do I send my money? I had thought that the >price would be about double this. I'm an the faculty of a university >and own a NeXT, which I bought at the educational price, so I assume >(rightly?) that I would be entitled to the educational price for >Framemaker. Can anyone confirm this price, and provide details on >how to obtain 2.0? It turns out that I'm the very first person to take delivery on FrameMaker 2.0. As I suggested, you simply need to call Kelly Mattson at 408.954.3974, and send your check for $500 to: Frame Technology Corporation attn: Kelly Mattson 1010 Rincon Circle San Jose, California 95131-1325 The price includes the optical disk, which comes packed with all sorts of special treats. The 2.0 release has several improvements over the demo version (including on-line help and a much snazzier equation editor). FrameMaker is a sophisticated, elegant, and robust product; I recommend it very highly, and consider the $500 educational price to be a real bargain. R. Martin Chavez Stanford University School of Medicine >From: epsilon@wet.UUCP (Eric P. Scott)
Date: Sun 23-Oct-1989 01:58:00 From: Unknown Subject: Re: Frame (1.0) spaces In article <3597@frame.UUCP> glc@frame.com (Greg Cockroft) writes: >You will also notice the demo version on the 1.0 disk is still working past >the 17th. It won't really disable until the 23rd. When students are finally let back on campus... :-( Other than "losing" the Library and a 700-student residence hall, things should be back to normal on the 23rd. Only one cube (that I know of) was trapped in the Library; that floor is rumored to have suffered minor structural damage. Unfortunately the floor above was undergoing asbestos removal (oops), so the upper five floors won't be accessible for a while... We plan to have 1.0 up in November, since the people that are to install the prerequisite ROMs will be very busy doing "important" things in the aftermath. Right now, FrameMaker is the least of our worries. -=EPS=- / SFSU >From: mjmcallister@crocus.waterloo.edu (Michael McAllister)
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